User talk:StevenG
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Tubman and Truth not American?
They were both born in the United States. How are they not American? BrentH 20:04, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- Slaves were not citizens. They were slaves born before the 14th amendment was ratified --StevenG 20:08, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- And? IF your going to argue that disqualifies them, be prepared to be called a racist for doing so. Oh and the founding fathers were British subjects before the revolution, and were only made American citizens when the constitution got made. By your logic, they must not be Americans either--SeanS 20:10, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- Yeah, wow; I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole. Have it your way. God bless, and enjoy the rest of the day. BrentH 20:12, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- @SeanS, you're incorrect because everyone except Indians and slaves were granted citizenship when the constitution was adopted. The 14th amendment granted citizenship to everyone born on American soil after it was ratified. Unfortunately, this excludes the individuals in question. --StevenG 20:17, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- And by virtually everybody who is asked, they would say "Yes, those people are americans". Want to know why? Because you don't have to be a citizen of the country to be "American". --SeanS 20:19, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- "Virtually everyone" can say anything they like. It doesn't make it true. --StevenG 20:24, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- Nor does what you say make it true either. Theres a reason they would be called americans despite being born slaves, and it isn't because of Liberals or anything like that. --SeanS 20:26, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- The slaves were "grandfathered" in when the 14th Amendment was ratified; but despite that, everyone who was a slave - from Nat Turner to Frederick Douglass to Harriet Tubman to everyone else - is an American citizen, and will be treated that way on this website. Karajou 20:29, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- Nor does what you say make it true either. Theres a reason they would be called americans despite being born slaves, and it isn't because of Liberals or anything like that. --SeanS 20:26, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- "Virtually everyone" can say anything they like. It doesn't make it true. --StevenG 20:24, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- And by virtually everybody who is asked, they would say "Yes, those people are americans". Want to know why? Because you don't have to be a citizen of the country to be "American". --SeanS 20:19, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- @SeanS, you're incorrect because everyone except Indians and slaves were granted citizenship when the constitution was adopted. The 14th amendment granted citizenship to everyone born on American soil after it was ratified. Unfortunately, this excludes the individuals in question. --StevenG 20:17, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- Yeah, wow; I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole. Have it your way. God bless, and enjoy the rest of the day. BrentH 20:12, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
- And? IF your going to argue that disqualifies them, be prepared to be called a racist for doing so. Oh and the founding fathers were British subjects before the revolution, and were only made American citizens when the constitution got made. By your logic, they must not be Americans either--SeanS 20:10, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
