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Cato

I wonder whether you'd be interested in creating a page on Cato? He's quite an important figure in the Divine Comedy, which is why I'm personally keen to have an entry for him, but I don't know much about him as a historical figure, whereas you seem to have some expertise in ancient history.--CPalmer 08:01, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Also, nobody seems to have welcomed you yet, so welcome to Conservapedia!

Thanks for the welcome, but which Cato was it? Cato the younder, or Cato the Younger as they were both very important historically in different ways.

I'm afraid I'm not sure. I do know that the one I'm talking about committed suicide, if that narrows it down.--CPalmer 11:04, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

That would definitely be Cato the Younger who killed himself after the defeat of his forces by Caesar during Caesar's removal of opposition to his rule.

That certainly rings a bell. I expect articles on both Catos would be beneficial here (though there is much else to do as well, of course).--CPalmer 11:11, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

I'll see when I can fit it in. So far my abiliy to access my research notes is limited, so my entries are not up to snuff for me.

Muslims

You just want to discount Obama ties to Muslims. You keep posting arguements that he is not and I am unconvinced. I post arguments that are reasonable and you discount it all. Does that make you right and me wrong or the opposite? You can't convince me and vice-versa. 90% of Muslims voted for Obama. I can see your response already, it's because they liked him not because he was Muslim. --Jpatt 12:35, 12 November 2008 (EST)

If they knew he were a muslim you can be sure there'd be alot more of them saying so. Particularly after the election. Have you considered that they might of voted for Obama because Palin was way too right wing Christian for them? EternalCritic 12:38, 12 November 2008 (EST)

In any case, he's not hostile toward Muslims, as are some Christian leaders. You know the type: they go around saying, "Jesus is not Allah", as if this invalidates all of Islam. I'd rather have Islam than communism. --Ed Poor ^Talk 12:44, 12 November 2008 (EST)

I'm not arguing that he's hostile towards muslims at all. I simply find the argument that he is one on the far side of reality. EternalCritic 12:49, 12 November 2008 (EST)

This is taken off the NOI website and should demonstrate some key differences between mainstream Islam. Its kind of like the difference between mainstream christianity and, say, Mormonism. Key to look at is that (point 12) they believe their founder was God incarnate, much like Jesus. Mainstream Islam does not believe that at all, and likely never would.

1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Qur'an and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah's Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead--not in physical resurrection--but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God's choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more that the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take place as God revealed, in America...

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master's slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people's names--the black people of the Earth.

8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in equality--as a nation--of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of "freed slaves."

We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their "friends." Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.

If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims, should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.

11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited "Messiah" of the Christians and the "Mahdi" of the Muslims.

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together.

Well, as a member of the Unification Church I find several points of resonance here. I like #11 (respect and protect women); this differs from the Arab variant of Islam, by the way.

I like part of #9 (must prove your friendship). I believe in the resurrection of the dead - but not the way #5 means it. Rather it is we the living who must do good deeds to indemnify the sins of our ancestors.

There is one God - which is nice because I don't accept the traditional Trinity.

But the separatism thing isn't going to work. We're just going to have to learn how to get along with other religions and ethnic groups. --Ed Poor ^Talk 13:14, 12 November 2008 (EST)

I'm just trying to show that they're fringe and not considered really Muslim. Some of their ideas -are- good. But they're surrounded by some very extremist ideas. EternalCritic 13:17, 12 November 2008 (EST)