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1 Dems push UFOs
2 Is Biden the new Jimmy Carter?
3 Blockbuster expose of Fauci
4 Here's the battleground
5 Can this be added?
6 Manchin says "no" to fraud-friendly voter law
7 China versus Greta Thunberg
8 Kamala's 'root causes'
9 Why did Rosenstein spy on McGahn?
10 Covid shuttered 40 percent of U.S. small businesses
11 Why don't we feature articles on Mainpageleft more often?
12 Texit primary strategy
13 Jon Stewart does a lab leak riff
- 13.1 Another illustration
14 There is no "Biden junta"
15 Capitol raided by FBI informants?
16 We need to talk about the elephant in the room
17 Strange Behavior of this Wiki
18 An observation about the developed countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. Let's look at Finland.
19 Hands up, don't nuke
20 Bet on gold all the way
21 Another "four Pinocchios" for senile Joe!
22 The "Longer Telegram"
23 What is with the administrative state?
24 Add To In The News
25 Bill Cosby
26 Macron
27 The woke U.S. Navy
28 New York prosecutors indict Trump CFO
29 MPR -- "Pro-Constitution" Group Stopped in MA
30 Greg Abbott vs. Allen West
31 Environmentalists go to bat for China
32 APS
33 Haiti and Taiwan
34 Question About Cuba
35 Vaccine police
36 Trump wins CPAC straw poll
37 Beware, those who worship false idols...
38 Who shot Ashli Babbitt?
39 Psaki
40 A big red wave is rolling towards the 2022 midterm elections in the USA
41 Spelling error needs correcting on main page
42 Breaking
43 The great seed panic of 2020
44 YouTube bans Carlson for exposing voter fraud
45 COVID-19 and Fort Detrick
46 Joe Biden failed: Canada's vaccination rate overtakes the USA
47 "routine doctor’s appointment"
48 First January 6th sentence
49 These really are some sick people
- 49.1 Understanding the mindset
50 2020 polls were the least accurate in 40 years
51 Preserving the relics of Jim Crow
52 You really don't check, do you?
53 Zhengzhou flooding
54 Leftist British Press
55 Kamala Harris and the 25th Amendment
56 Political partisans, news information bubbles, confirmation bias and the coronavirus pandemic.
57 God emperor Trump: Chosen by heaven
58 Italian "scientist" is actually a model, actress and television personality
59 The 2024 election page is up
60 The most devastating video on the Internet
61 Russian collusion
62 I got my vaccine
63 DOJ agrees to release Trump's taxes
64 Paul Roberts Denialism
- 64.1 Irving
- 64.2 Irving, part 2
- 64.3 Global elites
65 Ascent of the RINOs
66 CDC extends eviction moratorium, overrides Supreme Court
67 Sarah Palin for Senate?
68 Bruce Poliquin is running for his old seat
69 "Setback for liberal hypocrisy"
70 Obama's 60th whacked by covid hysteria
71 Russia returns to Afghanistan
72 No covid in mask-free Sweden
73 Governor Andrew Cuomo resigns
74 Ted Cruz saves the day
75 Biden's Afghanistan speech
76 Eight days from superpower to punchline
77 What was Biden thinking?
- 77.1 In defense of China
78 Soros flips
79 Worst president ever
80 Leftists attack Larry Elder with Jim Crow antics

Dems push UFOs

In the last few days, Harry Reid, Obama, and the Biden administration have launched an offensive to push UFOs back into the American mainstream. See "The Conventional Wisdom on UFOs is Shifting." The observations are the same old, same old. Military pilot sees mysterious light zipping around. We're stuck in the 1960s with Project Blue Book and the Condon Report. Those aliens just don't quit, do they? I say shoot them down with a Sidewinder already. If Obama believed any of this nonsense, why didn't he do something about it when he was president? It sure sounds like he's having a ball at our expense nowadays.

When Russia hoax was discredited, The New York Times had a staff vote on what story/hoax to push next. The result was the 1619 project. When there is nothing good to point to in terms of economics, crime, or foreign policy, you can always push UFOs.

Why can't we get the good part of the 1960s back, you know, the mini-skirts and the great music? But no, apparently what the Dems miss are the race riots, the gas lines, and the UFOs. PeterKa (talk) 06:05, May 30, 2021 (EDT

They're Chinese surveillance drones and American counter-drones. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:34, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

Of course it doesn't take much to convert a surveillance drone with a precision-guided weapon to knock out a web hosting facility, for example and destroy internal communications. You don't have to ban the president from Twitter.. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:36, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

RT: Autonomous drones may have ‘hunted down’ and attacked troops in Libya without human control – UN report. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:54, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

None of the videos are recent. There is one from 2004 and another from 2007. Here is a good debunking: "Those amazing Navy UFO videos may have down-to-earth explanations, skeptics contend: The truth may be out there ... or right here at home, in the form of camera quirks and other less sexy phenomenon." Money quote: “There’s nothing new here, it’s the same grainy videos we’re used to seeing,” said Michael Shermer, the founding publisher of Skeptic magazine." PeterKa (talk) 20:37, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

Dr. Ross's findings: "In 1969, however, Dr. Ross met two astronomers who were having regular UFO encounters. Both also happened to be involved in occult activity. Upon investigation, Dr. Ross consistently found a connection between occult involvement and residual UFO encounters. For example, he said, countries with a high degree of occult activity such as Russia during the Soviet era, France, and certain parts of Brazil also had high percentages of UFO encounters. During Russia's Soviet period when every expression of religion except occult activity had been outlawed, he said, “Russians were seeing UFOs at five to eight times the rate Americans were." (see: UFO).Conservative (talk) 09:36, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

(a) Why would it be surprising that Russian's spotted drones and other aircraft 5 to 8 times the rate more than Americans, both before the 1959 U-2 incident and after? (b) What are Dr. Ross's sources? Soviet media? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:06, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

UFOs began with the 1947 Roswell crash. The simple truth is that, the Roswell crash was a specially fitted weather balloon with a Geiger counter over the Trinity Test Site, the sight of the first nuclear explosion. The govt. never imagined radioactive atmospheric contamination when they performed the test in July 1945, and the public had high confidence in nuclear weapons at the time. So the harmful side effects from testing, such as atmospheric and downwind atmospheric contamination were highly top secret so as not to alarm the public. Hence the UFO myth, promoted by the Air Force, was born. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 09:47, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

If the public were to figure out that nuclear particles lingered in the atmosphere, floated downwind, returned to earth as rainfall, watered the grass that cows eat and was passed to children in cows milk, public pressure would kill further research. It was another 15 years before the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty of 1962 banning atmospheric testing was signed when researchers finally understood the damage atmospheric testing does. In that interim the public swallowed the cover story about UFOs hook, line, and sinker. Since the public and media is so gullible, willingly consuming b.s. and building their own myths on, UFOs were used for cover for all other sorts of military aircraft and drone testing. Psyop is fine art used by all modern powers (even against their own populations), Trump-Russia and the Batstew flu being only two of the most recent. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 09:59, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

You, Conservative, for instance, accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist for suspecting certain troll sockpuppets, yet nonetheless have not corrected your falling for the CCP propaganda about eating bats in certain articles and essays that you picked up from mainstream media. Likewise, Karajou fell for the CCP propaganda in the original coronavirus article, as well. What's the lesson? Even alleged conservatives in 2020-21 are highly gullible when it comes to reading mainstream media. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:05, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

Here's one more example: above I cited the fact that all NASA technology was developed for a military purpose, with cover stories now about measuring global warming, etc. Satellite reconnaissance was developed to replace the U-2, after the vulnerability was exposed in the 1959 U-2 incident. All the history books will tell you the U-2 was equipped with photographic equipment; few will you tell you it was also equipped with Geiger counters (like the "Roswell Spaceship") to measure atmospheric contamination which likewise would aid in pinpointing when a nuclear tests occured to aid in understanding how advanced the USSR's nuclear program was. Now, satellite technology was not developed for radio, television, and internet communication. Those are consumer spinoffs. it was developed for one purpose only, a military purpose. Likewise UFOs were never anything more than a cover story, which the govt. can't come clean on now cause it has to protect the institutional reputation of the Air Force and maintain public confidence in it. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:27, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

One more afterthought: Then we have the "life on other planets" spinoff, an outgrowth of public misperceptions about UFOs, which aids in justifying more funding for NASA. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:03, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

It is still unknown what caused the coronavirus pandemic. The lab theory has increased its plausibility though.

The Chinese had lots of Chinese travel throughout the world, but closed down travel internally. So ultimately, the Chinese bear a lot of blame.

In addition, if some Chinese people's exotic food taste caused the pandemic (wild animals at markets), the Chinese are still to blame because they should have shut the wild animals at markets down after SARS.

So anyway you slice it, the Chinese bear a lot of responsibility for the pandemic. Conservative (talk) 10:38, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

It's a synthetic virus, and a synthetic vaccine. All the old rules guided by our experience with nature are tossed out. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:54, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

"All inferences from historical evidence are probabilistic." - David Hackett Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper Collins, 1970).

I don't need to be a know-it-all. I can live with uncertainty. And I can live without ever knowing what precisely caused the pandemic. Given the secretiveness/untrustworthiness of atheistic, Chinese communists, we will probably never know anytime soon exactly how the pandemic started. Conservative (talk) 11:12, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

We know it came from China. We know it's man-made. 2+2=4. None of this is a revelation in May 2021 (only the veil of censorship was lifted). All of it was available in open source reporting, which I have documented in Conservapedia since March 2020. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:37, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

Lynn Cato, senior bibliographer for the library of Congress, created an entry on UFO bibliography for the United States Air Force Office of Scientific Research. After a two-year investigation, in which she reviewed thousands of documents, Cato stated: "A large part of the available UFO literature...deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities...poltergeist manifestations and 'possession'....Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomenon which have long been known to theologians and parapsychologists." (SCP Journal Aug 1977)[2]

I almost feel sorry for atheists/agnostics who have no reasonable explanation for UFOs. Reasonable and informed Christians can easily say UFOs are demonic. This is yet another example of how infinitely superior and sublime the Christian worldview is!

On behalf of all Christendom, I once again declare victory!Conservative (talk) 12:19, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

Now you're going off the deep end with crazy stuff. UFO's originated at Roswell to cover up what was known about atmospheric fallout from a nuclear blast. Period. Period. What more crazy stuff do want to add? MPR should be reserved for News headlines, not essays on irrelevant topics. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:45, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

NYT retracted it's UFO story in 1994, only 47 years after it gave birth to it. That is progress. But what use is filling up MPR with Essays and not headlines in 2021 when there certainly is more pressing news, such as the CCP reporting the first case of Bird Flu (coincidentally days after Americans realize we under bio-attack) transmitted to humans. Bird flu only has 100% mortality rate in birds, so there's nothing to worry about, I suppose. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:53, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

And wow, that's certainly a credible source, the United States Airforce, the guys who invented the UFO hoax as a cover story for atmospheric monitoring for nuclear particles at a time when the public viewed nuclear bombs in a positive light and the hope to maintain world peace. Yes, it certainly is a credible source for this statement, "mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities...poltergeist manifestations and 'possession'....Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press [et seqq]....". Yes, it's a testament to how gullible the "popular press" is for psyops and propaganda. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:21, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

You forgot to mention the leaked emails made by Fauci that if anything proved beyond a doubt that he was a charlatan and a fraud. Pokeria1 (talk) 06:28, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

Why are we pushing the MSM anyways? Right above that essay, it says "News the MSM isn't telling you", then the first article or essay cites the LA Times garbage on govt. manufactured conspiracy theories debunked decades ago. I mean, what is the point? CP and its editors rely on MSM to educate themselves? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:00, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

Unexplained UFOs that seem extraterrestial have been seen outside of Roswell. For example, Possible UFOs seen swarming US Navy ship.

Demons are in the Bible. The Bible says that the devil can appear to be something he is not. Namely, the Bible says "Satan disguises himself as an angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14).

So given the evidence and given what the Bible says, one can reasonably infer that UFOs certainly could be demonic. It is a reasonable inference. Conservative (talk) 15:03, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

Exhibit B: Why are the demons more interested in a Navy ship than the Russians or Soviets? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:36, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

There is no such thing as an unexplained UFO. It's a drone, aircraft, or cruise missile test. It could be American or foreign. You watch too much Hollywood and read too much MSM. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:08, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - William Shakespeare, Hamlet Conservative (talk) 15:14, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

I saw one fly over the University of New Mexico at a subsonic rate of speed (morethan 500 mph) and very low altitude (500 ft) burning like green phosphorus. The explanation is quite simple: an F-14 fighter pilot doing night training from Kirtland Airbase accidentally fired a dummy bomb over the city. I'm sure he washed out of the program. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:21, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

From History.com: Mysterious UFOs Seen by WWII Airman Still Unexplained. They were cigar-shaped, glowed red and could turn on a dime. Which ruled out even the most sophisticated rockets of the time. Conservative (talk) 22:24, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

We’re all alone: Oxford study says chance of intelligent life elsewhere very low

UFOs are not run by little green men - UFOs are demons. Conservative (talk)

I'll be blunt, I'm extremely doubtful a God who created the entire universe would leave literally only a single planet teeming with life. Seems like a waste, especially for a God who ultimately DESIRES ruling over his creation (wouldn't create it if he didn't desire to rule and micromanage it). Pokeria1 (talk) 06:31, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

In the 1890s, observers reported “a flying machine with a cigar-shaped fuselage and four metallic wings.” Cigar-shaped flying object sitings continued until the 1940s. The flying saucer idea can be traced to a letter by Richard Shaver published in Amazing Stories in 1943. Thousands of letters poured into the magazine from readers claiming to have had similar encounters. Imagine how busy interstellar traffic would have to be if even 0.01 percent of these represent authentic alien encounters. The UFO era began with a siting at Mt. Rainer in June 1947 followed by the Roswell incident in July. In the 1890s, observers had blimps and airships on their minds, so they saw cigar-shaped objects everywhere. Or perhaps the aliens upgraded their vehicles at the time of Roswell. PeterKa (talk) 07:26, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

Mt. Rainer overlooks the Hanford Site, established in 1943 to produce weapons-grade plutonium. Again, testing for atmospheric contamination which was moreless unimagined until after the Trinity Test in July 1945. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:05, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

From what I understand, the shape of these things changed over time. Like previous to the space program, the UFOs were less spacecraft like. That is another reason to believe they are demonic. Conservative (talk) 09:58, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

A written account from 1890s is moreless hearsay evidence to the historical researcher, based upon idioms of the time. These accounts also pre-date the Wright Bros. first flight in 1906. There was much interest in airflight at the time by hobbyists and inventors (this predates the military-industrial complex, when most inventions and scientific discoveries came from amateurs and tinkerers). It could have been a kite, for all we know. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:12, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

Let's take this phrase, for example, "the shape of these things changed over time". No, not all. The written descriptions in pre-1947 published accounts "changes shape". Period. That is all. Scientifically, and historiographically, that is all the evidence you have. The rest is projection, assumption, and wishful thinking. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:24, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

Now let's analyze the phrase, "turn on a dime", written presumably by a pilot in his flight report: it's a simple statement that the object had more maneuverability than anything he had encountered or was aware of about the maneuverability of aircraft up to that point. Read more published accounts of American B-52 and fighter pilots' first encounters with the manned ME-262. They were flying at 250 mph, but the 262 passed them at 600 mph. These Americas thought they had the best and latest technology. Many of these pilots literally went into shock (meaning they quite specifically loaded their pants in this life and death situation), and/or become highly demoralized. A fewer felt greater motivation to defeat the Nazi regime quickly as the clock was running against the Nazis because it would take years and years to gain access and copy that technology, or develop counter technology against it. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:52, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

Pokeria, the conditions for life is extremely rare in the universe and a naturalistic formation of the origin of life is impossible. That is why the atheists have come up with things like the panspermia hypothesis and the multiverse hypothesis (but these two things are very implausible and "Hail Mary passes").Conservative (talk) 10:02, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

Who said anything about a naturalistic formation of the origin of life regarding aliens? I didn't say anything of that nature at all. I just said that it's unlikely God, someone who craves worship above all else, even saving us specifically to ensure he alone is dominant, would just settle for one planet to have life. If anything God would be far above the naturalistic formation of that concept, and thus most certainly CAN create life outside Earth if he so desired. Pokeria1 (talk) 18:33, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

It isn't that God craves worship, it's just that he's not going to take instruction or challenges from rebellious children. He didn't save us so that he could be dominant, he created us to retake the Earth from evil after Lucifer had been cast down to Earth. Salvation restores us to our original purpose. You evidently have been listening to too much Satan propaganda. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:37, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

Of course God's not going to take instruction and challenges from rebellious children, because if he did take instruction/challenges from rebellious children, that makes him look weak, and if he loses Earth, that also makes him look weak. When you fail to retake the Earth from an evil, you're weak. And he restored us to being his slaves, ultimately. We may call him father, but we are ultimately his slaves in the end. And I fully intend for all of humanity to be enslaved to God and Jesus, per their directives. Besides, it's stuff like Sinners at the Hands of an Angry God, which if anything was God propaganda, not Satan propaganda, that demands it, as does even Jesus in the bible with his command to his disciples to spread the good news and create disciples across the world. Pokeria1 (talk) 14:12, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

Pokeria, there is nothing in Scripture indicating that God CRAVES worship. A craving would make Him needy. Also, the Bible says, "For God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." It does not use the plural of WORlDS. For a much more expansive biblical discussion on this, see: Did God create life on other planets? and Life on other planets?.Conservative (talk) 18:59, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

Technically, if we go by the historical elements of what was going on at the time of the bible, you could also say North and South Americans as well as Australians/Pacificans are inherently unsaved/do not exist because at the time the bible was written, none of those locations were even known, certainly not the Americas (the Vikings and Christopher Columbus's discovery of America occurred well after the New Testament was written, much less Jesus's crucifixion and resurrection), so I wouldn't go about using that as an argument if I were you. Pokeria1 (talk) 14:12, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

Chinese STEALTH DRONES surveilling US energy infrastructure. Sure, Brighton also used a lot of Q-Anon crap, but it's also interesting to see what sources he uses here.

@Conservative, as much as you'd like it to be true that UFO's are demons in the same way you wished Batstew flu came from bats, take a step back. Why are you doing the Deep State and the CCP's dirty work in misleading the people about so-called UFOs? Why are you, again, allowing yourself to be manipulated by fake news and MSM? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:22, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

Here's how MPR and the news publishing business works: until you publish a retraction of your false claim the conronavirus came from eating bats, you have zero credibility on UFOs. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:28, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

I will agree UFOs are demonic in the sense that their existence is a lie perpetrated by evil people in government, coupled with our own sinful nature to willingly be deceived. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:52, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

My article Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic offers evidence that the pandemic could have been started by eating habits or via a lab. There is no 100% certainty on how the pandemic started - despite the protestations of know-it-alls who pretend to know.

UFO sightings have a history that predates the CCP. WWII pilots seeing them[3], etc.Conservative (talk) 12:37, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

From a moral perspective, I wish to re-examine Conservative's reporting on the coronavirus and the Batstew flu. He took the handoff from English language reporting from the WaPo and CNN based upon verbatim reports from the genocidal Chinese Communist Party, and ran for a first down. He never once considered the sources here, and opened himself up to charges of racism and xenophobia. [4] Conservative, you got played like a cheap fiddle by the CCP, WaPo, and CNN. You need to fix these errors, cause they cast doubt now on much of your other work. And this UFO b.s. makes it look like you're moving in the wrong direction. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:39, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

My article Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic indicates: "One theory that has been postulated is that COVID-19 was developed in a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan, China.[17]".

In addition, unlike some people, I don't cower in a corner and wring my hands every time some tiresome liberal/leftist lodges some bogus claim of me being a racist. User: Conservative fears God and no other! Conservative (talk) 12:52, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

First of all, Conservative, it's not even a theory at this point. Fauci himself flat out admitted in emails dating back to February 2020 that this was EXACTLY what had happened. And I for one also suspected it was from a lab, not a bat market (never trust communists). It was NEVER about being overweight or anything like that, and I even pointed out the death toll in America was overblown (and if anything, us Americans were TOO paranoid based on personal experience). Not to mention that even recently, Singapore, one of those Asian countries you love to praise over America over its handling of COVID, has just locked down yet again due to COVID, implying it WASN'T successful at all. Second of all, RobS, your undoing edits and claiming DHS demands we not do those edits doesn't make you much better than Conservative. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pokeria1 (talk)

Before we get too far off course, let's return to OP of this thread. Now, it has been recently revealed how the 1619 Project was designed in the editorial boardrooms of the New York Times as a pivot away from the failed Russia hoax. Understanding how the news media and publishing business works should be paramount to us. The NYT editors do not sit around waiting for the next random news story to come in and report on. They begin with a theme or agenda, all daily stories are shaped to fit that theme. The 1619 project was to pivot to all race issues, be it BLM, Defund the Police, or Critical Race Theory. Now, this latest round of UFO fiction, as Peter rightly pointed out in the opening paragraph of this thread, states it is a hoax perpetrated by the Dems and foisted on us by lamestream media. How does Conservative react? He takes the bait and runs with it. In June of 2021, after a bio attack and possible another with Bird Flu, we certainly have more important things to discuss and talk about, like inflation, the budget, Dems efforts to Sovietize America, rather than waste another year and half of our lives misleading our readings with CCP & Democrat bullcrap. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:56, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

Agreed on that front, not to mention another far more important bit we need to cover is how Fauci was publicly exposed via emails to have known COVID-19 was a Chinese bioweapon that leaked outside the lab during February, even knew that masking DOESN'T work at all, yet repeatedly and deliberately lied up until the present day, flip flopped, and put us all under a completely pointless lockdown. Pokeria1 (talk) 15:30, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

Oh there's a way out of this. They're going to blame Trump. You think Biden will ask for Fauci's resignation? The public and media have lost confidence in him. But the junta doesn't care what people think. That's their job, to change how and what people think. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:41, June 5, 2021 (EDT)

The first two paragraphs of this article from Consortium News are directly relevent:

The New York Times has published an article on the contents of the hotly anticipated U.S. government report on UFOs, as per usual based on statements of anonymous officials, and as per usual promoting narratives that are convenient for imperialists and war profiteers.
Together with one voice, the anonymous U.S. officials and the “paper of record” — which is supposed to scrutinize U.S. officials — assure us definitively that the mysterious aerial phenomena that have reportedly been witnessed by military personnel are certainly not any kind of secret U.S. technology, but could totally be aliens and could definitely be a sign that the Russians or Chinese have severely lapped America’s lagging military development. [5]

It's time to reflect. What mistakes were made in CP's Coronavirus reporting? Are we on the cusp of making the same errors with UFOs? Simple solution: Look at the sources before paying attention to any of the context.

A caveat: Sometimes questionable information appears from a dubious source that, ironically, you may wish to be true. In such cases remember, it is ultimately your own reputation you are staking in it by repeating the story. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 06:23, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

Note: "hotly anticipated". This is a preview of coming attractions of the tripe and drivel MSM will trot out in coming weeks and months. Don't take the bait by giving it legitimacy by talking about it. Shape the discussion and debate. Don't respond to nonsense with nonsense. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:01, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

Is Biden the new Jimmy Carter?

Inflation, unemployment, and rising crime creates an opportunity for law-and-order Republicans the same way Carter's presidency did. Joe Biden didn't write the ransomware that closed Colonial Pipeline, but his cancelation of the Keystone Pipeline gives Republicans an opening to blame him for whatever gas shortages might occur. He also appointed idiot child AOC as his point woman on this issue. Was Greta Thunberg not available? The party of FDR wanted to put the country back to work. The party of Biden wants everyone unemployed and living off a stimulus check. I don't get the sense that a group of actual adults has thought this policy through.

Biden is ready to go to war with the American people: "Joe Biden: ‘Terrorism from White Supremacy’ the ‘Most Lethal Threat to the Homeland’" No one calls themselves a white supremacist. I take that this phrase is the equivalent being called "counterrevolutionary" by a Marxist. See "Joe Biden is Jimmy Carter, minus the cheese." PeterKa (talk) 01:55, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

Biden's not the decision-maker. Susan Rice is at the helm. The question now is if Anita Dunn will remain in the politburo or depart (disclosure rules mandate that she give up the names of her lobbying clients if she loses her temporary status).

This is Obama's third term. The same people who brought you the IRS scandal, Trump-Russia, the Libyan war, the European Migrant Crisis, ISIS, the Arab Spring, Benghazi massacre, and FISA abuse (not to mention the Clinton email scandal and Uranium One scandal) are all back in charge. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:39, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

I don't think President Biden could swing a hammer. Former President Carter reinvented himself by working for Habitat for Humanity, and not just as a spokesperson but actually building houses as well. (That may be why he's managed to survive many of the health scares he has; the outdoor exercise helps him.) Quidam65 (talk) 11:02, June 15, 2021 (EDT)

Blockbuster expose of Fauci

This Tucker Carlson expose belongs on MPR. Thousands of Fauci's emails have recently been declassified. It turns out that the person Fauci emails the most is Bill Gates. If you remember, it was Gates who funded Neil Ferguson's covid projections, which panicked the world into lockdown.[6]

When testifying to Congress, Fauci dismissed the lab leak theory and denied funding gain-of-function research. But the emails show that he knew a lot more about the research in Wuhan than he was letting on. On January 31, Fauci received an email from researcher Kristian Anderson, which said that the virus had “unusual features” that “potentially look engineered”. Fauci responded by forwarding the email to his deputy together with a PDF of Ralph Baric's research with the file name "Baric, Shi et. al. Nature Medicine - SARS gain of function research." So Fauci clearly lied to Congress. This file name leaves him without any wiggle room.

Anderson's paper, published in Nature on March 17, is here. “By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes,” he writes. Say what? Sometime after the email to Fauci and before the publishing deadline for Nature, Anderson was somehow convinced to participate in the coverup.

Baric's research is about genetically engineering a coronavirus and then covering up the evidence of genetic engineering. What civilian application does this skill have? Just the fact that Baric worked with Wuhan's Shi Zhengli should raise eyebrows. In short, not only did Fauci know about the gain-of-function research in Wuhan, his mind immediately made a connection to the covid outbreak.

In Operation Fast and Furious the Obama administration sold guns to Mexican criminals and to create a justification for enacting gun control in the U.S. I think we should call it the Gates-Fauci-Xi-Shi virus. PeterKa (talk) 03:30, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

Ultimately, this isn't going to end well for all those involved (this includes Fauci, Gates, various liberal politicians [including Democrat, Liberal, NDP, Bloc Quebecois/Parti Quebecois, Greens, Labour Party, SNP, etc.] and their willing collaborators in the liberal media and Big Tech, and corrupt unelected public health officials) in pushing what amounts to a scamdemic, as well as pushing the experimental mRNA gene therapy witches' brews they audaciously call "vaccines" but which, as documented in the CCP global pandemic, CCP virus in the United States, CCP virus in Canada, COVID vaccine and related articles, are actually causing more damage than they were purported to help. If anything, what we've heard about so far in relation to deaths and injuries from the "vaccines" is most likely just the tip of the iceberg because even if most of those who got the shots aren't feeling negative effects from them now, that doesn't mean it'll stay that way for them because of the ingredients used in those concoctions. Those who got the shots really need to be concerned about potential long-term side effects from them. Northwest (talk) 03:33, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

Anderson also wrote that after discussions with colleagues, they "all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory." So the view that it was genetic engineering was a consensus of a group involved in studying of the problem. A couple of weeks later, the situation had turned around. Did they uncovered new evidence? Or did they realize that China + Fauci + Bill Gates beats evolutionary theory? I think we deserve some answers. PeterKa: (talk) 04:21, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

Prediction: Fauci is headed for the same fate Peter Strzok, James Comey, Andy McCabe, et al endured. After destroying 46 million American jobs, indelibly impacting the lives of a generation of American school children, and running up the national debt another 6 trillion dollars, he'll ultimately land a job as CNN's Senior Health advisor at a higher rate of pay then he ever earned in government, should he in fact ever be driven out of govt.

I think it's time for a class-action lawsuit against Fauci and his empire. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 07:11, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

The Northam Formula is progressing. Fauci is so toxic that book publishers have abruptly decided not to go to print. Afterwards Jill Biden is scheduled for a TV appearance with Fauci. Joe has publicly thanked Fauci. During the breaking news of last week, YouTube put a link to flattering videos of Fauci on their home page.

My Northam Formula goes like this.... Any low-life Democrat in scandal will get verbally assaulted by all sides and demands from all corners that this Democrat needs to be fired or step down immediately. Then we wait and wait and wait. Blackface Northam stays. Compromised by a Chinese spy Swalwell stays. Sexual assault allegations Cuomo stays. Crimes against humanity Fauci stays. --Jpatt 13:39, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

When's Biden gonna ask for his resignation? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:48, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

Here's the battleground

Scientifical polling has unearthed the parameters of the current situation in U.S politics and public opinion. "44% of Likely U.S. Voters agree with Biden that the January 6 Capitol riot was 'the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.' Forty-one percent (41%) disagree and 14% say they’re not sure." So, to counter leftist opposition and propaganda, conservatives need better than a 10% break of the 14% undecided/ill-informed/ill-educated/don't care margin. That is 5 out of 7 members of this group. Strategy: don't offend anyone in the neutral group with idiot postings. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:26, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

By the midterm elections, crime and economy will far outweigh the Capital riot. The public often has a short memory. Voters have their personal radio antennas to the station WIIFM (What's in it for me?).Conservative (talk) 23:10, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

Worse than 9/11? Bin Laden's plan was to hit both the White House and the Capitol. Wasn't BLM's attack on the White House at least as serious as a bunch of goofballs wandering around the Capitol? PeterKa (talk) 01:41, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

There have been riots and looting in cities across the nation for months. And now crime/murder is way up in many cities. But the Capital Riot is supposed to be the definitive issue when it comes to public disorder because it affected Washington's politicians briefly? I don't think so! Conservative (talk) 02:49, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

Pelosi told the Capitol Police to stand down and refused National Guard offered by Trump. She wanted a riot. Then Antifa/BLM provacatuers were sent in. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:46, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

The first thing I mention to anybody that talks about the "worst attack in America" on Jan 6th was the number of weapons confiscated. For the first time in world history, an insurrection without weapons. Then I point out the videos of police escorting people inside the Capitol, videos of people urging police to stop vandalism and them not reacting. I mention Trump's speech and ask which words he uttered caused the attack? There wasn't any or the media would be repeating them every single day for six months straight. Then I go into the timeline of Trump's speech. He was still talking when the Capitol was "stormed". Pelosi and company had a scheme to turn a political rally into an insurrection. The trap was set. Where is Nancy's laptop? And FREE JAKE LANG political prisoner. --Jpatt 10:34, June 9, 2021 (EDT)

Can this be added?

Can this be added:

Setback for Leftists: Pro-Trump American First Javier Villalobos elected Mayor of McAllen, Texas, a border town that is 85% Hispanic and located in county that Joe Biden won by 17%.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-mcallen-mayor-javier-villalobos-texas --TheNewRight (talk) 14:30, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

Manchin says "no" to fraud-friendly voter law

Also,

Massive setback for pro-voting fraud Democrats: Senator Joe Manchin to oppose the For The People Act, which would nationalize elections and essentially legalize voting fraud, likely killing the bill.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-manchin-to-oppose-for-the-people-act-says-partisan-voting-legislation-will-further-destroy-democracy/ar-AAKLbMf?ocid=uxbndlbing --TheNewRight (talk) 14:32, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

I just covered both issues on main page right. Thanks.Conservative (talk) 23:25, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin has come out against the "For the People" bill, killing its chances. WaPo and the rest of the left-wing media are in mourning. The bill would have put the Feds in charge of every election nationwide, ending state and local control. The Dems saw it as a way to end "voter suppression." As near as I can tell, this phrase means only that the Dems lost an election that they thought they should have won. The hysterical reaction to the bill's defeat makes sense only if the Dems expected the Biden DOJ to rig elections in their favor. PeterKa (talk) 08:39, June 8, 2021 (EDT)

He's gonna need some good lawyers. They'll probably try to do a Roger Stone/Paul Manafort on him next. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:56, June 8, 2021 (EDT)

Extremely grateful that Joe Manchin is against this. I added on his article a while ago that he is one of two Dem senators opposed to ending filibuster. More Democrats need to be against it as well because if they're not radical enough, it will affect them as well. Patriotic Gamer (talk) 14:46, June 8, 2021 (EDT)

They're already playing the race card. [7] Now you know why Meena Harris is followed by Ron Klain on Twitter. She's a policy spokesman/person/thing. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:58, June 8, 2021 (EDT)

China versus Greta Thunberg

China is responsible for 27 percent of greenhouse gas emissions compared to 11 percent for the U.S. After fulminating against Europe and the U.S. for years, Greta Thunberg has finally posted a mild tweet about China. Chinese state media promptly turned on the "Swedish environmentalist princess who should reduce her own carbon emissions." Another article says that she might have a better understanding of world affairs if she didn't skip school on Fridays. "Although she claims to be vegan, judging from how she looks, her carbon emissions are not so low herself." See "Chinese Media Fat-Shames Greta Thunberg!.

Greta also tweeted this satellite temperature data. If hadn't skipped school on Fridays, she would have noticed that it shows that global temperatures have been in decline since 2016. PeterKa (talk) 20:30, June 8, 2021 (EDT)

There is an earthquake happening under our feet in just the past few days, the biggest shift in global public opinion since Nixon visited China in 1972. It's bound to have economic consequences lasting well into this century. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:48, June 8, 2021 (EDT)

China is being a good boy lately, perhaps to avoid an Olympics boycott. See "China Faces Nationalist Anger Over U.S. Plane in Taiwan." According to the article, "The most-liked comment on a post of C-17 photos said: 'Our red line is no red line. If this is the case, how can foreigners treat Taiwan as part of China?'" PeterKa (talk) 10:44, June 12, 2021 (EDT)

Kamala's 'root causes'

Time to call Kamala out. Kamala's 'root causes' of illegal immigration was the same argument used to sell NAFTA in the 1980s and 90s. Supposedly by opening free trade, it would keep people in their home countries and they wouldn't try to cross the border illegally. That, as well as Kamala's solicitation of greedy Wall Street capitalists to exploit cheap labor south of the border. The more things change, the more they remain the same. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 09:56, June 11, 2021 (EDT)

The main source of illegal immigrants shifted from Mexico to Central America. So in a way, the NAFTA idea worked. But as the number of Mexican migrants dropped, Obama and Biden compensated by encouraging migrants from further away. The real "root cause" is the Dems' desire for undocumented voters. PeterKa (talk) 11:33, June 11, 2021 (EDT)

The Maquiladora boom was short lived, as eventually many of those jobs went to China. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:38, June 11, 2021 (EDT)

Why did Rosenstein spy on McGahn?

The headlines today are all about the "Trump DOJ" spying on White House counsel Dan McGahn. See "AP source: Justice Dept secretly subpoenaed McGahn’s records." This happened in 2018, when the DOJ was run by Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein. I still haven't figured out what his game was. But he hired Robert Muller and his wife was a Hillary Clinton lawyer, so he can't be considered a Trump loyalist. I would interpreted this episode as Rosenstein violating Trump's constitutional right to counsel. Rosenstein also renewed the Carter Page warrant, which allowed the DOJ to spy on the Trump campaign, presumably including Trump himself.

Perhaps the Dems are releasing this information now to divert attention from the revelation that the Park Police decided to clear Lafayette Park hours before Trump decided to visit St. Johns' Church, destroying the "Trump gassed peaceful protesters for a photo op" narrative. When the New York Times and CNN produce these anonymously sourced narratives, they are so often lies. I have always thought that anonymous sourcing is unethical. See "‘I was right’: Donald Trump sounds off" PeterKa (talk) 21:19, June 13, 2021 (EDT)

CTH has a good take on it. Hopefully, it's an attempt by the DOJ to get out ahead of indictments by John Durham, But we've had our hopes dashed a few dozen times already. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:10, June 13, 2021 (EDT)

Covid shuttered 40 percent of U.S. small businesses

The "shelter-in-place" idea may not have slowed covid down, but it sure hit U.S. small business hard: "The Number of Small Businesses Destroyed by COVID Lockdowns Will ASTOUND You." Large retailers were allowed to stay open. A small business is defined as one with fewer than 500 employees. No wonder Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci emailed each other so much. PeterKa (talk) 22:15, June 14, 2021 (EDT)

Don't forget Bezos. He cashed in bigtime. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:09, June 14, 2021 (EDT)

Why don't we feature articles on Mainpageleft more often?

Featuring certain excellent articles can help their page view growth. For example, my work on the Bourke Hickenlooper and Leslie Arends articles and some of BHathorn's page creations like the ones for Milward Simpson and Jacob Javits seem like nice ones to feature. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Tuesday, 01:02, June 15, 2021 (EDT)

Why don't we feature articles on Mainpageleft more often? Tradition! Conservative (talk) 20:57, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

Texit primary strategy

Likely won't work and here's why. The article states that the parties can make a rule stating that you must be a party member to sign the petition. Texas, however, does not require someone to state party affiliation in order to vote in a primary (unlike neighboring Oklahoma or equally conservative Florida). So Miller probably won't get enough signatures to do anything. Can't fault him for trying. (Oh, and if Abbott loses in the primary, get ready to say "Texas Democrat Governor _____" because neither Huffines nor West can attract mainstream voters; they will likely sit out.) Quidam65 (talk) 10:59, June 15, 2021 (EDT)

Jon Stewart does a lab leak riff

Jon Stewart went on Colbert and made lab leak jokes. WaPo and much of the liberal media denounced Stewart's riff. What other theory of covid's origin is at all plausible at this point? The Vanity Fair expose shows that the scientists involved suspected a lab leak from the beginning. They were bullied by Peter Daszak and other China shills.

As for the pangolins, they were exonerated long ago. See "No bats or pangolins were sold at Wuhan wet markets immediately before Covid-19 pandemic started, Oxford study says." We should be moving on to questions like, "Was it genetically engineered?" and "Why was the lab's virus database, which could answer this question, taken down in September 2019, just before the outbreak?" PeterKa (talk) 06:02, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

Yes it was genetically engineered. That too has been known since January 2020 (Zerohedge, Feb. 1, 2020). By mid-March 2020 all these facts were known and in open source. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:24, June 17, 2021 (EDT) See also India research paper, Jan. 30, 2020). RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:43, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

Suggestion: In intelligence work, 99% of all intelligence material is in open source, and only 1% is classified information. This means any citizen with access to public information can engage in intelligence analysis and reporting. The difference is learning to follow open-source reporting, and not take the bait of MSM, which usually only serves the purpose to deceive and mislead.

Here is another example of following open source rather than MSM, from the Intro of the Biden junta:

"The junta's first actions were borrowed right out of the Nazi playbook;[9] like the Reichstag fire, a false flag attack on the U.S. Capitol building was staged[10] as a pretext to curb human rights and free speech.[11]

In both these instances, nearly one year apart (Jan. 2020 and Jan. 2021), Conservapedia and myself scooped Tucker Carlson by 6 mos. and 18 mos. Lesson learned: Don't follow the rabbit hole of MSM. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:56, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

The beauty of following open source information rather than MSM is, when the truth finally becomes widespread and known, you don't have to waste time arguing against bogus information that you knew was bogus from the start. You simply continue and expand upon the facts. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:04, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

So, the question is, How do you qualify open source information? Here's an example: *23 July 2020 - KT McFarland: Chinese unleashed a bioweapon on the world.^[1]

RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:13, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

Of course, Youtube has removed the video, but a transcript is available at Media Matters (which only corroborates its veracity):

"K.T. MCFARLAND: 49 years ago this month, Richard Nixon, President Nixon, directed his national security adviser to go to China and to open up relations with China, to bring China into the world. I was a young staff aide to Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger at the time. I remember it as if it was yesterday, and that set American foreign policy with China in a certain direction for 50 years, and President Nixon was right, he said "we induce them to change."
Our thoughts, Republican and Democrat alike was that as China modernizes, as China comes into the world, as they develop a middle class, they will have a -- be an open society, an open economy, an open society, but that's not how it turned out. The Chinese, in fact, have exploited that and that's why Pompeo was at the Nixon Library today because he's indicating we now have a reverse, we are now -- we are now acknowledging the fact that the Chinese have stolen intellectual property rights, have militarized the South China Sea, have unleashed a bioweapon onto the world, have practiced wolf diplomacy, and so we, the Trump administration, we the United States, we're going to have a very different approach to China going forward, and that's exactly what he was telling you. [8]

RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:21, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

Continuing with qualifying open source reporting: So, KT McFarland is an eyewitness to 49 years of events at the highest levels. Contrast that with Stephen Colbert:

"Colbert said: "It could be possible that they have the lab in Wuhan to study the novel coronavirus diseases because in Wuhan there are a lot of coronavirus diseases because of the bat population there."

Colbert evidently has not even read the open source material from The Lancet (published Feb. 6, 2020):

"bats carrying CoV ZC45 were originally found in Yunnan or Zhejiang province, both of which were more than 900 kilometers away from the seafood market. Bats were normally found to live in caves and trees. But the seafood market is in a densely-populated district of Wuhan, a metropolitan of ~15 million people. The probability was very low for the bats to fly to the market. According to municipal reports and the testimonies of 31 residents and 28 visitors, the bat was never a food source in the city, and no bat was traded in the market.”^[2]

Conclusion: 18 months after the fact Colbert is either willfully ignorant of the science and open source reporting, or deliberately deceptive. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:51, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

I had assumed that Kristian Andersen's article in Nature Medicine (March 17, 2020) had debunked the genetic engineering theory. But Fauci's emails give us reason to revisit this issue. It turns out that Anderson suspected that the virus was engineered and consulted Fauci. Fauci is of course not a specialist on genetic engineering, but rather someone Anderson might consult to determine what sort of findings were politically acceptable. Moreover, it seems that Ralph Baric, whose specialty is making genetic engineering difficult to detect (?!?), was working with Shi Zhengli. So the logic for considering this issue to be closed is no longer valid.

There is also the original reason to suspect that something fishy was going on: Shi Zhengli claimed that RaTG13 was the closest thing she could find to the covid virus in her database of 15,000 bat viruses. The virus is 96 percent identical to the covid virus. This is not close enough for it to be the natural ancestor. But we can think of it as the base virus used for genetic engineering.

As far as your ZeroHedge link goes, I would be reluctant to go down that road until the theory that coronavirus was spliced with HIV appeared in a source that could be considered more mainstream. Anderson's reasons for suspecting engineering were quite subtle. If the covid virus was massively spliced with HIV, that's certainly not something he noticed. PeterKa (talk) 10:16, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

Zerohedge had the link to the Indian researchers who found problems with the gnome sequence and evidence of splicing (splicing is basically the same as "gain of function", i.e. that's why they splice, to gain function). Remember, it was a "novel" back in the day, so no research report was conclusive. MSM was regurgitating CCP propaganda on Feb. 1, 2020, and ignoring science. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:41, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

More evidence of Colbert's ignorance: This video, posted Dec. 10, 2019, shows researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology traveling to Yunnan to capture bats. It was widely publicized by April 2020. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:11, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

Another illustration

Here's another illustration of MSM reporting with no context. On May 24, CNN reported this uncontrolled leak:

"The decision to terminate the inquiry [into the lab leak], which was run primarily out of the State Department's arms control and verification bureau, was made after Biden officials were briefed on the team's draft findings in February and March

So the official MSM version (note, not the administration version cause as we'll see, there was confusion) as of May 24 was the so-called "lab leak theory" was bull and the original CCP bat stew flu cover story was doctrine. Then came the Vanity Fair article on June 9 and, with a wink and a nod, the Biden admin had flipped and was seriously investigating the "lab-leak theory". So what happened in two weeks?

Nothing happened, cause the May and June reporting was all on events from last February. And evidentally whoever leaked the story about the investigation being shut down in February was unaware it had been re-opened elsewhere. This ties in with news about the high-ranking Chinese defector - from last February - whose information now (or at least enough of it) has been leaked which verifies the lab-leak.

"vice minister of State Security, Dong Jingwei (董经纬) defected in mid-February..." [9]

Conclusion: the so-called "news" we are getting is stale, up to 5 months old. During Obamagate or Fisagate (aka "Mueller investigation"), the reporting was consistently 6 months, and at some point near the midterms as much as 18 months, behind the times. Right now you can conclude that virtually anything the Biden junta allows into the public domain is likely 5 months old, stale, and nobody in the admin gives a crap anymore cause it's old news. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:48, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

So here's some pointers in following MSM:

Realize there are two types of leaks, controlled and uncontrolled. Controlled leaks are intended to shape a narrative. Uncontrolled leaks usually result in scandal.
Washington News reporters and anchors who appear on television always know much more than they are reporting. They are following a script for that day's reporting, i.e. how much the public can handle and are all the explanations and rebuttals in place from various sources.
Likewise elected officials and bureaucrats also always know much more than they are commenting on. Feigned outrage can be their specialty.
You are being fed news and information in doses, premeasured as to how much you can comprehend in a daily news cycle.

RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:12, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

There are a zillion examples in recent memory that can be cited. The Awan investigation, for example. It went public about January 30, 2017. For a year and half we waited with baited breath for every scrap of information they tossed us. Then when Awan pleaded guilty, we figured we'd now find out the results of the investigation. it turns out, there was no investigation for that year and half (at least that's the official story). The investigation was over when he got fired from Congress on January 30, 2017, and the news went public. This is what is known as a "head fake."

Another example with bipartisan, Uniparty and Deep State implications. When news was released in October 2017 that Senate Intelligence vice-chair Mark Warner had engaged in witness tampering with Christopher Steele in Feb. 2017, GOP Sen. Marco Rubio was asked about it. He almost had to jog his memory and responded with, 'oh, that's old news. We investigated it." Conclusion: The GOP Senate Intel Cmte was in on the coup and Mueller's attempt to overthrow Trump. It was doing nothing, other than helping to hide, the origins of the Steele dossier. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:34, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

There is no "Biden junta"

As the Biden Junta took power, the American people were excluded from what traditionally has been a public event.

A junta is "A military or political group that rules a country after taking power by force."[10]

Did the US military install Joe Biden? Did Joe Biden and/or a paramilitary group go in with their guns blazing and install Joe Biden as president? Of course, the answer to these questions is no. There is no "Biden junta".

It is theoretically possible for the presidential election results to be called fraudulent by state governments and for Biden to be removed from and for Donald Trump to be installed as president, but for now Joe Biden is the president of the United States. To deny this is foolish. Biden sits in the Oval Office and he has issued executive orders. Unfortunately, for all intents and purposes, the Biden presidency is a fait accompli.

Wikipedia is foolish for calling evolution a fact. And Conservapedia is foolish for having the term "Biden junta" in its main space areas of its website.

Denialism gets under my skin whether the political left or right is doing it. Conservative (talk) 16:46, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

"junta" is the same Latin root we get "joint" from, as in Joint Chiefs of Staff. It simply means "together". If you ask a girl for a date in Spanish, you ask her to go juntos (together) with you. The MSM, when speaking of a military junta refers to it as a military junta, when no civilians are involved. Because most modern undemocratically elected juntas consist of civilian socialist elements, junta (or joint committee) is entirely fitting. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:05, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

So now you want to redefine the term junta. I am not buying it RobS. And neither is the public. The reason why Conservapedia ranks #1 at Google for the term "Biden junta" is that other websites are not trying to foist the foolish notion of their being a "Biden junta". The whole "Biden junta" thing is absurd RobS. Conservative (talk) 17:16, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

By the way, when are the black helicopters of Biden junta going to land in all 50 state capitals of the USA? Conservative (talk) 17:20, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

Call me a dissenter. I'm not onboard with your acceptance of incremental socialism. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:57, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

Call me a realist. I'm not onboard with people refusing to accept reality. Conservative (talk) 06:48, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

Ignoring election fraud cause the election is over is like ignoring murder cause the victim is dead - Sydney Powell. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 09:35, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

Non sequitur. Even if there was rampant election fraud, that does not mean that a military or paramilitary force installed Joe Biden as president. Conservative (talk) 20:55, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

"Grandpa, what did you do when the totalitarian leftists were taking away our rights, destroying civilized society, and persecuting innocent people? Were you with the Resistance or Collaborators? or did you just shut your eyes to the destruction of the Constitution and all the human rights abuses? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:56, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

Your emotional "argument"/plea did not overcome my logical and factual argument. Conservative (talk) 22:10, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

Well, at least now we know where you stand. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:10, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

President Trump: “I Have Not Conceded”. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:49, June 21, 2021 (EDT)

Trump will never concede. Trump's self-concept is that he is a winner. And winners don't lose. The baby boomers have a lot of problems with narcissism.

I do hope some state audits of the presidential election show significant fraud. The USA ranks 57th in election integrity compared to other countries that are democracies.[11] There is a lot of room for improvement.Conservative (talk) 10:54, June 22, 2021 (EDT)

Now you're beginning to see the point. That Arizona audit, which should be complete by August, is key. If Arizona proves fine and reports Biden won fair and square, then we'll toss in the towel and you can move Biden junta to Biden administration. But so far it appears significant fraud in AZ & GA, with PA next to audit.

Why does any of this matter? Because you are deluded to think a Republican will ever win an election again in 2022 or 2024. There simply is not the time to implement the reforms needed. And it doesn't matter if 51%, 60%, 66%, or 75% vote against the Socialist Democrats. No amount of legitimate votes can defeat the collusion of the CCP, DNC, and Big Tech. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:55, June 22, 2021 (EDT)

Capitol raided by FBI informants?

Did the FBI pay informants to attack the Capitol on January 6? Tucker Carlson is on the case. He argues that the "unindicted co-conspirators" that seem to be everywhere in the legal filings are in fact FBI informants. Given the FBI's track record, they don't deserve any benefit of the doubt. Mueller set Governor Spitzer up with a hooker sting and protected Boston gangster Whitey Bulger. Half the people in the "kidnapping plot" last year against Governor Gretchen Whitmer were FBI informants. During the "war on terror", the FBI was astonishingly good at uncovering terror plots. With Mueller at the helm, why wouldn't they be? He may have stumbled around during the anthrax investigation. But when the plots are FBI generated, they are a lot easier to crack. YouTube is rigorously censoring this story the same way they used to censor the lab-leak story. PeterKa (talk) 02:28, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

Glenn Greenwald has a good take on this. Tucker's idea that the term "unindicted co-conspirators" is code for FBI informant is probably wrong. In the Michigan case, the FBI informants were called "confidential sources." But there are other reasons to suspect FBI involvement, none of which are being addressed by the liberal media. Low level figures in the Proud Boys, Three Percenters, and Oath Keepers are being targeted, but not the leaders. The Three Percenters was also involved in the Whitmer incident and the head of Proud Boys has worked as an informer in the past. PeterKa (talk) 04:40, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

The FBI should focus more on more pressing threats. Strzok and Page should be in jail and Wray should have been fired. If the FBI focused on more pressing threats, perhaps the Twin Towers would still be standing. Conservative (talk) 06:50, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

It's Ruby Ridge all over. [12] The ATF tried to blackmail and frame Randy Weaver to infiltrate Aryan Nations. And when he refused, they murdered his family. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 09:38, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

Liberals vilified the police for months. Then the Capitol Police killed Ashley Babbitt and suddenly they were heroes deserving of Congressional gold medals. The Capital Police somehow managed to deal with the BLM attack on June 1-2 without killing anybody. Where are the gold medals for the Minneapolis police? Nicholas Kristoff tells us that Babbitt watched Tucker Carlson. I want to know what shows the police officer who shot her watched. PeterKa (talk) 20:42, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

If you want to leave libs with their mouth agape, just post "Defund the Capitol Police" in your next Facebook or Twitter discussion. Timing is important. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:02, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

Update: Read what happened to this guy and compare it with what happened to Randy Weaver. In both cases, for openers Randy Weaver ran for Sheriff in a primary as a Republican and lost, and this Green Beret ran for Congress in a primary as a Republican and lost. Evidentally, dabbling in Republican politics since 1989 makes the feds think you have leadership skills and makes you a target for recruitment and blackmail. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:39, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

I once ran for Minnesota state senate as a Republican. Hey, I won my primary. "Hang the murderers" was my tagline. PeterKa (talk) 23:47, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

Wow. If they can find something or frame you on something, don't be surprised if they come knocking on your door at 7:30 some morning and ask you to do them a favor. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:46, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

We need to talk about the elephant in the room

"Woman in Thailand discovers elephant in her kitchen searching for snacks." (SCMP) The photo is hilarious. The Thais believe that you can "make merit" by feeding an elephant, so Thai elephants are not shy. PeterKa (talk) 21:58, June 22, 2021 (EDT)

Give him some crackers or something. Elephants aren't meat eaters, but I'm sure they could bruise your hand with their teeth if you weren't careful and tried feeding them by hand. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:03, June 23, 2021 (EDT)

Strange Behavior of this Wiki

Each time I try to log in as "AugustO", I'm logged off immediately, so I cannot use my account. I created this dummy account to make you aware of this problem, and I'd love to know the reason for the strange behvior of this wiki. Thanks, AugustO2 (talk) 09:38, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

PS: "Which Greek city was the center of an ancient empire?" "Athens" was an empire? That was my third try, after Byzantium and Constantinople! --AugustO2 (talk) 09:41, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

When you tried logging in via "AugustO", did you click on the checkbox which says "Check this box"? —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Thursday, 10:08, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

No. Never. *LOL* Thank you, this bugged me for months! --AugustO (talk) 10:41, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

You're welcome! Unfortunately this problem's been around since last fall, and Andy still hasn't been able to fix it yet. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Thursday, 11:09, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

An observation about the developed countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. Let's look at Finland.

Finland was a great place to be during the coronavirus pandemic. Long live Finland whose citizens have capitalism, lots of consumer choices, free speech and many other freedoms!

I will also point out the a very large percentage of the countries that have handled the coronavirus pandemic so far have a Protestant cultural legacy or were strongly influenced by such a country (U.S. had a strong influence on Japan, Singapore was a British colony). See: Protestant cultural legacies.

The national flag of Iceland has a cross on it which reflects its Christian heritage.

Some of the of most successful countries that handled the coronavirus well in terms of per capita deaths are: New Zealand, Singapore, Australia, Taiwan, Japan, Iceland, Norway and Finland.

Obviously, some of the countries had geographic advantages which made them less porous as far as infected people coming into their countries (Islands, etc.).

Let take a look at Finland which is not an island.

One of the most successful developed countries to tackle the coronavirus that didn't have the advantage of being geographically isolated (New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, etc.) was Finland whose deaths per 100,000 people was very respectable.[13]

Does Finland have private medical companies and capitalism? Yes.

Does Finland have lots of free speech and many other freedoms? Yes.

Does Finland give its consumers a lot of choices? Yes.

Is Finnish society very harmonious or is there a lot of contention and the calling of people scum, etc.? "Finns have a reputation for reticence, thoughtfulness and unemotional behavior. They are quiet, reflective, somber and, for some, seemingly stubborn and standoffish. They are unwilling to speak unless they have something of importance to say. There is a saying that when a Finn says something, they really mean it."[14]

Did the harmonious Finnish people have public-private partnerships to tackle the coronavirus pandemic? Yes, they did.[15]

Next time some contentious, leftist/liberal tells you the answer to solving the coronavirus pandemic in a country is to shut down free speech and demonize opponents, tell them how beautifully Finland handled the coronavirus pandemic. Conservative (talk) 14:53, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

It's far from over. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:56, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

I will also point out the a very large percentage of the countries that have handled the coronavirus pandemic so far have a Protestant cultural legacy or were strongly influenced by such a country (U.S. had a strong influence on Japan, Singapore was a British colony). See: Protestant cultural legacies.

Here I stand on the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well. I can do no other. Conservative (talk) 15:03, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

My point is, it's far too early to draw any conclusions. No one knows how a man-made virus will behave in the future, or what other man-made viruses await us. Or the efficacy of so-called "vaccines" against man-made viruses. As to the reaction against a bioweapon attack upon the planet, worldwide reaction has been an unmitigated failure and continues to be. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:06, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

Unfortunately, in the USA, leftist/liberal ideology in its educational systems, has made the USA less harmonious and less Protestant friendly.

RobS, I retitled the title of this section to: "An observation about the developed countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. Let's look at Finland."Conservative (talk) 15:08, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

Realize the bio-weapon attack was upon the entire Western system of governance, not just their healthcare systems or economies, so I suggest expanding the parameters of your thesis. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:16, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

I am very happy with my essay An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland.. I just wanted to make a few key points in an essay. I do not want to write a book.Conservative (talk) 15:58, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

Okay, I see. Then may I suggest you prepare your work as a foundational counter weapon to what appears to be a long struggle ahead for the remainder of this century. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:14, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

I don't have any grand plans for my essay.

I have some plans for what struggles I am going to be involved in.

And I am going to be less involved in politics in the future. I view the baby boomers as a selfish and short-sighted generation. And unfortunately, their descendants are not high-caliber people. The acorn does not fall far from the tree. And as long as you have low-caliber people running things, they are not going to be run well.

Also, "No soldier in active service entangles himself in the affairs of everyday life, so that he may please the one who enlisted him as a soldier." - The Apostle Paul, 1 Timothy 2:4Conservative (talk) 16:22, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

A few years ago we debated "the dumbing down of America" before school boards. Now we have arrived at the pot of gold at the end of the liberal rainbow with CRT.

As to the boomer generation, despite its large numbers, it was never a political monolith. The Vietnam war divided it politically in its youth between Marxists and Patriots. By the election of the first boomer president, the draft dodger Bill Clinton, it was obvious the Marxists won. As a boomer, I'll modify and recycle a slogan used by the NRA in the 1960s: "I'll give up the screwed up world I inherited from the World War II generation when you pry it from my cold dead fingers." RobS^{Free Kyle!}

If the leftist/liberal extremists gain a ton of ground in the USA (defund the police, etc.), I will move to a solidly red state or I will emigrate. I am not worried about politics. I have options. Conservative (talk) 17:33, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

(ec) Cons: here's a suggestion for an essay based on an obvious fact in front of our faces that most people ignore: childless people, particularly homosexuals, have much more time to devote to politics and political activity than voters raising a family. Hence, homosexuals as candidates for office, and in media and academia, can present themselves as alleged "experts" in certain areas. Voters with children and families need to simply apply this litmus tests to people like Kamala Harris, Angela Merkel, Theresa May, etc. etc. etc.. If they don't have children, they don't seem too worried about "what kind of world we leave to our child." They seem more focused on the power they can amass for themselves here and now. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:36, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

I so rarely think about homosexuality, the essay would never be written!

I am taking the Apostle Paul's advice to the Philippians at this juncture in my life. "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things." - Philippians 4:8. Conservative (talk) 18:29, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

Hands up, don't nuke

Somebody let Biden out of the basement again: "Those who say the blood of Patriots, you know, and all the stuff about how we’re gonna have to move against the government... If you think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons."

This may sound like dementia acting up, but he's actually said similar things before. He thinks it's a really clever argument: "You don't need those guns cause I am gonna nuke you anyway." Well, we can only hope that the military isn't quite ready to nuke patriotic Americans. Liberals obviously don't believe this argument themselves. Antifa, BLM, the Secret Service, the FBI, the security guards for Hollywood starlets all carry guns. Liberal oppose stop and frisk, which is to say that they don't see any problem with criminals having guns. So what's wrong with guns? From a liberal point of view, the problem is that conservatives have a lot of them and could use them against "peaceful protesting" Antifa and BLM. PeterKa (talk) 07:25, June 26, 2021 (EDT)

Ah, the good ol' days, when people were less barbaric and used the guillotine. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:20, June 26, 2021 (EDT)

Bet on gold all the way

How can we tell that we are just about to be hit with some serious inflation? Biden held a press conference to explain how great inflation is: "President Biden: “Pay Them More”" My grandparents told us about being paid in wheelbarrows full of cash in Weimar Germany. So, yeah, I guess in a way they were paid more. Germany used inflation to get rid of its WWI debt. What is the upside this time around? PeterKa (talk) 05:04, June 28, 2021 (EDT)

Before you invest in gold, there are few simple fundamental economic precepts one should understand:

All prices are ratios. For example, a dollar hamburger on the McDonald's dollar menu sells for 1:1
The price of gold sells at a ratio of how many ozs. of sliver exchange for one oz. of gold. For example, today's gold price sells for 1:67.
The price of silver is determined by how man ozs. of silver exchange for one barrel of oil. In this example, we'll use West Texas Crude. Today's price is 2.82:1

What you do with this information is now up to you. Sorry, but I'll have to charge you if you want anymore information. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:30, June 28, 2021 (EDT)

Another "four Pinocchios" for senile Joe!

WaPost gives Biden four 'Pinocchios' for saying Second Amendment bans cannon ownership —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Monday, 17:13, June 28, 2021 (EDT)

The "Longer Telegram"

An anonymous individual associated with the Atlantic Council has published a "Longer Telegram" that serves as a modern-day equivalent to George F. Kennan's "Long Telegram." This one is aimed at China.

Extra, extra, read all about it!

How many 50 cent words were in the Long Telegram? [16] RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:06, June 28, 2021 (EDT)

What is with the administrative state?

I have been watching C-Span since it first came on, now in its 4th decade. I have got to be the only human being on the planet (outside of DC) who enjoys watching C-Span 3 all day Saturday, a channel no one else ever heard of. But I have never seen anyone in the executive branch flatly refuse to answer a question in a Congressional hearing - not until this year. 5 times so far this year, and 3 times in just the past week. Why do we even have Congressional hearings now, if this is the pattern of the future? Better yet, what do we even need Congress for, if this is the attitude of the people in the administrative state have, since they evidently have all the power and are accountable to no one? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 04:42, June 29, 2021 (EDT)

Add To In The News

Massive setback to the Defund The Police Movement: Former Police Officer and Opponent of Defunding the Police Eric Adams wins the Democratic Primary for Mayor of New York, defeating Anti-Police and AOC-Backed Maya Wiley.[17] --TheNewRight (talk) 16:43, June 29, 2021 (EDT)

How does school choice have anything to do with either evolution or atheism?--Joao felix (talk) 11:06, June 30, 2021 (EDT)

Duh, students who attend a school of their choice are taught to think rather than being force-fed garbage, perhaps? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:16, June 30, 2021 (EDT)

Bill Cosby

Is Conservapedia seriously defending mass rapist Bill Cosby? ---BernieandTrumpFan (talk) 12:23, July 1, 2021 (EDT)

Defending? No. We're reporting facts. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:59, July 1, 2021 (EDT)

Based on current law and the available evidence they could use, the prosecution could not have a strong case due to the statute of limitation laws and the multiple women asserting Bill Cosby raped them being silent for so long.

Bill Cosby is largely a social pariah now - except for diehard Cosby fans. At least 60 women say Bill Cosby sexually assaulted them.[18]

The Me Too Movement had momentum for a while, but when they stabbed Joe Biden sexual assault accuser Teara Reade in the back, they lost momentum. I doubt the possibility of getting widespread bipartisan support in the USA for statute of limitation changes for rape is there.

Culture changes slow. Feminism has a long history[19], but it's still a man's world and I don't see that ending anytime soon (or ever for that matter). The historian Martin van Creveld is to the left of me culturally/politically. Although I don't agree with everything in Creveld's book on equality (he believes in evolution for example), he makes a lot of good points in his book Equality: The Impossible Quest. Conservative (talk) 22:53, July 3, 2021 (EDT)

Cosby was prosecuted unfairly, in part a result of retaliation against him for a conservative talk he gave to the NAACP in 2004, known as the "Pound Cake" speech.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:09, July 3, 2021 (EDT)

How many women say Bill Clinton sexually assaulted them? Was he ever prosecuted???--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:08, July 4, 2021 (EDT)

Bill Clinton is somewhat of a social pariah now too (Even many Democrats don't like the Clintons now, but there are always partisans in our divided country). That is why Donald Trump had a news conference with 3 sexual abuse accusers of Bill Clinton before one of the presidential debates[20] (It was in response to the press pressing Trump on the Access Hollywood Access tape. Many Republicans would have folded after something like the Access Hollywood tape, but Trump played brass knuckles politics in response to the tape as a counter-response. It was classic whataboutism. Trump was letting the Clintons and media know that there would be a price to heavily promoting/covering the Access Hollywood tape for an extended period.). Conservative (talk) 01:20, July 4, 2021 (EDT)

Macron

Woke leftist culture imported from US is ‘racialising’ France, causing splits in society and holding back ethnic minorities, says President Macron,

Ordinarily, this would be big news. But probably not on a holiday weekend. it could go in his bio or the globalism articles, however. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:42, July 3, 2021 (EDT)

Hope he appreciates the irony of chickens coming home to roost, since most of the woke leftist culture that we exported to France recently was in turn exported to us beforehand by people like Michel Foucault and Jacques Derrida, also Jean Baudrillard and Sartre as well. I think the only one besides Frankfurt School that France was completely innocent of creating, at least in terms of direct creations, was Critical Race Theory (that one unfortunately WAS directly created by us). Heck, hope he acknowledges France's role in all the non-CRT woke crap and goes out of his way to remove Foucault, Sartre, and the like from the Pantheon if they're even there. Might as well remove Voltaire and D'Alembert as well and restore the King of France as well, even consecrate the Heart of Mary while we're at it. Pokeria1 (talk) 21:23, July 3, 2021 (EDT)

As the Muslim population grows in Europe, the European anti-immigration, nativist, right-wing parties grow concurrently. So European, secular leftists, will be facing a double-barrel shotgun of desecularization and nationalistic/nativistic, right-wing populism in the 21st century. And what is happening in Europe, will spread to the USA. Conservative (talk) 23:12, July 3, 2021 (EDT)

The woke U.S. Navy

Russian military officers learn that Russia will rule the world from Aleksandr Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics (1997) while the Chinese are reading Anthony Fauci's How to Sell Vaccine Using Genetically Engineered Viruses. (Oops, I don't know if that last one is an actual title.) Meanwhile, American officers are reading How to be an Antiracist by Ibrahim X. Kendi. (No, this one isn't a joke.) In one segment on Tucker Carlson, Admiral Gilday, head of naval operations, told Congress that he recommends this book, "To promote honest discussion about race." This is a mighty amusing reason because Kendi argues that honest discussion about race is itself racist. Petty much everything you can do or say is racist, according to the book.

General Milley, chairman of the joint chiefs, earlier told Congress that he recommends this type of book to "understand white rage." Milley reads Mao to understand Maoism, so why doesn't he read a white supremacist to understand white rage? Because the idea is not to understand anything, but to encourage the military to look at Americans, especially patriotic Americans, as the enemy. PeterKa (talk) 21:19, July 3, 2021 (EDT)

It's the Long march through the institutions of Rudy Dutschke. We've seen it coming for awhile. Now we have it in K-12 and the armed forces. The only solution is to apply the brakes immediately. Otherwise everything is lost. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:38, July 4, 2021 (EDT)

I can see America losing our next war. We already made the foolish mistake of having a prolonged and costly war in Afghanistan that achieved nothing for the American people or the country of Afghanistan. Conservative (talk) 09:25, July 7, 2021 (EDT)

Heroin prices now go up. The bad news is, everytime you inject heroin in your arm. you're nolonger supporting the CIA - you're supporting our enemies who are trying to destroy us with drugs. Alternatively, it is good news for Big Pharma (and the budding Mexican poppy growing industry).

I think we already lost our next war, the U.S. Color Revolution. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:17, July 7, 2021 (EDT)

Losing the Vietnam War was a boon to the domestic marijuana industry. While the war itself expanded consumer demand, when it ended domestic producers didn't even exist. Now states rely on them for revenue. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:27, July 7, 2021 (EDT)

Remember Bernardine Dohrn - Michele Obama's bridesmaid - immortal words from the failed 1960s Marxist revolution: "Dope is a weapon." And she was a trained Marxist, too. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:31, July 7, 2021 (EDT)

New York prosecutors indict Trump CFO

The headlines tell us that the Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance's indictment of Allen Weisselberg, CFO of the Trump Organization, is about "accountability." Since prosecutors are not ready to file charges against Hunter Biden or Nancy Pelosi, we can conclude that the crime Weisselberg is really being prosecuted for is working for Donald Trump.

The path this investigation took brings to mind a statement by Beria, one of Stalin's henchmen: "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime." Few people have been investigated more intensely or by more authorities than Trump. Comey's FBI investigated him during the 2016 campaign. Hillary put the legal vendetta in motion immediately after she lost the 2016 election. It's been going from one legal authority to the other every since. The FBI soon passed the baton to Robert Muller and Andrew Weissman. The feds couldn't make a case, so now the Manhattan DA is giving it a whack. That's not the way law enforcement is supposed to work. We have fifty states and many jurisdictions. Will they all investigate Trump one after the other?

Vance's case started as an investigation into hush money paid to Stormy Daniels. When he realized that there was nothing illegal about payments of this type, he started looking at the tax status of fringe benefits paid by the Trump organization. This supposedly led him to evidence that Weisselberg kept two sets of books. Keeping a fraudulent set of accounting books is of course a serious offense. But the fact that this accusation comes up at the last minute gives us reason to be suspicious.

America hasn't sent prosecutors after former presidents before. But we can look to ancient Rome for a precedent. During the republic, Roman magistrates had immunity from prosecution during their term of office. After Milo's term as praeter (mayor of Rome) ended, he was put on trial. Milo employed Cicero as his lawyer, but Caesar's mob shouted Cicero down. Milo was convicted and exiled to Marseille. His supporters were anxious to get back at Caesar. When Caesar's own term as proconsul of Gaul ended, he feared a trial in which Cicero's rhetoric would be deployed against him. So he took his legions with him across the Rubicon, marched on Rome, and proclaimed himself dictator. Such was the end of the republic. PeterKa (talk) 21:43, July 4, 2021 (EDT)

The Stormy Daniels case originated with FISA abuse. In this case, the FBI shared the illegal surveillance product with the Manhattan DA.

Once a judge slaps a gag-order on the proceedings, it effectively kills Trump's 2024 prospects. No one seems too concerned about the illegal leaks from the Manhattan DA's office.

DeSantis / Vernon Jones 2024. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 05:59, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

Felony cases take anywhere from 2 months to a year to complete.

If Allen Weisselberg is guilty, the big question is whether or not he will hang tough or whether he will flip.Conservative (talk) 09:53, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

That's a pretty simple question to answer: you threaten a 73 year-old man with 15 years in jail. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 09:59, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

And it's not a question of "flipping" (you allow too much MSM to shape your outlook). It's a question of him agreeing to perjure himself, as in the case of Dr. Jerome Corsi. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:01, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

Threats are only effective if they have teeth. What's the average prison time for an offense like this?

In addition, it's often hard for a 60+ year old man to find work. If Weiselberg hangs tough, he could be rehired by the Trump administration if his prison time is short. And if Biden totally screws up his presidency, there is the possibility that Trump could be reelected and pardon Weiselberg.

It would be a mistake to underestimate Donald Trump and the Trump Organization. Both have a reputation of toughness. Hillary Clinton made the mistake of underestimating Trump.

I think we are only in the second inning of this "ball game". Conservative (talk) 10:09, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

Weiselberg is not the target, Trump is. A 15 year sentence with no room for negotiation is a death sentence to a 73 year old man. You seem to be under the mistaken perception you are dealing with honorable people in the Manhattan DA's office. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:03, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

If NY state were to go after Donald Trump personally, it could be a Pyrrhic victory. Conservative rich people could use it as another reason to move out of NY state. New York City is bleeding residents - especially wealthy residents. New York State is bleeding wealthy residents too.[21]Conservative (talk) 10:22, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

“With the amount that they’ve charged, it is serious enough for prison time,” Jennifer Rodgers, a former federal prosecutor, told Yahoo News. Rodgers, now a lecturer at Columbia Law School and a CNN contributor, said that the charges against Weisselberg would “realistically put him in the neighborhood of two to four years.”

“It's not heavy time,” she said, “but he’s [73] years old.”[22]

I realize that Allen Weiselberg is not some old school mafia guy (Old school mafia guys have a reputation of hanging tough and not flipping), but I predict Weiselberg will hang tough and not flip. He could be rehired by Trump at a hefty salary and could even be pardoned if Trump is reelected. Conservative (talk) 10:47, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

I just read the article Allen Weisselberg’s Post-Indictment Strategic Considerations. If Allen Weisselberg is guilty, he might flip. Some other Weisselberg family members might be indicted for tax fraud. In addition, there is NY State's "Little RICO" laws. Conservative (talk) 11:02, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

Why? Why all of this? The object is to tie Trump up so that he cannot run in 2024. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:03, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

"War is merely the continuation of politics with other means." - Carl von Clausewitz

The legal system can also be the continuation of politics by other means.

The whole court case could largely be the result of a lucky break the Democrats got as can be seen in these articles: ‘They were offering me nothing’: A fraught divorce sits at the center of Trump Organization probe and CFO arrest and Jennifer Weisselberg, Allen Weisselberg’s Ex-Daughter-In-Law: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know.Conservative (talk) 16:05, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

MPR -- "Pro-Constitution" Group Stopped in MA

The group that was stopped in Massachusetts armed to the hilt were NOT a pro-Constitution militia group, we should not be celebrating them. They are an Islamist group called the Rise of the Moors -- they are anti-Christian and think Muslims and Blacks have special rights in America (meaning more rights than Whites and Christians). Can we remove the story or change it to reflect this? The Lamestream Media are trying to portray them as right wingers because they are clearly woke, CRT, Muslims that they lost control of. --IScott (talk) 15:13, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

Only Democrat racists and the bigoted MSM would disallow law-abiding citizens their Constitutional rights, and use Islamophobic attacks to spread fear. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:16, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

If this is indeed the case that they aren't pro-Constitution but a militant muslim group, we definitely need to remove those news items, lest we end up repeating that mistake we made with the Nazis by parroting leftist academics and news media's claims that they were right-wing after World War II (when in reality, they weren't even right-wing under the European definition, much less the American definition. Sure, they were technically to the right of, say, Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin, but then again, even Obama was to the right of Noam Chomsky, yet he was still far-left.). Pokeria1 (talk) 05:40, July 6, 2021 (EDT)

After reading the homo-bashing passages in Trotsky, I suspect he'd be canceled by today's left. PeterKa (talk) 02:34, July 7, 2021 (EDT)

Hey, if you can supply a cite and a link, we could use that in several articles. These revolutionaries today are really crazy, they want to remake the world in their own image. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:49, July 7, 2021 (EDT)

Sorry, I read Troksky's History of the Russian Revolution a few years ago. But I can't bring the passage up now. He was making insinuations about some czarist banker or industrialist, if I remember rightly. PeterKa (talk) 23:23, July 7, 2021 (EDT)

I vaguely remember it, too. Exposing the foibles of the rich was an effective way for communists to stir resentment and hatred. Of course nowadays the rich wear gayness as a badge of honor and a protected privilege. Perhaps some googling might bring something up. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 05:27, July 8, 2021 (EDT)

Greg Abbott vs. Allen West

Thoughts?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/allen-west-texas-govern-gop-primary-challenge-greg-abbott

--Geopolitician (talk) 20:40, July 7, 2021 (EDT)

It's exciting. I'd vote for Allen West over Greg Abbott. Abbott does the minimum of what he thinks he need do to mollify conservatives. More leadership than that is necessary today.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 20:45, July 7, 2021 (EDT)

If West defeats Abbott (which will be hard, Abbott is highly popular especially among Hispanics as he's married to one), give the Governor's seat to the Democrats. Most Texans will not support West in the general election and will sit it out (or less likely vote for a third-party candidate). Blacks aren't going to switch parties to vote for him. Quidam65 (talk) 15:54, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Environmentalists go to bat for China

Environmentalists have new plan to save the world: Appease China. See "Biden’s new Cold War with China will result in climate collapse, progressives warn." According, to this plan, if we're nice to China, they'll reduce their carbon emissions for us. A list of environmentalist groups, including the Sunrise Movement and the Union of Concerned Scientists, “call on the Biden administration and all members of Congress to eschew the dominant antagonistic approach to U.S.-China relations and instead prioritize multilateralism, diplomacy, and cooperation with China to address the existential threat that is the climate crisis.”

This one is just so stupid, it's hard to know where to begin. What if the Chinese think, "With America run by a senile pushover, now is the time to invade Taiwan." If being the bad boy gets China better treatment, why would other countries follow the rules? I can only conclude that these groups are either on the take or have been fixed up with their own Fang-Fangs. PeterKa (talk) 23:47, July 7, 2021 (EDT)

Of all the modern commie front groups, the Sunrise Movement is one of the scariest. They target 12-year-olds to train tomorrow's Antifa stormtroopers and DSA activists. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 05:31, July 8, 2021 (EDT)

And many of their NEA teachers pushing CRT are their political commissars and recruiters. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 05:34, July 8, 2021 (EDT)

Ocasio-Cortez comes out of the Sunrise Movement. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 05:36, July 8, 2021 (EDT)

APS

Albuquerque Public Schools reading list is almost all about race, queerness, or revisionist American history. The good news is, Albuquerque Public Schools has about a 70% dropout rate, and none of them know how to read and write anyways. I think the race-baiting NEA uses this stuff as an incentive to get kids interested in reading by appealing to hate. Incidentally, APS district is one of the largest in the United States. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:01, July 8, 2021 (EDT)

Haiti and Taiwan

A China angle in Haiti is now coming to surface. What an eyeopener. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:24, July 10, 2021 (EDT)

I don't know. There's growing evidence of the gunmen having ties to both US law enforcement agencies and the Colombian military.[23][24][25]--Geopolitician (talk) 12:30, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Did you see this? looks like RightScoop didn't do their due diligence. Lt. Gen. Robert Schmidle is the father of Nicolas Schmidle, who wrote the b.s. story about Seal Team Six and killing of bin Laden for the New Yorker, as well as its hit piece on the American Sniper, Chris Kyle.

I totally destroyed Nicolaus Schmidle's credibility in Wikipedia's hit piece on Chris Kyle, and was even contacted by families of Seal Team Six with information on Robert Schmidle. Later they thanked me for destroying Nicolaus Schmidle's credibility as a reliable source for Wikipedia (not easy to do for an "award winning", mainstream publication).

Put two and two together - October 2021 is the final timetable for the CCP's invasion of Taiwan. Schmidle says here, (through an alleged rightwing media source), the U.S. isn't ready. It's not beyond the Biden junta or the Deep State to make an overture to the CCP by whacking out Moise. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:38, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

For all we know, the invasion could come as early as later this month or as late as October 2025. I say this because CCP media stated in 2013 that the timetable is between 2020 and 2025, and due to weather patterns it can only attack in May, June, July, or October. So the window opened in May 2020 and will close in October 2025.[26][27]--Geopolitician (talk) 17:32, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Now they're saying DEA was involved. Why DEA? Cause after the Church hearings (as noted here Frank Church), the DEA doesn't have to report back to Congress on any killings outside the US. The DEA has a pool of trained assassins. The CIA has to report book on killings, whether it was pre-planned or accidental to maintain operational security. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:19, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

There you have it, today's programmed news. I guess the U.S. has no intention to defend Taiwan when it gets invaded this October. Kinda like the Sudeten Crisis in 1938. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:28, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Question About Cuba

I thought a lot of the protestors are against the country's communist and authoritarian government. Am I wrong? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 21:37, July 11, 2021 (EDT)

That is correct, the country's totalitarian fascist rulers and system, the same type of system being installed in the U.S. at the moment. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:14, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

I'm sorry to say, but isn't the majority of Fascism based on Far-Right cultural beliefs, instead of Leftist ones? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 18:23, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

No. The American right believes in freedom and liberty. Totalitarianism by whatever stripe is exclusively leftwing. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:19, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

May you please cite a source for that? There have been totalitarian Leftists in the past, yes, but it isn't exclusively Left-Wing. An example of a Right-Wing totalitarian leader would be Hitler, and you can't deny nor disprove the existence of his Far-Right beliefs, after all. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 23:23, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

Hannah Arendt, who invented the term totalitarian, to explain the difficulty many people had explaining which side of the socialist coin they were on during WWII, and in the years following immediately afterwards. [28] RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:57, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

While the term may have been coined in response to socialism, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is composed exclusively of Leftist Ideologies. In fact, both original and modern meanings describe it as some form of 'An autocratic form of government or political system that restricts political opposition to the state and controls public and private life.' This means that Right-Wing totalitarianism is INDEED possible and very real. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 00:32, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

No it doesn't. Not in American politics. That's a fanciful interpretation that may make sense in European classrooms (after years of Marxist indoctrination), but it is not what Hannah Arendt wrote about or discussed in the 1950s. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:44, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Can you tell me the original meaning of Totalitarianism, then? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 00:47, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Well, after the Second World War, the communists were strutting victoriously, and many ex-Nazis were trying to rehab themselves (especially in the Eastern bloc, but in the West, too. Vichy France had a big problem). But many had problems embracing the victorious ideology, as well, at least in territories where free thought and free expression was allowed (i.e. right-wing ideas, by American standards). Hannah Arndt explained that one did not have to embrace the other variant of socialism, which shared the same evil characteristics. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:28, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

In which page of the essay is this stated? I want to check. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 12:47, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

After the defeat of the National Socialist pandemic, the Delta variant of Soviet communism raised its ugly head. Hannah Arendt explained it was not a victorious alternative, it was the same ugly disease of totalitarianism. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:49, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

That claim doesn't make much sense when you think about it, as there is plenty of anarchist and freedom-based Leftist Ideologies. Examples include Anarcho-Communism, Anarcha-Feminism, and Green Anarchism. Please note that these aren't the only Free Leftist Ideologies, nor that all Free Leftist Ideologies are Anarchist. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 13:48, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

In the immediate postwar, there were survivors from both sides. The victorious Communists lorded themselves over the defeated Nazis. Arendt reminded people that there was a third way, and the choice was not communism vs. nazism. That communism and nazism were two sides of the same coin - totalitarianism. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:13, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Wouldn't that mean that Right-Wing Totalitarianism is possible, even in the original meaning of the term? The Nazis may have called themselves socialist, but that they weren't, as Hitler killed the actual socialists in the party once he got into power. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 14:31, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Kennedy biographer Arthur Schlesinger says the Nazis, who were genuine revolutionaries, were not "assigned" to the right until 1948, cause they couldn't figure out where to put them otherwise. Not Right, Not Left, But a Vital Center. This pre-dates Arendt and the Korean War by 3 years. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:47, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

What? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 16:04, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Totalitarian is a uniquely and distinctly Cold War term. It did not exist prior to 1951. It was censored in the 'Communist East', but in West Germany, the United States, the UK and elsewhere many people felt sympathy for Communism. War time propaganda told people that Communism was a form of democracy. When the Korean War started, fighting communism created confusion. So Totalitarianism explained that there was no difference between Communism and Nazism in their suppression of democratic rights. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:32, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

But Nazism is Far-Right, no? If Communism is the same as Nazism when it comes to totalitarianism, that would mean that both the Far-Left and the Far-Right can be Totalitarian. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 16:10, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

As a kid in the 1960s, we used to joke about the term, after learning about the WWII and hearing all the old war stories. We used to deliberately mispronounce it, total-it-ar-ian-ism rather than To-tal-it-arianism, to tell our teachers the crap they were feeding us didn't make any sense. "You mean people were lied to during WWII by New Deal propagandists?" RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:42, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Are you replying to me? The formatting is quite confusing. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 14:56, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Yah. It saves space. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:25, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Can't you just format it normally? It's confusing this way. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 15:41, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

"Harry and Uncle Joe got on like a house afire." 5 years later Uncle Joe was killing Americans in Korea. So there was some 'splaining to do. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:30, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

What does that have to do with anything? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 15:41, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

In America, World War II propagandists, beginning with FDR, claimed that Communism was democratic. Soldiers enlisted to secure "the right of self-determination of peoples". Imagine their shock, like no WMD in Iraq, when people realized they had been lied to. This explains McCarthyism. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:52, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

What does that have to do with anything? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 16:04, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

People speak of the Greatest Generation in glowing terms today. The truth is, by 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, those veterans, and their parents and sisters who worked in arms factories, suffered many sacrifices and privations, became very disillusioned. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:58, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

What does that have to do with anything? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 16:04, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

The meaning and definition of Totalitarian. The World War II generation had been lied to about Communism. They felt they had risked their lives for nothing. So a new enemy had to be invented - totalitarianism - which was nothing more than the same old enemy, communism and nazism.

IOWs, they had to transfer all the hatred and fear they had for Nazism over to their former allies, Communism, and realize both as twin evils. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:13, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Like I said earlier, if Nazism and Communism are two sides of the same coin, wouldn't that mean that Right-Wing Totalitarianism IS possible? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 17:13, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

No. At least not in any American sense. The American right believes in God and human rights - that what conservativism is. Even the European-based right originally believed in God. I have no idea what it is today. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:31, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Sure, but Christianism (Or any kind of religion) isn't exclusive to the Right. This is demonstrated by Religious, but culturally Leftist Ideologies, such as Progressive Chritianity. Conservatism isn't exclusive to the Right, as well. Take Progressive Conservatism and Liberal Conservatism into account, for example.

I would also like to know what you mean by 'Human Rights.' Wanting equality for everybody, regardless of trivial factors such as Gender, Race, and, Sexuality sounds pretty Pro-Rights to me. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 18:25, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Okay, I'll try to clarify for you. There is God and Satan, good and evil, love and hate, right and left. Is that simple enough for you? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:09, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

This may come off as a surprise, but the world isn't Black & White. There are good and bad parts of the Right, much like how there are good and bad parts of the Left. There is also overlap between the two sides, as such, saying that all that is bad is the Left's fault and that all that is good comes from the Right is Foolish and Ignorant. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 20:29, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Well, that's the problem when you're dealing with theories, they may or may not be true. Or maybe only half true. And that's what the Political Spectrum theory is, only a theory. Unfortunately, in real life, we need more concrete information to stand on. So why do we teach children these garbage theories in schools? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:42, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

I do not understand, nor do I want to engage. This has gone on for way too long. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 22:57, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

God bless you. Have a nice day. :) RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:23, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Thank you. Perhaps we can continue this debate at another time. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 11:51, July 14, 2021 (EDT)

Vaccine police

Robert Barnes has a good answer for when the vaccine police come to inspect your papers. Tell them you identify as vaccinated. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:30, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

Could you please come up with another joke? Repeating the same one isn't going to give it hilarity. At this point, you might as well identify as not funny. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 18:12, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

Feel free to ban me, as well. I know you like smothering out opposing opinions, much like those "Darned Liberals."ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 18:12, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

It's not a joke. And I'm on solid legal ground. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:22, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

I wasn't talking about this supposed Vaccine Police. I was talking about the repeated-to-death transphobic joke of 'I identify as Blank, now give me the right of/to Blank.' Now may you please show me what legal ground you stand on? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 23:18, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

In front of a woke cop or judge, I'll make my argument. In front of a normal person, cop, or court of law, I need not explain. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:03, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Basically, my legal grounds are based on science. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:13, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Can you cite your sources, then? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 00:20, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

The same sources that say a man with a penis is a woman. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:46, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

I asked for citations, not exclamations. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 00:50, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

By some scientific fact or will of God, a man born with a penis can will himself into being a woman, you know, kinda like Rudolph Hess trying to bend a spoon or move a chair by force of his will, or Hitler defeating Russian tanks bearing down on him by the strength of his will. This is modern science, after all. Get with the program. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:55, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

I am not attempting to deny nor agree with your statements. I am simply asking you to cite specific sources, so you can cement the credibility of your statements. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 01:11, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

I dunno; read this garbage and tell me if it makes any sense to you. [29] RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:18, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Please, just cite your sources already. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 01:26, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Google it. There's plenty of crap there. Better yet, go to Rationalwiki, they claim to be experts in sorting out facts from truth. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:31, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Even Biden's with me, "We choose truth over facts." I'd rather be morally right than factually corrrect. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:32, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Now, you may want to waste years of your life waiting for Amy Coney Barrett to decide if an adult male can expose himself to a 6-year-old girl at the Wu Spa in L.A. or if I can be tossed off an airplane for identifying as vaccinated, but that's your business. In America, people have the God given right to be stupid. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:27, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

What does that have to do with anything? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 23:18, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

Amy Coney Barrett will ultimately decide if a man who identifies as a woman can expose himself in front of a 6-year-old girl legally in the State of California, City of Los Angeles, no matter what laws communists pass. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:03, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Again, what does that have to do with anything? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 00:20, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

We're just waiting for the right test case. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:46, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Fauci is horrified whenever he sees someone who's not paying vaccine royalities: "Fauci: "It's horrifying" to see people at CPAC cheer the government missing its vaccination targets." Hurry! If Bill Gates loses money, he won't be able to finance another scam-demic! The other virus Baric and Shi were engineering is Ebola, so that could be next. PeterKa (talk) 08:23, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

In the Pantheon of history, Lord Fauci is already remembered for his statement, "I am the way, the truth, and the life." What more needs to be said? Why does he bother to keep talking? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:58, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Trump wins CPAC straw poll

I can't believe this isn't on MPR already: "Trump easily wins CPAC 2024 GOP presidential nomination straw poll." Trump got 70 percent and Ron DeSantis 21. No one else broke 1 percent. American Spectator is certainly pumping up DeSantis. A Trump whose focus is proving that he "won" is 2020 sounds like a nightmare candidate. Of course, its still early. Traditionally, this kind of thing gets straightened out soon after the midterm. Gore in 2000 and Hillary 2016 were also consumed by the need to reverse lost elections. But neither of them ever ran for anything again. PeterKa (talk) 18:27, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

In order for Donald Trump to win in 2024, Joe Biden is going to either have to badly screw things up or mentally decline to such a degree that he is unelectable. In addition, Trump has to dodge the NY State prosecutor bullet. I think it is 50/50 at least that Donald Trump could win in 2024. Stress significantly hastens the progression of Alzheimer's Disease[30] and the presidency is a stressful job. Conservative (talk) 11:24, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Stress may accelerate dementia too.[31] Conservative (talk) 11:26, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Actually, I have no idea what is going to happen to the Biden/Harris presidency, Biden's health or the NY State case against the Trump Organization. On top of this, there could be a variant of coronavirus that the current vaccines can't handle. So many things could happen before 2024. It's sad that the Democrats didn't pick someone better than Biden/Harris. They have further descended down the slope of decline since the days of Truman/Kennedy. Conservative (talk) 11:47, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

You see Biden running again? Really, he's way too old. If he does run again, the Harris faction of the party won't be shy about saying so. See "There's zero chance Joe Biden will run in 2024. Why didn't he dodge the question?" The mainstream media was long a center of Harris worship. But they have recently started running stories that tentatively admit that Harris does in fact have certain weaknesses. So perhaps the Dems are thinking of running someone else.

No, I see Biden either stepping down one day after two years, thus setting things up for Harris to finish his term. Very rarely (and not any in recent years) do you see a serious primary challenge in the party of the incumbent. This would give her ten years to destroy America. Can we please have the Second Coming now? Quidam65 (talk) 15:48, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

At this point, I'd say Harris is still the frontrunner for the 2024 nomination. She can clear out the other Dems the way Hillary did in 2016. Damn two party system. We need nonpartisan primaries with the top two vote getters going on to the general election. Highly unpopular candidates like Hillary or Harris could never game their way to the top under those rules.

Harris is a sure loser as far as the general election goes. The polls suggest that she couldn't even beat Trump, never mind DeSantis. PeterKa (talk) 20:57, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

The knives are already out for Kamala. And Biden may not make it til 2024. And there's enough ambitious up and comers in the Democrat party. Gerry Ford barely served two years, and still got to build a presidential library. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:49, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Personally, I think Tulsi Gabbard will stomp all of them in the 2024 primaries, Liz, Bernie, Kamala, Bootyboy, etc etc. RobS^{Free Kyle!}

Bottomline: 2024 is an open seat, much as 1948, 1968, and 1976 were. There is no legitimate incumbent (neither Truman nor Ford were elected to the presidency, and LBJ dropped out at the last minute). RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:34, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

The Dems stole the House through fraud in 2018, the presidency in 2020, and the Senate in 2021. The big question now is preventing Democrat fraud in 2022. If it cannot be done, that will be the last election in a formerly free republic. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:38, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Biden reminds me of the character Titurel in Wagner's Parsifal. He's so old and decrepit, unable to perform the duties of the king of Grail Knights, they already have him boxed up in the grave before he's dead. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:12, July 14, 2021 (EDT)

BTW, anybody know anybody who can do good animated memes? I want to plaster Joe and Hunter Biden's faces on Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il's face in this opening clip. It even has the international socialist Red rose (symbolism). RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:32, July 14, 2021 (EDT)

Beware, those who worship false idols...

Mural Honoring George Floyd in Toledo, Ohio Destroyed by Lightning Strike

Northwest (talk) 03:52, July 14, 2021 (EDT)

Who shot Ashli Babbitt?

Like Vicky Weaver, Ashli Babbitt was shot for being white. This July 7 article by Paul Sperry claims that Capitol Police Lt. Mike Byrd shot Babbitt. If so, that would seem to be quite a scandal. Byrd has been accused of violating firearms safety rules on several occasions. For example, he was, "investigated for leaving his department-issued Glock-22 firearm unattended in a Capitol restroom." He must have been protected from dismissal by someone powerful, possibly Chuck Schumer.

The response of the liberal media is not so much to defend Byrd as to warn us not to finger a black man for fear of a racial backlash. When Republicans retake Congress, the first thing they need to do is to install a statue of Babbitt (after prosecuting Byrd for her murder, of course.)

In short, Mike Byrd is the new Eric Ciaramella, a guy in the center of the news whose name decent people are not allowed to say. I'm old enough to remember when journalists supported the First Amendment and boasted of revealing news, not of their role in keeping important stories from the public. PeterKa (talk) 23:18, July 14, 2021 (EDT)

What's happened under our noses is, the Capitol Police just received more funding (without a vote) than the $1.9 billion the American people recieved with their $2000 stimulus checks and unemployment insurance. Why? cause, first, some guy took a crap on Pelosi's driveway in San Fransisco, and second, the FBI, in collusion with Antifa black bloc and the USCP, assaulted the Capitol building last January to force this expansion of a non-Executive Branch police force. Now Cuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi can monitor their enemies with the same technology we used in Afghanistan to monitor the Taliban. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:54, July 14, 2021 (EDT)

Psaki

There you have it. Now we know how Psaki got the job. We've linked her directly to the Biden-Burisma coverup. See this clip from a May 2014 State Department press conference. "we certainly wouldn't put them in the same category," i.e. Hunter and Joe Biden in the same category with corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs and cronies.

And here I thought all along she got the job after her softball question, "What's your favorite ice cream flavor?" She's in up to her eyeballs, not that she's necessarily on the payroll, but it's fairly obvious now her loyalty is to the party and the Biden family, and not the U.S. government or the American people. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:16, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

A big red wave is rolling towards the 2022 midterm elections in the USA

Progressive Democrats love: defunding the police; the "mostly peaceful protests" that include a lot of rioting and looting; blaming soaring murder rates on guns rather than criminals; inflationary economic policies; open borders; critical race theory; and talking about packing the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Democrats' leader, Joe Biden, is a corrupt, old man with very noticeable cognitive decline and his side kick Kamala Harris is an incompetent and unlikeable Vice-President who runs a toxic work environment in her office.

Political scientist Rachel Bitecofer correctly predicted a "blue wave" in 2018. She is now "sounding the alarm" about a red wave in 2022.

The Republicans CRUSH Democrats in the special elections that were held in July of 2021.

Behold, the big red wave that is rolling towards the 2022 midterm U.S. Congressional elections in the USA! It is unstoppable. Hallelujah!

A big red wave is rolling towards the 2022 midterm elections in the USA. It is unstoppable! Hallelujah! Conservative (talk) 12:48, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

It's all predicated on faith in the integrity of American elections, which unfortunately has been shattered for many people. We heard this same stuff in 2018 and 2020. And that's why we call it the Biden junta.

The job is before us here, and now, and not in some clouded future. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:02, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

You need to pay attention to things like this:

From the outset in October 2020 everything around the “plot to kidnap” Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer seemed sketchy, almost silly. The goofy similarities and suspicions were familiar to those who remembered the sketchy October 2018 “mail bombing plot” that involved Cesar Sayoc.....Yes, you read that correctly, 12 FBI ‘informants‘ amid a group that had six arrests. [32]

Or this:

Rank and Vile – Stunning Inspector General Report Shows FBI Facilitating Predator Coach Larry Nassar Rape of U.S. Gymnasts – Worse, The FBI Lied to Investigators and Then The DOJ Refused to Prosecute. [33]

Time to wake up to what is really going on. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:10, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Had the FBI and DOJ released the declassified documents on Muellergate as they were ordered to by the President of the United States in 2018, there would not have been a "blue wave" in 2018. So your source, Rachel Bitecofer doesn't have clue what she's talking about, or else she's just another commie propagandist if she didn't address these issues. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:17, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

The main issue in American politics today is the role the intelligence community is playing in domestic politics. Period. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:20, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

The GOP is passing voter integrity laws in many states. Joe Manchin is stopping the Democrats from making big changes in election laws that favor Democrats.

A massive and unstoppable red wave is heading towards the midterm elections in 2022.

Democrats, it's all over with the fireworks kids! Game over! Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.00.Conservative (talk) 14:43, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

The House Oversight Committee just opened an attack on the Arizona audit. The fight is here and now, not 18 months from now. You're luring people into a false sense of security and sleep. You need to educate readers on the issues in this 4 page letter. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:12, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

The Arizona audit might be merely the first domino to fall in the slew of state election audits to come. A cascade of election audits might follow after the Arizona audit. Red wave 2022! It's coming! Conservative (talk) 15:46, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

This stuff isn't random, there is a strategy. [34] RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:06, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

And there is a counter-strategy, which Biden kicked off two days ago in Philadelphia. People need instruction on how to meet this massive counterattack. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:09, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

What I'm sayin is, when you're sitting on your own 35-yard line, you don't start doing an end zone dance. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:30, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

I am just a humble GOP fan watching from the sidelines. When I see my team racking up points, sometimes I cheer (I don't think the GOP is a great political party, so I am not a huge fan of the GOP. They are by far the lesser of two evils though. Both parties - the GOP and the Democrats - spend too much money and it is often spent on foolish things). Conservative (talk) 18:41, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

There wasn't a lot to cheer about in 2021. The captain of the GOP team, Donald Trump, fumbled the coronavirus ball in 2020 by downplaying the pandemic. Paradoxically, Joe Biden needs Trump to rally Americans to get vaccinated, but he is not giving Trump sufficient credit for the vaccine development and the vaccination drive he initiated. So he is not getting Trump's cooperation (Whether he could get Trump's cooperation is a whole different matter.) See: Essay: Joe Biden may have to become more bipartisan to get Republicans to rally behind Covid-19 vaccination in order to get to herd immunity in the USA. Conservative (talk) 18:49, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

It's not a time to sit on the sidelines, or even worry about the GOP. It's time to confront the Communists trying to overthrow our civilization and destroy our electoral process before November 2022 rolls around. You can't wait on hope, you must take action now. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:21, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

For example, Nick Rekieta lays out one specific issue we need to address and educate people on. While the fraud uncovered in Arizona and Georgia may not affect Biden's job, it can affect 3 Democrat Senators' jobs. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:36, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

"Republicans Outraise Democrats in Second Quarter ahead of 2022 Midterms".[35]

"The National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) announced this morning that it had raised a record-breaking $45.4 million in the second quarter of the year, more than $20 million of which the group raised in June alone.

The National Democratic Congressional Committee, meanwhile, announced just yesterday that it had a similarly record-breaking haul last quarter, but with a much lower final total, with $36.5 million overall and $14.4 million in June."[36]

There is going to be a big beautiful red wave in 2022.[37] Conservative (talk) 19:38, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Trump never fumbled the ball. If anything, the threat of COVID was in fact exaggerated, and I can prove it: [38] Pokeria1 (talk) 19:55, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Trump was subverted by DNC/CCP collusion - that's what the history books will read - assuming we, and free speech, can survive and avoid CCP occupation. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:33, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Trump is not the first person to fumble a ball. Moses struck a rock twice and never saw the Promised Land. King David gravely sinned.[39]

Samson fumbled a ball and he was given a second chance to be victorious.

Who knows what is going to happen in 2024? Trump may win the presidency again. Given the tribalism that has developed around the GOP/Democrats, I don't see Joe Biden making much headway getting Republicans to have higher vaccination rates. And I think getting Republicans to have higher vaccination rates is going to be the key to conquering this pandemic in the USA as soon as possible (that's assuming it will end or at least be a seasonal problem). Conservative (talk) 20:37, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Democratic Party theme song for 2022. Conservative (talk) 21:05, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Spelling error needs correcting on main page

It is not "lightening" (that means to lighten something, like bleaching your hair), it is "lightning". Quidam65 (talk) 15:44, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

I fixed it. Thanks. Conservative (talk) 15:54, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Breaking

Captain Kirk defects to the Klingons. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:54, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

The great seed panic of 2020

With the country under lockdown in the summer of 2020, Americans started receiving unmarked packets of seeds from China. Was China trying to export an invasive plant species, a virus, or other dangerous materials? The USDA suggested it was "brushing", a scam in which a company sends out worthless items to get delivery receipts. Such receipts can be used to improve the placement of product reviews on the Internet.

What really happened is a tale of mass hysteria worthy of a new edition of Charles McKay's classic, Extraordinary Popular Delusions. People had ordered seeds in the spring when China was locked down. Shipment was delayed until summer. By this time, customers had forgotten about the orders. They listened to media reports about "mystery seeds" and a crisis of suggestibility followed: "What do you know, Mildred? I got a packet like that too."

To compound the hysteria, Chinese companies often identified their products as jewelry to make it easier to get past customs. Chris Heath sleuthed this story out. PeterKa (talk) 20:46, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

YouTube bans Carlson for exposing voter fraud

Auditors have hit the voter fraud jackpot in Fulton County, Georgia. See "Internet Explodes After Tucker Airs HARD EVIDENCE of Voter Fraud in Fulton County." How do we know Carlson is on to something? Because YouTube has shut him down with astonishing speed and thoroughness. Carlson videos going back several years have suddenly gone poof. YouTube never shut down a Trump-Russia expose, so it's not like the company cares about accuracy. PeterKa (talk) 12:32, July 16, 2021 (EDT)

the Biden Regime is preparing for a civil war against the American electorate to protect the fraudulent results of the 2020 election. The U.S. Department of Justice has been activated along with The Federal Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the U.S. Intelligence Community and elements of the U.S. Department of Defense. In addition to the full weight of the U.S. government, the Democrat National Committee, the Lawfare alliance , activist groups, the U.S. media cond Big Tech social media platform control agents have all been enlisted. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:51, July 16, 2021 (EDT)

On the subject of double scanning of ballots leading to double counting, Carlson cites this story in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. It says that this scenario gave Biden an additional 31 votes. Then there's the issue of mail-in ballots, counts of which varied widely in Fulton. After Biden's unhinged speech attacking voting integrity laws, we have to assume the worst about the Democrats' intentions regarding the 2022 vote. Censoring Carlson is a drill. The next election needs every election watcher it can get. PeterKa (talk) 21:54, July 16, 2021 (EDT)

Big Tech collusion with the White House to censor alleged covid misinformation is a dry run for censoring audit results, which will become a bigger and bigger issue now over the next 30 days.

On a side note, a week ago people said Trump's lawsuit was nuts cause he accuses Big Tech as being "state actors" (the First Amendment is only a restriction on govt., not private actors). Psaki's blatherings over the past two days makes it absolutely clear Facebook and Big Tech are acting on admonitions from the White House, evidence to be use in court. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:25, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

If Biden were smart, he'd fire Psaki by now. Well, it only accelerates his downfall, maybe also Harris and Pelosi as well if evidence is uncovered that they too played a role in the steal. Pokeria1 (talk) 05:13, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

Unbelievable how Tucker Carlson is #1 in cable news and is cut off for reporting facts that the MSM and big tech do not want us to know about. I wish Tucker covered this earlier, like in November 2020, but he was not honest with his audience then. Patriotic Gamer (talk) 09:15, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

Politico reported that Psaki is already on her way out. Symone Sanders is the next obvious choice, but she's more likely to stick it out with Harris. That leaves Beddingfield, but more likely Karine Jean-Pierre who apparently is being set up for the fall.

As to Harris being in on the steal, you're giving her way too much credit for brains. Not likely. Pelosi OTOH is representative of all the big corrupt Democrat machines throughout the country. She was born into it. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:53, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

Let's go back to the case of Harris for a moment. Marc Elias was her general counsel during her short-lived presidential candidacy. She was the first choice of the DNC insiders to be heir of Obama and cut off the challenges from the DSA and Bernie Sanders. She was first in, and also first out. The question is, Who was working for who? Was Elias working for Harris or Harris working for Elias? Elias most definitely was the mastermind in the "greatest election fraud organization in history", in the same way he was one of the masterminds (along with John Brennan) in the Russia hoax. Elias hired Christopher Steele. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:31, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

"A 2019 report published by the Electoral Integrity Project, an independent project based out of Harvard University, found that U.S. elections from July 2012 through December 2018 rated 'lower than any other long-established democracies and affluent societies.' Each country in the index was given a score out of 100 based on assessments of the quality of each of its elections – including categories such as electoral laws, voter registration and voting process – one month after polls closed." - U.S News and World Report (mainstream news organization), 2019 [40]

The "Democrat Dutchmen" can try to put their fingers in all the emerging holes in their dam to control the narrative about U.S. election, but it's a fool's errand. America needs more election integrity. Conservative (talk) 13:06, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

COVID-19 and Fort Detrick

The Gateway Pundit is pushing a theory that reconciles the rival "CCP bioweapon" and "American bioweapon" theories; one in which the virus was created at Fort Detrick but was then smuggled out by a CCP spy.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:58, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/exclusive-china-infiltrated-u-s-military-biodefense-program-fort-detrick/

(a) Old news. (b) That is not what the article says.

Was there cooperation between American government funded researchers and CCP researchers on gain-of-function research? Yes. Was it developed at Ft. Detrick and smuggled out? No.

Right now, you are quoting verbatim official Communist Chinese line of propaganda. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:25, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

Where's Jen Psaki and Facebook to snuff out misinformation when you need them? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:26, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

The article strongly implies that the virus was snuck out of Detrick by one of the several CCP-linked members of Fauci's NIAID team. This is a theory that endorses a Fort Detrick origin but still places ultimate blame on the CCP.--Geopolitician (talk) 16:15, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

Nah nah nah. You got Dr. Baric and the North Carolina lab to worry about. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:04, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

Breaking: Remember, you heard it here first.: Senator Rand Paul Says SARS Weaponization Research Happening Right Now in North Carolina and Texas. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:09, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

The Ft. Detrick lab story is more than a year old already. Mar. 13, 2020. It got recycled this spring after a bizarre shootout at Ft. Detrick. April 6, 2021. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:12, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

So obviously Fauci, Daszak, and Baric are anxious to take the heat off NIAID and stick it back on the Pentagon. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:15, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

I'm not saying there wasn't Pentagon cooperation with the CCP through Fauci, et al, I'm saying the idea of "smuggling" is b.s. They all were full partners - the Pentagon, NIAID, and the Wuhan lab - knowing what they were doing on gain of function. Trump shut it down. The "smuggle theory" is an obvious effort by the American side to deny responsibility for its involvement.

Now, in the Winnipeg lab case, there you do have evidence of illegal smuggling of samples. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:24, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

The American side was simply too trusting, that (a) the Chinese side would follow proper handling and security protocols, and (b) that the CCP would not use it as an offensive bioweapon. Whether or not it began with an accident is totally irrelevant. It was released to the world deliberately by the CCP. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:30, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

Let's even assume it was an accidental leak. The CCP could have and should have contained it. They willfully decided not to, and rather made the conscious decision to attack the rest of the planet with it to further their global ambitions. That moment altered the course of history for the rest of the 21st century. The only word that matters now is China#Decoupling, which means the CCP can either be overthrown, or go back into another 3,000 years of isolation. Period. PERIOD. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:43, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

I'd like to see the USA pursue a restrained foreign policy, for once. That's what the Founders would've wanted.--Geopolitician (talk) 01:12, July 18, 2021 (EDT)

Restrained in what sense? You mean not sending troops into Haiti so as to not justify a CCP invasion of Taiwan in the immediate future? If Biden does send troops to Haiti, rest assured it's the green light to the CCP to send troops into its own backyard. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:18, July 18, 2021 (EDT)

Let me back up for a minute. When I said "overthrown", I mean internally. Two regimes that cannot be overthrown externally are North Korea and the CCP. They cannot be removed by external powers like Hitler and the Nazis were. (If you've seen any number of films, Operation Walkure with Tom Cruise, Sophie Scholl, Taking Sides with Stellan Skarsgard, to name only a few recent, you'll see the difficulty of removing a corrupt regime internally). Not being able to remove a corrupt regime by external force is the price we pay for the scientific progress of living in the nuclear age. Iran is next on the list, that we must decide if the planet wants to live with Mullahs running things in perpetuity, or will the people of Iran ever have some hope of living under a freer system. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:47, July 18, 2021 (EDT)

Joe Biden failed: Canada's vaccination rate overtakes the USA

Joe Biden failed: Canada's vaccination rate overtakes the USA.[41]

For more information, see: Joe Biden may have to become more bipartisan to get Republicans to rally behind Covid-19 vaccination in order to get to herd immunity in the USA.

If only Joe Biden gave Donald Trump credit for Operation Warp Speed and his vaccination drive.

The coronavirus pandemic could plague Biden's presidency, just like it did Trump's presidency.

"There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit." - Ronald Reagan Conservative (talk) 17:18, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

In related news, the count of "fully vaccinated Texas Democrats" now having COVID is up to five. (Then again, this assumes -- and we know what happens when you do that -- they were telling the truth about being vaccinated. Or having COVID. Or both. We are talking Democrats, after all.) Quidam65 (talk) 11:54, July 19, 2021 (EDT)

They didn't use common sense. Unless the private airplane had some kind of hard core air purification/filtering system, a plane, subway, etc. is going to more dangerous because people are breathing a lot of same air and are in close proximity to each other. They should have been wearing masks/face shield. And in some Asian countries, people don't talk in subways because that increases transmission.

The Democrats in question were swilling beer, wearing no masks and probably talking a lot. That is stupid in the midst of a pandemic - especially with the more transmissable/virulent Delta variant which the vaccines are not as able to tackle. Pride comes before the fall. They thought they were invincible. They were not.

There is the term "common sense", but it is getting less and less common. Conservative (talk) 00:03, July 21, 2021 (EDT)

What that whole episode shows is that Democrats do not believe their own propagands. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:27, July 21, 2021 (EDT)

"routine doctor’s appointment"

It was announced by the White House that Kamala Harris went to Walter Reed Hospital for a “routine doctor’s appointment” today. [42]

Yah, right. Everybody has a routine doctor's appointment on Sunday. It is beyond insulting how stupid the WH and MSM think we are. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:03, July 19, 2021 (EDT)

First January 6th sentence

After months of listening to the media explain that a violent "insurrection" occurred on January 6, Paul Hodgkins is sentenced to eight months for inhumanity of....carrying a MAGA flag around the Senate chamber: "Capitol rioter, 38, is jailed for EIGHT MONTHS in first felony sentence that could set the bar for hundreds of other defendants." Puerto Ricans nationalists shot five congressmen in House chamber in 1954. Their sentences were commuted by Jimmy Carter. PeterKa (talk) 02:21, July 20, 2021 (EDT)

What a waste of time and money this all is. Everyone knows all 532 people charged (and anybody else in coming months) will all receive full Presidential pardons no later than January 21, 2025. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:26, July 20, 2021 (EDT)

These really are some sick people

9 January 2017 - Obama White House lifted the ban on gain-of-function research.^[1]^[2]
11 January 2017 - Anthony Fauci made a presentation at Georgetown University stating that there is “no doubt” Donald J. Trump will be confronted with a surprise infectious disease outbreak during his presidency.^[3] Biden chief of staff Ron Klain was also in attendance.^[4]

If they can't have their way, nobody can have their way. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:47, July 20, 2021 (EDT)

On January 5, 2017, Biden, Obama Susan Rice, et al huddled in the Oval office to discuss how to extend the FISA warrant to spy on the Trump team beyond Obama's term office. On January 9 they activated the Fauci-Daszak-Shi Zhengli line as an insurance policy. On January 12 they reauthorized the FISA warrant for another 90 days, effectively subverting the Trump administration and nominees.

This is beyond partisanship. These people are willing to destroy the country if they can't have or remain in power. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:55, July 20, 2021 (EDT)

My understanding is that gain-of-function research continued throughout this period, ban or no ban. In November 2015, Shi and Baric published a paper describing how to insert a covid-like protein spike into a SARS virus. If that's not suspicious, what is? This was financed by Fauci's institute, despite Obama's ban at the time. The P3 regulations issued in January 2017 were even less effective. No grants were approved under this process. The real procedure throughout this period seems to have been that Fauci and Collins approved whatever research they liked and ignored published regulations.[43][44] PeterKa (talk) 22:04, July 20, 2021 (EDT)

Yes, the research did continue throughout "the pause" as they call it, probably funded by the CCP and other public and private funders (even EcoAlliance probably had a reserve fund). When funding did resume, Fauci did not pass the project before the mandatory P3 review board for approval. So it was illegal. RobS^{Free Kyle!}

(sidenote: the people who dole out grants, and the recipients, seem to always get more than they need, stash away portions in "rainy day" funds, should political existencies ever get in the way of long term projects). RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:40, July 20, 2021 (EDT)

It's looking more and more like the pandemic was another "insurance policy in the event you die before you are 40".

Politico: Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918’ .

Thus far, I've linked Ron Klain (Trump is "not the kind of leadership we need in our next president....It’s hard to think of a more important time to show a willingness to speak out in the public health community and the global health community than it is right now on the eve of Donald Trump becoming our next president.”) and Lisa Monaco.

Funding to the Wuhan lab became effective Dec. 17, 2017.
Lisa Monaco: The Next Pandemic Will Be Arriving Shortly, September 28, 2018.

So, just as the Carter Page FISA warrant was an insurance policy to cover all the Obama administration's illegal spying on the Trump campaign, thwart his cabinet and staff picks, and derail his administration, the plandemic was an insurance policy against his re-election. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:13, July 21, 2021 (EDT)

Understanding the mindset

When the Trinity nuclear test explosion occurred, the United States had troops who were enlisted to fight fascism in trenches 90 yards from ground zero, just to see what would happen. They were incinerated, of course (I will hold back the Nazi medical experiments comparison). Or the cases of feeding radioactive oatmeal to retarded children in CIA experiments of the 1950s. These people, who currently re-constitute the Biden junta, attitude toward human life and the American population is no different. It's no different than the "progress" Mao brought to China in 1950s and 60s. They have no compunction in snuffing out your life in the name of social, political, and most importantly scientific progress. Do not be fooled by anything that comes out their mouths, from Xi Jnping, to his underling Joe Biden, to Jen Paski at the bottom of the totem poll, or anybody in between in the administration or Congress, or outside government, in media, in academia, in large corporations. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:30, July 21, 2021 (EDT)

2020 polls were the least accurate in 40 years

The national polls in the last two weeks of the 2020 campaign were off by an average of 4.5 points. The state-by-state polls were off by 5.1 points. The errors were always in Biden's favor. The pollsters have now exhaustively analyzed their performance -- and they are happy with it. You see, accuracy is not what they are after. Modern polling is all about telling Dems what they want to hear. In short, just follow IBD and Trafalgar Group and forget the rest. See "Pollsters: ‘Impossible’ to say why 2020 polls were wrong" and "Pollsters Studying Why 2020 Predictions Were So Wrong Decide to Blame President Trump Saying Mean Things About Them." PeterKa (talk) 20:48, July 20, 2021 (EDT)

Preserving the relics of Jim Crow

Biden is not backing off his claim that the filibuster is "a relic of Jim Crow." So should we abolish it? Not so fast! That would, "throw the entire Congress into chaos, and nothing would get done."[45] How do we square this circle? Biden is a racist and proud of it? Or maybe he is pro-chaos?

It hardly matters that Biden made a hash of the real history of the filibuster. Senate Rule 22, the filibuster rule, was adopted in 1917 as a result of a debate concerning the arming of merchant ships in World War I. It was revised by a liberal Senate in the early 1970s to create the current "silent filibuster." PeterKa (talk) 19:45, July 22, 2021 (EDT)

The original filibuster was 2/3; it was lowered to 3/5 in the 1970s. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:03, July 22, 2021 (EDT)

That was the post-Watergate Senate in 1975, one of the most liberal ever. Under the Articles of Confederation, you needed at least nine of the thirteen states to enact a law. Perhaps this was a precedent for two-thirds rule that was established in 1917. PeterKa (talk) 20:59, July 22, 2021 (EDT)

I had a good source on the history of the filibuster a few weeks ago and didn't save somewhere. If I recollect, it was something like 3/4 vote by tradition from the 1840s on til 1917 when they made a 2/3 rule in writing, I think. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:21, July 22, 2021 (EDT)

Prior to 1917, there were no time limits. That was the big difference. In 1917 they imposed time limits and a test vote to break it. Before that, if you couldn't break a consensus (by whatever definition) by a headcount, off the floor, a bill simply never got voted on in that session. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:25, July 22, 2021 (EDT)

IOWs, after 1917 came Cloture votes, and time limits. The time limits weren't really put to the test until the 1964 Civil Rights Act. By 1975, enough Senators agreed that a filibuster that everyone knew would fail was just a waste of time, so they reformed the system by redefining consensus. Filibusters today are all on paper, rather than speeches on the floor. You get 41 signatures on a piece of paper, and it prevents the Majority Leader from scheduling a vote on the floor. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:34, July 22, 2021 (EDT)

When one senator finally gets bought off or defects to the other side, he or the Majority Leader files a Cloture Motion, and a Cloture vote is scheduled. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:41, July 22, 2021 (EDT)

During the original filibuster in 1837, Calhoun dared the Senate to pass a "gag rule" to end it. This suggests that the Senate could have ended this filibuster by a majority vote. Later, the Senate used a procedure called "suspension of the rules" to end filibusters. This was abolished in 1915. From 1915 to 1917, there was a curious period when there was no rule to prevent even a single senator from blocking legislation. PeterKa (talk) 21:43, July 22, 2021 (EDT)

Hmmm, wow. And the main issue in those days was to expand in the national debt under the gold standard. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:50, July 22, 2021 (EDT)

"under the gold standard" being key to understanding. Under the gold standard, the government was not free to print its way out of debt with inflation. The real debt, in real money, with the labor of real workers and citizens, was the only way to repay the debt. RobS^{Free Kyle!}

The filibuster, and Senate's tradition of "endless debate", begins with the premise that there are certain things that we will never agree on. So it protects the rights of the minority, against the tyranny of the majority.

Now, the 3/5's rule on House apportionment also plays a part here. Democrats were overrepresented in the House under the 3/5's apportionment rule prior to the Civil War. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:01, July 22, 2021 (EDT)

Pre-Civil War, the filibuster was sometimes used as a check on the Democrats overrepresentation in the House under the 3/5ths apportionment clause, what was called the Democrats' Slave Power. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:53, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

You really don't check, do you?

In your desperate haste to use something, anything to smear your opponents with, you've included a link on the Main Page that says this: "the biggest violators of human rights in the world today are China, a Communist state, and USA, a secular state".

What's this now? Don't you love your country? Tsk tsk, "conservatives". Wilhelm Tell (talk) 10:29, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

Wow, just wow. Just as i suspected, cherry picking.

IMO, MPR should be used for headlines, and not Essay space. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:49, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

Google trends shows a declining global interest in the keyword "atheism" and various nations have a declining interest in the keyword "atheism" too such as the USA, UK, India, Pakistan, etc. And a news website reported on this matter.[46] That is simply a fact. It's not a smear. That the news website has stories on other matters is incidental.

Recently, I listened to a podcast by Dr. Darrell Bock where he discusses his book Cultural Intelligence: Living for God in a Diverse, Pluralistic World.[47] He pointed out that the Bible says that Christians should be diplomatic to unbelievers. And he pointed out that the Apostle Paul was very diplomatic on Mars Hill where he spoke to the Athenians.

As a result, I have decided to be more diplomatic. So I am not going to lock horns with this person who is clearly spoiling for a fight.

I will briefly say that atheistic ideology historically has the worst human rights record. See: Atheism and human rights violations and Atheism and mass murder

"Fighting not good. Someone always get hurt." - Mr. Miyagi, The Karate Kid[48] Conservative (talk) 18:10, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

Well, he's right about the source. It could have been disclaimed, if you felt the need to use it. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:28, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

Disclaimers are easy. You say something like, "The commie leftist site blablabla reports....", or "Even the commie leftist site blablabla says....", or "According to the commie leftist site blablabla...", rather than just tossing it out there as a well-researched fact or something you agree with. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:36, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

The source was right about the Google trends data concerning atheism. See also: Google trends - Atheism and agnosticism terms

In addition, I cite:

General atheism/agnostic terms - World

Google trends - atheism - India

General atheism/agnostic terms - USA

General atheism/agnostic terms - UK

The fallacy of composition arises when an individual assumes something is true of the whole just because it is true of some part of the whole. I could also mention the genetic fallacy. In short, just because a source is wrong about one matter, doesn't mean it is wrong about all matters. Conservative (talk) 19:41, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

I'm not debating with you the substance of the article. The point here is the failure to disclaim the source, which boomerangs on (1) you, (2) the source, and (3) your argument. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:46, July 23, 2021 (EDT

I don't think Wm Tell was spoiling for a fight. He did you a favor, pointing out sloppy research. Just fix it with a disclaimer or bury it. Don't take it personal, and use the criticism to become a more diligent editor. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:53, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

A final message to User: Wilhelm Tell: I would also point out that I am merely a sojourner in the world and the USA. And empires, countries, ideologies and news websites come and go. But truth is enduring. And I reported correctly on the Google trends data and so did my source.

A message to RobS: I disclaim nothing. I stand by the article I cited and the information in it. Conservative (talk) 19:56, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

RobS, it is a general Indian news website. It is not some commie/liberal website. India is pretty conservative country (marriage, male/female roles, etc.). Just because you disagree with a website's particular article doesn't make it communist and liberal website. That is very myopic thinking.

The US foreign policy was not very good from Bill Clinton to Obama. G.W. Bush's Iraqi war was a mess in terms of needless deaths. So it not surprising that the USA has critics in terms of its human rights record. That is one of the reasons why Donald Trump was elected. Americans were sick of needless and costly wars and military escapades.

The history of man is full of bloodshed. No country's hands are clean. It is just a matter of degrees. To think otherwise, is to not know history and to engage in utopian thinking. On the whole, when you compare to USA's human right's history with many others, it is respectable. The USA has a lot of freedom and prosperity compared to many countries - certainly more than in China. Conservative (talk) 20:17, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

I looked at the bottom of the pages of OpIndia. It appears to be a right-wing, nationalist Indian website that is an alternative to mainstream Indian news websites. It is certainly not a communist website. Conservative (talk) 20:37, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

I spoke a little early, I forgot or didn't realize that you actually did cite the source by name on MPR. Sorry. But as Wm Tell suggests, perhpas a bit more qualification to disclaim the source. You can simply use the author's name for economy of space, rather than the site name or characterizing it as such-and-such. This at least detaches it from yourself, and still stands as a statement of fact. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:54, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

Like this: "According to Joe Blow: Blablabla..." 20:57, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

I triple down on not disclaiming. I almost feel sorry for the conservatives who give groveling apologies to secular leftists.

"The third thing to remember when undergoing an SJW-attack is to never apologize for anything you have done." - Vox Day, author of SJWs always lie.

Martin Luther is one of my heroes.

"Here I stand I stand. I can do no other". Conservative (talk) 23:32, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

Conservative, please answer a question, a simple question: Suppose someone removed books from the bible, would you view them with reverence or with scorn? I'm asking because that's EXACTLY what Martin Luther did during his revolt, so I'd probably not consider him a hero if you're against removing books from the bible. I know if I were in your situation and I viewed him as a hero initially, learning he removed books from the bible would be more than enough to pull a 180 and view him as a monster overnight. Heck, James 2:24, one of the books he removed, promoted merit, a key ingredient to Capitalism and especially the work ethic, so you can't even call it the Protestant Work Ethic since the protestants under Luther if anything tried to GUT the work ethic. Pokeria1 (talk) 07:49, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Bzzzt...wrong. James 2:24 does not promise a reward for work.

All it says is that works are evidence of faith. It is not an offer from God for a quid pro quo. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 08:40, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

I don't think you understand. It was moved to the appendix because it advocated for a merit-based system, which conflicts with Luther's "faith alone" policy, meaning it was not considered part of the bible if it's not in the specific text (appendices don't count as being part of the actual bible). Either way, you still haven't answered the question of how you'd feel about someone removing books from the bible (and yes, moving it to the appendix counts as removing them). Pokeria1 (talk) 16:05, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Bzzzt...wrong again. You do not have to prove your faith to man [people] for salvation. This passage specifically addresses the problem of proving your sincerity (for example, in preaching the gospel) to men [people], not God. Further, the passage (a) makes no promise of reward, and (b) does not imply that salvation comes from man [people] for displaying goods works. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:12, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Did you even READ the article in question? It specifically stated that Luther removed it due to doctrinal issues from his personal views. I'll even quote it for you with emphasis added.

"In the 16th century, Martin Luther adopted the Jewish list, putting the Deuterocanonical books in an appendix. He also put the letter of James, the letter to the Hebrews, the letters of John, and the book of Revelation from the New Testament in an appendix. He did this for doctrinal reasons (for example: 2 Maccabees 12:43-46 supports the doctrine of purgatory, Hebrews supports the existence of the priesthood, and James 2:24 supports the Catholic doctrine on merit). Later Lutherans followed Luther’s Old Testament list and rejected the Deuterocanonical books, but they did not follow his rejection of the New Testament books."

Either way, I was talking to Conservative when trying to point out that his hero Martin Luther removed books from the Bible, even going as far as to remove books from the New Testament, and he STILL hasn't answered the question on what he thinks of people who remove books from the bible. Pokeria1 (talk) 06:57, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

Are we still recycling that old, lame argument?

Whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do,
Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

Is God some kinda idiot, that he can't make himself understood? Oh, do we need it spelled out in the NT?

If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.

Martin Luther has zero, nothing, absolutely nothing to do with understanding James 2:24. The answer to that question is strictly between you, and God. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 08:07, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

Actually, my point with the argument was trying to address to Conservative here that his hero Martin Luther removed books from the bible and demanded to know what Conservative's views were on removing books from the Holy Book. I wasn't even originally planning on adding James 2:24 until I saw that bit in the article and, remembering his constantly referring to Capitalism as the protestant work ethic decided to point out that Luther, the guy who founded Protestantism if anything tried to get RID of the work ethic, aka, merit. And no, God, an omniscient being, is NOT an idiot, obviously. Pokeria1 (talk) 08:20, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

bla bla bla

For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 09:56, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

Lemme 'splain (and this has nothing to do with the truth or validity of the scripture): Martin Luther, a flawed man who would be the first to admit it, saw 406 years ago some idiots might get confused by James 406 years hence, so he tossed it out. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:00, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

IOWs (to put it bluntly) Martin Luther was trying to do people like yourself a favor, the prevent them from looking like idiots. But you wanna keep stepping in the doggie doodoo. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:15, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

Wow. You could not be more wrong. The issue is information in a citation that you provided that is wrong ("the biggest violators of human rights in the world today are China, a Communist state, and USA, a secular state"). And your only response is "Here I stand." Wow. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:26, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

I am not going to check every article on a website before I share an article online. That's a ridiculous and unreasonable standard. Guilt by association is a logical fallacy. Conservative (talk) 01:34, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

RobS, I misunderstood. I thought there was another article on the website that contained that errant quote. I did not know it was in the same article that I shared. I did not read the entire article as I am very familiar with online atheism statistics. I deleted the article from main page right. Conservative (talk) 01:38, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Zhengzhou flooding

Q. What happened?

Heavy rains caused workers at a reservoir to open the flood gates. People downstream in a city of 12 million were not notified for 13 hours. 6,000 commuters drowned in an underground tunnel 5.5 km long, and hundreds died in underground subways.

CCP/Western MSM/CNN version:

A once in a 1,000 year heavy rain, caused by global warming, caused 200mm or three months' average rainfall to fall in 1 hour, causing 33 deaths. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 07:27, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Or a judgement of God for the communist persecution of the Christians.[49] It's tough to determine the ultimate cause of the heavy rain. It does seem to be of biblical proportions! Conservative (talk) 09:27, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

"With pestilence and bloodshed I will enter into judgment with him, and I will rain upon him and his hordes and the many peoples who are with him torrential rains and hailstones, fire and sulfur." - Ezekiel 38:22.

It seems to me that China has had quite a bit of pestilence and rain in the past year or two. Conservative (talk) 09:25, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Interesting insights but I haven't been able to find any online corroboration. Do you have a source for the 6000+ dead? Rafael (talk) 09:49, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

The estimate is based on 2 persons per vehicle in the tunnel that hold a maximum capacity of approximately 3,000 vehicles in bumper-to-bumper rush hour traffic. The tunnel was completely flooded in about 5 minutes, as drivers continued to enter it in rush hour traffic.

The estimate of 2 persons per vehicle is a bit high by U.S. standards, but can probably be taken at face value for urban Chinese commuters.

I posted a summary of this 39 min video. The lady's English is not the best, but I've watched the video in its entirety more than twice now. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:42, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Ultimately, it will be the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation which will publish official figure based on the evidence. In the case of the early Wuhan epidemic, which claimed over 45,000 lives in two or three months (versus the official CCP figure of 3,000 used by Johns Hopkins science experts), the Victims of Communism Foundation was fairly timely in publishing a figure. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:57, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Here's an excerpted portion from the Youtube-generated transcript (I tried to correct a few errors):

again you see only beautiful or not too bad images; you won't see any of the real situation. this is what the ccp is allowing you to see. you will never see the videos i show you. so now let's place uh another video. say yes, so the left side is how the ccp is report about the flood and the right side is the real situation in Zhengzhou. can you see the difference[?] what worries me is the western media either because they don't have reporters inside china or because they just want to repeat what the ccp is saying are basically just copying or using ccp's images or videos about the flat [flood] and they also adopted the ccp's official dash [death] number as just as they did during the ccp virus or covet 19 pandemic. i saw an audience member in holland saying that the tv news in holland was just repeating cctv's positive news and the mainstream media in the u.s such as nbc abc cnn reuters are all saying that this is a once in a thousand years heavy rain resulting from global warming etc. no mentioning of the human errors, city construction problems, or man-made tragedies...

Thousands of Cars Could Have Been Submerged in a 5-Mile Tunnel in China
Chinese people were already livid at the CCP, then came the floods. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:16, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
Update: Tollbooth takers refused to lift the gates, traffic backed up in the tunnel, which means the tunnel was probably even more crowded than if the vehicles were moving. Official death count: 56. This is socialism with Chinese characteristics. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:27, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
Update: "The flooding in Zhengzhou China is exposing something very wrong with the Chinese government, and they are not happy about it. The coverup is showing the cracks in the foundation of the CCP." [50] RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:42, July 30, 2021 (EDT)

Leftist British Press

Conservapedia continues to have a blind spot when it comes to the UK, the latest example being the comment about the Leftist British press.

The British press can be mapped across to axes: serious to trivial, and politically leftist to politically right. The Daily Mail, a newspaper often cited here as conservative, is somewhat conservative but tends to be socially liberal and, as a glance at it's website will show, very trivial.

In all, there are two leftist national newspapers in the UK: the Mirror and the Guardian. The rest are solidly aligned with the Conservative Party.

We can see the Conservative Party as stretching from David Cameron closest to the centre and Boris Johnson's backers to the right - we can leave Johnson out of this because he is at best a political opportunist with a personal life that would have him cashiered from any regiment of the British Army. Of the serious newspapers, the Times aligns with Camweron's centre right position.

Firmly on the right, we have the Daily Telegraph - home of James Delingpole who now runs Breitbart's UK office. For some reason, it is cited as part of the Leftist British press.

You have UK visitors. Check things with us. We won't even charge you, although prayers and blessings are always gratefully accepted! Rafael (talk) 09:48, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

The Telegraph now has a paywall. I suppose people can get around it using the Wayback Machine or by subscribing. Conservative (talk) 10:17, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

The Daily Mail is an interesting and very good case study as to what has happened to print publications since the 1990s and online mass communications. Prior to internet, the Daily Mail had a reputation like the U.S. National Enquirer, only it was published daily and not weekly. As it expanded its market with internet, like The Guardian, it recognized the gaps in the U.S., controlled mainstream media, and stepped in. It began to take steps to improve the quality of its reporting and reputation, covering subjects U.S. controlled MSM studiously avoided (The Guardian does the same thing). The domestic National Enquirer likewise has attempted to follow this marketing strategy, as The New York Times became hell-bent on destroying its own reputation (example: the Russia pee-tape).

So yes, it's true. Most American readers are not familiar with DM's UK reputation. But America is the land of opportunity, and so long as DM continues to be dedicated to improving the quality of its reputation and reporting, and the boldness it shows in tackling subjects the elitist-controlled MSM in the US deems off-limits, it does not need to invent things out of thin air like alien abductions. There is enough real life shockers with the Russia hoax, the laptop from hell, Jeffrey Epstein, the Clinton Foundation, etc etc etc for anyone. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:19, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Let's take The Guardian, for example; it was a Guardian reporter who a GOP candidate in remote Montana picked up and body-slammed for sticking a microphone in his face. Why does a reporter from the London equivalent of the Washington Post feel the need to take an airline flight to Montana (no direct flights, he has to transfer at Minneapolis, pay hotel bills, etc) to harass a Republican congressional candidate, to manufacture a global news story, for a story the domestic MSM would otherwise ignore? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:32, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for explaining the British media to me. Rafael (talk) 10:43, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Hey, we're the ones who have to live with this invasion of UK media. Question: Why does The Guardian feel the necessity to cover a Montana GOP candidate that the Helena Daily Rag, the Podunck Idaho Screed Sheet, the NYT, NBC, CNN, WaPo, etc, etc, etc ignore? Answer: Simple. The London commies are fearful a Trump-supporting congressman will vote to cut NATO, imperiling the UK's ability to fund the National Health System. Now, will the commie MSM in the US cover and explain b.s like this? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:23, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

I am glad the USA/UK have a very cordial relationship ("special relationship). It gives us great alternative news outlets and also a place to emigrate if the USA becomes intolerable at some point. Ireland is also a great potential place to emigrate. In addition, the UK gave us other alternatives to emigrate to such as The Commonwealth Countries.

Also, Pilgrim's Progress is my favorite fiction work. Conservative (talk) 14:52, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Kamala Harris and the 25th Amendment

I don't see anything happening on this front until January 2022.

Remember the text says that the most that any person can serve as President is 10 years. If she could get it invoked tomorrow, she could only serve one full term afterwards. BUT if she holds out until January 20th rolls around (or, to be safe, maybe the 22nd or 23rd) and then gets it invoked, she would serve less than a two-year period, thus allowing her to win two rigged elections for full terms. Thus allowing her to finish off the Republic once and for all (barring the End Times). Quidam65 (talk) 14:09, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

It will never happen. Liberals/leftists always double down. Joe Biden will resign first "to spend more time with his family". Or they will keep Joe Biden away from reporters/public and not agree to presidential debates if they have to.

Joe Biden and/or his advisors gave Kamala Harris the poison chalice of the Mexican border issue and now she is more unelectable. Kamala Harris is a political train wreck. Conservative (talk) 14:32, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

We'd have to look at the language of the 22th Amendment a little closer. As I understand it, a person is limited to being elected twice and two years of his/hers/their/they/them/its (assuming they're human and not a nanoclone) predecessor's term, which could mean the actual limitation is ten years. Am I right? If so, Kamala could take over tomorrow, stuff the ballot box twice, and be forced to hand over the reins of power about 18 months before the end of her second term. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:37, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

It's a peculiar provision in the constitution. If the above scenario came about, in the 2028 election, one candidate would be running for a four year term, whereas the other ticket both candidates would be running for president, the public knowing the VP will become president for the 18 month remainder of the four year term. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:49, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

The drafters of the 22nd Amendment erred on the side of longterm continuity, rather than short-term chaos and instability. Why should a popular VP who succeeds to office be penalized and limited, and the voters restricted in their choice for a popular figure, because of the unfortunate death a predecessor? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:55, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Kamala is unelectable in a national election. She has all the likelability and charisma of a dead, rotting fish. At most, she has all the likeability and charisma of a skunk. A video of Kamala campaigning can be found HERE. Conservative (talk) 22:31, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Actually, we're not discussing the electability of Kamala Harris. We are discussing the internal division within the junta between the establishment Biden faction and the progressive Kamala faction, their ongoing efforts to subvert each other. Kamala holds a trump card with the 25th Amendment, so the establishment Biden faction is waging a PR war to demonize Harris with leaks. Biden is fighting off a coup from his VP.

Biden had no say in selecting Kamala - it was the price he paid Rep. Jim Clyburn for his support on the eve of the Super Tuesday primary, when Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and other contenders dropped out. Clyburn and the Obama power base delivered the black vote to Biden in exchange for their picking the VP spot for their return to power, knowing Biden was unlikely to finish his term. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:47, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Political partisans, news information bubbles, confirmation bias and the coronavirus pandemic.

"A 2012 survey conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University asked a sample of Americans about their news-consumption habits, and quizzed them about U.S. and international political and economic events. They found that those watching the most partisan television news sources—on both the left and the right — were often less knowledgeable about world events than those who consumed no news at all." - Arthur C. Brooks (former president of the American Enterpise Institute) [51]

I am glad I read a variety of sources about the coronavirus pandemic and did not drink the Kool-Aid that various parts of the political pendulum were peddling. Conservative (talk) 15:50, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

"Like, I mean, if there is some disease out there — maybe there’s just an ebb and flow to life where something’s supposed to wipe out a certain amount of people, and that’s just kind of the way evolution goes. Vaccines kind of stand in the way of that.” - Rob Schmitt, A right-wing, anchor at Newsmax and former anchor at Fox News[52]

What's next the war on antiobiotics, pharmaceuticals and surgeries?Conservative (talk) 16:31, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

On the liberal/leftists side of the political spectrum, we had the ignoring and/or foolish criticism of Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment (which is a great way to treat coronavirus patients).Conservative (talk) 16:39, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

<ahem, Cons, you and Karajou swallowed the CCP/Fauci line about the bat-stew flu hook, line, and sinker from the gitgo.> RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:47, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Early on, I added material about the lab theory to an article of mine when it was suggested to me to do so. See: Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic.Conservative (talk) 20:09, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

P.S. Rob "Biden Junta" Smith, I hope you are not saying you are more open-minded and reasonable than me! Conservative (talk) 20:15, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

RobS, I have one very emphatic word for you: FINLAND! See: Essay: An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland..

Finland handled the pandemic better than the USA.

The USA is going to find out the price of freedom and the price of having a poor educational system, poor journalism and substandard politicians. I predict Finland will keep weathering the pandemic storm well.

Finland has a lot of freedom and it also has a better educational system, better journalism and better politicians than many countries. Conservative (talk) 19:44, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

That's after the fact. I'm referring to initial reporting. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:55, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

"According to the article Understanding Finnish Culture is Key to Thriving in Finland, "Finns have a reputation for reticence, thoughtfulness and unemotional behavior. They are quiet, reflective, somber and, for some, seemingly stubborn and standoffish. They are unwilling to speak unless they have something of importance to say. There is a saying that when a Finn says something, they really mean it."[53]

Finland in July of 2021: "Most of the infections are currently traced to domestic sources, such as the gatherings of young people in bars. With almost 60 per cent of the infections reported last week were detected in 10–29-year-olds, young people and young adults should both reduce social contacts that increase the risk of infection and get vaccinated as soon as possible, according to THL. Vaccine uptake has improved rapidly also in the age group, with more than a half of over 20-year-olds receiving the first vaccine injection."[54]

My projection: The thoughtful and adaptable Finns are going to handle the pandemic better than stubborn Americans who attended public schools with low standards.[55] Conservative (talk) 19:59, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

A poll by The Associated Press and the NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that 35% of American adults who have not yet received a vaccine say they probably will not get the shot, and 45% say they definitely will not.[56]

Many Americans are going to find out the price of stubbornness and/or the price of being poorly educated. Conservative (talk) 20:03, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Go ahead, ignore what I said. Your blathering is after the fact. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:13, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

You are just as responsible for spreading covid misinformation as the CCP and Dr. Fauci. No citation can bail you out. The more you talk, the deeper the hole you dig. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:16, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Again, early on, I added material about the lab theory to an article of mine when it was suggested to me to do so. See: Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic.

I just posted above: Rob "Biden Junta" Smith, I hope you are not saying you are more open-minded and reasonable than me! Conservative (talk) 20:17, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

You parroted the CCP/Fauci line from the beginning. It's a fact anyone can easily check. Incidentally, Per Conservapedia, the United States is a Constitutional Republic(de jure) Junta (de facto). I didn't put it there. If you think the election was not stolen and wish to parrot the DNC/MSM party line, go ahead and revert. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:20, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

"Junta: In modern usage it refers to a military council that rules a country following a coup d'état, before constitutional rule is restored. In Latin America juntas are normally formed by the chiefs of the army, air force, and navy." - Oxford Reference.[57]

There is no Biden junta. Keep being a partisan and stubborn American. If only you were more like the present-day Finnish with a cultural heritage of Protestantism.

"Why can't a partisan American be more like a Finn with a cultural heritage of Protestantism? Finns are so honest, so thoroughly square; Eternally noble, historically fair. Who, when you win, will always give your back a pat. Why can't a partisan American be like that? One Finn in a million may shout a bit. Now and then, there's one with slight defects. One perhaps whose truthfulness you doubt a bit, But by and large they are a marvelous nation!" - Henry Higgins, My Fair Lady (Very loosely paraphrased)[58] Conservative (talk) 20:35, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

"modern usage", you mean the American Marxist-controlled MSM usage. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:03, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Update on Finland. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:08, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

The native Finns are assuming that their Muslim immigrants are as reasonable as them. Tragic mistake! Well being Finns, I am sure they will learn quickly from their mistake in this matter. Conservative (talk) 22:27, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

In America, we call Finns 'Yoopers'. Be forewarned: they have the strangest sense of humor you'll ever meet, and a pastie is not something a stripper wears, it's the driest Hot Pocket you'll ever choke on without gravy. And that Lake Superior whitefish is about as appetizing as Lutefisk all those Swedes and Norwegians in the Mini Apple love. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:18, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

I love pasties. I ate some in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. And if I am not mistaken gravy or ketchup is usually put on them.[59] At the places I bought pasties, they had gravy with them.Conservative (talk) 06:54, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Well, according to Yoopers, they made them for miners to carry into the mines in their pockets, so they must have ate them cold. But even though they're available everywhere in the UP, even at gas stations, they could use a little ketchup or gravy. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 07:50, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

And Yoopers called Lower Michaganders below the bridge Trolls long before it entered internet slang, so they still respectfully use a capital "T" to deliniate. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 07:57, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

God emperor Trump: Chosen by heaven

Viareggio is a city in Tuscany whose carnival should be a lot more famous: All embrace me. It's my time to rule at last. Fifteen years have all been waiting. No man alive or dead commands me. I answer to the Lord. Hear my orders. Question me and die. PeterKa (talk) 05:22, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

I never liked the whole "God emperor Trump". It's a cult of personality type thinking. See: Essay: 12 signs American politics is becoming more cultlike. Conservative (talk) 07:06, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Become? We're already there since the founding of this country with our reverence of the Founding Fathers instead of having an explicit dedication of Jesus Christ, our lord and savior. Ask Christopher A. Ferrara. But I do agree that "God Emperor Trump" isn't a good way at all. I may respect the guy, but I don't view him as a God. There's only one God. Pokeria1 (talk) 07:52, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

You should click and watch the video. I found it entertaining (and guaranteed to trigger liberals). The lyrics say "I answer to the Lord." That's pretty orthodox for a modern-day pop tune. PeterKa (talk) 09:05, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Italian "scientist" is actually a model, actress and television personality

Italian "scientist" Eleonora Brigliadori is actually a model, actress and television personality. The "In the News" item "Italian scientist warns against graphene" should be corrected to read "Italian media personality. warns against graphene". — Dave Wilcox (talk) 22:47, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Hmmm? "I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV?" How come the American MSM shut off real doctors in white lab coats when they tried to inform the American public about the scam? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:55, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Jesus: "I am the way, the truth, and the life."

Fauci: "To attack me is to attack science and truth."

What are we suppose to believe? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:57, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Looks like some anonymous troll put some uncited original research in Wikipedia. [60] Wikipedia leftists really need to revise how they set up smears and slanders. It's getting old. No wonder nobody believes them anymore RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:05, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

So let's get back to the main point, the term "scientist". Is Bill Gates a scientist? Is Dr. Fauci a scientist? Is attacking Fauci attacking science? Is attacking Fauci attacking truth? Now, if we can receive clear explanations to these questions, the OP may have raised a valid point. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:09, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

I didn't get the information about Eleanora Brigliadori from Wikipedia. It was in a comment under the Rumble video to which the "In the News" entry linked. In fact, subsequent to my comment on 25 July the title of the video was changed from "Italian Doctor Warns 18 Months After Taking "Vaccine" People Will Start Dropping Like Flies" to "Italian Actress Warns 18 Months After Taking "Vaccine" People Will Start Dropping Like Flies". A cursory search using DuckDuckGo seems to confirm it. No mention of Brigliadori being a scientist or doctor. — Dave Wilcox (talk) 14:51, July 31, 2021 (EDT)

Oh good. What is a scientist? Something holy? A title conferred? Seems to me anyone who can add and two and two to make four qualifies as a scientist. But I have scientific evidence to make valid doubts about many who claim the coveted title. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:57, July 31, 2021 (EDT)

The 2024 election page is up

The page is here. Feel free to update it as you wish!--Geopolitician (talk) 13:36, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

First things first. Where's the 2022 Midterm elections page? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:22, July 31, 2021 (EDT)

The most devastating video on the Internet

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1420195710750838792 RobS^{Free Kyle!} 07:49, July 28, 2021 (EDT)

Russian collusion

In just six months, America has gone from being an oil exporter to an oil importer, with Russia being our second biggest supplier. [61] That, with the Nord Stream II pipeline, is making Vladimir Putin rich. Why aren't we talking about it? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:17, July 31, 2021 (EDT)

I got my vaccine

I got my first covid vaccine shot yesterday. My arm is still a bit sore, but basically I've had no reaction worth mentioning. Just before they give you the vaccine, they tell you that it is experimental and that it doesn't have FDA approval. So we are all guinea pigs.

According to the CDC, 50 percent of Americans are fully vaccinated and 60 percent have had at least one dose. If you look at the chart, Americans over 40 have all been vaccinated. Teenagers are the least likely to be vaccinated. Yet the media tells us that vaccine resistance is a right-wing conspiracy.

The Wall Street Journal has an op-ed by former junk bond kingpin Michael Milken that calls for a huge increase in virus research: "Covid Is the 21st Century’s Sputnik." Bill Gates, Fauci's closest email buddy, has been financing both vaccine education as well as the efforts to develop genetically engineered coronaviruses in Wuhan. In short, it was a giant blackmail scheme. It reminds me of the anthrax mailings. In that case, the perpetrator was a bioweapons scientist (Bruce Ivins) who didn't think his field was getting enough funding. FBI Director Robert Muller manipulated Ivins into committing suicide, which suggests the evidence against him was shaky. Gates and his minions need to do some hard time. PeterKa (talk) 11:16, August 1, 2021 (EDT)

The Democrat's latest tactic is demonizing the unvaccinated, see Brietbart. If you think that the vaccine protects you, why would you worry about whether others are vaccinated or not? PeterKa (talk) 14:47, August 1, 2021 (EDT)

They're not even pretending anymore with Arbeit Macht Frei; they're only too willing to cut everybody an unemployment check. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:14, August 1, 2021 (EDT)

If you are under 30, your chance of dying of covid is one in 100,000. So the goal of full vaccination is someone on a power trip.[62] PeterKa (talk) 02:49, August 2, 2021 (EDT)

The two cites linked here ([4]&[5}) in this one sentence stub explain what is happening: Delta variant panic. The Dems need lockdowns by Oct-Nov. next year to stuff the ballot box again with mail-in ballots for the Midterms.

Bottomline: coronavirus and its variants are permanently with the human species now, like polio, Ebola, the common cold, etc. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:26, August 2, 2021 (EDT)

DOJ agrees to release Trump's taxes

The Biden DOJ has issued a memo directing the IRS to provide Trump's tax returns to a trio of congressional committees that have subpoenaed them.[63] This case went before the U.S. Supreme Court in July 2020. The court ruled that a sitting U.S. president could be exempt because of separation of powers concerns. To overrule the court and release the returns anyway is a partisan exercise. The next time Republicans gain control of either the House or the Senate, they should subpoena the tax returns of Pelosi and the other Dem leaders. Hey, no separation of powers or constitutional issue there.

There are of course financial disclosure laws for presidential candidates. But these do not require the release of tax returns. So why do candidates release them? This is often seen as a "good government" issue. But that's not actually the reason candidates do it. Back in 1973, someone at the IRS leaked Nixon's returns. Since that time, candidates have figured that they are better off releasing their returns themselves. PeterKa (talk) 22:13, August 1, 2021 (EDT)

Paul Roberts Denialism

Why are the deranged views of Paul Roberts being promoted on the Main Page? He uses the same warped criticism of Covid vaccines as he does for holocaust denial. Is this the slippery slope Conservapedia wants to pursue? [64]

I see Roberts is also a 9/11 Truther.[65] PeterKa (talk) 15:41, August 2, 2021 (EDT)

Roberts' record speaks for itself. He was United States Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy under Reagan and helped defeat the Soviet Union and end the Cold War. He's seen the Deep State close up, and never became part of it. Does he hold some controversial views? Perhaps. Will leftist smears and MSM rot destroy him? I think not. RobS^{Free Kyle!}

Roberts had a big hand in crafting the economic recovery Russia and the United States have endured since 1981, freeing both economies from the leftist totalitarian stranglehold both economies suffered from the 1930s on (and in the case of Russia, before). Roberts was Treasury Undersecretary during the Reagan defense buildup (which gave us internet, cell phones, etc., and Democrats said would never work), while the KGB's only response was global warming hoax propaganda and Marxist infiltration of American public schools. In many ways, Roberts is an architect of the modern world. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:36, August 2, 2021 (EDT)

Roberts is not some punk Millenial shooting from the hip Twitter blather on public policy. Roberts speaks from experience, even before Trump, that a man can go to Washington, affect public policy and alter the disastrous course leftists have set for the planet, and remain independent, uncontaminated by Deep State bureaucrats and technocrats. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:49, August 2, 2021 (EDT)

Look what Wikipedia says:

Roberts has expressed skepticism at the ability of government to lower taxes and decrease regulation, positing that the personal political ambition of officeholders tends to promote meddling in the economy, a criticism he has directed even at the former Reagan administration of which he was a part.[22]

Ron Hira of the Economic Policy Institute has described Roberts as one of the first prominent economists to "break from the orthodoxy" by opposing offshoring; Roberts believes that the practice is "lethal for America's future".[23] According to him, "a country that doesn't make anything doesn’t need a financial sector as there is nothing to finance".[24] In 2004, Paul Blustein in the Washington Post described him as heretical in relation to mainstream US economics for challenging the positive impact of free trade.[25]

Wow. Prophetic. It was the Clinton globalists who sold us out to China and NAFTA. But it was Roberts in the Reagan era who championed new technology and "high technology" before the words "high tech" came into existence. Those spinoffs to the consumer market became internet and cell phones (in the parlance of the 1980s, it was known as "Tax cuts for R & D ", which the communist Democrats and MSM called "tax cuts for business" and "tax cuts for the rich". If not for Paul Roberts, you'd still be licking postage stamps). RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:13, August 2, 2021 (EDT)

Yes, Roberts has such experience. But many of his political views are absolutely horrid. Go spend some time on his website and you'll see what I (and PeterKa) are talking about.--Geopolitician (talk) 20:33, August 2, 2021 (EDT)

Yes, I'm very familiar with it. And yes, I take umbrage with some of his historical interpretations and understanding, vis a vis American history and World War II. Coming from the field of history, however, I won't criticize him for publishing the research - that needs to be done in the field of history - it is the nature of the craft. I'm weary of arguments often that go, "this disproves this or that". History is a field that just needs compilation, and readers can take their own conclusions, IMO. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:01, August 2, 2021 (EDT)

Brief comment on Robert's essay linked above: It is an historical consensus in Germany and the West that Hitler wanted World War II to begin over the Sudeten crisis. He was robbed of his war, and knew it. Hitler knew the delay of one year only gave more time to the U.S., Soviet Union, and Great Britain to prepare for a war they all knew was inevitable. Had Hitler had his war in 1938, the outcome most certainly could have been different.

This leads to a discussion about what German historians call Functionalism vs. Intentionalism. Why did Hitler begin a war he knew he would lose? Intentionalism is the answer. Hitler never expected to conquer the Soviet Union, he intended to bring about the Holocaust.

As to the Churchill/Stalin alliance that FDR used to preserve capitalist Imperialism, that's another matter which Roberts, unfortunately, co-mingles with Intentionalism. That's all that I can be say on that matter. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:32, August 2, 2021 (EDT)

So you are pro-appeasement? If the war had started in 1938, the allies would have started with the Sudeten fortresses, which would have put Hitler at a disadvantage. Hitler may have been eager for war, but his generals were ready to stage a coup to prevent it. Roberts calls neo-Nazi David Irving "without any doubt the best historian of the European part of World War II." Here is a video on Irving by Tik, my favorite WWII blogger: "David Irving - Can you trust ANYTHING he wrote?"

When Obama made his deal with Iran, critics compared him to Chamberlain. The liberal media responded by bringing up all the old arguments for appeasement. The trick is to ignore the Sudeten fortresses and pretend that Chamberlain sacrificed nothing of value at the Munich conference. PeterKa (talk) 11:48, August 3, 2021 (EDT)

I am foresquare an intentionalist. In 1938, Hitler had a chance of securing his Lebensraum in Chechoslovakia, Poland and modern Belarus in a wider war. The war may have lasted to 1950 or 1952. By 1939, it was a gamble. The war was lost by February 1942. Hitler knew it, basically everybody knew it. So the remainder of the time was used in his extermination campaign - which was his intention all along, win or lose.

Appeasement, in retrospect, worked out. It became a dirty word, and was the cause of the U.S. involvement in Korea and Vietnam. In retrospect again, it was just the political rhetoric of the day. As Clausewitz said, if it is to your opponent's advantage to attack now, it is to your disadvantage to be attacked. In war, there has to be a mutual agreement to fight.

The United States and most of the planet are appeasing China right now.

As to Irving, never read him, but understand the jist of his argument. He's a functionalist. Yes, it is true, the British Empire went out of business 7 years after their finest hour. Basically, Hitler never understood why Britain was fighting against him. He always felt Germany and England should be natural allies, both racially and as capitalists, against Soviet communism. Bottomline: WWII cost Britain its empire, if you want to call that victory. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:49, August 3, 2021 (EDT)

Appeasement didn't work out so well back in 2004 with the Spaniards after the Muslims conducted their terror attack, nor did it work in Vichy France. Pokeria1 (talk) 20:50, August 14, 2021 (EDT)

Much is overblown about the 1938 Appeasement because much has been written about it. A little more than 15 years later, it was critics of the Munich pact that caused the UN to draw the line at the 38th parallel in Korea - without calculating the consequences. Both sides were known to have nuclear weapons, yet that consideration doesn't seem to have entered into the decision to go to war. Let me stress again, in war, there must be a mutual agreement to fight.

In the Second World War, the best illustration of this mutual understanding to fight was the war in North Africa, which accomplished little or nothing, consumed manpower and material, over territory nobody wanted. Gen. MacArthur was a huge critic of the North Africa campaign, claiming the wasted resources there should have been given to him to fight the Japanese in the Pacific. (Does anyone really believe Hitler wanted Lebensraum in Libya?)

By the time Hitler made his January 30, 1939 Reichstag speech, he knew his chance of winning a world war was less than a coin toss, and he was daring the West (Britain and France at that time) to not appease him one more time - and ultimately trying to share the blame or the guilt for his decision to move ahead with a "Final Solution" if they declared war. That was the purpose of announcing it publicly.

So let me be clear on my view - which I think is born out by historical facts. The 1938 Appeasement was not a standing policy. It was flexible, that could be changed in short order. Yet post-war writers and foreign policy experts treated it as if it was a policy written in stone, and forever to be avoided in the future. Why then did the West appease Xi Jinping when he just committed the same "Crimes Against Peace" and International Law last year that the Nuremberg defendants were accused of? or Putin did in 2014 in Crimea? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:17, August 15, 2021 (EDT)

The United States abandoned its policy of "not appeasing aggressors" in 2004 when it granted China Most Favored Nation trade status, after the Tiananmen massacre, knowing full well that there not only were no reforms, but Uyghur concentration camps and the slaughter of Falun Gong was ongoing. How now, do we walk back such bad decisions? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:43, August 15, 2021 (EDT)

Yeah, and it was a mistake that we did that back in 2004, that much I'll agree on. However, that still doesn't change that appeasement should NEVER be embraced, not even as a temporary measure (ie, flexible and to be changed in short order), especially when we've had far too many "flexible and to be changed in short order" strategies that became permanent (case in point, the lockdowns, social distancing, and masks, also the income tax) as it is. If you ask me, we should have gone down Xi Jinping's throat. Not that I even care about International Law violations at this point since we clearly didn't go after Stalin or Mao or Ho Chi Minh or any of those guys (and if anything, international law went against US during those times). In fact, the only country that I can think of that DID have international law actually applied to them was Cambodia for Pol Pot's genocides, and that was well after the fact. I'd even argue International Law was a mistake that shouldn't exist precisely because it rarely gets enforced (heck, Sartre technically committed crimes against peace by pretty much deliberately aiding in instigating Pol Pot's genocide and they reacted with chirping crickets). Che Guevara, BTW, blatantly admitted in 1964 to committing crimes against peace and international law in 1964 with that stump speech right to the UN's face, and not only did they not arrest him, they if anything cheered for him. Pokeria1 (talk) 05:37, August 15, 2021 (EDT)

The "never appease an aggressor" stance is just playing neighborhood tuff guy and bully. It's like when your little brother comes home all beat up, and you go out and beat up whoever did it, only to discover afterward he threw a rock through their window first.

The question of International Law is interesting. Germany did not have a lot of colonies, nor was very familiar with the Law of the High Seas, and many Germans before and during both World Wars argued that there was no such thing as "international law". The failed League of Nations made the case even stronger. But the Atlantic Charter (Angelo American alliance), the Nuremberg Tribunal, and the establishment of the UN pretty well ended that debate.

You really have to pick your fights. Japan tried to knock out the US with one punch at Pearl Harbor. When the sleeping giant awoke, there was now a mutual agreement to fight. Midway, like Stalingrad, decided the outcome of the war for Japan. And that was only 6 months after Pearl Harbor (Midway, incidentally, I always think of as the day the U.S. became a superpower, and never looked back until now).

Now a friend of mine, a veteran of WWII, told me Japan's big mistake was attacking the U.S.. That Japan should have just focused on driving the Brits out of the Pacific (Hong Kong, Indonesia, Singapore). Had that happened, the outcome for Japan and Germany could have been very different.

As a hegemon or Superpower, you always have to be on your toes not to fall for any provocation, which both your allies and enemies are always trying to get you involved in.

Bottomline, nowadays we respond to aggression with "targetted sanctions" rather than direct military force. Is it effective? In the long run, probably not. These international agreements need to be reworked. I'm with Putin, we need a Yalta II Summit, and India should be given a permanent seat on the U.N. Security Council. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 06:41, August 15, 2021 (EDT)

I wouldn't even say it ended the debate, especially when the UN basically became a front for the Soviet Union even with the Korean War, to say little about how they consistently aided the communists and far-left policies even after the Soviet Union fell, and conveniently turned a blind eye to, say, Nelson Mandela's terrorism. Had international law truly meant anything, they'd haul Mandela's sorry butt to Stockholm and found him guilty of war crimes and terrorism, for example. As far as never appease an aggressor, actually, that's not even close to bully talk, it's how you're supposed to deal with bullies if anything, never appease them. When you give bullies an inch, you give them a mile. In fact, what Bill Clinton did with al Qaeda during the 1990s WAS flat out appeasement, where he repeatedly turned down any attempts at dealing with Osama bin Laden, which eventually culminated in 9/11 and thus our even NEEDING to go to Afghanistan in the first place. Personally, our biggest mistake during World War II short of allying ourselves with Stalin was allying ourselves with Mao Zedong and stupidly letting him take control of China. Even New American had a huge call out on both Vinegar Joe and George Marshall for their bungling China. Had we just backed Pai Chek instead of Zedong, China probably won't be Communist to this day. Heck, we might have had a chance of averting the Yalta Conference resulting in Eastern Europe being turned communist had China avoided becoming communist. Heck, had we just assassinated Vladimir Lenin before he boarded that train in Germany, we wouldn't have either the USSR OR Nazi Germany (in fact, part of the reason why the Nazis were formed was in part due to Lenin and his antics, including his trying to do a huge invasion of Germany [yes, it was Germany he was targeting, not Poland. He was simply stopped there]). Marx's goals would have ended right then and there. All the Christian blood spilt by those commie jerks, was ultimately on us, because we failed to act decisively in stopping them, and in worse case scenario ended up if anything aiding them. Pokeria1 (talk) 09:25, August 15, 2021 (EDT)

Actually, it was Susan Rice in the Clinton White House who protected bin Laden, you know, the same Susan Rice whom Ric Grenell calls the 'shadow president' today. Allen Dullas, who ran State Dept. operations in Zurich in 1917 tells a funny story how one day he had a lunch date with a girl and was getting ready to leave when his secretary told him there was a visitor asking to see him. He peaked into the waiting room, saw a bald guy, and told his secretary to tell him to come back later so he wouldn't miss his lunch date. The man never came back. Sometime shortly afterward he saw his picture in the newspaper declaring the Soviet state in Moscow. And we now know it was Harry Dexter White who lost China. The problem was, he died almost two years before Republicans got around to asking "Who lost China?" RobS^{Free Kyle!} 09:45, August 15, 2021 (EDT)

As to the point about the Sudeten fortresses, they are indeed valid. The war Hitler wanted in 1938 (Hitler's War, so to speak) would not have been a frische und fröhliche krieg, as is often portrayed then and now. It would have been World War II, spilling over borders and engulfing neighboring countries. Appeasement - deciding to delay confrontation til a more opportune time, was the best decision. Political infighting in the West over such a stupid mainstream media and public relations term is what led to anti-appeasement policies, leading Washington D.C. politicians blindly into unending wars in Korea and Vietnam (so-called "Cold warriors" and "hardline hawks". Anti-appeasement sentiment is what built the military-industrial complex, which Ike himself rebelled against and Roberts has carried on the same tradition. Ironic, it is, that Ike, Trump, George Soros, and Paul Craig Roberts all see the death of America as bound up with its commitment to the military-industrial complex, U.S. hegemony, and the American empire). RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:48, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

Roberts does have valid points regarding American imperialism and its resulting crimes, yes. In that regard, he and I are very similar (ironic, given your obviously very different opinions of him and I). But what really turns me off about him is not just his reprehensible positions on WWII and the Holocaust, but also his many foreign policy advisories to countries like China, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Syria, Venezuela, and on at least one occasion ISIS. His disdain for American imperialism has mutated into hatred for the US itself, and now he's actively rooting for the other side to take retaliatory measures against the US, whatever the cost.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:04, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

For further clarification, here's the difference between him and I when if comes to opposing American imperialism. I'm the person who would go from "no war" to either "end the war" or "win the war" when a cold conflict becomes hot. He's the person who would go from "no war" to "I hope we lose" and "death to America" when a cold conflict becomes hot. Sometimes, the less prominent differences matter.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:04, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

So, in other words, from what you say, Roberts is exactly like George Lucas when he modeled the Rebel Alliance after the Vietcong and made no secret in wanting America to lose the Vietnam War? Pokeria1 (talk) 08:04, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

You have no idea what his "position" on the Holocaust is. In fact, you have no idea what David Irvings's "position" on the Holocaust is, either. 16:09, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Roberts is an economist, not a political commentator. He's in his 80s now, and sometimes, rarely, he comments on contemporary events. He writes occasional essays or reviews on historical publications. His basic philosophy comes thru, that government is a bad thing, not a good thing, and the modern world is insane for adopting the 20th century view, under Karl Marx and later the New Deal, that government is benevolent. It is precisely this view that led idiots (Dr. Fauci, for example) to trust in the benevolence of the PLA and the Communist slave masters. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:19, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

I'll grant you Fauci as well as the New Deal bit regarding viewing government as inherently benevolent and being stupid as a result, but Marx NEVER viewed government as benevolent, he viewed it as something to be destroyed alongside any class distinctions. Let's not forget, he advocated for a classless, stateless society, and last I checked, government IS the state. It's why those who are for the expansion of government are called "statists." Heck, he wanted an even gorier reenactment of the reign of terror by Robespierre, and it's unlikely he wouldn't have known about, say Grignon's orders at the Vendee due to his explicit admission he wanted revolutionary terror and didn't care if he was viewed as a monster after the fact. To sum it all up, Marx was not for government at all, he if anything was closer to an anarchist like Bakunin, with the only difference being HOW to implement it (it's the same difference as Hillary Clinton's infiltration style of revolution over Alinsky's more overt take down of society). Pokeria1 (talk) 08:02, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

You're right. I overstated the point. But you'll probably agree there are few people who can articulate Marx's vision as clearly as you did, let alone understand it. And virtually everybody, beginning with socialists themselves, all claim Socialism has never been achieved anywhere (witnesses the denials that the USSR was neither Socialist or Communist). Better than 95% of the people who wear or have worn the label of socialist are not really seeking a classless society, they want a sugar daddy to take care of them. 08:47, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

It's also the reason why I absolutely refuse to buy the claim that anarchists are right-wing, fitting as well as Nazis (in fact, I'd even argue that totalitarianism and anarchism are two sides of the exact same coin). And I wouldn't be too sure about that claim about their motives. I've heard of a few socialists who outright advocate murdering their own daddies as part of the revolution, making it extremely unlikely they'd want sugar daddies. Case in point, Bill Ayers. And I'd argue their motivations are in fact closer to what Joker tried to do in Injustice 2's Joker ending, not simply having a sugar daddy. The closest thing to a truly accurate picture of right vs. left in my view is more like pure secular government (if government is even to be considered on both sides, otherwise just stick with society) with absolutely no god on the left, and theocratic government ruled directly by God and Jesus alone on the right. Pokeria1 (talk) 05:48, August 15, 2021 (EDT)

That's a very clear and astute observation about totalitarianism/anarchism, and I thank you for it. My only reservation is that totalitarianism can be more enduring, whereas anarchism generally is only a temporary state. As to the theocratic vs. secular argument, I'd have to think about that a bit more (Note: when I told User:Conservative that desecularization is what's happening in Afghanistan right now, he's been a little more quiet on the subject). RobS^{Free Kyle!} 07:31, August 15, 2021 (EDT)

Perhaps you should read this article of Roberts', then.

Here, he not only contends that there was no written order issued by anybody, much less Hitler, to exterminate the Jews (as if Hitler's speech to the Reichstag on January 30, 1939 wasn't enough evidence in itself), he also contends that there were no death camps of any kind and that the gas chambers are a hoax. Oh, he also implies that the war itself was started by a Jewish conspiracy and that the pogroms in occupied Russia were justified because "Jews caused the Holodomor."--Geopolitician (talk) 17:30, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

You are recycling more crap. That is not what any of that says. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:23, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

I will not sit here and listen to criticism of Irving being applied to Roberts. Period. If you wanna discuss David Irving, discuss Irving. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:26, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

And I will give you one warning on this matter, your misrepresentations border on trolling. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:27, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

My criticisms of Roberts also apply to David Irving. Like Roberts, Irving also denies that there were gas chambers.[66] He wasn't always that way; he acknowledged their existence in the original 1977 edition of Hitler's War, only to remove them in a 1991 re-issue.[67] Meanwhile, just because Roberts borrows his talking points on this issue from Irving (and likely others) doesn't make them any less reprehensible.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:26, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

I don't give a rot what commies say about Roberts.

Update: Roberts speaks for himself. They Killed People for Vaccine Profits. He calls 'em as he sees 'em. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:22, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Actually, some (or perhaps a lot of) commies love Roberts. Why else do you think he's promoted on sites like Counterpunch and Telesur? Oh, and here's an article where he praises both Marx and Lenin, and cites a site called "marxist.com" to back his talking points.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:26, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Looks like historical research to me. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:40, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

There's research, and then there's conclusions.--Geopolitician (talk) 20:01, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

That's right. And your lame efforts to impugn Roberts as a holocaust denier is a faulty conclusion. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:21, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

How is denying the existence of the gas chambers not Holocaust denial?--Geopolitician (talk) 20:34, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

You will get blocked for trolling if you persist. Give one piece of evidence, right now, that Paul Craig Roberts ever said the gas chambers used in the Holocaust did not, or do not exist. Are these instructions clear? Roberts. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:45, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Irving

In this article, Roberts restates what he believes are Irving's conclusions and does nothing to refute them, while also commending him as someone who is being persecuted for telling the truth. These conclusions include strong implications that the gas chambers did not exist.

Then, in another article published several months later, Roberts responds to criticism of the previous one by condemning the Holocaust story as a "dogma" that is "inconsistent with free society;" and at the end he links to an article by Ron Unz, who appears to be even more adamant in his Holocaust denial than Irving. Meanwhile, in the same article Roberts makes no effort whatsoever to clarify his own position, instead saying that what matters is that the Holocaust be a subject of debate, while also saying that the 'Zionist's refusal to allow debate' is a sign that the 'official story' is indeed a hoax. I don't know about you, but my conclusion here is that all of this points to Roberts either being a Holocaust denier himself, or just being really, really bad at conveying his opinion on "dogmas."--Geopolitician (talk) 22:14, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

One more thing. Even if we were to ignore his positions on WWII and the Holocaust, I'm puzzled that you admire Roberts despite his positions on modern geopolitics being much more radical than my own.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:28, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

I am running out of patience with your wikipedia crap. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:34, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

A person who points out the plain historical fact that there does not exist a piece of paper, that survived the war, with Hitler's signature on it ordering the extermination of the Jews, is not a neo-Nazi. 22:38, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Even in the United States, we have such laws guarding presidential prerogatives and classified information. Under U.S. law, a president must issue a Presidential Finding to initiate covert activity. The Finding can be given orally, however the National Security Advisor must reduce it to paper within 24 hours. Again, there is no prohibition on the National Security Advisor from destroying his written Presidential Finding later. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:44, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Presidential Findings are virtually always on matters of life and death, under the president's sworn responsibility to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution." In the recent Anwar al-Awlaki case, the courts have ruled that an American citizen can be executed witout trial, arrest, counsel, a even a Miranda warning. [68] That due process is served by a Presidential Finding, even if it remains classified, it was given orally, or no paper trail exists.

Now, this in no way is any sort of argument or justification saying that Hitler's orders were legal. The point being made is simply that it is virtually impossible to find a written paper trail linking Obama to the death of Anwar al-Awlaki.

With Irving, the definition of "holocaust denier" was stretched from its original meaning assigned to Arthur Butz when Hoax of the 20th Century appeared in 1976, to say anyone who wasn't satisfied with the written documentation Lucy Dawidowicz unearthed in her Holocaust Reader, including Goering's Commission to Hyderich, the Minutes of the Wannsee Conference, coupled with the Borman Notes (also known as Table Talk), all point to one irredeemable conclusion: Hitler ordered the extermination of the Jews.

History is essentially concerned with written documentation. The sources cited in the above paragraph supply that written documentation. Even oral history must be written down at some point. Anything other than written documentation about the past, belongs to the fields of Archeology or Anthropology. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:20, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

I did not at any point call anybody a neo-Nazi. I called some people Holocaust deniers, but I did not call them neo-Nazis. Indeed, you don't have to be a neo-Nazi to be a Holocaust denier. Just ask Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. And I honestly couldn't care less about the existence of a written order for genocide, or the lack thereof. Written order or no written order, it's clear that Hitler wanted the Holocaust to happen, given his speech to the Reichstag on January 30, 1939.

Meanwhile, that specific issue is not even among the reasons I concluded that Irving, Roberts, and Unz are all Holocaust deniers. I concluded Irving is a Holocaust denial because of his explicit statements denying the existence of gas chambers, and his removal of all references to the Holocaust from later editions of Hitler's War. I concluded that Roberts is a Holocaust denier because of his general endorsement of Irving's work, his repeated refusal to rebut any of Irving's claims, and his linking to Unz's article. And I concluded that Unz is a Holocaust denier because he flat out stated in his article that he wouldn't be surprised if the "official story" was entirely false.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:25, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Well, the only evidence you produced for that statement on Irving (which you are attempting to smear Roberts with), is the Irish Times. I'd need to see the trial transcript.

As to the Irish Times, we can apply a very simple test:

Has the Irish Times at anytime in the past 5 years implied anything about Trump-Russia collusion?
Has the Irish Times in the past 18 months implied anything about the coronavirus coming from people eating bats?

If so, I say take the Irish Times and stick it where the sun don't shine, which I'd advise against cause there are rectal receptors that can absorb poisons into the bloodstream. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:39, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

First off, I provided a second source regarding Irving. I'll re-post the link here.

And second, the Irish Times article was published in 2000. If you want to assess the credibility of that article, then you need to assess the credibility of the Irish Times circa 2000, not circa 2016-21.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:48, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Okay, I leafed through enough of the 355-page report see that it is allegations. I'd need to see pages 162 and 179 of Irving's 1977 book.

The Irish Times is no substitute for Irvings own words at trial. Especially if you want to leave the Times unqualified. 23:57, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Here's an even simpler test: Has the Irish Times republished anything from NYT, WaPo, or the AP in the past 6 years? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:00, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

All you've done thus far is present a sort of Steele dossier as evidence, whereas, where are the damning passages in Irving's own words? I've never read Irving, don't care to, and have no reason or need to. Roberts put great stock in him cause Irving evidently has studied more primary source material than either me or Roberts. It's no secret the Germans tried to keep the Holocaust secret, which is NYT's defense now. But I've never seen any direct excerpts from Irving's text for the 20-odd years this controversy has been ongoing. And Irving himself has been canceled so he can't defend himself. So all I'm left with is allegations from many sources, without the direct text, from critics who many themselves are questionable.

So Roberts, like Chomsky and Finkelstein, criticizes Zionists, which of course is all the rage now from Bernie Sanders, AOC, and the Biden State Department. Does that make them neo-Nazi holocaust deniers, too? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:16, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

I don't know which source you looked at, but I looked at the actual transcript of the trial, and its content confirms what is in the Irish Times report. The link to the transcript is here. The most damning parts are (1) Pages 229 line 17 through 230 line 5; and Page 237 lines 7 through 11. Note that the page numbers are at the bottom of the pages; if you find the page numbers and then scroll down rather than up you will get lost.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:49, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

<----- Okay, I read a little bit more starting around the point you suggested and beyond, enough to gain the context. And yes, I am familiar with the historiographic context under discussion. The word "holocaust" did not enter the historiographic lexicon until after 1976, assigned to events 30 years prior. The words "Final Solution" is what appears in the primary source documents.

The Nuremberg Indictment, which appeared some eight months after V-E Day, estimated some 5,710,000 or 5,720,000 murdered from all parts of Europe, as far away as Ukraine. Over the next 30 years, this figure was rounded up in common parlance to 6 million. Some dispute remained that figure was too low, and may not have included the actions of Einsatzgruppen, for example. The New York Times reported on the liberation of Auschwitz before the war's end, quoting Russian Generals as saying possibly 1 or 2 million perished at Auschwitz. Recently I read somewhere that 1.1 million were murdered at Auschwitz (Wikipedia: 1.1 million), which surprised me cause I thought the number may have been too low. That is what is being discussed at p. 235 line 23 to p. 236 line 2, "The millions in gas chambers". Here's the full context:

23 Q. [Mr Rampton]: Let us get back to the present. Which of those elements

24 in that statement “factories”, plural, “of death with gas

25 chambers”, plural, “in which they liquidated millions”,

26 plural, “of their opponents”, which of those elements do

      P-236

1 you still deny

2 A. [Mr Irving]: The millions in gas chambers

So, by this definition, Wikipedia and all its editors of the Auschwitz article are holocaust deniers.

Now, the "factories of death", Sobibor, Treblinka, etc., many did not have gas chambers, and the few that did have much smaller gas chambers than Auschwitz, could not have made up the difference of 700k to 900k to bring total of 2 million (plural) for the statement "millions perished in gas chambers".

Wikipedia is either corroborating David Irving, or using David Irving as a source.

Back to the point about the number cited in the Nuremberg Indictment. That figure has been researched thoroughly and considered amazingly accurate, given the short time Nuremberg prosecutors had, and under the conditions at the time.

Obviously, much more can be said on this subject. The problem basically is, for historiographic purposes, imposing a lexicon written 30 years after the fact which doesn't appear in the primary source documents. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:26, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

What about this section here?

13 Q. [Mr Rampton]: We have touched upon Mr Liechter. We are going to grapple

14 with him much more extensively next week. We have touched

15 upon Mr Liechter and it has led you to this conclusion

16 that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, is it not?

17 I use the historic present. It was Mr Liechter’s report

18 and the bit about the laboratory tests which converted you

19 into disbelief that there were gas chambers at Auschwitz,

20 is that right

21 A. [Mr Irving]: That is correct

22 Q. [Mr Rampton]: Is that is correct. As a consequence of that, you have

23 come to believe, perhaps it was a matter of protest,

24 perhaps not, I do not know, that the Nazis did not use gas

25 chambers for the extermination of Jews let alone millions

26 of Jews

P-255

1 A. [Mr Irving]: Yes, I have become very sceptical of that element of the

2 story

P-256

In this section, Irving confirms that he is a skeptic about the existence of any kind of gas chambers at Auschwitz, citing the "Leuchter Report" (more info on that here).--Geopolitician (talk) 17:15, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Even Hugh Trevor Roper was hoaxed by the Hitler Diaries circa the same time (1982?), which was just your everyday run-of-the-mill mainstream media hoax. The Leuchter Report was "current scholarship" in 1991 when Irving removed the phrase from his book. The fact that ten years later he remained "very skeptical" I have no explanation for.

So now we're into degrees of denialism. What is the difference between being very skeptical and outright denialism? Is there a midground like "Holocaust agnosticism"? RobS^{Free Kyle!}

Now that is an interesting question. Not just in the context of the Holocaust but also in the context of other topics (namely religion). Personally, I do consider agnostics to be deniers, in both contexts.--Geopolitician (talk) 18:38, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Now, let me restate a fact about Intentionalism: after the defeat at Stalingrad and the German armies were in full retreat, trains were used for transport of Jews to death camps, and not to facilitate the retreat of soldiers. What does Irving say about this? That, it seems to me, would be the issue with Irving, not the lame barking up the wrong tree, parsing of post-1976 historiography versus the original primary source documents. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:51, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

I can't find his position on that subjet in the trial transcripts. Feel free to double-check for me, if you have a browser with a word-searcher like I do.--Geopolitician (talk) 17:15, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Yes, probably because it was never asked. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:52, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Let's return to the timeline. Quoted below it says, "the first death camps became operational in late 1941". The surrender at Stalingrad was February 10, 1942. From that point on the extermination campaign became priority. It was not incidental to the war and occupation in the East. For the entirety of 1942 and 1943 (the period usually referred to in many histories and videos as the period of "Total War"), trains were expedited for transport of Jews from ghetto collection points to death camps, and not for the evacuation of soldiers, many of them on foot, from the East.

This is the cap and the seal on Intentionalism, along with all the other evidence, beginning with the January 30, 1939 Reichstag speech. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:26, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Let me summarize and simplify this incredibly complex subject in as few of my own words as possible. World War II, the "Total War", and Holocaust was basically a hostage situation where all the hostages were killed. Beginning with the January 30, 1939 speech, Hitler was saying, "If I don't get my way, I'm going to kill all the hostages." When war broke out in Sept 1939, Hitler remained true to his pledge (the so-called "Holocaust by bullet"). When Hitler lost the war at Stalingrad, he accelerated the program which became more efficient after 2 1/2 years already.

This even explains Hitler's inexplicable decision to declare war in the United States in December 1941; Hitler knew he was losing the war, and was going to lose the war. He declared war on the U.S. to bring about a truly overall World War and state of confusion, to hide his actions and motives in the fog of war.

Functionalists do not have a leg to stand on. Hitler was denied his war in 1938 (which not having read Irving, presumably is what Irving references as Hitler's War, which never was fought). The war after September 1939, when Britain and France declared war, was a hostage situation that Hitler used to take his revenge, having been cheated out of his designs to secure permanent Lebensraum in 1938. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:16, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Let's continue this analysis of intentionalism briefly. What Hitler wanted to happen in 1938 and 1939 is the opposite of what actually did happen. In 1938, when Hitler moved into the Sudetenland, Hitler wanted Britain, France, and the USSR (or some combination) to declare war. In 1939, he hoped they would appease and sit idle, and the division of Poland would be peaceful like a year earlier in Czechoslovakia. These two events were interspersed with his January 30, 1939 threat to kill all the hostages if he wasn't appeased again. The takeover of Poland, accomplished as quickly as Czechoslovakia, was followed by the Sitzkrieg or Phony War, where some didn't even believe that there would be any fighting in 1940.

So, if you flip the events of 1938 and 1939 in your mind's eye, you see what some now call Hitler's War or Hitler's strategy. Whether Hitler intended to implement a "Final Solution" at the time of the Sudeten Crisis is a matter of speculation. Personally, I think not, but likely some other form of forced removal and possibly ultimately pogroms. But having been robbed of his war in 1938, in January of 1939 he made up his mind (intentionalism) to move forward with a "Final Solution" if the Brits & French declared war. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:04, August 14, 2021 (EDT)

Much of this analysis is important today in viewing Hong Kong and Taiwan and the similarities to Czechoslovakia and Poland. Now, you may say 'I don't see the parallels.' Fine. You may not see it, but I assure you military planners the world over are making the same calculations the Nazis, British, French, Soviet, and American military strategists and planners were making between 1938 and 1939. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:18, August 14, 2021 (EDT)

Irving, part 2

Now, here's an excerpted transcript from a popular Youtube video with 5 million hits: [69]

"When most people think of the Holocaust, the first thing that comes to mind are the horrors of Nazi extermination camps like Auschwitz and Treblinka, where millions of European Jews were systematically murdered in specially designed gas chambers and crematoria. However, there are many more stages and elements to the Holocaust than just the Nazi death camps. In fact, by the time the first death camps became operational in late 1941, the Holocaust had already been occurring for at least three years and an estimated two to four million people had already been killed in what is referred to by historians as the Holocaust by bullet.

Question: Is this denialism? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 05:31, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

No, it's not. It's very easy to reconcile this statement with the facts regarding what occured post-1941 (especially if you use the lower number of pre-1942 deaths).--Geopolitician (talk) 17:15, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Let's not allow this discussion to wander all over the map. So far it's been very positive. Let me be clear, I am not attempting to defend Irving. But I think both of us are familiar enough with the core issues to answer this question:

Is the statement, "6 million Jews were killed in gas chambers" a true or false statement? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:57, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Of course that's a false statement. 6 million Jews did die in the Holocaust, and many of them did die in gas chambers, but not all of them died in gas chambers. The Nazis employed several other ways to kill them, as we all know.--Geopolitician (talk) 18:38, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Okay. That's the whole point with Irving, in my humble speculation. His 1977 book appeared at the time that the historiographic consensus came to be replacing the offensive term, "Final Solution", with "Holocaust" ("History is written by the victors.") His 1977 book incorporated the revised term, "holocaust". His 1991 reissue expunged the term "holocaust." Between 1976 and 1991, much Holocaust literature, and even Holocaust Studies at the University level were teaching "6 million Jews died in gas chambers."

Those, I assume to be facts. And I would further speculate that Irving, like Finkelstein and Chomsky, rebelled against the so-called "holocaust industry" that grew up between 1976 and 1991. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:13, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Global elites

Roberts rages against global elites. It was the diplomats, not the military, that caused World War I and loss of 5 million lives. That's why Wilson proposed the League of Nations as a reform measure, so global elites could keep talking 24/7 round the clock and get to know each other better. Hitler was excluded from the Club, and never invited to Paris or any summit, which only increased his suspicion of a conspiracy against Germany.

A word on "denialism": there are two types, (1) denial that the Holocaust occurred or was technologically feasible (originally articulated by Herman Goering at Nuremberg), and (2) denial that Hitler ordered it. Most people who toss the term around today have no idea what Functionalism is. A so-called "denier" can say yes, the Holocaust occurred, but we can't find a paper trail linking Hitler to it (which is essentially Irving and the school of Functionalism's argument). The timeline of events, and the conversations recorded in Hitler's Table Talk in July 1942 (after the defeat at Stalingrad) however, provide the missing "paper trail" that Functionalists or so-called "deniers" claim is missing, and corroborate the Intent to commit genocide. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 09:59, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

So, having dealt with that question, let's move on to a more relevant question regarding Roberts. After having destroyed the Soviet Union, and ending the Cold War by securing tax cuts for the rich to develop new technologies with consumer spin-offs, why does Roberts rage so much against the military industrial complex? And what is his relationship with Russian Atlantacists and elites? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:39, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

Ascent of the RINOs

With the Dems getting more radical all the time, there is no way the sleepy RINOs can appease them. The Bolsheviks turned on their allies the Mensheviks and the Left SRs at Kronstadt, and later on Leon Trotsky, author of the Kronstadt massacre.

With the rise of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, RINOs are rampant. The endless investigations of Trump were never about his personality, Russia, or his mean tweets. They were always about getting back at America for the 2000 Florida recount, Stacey Abrams, and every other time the Dems lost. See "Wake up, RINOs." PeterKa (talk) 13:17, August 3, 2021 (EDT)

I don't think it was mostly payback for the 2000 election. It is policy differences that was magnified by Trump's online trolling and combativeness. Matters like: trade policy, ceasing of endless wars, NATO reform, cutting down the administrative state, rejecting climate alarmism, law and order, tax policy, political correctness, confronting fake news, school choice, etc.

It's essentially a culture war.

Liz Cheney is losing power and not gaining it. The press and Democrats are just squeezing out some anti-Trumpness from her before she leaves office. Conservative (talk) 20:45, August 3, 2021 (EDT)

I looked at the American Thinker article. There is some truth to what he said, but I think the 2007/2008 financial crises and its after effects caused populists/extremists on the left/right to grow in a more pronounced way.Conservative (talk) 22:18, August 3, 2021 (EDT)

So we have populist insurrections in both camps, the GOP and DNC, lead by Trump and Bernie Sanders, respectively. The establishment DNC has won their insurrection, albeit it was costly in compromise, and there still is pockets of resistance led by AOC. In the GOP, the establishment RNC has been fighting back against Trump since his 2016 nomination, but the skirmishes are ongoing. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:12, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

Adam Kinzinger's truly pathetic display of self-indulgent lachrymosity at the Capitol riot hearings alone should, by rights, bar him from office. When did stoicism become so unfashionable? Did I miss a meeting? And how long do I have to wait before the anglosphere rediscovers the blindingly obvious moral truth that self-indulgence is a form of selfishness so its actually a vice, and certainly not evidence of virtue? -J Psircleback (talk) 03:37, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

CDC extends eviction moratorium, overrides Supreme Court

Who knew the CDC had authority over rents and property? In fact, the Supreme Court just ruled that they don't. Yet the CDC has extended to the eviction moratorium to October 3 on its own authority. All hail CDC head Rochelle P. Walensky! Yesterday she was an obscure bureaucrat. Today she is one of the world's most powerful property moghuls. This is one step further on the road to unconstitutional tyranny than Obama's DACA decision. Biden admits this measure is unconstitutional. Yet he wants to keep it in place while the issue works its way through the courts.

Finally, I have to say, power to the CDC???? This agency made a hash out of managing the epidemic in every possible way. Thanks to this order, they're on to bigger things. To even ask them about covid, vaccines, or lab leaks seems almost irrelevant in view of their awesome authority. See "Thanks to Brett Kavanaugh, We Have the Very Slippery Slope of the New CDC Eviction Order." PeterKa (talk) 22:06, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

And their decision to extend the eviction moratorium was made apparently to appease the whining far-leftists in Congress. [70] —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Thursday, 00:49, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

So the rule of law is suspended; the junta is out of the closet. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:39, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Kavanaugh told the CDC to go to Congress if it wanted to extend the moratorium. Biden's strategy is all about putting the blame on the courts rather than on moderate Dems in Congress. See this analysis by the always excellent Andrew McCarthy. PeterKa (talk) 17:47, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

You can expect the same defiance as the SCOTUS weighs in on various state election audit disputes. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:06, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Sarah Palin for Senate?

So far, the news is that a Palin bid for Senate is possible. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Thursday, 00:58, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

It will be interesting to see if she has the popularity she did when she was the VP candidate for McCain. Her family has completely fallen apart (she and Todd are divorced, her oldest daughter is what we once called a slut, and her son divorced his wife amidst allegations of domestic violence on his part). The liberals will certainly use that to mock her (remember, they can divorce without any problem, conservatives can't), but will it hurt her or help her? Quidam65 (talk) 11:16, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

Bruce Poliquin is running for his old seat

[71] If some of you perhaps may not recall, he was defeated in the 2018 midterms by Jared Golden thanks to ranked-choice voting. Although Golden was re-elected in 2020, ME-2 is probably Lean R and the House seat may very well flip towards the GOP in the 2022 midterms. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Thursday, 01:05, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

"Setback for liberal hypocrisy"

As is, this is a double negative. It says setback for critics of liberal hypocrisy. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:03, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

I think causes are set back, hence it means "there has been a setback to the cause of advancing, encouraging or increasing hypocrisy by and/or among liberals.' (Hey, if only.) -J Psircleback (talk) 03:01, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Right. So this headline reads a positive improvement for liberal hypocrites. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:30, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Obama's 60th whacked by covid hysteria

It's a sad day for all of us when a former president can't hold a covid superspreader event at his $12 million Martha's Vineyard estate. "Obama's star-studded 60th birthday party pared back to 'family and close friends' amid Delta surge." If only Obama had said "No" to the covid hysterics, he would have created space for the rest of us. Now it looks like we're back to masked madness. PeterKa (talk) 23:40, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

C'mon now, we should commend Obama for his confidence. Remember, the day he was sworn in the oceans stopped rising. So he bought ocean beachfront property on Martha's Vineyard. Thank God, Obama had the courage to show the planet that the global warming hoax, after his swearing-in and presidency, is just that, a hoax. So he's moved on to another hoax now. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:50, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

Despite the fact that Obama announced that the party was cancelled, hundreds of people showed up at his Martha's Vineyard estate anyway, including Nancy Pelosi. What a clever solution. Obama gets to say the right thing. If people come anyway, the least he can do is be a good host.[72] PeterKa (talk) 19:25, August 8, 2021 (EDT)

The problem there is believing anything MSM or Democrat press releases say. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:17, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

So he puts a press release vomited back by CNN, then puts a blast text to his friends and says "Come anyway." What else is new? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:19, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

Russia returns to Afghanistan

A body of an escapee who clung to the landing gear falls while attempting to flee the Taliban takeover.^[1]

The author of the Violence Against Women Act abandoning the women and girls of Afghanistan to the Taliban.

Much of the coverage of Afghanistan is driven by Vietnam analogies. But I think Vietnam is being seriously misremembered. South Vietnam actually stood up quite well for two years after the U.S. pullout. It was only when the U.S. Congress voted to cut military aid from $1.26 billion to $700 million in August 1974 that the country collapsed militarily. The decisive battle was Phuoc Long, which was fought in January 1975. Saigon fell on April 30.

The media is so clueless about Afghanistan than no one seems to realize that these days the Taliban is a Russian proxy. This is evident from the fact that they are most active in the North. The home base of the old Taliban was Kandahar in the South. The Russians and the Taliban forged an alliance in 2014, around the time of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[73]

There has been little good news to report since Biden's pullout. In the last couple of days, the Taliban has captured two provincial capitals, Zaranj in the southwest and Sheberghan in the north. (Afghanistan has 34 provinces.) The government has launched a counterattack in Zaranj, according to the Afghanistan Times. The U.S. embassy has advised all Americans to leave the country immediately. Meanwhile, the government is recalling the tribal warriors of the 1990s, including Uzbek leader Dostom and Pashtun leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. PeterKa (talk) 01:46, August 8, 2021 (EDT)

Two more provincial capitals fell today, including Kunduz. This is the most significant loss since the current Taliban offensive started in May. Kunduz is in the northeast, near the border with Tajikistan. In 2001, it was the last Taliban stronghold to fall to the Northern Alliance. Perhaps Putin wants a belt of territory in the north, like the land he seized in eastern Ukraine. PeterKa (talk) 18:14, August 8, 2021 (EDT)

Given the choice between Russia, the Taliban, and the CCP controlling the global heroin trade (worth $60 billion), I'd opt for Putin. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:21, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

Maybe now we have some insight into why Biden lifted sanctions on Nord Stream II and why the U.S. is importing so much oil from Russia since Biden seized power: maybe it was done on the condition that Putin picks up the slack to prevent the Taliban or CCP taking over the global heroin trade. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 01:30, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

Five provincial capitals in two days suggests that the Taliban could take the whole country in two weeks, if you do the math. But Kabul is a city of 5 million these days, compared to 500,000 in 1996 when the Taliban took it last time. So the government may be able to survive there. PeterKa (talk) 01:51, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

That is essentially what happened after the Soviet-Afghan war, too. IMO, it's more telling about the nature of the territory drawn on maps that we call "Afghanistan", than Afghanistan resembling anything near to what we also call a "nation state". Trying to force the peoples residing in those territories to conform to the rest of the planet's expectation of what is required of a 20th or 21st century nation-state is like trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:41, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

Afghanistan has no "national identity." Many of the people living there never heard of Afghanistan. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:46, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

Go ahead, try to explain to someone living in Helmond province that they are an "Afghan". Good luck. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:49, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

According to today's Wall Street Journal, the Afghan government holds only the country's four major cities at this point: Kabul, Kandahar, Herat, and Mazar-e-Sharif. Everything except Kabul is either held by the Taliban or being actively contested. It's still a month before Biden's withdrawal deadline, which I was sure would be extended. This issue will get attention when the 20th anniversary of 9/11 rolls around next month. The way things have played out, a lot of that attention will focus on what a mess Biden has made out of Afghanistan. Obama tried this idea in Iraq in 2010, so none of what happened should be a surprise. It was just Qatar financing ISIS whereas the Taliban has Russian backing. PeterKa (talk) 20:30, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

The Anti-Soviet jihad continued after the Russian withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1988 and the collapse of the Soviet Union. Chechen jihadists trained in Afghanistan and took the jihad within Russian Federation borders after 1992. It was veterans of the Chechen jihad that made up the experienced fighters and trainers for ISIS. Of course, the Russians have their own secularized Chechen special forces who they sent into Syria to deal with their fellow countrymen and religious fanatics.

In the Russian army, although being a minority, Chechens occupy the stereotypical role of the mean drill sergeant in a similar way that many African Americans do in the U.S. army. Chechen Muslims come from a warrior culture. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 09:37, August 11, 2021 (EDT)

Today's Wall Street Journal tries to explain the collapse of the Afghan government forces. It says the 350,000-man regular army won't fight without NATO backup. It just runs away when the Taliban appears. Only the special forces are doing any fighting these days. President Ghani wants the army to fight for every village. But there are less than 30,000 special forces, not enough to hold the entire country. They planned to recruit 30,000 special forces from the beginning. But even after twenty years, they never reached that objective. Everyone expects the Taliban to kill them all. PeterKa (talk) 22:09, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

The U.S. has been eager to abandon Afghanistan for a long time. Obama held an exiting ceremony back in 2014. The holdup was that the Taliban refused to the sign a face saving agreement of the kind that the North Vietnamese did in 1973. The Biden administration is using a deal that Trump signed in February 2020 as cover. That seems pretty desperate. When has Biden given Trump credit for anything? Biden announced the withdrawal in April. Taliban replied in May with a general offensive. PeterKa (talk) 21:15, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

Here's is another answer to the question of why the Taliban could conquer Afghanistan so quickly: They probably paid off the regular army commanders. That's the Afghan way. The article gives several examples of this tactic being used in recent years. After Biden closed Bagram air base at the end of June, these commanders may have figured that a Taliban takeover was only a matter of time. Summer is the fighting season. If Bagram had been closed in the fall, the government would have had a few months to to prepare for the Taliban's next offensive. Everything seems to have been timed for the enemy's convenience. The U.S. military is now infected with CRT believers. It's not hard to imagine that such people are also Taliban sympathizers. PeterKa (talk) 22:22, August 15, 2021 (EDT)

So we have a fundamental problem to face. For 20 years, America tried to create a "national identity" in Afghanistan where none existed, while we demonize "nationalism" here at home as racist. Without a national identity, society reverts to tribalism. And do not tell me that Joseph R. Biden does not understand any of this - he called himself a social engineer in his 1975 NPR interview with David Ensor when he was trying to repeal portions of the 1964 Civil Rights Act - his exact words "we social planners", [74] spoken by one of the youngest senators in U.S. history. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:14, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

It wasn't that long ago that the Taliban was locked in a life-or-death struggle with the Islamic State. Trump dropped an enormous bomb on IS to the help the Taliban out. How did 70,000 Taliban defeat 300,000 Afghan National Army soldiers? The army was a lot easier to defeat than IS. The Taliban sent out WhatsApp messages as if they were already in control and give people numbers to surrender to.[75] No one wants to surrender last. PeterKa (talk) 13:59, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

No covid in mask-free Sweden

What would happen if we didn't panic about covid? Then we would be Sweden. There were eight covid cases in Sweden so far this month. While American lives are sacrificed for drug company profits and to keep China's secrets, Sweden blossoms under the leadership of epidemiological genius Anders Tegnell. PeterKa (talk) 13:21, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

Remember, the same leftists crying crocodile tears over COVID-19 deaths lied about the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine last year because their top priority was sticking to acute TDS. If anyone's responsible for the coronavirus deaths, it's them. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Tuesday, 15:37, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

There where 'eight Covid deaths in Sweden so far this month. Please read your sources carefully - it is literally in the link you gave! --AugustO (talk) 16:37, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

We can be a bit more scientific about this. Mask-free Sweden is No. 34 is terms of per capita covid deaths with 1,425 deaths per million while mask-obsessive Czech Republic is No. 4 with 2,846 dpm. The U.S. is No. 21 while Germany in No. 46.[76] PeterKa (talk) 18:19, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

Does Sweden have an excellent contract tracing system for coronavirus infections?

The reason I ask is because developed countries have multilayer defenses against coronavirus spreading within their populations. In other words, there is no silver bullet. You can't expect masks or vaccination or another method to be a bullet proof layer of defense. Conservative (talk) 18:37, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

"Until March 12th 2020 all suspected cases among people travelling from affected areas to Sweden were followed up with sampling and contact tracing." See here. PeterKa (talk) 18:41, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

People in Nordic countries tend to be more educated than much the rest of the world and have higher standards of living (see: Protestant cultural legacies). Maybe it just comes down to practicing anti-coronavirus common sense measures and less on government mandated behavior. Conservative (talk) 18:47, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

Sweden is not mask-free. Take a look at the pictures in this article: Sweden, noted for its lax COVID-19 response, never mandated face masks. Now it's dropping its vague recommendation to wear one at all..

Just because masks are not mandated, doesn't mean that some people don't wear them.

As far as their low coronavirus infection rate, maybe it is partly due to all the fish the Swedes eat that helps to fortify their immune systems. :) Conservative (talk) 18:56, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

A pescatarian diet is a vegetarian diet plus fish.

Consider: "Add this to the long list of reasons to adopt a plant-based or pescatarian diet: New research has found that what you eat — and what you don’t — may lower your odds of developing moderate to severe COVID-19 infection. The study, which was published June 7 in the online journal BMJ Nutrition, Prevention & Health, is the first to report an association between dietary patterns and the severity of COVID-19."[77] (BMJ is the British Medical Journal).

I adopted a pescatarian diet (with the exception of Thanksgiving Day/Christmas). My doctor looked at my blood tests recently as part of my annual checkup and he said my immune system was strong. Conservative (talk) 19:06, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

Governor Andrew Cuomo resigns

A year ago, Andrew Cuomo was receiving an unprecedented Emmy for his performance in the role of New York governor. There was no one the Dems thought more highly of, no one who's covid response was more highly praised. He had served the party for many years. But he was just a white man. The moment Biden clinched the nomination, his usefulness ran out. Attorney General Letitia James other New York politicians ginned up the groping charges. They send a clear message to Biden: Don't even think about running for a second term.

So Cuomo is a pervert who thinks his Emmy statue is "buxom". Do we need an AG report to tell us that? The charges against President Bill Clinton were both more serious and better documented. Groping is a weird thing to focus on when Cuomo has killed thousands by putting covid positive patients into nursing homes. Yet the left has so much control over media that they can keep this issue from even coming up.

Cuomo was being touted as a 2024 presidential candidate. If pro-Harris people planned this hit to knock him out of the race, its peaked too early. As it is, Cuomo can go repent in the wilderness for a while and still make a comeback in time for 2024. When he announced his resignation, he did say this wasn't the end. Cuomo's rise and fall (and possible rise again) invites comparisons with 2008, when the Bush administration set New York Governor Elliot Spitzer up with a hooker sting, possibly at Giuliani's initiative. Cuomo was AG at that time and helped bring Spitzer down. Despite this track record, I don't think of New York Democrats as moralistic. It is more like, the state's politics is infested with backstabbing. PeterKa (talk) 14:48, August 11, 2021 (EDT)

Dick Morris has a realistic theory. [78] RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:44, August 11, 2021 (EDT)

How do Dems keep track of whether they are supposed to support or oppose Cuomo at any given time? The party is set up like a cult. Morris doesn't address the fact that the charges against Cuomo came out immediately after Biden clinched the Democratic nomination. That's what got me thinking that there might be more to this story than meets the eye. PeterKa (talk) 21:50, August 11, 2021 (EDT)

I'd pay attention to where Cuomo lands. His exit was pretty hasty. 2 days ago he vowed to fight, then somebody must have made him a pretty lucrative job offer that pays better than governor. At 62, his days in electoral politics are over, IMO. Now it's a matter of how much cash he can rake in in his waning days. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:49, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

I see Anita Dunn behind this. Dunn and Susan Rice are making all the decisions. Dunn snuffed out Tara Reade's story, and was rewarded with becoming campaign manager after Biden ran 5th in Iowa. From there, she took over sharing presidential decision-making during the transition (Remember Biden's "women hold up half the sky" statement? a direct quote from the Sayings of Chairman Mao scripted by Dunn). Dunn is the ventriloquist, and Rice handles foreign policy. Dunn also is getting all the Maoists appointed to administration offices.

Dunn probably panicked after the White House Press Corps asked if Biden should be investigated for pinching an 8-year-old girls nipple, and told Biden to get on the horn with Cuomo and tell him he's got a job with one of her SKDKnickerbocker clients starting at $2 million a year immediately. And that paves the way for the Maoist takeover of the NY governor's office, as well. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:02, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

In the Tara Reade and Creepy Uncle Joe articles, we see how the Democrats formed a non-profit to facilitate #MeToo whistleblowers, with Dunn on the board. Supposedly the group was a "safe space" for sexual abuse survivors; in fact it was a trap for people like Dunn to go to the accused, if they were high-level Democrats, and blackmail them while snuffing out the allegations. If the accused were Republicans, one can imagine the first step would be blackmail, but there would be no lucrative job offers if that failed. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:19, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

There is widespread speculation that Cuomo will run for governor in 2022. So the people who should know don't seem think that he made a deal to stay out of politics. It's New York "progressives" like AOC and Letitia Jones who are driving the campaign against Cuomo. PeterKa (talk) 09:22, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

The case against Cuomo is already falling apart. One state trooper Cuomo allegedly harassed was promoted to be Cuomo's driver, Anita Hill style.[79] There are two other ongoing Cuomo investigations we haven't heard from yet, one about covid in the nursing homes. PeterKa (talk) 14:33, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

I just don't see women voters or women officeholders letting that happen. Or the media, for that matter. They already got Biden, Hunter Biden, & Avenatti on their hands. Cuomo is probably the reason we heard rumblings about Kavanaugh two weeks ago, the logic being, "well if a serial rapist gets to stay in office, what's wrong with a guy who likes kissing men at fundraisers?" Democrat logic typically has a short shelf life. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:45, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

Ted Cruz saves the day

According to the Progressive election analyst group Catalist, Democrats are losing support among minorities.^[2]

Schumer asked for unanimous consent in the middle of the night to ram through the "For the People Act" which would institutionalize Democrat election fraud throughout the nation. Cruz objected, thank goodness. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Friday, 15:41, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

This is a bit confusing. There is H.R. 1, the For the People Act, and H.R. 4 the John Lewis Civil Rights Act. H.R. 4, as I understand it, is just a watered down version of H.R.1. It was H.R. 4, I think, they tried to ram through last night. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:29, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

Huh, I may have overlooked the detailed specifics on that. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Friday, 16:34, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

That's okay, I may have done the same thing on MPR last week. Bottomline - it's all just DNC propaganda, anyway. Pelosi and Schumer knew both bills would fail from the start. H.R. 1 had a title targeted at progressive communists, which they knew would fail. H.R. 4 has the title of the "Civil Rights Act of 2021 named after civil rights leader and icon John Lewis" which racist Republicans voted against, aimed at rallying blacks. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:39, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

So that's why Schumer requested unanimous consent... —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Friday, 16:40, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

Yah, now it's just GOP House members and Cruz who will be criticized as racists for voting against the Civil Rights Act in the 2022 Midterms. The bill was designed to fail. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:04, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

Schumer was actually being courteous to GOP Senators who voted for infrastructure. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:05, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

IOWs, "If you vote for infrastucture, I won't slam you as racist." Such is how D.C. has worked for a long time. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:11, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

The lower the bill number, the higher the priority. So when H.R.1 & H.R.4 are designed to fail, what can we conclude? The Democrats priority is to toss Progressives and Blacks meaningless gestures with, "we tried and failed" while painting Republians as racist for the midterms. What else is new?

So, the Dems "priority" is to posture and position slanders of Republicans as racists for the midterms. That has been their priority since H.R.1, a priority over the budget, trade, the environment, global warming, terrorism, crime, income inequality, women's rights, immigration reform, DACA kids, healthcare, the covid crisis, etc etc etc. You know, business as usual. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:21, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

Republicans have luckily been skyrocketing in support due to terrible policies from the Democrats this decade. The race rhetoric on their end appears to be wearing out. Patriotic Gamer (talk) 19:42, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

The problem is, Democrats have been leaking minority votes for years now. Nobody believes "America is a racist country" since Obama was elected, and Trump cut into the Black vote bigtime. As 2020 demonstrated, Democrats can't rely on the Black vote anymore, and must stuff the ballot box to win. They're desperate, and keeping Blacks on the plantation through fear and threats is all they got left. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:50, August 13, 2021 (EDT)

If the GOP can get Hispanics (and maybe Asians also) on their side, they can turn the tide. Especially Hispanic Catholics who actually attend Mass regularly. Quidam65 (talk) 11:18, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

Asian men in particular tend to be pro-Trump, because they really dislike the political correctness of the Dems. The big push for hate crimes legislation to supposedly protect Asians was politically motivated to try to hold Asian voters for Dems.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 14:52, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

Are we even sure if they tend to be that? Because I definitely know George Takei and Hideo Kojima most certainly weren't pro-Trump and if anything were all for the political correctness of the Dems, and last I checked, those guys were Asian. And that's not even counting Congressman Wu (aka the guy who infamously had a photo of him wearing a Tiger furry costume leaked), who was a huge democrat. Pokeria1 (talk) 19:27, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

How about that communist piece of garbage Ted Lieu? How many Americans died in Vietnam to make him free so that he could come here and spew his communist hate? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:32, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

Biden's Afghanistan speech

Biden was surprisingly articulate in his Afghanistan speech. But what he had to say was ridiculous. Are we to believe that he was forced to withdraw because of the amount of money that has been spent or because of an agreement Trump signed last year? He said "a trillion dollars" like it was a lot of money. This is money spent over a twenty-year period. Biden thinks nothing of adding a trillion to next year's budget to pay for fake infrastructure. The Taliban launches an offensive every summer. It has nothing to do with any agreement that they might have signed with Trump.

Why the obsession with a complete pullout from Afghanistan by September 11? This was all about Biden's image. He was going to speak at a ceremony on September 11 and tell everyone how he was the president who finally ended the Afghan war. A country was sacrificed for a photo op that will never happen. Who's dream is this?

The money issue cuts both ways. If you sacrifice a lot on a project, that's all the more reason to pursue it completion. Pulling out will not bring back money that was already spent. The campaign season in Afghanistan runs from May to October. Delaying the pullout by just a few months would have given the government some breathing room.of

Biden's comments about the Afghans lacking the will to fight were ungracious. Afghanistan is a land of natural soldiers. But the U.S. trained them to fight the American way, with expensive logistical and air support. There were many post in rural areas that were supplied only by air. This support was withdrawn quite suddenly in May and the army ground to a halt. Assuming this explanation is correct, the army's collapse was perfectly predictable. Yet somehow the White House was caught by surprise. PeterKa (talk) 19:36, August 16, 2021 (EcDT)

In one way, this is Vietnam all over again: The client state's army collapsed when logistical support was withdrawn for reasons of U.S. domestic politics. But the North Vietnamese forces that entered Saigon were a modern army with the latest in Soviet equipment. The guerrillas of the Vietcong looms larger in communist propaganda than it ever did as a military force.

In Afghanistan, the Taliban is a primitive, outnumbered force. The Afghan army became dependent on American aid to line the pockets of contractors and other hangers on. The U.S. generals in Afghanistan often saw themselves as future contractors. The Afghans could have retrained to fight without the fancy weapons and their maintenance crews of foreign contractors if given time. PeterKa (talk) 20:35, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

We've all heard the jokes about Biden being a PINO, or "president in name only." Yet the withdrawal seems to have been driven by him personally. He got the crew responsible for the 2011 withdrawal from Iraq back together. Anthony Blinken at the State Department and Jake Sullivan at NSC led. The Pentagon and the intelligence community were both shut out of decision making and reportedly horrified. Lloyd Abrams was chosen defense secretary because he followed orders in 2011 and didn't interfere with what Obama was doing. If a terror group rises from Afghanistan the way ISIS did in Iraq, it won't be a bug, but a feature. PeterKa (talk) 06:24, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

Looks like the CCP is moving up the timetable for aggression against Taiwan. They'd be foolish to wait for President Kamala or President Trump to take office now. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:42, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

Sadly, we are struck with this discredited idiot, at least until the midterms. If the Dems promoted Harris before the election, they would lose control of the Senate. It's too bad we don't have parliamentary system. Then we could get a new leader just by voting "no confidence." PeterKa (talk) 23:51, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

There is enough of a consensus between Moderate Dems & Progressives in the House to remove Biden, and it only takes 5 but there are way more than that now. So the question moves to the Senate: Who do you prefer, Kamala or Pelosi? There we can't find 67 votes yet. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:36, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

I think Biden has successfully reached that period known as "gridlock" already, where many Dems won't want to be seen voting for anything he proposes. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 00:37, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

Another example of Biden being too stupid to run anything is that he closed the enormous Bagram airbase at the end of June. This was at a time when thousands of Americans were still in the country. There are still 5,000 to 10,000 Americans left. Did he imagine that all the people desperate to leave could be evacuated on regularly scheduled civilian flights? PeterKa (talk) 01:44, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

They offed Ashli Babbitt and called her a traitor after serving, what, a quarter of her life in Afghanistan. We should have taken that as a heads-up. Remember Jake 'al Qaeda is on our side' Sullivan? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 04:05, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

Eight days from superpower to punchline

The Suez crisis of 1956 was only eight days long. But it marked the divide between the era when the world was awed by the words "British Empire" and an era when this phrase is used only as a sneering punchline, as Lady Avon put it. Can America still be a "global superpower" in the post-Afghanstan era? Mark Steyn, the man who makes collapse funny, is on the case. PeterKa (talk) 19:36, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

This needs to go on MPR: "State Department calls for Taliban to include women in its government." Hey Taliban! Don't forget to mask up and get vaccinated too! PeterKa (talk) 20:19, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

That is not really addressed to the Taliban, it is addressed to female Democrat voters. If there is one thing I highly object to is Democrat administrations using the State Dept. for domestic political purposes, and creating confusion abroad. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:38, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

Here is Mike Pence's take in the Wall Street Journal: "In February 2020, the Trump administration reached an agreement that required the Taliban to end all attacks on U.S. military personnel, to refuse terrorists safe harbor, and to negotiate with Afghan leaders on creating a new government. As long as these conditions were met, the U.S. would conduct a gradual and orderly withdrawal of military forces.....The progress our administration made toward ending the war was possible because Taliban leaders understood that the consequences of violating the deal would be swift and severe. After our military took out Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani, and U.S. Special Forces killed the leader of ISIS, the Taliban had no doubt we would keep our promise."[80] PeterKa (talk) 13:58, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

If the USA went from a global superpower to a regional power and my taxes went down, I would be happy. Judging from America's recent wars and China's growing power in the sea, I wouldn't want to be a Taiwanese person right now.

It's better to do a very good job at being a regional power, than do a terrible job as a global power. In addition, America has gotten into too many wars post WWII. Conservative (talk) 14:33, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

PLA Unrestricted Warfare Doctrine in an Era of Globalization. "Traditional war" follows certain rules or boundaries, protections for the civilians, humanitarian treatment to POWs, banning the use of WMD, etc. "Unrestricted warfare" means going beyond the limit, whether it is material, spiritual, ethical or technical; and whether it is called 'range', ‘restriction’, ‘restraint’, ‘boundary’, ‘rules’, ‘law’, ‘limit’, or ‘taboo’ ". When the boundaries of “old-style warfare” are broken, there is only one reality left: the entire human society is treated as a battlefield. The reasoning goes that the PRC, being the weaker party justifies tactics described in Unrestricted Warfare, since conventional tactics may not ensure victory against the US. [1]

You guys are nuts if you wanna give up global leadership to the CCP. That means dancing to their tune. Sure, the U.S. needs reform in it allowing the military industrial complex, Big Tech and corrupt oligarchs running things, but playing second fiddle to a bunch of thugs who will cut your heart out and sell it while you're still breathing is insane. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:10, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

I don't think Trump's agreement with the Taliban is anything for Pence to brag about. The Afghans released 5,000 Taliban prisoners and got only worthless promises. But the decision to withdraw was Biden's and not Trump's.

Giving up imperial status doesn't seem to have helped Britain financially. They drastically cut military spending in 1968 under the "East of Suez" plan. Control of middle eastern oil shifted to OPEC, prices soared, and the British government went bankrupt in 1975. IMF economists took over and ran the economy "in the manner of a banana republic," as they say. PeterKa (talk) 17:10, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

The CCP is not going to be a global power. They have a ton of debt and an aging population.Conservative (talk) 17:55, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

"China's gonna eat our lunch? C'mon, man" How Bidenesque. Even Soros doesn't see things that way anymore, and is sending a message to all the other oligarchs on the planet, including Big Tech oligarchs, as well as Chinese oligarchs who have made fortunes and are on the run from the CCP. This is YUGE. Soros is on our side, and Xi Jinping woke up to find out the rest of the planet is pretty well united against him. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 16:49, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

It might take longer for the CCP to have the capability to conquer Taiwan than I thought.

Popular Mechanics: "Could China be ready for this scenario by 2027? Probably not. It would most likely take until 2035 to build enough sealift to transport the invasion force. China would also be smart to build more sealift than it needs, as each ship will have to make multiple trips to and from the island, exposed during each run to Taiwanese (and likely American) ships, planes, and submarines."[81]

And of course, the USA could choose to boycott Chinese goods or severely cut back its trade with China if the Chinese chose to attack Taiwan. Conservative (talk) 18:17, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

The first step in the CCP's bid for global hegemony is behind us - weakening the US and global economy with the release of covid; the next step is a move against Taiwan, beginning with exploding an EMP over the United States to knock out the power grid. A large portion of the US will be dead in 90 days without electricity. If they don't move now, and wait for President Kamala, their planning has been futile. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:31, August 18, 2021 (EDT)

Dead Americans can't buy anything. China does not want dead Americans in its homeland. The only Americans China wants dead are the ones that might try to protect Taiwan when China attacks it in the future. Conservative (talk) 22:36, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

https://eagleforum.org/publications/efr/may21/chinas-communist-party-wants-to-kill-you.html

China’s Communist Party Wants to Kill You, May 2021 Eagle Forum Report

“	It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans. But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century, a century in which the CCP leads the world. We, as revolutionary humanitarians, do not want deaths, but if history confronts us with a choice between deaths of Chinese and those of Americans, we’d have to pick the latter, as, for us, it is more important to safeguard the lives of the Chinese people and the life of our Party.	”
—Chi Haotian, ex-Vice-Chairman of China’s Military Commissionm

What? You think he meant thousands and not millions? What? You think the Eagle Forum does not research its content before publishing? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:57, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

RobS, I think you have a serious reading comprehension problem in this matter. As a person who was a professional computer programmer, I can understand basic "If, then" logic. Evidently, you cannot!

"For almost four decades, many analysts suggested that war between the United States and the Soviet Union was inevitable. Despite a few close calls, it never happened. It is entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that China and the United States will not again find themselves in armed conflict."[82] Conservative (talk) 01:32, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

You're not going to win this argument. You got two major screw-ups already. First, your Bidenesque reasoning and logic which Biden himself has already backpeddled on. And secondly, ignoring the documented threat published by the Eagle Forum and bringing in irrelevant references to the Soviet Union, to deflect., RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:13, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

If you find yourself in a hole, then stop digging. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:15, August 20, 2021 (EDT

China's bribed Joe Biden. They've infiltrated various USA institutions.[83] And they sell the USA a ton of merchandise. Why would they bother invading?

"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill." - Sun Tzu Conservative (talk) 13:51, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

But China's power will be fleeting. They have a ton of debt and an aging population that doesn't like foreign immigrants. Conservative (talk) 13:53, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Now you're just being redundant. What? you think readers are stupid and didn't hear what you said the first time? RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:29, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

What was Biden thinking?

In one way, Joe Biden's views on Afghanistan are nothing that needs to be explained. Withdrawal is a common enough opinion and one that he shares with the previous three American presidents. All the same, none of them pursued the idea with anything like Biden's determination. It's hard to imagine Bush, Obama, or Trump sacrificing their presidencies for this cause. In fact, it seems that Trump's support for withdrawal was mostly about extracting concessions from the Afghan government.[84]

Biden is doing it for Beau, his eldest son who served ~~in Afghanistan~~ in 2008-2009. Biden was a desperately worried parent at that time. Based on an idiotic theory that links Afghanistan to Beau's death by cancer years later, he believes that Beau died "on behalf of [Afghan] women’s rights."[85] You be bitter too if you expected to pass things on to a son in your image and then had to settle for Hunter.

What does Biden think we can get in exchange for selling out Afghan women? The Taliban hates us for being infidels, not because of our views on women. PeterKa (talk) 01:10, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

I'm guessing most Americans trapped in Afghan are contractors or workers with NGOs, although there could be both civilian US govt. workers and military trapped, as well. While there have been 2400 military deaths in 20 years, there has been 3700+ civilian contractor deaths, so we can guess that there certainly has always been a very large number of contractors. None of this includes other Western civilian personnel. And the Afghan dissident collaborators and their families is somewhere between 18,000 and 70,000. Also, in 20 years there certainly must also have been some intermarriage and children.

The next step is to begin hearing from spouses and families of these contractors. This is not good for the Congressional Democrats who represent these constituents.

So the rumour mill is churning about the 25th Amendment. It requires a 2/3 vote of both Houses, which is not likely a problem. The details of finding office space or a conference room in the White House complex to conduct a 25th Amendment coup seem interesting, but a Cabinet meeting conducted by Kamala by Zoom isn't out of the question either, and remember Marc Elias (who's attempted several coups over just the past few years), is the legal expert on her side (he was Kamala's General Counsel during her ill fated campaign).

So, let's suppose Kamala pulls off a 25th Amendment coup. There wouldn't be a lot of changes in personnel, really. Hunter might be replaced by Meena Harris, and that's about it. Even if Antia Dunn and Susan Rice go, who are the two that have been making policy, the system in place would still remain with an incompetent figurehead and a behind the scenes Politburo running things. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:52, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

Barack's probably working the phones overtime right now. He'd certainly dump Joe for Kamala in a moment. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:16, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

Biden isn't thinking well. He is probably in the 3rd stage of Alzheimer's disease/dementia[86][87] Conservative (talk) 22:22, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

The fact that the Democrat voter base thought last year that Biden was the cream of the crop out of over a dozen party contenders to become president speaks volumes about the lack of basic intelligence among leftists nowadays. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Friday, 22:27, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

Biden will serve his whole term unless he dies. Liberals/leftists always double down and engage in denialism. Biden will only serve one term. The pressure of the Oval Office will accelerate his dementia.

The GOP will not push Biden out due to being afraid of losing the elderly vote. Conservative (talk) 22:28, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

The Democrats never thought Biden was the cream of the crop. They thought Biden was the most electable. Conservative (talk) 22:31, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

Leftists are collectivists, and there already is a closet politburo running things. Biden is no personality cult hero like Clinton or Obama, and he'd be the first one to tell you, "I regret that I have only one life to give for my party." RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:21, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Well, leftists in general are collectivists, but I can definitely name a few leftists who if anything advocate for individualism (albeit a very radical, anarchistic form of individualism that's closer to a "dog-eat-dog world."). In particular, Jean-Paul Sartre, who was even described by Eagle Forum as being someone who advocated for the absolute freedom of the individual, aka individualism. I'll even quote it: "The fourth source [for the American Library Association's radicalization] is Jean-Paul Sartre, the French existentialist who was so fashionable in the 1940s. He held the absolute freedom of the individual to be the highest good and yet saw all values as relative. His idea that there are no rules by which we must govern our conduct dispenses handily with Madison's idea that the Ten Commandments are necessary for peaceful self-government." I'd also argue Voltaire was similar in that regard. Pokeria1 (talk) 21:14, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Even Soros said the other day, "The U.S. stands for a democratic, open society in which the role of the government is to protect the freedom of the individual. Mr. Xi believes Mao Zedong invented a superior form of organization, which he is carrying on: a totalitarian closed society in which the individual is subordinated to the one-party state." [88]

Looks like Xi won't be invited back to Davos anytime soon. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:51, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

In this day and age where the Democrats can churn out two impeachments in one term, and a second one in 10 days or 10 minutes or whatever, anything is possible - especially if they feel in danger of losing power. You're taking your conservative approach to the extreme by denying the reality that is around you - the threat of war with China, and the threat Biden is to national security. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 02:27, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

In his interview with Stephanopoulos, Biden again cited Beau serving in Afghanistan with either the army or the navy (!?!). Beau actually served as an army major in Iraq. Biden has told this story many times and with great feeling. Now thousands of Americans are stranded in Afghanistan in an attempt to validated this fake story and his status as a grieving father. It reminds me of the fake mission to Cambodia that was "seared" in John Kerry's memory. Hey John, Apocalypse Now was just a movie. It was not based on your life. PeterKa (talk) 19:20, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

I'd be grieving, too, if my one son who amounted to something in life (as corrupt as he was) passed away leaving me with the other as the "smartest man I know" (which undoubtedly, is the one true statement Biden ever uttered). RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:22, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

One of the interesting aspects of the times we live in under this socialist junta is the rebirth of Kremlinology. Since reporters and news organizations can place no stock in official pronouncements (countless examples, such as statements by Biden and Gen. Milley over the past 6 weeks, or daily pronouncements by Jen Psaki), Kremlinologists have to "read the tea leaves," like who is standing next to who on Lenin's mausoleum at the May Day parade. Criticism mounts in Biden's absence, so he rushes back for 20 minutes to make a contradictory and nonsensical speech, then returns to vacation. Then in the Stephanopoulos interview, he falls back on the old Clinton tactic of "that was yesterday, old news" when we already know that nobody in the White House, Pentagon or intelligence community has a clue what is going on (caveat: unless it is happening by design).

So, what's the latest in Biden junta Kremlinology? Kamala disappears for 6 days. Rumours mount of a 25th Amendment coup. Like the rushed press conference 2 days ago, Kamala reappears at Biden's side. IOWs, the purpose of the press conference is not about anything said, it is to quash rumours among foreign governments and give the impression that Biden is in full control. It's the "optics", to use a D.C. term, and incorporate it into the Kremlinology lexicon. This has been true for a long time, even in the Obama era. It is the optics, not the substance of anything said. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:24, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

In defense of China

The Latin Americans are invading the USA. Not the Chinese. Conservative (talk) 13:44, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

So, evidently, you are struggling with the concept of national security. It appears you fail to connect the dots between the national security threat Biden created on the southern border, and the national security threat Biden has created being in bed with the Chinese communists through his son, Hunter's business. And we haven't even broached the subject of the national security threat Biden created with the Afghan collapse vis-a-vis the growth of terrorism. Or the national security threat Biden has created by the loss of confidence among allies in dealing with both the threat of Chinese aggressive actions (in the South China Sea and along the Indian border) and the renewed threat of global terrorism coming from Afghanistan.

Now, if you somehow want to connect China to the national security threat on the southern border, please do so here. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:43, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Soros flips

To paraphrase Biden NSA Jake "Al Qaeda is on Our Side" Sullivan, Soros is on our side! RobS^{Free Kyle!} 12:48, August 19, 2021 (EDT)

Worst president ever

In truth, Biden still has a ways to go before he's as bad a president as James Madison, who ginned up a war with Britain at a time when the U.S. had no army or navy. But he's getting close. Here is the New York Post: "Call Afghanistan what it is: The worst hostage crisis in American history." In terms of historical analogies, the Afghanistan crisis is now the Iranian hostage crisis and the fall of Saigon rolled into one. When Biden remembers the 1970s, does he think, "Yeah, let's do all that again"? PeterKa (talk) 07:49, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

In 1982, I made up my mind that Biden was obnoxious scum. Sadly, he's only gotten worse. And that was before he ever fantasized about being president, or shined in the Bork and Clarence Thomas hearings, or had SCOTUS overturn his Violence Against Women's Act, which everyone who voted for it told him would happen but he insisted on an election-year gimmick.

Honestly, when Obama was president. I prayed Obama would stay safe and nothing would happen to him.

The biggest lie perpetrated on the American people, and black people in particular in recent decades, is not WMD, or Hillary was innocent, or Trump-Russia or Ukraine scandal. It is that Biden is not a racist scumbag. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 08:09, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

As to Madison, maybe it was to force Congress to appropriate funds for an Army and Navy. It wouldn't be the first time such tactics were engineered. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:34, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Madison abolished the army in 1810. Perhaps he never expected to go to war against anyone at that time. Later that year, the "war hawks" made a strong showing in the midterms. When Congress recreated the army, Madison wasn't happy about it. He wanted to conquer Canada with militia units only. As for the navy, the Jeffersonian ideal was a navy for coastal defense only, a so-called gunboat navy. Madison's focus was on winning the 1812 election. He figured imitating the War Hawks would help him do it.

As Biden becomes increasingly aggressive about seeking the "worst president ever" title, what can we expect? The British burned down Madison's White House, inspired secessionist movements in multiple states, and forced his Treasury to default -- the only time that happened in U.S. history. PeterKa (talk) 10:14, August 21, 2021 (EDT)

According to the Congressional Research Service (pgs 2-3) the cost of the war was 2.2% of GDP, compared to 2.3% in Vietnam, 0.3% for the Gulf War, and as of 2010, Iraq & Afghanistan 1.2%. I was astounded, cause I always thought 1812 as just another brisk, jolly little war. But then again, it's probably number crunchers like this in the CRS that convince Congress to keep appropriating money for 20 years.

Besides the Taliban, the only other winners in this war were arms merchants of death and the military-industrial complex.

What we need is a Nye Committee investigation. This Daily Mail article is fascinating. Numerous examples of the corruption involved. A retired Air Force general brokered a $549 million (of US taxpayer money) deal for planes for the Afghan Airforce that never flew and was ultimately sold for scrap for $40,257; $28 million for green camouflage in a desert environment; and this:

$36 million was spent on a vast command-and-control facility at Camp Leatherneck in Helmand Province. It included office space for 1500 people as well as a war room, a briefing theater and enough office space for 1,500 people. It was commissioned for the 2010 surge of U.S. troops. 'It appears to be the best constructed building I have seen in my travels in Afghanistan,' Sopko wrote in July 2013. 'Unfortunately, it is unused, unoccupied, and presumably will never be used for its intended purpose.' Its furniture was still in plastic when he visited the facility...

What's going on here? Time was, the camouflage and furniture makers were all in somebody's congressional district. But not anymore. I'll bet $100 the furniture was made in China. The old defense contractor game is too well known. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:59, August 21, 2021 (EDT)

See, nowadays members of Congress do not vote for defense appropriations to bring jobs to their district; they vote large appropriations for a kickback of taxpayer funds to their campaign committees, short circuiting the taxpayer-voter. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:08, August 21, 2021 (EDT)

Leftists attack Larry Elder with Jim Crow antics

I'm noticing a common theme: woke white leftists pretending to be the spokespersons for blacks are smearing Larry Elder, who's running in the California gubernatorial recall election. Apparently he's a "black white supremacist," according to their Kool-Aid filled mouths. And the latest is that they're smearing him over mere allegations of sexism, supposed violence towards women, etc. etc. Classic Jim Crow tactics: ignore due process and slander blacks of violence towards women to destroy their reputations. And ironically enough, these are the same bumbling left-wing idiots who use baseless KKK analogies against whoever they disagree with. Notwithstanding the veracity of the allegations, such leftist tactics are still ridiculous, to say the very least. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Friday, 19:38, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Elder is too well known in California - he's been on the air following Rush Limbaugh since 1994. California Blacks know him too well, and he's an icon and role model in the black community. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:17, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Ah, no wonder the left is currently panicking as evident in all their vain baiting efforts to destroy his character. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Saturday, 20:22, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Those attacks are probably aimed at white liberals (a minority in California) who never heard of Elder, but they fall flat when blacks hear them. In fact, they even sound racist to blacks. And Elder is just the man to articulate that. Now, being California, there is some spillover into national media, but this isn't likely to play out according to the usual playbook. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:32, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

Just as in the case of Obama, any white person who opposes or even criticizes Elder, is motivated by racism. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:34, August 20, 2021 (EDT)

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-== "Pay to play" at Hillary's State Department ==
-How much was face time with Secretary Clinton worth? For Bahrain, it was $100,000 from the government plus another “$25,000 to $50,000” from the state oil company.[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/22/hillary-clinton-president-for-sale/] Get this: "Crown Prince Salman of Bahrain wanted to reach the secretary of State, he was told to call the Clinton Foundation to make an appointment." The prince had already donated $32 million to the Clinton Global Initiative -- and they were still shaking him for money! See, the prince made a rookie mistake, which is the only reason we know about his travails. Dealing with the State Department leaves a paper trail, which has been uncovered thanks to the magnificent work of Judicial Watch. What he should have done is go directly to Huma. Huma turns out to be the link between Clinton and wealthy Arab donors -- the epicenter of corruption. This level of corruption sounds less like modern times and more like the stuff Jefferson's diplomats had to deal with when they visited less civilized regions such as Paris or the Barbary Coast. Someone needs to ask Clinton which donor paid how much to cancel the Benghazi rescue mission. See "[http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428219/benghazi-scandal-military-offered-rescue-team-state-department E-mail: Military Offered to Send Rescue Team to Benghazi During Attack]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 05:32, 24 August 2016 (EDT)
+== Dems push UFOs ==
-:It's not that Hillary is insensitive to ethical concerns. She is attacking this problem, but in a manner that reminds one of Augustine ("Give me chastity and continence, but not yet.") See "[http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-foundation-transition-plan-227386 Ethicists scoff at Clinton Foundation transition plan]". Will she really be less greedy as a president? Let's not find out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:29, 26 August 2016 (EDT)
-::Are you concerned that you might not be able to continue to pay your usual bribes to Hillary after she is elected president? Well, worry no more! She's already working on that: "[http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/08/clintons-already-planning-next-stage-of-corruption.php Clintons Already Planning Next Stage of Corruption]." The ''Wall Street Journal'' spells it out: "the [Clinton] foundation’s largest project, the Clinton Health Access Initiative, might continue to accept foreign government and corporate funding," [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:41, 27 August 2016 (EDT)
-== Trump reverses immigration stance ==
+In the last few days, Harry Reid, Obama, and the Biden administration have launched an offensive to push UFOs back into the American mainstream. See "[https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-conventional-wisdom-on-ufos-is-shifting/ The Conventional Wisdom on UFOs is Shifting]." The observations are the same old, same old. Military pilot sees mysterious light zipping around. We're stuck in the 1960s with Project Blue Book and the Condon Report. Those aliens just don't quit, do they? I say shoot them down with a Sidewinder already. If Obama believed any of this nonsense, why didn't he do something about it when he was president? It sure sounds like he's having a ball at our expense nowadays.
-We all saw this one a mile off, didn't we? "[http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/08/25/krauthammer_trump_immigration_stance_exactly_what_he_denounced_bush_soft-liners_for_taking.html Krauthammer: Trump Immigration Stance Exactly What He Denounced Bush, Soft-Liners For Taking]." The only surprise is, Why didn't Trump reverse himself right after clinching the nomination? That's what pundit after pundit predicted during the primaries. As long as the alternative is a woman who is determined to sell America out to the Gulf Arabs, he's got my vote. As Hillary's health declines, Huma will become the real president. Huma's mom wrote an article defending the 9/11 attack.[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3751777/Huma-Abedin-worked-assistant-editor-mother-s-radical-Muslim-journal-blamed-9-11-Hillary-Clinton-s-aide.html?ITO=1490] If either Hillary or Huma disagree, they haven't said anything. Really, you might as well vote for ISIS. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:07, 27 August 2016 (EDT)
+When Russia hoax was discredited, ''The New York Times'' had a staff vote on what story/hoax to push next. The result was the 1619 project. When there is nothing good to point to in terms of economics, crime, or foreign policy, you can always push UFOs.
-:FBI Director Comey put us under Roman law when he announced that Hillary could not be prosecuted because she didn't have criminal intent, or ''mens rea'' as the Romans called it. Here is another famous principle of Roman Law: Silence implies consent, ''qui tacet consentire videtur.'' [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 04:59, 27 August 2016 (EDT)
-== Hillary on women and children ==
+Why can't we get the good part of the 1960s back, you know, the mini-skirts and the great music? But no, apparently what the Dems miss are the race riots, the gas lines, and the UFOs. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:05, May 30, 2021 (EDT
-From a recent Hillary Clinton speech: "During the raid to kill bin Laden, when every second counted, our SEALs took the time to move the women and children in the compound to safely. Donald Trump may not get it, but that's what honor looks like."[http://time.com/4355797/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-foreign-policy-speech-transcript/] Yeah, and Obama also ordered that all the men in the compound be shot on sight. Why was it so important to end bin Laden's life? Because Obama had already promised to close Guantanamo. Quick! Get the man another Nobel Peace Prize. I think a few Branch Davidian children may have survived the Waco raid. So Bill deserves a silver star, at least.<br/>"Take no prisoners" was once a metaphor for extreme ruthlessness. Yet it is Obama's literal policy toward Jihadis. Don't get me wrong. I'm happy bin Laden got what was coming to him. But don't let Hillary convince you that Republicans are ruthless while Democrats have "honor." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:18, 28 August 2016 (EDT)
+:They're Chinese surveillance drones and American counter-drones. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:34, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
-== Trump comes roaring back ==
+:Of course it doesn't take much to convert a surveillance drone with a precision-guided weapon to knock out a web hosting facility, for example and destroy internal communications. You don't have to ban the president from Twitter.. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:36, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
-Just a few days ago, the pundits were telling us Trump was finished and the election was over. Now, Trump is tied in Ohio,[http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/clintontrumpohiopoll] tied in the national tracking polls, and a mere three points behind in Pennsylvania, the state most likely to be the pivot of this election.[http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/] Judging from rally attendance, Trump's supporters are likely to turn out at a significantly higher rate than Hillary supporters. I assume the turnaround is due to the "pay-to-play" allegations against Hillary that I detail above. With legendary consultant Roger Ailes advising Trump on debate strategy, there may be more good news in the pipeline. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:30, 30 August 2016 (EDT)
+:''RT:'' [https://www.rt.com/news/525111-libya-killer-drone-attack/ Autonomous drones may have ‘hunted down’ and attacked troops in Libya without human control – UN report]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:54, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
-::Hillary's convention bump has dissapated, the pay for play scandal has had more light shown on it and she continues to hide from the press.
+::None of the videos are recent. There is one from 2004 and another from 2007. Here is a good debunking: "[https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/military/story/2021-05-29/navy-ufo-videos-skeptics Those amazing Navy UFO videos may have down-to-earth explanations, skeptics contend: The truth may be out there ... or right here at home, in the form of camera quirks and other less sexy phenomenon]." Money quote: “There’s nothing new here, it’s the same grainy videos we’re used to seeing,” said Michael Shermer, the founding publisher of Skeptic magazine." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:37, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Dr. Ross's findings: "In 1969, however, Dr. Ross met two astronomers who were having regular UFO encounters. Both also happened to be involved in occult activity. Upon investigation, Dr. Ross consistently found a connection between occult involvement and residual UFO encounters. For example, he said, countries with a high degree of occult activity such as Russia during the Soviet era, France, and certain parts of Brazil also had high percentages of UFO encounters. During Russia's Soviet period when every expression of religion except occult activity had been outlawed, he said, “Russians were seeing UFOs at five to eight times the rate Americans were." (see: [[UFO]]).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:36, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
+::::(a) Why would it be surprising that Russian's spotted drones and other aircraft 5 to 8 times the rate more than Americans, both before the 1959 U-2 incident and after? (b) What are Dr. Ross's sources? Soviet media?  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:06, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
+::UFOs began with the 1947 Roswell crash. The simple truth is that, the Roswell crash was a specially fitted weather balloon with a Geiger counter over the Trinity Test Site, the sight of the first nuclear explosion.  The govt. never imagined radioactive atmospheric contamination when they performed the test in July 1945, and the public had high confidence in nuclear weapons at the time. So the harmful side effects from testing, such as atmospheric and downwind atmospheric contamination were highly top secret so as not to alarm the public. Hence the UFO myth, promoted by the Air Force, was born. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 09:47, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
-::And Trump is now more disciplined and has all be erased her fundraising edge.
+::If the public were to figure out that nuclear particles lingered in the atmosphere, floated downwind, returned to earth as rainfall, watered the grass that cows eat and was passed to children in cows milk, public pressure would kill further research. It was another 15 years before the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty of 1962 banning atmospheric testing was signed when researchers finally understood the damage atmospheric testing does.  In that interim the public swallowed the cover story about UFOs hook, line, and sinker. Since the public and media is so gullible, willingly consuming b.s. and building their own myths on, UFOs were used for cover for all other sorts of military aircraft and drone testing. [[Psyop]] is fine art used by all modern powers (even against their own populations), Trump-Russia and the Batstew flu being only two of the most recent. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 09:59, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
-::I hope he makes gains in the battleground states and is able to win in those states.
+::You, Conservative, for instance, accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist for suspecting certain troll sockpuppets, yet nonetheless have not corrected your falling for the CCP propaganda about eating bats in certain articles and essays that you picked up from mainstream media. Likewise, Karajou fell for the CCP propaganda in the original coronavirus article, as well. What's the lesson? Even alleged conservatives in 2020-21 are highly gullible when it comes to reading mainstream media. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:05, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
-::In addition, most of the press's lack of objectively is apparent to most people I would think. I rarely buy newspapers as I don't want to reward incompetence and malevolence towards people of goodwill (Also, why buy newspapers when you can get the news free online or at libraries for free). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:28, 30 August 2016 (EDT)
+:: Here's one more example: above I cited the fact that all NASA technology was developed for a military purpose, with cover stories now about measuring global warming, etc. Satellite reconnaissance was developed to replace the U-2, after the vulnerability was exposed in the 1959 U-2 incident. All the history books will tell you the U-2 was equipped with photographic equipment; few will you tell you it was also equipped with Geiger counters (like the "Roswell Spaceship") to measure atmospheric contamination which likewise would aid in pinpointing ''when'' a nuclear tests occured to aid in understanding how advanced the USSR's nuclear program was. Now, satellite technology was not developed for radio, television, and internet communication. Those are consumer spinoffs. it was developed for one purpose only, a military purpose.  Likewise UFOs were never anything more than a cover story, which the govt. can't come clean on now cause it has to protect the institutional reputation of the Air Force and maintain public confidence in it.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:27, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
+::::One more afterthought: Then we have the "life on other planets" spinoff, an outgrowth of public misperceptions about UFOs, which aids in justifying more funding for NASA. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:03, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
+:::It is still unknown what caused the coronavirus pandemic. The lab theory has increased its plausibility though.
-== Kerry: "The people wouldn't know what's going on." ==
+:::The Chinese had lots of Chinese travel throughout the world, but closed down travel internally. So ultimately, the Chinese bear a lot of blame.
-The problem is not that Obama pays out enormous amounts in ransom or refuses to allow the Navy to defend itself from Iranian attacks. It's that the press still occasionally tells people what's going on. And that's straight from our esteemed Secretary of State Bob Kerry: "Perhaps the media would do us all a service if they didn’t cover [terrorism] quite as much. People wouldn’t know what’s going on." Like Orwell wrote in ''1984'', "ignorance is strength." If the American people would just mind their own business, the Jihadis could get back to work "tightening their fetters," as the Koran puts it. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:02, 31 August 2016 (EDT)
+:::In addition, if some Chinese people's exotic food taste caused the pandemic (wild animals at markets), the Chinese are still to blame because they should have shut the wild animals at markets down after SARS.
-== Trump! Trump leads in Rasmussen Poll!  ==
+:::So anyway you slice it, the Chinese bear a lot of responsibility for the pandemic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:38, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
-Even though I wanted Trump to win over Hillary Clinton, I had some big doubts that he could win even though I did agree with Newt Gingrich that Trump was not trying to win to the best of his ability.
+::::It's a synthetic virus, and a synthetic vaccine. All the old rules guided by our experience with nature are tossed out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:54, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
+"All inferences from historical evidence are probabilistic." - David Hackett Fischer, ''Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought'' (New York: Harper Collins, 1970).
-But now Trump appears to be focused and on message, more disciplined and closing the fundraising gap.
+I don't need to be a know-it-all. I can live with uncertainty.  And I can live without ever knowing what precisely caused the pandemic. Given the secretiveness/untrustworthiness of atheistic, Chinese communists, we will probably never know anytime soon exactly how the pandemic started. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:12, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
+::We know it came from China. We know it's man-made. 2+2=4. None of this is a revelation in May 2021 (only the veil of censorship was lifted). All of it was available in open source reporting, which I have documented in Conservapedia since March 2020.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:37, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
-He's also pruning away some of his "New York attitude" and so he's nicer/humbler and subsequently gained a wider appeal. I had some big doubts that the "Trump dog" would want to learn some tricks as far as his personality/character goes, but he appears to making some changes.
+:Lynn Cato, senior bibliographer for the library of Congress, created an entry on UFO bibliography for the United States Air Force Office of Scientific Research. After a two-year investigation, in which she reviewed thousands of documents, Cato stated: "A large part of the available UFO literature...deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities...poltergeist manifestations and 'possession'....Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomenon which have long been known to theologians and parapsychologists." (SCP Journal Aug 1977)[http://www.letusreason.org/NAM25.htm]
-The big reason I wanted Trump to win is I think "Crooked Hillary" would make an even worse president than Barack Obama. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:07, 1 September 2016 (EDT)
+:I almost feel sorry for atheists/agnostics who have no reasonable explanation for UFOs. Reasonable and informed Christians can easily say UFOs are demonic. This is yet another example of how infinitely superior and sublime the Christian worldview is!
-:I just read one of the most humorous statements I have ever seen on the internet. They were not meaning to be humorous, but nonetheless it was a humorous statement. It's from the Vox news website. Here it is: "It’s unclear exactly why Clinton is getting less popular."[http://www.vox.com/2016/9/1/12749102/hillary-clinton-polling-august] Unclear? Crooked Hillary! The crooked Hillary meme is reaching critical mass.
-:"Hillary Clinton Mirrors Richard Nixon in 1972, Donald Trump Mirrors Andrew Jackson".[http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/15/clinton-mirrors-nixon-re-elect-trump-andrew-jackson/] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:23, 1 September 2016 (EDT)
+:On behalf of all Christendom, I once again declare victory![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:19, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
-:*Fivethirtyeight rates Rasmussen a C+ pollster. LA Times, rated A-, has a new survey out that shows Trump ahead by 3 points. The other current top-rated poll is Ipsos (A-). It shows Clinton ahead by <s>2 points</s> one point.[http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/national-polls/#plus] In short, after weeks of pundits sputtering that Trump was toast, the race is all tied up. For me, the hope of seeing the drive-by media humiliated is the No. 1 reason to vote for Trump.<br/>I found this headline at the ''Huffington Post'' amusing: "[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-colin-kaepernick-cartoon_us_57c757e1e4b0a22de093f39e?section=& So Donald Trump Can Criticize America, But Colin Kaepernick Can’t?]" After having invested so much into the "Trump is satan" storyline, the drive-bys now wants to use their own caricature of Trump as the gold standard of acceptable behavior. I do not follow sports news and I do not know what this Kaepernick fellow might have done to merit a comparison with Trump. But I have to wonder, is he a racist of some kind? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:47, 1 September 2016 (EDT)
+::Now you're going off the deep end with crazy stuff. UFO's originated at Roswell to cover up what was known about atmospheric fallout from a nuclear blast. Period. Period. What more crazy stuff do want to add? MPR should be reserved for News headlines, not essays on irrelevant topics. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:45, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
-Fivethirtyeight is run by Nate Silver at the ''New York Times''.  And if memory serves, and I think it does, he totally flubbed on the issue of the rise of Trump in the Republican primaries. I believe this was pointed out by [[User:VargasMilan]] in a previous main page talk post. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:51, 1 September 2016 (EDT)
-:I do try to be a realist and in 2012, Rasmussen was near the bottom of the heap as far as presidential polling accuracy. Ipsos/Reuters was number #1.[http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/11/the-most-accurate-polls-of-2012-148876]
-:Pew Research who is quoted in several of Conservapedia's atheism articles was ranked #6.
+::[https://www.nytimes.com/1994/09/18/us/wreckage-in-the-desert-was-odd-but-not-alien.html NYT retracted it's UFO story in 1994], only 47 years after it gave birth to it. That is progress. But what use is filling up MPR with Essays and not headlines in 2021 when there certainly is more pressing news, such as the CCP reporting the first case of Bird Flu (coincidentally days after Americans realize we under bio-attack) transmitted to humans. Bird flu only has 100% mortality rate in birds, so there's nothing to worry about, I suppose. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:53, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
-:Anyways, Trump is closing the gap and I hope the clock does not run out on him. We will see what develops in terms of: the economy, the presidential debates, the Clinton Foundation scandal, Hillary Clinton's health in light of the grueling schedule that is often required in presidential elections in the home stretch, Islamic terrorism, Wikileaks revelations, ObamaCare failures and Middle East politics. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:06, 1 September 2016 (EDT)
+::And wow, that's certainly a credible source, the United States Airforce, the guys who invented the UFO hoax as a cover story for atmospheric monitoring for nuclear particles at a time when the public viewed nuclear bombs in a positive light and the hope to maintain world peace. Yes, it certainly is a credible source for this statement, "mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities...poltergeist manifestations and 'possession'....Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press [''et seqq'']....". Yes, it's a testament to how gullible the "popular press" is for psyops and propaganda. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:21, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
-::And the debates. There's probably a record number of people who will not decide til the October debates. And so far it appears Johnson and Stein hurt Hillary more than Trump.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 22:23, 1 September 2016 (EDT)
-*Nate Silver makes lots of predictions, and some will be wrong. You only listen to people who never make mistakes? Silver doesn't work for the ''New York Times'' anymore. He's at ESPN. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:56, 2 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::Post Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, the USA has drifted more to the left because much of the world is to the left of the USA politically. As a result, GOP candidates have a tougher and tougher electoral map to tackle. Hillary has this built in advantage.
-:::At the same time, Hillary Clinton is a weak candidate.  Even if she wins, she may be a one term. However, Anne Coulter thinks Clinton will attempt to flood the USA with even more immigrants plus push amnestry though and if the GOP doesn't win in 2016, they may never win again. But who knows, maybe Trump-Breitbart News-Roger Ailes may launch a news network to the right of Fox News which becomes more popular than Fox News ([http://www.salon.com/2016/09/05/donald-trumps-real-goal-for-2016-trying-to-beat-fox-news/ Some leftist are worried about this]).  If Trump runs again in 2020 (since he is in excellent health now), that could help his campaign.
+:::You forgot to mention the leaked emails made by Fauci that if anything proved beyond a doubt that he was a charlatan and a fraud. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 06:28, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
-:::I have my doubts about Coulter's prediction as it usually takes at least 3-5 years to become a citizen of the USA even if you get your green card (permanent residency). My guess is that any amnesty would be a political compromise and go into effect slowly. And amnesty could be hard to push through in the USA's present day polarized/gridlocked politics.
+::Why are we pushing the MSM anyways? Right above that essay, it says ''"News the MSM isn't telling you"'', then the first article or essay cites the ''LA Times'' garbage on govt. manufactured conspiracy theories debunked decades ago. I mean, what is the point? CP and its editors rely on MSM to educate themselves? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:00, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Unexplained UFOs that seem extraterrestial have been seen outside of Roswell. For example, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4BqJ0D4xyo Possible UFOs seen swarming US Navy ship].
-:::I think it is tough to make 2016 presidential predictions at this point due to the fact that Hillary is a weak candidate. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:22, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
+:::Demons are in the Bible. The Bible says that the devil can appear to be something he is not. Namely, the Bible says "Satan disguises himself as an angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14).
-::::The three most recent A-rated polls are Ipsos (Clinton +1), IBD/TPP (tie) and Fox (Clinton +2).[http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/national-polls/] Trump does better in polls that ask about Johnson. The A-rated pollsters do this, but many less carefully done polls just ask about Trump and Hillary. A lot of Blacks turned out to vote for Obama in 2008 and 2012. But otherwise Republican turnout is higher, so you can add 2.5 points to Trump's numbers on that basis. Then there's the "Trump effect." Trump's rallies are so much better attended that Hillary has stopped holding rallies to avoid being embarrassed. Finally, if Ailes is coaching Trump on debates, we can anticipate that his performance will improve in that area. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:50, 6 September 2016 (EDT)
-== My condolences ==
+:::So given the evidence and given what the Bible says, one can reasonably infer that UFOs certainly could be demonic. It is a reasonable inference. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:03, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
-Here is the obit in the ''New York Times'': "[http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/06/obituaries/phyllis-schlafly-conservative-leader-and-foe-of-era-dies-at-92.html?src=trending Phyllis Schlafly, Conservative Leader and Foe of E.R.A., Dies at 92]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:21, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
+::::Exhibit B: Why are the demons more interested in a Navy ship than the Russians or Soviets? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:36, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
-:Aye. Sorry to hear of your loss. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 21:39, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
-::I'm so sorry. [[User:BrianKay|BrianKay]] ([[User talk:BrianKay|talk]]) 21:55, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::My condolences as well, Andy, and best wishes to you and your family.--[[User:Whizkid|Whizkid]] ([[User talk:Whizkid|talk]]) 23:46, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
-::::And mine Andy. Alan Evans [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 23:51, 5 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::::Appreciate the condolences!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 00:18, 6 September 2016 (EDT)
+::::There is no such thing as an unexplained UFO. It's a drone, aircraft, or cruise missile test. It could be American or foreign. You watch too much Hollywood and read too much MSM. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:08, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - [[William Shakespeare]], ''Hamlet'' [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:14, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
-== Proof that Bill Clinton is a racist ==
+::::::I saw one fly over the University of New Mexico at a subsonic rate of speed (morethan 500 mph) and very low altitude (500 ft) burning like green phosphorus. The explanation is quite simple: an F-14 fighter pilot doing night training from Kirtland Airbase accidentally fired a dummy bomb over the city. I'm sure he washed out of the program. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:21, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
+From History.com: [https://www.history.com/news/wwii-ufos-allied-airmen-orange-lights-foo-fighters Mysterious UFOs Seen by WWII Airman Still Unexplained]. They were cigar-shaped, glowed red and could turn on a dime. Which ruled out even the most sophisticated rockets of the time. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:24, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
+:[https://www.timesofisrael.com/all-alone-oxford-study-says-chance-of-intelligent-life-elsewhere-extremely-rare/ We’re all alone: Oxford study says chance of intelligent life elsewhere very low]
-Bill Clinton used the slogan, "Make America great again" back in 2008. Now he admits that this was racist and a fraud on the American people.[http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/09/clinton-make-america-great-again-is-racist.php] “Saying I’d like to Make America Great again is like me saying I’d like to be 20 again." Obamanomics is the new normal. The Clintons have no solution, so get used to it. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:50, 8 September 2016 (EDT)
+:UFOs are not run by little green men - UFOs are demons. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
-:No, it wasn't just a one time thing. "[http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/01/watch-three-times-bill-clinton-promised-make-america-great/ WATCH: Four Times Bill Clinton Promised to Make America Great Again]. If I can believe what I am seeing in this video, he both inhaled and exhaled. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:03, 8 September 2016 (EDT)
+::I'll be blunt, I'm extremely doubtful a God who created the entire universe would leave literally only a single planet teeming with life. Seems like a waste, especially for a God who ultimately DESIRES ruling over his creation (wouldn't create it if he didn't desire to rule and micromanage it). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 06:31, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
-::I've watched over and over again [http://mediaburn.org/video/the-90s-election-specials-raw-clintons-at-maine-south-high-school-2/ this 'proud to be a Goldwater girl speech'] by Hillary in 1993. But guess what? it begins with the fear-mongering and scare tactics that were second nature to the Man From Hope, "''...if this country is gonna make it...". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 01:36, 10 September 2016 (EDT)
+:::In the 1890s, observers reported “a flying machine with a cigar-shaped fuselage and four metallic wings.” Cigar-shaped flying object sitings continued until the 1940s. The flying saucer idea can be traced to a letter by Richard Shaver published in ''Amazing Stories'' in 1943. Thousands of letters poured into the magazine from readers claiming to have had similar encounters. Imagine how busy interstellar traffic would have to be if even 0.01 percent of these represent authentic alien encounters. The UFO era began with a siting at Mt. Rainer in June 1947 followed by the Roswell incident in July. In the 1890s, observers had blimps and airships on their minds, so they saw cigar-shaped objects everywhere. Or perhaps the aliens upgraded their vehicles at the time of Roswell. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:26, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Mt. Rainer overlooks the Hanford Site, established in 1943 to produce weapons-grade plutonium. Again, testing for atmospheric contamination which was moreless unimagined until after the Trinity Test in July 1945. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:05, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
+::::From what I understand, the shape of these things changed over time. Like previous to the space program, the UFOs were less spacecraft like. That is another reason to believe they are demonic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:58, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::A written account from 1890s is moreless [[hearsay]] evidence to the historical researcher, based upon idioms of the time. These accounts also pre-date the Wright Bros. first flight in 1906. There was much interest in airflight at the time by hobbyists and inventors (this predates the military-industrial complex, when most inventions and scientific discoveries came from amateurs and tinkerers).  It could have been a kite, for all we know. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:12, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::Let's take this phrase, for example, ''"the shape of these things changed over time"''. No, not all. '''The written descriptions''' in pre-1947 published accounts '''"changes shape"'''. Period. That is all. Scientifically, and historiographically, that is all the evidence you have. The rest is projection, assumption, and wishful thinking. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:24, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::Now let's analyze the phrase, "turn on a dime", written presumably by a pilot in his flight report: it's a simple statement that the object had more maneuverability than anything he had encountered or was aware of about the maneuverability of aircraft up to that point. Read more published accounts of American B-52 and fighter pilots' first encounters with the manned ME-262. They were flying at 250 mph, but the 262 passed them at 600 mph. These Americas thought they had the best and latest technology. Many of these pilots literally went into shock (meaning they quite specifically loaded their pants in this life and death situation), and/or become highly demoralized. A fewer felt greater motivation to defeat the Nazi regime quickly as the clock was running against the Nazis because it would take years and years to gain access and copy that technology, or develop counter technology against it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:52, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Pokeria, the conditions for life is extremely rare in the universe and a naturalistic formation of the [[origin of life]] is impossible. That is why the atheists have come up with things like the [[panspermia]] hypothesis and the [[multiverse]] hypothesis (but these two things are very implausible and "Hail Mary passes").[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:02, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::Who said anything about a naturalistic formation of the origin of life regarding aliens? I didn't say anything of that nature at all. I just said that it's unlikely God, someone who craves worship above all else, even saving us specifically to ensure he alone is dominant, would just settle for one planet to have life. If anything God would be far above the naturalistic formation of that concept, and thus most certainly CAN create life outside Earth if he so desired. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 18:33, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::It isn't that God craves worship, it's just that he's not going to take instruction or challenges from rebellious children. He didn't save us so that he could be dominant, he created us to retake the Earth from evil after Lucifer had been cast down to Earth.  Salvation restores us to our original purpose.  You evidently have been listening to too much Satan propaganda. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:37, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
-== Wikileaks refutes Clinton/FBI lies ==
+::::::::Of course God's not going to take instruction and challenges from rebellious children, because if he did take instruction/challenges from rebellious children, that makes him look weak, and if he loses Earth, that also makes him look weak. When you fail to retake the Earth from an evil, you're weak. And he restored us to being his slaves, ultimately. We may call him father, but we are ultimately his slaves in the end. And I fully intend for all of humanity to be enslaved to God and Jesus, per their directives. Besides, it's stuff like [[Sinners at the Hands of an Angry God]], which if anything was God propaganda, not Satan propaganda, that demands it, as does even Jesus in the bible with his command to his disciples to spread the good news and create disciples across the world. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 14:12, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
-Hillary's favorite lie these days is that none of the email on her private server was marked classified. FBI Director Comey almost agreed, but not quite. He told us that a very small number of her messages were marked "(C)" for classified. Wikileaks has busted these lies and come up with thousands of examples.[http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/09/boom-navy-veteran-just-destroyed-hillary-clinton-forum-prosecuted-imprisoned-video/] It seems the FBI didn't bother to analyze email that was "only" confidential. This is the lowest level of classification, but Private Manning is in prison for leaking this type of material. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:56, 8 September 2016 (EDT)
+Pokeria, there is nothing in Scripture indicating that God CRAVES worship.  A craving would make Him needy. Also, the Bible says, "For God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." It does not use the plural of WORlDS.  For a much more expansive biblical discussion on this, see: [https://creation.com/did-god-create-life-on-other-planets Did God create life on other planets?] and [https://creation.com/life-on-other-planets Life on other planets?].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:59, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
-:Duh, the most obvious thing: she was Secretary of State. Anything she wrote was classified. Sheesh, anything that came out any oriface was automatically classified, [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 01:26, 10 September 2016 (EDT)
-== Chinese disrespect Obama ==
+:Technically, if we go by the historical elements of what was going on at the time of the bible, you could also say North and South Americans as well as Australians/Pacificans are inherently unsaved/do not exist because at the time the bible was written, none of those locations were even known, certainly not the Americas (the Vikings and Christopher Columbus's discovery of America occurred well after the New Testament was written, much less Jesus's crucifixion and resurrection), so I wouldn't go about using that as an argument if I were you. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 14:12, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
-Obama's reaction to Iranian attacks on U.S. naval ships has shown the world that the man is a joke. Now the Chinese disrespect him at the G20 summit. Here's Krauthammer: "[http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439865/chinese-snub-obama-airport-world-leaders-dont-respect-obama Incident in Hangzhou]." I guess we should have seen this coming a long time ago. When Obama started bowing to royalty -- not to mention the mayor of Tampa -- it was already obvious that diplomacy was not really his thing. After Mexico City, Trump is the one who looks presidential these days.[[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 14:58, 9 September 2016 (EDT)
+*[https://www.brighteon.com/af7a1ecc-2b0e-41bb-8152-32c14e5cc07e Chinese STEALTH DRONES surveilling US energy infrastructure]. Sure, Brighton also used a lot of Q-Anon crap, but it's also interesting to see what sources he uses here.
-:Couldn't have happened to a nicer person - Susan Rice - another  White House flunky who thinks her crap don't stink. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 01:20, 10 September 2016 (EDT)
+:@Conservative, as much as you'd like it to be true that UFO's are demons in the same way you wished Batstew flu came from bats, take a step back. Why are you doing the Deep State and the CCP's dirty work in misleading the people about so-called UFOs?  Why are you, again, allowing yourself to be manipulated by fake news and MSM?  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:22, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
-== Guess who's a woman ==
+:Here's how MPR and the news publishing business works: until you publish a retraction of your false claim the conronavirus came from eating bats, you have zero credibility on UFOs. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:28, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
-At ''The Atlantic'', Peter Beinart has come out with a much discussed article accusing Hillary Clinton being a woman: "[http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/10/fear-of-a-female-president/497564/ Fear of a Female President]." Although she is a "highly conventional presidential candidate" in most ways, one detail gives her away: "The percentage of Americans who hold a “strongly unfavorable” view of her substantially exceeds the percentage for any other Democratic nominee since 1980." The logical conclusion is that she must be a woman. For myself, I try not to notice invidious distinctions of this kind. Dividing humanity serves only to lessen each and every one of us. I won't get into the "is she or isn't she" question. What I want to know is, Where was Beinart during the primaries? His keen observational skills could have prevented the Democrats from making this costly mistake. Here is a reply at NR: "[http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/439887/would-hillary-clintons-critics-love-her-if-she-was-man Peter Beinart Can’t Imagine Any Reason But Sexism For Disliking Hillary Clinton]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:57, 9 September 2016 (EDT)
+:I will agree UFOs are demonic in the sense that their existence is a lie perpetrated by evil people in government, coupled with our own sinful nature to willingly be deceived. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:52, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
-:We're just a nation of bigots, I guess. Thank God for the liberal media to tell us that. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 01:16, 10 September 2016 (EDT)
+::My article [[Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic]] offers evidence that the pandemic could have been started by eating habits or via a lab. There is no 100% certainty on how the pandemic started - despite the protestations of know-it-alls who pretend to know.
-::Of the scores of reasons for people to hate her, it clearly must be sexism--what else?  Deceit? Breaching security? Giving comfort and aid to our enemies?  Racism? Betraying U.S. representatives under attack (in Benghazi)? Pushing oppressive socialism? Other treasonous acts? Of course not! '''''IT'S JUST BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN!!!'''''
-::{{cquote|''If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.''}}
-::-Joseph Goebbels<br /><br />
-::...This is why I rarely engage in such conversation--it gets me all riled up.  I'll get off my soap box now. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 03:12, 10 September 2016 (EDT)
-*It seems that Beinart is a stalking horse for Clinton herself, who followed up by calling Trump supporters, "deplorable...racist, sexist, xenophobic, Islamophobic - you name it".[http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37330420] If Democrats actually believed any of this, it would have come up in the primaries. But I don't recall any commentary along the lines of, "It might be better if we didn't nominate a woman. It could provoke a backlash." Up to now, being a woman was touted as Hillary's greatness asset. Suddenly, it's a reason to feel sorry for her. It's all about creating a useful tool to bash opposition with. Global warming is the same way. It's a reason to bash non-believers, but not a reason to ding Obama's enormous motorcades or personal use of the fuel-inefficient Air Force One. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:57, 11 September 2016 (EDT)
-**Now that Hillary has identified the American voter as the problem, the next logical step is to see if we can be replaced by refugees from Latin America and the Mideast. They can do the voting that Americans just won't do. Wouldn't it be simpler if Hillary could leave us alone and move to Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, or some other country where people appreciate her more? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:56, 12 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::Sounds about right.  I do wish that all those who hate America so much would just go to a different country they like more, instead of trashing this one.  Also, you can't forget about the illegal Mexican immigrants being used to substitute for Americans.  Some conservative election polling moderators have observed buses of Mexicans being brought in, one bus after another, with few, if any, having photo ID.  Luckily, "Anti-discrimination" laws allow them to vote anyway, as I'm sure you already know.  Ick!  Before I melt down, maybe I'll go write a riveting article on paperclips. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 21:54, 12 September 2016 (EDT)
-== NAVY! ==
+::UFO sightings have a history that predates the CCP.  WWII pilots seeing them[https://www.history.com/news/wwii-ufos-allied-airmen-orange-lights-foo-fighters], etc.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:37, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
-I would like to send flowers for Mrs Schlafly, however given I'm the over side of the world in Burma, I don't think that is possible. Does the Eagle Forum accept donations from foreign citizens? [[User:CarlosS|CarlosS]] ([[User talk:CarlosS|talk]]) 10:48, 11 September 2016 (EDT)
+:From a moral perspective, I wish to re-examine Conservative's reporting on the coronavirus and the Batstew flu. He took the handoff from English language reporting from the ''WaPo'' and CNN based upon verbatim reports from the genocidal Chinese Communist Party, and ran for a first down.  He never once considered the sources here, and opened himself up to charges of racism and xenophobia. [https://conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_the_Wuhan_coronavirus_epidemic#Origin_of_the_Wuhan_coronavirus_epidemic]  Conservative, you got played like a cheap fiddle by the CCP, ''WaPo'', and CNN. You need to fix these errors, cause they cast doubt now on much of your other work. And this UFO b.s. makes it look like you're moving in the wrong direction. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:39, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
+::My article  [[Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic]]  indicates: "One theory that has been postulated is that COVID-19 was developed in a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan, China.[17]".
-== Hillary Clinton ==
+::In addition, unlike some people, I don't cower in a corner and wring my hands every time some tiresome liberal/leftist lodges some bogus claim of me being a racist. [[User: Conservative]] fears God and no other! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:52, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
-[https://politicalwire.com/2016/09/11/clinton-abruptly-leaves-911-ceremony/ Hillary Cinton has another medical episode at 9/11 ceremony]. [https://twitter.com/pzf/status/775002372875644928?s=09 Video].  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 12:40, 11 September 2016 (EDT)
-*[http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/12/hillary-clintons-campaign-needs-hire-better-liars/ Here's a tick tock of the lies the Clinton camp has been telling us]. They will give the stupidest lie a shot in the hope of coming up with something that can protect the precious. Oh, and can Dr. Drew have his show back now? "[http://pagesix.com/2016/09/04/dr-drew-loses-show-after-discussing-hillarys-health/ Dr. Drew loses show after discussing Hillary's health]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:05, 12 September 2016 (EDT)
-::I still feel like this could go sideways.  Rather than potentially seeing her as "unfit," ignorant voters might give her sympathy votes, due to her alleged illness. After all, she's just a suffering, persecuted woman, worn ragged by the patriarchal system.  Boo-hoo!  The least we can do is give the poor dear our votes... --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 22:50, 12 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::Nearly every election has a point in time in the days and weeks leading up to it where, retrospectively, people say that was the moment the election was decided. We may have just seen it, although there still is so much time left. It is up to Trump now to build trust with the American people. Hillary's supporters, who never were that enthusiastic and supported her grudgingly, have no trust or confidence in her anymore. A week ago, the election was Hillary's to loose; as of now it is Trump's to loose. She cannot afford another episode in her deteriorating condition, which seem to be coming in greater frequency.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 23:40, 12 September 2016 (EDT)
-::::Perhaps so--I hope that's true.  I do find in encouraging that a few of my liberal (Sanders supporting) friends and disgusted with Hillary, and are thinking of just refusing to vote at all. We'll see in November, I guess. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 23:49, 12 September 2016 (EDT)
+:::First of all, Conservative, it's not even a theory at this point. Fauci himself flat out admitted in emails dating back to February 2020 that this was EXACTLY what had happened. And I for one also suspected it was from a lab, not a bat market (never trust communists). It was NEVER about being overweight or anything like that, and I even pointed out the death toll in America was overblown (and if anything, us Americans were TOO paranoid based on personal experience). Not to mention that even recently, Singapore, one of those Asian countries you love to praise over America over its handling of COVID, has just locked down yet again due to COVID, implying it WASN'T successful at all. Second of all, RobS, your undoing edits and claiming DHS demands we not do those edits doesn't make you much better than Conservative. {{unsigned|Pokeria1}}
+::Before we get too far off course, let's return to OP of this thread. Now, it has been recently revealed how the 1619 Project was designed in the editorial boardrooms of the ''New York Times'' as a pivot away from the failed Russia hoax. Understanding how the news media and publishing business works should be paramount to us. The ''NYT'' editors do not sit around waiting for the next random news story to come in and report on. They begin with a theme or agenda, all daily stories are shaped to fit that theme. The 1619 project was to pivot to all race issues, be it BLM, Defund the Police, or Critical Race Theory. Now, this latest round of UFO fiction, as Peter rightly pointed out in the opening paragraph of this thread, states it is a hoax perpetrated by the Dems and foisted on us by lamestream media. How does Conservative react? He takes the bait and runs with it. In June of 2021, after a bio attack and possible another with Bird Flu, we certainly have more important things to discuss and talk about, like inflation, the budget, Dems efforts to Sovietize America, rather than waste another year and half of our lives misleading our readings with CCP & Democrat bullcrap.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:56, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Agreed on that front, not to mention another far more important bit we need to cover is how Fauci was publicly exposed via emails to have known COVID-19 was a Chinese bioweapon that leaked outside the lab during February, even knew that masking DOESN'T work at all, yet repeatedly and deliberately lied up until the present day, flip flopped, and put us all under a completely pointless lockdown. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 15:30, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Oh there's a way out of this. They're going to blame Trump. You think Biden will ask for Fauci's resignation? The public ''and'' media have lost confidence in him.  But the junta doesn't care what people think. That's their job, to change how and what people think. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:41, June 5, 2021 (EDT)
+The first two paragraphs of this article from ''Consortium News'' are directly relevent:
+{{quotebox|''The New York Times'' has published an article on the contents of the hotly anticipated U.S. government report on UFOs, as per usual based on statements of anonymous officials, and as per usual promoting narratives that are convenient for imperialists and war profiteers.<br>
-:::::This is where s third-party candidacy hurts Hillary snd helps Trump.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 23:53, 12 September 2016 (EDT)
+Together with one voice, the anonymous U.S. officials and the “paper of record” — which is supposed to scrutinize U.S. officials — assure us definitively that the mysterious aerial phenomena that have reportedly been witnessed by military personnel are certainly not any kind of secret U.S. technology, but could totally be aliens and could definitely be a sign that the Russians or Chinese have severely lapped America’s lagging military development. [https://consortiumnews.com/2021/06/04/media-using-ufo-report-to-stir-arms-race/]}}
+It's time to reflect. What mistakes were made in CP's Coronavirus reporting? Are we on the cusp of making the same errors with UFOs?  Simple solution: Look at the sources before paying attention to any of the context.
-:::::What I find interesting, for 30 years now since [[Hillarycare]] Democrats have lectured us on the need for universal healthcare and mandatory coversge because young people in their 20s are so foolish, they think they are invincible and will live forever and don t realize in their senior years they are mere mortals and will need more intensive, costly care. Yet Hillary, who began preaching this 30 years ago, has displayed throughout what is known of her medical history, and we see and hear daily on the campaign trail, is an atttude of a juvenile with emotionally arrested development who wanted to grow up to be the first woman president, and thinks she's invincible at the age of 68 and can't accept the reality of her own mortality.
+A caveat: Sometimes questionable information appears from a dubious source that, ironically, you may wish to be true.  In such cases remember, it is ultimately your own reputation you are staking in it by repeating the story. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 06:23, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
+:Note: "hotly anticipated". This is a preview of coming attractions of the tripe and drivel MSM will trot out in coming weeks and months. Don't take the bait by giving it legitimacy by talking about it. Shape the discussion and debate. Don't respond to nonsense with nonsense. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:01, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
-:::::I have nothing but compassion for her at this point. Don't lock her up, get her the intensive care she needs.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 00:10, 13 September 2016 (EDT)
+== Is Biden the new Jimmy Carter? ==
-== Question ==
+Inflation, unemployment, and rising crime creates an opportunity for law-and-order Republicans the same way Carter's presidency did. Joe Biden didn't write the ransomware that closed Colonial Pipeline, but his cancelation of the Keystone Pipeline gives Republicans an opening to blame him for whatever gas shortages might occur. He also appointed idiot child AOC as his point woman on this issue. Was Greta Thunberg not available? The party of FDR wanted to put the country back to work. The party of Biden wants everyone unemployed and living off a stimulus check. I don't get the sense that a group of actual adults has thought this policy through.
-Just so I know for sure, my account request for [[CreationWiki]] was just accepted, so am I allowed to copy material that I wrote here to that site? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 18:04, 11 September 2016 (EDT)
+Biden is ready to go to war with the American people: "[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/01/joe-biden-terrorism-from-white-supremacy-the-most-lethal-threat-to-the-homeland/ Joe Biden: ‘Terrorism from White Supremacy’ the ‘Most Lethal Threat to the Homeland’]" No one calls themselves a white supremacist. I take that this phrase is the equivalent being called "counterrevolutionary" by a Marxist. See "[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/may/13/joe-biden-is-jimmy-carter-minus-the-cheese/ Joe Biden is Jimmy Carter, minus the cheese]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:55, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
-:If you wrote it, it should be fine to copy it.  Also, CP's content licensing is much more generous than WP's in that, if I understand correctly, it is permitted for users to copy text ''not'' authored by them for use elsewhere as well. [[Conservapedia:Copyright|Here are the official rules]]..--[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 23:21, 11 September 2016 (EDT)
+:Biden's not the decision-maker. [[Susan Rice]] is at the helm. The question now is if [[Anita Dunn]] will remain in the [[politburo]] or depart (disclosure rules mandate that she give up the names of her lobbying clients if she loses her temporary status).
-== Is it time to put together a Trump Transition Team? ==
+:This is Obama's third term. The same people who brought you the [[IRS scandal]], [[Trump-Russia]], the [[Libyan war]], the [[European Migrant Crisis]], [[ISIS]], the [[Arab Spring]], [[Benghazi massacre]], and [[FISA abuse]] (not to mention the [[Clinton email scandal]] and [[Uranium One scandal]]) are all back in charge. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:39, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
-You know Team Clinton is in deep trouble when you see headlines like this one: "[http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/12/clinton-raising-money-on-media-bias-new-rallying-cry-on-left.html Clinton raising money on media 'bias,' a new rallying cry on the left]." Didn't we all just see how the media covered up her health problems?<br/> So what do the polls say? The king of the national polls is the Google Consumer Surveys with nearly 23,000 respondents. It gives Clinton a one point lead.[http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/national-polls/] Fivethirtyeight puts Clinton 1.6 points ahead in the "tipping point" state of Florida.[http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/] Trump's Florida rallies blow Hillary's away with ten times the attendance.[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/06/polls-todays-hillary-clinton-tampa-rally-vs-donald-trump-tampa-rally/] Most polls model turnout based on the 2008 and 2012 exit polls, when Black voters got excited about Obama. One of the few polls with a more realistic turnout model is CNN/ORC, which shows Trump two points ahead.[http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439868/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-tighter-race] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 08:33, 12 September 2016 (EDT)
+I don't think President Biden could swing a hammer.  Former President Carter reinvented himself by working for Habitat for Humanity, and not just as a spokesperson but actually building houses as well.  (That may be why he's managed to survive many of the health scares he has; the outdoor exercise helps him.)  [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 11:02, June 15, 2021 (EDT)
-:Here's what we got so far:
-::*Chief of Staff - Chris Christie
-::*Secretary of State - Newt Gingrich
-::*National Security Adviser - Mike Flynn
-::*Rudy Guiliani - Homeland Security
-::*Ted Cruz - Attorney General
-[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 11:18, 12 September 2016 (EDT)
-*I doubt that Gingrich would work out as a secretary of state. My choice for the job is John Bolton. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:07, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
-::Gingrich wants the job. There's the Director of National Intelligence, the next most important national security post. DNI requires a guy with extensive Executive branch experience which Bolton has. Gingrich has none.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 21:56, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::Gingrich's big accomplishment was balancing the federal budget. That would suggest he might make a good director for the Office of Management and Budget. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:30, 17 September 2016 (EDT)
-== "Frequently" ==
+== Blockbuster expose of Fauci ==
-The latest Hillary health revelation is that she faints "frequently," according to Bill.[http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/09/13/clinton_steps_in_it_cbs_cleans_him_up] This is in addition to the pneumonia issue. It's obviously true, even though Bill immediately walked it back. She has been mysteriously out of public view for months -- and suddenly it's clear why. A Clinton telling the truth was such a shock that CBS deleted this section from the televised version of the interview. A candidate's health has always been a huge factor in a presidential election. The fact that Kennedy looked healthier than Nixon in their televised debate loomed large in the 1960 election. Dole never overcame the torrent of late night jokes about how old he was. Now the media tells us that we must elected this "head on a stick" or we're a bunch of sexists. This headline may look like a joke, but it represents Eleanor Clift's for-real opinion: "[http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/12/ageism-and-sexism-yes-but-a-lack-of-transparency-too.html Hillary Clinton Isn’t Sick. You Are.]." Once liberals make it through this type of denial, the Democratic National Committee will have to pick a replacement. I assume Obama will tell them what to do. We could be back to Biden vs Warren. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 11:45, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
+[https://youtu.be/yp6btJhS66c This Tucker Carlson expose] belongs on MPR. Thousands of Fauci's emails have recently been declassified. It turns out that the person Fauci emails the most is Bill Gates. If you remember, it was Gates who funded Neil Ferguson's covid projections, which panicked the world into lockdown.[https://coronanews123.wordpress.com/2020/12/20/gates-funded-architect-of-covid-lockdowns-was-behind-horrific-questionable-slaughter-of-millions-of-sheep/]
-:There is no pneumonia. And in the remote chance there is, all it will do is weaken and complicate her ability to cope with the underlying nuerological condition (most likely Stage 3 Parkinson's).
-:This has already forced Hillary into making her closing arguments 8 weeks in advance with the added excuse she may not return to the campaign trail til late October. IOW, they want to keep her cloistered, ''ala'' [http://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/13/world/4-serious-ailments-plagued-brezhnev.html Brezhnev] and [http://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/08/world/andropov-illness-is-believed-grave.html Andropov].[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 11:39, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
+When testifying to Congress, Fauci dismissed the lab leak theory and denied funding gain-of-function research. But the emails show that he knew a lot more about the research in Wuhan than he was letting on. On January 31, Fauci received an email from researcher Kristian Anderson, which said that the virus had “unusual features” that “potentially look engineered”. Fauci responded by forwarding the email to his deputy together with a PDF of Ralph Baric's research with the file name "Baric, Shi et. al. Nature Medicine - SARS gain of function research." So Fauci clearly lied to Congress. This file name leaves him without any wiggle room.
-::None of headlines on CNN today relate to Hillary's health. Today's top story: Obama may have been born in America.[http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther-united-states/index.html] How long can they avoid dealing with the obvious? Well, they didn't report Hillary's 1998 "life-threatening" blood clot until 2012. At that rate, it could take until 2030 before we get some straight talk. Obama presumably knows that her collapse is due to advanced Parkinson's rather than pneumonia. Yet he's on the campaign trail telling us that she, "Has more qualifications than any candidate in history." (See "[http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/obama-campaign-trail-2016-election/index.html Obama: 'I really, really, really want to elect Hillary Clinton'])  She told the FBI that she can hardly remember anything due the concussion and blood clots. If it's not true, she's a criminal. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:45, 16 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::Perhaps I misspoke. If it is pnuemonia, it is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspiration_pneumonia Aspiratiion pnuemonia], a complication of Stage 3 Parkinson's and the [https://www.michaeljfox.org/foundation/news-detail.php?swallowing-and-parkinson-disease leading cause if death in Parkinson's suffererrs.] The nuerologicsl disorder causes difficulty in swallowing, food and liquids get caught in the windpipe, and eventually the lung. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 12:30, 16 September 2016 (EDT)
-::::''The Atlantic'' has a full-length article on all the "wild speculation" concerning Hillary's health.[http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/clinton-health-conspiracy-pneumonia/500078/] The amazing part is that they don't even mention Parkinson's! Hillary lies, changes her story, and then lies some more. You don't buy today's official line? What are you, some kind of conspiracy theorist? When they can no longer hide it, we'll start hearing about how Hillary "powered through" Parkinson's because "that's what women do." I tell you, the MSM has become a bad joke. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 11:56, 17 September 2016 (EDT)
-==Steph Curry==
+Anderson's paper, published in ''Nature'' on March 17, is [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9 here]. “By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes,” he writes. Say what? Sometime after the email to Fauci and before the publishing deadline for ''Nature,'' Anderson was somehow convinced to participate in the coverup.
-It seems he can reconcile his Christian faith and support Hillary Clinton for president. [http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/09/stephen-curry-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-colin-kaepernick-protest-anthem] In addition, he says he will 'most likely' stand for the National Anthem. Huge disappointment and I expected much better. --Jpatt 07:12, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
+Baric's research is about genetically engineering a coronavirus and then covering up the evidence of genetic engineering. What civilian application does this skill have? Just the fact that Baric worked with Wuhan's Shi Zhengli should raise eyebrows. In short, not only did Fauci know about the gain-of-function research in Wuhan, his mind immediately made a connection to the covid outbreak.
-:Curry's generally been non-political, but Hillary is leading among African-Americans regardless of how religious they are, so I don't know that it's particularly surprising he'd support her over Trump.  Why are you disappointed he'll likely stand for the National Anthem, though?--[[User:Whizkid|Whizkid]] ([[User talk:Whizkid|talk]]) 00:07, 16 September 2016 (EDT)
-::Democrats have traditional led with black Americans. That wasn't the point. Somebody who is considered a strong Christ follower doesn't endorse, certainly not publicly, a corrupt lying abortion loving sinner. Likely is not a full-throated endorsement of American patriotism. Would you like to hear that our military will defend our nation if attacked or would you be ok if they said they'll likely defend us? It's almost a maybe and it doesn't sit well. --Jpatt 21:47, 16 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::Except it's not like Trump is any different.  Trump was pro-choice, even saying he wouldn't ban partial birth abortion, until he decided he was going to run for president as a Republican, he's publicly boasted about buying politicians, and he lies all the time.  If Christians can manage to endorse Trump, in spite of his record and in spite of a lot of the frankly un-Christian things he's said and believed in, they can endorse Hillary too.  --[[User:Whizkid|Whizkid]] ([[User talk:Whizkid|talk]]) 12:38, 17 September 2016 (EDT)
-::::When Trump brought up the birth certificate issue in 2011, he was being a good Hillary supporter and paving the way for a 2012 Hillary/Obama rematch that never happened. The Dems went berserk over this issue; It forced him to become a Republican. We need to see Trump's tax returns, but not Obama's birth certificate? Somehow that position makes sense in MSM-land. Since Trump hired Roger Ailes a few weeks ago, he has been running as a conventional Republican. The new strategy has sent his poll numbers soaring, so perhaps he has found his groove. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 19:52, 17 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::::It's an apples and oranges argument Whiz. What Trump said in the past and what he says today. He lies all the time?? No person is a perfect angel. Lies all the time is just slinging it out there whereas Hillary has a extensive résumé of lies. The vast majority of Christians reject Hillary for reasons I have mentioned. Hillary is beyond un-Christian. You can be wrong once and a while, it's not so bad.--Jpatt 21:04, 17 September 2016 (EDT)
-== What percentage of Muslims are deplorable? ==
+In Operation Fast and Furious the Obama administration sold guns to Mexican criminals and to create a justification for enacting gun control in the U.S. I think we should call it the Gates-Fauci-Xi-Shi virus. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:30, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
-Ann Coulter has the perfect response to Hillary's "deplorable" comment.[http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2016-09-14.html] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:15, 15 September 2016 (EDT)
+:Ultimately, this isn't going to end well for all those involved (this includes Fauci, Gates, various liberal politicians [including Democrat, [[Liberal Party of Canada|Liberal]], [[New Democratic Party|NDP]], [[Bloc Quebecois]]/Parti Quebecois, Greens, [[Labour Party]], [[SNP]], etc.] and their willing collaborators in the liberal media and Big Tech, and corrupt unelected public health officials) in pushing what amounts to a scamdemic, as well as pushing the experimental mRNA gene therapy witches' brews they audaciously call "vaccines" but which, as documented in the [[CCP global pandemic]], [[CCP virus in the United States]], [[CCP virus in Canada]], [[COVID vaccine]] and related articles, are actually causing more damage than they were purported to help.  If anything, what we've heard about so far in relation to deaths and injuries from the "vaccines" is most likely just the tip of the iceberg because even if most of those who got the shots aren't feeling negative effects from them now, that doesn't mean it'll stay that way for them because of the ingredients used in those concoctions.  Those who got the shots really need to be concerned about potential long-term side effects from them.  [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 03:33, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
+::Anderson also wrote that after discussions with colleagues, they "all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory." So the view that it was genetic engineering was a consensus of a group involved in studying of the problem. A couple of weeks later, the situation had turned around. Did they uncovered new evidence? Or did they realize that China + Fauci + Bill Gates beats evolutionary theory? I think we deserve some answers. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa:]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 04:21, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
+:Prediction: Fauci is headed for the same fate Peter Strzok, James Comey, Andy McCabe, ''et al'' endured.  After destroying 46 million American jobs, indelibly impacting the lives of a generation of American school children, and running up the national debt another 6 trillion dollars, he'll ultimately land a job as CNN's Senior Health advisor at a higher rate of pay then he ever earned in government, should he in fact ever be driven out of govt.
-== Gen. Colin Powell on Hillary Clinton ==
+:I think it's time for a class-action lawsuit against Fauci and his empire. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 07:11, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
-From Colin Powell's hacked emails:
+The Northam Formula is progressing. Fauci is so toxic that book publishers have abruptly decided not to go to print. Afterwards Jill Biden is scheduled for a TV appearance with Fauci. Joe has publicly thanked Fauci. During the breaking news of last week, YouTube put a link to flattering videos of Fauci on their home page.
-*"You know, I'd rather not have to vote for her, although she is a friend I respect.  She's a 70-year-old person, long track record. She's hampered by being greedy, not transformational, with a husband still dicking bimbos at home." (This is a reference to Clinton mistress Julie McMahon, aka "The Energizer")
+My Northam Formula goes like this.... Any low-life Democrat in scandal will get verbally assaulted by all sides and demands from all corners that this Democrat needs to be fired or step down immediately. Then we wait and wait and wait. Blackface Northam stays. Compromised by a Chinese spy Swalwell stays. Sexual assault allegations Cuomo stays. Crimes against humanity Fauci stays. --Jpatt 13:39, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
-*"Clinton is always trying to use you."
+:When's Biden gonna ask for his resignation? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:48, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
-*"They are going to [screw] up the legitimate and necessary use of emails with friggin record rules. I saw email more like a telephone than a cable machine. As long as the stuff is unclassified. I had a secure State.gov machine. Everything HRC touches she kind of screws up with hubris."
+==Here's the battleground==
+Scientifical polling has unearthed the [https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/terrorism/voters_don_t_agree_with_biden_and_media_on_riots parameters of the current situation in U.S politics and public opinion]. "44% of Likely U.S. Voters agree with Biden that the January 6 Capitol riot was 'the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.' Forty-one percent (41%) disagree and 14% say they’re not sure."  So, to counter leftist opposition and propaganda, conservatives need better than a 10% break of the 14% undecided/ill-informed/ill-educated/don't care margin. That is 5 out of 7 members of this group. Strategy: don't offend anyone in the neutral group with idiot postings. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:26, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
+:By the midterm elections, crime and economy will far outweigh the Capital riot. The public often has a short memory. Voters have their personal radio antennas to the station WIIFM (What's in it for me?).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:10, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
+::Worse than 9/11? Bin Laden's plan was to hit both the White House and the Capitol. Wasn't [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/secret-service-took-trump-to-underground-bunker-amid-george-floyd-protests BLM's attack on the White House] at least as serious as a bunch of goofballs wandering around the Capitol? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:41, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
+:::There have been riots and looting in cities across the nation for months. And now crime/murder is way up in many cities. But the Capital Riot is supposed to be the definitive issue when it comes to public disorder because it affected Washington's politicians briefly? I don't think so! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:49, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Pelosi told the Capitol Police to stand down and refused National Guard offered by Trump. She wanted a riot. Then Antifa/BLM provacatuers were sent in. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:46, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
-*"I told you about the [speaking] gig I lost at a University because she so overcharged them they came under heat and couldn't [pay] any fees for awhile."[http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/09/15/words_of_wisdom_from_general_powell] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:54, 16 September 2016 (EDT)
+The first thing I mention to anybody that talks about the "worst attack in America" on Jan 6th was the number of weapons confiscated. For the first time in world history, an insurrection without weapons. Then I point out the videos of police escorting people inside the Capitol, videos of people urging police to stop vandalism and them not reacting. I mention Trump's speech and ask which words he uttered caused the attack? There wasn't any or the media would be repeating them every single day for six months straight. Then I go into the timeline of Trump's speech. He was still talking when the Capitol was "stormed". Pelosi and company had a scheme to turn a political rally into an insurrection. The trap was set. Where is Nancy's laptop? And FREE JAKE LANG political prisoner. --Jpatt 10:34, June 9, 2021 (EDT)
-== Hillary needs a bigger basket ==
+== Can this be added?  ==
-Reality is just beginning to intruded into mainstream medialand. Here is Nate Silver: "[http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-democrats-should-panic-if-the-polls-still-look-like-this-in-a-week/ Election Update: Democrats Should Panic … If The Polls Still Look Like This In A Week]." Ha! Ha! and more Ha! The USC/LAT poll showed Trump and Hillary tied as recently as September 12. Now Trump is 6.4 points ahead nationally.[http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/] The USC/LAT poll asks respondents various questions to gauge turnout. The other major pollsters build turnout models based on exit polls conducted in past elections, so they miss the uniqueness of this cycle. No longer swing states, Florida and Ohio are firmly in the Trump column. That means the battleground has shifted to Pennsylvannia. Hillary is so far behind among independents that we get headlines like this: "[http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/independent-voters-are-overrated/?ex_cid=2016-forecast Independent Voters Are Overrated]." If Democrats think the future is theirs, note that Hillary is only <s>2.1</s> points ahead in the 18-34 age group, according to USC/LAT. That makes the Millenials the most conservative generation in a very long time. This election is going to be a tsunami. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:16, 17 September 2016 (EDT)
+Can this be added:
-:I misread the ''LA Times'' poll. Trump is actually 8.4 points ahead among 18-34 year olds. That's even bigger than his lead among oldsters. Fancy that: The young prefer to be American rather than Muslim. Trump's overall national lead has increased to 6.7 points. This can no longer be dismissed as a short-term response to Hillary's "bad weekend." It's a game changer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:15, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
-::I read that maybe 3% of the population won't publicly say they'll for vote Trump but are going to. More than enough to cause a landslide. --Jpatt 10:44, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::There is ''way'' more than 3% who for the better part of a decade now, if they dared exercise their First Amendment right to criticize either Barack Obama's policies, or Hillary Clinton's policy positions, have been called bigots. So of course they'll keep their mouths shut til the election booth.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 11:20, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
+'''Setback for Leftists''': Pro-Trump American First  Javier Villalobos elected Mayor of McAllen, Texas, a border town that is 85% Hispanic and located in county that Joe Biden won by 17%.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-mcallen-mayor-javier-villalobos-texas --[[User:TheNewRight|TheNewRight]] ([[User talk:TheNewRight|talk]]) 14:30, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
-::::The LAT survey tries to avoid that problem by using scales rather than asking respondents to give binary yes/no answers. The "shy Trump voter" issue could explain why Trump does better in the LAT survey than in other surveys. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 11:39, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::::There is almost always a 4-5 pt. hidden conservative vote in sny election -- a group smong Trump's weakest supporters. That group could be as high ad 8% right now. The 'shy Trump voters' are probably very strong among moderates and undecideds.
-:::::The questions also is crossover and turnout. While several high profile conservatives express their intention to crossover, we don't see it at the grassroots. A few may be likely to stay home than crossover. Hillary has the same problem; in talking to people, I am amazed at the demographic profile of traditional Democrats I meet here in New Mexico who very quietly say they intend to vote for Trump - blacks and Native Americans included. Turnout is the key. Hillary does not have 90% of the African American vote - this is why she's hammering birtherism so hard at the moment - still trying to claim that the voter's concern about fraud & constitutionality is racist. Go ahead, I say, hang yourself, bitch. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 13:10, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
-== Life under feminist-Muslim rule ==
+== Manchin says "no" to fraud-friendly voter law ==
-The Germans were kind enough to provide a preview of life under a Hillary/Huma dictatorship: "[https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/09/german-tv-ad-cosponsored-by-unesco-exhorts-german-women-to-wear-the-hijab German TV ad cosponsored by UNESCO exhorts German women to wear the hijab]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:17, 17 September 2016 (EDT)
+Also,
-==Page needs archiving==
+'''Massive setback for pro-voting fraud Democrats''': Senator Joe Manchin to oppose the For The People Act, which would nationalize elections and essentially legalize voting fraud, likely killing the bill.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-manchin-to-oppose-for-the-people-act-says-partisan-voting-legislation-will-further-destroy-democracy/ar-AAKLbMf?ocid=uxbndlbing --[[User:TheNewRight|TheNewRight]] ([[User talk:TheNewRight|talk]]) 14:32, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
-but I can't access the Archive index.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 14:00, 17 September 2016 (EDT)
+:I just covered both issues on main page right. Thanks.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:25, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
-== Several templates need to be updated ==
+West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin has come out against the "For the People" bill, killing its chances. ''WaPo'' and the rest of the left-wing media are in mourning. The bill would have put the Feds in charge of every election nationwide, ending state and local control. The Dems saw it as a way to end "voter suppression." As near as I can tell, this phrase means only that the Dems lost an election that they thought they should have won. The hysterical reaction to the bill's defeat makes sense only if the Dems expected the Biden DOJ to rig elections in their favor. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 08:39, June 8, 2021 (EDT)
+:He's gonna need some good lawyers. They'll probably try to do a Roger Stone/Paul Manafort on him next. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:56, June 8, 2021 (EDT)
+::Extremely grateful that Joe Manchin is against this. I added on his article a while ago that he is one of two Dem senators opposed to ending filibuster. More Democrats need to be against it as well because if they're not radical enough, it will affect them as well. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 14:46, June 8, 2021 (EDT)
+:::They're already playing the [[race card]]. [https://freebeacon.com/politics/meena-harris-joe-manchin/]  Now you know why [[Meena Harris]] is followed by [[Ron Klain]] on Twitter. She's a policy spokesman/person/thing.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:58, June 8, 2021 (EDT)
-Would someone take a look at [[Template:Rome]], [[Template:Australian Prime Ministers]], and their respective talk pages? Both templates need to be fixed or updated, but as they are protected, only admins can edit them. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 14:09, 17 September 2016 (EDT)
+== China versus Greta Thunberg ==
-==In overnite news...==
+China is responsible for 27 percent of greenhouse gas emissions compared to 11 percent for the U.S. After fulminating against Europe and the U.S. for years, Greta Thunberg has finally posted a mild tweet about China. Chinese state media promptly turned on the "Swedish environmentalist princess who should reduce her own carbon emissions." Another article says that she might have a better understanding of world affairs if she didn't skip school on Fridays. "Although she claims to be vegan, judging from how she looks, her carbon emissions are not so low herself." See "[https://youtu.be/UIX7QKnGikU Chinese Media Fat-Shames Greta Thunberg!].
-Since they are reportedly 3 'unrelated' incidents as of now, let's report them as such.
-===New York bombing with 'international' connections injures 29===
-[http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/18/explosion-in-new-york-city-believed-to-be-intentional-mayor-says-29-injured.html]
-===New Jersey bombing disrupts Marine Corp charity event===
+Greta also tweeted [https://climate.copernicus.eu/surface-air-temperature-may-2021 this satellite temperature data]. If hadn't skipped school on Fridays, she would have noticed that it shows that global temperatures have been in decline since 2016. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:30, June 8, 2021 (EDT)
-[http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/17/us/nj-explosive-trash-can/index.html]
+:There is an earthquake happening under our feet in just the past few days, the biggest shift in global public opinion since Nixon visited China in 1972.  It's bound to have economic consequences lasting well into this century.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:48, June 8, 2021 (EDT)
+::China is being a good boy lately, perhaps to avoid an Olympics boycott. See "[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-07/china-faces-nationalist-anger-over-u-s-military-plane-in-taiwan China Faces Nationalist Anger Over U.S. Plane in Taiwan]." According to the article, "The most-liked comment on a post of C-17 photos said: 'Our red line is no red line. If this is the case, how can foreigners treat Taiwan as part of China?'" [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:44, June 12, 2021 (EDT)
-===Security guard referencing Allah stabs 8 at Minnesota mall===
+==Kamala's 'root causes'==
-[http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/18/attacker-reported-dead-after-stabbing-spree-at-minnesota-mall.html]
+Time to call Kamala out. Kamala's 'root causes' of illegal immigration was the same argument used to sell [[NAFTA]] in the 1980s and 90s.  Supposedly by opening free trade, it would keep people in their home countries and they wouldn't try to cross the border illegally. That, as well as Kamala's solicitation of greedy Wall Street capitalists to exploit cheap labor south of the border.  The more things change, the more they remain the same. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 09:56, June 11, 2021 (EDT)
+:The main source of illegal immigrants shifted from Mexico to Central America. So in a way, the NAFTA idea worked. But as the number of Mexican migrants dropped, Obama and Biden compensated by encouraging migrants from further away. The real "root cause" is the Dems' desire for undocumented voters. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 11:33, June 11, 2021 (EDT)
+::The Maquiladora boom was short lived, as eventually many of those jobs went to China. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:38, June 11, 2021 (EDT)
-[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 10:58, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
+== Why did Rosenstein spy on McGahn? ==
-:I take it Allah isn't too pleased with either Hillary or Obama. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 12:11, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
+The headlines today are all about the "Trump DOJ" spying on White House counsel Dan McGahn. See "[https://apnews.com/article/don-mcgahn-subpoena-trump-apple-russia-probe-leaks-justice-1252749aa9ad526cc01d633949bd9b5a AP source: Justice Dept secretly subpoenaed McGahn’s records]." This happened in 2018, when the DOJ was run by Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein. I still haven't figured out what his game was. But he hired Robert Muller and his wife was a Hillary Clinton lawyer, so he can't be considered a Trump loyalist. I would interpreted this episode as Rosenstein violating Trump's constitutional right to counsel. Rosenstein also renewed the Carter Page warrant, which allowed the DOJ to spy on the Trump campaign, presumably including Trump himself.
-::Thank <s>God </s> Allah a security guard was present...''wait a minute...'' oh, gotta love how he was referecing Allah in a loud voice, not screaming. Think Google will deep-six these videos the way they did ''Innocence of the Muslims''  60 days prior to  presidential election? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 12:48, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::So we 're not reporting these terrorist attacks as terrorist attacks on election eve? What, do we have [[Susan Rice]] running MPR?[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 18:59, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
-::::Maybe the radical Islamacists are spoiling for a fight with the West and want a anti-Islam hardliner like Trump to be elected rather than Hillary Clinton.
-::::On the other hand, maybe they are feeling the pressure of the West clamping down on them.
+Perhaps the Dems are releasing this information now to divert attention from the revelation that the Park Police decided to clear Lafayette Park hours before Trump decided to visit St. Johns' Church, destroying the "Trump gassed peaceful protesters for a photo op" narrative. When the ''New York Times'' and CNN produce these anonymously sourced narratives, they are so often lies. I have always thought that anonymous sourcing is unethical. See "[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/13/donald-trump-i-was-right-about-covid-hunter-biden-/ ‘I was right’: Donald Trump sounds off]" [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:19, June 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/06/13/new-york-times-reports-andrew-weissmann-and-robert-mueller-sought-then-hid-special-counsel-surveillance-of-trump-white-house-attorney-don-mcghan/ CTH has a good take on it]. Hopefully, it's an attempt by the DOJ to get out ahead of indictments by [[John Durham]], But we've had our hopes dashed a few dozen times already. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:10, June 13, 2021 (EDT)
-::::Alternatively, maybe ISIS is going after the weak targets and with the Obama Administration bringing in a lot of Muslim immigrants into the USA, they could see the USA as a weak target.  It's possible that France is on high alert and they see the USA as being more complacent at this time.
+== Covid shuttered 40 percent of U.S. small businesses ==
-::::It's tough to say.
+The "shelter-in-place" idea may not have slowed covid down, but it sure hit U.S. small business hard: "[https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/06/13/covid-shut-downs-destroyed-nearly-40-of-american-small-business-for-no-damned-good-reason-n1454271 The Number of Small Businesses Destroyed by COVID Lockdowns Will ASTOUND You]." Large retailers were allowed to stay open. A small business is defined as one with fewer than 500 employees. No wonder Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci emailed each other so much. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:15, June 14, 2021 (EDT)
+:Don't forget Bezos. He cashed in bigtime. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:09, June 14, 2021 (EDT)
-::::Why do you think the attacks against America are happening now? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:08, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
+== Why don't we feature articles on Mainpageleft more often? ==
-:::::Why now? De Blasio dismantled the NYPD's anti-terrorism program about a year ago. Comey's FBI has plenty of resources, but is too politically correct to take action against potential jihadis. So they can. That's all the reason they need. This is a long war. It began when Thomas Jefferson hit the Barbary pirates. It ends when the U.S. Marines enter the Grand Mosque in Mecca, roast pork, and pop open some beers. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:21, 18 September 2016 (EDT)
-::::::Ok, ignore the attack. And remember next time you walk into a shopping mall, you're protected. They have security guards there. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 00:17, 19 September 2016 (EDT)
-==Here's a link for MPL==
+Featuring certain excellent articles can help their page view growth. For example, my work on the [[Bourke Hickenlooper]] and [[Leslie Arends]] articles and some of BHathorn's page creations like the ones for [[Milward Simpson]] and [[Jacob Javits]] seem like nice ones to feature. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Tuesday, 01:02, June 15, 2021 (EDT)
-*[[A Millenials Guide to Hillary Clinton]] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 15:20, 19 September 2016 (EDT)
+:Why don't we feature articles on Mainpageleft more often? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw&t=1s Tradition!] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:57, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
-==Blacks for Trump==
+==[[Texit]] primary strategy==
-Can these guys get some [https://youtu.be/NBLQGyYIxwg visibility on the Main page].[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 12:03, 20 September 2016 (EDT)
+Likely won't work and here's why.  The article states that the parties can make a rule stating that you must be a party member to sign the petition.  Texas, however, does not require someone to state party affiliation in order to vote in a primary (unlike neighboring Oklahoma or equally conservative Florida).  So Miller probably won't get enough signatures to do anything.  Can't fault him for trying.  (Oh, and if Abbott loses in the primary, get ready to say "Texas Democrat Governor _____" because neither Huffines nor West can attract mainstream voters; they will likely sit out.)  [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 10:59, June 15, 2021 (EDT)
-== Skittles ==
+== Jon Stewart does a lab leak riff ==
-The Donald Trump Jr./Skittles/Nazi bruhaha is at this hour the Internet's top trending meme, dominating Memeorandum. See "[https://theintercept.com/2016/09/20/nazi-who-originated-donald-trump-jr-s-skittles-metaphor-was-hanged-at-nuremberg/ Nazi Who Originated Donald Trump Jr.’s Skittles Analogy Was Hanged at Nuremberg]", "[http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/trump-jrs-skittles-tweet-is-based-on-two-different-white-supremacist-memes/ Trump Jr’s ‘Skittles’ tweet is based on two different white supremacist memes — and Nazi propaganda]", and literally hundreds of similar stories. Is any further proof required that liberals are idiots? Who hasn't heard, "One bad apple spoils the whole barrel"? It's an analogy used by people of all political stripes. Suppose Chelsea described her mother as "healthy as a horse." Suppose further that it is discovered that a minor Nazi official once used a similar analogy about his mother. What made the Nazis notorious is that they murdered Jews, not that they made bad analogies. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:52, 20 September 2016 (EDT)
+Jon Stewart [https://nypost.com/2021/06/16/jon-stewart-tells-colbert-its-obvious-covid-19-came-from-wuhan-lab/ went on Colbert and made lab leak jokes]. [https://www.foxnews.com/media/wapo-faces-backlash-writer-urges-readers-listen-jon-stewart-rant-lab-leak-theory ''WaPo'' and much of the liberal media denounced Stewart's riff]. What other theory of covid's origin is at all plausible at this point? The ''Vanity Fair'' expose shows that the scientists involved suspected a lab leak from the beginning. They were bullied by Peter Daszak and other China shills.
-::The Democrats are a four trick pony: racism, sexism, homophobia and class warfare. If the economy is considerably down in 2020, I don't think those tricks are going to work. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:41, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::Just when you thought the story couldn't get any sillier: "[http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-20/donald-trump-jr-s-skittles-comparison-used-to-be-a-feminist-meme Donald Trump Jr.’s Skittles Comparison Used to Be a Feminist Meme]." Here is the feminist version: "You say not all men are monsters? Imagine a bowl of M&Ms. 10% of them are poisoned. Go ahead. Eat a handful." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:01, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
-== Egyptian leader prefers Trump ==
+As for the pangolins, they were exonerated long ago. See "[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9668695/No-bats-pangolins-sold-Wuhan-wet-markets-pandemic-started-Oxford-study-says.html No bats or pangolins were sold at Wuhan wet markets immediately before Covid-19 pandemic started, Oxford study says]." We should be moving on to questions like, "Was it genetically engineered?" and "Why was the lab's virus database, which could answer this question, taken down in September 2019, just before the outbreak?" [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:02, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:Yes it was genetically engineered. That too has been known since January 2020 ([https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insertions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon Zerohedge, Feb. 1, 2020]). By mid-March 2020 all these facts were known and in open source. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:24, June 17, 2021 (EDT)  See also [https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1 India research paper, Jan. 30, 2020]).  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:43, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
-The top leader in the Muslim world prefers Trump to Clinton.[http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/09/21/major-foreign-endorsement-donald-trump/] U.S.-Egypt -- the axis that the Middle East will rotate on. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:54, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
+:Suggestion: In intelligence work, 99% of all intelligence material is in open source, and only 1% is [[classified information]]. This means any citizen with access to public information can engage in intelligence analysis and reporting. The difference is learning to follow open-source reporting, and not take the bait of [[MSM]], which usually only serves the purpose to deceive and mislead.
-== U.S. military backs Trump ==
+:Here is another example of following open source rather than MSM, from the Intro of the [[Biden junta]]:
+{{quotebox|"The junta's first actions were borrowed right out of the Nazi playbook;[9] like the Reichstag fire, a false flag attack on the U.S. Capitol building was staged[10] as a pretext to curb human rights and free speech.[11]}}
+:In both these instances, nearly one year apart (Jan. 2020 and Jan. 2021), Conservapedia and myself scooped Tucker Carlson by 6 mos. and 18 mos. Lesson learned: Don't follow the rabbit hole of MSM. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:56, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:The beauty of following open source information rather than MSM is, when the truth finally becomes widespread and known, you don't have to waste time arguing against bogus information that you knew was bogus from the start. You simply continue and expand upon the facts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:04, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:So, the question is, ''How do you qualify open source information?'' Here's an example: *23 July 2020 - [[KT McFarland]]: Chinese unleashed a [[bioweapon]] on the world.<ref>https://youtu.be/D45JhsOSOuk</ref>
+[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:13, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:Of course, Youtube has removed the video, but a transcript is available at [[Media Matters]] (which only corroborates its veracity):
+{{quotebox|"K.T. MCFARLAND: 49 years ago this month, Richard Nixon, President Nixon, directed his national security adviser to go to China and to open up relations with China, to bring China into the world. I was a young staff aide to Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger at the time. I remember it as if it was yesterday, and that set American foreign policy with China in a certain direction for 50 years, and President Nixon was right, he said "we induce them to change." <br>
-A ''Military Times'' poll shows that 37.6 percent of U.S. troops back Trump, compared to 36.5 percent for Johnson, and 16.3 percent for Clinton.[http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/this-poll-of-the-us-military-has-gary-johnson-tied-with-donald-trump-in-the-race-for-president] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:40, 22 September 2016 (EDT)
+Our thoughts, Republican and Democrat alike was that as China modernizes, as China comes into the world, as they develop a middle class, they will have a -- be an open society, an open economy, an open society, but that's not how it turned out. The Chinese, in fact, have exploited that and that's why Pompeo was at the Nixon Library today because he's indicating we now have a reverse, we are now -- we are now acknowledging the fact that the Chinese have stolen intellectual property rights, have militarized the South China Sea, have '''unleashed a bioweapon onto the world''', have practiced wolf diplomacy, and so we, the Trump administration, we the United States, we're going to have a very different approach to China going forward, and that's exactly what he was telling you. [https://www.mediamatters.org/martha-maccallum/fox-kt-mcfarland-says-china-unleashed-bioweapon-world]}}
+[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:21, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:Continuing with qualifying open source reporting: So, KT McFarland is an eyewitness to 49 years of events at the highest levels. Contrast that with Stephen Colbert:
+{{quotebox|"Colbert said: "It could be possible that they have the lab in Wuhan to study the novel coronavirus diseases because in Wuhan there are a lot of coronavirus diseases because of the bat population there."}}
+:Colbert evidently has not even read the open source material from ''The Lancet'' (published Feb. 6, 2020):
+{{quotebox|"bats carrying CoV ZC45 were originally found in Yunnan or Zhejiang province, both of which were more than 900 kilometers away from the seafood market. Bats were normally found to live in caves and trees. But the seafood market is in a densely-populated district of Wuhan, a metropolitan of ~15 million people. The probability was very low for the bats to fly to the market. According to municipal reports and the testimonies of 31 residents and 28 visitors, the bat was never a food source in the city, and no bat was traded in the market.”''<ref>http://archive.is/ATNpb</ref>}}
+:Conclusion: 18 months after the fact Colbert is either willfully ignorant of the science and open source reporting, or deliberately deceptive. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:51, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
+::I had assumed that Kristian Andersen's article in ''Nature Medicine'' (March 17, 2020) had debunked the genetic engineering theory. But Fauci's emails give us reason to revisit this issue. It turns out that Anderson suspected that the virus was engineered and consulted Fauci. Fauci is of course not a specialist on genetic engineering, but rather someone Anderson might consult to determine what sort of findings were politically acceptable. Moreover, it seems that Ralph Baric, whose specialty is making genetic engineering difficult to detect (?!?), was working with Shi Zhengli. So the logic for considering this issue to be closed is no longer valid.
-== Millennials switch back to Hillary ==
+::There is also the original reason to suspect that something fishy was going on: Shi Zhengli claimed that RaTG13 was the closest thing she could find to the covid virus in her database of 15,000 bat viruses. The virus is 96 percent identical to the covid virus. This is not close enough for it to be the natural ancestor. But we can think of it as the base virus used for genetic engineering.
-Those volatile Millennials have switched back to Hillary by a margin of 44-39, according to the [http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/?ref=yfp Daybreak poll by the ''LA Times'']. That cuts Trump's overall lead to 2.4 points. Trump's lead among those over 65, who probably have a better understanding of Parkinson's, is actually increasing. No, Millennials, she won't get better. It only gets worse. She bobbed her head over four hundred times when Bernie endorsed her.[http://www.teaparty.org/bizarre-video-hillary-nods-400-times-bernie-endorsement-176112/] In a year or two, she could be a vegetable. Then who runs the country? Bill? Blumenthal? Huma? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:32, 22 September 2016 (EDT)
+::As far as your ZeroHedge link goes, I would be reluctant to go down that road until the theory that coronavirus was spliced with HIV appeared in a source that could be considered more mainstream. Anderson's reasons for suspecting engineering were quite subtle. If the covid virus was massively spliced with HIV, that's certainly not something he noticed. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:16, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
-:If it's of any consolation, this millennial won't be swayed to Hillary Clinton, even without her having Parkinsons (points to self). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 07:37, 22 September 2016 (EDT)
+:Zerohedge had the link to the Indian researchers who found problems with the gnome sequence and evidence of splicing (splicing is basically the same as "gain of function", i.e. that's why they splice, to gain function). Remember, it was a "novel" back in the day, so no research report was conclusive. MSM was regurgitating CCP propaganda on Feb. 1, 2020, and ignoring science. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:41, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
-::Parkinson's disease is hard to diagnose. I think it is premature to say she has Parkinson's disease. Perhaps, she may have post traumatic concussion syndrome, but without detailed medical records indicating how she was examined after her concussion and the medical followup documentation, it is speculation. The problem for Hillary as far as her health is that she a reputation for lacking transparency. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:56, 23 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::She has abnormal eye movements, which is definately not due to pneumonia. Here is the latest: "[http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/297208-clintons-eyes-a-window-into-her-health-issues Clinton's eyes — a window into her health issues]." [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVRfITMjghY Ted Noel's video] convinced me she has Parkinson's -- although [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQVBMO32noU this video] claims he's full of it. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 15:44, 23 September 2016 (EDT)
-== Riots are the new normal in Obama's America ==
+:More evidence of Colbert's ignorance: [https://youtu.be/ovnUyTRMERI This video, posted Dec. 10, 2019], shows researchers from the [[Wuhan Institute of Virology]] traveling to Yunnan to capture bats. It was widely publicized by April 2020. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:11, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
+{{reflist}}
-Seventy percent of the rioters arrested in Charlotte aren't even local residents: "[http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/09/23/judge-jeanine-out-town-anarchists-want-make-trouble-not-protest Judge Jeanine on Charlotte: 'Dems Need This Narrative, It's All About the Election'Judge Jeanine on Charlotte: ']." It's a barbarian invasion as roving bands of BLM supporters go on razzias. Your town could be next. To Obama, burning down a city is just another way of getting out the black vote. The insurance companies should bill the Clinton campaign. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 16:25, 23 September 2016 (EDT)
+===Another illustration===
-:I don't think there's any relationship betwen BLM & the Clinton campaign, and let's not make that mistake. BLM was formed because of the [https://youtu.be/GXoSVo3_Tow New Jim Crow of the Clintons]. Trump is their only hope. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 16:48, 23 September 2016 (EDT)
+Here's another illustration of MSM reporting with no context. On May 24, CNN reported this uncontrolled leak:
-::BLM is a Soros project. The leaders of the group have only the opinions that they are paid to have by a billioniare white dude. I hope the Trump DOJ brings them up on racketeering charges. Glenn Reynolds lost his Twitter account for disrespecting the rioters in Charlotte.[http://www.weeklystandard.com/twitter-tyranny/article/2004503] Notice that it's never the rioters who are deplorable, but only those who object to riots. Or did I miss the pro-Trump riots of 2016? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 08:25, 24 September 2016 (EDT)
+*"''The decision to terminate the inquiry'' [into the lab leak], ''which was run primarily out of the State Department's arms control and verification bureau, was made after Biden officials were briefed on the team's draft findings '''in February and March'''''
-:::Don't take the bait. This is obviously an Obama organized GOTV project for Hillary, but Trump right now stands to win more black votes than any Republican has in a lifetime and break the monolith. If anything, Republicans need to hijack Obama's initiative and be sympathetic, or shut up. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 16:33, 24 September 2016 (EDT)
+So the official MSM version (note, not the administration version cause as we'll see, there was confusion) as of May 24 was the so-called "lab leak theory" was bull and the original CCP bat stew flu cover story was doctrine. Then came the ''Vanity Fair'' article on June 9 and, with a wink and a nod, the Biden admin had flipped and was seriously investigating the "lab-leak theory". So what happened in two weeks?
-::::If you're a community organizer, organizing nationwide riots has got to be the ''ne plus ultra.'' Obama's mother taught him of the glories of 1968 and he wants to be a part of it. When he proclaimed that Trayvon Martin looked like his son back in 2012, he was already blowing the riot dog whistle. If Obamacare was about topping Bill Clinton, the riots are about topping Martin Luther King. The 1968 riots gave us the Nixon presidency, so the Dems may want to think again before following Obama over this cliff. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:22, 24 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::::Riots are one issue. Race relations are another. Which is more important? Which sould Republicans this very instant be more focused on and discussing?[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 01:51, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
-::::::I don't think people who support anti-white riots (or anti-police riots) are a potential Republican constituency. It's not like the black community was a tinder box ready to ignite. Obama, Soros, Holder, and the MSM had to push this issue for four or five years before they got results. In the 1980s and 1990s, the Congressional Black Caucus led the charge for mandatory minimum sentencing. At that time, it was a way to deal with the crack epidemic. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:00, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::::::ok. You answered my question. Don't be surprised or come crying when you are called a racist scum. 03:03, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
-::::::::If Hillary wins, BLM supporters will conclude that riots work. In Alinskyite terms, they aren't a drag like stuffing envelopes or making cold calls. Every white person in America will be called racist scum and worse before its over. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:08, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
-::::::::::You just don't seem to be hearing what I'm saying: '''''[http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/7412/dawsey_black_voters_must_consider_carefully_whether_clintons_deserve_trust#.V-fi7k5MFJ- The rioters can be seen as rioting AGAINST Hillary Clinton].''''' Best to just shut up about this issue until you educate yourself about what is being said on African-American internet forums. You are only doing damage to the Republican party with the track you are pursuing.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 15:00, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
-:::::::::::Trump's lead over Hillary has jumped from 1.4 points to 4.1 points, according to the [http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/ ''LA Times'' tracking poll]. I interpret that as a response to the Charlotte riots. The ''LA Times'' tries to factor in likely turnout. In other words, the shift could represent Trump supporters expressing greater determination to vote rather than anyone's opinion being flipped. So if the riots are a tactic to increase black turnout for Hillary, they aren't working. That probably doesn't matter to Obama -- His policies are always about himself. The various recent terrorist incidents, including the New York/New Jersey bombings, had no noticeable effect on the polls. The riots are clearly Trump's best issue yet. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 19:59, 25 September 2016 (EDT)
-== The great debate ==
+Nothing happened, cause the May and June reporting was all on events from last February. And evidentally whoever leaked the story about the investigation being shut down in February was unaware it had been re-opened elsewhere.  This ties in with news about the high-ranking Chinese defector - from last February - whose information now (or at least enough of it) has been leaked which verifies the lab-leak.
-Trump's lead in the national polls dipped after the debate, but today he's four points ahead of Hillary once again.[http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/] In the debate's most dramatic moment, Hillary ambushed Trump with a sob story about former Miss Universe Alicia Machado. It turns out that Machado once threatened to kill a Venezuelan judge and drove a getaway car for her boyfriend after a murder attempt.[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3810484/Miss-Universe-fat-shamed-Donald-Trump-accused-threatening-kill-judge-accomplice-MURDER-native-Venezuela.html] Ah, those hot-headed Latin gals. Clinton financed an advertising campaign to find Trump victims. David Brock is offering reward money. This is the best they could come up with?<br/>Hillary successfully baited Trump with allegations about old lawsuits and whatnot. He needs to focus on issues that help him: immigration, the BLM riots, and the need to profile potential terrorists. The next time a moderator tries to make it a three way, we need to hear, "Ex-CUSE me, but I believe the audience is tuning in to listen to me and not to you." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 05:06, 28 September 2016 (EDT)
+*"''vice minister of State Security, Dong Jingwei (董经纬) defected in mid-February..."'' [https://archive.is/JsDBE#selection-255.40-255.116]
-:The Daily Mail is a UK tabloid. Is that a reliable source? [[User:BrianKay|BrianKay]] ([[User talk:BrianKay|talk]]) 20:20, 29 September 2016 (EDT)
-::[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/09/28/miss-universe-alicia-machado-accused-threatening-to-kill-judge-in-late-90s.html Here] is the corresponding story on Fox News. The Daily Mail does have a lot of celebrity gossip, but it also has a track record of breaking major news stories. ''The New York Times'' has a similar split personality: outstanding journalism side-by-side with left-wing propaganda. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:04, 30 September 2016 (EDT)
-==Meet Alicia Machado, the Quemoy and Matsu of 2016==
+*'''Conclusion:''' the so-called "news" we are getting is stale, up to 5 months old. During Obamagate or Fisagate (aka "Mueller investigation"), the reporting was consistently 6 months, and at some point near the midterms as much as 18 months, behind the times.  Right now you can conclude that virtually anything the Biden junta '''''allows''''' into the public domain is likely 5 months old, stale, and nobody in the admin gives a crap anymore cause it's old news. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:48, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
-What the Taiwanese islands of Quemoy and Matsu were to the 1960 election, former Miss Universe Alicia Machado is to the 2016 election. Meet the new face of Hillary's campaign, the woman they are featuring in the TV ads: "[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/28/oh-dear-clintons-latest-campaign-surrogate-is-a-murder-accomplice-hard-core-porn-star-and-drug-lord-concubine/ Oh Dear, Clinton’s Latest Campaign Surrogate is a: Murder Accomplice, Hard Core Porn Star and Drug Lord Concubine]."<br/>I thought "fat shaming" involved bashing the appearance of a female doctor, lawyer, accountant, or someone like that. It's a beauty contestant's job to stay thin, isn't it? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:10, 29 September 2016 (EDT)
-== NYT publishes Trump's 1995 tax returns ==
+::So here's some pointers in following MSM:
+::*Realize there are two types of leaks, controlled and uncontrolled. Controlled leaks are intended to shape a narrative. Uncontrolled leaks usually result in scandal.
+::*Washington News reporters and anchors who appear on television always know much more than they are reporting. They are following a script for that day's reporting, i.e. how much the public can handle and are all the explanations and rebuttals in place from various sources.
+::*Likewise elected officials and bureaucrats also always know much more than they are commenting on. Feigned outrage can be their specialty.
+::*You are being fed news and information in doses, premeasured as to how much you can comprehend in a daily news cycle.
+[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:12, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
-This gambit is breaking new ground, as far as I know. If it works, it won't be long before publishing the tax returns of notable Republicans is standard practice: "[http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html Trump Tax Records Obtained by The Times Reveal He Could Have Avoided Paying Taxes for Nearly Two Decades]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:37, 1 October 2016 (EDT)
+::There are a zillion examples in recent memory that can be cited. The [[Awan investigation]], for example. It went public about January 30, 2017. For a year and half we waited with baited breath for every scrap of information they tossed us. Then when Awan pleaded guilty, we figured we'd now find out the results of the investigation. it turns out, there was no investigation for that year and half (at least that's the official story). The investigation was over when he got fired from Congress on January 30, 2017, and the news went public. This is what is known as a "head fake."
+::Another example with bipartisan, [[Uniparty]] and [[Deep State]] implications. When news was released in October 2017 that Senate Intelligence vice-chair [[Mark Warner]] had engaged in witness tampering with [[Christopher Steele]] in Feb. 2017, GOP Sen. Marco Rubio was asked about it. He almost had to jog his memory and responded with, 'oh, that's old news. We investigated it." Conclusion: The GOP Senate Intel Cmte was in on the coup and Mueller's attempt to overthrow Trump. It was doing nothing, other than helping to hide, the origins of the ''[[Steele dossier]]''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:34, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
-:Frankly, I am surprised Obama hasn't leaked all his tax returns yet. Nobody would hold him accountable. The release today is a non-issue because everything he did was perfectly legal. Besides the multi-thousands of people he employed paying taxes, thanks to him, he has paid hundreds of millions of dollars in property taxes, sales and excise taxes, real estate taxes, city taxes, state taxes, employee taxes and federal taxes [http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/02/trump-campaign-new-york-times-illegally-obtained-tax-records/#ixzz4LxkLcRuF] --Jpatt 16:43, 2 October 2016 (EDT)
+== There is no "Biden junta" ==
+[[File:Biden junta January 20, 2021.jpg|right|350px|thumb|As the Biden Junta took power, the American people were excluded from what traditionally has been a public event.]]
+A junta is "A military or political group that rules a country after taking power by force."[https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/junta]
-::The NYT published the first page of Trump's state returns for New Jersey and Connecticut. So far nothing from the feds. Remember Climategate? That was all about hacking and privacy, according to the liberal media. To discuss the information the emails contained would only be compounding the privacy violation. The revelation that the "scientists" behind the global warming scare are just ignorant activists trying to "hid the decline" wasn't considered newsworthy. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 19:40, 2 October 2016 (EDT)
+Did the US military install Joe Biden? Did Joe Biden and/or a paramilitary group go in with their guns blazing and install Joe Biden as president? Of course, the answer to these questions is no. There is no "[[Biden junta]]".
-:::Publishing a federal tax return is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/02/the-new-york-times-risked-legal-trouble-to-publish-donald-trumps-tax-return/] ''The Times'' published only the state returns in the hope of getting around this law. The figures on the state return are copied from the federal return, so I don't think this dodge should make any difference. I guess ''The Times'' is betting the farm on a Clinton victory in November. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:33, 3 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::How did Hillary know during the debate about Trump's taxes before the New York Times did?[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 03:20, 3 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::::''The Times'' said that they received the returns in the mail on Sept. 23. [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/insider/the-time-i-found-donald-trumps-tax-records-in-my-mailbox.html?_r=0 Here] is the tick-tock. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]])
-*Why do presidential candidates "voluntarily" release copies of their returns? Because a former McGovern campaign worker joined the IRS and leaked Nixon's tax return in 1973.[http://sweetness-light.com/archive/flashback-nixons-taxes-were-leaked-by-the-irs] The reporter he leaked the return to won a Pulitzer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:19, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
-== Secular left is collapsing ==
+It is theoretically possible for the presidential election results to be called fraudulent by state governments and for Biden to be removed from and for Donald Trump to be installed as president, but for now Joe Biden is the president of the United States. To deny this is foolish. Biden sits in the Oval Office and he has issued executive orders. Unfortunately, for all intents and purposes, the Biden presidency is a fait accompli.
-I just read that a pro-immigration German official was beaten unconscious which for the authority respecting Germans is unusual and reflects seething anger that could explode in 2017. [http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-01/german-mayor-beaten-unconscious-after-announcing-plan-accept-refugees]
+Wikipedia is foolish for calling evolution a fact. And Conservapedia is foolish for having the term "Biden junta" in its main space areas of its website.
-Second, ObamaCare is in an emergency situation in Minnesota.[http://www.fox9.com/health/208893336-story]
+Denialism gets under my skin whether the political left or right is doing it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:46, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
-Even if Hillary Clinton is elected, it is just a matter of time before secular leftism collapses. The West is in decline. In the short term and midterm, this  could cause global economic decline given China's dependence of exporting.
+:"junta" is the same Latin root we get "joint" from, as in Joint Chiefs of Staff. It simply means "together".  If you ask a girl for a date in Spanish, you ask her to go juntos (together) with you.  The MSM, when speaking of a military junta refers to it as a military junta, when no civilians are involved. Because most modern undemocratically elected juntas consist of civilian socialist elements, junta (or joint committee) is entirely fitting. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:05, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
+::So now you want to redefine the term junta. I am not buying it RobS. And neither is the public. The reason why Conservapedia ranks #1 at Google for the term "Biden junta" is that other websites are not trying to foist the foolish notion of their being a "Biden junta". The whole "Biden junta" thing is absurd RobS. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:16, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
+:::By the way, when are the black helicopters of Biden junta going to land in all 50 state capitals of the USA? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:20, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
+::Call me a dissenter. I'm not onboard with your acceptance of incremental socialism. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:57, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Call me a realist. I'm not onboard with people refusing to accept reality. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:48, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
+:: Ignoring election fraud cause the election is over is like ignoring murder cause the victim is dead - Sydney Powell. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 09:35, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Non sequitur. Even if there was rampant election fraud, that does not mean that a military or paramilitary force installed Joe Biden as president. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:55, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::''"Grandpa, what did you do when the totalitarian leftists were taking away our rights, destroying civilized society, and persecuting innocent people? Were you with the Resistance or Collaborators? or did you just shut your eyes to the destruction of the Constitution and all the human rights abuses?'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:56, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
+Your emotional "argument"/plea did not overcome my logical and factual argument. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:10, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
+:Well, at least now [https://youtu.be/fWoWYPXXwvE we know where you stand]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:10, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
-The political paradigm that best predicts the future is Samuel Huntington's classic book [https://www.amazon.com/Clash-Civilizations-Remaking-World-ebook/dp/B000R1BAH4/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1475332513&sr=1-1&keywords=clash+of+civilizations&linkCode=sl1&tag=voxpop06-20&linkId=8cff870a095ef39d72c363d90a884e79 The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World] which already has been prescient. There is a growing conflict between the West and Islam and we live in a complex, multipolar, muliticivilizational world. I just hope the Christianization of China causes there to be less conflict between China and the USA as this will help bridge the cultural gap between our nations (see: [[Growth of Christianity in China]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:10, 2 October 2016 (EDT)
+:[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/06/21/president-trump-extensive-interview-with-david-brody-i-have-not-conceded/ President Trump: “I Have Not Conceded”]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:49, June 21, 2021 (EDT)
+::Trump will never concede. Trump's self-concept is that he is a winner. And winners don't lose. The baby boomers have a lot of problems with narcissism.
-== Blacks stop showing up to Clinton events ==
+::I do hope some state audits of the presidential election show significant fraud. The USA ranks 57th in election integrity compared to other countries that are democracies.[https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-10-07/us-elections-compare-poorly-to-other-democracies-research-shows] There is a lot of room for improvement.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:54, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
-Empty pews greet Clinton when she visits black churches, or so says ''[http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/10/blacks_boycotting_hillarys_campaign_events.html American Thinker]''. That shows you just how excited Clinton's core constituency really is. At the last debate, Trump promised to restore to law and order and bring back stop and frisk, while Clinton promised to do what she could for overweight beauty queens. Trump's lead in the Dornsife poll now stands at 4.6 points, slightly higher than it was before the debate.[http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/] Trump is ahead with all age groups. Among 18-35 year olds, he is ahead 43-41. This makes Millennials an astonishingly conservative generation. Clinton has named Merkel, Germany's Islamifying chancellor, as her favorite world leader.[http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hillary-clinton-favorite-world-leader-111012009.html] If she gets to name a fifth leftist to the U.S. Supreme Court, Clinton will have more power than Obama ever did. In November, Americans have one last chance to support the U.S. Constitution and avoid the tyranny of Islamic law. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:15, 3 October 2016 (EDT)
+:::Now you're beginning to see the point. That Arizona audit, which should be complete by August, is key.  If Arizona proves fine and reports Biden won fair and square, then we'll toss in the towel and you can move Biden junta to Biden administration. But so far it appears significant fraud in AZ & GA, with PA next to audit.
+:::Why does any of this matter? Because you are deluded to think a Republican will ever win an election again in 2022 or 2024.  There simply is not the time to implement the reforms needed.  And it doesn't matter if 51%, 60%, 66%, or 75%  vote against the Socialist Democrats. No amount of legitimate votes can defeat the collusion of the CCP, DNC, and Big Tech. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:55, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
-== Time to impeach Comey ==
+== Capitol raided by FBI informants? ==
-I don't want to sound like a RINO or anything, but there is some major news that Trump probably should be talking about. (No, not [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3819671/Man-claiming-Bill-Clinton-s-illegitimate-son-prostitute-continues-campaign-former-president-recognize-him.html the Clinton love child].) The stench from James Comey's FBI has just gotten a lot stronger. Here is the latest: "[https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/10/03/corrupt-fbi-agreed-to-destroy-laptops-of-clintons-top-aides-in-immunity-deal/ Corrupt: FBI Agreed to Destroy Laptops of Clinton's Top Aides in Immunity Deal]." See also "[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3819681/How-did-Cheryl-Mills-immunity-acting-Clinton-s-lawyer-GOP-lodges-formal-complaint-D-C-bar.html#ixzz4M3li8oue How did Cheryl Mills get immunity if she was also acting as Clinton's lawyer? GOP lodges formal complaint with D.C. bar]." Well, what did you expect from the guy who triggered the Valerie Plame investigation?[http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/fbi-nominee-james-comey-triggered-plamegate-investigation] Comey is definitely a Democrat's kind of Republican. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:55, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
+Did the FBI pay informants to attack the Capitol on January 6? Tucker Carlson is [https://youtu.be/R-BzH3BSX7A on the case]. He argues that the "unindicted co-conspirators" that seem to be everywhere in the legal filings are in fact FBI informants. Given the FBI's track record, they don't deserve any benefit of the doubt. Mueller set Governor Spitzer up with a hooker sting and protected Boston gangster Whitey Bulger. Half the people in the "kidnapping plot" last year against Governor Gretchen Whitmer were FBI informants. During the "war on terror", the FBI was astonishingly good at uncovering terror plots. With Mueller at the helm, why wouldn't they be? He may have stumbled around during the anthrax investigation. But when the plots are FBI generated, they are a lot easier to crack. YouTube is rigorously censoring this story the same way they used to censor the lab-leak story. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:28, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
+:[https://greenwald.substack.com/p/questions-about-the-fbis-role-in Glenn Greenwald has a good take on this]. Tucker's idea that the term "unindicted co-conspirators" is code for FBI informant is probably wrong. In the Michigan case, the FBI informants were called "confidential sources." But there are other reasons to suspect FBI involvement, none of which are being addressed by the liberal media. Low level figures in the Proud Boys, Three Percenters, and Oath Keepers are being targeted, but not the leaders. The Three Percenters was also involved in the Whitmer incident and the head of Proud Boys has worked as an informer in the past. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 04:40, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
+::The FBI should focus more on more pressing threats. Strzok and Page should be in jail and Wray should have been fired. If the FBI focused on more pressing threats, perhaps the Twin Towers would still be standing. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:50, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
+:It's [[Ruby Ridge]] all over. [https://freedomjournalist.com/fbi-dhs-attempted-to-recruit-military-to-infiltrate-rioters-before-jan-6/]  The ATF tried to blackmail and frame Randy Weaver to infiltrate Aryan Nations. And when he refused, they murdered his family. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 09:38, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
+::Liberals vilified the police for months. Then the [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-slow-building-conservative-effort-to-turn-ashli-babbitt-into-a-martyr/ar-AALbYUR Capitol Police killed Ashley Babbitt and suddenly they were heroes deserving of Congressional gold medals]. The Capital Police somehow managed to deal with the BLM attack on June 1-2 without killing anybody. Where are the gold medals for the Minneapolis police? Nicholas Kristoff tells us that Babbitt watched Tucker Carlson. I want to know what shows the police officer who shot her watched. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:42, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
+:If you want to leave libs with their mouth agape, just post "Defund the Capitol Police" in your next Facebook or Twitter discussion. Timing is important.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:02, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
-== Bill Clinton bashes Obamacare ==
+:Update: Read [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/green-beret-jeremy-brown-calls-us-patriots-asked-spy-oath-keepers-fbi-deep-state-step-forward-speak/ what happened to this guy] and compare it with what happened to Randy Weaver.  In both cases, for openers Randy Weaver ran for Sheriff in a primary as a Republican and lost, and this Green Beret ran for Congress in a primary as a Republican and lost. Evidentally, dabbling in Republican politics since 1989 makes the feds think you have leadership skills and makes you a target for recruitment and blackmail. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:39, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
+::I once ran for Minnesota state senate as a Republican. Hey, I won my primary. "Hang the murderers" was my tagline. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:47, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
+:Wow. If they can find something or frame you on something, don't be surprised if they come knocking on your door at 7:30 some morning and ask you to do them a favor. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:46, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
-Obamacare is a "crazy system" that "doesn't make any sense," according to Bill Clinton.[http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/10/bill-clinton-on-obamacare-its-the-craziest-thing-in-the-world.php][http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/03/bill-clinton-calls-obamacare-crazy-system-while-campaigning-in-michigan.html] Clinton comprehensively trashed of every aspect of the program: “the insurance model doesn’t work here” and "Premiums doubled and coverage cut in half." Obamacare is notoriously Obama's "signature program." Unless Obama hits back hard in the next few days, we can assume he approved this. Obamacare was a "Cloward-Piven." It was always supposed to fail. The purpose was to bankrupt the insurance companies and thus pave the way for the great left-wing dream, a single payer system. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 05:51, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
+== We need to talk about the elephant in the room ==
-== Bill Clinton's purported illegitimate son Danney Williams ==
+"[https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3138371/woman-thailand-discovers-elephant-her-kitchen-searching Woman in Thailand discovers elephant in her kitchen searching for snacks]." (SCMP) The photo is hilarious. The Thais believe that you can "make merit" by feeding an elephant, so Thai elephants are not shy. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:58, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
+:Give him some crackers or something. Elephants aren't meat eaters, but I'm sure they could bruise your hand with their teeth if you weren't careful and tried feeding them by hand. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:03, June 23, 2021 (EDT)
-"Corrupt US Media TOTALLY IGNORES Story on Bill Clinton’s Illegitimate Son."???  The media are not ignoring this.  A simple Google search for "Danney Williams" gets a lot of interesting info.  The best summary can be found at http://www.snopes.com/bill-clinton-illegitimate-son/.  You may not think Snopes is reliable, but the article has a bunch of interesting links to other pages.  Like this one: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/21/my-quest-to-find-bill-clinton-s-love-child.html.  There is also a reference to ''Time'' magazine, 18 July 1999:
+== Strange Behavior of this Wiki ==
-:Using the Starr Report's FBI analysis of Clinton's DNA as its reference, Star paid former prostitute Bobbie Ann Williams, the source for the Globe article, and her 13-year-old son for their story and blood samples. And the result: "'''There was no match. Not even close'''," says a Star source. (The Starr Report contains sufficient data to make a valid DNA comparison to rule out paternity.) But if the tabloid was disappointed by the results, it's putting up a good, Brill's Content-ready front. Says editor in chief Phil Bunton: "We investigate dozens of stories every week, and if they don't prove to be true, we don't run them."
+Each time I try to log in as "AugustO", I'm logged off immediately, so I cannot use my account. I created this dummy account to make you aware of this problem, and I'd love to know the reason for the strange behvior of this wiki. Thanks, [[User:AugustO2|AugustO2]] ([[User talk:AugustO2|talk]]) 09:38, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
-"If the story were false, a paternity test would have easily proven it."?  Yes.  A paternity test did prove it.  [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 11:19, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
+PS: "Which Greek city was the center of an ancient empire?" "Athens" was an empire? That was my third try, after Byzantium and Constantinople! --[[User:AugustO2|AugustO2]] ([[User talk:AugustO2|talk]]) 09:41, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
-:It seems implausible that the tabloid ''Star'' would have access to DNA held by the independent prosecutor Ken Starr.  Starr didn't work for Star.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 13:10, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
+:When you tried logging in via "AugustO", did you click on the checkbox which says "Check this box"? —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 10:08, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
-:::You gotta love this one: According to Wikipedia, the tabloid ''Star'' totally exonerates Bill Clinton from Danny Williams and his mother's charge, but the same tabloid ''Star'' totally discredits Gennifer Flowers story since it first appeared in the ''Star''. Maybe somebody can add this to Bias in WP.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 21:43, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
-::Not to mention, if I recall correctly, Clinton couldn't have had an illegitimate son, illegitimate daughter, or, heck, any offspring for that matter, since [http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/exclusive-interview-bill-clinton-paternity-chelsea-bombshell-explodes/  he pretty much made it clear that he "shot blanks" due to being exposed to the measles as an adult]. Even Chelsea Clinton was strongly rumored to the extent of being an open secret in Arkansas was fathered by someone else, specifically
+::No. Never. *LOL* Thank you, this bugged me for months! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 10:41, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
-[[Webster Hubbell]]. I don't like either Bill or Hillary Clinton by any stretch, but I really think that this current Conservapedia news bit should be removed, since it's pretty clear Mr. Clinton can't have children, legitimate or illegitimate. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 15:53, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
-*This tabloid trash was on Drudge back in 1999! The ''Daily Mail'' article has nothing new in it, aside from the fact that Williams is now 30. Grover Cleveland had an illegitimate child and was an outstanding president and a fine conservative all the same. There's news from this decade that needs to be covered. We have nothing about the [http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440697/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-side-deals-fbi-department-justice-politicized Cheryl Mill side deal] or [https://gop.com/bill-clinton-admits-obamacares-failures/ Bill throwing Obamacare under the bus]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 19:18, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
-:So its not true but the story won't go away why? Maybe it is relevant because Bill has a dozen other sexual predator instances including a trip(s) with a known pedophile to partake in underage relations. He and his wife live in the spotlight and he is not held to any standard for his actions. Fair game on any conspiracy theories. --Jpatt 21:16, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
+:::You're welcome! Unfortunately this problem's been around since last fall, and Andy still hasn't been able to fix it yet. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 11:09, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
-: In other words, it's not true, but you don't care, because iot fits with your deep-seated hatred of Bill Clinton. [[User:Jpatt]], you're a repulsive excuse for a human being, Now, banhammer me, coward. [[User:WLoman|WLoman]] ([[User talk:WLoman|talk]]) 22:45, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
+== An observation about the developed countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far.  Let's look at Finland. ==
+[[File:Flag of Finland.png|thumbnail|right|Finland was a great place to be during the coronavirus pandemic. Long live Finland whose citizens have capitalism, lots of consumer choices, free speech and many other freedoms!
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+I will also point out the a very large percentage of the countries that have handled the coronavirus pandemic so far have a Protestant cultural legacy or were strongly influenced by such a country (U.S. had a strong influence on Japan, Singapore was a British colony).  See: [[Protestant cultural legacies]].
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+The national flag of Iceland has a cross on it which reflects its Christian heritage.]]
-::I don't ban people for being a pathetic loser. It's not true but I'm repulsive and Bill Clinton's actions are not. Classic bi-polar you exhibit.--Jpatt 05:33, 5 October 2016 (EDT)
+''See also:'' [[Essay: An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland.|An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland.]]
-:::There's always going to be someone doing some goldigging against someone else, in this case Bill Clinton's alleged love child.  And the keyboard here is "alleged", so until proof comes along, we have to use that word.  But the hate lies with trolls like the apply-named WLoman above, who just has to have his licks in defending his favorite presidential rapist.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 05:49, 5 October 2016 (EDT)
+Some of the of most successful countries that handled the coronavirus well in terms of per capita deaths are: New Zealand, Singapore, Australia, Taiwan, Japan, Iceland,  Norway and [[Finland]].
-==Sinners should criticize other sinners==
+Obviously, some of the countries had geographic advantages which made them less porous as far as infected people coming into their countries (Islands, etc.).
-Why is Trump talking about the Clinton's marriage? Bill is a scumbag who cheated on Hillary multiple times, but Trump is on his third marriage and has been accused of infidelity in the past as well. What moral high ground does he have? [[User:MatthewT|MatthewT]] ([[User talk:MatthewT|talk]]) 16:03, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
+Let take a look at Finland which is not an island.
-*Honestly, even though I can't say Trump is a stellar example of someone who is faithful in marriage, I'm personally glad that at least SOMEONE is actually speaking out on Bill Clinton's infidelity and sordid past which might include rape, even if that someone is a person who isn't much better regarding the moral highground either. Clinton's gotten away with far too much on that front if you ask me, so the more exposure, the better. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 16:09, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
-::I replaced the [[apocryphal]] quote from the [[Bible]] in the heading.  Sinners obviously should criticize other sinners.  It's long overdue for the Clintons to be criticized.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 16:59, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
+One of the most successful developed countries to tackle the coronavirus that didn't have the advantage of being geographically isolated (New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, etc.) was Finland whose deaths per 100,000 people was very respectable.[https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality]
-:::Gotten away with far too much? He was impeached over his infidelity! The whole world knew what he did. Do we need to rehash a 20 year old affair? He's not the candidate, you know. [[User:BrianKay|BrianKay]] ([[User talk:BrianKay|talk]]) 22:34, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
-Hillary enabled Bill Clinton's infidelities by helping her husband go on the attack to villify the women. See: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/ .
-She also beaned the Secret Service (who probably abetted Bill and warned him when Hillary was coming near) with a Bible/books and a lamp.  See: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/4/hillary-clintons-hired-thugs-quieted-bill-clintons/
+Does Finland have private medical companies and capitalism? Yes.
-Trump has issues, but he is the lesser of two evils. Hillary goes beyond sometimes being callous and often being self-centered and goes into vicious territory.
+Does Finland have lots of free speech and many other freedoms? Yes.
-I think Trump's main reason for running for president is he wants to see America great again and he likes the spotlight/adulation.  He is probably losing money by running to be president.
+Does Finland give its consumers a lot of choices? Yes.
-Hillary wants to be president because: 1) She wants more and bigger bribes 2) Lust for power. 3) She wants to the USA to go left of her husband's policies.
+Is Finnish society very harmonious or is there a lot of contention and the calling of people scum, etc.? "Finns have a reputation for reticence, thoughtfulness and unemotional behavior. They are quiet, reflective, somber and, for some, seemingly stubborn and standoffish. They are unwilling to speak unless they have something of importance to say. There is a saying that when a Finn says something, they really mean it."[http://blog.goinglobal.com/understanding-finnish-culture-is-key-to-thriving-in-finland/#:~:text=Finns%20have%20a%20reputation%20for,something%2C%20they%20really%20mean%20it.]
-At least Trump wants to stem the tide of illegal immigrants, have a sensible legal immigration policy, wants to do the things to spur job growth and investment money back into the USA and wants to balance trade and not run a perpetual trade deficit.
+Did the harmonious Finnish people have public-private partnerships to tackle the coronavirus pandemic? Yes, they did.[https://algorithmwatch.org/en/automating-society-2020-covid19/finland/]
-And the Clinton Foundation is one big bribery machine. Like one of the biggest hubs of bribery at the federal level. Hillary is not the champion of woman she pretends to be.  She is the champion of lining her pockets with bribes.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:58, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
+Next time some contentious, leftist/liberal tells you the answer to solving the coronavirus pandemic in a country is to shut down free speech and demonize opponents, tell them how beautifully Finland handled the coronavirus pandemic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:53, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
-*When the Trump campaign was in free fall back in August, the donors intervened to get Conway and Bannon appointed managers. That put Trump back on track, at least for a while. I'd hate to see him get sucked back into Roger Stone's tabloidy vortex. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:57, 5 October 2016 (EDT)
-== Hacker finds "Pay to Play" folder at Clinton Foundation ==
+:It's far from over. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:56, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::I will also point out the a very large percentage of the countries that have handled the coronavirus pandemic so far have a Protestant cultural legacy or were strongly influenced by such a country (U.S. had a strong influence on Japan, Singapore was a British colony).  See: [[Protestant cultural legacies]].
-Hey, ''New York Times'' why don't you publish this: "[http://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2016/10/04/guccifer-2.0-hacks-clinton-foundation/ Guccifer 2.0 Hacks Clinton Foundation]." It turns out that the foundation functions as a kind of corruption headquarters. If Guccifer 2.0 is to be believed, they maintain a folder labeled "Pay to Play." It includes an astonishing spreadsheet that links TARP money to kickbacks that were paid to various politicians. The big money went to Barney Frank, Carolyn Mahoney, and the DCCC, the political committee for the House Democrats. Eight years too late, we find out the real reason for the 2008 bailout craze. When George W. Bush said he'd chucked his principles, he wasn't kidding. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:01, 4 October 2016 (EDT)
+::Here I stand on the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well. I can do no other. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:03, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
-:It turns out that the "pay to play" spreadsheet is public information that was originally collected by a watchdog group back in 2009. It's not clear that the Clinton Foundation was actually hacked. Guccifer 2.0 has also hacked the DNC and DCCC, so the documents could have been taken from either of those two data bases.[http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/299236-alleged-guccifer-20-hack-of-clinton-foundation-raises-suspicions] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 12:15, 7 October 2016 (EDT)
-== Kaine interrupted 39 times ==
+:My point is, it's far too early to draw any conclusions.  No one knows how a man-made virus will behave in the future, or what other man-made viruses await us. Or the efficacy of so-called "vaccines" against man-made viruses. As to the reaction against [https://www.hoover.org/research/china-deliberately-spread-coronavirus-what-are-strategic-consequences a bioweapon attack upon the planet], worldwide reaction has been an unmitigated failure and continues to be. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:06, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Unfortunately, in the USA, leftist/liberal ideology in its educational systems, has made the USA less harmonious and less Protestant friendly.
-As liberals often do.  And Donald Trump interrupted Clinton 25 times in the first 26 minutes [http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/09/27/debate-night-hofstra-university-by-the-numbers-trump-clinton/91150772/] and apparently [http://www.refinery29.uk/2016/09/124514/donald-trump-interrupt-hillary-clinton-debate 51] times in all during their debate.  I must be honest I have always thought Donald Trump isn't really a conservative and now I guess this proves it.  [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] ([[User talk:Davidspencer|talk]]) 09:33, 5 October 2016 (EDT)
+:::RobS, I retitled the title of this section to: "An observation about the developed countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well <big>'''so far'''</big>.  Let's look at Finland."[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:08, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::Realize the bio-weapon attack was upon the entire [[Western]] system of governance, not just their healthcare systems or economies, so I suggest expanding the parameters of your thesis. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:16, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::::I am very happy with my essay [[Essay: An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland.|An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland.]]. I just wanted to make a few key points in an essay. I do not want to write a book.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:58, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Okay, I see. Then may I suggest you prepare your work as a foundational counter weapon to what appears to be a long struggle ahead for the remainder of this century.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:14, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
+I don't have any grand plans for my essay.
-:Pence was not smearing Kaine when Kaine interrupted, as Hillary was smearing Trump when he said something.  Also, Trump's so-called interruptions were not really disruptive. Finally, Kaine repeatedly interrupted the woman moderator.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 10:33, 5 October 2016 (EDT)
+I have some plans for what struggles I am going to be involved in.
-The other candidates are so rude this year that Pence can make waves just by being a gentleman. Some pundits are complaining that Pence promoted himself rather than Trump. Traditionally, the presidential candidate tries to be likeable while the running mate plays attack dog. Between Trump himself, Gingrich and Giuliani, the Trump campaign has more than enough attack dogs. So having Pence play good cop was logical as campaign strategy -- although Pence certainly helped himself as well. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:34, 5 October 2016 (EDT)
+And I am going to be less involved in politics in the future. I view the baby boomers as a selfish and short-sighted generation. And unfortunately, their descendants are not high-caliber people. The acorn does not fall far from the tree. And as long as you have low-caliber people running things, they are not going to be run well.
-:Pence may have planned to be more aggressive. Each time he brought up Clinton's email or the Clinton Foundation, the moderator cut him off. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 12:49, 7 October 2016 (EDT)
-::Indeed.  As usual, it was democrat and moderator vs. republican.  Why do the republicans take this kind of abuse?  If they put their foot down and say "NO!" they could have a significant influence.  To Trump's credit, he did this once, but whether they be liberals from Fox, or the AP driven CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN team, they all have the same goal.  Surely if the republican candidates tried, they could arrange something more neutral. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 15:33, 7 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::I agree. The Republican Party is weak. It holds record majorities in both the House and Senate, but it still cannot stop the leftist agenda of Obama. How in the world did the Iran deal pass, by the way? If only the GOP would pick better leaders than [[John Boehner]] or [[Mitch McConnell]]. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 19:46, 7 October 2016 (EDT)
-== Trump and the taxman ==
+Also, "No soldier in active service entangles himself in the affairs of everyday life, so that he may please the one who enlisted him as a soldier." - The Apostle Paul, 1 Timothy 2:4[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:22, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
-Trump's lead over Hillary has been cut by two points in the last week. The mainstream media is once again filled with obituaries for the Trump campaign. Everyone noticed he was unprepared for the debate, but there was no immediate reaction in the polls. The image of him tweeting about Machado and sex tapes at 3 am probably hurt him more. But the biggest issue is his tax returns. At very least, Trump is making too much news and allowing the media to downplay the continuing stream of damaging reports about the Clintons. Giuliani and Christie called Trump a "genius" at tax avoidance. That is definitely not helping. Trump's accountant has taken responsibility and claims Trump isn't involved in tax preparation at all: "[http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a49271/trump-tax-loophole/ Trump's Tax Accountant Claims He's the Loophole-Exploiting Genius, Not Trump]." That's what Trump and his spokesmen need to be emphasizing. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:34, 5 October 2016 (EDT)
+:A few years ago we debated "the dumbing down of America" before school boards. Now we have arrived at the pot of gold at the end of the liberal rainbow with CRT.
+:As to the boomer generation, despite its large numbers, it was never a political monolith. The Vietnam war divided it politically in its youth between Marxists and Patriots. By the election of the first boomer president, the draft dodger Bill Clinton, it was obvious the Marxists won.  As a boomer, I'll modify and recycle a slogan used by the [[NRA]] in the 1960s: "I'll give up the screwed up world I inherited from the World War II generation when you pry it from my cold dead fingers."  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup>
+::If the leftist/liberal extremists gain a ton of ground in the USA (defund the police, etc.), I will move to a solidly red state or I will emigrate. I am not worried about politics. I have options. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:33, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
-== Popular articles ==
+(ec) Cons: here's a suggestion for an essay based on an obvious fact in front of our faces that most people ignore: childless people, particularly homosexuals, have much more time to devote to politics and political activity than voters raising a family. Hence, homosexuals as candidates for office, and in media and academia, can present themselves as alleged "experts" in certain areas. Voters with children and families need to simply apply this litmus tests to people like Kamala Harris, Angela Merkel, Theresa May, etc. etc. etc.. If they don't have children, they don't seem too worried about "what kind of world we leave to our child." They seem more focused on the power they can amass for themselves here and now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:36, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:I so rarely think about homosexuality, the essay would never be written!
-Hi all. Just noticed that the article "Evolution syndrome" appears twice in the "popular articles" section. Frankly I'm surprised such editorialised nonsense made it through quality control in the first place. It's not Conservapedia's best work!
+:I am taking the Apostle Paul's advice to the Philippians at this juncture in my life. "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things." - Philippians 4:8. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:29, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
-== In Obama's world, it's always the fault of U.S. conservatives ==
+== Hands up, don't nuke ==
-Did you think that the Syrian Civil War was Obama's fault because he failed to arm non-jihadist rebels before ISIS muscled in? Or perhaps you thought it was the fault of Syria's Baathist government? Putin and the Russians? Wrong, wrong, and wrong! It's all the fault of climate denying Americans, according to Obama.[http://nypost.com/2016/10/06/president-obamas-most-pathetic-excuse-yet/] “Droughts that happened in Syria contributed to the unrest and the Syrian civil war,” as Obama told Leo DiCaprio recently. Sadly, this was possible because “members of Congress...scoff at climate change," the president explained. Uh, Mr. President, Syria is a country with a very long history and that history includes many droughts. [http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/09/06/2013-conflict-in-syria-blamed-on-drought-caused-by-global-warming-flashback-1933-yo-yo-banned-in-syria-blamed-for-drought-by-moslems/ Climate Deport] has something on the 1933 Syrian drought. [http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-near-eastern-world/the-last-days-of-hattusa/ Here] is something about the droughts around 1200 BC (linked to the collapse of Bronze Age civilization). [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 14:56, 7 October 2016 (EDT)
+Somebody let Biden out of the basement again: "Those who say the blood of Patriots, you know, and all the stuff about how we’re gonna have to move against the government... If you think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons."
-== Trump Tapes ==
+This may sound like dementia acting up, but he's actually said similar things before. He thinks it's a really clever argument: "You don't need those guns cause I am gonna nuke you anyway." Well, we can only hope that the military isn't quite ready to nuke patriotic Americans. Liberals obviously don't believe this argument themselves. Antifa, BLM, the Secret Service, the FBI, the security guards for Hollywood starlets all carry guns. Liberal oppose stop and frisk, which is to say that they don't see any problem with criminals having guns. So what's wrong with guns? From a liberal point of view, the problem is that conservatives have a lot of them and could use them against "peaceful protesting" Antifa and BLM. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:25, June 26, 2021 (EDT)
-I said it a long, long time ago.  This man Trump needs to go.   He disgusts me and every decent thinking American who loves their wives, their daughters, their womenfolk.   Referring to women as "it".   Basically what he was saying he could do was an actual crime of sexual assault.   All of us on the Right need to stop supporting this monster.   Does he honor us?  [[User:Bringreaganback|Bringreaganback]] ([[User talk:Bringreaganback|talk]]) 20:28, 7 October 2016 (EDT)
+:Ah, the good ol' days, when people were less barbaric and used the guillotine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:20, June 26, 2021 (EDT)
-:Who is the better alternative person to vote for who has a chance of winning? Hillary?
-:Trump is not going anywhere. He isn't dropping out of the race. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:08, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
+== Bet on gold all the way ==
+How can we tell that we are just about to be hit with some serious inflation? Biden held a press conference to explain how great inflation is: "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBpNoY9XTEY President Biden: “Pay Them More”]" My grandparents told us about being paid in wheelbarrows full of cash in Weimar Germany. So, yeah, I guess in a way they were paid more. Germany used inflation to get rid of its WWI debt. What is the upside this time around? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 05:04, June 28, 2021 (EDT)
+:Before you invest in gold, there are few simple fundamental economic precepts one should understand:
+:#All prices are [[ratio]]s. For example, a dollar hamburger on the McDonald's dollar menu sells for 1:1
+:#The price of gold sells at a ratio of how many ozs. of sliver exchange for one oz. of gold. For example, today's gold price sells for 1:67.
+:#The price of silver is determined by how man ozs. of silver exchange for one barrel of oil. In this example, we'll use West Texas Crude. Today's price is 2.82:1
+:What you do with this information is now up to you. Sorry, but I'll have to charge you if you want anymore information.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:30, June 28, 2021 (EDT)
-::Don't blame me, I voted for Cruz.  However, now that our options are limited, I'll give Trump my next vote.  Conservative is right, it's him or Clinton, and we know which of the two will destroy this country.  --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 00:17, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
+== Another "four Pinocchios" for senile Joe! ==
-::Well, I'm just not going to vote - much simpler.   I just won't support a man so base,   My friends are walking away in spades too.  [[User:Bringreaganback|Bringreaganback]] ([[User talk:Bringreaganback|talk]]) 01:56, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
+[https://thehill.com/homenews/media/560513-wapost-gives-biden-four-pinocchios-for-saying-second-amendment-bans-cannon WaPost gives Biden four 'Pinocchios' for saying Second Amendment bans cannon ownership] —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Monday, 17:13, June 28, 2021 (EDT)
-:::I know that's a popular tactic, but by doing so, you are making it much more likely for the greater of two evils to win.  It's one or the other, so it's a good idea to pick the one you believe to be the better choice.  I even voted for Romney last time (insert retching sounds here) because I knew Obama would be worse. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 02:06, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
+== The "Longer Telegram" ==
-::::Drudge has several Hillary-the-lesbian items today. See [http://www.theamericanmirror.com/hillary-huma-celebrate-20th-professional-anniversary/ here] and [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2424555/Bill-Clintons-mistress-Gennifer-Flowers-Wed-today-wasnt-Chelsea.html here]. I hope Trump isn't going there. There are plenty of bloggers and Twitter ragers prepared to handle Bill's bastards and Hillary's "soulmates." If Trump could just get his act together for a few weeks, he'd be elected in a landslide. But somehow that's just not his thing. In any case, I'll vote for Mike Pence and try not to notice Trump's name on the ballot. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:12, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::::Clearly none of you have daughters.   Imagine your daughter, working somewhere, dealing with a boss like Trump.  Position of power, leering at her, knowing he can do as he wish because otherwise he'll fire her.   Moves in, touches her forcefully and inappropriately in the privates.   Would you like her to tell you the story?   Would you think she should stay in her job?  As the evening has developed, I know where I stand, and it's with my daughters.  [[User:Bringreaganback|Bringreaganback]] ([[User talk:Bringreaganback|talk]]) 02:21, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::::::Not a bad strategy, PeterKa. Why is it they keep giving us mediocre candidates, then tossing in a good V.P. as if that's going to make us happy?  It's not working, but I'll vote anyway.  If I must stab myself with a knife, I'd rather do it in my leg than in my chest.<br />
+An anonymous individual associated with the Atlantic Council has published a "Longer Telegram" that serves as a modern-day equivalent to George F. Kennan's "Long Telegram." This one is aimed at China.
-:::::::Someone really needs to flush all the RINOs though.  The liberals have given a whole new meaning to the saying, "if you can't beat them, join them."
-:::::::Bringreaganback, I'll agree that he lacks discretion and respect, but you should take a lot of what the AP reports with a grain of salt.  (Actually, take it with a block of salt--maybe we should just buy salt mines.) They desperately want to destroy him, and for this reason keep misrepresenting him and taking things far out of proportion. I know he's not innocent, but it's very hard to know how much of what he is accused of is actually true.  Many of their accusations can (and have been) disproven, but some simply cannot be, so there's no way to know for sure. Where is the proof for most of these claims?  The recent video of course does prove a small portion of the accusations, but it's amazing how many people will lie just to destroy someone they hate. When that doesn't work, they resort to distorting and mutilating their opponent's words. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 02:34, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::::::::I'm sorry DavidB4, but didn't you hear him call a women an "it"?   Or did you hear him say that his fame allows him to assault women by grabbing them in the wherever?   I mean, I'm not even going to refer to any other single thing he's done or said.  This video is appalling enough.   There's no need to believe in media bias - it's all right there, unless you're suggesting that's not his voice, which perhaps you are?   I'm not saying I'm supporting Hillary, but for any of us Christian conservatives to support the words we heard today from this man (who was 59 at the time), we should know we can't support Trump.  The very LAST thing he represents is our values.   Even Hillary is closer to our values that him, frankly, though I can't vote for her.  [[User:Bringreaganback|Bringreaganback]] ([[User talk:Bringreaganback|talk]]) 02:58, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
-The key line was " even Hillary is closer to our values...". As if corruption, bribery, theft, rape and murder are wholesome values.  Seen for what he was: Hillary supporter, ''agent provocateur''. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 05:46, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
+[https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/The-Longer-Telegram-Toward-A-New-American-China-Strategy.pdf Extra, extra, read all about it!]
+:How many 50 cent words were in the Long Telegram? [https://english.stackexchange.com/a/96181]  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:06, June 28, 2021 (EDT)
-:When Joe Biden creeps women, it's Joe being Joe. When Bill Clinton is accused of rape, nothing to see there. Let's face it, women hate to be objectified but they sure made Fifty Shades of Grey a smashing success. --Jpatt 06:35, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
+==What is with the administrative state?==
+I have been watching C-Span since it first came on, now in its 4th decade. I have got to be the only human being on the planet (outside of DC) who enjoys watching C-Span 3 all day Saturday, a channel no one else ever heard of. But I have never seen anyone in the executive branch flatly refuse to answer a question in a Congressional hearing - not until this year. 5 times so far this year, and 3 times in just the past week. Why do we even have Congressional hearings now, if this is the pattern of the future? Better yet, what do we even need Congress for, if this is the attitude of the people in the administrative state have, since they evidently have all the power and are accountable to no one?  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 04:42, June 29, 2021 (EDT)
-The Trump response:
+== Add To In The News  ==
-{{Cquote|I’ve never said I’m a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I’m not. I’ve said and done things I regret, and the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. Anyone who knows me, know these words don’t reflect who I am.
+'''Massive setback to the Defund The Police Movement''': Former Police Officer and Opponent of Defunding the Police Eric Adams wins the Democratic Primary for Mayor of New York, defeating Anti-Police and AOC-Backed Maya Wiley.[https://nypost.com/2021/06/29/eric-adams-narrowly-edges-garcia-in-preliminary-ranked-choice-results-boe/] --[[User:TheNewRight|TheNewRight]] ([[User talk:TheNewRight|talk]]) 16:43, June 29, 2021 (EDT)
-I said it, it was wrong, and I apologize.
+How does school choice have anything to do with either evolution or atheism?--[[User:Joao felix|Joao felix]] ([[User talk:Joao felix|talk]]) 11:06, June 30, 2021 (EDT)
-I’ve travelled the country talking about change for America. But my travels have also changed me. I’ve spent time with grieving mothers who’ve lost their children, laid off workers whose jobs have gone to other countries, and people from all walks of life who just want a better future. I have gotten to know the great people of our country, and I’ve been humbled by the faith they’ve placed in me. I pledge to be a better man tomorrow, and will never, ever let you down.
+:Duh, students who attend a school of their choice are taught to think rather than being force-fed garbage, perhaps? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:16, June 30, 2021 (EDT)
-Let’s be honest. We’re living in the real world. This is nothing more than a distraction from the important issues we are facing today. We are losing our jobs, we are less safe than we were 8 years ago and Washington is broken.
+==Bill Cosby==
+Is Conservapedia seriously defending mass rapist [[Bill Cosby]]? ---[[User:BernieandTrumpFan|BernieandTrumpFan]] ([[User talk:BernieandTrumpFan|talk]]) 12:23, July 1, 2021 (EDT)
+:Defending? No. We're reporting facts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:59, July 1, 2021 (EDT)
+::Based on current law and the available evidence they could use, the prosecution could not have a strong case due to the statute of limitation laws and the multiple women asserting Bill Cosby raped them being silent for so long.
-Hillary Clinton, and her kind, have run our country into the ground.
+::Bill Cosby is largely a social pariah now - except for diehard Cosby fans. At least 60 women say Bill Cosby sexually assaulted them.[https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-bill-cosby-sexual-assault-case-timeline-20210630-lanbihvcdjahbkalmwvyaa3qva-story.html]
-I’ve said some foolish things, but there is a big difference between words and actions. Bill Clinton has actually abused women and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims. We will discuss this more in the coming days.
+::The Me Too Movement had momentum for a while, but when they stabbed Joe Biden sexual assault accuser Teara Reade in the back, they lost momentum. I doubt the possibility of getting widespread bipartisan support in the USA for statute of limitation changes for rape is there.
-See you at the debate on Sunday}}--Jpatt 07:03, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
+::Culture changes slow. Feminism has a long history[https://www.history.com/topics/womens-history/feminism-womens-history], but it's still a man's world and I don't see that ending anytime soon (or ever for that matter).  The historian Martin van Creveld is to the left of me culturally/politically. Although I don't agree with everything in Creveld's book on equality (he believes in evolution for example), he makes a lot of good points in his book [https://www.amazon.com/Equality-Impossible-Martin-van-Creveld/dp/9527065526/ref=sr_1_13?dchild=1&keywords=Martin+van+Creveld&qid=1616919965&s=books&sr=1-13 ''Equality: The Impossible Quest'']. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:53, July 3, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Cosby was prosecuted unfairly, in part a result of retaliation against him for a [[conservative]] talk he gave to the [[NAACP]] in 2004, known as the "Pound Cake" speech.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 23:09, July 3, 2021 (EDT)
-When Trumps words offend more than Bill Clinton's actions. '''Flight logs show Bill Clinton flew on sex offender's jet much more than previously known''' [http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html]--Jpatt 11:16, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
+:::How many women say [[Bill Clinton]] sexually assaulted them?  Was he ever prosecuted???--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 00:08, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Bill Clinton is somewhat of a social pariah now too (Even many Democrats don't like the Clintons now, but there are always partisans in our divided country). That is why Donald Trump had a news conference with 3 sexual abuse accusers of Bill Clinton before one of the presidential debates[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jDUBz53hBk] (It was in response to the press pressing Trump on the Access Hollywood Access tape.  Many Republicans would have folded after something like the Access Hollywood tape, but Trump played brass knuckles politics in response to the tape as a counter-response. It was classic whataboutism. Trump was letting the Clintons and media know that there would be a price to heavily promoting/covering the Access Hollywood tape for an extended period.). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:20, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
-Let's not forget that when the Democrats cry foul over all those mean things Trump said...they elected Obama, and pretty-much hid the same thing: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKYmiWiNqOw] [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 15:22, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
+==Macron==
+*[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9745875/Macron-Woke-leftist-culture-racialising-France-causing-splits-society.html Woke leftist culture imported from US is ‘racialising’ France, causing splits in society and holding back ethnic minorities, says President Macron],
+Ordinarily, this would be big news. But probably not on a holiday weekend. it could go in his bio or the globalism articles, however. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:42, July 3, 2021 (EDT)
+:Hope he appreciates the irony of chickens coming home to roost, since most of the woke leftist culture that we exported to France recently was in turn exported to us beforehand by people like Michel Foucault and Jacques Derrida, also Jean Baudrillard and Sartre as well. I think the only one besides Frankfurt School that France was completely innocent of creating, at least in terms of direct creations, was Critical Race Theory (that one unfortunately WAS directly created by us). Heck, hope he acknowledges France's role in all the non-CRT woke crap and goes out of his way to remove Foucault, Sartre, and the like from the Pantheon if they're even there. Might as well remove Voltaire and D'Alembert as well and restore the King of France as well, even consecrate the Heart of Mary while we're at it. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 21:23, July 3, 2021 (EDT)
+::As the Muslim population grows in Europe, the European anti-immigration, nativist, right-wing parties grow concurrently.  So European, secular leftists, will be facing a double-barrel shotgun of [[desecularization]] and nationalistic/nativistic, right-wing populism in the 21st century. And what is happening in Europe, will spread to the USA. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:12, July 3, 2021 (EDT)
-==Tebow/Manziel==
+== The woke U.S. Navy ==
-The MPR item is misleading. The NFL did not "let Johnny Manziel back in". His league-imposed suspension has expired, meaning he is eligible (but unlikely) to sign with a team again, just as the revered Tim Tebow is. The length of the suspension was set long ago and the timing of its end is merely coincidence, having absolutely nothing to do with the NFL's declining television ratings. [[User:Eg|Eg]] ([[User talk:Eg|talk]]) 10:34, 7 October 2016 (EDT)
+Russian military officers learn that Russia will rule the world from Aleksandr Dugin's ''Foundations of Geopolitics'' (1997) while the Chinese are reading Anthony Fauci's ''How to Sell Vaccine Using Genetically Engineered Viruses.'' (Oops, I don't know if that last one is an actual title.) Meanwhile, American officers are reading ''How to be an Antiracist'' by Ibrahim X. Kendi. (No, this one isn't a joke.) In [https://youtu.be/aBw9b4bbt-k one segment on Tucker Carlson], Admiral Gilday, head of naval operations, told Congress that he recommends this book, "To promote honest discussion about race." This is a mighty amusing reason because Kendi argues that honest discussion about race is itself racist. Petty much everything you can do or say is racist, according to the book.
-:Boxing and football are not very good sports as they have high rates of brain injuries.
+General Milley, chairman of the joint chiefs, earlier told Congress that he recommends this type of book to "understand white rage." Milley reads Mao to understand Maoism, so why doesn't he read a white supremacist to understand white rage? Because the idea is not to understand anything, but to encourage the military to look at Americans, especially patriotic Americans, as the enemy. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:19, July 3, 2021 (EDT)
-:God permitting Tebow to be excluded from the NFL was a blessing in disguise and part of His divine plan. :)  When will Tebow show his appreciation for this blessing in disguise by engaging in Tebowing after each and every home run?  I realize that baseball is not as flashy of a sport as football and public displays of triumph/thankfulness are not as common. But Tim Tebow merely pointing up to the sky after he crosses the home plate disappoints his many fans. He needs to engage in full-blown Tebowing after he cross the home plate! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:30, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
+:It's the [[Long march through the institutions]] of Rudy Dutschke. We've seen it coming for awhile. Now we have it in K-12 and the armed forces.  The only solution is to apply the brakes immediately.  Otherwise everything is lost. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:38, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
-== What's next for Trump? ==
+::I can see America losing our next war. We already made the foolish mistake of having a prolonged and costly war in Afghanistan that achieved nothing for the American people or the country of Afghanistan. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:25, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Heroin prices now go up. The bad news is, everytime you inject heroin in your arm. you're nolonger supporting the CIA - you're supporting our enemies who are trying to destroy us with drugs.  Alternatively, it is good news for [[Big Pharma]] (and the budding Mexican poppy growing industry).
+:::I think we already lost our next war, the [[U.S. Color Revolution]].  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:17, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Losing the Vietnam War was a boon to the domestic marijuana industry. While the war itself expanded consumer demand, when it ended domestic producers didn't even exist.  Now states rely on them for revenue. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:27, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Remember [[Bernardine Dohrn]] - Michele Obama's bridesmaid - immortal words from the failed 1960s Marxist revolution: "Dope is a weapon." And she was a trained Marxist, too. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:31, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
-I suppose we'll all have to wait for Sunday's debate and see what Trump has to say for himself. It is at least possible that he could pull off a "Checkers speech" of some kind. He's currently three points ahead of Hillary in the Dornsife poll, although it's too early for reaction to the 2005 tape to be factored in.[http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/] But he still hasn't practiced for any kind of debate. This debate will be in townhall format, so he'll have to answer questions from audience members, including women angry about the tape. His natural inclination is to hit back, which is not acceptable in this situation. All it took to fluster him in the first debate was for Holt, the alleged moderator, to turn on him. In short, it's hard to see the next debate as anything other than a looming disaster. In fact, Trump might want to cut his loses and skip it. Either way, it would give the RNC a basis to declare a vacancy and name someone else as the nominee. It's too late to take Trump off the ballot in most states, but the Republican electors can vote for the RNC-approved nominee when the Electoral College meets in December. Of course, the electors are free agents and can vote as they like.  [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:46, 8 October 2016 (EDT))
+== New York prosecutors indict Trump CFO ==
-:If not Trump, who? There is really only one option: Mike Pence. He has by far the best favorability numbers of anyone who could be considered a possibility. Pence's net favorability is +7,[http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/mike-pence-favorable-rating] Kasich 0, Cruz -31,[http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/ted-cruz-favorable-rating] Rubio -11,[http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/marco-rubio-favorable-rating] and Walker -15. For comparison, Trump has -31 and Hillary -10. Since Pence is currently the vice presidential candidate, Republicans have already gotten used to the idea of voting for him. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:07, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
-::It may be too late to change candidates, as the ballots are already printed, at least in some states, and many people have already voted absentee. [[User:BrianKay|BrianKay]] ([[User talk:BrianKay|talk]]) 01:16, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::Despite what the ballots say, you never vote directly for a presidential candidate. You vote for a slate of electors chosen by the state party. They have never substituted a presidential candidate before, but it's been done for vice presidential candidates. In principle, the process would be no different. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 05:46, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
-Trump gave a strong performance during the first half hour of the third debate.  He went downhill from there and did not pivot to his points well.  The goal is to move to promoting your own viewpoint rather than spending more time on what your opponent wants to talk about.  In the case of the Clinton Foundation, it is conflict of interest and "pay to play" rather than all of the nice things that the Foundation has done.  Trump's strongest argument is that HRC had 30 years to deliver on what she has been promising -- why should the public expect any change?  The question about "accept the results of the election" was unfair.  The best answer should have been "We are going to win with the help of the American voters that support me." [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 13:49, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
-:I do think that Trump had a very strong closing statement. It was powerful, possibly even more than Reagan's in 1980. I can't say how much of an effect it had, but I was very impressed by it. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 18:41, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
-== Even Bill Clinton thinks Hillary may have really done it this time. ==
+The headlines tell us that the Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance's indictment of Allen Weisselberg, CFO of the Trump Organization, is about "accountability." Since prosecutors are not ready to file charges against Hunter Biden or Nancy Pelosi, we can conclude that the crime Weisselberg is really being prosecuted for is working for Donald Trump.
-Okay, recently, during a rally, Hillary Clinton made a joking reference to Emailgate when she mentioned how she loved snapchat because her emails disappeared. Bill Clinton apparently thought upon hearing this that Hillary may have actually crossed a line this time around, since he yelled, and I quote, "Hillary is 'F***ing over the FBI! How stupid is that?" You can read more here: [http://wec.wnd.com/read/archive?id=372048&mid=2837815&e=otness%5fe%40mindspring%2ecom&x=ed2ffc76] Granted, it may be more the fact that Hillary may have just shot herself in the foot than any moral elements, but even still... [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 17:09, 9 October 2016 (EDT)
+The path this investigation took brings to mind a statement by Beria, one of Stalin's henchmen: "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime." Few people have been investigated more intensely or by more authorities than Trump. Comey's FBI investigated him during the 2016 campaign. Hillary put the legal vendetta in motion immediately after she lost the 2016 election. It's been going from one legal authority to the other every since. The FBI soon passed the baton to Robert Muller and Andrew Weissman. The feds couldn't make a case, so now the Manhattan DA is giving it a whack. That's not the way law enforcement is supposed to work. We have fifty states and many jurisdictions. Will they all investigate Trump one after the other?
-== The hypocrisy of the GOP establishment ==
+Vance's case started as an investigation into hush money paid to Stormy Daniels. When he realized that there was nothing illegal about payments of this type, he started looking at the tax status of fringe benefits paid by the Trump organization. This supposedly led him to evidence that Weisselberg kept two sets of books. Keeping a fraudulent set of accounting books is of course a serious offense. But the fact that this accusation comes up at the last minute gives us reason to be suspicious.
-*Just in: [http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-calls-for-debate-co-chairman-to-step-down/ar-BBxfreK?ocid the Republican co-chairman of the Presidential Commission on Debates is working against Trump].
+America hasn't sent prosecutors after former presidents before. But we can look to ancient Rome for a precedent. During the republic, Roman magistrates had immunity from prosecution during their term of office. After Milo's term as praeter (mayor of Rome) ended, he was put on trial. Milo employed Cicero as his lawyer, but Caesar's mob shouted Cicero down. Milo was convicted and exiled to Marseille. His supporters were anxious to get back at Caesar. When Caesar's own term as proconsul of Gaul ended, he feared a trial in which Cicero's rhetoric would be deployed against him. So he took his legions with him across the Rubicon, marched on Rome, and proclaimed himself dictator. Such was the end of the republic. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:43, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
-*Also, [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/us/politics/donald-trump-gop-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0 Paul Ryan will not campaign for Trump anymore].
-*Also, [http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/10/art-comeback-donald-trumps-debate-win-propels-him-white-house/ the debate moderators interrupted Trump 26 times - and only 12 times for Clinton].
-Even though Trump is the most conservative ''major'' candidate, the [[Establishment]] is clearly against him and going for socially liberal, globalist candidates like Gary Johnson and Evan McMullin. While what Trump has said recently really was terrible and stupid, if they really want conservative policies and avoid the leftist, globalist, and anti-Christian policies of HRC and her Supreme Court, they should get behind Trump.
+:The Stormy Daniels case originated with [[FISA abuse]]. In this case, the FBI shared the illegal surveillance product with the Manhattan DA.
-If the establishment ''really'' supported conservative principles, they would either [http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/if-it-s-really-about-conservative-purity-then-endorse-darrell-castle-or-shut-6001 support Trump or get behind the Constitution Party]. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 17:55, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
+:Once a judge slaps a gag-order on the proceedings, it effectively kills Trump's 2024 prospects. No one seems too concerned about the illegal leaks from the Manhattan DA's office.
-:The long knives are out. This attack by WaPo has many of the same characteristics as Romney's 47%. I believe the new twist is that a bipartisan group of Establishment-types, Bush loyalists, helped try to take him out. If you want to kill off the white Evangelic support for Trump, hit him with his own crude talk. It didn't work and the result has been to shine a giant spotlight on every seedy Clinton sexual episode. --Jpatt 20:59, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
+:[[DeSantis]] / [[Vernon Jones]] 2024. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 05:59, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::Felony cases take anywhere from 2 months to a year to complete.
-::The establishment is now against Trump because he is not one of them. The media is always against anybody who even leans conservative. I wonder how long that tape was sitting on their shelves. With all his flaws and with everything I'm concerned with him, I have much more faith in Trump to lead our country and fight to policies of Obama/Clinton than I would have with Romney. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 21:34, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
+::If Allen Weisselberg is guilty, the big question is whether or not he will hang tough or whether he will flip.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:53, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
-:::Agreed.  What Trump did was wrong, but if the 19 year age of that tape means nothing, than why do all the Clintons' offenses  all seem to "expire"?  Bill was having a constant adulterous affair in the white house, Hillary covered it up, and then someone "mysteriously" turned up dead.  Add to that the many other criminal acts, plus the many more deceptive ones and you get.... nothing? Of course, that means nothing, but how dare the evil, vile, bombastic, outrageous, insane, anti-everyone Trump say such a thing?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?  Sheesh people... --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 23:21, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
+:::That's a pretty simple question to answer: you threaten a 73 year-old man with 15 years in jail. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 09:59, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
-*McCain won the Arizona primary as a good Trump-supporting Republican.[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-mccain-arizona-primary_us_57c5cc5ee4b0664f13caf277] Now he walks it back.[http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/10/john-mccain-withdraws-support-of-donald-trump] Can we pull our McCain votes back? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:35, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
-==Breaking news==
+:::And it's not a question of "flipping" (you allow too much MSM to shape your outlook). It's a question of him agreeing to perjure himself, as in the case of Dr. [[Jerome Corsi]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:01, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
-Did you see the giant [https://youtube/YMKPCl8bqQs fly land on Hillary's face?] What attracts fly's? Is this an omen? or a harbinger of things to come? This is too good to pass up. Top five Google Trends all right now are on this. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 21:11, 10 October 2016 (EDT)
+::::Threats are only effective if they have teeth. What's the average prison time for an offense like this?
-:Maybe it was to see how many couldn't spell "flies". [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 01:04, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
+::::In addition, it's often hard for a 60+ year old man to find work. If Weiselberg hangs tough, he could be rehired by the Trump administration if his prison time is short. And if Biden totally screws up his presidency, there is the possibility that Trump could be reelected and pardon Weiselberg.
-::You have some colorful comments lately. Everything ok down under Alan? Has Hillary blamed the Russians for that fly? --Jpatt 09:52, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
+::::It would be a mistake to underestimate Donald Trump and the Trump Organization. Both have a reputation of toughness. Hillary Clinton made the mistake of underestimating Trump.
-:Good that you have noticed, John. Actually, those of us who thank God are thanking God for not giving us the blight of the US voting system.
+::::I think we are only in the second inning of this "ball game". [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:09, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
-:[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 01:32, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
+:::::Weiselberg is not the target, Trump is. A 15 year sentence with no room for negotiation is a death sentence to a 73 year old man. You seem to be under the mistaken perception you are dealing with honorable people in the Manhattan DA's office. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:03, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
-::Her [http://www.eutimes.net/2016/08/father-of-doctor-treating-hillary-clinton-for-dementia-mysteriously-dies/ subcortical vascular dementia] has turned her [http://allnewspipeline.com/Hillary_Clinton_Medical_Records_Released.php brainstem to Swiss cheese] and it's now attracting flies. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 13:51, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
-== Why I'll vote for Trump ==
+If NY state were to go after Donald Trump personally, it could be a Pyrrhic victory.  Conservative rich people could use it as another reason to move out of NY state. New York City is bleeding residents - especially wealthy residents. New York State is bleeding wealthy residents too.[https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/08/new-yorks-wealthiest-look-for-exits-as-state-readies-hefty-tax-increase-.html][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:22, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:“With the amount that they’ve charged, it is serious enough for prison time,” Jennifer Rodgers, a former federal prosecutor, told Yahoo News. Rodgers, now a lecturer at Columbia Law School and a CNN contributor, said that the charges against Weisselberg would “realistically put him in the neighborhood of two to four years.”
-I consider this to be a single issue election. That issue is: Do Muslims have a constitutional right to immigrate to the United States? The implication of Khan's speech to the DNC is that they do. As far as Democrats are concerned, the man's a saint and they are way past being able to think rationally about this.[http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/09/clinton-spokesman-to-trump-go-fuck-yourself/] Hillary has told us that she favors "open borders" and has called German Chancellor Angela Merkel Europe’s "greatest leader."[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/06/hillary-clinton-angela-merkel_n_5561210.html] In one case after another, U.S. citizens and police looked the other way while terrorism was being prepared because they feared being accused of "Islamophobia" or "profiling." Is there any Muslim country that the Hillaryistas want to move to? If not, perhaps they can understand why Trump supporters might not be thrilled about the idea of unlimited Muslim immigration. The Koran is clear: "all nations who should not have acknowledged [the Islamic] authorities were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them," as a Muslim ambassador told  Jefferson and Adams.[http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2015/01/08/thomas_jefferson_and_the_barbary_pirates]  [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:32, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
+:“It's not heavy time,” she said, “but he’s [73] years old.”[https://news.yahoo.com/allen-weisselberg-tax-fraud-case-what-to-know-about-the-charges-163215462.html]
-:Islam and actually having borders are very important issues, but there is much more at stake in this election than just that. If Clinton's elected, not only will we see the end of real border control and unrestricted, imprudent Muslim immigration, but with the Clinton Court, we will see the end of any religious freedom for Christians, as well as unrestricted abortion (HRC supports ending the [[Hyde Amendment]], btw [https://newrepublic.com/minutes/127886/hillary-clinton-wants-kill-hyde-amendment-yes-big-deal]) and even more "rights" for homosexuals and transgender people. Under Clinton, U.S. sovereignty in world affairs will decline even more (liberals love the EU; expect American liberals to follow suit) and America will likely become subservient to the Convention on the Rights of the Child and [[Agenda 21]] (depending on who is in control of Congress). For this [http://www.nationalreview.com/article/440898/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-focus-should-be-what-they-would-do-president and for many other reasons], I will vote for Trump in November. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 19:41, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
+:I realize that Allen Weiselberg is not some old school mafia guy (Old school mafia guys have a reputation of hanging tough and not flipping), but I predict Weiselberg will hang tough and not flip. He could be rehired by Trump at a hefty salary and could even be pardoned if Trump is reelected. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:47, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
-::Your second link is a great NR article that lays out the case for Trump very well. Sadly, Trump himself doesn't seem to be fully persuaded. Today's headline is that he is at last "unshackled."[http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-declares-war-on-gop-229593] He is happier attacking Ryan, Machado or whoever has his goat today than in making the case against Hillary. With a left-wing Supreme Court, a President Clinton could be even more powerful than Obama is. The left has a dream agenda, and it's been waiting for this moment. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:49, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
+::I just read the article [https://www.justsecurity.org/77312/allen-weisselbergs-post-indictment-strategic-considerations/ Allen Weisselberg’s Post-Indictment Strategic Considerations]. If Allen Weisselberg is guilty, he might flip.  Some other Weisselberg family members might be indicted for tax fraud. In addition, there is NY State's "Little RICO" laws. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:02, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
-:::Yes, unfortunately Trump is far from perfect. It might be wise for him to be more careful. However, criticizing the establishment may not be a completely bad thing. They are part of the problem, as they are oftentimes more concerned about winning the next election than instituting real conservative change. Many people are so fed up with the establishment that with Trump's attacks they will be even more motivated to vote for him. However, you are right: Trump needs to focus on Clinton and her problems, not get carried away by a petty feud. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:27, 11 October 2016 (EDT)
+:::Why? Why all of this? The object is to tie Trump up so that he cannot run in 2024. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:03, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
-::::I'll vote for Trump, though only because the alternative is Clinton, and I have absolutely no intention of letting her win the presidency, not after all the things she did. Besides, Trump's VP is staunchly pro-life, so I could use that as a reason as well. And hopefully Trump knows what he's doing regarding his being unshackled, because he still has one more debate to go (possibly two more if one counts the Boulder, Colorado debate on October 25th helmed by Free and Equal), and I'd hate to see him blow it when he's this close. I'm not entirely sure the Establishment were the only ones who had a problem, though. Even the newcoming Republicans who got elected such as Mark Rubio who got elected back in 2012 proved themselves to be RINOs anyways, and they were far from being the Establishment due to being newcomers. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 07:02, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
+::::"War is merely the continuation of politics with other means." - [[Carl von Clausewitz]]
-:::::Fair points. Trump (or Clinton) probably will not attend the Free and Equal debate. When I mentioned the establishment, I didn't necessarily mean just longtime incumbents, but any politician who supports the agenda of the establishment, including Rubio. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 17:34, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
-== Second debate post-mortem ==
+::::The legal system can also be the continuation of politics by other means.
-Trump was unprepared for the first debate, but the result was a wash. For the second debate, he clearly did prepare. Yet his poll numbers fell by a catastrophic four to five points. So what happened? If you know anything about Hillary's history, you know that the pity of the American people has been a major force driving her forward for many years. When everyone else had abandoned Bill, she came out swinging and shamed the leadership of the Democratic Party. Liberals thought, "Poor little Hillary has to the defend the president all by herself. Even though she is also a victim, she puts beating the evil Republicans first." And then there was the famous "crying jag" that helped put her over the top in New Hampshire. Trump's "You'd be in jail" comment must have resurrected the pity impulse. From a legalistic point of view, it is improper for a president to prejudge the result of a trial. So he should have said something more along lines of, "My attorney general will appoint a prosecutor who will make you miss Ken Starr." Bringing Gennifer Flowers along was also a mistake. The filmmaker Hillary blamed for Benghazi is a much better Clinton victim. More to the point, Trumps needs to focus on policy reasons why he'd be a better president, things like restricting immigration, stop-and-frisk, profiling, etc. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:46, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
+::::The whole court case could largely be the result of a lucky break the Democrats got as can be seen in these articles: [https://fortune.com/2021/07/04/weisselberg-divorce-trump-organization-probe-cfo-arrest/ ‘They were offering me nothing’: A fraught divorce sits at the center of Trump Organization probe and CFO arrest] and [https://heavy.com/news/jennifer-zarnowiec-weisselberg/ Jennifer Weisselberg, Allen Weisselberg’s Ex-Daughter-In-Law: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:05, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
-==Some article move requests==
+== MPR -- "Pro-Constitution" Group Stopped in MA ==
-There are some articles that I would like to move:
-*Every article concerning [[Creationism]], replacing the word "creationism" with "creation"
-**My reasoning here follows what Dr. [[Walt Brown]] writes in ''In the Beginning''. The reason for this is because "-isms" generally have a negative connotation to most people ("communism", "fascism", "nationalism", "scientism", etc.). "-isms" give the impression (oftentimes accurately) of simply being a belief system. However, creationism is substantiated with strong evidence, so a more appropriate term is necessary, like "creation". This is similar to "estate tax" vs [[death tax]].
-*Move [[Same-sex marriage]] to "Same-sex "marriage""
+The group that was stopped in Massachusetts armed to the hilt were NOT a pro-Constitution militia group, we should not be celebrating them. They are an Islamist group called the Rise of the Moors -- they are anti-Christian and think Muslims and Blacks have special rights in America (meaning more rights than Whites and Christians). Can we remove the story or change it to reflect this? The Lamestream Media are trying to portray them as right wingers because they are clearly woke, CRT, Muslims that they lost control of. --[[User:IScott|IScott]] ([[User talk:IScott|talk]]) 15:13, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
-**The Bible makes it clear that marriage between a man and a woman, and I don't think Conservapedia has bought into the [[homosexual agenda]]
+:[https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926A Only Democrat racists and the bigoted MSM would disallow law-abiding citizens their Constitutional rights, and use Islamophobic attacks to spread fear].  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:16, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:If this is indeed the case that they aren't pro-Constitution but a militant muslim group, we definitely need to remove those news items, lest we end up repeating that mistake we made with the Nazis by parroting leftist academics and news media's claims that they were right-wing after World War II (when in reality, they weren't even right-wing under the European definition, much less the American definition. Sure, they were technically to the right of, say, Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin, but then again, even Obama was to the right of Noam Chomsky, yet he was still far-left.). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 05:40, July 6, 2021 (EDT)
+::After reading the homo-bashing passages in Trotsky, I suspect he'd be canceled by today's left. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:34, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Hey, if you can supply a cite and a link, we could use that in several articles.  These revolutionaries today are really crazy, they want to remake the world in their own image. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:49, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Sorry, I read Troksky's ''History of the Russian Revolution'' a few years ago. But I can't bring the passage up now. He was making insinuations about some czarist banker or industrialist, if I remember rightly. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:23, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::I vaguely remember it, too.  Exposing the foibles of the rich was an effective way for communists to stir resentment and hatred. Of course nowadays the rich wear gayness as a badge of honor and a protected privilege. Perhaps some googling might bring something up. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 05:27, July 8, 2021 (EDT)
-*Also, would someone please respond to my edit request at the talk page on [[Double standard]]? Thanks! --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 17:34, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
+== Greg Abbott vs. Allen West ==
-:"Creation" implies the Biblical account, so we should move [[Biblical creation account]] to [[Creation]]. At present, the "creation" article gives the word an unfortunate multicultural spin. Creationism is a related, but different, thing. It's "the belief that God created all things out of nothing as described in the Bible and that therefore the theory of evolution is incorrect."[http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creationism] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:38, 12 October 2016 (EDT)
-::While "isms" do tend to have bad associations, I don't know what kind of confusion it might cause if we try replacing it with "creation".  Creationism refers to the concept or belief that everything was designed by an intelligent being (God), while creation is a noun which can be used in many ways, such as "this ship-in-a-bottle is my own creation" or "have you seen my creation?"  To swap the terms now might cause more harm than good.  Do you have thoughts on how to structure the statements so that ti could work?
+Thoughts?
-::The on Same-sex "marriage", I agree completely.  However, i don't know how likely someone is to search for same-sex "marriage".  This could be resolved using redirects, but I don't know if it is worth while for the page name.  I'm for it, but I don't know if it would be pointless. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 00:38, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::I understand your points. For both same-sex "marriage" and creationism, redirects would definitely be good. There actually is a redirect [[Same-sex "marriage"]] right now, and when I search, that is the term that shows up in the suggestions. As I obviously stated above, it would be nice if that redirect title became the title for the actual article.
-:::As for creationism, it is true that the theory/belief is commonly referred to as "creationism". I think that [[Young earth creationism]] should be moved to "Young earth creation", and possibly the same for the old earth view, even though it is more of a compromise/synthesis with the evolutionary pseudoscience. It might be a good idea to move some of the other articles that mention "creationism". If we would move these articles, the current titles should definitely be kept as redirects.
-:::If moving [[Creationism]] causes too many problems, I wouldn't mind leaving it, as long as some of the others are moved, but I would suggest moving it to something like "Creation (belief)" or "Creation (theory)", keeping the current title as a redirect. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:20, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::I guess that makes sense.  However, I don't have delete privileges, so I can't move these unless someone else deletes the redirects which already exist. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 23:26, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
+https://www.foxnews.com/politics/allen-west-texas-govern-gop-primary-challenge-greg-abbott
-:::::It is true that invented "-ism" words are often pejorative, but not always.  Some wonderful "-ism" words are ''activism'', ''altruism'', and ''capitalism''.  ''Creationism'' can attain that positive connotation.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 01:05, 14 October 2016 (EDT)
+--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 20:40, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
+:It's exciting.  I'd vote for [[Allen West]] over [[Greg Abbott]].  Abbott does the minimum of what he thinks he need do to mollify [[conservatives]].  More leadership than that is necessary today.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 20:45, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
-::::::True--I'm torn on the topic.  I've always figured that there are bigger fish to fry so I'd leave it alone.  And speaking of which, it probably doesn't matter, but the term ''capitalism'' isn't even all that friendly.  There is dispute whether Marx created the term (I personally doubt it), but it has been used in a purgative way for at least a century.  Even ignoring this, it implies the system is focused on the capitol.  For this reason, many people prefer the term "free market."  Anyway, it's a recognized word, and I'm not going to set out on a one-man conquest to swap the terms. Now I'm rabbit trailing...I probably shouldn't still be writing at this time of night. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 01:45, 14 October 2016 (EDT)
+:If West defeats Abbott (which will be hard, Abbott is highly popular especially among Hispanics as he's married to one), give the Governor's seat to the Democrats.  Most Texans will not support West in the general election and will sit it out (or less likely vote for a third-party candidate). Blacks aren't going to switch parties to vote for him.  [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 15:54, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
-*The encyclopedic meaning that readers are most likely to be looking up is not necessarily the same as the most common meaning. We should follow the lead of existing reference works. According to ''New Catholic Encyclopedia'', "creationism is an ideological stance adopted by the fundamentalist movement in opposition to evolutionary theories of life that favors a literal reading of the book of Genesis." Their "creation" article discusses Genesis 1.1-2.4a and related material. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:29, 14 October 2016 (EDT)
-::The quoted definition is poorly worded, and a bit biased.  Some prefer the term "creation science."  But here we need to use terminology that people are likely to look for.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 12:14, 14 October 2016 (EDT)
+== Environmentalists go to bat for China ==
-:::That's why redirects are necessary. I see the word "creationism" used a lot, but not "evolutionism", its grammatical equivalent. Of course there's [[creation science]], which is more fairly worded, but I still think the bias against creationism is seen in the wording. However, if everyone prefers the current naming scheme, that is OK; I won't fight it—nor is it ''that'' important. It just would be nice if we could set the terms ourselves rather than having the secular and liberal media do it for us. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 15:59, 14 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::I still think that [[Same-sex marriage]] should be moved to "Same-sex "marriage"", however. It would match the article intro and clearly show that we don't accept leftist vocabulary. If an admin would make this move, that would be great! --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:34, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::::I don't think as many people would find an entry on same-sex "marriage" with the unusual use of quotation marks.  While I wholeheartedly agree with the substance of your point, if no one sees entry then it might as well be deleted.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 00:11, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
+Environmentalists have new plan to save the world: Appease China. See "[https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/07/biden-china-climate-collapse-progressives-498588 Biden’s new Cold War with China will result in climate collapse, progressives warn]." According, to this plan, if we're nice to China, they'll reduce their carbon emissions for us. A list of environmentalist groups, including the Sunrise Movement and the Union of Concerned Scientists, “call on the Biden administration and all members of Congress to eschew the dominant antagonistic approach to U.S.-China relations and instead prioritize multilateralism, diplomacy, and cooperation with China to address the existential threat that is the climate crisis.”
-::::::I understand your point, but wouldn't redirects fix that problem? People would still be able to find the article and still see that leftist vocabulary is not final. Am I wrong? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:29, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
+This one is just so stupid, it's hard to know where to begin. What if the Chinese think, "With America run by a senile pushover, now is the time to invade Taiwan." If being the bad boy gets China better treatment, why would other countries follow the rules? I can only conclude that these groups are either on the take or have been fixed up with their own Fang-Fangs. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:47, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
+:Of all the modern commie front groups, the [[Sunrise Movement]] is one of the scariest. They target 12-year-olds to train tomorrow's Antifa stormtroopers and [[DSA]] activists. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 05:31, July 8, 2021 (EDT)
+:And many of their [[NEA]] teachers pushing [[CRT]] are their political commissars and recruiters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 05:34, July 8, 2021 (EDT)
+:[[Ocasio-Cortez]] comes out of the Sunrise Movement. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 05:36, July 8, 2021 (EDT)
-:::::::Redirects are useful, but not a perfect solution to this issue for several reasons.  Search engines may not recognize the redirects, for example, and when someone is redirected it may confuse or irritate them that the entry does not match what they typed in.  Clarity is preferable to confusion or irritation when seeking to persuade.  But thanks for your insightful comments, with which I agree as to substance.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:31, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
+==APS==
+*[https://therightscoop.com/whistleblower-reveals-albuquerque-public-schools-reading-list-is-almost-all-about-race-queerness-or-revisionist-american-history/ Albuquerque Public Schools reading list is almost all about race, queerness, or revisionist American history]. The good news is, Albuquerque Public Schools has about a 70% dropout rate, and none of them know how to read and write anyways. I think the race-baiting NEA uses this stuff as an incentive to get kids interested in reading by appealing to hate.  Incidentally, APS district is one of the largest in the United States. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:01, July 8, 2021 (EDT)
-::::::::I understand, and you're welcome. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 11:49, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
+==Haiti and Taiwan==
-:::::::::The primary purpose of a title is to tell the reader the name of the article's subject. The reader should be able to look up at the title and think either, "Yup, I'm at the right place" or "No, this is not what I am looking for." Redirects don't allow readers to do this. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 19:20, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
+[https://youtu.be/7G2AMYUUwxk A China angle in Haiti is now coming to surface]. What an eyeopener. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:24, July 10, 2021 (EDT)
-::::::::::Fair enough. If it makes more sense to keep the same titles, as you and Andy have persuasively argued, than I will accept it. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:45, 19 October 2016 (EDT)
+:I don't know. There's growing evidence of the gunmen having ties to both US law enforcement agencies and the Colombian military.[https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/haitians-awake-uncertainty-after-presidential-assassination-2021-07-08/][https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/american-arrested-haitian-presidents-killing-had-us-law-enforcement-ties-source-2021-07-12/][https://www.rt.com/usa/529039-assassination-haiti-informants-fbi/]--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 12:30, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::[https://therightscoop.com/report-the-us-navy-isnt-ready-for-war/ Did you see this?]  looks like RightScoop didn't do their due diligence.  Lt. Gen. Robert Schmidle is the father of Nicolas Schmidle, who wrote the b.s. story about Seal Team Six and killing of bin Laden for ''the New Yorker'', as well as its hit piece on the ''American Sniper'', [[Chris Kyle]].
+:::I totally destroyed Nicolaus Schmidle's credibility in Wikipedia's hit piece on Chris Kyle, and was even contacted by families of Seal Team Six with information on Robert Schmidle. Later they thanked me for destroying Nicolaus Schmidle's credibility as a reliable source for Wikipedia (not easy to do for an "award winning", mainstream publication).
+:::Put two and two together - October 2021 is the final timetable for the CCP's invasion of Taiwan. Schmidle says here, (through an alleged rightwing media source), the U.S. isn't ready. It's not beyond the Biden junta or the Deep State to make an overture to the CCP by whacking out Moise. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:38, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::For all we know, the invasion could come as early as later this month or as late as October 2025. I say this because CCP media stated in 2013 that the timetable is between 2020 and 2025, and due to weather patterns it can only attack in May, June, July, or October. So the window opened in May 2020 and will close in October 2025.[http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/six-wars-china-is-sure-to-fight-in-the-next-50-years/][http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/six-wars-china-is-sure-to-fight-in-the-next-50-years/]--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 17:32, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Now they're saying DEA was involved. Why DEA? Cause after the Church hearings (as noted here [[Frank Church]]), the DEA doesn't have to report back to Congress on any killings outside the US. The DEA has a pool of trained assassins. The CIA has to report book on killings, whether it was pre-planned or accidental to maintain operational security. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:19, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::There you have it, [https://apnews.com/article/china-3e4f399d1b37fc78f84ea549b09d5367 today's programmed news]. I guess the U.S. has no intention to defend Taiwan when it gets invaded this October. Kinda like the Sudeten Crisis in 1938. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:28, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
-== Liberals are pigs, hidden camera shows ==
+==Question About Cuba==
-At the time of the "hot mic" tape in 2005, Trump was a Hillary-supporting liberal Democratic.[http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/10/the_astonishingly_simple_explanation_for_the_trump_2005_video.html] It doesn't seem that things have improved among Hillary supporters: "[http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/12/james_okeefe_is_hillarys_campaign_more_of_a_locker_room_than_the_access_hollywood_bus.html James O'Keefe: Is Hillary's Campaign More Of A Locker Room Than The Access Hollywood Bus?]" "I think the bar of acceptable conduct on this campaign is pretty low," one staffer says. "They are not going to fire me, not for like grabbing Emma's ass twice," says another. Bill Maher likes to say that Trump, "raised the bar on lowering the bar." I'd say that Bill Clinton did this quite dramatically when he was president. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:02, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
+I thought a lot of the protestors are against the country's communist and authoritarian government. Am I wrong? [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 21:37, July 11, 2021 (EDT)
-== Anonymous' video on Bill Clinton ==
+:That is correct, the country's totalitarian fascist rulers and system, the same type of system being installed in the U.S. at the moment. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:14, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
-Hi.
+::I'm sorry to say, but isn't the majority of Fascism based on Far-Right cultural beliefs, instead of Leftist ones? [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 18:23, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
-I have a question regarding Anonymous' claims. If they have the video of Bill Clinton raping that 13 year old while he was president, why haven't they released it by now? If they claim they have the video, the very second they have the video, they'd make it public the exact same second they announced it exists. I would if I were in their situation. Not that I don't believe that Clinton's capable of doing that, considering how much he's proven to do everything else that was a moral travesty, but unless they actually release the video, we can't say that Anonymous is telling the truth. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 12:51, 14 October 2016 (EDT)
+:::No. The American right believes in freedom and liberty. Totalitarianism by whatever stripe is exclusively leftwing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:19, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
-:It does seem a little fishy.  And now that they have started this, all of Bill Clinton's opposition will look like fools if they fail to deliver.  I wouldn't be surprised if they try to make fools of all of us.  Anonymous seems generally liberal, but they also sometimes they take a libertarian stance, which is somewhat surprising. It's hard to say yet what they are up to, but if nothing else, their initial goal has been accomplished--everyone is talking about it, and them. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 13:04, 14 October 2016 (EDT)
+::::May you please cite a source for that? There have been totalitarian Leftists in the past, yes, but it isn't exclusively Left-Wing. An example of a Right-Wing totalitarian leader would be Hitler, and you can't deny nor disprove the existence of his Far-Right beliefs, after all. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 23:23, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
-::Timing. There are a lot of shoes to drop on each side yet. And you have to wait 3-4 days to monitor impact on polls. Plus the risk of a wildcard or some other foreign news dominating the news cycle when it's released. Early voting has started, however. It's like a came of poker, " I'll see your tax return allegations and raise you a sex tape".[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 14:25, 14 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::Rubbish, and you know it. This is the Michelle Obama "whitey" tape all over again. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 10:18, 15 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::There are a lot of shoes to drop yet. Putin is giving Wikileaks consistent drips of emails to damage her campaign. It not only effects voters but keeps pressure/dissension in the Clinton supporters/staff. It is classic Russian PSYOP (psychological warfare).  Putin is ex-KGB and he is not going along with Hillary's "Russian reset".
+:::::Hannah Arendt, who invented the term totalitarian, to explain the difficulty many people had explaining which side of the socialist coin they were on during WWII, and in the years following immediately afterwards. [https://memory.loc.gov/ammem/arendthtml/essayb1.html]  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:57, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
-::::The main questions left are: 1) How much change in public opinion will there be in this race which swings back a forth quite a bit.  2) How responsive are Trump voters to phone surveys. See: [http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/campaign/301220-you-cant-trust-polls-clintons-winning-but-our-polling-methods-are You can't trust polls: Clinton leads, but our polling methods are bunk].  The USA has never had a candidate like Trump and the political landscape is in transition right now in a significant way so making predictions is difficult. 3) Since the USA has separation of powers to a certain degree (Obama and the Supreme Court have acted in lawless ways), what is going to happen in the non-presidential races. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:29, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
+::::::While the term may have been coined in response to socialism, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is composed exclusively of Leftist Ideologies. In fact, both original and modern meanings describe it as some form of 'An autocratic form of government or political system that restricts political opposition to the state and controls public and private life.' This means that Right-Wing totalitarianism is INDEED possible and very real. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 00:32, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
-:::::Eh, me personally, I'd prefer releasing everything all at once, swarming everyone with the details. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 09:29, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::::Hillary 's a cold blooded killer with no conscience, do you need more details on that? And it's not encouraging when you have a lying POS like Tim Kaine who "opposes" capital punishment but whacked 11 people anyway for the fun of it, evidently.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 12:38, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::::::I don't personally need more details to come to that conclusion, but I know a whole lot of other people who clearly do need it, and swarming them with all the details available all at once would in fact force them to turn against Hillary. I know it would with me if I were a Hillary supporter. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 12:53, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::::::::[http://www.conservapedia.com/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton#Travelgate_.28a_primer_for_millenials.29 That's not how it works]. ''Deny deny deny then dismiss it as old news''. On the Anonymous video, that substance of it probably will not amount to anymore than [https://youtu.be/gEM7L42x2xc the anti-Zionist message they already released]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 18:13, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
-They want constant pressure. And more importantly, digestible news stories on specific issues. Also, they want to put pressure on specific people.  If they dumped it all at once, there would not be as an intense spotlight on particular people for a time. The Russians are old hands in terms of hard ball politics and fomenting instability/dissent/rebellion. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:59, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
-== Michelle Obama, liar ==
+:::::::No it doesn't. Not in American politics. That's a fanciful interpretation that may make sense in European classrooms (after years of Marxist indoctrination), but it is not what Hannah Arendt wrote about or discussed in the 1950s.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:44, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
-According to Michelle Obama, "the men in my life do not talk about women like this,” i.e. how Trump talked about women on the ''Access Hollywood'' tape. The media is hammering away at the claim that Trump was talking about assault. Trump says, "They let you do it," so this spin is clearly wrong. Trump's sins are foul language and celebrity privilege. Michelle really doesn't know anyone else like that? Hey Michelle, [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&action=edit&section=new meet Ted Kennedy], a crucial backer of Obama's 2008 presidential bid. [http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/10/14/they_do_this_to_every_republican_and_it_s_about_time_for_a_national_backlash Rush Limbaugh has other examples,] including a lewd video of Barack parading, uh, himself on the campaign jet. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:36, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
+::::::::Can you tell me the original meaning of Totalitarianism, then? [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 00:47, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
-:Trump has been one of America's best-known celebrities for thirty years. We all knew he was the "short-fingered vulgarian," but there were no sexual harassment or assault accusations until a week ago. The ''New York Times'' had two reporters investigate this issue during the primaries. The article they wrote has no incidents in it worth mentioning. You can't compare a stage performance to a private conversation. But Michelle brought Sasha to a Jay-Z/Beyoncé concert in Chicago in 2014.[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2706070/Michelle-Sasha-Obama-snapped-fans-selfie-Beyonce-Jay-Z-concert.html] If Jay-Z played "Party Life," she has definitely heard men talk about women this way before. Many have asked, "How can we explain support for Trump to our daughters?" I want to know how Michelle explained Beyoncé to her daughters. Historically, the first lady has tried to be above partisan politics. It's a new low to have her lead a smear campaign. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:31, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
-::I've actually heard that in private, HRC uses language just as filthy as Trump did in that tape. Politicians like to present themselves as perfect in all aspects, but if we were able to look into their private lives, we would be shocked at what we would see. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 21:23, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::Heard from what source? [[User:BrianKay|BrianKay]] ([[User talk:BrianKay|talk]]) 22:49, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::[https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/the-uncomfortable-truth-about-christian-support-for-trump This one]: "She’s also as personally repugnant as Trump is—read any behind-the-scenes account, from Bob Woodward’s books on the Clinton years to interviews with Secret Service agents, who universally despise her. Her temperament, which is even-keeled in public from years of practice, is explosive and profane behind closed doors." --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:27, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
-::You do have a good point about the Beyoncé/Jay-Z example. This is hypocrisy on the part of the leftists. A conservative-leaning politician (who wasn't even a politician at the time) cannot use this stupid language, but it is still OK for leftists and leftist "role-models" to use it. It is very unfortunate, but many people use this type of language and consider Beyoncé to be a role model. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:38, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::Michelle Obama can eat my shorts. It would be different if [https://youtu.be/ay015Y7bgQAf Michelle Obama actually ''was'' a woman.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 23:10, 16 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::Not what I'd call a reliable source. [[User:BrianKay|BrianKay]] ([[User talk:BrianKay|talk]]) 22:49, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::::The only way we'll know, is for "Michelle" Obama to release her original, long form birth certificate. Why hasn't 'she'? It's been eight years now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 14:22, 18 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::*[http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2016-10-12.html#read_more Ann Coulter makes some excellent points], as usual. When Trump talked about grabbing a woman by the genitals, it was a vulgar metaphor for how much he could get away with as a celebrity. It's the sexual equivalent of "stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody." The media reacted as if he actually went around grabbing women this way. Meanwhile, sexual assault machines like Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy get a pass. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 12:09, 17 October 2016 (EDT)
-== "I'll keep you in suspense" ==
+:::::::::Well, after the Second World War, the communists were strutting victoriously, and many ex-Nazis were trying to rehab themselves (especially in the Eastern bloc, but in the West, too. Vichy France had a big problem).  But many had problems embracing the victorious ideology, as well, at least in territories where free thought and free expression was allowed (i.e. right-wing ideas, by American standards). Hannah Arndt explained that one did not have to embrace the other variant of socialism, which shared the same evil characteristics. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:28, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
-I remember when I was involved in politics. Democrats would ask, "Will you accept the result of the election if you lose?" It was often the only question they were interested in. I would say, "I have no idea. I plan to win." That always got quite a response, like they weren't expecting anything like that. Did they assumed I had a secret plan to lose? My advise to Trump: It's bad strategy to talk about losing. Period. Gore still insists that he won the 2000 election -- and no Democrat would dare to tell him that it's time to get over it. See "[http://hotair.com/archives/2016/10/20/last-week-hillary-agreed-gore-won-2000-election/ Last Week Hillary Agreed Gore 'Won' 2000 Election]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:25, 20 October 2016 (EDT)
+::::::::::In which page of the essay is this stated? I want to check. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 12:47, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
-:Let's hope he actually wins this election. We're already in a rut as it is under Obama, and we've already got a taste of what a Hillary presidency will be like under both Obama and Bill Clinton. We cannot afford to have Hillary win. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 11:06, 20 October 2016 (EDT)
-::Well, everyone knows the selection of Hillary as nominee was rigged, as the firing of Wasserman-Schultz openly admitted. If she wins the general, there is no possible way to say her victory was not rigged. Further, the FBI whitewash of emails destroyed the American peoples confidence in government, not Trump saying her election is rigged.
-::What we 're seeing is ''Clintonism'' taking root, and she hasn't even been elected or sworn in yet.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 19:51, 20 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::Trump's performance earlier in the debate was outstanding, far better than in other debates. But then he fell for this old gag at the very end. Guess what today's headlines are about? They're about what Trump will do if he loses. They make it sound like he already lost. What's more, they make him sound self centered, even though the question he was responding to was specifically about him. Say one word about losing and that's what happens. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:00, 20 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::To be honest, if Clinton gets a victory, that as well as Obama cheating in 2012 by stuffing the Ballot Box would probably be grounds for trying to make sure that we get an amendment passed that makes it a national requirement for Voter ID, specifically to ensure that the Democrats can't ever use that tactic again. And while we're at it, we might need biometrics for any future voting cycle that locks anyone out who casts a ballot for the remainder of the election cycle until the next time the elections come up, specifically to ensure they can't just do repeat votes under a different identity. Let's just hope it doesn't have to come to a Clinton victory. Even if Trump wins, however, we really need to make sure that what happened back in 2012 never happens again. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 20:52, 20 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::The thing is, in this race, I don't think Hillary needs to cheat.  Trump is going to get hammered. The problem isn't that the election is going to be rigged. The problem is that Trump is a terrible candidate.  He's crude, he's offensive,  his campaign has no organization, his mouth has not filter, and he's willing to embrace the most racist and offensive parts of the alt-right.  The lesson to take away from this election is that the Republicans have to actually nominate a conservative candidate instead of a RIM like Trump.--[[User:Whizkid|Whizkid]] ([[User talk:Whizkid|talk]]) 22:50, 20 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::::Don't be too sure about that. I heard he actually did pretty well among reviews regarding the debates. Plus, if he was a horrible candidate, why choose him over other candidates? It's clear the people chose Trump. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 23:31, 20 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::::During Obama's first term, ACORN was the focus of Democratic election rigging efforts. Now they have Bob Creamer doing it. There's a school in Chicago called the Midwest Academy where you can receive training in dirty politics.[http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/441270/alinskyite-tactics-robert-creamer-and-us-project-veritas]<br/> As far as who's winning, the polls are all over the map at this point. The media was able to bias the debate moderators against Trump by bashing Matt Lauer's performance. Why wouldn't they try to do the same thing with the pollsters? The ''New York Times'' ran an unusual article bashing a poll by the ''LA Times'' the shows Trump ahead.[http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/] "Skewing" turned out to be a fallacy in 2012, but the meme may have given pollsters the idea to do it for real this time around. Trump's rallies are enormously larger than Hillary's. That's hard to square with the claim that Hillary is really 11 points ahead, as the media's favorite poll currently indicates. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:40, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::::::Speaking about the media, [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/21/at-charity-roast-donald-trump-delivered-what-might-as-well-be-a-campaign-eulogy/ this] has got to be the most biased article I have every seen (unless I'm mistaken). They've been doing this for a while now. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 08:25, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::::::: "The polls are all over the map." Um, no they are not. The *vast* majority of polls show HRC ahead, most by quite large margins. There are occasional polls showing a closer race, but the overall polling average makes it abundantly clear that Trump is losing very badly. Your claim is akin to someone's saying that, since some smokers are healthy, the data on whether smoking is bad for you is "all over the map." We often correctly draw generalizations when the facts are overwhelmingly on one side. The conclusion that Trump is getting crushed is such a reasonable generalization. [[User:Mmmmmkaaaaay|Mmmmmkaaaaay]] 1:21, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::::::::This is what the sports people call "trash talk." From the very beginning of this election cycle until now, the media has been telling us loudly and almost continuously that Trump's a loser and just about to fade away. I don't have a crystal ball and even a broken clock is right twice a day. But I can tell you that this meme is just a tactic. Here's Creamer, the White House's favorite Alinskyite election fixer: "In general our strategic goal with people who have become conservative activists is not to convert them—that isn’t going to happen. It is to demoralize them—to ‘deactivate’ them....We need to make them feel that they are not mainstream, to make them feel isolated."[http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/441270/alinskyite-tactics-robert-creamer-and-us-project-veritas] The media complains that Trump is a threat to democracy. What bigger threat to democracy is there than to tell people that the election has been decided before they vote? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:15, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::::Whizkid, which candidate would you prefer to Trump? I just checked, and every conservative candidate, like Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee, Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Ben Carson and several others endorsed Trump. The RINOs, like Kasich and Bush have not endorsed him. Trump is clearly not a perfect candidate, but I have more faith in him to make conservative decisions than Bush and Kasich, and the people that I have more faith in than Trump are behind Trump. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 08:25, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::::As an out-and-out populist who is more than happy to pander to some of the worst, most atavistic instincts of the American electorate, Donald J. Trump deserves every last bit of the electoral kicking he's about to receive. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 19:28, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::::::Look, JohnZ, Trump's not my ideal candidate either. In fact, if anything, during the primaries I voted for Ben Carson. However, if given a choice between Trump and Clinton, I'd choose Trump any day, especially now that he's got a pro-life VP and has made promises to undo Roe v. Wade and make sure conservative pro-life justices are put on the Supreme Court. I'm not sure what you're exact politics are, but at this point, anyone would be better than Clinton. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 19:56, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::::::I agree, and just for the record, I too did not vote for Trump in the primaries (I voted for Cruz). On the issues, Trump has been strongly conservative, even if he is not the ideal candidate or leader. I honestly have more faith in him than in a RINO like Romney of Kasich. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 20:05, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
-:::::::::[http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all Read this]. It's pretty much all you need to know about the abject cretin you currently think is fit to serve as President. You can thank me tomorrow. Good night. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 20:17, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::::::::Either way, Trump's still our one shot against Hillary Clinton getting the presidency, even you have to agree there. And like I said, I don't think he's my ideal candidate either, but I'm being pragmatic. What's worse? A guy with an ego who has occasionally made politically incorrect statements and some things that were shameful, or a woman who orchestrated several foreign policy disasters as well as so many scandals that her eight years as FLOTUS alone would outclass the worst of the Coolidge and Nixon scandals, and who is still mired in criminal charges even now? I'd say the latter's worse. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 20:35, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
-::::::::::''[[The New Yorker]]'' article cited above did not persuade me of anything anti-Trump.  It shows how generous [[Trump]] is (splitting the profits 50/50 on the book that he made so famous), and how much he welcomes criticism (lavishly praising a negative article about him).  The ''New Yorker'' article did convince me that the magazine does not know what a "ghostwriter" is.  If someone has a byline then he's not a "ghostwriter".--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:00, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
+:::::::::After the defeat of the National Socialist pandemic, the Delta variant of Soviet communism raised its ugly head. Hannah Arendt explained it was not a victorious alternative, it was the same ugly disease of totalitarianism. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:49, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
-== Poll roundup ==
+::::That claim doesn't make much sense when you think about it, as there is plenty of anarchist and freedom-based Leftist Ideologies. Examples include Anarcho-Communism, Anarcha-Feminism, and Green Anarchism. Please note that these aren't the only Free Leftist Ideologies, nor that all Free Leftist Ideologies are Anarchist. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 13:48, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::In the immediate postwar, there were survivors from both sides. The victorious Communists lorded themselves over the defeated Nazis. Arendt reminded people that there was a third way, and the choice was not communism vs. nazism. That communism and nazism were two sides of the same coin - totalitarianism. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:13, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::Wouldn't that mean that Right-Wing Totalitarianism is possible, even in the original meaning of the term? The Nazis may have called themselves socialist, but that they weren't, as Hitler killed the actual socialists in the party once he got into power. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 14:31, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::Kennedy biographer Arthur Schlesinger says the Nazis, who were genuine revolutionaries, were not "assigned" to the right until 1948, cause they couldn't figure out where to put them otherwise. ''[http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/schlesinger-notrightleft.html Not Right, Not Left, But a Vital Center]''. This pre-dates Arendt and the Korean War by 3 years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:47, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::What? [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 16:04, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Totalitarian is a uniquely and distinctly Cold War term. It did not exist prior to 1951. It was censored in the 'Communist East', but in West Germany, the United States, the UK and elsewhere many people felt sympathy for Communism. War time propaganda told people that Communism was a form of democracy. When the Korean War started, fighting communism created confusion. So Totalitarianism explained that there was no difference between Communism and Nazism in their suppression of democratic rights. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:32, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::But Nazism is Far-Right, no? If Communism is the same as Nazism when it comes to totalitarianism, that would mean that both the Far-Left and the Far-Right can be Totalitarian. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 16:10, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::As a kid in the 1960s, we used to joke about the term, after learning about the WWII and hearing all the old war stories. We used to deliberately mispronounce it, total-it-ar-ian-ism rather than To-tal-it-arianism, to tell our teachers the crap they were feeding us didn't make any sense. "You mean people were lied to during WWII by [[OWI|New Deal propagandists?]]" [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:42, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::Are you replying to me? The formatting is quite confusing. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 14:56, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::Yah. It saves space. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:25, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::Can't you just format it normally? It's confusing this way. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 15:41, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::"[https://books.google.com/books?id=CVqTXJjmtmUC&pg=PA340&lpg=PA340&dq=Harry+and+Uncle+Joe+got+on+like+a+house+afire%E2%80%8B.&source=bl&ots=0ft_EvOX88&sig=ACfU3U12KrZjIiaVgCeRD5eaq4cDk0ByZw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjpodLn4-DxAhX7MVkFHRhSDnEQ6AEwCHoECC8QAw#v=onepage&q=Harry%20and%20Uncle%20Joe%20got%20on%20like%20a%20house%20afire%E2%80%8B.&f=false Harry and Uncle Joe got on like a house afire]."  5 years later Uncle Joe was killing Americans in Korea. So there was some 'splaining to do. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:30, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::What does that have to do with anything? [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 15:41, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::In America, World War II propagandists, beginning with FDR, claimed that Communism was democratic. Soldiers enlisted to secure "the right of self-determination of peoples".  Imagine their shock, like no WMD in Iraq, when people realized they had been lied to. This explains [[McCarthyism]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:52, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::What does that have to do with anything? [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 16:04, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::People speak of the Greatest Generation in glowing terms today. The truth is, by 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, those veterans, and their parents and sisters who worked in arms factories, suffered many sacrifices and privations, became very disillusioned. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:58, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::What does that have to do with anything? [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 16:04, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::The meaning and definition of Totalitarian. The World War II generation had been lied to about Communism.  They felt they had risked their lives for nothing. So a new enemy had to be invented - totalitarianism - which was nothing more than the same old enemy, communism and nazism.
+:::::::IOWs, they had to transfer all the hatred and fear they had for Nazism over to their former allies, Communism, and realize both as twin evils. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:13, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::Like I said earlier, if Nazism and Communism are two sides of the same coin, wouldn't that mean that Right-Wing Totalitarianism IS possible? [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 17:13, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::No. At least not in any American sense. The American right believes in God and human rights - that what conservativism is. Even the European-based right originally believed in God. I have no idea what it is today. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:31, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::Sure, but Christianism (Or any kind of religion) isn't exclusive to the Right. This is demonstrated by Religious, but culturally Leftist Ideologies, such as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Christianity Progressive Chritianity]. Conservatism isn't exclusive to the Right, as well. Take [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_conservatism Progressive Conservatism] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_conservatism Liberal Conservatism] into account, for example.
+::::::::::I would also like to know what you mean by 'Human Rights.' Wanting equality for everybody, regardless of trivial factors such as Gender, Race, and, Sexuality sounds pretty Pro-Rights to me. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 18:25, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::Okay, I'll try to clarify for you. There is God and Satan, good and evil, love and hate, right and left. Is that simple enough for you? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:09, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::This may come off as a surprise, but the world isn't Black & White. There are good and bad parts of the Right, much like how there are good and bad parts of the Left. There is also overlap between the two sides, as such, saying that all that is bad is the Left's fault and that all that is good comes from the Right is Foolish and Ignorant. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 20:29, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::Well, that's the problem when you're dealing with theories, they may or may not be true. Or maybe only half true. And that's what the Political Spectrum theory is, only a theory. Unfortunately, in real life, we need more concrete information to stand on.  So why do we teach children these garbage theories in schools? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:42, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::I do not understand, nor do I want to engage. This has gone on for way too long. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 22:57, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::::God bless you. Have a nice day. :) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:23, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::::Thank you. Perhaps we can continue this debate at another time. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 11:51, July 14, 2021 (EDT)
+==Vaccine police==
+Robert Barnes has a good answer for when the vaccine police come to inspect your papers. Tell them you identify as vaccinated. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 03:30, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
+:Could you please come up with another joke? Repeating the same one isn't going to give it hilarity. At this point, you might as well identify as not funny. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 18:12, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
+:Feel free to ban me, as well. I know you like smothering out opposing opinions, much like those "Darned Liberals."[[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 18:12, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
+::It's not a joke. And I'm on solid legal ground. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:22, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
+:::I wasn't talking about this supposed Vaccine Police. I was talking about the repeated-to-death transphobic joke of 'I identify as Blank, now give me the right of/to Blank.' Now may you please show me what legal ground you stand on? [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 23:18, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
+::::In front of a woke cop or judge, I'll make my argument. In front of a normal person, cop, or court of law, I need not explain. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:03, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Basically, my legal grounds are based on science. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:13, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Can you cite your sources, then? [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 00:20, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::The same sources that say a man with a penis is a woman. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:46, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::I asked for citations, not exclamations. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 00:50, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::By some scientific fact or will of God, a man born with a penis can will himself into being a woman, you know, kinda like Rudolph Hess trying to bend a spoon or move a chair by force of his will, or Hitler defeating Russian tanks bearing down on him by the strength of his will. This is modern science, after all. Get with the program. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:55, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::I am not attempting to deny nor agree with your statements. I am simply asking you to cite specific sources, so you can cement the credibility of your statements. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 01:11, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::I dunno; read this garbage and tell me if it makes any sense to you. [https://slate.com/technology/2021/03/transphobes-science-trap-basic-human-rights.html] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:18, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::Please, just cite your sources already. [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 01:26, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::Google it. There's plenty of crap there. Better yet, go to Rationalwiki, they claim to be experts in sorting out facts from truth. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:31, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::Even Biden's with me, "We choose truth over facts." I'd rather be morally right than factually corrrect. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:32, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::Now, you may want to waste years of your life waiting for Amy Coney Barrett to decide if an adult male can expose himself to a 6-year-old girl at the Wu Spa in L.A. or if I can be tossed off an airplane for identifying as vaccinated, but that's your business. In America, people have the God given right to be stupid. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:27, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
+:::What does that have to do with anything? [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 23:18, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Amy Coney Barrett will ultimately decide if a man who identifies as a woman can expose himself in front of a 6-year-old girl legally in the State of California, City of Los Angeles, no matter what laws communists pass. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:03, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Again, what does that have to do with anything? [[User:ArticleNeedsCitation|ArticleNeedsCitation]] ([[User talk:ArticleNeedsCitation|talk]]) 00:20, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::We're just waiting for the right test case. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:46, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:Fauci is horrified whenever he sees someone who's not paying vaccine royalities: "[https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2021/07/11/fauci-its-horrifying-to-see-people-at-cpac-cheer-the-government-missing-its-vaccination-targets-n401599 Fauci: "It's horrifying" to see people at CPAC cheer the government missing its vaccination targets]." Hurry! If Bill Gates loses money, he won't be able to finance another scam-demic! The other virus Baric and Shi were engineering is Ebola, so that could be next. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 08:23, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
+::In the Pantheon of history, Lord Fauci is already remembered for his statement, "I am the way, the truth, and the life."  What more needs to be said?  Why does he bother to keep talking?  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:58, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+== Trump wins CPAC straw poll ==
+I can't believe this isn't on MPR already: "[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-easily-wins-cpac-2024-gop-presidential-nomination-straw-poll Trump easily wins CPAC 2024 GOP presidential nomination straw poll]." Trump got 70 percent and Ron DeSantis 21. No one else broke 1 percent. ''[https://spectator.org/ron-desantis-60-minutes/ American Spectator]'' is certainly pumping up DeSantis. A Trump whose focus is proving that he "won" is 2020 sounds like a nightmare candidate. Of course, its still early. Traditionally, this kind of thing gets straightened out soon after the midterm. Gore in 2000 and Hillary 2016 were also consumed by the need to reverse lost elections. But neither of them ever ran for anything again. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:27, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
+:In order for Donald Trump to win in 2024, Joe Biden is going to either have to badly screw things up or mentally decline to such a degree that he is unelectable. In addition, Trump has to dodge the NY State prosecutor bullet. I think it is 50/50 at least that Donald Trump could win in 2024. Stress significantly hastens the progression of Alzheimer's Disease[https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/08/060830005837.htm] and the presidency is a stressful job. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:24, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::Stress may accelerate dementia too.[https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2012/06/29/could-stress-lead-to-dementia-yes-but-read-this-before-you-panic/?sh=2799864c6f02] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:26, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Actually, I have no idea what is going to happen to the Biden/Harris presidency, Biden's health or the NY State case against the Trump Organization. On top of this, there could be a variant of coronavirus that the current vaccines can't handle.  So many things could happen before 2024. It's sad that the Democrats didn't pick someone better than Biden/Harris. They have further descended down the slope of decline since the days of Truman/Kennedy. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:47, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::You see Biden running again? Really, he's way too old. If he does run again, the Harris faction of the party won't be shy about saying so. See "[https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/03/29/joe-biden-zero-chance-run-for-reelection-2024-column/7036849002/ There's zero chance Joe Biden will run in 2024. Why didn't he dodge the question?]" The mainstream media was long a center of Harris worship. But they have recently started running stories that tentatively admit that Harris does in fact have certain weaknesses. So perhaps the Dems are thinking of running someone else.
+:::::No, I see Biden either stepping down one day after two years, thus setting things up for Harris to finish his term.  Very rarely (and not any in recent years) do you see a serious primary challenge in the party of the incumbent.  This would give her ten years to destroy America.  Can we please have the Second Coming now? [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 15:48, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+::::At this point, I'd say Harris is still the frontrunner for the 2024 nomination. She can clear out the other Dems the way Hillary did in 2016. Damn two party system. We need nonpartisan primaries with the top two vote getters going on to the general election. Highly unpopular candidates like Hillary or Harris could never game their way to the top under those rules.
+::::Harris is a sure loser as far as the general election goes. The polls suggest that she couldn't even beat Trump, never mind DeSantis. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:57, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::The knives are already out for Kamala. And Biden may not make it til 2024. And there's enough ambitious up and comers in the Democrat party. Gerry Ford barely served two years, and still got to build a presidential library. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:49, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Personally, I think Tulsi Gabbard will stomp all of them in the 2024 primaries, Liz, Bernie, Kamala, Bootyboy, etc etc. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup>
+:::::Bottomline: 2024 is an open seat, much as 1948, 1968, and 1976 were. There is no legitimate incumbent (neither Truman nor Ford were elected to the presidency, and LBJ dropped out at the last minute).  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:34, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::The Dems stole the House through fraud in 2018, the presidency in 2020, and the Senate in 2021. The big question now is preventing Democrat fraud in 2022. If it cannot be done, that will be the last election in a formerly free republic. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:38, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Biden reminds me of the character Titurel in Wagner's ''Parsifal''.  He's so old and decrepit, unable to perform the duties of the king of Grail Knights, they already have him [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGTh77P_YKU&t=4895s boxed up in the grave before he's dead.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:12, July 14, 2021 (EDT)
+::::BTW, anybody know anybody who can do good animated memes? I want to [https://youtu.be/EnvD3HcHzx0 plaster Joe and Hunter Biden's faces] on [[Kim Il Sung]] and [[Kim Jong Il]]'s face in this opening clip. It even has the international socialist [[Rose (symbolism)|Red rose (symbolism)]].  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:32, July 14, 2021 (EDT)
+== Beware, those who worship false idols... ==
+[https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/mural-honoring-george-floyd-toledo-ohio-destroyed-lightning-strike/ Mural Honoring George Floyd in Toledo, Ohio Destroyed by Lightning Strike]
+[[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 03:52, July 14, 2021 (EDT)
+== Who shot Ashli Babbitt? ==
+Like Vicky Weaver, Ashli Babbitt was shot for being white. [https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/07/07/naming_the_capitol_cop_who_killed_jan_6_rioter_ashli_babbitt_779601.html This July 7 article by Paul Sperry] claims that Capitol Police Lt. [[Mike Byrd]] shot Babbitt. If so, that would seem to be quite a scandal. Byrd has been accused of violating firearms safety rules on several occasions. For example, he was, "investigated for leaving his department-issued Glock-22 firearm unattended in a Capitol restroom." He must have been protected from dismissal by someone powerful, possibly Chuck Schumer.
+[https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/the-deeply-racist-dimensions-to-ashli-babbitts-martyrdom The response of the liberal media] is not so much to defend Byrd as to warn us not to finger a black man for fear of a racial backlash. When Republicans retake Congress, the first thing they need to do is to install a statue of Babbitt (after prosecuting Byrd for her murder, of course.)
+In short, Mike Byrd is the new [[Eric Ciaramella]], a guy in the center of the news whose name decent people are not allowed to say. I'm old enough to remember when journalists supported the First Amendment and boasted of revealing news, not of their role in keeping important stories from the public. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:18, July 14, 2021 (EDT)
+:What's happened under our noses is, the [[Capitol Police]] just received more funding (without a vote) than the $1.9 billion the American people recieved with their $2000 stimulus checks and unemployment insurance. Why? cause, first, [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/youtuber-detained-after-defecating-in-nancy-pelosis-driveway-during-livestream some guy took a crap on Pelosi's driveway] in San Fransisco, and second, the FBI, in collusion with Antifa [[black bloc]] and the USCP, assaulted the Capitol building last January to force this expansion of a non-[[Executive Branch]] police force. Now [[Cuck Schumer]] and Nancy Pelosi can monitor their enemies with [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jul/10/capitol-police-use-army-surveillance-system-americ/ the same technology] we used in [https://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f167/army-camera-catches-afghan-men-having-sex-goat-135250/ Afghanistan to monitor the Taliban]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:54, July 14, 2021 (EDT)
+==Psaki==
+[https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4819961/user-clip-hunter-biden-ukraine-joe-biden-conflict-interest-13-2014 There you have it.] Now we know how Psaki got the job. We've linked her directly to the [[Biden-Burisma]] coverup. See this clip from a May 2014 State Department press conference. "we certainly wouldn't put them in the same category," i.e. Hunter and Joe Biden in the same category with corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs and cronies.
+And here I thought all along she got the job after her softball question, "What's your favorite ice cream flavor?"  She's in up to her eyeballs, not that she's necessarily on the payroll, but it's fairly obvious now her loyalty is to the party and the Biden family, and not the U.S. government or the American people. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:16, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+== A big red wave is rolling towards the 2022 midterm elections in the USA ==
+[[File:Red-wave-election.jpg|600px|thumbnail|right|[[Progressivism|Progressive]] [[Democrats]] love: [[Defund the Police|defunding the police]]; the "mostly peaceful protests" that include a lot of rioting and looting; blaming soaring murder rates on guns rather than criminals; [[inflation]]ary economic policies; [[open borders]]; [[critical race theory]]; and talking about packing the U.S. Supreme Court.
+<br />
+<br />
+The Democrats' leader, [[Joe Biden]], is a [[Joe Biden|corrupt, old man with very noticeable cognitive decline]] and his side kick [[Kamala Harris]] is an [[Kamala Harris|incompetent and unlikeable Vice-President]] who runs a toxic work environment in her office.
+<br />
+<br />
+Political scientist Rachel Bitecofer correctly predicted a "[[blue wave]]" in 2018. She is now "sounding the alarm" about a [[red wave]] in 2022.
+<br />
+<br />
+[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbm_bhoEnXM The Republicans CRUSH Democrats in the special elections that were held in July of 2021.]
+<br />
+<br />
+Behold, the big red wave that is rolling towards the 2022 midterm [[U.S. Congress]]ional elections in the USA! It is unstoppable. Hallelujah!]]
+A big [[red wave]] is rolling towards the 2022 midterm elections in the USA. It is unstoppable! Hallelujah! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:48, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:It's all predicated on faith in the integrity of American elections, which unfortunately has been shattered for many people. We heard this same stuff in 2018 and 2020. And that's why we call it the [[Biden junta]].
+:The job is before us here, and now, and not in some clouded future. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:02, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+You need to pay attention to things like this:
+:''From the outset in October 2020 everything around the “plot to kidnap” Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer seemed sketchy, almost silly.   The goofy similarities and suspicions were familiar to those who remembered the sketchy October 2018 “mail bombing plot” that involved [[Cesar Sayoc]].....Yes, you read that correctly, 12 FBI ‘informants‘ amid a group that had six arrests.'' [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/07/13/12-fbi-operatives-involved-in-gretchen-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-that-ended-with-six-arrests/]
+Or this:
+:''Rank and Vile – Stunning Inspector General Report Shows FBI Facilitating Predator Coach Larry Nassar Rape of U.S. Gymnasts – Worse, The FBI Lied to Investigators and Then The DOJ Refused to Prosecute.'' [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/07/14/rank-and-vile-stunning-inspector-general-report-shows-fbi-facilitating-predator-coach-larry-nassar-rape-of-u-s-gymnasts-worse-the-fbi-lied-to-investigators-and-then-the-doj-refused-to-prosecute/]
+Time to wake up to what is really going on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:10, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:Had the FBI and DOJ released the declassified documents on Muellergate as they were ordered to by the President of the United States in 2018, there would not have been a "blue wave" in 2018.  So your source, Rachel Bitecofer doesn't have clue what she's talking about, or else she's just another commie propagandist if she didn't address these issues. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:17, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+The main issue in American politics today is the role the [[intelligence community]] is playing in domestic politics. Period. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:20, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+::The GOP is passing voter integrity laws in many states.  Joe Manchin is stopping the Democrats from making big changes in election laws that favor Democrats.
+::A massive and unstoppable red wave is heading towards the midterm elections in 2022.
+::Democrats, it's all over with the fireworks kids! Game over! Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.00.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:43, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:The House Oversight Committee just opened an attack on the [[Arizona audit]]. The fight is here and now, not 18 months from now. You're luring people into a false sense of security and sleep.  You need to educate readers on [https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/2021-07-14.CBM%20JR%20to%20Logan-Cyber%20Ninjas%20re%20Arizona%20Election%20Audit.pdf the issues in this 4 page letter.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:12, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:::The Arizona audit might be merely the first domino to fall in the slew of state election audits to come.  A cascade of election audits might follow after the Arizona audit. Red wave 2022! It's coming! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:46, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+::This stuff isn't random, there is a strategy. [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/07/14/house-democrats-launch-investigation-into-maricopa-county-audit/]  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:06, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+::And there is a counter-strategy, which Biden kicked off two days ago in Philadelphia. People need instruction on how to meet this massive counterattack. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:09, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+::What I'm sayin is, when you're sitting on your own 35-yard line, you don't start doing an end zone dance. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:30, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:::I am just a humble GOP fan watching from the sidelines. When I see my team racking up points, sometimes I cheer (I don't think the GOP is a great political party, so I am not a huge fan of the GOP. They are by far the lesser of two evils though. Both parties - the GOP and the Democrats - spend too much money and it is often spent on foolish things). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:41, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+::::There wasn't a lot to cheer about in 2021. The captain of the GOP team, Donald Trump, fumbled the coronavirus ball in 2020 by downplaying the pandemic. Paradoxically, Joe Biden needs Trump to rally Americans to get vaccinated, but he is not giving Trump sufficient credit for the vaccine development and the vaccination drive he initiated. So he is not getting Trump's cooperation (Whether he could get Trump's cooperation is a whole different matter.) See: [[Essay: Joe Biden may have to become more bipartisan to get Republicans to rally behind Covid-19 vaccination in order to get to herd immunity in the USA]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:49, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:::It's not a time to sit on the sidelines, or even worry about the GOP. It's time to confront the Communists trying to overthrow our civilization and destroy our electoral process '''''before''''' November 2022 rolls around. You can't wait on hope, you must take action now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:21, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:::For example, [https://youtu.be/M6PQQaSuAMk?t=214 Nick Rekieta lays out one specific issue we need to address and educate people on]. While the fraud uncovered in Arizona and Georgia may not affect Biden's job, it can affect 3 Democrat Senators' jobs. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:36, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+::::"Republicans Outraise Democrats in Second Quarter ahead of 2022 Midterms".[https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/republicans-outraise-democrats-in-second-quarter-ahead-of-2022-midterms/]
+::::"The National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) announced this morning that it had raised a record-breaking $45.4 million in the second quarter of the year, more than $20 million of which the group raised in June alone.
+::::The National Democratic Congressional Committee, meanwhile, announced just yesterday that it had a similarly record-breaking haul last quarter, but with a much lower final total, with $36.5 million overall and $14.4 million in June."[https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/republicans-outraise-democrats-in-second-quarter-ahead-of-2022-midterms/]
+::::There is going to be a big beautiful red wave in 2022.[https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/republicans-outraise-democrats-in-second-quarter-ahead-of-2022-midterms/] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:38, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Trump never fumbled the ball. If anything, the threat of COVID was in fact exaggerated, and I can prove it: [https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/emails-reveal-how-influential-articles-that-established-covid-19-natural-origins-theory-were-formed_3848832.html?utm_source=Morningbrief&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-06-09&mktids=87a86463c72fbcf1ed6a9ec4313cef75&est=jIwT2myrs8LJFHeL%2F%2BxJg8xAag5JkyezGrpLbHk%2BV5oaVkhuXmu%2FH5WmS3o7rTdHOXg7] [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 19:55, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Trump was subverted by DNC/CCP [[collusion]] - that's what the history books will read - assuming we, and free speech, can survive and avoid CCP occupation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:33, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+Trump is not the first person to fumble a ball. Moses struck a rock twice and never saw the Promised Land. King David gravely sinned.[https://sermons.faithlife.com/sermons/120893-the-lust-of-sin-and-david's-worst-moment]
+Samson fumbled a ball and he was given a second chance to be victorious.
+Who knows what is going to happen in 2024?  Trump may win the presidency again. Given the tribalism that has developed around the GOP/Democrats, I don't see Joe Biden making much headway getting Republicans to have higher vaccination rates. And I think getting Republicans to have higher vaccination rates is going to be the key to conquering this pandemic in the USA as soon as possible (that's assuming it will end or at least be a seasonal problem). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:37, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BmEGm-mraE Democratic Party theme song for 2022]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:05, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+==Spelling error needs correcting on main page==
+It is not "lightening" (that means to lighten something, like bleaching your hair), it is "lightning".  [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 15:44, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:I fixed it. Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:54, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+==Breaking==
+[https://youtu.be/9sxidE4DPow Captain Kirk defects to the Klingons]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:54, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+== The great seed panic of 2020 ==
+With the country under lockdown in the summer of 2020, Americans started receiving unmarked packets of seeds from China. Was China trying to export an invasive plant species, a virus, or other dangerous materials? The USDA suggested it was "brushing", a scam in which a company sends out worthless items to get delivery receipts. Such receipts can be used to improve the placement of product reviews on the Internet.
+What really happened is a tale of mass hysteria worthy of a new edition of Charles McKay's classic, ''Extraordinary Popular Delusions.'' People had ordered seeds in the spring when China was locked down. Shipment was delayed until summer. By this time, customers had forgotten about the orders. They listened to media reports about "mystery seeds" and a crisis of suggestibility followed: "What do you know, Mildred? I got a packet like that too."
+To compound the hysteria, Chinese companies often identified their products as jewelry to make it easier to get past customs. [https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/archive/2021/07/mystery-seed-home-delivery-conspiracy-theory/619425/ Chris Heath sleuthed this story out]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:46, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
+== YouTube bans Carlson for exposing voter fraud ==
+Auditors have hit the voter fraud jackpot in Fulton County, Georgia. See "[https://rumble.com/vjuxzp-internet-explodes-after-tucker-airs-hard-evidence-of-voter-fraud-in-fulton-.html Internet Explodes After Tucker Airs HARD EVIDENCE of Voter Fraud in Fulton County]." How do we know Carlson is on to something? Because YouTube has shut him down with astonishing speed and thoroughness. Carlson videos going back several years have suddenly gone poof. YouTube never shut down a Trump-Russia expose, so it's not like the company cares about accuracy. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 12:32, July 16, 2021 (EDT)
+:''[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/07/14/house-democrats-launch-investigation-into-maricopa-county-audit/ the Biden Regime is preparing for a civil war against the American electorate to protect the fraudulent results of the 2020 election.  The U.S. Department of Justice has been activated along with The Federal Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the U.S. Intelligence Community and elements of the U.S. Department of Defense.  In addition to the full weight of the U.S. government, the Democrat National Committee, the [[Lawfare group|Lawfare alliance]], activist groups, the U.S. media cond Big Tech social media platform control agents have all been enlisted.]'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:51, July 16, 2021 (EDT)
+::On the subject of double scanning of ballots leading to double counting, Carlson cites [https://www.ajc.com/politics/some-ballots-initially-double-counted-in-fulton-before-recount/GY4FTEEI6REIJN3SDKIDNIOYV4/ this story] in the ''Atlanta Journal-Constitution''. It says that this scenario gave Biden an additional 31 votes. Then there's the issue of mail-in ballots, counts of which varied widely in Fulton. After Biden's [https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/07/14/bidens-demagogic-voting-speech-499727 unhinged speech] attacking voting integrity laws, we have to assume the worst about the Democrats' intentions regarding the 2022 vote. Censoring Carlson is a drill. The next election needs every election watcher it can get. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:54, July 16, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Big Tech collusion with the White House to censor alleged covid misinformation is a dry run for censoring audit results, which will become a bigger and bigger issue now over the next 30 days.
+:::On a side note, a week ago people said Trump's lawsuit was nuts cause he accuses Big Tech as being "state actors" (the First Amendment is only a restriction on govt., not private actors). [[Psaki]]'s blatherings over the past two days makes it absolutely clear Facebook and Big Tech are acting on admonitions from the White House, evidence to be use in court. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:25, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+::::If Biden were smart, he'd fire Psaki by now. Well, it only accelerates his downfall, maybe also Harris and Pelosi as well if evidence is uncovered that they too played a role in the steal. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 05:13, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Unbelievable how Tucker Carlson is #1 in cable news and is cut off for reporting facts that the MSM and big tech do not want us to know about. I wish Tucker covered this earlier, like in November 2020, but he was not honest with his audience then. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 09:15, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+::::''Politico'' reported that Psaki is already on her way out. [[Symone Sanders]] is the next obvious choice, but she's more likely to stick it out with Harris. That leaves Beddingfield, but more likely [[Karine Jean-Pierre]] who apparently is being set up for the fall.
+::::As to Harris being in on the steal, you're giving her way too much credit for brains. Not likely. Pelosi OTOH is representative of all the big corrupt Democrat machines throughout the country. [https://i.insider.com/5c2e87ddad9571382135b1c4?width=500&format=jpeg&auto=webp She was born into it]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:53, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Let's go back to the case of Harris for a moment. [[Marc Elias]] was her general counsel during her short-lived presidential candidacy. She was the first choice of the DNC insiders to be heir of Obama and cut off the challenges from the [[DSA]] and Bernie Sanders. She was first in, and also first out. The question is, ''Who was working for who?'' Was Elias working for Harris or Harris working for Elias? Elias most definitely was the mastermind in the "greatest election fraud organization in history", in the same way he was one of the masterminds (along with [[John Brennan]]) in the Russia hoax. Elias hired [[Christopher Steele]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:31, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+"A 2019 report published by the Electoral Integrity Project, an independent project based out of Harvard University, found that U.S. elections from July 2012 through December 2018 rated 'lower than any other long-established democracies and affluent societies.' Each country in the index was given a score out of 100 based on assessments of the quality of each of its elections – including categories such as electoral laws, voter registration and voting process – one month after polls closed." - U.S News and World Report (mainstream news organization), 2019 [https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2020-10-07/us-elections-compare-poorly-to-other-democracies-research-shows]
+The "Democrat Dutchmen" can try to put their fingers in all the emerging holes in their dam to control the narrative about U.S. election, but it's a fool's errand. America needs more election integrity. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:06, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+== COVID-19 and Fort Detrick ==
+The Gateway Pundit is pushing a theory that reconciles the rival "CCP bioweapon" and "American bioweapon" theories; one in which the virus ''was'' created at Fort Detrick but was then smuggled out by a CCP spy.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 14:58, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/exclusive-china-infiltrated-u-s-military-biodefense-program-fort-detrick/
+:(a) Old news. (b) That is not what the article says.
+:''Was there cooperation between American government funded researchers and CCP researchers on gain-of-function research?'' Yes. ''Was it developed at Ft. Detrick and smuggled out?'' No.
+:Right now, you are quoting verbatim official Communist Chinese line of propaganda.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:25, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:Where's Jen Psaki and Facebook to snuff out misinformation when you need them? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:26, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+::The article strongly implies that the virus was snuck out of Detrick by one of the several CCP-linked members of Fauci's NIAID team. This is a theory that endorses a Fort Detrick origin but still places ultimate blame on the CCP.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 16:15, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Nah nah nah. You got Dr. Baric and the North Carolina lab to worry about. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:04, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Breaking: Remember, you heard it here first.: [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/07/23/senator-rand-paul-says-sars-weaponization-research-happening-right-now-in-north-carolina-and-texas/ Senator Rand Paul Says SARS Weaponization Research Happening Right Now in North Carolina and Texas]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:09, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:::The Ft. Detrick lab story is more than a year old already. [https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/chinese-officials-blame-us-army-for-coronavirus-67267 Mar. 13, 2020]. It got recycled this spring after a bizarre shootout at Ft. Detrick. [https://apnews.com/article/maryland-frederick-ad638d84f61061141db28367d079a0b7 April 6, 2021]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:12, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:::So obviously Fauci, [[Daszak]], and Baric are anxious to take the heat off NIAID and stick it back on the Pentagon. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:15, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:::I'm not saying there wasn't Pentagon cooperation with the CCP through Fauci, et al, I'm saying the idea of "smuggling" is b.s. They all were full partners - the Pentagon, NIAID, and the Wuhan lab -  knowing what they were doing on gain of function. Trump shut it down. The "smuggle theory" is an obvious effort by the American side to deny responsibility for its involvement.
+:::Now, in the Winnipeg lab case, there you do have evidence of illegal smuggling of samples. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:24, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:::The American side was simply too trusting, that (a) the Chinese side would follow proper handling and security protocols, and (b) that the CCP would not use it as an offensive bioweapon. Whether or not it began with an accident is totally irrelevant. It was released to the world deliberately by the CCP. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:30, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Let's even assume it was an accidental leak. The CCP could have and should have contained it. They willfully decided not to, and rather made the conscious decision to attack the rest of the planet with it to further their global ambitions.  That moment altered the course of history for the rest of the 21st century.  The only word that matters now is [[China#Decoupling]], which means the CCP can either be overthrown, or go back into another 3,000 years of isolation. Period. PERIOD. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:43, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+::::I'd like to see the USA pursue a restrained foreign policy, for once. That's what the Founders would've wanted.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 01:12, July 18, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Restrained in what sense? You mean ''not'' sending troops into Haiti so as to ''not'' justify a CCP invasion of Taiwan in the immediate future? If Biden ''does'' send troops to Haiti, rest assured it's the green light to the CCP to send troops into its own backyard. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:18, July 18, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Let me back up for a minute.  When I said "overthrown", I mean internally.  Two regimes that cannot be overthrown externally are North Korea and the CCP. They cannot be removed by external powers like Hitler and the Nazis were. (If you've seen any number of films, ''Operation Walkure'' with Tom Cruise, ''[[Sophie Scholl]]'', ''Taking Sides'' with Stellan Skarsgard, to name only a few recent, you'll see the difficulty of removing a corrupt regime internally).  Not being able to remove a corrupt regime by external force is the price we pay for the scientific progress of living in the nuclear age.  Iran is next on the list, that we must decide if the planet wants to live with Mullahs running things in perpetuity, or will the people of Iran ever have some hope of living under a freer system. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:47, July 18, 2021 (EDT)
+== Joe Biden failed: Canada's vaccination rate overtakes the USA ==
+Joe Biden failed: Canada's vaccination rate overtakes the USA.[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57869947]
+For more information, see: [[Essay: Joe Biden may have to become more bipartisan to get Republicans to rally behind Covid-19 vaccination in order to get to herd immunity in the USA|Joe Biden may have to become more bipartisan to get Republicans to rally behind Covid-19 vaccination in order to get to herd immunity in the USA]].
+If only Joe Biden gave Donald Trump credit for [[Operation Warp Speed]] and his vaccination drive.
+The coronavirus pandemic could plague Biden's presidency, just like it did Trump's presidency.
+"There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit." - [[Ronald Reagan]] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:18, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:In related news, the count of "fully vaccinated Texas Democrats" now having COVID is up to five.  (Then again, this assumes -- and we know what happens when you do that -- they were telling the truth about being vaccinated.  Or having COVID.  Or both.  We are talking Democrats, after all.)  [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 11:54, July 19, 2021 (EDT)
+::They didn't use common sense. Unless the private airplane had some kind of hard core air purification/filtering system, a plane, subway, etc. is going to more dangerous because people are breathing a lot of same air and are in close proximity to each other. They should have been wearing masks/face shield. And in some Asian countries, people don't talk in subways because that increases transmission.
+::The Democrats in question were swilling beer, wearing no masks and probably talking a lot. That is stupid in the midst of a pandemic - especially with the more transmissable/virulent Delta variant which the vaccines are not as able to tackle.  Pride comes before the fall. They thought they were invincible. They were not.
+::There is the term "common sense", but it is getting less and less common. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:03, July 21, 2021 (EDT)
+:::What that whole episode shows is that Democrats do not believe their own propagands. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 03:27, July 21, 2021 (EDT)
+=="routine doctor’s appointment"==
+:''It was announced by the White House that Kamala Harris went to Walter Reed Hospital for a “routine doctor’s appointment” today.'' [https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/07/18/kamala-harris-heads-to-walter-reed-after-meeting-with-covid-texas-dems-n412762?]
+Yah, right. Everybody has a routine doctor's appointment on Sunday. It is beyond insulting how stupid the WH and MSM think we are. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:03, July 19, 2021 (EDT)
+== First January 6th sentence ==
+After months of listening to the media explain that a violent "insurrection" occurred on January 6, Paul Hodgkins is sentenced to eight months for inhumanity of....carrying a MAGA flag around the Senate chamber: "[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9803525/Florida-man-38-carried-Trump-2020-flag-stormed-Capitol-given-eight-months-prison.html Capitol rioter, 38, is jailed for EIGHT MONTHS in first felony sentence that could set the bar for hundreds of other defendants]." Puerto Ricans nationalists shot five congressmen in House chamber in 1954. Their sentences were commuted by Jimmy Carter. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:21, July 20, 2021 (EDT)
+:What a waste of time and money this all is. Everyone knows all 532 people charged (and anybody else in coming months) will all receive full Presidential pardons no later than January 21, 2025. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:26, July 20, 2021 (EDT)
+==These really are some sick people==
+*9 January 2017 - Obama White House lifted the ban on gain-of-function research.<ref>https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2017/01/09/recommended-policy-guidance-potential-pandemic-pathogen-care-and-oversight</ref><ref>https://www.phe.gov/s3/dualuse/documents/p3co-finalguidancestatement.pdf</ref>
+*11 January 2017 - [[Anthony Fauci]] made a presentation at Georgetown University stating that there is “no doubt” Donald J. Trump will be confronted with a surprise infectious disease outbreak during his presidency.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=285342982614327</ref>   Biden chief of staff [[Ron Klain]] was also in attendance.<ref>https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20170111/fauci-no-doubt-trump-will-face-surprise-infectious-disease-outbreak</ref>
+{{reflist}}
+If they can't have their way, nobody can have their way. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:47, July 20, 2021 (EDT)
+On January 5, 2017, Biden, Obama Susan Rice, ''et al'' huddled in the Oval office to discuss how to extend the [[FISA]] warrant to spy on the Trump team beyond Obama's term office. On January 9 they activated the Fauci-[[Daszak]]-[[Shi Zhengli]] line as an insurance policy. On January 12 they reauthorized the FISA warrant for another 90 days, effectively subverting the Trump administration and nominees.
+This is beyond partisanship. These people are willing to destroy the country if they can't have or remain in power. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:55, July 20, 2021 (EDT)
+:My understanding is that gain-of-function research continued throughout this period, ban or no ban. In  November 2015, Shi and Baric published a paper describing how to insert a covid-like protein spike into a SARS virus. If that's not suspicious, what is? This was financed by Fauci's institute, despite Obama's ban at the time. The P3 regulations issued in January 2017 were even less effective. No grants were approved under this process. The real procedure throughout this period seems to have been that Fauci and Collins approved whatever research they liked and ignored published regulations.[https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins][https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26552008/] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:04, July 20, 2021 (EDT)
+::Yes, the research did continue throughout "the pause" as they call it, probably funded by the CCP and other public and private funders (even EcoAlliance probably had a reserve fund).  When funding did resume, Fauci did not pass the project before the mandatory P3 review board for approval. So it was illegal. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup>
+::(sidenote: the people who dole out grants, and the recipients, seem to always get more than they need, stash away portions in "rainy day" funds, should political existencies ever get in the way of long term projects). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:40, July 20, 2021 (EDT)
+::It's looking more and more like the pandemic was another "insurance policy in the event you die before you are 40".
+::*[https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-inauguration-warning-scenario-pandemic-132797 ''Politico: Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918’]'' .
+::Thus far, I've linked [[Ron Klain]] (Trump is [https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20170111/fauci-no-doubt-trump-will-face-surprise-infectious-disease-outbreak ''"not the kind of leadership we need in our next president....It’s hard to think of a more important time to show a willingness to speak out in the public health community and the global health community than it is right now on the eve of Donald Trump becoming our next president.”''])  and Lisa Monaco.
+::*Funding to the Wuhan lab became effective Dec. 17, 2017.
+::*[[Lisa Monaco]]: [https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/09/28/the-next-pandemic-will-be-arriving-shortly-global-health-infectious-avian-flu-ebola-zoonotic-diseases-trump/ ''The Next Pandemic Will Be Arriving Shortly''], September 28, 2018.
+::So, just as the Carter Page FISA warrant was an insurance policy to cover all the Obama administration's illegal spying on the Trump campaign, thwart his cabinet and staff picks, and derail his administration, the plandemic was an insurance policy against his re-election. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:13, July 21, 2021 (EDT)
+===Understanding the mindset===
+When the Trinity nuclear test explosion occurred, the United States had troops who were enlisted to fight fascism in trenches 90 yards from ground zero, just to see what would happen. [https://youtu.be/tXX-1MIMr2E They were incinerated], of course (I will hold back the Nazi medical experiments comparison). Or the cases of feeding radioactive oatmeal to retarded children in CIA experiments of the 1950s. These people, who currently re-constitute the [[Biden junta]], attitude toward human life and the American population is no different. It's no different than the "progress" Mao brought to China in 1950s and 60s. They have no compunction in snuffing out your life in the name of social, political, and most importantly scientific progress. Do not be fooled by anything that comes out their mouths, from Xi Jnping, to his underling Joe Biden, to Jen Paski at the bottom of the totem poll, or anybody in between in the administration or Congress, or outside government, in media, in academia, in large corporations. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:30, July 21, 2021 (EDT)
+== 2020 polls were the least accurate in 40 years ==
+The national polls in the last two weeks of the 2020 campaign were off by an average of 4.5 points. The state-by-state polls were off by 5.1 points. The errors were always in Biden's favor. The pollsters have now exhaustively analyzed their performance -- and they are happy with it. You see, accuracy is not what they are after. Modern polling is all about telling Dems what they want to hear. In short, just follow IBD and Trafalgar Group and forget the rest. See "[https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/18/pollsters-2020-polls-all-wrong-500050 Pollsters: ‘Impossible’ to say why 2020 polls were wrong]" and "[https://redstate.com/streiff/2021/07/20/pollsters-studying-why-2020-predictions-were-so-wrong-decide-to-blame-president-trump-saying-mean-things-about-them-n413648 Pollsters Studying Why 2020 Predictions Were So Wrong Decide to Blame President Trump Saying Mean Things About Them]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:48, July 20, 2021 (EDT)
+== Preserving the relics of Jim Crow ==
+Biden is not backing off his claim that the filibuster is "a relic of Jim Crow." So should we abolish it? Not so fast! That would, "throw the entire Congress into chaos, and nothing would get done."[https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/joe-biden-town-hall-filibuster/] How do we square this circle? Biden is a racist and proud of it? Or maybe he is pro-chaos?
+It hardly matters that Biden made a hash of the real history of the filibuster. Senate Rule 22, the filibuster rule, was adopted in 1917 as a result of a debate concerning the arming of merchant ships in World War I. It was revised by a liberal Senate in the early 1970s to create the current "silent filibuster." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 19:45, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
+:The original filibuster was 2/3; it was lowered to 3/5 in the 1970s. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:03, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
+::That was the post-Watergate Senate in 1975, one of the most liberal ever. Under the Articles of Confederation, you needed at least nine of the thirteen states to enact a law. Perhaps this was a precedent for two-thirds rule that was established in 1917. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:59, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
+:::I had a good source on the history of the filibuster a few weeks ago and didn't save somewhere. If I recollect, it was something like 3/4 vote by tradition from the 1840s on til 1917 when they made a 2/3 rule in writing, I think.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:21, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Prior to 1917, there were no time limits. That was the big difference. In 1917 they imposed time limits and a test vote to break it. Before that, if you couldn't break a consensus (by whatever definition) by a headcount, off the floor, a bill simply never got voted on in that session. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:25, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
+:::IOWs, after 1917 came Cloture votes, and time limits.  The time limits weren't really put to the test until the 1964 Civil Rights Act. By 1975, enough Senators agreed that a filibuster that everyone knew would fail was just a waste of time, so they reformed the system by redefining consensus. Filibusters today are all on paper, rather than speeches on the floor. You get 41 signatures on a piece of paper, and it prevents the Majority Leader from scheduling a vote on the floor.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:34, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
+:::When one senator finally gets bought off or defects to the other side, he or the Majority Leader files a Cloture Motion, and a Cloture vote is scheduled. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:41, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
+::::During the original filibuster in 1837, Calhoun dared the Senate to pass a "gag rule" to end it. This suggests that the Senate could have ended this filibuster by a majority vote. Later, the Senate used a procedure called "suspension of the rules" to end filibusters. This was abolished in 1915. From 1915 to 1917, there was a curious period when there was no rule to prevent even a single senator from blocking legislation. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:43, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Hmmm, wow. And the main issue in those days was to expand in the national debt under the gold standard. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:50, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::"under the gold standard" being key to understanding. Under the gold standard, the government was not free to print its way out of debt with inflation.  The real debt, in real money, with the labor of real workers and citizens, was the only way to repay the debt. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup>
+::::The filibuster, and Senate's tradition of "endless debate", begins with the premise that there are certain things that we will never agree on. So it protects the rights of the minority, against the tyranny of the majority.
+::::Now, the 3/5's rule on House apportionment also plays a part here.  Democrats were overrepresented in the House under the 3/5's apportionment rule prior to the Civil War.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:01, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Pre-Civil War, the filibuster was sometimes used as a check on the Democrats overrepresentation in the House under the 3/5ths apportionment clause, what  was called the Democrats' [[Slave Power]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:53, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+== You really don't check, do you? ==
+In your desperate haste to use something, ''anything'' to smear your opponents with, you've included [https://www.opindia.com/2021/07/google-trends-show-declining-interest-in-atheism-india-usa-uk-pakistan/ a link] on the Main Page that says this: ''"the biggest violators of human rights in the world today are China, a Communist state, and USA, a secular state"''.
+What's this now? Don't you love your country? Tsk tsk, "conservatives". [[User:Wilhelm Tell|Wilhelm Tell]] ([[User talk:Wilhelm Tell|talk]]) 10:29, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+:Wow, just wow. Just as i suspected, [[cherry picking]].
+:IMO, MPR should be used for headlines, and not Essay space. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:49, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+::Google trends shows a declining global interest in the keyword "atheism" and various nations have a declining interest in the keyword "atheism" too such as the USA, UK, India, Pakistan, etc. And a news website reported on this matter.[https://www.opindia.com/2021/07/google-trends-show-declining-interest-in-atheism-india-usa-uk-pakistan/] That is simply a fact. It's not a smear. That the news website has stories on other matters is incidental.
+::Recently, I listened to a podcast by Dr. Darrell Bock where he discusses his book ''Cultural Intelligence: Living for God in a Diverse, Pluralistic World''.[https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dr-darrell-bock-discusses-his-book-cultural-intelligence/id1388815042?i=1000529753571] He pointed out that the Bible says that Christians should be diplomatic to unbelievers. And he pointed out that the Apostle Paul was very diplomatic on Mars Hill where he spoke to the Athenians.
+::As a result, I have decided to be more diplomatic. So I am not going to lock horns with this person who is clearly spoiling for a fight.
+::I will briefly say that atheistic ideology historically has the worst human rights record. See: [[Atheism and human rights violations]] and [[Atheism and Mass Murder|Atheism and mass murder]]
+::"Fighting not good. Someone always get hurt." - Mr. Miyagi, ''The Karate Kid''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOl0AIAKKcg] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:10, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Well, he's right about the source. It could have been disclaimed, if you felt the need to use it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:28, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Disclaimers are easy. You say something like, "The commie leftist site blablabla reports....", or "Even the commie leftist site blablabla says....", or "According to the commie leftist site blablabla...", rather than just tossing it out there as a well-researched fact or something you agree with. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:36, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+::::The source was right about the Google trends data concerning atheism. See also: [[Google trends - Atheism and agnosticism terms]]
+::::In addition, I cite:
+::::*[http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=atheism%2C%20atheist%2C%20Richard%20Dawkins%2C%20agnostic%2C%20agnosticism&cmpt=q&tz= General atheism/agnostic terms - World]
+::::*[https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=IN&q=atheism Google trends - atheism - India]
+::::*[http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=atheism%2C%20atheist%2C%20Richard%20Dawkins%2C%20agnostic%2C%20agnosticism&geo=US&cmpt=q&tz= General atheism/agnostic terms - USA]
+::::*[http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=atheism%2C%20atheist%2C%20Richard%20Dawkins%2C%20agnostic%2C%20agnosticism&geo=GB&cmpt=q&tz= General atheism/agnostic terms - UK]
+::::The fallacy of composition arises when an individual assumes something is true of the whole just because it is true of some part of the whole. I could also mention the [[genetic fallacy]]. In short, just because a source is wrong about one matter, doesn't mean it is wrong about all matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:41, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::I'm not debating with you the substance of the article. The point here is the failure to disclaim the source, which boomerangs on (1) you, (2) the source, and (3) your argument. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:46, July 23, 2021 (EDT
+:::::::I don't think Wm Tell was spoiling for a fight. He did you a favor, pointing out sloppy research. Just fix it with a disclaimer or bury it.  Don't take it personal, and use the criticism to become a more diligent editor. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:53, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+A final message to User: Wilhelm Tell: I would also point out that I am merely a sojourner in the world and the USA. And empires, countries, ideologies and news websites come and go. But truth is enduring. And I reported correctly on the Google trends data and so did my source.
+A message to RobS: I disclaim nothing. I stand by the article I cited and the information in it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:56, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+:RobS, it is a general Indian news website. It is not some commie/liberal website. India is pretty conservative country (marriage, male/female roles, etc.). Just because you disagree with a website's particular article doesn't make it communist and liberal website. That is very myopic thinking.
+:The US foreign policy was not very good from Bill Clinton to Obama. G.W. Bush's Iraqi war was a mess in terms of needless deaths. So it not surprising that the USA has critics in terms of its human rights record. That is one of the reasons why Donald Trump was elected. Americans were sick of needless and costly wars and military escapades.
+:The history of man is full of bloodshed. No country's hands are clean. It is just a matter of degrees. To think otherwise, is to not know history and to engage in utopian thinking. On the whole, when you compare to USA's human right's history with many others, it is respectable. The USA has a lot of freedom and prosperity compared to many countries - certainly more than in China. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:17, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+::I looked at the bottom of the pages of [https://www.opindia.com/about/ OpIndia]. It appears to be a right-wing, nationalist Indian website that is an alternative to mainstream Indian news websites.  It is certainly not a communist website. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:37, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+:::I spoke a little early, I forgot or didn't realize that you actually did cite the source by name on MPR. Sorry. But as Wm Tell suggests, perhpas a bit more qualification to disclaim the source. You can simply use the author's name for economy of space, rather than the site name or characterizing it as such-and-such. This at least detaches it from yourself, and still stands as a statement of fact. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:54, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Like this: "According to Joe Blow: Blablabla..." 20:57, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+::::I triple down on not disclaiming. I almost feel sorry for the conservatives who give groveling apologies to secular leftists.
+::::"The third thing to remember when undergoing an SJW-attack is to never apologize for anything you have done." - Vox Day, author of ''SJWs always lie''.
+::::Martin Luther is one of my heroes.
+::::"Here I stand I stand. I can do no other". [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:32, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Conservative, please answer a question, a simple question: Suppose someone removed books from the bible, would you view them with reverence or with scorn? I'm asking because [http://francismary.org/why-did-martin-luther-remove-7-books-from-the-bible/ that's EXACTLY what Martin Luther did during his revolt], so I'd probably not consider him a hero if you're against removing books from the bible. I know if I were in your situation and I viewed him as a hero initially, learning he removed books from the bible would be more than enough to pull a 180 and view him as a monster overnight. Heck, James 2:24, one of the books he removed, promoted merit, a key ingredient to Capitalism and especially the work ethic, so you can't even call it the Protestant Work Ethic since the protestants under Luther if anything tried to GUT the work ethic. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 07:49, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::Bzzzt...wrong. James 2:24 ''does not'' promise a reward for work.
+:::::: All it says is that works are evidence of faith.  It ''is not'' an offer from God for a ''quid pro quo''.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 08:40, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::I don't think you understand. It was moved to the appendix because it advocated for a merit-based system, which conflicts with Luther's "faith alone" policy, meaning it was not considered part of the bible if it's not in the specific text (appendices don't count as being part of the actual bible). Either way, you still haven't answered the question of how you'd feel about someone removing books from the bible (and yes, moving it to the appendix counts as removing them). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 16:05, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::Bzzzt...wrong again. You do not have to prove your faith to man [people] for salvation.  This passage specifically addresses the problem of proving your sincerity (for example, in preaching the gospel) to men [people], not God.  Further, the passage (a) makes no promise of reward, and (b) does not imply that salvation comes from man [people] for displaying goods works. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:12, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::Did you even READ the article in question? It specifically stated that Luther removed it due to doctrinal issues from his personal views. I'll even quote it for you with emphasis added.
+:::::::::::"In the 16th century, Martin Luther adopted the Jewish list, putting the Deuterocanonical books in an appendix. He also put the '''letter of James''', the letter to the Hebrews, the letters of John, and the book of Revelation from the New Testament in an appendix. He did this for doctrinal reasons (for example: 2 Maccabees 12:43-46 supports the doctrine of purgatory, Hebrews supports the existence of the priesthood, '''and James 2:24 supports the Catholic doctrine on merit'''). Later Lutherans followed Luther’s Old Testament list and rejected the Deuterocanonical books, but they did not follow his rejection of the New Testament books."
+:::::::::::Either way, I was talking to Conservative when trying to point out that his hero Martin Luther removed books from the Bible, even going as far as to remove books from the New Testament, and he STILL hasn't answered the question on what he thinks of people who remove books from the bible. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 06:57, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::Are we still recycling that old, lame argument?
+::::::::::::*''Whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do,''
+::::::::::::*''Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.''
+::::::::::::Is God some kinda idiot, that he can't make himself understood?  Oh, do we need it spelled out in the NT?
+::::::::::::*''If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.''
+::::::::::::Martin Luther has zero, nothing, absolutely nothing to do with understanding James 2:24. The answer to that question is strictly between you, and God. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 08:07, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::Actually, my point with the argument was trying to address to Conservative here that his hero Martin Luther removed books from the bible and demanded to know what Conservative's views were on removing books from the Holy Book. I wasn't even originally planning on adding James 2:24 until I saw that bit in the article and, remembering his constantly referring to Capitalism as the protestant work ethic decided to point out that Luther, the guy who founded Protestantism if anything tried to get RID of the work ethic, aka, merit. And no, God, an omniscient being, is NOT an idiot, obviously. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 08:20, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::bla bla bla
+::::::::::::::*''For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.''  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 09:56, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::Lemme 'splain (and this has nothing to do with the truth or validity of the scripture): Martin Luther, a flawed man who would be the first to admit it, saw 406 years ago some idiots might get confused by James 406 years hence, so he tossed it out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:00, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::IOWs (to put it bluntly) Martin Luther was trying to do people like yourself a favor, the prevent them from looking like idiots. But you wanna keep stepping in the doggie doodoo. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:15, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Wow. You could not be more wrong. The issue is information in a citation that you provided that is wrong (''"the biggest violators of human rights in the world today are China, a Communist state, and USA, a secular state"''). And your only response is "Here I stand." Wow. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:26, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+I am not going to check every article on a website before I share an article online. That's a ridiculous and unreasonable standard.  Guilt by association is a logical fallacy. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:34, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:RobS, I misunderstood. I thought there was another article on the website that contained that errant quote. I did not know it was in the same article that I shared. I did not read the entire article as I am very familiar with [[Internet atheism|online atheism statistics]]. I deleted the article from main page right. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:38, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+==Zhengzhou flooding==
+Q. ''What happened?''
+Heavy rains caused workers at a reservoir to open the flood gates. People downstream in a city of 12 million were not notified for 13 hours. 6,000 commuters drowned in an underground tunnel 5.5 km long, and hundreds died in underground subways.
+CCP/Western MSM/CNN version:
+A once in a 1,000 year heavy rain, caused by [[global warming]], caused 200mm or three months' average rainfall to fall in 1 hour, causing 33 deaths. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 07:27, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:Or a judgement of God for the communist persecution of the Christians.[http://chinachristiandaily.com/news/church_ministry/2020-07-29/the-lord-sits-enthroned-over-the-flood_9413] It's tough to determine the ultimate cause of the heavy rain. It does seem to be of biblical proportions! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:27, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::"With pestilence and bloodshed I will enter into judgment with him, and I will rain upon him and his hordes and the many peoples who are with him torrential rains and hailstones, fire and sulfur." - Ezekiel 38:22.
+::It seems to me that China has had quite a bit of pestilence and rain in the past year or two. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:25, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Interesting insights but I haven't been able to find any online corroboration.  Do you have a source for the 6000+ dead?  [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 09:49, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::::The estimate is based on 2 persons per vehicle in the tunnel that hold a maximum capacity of approximately 3,000 vehicles in bumper-to-bumper rush hour traffic. The tunnel was completely flooded in about 5 minutes, as drivers continued to enter it in rush hour traffic.
+::::The estimate of 2 persons per vehicle is a bit high by U.S. standards, but can probably be taken at face value for urban Chinese commuters.
+::::I posted a summary of [https://youtu.be/OtF2vwslwp8 this 39 min video.]  The lady's English is not the best, but I've watched the video in its entirety more than twice now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:42, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Ultimately, it will be the [[Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation]] which will publish official figure based on the evidence.  In the case of the early Wuhan epidemic, which claimed over 45,000 lives in two or three months (versus the official CCP figure of 3,000 used by Johns Hopkins science experts), the Victims of Communism Foundation was fairly timely in publishing a figure. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:57, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+Here's an excerpted portion from the Youtube-generated transcript (I tried to correct a few errors):
+{{quotebox-float|again you see only beautiful or not too bad images; you won't see any of the real situation. this is what the ccp is allowing you to see. you will never see the videos i show you. so now let's place uh another video. say yes, so the left side is how the ccp is report about the flood and the right side is the real situation in Zhengzhou. can you see the difference[?] what worries me is the western media either because they don't have reporters inside china or because they just want to repeat what the ccp is saying are basically just copying or using ccp's images or videos about the flat [flood] and they also adopted the ccp's official dash [death] number as just as they did during the ccp virus or covet 19 pandemic. i saw an audience member in holland saying that the tv news in holland was just repeating cctv's positive news and the mainstream media in the u.s such as nbc abc cnn reuters are all saying that this is a once in a thousand years heavy rain resulting from global warming etc. no mentioning of the human errors, city construction problems, or man-made tragedies...}}
+*[https://youtu.be/WimkUfMeASc Thousands of Cars Could Have Been Submerged in a 5-Mile Tunnel in China]
+*[https://youtu.be/6poX2oxqfmM Chinese people were already livid at the CCP, then came the floods]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:16, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
+*'''Update:''' Tollbooth takers refused to lift the gates, traffic backed up in the tunnel, which means the tunnel was probably even more crowded than if the vehicles were moving. Official death count: 56. This is socialism with Chinese characteristics. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:27, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
+*'''Update:''' "The flooding in Zhengzhou China is exposing something very wrong with the Chinese government, and they are not happy about it. The coverup is showing the cracks in the foundation of the CCP." [https://youtu.be/XxmKcdrpHB4]  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 03:42, July 30, 2021 (EDT)
+== Leftist British Press ==
+Conservapedia continues to have a blind spot when it comes to the UK, the latest example being the comment about the Leftist British press.
+The British press can be mapped across to axes: serious to trivial, and politically leftist to politically right.  The Daily Mail, a newspaper often cited here as conservative, is somewhat conservative but tends to be socially liberal and, as a glance at it's website will show, very trivial.
+In all, there are two leftist national newspapers in the UK: the Mirror and the Guardian.  The rest are solidly aligned with the Conservative Party.
+We can see the Conservative Party as stretching from David Cameron closest to the centre and Boris Johnson's backers to the right - we can leave Johnson out of this because he is at best a political opportunist with a personal life that would have him cashiered from any regiment of the British Army.  Of the serious newspapers, the Times aligns with Camweron's centre right position.
+Firmly on the right, we have the Daily Telegraph - home of James Delingpole who now runs Breitbart's UK office.  For some reason, it is cited as part of the Leftist British press.
+You have UK visitors.  Check things with us.  We won't even charge you, although prayers and blessings are always gratefully accepted!  [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 09:48, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:''The Telegraph'' now has a paywall. I suppose people can get around it using the [https://archive.org/web/ Wayback Machine] or by subscribing. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:17, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::''The Daily Mail'' is an interesting and very good case study as to what has happened to print publications since the 1990s and online mass communications. Prior to internet, the ''Daily Mail'' had a reputation like the U.S. ''National Enquirer'', only it was published daily and not weekly. As it expanded its market with internet, like ''The Guardian'', it recognized the gaps in the U.S., controlled mainstream media, and stepped in. It began to take steps to improve the quality of its reporting and reputation, covering subjects U.S. controlled MSM studiously avoided (''The Guardian'' does  the same thing). The domestic ''National Enquirer'' likewise has attempted to follow this marketing strategy, as ''The New York Times'' became hell-bent on destroying its own reputation (example: the Russia pee-tape).
+::So yes, it's true. Most American readers are not familiar with ''DM's'' UK reputation. But America is the land of opportunity, and so long as ''DM'' continues to be dedicated to improving the quality of its reputation and reporting, and the boldness it shows in tackling subjects the elitist-controlled MSM in the US deems off-limits, it does not need to invent things out of thin air like alien abductions. There is enough real life shockers with the Russia hoax, the laptop from hell, Jeffrey Epstein, the Clinton Foundation, etc etc etc for anyone. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:19, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Let's take ''The Guardian'', for example; it was a ''Guardian'' reporter who a GOP candidate in remote Montana picked up and body-slammed for sticking a microphone in his face. Why does a reporter from the London equivalent of the ''Washington Post'' feel the need to take an airline flight to Montana (no direct flights, he has to transfer at Minneapolis, pay hotel bills, etc) to harass a Republican congressional candidate, to manufacture a global news story, for a story the domestic MSM would otherwise ignore?  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:32, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+Thanks for explaining the British media to me.  [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 10:43, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+::Hey, we're the ones who have to live with this invasion of UK media. Question: Why does ''The Guardian'' feel the necessity to cover a Montana GOP candidate that the Helena Daily Rag, the Podunck Idaho Screed Sheet, the NYT, NBC, CNN, WaPo, etc, etc, etc ignore?  Answer: Simple. The London commies are fearful a Trump-supporting congressman will vote to cut NATO, imperiling the UK's ability to fund the National Health System. Now, will the commie MSM in the US cover and explain b.s like this? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:23, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+:I am glad the USA/UK have a very cordial relationship ("special relationship). It gives us great alternative news outlets and also a place to emigrate if the USA becomes intolerable at some point. Ireland is also a great potential place to emigrate. In addition, the UK gave us other alternatives to emigrate to such as [https://thecommonwealth.org/member-countries The Commonwealth Countries].
+:Also, Pilgrim's Progress is my favorite fiction work. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:52, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+== Kamala Harris and the 25th Amendment ==
+I don't see anything happening on this front until January 2022.
+Remember the text says that the most that any person can serve as President is 10 years.  If she could get it invoked tomorrow, she could only serve one full term afterwards.  BUT if she holds out until January 20th rolls around (or, to be safe, maybe the 22nd or 23rd) and then gets it invoked, she would serve less than a two-year period, thus allowing her to win two rigged elections for full terms.  Thus allowing her to finish off the Republic once and for all (barring the End Times).  [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 14:09, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:It will never happen. Liberals/leftists always double down. Joe Biden will resign first "to spend more time with his family". Or they will keep Joe Biden away from reporters/public and not agree to presidential debates if they have to.
+:Joe Biden and/or his advisors gave Kamala Harris the poison chalice of the Mexican border issue and now she is more unelectable. Kamala Harris is a political train wreck. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:32, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::We'd have to look at the language of the 22th Amendment a little closer. As I understand it, a person is limited to being elected twice ''and'' two years of his/hers/their/they/them/its (assuming they're human and not a nanoclone) predecessor's term, which could mean the actual limitation is ten years. Am I right? If so, Kamala could take over tomorrow, stuff the ballot box twice, and be forced to hand over the reins of power about 18 months before the end of her second term. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:37, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::It's a peculiar provision in the constitution. If the above scenario came about, in the 2028 election, one candidate would be running for a four year term, whereas the other ticket both candidates would be running for president, the public knowing the VP will become president for the 18 month remainder of the four year term. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:49, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::The drafters of the 22nd Amendment erred on the side of longterm continuity, rather than short-term chaos and instability. Why should a popular VP who succeeds to office be penalized and limited, and the voters restricted in their choice for a popular figure, because of the unfortunate death a predecessor?  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:55, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Kamala is unelectable in a national election. She has all the likelability and charisma of a dead, rotting fish. At most, she has all the likeability and charisma of a skunk. A video of Kamala campaigning can be found [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lATwKI_S7d0 HERE]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:31, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Actually, we're not discussing the electability of Kamala Harris. We are discussing the internal division within the [[junta]] between the establishment Biden faction and the progressive Kamala faction, their ongoing efforts to subvert each other. Kamala holds a trump card with the 25th Amendment, so the establishment Biden faction is waging a PR war to demonize Harris with [[leak]]s. Biden is fighting off a coup from his VP.
+::::Biden had no say in selecting Kamala - it was the price he paid Rep. [[Jim Clyburn]] for his support on the eve of the Super Tuesday primary, when Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and other contenders dropped out. Clyburn and the Obama power base delivered the black vote to Biden in exchange for their picking the VP spot for their return to power, knowing Biden was unlikely to finish his term. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:47, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+== Political partisans, news information bubbles, confirmation bias and the coronavirus pandemic.  ==
+"A 2012 [http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2012/confirmed/final.pdf survey] conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University asked a sample of Americans about their news-consumption habits, and quizzed them about U.S. and international political and economic events. They found that those watching the most partisan television news sources—on both the left and the right — were often less knowledgeable about world events than those who consumed no news at all." - Arthur C. Brooks (former president of the American Enterpise Institute) [https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2020/10/reading-too-much-political-news-bad-happiness/616651/]
+I am glad I read a variety of sources about the coronavirus pandemic and did not drink the Kool-Aid that various parts of the political pendulum were peddling. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:50, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:"Like, I mean, if there is some disease out there — maybe there’s just an ebb and flow to life where something’s supposed to wipe out a certain amount of people, and that’s just kind of the way evolution goes. Vaccines kind of stand in the way of that.” - Rob Schmitt, A right-wing, anchor at Newsmax and former anchor at Fox News[https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/7/14/22577010/now-the-right-wing-supports-population-control-via-covid-19-cpac-kristi-noem-s-e-cupp]
+:What's next the war on antiobiotics, pharmaceuticals and surgeries?[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:31, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::On the liberal/leftists side of the political spectrum, we had the ignoring and/or foolish criticism of [[Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment]] (which is a great way to treat coronavirus patients).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:39, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:<small><ahem, Cons, you and Karajou swallowed the CCP/Fauci line about the bat-stew flu hook, line, and sinker from the gitgo.></small> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:47, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::Early on, I added material about the lab theory to an article of mine when it was suggested to me to do so. See: [[Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic]].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:09, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:::P.S. Rob "Biden Junta" Smith, I hope you are not saying you are more open-minded and reasonable than me! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:15, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:::RobS, I have one very emphatic word for you: FINLAND! See: [[Essay: An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland.]].
+:::Finland handled the pandemic better than the USA.
+:::The USA is going to find out the price of freedom and the price of having a poor educational system, poor journalism and substandard politicians. I predict Finland will keep weathering the pandemic storm well.
+:::Finland has a lot of freedom and it also has a better educational system, better journalism and better politicians than many countries. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:44, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::That's after the fact. I'm referring to initial reporting. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:55, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::::"According to the article Understanding Finnish Culture is Key to Thriving in Finland, "Finns have a reputation for reticence, thoughtfulness and unemotional behavior. They are quiet, reflective, somber and, for some, seemingly stubborn and standoffish. They are unwilling to speak unless they have something of importance to say. There is a saying that when a Finn says something, they really mean it."[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/07/24/most-unvaccinated-americans-dont-plan-shot-us-buy-more-pfizer/8070577002/]
+::::Finland in July of 2021: "Most of the infections are currently traced to domestic sources, such as the gatherings of young people in bars. With almost 60 per cent of the infections reported last week were detected in 10–29-year-olds, young people and young adults should both reduce social contacts that increase the risk of infection and get vaccinated as soon as possible, according to THL. Vaccine uptake has improved rapidly also in the age group, with more than a half of over 20-year-olds receiving the first vaccine injection."[https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/19650-finland-to-revisit-coronavirus-strategy-as-infections-rise-vaccinations-continue.html]
+::::My projection: The thoughtful and adaptable Finns are going to handle the pandemic better than stubborn Americans who attended public schools with low standards.[http://blog.goinglobal.com/understanding-finnish-culture-is-key-to-thriving-in-finland/#:~:text=Finns%20have%20a%20reputation%20for,something%2C%20they%20really%20mean%20it.] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:59, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+A poll by The Associated Press and the NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that 35% of American adults who have not yet received a vaccine say they probably will not get the shot, and 45% say they definitely will not.[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/07/24/most-unvaccinated-americans-dont-plan-shot-us-buy-more-pfizer/8070577002/]
+Many Americans are going to find out the price of stubbornness and/or the price of being poorly educated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:03, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:Go ahead, ignore what I said. Your blathering is after the fact. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:13, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:You are just as responsible for spreading covid misinformation as the CCP and Dr. Fauci. No citation can bail you out. The more you talk, the deeper the hole you dig. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:16, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::Again, early on, I added material about the lab theory to an article of mine when it was suggested to me to do so. See: [[Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic]].
+::I just posted above: Rob "Biden Junta" Smith, I hope you are not saying you are more open-minded and reasonable than me! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:17, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:You parroted the CCP/Fauci line from the beginning. It's a fact anyone can easily check. Incidentally, Per Conservapedia, the United States is a Constitutional Republic(de jure) Junta (de facto). I didn't put it there. If you think the election was not stolen and wish to parrot the DNC/MSM party line, go ahead and revert. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:20, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::"Junta: In modern usage it refers to a military council that rules a country following a coup d'état, before constitutional rule is restored. In Latin America juntas are normally formed by the chiefs of the army, air force, and navy." - Oxford Reference.[https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100027257]
+::There is no Biden junta. Keep being a partisan and stubborn American. If only you were more like the present-day Finnish with a cultural heritage of Protestantism.
+::"Why can't a partisan American be more like a Finn with a cultural heritage of Protestantism? Finns are so honest, so thoroughly square; Eternally noble, historically fair. Who, when you win, will always give your back a pat. Why can't a partisan American be like that? One Finn in a million may shout a bit. Now and then, there's one with slight defects. One perhaps whose truthfulness you doubt a bit, But by and large they are a marvelous nation!" - Henry Higgins, My Fair Lady (Very loosely paraphrased)[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Doz5w2W-jAY] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:35, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:::"modern usage", you mean the American Marxist-controlled MSM usage. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:03, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:::[https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1234573122776551424 Update on Finland]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:08, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+::::The native Finns are assuming that their Muslim immigrants are as reasonable as them. Tragic mistake! Well being Finns, I am sure they will learn quickly from their mistake in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:27, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::In America, we [https://www.huffpost.com/entry/yoopers-upper-peninsula-new-word_n_5042423 call Finns 'Yoopers'].  Be forewarned: they have the strangest sense of humor you'll ever meet, and a pastie is not something a stripper wears, it's the driest Hot Pocket you'll ever choke on without gravy. And that Lake Superior whitefish is about as appetizing as Lutefisk all those Swedes and Norwegians in the Mini Apple love.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:18, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+I love pasties. I ate some in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. And if I am not mistaken gravy or ketchup is usually put on them.[https://www.saultstemarie.com/ketchup-gravy-pasty-story/] At the places I bought pasties, they had gravy with them.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:54, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+:Well, according to Yoopers, they made them for miners to carry into the mines in their pockets, so they must have ate them cold.  But even though they're available everywhere in the UP, even at gas stations, they could use a little ketchup or gravy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 07:50, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+:And Yoopers called Lower Michaganders below the bridge Trolls long before it entered internet slang, so they still respectfully use a capital "T" to deliniate. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 07:57, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+== God emperor Trump: Chosen by heaven ==
+[https://youtu.be/_g8A96RPJDc Viareggio is a city in Tuscany whose carnival should be a lot more famous]: ''All embrace me. It's my time to rule at last. Fifteen years have all been waiting. No man alive or dead commands me. I answer to the Lord. Hear my orders. Question me and die.'' [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 05:22, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+::I never liked the whole "God emperor Trump". It's a [[cult of personality]] type thinking. See: [[Essay: 12 signs American politics is becoming more cultlike]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:06, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Become? We're already there since the founding of this country with our reverence of the Founding Fathers instead of having an explicit dedication of Jesus Christ, our lord and savior. Ask Christopher A. Ferrara. But I do agree that "God Emperor Trump" isn't a good way at all. I may respect the guy, but I don't view him as a God. There's only one God. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 07:52, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+::::You should click and watch the video. I found it entertaining (and guaranteed to trigger liberals). The lyrics say "I answer to the Lord." That's pretty orthodox for a modern-day pop tune. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:05, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+== Italian "scientist" is actually a model, actress and television personality ==
+Italian "scientist" Eleonora Brigliadori is actually a model, actress and television personality.  The "In the News" item "Italian scientist warns against graphene" should be corrected to read "Italian media personality. warns against graphene".  —&nbsp;[[User:Dave Wilcox|Dave&nbsp;Wilcox]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Dave Wilcox|talk]]) 22:47, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+:Hmmm? "I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV?"  How come the American MSM shut off [https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/07/28/facebook_and_youtube_ban_video_of_doctors_talking_covid_silenced_doctors_hold_press_conference.html real doctors in white lab coats] when they tried to inform the American public about the scam? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:55, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+:Jesus: "I am the way, the truth, and the life."
+:[[Fauci]]: "To attack me is to attack science and truth."
+:What are we suppose to believe? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:57, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
+Looks like some anonymous troll put some uncited original research in Wikipedia. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eleonora_Brigliadori&type=revision&diff=1034611783&oldid=1018023390]  Wikipedia leftists really need to revise how they set up smears and slanders.  It's getting old.  No wonder nobody believes them anymore [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:05, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
+:So let's get back to the main point, the term "scientist". Is Bill Gates a scientist? Is Dr. Fauci a scientist? Is attacking Fauci attacking science? Is attacking Fauci attacking truth?  Now, if we can receive clear explanations to these questions, the OP may have raised a valid point. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:09, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
+:I didn't get the information about Eleanora Brigliadori from Wikipedia.  It was in a comment under the [https://rumble.com/vk9v8e-italian-doctor-warns-18-months-after-taking-vaccine-people-will-start-dropp.html Rumble video to which the "In the News" entry linked].  In fact, subsequent to my comment on 25 July the title of the video was changed from "Italian '''Doctor''' Warns 18 Months After Taking "Vaccine" People Will Start Dropping Like Flies" to "Italian '''Actress''' Warns 18 Months After Taking "Vaccine" People Will Start Dropping Like Flies". A cursory search using DuckDuckGo seems to confirm it.  No mention of Brigliadori being a scientist or doctor. —&nbsp;[[User:Dave Wilcox|Dave&nbsp;Wilcox]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Dave Wilcox|talk]]) 14:51, July 31, 2021 (EDT)
+::Oh good. What is a scientist? Something holy? A title conferred? Seems to me anyone who can add and two and two to make four qualifies as a scientist. But I have scientific evidence to make valid doubts about many who claim the coveted title. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:57, July 31, 2021 (EDT)
+== The 2024 election page is up ==
+The page is [[United_States_presidential_election,_2024|here]]. Feel free to update it as you wish!--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 13:36, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
+:First things first. Where's the [[2022 Midterm elections]] page?  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:22, July 31, 2021 (EDT)
+==The most devastating video on the Internet==
+[https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1420195710750838792 https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1420195710750838792]  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 07:49, July 28, 2021 (EDT)
+==Russian collusion==
+In just six months, America has gone from being an oil exporter to an oil importer, with Russia being our second biggest supplier. [https://tass.com/economy/1321313]  That, with the [[Nord Stream II]] pipeline, is making [[Vladimir Putin]] rich. Why aren't we talking about it? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:17, July 31, 2021 (EDT)
+== I got my vaccine ==
+I got my first covid vaccine shot yesterday. My arm is still a bit sore, but basically I've had no reaction worth mentioning. Just before they give you the vaccine, they tell you that it is experimental and that it doesn't have FDA approval. So we are all guinea pigs.
+[https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker/ According to the CDC], 50 percent of Americans are fully vaccinated and 60 percent have had at least one dose. If you look at the chart, Americans over 40 have all been vaccinated. Teenagers are the least likely to be vaccinated. Yet the media tells us that vaccine resistance is a right-wing conspiracy.
+The ''Wall Street Journal'' has an op-ed by former junk bond kingpin Michael Milken that calls for a huge increase in virus research: "[https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-pandemic-darpa-nih-advanced-research-projects-agency-for-health-11627401881 Covid Is the 21st Century’s Sputnik]." Bill Gates, Fauci's closest email buddy, has been financing both vaccine education as well as the efforts to develop genetically engineered coronaviruses in Wuhan. In short, it was a giant blackmail scheme. It reminds me of the anthrax mailings. In that case, the perpetrator was a bioweapons scientist (Bruce Ivins) who didn't think his field was getting enough funding. FBI Director Robert Muller manipulated Ivins into committing suicide, which suggests the evidence against him was shaky. Gates and his minions need to do some hard time.  [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 11:16, August 1, 2021 (EDT)
+:The Democrat's latest tactic is demonizing the unvaccinated, see [https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/01/nolte-without-trump-dems-media-dehumanize-unvaccinated-salvage-2022-midterms/ ''Brietbart'']. If you think that the vaccine protects you, why would you worry about whether others are vaccinated or not? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 14:47, August 1, 2021 (EDT)
+::They're not even pretending anymore with ''Arbeit Macht Frei''; they're only too willing to cut everybody an unemployment check. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:14, August 1, 2021 (EDT)
+:::If you are under 30, your chance of dying of covid is one in 100,000. So the goal of full vaccination is someone on a power trip.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yaqjHU7Aj8] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:49, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
+::::The two cites linked here ([4]&[5}) in this one sentence stub explain what is happening: [[Delta variant panic]]. The Dems need lockdowns by Oct-Nov. next year to stuff the ballot box again with mail-in ballots for the Midterms.
+::::Bottomline: coronavirus and its variants are permanently with the human species now, like polio, Ebola, the common cold, etc. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 03:26, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
+== DOJ agrees to release Trump's taxes ==
+The Biden DOJ has issued a memo directing the IRS to provide Trump's tax returns to a trio of congressional committees that have subpoenaed them.[https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trump-urged-justice-dept-overturn-vote-results-house-panel-chair-2021-07-30/] This case went before the U.S. Supreme Court in July 2020. The court ruled that a sitting U.S. president could be exempt because of separation of powers concerns. To overrule the court and release the returns anyway is a partisan exercise. The next time Republicans gain control of either the House or the Senate, they should subpoena the tax returns of Pelosi and the other Dem leaders. Hey, no separation of powers or constitutional issue there.
+There are of course financial disclosure laws for presidential candidates. But these do not require the release of tax returns. So why do candidates release them? This is often seen as a "good government" issue. But that's not actually the reason candidates do it. Back in 1973, someone at the IRS leaked Nixon's returns. Since that time, candidates have figured that they are better off releasing their returns themselves. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:13, August 1, 2021 (EDT)
+== Paul Roberts Denialism ==
+Why are the deranged views of Paul Roberts being promoted on the Main Page? He uses the same warped criticism of Covid vaccines as he does for holocaust denial. Is this the slippery slope Conservapedia wants to pursue? [https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2019/05/15/the-lies-about-world-war-ii/]
+:I see Roberts is also a 9/11 Truther.[https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2019/01/04/9-11-finally-the-truth-comes-out/] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 15:41, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
+::Roberts' record speaks for itself.  He was United States Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy under Reagan and helped defeat the Soviet Union and end the Cold War. He's seen the Deep State close up, and never became part of it. Does he hold some controversial views? Perhaps. Will leftist smears and MSM rot destroy him? I think not. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup>
+::Roberts had a big hand in crafting the economic recovery Russia and the United States have endured since 1981, freeing both economies from the leftist totalitarian stranglehold both economies suffered from the 1930s on (and in the case of Russia, before).  Roberts was Treasury Undersecretary during the Reagan defense buildup (which gave us internet, cell phones, etc., and Democrats said would never work), while the KGB's only response was [[global warming hoax]] propaganda and Marxist infiltration of American public schools.  In many ways, Roberts is an architect of the modern world. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:36, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
+::Roberts is not some punk Millenial shooting from the hip Twitter blather on public policy. Roberts speaks from experience, even before Trump, that a man can go to Washington, affect public policy and alter the disastrous course leftists have set for the planet, and remain independent, uncontaminated by Deep State bureaucrats and technocrats.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:49, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
+::Look what Wikipedia says:
+:::''Roberts has expressed skepticism at the ability of government to lower taxes and decrease regulation, positing that the personal political ambition of officeholders tends to promote meddling in the economy, a criticism he has directed even at the former Reagan administration of which he was a part.[22]
+:::''Ron Hira of the Economic Policy Institute has described Roberts as '''one of the first prominent economists to "break from the orthodoxy" by opposing offshoring; Roberts believes that the practice is "lethal for America's future".[23] According to him, "a country that doesn't make anything doesn’t need a financial sector as there is nothing to finance"'''.[24] In 2004, Paul Blustein in the Washington Post described him as heretical in relation to mainstream US economics for challenging the positive impact of free trade.[25]
+::Wow. Prophetic. It was the Clinton globalists who sold us out to China and [[NAFTA]]. But it was Roberts in the Reagan era who championed new technology and "high technology" before the words "high tech" came into existence. Those spinoffs to the consumer market became internet and cell phones (in the parlance of  the 1980s, it was known as "Tax cuts for R & D ", which the communist Democrats and MSM called "tax cuts for business" and "tax cuts for the rich". If not for Paul Roberts, you'd still be licking postage stamps). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:13, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Yes, Roberts has such experience. But many of his political views are absolutely horrid. Go spend some time on his website and you'll see what I (and PeterKa) are talking about.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 20:33, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Yes, I'm very familiar with it. And yes, I take umbrage with some of his historical interpretations and understanding, ''vis a vis'' American history and World War II. Coming from the field of history, however, I won't criticize him for publishing the research - that needs to be done in the field of history - it is the nature of the craft. I'm weary of arguments often that go, "this disproves this or that". History is a field that just needs compilation, and readers can take their own conclusions, IMO. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:01, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Brief comment on Robert's essay linked above: It is an historical consensus in Germany and the West that Hitler wanted World War II to begin over the [[Sudeten crisis]]. He was robbed of his war, and knew it. Hitler knew the delay of one year only gave more time to the U.S., Soviet Union, and Great Britain to prepare for a war they all knew was inevitable. Had Hitler had his war in 1938, the outcome most certainly could have been different.
+::::This leads to a discussion about what German historians call Functionalism vs. Intentionalism. Why did Hitler begin a war he knew he would lose? Intentionalism is the answer. Hitler never expected to conquer the Soviet Union, he intended to bring about the Holocaust.
+::::As to the Churchill/Stalin alliance that FDR used to preserve capitalist [[Imperialism]], that's another matter which Roberts, unfortunately, co-mingles with Intentionalism. That's all that I can be say on that matter. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:32, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::So you are pro-appeasement? If the war had started in 1938, the allies would have started with the Sudeten fortresses, which would have put Hitler at a disadvantage. Hitler may have been eager for war, but his generals were ready to stage a coup to prevent it. Roberts calls neo-Nazi David Irving "without any doubt the best historian of the European part of World War II." Here is a video on Irving by Tik, my favorite WWII blogger: "[https://youtu.be/VsLW7VrOpA8 David Irving - Can you trust ANYTHING he wrote?]"
+:::::When Obama made his deal with Iran, critics compared him to Chamberlain. The liberal media responded by bringing up all the old arguments for appeasement. The trick is to ignore the Sudeten fortresses and pretend that Chamberlain sacrificed nothing of value at the Munich conference. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 11:48, August 3, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::I am foresquare an intentionalist. In 1938, Hitler had a chance of securing his ''Lebensraum'' in Chechoslovakia, Poland and modern Belarus in a wider war.  The war may have lasted to 1950 or 1952.  By 1939, it was a gamble. The war was lost by February 1942. Hitler knew it, basically everybody knew it.  So the remainder of the time was used in his extermination campaign - which was his intention all along, win or lose.
+::::::Appeasement, in retrospect, worked out. It became a dirty word, and was the cause of the U.S. involvement in Korea and Vietnam. In retrospect again, it was just the political rhetoric of the day.  As Clausewitz said, if it is to your opponent's advantage to attack now, it is to your disadvantage to be attacked. In war, there has to be a mutual agreement to fight.
+::::::The United States and most of the planet are appeasing China right now.
+::::::As to Irving, never read him, but understand the jist of his argument. He's a functionalist. Yes, it is true, the British Empire went out of business 7 years after their finest hour.  Basically, Hitler never understood why Britain was fighting against him.  He always felt Germany and England should be natural allies, both racially and as capitalists, against Soviet communism.  Bottomline: WWII cost Britain its empire, if you want to call that victory. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:49, August 3, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::[http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=13742 Appeasement didn't work out so well back in 2004 with the Spaniards after the Muslims conducted their terror attack, nor did it work in Vichy France]. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 20:50, August 14, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::Much is overblown about the 1938 Appeasement because much has been written about it. A little more than 15 years later, it was critics of the [[Munich pact]] that caused the UN to draw the line at the 38th parallel in Korea - without calculating the consequences. Both sides were known to have nuclear weapons, yet that consideration doesn't seem to have entered into the decision to go to war. Let me stress again, in war, there must be a [http://www.clausewitz.com/readings/Compare/OnWar1873/BK4ch08.html mutual agreement to fight].
+:::::::::In the Second World War, the best illustration of this mutual understanding to fight was the war in North Africa, which accomplished little or nothing, consumed manpower and material, over territory nobody wanted.  Gen. MacArthur was a huge critic of the North Africa campaign, claiming the wasted resources there should have been given to him to fight the Japanese in the Pacific. (Does anyone really believe Hitler wanted ''Lebensraum'' in Libya?)
+:::::::::By the time Hitler made his January 30, 1939 Reichstag speech, he knew his chance of winning a world war was less than a coin toss, and he was daring the West (Britain and France at that time) to ''not'' appease him one more time - and ultimately trying to share the blame or the guilt for his decision to move ahead with a "Final Solution" if they declared war.  That was the purpose of announcing it publicly.
+:::::::::So let me be clear on my view - which I think is born out by historical facts. The 1938 Appeasement was not a standing policy. It was flexible, that could be changed in short order.  Yet post-war writers and foreign policy experts treated it as if it was a policy written in stone, and forever to be avoided in the future.  Why then did the West appease Xi Jinping when he just committed the same "Crimes Against Peace" and International Law last year that the Nuremberg defendants were accused of? or Putin did in 2014 in Crimea? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:17, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::The United States abandoned its policy of "not appeasing aggressors" in 2004 when it granted China [[Most Favored Nation]] trade status, after the Tiananmen massacre, knowing full well that there not only were no reforms, but Uyghur concentration camps and the slaughter of [[Falun Gong]] was ongoing. How now, do we walk back such bad decisions? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:43, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::Yeah, and it was a mistake that we did that back in 2004, that much I'll agree on. However, that still doesn't change that appeasement should NEVER be embraced, not even as a temporary measure (ie, flexible and to be changed in short order), especially when we've had far too many "flexible and to be changed in short order" strategies that became permanent (case in point, the lockdowns, social distancing, and masks, also the income tax) as it is. If you ask me, we should have gone down Xi Jinping's throat. Not that I even care about International Law violations at this point since we clearly didn't go after Stalin or Mao or Ho Chi Minh or any of those guys (and if anything, international law went against US during those times). In fact, the only country that I can think of that DID have international law actually applied to them was Cambodia for Pol Pot's genocides, and that was well after the fact. I'd even argue International Law was a mistake that shouldn't exist precisely because it rarely gets enforced (heck, Sartre technically committed crimes against peace by pretty much deliberately aiding in instigating Pol Pot's genocide and they reacted with chirping crickets). Che Guevara, BTW, blatantly admitted in 1964 to committing crimes against peace and international law in 1964 with that stump speech right to the UN's face, and not only did they not arrest him, they if anything cheered for him. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 05:37, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::The "never appease an aggressor" stance is just playing neighborhood tuff guy and bully. It's like when your little brother comes home all beat up, and you go out and beat up whoever did it, only to discover afterward he threw a rock through their window first.
+::::::::::::The question of International Law is interesting. Germany did not have a lot of colonies, nor was very familiar with the Law of the High Seas, and many Germans before and during both World Wars argued that there was no such thing as "international law".  The failed League of Nations made the case even stronger.  But the Atlantic Charter (Angelo American alliance), the Nuremberg Tribunal, and the establishment of the UN pretty well ended that debate.
+::::::::::::You really have to pick your fights. Japan tried to knock out the US with one punch at Pearl Harbor. When the sleeping giant awoke, there was now a mutual agreement to fight.  Midway, like Stalingrad, decided the outcome of the war for Japan. And that was only 6 months after Pearl Harbor (Midway, incidentally, I always think of as the day the U.S. became a superpower, and never looked back until now).
+::::::::::::Now a friend of mine, a veteran of WWII, told me Japan's big mistake was attacking the U.S..  That Japan should have just focused on driving the Brits out of the Pacific (Hong Kong, Indonesia, Singapore).  Had that happened, the outcome for Japan and Germany could have been very different.
+::::::::::::As a hegemon or Superpower, you always have to be on your toes not to fall for any provocation, which both your allies and enemies are always trying to get you involved in.
+::::::::::::Bottomline, nowadays we respond to aggression with "targetted sanctions" rather than direct military force.  Is it effective? In the long run, probably not.  These international agreements need to be reworked. I'm with Putin, we need a Yalta II Summit, and India should be given a permanent seat on the U.N. Security Council.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 06:41, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::I wouldn't even say it ended the debate, especially when the UN basically became a front for the Soviet Union even with the Korean War, to say little about how they consistently aided the communists and far-left policies even after the Soviet Union fell, and conveniently turned a blind eye to, say, Nelson Mandela's terrorism. Had international law truly meant anything, they'd haul Mandela's sorry butt to Stockholm and found him guilty of war crimes and terrorism, for example. As far as never appease an aggressor, actually, that's not even close to bully talk, it's how you're supposed to deal with bullies if anything, never appease them. When you give bullies an inch, you give them a mile. In fact, what Bill Clinton did with al Qaeda during the 1990s WAS flat out appeasement, where he repeatedly turned down any attempts at dealing with Osama bin Laden, which eventually culminated in 9/11 and thus our even NEEDING to go to Afghanistan in the first place. Personally, our biggest mistake during World War II short of allying ourselves with Stalin was allying ourselves with Mao Zedong and stupidly letting him take control of China. Even New American had a huge call out on both Vinegar Joe and George Marshall for their bungling China. Had we just backed Pai Chek instead of Zedong, China probably won't be Communist to this day. Heck, we might have had a chance of averting the Yalta Conference resulting in Eastern Europe being turned communist had China avoided becoming communist. Heck, had we just assassinated Vladimir Lenin before he boarded that train in Germany, we wouldn't have either the USSR OR Nazi Germany (in fact, part of the reason why the Nazis were formed was in part due to Lenin and his antics, including his trying to do a huge invasion of Germany [yes, it was Germany he was targeting, not Poland. He was simply stopped there]). Marx's goals would have ended right then and there. All the Christian blood spilt by those commie jerks, was ultimately on us, because we failed to act decisively in stopping them, and in worse case scenario ended up if anything aiding them. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 09:25, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::Actually, it was [[Susan Rice]] in the Clinton White House who protected bin Laden, you know, the same Susan Rice whom Ric Grenell calls the 'shadow president' today.  Allen Dullas, who ran State Dept. operations in Zurich in 1917 tells a funny story how one day he had a lunch date with a girl and was getting ready to leave when his secretary told him there was a visitor asking to see him. He peaked into the waiting room, saw a bald guy, and told his secretary to tell him to come back later so he wouldn't miss his lunch date.  The man never came back. Sometime shortly afterward he saw his picture in the newspaper declaring the Soviet state in Moscow.  And we now know it was [[Harry Dexter White]] who lost China. The problem was, he died almost two years before Republicans got around to asking "''Who lost China?"''  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 09:45, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::As to the point about the Sudeten fortresses, they are indeed valid. The war Hitler wanted in 1938 (''Hitler's War'', so to speak) would not have been a ''frische und fröhliche krieg'', as is often portrayed then and now. It would have been World War II, spilling over borders and engulfing neighboring countries.  Appeasement - deciding to delay confrontation til a more opportune time, was the best decision. Political infighting in [[the West]] over such a stupid mainstream media and public relations term is what led to anti-appeasement policies, leading Washington D.C. politicians blindly into unending wars in Korea and Vietnam (so-called "Cold warriors" and "hardline hawks".  Anti-appeasement sentiment is what built the military-industrial complex, which Ike himself rebelled against and Roberts has carried on the same tradition. Ironic, it is, that Ike, Trump, George Soros, and Paul Craig Roberts all see the death of America as bound up with its commitment to the military-industrial complex, U.S. hegemony, and the American empire).  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 13:48, August 4, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::Roberts does have valid points regarding American imperialism and its resulting crimes, yes. In that regard, he and I are very similar (ironic, given your obviously very different opinions of him and I). But what really turns me off about him is not just his reprehensible positions on WWII and the Holocaust, but also his many foreign policy advisories to countries like China, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Syria, Venezuela, and on at least one occasion ISIS. His disdain for American imperialism has mutated into hatred for the US itself, and now he's actively rooting for the other side to take retaliatory measures against the US, whatever the cost.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 12:04, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::For further clarification, here's the difference between him and I when if comes to opposing American imperialism. I'm the person who would go from "no war" to either "end the war" or "win the war" when a cold conflict becomes hot. He's the person who would go from "no war" to "I hope we lose" and "death to America" when a cold conflict becomes hot. Sometimes, the less prominent differences matter.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 12:04, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::So, in other words, from what you say, Roberts is exactly like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv9Jq_mCJEo George Lucas] when he modeled the Rebel Alliance after the Vietcong and made no secret in wanting America to lose the Vietnam War? [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 08:04, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::You have no idea what his "position" on the Holocaust is. In fact, you have no idea what David Irvings's "position" on the Holocaust is, either.  16:09, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::Roberts is an economist, not a political commentator. He's in his 80s now, and sometimes, rarely, he comments on contemporary events. He writes occasional essays or reviews on historical publications. His basic philosophy comes thru, that government is a bad thing, not a good thing, and the modern world is insane for adopting the 20th century view, under Karl Marx and later the New Deal, that government is benevolent. It is precisely this view that led idiots (Dr. Fauci, for example) to trust in the benevolence of the [[PLA]] and the Communist slave masters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:19, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::I'll grant you Fauci as well as the New Deal bit regarding viewing government as inherently benevolent and being stupid as a result, but Marx NEVER viewed government as benevolent, he viewed it as something to be destroyed alongside any class distinctions. Let's not forget, he advocated for a classless, '''stateless''' society, and last I checked, government IS the state. It's why those who are for the expansion of government are called "statists." Heck, he wanted an even gorier reenactment of the reign of terror by Robespierre, and it's unlikely he wouldn't have known about, say [https://web.archive.org/web/20050309031846/https://culturewars.com/CultureWars/Archives/Fidelity_archives/parricide.html Grignon's orders at the Vendee] due to his explicit admission he wanted revolutionary terror and didn't care if he was viewed as a monster after the fact. To sum it all up, Marx was not for government at all, he if anything was closer to an anarchist like Bakunin, with the only difference being HOW to implement it (it's the same difference as Hillary Clinton's infiltration style of revolution over Alinsky's more overt take down of society). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 08:02, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::You're right. I overstated the point. But you'll probably agree there are few people who can articulate Marx's vision as clearly as you did, let alone understand it. And virtually everybody, beginning with socialists themselves, all claim Socialism has never been achieved anywhere (witnesses the denials that the USSR was neither Socialist or Communist). Better than 95% of the people who wear or have worn the label of socialist are not really seeking a classless society, they want a sugar daddy to take care of them. 08:47, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::It's also the reason why I absolutely refuse to buy the claim that anarchists are right-wing, fitting as well as Nazis (in fact, I'd even argue that totalitarianism and anarchism are two sides of the exact same coin). And I wouldn't be too sure about that claim about their motives. I've heard of a few socialists who outright advocate murdering their own daddies as part of the revolution, making it extremely unlikely they'd want sugar daddies. Case in point, Bill Ayers. And I'd argue their motivations are in fact closer to what [https://youtu.be/NWcUKpePyf0?t=37 Joker tried to do in Injustice 2's Joker ending], not simply having a sugar daddy. The closest thing to a truly accurate picture of right vs. left in my view is more like pure secular government (if government is even to be considered on both sides, otherwise just stick with society) with absolutely no god on the left, and theocratic government ruled directly by God and Jesus alone on the right. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 05:48, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::That's a very clear and astute observation about totalitarianism/anarchism, and I thank you for it. My only reservation is that totalitarianism can be more enduring, whereas anarchism generally is only a temporary state.  As to the theocratic vs. secular argument, I'd have to think about that a bit more (Note: when I told User:Conservative that [[desecularization]] is what's happening in Afghanistan right now, he's been a little more quiet on the subject). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 07:31, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::Perhaps you should read this [https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/05/13/the-lies-about-world-war-ii/ article] of Roberts', then.
+:::::::::::Here, he not only contends that there was no written order issued by ''anybody'', much less Hitler, to exterminate the Jews (as if Hitler's [https://www.ushmm.org/learn/timeline-of-events/1939-1941/hitler-speech-to-german-parliament speech] to the Reichstag on January 30, 1939 wasn't enough evidence in itself), he also contends that there were no death camps of any kind and that the gas chambers are a hoax. Oh, he also implies that the war itself was started by a Jewish conspiracy and that the pogroms in occupied Russia were justified because "Jews caused the Holodomor."--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 17:30, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::You are recycling more crap. That is not what any of that says. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:23, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::I will not sit here and listen to criticism of Irving being applied to Roberts. Period. If you wanna discuss David Irving, discuss Irving. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:26, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::And I will give you one warning on this matter, your misrepresentations border on trolling. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:27, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::::My criticisms of Roberts also apply to David Irving. Like Roberts, Irving also denies that there were gas chambers.[https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irving-says-auschwitz-had-no-gas-chambers-1.233455] He wasn't always that way; he acknowledged their existence in the original 1977 edition of ''Hitler's War,'' only to remove them in a 1991 re-issue.[http://fs2.american.edu/dfagel/www/Class%20Readings/History/Evans/Trial%20Report.pdf] Meanwhile, just because Roberts borrows his talking points on this issue from Irving (and likely others) doesn't make them any less reprehensible.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 19:26, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::I don't give a rot what commies say about Roberts.
+::::::::::::Update: Roberts speaks for himself. [https://usawatchdog.com/they-killed-people-for-vaccine-profits-paul-craig-roberts/ They Killed People for Vaccine Profits]. He calls 'em as he sees 'em. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:22, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::Actually, some (or perhaps a lot of) commies love Roberts. Why else do you think he's promoted on sites like [https://www.counterpunch.org/author/pcg/ Counterpunch] and [https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/CIA-Behind-France-Attacks-Says-Ex-White-House-Official-20150111-0010.html Telesur]? Oh, and here's an [https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/04/08/where-are-marx-and-lenin-when-we-need-them-paul-craig-roberts/ article] where he praises both Marx ''and'' Lenin, and cites a site called "marxist.com" to back his talking points.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 19:26, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::Looks like historical research to me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:40, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::::There's research, and then there's conclusions.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 20:01, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::::That's right. And your lame efforts to impugn Roberts as a holocaust denier is a faulty conclusion. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:21, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::::::::How is denying the existence of the gas chambers not Holocaust denial?--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 20:34, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::::::::::You will get blocked for trolling if you persist. Give one piece of evidence, right now, that Paul Craig Roberts ever said the gas chambers used in the Holocaust did not, or do not exist. Are these instructions clear? Roberts. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:45, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+===Irving===
+In this [https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/05/13/the-lies-about-world-war-ii/ article], Roberts restates what he believes are Irving's conclusions and does nothing to refute them, while also commending him as someone who is being persecuted for telling the truth. These conclusions include strong implications that the gas chambers did not exist.
+Then, in [https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/12/08/the-holocaust-2/ another article] published several months later, Roberts responds to criticism of the previous one by condemning the Holocaust story as a "dogma" that is "inconsistent with free society;" and at the end he links to an article by Ron Unz, who appears to be even more adamant in his Holocaust denial than Irving. Meanwhile, in the same article Roberts makes no effort whatsoever to clarify his own position, instead saying that what matters is that the Holocaust be a subject of debate, while also saying that the 'Zionist's refusal to allow debate' is a sign that the 'official story' is indeed a hoax. I don't know about you, but my conclusion here is that all of this points to Roberts either being a Holocaust denier himself, or just being really, ''really'' bad at conveying his opinion on "dogmas."--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 22:14, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+One more thing. Even if we were to ignore his positions on WWII and the Holocaust, I'm puzzled that you admire Roberts despite his positions on modern geopolitics being much more radical than my own.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 22:28, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:I am running out of patience with your wikipedia crap. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:34, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:A person who points out the plain historical fact that there does not exist a piece of paper, that survived the war, with Hitler's signature on it ordering the extermination of the Jews, is not a neo-Nazi.  22:38, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:Even in the United States, we have such laws guarding presidential prerogatives and classified information. Under U.S. law, a president must issue a [[Presidential Finding]] to initiate covert activity. The Finding can be given orally, however the [[National Security Advisor]] must reduce it to paper within 24 hours. Again, there is no prohibition on the National Security Advisor from destroying his written Presidential Finding later. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:44, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:Presidential Findings are virtually always on matters of life and death, under the president's sworn responsibility to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution." In the recent Anwar al-Awlaki case, the courts have ruled that an American citizen can be executed witout trial, arrest, counsel, a even a Miranda warning. [https://cornellilj.org/2013/12/19/through-a-drone-darkly/] That [[due process]] is served by a Presidential Finding, even if it remains classified, it was given orally, or no paper trail exists.
+:Now, this in no way is any sort of argument or justification saying that Hitler's orders were legal. The point being made is simply that it is virtually impossible to find a written paper trail linking Obama to the death of Anwar al-Awlaki.
+:With Irving, the definition of "holocaust denier" was stretched from its original meaning assigned to Arthur Butz when ''Hoax of the 20th Century'' appeared in 1976, to say anyone who wasn't satisfied with the written documentation Lucy Dawidowicz unearthed in her ''Holocaust Reader'', including Goering's Commission to Hyderich, the Minutes of the Wannsee Conference, coupled with the ''Borman Notes'' (also known as ''Table Talk''), all point to one irredeemable conclusion: Hitler ordered the extermination of the Jews.
+:History is essentially concerned with written documentation. The sources cited in the above paragraph supply that written documentation. Even oral history must be written down at some point. Anything other than written documentation about the past, belongs to the fields of Archeology or Anthropology.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:20, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::I did not at any point call anybody a neo-Nazi. I called some people Holocaust deniers, but I did not call them neo-Nazis. Indeed, you don't have to be a neo-Nazi to be a Holocaust denier. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/ahmadinejad-says-holocaust-denial-was-his-major-achievement/ Just ask Mahmoud Ahmadinejad]. And I honestly couldn't care less about the existence of a written order for genocide, or the lack thereof. Written order or no written order, it's clear that Hitler wanted the Holocaust to happen, given his [https://www.ushmm.org/learn/timeline-of-events/1939-1941/hitler-speech-to-german-parliament speech] to the Reichstag on January 30, 1939.
+::Meanwhile, that specific issue is not even among the reasons I concluded that Irving, Roberts, and Unz are all Holocaust deniers. I concluded Irving is a Holocaust denial because of his explicit statements denying the existence of gas chambers, and his removal of all references to the Holocaust from later editions of ''Hitler's War.'' I concluded that Roberts is a Holocaust denier because of his general endorsement of Irving's work, his repeated refusal to rebut any of Irving's claims, and his linking to Unz's article. And I concluded that Unz is a Holocaust denier because he flat out stated in his article that he wouldn't be surprised if the "official story" was entirely false.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 23:25, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Well, the only evidence you produced for that statement on Irving (which you are attempting to smear Roberts with), is the ''Irish Times''. I'd need to see the trial transcript.
+:::As to the ''Irish Times'', we can apply a very simple test:
+:::*Has the ''Irish Times'' at anytime in the past 5 years implied anything about [[Trump-Russia collusion]]?
+:::*Has the ''Irish Times'' in the past 18 months implied anything about the [[coronavirus]] coming from people eating bats?
+:::If so, I say take the ''Irish Times'' and stick it where the sun don't shine, which I'd advise against cause there are rectal receptors that can absorb poisons into the bloodstream.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:39, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::::First off, I provided a second source regarding Irving. I'll re-post the [http://fs2.american.edu/dfagel/www/Class%20Readings/History/Evans/Trial%20Report.pdf link] here.
+::::And second, the ''Irish Times'' article was published in 2000. If you want to assess the credibility of that article, then you need to assess the credibility of the ''Irish Times'' circa 2000, not circa 2016-21.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 23:48, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Okay, I leafed through enough of the 355-page report see that it is allegations. I'd need to see pages 162 and 179 of Irving's 1977 book.
+:::::The ''Irish Times'' is no substitute for Irvings own words at trial. Especially if you want to leave the ''Times'' unqualified. 23:57, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Here's an even simpler test: Has the ''Irish Times'' republished anything from ''NYT'', ''WaPo'', or the ''AP'' in the past 6 years? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:00, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::All you've done thus far is present a sort of ''Steele dossier'' as evidence, whereas, where are the damning passages in Irving's own words? I've never read Irving, don't care to, and have no reason or need to. Roberts put great stock in him cause Irving evidently has studied more primary source material than either me or Roberts.  It's no secret the Germans tried to keep the Holocaust secret, which is ''NYT'''s defense now. But I've never seen any direct excerpts from Irving's text for the 20-odd years this controversy has been ongoing. And Irving himself has been canceled so he can't defend himself. So all I'm left with is allegations from many sources, without the direct text, from critics who many themselves are questionable.
+:::::So Roberts, like Chomsky and Finkelstein, criticizes Zionists, which of course is all the rage now from Bernie Sanders, AOC, and the Biden State Department.  Does that make them neo-Nazi holocaust deniers, too?  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:16, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::I don't know which source you looked at, but I looked at the actual transcript of the trial, and its content confirms what is in the ''Irish Times'' report. The link to the transcript is [https://www.hdot.org/day02/# here]. The most damning parts are (1) Pages 229 line 17 through 230 line 5; and Page 237 lines 7 through 11. Note that the page numbers are at the ''bottom'' of the pages; if you find the page numbers and then scroll down rather than up you ''will'' get lost.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 13:49, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
+<-----
+Okay, I read a little bit more starting around the point you suggested and beyond, enough to gain the context. And yes, I am familiar with the historiographic context under discussion. The word "holocaust" did not enter the historiographic lexicon until after 1976, assigned to events 30 years prior. The words "Final Solution" is what appears in the primary source documents.
+The Nuremberg Indictment, which appeared some eight months after V-E Day, estimated some 5,710,000 or 5,720,000 murdered from all parts of Europe, as far away as Ukraine. Over the next 30 years, this figure was rounded up in common parlance to 6 million. Some dispute remained that figure was too low, and may not have included the actions of Einsatzgruppen, for example. The ''New York Times'' reported on the liberation of Auschwitz before the war's end, quoting Russian Generals as saying possibly 1 or 2 million perished at Auschwitz.  Recently I read somewhere that 1.1 million were murdered at Auschwitz ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp Wikipedia: 1.1 million]), which surprised me cause I thought the number may have been too low.  That is what is being discussed at p. 235 line 23 to p. 236 line 2, "The millions in gas chambers".
+Here's the full context:
+:23  Q. [Mr Rampton]: Let us get back to the present. Which of those elements
+:24  in that statement “factories”, plural, “of death with gas
+:25  chambers”, plural, “in which they liquidated millions”,
+:26  plural, “of their opponents”, which of those elements do
+       P-236
+:1  you still deny
+:2  A. [Mr Irving]: The millions in gas chambers
+So, by this definition, Wikipedia and all its editors of the Auschwitz article are holocaust deniers.
+Now, the "factories of death", Sobibor, Treblinka, etc., many did not have gas chambers, and the few that did have much smaller gas chambers than Auschwitz, could not have made up the difference of 700k to 900k to bring total of 2 million (plural) for the statement "millions perished in gas chambers".
+Wikipedia is either corroborating David Irving, or using David Irving as a source.
+Back to the point about the number cited in the Nuremberg Indictment. That figure has been researched thoroughly and considered amazingly accurate, given the short time Nuremberg prosecutors had, and under the conditions at the time.
+Obviously, much more can be said on this subject. The problem basically is, for historiographic purposes, imposing a lexicon written 30 years after the fact which doesn't appear in the primary source documents. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:26, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
+:What about this section [https://www.hdot.org/day02/ here]?
+::13  Q. [Mr Rampton]: We have touched upon Mr Liechter. We are going to grapple
+::14  with him much more extensively next week. We have touched
+::15  upon Mr Liechter and it has led you to this conclusion
+::16  that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, is it not?
+::17  I use the historic present. It was Mr Liechter’s report
+::18  and the bit about the laboratory tests which converted you
+::19  into disbelief that there were gas chambers at Auschwitz,
+::20  is that right
+::21  A. [Mr Irving]: That is correct
+::22  Q. [Mr Rampton]: Is that is correct. As a consequence of that, you have
+::23  come to believe, perhaps it was a matter of protest,
+::24  perhaps not, I do not know, that the Nazis did not use gas
+::25  chambers for the extermination of Jews let alone millions
+::26  of Jews
+::
+:::P-255
+::1  A. [Mr Irving]: Yes, I have become very sceptical of that element of the
+::2  story
+::
+:::P-256
+::
+:In this section, Irving confirms that he is a skeptic about the existence of any kind of gas chambers at Auschwitz, citing the "Leuchter Report" (more info on that [http://auschwitz.org/en/history/holocaust-denial/leuchter-report here]).--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 17:15, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+::Even Hugh Trevor Roper was hoaxed by the ''Hitler Diaries'' circa the same time (1982?), which was just your everyday run-of-the-mill mainstream media hoax. The Leuchter Report was "current scholarship" in 1991 when Irving removed the phrase from his book. The fact that ten years later he remained "very skeptical" I have no explanation for.
+::So now we're into degrees of denialism. What is the difference between being very skeptical and outright denialism? Is there a midground like "Holocaust agnosticism"? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup>
+:::Now ''that'' is an interesting question. Not just in the context of the Holocaust but also in the context of other topics (namely religion). Personally, I do consider agnostics to be deniers, in both contexts.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 18:38, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+Now, let me restate a fact about Intentionalism: after the defeat at Stalingrad and the German armies were in full retreat, trains were used for transport of Jews to death camps, and not to facilitate the retreat of soldiers. What does Irving say about this?  That, it seems to me, would be the issue with Irving, not the lame barking up the wrong tree, parsing of post-1976 historiography versus the original primary source documents.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:51, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
+::I can't find his position on that subjet in the trial transcripts. Feel free to double-check for me, if you have a browser with a word-searcher like I do.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 17:15, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Yes, probably because it was never asked. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:52, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Let's return to the timeline. Quoted below it says, "the first death camps became operational in late 1941". The surrender at Stalingrad was February 10, 1942.  From that point on the extermination campaign became priority. It was not incidental to the war and occupation in the East.  For the entirety of 1942 and 1943 (the period usually referred to in many histories and videos as the period of "Total War"), trains were expedited for transport of Jews from ghetto collection points to death camps, and not for the evacuation of soldiers, many of them on foot, from the East.
+:::This is the cap and the seal on Intentionalism, along with all the other evidence, beginning with the January 30, 1939 Reichstag speech. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:26, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Let me summarize and simplify this incredibly complex subject in as few of my own words as possible. World War II, the "Total War", and Holocaust was basically a hostage situation where all the hostages were killed. Beginning with the January 30, 1939 speech, Hitler was saying, "If I don't get my way, I'm going to kill all the hostages." When war broke out in Sept 1939, Hitler remained true to his pledge (the so-called "Holocaust by bullet").  When Hitler lost the war at Stalingrad, he accelerated the program which became more efficient after 2 1/2 years already.
+:::This even explains Hitler's inexplicable decision to declare war in the United States in December 1941; Hitler knew he was losing the war, and was going to lose the war. He declared war on the U.S. to bring about a truly overall World War and state of confusion, to hide his actions and motives in the fog of war.
+:::Functionalists do not have a leg to stand on. Hitler was denied his war in 1938 (which not having read Irving, presumably is what Irving references as ''Hitler's War'', which never was fought).  The war after September 1939, when Britain and France declared war, was a hostage situation that Hitler used to take his revenge, having been cheated out of his designs to secure permanent ''Lebensraum'' in 1938. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:16, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+::Let's continue this analysis of intentionalism briefly. What Hitler wanted to happen in 1938 and 1939 is the opposite of what actually did happen. In 1938, when Hitler moved into the Sudetenland, Hitler wanted Britain, France, and the USSR (or some combination) to declare war. In 1939, he hoped they would appease and sit idle, and the division of Poland would be peaceful like a year earlier in Czechoslovakia. These two events were interspersed with his January 30, 1939 threat to kill all the hostages if he wasn't appeased again. The takeover of Poland, accomplished as quickly as Czechoslovakia, was followed by the Sitzkrieg or Phony War, where some didn't even believe that there would be any fighting in 1940.
+::So, if you flip the events of 1938 and 1939 in your mind's eye, you see what some now call ''Hitler's War'' or Hitler's strategy. Whether Hitler intended to implement a "Final Solution" at the time of the Sudeten Crisis is a matter of speculation. Personally, I think not, but likely some other form of forced removal and possibly ultimately pogroms. But having been robbed of his war in 1938, in January of 1939 he made up his mind (intentionalism) to move forward with a "Final Solution" if the Brits & French declared war. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:04, August 14, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Much of this analysis is important today in viewing Hong Kong and Taiwan and the similarities to Czechoslovakia and Poland. Now, you may say 'I don't see the parallels.' Fine. You may not see it, but I assure you military planners the world over are making the same calculations the Nazis, British, French, Soviet, and American military strategists and planners were making between 1938 and 1939. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:18, August 14, 2021 (EDT)
+===Irving, part 2===
+Now, here's an excerpted transcript from a popular Youtube video with 5 million hits: [https://youtu.be/RR0R7zsd7D8?t=154]
+{{quotebox|"When most people think of the Holocaust, the first thing that comes to mind are the horrors of Nazi extermination camps like Auschwitz and Treblinka, where millions of European Jews were systematically murdered in specially designed gas chambers and crematoria. However, there are many more stages and elements to the Holocaust than just the Nazi death camps. In fact, by the time the first death camps became operational in late 1941, the Holocaust had already been occurring for at least three years and an estimated '''two to four million people''' had already been killed in what is referred to by historians as the Holocaust by bullet.}}
+Question: Is this denialism?  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 05:31, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+:No, it's not. It's very easy to reconcile this statement with the facts regarding what occured post-1941 (especially if you use the lower number of pre-1942 deaths).--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 17:15, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+::Let's not allow this discussion to wander all over the map. So far it's been very positive.  Let me be clear, I am not attempting to defend Irving. But I think both of us are familiar enough with the core issues to answer this question:
+::Is the statement, "6 million Jews were killed in gas chambers" a true or false statement?  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:57, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Of course that's a false statement. 6 million Jews did die in the Holocaust, and many of them did die in gas chambers, but not ''all'' of them died in gas chambers. The Nazis employed several other ways to kill them, as we all know.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 18:38, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Okay. That's the whole point with Irving, in my humble speculation. His 1977 book appeared at the time that the historiographic consensus came to be replacing the offensive term, "Final Solution", with "Holocaust" ("History is written by the victors.") His 1977 book incorporated the revised term, "holocaust".  His 1991 reissue expunged the term "holocaust."  Between 1976 and 1991, much Holocaust literature, and even Holocaust Studies at the University level were teaching "6 million Jews died in gas chambers."
+::::Those, I assume to be facts. And I would further speculate that Irving, like Finkelstein and Chomsky, rebelled against the so-called "holocaust industry" that grew up between 1976 and 1991. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:13, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+===Global elites===
+Roberts rages against global elites. It was the diplomats, not the military, that caused World War I and loss of 5 million lives. That's why Wilson proposed the League of Nations as a reform measure, so global elites could keep talking 24/7 round the clock and get to know each other better. Hitler was excluded from the Club, and never invited to Paris or any summit, which only increased his suspicion of a conspiracy against Germany.
+A word on "denialism": there are two types, (1) denial that the Holocaust occurred or was technologically feasible (originally articulated by Herman Goering at Nuremberg), and (2) denial that Hitler ordered it.  Most people who toss the term around today have no idea what Functionalism is.  A so-called "denier" can say yes, the Holocaust occurred, but we can't find a paper trail linking Hitler to it (which is essentially Irving and the school of Functionalism's argument).  The timeline of events, and the conversations recorded in ''Hitler's Table Talk'' in July 1942 (after the defeat at Stalingrad) however, provide the missing "paper trail" that Functionalists or so-called "deniers" claim is missing, and corroborate the Intent to commit genocide.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 09:59, August 4, 2021 (EDT)
+So, having dealt with that question, let's move on to a more relevant question regarding Roberts.  After having destroyed the Soviet Union, and ending the Cold War by securing tax cuts for the rich to develop new technologies with consumer spin-offs, why does Roberts rage so much against the [[military industrial complex]]? And what is his relationship with Russian ''Atlantacists'' and elites? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:39, August 4, 2021 (EDT)
+== Ascent of the RINOs ==
+[[File:Sleeping rhino.jpg|thumb|With the Dems getting more radical all the time, there is no way the sleepy RINOs can appease them. The Bolsheviks turned on their allies the Mensheviks and the Left SRs at Kronstadt, and later on Leon Trotsky, author of the Kronstadt massacre.]] With the rise of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, RINOs are rampant. The endless investigations of Trump were never about his personality, Russia, or his mean tweets. They were always about getting back at America for the 2000 Florida recount, Stacey Abrams, and every other time the Dems lost. See "[https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/08/wake_up_rinos.html Wake up, RINOs]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 13:17, August 3, 2021 (EDT)
+:I don't think it was mostly payback for the 2000 election. It is policy differences that was magnified by Trump's online trolling and combativeness. Matters like: trade policy, ceasing of endless wars, NATO reform, cutting down the administrative state, rejecting climate alarmism, law and order, tax policy, political correctness, confronting fake news, school choice, etc.
+:It's essentially a culture war.
+:Liz Cheney is losing power and not gaining it. The press and Democrats are just squeezing out some anti-Trumpness from her before she leaves office. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:45, August 3, 2021 (EDT)
+::I looked at the American Thinker article. There is some truth to what he said, but I think the 2007/2008 financial crises and its after effects caused populists/extremists on the left/right to grow in a more pronounced way.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:18, August 3, 2021 (EDT)
+:::So we have populist insurrections in both camps, the GOP and DNC, lead by Trump and Bernie Sanders, respectively. The establishment DNC has won their insurrection, albeit it was costly in compromise, and there still is pockets of resistance led by AOC.  In the GOP, the establishment RNC has been fighting back against Trump since his 2016 nomination, but the skirmishes are ongoing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:12, August 4, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Adam Kinzinger's truly pathetic display of self-indulgent lachrymosity at the Capitol riot hearings alone should, by rights, bar him from office.  When did stoicism become so unfashionable?  Did I miss a meeting?  And how long do I have to wait before the anglosphere rediscovers the blindingly obvious moral truth that ''self-indulgence is a form of selfishness'' so its actually a vice, and certainly not evidence of virtue?  -J [[User:Psircleback|Psircleback]] ([[User talk:Psircleback|talk]]) 03:37, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+== CDC extends eviction moratorium, overrides Supreme Court ==
+Who knew the CDC had authority over rents and property? In fact, the Supreme Court just ruled that they don't. Yet the CDC has extended to the eviction moratorium to October 3 on its own authority. All hail CDC head Rochelle P. Walensky! Yesterday she was an obscure bureaucrat. Today she is one of the world's most powerful property moghuls. This is one step further on the road to unconstitutional tyranny than Obama's DACA decision. Biden admits this measure is unconstitutional. Yet he wants to keep it in place while the issue works its way through the courts.
+Finally, I have to say, power to the CDC???? This agency made a hash out of managing the epidemic in every possible way. Thanks to this order, they're on to bigger things. To even ask them about covid, vaccines, or lab leaks seems almost irrelevant in view of their awesome authority. See "[https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/08/03/thanks-to-brett-kavanaugh-we-have-the-very-slippery-slope-of-the-new-cdc-eviction-order-n420932 Thanks to Brett Kavanaugh, We Have the Very Slippery Slope of the New CDC Eviction Order]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:06, August 4, 2021 (EDT)
+:And their decision to extend the eviction moratorium was made apparently to appease the whining far-leftists in Congress. [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/566223-cdc-issues-eviction-moratorium-extension-after-democratic-outcry] —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 00:49, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::So the rule of law is suspended; the [[junta]] is out of the closet. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:39, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Kavanaugh told the CDC to go to Congress if it wanted to extend the moratorium. Biden's strategy is all about putting the blame on the courts rather than on moderate Dems in Congress. See [https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/hey-crazy-left-aim-over-there/ this analysis] by the always excellent Andrew McCarthy. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 17:47, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+::::You can expect the same defiance as the SCOTUS weighs in on various state election audit disputes. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:06, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+== Sarah Palin for Senate? ==
+So far, the news is that [https://nypost.com/2021/07/31/sarah-palin-teases-2022-senate-run-in-alaska/ a Palin bid for Senate is possible]. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 00:58, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:It will be interesting to see if she has the popularity she did when she was the VP candidate for McCain.  Her family has completely fallen apart (she and Todd are divorced, her oldest daughter is what we once called a slut, and her son divorced his wife amidst allegations of domestic violence on his part).  The liberals will certainly use that to mock her (remember, they can divorce without any problem, conservatives can't), but will it hurt her or help her? [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 11:16, August 16, 2021 (EDT)
+== Bruce Poliquin is running for his old seat ==
+[https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/566342-poliquin-announces-bid-to-return-to-congress] If some of you perhaps may not recall, he was defeated in the [[2018 midterms]] by [[Jared Golden]] thanks to [[ranked-choice voting]]. Although Golden was re-elected in 2020, ME-2 is probably Lean R and the House seat may very well flip towards the GOP in the 2022 midterms. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 01:05, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+=="Setback for liberal hypocrisy"==
+As is, this is a double negative. It says setback for critics of liberal hypocrisy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:03, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
+:I think causes are set back, hence it means "there has been a setback to the cause of advancing, encouraging or increasing hypocrisy by and/or among liberals.'  (Hey, if only.)  -J [[User:Psircleback|Psircleback]] ([[User talk:Psircleback|talk]]) 03:01, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+::Right. So this headline reads a positive improvement for liberal hypocrites. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 03:30, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
+== Obama's 60th whacked by covid hysteria ==
+It's a sad day for all of us when a former president can't hold a covid superspreader event at his $12 million Martha's Vineyard estate. "[https://news.yahoo.com/obamas-star-studded-60th-birthday-112222769.html Obama's star-studded 60th birthday party pared back to 'family and close friends' amid Delta surge]." If only Obama had said "No" to the covid hysterics, he would have created space for the rest of us. Now it looks like we're back to masked madness. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:40, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
+:C'mon now, we should commend Obama for his confidence. Remember, the day he was sworn in the oceans stopped rising. So he bought ocean beachfront property on Martha's Vineyard. Thank God, Obama had the courage to show the planet that the global warming hoax, after his swearing-in and presidency, is just that, a hoax. So he's moved on to another hoax now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:50, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
+::Despite the fact that Obama announced that the party was cancelled, hundreds of people showed up at his Martha's Vineyard estate anyway, including Nancy Pelosi. What a clever solution. Obama gets to say the right thing. If people come anyway, the least he can do is be a good host.[https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/08/08/hundreds-at-obama-party-but-one-important-person-got-the-brush-off-n423192]  [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 19:25, August 8, 2021 (EDT)
+:::The problem there is believing anything MSM or Democrat press releases say. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:17, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
+:::So he puts a press release vomited back by CNN, then puts a blast text to his friends and says "Come anyway." What else is new? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:19, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
+== Russia returns to Afghanistan ==
+[[File:Kabul August 16 2021.jpg|right|350px|thumb|A body of an escapee who clung to the landing gear falls while attempting to flee the Taliban takeover.<ref>https://twitter.com/ASLuhn/status/1427270119269539843</ref>]]
+[[File:Kabul 2021.jpg|right|350px|thumb|The author of the [[Violence Against Women Act]] abandoning the women and girls of Afghanistan to the Taliban.]]
+Much of the coverage of Afghanistan is driven by Vietnam analogies. But I think Vietnam is being seriously misremembered. South Vietnam actually stood up quite well for two years after the U.S. pullout. It was only when the U.S. Congress voted to cut military aid from $1.26 billion to $700 million in August 1974 that the country collapsed militarily. The decisive battle was Phuoc Long, which was fought in January 1975. Saigon fell on April 30.
+The media is so clueless about Afghanistan than no one seems to realize that these days the Taliban is a Russian proxy. This is evident from the fact that they are most active in the North. The home base of the old Taliban was Kandahar in the South. The Russians and the Taliban forged an alliance in 2014, around the time of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[https://www.risetopeace.org/2021/08/05/evolving-russian-taliban-relations/risetopece/]
+There has been little good news to report since Biden's pullout. In the last couple of days, the Taliban has captured two provincial capitals, Zaranj in the southwest and Sheberghan in the north. (Afghanistan has 34 provinces.) The government has launched a counterattack in Zaranj, according to the [http://www.afghanistantimes.af/taliban-shadow-governor-tens-of-al-qaeda-terrorists-killed-in-nimroz/ ''Afghanistan Times'']. The U.S. embassy has advised all Americans to leave the country immediately. Meanwhile, the government is recalling the tribal warriors of the 1990s, including Uzbek leader Dostom and Pashtun leader Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:46, August 8, 2021 (EDT)
+:Two more provincial capitals fell today, including Kunduz. This is the most significant loss since the current Taliban offensive started in May. Kunduz is in the northeast, near the border with Tajikistan. In 2001, it was the last Taliban stronghold to fall to the Northern Alliance. Perhaps Putin wants a belt of territory in the north, like the land he seized in eastern Ukraine. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:14, August 8, 2021 (EDT)
+::Given the choice between Russia, the Taliban, and the CCP controlling the global heroin trade (worth $60 billion), I'd opt for Putin. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:21, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
+::Maybe now we have some insight into why Biden lifted sanctions on [[Nord Stream II]] and why the U.S. is importing so much oil from Russia since Biden seized power: maybe it was done on the condition that Putin picks up the slack to prevent the Taliban or CCP taking over the global heroin trade. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:30, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Five provincial capitals in two days suggests that the Taliban could take the whole country in two weeks, if you do the math. But Kabul is a city of 5 million these days, compared to 500,000 in 1996 when the Taliban took it last time. So the government may be able to survive there. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:51, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
+::::That is essentially what happened after the Soviet-Afghan war, too. IMO, it's more telling about the nature of the territory drawn on maps that we call "Afghanistan", than Afghanistan resembling anything near to what we also call a "[[nation state]]". Trying to force the peoples residing in those territories to conform to the rest of the planet's expectation of what is required of a 20th or 21st century nation-state is like trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:41, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Afghanistan has no "national identity." Many of the people living there never heard of Afghanistan. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:46, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Go ahead, try to explain to someone living in Helmond province that they are an "Afghan". Good luck. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:49, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::According to today's ''Wall Street Journal'', the Afghan government holds only the country's four major cities at this point: Kabul, Kandahar, Herat, and Mazar-e-Sharif. Everything except Kabul is either held by the Taliban or being actively contested. It's still a month before Biden's withdrawal deadline, which I was sure would be extended. This issue will get attention when the 20th anniversary of 9/11 rolls around next month. The way things have played out, a lot of that attention will focus on what a mess Biden has made out of Afghanistan. Obama tried this idea in Iraq in 2010, so none of what happened should be a surprise. It was just Qatar financing ISIS whereas the Taliban has Russian backing. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:30, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::The [[Anti-Soviet jihad]] continued after the Russian withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1988 and the collapse of the Soviet Union. Chechen jihadists trained in Afghanistan and took the jihad within Russian Federation borders after 1992. It was veterans of the Chechen jihad that made up the experienced fighters and trainers for ISIS. Of course, the Russians have their own secularized Chechen special forces who they sent into Syria to deal with their fellow countrymen and religious fanatics.
+::::::In the Russian army, although being a minority, Chechens occupy the stereotypical role of the mean drill sergeant in a similar way that many African Americans do in the U.S. army.  Chechen Muslims come from a warrior culture.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 09:37, August 11, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::Today's ''Wall Street Journal'' tries to explain the collapse of the Afghan government forces. It says the 350,000-man regular army won't fight without NATO backup. It just runs away when the Taliban appears. Only the special forces are doing any fighting these days. President Ghani wants the army to fight for every village. But there are less than 30,000 special forces, not enough to hold the entire country. They planned to recruit 30,000 special forces from the beginning. But even after twenty years, they never reached that objective. Everyone expects the Taliban to kill them all. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:09, August 12, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::The U.S. has been eager to abandon Afghanistan for a long time. Obama held an exiting ceremony back in 2014. The holdup was that the Taliban refused to the sign a face saving agreement of the kind that the North Vietnamese did in 1973. The Biden administration is using a deal that Trump signed in February 2020 as cover. That seems pretty desperate. When has Biden given Trump credit for anything? Biden announced the withdrawal in April. Taliban replied in May with a general offensive. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:15, August 12, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::Here's is another answer to the question of why the Taliban could conquer Afghanistan so quickly: [https://redstate.com/holliemckay/2021/08/15/bombshell-taliban-paid-afghan-military-commanders-to-surrender-cities-in-advance-n426890 They probably paid off the regular army commanders]. That's the Afghan way. The article gives several examples of this tactic being used in recent years. After Biden closed Bagram air base at the end of June, these commanders may have figured that a Taliban takeover was only a matter of time. Summer is the fighting season. If Bagram had been closed in the fall, the government would have had a few months to to prepare for the Taliban's next offensive. Everything seems to have been timed for the enemy's convenience. The U.S. military is now infected with CRT believers. It's not hard to imagine that such people are also Taliban sympathizers. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:22, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::So we have a fundamental problem to face. For 20 years, America tried to create a "national identity" in Afghanistan where none existed, while we demonize "[[nationalism]]" here at home as [[racist]]. Without a national identity, society reverts to [[tribalism]]. And do not tell me that Joseph R. Biden does not understand any of this - he called himself a social engineer in his 1975 [[NPR]] interview with David Ensor when he was trying to repeal portions of the [[1964 Civil Rights Act]] - his exact words "we social planners", [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/read-the-transcript-of-the-october-1975-npr-interview-with-sens-joe-biden-and-edward-brooke] spoken by one of the youngest senators in U.S. history. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:14, August 16, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::It wasn't that long ago that the Taliban was locked in a life-or-death struggle with the Islamic State. Trump dropped an enormous bomb on IS to the help the Taliban out. How did 70,000 Taliban defeat 300,000 Afghan National Army soldiers? The army was a lot easier to defeat than IS. The Taliban sent out WhatsApp messages as if they were already in control and give people numbers to surrender to.[https://prestonbyrne.com/2021/08/15/did-america-just-lose-afghanistan-because-of-whatsapp/] No one wants to surrender last. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 13:59, August 16, 2021 (EDT)
+== No covid in mask-free Sweden ==
+What would happen if we didn't panic about covid? Then we would be Sweden. [https://www.rt.com/news/530759-sweden-delta-masks-zero-covid-deaths/ There were eight covid cases in Sweden so far this month]. While American lives are sacrificed for drug company profits and to keep China's secrets, Sweden blossoms under the leadership of epidemiological genius Anders Tegnell. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 13:21, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
+:Remember, the same leftists crying crocodile tears over COVID-19 deaths lied about the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine last year because their top priority was sticking to acute [[TDS]]. If anyone's responsible for the coronavirus deaths, it's ''them''. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Tuesday, 15:37, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
+::There where ''''eight Covid deaths''' in Sweden so far this month. Please read your sources carefully - it is literally in the link you gave! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 16:37, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
+:::We can be a bit more scientific about this. Mask-free Sweden is No. 34 is terms of per capita covid deaths with 1,425 deaths per million while mask-obsessive Czech Republic is No. 4 with 2,846 dpm. The U.S. is No. 21 while Germany in No. 46.[https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:19, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Does Sweden have an excellent contract tracing system for coronavirus infections?
+::::The reason I ask is because developed countries have multilayer defenses against coronavirus spreading within their populations. In other words, there is no silver bullet. You can't expect masks or vaccination or another method to be a bullet proof layer of defense. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:37, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::"Until March 12th 2020 all suspected cases among people travelling from affected areas to Sweden were followed up with sampling and contact tracing." See [https://www.covid19healthsystem.org/countries/sweden/livinghit.aspx?Section=1.4%20Monitoring%20and%20surveillance&Type=Section here]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 18:41, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
+People in [[Nordic]] countries tend to be more educated than much the rest of the world and have higher standards of living (see: [[Protestant cultural legacies]]). Maybe it just comes down to practicing anti-coronavirus common sense measures and less on government mandated behavior. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:47, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
+:Sweden is not mask-free.  Take a look at the pictures in this article: [https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-19-sweden-drops-face-mask-recommendation-never-mandated-them-2021-7 Sweden, noted for its lax COVID-19 response, never mandated face masks. Now it's dropping its vague recommendation to wear one at all.].
+:Just because masks are not mandated, doesn't mean that some people don't wear them.
+:As far as their low coronavirus infection rate, maybe it is partly due to all the fish the Swedes eat that helps to fortify their immune systems. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:56, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
+::A pescatarian diet is a vegetarian diet plus fish.
+::Consider: "Add this to the long list of reasons to adopt a plant-based or pescatarian diet: New research has found that what you eat — and what you don’t — may lower your odds of developing moderate to severe COVID-19 infection. The study, which was published June 7 in the online journal ''BMJ Nutrition, Prevention & Health'', is the first to report an association between dietary patterns and the severity of COVID-19."[https://www.everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/eating-a-plant-based-or-pescatarian-diet-may-help-reduce-the-risk-of-severe-covid-19/] (BMJ is the ''British Medical Journal'').
+::I adopted a pescatarian diet (with the exception of Thanksgiving Day/Christmas).  My doctor looked at my blood tests recently as part of my annual checkup and he said my immune system was strong. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:06, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
+== Governor Andrew Cuomo resigns ==
+A year ago, Andrew Cuomo was receiving an unprecedented Emmy for his performance in the role of New York governor. There was no one the Dems thought more highly of, no one who's covid response was more highly praised. He had served the party for many years. But he was just a white man. The moment Biden clinched the nomination, his usefulness ran out. Attorney General Letitia James other New York politicians ginned up the groping charges. They send a clear message to Biden: Don't even think about running for a second term.
+So Cuomo is a pervert who thinks his Emmy statue is "buxom". Do we need an AG report to tell us that? The charges against President Bill Clinton were both more serious and better documented. Groping is a weird thing to focus on when Cuomo has killed thousands by putting covid positive patients into nursing homes. Yet the left has so much control over media that they can keep this issue from even coming up.
+Cuomo was being touted as a 2024 presidential candidate. If pro-Harris people planned this hit to knock him out of the race, its peaked too early. As it is, Cuomo can go repent in the wilderness for a while and still make a comeback in time for 2024. When he announced his resignation, he did say this wasn't the end. Cuomo's rise and fall (and possible rise again) invites comparisons with 2008, when the Bush administration set New York Governor Elliot Spitzer up with a hooker sting, possibly at Giuliani's initiative. Cuomo was AG at that time and helped bring Spitzer down. Despite this track record, I don't think of New York Democrats as moralistic. It is more like, the state's politics is infested with backstabbing. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 14:48, August 11, 2021 (EDT)
+:Dick Morris has a realistic theory. [https://www.dickmorris.com/the-real-story-behind-cuomos-resignation-an-aoc-coup-lunch-alert/]  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:44, August 11, 2021 (EDT)
+::How do Dems keep track of whether they are supposed to support or oppose Cuomo at any given time? The party is set up like a cult. Morris doesn't address the fact that the charges against Cuomo came out immediately after Biden clinched the Democratic nomination. That's what got me thinking that there might be more to this story than meets the eye. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:50, August 11, 2021 (EDT)
+:::I'd pay attention to where Cuomo lands. His exit was pretty hasty. 2 days ago he vowed to fight, then somebody must have made him a pretty lucrative job offer that pays better than governor. At 62, his days in electoral politics are over, IMO.  Now it's a matter of how much cash he can rake in in his waning days. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:49, August 12, 2021 (EDT)
+:::I see [[Anita Dunn]] behind this. Dunn and [[Susan Rice]] are making all the decisions. Dunn snuffed out [[Tara Reade]]'s story, and was rewarded with becoming campaign manager after Biden ran 5th in Iowa. From there, she took over sharing presidential decision-making during the transition (Remember Biden's "women hold up half the sky" statement? a direct quote from the ''Sayings of Chairman Mao'' scripted by Dunn). Dunn is the ventriloquist, and Rice handles foreign policy. Dunn also is getting all the Maoists appointed to administration offices.
+:::Dunn probably panicked after the [[White House Press Corps]] asked if Biden should be investigated for pinching an 8-year-old girls nipple, and told Biden to get on the horn with Cuomo and tell him he's got a job with one of her SKDKnickerbocker clients starting at $2 million a year immediately. And that paves the way for the Maoist takeover of the NY governor's office, as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 03:02, August 12, 2021 (EDT)
+::::In the Tara Reade and [[Creepy Uncle Joe]] articles, we see how the Democrats formed a non-profit to facilitate #MeToo whistleblowers, with Dunn on the board.  Supposedly the group was a "safe space" for sexual abuse survivors; in fact it was a trap for people like Dunn to go to the accused, if they were high-level Democrats, and blackmail them while snuffing out the allegations. If the accused were Republicans, one can imagine the first step would be blackmail, but there would be no lucrative job offers if that failed.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 03:19, August 12, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::There is widespread speculation that Cuomo will run for governor in 2022. So the people who should know don't seem think that he made a deal to stay out of politics. It's New York "progressives" like AOC and Letitia Jones who are driving the campaign against Cuomo. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:22, August 12, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::The case against Cuomo is already falling apart. One state trooper Cuomo allegedly harassed was promoted to be Cuomo's driver, Anita Hill style.[https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/Trooper-harassed-by-Cuomo-quickly-became-his-16380003.php] There are two other ongoing Cuomo investigations we haven't heard from yet, one about covid in the nursing homes. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 14:33, August 12, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::I just don't see women voters or women officeholders letting that happen. Or the media, for that matter. They already got Biden, Hunter Biden, & Avenatti on their hands. Cuomo is probably the reason we heard rumblings about Kavanaugh two weeks ago, the logic being, "well if a serial rapist gets to stay in office, what's wrong with a guy who likes kissing men at fundraisers?" Democrat logic typically has a short shelf life. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:45, August 12, 2021 (EDT)
+== Ted Cruz saves the day ==
+[[File:Support for Democratic Candidates, 2012-2020.PNG|right|350px|thumb|According to the Progressive election analyst group Catalist, Democrats are losing support among minorities.<ref>https://www.vox.com/2021/5/10/22425178/catalist-report-2020-election-biden-trump-demographics</ref>]]
+{{reflist}}
+Schumer asked for unanimous consent in the middle of the night to ram through the "[[For the People Act]]" which would institutionalize [[Democrat election fraud]] throughout the nation. [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/hero-ted-cruz-blocks-democrat-partys-attempt-takeover-ruin-americas-elections/ Cruz objected], thank goodness. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Friday, 15:41, August 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:This is a bit confusing. There is H.R. 1, the For the People Act, and H.R. 4 the John Lewis Civil Rights Act. H.R. 4, as I understand it, is just a watered down version of H.R.1.  It was H.R. 4, I think, they tried to ram through last night. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:29, August 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::Huh, I may have overlooked the detailed specifics on that. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Friday, 16:34, August 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::That's okay, I may have done the same thing on MPR last week. Bottomline - it's all just DNC propaganda, anyway. Pelosi and Schumer knew both bills would fail from the start. H.R. 1 had a title targeted at progressive communists, which they knew would fail. H.R. 4 has the title of the "Civil Rights Act of 2021 named after civil rights leader and icon John Lewis" which racist Republicans voted against, aimed at rallying blacks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:39, August 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::So that's why Schumer requested unanimous consent... —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Friday, 16:40, August 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Yah, now it's just GOP House members and Cruz who will be criticized as racists for voting against the Civil Rights Act in the 2022 Midterms. The bill was designed to fail. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:04, August 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::Schumer was actually being courteous to GOP Senators who voted for infrastructure. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:05, August 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::IOWs, "If you vote for infrastucture, I won't slam you as racist." Such is how D.C. has worked for a long time. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:11, August 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::The lower the bill number, the higher the priority. So when H.R.1 & H.R.4 are designed to fail, what can we conclude? The Democrats priority is to toss Progressives and Blacks meaningless gestures with, "we tried and failed" while painting Republians as racist for the midterms. What else is new?
+:::::So, the Dems "priority" is to posture and position slanders of Republicans as racists for the midterms. That has been their priority since H.R.1, a priority over the budget, trade, the environment, global warming, terrorism, crime, income inequality, women's rights, immigration reform, DACA kids, healthcare, the covid crisis, etc etc etc. You know, business as usual. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 17:21, August 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::Republicans have luckily been skyrocketing in support due to terrible policies from the Democrats this decade. The race rhetoric on their end appears to be wearing out. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 19:42, August 13, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::The problem is, Democrats have been leaking minority votes for years now. Nobody believes "America is a racist country" since Obama was elected, and Trump cut into the Black vote bigtime.  As 2020 demonstrated, Democrats can't rely on the Black vote anymore, and must stuff the ballot box to win. They're desperate, and keeping Blacks on the plantation through fear and threats is all they got left. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:50, August 13, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::If the GOP can get Hispanics (and maybe Asians also) on their side, they can turn the tide.  Especially Hispanic Catholics who actually attend Mass regularly. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 11:18, August 16, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::Asian men in particular tend to be pro-[[Trump]], because they really dislike the [[political correctness]] of the [[Dem]]s.  The big push for [[hate crimes]] legislation to supposedly protect Asians was politically motivated to try to hold Asian voters for Dems.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:52, August 16, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::::Are we even sure if they tend to be that? Because I definitely know [[George Takei]] and [[Hideo Kojima]] most certainly weren't pro-Trump and if anything were all for the political correctness of the Dems, and last I checked, those guys were Asian. And that's not even counting Congressman Wu (aka the guy who infamously had a photo of him wearing a Tiger furry costume leaked), who was a huge democrat. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 19:27, August 16, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::::::How about that communist piece of garbage [[Ted Lieu]]?  How many Americans died in Vietnam to make him free so that he could come here and spew his communist hate? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:32, August 16, 2021 (EDT)
+== Biden's Afghanistan speech ==
+Biden was surprisingly articulate in his Afghanistan speech. But what he had to say was ridiculous. Are we to believe that he was forced to withdraw because of the amount of money that has been spent or because of an agreement Trump signed last year? He said "a trillion dollars" like it was a lot of money. This is money spent over a twenty-year period. Biden thinks nothing of adding a trillion to next year's budget to pay for fake infrastructure. The Taliban launches an offensive every summer. It has nothing to do with any agreement that they might have signed with Trump.
+Why the obsession with a complete pullout from Afghanistan by September 11? This was all about Biden's image. He was going to speak at a ceremony on September 11 and tell everyone how he was the president who finally ended the Afghan war. A country was sacrificed for a photo op that will never happen. Who's dream is this?
+The money issue cuts both ways. If you sacrifice a lot on a project, that's all the more reason to pursue it completion. Pulling out will not bring back money that was already spent. The campaign season in Afghanistan runs from May to October. Delaying the pullout by just a few months would have given the government some breathing room.of
+Biden's comments about the Afghans lacking the will to fight were ungracious. Afghanistan is a land of natural soldiers. But the U.S. trained them to fight the American way, with expensive logistical and air support. There were many post in rural areas that were supplied only by air. This support was withdrawn quite suddenly in May and the army ground to a halt. Assuming this explanation is correct, the army's collapse was perfectly predictable. Yet somehow the White House was caught by surprise. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 19:36, August 16, 2021 (EcDT)
+:In one way, this is Vietnam all over again: The client state's army collapsed when logistical support was withdrawn for reasons of U.S. domestic politics. But the North Vietnamese forces that entered Saigon were a modern army with the latest in Soviet equipment. The guerrillas of the Vietcong looms larger in communist propaganda than it ever did as a military force.
+:In Afghanistan, the Taliban is a primitive, outnumbered force. The Afghan army became dependent on American aid to line the pockets of contractors and other hangers on. The U.S. generals in Afghanistan often saw themselves as future contractors. The Afghans could have retrained to fight without the fancy weapons and their maintenance crews of foreign contractors if given time. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:35, August 16, 2021 (EDT)
+::We've all heard the jokes about Biden being a PINO, or "president in name only." Yet the withdrawal seems to have been driven by him personally. He got the crew responsible for the 2011 withdrawal from Iraq back together. Anthony Blinken at the State Department and Jake Sullivan at NSC led. The Pentagon and the intelligence community were both shut out of decision making and reportedly horrified. Lloyd Abrams was chosen defense secretary because he followed orders in 2011 and didn't interfere with what Obama was doing. If a terror group rises from Afghanistan the way ISIS did in Iraq, it won't be a bug, but a feature. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:24, August 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Looks like the CCP is moving up the timetable for aggression against Taiwan. They'd be foolish to wait for President Kamala or President Trump to take office now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:42, August 17, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Sadly, we are struck with this discredited idiot, at least until the midterms. If the Dems promoted Harris before the election, they would lose control of the Senate. It's too bad we don't have parliamentary system. Then we could get a new leader just by voting "no confidence." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:51, August 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::There is enough of a consensus between Moderate Dems & Progressives in the House to remove Biden, and it only takes 5 but there are way more than that now. So the question moves to the Senate: Who do you prefer, Kamala or Pelosi? There we can't find 67 votes yet. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:36, August 18, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::I think Biden has successfully reached that period known as "gridlock" already, where many Dems won't want to be seen voting for anything he proposes. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 00:37, August 18, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::Another example of Biden being too stupid to run anything is that he closed the enormous Bagram airbase at the end of June. This was at a time when thousands of Americans were still in the country. There are still 5,000 to 10,000 Americans left. Did he imagine that all the people desperate to leave could be evacuated on regularly scheduled civilian flights? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:44, August 18, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::They offed [[Ashli Babbitt]] and called her a traitor after serving, what, a quarter of her life in Afghanistan. We should have taken that as a heads-up. Remember [[Jake Sullivan|Jake 'al Qaeda is on our side' Sullivan]]?  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 04:05, August 18, 2021 (EDT)
+== Eight days from superpower to punchline ==
+The Suez crisis of 1956 was only eight days long. But it marked the divide between the era when the world was awed by the words "British Empire" and an era when this phrase is used only as a sneering punchline, as Lady Avon put it. Can America still be a "global superpower" in the post-Afghanstan era? [https://www.jewishworldreview.com/0821/steyn081621.php Mark Steyn, the man who makes collapse funny, is on the case]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 19:36, August 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:This needs to go on MPR: "[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/anthony-blinken-speaks-on-the-fall-of-kabul State Department calls for Taliban to include women in its government]." Hey Taliban! Don't forget to mask up and get vaccinated too! [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:19, August 17, 2021 (EDT)
+::That is not really addressed to the Taliban, it is addressed to female Democrat voters. If there is one thing I highly object to is Democrat administrations using the State Dept. for domestic political purposes, and creating confusion abroad. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:38, August 17, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Here is Mike Pence's take in the ''Wall Street Journal'': "In February 2020, the Trump administration reached an agreement that required the Taliban to end all attacks on U.S. military personnel, to refuse terrorists safe harbor, and to negotiate with Afghan leaders on creating a new government. As long as these conditions were met, the U.S. would conduct a gradual and orderly withdrawal of military forces.....The progress our administration made toward ending the war was possible because Taliban leaders understood that the consequences of violating the deal would be swift and severe. After our military took out Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani, and U.S. Special Forces killed the leader of ISIS, the Taliban had no doubt we would keep our promise."[https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-pence-biden-broke-our-deal-with-the-taliban-11629238764?mod=djemalertNEWS] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 13:58, August 18, 2021 (EDT)
+::::If the USA went from a global superpower to a regional power and my taxes went down, I would be happy. Judging from America's recent wars and China's growing power in the sea, I wouldn't want to be a Taiwanese person right now.
+::::It's better to do a very good job at being a regional power, than do a terrible job as a global power. In addition, America has gotten into too many wars post WWII. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:33, August 18, 2021 (EDT)
+[[File:CCP Unrestricted Warfare.PNG|right|500px|thumb|[[PLA]] ''Unrestricted Warfare Doctrine in an Era of Globalization''.  <small>"Traditional war" follows certain rules or boundaries, protections for the civilians, humanitarian treatment to [[POW]]s, banning the use of [[WMD]], etc.  "Unrestricted warfare" means going beyond the limit, whether it is material, spiritual, ethical or technical; and whether it is called 'range', ‘restriction’, ‘restraint’, ‘boundary’, ‘rules’, ‘law’, ‘limit’, or ‘taboo’ ".  When the boundaries of “old-style warfare” are broken, there is only one reality left:  the entire human society is treated as a battlefield.  The reasoning goes that the [[PRC]], being the weaker party justifies [[tactic]]s described in ''Unrestricted Warfare'', since conventional tactics may not ensure victory against the US.</small> [https://jianglinswritings.blogspot.com/2020/05/unrestricted-warfare-rulelessness-is.html] ]]
+:::::You guys are nuts if you wanna give up global leadership to the CCP.  That means dancing to ''their'' tune.  Sure, the U.S. needs reform in it allowing the [[military industrial complex]], [[Big Tech]] and corrupt [[oligarch]]s running things, but playing second fiddle to a bunch of thugs who will cut your heart out and sell it while you're still breathing is insane. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 15:10, August 18, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::I don't think Trump's agreement with the Taliban is anything for Pence to brag about. The Afghans released 5,000 Taliban prisoners and got only worthless promises. But the decision to withdraw was Biden's and not Trump's.
+::::::Giving up imperial status doesn't seem to have helped Britain financially. They drastically cut military spending in 1968 under the "East of Suez" plan. Control of middle eastern oil shifted to OPEC, prices soared, and the British government went bankrupt in 1975. IMF economists took over and ran the economy "in the manner of a banana republic," as they say. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 17:10, August 18, 2021 (EDT)
+The CCP is not going to be a global power. They have a ton of debt and an aging population.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:55, August 18, 2021 (EDT)
+::[https://youtu.be/dew9qqoAM9A "China's gonna eat our lunch? C'mon, man"] How Bidenesque. [https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/08/16/george-soros-xi-jinping-most-dangerous-enemy-free-world/ Even Soros doesn't see things that way anymore], and is sending a message to all the other oligarchs on the planet, including Big Tech oligarchs, as well as Chinese oligarchs who have made fortunes and are on the run from the CCP. This is YUGE. Soros is on our side, and Xi Jinping woke up to find out the rest of the planet is pretty well united against him. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:49, August 19, 2021 (EDT)
+:It might take longer for the CCP to have the capability to conquer Taiwan than I thought.
+:''Popular Mechanics'': "Could China be ready for this scenario by 2027? Probably not. It would most likely take until 2035 to build enough sealift to transport the invasion force. China would also be smart to build more sealift than it needs, as each ship will have to make multiple trips to and from the island, exposed during each run to Taiwanese (and likely American) ships, planes, and submarines."[https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a36830543/china-invade-taiwan/]
+:And of course, the USA could choose to boycott Chinese goods or severely cut back its trade with China if the Chinese chose to attack Taiwan. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:17, August 18, 2021 (EDT)
+::The first step in the CCP's bid for global hegemony is behind us - weakening the US and global economy with the release of covid; the next step is a move against Taiwan, beginning with exploding an EMP over the United States to knock out the power grid. A large portion of the US will be dead in 90 days without electricity. If they don't move now, and wait for President Kamala, their planning has been futile. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:31, August 18, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Dead Americans can't buy anything. China does not want dead Americans in its homeland. The only Americans China wants dead are the ones that might try to protect Taiwan when China attacks it in the future. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:36, August 19, 2021 (EDT)
+https://eagleforum.org/publications/efr/may21/chinas-communist-party-wants-to-kill-you.html
+China’s Communist Party Wants to Kill You, May 2021 Eagle Forum Report
+{{cquote|It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans. But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century, a century in which the CCP leads the world. We, as revolutionary humanitarians, do not want deaths, but if history confronts us with a choice between deaths of Chinese and those of Americans, we’d have to pick the latter, as, for us, it is more important to safeguard the lives of the Chinese people and the life of our Party.|||Chi Haotian, ex-Vice-Chairman of China’s Military Commissionm}}
+What? You think he meant thousands and not millions? What? You think the Eagle Forum does not research its content before publishing? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:57, August 19, 2021 (EDT)
+::::RobS, I think you have a serious reading comprehension problem in this matter. As a person who was a professional computer programmer, I can understand basic "If, then" logic. Evidently, you cannot!
+::::"For almost four decades, many analysts suggested that war between the United States and the Soviet Union was inevitable. Despite a few close calls, it never happened. It is entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that China and the United States will not again find themselves in armed conflict."[https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/us-china-war-all-inevitable-2030-180454] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:32, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+:::You're not going to win this argument. You got two major screw-ups already. First, your Bidenesque reasoning and logic which Biden himself has already backpeddled on. And secondly, ignoring the documented threat published by the Eagle Forum and bringing in irrelevant references to the Soviet Union, to deflect., [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:13, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+:::'''If''' you find yourself in a hole, '''then''' stop digging. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:15, August 20, 2021 (EDT
+China's bribed Joe Biden. They've infiltrated various USA institutions.[https://thehill.com/opinion/international/541196-china-has-already-infiltrated-americas-institutions] And they sell the USA a ton of merchandise. Why would they bother invading?
+"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill." - [[Sun Tzu]][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:51, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+:But China's power will be fleeting. They have a ton of debt and an aging population that doesn't like foreign immigrants. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:53, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+:Now you're just being redundant. What? you think readers are stupid and didn't hear what you said the first time? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:29, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+== What was Biden thinking? ==
+In one way, Joe Biden's views on Afghanistan are nothing that needs to be explained. Withdrawal is a common enough opinion and one that he shares with the previous three American presidents. All the same, none of them pursued the idea with anything like Biden's determination. It's hard to imagine Bush, Obama, or Trump sacrificing their presidencies for this cause. In fact, it seems that Trump's support for withdrawal was mostly about extracting concessions from the Afghan government.[https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/08/trumps-pledge-exit-afghanistan-was-ruse-his-final-secdef-says/184660/ể]
+Biden is doing it for Beau, his eldest son who served <s>in Afghanistan</s> in 2008-2009. Biden was a desperately worried parent at that time. Based on an idiotic theory that links Afghanistan to Beau's death by cancer years later, he believes that Beau died "on behalf of [Afghan] women’s rights."[https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/08/274555.php] You be bitter too if you expected to pass things on to a son in your image and then had to settle for Hunter.
+What does Biden think we can get in exchange for selling out Afghan women? The Taliban hates us for being infidels, not because of our views on women. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:10, August 19, 2021 (EDT)
+:I'm guessing most Americans trapped in Afghan are contractors or workers with NGOs, although there could be both civilian US govt. workers and military trapped, as well. While there have been 2400 military deaths in 20 years, there has been 3700+ civilian contractor deaths, so we can guess that there certainly has always been a very large number of contractors. None of this includes other Western civilian personnel. And the Afghan dissident collaborators and their families is somewhere between 18,000 and 70,000.  Also, in 20 years there certainly must also have been some intermarriage and children.
+:The next step is to begin hearing from spouses and families of these contractors. This is not good for the Congressional Democrats who represent these constituents.
+:So the rumour mill is churning about the 25th Amendment. It requires a 2/3 vote of both Houses, which is not likely a problem. The details of finding office space or a conference room in the White House complex to conduct a 25th Amendment coup seem interesting, but a Cabinet meeting conducted by Kamala by Zoom isn't out of the question either, and remember [[Marc Elias]] (who's attempted several coups over just the past few years), is the legal expert on her side (he was Kamala's General Counsel during her ill fated campaign).
+:So, let's suppose Kamala pulls off a 25th Amendment coup. There wouldn't be a lot of changes in personnel, really. Hunter might be replaced by Meena Harris, and that's about it.  Even if Antia Dunn and Susan Rice go, who are the two that have been making policy, the system in place would still remain with an incompetent figurehead and a behind the scenes Politburo running things. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:52, August 19, 2021 (EDT)
+:Barack's probably working the phones overtime right now. He'd certainly dump Joe for Kamala in a moment. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:16, August 19, 2021 (EDT)
+::Biden isn't thinking well. He is probably in the 3rd stage of Alzheimer's disease/dementia[https://www.pennmedicine.org/updates/blogs/neuroscience-blog/2019/november/stages-of-alzheimers][https://www.medicinenet.com/what_are_the_seven_stages_of_dementia/article.htm] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:22, August 19, 2021 (EDT)
+:::The fact that the Democrat voter base thought last year that Biden was the cream of the crop out of over a dozen party contenders to become president speaks volumes about the lack of basic intelligence among leftists nowadays. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Friday, 22:27, August 19, 2021 (EDT)
+::::Biden will serve his whole term unless he dies. Liberals/leftists always double down and engage in denialism. Biden will only serve one term. The pressure of the Oval Office will accelerate his dementia.
+::::The GOP will not push Biden out due to being afraid of losing the elderly vote. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:28, August 19, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::The Democrats never thought Biden was the cream of the crop. They thought Biden was the most electable. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:31, August 19, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::Leftists are [[collectivist]]s, and there already is a closet politburo running things. Biden is no personality cult hero like Clinton or Obama, and he'd be the first one to tell you, "I regret that I have only one life to give for my party."  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:21, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+:::::::Well, leftists in general are collectivists, but I can definitely name a few leftists who if anything advocate for individualism (albeit a very radical, anarchistic form of individualism that's closer to a "dog-eat-dog world."). In particular, Jean-Paul Sartre, who was even described by [https://web.archive.org/web/19980119060706/http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/1996/feb96/focus.html Eagle Forum] as being someone who advocated for the absolute freedom of the individual, aka individualism. I'll even quote it: "The fourth source [for the American Library Association's radicalization] is Jean-Paul Sartre, the French existentialist who was so fashionable in the 1940s. '''He held the absolute freedom of the individual to be the highest good and yet saw all values as relative.''' His idea that there are no rules by which we must govern our conduct dispenses handily with Madison's idea that the Ten Commandments are necessary for peaceful self-government." I'd also argue Voltaire was similar in that regard. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 21:14, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::::Even Soros said the other day, "''The U.S. stands for a democratic, open society in which the role of the government is to protect the freedom of the individual. Mr. Xi believes Mao Zedong invented a superior form of organization, which he is carrying on: a totalitarian closed society in which the individual is subordinated to the one-party state."'' [https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/08/16/george-soros-xi-jinping-most-dangerous-enemy-free-world/]
+::::::::Looks like [[Xi]] won't be invited back to Davos anytime soon. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:51, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+::::::In this day and age where the Democrats can churn out two impeachments in one term, and a second one in 10 days or 10 minutes or whatever, anything is possible - especially if they feel in danger of ''losing'' power.  You're taking your conservative approach to the extreme by denying the reality that is around you - the threat of war with China, and the threat Biden is to national security. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:27, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+*In his interview with Stephanopoulos, Biden again cited Beau serving in Afghanistan with either the army or the navy (!?!). Beau actually served as an army major in Iraq. Biden has told this story many times and with great feeling. Now thousands of Americans are stranded in Afghanistan in an attempt to validated this fake story and his status as a grieving father. It reminds me of the fake mission to Cambodia that was "seared" in John Kerry's memory. Hey John, ''Apocalypse Now'' was just a movie. It was not based on your life. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 19:20, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+::I'd be grieving, too, if my one son who amounted to something in life (as corrupt as he was) passed away leaving me with the other as the "smartest man I know" (which undoubtedly, is the one true statement Biden ever uttered). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:22, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+:One of the interesting aspects of the times we live in under this socialist junta is the rebirth of [[Kremlinology]]. Since reporters and news organizations can place no stock in official pronouncements (countless examples, such as statements by Biden and Gen. Milley over the past 6 weeks, or daily pronouncements by Jen Psaki), Kremlinologists have to "read the tea leaves," like who is standing next to who on Lenin's mausoleum at the May Day parade. Criticism mounts in Biden's absence, so he rushes back for 20 minutes to make a contradictory and nonsensical speech, then returns to vacation. Then in the Stephanopoulos interview, he falls back on the old Clinton tactic of "that was yesterday, old news" when we already know that nobody in the White House, Pentagon or [[intelligence community]] has a clue what is going on (''caveat:'' unless it is happening by design).
+:So, what's the latest in Biden junta Kremlinology? Kamala disappears for 6 days. Rumours mount of a 25th Amendment coup. Like the rushed press conference 2 days ago, Kamala reappears at Biden's side.  IOWs, the purpose of the press conference is not about anything said, it is to quash rumours among foreign governments and give the impression that Biden is in full control. It's the "optics", to use a D.C. term, and incorporate it into the Kremlinology lexicon. This has been true for a long time, even in the Obama era. It is the optics, not the substance of anything said. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:24, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+===In defense of China===
+The Latin Americans are invading the USA. Not the Chinese. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:44, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+:So, evidently, you are struggling with the concept of national security. It appears you fail to connect the dots between the national security threat Biden created on the southern border, and the national security threat Biden has created being in bed with the Chinese communists through his son, Hunter's business. And we haven't even broached the subject of the national security threat Biden created with the Afghan collapse vis-a-vis the growth of terrorism. Or the national security threat Biden has created by the loss of confidence among allies in dealing with ''both'' the threat of Chinese aggressive actions (in the [[South China Sea]] and along the Indian border) and the renewed threat of global terrorism coming from Afghanistan.
+:Now, if you somehow want to connect China to the national security threat on the southern border, please do so here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 18:43, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+==Soros flips==
+To paraphrase Biden [[National Security Advisor|NSA]] [[Jake Sullivan|Jake "Al Qaeda is on Our Side" Sullivan]], [https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/look-whos-calling-xi-jinping-the-most-dangerous-enemy-of-open-societies-in-the-world/ Soros is on our side!]  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 12:48, August 19, 2021 (EDT)
+== Worst president ever ==
+In truth, Biden still has a ways to go before he's as bad a president as James Madison, who ginned up a war with Britain at a time when the U.S. had no army or navy. But he's getting close. Here is the ''New York Post'': "[https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/afghanistan-is-the-worst-hostage-crisis-in-american-history/ Call Afghanistan what it is: The worst hostage crisis in American history]." In terms of historical analogies, the Afghanistan crisis is now the Iranian hostage crisis and the fall of Saigon rolled into one. When Biden remembers the 1970s, does he think, "Yeah, let's do all that again"? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:49, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+:In 1982, I made up my mind that Biden was obnoxious scum. Sadly, he's only gotten worse. And that was before he ever fantasized about being president, or shined in the Bork and Clarence Thomas hearings, or had SCOTUS overturn his Violence Against Women's Act, which everyone who voted for it told him would happen but he insisted on an election-year gimmick.
+:Honestly, when Obama was president. I prayed Obama would stay safe and nothing would happen to him.
+:The biggest lie perpetrated on the American people, and black people in particular in recent decades, is not WMD, or Hillary was innocent, or Trump-Russia or Ukraine scandal. It is that Biden is not a racist scumbag. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 08:09, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+::As to Madison, maybe it was to force Congress to appropriate funds for an Army and Navy. It wouldn't be the first time such tactics were engineered. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 22:34, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
+:::Madison abolished the army in 1810. Perhaps he never expected to go to war against anyone at that time. Later that year, the "war hawks" made a strong showing in the midterms. When Congress recreated the army, Madison wasn't happy about it. He wanted to conquer Canada with militia units only. As for the navy, the Jeffersonian ideal was a navy for coastal defense only, a so-called gunboat navy. Madison's focus was on winning the 1812 election. He figured imitating the War Hawks would help him do it.
+:::As Biden becomes increasingly aggressive about seeking the "worst president ever" title, what can we expect? The British burned down Madison's White House, inspired secessionist movements in multiple states, and forced his Treasury to default -- the only time that happened in U.S. history. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:14, August 21, 2021 (EDT)
-IBD/TIPP shows Trump one point ahead. LA Times -- Trump is one point ahead. Rasmussen -- Trump is two points ahead. Those poll results were all released Friday. When they finally go to the polls, Republicans tend to Republican and Democrats tend to vote Democrat. So the generic ballot is often a better predictor than polls that ask about candidates. By that standard the Dems are five points ahead.[http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-house-race] It's common for Republicans to do two to three points better than the polls based on turnout. Judging from turnout at rallies, there are obviously people who are excited about Trump who don't normally vote -- and no excitement for Hillary. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:36, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
+::::According to the ''Congressional Research Service'' ([https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf pgs 2-3]) the cost of the war was 2.2% of GDP, compared to 2.3% in Vietnam, 0.3% for the Gulf War, and as of 2010, Iraq & Afghanistan 1.2%. I was astounded, cause I always thought 1812 as just another ''brisk, jolly little war''.  But then again, it's probably number crunchers like this in the ''CRS'' that convince Congress to keep appropriating money for 20 years.
-:In the last 3 presidential elections, the IBD/TIPP poll was the most accurate of all polling organizations. They are very meticulous and sophisticated in terms of putting together a representative sample.
+::::Besides the Taliban, the only other winners in this war were arms merchants of death and the military-industrial complex.
+::::What we need is a [[Nye Committee]] investigation.  This [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9909573/549M-planes-sold-scrap-176M-road-wasted-billions-Afghanistan.html Daily Mail] article is fascinating.  Numerous examples of the corruption involved.  A retired Air Force general brokered a $549 million (of US taxpayer money) deal for planes for the Afghan Airforce that never flew and was ultimately sold for  scrap for $40,257; $28 million for green camouflage in a desert environment; and this:
+:::::''$36 million was spent on a vast command-and-control facility at Camp Leatherneck in Helmand Province. It included office space for 1500 people as well as a war room, a briefing theater and enough office space for 1,500 people.  It was commissioned for the 2010 surge of U.S. troops.  'It appears to be the best constructed building I have seen in my travels in Afghanistan,' Sopko wrote in July 2013. 'Unfortunately, it is unused, unoccupied, and presumably will never be used for its intended purpose.' Its '''furniture was still in plastic''' when he visited the facility...''
+::::What's going on here?  Time was, the camouflage and furniture makers were all in somebody's congressional district. But not anymore. I'll bet $100 the furniture was made in China.  The [https://youtu.be/0MXSAwkVU3U?t=276 old defense contractor game] is too well known. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 10:59, August 21, 2021 (EDT)
+::::See, nowadays members of Congress do not vote for defense appropriations to bring jobs to their district; they vote large appropriations for a kickback of taxpayer funds to their campaign committees, short circuiting the taxpayer-voter. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 11:08, August 21, 2021 (EDT)
-:In addition, you have the Brexit polling debacle and the fact that the media has been relentlessly bashing Trump so people being polled may not admit to intending to vote for Trump.
+== Leftists attack Larry Elder with Jim Crow antics ==
-:In a normal election Trump would never be elected, but people are so fed up with the status quo and crooked Hillary has so much baggage that Trump is still electable. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:19, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
+I'm noticing a common theme: woke white leftists pretending to be the spokespersons for blacks are smearing [[Larry Elder]], who's running in the California gubernatorial recall election. Apparently he's a "black white supremacist," according to their Kool-Aid filled mouths. And the latest is that they're smearing him over mere ''allegations'' of sexism, supposed violence towards women, etc. etc. Classic Jim Crow tactics: ignore due process and slander blacks of violence towards women to destroy their reputations. And ironically enough, these are the same bumbling left-wing idiots who use baseless KKK analogies against whoever they disagree with. Notwithstanding the veracity of the allegations, such leftist tactics are still ridiculous, to say the very least. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Friday, 19:38, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
-::The ''LA Times'' uses a cutting edge methodology to figure who is most likely to caste a vote. We will have to wait for election results to see if they are on right track. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:34, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
+:Elder is too well known in California - he's been on the air following Rush Limbaugh since 1994. California Blacks know him too well, and he's an icon and role model in the black community. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:17, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
-:::Yeah, which is unfortunately three weeks away... Stupid CPD, why did they have to make the final debate a full month before the debate? Why couldn't they have done it on October 25 or even November 1? [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 22:39, 21 October 2016 (EDT)
+::Ah, ''no wonder'' the left is currently panicking as evident in all their vain baiting efforts to destroy his character. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Saturday, 20:22, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
-== Three Effects Will Boost Trump ==
+:::Those attacks are probably aimed at white liberals (a minority in California) who never heard of Elder, but they fall flat when blacks hear them. In fact, they even sound racist to blacks. And Elder is just the man to articulate that. Now, being California, there is some spillover into national media, but this isn't likely to play out according to the usual playbook. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:32, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
-Three effects will boost Trump:
+:::Just as in the case of Obama, any white person who opposes or even criticizes Elder, is motivated by  racism. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:34, August 20, 2021 (EDT)
-*[[Brexit]] effect - 5 point error by polls due to media bias causing people be afraid to be candid with pollsters
-*[[Arnold Schwarzenegger]]/[[Reagan]] effect - 8-10 points better than polling,[http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Congressional/California_Recall3.html] due to media bias and also advantage enjoyed by Republican entertainers
-*[[Scott Brown]] effect - many points due to much greater enthusiasm
---[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:59, 21 October 2016 (EDT)