Difference between revisions of "Talk:Liberals and reason"

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Really? HelpJazz 18:13, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

It's a deliberate strategy. See the quote I just posted about feminism opposing reason.

Liberals claim to exalt human reason, but all too often they do just the opposite. Don't you see that as a contradiction? --Ed Poor ^Talk 18:16, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

I see that as a contradiction, but I don't believe for one minute that all liberals are like your quote. Even so, your quotation doesn't say that liberals want to get rid of reason, it says that one radical feminist want's to look again at the study of reason.

If we keep the article we should probably remove the link to ad hominem, because the article itself is pretty close to ad hominem in itself. HelpJazz 18:25, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

I was going to vote for you to be promoted to admin, but if you miss words like typical and then argue from the basis that the text meant all - then I guess I better not.

You also missed "Everything must go - even the allegedly universal disciplines of logic, mathematics and science". The quote didn't talk about the university discipline, you know. ;-) --Ed Poor ^Talk 18:30, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

I can't get edit rights and Andy publicly ridicules me -- I'm not expecting admin any time soon, anyway.

I see exactly what you are trying to say, and I did see the word "typical" but I still don't think it's true. "Most" liberals are not irrational -- any more than "most" conservatives are.

Lastly, I read the whole quote but interpreted it in the context that I've heard radical feminists say it time after time after time: they think that everything has a "man bias" and so it should be redone, not removed. I don't think that whoever said that honestly believes that we don't need logic, math or science. 18:39, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Oh, like when a woman tells her husband, "You never take me to the movies"? She means that he doesn't take her often enough, or maybe just that she'd like to go in the near future.

Well, I think there should be one standard for all academics. No fair holding men to a strict standard of accountability, while women can say anything they want and then take it back.

This is an encyclopedia, and if that particular feminist quote was not meant to be taken literally we need another quote. --Ed Poor ^Talk 18:51, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

I agree that men and women should be taken on their word. I just don't agree that this one quotation extends to all or most liberals. Maybe we should take it literally -- sometimes radical feminists really just are that crazy! ;-) HelpJazz 19:49, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

It's Not Going to be as Funny as You Hope

Ed,

You've said in several places that you can't wait for April 1st. When the jokes and the real articles can't be told apart, yelling "April Fools!" won't be nearly as amusing. Aziraphale 19:57, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Suggestion

Honestly, Ed, I've got no problem with you having your own opinion, but maybe with some elaboration this might fit the standards of an essay. Until then, this is little more than a hate filled ramble masquerading as fact, and as such should quite probably be deleted or moved to your namespace so you can improve it further. Barikada 20:00, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a hate-filled ramble. HelpJazz 20:19, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

You're right. Perhaps ramble is too strong a term. Barikada 20:23, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Considering you've already been blocked 10 times (by my count), one would think that you would put a little more "constructive" into your constructive criticisms and a little less "criticism", eh? HelpJazz 20:27, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

I did. I suggested moving unencyclopedic content to the proper namespace. Barikada 20:29, 27 March 2008 (EDT)