Difference between revisions of "Talk:Homosexual Agenda"

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Scalia mentioned that in a dissenting opinion, which isn't binding law. --WOVcenter 00:59, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

WOV's got a point

Not only that, but this entire article is biased tripe. It presents the "homosexual agenda" from a one-sided perspective, and is filled with hate commentary. I recommend the entire thing for deletion.

Scalia's remark is regretful and a blemish on the pages of the U.S. Reporter, up there with Scott v. Sanford. But let's not expand it still further.

I have cleaned up biased and vitriolic language as best as I can, but this entry deserves deletion.

Seconded. If this is a homosexual agenda, then what homosexual wrote it? This is nothing but political game-playing: Identify a group as The Enemy and then brand them haters and abusers of family, children, and country. It makes dehumanising them so much easier. - Suricou

I didn't see anything "hateful" in it. The Scalia reference was not intended to be about what is binding law, obviously. There was nothing binding about his phrase. I'll note that it was in dissent.

The edits to this article were completely inappropriate, turning it into a liberal puff piece. Wikipedia exists for that. Actually, your edits made this even more liberal than Wikipedia's article on the same topic!

The hour is very late and I need to lock this page to guard against vandalism or conversion to a liberal message. I can unlock tomorrow. Thanks.--Aschlafly 02:11, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Presenting both points doesn't make it a liberal puff piece! It presented only one perspective (Focus on the Family), and referred to the Shepard incident as OVERBLOWN. That's awful!! I consider my entry a moderate tack, but if you can think of an acceptable compromise that preserves an unbiased perspective, be my guest. It shocks me to see you go against your own commandments, though, about not including bias, and not importing a political perspective. I have tried to, and continue to try to, do the same.--AmesG 02:13, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Instead of the http://www.citizenlink.org/CLFeatures/A000000562.cfm cite you may want to use this one [1] This cite goes straight (NPI) to a section of the book After the Ball. -)Crackertalk 02:24, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Thanks. Will do tomorrow. Goodnight, Cracker!--Aschlafly 02:25, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

I would definitely change the "promote homosexuality in schools" to "promote acceptance of homosexuality in schools". Definitely sounds like they're trying to make me gay. --Splark 21:45, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

I agree with the comments of AmesG and Splark. The idea that one's ideological opponents have a specific "agenda" is an all-too common one, but such agendas are more often touted by those who oppose than by those who support a group. That a Supreme Court Justice referred to it, or that it's in some leaflet somewhere, isn't substantive evidence that it exists.. Boethius 18:22, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Aren't those five points of the "homosexual agenda" linked to more of a strategy than an "agenda"? And, aren't they the standard strategy for all interest groups? 1. Talk about your issue. 2. Show your group is harmed unless you get what you want. 3. Provide facts so people can justify agreeing with you. 4. Portray yourself and your point of view as right and moral. 5. Portray your opponents and their point of view as wrong and immoral. 6. Get corporate or other financial support. Every group and lobbying organization does that, and I don't know that singling out gays and the gay rights movement as doing that is really informative.--Epicurius 11:23, 15 March 2007 (ED

I will go on the record and say that yes, there is a homosexual agenda. As a homosexual myself, I'm pretty much in the middle of it. All we want is to be treated the same as any other tax-paying American. If my partner is injured, I would like to be able to have the same visitation and decision-making power as a husband/wife would. I would like to be able to transfer property when I die without having to jump through a million legal hoops. Many people claim that we want "special" rights. We really don't. We just want to be treated the same as everyone else.--Patthew 12:01, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

I think this page is extremely biased. It presents only one side of the issue and is locked to prevent the other side from responding. Proof of a bias of another kind here. -Gasmonkey

Everything you post must be true and verifiable

This entry violates the first (and perhaps most important) Conservapedia commandment. There is no homosexual "agenda" -- no "they" who "wrote a book", no 10-point plan. It's the same kind of paranoid nonsense that's in the articles here on Joseph McCarthy and Alger Hiss (WP has far more accurate articles on both subjects, with the one on Hiss very clearly identifying areas of controversy), with conspiracy-theorist types quoting and sourcing one another. I propose this entire article for immediate deletion. Boethius 10:56, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Agreed. The "Homosexual agenda" is no more factual than the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Delete, or recreate as an article about the popular (?) but false belief in this "agenda." Pkoad 00:21, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

It refers to the gay rights activism, which may be a grassroots movement but which has multiple goals which are easily identified. The Liberal POV that such goals are non-existent is a kind of denialism.

It will be good for the article to discuss this denial, in conjunction with gay rights critics who oppose the points which the denialists says no one advances. (Not worded right, but I think you get the gist.) See you all tomorrow. --Ed Poor 00:29, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

There's no more gay agenda other than there was a "black agenda" before Brown came down. The gay agenda is equal treatment. Oh no, quick, ma, shut the doors! Equality's a-comin'!-AmesG_yo!

I'd say "keep it" so the world can really see how these strange nutkins think. But in the interest of humanity, decency, and honesty, it is a pack of paranoid, politico-religious agenda lies. Really, really strange nutjob lies. Human 02:51, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Keep:Let's assume for one moment that the homosexual agenda is complete hogwash and homosexual activists don't believe in it: Isn't the fact that Conservative Christians do believe in it enough to keep the article so that the "opinions" of Christians about homosexual activists be here. The fact that many talk about it is clear evidence that this is a valid article--Djcreativity 15:47, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

Opposing Christian Agenda

I can't work out what the point of the "Opposing Christian Agenda" section is. The sentences don't make sense, and the referenced page does not mention homosexuality or gay. I propose the section be deleted by someone with the privilege to edit the article. --Scott 01:33, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

I think it's not nearly explicit enough. More than anything else except perhaps abortion, the homosexual subversion of Christian values is illustrative of the influence of Satan upon liberals and other leftists, and his influence through them on our society. Should I rework the section to include such? --Nathan 22:20, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Improvements

Shouldn't Gayness in part 1. of the agenda be Gaiety? The term homosexual protectors in part three surely merits its own article. Is this the same as Homosexualists? Auld Nick 07:11, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Any attempt to trivialize or confuse the issue will be frowned upon here. --Ed Poor 07:22, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

We should delete the cite at the bottom saying that homosexuality caused Nazism. That's a truly disturbing allegation.-AmesG_yo! 12:59, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Especially considering that the Nazis actually murdered thousands of homosexuals during World War II.--Autofire 18:32, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

Yes they did, but it was because of Hitler. NOT homosexuality. And waaay more Jews were killed than homosexuals, giving Jews a larger spotlight. Clorox I'm liberal, but I don't edit pages-just talk pages. don't worry. 23:25, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

I believe langauge needs to be corrected in the the first bullet of the list of homosexual goals. It currently states "Censoring sections of the bible condemning homosexuality." The source cited is an article about an offensive tee shirt being censored not the bible its self. There needs to be eaither a new source about Homosexuals attempting to change the bible or the wording must be changed to "preventing materials that denounce homosexuality from being displayed publicly."

Reference number "8" rrefers back to the Conservapedia site. In order to maintain integrity it must refer to an ouside source if one is not provided the reference and quote should be deleted. Currently it is a logical fallacy and is not up to encyclopedic standards. Someone not dyslexic (i.e. somone who isn't me.) should get on that.

Very Informative

Excellent portrayal of the truth. This is a nice breather from the left-wing saturated wikipedia.com. If you agree with the article, you should check out the highly accurate article on homophobia. Everyone knows that the creation of homophobia is a foundation of the gay agenda.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Homophobia

Wikipedia is subject to open edits that don't reqier an account. Are you suggesting that the monitors of wikipedia aka "everyone who can type" has a liberal bias?

Is this real?

This article seems like a parody. I can't believe that... oh yeah, I'm at conservapedia. I can believe anything. Flippin 12:44, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

As well as the mysterious reference to a "leading book in the homosexual movement", it refers to a book claiming that the Nazi Party supported homosexuality. Clearly this has to be satirical. Either that, or someone has a serious case of paranoia - all the sources, as well as being of dubious credabililty, point towards independent events but the whole point of the page is to talk about a shadowy conspiricy - a 'Secret Society' of homosexuals trying to gayify the world. I suggest deleting the whole page - and if it reappears in a similar form, delete and protect. - Suricou

Agendas

So since there are so many references on this wiki to the "homosexual agenda" can we also cite the "Conservative Agenda" or "Republican Agenda" or "Christian Agenda"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by prof0705 (talk)

I don't see why not, as long as they sourced and reasonably recognizable as phrases in common use. In fact, here, I would expect an article on conservative agenda to be very good. Human 17:56, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

This article violates the Conservapedia:Commandments (number 2: cite sources and 5: personal opinion).

1. It claims to quote Focus on the Family for the definition of The Homosexual Agenda without giving a specific reference, and FotF is only claimed to be quoting "a leading book in the homosexual movement" without even bothering to name the book or its author.
2. The two bulleted points in "The Goals" (about 8-year-old boys and 12-to-14 year olds) are stating as fact the opinion of Craig Osten, a vice president at the Alliance Defense Fund.
3. Several of the other references to that section are either citing journalist's or lawyer's opinions, not facts or any quote from the people who are alleged to hold the agenda under discussion.

I am prohibited from editing the page but I suggest that the Agenda is moved to the top, and the original source for it cited, rather than a vague second-hand reference. The judge's quote should then be indented as a block quote so it is more clearly identifiable as quoting the judge. The Goals and Opposing Christian Agenda should be cleaned up and cite proper sources not opinions, or be more clearly marked as only opinions of people who oppose the Homosexual Agenda. If Conservapedia could handle it, even a quote from someone who supports it would be good. --Scott 06:06, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

Conservapedia:Commandments (number 2: cite sources and 5: personal opinion) is superceded by Conservapedia:Locks and Blocks:

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Auld Nick 07:23, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

What about Hot man on man/woman on woman action? I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that homosexuals were pretty in favor of that.

Is this really as big as people make it out to be?

While I personally do not like anyone being too open about their personal lives, especially concerning anything to do with sex, still when I hear about a "Homosexual Agenda" I can only think of another fear that other people once tried to infect people with: it was called "The Protocols of The Elders of Zion." I think some of you may understand my point... Jros83 16:15, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Yeah, I don't really understand why people even care if someone is homosexual or not. If you're not a homosexual yourself you're not gonna be involved with homosexuality so why even care? It doesn't affect you in that case. If someones is homosexual, then fine. Let them be. Has nothing to do with you. JohnKite 11:33, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Do you not care about God, JohnKite? Do you not care about His society? Do you not acre about moral erosion, disease, and the future of humanity? Do you not care about what is right and what is wrong? MauriceB 11:35, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Please remove the reference to Scott Lively's propaganda book

This is propaganda. It seems you don't allow neutrality here. GayMan 21:51, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

I agree. Numbers 1-5 on there are kinda wrong, and number 6 tops it off as crap. Clorox 23:11, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Hey, now...

I'm LGBT and I'm certainly not aware of any sort of "agenda" being discussed. Perhaps this is just a typical case of right-wing paranoia? --Afi 18:07, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

What the hell?

The “homosexuality agenda" was created by Focus on the Family, which you say later in the article, ACTIVELY OPPOSES homosexuality. You wouldn’t let me post Jon Stewart quotes on the Bush page, so why is this kind of crap aloud here? Tesfan 11:43, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

This is exactly the sort of thing that inspires violence against homosexuals. Be more neutral.Alloco1 12:34, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Good luck pal, I've been saying that for months. And watch your language, they'll ban you for that here. Maestro 12:46, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Politics and science

Dr. Ronald Bayer, writing in Homosexuality And American Psychiatry: The Politics Of Diagnosis said the APA decision was a political one, not a scientific one: "The result [of the APA removal of homosexuality from the DSM] was not a conclusion based upon an approximation of the scientific truth as dictated by reason, but was instead an action demanded by the ideological temper of the times." [2]

Liberal Deceit

I suggest we change the category from Deceit to Liberal Deceit because liberals universally support the gay agenda. --Konservativekanadian 22:26, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

• Good idea! --şŷŝoρ-₮K^{/Ṣρёаќǃ} 23:08, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

Bad idea. It's not deceit. Clorox 23:16, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Sources?

Are there any sources besides those accusing the gay agenda? There's no evidence of any organized "agenda", and all of the goals and such are provided by those opposing it. Best case, this is an article about a pundit talking point, and worst case it's a conspiracy theory masked as an encyclopedia article. Shouldn't it at least mention that there has never been any evidence of even a mildly organized or centralized gay agenda? The fact that it's permanently locked further undermines CP credibility. RWest 12:32, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Specific suggestion:

Focus on the Family quotes below from a leading book in the homosexual movement which outlines the points of the homosexual agenda:

There is no source cited here. The source is "The Overhauling of Straight America," an article which appeared in the November 1987 issue of a gay magazine called The Guide. Shii 22:44, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Thanks, I just added an online link to it.--Aschlafly 23:04, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Mottos?

The edit replacing "beliefs" with "mottos" was unjustified. There is a (baseless) belief system inherent in the homosexual agenda.--Aschlafly 18:41, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

References: "small looks better"

Why? All the other articles I've seen have references at regular text size. What's particular about this article that it needs to have really tiny footnotes? Sideways 17:24, 28 October 2008 (EDT)