Talk:Conservative companies

A useful website for looking up recent spending of a company is: https://www.opensecrets.org --David B ^(TALK) 10:56, 22 January 2018 (EST)
Also, this is a nice list of potential candidates, but each one should be checked, since I see reason to disagree with some of their listings: http://www.theamericanmaverick.com/2012/11/top-american-companies-supporting.html --David B ^(TALK) 11:15, 22 January 2018 (EST)

Should it be turned into an essay, or is mainspace more appropriate? --1990'sguy (talk) 11:11, 22 January 2018 (EST)

That is a good question I am still trying to decide on. We have the liberal corporate bullies page in mainspace, so since this is more or less the opposite of that, I think they should probably go together. Our "best/worst" pages are typically essays, but then, this lies isn't saying "best" or "worst," but just attempting to research and list which company generally act in conservative ways. That is more objective than a best/worst list. Because of this, I'm leaning more towards mainspace, but I can go either way. Do you think it should be an essay? --David B ^(TALK) 11:15, 22 January 2018 (EST)

I guess I lean in favor of keeping this a mainspace article. I asked because it seemed to me to resemble the "best/worst" essays because of the "Debatable whether conservative" section. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:20, 22 January 2018 (EST)

I can go either way also. I am also open to other titles for that section, too. I'm using it for companies which seem to support both sides to some degree, but seem at present to be leaning conservative. This is (obviously) very much a work in progress. --David B ^(TALK) 11:29, 22 January 2018 (EST)

Here is a case where liberal companies sometimes support conservative values despite their apparent leanings:
"Many major tech companies have already come out against the measure, including Apple, Amazon, Google, Cisco, and Facebook. Another letter on Monday signed by 14 CEOs from Dallas-based companies like American Airlines, Southwest Airlines, At&T, and Texas Instruments also urged legislators to drop the bill." [1] It doesn't mean they are conservative, but might be useful information in later development of this page. --David B ^(TALK) 13:18, 22 January 2018 (EST)

What??? Companies urging conservative Texas legislators to drop a conservative bill to require public school students to use the bathroom of their biological gender does not sound like something conservatives would do. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:36, 22 January 2018 (EST)

Ummm..."hold the phone." I got something messed up in research. That's why this didn't sound right--it wasn't. Thanks. --David B ^(TALK) 14:44, 22 January 2018 (EST)

Opinion question: What should we do when there is a conservative parent company, and thus multiple brands under them are as well? For example, Taco Bell is a brand which is conservative. However, this is because its parent company, "YUM! Brands" is conservative. This parent company also owns KFC and Long John Silver, which are therefore conservative as well. Is it best to be concise by listing the parent company (perhaps with some well-know child brands listed parenthetically) as I have been doing, or would it be better to list the well-known brands separately, then perhaps include the parent in parentheses? This would take more space, but might be more user-friendly. --David B ^(TALK) 17:26, 22 January 2018 (EST)

Well, I thought it seemed astonishing that we didn't have a page on this. As it turns out, we do: Greatest conservative corporations. I am thinking that since this page has a brander purpose, it should be kept. However, is it beneficial to keep both? should I perhaps change this to only list semi-conservatives? Any suggestions? --David B ^(TALK) 20:02, 23 January 2018 (EST)

I agree that this article is of higher quality than the older one. I recommend making the other article an essay, particularly as it has the word "greatest", which is subjective. It can have a link to this article and vice-versa. --1990'sguy (talk) 08:38, 24 January 2018 (EST)

If any of the companies listed in these articles (1, 2, 3, 4) are also listed in this CP article, we should probably note this. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:12, 24 February 2018 (EST)

Thanks for the heads-up. One company which was listed as "slightly conservative" (Hertz) has been demoted. I also added FedEx to that list, since they are still holding out in favor of the NRA, even though some of their other polices are liberal. --David B ^(TALK) 15:11, 24 February 2018 (EST)

I see that FedEx is listed twice in the article, in the "Slightly conservative" and the "Debatable whether conservative" section. Assuming this is a mistake, this should be fixed. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:59, 26 February 2018 (EST)

and that is why I was surprised to find that FedEx wasn't on this list.... it actually was. I did a search on the page, too, so I'm not sure how I missed it. Anyway, thanks for the heads-up, I've fixed it. --David B ^(TALK) 22:52, 26 February 2018 (EST)

More on the bright side: HotelPlanner.com chose not to cut ties with the NRA,[2] and Roku is refusing to censor NRATV due to its support of freedom of speech.[3] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:38, 28 February 2018 (EST)

That is good news! I've never heard of HotelPlanner.com, and I also can't find any political info on them. All I found was that it is a private company, and they are looking to buy up other companies. Roku I've heard of, but also had difficulty finding info on them. Apparently, 2nd vote had the same problem. Perhaps these two are staying mostly neutral? Not sure--do you think either should be added based on this alone? It seems like some pretty weak evidence. HotelPlanner made it clear that this had nothing to do with politics, they are just sticking to the business deal. Likewise, Roku basically said that unless it breaks the rules, anything goes. --David B ^(TALK) 23:30, 28 February 2018 (EST)

FedEx is really taking some heat, and still saying outright that they support the right of citizens to arm and defend themselves. Their donation list is less that ideal, but do you think they should be promoted to "somewhat conservative"? --David B ^(TALK) 23:33, 28 February 2018 (EST)

If they're too obscure to add, then it's probably best that they be left out. I'm just letting you know about these developments because they might be useful for this article, but I'm not necessarily advocating for them to be added. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:54, 28 February 2018 (EST)

They are not necessarily obscure, I just can't find political preference info on them right now. Anyway, thank you for the info! --David B ^(TALK) 00:06, 1 March 2018 (EST)

While Delta probably isn't a conservative company, it's possible that its action was misunderstood but poorly executed: [4] Either way, it just lost a big tax break because of the move: [5] --1990'sguy (talk) 23:55, 2 March 2018 (EST)

I heard a little about this, but not that is was a publicity stunt...very interesting! In any case, they certainly don't seem to be conservative (though to their credit, they do support the salvation army) [6]. --David B ^(TALK) 04:25, 3 March 2018 (EST)

Since almost all of those "big evil corporations" run by "the 1%" are flaming liberals, there are a number of corporate categories in which I cannot seem find a single conservative company. These include banks and financial institutions, insurance companies (I am excluding health sharing organizations from that category), automotive manufacturers as well as retailers and rental agencies, and airlines. These are categories where if you need the service, it seems that you have no option but to patronize a liberal establishment. Does anyone have suggestions of potential companies in these (or any other) categories they would like me to consider and research? --David B ^(TALK) 17:15, 5 March 2018 (EST)

There are at least a few small credit union and investment firms, but I don't know if they are notable enough to list. These include the David Holmes Agency (which I decided to list), Christian Community Credit Union, and Evangelical Christian Credit Union. Any thoughts on those? --David B ^(TALK) 17:38, 5 March 2018 (EST)

Many of the companies already listed in the article are obscure at least to most readers, so I think these companies would fit in. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:35, 5 March 2018 (EST)

Hmmm...I was mostly trying to go with larger companies people would recognize, with only a few exceptions. I guess I'm not doing a very good job at that. --David B ^(TALK) 22:25, 5 March 2018 (EST)

This article might be useful, either for this page, or for other articles such as the companies themselves: [7] --1990'sguy (talk) 14:54, 1 December 2018 (EST)

Thanks! It looks like this article and the one you linked to mostly agree. It does refer to Walmart as liberal, and while they are to some degree, they do actually support some conservative causes, which has landed them in the "debatable" category.

Unfortunately, it is much easier to find liberal companies, than conservative ones. The lean nature of this list is not for lack of research, but lack of candidates. In many cases, entire industries (such as cellular service) is liberal. The best you can hope for sometimes is a conservative retailer (like Patriot Mobile or Charity Mobile) which uses some revenue for good, then passes the rest of the money on to liberals who provide the service or product at a discounted rate. --David B ^(TALK) 22:35, 22 January 2019 (EST)

1990'sguy, you're sure the set width method is better, we can do that. However, my concern was that I keep seeing it set to a single collum only, even een it seems there should be two. I suppose we could try a different width though, or just leave it as-is. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 13:37, 19 May 2019 (EDT)

It could be the browser you're using, since it shows two columns on my computer using Chrome. I will make a minor tweak, and please let me know if it fixes it for you. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:40, 19 May 2019 (EDT)

Oh dear... this is probably worse. It does consistently show multiple columns on my screens, but on larger monitors, it is showing more than two columns. Alright, yes I guess we'd better stay with at least 35em. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 14:16, 19 May 2019 (EDT)

This article lists some businesses that advocated against pro-life laws in conservative states -- it might be helpful if their list overlaps at all with the companies in this article: [8] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:26, 10 June 2019 (EDT)

Thank you! I only found one entry which overlapped: United Technology Corporation, which is one of the few companies on that list that is actually reasonably large. It was already marked as "debatable," since it is a defense contractor with some significant donations to the GOP, but it has some serious liberal leanings. Most of these companies seem to be small or no-name foundations and companies (including some LLCs). Among the signers of this letter are Tinder (obviously an ulterior motive there), MakeLoveNotPorn (sounds suspicious), Soma Massage Therapy (ditto), Ladies Get Paid (feminist organization, I assume. Never heard of it before), Women Online and The Mission List (ditto), and Female Founders Fund (also ditto). It sounds more impressive if they just say "top executives of more than 180 companies" rather than "twenty companies along with 160 no-name organizations" --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 00:21, 11 June 2019 (EDT)

Notes (to self) for follow-up: look into "SoulCycle" and "Equinox (capital?)" Nether have anything of value listed on the usual indexes. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 23:27, 8 August 2019 (EDT)

The title of this article is "Conservative companies," and I don't want to stray far from that. I'm also not looking for an excuse to make the page larger. However, does anyone have thoughts on whether or not to add a list for companies that are politically neutral? Or perhaps a different page? Would that be helpful?
The thing is, many companies are just minding their own business (literally) and working within the free market to make a profit for their shareholders. That's how it is supposed to work, and it's what makes our economy thrive. Besides, that way no customer has their money being used for a cause they don't support. Rather than charging extra and then giving it to a cause some customers oppose, these companies choose to just do business while staying out of politics, and thus reducing their expenses which the customers must bear.
The list of such companies would be somewhat sizable. However, I'm not opposed to giving such companies some recognizance (and patronage). Any thoughts? --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 23:56, 15 August 2019 (EDT)

Such a section seems helpful to me -- companies which don't engage in the promotion of left-wing policy, despite not being explicitly conservative either. --1990'sguy (talk) 05:39, 16 August 2019 (EDT)

I think I'll get started on it, then. If this section gets too large, we can always break it off to separate page later, I suppose. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 23:29, 21 August 2019 (EDT)

How do they rank? RobS^{Live Free or Die} 20:26, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

I hadn't ranked them because they were such a small company. He's made a political splash now, so I guess we could include it. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 00:29, 22 February 2021 (EST)

It would be helpful if a brief reason accompanies each listing to justify their designated status. Currently, readers will have to dig through all the sources, most of which do not reveal their content in the reference list. The page Essay:Greatest conservative corporations is doing this already, though it's a much smaller page. --Luminoxius (talk) 03:35, 11 February 2021 (EST)

True, that's a good point. I wasn't sure how to keep the formatting clean, but at least a quick sentence might be a good idea.

By the way, here's CNN's hate-list of companies they claim weren't doing enough to support BLM. Funny thing is, I'd consider these liberal companies. https://www.ccn.com/7-companies-you-should-renounce-if-you-support-black-lives-matter

--DavidB4 ^(TALK) 00:28, 22 February 2021 (EST)

Thanks for your opinion. I thought about the format too, and I've been planning to transform the list into a table to keep it clean, separating company name from justification. --Luminoxius (talk) 19:06, 26 February 2021 (EST)

I was hoping to avoid doing that out of laziness...haha. Probably a table is a good idea though, if we are going to include justification. Question: what color scheme were you going for? I see Red and Yellow currently. Thanks for your efforts! --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 21:22, 27 February 2021 (EST)

Great to have support for the planned conversion! I am temporarily using decreasingly red colors as background for each category. My vision is to eventually combine all categories into one table, while using one additional column to indicate categorization, similar to this "notorious" list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources

I also think it helpful to include leftist companies (Coca Cola, Twitter, etc.) into the same table as well, otherwise we will have too many companies not listed and confuse readers who, like me, came here to look for companies not just to support but also avoid. As is seen from the example WP list, it is very easy to promote some while also denounce others IN THE SAME LIST. I don't think I have the user right to do this though, as it apparently involves moving the page. --Luminoxius (talk) 00:13, 28 February 2021 (EST)

I'm not sure I like the idea of mixing conservative and liberal companies on the same list...wouldn't it work better to make a separate list? I do agree that looking at this list and not seeing a company which we have research (and decided isn't conservative) doesn't really help the reader as much as listing out the liberal ones somewhere/somehow.

As for colors, it seems like red is typically thought of as "bad" or "no" (due to stop lights), so I think I like the green/yellow scheme you have doing on now.--DavidB4 ^(TALK) 23:41, 28 February 2021 (EST)

By the way, another outstanding issue is subsidiaries. In some cases, I listed each brand name, but when there is a parent company of a dozen brands, doing this will bloat the list. For example, consider "Flowers Foods." They have a bunch of brand names, but breaking it out will make the list messy. Leaving it as it is, though, hides recognizable brand names. Few people know what "flower foods" even is. Any thoughts? --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 23:52, 28 February 2021 (EST)

I think the current treatment of parent company and its subsidiaries is good. Sure, one can't easily find a brand by looking alphabetically, but for a long list it's easier to use ^f anyways. I'll circle back (:P) to the list expansion idea later (mainly to make the list more helpful while avoiding splitting). --Luminoxius (talk) 16:13, 1 March 2021 (EST)

Flowers Foods isn’t an obscure corporate name like Perrigo (manufacturer of most generic OTC medications) or Vi-Jon (manufacturer of GermX and many generic personal care products). For one thing, they have Flowers-branded bread stores that are company facing. I would say they are at least as well known as Unilevar, Proctor & Gamble, and ConAgra. They also provide products for a lot of food service establishments (like the SRQ rolls where I work). DMorris (talk) 18:14, 6 March 2021 (EST)

I can’t see the reference through the paywall, but several years ago I was told Progressive Insurance has ties to George Soros, and I know they pulled their ads from Glen Beck’s program on FoxNews to participate in cancel culture. Also, how is there any debate about Comcast, which owns MSNBC and has (or at least had) a liberal moron for a CEO? Are we sure this is accurate? DMorris (talk) 17:59, 6 March 2021 (EST)

Both addressed. Additional sources would be helpful. --Luminoxius (talk) 02:18, 7 March 2021 (EST)

Thanks for the call-out. Yeah Progressive doesn't don't sound good, at least not anymore. I'll look into Comcast, but you're probably right. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 15:09, 8 March 2021 (EST)

I don't mean to bloat this page, but might it be worth mentioning "O'Sullivan's Law?"
First published on October 27, 1989 (in the National Review), it states that "All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing." --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 02:56, 12 April 2021 (EDT)

I don't know. Newsweek moved from far left to center in the past two years. --Luminoxius (talk) 02:16, 9 May 2021 (EDT)

I haven't been reading their publication, so I'll take your word on that. However, such change can be driven by one person or a few individuals. I can't imaging a liberal indoctrination company just suddenly deciding to do the exact opposite of what they were before without being pushed that way. Nonetheless, we can leave this point out of this article. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 20:01, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

All other categories indicate the value status of a company, while the category in question indicates a change, not a status. The article has made it clear that value of companies is dynamic, so there is little need to emphasize some specific cases of value change. Those "no longer conservative" can only be either Neutral or Liberal, so they can all find home in other categories (Liberal as a category is a recent addition I envisioned to be helpful). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luminoxius (talk)

Fair point, it is an outlier of sorts. However, my original plan for this page was for it to just list conservative companies. If it's not conservative, it isn't listed. Then we decided to include neutral companies as well, since there's nothing wrong with just doing business in the free market, without getting entangled in politics. But without the "no longer conservative" section, if someone came and searched for Chick-fil-a a year ago, they simply wouldn't find it. Since this is not a comprehensive list, they would assume that it is a conservative company (as they were known to be), and that we just hadn't added it for some reason. The "No longer conservative" section was intended to show that yes, we have researched them, and in contrast with public perception, they are not actually conservative anymore. If we want to change this from "Conservative companies" to "All companies on the planet categorized by political affiliation" then yes, "no longer conservative" would be pointless. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 20:08, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

This brings us to a previous discussion where User:DavidB4 "agree that looking at this list and not seeing a company which we have research(ed) (and decided isn't conservative) doesn't really help the reader as much as listing out the liberal ones somewhere/somehow". I understand that the original plan for this page was simpler than what it has become. That does not prevent us from transforming the page into something more impactful. A page's name can be changed as it develops. Alternatively, we can have a new page for a combined list, which I will be happy to work on. --Luminoxius (talk) 23:39, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

Yes, I guess the question is, do we want a "conservative companies" page and a "liberal companies" page, in order to reduce bloat, or put it all in one big list, and hope it doesn't crash people's browsers? Having one big list seems like maybe a better option, but that page is going to be huge. Then we also have Liberal corporate tyranny which was intended to list out liberal companies, but it kind of became a jumbled mess and was largely abandoned. The other problem is that if we put liberal and conservative companies on the same page, the conservative ones risk being drowned out. Basically if it isn't recognizably conservative, it is most likely flaming liberal. The vast majority of companies are liberal, so the bulk of the content will be those. If we either leave them in separate sections as they are now, or come up with some other good way to separate them out, it might work. I know you were thinking of color-coding, and while that might help, I don't think that by itself would be enough. Does anyone else have any thoughts? --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 23:27, 25 May 2021 (EDT)

Can someone tell me a list of all companies that don't support BLM? I know defunct companies like Bradlees, Circruit City, Foodtown and Zody's don't support BLM since they are no longer in business (thank god), I need names of current ones.

I doubt there is a group that organized to not support BLM (despite leftist fantasies). You could look at the list of identified donors [9], and if a company does not appear on the list, then research to see if it has any parentage or in the investment portfolio of one of the names on the identified list. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 18:40, February 10, 2022 (EST)