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Here's some material that perhaps could be worked in somewhere; probably needs some more groundwork on CCP's control of the military. I lost the original source from PRA's site (People's Revolutionary Army). These are the strong arm badboys, or "commisars", who enforce ideological "correctness" in the ranks.

There is a page called "gongchandang" on the site - it means, "Communist Party" in Chinese, and so should be basically part of this page, but some eejit put it as the title of an article on the Nationalists. So currently, there are two articles about the CCP, or with titles that are the same.

Discipline Inspection Commission

The Discipline Inspection Commission of the Central Military Commission (CMC) held a plenary meeting on September 26 to study and discuss the spirit of the 4th Plenum of the 16th Party Central Committee and the Enlarged Meeting of the Central Military Commission and the 4th Plenary Session of the Central Discipline Inspection Commission, and study ways to implement them.
The meeting emphasized that discipline inspection commissions at all levels of the army must take the study and implementation of the spirit of the 4th Plenum of the 16th Central Committee of the Party and the Enlarged Meeting of the Central Military Commission as an important political task and grasp it firmly and do it successfully so as to give full play to their functionary role and provide powerful political, ideological, disciplinary and working-style guarantee. We must earnestly implement Chairman Hu Jintao's important instruction given at the Enlarged Meeting of the Central Military Commission on enhancing the capabilities of Party organizations at various levels of the army, further strengthen the building of discipline inspection commissions at various levels, constantly enhance their discipline inspection capability by centering on the central task of the army, enhance the capability to effectively supervise high- and medium-level cadres, improve the capability of fostering inner-Party democracy and protecting the Party member's rights, enhance the capability of enforcing discipline and handling cases according to law, foster the capability to assist the Party committees to improve the Party's style of work, organize and coordinate the fight against corruption, and do a better job of fighting against corruption and improving the Party's style of work in the army, so as to make new contributions to the army building in an all-round way.

5. Discipline inspection organizations of the Party
Discipline inspection organizations of the Party consist of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection, local Party commissions for discipline inspection at various levels and the grassroots Party commissions for discipline inspection.
The Central Commission for Discipline Inspection works under the leadership of the Party Central Committee.
The local Party commissions for discipline inspection at various levels and the grassroots Party commissions for discipline inspection work under the dual leadership of the Party committee at the same level and Party commission for discipline inspection at the next higher level.
The term of each Party commission for discipline inspection is the same as that of the Party committee at the same level.
The plenary session of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection elects its standing committee, secretary and deputy secretaries and reports this to the Party Central Committee for approval.
The plenary sessions of local Party commissions for discipline inspection at various levels elect the standing committee and secretary and deputy secretaries, and the results are passed by the Party committee at the same level and reported to the Party committee at the next higher level for approval.
Whether a discipline inspection commission or discipline inspection members for a grassroots Party committee shall be established or put into position is to be decided by a Party organization at the next higher level in light of specific conditions.
A general Party branch committee and a Party branch committee shall include discipline inspection members.
The Central Commission for Discipline Inspection may, if needed, accredit a discipline inspection group or discipline inspectors to central Party and state organs.
Leaders of the discipline inspection group or discipline inspectors may attend, as non-voting members, related conferences organized by Party leaders of the organ concerned.
Their work must be supported by the Party leaders and organizations of the organ concerned.

Pro-communist whitewash

Cut from article:

It was a political and revolutionary movement which claims to align itself towards Communism, but since the reforms implemented on it by Deng Xiaoping, it has become more of a totalitarian capitalist state.

This is the usual "Communism isn't communist" bullshit.

  • It makes the claim that totalitarianism is incompatible with Communism. Actually, communism is the foremost of the totalitarian systems.
  • It makes the ironic (but false) claim that Chinese Communism only "claims to align itself towards Communism", when in fact it has been one of the two chief examples of Communist empires of the 20th century. We all recall that each Chinese citizen in Red China (i.e., the mainland) was required to keep a copy of Mao's book in his possession at all times.

We need a better article on Communism which shows that totalitarian control of the people was always part of Soviet and Maoist communism.

We must not give in to pro-Communist propaganda which distracts from the FACT that Communism is anti-God, anti-freedom, and anti-life. 120 to 200 million civilians killed by execution or starvation, the Soviet GULAGs, the Chinese forced abortions, censorship, historical revisionism, etc. --Ed Poor 08:21, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

Should we mention the modern drive to capitalism?

Perhaps we should mention the drive towards capitalism in the last few decades within the party, without taking away from a focus on its horrible human rights record? Graham 17:53, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

If you'll define "capitalism", we can discuss this. Were you referring in any way to free market economics? You know, the system in which buyers and sellers are permitted to come to mutually satisfactory arrangements without government interference. Let's say you want to sell your car for $2,000 and I agree. What business is that of the government? (And would you call that Capitalism as if to brand it with a dirty word, or would you call that economic freedom? It's a win-win deal for both parties. --Ed Poor Talk 19:01, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

Capitalism in its simplest sense - the ability to buy and sell with undue government interference. There is no implementation of capitalism in the modern world in the manner you have mentioned - were we to do that today, there would be taxes, licence's and motor quality checks to consider. China has become a Capitalist country, similar to the USA. Capitalism is an economic theory which has an impact on the way people live their lives. China is communist is name only, comparable to the person who says he is a Christian, yet never attends Church, has never read the Bible and doesn't live his life under the guidance of Christian morals. The totalitarianism into which I'm sure you will divulge, is a byproduct of statism, a leftover of totalitarian socialism which will most likely peter out as the Chinese middle class continues to grow. This should all be taken into consideration in a sensible article about the Chinese communist party. Graham 19:11, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

I wish you'd make up your mind. You said both that (A) there is no implementation of capitalism in the modern world and that (B) China and USA are capitalist. I'll read the rest of your comment after this contradiction is resolved. --Ed Poor Talk 19:36, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
I feel I resolved this contradiction in the rest of my comment. The world is not black and white Ed, we cannot dumb down capitalism or communism into a few concise sentances. A pioneer of the law profession once said that 'Life is an exercise in the exceptions'. Read the rest of my comment, and then reply. Graham 19:43, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
"Drive toward capitalism" is commie prop; all societies, all, are capitalistic. By "drive toward capitalism" all you are referring to is ownership of capital assets by party bosses -- ownership by theft of assets beginning several decades ago. And this has been how all Communist parties have always functioned.
Now, you may be referring to some people being allowed to own chattel, such as cars and other personal property; this is not a "drive toward capitalism," this would be considered relaxing of some human rights abuse. Rob Smith 21:05, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

OK then Rob, you just tell me what is the difference economically between the USA and China. I'm sure you will absolutely no differences other than pedantic little points. Having had a cousin travel through China, she has told me that it is rapidly developing in an American, Capitalism culture. Every aspect of the economy is freeing up in ways unimaginable twenty years ago. Their human rights records is a disgrace, and I am not taking away from that whatsoever. Graham 09:54, 26 September 2007 (EDT)

Here's your predantic little point: GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principals). [1] IOW, China uses Enron accounting. Also, a severe lack of disclosure laws. This is why China's conglomerate manufactures are not listed on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. As it is now, ownership of these manufactures all tend to be in the hands of family and in-laws of the Chinese military. And the labour force are not AFL-CIO, they are gulag internees. The argument that these slave laborers in gulags are content to toil for a bowl of slop rather than be shot so thier kidneys can be marketed for export, while interesting, is not necessarily the universal condition of the oppressed working class Communists are dedicated to protect. It is generally understood only capital offenders are usually executed so the collective treasury of the nation can profit from organ harvesting of this evolutionary advancement in poltical, social, and medical science.
Take Norinco, for example; an immensely successful Chinese capitalist export manufacturer. It makes everything from cruise missiles, fuel air bombs, to garden sprinklers you can purchase at Wal-Mart. Even Martin-Marietta and Halliburton do not compete in the garden sprinkler business, although such technology does have a duel-use purpose for the dispersal of chemcial and biological warfare agents. Seems American based manufacturers are deliberately limiting thier opportunities. Rob Smith 12:24, 26 September 2007 (EDT)
"China is communist in name only." I'm so happy I'm doing a research project on Chinese communism. I'd like to point you to "5 Myths About the Chinese Communist Party". I would also like you to read "CPC vows to uphold Marxism as guiding ideology". "Commentary: false popular will, real selfishness" MIGHT apply as well. VenkuTurMukan 11:11, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

The most frightening thing....

In studying the organization and history of the CCP, one glaring contrast with the totalitarian regimes of Hitler and Stalin stands out: the only credible domestic threat to Hitler and Stalin came from within the ranks of the military. The Great Purges of the late 1930s were to weed out opposition to Stalin in the military, and it was the military that tried to kill Hitler in Operation Walkure in 1944. One of the biggest enduring Hollywood myths is that both Hitler and Stalin were supreme dictators with a blind military following. Such was never true, as both German and Russian patriots always existed in both the German and Soviet military whose primary allegiance was to their homeland, and not a political party.

In the case of the CCP the exact opposite is true. The People's Liberation Army is an armed wing of a political party and not of the state. Mao built it this way to avoid the problems Hitler and Stalin encountered, indeed this is one of the primary distinctions that separates Maoism from traditional Marxist-Leninism. To organize opposition against the party within the military among patriots to the homeland is an extremely difficult and risky thing, even moreso than in the German and Soviet experiences. Yet if a reform movement were ever to take shape, it remains one of humanity's only hopes, given the unlikely chance of the people of China ever being liberated from communist enslavement by regime change from forces outside of China. RobSLive Free or Die 10:58, 24 April 2020 (EDT)

Unlike the Nazi and Soviet models, where the party tried to spread its influence into the military, academia, industry, and society as a whole, the CCP's power base is in the military, which has spread its influence into societal institutions outside the military. This distinction is important for students of global problems to consider. The destruction of the Nazi party and collapse of Soviet communism give us little lessons as a roadmap to liberate humanity from the scourge of Chinese communism.

The CCP is a political party with nuclear and biological weapons. China, as a nation state, does not possess these weapons. The criminal CCP regime has monopoly possession of the Chinese nation state. These important distinctions must be recognized in any future treaty arrangements with the People's Republic of China.

None of these concepts are too difficult for the average America voter to comprehend. Chinese communism lacks a system of checks and balances on power, and this understanding of Marxist theory is what recently defeated Bernie Sanders in the Democratic party and why AOC draws so much criticism.

"Absolute power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." These words are written into the Preamble of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China formulated in 1982 with no input from the people of China:

"the Chinese people of all ethnic groups will continue to adhere to the people’s democratic dictatorship and the socialist road,

so there, we've successfully linked Communist China to the socialist movement in the United States. RobSLive Free or Die 11:23, 24 April 2020 (EDT)