Essay:The Groyper Wars

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I will call you out if you are a cuck or if you are an extremist. This seems to be a contentious issue.

I do not believe it is self-contradictory to agree with this while disagreeing with this[1] (but not with the response).[2]

Nick Fuentes is a white identitarian.[3] While it is interesting that the conservative movement seems to ostracize the white identitarian groypers while tolerating or even promoting the black identitarian "conscious conservatives," neither form of identity politics is truly justified.

Some people seem to be on the wrong side of this one.[4][5][6] Take Tarl Warwick, who defended Nick Fuentes while attacking Sebastian Gorka[7] and Ben Shapiro.[8] Or take identitarian Faith Goldy, who produced a blatantly false and anti-Trump propaganda video for VDARE in support of Nick Fuentes and his defenders that condemned Turning Point USA and the Trump Administration as "Conservative Inc."[9]

This is not establishment vs. anti-establishment. I am very anti-establishment. But these people attack movement conservatives as well as mainstream and establishment conservatives. The Washington Examiner may have forced its employees to get vaccinated against COVID-19 even before Biden's federal mandate,[10] but The Daily Wire has refused to comply with the mandate.[11]

You can disagree with Ben Shapiro on trade[12] or theology.[13] People have respectfully challenged him in those areas, and he has admitted when he has been wrong.[14] Even his own co-workers have disagreed with him[15] or held differing opinions from him.[16] You can do that without stooping to anti-Semitism or emotionalism, or attempting to humiliate him in front of his wife and children.[17] Ben Shapiro is right about the groypers,[18][19] despite the claims of some.[20] He is not the only one on the right side of this issue.[21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29]

I'm all for criticizing Breitbart News, as Nick Fuentes has done. When I heard that Breitbart News caved and fired Zionist[1] editor Katie McHugh for criticizing Islam,[2] I opposed and continue to oppose that. Fuentes is right when he says that Breitbart is no longer relevant and that not very many people read their articles anymore in all likelihood. He's right when he says that part of the explanation is that all the interesting people are gone (Bannon, Yiannopoulos, Shapiro). But he's wrong when he says the main problem with Breitbart is that it's run by a Jewish Zionist.[30] I've found Joel Pollak to be too politically correct at times,[31][32] but that has nothing to do with his Judaism or Zionism. And contrary to what Fuentes maintains, the establishment is not Jewish or Zionist --- quite the opposite, in fact (see The Establishment and Zionism).

The facts and the truth are all that matter. Disagree with Ben Shapiro on trade, theology, or the two-party system. Disagree with him on foreign policy or even call him a cuck (even though he really isn't). Don't attack him for condemning arguable bigotry in the form of identity politics for white people and anti-Zionist tangents. If he chooses to condemn that sort of thing, that's his right. That doesn't mean I always agree with Ben Shapiro: sometimes I do, and other times, I disagree with him (see Essay:Ben Shapiro's Milquetoastery). And I admittedly cringe when TPUSA shills for the Federal Reserve[33] and panders to the LGBT community.[34] I think they went too far in firing Ashley St. Clair for taking a picture with Nick Fuentes and Baked Alaska.[35] I think YAF went too far in cutting ties with Michelle Malkin for her speech defending Fuentes and the groypers.[36] But I think Malkin went too far as well. She even tried to start a Twitter brawl with Candace Owens over immigration.[37]

I'm a protectionist. I'm a populist. I'm a nationalist. And I am an anti-establishment anti-racist who opposes both globalist neocons and the far-right.

Yes, Hunter Avallone is a cuck.[3][4][5] Dan Bongino is also suspect.[6][7] But are you guys really much better?[8][9] And President Donald John Trump's philo-Semitism has been well-documented,[10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23] so don't you dare call yourselves Trump supporters. When President Trump signed an Executive Order combating anti-Semitism on college campuses,[38] these people complained about it.[39][40] One of these guys even told Andrew Klavan he wanted him and his family to die in a fire for criticizing Nick Fuentes.[41]

There are definitely legitimate criticisms of Trump, but those have little or nothing to do with Israel. And Donald Trump, Jr. didn't need to be heckled off the stage by an angry mob. Nor should Nick Fuentes have been banned from YouTube,[42] DLive,[43] Twitter, payment processors, kicked out of CPAC,[44] or put on a no-fly list like some kind of terrorist. He's not a terrorist. He's an eccentric young man with out-there ideas and erratic behaviour. Michael Knowles is a critic of Fuentes, but he won't hesitate to condemn the deep state for targeting him.[45] Good for him. Brandon Tatum, another Fuentes critic, has given him credit for standing up for the January 6 Capitol protesters.[46] DLive, an alt-tech and supposed pro-free speech platform, has also banned Vincent James,[47] Baked Alaska,[48] and Owen Benjamin[49] in the aftermath of January 6. In the past, they banned Alex Jones and InfoWars.[50] That censorship is wrong, and I have no problem condemning it.

We all just need to be reasonable.

References

  1. https://web.archive.org/web/20191118140056/https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/1159117322805743617
  2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR4ywKn7KXs
  3. https://tv.gab.com/channel/officialamericafirst/view/nick-fuentes-on-why-we-must-60f2d9a4d8aab4ca2b639892
  4. https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZIx5Ynd9_Sw/
  5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuGb54-F0kg
  6. https://archives.infowars.com/dan-crenshaw-suggests-criticism-of-israel-is-not-protected-under-the-first-amendment/
  7. https://www.bitchute.com/video/_wZLuDCM4zg/
  8. https://www.bitchute.com/video/JC-QFd1jkYw/
  9. https://www.bitchute.com/video/GuLEC0jTwSnj/
  10. https://thehill.com/homenews/media/565977-washington-examiner-to-require-vaccination-for-employees
  11. https://www.dailywire.com/news/daily-wire-leadership-lauded-for-standing-up-to-bidens-tyrannical-vaccination-mandate
  12. https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/03/12/debunking-ben-shapiro-tariffs/
  13. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyMCVjIvNnc
  14. https://www.westernjournal.com/ben-shapiro-admits-trump-100-right-100-wrong-latest-report-true/
  15. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPcJ0qSl0pA
  16. https://www.dailywire.com/news/klavan-networks-are-lying-about-trumps-trade-war-daily-wire
  17. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQDiPcBWEY
  18. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGrWly5uNUI
  19. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge_RUxBTHN4
  20. https://bigleaguepolitics.com/shameful-never-trumper-ben-shapiro-quotes-a-nazi-to-smear-america-first-patriots/
  21. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYVymZEA9es
  22. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkaZXqL4UuM&t=360s
  23. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/8/no-the-groypers-are-not-conservatives/
  24. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtpbD-cIcvE
  25. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfljAM9dDmM
  26. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZTe0WohCuo
  27. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTv6OmHFKUk&t=507s
  28. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltlGZUTo3qs
  29. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/very-disturbing-nick-fuentes-and-his-groypers-infiltrated-the-tpusa-event-last-night-and-bashed-gays-and-jews-video/
  30. https://tv.gab.com/channel/officialamericafirst/view/why-are-fox-and-breitbart-writing-60e4b292e73e5aad92db5ce9
  31. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EhuZ5Irwoo
  32. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnTdTHT9afI
  33. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBcnU4qvYcE
  34. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9_YAK6dU-w
  35. https://nationalfile.com/tpusa-fires-influencer-at-behest-of-jared-holt/
  36. https://nationalfile.com/yaf-caves-to-outrage-mob-fires-michelle-malkin-for-supporting-america-first-conservatives/
  37. https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1194298994073182208
  38. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqeicv7UPUs
  39. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eni-KPHZ6nM&t=318s
  40. https://www.bitchute.com/video/FdbclUSktBw/
  41. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-HwgTvcf2Q&t=246s
  42. https://reclaimthenet.org/nick-fuentes-banned-youtube/
  43. https://redpilled.ca/update-nick-fuentes-vows-to-fight-extremely-painful-legal-battle-against-dlive-for-illegitimately-banning-him-hours-after-the-new-york-times-ran-a-slanderous-hit-piece-on-him/
  44. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1HUHp3O-w&t=697s
  45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RABJd_-tOXE&t=355s
  46. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHcfX8adtE&t=1929s
  47. https://dlive.tv/VincentJames
  48. https://dlive.tv/BakedAlaska
  49. https://dlive.tv/OwenBenjaminComedy
  50. https://www.reddit.com/r/OfficialDLive/comments/bd5u1t/dlive_censoring_alex_jones_infowars_experiment/