Talk:The Golden Compass - Revision history

Jackin the box: /* Death of God */ new section

2022-05-11T18:10:47Z

Death of God: new section

TK: Reverted edits by Luminite2 (Talk) to last version by Jinxmchue

2009-04-19T01:09:38Z

Reverted edits by Luminite2 (Talk) to last version by Jinxmchue

Luminite2: /* Second-Hand Knowledge */

2009-04-10T16:22:53Z

Second-Hand Knowledge

Luminite2: /* Second-Hand Knowledge */

2009-04-10T16:19:07Z

Second-Hand Knowledge

Luminite2 at 16:18, April 10, 2009

2009-04-10T16:18:51Z

Jinxmchue: Feature film section needs slight correction

2008-05-11T03:57:07Z

Feature film section needs slight correction

Ed Poor: confusion

2008-05-09T03:18:13Z

confusion

Underscoreb: /* Learntogether */

2008-05-08T22:03:40Z

Learntogether

Learn together at 21:32, May 8, 2008

2008-05-08T21:32:02Z

Underscoreb: /* Learntogether */

2008-05-08T21:26:09Z

Learntogether

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	The figures for dollar amounts need dollar signs in front of them. [[User:Jinxmchue\|Jinxmchue]] 23:57, 10 May 2008 (EDT)		The figures for dollar amounts need dollar signs in front of them. [[User:Jinxmchue\|Jinxmchue]] 23:57, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
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		+	== Death of God ==
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		+	Can someone fix the sentence that describes God as being killed. He is presented as senile and dies in the final novel, to be replaced by His Regent, a Satanic figure, who is indeed killed. There are also errors in punctuation that need fixing. -[[User:Jackin the box\|Jackin the box]] ([[User talk:Jackin the box\|talk]]) 14:10, May 11, 2022 (EDT)

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	The figures for dollar amounts need dollar signs in front of them. [[User:Jinxmchue\|Jinxmchue]] 23:57, 10 May 2008 (EDT)		The figures for dollar amounts need dollar signs in front of them. [[User:Jinxmchue\|Jinxmchue]] 23:57, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
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−	Having read the series, I was surprised upon looking at this article. It does very little to explain the plot of the book (I realize there is a plot description in the article on the series, but it would be beneficial if it were here as well), and also is mainly comprised of saying "this book is anti-Christian". Anybody who has actually read the book would know that the church that is cast in a bad light in the book exists in an alternate universe. I was dismayed that it is locked, because I was hoping to make the article better because I have a first-hand account of the book. This article needs, in my opinion, to be unlocked and changed. [[User:Luminite2\|Luminite2]] 12:19, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

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	== Second-Hand Knowledge ==		== Second-Hand Knowledge ==
−	Having read the series, I was surprised upon looking at this article. It does very little to explain the plot of the book, and also is mainly comprised of saying "this book is anti-Christian". Anybody who has actually read the book would know that the church that is cast in a bad light in the book exists in an alternate universe. I was dismayed that it is locked, because I was hoping to make the article better because I have a first-hand account of the book. This article needs, in my opinion, to be unlocked and changed. [[User:Luminite2\|Luminite2]] 12:19, 10 April 2009 (EDT)	+	Having read the series, I was surprised upon looking at this article. It does very little to explain the plot of the book (I realize there is a plot description in the article on the series, but it would be beneficial if it were here as well), and also is mainly comprised of saying "this book is anti-Christian". Anybody who has actually read the book would know that the church that is cast in a bad light in the book exists in an alternate universe. I was dismayed that it is locked, because I was hoping to make the article better because I have a first-hand account of the book. This article needs, in my opinion, to be unlocked and changed. [[User:Luminite2\|Luminite2]] 12:19, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

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	== Second-Hand Knowledge ==		== Second-Hand Knowledge ==
−	Having read the series, I was surprised upon looking at this article. It does very little to explain the plot of the book, and also is mainly comprised of saying "this book is anti-Christian". Anybody who has actually read the book would know that the church that is cast in a bad light in the book exists in an alternate universe. I was dismayed that it is locked, because I was hoping to make the article better because I have a first-hand account of the book. This article needs, in my opinion, to be unlocked and changed.	+	Having read the series, I was surprised upon looking at this article. It does very little to explain the plot of the book, and also is mainly comprised of saying "this book is anti-Christian". Anybody who has actually read the book would know that the church that is cast in a bad light in the book exists in an alternate universe. I was dismayed that it is locked, because I was hoping to make the article better because I have a first-hand account of the book. This article needs, in my opinion, to be unlocked and changed. [[User:Luminite2\|Luminite2]] 12:19, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

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	The figures for dollar amounts need dollar signs in front of them. [[User:Jinxmchue\|Jinxmchue]] 23:57, 10 May 2008 (EDT)		The figures for dollar amounts need dollar signs in front of them. [[User:Jinxmchue\|Jinxmchue]] 23:57, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
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		+	== Second-Hand Knowledge ==
		+	Having read the series, I was surprised upon looking at this article. It does very little to explain the plot of the book, and also is mainly comprised of saying "this book is anti-Christian". Anybody who has actually read the book would know that the church that is cast in a bad light in the book exists in an alternate universe. I was dismayed that it is locked, because I was hoping to make the article better because I have a first-hand account of the book. This article needs, in my opinion, to be unlocked and changed.

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	Compass is just as anti-Christian as the C.S. Lewis tale, but its defenders are in denial. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor\|Talk]]</sup> 16:32, 8 May 2008 (EDT)		Compass is just as anti-Christian as the C.S. Lewis tale, but its defenders are in denial. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor\|Talk]]</sup> 16:32, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
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		+	== Feature film section needs slight correction ==
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		+	The figures for dollar amounts need dollar signs in front of them. [[User:Jinxmchue\|Jinxmchue]] 23:57, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

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	::And incidentally, perhaps Dr. Fox's comments could be moved to the 'Criticisms' section, since that's what they are. [[User:Underscoreb\|Underscoreb]] 17:26, 8 May 2008 (EDT)		::And incidentally, perhaps Dr. Fox's comments could be moved to the 'Criticisms' section, since that's what they are. [[User:Underscoreb\|Underscoreb]] 17:26, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
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		+	I find your comments confusing. Pullman seems to be simultaneously confirming and denying an anti-religious message: confirming in the sense of justifying, if that's what "there's more to it" is supposed to mean.
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		+	But this yawn is merely the usual atheistic argument: God can't exist because (1) the church is so corrupt and/or (2) the concept of God in the Bible is [worse than Satan].
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		+	If you're really interested, you might try summarizing Pullman's reasoning in addition to showing how he expresses his anti-religious message in his books.
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		+	By the way, "young adult" seems to be a publishing category for kids anywhere from 12 to 20. It's not the same as a strictly age-based demographic for consumers in general, where I suppose "Young Adults" are 18-30 or 18-25. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor\|Talk]]</sup> 23:18, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

	== My edit ==		== My edit ==

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	:Do you read? Let's make this abundantly clear, I will block you for good if you do that one more time. You claimed, when you went crying to Philip, that you had ALREADY SOURCED YOUR WORK when I reverted it. I called you for lying. Don't twist that to I'm threatening you unless you source your work. We are talking about your LYING, that you had already sourced your work. Do you get it now? [[User:Learn together\|Learn together]] 17:32, 8 May 2008 (EDT)		:Do you read? Let's make this abundantly clear, I will block you for good if you do that one more time. You claimed, when you went crying to Philip, that you had ALREADY SOURCED YOUR WORK when I reverted it. I called you for lying. Don't twist that to I'm threatening you unless you source your work. We are talking about your LYING, that you had already sourced your work. Do you get it now? [[User:Learn together\|Learn together]] 17:32, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
		+	::Learntogether, I was in the process of adding sources when I found that you had already reverted the edits I had made thus far. I didn't want to inflame the situation, so I thought I'd let it lie. In any case, what do you think of the sources I've cited below? [[User:Underscoreb\|Underscoreb]] 18:03, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

	But I maintain that while he did say he was "undermining Christianity", he's added that there's more to it than that. From his official website[http://www.philip-pullman.com/pages/content/index.asp?PageID=12]:		But I maintain that while he did say he was "undermining Christianity", he's added that there's more to it than that. From his official website[http://www.philip-pullman.com/pages/content/index.asp?PageID=12]:

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 Let's concentrate on issues like the age range of the target audience. I haven't heard of teenagers or preteens reading the book, because it's not as fun as Harry Potter. But I'm open about that. I'm not open about whether the book is anti-religious. On that score, Pullman couldn't be more blatant. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 09:57, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
-Thankyou, Ed - I appreciate your comments, especially when considered alongside Philip's. Unfortunately Learntogether has threatened me with a 5-year ban, which is disappointing (and surprising, given that his userpage tells me he "is pleased for people of all viewpoints who honestly contribute"). He has nonetheless requested sources to support my edits, which is fair enough. But I maintain that while he did say he was "undermining Christianity", he's added that there's more to it than that. From his official website[http://www.philip-pullman.com/pages/content/index.asp?PageID=12]:
+Thankyou, Ed - I appreciate your comments, especially when considered alongside Philip's. Unfortunately Learntogether has threatened me with a 5-year ban, which is disappointing (and surprising, given that his userpage tells me he "is pleased for people of all viewpoints who honestly contribute"). He has nonetheless requested sources to support my edits, which is fair enough.
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	I felt that maybe the nuances of Pullman's position (which is one shared by other atheists, myself included) might be of interest to other Conservapedia readers. [[User:Underscoreb\|Underscoreb]] 17:18, 8 May 2008 (EDT)		I felt that maybe the nuances of Pullman's position (which is one shared by other atheists, myself included) might be of interest to other Conservapedia readers. [[User:Underscoreb\|Underscoreb]] 17:18, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
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		+	::And incidentally, perhaps Dr. Fox's comments could be moved to the 'Criticisms' section, since that's what they are. [[User:Underscoreb\|Underscoreb]] 17:26, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

	== My edit ==		== My edit ==