Talk:Taiwan - Revision history

RobSmith: Do Not Put Usernames in subheadings! Do Not attempt to stir up personal strife between editors!

2023-11-16T20:44:16Z

Do Not Put Usernames in subheadings! Do Not attempt to stir up personal strife between editors!

RobSmith: /* I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version */

2023-11-16T20:13:58Z

I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version

RobSmith: /* I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version */

2023-11-16T20:13:19Z

I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version

RobSmith: /* I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version */

2023-11-16T20:07:21Z

I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version

Geopolitician at 18:56, November 16, 2023

2023-11-16T18:56:26Z

Geopolitician: Why I called the DPP's policies "woke"

2023-11-16T18:55:29Z

Why I called the DPP's policies "woke"

RobSmith: /* I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version */

2023-11-16T17:59:31Z

I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version

Geopolitician: Re: Global Times

2023-11-16T17:48:59Z

Re: Global Times

Conservative: /* I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version */ new section

2023-11-16T06:19:20Z

I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version: new section

Karajou: moved Talk:Republic of China to Talk:Taiwan over redirect: Corrected title

2014-01-07T06:09:35Z

moved Talk:Republic of China to Talk:Taiwan over redirect: Corrected title

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 The English-speaking world has been calling this entity "Taiwan" almost exclusively for a long time now. Proper copyediting procedure is to follow the ''Chicago Manual of Style'', which recommends deferring to the CIA's ''World Factbook'' on the issue of "country names" (§8.43). As you can see [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tw.html here], the CIA is very particular about using "Taiwan" and only "Taiwan." This usage complies with the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979. Taiwan itself addressed this issue with a "name rectification" campaign in 2002-2007. I looked around when I changed planes in Taipei recently, and every sign says "Taiwan" now. "Republic of China" has been retained in the constitution and in a few other contexts only because of the fear that China might retaliate if the name change ever became official.  [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:08, 6 January 2014 (EST)
-== I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP.  Reverting to PeterKa's version ==
+== I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP.  Reverting to last version ==
 I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP.  Reverting to PeterKa's version. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:19, November 16, 2023 (EST)

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	::::Now there are people on the planet who think "conservativism" means burying your head in the sand, remaining stupid and ignorant of demographic changes that naturally occur, and that post-1945 borders should never change. If they had their way, we'd be living within the borders of the Third Reich or Roman Empire, if you try to follow their reasoning. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']]</sup> 15:07, November 16, 2023 (EST)		::::Now there are people on the planet who think "conservativism" means burying your head in the sand, remaining stupid and ignorant of demographic changes that naturally occur, and that post-1945 borders should never change. If they had their way, we'd be living within the borders of the Third Reich or Roman Empire, if you try to follow their reasoning. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']]</sup> 15:07, November 16, 2023 (EST)

−	:::::For example: Lenin, Stalin, and Khruschev drew the 1991 borders of Ukraine without the democratic consent of the peoples resident there - yet these same [[neocon]] [[~~warmongers~~]] like User:Conservative pretend to be "anti-communist" and fight tooth and nail to uphold the "accomplishments" of communism. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']]</sup> 15:13, November 16, 2023 (EST)	+	:::::For example: Lenin, Stalin, and Khruschev drew the 1991 borders of Ukraine without the democratic consent of the peoples resident there - yet these same [[neocon]] [[warmonger]]s like User:Conservative pretend to be "anti-communist" and fight tooth and nail to uphold the "accomplishments" of communism. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']]</sup> 15:13, November 16, 2023 (EST)

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	::::Now there are people on the planet who think "conservativism" means burying your head in the sand, remaining stupid and ignorant of demographic changes that naturally occur, and that post-1945 borders should never change. If they had their way, we'd be living within the borders of the Third Reich or Roman Empire, if you try to follow their reasoning. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']]</sup> 15:07, November 16, 2023 (EST)		::::Now there are people on the planet who think "conservativism" means burying your head in the sand, remaining stupid and ignorant of demographic changes that naturally occur, and that post-1945 borders should never change. If they had their way, we'd be living within the borders of the Third Reich or Roman Empire, if you try to follow their reasoning. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']]</sup> 15:07, November 16, 2023 (EST)
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		+	:::::For example: Lenin, Stalin, and Khruschev drew the 1991 borders of Ukraine without the democratic consent of the peoples resident there - yet these same [[neocon]] [[warmongers]] like User:Conservative pretend to be "anti-communist" and fight tooth and nail to uphold the "accomplishments" of communism. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']]</sup> 15:13, November 16, 2023 (EST)

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	::So it's a debate whether [[wokeness]] imposed by America, such as [[gay marriage]], is worse than the [[CCP]]. Fine. That is not cause for User:Conservative to impose his woke agenda and defense of gay marriage by censorship of factual information. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']]</sup> 12:59, November 16, 2023 (EST)		::So it's a debate whether [[wokeness]] imposed by America, such as [[gay marriage]], is worse than the [[CCP]]. Fine. That is not cause for User:Conservative to impose his woke agenda and defense of gay marriage by censorship of factual information. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']]</sup> 12:59, November 16, 2023 (EST)
	:::Although imposing same sex marriage on the Taiwanese people right after they overwhelmingly rejected it in a referendum is certainly part of the equation, that's not why I called the DPP's policies "woke." The actual reason I called them "woke" is because those they, in general, are designed to "fundamentally transform" Taiwanese culture and '''permanently destroy''' all links between itself and its mainland counterpart. The DPP doesn't want Taiwan to be the "free China," it wants Taiwan to be a completely separate, '''non'''-Chinese nation. In other words, '''Taiwan is slowly transforming into the East Asian equivalent to Zelensky's Ukraine.''' Of course, this can only end badly...--[[User:Geopolitician\|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician\|talk]]) 13:55, November 16, 2023 (EST)		:::Although imposing same sex marriage on the Taiwanese people right after they overwhelmingly rejected it in a referendum is certainly part of the equation, that's not why I called the DPP's policies "woke." The actual reason I called them "woke" is because those they, in general, are designed to "fundamentally transform" Taiwanese culture and '''permanently destroy''' all links between itself and its mainland counterpart. The DPP doesn't want Taiwan to be the "free China," it wants Taiwan to be a completely separate, '''non'''-Chinese nation. In other words, '''Taiwan is slowly transforming into the East Asian equivalent to Zelensky's Ukraine.''' Of course, this can only end badly...--[[User:Geopolitician\|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician\|talk]]) 13:55, November 16, 2023 (EST)
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		+	::::That's a good analysis and explanation. The difference between Taiwan and Ukraine is, in Taiwan we support separatists (which are few in number) and in Ukraine we oppose the democratic right of self-determination of separatists.
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		+	::::Now there are people on the planet who think "conservativism" means burying your head in the sand, remaining stupid and ignorant of demographic changes that naturally occur, and that post-1945 borders should never change. If they had their way, we'd be living within the borders of the Third Reich or Roman Empire, if you try to follow their reasoning. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']]</sup> 15:07, November 16, 2023 (EST)

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 :The KMT happens to agree with the Global Times on this specific issue, as shown by one of the ''other'' sources that I cited in the edit you reverted. When you have the KMT and the CCP agreeing on something, that's important.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 12:48, November 16, 2023 (EST)
 ::So it's a debate whether [[wokeness]] imposed by America, such as [[gay marriage]], is worse than the [[CCP]]. Fine. That is not cause for User:Conservative to impose his woke agenda and defense of gay marriage by censorship of factual information. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']]</sup> 12:59, November 16, 2023 (EST)
-:::Although imposing same sex marriage on the Taiwanese people right after they overwhelmingly rejected it in a referendum is certainly part of the equation, that's not why I called the DPP's policies "woke." The actual reason I called them "woke" is because those they, in general, are designed to "fundamentally transform" Taiwanese culture and ''permanently destroy'' all links between itself and its mainland counterpart. The DPP doesn't want Taiwan to be the "free China," it wants Taiwan to be a completely separate, '''non'''-Chinese nation. In other words, Taiwan is slowly transforming into the East Asian equivalent to Zelensky's Ukraine. Of course, this can only end badly...--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 13:55, November 16, 2023 (EST)
+:::Although imposing same sex marriage on the Taiwanese people right after they overwhelmingly rejected it in a referendum is certainly part of the equation, that's not why I called the DPP's policies "woke." The actual reason I called them "woke" is because those they, in general, are designed to "fundamentally transform" Taiwanese culture and '''permanently destroy''' all links between itself and its mainland counterpart. The DPP doesn't want Taiwan to be the "free China," it wants Taiwan to be a completely separate, '''non'''-Chinese nation. In other words, '''Taiwan is slowly transforming into the East Asian equivalent to Zelensky's Ukraine.''' Of course, this can only end badly...--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 13:55, November 16, 2023 (EST)

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	I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version. [[User:Conservative\|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative\|talk]]) 01:19, November 16, 2023 (EST)		I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version. [[User:Conservative\|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative\|talk]]) 01:19, November 16, 2023 (EST)
	:The KMT happens to agree with the Global Times on this specific issue, as shown by one of the ''other'' sources that I cited in the edit you reverted. When you have the KMT and the CCP agreeing on something, that's important.--[[User:Geopolitician\|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician\|talk]]) 12:48, November 16, 2023 (EST)		:The KMT happens to agree with the Global Times on this specific issue, as shown by one of the ''other'' sources that I cited in the edit you reverted. When you have the KMT and the CCP agreeing on something, that's important.--[[User:Geopolitician\|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician\|talk]]) 12:48, November 16, 2023 (EST)
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		+	::So it's a debate whether [[wokeness]] imposed by America, such as [[gay marriage]], is worse than the [[CCP]]. Fine. That is not cause for User:Conservative to impose his woke agenda and defense of gay marriage by censorship of factual information. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']]</sup> 12:59, November 16, 2023 (EST)

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	I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version. [[User:Conservative\|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative\|talk]]) 01:19, November 16, 2023 (EST)		I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version. [[User:Conservative\|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative\|talk]]) 01:19, November 16, 2023 (EST)
		+	:The KMT happens to agree with the Global Times on this specific issue, as shown by one of the ''other'' sources that I cited in the edit you reverted. When you have the KMT and the CCP agreeing on something, that's important.--[[User:Geopolitician\|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician\|talk]]) 12:48, November 16, 2023 (EST)

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	==Let's stop confusing readers==		==Let's stop confusing readers==
	The English-speaking world has been calling this entity "Taiwan" almost exclusively for a long time now. Proper copyediting procedure is to follow the ''Chicago Manual of Style'', which recommends deferring to the CIA's ''World Factbook'' on the issue of "country names" (§8.43). As you can see [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tw.html here], the CIA is very particular about using "Taiwan" and only "Taiwan." This usage complies with the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979. Taiwan itself addressed this issue with a "name rectification" campaign in 2002-2007. I looked around when I changed planes in Taipei recently, and every sign says "Taiwan" now. "Republic of China" has been retained in the constitution and in a few other contexts only because of the fear that China might retaliate if the name change ever became official. [[User:PeterKa\|PeterKa]] 22:08, 6 January 2014 (EST)		The English-speaking world has been calling this entity "Taiwan" almost exclusively for a long time now. Proper copyediting procedure is to follow the ''Chicago Manual of Style'', which recommends deferring to the CIA's ''World Factbook'' on the issue of "country names" (§8.43). As you can see [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tw.html here], the CIA is very particular about using "Taiwan" and only "Taiwan." This usage complies with the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979. Taiwan itself addressed this issue with a "name rectification" campaign in 2002-2007. I looked around when I changed planes in Taipei recently, and every sign says "Taiwan" now. "Republic of China" has been retained in the constitution and in a few other contexts only because of the fear that China might retaliate if the name change ever became official. [[User:PeterKa\|PeterKa]] 22:08, 6 January 2014 (EST)
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		+	== I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version ==
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		+	I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version. [[User:Conservative\|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative\|talk]]) 01:19, November 16, 2023 (EST)

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