Talk:Race - Revision history

IHop: /* Did I revert my own revert? */ new section

2015-06-12T23:06:35Z

Did I revert my own revert?: new section

Getitstraight: /* Ethnicity */

2009-12-14T17:06:02Z

Ethnicity

PhoenixWright: /* Ethnicity */

2008-03-06T06:12:23Z

Ethnicity

TomMoore: Erroneous ridirect

2008-03-06T05:51:35Z

Erroneous ridirect

Karajou: /* Human evolution */

2007-05-19T19:44:01Z

Human evolution

Auld Nick: /* Human evolution */ The passage tells us...

2007-05-16T14:01:08Z

Human evolution: The passage tells us...

Ed Poor: /* Human evolution */ What nonsenses is this?

2007-05-16T13:16:04Z

Human evolution: What nonsenses is this?

Auld Nick: /* Human evolution */ Bible

2007-05-16T12:50:36Z

Human evolution: Bible

Ed Poor: /* Culture and law */

2007-05-16T12:33:50Z

Culture and law

Ed Poor: section needs rewriting

2007-05-16T12:33:40Z

section needs rewriting

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	==Race as a taboo subject today==		==Race as a taboo subject today==
	I came to notice less people in America and western Europe (any free world democracy) don't like the idea of "races" of people, as much they oppose the immoral ideology of "superior" or "inferior" races. Of course, the [[Nazis]] too were racists and hated non-Germans/whites around the world. They labeled the [[Jews]] as a separate "race" but the actual meaning is a "lower" species of humans, while most present-day anthropologists reject the sociopolitical "race science" that the Jewish people are "racially different" from non-Jewish Caucasians. Also the US census had historically declared Latinos, Asians, Arabs, Pacific Islanders, Irish, Italians and Poles "racially" apart from white Anglo-Saxons (or admittedly used terms like "Nordic" or "Aryan") in the racial/ethnological classification of people in the USA. + [[User:Getitstraight\|Getitstraight]] 12:06, 14 December 2009 (EST)		I came to notice less people in America and western Europe (any free world democracy) don't like the idea of "races" of people, as much they oppose the immoral ideology of "superior" or "inferior" races. Of course, the [[Nazis]] too were racists and hated non-Germans/whites around the world. They labeled the [[Jews]] as a separate "race" but the actual meaning is a "lower" species of humans, while most present-day anthropologists reject the sociopolitical "race science" that the Jewish people are "racially different" from non-Jewish Caucasians. Also the US census had historically declared Latinos, Asians, Arabs, Pacific Islanders, Irish, Italians and Poles "racially" apart from white Anglo-Saxons (or admittedly used terms like "Nordic" or "Aryan") in the racial/ethnological classification of people in the USA. + [[User:Getitstraight\|Getitstraight]] 12:06, 14 December 2009 (EST)
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		+	== Did I revert my own revert? ==
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		+	Or did I miss something? [[User:IHop\|Long day at work? Talk to me after port and starboard.]] 19:06, 12 June 2015 (EDT)

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	"Ethnicity" mistakenly redirects here, even though they are two very distinct concepts. "Race" is the grouping together of people based on superficial characteristics (i.e. black, white, asian, and so on). "Ethnicity" refers to grouping based upon shared cultural, historical, or similar heritages. Conflating the two is a very common error of ignorance, so we should not encourage it.--[[User:TomMoore\|TomMoore]] 00:51, 6 March 2008 (EST)		"Ethnicity" mistakenly redirects here, even though they are two very distinct concepts. "Race" is the grouping together of people based on superficial characteristics (i.e. black, white, asian, and so on). "Ethnicity" refers to grouping based upon shared cultural, historical, or similar heritages. Conflating the two is a very common error of ignorance, so we should not encourage it.--[[User:TomMoore\|TomMoore]] 00:51, 6 March 2008 (EST)
	:It as an error of fatigue; thank you or correcting me. I normally know better. An embarassing mistake to have made. Thanks Tom Moore!-[[User:PhoenixWright\|PhoenixWright]] 01:12, 6 March 2008 (EST)		:It as an error of fatigue; thank you or correcting me. I normally know better. An embarassing mistake to have made. Thanks Tom Moore!-[[User:PhoenixWright\|PhoenixWright]] 01:12, 6 March 2008 (EST)
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		+	==Race as a taboo subject today==
		+	I came to notice less people in America and western Europe (any free world democracy) don't like the idea of "races" of people, as much they oppose the immoral ideology of "superior" or "inferior" races. Of course, the [[Nazis]] too were racists and hated non-Germans/whites around the world. They labeled the [[Jews]] as a separate "race" but the actual meaning is a "lower" species of humans, while most present-day anthropologists reject the sociopolitical "race science" that the Jewish people are "racially different" from non-Jewish Caucasians. Also the US census had historically declared Latinos, Asians, Arabs, Pacific Islanders, Irish, Italians and Poles "racially" apart from white Anglo-Saxons (or admittedly used terms like "Nordic" or "Aryan") in the racial/ethnological classification of people in the USA. + [[User:Getitstraight\|Getitstraight]] 12:06, 14 December 2009 (EST)

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	==Ethnicity==		==Ethnicity==
	"Ethnicity" mistakenly redirects here, even though they are two very distinct concepts. "Race" is the grouping together of people based on superficial characteristics (i.e. black, white, asian, and so on). "Ethnicity" refers to grouping based upon shared cultural, historical, or similar heritages. Conflating the two is a very common error of ignorance, so we should not encourage it.--[[User:TomMoore\|TomMoore]] 00:51, 6 March 2008 (EST)		"Ethnicity" mistakenly redirects here, even though they are two very distinct concepts. "Race" is the grouping together of people based on superficial characteristics (i.e. black, white, asian, and so on). "Ethnicity" refers to grouping based upon shared cultural, historical, or similar heritages. Conflating the two is a very common error of ignorance, so we should not encourage it.--[[User:TomMoore\|TomMoore]] 00:51, 6 March 2008 (EST)
		+	:It as an error of fatigue; thank you or correcting me. I normally know better. An embarassing mistake to have made. Thanks Tom Moore!-[[User:PhoenixWright\|PhoenixWright]] 01:12, 6 March 2008 (EST)

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	This isn't gibberish, but I'm having a hard time understanding it. Please write plainly. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] 08:33, 16 May 2007 (EDT)		This isn't gibberish, but I'm having a hard time understanding it. Please write plainly. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] 08:33, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
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		+	==Ethnicity==
		+	"Ethnicity" mistakenly redirects here, even though they are two very distinct concepts. "Race" is the grouping together of people based on superficial characteristics (i.e. black, white, asian, and so on). "Ethnicity" refers to grouping based upon shared cultural, historical, or similar heritages. Conflating the two is a very common error of ignorance, so we should not encourage it.--[[User:TomMoore\|TomMoore]] 00:51, 6 March 2008 (EST)

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	::There's also some mention of animal breeding in the story of Jacob. Laban tried to trick him, but God blessed Jacob's efforts. Also a "design" argument which opposes evolution. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] 09:16, 16 May 2007 (EDT)		::There's also some mention of animal breeding in the story of Jacob. Laban tried to trick him, but God blessed Jacob's efforts. Also a "design" argument which opposes evolution. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] 09:16, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
		+	:::The Bible does not mention race at all, at least not the color aspect from it. The Table of Nations in Genesis 10 describes where on earth people had settled at following the Flood. Simon the Cyrenian was instructed to carry the Cross; Phillip encountered an Ethiopian eunuch; Paul was a Jew from Tarsus. The Bible will state where people are from, and there will be a few cultural aspects thrown in, but it says nothing regarding race and color. The way I see it, there's only one race on earth: the human race. [[User:Karajou\|Karajou]] 15:44, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

	:::The passage tells us that Modern [[Homo sapiens\|humans]] are the descendants of [[Noah]] and his family. The only humans left after the [[Great Flood]]. Since we are all descendants of the same family it is no surprise that we are very very similar. What [[Scientists]] believe merely confirms that. [[User:Auld Nick\|Auld Nick]] 10:01, 16 May 2007 (EDT)		:::The passage tells us that Modern [[Homo sapiens\|humans]] are the descendants of [[Noah]] and his family. The only humans left after the [[Great Flood]]. Since we are all descendants of the same family it is no surprise that we are very very similar. What [[Scientists]] believe merely confirms that. [[User:Auld Nick\|Auld Nick]] 10:01, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

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	::There's also some mention of animal breeding in the story of Jacob. Laban tried to trick him, but God blessed Jacob's efforts. Also a "design" argument which opposes evolution. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] 09:16, 16 May 2007 (EDT)		::There's also some mention of animal breeding in the story of Jacob. Laban tried to trick him, but God blessed Jacob's efforts. Also a "design" argument which opposes evolution. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] 09:16, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
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		+	:::The passage tells us that Modern [[Homo sapiens\|humans]] are the descendants of [[Noah]] and his family. The only humans left after the [[Great Flood]]. Since we are all descendants of the same family it is no surprise that we are very very similar. What [[Scientists]] believe merely confirms that. [[User:Auld Nick\|Auld Nick]] 10:01, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

	==Culture and law==		==Culture and law==

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	:[[User:Auld Nick\|Auld Nick]] 08:50, 16 May 2007 (EDT)		:[[User:Auld Nick\|Auld Nick]] 08:50, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
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		+	::Nonsense. The passage does not cite the Bible in any substantive way.
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		+	::Genesis does indicate that God separated (confused) the language of the people building the Tower of Babel - but this is an anti-evolution argument. It happened due to supernatural intervention.
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		+	::There's also some mention of animal breeding in the story of Jacob. Laban tried to trick him, but God blessed Jacob's efforts. Also a "design" argument which opposes evolution. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] 09:16, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

	==Culture and law==		==Culture and law==

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	If the point is not [[Human evolution]] but just the idea that skin color might change over periods of thousands of years due to [[natural selection]], then say it that way. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] 08:30, 16 May 2007 (EDT)		If the point is not [[Human evolution]] but just the idea that skin color might change over periods of thousands of years due to [[natural selection]], then say it that way. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] 08:30, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
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		+	:According to [[Conservapedia:Locks and Blocks]]:
		+	::''Sysop's and Bureaucrats are the Administrators of Conservapedia. Their instructions, as to Conservapedia policy and/or the appropriateness or inappropriateness of user actions, are to be followed. Failure to do so will result in the user being blocked.''
		+	:[[User:Karajou\|Karajou]], who is a [[Special:Listusers%26group%3Dsysop\|sysop]], has instructed us that the [[Bible]] is a reliable historical and scientific document [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia_talk:Commandments&diff=41919&oldid=40811%20talk:Commandments here], consequently the original version should be reinstated.
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		+	::Since the [[Great Flood]] human populations have gone through periods of isolation and intermixing which lead to differences between groups. [[Scientists]] believe that these are largely a matter of different statistical frequencies of variations from an agreed-on standard, rather than racial differences as was once thought. Modern [[Homo sapiens\|humans]], the descendants of [[Noah]] and his family, share approximately 99.9% of their [[DNA]]. Of the .1% that does vary, 85% of the observed variation is unconnected to membership of any particular group of people.
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		+	:[[User:Auld Nick\|Auld Nick]] 08:50, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

	==Culture and law==		==Culture and law==

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	:In constructing or deconstructing racial barriers, the law makes reference frequently to different kinds of "race." '''Cultural''' race is race based on a unique culture. Affirmative action post-''Grutter'' makes appeal to cultural race as a partial justification for affirmative action. '''Historical''' race makes references to the shared experiences of a people that have enhanced or degraded their status as community members. Creating an Israeli nation, for example, is a reference to the genocide & discrimination that Jews have endured as a historical race.		:In constructing or deconstructing racial barriers, the law makes reference frequently to different kinds of "race." '''Cultural''' race is race based on a unique culture. Affirmative action post-''Grutter'' makes appeal to cultural race as a partial justification for affirmative action. '''Historical''' race makes references to the shared experiences of a people that have enhanced or degraded their status as community members. Creating an Israeli nation, for example, is a reference to the genocide & discrimination that Jews have endured as a historical race.

−	This isn't gibberish, but I'm having a hard time understanding it. Please write plainly.	+	This isn't gibberish, but I'm having a hard time understanding it. Please write plainly. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] 08:33, 16 May 2007 (EDT)