Talk:Midrash - Revision history

BertSchlossberg at 16:03, April 2, 2008

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BertSchlossberg at 15:55, April 2, 2008

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Deborah at 21:18, April 1, 2008

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BertSchlossberg at 19:22, April 1, 2008

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BertSchlossberg at 19:20, April 1, 2008

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Deborah at 15:28, April 1, 2008

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BertSchlossberg at 15:20, April 1, 2008

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Deborah: New page: Christian can see Jesus in the Aqeda if anything implies Jesus is derived from stories in the Old Testament, also since midrash is a jewish concept, Christians see Jesus in the Aqeda shoul...

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New page: Christian can see Jesus in the Aqeda if anything implies Jesus is derived from stories in the Old Testament, also since midrash is a jewish concept, Christians see Jesus in the Aqeda shoul...

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Christian can see Jesus in the Aqeda if anything implies Jesus is derived from stories in the Old Testament, also since midrash is a jewish concept, Christians see Jesus in the Aqeda should belong under a seperate article like Christian Exegesis, since midrash is a jewish concept -- [[Image:50 star flag.png|12px]] [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah|(contributions)]] [[User_talk:Deborah|(talk)]] 10:25, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

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	The article on [[Christian exegesis]] should have a link to [[Midrash]] and vice versa. --<span style="margin-top: -3px;"> [[Image:50 star flag.png\|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah\|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah\|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 17:18, 1 April 2008 (EDT)		The article on [[Christian exegesis]] should have a link to [[Midrash]] and vice versa. --<span style="margin-top: -3px;"> [[Image:50 star flag.png\|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah\|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah\|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 17:18, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

−	The "stub" to the heading [[Christian exegesis]] you started is inadequate on two points. Christian exegesis involves interpreting what are considered the Scriptures. That involves the New Testament equally with the Old Testament. There is exegesis of the The New Testament and exegesis of the Old Testament (Also, much of exegesis is content with finding the surface meaning without any need to get deeper meanings). Secondly, Deborah, you have excised what I have here in the "Midrash" in "Christian Exgesis" because "material which had post-Christian Jewish texts being interpreted as talking about Jesus, since it logically makes no sense". What is in our Midrash article is not Post-Christian Jewish texts being interpreted as talking about Jesus but, rather, post-New Testament Jewish texts talking about Old Testament passages in a way very suggestive to the way the New Testament sees Jesus. I might add - though the final editing was late (6th cent.), it is thought that material from Genesis Raba goes back to the early "New Testament times" and thus no "far fetch" for comparison.	+	The "stub" to the heading [[Christian exegesis]] you started is inadequate on two points. Christian exegesis involves interpreting what are considered the Scriptures. That involves the New Testament equally with the Old Testament. There is exegesis of the The New Testament and exegesis of the Old Testament (Also, much of exegesis is content with finding the surface meaning without any need to get deeper meanings). Secondly, Deborah, you have excised what I have here in the "Midrash" in "Christian Exgesis" because "material which had post-Christian Jewish texts being interpreted as talking about Jesus, since it logically makes no sense". What is in our Midrash article is not Post-Christian Jewish texts being interpreted as talking about Jesus but, rather, post-New Testament Jewish texts talking about Old Testament passages in a way very suggestive to the way the New Testament sees Jesus. I might add - though the final editing was late (6th cent.), it is thought that material from Genesis Raba goes back to the early "New Testament times" and thus no "far fetch" for comparison.[[User:BertSchlossberg\|BertSchlossberg]] 12:03, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

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	The article on [[Christian exegesis]] should have a link to [[Midrash]] and vice versa. --<span style="margin-top: -3px;"> [[Image:50 star flag.png\|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah\|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah\|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 17:18, 1 April 2008 (EDT)		The article on [[Christian exegesis]] should have a link to [[Midrash]] and vice versa. --<span style="margin-top: -3px;"> [[Image:50 star flag.png\|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah\|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah\|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 17:18, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
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		+	The "stub" to the heading [[Christian exegesis]] you started is inadequate on two points. Christian exegesis involves interpreting what are considered the Scriptures. That involves the New Testament equally with the Old Testament. There is exegesis of the The New Testament and exegesis of the Old Testament (Also, much of exegesis is content with finding the surface meaning without any need to get deeper meanings). Secondly, Deborah, you have excised what I have here in the "Midrash" in "Christian Exgesis" because "material which had post-Christian Jewish texts being interpreted as talking about Jesus, since it logically makes no sense". What is in our Midrash article is not Post-Christian Jewish texts being interpreted as talking about Jesus but, rather, post-New Testament Jewish texts talking about Old Testament passages in a way very suggestive to the way the New Testament sees Jesus. I might add - though the final editing was late (6th cent.), it is thought that material from Genesis Raba goes back to the early "New Testament times" and thus no "far fetch" for comparison.

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	Deborah may be right. I don't know. I wouldn't be opposed to have the section as part of an article on Christian exegesis - which we don't have yet. It could be linked to "Midrash" for the fuller understanding and "Midrash" linked to it to see how this type of Jewish interpretation can enlighten the Christian perspective. What do others think?[[User:BertSchlossberg\|BertSchlossberg]] 15:20, 1 April 2008 (EDT)		Deborah may be right. I don't know. I wouldn't be opposed to have the section as part of an article on Christian exegesis - which we don't have yet. It could be linked to "Midrash" for the fuller understanding and "Midrash" linked to it to see how this type of Jewish interpretation can enlighten the Christian perspective. What do others think?[[User:BertSchlossberg\|BertSchlossberg]] 15:20, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
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		+	The article on [[Christian exegesis]] should have a link to [[Midrash]] and vice versa. --<span style="margin-top: -3px;"> [[Image:50 star flag.png\|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah\|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah\|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 17:18, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

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	Christians do not use the word midrash, the term is exclusively a Jewish term, Christian Exegesis do not always have to claim verses are prophetic, I think the section should be part of an article on christian exegesis --<span style="margin-top: -3px;"> [[Image:50 star flag.png\|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah\|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah\|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 11:28, 1 April 2008 (EDT)		Christians do not use the word midrash, the term is exclusively a Jewish term, Christian Exegesis do not always have to claim verses are prophetic, I think the section should be part of an article on christian exegesis --<span style="margin-top: -3px;"> [[Image:50 star flag.png\|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah\|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah\|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 11:28, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

−	~~Doborah~~ may be right. I don't know. I wouldn't be opposed to have the section as part of an article on Christian exegesis - which we don't have yet. It could be linked to "Midrash" for the fuller understanding and "Midrash" linked to it to see how this type of Jewish interpretation can enlighten the Christian perspective. What do others think?[[User:BertSchlossberg\|BertSchlossberg]] 15:20, 1 April 2008 (EDT)	+	Deborah may be right. I don't know. I wouldn't be opposed to have the section as part of an article on Christian exegesis - which we don't have yet. It could be linked to "Midrash" for the fuller understanding and "Midrash" linked to it to see how this type of Jewish interpretation can enlighten the Christian perspective. What do others think?[[User:BertSchlossberg\|BertSchlossberg]] 15:20, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

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	Christians do not use the word midrash, the term is exclusively a Jewish term, Christian Exegesis do not always have to claim verses are prophetic, I think the section should be part of an article on christian exegesis --<span style="margin-top: -3px;"> [[Image:50 star flag.png\|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah\|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah\|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 11:28, 1 April 2008 (EDT)		Christians do not use the word midrash, the term is exclusively a Jewish term, Christian Exegesis do not always have to claim verses are prophetic, I think the section should be part of an article on christian exegesis --<span style="margin-top: -3px;"> [[Image:50 star flag.png\|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah\|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah\|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 11:28, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
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		+	Doborah may be right. I don't know. I wouldn't be opposed to have the section as part of an article on Christian exegesis - which we don't have yet. It could be linked to "Midrash" for the fuller understanding and "Midrash" linked to it to see how this type of Jewish interpretation can enlighten the Christian perspective. What do others think?[[User:BertSchlossberg\|BertSchlossberg]] 15:20, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

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	I don't know, Deborah. When I think of Christian exegesis, I think of how Chritians interprete particular passages of the Old Testament, like Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9, etc. I don't think there is nowadays a distinctly Christian way of exgesis other that literary analysis and related ways that other types of literature are exegeted. (In older periods there was Alexandrian way and Antiochian way, though} There are, of course, distinctly Jewish ways of exegeting. If we had something under Christian Exegesis, it would be good to link there. I think all in all, it's O;K. to have the part in question under "Midrash" as I think the term is known to kowledgeable Christians and, of course, to many Jews - and the Midrashic literature does give a different slant on the O.T. than is gotten just from the Biblical text[[User:BertSchlossberg\|BertSchlossberg]] 11:20, 1 April 2008 (EDT)		I don't know, Deborah. When I think of Christian exegesis, I think of how Chritians interprete particular passages of the Old Testament, like Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9, etc. I don't think there is nowadays a distinctly Christian way of exgesis other that literary analysis and related ways that other types of literature are exegeted. (In older periods there was Alexandrian way and Antiochian way, though} There are, of course, distinctly Jewish ways of exegeting. If we had something under Christian Exegesis, it would be good to link there. I think all in all, it's O;K. to have the part in question under "Midrash" as I think the term is known to kowledgeable Christians and, of course, to many Jews - and the Midrashic literature does give a different slant on the O.T. than is gotten just from the Biblical text[[User:BertSchlossberg\|BertSchlossberg]] 11:20, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
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		+	Christians do not use the word midrash, the term is exclusively a Jewish term, Christian Exegesis do not always have to claim verses are prophetic, I think the section should be part of an article on christian exegesis --<span style="margin-top: -3px;"> [[Image:50 star flag.png\|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah\|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah\|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 11:28, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

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	Christian can see Jesus in the Aqeda if anything implies Jesus is derived from stories in the Old Testament, also since midrash is a jewish concept, Christians see Jesus in the Aqeda should belong under a seperate article like Christian Exegesis, since midrash is a jewish concept --<span style="margin-top: -3px;"> [[Image:50 star flag.png\|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah\|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah\|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 10:25, 1 April 2008 (EDT)		Christian can see Jesus in the Aqeda if anything implies Jesus is derived from stories in the Old Testament, also since midrash is a jewish concept, Christians see Jesus in the Aqeda should belong under a seperate article like Christian Exegesis, since midrash is a jewish concept --<span style="margin-top: -3px;"> [[Image:50 star flag.png\|12px]]</span><span style="position:relative; overflow:hidden; width:88px; height:15px; z-index:2;"> [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah\|<font color="gray">(contributions)</font>]] [[User_talk:Deborah\|<font color="darkslategray">(talk)</font>]]</span> 10:25, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
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		+	I don't know, Deborah. When I think of Christian exegesis, I think of how Chritians interprete particular passages of the Old Testament, like Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9, etc. I don't think there is nowadays a distinctly Christian way of exgesis other that literary analysis and related ways that other types of literature are exegeted. (In older periods there was Alexandrian way and Antiochian way, though} There are, of course, distinctly Jewish ways of exegeting. If we had something under Christian Exegesis, it would be good to link there. I think all in all, it's O;K. to have the part in question under "Midrash" as I think the term is known to kowledgeable Christians and, of course, to many Jews - and the Midrashic literature does give a different slant on the O.T. than is gotten just from the Biblical text[[User:BertSchlossberg\|BertSchlossberg]] 11:20, 1 April 2008 (EDT)