Talk:Manchuria - Revision history

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Bytemsbu at 21:14, January 5, 2021

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Bytemsbu at 21:07, January 5, 2021

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Bytemsbu at 21:07, January 5, 2021

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JoeJN at 20:38, January 5, 2021

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JoeJN at 19:23, January 5, 2021

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RobSmith at 19:08, January 5, 2021

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-As with Balochistan, on what basis is Manchuria being called a country? It is not recognized as a sovereign state by any country on earth. [[User:FabioZ|FabioZ]] ([[User talk:FabioZ|talk]]) 10:45, 5 January 2021 (EST)
 :Manchuria has a government in exile, including an administration, national symbols, embassies, ect. and was a country before the Soviet invasion. It is as much a country as Tibet or any other place conquered by the CPC. [[User:JoeJN|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN|JoeJN]]) 11:53, 5 January 2021 (EST)
 :::Other areas with their own cultures that are controlled by the CCP are referred to as countries on this wiki.  In addition, a country being a puppet of another county does not negate its right to soverginity [[User:JoeJN|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN|JoeJN]]) 12:51, 5 January 2021 (EST)
 ::::Why does the Manchurian govt-in-exile use the Japanese name Manchuko? Doesn't that invoke some bad memories? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:08, 5 January 2021 (EST)
 :::::I don't know.  I suppose it is not our choice to determine how they identify.  Part if it is probably the way monarchal titles work.[[User:JoeJN|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN|JoeJN]]) 14:22, 5 January 2021 (EST)
 :::::::That makes sense than.  To avoid further confusion, maybe you should include that in the article.[[User:JoeJN|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN|JoeJN]]) 15:38, 5 January 2021 (EST)

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	::::::Manchuria is definitely a country. Check out these maps [[https://www.loc.gov/resource/g7800.ct001989a/?r=-0.089,0.006,0.979,0.622,0]], [[https://tibettruth.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/1911map.pdf]],[[https://maps.nls.uk/view/101105755]].[[User:Bytemsbu\|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu\|talk]]) 16:07, 5 January 2021 (EST)		::::::Manchuria is definitely a country. Check out these maps [[https://www.loc.gov/resource/g7800.ct001989a/?r=-0.089,0.006,0.979,0.622,0]], [[https://tibettruth.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/1911map.pdf]],[[https://maps.nls.uk/view/101105755]].[[User:Bytemsbu\|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu\|talk]]) 16:07, 5 January 2021 (EST)
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		+	I propose we leave the word country how it is. Bytemsbu has provided a map from the time period before the occupation showing it as a country. However, we should expand the article as it is very limited compared to [[manchukuo]] and [[qing]] both of which only talk about points in its history. [[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 16:56, 5 January 2021 (EST)

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	:::::::That makes sense than. To avoid further confusion, maybe you should include that in the article.[[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 15:38, 5 January 2021 (EST)		:::::::That makes sense than. To avoid further confusion, maybe you should include that in the article.[[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 15:38, 5 January 2021 (EST)

−	::::::Manchuria is definitely a country. Check out ~~this map from 1932~~[[https://www.loc.gov/resource/g7800.ct001989a/?r=-0.089,0.006,0.979,0.622,0]].[[User:Bytemsbu\|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu\|talk]]) 16:07, 5 January 2021 (EST)	+	::::::Manchuria is definitely a country. Check out these maps [[https://www.loc.gov/resource/g7800.ct001989a/?r=-0.089,0.006,0.979,0.622,0]], [[https://tibettruth.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/1911map.pdf]],[[https://maps.nls.uk/view/101105755]].[[User:Bytemsbu\|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu\|talk]]) 16:07, 5 January 2021 (EST)

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	:::::::That makes sense than. To avoid further confusion, maybe you should include that in the article.[[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 15:38, 5 January 2021 (EST)		:::::::That makes sense than. To avoid further confusion, maybe you should include that in the article.[[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 15:38, 5 January 2021 (EST)

−	::::::Manchuria is definitely a country. Check out this map from 1932[[https://www.loc.gov/resource/g7800.ct001989a/?r=-0.089,0.006,0.979,0.622,0]].	+	::::::Manchuria is definitely a country. Check out this map from 1932[[https://www.loc.gov/resource/g7800.ct001989a/?r=-0.089,0.006,0.979,0.622,0]].[[User:Bytemsbu\|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu\|talk]]) 16:07, 5 January 2021 (EST)

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	::::::"Manchukuo" comes from the Wade-Giles romanization of 滿洲國 (Man-chou-kuo, pinyin Mǎnzhōuguó). The first two characters mean "Manchu", and the last means "kingdom", "nation", or "country". Its Japanese romanization is ''kuni'' (Kun) or ''koku'' (On). [[User:FabioZ\|FabioZ]] ([[User talk:FabioZ\|talk]]) 15:29, 5 January 2021 (EST)		::::::"Manchukuo" comes from the Wade-Giles romanization of 滿洲國 (Man-chou-kuo, pinyin Mǎnzhōuguó). The first two characters mean "Manchu", and the last means "kingdom", "nation", or "country". Its Japanese romanization is ''kuni'' (Kun) or ''koku'' (On). [[User:FabioZ\|FabioZ]] ([[User talk:FabioZ\|talk]]) 15:29, 5 January 2021 (EST)
	:::::::That makes sense than. To avoid further confusion, maybe you should include that in the article.[[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 15:38, 5 January 2021 (EST)		:::::::That makes sense than. To avoid further confusion, maybe you should include that in the article.[[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 15:38, 5 January 2021 (EST)
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		+	::::::Manchuria is definitely a country. Check out this map from 1932[[https://www.loc.gov/resource/g7800.ct001989a/?r=-0.089,0.006,0.979,0.622,0]].

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	:::::I don't know. I suppose it is not our choice to determine how they identify. Part if it is probably the way monarchal titles work.[[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 14:22, 5 January 2021 (EST)		:::::I don't know. I suppose it is not our choice to determine how they identify. Part if it is probably the way monarchal titles work.[[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 14:22, 5 January 2021 (EST)
	::::::"Manchukuo" comes from the Wade-Giles romanization of 滿洲國 (Man-chou-kuo, pinyin Mǎnzhōuguó). The first two characters mean "Manchu", and the last means "kingdom", "nation", or "country". Its Japanese romanization is ''kuni'' (Kun) or ''koku'' (On). [[User:FabioZ\|FabioZ]] ([[User talk:FabioZ\|talk]]) 15:29, 5 January 2021 (EST)		::::::"Manchukuo" comes from the Wade-Giles romanization of 滿洲國 (Man-chou-kuo, pinyin Mǎnzhōuguó). The first two characters mean "Manchu", and the last means "kingdom", "nation", or "country". Its Japanese romanization is ''kuni'' (Kun) or ''koku'' (On). [[User:FabioZ\|FabioZ]] ([[User talk:FabioZ\|talk]]) 15:29, 5 January 2021 (EST)
		+	:::::::That makes sense than. To avoid further confusion, maybe you should include that in the article.[[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 15:38, 5 January 2021 (EST)

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 ::::Why does the Manchurian govt-in-exile use the Japanese name Manchuko? Doesn't that invoke some bad memories? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:08, 5 January 2021 (EST)
 :::::I don't know.  I suppose it is not our choice to determine how they identify.  Part if it is probably the way monarchal titles work.[[User:JoeJN|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN|JoeJN]]) 14:22, 5 January 2021 (EST)
-::::::"Manchukuo" comes from the Wade-Giles romanization of 滿洲國 (Man-chou-kuo, pinyin Mǎnzhōuguó). The first two characters mean "Manchu", and the last means "kingdom", "nation", or "country". [[User:FabioZ|FabioZ]] ([[User talk:FabioZ|talk]]) 15:29, 5 January 2021 (EST)
+::::::"Manchukuo" comes from the Wade-Giles romanization of 滿洲國 (Man-chou-kuo, pinyin Mǎnzhōuguó). The first two characters mean "Manchu", and the last means "kingdom", "nation", or "country". Its Japanese romanization is ''kuni'' (Kun) or ''koku'' (On). [[User:FabioZ|FabioZ]] ([[User talk:FabioZ|talk]]) 15:29, 5 January 2021 (EST)

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	::::Why does the Manchurian govt-in-exile use the Japanese name Manchuko? Doesn't that invoke some bad memories? [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:08, 5 January 2021 (EST)		::::Why does the Manchurian govt-in-exile use the Japanese name Manchuko? Doesn't that invoke some bad memories? [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:08, 5 January 2021 (EST)
	:::::I don't know. I suppose it is not our choice to determine how they identify. Part if it is probably the way monarchal titles work.[[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 14:22, 5 January 2021 (EST)		:::::I don't know. I suppose it is not our choice to determine how they identify. Part if it is probably the way monarchal titles work.[[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 14:22, 5 January 2021 (EST)
		+	::::::"Manchukuo" comes from the Wade-Giles romanization of 滿洲國 (Man-chou-kuo, pinyin Mǎnzhōuguó). The first two characters mean "Manchu", and the last means "kingdom", "nation", or "country". [[User:FabioZ\|FabioZ]] ([[User talk:FabioZ\|talk]]) 15:29, 5 January 2021 (EST)

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	::::Why does the Manchurian govt-in-exile use the Japanese name Manchuko? Doesn't that invoke some bad memories? [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:08, 5 January 2021 (EST)		::::Why does the Manchurian govt-in-exile use the Japanese name Manchuko? Doesn't that invoke some bad memories? [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:08, 5 January 2021 (EST)
		+	:::::I don't know. I suppose it is not our choice to determine how they identify. Part if it is probably the way monarchal titles work.[[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 14:22, 5 January 2021 (EST)

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	::Doesn't make it a "country". Neither is Tibet. And before the Soviet invasion, Manchuria was a puppet state of Japan. [[User:FabioZ\|FabioZ]] ([[User talk:FabioZ\|talk]]) 12:47, 5 January 2021 (EST)		::Doesn't make it a "country". Neither is Tibet. And before the Soviet invasion, Manchuria was a puppet state of Japan. [[User:FabioZ\|FabioZ]] ([[User talk:FabioZ\|talk]]) 12:47, 5 January 2021 (EST)
	:::Other areas with their own cultures that are controlled by the CCP are referred to as countries on this wiki. In addition, a country being a puppet of another county does not negate its right to soverginity [[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 12:51, 5 January 2021 (EST)		:::Other areas with their own cultures that are controlled by the CCP are referred to as countries on this wiki. In addition, a country being a puppet of another county does not negate its right to soverginity [[User:JoeJN\|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN\|JoeJN]]) 12:51, 5 January 2021 (EST)
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		+	::::Why does the Manchurian govt-in-exile use the Japanese name Manchuko? Doesn't that invoke some bad memories? [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:08, 5 January 2021 (EST)