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	It was rumoured that Hargis had been seducing members of his college. In 1974 two of his students claimed that they had had sex with him - one was female, one was male (they had discovered they had both had sex with Hargis on their wedding night) - other students corroborated the story. This story was revealed by Time Magazine in 1976. As a result of the scandal Hargis was forced to close his American Christian College....}}		It was rumoured that Hargis had been seducing members of his college. In 1974 two of his students claimed that they had had sex with him - one was female, one was male (they had discovered they had both had sex with Hargis on their wedding night) - other students corroborated the story. This story was revealed by Time Magazine in 1976. As a result of the scandal Hargis was forced to close his American Christian College....}}

−	None of this kinda garbage belongs in a article like this. I can go elsewhere. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 13:08, 20 July 2020 (EDT)	+	None of this kinda garbage belongs in a article like this. It can go elsewhere. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 13:08, 20 July 2020 (EDT)

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	::::Ohhhh, I see where this going. Mary was about 14 years old (which she likely was) when she got pregnant by the Holy Spirit. With a formal acknowledgement of that non-scriptural "scholarly" fact, it would make this paragraph make some sense. Homosexual molestation is another issue. CP would do best to drop this paragraph from this article and deal with these controversies elsewhere.		::::Ohhhh, I see where this going. Mary was about 14 years old (which she likely was) when she got pregnant by the Holy Spirit. With a formal acknowledgement of that non-scriptural "scholarly" fact, it would make this paragraph make some sense. Homosexual molestation is another issue. CP would do best to drop this paragraph from this article and deal with these controversies elsewhere.
	::::With those sentences in it looks like CP condones homosexual pedophile molestation with a rather shocking defense of it. It's hard to believe this is even a controversy. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:48, 20 July 2020 (EDT)		::::With those sentences in it looks like CP condones homosexual pedophile molestation with a rather shocking defense of it. It's hard to believe this is even a controversy. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:48, 20 July 2020 (EDT)
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		+	===Billy James Hargis===
		+	[https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKhargis.htm From ''Spartacus International'' excerpted:]
		+	{{quotebox\|Hargis organized Christian Crusade, as "a Christian weapon against Communism and its godless allies". Hargis also ran an Annual Anti-Communist Leadership School. His daily broadcasts were carried by around 250 television and 500 radio stations across the United States.
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		+	A close friend of General Edwin Walker he became a member of the John Birch Society. Hargis used his national media network to promote right-wing politicians. This included writing speeches for Joseph McCarthy. ...
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		+	Hargis was a strong supporter of Barry Goldwater in the 1964 Presidential Election. In one radio broadcast Hargis accused the journalist, Fred Cook, of smearing Goldwater. When Red Lion, a Pennsylvania Radio Station refused Cook a right of reply, he sued. As a result of this case the Supreme Court established the "fairness doctrine".
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		+	In 1966 Hargis set up American Christian College in Tulsa. In his radio broadcasts he attacked the Beatles, long hair, the Anti-Defamation League, women's liberation and sex education and X-rated movies. He also promoted his college choir, the "All-American Kids".
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		+	It was rumoured that Hargis had been seducing members of his college. In 1974 two of his students claimed that they had had sex with him - one was female, one was male (they had discovered they had both had sex with Hargis on their wedding night) - other students corroborated the story. This story was revealed by Time Magazine in 1976. As a result of the scandal Hargis was forced to close his American Christian College....}}
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		+	None of this kinda garbage belongs in a article like this. I can go elsewhere. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 13:08, 20 July 2020 (EDT)

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 ::I deleted a section in the article about conservative Protestants and pedophilia.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:07, 20 July 2020 (EDT)
-:::I know there are homosexual, liberal Protestants and liberal Protestants embrace homosexuality.  And Bill Donahue of the Catholic League points out that it was male children who were primarily molested by Catholic priests and there was a male homosexual Catholic priest problem in the USA.[http://www.catholicleague.org/attempts-to-censor-donohue-fail/][https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/31/bill-donohue-catholic-sex_n_520187.html] I hear many reports about homosexual priests in the USA and in the Vatican (and staunch Catholics like Michael Voris are reporting on this matter too).
+:::I know there are homosexual, liberal Protestants and liberal Protestantism embrace homosexuality.  And Bill Donahue of the Catholic League points out that it was male children who were primarily molested by Catholic priests and there was a male, homosexual Catholic priest problem in the USA.[http://www.catholicleague.org/attempts-to-censor-donohue-fail/][https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/31/bill-donohue-catholic-sex_n_520187.html] I hear many reports about homosexual priests in the USA and in the Vatican (and staunch Catholics like Michael Voris are reporting on this matter too). See the video by the staunch, Catholic Michael Voris at: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vQTtEZenIw The Vortex — The Homosexual Papacy?].
 :::On other hand, conservative Protestants reject homosexuality and homosexuality is not a big problem within conservative Protestantism. And again, I don't see a lot of reports/statistics about conservative Christians having a pastor/pedophilia problem.

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 ::::Right, the bible condemns pedophilia in some places and condones it in others. Sheesh. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:39, 20 July 2020 (EDT)
-::::Ohhhh, I see where this going. Mary was about 14 years old (which she likely was) when she got pregnant by the Holy Spirit. Without formal acknowledgement of that "scholarly" fact would make this paragraph make some sense. Homosexual molestation is another issue. CP would do best to drop this paragraph from this article and deal with these controversies elsewhere.
+::::Ohhhh, I see where this going. Mary was about 14 years old (which she likely was) when she got pregnant by the Holy Spirit. With a formal acknowledgement of that non-scriptural "scholarly" fact, it would make this paragraph make some sense. Homosexual molestation is another issue. CP would do best to drop this paragraph from this article and deal with these controversies elsewhere.
 ::::With those sentences in it looks like CP condones homosexual pedophile molestation with a rather shocking defense of it. It's hard to believe this is even a controversy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:48, 20 July 2020 (EDT)

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 :Furthermore: The whole idea of "left wing" and "rightwing" churches is a non-scriptural concept that deserves treatment elsewhere. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 09:25, 20 July 2020 (EDT)
-::Bible believing Christianity/evangelical Christianity doesn't have a big problem with pedophilia. I have never seen this being a problem in my local area and I don't see it happening nationally. But the Catholic Church has a huge problem with this. The report released Thursday by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said the 2019 report — which covered July 2018 through June 2019 — counted 4,434 allegations of clergy sex abuse against minors.[https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/06/26/scandals-compensation-programs-lead-catholic-clergy-sex-abuse-complaints-quadruple-2019/]  A global look at the Catholic Church’s sex abuse problem.[https://apnews.com/8cb4daf509464bad8c13ef35d44a0fc5], Associated Press, 2019
+::Bible believing, conservative Protestant Christianity doesn't have a big problem with pedophilia. I have never seen this being a problem in my local area and I don't see it happening nationally. But the Catholic Church has a huge problem with this. The report released Thursday by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said the 2019 report — which covered July 2018 through June 2019 — counted 4,434 allegations of clergy sex abuse against minors.[https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2020/06/26/scandals-compensation-programs-lead-catholic-clergy-sex-abuse-complaints-quadruple-2019/]  A global look at the Catholic Church’s sex abuse problem.[https://apnews.com/8cb4daf509464bad8c13ef35d44a0fc5], Associated Press, 2019
 ::I have never seen statistics supporting that conservative Protestants have a major pedophilia problem. If someone does have such data, please cite it.

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	::::*"conservative Christians are also fond of citing Scripture selectively in order to expose hypocrisy while explaining away the same issues in their own camp (such as criticizing the Catholic Church for covering up child molestation"		::::*"conservative Christians are also fond of citing Scripture selectively in order to expose hypocrisy while explaining away the same issues in their own camp (such as criticizing the Catholic Church for covering up child molestation"
	::::Right, the bible condemns pedophilia in some places and condones it in others. Sheesh. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:39, 20 July 2020 (EDT)		::::Right, the bible condemns pedophilia in some places and condones it in others. Sheesh. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:39, 20 July 2020 (EDT)
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		+	::::Ohhhh, I see where this going. Mary was about 14 years old (which she likely was) when she got pregnant by the Holy Spirit. Without formal acknowledge of that "scholarly" fact would make this paragraph make some sense. Homosexual molestation is another issue. CP would do best to drop this paragraph from this article and deal with these controversies elsewhere.
		+	::::With those sentences in it looks like CP condones homosexual pedophile molestation with a rather shocking defense of it. It's hard to believe this is even a controversy. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:48, 20 July 2020 (EDT)

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	:::I did find these statistics about Protestants/pedophilia, but it doesn't differentiate between liberal Protestantism and conservative/biblical Protestantism: [https://www.dispatch.com/opinion/20181007/letter-book-reveals-pedophila-in-protestant-churches Letter: Book reveals pedophila in Protestant churches].[[User:Conservative\|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative\|talk]]) 12:29, 20 July 2020 (EDT)		:::I did find these statistics about Protestants/pedophilia, but it doesn't differentiate between liberal Protestantism and conservative/biblical Protestantism: [https://www.dispatch.com/opinion/20181007/letter-book-reveals-pedophila-in-protestant-churches Letter: Book reveals pedophila in Protestant churches].[[User:Conservative\|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative\|talk]]) 12:29, 20 July 2020 (EDT)
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		+	::::This is the biggest bunch of hooey I've ever seen:
		+	::::*"conservative Christians are also fond of citing Scripture selectively in order to expose hypocrisy while explaining away the same issues in their own camp (such as criticizing the Catholic Church for covering up child molestation"
		+	::::Right, the bible condemns pedophilia in some places and condones it in others. Sheesh. [[User:RobSmith\|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith\|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 12:39, 20 July 2020 (EDT)