Talk:Bipolar disorder - Revision history

Ed Poor: suggest deleting it

2010-03-13T03:00:05Z

suggest deleting it

Philip J. Rayment: /* Big Science */ Fix link

2008-10-18T12:17:18Z

Big Science: Fix link

LiamG: /* Links to more information and help */ new section

2008-10-13T18:26:53Z

Links to more information and help: new section

LiamG: /* Locked article */

2008-10-09T16:14:21Z

Locked article

HelpJazz: /* Locked article */ unlock it now?

2008-10-06T17:25:29Z

Locked article: unlock it now?

Sideways: /* Locked article */

2008-10-03T13:55:41Z

Locked article

Sideways at 13:54, October 3, 2008

2008-10-03T13:54:41Z

LiamG at 13:42, October 3, 2008

2008-10-03T13:42:16Z

FabioG: /* Locked article */ new section

2008-10-03T13:10:50Z

Locked article: new section

HelpJazz: /* Edit war */ unlock?

2008-09-30T16:05:40Z

Edit war: unlock?

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	I hate to be so forward, but please add these to the article! [[User:LiamG\|LiamG]] 14:26, 13 October 2008 (EDT)		I hate to be so forward, but please add these to the article! [[User:LiamG\|LiamG]] 14:26, 13 October 2008 (EDT)
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		+	==Article quality==
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		+	This is one of the worst articles at Conservapedia, although it might be better than the corresponding one at Wikipedia. In general, articles on mental health at both encyclopedias are poor in quality.
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		+	I suggest deleting all text of this one and starting over. There's no science here, only speculation and fussing about terminology. --[[User:Ed Poor\|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor\|Talk]]</sup> 22:00, 12 March 2010 (EST)

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 Notice the subtleties of the words I have highlighted.  This text is expressing the widely held consensus of the medical community, and some noticeable trends regarding bipolar disorder, ''not'' a fixed set of unsubstantiated facts as Bugler implies.  Compare this to the statement that "this conventional wisdom ignores pressing evidence for environmental conditioning", etc. etc. when in fact no such evidence has been provided or is likely to be provided.  Who is actually advancing their theories as if they are facts?  [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 20:27, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
-::Sideways, see [[Big Science]]. I hope that this will be the piece of grit around which the pearl of Conservapedian opinion will form. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:07, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
+::Sideways, see [[Essay:Big science|Big Science]]. I hope that this will be the piece of grit around which the pearl of Conservapedian opinion will form. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:07, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
 :::Well it certainly is a piece of grit; you're right about that.  [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 11:13, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

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	:::I think this can be unlocked. The <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag Henry added serves a good enough purpose for me. [[User:HelpJazz\|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz\|Jazz]] 13:25, 6 October 2008 (EDT)		:::I think this can be unlocked. The <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag Henry added serves a good enough purpose for me. [[User:HelpJazz\|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz\|Jazz]] 13:25, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
	::::I hate to be a bother, but I know Conservapedia gets really busy and I don't what this article to get lost in the shuffle. I really think we should add a link to a medical website and a help-line of some sort. The page can remain locked if it has to, I just want to get those links added in (and I'd really like to reword the EMpowerplus bit, but that might be too much to wish for). Would anyone able be willing? [[User:LiamG\|LiamG]] 12:14, 9 October 2008 (EDT)		::::I hate to be a bother, but I know Conservapedia gets really busy and I don't what this article to get lost in the shuffle. I really think we should add a link to a medical website and a help-line of some sort. The page can remain locked if it has to, I just want to get those links added in (and I'd really like to reword the EMpowerplus bit, but that might be too much to wish for). Would anyone able be willing? [[User:LiamG\|LiamG]] 12:14, 9 October 2008 (EDT)
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		+	== Links to more information and help ==
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		+	Since the article is still locked, I'll add the links here, and hope people check the talk page:
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		+	*[http://www.dbsalliance.org/site/PageServer?pagename=home Depression and Bipolar Support Alliance] - very comprehensive in both information and emergency help.
		+	*[http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/default.htm WebMD's Bipolar Disorder Health Center] - a bit clinical, but lots of information
		+	*[http://bipolarhelp.org/about.html BipolarHelp.org] - less of a centralized resource, but has many links to other sources of information
		+	*[http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ National Suicide Prevention Lifeline] - for emergency situations, '''please''' call!
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		+	I hate to be so forward, but please add these to the article! [[User:LiamG\|LiamG]] 14:26, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

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	:::I think this can be unlocked. The <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag Henry added serves a good enough purpose for me. [[User:HelpJazz\|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz\|Jazz]] 13:25, 6 October 2008 (EDT)		:::I think this can be unlocked. The <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag Henry added serves a good enough purpose for me. [[User:HelpJazz\|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz\|Jazz]] 13:25, 6 October 2008 (EDT)
		+	::::I hate to be a bother, but I know Conservapedia gets really busy and I don't what this article to get lost in the shuffle. I really think we should add a link to a medical website and a help-line of some sort. The page can remain locked if it has to, I just want to get those links added in (and I'd really like to reword the EMpowerplus bit, but that might be too much to wish for). Would anyone able be willing? [[User:LiamG\|LiamG]] 12:14, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

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	::On this basis, I think that the wording should be modified to acknowledge that the nutritional supplement is not widely regarded as a full alternative to medication. A citation from a mainstream medical or psychiatric journal would also give a better insight, if one can be found. [[User:Sideways\|Sideways]] 09:54, 3 October 2008 (EDT)		::On this basis, I think that the wording should be modified to acknowledge that the nutritional supplement is not widely regarded as a full alternative to medication. A citation from a mainstream medical or psychiatric journal would also give a better insight, if one can be found. [[User:Sideways\|Sideways]] 09:54, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
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		+	:::I think this can be unlocked. The <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> tag Henry added serves a good enough purpose for me. [[User:HelpJazz\|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz\|Jazz]] 13:25, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

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 ::The article was locked due to edit warring, since user:Bugler was using it as a platform to attack the sciences and speculate that the disorder is caused by liberal conditioning (see the second paragraph in the "Causes of bipolar disorder" section).  Since he has set up the [[Big Science]] article to pursue the same vendetta, this article can probably now be safely unlocked.  And since, after two weeks, he has failed to provide the "pressing evidence for environmental conditioning" he claims here, I suggest that this paragraph should be removed again.
-::Regarding the new content added by Conservative, the first and third citation are to the website of TrueHope, who manufacture the supplement, so should not be treated as objective source material.  The [http://www.naturalnews.com/023071.html second citation] gives a better overview, albeit from a 'natural health' perspective and confirms, that there a lot of skepticism and criticism regarding the product.  It concludes that:
+::Regarding the new content added by Conservative, the first and third citation are to the website of TrueHope, who manufacture the supplement, so should not be treated as objective source material.  The [http://www.naturalnews.com/023071.html second citation] gives a better overview, albeit from a 'natural health' perspective, and confirms that there is a lot of skepticism and criticism regarding the product.  It concludes that:
 ::''"Keeping in mind that this is only a nutritional supplement (regardless of what Health Canada says), the research suggests that it may be worth it for someone suffering from bipolar or other psychiatric disorders to look into trying this approach. However, this should be treated as a nutritional supplement and not an immediate replacement for medication."''
 ::On this basis, I think that the wording should be modified to acknowledge that the nutritional supplement is not widely regarded as a full alternative to medication.  A citation from a mainstream medical or psychiatric journal would also give a better insight, if one can be found.  [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 09:54, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

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	Why is this article locked? Please unlock it or at least undo the last three contributions by User:Conservative. They are spam. --[[User:FabioG\|FabioG]] 09:10, 3 October 2008 (EDT)		Why is this article locked? Please unlock it or at least undo the last three contributions by User:Conservative. They are spam. --[[User:FabioG\|FabioG]] 09:10, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
	:I don't think they are spam, but I do think we might want to reconsider including it in the article. Maybe instead of linking to Truehope's website, we could link to a site like WebMD or even a helpline. Also, I think Conservative meant ''Discover'' magazine. [[User:LiamG\|LiamG]] 09:42, 3 October 2008 (EDT)		:I don't think they are spam, but I do think we might want to reconsider including it in the article. Maybe instead of linking to Truehope's website, we could link to a site like WebMD or even a helpline. Also, I think Conservative meant ''Discover'' magazine. [[User:LiamG\|LiamG]] 09:42, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
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		+	::The article was locked due to edit warring, since user:Bugler was using it as a platform to attack the sciences and speculate that the disorder is caused by liberal conditioning (see the second paragraph in the "Causes of bipolar disorder" section). Since he has set up the [[Big Science]] article to pursue the same vendetta, this article can probably now be safely unlocked. And since, after two weeks, he has failed to provide the "pressing evidence for environmental conditioning" he claims here, I suggest that this paragraph should be removed again.
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		+	::Regarding the new content added by Conservative, the first and third citation are to the website of TrueHope, who manufacture the supplement, so should not be treated as objective source material. The [http://www.naturalnews.com/023071.html second citation] gives a better overview, albeit from a 'natural health' perspective and confirms, that there a lot of skepticism and criticism regarding the product. It concludes that:
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		+	::''"Keeping in mind that this is only a nutritional supplement (regardless of what Health Canada says), the research suggests that it may be worth it for someone suffering from bipolar or other psychiatric disorders to look into trying this approach. However, this should be treated as a nutritional supplement and not an immediate replacement for medication."''
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		+	::On this basis, I think that the wording should be modified to acknowledge that the nutritional supplement is not widely regarded as a full alternative to medication. A citation from a mainstream medical or psychiatric journal would also give a better insight, if one can be found. [[User:Sideways\|Sideways]] 09:54, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

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	Why is this article locked? Please unlock it or at least undo the last three contributions by User:Conservative. They are spam. --[[User:FabioG\|FabioG]] 09:10, 3 October 2008 (EDT)		Why is this article locked? Please unlock it or at least undo the last three contributions by User:Conservative. They are spam. --[[User:FabioG\|FabioG]] 09:10, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
		+	:I don't think they are spam, but I do think we might want to reconsider including it in the article. Maybe instead of linking to Truehope's website, we could link to a site like WebMD or even a helpline. Also, I think Conservative meant ''Discover'' magazine. [[User:LiamG\|LiamG]] 09:42, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

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	[[User:Markr\|Markr]] 23:34, 16 September 2008 (EDT)		[[User:Markr\|Markr]] 23:34, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
	::Maybe a link to a page like [http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/default.htm this]? I had a friend who was bipolar. He "self-stopped" his medication during a mania. Maybe a link to some sort of help phone line or something would be good? [[User:LiamG\|LiamG]] 23:06, 19 September 2008 (EDT)		::Maybe a link to a page like [http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/default.htm this]? I had a friend who was bipolar. He "self-stopped" his medication during a mania. Maybe a link to some sort of help phone line or something would be good? [[User:LiamG\|LiamG]] 23:06, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
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		+	== Locked article ==
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		+	Why is this article locked? Please unlock it or at least undo the last three contributions by User:Conservative. They are spam. --[[User:FabioG\|FabioG]] 09:10, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

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 ::::::That's the one. Henry? Any opinons? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 20:17, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
 :::::::I added a "citation needed" for now. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 20:37, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
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