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Talk:Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now

2008-11-06T23:00:51Z

WPalmer: /* OK People */

Some strange reason, references does not show up. --'''Jpatt'''[[User:Jpatt| ]] 22:17, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
:Fixed :) [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 22:22, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

I'm not sure why we're getting so up in arms about this. It has little to no bearing on the actual election...they tried to register Mickey Mouse for crying out loud! Did ACORN actually think they might get away with it? Perhaps more disconcerting: Did we? I'll admit it isn't exactly upholding the moral code of this wonderful nation, but I don't think it was a serious ploy to create an army of voters that didn't exist for Sen. Obama. [[User:Acwellman|Acwellman]] 23:19, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Hey, I removed a few sentences (regardless of whether or not anecdotal evidence supports them) from the above because they are not properly cited. They seemed to reflect opinion, not fact. [[User:Acwellman|Acwellman]] 23:22, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

== OK People ==

Here's the thing, DRamon. First of all, the way the sentence reads, it certainly implies that Obama won the election because of ACORN. If that's not what you are alleging, then change the sentence. If that is what you wanted to imply, then find a reference that claims 7.8 million votes were fake.

Secondly, you are claiming that you don't need a citation because the evidence is given in the rest of the article, but it's not. You are claiming that there were fradulant ''votes'' for Obama, and the article supplies evidence that there were fraudulant ''registrations''. You claim that if there were fake registrations there ''must'' have been fake votes, but that's not necessarily true. There is a huge jump between people putting down "Mickey Mouse" on a form so that their boss pays them 50 cents extra, and actually faking a "Mickey Mouse" ID and having someone vote. I don't know how it is where you live, but in Ohio, it's pretty hard to fake a vote without a much larger conspiracy. If there is a conspiracy, there should be some evidence of it. This evidence goes into the fact tag which I am about to put back in. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 11:52, 6 November 2008 (EST)

:the thing is, nobody would know if a fraudulent vote was made, since it would be counted. Any time there's news about fraudulent '''registration''' (not voter fraud), the report originally came from ACORN itself... otherwise nobody, not even the GOP, would know and complain about it. See [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdNgMKPV9xQ this]. Everything you heard about registration fraud has been reported, caught, and dealt with by ACORN already. These things are caught by voter registration elections offices and tossed out. Even then, these fake registered voters have to actually show up at a poll and present an ID and vote to actually pull off fraud. Then, if caught, its a felony with some huge consequence that nobody is willing to risk voting twice for...

:Also, by the same logic, we can say that the GOP folks who were arrested for fraudulent registration contributed to McCain's campaign, so you should add that to the statement too. xP [[User:Ema|Ema]] 12:04, 6 November 2008 (EST)

::HelpJazz, your statement is plumb wrong. DRamon's sentence implies nothing of the sort. For once, a 'fact' tag has been correctly applied to your words. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 12:06, 6 November 2008 (EST)
:::''If that's not what you are alleging, then change the sentence.'' It's not what he's alleging. He has no reason to change the sentence - why don't '''you''' learn to read properly? [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 12:09, 6 November 2008 (EST)
::::Bugler, your comments are simply assertions which you can't prove and provide no imput to the discussion. How about instead of attacking me in some sad attempt to get me to leave the site and go back into my cesspit, you respond to the argument at hand. Whether or not he actually meant that ACORN ''won'' the election or ACORN supplied ''one vote'' in the election is inconsequential to the ''need'' for a citation, it just speaks to what the citation actually needs to say. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 12:15, 6 November 2008 (EST)
:::::Someone needs a 2 day block to calm down and stop flinging imprecations... XD!!!
:::::if you're going to leave it there without citations, at least add that it aided McCain's campaign too... its not like they collected ONLY Obama votes... so obviously, ''logic'' dictates it helped McCain too! xD [[User:Ema|Ema]] 12:20, 6 November 2008 (EST)

My comments are not 'simply assertions' as HelpJazz inaccurately says; they are statements based on the simple truth of the matter. HelpJazz says that DRamon's sentence ''certainly implies that Obama won the election because of ACORN''. What DRamon actually says is this: ''Electoral fraud perpetrated by ACORN contributed to Barack Obama's victory in the 2008 presidential elections.'' If HelpJazz cannot see the difference between the two statements, he needs to go and take a course in elementary logic. I have already made these points, which makes HelpJazz's imprecations all the more mystifying. I can only assume that, as a fully-paid up member of the Bugler Bashing Club, the old red mist descends whenever he sees my name. He really ought to desist, for the sake of his blood pressure if nothing else. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 12:28, 6 November 2008 (EST)

:''HelpJazz, your statement is plumb wrong.'' That's an assertion backed up by ''DRamon's sentence implies nothing of the sort'', another assertion. ''It's not what he's alleging''. Another assertion. ''He has no reason to change the sentence''. Assertion. ''why don't '''you''' learn to read properly?'' Pretty much an assertion, and an ad hom to boot.

:Next, I have already stated that whichever meaning DRamon meant, it needs a citation. If he meant that ACORN contributed 1 or more votes fraudlently, as you read the sentence, then he needs a citation. If he meant that ACORN won the election for him, as I read the sentence, then he needs a citation. Do you see? It doesn't matter if I can't read, because it needs a citation.

:Thirdly let's address your claims that I'm ony doing this because you are invovled: clearly, you have a bit of a persecution complex. This started before you were involved, and I made my initial comments before you were involved, so clearly this isn't about you. Get over yourself. Stick to the relevant argument at hand. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 12:41, 6 November 2008 (EST)

:Oh, my! While of course for you to say that ''[Bugler is] attacking me in some sad attempt to get me to leave the site and go back into my cesspit'' is merely an objective statement of fact. What a funny little chap you are at times. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 12:49, 6 November 2008 (EST)

::So what? That has what to do with ACORN? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 13:08, 6 November 2008 (EST)
:::''So what?'' Dear me. You launch ad hom attacks, accuse me of doing so, and when I address the insulting remarks you make, you accuse me of changing the subject. HelpJazz, I hope you get good royalties - clearly you are the author of the Liberal Book of Tricks. Let me ''So What?'' you, my friend: what has your insulting and lying claim that I am trying to force you out of Conservapedia got to do with ACORN? [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 15:29, 6 November 2008 (EST)
::::Here it is in plain language: Bugler it is very obvious to me that the only reason you are here is because I commented. Instead of discussing the issue at hand, you turned it onto ''me''. Is that enough for you? If you want to discuss it further, ''go somewhere else''. This page is for discussing ACORN, not for discussing how I am on a single-man campaign (or, God forbid, part of an intricate conspiracy) to "bash" you for no reason which has yet to be put forth. If you have anything else to say about ''ACORN'', please say it. If not, then don't continue this discussion on this page. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 16:20, 6 November 2008 (EST)
:::::I came here to help sort out a situiation between you and DRamon, who I felt was being treated unfairly. The points you were - and are - making lacked logical rigour. You have taken offence at my pointing this out and launched a series of personal attacks on me, while at the same time attempting to pretend that I am the one motivated by personal animus. You are starting to sound overwrought - if I were you, I should take a break, have a nice cup of tea, and try to calm down and move on. We all feel the strain of work from time to time, and I'm not blaming you for your outbursts, but you really need to take care of your own wellbeing. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 16:28, 6 November 2008 (EST)
::::::It's cute, Bugler, that you think you are working me up. Your patronizing tone is duly noted.
::::::Back on topic (finally!): your entire argument boils down to the assertion that my argument lacks "logical rigour". Do you care to explain this for my Liberal brain? I have already told you that it doesn't matter what my interpretation of the statement is, because either way a citation is needed. Where's the logical flaw in that? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 16:41, 6 November 2008 (EST)
:::::::Because it isn't. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 16:45, 6 November 2008 (EST)
::::::::It isn't what? If you aren't here to collaborate, can you just go somewhere else? I'm trying to work with you here. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 16:51, 6 November 2008 (EST)
:::::::::I'm trying to be patient here, HelpJazz. A citation isn't needed. You may think it is, but you clearly aren't thinking too rationally at the moment. A citation isn't needed because the example you gave is erroneous. You wrote ''If he meant that ACORN contributed 1 or more votes fraudlently, as you read the sentence, then he needs a citation''. This doesn't need a citation because it is completely, transparently obvious that fraudulent votes obtained by this organisation were going to go totally or by overwhelming majority to Obama. Therefore one doesn't need a citation that Mr X. of Acacia Avenue voted fraudulently for Obama; the case is proven beyond reasonable doubt by the likelihood of the way the votes went. Enough. Finis. Fin. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 17:07, 6 November 2008 (EST)
::::::::::But ACORN also took votes for McCain, not just Obama... soooooo fraud works for both sides?? At least include mcCain's campaign! (I still think a 2 day block would be nice for mini trumpet boy... the way he stalks and insults editors is really disturbing if you check his contributions T_T) [[User:Ema|Ema]] 17:46, 6 November 2008 (EST)

Bugler: It may be completely, transparently obvious ''right now'' that ACORN's fraudulent votes would have counted for Obama, but what about the long-term viability of this project? People reading this page don't just include those who are currently paying attention to the American election. What about teenagers who are not yet politically aware? Or people five years from now who won't remember all the specifics? Assume for a moment that you're a new user reading about ACORN for the first time when you see this page. Does it tell you everything you need to know and not rely on unsourced common knowledge? --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 18:00, 6 November 2008 (EST)

Talk:Magic (card game)

2008-10-16T20:15:03Z

WPalmer:

{{Wikiproject Religion}}

Has Dave Hunt written any analysis of this? He is quite good at finding occult influences and mapping them out. - [[USer:NewCrusader|NewCrusader]]

==Wikiproject Religion?==
I honestly don't understand how this "game" falls into religion. Would anyone be kind enough to explain it to me? Thank you, [[User:JakeM|JakeM]] 13:26, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
:I agree, and I think the same argument could be made for the "satanism" category. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 13:50, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
::I don't think that we actually "need" that WikiProject template here. In fact we could probably "remove" it. [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 13:52, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
:::Since Deborah put it there, I would think it should be up to her or another member of the wikiproject to remove it. Or "remove" it, as the case may be. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 13:58, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

::::Speaking of people who make other people laugh... [[User:Aziraphale|Aziraphale]] 17:19, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

It might not be Satanism, but surely we have to keep in some reference of its occult ties. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 17:28, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
:Reference, yes (though I disagree that there are any real ties); category, no. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 17:34, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
:: You can disagree all you want; it doesn't make it any less true. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 17:56, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
:::Nor does asserting make it more true... [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 18:03, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
::::There are mountains of evidence on my side and nothing but denial on yours. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 18:29, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::Then write them; nobody's stopping you. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 18:31, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

Wow, wait. Mountains of evidence towards what, M:tG's occultism? And no evidence against? Nice, WPalmer, I haven't wanted to post in I don't know how long. What've you got, I will happily share the equivalent evidence against. I promise, I won't leave you hanging in a wasted effort. Lay it out, I'll work with you to suss out the evidence on both sides.

With anticipation,

[[User:Aziraphale|Aziraphale]] 18:35, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

== FWIW ==

I'm not messing with Ed Poor's edits, but the actual name of the game is "Magic: the Gathering." "[T]he Gathering" isn't a subtitle, addendum, or anything else, it's part of the title of the game. Yes, it is often called "Magic" for short, but that doesn't change what the name of the thing is. Perhaps someone with some clout would like to change this. Or not... [[User:Aziraphale|Aziraphale]] 17:22, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

==Removing edits on the talk page==
Do you have that kind of authority Palmer? --[[User:IanG|IanG]] 16:17, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
: I am within my rights. I am sure if you want to take it up with Bugler or Aschlafly they will agree with me. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 16:53, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
:: Well Bugler undoubtedly.--[[User:IanG|IanG]] 17:03, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
:: Also, please do not disrespectfully call me "Palmer", that's my last name. You could say "Mr. Palmer" or just "Will" if we're on friendly terms. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 16:14, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
:::Hello, WPalmer,
:::I'm sorry that you feel my comment was "pointless posturing." I assure you, there are two sides to the question of Magic's supposed evil influences. A discussion is very much in order before committing to that line in the article, and rather than engage in an edit war in the article itself I think that it can be constructively worked out in the talk page. :::Note that despite your inactivity for nearly a month, I made no move to edit the article without the discussion happening first; hopefully this will convince you of my good faith to hold a forthright conversation on the subject.
:::Again, I'm looking forward to you making the positive case regarding M:tG's occult ties. [[User:Aziraphale|Aziraphale]] 10:53, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Talk:Magic (card game)

2008-10-16T20:14:35Z

WPalmer:

{{Wikiproject Religion}}

Has Dave Hunt written any analysis of this? He is quite good at finding occult influences and mapping them out. - [[USer:NewCrusader|NewCrusader]]

==Wikiproject Religion?==
I honestly don't understand how this "game" falls into religion. Would anyone be kind enough to explain it to me? Thank you, [[User:JakeM|JakeM]] 13:26, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
:I agree, and I think the same argument could be made for the "satanism" category. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 13:50, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
::I don't think that we actually "need" that WikiProject template here. In fact we could probably "remove" it. [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 13:52, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
:::Since Deborah put it there, I would think it should be up to her or another member of the wikiproject to remove it. Or "remove" it, as the case may be. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 13:58, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

::::Speaking of people who make other people laugh... [[User:Aziraphale|Aziraphale]] 17:19, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

It might not be Satanism, but surely we have to keep in some reference of its occult ties. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 17:28, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
:Reference, yes (though I disagree that there are any real ties); category, no. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 17:34, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
:: You can disagree all you want; it doesn't make it any less true. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 17:56, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
:::Nor does asserting make it more true... [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 18:03, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
::::There are mountains of evidence on my side and nothing but denial on yours. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 18:29, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::Then write them; nobody's stopping you. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 18:31, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

Wow, wait. Mountains of evidence towards what, M:tG's occultism? And no evidence against? Nice, WPalmer, I haven't wanted to post in I don't know how long. What've you got, I will happily share the equivalent evidence against. I promise, I won't leave you hanging in a wasted effort. Lay it out, I'll work with you to suss out the evidence on both sides.

With anticipation,

[[User:Aziraphale|Aziraphale]] 18:35, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

== FWIW ==

I'm not messing with Ed Poor's edits, but the actual name of the game is "Magic: the Gathering." "[T]he Gathering" isn't a subtitle, addendum, or anything else, it's part of the title of the game. Yes, it is often called "Magic" for short, but that doesn't change what the name of the thing is. Perhaps someone with some clout would like to change this. Or not... [[User:Aziraphale|Aziraphale]] 17:22, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

==Removing edits on the talk page==
Do you have that kind of authority Palmer? --[[User:IanG|IanG]] 16:17, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
: I am within my rights. I am sure if you want to take it up with Bugler or Aschlafly they will agree with me. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 16:53, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
:: Well Bugler undoubtedly.--[[User:IanG|IanG]] 17:03, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
:: Also, please do not disrespectfully call me "Palmer", that's my last name. You could say "Mr. Palmer" or just "Will" if we're on friendly terms. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 16:14, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
:::Hello, WPalmer,
:::I'm sorry that you feel my comment was "pointless posturing." I assure you, there are two sides to the question of Magic's supposed evil influences. A discussion is very much in order before committing to that line in the article, and rather than engage in an edit war in the article itself I think that it can be constructively worked out in the talk page. :::Note that despite your inactivity for nearly a month, I made no move to edit the article without the discussion happening first; hopefully this will convince you of my good faith to hold a forthright conversation on the subject.
:::Again, I'm looking forward to you making the positive case regarding M:tG's occult ties. [[User:Aziraphale|Aziraphale]] 10:53, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Talk:Magic (card game)

2008-10-07T20:53:42Z

WPalmer: /* Removing edits on the talk page */

Talk:Magic (card game)

2008-10-07T20:14:08Z

WPalmer: removed pointless posturing

Talk:Liberal indoctrination

2008-09-09T22:47:23Z

WPalmer:

Seeing the link about Climate Cops on the front page made me look for something like this, so I created it when I saw there was no such page. Please feel free to add more! --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 19:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

What exactly does it mean to "ignore" the Pledge of Allegiance? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 18:34, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
:It means to downplay it or skip it entirely in class. You know what I meant. Don't play semantics here, please. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 18:47, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

Talk:Magic (card game)

2008-09-09T22:29:43Z

WPalmer: /* Wikiproject Religion? */ not gonna cut it

Talk:Magic (card game)

2008-09-09T21:56:12Z

WPalmer: sigh...heads in the sand...

Talk:Magic (card game)

2008-09-09T21:28:29Z

WPalmer:

Liberal indoctrination

2008-09-04T16:40:26Z

WPalmer: ignoring the Pledge of Allegiance

'''Liberal indoctrination''' is the process by which [[liberals]] influence children to their way of thinking before they are aware enough to make choices for themselves. It can be considered a form of [[brainwashing]], as children are unwittingly led into [[liberal]] ideologies while systematically being denied [[conservative]] values.

= Forms =
There are many ways that liberals introduce [[liberalism]] to children:

== School ==
Liberal thought is often promoted in public schools, either by teachers or [[liberal friendship|peer pressure]] from older students. Examples include the removal of school prayer and the teaching of [[evolution]]. Some [[public school]] teachers ignore the Pledge of Allegiance.

== Books and movies ==
Picture books like [http://www.amazon.com/Heather-Has-Two-Mommies-Anniversary/dp/1555835430 Heather Has Two Mommies] and [http://littledemocrats.net/index.html Why Mommy is a Democrat] explicitly promote the [[homosexual agenda]] and characterize [[Republicans]] as unequivocally bad.

== Games ==
Children are introduced to the liberal agenda through games, which they claim are "not political" and "just for fun". However, games like [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70811 "Climate Cops"] that promote police-state [[environmentalism]] are hardly "not political"! Older children can be seduced by games like [[Magic: the gathering]] and [[Dungeons and Dragons]], which, while not explicitly promoting liberal ideas, open the door for moral relativism and interest in the occult.

Professor values

2008-08-07T23:56:55Z

WPalmer: The influences are questionable and they are immoral. This is the correct wording.

'''Professor values''' refer to the common value system embraced by a large percentage of [[professor]]s, just as [[Hollywood values]] refers to the common value system of many in [[Hollywood]].

An extremely high percentage of professors disagree with [[conservative]] principles.<ref>"90 percent of United States professors called themselves liberal or moderate .[http://www.bepress.com/forum/vol3/iss1/art2/]</ref><ref> [http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=s1153nnhjkhr407r6ng6gjg8pvc8g2s8]</ref> Professors' common value system typically includes [[atheism]],<ref>For example, the vast majority of philosophy professors are [[atheists]], even after an alleged uptick in [[faith]] [http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=s1153nnhjkhr407r6ng6gjg8pvc8g2s8]</ref> [[censorship]], [[socialism]], unjustified claims of expertise and knowledge (for example, the dogmatic promotion of the [[Theory of Evolution|theory of evolution]]),<ref>For example, a $100,000 "environmental" prize was awarded for work on a [[politically correct]] "theory of convergent evolution." [http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2008/4/4/briefBiologyProfAwardedEnvironmentalAchievementPrize]</ref> [[liberаl]] beliefs,<ref>"90 percent of professors called themselves liberal or moderate." [http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=s1153nnhjkhr407r6ng6gjg8pvc8g2s8]</ref> [[liberal grading]], [[liberal bias]],<ref>http://www.insidehighered.com/views/2005/08/26/johnson</ref> anti-patriotism, lack of productivity, [[bullying]] or discouraging [[conservative]] students (for example, homeschoolers),<ref>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/21/AR2008032101451.html</ref><ref>http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/news/488/NCliberalbiasagnstcons060104.htm</ref> and promotion of sexual immorality.<ref>http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2001/oct_2001_4.html</ref><ref>http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/1998/october_1998_1.html</ref>
In a Zogby poll, 58% of [[Americans]] said that the bias of professors is a serious problem, while 39% said it is a "very serious" problem.<ref name="zogby">http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1334</ref> The survey demonstrated further that "an overwhelming majority also believe that job security for college professors leaves them less motivated to do a good job than those professors who do not enjoy a tenured status - 65% said they believe non-tenured professors are more motivated to do a good job in the classroom."<ref name="zogby" /> One study in 2008 found that "[[Texas]] university professors overwhelmingly favor
[[Democratic]] candidates in their campaign contributions."<ref>http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5753471.html</ref>

Professors sometimes engage in wrongdoing while completing research. "About 1,000 potential incidents of fabrication, falsification or plagiarism in scientific research go unreported every year, according to a survey that suggests such misconduct is far more prevalent than suspected. ... 22 percent was by a professor or senior scientist."<ref>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=aYFanemP24yM&refer=home</ref>

Faculty boards have been known to (on multiple occasions) block the granting of a tenured professorship to candidates for tenure who:

* criticize the [[theory of evolution]]<ref>"As reported last week, two members of the department that denied tenure to astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez at Iowa State University (ISU) have publicly admitted that Gonzalez's work on intelligent design played a role in his denial of tenure." [http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/iowa_state_avoids_key_question.html]</ref>
* criticize [[feminism]] and/or [[abortion]]
* oppose the [[homosexual agenda]]

Professors wore white armbands to protest an award of an honorary degree to a [[conservative]].<ref>http://publicbroadcasting.net/kwmu/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1279565&sectionID=1</ref> More than 100 professors signed a letter to protest a proposal to honor a [[conservative]]-leaning [[Nobel Prize]]-winning colleague.<ref>http://bourdaghs.com/blog.html?p=484</ref>

Politicians, especially [[liberal]] ones, are routinely given high-ranking academic positions. Examples include:

* [[Al Gore]]<ref>Beginning early in 2001, "Gore will be [at UCLA] to develop a new curriculum for family-centered community building, a multidisciplinary approach that brings together authorities from such fields as education, business and public policy to work on problems that ail our society and affect our children. ... He also will be teaching at three other universities - Columbia University's Graduate School of Journalism, Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro and Fisk University in Nashville - in addition to his teaching and research work at UCLA." [http://spotlight.ucla.edu/special-guests/al-gore_teach/]</ref>
*[[Michael Dukakis]]
*[[Gary Hart]]
*[[Bob Kerrey]]
* [[Tony Blair]]
*[[Tom Kean]]

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== Crimes by Professors ==

* Arkansas Tech University chemistry professor Albert Snow, 33 years old, was sentenced to 10 years in jail "on a charge he stalked a person he believed was a teenage girl on the Internet." "Snow was arrested in January 2007 after showing up at a Russellville apartment complex where police say he expected to meet a 15-year-old girl."<ref>http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp?S=8803789</ref>

* At Northern Kentucky University, language and literature professor Sally Jacobsen incited some of her students to vandalize a pro-life display by Northern Right to Life, the campus pro-life group. Jacobsen herself also participated in the vandalism, which involved destroying rows of white crosses symbolizing the graves of aborted children. Jacobsen justified the vandalism as free speech, stating, "I did, outside of class during the break, invite students to express their freedom-of-speech rights to destroy the display if they wished to." Jacobsen was unrepentant until given the choice of facing criminal charges of theft, criminal mischief and criminal solicitation or apologizing. Jacobsen chose the latter and also paid Northern Right to Life for damage to the display. Jacobsen was suspended by the university and subsequently retired.<ref>http://www.lifenews.com/state3207.html</ref>

* "A [[South Korea]]n court Monday sentenced a former university art professor to 18 months in jail for forging her [[US]] degree certificates, officials said. The Seoul District Criminal Court found Shin Jeong-Ah guilty of forging undergraduate and master's degrees from the [[University of Kansas]] and [[Yale University]] to secure a job at Seoul's Dongguk university."<ref>http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jCfPQ1_mqM2VaXzQUSy-mXwQIvXQ</ref>

* [[Villanova University]] professor Edward R. Ritter was arrested on March 21, 2008, and charged with selling marijuana to undercover police officers, and a subsequent search of his home uncovered 19 bags of marijuana.<ref>http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/pa/20080322_Villanova_professor_arrested_on_drug_charges.html</ref>

* Kansas State University English professor Thomas Murray was a popular teacher, but he was convicted of murdering his ex-wife with 17 stab wounds and blunt trauma to her head. She "was found dead in her bedroom atop a dresser."<ref name="ctv">http://www.courttv.com/trials/murray/backgrounder_ctv.html</ref> Professor Murray had written several books, including "The Language of Sadomasochism."<ref name="ctv" /> He did not testify in his defense and spoke only at sentencing, where he called the state's case a "fairy tale."<ref>http://www.kansaspublicradio.org/newsstory.php?itemID=5892</ref>

* Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine Anatomy associate professor Peter Alan Rogers, 59, was arrested on Apr. 21, 2008 on a charge of possession of child pornography on a school laptop computer.<ref>http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/04/24/professor_0425.html</ref>

* Shortly after the end of the school year and his contract, Marshall University Psychiatry associate professor John M. Adams burglarized and murdered Bobby Burns on July 2, 2003, and then kidnapped two women and forced them to drive him across the Ohio River.<ref>http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/07/29/loc_ohprofessor29.html</ref>

* University of South Florida professor Sami al-Arian pled guilty to "aiding a terrorist group" and was "sentenced to 57 months in prison."<ref name="nysun">http://www.nysun.com/article/72228</ref><ref>http://www.mysuncoast.com/Global/story.asp?S=7961089&nav=menu577_2_1</ref> He then "spent more than a year in civil contempt after refusing to appear before two grand juries investigating Islamic charities in Northern Virginia."<ref name="nysun">

* Claremont McKenna College visiting professor Kerri Dunn was sentenced to a year in state prison after she was found guilty of staging a phony [[hate crime]], in which she "spray-painted her car with racist and anti-Semitic slurs and then reported a hate crime on campus."<ref>http://www.knbc.com/education/3998600/detail.html</ref>

* University of Hawaii professor Marc Fossorier was arrested and later convicted and sentenced to one year in jail for attempting a sex crime with a girl apparently only 15 years old.<ref>http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/4582/40/</ref>

* A [[New Jersey]] Cumberland County College professor "was arrested on charges of harassment, trespassing and stalking."<ref>http://www.thedailyjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080305/NEWS01/80305019/1002</ref>

* University of Central Florida political science professor Michael Shawn Reichert was arrested for having "a stash of more than 100 child pornography pictures on his work computer," "plus three pornographic movies."<ref>http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2007/07/ucf-professor-a.html</ref>

* [[University of Wisconsin]] adjunct professor Victor M. Zamudio-Taylor resigned after being charged with viewing child-pornography in a campus computer laboratory.<ref>http://badgerherald.com/news/2002/03/19/uwmilwaukee_professo.php</ref>

* A [[British]] university professor was jailed for ten months for plotting to defraud a hospital trust. <ref>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20010626/ai_n14398964</ref>

* [[French]] [[Marxist]] [[structuralist]] [[philosopher]] Professor [[Louis Althusser]] (1918-1990) killed his wife in 1980 and was afterwards confined to a psychiatric hospital.

* Professor Daniel Storm, of the University of Washington, flushed 4 litres of the flammable solvent ethyl ether down the sink, rather than pay the safe disposal fees. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jim Oesterle said that his using an axe to open the containers was particularly dangerous because a spark could easily have ignited the ether. <ref>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003607035_uwprof08m0.html</ref>

* An Associate Professor at Youngstown State University was locked up and fined $50 after baring his buttocks in front of children at a county fair. <ref>http://www.thejambar.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendly&uStory_id=38283b71-1223-4e85-929f-ba0f932d5366</ref>

* Philosophy Professor [[Abimael Guzman]] of the National University of San Cristobal de Huamanga in [[Peru]] founded the bloodthirsty [[Shining Path]] organisation, one of the most violent terrorist groups of recent decades.

== Immoral, Unethical or Bizarre Behavior ==

*Emory University History Professor of History [[Michael Bellesiles]], a [[gun control]] advocate, wrote a book entitled ''Arming America, The Origins of a National Gun Culture'' (2000). Gary Wills gave it a glowing review in ''The New York Times'', but admitted later that "I was took. The book is a fraud."<ref>Jonah Goldberg, [http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/guests/s_501644.html ''Reports of the 2nd Amendment's death have been greatly exaggerated ...''] Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Apr. 8, 2007.</ref> Bellesiles resigned from his position as Professor of History when an independent committee of scholars examined his work and concluded that "his scholarly integrity is seriously in question."<ref>http://hnn.us/articles/1069.html</ref>

*According to one columnist, 88 Duke professors -- more than 10 percent of the Duke professorial faculty - endorsed and published an advertisement hurtful to students who had been wrongly accused of rape during a lacrosse team party, which "helped create the lynch-mob atmosphere."<ref>http://www.nypost.com/seven/03232007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/duke__who_wont_pay_opedcolumnists_john_podhoretz.htm</ref>

* When student Rebecca Beach circulated an email at Warren Community College in New Jersey disclosing that decorated Iraq war hero Lt. Col. Scott Rutter would be visiting, English professor John Daly replied: "Real freedom will come when soldiers in Iraq turn their guns on their superiors."<ref>http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47461</ref>

*Ward Churchill was fired from the University of Colorado for fabricating his research and for plagiarizing the work of others.

*Richard Lenski of Michigan State University was rude and demeaning when replying to a member of the public who asked about his research.

* When challenged to provide data, professors who support evolution evade the question [http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia_talk:Lenski_dialog#Lead_author_won.27t_answer_simple.2C__basic_questions]

*Madonna Constantine, a Columbia University professor claimed she was the victim of racism in the fall of 2007 when a noose was found on her office door. Now she has been fired for plagiarizing the work of other professors and even her own students! [http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/25/plagiarism.professor/]

*Vulgar and viciously bigoted anti-religion (mainly Christianity) University of Minnesota Morris professor and blogger [[Paul Zachary Myers|PZ Myers]] recently raised the hackles of Catholics by stating his desire to desecrate a Holy Communion wafer (viewed by Catholics as the Body of Christ).<ref>http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1459</ref> The resultant outcry from Catholics resulted in the university removing all links to Myers' blog from their website.<ref>http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1460</ref>

*Richard Garfield, a PhD, is responsible for creating a collectible card game ([[Magic (card game)|Magic: the Gathering]]) with questionable immoral influences.

== References ==

<references/>

== Sources ==

* [http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d07/tables/dt07_178.asp?referrer=list National Center for Educational Statistics, "Table 178, Historical Summary of faculty, students, degrees, and finances in degree-granting institutions: Selected years, 1869-70 through 2005-06"]

[[Category:Academics]]
[[Category:Liberals]]

Talk:Liberal indoctrination

2008-07-30T23:11:21Z

WPalmer: New page: Seeing the link about Climate Cops on the front page made me look for something like this, so I created it when I saw there was no such page. Please feel free to add more! --~~~~

Liberal indoctrination

2008-07-30T23:10:18Z

WPalmer: added outside links

'''Liberal indoctrination''' is the process by which [[liberals]] influence children to their way of thinking before they are aware enough to make choices for themselves. It can be considered a form of [[brainwashing]], as children are unwittingly led into [[liberal]] ideologies while systematically being denied [[conservative]] values.

= Forms =
There are many ways that liberals introduce [[liberalism]] to children:

== School ==
Liberal thought is often promoted in public schools, either by teachers or [[liberal friendship|peer pressure]] from older students. Examples include the removal of school prayer and the teaching of [[evolution]].

== Books and movies ==
Picture books like [http://www.amazon.com/Heather-Has-Two-Mommies-Anniversary/dp/1555835430 Heather Has Two Mommies] and [http://littledemocrats.net/index.html Why Mommy is a Democrat] explicitly promote the [[homosexual agenda]] and characterize [[Republicans]] as unequivocally bad.

== Games ==
Children are introduced to the liberal agenda through games, which they claim are "not political" and "just for fun". However, games like [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=70811 "Climate Cops"] that promote police-state [[environmentalism]] are hardly "not political"! Older children can be seduced by games like [[Magic: the gathering]] and [[Dungeons and Dragons]], which, while not explicitly promoting liberal ideas, open the door for moral relativism and interest in the occult.

Liberal indoctrination

2008-07-30T23:09:13Z

WPalmer: liberal indoctrination

'''Liberal indoctrination''' is the process by which [[liberals]] influence children to their way of thinking before they are aware enough to make choices for themselves. It can be considered a form of [[brainwashing]], as children are unwittingly led into [[liberal]] ideologies while systematically being denied [[conservative]] values.

= Forms =
There are many ways that liberals introduce [[liberalism]] to children:

== School ==
Liberal thought is often promoted in public schools, either by teachers or [[liberal friendship|peer pressure]] from older students. Examples include the removal of school prayer and the teaching of [[evolution]].

== Books and movies ==
Picture books like [[Heather Has Two Mommies]] and [[Why Mommy is a Democrat]] explicitly promote the [[homosexual agenda]] and characterize [[Republicans]] as unequivocally bad.

== Games ==
Children are introduced to the liberal agenda through games, which they claim are "not political" and "just for fun". However, games like [["Climate Cops"]] that promote police-state [[environmentalism]] are hardly "not political"! Older children can be seduced by games like [[Magic: the gathering]] and [[Dungeons and Dragons]], which, while not explicitly promoting liberal ideas, open the door for moral relativism and interest in the occult.

Liberal Obsession

2008-07-18T16:23:41Z

WPalmer: liberals obsess over conservapedia and want to see it fail

A '''Liberal Obsession''' is an idea or an ideal which [[liberal]]s obsess over. This can be anything political, environmental or personal and is groundless, irrational and often flies in the face of evidence to the contrary. This obsession can lead, if enough pressure is applied, to [[liberal creep]] as [[liberals]] push their obsession.

==Examples==

*Obsession over celebrities or [[Hollywood values|Hollywood]]
*Obsession on censorship of [[school prayer]]
*Obsessing over [[Affirmative Action]]
*Obsessing over [[Global Warming]]
*Obsession on smearing [[conservatives]]
*Obsession over [[gun control]]
*Obsession over [[Mindless Equality]]
*Obsession over [[political correctness]]
*Obsession over rights for terrorists
*Obsession over the [[homosexual agenda]]
*Obsession over the plight of Palestinians
*Obsession over [[George W. Bush]]
*Obsession over [[Conservapedia]]

(Please add more)

==See Also==

*[[Liberals]]

[[Category:Liberals]]

Talk:World of Warcraft

2008-07-17T21:11:30Z

WPalmer:

I think we are too dignified to have such lengthy articles about video games. I propose that we do not have any articles on video games at all. What say you? ---[[User:Be not dismayed|Be not dismayed]] XXI June 2007

:It's a pretty significant cultural phenomenon. I am about to apply my personal test. I am about to see whether it's been mentioned in ''The New York Times.'' If so, I think it's important. And if it's "fit to print," it's probably fit for an encyclopedia. Here goes. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 18:46, 21 June 2007 (EDT)

:A search on the exact phrase "World of Warcraft" ''plus'' "Blizzard" in ''The New York Times'' since 2000 turns up 26 hits. On a quick eyeballing, virtually all appear to be relevant and many of which are clear ''news'' articles ''about'' the game. Here are a few:

:*December 9, 2004: "Thousands of Opponents Await In a New Virtual Fantasy World"
:*February 10, 2005: "The Game Is a Hit, But the Work Isn't Done"
:*August 6, 2005: "Social Significance in Playing Online? You Betcha!" "Yet outside my romantic and family life, nothing this year has given me more satisfaction than helping my guild in World of Warcraft defeat Ragnaros for the first time early Tuesday morning. World of Warcraft has been the video game world's breakout phenomenon since its introduction last November, signing up more than 3.5 million paying subscribers worldwide...."
:*December 9, 2005:" Ogre to Slay? Outsource It To Chinese," about the "gold farming" phenomenon
:*May 11, 2006: "A Major Online Game Galaxy Gets a New Race of Characters"
:*September 5, 2006: "An Online Game, Made in America, Seizes the Globe"
:*January 17, 2007 "World of Warcraft Expands"

:Speaking as someone who has never played World of Warcraft or any other MMORPG, nor Dungeons & Dragons before it, the evidence would seem to suggest that "World of Warcraft" is a significant cultural phenomenon. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 18:56, 21 June 2007 (EDT)

:P. S. The Britannica does not have an article about World of Warcraft in the encyclopedia proper, but it does have an article in the 2007 Book of the Year on [http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9435326/The-Virtual-World-of-Online-Gaming The Virtual World of Online Gaming], and it opens "Virtual worlds generated billions of real dollars in 2006 as millions of players around the world fought, bought, crafted, and sold in a variety of online environments. The most populous, Blizzard Entertainment's World of Warcraft, drew seven million subscribers (with more than five million in China alone)." [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 18:59, 21 June 2007 (EDT)

::As a mom, I think it is useful to have such articles, so that parents may get a Conservapedia view on things in which their kids may express interest. In addition, video games are a real business, creating real jobs - you can even major in game development in college. The article can be positive or negative, as the facts dictate - either way, it is useful information. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 23:21, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

If you want junior high and highschool kids to use Conservapedia, you better make it fun for them for where they are at in their lives. This is HUGE at their ages. What I don't understand is, why does the editing keep changing so much with adding information then deleting it? Is it being copied from wiki or something? No explanation is given. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 18:52, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

: It looks like the last major revert before it was locked was probably because the article read like an advertisement. The problem with this article is that it has no direction. For example, I don't think we need to explain the factions, races, classes, etc. If people want to read about that they can just got to Blizzard's website or a fan site. I think if we're trying to be encyclopedic here, we need to just stick to what it is, and it's cultural impact. I've played the game since it was released, and I'd be glad to work on it if it were unlocked. --[[User:Colest|Colest]] 23:30, 2 July 2007 (EDT)
::Article overboard! '''Way''' overboard. This game is worth mentioning, just for its cultural importance, but... this is more of a condensed stratagy guide. Needs a good trim-down. - BornAgainBrit
:::It may be a bit overboard, but it has a huge following, especially among age groups that Andy is most gearing the use of Conservapedia for. It makes sense to give them the type of information that they want that will get them interested if it gets them to spend time looking at Conservapedia and using it as a resource. In other words in this one we may want to go beyond a dry encyclopedia article. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 10:54, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
:::: Right now it looks like we've removed most of the random terminology that one could easily gain off of the official website. It gives a concise description of what the basic premise of the game is, notes it's popularity, and brings up some criticisms of the game. What type of information beyond this do you think would be relevant? I'm happy to make whatever changes might be needed, but like I said before, we just need a good direction as to what type of information we're trying to relate here. --[[User:Colest|Colest]] 11:02, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
::::: I agree we need a general understanding, but looking at the edit history, the recent direction is not one that has been agreed upon and was not the reason the article was unlocked. It appears this game is being cut some slack in giving more information than is usually desired, but then it is in a unique position of having an immense following of dedicated players and curious onlookers and may be a way to attract more attention to Conservapedia from groups that otherwise wouldn't be drawn to using our website. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 11:29, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

== Article locked ==

I'd also be glad to share my WoW knoledge with the kind folk of Conservapedia... if this weren't locked. --[[User:Funnny|Funnny]] 21:48, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
:It was locked by [[user:Elamdri|Elamdri]], so you could ask him about unlocking it if you like. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:10, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
::I've unlocked it for now. If it stays relatively good, I see no reason to leave it locked.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 17:25, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

== Recent Changes ==

I think it may be wise to engage in concensus discussion before making major changes. While I'm sure all changes are being made in good faith, it's going against the reasons the Sysop stated he unprotected the article. Thanks. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 11:10, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

: Well, first off, he hasn't stated any reasons that I can see why he unprotected it, only because it was requested. "If it stays relatively good, I see no reason it should be protected" doesn't really offer any insight as to 1) what was wrong in the first place and 2) what he'd like to see out of the article. Furthermore, I would argue that while this is a popular video game, CP is not a website that is going to attract your curious video game enthusiast. They are more than likely going to seek out official video game websites, or perhaps a wiki specifically focused on the game (ie www.wowwiki.com). I believe providing a more concise explination of the game and cultural issues surrounding it is more appropriate for this encyclopedia. --[[User:Colest|Colest]] 11:48, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

:: Yes, but Elamdri himself put in many of the additions that were removed, and it is unlikely that's what he wanted. ;-) I'm not saying either that we're going to suddenly get 8.5 million game players, but the first rule of selling is to get them in, and the second is to sell your product -- give them something they want. We did a fine job on the Longbow article, but chances are more people passing through here are going to be curious to see what is said about World of WarCraft than that ancient weapon. (Although actually, in this case, there may be some overlap.) Personally, I've never played the game, but having played other role playing games in the past, I was curious when I read about it. If I'm a new person, that makes me more inclined to think favorably about Conservapedia and use it more, or at least think about it. Peace to you my friend. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 12:13, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

:::I protected the World of Warcraft article because we had a rash of vandal attacks against it a while back. Rather than revert it every time, unofficial CP policy is to revert the vandalism and protect until the vandal gets bored/blocked. Then if we find the article to be a high profile target, we keep the article locked, unless a reasonable request comes along, which Funnny provided. As for the terminology and game content that was cut and re-added, I'm not particularly attached to it so much as to get upset about someone removing it, although asking would be nice ;). Personally, I feel wiki's that aren't confined to one one area, like wowwiki, are going to end up growing out of their britches so to speak. Our articles might start out small and concise, but I see no problems with them developing to be all inclusive.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 18:58, 13 July 2007 (EDT)

== Deleted Incorrect Info ==

I've deleted the claim about 'levelling to 70 taking weeks', as, to put it simply, it's wrong. The evidence presented backing it up is a single reference in passing on a website discussing World of Warcraft in general, claiming that getting to 70 would take 960 hours of playing. On my own character, I have 21 days measured by the game's own playing meter, which would be only 504 hours, yet I am level 70, so this is obviously incorrect. Not only that, there is a well-known guide, Joana's Levelling Guide, which gives a video of a character getting from level 1 to level 60 in 4 days 20 hours of playing (116 hours), and this was before a recent patch which actually reduced the amount of experience you need to get from level 1 to 60. [[User:Zmidponk|Zmidponk]] 17:56, 27 December 2007 (EST)

== Hearsay ==

In reference to the controversy section of your article: All information present is hearsay. You even say that in the article. You claim to be "the trustworthy encyclopedia" and yet you include open hearsay in you articles. This does not make sense. Expect change. {{unsigned|IslamWarrior}}

== Trim-down ==

While above editors suggest keeping the information because it is relevant to Conservapedias target age group, it should be understood that all of this information would most likely already be known by the reader (due to experience in the game, reading the official website, or being told by their friends). Instead of having a section with several sentences for each race, class, and profession, I think it would be beneficial to congeal these sections into a few paragraphs each. I could draft an alternate version if instructed how, or just edit this article directly. Regardless of these specific issues, the article itself needs work. Is it acceptable if I rework these sections into more coherent prose? --[[User:JamzJohnson|JamzJohnson]] 23:15, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

Disagree, someone reading this article may not know anything about the game, and as such it would be helpful to keep information about race, class, and profession, if anything it is prefered that the article be expanded not shortened -- [[Image:50 star flag.png|12px]] [[User:Deborah|Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah|(contributions)]] [[User_talk:Deborah|(talk)]] 20:10, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
:Respectfully, I believe you may have misinterpreted my proposal (though it may be my fault for phrasing my suggestion poorly). I do not wish to erase relevant information - I merely wish to "clean it up" in a fashion that would make it both more informative and shorter. There is plenty of superfluous information, and even the relevant information flows through the article in a hard-to-follow pattern. I merely wish to make it more understandable, not less informative. [[User:JamzJohnson|JamzJohnson]] 21:02, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

::If you feel you can make positive improvements then do so, but please keep in mind the discussion that occurred above. Personally in skimming it right now I didn't see anything jump out at me that told me the article had difficulty, but it remains to be seen how your version would look. Of course, if your changes are not kept don't take it personally. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 01:52, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

== Too many minutiae?==
I don't deny their usefulness in describing the game, but should maybe the "classes" and "professions" be cut down somewhat? In this article the definitions of alchemy, blacksmithing, etc, are pretty close to their everyday English definitions, and don't need to take up 50% of the article space. This article should say something like "so-and-so professions exist" rather than "this is how to play as so-and-so professions". Could we maybe edit it down to a bulleted list? (In the meantime, I will try to find some more sources to beef up the "criticisms" section.) --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 17:11, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Professor values

2008-07-17T20:29:19Z

WPalmer: added Richard Garfield

'''Professor values''' refer to the common value system embraced by a large percentage of [[professor]]s, just as [[Hollywood values]] refers to the common value system of many in [[Hollywood]].

An extremely high percentage of professors disagree with [[conservative]] principles.<ref>"90 percent of United States professors called themselves liberal or moderate .[http://www.bepress.com/forum/vol3/iss1/art2/]</ref><ref> [http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=s1153nnhjkhr407r6ng6gjg8pvc8g2s8]</ref> Professors' common value system typically includes [[atheism]],<ref>For example, the vast majority of philosophy professors are [[atheists]], even after an alleged uptick in [[faith]] [http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=s1153nnhjkhr407r6ng6gjg8pvc8g2s8]</ref> [[censorship]], [[socialism]], unjustified claims of expertise and knowledge (for example, the dogmatic promotion of the [[Theory of Evolution|theory of evolution]]),<ref>For example, a $100,000 "environmental" prize was awarded for work on a [[politically correct]] "theory of convergent evolution." [http://daily.stanford.edu/article/2008/4/4/briefBiologyProfAwardedEnvironmentalAchievementPrize]</ref> [[liberаl]] beliefs,<ref>"90 percent of professors called themselves liberal or moderate." [http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?id=s1153nnhjkhr407r6ng6gjg8pvc8g2s8]</ref> [[liberal grading]], [[liberal bias]],<ref>http://www.insidehighered.com/views/2005/08/26/johnson</ref> anti-patriotism, lack of productivity, [[bullying]] or discouraging [[conservative]] students (for example, homeschoolers),<ref>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/21/AR2008032101451.html</ref><ref>http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/news/488/NCliberalbiasagnstcons060104.htm</ref> and promotion of sexual immorality.<ref>http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2001/oct_2001_4.html</ref><ref>http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/1998/october_1998_1.html</ref>
In a Zogby poll, 58% of [[Americans]] said that the bias of professors is a serious problem, while 39% said it is a "very serious" problem.<ref name="zogby">http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1334</ref> The survey demonstrated further that "an overwhelming majority also believe that job security for college professors leaves them less motivated to do a good job than those professors who do not enjoy a tenured status - 65% said they believe non-tenured professors are more motivated to do a good job in the classroom."<ref name="zogby" /> One study in 2008 found that "[[Texas]] university professors overwhelmingly favor
[[Democratic]] candidates in their campaign contributions."<ref>http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5753471.html</ref>

Professors sometimes engage in wrongdoing while completing research. "About 1,000 potential incidents of fabrication, falsification or plagiarism in scientific research go unreported every year, according to a survey that suggests such misconduct is far more prevalent than suspected. ... 22 percent was by a professor or senior scientist."<ref>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=aYFanemP24yM&refer=home</ref>

Faculty boards have been known to (on multiple occasions) block the granting of a tenured professorship to candidates for tenure who:

* criticize the [[theory of evolution]]<ref>"As reported last week, two members of the department that denied tenure to astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez at Iowa State University (ISU) have publicly admitted that Gonzalez's work on intelligent design played a role in his denial of tenure." [http://www.evolutionnews.org/2007/05/iowa_state_avoids_key_question.html]</ref>
* criticize [[feminism]] and/or [[abortion]]
* oppose the [[homosexual agenda]]

Professors wore white armbands to protest an award of an honorary degree to a [[conservative]].<ref>http://publicbroadcasting.net/kwmu/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1279565&sectionID=1</ref> More than 100 professors signed a letter to protest a proposal to honor a [[conservative]]-leaning [[Nobel Prize]]-winning colleague.<ref>http://bourdaghs.com/blog.html?p=484</ref>

Politicians, especially [[liberal]] ones, are routinely given high-ranking academic positions. Examples include:

* [[Al Gore]]<ref>Beginning early in 2001, "Gore will be [at UCLA] to develop a new curriculum for family-centered community building, a multidisciplinary approach that brings together authorities from such fields as education, business and public policy to work on problems that ail our society and affect our children. ... He also will be teaching at three other universities - Columbia University's Graduate School of Journalism, Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro and Fisk University in Nashville - in addition to his teaching and research work at UCLA." [http://spotlight.ucla.edu/special-guests/al-gore_teach/]</ref>
*[[Michael Dukakis]]
*[[Gary Hart]]
*[[Bob Kerrey]]
* [[Tony Blair]]
*[[Tom Kean]]

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== Crimes by Professors ==
* At Northern Kentucky University, language and literature professor Sally Jacobsen incited some of her students to vandalize a pro-life display by Northern Right to Life, the campus pro-life group. Jacobsen herself also participated in the vandalism, which involved destroying rows of white crosses symbolizing the graves of aborted children. Jacobsen justified the vandalism as free speech, stating, "I did, outside of class during the break, invite students to express their freedom-of-speech rights to destroy the display if they wished to." Jacobsen was unrepentant until given the choice of facing criminal charges of theft, criminal mischief and criminal solicitation or apologizing. Jacobsen chose the latter and also paid Northern Right to Life for damage to the display. Jacobsen was suspended by the university and subsequently retired.<ref>http://www.lifenews.com/state3207.html</ref>

* "A [[South Korea]]n court Monday sentenced a former university art professor to 18 months in jail for forging her [[US]] degree certificates, officials said. The Seoul District Criminal Court found Shin Jeong-Ah guilty of forging undergraduate and master's degrees from the [[University of Kansas]] and [[Yale University]] to secure a job at Seoul's Dongguk university."<ref>http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jCfPQ1_mqM2VaXzQUSy-mXwQIvXQ</ref>

* [[Villanova University]] professor Edward R. Ritter was arrested on March 21, 2008, and charged with selling marijuana to undercover police officers, and a subsequent search of his home uncovered 19 bags of marijuana.<ref>http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/pa/20080322_Villanova_professor_arrested_on_drug_charges.html</ref>

* Kansas State University English professor Thomas Murray was a popular teacher, but he was convicted of murdering his ex-wife with 17 stab wounds and blunt trauma to her head. She "was found dead in her bedroom atop a dresser."<ref name="ctv">http://www.courttv.com/trials/murray/backgrounder_ctv.html</ref> Professor Murray had written several books, including "The Language of Sadomasochism."<ref name="ctv" /> He did not testify in his defense and spoke only at sentencing, where he called the state's case a "fairy tale."<ref>http://www.kansaspublicradio.org/newsstory.php?itemID=5892</ref>

* Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine Anatomy associate professor Peter Alan Rogers, 59, was arrested on Apr. 21, 2008 on a charge of possession of child pornography on a school laptop computer.<ref>http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/04/24/professor_0425.html</ref>

* Shortly after the end of the school year and his contract, Marshall University Psychiatry associate professor John M. Adams burglarized and murdered Bobby Burns on July 2, 2003, and then kidnapped two women and forced them to drive him across the Ohio River.<ref>http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/07/29/loc_ohprofessor29.html</ref>

* University of South Florida professor Sami al-Arian pled guilty to "aiding a terrorist group" and was "sentenced to 57 months in prison."<ref name="nysun">http://www.nysun.com/article/72228</ref><ref>http://www.mysuncoast.com/Global/story.asp?S=7961089&nav=menu577_2_1</ref> He then "spent more than a year in civil contempt after refusing to appear before two grand juries investigating Islamic charities in Northern Virginia."<ref name="nysun">

* Claremont McKenna College visiting professor Kerri Dunn was sentenced to a year in state prison after she was found guilty of staging a phony [[hate crime]], in which she "spray-painted her car with racist and anti-Semitic slurs and then reported a hate crime on campus."<ref>http://www.knbc.com/education/3998600/detail.html</ref>

* University of Hawaii professor Marc Fossorier was arrested and later convicted and sentenced to one year in jail for attempting a sex crime with a girl apparently only 15 years old.<ref>http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/4582/40/</ref>

* A [[New Jersey]] Cumberland County College professor "was arrested on charges of harassment, trespassing and stalking."<ref>http://www.thedailyjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080305/NEWS01/80305019/1002</ref>

* University of Central Florida political science professor Michael Shawn Reichert was arrested for having "a stash of more than 100 child pornography pictures on his work computer," "plus three pornographic movies."<ref>http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2007/07/ucf-professor-a.html</ref>

* [[University of Wisconsin]] adjunct professor Victor M. Zamudio-Taylor resigned after being charged with viewing child-pornography in a campus computer laboratory.<ref>http://badgerherald.com/news/2002/03/19/uwmilwaukee_professo.php</ref>

* A [[British]] university professor was jailed for ten months for plotting to defraud a hospital trust. <ref>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20010626/ai_n14398964</ref>

* [[French]] [[Marxist]] [[structuralist]] [[philosopher]] Professor [[Louis Althusser]] (1918-1990) killed his wife in 1980 and was afterwards confined to a psychiatric hospital.

* Professor Daniel Storm, of the University of Washington, flushed 4 litres of the flammable solvent ethyl ether down the sink, rather than pay the safe disposal fees. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jim Oesterle said that his using an axe to open the containers was particularly dangerous because a spark could easily have ignited the ether. <ref>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003607035_uwprof08m0.html</ref>

* An Associate Professor at Youngstown State University was locked up and fined $50 after baring his buttocks in front of children at a county fair. <ref>http://www.thejambar.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendly&uStory_id=38283b71-1223-4e85-929f-ba0f932d5366</ref>

* Philosophy Professor [[Abimael Guzman]] of the National University of San Cristobal de Huamanga in [[Peru]] founded the bloodthirsty [[Shining Path]] organisation, one of the most violent terrorist groups of recent decades.

== Immoral, Unethical or Bizarre Behavior ==

*Emory University History Professor of History [[Michael Bellesiles]], a [[gun control]] advocate, wrote a book entitled ''Arming America, The Origins of a National Gun Culture'' (2000). Gary Wills gave it a glowing review in ''The New York Times'', but admitted later that "I was took. The book is a fraud."<ref>Jonah Goldberg, [http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/guests/s_501644.html ''Reports of the 2nd Amendment's death have been greatly exaggerated ...''] Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Apr. 8, 2007.</ref> Bellesiles resigned from his position as Professor of History when an independent committee of scholars examined his work and concluded that "his scholarly integrity is seriously in question."<ref>http://hnn.us/articles/1069.html</ref>

*According to one columnist, 88 Duke professors -- more than 10 percent of the Duke professorial faculty - endorsed and published an advertisement hurtful to students who had been wrongly accused of rape during a lacrosse team party, which "helped create the lynch-mob atmosphere."<ref>http://www.nypost.com/seven/03232007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/duke__who_wont_pay_opedcolumnists_john_podhoretz.htm</ref>

* When student Rebecca Beach circulated an email at Warren Community College in New Jersey disclosing that decorated Iraq war hero Lt. Col. Scott Rutter would be visiting, English professor John Daly replied: "Real freedom will come when soldiers in Iraq turn their guns on their superiors."<ref>http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47461</ref>

*Ward Churchill was fired from the University of Colorado for fabricating his research and for plagiarizing the work of others.

*Richard Lenski of Michigan State University was rude and demeaning when replying to a member of the public who asked about his research.

* When challenged to provide data, professors who support evolution evade the question [http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia_talk:Lenski_dialog#Lead_author_won.27t_answer_simple.2C__basic_questions]

*Madonna Constantine, a Columbia University professor claimed she was the victim of racism in the fall of 2007 when a noose was found on her office door. Now she has been fired for plagiarizing the work of other professors and even her own students! [http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/25/plagiarism.professor/]

*Vulgar and viciously bigoted anti-religion (mainly Christianity) University of Minnesota Morris professor and blogger [[Paul Zachary Myers|PZ Myers]] recently raised the hackles of Catholics by stating his desire to desecrate a Holy Communion wafer (viewed by Catholics as the Body of Christ).<ref>http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1459</ref> The resultant outcry from Catholics resulted in the university removing all links to Myers' blog from their website.<ref>http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1460</ref>

*Richard Garfield, a PhD, is responsible for creating a collectible card game ([[Magic (card game)|Magic: the Gathering]]) with questionable immoral influences.

== References ==

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== Sources ==

* [http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d07/tables/dt07_178.asp?referrer=list National Center for Educational Statistics, "Table 178, Historical Summary of faculty, students, degrees, and finances in degree-granting institutions: Selected years, 1869-70 through 2005-06"]

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[[Category:Liberals]]

Magic (card game)

2008-07-15T17:45:48Z

WPalmer: added the info from a page I created when I didn't know this existed (Magic: The Gathering)

'''Magic: The Gathering''' is a [[strategy card game]] which lets players take the role of a dueling [[wizard (fictional)|wizard]]s who can summon creatures to fight for them. You defeat your opponent by reducing his [[life point]]s down to zero.

The game consists of numerous elements from various fantasy worlds, including magic, [[elf|elves]], [[dwarf (mythology)|dwarves]], [[dragon]]s, mana, [[orc]]s, and so forth. One of the reasons for keeping the game limited to the size of a small deck of cards was so that it could be easily taken along to, and played at, gaming conventions.<ref>''The Coming CCG Storm: 1993-1995'' "A Brief History of Game" (2006) [http://www.rpg.net/columns/briefhistory/briefhistory1.phtml RPGnet] Accessed 31 December 2007.</ref>

Its creator is Richard Garfield and the game is owned by [[Wizards of the Coast]], the same firm that publishes [[Dungeons and Dragons]]. The full name of the game uses a subtitle, i.e., Magic: The Gathering.

== Colors ==
Magic cards come in five colors, representing the different aspects of magic: red (destruction), blue ([[deceit]]), white ("supposed goodness"), green (nature), and black (evil). Some cards represent creatures, which can attack the other player, while other spells are played against the opponent directly.

==Criticism==
The card game very quickly came under scrutiny for its inclusion of dark magic elements, such as demons. It was only after strong criticism from concerned families that these elements were scaled back. However, in recent years demons have been returning to Magic<ref>http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/mr131</ref>.

Pastor David Brown has identified four key problems with the game:<ref>http://logosresourcepages.org/Occult/magic-g.htm</ref>
1) The primary focus on the occult
2) The violent nature of the game
3) The addictive nature of the game
4) The identification of the players with evil characters.

Additionally, some cards feature scandalous depictions of female characters, since the artwork style guide aims to appeal to adolescent males. ("Remember, your audience is BOYS 14 and up")<ref>http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/mc3</ref>

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4NyO1gUqU Learn to play magic] - YouTube video

[[Category: Games]]
[[Category:Satanism]]

User talk:WPalmer

2008-07-15T17:43:12Z

WPalmer:

==Magic: The Gathering==
I transferred your article on ''Magic: the gathering'' to the mainspace page "[[Magic: The Gathering]]." I hope you don't mind. It's a very nice article, thank you for writing it. [[User:Martin|Martin]] 22:35, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Thank you very much for moving it, I don't know how. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 13:43, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

User:WPalmer

2008-07-15T17:42:02Z

WPalmer:

Hello! I am new to Conservapedia but want to make a difference. My main focus would like to be on games and other things that affect teenagers/young adults, because I recently found my way out of a lifestyle that encouraged these negative influences.

Let me know where I can help!

Talk:Magic: The Gathering

2008-07-15T17:40:16Z

WPalmer:

==Colors==
I noticed that an editor changed "goodness" to "deceit" in the description of White in the Colors section. I approve of this move on principle, but it might need to be reworded to avoid confusion with Blue (trickery). White, supposedly, is the color of the "good" mages, though obviously twisted in Richard Garfield's view. (See [http://magiccards.info/9e/en/57.html this card].) Blue mages steal and cheat outright, as seen [http://magiccards.info/ud/en/50.html here]. We might want to label Blue as [[deceit]] and White as "supposed goodness" to maintain this distinction. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 13:31, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

+I have gone ahead and made the change. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 13:37, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

==Redirect?==
I just noticed that a page already exists for this "game": [[Magic (card game)]]. Is it possible to merge the two articles? --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 13:40, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Talk:Magic: The Gathering

2008-07-15T17:37:31Z

WPalmer:

==Colors==
I noticed that an editor changed "goodness" to "deceit" in the description of White in the Colors section. I approve of this move on principle, but it might need to be reworded to avoid confusion with Blue (trickery). White, supposedly, is the color of the "good" mages, though obviously twisted in Richard Garfield's view. (See [http://magiccards.info/9e/en/57.html this card].) Blue mages steal and cheat outright, as seen [http://magiccards.info/ud/en/50.html here]. We might want to label Blue as [[deceit]] and White as "supposed goodness" to maintain this distinction. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 13:31, 15 July 2008 (EDT)
+I have gone ahead and made the change. --[[User:WPalmer|WPalmer]] 13:37, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Magic: The Gathering

2008-07-15T17:36:40Z

WPalmer:

'''Magic: the gathering''' is a [[collectible card game]] created in 1993. In it, players take the role of powerful wizards casting [[spells]] at each other in the form of cards. Players must spend money to collect the cards in "booster packs", which they form into decks.

== Colors ==
Magic cards come in five colors, representing the different aspects of magic: red (destruction), blue ([[deceit]]), white ("supposed goodness"), green (nature), and black (evil). Some cards represent creatures, which can attack the other player, while other spells are played against the opponent directly.

==Criticism==
The card game very quickly came under scrutiny for its inclusion of dark magic elements, such as demons. It was only after strong criticism from concerned families that these elements were scaled back. However, in recent years demons have been returning to Magic<ref>http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/mr131</ref>.

Pastor David Brown has identified four key problems with the game:<ref>http://logosresourcepages.org/Occult/magic-g.htm</ref>
1) The primary focus on the occult
2) The violent nature of the game
3) The addictive nature of the game
4) The identification of the players with evil characters.

Additionally, some cards feature scandalous depictions of female characters, since the artwork style guide aims to appeal to adolescent males. ("Remember, your audience is BOYS 14 and up")<ref>http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/mc3</ref>

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Games]]
[[Category:Satanism]]

Talk:Magic: The Gathering

2008-07-15T17:31:14Z

WPalmer: New page: ==Colors== I noticed that an editor changed "goodness" to "deceit" in the description of White in the Colors section. I approve of this move on principle, but it might need to be reworded ...

User:WPalmer

2008-07-15T02:08:42Z

WPalmer: New page: '''Magic: the gathering''' is a collectible card game created in 1993. In it, players take the role of powerful wizards casting spells at each other in the form of cards. Players m...

'''Magic: the gathering''' is a [[collectible card game]] created in 1993. In it, players take the role of powerful wizards casting [[spells]] at each other in the form of cards. Players must spend money to collect the cards in "booster packs", which they form into decks.

== Colors ==
Magic cards come in five colors, representing the different aspects of magic: red (destruction), blue (trickery), white (goodness), green (nature), and black (evil). Some cards represent creatures, which can attack the other player, while other spells are played against the opponent directly.

==Criticism==
The card game very quickly came under scrutiny for its inclusion of dark magic elements, such as demons. It was only after strong criticism from concerned families that these elements were scaled back. However, in recent years demons have been returning to Magic<ref>http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/mr131</ref>.

Pastor David Brown has identified four key problems with the game:<ref>http://logosresourcepages.org/Occult/magic-g.htm</ref>
1) The primary focus on the occult
2) The violent nature of the game
3) The addictive nature of the game
4) The identification of the players with evil characters.

Additionally, some cards feature scandalous depictions of female characters, since the artwork style guide aims to appeal to adolescent males. ("Remember, your audience is BOYS 14 and up")<ref>http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=mtgcom/daily/mc3</ref>