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User talk:AverageJoe

2011-09-28T22:14:58Z

ThomasMacD:

== and now ==

I'm going to ask you to be civil, Even if you don't like what Conservative does insulting him isn't going to get us anywhere. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 18:04, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:What IS going to get us somewhere? Half the internet is laughing at us because of those bestiality articles, and all that Aschlafly does is quietly drop his talk page down the memory hole while everyone is looking somewhere else. If nobody is going to take a stand against this explosion of obscenity, what does that say about us? We can't even try to correct the articles because they're all protected. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 18:07, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::Being uncivil isn't going to help your side though. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 18:09, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Only admins are allowed to be uncivil! I knew that. So sorry. [[User:AverageJoe|AverageJoe]] 18:11, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::That isn't going to help much either.--[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 18:13, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Being civil isn't exactly achieving much either though, is it? Look at how much uproar there's been about this over the last week. DrDean, SamCoulter and BenP are gone. ARamis looks like going. Numerous people have pleaded with Aschalfly to do or say something, and been ignored. People are pulling out of his world history courses in protest. RW are rolling on the floor hooting with laughter. You're an admin; what can we DO? --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 18:14, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

User talk:AverageJoe

2011-09-28T22:07:15Z

ThomasMacD:

Archery

2011-09-28T21:42:28Z

ThomasMacD:

'''Archery''' is the art or sport of shooting a bow. [[Bowhunting]] is the use of archery equipment to hunt [[Game animal|game]].

Humans have practiced archery since very early times. [[Genesis]] 27:3 contains the Bible's first mention of a bow, when [[Isaac]] asks [[Esau]] to go hunt some game for him.<ref>http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=27&version=31</ref> Early bows were simple. Arrows were made of wood with stone arrowheads. It was an important part of warfare until the 15th century when its importance started to decline due to [[gunpowder]] weapons. By the late 18th century, it was making a comeback yet again - as a sport.<ref>The New American Desk Encyclopedia, Penguin Group, 1989</ref>

Today, archery is a highly competitive sport, included in the [[Olympic Games]]<ref>www.usarchery.org/</ref> since 1900.<ref>The New American Desk Encyclopedia, Penguin Group, 1989</ref>

Archers use a variety of types of bows. [[Recurve bow]]s are available in both modern styles, usually with an alloy or composite handle and laminated wood, fibreglass or foam limbs, and traditional styles laminated from wood, horn, sinew and leather or skin. [[Compound bow]]s<ref>http://www.archeryisfun.com/</ref> are a modern design which uses eccentric cams to "let off" the force required to hold back the string as maximum draw is reached, allowing the archer to aim more carefully. Longbows come in various types, all of which are traditional and are made of laminated or plain wood, with the best known being the English longbow. Arrows are now available with alloy, fibreglass or carbonfibre shafts as well as the traditional wood, and fletchings are often made of plastics instead of feathers.

==See Also==

*[[Hunting]]
*[[Bowhunting]]

==References==

<references/>

[[Category:Sports]]

Historical apologism

2011-09-28T21:29:29Z

ThomasMacD: "Blamed" seems better than "tried."

'''Historical apologism''' is a tendency of some, typically [[liberal]], [[historians]] to attempt to apologise for actions in the past, judged by standards of the present. For example, apologising "on behalf of the white race" for [[slavery]] in the [[United States]], despite the fact that both the slave-owners and slaves are long since dead, and supporting "compensation" to [[African-American]]s, by virtue of the crimes of another generation.

Historical apologism can be said to violate the principle of [[justice]] that a person cannot be blamed for the crimes of their ancestors. Leading [[law]] expert Richard Carter described such an idea as "setting an absurd precedent; should the [[Italians]] apologise for the actions of the [[Romans]], the [[Mexicans]] for the [[Aztecs]]?" {{Citation needed}}

==See also==
*[[Holocaust denial]]
*[[Revisionism]]
*[[affirmative action]]
*[[Original sin]]

Spiral galaxy

2011-09-28T21:22:47Z

ThomasMacD: Cleaning up and adding detail.

[[File:Spiral galaxy.jpg|right]]

A '''spiral galaxy''' is a [[galaxy]] consisting of a rotating disk of [[star]]s, [[gas]] and [[dust]] which has a number of arms extending outwards from the galactic centre. Some spiral galaxies have a prominent bulge around the centre, while others have a bar crossing the centre with the spiral arms extending from the ends of the bar.

Some Creation scientists have argued that spiral galaxies are [[Arguments_for_a_recent_creation|evidence of a young universe]].

The [[Milky Way]] is a spiral galaxy, as is the [[Andromeda galaxy]], the closest large galaxy to the Milky Way.

[[Category:Astronomy]]

Druze

2011-09-28T21:19:54Z

ThomasMacD:

The '''Druze''' are a [[religious]] group living mainly in the [[Middle East]]. Their religion is an offshoot of [[Islam]], but also incorporates other religious elements.

The Druze (or Druse) comprise a closely knit religious community estimated at 300,000-450,000 people. Most live in Syria and Lebanon; smaller groups are in Israel and Jordan.
The spiritual leader of the Druze in [[Israel]] is Sheik [[Mowafaq Tarif]].

==History==
The Druze religion originated in 1017 AD, when the Fatimid Caliph al-Hakim declared himself to be the final incarnation of God. The name Druze comes from al-Hakim's first missionary, al-Darazi (d. 1019). The Druzes' first imam (religious leader), however, was Hamza ibn Ali, al-Darazi's rival. After al-Hakim disappeared in 1021, Hamza developed the doctrines of the faith, which included the belief that al-Hakim would return on Judgment Day

For centuries the Druze were hostile to the [[Ottoman Empire]], leading numerous revolts, often with support from Christian states in Europe.

Around 1630, Druze emir Fakhr al-Din Ma'n (1572-1635) gained effective control of provinces of the [[Ottoman Empire]] along the coasts of Syria and Palestine. His rise, fall from power, and eventual execution shed light on the decentralized nature of the Ottoman state, how the Ottomans tolerated and even encouraged factional fighting among provincial elites, and the efforts of Medici Tuscany to establish footholds in the eastern Mediterranean. The key to Fakhr al-Din's political success lay in his ability to mobilize local resources and to work with foreign consuls and merchants to provide security for the Mediterranean trade so vital to the region's economic well-being.
===Maronite conflict===
The [[Maronite]]-Druze conflict in [[Lebanon]], 1840-60 was an outgrowth of the Maronite Christian independence movement directed against the Druze and Ottoman-Turks. The civil war was not therefore a religious war, except in Damascus where it spread and where the population was anti-Christian. The movement culminated with the 1859-60 massacre and defeat of the Christians by the Druzes, who were aided by the Turks. French intervention on behalf of the Maronites did not help the Maronite national movement since France was restricted in 1860 by Britain which did not want the [[Ottoman Empire]] dismembered. But European intervention pressured the Turks to treat the Maronites more justly.<ref> Antoine Abraham, "Lebanese Communal Relations," ''Muslim World'' 1977 67(2): 91-105</ref>
===Israel===
The government of [[Israel]] encourages Druze separatism from Israel's Arab minority through a special educational curriculum emphasizing Druze history and culture, Druze folklore, a calendar of holy days and feasts, and the 'invention of traditions,' including pilgrimages and festivals, associated with the rebuilt or even newly created 'maqamat' (holy places).
===United States===
The American Druze community began in 1881, and pockets of settlement were established without weakening their links to Lebanon. The Arabic language is still used within the communities. The Druze, who see themselves as Islamic but not Muslim, have been active in Arab-American organizations, and in the 1980s the American Druze Public Affairs Committee was formed specifically to counter the Zionist lobby.

==Religion==
The most authoritative Druze religious text is the ''Kitab al-hikma'' (Book of Wisdom), a collection of 111 letters, some of them written by al-Hakim and Hamza. The community is divided into two groups: the uqqual and the juhhal. The uqqual are those initiated into the teachings of the hikma (religious doctrine); the juhhal, comprising the great majority of the population, are unfamiliar with these tenets

==External Links==
[http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/druze.html ''The Druze''], Jewish Virtual Library
==Further reading==
* Betts, R. ''The Druze'' (1988)
* Firro, Kais. ''The Druzes in the Jewish State: A Brief History'' (1999)
* Hitti, Philip K. ''The Origins of the Druze People and Religion, with Extracts from Their Sacred Writings'' (1928)
* Kanaan, Claude Boueiz. ''Lebanon, 1860-1960: A Century of Myth and Politics.'' (2005)

====references====
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[[Category:Islam]]
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[[Category:Middle East]]

Wahhabi

2011-09-28T21:15:32Z

ThomasMacD: al Qaeda is not a cult; it's a terrorist group.

'''Wahhabi''' or '''Wahhabism''' is a an extreme sect in [[Salafist]] [[Islam]]. The movement is predominant in [[Saudi Arabia]], and is an important element in the shaping and propagation of [[Islamic fundamentalism]]. Many [[Muslim]] terrorists are adherents, including [[Osama bin Laden]] and his [[Al Qaeda]] terrorist group.

==History==
Wahhabi fundamentalism originated with [[Syria]]n jurist Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703–92), but was hounded by the more moderate leaders of the [[Ottoman Empire]]. In the early 19th century, alarmed by the increasing influence of Wahhabism in Saudi-controlled Arabia, the Ottoman Empire urged its Egyptian vassal Muhammad Ali Pasha (1769-1849) to mount an armed attack on the movement, which was considered anti-Turkish. Muhammad Ali began operations in 1811, and bitter fighting ensued on and off, with several cease-fires and impermanent peace agreements being tried until Egypt finally seemed to have succeeded (with the help of some Bedouin tribes that also objected to the stern religious views of Wahhabism) in subduing Arabia by 1818. However, Egypt had to concentrate on insurrections at home, and the Saudi Wahhabists eventually recovered their strength in the 1830s. The were confined to Arabia but Abdul Aziz ibn Saud (1876-1953), the founder of modern Saudi Arabia in 1924, was faithful to the Wahhabi sect, as are his hundreds of sons and grandsons who still rule the country.
==Recent==
Once the Saudis gained oil money they used it to spread the sect. Wahhabism's explosive growth outside Arabia began in the 1970s when Saudi charities started funding Wahhabi schools (madrassas) and mosques from Pakistan to California.

Since the Bosnian war ended in 1995, Wahhabis from Saudi Arabia have infiltrated [[Bosnia-Herzegovina]] and [[Kosovo]] primarily to rebuild destroyed mosques in the Saudi style and to convert Balkan Muslims to Wahhabi fundamentalism - much to the displeasure of local Muslims, who are largely non-practicing, as well as American and European diplomats in the region concerned about Muslim radicalism.

==Beliefs==
It is a fundamentalist version of Islam that insists on a literal interpretation of the [[Qur'an]]. It rejects all luxury, dancing, gambling, music, and tobacco, as well as alcohol, and punishes infractions severely, often with death. Strict Wahhabis believe that all those who do not practice their form of Islam are heathens and enemies.

Critics say that Wahhabism's rigidity has led it to misinterpret and distort Islam, pointing to Wahhabi extremists such as Osama bin Laden and the [[Taliban]].

==Further reading==
* Commins, David. ''The Wahhabi Mission and Saudi Arabia'' (2006) 276p.
* Allen, Charles. ''God's Terrorists: The Wahhabi Cult and the Hidden Roots of Modern Jihad'' (2006) 349p.
* Delong-Bas, Natana J. ''Wahhabi Islam: From Revival and Reform to Global Jihad'' (2004) 359p.

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[[category:Terrorism]]

Comet

2011-09-28T21:12:17Z

ThomasMacD: /* Oort cloud */ There is no Nemesis.

[[Image:Comet wild 2.jpg|right|thumb|Photograph of the comet code named ''Wild 2''|250px]]{{etymology|The word "comet" first appears in [[Aristotle]]'s ''Meteorology,'' and derives from the Greek ''komē,'' hair.<ref>[http://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/meteorology.1.i.html Meteorology, part 1], translation by E. W. Webster. See part 7: "The kind of comet varies according to the shape which the exhalation happens to take. If it is diffused equally on every side the star is said to be fringed, if it stretches out in one direction it is called bearded. We have seen that when a fiery principle of this kind moves we seem to have a shooting-star: similarly when it stands still we seem to have a star standing still." Aristotle believed comets could be formed ''from'' stars: "But when the exhalation is constituted by one of the fixed stars or the planets, owing to their motion, one of them becomes a comet. The fringe is not close to the stars themselves."</ref>}}A '''comet''' is a small [[solar system]] body, of irregular shape, composed of [[water]] ice, frozen [[gas]] and non-volatile [[dust]]. They are in highly eccentric [[orbit]]s around the [[sun]], with apo[[apsis|apsides]] varying from 4 AU to 30 AU (in the [[Kuiper belt]]) and beyond. The relatively short life span of comets has provoked a still-unsettled debate concerning their origins. This debate is one of the most important of all debates between [[creationism|creationists]] and non-creationists.<ref name=Yeomans>Yeomans, Donald K. "[http://www.worldbookonline.com/wb/Article?id=ar125580 Comet]." ''World Book Online Reference Center.'' 2005. World Book, Inc. Accessed July 20, 2008</ref><ref name=Hamilton>Hamilton, Calvin J. "[http://www.solarviews.com/eng/comet.htm Comet Introduction]." ''Views of the Solar System'', 1997-2005. Accessed July 20, 2008.</ref><ref name=Arnett>Arnett, William. "[http://www.nineplanets.org/comets.html Comets]." ''The <s>Nine</s>8 Planets'', May 1, 2003. Accessed July 20, 2008.</ref><ref name=space>Authors unnamed. "[http://www.space.com/comets/ Comets]." <http://www.space.com/>, n.d. Accessed July 20, 2008.</ref><ref name=Jewitt>Jewitt, David C. "[http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/faculty/jewitt/comet.html Comet page]." December 9, 1997. Accessed July 20, 2008.</ref><ref name=Brown>Brown, Walter. "[http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Comets.html The Origin of Comets]." ''In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood'', online book, 1995-2008. Accessed July 20, 2008.</ref>

== History of Comet Observation and Exploration ==
[[Image:Halley Bayeux.jpg|left|150px]]Comets as a class were known to the ancients, and some of the most prominent and regularly appearing comets observed today appear in ancient records. For example, [[China|Chinese]] records mention a recurrent comet beginning in 240 BC. That comet is most likely Comet Halley, whose discoverer, Edmond Halley, was the first to predict a comet's reappearance in advance. Comet Halley also appeared on April 24, 1066, to astounded onlookers in [[England]] prior to the conquest of England by the Normans, as depicted in the Tapestry of Bayeux.<ref name=Bayeux>Crack, Glen Ray. "[http://www.hastings1066.com/bayhi3a.shtml Bayeux Tapestry Highlights Part 3, Image 1]." <http://www.hastings1066.com/>, January 10, 1998. Retrieved July 20, 2008.</ref>

In fact, comets have been observed for far longer in history. The ancient [[Greece|Greeks]] called them "evil stars," which in Greek is ''dys'' evil and ''astron'' a star. This is the origin of the modern word ''disaster''. The association of comets with untoward events or prophecies continued as recently as the twentieth century, when Comet Halley made an unusually close rendezvous with [[earth]].<ref name=Newburn>Newburn, Ray. "[http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news90.html NASA's Blazing the Trail to Understand Comets]." [[JPL]], [[NASA]], November 21, 2003. Accessed July 20, 2008.</ref>

Today, amateur astronomers often discover comets. Recent computerized sky surveys now find most comets as they approach the [[sun]].<ref name=Arnett/>

== Parts of a comet ==
[[Image:Halley1910a.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Halley's Comet on its 1910 appearance. This Yerkes Observatory photograph is highly enlarged; the comet would not have appeared this large or bright to the naked eye.]]The '''nucleus''' or ''head'' of a comet is a lightweight ball of rock, dust, and ice that resembles a dirty snowball. As a comet approaches the sun at 5 AU or closer, the '''coma''' forms. This is the base of the two ''tails'' of the comet. The ice begins to melt and vaporize, and the solar wind blows the liberated particles away from the sun. The dust forms one tail, and [[ion]]s form another.<ref name=Yeomans/>

Comet nuclei are currently thought to measure 16 kilometers across or less.<ref name=Yeomans/> A comet nucleus shines with reflected light only. A comet's coma often absorbs ultraviolet radiation and becomes fluorescent. In so doing it can shine more brightly than does the nucleus.<ref name=Hamilton/> A comet's tails can extend for 160 million kilometers<ref name=Yeomans/> and thus appear larger than the constellation of Ursa Major, and occasionally brighter than the [[Milky Way]] itself.

Since 1981, satellite-based cameras have repeatedly photographed a number of objects striking earth's [[atmosphere]] and vaporizing. These might in fact be small cometary nuclei, each as large as a house. Remarkably, these objects tend to strike more frequently in the early fall than in the early winter. Some critics contend that these objects are mere camera noise, but experiments to replicate house-sized comets have succeeded in duplicating the observed effects.<ref name=Brown/>

Meteor showers often occur with comets, as the earth passes through the dust tail and some of the dust enters the [[atmosphere]]. Oddly, such showers almost always occur during late summer or fall.<ref name=Arnett/>

== Chemical composition ==
[[Image:Yerkeshalley2.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Illustration of how Halley's Comet might have looked to a naked-eye observer standing on the ground of Yerkes observatory in 1910. Moon at left, Halley's at right. Relative sizes are correct and this is the way an extremely bright comet actually looks. Although its appearance suggests motion, comets do not swoop through the sky; their position changes slowly over many hours.]]The ice portion of a comet is mostly water but might include other substances. These include [[ammonia]], [[carbon dioxide]], [[carbon monoxide]], [[methane]], and [[ethane]].<ref name=Brown/><ref name=Yeomans/>

In 1998 and 1999, Meier ''et al.'' published at least three papers showing that comets are remarkably rich in [[deuterium]] or "heavy" [[hydrogen]]. This included deuterated water (HDO)<ref name=Meier1>Meier, Roland, Owen, Tobias C., Matthews, Henry E., ''et al.'' "[http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/279/5352/842 A Determination of the HDO/H₂O Ratio in Comet C/1995 O1 (Hale-Bopp)]." ''Science'', 279(5352):842-844, February 6, 1998. {{doi|10.1126/science.279.5352.842}} Accessed July 20, 2008.</ref><ref name=Meier2>Meier, Roland, and Owens, Tobias C. "Cometary Deuterium". ''Space Science Review'', 90(1-2):33-43, 1999. Cited in Niemann HB, Atreya SK, Bauer SJ, ''et al.'' "[http://www-personal.umich.edu/~atreya/Articles/2005_GCMS_nature04122.pdf The abundances of constituents of Titan’s atmosphere from the GCMS instrument on the Huygens probe]." ''Nature'', 438:779-784, 2005. {{doi|10.1038/nature04122}} Accessed July 20, 2008.</ref> and deuterated hydrogen cyanide (DCN)<ref name=Meier3>Meier, Roland, Owen, Tobias C., Jewitt, David C., ''et al.'' "[http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/279/5357/1707 Deuterium in Comet C/1995 O1 (Hale-Bopp): Detection of DCN]." ''Science'' 279(5357):1707-1710, March 13, 1998. {{doi|10.1126/science.279.5357.1707}} Accessed July 20, 2008.</ref> In fact they have it in twice the concentration of deuterium in the seas of earth and 20 to 100 times the concentration in the rest of the solar system. In 1998 Meier stated flatly that{{cquote|Comets cannot be the only source for the oceans on Earth.}}

In July of 2004, the Stardust mission approached to within 150 miles of Comet Wild 2 and was able to sample its tail and return the samples to earth (January 2006). The returned dust was crystalline and included organic material, water ice, and many terrestrial minerals. These included [[aluminum]], [[magnesium]], [[calcium]], and [[titanium]].<ref name=Brown/>

One year later, on July 4, 2005, the Deep Impact mission conducted the first direct analysis of the rocky portion of a comet nucleus, by launching a projectile into Comet Tempel 1. The projectile liberated much material, including silicates, crystalline silicates, minerals that normally form in liquid water ([[calcium carbonate]] forms and clays), an organic material of still undetermined composition, sodium, and a very fine powder.<ref name=Brown/>

== Families of comets ==
=== By period ===
Astronomers today divide comets into at least two classes. The official definition of a ''short-period'' comet is any comet having a period of 200 years or shorter. Any comet having a longer period is called a ''long-period'' comet.<ref name=Yeomans/><ref name=space/>

Walt Brown notes that 205 comets have periods of 100 years or shorter, and 659 comets have periods of 700 years or longer. He also counts 50 ''intermediate-period'' comets having periods between those two values.

Several very long-period comets, in near-parabolic orbits, are known. No comets have ever been seen in hyperbolic orbits.

=== By apsis ===
Roughly 60% of all short-period comets belong to ''[[Jupiter]]'s family''. These are comets having aphelions varying between 4 and 6 AU. Other short-period comets have aphelia within the [[Kuiper belt]]. The long-period comets have calculated aphelia far beyond the Kuiper belt, at about 50,000 AU.<ref name=Brown/>

The perihelia of all comets vary between 1 and 3 AU.

=== By inclination ===
Short-period comets tend to lie in or close to the plane of the ecliptic. Long- and intermediate comets can have any inclination from zero to ninety degrees.<ref name=Brown/>

=== By orbital direction ===
Short-period comets are almost all in prograde orbits. But more than half of all long-period comets are in retrograde orbits.<ref name=Brown/>

=== Descriptive table ===
The following table, adapted from Brown<ref name=Brown/>, gives orbital characteristics and composition of the 964 comets now known:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Attribute
! Short
! Intermediate
! Long
|-
| Period
| < 100 a
| 100-700 a
| > 700 a
|-
| Number
| 205
| 50
| 659
|-
| Inclination to ecliptic
| Usually low
| Low to high
| Low to high
|-
| Prograde portion
| 93%
| 70%
| 47%
|-
| Retrograde portion
| 7%
| 30%
| 53%
|}

== Life span ==
Comets have remarkably short life spans. Most periodic comets, particularly in Jupiter's family, have life spans of 10,000<ref name=icr>Humphreys, D. Russell. "[http://www.icr.org/article/1842/ ICR Article: Evidence for a Young World]." [[Institute for Creation Research]], n.d. Accessed July 20, 2008</ref> to 12,000 years.<ref name=Brown/> A comet may make a limited number of orbits before all its volatile substances sublimate away, leaving behind an asteroid-like rock. Certain asteroid-like objects, called ''damocloids'', in highly eccentric orbits around the sun might be inactive comets. 21 such objects are known.<ref name=Jewitt/> Some authorities estimate that half of all near-earth [[asteroid]]s are in fact cometary remnants.<ref name=Arnett/>

== Origin ==
=== Uniformitarian/evolutionary theories ===
Brown<ref name=Brown/> details several evolutionary theories of the origins of comets.
==== Oort cloud ====
: ''Main article: [[Oort Cloud]]''
Most conventional [[astronomy|astronomers]] invoke the [[nebula theory]] and state that comets are debris that failed to accrete into the [[planet]]s and [[moon]]s when the [[solar system]] formed.<ref name=Yeomans/><ref name=space/> The classic [[Oort Cloud]] theory states that the Oort cloud, a sphere measuring about 50,000 AU in radius, formed at the same time as the solar nebula and occasionally releases comets into the inner solar system as a star passes closely enough for its gravity to perturb the Oort Cloud. Jewitt<ref name=Jewitt/> and others have proposed instead that comets initially formed near or immediately beyond the [[gas giant]] planets. Some of these objects persist as Kuiper belt objects. Others passed close enough to the gas giants to gain sufficient energy to launch them into high orbits, where they eventually formed the Oort cloud and, some suggest, continue to resupply it.

==== Interstellar capture ====
According to this theory, the sun passes through and perturbs clouds of interstellar dust and gas. In the process it captures large numbers of particles, which accrete into comets.

==== Meteor stream ====
Comets form continuously from a stream of meteors in various orbits around the Sun.

==== Volcanism ====
Comets are volcanic ejecta, from either the various gas giants or some of their moons.

==== Exploded planet ====
A planet originally in the region now occupied by the main asteroid belt exploded about 3,200,000 years ago. The presently observed comets and asteroids are its remnants.

==== Organic matter ====
: ''Main article: [[Panspermia]]''
Many comets contain organic compounds, including methane and ethane. This has led some scientists to speculate that comets brought to earth the initial "seeds" of life.

==== Problems for uniformitarian theories ====
Many comets have life spans less than 10,000 years. According to the [[nebula theory]], comets formed with the rest of the solar system, 4.6 billion years ago. Adherents of the interstellar capture theory try to connect the origin of cometary matter with the [[Big Bang]], which, they say, happened about 13.7 billion years ago. But in that case, all the short-period comets ought to have disappeared. This is especially true of the Jupiter family. Even if the Kuiper belt is the source of short-period comets, such comets would have to lose much kinetic [[energy]] in order to settle into the short-aphelion orbits of Jupiter's family. This begs the question of how and where they lost this energy.<ref name=Brown/>

Brown lists many other problems for various uniformitarian theories posed by comets:

# Comets form by accretion of water ice and other materials. This explains why comets usually have the consistency of snowballs and not of hard blocks of ice. Accretion from a solar nebula has never been satisfactorily modeled. Accretion requires the sudden release of a stream of matter beyond the sphere of gravitational influence of another body, and into a region in which the matter can form its own, rapidly growing sphere of influence. The putative conditions of the solar nebula do not meet this requirement.
# Large quantities of water ice have been observed on the poles of the [[moon]], the planet [[Mercury]], and now, most recently, on [[Mars]]. Why this ice has not evaporated, particularly from the moon and Mercury, where atmospheric pressures are negligible, has never been explained.
# Crystalline dust might form from an exploded planet, but it would not be likely to form in any of the other proposed models.
# If comets formed in the region of the putative Oort cloud, they would not attain near-parabolic orbits.
# The original Oort cloud model and the interstellar capture model would tend to produce perihelia with predictable alignments. The perihelia of comets are almost completely random.
# Either of the Oort cloud models would be expected to produce comets with hyperbolic orbits. No such cometary orbit has ever been observed.
# The observed perihelia, varying from 1 to 3 AU, are incompatible with any origin of comets beyond 3 au. Therefore, comets would have to form in the main asteroid belt or closer to the sun.
# The Oort cloud, if it exists, cannot be the source of short-period comets. But [[Gerard P. Kuiper]] formed the hypothesis of the belt of objects that bears his name to explain this discrepancy.
# Jupiter's family of comets cannot have come from a planetary explosion at 3 au from the sun, or from any other source described above other than volcanic ejection from Jupiter.
# If comets formed in the gas giant region and were later launched into the Oort cloud, many of the comets now observed would have destroyed one another long ago.
# The current composition of comets cannot have resulted from volcanic ejection from a gas giant.
# The unusual proportion of deuterium in comets, and only in comets, makes their origin from either the solar nebula or an interstellar dust cloud very problematic. The preferential concentration of deuterium is the most difficult observation to explain.
# The small comets recently observed striking the earth should not be observed if comets originated beyond 3 AU.
# The observed meteor craters are mostly superficial and thus inconsistent with a formation of comets within the inner solar system millions or billions of years ago. This militates against the exploded-planet and revised Oort cloud models.

For further details, see Brown's [http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Comets9.html table] of various comet-origin theories and how well (or poorly) they explain the evidence.

=== Creation theory ===
: ''Main article: [[Hydroplate theory]]''
Brown proposes a radically different theory for the origin of comets: that they originated from matter ejected into space during the [[global flood]]. According to his [[hydroplate theory]], the Flood waters broke through a crustal rupture that persists today as the Mid-Oceanic Ridge system. This water was extremely hot and under tremendous pressure. Brown estimates that less than one percent was ejected into space. In the process, the edges of the crust at the rupture crumbled, and much of their material was ejected with the water.

The ejecta easily reached [[escape speed]] and soon passed beyond earth's gravitational influence. Some of the rocks abruptly formed spheres of influence of their own and attracted the surrounding water through gravitational accretion. Brown calculates that the ejecta included enough mass for 50,000 comets, far more than have thus far been observed.

Much of the water fell onto the moon and the planets Mercury and Mars, where it condensed and froze in the polar regions. The hydroplate theory also states that many of the rocks fell to the moon and thus created the craters and maria observed today.

Many of the comets were ejected into hyperbolic orbits, never to return to the inner solar system. Others were launched into near-parabolic orbits, either immediately or under the influence of the gas giants.

The high concentrations of deuterium reflect the initial composition of the subcrustal oceans. The organic matter came ''from'' earth and was never introduced ''to'' earth by the comets.

==== Problems for the hydroplate theory ====
The hydroplate theory has two known problems:

# Near-parabolic comets often have very long periods. Their launch in an event occurring 4400 years ago is difficult to explain, unless they received a gravitational boost from Jupiter or some other gas giant.
# Humphreys followed up on his model for the creation of planetary magnetic fields<ref name=Humphreys>Humphreys, D. R. "[http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/21/21_3/21_3.html The Creation of Planetary Magnetic Fields]." ''[[Creation Research Society Quarterly]]'' 21(3), December 1984. Accessed April 29, 2008.</ref> and calculated that the moon suffered two bombardments, neither of which were in time frames compatible with the global flood. According to Humphreys, the maria formed three centuries after the fall of man, and the visible craters formed about a century or so after the flood. If most of the comets, asteroids, and [[meteor]]oids now observed were flood ejecta, then they could have subjected the moon (and other moons in the solar system) to a heavy bombardment a century later and formed the craters. But they could not have formed the maria.

These problems, however, are distinctly minor in comparison to the great number of critical difficulties for uniformitarian theories.

== References ==
{{reflist|2}}

== See Also ==
* [[Halley's Comet]]
* [[Kuiper Belt]]
* [[Oort cloud]]
* [[Nemesis (Star)]]
* [[Hydroplate theory]]

[[Category:Astronomy]]

Chaldeans

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'''Chaldean''' has both a historical and a modern meaning.

==History==
Chaldean is a Hellenistic term for the Ancient Babylonians.

The Chaldeans seized the [[Assyria|Assyrian]] capital, [[Nineveh]], in 612 B.C., and destroyed it. They soon conquered all of [[Mesopotamia]] and [[Syria]]. In 586 B.C. they conquered [[Judah]] and scattered the Jewish nation. This began the period of Jewish history known as the exile. Although the Chaldeans only remained in power for fifty years, they were responsible for founding what is known as the [[Neo-Babylonian empire]]. Elaborate and beautiful palaces and buildings were constructed by the Chaldeans. The famous [[Hanging Gardens]] of Babylon were made during the Chaldean rule.

The Chaldeans’ short reign is chronicled in the Biblical story of [[Daniel (Biblical book)|Daniel]]. As a teenager, Daniel was captured by the Chaldean army during its first attack on [[Jerusalem]]. While Daniel served under [[Nebuchadnezzar II]], one of only a few Chaldean kings, he interpreted dreams, witnessed the miraculous survival of [[Shadrach, Meschach and Aben-nego]] in the fiery furnace, and accurately predicted Nebuchadnezzar’s descent into madness before reclaiming his throne. Under the rule of Nebuchadnezzar’s son, [[Belshazzar]], Daniel witnessed the writing on the wall, which he interpreted for Belshazzar as a sign of Belshazzar’s imminent downfall. The very next day, the [[Persians]] invaded, killed Belshazzar, and took over the Babylonian empire.

==Modern Usage==
'''Chaldeans''' are an [[Eastern Rite]] [[Catholic]] minority originating in the [[Middle East]]. Most speak a language called "Chaldean", or "Syriac", which is a branch of [[Aramaic]]. Chaldeans usually speak the dominant language of their country as well (usually [[Arabic]]). They are closely related to modern [[Assyrians]]. Many Chaldeans have immigrated to the U.S. from [[Iraq]] due to anti-Christian persecution since the 2003 invasion.<ref>http://www.byzantines.net/epiphany/chaldean.htm</ref> Since the Coalition Forces invasion of Iraq, it has been very difficult for Chaldeans to immigrate to the U.S. any longer. Those fleeing persecution have been forced to go to Syria and Jordan. Saddam Hussein's former deputy president, [[Tariq Aziz]], was a Chaldean Christian. There are large Chaldean communities in [[Los Angeles]] and [[Detroit]].<ref>http://www.chaldeanvoice.org/</ref>

==References==
<references/>

[[category:Babylon]]
[[category:Christianity]]
[[category:biblical Peoples]]

Home

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A '''home''' is a place where a [[person]] or [[family]] lives. It can be a house, apartment or temporary living quarters. It can also be used in the context of a place where one was born or raised, like a [[city]], [[state]] or [[country]].

[[Category:Domestic Life]]

Polyatomic ion

2011-09-28T21:06:46Z

ThomasMacD:

A '''polyatomic ion''' is a group of atoms bound together, with a net positive or negative electrical [[charge]]. See [[molecule]].

Examples of polyatomic ions are:

*[[Acetate]] (CH3COO-) colorless
*[[Ammonium]] (NH4+) colorless
*[[Carbonate]] (CO32-) colorless
*[[Chlorate]] (ClO3-) colorless
*[[Chlorite]] (ClO22-) colorless
*[[Chromate]] (CrO42-) yellow
*[[Cyanide]] (CN-) colorless
*[[Dichromate]] (Cr2O7-) red
*[[Hydronium]] (H3O+) colorless
*[[Hydroxide]] (OH-) colorless
*[[Nitrate]] (NO3-) colorless
*[[Nitrite]] (NO2-) colorless
*[[Phosphate]] (PO43-) colorless
*[[Sulfate]] (SO42-) colorless
*[[Sulfite]] (SO32-) colorless

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Chemistry]]

Talk:Atheism and bestiality

2011-09-28T18:07:31Z

ThomasMacD: /* For what it's worth */

==I don't even know what to say about this article...==
I was going to leave Conservapedia but when I see this kind of article, I just can't. Conservative, do you know that you are becoming very offensive? 
I heard that you were always eager to debate. I have a lot of questions about christianity & atheism that I would like to discuss. Would you be willing to answer my questions ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:56, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Is the reason why you don't know what to say about the [[Atheism and bestiality]] article is that I pick reputable sources plus have 6 pages of relevant information? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:06, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Then, would you accept my offer to debate ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== Absolutely revolting. Andy Schlafly, please put an end to this. ==

Disgusted. As a Christian I am reviled by this. There are no links that support what this Peter Singer said, merely heresy from another website which doesn't state its sources. Then it is taken to paint a group of people in the same stripe. Absolutely immoral, unsupported filth. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:14, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:What's next? '''''Atheism and mastur<nowiki />bation'''''? Oh wait, [[Conservapedia:Deletedpage|mastur<nowiki />bation]] is a naughty word - even the spam-filter doesn't like it. Bestiality should be added to the list! [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 17:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::Yeah this is really bad, not that anything else this user has done has been that much better. -1 for lack of fatty fat fat ad hominems and lack of bunny photos. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:20, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::: I suggest [[Atheism and Mass Murder]] or [[Atheism and evolutionary racism | Atheism and Racism]]. Oh wait, it already exists ! That's just great encyclopedic content ! And so objective by the way !--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 17:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::I saw your response and noticed that you started it off with "I suggest..." so I stopped reading it, but here's an article on flying cats instead. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:23, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::there is no support for this claim - this user is trolling. Lowering the tone immensely. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:24, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::User:conservative is trying too hard--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 18:32, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::It was incredibly easy to find 4 pages of relevant material on this topic. Given the depravity of atheism this is not entirely surprising. As far as what is next, I have not given the topic or timing of my next article on atheism although I have alluded to [[User talk:CamilleT|an upcoming article on atheism]] to a Conservapedian. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:11, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::That is wonderful, when shall we see it? And Conservative, you state that atheists are depraved. I personally know many atheists and none of them are depraved in any way you have implied. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 22:19, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::SeanS, it is just useless, for Conservative loves to make up a rule from 1 case...--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

==Support ?==
Conservative, could you please provide some support that Peter Singer defends the practice of bestiality ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 18:38, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::I cited a source plus in case you are forgetting you are on the information superhighway. I suggest going to a search engine and typing in the words Peter Singer. The reason I am taking you to task is that I think you are being lazy and/or contentious. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:01, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Please avoid being insulting, Conservative. I did actually googled it but I found nothing except from anti-atheists websites (like creation.com) which cannot really be considered as objective on this matter.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Please do not waste my time and second I don't believe you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:30, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Oh you're right, that's just a waste of time. I forgot that Conservapedia is not a democracy, it's all about aristocracy: the king Andy who rules his kingdom seconded by his lords. And when Lord Conservative speaks, no one may dare oppose him. Thanks for reminding me of this.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== Error ==

Where ever you copied this from, Conservative. There's a misplaced "2" in your Stalin paragraph (clearly should have been a reference).
There's also a typo in reference #11.
[[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 02:46, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Thanks, removed.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:28, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== To Aschlafly: Unprotect request ==

As it appears you believe this article adds to Conservapedia's value as an educational resource, can you please unprotect it - and make sure it '''stays''' unprotected - so that the entire CP community can help to improve it? Thanks. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 21:57, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

== Extension suggestion ==

Could someone add the passages of the Scripture regarding bestiality (Leviticus 18: v 23, Leviticus 20: v 15 and Deuteronomy 27: v 21)please?
I would also suggest an historic part about bestiality in Europe (for instance the story of ''Leda and the swan'' in ancient Greek mythology) and how the rise of christianity helped to rid Europe and the world of bestiality. Or would that be a stand-alone article? À Dieu --[[User:VPropp|VPropp]] 14:53, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

Added Bible versus. Second, please create a section/article here [[User: VProppand/atheism-bestiality-Europe]] and focus on how/why Christianity helped greatly reduce bestiality in Europe and then I can add it. Also, if there is somewhat of a resurgence in bestiality in a Europe that is less Christianized and you can document it in a non-salacious way, then do that too. Please make sure you use reputable sources (not salacious sources) and I would prefer no pictures. Indicate on this talk page when you are done. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:17, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
:::VPropp, here are sources that are interesting and it relates to history: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7858632 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19239958 Also, I can check back on this web page to see if you did the article. When should I check back? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:20, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

==Psst! I got a secret for you...==

As the author of this entry is quite fond of touting how prominently their articles show up in search results... one has to ask: why is [[User:Conservative]] purposely trying to undermine his/her own efforts? And by extension, Conservapedia as a whole? I am sure that the author of this very encyclopedic entry is well aware that most God fearing people enable the "Safe Search" feature so as not to be assaulted with any vile anti-Christian filth. Well guess what chief? With safe search on, the most popular search engine in the world filters out all pages containing the word ''bestiality''. So go right on adding that word to your feverish heart's content. But keep in mind that every page you pepper with your current favorite word, is another page that disappears from millions of search results. You're welcome. --[[User:SteveK|SteveK]] 22:51, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
::Who said I created this article to get web traffic? Second, are search engines the only way to get web traffic? I have found that cognitive flexibility and logical thinking are not strengths of many atheists. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:39, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== For what it's worth ==

For what it's worth, I do think there is something of an omission in all these articles, which is any examples of atheists who have actually committed bestiality. It's mostly about them not condemning it, which is unbiblical, but which I think is just as likely to stem from naivety (not having thought a great deal about what the practice actually entails) as from depravity.

Can anyone suggest any prominent atheists who commit bestiality as well as condoning it?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:01, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

:Another thought: of course it's relevant to cite the Bible, but fully half of the verses that mention it (two) recommend the death penalty for bestialters. Should this be mentioned? Do any countries currently execute for this crime?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:15, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

::I can't find any examples. To be honest I wouldn't expect many people, atheists or otherwise, to go around condemning bestiality all the time. Constant condemnation of a pretty rare practice seems to imply that you're thinking about it to a degree that's not... entirely normal. Anyway I've lived in the UK for 40 years and the only time bestiality ever gets mentioned is when people make jokes about the Welsh, so it would be fair to say it's not a big social issue here. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 11:18, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::re: CPalmner's above comments: If someone wants to do research on the atheist Marquis de Sade and the Oxford nihilist A.C Swindburne that would be fine. Here is what I found: http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/swinburne/acsbio1.html [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:20, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Also, I seem to recall that Conservapedia has a list of atheist killers/serial killers and my guess is that some of them may have engaged in this act. Again, this would require more research. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:33, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::That link says nothing about de Sade practicing bestiality and only says that Swindburne circulated a story about it; it also points out that he frequently spread untrue stories about himself. This isn't evidence. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:35, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
Actually, I think the article says the Wilde accused him of spreading stories which is not the same thing. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::I know Jeffrey Dahmer was an evolutionist and he may have been an atheist. I don't know. He seems to have done evil things to animals but I don't know the specifics http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/03/john-coopes.html
:::::This website indicates that Jeffrey Dahmer was an atheist: http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/ If memory serves, I do realize he converted to Christianity in jail. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:43, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yes, but is there any evidence that Dahmer committed bestiality? --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:49, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::The fact is that both atheists and Christians practice bestiality (don't even get me started on muslims) and what we need is evidence that atheists are more likely to do so. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
I was very clear that I said I don't know and I only have a report he did evil things to animals. You seem awfully defensive. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:04, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:I'm not being defensive; I'm just suggesting that if we want to suggest a link between atheism and bestiality it would be nice to have evidence that a higher percentage of atheists than Christians commit it. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:07, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Atheism and bestiality

2011-09-28T18:02:52Z

ThomasMacD: /* For what it's worth */

Talk:Atheism and bestiality

2011-09-28T17:49:36Z

ThomasMacD: /* For what it's worth */

==I don't even know what to say about this article...==
I was going to leave Conservapedia but when I see this kind of article, I just can't. Conservative, do you know that you are becoming very offensive? 
I heard that you were always eager to debate. I have a lot of questions about christianity & atheism that I would like to discuss. Would you be willing to answer my questions ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:56, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Is the reason why you don't know what to say about the [[Atheism and bestiality]] article is that I pick reputable sources plus have 6 pages of relevant information? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:06, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Then, would you accept my offer to debate ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== Absolutely revolting. Andy Schlafly, please put an end to this. ==

Disgusted. As a Christian I am reviled by this. There are no links that support what this Peter Singer said, merely heresy from another website which doesn't state its sources. Then it is taken to paint a group of people in the same stripe. Absolutely immoral, unsupported filth. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:14, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:What's next? '''''Atheism and mastur<nowiki />bation'''''? Oh wait, [[Conservapedia:Deletedpage|mastur<nowiki />bation]] is a naughty word - even the spam-filter doesn't like it. Bestiality should be added to the list! [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 17:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::Yeah this is really bad, not that anything else this user has done has been that much better. -1 for lack of fatty fat fat ad hominems and lack of bunny photos. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:20, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::: I suggest [[Atheism and Mass Murder]] or [[Atheism and evolutionary racism | Atheism and Racism]]. Oh wait, it already exists ! That's just great encyclopedic content ! And so objective by the way !--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 17:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::I saw your response and noticed that you started it off with "I suggest..." so I stopped reading it, but here's an article on flying cats instead. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:23, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::there is no support for this claim - this user is trolling. Lowering the tone immensely. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:24, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::User:conservative is trying too hard--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 18:32, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::It was incredibly easy to find 4 pages of relevant material on this topic. Given the depravity of atheism this is not entirely surprising. As far as what is next, I have not given the topic or timing of my next article on atheism although I have alluded to [[User talk:CamilleT|an upcoming article on atheism]] to a Conservapedian. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:11, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::That is wonderful, when shall we see it? And Conservative, you state that atheists are depraved. I personally know many atheists and none of them are depraved in any way you have implied. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 22:19, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::SeanS, it is just useless, for Conservative loves to make up a rule from 1 case...--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

==Support ?==
Conservative, could you please provide some support that Peter Singer defends the practice of bestiality ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 18:38, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::I cited a source plus in case you are forgetting you are on the information superhighway. I suggest going to a search engine and typing in the words Peter Singer. The reason I am taking you to task is that I think you are being lazy and/or contentious. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:01, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Please avoid being insulting, Conservative. I did actually googled it but I found nothing except from anti-atheists websites (like creation.com) which cannot really be considered as objective on this matter.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Please do not waste my time and second I don't believe you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:30, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Oh you're right, that's just a waste of time. I forgot that Conservapedia is not a democracy, it's all about aristocracy: the king Andy who rules his kingdom seconded by his lords. And when Lord Conservative speaks, no one may dare oppose him. Thanks for reminding me of this.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== Error ==

Where ever you copied this from, Conservative. There's a misplaced "2" in your Stalin paragraph (clearly should have been a reference).
There's also a typo in reference #11.
[[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 02:46, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Thanks, removed.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:28, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== To Aschlafly: Unprotect request ==

As it appears you believe this article adds to Conservapedia's value as an educational resource, can you please unprotect it - and make sure it '''stays''' unprotected - so that the entire CP community can help to improve it? Thanks. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 21:57, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

== Extension suggestion ==

Could someone add the passages of the Scripture regarding bestiality (Leviticus 18: v 23, Leviticus 20: v 15 and Deuteronomy 27: v 21)please?
I would also suggest an historic part about bestiality in Europe (for instance the story of ''Leda and the swan'' in ancient Greek mythology) and how the rise of christianity helped to rid Europe and the world of bestiality. Or would that be a stand-alone article? À Dieu --[[User:VPropp|VPropp]] 14:53, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

Added Bible versus. Second, please create a section/article here [[User: VProppand/atheism-bestiality-Europe]] and focus on how/why Christianity helped greatly reduce bestiality in Europe and then I can add it. Also, if there is somewhat of a resurgence in bestiality in a Europe that is less Christianized and you can document it in a non-salacious way, then do that too. Please make sure you use reputable sources (not salacious sources) and I would prefer no pictures. Indicate on this talk page when you are done. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:17, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
:::VPropp, here are sources that are interesting and it relates to history: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7858632 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19239958 Also, I can check back on this web page to see if you did the article. When should I check back? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:20, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

==Psst! I got a secret for you...==

As the author of this entry is quite fond of touting how prominently their articles show up in search results... one has to ask: why is [[User:Conservative]] purposely trying to undermine his/her own efforts? And by extension, Conservapedia as a whole? I am sure that the author of this very encyclopedic entry is well aware that most God fearing people enable the "Safe Search" feature so as not to be assaulted with any vile anti-Christian filth. Well guess what chief? With safe search on, the most popular search engine in the world filters out all pages containing the word ''bestiality''. So go right on adding that word to your feverish heart's content. But keep in mind that every page you pepper with your current favorite word, is another page that disappears from millions of search results. You're welcome. --[[User:SteveK|SteveK]] 22:51, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
::Who said I created this article to get web traffic? Second, are search engines the only way to get web traffic? I have found that cognitive flexibility and logical thinking are not strengths of many atheists. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:39, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== For what it's worth ==

For what it's worth, I do think there is something of an omission in all these articles, which is any examples of atheists who have actually committed bestiality. It's mostly about them not condemning it, which is unbiblical, but which I think is just as likely to stem from naivety (not having thought a great deal about what the practice actually entails) as from depravity.

Can anyone suggest any prominent atheists who commit bestiality as well as condoning it?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:01, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

:Another thought: of course it's relevant to cite the Bible, but fully half of the verses that mention it (two) recommend the death penalty for bestialters. Should this be mentioned? Do any countries currently execute for this crime?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:15, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

::I can't find any examples. To be honest I wouldn't expect many people, atheists or otherwise, to go around condemning bestiality all the time. Constant condemnation of a pretty rare practice seems to imply that you're thinking about it to a degree that's not... entirely normal. Anyway I've lived in the UK for 40 years and the only time bestiality ever gets mentioned is when people make jokes about the Welsh, so it would be fair to say it's not a big social issue here. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 11:18, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::re: CPalmner's above comments: If someone wants to do research on the atheist Marquis de Sade and the Oxford nihilist A.C Swindburne that would be fine. Here is what I found: http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/swinburne/acsbio1.html [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:20, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Also, I seem to recall that Conservapedia has a list of atheist killers/serial killers and my guess is that some of them may have engaged in this act. Again, this would require more research. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:33, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::That link says nothing about de Sade practicing bestiality and only says that Swindburne circulated a story about it; it also points out that he frequently spread untrue stories about himself. This isn't evidence. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:35, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::I know Jeffrey Dahmer was an evolutionist and he may have been an atheist. I don't know. He seems to have done evil things to animals but I don't know the specifics http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/03/john-coopes.html
:::::This website indicates that Jeffrey Dahmer was an atheist: http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/ If memory serves, I do realize he converted to Christianity in jail. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:43, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yes, but is there any evidence that Dahmer committed bestiality? --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:49, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Atheism and bestiality

2011-09-28T17:35:27Z

ThomasMacD: /* For what it's worth */

Piltdown Man

2011-09-28T16:52:22Z

ThomasMacD: Historical accuracy: Dawson refused to allow scientists to examine the fossils after early doubts were raised.

[[File:Ev67c.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Piltdown man "skull"]]
'''Piltdown Man''' was a notorious hoax perpetrated early in 20th century [[Great Britain]], in which a medieval human skull was combined with the lower jaw of an [[orangutan]] and subsequently "found" in a gravel pit in the near the village of Piltdown, England. Hailed as the "[[missing link]]" between man and ape-like species by promoters of [[evolution]] for decades, Piltdown man was exposed as a fraud only through later scientific testing and simple observation. The refusal of the discoverer to allow independent scrutiny of his claims enabled this fraud to persist '''''for over forty years'''''.

Critics of evolution believe that the Piltdown man was not an isolated incident of bad judgment by evolutionists and that the examples of the [[Nebraska Man]], [[Java Man]], [[Ocre Man]], [[Neanderthal]]s, and [[Flores Man]] can be cited. <ref>[http://www.nwcreation.net/evolutionfraud.html "Evolution Fraud"], Northwest Creation Network</ref> Rather than admit the defects in their methods that facilitate hoaxes, many evolutionists simply rewrote their alleged tree of ancestors without the Piltdown man in it (a clear case of [[evolutionist denial]]).

==History==
In February 1912 Arthur Smith Woodward of the [[British Museum]] received a letter from a [[Sussex]] lawyer named Charles Dawson about a discovery he had made while excavating a gravel pit. What Dawson had described were fragments of a skull cap belonging to an ancient human; the skull was found in 1908 in the Piltdown region; other fragments were recovered in 1911, along with animal bones. Excitement over the findings resulted in a more comprehensive excavation in June, 1912, allowing the recovery of more skull fragments, part of the mandible, additional animal bones and stone tools.

Shortly afterward, Piltdown Man was declared the most important [[fossil]] find in Europe. The ''[[New York Times]]'' declared it to be the true [[missing link]]; a headline from that paper would read “[[Charles Darwin|Darwin]] [[Evolution|Theory]] Is Proved True.” A leading British scientific journal chimed in:
:''The fossil human skull and mandible to be described by Mr. Charles Dawson and Dr. Arthur Smith Woodward at the Geological Society as we go to press is the most important discovery of its kind hitherto made in England. The specimen was found in circumstances which seem to leave no doubt of its geological age, and the characters it shows are themselves sufficient to denote its extreme antiquity.''<ref>''[[Nature (journal)|Nature]]'', December 19, 1912, pg. 438; article “[[Paleolithic Age|Paleolithic]] Man”</ref>

Its "extreme antiquity" was thought to have been between 400,000-500,000 years ago, based on the animal teeth found with the remains. The result of their deductions wasn't just scientific excitement; it was national pride. [[Germany]] had [[Heidelberg Man]], the [[Indonesia|Dutch East Indies]] had [[Homo erectus|Java Man]]; in the announcing of Piltdown Man, the British Isles could lay claim to the first Englishman.<ref>http://www.bradburyac.mistral.co.uk/tenness5.html</ref> In gratitude to its discoverer, evolutionary scientists give it a formal name: ''Eoanthropus dawsoni'' - "Dawson's dawn man".

==Questions begin==
[[Image:piltdownman_quennell_1922.png|thumb|right|200px|A rendering of "Piltdown Man", already entrenched in scientific literature in 1922.]]
Doubts about the veracity of the Piltdown man remains began almost immediately. In contrast to the British, French and American scientists were more reserved, despite fragments of a second Piltdown man announced in 1917 which convinced many more of the fossil's authenticity. Dawson's death the previous year was an additional aid to Piltdown. But placing the fragments together in the shape of a skull created more problems than it solved. The upper portion was not just lacking the brow ridges they thought should be there, as in the Neanderthal; it was very-much modern human. The surviving portion of the mandible was missing its chin and the condyle - the portion of the jaw which directly attaches to the skull. It was further pointed out that the large size of the bone and two molars was too similar to that of an ape. Placing it with evolutionary lines was difficult, and as new discoveries were made in the next few decades, it became harder for evolutionary scientists to place Piltdown man anywhere on the family tree; most would just leave it out.

In 1922 evolutionist William King Gregory stated in a highly technical book<ref>[http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC03040525&id=EyF3qtMDRlgC&pg=RA2-PA351 ''The Origin and Evolution of the Human Dentition''], William King Gregory, 1922, p. 351.</ref> that he published doubts, shared by colleagues, in 1914 about whether the jaw and teeth were associated with the braincase. Gregory stated in the article that someone at the British Museum had confided to him that "a negro skull and a broken ape jaw" had been "artificially fossilized" and "planted in the gravel bed to fool the scientists." However, a book published at the same time and aimed at the popular market was depicting elaborate speculation about the daily life of Piltdown Man, giving him the tools that were found in the gravel bed. <ref>[http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC02561355&id=L0sDgL6sPh4C&pg=RA1-PR51 ''Everyday Life in the Old Stone Age''], Charles Henry Bourne Quennell, 1922, p. 51.</ref> Yet despite the early criticism, Piltdown Man continued to be taught children in school, such as in the textbook ''[[A Civic Biology]]'', at issue in the [[Scopes trial]] of 1927. Dr. Woodward for his part believed in its authenticity so strongly that when he retired he purchased a home near the gravel pit and spent the remainder of his summers excavating. <ref>Feder, Kenneth R. ''Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries''; New York: McGraw-Hill, 2008 (pg. 91)</ref>

==Finding of fraud==
The date first assigned to the bones was never based on the bones at all, but rather were based on testing of older material found nearby. This is partially due to the fact that modern dating techniques, like the [[Fluorine Absorption test]], were not yet invented (and indeed, when they were, proved essential to Piltdown man's downfall<ref>[http://www.palarch.nl/NorthWestEurope/nweur_2006_1_1.pdf Annotated Biblography of the Piltdown Man Forgery]</ref>). Like similar artifacts purporting to prove evolution today, there was no independent or public scrutiny of the actual materials.

In 1950 British scientists Joseph S. Weiner, Wilfrid E. Le Gros Clark, Kenneth P. Oakley, and others had carried out the fluorine method of dating on the remains, testing for fluorine, nitrogen, and uranium. As controls, they used a mammoth molar found at the site and fresh bone from a recently-slaughtered cow.

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The results had shown the Piltdown bones were not only considerably younger geologically than the Lower and Middle [[Pleistocene]] fossils said to have been found at the same site, but in fact they were less than 500 years old. The cranium came from a man who died in the Medieval period, while the jaw fragment came from an orangutan (''Pongo abelii'') less than 200 hundred years old; this ape was determined to have died at the age of ten.<ref>http://www.clarku.edu/~piltdown/map_expose/radioactivedating_piltdown.html</ref><ref>http://www.clarku.edu/~piltdown/map_gen_hist_surveys/piltman_oaklywiener.html</ref> Only then did [[evolutionists]] admit that they had been teaching a [[Scientific fraud|fraud]].
{{Creation vs. evolution}}

== External Links ==
*[http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/1124piltdown.asp The Piltdown Man Fraud by Dr A J Monty White]

==References==
<references/>

[[Category: Evolution]]
[[Category: Theory of Evolution and Cases of Fraud, Hoaxes and Speculation]]

Talk:Bestiality

2011-09-28T15:26:35Z

ThomasMacD: /* US law */

No need to be lurid; the quote already provides as much of a definition as we need "[[molest]]ing animals". --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 10:24, 20 January 2010 (EST)

==Demography of this perversion==

The deleted reference mentioned that this perversion is "extremely rare". It also briefly mentioned a write-in campaign promoting the idea that "highly educated professionals" engaged in the practice. But:

* Unfortunately, although intriguing, it was impossible to establish the veracity of most letters.

Please read articles before using them as sources. Often, buried in the details, you'll find a fact that disproves the point you were hoping to make with the source. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 15:43, 24 September 2011 (EDT)

== US law ==

Hey, I love your articles! Its great to see that idiot Myers on the spot as the true consequences of his religion are pointed out. Just one thing though. If I was you I'd take out the bit about US state law on bestiality. The reason is that its legal in 5 of the top 10 most Christian states but only in 4 of the 10 least Christian. I know that dont really mean anything but atheists could twist it and use it to attack you. Keep up the Lord's work! --[[User:LeonardS|LeonardS]] 18:44, 26 September 2011 (EDT)
:Oh yeah, that was the other thing. Its banned in Alaska already, has been for years. Its just that its in animal welfare law, not morality ones. Still banned though.

:p.s. I love your editing system. The shortcut buttons for refs etc are awesome. --[[User:LeonardS|LeonardS]] 18:52, 26 September 2011 (EDT)

::This appears to be correct: sexual conduct with an animal is illegal under Alaska legal code Title 11, Chapter 61, Section 140 6.A. The article, and the reference used in it, are incorrect. Also, Montana and North Carolina have removed their bans on bestiality. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 11:26, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Atheism and bestiality

2011-09-28T15:18:34Z

ThomasMacD:

Britain and morality

2011-09-28T15:13:29Z

ThomasMacD: Not relevant to the UK and already included in other articles.

[[Image:Hitchens,_Stanford.jpg‎ |right|thumb|170px|[[Christopher Hitchens]] is an outspoken [[atheism|atheist]] in Britain.]]
In 2011 and in recent years, there have been number of reports on the decline of morality in [[Britain]].<ref>
*[http://creation.com/britain-needs-god ''Britain needs God'' - Creation Ministries International]
*[http://creation.com/lying-as-survival-strategy ''Why is England burning? by Creation Ministries International'']
*[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8695318/UK-riots-David-Cameron-promises-to-restore-sense-of-morality-as-police-get-new-powers.html UK riots: David Cameron promises to restore 'sense of morality' as police get new powers]
*[http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Article.aspx?id=171651 British morality, Jerusalem Post, 03/24/2010]
*[http://www.socialaffairsunit.org.uk/blog/archives/000237.php The Strange Death of Moral Britain by Christie Davies]
*[http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/economy-lab/carl-mortished/uk-welfare-plan-saves-money-but-morally-bankrupt/article1790653/ U.K. welfare plan: Saves money, but morally bankrupt, Globe and Mail,Nov. 09, 2010 by Carl Mortished]</ref> [[Peter Hitchens]] is the [[ex-atheists|ex-atheist]] brother of atheist [[Christopher Hitchens]]. In an article entitled ''Britain Needs God'' [[Creation Ministries International]] declared:
{{cquote|Peter also wrote of what he saw as the growing public discourtesy and incivility in [[Britain]]. When he returned to [[London]], after a five-year absence, he was shocked by the decline in people’s behaviour. He commented, “The rapid vanishing of [[Christianity]] from public consciousness and life, as the last fully [[Christian]] generation ages and disappears, seems to me to be a major part of it. I do not think I would have been half so shocked by the squalor and rudeness of 1990 [[Moscow]], if I had not come from a country where Christian forbearance was still well-established. If I had then been able to see the London of 2010, I would have been equally shocked.” In many respects, Peter’s book is a warning to people, as to the kind of society they can expect if they continue to reject Christian beliefs.<ref>[http://creation.com/britain-needs-god ''Britain needs God'']</ref>}}

In an article entitled "Why is England Burning" [[Creation Ministries International]] wrote:
{{cquote|Few will have missed the shocking reports of the riots seen recently throughout [[England]]. Gangs of young adults and teenagers have been on the rampage, smashing windows, looting shops, and burning cars and warehouses. Even large deployments of police have been unable to contain them.

Many have been asking why all this is happening. Some reply that it is due to deep anger and frustration amongst youth, who feel they have no future, no possibility of getting a job and no stake in society. Others claim it is simply rebellion against authority and wanton criminality. Conservatives point to the disruption of family life, the promotion of single motherhood, the lack of discipline in schools and the ‘rights culture’. Liberals blame the lack of equality in society and say the answer lies in providing the young with more opportunities and better education. While there is some truth in all these views, they all fail to address the deeper issues and the true root cause of Britain’s moral and social decline.

What is happening in England is the inevitable consequence of a nation rejecting [[God]] and His [[Word]]. Instead of believing what God has said, people readily believe the modern academics and politicians, who assure us that the [[Bible]] is no more than a [http://creation.com/genesis-myth-or-history book of myths] and that we can forge a better society based on [[secularism]]. Accepting this view has led to there being no final authority, no absolute basis for [[moralit]]y and no clarity about who or what we are...

When I was at school in the 1960s and 1970s, the Christian thinking and values of previous generations were still evident. General behaviour, truthfulness and respect were still considered more important than academic or material success. This was based on the view that we were made in the image of God, and good character was necessary to preserve this...

In contrast to all this, much of today’s educational system places little if any value on such biblical ideas. This is not surprising; if even many church leaders claim Genesis is not real history, then original sin is but a myth. In fact, it is quite likely that the ‘progressive’ educationist will take a different view simply because they think that, if the Bible teaches something, it is probably wrong. The teachers know that they themselves lie, and the head teacher lies—so why should they expect their pupils not to lie? Indeed, a recent New Scientist article actually argued, from an [[evolution|evolutionary]] standpoint, that [http://creation.com/lying-as-survival-strategy lying in our personal, professional and social lives is a strategy for survival!] The objective of education is no longer to equip young people to serve in the community, but to maximize their ‘potential for self-fulfillment’. The great heroes of the modern age are not those who have sacrificially given themselves for others, but those who have fought for themselves and their ‘rights’. Humanists, in defiance of the true history in Genesis 3, assert the doctrine of the intrinsic goodness of humanity and see no need to teach right and wrong.<ref>[http://creation.com/lying-as-survival-strategy ''Why is England burning?'']</ref>}}

In August of 2011, the ''[[Baptist]] Bulletin'' reported:
{{cquote|Well-known columnist [[Cal Thomas]] has come out remarking that the recent race riots in Britain are indicative of tremendous spiritual problems, reports WORLDmag.com. Said Thomas: “Prime Minister [[David Cameron]] recalled Parliament from its summer session to discuss the situation and to present a ‘united’ front. But that, along with condemnations ‘in the strongest terms,’ won’t address the real problem, which many Britons may not wish to confront. The problem in Britain, and increasingly in America, is moral and spiritual, not economic and political. British history and values are no longer being adequately taught in the UK for fear a sense of super-nationalism might be conveyed. This at a time when no nation is to be considered superior to any other, a view expressed by President Obama. According to a 2007 research report on church attendance in the UK from Tearfund, a UK Christian relief and development agency, just ’15 percent of UK adults go to church at least once a month.’ BBC News reports that according to a 2001 Census survey, ‘a fifth of children are in lone-parent families . . . 91 percent of these families headed by mother’ and there is ‘a minority of married couples for the first time—45 percent of the population versus 64 percent in 1981.’ So when the government calls on parents to be more vigilant about the whereabouts of their teenagers, the likelihood there are enough stable two-parent households who care enough to do so is not encouraging.<ref>[http://baptistbulletin.org/?p=17677 Cause of Britain’s Race Riots “Moral and Spiritual”]</ref>}}

== Bestiality and godless Britain ==

''See also:'' [[Bestiality and Britain]]

On April 26, 2001, in an article entitled ''Swedes have more and more animal sex'' the Swedish news website Nettavision reported:
{{cquote|No one knows for sure how many animals that are abused, but a British study from 2001 indicates that every 20th dog or cat that receives treatment at veterinaries, the injuries are not a result of a direct accident, but the animal has been inflicted the injury as a result of a sexual assault.<ref>[http://pub.nettavisen.no/nettavisen/english/article177749.ece Swedes have more and more animal sex]</ref>}}

Bestiality has been illegal in the UK since at least 1533, and the law was renewed and clarified in 2003. Bestiality pornography has been illegal since 2008. The prevailing attitude in the UK is that bestiality is "extremely disturbing behaviour."<ref>http://pediaview.com/openpedia/Bestiality#Extent_of_occurrence</ref>

See also:

*[[Atheism and bestiality]]

*[[Evolutionary belief and bestiality]]

== See also ==

*[[Atheism and morality]]
*[[Atheism and deception]]
*[[Soviet Union and morality]]

== Notes ==
{{reflist|2}}
[[Category:United Kingdom]]
[[Category:Morality]]
[[Category:Bestiality]]

Britain and morality

2011-09-28T15:11:57Z

ThomasMacD:

[[Image:Hitchens,_Stanford.jpg‎ |right|thumb|170px|[[Christopher Hitchens]] is an outspoken [[atheism|atheist]] in Britain.]]
In 2011 and in recent years, there have been number of reports on the decline of morality in [[Britain]].<ref>
*[http://creation.com/britain-needs-god ''Britain needs God'' - Creation Ministries International]
*[http://creation.com/lying-as-survival-strategy ''Why is England burning? by Creation Ministries International'']
*[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8695318/UK-riots-David-Cameron-promises-to-restore-sense-of-morality-as-police-get-new-powers.html UK riots: David Cameron promises to restore 'sense of morality' as police get new powers]
*[http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Article.aspx?id=171651 British morality, Jerusalem Post, 03/24/2010]
*[http://www.socialaffairsunit.org.uk/blog/archives/000237.php The Strange Death of Moral Britain by Christie Davies]
*[http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/economy-lab/carl-mortished/uk-welfare-plan-saves-money-but-morally-bankrupt/article1790653/ U.K. welfare plan: Saves money, but morally bankrupt, Globe and Mail,Nov. 09, 2010 by Carl Mortished]</ref> [[Peter Hitchens]] is the [[ex-atheists|ex-atheist]] brother of atheist [[Christopher Hitchens]]. In an article entitled ''Britain Needs God'' [[Creation Ministries International]] declared:
{{cquote|Peter also wrote of what he saw as the growing public discourtesy and incivility in [[Britain]]. When he returned to [[London]], after a five-year absence, he was shocked by the decline in people’s behaviour. He commented, “The rapid vanishing of [[Christianity]] from public consciousness and life, as the last fully [[Christian]] generation ages and disappears, seems to me to be a major part of it. I do not think I would have been half so shocked by the squalor and rudeness of 1990 [[Moscow]], if I had not come from a country where Christian forbearance was still well-established. If I had then been able to see the London of 2010, I would have been equally shocked.” In many respects, Peter’s book is a warning to people, as to the kind of society they can expect if they continue to reject Christian beliefs.<ref>[http://creation.com/britain-needs-god ''Britain needs God'']</ref>}}

In an article entitled "Why is England Burning" [[Creation Ministries International]] wrote:
{{cquote|Few will have missed the shocking reports of the riots seen recently throughout [[England]]. Gangs of young adults and teenagers have been on the rampage, smashing windows, looting shops, and burning cars and warehouses. Even large deployments of police have been unable to contain them.

Many have been asking why all this is happening. Some reply that it is due to deep anger and frustration amongst youth, who feel they have no future, no possibility of getting a job and no stake in society. Others claim it is simply rebellion against authority and wanton criminality. Conservatives point to the disruption of family life, the promotion of single motherhood, the lack of discipline in schools and the ‘rights culture’. Liberals blame the lack of equality in society and say the answer lies in providing the young with more opportunities and better education. While there is some truth in all these views, they all fail to address the deeper issues and the true root cause of Britain’s moral and social decline.

What is happening in England is the inevitable consequence of a nation rejecting [[God]] and His [[Word]]. Instead of believing what God has said, people readily believe the modern academics and politicians, who assure us that the [[Bible]] is no more than a [http://creation.com/genesis-myth-or-history book of myths] and that we can forge a better society based on [[secularism]]. Accepting this view has led to there being no final authority, no absolute basis for [[moralit]]y and no clarity about who or what we are...

When I was at school in the 1960s and 1970s, the Christian thinking and values of previous generations were still evident. General behaviour, truthfulness and respect were still considered more important than academic or material success. This was based on the view that we were made in the image of God, and good character was necessary to preserve this...

In contrast to all this, much of today’s educational system places little if any value on such biblical ideas. This is not surprising; if even many church leaders claim Genesis is not real history, then original sin is but a myth. In fact, it is quite likely that the ‘progressive’ educationist will take a different view simply because they think that, if the Bible teaches something, it is probably wrong. The teachers know that they themselves lie, and the head teacher lies—so why should they expect their pupils not to lie? Indeed, a recent New Scientist article actually argued, from an [[evolution|evolutionary]] standpoint, that [http://creation.com/lying-as-survival-strategy lying in our personal, professional and social lives is a strategy for survival!] The objective of education is no longer to equip young people to serve in the community, but to maximize their ‘potential for self-fulfillment’. The great heroes of the modern age are not those who have sacrificially given themselves for others, but those who have fought for themselves and their ‘rights’. Humanists, in defiance of the true history in Genesis 3, assert the doctrine of the intrinsic goodness of humanity and see no need to teach right and wrong.<ref>[http://creation.com/lying-as-survival-strategy ''Why is England burning?'']</ref>}}

In August of 2011, the ''[[Baptist]] Bulletin'' reported:
{{cquote|Well-known columnist [[Cal Thomas]] has come out remarking that the recent race riots in Britain are indicative of tremendous spiritual problems, reports WORLDmag.com. Said Thomas: “Prime Minister [[David Cameron]] recalled Parliament from its summer session to discuss the situation and to present a ‘united’ front. But that, along with condemnations ‘in the strongest terms,’ won’t address the real problem, which many Britons may not wish to confront. The problem in Britain, and increasingly in America, is moral and spiritual, not economic and political. British history and values are no longer being adequately taught in the UK for fear a sense of super-nationalism might be conveyed. This at a time when no nation is to be considered superior to any other, a view expressed by President Obama. According to a 2007 research report on church attendance in the UK from Tearfund, a UK Christian relief and development agency, just ’15 percent of UK adults go to church at least once a month.’ BBC News reports that according to a 2001 Census survey, ‘a fifth of children are in lone-parent families . . . 91 percent of these families headed by mother’ and there is ‘a minority of married couples for the first time—45 percent of the population versus 64 percent in 1981.’ So when the government calls on parents to be more vigilant about the whereabouts of their teenagers, the likelihood there are enough stable two-parent households who care enough to do so is not encouraging.<ref>[http://baptistbulletin.org/?p=17677 Cause of Britain’s Race Riots “Moral and Spiritual”]</ref>}}

== Bestiality and godless Britain ==

''See also:'' [[Bestiality and Britain]]

On April 26, 2001, in an article entitled ''Swedes have more and more animal sex'' the Swedish news website Nettavision reported:
{{cquote|No one knows for sure how many animals that are abused, but a British study from 2001 indicates that every 20th dog or cat that receives treatment at veterinaries, the injuries are not a result of a direct accident, but the animal has been inflicted the injury as a result of a sexual assault.<ref>[http://pub.nettavisen.no/nettavisen/english/article177749.ece Swedes have more and more animal sex]</ref>}}

Bestiality has been illegal in the UK since at least 1533, and the law was renewed and clarified in 2003. Bestiality pornography has been illegal since 2008. The prevailing attitude in the UK is that bestiality is "extremely disturbing behaviour."<ref>http://pediaview.com/openpedia/Bestiality#Extent_of_occurrence</ref>

See also:

*[[Atheism and bestiality]]

*[[Evolutionary belief and bestiality]]

== Bible on bestiality and study on bestiality ==
The Bible says that bestiality is a perversion and, under the [[Old Testament]] [[Pentateuch|Jewish Law]], punishable by death (Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 18:23, Leviticus 20:15 and Deuteronomy 27:21). The atheistic worldview does not lend itself to the establishment of morality within society and individuals (see: [[Atheism and morality]] and [[Atheism and deception]]).

A study found that "Psychiatric patients were found to have a statistically significant higher prevalence rate (55%) of bestiality than the control groups (10% and 15% respectively)."<ref>[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1778686 A prevalence study of bestiality (zoophilia) in psychiatric in-patients, medical in-patients, and psychiatric staff - Int J Psychosom. 1991;38(1-4):45-7.]</ref> The atheist population [[Atheism and suicide|has a higher suicide rate]] and [[Atheism and marriageability|lower marriage rates]] than the general population (see: [[Atheism and suicide]] and [[Atheism and marriageability]] and [[Atheism and health]]). In addition, ''[[Wired (magazine)|Wired]]'' magazine made the observation that atheists tend to be quarrelsome, socially challenged men.<ref>http://voxday.blogspot.com/2007/08/socially-autistic-atheist.html</ref>

== See also ==

*[[Atheism and morality]]
*[[Atheism and deception]]
*[[Soviet Union and morality]]

== Notes ==
{{reflist|2}}
[[Category:United Kingdom]]
[[Category:Morality]]
[[Category:Bestiality]]

Redshift

2011-09-28T14:55:07Z

ThomasMacD:

The '''redshift''' of a given object is a measure of the amount that the wavelength of its emitted or reflected electromagnetic radiation has increased. This increase in wavelength is due to the relative motion of a source with respect to an observer; a light emitting source moving away from an observer will have its spectrum shifted toward longer (in optical light, redder) wavelengths. In practice this is analogous to the Doppler shifting of sound waves emitted from a moving source. Light emitted from a source moving towards an observer will experience a blueshift. In the case of redshift, however, most of the redshift is believed to be due not to the object moving through space, but to the expansion of space itself.

== Support for the Big Bang theory ==

The Hubble redshift in absorption and emission lines in the spectra of distant cosmic objects, discovered by Edwin Hubble in 1929, is claimed as a source of evidence for the [[Big Bang theory]].<ref>Edwin Hubble (1929). [http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/15/3/168/ "A relation between distance and radial velocity among extra-galactic nebulae"]. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 15: 168–173.</ref> The redshift, the expanded wavelength of light, suggests that these objects are moving away from Earth due to the expansion of the universe. It also suggests that the universe is undergoing accelerating expansion for an unknown reason.

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Redshift

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The '''redshift''' of a given object is a measure of the amount that the wavelength of its emitted or reflected electromagnetic radiation has increased. This increase in wavelength is due to the relative motion of a source with respect to an observer; a light emitting source moving away from an observer will have its spectrum shifted toward longer (in optical light, redder) wavelengths. In practice this is analogous to the Doppler shifting of sound waves emitted from a moving source. Light emitted from a source moving towards an observer will experience a blueshift. In the case of redshift, however, most of the redshift is believed to be due not to the object moving through space, but to the expansion of space itself.

== Support for the Big Bang theory ==

The Hubble redshift in atomic spectra of distance cosmic objects, discovered by Edwin Hubble around 1929, is claimed as a source of evidence for the [[Big Bang theory]].<ref>Edwin Hubble (1929). [http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/15/3/168/ "A relation between distance and radial velocity among extra-galactic nebulae"]. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 15: 168–173.</ref> The redshift, the expanded wavelength of light, suggests that these objects are moving away from Earth due to the expansion of the universe. It also suggests that the universe is undergoing accelerating expansion for an unknown reason.

[[Category: Astronomy]]
[[Category: Cosmology]]
[[Category: Physics]]

==References==

<references/>

[[Category:Astronomy]]

Intrinsic redshift

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Hubble redshift

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