Talk:Evolutionary belief and bestiality

2012-05-22T01:47:31Z

Steven13:

'''This shouldn't even exist...'''

== 200 horses in Sweden ==

Do you have statistics from the US for comparison? [[User:BrentH|BrentH]] 20:38, 30 September 2011 (EDT)

== "...in wake of homosexual marriage being legalized in France." ==

Homosexuals are not allowed to legally marry in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:40, 7 October 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Atheism and bestiality

2012-05-22T01:46:00Z

Steven13:

'''This shouldn't even exist...'''

==I don't even know what to say about this article...==
I was going to leave Conservapedia but when I see this kind of article, I just can't. Conservative, do you know that you are becoming very offensive?<br/>
I heard that you were always eager to debate. I have a lot of questions about christianity & atheism that I would like to discuss. Would you be willing to answer my questions ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:56, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Is the reason why you don't know what to say about the [[Atheism and bestiality]] article is that I pick reputable sources plus have 6 pages of relevant information? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:06, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Then, would you accept my offer to debate ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== Absolutely revolting. Andy Schlafly, please put an end to this. ==

Disgusted. As a Christian I am reviled by this. There are no links that support what this Peter Singer said, merely heresy from another website which doesn't state its sources. Then it is taken to paint a group of people in the same stripe. Absolutely immoral, unsupported filth. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:14, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:What's next? '''''Atheism and mastur<nowiki />bation'''''? Oh wait, [[Conservapedia:Deletedpage|mastur<nowiki />bation]] is a naughty word - even the spam-filter doesn't like it. Bestiality should be added to the list! [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 17:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::Yeah this is really bad, not that anything else this user has done has been that much better. -1 for lack of fatty fat fat ad hominems and lack of bunny photos. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:20, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::: I suggest [[Atheism and Mass Murder]] or [[Atheism and evolutionary racism | Atheism and Racism]]. Oh wait, it already exists ! That's just great encyclopedic content ! And so objective by the way !--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 17:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::I saw your response and noticed that you started it off with "I suggest..." so I stopped reading it, but here's an article on flying cats instead. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:23, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::there is no support for this claim - this user is trolling. Lowering the tone immensely. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:24, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::User:conservative is trying too hard--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 18:32, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::It was incredibly easy to find 4 pages of relevant material on this topic. Given the depravity of atheism this is not entirely surprising. As far as what is next, I have not given the topic or timing of my next article on atheism although I have alluded to [[User talk:CamilleT|an upcoming article on atheism]] to a Conservapedian. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:11, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::That is wonderful, when shall we see it? And Conservative, you state that atheists are depraved. I personally know many atheists and none of them are depraved in any way you have implied. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 22:19, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::SeanS, it is just useless, for Conservative loves to make up a rule from 1 case...--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

==Support ?==
Conservative, could you please provide some support that Peter Singer defends the practice of bestiality ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 18:38, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::I cited a source plus in case you are forgetting you are on the information superhighway. I suggest going to a search engine and typing in the words Peter Singer. The reason I am taking you to task is that I think you are being lazy and/or contentious. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:01, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Please avoid being insulting, Conservative. I did actually googled it but I found nothing except from anti-atheists websites (like creation.com) which cannot really be considered as objective on this matter.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Please do not waste my time and second I don't believe you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:30, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Oh you're right, that's just a waste of time. I forgot that Conservapedia is not a democracy, it's all about aristocracy: the king Andy who rules his kingdom seconded by his lords. And when Lord Conservative speaks, no one may dare oppose him. Thanks for reminding me of this.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== Error ==

Where ever you copied this from, Conservative. There's a misplaced "2" in your Stalin paragraph (clearly should have been a reference).
There's also a typo in reference #11.
[[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 02:46, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Thanks, removed.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:28, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== To Aschlafly: Unprotect request ==

As it appears you believe this article adds to Conservapedia's value as an educational resource, can you please unprotect it - and make sure it '''stays''' unprotected - so that the entire CP community can help to improve it? Thanks. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 21:57, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

== Extension suggestion ==

Could someone add the passages of the Scripture regarding bestiality (Leviticus 18: v 23, Leviticus 20: v 15 and Deuteronomy 27: v 21)please?
I would also suggest an historic part about bestiality in Europe (for instance the story of ''Leda and the swan'' in ancient Greek mythology) and how the rise of christianity helped to rid Europe and the world of bestiality. Or would that be a stand-alone article? À Dieu --[[User:VPropp|VPropp]] 14:53, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

Added Bible versus. Second, please create a section/article here [[User: VProppand/atheism-bestiality-Europe]] and focus on how/why Christianity helped greatly reduce bestiality in Europe and then I can add it. Also, if there is somewhat of a resurgence in bestiality in a Europe that is less Christianized and you can document it in a non-salacious way, then do that too. Please make sure you use reputable sources (not salacious sources) and I would prefer no pictures. Indicate on this talk page when you are done. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:17, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
:::VPropp, here are sources that are interesting and it relates to history: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7858632 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19239958 Also, I can check back on this web page to see if you did the article. When should I check back? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:20, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

==Psst! I got a secret for you...==

As the author of this entry is quite fond of touting how prominently their articles show up in search results... one has to ask: why is [[User:Conservative]] purposely trying to undermine his/her own efforts? And by extension, Conservapedia as a whole? I am sure that the author of this very encyclopedic entry is well aware that most God fearing people enable the "Safe Search" feature so as not to be assaulted with any vile anti-Christian filth. Well guess what chief? With safe search on, the most popular search engine in the world filters out all pages containing the word ''bestiality''. So go right on adding that word to your feverish heart's content. But keep in mind that every page you pepper with your current favorite word, is another page that disappears from millions of search results. You're welcome. --[[User:SteveK|SteveK]] 22:51, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
::::You claim the article is anti-Christian, but you failed to show it. Seeing that the Bible mentions bestiality 4 times, I think you face an uphill battle in proving your claim. You are just upset because it shows atheists and secular societies in a bad light. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:06, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
::Who said I created this article to get web traffic? Second, are search engines the only way to get web traffic? I have found that cognitive flexibility and logical thinking are not strengths of many atheists. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:39, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::What do you think is better access than a search engine ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:28, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::All God fearing Christians use the GoodSearch search engine to rack up donations for their favorite Christian charities and [http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=atheism+and+bestiality as you can see for yourself] this article does quite well at Goodsearch. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:13, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::The what? Never 'eard of it, nor have my biblical literalist conservative god fearing parents, nor my biblical literalist conservative god fearing church. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 10:35, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::A Conservapedian told me about it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:56, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Anyways, it is a moot point. Most of the web traffic to the article is probably going to be caused by internal traffic from Conservapedia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

== For what it's worth ==

For what it's worth, I do think there is something of an omission in all these articles, which is any examples of atheists who have actually committed bestiality. It's mostly about them not condemning it, which is unbiblical, but which I think is just as likely to stem from naivety (not having thought a great deal about what the practice actually entails) as from depravity.

Can anyone suggest any prominent atheists who commit bestiality as well as condoning it?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:01, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

:Another thought: of course it's relevant to cite the Bible, but fully half of the verses that mention it (two) recommend the death penalty for bestialters. Should this be mentioned? Do any countries currently execute for this crime?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:15, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

::I can't find any examples. To be honest I wouldn't expect many people, atheists or otherwise, to go around condemning bestiality all the time. Constant condemnation of a pretty rare practice seems to imply that you're thinking about it to a degree that's not... entirely normal. Anyway I've lived in the UK for 40 years and the only time bestiality ever gets mentioned is when people make jokes about the Welsh, so it would be fair to say it's not a big social issue here. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 11:18, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::re: CPalmner's above comments: If someone wants to do research on the atheist Marquis de Sade and the Oxford nihilist A.C Swindburne that would be fine. Here is what I found: http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/swinburne/acsbio1.html [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:20, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Also, I seem to recall that Conservapedia has a list of atheist killers/serial killers and my guess is that some of them may have engaged in this act. Again, this would require more research. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:33, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::That link says nothing about de Sade practicing bestiality and only says that Swindburne circulated a story about it; it also points out that he frequently spread untrue stories about himself. This isn't evidence. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:35, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
Actually, I think the article says the Wilde accused him of spreading stories which is not the same thing. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::I know Jeffrey Dahmer was an evolutionist and he may have been an atheist. I don't know. He seems to have done evil things to animals but I don't know the specifics http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/03/john-coopes.html
:::::This website indicates that Jeffrey Dahmer was an atheist: http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/ If memory serves, I do realize he converted to Christianity in jail. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:43, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yes, but is there any evidence that Dahmer committed bestiality? --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:49, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::The fact is that both atheists and Christians practice bestiality (don't even get me started on muslims) and what we need is evidence that atheists are more likely to do so. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
I was very clear that I said I don't know and I only have a report he did evil things to animals. You seem awfully defensive. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:04, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:I'm not being defensive; I'm just suggesting that if we want to suggest a link between atheism and bestiality it would be nice to have evidence that a higher percentage of atheists than Christians commit it. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:07, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== "...in wake of homosexual marriage being legalized in France." ==

Homosexual marriage has not been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:39, 7 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Corrected. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:13, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::No it's not. There is still a section with a headline that says that homosexual marriage has been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:18, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:39, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

== Christian apologist William Lane Craig declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about ==

Christian apologist [[William Lane Craig]], who is considered of Christianity's foremost apologist, declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about.[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FofDChlSILU See Question and answer section of debate] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:31, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

== mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue ==

mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue, podcast: http://shockawenow.webs.com/apps/podcast/podcast/159439 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:07, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
::Debate was with agnostic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:48, 19 February 2012 (EST)

== Please delete this disgusting article ==

It has no place on any website, much less a website espousing Christian values and claiming to be a Trustworthy Encyclopedia. [[User:JasonV|JasonV]] 08:50, 28 April 2012 (EDT)

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