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		<title>Overrated Sports Stars</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-26T13:45:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;ScottK: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;The [[lamestream media]] like to promote athletes based not on skill, but for other reasons.  Here's a growing list of the most overrated sports stars (notice how none are on the list of [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Sports Stars|Greatest Conservative Sports Stars]]):&lt;br /&gt;
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#[[Andre Agassi]] &amp;amp;mdash; [[Pete Sampras]] was far better, but Sampras is [[conservative]].  Agassi is a big donor to [[Democrat]] politicians.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[David Beckham]] &amp;amp;mdash; far from the best, but promoted like he's [[Pele]].  Is Beckham socially [[liberal]] like some of the others on this list?&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Kobe Bryant]] &amp;amp;mdash; not as valuable to the game as [[Jeremy Lin]]; hasn't won a title without super-coaching by Phil Jackson, who observes that Kobe is not on the high level of [[Michael Jordan]];&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-03-14/phil-jackson-says-kobe-bryant-not-in-michael-jordans-company (&amp;quot;Stop comparing anyone to Michael Jordan. It's just not fair. He was remarkable.... (Kobe) doesn't shoot the same percentage (.455) as Michael (.497). He has the same characteristics as Michael, but he's not the same player. It takes nothing away from him — he's a great player in his own right.&amp;quot;)]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Kobe makes only 46% of his shots, and scores lots of points because he hogs the ball.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Sol Campbell]] &amp;amp;mdash; Is known to be sympathetic towards [[homosexual]] rights campaigners. During his England career they failed to win a single major tournament. While at Arsenal he failed to win the champions League, only ever making the final once and only won the Premier League a measly two times.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Wayne Gretzky]]&amp;amp;mdash; Was only able to win a Stanley Cup in one of the four cities in which he played; never won an Olympic medal, a World Championship, a World Junior Championship or a World Cup; inflated his points total with assists, relying on other players to actually score goals. Missed the playoffs each year he served as coach of the Phoenix Coyotes.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[LeBron James]] &amp;amp;mdash; 2012's NBA Finals MVP is far from the best player in the [[NBA]], he is way overrated by the liberal ESPN compared to Christian Kevin Durant&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Magic Johnson]] &amp;amp;mdash; lucky enough to play on [[Kareem Abdul-Jabbar]]'s Lakers to win some titles, but was crushed by [[Michael Jordan]] and the Bulls; no problem, Magic was a critic of President [[George H.W. Bush]], which thrilled liberals.&lt;br /&gt;
#*People look at him (a heterosexual male who had unprotected sex with numerous women), and say, 'Hey, it's OK to get HIV because I'm living with it.' That is the wrong message. [http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500202_162-57319698/20-years-since-magic-johnsons-hiv-stunner/]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Peyton Manning]] &amp;amp;mdash; a [[quarterback]] who won only one [[NFL]] championship, despite being voted by the media and others to be NFL MVP 4 times, AFC Player of the Year 6 times, and Pro Bowler 11 times.  The [[liberal media]] treated him like the Second Coming of [[Christ]] in order to oust [[conservative]] [[Tim Tebow]] from his leadership position in the [[swing state]] of [[Colorado]] prior to the [[Presidential Election 2012]].&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Steve Nash]] &amp;amp;mdash; an [http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2009/3/25/809516/steve-nash-on-media-bias-t outspoken liberal who supported Obama], Nash was chosen ''twice'' by the [[lamestream media]] as the [[NBA]] MVP despite never leading his team to even an NBA Finals&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Mark Sanchez]] &amp;amp;mdash; the [[New York Jets]] [[quarterback]] is being touted as the team's best QB over [[conservative]] [[Christian]] [[Tim Tebow]] despite falling apart at the end of the 2011–12 season. Now that Tebow's on-board, [[liberals]] are championing the former [[USC]] star as the superior player despite his recently poor play.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Tiger Woods]] &amp;amp;mdash; hasn't won a major golf tournament in four years, and yet he's still the only one liberals want to talk about while reporting on tournaments.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Years ago Woods, amid media hoopla, won the PGA Player of the Year a record ten times; Byron Nelson Award for lowest adjusted scoring average a record eight times; holds the record for leading the money list in nine different seasons; won 14 professional major golf championships, the second highest of any player, and 73 PGA Tour events, tied for 2nd all time; has more career major wins and career PGA Tour wins than any other active golfer; is the youngest player to achieve the career Grand Slam, and the youngest and fastest to win 50 tournaments; is only the second golfer to have achieved a career Grand Slam three times.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Michael Schumacher]] &amp;amp;mdash; has failed to perform after his return to [[Formula One]] racing and has been consistently outperformed by his teammate. His first podium finish since 2006 came only after many drivers in front of him retired from the race. Schumacher still receives generous media attention.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Donald Bradman]] &amp;amp;mdash; [[Australian]] [[cricket|cricketer]], often mentioned in the media yet has not achieved anything for decades. Also failed to score even six runs in his final innings&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Overrated Sports Stars</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-26T13:38:41Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;ScottK: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;The [[lamestream media]] like to promote athletes based not on skill, but for other reasons.  Here's a growing list of the most overrated sports stars (notice how none are on the list of [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Sports Stars|Greatest Conservative Sports Stars]]):&lt;br /&gt;
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#[[Andre Agassi]] &amp;amp;mdash; [[Pete Sampras]] was far better, but Sampras is [[conservative]].  Agassi is a big donor to [[Democrat]] politicians.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[David Beckham]] &amp;amp;mdash; far from the best, but promoted like he's [[Pele]].  Is Beckham socially [[liberal]] like some of the others on this list?&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Kobe Bryant]] &amp;amp;mdash; not as valuable to the game as [[Jeremy Lin]]; hasn't won a title without super-coaching by Phil Jackson, who observes that Kobe is not on the high level of [[Michael Jordan]];&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-03-14/phil-jackson-says-kobe-bryant-not-in-michael-jordans-company (&amp;quot;Stop comparing anyone to Michael Jordan. It's just not fair. He was remarkable.... (Kobe) doesn't shoot the same percentage (.455) as Michael (.497). He has the same characteristics as Michael, but he's not the same player. It takes nothing away from him — he's a great player in his own right.&amp;quot;)]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Kobe makes only 46% of his shots, and scores lots of points because he hogs the ball.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Sol Campbell]] &amp;amp;mdash; Is known to be sympathetic towards [[homosexual]] rights campaigners. During his England career they failed to win a single major tournament. While at Arsenal he failed to win the champions League, only ever making the final once and only won the Premier League a measly two times.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Wayne Gretzky]]&amp;amp;mdash; Was only able to win a Stanley Cup in one of the four cities in which he played; never won an Olympic medal, a World Championship, a World Junior Championship or a World Cup; inflated his points total with assists, relying on other players to actually score goals. Missed the playoffs each year he served as coach of the Phoenix Coyotes.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[LeBron James]] &amp;amp;mdash; 2012's NBA Finals MVP is far from the best player in the [[NBA]], he is way overrated by the liberal ESPN compared to Christian Kevin Durant&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Magic Johnson]] &amp;amp;mdash; lucky enough to play on [[Kareem Abdul-Jabbar]]'s Lakers to win some titles, but was crushed by [[Michael Jordan]] and the Bulls; no problem, Magic was a critic of President [[George H.W. Bush]], which thrilled liberals.&lt;br /&gt;
#*People look at him (a heterosexual male who had unprotected sex with numerous women), and say, 'Hey, it's OK to get HIV because I'm living with it.' That is the wrong message. [http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500202_162-57319698/20-years-since-magic-johnsons-hiv-stunner/]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Peyton Manning]] &amp;amp;mdash; a [[quarterback]] who won only one [[NFL]] championship, despite being voted by the media and others to be NFL MVP 4 times, AFC Player of the Year 6 times, and Pro Bowler 11 times.  The [[liberal media]] treated him like the Second Coming of [[Christ]] in order to oust [[conservative]] [[Tim Tebow]] from his leadership position in the [[swing state]] of [[Colorado]] prior to the [[Presidential Election 2012]].&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Steve Nash]] &amp;amp;mdash; an [http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2009/3/25/809516/steve-nash-on-media-bias-t outspoken liberal who supported Obama], Nash was chosen ''twice'' by the [[lamestream media]] as the [[NBA]] MVP despite never leading his team to even an NBA Finals&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Mark Sanchez]] &amp;amp;mdash; the [[New York Jets]] [[quarterback]] is being touted as the team's best QB over [[conservative]] [[Christian]] [[Tim Tebow]] despite falling apart at the end of the 2011–12 season. Now that Tebow's on-board, [[liberals]] are championing the former [[USC]] star as the superior player despite his recently poor play.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Tiger Woods]] &amp;amp;mdash; hasn't won a major golf tournament in four years, and yet he's still the only one liberals want to talk about while reporting on tournaments.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Years ago Woods, amid media hoopla, won the PGA Player of the Year a record ten times; Byron Nelson Award for lowest adjusted scoring average a record eight times; holds the record for leading the money list in nine different seasons; won 14 professional major golf championships, the second highest of any player, and 73 PGA Tour events, tied for 2nd all time; has more career major wins and career PGA Tour wins than any other active golfer; is the youngest player to achieve the career Grand Slam, and the youngest and fastest to win 50 tournaments; is only the second golfer to have achieved a career Grand Slam three times.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Michael Schumacher]] &amp;amp;mdash; has failed to perform after his return to [[Formula One]] racing and has been consistently outperformed by his teammate. His first podium finish since 2006 came only after many drivers in front of him retired from the race. Schumacher still receives generous media attention.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Overrated Sports Stars</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-26T13:35:50Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;ScottK: /* Tiger Woods? */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Some issues with this list ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I see some issues with this list; as an avid follower of basketball and football, I will attempt to rebut some of the claims made in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Kobe Bryant (who the article says has not won a championship except under the coaching of Phil Jackson) has played 11 of his 16 seasons under Jackson. He was not the leader of the Lakers his first 3 seasons (that would be Shaq) and was only 17 when he was drafted, so let's write those off. Since then, he played one season (in which he was injured) under Rudy Tomjanovich, and one under Mike Brown. Hardly a large sample size. Say whatever you'd like about him, but he won two championships as the leader of the Lakers without Shaq, lifting an average supporting cast. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Bryant couldn't win after Jackson left.  Enough said.  Jackson has a phenomenal record of winning championships no matter whom he's coaching.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:01, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Jackson's been gone for ONE season. One. That is nowhere near a reliable sample size. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::For what it's worth, Michael Jordan never won a title without Phil Jackson either.  I hardly think that takes away from his accomplishments.  --[[User:Krayner|Krayner]] 10:53, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Magic Johnson is one of the greatest, most versatile players in NBA history, and turned in the greatest Finals performance ever (Game 6 in 1980, when he had 42 points and 15 rebounds in plaee of the injured Kareem at center...as a ROOKIE). Basketball is a team sport and it is rarely fair to attribute most or all of a team's success to one player (although in rare cases that may be done, like Kobe post-Shaq); calling those teams Kareem's is patently false. They belonged to Kareem, Magic, James Worthy, Michael Cooper, Kurt Rambis, and every other player. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::What was Magic's shooting percentage???  Look, Magic with good teammates had trouble beating Bird with nobodys as teammates for the NCAA championship, and Michael Jordan nearly swept Magic when they finally met in an NBA finals.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:01, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Magic primarily played point guard, a position that places much more emphasis on passing. The fact that he averaged 18-20 points a game is a testament to his offensive ability. And of course Jordan is better, he's the best player of all time. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Magic shot 52% for his career, an absurdly high number for a point guard, and he is almost without dispute, the greatest point guard in NBA history.  He won multiple titles by beating Bird's Celtics in the NBA.--[[User:Krayner|Krayner]] 10:57, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The relevant questions are (1) is he rated higher than someone else who's actually better? and (2) is this because of some liberal ideological reason, such as promoting the gay lobby's contention that [[AIDS is not a gay disease]]? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 11:12, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Obviously there is no entirely unquestioned ranking of NBA players, but Magic Johnson is rightly regarded as one of the 2 or 3 greatest point guards ever and one of the top 12-15 players ever. And his ranking has nothing to do with politics, and Johnson is not homosexual. He contracted HIV through unprotected sex with a woman. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 11:47, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*LeBron James (who by any stretch is NOT &amp;quot;far from the best&amp;quot; in the NBA) is certainly one of the top 5 players in the NBA today.  And this &amp;quot;overrating&amp;quot; by the media...LeBron has been the villain of the media narrative for the last 2 years since he joined Miami. Do you even wtach ESPN? And Durant is not underrated in the least; again, the media narrative is that he and the Thunder will be contending for a spot in the Finals for years to come (which they will). Plus, he went to a Catholic school. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::LeBron wasn't my addition but the hype for him seems a bit much.  Perhaps his unusual name helps.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:01, 24 June 2012 (EDT)\&lt;br /&gt;
:::How does his name impact anything at all? [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Steve Nash and his 2 MVPs...does the phrase &amp;quot;Most Valuable Player&amp;quot; mean anything? It is awarded to the player judged to be most valuable to his team. Not the best player on the best team...the player most important to his team's success. And Nash was certainly the most valuable to the Suns those years considering his supporting cast. Nash is an extremely inventive, creative point guard and the ultimate team player. Plus, he produced a documentary about famed conservative runner Terry Fox. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::MVP is by popular vote by ... the [[lamestream media]].  It's like the Academy Awards and Nobel Prize -- being liberal is worth more than being talented.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:01, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::NBA MVPs will always more likely be liberal because the league is so heavily black. For comparison, let's look at the last 20 NFL MVPs (awarded by an AP poll of &amp;quot;liberal media&amp;quot;, as you would call them). Republican Favre thrice, Steve Young (a relative of Brigham Young, for crying out loud) twice, Manning 4 times, Christian Aaron Rodgers once, outspoken Christian Kurt Warner twice...that's 60% of the MVPs from 1992-2011. Clearly your argument fails. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Peyton Manning...the MVP stuff from above holds true in the NFL. Yes, he won 1 Super Bowl, but he made another and had to deal with the Steelers and Patriots in the AFC (hardly weak competition). He is one of the smartest football minds to ever play the game, and no serious football analyst would claim he was a downgrade from Tebow. Not one. And he's a Republican.&lt;br /&gt;
::The maneuver to replace Tebow with Peyton in a [[swing state]] in an election year is transparent, wouldn't you say?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:01, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::...so John Elway, a Republican, apparently isn't concerned with his team primarily and traded his Republican starting QB once he acquired an even better Republican quarterback? Your argument makes no sense. Elway is a Republican but not a national political figure. None of this has anything to do with politics. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: So anything that occurs in a [[swing state]] during an election year is a political maneuver? Well, it rained today in Florida. Clearly a plot by Obama to gather more votes. --[[User:MatthewQ|MatthewQ]] 14:12, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::: I wasn't being entirely serious with my &amp;quot;wouldn't you say?&amp;quot; comment above, but even some jokes can carry a germ of truth.  Colorado is very polarized politically and ideologically, as a swing state, and there was pressure to find a substitute who could serve as a plausible reason to trade Tebow away.  Florida is not as much of a [[swing state]] as Colorado, and rain is not the result of political pressure!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:13, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::: If you weren't being entirely serious then why did you write the thing about Tebow being traded from a swing state during an election year in the article?! Or is Conservapedia openly a satire site now? (Many people seem to think it is one.) Anyway, the evidence that political pressure having anything to do with Tebow being trade is just as strong as political pressure being responsible for the rain.  --[[User:MatthewQ|MatthewQ]] 16:40, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::The entry is obviously about the ''hype'', the ''overrated'' aspect.  Peyton Manning was overrated earlier this year in connection with replacing Tebow.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:44, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::How exactly was Manning overrated in this case? Please tell me using your knowledge of football, not your political views. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:05, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Mark Sanchez...say what you will, but he's been to 2 AFC Championship games, Tebow none. I will acknowledge his below average play last season (I'm not the biggest fan of him) but it would be suicidal for Rex Ryan to bench him in favor of a new acquisition who completed 46% of his passes last season. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not my addition, but I bet Tebow is replacing him by mid-season, but the replacement should occur before the first regular season game, if it weren't for liberal politics.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:01, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Please tell me specifically how &amp;quot;liberal politics&amp;quot; is keeping Sanchez as the starter, and use your knowlege of football to tell me why Tebow would be a better starter than Sanchez. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Becks ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I follow US soccer closely and have never seen David Beckham promoted as he is Pele. He is one of the best, probably top 3, free kick takers to have played the sport. This is shown by his stats. I don't see how he is overrated when he actually is a fantastic athlete. He has six Premier League titles, 2 FA Cup titles, 4 FA community shields, 2 MLS supporters shields , an MLS Cup.. the list goes on and on (that doesn't include lengthy list of personal honors he has received.) I am seriously curious as to how he is overrated. --[[User:DanJG|DanJG]] 13:25, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:With respect, I think you are missing the point.  This list has nothing to do with sporting achievements.  Rather it has to do with whether the athletes involved are deserving of the praise they receive.  Beckham, due to his promotion of [[Hollywood Values]] does not deserve the accolades he has acquired.  --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 09:07, 26 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Athletes should be praised, or criticized, for the job they do on whatever sporting field they participate in - that's their job, and that's how they should be rated. Period. Everything else is just petty gossipmongering. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 09:18, 26 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Quick question about standards... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are these athletes overrated based on their entire career, or just based on the last years of it, as they age and their skills fade due to injuries and/or age? Truly, the only ''fair'' way to judge someone is based on the entirety of their career, as objectively as possible. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 14:47, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Tiger Woods? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I know that Tiger Woods is not well liked and that people here enjoy seeing him fail, but his achievements still place him in the upper echelons of golfers for all time&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes, he merits a place on the all-time list, but he is no longer one of the very top golfers currently playing. Yet the media still claim that he is one of the favorites, or &amp;quot;can't be written off&amp;quot;, going into each big tournament, at the expense of giving coverage to other players who actually have a much better chance.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 09:23, 26 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::So, is it a terrible thing to root for someone who was once on top of their game, but now is struggling? Isn't that what all of us do in our daily lives - struggle? Should we sneer at others when they go through something difficult, or should we show support? --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 09:32, 26 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Ok I understand. Based on that outline I've added Michael Schumacher&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Overrated_Sports_Stars&amp;diff=989770</id>
		<title>Overrated Sports Stars</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-26T13:33:54Z</updated>

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&lt;div&gt;The [[lamestream media]] like to promote athletes based not on skill, but for other reasons.  Here's a growing list of the most overrated sports stars (notice how none are on the list of [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Sports Stars|Greatest Conservative Sports Stars]]):&lt;br /&gt;
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#[[Andre Agassi]] &amp;amp;mdash; [[Pete Sampras]] was far better, but Sampras is [[conservative]].  Agassi is a big donor to [[Democrat]] politicians.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[David Beckham]] &amp;amp;mdash; far from the best, but promoted like he's [[Pele]].  Is Beckham socially [[liberal]] like some of the others on this list?&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Kobe Bryant]] &amp;amp;mdash; hasn't won a title without super-coaching by Phil Jackson, who observes that Kobe is not on the high level of [[Michael Jordan]];&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-03-14/phil-jackson-says-kobe-bryant-not-in-michael-jordans-company (&amp;quot;Stop comparing anyone to Michael Jordan. It's just not fair. He was remarkable.... (Kobe) doesn't shoot the same percentage (.455) as Michael (.497). He has the same characteristics as Michael, but he's not the same player. It takes nothing away from him — he's a great player in his own right.&amp;quot;)]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Kobe makes only 46% of his shots, and scores lots of points because he hogs the ball.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Sol Campbell]] &amp;amp;mdash; Is known to be sympathetic towards [[homosexual]] rights campaigners. During his England career they failed to win a single major tournament. While at Arsenal he failed to win the champions League, only ever making the final once and only won the Premier League a measly two times.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Wayne Gretzky]]&amp;amp;mdash; Was only able to win a Stanley Cup in one of the four cities in which he played; never won an Olympic medal, a World Championship, a World Junior Championship or a World Cup; inflated his points total with assists, relying on other players to actually score goals. Missed the playoffs each year he served as coach of the Phoenix Coyotes.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[LeBron James]] &amp;amp;mdash; 2012's NBA Finals MVP is far from the best player in the [[NBA]], he is way overrated by the liberal ESPN compared to Christian Kevin Durant&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Magic Johnson]] &amp;amp;mdash; lucky enough to play on [[Kareem Abdul-Jabbar]]'s Lakers to win some titles, but was crushed by [[Michael Jordan]] and the Bulls; no problem, Magic was a critic of President [[George H.W. Bush]], which thrilled liberals.&lt;br /&gt;
#*People look at him (a heterosexual male who had unprotected sex with numerous women), and say, 'Hey, it's OK to get HIV because I'm living with it.' That is the wrong message. [http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500202_162-57319698/20-years-since-magic-johnsons-hiv-stunner/]&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Peyton Manning]] &amp;amp;mdash; a [[quarterback]] who won only one [[NFL]] championship, despite being voted by the media and others to be NFL MVP 4 times, AFC Player of the Year 6 times, and Pro Bowler 11 times.  The [[liberal media]] treated him like the Second Coming of [[Christ]] in order to oust [[conservative]] [[Tim Tebow]] from his leadership position in the [[swing state]] of [[Colorado]] prior to the [[Presidential Election 2012]].&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Steve Nash]] &amp;amp;mdash; an [http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2009/3/25/809516/steve-nash-on-media-bias-t outspoken liberal who supported Obama], Nash was chosen ''twice'' by the [[lamestream media]] as the [[NBA]] MVP despite never leading his team to even an NBA Finals&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Mark Sanchez]] &amp;amp;mdash; the [[New York Jets]] [[quarterback]] is being touted as the team's best QB over [[conservative]] [[Christian]] [[Tim Tebow]] despite falling apart at the end of the 2011–12 season. Now that Tebow's on-board, [[liberals]] are championing the former [[USC]] star as the superior player despite his recently poor play.&lt;br /&gt;
#[[Tiger Woods]] &amp;amp;mdash; hasn't won a major golf tournament in four years, and yet he's still the only one liberals want to talk about while reporting on tournaments.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Years ago Woods, amid media hoopla, won the PGA Player of the Year a record ten times; Byron Nelson Award for lowest adjusted scoring average a record eight times; holds the record for leading the money list in nine different seasons; won 14 professional major golf championships, the second highest of any player, and 73 PGA Tour events, tied for 2nd all time; has more career major wins and career PGA Tour wins than any other active golfer; is the youngest player to achieve the career Grand Slam, and the youngest and fastest to win 50 tournaments; is only the second golfer to have achieved a career Grand Slam three times.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
#Michael Schumacher &amp;amp;mdash; has failed to perform after his return to formula 1 and has been consistently outperformed by his teammate. His first podium finish since 2006 came only after many drivers in front of him retired from the race. Schumacher still receives generous media attention&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Overrated Sports Stars</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;ScottK: /* Tiger Woods? */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Some issues with this list ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I see some issues with this list; as an avid follower of basketball and football, I will attempt to rebut some of the claims made in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Kobe Bryant (who the article says has not won a championship except under the coaching of Phil Jackson) has played 11 of his 16 seasons under Jackson. He was not the leader of the Lakers his first 3 seasons (that would be Shaq) and was only 17 when he was drafted, so let's write those off. Since then, he played one season (in which he was injured) under Rudy Tomjanovich, and one under Mike Brown. Hardly a large sample size. Say whatever you'd like about him, but he won two championships as the leader of the Lakers without Shaq, lifting an average supporting cast. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Bryant couldn't win after Jackson left.  Enough said.  Jackson has a phenomenal record of winning championships no matter whom he's coaching.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:01, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Jackson's been gone for ONE season. One. That is nowhere near a reliable sample size. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::For what it's worth, Michael Jordan never won a title without Phil Jackson either.  I hardly think that takes away from his accomplishments.  --[[User:Krayner|Krayner]] 10:53, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Magic Johnson is one of the greatest, most versatile players in NBA history, and turned in the greatest Finals performance ever (Game 6 in 1980, when he had 42 points and 15 rebounds in plaee of the injured Kareem at center...as a ROOKIE). Basketball is a team sport and it is rarely fair to attribute most or all of a team's success to one player (although in rare cases that may be done, like Kobe post-Shaq); calling those teams Kareem's is patently false. They belonged to Kareem, Magic, James Worthy, Michael Cooper, Kurt Rambis, and every other player. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::What was Magic's shooting percentage???  Look, Magic with good teammates had trouble beating Bird with nobodys as teammates for the NCAA championship, and Michael Jordan nearly swept Magic when they finally met in an NBA finals.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:01, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Magic primarily played point guard, a position that places much more emphasis on passing. The fact that he averaged 18-20 points a game is a testament to his offensive ability. And of course Jordan is better, he's the best player of all time. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Magic shot 52% for his career, an absurdly high number for a point guard, and he is almost without dispute, the greatest point guard in NBA history.  He won multiple titles by beating Bird's Celtics in the NBA.--[[User:Krayner|Krayner]] 10:57, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The relevant questions are (1) is he rated higher than someone else who's actually better? and (2) is this because of some liberal ideological reason, such as promoting the gay lobby's contention that [[AIDS is not a gay disease]]? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 11:12, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Obviously there is no entirely unquestioned ranking of NBA players, but Magic Johnson is rightly regarded as one of the 2 or 3 greatest point guards ever and one of the top 12-15 players ever. And his ranking has nothing to do with politics, and Johnson is not homosexual. He contracted HIV through unprotected sex with a woman. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 11:47, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*LeBron James (who by any stretch is NOT &amp;quot;far from the best&amp;quot; in the NBA) is certainly one of the top 5 players in the NBA today.  And this &amp;quot;overrating&amp;quot; by the media...LeBron has been the villain of the media narrative for the last 2 years since he joined Miami. Do you even wtach ESPN? And Durant is not underrated in the least; again, the media narrative is that he and the Thunder will be contending for a spot in the Finals for years to come (which they will). Plus, he went to a Catholic school. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::LeBron wasn't my addition but the hype for him seems a bit much.  Perhaps his unusual name helps.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:01, 24 June 2012 (EDT)\&lt;br /&gt;
:::How does his name impact anything at all? [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Steve Nash and his 2 MVPs...does the phrase &amp;quot;Most Valuable Player&amp;quot; mean anything? It is awarded to the player judged to be most valuable to his team. Not the best player on the best team...the player most important to his team's success. And Nash was certainly the most valuable to the Suns those years considering his supporting cast. Nash is an extremely inventive, creative point guard and the ultimate team player. Plus, he produced a documentary about famed conservative runner Terry Fox. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::MVP is by popular vote by ... the [[lamestream media]].  It's like the Academy Awards and Nobel Prize -- being liberal is worth more than being talented.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:01, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::NBA MVPs will always more likely be liberal because the league is so heavily black. For comparison, let's look at the last 20 NFL MVPs (awarded by an AP poll of &amp;quot;liberal media&amp;quot;, as you would call them). Republican Favre thrice, Steve Young (a relative of Brigham Young, for crying out loud) twice, Manning 4 times, Christian Aaron Rodgers once, outspoken Christian Kurt Warner twice...that's 60% of the MVPs from 1992-2011. Clearly your argument fails. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Peyton Manning...the MVP stuff from above holds true in the NFL. Yes, he won 1 Super Bowl, but he made another and had to deal with the Steelers and Patriots in the AFC (hardly weak competition). He is one of the smartest football minds to ever play the game, and no serious football analyst would claim he was a downgrade from Tebow. Not one. And he's a Republican.&lt;br /&gt;
::The maneuver to replace Tebow with Peyton in a [[swing state]] in an election year is transparent, wouldn't you say?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:01, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::...so John Elway, a Republican, apparently isn't concerned with his team primarily and traded his Republican starting QB once he acquired an even better Republican quarterback? Your argument makes no sense. Elway is a Republican but not a national political figure. None of this has anything to do with politics. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: So anything that occurs in a [[swing state]] during an election year is a political maneuver? Well, it rained today in Florida. Clearly a plot by Obama to gather more votes. --[[User:MatthewQ|MatthewQ]] 14:12, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::: I wasn't being entirely serious with my &amp;quot;wouldn't you say?&amp;quot; comment above, but even some jokes can carry a germ of truth.  Colorado is very polarized politically and ideologically, as a swing state, and there was pressure to find a substitute who could serve as a plausible reason to trade Tebow away.  Florida is not as much of a [[swing state]] as Colorado, and rain is not the result of political pressure!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:13, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::: If you weren't being entirely serious then why did you write the thing about Tebow being traded from a swing state during an election year in the article?! Or is Conservapedia openly a satire site now? (Many people seem to think it is one.) Anyway, the evidence that political pressure having anything to do with Tebow being trade is just as strong as political pressure being responsible for the rain.  --[[User:MatthewQ|MatthewQ]] 16:40, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::The entry is obviously about the ''hype'', the ''overrated'' aspect.  Peyton Manning was overrated earlier this year in connection with replacing Tebow.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:44, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::How exactly was Manning overrated in this case? Please tell me using your knowledge of football, not your political views. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:05, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Mark Sanchez...say what you will, but he's been to 2 AFC Championship games, Tebow none. I will acknowledge his below average play last season (I'm not the biggest fan of him) but it would be suicidal for Rex Ryan to bench him in favor of a new acquisition who completed 46% of his passes last season. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not my addition, but I bet Tebow is replacing him by mid-season, but the replacement should occur before the first regular season game, if it weren't for liberal politics.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:01, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Please tell me specifically how &amp;quot;liberal politics&amp;quot; is keeping Sanchez as the starter, and use your knowlege of football to tell me why Tebow would be a better starter than Sanchez. [[User:AndrewTompkins|AndrewTompkins]] 22:42, 24 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Becks ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I follow US soccer closely and have never seen David Beckham promoted as he is Pele. He is one of the best, probably top 3, free kick takers to have played the sport. This is shown by his stats. I don't see how he is overrated when he actually is a fantastic athlete. He has six Premier League titles, 2 FA Cup titles, 4 FA community shields, 2 MLS supporters shields , an MLS Cup.. the list goes on and on (that doesn't include lengthy list of personal honors he has received.) I am seriously curious as to how he is overrated. --[[User:DanJG|DanJG]] 13:25, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:With respect, I think you are missing the point.  This list has nothing to do with sporting achievements.  Rather it has to do with whether the athletes involved are deserving of the praise they receive.  Beckham, due to his promotion of [[Hollywood Values]] does not deserve the accolades he has acquired.  --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 09:07, 26 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Athletes should be praised, or criticized, for the job they do on whatever sporting field they participate in - that's their job, and that's how they should be rated. Period. Everything else is just petty gossipmongering. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 09:18, 26 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Quick question about standards... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are these athletes overrated based on their entire career, or just based on the last years of it, as they age and their skills fade due to injuries and/or age? Truly, the only ''fair'' way to judge someone is based on the entirety of their career, as objectively as possible. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 14:47, 25 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Tiger Woods? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I know that Tiger Woods is not well liked and that people here enjoy seeing him fail, but his achievements still place him in the upper echelons of golfers for all time&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Public service</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-26T12:47:06Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;ScottK: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;A public service is a service provided by a [[government]] to its citizens. &lt;br /&gt;
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Examples of public services may include:&lt;br /&gt;
*Fire departments&lt;br /&gt;
*[[library|Libraries]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Law enforcement&lt;br /&gt;
*Health care&lt;br /&gt;
*Waste management&lt;br /&gt;
*The [[military]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Social services&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Public service</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-26T12:39:11Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;ScottK: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;A public service is a service provided by a government to its citizens. &lt;br /&gt;
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Examples of public services may include:&lt;br /&gt;
*Fire departments&lt;br /&gt;
*[[library|Libraries]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Law enforcement&lt;br /&gt;
*Health care&lt;br /&gt;
*Waste management&lt;br /&gt;
*The [[military]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Social services&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Public service</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-26T12:28:03Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;ScottK: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;A public service is a service provided by a government to its citizens. &lt;br /&gt;
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Examples of public services may include:&lt;br /&gt;
*Fire departments&lt;br /&gt;
*[[library|Libraries]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Law enforcement&lt;br /&gt;
*Health care&lt;br /&gt;
*Waste management&lt;br /&gt;
*The [[military]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Public service</title>
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		<updated>2012-06-26T12:27:06Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;ScottK: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;A public service is a service provided by a government to its citizens. &lt;br /&gt;
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Examples of public services may include:&lt;br /&gt;
*Fire departments&lt;br /&gt;
*[[library|Libraries]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Law enforcement&lt;br /&gt;
*Health care&lt;br /&gt;
*Waste management&lt;br /&gt;
*The military&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<updated>2012-06-26T12:25:50Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;ScottK: Created page with &amp;quot;A public service is a service provided by a government to its citizens.   Examples of public services may include: *Fire departments *Libraries *Law enforcement *Health care *Was...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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Examples of public services may include:&lt;br /&gt;
*Fire departments&lt;br /&gt;
*Libraries&lt;br /&gt;
*Law enforcement&lt;br /&gt;
*Health care&lt;br /&gt;
*Waste management&lt;br /&gt;
*The military&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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