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		<title>Big Bang theory</title>
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Universe expansion.png|right|thumb|250px|According to the Big Bang theory, the universe originated by expanding into space from an extremely dense and hot state called the ''original singularity''.]] &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:End of universe.jpg|right|thumb|250px|According to the Big Bang theory, the three possible geometries of the universe depend on the value of the ''[[cosmological constant]]''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The '''Big Bang theory''' is a scientific theory used to account for the acceleration of matter throughout the Universe.&lt;br /&gt;
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Big bang theories are actually a ''class'' of scientific models that describe the Universe as expanding from a very hot, dense state approximately 13.7 billion years ago&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101age.html WMAP Cosmology 101: Age of the Universe]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; (although this number has been revised several times throughout recent history). It was first proposed by the Catholic priest [[Georges-Henri Lemaitre]] and evidence for the expansion was observed by [[Edwin Hubble]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Hubble, E. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, Volume 15, Issue 3, pp. 168-173.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. Later [[George Gamow]] predicted that the Big Bang would leave an observable [[cosmic microwave background|microwave background radiation (or CMBR)]]. This radiation was discovered by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson at [[Bell Labs]]; it was found to be close to that predicted by Gamow (Gamow predicted a background radiation level equivalent to a roughly 3&amp;amp;nbsp;K black body object, and the observed level is that of a 2.725&amp;amp;nbsp;K body).&lt;br /&gt;
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The name &amp;quot;Big Bang Theory&amp;quot;, first coined by steady state theorists is often mistakenly thought to imply an explosion of matter into pre-existing space, but the theory actually indicates that time began at that point and space expanded from then on, and more space is constantly created in the interstices between particles as the density of the universe falls.  In other words, the Big Bang describes the expansion of space and time.  Big Bang theorists state that the Hubble [[redshift]] is a consequence of this stretching of the fabric of space. &lt;br /&gt;
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Observations of distant supernovae indicate that the Universe is actually undergoing accelerated expansion&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Riess, A. G., et al. The Astronomical Journal, Volume 116, Issue 3, pp. 1009-1038.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Perlmutter, S., et al. The Astrophysical Journal, Volume 517, Issue 2, pp. 565-586.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and galaxy surveys&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.sdss.org/dr5/ Sloan Digital Sky Survey]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Tegmark, M., et al. Physical Review D, vol. 74, Issue 12.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and recent observations of the microwave background&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/ Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;See, for example, http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0603449&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; have allegedly corroborated these claims. Atheists claim that the acceleration is caused by something called '[[dark energy]]', for which there is only observational evidence but no experimental evidence. There is no viable naturalistic explanation of what dark energy is, which even a few atheists admit, yet they insist that dark energy is a naturalistic phenomenon.&lt;br /&gt;
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Scientists refer to the theoretical exact moment the Big Bang supposedly began as t=0 (&amp;quot;t&amp;quot; standing for &amp;quot;time&amp;quot;). At this time, according to their theory all of the matter in the universe - in fact, the universe itself - was contained within a single point (a single point in mathematics is infinitesimally small). A burst of energy known as the Big Bang is claimed to have issued forth, and the universe began.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/bigbang.htm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; 1.0×10&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;-43&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; seconds later, the force of gravity separated from the other forces.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.ccsf.edu/Departments/History_of_Time_and_Life/content/BigBang.htm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In 2006, researchers used the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (launched by NASA in 2001) to measure variations in the cosmic microwave background (a &amp;quot;faint glow which permeates the universe&amp;quot;). According to these measurements, the universe is estimated to be about 13.7 billion years old, &amp;quot;give or take a few hundred-thousand years&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188142,00.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Creationist and Theistic Evolutionary Views==&lt;br /&gt;
The universe appears to be [[Fine tuned universe | fine tuned]] for life to some contrary to more than 99.99...% of the universe having no life, suggesting that God set the laws of physics that allow the universe, complexity, and life to exist. Scientists have been baffled by these &amp;quot;coincidences&amp;quot; as they examine the parameters of the big bang and other physical constants.&lt;br /&gt;
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Some creationists argue that the '''Big Bang theory''' is part of an effort to deny [[God's]] creation of all of existence.  Christian physicists, such as Dr. John Hartnett,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://creation.com/starlight-and-time-a-further-breakthrough&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; have claimed that the Big Bang theory was constructed to account for serious pitfalls to the [[theory of evolution]], particularly the needed timescale of billions of years, amply contradicted by terrestrial and astronomical evidence.  Thus, the big bang is trotted out by [[atheist]] evolutionists to silence [[creationist]] opponents.&lt;br /&gt;
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Young earth creationist scientists contest the Big Bang Theory stating that it is scientifically unsound.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;BB Critique&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Thompson, Bert, Harrub, Brad, and May, Branyon [http://www.apologeticspress.org/modules.php?name=Read&amp;amp;cat=1&amp;amp;itemid=22 The Big Bang Theory—A Scientific Critique] ''Apologetics Press'', May 2003 - 23[5]:32-34,36-47.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Brown, Walt, 2001, [http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/AstroPhysicalSciences16.html Big Bang?]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/309&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2047&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.icr.org/article/343/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In addition, [[young earth creationism]] holds that the book of Genesis is historical in nature and that [[Bible exegesis]] warrants a six-day creation with each day being 24 hours.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://creationwiki.org/Days_of_creation Days of Creation] (CreationWiki).&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/genesis.asp Genesis Questions and Answers] (Answers in Genesis).&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Niessen, Richard, [http://www.icr.org/article/164/ Theistic Evolution and the Day-Age Theory] ''Impact'' 81, March 1980.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Some Old Earth Creationists and Theistic Evolutionists argue that the Big Bang is in fact mentioned in the Bible. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.reasons.org/resources/fff/2000issue03/index.shtml#big_bang_the_bible_taught_it_first http://www.reasons.org/resources/fff/2000issue03/index.shtml#big_bang_the_bible_taught_it_first]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Some Christian apologists who believe in an old earth, such as [[William Craig]] use the Big Bang as an apologetic, arguing that it proves that the universe had a beginning. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Strobel, Lee. ''The Case for a Creator''. Zondervan, 2004. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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He further discusses the many theories that have been proposed to counter the Big Bang Theory due to its conclusion that there is a beginning or origin of creation.  These additional theories have been broken down to still revert to a beginning.  This in essence tries to proves a divine power or creator, which frustrates the many atheistic scientists that are trying to prove that God does not exist, including well known physicist [[Stephen Hawking]]. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Stephen Hawking, ''A Brief History of Time.''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Scientific Criticism ==&lt;br /&gt;
It should be noted that the Big Bang theory has received criticism because it ignores the theory of an oscillating universe. Also, no first cause from the Big Bang has ever been successfully identified, although none is needed as the universe does not exist within time. Furthermore, critics of the Big Bang point out that not everything in the universe is actually moving apart from everything else as some galaxies have collided with other galaxies in the past, although this could be explained through understanding of classical mechanics.&lt;br /&gt;
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The big bang theory is entirely unable to explain the matter-antimatter asymmetry.  If the big bang theory did happen as they say, matter and antimatter would have been created in equal quantities.  When antimatter was first discovered in the 1930's, scientists immediately began looking for traces of it in the universe.  No traces have been found except what we produce in particle accelerators and positrons produced by a type of radiation called positron emission.  This asymmetry means that the big bang theory would have had to violate the laws of physics, since matter would have had to be produced without its antimatter partner, which violates the laws of conservation of electric charge and mass.  There was some excitement in the 1970's about electroweak symmetry breaking as a method by which the matter was &amp;quot;preferred&amp;quot; over antimatter, but the infrequency of the weak force made them conclude this was impossible.  &lt;br /&gt;
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== Big Bang Theory Dissent Letter ==&lt;br /&gt;
Many have dissented from the theory, including the British astronomer Sir [[Fred Hoyle]], the Nobel Prize winner [[Hannes Alfven]], and astronomers [[Geoffrey Burbidge]] and [[Halton Arp]]. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.icr.org/article/343/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; It was Hoyle who sarcastically coined the term during a radio broadcast.&lt;br /&gt;
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In 2004, an ‘Open Letter to the Scientific Community’ disputing the Big Bang theory was signed by 33 scientists and has been published on the internet and in the science journal [[New Scientist]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/0601skepticism.asp&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18224482.900&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The dissent letter has subsequently been signed by hundreds of individuals around the world. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cosmologystatement.org/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Professional cosmologists are actively creating models (some of which contradict the Big Bang scenario) and collecting data that probe the specific nature of the earliest observable aspects of the Universe.&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Horizon Problem ==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[horizon problem]] is an argument against the Big Bang theory.&lt;br /&gt;
As [[Jason Lisle]] explains:&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteBox|The problem is this: even assuming the big bang timescale, there has not been enough time for light to travel between widely separated regions of space. So, how can the different regions of the current [cosmic microwave background] CMB have such precisely uniform temperatures if they have never communicated with each other? This is a light-travel–time problem.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Lisle, Jason, [http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/167/ Light-travel time: a problem for the big bang], ''Creation'' 25(4):48–49, September 2003.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Recognizing this difficulty, physicist [[Alan Guth]] conjured an explanation he named [[cosmic inflation]].&lt;br /&gt;
According to this claim, during the universe's first 10&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;-35&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; of a second, a period of extremely rapid, exponential inflation occurred, expanding the universe by a factor of at least 10&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;26&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
It would be the equivalent of taking a pea and expanding it to the size of our solar system in a time less than a millionth of a blink of an eye.&lt;br /&gt;
If this occurred, it would mathematically allow for the uniformity of the [[CMBR]] - the vast distances were in thermodynamical contact before the rapid inflation.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Castelvecchi, Davide, [http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/cms/?pid=1000045 The Growth of Inflation] ''Symmetry'', 1(2), December 2004, p.12-17&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Hinshaw, Gary, [http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/24768 WMAP data put cosmic inflation to the test], 3rd May, 2006 (PhysicsWorld.com).&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
However, no naturalistic mechanism that would cause this sudden expansion is known, and inflation remains, at present, entirely speculative.&lt;br /&gt;
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==External Links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.rareuniverse.org/general_science/bigbang.html Stages of the Big Bang]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Gravitation</title>
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&lt;div&gt;'''Gravitation''' is the tendency for every object with [[mass]] to attract every other object with [[mass]]. Gravitation is what gives everyday objects [[Weight|weight]], and what causes objects that are dropped from a height to fall to the ground. Gravitation also keeps the [[Moon|moon]] in orbit around the [[Earth]] and the Earth in orbit around the [[Sun|sun]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The attraction depends on the mass of the objects and the distance between them.  The gravitational force between two persons is minuscule; however, the gravitational force between a person and the [[earth]] is quite significant.  However, if the person gets in a spacecraft and flies halfway to the moon, the gravitational force between him and the earth will significantly decrease because they are farther apart.  The force will never become zero no matter how far he goes from the earth; however, if he goes far enough away, it will be counterbalanced by other masses' gravitational force.&lt;br /&gt;
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The mechanism which transports gravity has never been observed.  [[Isaac Newton]] famously said about gravity, ''&amp;quot;Hypotheses non fingo,&amp;quot;'' or, &amp;quot;I make no hypotheses&amp;quot; about how it works.  More recently, [[Albert Einstein]] hypothesized as part of [[general relativity]] that gravity is a force caused by masses distorting [[spacetime]] itself.  [[Quantum mechanics]] denies this and hypothesizes instead that gravity is transmitted by a hypothetical particle, the [[graviton]], similar to how the electromagnetic force is transmitted by the [[photon]].  The debate continues as scientists try to reconcile general relativity with quantum mechanics.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Scientific Theories of Gravitation ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Over the past four centuries, many scientific [[Theory|theories]] of gravitation have been proposed. Three of these theories have gained sufficient widespread acceptance to be considered, for a time, &amp;quot;correct&amp;quot; theories.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Galilean Gravitation ===&lt;br /&gt;
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Gravitation has been the subject of modern scientific study for about 400 years, beginning with the work of [[Galileo Galilei]] in the late 16th century. According to a biography written by his pupil, Vincenzo Viviani, Galileo dropped objects from the Leaning Tower of Pisa to demonstrate that objects fall at the same rate regardless of mass.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Drake, Stillman. &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Galileo At Work.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; (1978)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; (Historians now disagree as to whether this experiment actually took place in the way Viviani described.) These results were in contradiction to the ancient Aristotelian conception of gravity, which stated that the speed of an object's fall was proportional to its weight.&lt;br /&gt;
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Galileo also described a mathematical formula for the distance an object will fall in a given time, though his description was geometric rather than algebraic.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Sharratt, Michael. &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Galileo: Decisive Innovator.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; (1994)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; His formula, that the distance fallen is proportional to the square of the elapsed time, or &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;d ∝ t&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;2&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;,&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; remains valid for many approximations today. However, Galileo's theory that the acceleration of gravity is independent on an object's height above the ground could not stand the test of time.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Newtonian Gravitation ===&lt;br /&gt;
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In 1687, [[Sir Isaac Newton]] published his [[Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica|''Principia Mathematica'']], an exhaustive work that laid the foundation for what we know today as classical mechanics. In this work, Newton advanced the [[Law of Universal Gravitation|law of universal gravitation]] that had been previously published by Hooke and others. Whereas Galileo described gravitation in terms of motion, Newton described it in terms of a [[Force|force]]. Gravitation itself went from the natural tendency of objects to fall to a vector [[Field theory|field theory]] in which the force between two objects was inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.&lt;br /&gt;
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Newton's vector equation for gravitation states that each particle in the [[universe]] attracts another particle with a force directly [[proportion]]al to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the [[exponentiation|square]] of the distance between them&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Serway and Beichner, Physics for Scientists and Engineers, Fifth Edition&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, or: &lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\mathbf{F} = -G \frac{m_1 m_2}{\vert {\mathbf{r}} \vert ^2} \mathbf{\hat{r}}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Where:&lt;br /&gt;
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*''&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;F&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;'' is the gravitational force vector.&lt;br /&gt;
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*''m''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;1&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; and ''m''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;2&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; are the object's masses.&lt;br /&gt;
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*''&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;r&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;'' is the vector that separates the objects' centers of mass.&lt;br /&gt;
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* &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\mathbf{\hat{r}}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is the unit vector of ''&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;r&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;''; &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\mathbf{r} = \vert {\mathbf{r}} \vert \  \mathbf{\hat{r}}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*''G'' is the [[gravitational constant]]: &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\frac{6.67428 \times 10^{-11} N m^2}{kg^2}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Another way to express this equation, that is more convenient for programming and expansion into power series, is:&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\mathbf{F} = -G \frac{m_1 m_2}{\vert {\mathbf{r}} \vert ^3} \mathbf{r}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Near the surface of the Earth, where the difference in gravitational acceleration at different heights is very small, Newtonian gravitation &amp;quot;reduces&amp;quot; to, or is mathematically equivalent to within a known margin of error, Galilean gravitation. That is, both Galilean gravitation and Newtonian gravitation can reasonably describe the motion of falling apples and artillery shells. But further from the surface of the Earth, the errors in Galileo's approximation become too great, and Newton's model is required.&lt;br /&gt;
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Newton's theory of gravitation stood, refined and reformulated, but essentially unchanged, for more than two centuries.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Relativistic Gravitation ===&lt;br /&gt;
In 1915, [[Albert Einstein]] published the [[general theory of relativity]], a radical reinterpretation of the phenomenon of gravitation, based on the work of [[Marcel Grossmann]], [[David Hilbert]], and others. Whereas Galileo described gravity in terms of motion, and Newton described gravity in terms of force, Einstein described gravity in terms of inertial motion in curved spacetime, such curvature being a function of the matter and fields in a given region. In the famous words of physicist [[John Wheeler]], &amp;quot;Matter tells space how to curve, and space tells matter how to move.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Misner, Thorne &amp;amp; Wheeler. &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Gravitation.&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; (1973)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Just as the Newtonian theory reduced to Galilean gravitation near the surface of the Earth, general relativity gravitation reduces to Newtonian gravity where gravitational fields are relatively weak. Only when gravitational fields are strong, such as the field around the sun within the orbit of [[Mercury]], do Newton's equations fail to produce a good approximation of reality.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== The Possibility of Quantum Gravitation ===&lt;br /&gt;
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During the era when Newtonian gravity was preeminent, gravitation was considered to be one of the &amp;quot;fundamental forces of nature,&amp;quot; along with electricity, magnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces. Over the years, this interpretation has fallen out of favor, for a variety of reasons. Research into [[electrodynamics]] revealed the electric and magnetic forces to be two aspects of the same thing, and [[quantum mechanics]] described the strong and weak forces in terms of interactions mediated by [[Boson|bosons]]. Further research into [[quantum chromodynamics]] and the [[Standard Model]] increased our understanding of how electromagnetism and the nuclear forces work, but gravitation remained a thing apart.&lt;br /&gt;
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Over the past few decades, attention has been turned toward formulating a [[Quantum gravity|quantum field theory of gravity]] which would describe the gravitational interaction in terms of a mechanism similar to the electromagnetic, strong and weak nuclear interactions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Physicists do not universally agree that a quantum theory of gravity is inevitable, or even possible. Einstein's theory of gravitation described gravity in a way that is so fundamentally different from the other interactions in nature that many physicists no longer gravity to be a force at all. Rather, under the Einsteinian interpretation, gravitation is an inherent property of spacetime and has no analogue at the quantum level at all. Other physicists believe that the Einsteinian interpretation is merely a useful large-scale approximation of an interaction which we have not yet detected on the subatomic scale.&lt;br /&gt;
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To date, no satisfactory theory of quantum gravity has been advanced, but research continues. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Gravitation demystified===&lt;br /&gt;
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It has been discovered in 1985, with high school calculus, by a sculptor turned electrical engineer (since sculptors have to eat and sculpting alone is not a suitable profession for this especially in Boston, MA that has ''&amp;quot;The Boston Museum School&amp;quot;'', the best in the country, but only one visual artist making living with his trade alone; and he is a painter). &lt;br /&gt;
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The discovery was done accorfing to Einstein's prescription for making discoveries: ''&amp;quot;When all the eperts decide that something can't be calculated, there comes an ignorant who doesn't know it, and calculates it.&amp;quot;'' &lt;br /&gt;
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It turned out that [[Hubble constant]] should be calculated before jumping to conclusion that it can't be done and that the universe is expanding. It turned out that it can be calculated and it produces the observed value of [[Hubble constant]]. So it implies that we live in eternal, stationary universe, which only looks like expanding for the reason of coupling between [[time dilation]] and [[curvature of space]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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The ''&amp;quot;[[gravitation demystified]]&amp;quot;'' is Einsteinian type theory (see article ''&amp;quot;[[gravitation demystified]]&amp;quot;'' for details). It explains gravitational force in terms of quantum effect of particles taking spontaneously (without being prompted to do so by any direct force) the most probable position of lowest energy in spacetime. It happens in the intrinsically flat, [[Minkowski]], spacetime (as also proposed in 1993 by Narlikar and Arp &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Narlikar, J. &amp;amp; Arp, H. ''&amp;quot;Flat spacetime cosmology - a unifiedframework for extragalactic redshifts&amp;quot;''. 1993, Astrophysical Journal, Part 1 &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; ) that is necessary for strict conservation of energy, used to demonstrate that our iniverse is not expanding. The conservation of energy follows from Noether theorem, in absence of expansion of universe. The &amp;quot;[[gravitation demystified|demystified gravitation]]&amp;quot; is meant as a continuation of Einstein's general relativity based on his 1917 stationary model of universe with an important change of introducing non symmetric temporal part of Ricci tensor (named &amp;quot;Hubble tensor&amp;quot;) which also removed Einstein's cosmological constant (''&amp;quot;the biggest blunder of my life&amp;quot;'' in Einstein's words) from his field equation. Coupling the curvature of space to the time dilation made the time runing at the deep space galaxies exponentially slower with distance, which produced the observed illusion of accelerating expansion.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[cosmological redshift]] was taken not long time ago for a sign that the universe is expanding. The project meant to prove that expansion of space is decelerating, to add credibility to the Big Bang hypohtesis (in agreement with John Archibald Wheeler's theory), showed that to the contrary, the universe seems to be expanding with accelerating expansion &lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;dH/dt=-H_o^2/2&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, &lt;br /&gt;
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where &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;H&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is Hubble &amp;quot;constant&amp;quot;, actually a Hubble ''function'' of distance converted to time, &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;t&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is coordinate time, &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;H_o&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is Hubble &amp;quot;constant&amp;quot; at &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;t=0&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, which was just the acceleration predicted by Einsteinian gravitation as ''apparent'' accelerating expansion that should be observed if [[gravitation demystified]] where a true theory.&lt;br /&gt;
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It was observed with accuracy better than one standard deviation (max possible) but the Big Bang aficionados patched their hypothesis with &amp;quot;[[dark energy]]&amp;quot; insisting that the universe is expanding because of this dark energy, faster and faster. Now they are looking for this energy in the universe while papers on [[gravitation demystified]] are still rejected by scientific journals so nobody is even aware that [[gravitation demystified]] explains many mysteries.&lt;br /&gt;
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==External Links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i3/gravity.asp &amp;amp;nbsp; Gravity: The Mystery Force]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.relativitycalculator.com/Newton_Universal_Gravity_Law.shtml &amp;amp;nbsp; Newton's Universal Law of Gravitational Force]&lt;br /&gt;
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== God doesn't exist ==&lt;br /&gt;
Because God doesn't exist Jesus can't be claimed as the son of god. For this reason the article should approach the biblical character of Jesus in the same way it would approach the character of any other timeless work of literature.&lt;br /&gt;
:You can't really prove that God doesn't exist, nor can you prove that he does. That's the entire faith problem, it requires an act of faith. Proof for God's existence is as likely to be found as is proof for the existence of French-speaking pebbles floating around in space. It's an amazing and expanding universe after all (Monty Python, The meaning of Life(the Galaxy song)). Jesus however did exist, but I think God would have better things to do with his time than killing of his child.&lt;br /&gt;
J Wilson, yours truly, et peuvent les cailloux nous protéger !&lt;br /&gt;
:Are you trying to fling stones at us, Mr Wilson, by the forcing of your religious beliefs on us?  Like it or not, that child you so readily condemn died so that we could gain eternal life, as recorded in the Gospels which you also condemn.  You will meet Jesus Christ one day, and whether or not you meet Him as savior or judge depends on whether or not you ask Him to be your savior.  It's your free choice.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:32, 26 July 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Atheists denying existence of historical Jesus?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I seriously challenge this and would like to see some evidence for it. As the article correctly notes, the historical evidence for the life of Jesus of Nazareth is very good. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 06:08, 22 February 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Go look at the section on wikipedia discussing the historicity of Jesus.  This is the typical secular/humanist/evolutionist/atheist pap.  [[User:FightPerniciousSwarm|FightPerniciousSwarm]] 21:47, 30 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Atheists do not deny the historical person.... in fact, quite the opposite. Atheists tend to believe that, someone who is remembered by so much oral and textual history, must've been a real person. However, just like the characters of Homer's Illiad, simply because someone was real, does not make them progeny of any deity. In fact, evidence proving Jesus was a real, historical person only conflicts with ideas that he could magically heal the sick, walk on water, turn water to wine, etc. In other words, it is those who believe Jesus had supernatural powers that do the most disservice to his historical persona.  Were everyone to claim that Jesus was an excellent preacher with some incredibly great ideas, no one would argue his existence!  --[[User:Newsdan|Newsdan]] 14:39, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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As an athiest, I do deny the existence of historical Jesus. But only because every shred of &amp;quot;proof&amp;quot; has been found to be either false, or so vague that it cannot be interpreted as actual proof. Most make references to &amp;quot;Christ&amp;quot; which is was common title, &amp;quot;the anoited one,&amp;quot; not a name. --[[User:Niffed|Niffed]] 23:38, 21 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Niffed, if you don't believe that Jesus Christ exists, why do you spend time on the attempt to disprove something that you believe doesn't exist? Do you think that much about Hobbits, even though Hobbits don't exist? If you really want to know if God exists, ask Him with an honest heart. God promises, that He will make himself known to those who honestly seek Him.[[User:MartialArtist|MartialArtist]] 20:00, 31 October 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Niffed|Niffed]] I would disagree with you but you don't exist and I see no proof that you do. When you can prove you exist then I'll listen to what you have to say - that is if you existed.--[[User:Rickswartzentrover|Rickswartzentrover]] 20:25, 4 November 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The article still says &amp;quot;Occasionally someone denies the existence of Jesus, but few scholars take this seriously.&amp;quot; No source is cited. ''Who,'' exactly, denies the existence of an historical Jesus of Nazareth? If this belief is widely held someone, somewhere ought to have published something about it and the publication ought to be cited. &lt;br /&gt;
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There's no need to introduce this section with a straw man. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 21:24, 4 March 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Want confirmation of this? Go to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ#Historicity this section of Wikipedia's article on Jesus]. It's true that some people deny his existence. It's not a widely held belief; it's only held by a small, and I do emphasize ''small'', minority. [[User:Scorpionman|Scorpionman]] 11:17, 7 March 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::If you think there is a small minority of people in the world that deny the existence of Jesus then you need to get out of the house a bit more.&lt;br /&gt;
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::When using Wikipedia as confirmation of a fact, I try to follow the trail of cited sources. In this case, the trail leads to Wikipedia's article on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus Historicity of Jesus], thence to a footnote, which quotes the source as saying&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The nonhistoricity thesis has always been controversial, and it has consistently failed to convince scholars of many disciplines and religious creeds. ... Biblical scholars and classical historians now regard it as effectively refuted.&amp;quot; - Robert E. Van Voorst, Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2000), p. 16.&lt;br /&gt;
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::I don't think &amp;quot;Biblical scholars and classical historians now regard it as effectively refuted&amp;quot; supports the statement that &amp;quot;a small minority [of scholars] argue that Jesus never existed as a historical figure...&amp;quot; Neither of the Wikipedia articles names any scholars, or anyone else, who hold that Jesus of Nazareth was not a real figure in history.&lt;br /&gt;
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::I still will think it's a straw man unless someone produces some reasonably mainstream, reasonably modern examples of people challenging the historicity of Jesus. Wikipedia's neutrality policy says you can include &amp;quot;facts about opinions&amp;quot; when the opinions are ''reasonably'' widely held. I think the idea of there not being an historical Jesus of Nazareth is so rarely held that it is not worth mentioning. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 11:48, 7 March 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I think you have serious defintional issues here that may alter whether or not this is at all a commonly held view. For example, do we mean that Jesus is a figure made up out of whole cloth? I don't think anyone seriously argues for that. Do we mean that he is a historical figure but many details of other preachers at the time got glommed onto his life-story? Many more would agree with this. Do we mean that Jesus is a compilation of the lives of a variety of people from that time period and one of their names happened to stick? I think you would get a lot for this last one. So when denying historicity you need to be very careful what you mean. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 14:15, 7 March 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: OK. Originally I was commenting on the phrase &amp;quot;Many atheists claim that there is no evidence of Jesus outside the Bible.&amp;quot; That has since been softened to &amp;quot;Occasionally someone denies the existence of Jesus.&amp;quot; I was, indeed, interpreting this to mean &amp;quot;invented in whole cloth.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: If the article were editable I'd propose simply excising the sentence &amp;quot;Occasionally someone denies the existence of Jesus, but few scholars take this seriously&amp;quot; since I don't see that it adds anything to the section. Presumably a finished section would make it clear which details of the Gospel accounts are widely accepted by scholars as historical and which are debated. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 12:40, 11 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::The evidence presented so far in the article is hardly compelling. It needs to be expanded, or the assertion that &amp;quot;few scholars take this seriously&amp;quot; will need to be qualified. --[[User:John|John]] 22:52, 12 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Whether there are or are not people who question the historical existence of Jesus is not as important to this article as is the fact that there is no citation of where this claim comes from. Scorpionman, if you are suggesting I should go to Wikipedia to check the information, then what use does this Conservapedia article have in the first place? --[[User:GarbageMan|GarbageMan]] 10:14 5 April 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even we Atheists and Jews do not deny the '''existence''' of Jesus, merely the idea that he was the son of God.&lt;br /&gt;
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There are other conservative religious perspectives as well, could the article be expanded to include those?  In particular Muslims accept the existance of Jesus as a Prophet but deny that he is the son of God.  &lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:AGivenVoice|AGivenVoice]] 20:04, 3 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am an Atheist.   I believe in Jesus.   I just don't believe he was a deity.   [[User:AnAtheist|AnAtheist]] 20:08, 3 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is no independent (i.e., non-Christian) evidence of the existence of Jesus because he was not well known during his life.  Roman and Jewish scholars who wrote about him long after his death relied on Christians sources for his existence.  However, I cannot see why this should matter, since this is a matter of faith.  --[[User:The Four Deuces|The Four Deuces]] 17:36, 8 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is no evidence that jesus was anything other than a man other than one book, the bible which could very well have been a collection of childrens stories used to teach morals.&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't believe  that UFOs exist but I don't spend hours trying to convince others that UFO's don't exist - Why because I don't HATE UFOs, I simply don't believe they exist. See all the so-called Atheists know that God exists and they are scared to death, that is why they spend all their time trying to convince themselves that he doesn't exist. Show me a Atheist and I'll show you a God-hating Christaphobic bigot.--[[User:Rickswartzentrover|Rickswartzentrover]] 21:07, 4 November 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Locked ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone unlock this article? It needs more information. [[User:Scorpionman|Scorpionman]] 11:21, 7 March 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Apparently... the key to unlocking this page is true faith.&lt;br /&gt;
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The very fact that this article is locked means I'm leaving this website and never returning again.&lt;br /&gt;
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::You Legend&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Some one needs to unlock this page if it is on the main page: Lets all improve these articles. --[[User:Will N.|Will N.]] 09:17, 3 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Funny how this page is locked depsite conservapedia asking for people to edit it. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;previous unsigned comment added by&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; [[User:Wikipediaisbetter]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Funny how Wikipedia's article is also locked... They are better exactly how..? [[User:Fox|Fox]] 10:11, 25 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Jesus is a pretty popular object of vandalism, I say keep it locked and people can propose changes here. That is one of the reasons for talk pages. --[[User:BenjaminS|Ben]] &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User Talk:BenjaminS|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 10:58, 25 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Josephus ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The line about Josephus is misleading and false.  No doubt you refer to the &amp;quot;Testimoniam Flavianum,&amp;quot; in which Josephus trumpets Jesus as the messiah for one paragraph, and then moves on.  It's worth noting that the TF is not believed by any serious scholars, and has been shown to be a forgery added by medieval monks... note that this does *NOT* undercut the importance of Jesus at all!  He was barely known in his time, and the fact that Josephus wouldn't write about him is unsurprising.  Josephus was known to be an anti-revolutionary who hated all the messianic figures of his time, and won his fame by being the lone Jew to decry them...&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/JewishJesus/josephus.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:When you say &amp;quot;serious scholars&amp;quot; you mean Liberal God-hating Scholars don't you. I know of 1000s of serious scholars that know it is genuine. That is just the typical ploy of the left whenever they don't like something. I can do it also watch - The myth that Alexander the great ever existed is not believed by any serious scholars, and has been shown to be a forgery added by medieval Atheist of the Enlightenment cult. See how easy it is to just hide you head under your blanket &amp;amp; say the boogy man isn't real.&lt;br /&gt;
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Excuse me, but do you think it's worth mentioning that Jesus was probably Jewish?  He merely provided the foundation of Christianity.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Jewish? ''Jewish''? He was the Son of God, for pete's sake (sorry, nearly used the other, rather more obvious expression)! Haven't you seen all those pictures of him with the fair hair and blue eyes? And so, with Joseph not being his father an' all, he can only have been ''half''-Jewish at best, can he? (pardon my irony!) So it's no wonder, is it, that, thanks largely to Paul, the poor Jews can't make head or tail of what Christians have managed to do with him  - let alone with ''their'' scriptures!--[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 12:55, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wouldn't that be racist? --[[User:Luke-Jr|Luke-Jr]] 13:02, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No. Just taking the p... out of racists! Irony. British thing. Don't worry your head about it! (''Of course'' the man was Jewish!). --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 13:44, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Having been born in that part of the world, the Roman province of Palestine, he more likely had semitic features was short (everyone was short at the time), olive skinned with dark hair. Plus, he observed Passover, and read in the synagogue. [[User:Vjay|Vjay]] 22:23, 14 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Matrilineal descent is what counts, I believe. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 13:00, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's funny - I could have sworn that Matthew traces his descent through his father (or rather through the man who allegedly wasn't his father in the first place) while Luke does the same, but citing an incompatible number of generations and entirely different names! (pardon my irony again!) --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 13:11, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, you'd have thought they'd have said so, then, wouldn't you?  Especially as they both say it's through Joseph, and there are far more generations in the one than in the other! (Honestly, the squirming that goes on to try and justify Christian dogma in the face of what the scriptures actually say!) ;) --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 13:44, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Its rather redundant to state he was Jewish.  As obvious as stating he was male.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Christ ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is this page locked?  I thought that perhaps one should add, after explaining that &amp;quot;Jesus&amp;quot; is the Greek form of the Hebrew name &amp;quot;Joshua,&amp;quot; that &amp;quot;Christ&amp;quot; comes from the Greek &amp;quot;christos,&amp;quot; meaning &amp;quot;the annointed one&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Absolutely. Or rather that ''christos'' is the Greek translation of Hebrew ''mashiach'', meaning 'anointed' and thus '[[Messiah]]' (and not, of course, Joshua's surname!!). Ironic, isn't it, that we know the two names mainly through the 'enemy' Greek culture that faithful Hebrews were most anxious to combat at the time? --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 07:18, 14 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Christ the Redeemer?? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Er...I find it a little bizarre to have a photo, and not a very good one of the Christ the Redeemer sculpture in Brazil as the only picture on this article.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''A NOTE TO THE ADMINS:''' Why are so many essential articles locked? If someone wanted to v-andalise an article on Jesus they'd do it on Wikipedia where they'd get more airtime. This article is so woefully inadequate it's almost laughable. What about the teachings of Jesus, summarised? What about, oh, the prophets of the old testament foretelling his coming? What about the revelation of God's character through the old testament brought to fruition in Christ?&lt;br /&gt;
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If you want to lock these articles, fine, I don't care. But make sure they're up to scratch before you do so. Otherwise you'll just drive people away like our friend earlier. [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:54, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Help for this article is on the way, so be patient!  :) [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 21:56, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==The name Jesus==&lt;br /&gt;
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I came across some interesting information, which I've summarised here. If anybody who can edit this page would like to put it in, others might also find it interesting.&lt;br /&gt;
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Considering that Christianity is 2000 years old, the name Jesus for Jesus Christ is not a very old word in English. In Old English he was called hæland “saviour”, from the Proto-Germanic root hailjan “to heal, to save”. &lt;br /&gt;
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After the Norman conquest, the French form Iesu  or Iesus was adopted. This derived from Latin Iosus, which the Romans adopted from the Greek Iesous.  The Greeks derived the name from the late Hebrew or Aramaic name Yoshua, today’s version of which is “Joshua”.  The earlier Aramaic form was Jehoshua (Y’hoshua) or Joshua., deriving from Hebrew Jah, short for Jahweh, and  Aramaic y’shuoh meaning “salvation”. The name thus meant “Jah is salvation”.  Both Joshua and Jehoshua were common names in the time of Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;
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In 16th century written English both Iesu and Iesus were used, for example in Tyndale’s New Testament of 1526. J did not replace I until the 17th century and the form with the final s became common in the 18th century.  &lt;br /&gt;
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In Middle English documents, Jesus was often written IHS, an abbreviation of Greek IHSOYS (Iesous).  However, in spoken English between the 11th and 17th centuries, the letter I could sound like either an I or a J, so the pronunciation of Iesus was similar to today’s sound.  Welsh still retains the Iesu form but pronounces it “yessy”. &lt;br /&gt;
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:''Very'' interesting, but, alas, factual - so it doesn't have much chance of being included here! --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 11:19, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just curious, especially considering how big a deal the A.D./C.E. thing is here, but why is there no mention of Christs Birthdate?  Would think its sort of important given how much attention you've been heeding it.  Best Scholarly guess seems to be late September in 05 B.C., which is odd I think, since that not only would grammatically read as him being born five years before he was born (a lesser miracle?) but also would imply that A.D. and C.E. are equally, inaccurately, based on the date of Christ's birth, with only A.D. claiming as much, and incorrectly at that.&lt;br /&gt;
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The date would have been around Sept. 15 or 16 of 5 b.c., going by the signs in the heavens and the lunar cycle, and adjusting it to a Roman calendar date. The important thing to remember is that Yahshua was FULFILLING TORAH, thus, 'the day of his DEATH is better than the day of his birth', meaning we should continue in observing PASSOVER. 'Do this in remembrance of me...'  --[[User:Witnessnbr1|Witnessnbr1]] 14:20, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am reinserting the reference to ''Case for Christ''. It is not a &amp;quot;book review&amp;quot; to mention the book in one or two sentences. In fact, I think Conservapedia should serve as a jumping off point to further research on subjects, and that book is in itself a jumping off point to further research. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 01:11, 10 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This ought to be Jesus Christ, not just Jesus. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:20, 10 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well from what I understand Christ is a [[Messiah|title]] not part of a name. It would be like renaming the George W. Bush article to President George W. Bush. If you're worried about someone typing in Jesus Christ and not able to get to the article that's not happening as Jesus Christ redirects to Jesus. [[User:Sulgran|Sulgran]] 03:33, 10 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:*Sulgran, it is a highly secular idea of what it means.  His name is '''Jesus Christ''' to hundreds of millions of people throughout the World.  I don't think some online encyclopedia has a right to truncate his name. As Christians, we hold to these basic tenets: &lt;br /&gt;
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'Christ' simply means 'anointed', like in Daniel, 'an anointed one'. His name should be Yahshua of Nazareth, as He was never a GREEK. --[[User:Witnessnbr1|Witnessnbr1]] 14:23, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Due to article improvement drive I am unprotecting this article.  Please watch for vandals. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:08, 29 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It looks like it has been locked again.  There are a few ignorant spelling errors I would like to correct. [[User:MontyZuma|MontyZuma]] 19:09, 2 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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is an example of simple logic. There could be any number of reasons why he would submit to his execution. I don't think even Christian's think he only did it to prove that he would be resurrected. He submitted to be executed simply because it would wash away the sins of man. This statement should be removed. [[User:MatteeNeutra|MatteeNeutra]] 12:58, 29 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Surely Jesus while on Earth was a man born of woman and both feared and felt pain as a man would. Saying he went willingly because he knew he would rise again surely cheapens the sacrifice he made for us. He gave his life willingly and with great suffering for us without knowing what would become of him and, in this, made the most selfless sacrifice in all of history.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not a theologian but I would like to see a scholar of the Bible (as supposed to a simple follower like me) look at what I've suggested and see if the Bible supports this. I always believed that the human aspect of him made the sacrifice all the greater (and the sadder as such a great man died to such mockery and in such pain). --[[User:Trashbat|Trashbat]] 19:17, 2 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If Jesus was the son of God, but also part of God himself, and God is all powerful, why did Jesus need to sacrifice himself to himself to amend a rule he made himself?--[[User:Xodion|Xodion]] 00:30, 2 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Jesus did not have to sacrifice himself. He could have snapped his fingers. The point is that by dying on the cross, Jesus gave us that powerful image of our redemption. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 00:32, 2 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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In this discussion, it is good to remember a number of things. &amp;quot;HImself to Himself&amp;quot; implies the Trinity. This cannot be well or fully understood, but that does not mean it cannot be believed in. I believe in &amp;quot;One God in three Persons&amp;quot; yet even what I believe is not with full understanding. Jesus sacrificing Himself to Himself according to the rules He has made does point to an aspect which may have the solution that Xodion is searching for. The key is forgiveness. What we mean by forgiveness, what forgiveness really is. Whether forgivenss is of man or God, what it is is always a dying to oneself, a sacrifice of what is dear to you, part of you, of your innermost sense of what should be, must be.  If that is not so, it is not forgiveness. It is forgetting, or not caring, or looking the other way, or indulgence, cavalier, meaning nothing. For God to truly forgive us, something in Himself, in a very real sense, had to experience a death. And so Jesus on the Cross - bearing our sins and for our sakes[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 06:25, 4 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The top picture should be on the right more so the text can be on the left. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:16, 1 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*LOL...its okay for the pic to be on the left, as it was originally. ;-) --[[User:TK|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Sysop-&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;TK]] &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 19:27, 1 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::TK, i certainly don't want to get into a edit war over something trivial.  But people do read from left to right and at first I missed the upper text.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:39, 1 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Glad to see you unprotected the article for the &amp;quot;Article improvement drive&amp;quot;.  I would make some edits but need to hit the sack. [[User:Ian St John|Ian St John]] 19:00, 10 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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While this is interesting, it's not appropriate for an article on Jesus Christ, which itself can get rather long.  I did include a brief acknowledgement of Joshua and Messiah in the opening paragraph so your additions in regard to Jesus Christ are not lost. I hope this makes sense to you. Thanks  [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 16:26, 14 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I wrote a new lead.  I hope its not to bold, but I wanted to get the point about just who Jesus is right upfront.  [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 20:10, 14 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:While I am a Christian, I'm still thinking perhaps we should start with the words &amp;quot;In Christian theology&amp;quot;, before your new lead.  [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 02:34, 15 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Learn together, please don't fall for the realitivists here.  This is a Christian, Conservative encyclopedia.  Ignore those wanting neutral statements, okay?  --[[User:TK|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Sysop-&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;TK]] &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 06:23, 15 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Can you objectively, empirically demonstrate the claim that Christ was born of a virgin, was the incarnation of God and, through dying, absolved the sins of his believers past, present and future?  Its perfectly fine to believe this, sure, but to claim it as outright fact is wrong, and not simply because the only source for these grand claims is the Bible (a book which contains within it numerous self-contradictory and inaccurate passages, but thats another discussion) but also that to attempt to pin him down as a concrete character defies the various interpretations which have lead to the factioning of the church based on different eschatologies.  Different christian religions all see christ in different lights.  Some believe he was a miracle worker, some a philosopher/teacher, some see him as a pure man of God and some as God himself.  &lt;br /&gt;
:Don't get me wrong, TK, I'm fully in favor of an un-neutral encyclopedia that promotes a specific &amp;quot;Christian, Conservative&amp;quot; narrative by selectively cherrypicking evidence and ignoring context to suggest as fact things that are not necessarily the case, and certainly the article can stay such as it is, offending the intellectual sensibilities of people like Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin who saw truth in Christ's teachings but had &amp;quot;doubts as to his divinity,&amp;quot; by committing the intellectual dishonesty of stating these things as outright fact which only cite one text as the source for these extraordinary claims.  &lt;br /&gt;
:I just think though that if beliefs are going to be stated as fact that CPedia needs to come out front and decide which particular kind of christianity its going to promote as singularly true.  Which particular protestant reformations will CPedia then be in a position to declare as false?  Which Catholic sects?  Methodism?  Lutheranism?  Mormonism?  Making an &amp;quot;un-neutral&amp;quot; statement does get that snowball rolling after all, and if you've decided, TK, that neutrality is a bad thing, then riddle me this:  Which conservapedia contributors... no... which CPedia Sysops will have the fun to find that the CPedia says their particular belief in Christ is outright wrong?  I would really like to know.  You all going to vote on which religion is &amp;quot;true&amp;quot; are you?  I mean clearly here &amp;quot;true&amp;quot; is decided by the ideaology of the sysops as a group, and its not very likely that you all go to the exact same church, so who is it, specifically, who gets to have their Christian faith called false here?  Inquiring minds want to know.&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think you got off on a tangent there.  The majority of practicing Christians would have no trouble with the portrayal of Jesus put forth by Lostcaesar; there's no need to identify every variant and condition to the point where gridlock trumps common sense.  And saying only one text is cited for Jesus is like taking all of the works of ancient Greece and putting them in one volume, then saying there's only one source that discusses ancient Greece. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 02:24, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I apologize if I was unclear.  I realize that there is archeological evidence that Jesus existed, but the problem isn't whether he lived or not.  Its his divinity.  The only source for such a claim is a selection of specific accounts of his life (others who witnessed him do not mention miracles, as an example) of which there is no supporting evidence.  The only you can say about his divinity, therefore, is that the bible claims it to be so and that people believe it.  Stating it as manifest fact simply because the majority agrees would be like, if the majority were also Star Trek fans, saying that Capt. James T Kirk is a real person.  Facts are not democratic and demand quantification.&lt;br /&gt;
:My other problem with &amp;quot;majority&amp;quot; being used to argue the stament of beliefs as fact in this sense is that you admit there are a minority of Christians (myself among them) who do not necessarily believe in the divinity of Christ.  Say then that another section goes up in the article about how He should be worshipped then.  Do you populate that section with the majority religion at the expense of the others?  Say Catholicism over Protestantism?  Then that majority further divides over reformations and yields another majority, which then divides over another issue and then another, and before long you have Russian Nesting dolls, each being a majority, until the &amp;quot;minorities&amp;quot; put together outnumber the &amp;quot;majorities&amp;quot; 10 to 1.  &lt;br /&gt;
:When you allow lapsed standards for statements of fact such as this merely on the basis of it being the opinion of the majority, you get exactly that situation in the long run.  I notice, of course, that if a liberal were to make a similar unverifiable, intellectually dishonest claim on this site, he'd be hunted down with dogs.  For consistancy's sake, for legitimacy's sake, and not least of all for Christ's sake, the only thing that should be said as fact about Christ's divinity is that the bible claims it to be so.--[[User:RexMundane|Rex Mundane]] 11:38, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::What will we write?  &amp;quot;Jesus is the Son of God&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;some claim he said that he was the Son of God.&amp;quot; ? [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 12:40, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think the best and simplest thing to say is some variant of &amp;quot;According to the Bible, Jesus was the son of god, born of a virgin, etc.&amp;quot; since I agree the bible is the most pivotal reference for alot of the history attributed to him.  The important thing to realize is that, and I dont mean this to be as condescenting as it might sound, but Jesus here is basically a character in a book, and as such since the only real source for the bulk of the extraordinary claims is that same book, the very simple quantifier &amp;quot;According to the bible...&amp;quot; used sparingly just to establish that context would, I think, be the best course of action.  Fair?--[[User:RexMundane|Rex Mundane]] 13:41, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry to follow you here, RexMundane, I'll cease with this observation.  I generally agree with your modest tone here, and do not take offense.  I would like to add one clarification, though.  While the Bible is most often published in a single book, it is actually a collection of books (or scrolls), letters, etc.  The phrasing &amp;quot;According to the Bible...&amp;quot; seems to ickypedian to me.  This is a conservative encyclopedia.  I am not sure we need to cite the source of the statement in line, but perhaps we do.  I don't think conservapedia is about doubting the historocity of Jesus.  Am I wrong?  [[User:HeartOfGold|HeartOfGold]] 15:57, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well the claim of Jesus's divinity though is entirely based on the aggregate statements made by the bible.  I agree that there was a Jesus, that significant events in the story of his life, as recanted in the bible, have been verified by archeological record, and it is entirely honest to say as much.  Claiming he was born of a virgin, is the son of God, etc., however rather demands a quantifier since it is, and I say this recognizing this as a &amp;quot;christian&amp;quot; cyclopedia, only a claim being made by one source (I am here refering to the selection of texts in the bible as a single group) and significant as that source is to discussing the nature of Jesus, I maintain that it is wrong to say these things as objective fact when, outside of the claims made by that one source, there is no other empirical proof to say that, for instance, the ressurection was a real event.  If the event exists, basically, only as an event in the story the Bible tells, that should be made explicit.  &lt;br /&gt;
:As I say, I consider myself a christian in a sort of Thomas Jefferson sense, and don't require him to have been supernatural or even for the bible to have been accurate in order to be able to glean moral lessons from the story of his life.  I realize that my opinion is not as important as the bible's in this regard, certainly as far as conveying the story of Christ, but the important thing is that the story is, basically, the bible's version.  An important version to be sure, but it does a disservice to not make that clear, I rather think.  Given too how I don't actually see how saying something like &amp;quot;The Bible says Jesus was X&amp;quot; instead of simply &amp;quot;Jesus was X&amp;quot; in any way changes a persons interpretation of Christ or his story in any significant way.  I'm not saying to call it a lie, just to acknowledge that the primary basis for the claims is the bible itself.--[[User:RexMundane|Rex Mundane]] 17:21, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Jesus' divinity is known by revelation, making it a fact that we can be certain about.  If you wish to talk about sources, a section would be appropriate, where we can talk about the witness of the Bible, the Church Fathers, and any of the many miracles wrought in his name in the two thousand years since his resurrection.  But, just as we would not qualify every statement about Julius Caesar being emperor of Rome, we should not qualify what we say about the Son of God. [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 19:42, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The distinction is that Ceaser being the emperor of rome is not disputed by anyone, whereas the nature of the divinity of Christ, even among Christians, is under dispute.  &amp;quot;Jesus' divinity is known by revelation,&amp;quot; only to those who know it, not to everyone.  Among even people who believe in the truth of his teachings there are legitimate arguments as to whether or not the account of the bible regarding the virgin birth, miracles, etc., is true, or even necessary.  All I'm asking for is that such statements of divinity which historians and christians themselves have disagreements on simply be clarified as being the bible's account.  Saying its not necessary simply because the majority of christians believe in it sends us down the rabbit hole of deciding which religion is &amp;quot;true&amp;quot; by majority as well.  I'm sorry, please help me here, why is there such opposition to simply adding the phrase &amp;quot;According to the Bible&amp;quot; once or twice?--[[User:RexMundane|Rex Mundane]] 10:23, 17 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree with Rex.  Stating that Jesus *is* the Son of God unequivocally leaves Conservapedia in the position of endorsing Christianity as objectively true, when in fact this isn't verifiable, and the majority of people on earth are not Christian.  A statement saying &amp;quot;According to the Bible&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;According to the Christian faith&amp;quot; as a preface would make this more objective. [[User:JohnSmith|JohnSmith]] 13:11, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::1) This is a Christian encyclopedia.  2) While you may not think it is 'verifiable', others are not obliged to agree with this conclusion or approach.  3) Truth is not determined by mere popular whimsy, ergo the number of Christians is not directly relevant, though the position of the faith as the plurality, or near plurality position amongst different religions ought to give cause to reevaluate your position, even if you continue with the assumption that sheer number is directly relevant. [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 16:34, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::1) No, it isn't a Christian encyclopedia; it's a conservative encyclopedia QED.  Not all conservatives are Christians, and even if they were it wouldn't make the question of Christ's divinity any more or less objectively verifiable.  2) It isn't just me that believes that the question of Christ's divinity is unverifiable.  Such a question is one of faith, not of science, and as such is purely subjective.  You may personally believe that Christ is your Lord and Savior, and noone is suggesting that you should believe otherwise, but you should recognize that this position can't be objectively proven.  3) I'm not making an argumentum ad populum, I'm simply pointing out that Conservapedia should not be in the business of claiming that one religion is true over all others, and it's sheer hubris to do otherwise.  [[User:JohnSmith|JohnSmith]] 11:39, 22 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::You sound as if you consider your statement (2) to be &amp;quot;objectively verifiable&amp;quot;, since you give no argument for it other than to repeat the assertion.  Whatever the case, what is &amp;quot;objectively verifiable&amp;quot; is that the frontpage contains a Daily Bible Verse.  Please example this [http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070306/26179_Conservapedia_Challenges_%27Anti-Christian%27_Wiki.htm useful text]. [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 13:06, 22 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Regardless of the opinion of the Christian Post, the stated purpose of this website is to provide a counterpoint to perceived liberal bias in Wikipedia, not to advance Christianity as the only true religion.  There are a great many non-Christian conservatives.  If you haven't guessed by now, you're speaking to one.  With regards to verifiability, the fact is that the entire basis upon which the divinity of Christ rests is the Bible itself, which is not an objective source, it's a work of faith.  I appreciate that you have a strong faith, but just as Wikipedia is not a soapbox, Conservapedia should not be one either.  To claim that one religion is true over all others rather than to give a dispassionate overview of the facts surrounding those religions is to stop being an encyclopedia, and to start being a tract.  To state &amp;quot;Christians believe Christ to be the Son of God&amp;quot; is a fact which can be proven.  To state &amp;quot;Christ is the Son of God&amp;quot; may or may not be true, but cannot be proven independant of the Bible.  This in and of itself violates Conservapedia commandment 1.  [[User:JohnSmith|JohnSmith]] 14:12, 22 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The Gospels and the testimonies and facts along centuries are &amp;quot;objectively verifiable&amp;quot;. They are holly books and facts as well as scientifically truth as other history book are according to History science. What you have to remember is that men are undoubtedly flash and soul. Make your statements using both and you will see as John the Apostle teched, the love that is there and that is a reality objectively verifiable. Any man can be a witness of that simple truth. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 14:25, 22 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The Bible may be held by some to be holy, but that view isn't held by all (indeed, it's only held by a minority of the world's population).  Other holy texts do not claim that Jesus was the son of God.  Conservapedia should not be in the business of stating that one holy text is true and others are false, because this is a matter of faith, not fact. [[User:JohnSmith|JohnSmith]] 16:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Jesus was Jewish... his personal religious beliefs are central to a belief in him, yet this article makes no mention of what Jesus believed.  This glaring omission can only be seen as an effort to force history into alignment with current ideals. {{unsigned|Newsdan}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's a little harsh. Yes, Yeshua was Jewish. And as the site grows I'm sure the article will come to reflect this. This is a fairly new site, Newsdan - it didn't appear fully formed and perfect :) [[Image:User Fox.png]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 14:34, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Like most of us did not know he was a Jew. There is nothing wrong with him being Jewish, nothing!--[[User:Will N.|Will N.]] 14:36, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Will... the problem is that the article is locked, and yet was done so without adding this fact.  --[[User:Newsdan|Newsdan]] 14:42, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You can use this talk section to preview to the sysops anything you'd like to add. [[Image:User Fox.png]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 14:44, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'd suggest providing the wording you would like to see included and where this placement would occur.  As Fox has stated, the sysops are more than happy to see that constructive edits are included. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:49, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Jesus was ethnically Jewish, but he came to fulfill the Jewish faith, thereby founding the Christian Church.  [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 17:22, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would have to counter the thought above about 'founding the christian church'. The christian church was formed to save its own butt from the persecution of the Jews. Then, it started to worship what it wanted to worship to separate themselves further(such as xmas and esthar), thus further STRAYING FROM THE TRUTH, and bringing man to what it is right now, a spiritual mess. That said, scripture PREDICTED that this would happen in Hosea 6:1-2. Man has been ripped apart for 2 days(2000 years), and the healing is about to begin.--[[User:Witnessnbr1|Witnessnbr1]] 14:30, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This article has a real problem. Many people question the divinity of Jesus Christ. The opening section of this article should state &amp;quot;According to the Christian faith...&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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To state as fact that Jesus Christ was and is the Son of God has no place in the main article and has no business being in an encyclopedia. This article should be unlocked and appropiate changes made to make this article neutral.&lt;br /&gt;
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The owners and administrators are doing great harm to this website and their positions by allowing their personal opinions to enter into the articles. Credibility, readership and contributions cannot be maintained by allowing non-neutral articles.&lt;br /&gt;
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:You're not an authority on all things encyclopedic, are you?  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:29, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Are you sure that Jesus Christ being the Son of God and the Savior is personal opinion?  Is it your personal opinion that He's not?  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:48, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Ok before a big fight breaks out, Clearview, just keep in mind that while the site says that no personal opinion is allowed, the site owner and most of the administrators here view the Bible as irrefutable fact and while you may disagree, refuting that is only going to get you banned. If you have an idealogical issue with that, then I suggest that you either try to repress it when editing, or perhaps try another wiki, as making edits that refute the divinity of Jesus are only going to result in a ban.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 18:58, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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First, I never stated my position on the divinity of Christ so please do not assume what I believe. Second, my suggestion that the article be introduced by stating that the Christan faith holds that Christ is divine does not refute any fact. Third, belief in Christ does not require fact, only faith &amp;quot;Blessed are those who believe yet do not see&amp;quot;. Clearview 16:32PST 6/19/07.&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, first, we had trolls and vandals come in who picked the CP commandments as the first thing they complained about in general, and articles about the Bible specifically.  Second, you are not an authority as to what constitutes the structure and layout of an encyclopedia.  Third, the changes that you have insisted be made pertaining to Jesus and Judaism articles constitute a violation of commandment #5, because, like it or not, it is your personal opinion and beliefs as to the subject. Therefore it will not be changed.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 21:46, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Hi, I would like to point out that the phrase &amp;quot;According to Christian faith....&amp;quot; does not state a personal opinion. Maybe you could make it something like &amp;quot;For all Christians...&amp;quot;? So it does not sound as questioning, but still pays respect to the fact that people of other/no faith don't view Jesus of Nazareth as the son of god and their savior. --lhb 02:53, 15 Sept 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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:::First, I think Karajou owes an apology to all of us, and especially to Clearview, for acting obnoxiously.  What gives you authority to say that anyone, including yourself and me, is or is not an expert in what constitutes the structure and layout of an encyclopedia.  Then the argument was used that &amp;quot;the changes that you have insisted be made pertaining to Jesus and Judaism articles constitute a violation of commandment #5 because, like it or not, it is your personal opinion and beliefs as to the subject.&amp;quot;  I think we all agree that religion is a controversial topic.  Therefore, it is important to consider all points of view on religion, including those who believe in Jesus Christ as a spiritual leader and those who believe in him as a historical figure with no spiritual background or even those who do not believe he existed at all.  Karajou does not understand that saying that Jesus is believed by Christians is a completely neutral way of addressing the topic.  Therefore, the article is as fair as possible because Christians who do believe in Christ have their arguments mentioned.  Those who do not believe in Christ have their views acknowledged because the article states that Christ's divinity is believed by only some people.  Karajou stated that &amp;quot;Are you sure that Jesus Christ being the Son of God and the Savior is personal opinion?  Is it your personal opinion that He's not?&amp;quot;  It most certainly is a personal opinion, and that he is not is also a personal opinion.  While the article may completely focus on one side of this opinion, it needs some form of disclaimer in the opening paragraph to explain that Jesus and his divinity is not a universally accepted truth. --[[User:Eb12|Eb12]] 18:42, 12 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;&amp;quot;While the site says that no personal opinion is allowed, the site owner and most of the administrators here view the Bible as irrefutable fact and while you may disagree, refuting that is only going to get you banned.&amp;quot;&amp;quot; So, no personal opinion is allowed UNLESS it's the personal opinion of the site owner and administrators? Ha! That's hilarious. Why are you even bothering to pretend that Conservapedia has the remotest commitment to impartiality if you're willing to make statements like that? At least Wikipedia has the decency to PRETEND they're not biased. Unless the site owner and administrators are actually willing to abide by their own commandments, Conservapedia will forever be viewed as a ridiculous propoganda site that maintains it's blinkered dogma by banning anybody who expresses a different point of view. Your editing policy has more in common with communist Russia than modern America (remember a wee thing called 'Freedom of Speech?') I imagine I'll get instantaniously banned for writing such heresy, but I think it's a VERY valid point to be raised.  {{unsigned|Rolandhulme}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Wikipedia is biased in many of its articles; changing the evolution article, for example, to include facts that evolution is false will get instantly reverted.  As to what constitutes a wiki, do you have the right to claim &amp;quot;freedom of speech&amp;quot; in a wiki dedicated to ''Star Wars'' when you post articles related to the U.S. Civil War?  I don't think so.  You're welcome to make positive contributions in this wiki, but you have to realize that editing in any wiki is a priviledge, and not a right.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 14:21, 20 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Karajou - thanks for the response (which was more reasonable than mine, so I apologise. I was just frustrated.) I see your point about freedom of speech, although that's not applicable in this situation. A man posting about the Civil War in a post about Star Wars could be censored on the basis of relevance. The flaws in Conservapedia's page on Jesus are VERY relevant. To fulfil the intention of Conservapedia - to be a reference, rather than a propoganda site, it needs to outline Jesus' life as referenced by the Bible and Christian texts - not just as imperical fact. From what you're saying, it seems clear that the site owner and administrators play the 'It's my site and I'll censor/rewrite as I want to' instead of actually trying to be impartial or factual or follow their own clearly established commandments. That's their right, sure - but it means Conservapedia is entirely useless as an alternative knowledge resource to Wikipedia. Oh, and as for evolution... Wikipedia does explain creationist theory and intelligent design, but considering that evolution is only a theory in the same way gravity is (and I studied history and did some archeology at a theological university, so I'm pretty knowledgable about this stuff) I don't think it's possible to support creationism with any convincing 'facts' - hence deletion. Although that's a topic for another post!  {{unsigned|Rolandhulme}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The opening sentence claims that Jesus IS in fact the son of God. This is a belief, not a fact, and it should therefore be referred to as a belief. e.g. &amp;quot;Jesus Christ is ''believed by Christians to be'' the only Son of God and prophesied Messiah...&amp;quot;  {{unsigned|DerUebermensch}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Only 'begotton' son. The bible is quite specific and some consider it to imply that there are other sons , just not born of woman. This gets quite difficult to explain since Jesus IS God and has always existed , also theres no Mrs God and 'son' has a pretty specific meaning in most languages , but I digresss. [[User:Markr|Markr]] 17:52, 14 October 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Rolandhulme and DerUebermensch (even though he is banned) should read my [[essay:Accuracy vs. neutrality on Conservapedia]].  As for evolution, it is not a theory &amp;quot;in the same way gravity is&amp;quot;: gravity is observed, but goo-to-you evolution isn't.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:10, 15 October 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Teachings of Jesus ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why does the article have no section about the teachings of Jesus? --[[User:The Four Deuces|The Four Deuces]] 17:39, 8 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Good question! Why don't you work on it at [[The Gospels]]? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 17:57, 8 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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We should add a section about how the teachings of Jesus are applied today, especially be liberals using his words to incorrectly support their agenda.&lt;br /&gt;
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This will make the article more practical and informative. Thanks for the consideration! [[User:Lukecorlando|Lukecorlando]] 23:36, 28 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;Jesus Christ is the only Son of God who...&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please consider changing to &amp;quot;Jesus Christ is the only ''begotten'' Son of God who...&amp;quot; for Ge 6:2 talks about other &amp;quot;sons of God.&amp;quot;  &lt;br /&gt;
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{{cquote|Ge 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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I appreciate it.  [[User:FightPerniciousSwarm|FightPerniciousSwarm]] 21:43, 30 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Category removal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please remove the categories: Christianity, Trinity, Christian History, Religion, Biblical persons, and Divine Beings. They are all supercategories of [[:Category:Jesus]]. Also, it would be nice if you could sort the Jesus article at the top, by doing thus: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[Category:Jesus|]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. [[User:TheEvilSpartan|TheEvilSpartan]] 15:39, 7 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Jesus in Islam ==&lt;br /&gt;
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i will further expand the article by adding the Islamic view of Jesus as the Massaiah and a prophit, i will also start a new article about the issue&lt;br /&gt;
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watch your spelling    --[user:PhilipV|PhilipV]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Truth and verifiability ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't think this article should be phrased the way it is. CP commandment #1 states that &amp;quot;everything you post must be true and verifiable&amp;quot;. Is it really verifiably true that &amp;quot;Jesus Christ is the only Son of God&amp;quot;, or that &amp;quot;Jesus physically rose from the dead, making possible salvation and eternal life for those who believe in him&amp;quot;? &lt;br /&gt;
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It may well be true, I don't deny that, but it is not verifiably so, hence the need for [[faith]]. It is in the same category of statement as &amp;quot;The Koran is the perfect, unalterable word of God&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse&amp;quot;. It is not the same category of verifiable statements such as &amp;quot;water boils at 100 degrees celsius&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;China has the highest population of any country in the world&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;
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It is verifiably true that ''Christians believe'' Jesus to be the only Son of God, and that ''According to the New Testament'', Jesus physically rose from the dead, making possible salvation and eternal life for those who believe in him, so why can't the article be written that way? There are precedents. Compare with [[Hell]], which states &amp;quot;''To Christians'', hell is a place where the souls of the wicked are punished eternally for all the sins they perpetrated during their lifetime on Earth.&amp;quot; Or the page on [[Islam]], which mentions &amp;quot;''The Qur'an states that'' Christians will be punished, though the nature of the punishment is not specified.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Why make an exception to the first CP commandment for this page?[[User:Eoinc|Eoinc]] 05:39, 14 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Theory of Jesus? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the same way that evolution is stated to be a mere &amp;quot;theory&amp;quot; since it is not universally accepted, should we not give equal consideration to Jesus and his relation to god. A vast majority may accept he was the son however since a few do not can we not rephrase such statements in a manner like &amp;quot;currently most accept that Jesus was the son of god&amp;quot; or perhaps &amp;quot;the leading theory amongst religious people today is that Jesus was the son of god&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Hebrew or Aramaic?==&lt;br /&gt;
The article has the [[Aramaic]] form of His title but calls it [[Hebrew]]. Aramaic is Meshiha (Aleph) - the article at the end, while Hebrew is HaMashiah - article at the front[[User:BertSchlossberg|BertSchlossberg]] 06:25, 29 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it possible for anybody to actually edit the article in accordance with the Conservapedia guidelines?&lt;br /&gt;
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It begins :'Jesus was the son of God...'&lt;br /&gt;
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That's wrong. Rule No.1 in the guidelines is Attribution. It should read 'Christians believe that Jesus was the son of God.' If you don't bother following the rules of Conservapedia there's no point in even having the bloody thing in the first place.&lt;br /&gt;
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Christians believe that the Biblical figure Jesus Christ, featured in the New Testament of the Bible, was the Son of God, sent to Earth to die for our human sins and show people the path to heaven. Popular Christian lore suggests that Jesus was born in the first century A.D. and it is his birth upon which the modern calendar system is based. &lt;br /&gt;
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According to the new Testament, when he was about thirty, Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, inaugurating his ministry. According to the Bible, Jesus performed various miracles throughout his life, lending support to his claim that he was the son of God.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Bible chronicles that many during Jesus' lifetime did not believe in his divinity and some sought to put him to death. Eventually, Jesus was handed over to the Roman governor Pontius Pilate and crucified. Christian lore states that he died for mankind's sins on the cross, therefore offering a path to heaven to all those who accepted him as their savior.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to the Bible, Jesus physically rose from the dead three days after being entombed and appeared to his disciples on various occasions. The Bible then states that Jesus ascended to Heaven, where he now acts as our mediator and path to heaven.&lt;br /&gt;
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Why are we not able to edit this page? As I said earlier, the entire first paragraph is inconsistent with established conservapedia guidelines and should read:&lt;br /&gt;
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Christians believe that the Biblical figure Jesus Christ, featured in the New Testament of the Bible, was the Son of God, sent to Earth to die for our human sins and show people the path to heaven. Popular Christian lore suggests that Jesus was born in the first century A.D. and it is his birth upon which the modern calendar system is based. &lt;br /&gt;
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According to the new Testament, when he was about thirty, Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, inaugurating his ministry. According to the Bible, Jesus performed various miracles throughout his life, lending support to his claim that he was the son of God. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Bible chronicles that many during Jesus' lifetime did not believe in his divinity and some sought to put him to death. Eventually, Jesus was handed over to the Roman governor Pontius Pilate and crucified. Christian lore states that he died for mankind's sins on the cross, therefore offering a path to heaven to all those who accepted him as their savior. &lt;br /&gt;
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According to the Bible, Jesus physically rose from the dead three days after being entombed and appeared to his disciples on various occasions. The Bible then states that Jesus ascended to Heaven, where he now acts as our mediator and path to heaven.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Evidence for Jesus flimsy at best.==&lt;br /&gt;
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This whole Christ-as-savior thing kinda irks me. Why is it that the Bible is full of all these miracles which were treated as the greatest spectacles of their day and yet it seems that as soon as media and culture popped up on the scene the whole &amp;quot;magic God&amp;quot; went kinda dormant. It's kinda like how Superman used to fight all kinds of crazy space aliens and stuff and then he just starts taking on topical issues like corporations and terrorism. Why the watering down so suddenly? Aren't we talking about a God with an infinite scope of the universe? Why does he care whether people are smart enough to acknowledge these things? Why doesn't Sodom and Gemorrah happen like, everyday in this day and age? [[User:LinusWilson|LinusWilson]] 16:19, 26 April 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Evidence for Jesus being black?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have read over the article and I see no mention to the possibility of Jesus being black? [[craan|craan]]&lt;br /&gt;
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If you can provide credible evidence, please post it. Thanks.  [[User:Mark7|Mark7]] 17:59, 7 May 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why can't you provide credible evidence that he is white? Technically, he's a Middle Easterner. &lt;br /&gt;
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== Prayer to receive ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Jesus never taught to &amp;quot;Pray to receive Him now&amp;quot;, so why is that under the &amp;quot;Teachings of Jesus&amp;quot; section? [[User:Mark7|Mark7]] 18:12, 7 May 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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In one sense it is true that prayer to receive Jesus is not a teaching from or of Him, but rather a teaching about Him or approach to Him. In another sense, it is a teaching from or of Him, in that the prayer is a definite decision of incorporating Him into our life as He is - Lord and Savior. And that, Jesus did many ways when He was on earth - presenting or interjecting Himself in the &amp;quot;equation&amp;quot; of reaching God and His Kingdom. This shows that the two ways, that &amp;quot;of or from Jesus Himself&amp;quot; (Gospels) and the way &amp;quot;about Jesus&amp;quot; (Epistles) are really one way.[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 12:54, 5 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Any chance of getting this unlocked so some edits can be made?  It's pretty sloppy in formatting.--[[user:TomMoore|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#000066&amp;quot; &amp;gt;Tom Moore&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:TomMoore|fiat justitia ruat coelum]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 17:56, 25 May 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I would like to unlock to add [[:Category:Catholic Church]]-- [[Image:50 star flag.png|14px]] [[User:Jpatt|jp]] 00:07, 18 September 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New section needed - Popular depiction of Jesus ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Jesus has been generally depicted over the years as &amp;quot;as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes&amp;quot; - however this depiction is heavily at odds with the racial characteristics of humans in the [[Judea]] and [[Galilee]] areas at the time of Jesus' life as a mortal man. &amp;quot;According to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples.&amp;quot; This would suggest Jesus is much shorter and darker skinned than traditionally believed.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/1282186.html?page=1&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; [Image:http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_jesuslead-lg.jpg].&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone add this section and upload the linked image and display it alongside? Thankyou. [[User:DefenderofTrue|DefenderofTrue]] 22:23, 4 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Arnold Toynbee]] in his “Study of History” talks about “diversity in unity” and says that an identical religious belief can be given totally different cultural interpretations. Think of black Madonnas in Africa and Brazil and Orthodox images of Christ that look Greek. I lived near a “Sacred Heart” school and their statues were perfectly Anglo-Saxon.&lt;br /&gt;
And did Charlton Heston look Semetic? (Though I do wonder why the bad guys tended to sound British). If God created man in His image, we should be able to reciprocate, whatever we look like. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 23:39, 4 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Perhaps it is best to leave the article as it is, which is to say not mentioning his physical appearance.  After all, the Bible itself chooses that path.  Anything else would just be speculation and detract from the portrayal of Jesus that the Bible does provide. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 07:31, 5 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== transference of a section. Is it O.K.? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I took the Self Consciousness of Jesus section from the Christianity article. Is this O.K. to do? I thought so because I am the editor for the section. But still unsure if this is acceptable procedure for articles. I felt more sure of it for the KAL 007 [[Korean Airlines Flight 007]] articles because I am the main editor. But not so for the articles on the Faith[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 04:35, 29 November 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Christians believe... ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm something of a newbie, but should we start the article with something like &amp;quot;Jesus Christ is, in Christian theology, the only Son of God...&amp;quot; in order to be more accessible to our non-Christian brethren? While I would never deny the divinity of our Lord, I think we could be more ecumenical with such an approach. Opinions? --[[User:DReynolds|DReynolds]] 19:57, 28 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
: It depends on what stance the site wants to take, and Conservapedia takes the stance that Jesus Christ ''is'' the only son of God.  How would your wording make it &amp;quot;more accessible&amp;quot;?  It doesn't alter their ability to access the page.  Further, I doubt that it would make any difference to how much someone was prepared to believe it.  That is, if they won't believe that Jesus is God because we say that He is, why would they believe it if we ''don't'' say that He is?  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:21, 30 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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When I went to the Uncategorized pages tab, I noticed that this page was on there. I looked at it, and it has about six categories. Could someone fix this? [[User:JY23|JY23]] 19:33, 29 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
: It doesn't show up on the uncategorized pages list for me.  Does it still for you?  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:14, 30 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Someone fixed it already, but thanks. By the way, could you put &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[Category:Featured articles]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; on the page? Thanks, [[User:JY23|JY23]] 21:35, 3 March 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I've unprotected it, so you can add that. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:04, 4 March 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The &amp;quot;scourging&amp;quot; section ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I see that the article is protected. Could the following be added on to the scourging section?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;The scourging and physical affliction of Jesus, the not overtly alluded to, may have a significance for benefit to come. There was a prophecy of the Suffering Servant to come:&lt;br /&gt;
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struck down by God, and afflicted. Isaiah 53:4&lt;br /&gt;
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The Gospel of Mattew would see in this prophesy a foretelling of the various healings and deliverances that Jesus gave to the people, &amp;quot;so that what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: He Himself took our weaknesses and carried our diseases (Matt. 8:17)  If not the scourging itself, then all of the sufferings of the Lord, culminating in His sacrifice on the cross, was the source not only for forgiveness, but also for all the many types of healings and restorations for the people.&amp;quot;[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 07:37, 4 March 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I've unprotected it, so you can edit it yourself.  But if the vandalism resumes, it will need to be protected again.  Before you add, though, please check your spelling (first sentence)!  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:06, 4 March 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Question ==&lt;br /&gt;
Should we really act like Jesus is real? He is a fairy tale after all. [[User:Mannerismxk909|Mannerismxk909]] 16:17, 18 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:How is this related to writing the article? (If you're just stating your opinion, you might want to start a debate, as in [[Debate:Should we act like Jesus is real?]] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 16:20, 18 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Done. [[User:Mannerismxk909|Mannerismxk909]] 16:23, 18 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Could this article be opened ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Could this article be opened to put [[Essay: The Way of Salvation]] under &amp;quot;See Also&amp;quot;[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 19:30, 5 July 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Most portrayers of the life of Jesus neglect to point out that Jesus is in every characteristic a genuinely Jewish character, that a man like him could have grown only in the soil of Judaism, only there and nowhere else. Jesus is a genuine Jewish personality, all his struggles and works, his bearing and feeling, his speech and silence, bear the stamp of a Jewish style, the mark of Jewish idealism, of the best that was and is in Judaism, but which then existed only in Judaism.&lt;br /&gt;
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He was a Jew among Jews; from no other people could a man like him have come forth, and in no other people could a man like him work; in no other people could he have found the apostles who believed in him.&amp;quot;   - Rabbi Leo Baeck. http://www.jewsforjesus.co.za/index.asp&lt;br /&gt;
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An excellent article, but no mention is made of the family's flight to Egypt, then returning to Nazareth - thus the name &amp;quot;Jesus of Nazareth&amp;quot;. I would suggest that this be mentioned in the section about Jesus' life. [[User:Userafw|Userafw]] 22:38, 8 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'd like a go at it - if the article is unlocked when I get back in a couple of weeks[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 00:44, 14 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Can article be opened up again for edits? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I would like to put in &amp;quot;Appearances of Jesus to His followers&amp;quot; section inbetween the Resurrection and Ascension sections[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 17:05, 27 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Okay, Bert!  Go to it, and please leave me a message on my talk page when you are done. --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 17:35, 27 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Again, is it possible to open up article for edits?[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 12:48, 9 December 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Done. Thank you![[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 13:46, 9 December 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This article needs work ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The tone needs to be more objective, such as it is in the sister article [[Christianity]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Can be unlocked?==&lt;br /&gt;
Can this article be unlocked for an edit?[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 17:15, 7 January 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would like to do a section on the Flight to Egypt. Could this article be opened for edits?[[User:BertSchlossberg|BertSchlossberg]] 19:05, 18 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Done. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 19:31, 18 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you![[User:BertSchlossberg|BertSchlossberg]] 19:42, 18 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Good for pictures==&lt;br /&gt;
I think that the paintings are a great enhancement to this article. It would be good if there are other paintings found for the remaining sections that still lack them[[User:BertSchlossberg|BertSchlossberg]] 19:46, 18 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The end of the first paragraph says, &amp;quot;Jesus then personally set the ultimate example for mankind by triumphing over the greatest evil imaginable, the Roman scourging and crucifixion.&amp;quot; It reads as if the greatest evils imaginable were scourging and crucifixion, which of course is untrue. I suggest, &amp;quot;Jesus triumped over the [[Devil]], and personally set the ultimate example for mankind, by enduring the horrific process of scourging and death by crucifixion under the ancient Roman regime in obedience to God's will.&amp;quot; [[User:NHope|NHope]] 23:39, 2 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Done. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 08:21, 3 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== According to the bible ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I understand this is a very Christian place, however would it be possible to add a &amp;quot;according to the Bible&amp;quot; to the start of the page? [[User:RileyS|RileyS]] 09:51, 15 November 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:You can ask an Administrator to unprotect it for you. You could ask [[User talk:Aschlafly|Mr. Schlafly]] about it. Again, please sign your comments like I told you.--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 09:44, 15 November 2011 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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== God doesn't exist ==&lt;br /&gt;
Because God doesn't exist Jesus can't be claimed as the son of god. For this reason the article should approach the biblical character of Jesus in the same way it would approach the character of any other timeless work of literature.&lt;br /&gt;
:You can't really prove that God doesn't exist, nor can you prove that he does. That's the entire faith problem, it requires an act of faith. Proof for God's existence is as likely to be found as is proof for the existence of French-speaking pebbles floating around in space. It's an amazing and expanding universe after all (Monty Python, The meaning of Life(the Galaxy song)). Jesus however did exist, but I think God would have better things to do with his time than killing of his child.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Are you trying to fling stones at us, Mr Wilson, by the forcing of your religious beliefs on us?  Like it or not, that child you so readily condemn died so that we could gain eternal life, as recorded in the Gospels which you also condemn.  You will meet Jesus Christ one day, and whether or not you meet Him as savior or judge depends on whether or not you ask Him to be your savior.  It's your free choice.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:32, 26 July 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Atheists denying existence of historical Jesus?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I seriously challenge this and would like to see some evidence for it. As the article correctly notes, the historical evidence for the life of Jesus of Nazareth is very good. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 06:08, 22 February 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Go look at the section on wikipedia discussing the historicity of Jesus.  This is the typical secular/humanist/evolutionist/atheist pap.  [[User:FightPerniciousSwarm|FightPerniciousSwarm]] 21:47, 30 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Atheists do not deny the historical person.... in fact, quite the opposite. Atheists tend to believe that, someone who is remembered by so much oral and textual history, must've been a real person. However, just like the characters of Homer's Illiad, simply because someone was real, does not make them progeny of any deity. In fact, evidence proving Jesus was a real, historical person only conflicts with ideas that he could magically heal the sick, walk on water, turn water to wine, etc. In other words, it is those who believe Jesus had supernatural powers that do the most disservice to his historical persona.  Were everyone to claim that Jesus was an excellent preacher with some incredibly great ideas, no one would argue his existence!  --[[User:Newsdan|Newsdan]] 14:39, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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As an athiest, I do deny the existence of historical Jesus. But only because every shred of &amp;quot;proof&amp;quot; has been found to be either false, or so vague that it cannot be interpreted as actual proof. Most make references to &amp;quot;Christ&amp;quot; which is was common title, &amp;quot;the anoited one,&amp;quot; not a name. --[[User:Niffed|Niffed]] 23:38, 21 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Niffed, if you don't believe that Jesus Christ exists, why do you spend time on the attempt to disprove something that you believe doesn't exist? Do you think that much about Hobbits, even though Hobbits don't exist? If you really want to know if God exists, ask Him with an honest heart. God promises, that He will make himself known to those who honestly seek Him.[[User:MartialArtist|MartialArtist]] 20:00, 31 October 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Niffed|Niffed]] I would disagree with you but you don't exist and I see no proof that you do. When you can prove you exist then I'll listen to what you have to say - that is if you existed.--[[User:Rickswartzentrover|Rickswartzentrover]] 20:25, 4 November 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The article still says &amp;quot;Occasionally someone denies the existence of Jesus, but few scholars take this seriously.&amp;quot; No source is cited. ''Who,'' exactly, denies the existence of an historical Jesus of Nazareth? If this belief is widely held someone, somewhere ought to have published something about it and the publication ought to be cited. &lt;br /&gt;
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There's no need to introduce this section with a straw man. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 21:24, 4 March 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Want confirmation of this? Go to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ#Historicity this section of Wikipedia's article on Jesus]. It's true that some people deny his existence. It's not a widely held belief; it's only held by a small, and I do emphasize ''small'', minority. [[User:Scorpionman|Scorpionman]] 11:17, 7 March 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::When using Wikipedia as confirmation of a fact, I try to follow the trail of cited sources. In this case, the trail leads to Wikipedia's article on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus Historicity of Jesus], thence to a footnote, which quotes the source as saying&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The nonhistoricity thesis has always been controversial, and it has consistently failed to convince scholars of many disciplines and religious creeds. ... Biblical scholars and classical historians now regard it as effectively refuted.&amp;quot; - Robert E. Van Voorst, Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2000), p. 16.&lt;br /&gt;
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::I don't think &amp;quot;Biblical scholars and classical historians now regard it as effectively refuted&amp;quot; supports the statement that &amp;quot;a small minority [of scholars] argue that Jesus never existed as a historical figure...&amp;quot; Neither of the Wikipedia articles names any scholars, or anyone else, who hold that Jesus of Nazareth was not a real figure in history.&lt;br /&gt;
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::I still will think it's a straw man unless someone produces some reasonably mainstream, reasonably modern examples of people challenging the historicity of Jesus. Wikipedia's neutrality policy says you can include &amp;quot;facts about opinions&amp;quot; when the opinions are ''reasonably'' widely held. I think the idea of there not being an historical Jesus of Nazareth is so rarely held that it is not worth mentioning. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 11:48, 7 March 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I think you have serious defintional issues here that may alter whether or not this is at all a commonly held view. For example, do we mean that Jesus is a figure made up out of whole cloth? I don't think anyone seriously argues for that. Do we mean that he is a historical figure but many details of other preachers at the time got glommed onto his life-story? Many more would agree with this. Do we mean that Jesus is a compilation of the lives of a variety of people from that time period and one of their names happened to stick? I think you would get a lot for this last one. So when denying historicity you need to be very careful what you mean. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 14:15, 7 March 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: OK. Originally I was commenting on the phrase &amp;quot;Many atheists claim that there is no evidence of Jesus outside the Bible.&amp;quot; That has since been softened to &amp;quot;Occasionally someone denies the existence of Jesus.&amp;quot; I was, indeed, interpreting this to mean &amp;quot;invented in whole cloth.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: If the article were editable I'd propose simply excising the sentence &amp;quot;Occasionally someone denies the existence of Jesus, but few scholars take this seriously&amp;quot; since I don't see that it adds anything to the section. Presumably a finished section would make it clear which details of the Gospel accounts are widely accepted by scholars as historical and which are debated. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 12:40, 11 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::The evidence presented so far in the article is hardly compelling. It needs to be expanded, or the assertion that &amp;quot;few scholars take this seriously&amp;quot; will need to be qualified. --[[User:John|John]] 22:52, 12 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Whether there are or are not people who question the historical existence of Jesus is not as important to this article as is the fact that there is no citation of where this claim comes from. Scorpionman, if you are suggesting I should go to Wikipedia to check the information, then what use does this Conservapedia article have in the first place? --[[User:GarbageMan|GarbageMan]] 10:14 5 April 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even we Atheists and Jews do not deny the '''existence''' of Jesus, merely the idea that he was the son of God.&lt;br /&gt;
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There are other conservative religious perspectives as well, could the article be expanded to include those?  In particular Muslims accept the existance of Jesus as a Prophet but deny that he is the son of God.  &lt;br /&gt;
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I am an Atheist.   I believe in Jesus.   I just don't believe he was a deity.   [[User:AnAtheist|AnAtheist]] 20:08, 3 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is no independent (i.e., non-Christian) evidence of the existence of Jesus because he was not well known during his life.  Roman and Jewish scholars who wrote about him long after his death relied on Christians sources for his existence.  However, I cannot see why this should matter, since this is a matter of faith.  --[[User:The Four Deuces|The Four Deuces]] 17:36, 8 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is no evidence that jesus was anything other than a man other than one book, the bible which could very well have been a collection of childrens stories used to teach morals.&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't believe  that UFOs exist but I don't spend hours trying to convince others that UFO's don't exist - Why because I don't HATE UFOs, I simply don't believe they exist. See all the so-called Atheists know that God exists and they are scared to death, that is why they spend all their time trying to convince themselves that he doesn't exist. Show me a Atheist and I'll show you a God-hating Christaphobic bigot.--[[User:Rickswartzentrover|Rickswartzentrover]] 21:07, 4 November 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Locked ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone unlock this article? It needs more information. [[User:Scorpionman|Scorpionman]] 11:21, 7 March 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Apparently... the key to unlocking this page is true faith.&lt;br /&gt;
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The very fact that this article is locked means I'm leaving this website and never returning again.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Some one needs to unlock this page if it is on the main page: Lets all improve these articles. --[[User:Will N.|Will N.]] 09:17, 3 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Funny how this page is locked depsite conservapedia asking for people to edit it. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;previous unsigned comment added by&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; [[User:Wikipediaisbetter]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Funny how Wikipedia's article is also locked... They are better exactly how..? [[User:Fox|Fox]] 10:11, 25 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Jesus is a pretty popular object of vandalism, I say keep it locked and people can propose changes here. That is one of the reasons for talk pages. --[[User:BenjaminS|Ben]] &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User Talk:BenjaminS|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 10:58, 25 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Josephus ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The line about Josephus is misleading and false.  No doubt you refer to the &amp;quot;Testimoniam Flavianum,&amp;quot; in which Josephus trumpets Jesus as the messiah for one paragraph, and then moves on.  It's worth noting that the TF is not believed by any serious scholars, and has been shown to be a forgery added by medieval monks... note that this does *NOT* undercut the importance of Jesus at all!  He was barely known in his time, and the fact that Josephus wouldn't write about him is unsurprising.  Josephus was known to be an anti-revolutionary who hated all the messianic figures of his time, and won his fame by being the lone Jew to decry them...&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/JewishJesus/josephus.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:When you say &amp;quot;serious scholars&amp;quot; you mean Liberal God-hating Scholars don't you. I know of 1000s of serious scholars that know it is genuine. That is just the typical ploy of the left whenever they don't like something. I can do it also watch - The myth that Alexander the great ever existed is not believed by any serious scholars, and has been shown to be a forgery added by medieval Atheist of the Enlightenment cult. See how easy it is to just hide you head under your blanket &amp;amp; say the boogy man isn't real.&lt;br /&gt;
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Excuse me, but do you think it's worth mentioning that Jesus was probably Jewish?  He merely provided the foundation of Christianity.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Jewish? ''Jewish''? He was the Son of God, for pete's sake (sorry, nearly used the other, rather more obvious expression)! Haven't you seen all those pictures of him with the fair hair and blue eyes? And so, with Joseph not being his father an' all, he can only have been ''half''-Jewish at best, can he? (pardon my irony!) So it's no wonder, is it, that, thanks largely to Paul, the poor Jews can't make head or tail of what Christians have managed to do with him  - let alone with ''their'' scriptures!--[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 12:55, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wouldn't that be racist? --[[User:Luke-Jr|Luke-Jr]] 13:02, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No. Just taking the p... out of racists! Irony. British thing. Don't worry your head about it! (''Of course'' the man was Jewish!). --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 13:44, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Having been born in that part of the world, the Roman province of Palestine, he more likely had semitic features was short (everyone was short at the time), olive skinned with dark hair. Plus, he observed Passover, and read in the synagogue. [[User:Vjay|Vjay]] 22:23, 14 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Matrilineal descent is what counts, I believe. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 13:00, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's funny - I could have sworn that Matthew traces his descent through his father (or rather through the man who allegedly wasn't his father in the first place) while Luke does the same, but citing an incompatible number of generations and entirely different names! (pardon my irony again!) --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 13:11, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, you'd have thought they'd have said so, then, wouldn't you?  Especially as they both say it's through Joseph, and there are far more generations in the one than in the other! (Honestly, the squirming that goes on to try and justify Christian dogma in the face of what the scriptures actually say!) ;) --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 13:44, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is this page locked?  I thought that perhaps one should add, after explaining that &amp;quot;Jesus&amp;quot; is the Greek form of the Hebrew name &amp;quot;Joshua,&amp;quot; that &amp;quot;Christ&amp;quot; comes from the Greek &amp;quot;christos,&amp;quot; meaning &amp;quot;the annointed one&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Absolutely. Or rather that ''christos'' is the Greek translation of Hebrew ''mashiach'', meaning 'anointed' and thus '[[Messiah]]' (and not, of course, Joshua's surname!!). Ironic, isn't it, that we know the two names mainly through the 'enemy' Greek culture that faithful Hebrews were most anxious to combat at the time? --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 07:18, 14 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Christ the Redeemer?? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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'''A NOTE TO THE ADMINS:''' Why are so many essential articles locked? If someone wanted to v-andalise an article on Jesus they'd do it on Wikipedia where they'd get more airtime. This article is so woefully inadequate it's almost laughable. What about the teachings of Jesus, summarised? What about, oh, the prophets of the old testament foretelling his coming? What about the revelation of God's character through the old testament brought to fruition in Christ?&lt;br /&gt;
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If you want to lock these articles, fine, I don't care. But make sure they're up to scratch before you do so. Otherwise you'll just drive people away like our friend earlier. [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:54, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Help for this article is on the way, so be patient!  :) [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 21:56, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==The name Jesus==&lt;br /&gt;
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Considering that Christianity is 2000 years old, the name Jesus for Jesus Christ is not a very old word in English. In Old English he was called hæland “saviour”, from the Proto-Germanic root hailjan “to heal, to save”. &lt;br /&gt;
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After the Norman conquest, the French form Iesu  or Iesus was adopted. This derived from Latin Iosus, which the Romans adopted from the Greek Iesous.  The Greeks derived the name from the late Hebrew or Aramaic name Yoshua, today’s version of which is “Joshua”.  The earlier Aramaic form was Jehoshua (Y’hoshua) or Joshua., deriving from Hebrew Jah, short for Jahweh, and  Aramaic y’shuoh meaning “salvation”. The name thus meant “Jah is salvation”.  Both Joshua and Jehoshua were common names in the time of Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;
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In 16th century written English both Iesu and Iesus were used, for example in Tyndale’s New Testament of 1526. J did not replace I until the 17th century and the form with the final s became common in the 18th century.  &lt;br /&gt;
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In Middle English documents, Jesus was often written IHS, an abbreviation of Greek IHSOYS (Iesous).  However, in spoken English between the 11th and 17th centuries, the letter I could sound like either an I or a J, so the pronunciation of Iesus was similar to today’s sound.  Welsh still retains the Iesu form but pronounces it “yessy”. &lt;br /&gt;
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:''Very'' interesting, but, alas, factual - so it doesn't have much chance of being included here! --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 11:19, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just curious, especially considering how big a deal the A.D./C.E. thing is here, but why is there no mention of Christs Birthdate?  Would think its sort of important given how much attention you've been heeding it.  Best Scholarly guess seems to be late September in 05 B.C., which is odd I think, since that not only would grammatically read as him being born five years before he was born (a lesser miracle?) but also would imply that A.D. and C.E. are equally, inaccurately, based on the date of Christ's birth, with only A.D. claiming as much, and incorrectly at that.&lt;br /&gt;
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The date would have been around Sept. 15 or 16 of 5 b.c., going by the signs in the heavens and the lunar cycle, and adjusting it to a Roman calendar date. The important thing to remember is that Yahshua was FULFILLING TORAH, thus, 'the day of his DEATH is better than the day of his birth', meaning we should continue in observing PASSOVER. 'Do this in remembrance of me...'  --[[User:Witnessnbr1|Witnessnbr1]] 14:20, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am reinserting the reference to ''Case for Christ''. It is not a &amp;quot;book review&amp;quot; to mention the book in one or two sentences. In fact, I think Conservapedia should serve as a jumping off point to further research on subjects, and that book is in itself a jumping off point to further research. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 01:11, 10 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This ought to be Jesus Christ, not just Jesus. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:20, 10 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well from what I understand Christ is a [[Messiah|title]] not part of a name. It would be like renaming the George W. Bush article to President George W. Bush. If you're worried about someone typing in Jesus Christ and not able to get to the article that's not happening as Jesus Christ redirects to Jesus. [[User:Sulgran|Sulgran]] 03:33, 10 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:*Sulgran, it is a highly secular idea of what it means.  His name is '''Jesus Christ''' to hundreds of millions of people throughout the World.  I don't think some online encyclopedia has a right to truncate his name. As Christians, we hold to these basic tenets: &lt;br /&gt;
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:In that case, we should refer to 'King David Christ', too, since he called himself that (in the Hebrew, ''mashiach'') throughout the Psalms. But it wasn't his name, any more than it was Jesus's. The word is a ''Greek translation'', of all things! (But then, to be fair, so is 'Jesus'!). --[[User:Petrus|Petrus]] 12:29, 10 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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'Christ' simply means 'anointed', like in Daniel, 'an anointed one'. His name should be Yahshua of Nazareth, as He was never a GREEK. --[[User:Witnessnbr1|Witnessnbr1]] 14:23, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Due to article improvement drive I am unprotecting this article.  Please watch for vandals. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:08, 29 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It looks like it has been locked again.  There are a few ignorant spelling errors I would like to correct. [[User:MontyZuma|MontyZuma]] 19:09, 2 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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is an example of simple logic. There could be any number of reasons why he would submit to his execution. I don't think even Christian's think he only did it to prove that he would be resurrected. He submitted to be executed simply because it would wash away the sins of man. This statement should be removed. [[User:MatteeNeutra|MatteeNeutra]] 12:58, 29 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Surely Jesus while on Earth was a man born of woman and both feared and felt pain as a man would. Saying he went willingly because he knew he would rise again surely cheapens the sacrifice he made for us. He gave his life willingly and with great suffering for us without knowing what would become of him and, in this, made the most selfless sacrifice in all of history.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not a theologian but I would like to see a scholar of the Bible (as supposed to a simple follower like me) look at what I've suggested and see if the Bible supports this. I always believed that the human aspect of him made the sacrifice all the greater (and the sadder as such a great man died to such mockery and in such pain). --[[User:Trashbat|Trashbat]] 19:17, 2 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:This statement was put in again (although under a different guise). I removed it as it is neither logic, or the reason Jesus was crucified. [[User:MatteeNeutra|MatteeNeutra]] 18:35, 11 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If Jesus was the son of God, but also part of God himself, and God is all powerful, why did Jesus need to sacrifice himself to himself to amend a rule he made himself?--[[User:Xodion|Xodion]] 00:30, 2 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Jesus did not have to sacrifice himself. He could have snapped his fingers. The point is that by dying on the cross, Jesus gave us that powerful image of our redemption. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 00:32, 2 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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In this discussion, it is good to remember a number of things. &amp;quot;HImself to Himself&amp;quot; implies the Trinity. This cannot be well or fully understood, but that does not mean it cannot be believed in. I believe in &amp;quot;One God in three Persons&amp;quot; yet even what I believe is not with full understanding. Jesus sacrificing Himself to Himself according to the rules He has made does point to an aspect which may have the solution that Xodion is searching for. The key is forgiveness. What we mean by forgiveness, what forgiveness really is. Whether forgivenss is of man or God, what it is is always a dying to oneself, a sacrifice of what is dear to you, part of you, of your innermost sense of what should be, must be.  If that is not so, it is not forgiveness. It is forgetting, or not caring, or looking the other way, or indulgence, cavalier, meaning nothing. For God to truly forgive us, something in Himself, in a very real sense, had to experience a death. And so Jesus on the Cross - bearing our sins and for our sakes[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 06:25, 4 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The top picture should be on the right more so the text can be on the left. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:16, 1 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*LOL...its okay for the pic to be on the left, as it was originally. ;-) --[[User:TK|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Sysop-&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;TK]] &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 19:27, 1 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::TK, i certainly don't want to get into a edit war over something trivial.  But people do read from left to right and at first I missed the upper text.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:39, 1 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Glad to see you unprotected the article for the &amp;quot;Article improvement drive&amp;quot;.  I would make some edits but need to hit the sack. [[User:Ian St John|Ian St John]] 19:00, 10 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Other people in the Bible name Jesus ==&lt;br /&gt;
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While this is interesting, it's not appropriate for an article on Jesus Christ, which itself can get rather long.  I did include a brief acknowledgement of Joshua and Messiah in the opening paragraph so your additions in regard to Jesus Christ are not lost. I hope this makes sense to you. Thanks  [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 16:26, 14 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I wrote a new lead.  I hope its not to bold, but I wanted to get the point about just who Jesus is right upfront.  [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 20:10, 14 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:While I am a Christian, I'm still thinking perhaps we should start with the words &amp;quot;In Christian theology&amp;quot;, before your new lead.  [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 02:34, 15 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Learn together, please don't fall for the realitivists here.  This is a Christian, Conservative encyclopedia.  Ignore those wanting neutral statements, okay?  --[[User:TK|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Sysop-&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;TK]] &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 06:23, 15 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Can you objectively, empirically demonstrate the claim that Christ was born of a virgin, was the incarnation of God and, through dying, absolved the sins of his believers past, present and future?  Its perfectly fine to believe this, sure, but to claim it as outright fact is wrong, and not simply because the only source for these grand claims is the Bible (a book which contains within it numerous self-contradictory and inaccurate passages, but thats another discussion) but also that to attempt to pin him down as a concrete character defies the various interpretations which have lead to the factioning of the church based on different eschatologies.  Different christian religions all see christ in different lights.  Some believe he was a miracle worker, some a philosopher/teacher, some see him as a pure man of God and some as God himself.  &lt;br /&gt;
:Don't get me wrong, TK, I'm fully in favor of an un-neutral encyclopedia that promotes a specific &amp;quot;Christian, Conservative&amp;quot; narrative by selectively cherrypicking evidence and ignoring context to suggest as fact things that are not necessarily the case, and certainly the article can stay such as it is, offending the intellectual sensibilities of people like Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin who saw truth in Christ's teachings but had &amp;quot;doubts as to his divinity,&amp;quot; by committing the intellectual dishonesty of stating these things as outright fact which only cite one text as the source for these extraordinary claims.  &lt;br /&gt;
:I just think though that if beliefs are going to be stated as fact that CPedia needs to come out front and decide which particular kind of christianity its going to promote as singularly true.  Which particular protestant reformations will CPedia then be in a position to declare as false?  Which Catholic sects?  Methodism?  Lutheranism?  Mormonism?  Making an &amp;quot;un-neutral&amp;quot; statement does get that snowball rolling after all, and if you've decided, TK, that neutrality is a bad thing, then riddle me this:  Which conservapedia contributors... no... which CPedia Sysops will have the fun to find that the CPedia says their particular belief in Christ is outright wrong?  I would really like to know.  You all going to vote on which religion is &amp;quot;true&amp;quot; are you?  I mean clearly here &amp;quot;true&amp;quot; is decided by the ideaology of the sysops as a group, and its not very likely that you all go to the exact same church, so who is it, specifically, who gets to have their Christian faith called false here?  Inquiring minds want to know.&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think you got off on a tangent there.  The majority of practicing Christians would have no trouble with the portrayal of Jesus put forth by Lostcaesar; there's no need to identify every variant and condition to the point where gridlock trumps common sense.  And saying only one text is cited for Jesus is like taking all of the works of ancient Greece and putting them in one volume, then saying there's only one source that discusses ancient Greece. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 02:24, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I apologize if I was unclear.  I realize that there is archeological evidence that Jesus existed, but the problem isn't whether he lived or not.  Its his divinity.  The only source for such a claim is a selection of specific accounts of his life (others who witnessed him do not mention miracles, as an example) of which there is no supporting evidence.  The only you can say about his divinity, therefore, is that the bible claims it to be so and that people believe it.  Stating it as manifest fact simply because the majority agrees would be like, if the majority were also Star Trek fans, saying that Capt. James T Kirk is a real person.  Facts are not democratic and demand quantification.&lt;br /&gt;
:My other problem with &amp;quot;majority&amp;quot; being used to argue the stament of beliefs as fact in this sense is that you admit there are a minority of Christians (myself among them) who do not necessarily believe in the divinity of Christ.  Say then that another section goes up in the article about how He should be worshipped then.  Do you populate that section with the majority religion at the expense of the others?  Say Catholicism over Protestantism?  Then that majority further divides over reformations and yields another majority, which then divides over another issue and then another, and before long you have Russian Nesting dolls, each being a majority, until the &amp;quot;minorities&amp;quot; put together outnumber the &amp;quot;majorities&amp;quot; 10 to 1.  &lt;br /&gt;
:When you allow lapsed standards for statements of fact such as this merely on the basis of it being the opinion of the majority, you get exactly that situation in the long run.  I notice, of course, that if a liberal were to make a similar unverifiable, intellectually dishonest claim on this site, he'd be hunted down with dogs.  For consistancy's sake, for legitimacy's sake, and not least of all for Christ's sake, the only thing that should be said as fact about Christ's divinity is that the bible claims it to be so.--[[User:RexMundane|Rex Mundane]] 11:38, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::What will we write?  &amp;quot;Jesus is the Son of God&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;some claim he said that he was the Son of God.&amp;quot; ? [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 12:40, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think the best and simplest thing to say is some variant of &amp;quot;According to the Bible, Jesus was the son of god, born of a virgin, etc.&amp;quot; since I agree the bible is the most pivotal reference for alot of the history attributed to him.  The important thing to realize is that, and I dont mean this to be as condescenting as it might sound, but Jesus here is basically a character in a book, and as such since the only real source for the bulk of the extraordinary claims is that same book, the very simple quantifier &amp;quot;According to the bible...&amp;quot; used sparingly just to establish that context would, I think, be the best course of action.  Fair?--[[User:RexMundane|Rex Mundane]] 13:41, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry to follow you here, RexMundane, I'll cease with this observation.  I generally agree with your modest tone here, and do not take offense.  I would like to add one clarification, though.  While the Bible is most often published in a single book, it is actually a collection of books (or scrolls), letters, etc.  The phrasing &amp;quot;According to the Bible...&amp;quot; seems to ickypedian to me.  This is a conservative encyclopedia.  I am not sure we need to cite the source of the statement in line, but perhaps we do.  I don't think conservapedia is about doubting the historocity of Jesus.  Am I wrong?  [[User:HeartOfGold|HeartOfGold]] 15:57, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well the claim of Jesus's divinity though is entirely based on the aggregate statements made by the bible.  I agree that there was a Jesus, that significant events in the story of his life, as recanted in the bible, have been verified by archeological record, and it is entirely honest to say as much.  Claiming he was born of a virgin, is the son of God, etc., however rather demands a quantifier since it is, and I say this recognizing this as a &amp;quot;christian&amp;quot; cyclopedia, only a claim being made by one source (I am here refering to the selection of texts in the bible as a single group) and significant as that source is to discussing the nature of Jesus, I maintain that it is wrong to say these things as objective fact when, outside of the claims made by that one source, there is no other empirical proof to say that, for instance, the ressurection was a real event.  If the event exists, basically, only as an event in the story the Bible tells, that should be made explicit.  &lt;br /&gt;
:As I say, I consider myself a christian in a sort of Thomas Jefferson sense, and don't require him to have been supernatural or even for the bible to have been accurate in order to be able to glean moral lessons from the story of his life.  I realize that my opinion is not as important as the bible's in this regard, certainly as far as conveying the story of Christ, but the important thing is that the story is, basically, the bible's version.  An important version to be sure, but it does a disservice to not make that clear, I rather think.  Given too how I don't actually see how saying something like &amp;quot;The Bible says Jesus was X&amp;quot; instead of simply &amp;quot;Jesus was X&amp;quot; in any way changes a persons interpretation of Christ or his story in any significant way.  I'm not saying to call it a lie, just to acknowledge that the primary basis for the claims is the bible itself.--[[User:RexMundane|Rex Mundane]] 17:21, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Jesus' divinity is known by revelation, making it a fact that we can be certain about.  If you wish to talk about sources, a section would be appropriate, where we can talk about the witness of the Bible, the Church Fathers, and any of the many miracles wrought in his name in the two thousand years since his resurrection.  But, just as we would not qualify every statement about Julius Caesar being emperor of Rome, we should not qualify what we say about the Son of God. [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 19:42, 16 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The distinction is that Ceaser being the emperor of rome is not disputed by anyone, whereas the nature of the divinity of Christ, even among Christians, is under dispute.  &amp;quot;Jesus' divinity is known by revelation,&amp;quot; only to those who know it, not to everyone.  Among even people who believe in the truth of his teachings there are legitimate arguments as to whether or not the account of the bible regarding the virgin birth, miracles, etc., is true, or even necessary.  All I'm asking for is that such statements of divinity which historians and christians themselves have disagreements on simply be clarified as being the bible's account.  Saying its not necessary simply because the majority of christians believe in it sends us down the rabbit hole of deciding which religion is &amp;quot;true&amp;quot; by majority as well.  I'm sorry, please help me here, why is there such opposition to simply adding the phrase &amp;quot;According to the Bible&amp;quot; once or twice?--[[User:RexMundane|Rex Mundane]] 10:23, 17 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree with Rex.  Stating that Jesus *is* the Son of God unequivocally leaves Conservapedia in the position of endorsing Christianity as objectively true, when in fact this isn't verifiable, and the majority of people on earth are not Christian.  A statement saying &amp;quot;According to the Bible&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;According to the Christian faith&amp;quot; as a preface would make this more objective. [[User:JohnSmith|JohnSmith]] 13:11, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::1) This is a Christian encyclopedia.  2) While you may not think it is 'verifiable', others are not obliged to agree with this conclusion or approach.  3) Truth is not determined by mere popular whimsy, ergo the number of Christians is not directly relevant, though the position of the faith as the plurality, or near plurality position amongst different religions ought to give cause to reevaluate your position, even if you continue with the assumption that sheer number is directly relevant. [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 16:34, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::1) No, it isn't a Christian encyclopedia; it's a conservative encyclopedia QED.  Not all conservatives are Christians, and even if they were it wouldn't make the question of Christ's divinity any more or less objectively verifiable.  2) It isn't just me that believes that the question of Christ's divinity is unverifiable.  Such a question is one of faith, not of science, and as such is purely subjective.  You may personally believe that Christ is your Lord and Savior, and noone is suggesting that you should believe otherwise, but you should recognize that this position can't be objectively proven.  3) I'm not making an argumentum ad populum, I'm simply pointing out that Conservapedia should not be in the business of claiming that one religion is true over all others, and it's sheer hubris to do otherwise.  [[User:JohnSmith|JohnSmith]] 11:39, 22 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::You sound as if you consider your statement (2) to be &amp;quot;objectively verifiable&amp;quot;, since you give no argument for it other than to repeat the assertion.  Whatever the case, what is &amp;quot;objectively verifiable&amp;quot; is that the frontpage contains a Daily Bible Verse.  Please example this [http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070306/26179_Conservapedia_Challenges_%27Anti-Christian%27_Wiki.htm useful text]. [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 13:06, 22 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Regardless of the opinion of the Christian Post, the stated purpose of this website is to provide a counterpoint to perceived liberal bias in Wikipedia, not to advance Christianity as the only true religion.  There are a great many non-Christian conservatives.  If you haven't guessed by now, you're speaking to one.  With regards to verifiability, the fact is that the entire basis upon which the divinity of Christ rests is the Bible itself, which is not an objective source, it's a work of faith.  I appreciate that you have a strong faith, but just as Wikipedia is not a soapbox, Conservapedia should not be one either.  To claim that one religion is true over all others rather than to give a dispassionate overview of the facts surrounding those religions is to stop being an encyclopedia, and to start being a tract.  To state &amp;quot;Christians believe Christ to be the Son of God&amp;quot; is a fact which can be proven.  To state &amp;quot;Christ is the Son of God&amp;quot; may or may not be true, but cannot be proven independant of the Bible.  This in and of itself violates Conservapedia commandment 1.  [[User:JohnSmith|JohnSmith]] 14:12, 22 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The Gospels and the testimonies and facts along centuries are &amp;quot;objectively verifiable&amp;quot;. They are holly books and facts as well as scientifically truth as other history book are according to History science. What you have to remember is that men are undoubtedly flash and soul. Make your statements using both and you will see as John the Apostle teched, the love that is there and that is a reality objectively verifiable. Any man can be a witness of that simple truth. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 14:25, 22 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The Bible may be held by some to be holy, but that view isn't held by all (indeed, it's only held by a minority of the world's population).  Other holy texts do not claim that Jesus was the son of God.  Conservapedia should not be in the business of stating that one holy text is true and others are false, because this is a matter of faith, not fact. [[User:JohnSmith|JohnSmith]] 16:27, 22 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Jesus was Jewish... his personal religious beliefs are central to a belief in him, yet this article makes no mention of what Jesus believed.  This glaring omission can only be seen as an effort to force history into alignment with current ideals. {{unsigned|Newsdan}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:That's a little harsh. Yes, Yeshua was Jewish. And as the site grows I'm sure the article will come to reflect this. This is a fairly new site, Newsdan - it didn't appear fully formed and perfect :) [[Image:User Fox.png]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 14:34, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Like most of us did not know he was a Jew. There is nothing wrong with him being Jewish, nothing!--[[User:Will N.|Will N.]] 14:36, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Will... the problem is that the article is locked, and yet was done so without adding this fact.  --[[User:Newsdan|Newsdan]] 14:42, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You can use this talk section to preview to the sysops anything you'd like to add. [[Image:User Fox.png]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 14:44, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I'd suggest providing the wording you would like to see included and where this placement would occur.  As Fox has stated, the sysops are more than happy to see that constructive edits are included. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:49, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Jesus was ethnically Jewish, but he came to fulfill the Jewish faith, thereby founding the Christian Church.  [[User:Lostcaesar|Lostcaesar]] 17:22, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would have to counter the thought above about 'founding the christian church'. The christian church was formed to save its own butt from the persecution of the Jews. Then, it started to worship what it wanted to worship to separate themselves further(such as xmas and esthar), thus further STRAYING FROM THE TRUTH, and bringing man to what it is right now, a spiritual mess. That said, scripture PREDICTED that this would happen in Hosea 6:1-2. Man has been ripped apart for 2 days(2000 years), and the healing is about to begin.--[[User:Witnessnbr1|Witnessnbr1]] 14:30, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Introductory Paragraph ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This article has a real problem. Many people question the divinity of Jesus Christ. The opening section of this article should state &amp;quot;According to the Christian faith...&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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To state as fact that Jesus Christ was and is the Son of God has no place in the main article and has no business being in an encyclopedia. This article should be unlocked and appropiate changes made to make this article neutral.&lt;br /&gt;
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The owners and administrators are doing great harm to this website and their positions by allowing their personal opinions to enter into the articles. Credibility, readership and contributions cannot be maintained by allowing non-neutral articles.&lt;br /&gt;
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Personal, religious and political opinions should be expressed outside the main body of articles.&lt;br /&gt;
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:You're not an authority on all things encyclopedic, are you?  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:29, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes I am new, and I am learning. However, the first thing I did was read the rules, especially rule#5 which states that personal opinions are not allowed in articles. The beginning of this article breaks rule #5. Clearview 15:46 6/19/07&lt;br /&gt;
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:Are you sure that Jesus Christ being the Son of God and the Savior is personal opinion?  Is it your personal opinion that He's not?  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:48, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Ok before a big fight breaks out, Clearview, just keep in mind that while the site says that no personal opinion is allowed, the site owner and most of the administrators here view the Bible as irrefutable fact and while you may disagree, refuting that is only going to get you banned. If you have an idealogical issue with that, then I suggest that you either try to repress it when editing, or perhaps try another wiki, as making edits that refute the divinity of Jesus are only going to result in a ban.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 18:58, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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First, I never stated my position on the divinity of Christ so please do not assume what I believe. Second, my suggestion that the article be introduced by stating that the Christan faith holds that Christ is divine does not refute any fact. Third, belief in Christ does not require fact, only faith &amp;quot;Blessed are those who believe yet do not see&amp;quot;. Clearview 16:32PST 6/19/07.&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, first, we had trolls and vandals come in who picked the CP commandments as the first thing they complained about in general, and articles about the Bible specifically.  Second, you are not an authority as to what constitutes the structure and layout of an encyclopedia.  Third, the changes that you have insisted be made pertaining to Jesus and Judaism articles constitute a violation of commandment #5, because, like it or not, it is your personal opinion and beliefs as to the subject. Therefore it will not be changed.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 21:46, 19 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Hi, I would like to point out that the phrase &amp;quot;According to Christian faith....&amp;quot; does not state a personal opinion. Maybe you could make it something like &amp;quot;For all Christians...&amp;quot;? So it does not sound as questioning, but still pays respect to the fact that people of other/no faith don't view Jesus of Nazareth as the son of god and their savior. --lhb 02:53, 15 Sept 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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:::First, I think Karajou owes an apology to all of us, and especially to Clearview, for acting obnoxiously.  What gives you authority to say that anyone, including yourself and me, is or is not an expert in what constitutes the structure and layout of an encyclopedia.  Then the argument was used that &amp;quot;the changes that you have insisted be made pertaining to Jesus and Judaism articles constitute a violation of commandment #5 because, like it or not, it is your personal opinion and beliefs as to the subject.&amp;quot;  I think we all agree that religion is a controversial topic.  Therefore, it is important to consider all points of view on religion, including those who believe in Jesus Christ as a spiritual leader and those who believe in him as a historical figure with no spiritual background or even those who do not believe he existed at all.  Karajou does not understand that saying that Jesus is believed by Christians is a completely neutral way of addressing the topic.  Therefore, the article is as fair as possible because Christians who do believe in Christ have their arguments mentioned.  Those who do not believe in Christ have their views acknowledged because the article states that Christ's divinity is believed by only some people.  Karajou stated that &amp;quot;Are you sure that Jesus Christ being the Son of God and the Savior is personal opinion?  Is it your personal opinion that He's not?&amp;quot;  It most certainly is a personal opinion, and that he is not is also a personal opinion.  While the article may completely focus on one side of this opinion, it needs some form of disclaimer in the opening paragraph to explain that Jesus and his divinity is not a universally accepted truth. --[[User:Eb12|Eb12]] 18:42, 12 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;&amp;quot;While the site says that no personal opinion is allowed, the site owner and most of the administrators here view the Bible as irrefutable fact and while you may disagree, refuting that is only going to get you banned.&amp;quot;&amp;quot; So, no personal opinion is allowed UNLESS it's the personal opinion of the site owner and administrators? Ha! That's hilarious. Why are you even bothering to pretend that Conservapedia has the remotest commitment to impartiality if you're willing to make statements like that? At least Wikipedia has the decency to PRETEND they're not biased. Unless the site owner and administrators are actually willing to abide by their own commandments, Conservapedia will forever be viewed as a ridiculous propoganda site that maintains it's blinkered dogma by banning anybody who expresses a different point of view. Your editing policy has more in common with communist Russia than modern America (remember a wee thing called 'Freedom of Speech?') I imagine I'll get instantaniously banned for writing such heresy, but I think it's a VERY valid point to be raised.  {{unsigned|Rolandhulme}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Wikipedia is biased in many of its articles; changing the evolution article, for example, to include facts that evolution is false will get instantly reverted.  As to what constitutes a wiki, do you have the right to claim &amp;quot;freedom of speech&amp;quot; in a wiki dedicated to ''Star Wars'' when you post articles related to the U.S. Civil War?  I don't think so.  You're welcome to make positive contributions in this wiki, but you have to realize that editing in any wiki is a priviledge, and not a right.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 14:21, 20 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Karajou - thanks for the response (which was more reasonable than mine, so I apologise. I was just frustrated.) I see your point about freedom of speech, although that's not applicable in this situation. A man posting about the Civil War in a post about Star Wars could be censored on the basis of relevance. The flaws in Conservapedia's page on Jesus are VERY relevant. To fulfil the intention of Conservapedia - to be a reference, rather than a propoganda site, it needs to outline Jesus' life as referenced by the Bible and Christian texts - not just as imperical fact. From what you're saying, it seems clear that the site owner and administrators play the 'It's my site and I'll censor/rewrite as I want to' instead of actually trying to be impartial or factual or follow their own clearly established commandments. That's their right, sure - but it means Conservapedia is entirely useless as an alternative knowledge resource to Wikipedia. Oh, and as for evolution... Wikipedia does explain creationist theory and intelligent design, but considering that evolution is only a theory in the same way gravity is (and I studied history and did some archeology at a theological university, so I'm pretty knowledgable about this stuff) I don't think it's possible to support creationism with any convincing 'facts' - hence deletion. Although that's a topic for another post!  {{unsigned|Rolandhulme}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The opening sentence claims that Jesus IS in fact the son of God. This is a belief, not a fact, and it should therefore be referred to as a belief. e.g. &amp;quot;Jesus Christ is ''believed by Christians to be'' the only Son of God and prophesied Messiah...&amp;quot;  {{unsigned|DerUebermensch}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Only 'begotton' son. The bible is quite specific and some consider it to imply that there are other sons , just not born of woman. This gets quite difficult to explain since Jesus IS God and has always existed , also theres no Mrs God and 'son' has a pretty specific meaning in most languages , but I digresss. [[User:Markr|Markr]] 17:52, 14 October 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Rolandhulme and DerUebermensch (even though he is banned) should read my [[essay:Accuracy vs. neutrality on Conservapedia]].  As for evolution, it is not a theory &amp;quot;in the same way gravity is&amp;quot;: gravity is observed, but goo-to-you evolution isn't.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:10, 15 October 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Teachings of Jesus ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why does the article have no section about the teachings of Jesus? --[[User:The Four Deuces|The Four Deuces]] 17:39, 8 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Good question! Why don't you work on it at [[The Gospels]]? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 17:57, 8 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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We should add a section about how the teachings of Jesus are applied today, especially be liberals using his words to incorrectly support their agenda.&lt;br /&gt;
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This will make the article more practical and informative. Thanks for the consideration! [[User:Lukecorlando|Lukecorlando]] 23:36, 28 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;Jesus Christ is the only Son of God who...&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please consider changing to &amp;quot;Jesus Christ is the only ''begotten'' Son of God who...&amp;quot; for Ge 6:2 talks about other &amp;quot;sons of God.&amp;quot;  &lt;br /&gt;
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{{cquote|Ge 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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I appreciate it.  [[User:FightPerniciousSwarm|FightPerniciousSwarm]] 21:43, 30 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Category removal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please remove the categories: Christianity, Trinity, Christian History, Religion, Biblical persons, and Divine Beings. They are all supercategories of [[:Category:Jesus]]. Also, it would be nice if you could sort the Jesus article at the top, by doing thus: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[Category:Jesus|]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. [[User:TheEvilSpartan|TheEvilSpartan]] 15:39, 7 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Jesus in Islam ==&lt;br /&gt;
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i will further expand the article by adding the Islamic view of Jesus as the Massaiah and a prophit, i will also start a new article about the issue&lt;br /&gt;
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== Truth and verifiability ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't think this article should be phrased the way it is. CP commandment #1 states that &amp;quot;everything you post must be true and verifiable&amp;quot;. Is it really verifiably true that &amp;quot;Jesus Christ is the only Son of God&amp;quot;, or that &amp;quot;Jesus physically rose from the dead, making possible salvation and eternal life for those who believe in him&amp;quot;? &lt;br /&gt;
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It may well be true, I don't deny that, but it is not verifiably so, hence the need for [[faith]]. It is in the same category of statement as &amp;quot;The Koran is the perfect, unalterable word of God&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse&amp;quot;. It is not the same category of verifiable statements such as &amp;quot;water boils at 100 degrees celsius&amp;quot;, or &amp;quot;China has the highest population of any country in the world&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;
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It is verifiably true that ''Christians believe'' Jesus to be the only Son of God, and that ''According to the New Testament'', Jesus physically rose from the dead, making possible salvation and eternal life for those who believe in him, so why can't the article be written that way? There are precedents. Compare with [[Hell]], which states &amp;quot;''To Christians'', hell is a place where the souls of the wicked are punished eternally for all the sins they perpetrated during their lifetime on Earth.&amp;quot; Or the page on [[Islam]], which mentions &amp;quot;''The Qur'an states that'' Christians will be punished, though the nature of the punishment is not specified.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Why make an exception to the first CP commandment for this page?[[User:Eoinc|Eoinc]] 05:39, 14 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Theory of Jesus? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the same way that evolution is stated to be a mere &amp;quot;theory&amp;quot; since it is not universally accepted, should we not give equal consideration to Jesus and his relation to god. A vast majority may accept he was the son however since a few do not can we not rephrase such statements in a manner like &amp;quot;currently most accept that Jesus was the son of god&amp;quot; or perhaps &amp;quot;the leading theory amongst religious people today is that Jesus was the son of god&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the [[Aramaic]] form of His title but calls it [[Hebrew]]. Aramaic is Meshiha (Aleph) - the article at the end, while Hebrew is HaMashiah - article at the front[[User:BertSchlossberg|BertSchlossberg]] 06:25, 29 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it possible for anybody to actually edit the article in accordance with the Conservapedia guidelines?&lt;br /&gt;
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It begins :'Jesus was the son of God...'&lt;br /&gt;
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That's wrong. Rule No.1 in the guidelines is Attribution. It should read 'Christians believe that Jesus was the son of God.' If you don't bother following the rules of Conservapedia there's no point in even having the bloody thing in the first place.&lt;br /&gt;
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Christians believe that the Biblical figure Jesus Christ, featured in the New Testament of the Bible, was the Son of God, sent to Earth to die for our human sins and show people the path to heaven. Popular Christian lore suggests that Jesus was born in the first century A.D. and it is his birth upon which the modern calendar system is based. &lt;br /&gt;
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According to the new Testament, when he was about thirty, Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, inaugurating his ministry. According to the Bible, Jesus performed various miracles throughout his life, lending support to his claim that he was the son of God.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Bible chronicles that many during Jesus' lifetime did not believe in his divinity and some sought to put him to death. Eventually, Jesus was handed over to the Roman governor Pontius Pilate and crucified. Christian lore states that he died for mankind's sins on the cross, therefore offering a path to heaven to all those who accepted him as their savior.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to the Bible, Jesus physically rose from the dead three days after being entombed and appeared to his disciples on various occasions. The Bible then states that Jesus ascended to Heaven, where he now acts as our mediator and path to heaven.&lt;br /&gt;
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Why are we not able to edit this page? As I said earlier, the entire first paragraph is inconsistent with established conservapedia guidelines and should read:&lt;br /&gt;
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Christians believe that the Biblical figure Jesus Christ, featured in the New Testament of the Bible, was the Son of God, sent to Earth to die for our human sins and show people the path to heaven. Popular Christian lore suggests that Jesus was born in the first century A.D. and it is his birth upon which the modern calendar system is based. &lt;br /&gt;
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According to the new Testament, when he was about thirty, Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, inaugurating his ministry. According to the Bible, Jesus performed various miracles throughout his life, lending support to his claim that he was the son of God. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Bible chronicles that many during Jesus' lifetime did not believe in his divinity and some sought to put him to death. Eventually, Jesus was handed over to the Roman governor Pontius Pilate and crucified. Christian lore states that he died for mankind's sins on the cross, therefore offering a path to heaven to all those who accepted him as their savior. &lt;br /&gt;
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According to the Bible, Jesus physically rose from the dead three days after being entombed and appeared to his disciples on various occasions. The Bible then states that Jesus ascended to Heaven, where he now acts as our mediator and path to heaven.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Evidence for Jesus flimsy at best.==&lt;br /&gt;
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This whole Christ-as-savior thing kinda irks me. Why is it that the Bible is full of all these miracles which were treated as the greatest spectacles of their day and yet it seems that as soon as media and culture popped up on the scene the whole &amp;quot;magic God&amp;quot; went kinda dormant. It's kinda like how Superman used to fight all kinds of crazy space aliens and stuff and then he just starts taking on topical issues like corporations and terrorism. Why the watering down so suddenly? Aren't we talking about a God with an infinite scope of the universe? Why does he care whether people are smart enough to acknowledge these things? Why doesn't Sodom and Gemorrah happen like, everyday in this day and age? [[User:LinusWilson|LinusWilson]] 16:19, 26 April 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Evidence for Jesus being black?==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have read over the article and I see no mention to the possibility of Jesus being black? [[craan|craan]]&lt;br /&gt;
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If you can provide credible evidence, please post it. Thanks.  [[User:Mark7|Mark7]] 17:59, 7 May 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Prayer to receive ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Jesus never taught to &amp;quot;Pray to receive Him now&amp;quot;, so why is that under the &amp;quot;Teachings of Jesus&amp;quot; section? [[User:Mark7|Mark7]] 18:12, 7 May 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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In one sense it is true that prayer to receive Jesus is not a teaching from or of Him, but rather a teaching about Him or approach to Him. In another sense, it is a teaching from or of Him, in that the prayer is a definite decision of incorporating Him into our life as He is - Lord and Savior. And that, Jesus did many ways when He was on earth - presenting or interjecting Himself in the &amp;quot;equation&amp;quot; of reaching God and His Kingdom. This shows that the two ways, that &amp;quot;of or from Jesus Himself&amp;quot; (Gospels) and the way &amp;quot;about Jesus&amp;quot; (Epistles) are really one way.[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 12:54, 5 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Any chance of getting this unlocked so some edits can be made?  It's pretty sloppy in formatting.--[[user:TomMoore|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#000066&amp;quot; &amp;gt;Tom Moore&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:TomMoore|fiat justitia ruat coelum]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 17:56, 25 May 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I would like to unlock to add [[:Category:Catholic Church]]-- [[Image:50 star flag.png|14px]] [[User:Jpatt|jp]] 00:07, 18 September 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New section needed - Popular depiction of Jesus ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Jesus has been generally depicted over the years as &amp;quot;as being taller than his disciples, lean, with long, flowing, light brown hair, fair skin and light-colored eyes&amp;quot; - however this depiction is heavily at odds with the racial characteristics of humans in the [[Judea]] and [[Galilee]] areas at the time of Jesus' life as a mortal man. &amp;quot;According to the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane before the Crucifixion, Judas Iscariot had to indicate to the soldiers whom Jesus was because they could not tell him apart from his disciples.&amp;quot; This would suggest Jesus is much shorter and darker skinned than traditionally believed.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/1282186.html?page=1&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; [Image:http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/tb_jesuslead-lg.jpg].&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone add this section and upload the linked image and display it alongside? Thankyou. [[User:DefenderofTrue|DefenderofTrue]] 22:23, 4 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Arnold Toynbee]] in his “Study of History” talks about “diversity in unity” and says that an identical religious belief can be given totally different cultural interpretations. Think of black Madonnas in Africa and Brazil and Orthodox images of Christ that look Greek. I lived near a “Sacred Heart” school and their statues were perfectly Anglo-Saxon.&lt;br /&gt;
And did Charlton Heston look Semetic? (Though I do wonder why the bad guys tended to sound British). If God created man in His image, we should be able to reciprocate, whatever we look like. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 23:39, 4 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Perhaps it is best to leave the article as it is, which is to say not mentioning his physical appearance.  After all, the Bible itself chooses that path.  Anything else would just be speculation and detract from the portrayal of Jesus that the Bible does provide. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 07:31, 5 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== transference of a section. Is it O.K.? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I took the Self Consciousness of Jesus section from the Christianity article. Is this O.K. to do? I thought so because I am the editor for the section. But still unsure if this is acceptable procedure for articles. I felt more sure of it for the KAL 007 [[Korean Airlines Flight 007]] articles because I am the main editor. But not so for the articles on the Faith[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 04:35, 29 November 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Christians believe... ==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm something of a newbie, but should we start the article with something like &amp;quot;Jesus Christ is, in Christian theology, the only Son of God...&amp;quot; in order to be more accessible to our non-Christian brethren? While I would never deny the divinity of our Lord, I think we could be more ecumenical with such an approach. Opinions? --[[User:DReynolds|DReynolds]] 19:57, 28 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
: It depends on what stance the site wants to take, and Conservapedia takes the stance that Jesus Christ ''is'' the only son of God.  How would your wording make it &amp;quot;more accessible&amp;quot;?  It doesn't alter their ability to access the page.  Further, I doubt that it would make any difference to how much someone was prepared to believe it.  That is, if they won't believe that Jesus is God because we say that He is, why would they believe it if we ''don't'' say that He is?  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:21, 30 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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When I went to the Uncategorized pages tab, I noticed that this page was on there. I looked at it, and it has about six categories. Could someone fix this? [[User:JY23|JY23]] 19:33, 29 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
: It doesn't show up on the uncategorized pages list for me.  Does it still for you?  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 04:14, 30 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Someone fixed it already, but thanks. By the way, could you put &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[Category:Featured articles]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; on the page? Thanks, [[User:JY23|JY23]] 21:35, 3 March 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I've unprotected it, so you can add that. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:04, 4 March 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I see that the article is protected. Could the following be added on to the scourging section?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;The scourging and physical affliction of Jesus, the not overtly alluded to, may have a significance for benefit to come. There was a prophecy of the Suffering Servant to come:&lt;br /&gt;
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Yet He Himself bore our sicknesses,&lt;br /&gt;
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but we in turn regarded Him stricken,&lt;br /&gt;
struck down by God, and afflicted. Isaiah 53:4&lt;br /&gt;
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The Gospel of Mattew would see in this prophesy a foretelling of the various healings and deliverances that Jesus gave to the people, &amp;quot;so that what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: He Himself took our weaknesses and carried our diseases (Matt. 8:17)  If not the scourging itself, then all of the sufferings of the Lord, culminating in His sacrifice on the cross, was the source not only for forgiveness, but also for all the many types of healings and restorations for the people.&amp;quot;[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 07:37, 4 March 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I've unprotected it, so you can edit it yourself.  But if the vandalism resumes, it will need to be protected again.  Before you add, though, please check your spelling (first sentence)!  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:06, 4 March 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Question ==&lt;br /&gt;
Should we really act like Jesus is real? He is a fairy tale after all. [[User:Mannerismxk909|Mannerismxk909]] 16:17, 18 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:How is this related to writing the article? (If you're just stating your opinion, you might want to start a debate, as in [[Debate:Should we act like Jesus is real?]] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 16:20, 18 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Done. [[User:Mannerismxk909|Mannerismxk909]] 16:23, 18 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Could this article be opened ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Could this article be opened to put [[Essay: The Way of Salvation]] under &amp;quot;See Also&amp;quot;[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 19:30, 5 July 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Jewishness of God manifest in the flesh== &lt;br /&gt;
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Came across this quote which might be added, from a Rabbi&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Most portrayers of the life of Jesus neglect to point out that Jesus is in every characteristic a genuinely Jewish character, that a man like him could have grown only in the soil of Judaism, only there and nowhere else. Jesus is a genuine Jewish personality, all his struggles and works, his bearing and feeling, his speech and silence, bear the stamp of a Jewish style, the mark of Jewish idealism, of the best that was and is in Judaism, but which then existed only in Judaism.&lt;br /&gt;
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He was a Jew among Jews; from no other people could a man like him have come forth, and in no other people could a man like him work; in no other people could he have found the apostles who believed in him.&amp;quot;   - Rabbi Leo Baeck. http://www.jewsforjesus.co.za/index.asp&lt;br /&gt;
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As for the Divinity of Christ, you might find http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/DEITYofCHRIST.html helpful. To God be the glory.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Minor Addition suggestion==&lt;br /&gt;
An excellent article, but no mention is made of the family's flight to Egypt, then returning to Nazareth - thus the name &amp;quot;Jesus of Nazareth&amp;quot;. I would suggest that this be mentioned in the section about Jesus' life. [[User:Userafw|Userafw]] 22:38, 8 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'd like a go at it - if the article is unlocked when I get back in a couple of weeks[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 00:44, 14 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Can article be opened up again for edits? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I would like to put in &amp;quot;Appearances of Jesus to His followers&amp;quot; section inbetween the Resurrection and Ascension sections[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 17:05, 27 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Okay, Bert!  Go to it, and please leave me a message on my talk page when you are done. --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 17:35, 27 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Again, is it possible to open up article for edits?[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 12:48, 9 December 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Done. Thank you![[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 13:46, 9 December 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This article needs work ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The tone needs to be more objective, such as it is in the sister article [[Christianity]].&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:TheTrustworthyEditor|TheTrustworthyEditor]] 13:27, 14 December 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Can be unlocked?==&lt;br /&gt;
Can this article be unlocked for an edit?[[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 17:15, 7 January 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would like to do a section on the Flight to Egypt. Could this article be opened for edits?[[User:BertSchlossberg|BertSchlossberg]] 19:05, 18 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Done. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 19:31, 18 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you![[User:BertSchlossberg|BertSchlossberg]] 19:42, 18 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Good for pictures==&lt;br /&gt;
I think that the paintings are a great enhancement to this article. It would be good if there are other paintings found for the remaining sections that still lack them[[User:BertSchlossberg|BertSchlossberg]] 19:46, 18 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== References ==&lt;br /&gt;
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== Clarify first paragraph? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The end of the first paragraph says, &amp;quot;Jesus then personally set the ultimate example for mankind by triumphing over the greatest evil imaginable, the Roman scourging and crucifixion.&amp;quot; It reads as if the greatest evils imaginable were scourging and crucifixion, which of course is untrue. I suggest, &amp;quot;Jesus triumped over the [[Devil]], and personally set the ultimate example for mankind, by enduring the horrific process of scourging and death by crucifixion under the ancient Roman regime in obedience to God's will.&amp;quot; [[User:NHope|NHope]] 23:39, 2 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Done. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 08:21, 3 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== According to the bible ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I understand this is a very Christian place, however would it be possible to add a &amp;quot;according to the Bible&amp;quot; to the start of the page?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>User talk:DavidE</title>
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&lt;div&gt;{{welcome}} A little late but ya know! :P --[[User:BethanyS|Beth]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:BethanyS|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 15:17, 20 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thank you for the welcome. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 15:22, 20 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Quite welcome! *grin* --[[User:BethanyS|BCS]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:BethanyS|Talk2'''ME''']]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:01, 7 November 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for your edit on David.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 12:29, 9 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You're welcome, and thank you for all of the work that you've put into Conservapedia. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 15:37, 9 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Wikipedia as a Liberal website==&lt;br /&gt;
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I've had [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Deliberate_ignorance&amp;amp;curid=59383&amp;amp;diff=777288&amp;amp;oldid=776455&amp;amp;rcid=854743 the same problem] at Wikipedia. Is it really an encyclopedia, or just a discussion board posing as one? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:30, 10 May 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Good question, and I'm inclined to think the latter.  Wikipedia articles all too often get hijacked by people who care more about their pet opinions than about the facts.  In typical liberal fashion, they've construed &amp;quot;NPOV&amp;quot; to mean &amp;quot;my POV.&amp;quot;  [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 13:06, 12 May 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merging the streams==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Thames_River&amp;amp;curid=112790&amp;amp;diff=877403&amp;amp;oldid=875266&amp;amp;rcid=1187409 Nice merge], keep up the good work! --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:48, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 12:49, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Good golly!==&lt;br /&gt;
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I had no idea you've been here for 4 years. How could I have missed all your contributions? (Probably because I was too busy interacting with project opponents). Anyway thank you for creating [[Cafeteria Christianity]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 14:38, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You're welcome, and I'm glad you like it. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 16:17, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Oops!==&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually you [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Homosexual_Agenda&amp;amp;curid=69968&amp;amp;diff=877518&amp;amp;oldid=877453&amp;amp;rcid=1187531 did the merge] ... I will now go eat my words. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 16:40, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merging in your sleep==&lt;br /&gt;
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How about merging [[dormancy]] with [[hibernation]] and [[aestivation]]? The first is the main article, with the 2nd two just being seasonal ways of saying the same thing. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 14:33, 1 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Done. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 11:28, 2 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit to [[Bible]] in the dictionary project ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservative_Dictionary_Project_%28B%29&amp;amp;curid=115858&amp;amp;diff=912739&amp;amp;oldid=911665 this edit]; I wasn't very clear the first time, but your addition is much better than my original. Thanks! [[User:KevinDavis|Kevin Davis]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:KevinDavis|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:47, 9 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You're quite welcome, and I'm glad you liked my edit. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 06:52, 10 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Promotion: blocking privileges ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Congratulations, David:  now you can block other accounts!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:33, 8 November 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thank you for the trust that you have put in me. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 07:24, 9 November 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Username ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You blocked my ip because my username was not a first name and initial. I would like to point out that it does not state anywhere that this is a requirement of signing up.{{unsigned|RileyS}}&lt;br /&gt;
:From the sign-up screen: &amp;quot; Offensive user names will result in that user name being blocked and perhaps the IP address being blocked. Frivolous user names, names of prominent living persons, and user names consisting of, for example, all capital letters or all the same character, may also result in that user name being blocked. User names based on your real name or initials are preferred. Also, do not create multiple accounts.&amp;quot;--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 08:59, 15 November 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, I read this and I do not think that my username fell into any of these categories other that the extraordinarily broad, &amp;quot;is whatever you want it to be&amp;quot; category of &amp;quot;Frivolous user names&amp;quot; {{unsigned|RileyS}}&lt;br /&gt;
:It is a frivolous username. Conservapedia requires usernames be based on your real name. Also, sign your comments with four tildes, like this: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;~~~~&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. Thanks.--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 09:05, 15 November 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Perhaps this should be clarified in the statement, to prevent further misinterpretation of well meaning users. [[User:RileyS|RileyS]] 09:15, 15 November 2011 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Islam</title>
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:Madina Haram at evening .jpg|center|800px|thumb|Al-Masjid al-Nabawi (the Mosque of the Prophet) in [[Medina]], [[Saudi Arabia]], the site of [[Muhammad|Muhammad's]] tomb.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Islam''' is a [[monotheism|monotheistic]] [[Abrahamic religion]] based on the teachings of [[Muhammad]] (or often [[Mohammed]] and other variants), a seventh century [[Arab]], diplomat, merchant, philosopher, orator, legislator, reformer, military general, and, according to Muslim belief, an agent of divine action. Muhammad was also born to the descendents of Abraham. Muhammed claimed to have received revelations from Allah via the archangel Gabriel, which were written in the [[Qur'an]] ([[Koran]]) - thus forming the core teachings of Islam. The word &amp;quot;Islam&amp;quot; means &amp;quot;submission&amp;quot; (to [[Allah]]) in [[Arabic language|Arabic]]. Islam teaches that one must gain salvation through submission to the one true God. Islam is known as one of the world's most violent religions; there have been over 16,000 terrorist attacks committed in the name of Islam since 2001.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; [[Liberals]] however, frequently ignore the violence of Islam (refering to critics as &amp;quot;racists&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Islamophobes&amp;quot;) while they focus on attacking Christianity, a religion with a long history of charity and self sacrifice.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.ccusa.org/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.bcbsr.com/topics/charity.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Critics of this view often cite the Great Crusades--an unsuccessful attempt by Western Christians to retake parts of the Byzantine Empire that had been conquered by Islamic armies--and various religious wars which were later fought in Europe between branches of Christianity.  &lt;br /&gt;
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A follower of Islam is called a &amp;quot;[[Muslim]]&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Moslem&amp;quot;, a term which means &amp;quot;one who submits (to Allah)&amp;quot;. The older terms &amp;quot;Mohammedan&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Muhammedan&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;follower of Muhammad&amp;quot;), have fallen out of use.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; Additional archaic terms for Muslims include &amp;quot;Hagarene&amp;quot;, and &amp;quot;Saracen&amp;quot;. Saracen as a term for Muslims was limited to the Crusade era, although it makes frequent re-appearances in pre-modern polemics. Hagarene was a more common term in pre-modern works, as it denotes the biblical connection of Hagar the mother of Ishmael who is reported as the patriarch of Islam. Additional names for Muslims in pre-modern and Medieval works are generally derived from misspellings.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Theology==&lt;br /&gt;
There are no clergy, but there are religious teachers, or [[Imam]]s, who have their followings.  All Muslims are supposed to follow the teachings of Muhammad, whom they believe to be Allah's ('''الله''' in [[Arabic]]) last and greatest [[prophet]]. The teachings of Muhammad are transmitted through the [[Qur'an]], the Hadith, and the Sunnah. The Sunnah is a general term for &amp;quot;the life and doings of the Prophet&amp;quot;, which all Muslims are called on to replicate. The faith teaches that the Archangel [[Gabriel]] appeared to Muhammad in a cave reciting verbatim a revelation from Allah. The first word that Gabriel says to Muhammad is &amp;quot;Iqra&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Recite/Proclaim&amp;quot;,which is found in the 96th Sura of the Qur'an.&lt;br /&gt;
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Muslims believe that God revealed the Qur'an (or Koran) to Muhammad. The key miracle of Islam comes from the historical condition of the illiterate and uneducated Muhammad, as the Qur'an is composed in an erudite and complex form of Arabic prose and poetry&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created- Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood: Proclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,- He Who taught (the use of) the pen,- Taught man that which he knew not.(Surah 96:1-5)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. The Qur'an was not written down in a systematic fashion until a decade after Muhammad died, preferable transmission being through oral recitation. The Qur'an is considered by muslims to be the pure and holy word of God, uncreated and eternal. In Islamic theology the term uncreated is very important, as it implies that there is no author for the Qur'an, only the delivering of the word to Muhammad who delivered it to the Sahab and the Salaf (The Companions and the Pure), who delivered it to the scribe delegated to record it in the reign of the Caliph Uthman bin Affan.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Origins==&lt;br /&gt;
Like Christianity and Judaism, Islam originated in the Middle East. Islam claims to trace its roots back to Abraham through his son Ishmael. Muslims do not believe that Muhammad was the founder of Islam, rather that he restored the original faith of Abraham and the prophets that followed as recorded in the lost books of the Tawrat and Injil.&lt;br /&gt;
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Based upon this belief, the [[Bible]], both the [[Old Testament|Old]] and [[New Testament]]s, is believed to have become corrupted through the [[Bible translations|translations and misinterpretations]] accumulated over several millenia. The criticism of the [[Torah]] centers around the reconstruction of the existing Biblical text required after the &amp;quot;[[Babylon]]ian captivity&amp;quot;. The criticism of the New Testament centers in the many disputed gnostic texts which contradict the orthodox biblical canon. Interestingly, Islamic jurisprudence accepts that the Injil was complete and whole up until the revelation of Muhammad. Therefore there is some inconsistency in the claims made against the New Testament. For more information, see [[The Bible versus the Qur'an]].&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mecca.jpg|thumb|right|300px|[[Mecca]], one of the holy cities of Islam.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Today==&lt;br /&gt;
Islam is the worlds second largest religion, with over 1.6 billion followers, the number of Muslims is rapidly growing, mainly due to conversions, high birth rates, and redefinitions of the term 'Muslim'. Conversions to Christianity (from ''any'' faith or lack thereof) outnumber those to Islam, but cannot keep up with the birthrate discrepancy.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.bible.ca/global-religion-statistics-world-christian-encyclopedia.htm World Christian Encyclopedia]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles6/AlJazeerahAfrica.php Translation of AL-Jazeerah interview between Maher Abdallah and Shiekh Ahmed Katani]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Indonesia]] has the largest Muslim population in the world.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Historical Background==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to Islamic belief, in approximately 610 A.D., [[Muhammad]], a 40-year-old merchant of the Quraysh tribe in [[Mecca]], located in the Hijaz (now eastern [[Saudi Arabia]]), was commanded by the angel [[Gabriel]] (or Jibreel) to &amp;quot;recite&amp;quot; the message of Allah (The Muslim god). Gabriel said mankind had lost sight of Allah's previous messages to earlier prophets, [[Adam]], [[Noah]], [[Abraham]], [[Moses]], [[Solomon]], and [[Jesus]], among others, and that Muhammad was to spread Allah's message to all people so that mankind would know how to live, how to show respect for Allah, and how to prepare for the judgment day. &lt;br /&gt;
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The message to Muhammad was to be God's last and fullest revelation, a direct copy of the Umm Al Khitab, the mother of all books located in heaven next to God; Muhammad was the &amp;quot;seal of the prophets.&amp;quot; Muhammad won some converts to Islam in his local area, but his [[monotheist]] preaching threatened to undermine the profitable [[polytheist]] pilgrim traffic supporting many Meccan merchants. In 622 A.D., the merchants drove Muhammad and his followers out of Mecca to the city of Yathrib (later renamed [[Medina]], or the city - as in the city of the prophet). This flight (hijra) from Mecca to Medina marks the beginning of the Muslim lunar calendar, and is celebrated each year in the Hajj, the pilgrimage to Mecca. &lt;br /&gt;
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Muhammad's forces, composed of the sahaba (companions) from Mecca ,and the Ansar (allied tribes from Yathrib) started attacking the trade caravans going in and out of Mecca, cutting off its economic lifeline.  After a series of battles between the Meccans and Muhammad's forces, Mecca finally accepted Muhammad's ultimatum to succumb and convert to Islam.  The city welcomed the prophet back in 630. Muhammad died in 632.&lt;br /&gt;
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Tribal elders in a traditional council called the &amp;quot;Shura&amp;quot; elected [[Abu Bakr]] to be Muhammad's successor, or [[Caliph]] (Khalifa). Abu Bakr united the tribes of the Arabian peninsula during his two years as head of the new faith. Upon his death, the elders elected [[Umar ibn al-Khattab]] the next Caliph. During Umar's ten year reign, Islam invaded and spread through conquest and negotiation into [[Egypt]], [[Syria]], [[Palestine]], [[Iraq]], and parts of [[Iran]]. Umar was assassinated by a Persian (modern day Iran) in 644, and was succeeded by [[Uthman ibn Affan]], who continued the invasions to spread Islam into [[North Africa]], [[Cyprus]], the rest of Iran, [[Afghanistan]], and parts of [[India]] and [[Pakistan]]. Over the next two centuries, Islamic armies continued to expanded Islam's empire into sub-Saharan Africa, [[Spain]], South-east and Central Asia, and [[Turkey]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Muslim armies conquered and superseded the ancient Sassanid and Byzantine empires which had ruled before. Within a generation of Muhammad's death Muslim armies occupied an empire stretching from the Nile river to the far off Iranian province of khorasan. Reasons for the rapid conquest are varied and obscure. The Arab armies were more akin to tribal war bands raiding and settling where and when they could. The Byzantine and Sassanid empires had been at war for centuries. The constant simmering conflict between Constantinople and Persia reached a climax in the early 7th century. The Sassanids conquered briefly Egypt and the Levant threatening the central Byzantine heartland of Anatolia. Under the military reforms of the emperor Heraclius, the Byzantine army consolidated and counter attacked, recapturing all that they had lost and capturing the Sassanian capital of Ctesiphon in 628. &lt;br /&gt;
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This brief end of the Roman-Persian wars disrupted the frontier areas which had predicated their economies on raiding and mercenary activities. Two major areas in Arabia were directly affected. The Lackmid tribe and the Gassanid tribe both acted as mercenaries for the Persians and Romans. The official religion of both tribes analogically mirrored that of their overseers. Monophysite Christianity was common, particularly of the Jacobite sect. The death of Muhammad and the subsequent Ridda wars occupied these warrior tribes until the reign of Caliph Umar. Additionally, there was great religious unrest in the levant and Egypt. These areas resented the ruinous taxes and the harsh orthodoxy imposed by the emperor in Constantinople. &lt;br /&gt;
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The same climate was present in the Sassanid realm with the rise of the dualism of the Manicheans. Under the Caliph Umar ,the Arab tribes which had concluded the infighting following the death of Muhammad were allowed to raid into the Byzantine and Sassanid fronteirs. The weakened state of both regimes from both military and economic exhaustion and religious unrest made them fertile picking grounds for the tribal warbands. The Arabs were chiefly successful in holding these areas in that they upheld a lightweight regime of low taxes based in the Islamic laws and distant government. Rather than employing an army of bureaucrats and nobility, the early Arab empire was more favorable towards maintaining the existing government structures under the leadership of Arab tribes. In this atmosphere it is hardly surprising to note the reports from both Muslim and Christian sources of peaceful capitulation and invitation of the invading forces.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Divisions Within Islam==&lt;br /&gt;
Uthman was assassinated in 656 A.D. by soldiers who then installed Ali ibn Abu Talib, Muhammad's son-in-law, as [[Caliph]]. Ali's followers believed Muhammad had chosen Ali to be Muhammad's heir, and had disagreed with the selections of Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman as Caliphs. Ali's claim to the position was challenged by Muawiyah, a kinsman of the murdered Uthman. Five years later, Ali was assassinated by Kharjites, religious dissidents who broke away from the main body of Muslims because they rejected Ali's accepting arbitration to resolve his leadership dispute with Muawiyah. Ali's supporters, or the Shiah al-Ali (or Shiat Ali, partisans of Ali) believed that Ali was the true Caliph and was, in part, divinely inspired. Ali's sons, Hassan and Husayn followed as [[Shia]] Caliphs, Hassan dying in 669 or 670 A.D., possibly by poisoning, and Husayn slain by soldiers of his rival, the [[Sunni]] Caliph Yazid, in 680 A.D. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Shia Muslim community has divided further as followers coalesced around several of Ali's descendants or successors, called [[Imam]]s. The &amp;quot;twelvers,&amp;quot; predominant in Iran, believe the twelfth Imam is in hiding and will reveal himself just before judgement day. Ismailis rejected the seventh Imam and practice a spirituality that seeks hidden meaning in scripture. Ismailis ruled much of [[North Africa]] as the [[Fatimid Dynasty]] of [[Egypt]] in the tenth through the twelfth centuries, and today are found primarily in [[Pakistan]], [[Afghanistan]], and [[India]]. The Sunni majority reject the premise that men can be divine, including Muhammad, Ali, or Jesus, and did not accept any of the Imams who followed Ali. Sunnis remain more committed to traditions and less inclined to accept Shia mysticism. Today, about 15% of the world's Muslims are Shia and 85% are orthodox Sunni. &lt;br /&gt;
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There are other factions within Islam. Sufis, a name possibly derived from the wool garments they wear, developed around mystical practices and trance-induced revelations. Sufis are found today in [[Turkey]], [[Syria]], and parts of [[Africa]]. Other movements have taken reform tracks, such as the Unitarians of [[Saudi Arabia]], also called [[Wahhabi]]s after their 18th century reformist founder Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab. The conservative Wahhabis are found today in Saudi Arabia and [[Qatar]]. Today the Wahhabi line has a tendency to produce extremists, such as [[Osama Bin Laden]]. Some critics would argue that the [[Taliban]] of Afghanistan took conservative reform to an extreme. Other sects or break-away groups include, among others, the Alawis found in Syria and Turkey, the [[Druze]] in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Israel, the Ibadhis (Kharjites) in Oman and Africa, the Ahmadiya of Pakistan, and the Zaydis of Yemen. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Religious Guidance==&lt;br /&gt;
During his lifetime, Muhammad's companions learned and later transcribed the verses (surrahs) of the Qur'an as Muhammad spoke them. In Islam, the teachings of Mohammed were believed to be direct divine revelation from God. &lt;br /&gt;
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The third Caliph, Uthman, collected and codified the various versions of the surrahs into one written Qur'an that became the standard Arabic text used by the world's Muslims today.  The Qur'an is longer than the Bible and written in general order of longest chapters to shortest rather than in any order of when they were spoken, sometimes making the work appear to be confusing. In all there are 114 chapters. Most of the later recorded sayings of Mohammed, which were also more warlike, actually appear earlier in the text.  Present-day Muslims look first to the Qur'an as a guide to life, then to the [[Sunnah]], or the way of the Prophet (his life as an example for others) as recorded by his early companions, and then to the [[Hadith]], a collection of the Prophet's sayings, comments, advice, and descriptions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Frequently, Muslims disagreed over how to interpret certain passages in the Qur'an, the Sunnah, or the Hadith in their search for the ideal life and perfect path to heaven. From these interpretations Sunni Muslims developed four schools of law, or interpretations of law, named after their founders or early leaders: the Hanbali, considered the most strict school and predominant today in Saudi Arabia; Shafi, the school of widest acceptance, found in Egypt, parts of Palestine-Syria, south Arabia, and the Far East; Maliki, prevalent in North Africa, Sudan, and Nigeria; and Hanafi, considered the most moderate school, predominant in Ottoman Turkey and today found primarily on the Levant and Indian subcontinent. Frequently, Muslim countries have two separate legal systems, one for civil, criminal, or commercial law, and a second, and separate, system for religious law. Religious courts and their judges (qadis) might handle issues dealing with marriage, divorce, child custody, inheritance, religious education, charitable or religious property (Waqf), or family matters. Among Middle Eastern countries, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen have Shariah courts serving alongside their secular courts or have adopted [[Sharia]]h (Islamic law) as the basis of their legal systems.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sunni Islam does not have a priesthood or clerical hierarchy to conduct religious services or interpret scripture, but it does have prayer leaders, called Imams, and religious scholars, called Ulama, who often are educated men familiar with the Qur'an and able to offer commentaries on Qur'anic verses. Sunni Muslims also respect the teachings and interpretations of scholars, judges, and academics who may interpret laws, write treatises on Sharia (religious law) or Hadith, and issue Fatwas, religious declarations intended to enlighten or guide Muslims. &lt;br /&gt;
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Shia Islam has a hierarchy that resembles a priesthood. Mullahs are prayer leaders, but usually do not interpret religious law. Mujtahids are religious scholars who may interpret law or passages from the Qur'an or Hadith. The lower order of Mujtahids are called Hojjatolislam. Ayat Allah (literally sign of God, also Ayatollah) is a higher order of Mujtahid who may issue Fatwas, or religious edicts, in addition to leading Islamic schools, interpreting religious law and the Qur'an, and offering sermons or discourses on proper Islamic behavior. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Five Pillars of Islam===&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Shahadah (Profession of Faith)''' -The Shahadah is the Muslim profession of faith. 'ašhadu 'al-lā ilāha illā-llāhu wa 'ašhadu 'anna muħammadan rasūlu-llāh, a loose English translation reads &amp;quot;''There is none worthy of worship except God, and [[Muhammad]] is the messenger of God''&amp;quot; This testament can be seen as the foundation of all of the other tenets of Islam.  &lt;br /&gt;
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*'''[[Salat]] (Ritual Prayer)''' -All Muslims are required to Pray to God five times each day while facing [[Mecca]].   &lt;br /&gt;
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*'''Zakat (Charity)'''  Able Muslims must donate to the poor based on the wealth one has accumulated. In current usage it is interpreted as 2.5% of the value of most valuables and savings held for a full [[lunar year]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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*'''Sawm (Fasting)''' All able-bodied Muslims (children, pregnant women, the elderly, and the ill are exempt) must fast during daylight hours during the daylight hours of the entire month of [[Ramadan]]. According to Muslims, this purifies the body and soul. Some Muslim sects allow military, police and emergency services personnel to receive an exemption from fasting from an imam, on the grounds that their work supports the community or national good.&lt;br /&gt;
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*'''Hajj (Pilgrimage)''' All able-bodied Muslims must make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in their lives.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Jihad====&lt;br /&gt;
Jihad is the &amp;quot;effort&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;struggle&amp;quot; each Muslim faces in the everyday trials of life, such as the effort to get better grades in school, or the striving to achieve better results from a job, or the struggle to avoid sinful temptations. Jihad also can be applied to warfare; participating in jihad in Allah's cause was the third most important good deed listed in the Hadith, after prayer and honoring one's parents. Jihad often was a rallying cry for the military spread of Islam in the seventh through tenth centuries against non-Muslims.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Osama bin Laden and Fundamentalists====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Osama bin Laden]], a follower of a particular brand of Islam popular in Saudi Arabia, has stated that Islam is at war with the United States and its allies. Some observers maintain that the number of Muslims who believe as bin Laden does is growing, and others go further to suggest that all &amp;quot;fundamentalist&amp;quot; Muslims are enemies of the West. But other observers differentiate between conservative &amp;quot;fundamentalists&amp;quot; and the &amp;quot;extremists&amp;quot; who follow murderers such as bin Laden or other terrorists. These observers suggest that the fundamentalists disagree with bin Laden as much as do Westerners, yet remain silent out of fear or disrespect for non-believing &amp;quot;infidels&amp;quot;.  Many westerners are still haunted by the images of cheering crowds dancing in the streets when the 9/11 attacks were announced and were disappointed at the lack of prominent condemnation of the attack from Islamic circles worldwide.&lt;br /&gt;
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====People of the Book====&lt;br /&gt;
Christians and Jews are called &amp;quot;people of the Book&amp;quot; in the Qur'an and are considered earlier forerunners to Islam and viewed as brothers as long as they pay an extra tax when under Islamic rule.  Islam, tracing its roots back to Abraham through his son Ishmael instead of Isaac as the Jews did, believes that they are the descendants of God's promise.  Islam believes that both the Old and New Testament were corrupted and corrected by the Qur'an, but there is still an earlier link between the three religions.  The view of Jews and Christians varied within different parts of the Qur'an and Islamic history.  Much of current Islamic culture, even in places that were once very tolerant such as Egypt, has seen an upsurge in persecution and violence against Christians and Jews.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Women in Islam====&lt;br /&gt;
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In pre-Islamic times women's rights were defined by tribal laws which differed amongst the tribes. Some women had absolute equity and the ability to hold power, while some women were treated worse than chattel; bride prices, unlimited polygamy, and female infanticide were a common theme. Islamic law standardised the situation on the Arabian peninsula, at a level slightly above the lowest,granting women limited rights an distinct legal individuals, a restricted right to divorce, and required her not to directly object to a marriage contract in order for it to have validity. It also limited polygamy to a maximum of four wives at any one time, though the use of &amp;quot;temporary&amp;quot; marriage in effect rendered this restriction meaningless.  That was over a thousand years ago and there has been little progress since.  The reality of traditional Sharia law as applied in the modern era has shocked the modern conscience. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Linda Rae Bennett, ''Women, Islam and Modernity'' (2005)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. &lt;br /&gt;
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Women are treated as inferiors to men in almost every regard. For example, women are required to cover the head and body in public, by wearing the hijab.  Hijab is applied in different ways: a small scarf around the head and western street clothes may be acceptable in Cairo or Damascus but a full length opaque [[Burqa]] was enforced in Taliban Afghanistan. The treatment of women may depend upon rural or urban settings, educational level, society norms, tradition, or other factors. As of 2008, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Pakistan are the most significant Middle Eastern countries where the government requires women to wear some form of restrictive garb, though cultural pressure in most Islamic countries lives women little choice but to submit to the dictat of hijab. [[Honor killing]] is winked at.&lt;br /&gt;
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Treatment of women varies widely by country. In the Islamic state of Saudi Arabia women are forbidden from driving a car, traveling in public without their husband or a male family member as an escort, leaving their home without wearing Islamic dress, working or voting. Though not formally forbidden from owning property, they have no way of obtaining this as work is forbidden and only males are permitted to inherit - should a man die, his brothers, sons and father will all inherit before his wife. These restrictions are part of the criminal law of the country, and enforced by the police and a special Islamic office. Pakistan has similar restrictions, but to a lesser extent. In contrast, Turkey has a majority Muslim population yet still grants women rights near-equal to those of men including property ownership, employment, and education to university level.&lt;br /&gt;
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Muslim apologists suggest the extremely repressive policies of countries such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are cultural rather than religious, though these are the countries were traditional Islam is strongest. They point to the more moderate Islam practiced in Turkey as a demonstration that Islam and womens' rights are compatible, ignoring the efforts of traditionalists in Turkey  to end the freedoms women enjoy. &lt;br /&gt;
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Muslim women's status is controversial. Whilst Muslim men control and oppress Muslim women by compelling them to remain hidden behind the veil, sequestered in the home, and ignorant of the world by denying them access to education and worldly opportunities, Islamic apologists defend some practices suggest that many of them, such as the veil, are cultural traditions that pre-date Islam and are intended to protect women from predatory men.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Mecca, Medina, and Jerusalem====&lt;br /&gt;
Muhammad's home city of Mecca was the site of his earliest preaching and conversions, and is the location of the Kaaba, traditionally held to be the foundation stone of the first mosque built by Adam and later restored by Abraham, and now the focus of the annual pilgrimage (hajj). Some historians suggest that the Kaaba, a black stone probably meteoric in origin, was venerated by pre-Islamic polytheistic religions. &lt;br /&gt;
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At first, Jerusalem was Islam's holy city and the focus of prayers, but Mecca became the center of Islam after Muhammad's return in 630. Medina, because of its early association with Muhammad and as the site of Muhammad's tomb, is second in importance to Mecca. Jerusalem is revered by Muslims as the site of Solomon's temple, Abraham's near sacrifice of his son Ishmael, and the scene of Muhammad's miraculous midnight journey, the latter two now enshrined in the [[Dome of the Rock]] mosque. According to the Qur'an (Surrah 17:1, Isra) and Hadith, Muhammad and Gabriel were taken on winged mules from Mecca to Jerusalem, where they ascended through the seven heavens to the presence of Allah. During the visit, Muhammad learned, among other points, that Muslims were to pray five times each day and to honor Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and the other prophets.&lt;br /&gt;
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Observant Muslims are not supposed to eat pork and in general do not have dogs as pets; both swine and canines are considered unclean. Muslims can have dogs for safety. Muslims are prohibited from drinking alcoholic beverages, gambling, and from collecting interest on financial transactions.&lt;br /&gt;
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FGM (also known as female circumcision) is mentioned in Hadith as an &amp;quot;honorable&amp;quot; condition for a woman, and act to carry out. It is a pre-Islamic tradition in parts of sub-Saharan Africa and the Arab world, though not in Coptic Egypt as some Islamic apologists claim. Female circumcision is not called for nor is it supported by the Qur'an.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another pagan practice practice continued in Islamic countries is [[honor killing]], in which a brother, father, or uncle &amp;quot;restores&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;defends&amp;quot; a family's honor by killing the sister, daughter, or niece that &amp;quot;dishonored&amp;quot; the family through supposedly, &amp;quot;promiscuous&amp;quot; behaviour. This &amp;quot;promiscuous&amp;quot; activity often includes women from Islamic societies living in the West aspiring to a more open lifestyle. The &amp;quot;honor killing&amp;quot; is more ancient, and pagan in origin, but tolerated and practised more or less openly in some Muslim societies. Honor killings are not supported by the Qur'an and are directly commanded against with the Surah &amp;quot;Who so ever kills a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and who so ever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Islam and Christianity==&lt;br /&gt;
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While Muslims do not believe Jesus to be the Son of God or in the Resurrection, they consider Him and His mother to be of God's most important prophets (Marian and Isa) otherwise known as Mary and Jesus. However, the Qur'an warns against worshipping Jesus, Muhammad, and other humans for fear of [[idolatry]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.ccg.org/_domain/ccg.org/Islam/Islam.htm Christian Churches of God Articles on Islam], March 10, 2007&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Qur'an states that non-believers will be punished, though the nature of the punishment is not specified (same as similar statements in the Bible and the Torah):&lt;br /&gt;
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{{cquote|Surely, disbelievers are those who said: &lt;br /&gt;
'Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).' But there is no god but One, Allah. &lt;br /&gt;
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Will they not repent to Allah and ask His Forgiveness? For Allah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Messiah , son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a Siddiqah (i.e. she believed in the words of God and His Books ). &lt;br /&gt;
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Look how We make the signs clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth).&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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However, Islam does recognize Christians and Jews as &amp;quot;people of the book&amp;quot; since both refer to one God only, and recognize Abraham (Ibrahim in Arabic) as a founding prophet.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sharia==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:StarCresent.png|thumb|right|220px|The Star and Crescent is a symbol of Islam. It is featured in the national flag of [[Algeria]], [[Azerbaijan]], [[Malaysia]], [[Tunisia]], [[Mauritania]], [[Pakistan]], and [[Turkey]], amongst others]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Sharia]] is the body of Islamic law. The term means &amp;quot;way&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;path&amp;quot;; it is the legal framework within which public and some private aspects of life are regulated for those living in a legal system based on Muslim principles of jurisprudence. It is not actually part of the canonical Qur'an; that is to say, it is not believed to be the direct word of God by Muslims, but rather the interpretation of it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sharia deals with many aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business law, contract law, sexuality, marriage, divorce, and social issues. Most Islamic scholars regard Sharia as the body of precedent and legal theory established during the early stages of the Islamic Empire, though a few scholars also believe contemporary legal cases can and should shape the law, though such thinkers may be subject to ridicule and even threats from Islamists.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sharia law proscribes often brutal punishments for acts, that, in the western world, are relatively minor. For example, under sharia law, converting from Islam is punishable by death,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.ntpi.org/html/whyoppose.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; whilst women found guilty of adultery is punishable by stoning to death, which often includes many rape victims, as Sharia courts often regard a rape victim as guilty of adultery unless she can provide four witnesses to the act of rape.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6148590.stm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In cases involving the death penalty of corporal punishment, methods of carrying out the punishment are often barbaric, and include public beheading, chopping off of the hand, and flogging.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://saudiwoman.wordpress.com/2009/08/25/punishment-in-saudi-arabia/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  Many Islamist groups have been attempting to have Shariah courts set up in European countries, initially to rule over civil cases between Muslims in Europe.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,422661,00.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Terminology==&lt;br /&gt;
Additional archaic terms for Muslims include , but are not limited to, &amp;quot;Hagarene&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Saracen&amp;quot;. The term Hagarene was more common in post-crusade Europe as it made specific reference to the biblical mother of Ishmael. Ishmael in the Muslim faith plays an analogous theological role to Isaac. Muslims do not use it today to avoid confusing worship of [[Muhammad]] with worship of [[Allah]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Schimmel, (1992)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ex-Muslims==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Michelle Malkin]] highlights a group of Ex-Muslims hoping to change the terms of debate about Islam in Europe. Maryam Namazie, the head of the British group said &amp;quot;Too many things in the media and government policies have been geared to pandering to the political Islamic movements and Islamic organizations.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; [http://michellemalkin.com/2007/06/20/ex-muslims-stand-up-in-britain/ Ex-Muslims stand up in Britain]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;''Some of the text for this article was taken from &amp;quot;Islam: A Primer&amp;quot;, Congressional Research Service Report for Congress (2003), a work in the public domain''  [http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/islam.htm#back] &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== See also ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Africa islam 87.jpg|thumb|Islam in Africa]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Arab American]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Islamic republic]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Qur'an]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ramadan]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[In the midst of a Maelstrom: the Holy Spirit and silence: an essay]] encounter of Israeli Messianic Jew and Egyptian Muslim in Alexandria&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* Armour, Rollin. ''Islam, Christianity, and the West: A Troubled History'' (2002) [http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Christianity-West-Troubled-History/dp/1570754071/ref=sr_1_32?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1259342713&amp;amp;sr=1-32 excerpt and text search]&lt;br /&gt;
* Armstrong, Karen.  ''Islam: A Short History''  (2002) [http://www.amazon.com/Islam-History-Modern-Library-Chronicles/dp/081296618X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1259342302&amp;amp;sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]&lt;br /&gt;
* Berkey, Jonathan P. ''The Formation of Islam: Religion and Society in the Near East, 600-1800'' (2002) [http://www.amazon.com/Formation-Islam-Religion-Society-600-1800/dp/0521588138/ref=sr_1_27?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1259342713&amp;amp;sr=1-27 excerpt and text search]&lt;br /&gt;
* Campo, Juan Eduardo.  ''Encyclopedia of Islam'' (2009), basic introduction&lt;br /&gt;
* Esposito, John J. ''The Oxford History of Islam'' (2000) [http://www.amazon.com/Oxford-History-Islam-John-Esposito/dp/0195107993/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1259342302&amp;amp;sr=1-6 excerpt and text search]&lt;br /&gt;
* Glasse, Cyril. ''The New Encyclopedia of Islam'' ( 2nd ed. 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
* Lewis, Bernard. ''Islam in History: Ideas, People, and Events in the Middle East'' (2001), by leading conservative historian [http://www.amazon.com/Islam-History-People-Events-Middle/dp/0812695186/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1259342525&amp;amp;sr=1-15 excerpt and text search]&lt;br /&gt;
* Martin, Richard C. et al. ''Encyclopedia of Islam &amp;amp; the Muslim World'' (2003), more advanced&lt;br /&gt;
* Newby, Gordon. ''A Concise Encyclopedia of Islam'' (2002) [http://www.amazon.com/Concise-Encyclopedia-Islam-Gordon-Newby/dp/1851682953/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1259342942&amp;amp;sr=1-2 excerpt and text search]&lt;br /&gt;
* Robinson, Chase F. ed. ''The New Cambridge History of Islam'' (Volume 1) (2009), summarizes advanced scholarship&lt;br /&gt;
* Ruthven, Malise, and Azim Nanji. ''Historical Atlas of Islam'' (2004) &lt;br /&gt;
* Schimmel, Annemarie. ''Islam: An Introduction''. (1992)&lt;br /&gt;
* Sonn, Tamara and Mary Williamsburg. ''A Brief History of Islam'' (2004) [http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Blackwell-Histories-Religion/dp/1405109009/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1259342302&amp;amp;sr=1-12 excerpt and text search]&lt;br /&gt;
* Wheatcroft, Andrew. ''Infidels: A History of the Conflict Between Christendom and Islam'' (2005) [http://www.amazon.com/Infidels-History-Conflict-Between-Christendom/dp/0812972392/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1259342525&amp;amp;sr=1-13 excerpt and text search]&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://muslim-canada.org/islam_christianity.html Islam and Christianity] - excellent article comparing and contrasting the two.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/ Qur'an online in English]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/ Sahih Bukhari (Hadith collection) online in English]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/ Sahih Muslim (Hadith collection) online in English]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/ Sunan Abu-Dawud (Hadith collection) online in English]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muwatta/ Malik's Muwatta  (Hadith collection) online in English]&lt;br /&gt;
* Congressional Research Service,  &amp;quot;Islam: A Primer&amp;quot;, Report for Congress (2003), a work in the public domain and the source of part of this article [http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/islam.htm#back]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2011/01/islamists-torch-pope-in-effigy-again.html Islamists Torch Pope in Effigy, Again]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.tribecatrib.com/news/2010/december/849_kind-strangers.html Muslims Saving Jews During World War II.] By Shane Dixon Kavanaugh.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://differencesbetween.com/islam-and-muslim/ Difference Between Islam and Muslim]&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>User talk:DavidE</title>
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&lt;div&gt;{{welcome}} A little late but ya know! :P --[[User:BethanyS|Beth]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:BethanyS|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 15:17, 20 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thank you for the welcome. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 15:22, 20 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Quite welcome! *grin* --[[User:BethanyS|BCS]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:BethanyS|Talk2'''ME''']]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:01, 7 November 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for your edit on David.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 12:29, 9 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You're welcome, and thank you for all of the work that you've put into Conservapedia. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 15:37, 9 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Wikipedia as a Liberal website==&lt;br /&gt;
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I've had [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Deliberate_ignorance&amp;amp;curid=59383&amp;amp;diff=777288&amp;amp;oldid=776455&amp;amp;rcid=854743 the same problem] at Wikipedia. Is it really an encyclopedia, or just a discussion board posing as one? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:30, 10 May 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Good question, and I'm inclined to think the latter.  Wikipedia articles all too often get hijacked by people who care more about their pet opinions than about the facts.  In typical liberal fashion, they've construed &amp;quot;NPOV&amp;quot; to mean &amp;quot;my POV.&amp;quot;  [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 13:06, 12 May 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merging the streams==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Thames_River&amp;amp;curid=112790&amp;amp;diff=877403&amp;amp;oldid=875266&amp;amp;rcid=1187409 Nice merge], keep up the good work! --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:48, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 12:49, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Good golly!==&lt;br /&gt;
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I had no idea you've been here for 4 years. How could I have missed all your contributions? (Probably because I was too busy interacting with project opponents). Anyway thank you for creating [[Cafeteria Christianity]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 14:38, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You're welcome, and I'm glad you like it. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 16:17, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Oops!==&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually you [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Homosexual_Agenda&amp;amp;curid=69968&amp;amp;diff=877518&amp;amp;oldid=877453&amp;amp;rcid=1187531 did the merge] ... I will now go eat my words. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 16:40, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merging in your sleep==&lt;br /&gt;
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How about merging [[dormancy]] with [[hibernation]] and [[aestivation]]? The first is the main article, with the 2nd two just being seasonal ways of saying the same thing. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 14:33, 1 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Done. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 11:28, 2 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit to [[Bible]] in the dictionary project ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservative_Dictionary_Project_%28B%29&amp;amp;curid=115858&amp;amp;diff=912739&amp;amp;oldid=911665 this edit]; I wasn't very clear the first time, but your addition is much better than my original. Thanks! [[User:KevinDavis|Kevin Davis]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:KevinDavis|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:47, 9 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You're quite welcome, and I'm glad you liked my edit. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 06:52, 10 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Promotion: blocking privileges ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Congratulations, David:  now you can block other accounts!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:33, 8 November 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thank you for the trust that you have put in me. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 07:24, 9 November 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Username ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You blocked my ip because my username was not a first name and initial. I would like to point out that it does not state anywhere that this is a requirement of signing up.{{unsigned|RileyS}}&lt;br /&gt;
:From the sign-up screen: &amp;quot; Offensive user names will result in that user name being blocked and perhaps the IP address being blocked. Frivolous user names, names of prominent living persons, and user names consisting of, for example, all capital letters or all the same character, may also result in that user name being blocked. User names based on your real name or initials are preferred. Also, do not create multiple accounts.&amp;quot;--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 08:59, 15 November 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, I read this and I do not think that my username fell into any of these categories other that the extraordinarily broad, &amp;quot;is whatever you want it to be&amp;quot; category of &amp;quot;Frivolous user names&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>United Kingdom</title>
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'''The United Kingdom''' ('''UK''') is a sovereign [[state]] north-west of mainland [[Europe]]. It comprises [[England]], [[Scotland]] and [[Wales]], which occupy the island of [[Great Britain]], and [[Northern Ireland]] on the island of [[Ireland]]. It attained its current identity in 1922 after most of Ireland was granted independence. &lt;br /&gt;
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The United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy. Its [[head of state]] is [[Elizabeth II]], and its [[head of government]] is the Prime Minister [[David Cameron]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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The United Kingdom has the fifth largest economy in the world, and is a member of the [[European Union]], [[NATO]] and the [[United Nations]]. British values, culture and institutions were spread throughout many parts of the world during the period of the [[British Empire]], 1600-1960, and British contributions to world culture include the English language, the [[parliament|parliamentary]] form of government, the [[Church of England|Anglican]] Church (&amp;quot;Church of England&amp;quot;), a tradition of personal liberty, and the common-law legal system.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Name==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:London Thames Sunset panorama 2008.jpg|thumb|left|London - Thames panorama.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The official name of the nation (since 1927) is ''The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland''.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; From 1801 to 1927 the official name was ''The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland''. &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The full official name is seldom used except in very formal or legal documents.  The short version for historical topics is either &amp;quot;Britain&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Great Britain.&amp;quot; The short version for recent events (since the 1970s) is &amp;quot;United Kingdom&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;UK&amp;quot; The adjective is always '''&amp;quot;British&amp;quot;'''.   &lt;br /&gt;
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Britain was part of the [[British Empire]], which has become the &amp;quot;British Commonwealth&amp;quot;, and is mostly a discussion club --Britain has a few scattered minor possessions but gave up its last important colony--[[Hong Kong]]--in 1997.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Westminster in the evening.jpg|thumb|280px|Westminster in the evening.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* '''England''' is the largest of the four components of the United Kingdom.  &amp;quot;England&amp;quot; was often used to stand for the nation in older literature published before 1970. However use of &amp;quot;England&amp;quot; to refer to the entire country is now sometimes considered offensive by many citizens of the other three member countries and is thus discouraged.&lt;br /&gt;
* The standard language of the UK is English; [[Welsh]] has parity in Wales, and [[Gaelic]] is widely used on official documents, roadsigns, etc in remote Gaelic-speaking areas of western Scotland.&lt;br /&gt;
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MacColl (2008) explores the use of the term 'Britain' in English, French, and Latin texts from the 12th century to the 16th. The term was flexible, used in a variety of ways (geographically, politically, and ethnically), and not always indicative of any specific meaning. The English at first tended to conflate 'Britain' with England or the southern portion of the island of Great Britain, though the term 'Greater Britain' was applied starting in the 14th century to refer to the entire island. The Scottish, beginning in the 15th century, used the term in the modern sense - as reflective of the entire island of Great Britain and the 'polity' of England, Wales, and Scotland. This latter usage paved the way for the relatively smooth ideological transition after the 1707 Acts of Union.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; Alan  MacColl, &amp;quot;The Meaning of 'Britain' in Medieval and Early Modern England.&amp;quot;  ''Journal of British Studies'' 2006 45(2): 248-269&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Anthem===&lt;br /&gt;
The national anthem of the UK is currently ''[[God Save the Queen]]''. Should a male heir accede to the throne, the anthem will become &amp;quot;God Save the King&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; This same melody is also sung by American schoolchildren (with different words) as &amp;quot;My Country, 'Tis of Thee&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The constituent nations have their own unofficial anthems. In the case of Wales, this is ''Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau'' (''Land of My Fathers''), and for Scotland it is ''Flower of Scotland''. England does not have its own distinctive anthem in the same way, but at sporting events in which England is competing as a separate nation, [[Edward Elgar]]'s patriotic song ''Land of Hope and Glory'' is sometimes used (although ''God Save the Queen'' is more commonly used). Additionally the hymn &amp;quot;Jerusalem&amp;quot; has a large number of supporters in England as an alternative to, or replacement for, the national anthem. In Northern Ireland, the Protestant and Catholic communities respectively use ''God Save the Queen'' and ''Amhran na bhFiann'', the Irish national anthem. ''Londonderry Air'' is often used as the anthem for Northern Ireland competitors in sporting events.&lt;br /&gt;
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==People==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Tower Bridge London.jpg|thumb|340px|Tower Bridge, London.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The United Kingdom's population in 2004 surpassed 60 million--the third-largest in the European Union. Its overall population density is one of the highest in the world. Almost one-third of the population lives in England's prosperous and fertile southeast and is predominantly urban and suburban--with about 7.2 million in the capital of London, which remains the largest city in Europe. &lt;br /&gt;
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A net total of 408,000 people were added to the UK population in 2008, the largest numerical increase since 1972.  This was partly due to the highest fertility rate in more than three decades. More than half of the increase in births last year was due to non-UK born mothers. &lt;br /&gt;
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There is also an ever-increasing aging population with the number of people over 85 now at a record 1.3 million, the equivalent of one in every 50 people. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Education===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Royal College of Music 2007.jpg|thumb|left|Royal College of Music.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The United Kingdom's high literacy rate (99%) is attributable to universal public education introduced for the primary level in 1870 and secondary level in 1900. Education is mandatory from ages 5 through 16, although this is in the process of being raised to 18 for England and Wales. &amp;quot;Public&amp;quot; schools are elite private prep schools, such as [[Eton]] and [[Rugby School|Rugby]], attended by youth whose families can afford to pay high tuition rates.&lt;br /&gt;
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About thirty six percent of British students go on to post-secondary education.&lt;br /&gt;
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Higher education has been a speciality for over 500 years at Oxbridge ([[Oxford University|Oxford]] and [[Cambridge University|Cambridge]]), with new &amp;quot;red brick&amp;quot; universities added in the 19th century and many others in the late 20th century. Universities contribute £33 billion a year to the economy.  Britain has a strong attraction for international students, with 342,000 attending in 2007 (compared to 672,000 in the U.S. and 183,000 in Australia). They spend £1.5 billion in tuition in Britain annually, plus another £0.4 billion off campus.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Demographics===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Youth UK.JPG|thumb|British youth.]]&lt;br /&gt;
A group of islands close to continental Europe, the British Isles have been subject to many invasions and migrations, especially from Scandinavia and the continent, including Roman occupation for several centuries. Contemporary Britons are descended mainly from the varied ethnic stocks that settled there before the 11th century. The pre-Celtic, Celtic, Roman, Anglo-Saxon, and Norse influences were blended in Britain under the Normans, Scandinavian Vikings who had lived in Northern France. Although Celtic languages persist in Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland, as well as Cornwall in south-west England, the predominant language is English, which is primarily a blend of Anglo-Saxon and Norman French. &lt;br /&gt;
*Population (2007 est.): 60.8 million.&lt;br /&gt;
*Annual population growth rate (2007 est.): 0.275%.&lt;br /&gt;
*Major ethnic groups: British 91%, Irish 2%, West Indian and African 3%, South Asian 3%, others 1%.&lt;br /&gt;
*Major religions: Church of England (Anglican), Roman Catholic, Church of Scotland (Presbyterian), Muslim.&lt;br /&gt;
*Major languages: English&lt;br /&gt;
*Education: Years compulsory--12. Attendance--nearly 100%. Literacy--99%. &lt;br /&gt;
*Health: Infant mortality rate (2007 est.)--5.01/1,000. Life expectancy (2007 est.)--males 76.23 yrs.; females 81.3 yrs.; total 78.7 years&lt;br /&gt;
*Work force (2007, 31.1 million): Services--80.4%; industry--18.2%; agriculture--1.4%.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Ethnic tensions===&lt;br /&gt;
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Britain is home to 2.4 million Muslims from numerous ethnicities. This population is growing 10 times faster than the national average. Regarded as one of the most tolerant countries in Europe, Britain struggles with questions of integration, particularly the social exclusion of its Muslims, as well as the psychological aftermath of the July 2005 suicide bombings on London’s public transport system carried out by young Britons of Pakistani descent, which left 52 people dead and over 700 injured.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Children.jpg|390px|center|Seventh-day Adventists.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Religion===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Canterbury Cathedral.jpg|thumb|left|350px|Canterbury Cathedral (photographed during 1890-1900).]]&lt;br /&gt;
Religious faith, according to a 2011 survey, has declined sharply in Britain over the last two decades. Now only 42% of people describe themselves as Christian, as opposed to 66% in 1990. Most of the decline is due to a drift away from the Church of England, it is claimed, with only 20% claiming allegiance, down from 40%. &lt;br /&gt;
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In 2003 the Office of National Statistics estimated 29% of the population identified with Anglicanism, 10% with the Catholic Church, and 14% with other Protestant churches. A 2007 survey reported that the number of Catholics (mostly Irish) attending Sunday services has overtaken the number of Anglicans doing so. A September 2006 English Church Census reported that Methodists were decreasing as a percentage of the population, while members of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints (Mormons), Pentecostal churches, many churches from Africa, and the Eastern Orthodox Church, almost entirely immigrants, were increasing.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; According to [http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2008/108478.htm U.S. State Department Report, 2008]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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Individuals with no religious belief comprised 21% of the population in 2009. Muslims comprise 3% of the population. The Muslim community is predominantly South Asian in origin, but other groups from the Arabian Peninsula, Africa, Southeast Asia, and the Levant are represented. In addition, there is a growing number of indigenous converts. Although estimates vary, the Government places the number of mosques in the whole country at one thousand. Groups comprising 1% or less of the population include Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, and Buddhists. Individuals from Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, and Sikh backgrounds are concentrated in London and other large urban areas, primarily in England. &lt;br /&gt;
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Attendance at religious services was significantly different from the number of adherents. According to a report released on May 8, 2008, by Religious Trends, only 4 million Christians attend services on a regular basis (defined as at least once a month) in the country. These figures do not include Northern Ireland, where higher%ages reportedly attend both Catholic (more than 60%) and Protestant (more than 35%) services. The Religious Trends report stated that more than 50% of Muslims regularly worship at mosques. Figures for Jews and other religious groups were unavailable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Religious affiliation was not evenly distributed among ethnicities. According to the 2001 census, approximately 70% of the white population described themselves as Christians. Nearly 75% of black Caribbean respondents stated that they were Christians, as did 70% of black Africans. Meanwhile, 45% of Indians were Hindus and 29% were Sikhs. Approximately 92% of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis were Muslims.&lt;br /&gt;
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In Northern Ireland, where divisions between nationalists and unionists evolved largely along religious lines, the 2001 census showed that 53.1% were Protestants and 43.8% were Catholics. Many Catholics and Protestants continued to live in segregated communities in Northern Ireland, although many middle class neighborhoods were mixed communities. The policy of the Government remained one of promotion of religious tolerance. &lt;br /&gt;
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There are two established (or state) churches--The [[Church of England]] (Anglican) and the [[Church of Scotland]] (Presbyterian). The Act of Settlement, enacted in 1688, states that no Catholic, or person married to a Catholic, may ascend the throne. &lt;br /&gt;
====Religion in schools====&lt;br /&gt;
The Government provides financial support—up to 90% of the total capital costs of the buildings and 100% of running costs, including teachers' salaries - to sectarian educational institutions that are commonly referred to as &amp;quot;faith schools&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Matthew Boulton College.jpg|thumb|Matthew Boulton College.]] &lt;br /&gt;
The Government also helps fund the repair and maintenance of all listed places of worship for religious groups nationwide and contributes to the budget of the Church Conservation Trust, which preserves &amp;quot;redundant&amp;quot; Church of England buildings of architectural or historic significance. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Government has not classified the Church of Scientology as a religious institution and therefore has not granted the organization recognition for charitable status. &lt;br /&gt;
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More than 30% of state schools had a religious character. Nearly all of the 6,949 &amp;quot;faith schools&amp;quot; are associated with Christian denominations, although there are 31 Jewish, 7 Islamic, and 2 Sikh schools. An additional two Jewish, three Islamic, and two Sikh schools have also been tentatively approved by the Government to open. In addition, several hundred independent schools of a religious nature receive no state support but must meet government quality standards. Controversy arose in 2006 over 100 Islamic schools when an Office of Standards in Education (Ofsted) evaluation of these schools showed many were &amp;quot;little more than places where the Koran was recited.&amp;quot; The schools were given time to correct their deficiencies. A review is due in 2010. Some Christian faith schools also faced controversy. Some were accused of not following the national curriculum in science, teaching creationism instead. During the reporting period, a further controversy erupted when it was learned that some faith schools were not following an &amp;quot;open&amp;quot; admission policy as required by law, denying admission to both special needs children and those outside the faith of the school administrators. The Catholic Church and the Church of England have an agreement to voluntarily accept up to 25% of places for pupils from another religious group or no religious group. &lt;br /&gt;
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Almost all schools in Northern Ireland receive state support. More than 90% of students attended schools that were either predominantly Catholic or Protestant. Integrated schools served approximately 5% of school-age children whose families voluntarily chose this option, often after overcoming significant obstacles to provide the resources to start a new school and demonstrate its sustainability for 3 years before government funding begins. Demand for places in integrated schools outweighed the limited number of places available. The May 8, 2007, devolution, or granting of power, authorized the Northern Ireland Assembly to decide on academic selection. Now there are more than 50 integrated schools, and the new Government permits existing schools to petition to change from sectarian to integrated. More petition for that status than are granted it. Some have accused the Government of a go-slow approach to avoid sectarian animus. &lt;br /&gt;
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The law requires religious education for all children, ages 3 to 19, in publicly maintained schools. In England and Wales it forms part of the core curriculum in accordance with the Education Reform Act of 1988. In Scotland, religious education of some sort is mandated by the Education Act of 1980. However, the shape and content of religious instruction throughout the country is decided on a local basis. Locally agreed syllabi are required to reflect the predominant place of Christianity while taking into account the teachings and practices of other principal religions in the country. Syllabuses must be nondenominational and refrain from attempting to convert pupils. Schools with a religious designation follow a syllabus drawn up by the school governors according to the trust deed of the school. All parents have the legal right to request that their children not participate in religious education, but the school must approve this request.&lt;br /&gt;
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Daily collective prayer or worship of &amp;quot;a wholly or mainly of a broadly Christian character&amp;quot; is practiced in schools in England and Wales, a requirement that may be waived for students who obtain permission of the school authorities. The Education and Inspections Act 2006 permits sixth form students (generally 16-19-year-olds) to withdraw themselves from worship without their parents' permission or action. This new law does not exempt sixth form students from religious education classes. Non-Christian worship is permitted with approval of the authorities. Teachers have the right not to participate in collective worship, without prejudice, unless they work for a faith school. &lt;br /&gt;
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After several controversial court decisions prohibiting full-face veils in school (but not head scarves) and the wearing of a Christian chastity ring, the Department of Education provided guidance that advises schools to &amp;quot;… act reasonably in accommodating religious requirements,&amp;quot; under human rights legislation. Some Muslim groups, including the Islamic Human Rights Commission, said it was inappropriate for the Government to provide guidance that regulated Muslim communities in matters concerning the expression of their religious beliefs. But it is also legally possible under the act, according to the guidance, to have a school uniform policy that &amp;quot;restricts the freedom of pupils to manifest their religion&amp;quot; on the grounds of health and safety and the &amp;quot;protection of the rights and freedoms of others.&amp;quot; The Government's guidance is meant to remind &amp;quot;head teachers&amp;quot; to act with a degree of sensitivity when considering decisions that will impact the cultural complexion of their communities.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to the 2001 Census the religious make-up of the UK at that time was:&lt;br /&gt;
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{| border=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot; cellspacing=0 cellpadding=3&lt;br /&gt;
|+'''Religions in United Kingdom'''&lt;br /&gt;
!Belief                &lt;br /&gt;
!Thousands          &lt;br /&gt;
!Proportion &lt;br /&gt;
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|Christian                 ||42,079            ||71.6&lt;br /&gt;
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|No Religion                 ||9104            ||15.5&lt;br /&gt;
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|Muslim                      ||1591             ||2.7&lt;br /&gt;
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|Hindu                            ||559    ||1.0&lt;br /&gt;
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|Sikh                            ||336    ||0.6&lt;br /&gt;
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|Jewish                           ||267    ||0.5&lt;br /&gt;
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|Other                            ||179    ||0.3&lt;br /&gt;
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|Buddhist                         ||152    ||0.3&lt;br /&gt;
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|Pagan &amp;amp; Wicca                     ||40    ||0.1&lt;br /&gt;
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|Total religious          ||45,163   ||76.8&lt;br /&gt;
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|No answer                       ||4289    ||7.3&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
The answers were distorted by an internet campaign just prior to the census, encouraging people to actually question religion that claimed that if at least 50,000 people stated their religion as 'Jedi Knight' it would be officially classified as a religion. This was not true, though the Office of National Statistics does aggregate very small religions into the 'Other' category whereas a religion of 50,000 would be itemised separately. This separate listing does not constitute any form of official recognition.&lt;br /&gt;
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It should be noted that non-practising Christians and the non-religious group are growing in the UK and Europe. At the same time, there is growth in the Islamic, Sikh and Hindu groups due to immigration.&lt;br /&gt;
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Two of the four states of the United Kingdom, England and Scotland, have official state religions. The [[Church of England]] is the official religion of England and the (Presbyterian) Church of Scotland is the official religion of Scotland. The (Anglican) Church of Ireland was [[disestablished]] in 1871 and the (Anglican) Church of Wales was disestablished in 1920, whereupon it was renamed the [[Church &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;in&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; Wales]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===Crown Dependencies===&lt;br /&gt;
A number of the smaller [[British Isles]], most importantly [[Jersey]], [[Guernsey]] and the [[Isle of Man]] are '[[Crown dependencies|British Crown Dependencies]]' and not members of the UK. Their governments are independent of that of the UK other than foreign and defence policy (the UK government retains the legal power to overrule the governments of the Dependencies, but this power has not been exercised since 1967), and they are not members of the [[European Union]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sports and Pastimes==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Wembley Stadium.jpg|thumb|230px|Wembley Stadium.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Many of the most popular [[sport]]s in the world today were developed or codified in the UK. These include [[soccer|football]] (which is called ''soccer'' in North America), [[cricket]], [[Rugby (Sport)|rugby]], [[tennis]], [[hockey]] and [[golf]]. The UK is represented in international competitions by the individual nations (such as in football, the one-day form of cricket and rugby) and by the whole of the UK in other sports (such as [[athletics]], golf and tennis). The Test cricket team is that of 'England &amp;amp; Wales' (colloquially, just 'England') but from time to time has had Scottish and Irish players.&lt;br /&gt;
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The UK remains a major sporting force both in competition and the administration of sport. It is dominant in several Olympic sports, notably cycling, rowing and sailing and a leading force in cricket, rugby union, and golf.&lt;br /&gt;
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Certain venues have their own distinct and historical recognition and host a number of international competitions. These include Wimbledon for tennis, Silverstone for motor racing, and St Andrews for golf. There are several major venues for football, rugby and cricket.&lt;br /&gt;
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Domestic sport is dominated by football with one of the strongest and most popular leagues in the world - the Premier League. This league is sponsored by Barclays Bank, so has the official name &amp;quot;Barclays Premier League&amp;quot;. Many of the Premier League's teams are well known outside the United Kingdom, especially the &amp;quot;big four&amp;quot; (Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool) and maintain followings around the world. Cricket and both codes of rugby also have strong and popular domestic leagues. Other popular sports include snooker, rowing, golf, tennis, athletics, cycling, darts, horse racing, and motor racing. These most popular sports are well covered by both the print press and television.&lt;br /&gt;
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Some sports which are more popular in other countries such as volleyball, handball, American football and basketball have small but dedicated followings.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Government==&lt;br /&gt;
''See also [[British politics]]''&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Jewel House guard in the Tower of London.JPG|thumb|200px|Jewel House guard in the Tower of London.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Nationalist movements exist in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, seeking (in the case of Scottish and Welsh nationalists) to dissolve the United Kingdom and to win independence for their respective territories, and in the case of Northern Ireland nationalists and republicans to create a sovereign united Ireland. At the present time, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own legislatures.&lt;br /&gt;
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The United Kingdom does not have a written constitution. The equivalent body of law is based on statute, common law, and &amp;quot;traditional rights&amp;quot;. Changes may come about formally through new acts of Parliament, informally through the acceptance of new practices and usage, or by judicial precedents. Although Parliament has the theoretical power to make or repeal any law, in actual practice the weight of 700 years of tradition restrains arbitrary actions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Executive power rests nominally with the monarch but actually is exercised by a committee of ministers (cabinet) selected from among the members of the House of Commons and, less frequently, the House of Lords. The prime minister is normally the leader of the largest party in the House of Commons, and can remain in office for so long as he or she has the support of a majority in that body.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Parliament==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Westminster palace Charles Barry.jpg|left|380px]]&lt;br /&gt;
Parliament was authorized in the [[Magna Carta]] (1215), and first summoned by King Edward I in 1296, the oldest governing body in the world.  Parliament represents the entire country and can legislate for the whole or for any constituent part or combination of parts. Elections are called by the prime minister, but the maximum length of a parliament is usually 5 years (except in wartime). The focus of legislative power is the 646-member House of Commons, which has sole jurisdiction over finance. Normally the government--the prime minister and cabinet--have full control of the House. If they lose control and new general election is held. The House of Lords, although shorn of most of its powers, can still review, amend, or delay temporarily any bills except those relating to the budget.  In 1999, the government removed the automatic right of hereditary peers to hold seats in the House of Lords. The current house consists of appointed life peers who hold their seats for life and 92 hereditary peers who will hold their seats only until final reforms have been agreed upon and implemented. The judiciary is independent of the legislative and executive branches but cannot review the constitutionality of legislation. &lt;br /&gt;
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Members of the House of Commons are elected to represent specific geographic constituencies. Members are elected on a &amp;quot;First past the post&amp;quot; system and there is no proportional representation.  The upshot is that a third party with under 25% of the vote typically obtains very few seats.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Constituent countries==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Scottish Eilean Donan castle.jpg|thumb|300px|Scottish Eilean Donan castle.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The separate identities of each of the United Kingdom's constituent parts are also reflected in their respective governmental structures. Up until the recent devolution of power to Scotland and Wales, a cabinet minister (the Secretary of State for Wales) handled Welsh affairs at the national level with the advice of a broadly representative council for Wales. Scotland maintains, as it did before union with England, different systems of law (Roman-French), education, local government, judiciary, and national church (the Church of Scotland instead of the Church of England). In addition, separate departments grouped under a Secretary of State for Scotland, who also is a cabinet member, handled most domestic matters. In late 1997, however, following approval of referenda by Scottish and Welsh voters (though only narrowly in Wales), the British Government introduced legislation to establish a Scottish Parliament and a Welsh Assembly. The first elections for the two bodies were held May 6, 1999. The Welsh Assembly opened on May 26, and the Scottish Parliament opened on July 1, 1999. The devolved legislatures have largely taken over most of the functions previously performed by the Scottish and Welsh offices. &lt;br /&gt;
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Northern Ireland had its own Parliament and prime minister from 1921 to 1973, when the British Government imposed direct rule in order to deal with the deteriorating political and security situation. From 1973, the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, based in London, was responsible for the region, including efforts to resolve the issues that lay behind the &amp;quot;the troubles.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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By the mid-1990s, gestures toward peace encouraged by successive British governments and by President Clinton began to open the door for restored local government in Northern Ireland. An Irish Republican Army (IRA) cease-fire and nearly 2 years of multiparty negotiations, led by former U.S. Senator George Mitchell, resulted in the Good Friday Agreement of 10 April 1998, which was subsequently approved by majorities in both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Key elements of the agreement include devolved government, a commitment of the parties to work toward &amp;quot;total disarmament of all paramilitary organisations,&amp;quot; police reform, and enhanced mechanisms to guarantee human rights and equal opportunity. The Good Friday Agreement also called for formal cooperation between the Northern Ireland institutions and the Government of the Republic of Ireland, and it established the British-Irish Council, which includes representatives of the British and Irish Governments as well as the devolved Governments of Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. Devolved government was reestablished in Northern Ireland in December 1999. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Agreement (more commonly known as the &amp;quot;Good Friday Agreement&amp;quot;, and more rarely as the Belfast Agreement&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nio.gov.uk/index/key-issues/the-agreement.htm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;) was reached on Friday, April 10 1998 in Belfast and provides for a 108-member elected Assembly, overseen by a 12-minister Executive Committee (cabinet) in which unionists and nationalists share leadership responsibility. Northern Ireland elects 18 representatives to the Westminster Parliament in London. However, the five Sinn Fein Members of Parliament (MPs), who won seats in the 2004 election, have refused to claim their seats. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Principal Government Officials===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:674uyyhju.jpg|thumb|David Cameron]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Head of State '''- Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith''' who, as Head of State for many other countries also holds other titles particular to her role and rule as Head of State for those countries.  More commonly referred to as '''HM''' (Her Majesty) '''Queen Elizabeth II'''&lt;br /&gt;
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The Cabinet&lt;br /&gt;
*Prime Minister, First Lord of the Treasury and Minister for the Civil Service '''- Rt Hon [[David Cameron]] MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Deputy Prime Minister and Lord President of the council '''- Rt Hon [[Nick Clegg]] MP'''&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;LibDem&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Member of the [[Liberal Democrats]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs '''- Rt Hon [[William Hague]] MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Chancellor of the Exchequer '''- Rt Hon [[George Osborne]] MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor '''- Rt Hon Kenneth Clark QC MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for the Home Department and Minister for Women and Equalities '''- Rt Hon Theresa May MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Defence '''- Rt Hon Dr Liam Fox MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills and President of the Board of Trade '''- Rt Hon Dr Vince Cable MP'''&amp;lt;ref name = &amp;quot;LibDem&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Work and Pensions '''- Rt Hon Iain Duncan Smith MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change '''- Rt Hon Chris Huhne MP'''&amp;lt;ref name = &amp;quot;LibDem&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Health '''- Rt Hon Andrew Lansley CBE MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Education'''- Rt Hon Michael Gove MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government '''- Rt Hon Eric Pickles MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Transport '''- Rt Hon Philip Hammond MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs '''- Rt Hon Caroline Spelman MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for International Development '''- Rt Hon Andrew Mitchell MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Northern Ireland '''- Rt Hon Owen Paterson MP''' &lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Scotland '''- Rt Hon Michael Moore MP'''&amp;lt;ref name = &amp;quot;LibDem&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Wales '''- Rt Hon Cheryl Gillan MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport '''- Rt Hon Jeremy Hunt MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Chief Secretary to the Treasury '''- Rt Hon Danny Alexander MP'''&amp;lt;ref name = &amp;quot;LibDem&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Leader of the House of Lords and Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster '''- Rt Hon The Lord Strathclyde PC'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Minister without Portfolio '''- Rt Hon The Baroness Warsi PC&lt;br /&gt;
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Also attend Cabinet meetings:	 &lt;br /&gt;
*Minister for the Cabinet Office and Paymaster General'''- Rt Hon Francis Maude MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Minister of State in the Cabinet Office'''- Rt Hon Oliver Letwin MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Minister for Universities and Science '''- David Willetts MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Leader of the House of Commons, Lord Privy Seal '''- Rt Hon Sir George Young Bt MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury and Chief Whip '''- Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP'''&lt;br /&gt;
*Attorney General '''- Rt Hon Dominic Grieve QC MP'''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.parliament.uk/directories/hciolists/hmg.cfm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Political Conditions===&lt;br /&gt;
[[David Cameron]] became Prime Minister on May 11, 2010, after [[Gordon Brown]] resigned. Cameron leads a [[Conservative Party|Con]]-[[Liberal Democrats|Lib Dem]] coalition after failing to achieve a majority in the the 2010 general election&lt;br /&gt;
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===Membership in the European Union===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Conservative Party|Conservative]] government of [[Edward Heath|Sir Edward Heath]] took the UK into the [[European Union]] in 1973. The [[Labour Party]] under [[Harold Wilson]] won the 1974 general elections and due to splits within the party, called the only national [[referendum]] asking the people if they wanted to stay in the Union. The &amp;quot;yes&amp;quot; vote won by a margin of approximately two to one. The Labour and Conservative parties have since had deep divisions over Union membership. Labour's 1983 manifesto promised to leave the Union, and whilst the Conservative party have never pledged to leave the Union, a growing band of &amp;quot;Eurosceptics&amp;quot; threatened to tear the party apart in the 1990s. All three major parties wish to stay in the Union although disagree over the level of integration, but smaller parties such as the UK Independence Party and the Referendum Party campaigned on the single issue of sovereignty being lost to the Union.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Defence and Foreign Relations==&lt;br /&gt;
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The United Kingdom is a founding member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and is one of NATO's major European maritime, air, and land powers; it ranks third among NATO countries in total defence expenditure. The United Kingdom has been a member of the European Community (now European Union) since 1973. In the United Nations, the United Kingdom is a permanent member of the Security Council. The U.K. held the Presidency of the G-8 during 2005; it held the EU Presidency from July to December 2005. &lt;br /&gt;
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The British Armed Forces are charged with protecting the United Kingdom and its overseas territories, promoting Britain's wider security interests, and supporting international peacekeeping efforts. The 37,000-member Royal Navy, which includes 6,000 Royal Marine commandos, is in charge of the United Kingdom's independent strategic nuclear arm, which consists of four Trident missile submarines. The British Army, consisting of approximately 99,200 personnel, the Royal Air Force, with 42,000 personnel, along with the Royal Navy and Royal Marines, are active and regular participants in NATO and other coalition operations. Approximately 9% of the British Armed Forces is female, and 4% of British forces represent ethnic minorities.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Royal Naval college UK.jpg|thumb|center|380px|Royal Naval College.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Iraq===&lt;br /&gt;
The U.K. was the United States' main coalition partner under the designation Operation TELIC. Under UN Security Council Resolution 1483, the U.K. also shared with the United States responsibility for civil administration in Iraq and was an active participant in the Coalition Provisional Authority before the handover of Iraqi sovereignty on June 28, 2004. Britain's participation in the Iraq war and its aftermath remains a domestically controversial issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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Iraqi oil supply was considered to be 'vital' to British interests. The British Government saw Iraqi oil as &amp;quot;vital&amp;quot; to the UK's long-term energy security, and the effective privatisation of its oil industry was central to the post-invasion plan for the country, according to previously unseen Whitehall documents. [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iraqi-oil-supply-was-considered-to-be-vital-to-british-interests-2270072.html] ''The Independent.'' &lt;br /&gt;
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The Iraq Inquiry is conducted to identify lessons that can be learned from the Iraq conflict; the inquiry is concerned over Mr. Blair's evidence on the legal advice he received before agreeing to join the invasion, and the timing of the decision to go to war. [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/chilcot-to-grill-blair-on-how-he-misled-iraq-war-inquiry-2185725.html] The Chair of the Inquiry, Sir John Chilcot (1939) was Staff Counsellor to the Security and Intelligence Agencies (1999-2004) and the National Criminal Intelligence Service (2002-06).&lt;br /&gt;
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===Afghanistan===&lt;br /&gt;
Britain stood shoulder to shoulder with the United States following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in the U.S., and its military forces are part of the coalition force in Afghanistan. The British force in [[Afghanistan War|Afghanistan]] is at 9,000 in late 2009 and will rise by an extra 500 troops in 2010. British forces are primarily based in the Helmand region, where they are on the front line in the war against continued Taliban operations. In addition, Britain has contributed more than £500 million to Afghan reconstruction--the second-largest donor after the U.S. &lt;br /&gt;
===Israel===&lt;br /&gt;
Britain has shown a greater willingness than the United States to criticize the Israelis over settlements and what some call the disproportionate responses to provocations from Gaza and southern Lebanon. (Jewish Labour MP Gerald Kaufman is among the most vocal.) Like his predecessors, both Labour and Conservative, former Foreign Secretary Milliband has been unequivocal: &amp;quot;Settlements are illegal under international law,&amp;quot; he told Parliament in 2008; &amp;quot;They are a major blockage to peace in the Middle East on the basis of a two-state solution.&amp;quot; His successor William Hague, on 20 March 2011, &amp;quot;expressed our serious concern over the recent announcement of 400 new housing units in the West Bank. Continued settlements run contrary to peace.” A BBC poll in March 2011 found that 14% of British subjects have a generally positive opinion of Israel while 66% have a generally negative opinion.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Relations with the United States===&lt;br /&gt;
The United Kingdom is one of the United States' closest allies, and British foreign policy emphasises close coordination with the United States. Bilateral cooperation reflects the common language, ideals, and democratic practices of the two nations. Relations were strengthened by the countries' alliances during both World Wars, and its role as a founding member of NATO, in the Korean conflict, in the Persian Gulf War, and in the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The United Kingdom and the United States continually consult on foreign policy issues and global problems and share major foreign and security policy objectives. &lt;br /&gt;
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The United Kingdom is the fifth-largest market for U.S. goods exports after Canada, Mexico, Japan, and China, and the sixth-largest supplier of U.S. imports after Canada, China, Mexico, Japan, and Germany. U.S. exports of goods and services to the United Kingdom in 2006 totaled $92 billion, while U.S. imports from the U.K. totaled $93 billion. The United States has had a trade deficit with the United Kingdom since 1998. The United Kingdom is a large source of foreign tourists in the United States. In 2005, 3.4 million U.S. residents visited the United Kingdom, while 4.2 million U.K. residents visited the United States. &lt;br /&gt;
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The United States and the United Kingdom share the world's largest foreign direct investment partnership. U.S. investment in the United Kingdom reached $324 billion in 2005, while U.K. direct investment in the U.S. totaled $282 billion. This investment sustains more than 1 million American jobs.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Economy==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:London.jpg|thumb|left|280px|London's financial center.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Britain has been hard hit by the [[Recession of 2008]], with its major banks taken over or subsidized by the government.  Real gross domestic product declined by 4.6% in 2009, and is expected to rise by 0.6% before 2010 and probably will continue to increase by 1% in 2011. &lt;br /&gt;
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Britain has the fifth-largest economy in the world, is the second-largest economy in the European Union, and is a major international trading power. A highly developed, diversified, market-based economy with extensive social welfare services provides most residents with a high standard of living. Unemployment and inflation levels are amongst the lowest within the European Union.&lt;br /&gt;
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Since 1979, the British Government has privatised most state-owned companies, including British Steel, British Airways, British Telecom, British Coal, British Aerospace, and British Gas, although in some cases the government retains a &amp;quot;golden share&amp;quot; in these companies. The previous Labour government continued the privatisation policy of its Conservative predecessor, particularly by encouraging &amp;quot;public-private partnerships&amp;quot; (partial privatisation) in such areas as the London Underground. The economy of the United Kingdom is now primarily based on private enterprise, accounting for approximately four-fifths of employment and output. &lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Bluewater Shopping Centre, Kent, England Crop 2009.jpg|thumb|440px|Bluewater Shopping Centre, Kent, 2009.]]&lt;br /&gt;
London ranks alongside New York as a leading international financial centre. London's financial exports contribute greatly to the United Kingdom's balance of payments. Ratings agencies rank the United Kingdom's banking sector as one of the strongest in the world and its banks are amongst the most profitable in the G-8. It is a global leader in emissions trading and is home to the Alternative Investment Market (AIM). It is also a government priority to make London the leading center of Islamic finance. &lt;br /&gt;
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Britain is the European Union's only significant energy exporter. It is also one of the world's largest energy consumers, and most analysts predict a shift in U.K. status from net exporter to net importer of energy by 2020, possibly sooner. Oil production in the U.K. is levelling off. While North Sea natural gas production continues to rise, gains may be offset by ever-increasing consumption. North Sea oil and gas exploration activities are shifting to smaller fields and to increments of larger, developed fields, presenting opportunities for smaller, independent energy operators to become active in North Sea production. &lt;br /&gt;
*GDP (at current market prices, 2007 est.): US$1.93 trillion.&lt;br /&gt;
*Annual growth rate (2009 est.): -4.6%&lt;br /&gt;
*Per capita GDP (2006 est.): US$31,800. &lt;br /&gt;
*Natural resources: Coal, oil, natural gas.&lt;br /&gt;
*Agriculture (1.1% of GDP): Products--cereals, oilseed, potatoes, vegetables, cattle, sheep, poultry, fish.&lt;br /&gt;
*Industry: Types--steel, heavy engineering and metal manufacturing, textiles, motor vehicles and aircraft, construction (5.2% of GDP), electronics, chemicals.&lt;br /&gt;
*Trade (2006 est.): Exports of goods and services--US$468.8 billion: manufactured goods, fuels, chemicals; food, beverages, tobacco. Major markets--U.S., European Union. Imports of goods and services--US$603 billion: manufactured goods, machinery, fuels, foodstuffs. Major suppliers--U.S., European Union, Japan. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Currency===&lt;br /&gt;
The currency of the United Kingdom is the [[Pound|Pound Sterling]], commonly called Pound and written £ or GBP, divided into 100 New Pence (now commonly just called pence or 'p'). Traditionally the UK had a complicated triple currency structure of 20 [[shilling|shillings]] to the Pound and 12 &amp;quot;old pence&amp;quot; (represented by a &amp;quot;d&amp;quot; from the Roman ''denarius'') to the shilling, making a total of 240 pence to the Pound. This system was abandoned in 1971 due to difficulties with computerised accounting systems, in favour of the current [[decimal]] system. &lt;br /&gt;
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The UK has never joined the [[Euro]] zone.&lt;br /&gt;
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==History==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Stonehenge.jpg|thumb|left|Stonehenge.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Roman invasion of Britain in 43AD and most of Britain's subsequent incorporation into the Roman Empire stimulated development and brought more active contacts with the rest of Europe. However, there was no permanent Roman imprint apart from roads and locations for cities. As Rome's strength declined, the country again was exposed to invasion--including the pivotal incursions of the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes in the fifth and sixth centuries AD--up to the Norman conquest in 1066. Norman rule effectively ensured Britain's safety from further intrusions; certain institutions, which remain characteristic of Britain, could develop. Among these are a political, administrative, cultural, and economic centre in London; a separate but established church and  distinctive and distinguished university education. &lt;br /&gt;
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Both Wales and Scotland were independent kingdoms that resisted English rule. The English conquest of Wales succeeded in 1282 under Edward I, and the Statute of Rhuddlan established English rule 2 years later. To appease the Welsh, Edward's son (later Edward II), who had been born in Wales, was made Prince of Wales in 1301. The tradition of bestowing this title on the eldest son of the British Monarch continues today. An act of 1536 completed the political and administrative union of England and Wales. &lt;br /&gt;
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While maintaining separate parliaments, England and Scotland were ruled by the same king beginning in 1603, when James VI of Scotland succeeded his cousin Elizabeth I as James I of England. In the ensuing 100 years, strong religious and political differences divided the kingdoms. Finally, in 1707, England and Scotland were unified as Great Britain, sharing a single Parliament at Westminster. &lt;br /&gt;
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Ireland's invasion by the Anglo-Normans in 1170 led to centuries of strife. Successive English kings sought to conquer Ireland. In the early 17th century, large-scale settlement of the north from Scotland and England began. After its defeat, Ireland was subjected, with varying degrees of success, to control and regulation by Britain. &lt;br /&gt;
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The legislative union of Great Britain and Ireland was completed on January 1, 1801, under the name of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (normally shortened to &amp;quot;Great Britain&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Britain&amp;quot;).  However, armed struggle for independence continued sporadically into the 20th century. The Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921 established the Irish Free State, which subsequently left the Commonwealth and became a republic after World War II. Six northern, predominantly [[Protestant]], Irish counties have remained part of the United Kingdom.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Sir Francis Grant's Portrait of Queen Victoria.jpg|right|200px|thumb|''Queen Victoria'', by [[Sir Francis Grant]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
The '''British Empire''' was the [[List of largest empires|largest empire]] in history and, for over a century, was the foremost [[Great power|global power]]. It was a product of the [[Age of Discovery]], which began with the maritime explorations of the 15th century, that sparked the era of the European [[Colonialism|colonial]] empires.  By 1921, the British Empire held sway over a population of about 458 million people, approximately one-quarter of the world's population.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Angus Maddison. ''The World Economy: A Millennial Perspective'' (p. 98, 242). [[Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development|OECD]], Paris, 2001.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; It covered about 36.7 million km² (14.2 million square miles),&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Bruce R. Gordon. [http://www.hostkingdom.net/earthrul.html ''To Rule the Earth...''] (See [http://www.hostkingdom.net/Bibliography.html Bibliography] for sources used.)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; about a quarter of Earth's total land area. As a result, its political, linguistic and cultural legacy is widespread. At the peak of its power, it was often said that &amp;quot;[[The empire on which the sun never sets|the sun never sets on the British Empire]]&amp;quot; because its span across the globe ensured that the sun was always shining on at least one of its numerous [[colonies]] or subject nations.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;This phrase had already been used a few centuries before by the king [[Charles I of Spain]], referring to the [[Spanish Empire]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Begun initially to support William the Conqueror's (c. 1029-1087) holdings in France, Britain's policy of active involvement in continental European affairs endured for several hundred years. By the end of the 14th century, foreign trade, originally based on wool exports to Europe, had emerged as a cornerstone of national policy. &lt;br /&gt;
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During the five decades following [[World War II]], most of the territories of the Empire became independent. Many went on to join the [[Commonwealth of Nations]], a free association of independent states. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;T. O. Lloyd, ''The British Empire, 1558-1995. 2nd ed. (1996). &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Some have retained the [[British monarch]] as their [[head of state]] to become independent [[Commonwealth realm]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
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The foundations of sea power were gradually laid to protect English trade and open up new routes. Defeat of the Spanish Armada in 1588 firmly established England as a major sea power. Thereafter, its interests outside Europe grew steadily. Attracted by the spice trade, English mercantile interests spread first to the Far East. In search of an alternate route to the Spice Islands, John Cabot reached the North American continent in 1498. Sir Walter Raleigh organized the first, short-lived colony in Virginia in 1584, and permanent English settlement began in 1607 at Jamestown, Virginia. During the next two centuries, Britain extended its influence abroad and consolidated its political development at home, as the Royal Navy dominated the seas.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Bradford Industrial Museum.jpg|thumb|left|Bradford Industrial Museum.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Britain's [[industrial revolution]] greatly strengthened its ability to oppose Napoleonic France. By the end of the Napoleonic Wars in 1815, Britain was the foremost European power, and its navy ruled the seas. Peace in Europe allowed the British to focus their interests on more remote parts of the world, and, during this period, the British Empire reached its zenith. British colonial expansion reached its height largely during the reign of Queen Victoria (1837-1901). Queen Victoria's reign witnessed the spread of British technology, commerce, language, and government throughout the British Empire, which, at its greatest extent, encompassed roughly one-fifth to one-quarter of the world's area and population. It is controversial whether British colonies accelerated or slowed Britain's economic growth, for its growth rate fell below nations without empires, especially the U.S. and germany. Democracy came in fits and starts in a series of reforms that finally, by the 1920s, allowed all adults to vote.&lt;br /&gt;
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By the time of Queen Victoria's death in 1901, other nations, including the United States and Germany, had developed their own industries; Britain lost its comparative economic advantage, and the ambitions of its rivals had grown. The UK joined world war I because of the invasion of [[Belgium]], and subsequently began [[World War II]] after the invasion of [[Poland]]. The losses and destruction of [[World War I|The First World War]], the [[Great Depression]] of the 1930s, the independence of the Dominions, and decades of relatively slow growth eroded the Britain's preeminent international position of the previous century. &lt;br /&gt;
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Nationalism became stronger in other parts of the empire, particularly in India and Egypt. &lt;br /&gt;
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In 1926, Britain granted Australia, Canada, and New Zealand almost complete autonomy as &amp;quot;dominions&amp;quot;; beginning with the independence of India and Pakistan in 1947, the remainder of the British Empire was almost completely dismantled by the 1960s.&lt;br /&gt;
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== United Kingdom and moral decline ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Hitchens,_Stanford.jpg‎ |right|thumb|200px|[[Christopher Hitchens]] is an outspoken [[atheism|atheist]] in Britain.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In 2011 and in recent years, there have been number of reports on the decline of morality in [[Britain]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://creation.com/britain-needs-god ''Britain needs God''  by Creation Ministries International]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://creation.com/lying-as-survival-strategy ''Why is England burning? by Creation Ministries International'']&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8695318/UK-riots-David-Cameron-promises-to-restore-sense-of-morality-as-police-get-new-powers.html UK riots: David Cameron promises to restore 'sense of morality' as police get new powers]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Article.aspx?id=171651 British morality, Jerusalem Post, By JERUSALEM POST, 03/24/2010]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.socialaffairsunit.org.uk/blog/archives/000237.php The Strange Death of Moral Britain by Christie Davies]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/economy-lab/carl-mortished/uk-welfare-plan-saves-money-but-morally-bankrupt/article1790653/ U.K. welfare plan: Saves money, but morally bankrupt, Globe and Mail,Nov. 09, 2010 by Carl Mortished]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  [[Peter Hitchens]] is the [[ex-atheists|ex-atheist]] brother of atheist [[Christopher Hitchens]]. In an article entitled &amp;quot;Britain Needs God&amp;quot; [[Creation Ministries International]] declared:&lt;br /&gt;
{{cquote|Peter also wrote of what he saw as the growing public discourtesy and incivility in [[Britain]]. When he returned to London, after a five-year absence, he was shocked by the decline in people’s behaviour. He commented, “The rapid vanishing of [[Christianity]] from public consciousness and life, as the last fully [[Christian]] generation ages and disappears, seems to me to be a major part of it. I do not think I would have been half so shocked by the squalor and rudeness of 1990 [[Moscow]], if I had not come from a country where Christian forbearance was still well-established. If I had then been able to see the [[London]] of 2010, I would have been equally shocked.” In many respects, Peter’s book is a warning to people, as to the kind of society they can expect if they continue to reject Christian beliefs.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://creation.com/britain-needs-god ''Britain needs God'']&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In an article entitled &amp;quot;Why is England Burning&amp;quot; [[Creation Ministries International]] wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
{{cquote|Few will have missed the shocking reports of the riots seen recently throughout [[England]]. Gangs of young adults and teenagers have been on the rampage, smashing windows, looting shops, and burning cars and warehouses. Even large deployments of police have been unable to contain them.&lt;br /&gt;
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Many have been asking why all this is happening. Some reply that it is due to deep anger and frustration amongst youth, who feel they have no future, no possibility of getting a job and no stake in society. Others claim it is simply rebellion against authority and wanton criminality. Conservatives point to the disruption of family life, the promotion of single motherhood, the lack of discipline in schools and the ‘rights culture’. Liberals blame the lack of equality in society and say the answer lies in providing the young with more opportunities and better education. While there is some truth in all these views, they all fail to address the deeper issues and the true root cause of Britain’s moral and social decline.&lt;br /&gt;
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What is happening in England is the inevitable consequence of a nation rejecting [[God]] and His [[Word]]. Instead of believing what God has said, people readily believe the modern academics and politicians, who assure us that the [[Bible]] is no more than a [http://creation.com/genesis-myth-or-history book of myths] and that we can forge a better society based on [[secularism]]. Accepting this view has led to there being no final authority, no absolute basis for [[moralit]]y and no clarity about who or what we are... &lt;br /&gt;
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When I was at school in the 1960s and 1970s, the Christian thinking and values of previous generations were still evident. General behaviour, truthfulness and respect were still considered more important than academic or material success. This was based on the view that we were made in the image of God, and good character was necessary to preserve this...&lt;br /&gt;
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In contrast to all this, much of today’s educational system places little if any value on such biblical ideas. This is not surprising; if even many church leaders claim Genesis is not real history, then original sin is but a myth. In fact, it is quite likely that the ‘progressive’ educationist will take a different view simply because they think that, if the Bible teaches something, it is probably wrong. The teachers know that they themselves lie, and the head teacher lies—so why should they expect their pupils not to lie? Indeed, a recent New Scientist article actually argued, from an [[evolution|evolutionary]] standpoint, that [http://creation.com/lying-as-survival-strategy lying in our personal, professional and social lives is a strategy for survival!] The objective of education is no longer to equip young people to serve in the community, but to maximize their ‘potential for self-fulfillment’. The great heroes of the modern age are not those who have sacrificially given themselves for others, but those who have fought for themselves and their ‘rights’. Humanists, in defiance of the true history in Genesis 3, assert the doctrine of the intrinsic goodness of humanity and see no need to teach right and wrong.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://creation.com/lying-as-survival-strategy ''Why is England burning?'']&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== See also ==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[English Painting]]&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[June 2007 UK terror attacks]]&lt;br /&gt;
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*[http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/15/sir-john-chilcot-wrong-man Sir John Chilcot 'wrong man to head Iraq invasion inquiry'.]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/iraqi-oil-supply-was-considered-to-be-vital-to-british-interests-2270072.html Iraqi oil supply was considered to be 'vital' to British interests.]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{welcome}} A little late but ya know! :P --[[User:BethanyS|Beth]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:BethanyS|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 15:17, 20 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thank you for the welcome. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 15:22, 20 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Quite welcome! *grin* --[[User:BethanyS|BCS]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:BethanyS|Talk2'''ME''']]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:01, 7 November 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for your edit on David.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 12:29, 9 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You're welcome, and thank you for all of the work that you've put into Conservapedia. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 15:37, 9 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Wikipedia as a Liberal website==&lt;br /&gt;
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I've had [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Deliberate_ignorance&amp;amp;curid=59383&amp;amp;diff=777288&amp;amp;oldid=776455&amp;amp;rcid=854743 the same problem] at Wikipedia. Is it really an encyclopedia, or just a discussion board posing as one? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:30, 10 May 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Good question, and I'm inclined to think the latter.  Wikipedia articles all too often get hijacked by people who care more about their pet opinions than about the facts.  In typical liberal fashion, they've construed &amp;quot;NPOV&amp;quot; to mean &amp;quot;my POV.&amp;quot;  [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 13:06, 12 May 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merging the streams==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Thames_River&amp;amp;curid=112790&amp;amp;diff=877403&amp;amp;oldid=875266&amp;amp;rcid=1187409 Nice merge], keep up the good work! --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:48, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 12:49, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Good golly!==&lt;br /&gt;
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I had no idea you've been here for 4 years. How could I have missed all your contributions? (Probably because I was too busy interacting with project opponents). Anyway thank you for creating [[Cafeteria Christianity]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 14:38, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You're welcome, and I'm glad you like it. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 16:17, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Oops!==&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually you [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Homosexual_Agenda&amp;amp;curid=69968&amp;amp;diff=877518&amp;amp;oldid=877453&amp;amp;rcid=1187531 did the merge] ... I will now go eat my words. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 16:40, 9 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merging in your sleep==&lt;br /&gt;
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How about merging [[dormancy]] with [[hibernation]] and [[aestivation]]? The first is the main article, with the 2nd two just being seasonal ways of saying the same thing. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 14:33, 1 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Done. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 11:28, 2 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edit to [[Bible]] in the dictionary project ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservative_Dictionary_Project_%28B%29&amp;amp;curid=115858&amp;amp;diff=912739&amp;amp;oldid=911665 this edit]; I wasn't very clear the first time, but your addition is much better than my original. Thanks! [[User:KevinDavis|Kevin Davis]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:KevinDavis|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:47, 9 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You're quite welcome, and I'm glad you liked my edit. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 06:52, 10 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Promotion: blocking privileges ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Congratulations, David:  now you can block other accounts!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:33, 8 November 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thank you for the trust that you have put in me. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 07:24, 9 November 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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You blocked my ip because my username was not a first name and initial. I would like to point out that it does not state anywhere that this is a requirement of signing up.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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