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<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div><center>''This page is for intelligent discussion only related to Main Page content! We are attempting to better coordinate editors<br> for collaborative input on MPR news reporting. Non-MSM sources can be qualified for MPR use here. Please place your<br> contribution on the appropriate thread for other editors to participate and discuss. This will help focus priority content for<br> inclusion on MPR. If you think the item you are sharing does not fit on an existing topic thread, feel free to create a new thread<br> at the bottom of the page. Our intent is to promote discussion and get readers and editors eyes off programmed MSM [[collective]]<br> herd [[brainwashing]], and to develop more of a consensus editorial stance among [[conservative]]s for wider distribution. We decide<br> what is news, not what is spoon fed us by the MSM. All other off-topic discussions, suggestions, socializing, frivolous rants,<br> rehashing MSM garbage and [[spam]] should be posted at the<br> '''[[Conservapedia:Community Portal]]'''.''</center><br /> <br /> <br /> [[Talk:Main Page/Archive index]]<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Propaganda news==<br /> [[File:USA Zelensky flush.PNG|right|280px|thumb|''In the United States, there are fewer and fewer people willing to arm Ukrainian Nazis.'' [https://www.politnavigator.net/v-ssha-vse-menshe-zhelayushhikh-vooruzhat-ukrainskikh-nacistov.html] ]]<br /> *CNN: [https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/22/asia/nuclear-testing-china-russia-us-exclusive-intl-hnk-ml/index.html Exclusive: Satellite images show increased activity at nuclear test sites in Russia, China and US]. “Russia, the United States and China have all built new facilities and dug new tunnels at their nuclear test sites in recent years, satellite images obtained exclusively by CNN show, at a time when tensions between the three major nuclear powers have risen to their highest in decades”. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:44, September 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :*Gilbert Doctorow: [https://gilbertdoctorow.substack.com/p/no-survivors-if-russia-unleashes No survivors if Russia unleashes nuclear arsenal: Putin / Live discussion on WION, Indian television].<br /> *[[AP]]: [https://news.yahoo.com/cracks-western-wall-support-ukraine-040242804.html Cracks in Western wall of support for Ukraine emerge as Eastern Europe and US head toward elections] “Once rock-solid, the support that Ukraine has gotten from its biggest backers for its fight against Russia is showing cracks...The West has long been shoulder-to-shoulder with Ukraine against Russia…But between Ukraine's impassioned, unending pleas for help, and huge handouts from its backers, signs of discord have emerged”<br /> <br /> *[[NYT]]: [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/23/world/europe/eu-ukraine-war-ammunition.html “The pledge last March sounded as catchy as it was ambitious: European Union states would deliver a million rounds of 155-millimeter ammunition to Ukraine within a year...Now, at a critical moment in the war and with Ukraine running short of artillery shells to drive its counteroffensive, experts, weapons manufacturers and even some government officials are expressing growing doubts…Europe’s shrunken military sector, they say, may simply be unable to ramp up production fast enough to achieve the million-shell goal”.]<br /> : [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:08, September 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://thealtworld.com/alastair_crooke/blinkens-variable-geometry-for-a-new-cold-war Blinken’s ‘Variable Geometry’ for a New Cold War]. Maybe our resident Geopolitical expert can expalin what "Variable Geometry" is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:24, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[[Mark Dice]]: [https://youtu.be/tExxkV1Xgzg It All Makes Sense Now]. Update on [[Wikipedia]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:52, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://youtu.be/VLRm-5QHMpY Prof. John J. Mearsheimer: Who Really Started Ukraine War?] - [[Judge Napolitano]]. Oops, looks like Prof. Mearsheimer disagrees with User:Conservative again. Maybe Cons is just misquoting him. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:27, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://sonar21.com/an-open-letter-to-justin-trudeau-and-the-canadian-people/ AN OPEN LETTER TO JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND THE CANADIAN PEOPLE]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:31, September 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://sonar21.com/a-russia-question/ A Russia question]. <br /> :*''"In conclusion, it appears that Russia’s slow approach is having the effect of '''demilitarizing both Ukraine and NATO''', as well as starting an effort to '''denazify both Ukraine and Canada'''. The slow approach is also causing cracks in the European Union over Ukrainian grain. In addition, '''Poland is supposedly thinking about asking for reparations from Germany''' for WWII damages—which is problematical, since '''Russia could use the same facts as a basis for requesting payment from Poland for Russia liberating Poland from Germany''' in WWII. Public opinion in Russia seems to be solidly behind Putin, and the various recent international meetings and summits indicate that the [[Global South]] is more sympathetic toward Russia than a year ago. Of course, the calculus may change in the future and Russia could strike hard in order to finally collapse some weakened institutions. It is a judgment call." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:39, September 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[[Scott Ritter]]: ''"Anybody who has a Ukrainian flag on the [[social media]], you're a Nazi supporter, you're the scum of the earth. Want to know why? Because you're too stupid to do the research into why you think you support Ukraine. And if you think I'm wrong, I will debate you anywhere anytime on this issue because I will crush you. Because I have the facts, you don't. And you're stupid, because you put the Ukrainian flag up there and you don't know why you do it. Or if you do know why you do it, then you really are a [[Nazi supporter]]."'' [https://youtu.be/fu38JBzLkfc?t=1642]<br /> :Amen, brother. That's what I've been saying since the beginning. Unfortunately, we have enough of our own [[nazisymp]]s to deal with locally. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:42, September 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[[RT]]: [https://www.rt.com/news/583537-hungary-support-ukraine-language-rights/ Hungary issues ethnic rights ultimatum to Ukraine]<br /> :*''"The Kiev regime implemented a policy of forced recruitment focused on regions with non-Ukrainian majority. The Hungarians of [[Transcarpathia]] were the biggest victims of this process, being forcibly sent to the front lines, even without appropriate training and equipment. This was particularly intense during the brutal fighting that took place in the region of Artyomovsk (called “[[Bakhmut]]” by the Ukrainians). Many ethnic [[Hungarian]]s died during the so-called “[[Bakhmut meat grinder]]“, as Ukrainian military officers were sending citizens forcibly captured in Transcarpathia to the front. The objective was to save as many Ukrainian soldiers as possible, since they are considered racially “superior” by the neo-Nazi regime, keeping them in the rear, and eliminate citizens of other ethnicities during the intense fighting against the Russian armed forces. Thus, Ukrainian [[genocide]] policies were elevated from the cultural level to the level of physical elimination"'' [https://southfront.press/hungarian-patience-with-ukraine-running-out/]<br /> :: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:51, September 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Here is an item from Sept. 9 I never got a chance to post or incorporate into an article because of the endless hours of [[trolling]] I've endured over just the past 2 weeks. [https://www.politnavigator.net/bezhavshie-iz-rossii-liberaly-pozorili-imya-russkikh-na-gejj-parade-v-belgrade.html Liberals who fled Russia disgraced the name of Russians at the gay pride parade in Belgrade]. Someday, perhaps if we could ever build a spirit of cooperation between editors like in [[Team CP]] instead of people attempting to subvert it, we could get a team of editors together to keep conservative readers of MPR apprised of the latest cutting edge news they can't get elsewhere. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:30, September 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :*Excerpted (machine translated. You can learn a lot about a culture and its accepted cultural norms by how its news is reported):<br /> ::*''"Emigrants from Russia who settled in Serbia after the start of the [[NWO]] made up the majority of participants in the Belgrade Pride held last Saturday. This year, the [[LGBT]] event in the Serbian capital was held without much incident.<br /> <br /> :::''"According to the correspondent of PolitNavigator, thousands of [[pervert]]s and their sympathizers took part in the [[gay parade]] in [[Belgrade]] under the motto "We are not close." The slogan of the event hinted that [[Serbia]]n society is not yet as [[tolerant]] of [[sodomy]] as in [[Western]] states. In particular, Serbian President Aleksandar Vučić and Belgrade Mayor Aleksandar Šapić defiantly refused to decorate state buildings in the Serbian capital in rainbow colors, as is the case in other world cities where similar processions take place. At the same time, unlike in previous years, there was no mass indignation on the part of the residents of Belgrade. If in past years [[Orthodox]] activists and football fans [ [[football hooligan]]s ] staged real battles with the police guarding LGBT actions, this time only fifty people came to protest against the Belgrade Pride, among whom Orthodox priests predominated.<br /> <br /> :::''As expected, the embassies of 25 Western countries that signed the appeal spoke in support of the [[sodomite]] event:<br /> ::::''"On the occasion of Belgrade Pride 2023, we want to reaffirm our commitment to respect, promote and protect human rights for all.... We are proud to support the LGBTQ+ community in Serbia and strongly support the values that Pride represents – acceptance, inclusivity and diversity," the document says.<br /> <br /> :::''At the same time, as noted by many Serbian media and online publics, the bulk of the participants in the current "rainbow" march were relocators from [[Russia]]. In particular, one Serbian reporter approached the participants of the current gay action and tried to speak to them in Serbian, but they offered to switch to [[English]] in response. Then they said that they came to Belgrade from Russia...."<br /> :::: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:44, September 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::So apparently, all the people fleeing Russia are all [[gay]], where they can live openly as gay in the West. Of course, our Western MSM would never report those facts, they'd rather attack [[Putin]] for being "[[authoritarian]]". Connect the dots: if you oppose [[gay rights]], you are "authoritarian". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:56, September 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://sonar21.com/america-the-not-so-beautiful-has-no-business-lecturing-other-countries/ America has no business lecturing other countries]. <br /> <br /> *[https://consortiumnews.com/2023/09/28/uk-france-should-relinquish-permanent-un-seats/ UK & France Should Relinquish Permanent UN Seats]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:23, September 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://youtu.be/pK4SZ5IzeRE The New Atlas LIVE: Mark Sleboda on West Pivots to "Long War" in Ukraine, Industry to Decide Victor]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:09, September 29, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/09/29/something-necessary-to-understand-about-washington-dc/ Something Necessary to Understand About Washington DC]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:56, September 29, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :*''If you are reading this, wherever you are reading this, by self-association you are in a select group of high information people with a much larger understanding of the issues than your network. That means you know, comprehend, understand and have a level of insight and discernment that is far above average. Now, let me be brutally honest.<br /> <br /> ::''Factually speaking, all of the people within the mechanisms of DC; the people you associate with being key allies to fight back against the visible corruption; the people you assign hope toward; are not as smart as you.<br /> <br /> ::''Re-read that as needed.<br /> <br /> ::'''''One of the biggest shifts of thinking needed in order to change our dynamic to the abusive relationship with government, is to realize these people you consider important are just not that smart.''''' They are not wiser; they are not more strategic; they are not as well versed in the details at the heart of the crisis; they are not as well informed; they do not have special access to information that makes them more capable; they do not understand the issues better than you.<br /> <br /> ::''Again, RE-READ that with new eyes to evaluate and understand the challenge.<br /> <br /> ::''It doesn’t matter what position they hold, or what access they have, or what groups, interests, networks or information resources are at their disposal. You know more than them, and you understand the material at a much higher level of comprehension than they do. It does not matter what their rank or importance is, YOU know more. Once you realize this, then you begin to change how you look at the challenge and at their functional capability within it.,,,<br /> ::: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:59, September 29, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://youtu.be/ulw1g-5hnwI Mariupol City reconstruction progress]. It's like the [https://youtu.be/vKuAcd0u6ys Portland travel video.] Man, those Russians caught on to [[capitalism]] fast. I'm going to book my next vacation in Mariupol by the Sea. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:52, September 29, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *''Gatewaypubdit:'' [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/day-dead-neo-nazi-azov-brigade-conducts-torchlight/ “Day of the Dead”: Neo-Nazi Azov Brigade Conducts Torchlight Rallies All Over Ukraine]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 05:34, October 1, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Zerohedge: [https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-09-28/european-union-leadership-announced-new-lebensraum-expansion-policy European Union Leadership Announced New Lebensraum Expansion Policy]. ''"The European Elites have a stunning new plan to defeat the fearsome Russian hordes marching toward Central Europe again. EU grand strategists will reinvent Adolph Hitler’s idea of [[Lebensraum]]. French Europe Minister Laurence Boone told [[Politico|POLITICO]] recently that the only way to combat Putin’s yearning for conquest is for the [[EU]] bloc to expand....the EU is preparing for a potential wave of expansion that could extend the bloc by as many as eight new members, including Ukraine and six [[Balkan]] countries...As for Hitler’s grand plan of ‘Lebensraum,’ which he laid out in his book [[Mein Kampf]] (banned in Russia), the German Reich would gain power and control of nations to the east to colonize them with German settlers. The [[Slav]]s who lived in these territories were to be wiped away by expulsion, enslavement, and slaughter. And [[Western]]ers still wonder at Vladimir Putin’s warnings about Nazis in Ukraine and having a neutral zone between the EU and Russia. Russians and Ukrainians are brother Slavs, [[genetic]]ally. Today, the [[Serb]]s, [[Bosnia]]ns, [[Belarus]]sians, and Ukrainians are in the crosshairs of EU President [[Ursula von der Leyen]] (who I lovingly refer to as von der Clucky) and her handlers, the Western [[oligarch]]s and the Royal houses of central and Western Europe. [[Bulgaria]]ns, [[Croat]]s, [[Macedonia]]ns, [[Montenegrin]]s, and even the [[Slovene]]s have already been assimilated into what looks more and more like a [[Fouth Nazi Reich]]."'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:19, October 1, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://billingsreport.com/jamaal-bowman-in-damage-control-backtracks-after-staff-labels-republicans-nazis/ Jamaal Bowman in Damage Control: Backtracks After Staff Labels Republicans ‘Nazis’]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:16, October 6, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :*Update: [https://billingsreport.com/republicans-turn-up-the-heat-on-capitol-police-over-jamaal-bowman-pulling-fire-alarm/ Republicans Turn Up the Heat on Attempted Insurrection By Democrat].<br /> ::Comment: We don't have to say "attempted insurrection", we can say "insurrectionist who disrupted a public proceeding". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:37, October 7, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Black Mountain Analysis: [https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/short-update Short Update]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:24, October 7, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Black Mountain Analysis: [https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/crude-oil-part-1 Crude Oil (Part 1)]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:51, October 7, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Flashback: [https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/israel-s-first-openly-transgender-soldier-paves-way-others-n742876 Israel's First Openly Transgender Soldier Paves the Way for Others, NBC News, April 5, 2017]. Apparently, this didn't go over well with Israel's [[de-secularized]] neighbors. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup><br /> <br /> *Korybko: [https://korybko.substack.com/p/the-polish-security-services-warned The Polish Security Services Warned About Post-Election Unrest Driven By Claims Of Fraud]<br /> <br /> *ALASTAIR CROOKE: [https://thealtworld.com/alastair_crooke/sustained-peace-with-russia-is-it-possible Sustained Peace With Russia? Is It Possible?].<br /> <br /> *Sam Gerrens: [https://samgerrans.substack.com/p/objective-conditions-for-total-propaganda Objective Conditions For Total Propaganda]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:43, October 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[[Glenn Beck]]: [https://rumble.com/v3nsuxt-the-great-reset-24-joe-biden-and-the-rise-of-21st-century-fascism.html THE GREAT RESET #24: Joe Biden & the Rise of 21st-Century Fascism]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:34, October 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://youtu.be/0IKCo3MVW1o Extremist Politics in Israel and Ukraine - Alastair Crooke, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:26, October 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *SIMPLICIUS THE THINKER: [https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israeli-ground-forces-get-cold-feet Israeli Ground Forces Get Cold Feet? + Ukraine War Updates]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:37, October 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === I can't believe I'm saying this... but Putin here actually made an excellent point ===<br /> <br /> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vaIlhFe9t8 In summary, how did Rota not know that someone in WWII who fought against the Russians was a Nazi? Only two possibilities remain: Rota was either an utter idiot or a bastard.] —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 20:23, October 5, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Rota did not have exclusive control over who has physical access to the House chamber, and being within the presence of world leaders. Hunka was vetted in a background search first. [[Chrystia Freeland]]'s hand is all over this. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:21, October 6, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Ah yes, wasn't her grandpa a Nazi? I guess the Socialism runs in the family. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 18:16, October 6, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::In this case it's the nationalism side of national socialism, which User:Conservativer claims Vladimir [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/206#Why_Russia_invaded_Ukraine._Putin_underestimated_Ukrainian_nationalism. Putin underestimated when he set about de-nazifying] Ukraine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:09, October 6, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The nationalism ''is'' the socialism. Whether phrased as "nationalizing the people" or "socializing the people," it all means the same thing: killing the Jews to create a ☭Socialist Utopia☭. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 19:14, October 6, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::Now you sound like a liberal communist in the Cold War era trying to explain away the socialist side of national socialism. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:27, October 6, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==NATO war news==<br /> *[https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/how-the-us-could-be-manuevering-to How the US Could Be Manuevering to Replace Zelensky with Ukraine's Top General Zaluzhny]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:38, September 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> *[https://nonzero.substack.com/p/rand-report-warns-of-nuclear-escalation RAND report warns of nuclear escalation in Ukraine]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:54, September 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> *After catastrophic failure of their close-enough cousins, the [[Leopard 2|German Leopards]]… U.S. [[M1 Abrams]] tanks are on the ground at the U.S. logistical base near [[Rzeszów, Poland]], right now (you know, every soldier and airman has at least one phone, and every phone has a camera, LOL, no secrets from Dreizin!!!), and will be railed into the [[Borscht Reich]] THIS WEEKEND. [https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/09/22/after-catastrophic-failure-of-their-close-enough-cousins-the-german-leopards-u-s-m1-abrams-tanks-are-on-the-ground-at-the-u-s-logistical-base-near-rzeszow-poland-right-now-and-will-be-railed/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:21, September 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> *Just a matter of time before U.S. State Media are “cleared” to declare: Ukr Great Counter-Suck-Fensive is not “still progressing slowly” (LOL)… it is OVER, ***NO FURTHER ATTEMPTS TO ADVANCE ON ANY FRONT***; Russian advance in the north has also ceased. Ukr strike forces raised December 2022 – April 2023 are completely exhausted. Ukr losses since June 4th (60%+ of casualties are from “elite” or “first echelon” ground maneuver units or “special forces” type units or detachments) are **at least** 11,250 dead; **at least** 45,000 wounded (of whom at least 9000 have been or will be invalided out); ~1150 prisoners; unknown thousands of deserters. Gear destroyed, captured (net of working captures from Russia), or damaged beyond economical repair, is as follows: **At least** 550 fighting vehicles – **at least 90 artillery pieces** (incl. direct-fire guns & mortar carriers / self-propelled mortars) – 15-20 air defense launch vehicles of various sizes & ranges – **at least** 25 counterbattery radars, air defense radar stations, jamming stations, or command/comms vans; hundreds more vehicles in repair yards, “parking lots”, or still sitting where they were abandoned, many w/ unclear prospects as regards parts as well as availability of facilities and staff; ***23 to 27 manned aircraft destroyed***; 100+ army-grade cargo trucks (some from NATO) destroyed. Lastly, ENTIRE “available excess supply” of NATO country heavy-duty mineplows and tracked recovery vehicles was sent to the Ukr, & most have been lost. [https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/09/22/just-a-matter-of-time-before-u-s-state-media-are-cleared-to-declare-ukr-great-counter-suck-fensive-is-not-still-progressing-slowly-lol-it-is-over-no-further-attempts-to-advance-on-a/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:58, September 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> *Gilbert Doctorow: [https://gilbertdoctorow.substack.com/p/latest-news-on-the-war-these-past Latest news on the war: these past two days we have advanced considerably to a full-blown Russia-NATO war]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:00, September 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> *[[Gatewaypundit]]: [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/better-call-volga-10000-ukrainian-soldiers-surrender-using/ 10,000 Ukrainian Soldiers Surrender Using Special Radio Frequency to Escape Meat Grinder]<br /> *Ukraine Military Intelligence chief [[Kirill Budanov]]: "[https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/leo2-challenger2-abrams-last-long if the American armor [M1 Abrams] is deployed on the front line and just in a combined arms fight, they will not live very long on the battlefield with Russia”.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:57, September 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> *Dreizin: "In another “first” & a major escalation, GLOBOHOMO to station 2 AWACS planes & support personnel in Lithiuania for (allegedly) several weeks. 1 AWACS has already landed. Prior AWACS activity in Baltics involved overflights only. AWACS obviously intended to, at minimum, pull Russian attention & air defenses away from Crimea & Ukr border, *BUT* may also be used along the Crimean model, to find any brief gap or weakness in Russian air defenses, so as to precision-direct Ukr drone & missile attacks against Russian targets in Belarus, near Pskov, & (if flying over Estonia) northwest Russia generally. [https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/09/28/in-another-first-a-major-escalation-globohomo-to-station-2-awacs-planes-support-personnel-in-lithiuania-for-allegedly-several-weeks-1-awacs-has-already-landed-prior-awacs-activity-in-ba/]<br /> : [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:06, September 29, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Dreizin: First LARGE rail shipment of North Korean munitions (possibly also MLRS systems), has passed into Russia or will do so imminently. The grand conveyor belt is in motion; the cornucopia might as well be “inexhaustible.” [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:52, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://thealtworld.com/finian_cunningham/heinous-choreography-of-village-massacre-as-zelensky-begs-for-more-weapons-at-eu-summit Heinous Choreography of Village Massacre as Zelensky Begs for More Weapons at EU Summit]. "The false-flag provocation carried out by the Kiev regime has precedent, albeit not reported by the Western media." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:54, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://sonar21.com/russias-counter-offensive-in-the-donbas-front-is-accelerating/ RUSSIA’S COUNTER OFFENSIVE IN THE DONBAS FRONT IS ACCELERATING]. Well,duh. Biden/NATO/US wanted this war. Now they got it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:39, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://youtu.be/fbaDoy9_79I Polish Mercenaries Began To Die At The Hands Of The Ukrainian Army]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:48, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://thealtworld.com/finian_cunningham/more-proof-of-a-false-flag-massacre-at-village-funeral-by-kiev-regime More Proof of a False-Flag Massacre at Village Funeral by Kiev Regime]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:39, October 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Gilbert Doctorow: [https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2023/10/10/russians-pound-avdeevka-with-heavy-bombs-can-the-awaited-russian-offensive-be-approaching/ Russians pound Avdeevka with heavy bombs. Can the awaited Russian offensive be approaching?] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:26, October 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === New Ad from Republicans for Ukraine ===<br /> [[File:Anti-Putinism and neoconservativism.PNG|right|400px|thumb|[[Essay: Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian|Anti-Putinism]] is a neoconservative movement aimed at [[demonizing]] the Russian leader and promoting the interests of [[Globohomo]] and the [[Uniparty]]. ''Source:'' [https://thegrayzone.com/2023/08/21/neocon-dark-money-ad-blitz-ukraine-forever-war/ Neocon dark money front launches desperate ad blitz as support for Ukraine forever war craters], Alexander Rubinstein, ''The Greyzone'', August 21, 2023.]]<br /> "NEW: We are launching a new ad pushing for Republican members of Congress to support aid to Ukraine.<br /> <br /> The ad will air on the four major Sunday news shows in the D.C. market this Sunday, and it will also air nationally during the GOP primary debate on Fox Business." https://twitter.com/i/status/1703770860014739882<br /> <br /> Nice Ad. It's a quick 30 second add. I can put the transcript here if anyone wants, or you can view it in the above link: https://twitter.com/i/status/1703770860014739882 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:46, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :This is two weeks old. We already have it in the [[Neoconservativism]] article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:48, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::The Republican Party was better during its traditional Old Right era. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 14:49, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::The times they are a' changing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:50, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Our job here is to be on the cutting edge of the [[Conservative movement]], not to fall victim to [[dark money]] crowd [[propaganda]] and [[brainwashing]]. It begins with understanding how to properly qualify sources. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:53, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Click on the '''[[Essay: Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian|Anti-Putinism]]''' link and see what comes up. It's the only neocon criticism of [[Putin]] I can find in Conservapedia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:00, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::What our resident Geopolitical expert fails to understand is, even the [[Hudson Institute]] is subject to [[O'Sullivan's First Law]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:04, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Review: CAITLIN JOHNSTONE: [https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/bill-kristols-refreshingly-honest Bill Kristol's Refreshingly Honest Ukraine War Ad], [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:32, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::''"One of the dumbest things the empire asks us to believe is that this war simultaneously (A) was completely unprovoked and (B) just coincidentally happens to massively advance the strategic interests of the government accused of provoking it. From the moment Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022 westerners were aggressively hammered over and over and over again by the [[mass media]] with the uniform [[propaganda]] message that this was an “unprovoked invasion”, but ever since then we’ve also been receiving these peculiar messages from US empire managers and spinmeisters that this war is helping the United States crush its geopolitical enemies and advance its interests abroad.<br /> <br /> :::''"This bizarre two-step occurs because the US-centralized empire needs to convey two self-evidently contradictory messages to the public at all times:<br /> :::''1. that the US is an innocent little flower who just wants to help its good friends the Ukrainians protect their [[democracy]] from the murderous Russians who invaded solely because they are [[evil]] and [[hate]] [[freedom]], and<br /> :::''2. that it’s in the interest of Americans to continue this war.<br /> <br /> :::''"The second point is required because the message that the US is merely an innocent passive witness to the [[violence]] in Ukraine necessarily causes certain political factions to ask, “Okay, so what are we doing there then? Why are we pouring all this money into something that has nothing to do with us?” So another narrative is required to explain that backing this [[proxy war]] also just so happens to be a massive boon to US strategic interests abroad while creating American jobs manufacturing [[weapon]]s at home.<br /> <br /> :::[...] <br /> <br /> :::''"Only an [[idiot]] would believe the US is pouring weapons into another country because it loves the people who live there and wants them to be free, and that it is only by pure coincidence that this happens to kill a lot of Russians, bolster NATO, and advance US energy interests in [[Europe]]. It doesn’t benefit normal [[American]]s at home, but it absolutely does serve the interests of the globe-spanning empire that’s centralized around [[Washington]]. That’s why the empire deliberately provoked it.<br /> <br /> :::''"Empire managers were openly discussing the ways a war in Ukraine would directly benefit the [[US empire]] long before the invasion. In 2019 a [[Pentagon]]-funded [[Rand Corporation]] paper titled “[https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html Extending Russia — Competing from Advantageous Ground]” detailed how the empire can use proxy warfare, economic warfare and other [[Cold War]] tactics ..."<br /> :::: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:58, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> The ad is nigh irrefutable. At spending less than 5% of the Defense Budget, yet undermining more than 50% of Putin's Invading Army, the trade off is reasonable and the cause is righteous. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:01, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Yes, we've heard all the arguments for supporting Nazi Freedom Fighters. When will Ukraine have [[democracy|democratic]] elections? Oh, the [[Donbas]] had democratic elections two weeks ago, which went unreported. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:06, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Since we're supposed to support Ukrainian national sovereignty, they can go defend themselves instead of relying on everyone else. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 15:12, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::You can say that, but you are going to pay for [[Ukraine aid]] through [[inflation]]. These Nazis work for you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:07, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> You guys need to read this: https://www.cbo.gov/publication/58888 Some 500 BN dollars are wasted on interest payments, mostly to the Fed. #End the Fed, as Congressman Ron Paul used to rightly say, and you'll save Billions of Dollars and Trillions in the long run. Central Banking comes from the Communist Manifesto and is unnecessary in Capitalist Countries. There should be no blank cheque to Ukraine, nor an endless War. But a quick, swift pushing Thug Putin back to Russia, and it can be done at a small fraction of the budget of NATO countries. the NATO Alliance must be one for all, and all for one. I'm in favor of US/India Alliance and also of expanding NATO to Asia eventually. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:44, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :That sounds insane.<br /> <br /> :*[https://public.substack.com/p/its-time-to-stop-backing-ukraine It’s Time to Stop Backing Ukraine]. There is no victory in this war. There are only bad and worse outcomes. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:50, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::''"new soldiers last just two to three days on the front. And yet, the Biden administration is pushing for another $24 billion aid package for Ukraine. “There’s no alternative,” President Biden said about continued financing of the war.<br /> <br /> ::''"Ukraine is turning into the proxy version of Afghanistan or Iraq: an endless conflict in which victory is always around the corner, in which the Pentagon and the defense industry push for escalation after escalation regardless of the reality on the ground, in which deaths mount and a country is destroyed only to end in defeat or a Pyrrhic victory years later, once enough American voters have had their fill of war.<br /> <br /> ::''"But Biden is wrong: there is an alternative. It’s time to stop backing Ukraine and force an end to the war.<br /> :::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:02, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> "A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us." ~~ Holy Church Father St. Anthony the Great: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/659890-a-time-is-coming-when-men-will-go-mad-and [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:51, September 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://consortiumnews.com/2023/09/27/caitlin-johnstone-neocons-love-the-ukraine-war/ Caitlin Johnstone: Neocons Love the Ukraine War]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:25, September 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> *Greenwald: [https://rumble.com/v3l2rwp-system-update-show1-151.html Bill Kristol’s New War Propaganda Reveals the Real Goal in Ukraine.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:15, September 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Nazi glorification===<br /> [[File:Volodymyr Zelensky, Justin Trudeau, and Chrystia Freeland applaud Yaroslav Hunka of the Waffen SS Galicia Division during a session of the Canadian Parliament September 24 2023.PNG|right|300|thumb|Volodymyr Zelensky, [[Justin_Trudeau#Support_for_Nazism|Justin Trudeau]], and [[Chrystia Freeland]] applaud Yaroslav Hunka of the [[Waffen SS Galicia Division]] during a session of the Canadian Parliament, September 24, 2023.]]<br /> *[https://korybko.substack.com/p/jews-poles-and-russians-have-united Jews, Poles, & Russians Have United To Condemn Canada For Glorifying A Literal Nazi]<br /> :*''"In one fell swoop, [[Justin_Trudeau#Support_for_Nazism|Trudeau]] discredited himself as a so-called “champion of [[human rights]]”, while [[Zelensky]] proved beyond any doubt that an ethnic and practicing [[Jew]] can indeed glorify the [[Nazi]]s’ [[genocidal]] allies despite having family who were murdered in the [[Holocaust]]. <br /> *[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/09/24/justin-trudeau-and-ukraine-president-zelenskyy-honor-nazi-veteran-during-canadian-parliament-session/ Justin Trudeau and Ukraine President Zelenskyy Honor Nazi Veteran During Canadian Parliament Session]<br /> *[https://rumble.com/v3kh82w-canadians-pay-standing-ovation-to-actual-wwii-nazi.html During Zelensky’s joint address Canadian Parliament gives STANDING OVATION to Yaroslav Hunka, a 98-year-old Ukrainian NAZI COLLABORATOR that served in a WW 2 Nazi military unit.]<br /> *''[[The Hill]]:'' [https://youtu.be/mW_JSJFdGas NAZI Receives Standing Ovation At Zelensky Visit With Trudeau]<br /> *''[[Politico]]:'' [https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/24/nazi-linked-veteran-ovation-zelenkyy-canada-visit-00117857 Nazi-linked veteran received ovation during Zelenskyy’s Canada visit.] <br /> *''Zerohedge:'' [https://www.zerohedge.com/political/zelenskyy-trudeau-honor-actual-3rd-reich-nazi-standing-ovation Zelenskyy, Trudeau Honor Actual 3rd Reich Nazi With Standing Ovation].<br /> *[https://sonar21.com/what-is-wrong-with-canada/ What is wrong with Canada?]<br /> :*''"Yaraslov Hunka is a former Ukrainian soldier of the 14th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division. He was praised by the Speaker of Parliament for “fighting for Ukraine’s independence against the Russians” during World War II. Right there we have a big problem. The Speaker of Parliament displayed an incredible ignorance of history. During World War II Canada, as part of the British Commonwealth, was an ally of Russia (back then it was called the Soviet Union). The Russians lost more than a million soldiers fighting to free Ukraine from the tyranny of Hitler. Many Canadians died fighting Nazis like Mr. Hunka. These Canadian members of Parliament take stupid to a new low.''<br /> *[https://rumble.com/v3ki41e-canadian-parliament-gives-two-standing-ovations-to-literal-nazi-soldier-viv.html Canadian Parliament Gives TWO Standing Ovations to LITERAL Nazi Soldier!].<br /> *''[[Newsweek]]:'' [https://www.newsweek.com/yaroslav-hunka-nazi-ukraine-canada-parliament-1829520 Who is Yaroslav Hunka? Ukrainian With Nazi Past Honored in Canada?]<br /> *''Wikipedia:'' [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaroslav_Hunka Yaroslav Hunka] (Created September 25, 2023)<br /> *''Toronto Sun:'' [https://youtu.be/GlzTw3REmCY How did House of Commons invite a man who fought for the Nazis to Zelenskyy's speech?]<br /> *Judge Napolitano: [https://youtu.be/URPGq-W0Acs Ukrainian Nazis in Canada w/Larry Johnson fmr CIA].<br /> *[https://thealtworld.com/anthony_cartalucci/ukrainian-intel-head-admits-failures-canada-exposes-west-as-on-wrong-side-of-history Canada exposes West as on wrong side of history].<br /> *[https://consortiumnews.com/2023/08/29/us-victim-of-own-propaganda-in-ukraine-war/ US Victim of Own Propaganda in Ukraine War].<br /> :*''"An Aug. 21 [2023] Tweet from the [American] embassy with a message roughly translated from [[Czech]] to mean “Aggression always comes from the [[Kremlin]],” showed two photographs: the first displayed Soviet tanks in the streets of Prague in 1968. The second showed fire burning in front of a building and was marked “Odesa 2023.” ... “The bottom photo is from [[Odessa Trade Unions House massacre|2014 Odessa Clashes where pro federalism (mostly pro Russian) got burned alive]] in clash with [[Ukrainian Nazi|Ukrainian nationalist(s)]] while police and fireman stood watching. To this day no one was jailed”''<br /> *[[Essay: How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes|How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes]]<br /> *[http://espritdecorps.ca/history-feature/the-rcaf-officer-who-brought-hitlers-waffen-ss-to-canada THE UKRAINIAN OFFICER WHO BROUGHT HITLER’S WAFFEN SS TO CANADA].<br /> :[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:28, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Once again, part of the Hegelian thesis/antithesis deception game. The devil allows the pernicious evil of the globalist left to go on full display, and uses the resulting backlash to bring the apostate "Christian Nationalist right" into power. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Monday, 08:35, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::We've definitely reached a milestone in history; people like User:Conservative will only be encouraged now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:53, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::Your Conservative-baiting is truly getting lame, I'm sorry to say. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Monday, 10:03, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::I got no use for [[nazisymp]]s - especially when they've been warned and instructed. How do you think we dealt with the ignorant Ratvandals? The same way. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:23, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::I just found a lengthy email thread from July 9-13 2022 where every detail of the [[SS Galicia Division]] was laid out. He knew full well what he was getting into with his [[anti-Putinism]] screeds, and did it anyway. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:27, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::[[Essay: Are ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity conservative values?]] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:36, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :*[https://twitter.com/BusinessGamesAI/status/1695706655500165530?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1695706655500165530%7Ctwgr%5E2c12bdc0ab998fcbc4de8d57cf989c3cd2331efc%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fscheerpost.com%2F2023%2F08%2F30%2Fus-victim-of-own-propaganda-in-ukraine-war%2F You vile people, twisting the history to whitewash the crimes of the Ukrainian far-right against peaceful Ukrainians, and in fact using their crimes with the diametrically opposite meaning!] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:33, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::It's an impressively stupid blunder, for sure. Almost as stupid as assembling a bunch of staff officers for a meeting at the BSF HQ when your air defence umbrella clearly has some gaping holes in it. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 16:17, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Have you heard anything about the NATO German soldiers captured alive in a Leopard tank? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:24, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Yeah, man. Word is they're holding him back for Tara Reade's first big primetime special on Rossiya24. Maria Zakharova joins Tara after the break to share some of her favourite recipes and tradwife bikini waxing tips. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 17:19, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::Tara's a sweetheart, but a bit overweight (Joe Biden caused her eating disorder). But Zakharova is hot, brilliant, and she speaks Chinese and English, too. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:43, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::Her wedding photos were quite something. Wouldn't mind sharing some strawberries with her, either. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 18:31, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::Strawberries make her delicious. [https://youtu.be/bk7l1maHXIU Ever see her dance?] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:40, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :'''Update: [https://www.academia.edu/41777803/Survivor_Testimonies_and_the_Coming_to_Terms_with_the_Holocaust_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia_The_Case_of_the_Ukrainian_Nationalists Survivor Testimonies and the Coming to Terms with the Holocaust in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia: The Case of the Ukrainian Nationalists]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:06, September 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::''"The coming to terms with the [[Holocaust]] in [[western Ukraine]] has been a long and challenging process that is not finished yet. It was a conglomeration of various cultural, social, and political factors that hindered the exploration of the Holocaust in this part of Ukraine and prevented the building of good relationships between Ukrainians and Jews. Ukrainians found it especially difficult to accept the fact that the '''Ukrainian nationalists were among the Holocaust perpetrators because the patriotic narrative and the “official” national version of Ukrainian history portrayed the [[OUN]] and [[UPA]] as national heroes who fought for an independent Ukraine, resisting [[Nazi Germany]] and the [[Soviet Union]]. Because the Ukrainian nationalists faked and destroyed the evidences of their involvement in the [[mass murder]] of Jews and the German occupiers did not keep records of Ukrainian nationalists’ killings''' of Jews, the testimonies of the survivors have been a very important, although not the sole, source of evidence. ..." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:54, September 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Russian lasar weapons successfully tested in combat===<br /> *[https://youtu.be/RB11ArOJ3Nw Make NATO Panic! Russian Laser Weapons Successfully Tested in Real Combat]. ''"The cost of such a laser beam pulse is extremely low compared to anti-aircraft missiles."'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:04, October 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Faith news==<br /> *[https://thefederalist.com/2023/09/29/tucker-carlson-practicing-real-christianity-means-the-people-in-charge-want-to-kill-you/ Tucker Carlson: Practicing Real Christianity Means ‘The People In Charge Want To Kill You’]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 10:48, September 29, 2023 (EDT)<br /> *[https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/franklin-graham-left-democrats/2023/08/03/id/1129545/ Franklin Graham to Newsmax: Left 'Scared to Death' of Trump]. "The left is scared to death of Donald Trump. We need to pray for this nation, because we're about to lose it. God is the only one who can fix these problems."<br /> <br /> ===Jewish influences in the Quran - relevant in light of recent discussions and to make sense of ongoing events===<br /> <br /> There was always one Great Difference between Christianity and Judaism, and that was (1) Christianity held Jesus Christ is the Son of God, (2) Judaism claimed Jesus Christ was not the Son of God. Then, Islam came along, and though professing to accept Jesus as Christ, yet repeated the error that (3) He was not the Son of God. As an educational point, the below from noted Christian Apologetics site Answering Islam is noteworthy: The Quran is compilation of much of Pharisaic or Talmudic Judaism. It sometimes even lifts lines from the Talmud.<br /> <br /> "We have already seen that many of the narratives in the Qur'an and Hadith have extra-Islamic origins. In this section we shall briefly examine the substantial presence of Jewish historical and mythical material in the Qur'an. Indeed there is so much of it that whole books have been written on the subject and it is striking to find how heavily Muhammad relied on his Jewish contacts for the passages and teachings he ultimately set forth as part of the divine revelation.<br /> <br /> So much, indeed, was Muhammad indebted to the Jews for a great portion of his teaching on this and other subjects that the Qur'an has been described as a compendium of Talmudic Judaism. (Blair, The Sources of Islam, p. 55)."<br /> <br /> From: https://answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Vol1/5b.html [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:49, September 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::That's a very good observation. Another selling point for the Quron is that it was written by one guy, unlike the Jewish and Christian scriptures. IOWs, it's much shorter and can be memorized. In fact, that's what they call it ''The Recitation'' - you can memorize it and recite it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:51, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Agreed, Rob. Well said. God Bless. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 12:06, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===US county scraps ‘American Christian Heritage Month’ after local Jewish outcry===<br /> <br /> Sounds like more Christophobic Bigotry from [[Pharisaic Judaism]]. Not in vain did Jesus Christ warn: "“Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees” (Matt. 16:6). And again, in the Book of Revelation (3:9), the Lord God speaks of a Synagogue that wars against the Church and against Christian Nationalism. Christian Countries have every right to recognize their Christian Heritage, frankly. <br /> <br /> "Jewish residents of California’s El Dorado applaud cancellation of planned annual event, which critics say wrongfully promoted idea of United States as Christian country"<br /> <br /> https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-county-scraps-american-christian-heritage-month-after-local-jewish-outcry/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 12:17, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Maybe some of those complaining were godless atheist secular Jews, not necessarily Pharisaic, so we wouldn't want to give the impression we're criticising all adherents to Pharisaic Judaism. Traditionally, Orthodox Jews are very tolerant of other people's beliefs and religion. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:09, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::NishantXavier is still disregarding what "Pharisaic Judaism" even is. It's become a buzzword. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Tuesday, 15:43, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::: Pharisaic Judaism is somewhat of an outdated term; it could more easily be applied to Christian denominations that reject the Gospel of Grace, for example [[Mormonism]], in favor of a strict doctrine of law and works. <br /> :::''The law was given by Moses, but [[grace]] and [[truth]] came by Jesus Christ.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:53, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The problem with NishantXavier's usage of "Pharisaic Judaism" is that he assumes everything bad about the liberal side of "Judaism" is attributable to "Pharisaism." I've told him multiple times before: liberalization of Judaism was an outgrowth of Hellenization supported by Sadducees, which the Pharisees stringently opposed. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Tuesday, 15:55, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::The entire Gospel of Jesus Christ exists in the Old Testamment:<br /> ::::::''Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found [[grace]] in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee'' - Ex 33:13<br /> ::::::''Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall '''see the Lord''''' - Heb 12:14<br /> ::::::''the LORD spake unto Moses '''face to face''', as a man speaketh unto his friend'' - Ex 33:11<br /> <br /> :::::::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:04, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::::::''shew me now thy way''<br /> ::::::::''I am the way'' - Jn 14:6<br /> ::::::::: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:08, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> Yes, normal Jews are like that, fairly tolerant. Left-wing Jewish organizations like the ADL, however, are another matter. From Conservapedia's page on them: "Its general stance on prayer in secular schools is that it is "unconstitutional."[2] The ADL also has a record of supporting gay rights, the separation of church and state,[3] hate crimes legislation, abortion and partial-birth abortion.[4] There is also evidence to suggest that the founders may have been Fabian socialists.[5]" This isn't Biblical Judaism they are practicing, it's Pharisaic Judaism, with an Anti-Christian Bent, and an attempt to subvert Christian and conservative values. That's the only issue here. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 13:59, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Pharisaic Judaism died out a few years after the destruction of the Second Temple, around 72–73 A.D. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 18:23, October 6, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Conservapedia's page on ADL, Continued: ""Like so many institutions of authority in the United States after 2016, which entailed the dual traumas of the UK's departure from the EU, and then the far more traumatic defeat of Hillary Clinton by Donald Trump, the ADL has now radically transformed into something much, much different. Indeed, in many ways, it has become an utterly fraudulent organization. Its work now has very little to do with combating antisemitism. That's just the marketing costume or the pretext it uses to wield power. The real mission of the ADL could not be clearer. It's to advance the interests of the Democratic Party to ensure the empowerment of Democratic Party leaders and to protect and preserve the dominant ideology that the establishment wings of both political parties are devoted to – in particular, to protect the status quo ideology from meaningful dissent and populist anger."[6]"<br /> <br /> From: https://www.conservapedia.com/Anti-Defamation_League [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup><br /> <br /> Attacks on Jewish Conservatives: "The League has been criticized for attacking politically conservative Jews such as Dr. Laura Schlessinger.[7] The Jewish World Review stated that the League was "demonizing exponents of Jewish values",[8] while the National Prayer Network held that the ADL's past legislative involvement "empowered synagogue to mix with state by authorizing itself to teach the US Justice Department, FBI and all local police about hate crimes."[9]" [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:03, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Valid concerns; I recently [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Anti-Defamation_League&diff=1979309&oldid=1836015 updated the page with this.] Some of the older stuff perhaps needs to be realigned in a ==History== section, perhaps by era (for example ===19xx-20xx===, ===20xx-20xx===, etc), and making the recent update more central to the organizations initiatives. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:12, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Ok. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:13, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Reminder: Pharisaic/Rabbinic Judaism's Impious Insults against Jesus Christ and Mother Mary in the Talmud, the Toledot Yeshu and Sefer Zerubabbel===<br /> <br /> "Postbiblical Jewish attacks on Mary assumed several forms. Christians were faulted for misconstruing Isaiah’s prophecy of a young woman who would give birth to a son to be called Emmanuel. The Talmud and other rabbinic texts picture Mary as a person of disrepute, the mother of an illegitimate son. A parody of the Christian Gospels called Toledoth Yeshu (Life of Jesus) names the lustful neighbor who assaulted and impregnated Mary, and proceeds to describe the dangerous behavior of Yeshu, a trickster. In reaction and response to the impressive growth of the Christian cult of Mary, a seventh-century Jewish apocalyptic treatise entitled Sefer Zerubbabel painted a deprecating portrait of Mary on the way to introducing and trumpeting the warrior heroine Hephzibah, the mother of the true messiah soon to come."<br /> <br /> From the academic link: https://academic.oup.com/book/2476/chapter-abstract/142763485?redirectedFrom=fulltext<br /> <br /> These words of the Lord Jesus Christ in Revelation below, who in His Divine Spirit knew what the Synagogue of Satan would do against His Church, His Holy Name, and His Blessed Mother (Luk 1:28; Luk 1:42; Luk 1:45), are spoken about Pharisaic Judaism to His Christian Church:<br /> <br /> "9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." (Revelation 3:9, KJV) [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:13, September 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Talmud was written long after the Pharisees were already defunct. You ''still'' don't know what you're talking about. (also, you're misusing Rev. 3:9 in trying to apply a symbolic eschatological prophecy in a literal sense) —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 18:21, October 6, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Reminder: The "End of the World" and 7 Year Tribulation cannot come until the Great Commission is Complete===<br /> <br /> This is relevant in light of certain people saying earlier "the world may end by 2027" and so on. Not only is that absolutely impossible because it's only 4 years away, and a 7 year tribulation must come, but also because, for even that Tribulation of Anti-Christ to begin, the Great Commission must be completed first, as Jesus Christ explains in Mat 24:14. Joshua Project estimates around 2 Billion People have not yet heard the Gospel, and at a Conservative estimate that it will take 5-7 years to reach 500 MN people, it's a safe bet that there are at least 20-30 years to go before the End of Time, though of course, as the Lord reminded His Apostles, only the Eternal Father knows the day.<br /> <br /> Below, Christian Apologist Dr. Bill Craig explains eschatological perspectives: "The postmillennialist will say that there are indications in Scripture that the church will, in the power of the Holy Spirit, carry out this Great Commission and be successful in its mission. For example, Matthew 13:31-32.<br /> <br /> Another parable he put before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed which a man took and sowed in his field; it is the smallest of all seeds, but when it has grown it is the greatest of shrubs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches.”<br /> <br /> Here Jesus says that from its ignominious beginnings, the Kingdom of God is going to spread throughout human society and become a great cultural influence and indeed transform the world. Jesus tells a lot of parables of this sort. There are many passages that suggest that there will be this tremendous harvest of souls that will come into the Kingdom of God as the church fulfills the Great Commission.<br /> <br /> Postmillennialists employ the same sorts of arguments against the literal interpretation that the amillennialist has already given. But they add this additional note – there is a great triumph that will occur through the church’s obedience to its Great Commission.<br /> <br /> Against postmillennialism many people have said that this view was an overly optimistic and rather naive view of human history that came to a shattering end with the 20th century – World War I and World War II and the horrors that have followed the withdrawal of the colonial powers from the third world in the aftermath of colonialism. But I’m not persuaded that that kind of argument has any sort of merit in terms of the Scriptural warrant for or against a view. What we see in our lifetime could just be a tiny blip in the whole scheme of human history. If Christ returns, say, in AD 5,000 or AD 12,000 then what happens in the present century could be nothing. The fact is that the Christian church has grown from the most ignominious beginnings in the first century throughout the entire world, so that now there are over three and a half billion people on Earth that at least claim to be Christians. The Christian church and the Christian movement is in fact the largest, most successful movement in the history of mankind. It really is astonishing when you look at the history of how this movement spread geographically over the twenty centuries of its existence. So we must not take the short-term perspective and say that just because the past century has involved a lot of evil and suffering therefore the church is not going to be successful in its mission.<br /> <br /> In fact, quite the contrary, it has been in the midst of this suffering and war that the growth of evangelical Christianity throughout the world has been without parallel in church history. The last twenty-five years of the 20th century were a period of church growth around the world that was simply unprecedented, as in Africa, Asia, and Latin America the church has grown by leaps and bounds. So we must not be misled by the disastrous things that are happening in our world to think that the church is failing in its Great Commission."<br /> <br /> https://www.reasonablefaith.org/podcasts/defenders-podcast-series-3/s3-doctrine-of-the-last-things/doctrine-of-the-last-things-part-16[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:10, September 29, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Reminder: Christians are not under any obligation to support Talmudic Judaism and Jerusalem/Israel. Pray for it to come to Christ. ===<br /> <br /> Misguided Christians calling for Genocide of Arabs/Palestinians/Muslims today - instead of Peace and no killing of civilian lives on both sides - should Read up on (1) the Book of Galatians (2) the Persecution of Christians in Israel (3) the Talmud on killing Gentiles.<br /> <br /> Gal 4:28, The slave woman and her son have no inheritance with those in Christ: "Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” 31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman."<br /> <br /> Gal 3:29, Only those in Christ are True Children/Descendants of Abraham and inherit his Blessings/Promises: "29 And now that you belong to Christ, you are the True Children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you."<br /> <br /> Second: "In Christianity’s holiest city, churches have been graffitied and clergy who live and work here report being frequently spit on, harassed and even physically attacked by extremist Jews. Christian leaders say most incidents are never thoroughly investigated."<br /> <br /> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-palestinians-christians-attacks-holy-land-jewish-extremists-rcna80441<br /> <br /> Talmudic Zionism, like the false "Pre Trib Rapture" (The Rapture is Post Tribulation and even Post Resurrection according to 1 Thess 4, dead in Christ rise first, only after that the taking up happens) is false Theology. It all goes together: some people falsely believed, get Israel into a War, then Jesus Christ has to return, then allegedly they'll be "raptured" away. So sad. Erroneous theology with bad real world consequences. The End will not come until the Gospel has penetrated All Nations including Israel as Christ says in Mat 24:14.<br /> <br /> 3. Talmud on killing Gentiles: People should read the Talmud, the tradition of the Pharisees that Jesus Christ condemned, for its lack of love of God and neighbor, and its slurs against Goyim/Gentiles: "With regard to bloodshed, if a gentile murders another gentile, or a gentile murders a Jew, he is liable. If a Jew murders a gentile, he is exempt." https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talmud/On_gentiles [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 13:44, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Christians are grafted in by faith; but at the same time you got a lot of people here in CP saying faith ain't enough and you need works. As to the rest - be careful. Some of it sounds like stuff you can read in ''Mein Kampf''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:07, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Hitler praised Anti-Christian Pagan Julian the Apostate and held to demented Race Theories. That has nothing to do with Talmudic Teaching. Open your eyes to what the Talmud teaches: it teaches hatred of Gentiles, including Christians. Christians should not support it. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:11, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === What did I tell you? Talmudic Israel destroyes the 3rd Oldest Christian Church in the world. ===<br /> <br /> "🇮🇱🇵🇸 BREAKING Israel has reportedly bombed the Christian church of Saint Porphyrius in Gaza, it has been almost fully destroyed. Saint Porphyrius was the largest church in Gaza." https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1711406515050193192 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:11, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> See this also: <br /> <br /> === "Israeli defense minister: “No food, No electricity, No fuel, No water. We’re fighting human animals.” ===<br /> <br /> "Israeli defense minister: “No food, No electricity, No fuel, No water. We’re fighting human animals.” <br /> <br /> He’s talking about ordinary, innocent, civilians including KIDS living in Gaza. <br /> <br /> He has NO RESPECT for Human Rights! <br /> <br /> Despicable scum! 🇮🇱" https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1711380370694811919 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:11, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Israeli Minister Itamar Ben Gvir: Spitting on Christians ok because it's a "long Jewish tradition" ===<br /> <br /> "Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir justifying Israelis spitting at Christians as a "long Jewish tradition".<br /> <br /> The Israeli government has been facilitating extreme Jewish groups forcing Christians and Muslims out of their places of worship."<br /> <br /> From: https://twitter.com/KeithWoodsYT/status/1711155014985515061 Open your eyes, misguided Talmudic Zionists. You've been misled. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:46, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Election news==<br /> *[https://billingsreport.com/11-mi-lawmakers-sue-mi-sos-jocelyn-benson-and-mi-director-of-elections-in-federal-court/ 11 MI LAWMAKERS SUE MI SOS JOCELYN BENSON AND MI DIRECTOR OF ELECTIONS IN FEDERAL COURT]<br /> *[https://www.newsdelivers.com/2023/09/29/trump-russia-makes-a-lot-of-money-us-faces-big-economic-threat/ Trump: Russia Makes a Lot of Money, US Faces Big Economic Threat]<br /> <br /> ===RFK Jr to run as independent===<br /> Sundance: [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/09/29/robert-kennedy-jr-to-run-as-independent-in-2024-election/ Robert Kennedy Jr. to Run as Independent in 2024 Election]<br /> :'''"So, who will vote for RFK Jr?'''<br /> <br /> :'''ANSWER: Two core groups.'''<br /> <br /> :#1) [[Ron DeSantis]] supporters. When RdS drops out, his coalition of support, the Never Trump Republicans, will flow to RFK Jr. <br /> <br /> :#2) Approximately one-third of unregistered, unaffiliated or what we would call “independent” voters. About a third of them.<br /> <br /> :Independents will fracture into three subsets. Approximately 1/3 supporting Gavin Newsom. Approximately 1/3 supporting Donald Trump. Approximately 1/3 supporting Robert Kennedy Jr.<br /> <br /> :With DeSantis Republicans and one-third of independent voters, that’s the RFK Jr. coalition.<br /> <br /> :As I said from the outset, RFK Jr. is the [[intelligence community]] insurance policy against the threat of [[Donald Trump]].<br /> <br /> :RFK Jr. running as an independent will tilt the election to [[Gavin Newsom]]...."<br /> <br /> Comment: It ought to be obvious by now, with ''WaPo'' ([[David Ignatius]]), the [[CIA]], and the impeachment inquiry, [[Joe Biden]] will not be on the ballot. 2024 is an open seat election. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:04, September 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:58, September 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Sundance is wrong about Ron DeSantis supporters defecting to RFK Jr. The only Republicans who would even consider voting for RFK Jr. are vaccine skeptics who agree that the Deep State needs to be totally dismantled and firmly believe that it was behind the JFK assassination, 9/11, and/or COVID. A few months ago, these people did indeed the core of DeSantis' base. However, once DeSantis decided to go full neocon most of them defected to either Trump or Ramaswamy. Now, all that remains of DeSantis' base are old-fashioned NeverTrumpers who would stay home, vote third party, or even vote for Biden/Harris/Newsom/Obama.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 23:14, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> If indeed it is a 3 person race, something like 40% of the electorate might be enough to win - it may come down roughly to 40% DeSantis, 30% Biden/Newsom and 20% RFK. DeSantis will win many of the hardcore Anti-Vaxxers who are now there in both parties, who will not vote for "I'm the Father of the Vaccine and saved "100 MN" lives with it" Trump. DeSantis will win those votes for the Republicans, as was evident even when DeSantis was on Bill Maher's show recently. Even some Liberals are Anti-Vax. Meanwhile, Trump will lose those voters. Ergo, etc. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 07:38, September 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :It is 272 electors needed to win. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup><br /> <br /> And I think DeSantis will get 270, out of 538, which suffices. But if 3 Candidates run, then even 260 or so may be enough - let's say its 260, 250, and 28 seats, or thereabouts, for each of the 3 candidates. It then comes down to the below scenario:<br /> <br /> "It takes 270 electoral votes to win the presidency. What if nobody reaches that threshhold?<br /> <br /> There are two main scenarios where this could occur. Neither is likely at this time, but fun to think about. The first is a 269-269 tie between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. The 2nd involves one (or more) third party candidates getting enough electoral votes so that neither Clinton or Trump reach 270 ...<br /> <br /> If no candidate receives 270 electoral votes, the House of Representatives will pick the president. Each state delegation gets one vote, regardless of the number of congressional districts it has. 26 votes, representing a majority of the states, are required to win."<br /> <br /> https://www.270towin.com/news/2016/09/19/what-happens-if-nobody-gets-270-electoral-votes_376.html<br /> <br /> In other words, if DeSantis does the above, and wins a simple majority of states (26, Trump won 30 in 2016), he wins the Presidency. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 12:04, September 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :That's all shooting from the hip. You need a detailed analysis, state-by-state, particularly [[swing state]]s with the current status of ongoing lawsuits and election reforms. That's where the battle is going on - not on issues like a candidate's stance on abortion or transgenders in girl's sports. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:27, September 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Yes, I know more detailed analyses will be necessary in time, and I'll take care of that after the primaries are over when the General begins. For now, I'm just giving a summary: I think DeSantis will win all the states Trump won in 2016, plus two or three, especially if it's just a two person race. If it's a three person race or more, my understanding is he can afford to lose up to 4 states (winning 26), and still win the Presidency. And that he will do. The abortion and transgender issue motivates many voters from the Base, as does his Conservative stance on the debt and the border, his tough Anti-Covid-Vax stance brings in even some moderates and Independents, as was evident on the Bill Maher show; his being a Military Veteran who chose Service over Self endears him to many, even liberals, and his love for Casey and standing by her and fighting for her when she had breast Cancer shows also the loving devotion he'll have to America once he gets in. Of course, some of these things are not widely known just yet, but they will be in time. That's after the primaries are over.[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:20, September 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Nah no no, not ''after'' the primaries. Now. Conservapedia needs to be ''ahead'' of the curve to inform our readers, not always reacting to the latest [[mainstream media]] bs coming down the pike. <br /> <br /> :We need to work together as a Team, with various editors assigned to cover and manage certain election news-related Mainspace articles and keep them updated. <br /> <br /> :This page is for [[policy]] discussion on CP's editorial direction and Main Page content, not for a bunch of Lone Wolves to dump their rants on and trash talk other editors. , [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:37, September 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Here's a nice summary from Twitter: "This is what the Trump wing of the GOP is asking us to support. This is what he brings to the table:<br /> <br /> Character - No<br /> Integrity - No<br /> Class- No <br /> Decency - No<br /> Respect - No<br /> Loyalty - No<br /> Honorable - No <br /> Honest - No <br /> Good family man - No <br /> Stable & Reliable - No <br /> Faithful - No <br /> Fiscal Conservative - No<br /> Social Conservative -No <br /> Principled - No <br /> Team Player - No<br /> Puts Country first - No<br /> Reduces deficit - No <br /> Cuts spending - No <br /> Balances budget - No<br /> Blocks massive spending bills - No<br /> Stands against woke corporations - No<br /> Good role model for youth - No<br /> Good example for other Republicans - No<br /> Expand the GOP base - No<br /> Encourage good citizens to serve in GOP - No<br /> Help GOP win down ballot - No <br /> Help GOP win with women - No<br /> Help GOP win in the suburbs - No<br /> Helps GOP win independents - No <br /> Represents USA well on global stage - No<br /> Speaks with logic, clarity and intelligence - No<br /> <br /> If I'm wrong, call it out." https://twitter.com/JoshPower80/status/1708183803863216350 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:22, September 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Interesting. But it doesn't belong here. It belongs on the talk page of [[Donald Trump 2024 presidential election campaign]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:37, September 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Boom! Trump drops by 20 Points in 1 month with Pro-Lifers===<br /> <br /> Boom! What did I tell you? It's coming. Here's the source, from Students for Life Action, which describes itself as: "Mobilizing the Pro-Life Generation in a Post-Roe America. 🇺🇸 Advocating to not kill human beings in the womb. 🤱🏽 Like @studentsforlife, but political."<br /> <br /> "JUST IN: Gov. @rondesantis pulls ahead of fellow GOP contenders in SFLAction's "September Political Pulse Poll" by 13%.<br /> <br /> When asked who they would vote for if the 2024 Republican U.S. Presidential Primary were today, 42% of the Pro-Life Generation reported they would support Ron DeSantis, followed by @realdonaldtrump at 29% and @nikkihaley at 6%.<br /> <br /> These results show a 21% increase for Gov. Ron DeSantis and a 20% drop for President Donald Trump in the last month. This follows the recent comments made by former President Trump that he believed Florida's Heartbeat Abortion Prevention Act was a "terrible mistake."<br /> <br /> https://twitter.com/SFLAction/status/1709308272979935581 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 07:35, October 4, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Eh, unfortunately Trump is still commanding a solid plurality because the establishment-leaning/"traditional" conservative vote is now getting split between DeSantis and Haley. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Friday, 18:19, October 6, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Iowa caucus is no more ===<br /> <br /> Biden's disregard of our nation's norms and traditions does have the occasional upside: [https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4242426-iowa-democrats-releasing-caucus-results-on-super-tuesday/ The Iowa Democratic caucus is no more]. Why should any one state get to go first? It was always a ridiculous tradition. The winner in Iowa rarely went on to win the nomination. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 12:05, October 7, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Iowa & New Hampshire still have some impact on the GOP process, whereas Nevada & South Carolina are more the focus of Democrats. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:10, October 7, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Israel-Hamas news==<br /> {{Main article|Swords of Iron}}<br /> *Dreizin report: With the Israeli military clearly in a state of political chaos, Hamas had a chance to “rehabilitate” itself by launching a “clean” war. Instead, their undisciplined “soldiers” have already executed (and quickly uploaded to the Internet), up-close, many tens (at least) of civilians, to include many women, proving that Gaza is just a ZOO. Now, the “global communi-tay” will probably hold its nose if Netanyahu wants to create a much larger buffer zone, permanently displacing hundreds of thousands of Gazans and leveling their communities, because obviously Israel can’t go on like this. What were these fools thinking? I don’t know, I’m not an Arab or an ayatollah. UPDATE 4:16-4:40am U.S. ET: Unconfirmed reports of multiple Israeli towns or villages (besides Sderot) seized partially or wholly by Hamas or Islamic Jihad. Photo/vid confirmed Israeli army losses now 16-17 dead, 4-6 prisoners. UPDATE 4:00-4:08am U.S. ET: In addition to ***tens of documented, point-blank executions of civilians***, there must be several 100 Israeli dead & seriously injured civilians in rocket attacks, as video emerges of obliteration of an Israeli small condo or commercial building by what’s clearly an 80-100kg explosive charge. Additional Israeli military vehicles captured. Photos/vids show Israeli civilians incl. a mother w/ 2 infant kids & an old woman being taken prisoner into Gaza. UPDATE 3:18-3:58am U.S. ET: Arab PR geniuses publish photo of 2 Hamas-ers posing over body of Israeli man whom they shot dead (in the head) in his own home. More & more photos/vids coming out of Israeli civilians (incl. many women) dead, many lying outside & shot in the head, clearly shot point-blank after having been surprised on their way to wherever. Photo/vid confirmed Israel army losses now 14 dead, 4-6 prisoners (2 might be “repeats”.) DREIZIN THOUGHTS 2:36am U.S. ET: Iran never responds in “mirror” fashion. Israel has severely destabilized balance of power on Iran’s NW border. IMHO, this is response, 1 day after 50th anniv. of start of 1973 war. Awful to see dead Jewish kids & old people, shot point blank by terrorists, but what about 100,000 Armenian cleansed/permanent refugees & no one cares? UPDATE 2:17am-3:04am U.S. ET: “PR genius” Arabs publish ***DISGUSTING***, bloody video of 10-11 Israeli civilians, incl. young women or teen girls, shot dead in small room, several corpses being shot again for good measure. Separately, photo/vid-confirmed Israeli army deaths now = 10, prisoners = 2. UPDATES 2:03am-2:11am U.S. ET: Per videos, it’s clear, central Sderot under control of possibly 100’s of Hamas gunmen. Al Jazeera claims part of Erez border crossing taken as well. Multiple videos show civilians killed in their moving cars, shot at by Hamas. Armored patrol jeep captured. UPDATE 1:46am U.S. ET: TOTAL COLLAPSE of Israeli army in substantial part of Gaza envelope. Per videos, 1 Merkava tank set aflame. /// Historic DISGRACE for Israeli govt (1:34am U.S. ET): In addition to intensive rocket attacks across southern & central Israel, there is large-scale Hamas raid into Sderot, near Gaza, by (at least) many 10’s of raggedy gunmen on foot, trucks, cycles, gliders; also boats in another location. No Israeli border security in evidence. Per photos/vids, at least 10 civilians killed at 3 bus stops, evidently shot at close range, some in the head. More carnage sure to come out soon. ***GUNMEN MOVING FREELY **BOTH WAYS**, VIDEOS SHOW 1 DEAD ISRAELI SOLDIER & 1 OR 2 CAPTURED HUMVEES BROUGHT BACK TO GAZA***. 1 police station captured, likely many police dead or wounded. Certainly largest infiltration into Israel since 1980s if not earlier. Civilians “armed” with smartphones filming helplessly from 3rd/4th floor windows, not 1 privately-owned “assault rifle” in sight, utterly ridiculous. Might need to rethink their gun laws. [https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/10/07/historic-disgrace-for-israeli-govt-134am-u-s-et-large-scale-hamas-raid-into-sderot-near-gaza-by-at-least-tens-of-gunmen-on-foot-trucks-cycles-gliders-boats-per-photos-online-at-least-6/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 10:18, October 7, 2023 (EDT)<br /> *Dreizin: First True Black Swan of Post-Hegemonic Transition Era: In addition to likely several 100 killed on streets or in their homes, likely 500+ Israeli civilians incl. children abducted to Gaza, more on the way. // Boeing will be OVERWHELMED with replacement orders for Israeli air defense munitions, will have to shift personnel away from Patriots for Yoo-krayne & Thai-wann, to Israel needs. // Anyone seen Zelensky? How often will we be hearing about the Yoo-krayne from now on??? LOLOLOL. Maybe Israel will figure it out, but it’s all coming down [https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/10/07/first-true-black-swan-of-post-hegemonic-transition-era-in-addition-to-likely-several-100-killed-on-streets-or-in-their-homes-likely-500-israeli-civilians-incl-children-abducted-to-gaza-more-on-th/]<br /> *Defense One: [https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/10/unprecedented-hamas-attack-israel-shows-apparent-quantum-leap-capabilities-experts-say/391039/ ‘Unprecedented’ Hamas attack on Israel shows ‘apparent quantum leap’ in capabilities, experts say]. Here we go again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:25, October 7, 2023 (EDT)<br /> **I mean, who could have predicted this? "[https://www.dailywire.com/news/trumps-prediction-about-biden-handing-iran-6b-goes-viral-after-hamas-attack Trump’s Prediction About Biden Handing Iran $6B Goes Viral After Hamas Attack]." You give terrorists more money and they use it to plot more sophisticated attacks. As far as what Hamas is thinking, they are doing what they are paid to do by Iran. No one can say it like Trump: “Can you believe that Crooked Joe Biden is giving $6 Billion to the terrorist regime in Iran? That money [will] be used for terrorism all over the Middle East, and, indeed, the World. This incompetent FOOL is absolutely destroying America. He had the audacity to announce this terrible deal today, September 11th.” [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:03, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::This is a direct retaliation by Iran's Hamas proxies for Israel's support of Azerbaijan with drones in the recent Armenian crisis. Iran now detects a threat on their border. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:45, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::And who stirred up all the caca in Armenia? The Soros network & [[NED]] with the LGBT+ agenda. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:13, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> *Dreizin: GLOBAL GAME-CHANGING BLACK SWAN UPDATE: With 100’s of Israeli civilian men shot dead (& 100’s more young women abducted) at just one desert techno concert, Arab PR geniuses, likely expecting “just another round” with Israel, clearly “overdid it” with their old-school Wahhabi bedouin raid. No, Hezbollah WILL NOT get involved full-scale because, with extremely shabby state of Israeli army, Israel may hit them with tactical [[nuclear weapon]]s & NO ONE WOULD STRONGLY OBJECT, & they know it. Yup, the Bearded Ones fiiiiinally overdid it again, as with 9/11—this is NOT some village in Ossetia that the [[Golden Billion]] don’t give a damn about, AND, with Gaza border having been at peace, it’s not seen as a reprisal but as unprovoked & (also with many foreign citizens, even visiting Russians, killed) a THREAT TO THE WORLD. Arab PR geniuses LOOOOOONG had Europe & its “we must consider our domestic Muslim opinion” protecting them (by way of Uncle Sam listening & always reigning in Israel)… but that’s over. ****FURTHERMORE****, this provides GLOBOHOMO governments with an easy way to shift focus from the Yoo-kraine, just as they were getting DESPERATE to do so. For all those who asked me, “How does USA accept its loss, how can it end?”—THIS IS HOW.<br /> <br /> *Dreizin: If my last post (from this morning, don’t miss it) didn’t make it clear, the Israeli army (“IDF”) is **NOT COMBAT-CAPABLE**, cannot handle enemy tactical drones & obviously has not learned new threats/tactics from Ukraine war. (Probably, U.S. Army in same shape.) Having facilitated Azerbaijan’s success against Armenians… Israel finds itself as potentially another Karabakh 2020, unprepared for modernity. Any “conventional” showdown with a “real” opponent such as Hezbollah (at the same time as Gaza), will lead to the IDF getting UTTERLY WASTED & WRECKED BEYOND COMPREHENSION. This is why tactical nuclear weapons would almost certainly be used in a war with Hezbollah, which may content itself with “merely” sending over a stream of drones to wear out Israel’s [[Patriot missile]] stores (Israel’s “native” [Boeing-assisted] anti-rocket defenses CANNOT target & hit straight-line trajectory craft), *****forcing [[Globohomo|GLOBOHOMO]] to choose between Israel & the Ukraine/Taiwan.***** Again, the Black Swan. This is it, folks, this is it. You lived to see it, congratulations. // ***This is the second of two posts/sends this morning, be sure not to miss the first one.***<br /> <br /> *GILBERT DOCTOROW: [https://gilbertdoctorow.substack.com/p/the-israeli-war-on-hamas-from-a-geopolitical The Israeli war on Hamas from a geopolitical perspective]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:23, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Dreizin: Israel-Gaza events ALREADY a U.S. 2024 campaign issue as WSJ gets way out ahead of Uncle Sam, makes claim based on its own dubious Hezbollah Hamas etc. “sources” that the Israel carnage was co-planned and authorized by Iran. Even as tough-talking hoe-moe Lindsay Graham promises to bomb Iranian refineries if Hezbollah joins the party. Folks, sure Iran is involved in everything to 1 degree or another, any child can guess that & be right… but WSJ (the ONLY large & “respectable” U.S. Republican paper) is NOT a “paper of record” when it comes to intel stuff. You can consider this in the context of (1) Team Brandon’s recent sucking up to Iran to get more oil flowing ahead of the election, & (2) Democrat ideological uncertainty over how far to allow Israel to “change the game” in Gaza. (Dems need Jewish money AND “progressive” votes AND these two needs were pitted against each other in the last Gaza war BUT that one did not involve a surprise attack w/ 600+ murdered Israeli civilians.) Also keeping in mind, ANY Dem-GOP party disagreement over foreign policy (no matter the region) is desirable, as it adds to Washington political chaos & confusion in U.S. public opinion, which among other things will NOT HELP the Yoo-kraine. The whole thing has taken on partisan power struggle dimensions… and its only going on day three!!! <br /> <br /> *Black Mountain Analysis: [https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/israel Israel Status Update i ALEKS]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:08, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Dreizin: “Arming the Yoo-kraine” poised to unravel as [[USAF]] flies (a short flight!) Syrian Civil War-era prepositioned small arms munitions (or certainly nothing heavier than mortar shells) by C-17A Globemaster III from Amman, Jordan to Ben Gurion Airport, Israel, on Sunday. Another Globemaster III took off from Amman at about the same time, and flew to Rammstein Air Base, Germany (we’ll see if it comes to Israel on Monday.) If they have to fly this petty junk to Israel, you know it’s BAD. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:52, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> *Dreizin: (Please be sure to see my last post.) This actually happened: Israeli army spokesman denies all rumors of any arms shortages, says it’s just a question of moving stuff to where it needs to be. Dreizin adds: Yeah, moving it to Israel on U.S. planes & ships, LOL. How bad is it? How much was “sent away” & it was never publicized? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 03:23, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *SIMPLICIUS THE THINKER: [https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israel-flashpoint-localized-skirmish Israeli Flashpoint - Localized Skirmish? Or the Beginning of Major Global Black Swan?] <br /> :*''"Several recent articles denoted just how little media coverage Ukraine has been getting recently, charts showing the slow decline, particularly ever since the realities of the failed offensive set in. Now it’s bound to disappear entirely from the news cycle, replaced with the growing Israeli conflict and endless shrieks of outrage of committed atrocities—you know the same ones carried out daily by the AFU on Donbass, which somehow fail to garner the same media attention.";;<br /> <br /> *GILBERT DOCTOROW: [https://gilbertdoctorow.substack.com/p/the-iranian-interest-in-the-israeli The Iranian interest in the Israeli-Hamas war]<br /> <br /> :*[https://gellerreport.com/2023/10/bidens-special-iran-envoy-spied-for-iranworst-state-department-scandal-since-alger-hiss.html/ Biden’s Special Iran Envoy Spied for Iran:”Worst State Department scandal since Alger Hiss”]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:42, October 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Korybko: [https://korybko.substack.com/p/debunking-the-conspiracy-theory-that-abc Debunking The Conspiracy Theory That Netanyahu Wanted Last Weekend’s Attacks To Happen]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 10:59, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/08/scott-ritter-israels-massive-intelligence-failure/ SCOTT RITTER: Israel’s Massive Intelligence Failure]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:09, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Korybko: [https://korybko.substack.com/p/russia-is-unlikely-to-let-syria-get Russia Is Unlikely To Let Syria Get Involved In The Latest Israeli-Hamas War]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:33, October 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Dreizin: With Israel-Gaza war set to last more than the “usual” few weeks, FBI/DHS must shift from MagaHeads to Islamiacs, ***NOW***. [https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/10/10/with-israel-gaza-war-set-to-last-more-than-the-usual-few-weeks-fbi-dhs-must-shift-from-magaheads-to-islamiacs-now/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:30, October 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *HistoryLegends: [https://youtu.be/Ro-ERnn7-uo Hamas Launched Surprise OFFENSIVE on Israel]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:28, October 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *GILBERT DOCTOROW: [https://gilbertdoctorow.substack.com/p/how-will-an-israeli-invasion-of-gaza How will an Israeli invasion of Gaza regionalize the war? Talking to WION Indian television]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:19, October 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://www.dossier.today/p/the-qatari-elephant-in-the-room The Qatari elephant in the room]<br /> :*[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/10/09/because-of-course-qatar-negotiating-hostage-swap-between-israel-and-hamas/ Because, of Course – Qatar Negotiating Hostage Swap Between Israel and Hamas]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:45, October 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Dreizin: Lefty & Islamiac a$$es worldwide are BURNING as GLOBOHOMO makes clear that it will arm Israel w/ no limitations, will not set time limit on Israeli operations, AND will participate in an air war against Hezbollah, if needed. U.S., Polish, Spanish military cargo aircraft flying from Europe and as far as Dover AFB delivered additional war materiel to Israel yesterday (Tuesday), & that’s just what I know about, & it’s ONLY GETTING STARTED. Most deliveries so far are likely of bombs/fuses/JDAM kits, suggesting that Israel is cleared to drop AS MANY BOMBS AS IT NEEDS TO… which means GLOBOHOMO JUST… DOES… NOT… CARE ABOUT HOW MUCH CEMENT DUST GOES FLYING AROUND GAZA. Further near-term Yoo-kraine military aid—beyond missiles for the HIMARS, and what’s already in transit—is now IMPOSSIBLE, as Israel imminently needs ***AT LEAST*** 108,000 155mm shells for a hypothetical (low-end estimate) 45 days of Gaza conquest and moderate-intensity Lebanon border fighting (this is a **VERY** CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE—based on a continuous rotating deployment of 20 batteries of 3 guns each, with each gun firing 40 rounds/day), as well as several million rifle and machinegun rounds, which amazingly Israel doesn’t have (I can’t even get my head around that)… AND, based on losses to date (ummm… really not looking great), may also need “replacement” donations of potentially (I may be lowballing) 100+ MRAPs or armored Humvees, 50+ M113s or Strykers, probably some M109 howitzers, ammo carriers, as well as mine-clearing gear, spare parts, CERTAINLY a huge volume of night-vision gear (Israel has almost none available for its reserves), etc., etc., before this is all over. ***Not even getting into precious Patriot missiles (and launchers)—fake Jew Zelensky can forget about those, the REAL Jews need the stuff now.*** If the Bearded Ones want to have their little taste of “reformatting the world”, they better have prepared their Allahu Akbar asses to face the COMBINED MIGHT OF GLOBOHOMO, like Russia has done the last 19+ months, because GLOBOHOMO UNDERSTANDS THE STAKES, JUST AS IT DID IN THE YOO-KRAINE, WHICH, BEING A LOST CAUSE, THE BEARDED ONES HAVE NOW “VOLUNTEERED” TO REPLACE. (Not to mention, THAT “cannot stand” was just a great power rivalry among “white” people, whereas THIS “cannot stand” is a last-ditch civilizational fight on Europe’s doorstep, before aggressive “bearded” Islam becomes so EMBOLDENED as to be COMPLETELY UNMANAGEABLE. Yes, dumbasses MIGHT now realize, they were fighting the wrong enemy.)<br /> <br /> *[https://justthenews.com/world/middle-east/sirens-sound-northern-israel-over-dozen-paragliders-believed-invade-lebanon Northern Israelis shelter over suspected aircraft from Lebanon where terrorists have drones, gliders]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:18, October 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://youtu.be/hUfidbBwkX0 #IronDome failure in #Israel - Detail analysis]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:40, October 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *CHRIS BRAY: [https://chrisbray.substack.com/p/hamas-and-the-military-logic-of-sexual Hamas and the Military Logic of Sexual Violence]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:05, October 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *''Tablet:'' [https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-music-festival-massacre-eyewitness-account Eyewitness Account of the Rave Massacre]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:19, October 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *'''Update:''' Dreizin: **FUNDAMENTAL** change in Israeli talk on Wednesday, with PM, other officials shifting from the usual “teach them a lesson they won’t forget for generations” blah blah, to promising to completely liquidate Hamas. This can ONLY have resulted from ***the strongest possible U.S. support behind the scenes, even MORE than what we mortals are seeing.*** It’s possible the “beheaded kids” (beheaded or not, they died badly) had some emotional impact, but this is all in the context of GLOBOHOMO having needed & now found (thanks to violently overflowing Gaza toilet monsters) a new narrative to shift away from sinking Yoo-krayne, &, as it turned out, a much fresher & more compelling “This shall not stand” story. “Progressive” Palestine freaks in retreat (e.g., see below screenshot, don’t miss it) as Mama’s little anti-colonialists now find their jobs, internships, etc., at risk in USA & across the Anglosphere, & Air Canada fires one particularly emotional Palestinian pilot; THE SOCIAL ENFORCEMENT MACHINE HAS SWUNG INTO GEAR. Still not as bad as Feb/March 2022, when world’s #1 soprano (a Russian) lost her NY Met Opera contract for not condemning Putin—no “loyalty tests” yet, but if you’re with the baddies, it was “another 9/11”, so SHUT UP!!! GLOBOHOMO orders 2nd carrier group into eastern Mediterranean as Lebanon’s Christian parties (both Hezbollah’s main Christian parliamentary ally which grants it pan-Lebanese “legitimacy”—General Aoun’s party, now headed by his son-in-law—and its main Christian opponent, the Lebanese Forces) come out AGAINST Lebanese involvement. ***No new Hezbollah attacks overnight***, as Lebanon observers speak of surprisingly “disproportionate” Israeli response to Hezbollah’s recent attacks (actual damage was not “admitted to” by Hezb, nor advertised by Israel [presumably to avoid needlessly rubbing it in their face], but Islamiac body count inside Lebanon must’ve been far in excess of number of infiltrators who died inside Israel), so I suppose Hezb can now cool it or else it must escalate, no third option.<br /> <br /> *[[Seymour Hersh]]: [https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/netanyahu-is-finished ‘NETANYAHU IS FINISHED’]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:23, October 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://scheerpost.com/2023/10/12/while-israeli-media-examine-government-failure-us-papers-push-national-unity/ While Israeli Media Examine Government Failure, US Papers Push ‘National Unity’]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:30, October 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Chris Riback: [https://chrisriback.substack.com/p/unity-government-dd6 'Unity Government']. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:00, October 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://rumble.com/v3oqlqp-israel-palestine-war-us-faces-catastrophe-in-middle-east.html "Israel is on the brink of a two-front war" – Alastair Crook]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:04, October 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://citizenwatchreport.com/breaking-reports-israel-bombing-damascus-international-airpor/ BREAKING: Reports Israel Bombing Damascus International Airport]. <br /> <br /> *[https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/rosia-fygete-oloi-apo-to-israil-analytes-vlepoun-genikefsi-tou-polemou-me-maches-5-metopa-oi-ipa-stelnoun-tin-101i-aerometaferomeni-merarchia-stin-iordania/ US sends 101st Airborne Division to Jordan – sees 5-front battles for IDF]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:01, October 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Tattoo artist and Hamas prisoner Shani Louk has "[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/11/shani-louk-israel-hamas-gaza-hostage-video-alive-hospital/ a severe head injury and is in critical condition” in a hospital in Gaza]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:38, October 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Dreizin: Saturday, Oct 14th post 1 of 2: U.S./Anglosphere Jews (esp. the “true” neocons) must now be regretting 19 months of their Ukraine rah-rah (GLORIOUS!!!!!), as emergency economic aid to Israel NOT EVEN ON THE AGENDA. Surely, AIPAC is trying to work something, but NOTHING YET public in MSM / Congress, not even 1 whisper that it might be necessary (other than 1 fake on social media.) Under constant rocket fire, having called up 360K reservists, facing 2-3 months operation to destroy Hamas & occupy Gaza, & having already blown thru 15% of forex reserves (in 1 day!!!) to defend its shekel, Israel needs a Ukraine-style “Paycheck Protection Program” (LOL) of ***at least*** $15, possibly $20+ billion in DIRECT BUDGETARY AID. This is a marathon, not a sprint, so if “dysfunctional condo board” Republicans & GLOBOHOMO can’t handle it, Brandon & “my gramps fled from Russia (which is today the Ukraine, but yes, I agree it should be Russia again, LOL)” Blinken need to pull the brake now, & tell Israel to live w/ its losses and just build a better fence & not fall asleep on guard duty, next time.<br /> <br /> === Hamas animals at work ===<br /> The terrorists captured Israeli women at a "Rave for Peace." [https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/10/so-much-for-peace.php Here is a video of one of them.] Despite the caption, it seems that she is actually still alive. '''Update''': [https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/world-news/2023/10/09/65243ef6268e3e0d698b46e0.html Her name is Shani Louk and she is a German tattoo artist]. [https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/shani-louk-german-tattoo-designer-s-last-moments-before-being-killed-by-hamas/vi-AA1hV0XF She liked to dance]. The media is assuming she is dead because of the "unnatural" position of the leg. I rewatched the video and that's actually her captor's leg holding her down. She is beautiful, why kill her? There is probably a wealthy Gulf Arab who wants to buy her. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:21, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :I'm beginning to wonder if those Palestinian terrorists are the descendants of Amalekites. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 00:36, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> The 155mm shells the US had stockpiled in Israel, the US already shipped off to Ukraine. So that leaves you with nukes and bioweapons. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:38, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I'm reliably informed that if you look in the mirror and say "globohomo" three times, George Soros appears behind you and invites you to join him in Bohemian Grove. <br /> <br /> :In other news, the IDF's force posture is predicated on the idea that all Israel's neighbours might unite and try (again) to wipe it from the map. If Netanyahu wants to flatten Gaza and southern Lebanon at the same time, he's absolutely got the conventional tools to do it. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 15:58, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::The 500 women and children hostages in Gaza will be killed in the re-enactment of last year's [[Battle of Mariupol]], and unnamed sources say a tactical nuke maybe necessary to deal with Hezbollah in the north. Then there's all the Shia militia reservists in Iraq and Taliban crossing through Iran to deal with, not to mention Iran itself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:03, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Israel's got a great airforce, but we already know the tanks are junk, as well as the [[Patriot missile]] system. You saw the convoy of tanks headed for Gaza - the Iranian Lancet drones will make short work of them. <br /> <br /> ::Now, OTOH let's suppose Israeli commanders aren't as stupid as American & Ukrainian commanders who keep sending men & material pointlessly to be killed and destroyed; let's suppose Israeli commanders are more like Russian commanders, who value the lives of their soldiers and civilians first. Then we're looking at a more protracted conflict. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:06, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::No, man. The Israelis are going to launch devastating punitive raids with conventional forces and then GTFO there. Hamas will be crippled in Gaza and Hezbollah will take a serious pasting in southern Lebanon. <br /> <br /> :::The inevitable civilian deaths will be more than sufficient to scupper any Israeli-Saudi normalisation talks for the foreseeable and Iran will likely be happy enough with that. <br /> <br /> :::Once the dust has settled, Netanyahu & the far-right clowns in his coalition will likely pay the same electoral price as Golda Meir's administration did re. similar intelligence failures in '73. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:01, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Yah yah yah I know, Trump colluded with Russia, covid came from eating bats, and Ukraine will defeat Russia. Bebe already said it's a "long war". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:24, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::My man, Israel's signature war literally has "six days" in the title. The Yom Kippur fighting in '73 was done in less than three weeks. They were in and out of Lebanon in '06 in just over a month. Their reading of "long" here is not what you think it is.<br /> <br /> :::::It is kind of cute, though, that you're so patently thirsty for Iran to set the region on fire when all they really plan to do is throw the Palestinians under the bus for their own short to medium term tactical benefit. I suspect they've got a pretty clear idea re. how much of a pasting they'll allow Hezbollah to take before ordering them to throw in the towel and regroup. They've likely even got their eye on the diplomatic brownie points available for facilitating the eventual ceasefire. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 12:58, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::::You're partially right, only you forget to consider the innovative impact of drones since the Ukraine experience. Warfare has changed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:50, October 9, 2023 (EDT) <br /> ::::::Israel can fire about 8,000 155mm rounds a day for a month right now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:58, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::You should probably stop wishcasting re. the IDF being short of any kind of ammo. This is not a thing. At all. <br /> <br /> :::::::Re. drones & changing warfare: Not that much, man. Not yet, anyway. Drones require storage before they're deployed and (currently) pilots to fly them remotely if they're going after mobile targets. Once the Israeli air campaign is done, I'd be surprised if there are sufficient drones and pilots left to mount anything more than minor harassing attacks on the ground offensive. <br /> <br /> :::::::I'd also be surprised if the Israelis have been sleeping re. their EW capabilities for signal jamming. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 15:53, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::It don't look like there will be a blitzkrieg thru Gaza; fighting will be concentrated on retaking the southern occupied settlements. This could be protracted. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:40, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::Low confidence for the following re. precise contours, but I'm assuming a week or so to stage the main ground forces around Gaza, plus seeing how many hostages (women & children) can be winkled out through mediation by the likes of Egypt. Steady airstrikes throughout to degrade Hamas' political & military infrastructure.<br /> <br /> :::::::::After that, the air / artillery campaign begins in earnest: pretty much everything adjacent to the border is flattened and all remaining known targets in the rest of the Strip are struck. Once that's done, tanks and infantry roll in from all sides - with full close air support - and they don't leave until there's no-one shooting back.<br /> <br /> :::::::::I think it'll take about a month and the civilian casualties will be catastrophic. I don't believe Netanhayu has any appetite for an occupation and he'll probably try & reinstall the PA / Fatah to administer the smouldering ruins. <br /> <br /> :::::::::The shock & awe in Gaza probably keeps the West Bank quiet-ish, but provokes a significant response from Hezbollah in the north. I'm assuming a similar air campaign there, followed by a somewhat more restrained punitive raid by land. Again, in and out in about a month. <br /> <br /> :::::::::The Western world looks on aghast at the death and destruction; Israel's neighbours express disgust, but remember exactly why they decided f______ with Israel was a Really Bad Idea; Iran smirks on the sidelines re. the chaos they've wrought; and everyone else remembers exactly why they hate Iran. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 18:37, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::The only part you left out is [[Hezbollah]] moving in from the north as soon as they move on Gaza (remember, they have to reclaim something like 9 Israeli settlements first). Read [https://gilbertdoctorow.substack.com/p/the-iranian-interest-in-the-israeli Gilbert Doctorow's assessment] and tell me what you find disagreeable. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:48, October 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::::::::[https://youtu.be/lqwDld2R3Tg Israeli Army Underperforming]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:49, October 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::::Gilbert obviously shares your proud, manly love for Putin. The "global power" line was genuinely funny. Russia has zero kit to spare and the VKS squadrons deployed to Syria are fully occupied propping up Assad. The Israelis could snuff them out in a heartbeat, but they won't because Netanyahu decided long ago that he prefers the known quantity of Assad rather than a potential failed state / new ISIS on his border. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 17:49, October 10, 2023 (EDT) <br /> ::::::::::::I had no idea you actually were so poorly informed. Read above the Korybko piece, ''Russia Is Unlikely To Let Syria Get Involved In The Latest Israeli-Hamas War''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:58, October 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::::::That's awfully decent of Mr. Putin. Please be sure to let him know how grateful we all are for his forbearance in this matter. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:03, October 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::::::::::::Btw, [https://youtu.be/KGjA1ujiEDo Avdiivka Cauldron]. Right on schedule. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:08, October 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::::::::From what I can see, your boys appear to be speedrunning the Vuhledar debacle on multiple axes. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 15:51, October 11, 2023 (EDT) <br /> <br /> ::::::::::::::::Yah, it draws reinforcements away from Bradley Square, Mariinka and Avdiivka to where the Ukies think they have a winning hand. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:56, October 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::::::::::::[[Avdiivka]] is the lynchpin of the [[Maidan regime]]'s defenses. When it goes, so does the [[AFU]], [[Odessa]], and the Maidan regime as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:26, October 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::::::::My man, the credible Z milbloggers & correspondents have already completed the postmortem on this latest Russian omnishambles. I think my favourite nugget to emerge so far is supposedly identical charge bags being weighed and varying by nearly 3 kilos. That's ''nuts''. Looking forward to seeing what happens when your boys start loading the NK junk that's arrived. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 10:29, October 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::::::::::::::Report this morning says the [https://youtu.be/mcIL4rObwdU?t=698 entire Avdiivka offensive was supported by artillery rounds from North Korea.] Let's see if North Korea drawing down its stocks has the same effect that the US, NATO, Western Europe, and Israel suffered. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 10:40, October 14, 2023 (EDT) <br /> <br /> The Iranian government is too stupid for words. Israel is a natural ally of Iran against the twin threats of Wahhabism and the Muslim Brotherhood, but the Ayatollahs are so fanatically antisemitic that they would rather pick fights with the Jewish state than focus on the enemies that actually want to destroy their country, for purely ideological reasons. They are just as delusional as the neocons and neolibs who pick fights with Russia for purely ideological reasons...--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 23:20, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :That's a very good observation. It's not just in the West and NATO countries that we have a leadership and media totally out of touch with their populations. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:30, October 8, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Israel is preparing to Commit Genocide ===<br /> <br /> Israel has every right to defend itself. Does it have the right to cause 2+ MN Civilians in Gaza, among whom are 1 MN children, to die, suffer or undergo forced displacement from their homes? Does it have the right to deprive Palestinians of basic needs like electricity, food and water? Is that Christian? Is it decent? Is it humane?<br /> <br /> From: https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israel-is-preparing-to-commit-genocide/<br /> <br /> "Israel is preparing to commit genocide<br /> Israel has already dropped more bombs on Gaza in six days than the U.S. dropped on Afghanistan in a single year. Now, the Israeli military is ordering over one million Palestinian civilians to flee their homes. This is genocide and ethnic cleansing.<br /> <br /> Israel is planning on carrying out a genocide in Gaza.<br /> <br /> The motions have been underway for days, as Israel has relentlessly bombed the Gaza Strip, one of the most densely populated places on earth.<br /> <br /> In six days, Israel has dropped 6,000 bombs on the besieged coastal enclave, which is home to 2.3 million Palestinians. Half of them are children. This falls just short of the highest number of bombs dropped by the US in a year in the war on Afghanistan.<br /> <br /> Over the past week, Israel has dropped internationally-prohibited white phosphorus on civilians in Gaza. It’s leveled entire residential neighborhoods. Wiped out families off the population registry, and killed more than 1,500 Palestinians. A third of the death toll are children." [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 03:47, October 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Here's one problem: [[Jungle Josep Borrell]] claims cutting off water supply to Gaza violates international law, yet the United States and its puppet regime in [[Kyiv]] cut off the water supply to [[Crimea]] 9 years ago. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 10:33, October 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Trump vs. Netanyahu ===<br /> More on this developing feud [https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-benjamin-netanyahu-israel-hamas-republicans-63295565c0abe5b30da5898a6b8eb01a here]. As an American whose aunt and uncle were placed in harm's way while visiting the Holy Land thanks to Netanyahu's intentional, politically motivated ignorance of Hamas' preparations for the Sukkot attacks, I celebrate this development and hope Trump escalates his rhetoric.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 03:53, October 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Have you been following any of [https://english.almayadeen.net/articles/analysis/al-aqsa-flood:-the-surprise-is-that-some-are-surprised Alastair Crooke's comments?] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:02, October 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::No, but I've since read them. And I refuse to belive for a second that this was the result of "mechanical, literal way of thinking." Knowing Netanyahu, he knew exactly what they were planning but deliberately ignored it because he ''wanted'' such devastation to be brought upon Israel. That way, it would be easy to rally the people around him as their savior while he wages his agenda unimpeded. Bush and Cheney did the same thing with 9/11, and there's a part of me that suspects FDR did the same thing with Pearl Harbor.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 11:05, October 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Israel's strict leftist gun control laws? ==<br /> <br /> The last time I was there, there was a large proportion of kids openly carrying M16s and Uzis. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 17:46, October 14, 2023 (EDT)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1974175 Talk:Main Page 2023-08-24T12:49:35Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div><center>''This page is for intelligent discussion only related to Main Page content! We are attempting to better coordinate editors<br> for collaborative input on MPR news reporting. This begins with education on programmed [[MSM]] narratives and sources.<br> Non-MSM sources can be qualified for MPR use here. Posts not related to Main Page content will be summarily removed!<br>Our intent is to get readers and editors eyes off programmed MSM [[collective]] herd [[brainwashing]] and gain a deeper understanding<br> of events shaping our daily lives. All other off-topic discussions, suggestions, socializing, frivolous rants, or rehashing MSM garbage<br> can be posted at the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal]].''</center><br /> <br /> <br /> [[Talk:Main Page/Archive index]]<br /> <br /> <br /> ==NATO war propaganda hits new low==<br /> [[File:UK propaganda 7-24-23.PNG|right|300px|thumb|'''Propaganda fail:''' According to the UK ''Sun'', Russia operates German [[Leopard 2]] tanks and Ukraine uses Lancet drones.]]<br /> According to the UK ''Sun'', Russians operate [[Leopard 2]] tanks and Ukraine uses [[Lancet]] drones. [https://youtu.be/fVmhxx5VrAA] (Read the comments if you don't believe it).<br /> <br /> When consuming [[propaganda]], bear in mind the content creators begin from the premise that you are [[stupid]]. Nowhere is this more evident than in [[Karen Dawisha]]'s book, ''Putin's Kleptocracy'', which few people have read. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:08, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> [[Doug MacGregor]] comments on the role [[atheism]] plays in [[globalism]]. [https://youtu.be/h-HJhQThF24 They Pushed The Russians Too Hard And Now They're All Doomed]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:04, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===The Big Push has arrived===<br /> <br /> When Sevastopol becomes a NATO base, we'll know we've won the war: "[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-27/ukraine-begins-major-push-in-the-south-in-its-counteroffensive#xj4y7vzkg Ukraine Steps Up Counteroffensive With Big Push in the South]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 08:54, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Lol. They need manpower, tanks, and aircover to do it. They have none (rather, rapidly running out). <br /> <br /> :[[Propaganda]] alone cannot win a war. This seems to be the major flaw in contemporary US/NATO doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:42, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :[https://youtu.be/g_CqTYZRMEU No Sane Person Goes to War against Russia (Military Textbook Ch. 1 Par. 1)]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:22, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::What is this? Guy expounding on Russian history from behind the steering wheel of his car? At least he's belted in. He'll be ready to move as soon as traffic breaks up. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:38, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::The guy meets [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability Wikipedia Notability Guidelines] for his own bio page. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:20, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :'''Scenario:''' About November 2023, the [[Biden regime]] will begin waving the white flag; [[Victoria Nuland]], who can cuss in Russian like a Russian sailor, has been appointed to the negotiating team. The problem with this scenario as laid out in open source from US [[leak]]s is, the Russians will not acquiesce to any [[NATO]] presence east of the [[Polish]] border. Yet the Biden regime proceeds as if it's a done deal. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:48, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Biden needs to show results before the New Hampshire primary in January. [https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-russia-launches-new-mass-missile-strike-kyiv-says-air-defense-capabilities-increased/ Ukraine will get the Abrams tank in September and the F-16 by the end of the year], just in time to defeat RFK Jr. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:28, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::(a) it won't go that far; (b) the first F-16 that crosses into Ukraine airspace means Polish airstrips & Ramstein get nuked, or at least hit with [[Kinzhal]]s and Iskanders (this is why US involvement won't last until Feb 2024); (c) the only alternate scenario is the [[NATO_war_in_Ukraine#Polish_deployments|Russo-Polish war]] (Poland has reserved some ammo and equipment for itself, but the US has run out and can't help. Poland does have manpower however, that can be fed into the meatgrinder since the Ukrainians are running out). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:29, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::Note on manpower needs: Ukraine entered the 2022 conflict with the largest standing military and reserves in Europe. Its army was larger than France, Germany, and the United Kingdom combined. They are all dead now. Ukraine is rebuilding its army for the fourth time in this conflict now, with the average age being 37, with no prior military training or experience. And it doesn't have the combat-experienced officers either to rebuild with.<br /> :::Note on Poland: Poland's dreams of empire have to get past the voters first in the October 2023 elections, assuming the globalists won't rig that election, either. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:25, July 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::'''Polish update:''' Being that Planet Earth knows the [[Wagner group]] is a rogue outfit outside [[Moscow]]'s control, if the Wagner group were to invade Poland, NATO cannot legally justify invoking Article 5 against Russia. [https://www.politnavigator.net/vagnera-legko-vozmut-zheshuv-azarjonok.html Wagner will easily take the NATO base at Rzeszow in Poland]. <br /> ::::Biden would have to invoke the [[Bush Doctrine]] against [[Belarus]], by the precedent of holding the Taliban responsible for harboring Al Qaeda. Of course an attack against Belarus is an attack against all 85 constituent republics of the Russian Federation. <br /> ::::It's a game of chicken; let a NATO member state kill a single Wagner fighter or Belarussian soldier on Belarussian territory from a NATO member states' territory, and see what happens. This scenario will likely play out once fighting between Wagner & Polish "peacekeepers" commence in Western Ukraine (and we won't even go into [[false flag]] scenarios). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:25, July 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===AI in drone warfare===<br /> For the first time in warfare, in [[Bradley Square]], we are seeing drones equipped with [[artificial intelligence]] seeking out and choosing for themselves which targets to destroy. [https://youtu.be/RyPIUNypMCs] The era of "precision guided" munitions is past. I'm sure AI robotic warfare is a relief to a lot of people's [[conscience]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:12, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Background: Russia entered the war with basically only one drone design, the Orlan, which looks like a hobby model available at any hobby shop. Each artillery unit had an Orlan for spotting and correcting (which the US and NATO does not have) and proved very effective. Russia acquired the Lancet (or Geranium) design from Iranian Shaid drone. It has proven extremely cost-effective. Russia is now building 1 million Lancets.<br /> <br /> :IMO, one motive behind NATO's provoking Russia to war is to discover more about its [[electronic warfare]] and other advanced technologies. It needs this, if the US really is intent on provoking the Taiwan crisis. The US needs to know how to defeat the [[S-400]] and [[S-500]], seeing that Russia would share that technology with China if the Taiwan provocation plays out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:38, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWs, while the US is said to have "air superiority", Russia is generally recognized as having the most advanced and superior missile defense systems on the planet (a jet aircraft is also a "missile"). Before spending more money on more advanced US aircraft, the US wants to force Russia's hand to lay some of its cards on the table about its missile defense systems, rather than US designers having to rely on guess work. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:55, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::The German [[Leopard 2]] tank, the supposed most advanced tank on the planet, is a good example of relying on guess work in its design. Of course, you don't really know how effective a weapon is going to be - no matter how much money you put into the project - until it is combat tested. The Leopard fails. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:06, July 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWs, that world depicted in the 1984 film ''[[The Terminator]]'', where the robots with artificial intelligence rise up to exterminate the remaining human population, is here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:43, July 31, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :In addition to AI, facial recognition is being tested on kamikaze drones. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:21, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::So it's not just a matter of sending you a ticket for J-walking anymore - they can wipe you out with a drone, as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:24, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Future War Is Here===<br /> [https://www.bitchute.com/video/B7u6qWpYHhmp/ How Ukrainians retrieve bodies of their fallen cannonfodder]. <br /> <br /> Yep, Zelensky turned Ukraine into [https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/15/politics/ukraine-russia-war-weapons-lab/index.html an experimental proving ground] for Western military technology. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:27, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Note: rigor mortis hasn't set in in this particular subject; see also [https://www.sgtreport.com/2023/05/profiting-from-war-and-death-the-organ-harvesting-business-in-ukraine/ Profiting from War and Death: The Organ Harvesting Business in Ukraine]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:32, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Update: One Russian sources using this video claims the soldier is wounded and not dead. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:04, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Must read===<br /> [https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/last-stop-before-willoughby Last Stop Before Willoughby] (2 min read). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:43, August 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===[[Teroborona]] update from American transgender spokes-thing (we don't want to be prosecuted for using the wrong pronouns) in Kiev===<br /> [https://www.bitchute.com/video/xOYHf6aQTkIh/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:16, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> RWA (Russians With Attitude): [https://youtu.be/WasACJnvjQo Sarah Ashton-Cirillo is a Kremlin Agent]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:40, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Analysis: It ought to be obvious Sarah Ashton-Cirillo has been hired by the Zelensky regime/CIA to teach English to Ukraine children using idioms and common rhetoric they hear daily in the Ukrainian language. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:28, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Wow. Russian political scientist says it all in 39 secs.===<br /> [https://www.bitchute.com/video/VInNWCfCN2sR/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:16, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Good lesson in discerning propaganda from Emil Cosman (first 1 1/2 minutes)===<br /> [https://youtu.be/CaWHx8rxLrw] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:23, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Scott Ritter interview with Soloviev===<br /> [https://rumble.com/v39toio-scott-ritter-show-ep.-42-with-vladimir-soloviev.html Scott Ritter interview with Soloviev]. Soloviev is fluent in English. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:12, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Dems step up prosecution of Trump ==<br /> <br /> Back in March, the idea of prosecuting a former president was considered a huge norm-buster, a violation of over two centuries of tradition. Using the legal system to take out political opposition was downright undemocratic. Now there are so many cases pending against Donald Trump that we need a "[https://www.politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/ definitive guide]" to keep track of them. The classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, the Stormy Daniels payoff, the phone call to the Georgia secretary of state, and Trump's role in the January 6th demonstration are all going to court, according to "target letters" issued by the relevant prosecutors.<br /> <br /> If the Democrats are confident that Joe Biden can defeat Trump, why do they want him out of the race so badly? My theory is that Biden knows that he's not getting a second term, either for undisclosed health reasons or because of the Hunter Biden bribery scandal. He wants credit for removing Trump from U.S. politics to "finish the job," as he phrases it. Prosecuting Trump is the closest thing Biden has to a popular policy. Attacking the democratic process is thus not a matter of expediency; Its what Biden wants to be remembered for. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:52, July 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Fortunately, we have some proven, well qualified sources covering the matter. TechnoFog is one of the best among several; he has proven himself through the [[Trump-Russia scam]] and impeachment, Mueller investigation, Durham investigation, etc. He even attends DC court hearings. For this reason, I'm not as engaged in the current Trump prosecutions and Hunter Biden problems as previously, cause we have respected, credible sources to use. <br /> :My focus is to connect the dots between [[Trump-Russia]] as the motivating factor and prelude to the [[Ukraine war]] - something all the same qualified sources say, but is a conspiracy so vast that when its true dimensions are known will forever be deserving of the maledictions of all honest men. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:14, July 31, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Andrew McCarthy on the Trump indictments ===<br /> Donald Trump may be flying high in the polls, but the reality is that the prosecutors and the Deep State decide. See "[https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/out-of-all-indictments-georgia-is-the-most-perilous-threat-to-trump/ Out of all indictments, Georgia is the most perilous threat to Trump]" by Andrew McCarthy. The Fulton County attorney and some Georgia jurors will decide who the next president will be -- and they are not likely to pick Trump. Trump needs to drop out and endorse somebody who can win in November. I want to see Chuck Schumer on trial for Ashlee Babbit's murder. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 11:58, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===The first thing we do, arrest all the liberals===<br /> <br /> Donald Trump could be arrested in Atlanta any time now. Three out of the four cases pending against him involve legal theories that are unprecedented in American jurisprudence. The classified documents case is the only one with a recognizable legal foundation. But by prosecuting Trump and not Hillary, Biden is attempting to rig the 2024 election. How can the wife of a former president be immune from prosecution, but not an actual former president?<br /> <br /> As president, Trump had the authority to created his own standard for what was classified and what wasn't. He could have made everything he did legal. The only reason that we know that he didn't do this is because he is on tape admitting that he didn't declassify the documents in question. So its a case that revolves on technicalities.<br /> <br /> There are twenty-seven Republican attorney generals in the United States. They should all be cranking up prosecutions of Democrats. Prosecute Hunter as an unregistered foreign agent of Russia and China. Prosecute Stacy Abrams, Al Gore, and Hillary Clinton for attempting to overturn elections. Prosecute BLM and Antifa for the 2020 riots. The tech giants should be prosecuted for donating to pro-riot groups in order to force Americans to shop online. Investigate the intelligence officers who told us Hunter's laptop was disinformation just before the 2020 election. See "[https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/15/how-should-republicans-respond-to-fulton-county-indict-the-left/ How Should Republicans Respond To Fulton County? Indict The Left]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:25, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Don't hold back now, tell us what you really think. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 10:54, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::The Georgia Republicans who were selected as counter electors in 2020 were following a precedent set by Hawaii Democrats in 1960. Now they have been charged under RICO as if they were mobsters. See "[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/the-georgia-indictment-is-the-biggest-threat-to-democracy-yet The Georgia indictment is the biggest threat to democracy yet]" and "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1SN5685Tus VERIFY: Yes, RICO was created to prosecute the mob]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:46, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::What would Pastor Niemoller say about that turn of phrase? [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 11:23, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The phrase is from ''Henry VI, Part II'': “The first thing we do is, let’s kill all the lawyers.” It's one of Shakespeare's most famous quotes. It's a pity that popular history has been reduced to Nazis and slavery. '''Update'''. Biden routinely describes anyone who criticizes him or his policies from the right as a "white supremacist" or a "Maga Republican." He is ready to sic the FBI on us: "[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/sep/15/biden-accused-pressuring-fbi-fabricate-extremist-a/ Biden accused of pressuring FBI to fabricate ‘extremist’ and ‘White supremacist’ cases]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:58, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::Even assuming a moral and literary equivalence between Niemoller's poem and a decontextualised joke by a minor character in a minor Shakespeare play, what do you think Shakespeare was saying through Jack Cade, Dick the Butcher and all the other rebels? [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 08:32, August 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == West scrambles to hash out details of F-16 Training for Ukraine ==<br /> <br /> Say it with me. NATO Population: 1 BN, Russia: 150 MN; NATO GDP: >40 TN, Russia GDP: <2 TN. There is no way Russia can win this War.<br /> <br /> "The scramble by the West comes as Ukraine calls for additional military capabilities to break through Russian defenses on the battlefield. And Ukraine is ramping up pressure on allies to send F-16s again this week, as Russia pulled out of a deal that allowed civilian ships to transport grain through the Black Sea; Ukraine’s foreign minister said Tuesday that the jets could help protect a corridor that is vital to global food security.<br /> <br /> One training proposal that has been discussed involves bringing Ukrainian pilots to the United States to receive instruction from the 162nd Air Wing, an Air National Guard unit based in Tucson, Ariz., that already trains foreign partners on the F-16."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/25/west-ukraine-f-16-training-00108111 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:48, August 2, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Those numbers are screwed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:01, August 2, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Russian Foreign Ministry and Ministry of Defense could not be more clear (and they do not need to repeat it over and over and over again): If they see an F-16 flying east over Ukraine territory, they will regard it as a nuclear attack. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:44, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWS put succinctly - all the talk from Western sources reported in Western media about Ukrainian pilots trained on F-16s and supplying Ukraine with F-16s is interpreted in Moscow as making nuclear threats (it does not matter if Western MSM fails to understand or report that fact). Please, stop spewing Western veiled nuclear threats in Main Page talk. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:55, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Russian military has no way to discern if an F-16 flying east over Ukraine is armed with a nuclear or conventional bomb, has stated they will assume it is nuclear equipped, and will respond accordingly. Period. Paragraph, End of Statement. Please desist. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:59, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The [[propaganda]] in the ''[[Politico]]'' article posted is what you call "bluster", and if the sources quoted are serious, they are insane madmen. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 03:05, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :[https://www.azerbaycan24.com/en/russia-becomes-europe-s-biggest-economy-report/ Russia becomes world's 5th largest economy and largest in Europe], surpassing Germany despite sanctions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:08, August 5, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === US approves sending F-16s to Ukraine from Denmark and Netherlands ===<br /> <br /> My prediction that the War will likely end by end 2024 or in about 1.5 years is looking pretty good right now. This breaking from Reuters.<br /> <br /> "WASHINGTON, Aug 17 (Reuters) - The United States has approved sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands to defend against Russian invaders as soon as pilot training is completed, a U.S. official said on Thursday.<br /> <br /> Ukraine has actively sought the U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets to help it counter Russian air superiority.<br /> <br /> Washington gave Denmark and the Netherlands official assurances that the United States will expedite approval of transfer requests for F-16s to go to Ukraine when the pilots are trained, the official said."<br /> <br /> https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approves-sending-f-16s-ukraine-denmark-netherlands-2023-08-17/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 20:56, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I know you follow MSM, but right now the experts are giving the Zelensky regime's life expectancy about 4-5 weeks.<br /> <br /> :As to the F-16s, they will be stripped down and the pilots are just sacrificial lambs to see how the Russians destroy the planes. <br /> <br /> :One of the big problems with F-16 is, they need a special runway that doesn't exist in Ukraine; so if they take off from Poland or Romania, that is an act of war originating from those countries. So they have to take off from these shortened runways in Ukraine. NATO is just paying close attention to how long it takes for the Russian forces to detect them and respond, with what kind of electronic warfare, and how they will destroy them. It's just basic research the [[MIC]] needs to build into the [[F-35]]. <br /> <br /> :And the Russians won't use their top-of-the-line technology to destroy them. They'll use older Soviet stuff that NATO has probably never faced. <br /> <br /> :Now sure, in the F-16s first or second run they may get lucky, make a few hits, and return to base alive, which will get maximum air play for propaganda purposes. But by the third run the Russians will have it figured out, how to make the kill shot without revealing too much about their modern weapons systems (radar detection and missile defense). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:26, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The [[Leopard 2]], for example, "the best main battle tank on the planet", didn't last one day in combat. Now it's the UK Challenger's turn. Next is the Abrams. They send them in in such limited, small numbers, not cause they expect them to be useful or "win" (a "gamechanger") in combat, but to discover their vulnerabilities and information about Russian offensive weapons. It's just experimental under real combat conditions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:47, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Shoigu already said Russia will regard F-16s as a nuclear threat, and I just heard it repeated (the Russians are not in the habit of repeating themselves; they basically make an official statement once and leave it at that. They don't play the Western media game of tit-for-tat rhetoric timed for news cycles, but I;ll watch to see if had to be repeated). Sometimes they may give a gentle reminder on their [[policy]], but they are not required to answer all the bluster coming from the West everytime somebody talks smack. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:05, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::{Note: In diplomatic language, there is a difference between a "nuclear threat" and a "nuclear attack".) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:43, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::The Russians will use that Reuters report and/or whoever it came from as simply more evidence how they are disrespected and ignored in the West. The West can laugh it off, but it carries weight in Russian domestic propaganda. So when you get clobbered with a nuke, don't say you weren't warned. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:08, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> If Putin was going to use Nukes, he would have used them long ago. Not to mention nuked Prighozin among others. He won't do it because he knows it'll be the end of him, and he loves his power, status and wealth - most of it ill-gotten, by some accounts he's the world's richest man, unjustly so - see this: "The Kremlin claims that Putin earns an annual salary of $140,000. His publicly disclosed assets include an 800-square foot apartment, a trailer, and three cars. But according to some experts, he may be the wealthiest man in the world with assets totaling up to $200 billion.02-Mar-2022" https://fortune.com/2022/03/02/vladimir-putin-net-worth-2022/ - too much ever to risk it. Putin shouldn't have started this War, he probably feels that way too now himself, but his ego and pride won't let him let go. All he needs to do is retreat back to his own Territory and it'll be over. But he doesn't want to do that and he won't do it until soundly defeated. He's used the "E-word" Escalation too much for it to be credible or meaningful anymore, kinda like the Boy who cried Wolf. And so, Ukraine will calmly do its duty to defend its own Territory, its own Soil, and its 40+ Million citizens whom Thug Putin is Robbing of their Happiness, their Dreams, their Future, their Security and their Prosperity. But not for long because they're rightly fighting back. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 20:29, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You can't have it both ways - saying Putin is an irrational madman but rational enough not to use nukes. "A world without Russia isn't worth living in" - Vladimir Putin. [https://www.bitchute.com/video/DKYBayLj39ox/ "We go to Paradise, but they won't have time to repent."] - Vladimir Putin. <br /> <br /> :Putin didn't start the war.<br /> <br /> :The same nuclear scenario regarding F-16s over Ukrainian airspace will occur with or without Putin. It'll happen even if Putin had never been born. Putin has little to say over Russian Federation nuclear doctrine. In fact, Putin really isn't a military man at all. The nuclear doctrine was scripted by others.<br /> <br /> :Here again, you are a victim of Western propaganda. Unlike the United States, the decision to use a nuke does not rest in the hands of one man, as in the US. The battlefield commander armed with a nuke, in both Soviet and Russian Federation nuclear doctrine, rests in the hands of the battlefield commander armed with a nuke. (So once the decision is made to transfer a nuke in the hands of a commander, for example the decision to arm [[President Lukashenko]] with a nuke, it is out of [[Moscow]]'s hands). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:04, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Put succinctly, if Shoigu and the boys in the [[Kremlin]] transfer a nuke into [[Gen. Surovikan]]'s hands, Surovikin has full authority to use it at his discretion, under [[Russian nuclear doctrine]]. He only needs to report using it back to the Kremlin afterward. That decision has already been made, and Putin was only one voice or vote in making that decision to transfer a nuke into a certain commanders' hands. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:07, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Under Russian doctrine, the Russian Ministry of Defense can hand out 20 or 30 nukes to battlefield commanders all over the planet, and each one independently, alone, has sole discretion, power, and authority to use it. The simple fact you (a) don't understand this, or (b) refuse to accept this fact and are fixated on Vladimir Putin, shows the extent of how badly you have willingly subjected yourself to Western media [[brainwash]]ing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:13, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::This shows the colossal mistake NATO governments and their controlled media made in the early days of the [[propaganda]] war, by mocking the Russian military and its commanders. Russian battlefield commanders, of which there are dozens, are better trained and qualified, with better judgment of under what circumstances the use of nuclear weapons may be necessary than [[Joe Biden]], or any NATO commander, or any nuclear armed NATO member [[head of state]] or head of government. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:44, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :No, the rest of the planet does not necessarily follow the US model, where one man (supposedly) is in control of nukes (under Trump, remember, even that was questioned). In fact, following the American model or example of how a government ''should'' be structured is much at the heart of ''how'' and ''why'' this war began. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:19, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Take Pakistan, for example: when [[Benazir Bhutto]] was elected President, she had no idea who was in control of Pakistan's nukes, which individual or group of individuals made the decision to launch, or where they were even located until the [[CIA]] informed her. But that still didn't give her any authority. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:23, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> So let's get into the details of what Putin is [https://www.bitchute.com/video/DKYBayLj39ox/ describing here with the MAW (Missile Advance Warning) system]. An F-16 is a (manned) missile. The MAW system detects launch, approach, and trajectory. Shoigu and others have repeatedly stated, they cannot determine whether a "nuclear capable" F-16 is or is not armed with a nuclear weapon, therefore they will regard it as a nuclear threat. Sure, you can mock the Russian MAW system as 20 years behind technological standards of the West, but too bad - the Russians have stated their position and NATO understands it. "We go to Paradise, but they won't have time to repent." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:16, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> As to the "E-word", escalation is not spontaneous. Escalation has all been gamed-out on both sides. You can see videos of escalation being "gamed-out" over Taiwan on YouTube. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:38, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> [https://southfront.press/step-towards-global-nuclear-war/ F-16 FOR UKRAINE: STEP TOWARDS GLOBAL NUCLEAR WAR:] <br /> :''"The United States has finally approved the transfer of F-16 fighter jets from Denmark and the Netherlands to Ukraine upon completion of pilot training. There are no more obstacles to the supply of F-16 fighters to Ukraine, Copenhagen said.<br /> <br /> :''The United States agreed to train Ukrainian pilots on the F-16. The aircraft could be reportedly sent to Ukraine by the end of the year. Denmark and the Netherlands joined the training program, supported by the USA, Belgium, France and the UK.<br /> <br /> :''The Kremlin stated that since the F-16 is capable of carrying nuclear warheads the transfer of F-16s to Kiev would be considered a nuclear threat from the West."'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:47, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Larry Johnson report===<br /> CIA analyst (there is no such thing as "ex-CIA" contrary to most MSM reports, unless you are dead) [[Larry Johnson]] reports today (corroborating much of my spiel above), beginning with a quote from ''[[WaPo]]'':<br /> :'''WaPo''': ''The bleak outlook, briefed to some Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill, has already prompted a '''blame game''' inside closed-door meetings. Some Republicans are now balking at President Biden’s request for an additional $20.6 billion in Ukraine aid given the offensive’s modest results. Other Republicans and, to a lesser extent, hawkish Democrats have faulted the administration for not sending more powerful weapons to Ukraine sooner.''<br /> <br /> :''U.S. officials reject criticisms that F-16 fighter jets or longer-range missile systems such as ATACMS would have resulted in a different outcome. “The problem remains piercing Russia’s main defensive line, and there’s no evidence these systems would’ve been a panacea,” a senior administration official said.''<br /> <br /> '''Johnson''': "During my time at CIA we had an expression for the Captain Obivious conclusion — we called it, “No Sh*t Analysis.” The [[F-16]] is not a [[wunder waffen]]. It has no magical powers. It is an aircraft that can readily be identified by Russia’s robust, integrated air defense system and it will be shot down. God pity the pilots of those planes if they ever make it to the theater of battle.<br /> <br /> The publication of this article in the [[Washington Post]] is just another sign of flagging U.S. support for Ukraine. This is sending a signal that the U.S. [[intel community]] is no longer on the Ukraine band wagon." [https://sonar21.com/more-signs-the-west-is-losing-and-reacting-accordingly-in-ukraine-plus-judge-napolitanos-round-table/]<br /> <br /> '''RobS' comment''': "Russia’s robust, integrated air defense system" is exactly what I spoke of above - the [[MIC]] wants Russia to lay some of its cards on the table about its modern "integrated air defense system" for research into the design of the [[F-35]]. Russia will try to hide as much as they can while using older systems. And Johnson pointedly refers to what I called Ukraine's "sacrificial lamb" pilots used on a suicide mission. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:19, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Simplicius' take===<br /> Simplicius gives the same analysis, albeit from a Russian perspective [https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-82023-f-16s-paper-over-500k] (quoted at length):<br /> {{quotebox-float|I view the delivery of such planes as a very good thing. I’ve said since the beginning that all the most advanced Western arms provide essential training to Russian forces, who need to learn how to fight against these systems for the sake of a potential future war against NATO proper.<br /> <br /> That means Russian AD operators, fighter pilots, etc., will all get critical experience on dealing with one of NATO’s top aircraft, including registering their characteristics into their radar registries for enhanced identification purposes.<br /> <br /> Such a rare opportunity to go up against and study these types of systems in a ‘low risk’ environment is crucial. It’s better to go up against them now, in Ukrainian hands and low numbers, while learning their secrets and weaknesses, than experiencing them for the first time in a full-fledged war against NATO where hundreds/thousands of them are deployed at the same time in a far more uncontrollable setting.<br /> <br /> Sure it may seem callous to want Ukraine to have better/more advanced weaponry because the argument is that some Russians will lose their lives from this, but you have to see things in a broader view. It will save more lives in the long term, in light of a much larger future war, if they can master combating these systems now.}}<br /> The F-16 is not a "gamechanger". Both Zelensky and defense minister Reznikov have said Ukraine is a testing ground for NATO weapons. It's not just tragic, but in the case of Zelensky we need to examine the moral question how he is willing to trade the lives of his own people for money as a proxy in a great power game he knows Ukraine will emerge as a loser. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:48, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Re: MPR post of "Poll: Putin named World's Most Respected Leader." ==<br /> <br /> Re: Main page right post of: '''Poll:''' [[Putin]] named World's Most Respected Leader. [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/joe-biden-is-dead-last-international-poll-who/]<br /> <br /> The actual news story's lead as far as it's first two sentences is: "In a recent online poll on Twitter X Joe Biden ended up dead last in an international poll on respected leaders. Russia’s Vladimir Putin was first with 35.6% of the vote followed by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi with 33.7% of the vote, followed by Ukraine’s Zelensky with 21.9% of the vote."<br /> <br /> A Twitter poll can be affected by bots. I realize that a scientifically done representational poll done by Gallup International would be more expensive, but sometimes truth comes at a steeper price. <br /> <br /> My guess is that the wealthy countries aligned with the USA would tend to be more anti-Putin. Of course, Russia has its allies too. And then much of the global south and/or poor countries are unaligned so they are better able to negotiate for the best deals. India has been unaligned for a long time. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:27, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The article actually says, "Russia’s Vladimir Putin was first." Case closed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:31, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::I suppose if you want easy answers that fit your views and are closed-minded it is "case closed", but otherwise one would have to spend more money. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:35, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I's a fact: the Department of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University found Vladimir Putin the world's most respected leader in its annual World of Statistics polling. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:41, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Should be an eyeopener for students and young people compared to the [[MSM]] [[brainwashing]] and garbage readers like yourself routinely consume. 19:43, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::I am open to that notion, but I want a source. And the source has to agree with what you are claiming. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:44, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::Also, the Twitter poll posted on MPR was done by the Twitter account of "World of Statistics".[https://twitter.com/stats_feed/status/1688618337473810434] And unfortunately, we don't know who runs that account. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:47, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::::Fortunately, we do: the Mathematics Statistics Dept of Georgia State University, which I just stated above (sorry, I know you comprehension is a little bit lagging). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:50, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> Furthermore, as far as a "Department of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University" poll, when was it done? I ask because both sides of the war in Ukraine have engaged in war atrocities. See: [[Essay: Russian war crimes in Ukraine]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:52, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Ok. You are not giving a source as far as your alleged "Department of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University" poll. I will remain a skeptic then. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:53, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Find it yourself.<br /> <br /> :::::(ec) Did you read the Consortium news piece in the Propaganda update? This section made me immediately think of you:<br /> ::::::"[https://consortiumnews.com/2023/08/10/caitlin-johnstone-illusory-truth-unprovoked-invasion/ Their repetition of this war propaganda slogan exploits a glitch in human cognition known as the [[illusory truth effect]]], which makes it difficult for our minds to tell the difference between the experience of hearing something many times and the experience of hearing something that’s true.}. <br /> :::::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:54, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> Anyways, the Departments of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University could do a Twitter poll in good faith, but it could have been tainted by Twitter bots. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:57, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Also, "The accuracy of a poll depends on how it was conducted. Most of Pew Research’s polling is done by telephone. By contrast, most online polls that use participants who volunteer to take part do not have a proven record of accuracy. There are at least two reasons for this. One is that not everyone in the U.S. uses the internet, and those who do not are demographically different from the rest of the public. Another reason is that people who volunteer for polls may be different from other people in ways that could make the poll unrepresentative. At worst, online polls can be seriously biased if people who hold a particular point of view are more motivated to participate than those with a different point of view."[https://www.pewresearch.org/2010/12/29/how-accurate-are-online-polls/] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:02, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::The American Association for Public Opinion Research recently released a detailed report on the strengths and weaknesses of online polling. The full text of the report can be found [http://poq.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/10/19/poq.nfq048.full.html here].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:04, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::(ec) Sorry, you're going to have to take that up with the professional statisticians at Georgia State University. <br /> :::Nowwhere in the poll results does it say it was a Twitter poll, as you ass-u-me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:07, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The non-aligned countries often share a common trait: Making expedient deals. That's one of the strengths that Donald Trump had as a real estate mogul. He was a dealmaker as president. The Abraham Accords had one of its prime focuses on economic deal-making and the various country's economic interests. Biden can't hold a candle to Trump and he made the Ukraine-Russia situation much worse. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:29, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::Interesting; but I don't see how that relates to the subject of this thread. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:31, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> The nonaligned countries and their citizens focus on "what have you done for me lately". Unfortunately for Russia and Ukraine, they are going to get further damaged in the war in Ukraine which may drag on for a long time. So they will have less to offer the world. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:35, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Still don't see how that relates...[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup><br /> ::Oh, well. I tried to explain it to you. If you still don't get it, I can live with that. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:51, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::Trump didn't even make the poll, and what do war atrocities have to do with the poll? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:03, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Okay, I think I understand now. You associate the name "Putin" with "Trump", "Zelensky", and "war". You do not associate it with "leadership", "the Russian nation", or "Christianity". Okay. That tells me a lot about how your mind works and processes information. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:57, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Breaking: Kupiansk front collapses==<br /> ''[https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/08/10/today-borscht-reichs-kupiansk-front-collapsed-in-mass-retreat-of-militia-2nd-echelon-units-lacking-fire-support-facing-logistical-breakdown-as-veteran-russian-forces-advanced-all-of-this-toda/ Developing]''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:38, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://youtu.be/k-S77ygsp1k Catastrophe Looms Over The Entire Kupiansk Frontline.] This is an ex-pat dissident channel. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:55, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *According to Dima of the Military Summary channel, the Russians have 100,000 troops in this sector; according Driezen, Ukraine has no reserves left here, as the Russians just broke through their second echelon. This means, the collapse in this same sector the Russians experienced last September is being reversed, and brings the Russians up to the doorstep of the city of [[Kharkov]]. However, no siege is likely yet, as some Russians forces need to head south and deal with other frontlines elsewhere from the Ukrainian rear. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:00, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::100km doorsteps ftw [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:53, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> [[File:Screen-Shot-2023-08-12-at-8.33.37-AM-937x1024.png|right|400px|thumb|Ukrainian citizens are waking up. War has not been declared, so [https://www.bitchute.com/video/BFRuB1AP79IT/ martial law and conscription is illegal] under existing law.]]<br /> :::There is nothing standing between them and Kharkov. But they'll probably break-off a large contingent south to help out at Krasny-Limon first and north to secure the border - once they finish up work at Kupiansk. <br /> :::Besides, Odessa is more important to secure than Kharkov right now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:59, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Conway, I'd be interested in hearing your assessment of what remains of Ukrainian fighters; as I understand, Ukraine only has about 40,000 NATO trained/equipped troops remaining. The rest, about 160,000, are untrained/unexperienced conscripts pressed into service with an average age over 37 (many in their 50s). There is talk of another mobilization, but there's nobody left to press into service. Fully 90% of all males (say over the age of 15) will have served before the war is over. What remains have long left the country and likely will never return. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:19, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://weapons.substack.com/p/ukraine-update-keep-an-eye-on-kupyansk Ukraine Update: Keep an Eye on Kupyansk] Russia May Soon Shift its Strategy, STEPHEN BRYEN. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:25, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Note: What Bryen says about the Wagner group returning to Russia, cited to the ISW, is false information. By law, a private military company like the Wagner group cannot operate on Russia soil, which is why they were withdrawn from [[Lugansk]] and Rostov and sent to Belarus. See also [https://youtu.be/2T0rwE6Y10s HistoryLegends], a pro-Ukraine channel. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:35, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Manpower isn't an issue. Ukraine fully mobilised in Feb. 2022. Currently / nationally, they've got around a million serving in uniform (inc. support & rear / staff units) and they're still actively recruiting and forming new brigades. As long as the materiel keeps flowing, they can keep this going indefinitely and they intend to. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:09, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::A million when you count the men 70+ and 15 year olds (the railway workers are considered the "hidden army"; also, now you have the mobilization of doctors and technocrats for combat duty). But we're not getting much reporting on the political situation; all the hardcore "nationalists" are dead, and their widows are pissed off. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:12, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::This can't keep up: [https://www.bitchute.com/video/J1JWnKQNaEEw/ Ukrainian Recruits Sent To Dig Trenches Found The Buried Corpses Of Previous Cannonfodder There]. I have another report on how Zelensky is destroying Ukrainian families by sending men to the front, which I'll post later when I find it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:09, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::[https://tsarizm.com/analysis/2023/08/12/ukraine-a-country-of-misery-how-to-find-more-troops-for-bloodshed/ Ukraine, A Country Of Misery: How To Find More Troops For Bloodshed] (machine translated). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:39, August 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::As far as I understand it now, here's what Zelensky's latest decree is suppose to do: his illegal order to grab conscripts off the street in select communities and regions has changed: he's now sending those guys (the kidnappers) to the front, and replacing them with returning veterans who lost an arm or leg. How a guy with one leg is suppose to chase a draft dodger down the street, as we've seen in countless videos, is unclear, but it's never been like he really cares anyway, so long as the [[DC]] gravy train keeps rolling. And apparently the new decree may apply nationwide, and not just in select regions and communities with Russian and Hungarian populations that the Kyiv regime (and NATO) seek to exterminate by sending draftees, pressed into service, on suicide attacks.<br /> <br /> ::::Reports indicate foreign mercenaries are being assigned to units to shoot in the back anyone who tries to desert or refuses to attack when ordered to do so, replacing the Nazi units which now will probably see more frontline action. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:24, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::The reason mercenaries have been assigned to take over the role of commissars one can only speculate, but I would guess it's because it is well known the Russians particularly target foreign mercenary groups (and have even stepped up their targeting) in both the front and rear. So evidently their numbers have been reduced, and recruiting hasn't gone so well over the past year or so. This still gives mercenaries a vital function to play, and hopefully reduces the number of foreign mercenaries deserting and returning home. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:45, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::Bear in mind, certain stories leaked out about the holocaust during World War II, but most people found the stories too incredible to believe and dismissed them as propaganda. It wasn't until the war was over before the truth came out, and the magnitude of government policy was understood. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:01, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::[https://www.bitchute.com/video/fkto39NnUchb/ Do you detect a change in Ukrainian society from February 2022?] The commissars themselves are now being sent to the front. This means the end is near, when the military and society itself begins to collapse. Great leadership on the part of Zelensky, NATO, and all their Western civilian backers. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:24, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> The decree is about getting ahead of a brewing scandal re. regional recruitment officials accepting bribes from draft dodgers. It's likely some pretty rich & powerful Ukrainians will be found to have bought their sons out of serving and - politically, at least - it makes sense to nuke the entire regional recruitment leadership and start again.<br /> <br /> There's no wider issue re. recruitment. Sure, virtually all those inclined to volunteer have done so already, but <br /> that's just what happens in any sufficiently big war. Eventually, you have to start pressing people into service. They might not be thrilled at the prospect, but as long as they know what they're fighting for - and they do - most of them will grit their teeth and get on with it. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:40, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Oh wow. So "recruitment" now means [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/press-gang "press gang"] and "draft". Okay. I hope you hang around to help translate more of this common [[propaganda]] terminolgy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:05, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Did you see the [https://videopress.com/v/PWnUihfT video from a few weeks ago] of the [[fragging]] incident? where the Ukrainian commander tossed a hand grenade into a bunker full of Ukrainian soldiers who refused to fight? The big mystery is, why would they post it on the internet afterward? And no, it's not a fake or Russian propaganda. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:12, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::There is a video of this same incident with subtitles I can't find right now; but he's basically arguing with the soldiers cause he sent them to occupy a certain position and they returned to the bunker here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:16, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not a day goes by where there's not a half dozen videos of the press gangs in action. People now are beginning to fight back. And the widows are confronting them in street, asking "Why don't you go to the front?" That's what Zelensky evidently is responding to. Also, the regime now is beginning to requisition people's vehicles (mostly the nice ones) off the street, as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:12, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Fragging update: [https://www.bitchute.com/video/F5URTIEszf6X/ AFU Troops Fleeing In Kupyansk Are Allegedly Shot In The Back By Colleagues]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:17, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> :ConwayIII wrote: "grit their teeth and get on with it." <br /> <br /> :Spoken like a true Brit! <br /> <br /> :Carry on, ConwayIII. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:59, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Obama and transgenderism ==<br /> <br /> Traditional history records a handful of transgendered freaks like Emperor Elagabulus (c. 204 -222). The modern history of this subject begins with John Money, who wrote a journal article about Canadian David Reimer in 1967. Reimer was born a boy and was brought up as a girl as part of a sick psychological experiment. He committed suicide in 2004. ''The Rocky Horror Picture Show'' (1975) gave us the word "transsexual." In 2015, Olympian Bruce Jenner announced that he was a woman. Suddenly, the issue everywhere. Thousands of years of human cultural were overturned by a ''Vanity Fair'' cover. <br /> <br /> There was obviously more to the story, but the magazine cover was only part that the MSM was interested in telling us about. After watching [https://youtu.be/E3um55ckPKs this Megan Kelly video], I suspect at that we can thank President Barack Obama for this problem. He wrote up fantasies about gay sex, according to Kelly. [https://youtu.be/WGLn9wGGSOQ He had a masculine-looking white girlfriend at one point]. He gave her up to have a politically correct marriage with Michelle.<br /> <br /> If you recall the panic over covid, it seems that drug companies are calling the shots these days. So how can we control them? Malcolm Gladwell has a podcast about how California and other states [https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/in-triplicate headed off the opioid epidemic by requiring forms to be filled out "in triplicate]." I remember when "in triplicate" was a metaphor for the dumbest, most pointless form of regulation, so this backstory was fascinating. Maybe its time to do something similar for puberty blockers. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:20, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The story of [[Michael Robinson]] has been known for a while. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:39, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::During the 2008 campaign, Obama's ''Dreams from my Father'' (1995), was treated as a definitive account. In 2012, a biography by David Maranass went through the book and debunked every story worth debunking. All those stories about how Obama triumphed over race discrimination? They were fake, every single one. But Maranass's account just leaves us with more questions. If Obama had spent his undergrad years playing basketball and smoking dope, how did he get into Harvard? You're not even allowed to ask as far as the MSM is concerned. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 04:55, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::[https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/david-garrow-interview-obama Here is a recent interview with Obama biographer David Garrow]. Garrow's book was a bestseller in 2017. He tracked down Obama girlfriend Sheila Miyoshi Jager as well as his homoerotic letters. The letters are part of an archive kept at Emory University in Georgia. Every major figure in the Biden administration is an Obama appointee. They run policy while Biden focuses on making money for himself and his family. [https://nypost.com/2022/10/17/hunter-bidens-real-estate-firm-received-over-100m-from-russian-oligarch/ Compared to Hunter's $100 million in Russian money], Obama's book deal was worth a measly $65 million. The Garrow interview I linked to argues that Obama is running this administration, much like Jefferson writing letters in Monticello telling the Madison administration what to do. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 13:43, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Do you feel like adding some of this to [[Obama]]'s bio article? His post-presidency and legacy, or maybe his early life? I'm debating about adding [https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=NT2YjbI6&id=D1F7DC24C6EBAA8C2BA86871F1850BC1BCB6D7AD&thid=OIP.NT2YjbI6dxAm_VLudfLpDAHaHa&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fthefederalistpapers.org%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2016%2f03%2fObama-On-Septic-Pumper-Truck.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.353d988db23a771026fd52ee75f2e90c%3frik%3drde2vMELhfFxaA%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=600&expw=600&q=obama+septic+tank&simid=607996215202089094&FORM=IRPRST&ck=6D95A0F1D3101378ECDFDA649B32E336&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0 this photo to his Legacy] section. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:18, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::I downloaded a copy of Garrow's book and I'll work on this when I have a chance. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:54, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Demonic ISIS Terrorism against Christians and Churches goes tragically under-reported in the world press ==<br /> <br /> God will have His Vengeance on the Persecutors of Christians: "Vengeance is Mine, says the Lord, I will repay"; "You are the Apple of My Eye, says the Lord; Whoever touches you touches Me"; "Saul, Saul why are you persecuting Me ... I am Jesus, Whom you persecute", the Lord said when His Martyrs were being Persecuted, as they are still today, above all by these Radical Islamist Terrorist Thugs. Will update the Persecution of Christians in the World Today article with this shortly, but it is also News that deserves to be more widely reported.<br /> <br /> From: https://www.memri.org/jttm/isis-africa-chad-cameroon-niger-democratic-republic-congo-nigeria-mozambique-targeting<br /> <br /> "ISIS videos in 2022 not only gloried in the killing of Christians and the destruction of their property and churches, but also in showing kidnapped Christian villagers being forcibly converted to Islam. Our adversary sees this campaign in ideological, Islamic supremacist terms most of all.<br /> <br /> African Christians are in a sense doubly stigmatized. Their suffering is minimized in the eyes of most of the West because they are both Africans and Christians, two categories that can be easily ignored by our enlightened elites more interested in promoting the latest fashionable progressive ideologies.<br /> <br /> But with talk of Africa becoming a higher priority for the U.S. as a result of intensifying great power competition, it is important to understand the full scope and ramifications of this bloody campaign. Certainly, the longer it continues, the greater possibility exists of the full ethnicization of these conflicts which could further fracture already stressed states and societies. What ISIS did to religious minorities in the Middle East it is seeking to do on a continent where Islam and Christianity are relatively equally matched. The potential result is pouring oil on a simmering fire.<br /> <br /> This comprehensive MEMRI report should be a wake-up call, not only about the military and security dimensions of the conflict in Africa that are too easily ignored, but about the ideological and cultural elements of this struggle. Only by understanding this crisis fully can we hope to address it successfully." [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:07, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :uh, [[ISIS]] was funded by the [[Obama administration]] and the US taxpayer (just as [[Ukrainian Nazi]]s now are funded by the US). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:26, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> The Clear Solution is an Integrally Conservative Christian Candidate for US President. Since NATO is a US-dominated Alliance, it follows that the Ideology - whether Atheistic and Woke, i.e. pro-abortion and pro sodomy LGBTQ, or Conservative and Christian i.e. Pro-Life, Pro-Family, Pro-Natural Marriage etc - that dominates the US will also dominate NATO. It remains that the Election of a Conservative Anti-Woke Christian President like De Santis will definitely help end the Ukraine War, because then the West will go back to promoting Christian Values. Indeed, the possibility of an American-Russian Alliance - against ISIS for e.g. which still Terrorizes much of Africa - at a not too distant date is still possible. But Russia also needs to go back to its own territory for that to happen. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:34, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :[[Deep State]] support for ISIS is why Obama fired [[Gen. Michael Flynn]] as [[Defense Intelligence Agency]] director cause he opposed it, and why the [[FBI]] framed him up on bogus charges - to silence him. And why the Deep State thwarted all efforts by the Trump administration. Unfortunately, not only is there no clue that DeSantis understands any of this, he's funded by the same [[globalist]] forces in bed with the Deep State. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:46, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Let me take part of that back - yes, DeSantis does understand much of the [[Deep State coup plot]], but his ranting against it is an empty handed gesture. Like Trump, he wouldn't be able to get his own appointments the proper security clearances past the corrupt FBI, and would have to staff his own administration with a bunch of deep staters, just has Trump was forced to. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:50, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :And even if he could get a single appointee, like [[Gen. Flynn]] for example who already had the proper security clearances, the FBI will harass and frame them up on bogus charges in order to protect itself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:55, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :: Brother, the Deep State really is Evil, and De Santis is the most dedicated, disciplined, tough, Anti-Evil Candidate I have ever seen. I'm not easily impressed, and I'm really impressed by De Santis. That is after many hours of researching his record and his accomplishments. This man walks the walk and not just talks the talk. He will Succeed in destroying the Deep State, which Trump could not completely do, though I'll happily admit Trump did do some good things. De Santis catching on to Fauci being part of the Deep State within the Trump Administration while Trump was still commending that is just one basic evidence for that I can think of. De Santis is the Crusading Christian Conservative Champion we've all been waiting for for 40+years since Ronald Reagan and he will take the Deep State down. Just give him the chance and see. If I'm wrong in 2028, I'll eat my words and you can quote them back to me right here. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:27, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::Here's where you need some understanding how the system operates (and we will not even go into the matters of [[FISA abuse]] or [[Weaponization of government]]).<br /> <br /> :::Presidentiual power consists of his powers of appointment, i.e. not so much what he himself does, but in the 2,000+ appointments he makes to the federal bureaucracy. No single person has 2,000 friends or acquaintances he knows personally to fill those appointments, so obviously a president is dependent on other people to make recommendations.<br /> <br /> :::Then these appointments have to pass FBI background checks, i.e. the FBI has [[veto]] power over presidential appointments.<br /> <br /> :::That is precisely the problem we face today; cause [[Chris Wray]] and the FBI aren't going to grant security clearances to anyone who wants to clean up the FBI, [[DOJ]], [[CIA]] or any other [[corrupt]] apparatus of the US [[intelligence community]] and [[deep state]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:40, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> :The issue here isn't who's right and who's wrong, or who's the good guy and who's the bad guy; the issue is the [[military industrial complex]] will sell weapons to '''''both''''' sides, Christians and Muslim terrorists, to keep the fight going (but won't sell to arms competitors, like the Russians). The deep state/military industrial complex doesn't care ''who'' gets killed or how many, but rather the more the merrier for arms sales profits. <br /> <br /> I care who gets killed, the Islamic Terrorists should get killed, and the Christians should be Free. Trump did Good Work against ISIS, unlike pathetic Obama who supported them, led by his Deep State. De Santis will do 10 times Greater Things. Support and rally around him and we win! [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:30, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::[https://www.bitchute.com/video/ROKP4Xg1ggLS/ Al-Qaeda mercenaries fighting for Ukraine complain of being paid with counterfeit money]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:44, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> :And who pays for these arms? Not Ukraine or some broke third world sh*hole, but you, the US taxpayer. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:59, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :And how does the US taxpayer pay for these arms? With money borrowed from [[China]], piling on the national debt. [[FDR]] used to respond to critics of [[deficit spending]] and the [[national debt]] by saying, "We owe it to ourselves", meaning we owe it to [[Wall Street]] or American elites. Today it's a [[foreign debt]]., [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:08, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :So yah, let's expand [[NATO]] to Asia with more money borrowed from China, so we can attack China and wipe out a debt justly owed. Makes perfect sense. But do you really think the Chinese are that stupid they can't see what's going on? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:11, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Expanding NATO into Asia will relieve the US taxpayer burden. Europe will pay more of its fair share and America won't have to go it alone. Asian Countries who are prospects join NATO are already supporting the Alliance in various ways like Japan and South Korea are. Expanding NATO into Asia makes all of us stronger and the world safer. It is a win-win for everyone except Godless Commie China. We are in Cold War 2.0. Wake up, Rob! The sooner we all see it, the better for all of us. We need Raeganite Peace through Strength against the New Evil Empire of today, which is Commie China. So many problems will become better once China has a True Democratic Revolution. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:32, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now do you understand why God commanded [[Solomon]] not to multiply horses? But Solomon disobeyed, and the kingdom was destroyed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:22, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *''" Indeed, the possibility of an American-Russian Alliance - against ISIS for e.g. which still Terrorizes much of Africa - at a not too distant date is still possible."'<br /> ::Indeed, [[Vladimir Putin]] has asked for this since nearly the day he took office (after the two Chechen wars in the 1990s), but the Bush administration, Obama administration, User:Conservative, and yourself have told him to go to hell. Now it's too late. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:53, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> He should propose it to a De Santis Administration, and it will almost certainly be accepted. If that's what Putin really wants, that is.<br /> <br /> But he needs to go back to his own country first and stop trying to take Kyiv for e.g. which he unjustly attacked and had no right to do.<br /> <br /> I did not tell him to go to hell, but only to go back to Russia's own territory. Saint John the Apostle says this: "11For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters, b if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him." (1 Jn 3:11-15). Putin should see he isn't helping anyone - certainly not Christian - by attacking a 90% Christian Country like Ukraine, not to mention 60% of whom are his brother and sister Orthodox Christians. Putin has been misled by the Deep State's own Agents within the former KGB. They play both sides and they want to promote the narrative that America and Russia are Eternal Enemies. It doesn't have to be that way. America should stop promoting Woke Ideology, which Patriarch Kirill has demanded. That's where De Santis comes in; he is the Strongest Anti-Woke Candidate America has ever seen and will be the Strongest Anti-Woke President she has ever known either. But Russia also needs to do its part for peace and that is pull out, like both the US and Russia did in Afghanistan. The sooner the better. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:36, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :It's not going to happen. We need a peacemaker like [[Richard Nixon]], when the country finally gets tired of endless wars. But you yourself are out there cheerleading for more war. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:47, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :(ec) And as noted above, a president needs diplomats and advisors to make peace, who can't get past FBI vetoes on their security clearances cause the [[military industrial complex]] controls (or is one big component of) the [[Deep state]], which controls the FBI. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:52, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Bwahahahaha! Nixon! Pathetic, Commie-appeasing, bootlicking Nixon. Watch the video I shared below, somewhere around 2-3 mins I think. Nixon was pathetic and totally messed it up. he had the opportunity of a lifetime to bring Russia closer to the West and totally blew it.<br /> <br /> Nixon is the Exact Opposite of someone we need. It is De Santis, the Raeganite minded Conservative of today. De Santis, I tell you! I'msure of it. Russia will love him because he is Anti-Woke. It's that simple. That includes Russian Christians and the Russian Church. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:55, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, Nixon should've nuked em, huh? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:56, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Deccan Herald: US House Committee recommends adding India to NATO Plus ===<br /> <br /> Yup, this is the Way Forward. A Joint US-India Alliance and expanding NATO to include India and other Asian Countries Allied to America. The Commie CCP's Worst Fear of all.<br /> <br /> "NATO Plus, currently NATO Plus 5, is a security arrangement that brings together NATO and five aligned nations - Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Israel, and South Korea - to boost global defence cooperation.<br /> <br /> Bringing India on board would facilitate seamless intelligence sharing between these countries and India would access the latest military technology without much of a time lag.<br /> <br /> The House Select Committee on the Strategic Competition between the United States and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), led by Chairman Mike Gallagher and Ranking Member Raja Krishnamoorthi, overwhelmingly adopted a policy proposal to enhance Taiwan's deterrence, including through strengthening NATO Plus to include India."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.deccanherald.com/india/china-select-committee-of-us-house-recommends-making-india-part-of-nato-plus-1222340.html [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 04:06, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now you see why the country is in such trouble - we have such incompetent leadership, even on the GOP side. And the GOP leaders have no excuse. You can't say they are just lying for [[propaganda]] purposes; no, they are just stupid and incompetent. Not only do they not have a clue about what is happening in the world, they don't understand how the world works in the first place. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:21, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Before you go off on this rah-rah NATO spiel, as a young person you need to understand a few things. For NATO to continue to exist, it needs a bogeyman. Whoever the role of bogeyman gets assigned to, that means an [[arms race]]. An arms race, in economic terms, means you have to pay for it throughout your lifetime with higher taxes, higher inflation, and less economic opportunities for yourself for educational, employment opportunities, or starting a business (cause the nation has other priorities than your private interests). Then, when push comes to shove, you see all the sacrifices you paid for advanced arms were wasted, cause all your expensive weapons don't work and are burning up in a field somewhere like Ukraine (or worse yet, are just abandoned to our enemies cause our military and political leaders knew all along they are worthless, like in Afghanistan). Then those weapons need to be replaced. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.<br /> <br /> :So, be a little more skeptical of propaganda sources before you bite off info about who the next Hitler, or who the next Reagan is (heck, I remember when Reagan was Hitler). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:08, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> '''''Breaking:'' [https://youtu.be/zqn14Xw7JE8 According to this guy,]''' who uses four sources, India is hooking up with Russia, China, Iran, and Belarus to oppose NATO & the US. <br /> <br /> Interesting term he invents here: NATO = the [[Axis of Good]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:33, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :'''''Bloomberg:''''' "China’s defense minister vowed to '''[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-15/china-defense-minister-excludes-us-in-vow-to-widen-military-ties#xj4y7vzkg strengthen military ties with a string of countries around the world, while excluding''' from that list the Asian nation’s biggest economic and geopolitical rival, '''the United States."''']<br /> <br /> :Translation: If Germany, the UK, and France (plus Italy, Canada or whoever else) wants to deepen [[economic]] and [[military]] ties (remember, military alliances are created to defend economic trading blocs) with China, they would have to leave NATO. And the entire NATO bloc's prosperity over the past 20-30 years has been built on (1) Russian energy, and (2) cheap Chinese manufactured goods. So it looks like people living in the NATO bloc outside the US have some tuff choices ahead, as they sink into despair and poverty as a result of American leadership and their relations with the United States. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:54, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === The Wire: The Siege on Manipur: Hindu Nationalists' War for Supremacy in India ===<br /> <br /> Pray for India. Modi's BJP Party must lose in May 2024 and Rahul Gandhiji must become Indian Prime Minister. That's the only way this horrible Hindutva Terrorism against Christians ends. https://thewire.in/communalism/siege-on-manipur-hindu-nationalists-war-for-ethnic-supremacy<br /> <br /> "Nazi imagination and practices of grotesque brutality are formative to Hindu nationalism. “Volksgemeinschaft” or national community was, for Nazis, the ideal society to be achieved through mass movement, statecraft, thieving, violence, race experiments, and Holocaust. The “Other” was its target.<br /> <br /> M.S. Golwalkar, an early ideologue of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), professed deep admiration for the Nazis. An inspiration to Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Golwalkar, noted: “To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic Races – the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here.” Golwalkar continued that non-Hindus in India “may stay in the country, wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation, claiming nothing, deserving no privileges… not even citizen’s rights”. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:08, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> CBN News explains: "Religious freedom experts blame India’s government for religious violence." https://youtu.be/TYDdKdLs__k [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:09, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> : I don't understand; why do you keep pushing the Ukrainian ''Volksgemeinschaft'' here? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:29, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> [[File:National Militia.PNG|right|300px|thumb|[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE6b4ao8gAQ Ukraine: On patrol with the far-right National Militia], Jonah Fisher reports, ''BBC Newsnight'', April 4, 2018.] ]] <br /> Not the topic. India's RSS is influenced by Savarkar, Golwalkar mentioned above and their Neo-Nazi Ideology that explicitly idolizes that Thug Hitler. India's Poor Christians are suffering under this travesty right now. If you cared for them, you'd at least pray for them, and try to help and support in any way you could e.g. by writing articles drawing attention to it, or material and financial support either directly to Indian Christians or to Christian Organizations like Open Doors that helps Persecuted Christians in India. Let's do that. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 23:33, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I still don't understand. Why do support Ukrainian Neo-Nazi Thugs and oppose the anti-fascist Putin, yet ask us to support antifascism in India and oppose Neo-Nazi Thugs in India? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:56, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Please don't draw false and unwarranted comparisons. Modi is brutally killing and persecuting Christians in India and you are saying this. Putin invaded Ukraine and tried to take Kyiv. There is no comparison. Modi is brutally persecuting harmless and peaceful Christians praying and worshipping in our Churches. I am an Indian Christian and I stand with fellow Persecuted Indian Christians. Updated the Persecution of Christians article: https://www.conservapedia.com/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_World_Today#Siege_on_Manipur:_Hindu_Nationalists.27_War_for_Ethnic_Supremacy [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 00:11, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :No I'm not. "Putin...tried to take Kyiv" is a blatant lie from MSM propaganda. Putin entered Ukraine to "denazify" it. Period. I don't understand the argument of supporting Ukrainian Nazi Thugs while opposing Indian Nazi Thugs.<br /> <br /> :Here is the problem that you have created for yourself: your use of Western media propaganda and lies now doesn't carry much weight trying to help Westerners understand the problems Christians face in India. So if you want help, you can begin right there. <br /> <br /> :And no, I regard [[CBN]] as cow-towing to globalism and deep state propaganda (probably to keep its [[FCC]] licenses). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:36, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> No, you are complicit in and guilty of Modi's Crimes against Christians if you refuse to condemn them. Every Serious Christian anywhere he lives is Gravely Guilty of Complicity in Modi's Crimes if he refuses to condemn them and at least pray for brother and sister Suffering Christians, if not to materially help them. Whatever you think of the Russia-Ukraine War, Modi's Persecution of Christians are Mortal Sins on his part, as is anyone supporting them, especially someone claiming to be Christian and then supporting him.<br /> <br /> Putin's attempt to take Kyiv is a Fact of History, despite your trying to Whitewash it: "Russia’s failure to take down Kyiv was a defeat for the ages" https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-battle-for-kyiv-dc559574ce9f6683668fa221af2d5340<br /> <br /> I oppose Putin also because his actions have caused Millions of Ukrainians, most of whom are Christians, to suffer external and internal displacement because of his unjust War. But Modi's Evil Actions in relative peace-time are something else altogether. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:30, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Putin deceives some people because he claims to be Christian - thus many cannot see that his actions, which have led to some 10 MN Ukrainians, most of whom are Christians, suffering, are in fact Anti-Christian, and favor the Radical Islamists, of whom Putin is a careless dupe. But Modi's Anti-Christian Actions should be clear and plain for all the world to see. They are of Anti-Christ, period. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:35, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :(ec) I only have a vague outline of the events in Manipur from a few sources I haven't been able to get to yet (as another CP editor has been trolling me relentlessly for weeks and has eaten into much of my time). But your use of the term "Nazi Thugs" while excusing Ukrainian Nazi Thugs gives me pause. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:36, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Here is [https://www.bitchute.com/video/4UCV94iIMzq5/ an example of the Ukrainian ''Volksgemeinshaft'']. Gimme something similar, if you can. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:41, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Let me expand on this: The sources I have collected from India (which I haven't been able to get to yet cause of trolling) are qualified; I will not accept MSNBC or any other MSM BS at face value (in fact, I'll probably deliberately ignore it). The link I provided shows a law passed by the US-backed fascist Kyiv regime, that requires all commercial transactions in Ukraine, even between native Russian speakers, to be conducted in the Ukrainian dialect. Imagine, a law in Canada - in Quebec or Montreal - requiring all transactions between native French speakers (many who do not understand English) to be conducted in English at the threat of arrest. And that's exactly what the guy who made this video did. He gives the address and name of the business at the end of the video to report a crime to the [[Ukrainian gestapo]]. <br /> <br /> ::Now, unlike French and English, Russians and Ukrainians can understand each other for the most part (like Spanish and Portuguese). In fact, the so-called "Ukrainian dialect" is really kinda like "hillbilly English" even spoken in rural areas and villages in Russia. It's just less sophisticated, with a smaller vocabulary, than the Russian that cosmopolitan city-slickers in Moscow and St. Peterburg speak. It has to borrow from Russian words, phrases, and idioms beyond its 50,000 word vocabulary (Russian, like English, is fully developed with a 400,000 word vocabulary). So the idea or concept of a "Ukrainian language" really is based on false pretenses, of which they are trying to build a ''Gemeinshaft'' at gunpoint. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:09, August 19, 2023 (EDT).<br /> <br /> === The Wire: Elections 2024 in India entering its Most Dangerous Phase ===<br /> <br /> "[[Modi]] is too good a politician not to know the value of such gestures, so his profound silence has to be traced to other, more pressing concerns. The only one that springs to mind is his growing fear that, with opposition unity solidifying from month to month, the BJP is in danger of losing the 2024 Lok Sabha elections. So he has gone back to the one antidote with which he is familiar, and which worked unfailingly in Gujarat, and in the 2019 Lok Sabha elections. This is stirring up hatred of Muslims and other minorities in the Hindu majority. He did not plan the Manipur violence, but these played into his hands just as the Pulwama attack had done four years ago. It is against this background that one needs to examine the riots that broke out in Nuh.<br /> <br /> How dangerously irresponsible Prime Minister Modi’s behaviour is can be judged by comparing it with that of his predecessor Atal Behari Vajpayee. When, within months of the NDA coming to power in 1998, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and the Bajrang Dal raised a hue and cry against conversions to Islam and Christianity, began to attack Christian priests and nuns and vandalise churches, Vajpayee sharply criticised their lawlessness and undertook a fast to force BJP-ruled state governments to take stern action. When cadres of the Bajrang Dal set fire to the car in which [[Graham Staines]], an Australian Christian missionary, and his two sons were sleeping outside a church in Odisha, and burned them alive, he took immediate action. Mass arrests followed, and in less than four years, Dara Singh, the main culprit was in prison, sentenced to death, while his accomplices received lesser sentences.<br /> <br /> When the VHP began another campaign against the conversion of tribals to Christianity in the Dang district of Gujarat, Vajpayee pushed the state government to end it forthwith. He also called a conclave of the BJP’s coalition partners and set up a National Coordination Committee headed by George Fernandes as a counterweight to the RSS within his government. That balancing act gave India one of the best governments it has had since Independence.<br /> <br /> When the Gujarat riots began on February 28, 2002, after repeatedly failing to contact Modi on the phone, Vajpayee sent defence minister Fernandes to Ahmedabad to call in the army to end the violence. When he visited Ahmedabad a month later, he openly criticised Modi at the Shahpur refugee camp stating, “Main yahan lashe ginane nahi aaya hoon. Aman kayam rakhna rajneetik neta aur adhikariyon ka zimmedari hai. (I have not come here to count the corpses. It is the responsibility of the political leaders and officials to maintain peace.)”<br /> <br /> From: https://thewire.in/politics/elections-2024-india-most-dangerous-phase<br /> <br /> Graham Staines in red. No article on him yet for Conservapedia? Almost incredible. Edit: Added now. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:33, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Video from China Uncensored: How long till China betrays Russia ==<br /> <br /> This Video mentions the Open Secret that China has never cared for Russia and is probably soon going to betray it. It is a pity Vladimir Putin thinks Godless Communist China can ever be trusted to be Russia's Friend.<br /> <br /> https://youtu.be/_k_GMnVrYeU [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:50, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :It won't happen until China and Russia break the back of US domination, first. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:53, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Watch the video please. It explains Nixon and Kissinger totally messed it up. Worst incompetents ever, or acting on orders from the Deep State. We need someone to take the Deep State down. De Santis is the Best and Logical Choice. He also understands the Evil Empire is China, not Russia. Down with Commie China's CCP!!! [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:56, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> See between 3-4 mins where Commie Thug Geng Biao gives the Game and the Secret Away: "We allowed Nixon's Visit, not in the least because of positive feelings toward the US. WE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SOVIET-US CONFLICT". Wake up, America! [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:59, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Deep State took Nixon down. It would be easy to say cause he tried to make peace with Russia and China, but that isn't half the story. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:31, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Visual Politics EN: What Do Military Simulations Show About Taiwan? ===<br /> <br /> "What would happen if Beijing ultimately decides to invade Taiwan? Would the island be able to withstand the attack by the People's Republic of China? What role could the United States play? Would the U.S. military be able to withstand the Chinese onslaught? In this video we tell you all the details."<br /> <br /> https://youtu.be/B17LzRNesvg [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:35, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :For serious students, this is classic [[propaganda]]. The headline should read, "What would happen if China ultimately decides to invade itself?" [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 10:31, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === "Branded" - Christian Movie on Persecution of Christians under the CCP ===<br /> <br /> "Li Chenxi has attended gatherings and read the Bible with her parents since she was little. In 1988 at just 13 years old, she's arrested while attending a gathering, then locked up in a small, dark room for one day and two nights. From then on, the CCP never stops persecuting her. She's once again arrested by the police at 17 for sending books of God's words to other brothers and sisters in the church. In an effort to force her to reveal the source of the books, the police brutally beat her father right in front of her, and parade her through the streets labeled as a "political prisoner." In 1996, the police come to arrest Li Chenxi once again. She has no choice but to flee her hometown and begin the life of a fugitive. The CCP police's frequent harassment and intimidation leaves her entire family living in a constant state of terror. Unable to withstand the long-term stress and fear, her mother has a mental breakdown, and her father, who already suffered from health problems, sees his condition deteriorate even further because of the police's brutal beating. A once-happy family is thus torn apart. While on the run, Li Chenxi joins brothers and sisters in spreading the gospel all over the country. They suffer under the CCP's reign of terror, suppressed and arrested time and time again. Some brothers and sisters are arrested and then savagely tortured. Some are beaten to death, and some are given prison sentences of more than 10 years. In late 2012, Li Chenxi is arrested once again while sharing the gospel and undergoes four long months of interrogations, attempts to extort confessions, and brainwashing."<br /> <br /> From: https://youtu.be/WF-eQwccT1c [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:37, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Russia expresses Appreciation for Catholic Church's Efforts under Pope Francis to Promote Peace ==<br /> <br /> Nice to see. What I love about the Catholic Church is She is Truly Universal. She is Asian, African, European and American, and Australian. She is all things to all people, as Christ commanded us to be. And now Russia appreciates the Vatican's Efforts to Promote Peace. Let's hope Peace breaks out soon in these calamitous times:<br /> <br /> #Russia expresses appreciation for Vatican's efforts to help with situation in #Ukraine<br /> <br /> Comment in link: "Lord give us mercy and end the war in Ukraine and other conflicts around the world 🙏"<br /> <br /> https://youtu.be/8BfTFP_RtFA [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:04, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, did you see Zelensky just had the Satanic Nazi [[Azov Battalion]] take over the [[Kiev Pechersk Lavra]] last week? You'll probably have trouble finding sources in English. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:36, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Machine translation: [https://www.politnavigator.net/kievo-pecherskuyu-lavru-zaselyat-boevikami-azova.html Kyiv-Pechersk Lavra will be populated by Azov militants], with a photo of the Nazi thugs lined up outside the monastery where St. Ceril translated the bible and is buried. <br /> :The article itself is difficult reading cause it has a tone of resignation about many facts it assumes the reader is familiar with. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:47, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Jackson Hinkle: [https://youtu.be/rqdE2AV_ccc Ukraine ARRESTS Christians For Praying At Monastery]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:53, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :German Chancellor [[Olaf Scholz]] claims [https://youtu.be/h4hGqoZj73U those seeking peace in Ukraine are the black angels coming straight from hell.] Hmmm, does this mean [[Pope Francis]] is coming straight out of hell? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:30, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Will he or won't he? Trump "tempted" to attend the First GOP Presidential Debate ==<br /> <br /> He should. "Former President Donald Trump has not decided whether or not he will attend the first Republican presidential debate. NBC News Correspondent Garrett Haake reports the latest from Trump’s campaign."<br /> <br /> https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-is-tempted-to-attend-the-first-gop-presidential-debate-190806085695 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 23:31, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, so now we're depending on [[NBC News]] for reporting on Trump. Have they fired [[Ken Delanian]] or any of the other [[CIA]] [[troll]]s on the payroll yet? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:47, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Nope, not depending on them, and don't know the answer to your question. The issue here for Conservatives is whether Trump will show up or not. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:00, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The issue for [[conservative]]s is how much of anything they can believe coming from NBC News. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:20, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :NBC News does not provide information or news - they sell a product - in the same way [[Anheuser-Busch]] sells Bud Lite, Mattel Toys the [https://www.bitchute.com/video/FMBCWF5uqGJl/ Transgender Barbie], or [[Disney]] sells [[pedophilia]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:22, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Do you think Trump will show up for the Debate or not? [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:39, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :If his poll numbers rise after the latest indictments, probably not; it they remain flat or suffer, then yah he'll show up. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:13, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Fair Enough. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 07:52, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Trump confirms his intellectually lazy plan to skip the Debate===<br /> <br /> Well, there you go: "Former President Donald Trump on Friday announced he would skip Wednesday’s first Republican presidential debate in favor of a one-on-one interview with a friendly right-wing commentator – the second time in as many days that he backed out of an event that spelled trouble for his multiple and overlapping criminal defense strategies."<br /> <br /> https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2023-08-18/trump-backtracks-on-debate-blockbuster-press-conference [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:54, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> If Trump was confident he could handle and even parry attacks on his record, he would have showed up and answered questions. De Santis will. Trump and De Santis are the only serious contenders in this thing, and with Trump awoling, De Santis has an opening. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:56, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The RNC has allowed a proxy, [[Byron Donalds]], to sit in, last I heard.<br /> <br /> :And the ratings review of Tucker's simultaneous interview with Trump measured against FOX ratings wil tell the tale (not just of Trump, but the future of cable TV "news" vs. [[social media]]. This will affect advertising rates for years to come). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:30, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> "What’s Next: A big debate … without Donald Trump.<br /> Mr. DeSantis faces the biggest test of his campaign on Wednesday: the first Republican presidential primary debate of the 2024 race, in Milwaukee.<br /> <br /> Mr. Trump appears to be skipping the debate, handing Mr. DeSantis an opportunity to take the spotlight. From: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/20/us/politics/desantis-stump-speech.html<br /> <br /> Governor De Santis has a Great Opportunity to control the narrative and focus on his record, his policies and the issues in the Debate. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 02:22, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :''NYT'': "handing Mr. DeSantis an opportunity to take the spotlight". Lol.<br /> <br /> :C'mon, I had hoped to use this page to conduct a seminar on how to spot [[propaganda]], not spread more of it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:33, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now why would NYT say that since Ramaswamy has been burying DeSantis? Doesn't the NYT read its own news? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:35, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> The article continues: "But the former president’s absence also means Mr. DeSantis, as the stand-in front-runner, will most likely come under withering fire from rival candidates. How he handles those attacks could define his image in the eyes of many voters tuning into the primary race for the first time." so it's hardly favorable or friendly to De Santis. It's just reporting on the State of the Race as it sees it. It was Trump's Choice not to show up. That creates both Opportunities and Threats for Governor De Santis, who'll be Centre Stage. at the Debate now since he's the leading contender among Actual Debaters. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 02:46, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :"the stand-in front-runner" at 5%, but Ramaswamy with 13% can kiss off cause he's Indian. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:44, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :"DeSantis faces the biggest test of his campaign on Wednesday"; DeSantis is looking more and more like [[Kamala]]. She had all big money endorsements and personnel of the [[DNC]] establishment, including [[Marc Elias]], [[Christopher Steele]]'s paymaster, as General Counsel. She dropped out in December before the January primaries started. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:05, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> For someone who claims near-personal-infallibility in being able to filter through the MSM propaganda, Rob, you could do a better job at it! The Liberal Media is now pushing the Narrative that Ron De Santis cannot win. That's obvious. Very obvious. Meanwhile, here are facts.<br /> <br /> "The NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll released early Monday found that 42 percent of likely Republican caucus attendees in Iowa listed Trump as their first choice, giving the former president a 23-point lead over DeSantis, who was picked by 19 percent ...<br /> <br /> Republican Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.) came in third place with 9 percent support in the new survey, followed by former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley and former Vice President Mike Pence, who each received 6 percent. Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie received 5 percent support, conservative entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy received 4 percent, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum received 2 percent and former Rep. Will Hurd received 1 percent. No other candidate received more than 1 percent support."<br /> <br /> So first point (1) Trump is the Clear Front-Runner at 42 % and De Santis is the Clear 2nd Front-Runner after Trump around 20%. Ramaswamy whom you mentioned meanwhile is at 4%, behind Sen. Tim Scott, Nikki Haley and Christie though above the rest like Doug Burgum and Will Hurd.<br /> <br /> Next, (2) De Santis is still being actively considered by exactly 22% of other GOP Voters, which means he could break even with Trump.<br /> <br /> From: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4162034-trump-holds-23-point-lead-over-desantis-among-iowa-republican-caucusgoers-survey/<br /> <br /> "Twenty percent of likely GOP caucus goers listed DeSantis as their second choice, with an additional 22 percent saying they were still actively considering the Florida governor." This would happen gradually as the field winnows and other candidates drop out. De Santis is not going anywhere. There's a very good chance he'll continue to be 20%+ while multiple candidates remain then move to 30-40% after that. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 09:06, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :"NBC News poll". Lol.<br /> <br /> :Iowa, where all the money is being spent. Nationally Trump is at 60% and DeSantis 3rd at 5%. And the debate ''is not'' in Iowa. IOWs, the debate is about national issues, not Iowa farm issues. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:11, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You yourself just said Trump is the clear frontrunner with 42% in Iowa; no, I would disagree. Trump is the "clear frontrunner" nationally with 60%, but in Iowa, if Trump were to step in doggie doo-doo and lose 1%, and all 22% "thinking" about DeSantis switched, DeSantis would win. In theory Trump is "catchable" in Iowa, but nationally he's the clear choice. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:20, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Lol. There is no National Primary. The First Primary is the Iowa Primary and there Evangelical Christians are Dominant. Pro-Life, Anti-Woke Governor Ron De Santis is clearly the Conservative Christian Candidate of Choice.<br /> <br /> Next, it's even better than I thought. Note the wording carefully: "Twenty percent of likely GOP caucus goers listed DeSantis as their second choice, with an additional 22 percent saying they were still actively considering the Florida governor."<br /> <br /> So, (1) 19% support De Santis as first choice (2) 20% listed De Santis as second choice (3) AN ADDITIONAL 22 % say they are still actively considering the Florida governor. Can we put it all together and tally it? That means De Santis could win 19+20+22= a whopping 61%!!!<br /> <br /> That's Amazing! And that's the Reality of Conservative Governor Ron De Santis' Amazing Popularity with the Base the Press is hiding. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 09:30, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :No, you can't. You can't make their 2nd choice their first choice. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:33, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWs, the 22% are the undecideds. The 20% are committed. To make a leap in logic like you propose you need an entirely new alleged "scientific" poll. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:35, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Here's a simple mathematical and scientific formula you can use as a rule of thumb: NBC + NYT = BS. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:39, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Reminder: In Dec 2022, Governor Ron De Santis was CRUSHING Trump by 23 Points ==<br /> <br /> "In a new poll regarding potential Republican nominees for president in 2024, the Florida governor, Ron DeSantis, led Donald Trump by 23 points." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/14/first-thing-ron-desantis-takes-huge-lead-over-trump-in-republican-poll<br /> <br /> The only reason De Santis' measurable support declined a bit is because (1) De Santis was too focused on the Actual Hard Work of Governing rather than enjoying himself doing nothing or just campaigning - you know, like Trump raising the Debt by 8 TN Dollars, while De Santis ran Record Budget Surpluses - that Governing. (2) And because, the Press started their fake narrative that De Santis could not win. And also (3) because Trump attacked De Santis, but De Santis mistakenly didn't Punch Back (later he did) initially. I'd have advised him to.<br /> <br /> Just wait and watch. Let the Debates pass and let's see how the candidates do. By Dec 2023, De Santis could well be leading again. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 09:38, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Yep. It shows the [[corruption]], influence, and [[brainwashing]] big money can bring into the alleged "democratic" process. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:41, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Nope, that was his Excellent Record delivering Budget Surpluses, fighting the Woke Left, being Pro-Life, Anti-Fauci, Pro-Freedom etc that did that. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 10:04, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :And it's all been downhill since. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:15, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Bombshell Breaking: Two Constitutional scholars say Trump disqualified in 2024 race ==<br /> <br /> Not a constitutional expert myself, so I'll pass. But if Trump does actually become disqualified, well, then De Santis breaks 50% easily.<br /> <br /> https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/08/20/sotu-luttig-tribe-full.cnn [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 10:03, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Not even worth commenting on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:16, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, and who exactly is going to "disqualify" Trump? The Supreme Court? The Biden regime? the divided Congress? the CIA? [[Christopher Wray]] and the FBI? the [[United Nations]]? the [[World Court]]? the MSM? the [[Deep State]]? Who? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:20, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Lemme guess: some Mickey Mouse [[Soros mercenary]] [[DA]] can thwart the will of 70+ million voters by filing charges in local court. This is why American [[democracy]] is a model for [[Ukraine]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:25, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Let's revise our formula: CNN + NBC + NYT = BS(3). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:27, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> I do not know if it will happen or not. All I know is De Santis can beat Trump and do well regardless of whether this happens. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:00, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :That's what you, the big money [[Wall Street]] Republican [[establishment]], [[Deep State]] [[uniparty]], [[WEF]] [[globalist]]s and their controlled media believe. Common folk think different. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:15, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Common Folk gave Governor De Santis a 23 POINT LEAD over Donald Duck just a few months ago. Then Donald began his vicious attacks on the saintly Governor. Too bad the Governor was too much of a Gentleman to Punch Back for a Long Time, I'd have advised him to start doing so right away, otherwise precisely what has happened would happen. But it doesn't matter. Their record speaks for itself. One increases debt by 8 TN. One runs Record Budget Surpluses. One risks everything to join the Navy and Serve the Country. One runs away from the Draft and calls his battle with STDs while living in fornication his own personal Vietnam. Other is a model Husband and Father who faithfully fought for his wife and stood by her when she had Breast Cancer and her children couldn't understand what was going on. No prizes for guessing which is which and who will be better for America in the end.[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:31, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Big money donors, rigged polling, and the MSM gave him that supposed lead. What are you saying? are the common folk who have since seen the light stupid?<br /> :Bottomline, Trump was not a declared candidate at the time of that poll. DeSantis was. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:51, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if DeSantis went to 52% after announcing, that would have been something to write home about. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:58, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Nope. Trump was: "After months of speculation, Trump announced his candidacy for president in a November 15, 2022 speech to supporters at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida." The poll was in December 2022, so after this. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:52, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> And De Santis certainly wasn't a Declared Candidate at that time, since he only declared his Candidacy in May 2023 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:53, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :My bad. You're probably right. It goes to show you how far the deep state conspiracy against Trump had progressed already by December 2022. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:18, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Lol. The Deep State, and the Liberal Media that does its will, want Trump back since they can beat him, whereas De Santis will beat them. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:23, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Fourteenth Amendment (1868) says, "No person shall be...President...who, having previously taken an oath...to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."<br /> <br /> :This clause refers to people who served in elected office before the Civil War, then in elected office under the Confederacy, and then wanted to run for election after the Union was restored. In general, former Confederates were amnestied in 1872. A disqualification of this kind can only be enforced by the secretaries of state for the various states.<br /> <br /> :January 6 was a demonstration protected by the First Amendment. The only way the 14th Amendment applies is if "insurrection" is interpreted to mean "something the Democratic Party doesn't like."<br /> <br /> :This theory has been hashed over in the press more than once already. I would not call it a "bombshell." That it comes up again suggests that the MSN is once again worried that Trump can actually beat Biden in an election. In short, their fallback position is legalistic handwaving. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:46, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == CNBC: Trump holds big lead in new Iowa poll, but DeSantis and Scott see paths to victory ==<br /> <br /> "KEY POINTS<br /> <br /> Former President Donald Trump holds a double-digit lead over Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in a major new poll of likely Republican caucusgoers in Iowa.But the Des Moines Register/NBC News/Mediacom poll also found that a majority of respondents were still undecided as to who they will support, leaving a door open for Trump’s rivals.The poll was released days before the first Republican primary debate and the same week Trump is required to surrender to authorities in Georgia, where he faces more than dozen felony counts ...<br /> <br /> But Trump’s advantage is still not ironclad, according to the joint survey conducted by the Des Moines Register, NBC News and Mediacom. Fully 52% of respondents said they had not yet decided who they would support, while 40% said they were certain."<br /> <br /> https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/21/trump-leads-desantis-in-iowa-poll-ahead-of-first-republican-debate.html [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:41, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Fox: DeSantis campaign boasts endorsements, latest poll numbers as signs of momentum in Iowa ===<br /> <br /> De Santis is doing extremely well in Iowa, despite the Fake News Media trying to create a Fake Narrative to the contrary. The below proves it.<br /> <br /> "Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has received a historic 40 endorsements from Iowa state legislators, his campaign says<br /> <br /> Republican presidential candidate Ron DeSantis' campaign is boasting of endorsements and the latest poll numbers as signaling growing ground support in Iowa. <br /> <br /> DeSantis’ team said he’s received a historic 40 endorsements from state legislators and has a total of 120 county-level chairs supporting him – at least one in each of the state’s 99 counties. That’s the most of any candidate in the race, DeSantis campaign spokeswoman Carly Atchison told Fox News Digital. <br /> <br /> The Florida governor — just months away from Iowa caucus day — also has more than 10,000 Iowans committed to caucus for him, representing one-fifth of the total Iowans who caucused for former presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, when Cruz won the Iowa caucuses in 2016 ...<br /> <br /> Despite having more than $20 million spent against him, DeSantis is still viewed as favorable by two-thirds of likely caucus-goers, the highest favorability of any candidate in the field, according to a new Des Moines Register/NBC News/Mediacom Iowa Poll of 406 likely Republican caucus-goers conducted Aug. 13-17 ...<br /> <br /> The Des Moines Register poll shows 66% of respondents viewed DeSantis favorably, compared to 29% who saw him as unfavorable. This was ahead of the current frontrunner, former President Donald Trump, who was viewed as favorable by 65% of respondents. <br /> <br /> DeSantis is also the first choice, second choice or being actively considered by 61% of likely caucus-goers, just slightly behind the 63% of respondents who said the same for Trump. No other candidate has broken out of single digits."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/desantis-campaign-boasts-endorsements-latest-poll-numbers-sign-momentum-iowa [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:44, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Polish Army soon to be the strongest in Europe ==<br /> <br /> "Polish Army getting ready for any confrontation against Wagner! Polish Army will soon be the strongest in Europe! <br /> 500+ HIMARS<br /> 600 heavy artillery<br /> 1000 K2 tanks<br /> 96 apaches <br /> 32 F-35’s<br /> 48 light combat aircraft <br /> (#UkraineRussianWar️ #Poland" From Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/JamesPower91/status/1690681947360477184<br /> <br /> See also: "Poles have been on quite the buying spree including 366 Abrams, 32 F-35 fighters. From Korea: 180 K2 Black Panther tanks, 200 K9 howitzers, 48 FA-50 light attack aircraft, and 218 K239 rocket launchers with more many to come by decade's end. Belarus should be very careful :)" https://twitter.com/UkraineDiary/status/1693712502553473420 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:58, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Yep. And what a tragedy that is. The Polish adult male population (aged 15 on up) are the next to be targeted for extermination as cannon fodder in the NATO trained and equipped meatgrinders. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:13, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Wake up and smell the bleach. Reporting that Poland is going to replace Ukraine as Europe's strongest NATO proxy is an admission Ukraine got its butt kicked and was defeated with NATO training and equipment. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:15, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> "he could analyze the position of the Catholic bishops of Ukraine. He instead considers Ukrainians only as an object of manipulations by western globalists and that is offensive to us. Our country is not just a battlefield between the United States and Russia, it is a sovereign country with a population of about 40 million people with one of the biggest areas in Europe. And it is our country that was attacked by Russia, and it is our army that spends a war for the freedom of our people." https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/interview-priest-society-saint-josaphat-war-ukraine-73867<br /> <br /> Poland and NATO are going to win. Its over for the Kremlin. This or that skirmish aside, that will be the long term result.<br /> <br /> The numbers, the results, the weapons, the relative population and gdp of Russia and NATO etc leave little doubt about that conclusion.[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:26, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Ukraine lost its sovereignty. It's owned by [[BlackRock]] now. Only BlackRock will have to negotiate with Putin (through the [[US State Department]] or whatever intermediary) for what the borders of the [[rump state]] will be, only NATO will not be there to defend it after the negotiations and agreement are finalized. My guess is, BlackRock may wish to liquidate their holdings at a loss eventually. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:33, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :'''Poland update''' (elections in October): [https://korybko.substack.com/p/polands-ruling-party-is-panicking? Poland’s Ruling Party Is Panicking After A Rural Populist Just Allied With The Opposition]. [[NATO]]-backed warmongers may be on their way out, if you can trust [[democracy]] and [[globalist]]s haven't rigged Poland's elections. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:07, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> In Britain, both Ruling Party and Opposition are Pro-Ukraine. In Poland, have you checked how it is? I haven't, so might check later, but I suspect it could be the same. It is Russia/the Kremlin that wants to steal Ukraine's Sovereignty. Ukraine is caught between "the devil and the deep blue sea", between "a rock and a hard place" as the sayings go. It will need NATO and EU support, as well as of private enterprises to rebuild its economy which Russia destroyed. But it remains a Sovereign Nation with a Wartime President whom some 90% of its citizens support, as I posted down below. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:10, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Too bad the UK is not a [[democracy]], huh? It's just another [[totalitarian]] [[globalist]] slave state with a controlled media, worse than Canada or the US, about to face more covid [[lockdown]]s, mask mandates, and [[vaccine mandate]]s. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:59, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :[https://www.gbnews.com/news/watch-outrage-as-woman-praying-silently-is-arrested-in-uk-street-taken-away-by-police-for-a-thoughtcrime/411506 Christian woman arrested for praying in her head outside UK abortion clinic]. This would never happen in Putin's Russia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:03, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Right now, we need to focus on denazifying the [[White House]]. And DeSantis is in bed with the [[globalist]] money donors who support the [[Deep State]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:12, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> I'm aware of that UK Incident, and I posted it here on Conservapedia and condemned it. It would never happen in De Santis' America either, yet you are unwilling to help do your part to make that happen, thus letting down your Christian brothers and sisters and handing them to the Woke Mob. Only De Santis is a Credible Culture Warrior and Conservative Christian Candidate who can beat the WOKE Pro-Abort/LGBT Left. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:19, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Poll: 95% of Ukrainians trust Military, nearly 90% want to join NATO ==<br /> <br /> "Some 95% of Ukrainians trust the Armed Forces of Ukraine and 80% trust President Volodymyr Zelensky, according to the poll published on June 30 by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) and the National Democratic Institute (NDI).<br /> <br /> Up to 94% of respondents said it is important to have a fully functioning democracy, which is a significant increase compared to 76% in December 2021." https://kyivindependent.com/poll-95-ukrainians-trust-military-80-trust-zelensky/<br /> <br /> See also: In February 2023, over 90 percent of the Ukrainian population approved of the activities of Volodymyr Zelenskyy as the president of the country. The approval rating was at approximately the same level as in June 2022. Zelenskyy's popularity within the country was significantly higher in 2022, when Russia invaded Ukraine, than in 2021."https://www.statista.com/statistics/1100076/volodymyr-zelensky-s-approval-rating-ukraine/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:04, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, the [[Kyiv Independent]], you mean the CIA/[[NED]] mouthpiece. That's nice to know. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:13, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :What this propaganda piece means is, after the civilian [[Zelensky regime]] collapses in another month or so and Zelensky flees, Gen. [[Zaluzhnyi]] or Syrsky takes over as president and head of a military junta, then opens negotiations with Russia. Russia however has no reason to talk, and will demand all NATO advisors leave and NATO arms shipments cease before any peace negotiations begin. So follow the status of Biden's $24 billion request in Congress, cause that must stop right there first before there can be any peace talks. <br /> <br /> :As to this Article 5 stuff in the ''Politico'' piece below, forget it. It's NATO trying to cover its butt after its defeat and disaster. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:52, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Politico Opinion Piece - 3 Ways the Ukraine War could end===<br /> {|class="infobox" style="float:right; font-size:85%; width:1ex; line-height:17px; margin: 0px 0px 5px 50px" cellpadding="1"<br /> |[[File:As long as it takes.PNG|310px]]<br /> |[[File:Ukraine as long as it takes.PNG|320px]]<br /> |-<br /> |colspan="3"|<hr/>Yah yah yah we've heard all this bs before and know the endgame. 'Fool me once, shame on you...'<br /> |-<br /> |colspan="3"|<hr/><br /> |}<br /> Point 3 is that the War could conceivably end, with part of Ukraine joining NATO, at the July 2024 NATO Summit in Washington:<br /> <br /> "Fortunately, there is a third possible way to satisfy the need for Ukrainian success and Russian failure, over which Putin would have no veto.<br /> <br /> In this scenario, the United States would give the Ukrainian military whatever it needs to advance as far as possible in its counteroffensive. At an appropriate point next year, Ukraine would declare a pause in offensive military operations and shift its primary focus to defending and rebuilding liberated areas while integrating with Western institutions. Then, at its July, 2024 summit in Washington, NATO would invite Ukraine to join the Western alliance, guaranteeing the security of all territory controlled by the Ukrainian government at that point under Article 5 of the NATO treaty.<br /> <br /> Offering Article 5 protection to Ukrainian territory in this fashion would be akin to admitting a divided Germany to NATO after World War II and to America’s security pact with South Korea after the armistice that halted the Korean War without reunifying the Korean Peninsula. This would be a defensive pact, but not a commitment to take direct part in any future offensive operations Ukraine might choose to undertake." https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/08/18/how-to-end-ukraine-war-00111752 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:17, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Yah, this news is a couple of days old. What's happening is the blame game. NATO and the US [[intel community]] want out, but don't want to be seen as the losers. So they have to blame [[Zelensky]] and [[Ukrainian]]s as cowards. Zelensky may not be that stupid, that he doesn't see the handwriting on the wall, that he's about to get dumped like the Afghan National government, the government of South Vietnam, the [[Shah of Iran]], [[Ferdinand Marcos]], Guido in Venezuela, etc etc etc etc. So you can take your "as long as it takes" rhetoric we've heard for 18 months now and stick it up your butt (as I've been warning). NATO is just trying to create some excuse to get to get the H out without being seen as the loser. <br /> :If NATO wants to grant Ukraine Article 5 status, fine. Let NATO come back itself and fight Russia, now that NATO has virtually exterminated the adult male population of Ukraine with BS promises.<br /> :When Russia set out to denazify Ukraine 18 months ago, it was fully prepared to demilitarize and denazify NATO and Western Europe, if necessary. They've only partially succeeded in demilitarizing NATO. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:52, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Biden could have sent over F-16s and ended this war a long time ago. Why didn't he? Perhaps it has something to do with the [https://nypost.com/2022/01/27/chinese-elite-have-paid-some-31m-to-hunter-and-the-bidens/ $31 million in Chinese money] or the [https://nypost.com/2022/10/17/hunter-bidens-real-estate-firm-received-over-100m-from-russian-oligarch/ $100 million in Russian money] that Hunter has collected. Like Deep Throat said, follow the money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 13:46, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::We've discussed the F-16s extensively on this page; they are not the gamechanger, and the only difference they make is raising the threat of nuclear war. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:08, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::They may send 6 over there (where they take off from remains a problem); after the first 1 or 2 are shot down, the American defense contractors will have gathered enough intelligence (presumably) about Russia's advanced air defense systems ([[S-400]], for example) and electronic warfare to integrate into the design of the [[F-35]]. That's it. After that, the war is over, and Ukraine's use as an "experimental testing ground" (Zelensky & Reznikov's words) is over. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:13, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The Russians talk about a nuclear response all the time. The most common threat these days is not about F-16s or any other specific weapons system, but rather that they will use nukes if they are losing the war. This of course suggests that the military balance has already turned against them. As we saw in Afghanistan, Biden has a thing for losing wars. Whatever terms Putin wants, I'm sure Biden would make an effort to accommodate. Just have another oligarch send an additional $100 million over to Hunter.<br /> <br /> ::::Putin to likes to win wars, Biden likes to lose them. Why can't they make a deal? The problem is that Putin isn't fighting for Crimea, Donbass, Mariupol, or any other item that Biden can accommodate him on. For Putin to stay in power, he needs endless war. If Russian forces ever reach Kyiv, they will continue to Poland or Moldova. After all, Putin is at war with Nato, not Ukraine. George Orwell explained how this works in ''Nineteen-Eighty Four.'' [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 15:31, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Russia won the war over a year ago. You've been exposed to ''waaay'' too much Western propaganda. <br /> <br /> :::::It looks like right now funding will be cut off (even Dem Ranking Members in the House admit the war is lost); the [[CIA]] wants out. The problem is NATO covering its butt, cause nobody wants to admit defeat.<br /> <br /> :::::So this means a negotiated settlement on Russia's terms, which could take place before year end, or a continued losing fight which the peoples of Europe and America don't want, and more Ukrainians exterminated by NATO & Biden regime policy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:03, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::We're at the point Hitler was at in February 1943 after the surrender at [[Stalingrad]]. The war was lost, but Hitler fought on for more than two years, causing needless deaths of millions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:07, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Put succinctly, if Congress gives Biden the $24 billion he asked for, it means more Ukrainian dead and more territory lost. Either way, the war ends now, next year in 2024, or in 2025 - the war ends on Russia's terms. <br /> <br /> :::::The American people are not ready to be mobilized for war with Russia, neither are the European after the last Ukrainian is killed. America does not have the factories to build weapons, nor does it have the trained workers to work in those factories.<br /> <br /> :::::If you want nukes as America's first line of defense since we can't build the conventional weapons, or the ships and aircraft to transport them to the battlefield, or the fuel to power them, fine. It won't defend America from nuclear attack. The only alternative is for NATO to get the H out of Ukraine, and never return. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:35, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Heh. Laughable. You are living in Dream-Land, Rob, but I will not be the one to wake you up right now. I'll let harsh reality do that later. A word to the wise, you cant' fight statistics.<br /> <br /> Will repost something I shared in the Conservapedia Debate on this: "Ukraine/NATO will win. Will explain why later as I'm busy writing other articles now.<br /> <br /> For now, just consider the GDP and Population of Russia vs NATO Respectively.<br /> <br /> NATO GDP: > 40 Trillion Dollars. Russia GDP: less than 2 Trillion Dollars.<br /> <br /> NATO Population: Around 1 Billion People: Russia Population: less than 150 MN.<br /> <br /> No contest. No contest. Russia knows this, which is why it will never invade Finland (or any NATO Country)." That says it all. Putin's Kremlin knew it had itself caused Finland and Sweden to join NATO, but it was then forced to accept it, and will not risk invading then. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:16, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Rob says Stalingrad 1943. My historical analogy is Afghanistan 1986. At that time, some traitor deputy CIA director was holding up approval for the Stinger missile. Once it was approved, the Soviet Union was history. Today, we have the same situation with Atacms, long-range HIMARS, and F-16s. The Russians know exactly who to pay off to stop delivery. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 17:31, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::(ec) The United States doesn't even manufacture [[TNT]] which is required for artillery shells.<br /> <br /> ::Democratically speaking, the majority of the population in NATO countries in Europe and North America oppose further escalation, so the 1 billion figure is meaningless. 2/3 of the planet support Russia.<br /> <br /> ::GDP numbers measured in dollars is meaningless. It's calculated by exchange rates, and takes no account of the value of resources and their reserves like oil, gold, uranium, etc which Russia is among the world's largest holders and producers (IOWs, the method of calculation is flawed; that's how NATO blundered into the war). With [[de-dollarization]], the exchange rate has no future in those calculations. <br /> <br /> ::Here's a dirty little secret that I don't have the time or space to go into why, here and now: The United States, since the beginning of the [[Cold War]], has never depended on conventional weapons as its first line of defense. The United States has always relied on [[nuclear weapon]]s for the simple fact the US could NEVER compete the with the Soviet Union then, or Russia now, in conventional arms production. It costs more to produce a tank to transport it to the battlefield in Europe cause enough ships and planes also have to be built to transport the weapons in any significant or equal numbers. And Russia can always raise the cost to the US by producing more, and delivering them to the battlefield, quicker. <br /> <br /> ::Heck, the US could never compete with German tank production, then or now, for the same reasons.<br /> <br /> ::Succinctly, the cost of building conventional weapons throughout the Cold War and until now, as it has been represented to the American taxpayer, has ALWAYS been a fraud, and is just a [[boondoggle]] to Congressional districts. The US has never relied on conventional weapons as its first line of defense, the Soviets then, and the Russians now, have always known this. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:42, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Russia went into this war in 2022 knowing the United States, even with its NATO allies, cannot win a conventional war against Russia. If nukes are to be used, it will the US decision. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:52, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The United States has always relied on its "first strike" capabilities - not a "last resort" = these scenarios using both conventional and nuclear have been gamed out routinely on both sides for many years. And they have been openly discussed in arms control talks. Since about 2013, the same nitwits who came up with idea of overthrowing the Ukraine government, have advanced the US doctrine of "[[nuclear primacy]]", i.e that the US can do a first strike and survive, or at least a 150 million Americans may survive. Of course, nobody really knows, given the total incompetence of US intellig3nce in gauging Russian military strength. <br /> <br /> : That's an eternal problem in US intelligence: they always have to decide what they should tell policymakers - what they actually know or what the decision makers want to hear. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:18, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::I never knew the full story of......how the Soviets won the Cold War. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:46, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::It's simple logistics. In WWII, the Germans and Soviets were in competition to build bigger, better tanks. The US could never compete, cause the cost of ship building had to be figured into the unit cost of each tank. The tanks had to be smaller to pack them on ships. The Russians and Germans can roll them off the assembly line straight into battle. <br /> <br /> ::::Nothing changed over the Cold War, other than the ability to deliver a few by aircraft.<br /> <br /> ::::In the 1970s, the Pentagon wanted to go a two-man tank, but Congressmen who served in tanks units in WWII wanted to stick with a 3 man tanks. Political interference in war planning and weapons design didn't really matter, cause tank production, among other conventional ground weapons, were never relied on as America's first line of defense in the event of war with the USSR. So they remained just a boondoggle for jobs in various districts.<br /> <br /> ::::In the [[Gulf War]], you saw the same thing. The US delivered 1,000 Abrams to the battlefield, a superior tank to Saddam's 6,000 T-62 (do the math, an Abrams would have to knock out six T-62s to have a 50/50 chance of survival. But they were held back and never saw action, as the A-10 Warthog knocked out all Saddam's tanks. The Abrams were there just for show, despite all the media hype. <br /> <br /> ::::You see the same thing right now - the Abrams are held back, while German [[Leopard 2]] are sent in to go toe-to-toe with T-90s. Not that the Abrams isn't in the class as a Leopard 2 or T-90, it's just that they are way more expensive (when you factor unit cost of delivery to the battlefield), and the risk of loss and replacement is too much. <br /> <br /> ::::American tanks and conventional weapons are cosmetic, cause the US has since 1949 relied on its nuclear first strike capabilities in the event of war with Russia. By the end of the Korean war, the Soviets reached nuclear parity and have held it ever since (with the theoretical exception of the [[neocon]]s who came up with this [[nuclear primacy]] doctrine in 2013, which is the cause of this current conflict, and may be implemented once all the Ukrainian, Polish, Baltic, and German proxy soldiers are dead. A nuclear first strike then will be the only option America has left if it wants to continue war.) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:32, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::This war has changed battlefield doctrines going forward permanently. [[ISR]] and drones have made maneuver warfare and "Big arrow" offensives obsolete. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:49, August 22, 2023 (EDT).<br /> <br /> ::::Sure, America has been a large conventional arms producer for sale to third parties, but designing weapons to go toe-to-toe with modern Russian weapons has always been built on guess work, and is not a priority cause of the nuclear first strike doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:11, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == De Santis' Record on Conservative Judges in Florida ==<br /> <br /> "He added, "And in Florida, I inherited a very liberal state supreme court, maybe the most liberal in the country, very activist. But I was able to replace three of the four liberals my first month in office with conservative justices. I've since been able to make a number of appointments since then. So we now have the most conservative state supreme court in the country. And so I think we have a really good track record on doing that.:https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/desantis-says-he-has-respect-for-trumps-3-supreme-court-appointees-but-theyre-no-thomas-or-alito-well-do-better-than-that/articleshow/100947146.cms [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:02, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Breaking: [[Prigozhin]] dead==<br /> Who'd a thunk it, a war hero like that dying in such a tragic accident. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:27, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Who killed him? No mystery there, right? [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:03, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::[https://youtu.be/DjUOBVAbGhQ Freddo, I know it was you]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:17, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :No. Shoigu and Gerasimov finally got to deliver Prigo some serious ammunition. In other news, smoking Utkin as well is the first bit of authentic de-Nazification of the war to date. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:37, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::I mean, what a tragedy to go out at the peak of your career. Some say, he was only getting started. Let this be a lesson - stay clear of [[MI6]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:58, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Maybe there can be peace talks now. Putin says, "Okay, I'll get rid of Prigozhin"; Biden agrees, say "Okay, [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fsome-of-the-documents-leaked-by-teixeira-were-completely-v0-0c6sthfoj4ib1.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D4514b0f77382f37cba6d09af0999309613bc23b6 I'll get rid of Zelensky]." That might clear the air. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:05, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::"There’s not much that happens in Russia that Putin's not behind," [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/biden-hints-putin-behind-wagner-group-boss-plane-crash according to Biden]. He's getting better at indirect hinting than he was after Nordstream. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:21, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::This isn't a whole lot different than when Zelensky [https://sonar21.com/are-the-ukrainian-political-elite-starting-to-eat-each-other/ took out the whole top leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs] last January - on [[CIA]] orders. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:30, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The problem the Russians have now is, who do they negotiate with after [https://jonrappoport.substack.com/p/stage-set-for-joe-bidens-removal-from-office Biden is deposed?] [[Colin Kahl]]? [[Samantha Power]]? [[Victoria Nuland]]? the fake Georgia electors? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:52, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> You got me, Rob. I did it. I killed Prighozin. I confess. Lol. Anyway, it's a Pity and a Shame what the Kremlin's Thugs are doing. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:53, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :[[Zelensky]] faces a choice now, he can flee like the [[Shah of Iran]] and [[Ferdinand Marcos]], or end up like [[Diem]]. I'm sure his advisors aren;t that srupid that they haven't shown him that letter from Kahl to Power. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:09, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Two best reports as of this moment:<br /> ::*[[GRU]] analysis: [https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/special-report-the-curtain-closes Simplius];<br /> ::*[[CIA]] analysis: [https://sonar21.com/wagner-titular-head-prigozhin-dead-or-alive/ Larry Johnson];<br /> :ignore all else (in fact, don't even taint or pollute your mind with biased versions and reports). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:09, August 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Maybe Putin needs a good chef and decided to fake Prigozhin's death? You can't stay mad at your chef. A political leader dying in an air crash happened a lot in the 1930s and 1940s. It's an odd way to die in this day and age. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:27, August 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Debate Reviews: De Santis, Haley, Pence did well. Christie lost an exchange to Ramaswamy and Ramaswamy lost one to Haley ==<br /> <br /> So, I watched the debate and been reading some reviews. Lots of people mentioned (1) Haley's exchange with Ramaswamy on Foreign Policy, and most acknowledge she won that. Likewise, (2) Ramaswamy won his on Trump vs Christie. (3) Pence criticized R on multiple issues (3) De Santis held his own and stood above the fray and talked about his Conservative Record and his Winsome Policies and Successful Re-Election.<br /> <br /> Good Debate: I would say De Santis, Haley and Pence did the best. Ramaswamy, Christie and Scott next. The other two barely showed up.<br /> <br /> The NYT below quotes 2 Conservative Debate Reviewers:<br /> <br /> "Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, said during the debate that he expected Mr. DeSantis to “deal with constant incoming” attacks. By the end, Mr. Lowry said that Mr. DeSantis had “helped himself” by sticking to his message — and took “no incoming fire.”<br /> <br /> Other observers noted Mr. DeSantis’s ability to stay in comfortable territory, trumpeting his conservative track record in Florida as proof that he could steer the Republican Party to success.<br /> <br /> Mary Katharine Ham, a journalist and conservative commentator, called Mr. DeSantis’s strategy “effective.” <br /> <br /> “Gimme a topic. Yeah, I did that thing. Let me tell you what I did. It happened in Florida. Results,” she said, summarizing his approach."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/24/us/politics/who-won-debate-republican.html [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 04:01, August 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Here's an excerpt: "You have no Foreign Policy Experience and it shows!" The ChatGPT line was another Zinger! https://youtu.be/5ht3qDRIgHw [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 04:06, August 24, 2023 (EDT)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1974174 Talk:Main Page 2023-08-24T12:49:08Z

<p>Rafael: /* The first thing we do, arrest all the liberals */</p> <hr /> <div><center>''This page is for intelligent discussion only related to Main Page content! We are attempting to better coordinate editors<br> for collaborative input on MPR news reporting. This begins with education on programmed [[MSM]] narratives and sources.<br> Non-MSM sources can be qualified for MPR use here. Posts not related to Main Page content will be summarily removed!<br>Our intent is to get readers and editors eyes off programmed MSM [[collective]] herd [[brainwashing]] and gain a deeper understanding<br> of events shaping our daily lives. 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[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:08, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> [[Doug MacGregor]] comments on the role [[atheism]] plays in [[globalism]]. [https://youtu.be/h-HJhQThF24 They Pushed The Russians Too Hard And Now They're All Doomed]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:04, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===The Big Push has arrived===<br /> <br /> When Sevastopol becomes a NATO base, we'll know we've won the war: "[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-27/ukraine-begins-major-push-in-the-south-in-its-counteroffensive#xj4y7vzkg Ukraine Steps Up Counteroffensive With Big Push in the South]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 08:54, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Lol. They need manpower, tanks, and aircover to do it. They have none (rather, rapidly running out). <br /> <br /> :[[Propaganda]] alone cannot win a war. This seems to be the major flaw in contemporary US/NATO doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:42, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :[https://youtu.be/g_CqTYZRMEU No Sane Person Goes to War against Russia (Military Textbook Ch. 1 Par. 1)]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:22, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::What is this? Guy expounding on Russian history from behind the steering wheel of his car? At least he's belted in. He'll be ready to move as soon as traffic breaks up. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:38, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::The guy meets [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability Wikipedia Notability Guidelines] for his own bio page. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:20, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :'''Scenario:''' About November 2023, the [[Biden regime]] will begin waving the white flag; [[Victoria Nuland]], who can cuss in Russian like a Russian sailor, has been appointed to the negotiating team. The problem with this scenario as laid out in open source from US [[leak]]s is, the Russians will not acquiesce to any [[NATO]] presence east of the [[Polish]] border. Yet the Biden regime proceeds as if it's a done deal. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:48, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Biden needs to show results before the New Hampshire primary in January. [https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-russia-launches-new-mass-missile-strike-kyiv-says-air-defense-capabilities-increased/ Ukraine will get the Abrams tank in September and the F-16 by the end of the year], just in time to defeat RFK Jr. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:28, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::(a) it won't go that far; (b) the first F-16 that crosses into Ukraine airspace means Polish airstrips & Ramstein get nuked, or at least hit with [[Kinzhal]]s and Iskanders (this is why US involvement won't last until Feb 2024); (c) the only alternate scenario is the [[NATO_war_in_Ukraine#Polish_deployments|Russo-Polish war]] (Poland has reserved some ammo and equipment for itself, but the US has run out and can't help. Poland does have manpower however, that can be fed into the meatgrinder since the Ukrainians are running out). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:29, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::Note on manpower needs: Ukraine entered the 2022 conflict with the largest standing military and reserves in Europe. Its army was larger than France, Germany, and the United Kingdom combined. They are all dead now. Ukraine is rebuilding its army for the fourth time in this conflict now, with the average age being 37, with no prior military training or experience. And it doesn't have the combat-experienced officers either to rebuild with.<br /> :::Note on Poland: Poland's dreams of empire have to get past the voters first in the October 2023 elections, assuming the globalists won't rig that election, either. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:25, July 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::'''Polish update:''' Being that Planet Earth knows the [[Wagner group]] is a rogue outfit outside [[Moscow]]'s control, if the Wagner group were to invade Poland, NATO cannot legally justify invoking Article 5 against Russia. [https://www.politnavigator.net/vagnera-legko-vozmut-zheshuv-azarjonok.html Wagner will easily take the NATO base at Rzeszow in Poland]. <br /> ::::Biden would have to invoke the [[Bush Doctrine]] against [[Belarus]], by the precedent of holding the Taliban responsible for harboring Al Qaeda. Of course an attack against Belarus is an attack against all 85 constituent republics of the Russian Federation. <br /> ::::It's a game of chicken; let a NATO member state kill a single Wagner fighter or Belarussian soldier on Belarussian territory from a NATO member states' territory, and see what happens. This scenario will likely play out once fighting between Wagner & Polish "peacekeepers" commence in Western Ukraine (and we won't even go into [[false flag]] scenarios). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:25, July 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===AI in drone warfare===<br /> For the first time in warfare, in [[Bradley Square]], we are seeing drones equipped with [[artificial intelligence]] seeking out and choosing for themselves which targets to destroy. [https://youtu.be/RyPIUNypMCs] The era of "precision guided" munitions is past. I'm sure AI robotic warfare is a relief to a lot of people's [[conscience]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:12, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Background: Russia entered the war with basically only one drone design, the Orlan, which looks like a hobby model available at any hobby shop. Each artillery unit had an Orlan for spotting and correcting (which the US and NATO does not have) and proved very effective. Russia acquired the Lancet (or Geranium) design from Iranian Shaid drone. It has proven extremely cost-effective. Russia is now building 1 million Lancets.<br /> <br /> :IMO, one motive behind NATO's provoking Russia to war is to discover more about its [[electronic warfare]] and other advanced technologies. It needs this, if the US really is intent on provoking the Taiwan crisis. The US needs to know how to defeat the [[S-400]] and [[S-500]], seeing that Russia would share that technology with China if the Taiwan provocation plays out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:38, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWs, while the US is said to have "air superiority", Russia is generally recognized as having the most advanced and superior missile defense systems on the planet (a jet aircraft is also a "missile"). Before spending more money on more advanced US aircraft, the US wants to force Russia's hand to lay some of its cards on the table about its missile defense systems, rather than US designers having to rely on guess work. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:55, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::The German [[Leopard 2]] tank, the supposed most advanced tank on the planet, is a good example of relying on guess work in its design. Of course, you don't really know how effective a weapon is going to be - no matter how much money you put into the project - until it is combat tested. The Leopard fails. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:06, July 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWs, that world depicted in the 1984 film ''[[The Terminator]]'', where the robots with artificial intelligence rise up to exterminate the remaining human population, is here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:43, July 31, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :In addition to AI, facial recognition is being tested on kamikaze drones. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:21, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::So it's not just a matter of sending you a ticket for J-walking anymore - they can wipe you out with a drone, as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:24, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Future War Is Here===<br /> [https://www.bitchute.com/video/B7u6qWpYHhmp/ How Ukrainians retrieve bodies of their fallen cannonfodder]. <br /> <br /> Yep, Zelensky turned Ukraine into [https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/15/politics/ukraine-russia-war-weapons-lab/index.html an experimental proving ground] for Western military technology. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:27, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Note: rigor mortis hasn't set in in this particular subject; see also [https://www.sgtreport.com/2023/05/profiting-from-war-and-death-the-organ-harvesting-business-in-ukraine/ Profiting from War and Death: The Organ Harvesting Business in Ukraine]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:32, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Update: One Russian sources using this video claims the soldier is wounded and not dead. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:04, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Must read===<br /> [https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/last-stop-before-willoughby Last Stop Before Willoughby] (2 min read). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:43, August 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===[[Teroborona]] update from American transgender spokes-thing (we don't want to be prosecuted for using the wrong pronouns) in Kiev===<br /> [https://www.bitchute.com/video/xOYHf6aQTkIh/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:16, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> RWA (Russians With Attitude): [https://youtu.be/WasACJnvjQo Sarah Ashton-Cirillo is a Kremlin Agent]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:40, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Analysis: It ought to be obvious Sarah Ashton-Cirillo has been hired by the Zelensky regime/CIA to teach English to Ukraine children using idioms and common rhetoric they hear daily in the Ukrainian language. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:28, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Wow. Russian political scientist says it all in 39 secs.===<br /> [https://www.bitchute.com/video/VInNWCfCN2sR/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:16, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Good lesson in discerning propaganda from Emil Cosman (first 1 1/2 minutes)===<br /> [https://youtu.be/CaWHx8rxLrw] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:23, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Scott Ritter interview with Soloviev===<br /> [https://rumble.com/v39toio-scott-ritter-show-ep.-42-with-vladimir-soloviev.html Scott Ritter interview with Soloviev]. Soloviev is fluent in English. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:12, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Dems step up prosecution of Trump ==<br /> <br /> Back in March, the idea of prosecuting a former president was considered a huge norm-buster, a violation of over two centuries of tradition. Using the legal system to take out political opposition was downright undemocratic. Now there are so many cases pending against Donald Trump that we need a "[https://www.politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/ definitive guide]" to keep track of them. The classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, the Stormy Daniels payoff, the phone call to the Georgia secretary of state, and Trump's role in the January 6th demonstration are all going to court, according to "target letters" issued by the relevant prosecutors.<br /> <br /> If the Democrats are confident that Joe Biden can defeat Trump, why do they want him out of the race so badly? My theory is that Biden knows that he's not getting a second term, either for undisclosed health reasons or because of the Hunter Biden bribery scandal. He wants credit for removing Trump from U.S. politics to "finish the job," as he phrases it. Prosecuting Trump is the closest thing Biden has to a popular policy. Attacking the democratic process is thus not a matter of expediency; Its what Biden wants to be remembered for. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:52, July 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Fortunately, we have some proven, well qualified sources covering the matter. TechnoFog is one of the best among several; he has proven himself through the [[Trump-Russia scam]] and impeachment, Mueller investigation, Durham investigation, etc. He even attends DC court hearings. For this reason, I'm not as engaged in the current Trump prosecutions and Hunter Biden problems as previously, cause we have respected, credible sources to use. <br /> :My focus is to connect the dots between [[Trump-Russia]] as the motivating factor and prelude to the [[Ukraine war]] - something all the same qualified sources say, but is a conspiracy so vast that when its true dimensions are known will forever be deserving of the maledictions of all honest men. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:14, July 31, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Andrew McCarthy on the Trump indictments ===<br /> Donald Trump may be flying high in the polls, but the reality is that the prosecutors and the Deep State decide. See "[https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/out-of-all-indictments-georgia-is-the-most-perilous-threat-to-trump/ Out of all indictments, Georgia is the most perilous threat to Trump]" by Andrew McCarthy. The Fulton County attorney and some Georgia jurors will decide who the next president will be -- and they are not likely to pick Trump. Trump needs to drop out and endorse somebody who can win in November. I want to see Chuck Schumer on trial for Ashlee Babbit's murder. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 11:58, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===The first thing we do, arrest all the liberals===<br /> <br /> Donald Trump could be arrested in Atlanta any time now. Three out of the four cases pending against him involve legal theories that are unprecedented in American jurisprudence. The classified documents case is the only one with a recognizable legal foundation. But by prosecuting Trump and not Hillary, Biden is attempting to rig the 2024 election. How can the wife of a former president be immune from prosecution, but not an actual former president?<br /> <br /> As president, Trump had the authority to created his own standard for what was classified and what wasn't. He could have made everything he did legal. The only reason that we know that he didn't do this is because he is on tape admitting that he didn't declassify the documents in question. So its a case that revolves on technicalities.<br /> <br /> There are twenty-seven Republican attorney generals in the United States. They should all be cranking up prosecutions of Democrats. Prosecute Hunter as an unregistered foreign agent of Russia and China. Prosecute Stacy Abrams, Al Gore, and Hillary Clinton for attempting to overturn elections. Prosecute BLM and Antifa for the 2020 riots. The tech giants should be prosecuted for donating to pro-riot groups in order to force Americans to shop online. Investigate the intelligence officers who told us Hunter's laptop was disinformation just before the 2020 election. See "[https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/15/how-should-republicans-respond-to-fulton-county-indict-the-left/ How Should Republicans Respond To Fulton County? Indict The Left]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:25, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Don't hold back now, tell us what you really think. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 10:54, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::The Georgia Republicans who were selected as counter electors in 2020 were following a precedent set by Hawaii Democrats in 1960. Now they have been charged under RICO as if they were mobsters. See "[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/the-georgia-indictment-is-the-biggest-threat-to-democracy-yet The Georgia indictment is the biggest threat to democracy yet]" and "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1SN5685Tus VERIFY: Yes, RICO was created to prosecute the mob]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:46, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::What would Pastor Niemoller say about that turn of phrase? [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 11:23, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The phrase is from ''Henry VI, Part II'': “The first thing we do is, let’s kill all the lawyers.” It's one of Shakespeare's most famous quotes. It's a pity that popular history has been reduced to Nazis and slavery. '''Update'''. Biden routinely describes anyone who criticizes him or his policies from the right as a "white supremacist" or a "Maga Republican." He is ready to sic the FBI on us: "[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/sep/15/biden-accused-pressuring-fbi-fabricate-extremist-a/ Biden accused of pressuring FBI to fabricate ‘extremist’ and ‘White supremacist’ cases]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:58, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::Even assuming a moral and literary equivalence between Niemoller's poem and a decontextualised joke by a minor character in a minor Shakespeare play, what do you think Shakespeare was saying throug Jack Cade, Dick the Butcher and all the other rebels? [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 08:32, August 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == West scrambles to hash out details of F-16 Training for Ukraine ==<br /> <br /> Say it with me. NATO Population: 1 BN, Russia: 150 MN; NATO GDP: >40 TN, Russia GDP: <2 TN. There is no way Russia can win this War.<br /> <br /> "The scramble by the West comes as Ukraine calls for additional military capabilities to break through Russian defenses on the battlefield. And Ukraine is ramping up pressure on allies to send F-16s again this week, as Russia pulled out of a deal that allowed civilian ships to transport grain through the Black Sea; Ukraine’s foreign minister said Tuesday that the jets could help protect a corridor that is vital to global food security.<br /> <br /> One training proposal that has been discussed involves bringing Ukrainian pilots to the United States to receive instruction from the 162nd Air Wing, an Air National Guard unit based in Tucson, Ariz., that already trains foreign partners on the F-16."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/25/west-ukraine-f-16-training-00108111 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:48, August 2, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Those numbers are screwed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:01, August 2, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Russian Foreign Ministry and Ministry of Defense could not be more clear (and they do not need to repeat it over and over and over again): If they see an F-16 flying east over Ukraine territory, they will regard it as a nuclear attack. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:44, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWS put succinctly - all the talk from Western sources reported in Western media about Ukrainian pilots trained on F-16s and supplying Ukraine with F-16s is interpreted in Moscow as making nuclear threats (it does not matter if Western MSM fails to understand or report that fact). Please, stop spewing Western veiled nuclear threats in Main Page talk. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:55, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Russian military has no way to discern if an F-16 flying east over Ukraine is armed with a nuclear or conventional bomb, has stated they will assume it is nuclear equipped, and will respond accordingly. Period. Paragraph, End of Statement. Please desist. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:59, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The [[propaganda]] in the ''[[Politico]]'' article posted is what you call "bluster", and if the sources quoted are serious, they are insane madmen. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 03:05, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :[https://www.azerbaycan24.com/en/russia-becomes-europe-s-biggest-economy-report/ Russia becomes world's 5th largest economy and largest in Europe], surpassing Germany despite sanctions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:08, August 5, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === US approves sending F-16s to Ukraine from Denmark and Netherlands ===<br /> <br /> My prediction that the War will likely end by end 2024 or in about 1.5 years is looking pretty good right now. This breaking from Reuters.<br /> <br /> "WASHINGTON, Aug 17 (Reuters) - The United States has approved sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands to defend against Russian invaders as soon as pilot training is completed, a U.S. official said on Thursday.<br /> <br /> Ukraine has actively sought the U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets to help it counter Russian air superiority.<br /> <br /> Washington gave Denmark and the Netherlands official assurances that the United States will expedite approval of transfer requests for F-16s to go to Ukraine when the pilots are trained, the official said."<br /> <br /> https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approves-sending-f-16s-ukraine-denmark-netherlands-2023-08-17/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 20:56, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I know you follow MSM, but right now the experts are giving the Zelensky regime's life expectancy about 4-5 weeks.<br /> <br /> :As to the F-16s, they will be stripped down and the pilots are just sacrificial lambs to see how the Russians destroy the planes. <br /> <br /> :One of the big problems with F-16 is, they need a special runway that doesn't exist in Ukraine; so if they take off from Poland or Romania, that is an act of war originating from those countries. So they have to take off from these shortened runways in Ukraine. NATO is just paying close attention to how long it takes for the Russian forces to detect them and respond, with what kind of electronic warfare, and how they will destroy them. It's just basic research the [[MIC]] needs to build into the [[F-35]]. <br /> <br /> :And the Russians won't use their top-of-the-line technology to destroy them. They'll use older Soviet stuff that NATO has probably never faced. <br /> <br /> :Now sure, in the F-16s first or second run they may get lucky, make a few hits, and return to base alive, which will get maximum air play for propaganda purposes. But by the third run the Russians will have it figured out, how to make the kill shot without revealing too much about their modern weapons systems (radar detection and missile defense). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:26, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The [[Leopard 2]], for example, "the best main battle tank on the planet", didn't last one day in combat. Now it's the UK Challenger's turn. Next is the Abrams. They send them in in such limited, small numbers, not cause they expect them to be useful or "win" (a "gamechanger") in combat, but to discover their vulnerabilities and information about Russian offensive weapons. It's just experimental under real combat conditions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:47, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Shoigu already said Russia will regard F-16s as a nuclear threat, and I just heard it repeated (the Russians are not in the habit of repeating themselves; they basically make an official statement once and leave it at that. They don't play the Western media game of tit-for-tat rhetoric timed for news cycles, but I;ll watch to see if had to be repeated). Sometimes they may give a gentle reminder on their [[policy]], but they are not required to answer all the bluster coming from the West everytime somebody talks smack. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:05, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::{Note: In diplomatic language, there is a difference between a "nuclear threat" and a "nuclear attack".) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:43, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::The Russians will use that Reuters report and/or whoever it came from as simply more evidence how they are disrespected and ignored in the West. The West can laugh it off, but it carries weight in Russian domestic propaganda. So when you get clobbered with a nuke, don't say you weren't warned. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:08, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> If Putin was going to use Nukes, he would have used them long ago. Not to mention nuked Prighozin among others. He won't do it because he knows it'll be the end of him, and he loves his power, status and wealth - most of it ill-gotten, by some accounts he's the world's richest man, unjustly so - see this: "The Kremlin claims that Putin earns an annual salary of $140,000. His publicly disclosed assets include an 800-square foot apartment, a trailer, and three cars. But according to some experts, he may be the wealthiest man in the world with assets totaling up to $200 billion.02-Mar-2022" https://fortune.com/2022/03/02/vladimir-putin-net-worth-2022/ - too much ever to risk it. Putin shouldn't have started this War, he probably feels that way too now himself, but his ego and pride won't let him let go. All he needs to do is retreat back to his own Territory and it'll be over. But he doesn't want to do that and he won't do it until soundly defeated. He's used the "E-word" Escalation too much for it to be credible or meaningful anymore, kinda like the Boy who cried Wolf. And so, Ukraine will calmly do its duty to defend its own Territory, its own Soil, and its 40+ Million citizens whom Thug Putin is Robbing of their Happiness, their Dreams, their Future, their Security and their Prosperity. But not for long because they're rightly fighting back. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 20:29, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You can't have it both ways - saying Putin is an irrational madman but rational enough not to use nukes. "A world without Russia isn't worth living in" - Vladimir Putin. [https://www.bitchute.com/video/DKYBayLj39ox/ "We go to Paradise, but they won't have time to repent."] - Vladimir Putin. <br /> <br /> :Putin didn't start the war.<br /> <br /> :The same nuclear scenario regarding F-16s over Ukrainian airspace will occur with or without Putin. It'll happen even if Putin had never been born. Putin has little to say over Russian Federation nuclear doctrine. In fact, Putin really isn't a military man at all. The nuclear doctrine was scripted by others.<br /> <br /> :Here again, you are a victim of Western propaganda. Unlike the United States, the decision to use a nuke does not rest in the hands of one man, as in the US. The battlefield commander armed with a nuke, in both Soviet and Russian Federation nuclear doctrine, rests in the hands of the battlefield commander armed with a nuke. (So once the decision is made to transfer a nuke in the hands of a commander, for example the decision to arm [[President Lukashenko]] with a nuke, it is out of [[Moscow]]'s hands). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:04, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Put succinctly, if Shoigu and the boys in the [[Kremlin]] transfer a nuke into [[Gen. Surovikan]]'s hands, Surovikin has full authority to use it at his discretion, under [[Russian nuclear doctrine]]. He only needs to report using it back to the Kremlin afterward. That decision has already been made, and Putin was only one voice or vote in making that decision to transfer a nuke into a certain commanders' hands. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:07, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Under Russian doctrine, the Russian Ministry of Defense can hand out 20 or 30 nukes to battlefield commanders all over the planet, and each one independently, alone, has sole discretion, power, and authority to use it. The simple fact you (a) don't understand this, or (b) refuse to accept this fact and are fixated on Vladimir Putin, shows the extent of how badly you have willingly subjected yourself to Western media [[brainwash]]ing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:13, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::This shows the colossal mistake NATO governments and their controlled media made in the early days of the [[propaganda]] war, by mocking the Russian military and its commanders. Russian battlefield commanders, of which there are dozens, are better trained and qualified, with better judgment of under what circumstances the use of nuclear weapons may be necessary than [[Joe Biden]], or any NATO commander, or any nuclear armed NATO member [[head of state]] or head of government. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:44, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :No, the rest of the planet does not necessarily follow the US model, where one man (supposedly) is in control of nukes (under Trump, remember, even that was questioned). In fact, following the American model or example of how a government ''should'' be structured is much at the heart of ''how'' and ''why'' this war began. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:19, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Take Pakistan, for example: when [[Benazir Bhutto]] was elected President, she had no idea who was in control of Pakistan's nukes, which individual or group of individuals made the decision to launch, or where they were even located until the [[CIA]] informed her. But that still didn't give her any authority. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:23, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> So let's get into the details of what Putin is [https://www.bitchute.com/video/DKYBayLj39ox/ describing here with the MAW (Missile Advance Warning) system]. An F-16 is a (manned) missile. The MAW system detects launch, approach, and trajectory. Shoigu and others have repeatedly stated, they cannot determine whether a "nuclear capable" F-16 is or is not armed with a nuclear weapon, therefore they will regard it as a nuclear threat. Sure, you can mock the Russian MAW system as 20 years behind technological standards of the West, but too bad - the Russians have stated their position and NATO understands it. "We go to Paradise, but they won't have time to repent." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:16, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> As to the "E-word", escalation is not spontaneous. Escalation has all been gamed-out on both sides. You can see videos of escalation being "gamed-out" over Taiwan on YouTube. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:38, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> [https://southfront.press/step-towards-global-nuclear-war/ F-16 FOR UKRAINE: STEP TOWARDS GLOBAL NUCLEAR WAR:] <br /> :''"The United States has finally approved the transfer of F-16 fighter jets from Denmark and the Netherlands to Ukraine upon completion of pilot training. There are no more obstacles to the supply of F-16 fighters to Ukraine, Copenhagen said.<br /> <br /> :''The United States agreed to train Ukrainian pilots on the F-16. The aircraft could be reportedly sent to Ukraine by the end of the year. Denmark and the Netherlands joined the training program, supported by the USA, Belgium, France and the UK.<br /> <br /> :''The Kremlin stated that since the F-16 is capable of carrying nuclear warheads the transfer of F-16s to Kiev would be considered a nuclear threat from the West."'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:47, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Larry Johnson report===<br /> CIA analyst (there is no such thing as "ex-CIA" contrary to most MSM reports, unless you are dead) [[Larry Johnson]] reports today (corroborating much of my spiel above), beginning with a quote from ''[[WaPo]]'':<br /> :'''WaPo''': ''The bleak outlook, briefed to some Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill, has already prompted a '''blame game''' inside closed-door meetings. Some Republicans are now balking at President Biden’s request for an additional $20.6 billion in Ukraine aid given the offensive’s modest results. Other Republicans and, to a lesser extent, hawkish Democrats have faulted the administration for not sending more powerful weapons to Ukraine sooner.''<br /> <br /> :''U.S. officials reject criticisms that F-16 fighter jets or longer-range missile systems such as ATACMS would have resulted in a different outcome. “The problem remains piercing Russia’s main defensive line, and there’s no evidence these systems would’ve been a panacea,” a senior administration official said.''<br /> <br /> '''Johnson''': "During my time at CIA we had an expression for the Captain Obivious conclusion — we called it, “No Sh*t Analysis.” The [[F-16]] is not a [[wunder waffen]]. It has no magical powers. It is an aircraft that can readily be identified by Russia’s robust, integrated air defense system and it will be shot down. God pity the pilots of those planes if they ever make it to the theater of battle.<br /> <br /> The publication of this article in the [[Washington Post]] is just another sign of flagging U.S. support for Ukraine. This is sending a signal that the U.S. [[intel community]] is no longer on the Ukraine band wagon." [https://sonar21.com/more-signs-the-west-is-losing-and-reacting-accordingly-in-ukraine-plus-judge-napolitanos-round-table/]<br /> <br /> '''RobS' comment''': "Russia’s robust, integrated air defense system" is exactly what I spoke of above - the [[MIC]] wants Russia to lay some of its cards on the table about its modern "integrated air defense system" for research into the design of the [[F-35]]. Russia will try to hide as much as they can while using older systems. And Johnson pointedly refers to what I called Ukraine's "sacrificial lamb" pilots used on a suicide mission. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:19, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Simplicius' take===<br /> Simplicius gives the same analysis, albeit from a Russian perspective [https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-82023-f-16s-paper-over-500k] (quoted at length):<br /> {{quotebox-float|I view the delivery of such planes as a very good thing. I’ve said since the beginning that all the most advanced Western arms provide essential training to Russian forces, who need to learn how to fight against these systems for the sake of a potential future war against NATO proper.<br /> <br /> That means Russian AD operators, fighter pilots, etc., will all get critical experience on dealing with one of NATO’s top aircraft, including registering their characteristics into their radar registries for enhanced identification purposes.<br /> <br /> Such a rare opportunity to go up against and study these types of systems in a ‘low risk’ environment is crucial. It’s better to go up against them now, in Ukrainian hands and low numbers, while learning their secrets and weaknesses, than experiencing them for the first time in a full-fledged war against NATO where hundreds/thousands of them are deployed at the same time in a far more uncontrollable setting.<br /> <br /> Sure it may seem callous to want Ukraine to have better/more advanced weaponry because the argument is that some Russians will lose their lives from this, but you have to see things in a broader view. It will save more lives in the long term, in light of a much larger future war, if they can master combating these systems now.}}<br /> The F-16 is not a "gamechanger". Both Zelensky and defense minister Reznikov have said Ukraine is a testing ground for NATO weapons. It's not just tragic, but in the case of Zelensky we need to examine the moral question how he is willing to trade the lives of his own people for money as a proxy in a great power game he knows Ukraine will emerge as a loser. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:48, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Re: MPR post of "Poll: Putin named World's Most Respected Leader." ==<br /> <br /> Re: Main page right post of: '''Poll:''' [[Putin]] named World's Most Respected Leader. [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/joe-biden-is-dead-last-international-poll-who/]<br /> <br /> The actual news story's lead as far as it's first two sentences is: "In a recent online poll on Twitter X Joe Biden ended up dead last in an international poll on respected leaders. Russia’s Vladimir Putin was first with 35.6% of the vote followed by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi with 33.7% of the vote, followed by Ukraine’s Zelensky with 21.9% of the vote."<br /> <br /> A Twitter poll can be affected by bots. I realize that a scientifically done representational poll done by Gallup International would be more expensive, but sometimes truth comes at a steeper price. <br /> <br /> My guess is that the wealthy countries aligned with the USA would tend to be more anti-Putin. Of course, Russia has its allies too. And then much of the global south and/or poor countries are unaligned so they are better able to negotiate for the best deals. India has been unaligned for a long time. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:27, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The article actually says, "Russia’s Vladimir Putin was first." Case closed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:31, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::I suppose if you want easy answers that fit your views and are closed-minded it is "case closed", but otherwise one would have to spend more money. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:35, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I's a fact: the Department of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University found Vladimir Putin the world's most respected leader in its annual World of Statistics polling. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:41, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Should be an eyeopener for students and young people compared to the [[MSM]] [[brainwashing]] and garbage readers like yourself routinely consume. 19:43, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::I am open to that notion, but I want a source. And the source has to agree with what you are claiming. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:44, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::Also, the Twitter poll posted on MPR was done by the Twitter account of "World of Statistics".[https://twitter.com/stats_feed/status/1688618337473810434] And unfortunately, we don't know who runs that account. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:47, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::::Fortunately, we do: the Mathematics Statistics Dept of Georgia State University, which I just stated above (sorry, I know you comprehension is a little bit lagging). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:50, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> Furthermore, as far as a "Department of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University" poll, when was it done? I ask because both sides of the war in Ukraine have engaged in war atrocities. See: [[Essay: Russian war crimes in Ukraine]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:52, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Ok. You are not giving a source as far as your alleged "Department of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University" poll. I will remain a skeptic then. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:53, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Find it yourself.<br /> <br /> :::::(ec) Did you read the Consortium news piece in the Propaganda update? This section made me immediately think of you:<br /> ::::::"[https://consortiumnews.com/2023/08/10/caitlin-johnstone-illusory-truth-unprovoked-invasion/ Their repetition of this war propaganda slogan exploits a glitch in human cognition known as the [[illusory truth effect]]], which makes it difficult for our minds to tell the difference between the experience of hearing something many times and the experience of hearing something that’s true.}. <br /> :::::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:54, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> Anyways, the Departments of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University could do a Twitter poll in good faith, but it could have been tainted by Twitter bots. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:57, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Also, "The accuracy of a poll depends on how it was conducted. Most of Pew Research’s polling is done by telephone. By contrast, most online polls that use participants who volunteer to take part do not have a proven record of accuracy. There are at least two reasons for this. One is that not everyone in the U.S. uses the internet, and those who do not are demographically different from the rest of the public. Another reason is that people who volunteer for polls may be different from other people in ways that could make the poll unrepresentative. At worst, online polls can be seriously biased if people who hold a particular point of view are more motivated to participate than those with a different point of view."[https://www.pewresearch.org/2010/12/29/how-accurate-are-online-polls/] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:02, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::The American Association for Public Opinion Research recently released a detailed report on the strengths and weaknesses of online polling. The full text of the report can be found [http://poq.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/10/19/poq.nfq048.full.html here].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:04, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::(ec) Sorry, you're going to have to take that up with the professional statisticians at Georgia State University. <br /> :::Nowwhere in the poll results does it say it was a Twitter poll, as you ass-u-me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:07, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The non-aligned countries often share a common trait: Making expedient deals. That's one of the strengths that Donald Trump had as a real estate mogul. He was a dealmaker as president. The Abraham Accords had one of its prime focuses on economic deal-making and the various country's economic interests. Biden can't hold a candle to Trump and he made the Ukraine-Russia situation much worse. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:29, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::Interesting; but I don't see how that relates to the subject of this thread. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:31, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> The nonaligned countries and their citizens focus on "what have you done for me lately". Unfortunately for Russia and Ukraine, they are going to get further damaged in the war in Ukraine which may drag on for a long time. So they will have less to offer the world. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:35, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Still don't see how that relates...[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup><br /> ::Oh, well. I tried to explain it to you. If you still don't get it, I can live with that. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:51, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::Trump didn't even make the poll, and what do war atrocities have to do with the poll? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:03, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Okay, I think I understand now. You associate the name "Putin" with "Trump", "Zelensky", and "war". You do not associate it with "leadership", "the Russian nation", or "Christianity". Okay. That tells me a lot about how your mind works and processes information. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:57, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Breaking: Kupiansk front collapses==<br /> ''[https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/08/10/today-borscht-reichs-kupiansk-front-collapsed-in-mass-retreat-of-militia-2nd-echelon-units-lacking-fire-support-facing-logistical-breakdown-as-veteran-russian-forces-advanced-all-of-this-toda/ Developing]''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:38, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://youtu.be/k-S77ygsp1k Catastrophe Looms Over The Entire Kupiansk Frontline.] This is an ex-pat dissident channel. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:55, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *According to Dima of the Military Summary channel, the Russians have 100,000 troops in this sector; according Driezen, Ukraine has no reserves left here, as the Russians just broke through their second echelon. This means, the collapse in this same sector the Russians experienced last September is being reversed, and brings the Russians up to the doorstep of the city of [[Kharkov]]. However, no siege is likely yet, as some Russians forces need to head south and deal with other frontlines elsewhere from the Ukrainian rear. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:00, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::100km doorsteps ftw [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:53, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> [[File:Screen-Shot-2023-08-12-at-8.33.37-AM-937x1024.png|right|400px|thumb|Ukrainian citizens are waking up. War has not been declared, so [https://www.bitchute.com/video/BFRuB1AP79IT/ martial law and conscription is illegal] under existing law.]]<br /> :::There is nothing standing between them and Kharkov. But they'll probably break-off a large contingent south to help out at Krasny-Limon first and north to secure the border - once they finish up work at Kupiansk. <br /> :::Besides, Odessa is more important to secure than Kharkov right now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:59, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Conway, I'd be interested in hearing your assessment of what remains of Ukrainian fighters; as I understand, Ukraine only has about 40,000 NATO trained/equipped troops remaining. The rest, about 160,000, are untrained/unexperienced conscripts pressed into service with an average age over 37 (many in their 50s). There is talk of another mobilization, but there's nobody left to press into service. Fully 90% of all males (say over the age of 15) will have served before the war is over. What remains have long left the country and likely will never return. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:19, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://weapons.substack.com/p/ukraine-update-keep-an-eye-on-kupyansk Ukraine Update: Keep an Eye on Kupyansk] Russia May Soon Shift its Strategy, STEPHEN BRYEN. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:25, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Note: What Bryen says about the Wagner group returning to Russia, cited to the ISW, is false information. By law, a private military company like the Wagner group cannot operate on Russia soil, which is why they were withdrawn from [[Lugansk]] and Rostov and sent to Belarus. See also [https://youtu.be/2T0rwE6Y10s HistoryLegends], a pro-Ukraine channel. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:35, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Manpower isn't an issue. Ukraine fully mobilised in Feb. 2022. Currently / nationally, they've got around a million serving in uniform (inc. support & rear / staff units) and they're still actively recruiting and forming new brigades. As long as the materiel keeps flowing, they can keep this going indefinitely and they intend to. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:09, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::A million when you count the men 70+ and 15 year olds (the railway workers are considered the "hidden army"; also, now you have the mobilization of doctors and technocrats for combat duty). But we're not getting much reporting on the political situation; all the hardcore "nationalists" are dead, and their widows are pissed off. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:12, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::This can't keep up: [https://www.bitchute.com/video/J1JWnKQNaEEw/ Ukrainian Recruits Sent To Dig Trenches Found The Buried Corpses Of Previous Cannonfodder There]. I have another report on how Zelensky is destroying Ukrainian families by sending men to the front, which I'll post later when I find it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:09, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::[https://tsarizm.com/analysis/2023/08/12/ukraine-a-country-of-misery-how-to-find-more-troops-for-bloodshed/ Ukraine, A Country Of Misery: How To Find More Troops For Bloodshed] (machine translated). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:39, August 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::As far as I understand it now, here's what Zelensky's latest decree is suppose to do: his illegal order to grab conscripts off the street in select communities and regions has changed: he's now sending those guys (the kidnappers) to the front, and replacing them with returning veterans who lost an arm or leg. How a guy with one leg is suppose to chase a draft dodger down the street, as we've seen in countless videos, is unclear, but it's never been like he really cares anyway, so long as the [[DC]] gravy train keeps rolling. And apparently the new decree may apply nationwide, and not just in select regions and communities with Russian and Hungarian populations that the Kyiv regime (and NATO) seek to exterminate by sending draftees, pressed into service, on suicide attacks.<br /> <br /> ::::Reports indicate foreign mercenaries are being assigned to units to shoot in the back anyone who tries to desert or refuses to attack when ordered to do so, replacing the Nazi units which now will probably see more frontline action. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:24, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::The reason mercenaries have been assigned to take over the role of commissars one can only speculate, but I would guess it's because it is well known the Russians particularly target foreign mercenary groups (and have even stepped up their targeting) in both the front and rear. So evidently their numbers have been reduced, and recruiting hasn't gone so well over the past year or so. This still gives mercenaries a vital function to play, and hopefully reduces the number of foreign mercenaries deserting and returning home. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:45, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::Bear in mind, certain stories leaked out about the holocaust during World War II, but most people found the stories too incredible to believe and dismissed them as propaganda. It wasn't until the war was over before the truth came out, and the magnitude of government policy was understood. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:01, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::[https://www.bitchute.com/video/fkto39NnUchb/ Do you detect a change in Ukrainian society from February 2022?] The commissars themselves are now being sent to the front. This means the end is near, when the military and society itself begins to collapse. Great leadership on the part of Zelensky, NATO, and all their Western civilian backers. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:24, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> The decree is about getting ahead of a brewing scandal re. regional recruitment officials accepting bribes from draft dodgers. It's likely some pretty rich & powerful Ukrainians will be found to have bought their sons out of serving and - politically, at least - it makes sense to nuke the entire regional recruitment leadership and start again.<br /> <br /> There's no wider issue re. recruitment. Sure, virtually all those inclined to volunteer have done so already, but <br /> that's just what happens in any sufficiently big war. Eventually, you have to start pressing people into service. They might not be thrilled at the prospect, but as long as they know what they're fighting for - and they do - most of them will grit their teeth and get on with it. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:40, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Oh wow. So "recruitment" now means [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/press-gang "press gang"] and "draft". Okay. I hope you hang around to help translate more of this common [[propaganda]] terminolgy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:05, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Did you see the [https://videopress.com/v/PWnUihfT video from a few weeks ago] of the [[fragging]] incident? where the Ukrainian commander tossed a hand grenade into a bunker full of Ukrainian soldiers who refused to fight? The big mystery is, why would they post it on the internet afterward? And no, it's not a fake or Russian propaganda. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:12, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::There is a video of this same incident with subtitles I can't find right now; but he's basically arguing with the soldiers cause he sent them to occupy a certain position and they returned to the bunker here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:16, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not a day goes by where there's not a half dozen videos of the press gangs in action. People now are beginning to fight back. And the widows are confronting them in street, asking "Why don't you go to the front?" That's what Zelensky evidently is responding to. Also, the regime now is beginning to requisition people's vehicles (mostly the nice ones) off the street, as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:12, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Fragging update: [https://www.bitchute.com/video/F5URTIEszf6X/ AFU Troops Fleeing In Kupyansk Are Allegedly Shot In The Back By Colleagues]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:17, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> :ConwayIII wrote: "grit their teeth and get on with it." <br /> <br /> :Spoken like a true Brit! <br /> <br /> :Carry on, ConwayIII. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:59, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Obama and transgenderism ==<br /> <br /> Traditional history records a handful of transgendered freaks like Emperor Elagabulus (c. 204 -222). The modern history of this subject begins with John Money, who wrote a journal article about Canadian David Reimer in 1967. Reimer was born a boy and was brought up as a girl as part of a sick psychological experiment. He committed suicide in 2004. ''The Rocky Horror Picture Show'' (1975) gave us the word "transsexual." In 2015, Olympian Bruce Jenner announced that he was a woman. Suddenly, the issue everywhere. Thousands of years of human cultural were overturned by a ''Vanity Fair'' cover. <br /> <br /> There was obviously more to the story, but the magazine cover was only part that the MSM was interested in telling us about. After watching [https://youtu.be/E3um55ckPKs this Megan Kelly video], I suspect at that we can thank President Barack Obama for this problem. He wrote up fantasies about gay sex, according to Kelly. [https://youtu.be/WGLn9wGGSOQ He had a masculine-looking white girlfriend at one point]. He gave her up to have a politically correct marriage with Michelle.<br /> <br /> If you recall the panic over covid, it seems that drug companies are calling the shots these days. So how can we control them? Malcolm Gladwell has a podcast about how California and other states [https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/in-triplicate headed off the opioid epidemic by requiring forms to be filled out "in triplicate]." I remember when "in triplicate" was a metaphor for the dumbest, most pointless form of regulation, so this backstory was fascinating. Maybe its time to do something similar for puberty blockers. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:20, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The story of [[Michael Robinson]] has been known for a while. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:39, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::During the 2008 campaign, Obama's ''Dreams from my Father'' (1995), was treated as a definitive account. In 2012, a biography by David Maranass went through the book and debunked every story worth debunking. All those stories about how Obama triumphed over race discrimination? They were fake, every single one. But Maranass's account just leaves us with more questions. If Obama had spent his undergrad years playing basketball and smoking dope, how did he get into Harvard? You're not even allowed to ask as far as the MSM is concerned. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 04:55, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::[https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/david-garrow-interview-obama Here is a recent interview with Obama biographer David Garrow]. Garrow's book was a bestseller in 2017. He tracked down Obama girlfriend Sheila Miyoshi Jager as well as his homoerotic letters. The letters are part of an archive kept at Emory University in Georgia. Every major figure in the Biden administration is an Obama appointee. They run policy while Biden focuses on making money for himself and his family. [https://nypost.com/2022/10/17/hunter-bidens-real-estate-firm-received-over-100m-from-russian-oligarch/ Compared to Hunter's $100 million in Russian money], Obama's book deal was worth a measly $65 million. The Garrow interview I linked to argues that Obama is running this administration, much like Jefferson writing letters in Monticello telling the Madison administration what to do. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 13:43, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Do you feel like adding some of this to [[Obama]]'s bio article? His post-presidency and legacy, or maybe his early life? I'm debating about adding [https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=NT2YjbI6&id=D1F7DC24C6EBAA8C2BA86871F1850BC1BCB6D7AD&thid=OIP.NT2YjbI6dxAm_VLudfLpDAHaHa&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fthefederalistpapers.org%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2016%2f03%2fObama-On-Septic-Pumper-Truck.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.353d988db23a771026fd52ee75f2e90c%3frik%3drde2vMELhfFxaA%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=600&expw=600&q=obama+septic+tank&simid=607996215202089094&FORM=IRPRST&ck=6D95A0F1D3101378ECDFDA649B32E336&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0 this photo to his Legacy] section. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:18, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::I downloaded a copy of Garrow's book and I'll work on this when I have a chance. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:54, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Demonic ISIS Terrorism against Christians and Churches goes tragically under-reported in the world press ==<br /> <br /> God will have His Vengeance on the Persecutors of Christians: "Vengeance is Mine, says the Lord, I will repay"; "You are the Apple of My Eye, says the Lord; Whoever touches you touches Me"; "Saul, Saul why are you persecuting Me ... I am Jesus, Whom you persecute", the Lord said when His Martyrs were being Persecuted, as they are still today, above all by these Radical Islamist Terrorist Thugs. Will update the Persecution of Christians in the World Today article with this shortly, but it is also News that deserves to be more widely reported.<br /> <br /> From: https://www.memri.org/jttm/isis-africa-chad-cameroon-niger-democratic-republic-congo-nigeria-mozambique-targeting<br /> <br /> "ISIS videos in 2022 not only gloried in the killing of Christians and the destruction of their property and churches, but also in showing kidnapped Christian villagers being forcibly converted to Islam. Our adversary sees this campaign in ideological, Islamic supremacist terms most of all.<br /> <br /> African Christians are in a sense doubly stigmatized. Their suffering is minimized in the eyes of most of the West because they are both Africans and Christians, two categories that can be easily ignored by our enlightened elites more interested in promoting the latest fashionable progressive ideologies.<br /> <br /> But with talk of Africa becoming a higher priority for the U.S. as a result of intensifying great power competition, it is important to understand the full scope and ramifications of this bloody campaign. Certainly, the longer it continues, the greater possibility exists of the full ethnicization of these conflicts which could further fracture already stressed states and societies. What ISIS did to religious minorities in the Middle East it is seeking to do on a continent where Islam and Christianity are relatively equally matched. The potential result is pouring oil on a simmering fire.<br /> <br /> This comprehensive MEMRI report should be a wake-up call, not only about the military and security dimensions of the conflict in Africa that are too easily ignored, but about the ideological and cultural elements of this struggle. Only by understanding this crisis fully can we hope to address it successfully." [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:07, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :uh, [[ISIS]] was funded by the [[Obama administration]] and the US taxpayer (just as [[Ukrainian Nazi]]s now are funded by the US). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:26, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> The Clear Solution is an Integrally Conservative Christian Candidate for US President. Since NATO is a US-dominated Alliance, it follows that the Ideology - whether Atheistic and Woke, i.e. pro-abortion and pro sodomy LGBTQ, or Conservative and Christian i.e. Pro-Life, Pro-Family, Pro-Natural Marriage etc - that dominates the US will also dominate NATO. It remains that the Election of a Conservative Anti-Woke Christian President like De Santis will definitely help end the Ukraine War, because then the West will go back to promoting Christian Values. Indeed, the possibility of an American-Russian Alliance - against ISIS for e.g. which still Terrorizes much of Africa - at a not too distant date is still possible. But Russia also needs to go back to its own territory for that to happen. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:34, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :[[Deep State]] support for ISIS is why Obama fired [[Gen. Michael Flynn]] as [[Defense Intelligence Agency]] director cause he opposed it, and why the [[FBI]] framed him up on bogus charges - to silence him. And why the Deep State thwarted all efforts by the Trump administration. Unfortunately, not only is there no clue that DeSantis understands any of this, he's funded by the same [[globalist]] forces in bed with the Deep State. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:46, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Let me take part of that back - yes, DeSantis does understand much of the [[Deep State coup plot]], but his ranting against it is an empty handed gesture. Like Trump, he wouldn't be able to get his own appointments the proper security clearances past the corrupt FBI, and would have to staff his own administration with a bunch of deep staters, just has Trump was forced to. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:50, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :And even if he could get a single appointee, like [[Gen. Flynn]] for example who already had the proper security clearances, the FBI will harass and frame them up on bogus charges in order to protect itself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:55, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :: Brother, the Deep State really is Evil, and De Santis is the most dedicated, disciplined, tough, Anti-Evil Candidate I have ever seen. I'm not easily impressed, and I'm really impressed by De Santis. That is after many hours of researching his record and his accomplishments. This man walks the walk and not just talks the talk. He will Succeed in destroying the Deep State, which Trump could not completely do, though I'll happily admit Trump did do some good things. De Santis catching on to Fauci being part of the Deep State within the Trump Administration while Trump was still commending that is just one basic evidence for that I can think of. De Santis is the Crusading Christian Conservative Champion we've all been waiting for for 40+years since Ronald Reagan and he will take the Deep State down. Just give him the chance and see. If I'm wrong in 2028, I'll eat my words and you can quote them back to me right here. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:27, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::Here's where you need some understanding how the system operates (and we will not even go into the matters of [[FISA abuse]] or [[Weaponization of government]]).<br /> <br /> :::Presidentiual power consists of his powers of appointment, i.e. not so much what he himself does, but in the 2,000+ appointments he makes to the federal bureaucracy. No single person has 2,000 friends or acquaintances he knows personally to fill those appointments, so obviously a president is dependent on other people to make recommendations.<br /> <br /> :::Then these appointments have to pass FBI background checks, i.e. the FBI has [[veto]] power over presidential appointments.<br /> <br /> :::That is precisely the problem we face today; cause [[Chris Wray]] and the FBI aren't going to grant security clearances to anyone who wants to clean up the FBI, [[DOJ]], [[CIA]] or any other [[corrupt]] apparatus of the US [[intelligence community]] and [[deep state]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:40, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> :The issue here isn't who's right and who's wrong, or who's the good guy and who's the bad guy; the issue is the [[military industrial complex]] will sell weapons to '''''both''''' sides, Christians and Muslim terrorists, to keep the fight going (but won't sell to arms competitors, like the Russians). The deep state/military industrial complex doesn't care ''who'' gets killed or how many, but rather the more the merrier for arms sales profits. <br /> <br /> I care who gets killed, the Islamic Terrorists should get killed, and the Christians should be Free. Trump did Good Work against ISIS, unlike pathetic Obama who supported them, led by his Deep State. De Santis will do 10 times Greater Things. Support and rally around him and we win! [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:30, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::[https://www.bitchute.com/video/ROKP4Xg1ggLS/ Al-Qaeda mercenaries fighting for Ukraine complain of being paid with counterfeit money]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:44, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> :And who pays for these arms? Not Ukraine or some broke third world sh*hole, but you, the US taxpayer. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:59, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :And how does the US taxpayer pay for these arms? With money borrowed from [[China]], piling on the national debt. [[FDR]] used to respond to critics of [[deficit spending]] and the [[national debt]] by saying, "We owe it to ourselves", meaning we owe it to [[Wall Street]] or American elites. Today it's a [[foreign debt]]., [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:08, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :So yah, let's expand [[NATO]] to Asia with more money borrowed from China, so we can attack China and wipe out a debt justly owed. Makes perfect sense. But do you really think the Chinese are that stupid they can't see what's going on? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:11, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Expanding NATO into Asia will relieve the US taxpayer burden. Europe will pay more of its fair share and America won't have to go it alone. Asian Countries who are prospects join NATO are already supporting the Alliance in various ways like Japan and South Korea are. Expanding NATO into Asia makes all of us stronger and the world safer. It is a win-win for everyone except Godless Commie China. We are in Cold War 2.0. Wake up, Rob! The sooner we all see it, the better for all of us. We need Raeganite Peace through Strength against the New Evil Empire of today, which is Commie China. So many problems will become better once China has a True Democratic Revolution. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:32, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now do you understand why God commanded [[Solomon]] not to multiply horses? But Solomon disobeyed, and the kingdom was destroyed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:22, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *''" Indeed, the possibility of an American-Russian Alliance - against ISIS for e.g. which still Terrorizes much of Africa - at a not too distant date is still possible."'<br /> ::Indeed, [[Vladimir Putin]] has asked for this since nearly the day he took office (after the two Chechen wars in the 1990s), but the Bush administration, Obama administration, User:Conservative, and yourself have told him to go to hell. Now it's too late. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:53, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> He should propose it to a De Santis Administration, and it will almost certainly be accepted. If that's what Putin really wants, that is.<br /> <br /> But he needs to go back to his own country first and stop trying to take Kyiv for e.g. which he unjustly attacked and had no right to do.<br /> <br /> I did not tell him to go to hell, but only to go back to Russia's own territory. Saint John the Apostle says this: "11For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters, b if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him." (1 Jn 3:11-15). Putin should see he isn't helping anyone - certainly not Christian - by attacking a 90% Christian Country like Ukraine, not to mention 60% of whom are his brother and sister Orthodox Christians. Putin has been misled by the Deep State's own Agents within the former KGB. They play both sides and they want to promote the narrative that America and Russia are Eternal Enemies. It doesn't have to be that way. America should stop promoting Woke Ideology, which Patriarch Kirill has demanded. That's where De Santis comes in; he is the Strongest Anti-Woke Candidate America has ever seen and will be the Strongest Anti-Woke President she has ever known either. But Russia also needs to do its part for peace and that is pull out, like both the US and Russia did in Afghanistan. The sooner the better. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:36, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :It's not going to happen. We need a peacemaker like [[Richard Nixon]], when the country finally gets tired of endless wars. But you yourself are out there cheerleading for more war. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:47, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :(ec) And as noted above, a president needs diplomats and advisors to make peace, who can't get past FBI vetoes on their security clearances cause the [[military industrial complex]] controls (or is one big component of) the [[Deep state]], which controls the FBI. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:52, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Bwahahahaha! Nixon! Pathetic, Commie-appeasing, bootlicking Nixon. Watch the video I shared below, somewhere around 2-3 mins I think. Nixon was pathetic and totally messed it up. he had the opportunity of a lifetime to bring Russia closer to the West and totally blew it.<br /> <br /> Nixon is the Exact Opposite of someone we need. It is De Santis, the Raeganite minded Conservative of today. De Santis, I tell you! I'msure of it. Russia will love him because he is Anti-Woke. It's that simple. That includes Russian Christians and the Russian Church. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:55, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, Nixon should've nuked em, huh? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:56, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Deccan Herald: US House Committee recommends adding India to NATO Plus ===<br /> <br /> Yup, this is the Way Forward. A Joint US-India Alliance and expanding NATO to include India and other Asian Countries Allied to America. The Commie CCP's Worst Fear of all.<br /> <br /> "NATO Plus, currently NATO Plus 5, is a security arrangement that brings together NATO and five aligned nations - Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Israel, and South Korea - to boost global defence cooperation.<br /> <br /> Bringing India on board would facilitate seamless intelligence sharing between these countries and India would access the latest military technology without much of a time lag.<br /> <br /> The House Select Committee on the Strategic Competition between the United States and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), led by Chairman Mike Gallagher and Ranking Member Raja Krishnamoorthi, overwhelmingly adopted a policy proposal to enhance Taiwan's deterrence, including through strengthening NATO Plus to include India."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.deccanherald.com/india/china-select-committee-of-us-house-recommends-making-india-part-of-nato-plus-1222340.html [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 04:06, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now you see why the country is in such trouble - we have such incompetent leadership, even on the GOP side. And the GOP leaders have no excuse. You can't say they are just lying for [[propaganda]] purposes; no, they are just stupid and incompetent. Not only do they not have a clue about what is happening in the world, they don't understand how the world works in the first place. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:21, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Before you go off on this rah-rah NATO spiel, as a young person you need to understand a few things. For NATO to continue to exist, it needs a bogeyman. Whoever the role of bogeyman gets assigned to, that means an [[arms race]]. An arms race, in economic terms, means you have to pay for it throughout your lifetime with higher taxes, higher inflation, and less economic opportunities for yourself for educational, employment opportunities, or starting a business (cause the nation has other priorities than your private interests). Then, when push comes to shove, you see all the sacrifices you paid for advanced arms were wasted, cause all your expensive weapons don't work and are burning up in a field somewhere like Ukraine (or worse yet, are just abandoned to our enemies cause our military and political leaders knew all along they are worthless, like in Afghanistan). Then those weapons need to be replaced. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.<br /> <br /> :So, be a little more skeptical of propaganda sources before you bite off info about who the next Hitler, or who the next Reagan is (heck, I remember when Reagan was Hitler). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:08, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> '''''Breaking:'' [https://youtu.be/zqn14Xw7JE8 According to this guy,]''' who uses four sources, India is hooking up with Russia, China, Iran, and Belarus to oppose NATO & the US. <br /> <br /> Interesting term he invents here: NATO = the [[Axis of Good]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:33, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :'''''Bloomberg:''''' "China’s defense minister vowed to '''[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-15/china-defense-minister-excludes-us-in-vow-to-widen-military-ties#xj4y7vzkg strengthen military ties with a string of countries around the world, while excluding''' from that list the Asian nation’s biggest economic and geopolitical rival, '''the United States."''']<br /> <br /> :Translation: If Germany, the UK, and France (plus Italy, Canada or whoever else) wants to deepen [[economic]] and [[military]] ties (remember, military alliances are created to defend economic trading blocs) with China, they would have to leave NATO. And the entire NATO bloc's prosperity over the past 20-30 years has been built on (1) Russian energy, and (2) cheap Chinese manufactured goods. So it looks like people living in the NATO bloc outside the US have some tuff choices ahead, as they sink into despair and poverty as a result of American leadership and their relations with the United States. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:54, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === The Wire: The Siege on Manipur: Hindu Nationalists' War for Supremacy in India ===<br /> <br /> Pray for India. Modi's BJP Party must lose in May 2024 and Rahul Gandhiji must become Indian Prime Minister. That's the only way this horrible Hindutva Terrorism against Christians ends. https://thewire.in/communalism/siege-on-manipur-hindu-nationalists-war-for-ethnic-supremacy<br /> <br /> "Nazi imagination and practices of grotesque brutality are formative to Hindu nationalism. “Volksgemeinschaft” or national community was, for Nazis, the ideal society to be achieved through mass movement, statecraft, thieving, violence, race experiments, and Holocaust. The “Other” was its target.<br /> <br /> M.S. Golwalkar, an early ideologue of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), professed deep admiration for the Nazis. An inspiration to Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Golwalkar, noted: “To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic Races – the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here.” Golwalkar continued that non-Hindus in India “may stay in the country, wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation, claiming nothing, deserving no privileges… not even citizen’s rights”. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:08, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> CBN News explains: "Religious freedom experts blame India’s government for religious violence." https://youtu.be/TYDdKdLs__k [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:09, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> : I don't understand; why do you keep pushing the Ukrainian ''Volksgemeinschaft'' here? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:29, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> [[File:National Militia.PNG|right|300px|thumb|[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE6b4ao8gAQ Ukraine: On patrol with the far-right National Militia], Jonah Fisher reports, ''BBC Newsnight'', April 4, 2018.] ]] <br /> Not the topic. India's RSS is influenced by Savarkar, Golwalkar mentioned above and their Neo-Nazi Ideology that explicitly idolizes that Thug Hitler. India's Poor Christians are suffering under this travesty right now. If you cared for them, you'd at least pray for them, and try to help and support in any way you could e.g. by writing articles drawing attention to it, or material and financial support either directly to Indian Christians or to Christian Organizations like Open Doors that helps Persecuted Christians in India. Let's do that. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 23:33, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I still don't understand. Why do support Ukrainian Neo-Nazi Thugs and oppose the anti-fascist Putin, yet ask us to support antifascism in India and oppose Neo-Nazi Thugs in India? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:56, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Please don't draw false and unwarranted comparisons. Modi is brutally killing and persecuting Christians in India and you are saying this. Putin invaded Ukraine and tried to take Kyiv. There is no comparison. Modi is brutally persecuting harmless and peaceful Christians praying and worshipping in our Churches. I am an Indian Christian and I stand with fellow Persecuted Indian Christians. Updated the Persecution of Christians article: https://www.conservapedia.com/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_World_Today#Siege_on_Manipur:_Hindu_Nationalists.27_War_for_Ethnic_Supremacy [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 00:11, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :No I'm not. "Putin...tried to take Kyiv" is a blatant lie from MSM propaganda. Putin entered Ukraine to "denazify" it. Period. I don't understand the argument of supporting Ukrainian Nazi Thugs while opposing Indian Nazi Thugs.<br /> <br /> :Here is the problem that you have created for yourself: your use of Western media propaganda and lies now doesn't carry much weight trying to help Westerners understand the problems Christians face in India. So if you want help, you can begin right there. <br /> <br /> :And no, I regard [[CBN]] as cow-towing to globalism and deep state propaganda (probably to keep its [[FCC]] licenses). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:36, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> No, you are complicit in and guilty of Modi's Crimes against Christians if you refuse to condemn them. Every Serious Christian anywhere he lives is Gravely Guilty of Complicity in Modi's Crimes if he refuses to condemn them and at least pray for brother and sister Suffering Christians, if not to materially help them. Whatever you think of the Russia-Ukraine War, Modi's Persecution of Christians are Mortal Sins on his part, as is anyone supporting them, especially someone claiming to be Christian and then supporting him.<br /> <br /> Putin's attempt to take Kyiv is a Fact of History, despite your trying to Whitewash it: "Russia’s failure to take down Kyiv was a defeat for the ages" https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-battle-for-kyiv-dc559574ce9f6683668fa221af2d5340<br /> <br /> I oppose Putin also because his actions have caused Millions of Ukrainians, most of whom are Christians, to suffer external and internal displacement because of his unjust War. But Modi's Evil Actions in relative peace-time are something else altogether. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:30, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Putin deceives some people because he claims to be Christian - thus many cannot see that his actions, which have led to some 10 MN Ukrainians, most of whom are Christians, suffering, are in fact Anti-Christian, and favor the Radical Islamists, of whom Putin is a careless dupe. But Modi's Anti-Christian Actions should be clear and plain for all the world to see. They are of Anti-Christ, period. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:35, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :(ec) I only have a vague outline of the events in Manipur from a few sources I haven't been able to get to yet (as another CP editor has been trolling me relentlessly for weeks and has eaten into much of my time). But your use of the term "Nazi Thugs" while excusing Ukrainian Nazi Thugs gives me pause. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:36, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Here is [https://www.bitchute.com/video/4UCV94iIMzq5/ an example of the Ukrainian ''Volksgemeinshaft'']. Gimme something similar, if you can. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:41, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Let me expand on this: The sources I have collected from India (which I haven't been able to get to yet cause of trolling) are qualified; I will not accept MSNBC or any other MSM BS at face value (in fact, I'll probably deliberately ignore it). The link I provided shows a law passed by the US-backed fascist Kyiv regime, that requires all commercial transactions in Ukraine, even between native Russian speakers, to be conducted in the Ukrainian dialect. Imagine, a law in Canada - in Quebec or Montreal - requiring all transactions between native French speakers (many who do not understand English) to be conducted in English at the threat of arrest. And that's exactly what the guy who made this video did. He gives the address and name of the business at the end of the video to report a crime to the [[Ukrainian gestapo]]. <br /> <br /> ::Now, unlike French and English, Russians and Ukrainians can understand each other for the most part (like Spanish and Portuguese). In fact, the so-called "Ukrainian dialect" is really kinda like "hillbilly English" even spoken in rural areas and villages in Russia. It's just less sophisticated, with a smaller vocabulary, than the Russian that cosmopolitan city-slickers in Moscow and St. Peterburg speak. It has to borrow from Russian words, phrases, and idioms beyond its 50,000 word vocabulary (Russian, like English, is fully developed with a 400,000 word vocabulary). So the idea or concept of a "Ukrainian language" really is based on false pretenses, of which they are trying to build a ''Gemeinshaft'' at gunpoint. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:09, August 19, 2023 (EDT).<br /> <br /> === The Wire: Elections 2024 in India entering its Most Dangerous Phase ===<br /> <br /> "[[Modi]] is too good a politician not to know the value of such gestures, so his profound silence has to be traced to other, more pressing concerns. The only one that springs to mind is his growing fear that, with opposition unity solidifying from month to month, the BJP is in danger of losing the 2024 Lok Sabha elections. So he has gone back to the one antidote with which he is familiar, and which worked unfailingly in Gujarat, and in the 2019 Lok Sabha elections. This is stirring up hatred of Muslims and other minorities in the Hindu majority. He did not plan the Manipur violence, but these played into his hands just as the Pulwama attack had done four years ago. It is against this background that one needs to examine the riots that broke out in Nuh.<br /> <br /> How dangerously irresponsible Prime Minister Modi’s behaviour is can be judged by comparing it with that of his predecessor Atal Behari Vajpayee. When, within months of the NDA coming to power in 1998, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and the Bajrang Dal raised a hue and cry against conversions to Islam and Christianity, began to attack Christian priests and nuns and vandalise churches, Vajpayee sharply criticised their lawlessness and undertook a fast to force BJP-ruled state governments to take stern action. When cadres of the Bajrang Dal set fire to the car in which [[Graham Staines]], an Australian Christian missionary, and his two sons were sleeping outside a church in Odisha, and burned them alive, he took immediate action. Mass arrests followed, and in less than four years, Dara Singh, the main culprit was in prison, sentenced to death, while his accomplices received lesser sentences.<br /> <br /> When the VHP began another campaign against the conversion of tribals to Christianity in the Dang district of Gujarat, Vajpayee pushed the state government to end it forthwith. He also called a conclave of the BJP’s coalition partners and set up a National Coordination Committee headed by George Fernandes as a counterweight to the RSS within his government. That balancing act gave India one of the best governments it has had since Independence.<br /> <br /> When the Gujarat riots began on February 28, 2002, after repeatedly failing to contact Modi on the phone, Vajpayee sent defence minister Fernandes to Ahmedabad to call in the army to end the violence. When he visited Ahmedabad a month later, he openly criticised Modi at the Shahpur refugee camp stating, “Main yahan lashe ginane nahi aaya hoon. Aman kayam rakhna rajneetik neta aur adhikariyon ka zimmedari hai. (I have not come here to count the corpses. It is the responsibility of the political leaders and officials to maintain peace.)”<br /> <br /> From: https://thewire.in/politics/elections-2024-india-most-dangerous-phase<br /> <br /> Graham Staines in red. No article on him yet for Conservapedia? Almost incredible. Edit: Added now. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:33, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Video from China Uncensored: How long till China betrays Russia ==<br /> <br /> This Video mentions the Open Secret that China has never cared for Russia and is probably soon going to betray it. It is a pity Vladimir Putin thinks Godless Communist China can ever be trusted to be Russia's Friend.<br /> <br /> https://youtu.be/_k_GMnVrYeU [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:50, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :It won't happen until China and Russia break the back of US domination, first. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:53, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Watch the video please. It explains Nixon and Kissinger totally messed it up. Worst incompetents ever, or acting on orders from the Deep State. We need someone to take the Deep State down. De Santis is the Best and Logical Choice. He also understands the Evil Empire is China, not Russia. Down with Commie China's CCP!!! [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:56, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> See between 3-4 mins where Commie Thug Geng Biao gives the Game and the Secret Away: "We allowed Nixon's Visit, not in the least because of positive feelings toward the US. WE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SOVIET-US CONFLICT". Wake up, America! [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:59, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Deep State took Nixon down. It would be easy to say cause he tried to make peace with Russia and China, but that isn't half the story. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:31, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Visual Politics EN: What Do Military Simulations Show About Taiwan? ===<br /> <br /> "What would happen if Beijing ultimately decides to invade Taiwan? Would the island be able to withstand the attack by the People's Republic of China? What role could the United States play? Would the U.S. military be able to withstand the Chinese onslaught? In this video we tell you all the details."<br /> <br /> https://youtu.be/B17LzRNesvg [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:35, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :For serious students, this is classic [[propaganda]]. The headline should read, "What would happen if China ultimately decides to invade itself?" [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 10:31, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === "Branded" - Christian Movie on Persecution of Christians under the CCP ===<br /> <br /> "Li Chenxi has attended gatherings and read the Bible with her parents since she was little. In 1988 at just 13 years old, she's arrested while attending a gathering, then locked up in a small, dark room for one day and two nights. From then on, the CCP never stops persecuting her. She's once again arrested by the police at 17 for sending books of God's words to other brothers and sisters in the church. In an effort to force her to reveal the source of the books, the police brutally beat her father right in front of her, and parade her through the streets labeled as a "political prisoner." In 1996, the police come to arrest Li Chenxi once again. She has no choice but to flee her hometown and begin the life of a fugitive. The CCP police's frequent harassment and intimidation leaves her entire family living in a constant state of terror. Unable to withstand the long-term stress and fear, her mother has a mental breakdown, and her father, who already suffered from health problems, sees his condition deteriorate even further because of the police's brutal beating. A once-happy family is thus torn apart. While on the run, Li Chenxi joins brothers and sisters in spreading the gospel all over the country. They suffer under the CCP's reign of terror, suppressed and arrested time and time again. Some brothers and sisters are arrested and then savagely tortured. Some are beaten to death, and some are given prison sentences of more than 10 years. In late 2012, Li Chenxi is arrested once again while sharing the gospel and undergoes four long months of interrogations, attempts to extort confessions, and brainwashing."<br /> <br /> From: https://youtu.be/WF-eQwccT1c [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:37, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Russia expresses Appreciation for Catholic Church's Efforts under Pope Francis to Promote Peace ==<br /> <br /> Nice to see. What I love about the Catholic Church is She is Truly Universal. She is Asian, African, European and American, and Australian. She is all things to all people, as Christ commanded us to be. And now Russia appreciates the Vatican's Efforts to Promote Peace. Let's hope Peace breaks out soon in these calamitous times:<br /> <br /> #Russia expresses appreciation for Vatican's efforts to help with situation in #Ukraine<br /> <br /> Comment in link: "Lord give us mercy and end the war in Ukraine and other conflicts around the world 🙏"<br /> <br /> https://youtu.be/8BfTFP_RtFA [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:04, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, did you see Zelensky just had the Satanic Nazi [[Azov Battalion]] take over the [[Kiev Pechersk Lavra]] last week? You'll probably have trouble finding sources in English. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:36, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Machine translation: [https://www.politnavigator.net/kievo-pecherskuyu-lavru-zaselyat-boevikami-azova.html Kyiv-Pechersk Lavra will be populated by Azov militants], with a photo of the Nazi thugs lined up outside the monastery where St. Ceril translated the bible and is buried. <br /> :The article itself is difficult reading cause it has a tone of resignation about many facts it assumes the reader is familiar with. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:47, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Jackson Hinkle: [https://youtu.be/rqdE2AV_ccc Ukraine ARRESTS Christians For Praying At Monastery]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:53, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :German Chancellor [[Olaf Scholz]] claims [https://youtu.be/h4hGqoZj73U those seeking peace in Ukraine are the black angels coming straight from hell.] Hmmm, does this mean [[Pope Francis]] is coming straight out of hell? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:30, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Will he or won't he? Trump "tempted" to attend the First GOP Presidential Debate ==<br /> <br /> He should. "Former President Donald Trump has not decided whether or not he will attend the first Republican presidential debate. NBC News Correspondent Garrett Haake reports the latest from Trump’s campaign."<br /> <br /> https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-is-tempted-to-attend-the-first-gop-presidential-debate-190806085695 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 23:31, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, so now we're depending on [[NBC News]] for reporting on Trump. Have they fired [[Ken Delanian]] or any of the other [[CIA]] [[troll]]s on the payroll yet? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:47, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Nope, not depending on them, and don't know the answer to your question. The issue here for Conservatives is whether Trump will show up or not. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:00, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The issue for [[conservative]]s is how much of anything they can believe coming from NBC News. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:20, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :NBC News does not provide information or news - they sell a product - in the same way [[Anheuser-Busch]] sells Bud Lite, Mattel Toys the [https://www.bitchute.com/video/FMBCWF5uqGJl/ Transgender Barbie], or [[Disney]] sells [[pedophilia]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:22, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Do you think Trump will show up for the Debate or not? [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:39, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :If his poll numbers rise after the latest indictments, probably not; it they remain flat or suffer, then yah he'll show up. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:13, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Fair Enough. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 07:52, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Trump confirms his intellectually lazy plan to skip the Debate===<br /> <br /> Well, there you go: "Former President Donald Trump on Friday announced he would skip Wednesday’s first Republican presidential debate in favor of a one-on-one interview with a friendly right-wing commentator – the second time in as many days that he backed out of an event that spelled trouble for his multiple and overlapping criminal defense strategies."<br /> <br /> https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2023-08-18/trump-backtracks-on-debate-blockbuster-press-conference [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:54, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> If Trump was confident he could handle and even parry attacks on his record, he would have showed up and answered questions. De Santis will. Trump and De Santis are the only serious contenders in this thing, and with Trump awoling, De Santis has an opening. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:56, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The RNC has allowed a proxy, [[Byron Donalds]], to sit in, last I heard.<br /> <br /> :And the ratings review of Tucker's simultaneous interview with Trump measured against FOX ratings wil tell the tale (not just of Trump, but the future of cable TV "news" vs. [[social media]]. This will affect advertising rates for years to come). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:30, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> "What’s Next: A big debate … without Donald Trump.<br /> Mr. DeSantis faces the biggest test of his campaign on Wednesday: the first Republican presidential primary debate of the 2024 race, in Milwaukee.<br /> <br /> Mr. Trump appears to be skipping the debate, handing Mr. DeSantis an opportunity to take the spotlight. From: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/20/us/politics/desantis-stump-speech.html<br /> <br /> Governor De Santis has a Great Opportunity to control the narrative and focus on his record, his policies and the issues in the Debate. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 02:22, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :''NYT'': "handing Mr. DeSantis an opportunity to take the spotlight". Lol.<br /> <br /> :C'mon, I had hoped to use this page to conduct a seminar on how to spot [[propaganda]], not spread more of it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:33, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now why would NYT say that since Ramaswamy has been burying DeSantis? Doesn't the NYT read its own news? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:35, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> The article continues: "But the former president’s absence also means Mr. DeSantis, as the stand-in front-runner, will most likely come under withering fire from rival candidates. How he handles those attacks could define his image in the eyes of many voters tuning into the primary race for the first time." so it's hardly favorable or friendly to De Santis. It's just reporting on the State of the Race as it sees it. It was Trump's Choice not to show up. That creates both Opportunities and Threats for Governor De Santis, who'll be Centre Stage. at the Debate now since he's the leading contender among Actual Debaters. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 02:46, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :"the stand-in front-runner" at 5%, but Ramaswamy with 13% can kiss off cause he's Indian. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:44, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :"DeSantis faces the biggest test of his campaign on Wednesday"; DeSantis is looking more and more like [[Kamala]]. She had all big money endorsements and personnel of the [[DNC]] establishment, including [[Marc Elias]], [[Christopher Steele]]'s paymaster, as General Counsel. She dropped out in December before the January primaries started. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:05, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> For someone who claims near-personal-infallibility in being able to filter through the MSM propaganda, Rob, you could do a better job at it! The Liberal Media is now pushing the Narrative that Ron De Santis cannot win. That's obvious. Very obvious. Meanwhile, here are facts.<br /> <br /> "The NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll released early Monday found that 42 percent of likely Republican caucus attendees in Iowa listed Trump as their first choice, giving the former president a 23-point lead over DeSantis, who was picked by 19 percent ...<br /> <br /> Republican Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.) came in third place with 9 percent support in the new survey, followed by former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley and former Vice President Mike Pence, who each received 6 percent. Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie received 5 percent support, conservative entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy received 4 percent, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum received 2 percent and former Rep. Will Hurd received 1 percent. No other candidate received more than 1 percent support."<br /> <br /> So first point (1) Trump is the Clear Front-Runner at 42 % and De Santis is the Clear 2nd Front-Runner after Trump around 20%. Ramaswamy whom you mentioned meanwhile is at 4%, behind Sen. Tim Scott, Nikki Haley and Christie though above the rest like Doug Burgum and Will Hurd.<br /> <br /> Next, (2) De Santis is still being actively considered by exactly 22% of other GOP Voters, which means he could break even with Trump.<br /> <br /> From: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4162034-trump-holds-23-point-lead-over-desantis-among-iowa-republican-caucusgoers-survey/<br /> <br /> "Twenty percent of likely GOP caucus goers listed DeSantis as their second choice, with an additional 22 percent saying they were still actively considering the Florida governor." This would happen gradually as the field winnows and other candidates drop out. De Santis is not going anywhere. There's a very good chance he'll continue to be 20%+ while multiple candidates remain then move to 30-40% after that. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 09:06, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :"NBC News poll". Lol.<br /> <br /> :Iowa, where all the money is being spent. Nationally Trump is at 60% and DeSantis 3rd at 5%. And the debate ''is not'' in Iowa. IOWs, the debate is about national issues, not Iowa farm issues. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:11, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You yourself just said Trump is the clear frontrunner with 42% in Iowa; no, I would disagree. Trump is the "clear frontrunner" nationally with 60%, but in Iowa, if Trump were to step in doggie doo-doo and lose 1%, and all 22% "thinking" about DeSantis switched, DeSantis would win. In theory Trump is "catchable" in Iowa, but nationally he's the clear choice. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:20, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Lol. There is no National Primary. The First Primary is the Iowa Primary and there Evangelical Christians are Dominant. Pro-Life, Anti-Woke Governor Ron De Santis is clearly the Conservative Christian Candidate of Choice.<br /> <br /> Next, it's even better than I thought. Note the wording carefully: "Twenty percent of likely GOP caucus goers listed DeSantis as their second choice, with an additional 22 percent saying they were still actively considering the Florida governor."<br /> <br /> So, (1) 19% support De Santis as first choice (2) 20% listed De Santis as second choice (3) AN ADDITIONAL 22 % say they are still actively considering the Florida governor. Can we put it all together and tally it? That means De Santis could win 19+20+22= a whopping 61%!!!<br /> <br /> That's Amazing! And that's the Reality of Conservative Governor Ron De Santis' Amazing Popularity with the Base the Press is hiding. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 09:30, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :No, you can't. You can't make their 2nd choice their first choice. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:33, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWs, the 22% are the undecideds. The 20% are committed. To make a leap in logic like you propose you need an entirely new alleged "scientific" poll. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:35, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Here's a simple mathematical and scientific formula you can use as a rule of thumb: NBC + NYT = BS. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:39, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Reminder: In Dec 2022, Governor Ron De Santis was CRUSHING Trump by 23 Points ==<br /> <br /> "In a new poll regarding potential Republican nominees for president in 2024, the Florida governor, Ron DeSantis, led Donald Trump by 23 points." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/14/first-thing-ron-desantis-takes-huge-lead-over-trump-in-republican-poll<br /> <br /> The only reason De Santis' measurable support declined a bit is because (1) De Santis was too focused on the Actual Hard Work of Governing rather than enjoying himself doing nothing or just campaigning - you know, like Trump raising the Debt by 8 TN Dollars, while De Santis ran Record Budget Surpluses - that Governing. (2) And because, the Press started their fake narrative that De Santis could not win. And also (3) because Trump attacked De Santis, but De Santis mistakenly didn't Punch Back (later he did) initially. I'd have advised him to.<br /> <br /> Just wait and watch. Let the Debates pass and let's see how the candidates do. By Dec 2023, De Santis could well be leading again. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 09:38, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Yep. It shows the [[corruption]], influence, and [[brainwashing]] big money can bring into the alleged "democratic" process. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:41, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Nope, that was his Excellent Record delivering Budget Surpluses, fighting the Woke Left, being Pro-Life, Anti-Fauci, Pro-Freedom etc that did that. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 10:04, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :And it's all been downhill since. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:15, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Bombshell Breaking: Two Constitutional scholars say Trump disqualified in 2024 race ==<br /> <br /> Not a constitutional expert myself, so I'll pass. But if Trump does actually become disqualified, well, then De Santis breaks 50% easily.<br /> <br /> https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/08/20/sotu-luttig-tribe-full.cnn [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 10:03, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Not even worth commenting on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:16, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, and who exactly is going to "disqualify" Trump? The Supreme Court? The Biden regime? the divided Congress? the CIA? [[Christopher Wray]] and the FBI? the [[United Nations]]? the [[World Court]]? the MSM? the [[Deep State]]? Who? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:20, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Lemme guess: some Mickey Mouse [[Soros mercenary]] [[DA]] can thwart the will of 70+ million voters by filing charges in local court. This is why American [[democracy]] is a model for [[Ukraine]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:25, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Let's revise our formula: CNN + NBC + NYT = BS(3). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:27, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> I do not know if it will happen or not. All I know is De Santis can beat Trump and do well regardless of whether this happens. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:00, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :That's what you, the big money [[Wall Street]] Republican [[establishment]], [[Deep State]] [[uniparty]], [[WEF]] [[globalist]]s and their controlled media believe. Common folk think different. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:15, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Common Folk gave Governor De Santis a 23 POINT LEAD over Donald Duck just a few months ago. Then Donald began his vicious attacks on the saintly Governor. Too bad the Governor was too much of a Gentleman to Punch Back for a Long Time, I'd have advised him to start doing so right away, otherwise precisely what has happened would happen. But it doesn't matter. Their record speaks for itself. One increases debt by 8 TN. One runs Record Budget Surpluses. One risks everything to join the Navy and Serve the Country. One runs away from the Draft and calls his battle with STDs while living in fornication his own personal Vietnam. Other is a model Husband and Father who faithfully fought for his wife and stood by her when she had Breast Cancer and her children couldn't understand what was going on. No prizes for guessing which is which and who will be better for America in the end.[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:31, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Big money donors, rigged polling, and the MSM gave him that supposed lead. What are you saying? are the common folk who have since seen the light stupid?<br /> :Bottomline, Trump was not a declared candidate at the time of that poll. DeSantis was. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:51, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if DeSantis went to 52% after announcing, that would have been something to write home about. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:58, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Nope. Trump was: "After months of speculation, Trump announced his candidacy for president in a November 15, 2022 speech to supporters at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida." The poll was in December 2022, so after this. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:52, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> And De Santis certainly wasn't a Declared Candidate at that time, since he only declared his Candidacy in May 2023 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:53, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :My bad. You're probably right. It goes to show you how far the deep state conspiracy against Trump had progressed already by December 2022. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:18, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Lol. The Deep State, and the Liberal Media that does its will, want Trump back since they can beat him, whereas De Santis will beat them. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:23, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Fourteenth Amendment (1868) says, "No person shall be...President...who, having previously taken an oath...to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."<br /> <br /> :This clause refers to people who served in elected office before the Civil War, then in elected office under the Confederacy, and then wanted to run for election after the Union was restored. In general, former Confederates were amnestied in 1872. A disqualification of this kind can only be enforced by the secretaries of state for the various states.<br /> <br /> :January 6 was a demonstration protected by the First Amendment. The only way the 14th Amendment applies is if "insurrection" is interpreted to mean "something the Democratic Party doesn't like."<br /> <br /> :This theory has been hashed over in the press more than once already. I would not call it a "bombshell." That it comes up again suggests that the MSN is once again worried that Trump can actually beat Biden in an election. In short, their fallback position is legalistic handwaving. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:46, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == CNBC: Trump holds big lead in new Iowa poll, but DeSantis and Scott see paths to victory ==<br /> <br /> "KEY POINTS<br /> <br /> Former President Donald Trump holds a double-digit lead over Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in a major new poll of likely Republican caucusgoers in Iowa.But the Des Moines Register/NBC News/Mediacom poll also found that a majority of respondents were still undecided as to who they will support, leaving a door open for Trump’s rivals.The poll was released days before the first Republican primary debate and the same week Trump is required to surrender to authorities in Georgia, where he faces more than dozen felony counts ...<br /> <br /> But Trump’s advantage is still not ironclad, according to the joint survey conducted by the Des Moines Register, NBC News and Mediacom. Fully 52% of respondents said they had not yet decided who they would support, while 40% said they were certain."<br /> <br /> https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/21/trump-leads-desantis-in-iowa-poll-ahead-of-first-republican-debate.html [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:41, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Fox: DeSantis campaign boasts endorsements, latest poll numbers as signs of momentum in Iowa ===<br /> <br /> De Santis is doing extremely well in Iowa, despite the Fake News Media trying to create a Fake Narrative to the contrary. The below proves it.<br /> <br /> "Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has received a historic 40 endorsements from Iowa state legislators, his campaign says<br /> <br /> Republican presidential candidate Ron DeSantis' campaign is boasting of endorsements and the latest poll numbers as signaling growing ground support in Iowa. <br /> <br /> DeSantis’ team said he’s received a historic 40 endorsements from state legislators and has a total of 120 county-level chairs supporting him – at least one in each of the state’s 99 counties. That’s the most of any candidate in the race, DeSantis campaign spokeswoman Carly Atchison told Fox News Digital. <br /> <br /> The Florida governor — just months away from Iowa caucus day — also has more than 10,000 Iowans committed to caucus for him, representing one-fifth of the total Iowans who caucused for former presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, when Cruz won the Iowa caucuses in 2016 ...<br /> <br /> Despite having more than $20 million spent against him, DeSantis is still viewed as favorable by two-thirds of likely caucus-goers, the highest favorability of any candidate in the field, according to a new Des Moines Register/NBC News/Mediacom Iowa Poll of 406 likely Republican caucus-goers conducted Aug. 13-17 ...<br /> <br /> The Des Moines Register poll shows 66% of respondents viewed DeSantis favorably, compared to 29% who saw him as unfavorable. This was ahead of the current frontrunner, former President Donald Trump, who was viewed as favorable by 65% of respondents. <br /> <br /> DeSantis is also the first choice, second choice or being actively considered by 61% of likely caucus-goers, just slightly behind the 63% of respondents who said the same for Trump. No other candidate has broken out of single digits."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/desantis-campaign-boasts-endorsements-latest-poll-numbers-sign-momentum-iowa [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:44, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Polish Army soon to be the strongest in Europe ==<br /> <br /> "Polish Army getting ready for any confrontation against Wagner! Polish Army will soon be the strongest in Europe! <br /> 500+ HIMARS<br /> 600 heavy artillery<br /> 1000 K2 tanks<br /> 96 apaches <br /> 32 F-35’s<br /> 48 light combat aircraft <br /> (#UkraineRussianWar️ #Poland" From Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/JamesPower91/status/1690681947360477184<br /> <br /> See also: "Poles have been on quite the buying spree including 366 Abrams, 32 F-35 fighters. From Korea: 180 K2 Black Panther tanks, 200 K9 howitzers, 48 FA-50 light attack aircraft, and 218 K239 rocket launchers with more many to come by decade's end. Belarus should be very careful :)" https://twitter.com/UkraineDiary/status/1693712502553473420 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:58, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Yep. And what a tragedy that is. The Polish adult male population (aged 15 on up) are the next to be targeted for extermination as cannon fodder in the NATO trained and equipped meatgrinders. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:13, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Wake up and smell the bleach. Reporting that Poland is going to replace Ukraine as Europe's strongest NATO proxy is an admission Ukraine got its butt kicked and was defeated with NATO training and equipment. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:15, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> "he could analyze the position of the Catholic bishops of Ukraine. He instead considers Ukrainians only as an object of manipulations by western globalists and that is offensive to us. Our country is not just a battlefield between the United States and Russia, it is a sovereign country with a population of about 40 million people with one of the biggest areas in Europe. And it is our country that was attacked by Russia, and it is our army that spends a war for the freedom of our people." https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/interview-priest-society-saint-josaphat-war-ukraine-73867<br /> <br /> Poland and NATO are going to win. Its over for the Kremlin. This or that skirmish aside, that will be the long term result.<br /> <br /> The numbers, the results, the weapons, the relative population and gdp of Russia and NATO etc leave little doubt about that conclusion.[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:26, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Ukraine lost its sovereignty. It's owned by [[BlackRock]] now. Only BlackRock will have to negotiate with Putin (through the [[US State Department]] or whatever intermediary) for what the borders of the [[rump state]] will be, only NATO will not be there to defend it after the negotiations and agreement are finalized. My guess is, BlackRock may wish to liquidate their holdings at a loss eventually. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:33, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :'''Poland update''' (elections in October): [https://korybko.substack.com/p/polands-ruling-party-is-panicking? Poland’s Ruling Party Is Panicking After A Rural Populist Just Allied With The Opposition]. [[NATO]]-backed warmongers may be on their way out, if you can trust [[democracy]] and [[globalist]]s haven't rigged Poland's elections. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:07, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> In Britain, both Ruling Party and Opposition are Pro-Ukraine. In Poland, have you checked how it is? I haven't, so might check later, but I suspect it could be the same. It is Russia/the Kremlin that wants to steal Ukraine's Sovereignty. Ukraine is caught between "the devil and the deep blue sea", between "a rock and a hard place" as the sayings go. It will need NATO and EU support, as well as of private enterprises to rebuild its economy which Russia destroyed. But it remains a Sovereign Nation with a Wartime President whom some 90% of its citizens support, as I posted down below. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:10, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Too bad the UK is not a [[democracy]], huh? It's just another [[totalitarian]] [[globalist]] slave state with a controlled media, worse than Canada or the US, about to face more covid [[lockdown]]s, mask mandates, and [[vaccine mandate]]s. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:59, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :[https://www.gbnews.com/news/watch-outrage-as-woman-praying-silently-is-arrested-in-uk-street-taken-away-by-police-for-a-thoughtcrime/411506 Christian woman arrested for praying in her head outside UK abortion clinic]. This would never happen in Putin's Russia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:03, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Right now, we need to focus on denazifying the [[White House]]. And DeSantis is in bed with the [[globalist]] money donors who support the [[Deep State]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:12, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> I'm aware of that UK Incident, and I posted it here on Conservapedia and condemned it. It would never happen in De Santis' America either, yet you are unwilling to help do your part to make that happen, thus letting down your Christian brothers and sisters and handing them to the Woke Mob. Only De Santis is a Credible Culture Warrior and Conservative Christian Candidate who can beat the WOKE Pro-Abort/LGBT Left. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:19, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Poll: 95% of Ukrainians trust Military, nearly 90% want to join NATO ==<br /> <br /> "Some 95% of Ukrainians trust the Armed Forces of Ukraine and 80% trust President Volodymyr Zelensky, according to the poll published on June 30 by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) and the National Democratic Institute (NDI).<br /> <br /> Up to 94% of respondents said it is important to have a fully functioning democracy, which is a significant increase compared to 76% in December 2021." https://kyivindependent.com/poll-95-ukrainians-trust-military-80-trust-zelensky/<br /> <br /> See also: In February 2023, over 90 percent of the Ukrainian population approved of the activities of Volodymyr Zelenskyy as the president of the country. The approval rating was at approximately the same level as in June 2022. Zelenskyy's popularity within the country was significantly higher in 2022, when Russia invaded Ukraine, than in 2021."https://www.statista.com/statistics/1100076/volodymyr-zelensky-s-approval-rating-ukraine/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:04, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, the [[Kyiv Independent]], you mean the CIA/[[NED]] mouthpiece. That's nice to know. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:13, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :What this propaganda piece means is, after the civilian [[Zelensky regime]] collapses in another month or so and Zelensky flees, Gen. [[Zaluzhnyi]] or Syrsky takes over as president and head of a military junta, then opens negotiations with Russia. Russia however has no reason to talk, and will demand all NATO advisors leave and NATO arms shipments cease before any peace negotiations begin. So follow the status of Biden's $24 billion request in Congress, cause that must stop right there first before there can be any peace talks. <br /> <br /> :As to this Article 5 stuff in the ''Politico'' piece below, forget it. It's NATO trying to cover its butt after its defeat and disaster. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:52, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Politico Opinion Piece - 3 Ways the Ukraine War could end===<br /> {|class="infobox" style="float:right; font-size:85%; width:1ex; line-height:17px; margin: 0px 0px 5px 50px" cellpadding="1"<br /> |[[File:As long as it takes.PNG|310px]]<br /> |[[File:Ukraine as long as it takes.PNG|320px]]<br /> |-<br /> |colspan="3"|<hr/>Yah yah yah we've heard all this bs before and know the endgame. 'Fool me once, shame on you...'<br /> |-<br /> |colspan="3"|<hr/><br /> |}<br /> Point 3 is that the War could conceivably end, with part of Ukraine joining NATO, at the July 2024 NATO Summit in Washington:<br /> <br /> "Fortunately, there is a third possible way to satisfy the need for Ukrainian success and Russian failure, over which Putin would have no veto.<br /> <br /> In this scenario, the United States would give the Ukrainian military whatever it needs to advance as far as possible in its counteroffensive. At an appropriate point next year, Ukraine would declare a pause in offensive military operations and shift its primary focus to defending and rebuilding liberated areas while integrating with Western institutions. Then, at its July, 2024 summit in Washington, NATO would invite Ukraine to join the Western alliance, guaranteeing the security of all territory controlled by the Ukrainian government at that point under Article 5 of the NATO treaty.<br /> <br /> Offering Article 5 protection to Ukrainian territory in this fashion would be akin to admitting a divided Germany to NATO after World War II and to America’s security pact with South Korea after the armistice that halted the Korean War without reunifying the Korean Peninsula. This would be a defensive pact, but not a commitment to take direct part in any future offensive operations Ukraine might choose to undertake." https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/08/18/how-to-end-ukraine-war-00111752 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:17, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Yah, this news is a couple of days old. What's happening is the blame game. NATO and the US [[intel community]] want out, but don't want to be seen as the losers. So they have to blame [[Zelensky]] and [[Ukrainian]]s as cowards. Zelensky may not be that stupid, that he doesn't see the handwriting on the wall, that he's about to get dumped like the Afghan National government, the government of South Vietnam, the [[Shah of Iran]], [[Ferdinand Marcos]], Guido in Venezuela, etc etc etc etc. So you can take your "as long as it takes" rhetoric we've heard for 18 months now and stick it up your butt (as I've been warning). NATO is just trying to create some excuse to get to get the H out without being seen as the loser. <br /> :If NATO wants to grant Ukraine Article 5 status, fine. Let NATO come back itself and fight Russia, now that NATO has virtually exterminated the adult male population of Ukraine with BS promises.<br /> :When Russia set out to denazify Ukraine 18 months ago, it was fully prepared to demilitarize and denazify NATO and Western Europe, if necessary. They've only partially succeeded in demilitarizing NATO. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:52, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Biden could have sent over F-16s and ended this war a long time ago. Why didn't he? Perhaps it has something to do with the [https://nypost.com/2022/01/27/chinese-elite-have-paid-some-31m-to-hunter-and-the-bidens/ $31 million in Chinese money] or the [https://nypost.com/2022/10/17/hunter-bidens-real-estate-firm-received-over-100m-from-russian-oligarch/ $100 million in Russian money] that Hunter has collected. Like Deep Throat said, follow the money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 13:46, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::We've discussed the F-16s extensively on this page; they are not the gamechanger, and the only difference they make is raising the threat of nuclear war. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:08, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::They may send 6 over there (where they take off from remains a problem); after the first 1 or 2 are shot down, the American defense contractors will have gathered enough intelligence (presumably) about Russia's advanced air defense systems ([[S-400]], for example) and electronic warfare to integrate into the design of the [[F-35]]. That's it. After that, the war is over, and Ukraine's use as an "experimental testing ground" (Zelensky & Reznikov's words) is over. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:13, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The Russians talk about a nuclear response all the time. The most common threat these days is not about F-16s or any other specific weapons system, but rather that they will use nukes if they are losing the war. This of course suggests that the military balance has already turned against them. As we saw in Afghanistan, Biden has a thing for losing wars. Whatever terms Putin wants, I'm sure Biden would make an effort to accommodate. Just have another oligarch send an additional $100 million over to Hunter.<br /> <br /> ::::Putin to likes to win wars, Biden likes to lose them. Why can't they make a deal? The problem is that Putin isn't fighting for Crimea, Donbass, Mariupol, or any other item that Biden can accommodate him on. For Putin to stay in power, he needs endless war. If Russian forces ever reach Kyiv, they will continue to Poland or Moldova. After all, Putin is at war with Nato, not Ukraine. George Orwell explained how this works in ''Nineteen-Eighty Four.'' [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 15:31, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Russia won the war over a year ago. You've been exposed to ''waaay'' too much Western propaganda. <br /> <br /> :::::It looks like right now funding will be cut off (even Dem Ranking Members in the House admit the war is lost); the [[CIA]] wants out. The problem is NATO covering its butt, cause nobody wants to admit defeat.<br /> <br /> :::::So this means a negotiated settlement on Russia's terms, which could take place before year end, or a continued losing fight which the peoples of Europe and America don't want, and more Ukrainians exterminated by NATO & Biden regime policy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:03, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::We're at the point Hitler was at in February 1943 after the surrender at [[Stalingrad]]. The war was lost, but Hitler fought on for more than two years, causing needless deaths of millions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:07, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Put succinctly, if Congress gives Biden the $24 billion he asked for, it means more Ukrainian dead and more territory lost. Either way, the war ends now, next year in 2024, or in 2025 - the war ends on Russia's terms. <br /> <br /> :::::The American people are not ready to be mobilized for war with Russia, neither are the European after the last Ukrainian is killed. America does not have the factories to build weapons, nor does it have the trained workers to work in those factories.<br /> <br /> :::::If you want nukes as America's first line of defense since we can't build the conventional weapons, or the ships and aircraft to transport them to the battlefield, or the fuel to power them, fine. It won't defend America from nuclear attack. The only alternative is for NATO to get the H out of Ukraine, and never return. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:35, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Heh. Laughable. You are living in Dream-Land, Rob, but I will not be the one to wake you up right now. I'll let harsh reality do that later. A word to the wise, you cant' fight statistics.<br /> <br /> Will repost something I shared in the Conservapedia Debate on this: "Ukraine/NATO will win. Will explain why later as I'm busy writing other articles now.<br /> <br /> For now, just consider the GDP and Population of Russia vs NATO Respectively.<br /> <br /> NATO GDP: > 40 Trillion Dollars. Russia GDP: less than 2 Trillion Dollars.<br /> <br /> NATO Population: Around 1 Billion People: Russia Population: less than 150 MN.<br /> <br /> No contest. No contest. Russia knows this, which is why it will never invade Finland (or any NATO Country)." That says it all. Putin's Kremlin knew it had itself caused Finland and Sweden to join NATO, but it was then forced to accept it, and will not risk invading then. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:16, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Rob says Stalingrad 1943. My historical analogy is Afghanistan 1986. At that time, some traitor deputy CIA director was holding up approval for the Stinger missile. Once it was approved, the Soviet Union was history. Today, we have the same situation with Atacms, long-range HIMARS, and F-16s. The Russians know exactly who to pay off to stop delivery. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 17:31, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::(ec) The United States doesn't even manufacture [[TNT]] which is required for artillery shells.<br /> <br /> ::Democratically speaking, the majority of the population in NATO countries in Europe and North America oppose further escalation, so the 1 billion figure is meaningless. 2/3 of the planet support Russia.<br /> <br /> ::GDP numbers measured in dollars is meaningless. It's calculated by exchange rates, and takes no account of the value of resources and their reserves like oil, gold, uranium, etc which Russia is among the world's largest holders and producers (IOWs, the method of calculation is flawed; that's how NATO blundered into the war). With [[de-dollarization]], the exchange rate has no future in those calculations. <br /> <br /> ::Here's a dirty little secret that I don't have the time or space to go into why, here and now: The United States, since the beginning of the [[Cold War]], has never depended on conventional weapons as its first line of defense. The United States has always relied on [[nuclear weapon]]s for the simple fact the US could NEVER compete the with the Soviet Union then, or Russia now, in conventional arms production. It costs more to produce a tank to transport it to the battlefield in Europe cause enough ships and planes also have to be built to transport the weapons in any significant or equal numbers. And Russia can always raise the cost to the US by producing more, and delivering them to the battlefield, quicker. <br /> <br /> ::Heck, the US could never compete with German tank production, then or now, for the same reasons.<br /> <br /> ::Succinctly, the cost of building conventional weapons throughout the Cold War and until now, as it has been represented to the American taxpayer, has ALWAYS been a fraud, and is just a [[boondoggle]] to Congressional districts. The US has never relied on conventional weapons as its first line of defense, the Soviets then, and the Russians now, have always known this. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:42, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Russia went into this war in 2022 knowing the United States, even with its NATO allies, cannot win a conventional war against Russia. If nukes are to be used, it will the US decision. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:52, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The United States has always relied on its "first strike" capabilities - not a "last resort" = these scenarios using both conventional and nuclear have been gamed out routinely on both sides for many years. And they have been openly discussed in arms control talks. Since about 2013, the same nitwits who came up with idea of overthrowing the Ukraine government, have advanced the US doctrine of "[[nuclear primacy]]", i.e that the US can do a first strike and survive, or at least a 150 million Americans may survive. Of course, nobody really knows, given the total incompetence of US intellig3nce in gauging Russian military strength. <br /> <br /> : That's an eternal problem in US intelligence: they always have to decide what they should tell policymakers - what they actually know or what the decision makers want to hear. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:18, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::I never knew the full story of......how the Soviets won the Cold War. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:46, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::It's simple logistics. In WWII, the Germans and Soviets were in competition to build bigger, better tanks. The US could never compete, cause the cost of ship building had to be figured into the unit cost of each tank. The tanks had to be smaller to pack them on ships. The Russians and Germans can roll them off the assembly line straight into battle. <br /> <br /> ::::Nothing changed over the Cold War, other than the ability to deliver a few by aircraft.<br /> <br /> ::::In the 1970s, the Pentagon wanted to go a two-man tank, but Congressmen who served in tanks units in WWII wanted to stick with a 3 man tanks. Political interference in war planning and weapons design didn't really matter, cause tank production, among other conventional ground weapons, were never relied on as America's first line of defense in the event of war with the USSR. So they remained just a boondoggle for jobs in various districts.<br /> <br /> ::::In the [[Gulf War]], you saw the same thing. The US delivered 1,000 Abrams to the battlefield, a superior tank to Saddam's 6,000 T-62 (do the math, an Abrams would have to knock out six T-62s to have a 50/50 chance of survival. But they were held back and never saw action, as the A-10 Warthog knocked out all Saddam's tanks. The Abrams were there just for show, despite all the media hype. <br /> <br /> ::::You see the same thing right now - the Abrams are held back, while German [[Leopard 2]] are sent in to go toe-to-toe with T-90s. Not that the Abrams isn't in the class as a Leopard 2 or T-90, it's just that they are way more expensive (when you factor unit cost of delivery to the battlefield), and the risk of loss and replacement is too much. <br /> <br /> ::::American tanks and conventional weapons are cosmetic, cause the US has since 1949 relied on its nuclear first strike capabilities in the event of war with Russia. By the end of the Korean war, the Soviets reached nuclear parity and have held it ever since (with the theoretical exception of the [[neocon]]s who came up with this [[nuclear primacy]] doctrine in 2013, which is the cause of this current conflict, and may be implemented once all the Ukrainian, Polish, Baltic, and German proxy soldiers are dead. A nuclear first strike then will be the only option America has left if it wants to continue war.) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:32, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::This war has changed battlefield doctrines going forward permanently. [[ISR]] and drones have made maneuver warfare and "Big arrow" offensives obsolete. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:49, August 22, 2023 (EDT).<br /> <br /> ::::Sure, America has been a large conventional arms producer for sale to third parties, but designing weapons to go toe-to-toe with modern Russian weapons has always been built on guess work, and is not a priority cause of the nuclear first strike doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:11, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == De Santis' Record on Conservative Judges in Florida ==<br /> <br /> "He added, "And in Florida, I inherited a very liberal state supreme court, maybe the most liberal in the country, very activist. But I was able to replace three of the four liberals my first month in office with conservative justices. I've since been able to make a number of appointments since then. So we now have the most conservative state supreme court in the country. And so I think we have a really good track record on doing that.:https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/desantis-says-he-has-respect-for-trumps-3-supreme-court-appointees-but-theyre-no-thomas-or-alito-well-do-better-than-that/articleshow/100947146.cms [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:02, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Breaking: [[Prigozhin]] dead==<br /> Who'd a thunk it, a war hero like that dying in such a tragic accident. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:27, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Who killed him? No mystery there, right? [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:03, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::[https://youtu.be/DjUOBVAbGhQ Freddo, I know it was you]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:17, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :No. Shoigu and Gerasimov finally got to deliver Prigo some serious ammunition. In other news, smoking Utkin as well is the first bit of authentic de-Nazification of the war to date. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:37, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::I mean, what a tragedy to go out at the peak of your career. Some say, he was only getting started. Let this be a lesson - stay clear of [[MI6]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:58, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Maybe there can be peace talks now. Putin says, "Okay, I'll get rid of Prigozhin"; Biden agrees, say "Okay, [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fsome-of-the-documents-leaked-by-teixeira-were-completely-v0-0c6sthfoj4ib1.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D4514b0f77382f37cba6d09af0999309613bc23b6 I'll get rid of Zelensky]." That might clear the air. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:05, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::"There’s not much that happens in Russia that Putin's not behind," [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/biden-hints-putin-behind-wagner-group-boss-plane-crash according to Biden]. He's getting better at indirect hinting than he was after Nordstream. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:21, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::This isn't a whole lot different than when Zelensky [https://sonar21.com/are-the-ukrainian-political-elite-starting-to-eat-each-other/ took out the whole top leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs] last January - on [[CIA]] orders. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:30, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The problem the Russians have now is, who do they negotiate with after [https://jonrappoport.substack.com/p/stage-set-for-joe-bidens-removal-from-office Biden is deposed?] [[Colin Kahl]]? [[Samantha Power]]? [[Victoria Nuland]]? the fake Georgia electors? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:52, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> You got me, Rob. I did it. I killed Prighozin. I confess. Lol. Anyway, it's a Pity and a Shame what the Kremlin's Thugs are doing. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:53, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :[[Zelensky]] faces a choice now, he can flee like the [[Shah of Iran]] and [[Ferdinand Marcos]], or end up like [[Diem]]. I'm sure his advisors aren;t that srupid that they haven't shown him that letter from Kahl to Power. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:09, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Two best reports as of this moment:<br /> ::*[[GRU]] analysis: [https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/special-report-the-curtain-closes Simplius];<br /> ::*[[CIA]] analysis: [https://sonar21.com/wagner-titular-head-prigozhin-dead-or-alive/ Larry Johnson];<br /> :ignore all else (in fact, don't even taint or pollute your mind with biased versions and reports). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:09, August 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Maybe Putin needs a good chef and decided to fake Prigozhin's death? You can't stay mad at your chef. A political leader dying in an air crash happened a lot in the 1930s and 1940s. It's an odd way to die in this day and age. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:27, August 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Debate Reviews: De Santis, Haley, Pence did well. Christie lost an exchange to Ramaswamy and Ramaswamy lost one to Haley ==<br /> <br /> So, I watched the debate and been reading some reviews. Lots of people mentioned (1) Haley's exchange with Ramaswamy on Foreign Policy, and most acknowledge she won that. Likewise, (2) Ramaswamy won his on Trump vs Christie. (3) Pence criticized R on multiple issues (3) De Santis held his own and stood above the fray and talked about his Conservative Record and his Winsome Policies and Successful Re-Election.<br /> <br /> Good Debate: I would say De Santis, Haley and Pence did the best. Ramaswamy, Christie and Scott next. The other two barely showed up.<br /> <br /> The NYT below quotes 2 Conservative Debate Reviewers:<br /> <br /> "Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, said during the debate that he expected Mr. DeSantis to “deal with constant incoming” attacks. By the end, Mr. Lowry said that Mr. DeSantis had “helped himself” by sticking to his message — and took “no incoming fire.”<br /> <br /> Other observers noted Mr. DeSantis’s ability to stay in comfortable territory, trumpeting his conservative track record in Florida as proof that he could steer the Republican Party to success.<br /> <br /> Mary Katharine Ham, a journalist and conservative commentator, called Mr. DeSantis’s strategy “effective.” <br /> <br /> “Gimme a topic. Yeah, I did that thing. Let me tell you what I did. It happened in Florida. Results,” she said, summarizing his approach."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/24/us/politics/who-won-debate-republican.html [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 04:01, August 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Here's an excerpt: "You have no Foreign Policy Experience and it shows!" The ChatGPT line was another Zinger! https://youtu.be/5ht3qDRIgHw [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 04:06, August 24, 2023 (EDT)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1974148 Talk:Main Page 2023-08-24T12:32:48Z

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[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:08, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> [[Doug MacGregor]] comments on the role [[atheism]] plays in [[globalism]]. [https://youtu.be/h-HJhQThF24 They Pushed The Russians Too Hard And Now They're All Doomed]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:04, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===The Big Push has arrived===<br /> <br /> When Sevastopol becomes a NATO base, we'll know we've won the war: "[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-27/ukraine-begins-major-push-in-the-south-in-its-counteroffensive#xj4y7vzkg Ukraine Steps Up Counteroffensive With Big Push in the South]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 08:54, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Lol. They need manpower, tanks, and aircover to do it. They have none (rather, rapidly running out). <br /> <br /> :[[Propaganda]] alone cannot win a war. This seems to be the major flaw in contemporary US/NATO doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:42, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :[https://youtu.be/g_CqTYZRMEU No Sane Person Goes to War against Russia (Military Textbook Ch. 1 Par. 1)]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:22, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::What is this? Guy expounding on Russian history from behind the steering wheel of his car? At least he's belted in. He'll be ready to move as soon as traffic breaks up. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:38, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::The guy meets [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability Wikipedia Notability Guidelines] for his own bio page. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:20, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :'''Scenario:''' About November 2023, the [[Biden regime]] will begin waving the white flag; [[Victoria Nuland]], who can cuss in Russian like a Russian sailor, has been appointed to the negotiating team. The problem with this scenario as laid out in open source from US [[leak]]s is, the Russians will not acquiesce to any [[NATO]] presence east of the [[Polish]] border. Yet the Biden regime proceeds as if it's a done deal. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:48, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Biden needs to show results before the New Hampshire primary in January. [https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-russia-launches-new-mass-missile-strike-kyiv-says-air-defense-capabilities-increased/ Ukraine will get the Abrams tank in September and the F-16 by the end of the year], just in time to defeat RFK Jr. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:28, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::(a) it won't go that far; (b) the first F-16 that crosses into Ukraine airspace means Polish airstrips & Ramstein get nuked, or at least hit with [[Kinzhal]]s and Iskanders (this is why US involvement won't last until Feb 2024); (c) the only alternate scenario is the [[NATO_war_in_Ukraine#Polish_deployments|Russo-Polish war]] (Poland has reserved some ammo and equipment for itself, but the US has run out and can't help. Poland does have manpower however, that can be fed into the meatgrinder since the Ukrainians are running out). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:29, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::Note on manpower needs: Ukraine entered the 2022 conflict with the largest standing military and reserves in Europe. Its army was larger than France, Germany, and the United Kingdom combined. They are all dead now. Ukraine is rebuilding its army for the fourth time in this conflict now, with the average age being 37, with no prior military training or experience. And it doesn't have the combat-experienced officers either to rebuild with.<br /> :::Note on Poland: Poland's dreams of empire have to get past the voters first in the October 2023 elections, assuming the globalists won't rig that election, either. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:25, July 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::'''Polish update:''' Being that Planet Earth knows the [[Wagner group]] is a rogue outfit outside [[Moscow]]'s control, if the Wagner group were to invade Poland, NATO cannot legally justify invoking Article 5 against Russia. [https://www.politnavigator.net/vagnera-legko-vozmut-zheshuv-azarjonok.html Wagner will easily take the NATO base at Rzeszow in Poland]. <br /> ::::Biden would have to invoke the [[Bush Doctrine]] against [[Belarus]], by the precedent of holding the Taliban responsible for harboring Al Qaeda. Of course an attack against Belarus is an attack against all 85 constituent republics of the Russian Federation. <br /> ::::It's a game of chicken; let a NATO member state kill a single Wagner fighter or Belarussian soldier on Belarussian territory from a NATO member states' territory, and see what happens. This scenario will likely play out once fighting between Wagner & Polish "peacekeepers" commence in Western Ukraine (and we won't even go into [[false flag]] scenarios). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:25, July 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===AI in drone warfare===<br /> For the first time in warfare, in [[Bradley Square]], we are seeing drones equipped with [[artificial intelligence]] seeking out and choosing for themselves which targets to destroy. [https://youtu.be/RyPIUNypMCs] The era of "precision guided" munitions is past. I'm sure AI robotic warfare is a relief to a lot of people's [[conscience]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:12, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Background: Russia entered the war with basically only one drone design, the Orlan, which looks like a hobby model available at any hobby shop. Each artillery unit had an Orlan for spotting and correcting (which the US and NATO does not have) and proved very effective. Russia acquired the Lancet (or Geranium) design from Iranian Shaid drone. It has proven extremely cost-effective. Russia is now building 1 million Lancets.<br /> <br /> :IMO, one motive behind NATO's provoking Russia to war is to discover more about its [[electronic warfare]] and other advanced technologies. It needs this, if the US really is intent on provoking the Taiwan crisis. The US needs to know how to defeat the [[S-400]] and [[S-500]], seeing that Russia would share that technology with China if the Taiwan provocation plays out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:38, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWs, while the US is said to have "air superiority", Russia is generally recognized as having the most advanced and superior missile defense systems on the planet (a jet aircraft is also a "missile"). Before spending more money on more advanced US aircraft, the US wants to force Russia's hand to lay some of its cards on the table about its missile defense systems, rather than US designers having to rely on guess work. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:55, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::The German [[Leopard 2]] tank, the supposed most advanced tank on the planet, is a good example of relying on guess work in its design. Of course, you don't really know how effective a weapon is going to be - no matter how much money you put into the project - until it is combat tested. The Leopard fails. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:06, July 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWs, that world depicted in the 1984 film ''[[The Terminator]]'', where the robots with artificial intelligence rise up to exterminate the remaining human population, is here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:43, July 31, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :In addition to AI, facial recognition is being tested on kamikaze drones. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:21, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::So it's not just a matter of sending you a ticket for J-walking anymore - they can wipe you out with a drone, as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:24, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Future War Is Here===<br /> [https://www.bitchute.com/video/B7u6qWpYHhmp/ How Ukrainians retrieve bodies of their fallen cannonfodder]. <br /> <br /> Yep, Zelensky turned Ukraine into [https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/15/politics/ukraine-russia-war-weapons-lab/index.html an experimental proving ground] for Western military technology. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:27, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Note: rigor mortis hasn't set in in this particular subject; see also [https://www.sgtreport.com/2023/05/profiting-from-war-and-death-the-organ-harvesting-business-in-ukraine/ Profiting from War and Death: The Organ Harvesting Business in Ukraine]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:32, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Update: One Russian sources using this video claims the soldier is wounded and not dead. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:04, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Must read===<br /> [https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/last-stop-before-willoughby Last Stop Before Willoughby] (2 min read). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:43, August 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===[[Teroborona]] update from American transgender spokes-thing (we don't want to be prosecuted for using the wrong pronouns) in Kiev===<br /> [https://www.bitchute.com/video/xOYHf6aQTkIh/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:16, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> RWA (Russians With Attitude): [https://youtu.be/WasACJnvjQo Sarah Ashton-Cirillo is a Kremlin Agent]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:40, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Analysis: It ought to be obvious Sarah Ashton-Cirillo has been hired by the Zelensky regime/CIA to teach English to Ukraine children using idioms and common rhetoric they hear daily in the Ukrainian language. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:28, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Wow. Russian political scientist says it all in 39 secs.===<br /> [https://www.bitchute.com/video/VInNWCfCN2sR/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:16, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Good lesson in discerning propaganda from Emil Cosman (first 1 1/2 minutes)===<br /> [https://youtu.be/CaWHx8rxLrw] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:23, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Scott Ritter interview with Soloviev===<br /> [https://rumble.com/v39toio-scott-ritter-show-ep.-42-with-vladimir-soloviev.html Scott Ritter interview with Soloviev]. Soloviev is fluent in English. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:12, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Dems step up prosecution of Trump ==<br /> <br /> Back in March, the idea of prosecuting a former president was considered a huge norm-buster, a violation of over two centuries of tradition. Using the legal system to take out political opposition was downright undemocratic. Now there are so many cases pending against Donald Trump that we need a "[https://www.politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/ definitive guide]" to keep track of them. The classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, the Stormy Daniels payoff, the phone call to the Georgia secretary of state, and Trump's role in the January 6th demonstration are all going to court, according to "target letters" issued by the relevant prosecutors.<br /> <br /> If the Democrats are confident that Joe Biden can defeat Trump, why do they want him out of the race so badly? My theory is that Biden knows that he's not getting a second term, either for undisclosed health reasons or because of the Hunter Biden bribery scandal. He wants credit for removing Trump from U.S. politics to "finish the job," as he phrases it. Prosecuting Trump is the closest thing Biden has to a popular policy. Attacking the democratic process is thus not a matter of expediency; Its what Biden wants to be remembered for. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:52, July 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Fortunately, we have some proven, well qualified sources covering the matter. TechnoFog is one of the best among several; he has proven himself through the [[Trump-Russia scam]] and impeachment, Mueller investigation, Durham investigation, etc. He even attends DC court hearings. For this reason, I'm not as engaged in the current Trump prosecutions and Hunter Biden problems as previously, cause we have respected, credible sources to use. <br /> :My focus is to connect the dots between [[Trump-Russia]] as the motivating factor and prelude to the [[Ukraine war]] - something all the same qualified sources say, but is a conspiracy so vast that when its true dimensions are known will forever be deserving of the maledictions of all honest men. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:14, July 31, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Andrew McCarthy on the Trump indictments ===<br /> Donald Trump may be flying high in the polls, but the reality is that the prosecutors and the Deep State decide. See "[https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/out-of-all-indictments-georgia-is-the-most-perilous-threat-to-trump/ Out of all indictments, Georgia is the most perilous threat to Trump]" by Andrew McCarthy. The Fulton County attorney and some Georgia jurors will decide who the next president will be -- and they are not likely to pick Trump. Trump needs to drop out and endorse somebody who can win in November. I want to see Chuck Schumer on trial for Ashlee Babbit's murder. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 11:58, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===The first thing we do, arrest all the liberals===<br /> <br /> Donald Trump could be arrested in Atlanta any time now. Three out of the four cases pending against him involve legal theories that are unprecedented in American jurisprudence. The classified documents case is the only one with a recognizable legal foundation. But by prosecuting Trump and not Hillary, Biden is attempting to rig the 2024 election. How can the wife of a former president be immune from prosecution, but not an actual former president?<br /> <br /> As president, Trump had the authority to created his own standard for what was classified and what wasn't. He could have made everything he did legal. The only reason that we know that he didn't do this is because he is on tape admitting that he didn't declassify the documents in question. So its a case that revolves on technicalities.<br /> <br /> There are twenty-seven Republican attorney generals in the United States. They should all be cranking up prosecutions of Democrats. Prosecute Hunter as an unregistered foreign agent of Russia and China. Prosecute Stacy Abrams, Al Gore, and Hillary Clinton for attempting to overturn elections. Prosecute BLM and Antifa for the 2020 riots. The tech giants should be prosecuted for donating to pro-riot groups in order to force Americans to shop online. Investigate the intelligence officers who told us Hunter's laptop was disinformation just before the 2020 election. See "[https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/15/how-should-republicans-respond-to-fulton-county-indict-the-left/ How Should Republicans Respond To Fulton County? Indict The Left]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:25, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Don't hold back now, tell us what you really think. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 10:54, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::The Georgia Republicans who were selected as counter electors in 2020 were following a precedent set by Hawaii Democrats in 1960. Now they have been charged under RICO as if they were mobsters. See "[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/the-georgia-indictment-is-the-biggest-threat-to-democracy-yet The Georgia indictment is the biggest threat to democracy yet]" and "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1SN5685Tus VERIFY: Yes, RICO was created to prosecute the mob]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:46, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::What would Pastor Niemoller say about that turn of phrase? [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 11:23, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The phrase is from ''Henry VI, Part II'': “The first thing we do is, let’s kill all the lawyers.” It's one of Shakespeare's most famous quotes. It's a pity that popular history has been reduced to Nazis and slavery. '''Update'''. Biden routinely describes anyone who criticizes him or his policies from the right as a "white supremacist" or a "Maga Republican." He is ready to sic the FBI on us: "[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/sep/15/biden-accused-pressuring-fbi-fabricate-extremist-a/ Biden accused of pressuring FBI to fabricate ‘extremist’ and ‘White supremacist’ cases]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 01:58, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::Maybe the Nazis present a more important moral lesson than a decontextualised joke by a minor character in a minor Shakespeare play. Remind us, what did Shakespeare think of Jack Cade and Dick the Butcher and all the other rebels? [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 08:32, August 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == West scrambles to hash out details of F-16 Training for Ukraine ==<br /> <br /> Say it with me. NATO Population: 1 BN, Russia: 150 MN; NATO GDP: >40 TN, Russia GDP: <2 TN. There is no way Russia can win this War.<br /> <br /> "The scramble by the West comes as Ukraine calls for additional military capabilities to break through Russian defenses on the battlefield. And Ukraine is ramping up pressure on allies to send F-16s again this week, as Russia pulled out of a deal that allowed civilian ships to transport grain through the Black Sea; Ukraine’s foreign minister said Tuesday that the jets could help protect a corridor that is vital to global food security.<br /> <br /> One training proposal that has been discussed involves bringing Ukrainian pilots to the United States to receive instruction from the 162nd Air Wing, an Air National Guard unit based in Tucson, Ariz., that already trains foreign partners on the F-16."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/25/west-ukraine-f-16-training-00108111 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:48, August 2, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Those numbers are screwed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:01, August 2, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Russian Foreign Ministry and Ministry of Defense could not be more clear (and they do not need to repeat it over and over and over again): If they see an F-16 flying east over Ukraine territory, they will regard it as a nuclear attack. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:44, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWS put succinctly - all the talk from Western sources reported in Western media about Ukrainian pilots trained on F-16s and supplying Ukraine with F-16s is interpreted in Moscow as making nuclear threats (it does not matter if Western MSM fails to understand or report that fact). Please, stop spewing Western veiled nuclear threats in Main Page talk. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:55, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Russian military has no way to discern if an F-16 flying east over Ukraine is armed with a nuclear or conventional bomb, has stated they will assume it is nuclear equipped, and will respond accordingly. Period. Paragraph, End of Statement. Please desist. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:59, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The [[propaganda]] in the ''[[Politico]]'' article posted is what you call "bluster", and if the sources quoted are serious, they are insane madmen. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 03:05, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :[https://www.azerbaycan24.com/en/russia-becomes-europe-s-biggest-economy-report/ Russia becomes world's 5th largest economy and largest in Europe], surpassing Germany despite sanctions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:08, August 5, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === US approves sending F-16s to Ukraine from Denmark and Netherlands ===<br /> <br /> My prediction that the War will likely end by end 2024 or in about 1.5 years is looking pretty good right now. This breaking from Reuters.<br /> <br /> "WASHINGTON, Aug 17 (Reuters) - The United States has approved sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands to defend against Russian invaders as soon as pilot training is completed, a U.S. official said on Thursday.<br /> <br /> Ukraine has actively sought the U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets to help it counter Russian air superiority.<br /> <br /> Washington gave Denmark and the Netherlands official assurances that the United States will expedite approval of transfer requests for F-16s to go to Ukraine when the pilots are trained, the official said."<br /> <br /> https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approves-sending-f-16s-ukraine-denmark-netherlands-2023-08-17/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 20:56, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I know you follow MSM, but right now the experts are giving the Zelensky regime's life expectancy about 4-5 weeks.<br /> <br /> :As to the F-16s, they will be stripped down and the pilots are just sacrificial lambs to see how the Russians destroy the planes. <br /> <br /> :One of the big problems with F-16 is, they need a special runway that doesn't exist in Ukraine; so if they take off from Poland or Romania, that is an act of war originating from those countries. So they have to take off from these shortened runways in Ukraine. NATO is just paying close attention to how long it takes for the Russian forces to detect them and respond, with what kind of electronic warfare, and how they will destroy them. It's just basic research the [[MIC]] needs to build into the [[F-35]]. <br /> <br /> :And the Russians won't use their top-of-the-line technology to destroy them. They'll use older Soviet stuff that NATO has probably never faced. <br /> <br /> :Now sure, in the F-16s first or second run they may get lucky, make a few hits, and return to base alive, which will get maximum air play for propaganda purposes. But by the third run the Russians will have it figured out, how to make the kill shot without revealing too much about their modern weapons systems (radar detection and missile defense). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:26, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The [[Leopard 2]], for example, "the best main battle tank on the planet", didn't last one day in combat. Now it's the UK Challenger's turn. Next is the Abrams. They send them in in such limited, small numbers, not cause they expect them to be useful or "win" (a "gamechanger") in combat, but to discover their vulnerabilities and information about Russian offensive weapons. It's just experimental under real combat conditions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:47, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Shoigu already said Russia will regard F-16s as a nuclear threat, and I just heard it repeated (the Russians are not in the habit of repeating themselves; they basically make an official statement once and leave it at that. They don't play the Western media game of tit-for-tat rhetoric timed for news cycles, but I;ll watch to see if had to be repeated). Sometimes they may give a gentle reminder on their [[policy]], but they are not required to answer all the bluster coming from the West everytime somebody talks smack. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:05, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::{Note: In diplomatic language, there is a difference between a "nuclear threat" and a "nuclear attack".) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:43, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::The Russians will use that Reuters report and/or whoever it came from as simply more evidence how they are disrespected and ignored in the West. The West can laugh it off, but it carries weight in Russian domestic propaganda. So when you get clobbered with a nuke, don't say you weren't warned. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:08, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> If Putin was going to use Nukes, he would have used them long ago. Not to mention nuked Prighozin among others. He won't do it because he knows it'll be the end of him, and he loves his power, status and wealth - most of it ill-gotten, by some accounts he's the world's richest man, unjustly so - see this: "The Kremlin claims that Putin earns an annual salary of $140,000. His publicly disclosed assets include an 800-square foot apartment, a trailer, and three cars. But according to some experts, he may be the wealthiest man in the world with assets totaling up to $200 billion.02-Mar-2022" https://fortune.com/2022/03/02/vladimir-putin-net-worth-2022/ - too much ever to risk it. Putin shouldn't have started this War, he probably feels that way too now himself, but his ego and pride won't let him let go. All he needs to do is retreat back to his own Territory and it'll be over. But he doesn't want to do that and he won't do it until soundly defeated. He's used the "E-word" Escalation too much for it to be credible or meaningful anymore, kinda like the Boy who cried Wolf. And so, Ukraine will calmly do its duty to defend its own Territory, its own Soil, and its 40+ Million citizens whom Thug Putin is Robbing of their Happiness, their Dreams, their Future, their Security and their Prosperity. But not for long because they're rightly fighting back. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 20:29, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You can't have it both ways - saying Putin is an irrational madman but rational enough not to use nukes. "A world without Russia isn't worth living in" - Vladimir Putin. [https://www.bitchute.com/video/DKYBayLj39ox/ "We go to Paradise, but they won't have time to repent."] - Vladimir Putin. <br /> <br /> :Putin didn't start the war.<br /> <br /> :The same nuclear scenario regarding F-16s over Ukrainian airspace will occur with or without Putin. It'll happen even if Putin had never been born. Putin has little to say over Russian Federation nuclear doctrine. In fact, Putin really isn't a military man at all. The nuclear doctrine was scripted by others.<br /> <br /> :Here again, you are a victim of Western propaganda. Unlike the United States, the decision to use a nuke does not rest in the hands of one man, as in the US. The battlefield commander armed with a nuke, in both Soviet and Russian Federation nuclear doctrine, rests in the hands of the battlefield commander armed with a nuke. (So once the decision is made to transfer a nuke in the hands of a commander, for example the decision to arm [[President Lukashenko]] with a nuke, it is out of [[Moscow]]'s hands). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:04, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Put succinctly, if Shoigu and the boys in the [[Kremlin]] transfer a nuke into [[Gen. Surovikan]]'s hands, Surovikin has full authority to use it at his discretion, under [[Russian nuclear doctrine]]. He only needs to report using it back to the Kremlin afterward. That decision has already been made, and Putin was only one voice or vote in making that decision to transfer a nuke into a certain commanders' hands. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:07, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Under Russian doctrine, the Russian Ministry of Defense can hand out 20 or 30 nukes to battlefield commanders all over the planet, and each one independently, alone, has sole discretion, power, and authority to use it. The simple fact you (a) don't understand this, or (b) refuse to accept this fact and are fixated on Vladimir Putin, shows the extent of how badly you have willingly subjected yourself to Western media [[brainwash]]ing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:13, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::This shows the colossal mistake NATO governments and their controlled media made in the early days of the [[propaganda]] war, by mocking the Russian military and its commanders. Russian battlefield commanders, of which there are dozens, are better trained and qualified, with better judgment of under what circumstances the use of nuclear weapons may be necessary than [[Joe Biden]], or any NATO commander, or any nuclear armed NATO member [[head of state]] or head of government. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:44, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :No, the rest of the planet does not necessarily follow the US model, where one man (supposedly) is in control of nukes (under Trump, remember, even that was questioned). In fact, following the American model or example of how a government ''should'' be structured is much at the heart of ''how'' and ''why'' this war began. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:19, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Take Pakistan, for example: when [[Benazir Bhutto]] was elected President, she had no idea who was in control of Pakistan's nukes, which individual or group of individuals made the decision to launch, or where they were even located until the [[CIA]] informed her. But that still didn't give her any authority. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:23, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> So let's get into the details of what Putin is [https://www.bitchute.com/video/DKYBayLj39ox/ describing here with the MAW (Missile Advance Warning) system]. An F-16 is a (manned) missile. The MAW system detects launch, approach, and trajectory. Shoigu and others have repeatedly stated, they cannot determine whether a "nuclear capable" F-16 is or is not armed with a nuclear weapon, therefore they will regard it as a nuclear threat. Sure, you can mock the Russian MAW system as 20 years behind technological standards of the West, but too bad - the Russians have stated their position and NATO understands it. "We go to Paradise, but they won't have time to repent." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:16, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> As to the "E-word", escalation is not spontaneous. Escalation has all been gamed-out on both sides. You can see videos of escalation being "gamed-out" over Taiwan on YouTube. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:38, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> [https://southfront.press/step-towards-global-nuclear-war/ F-16 FOR UKRAINE: STEP TOWARDS GLOBAL NUCLEAR WAR:] <br /> :''"The United States has finally approved the transfer of F-16 fighter jets from Denmark and the Netherlands to Ukraine upon completion of pilot training. There are no more obstacles to the supply of F-16 fighters to Ukraine, Copenhagen said.<br /> <br /> :''The United States agreed to train Ukrainian pilots on the F-16. The aircraft could be reportedly sent to Ukraine by the end of the year. Denmark and the Netherlands joined the training program, supported by the USA, Belgium, France and the UK.<br /> <br /> :''The Kremlin stated that since the F-16 is capable of carrying nuclear warheads the transfer of F-16s to Kiev would be considered a nuclear threat from the West."'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:47, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Larry Johnson report===<br /> CIA analyst (there is no such thing as "ex-CIA" contrary to most MSM reports, unless you are dead) [[Larry Johnson]] reports today (corroborating much of my spiel above), beginning with a quote from ''[[WaPo]]'':<br /> :'''WaPo''': ''The bleak outlook, briefed to some Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill, has already prompted a '''blame game''' inside closed-door meetings. Some Republicans are now balking at President Biden’s request for an additional $20.6 billion in Ukraine aid given the offensive’s modest results. Other Republicans and, to a lesser extent, hawkish Democrats have faulted the administration for not sending more powerful weapons to Ukraine sooner.''<br /> <br /> :''U.S. officials reject criticisms that F-16 fighter jets or longer-range missile systems such as ATACMS would have resulted in a different outcome. “The problem remains piercing Russia’s main defensive line, and there’s no evidence these systems would’ve been a panacea,” a senior administration official said.''<br /> <br /> '''Johnson''': "During my time at CIA we had an expression for the Captain Obivious conclusion — we called it, “No Sh*t Analysis.” The [[F-16]] is not a [[wunder waffen]]. It has no magical powers. It is an aircraft that can readily be identified by Russia’s robust, integrated air defense system and it will be shot down. God pity the pilots of those planes if they ever make it to the theater of battle.<br /> <br /> The publication of this article in the [[Washington Post]] is just another sign of flagging U.S. support for Ukraine. This is sending a signal that the U.S. [[intel community]] is no longer on the Ukraine band wagon." [https://sonar21.com/more-signs-the-west-is-losing-and-reacting-accordingly-in-ukraine-plus-judge-napolitanos-round-table/]<br /> <br /> '''RobS' comment''': "Russia’s robust, integrated air defense system" is exactly what I spoke of above - the [[MIC]] wants Russia to lay some of its cards on the table about its modern "integrated air defense system" for research into the design of the [[F-35]]. Russia will try to hide as much as they can while using older systems. And Johnson pointedly refers to what I called Ukraine's "sacrificial lamb" pilots used on a suicide mission. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:19, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Simplicius' take===<br /> Simplicius gives the same analysis, albeit from a Russian perspective [https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-82023-f-16s-paper-over-500k] (quoted at length):<br /> {{quotebox-float|I view the delivery of such planes as a very good thing. I’ve said since the beginning that all the most advanced Western arms provide essential training to Russian forces, who need to learn how to fight against these systems for the sake of a potential future war against NATO proper.<br /> <br /> That means Russian AD operators, fighter pilots, etc., will all get critical experience on dealing with one of NATO’s top aircraft, including registering their characteristics into their radar registries for enhanced identification purposes.<br /> <br /> Such a rare opportunity to go up against and study these types of systems in a ‘low risk’ environment is crucial. It’s better to go up against them now, in Ukrainian hands and low numbers, while learning their secrets and weaknesses, than experiencing them for the first time in a full-fledged war against NATO where hundreds/thousands of them are deployed at the same time in a far more uncontrollable setting.<br /> <br /> Sure it may seem callous to want Ukraine to have better/more advanced weaponry because the argument is that some Russians will lose their lives from this, but you have to see things in a broader view. It will save more lives in the long term, in light of a much larger future war, if they can master combating these systems now.}}<br /> The F-16 is not a "gamechanger". Both Zelensky and defense minister Reznikov have said Ukraine is a testing ground for NATO weapons. It's not just tragic, but in the case of Zelensky we need to examine the moral question how he is willing to trade the lives of his own people for money as a proxy in a great power game he knows Ukraine will emerge as a loser. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:48, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Re: MPR post of "Poll: Putin named World's Most Respected Leader." ==<br /> <br /> Re: Main page right post of: '''Poll:''' [[Putin]] named World's Most Respected Leader. [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/joe-biden-is-dead-last-international-poll-who/]<br /> <br /> The actual news story's lead as far as it's first two sentences is: "In a recent online poll on Twitter X Joe Biden ended up dead last in an international poll on respected leaders. Russia’s Vladimir Putin was first with 35.6% of the vote followed by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi with 33.7% of the vote, followed by Ukraine’s Zelensky with 21.9% of the vote."<br /> <br /> A Twitter poll can be affected by bots. I realize that a scientifically done representational poll done by Gallup International would be more expensive, but sometimes truth comes at a steeper price. <br /> <br /> My guess is that the wealthy countries aligned with the USA would tend to be more anti-Putin. Of course, Russia has its allies too. And then much of the global south and/or poor countries are unaligned so they are better able to negotiate for the best deals. India has been unaligned for a long time. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:27, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The article actually says, "Russia’s Vladimir Putin was first." Case closed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:31, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::I suppose if you want easy answers that fit your views and are closed-minded it is "case closed", but otherwise one would have to spend more money. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:35, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I's a fact: the Department of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University found Vladimir Putin the world's most respected leader in its annual World of Statistics polling. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:41, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Should be an eyeopener for students and young people compared to the [[MSM]] [[brainwashing]] and garbage readers like yourself routinely consume. 19:43, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::I am open to that notion, but I want a source. And the source has to agree with what you are claiming. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:44, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::Also, the Twitter poll posted on MPR was done by the Twitter account of "World of Statistics".[https://twitter.com/stats_feed/status/1688618337473810434] And unfortunately, we don't know who runs that account. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:47, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::::Fortunately, we do: the Mathematics Statistics Dept of Georgia State University, which I just stated above (sorry, I know you comprehension is a little bit lagging). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:50, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> Furthermore, as far as a "Department of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University" poll, when was it done? I ask because both sides of the war in Ukraine have engaged in war atrocities. See: [[Essay: Russian war crimes in Ukraine]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:52, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Ok. You are not giving a source as far as your alleged "Department of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University" poll. I will remain a skeptic then. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:53, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Find it yourself.<br /> <br /> :::::(ec) Did you read the Consortium news piece in the Propaganda update? This section made me immediately think of you:<br /> ::::::"[https://consortiumnews.com/2023/08/10/caitlin-johnstone-illusory-truth-unprovoked-invasion/ Their repetition of this war propaganda slogan exploits a glitch in human cognition known as the [[illusory truth effect]]], which makes it difficult for our minds to tell the difference between the experience of hearing something many times and the experience of hearing something that’s true.}. <br /> :::::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:54, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> Anyways, the Departments of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University could do a Twitter poll in good faith, but it could have been tainted by Twitter bots. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:57, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Also, "The accuracy of a poll depends on how it was conducted. Most of Pew Research’s polling is done by telephone. By contrast, most online polls that use participants who volunteer to take part do not have a proven record of accuracy. There are at least two reasons for this. One is that not everyone in the U.S. uses the internet, and those who do not are demographically different from the rest of the public. Another reason is that people who volunteer for polls may be different from other people in ways that could make the poll unrepresentative. At worst, online polls can be seriously biased if people who hold a particular point of view are more motivated to participate than those with a different point of view."[https://www.pewresearch.org/2010/12/29/how-accurate-are-online-polls/] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:02, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::The American Association for Public Opinion Research recently released a detailed report on the strengths and weaknesses of online polling. The full text of the report can be found [http://poq.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/10/19/poq.nfq048.full.html here].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:04, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::(ec) Sorry, you're going to have to take that up with the professional statisticians at Georgia State University. <br /> :::Nowwhere in the poll results does it say it was a Twitter poll, as you ass-u-me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:07, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The non-aligned countries often share a common trait: Making expedient deals. That's one of the strengths that Donald Trump had as a real estate mogul. He was a dealmaker as president. The Abraham Accords had one of its prime focuses on economic deal-making and the various country's economic interests. Biden can't hold a candle to Trump and he made the Ukraine-Russia situation much worse. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:29, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::Interesting; but I don't see how that relates to the subject of this thread. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:31, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> The nonaligned countries and their citizens focus on "what have you done for me lately". Unfortunately for Russia and Ukraine, they are going to get further damaged in the war in Ukraine which may drag on for a long time. So they will have less to offer the world. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:35, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Still don't see how that relates...[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup><br /> ::Oh, well. I tried to explain it to you. If you still don't get it, I can live with that. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:51, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::Trump didn't even make the poll, and what do war atrocities have to do with the poll? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:03, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Okay, I think I understand now. You associate the name "Putin" with "Trump", "Zelensky", and "war". You do not associate it with "leadership", "the Russian nation", or "Christianity". Okay. That tells me a lot about how your mind works and processes information. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:57, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Breaking: Kupiansk front collapses==<br /> ''[https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/08/10/today-borscht-reichs-kupiansk-front-collapsed-in-mass-retreat-of-militia-2nd-echelon-units-lacking-fire-support-facing-logistical-breakdown-as-veteran-russian-forces-advanced-all-of-this-toda/ Developing]''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:38, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://youtu.be/k-S77ygsp1k Catastrophe Looms Over The Entire Kupiansk Frontline.] This is an ex-pat dissident channel. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:55, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *According to Dima of the Military Summary channel, the Russians have 100,000 troops in this sector; according Driezen, Ukraine has no reserves left here, as the Russians just broke through their second echelon. This means, the collapse in this same sector the Russians experienced last September is being reversed, and brings the Russians up to the doorstep of the city of [[Kharkov]]. However, no siege is likely yet, as some Russians forces need to head south and deal with other frontlines elsewhere from the Ukrainian rear. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:00, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::100km doorsteps ftw [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:53, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> [[File:Screen-Shot-2023-08-12-at-8.33.37-AM-937x1024.png|right|400px|thumb|Ukrainian citizens are waking up. War has not been declared, so [https://www.bitchute.com/video/BFRuB1AP79IT/ martial law and conscription is illegal] under existing law.]]<br /> :::There is nothing standing between them and Kharkov. But they'll probably break-off a large contingent south to help out at Krasny-Limon first and north to secure the border - once they finish up work at Kupiansk. <br /> :::Besides, Odessa is more important to secure than Kharkov right now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:59, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Conway, I'd be interested in hearing your assessment of what remains of Ukrainian fighters; as I understand, Ukraine only has about 40,000 NATO trained/equipped troops remaining. The rest, about 160,000, are untrained/unexperienced conscripts pressed into service with an average age over 37 (many in their 50s). There is talk of another mobilization, but there's nobody left to press into service. Fully 90% of all males (say over the age of 15) will have served before the war is over. What remains have long left the country and likely will never return. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:19, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://weapons.substack.com/p/ukraine-update-keep-an-eye-on-kupyansk Ukraine Update: Keep an Eye on Kupyansk] Russia May Soon Shift its Strategy, STEPHEN BRYEN. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:25, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Note: What Bryen says about the Wagner group returning to Russia, cited to the ISW, is false information. By law, a private military company like the Wagner group cannot operate on Russia soil, which is why they were withdrawn from [[Lugansk]] and Rostov and sent to Belarus. See also [https://youtu.be/2T0rwE6Y10s HistoryLegends], a pro-Ukraine channel. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:35, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Manpower isn't an issue. Ukraine fully mobilised in Feb. 2022. Currently / nationally, they've got around a million serving in uniform (inc. support & rear / staff units) and they're still actively recruiting and forming new brigades. As long as the materiel keeps flowing, they can keep this going indefinitely and they intend to. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:09, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::A million when you count the men 70+ and 15 year olds (the railway workers are considered the "hidden army"; also, now you have the mobilization of doctors and technocrats for combat duty). But we're not getting much reporting on the political situation; all the hardcore "nationalists" are dead, and their widows are pissed off. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:12, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::This can't keep up: [https://www.bitchute.com/video/J1JWnKQNaEEw/ Ukrainian Recruits Sent To Dig Trenches Found The Buried Corpses Of Previous Cannonfodder There]. I have another report on how Zelensky is destroying Ukrainian families by sending men to the front, which I'll post later when I find it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:09, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::[https://tsarizm.com/analysis/2023/08/12/ukraine-a-country-of-misery-how-to-find-more-troops-for-bloodshed/ Ukraine, A Country Of Misery: How To Find More Troops For Bloodshed] (machine translated). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:39, August 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::As far as I understand it now, here's what Zelensky's latest decree is suppose to do: his illegal order to grab conscripts off the street in select communities and regions has changed: he's now sending those guys (the kidnappers) to the front, and replacing them with returning veterans who lost an arm or leg. How a guy with one leg is suppose to chase a draft dodger down the street, as we've seen in countless videos, is unclear, but it's never been like he really cares anyway, so long as the [[DC]] gravy train keeps rolling. And apparently the new decree may apply nationwide, and not just in select regions and communities with Russian and Hungarian populations that the Kyiv regime (and NATO) seek to exterminate by sending draftees, pressed into service, on suicide attacks.<br /> <br /> ::::Reports indicate foreign mercenaries are being assigned to units to shoot in the back anyone who tries to desert or refuses to attack when ordered to do so, replacing the Nazi units which now will probably see more frontline action. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:24, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::The reason mercenaries have been assigned to take over the role of commissars one can only speculate, but I would guess it's because it is well known the Russians particularly target foreign mercenary groups (and have even stepped up their targeting) in both the front and rear. So evidently their numbers have been reduced, and recruiting hasn't gone so well over the past year or so. This still gives mercenaries a vital function to play, and hopefully reduces the number of foreign mercenaries deserting and returning home. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:45, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::Bear in mind, certain stories leaked out about the holocaust during World War II, but most people found the stories too incredible to believe and dismissed them as propaganda. It wasn't until the war was over before the truth came out, and the magnitude of government policy was understood. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:01, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::[https://www.bitchute.com/video/fkto39NnUchb/ Do you detect a change in Ukrainian society from February 2022?] The commissars themselves are now being sent to the front. This means the end is near, when the military and society itself begins to collapse. Great leadership on the part of Zelensky, NATO, and all their Western civilian backers. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:24, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> The decree is about getting ahead of a brewing scandal re. regional recruitment officials accepting bribes from draft dodgers. It's likely some pretty rich & powerful Ukrainians will be found to have bought their sons out of serving and - politically, at least - it makes sense to nuke the entire regional recruitment leadership and start again.<br /> <br /> There's no wider issue re. recruitment. Sure, virtually all those inclined to volunteer have done so already, but <br /> that's just what happens in any sufficiently big war. Eventually, you have to start pressing people into service. They might not be thrilled at the prospect, but as long as they know what they're fighting for - and they do - most of them will grit their teeth and get on with it. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:40, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Oh wow. So "recruitment" now means [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/press-gang "press gang"] and "draft". Okay. I hope you hang around to help translate more of this common [[propaganda]] terminolgy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:05, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Did you see the [https://videopress.com/v/PWnUihfT video from a few weeks ago] of the [[fragging]] incident? where the Ukrainian commander tossed a hand grenade into a bunker full of Ukrainian soldiers who refused to fight? The big mystery is, why would they post it on the internet afterward? And no, it's not a fake or Russian propaganda. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:12, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::There is a video of this same incident with subtitles I can't find right now; but he's basically arguing with the soldiers cause he sent them to occupy a certain position and they returned to the bunker here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:16, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not a day goes by where there's not a half dozen videos of the press gangs in action. People now are beginning to fight back. And the widows are confronting them in street, asking "Why don't you go to the front?" That's what Zelensky evidently is responding to. Also, the regime now is beginning to requisition people's vehicles (mostly the nice ones) off the street, as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:12, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Fragging update: [https://www.bitchute.com/video/F5URTIEszf6X/ AFU Troops Fleeing In Kupyansk Are Allegedly Shot In The Back By Colleagues]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:17, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> :ConwayIII wrote: "grit their teeth and get on with it." <br /> <br /> :Spoken like a true Brit! <br /> <br /> :Carry on, ConwayIII. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:59, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Obama and transgenderism ==<br /> <br /> Traditional history records a handful of transgendered freaks like Emperor Elagabulus (c. 204 -222). The modern history of this subject begins with John Money, who wrote a journal article about Canadian David Reimer in 1967. Reimer was born a boy and was brought up as a girl as part of a sick psychological experiment. He committed suicide in 2004. ''The Rocky Horror Picture Show'' (1975) gave us the word "transsexual." In 2015, Olympian Bruce Jenner announced that he was a woman. Suddenly, the issue everywhere. Thousands of years of human cultural were overturned by a ''Vanity Fair'' cover. <br /> <br /> There was obviously more to the story, but the magazine cover was only part that the MSM was interested in telling us about. After watching [https://youtu.be/E3um55ckPKs this Megan Kelly video], I suspect at that we can thank President Barack Obama for this problem. He wrote up fantasies about gay sex, according to Kelly. [https://youtu.be/WGLn9wGGSOQ He had a masculine-looking white girlfriend at one point]. He gave her up to have a politically correct marriage with Michelle.<br /> <br /> If you recall the panic over covid, it seems that drug companies are calling the shots these days. So how can we control them? Malcolm Gladwell has a podcast about how California and other states [https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/in-triplicate headed off the opioid epidemic by requiring forms to be filled out "in triplicate]." I remember when "in triplicate" was a metaphor for the dumbest, most pointless form of regulation, so this backstory was fascinating. Maybe its time to do something similar for puberty blockers. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:20, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The story of [[Michael Robinson]] has been known for a while. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:39, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::During the 2008 campaign, Obama's ''Dreams from my Father'' (1995), was treated as a definitive account. In 2012, a biography by David Maranass went through the book and debunked every story worth debunking. All those stories about how Obama triumphed over race discrimination? They were fake, every single one. But Maranass's account just leaves us with more questions. If Obama had spent his undergrad years playing basketball and smoking dope, how did he get into Harvard? You're not even allowed to ask as far as the MSM is concerned. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 04:55, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::[https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/david-garrow-interview-obama Here is a recent interview with Obama biographer David Garrow]. Garrow's book was a bestseller in 2017. He tracked down Obama girlfriend Sheila Miyoshi Jager as well as his homoerotic letters. The letters are part of an archive kept at Emory University in Georgia. Every major figure in the Biden administration is an Obama appointee. They run policy while Biden focuses on making money for himself and his family. [https://nypost.com/2022/10/17/hunter-bidens-real-estate-firm-received-over-100m-from-russian-oligarch/ Compared to Hunter's $100 million in Russian money], Obama's book deal was worth a measly $65 million. The Garrow interview I linked to argues that Obama is running this administration, much like Jefferson writing letters in Monticello telling the Madison administration what to do. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 13:43, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Do you feel like adding some of this to [[Obama]]'s bio article? His post-presidency and legacy, or maybe his early life? I'm debating about adding [https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=NT2YjbI6&id=D1F7DC24C6EBAA8C2BA86871F1850BC1BCB6D7AD&thid=OIP.NT2YjbI6dxAm_VLudfLpDAHaHa&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fthefederalistpapers.org%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2016%2f03%2fObama-On-Septic-Pumper-Truck.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.353d988db23a771026fd52ee75f2e90c%3frik%3drde2vMELhfFxaA%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=600&expw=600&q=obama+septic+tank&simid=607996215202089094&FORM=IRPRST&ck=6D95A0F1D3101378ECDFDA649B32E336&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0 this photo to his Legacy] section. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:18, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::I downloaded a copy of Garrow's book and I'll work on this when I have a chance. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:54, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Demonic ISIS Terrorism against Christians and Churches goes tragically under-reported in the world press ==<br /> <br /> God will have His Vengeance on the Persecutors of Christians: "Vengeance is Mine, says the Lord, I will repay"; "You are the Apple of My Eye, says the Lord; Whoever touches you touches Me"; "Saul, Saul why are you persecuting Me ... I am Jesus, Whom you persecute", the Lord said when His Martyrs were being Persecuted, as they are still today, above all by these Radical Islamist Terrorist Thugs. Will update the Persecution of Christians in the World Today article with this shortly, but it is also News that deserves to be more widely reported.<br /> <br /> From: https://www.memri.org/jttm/isis-africa-chad-cameroon-niger-democratic-republic-congo-nigeria-mozambique-targeting<br /> <br /> "ISIS videos in 2022 not only gloried in the killing of Christians and the destruction of their property and churches, but also in showing kidnapped Christian villagers being forcibly converted to Islam. Our adversary sees this campaign in ideological, Islamic supremacist terms most of all.<br /> <br /> African Christians are in a sense doubly stigmatized. Their suffering is minimized in the eyes of most of the West because they are both Africans and Christians, two categories that can be easily ignored by our enlightened elites more interested in promoting the latest fashionable progressive ideologies.<br /> <br /> But with talk of Africa becoming a higher priority for the U.S. as a result of intensifying great power competition, it is important to understand the full scope and ramifications of this bloody campaign. Certainly, the longer it continues, the greater possibility exists of the full ethnicization of these conflicts which could further fracture already stressed states and societies. What ISIS did to religious minorities in the Middle East it is seeking to do on a continent where Islam and Christianity are relatively equally matched. The potential result is pouring oil on a simmering fire.<br /> <br /> This comprehensive MEMRI report should be a wake-up call, not only about the military and security dimensions of the conflict in Africa that are too easily ignored, but about the ideological and cultural elements of this struggle. Only by understanding this crisis fully can we hope to address it successfully." [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:07, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :uh, [[ISIS]] was funded by the [[Obama administration]] and the US taxpayer (just as [[Ukrainian Nazi]]s now are funded by the US). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:26, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> The Clear Solution is an Integrally Conservative Christian Candidate for US President. Since NATO is a US-dominated Alliance, it follows that the Ideology - whether Atheistic and Woke, i.e. pro-abortion and pro sodomy LGBTQ, or Conservative and Christian i.e. Pro-Life, Pro-Family, Pro-Natural Marriage etc - that dominates the US will also dominate NATO. It remains that the Election of a Conservative Anti-Woke Christian President like De Santis will definitely help end the Ukraine War, because then the West will go back to promoting Christian Values. Indeed, the possibility of an American-Russian Alliance - against ISIS for e.g. which still Terrorizes much of Africa - at a not too distant date is still possible. But Russia also needs to go back to its own territory for that to happen. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:34, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :[[Deep State]] support for ISIS is why Obama fired [[Gen. Michael Flynn]] as [[Defense Intelligence Agency]] director cause he opposed it, and why the [[FBI]] framed him up on bogus charges - to silence him. And why the Deep State thwarted all efforts by the Trump administration. Unfortunately, not only is there no clue that DeSantis understands any of this, he's funded by the same [[globalist]] forces in bed with the Deep State. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:46, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Let me take part of that back - yes, DeSantis does understand much of the [[Deep State coup plot]], but his ranting against it is an empty handed gesture. Like Trump, he wouldn't be able to get his own appointments the proper security clearances past the corrupt FBI, and would have to staff his own administration with a bunch of deep staters, just has Trump was forced to. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:50, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :And even if he could get a single appointee, like [[Gen. Flynn]] for example who already had the proper security clearances, the FBI will harass and frame them up on bogus charges in order to protect itself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:55, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :: Brother, the Deep State really is Evil, and De Santis is the most dedicated, disciplined, tough, Anti-Evil Candidate I have ever seen. I'm not easily impressed, and I'm really impressed by De Santis. That is after many hours of researching his record and his accomplishments. This man walks the walk and not just talks the talk. He will Succeed in destroying the Deep State, which Trump could not completely do, though I'll happily admit Trump did do some good things. De Santis catching on to Fauci being part of the Deep State within the Trump Administration while Trump was still commending that is just one basic evidence for that I can think of. De Santis is the Crusading Christian Conservative Champion we've all been waiting for for 40+years since Ronald Reagan and he will take the Deep State down. Just give him the chance and see. If I'm wrong in 2028, I'll eat my words and you can quote them back to me right here. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:27, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::Here's where you need some understanding how the system operates (and we will not even go into the matters of [[FISA abuse]] or [[Weaponization of government]]).<br /> <br /> :::Presidentiual power consists of his powers of appointment, i.e. not so much what he himself does, but in the 2,000+ appointments he makes to the federal bureaucracy. No single person has 2,000 friends or acquaintances he knows personally to fill those appointments, so obviously a president is dependent on other people to make recommendations.<br /> <br /> :::Then these appointments have to pass FBI background checks, i.e. the FBI has [[veto]] power over presidential appointments.<br /> <br /> :::That is precisely the problem we face today; cause [[Chris Wray]] and the FBI aren't going to grant security clearances to anyone who wants to clean up the FBI, [[DOJ]], [[CIA]] or any other [[corrupt]] apparatus of the US [[intelligence community]] and [[deep state]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:40, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> :The issue here isn't who's right and who's wrong, or who's the good guy and who's the bad guy; the issue is the [[military industrial complex]] will sell weapons to '''''both''''' sides, Christians and Muslim terrorists, to keep the fight going (but won't sell to arms competitors, like the Russians). The deep state/military industrial complex doesn't care ''who'' gets killed or how many, but rather the more the merrier for arms sales profits. <br /> <br /> I care who gets killed, the Islamic Terrorists should get killed, and the Christians should be Free. Trump did Good Work against ISIS, unlike pathetic Obama who supported them, led by his Deep State. De Santis will do 10 times Greater Things. Support and rally around him and we win! [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:30, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::[https://www.bitchute.com/video/ROKP4Xg1ggLS/ Al-Qaeda mercenaries fighting for Ukraine complain of being paid with counterfeit money]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:44, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> :And who pays for these arms? Not Ukraine or some broke third world sh*hole, but you, the US taxpayer. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:59, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :And how does the US taxpayer pay for these arms? With money borrowed from [[China]], piling on the national debt. [[FDR]] used to respond to critics of [[deficit spending]] and the [[national debt]] by saying, "We owe it to ourselves", meaning we owe it to [[Wall Street]] or American elites. Today it's a [[foreign debt]]., [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:08, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :So yah, let's expand [[NATO]] to Asia with more money borrowed from China, so we can attack China and wipe out a debt justly owed. Makes perfect sense. But do you really think the Chinese are that stupid they can't see what's going on? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:11, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Expanding NATO into Asia will relieve the US taxpayer burden. Europe will pay more of its fair share and America won't have to go it alone. Asian Countries who are prospects join NATO are already supporting the Alliance in various ways like Japan and South Korea are. Expanding NATO into Asia makes all of us stronger and the world safer. It is a win-win for everyone except Godless Commie China. We are in Cold War 2.0. Wake up, Rob! The sooner we all see it, the better for all of us. We need Raeganite Peace through Strength against the New Evil Empire of today, which is Commie China. So many problems will become better once China has a True Democratic Revolution. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:32, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now do you understand why God commanded [[Solomon]] not to multiply horses? But Solomon disobeyed, and the kingdom was destroyed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:22, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *''" Indeed, the possibility of an American-Russian Alliance - against ISIS for e.g. which still Terrorizes much of Africa - at a not too distant date is still possible."'<br /> ::Indeed, [[Vladimir Putin]] has asked for this since nearly the day he took office (after the two Chechen wars in the 1990s), but the Bush administration, Obama administration, User:Conservative, and yourself have told him to go to hell. Now it's too late. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:53, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> He should propose it to a De Santis Administration, and it will almost certainly be accepted. If that's what Putin really wants, that is.<br /> <br /> But he needs to go back to his own country first and stop trying to take Kyiv for e.g. which he unjustly attacked and had no right to do.<br /> <br /> I did not tell him to go to hell, but only to go back to Russia's own territory. Saint John the Apostle says this: "11For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters, b if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him." (1 Jn 3:11-15). Putin should see he isn't helping anyone - certainly not Christian - by attacking a 90% Christian Country like Ukraine, not to mention 60% of whom are his brother and sister Orthodox Christians. Putin has been misled by the Deep State's own Agents within the former KGB. They play both sides and they want to promote the narrative that America and Russia are Eternal Enemies. It doesn't have to be that way. America should stop promoting Woke Ideology, which Patriarch Kirill has demanded. That's where De Santis comes in; he is the Strongest Anti-Woke Candidate America has ever seen and will be the Strongest Anti-Woke President she has ever known either. But Russia also needs to do its part for peace and that is pull out, like both the US and Russia did in Afghanistan. The sooner the better. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:36, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :It's not going to happen. We need a peacemaker like [[Richard Nixon]], when the country finally gets tired of endless wars. But you yourself are out there cheerleading for more war. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:47, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :(ec) And as noted above, a president needs diplomats and advisors to make peace, who can't get past FBI vetoes on their security clearances cause the [[military industrial complex]] controls (or is one big component of) the [[Deep state]], which controls the FBI. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:52, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Bwahahahaha! Nixon! Pathetic, Commie-appeasing, bootlicking Nixon. Watch the video I shared below, somewhere around 2-3 mins I think. Nixon was pathetic and totally messed it up. he had the opportunity of a lifetime to bring Russia closer to the West and totally blew it.<br /> <br /> Nixon is the Exact Opposite of someone we need. It is De Santis, the Raeganite minded Conservative of today. De Santis, I tell you! I'msure of it. Russia will love him because he is Anti-Woke. It's that simple. That includes Russian Christians and the Russian Church. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:55, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, Nixon should've nuked em, huh? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:56, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Deccan Herald: US House Committee recommends adding India to NATO Plus ===<br /> <br /> Yup, this is the Way Forward. A Joint US-India Alliance and expanding NATO to include India and other Asian Countries Allied to America. The Commie CCP's Worst Fear of all.<br /> <br /> "NATO Plus, currently NATO Plus 5, is a security arrangement that brings together NATO and five aligned nations - Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Israel, and South Korea - to boost global defence cooperation.<br /> <br /> Bringing India on board would facilitate seamless intelligence sharing between these countries and India would access the latest military technology without much of a time lag.<br /> <br /> The House Select Committee on the Strategic Competition between the United States and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), led by Chairman Mike Gallagher and Ranking Member Raja Krishnamoorthi, overwhelmingly adopted a policy proposal to enhance Taiwan's deterrence, including through strengthening NATO Plus to include India."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.deccanherald.com/india/china-select-committee-of-us-house-recommends-making-india-part-of-nato-plus-1222340.html [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 04:06, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now you see why the country is in such trouble - we have such incompetent leadership, even on the GOP side. And the GOP leaders have no excuse. You can't say they are just lying for [[propaganda]] purposes; no, they are just stupid and incompetent. Not only do they not have a clue about what is happening in the world, they don't understand how the world works in the first place. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:21, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Before you go off on this rah-rah NATO spiel, as a young person you need to understand a few things. For NATO to continue to exist, it needs a bogeyman. Whoever the role of bogeyman gets assigned to, that means an [[arms race]]. An arms race, in economic terms, means you have to pay for it throughout your lifetime with higher taxes, higher inflation, and less economic opportunities for yourself for educational, employment opportunities, or starting a business (cause the nation has other priorities than your private interests). Then, when push comes to shove, you see all the sacrifices you paid for advanced arms were wasted, cause all your expensive weapons don't work and are burning up in a field somewhere like Ukraine (or worse yet, are just abandoned to our enemies cause our military and political leaders knew all along they are worthless, like in Afghanistan). Then those weapons need to be replaced. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.<br /> <br /> :So, be a little more skeptical of propaganda sources before you bite off info about who the next Hitler, or who the next Reagan is (heck, I remember when Reagan was Hitler). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:08, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> '''''Breaking:'' [https://youtu.be/zqn14Xw7JE8 According to this guy,]''' who uses four sources, India is hooking up with Russia, China, Iran, and Belarus to oppose NATO & the US. <br /> <br /> Interesting term he invents here: NATO = the [[Axis of Good]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:33, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :'''''Bloomberg:''''' "China’s defense minister vowed to '''[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-15/china-defense-minister-excludes-us-in-vow-to-widen-military-ties#xj4y7vzkg strengthen military ties with a string of countries around the world, while excluding''' from that list the Asian nation’s biggest economic and geopolitical rival, '''the United States."''']<br /> <br /> :Translation: If Germany, the UK, and France (plus Italy, Canada or whoever else) wants to deepen [[economic]] and [[military]] ties (remember, military alliances are created to defend economic trading blocs) with China, they would have to leave NATO. And the entire NATO bloc's prosperity over the past 20-30 years has been built on (1) Russian energy, and (2) cheap Chinese manufactured goods. So it looks like people living in the NATO bloc outside the US have some tuff choices ahead, as they sink into despair and poverty as a result of American leadership and their relations with the United States. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:54, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === The Wire: The Siege on Manipur: Hindu Nationalists' War for Supremacy in India ===<br /> <br /> Pray for India. Modi's BJP Party must lose in May 2024 and Rahul Gandhiji must become Indian Prime Minister. That's the only way this horrible Hindutva Terrorism against Christians ends. https://thewire.in/communalism/siege-on-manipur-hindu-nationalists-war-for-ethnic-supremacy<br /> <br /> "Nazi imagination and practices of grotesque brutality are formative to Hindu nationalism. “Volksgemeinschaft” or national community was, for Nazis, the ideal society to be achieved through mass movement, statecraft, thieving, violence, race experiments, and Holocaust. The “Other” was its target.<br /> <br /> M.S. Golwalkar, an early ideologue of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), professed deep admiration for the Nazis. An inspiration to Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Golwalkar, noted: “To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic Races – the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here.” Golwalkar continued that non-Hindus in India “may stay in the country, wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation, claiming nothing, deserving no privileges… not even citizen’s rights”. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:08, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> CBN News explains: "Religious freedom experts blame India’s government for religious violence." https://youtu.be/TYDdKdLs__k [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:09, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> : I don't understand; why do you keep pushing the Ukrainian ''Volksgemeinschaft'' here? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:29, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> [[File:National Militia.PNG|right|300px|thumb|[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE6b4ao8gAQ Ukraine: On patrol with the far-right National Militia], Jonah Fisher reports, ''BBC Newsnight'', April 4, 2018.] ]] <br /> Not the topic. India's RSS is influenced by Savarkar, Golwalkar mentioned above and their Neo-Nazi Ideology that explicitly idolizes that Thug Hitler. India's Poor Christians are suffering under this travesty right now. If you cared for them, you'd at least pray for them, and try to help and support in any way you could e.g. by writing articles drawing attention to it, or material and financial support either directly to Indian Christians or to Christian Organizations like Open Doors that helps Persecuted Christians in India. Let's do that. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 23:33, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I still don't understand. Why do support Ukrainian Neo-Nazi Thugs and oppose the anti-fascist Putin, yet ask us to support antifascism in India and oppose Neo-Nazi Thugs in India? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:56, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Please don't draw false and unwarranted comparisons. Modi is brutally killing and persecuting Christians in India and you are saying this. Putin invaded Ukraine and tried to take Kyiv. There is no comparison. Modi is brutally persecuting harmless and peaceful Christians praying and worshipping in our Churches. I am an Indian Christian and I stand with fellow Persecuted Indian Christians. Updated the Persecution of Christians article: https://www.conservapedia.com/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_World_Today#Siege_on_Manipur:_Hindu_Nationalists.27_War_for_Ethnic_Supremacy [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 00:11, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :No I'm not. "Putin...tried to take Kyiv" is a blatant lie from MSM propaganda. Putin entered Ukraine to "denazify" it. Period. I don't understand the argument of supporting Ukrainian Nazi Thugs while opposing Indian Nazi Thugs.<br /> <br /> :Here is the problem that you have created for yourself: your use of Western media propaganda and lies now doesn't carry much weight trying to help Westerners understand the problems Christians face in India. So if you want help, you can begin right there. <br /> <br /> :And no, I regard [[CBN]] as cow-towing to globalism and deep state propaganda (probably to keep its [[FCC]] licenses). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:36, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> No, you are complicit in and guilty of Modi's Crimes against Christians if you refuse to condemn them. Every Serious Christian anywhere he lives is Gravely Guilty of Complicity in Modi's Crimes if he refuses to condemn them and at least pray for brother and sister Suffering Christians, if not to materially help them. Whatever you think of the Russia-Ukraine War, Modi's Persecution of Christians are Mortal Sins on his part, as is anyone supporting them, especially someone claiming to be Christian and then supporting him.<br /> <br /> Putin's attempt to take Kyiv is a Fact of History, despite your trying to Whitewash it: "Russia’s failure to take down Kyiv was a defeat for the ages" https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-battle-for-kyiv-dc559574ce9f6683668fa221af2d5340<br /> <br /> I oppose Putin also because his actions have caused Millions of Ukrainians, most of whom are Christians, to suffer external and internal displacement because of his unjust War. But Modi's Evil Actions in relative peace-time are something else altogether. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:30, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Putin deceives some people because he claims to be Christian - thus many cannot see that his actions, which have led to some 10 MN Ukrainians, most of whom are Christians, suffering, are in fact Anti-Christian, and favor the Radical Islamists, of whom Putin is a careless dupe. But Modi's Anti-Christian Actions should be clear and plain for all the world to see. They are of Anti-Christ, period. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:35, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :(ec) I only have a vague outline of the events in Manipur from a few sources I haven't been able to get to yet (as another CP editor has been trolling me relentlessly for weeks and has eaten into much of my time). But your use of the term "Nazi Thugs" while excusing Ukrainian Nazi Thugs gives me pause. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:36, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Here is [https://www.bitchute.com/video/4UCV94iIMzq5/ an example of the Ukrainian ''Volksgemeinshaft'']. Gimme something similar, if you can. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:41, August 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Let me expand on this: The sources I have collected from India (which I haven't been able to get to yet cause of trolling) are qualified; I will not accept MSNBC or any other MSM BS at face value (in fact, I'll probably deliberately ignore it). The link I provided shows a law passed by the US-backed fascist Kyiv regime, that requires all commercial transactions in Ukraine, even between native Russian speakers, to be conducted in the Ukrainian dialect. Imagine, a law in Canada - in Quebec or Montreal - requiring all transactions between native French speakers (many who do not understand English) to be conducted in English at the threat of arrest. And that's exactly what the guy who made this video did. He gives the address and name of the business at the end of the video to report a crime to the [[Ukrainian gestapo]]. <br /> <br /> ::Now, unlike French and English, Russians and Ukrainians can understand each other for the most part (like Spanish and Portuguese). In fact, the so-called "Ukrainian dialect" is really kinda like "hillbilly English" even spoken in rural areas and villages in Russia. It's just less sophisticated, with a smaller vocabulary, than the Russian that cosmopolitan city-slickers in Moscow and St. Peterburg speak. It has to borrow from Russian words, phrases, and idioms beyond its 50,000 word vocabulary (Russian, like English, is fully developed with a 400,000 word vocabulary). So the idea or concept of a "Ukrainian language" really is based on false pretenses, of which they are trying to build a ''Gemeinshaft'' at gunpoint. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:09, August 19, 2023 (EDT).<br /> <br /> === The Wire: Elections 2024 in India entering its Most Dangerous Phase ===<br /> <br /> "[[Modi]] is too good a politician not to know the value of such gestures, so his profound silence has to be traced to other, more pressing concerns. The only one that springs to mind is his growing fear that, with opposition unity solidifying from month to month, the BJP is in danger of losing the 2024 Lok Sabha elections. So he has gone back to the one antidote with which he is familiar, and which worked unfailingly in Gujarat, and in the 2019 Lok Sabha elections. This is stirring up hatred of Muslims and other minorities in the Hindu majority. He did not plan the Manipur violence, but these played into his hands just as the Pulwama attack had done four years ago. It is against this background that one needs to examine the riots that broke out in Nuh.<br /> <br /> How dangerously irresponsible Prime Minister Modi’s behaviour is can be judged by comparing it with that of his predecessor Atal Behari Vajpayee. When, within months of the NDA coming to power in 1998, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) and the Bajrang Dal raised a hue and cry against conversions to Islam and Christianity, began to attack Christian priests and nuns and vandalise churches, Vajpayee sharply criticised their lawlessness and undertook a fast to force BJP-ruled state governments to take stern action. When cadres of the Bajrang Dal set fire to the car in which [[Graham Staines]], an Australian Christian missionary, and his two sons were sleeping outside a church in Odisha, and burned them alive, he took immediate action. Mass arrests followed, and in less than four years, Dara Singh, the main culprit was in prison, sentenced to death, while his accomplices received lesser sentences.<br /> <br /> When the VHP began another campaign against the conversion of tribals to Christianity in the Dang district of Gujarat, Vajpayee pushed the state government to end it forthwith. He also called a conclave of the BJP’s coalition partners and set up a National Coordination Committee headed by George Fernandes as a counterweight to the RSS within his government. That balancing act gave India one of the best governments it has had since Independence.<br /> <br /> When the Gujarat riots began on February 28, 2002, after repeatedly failing to contact Modi on the phone, Vajpayee sent defence minister Fernandes to Ahmedabad to call in the army to end the violence. When he visited Ahmedabad a month later, he openly criticised Modi at the Shahpur refugee camp stating, “Main yahan lashe ginane nahi aaya hoon. Aman kayam rakhna rajneetik neta aur adhikariyon ka zimmedari hai. (I have not come here to count the corpses. It is the responsibility of the political leaders and officials to maintain peace.)”<br /> <br /> From: https://thewire.in/politics/elections-2024-india-most-dangerous-phase<br /> <br /> Graham Staines in red. No article on him yet for Conservapedia? Almost incredible. Edit: Added now. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:33, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Video from China Uncensored: How long till China betrays Russia ==<br /> <br /> This Video mentions the Open Secret that China has never cared for Russia and is probably soon going to betray it. It is a pity Vladimir Putin thinks Godless Communist China can ever be trusted to be Russia's Friend.<br /> <br /> https://youtu.be/_k_GMnVrYeU [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:50, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :It won't happen until China and Russia break the back of US domination, first. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:53, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Watch the video please. It explains Nixon and Kissinger totally messed it up. Worst incompetents ever, or acting on orders from the Deep State. We need someone to take the Deep State down. De Santis is the Best and Logical Choice. He also understands the Evil Empire is China, not Russia. Down with Commie China's CCP!!! [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:56, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> See between 3-4 mins where Commie Thug Geng Biao gives the Game and the Secret Away: "We allowed Nixon's Visit, not in the least because of positive feelings toward the US. WE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SOVIET-US CONFLICT". Wake up, America! [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:59, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Deep State took Nixon down. It would be easy to say cause he tried to make peace with Russia and China, but that isn't half the story. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:31, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Visual Politics EN: What Do Military Simulations Show About Taiwan? ===<br /> <br /> "What would happen if Beijing ultimately decides to invade Taiwan? Would the island be able to withstand the attack by the People's Republic of China? What role could the United States play? Would the U.S. military be able to withstand the Chinese onslaught? In this video we tell you all the details."<br /> <br /> https://youtu.be/B17LzRNesvg [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:35, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :For serious students, this is classic [[propaganda]]. The headline should read, "What would happen if China ultimately decides to invade itself?" [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 10:31, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === "Branded" - Christian Movie on Persecution of Christians under the CCP ===<br /> <br /> "Li Chenxi has attended gatherings and read the Bible with her parents since she was little. In 1988 at just 13 years old, she's arrested while attending a gathering, then locked up in a small, dark room for one day and two nights. From then on, the CCP never stops persecuting her. She's once again arrested by the police at 17 for sending books of God's words to other brothers and sisters in the church. In an effort to force her to reveal the source of the books, the police brutally beat her father right in front of her, and parade her through the streets labeled as a "political prisoner." In 1996, the police come to arrest Li Chenxi once again. She has no choice but to flee her hometown and begin the life of a fugitive. The CCP police's frequent harassment and intimidation leaves her entire family living in a constant state of terror. Unable to withstand the long-term stress and fear, her mother has a mental breakdown, and her father, who already suffered from health problems, sees his condition deteriorate even further because of the police's brutal beating. A once-happy family is thus torn apart. While on the run, Li Chenxi joins brothers and sisters in spreading the gospel all over the country. They suffer under the CCP's reign of terror, suppressed and arrested time and time again. Some brothers and sisters are arrested and then savagely tortured. Some are beaten to death, and some are given prison sentences of more than 10 years. In late 2012, Li Chenxi is arrested once again while sharing the gospel and undergoes four long months of interrogations, attempts to extort confessions, and brainwashing."<br /> <br /> From: https://youtu.be/WF-eQwccT1c [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:37, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Russia expresses Appreciation for Catholic Church's Efforts under Pope Francis to Promote Peace ==<br /> <br /> Nice to see. What I love about the Catholic Church is She is Truly Universal. She is Asian, African, European and American, and Australian. She is all things to all people, as Christ commanded us to be. And now Russia appreciates the Vatican's Efforts to Promote Peace. Let's hope Peace breaks out soon in these calamitous times:<br /> <br /> #Russia expresses appreciation for Vatican's efforts to help with situation in #Ukraine<br /> <br /> Comment in link: "Lord give us mercy and end the war in Ukraine and other conflicts around the world 🙏"<br /> <br /> https://youtu.be/8BfTFP_RtFA [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:04, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, did you see Zelensky just had the Satanic Nazi [[Azov Battalion]] take over the [[Kiev Pechersk Lavra]] last week? You'll probably have trouble finding sources in English. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:36, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Machine translation: [https://www.politnavigator.net/kievo-pecherskuyu-lavru-zaselyat-boevikami-azova.html Kyiv-Pechersk Lavra will be populated by Azov militants], with a photo of the Nazi thugs lined up outside the monastery where St. Ceril translated the bible and is buried. <br /> :The article itself is difficult reading cause it has a tone of resignation about many facts it assumes the reader is familiar with. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:47, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Jackson Hinkle: [https://youtu.be/rqdE2AV_ccc Ukraine ARRESTS Christians For Praying At Monastery]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:53, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :German Chancellor [[Olaf Scholz]] claims [https://youtu.be/h4hGqoZj73U those seeking peace in Ukraine are the black angels coming straight from hell.] Hmmm, does this mean [[Pope Francis]] is coming straight out of hell? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:30, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Will he or won't he? Trump "tempted" to attend the First GOP Presidential Debate ==<br /> <br /> He should. "Former President Donald Trump has not decided whether or not he will attend the first Republican presidential debate. NBC News Correspondent Garrett Haake reports the latest from Trump’s campaign."<br /> <br /> https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-is-tempted-to-attend-the-first-gop-presidential-debate-190806085695 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 23:31, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, so now we're depending on [[NBC News]] for reporting on Trump. Have they fired [[Ken Delanian]] or any of the other [[CIA]] [[troll]]s on the payroll yet? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:47, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Nope, not depending on them, and don't know the answer to your question. The issue here for Conservatives is whether Trump will show up or not. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:00, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The issue for [[conservative]]s is how much of anything they can believe coming from NBC News. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:20, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :NBC News does not provide information or news - they sell a product - in the same way [[Anheuser-Busch]] sells Bud Lite, Mattel Toys the [https://www.bitchute.com/video/FMBCWF5uqGJl/ Transgender Barbie], or [[Disney]] sells [[pedophilia]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:22, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Do you think Trump will show up for the Debate or not? [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:39, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :If his poll numbers rise after the latest indictments, probably not; it they remain flat or suffer, then yah he'll show up. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:13, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Fair Enough. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 07:52, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Trump confirms his intellectually lazy plan to skip the Debate===<br /> <br /> Well, there you go: "Former President Donald Trump on Friday announced he would skip Wednesday’s first Republican presidential debate in favor of a one-on-one interview with a friendly right-wing commentator – the second time in as many days that he backed out of an event that spelled trouble for his multiple and overlapping criminal defense strategies."<br /> <br /> https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2023-08-18/trump-backtracks-on-debate-blockbuster-press-conference [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:54, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> If Trump was confident he could handle and even parry attacks on his record, he would have showed up and answered questions. De Santis will. Trump and De Santis are the only serious contenders in this thing, and with Trump awoling, De Santis has an opening. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 14:56, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The RNC has allowed a proxy, [[Byron Donalds]], to sit in, last I heard.<br /> <br /> :And the ratings review of Tucker's simultaneous interview with Trump measured against FOX ratings wil tell the tale (not just of Trump, but the future of cable TV "news" vs. [[social media]]. This will affect advertising rates for years to come). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:30, August 20, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> "What’s Next: A big debate … without Donald Trump.<br /> Mr. DeSantis faces the biggest test of his campaign on Wednesday: the first Republican presidential primary debate of the 2024 race, in Milwaukee.<br /> <br /> Mr. Trump appears to be skipping the debate, handing Mr. DeSantis an opportunity to take the spotlight. From: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/20/us/politics/desantis-stump-speech.html<br /> <br /> Governor De Santis has a Great Opportunity to control the narrative and focus on his record, his policies and the issues in the Debate. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 02:22, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :''NYT'': "handing Mr. DeSantis an opportunity to take the spotlight". Lol.<br /> <br /> :C'mon, I had hoped to use this page to conduct a seminar on how to spot [[propaganda]], not spread more of it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:33, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now why would NYT say that since Ramaswamy has been burying DeSantis? Doesn't the NYT read its own news? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:35, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> The article continues: "But the former president’s absence also means Mr. DeSantis, as the stand-in front-runner, will most likely come under withering fire from rival candidates. How he handles those attacks could define his image in the eyes of many voters tuning into the primary race for the first time." so it's hardly favorable or friendly to De Santis. It's just reporting on the State of the Race as it sees it. It was Trump's Choice not to show up. That creates both Opportunities and Threats for Governor De Santis, who'll be Centre Stage. at the Debate now since he's the leading contender among Actual Debaters. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 02:46, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :"the stand-in front-runner" at 5%, but Ramaswamy with 13% can kiss off cause he's Indian. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:44, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :"DeSantis faces the biggest test of his campaign on Wednesday"; DeSantis is looking more and more like [[Kamala]]. She had all big money endorsements and personnel of the [[DNC]] establishment, including [[Marc Elias]], [[Christopher Steele]]'s paymaster, as General Counsel. She dropped out in December before the January primaries started. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:05, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> For someone who claims near-personal-infallibility in being able to filter through the MSM propaganda, Rob, you could do a better job at it! The Liberal Media is now pushing the Narrative that Ron De Santis cannot win. That's obvious. Very obvious. Meanwhile, here are facts.<br /> <br /> "The NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll released early Monday found that 42 percent of likely Republican caucus attendees in Iowa listed Trump as their first choice, giving the former president a 23-point lead over DeSantis, who was picked by 19 percent ...<br /> <br /> Republican Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.) came in third place with 9 percent support in the new survey, followed by former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley and former Vice President Mike Pence, who each received 6 percent. Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie received 5 percent support, conservative entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy received 4 percent, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum received 2 percent and former Rep. Will Hurd received 1 percent. No other candidate received more than 1 percent support."<br /> <br /> So first point (1) Trump is the Clear Front-Runner at 42 % and De Santis is the Clear 2nd Front-Runner after Trump around 20%. Ramaswamy whom you mentioned meanwhile is at 4%, behind Sen. Tim Scott, Nikki Haley and Christie though above the rest like Doug Burgum and Will Hurd.<br /> <br /> Next, (2) De Santis is still being actively considered by exactly 22% of other GOP Voters, which means he could break even with Trump.<br /> <br /> From: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4162034-trump-holds-23-point-lead-over-desantis-among-iowa-republican-caucusgoers-survey/<br /> <br /> "Twenty percent of likely GOP caucus goers listed DeSantis as their second choice, with an additional 22 percent saying they were still actively considering the Florida governor." This would happen gradually as the field winnows and other candidates drop out. De Santis is not going anywhere. There's a very good chance he'll continue to be 20%+ while multiple candidates remain then move to 30-40% after that. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 09:06, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :"NBC News poll". Lol.<br /> <br /> :Iowa, where all the money is being spent. Nationally Trump is at 60% and DeSantis 3rd at 5%. And the debate ''is not'' in Iowa. IOWs, the debate is about national issues, not Iowa farm issues. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:11, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You yourself just said Trump is the clear frontrunner with 42% in Iowa; no, I would disagree. Trump is the "clear frontrunner" nationally with 60%, but in Iowa, if Trump were to step in doggie doo-doo and lose 1%, and all 22% "thinking" about DeSantis switched, DeSantis would win. In theory Trump is "catchable" in Iowa, but nationally he's the clear choice. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:20, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Lol. There is no National Primary. The First Primary is the Iowa Primary and there Evangelical Christians are Dominant. Pro-Life, Anti-Woke Governor Ron De Santis is clearly the Conservative Christian Candidate of Choice.<br /> <br /> Next, it's even better than I thought. Note the wording carefully: "Twenty percent of likely GOP caucus goers listed DeSantis as their second choice, with an additional 22 percent saying they were still actively considering the Florida governor."<br /> <br /> So, (1) 19% support De Santis as first choice (2) 20% listed De Santis as second choice (3) AN ADDITIONAL 22 % say they are still actively considering the Florida governor. Can we put it all together and tally it? That means De Santis could win 19+20+22= a whopping 61%!!!<br /> <br /> That's Amazing! And that's the Reality of Conservative Governor Ron De Santis' Amazing Popularity with the Base the Press is hiding. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 09:30, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :No, you can't. You can't make their 2nd choice their first choice. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:33, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWs, the 22% are the undecideds. The 20% are committed. To make a leap in logic like you propose you need an entirely new alleged "scientific" poll. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:35, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Here's a simple mathematical and scientific formula you can use as a rule of thumb: NBC + NYT = BS. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:39, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Reminder: In Dec 2022, Governor Ron De Santis was CRUSHING Trump by 23 Points ==<br /> <br /> "In a new poll regarding potential Republican nominees for president in 2024, the Florida governor, Ron DeSantis, led Donald Trump by 23 points." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/14/first-thing-ron-desantis-takes-huge-lead-over-trump-in-republican-poll<br /> <br /> The only reason De Santis' measurable support declined a bit is because (1) De Santis was too focused on the Actual Hard Work of Governing rather than enjoying himself doing nothing or just campaigning - you know, like Trump raising the Debt by 8 TN Dollars, while De Santis ran Record Budget Surpluses - that Governing. (2) And because, the Press started their fake narrative that De Santis could not win. And also (3) because Trump attacked De Santis, but De Santis mistakenly didn't Punch Back (later he did) initially. I'd have advised him to.<br /> <br /> Just wait and watch. Let the Debates pass and let's see how the candidates do. By Dec 2023, De Santis could well be leading again. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 09:38, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Yep. It shows the [[corruption]], influence, and [[brainwashing]] big money can bring into the alleged "democratic" process. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:41, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Nope, that was his Excellent Record delivering Budget Surpluses, fighting the Woke Left, being Pro-Life, Anti-Fauci, Pro-Freedom etc that did that. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 10:04, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :And it's all been downhill since. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:15, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Bombshell Breaking: Two Constitutional scholars say Trump disqualified in 2024 race ==<br /> <br /> Not a constitutional expert myself, so I'll pass. But if Trump does actually become disqualified, well, then De Santis breaks 50% easily.<br /> <br /> https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/08/20/sotu-luttig-tribe-full.cnn [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 10:03, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Not even worth commenting on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:16, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, and who exactly is going to "disqualify" Trump? The Supreme Court? The Biden regime? the divided Congress? the CIA? [[Christopher Wray]] and the FBI? the [[United Nations]]? the [[World Court]]? the MSM? the [[Deep State]]? Who? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:20, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Lemme guess: some Mickey Mouse [[Soros mercenary]] [[DA]] can thwart the will of 70+ million voters by filing charges in local court. This is why American [[democracy]] is a model for [[Ukraine]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:25, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Let's revise our formula: CNN + NBC + NYT = BS(3). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:27, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> I do not know if it will happen or not. All I know is De Santis can beat Trump and do well regardless of whether this happens. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:00, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :That's what you, the big money [[Wall Street]] Republican [[establishment]], [[Deep State]] [[uniparty]], [[WEF]] [[globalist]]s and their controlled media believe. Common folk think different. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:15, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Common Folk gave Governor De Santis a 23 POINT LEAD over Donald Duck just a few months ago. Then Donald began his vicious attacks on the saintly Governor. Too bad the Governor was too much of a Gentleman to Punch Back for a Long Time, I'd have advised him to start doing so right away, otherwise precisely what has happened would happen. But it doesn't matter. Their record speaks for itself. One increases debt by 8 TN. One runs Record Budget Surpluses. One risks everything to join the Navy and Serve the Country. One runs away from the Draft and calls his battle with STDs while living in fornication his own personal Vietnam. Other is a model Husband and Father who faithfully fought for his wife and stood by her when she had Breast Cancer and her children couldn't understand what was going on. No prizes for guessing which is which and who will be better for America in the end.[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:31, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Big money donors, rigged polling, and the MSM gave him that supposed lead. What are you saying? are the common folk who have since seen the light stupid?<br /> :Bottomline, Trump was not a declared candidate at the time of that poll. DeSantis was. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:51, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if DeSantis went to 52% after announcing, that would have been something to write home about. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:58, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Nope. Trump was: "After months of speculation, Trump announced his candidacy for president in a November 15, 2022 speech to supporters at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida." The poll was in December 2022, so after this. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:52, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> And De Santis certainly wasn't a Declared Candidate at that time, since he only declared his Candidacy in May 2023 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:53, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :My bad. You're probably right. It goes to show you how far the deep state conspiracy against Trump had progressed already by December 2022. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:18, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Lol. The Deep State, and the Liberal Media that does its will, want Trump back since they can beat him, whereas De Santis will beat them. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:23, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Fourteenth Amendment (1868) says, "No person shall be...President...who, having previously taken an oath...to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."<br /> <br /> :This clause refers to people who served in elected office before the Civil War, then in elected office under the Confederacy, and then wanted to run for election after the Union was restored. In general, former Confederates were amnestied in 1872. A disqualification of this kind can only be enforced by the secretaries of state for the various states.<br /> <br /> :January 6 was a demonstration protected by the First Amendment. The only way the 14th Amendment applies is if "insurrection" is interpreted to mean "something the Democratic Party doesn't like."<br /> <br /> :This theory has been hashed over in the press more than once already. I would not call it a "bombshell." That it comes up again suggests that the MSN is once again worried that Trump can actually beat Biden in an election. In short, their fallback position is legalistic handwaving. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:46, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == CNBC: Trump holds big lead in new Iowa poll, but DeSantis and Scott see paths to victory ==<br /> <br /> "KEY POINTS<br /> <br /> Former President Donald Trump holds a double-digit lead over Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in a major new poll of likely Republican caucusgoers in Iowa.But the Des Moines Register/NBC News/Mediacom poll also found that a majority of respondents were still undecided as to who they will support, leaving a door open for Trump’s rivals.The poll was released days before the first Republican primary debate and the same week Trump is required to surrender to authorities in Georgia, where he faces more than dozen felony counts ...<br /> <br /> But Trump’s advantage is still not ironclad, according to the joint survey conducted by the Des Moines Register, NBC News and Mediacom. Fully 52% of respondents said they had not yet decided who they would support, while 40% said they were certain."<br /> <br /> https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/21/trump-leads-desantis-in-iowa-poll-ahead-of-first-republican-debate.html [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:41, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Fox: DeSantis campaign boasts endorsements, latest poll numbers as signs of momentum in Iowa ===<br /> <br /> De Santis is doing extremely well in Iowa, despite the Fake News Media trying to create a Fake Narrative to the contrary. The below proves it.<br /> <br /> "Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has received a historic 40 endorsements from Iowa state legislators, his campaign says<br /> <br /> Republican presidential candidate Ron DeSantis' campaign is boasting of endorsements and the latest poll numbers as signaling growing ground support in Iowa. <br /> <br /> DeSantis’ team said he’s received a historic 40 endorsements from state legislators and has a total of 120 county-level chairs supporting him – at least one in each of the state’s 99 counties. That’s the most of any candidate in the race, DeSantis campaign spokeswoman Carly Atchison told Fox News Digital. <br /> <br /> The Florida governor — just months away from Iowa caucus day — also has more than 10,000 Iowans committed to caucus for him, representing one-fifth of the total Iowans who caucused for former presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, when Cruz won the Iowa caucuses in 2016 ...<br /> <br /> Despite having more than $20 million spent against him, DeSantis is still viewed as favorable by two-thirds of likely caucus-goers, the highest favorability of any candidate in the field, according to a new Des Moines Register/NBC News/Mediacom Iowa Poll of 406 likely Republican caucus-goers conducted Aug. 13-17 ...<br /> <br /> The Des Moines Register poll shows 66% of respondents viewed DeSantis favorably, compared to 29% who saw him as unfavorable. This was ahead of the current frontrunner, former President Donald Trump, who was viewed as favorable by 65% of respondents. <br /> <br /> DeSantis is also the first choice, second choice or being actively considered by 61% of likely caucus-goers, just slightly behind the 63% of respondents who said the same for Trump. No other candidate has broken out of single digits."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/desantis-campaign-boasts-endorsements-latest-poll-numbers-sign-momentum-iowa [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:44, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Polish Army soon to be the strongest in Europe ==<br /> <br /> "Polish Army getting ready for any confrontation against Wagner! Polish Army will soon be the strongest in Europe! <br /> 500+ HIMARS<br /> 600 heavy artillery<br /> 1000 K2 tanks<br /> 96 apaches <br /> 32 F-35’s<br /> 48 light combat aircraft <br /> (#UkraineRussianWar️ #Poland" From Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/JamesPower91/status/1690681947360477184<br /> <br /> See also: "Poles have been on quite the buying spree including 366 Abrams, 32 F-35 fighters. From Korea: 180 K2 Black Panther tanks, 200 K9 howitzers, 48 FA-50 light attack aircraft, and 218 K239 rocket launchers with more many to come by decade's end. Belarus should be very careful :)" https://twitter.com/UkraineDiary/status/1693712502553473420 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:58, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Yep. And what a tragedy that is. The Polish adult male population (aged 15 on up) are the next to be targeted for extermination as cannon fodder in the NATO trained and equipped meatgrinders. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:13, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Wake up and smell the bleach. Reporting that Poland is going to replace Ukraine as Europe's strongest NATO proxy is an admission Ukraine got its butt kicked and was defeated with NATO training and equipment. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:15, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> "he could analyze the position of the Catholic bishops of Ukraine. He instead considers Ukrainians only as an object of manipulations by western globalists and that is offensive to us. Our country is not just a battlefield between the United States and Russia, it is a sovereign country with a population of about 40 million people with one of the biggest areas in Europe. And it is our country that was attacked by Russia, and it is our army that spends a war for the freedom of our people." https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/interview-priest-society-saint-josaphat-war-ukraine-73867<br /> <br /> Poland and NATO are going to win. Its over for the Kremlin. This or that skirmish aside, that will be the long term result.<br /> <br /> The numbers, the results, the weapons, the relative population and gdp of Russia and NATO etc leave little doubt about that conclusion.[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:26, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Ukraine lost its sovereignty. It's owned by [[BlackRock]] now. Only BlackRock will have to negotiate with Putin (through the [[US State Department]] or whatever intermediary) for what the borders of the [[rump state]] will be, only NATO will not be there to defend it after the negotiations and agreement are finalized. My guess is, BlackRock may wish to liquidate their holdings at a loss eventually. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:33, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :'''Poland update''' (elections in October): [https://korybko.substack.com/p/polands-ruling-party-is-panicking? Poland’s Ruling Party Is Panicking After A Rural Populist Just Allied With The Opposition]. [[NATO]]-backed warmongers may be on their way out, if you can trust [[democracy]] and [[globalist]]s haven't rigged Poland's elections. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:07, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> In Britain, both Ruling Party and Opposition are Pro-Ukraine. In Poland, have you checked how it is? I haven't, so might check later, but I suspect it could be the same. It is Russia/the Kremlin that wants to steal Ukraine's Sovereignty. Ukraine is caught between "the devil and the deep blue sea", between "a rock and a hard place" as the sayings go. It will need NATO and EU support, as well as of private enterprises to rebuild its economy which Russia destroyed. But it remains a Sovereign Nation with a Wartime President whom some 90% of its citizens support, as I posted down below. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:10, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Too bad the UK is not a [[democracy]], huh? It's just another [[totalitarian]] [[globalist]] slave state with a controlled media, worse than Canada or the US, about to face more covid [[lockdown]]s, mask mandates, and [[vaccine mandate]]s. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:59, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :[https://www.gbnews.com/news/watch-outrage-as-woman-praying-silently-is-arrested-in-uk-street-taken-away-by-police-for-a-thoughtcrime/411506 Christian woman arrested for praying in her head outside UK abortion clinic]. This would never happen in Putin's Russia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:03, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Right now, we need to focus on denazifying the [[White House]]. And DeSantis is in bed with the [[globalist]] money donors who support the [[Deep State]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:12, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> I'm aware of that UK Incident, and I posted it here on Conservapedia and condemned it. It would never happen in De Santis' America either, yet you are unwilling to help do your part to make that happen, thus letting down your Christian brothers and sisters and handing them to the Woke Mob. Only De Santis is a Credible Culture Warrior and Conservative Christian Candidate who can beat the WOKE Pro-Abort/LGBT Left. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:19, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Poll: 95% of Ukrainians trust Military, nearly 90% want to join NATO ==<br /> <br /> "Some 95% of Ukrainians trust the Armed Forces of Ukraine and 80% trust President Volodymyr Zelensky, according to the poll published on June 30 by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) and the National Democratic Institute (NDI).<br /> <br /> Up to 94% of respondents said it is important to have a fully functioning democracy, which is a significant increase compared to 76% in December 2021." https://kyivindependent.com/poll-95-ukrainians-trust-military-80-trust-zelensky/<br /> <br /> See also: In February 2023, over 90 percent of the Ukrainian population approved of the activities of Volodymyr Zelenskyy as the president of the country. The approval rating was at approximately the same level as in June 2022. Zelenskyy's popularity within the country was significantly higher in 2022, when Russia invaded Ukraine, than in 2021."https://www.statista.com/statistics/1100076/volodymyr-zelensky-s-approval-rating-ukraine/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:04, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, the [[Kyiv Independent]], you mean the CIA/[[NED]] mouthpiece. That's nice to know. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:13, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :What this propaganda piece means is, after the civilian [[Zelensky regime]] collapses in another month or so and Zelensky flees, Gen. [[Zaluzhnyi]] or Syrsky takes over as president and head of a military junta, then opens negotiations with Russia. Russia however has no reason to talk, and will demand all NATO advisors leave and NATO arms shipments cease before any peace negotiations begin. So follow the status of Biden's $24 billion request in Congress, cause that must stop right there first before there can be any peace talks. <br /> <br /> :As to this Article 5 stuff in the ''Politico'' piece below, forget it. It's NATO trying to cover its butt after its defeat and disaster. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:52, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===Politico Opinion Piece - 3 Ways the Ukraine War could end===<br /> {|class="infobox" style="float:right; font-size:85%; width:1ex; line-height:17px; margin: 0px 0px 5px 50px" cellpadding="1"<br /> |[[File:As long as it takes.PNG|310px]]<br /> |[[File:Ukraine as long as it takes.PNG|320px]]<br /> |-<br /> |colspan="3"|<hr/>Yah yah yah we've heard all this bs before and know the endgame. 'Fool me once, shame on you...'<br /> |-<br /> |colspan="3"|<hr/><br /> |}<br /> Point 3 is that the War could conceivably end, with part of Ukraine joining NATO, at the July 2024 NATO Summit in Washington:<br /> <br /> "Fortunately, there is a third possible way to satisfy the need for Ukrainian success and Russian failure, over which Putin would have no veto.<br /> <br /> In this scenario, the United States would give the Ukrainian military whatever it needs to advance as far as possible in its counteroffensive. At an appropriate point next year, Ukraine would declare a pause in offensive military operations and shift its primary focus to defending and rebuilding liberated areas while integrating with Western institutions. Then, at its July, 2024 summit in Washington, NATO would invite Ukraine to join the Western alliance, guaranteeing the security of all territory controlled by the Ukrainian government at that point under Article 5 of the NATO treaty.<br /> <br /> Offering Article 5 protection to Ukrainian territory in this fashion would be akin to admitting a divided Germany to NATO after World War II and to America’s security pact with South Korea after the armistice that halted the Korean War without reunifying the Korean Peninsula. This would be a defensive pact, but not a commitment to take direct part in any future offensive operations Ukraine might choose to undertake." https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/08/18/how-to-end-ukraine-war-00111752 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:17, August 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Yah, this news is a couple of days old. What's happening is the blame game. NATO and the US [[intel community]] want out, but don't want to be seen as the losers. So they have to blame [[Zelensky]] and [[Ukrainian]]s as cowards. Zelensky may not be that stupid, that he doesn't see the handwriting on the wall, that he's about to get dumped like the Afghan National government, the government of South Vietnam, the [[Shah of Iran]], [[Ferdinand Marcos]], Guido in Venezuela, etc etc etc etc. So you can take your "as long as it takes" rhetoric we've heard for 18 months now and stick it up your butt (as I've been warning). NATO is just trying to create some excuse to get to get the H out without being seen as the loser. <br /> :If NATO wants to grant Ukraine Article 5 status, fine. Let NATO come back itself and fight Russia, now that NATO has virtually exterminated the adult male population of Ukraine with BS promises.<br /> :When Russia set out to denazify Ukraine 18 months ago, it was fully prepared to demilitarize and denazify NATO and Western Europe, if necessary. They've only partially succeeded in demilitarizing NATO. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:52, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Biden could have sent over F-16s and ended this war a long time ago. Why didn't he? Perhaps it has something to do with the [https://nypost.com/2022/01/27/chinese-elite-have-paid-some-31m-to-hunter-and-the-bidens/ $31 million in Chinese money] or the [https://nypost.com/2022/10/17/hunter-bidens-real-estate-firm-received-over-100m-from-russian-oligarch/ $100 million in Russian money] that Hunter has collected. Like Deep Throat said, follow the money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 13:46, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::We've discussed the F-16s extensively on this page; they are not the gamechanger, and the only difference they make is raising the threat of nuclear war. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:08, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::They may send 6 over there (where they take off from remains a problem); after the first 1 or 2 are shot down, the American defense contractors will have gathered enough intelligence (presumably) about Russia's advanced air defense systems ([[S-400]], for example) and electronic warfare to integrate into the design of the [[F-35]]. That's it. After that, the war is over, and Ukraine's use as an "experimental testing ground" (Zelensky & Reznikov's words) is over. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:13, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The Russians talk about a nuclear response all the time. The most common threat these days is not about F-16s or any other specific weapons system, but rather that they will use nukes if they are losing the war. This of course suggests that the military balance has already turned against them. As we saw in Afghanistan, Biden has a thing for losing wars. Whatever terms Putin wants, I'm sure Biden would make an effort to accommodate. Just have another oligarch send an additional $100 million over to Hunter.<br /> <br /> ::::Putin to likes to win wars, Biden likes to lose them. Why can't they make a deal? The problem is that Putin isn't fighting for Crimea, Donbass, Mariupol, or any other item that Biden can accommodate him on. For Putin to stay in power, he needs endless war. If Russian forces ever reach Kyiv, they will continue to Poland or Moldova. After all, Putin is at war with Nato, not Ukraine. George Orwell explained how this works in ''Nineteen-Eighty Four.'' [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 15:31, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Russia won the war over a year ago. You've been exposed to ''waaay'' too much Western propaganda. <br /> <br /> :::::It looks like right now funding will be cut off (even Dem Ranking Members in the House admit the war is lost); the [[CIA]] wants out. The problem is NATO covering its butt, cause nobody wants to admit defeat.<br /> <br /> :::::So this means a negotiated settlement on Russia's terms, which could take place before year end, or a continued losing fight which the peoples of Europe and America don't want, and more Ukrainians exterminated by NATO & Biden regime policy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:03, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::We're at the point Hitler was at in February 1943 after the surrender at [[Stalingrad]]. The war was lost, but Hitler fought on for more than two years, causing needless deaths of millions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:07, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Put succinctly, if Congress gives Biden the $24 billion he asked for, it means more Ukrainian dead and more territory lost. Either way, the war ends now, next year in 2024, or in 2025 - the war ends on Russia's terms. <br /> <br /> :::::The American people are not ready to be mobilized for war with Russia, neither are the European after the last Ukrainian is killed. America does not have the factories to build weapons, nor does it have the trained workers to work in those factories.<br /> <br /> :::::If you want nukes as America's first line of defense since we can't build the conventional weapons, or the ships and aircraft to transport them to the battlefield, or the fuel to power them, fine. It won't defend America from nuclear attack. The only alternative is for NATO to get the H out of Ukraine, and never return. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:35, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Heh. Laughable. You are living in Dream-Land, Rob, but I will not be the one to wake you up right now. I'll let harsh reality do that later. A word to the wise, you cant' fight statistics.<br /> <br /> Will repost something I shared in the Conservapedia Debate on this: "Ukraine/NATO will win. Will explain why later as I'm busy writing other articles now.<br /> <br /> For now, just consider the GDP and Population of Russia vs NATO Respectively.<br /> <br /> NATO GDP: > 40 Trillion Dollars. Russia GDP: less than 2 Trillion Dollars.<br /> <br /> NATO Population: Around 1 Billion People: Russia Population: less than 150 MN.<br /> <br /> No contest. No contest. Russia knows this, which is why it will never invade Finland (or any NATO Country)." That says it all. Putin's Kremlin knew it had itself caused Finland and Sweden to join NATO, but it was then forced to accept it, and will not risk invading then. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:16, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Rob says Stalingrad 1943. My historical analogy is Afghanistan 1986. At that time, some traitor deputy CIA director was holding up approval for the Stinger missile. Once it was approved, the Soviet Union was history. Today, we have the same situation with Atacms, long-range HIMARS, and F-16s. The Russians know exactly who to pay off to stop delivery. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 17:31, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::(ec) The United States doesn't even manufacture [[TNT]] which is required for artillery shells.<br /> <br /> ::Democratically speaking, the majority of the population in NATO countries in Europe and North America oppose further escalation, so the 1 billion figure is meaningless. 2/3 of the planet support Russia.<br /> <br /> ::GDP numbers measured in dollars is meaningless. It's calculated by exchange rates, and takes no account of the value of resources and their reserves like oil, gold, uranium, etc which Russia is among the world's largest holders and producers (IOWs, the method of calculation is flawed; that's how NATO blundered into the war). With [[de-dollarization]], the exchange rate has no future in those calculations. <br /> <br /> ::Here's a dirty little secret that I don't have the time or space to go into why, here and now: The United States, since the beginning of the [[Cold War]], has never depended on conventional weapons as its first line of defense. The United States has always relied on [[nuclear weapon]]s for the simple fact the US could NEVER compete the with the Soviet Union then, or Russia now, in conventional arms production. It costs more to produce a tank to transport it to the battlefield in Europe cause enough ships and planes also have to be built to transport the weapons in any significant or equal numbers. And Russia can always raise the cost to the US by producing more, and delivering them to the battlefield, quicker. <br /> <br /> ::Heck, the US could never compete with German tank production, then or now, for the same reasons.<br /> <br /> ::Succinctly, the cost of building conventional weapons throughout the Cold War and until now, as it has been represented to the American taxpayer, has ALWAYS been a fraud, and is just a [[boondoggle]] to Congressional districts. The US has never relied on conventional weapons as its first line of defense, the Soviets then, and the Russians now, have always known this. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:42, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Russia went into this war in 2022 knowing the United States, even with its NATO allies, cannot win a conventional war against Russia. If nukes are to be used, it will the US decision. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:52, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The United States has always relied on its "first strike" capabilities - not a "last resort" = these scenarios using both conventional and nuclear have been gamed out routinely on both sides for many years. And they have been openly discussed in arms control talks. Since about 2013, the same nitwits who came up with idea of overthrowing the Ukraine government, have advanced the US doctrine of "[[nuclear primacy]]", i.e that the US can do a first strike and survive, or at least a 150 million Americans may survive. Of course, nobody really knows, given the total incompetence of US intellig3nce in gauging Russian military strength. <br /> <br /> : That's an eternal problem in US intelligence: they always have to decide what they should tell policymakers - what they actually know or what the decision makers want to hear. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:18, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::I never knew the full story of......how the Soviets won the Cold War. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:46, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::It's simple logistics. In WWII, the Germans and Soviets were in competition to build bigger, better tanks. The US could never compete, cause the cost of ship building had to be figured into the unit cost of each tank. The tanks had to be smaller to pack them on ships. The Russians and Germans can roll them off the assembly line straight into battle. <br /> <br /> ::::Nothing changed over the Cold War, other than the ability to deliver a few by aircraft.<br /> <br /> ::::In the 1970s, the Pentagon wanted to go a two-man tank, but Congressmen who served in tanks units in WWII wanted to stick with a 3 man tanks. Political interference in war planning and weapons design didn't really matter, cause tank production, among other conventional ground weapons, were never relied on as America's first line of defense in the event of war with the USSR. So they remained just a boondoggle for jobs in various districts.<br /> <br /> ::::In the [[Gulf War]], you saw the same thing. The US delivered 1,000 Abrams to the battlefield, a superior tank to Saddam's 6,000 T-62 (do the math, an Abrams would have to knock out six T-62s to have a 50/50 chance of survival. But they were held back and never saw action, as the A-10 Warthog knocked out all Saddam's tanks. The Abrams were there just for show, despite all the media hype. <br /> <br /> ::::You see the same thing right now - the Abrams are held back, while German [[Leopard 2]] are sent in to go toe-to-toe with T-90s. Not that the Abrams isn't in the class as a Leopard 2 or T-90, it's just that they are way more expensive (when you factor unit cost of delivery to the battlefield), and the risk of loss and replacement is too much. <br /> <br /> ::::American tanks and conventional weapons are cosmetic, cause the US has since 1949 relied on its nuclear first strike capabilities in the event of war with Russia. By the end of the Korean war, the Soviets reached nuclear parity and have held it ever since (with the theoretical exception of the [[neocon]]s who came up with this [[nuclear primacy]] doctrine in 2013, which is the cause of this current conflict, and may be implemented once all the Ukrainian, Polish, Baltic, and German proxy soldiers are dead. A nuclear first strike then will be the only option America has left if it wants to continue war.) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:32, August 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::This war has changed battlefield doctrines going forward permanently. [[ISR]] and drones have made maneuver warfare and "Big arrow" offensives obsolete. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:49, August 22, 2023 (EDT).<br /> <br /> ::::Sure, America has been a large conventional arms producer for sale to third parties, but designing weapons to go toe-to-toe with modern Russian weapons has always been built on guess work, and is not a priority cause of the nuclear first strike doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:11, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == De Santis' Record on Conservative Judges in Florida ==<br /> <br /> "He added, "And in Florida, I inherited a very liberal state supreme court, maybe the most liberal in the country, very activist. But I was able to replace three of the four liberals my first month in office with conservative justices. I've since been able to make a number of appointments since then. So we now have the most conservative state supreme court in the country. And so I think we have a really good track record on doing that.:https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/desantis-says-he-has-respect-for-trumps-3-supreme-court-appointees-but-theyre-no-thomas-or-alito-well-do-better-than-that/articleshow/100947146.cms [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:02, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Breaking: [[Prigozhin]] dead==<br /> Who'd a thunk it, a war hero like that dying in such a tragic accident. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:27, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Who killed him? No mystery there, right? [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:03, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::[https://youtu.be/DjUOBVAbGhQ Freddo, I know it was you]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:17, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :No. Shoigu and Gerasimov finally got to deliver Prigo some serious ammunition. In other news, smoking Utkin as well is the first bit of authentic de-Nazification of the war to date. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:37, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::I mean, what a tragedy to go out at the peak of your career. Some say, he was only getting started. Let this be a lesson - stay clear of [[MI6]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:58, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Maybe there can be peace talks now. Putin says, "Okay, I'll get rid of Prigozhin"; Biden agrees, say "Okay, [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fsome-of-the-documents-leaked-by-teixeira-were-completely-v0-0c6sthfoj4ib1.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D4514b0f77382f37cba6d09af0999309613bc23b6 I'll get rid of Zelensky]." That might clear the air. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:05, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::"There’s not much that happens in Russia that Putin's not behind," [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/biden-hints-putin-behind-wagner-group-boss-plane-crash according to Biden]. He's getting better at indirect hinting than he was after Nordstream. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:21, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::This isn't a whole lot different than when Zelensky [https://sonar21.com/are-the-ukrainian-political-elite-starting-to-eat-each-other/ took out the whole top leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs] last January - on [[CIA]] orders. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:30, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The problem the Russians have now is, who do they negotiate with after [https://jonrappoport.substack.com/p/stage-set-for-joe-bidens-removal-from-office Biden is deposed?] [[Colin Kahl]]? [[Samantha Power]]? [[Victoria Nuland]]? the fake Georgia electors? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:52, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> You got me, Rob. I did it. I killed Prighozin. I confess. Lol. Anyway, it's a Pity and a Shame what the Kremlin's Thugs are doing. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:53, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :[[Zelensky]] faces a choice now, he can flee like the [[Shah of Iran]] and [[Ferdinand Marcos]], or end up like [[Diem]]. I'm sure his advisors aren;t that srupid that they haven't shown him that letter from Kahl to Power. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:09, August 23, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Two best reports as of this moment:<br /> ::*[[GRU]] analysis: [https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/special-report-the-curtain-closes Simplius];<br /> ::*[[CIA]] analysis: [https://sonar21.com/wagner-titular-head-prigozhin-dead-or-alive/ Larry Johnson];<br /> :ignore all else (in fact, don't even taint or pollute your mind with biased versions and reports). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:09, August 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Maybe Putin needs a good chef and decided to fake Prigozhin's death? You can't stay mad at your chef. A political leader dying in an air crash happened a lot in the 1930s and 1940s. It's an odd way to die in this day and age. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 07:27, August 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Debate Reviews: De Santis, Haley, Pence did well. Christie lost an exchange to Ramaswamy and Ramaswamy lost one to Haley ==<br /> <br /> So, I watched the debate and been reading some reviews. Lots of people mentioned (1) Haley's exchange with Ramaswamy on Foreign Policy, and most acknowledge she won that. Likewise, (2) Ramaswamy won his on Trump vs Christie. (3) Pence criticized R on multiple issues (3) De Santis held his own and stood above the fray and talked about his Conservative Record and his Winsome Policies and Successful Re-Election.<br /> <br /> Good Debate: I would say De Santis, Haley and Pence did the best. Ramaswamy, Christie and Scott next. The other two barely showed up.<br /> <br /> The NYT below quotes 2 Conservative Debate Reviewers:<br /> <br /> "Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, said during the debate that he expected Mr. DeSantis to “deal with constant incoming” attacks. By the end, Mr. Lowry said that Mr. DeSantis had “helped himself” by sticking to his message — and took “no incoming fire.”<br /> <br /> Other observers noted Mr. DeSantis’s ability to stay in comfortable territory, trumpeting his conservative track record in Florida as proof that he could steer the Republican Party to success.<br /> <br /> Mary Katharine Ham, a journalist and conservative commentator, called Mr. DeSantis’s strategy “effective.” <br /> <br /> “Gimme a topic. Yeah, I did that thing. Let me tell you what I did. It happened in Florida. Results,” she said, summarizing his approach."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/24/us/politics/who-won-debate-republican.html [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 04:01, August 24, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Here's an excerpt: "You have no Foreign Policy Experience and it shows!" The ChatGPT line was another Zinger! https://youtu.be/5ht3qDRIgHw [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 04:06, August 24, 2023 (EDT)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1971893 Talk:Main Page 2023-08-18T15:23:40Z

<p>Rafael: /* The first thing we do, arrest all the liberals */</p> <hr /> <div><center>''This page is for intelligent discussion only related to Main Page content! We are attempting to better coordinate editors<br> for collaborative input on MPR news reporting. This begins with education on programmed [[MSM]] narratives and sources.<br> Non-MSM sources can be qualified for MPR use here. Posts not related to Main Page content will be summarily removed!<br>Our intent is to get readers and editors eyes off programmed MSM [[collective]] herd [[brainwashing]] and gain a deeper understanding<br> of events shaping our daily lives. All other off-topic discussions, suggestions, socializing, frivolous rants, or rehashing MSM garbage<br> can be posted at the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal]].''</center><br /> <br /> <br /> [[Talk:Main Page/Archive index]]<br /> <br /> == Criminal charges for Ray Epps? ==<br /> <br /> Ray Epps's participation in the January 6 demonstrations was both more prominent and better documented than that of anyone else. Hundreds of other participants were charged and convicted, but not Epps. Is the DOJ charging him now to help him with his lawsuit against Fox?<br/>"The theories surrounding that have led Epps to file a lawsuit against Fox News, claiming that he was defamed by Tucker Carlson. In a shocking turn of events, though, the lawsuit claims, as part of its case, that the DOJ has notified Epps that they will be seeking criminal charges against him," according to [https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/07/12/ray-epps-lawyers-say-doj-is-criminally-charging-him-over-january-6th-big-question-immediately-arises-n775583 Red State].<br/>The lawsuit would give Fox's legal team the opportunity do discovery and see if they can find out who Epps really works for. Somehow, I doubt they will take advantage of it. Fox agreed to pay Dominion a preposterous amount of money in damages not long ago, so it seems that their legal strategy is to roll over in the face of lawsuits supported by the establishment left. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:44, July 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :If he drops the suit, that might be the end of it. Fox might even pay him $50 for his troubles. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 22:52, July 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::The MSM has tentatively begun subjecting the Biden family to scrutiny, but Epps remains a holy of holies. He was just a regular Trump-loving J6er who somehow got caught up in the Tucker Carlson smear machine, according to [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/12/why-cant-right-wing-bubble-give-up-ray-epps/ this preposterous article] in today's ''Washington Post''. As a student of the MSM, I can tell you that ''WaPo'' would never give Epps favorable coverage if they thought for a moment that he was a sincere Trump supporter. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:39, July 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == RFK Jr is not an anti-Semite ==<br /> <br /> The media is filled with wall-to-wall denunciations of RFK's supposed anti-Semitism. He claimed that the covid virus was “ethnically targeted” to spare Chinese and Jews. This is most likely a misunderstanding of a scientific study that he read, [https://youtu.be/tm6nEKi7Yqc or so says Ben Shapiro.] The man has spent his whole life providing no indication that he is in any way anti-Semitic. Now he is best-known for this incident. Its a dirty media attack modeled on the post-Charlottesville attacks on Trump's supposed pro-Nazi stance. We all say dumb things from time to time, don't we? An out-of-control media is twisting innocent comments back on its targets. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:59, July 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> : Thoroughly disgusting, and it started in the Biden White House. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:18, July 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::RFK lost his father to Palestinian terrorism. This is what the ''New York Times'' thinks of him nowadays: "[https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/15/us/politics/rfk-jr-remarks-covid.html Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Airs Bigoted New Covid Conspiracy Theory About Jews and Chinese]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:52, July 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::If he wanted to say that it just so happened that it targeted one group over another (nevermind the facts of thousands of Jews of all backgrounds that died of covid) but not that it was intentionally programmed by humans maliciously.... We can still all agree, that he wasn't careful to the dsensitivity of the most victimized group past present as a result of conspiracy theories... as tools for hate and genocide.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 00:04, July 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::RFK is using a paper written in 2020, before there was any hard data on this issue. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 11:09, July 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32664879/ This evidently is the paper]], a 2020 [[NIH]] US govt study. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:21, July 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::Bobby Jr disputes that Sirhan Sirhan killed his father, but NYT probably doesn't mention that in their article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:17, July 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::Sarah Carter: [https://youtu.be/8LIo4GncPRQ Don't Let Anti-Semitic Dems Get Away with Spewing Bigotry]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:48, July 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::[https://www.thedailybeast.com/dont-expect-cheryl-hines-to-denounce-husband-robert-f-kennedy-jr The MSM is demanding that RFK's wife denounce him]. I guess Anita Dunn really is a Maoist. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:14, July 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::This is [[blackmail]]. They're demanding she denounce him or she becomes a target, too. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:53, July 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::::Nobody cares whether RFK is anti-Semitic or not -- or about any of his other opinions for that matter. He's crime is running against Biden in the primaries.<br /> ::::::[https://youtu.be/Tz1T-mEnbPI RFK gave a great speech] about his uncle's negotiations with Khrushchev (the adults told him not to touch the hotline phone), the need for peace, and the war in Ukraine. He can keep the conspiracy demon at bay when he needs to. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:54, July 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == What is the Pentagon's "foundational sacred obligation"? ==<br /> <br /> Did you think that the military was there to defend the United States and its constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic? Ha ha, the joke's on you. "Female family members being able to count on the kinds of healthcare, reproductive care specifically, that they need to serve, that is a foundational sacred obligation of military," [https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/biden-spokesmans-absurd-and-obscene-claim-u-s-military-has-a-sacred-commitment-to-abortion/ according to White House spokesman John Kirby]. The woke gods demand human sacrifice. Military facilities are banned from providing abortions under a law enacted in 1984. In the Biden era, that doesn't seem to slow them down. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:48, July 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :[https://www.dossier.today/p/confidential-biden-dod-memo-reveals Confidential Biden DOD memo reveals "transgender" service members can skip deployments and receive indefinite physical fitness/standards waivers]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:09, July 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == WH destroys confiscated coke? Look! Trump! ==<br /> <br /> The announcement [https://foxwilmington.com/headlines/jesse-watters-the-biden-white-house-just-blew-up-the-bag-of-cocaine/ that the Secret Service had destroyed the bag of coke found at the White House] may be the biggest jaw dropper to come out of the Biden White House yet. No sooner was it made, than [https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2023/07/18/source-trump-target-letter-does-not-mention-sedition-or-insurrection-ex-prez-only-person-named-n778629 Special Counsel Jack Smith unveiled his "target letter" against Trump]. Just a weird coincidence, I am sure. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:24, July 19, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Hunter just agreed to being pee-tested. [https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2023/07/26/judge-hits-hunter-biden-with-new-conditions-of-release-after-not-guilty-plea-n2626253] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:41, July 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Sundance's latest==<br /> On the domestic front, excerpted: [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/21/a-specific-type-of-continuity/]<br /> {{quotebox-float|"The term ‘continuity of government‘ became much more common in the aftermath of [[9-11-01]] and the thunder shock of an al-Qaeda inspired terrorist attack in New York and Washington DC.<br /> <br /> Within the very brief discussion period that led up to the 10-26-01 [[Patriot Act]], literally a structural reform of the entire domestic terrorist apparatus that created the Director of National Intelligence ([[DNI]]), the Department of Homeland Security ([[DHS]]) and the Transportation Safety Administration (TSA), a bill only debated for a few weeks, the baseline was the enhanced ‘continuity of government‘ in the event of an emergency.<br /> <br /> ...the outcome of the Patriot Act was to create a system where every American was now viewed by our federal government through the prism of the citizen being a potential [[terrorist]] threat. The federal government aligned all of our institutions and systems accordingly.<br /> <br /> DHS was created to monitor American behavior, the TSA was created to scan American travelers, and the [[FBI]] was enhanced with resources to conduct [[surveillance]] despite our [[Fourth Amendment]] protections within our constitution. Instead of the U.S. govt protecting U.S. citizens from foreign threats, the Patriot Act change the mission of government to protect itself from potential citizen threats.<br /> <br /> In essence, We the People became the suspects, and all of the constitutional viewpoints within the FBI and [[Dept. of Justice]] were modified to create monitoring systems.<br /> <br /> The [[legislative branch]] was considered part of a this newly protected elite class of Americans, and the [[judicial branch]] deferred all scrutiny to the executive as long as they claimed, ‘[[national security]].’ The secret [[FISA court]] system would grant the agents surveillance power over U.S. citizens.<br /> <br /> As the foundation of this new surveillance state was just being finalized, [[Barack Obama]], [[Joe Biden]] and [[Eric Holder]] then entered government via the 2008 election, and weaponized this system to target their domestic political opposition....<br /> <br /> ...it was the viewpoint of a very specific type of government “continuity” that led to the opposition against [[Donald Trump]] by democrats and republicans.<br /> <br /> Trump would be a disruptive influence if introduced into a continuation mission that did not like change. This ‘continuity’ mindset then established the justification for every institution and element of the [[bureaucracy]], including almost all layers of the people who run them, to oppose Donald Trump.<br /> <br /> By the time the 2016 election arrives, We the People had already been defined by the Patriot Act outcome as a threat to government. If we the people did not select the right kind of candidate who would be approved by the continuity system, then our selection would be rejected by all of the operators of that [[administrative state|administrative system]]....}}<br /> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:15, July 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Jake Driezin's latest==<br /> On the [[foreign policy]] front, excerpted: [https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/07/21/dreizin-saves-you-70000/]<br /> {{quotebox-float|"In short, a Hegemon is a mob boss. You might be on his “soft side”, if he likes you, but he’s still the boss, with his fingers in every worthwhile pie in the borough. And, the boss DEFENDS HIS TURF.<br /> <br /> But, WHY? Why is maintaining Hegemony so important???<br /> <br /> At the Government level, Hegemony provides for countless “job justifications”, career improvement prospects, bureaucratic “turf”, ego trip and legacy-building opportunities, sweet gigs and contracts for useless offspring (e.g. [[Rosemont Seneca|Biden’s and Kerry’s sons]]), etc. “Hegemony” means having Uncle Sam’s fingers EVERYWHERE… and that’s A LOT of jobs, and A LOT of budgets.<br /> <br /> At the private-sector level (i.e. for the “Daddy Warbucks” crowd), being bound “to protect our friends and allies against X country”, is, of course, extremely LUCRATIVE. We’re talking, [https://russia-insider.com/en/military/epic-fail-heres-why-most-us-weapons-systems-are-worse-russias/ri11097 tens of billions of dollars just to produce PowerPoints about weapons that never even make it to the prototype stage.] Likewise, Washington, DC-area contractors getting paid millions of dollars to print and distribute kindergarten-level pamphlets about “[[democracy]]“, or to run Facebook pages or Twitter accounts to hype up protests in Iran or Belarus. It’s A LOT of money. (And, of course, there’s the famous “[[Revolving door|REVOLVING DOOR]]” between the civilian and military bureaucracy on the one hand, and the private sector as well as the nonprofits—[[thinktank]]s, the [[National Democratic Institute]], etc.—on the other.) You with me, so far?<br /> <br /> Now, where is the “peace lobby”? Where is the lobby for non-intervention? THERE IS NONE. There’s no money in it. And, “peace” and “anti-imperialism” don’t turn people on, like abortion, getting Trump, or whatever.<br /> <br /> These concepts DID turn people on, at a mass level, in the late 1960s, through the 1980s. But, no longer. Most of those leftists are dead or co-opted. Just look at “[[AOC]].” Retire your Grateful Dead T-shirts, those days are gone! Even the Democrat media that opposed the [[Vietnam War]] (only under [[Nixon]], of course), now labels any dissident as radioactive, a Putin stooge. (As I’ve mentioned, we’re at a WW1 or WW2 level of [[propaganda]].)<br /> <br /> Now, although the average household would be HUGELY harmed by a U.S.-China war (through extreme shortages of goods to include BASIC MEDICINES, etc., and I’m not even talking about [[nuclear war]]) that threat seems distant, vague, and doesn’t motivate working stiffs, or their save-the-world brats, or industry groups, or BILLIONAIRE POLITICAL DONORS.<br /> <br /> So, you have this interest group, that has NO CHECK OR BALANCE. It’s like some new species of algae, which chokes off a pond. It’s not like the “fossil fuels vs. renewables” battle, where even Team Biden might lay off the oil guys, when gasoline gets too expensive. It’s not “importers vs. domestic manufacturers”, however lopsided that one is. Here, there is NO OTHER SIDE. It’s like an amoeba-blob, that just keeps growing… and growing… and growing. It perceives no limit. It is funded by hypothetically-unlimited [[deficit spending]] of “global [[Petrodollar|reserve currency]]” dollars. It doesn’t care what voters think. It doesn’t even care what politicians think. The normal, usual brakes, systemic feedback… ARE NOT THERE!!! Even worse, journalists, staff and Members of Congress, and presidential candidates, now understand they will be, literally, SPIED ON, if they threaten to restrict this blob in any way other than STRICTLY RHETORICAL. (“Dissident” journalists even get stopped at airports, nowadays.) No one wants to be another Trump, let alone, another Kennedy...}}<br /> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:49, July 21, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Biden allegations pile up ==<br /> <br /> Will any of the latest scandals slow the Biden crime machine down? "[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/five-most-significant-allegations-against-the-bidens-fbi-fd1023-form Five most significant allegations against the Bidens in FBI FD-1023 form]." We do get a juicy detail. Burisma boss Zlochevsky noted that Hunter was dumber than his dog. Hunter is the smartest guy Joe knows, remember? Zlochevsky's dog for president! We already have Joe's videotaped confession to the Viktor Shokin firing. I would thought that was a game-stopper, but somehow the fortunes of the Biden family march on. Bribery and scandal is Joe's brand. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:08, July 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :This stuff is so routine in DC, with Senators and House member's family and kids receiving [[kickback]]s from appropriated funds, you can tell by the lack of reaction from members, bureaucrats, and journalists. They are bored stiff. The people to who this is news is the American people.<br /> :It was the same with the [[Clinton Foundation]]. Hillary pushed the "Russian Reset", rammed the [[Uranium One]] deal past [[Robert Mueller]] and [[CFIUS]], took a $175 million commission from the sellers (Bill got a $500,000 commission from Putin and the buyers), and went back to being a [[Russophobe]]. Meanwhile, after the Russians purchased Uranium One fairly and squarely in the global capitalist [[free market]], Obama & McCain steal it back with Russian sanctions. No wonder the Russians don't believe a word coming out of the mouth of American officials. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:47, July 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::They now have the bank records to show that Zlochevsky paid off Joe to fire Shokin. That gives us all the elements required for a bribery conviction. Perhaps it will matter when we get a Republican attorney general. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:55, July 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::[[Rudy Guiliani]] had all the bank records and evidence at the time of [[Trump impeachment 1.0|Trump's first impeachment]], and look what happened. (That was before the existence of the [[Laptop from Hell]] was known). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:50, July 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::[[Andrii Telizhenko]] gives perhaps the best eyewitness narrative in fluent English of anybody. [https://thegrayzone.com/2023/07/13/bidens-corruption-led-to-ukraines-destruction-fmr-kiev-diplomat/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:59, July 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I am going to step out on a limb and give a 45% chance that the CHS (Confidential Human Source) is [https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/J._Cofer_Black J Cofer Black]. Not saying it is or it isn't, just assigning a probability. What is known of the CHS? The CHS (a) does not speak Russian, (2) has deep connections in the US government. The character Alexandr Ostapenko is hard to trace, given it is a fairly common name in the [[Ruski Mir]] (there's even a cabinet minister in the [[Crimea]]n government with the same name, but this Ostapenko is said to be working for the Zelensky regime. Another of Ostapenko's employers, Valery Vavilov, may give us insight into Ostapenko's skill set. [[Bankman-Fried]] is the No.2 richest cryptocurrency trader, and Vavilov is No.25. [https://www.entrepreneur.com/money-finance/the-50-richest-people-in-crypto/398707] Vavilov hired a former US Comptroller of the Currency. [https://www.zdnet.com/finance/bitfury-hires-former-us-acting-comptroller-of-the-currency-brian-p-brooks-as-its-ceo/]). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:32, July 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::If I remember rightly, Guiliani's records were about Burisma's payments to Hunter. Since "the Big Guy" got ten percent according to the laptop, we could do the math. The House records show disguised payments to Joe as well. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:52, July 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::Here's [[Shokin]]'s full statement, which I have dated Sept. 4, 2019. [https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement#] This section here, [[Trump_impeachment#January_2018]] has everything that relates to now, including this statement, "Yuriy Lutsenko, who replaced Shokin as the prosecutor looking into Burisma, said the evidence in the Burisma case he'd like to present to William Barr, particularly the vice president's intervention," one year and 9 months earlier. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:15, July 22, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :'''Impeachment inquiry:''' [https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/07/24/mccarthy-biden-probe-rising-to-the-level-of-impeachment-inquiry-we-have-credible-informant-in-biden-1023-form/ This needs to be delayed and coincide with Trump trials beginning May 20, 2024.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:07, July 25, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Biden's dog==<br /> Didn't Biden have a dog that died a year ago or so who also bit Secret Service agents?<br /> <br /> As a dog owner and lover, I can say dogs' behavior is a direct reflection of their owners. Dogs who are taught or encouraged to bite reflect owners with a lot of enemies and people who live in fear. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:51, July 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :At any civilian case, if a dog bites [https://nypost.com/2023/07/25/biden-dog-commander-bit-or-threatened-10-people-sent-one-to-hospital/amp/ 7 times]...[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])<br /> ::I can see being paranoid around strangers and crowds with his record after 47 years in the Senate, but it also reflects what Biden really thinks about people and his own constituents. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:36, July 26, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::"Owners of aggressive dogs were found to be more likely to have a history of antisocial behaviors and instances of animal abuse or neglect." - Psychology Today.[https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/canine-corner/202303/do-bad-dogs-have-bad-owners] <br /> <br /> :::It appears as if all the Biden family sexual harassment, hair sniffing, cocaine use, money laundering, bribery, human trafficking and boozing has come home to roost! <br /> <br /> :::Given that German Shepherds are more likely to bite than some breeds such as Golden Retrievers, it's time that the Biden found a breed less likely to bite. Either that or clean up their act! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:04, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::Great points by both of you [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])<br /> <br /> ==NATO war propaganda hits new low==<br /> [[File:UK propaganda 7-24-23.PNG|right|300px|thumb|'''Propaganda fail:''' According to the UK ''Sun'', Russia operates German [[Leopard 2]] tanks and Ukraine uses Lancet drones.]]<br /> According to the UK ''Sun'', Russians operate [[Leopard 2]] tanks and Ukraine uses [[Lancet]] drones. [https://youtu.be/fVmhxx5VrAA] (Read the comments if you don't believe it).<br /> <br /> When consuming [[propaganda]], bear in mind the content creators begin from the premise that you are [[stupid]]. Nowhere is this more evident than in [[Karen Dawisha]]'s book, ''Putin's Kleptocracy'', which few people have read. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:08, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> [[Doug MacGregor]] comments on the role [[atheism]] plays in [[globalism]]. [https://youtu.be/h-HJhQThF24 They Pushed The Russians Too Hard And Now They're All Doomed]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:04, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===The Big Push has arrived===<br /> <br /> When Sevastopol becomes a NATO base, we'll know we've won the war: "[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-27/ukraine-begins-major-push-in-the-south-in-its-counteroffensive#xj4y7vzkg Ukraine Steps Up Counteroffensive With Big Push in the South]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 08:54, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Lol. They need manpower, tanks, and aircover to do it. They have none (rather, rapidly running out). <br /> <br /> :[[Propaganda]] alone cannot win a war. This seems to be the major flaw in contemporary US/NATO doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 09:42, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :[https://youtu.be/g_CqTYZRMEU No Sane Person Goes to War against Russia (Military Textbook Ch. 1 Par. 1)]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:22, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::What is this? Guy expounding on Russian history from behind the steering wheel of his car? At least he's belted in. He'll be ready to move as soon as traffic breaks up. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:38, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::The guy meets [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability Wikipedia Notability Guidelines] for his own bio page. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:20, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :'''Scenario:''' About November 2023, the [[Biden regime]] will begin waving the white flag; [[Victoria Nuland]], who can cuss in Russian like a Russian sailor, has been appointed to the negotiating team. The problem with this scenario as laid out in open source from US [[leak]]s is, the Russians will not acquiesce to any [[NATO]] presence east of the [[Polish]] border. Yet the Biden regime proceeds as if it's a done deal. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:48, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Biden needs to show results before the New Hampshire primary in January. [https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-russia-launches-new-mass-missile-strike-kyiv-says-air-defense-capabilities-increased/ Ukraine will get the Abrams tank in September and the F-16 by the end of the year], just in time to defeat RFK Jr. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:28, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::(a) it won't go that far; (b) the first F-16 that crosses into Ukraine airspace means Polish airstrips & Ramstein get nuked, or at least hit with [[Kinzhal]]s and Iskanders (this is why US involvement won't last until Feb 2024); (c) the only alternate scenario is the [[NATO_war_in_Ukraine#Polish_deployments|Russo-Polish war]] (Poland has reserved some ammo and equipment for itself, but the US has run out and can't help. Poland does have manpower however, that can be fed into the meatgrinder since the Ukrainians are running out). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:29, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::Note on manpower needs: Ukraine entered the 2022 conflict with the largest standing military and reserves in Europe. Its army was larger than France, Germany, and the United Kingdom combined. They are all dead now. Ukraine is rebuilding its army for the fourth time in this conflict now, with the average age being 37, with no prior military training or experience. And it doesn't have the combat-experienced officers either to rebuild with.<br /> :::Note on Poland: Poland's dreams of empire have to get past the voters first in the October 2023 elections, assuming the globalists won't rig that election, either. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:25, July 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::'''Polish update:''' Being that Planet Earth knows the [[Wagner group]] is a rogue outfit outside [[Moscow]]'s control, if the Wagner group were to invade Poland, NATO cannot legally justify invoking Article 5 against Russia. [https://www.politnavigator.net/vagnera-legko-vozmut-zheshuv-azarjonok.html Wagner will easily take the NATO base at Rzeszow in Poland]. <br /> ::::Biden would have to invoke the [[Bush Doctrine]] against [[Belarus]], by the precedent of holding the Taliban responsible for harboring Al Qaeda. Of course an attack against Belarus is an attack against all 85 constituent republics of the Russian Federation. <br /> ::::It's a game of chicken; let a NATO member state kill a single Wagner fighter or Belarussian soldier on Belarussian territory from a NATO member states' territory, and see what happens. This scenario will likely play out once fighting between Wagner & Polish "peacekeepers" commence in Western Ukraine (and we won't even go into [[false flag]] scenarios). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:25, July 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ===AI in drone warfare===<br /> For the first time in warfare, in [[Bradley Square]], we are seeing drones equipped with [[artificial intelligence]] seeking out and choosing for themselves which targets to destroy. [https://youtu.be/RyPIUNypMCs] The era of "precision guided" munitions is past. I'm sure AI robotic warfare is a relief to a lot of people's [[conscience]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:12, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Background: Russia entered the war with basically only one drone design, the Orlan, which looks like a hobby model available at any hobby shop. Each artillery unit had an Orlan for spotting and correcting (which the US and NATO does not have) and proved very effective. Russia acquired the Lancet (or Geranium) design from Iranian Shaid drone. It has proven extremely cost-effective. Russia is now building 1 million Lancets.<br /> <br /> :IMO, one motive behind NATO's provoking Russia to war is to discover more about its [[electronic warfare]] and other advanced technologies. It needs this, if the US really is intent on provoking the Taiwan crisis. The US needs to know how to defeat the [[S-400]] and [[S-500]], seeing that Russia would share that technology with China if the Taiwan provocation plays out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:38, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWs, while the US is said to have "air superiority", Russia is generally recognized as having the most advanced and superior missile defense systems on the planet (a jet aircraft is also a "missile"). Before spending more money on more advanced US aircraft, the US wants to force Russia's hand to lay some of its cards on the table about its missile defense systems, rather than US designers having to rely on guess work. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:55, July 27, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::The German [[Leopard 2]] tank, the supposed most advanced tank on the planet, is a good example of relying on guess work in its design. Of course, you don't really know how effective a weapon is going to be - no matter how much money you put into the project - until it is combat tested. The Leopard fails. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:06, July 28, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWs, that world depicted in the 1984 film ''[[The Terminator]]'', where the robots with artificial intelligence rise up to exterminate the remaining human population, is here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:43, July 31, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :In addition to AI, facial recognition is being tested on kamikaze drones. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:21, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::So it's not just a matter of sending you a ticket for J-walking anymore - they can wipe you out with a drone, as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:24, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Dems step up prosecution of Trump ==<br /> <br /> Back in March, the idea of prosecuting a former president was considered a huge norm-buster, a violation of over two centuries of tradition. Using the legal system to take out political opposition was downright undemocratic. Now there are so many cases pending against Donald Trump that we need a "[https://www.politico.com/interactives/2023/trump-criminal-investigations-cases-tracker-list/ definitive guide]" to keep track of them. The classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, the Stormy Daniels payoff, the phone call to the Georgia secretary of state, and Trump's role in the January 6th demonstration are all going to court, according to "target letters" issued by the relevant prosecutors.<br /> <br /> If the Democrats are confident that Joe Biden can defeat Trump, why do they want him out of the race so badly? My theory is that Biden knows that he's not getting a second term, either for undisclosed health reasons or because of the Hunter Biden bribery scandal. He wants credit for removing Trump from U.S. politics to "finish the job," as he phrases it. Prosecuting Trump is the closest thing Biden has to a popular policy. Attacking the democratic process is thus not a matter of expediency; Its what Biden wants to be remembered for. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:52, July 30, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Fortunately, we have some proven, well qualified sources covering the matter. TechnoFog is one of the best among several; he has proven himself through the [[Trump-Russia scam]] and impeachment, Mueller investigation, Durham investigation, etc. He even attends DC court hearings. For this reason, I'm not as engaged in the current Trump prosecutions and Hunter Biden problems as previously, cause we have respected, credible sources to use. <br /> :My focus is to connect the dots between [[Trump-Russia]] as the motivating factor and prelude to the [[Ukraine war]] - something all the same qualified sources say, but is a conspiracy so vast that when its true dimensions are known will forever be deserving of the maledictions of all honest men. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:14, July 31, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> === Andrew McCarthy on the Trump indictments ===<br /> Donald Trump may be flying high in the polls, but the reality is that the prosecutors and the Deep State decide. See "[https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/out-of-all-indictments-georgia-is-the-most-perilous-threat-to-trump/ Out of all indictments, Georgia is the most perilous threat to Trump]" by Andrew McCarthy. The Fulton County attorney and some Georgia jurors will decide who the next president will be -- and they are not likely to pick Trump. Trump needs to drop out and endorse somebody who can win in November. I want to see Chuck Schumer on trial for Ashlee Babbit's murder. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 11:58, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == West scrambles to hash out details of F-16 Training for Ukraine ==<br /> <br /> Say it with me. NATO Population: 1 BN, Russia: 150 MN; NATO GDP: >40 TN, Russia GDP: <2 TN. There is no way Russia can win this War.<br /> <br /> "The scramble by the West comes as Ukraine calls for additional military capabilities to break through Russian defenses on the battlefield. And Ukraine is ramping up pressure on allies to send F-16s again this week, as Russia pulled out of a deal that allowed civilian ships to transport grain through the Black Sea; Ukraine’s foreign minister said Tuesday that the jets could help protect a corridor that is vital to global food security.<br /> <br /> One training proposal that has been discussed involves bringing Ukrainian pilots to the United States to receive instruction from the 162nd Air Wing, an Air National Guard unit based in Tucson, Ariz., that already trains foreign partners on the F-16."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/25/west-ukraine-f-16-training-00108111 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 05:48, August 2, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Those numbers are screwed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:01, August 2, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Russian Foreign Ministry and Ministry of Defense could not be more clear (and they do not need to repeat it over and over and over again): If they see an F-16 flying east over Ukraine territory, they will regard it as a nuclear attack. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:44, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IOWS put succinctly - all the talk from Western sources reported in Western media about Ukrainian pilots trained on F-16s and supplying Ukraine with F-16s is interpreted in Moscow as making nuclear threats (it does not matter if Western MSM fails to understand or report that fact). Please, stop spewing Western veiled nuclear threats in Main Page talk. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:55, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Russian military has no way to discern if an F-16 flying east over Ukraine is armed with a nuclear or conventional bomb, has stated they will assume it is nuclear equipped, and will respond accordingly. Period. Paragraph, End of Statement. Please desist. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 02:59, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The [[propaganda]] in the ''[[Politico]]'' article posted is what you call "bluster", and if the sources quoted are serious, they are insane madmen. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 03:05, August 3, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :[https://www.azerbaycan24.com/en/russia-becomes-europe-s-biggest-economy-report/ Russia becomes world's 5th largest economy and largest in Europe], surpassing Germany despite sanctions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:08, August 5, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Must read==<br /> [https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/last-stop-before-willoughby Last Stop Before Willoughby] (2 min read). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:43, August 9, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Re: MPR post of "Poll: Putin named World's Most Respected Leader." ==<br /> <br /> Re: Main page right post of: '''Poll:''' [[Putin]] named World's Most Respected Leader. [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/joe-biden-is-dead-last-international-poll-who/]<br /> <br /> The actual news story's lead as far as it's first two sentences is: "In a recent online poll on Twitter X Joe Biden ended up dead last in an international poll on respected leaders. Russia’s Vladimir Putin was first with 35.6% of the vote followed by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi with 33.7% of the vote, followed by Ukraine’s Zelensky with 21.9% of the vote."<br /> <br /> A Twitter poll can be affected by bots. I realize that a scientifically done representational poll done by Gallup International would be more expensive, but sometimes truth comes at a steeper price. <br /> <br /> My guess is that the wealthy countries aligned with the USA would tend to be more anti-Putin. Of course, Russia has its allies too. And then much of the global south and/or poor countries are unaligned so they are better able to negotiate for the best deals. India has been unaligned for a long time. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:27, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The article actually says, "Russia’s Vladimir Putin was first." Case closed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:31, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::I suppose if you want easy answers that fit your views and are closed-minded it is "case closed", but otherwise one would have to spend more money. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:35, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I's a fact: the Department of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University found Vladimir Putin the world's most respected leader in its annual World of Statistics polling. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:41, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Should be an eyeopener for students and young people compared to the [[MSM]] [[brainwashing]] and garbage readers like yourself routinely consume. 19:43, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::I am open to that notion, but I want a source. And the source has to agree with what you are claiming. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:44, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::Also, the Twitter poll posted on MPR was done by the Twitter account of "World of Statistics".[https://twitter.com/stats_feed/status/1688618337473810434] And unfortunately, we don't know who runs that account. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:47, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::::Fortunately, we do: the Mathematics Statistics Dept of Georgia State University, which I just stated above (sorry, I know you comprehension is a little bit lagging). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:50, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> Furthermore, as far as a "Department of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University" poll, when was it done? I ask because both sides of the war in Ukraine have engaged in war atrocities. See: [[Essay: Russian war crimes in Ukraine]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:52, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Ok. You are not giving a source as far as your alleged "Department of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University" poll. I will remain a skeptic then. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:53, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Find it yourself.<br /> <br /> :::::(ec) Did you read the Consortium news piece in the Propaganda update? This section made me immediately think of you:<br /> ::::::"[https://consortiumnews.com/2023/08/10/caitlin-johnstone-illusory-truth-unprovoked-invasion/ Their repetition of this war propaganda slogan exploits a glitch in human cognition known as the [[illusory truth effect]]], which makes it difficult for our minds to tell the difference between the experience of hearing something many times and the experience of hearing something that’s true.}. <br /> :::::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:54, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> Anyways, the Departments of Mathematics and Statistics at Georgia State University could do a Twitter poll in good faith, but it could have been tainted by Twitter bots. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:57, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Also, "The accuracy of a poll depends on how it was conducted. Most of Pew Research’s polling is done by telephone. By contrast, most online polls that use participants who volunteer to take part do not have a proven record of accuracy. There are at least two reasons for this. One is that not everyone in the U.S. uses the internet, and those who do not are demographically different from the rest of the public. Another reason is that people who volunteer for polls may be different from other people in ways that could make the poll unrepresentative. At worst, online polls can be seriously biased if people who hold a particular point of view are more motivated to participate than those with a different point of view."[https://www.pewresearch.org/2010/12/29/how-accurate-are-online-polls/] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:02, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::The American Association for Public Opinion Research recently released a detailed report on the strengths and weaknesses of online polling. The full text of the report can be found [http://poq.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/10/19/poq.nfq048.full.html here].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:04, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::(ec) Sorry, you're going to have to take that up with the professional statisticians at Georgia State University. <br /> :::Nowwhere in the poll results does it say it was a Twitter poll, as you ass-u-me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:07, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::The non-aligned countries often share a common trait: Making expedient deals. That's one of the strengths that Donald Trump had as a real estate mogul. He was a dealmaker as president. The Abraham Accords had one of its prime focuses on economic deal-making and the various country's economic interests. Biden can't hold a candle to Trump and he made the Ukraine-Russia situation much worse. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:29, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::Interesting; but I don't see how that relates to the subject of this thread. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:31, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> The nonaligned countries and their citizens focus on "what have you done for me lately". Unfortunately for Russia and Ukraine, they are going to get further damaged in the war in Ukraine which may drag on for a long time. So they will have less to offer the world. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:35, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Still don't see how that relates...[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup><br /> ::Oh, well. I tried to explain it to you. If you still don't get it, I can live with that. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:51, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::Trump didn't even make the poll, and what do war atrocities have to do with the poll? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:03, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Okay, I think I understand now. You associate the name "Putin" with "Trump", "Zelensky", and "war". You do not associate it with "leadership", "the Russian nation", or "Christianity". Okay. That tells me a lot about how your mind works and processes information. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:57, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Breaking: Kupiansk front collapses==<br /> ''[https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/08/10/today-borscht-reichs-kupiansk-front-collapsed-in-mass-retreat-of-militia-2nd-echelon-units-lacking-fire-support-facing-logistical-breakdown-as-veteran-russian-forces-advanced-all-of-this-toda/ Developing]''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:38, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://youtu.be/k-S77ygsp1k Catastrophe Looms Over The Entire Kupiansk Frontline.] This is an ex-pat dissident channel. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:55, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *According to Dima of the Military Summary channel, the Russians have 100,000 troops in this sector; according Driezen, Ukraine has no reserves left here, as the Russians just broke through their second echelon. This means, the collapse in this same sector the Russians experienced last September is being reversed, and brings the Russians up to the doorstep of the city of [[Kharkov]]. However, no siege is likely yet, as some Russians forces need to head south and deal with other frontlines elsewhere from the Ukrainian rear. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:00, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::100km doorsteps ftw [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:53, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> [[File:Screen-Shot-2023-08-12-at-8.33.37-AM-937x1024.png|right|400px|thumb|Ukrainian citizens are waking up. War has not been declared, so [https://www.bitchute.com/video/BFRuB1AP79IT/ martial law and conscription is illegal] under existing law.]]<br /> :::There is nothing standing between them and Kharkov. But they'll probably break-off a large contingent south to help out at Krasny-Limon first and north to secure the border - once they finish up work at Kupiansk. <br /> :::Besides, Odessa is more important to secure than Kharkov right now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:59, August 10, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Conway, I'd be interested in hearing your assessment of what remains of Ukrainian fighters; as I understand, Ukraine only has about 40,000 NATO trained/equipped troops remaining. The rest, about 160,000, are untrained/unexperienced conscripts pressed into service with an average age over 37 (many in their 50s). There is talk of another mobilization, but there's nobody left to press into service. Fully 90% of all males (say over the age of 15) will have served before the war is over. What remains have long left the country and likely will never return. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:19, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *[https://weapons.substack.com/p/ukraine-update-keep-an-eye-on-kupyansk Ukraine Update: Keep an Eye on Kupyansk] Russia May Soon Shift its Strategy, STEPHEN BRYEN. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:25, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::Note: What Bryen says about the Wagner group returning to Russia, cited to the ISW, is false information. By law, a private military company like the Wagner group cannot operate on Russia soil, which is why they were withdrawn from [[Lugansk]] and Rostov and sent to Belarus. See also [https://youtu.be/2T0rwE6Y10s HistoryLegends], a pro-Ukraine channel. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:35, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Manpower isn't an issue. Ukraine fully mobilised in Feb. 2022. Currently / nationally, they've got around a million serving in uniform (inc. support & rear / staff units) and they're still actively recruiting and forming new brigades. As long as the materiel keeps flowing, they can keep this going indefinitely and they intend to. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:09, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::A million when you count the men 70+ and 15 year olds (the railway workers are considered the "hidden army"; also, now you have the mobilization of doctors and technocrats for combat duty). But we're not getting much reporting on the political situation; all the hardcore "nationalists" are dead, and their widows are pissed off. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:12, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::::This can't keep up: [https://www.bitchute.com/video/J1JWnKQNaEEw/ Ukrainian Recruits Sent To Dig Trenches Found The Buried Corpses Of Previous Cannonfodder There]. I have another report on how Zelensky is destroying Ukrainian families by sending men to the front, which I'll post later when I find it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:09, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::[https://tsarizm.com/analysis/2023/08/12/ukraine-a-country-of-misery-how-to-find-more-troops-for-bloodshed/ Ukraine, A Country Of Misery: How To Find More Troops For Bloodshed] (machine translated). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:39, August 12, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::As far as I understand it now, here's what Zelensky's latest decree is suppose to do: his illegal order to grab conscripts off the street in select communities and regions has changed: he's now sending those guys (the kidnappers) to the front, and replacing them with returning veterans who lost an arm or leg. How a guy with one leg is suppose to chase a draft dodger down the street, as we've seen in countless videos, is unclear, but it's never been like he really cares anyway, so long as the [[DC]] gravy train keeps rolling. And apparently the new decree may apply nationwide, and not just in select regions and communities with Russian and Hungarian populations that the Kyiv regime (and NATO) seek to exterminate by sending draftees, pressed into service, on suicide attacks.<br /> <br /> ::::Reports indicate foreign mercenaries are being assigned to units to shoot in the back anyone who tries to desert or refuses to attack when ordered to do so, replacing the Nazi units which now will probably see more frontline action. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:24, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::The reason mercenaries have been assigned to take over the role of commissars one can only speculate, but I would guess it's because it is well known the Russians particularly target foreign mercenary groups (and have even stepped up their targeting) in both the front and rear. So evidently their numbers have been reduced, and recruiting hasn't gone so well over the past year or so. This still gives mercenaries a vital function to play, and hopefully reduces the number of foreign mercenaries deserting and returning home. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:45, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::Bear in mind, certain stories leaked out about the holocaust during World War II, but most people found the stories too incredible to believe and dismissed them as propaganda. It wasn't until the war was over before the truth came out, and the magnitude of government policy was understood. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:01, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::[https://www.bitchute.com/video/fkto39NnUchb/ Do you detect a change in Ukrainian society from February 2022?] The commissars themselves are now being sent to the front. This means the end is near, when the military and society itself begins to collapse. Great leadership on the part of Zelensky, NATO, and all their Western civilian backers. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:24, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> The decree is about getting ahead of a brewing scandal re. regional recruitment officials accepting bribes from draft dodgers. It's likely some pretty rich & powerful Ukrainians will be found to have bought their sons out of serving and - politically, at least - it makes sense to nuke the entire regional recruitment leadership and start again.<br /> <br /> There's no wider issue re. recruitment. Sure, virtually all those inclined to volunteer have done so already, but <br /> that's just what happens in any sufficiently big war. Eventually, you have to start pressing people into service. They might not be thrilled at the prospect, but as long as they know what they're fighting for - and they do - most of them will grit their teeth and get on with it. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:40, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Oh wow. So "recruitment" now means [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/press-gang "press gang"] and "draft". Okay. I hope you hang around to help translate more of this common [[propaganda]] terminolgy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:05, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Did you see the [https://videopress.com/v/PWnUihfT video from a few weeks ago] of the [[fragging]] incident? where the Ukrainian commander tossed a hand grenade into a bunker full of Ukrainian soldiers who refused to fight? The big mystery is, why would they post it on the internet afterward? And no, it's not a fake or Russian propaganda. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:12, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::There is a video of this same incident with subtitles I can't find right now; but he's basically arguing with the soldiers cause he sent them to occupy a certain position and they returned to the bunker here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:16, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not a day goes by where there's not a half dozen videos of the press gangs in action. People now are beginning to fight back. And the widows are confronting them in street, asking "Why don't you go to the front?" That's what Zelensky evidently is responding to. Also, the regime now is beginning to requisition people's vehicles (mostly the nice ones) off the street, as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:12, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> :ConwayIII wrote: "grit their teeth and get on with it." <br /> <br /> :Spoken like a true Brit! <br /> <br /> :Carry on, ConwayIII. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:59, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Obama and transgenderism ==<br /> <br /> Traditional history records a handful of transgendered freaks like Emperor Elagabulus (c. 204 -222). The modern history of this subject begins with John Money, who wrote a journal article about Canadian David Reimer in 1967. Reimer was born a boy and was brought up as a girl as part of a sick psychological experiment. He committed suicide in 2004. ''The Rocky Horror Picture Show'' (1975) gave us the word "transsexual." In 2015, Olympian Bruce Jenner announced that he was a woman. Suddenly, the issue everywhere. Thousands of years of human cultural were overturned by a ''Vanity Fair'' cover. <br /> <br /> There was obviously more to the story, but the magazine cover was only part that the MSM was interested in telling us about. After watching [https://youtu.be/E3um55ckPKs this Megan Kelly video], I suspect at that we can thank President Barack Obama for this problem. He wrote up fantasies about gay sex, according to Kelly. [https://youtu.be/WGLn9wGGSOQ He had a masculine-looking white girlfriend at one point]. He gave her up to have a politically correct marriage with Michelle.<br /> <br /> If you recall the panic over covid, it seems that drug companies are calling the shots these days. So how can we control them? Malcolm Gladwell has a podcast about how California and other states [https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/revisionist-history/in-triplicate headed off the opioid epidemic by requiring forms to be filled out "in triplicate]." I remember when "in triplicate" was a metaphor for the dumbest, most pointless form of regulation, so this backstory was fascinating. Maybe its time to do something similar for puberty blockers. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:20, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The story of [[Michael Robinson]] has been known for a while. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:39, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::During the 2008 campaign, Obama's ''Dreams from my Father'' (1995), was treated as a definitive account. In 2012, a biography by David Maranass went through the book and debunked every story worth debunking. All those stories about how Obama triumphed over race discrimination? They were fake, every single one. But Maranass's account just leaves us with more questions. If Obama had spent his undergrad years playing basketball and smoking dope, how did he get into Harvard? You're not even allowed to ask as far as the MSM is concerned. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 04:55, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::[https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/david-garrow-interview-obama Here is a recent interview with Obama biographer David Garrow]. Garrow's book was a bestseller in 2017. He tracked down Obama girlfriend Sheila Miyoshi Jager as well as his homoerotic letters. The letters are part of an archive kept at Emory University in Georgia. Every major figure in the Biden administration is an Obama appointee. They run policy while Biden focuses on making money for himself and his family. [https://nypost.com/2022/10/17/hunter-bidens-real-estate-firm-received-over-100m-from-russian-oligarch/ Compared to Hunter's $100 million in Russian money], Obama's book deal was worth a measly $65 million. The Garrow interview I linked to argues that Obama is running this administration, much like Jefferson writing letters in Monticello telling the Madison administration what to do. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 13:43, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Do you feel like adding some of this to [[Obama]]'s bio article? His post-presidency and legacy, or maybe his early life? I'm debating about adding [https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=NT2YjbI6&id=D1F7DC24C6EBAA8C2BA86871F1850BC1BCB6D7AD&thid=OIP.NT2YjbI6dxAm_VLudfLpDAHaHa&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fthefederalistpapers.org%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2016%2f03%2fObama-On-Septic-Pumper-Truck.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.353d988db23a771026fd52ee75f2e90c%3frik%3drde2vMELhfFxaA%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=600&expw=600&q=obama+septic+tank&simid=607996215202089094&FORM=IRPRST&ck=6D95A0F1D3101378ECDFDA649B32E336&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0 this photo to his Legacy] section. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:18, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::::I downloaded a copy of Garrow's book and I'll work on this when I have a chance. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:54, August 13, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Jordan Schachtel==<br /> [https://rumble.com/v369125-the-uniparty-vs-the-people-americas-new-political-landscape.html The Uniparty vs The People: America's New Political Landscape]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:21, August 11, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == Demonic ISIS Terrorism against Christians and Churches goes tragically under-reported in the world press ==<br /> <br /> God will have His Vengeance on the Persecutors of Christians: "Vengeance is Mine, says the Lord, I will repay"; "You are the Apple of My Eye, says the Lord; Whoever touches you touches Me"; "Saul, Saul why are you persecuting Me ... I am Jesus, Whom you persecute", the Lord said when His Martyrs were being Persecuted, as they are still today, above all by these Radical Islamist Terrorist Thugs. Will update the Persecution of Christians in the World Today article with this shortly, but it is also News that deserves to be more widely reported.<br /> <br /> From: https://www.memri.org/jttm/isis-africa-chad-cameroon-niger-democratic-republic-congo-nigeria-mozambique-targeting<br /> <br /> "ISIS videos in 2022 not only gloried in the killing of Christians and the destruction of their property and churches, but also in showing kidnapped Christian villagers being forcibly converted to Islam. Our adversary sees this campaign in ideological, Islamic supremacist terms most of all.<br /> <br /> African Christians are in a sense doubly stigmatized. Their suffering is minimized in the eyes of most of the West because they are both Africans and Christians, two categories that can be easily ignored by our enlightened elites more interested in promoting the latest fashionable progressive ideologies.<br /> <br /> But with talk of Africa becoming a higher priority for the U.S. as a result of intensifying great power competition, it is important to understand the full scope and ramifications of this bloody campaign. Certainly, the longer it continues, the greater possibility exists of the full ethnicization of these conflicts which could further fracture already stressed states and societies. What ISIS did to religious minorities in the Middle East it is seeking to do on a continent where Islam and Christianity are relatively equally matched. The potential result is pouring oil on a simmering fire.<br /> <br /> This comprehensive MEMRI report should be a wake-up call, not only about the military and security dimensions of the conflict in Africa that are too easily ignored, but about the ideological and cultural elements of this struggle. Only by understanding this crisis fully can we hope to address it successfully." [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:07, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :uh, [[ISIS]] was funded by the [[Obama administration]] and the US taxpayer (just as [[Ukrainian Nazi]]s now are funded by the US). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:26, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> The Clear Solution is an Integrally Conservative Christian Candidate for US President. Since NATO is a US-dominated Alliance, it follows that the Ideology - whether Atheistic and Woke, i.e. pro-abortion and pro sodomy LGBTQ, or Conservative and Christian i.e. Pro-Life, Pro-Family, Pro-Natural Marriage etc - that dominates the US will also dominate NATO. It remains that the Election of a Conservative Anti-Woke Christian President like De Santis will definitely help end the Ukraine War, because then the West will go back to promoting Christian Values. Indeed, the possibility of an American-Russian Alliance - against ISIS for e.g. which still Terrorizes much of Africa - at a not too distant date is still possible. But Russia also needs to go back to its own territory for that to happen. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 15:34, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :[[Deep State]] support for ISIS is why Obama fired [[Gen. Michael Flynn]] as [[Defense Intelligence Agency]] director cause he opposed it, and why the [[FBI]] framed him up on bogus charges - to silence him. And why the Deep State thwarted all efforts by the Trump administration. Unfortunately, not only is there no clue that DeSantis understands any of this, he's funded by the same [[globalist]] forces in bed with the Deep State. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:46, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Let me take part of that back - yes, DeSantis does understand much of the [[Deep State coup plot]], but his ranting against it is an empty handed gesture. Like Trump, he wouldn't be able to get his own appointments the proper security clearances past the corrupt FBI, and would have to staff his own administration with a bunch of deep staters, just has Trump was forced to. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:50, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :And even if he could get a single appointee, like [[Gen. Flynn]] for example who already had the proper security clearances, the FBI will harass and frame them up on bogus charges in order to protect itself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:55, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :: Brother, the Deep State really is Evil, and De Santis is the most dedicated, disciplined, tough, Anti-Evil Candidate I have ever seen. I'm not easily impressed, and I'm really impressed by De Santis. That is after many hours of researching his record and his accomplishments. This man walks the walk and not just talks the talk. He will Succeed in destroying the Deep State, which Trump could not completely do, though I'll happily admit Trump did do some good things. De Santis catching on to Fauci being part of the Deep State within the Trump Administration while Trump was still commending that is just one basic evidence for that I can think of. De Santis is the Crusading Christian Conservative Champion we've all been waiting for for 40+years since Ronald Reagan and he will take the Deep State down. Just give him the chance and see. If I'm wrong in 2028, I'll eat my words and you can quote them back to me right here. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:27, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::Here's where you need some understanding how the system operates (and we will not even go into the matters of [[FISA abuse]] or [[Weaponization of government]]).<br /> <br /> :::Presidentiual power consists of his powers of appointment, i.e. not so much what he himself does, but in the 2,000+ appointments he makes to the federal bureaucracy. No single person has 2,000 friends or acquaintances he knows personally to fill those appointments, so obviously a president is dependent on other people to make recommendations.<br /> <br /> :::Then these appointments have to pass FBI background checks, i.e. the FBI has [[veto]] power over presidential appointments.<br /> <br /> :::That is precisely the problem we face today; cause [[Chris Wray]] and the FBI aren't going to grant security clearances to anyone who wants to clean up the FBI, [[DOJ]], [[CIA]] or any other [[corrupt]] apparatus of the US [[intelligence community]] and [[deep state]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:40, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> :The issue here isn't who's right and who's wrong, or who's the good guy and who's the bad guy; the issue is the [[military industrial complex]] will sell weapons to '''''both''''' sides, Christians and Muslim terrorists, to keep the fight going (but won't sell to arms competitors, like the Russians). The deep state/military industrial complex doesn't care ''who'' gets killed or how many, but rather the more the merrier for arms sales profits. <br /> <br /> I care who gets killed, the Islamic Terrorists should get killed, and the Christians should be Free. Trump did Good Work against ISIS, unlike pathetic Obama who supported them, led by his Deep State. De Santis will do 10 times Greater Things. Support and rally around him and we win! [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:30, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::[https://www.bitchute.com/video/ROKP4Xg1ggLS/ Al-Qaeda mercenaries fighting for Ukraine complain of being paid with counterfeit money]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:44, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> :And who pays for these arms? Not Ukraine or some broke third world sh*hole, but you, the US taxpayer. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 15:59, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :And how does the US taxpayer pay for these arms? With money borrowed from [[China]], piling on the national debt. [[FDR]] used to respond to critics of [[deficit spending]] and the [[national debt]] by saying, "We owe it to ourselves", meaning we owe it to [[Wall Street]] or American elites. Today it's a [[foreign debt]]., [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:08, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :So yah, let's expand [[NATO]] to Asia with more money borrowed from China, so we can attack China and wipe out a debt justly owed. Makes perfect sense. But do you really think the Chinese are that stupid they can't see what's going on? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:11, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Expanding NATO into Asia will relieve the US taxpayer burden. Europe will pay more of its fair share and America won't have to go it alone. Asian Countries who are prospects join NATO are already supporting the Alliance in various ways like Japan and South Korea are. Expanding NATO into Asia makes all of us stronger and the world safer. It is a win-win for everyone except Godless Commie China. We are in Cold War 2.0. Wake up, Rob! The sooner we all see it, the better for all of us. We need Raeganite Peace through Strength against the New Evil Empire of today, which is Commie China. So many problems will become better once China has a True Democratic Revolution. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:32, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now do you understand why God commanded [[Solomon]] not to multiply horses? But Solomon disobeyed, and the kingdom was destroyed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:22, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *''" Indeed, the possibility of an American-Russian Alliance - against ISIS for e.g. which still Terrorizes much of Africa - at a not too distant date is still possible."'<br /> ::Indeed, [[Vladimir Putin]] has asked for this since nearly the day he took office (after the two Chechen wars in the 1990s), but the Bush administration, Obama administration, User:Conservative, and yourself have told him to go to hell. Now it's too late. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:53, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> He should propose it to a De Santis Administration, and it will almost certainly be accepted. If that's what Putin really wants, that is.<br /> <br /> But he needs to go back to his own country first and stop trying to take Kyiv for e.g. which he unjustly attacked and had no right to do.<br /> <br /> I did not tell him to go to hell, but only to go back to Russia's own territory. Saint John the Apostle says this: "11For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters, b if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him." (1 Jn 3:11-15). Putin should see he isn't helping anyone - certainly not Christian - by attacking a 90% Christian Country like Ukraine, not to mention 60% of whom are his brother and sister Orthodox Christians. Putin has been misled by the Deep State's own Agents within the former KGB. They play both sides and they want to promote the narrative that America and Russia are Eternal Enemies. It doesn't have to be that way. America should stop promoting Woke Ideology, which Patriarch Kirill has demanded. That's where De Santis comes in; he is the Strongest Anti-Woke Candidate America has ever seen and will be the Strongest Anti-Woke President she has ever known either. But Russia also needs to do its part for peace and that is pull out, like both the US and Russia did in Afghanistan. The sooner the better. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:36, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :It's not going to happen. We need a peacemaker like [[Richard Nixon]], when the country finally gets tired of endless wars. But you yourself are out there cheerleading for more war. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:47, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :(ec) And as noted above, a president needs diplomats and advisors to make peace, who can't get past FBI vetoes on their security clearances cause the [[military industrial complex]] controls (or is one big component of) the [[Deep state]], which controls the FBI. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:52, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Bwahahahaha! Nixon! Pathetic, Commie-appeasing, bootlicking Nixon. Watch the video I shared below, somewhere around 2-3 mins I think. Nixon was pathetic and totally messed it up. he had the opportunity of a lifetime to bring Russia closer to the West and totally blew it.<br /> <br /> Nixon is the Exact Opposite of someone we need. It is De Santis, the Raeganite minded Conservative of today. De Santis, I tell you! I'msure of it. Russia will love him because he is Anti-Woke. It's that simple. That includes Russian Christians and the Russian Church. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:55, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, Nixon should've nuked em, huh? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:56, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Video from China Uncensored: How long till China betrays Russia ==<br /> <br /> This Video mentions the Open Secret that China has never cared for Russia and is probably soon going to betray it. It is a pity Vladimir Putin thinks Godless Communist China can ever be trusted to be Russia's Friend.<br /> <br /> https://youtu.be/_k_GMnVrYeU [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:50, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :It won't happen until China and Russia break the back of US domination, first. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:53, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Watch the video please. It explains Nixon and Kissinger totally messed it up. Worst incompetents ever, or acting on orders from the Deep State. We need someone to take the Deep State down. De Santis is the Best and Logical Choice. He also understands the Evil Empire is China, not Russia. Down with Commie China's CCP!!! [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:56, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> See between 3-4 mins where Commie Thug Geng Biao gives the Game and the Secret Away: "We allowed Nixon's Visit, not in the least because of positive feelings toward the US. WE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SOVIET-US CONFLICT". Wake up, America! [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:59, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The Deep State took Nixon down. It would be easy to say cause he tried to make peace with Russia and China, but that isn't half the story. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:31, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Russia expresses Appreciation for Catholic Church's Efforts under Pope Francis to Promote Peace ==<br /> <br /> Nice to see. What I love about the Catholic Church is She is Truly Universal. She is Asian, African, European and American, and Australian. She is all things to all people, as Christ commanded us to be. And now Russia appreciates the Vatican's Efforts to Promote Peace. Let's hope Peace breaks out soon in these calamitous times:<br /> <br /> #Russia expresses appreciation for Vatican's efforts to help with situation in #Ukraine<br /> <br /> Comment in link: "Lord give us mercy and end the war in Ukraine and other conflicts around the world 🙏"<br /> <br /> https://youtu.be/8BfTFP_RtFA [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:04, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, did you see Zelensky just had the Satanic Nazi [[Azov Battalion]] take over the [[Kiev Pechersk Lavra]] last week? You'll probably have trouble finding sources in English. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:36, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Machine translation: [https://www.politnavigator.net/kievo-pecherskuyu-lavru-zaselyat-boevikami-azova.html Kyiv-Pechersk Lavra will be populated by Azov militants], with a photo of the Nazi thugs lined up outside the monastery where St. Ceril translated the bible and is buried. <br /> :The article itself is difficult reading cause it has a tone of resignation about many facts it assumes the reader is familiar with. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:47, August 14, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Jackson Hinkle: [https://youtu.be/rqdE2AV_ccc Ukraine ARRESTS Christians For Praying At Monastery]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:53, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==[[Teroborona]] update from American transgender spokes-thing (we don't want to be prosecuted for using the wrong pronouns) in Kiev==<br /> [https://www.bitchute.com/video/xOYHf6aQTkIh/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:16, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> RWA (Russians With Attitude): [https://youtu.be/WasACJnvjQo Sarah Ashton-Cirillo is a Kremlin Agent]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:40, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Analysis: It ought to be obvious Sarah Ashton-Cirillo has been hired by the Zelensky regime/CIA to teach English to Ukraine children using idioms and common rhetoric they hear daily in the Ukrainian language. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:28, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Future War Is Here==<br /> [https://www.bitchute.com/video/B7u6qWpYHhmp/ How Ukrainians retrieve bodies of their fallen cannonfodder]. <br /> <br /> Yep, Zelensky turned Ukraine into [https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/15/politics/ukraine-russia-war-weapons-lab/index.html an experimental proving ground] for Western military technology. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:27, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Note: rigor mortis hasn't set in in this particular subject; see also [https://www.sgtreport.com/2023/05/profiting-from-war-and-death-the-organ-harvesting-business-in-ukraine/ Profiting from War and Death: The Organ Harvesting Business in Ukraine]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:32, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Update: One Russian sources using this video claims the soldier is wounded and not dead. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:04, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Governor DeSantis interview with CNBC’s Brian Sullivan ==<br /> <br /> Brilliant as usual. Comments in the link:<br /> https://youtu.be/HCgYIS5f8-M<br /> <br /> "1.We need a monetarist leader in DC! 👏🏻<br /> 2. You have earned my Vote, President DeSantis! ❤<br /> 3. DeSantis 2024!🇺🇸❤️<br /> 4. Meanwhile DeSantis acts like an actual candidate." [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:55, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You should read Sundance's latest, just give yourself some [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/08/15/understanding-why-georgia-republican-governor-brian-kemp-supports-corrupt-fulton-county-da-fani-willis/ balance and perspective] on how the American political system works. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:50, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, some of this may be confusing if you are not a regular follower; the basic idea is - DeSantis backers don't care if DeSantis wins or loses the 2024 general election; the purpose of his candidacy is to prevent Trump from being the nominee. It's a GOP internecine struggle. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:02, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> I don't think that's true even for other supporters of Governor De Santis becoming President De Santis, but it certainly isn't true for me. I support future President Ron De Santis because (1) he's the Strongest Pro-Life and Anti-Woke Candidate in the Race and (2) There's arguably a Christian moral obligation to support the Strongest Pro-Life and Anti-Woke Candidate, especially if there's a good chance we can win the Culture War for good in 4 or 8 years of a De Santis Presidency. Conservatives should rally and unite around a De Santis Presidency soon! [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 23:33, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :When I say "DeSantis" backers", I mean it in the same context Sundance's article uses it, his financial backers. They don't care about you, the voter. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:31, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> De Santis Economic Plan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1yzEFYF4r0<br /> <br /> Comment: "Americans have forgotten what a real president sounds like. For far too long the public has come to believe that we need an entertainer to amuse us rather than to stand up for what's right and see all goals to completion. Ron DeSantis/2024" [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:38, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Will he or won't he? Trump "tempted" to attend the First GOP Presidential Debate ==<br /> <br /> He should. "Former President Donald Trump has not decided whether or not he will attend the first Republican presidential debate. NBC News Correspondent Garrett Haake reports the latest from Trump’s campaign."<br /> <br /> https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-is-tempted-to-attend-the-first-gop-presidential-debate-190806085695 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 23:31, August 15, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, so now we're depending on [[NBC News]] for reporting on Trump. Have they fired [[Ken Delanian]] or any of the other [[CIA]] [[troll]]s on the payroll yet? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:47, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Nope, not depending on them, and don't know the answer to your question. The issue here for Conservatives is whether Trump will show up or not. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:00, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The issue for [[conservative]]s is how much of anything they can believe coming from NBC News. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:20, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :NBC News does not provide information or news - they sell a product - in the same way [[Anheuser-Busch]] sells Bud Lite, Mattel Toys the [https://www.bitchute.com/video/FMBCWF5uqGJl/ Transgender Barbie], or [[Disney]] sells [[pedophilia]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:22, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Do you think Trump will show up for the Debate or not? [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:39, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :If his poll numbers rise after the latest indictments, probably not; it they remain flat or suffer, then yah he'll show up. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:13, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Fair Enough. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 07:52, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Deccan Herald: US House Committee recommends adding India to NATO Plus ==<br /> <br /> Yup, this is the Way Forward. A Joint US-India Alliance and expanding NATO to include India and other Asian Countries Allied to America. The Commie CCP's Worst Fear of all.<br /> <br /> "NATO Plus, currently NATO Plus 5, is a security arrangement that brings together NATO and five aligned nations - Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Israel, and South Korea - to boost global defence cooperation.<br /> <br /> Bringing India on board would facilitate seamless intelligence sharing between these countries and India would access the latest military technology without much of a time lag.<br /> <br /> The House Select Committee on the Strategic Competition between the United States and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), led by Chairman Mike Gallagher and Ranking Member Raja Krishnamoorthi, overwhelmingly adopted a policy proposal to enhance Taiwan's deterrence, including through strengthening NATO Plus to include India."<br /> <br /> From: https://www.deccanherald.com/india/china-select-committee-of-us-house-recommends-making-india-part-of-nato-plus-1222340.html [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 04:06, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now you see why the country is in such trouble - we have such incompetent leadership, even on the GOP side. And the GOP leaders have no excuse. You can't say they are just lying for [[propaganda]] purposes; no, they are just stupid and incompetent. Not only do they not have a clue about what is happening in the world, they don't understand how the world works in the first place. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 07:21, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Before you go off on this rah-rah NATO spiel, as a young person you need to understand a few things. For NATO to continue to exist, it needs a bogeyman. Whoever the role of bogeyman gets assigned to, that means an [[arms race]]. An arms race, in economic terms, means you have to pay for it throughout your lifetime with higher taxes, higher inflation, and less economic opportunities for yourself for educational, employment opportunities, or starting a business (cause the nation has other priorities than your private interests). Then, when push comes to shove, you see all the sacrifices you paid for advanced arms were wasted, cause all your expensive weapons don't work and are burning up in a field somewhere like Ukraine (or worse yet, are just abandoned to our enemies cause our military and political leaders knew all along they are worthless, like in Afghanistan). Then those weapons need to be replaced. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.<br /> <br /> :So, be a little more skeptical of propaganda sources before you bite off info about who the next Hitler, or who the next Reagan is (heck, I remember when Reagan was Hitler). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 08:08, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> '''''Breaking:'' [https://youtu.be/zqn14Xw7JE8 According to this guy,]''' who uses four sources, India is hooking up with Russia, China, Iran, and Belarus to oppose NATO & the US. <br /> <br /> Interesting term he invents here: NATO = the [[Axis of Good]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:33, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :'''''Bloomberg:''''' "China’s defense minister vowed to '''[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-15/china-defense-minister-excludes-us-in-vow-to-widen-military-ties#xj4y7vzkg strengthen military ties with a string of countries around the world, while excluding''' from that list the Asian nation’s biggest economic and geopolitical rival, '''the United States."''']<br /> <br /> :Translation: If Germany, the UK, and France (plus Italy, Canada or whoever else) wants to deepen [[economic]] and [[military]] ties (remember, military alliances are created to defend economic trading blocs) with China, they would have to leave NATO. And the entire NATO bloc's prosperity over the past 20-30 years has been built on (1) Russian energy, and (2) cheap Chinese manufactured goods. So it looks like people living in the NATO bloc outside the US have some tuff choices ahead, as they sink into despair and poverty as a result of American leadership and their relations with the United States. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:54, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==How the DC propaganda media works==<br /> This headline from ''Roll Call'', [https://rollcall.com/2023/08/15/once-a-conservative-lawmaker-mark-meadows-now-indicted/ Once a conservative lawmaker, Mark Meadows now indicted], is not addressed to the general public. It specifically is addressed to conservative lawmakers to think twice about supporting Trump. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:50, August 16, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == The first thing we do, arrest all the liberals ==<br /> <br /> Donald Trump could be arrested in Atlanta any time now. Three out of the four cases pending against him involve legal theories that are unprecedented in American jurisprudence. The classified documents case is the one with the best legal foundation. By prosecuting Trump and not Hillary, Biden is attempting to rig the 2024 election. How can the wife of a former president be immune from prosecution, but not an actual former president?<br /> <br /> As president, Trump had the authority to created his own standard for what was classified and what wasn't. He could have made everything he did legal. The only reason that we know that he didn't do this is because he is on tape admitting that he didn't declassify the documents in question.<br /> <br /> There are twenty-seven Republican attorney generals in the United States. They should all be cranking up prosecutions of Democrats. Prosecute Hunter as an unregistered foreign agent of Russia and China. Prosecute Stacy Abrams, Al Gore, and Hillary Clinton for attempting to overturn elections. Prosecute BLM and Antifa for the 2020 riots. The tech giants should be prosecuted for donating to pro-riot groups in order to force Americans to shop online. See "[https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/15/how-should-republicans-respond-to-fulton-county-indict-the-left/ How Should Republicans Respond To Fulton County? Indict The Left]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 03:25, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :Don't hold back now, tell us what you really think. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 10:54, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> ::The Georgia Republicans who were selected as counter electors in 2020 were following a precedent set by Hawaii Democrats in 1960. Now they have been charged under RICO as if they were mobsters. See "[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/the-georgia-indictment-is-the-biggest-threat-to-democracy-yet The Georgia indictment is the biggest threat to democracy yet]" and "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1SN5685Tus VERIFY: Yes, RICO was created to prosecute the mob]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:46, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> :::What would Pastor Niemoller say about that turn of phrase? [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 11:23, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == US approves sending F-16s to Ukraine from Denmark and Netherlands ==<br /> <br /> My prediction that the War will likely end by end 2024 or in about 1.5 years is looking pretty good right now. This breaking from Reuters.<br /> <br /> "WASHINGTON, Aug 17 (Reuters) - The United States has approved sending F-16 fighter jets to Ukraine from Denmark and the Netherlands to defend against Russian invaders as soon as pilot training is completed, a U.S. official said on Thursday.<br /> <br /> Ukraine has actively sought the U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets to help it counter Russian air superiority.<br /> <br /> Washington gave Denmark and the Netherlands official assurances that the United States will expedite approval of transfer requests for F-16s to go to Ukraine when the pilots are trained, the official said."<br /> <br /> https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approves-sending-f-16s-ukraine-denmark-netherlands-2023-08-17/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 20:56, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I know you follow MSM, but right now the experts are giving the Zelensky regime's life expectancy about 4-5 weeks.<br /> <br /> :As to the F-16s, they will be stripped down and the pilots are just sacrificial lambs to see how the Russians destroy the planes. <br /> <br /> :One of the big problems with F-16 is, they need a special runway that doesn't exist in Ukraine; so if they take off from Poland or Romania, that is an act of war originating from those countries. So they have to take off from these shortened runways in Ukraine. NATO is just paying close attention to how long it takes for the Russian forces to detect them and respond, with what kind of electronic warfare, and how they will destroy them. It's just basic research the [[MIC]] needs to build into the [[F-35]]. <br /> <br /> :And the Russians won't use their top-of-the-line technology to destroy them. They'll use older Soviet stuff that NATO has probably never faced. <br /> <br /> :Now sure, in the F-16s first or second run they may get lucky, make a few hits, and return to base alive, which will get maximum air play for propaganda purposes. But by the third run the Russians will have it figured out, how to make the kill shot without revealing too much about their modern weapons systems (radar detection and missile defense). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:26, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :The [[Leopard 2]], for example, "the best main battle tank on the planet", didn't last one day in combat. Now it's the UK Challenger's turn. Next is the Abrams. They send them in in such limited, small numbers, not cause they expect them to be useful or "win" (a "gamechanger") in combat, but to discover their vulnerabilities and information about Russian offensives weapons. It's just experimental under real combat conditions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:47, August 17, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Shoigu already said Russia will regard F-16s as a nuclear threat, and I just heard it repeated (the Russians are not in the habit of repeating themselves; they basically make an official statement once and leave it at that. They don't play the Western media game of tit-for-tat rhetoric timed for news cycles, but I;ll watch to see if had to be repeated). Sometimes they may give a gentle reminder on their [[policy]], but they are not required to answer all the bluster coming from the West everytime somebody talks smack. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:05, August 18, 2023 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::The Russians will use that Reuters report and/or whoever it came from as simply more evidence how they are disrespected and ignored in the West. The West can laugh it off, but it carries weight in Russian domestic propaganda. So when you get clobbered with a nuke, don't say you weren't warned. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:08, August 18, 2023 (EDT)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Henri_II&diff=1734194 Henri II 2021-02-26T16:15:46Z

<p>Rafael: standardizing spelling</p> <hr /> <div>{{infobox person<br /> |name=Henry II of France <br /> |birth_date=March 31, 1519<br /> |birth_place=Saint Germain en Laye, France<br /> |death_date=July 10, 1559 (aged 40)<br /> |death_place=Paris, France<br /> |spouse=Catherine de Medici <br /> |children=Charles IX, Henry III, Francis II, Francis, Duke of Anjou<br /> }}<br /> <br /> King Henry II (1519 - 1559) was King of France from 1547 until 1559. He apeared to hae enjoyed jousting, this unfortunately led to his death at the age of 40 in 1559. This came during a celebration of the treaty of Cateau-Cambresis. He was succeeded by his weak sons (Francis II, Charles IX, Henry III) however Charles IX was believed to be mentally mad.</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Henri_II&diff=1734193 Henri II 2021-02-26T16:14:17Z

<p>Rafael: standardizing spellings</p> <hr /> <div>{{infobox person<br /> |name=Henri II of France <br /> |birth_date=March 31, 1519<br /> |birth_place=Saint Germain en Laye, France<br /> |death_date=July 10, 1559 (aged 40)<br /> |death_place=Paris, France<br /> |spouse=Catherine de Medici <br /> |children=Charles IX, Henri III, Francis II, Francis, Duke of Anjou<br /> }}<br /> <br /> King Henry II (1519 - 1559) was King of France from 1547 until 1559. He apeared to hae enjoyed jousting, this unfortunately led to his death at the age of 40 in 1559. This came during a celebration of the treaty of Cateau-Cambresis. He was succeeded by his weak sons (Francis II, Charles IX, Henry III) however Charles IX was believed to be mentally mad.</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=River_Wandle&diff=1696731 River Wandle 2020-10-17T23:05:34Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>The River Wandle is a river in south west [[London]]. Drawing on rainfall from the [[North Downs]], it rises in [[Croydon]] and [[Carshalton]] and flows approximately 10 miles before joining the [[River Thames]] at [[Wandsworth]].<br /> <br /> It has historically been a significant waterway. In the neolithic age, settlements sprang up in what is now [[Mitcham Common]]. In [[Saxon]] times, it formed part of the border between the kingdoms of [[Kent]] and [[Wessex]]. At the start of the twentieth century, a significant Saxon burial ground was excavated on the borders of [[Mitcham]] and [[Morden]]; some of the treasure, known as the [[Mitcham hoard]] can be seen at the [[Museum of London]].<br /> <br /> In the [[middle ages]], [[Augustinian]] monks established [[Merton Priory]], one of the most important church communities outside of [[Canterbury]]. The [[Magna Carta]] was drafted in the [[scriptorium]] there.<br /> <br /> In the late sixteen century, [[Sir Walter Raleigh]] saw great potential in the river and set up a series of snuff mills along its length to grind his [[tobacco]] imports. In the nineteenth century, it was described as the "hardest working river in Britain", with more watermills per mile than any other waterway. By the end of that century, [[William Morris]] had set up one of his [[Liberty printworks]] close to the site of Merton Priory. Liberty continued to produce fabrics there and downriver at [[Southfields]] until the 1990s.<br /> <br /> It fell into decline early in the twentieth century and, by the 1980s, was in a fairly unhealthy condition. Since then, however, the length of the Wandle has been shaped into the [[Wandle Trail]], a mainly off road walking route that is incorporated into the [[Avenue Vert]]. There are several parks and nature reserves. Among the bird species that can be seen are [[peregrine falcons]] (nesting at the top of the Merton Civic Centre and largely hunting around the [[Morden Hall]] Wetlands), kingfishers, herons, cormorants, tawny owls (around [[Ravensbury Park]], which also supports a large bat colony), egyptian geese and the ubiquitous green parakeet. The [[Environment Agency]]'s annual fish survey has found catfish, eels, trout, dace, chubb and carp. The latter can grow to around three feet, making the Wandle a popular destination for south London's anglers, who are casting their lines where Lord [[Horatio Nelson]] and [[Izaak Walton]] did centuries earlier.<br /> <br /> The [[Wandle Industrial Museum]], near [[Mitcham Green]], contains many artefacts and photos showing how the Wandle has developed over the centuries, with particular emphasis on the work of William Morris.</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=River_Wandle&diff=1696730 River Wandle 2020-10-17T23:05:10Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>The River Wandle is a river in south west [[London]]. Drawing on rainfall from the [[North Downs]], it rises in [[Croydon]] and [[Carshalton]] and flows approximately 10 miles before joining the [[River Thames]] at [[Wandsworth]].<br /> <br /> It has historically been a significant waterway. In the neolithic age, settlements sprang up in what is now [[Mitcham Common]]. In [[Saxon]] times, it formed part of the border between the kingdoms of [[Kent]] and [[Wessex]]. At the start of the twentieth century, a significant Saxon burial ground was excavated on the borders of [[Mitcham]] and [[Morden]]; some of the treasure, known as the [[Mitcham hoard]] can be seen at the [[Museum of London]].<br /> <br /> In the [[middle ages]], [[Augustinian]] monks established [[Merton Priory]], one of the most important church communities outside of [[Canterbury]]. The [[Magna Carta]] was drafted in the [[scriptorium]] there.<br /> <br /> In the late sixteen century, [[Sir Walter Raleigh]] saw great potential in the river and set up a series of snuff mills along its length to grind his [[tobacco]] imports. In the nineteenth century, it was described as the "hardest working river in Britain", with more watermills per mile than any other waterway. By the end of that century, [[William Morris]] had set up one of his [[Liberty printworks]] close to the site of Merton Priory. Liberty continued to produce fabrics there and downriver at [[Southfields]] until the 1990s.<br /> <br /> It fell into decline early in the twentieth century and, by the 1980s, was in a fairly unhealthy condition. Since then, however, the length of the Wandle has been shaped into the [[Wandle Trail]], a mainly off road walking route that is incorporated into the [[Avenue Vert]]. There are several parks and nature reserves. Among the bird species that can be seen are [[peregrine falcons]] (nesting at the top of the Merton Civic Centre and largely hunting around the [[Morden Hall]] Wetlands), kingfishers, herons, cormorants, tawny owls (around [[Ravensbury Park]] (which also supports a large bat colony), egyptian geese and the ubiquitous green parakeet. The [[Environment Agency]]'s annual fish survey has found catfish, eels, trout, dace, chubb and carp. The latter can grow to around three feet, making the Wandle a popular destination for south London's anglers, who are casting their lines where Lord [[Horatio Nelson]] and [[Izaak Walton]] did centuries earlier.<br /> <br /> The [[Wandle Industrial Museum]], near [[Mitcham Green]], contains many artefacts and photos showing how the Wandle has developed over the centuries, with particular emphasis on the work of William Morris.</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Magna_Carta&diff=1696729 Magna Carta 2020-10-17T23:04:23Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Magna carta.jpg|thumb|300px|Copy of the ''Magna Carta'' printed in 1297 on order of King [[Edward I]] (Perot Foundation)]]<br /> The '''''Magna Carta''''' was a charter of liberties, both personal and political, granted to the barons by King John of England on the island of [[Runnymede]] in the [[Thames]] in June 1215. It was drafted in the [[scriptorium]] of [[Merton Priory]].<br /> <br /> England's barons forced King John to sign this great charter of liberties, by surrounding him on June 15, 1215, to compel him to place his seal on the document. After negotiations the final form was fixed and sealed, “freely granted”, on 19 June 1215. <br /> <br /> The ''Magna Carta'' contains the words: "for the salvation of our [[soul]], and the souls of all our ... heirs, and unto the honour of God."<br /> <br /> This was a negotiated peace between King John and his barons following a period of conflict. Many of the clauses protected the barons’ demands for redress for recent erosion of their rights. But most importantly, the document established fundamental liberties for all, including habeas corpus and of trial by one's peers. It also banned the selling, denial, or delay of justice to anyone. Hence the ''Magna Carta'' is famous for establishing personal liberty for the first time.<br /> <br /> King John did not intend to honor it. But within a year or so he was dead, and it was reissued with some changes under the seal of his son, the 9 year old King [[Henry III]]. Other amended versions were issued in 1217 and 1225, and this last version became part of [[English Statute Law]]. Many of its clauses remaining there through the centuries to become integral parts of the legal systems of the English speaking world and indeed much of the world.<br /> <br /> The original document of 1215 is the official Magna Carta, but in 1297 an amended version was issued by King Edward I. Only the 1297 amended version, for example, protects against the taking, without just compensation, of [[private property]] by the government.<ref>https://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/magna_carta/translation_content.html</ref><br /> <br /> The [[1100 Charter of Liberties]] is an important forerunner to the Magna Carta.<ref>{{cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=KI0-AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA13|last1=Newton|first1=Charles Bertram|last2=Treat|first2=Edwin Bryant|title=Outline for Review, English History|publisher=American Book Company|date=1907|pages=13}}</ref><br /> <br /> As a result of the Magna Carta, a "great council" or "royal council".<ref>[https://books.google.com/books?id=-M1DAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA100 The Magna Carta of the English and of the Hungarian Constitution: A Comparative View of the Law and Institutions of the Early Middle Ages]</ref> This council evolved into the modern British Parliament.<ref>[https://books.google.com/books?id=oaDCitykcn8C&pg=PA21 Magna Carta for Know-It-Alls]</ref> During the reign of [[Henry II]], the French word 'parlement' started to be used to describe this council.<ref>[https://history.blog.gov.uk/2015/06/15/magna-carta-and-counselling-the-king/ Magna Carta and counselling the King]</ref><br /> <br /> The Magna Carta and the ideas behind it served as a major inspiration for the U.S. [[Declaration of Independence]].<ref>Wolverton, Joe (June 15, 2019). [https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/20988-1215-magna-carta-rule-of-law-and-death-certificate-of-despotism Happy Anniversary, Magna Carta!] ''The New American''. Retrieved June 15, 2019.</ref><br /> <br /> ==Text of the ''Magna Carta''==<br /> John, by the grace of God, king of England, lord of Ireland, duke of Normandy and Aquitaine, and count of Anjou, to the archbishop, bishops, abbots, earls, barons, justiciaries, foresters, sheriffs, stewards, servants, and to all his bailiffs and liege subjects, greetings. Know that, having regard to God and for the salvation of our soul, and those of all our ancestors and heirs, and unto the honor of God and the advancement of his holy Church and for the rectifying of our realm, we have granted as underwritten by advice of our venerable fathers, Stephen, archbishop of Canterbury, primate of all England and cardinal of the holy Roman Church, Henry, archbishop of Dublin, William of London, Peter of Winchester, Jocelyn of Bath and Glastonbury, Hugh of Lincoln, Walter of Worcester, William of Coventry, Benedict of Rochester, bishops; of Master Pandulf, subdeacon and member of the household of our lord the Pope, of brother Aymeric (master of the Knights of the Temple in England), and of the illustrious men William Marshal, earl of Pembroke, William, earl of Salisbury, William, earl of Warenne, William, earl of Arundel, Alan of Galloway (constable of Scotland), Waren Fitz Gerold, Peter Fitz Herbert, Hubert De Burgh (seneschal of Poitou), Hugh de Neville, Matthew Fitz Herbert, Thomas Basset, Alan Basset, Philip d'Aubigny, Robert of Roppesley, John Marshal, John Fitz Hugh, and others, our liegemen. <br /> <br /> 1. In the first place we have granted to God, and by this our present charter confirmed for us and our heirs forever that the English Church shall be free, and shall have her rights entire, and her liberties inviolate; and we will that it be thus observed; which is apparent from this that the freedom of elections, which is reckoned most important and very essential to the English Church, we, of our pure and unconstrained will, did grant, and did by our charter confirm and did obtain the ratification of the same from our lord, Pope Innocent III, before the quarrel arose between us and our barons: and this we will observe, and our will is that it be observed in good faith by our heirs forever. We have also granted to all freemen of our kingdom, for us and our heirs forever, all the underwritten liberties, to be had and held by them and their heirs, of us and our heirs forever. <br /> <br /> 2. If any of our earls or barons, or others holding of us in chief by military service shall have died, and at the time of his death his heir shall be full of age and owe "relief", he shall have his inheritance by the old relief, to wit, the heir or heirs of an earl, for the whole baroncy of an earl by L100; the heir or heirs of a baron, L100 for a whole barony; the heir or heirs of a knight, 100s, at most, and whoever owes less let him give less, according to the ancient custom of fees. <br /> <br /> 3. If, however, the heir of any one of the aforesaid has been under age and in wardship, let him have his inheritance without relief and without fine when he comes of age. <br /> <br /> 4. The guardian of the land of an heir who is thus under age, shall take from the land of the heir nothing but reasonable produce, reasonable customs, and reasonable services, and that without destruction or waste of men or goods; and if we have committed the wardship of the lands of any such minor to the sheriff, or to any other who is responsible to us for its issues, and he has made destruction or waster of what he holds in wardship, we will take of him amends, and the land shall be committed to two lawful and discreet men of that fee, who shall be responsible for the issues to us or to him to whom we shall assign them; and if we have given or sold the wardship of any such land to anyone and he has therein made destruction or waste, he shall lose that wardship, and it shall be transferred to two lawful and discreet men of that fief, who shall be responsible to us in like manner as aforesaid. <br /> <br /> 5. The guardian, moreover, so long as he has the wardship of the land, shall keep up the houses, parks, fishponds, stanks, mills, and other things pertaining to the land, out of the issues of the same land; and he shall restore to the heir, when he has come to full age, all his land, stocked with ploughs and wainage, according as the season of husbandry shall require, and the issues of the land can reasonable bear. <br /> <br /> 6. Heirs shall be married without disparagement, yet so that before the marriage takes place the nearest in blood to that heir shall have notice. <br /> <br /> 7. A widow, after the death of her husband, shall forthwith and without difficulty have her marriage portion and inheritance; nor shall she give anything for her dower, or for her marriage portion, or for the inheritance which her husband and she held on the day of the death of that husband; and she may remain in the house of her husband for forty days after his death, within which time her dower shall be assigned to her. <br /> <br /> 8. No widow shall be compelled to marry, so long as she prefers to live without a husband; provided always that she gives security not to marry without our consent, if she holds of us, or without the consent of the lord of whom she holds, if she holds of another. <br /> <br /> 9. Neither we nor our bailiffs will seize any land or rent for any debt, as long as the chattels of the debtor are sufficient to repay the debt; nor shall the sureties of the debtor be distrained so long as the principal debtor is able to satisfy the debt; and if the principal debtor shall fail to pay the debt, having nothing wherewith to pay it, then the sureties shall answer for the debt; and let them have the lands and rents of the debtor, if they desire them, until they are indemnified for the debt which they have paid for him, unless the principal debtor can show proof that he is discharged thereof as against the said sureties. <br /> <br /> 10. If one who has borrowed from the Jews any sum, great or small, die before that loan be repaid, the debt shall not bear interest while the heir is under age, of whomsoever he may hold; and if the debt fall into our hands, we will not take anything except the principal sum contained in the bond. <br /> <br /> 11. And if anyone die indebted to the Jews, his wife shall have her dower and pay nothing of that debt; and if any children of the deceased are left under age, necessaries shall be provided for them in keeping with the holding of the deceased; and out of the residue the debt shall be paid, reserving, however, service due to feudal lords; in like manner let it be done touching debts due to others than Jews. <br /> <br /> 12. No scutage not aid shall be imposed on our kingdom, unless by common counsel of our kingdom, except for ransoming our person, for making our eldest son a knight, and for once marrying our eldest daughter; and for these there shall not be levied more than a reasonable aid. In like manner it shall be done concerning aids from the city of London. <br /> <br /> 13. And the city of London shall have all it ancient liberties and free customs, as well by land as by water; furthermore, we decree and grant that all other cities, boroughs, towns, and ports shall have all their liberties and free customs. <br /> <br /> 14. And for obtaining the common counsel of the kingdom anent the assessing of an aid (except in the three cases aforesaid) or of a scutage, we will cause to be summoned the archbishops, bishops, abbots, earls, and greater barons, severally by our letters; and we will moveover cause to be summoned generally, through our sheriffs and bailiffs, and others who hold of us in chief, for a fixed date, namely, after the expiry of at least forty days, and at a fixed place; and in all letters of such summons we will specify the reason of the summons. And when the summons has thus been made, the business shall proceed on the day appointed, according to the counsel of such as are present, although not all who were summoned have come. <br /> <br /> 15. We will not for the future grant to anyone license to take an aid from his own free tenants, except to ransom his person, to make his eldest son a knight, and once to marry his eldest daughter; and on each of these occasions there shall be levied only a reasonable aid. <br /> <br /> 16. No one shall be distrained for performance of greater service for a knight's fee, or for any other free tenement, than is due therefrom. <br /> <br /> 17. Common pleas shall not follow our court, but shall be held in some fixed place. <br /> <br /> 18. Inquests of novel disseisin, of mort d'ancestor, and of darrein presentment shall not be held elsewhere than in their own county courts, and that in manner following; We, or, if we should be out of the realm, our chief justiciar, will send two justiciaries through every county four times a year, who shall alone with four knights of the county chosen by the county, hold the said assizes in the county court, on the day and in the place of meeting of that court. <br /> <br /> 19. And if any of the said assizes cannot be taken on the day of the county court, let there remain of the knights and freeholders, who were present at the county court on that day, as many as may be required for the efficient making of judgments, according as the business be more or less. <br /> <br /> 20. A freeman shall not be amerced for a slight offense, except in accordance with the degree of the offense; and for a grave offense he shall be amerced in accordance with the gravity of the offense, yet saving always his "contentment"; and a merchant in the same way, saving his "merchandise"; and a villein shall be amerced in the same way, saving his "wainage" if they have fallen into our mercy: and none of the aforesaid amercements shall be imposed except by the oath of honest men of the neighborhood. <br /> <br /> 21. Earls and barons shall not be amerced except through their peers, and only in accordance with the degree of the offense. <br /> <br /> 22. A clerk shall not be amerced in respect of his lay holding except after the manner of the others aforesaid; further, he shall not be amerced in accordance with the extent of his ecclesiastical benefice. <br /> <br /> 23. No village or individual shall be compelled to make bridges at river banks, except those who from of old were legally bound to do so. <br /> <br /> 24. No sheriff, constable, coroners, or others of our bailiffs, shall hold pleas of our Crown. <br /> <br /> 25. All counties, hundred, wapentakes, and trithings (except our demesne manors) shall remain at the old rents, and without any additional payment. <br /> <br /> 26. If anyone holding of us a lay fief shall die, and our sheriff or bailiff shall exhibit our letters patent of summons for a debt which the deceased owed us, it shall be lawful for our sheriff or bailiff to attach and enroll the chattels of the deceased, found upon the lay fief, to the value of that debt, at the sight of law worthy men, provided always that nothing whatever be thence removed until the debt which is evident shall be fully paid to us; and the residue shall be left to the executors to fulfill the will of the deceased; and if there be nothing due from him to us, all the chattels shall go to the deceased, saving to his wife and children their reasonable shares. <br /> <br /> 27. If any freeman shall die intestate, his chattels shall be distributed by the hands of his nearest kinsfolk and friends, under supervision of the Church, saving to every one the debts which the deceased owed to him. <br /> <br /> 28. No constable or other bailiff of ours shall take corn or other provisions from anyone without immediately tendering money therefor, unless he can have postponement thereof by permission of the seller. <br /> <br /> 29. No constable shall compel any knight to give money in lieu of castle-guard, when he is willing to perform it in his own person, or (if he himself cannot do it from any reasonable cause) then by another responsible man. Further, if we have led or sent him upon military service, he shall be relieved from guard in proportion to the time during which he has been on service because of us. <br /> <br /> 30. No sheriff or bailiff of ours, or other person, shall take the horses or carts of any freeman for transport duty, against the will of the said freeman. <br /> <br /> 31. Neither we nor our bailiffs shall take, for our castles or for any other work of ours, wood which is not ours, against the will of the owner of that wood. <br /> <br /> 32. We will not retain beyond one year and one day, the lands those who have been convicted of felony, and the lands shall thereafter be handed over to the lords of the fiefs. <br /> <br /> 33. All kydells for the future shall be removed altogether from Thames and Medway, and throughout all England, except upon the seashore. <br /> <br /> 34. The writ which is called praecipe shall not for the future be issued to anyone, regarding any tenement whereby a freeman may lose his court. <br /> <br /> 35. Let there be one measure of wine throughout our whole realm; and one measure of ale; and one measure of corn, to wit, "the London quarter"; and one width of cloth (whether dyed, or russet, or "halberget"), to wit, two ells within the selvedges; of weights also let it be as of measures. <br /> <br /> 36. Nothing in future shall be given or taken for awrit of inquisition of life or limbs, but freely it shall be granted, and never denied. <br /> <br /> 37. If anyone holds of us by fee-farm, either by socage or by burage, or of any other land by knight's service, we will not (by reason of that fee-farm, socage, or burgage), have the wardship of the heir, or of such land of his as if of the fief of that other; nor shall we have wardship of that fee-farm, socage, or burgage, unless such fee-farm owes knight's service. We will not by reason of any small serjeancy which anyone may hold of us by the service of rendering to us knives, arrows, or the like, have wardship of his heir or of the land which he holds of another lord by knight's service. <br /> <br /> 38. No bailiff for the future shall, upon his own unsupported complaint, put anyone to his "law", without credible witnesses brought for this purposes. <br /> <br /> 39. No freemen shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised or exiled or in any way destroyed, nor will we go upon him nor send upon him, except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land. <br /> <br /> 40. To no one will we sell, to no one will we refuse or delay, right or justice. <br /> <br /> 41. All merchants shall have safe and secure exit from England, and entry to England, with the right to tarry there and to move about as well by land as by water, for buying and selling by the ancient and right customs, quit from all evil tolls, except (in time of war) such merchants as are of the land at war with us. And if such are found in our land at the beginning of the war, they shall be detained, without injury to their bodies or goods, until information be received by us, or by our chief justiciar, how the merchants of our land found in the land at war with us are treated; and if our men are safe there, the others shall be safe in our land. <br /> <br /> 42. It shall be lawful in future for anyone (excepting always those imprisoned or outlawed in accordance with the law of the kingdom, and natives of any country at war with us, and merchants, who shall be treated as if above provided) to leave our kingdom and to return, safe and secure by land and water, except for a short period in time of war, on grounds of public policy- reserving always the allegiance due to us. <br /> <br /> 43. If anyone holding of some [[escheat]] (such as the honor of Wallingford, Nottingham, Boulogne, Lancaster, or of other escheats which are in our hands and are baronies) shall die, his heir shall give no other relief, and perform no other service to us than he would have done to the baron if that barony had been in the baron's hand; and we shall hold it in the same manner in which the baron held it. <br /> <br /> 44. Men who dwell without the forest need not henceforth come before our justiciaries of the forest upon a general summons, unless they are in plea, or sureties of one or more, who are attached for the forest. <br /> <br /> 45. We will appoint as justices, constables, sheriffs, or bailiffs only such as know the law of the realm and mean to observe it well. <br /> <br /> 46. All barons who have founded abbeys, concerning which they hold charters from the kings of England, or of which they have long continued possession, shall have the wardship of them, when vacant, as they ought to have. <br /> <br /> 47. All forests that have been made such in our time shall forthwith be disafforsted; and a similar course shall be followed with regard to river banks that have been placed "in defense" by us in our time. <br /> <br /> 48. All evil customs connected with forests and warrens, foresters and warreners, sheriffs and their officers, river banks and their wardens, shall immediately by inquired into in each county by twelve sworn knights of the same county chosen by the honest men of the same county, and shall, within forty days of the said inquest, be utterly abolished, so as never to be restored, provided always that we previously have intimation thereof, or our justiciar, if we should not be in England. <br /> <br /> 49. We will immediately restore all hostages and charters delivered to us by Englishmen, as sureties of the peace of faithful service. <br /> <br /> 50. We will entirely remove from their bailiwicks, the relations of Gerard of Athee (so that in future they shall have no bailiwick in England); namely, Engelard of Cigogne, Peter, Guy, and Andrew of Chanceaux, Guy of Cigogne, Geoffrey of Martigny with his brothers, Philip Mark with his brothers and his nephew Geoffrey, and the whole brood of the same. <br /> <br /> 51. As soon as peace is restored, we will banish from the kingdom all foreign born knights, crossbowmen, serjeants, and mercenary soldiers who have come with horses and arms to the kingdom's hurt. <br /> <br /> 52. If anyone has been dispossessed or removed by us, without the legal judgment of his peers, from his lands, castles, franchises, or from his right, we will immediately restore them to him; and if a dispute arise over this, then let it be decided by the five and twenty barons of whom mention is made below in the clause for securing the peace. Moreover, for all those possessions, from which anyone has, without the lawful judgment of his peers, been disseised or removed, by our father, King Henry, or by our brother, King Richard, and which we retain in our hand (or which as possessed by others, to whom we are bound to warrant them) we shall have respite until the usual term of crusaders; excepting those things about which a plea has been raised, or an inquest made by our order, before our taking of the cross; but as soon as we return from the expedition, we will immediately grant full justice therein. <br /> <br /> 53. We shall have, moreover, the same respite and in the same manner in rendering justice concerning the disafforestation or retention of those forests which Henry our father and Richard our brother afforested, and concerning the wardship of lands which are of the fief of another (namely, such wardships as we have hitherto had by reason of a fief which anyone held of us by knight's service), and concerning abbeys founded on other fiefs than our own, in which the lord of the fee claims to have right; and when we have returned, or if we desist from our expedition, we will immediately grant full justice to all who complain of such things. <br /> <br /> 54. No one shall be arrested or imprisoned upon the appeal of a woman, for the death of any other than her husband. <br /> <br /> 55. All fines made with us unjustly and against the law of the land, and all amercements, imposed unjustly and against the law of the land, shall be entirely remitted, or else it shall be done concerning them according to the decision of the five and twenty barons whom mention is made below in the clause for securing the pease, or according to the judgment of the majority of the same, along with the aforesaid Stephen, archbishop of Canterbury, if he can be present, and such others as he may wish to bring with him for this purpose, and if he cannot be present the business shall nevertheless proceed without him, provided always that if any one or more of the aforesaid five and twenty barons are in a similar suit, they shall be removed as far as concerns this particular judgment, others being substituted in their places after having been selected by the rest of the same five and twenty for this purpose only, and after having been sworn. <br /> <br /> 56. If we have disseised or removed Welshmen from lands or liberties, or other things, without the legal judgment of their peers in England or in Wales, they shall be immediately restored to them; and if a dispute arise over this, then let it be decided in the marches by the judgment of their peers; for the tenements in England according to the law of England, for tenements in Wales according to the law of Wales, and for tenements in the marches according to the law of the marches. Welshmen shall do the same to us and ours. <br /> <br /> 57. Further, for all those possessions from which any Welshman has, without the lawful judgment of his peers, been disseised or removed by King Henry our father, or King Richard our brother, and which we retain in our hand (or which are possessed by others, and which we ought to warrant), we will have respite until the usual term of crusaders; excepting those things about which a plea has been raised or an inquest made by our order before we took the cross; but as soon as we return (or if perchance we desist from our expedition), we will immediately grant full justice in accordance with the laws of the Welsh and in relation to the foresaid regions. <br /> <br /> 58. We will immediately give up the son of Llywelyn and all the hostages of Wales, and the charters delivered to us as security for the peace. <br /> <br /> 59. We will do towards Alexander, king of Scots, concerning the return of his sisters and his hostages, and concerning his franchises, and his right, in the same manner as we shall do towards our owher barons of England, unless it ought to be otherwise according to the charters which we hold from William his father, formerly king of Scots; and this shall be according to the judgment of his peers in our court. <br /> <br /> 60. Moreover, all these aforesaid customs and liberties, the observances of which we have granted in our kingdom as far as pertains to us towards our men, shall be observed by all of our kingdom, as well clergy as laymen, as far as pertains to them towards their men. <br /> <br /> 61. Since, moveover, for God and the amendment of our kingdom and for the better allaying of the quarrel that has arisen between us and our barons, we have granted all these concessions, desirous that they should enjoy them in complete and firm endurance forever, we give and grant to them the underwritten security, namely, that the barons choose five and twenty barons of the kingdom, whomsoever they will, who shall be bound with all their might, to observe and hold, and cause to be observed, the peace and liberties we have granted and confirmed to them by this our present Charter, so that if we, or our justiciar, or our bailiffs or any one of our officers, shall in anything be at fault towards anyone, or shall have broken any one of the articles of this peace or of this security, and the offense be notified to four barons of the foresaid five and twenty, the said four barons shall repair to us (or our justiciar, if we are out of the realm) and, laying the transgression before us, petition to have that transgression redressed without delay. And if we shall not have corrected the transgression (or, in the event of our being out of the realm, if our justiciar shall not have corrected it) within forty days, reckoning from the time it has been intimated to us (or to our justiciar, if we should be out of the realm), the four barons aforesaid shall refer that matter to the rest of the five and twenty barons, and those five and twenty barons shall, together with the community of the whole realm, distrain and distress us in all possible ways, namely, by seizing our castles, lands, possessions, and in any other way they can, until redress has been obtained as they deem fit, saving harmless our own person, and the persons of our queen and children; and when redress has been obtained, they shall resume their old relations towards us. And let whoever in the country desires it, swear to obey the orders of the said five and twenty barons for the execution of all the aforesaid matters, and along with them, to molest us to the utmost of his power; and we publicly and freely grant leave to everyone who wishes to swear, and we shall never forbid anyone to swear. All those, moveover, in the land who of themselves and of their own accord are unwilling to swear to the twenty five to help them in constraining and molesting us, we shall by our command compel the same to swear to the effect foresaid. And if any one of the five and twenty barons shall have died or departed from the land, or be incapacitated in any other manner which would prevent the foresaid provisions being carried out, those of the said twenty five barons who are left shall choose another in his place according to their own judgment, and he shall be sworn in the same way as the others. Further, in all matters, the execution of which is entrusted,to these twenty five barons, if perchance these twenty five are present and disagree about anything, or if some of them, after being summoned, are unwilling or unable to be present, that which the majority of those present ordain or command shall be held as fixed and established, exactly as if the whole twenty five had concurred in this; and the said twenty five shall swear that they will faithfully observe all that is aforesaid, and cause it to be observed with all their might. And we shall procure nothing from anyone, directly or indirectly, whereby any part of these concessions and liberties might be revoked or diminished; and if any such things has been procured, let it be void and null, and we shall never use it personally or by another. <br /> <br /> 62. And all the will, hatreds, and [[bitterness]] that have arisen between us and our men, clergy and lay, from the date of the quarrel, we have completely remitted and pardoned to everyone. Moreover, all trespasses occasioned by the said quarrel, from Easter in the sixteenth year of our reign till the restoration of peace, we have fully remitted to all, both clergy and laymen, and completely forgiven, as far as pertains to us. And on this head, we have caused to be made for them letters testimonial patent of the lord Stephen, archbishop of Canterbury, of the lord Henry, archbishop of Dublin, of the bishops aforesaid, and of Master Pandulf as touching this security and the concessions aforesaid. <br /> <br /> 63. Wherefore we will and firmly order that the English Church be free, and that the men in our kingdom have and hold all the aforesaid liberties, rights, and concessions, well and peaceably, freely and quietly, fully and wholly, for themselves and their heirs, of us and our heirs, in all respects and in all places forever, as is aforesaid. An oath, moreover, has been taken, as well on our part as on the part of the barons, that all these conditions aforesaid shall be kept in good faith and without evil intent. Given under our hand - the above named and many others being witnesses - in the meadow which is called Runnymede, between Windsor and Staines, on the fifteenth day of June, in the seventeenth year of our reign. <br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> {{reflist}}<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *[http://www.bl.uk/treasures/magnacarta/translation/mc_trans.html The Magna Carta, from the British Library].<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> * [[Roots of US government]]<br /> * [[1100 Charter of Liberties]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:English History]]<br /> [[Category:Law]]<br /> [[Category:United Kingdom State Papers]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=River_Wandle&diff=1696728 River Wandle 2020-10-17T23:02:54Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>The River Wandle is a river in south west [[London]]. Drawing on rainfall from the [[North Downs]], it rises in [[Croydon]] and [[Carshalton]] and flows approximately 10 miles before joining the [[River Thames]] at [[Wandsworth]].<br /> <br /> It has historically been a significant waterway. In the neolithic age, settlements sprang up in what is now [[Mitcham Common]]. In [[Saxon]] times, it formed part of the border between the kingdoms of [[Kent]] and [[Wessex]]. At the start of the twentieth century, a significant Saxon burial ground was excavated on the borders of [[Mitcham]] and [[Morden]]; some of the treasure, known as the [[Mitcham hoard]] can be seen at the [[Museum of London]].<br /> <br /> In the [[middle ages]], [[Augustinian]] monks established [[Merton Priory]], one of the most important church communities outside of [[Canterbury]]. The [[Magna Carta]] was drafted in the [[scriptorium]] there.<br /> <br /> In the late sixteen century, [[Sir Walter Raleigh]] saw great potential in the river and set up a series of snuff mills along its length to grind his [[tobacco]] imports. In the nineteenth century, it was described as the "hardest working river in Britain", with more watermills per mile than any other waterway. By the end of that century, [[William Morris]] had set up one of his [[Liberty printworks]] close to the site of Merton Priory. Liberty continued to produce fabrics there and downriver at [[Southfields]] until the 1990s.<br /> <br /> It fell into decline early in the twentieth century and, by the 1980s, was in a fairly unhealthy condition. Since then, however, the length of the Wandle has been shaped into the [[Wandle Trail]], a mainly off road walking route that is incorporated into the [[Avenue Vert]]. There are several parks and nature reserves. Among the bird species that can be seen are [[peregrine falcons]] (nesting at the top of the Merton Civic Centre and largely hunting around the [[Morden Hall]] Wetlands, kingfishers, herons, cormorants, tawny owls (around [[Ravensbury Park]] (which also supports a large bat colony), egyptian geese and the ubiquitous green parakeet. The [[Environment Agency]]'s annual fish survey has found catfish, eels, trout, dace, chubb and carp. The latter can grow to around three feet, making the Wandle a popular destination for south London's anglers, who are casting their lines where Lord [[Horatio Nelson]] and [[Izaak Walton]] did centuries earlier.<br /> <br /> The [[Wandle Industrial Museum]], near [[Mitcham Green]], contains many artefacts and photos showing how the Wandle has developed over the centuries, with particular emphasis on the work of William Morris.</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=River_Wandle&diff=1696727 River Wandle 2020-10-17T22:59:59Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>The River Wandle is a river in south west [[London]]. Drawing on rainfall from the [[North Downs]], it rises in [[Croydon]] and [[Carshalton]] and flows approximately 10 miles before joining the [[River Thames]] at [[Wandsworth]].<br /> <br /> It has historically been a significant waterway. In the neolithic age, settlements sprang up in what is now [[Mitcham Common]]. In [[Saxon]] times, it formed part of the border between the kingdoms of [[Kent]] and [[Wessex]]. At the start of the twentieth century, a significant Saxon burial ground was excavated on the borders of [[Mitcham]] and [[Morden]]; some of the treasure, known as the [[Mitcham hoard]] can be seen at the [[Museum of London]].<br /> <br /> In the [[middle ages]], [[Augustinian]] monks established [[Merton Priory]], one of the most important church communities outside of [[Canterbury]]. The [[Magna Carta]] was drafted in the [[scriptorium]] there.<br /> <br /> In the late sixteen century, [[Sir Walter Raleigh]] saw great potential in the river and set up a series of snuff mills along its length to grind his [[tobacco]] imports. In the nineteenth century, it was described as the "hardest working river in Britain", with more watermills per mile than any other waterway. By the end of that century, [[William Morris]] had set up one of his [[Liberty printworks]] close to the site of Merton Priory. Liberty continued to produce fabrics there and downriver at [[Southfields]] until the 1990s.<br /> <br /> It fell into decline early in the twentieth century and, by the 1980s, was in a fairly unhealthy condition. Since then, however, the length of the Wandle has been shaped into the Wandle Trail, a mainly off road walking route that is incorporated into the [[Avenue Vert]]. There are several parks and nature reserves. Among the bird species that can be seen are [[peregrine falcons]] (nesting at the top of the Merton Civic Centre and largely hunting around the [[Morden Hall]] Wetlands, kingfishers, herons, cormorants, tawny owls (around [[Ravensbury Park]] (which also supports a large bat colony), egyptian geese and the ubiquitous green parakeet. The [[Environment Agency]]'s annual fish survey has found catfish, eels, trout, dace, chubb and carp. The latter can grow to around three feet, making the Wandle a popular destination for south London's anglers, who are casting their lines where Lord [[Horatio Nelson]] and [[Izaak Walton]] did centuries earlier.</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=River_Wandle&diff=1696726 River Wandle 2020-10-17T22:58:38Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>The River Wandle is a river in south west London. Drawing on rainfall from the [[North Downs]], it rises in [[Croydon]] and [[Carshalton]] and flows approximately 10 miles before joining the [[River Thames]] at [[Wandsworth]].<br /> <br /> It has historically been a significant waterway. In the neolithic age, settlements sprang up in what is now [[Mitcham Common]]. In [[Saxon]] times, it formed part of the border between the kingdoms of [[Kent]] and [[Wessex]]. At the start of the twentieth century, a significant Saxon burial ground was excavated on the borders of [[Mitcham]] and [[Morden]]; some of the treasure, known as the [[Mitcham hoard]] can be seen at the [[Museum of London]].<br /> <br /> In the [[middle ages]], [[Augustinian]] monks established [[Merton Priory]], one of the most important church communities outside of [[Canterbury]]. The [[Magna Carta]] was drafted in the [[scriptorium]] there.<br /> <br /> In the late sixteen century, [[Sir Walter Raleigh]] saw great potential in the river and set up a series of snuff mills along its length to grind his [[tobacco]] imports. In the nineteenth century, it was described as the "hardest working river in Britain", with more watermills per mile than any other waterway. By the end of that century, [[William Morris]] had set up one of his [[Liberty printworks]] close to the site of Merton Priory. Liberty continued to produce fabrics there and downriver at [[Southfields]] until the 1990s.<br /> <br /> It fell into decline early in the twentieth century and, by the 1980s, was in a fairly unhealthy condition. Since then, however, the length of the Wandle has been shaped into the Wandle Trail, a mainly off road walking route that is incorporated into the [[Avenue Vert]]. There are several parks and nature reserves. Among the bird species that can be seen are [[peregrine falcons]] (nesting at the top of the Merton Civic Centre and largely hunting around the [[Morden Hall]] Wetlands, kingfishers, herons, cormorants, tawny owls (around [[Ravensbury Park]] (which also supports a large bat colony), egyptian geese and the ubiquitous green parakeet. The [[Environment Agency]]'s annual fish survey has found catfish, eels, trout, dace, chubb and carp. The latter can grow to around three feet, making the Wandle a popular destination for south London's anglers, who are casting their lines where Lord [[Horatio Nelson]] and [[Izaak Walton]] did centuries earlier.</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=River_Wandle&diff=1696725 River Wandle 2020-10-17T22:58:06Z

<p>Rafael: new article</p> <hr /> <div>The River Wandle is a river in south west London. Drawing on rainfall from the [[North Downs]], it rises in [[Croydon]] and [[Carshalton]] and flows approximately 10 miles before joining the [[River Thames]] at [[Wandsworth]].<br /> <br /> It has historically been a significant waterway. In the neolithic age, settlements sprang up in what is now [[Mitcham Common]]. In [[Saxon]] times, it formed part of the border between the kingdoms of [[Kent]] and [[Wessex]]. At the start of the twentieth century, a significant Saxon burial ground was excavated on the borders of [[Mitcham]] and [[Morden]]; some of the treasure, known as the [[Mitcham hoard]] can be seen at the [[Museum of London]].<br /> <br /> In the [[middle ages]], [[Augustinian]] monks established [[Merton Priory]], one of the most important church communities outside of [[Canterbury]]. The [[Magna Carta]] was drafted in the [[scriptorium]] there.<br /> <br /> In the late sixteen century, [[Sir Walter Raleigh]] saw great potential in the river and set up a series of snuff mills along its length to grind his [[tobacco]] imports. In the nineteenth century, it was described as the "hardest working river in Britain", with more watermills per mile than any other waterway. By the end of that century, [[William Morris]] had set up one of his [[Liberty]] works close to the site of Merton Priory. Liberty continued to produce fabrics there and downriver at [[Southfields]] until the 1990s.<br /> <br /> It fell into decline early in the twentieth century and, by the 1980s, was in a fairly unhealthy condition. Since then, however, the length of the Wandle has been shaped into the Wandle Trail, a mainly off road walking route that is incorporated into the [[Avenue Vert]]. There are several parks and nature reserves. Among the bird species that can be seen are [[peregrine falcons]] (nesting at the top of the Merton Civic Centre and largely hunting around the [[Morden Hall]] Wetlands, kingfishers, herons, cormorants, tawny owls (around [[Ravensbury Park]] (which also supports a large bat colony), egyptian geese and the ubiquitous green parakeet. The [[Environment Agency]]'s annual fish survey has found catfish, eels, trout, dace, chubb and carp. The latter can grow to around three feet, making the Wandle a popular destination for south London's anglers, who are casting their lines where Lord [[Horatio Nelson]] and [[Izaak Walton]] did centuries earlier.</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Carshalton&diff=1696722 Carshalton 2020-10-17T22:38:08Z

<p>Rafael: creating article</p> <hr /> <div>Carshalton is a suburb of London, about twelve miles away from the centre. It is one of the sources of the [[River Wandle]].<br /> <br /> Socially, it is a diverse area. Carshalton Beeches is a fairly exclusive area, Carshalton Green and Carshalton Village solidly middle class but the rest of Carshalton is fairly deprived.</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=John_Major&diff=1696717 John Major 2020-10-17T22:33:22Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Prime Minister<br /> |image=John Major.jpg<br /> |seq=72<br /> |term_start=November 28, 1990<br /> |term_end=May 2, 1997<br /> |party=Conservative Party<br /> |previous=Margaret Thatcher<br /> |next=Tony Blair<br /> |birth_date=March 29, 1943 <br /> |birth_place=Carshalton<br /> |spouse=Norma Major<br /> |spouse2=<br /> |religion=[[Anglican]]<br /> }}<br /> '''Sir John Major''', KG, CH, PC (March 29, 1943) was the [[Prime Minister]] of the [[United Kingdom]] from November 1990 to May 1997, succeeding [[Margaret Thatcher]] and succeeded by [[Tony Blair]].<br /> <br /> Major was elected leader of the British [[Conservative Party]], and hence Prime Minister, following the resignation of [[Margaret Thatcher]]. He was a relatively unknown figure at the time, but he was seen by many, including Lady Thatcher herself, as being firmly on the right of centre (or, at least, as being more conservative then his relatively [[liberal]] main opponent, [[Michael Heseltine]], the man who had brought Lady Thatcher down). He subsequently disappointed many in his party by his support for the [[Maastricht Treaty]] and the integration of Britain with the [[European Union]] that it brought about. Lady Thatcher criticised Major's European policy both publicly and in private.<br /> <br /> Following the Conservatives' surprise victory in the 1992 general election, the popularity both of the party and of Major himself fell dramatically, particularly after a financial crisis in September 1992 known as [[Black Wednesday]], in which the [[Pound]] was forced out of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM). Major's approval ratings remained in the doldrums for the remainder of his term in office, and in the May 1997 general election the Conservatives suffered one of their heaviest defeats in history against the newly revamped Labour Party of [[Tony Blair]]. Major was subsequently replaced as Prime Minister by [[Tony Blair]] of the [[Labour Party]] and as leader of the Conservative Party by [[William Hague]].<br /> <br /> Although a very competent politician and a capable Prime Minister, Major's most serious mistake was failing to control the political divisions and infighting in his party, which lead to a needlessly heavy defeat in the 1997 election. Assessment of the significance of Major's premiership has gradually risen since he left office. In particular, his role in bringing together the political parties from different traditions is increasingly seen as crucial in creating the conditions for peaceful self-rule in [[Northern Ireland]], while he is recognised to have made substantial progress in making government agencies more accountable to the public. The latter achievements stand in sharp contrast to the subsequent efforts of the [[Tony Blair|Blair]] government to diminish accountability. He also developed and built upon [[Margaret Thatcher]]'s free market reforms, reframing the project as "not what can we privatise but what do we need to keep".<br /> {{UKPrimeMinisters}}<br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Major, John}}<br /> [[Category:British History]]<br /> [[Category:British Politics]]<br /> [[Category:Conservatives]]<br /> [[Category:United Kingdom Prime Ministers]]<br /> [[Category:British People]]<br /> [[Category:Former Heads of Government]]<br /> [[Category:British Politicians]]<br /> [[Category:Former Members of Parliament]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Socialism&diff=1648370 Talk:Socialism 2020-05-18T23:03:09Z

<p>Rafael: /* Christian socialism */</p> <hr /> <div>"This correlates with a rise in atheism," I think it should be noted that correlation does not show causation. What is the correlation coefficient? Is there a positive or a negative correlation?<br /> -Gasmonkey<br /> <br /> "Socialism has caused more deaths…" What, really? A reference would go great with that opinion. --[[User:Prometheus|Prometheus]] 01:19, 17 March 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Laughable bias ==<br /> <br /> "Leading European Socialists are very critical of America."<br /> <br /> Of America? Of the american government? Some of the american governments? Some of the american goverments policies? American corporations? American food? American anti-americans? American republicans, democrats, liberals, jews, muslims, african americans, hispanics? I assume you mean all those things since you just say America? Do you have a valid point somewhere buried under that mountain of prejudice and generalisation? [[User:Messpm|Messpm]] 15:25, 17 March 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::: It is self-evident socialists of any kind are critical of The American Dream, including leftists who by nature wish the destruction of the current administration so they can set up their own. Socialists do not like anything about what America means, though they more and more like what America is becoming. [[User:JBristol|JBristol]] 22:05, 3 July 2010 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :: Also, the source that backs it up mentions America ''once''.<br /> <br /> <br /> ' One thing is clear: the unilateral military style approach of the Bush-administration has failed'<br /> <br /> I'm removing it with the ridiculous 'vastly superior' remark. [[User:Wikinterpreter|Wikinterpreter]]<br /> <br /> [[User:AmeriCan]] keeps reverting my edits saying that it stresses the rights of the many over the priveliges of the few, as opposed to vice versa. I'm tired of edit warring and don't want to get blocked for something that is not worth it. [[User:GodlessLiberal|GodlessLiberal]] 01:32, 29 April 2007 (EDT)<br /> :Okay, this article is just [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Socialism&diff=next&oldid=135051 ridiculous]. I give up. [[User:GodlessLiberal|GodlessLiberal]] 13:49, 29 April 2007 (EDT)<br /> == Incentives ==<br /> <br /> I couldn't find anywhere in this article where socialism lacks incentives. Should I add it in? The lack of incentives is a crucial reason to why socialism doesn't work in societies. [[User:AdrianP|AdrianP]] 01:40, 29 April 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> This article's lack of knowledge is laughable and as an evil limey toothéd bastard who can spell things right (color=LOL) who is also a European Socilaist who is critical of America (the whole world is socialist by that standard) I must correct this issue.<br /> LOL at the moron who re-edited my work, they do not know history well enough to try and battle me over Atlee.<br /> <br /> == "Socialist" Britain ==<br /> <br /> Rob, re your revision to Socialism. First, you make a large assumption about how socialist New Labour is (they aren't), second, the Conservatives would be far less likely to change the rules than any Socialist party, partly because thirdly, it would require disestablisment of the Church of England, which in any case could almost certainly not be achieved in the ten years New Labour have been in power, even if it was something they intended to do. Based on this I think the phrase "Socialist Britain" is inappropriate and removing it would not be liberal bias. In fact, retaining it is conservative bias. --[[User:Olly|Olly]] 15:23, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> :So the Socialists do not oppose religious discriminition then? [[User:RobS|RobS]] 15:30, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::Which socialists? New Labour do - they have in fact introduced legislation outlawing discrimination based on religious belief. But as I said - they're not Socialists in the sense that you would use. And as the article says - Catholics are not barred from being Prime Minister. They are barred from holding one of the ceremonial offices associated with the post - an office which could be renounced without having any impact on the powers intrinsic to the post of Prime Minister.--[[User:Olly|Olly]] 15:35, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::This article gives a glowing description of what Socialism has done for Britian since 1945; it does not differentiate between Brand X Socialism and Brand Z; together, whatever stripe, along with all those great things they've done, you'd think eliminating bigotry would be high on the list. Must be a case where they are willing to compromise their principles in exchange for real political power. Nonetheless, they never stop talking about things like oppression, etc. Oh, I forgot, people who beleive in God are fair game for discrimination -- that's one of the basic tenets of Socialism. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 15:44, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::::Socialism in Britain has done more to eliminate bigotry in Britain than any other movement. In fact so much that it is accused of political correctness. That this singular example remains is not an indictment of socialism - in fact that such a small example seems to raise your ire so much shows just how far bigotry has been eliminated.<br /> <br /> ::::People who believe in God are not discriminated against in this case. Adherants to '''any faith or denomination''' except Catholic are eligible; and the restriction to Catholics applies only to one essentially irrelevant ceremonial office associated with the post. Can you please address the points I make in the way I have yours?--[[User:Olly|Olly]] 15:53, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::::So Britian, under various Socialist governments since 1945, has continued to discriminate against Roman Catholics. Why should this be surprising? It is very much in keeping with Socialist doctrine. And we can certainly conclude, Socialism ''does not'' respect equality. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:04, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::::::Everything you say can be repeated for Conservatism in this case, and you continue to ignore all of my points. Forget it.--[[User:Olly|Olly]] 16:08, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::::::Ignore which points? Are arguing discrimination against Catholics is not discrimination? Why? Because they're Catholic? [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:15, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::::::: I have to reiterate Olly's point here. I live in Britain, and I know that the Labour Party, since the [[Third Way]] (the third way, see? Not socialism, not conservatism, but a middle), is not a socialist party. ergo, blaming discrimination on socialists is false. --<font color="#222222" face="Times New Roman">Wik</font><font color="#444444" face="Times New Roman">i</font><font color="#666666" face="Times New Roman">nterpreter</font>'''<sup>[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Wikinterpreter talk?]</sup><br /> <br /> ::::::::: I rarely comment on politics but I have to agree with the British users here (being one myself). The Labour Party ceased to be a socialist party with the move to becoming New Labour (their proper title) and the implementation of the [[Third Way]]. New Labour seem to be in the strange position of trying to appeal to both the left and the right at the same time with neither Conservative nor Liberal values other than those required to win the popular vote. What is more worrying to the British conservative is that the Conservative Tory party seem to be following the same path required to win the mass vote leaving Britain in the strange position that both our main left and right parties have moved to the centre leaving nothing that would reflect either conservative or liberal views other than some rather, errr, I'll be polite here and say odd, fringe political groups such as the detestable BNP (no policies other than those of racism) and the pointless UKIP (too insular by far). Socialism has been dead since Labour morphed into New Labour (best described as a "Labour scented party") and traditional conservatism seems to be following the same path --[[User:Trashbat|Trashbat]] 17:54, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :: new labour is certainly not socialist in nature! --[[User:Cgday|Cgday]] 17:56, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I have to confess, I get lost in leftist ideological fever swamps. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 18:00, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::: I have no idea what that means but nothing about modern britain or it's govt fits anything that resembles "socialism" in any significant manner - fees and loans for students, PFI, Invasion of iraq etc etc. The current govt is actually further to the right in many ways that Mrs. T government! was Thatch a socialist! I think not! --[[User:Cgday|Cgday]] 18:02, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::: Similarly, our Conservative party is no longer traditional conservatism. Think two parties both using the same elastic ideologies to chase the same fickle voters and appeal to conservative and liberal alike and there you have recent British politics. No left or right, just two sets of "middle". --[[User:Trashbat|Trashbat]] 18:05, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::::::Yep. I was just reading how Socialist leaders in Britian send their kids to private schools. Very similiar to American liberals -- who then give us the Cain vs Abel speil about getting even with the rich! [[User:RobS|RobS]] 18:21, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Which socialist leaders? You mean the leader of the socialist workers party? I doubt it. I'm really struggling to understand what's going on here - Britain does not have a socialist government and if the catholic thing is meant to be an indication of socialist discrimination then Mrs. Thatcher was a socialist because she did nothing about it either! --[[User:Cgday|Cgday]] 18:25, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Here. [http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1970902,00.html] At least now we know why Blair's popularity has shrunk; it's not the War in Iraq, it's all those compassionate liberals and socialists who found out he was thinking of converting to Catholicism. [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/15/ncath15.xml] [[User:RobS|RobS]] 18:35, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> eh? Do you think this is a big issue in the UK? That someone is a catholic? Can I suggest in a friendly manner that maybe your understanding of the UK is slightly lacking and you are looking at it via the lens of the US? I'll leave it at that stage because you want the article to say that Britain is a socialist nation and as a sysop - well you win straight out of the box. --[[User:Cgday|Cgday]] 18:38, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> :It was somebody elses idea to trumpet the glories of British Socialism, whatever for. What is obvious from this is, Socialist do not care at all about equality and human rights. It's simply fraud to pretend that they do. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 18:46, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Thing is, we have no true socialist leaders or true conservatives anymore. Ideology is dead, long live chasing after anyone that will vote for you. And I come from a very long line of Catholics who were also passionate supporters of the NHS, minimum wages and other socialist ideals. I happen to be Christian and Conservative but there are many good Christians who hold to what are considered socialist values. Many many many shades of grey here. Very hard to pin down to a few neat paragraphs. One thing holds true though, New Labour are not and never were Socialist. This is why most of my extended family stopped voting Labour as they felt it was a betrayal of their values. --[[User:Trashbat|Trashbat]] 18:48, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::The only limitation that Blair would face if he became a Catholic would be that he would be unable to suggest the appointment of Bishops in the Church of England to the Crown. This restriction came about from the Catholic Relief Act of 1829, which repealed earlier laws outlawing Catholic participation in voting and government. There is also a law prohibiting the King or Queen from being a Catholic or married to a Catholic, the Act of Settlement of 1701. British anti-Catholic laws have nothing to do with Socialism or the Labour party, but instead are due to the English Civil War, the Restoration, and resistance by Protestant Britain to Catholic rule. The Act of Settlement and that provision of the Catholic Relief Act aren't still in force due to strong anti-Catholic sentiment in Britain, but just due to inertia and the fact that the law doesn't really come up. I don't think it's true to say that these restrictions have anything at all to do with socialism in Britain, either currently or historically.--[[User:Epicurius|Steve]] 18:50, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::This BBC article quotes Blair, "changing the law would be hugely complicated involving changes to nine different pieces of legislation." [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/529227.stm] [[User:RobS|RobS]] 19:13, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> We still have a great number of old laws that technically still apply (policemen in certain counties are still supposed to walk in the gutter for example) that no one adheres to, very few remember and no one cares to repeal due to the fact that they are archaic and pretty much forgotten. Hardly tantamount to discrimination, more a quirk of history. [[User:Trashbat|Trashbat]] 18:54, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Right...that's my point. I'm agreeing with you. It's an old law that has never been changed because it's never been an issue.--[[User:Epicurius|Steve]] 19:02, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Would it be more correct to rephrase the final sentence in this article thus. "''In Britain, Catholics are discriminated against by being barred from holding certain offices associated with the post of Prime Minister. These offices can be renounced without any practical inhibition to the powers of the post, but no government, socialist or otherwise has done so since 1829."'' Or better yet, remove it. Or am I just tired from a long day down t'pit? --[[User:Trashbat|Trashbat]] 19:07, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> :Sounds good, but we should add, "a reform measure was voted down as recently as 1999." [[User:RobS|RobS]] 19:16, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::Well, the 1999 reform measure you're citing doesn't have anything to do with religious restrictions of the Prime Minister...just religious restrictions for the monarch. But, still, I don't really see what this has to do with socialism.--[[User:Epicurius|Steve]] 23:52, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::It evidently isn't that easy. Blair says it affects nine pieces of legislation, some it appears affecting his office. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 00:08, 3 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> If that is the case then please do. No shame in the truth providing all governments since 1829 share the blame equally. --[[User:Trashbat|Trashbat]] 19:20, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> :Go ahead and do it. That is indeed how a democracy works, even when socialists are dominant. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 19:47, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> My only issue with making these amendments to an article on Socialism is that, as all governments since 1829 are complicit in this lack of reform, it is no longer purely a Socialist issue and, as such, should have no place here. I'd like other people's views on this but, as it is not soley a Socialist failing, I think the entire reference to this Catholic discrimination should be removed. Other people, the floor is yours ; ) --[[User:Trashbat|Trashbat]] 19:56, 2 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> I think this section illustrates the folly of applying a US conservative-liberal axis to the political culture of other countries. There's an interesting article to be written about socialism in Britain but it doesn't belong in an article that puts anyone who supports universal health care in the same camp as Stalin and Hitler.--[[User:Jalapeno|Jalapeno]] 01:05, 3 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> :Yes and no. It all depends on the conduct of the British Socialists. Name calling, and outrageous assertions can be a two way street. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 01:13, 3 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Hang on a minute. The information about the Act of Settlement is correct, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Socialism. What on earth is it doing here? If nobody else removes it I will.<br /> <br /> how are catholics discriminate against by labour? there are catholic schools funded by the state, the only part of the UK that discriminates against catholics is Northern Ireland and if you called men like paisley a socialist he'd knock your teeth out.[[User:Foxley|Foxley]] 15:18, 5 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :How many decades over the past century has the labour/left coalition dominated British politics? Why haven't they acted on this? Being the self-appointed defenders of the oppressed and against injustice, how come no one speaks up?<br /> <br /> :We don't have to look far to see how deeply rooted and respectable anti-Catholicism is in British culture. Why, one of the ''Beatles'' greatest hits, ''Lady Madonna'' is a celebration of despicable anti-Catholic attitudes & stereotypes. And several Beatles have been, if recollection serves me correct, Knighted for their achievements and service. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 15:47, 5 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Right. Just one Beatle -- Paul -- has been knighted and both he and John Lennon were themselves raised as Catholics. I really don't think Lady Madonna can be seriously regarded as a criticism of ANYTHING.<br /> :Read the lyrics. [http://www.lyrics007.com/The%20Beatles%20Lyrics/Lady%20Madonna%20Lyrics.html] George Harrison, too. John Lenin didn't live long enough, and everybody knows Ringo's a bit slow. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 17:48, 5 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Facts are, for all criticism of the US, the treatment of Catholics, by law, in Great Britain, as second class citizens, or the open, naked prejudice and ridicule they suffer, would never ever be tolerated in the United States. And truth be told, there is anti-Catholic prejudice in the US, but nothing like the respectability it has gained over the centuries in Great Britain. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 17:54, 5 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> What do you mean "George Harrison too"? Are you under some delusion that he, too, was knighted. You are wrong. All of them did, of course, get MBEs, though Lennon -- "Lenin"? Oh, you are SO witty -- returned his in protest at the Vietnam War. As for Lady Madonna, speaking as an Irish Catholic myself, I am flabbergasted that you could regard this as a recognisable criticism of that community.<br /> :Read the lyrics. I was raised Catholic but left the Church many years ago. But I ''still'' get deeply offended by the blatant intent, and ridicule of the message in that song. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:15, 6 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::Paul McCartney, a lapsed Catholic, said he wrote ''Lady Madonna'' in response to seeing a photograph of a woman and child entitled ''Mountain Madonna''.[http://www.iamthebeatles.com/article1208.html] It's bizarre to read an anti-Catholic sentiment into that song -- it's an expression of sympathy for a struggling mother. In answer to an earlier question you posed Labour has governed the UK for about 30 of the last 100 years and has traditionally enjoyed strong support from Catholics[http://www.ipsos-mori.com/publications/rmw/the-catholic-vote.shtml]; The greatest opposition to changing the constitution to allow a Catholic monarch comes from traditionalist Conservatives who want to retain the privileges of the Church of England. --[[User:Jalapeno|Jalapeno]] 13:21, 6 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::Sympathy? On what planet? ''Labour has governed the UK for about 30 of the last 100 years'' And we are really discussing Socialists here, and their record of being defenders of the "oppressed", and rectifying injustice. Even if it's only 30 years, what is the record of rectifying this injustice? [[User:RobS|RobS]] 14:01, 6 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::::Sigh.[http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/area/uk/pm.htm] Catholics in Britain have traditionally favoured Labour for a number of reasons, not least of which is that Labour has been more sympathetic towards Nationalism and the Conservatives more sympathetic to Unionism -- it's more to do with green vs. orange than red vs. blue. Perhaps we could have a cite for the "oppression" that has somehow escaped the attention of those living in Britain who have contributed to this thread? --[[User:Jalapeno|Jalapeno]] 15:17, 6 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::::Cough. Sneeze. [http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CA992.htm][http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article512736.ece] Thank God she's not a Catholic. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:17, 6 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == DAB's version ==<br /> <br /> DAB's version on 'succesful socialism' has already resisted 9 minutes. How long before a SysOp comes? I guess someone will be blocked for a long long time... (and no, I have no affiliation with DAB)[[User:Leopeo|Leopeo]] 13:38, 6 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Let's not get carried away here, please ==<br /> The picture at the very top of the page right away makes a direct visual attachment of communism and socialism as if they are one in the same. As the vast majority of editors and sysops here are quite cleary well educated people, I am shocked that the picture in question remains. Communism is not the equal of socialism, nor is the reverse true either. Communism is socialism taken to the far extreme. For example, Finland is socialist, but try labeling them communists and see what happens, lol... I'm all for removing that picture, and perhaps replacing it with something more indicative of socialism in general rather than Marxism/Leninism/Communism in specific. [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 16:35, 23 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> :Oh, umhh, I see. Care to explain how [[Hitler]] was misunderstood, too? [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:39, 23 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::Rob, he never said anything about "misunderstanding" the ideology. He made the valid point that socialism and communism are ''not'' the same thing. Canada, Finland, Sweden, etc. They are socialist, but ''not'' communist. Do you wish to dispute that? This conversation had nothing to do with Hitler. --<font color="#0000CC" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Hojimachong|'''Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ''']]</font><sup><font color="00FFAA">[[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]]</font></sup> 16:50, 23 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::Pardon me for not wading into a [[leftist]] ideological fever swamp, but I really don't care to decipher the degrees of complicity in [[democide]] based upon an avowed [[atheistic]] philosophy. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 18:05, 23 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::::So then don't contribute to the article. Your responses do not address the complaints, but rather your refusal to accept anything other than what you think you already know. Your defense for completely screwing up the distinction between two ideologies is a refusal to even ''attempt'' to understand the distinction. That makes ''perfect'' sense. I'd be glad to wade into that "leftist ideological fever swamp" for you, Rob, seeing how scared you are of it. --<font color="#0000CC" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Hojimachong|'''Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ''']]</font><sup><font color="00FFAA">[[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]]</font></sup> 18:13, 23 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> We are not in the position of advocating, defending, or apologizing for [[democidal]] ideologies. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 18:18, 23 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> :No, we are in the position to write an '''encyclopedia article''' about them. And saying that communism and socialism are identical ideologies is completely false. Once again, you change your reasons for wanting to include the misleading picture. How is being factual "apologetic", "advocating for", or "defending" socialism? Are you suggesting we deliberatly mislead readers? And the ideology is not democidal. Last I heard, Canada, Finland, Sweden, etc. don't commit democide. --<font color="#0000CC" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Hojimachong|'''Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ''']]</font><sup><font color="00FFAA">[[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]]</font></sup> 18:27, 23 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Quite so Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ. If I seek to distinguish between a shark and a barracuda I am not taking sides with either. Rob seems pathologically incapable of listening to reason and seems to view any considered response of this subject to be an act of Marxist-Leninist subversion. Ignore him.<br /> <br /> RobS it appears you misunderstood what I was saying and clearly the fault is on me as I should have explained my position better.My apologies on giving the impression that I was apologizing for communism. Was not my intention. I think however you should really think about what Hojimachong is saying though, since he has explained it perfectly =) [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 23:33, 24 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :: I went ahead and removed the picture in question. I do apologize to you RobS however, in truth it was misleading and out of place. It would PERFECT for the article on Communism, or articles about the old Soviet Union and presently existing communist regimes. But this is the socialism page. Let me put it this way: Having that picture represent socilism in general is like making an article about the primary colors and only showing blue. It is misleading. But this is in no way a reflection of any supposed sympathy for communism in specific or even socialism in general. And as for democide, well, isn't that getting a bit off track? I know one of the key principles of communism is an athiestic society, but that's all part of the package, I don't see how making your major argument revolve around democide makes sense. Also, again, that's communist specific. There are SOCIALIST countries that are Christian by LAW, as a STATE RELIGION (something that America has avoided as we all know), regardless of the denomination. So applying democide to socialism is another exercise in ignorance. But I digress; I simply removed a misleading graphic. I would like to add something more illustrative of socialism in general, however while I could find such a thing, I sadly am not well versed in editing yet, specificaly when it comes to posting images. Yes, that IS a call for help by the way, =) [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 00:06, 25 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::That's odd, I thought the name of the state Stalin & Lenin presided over was, "The Union of Soviet '''Socialist''' Republics, not "the Union of Soviet Communist Republics". I must have been sleeping in class again the day they set that straight, I guess. [[User:RobS|RobS]] <br /> 00:23, 25 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::"What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell just as sweet," or in this case "would be just as red." hahaha, sorry, bad joke. But here is my response: That was simply a name. If I call a ka-bar a fluffy teddy bear, does that make it any less lethal a weapon? No. Granted, the USSR itself may not have been total communism, however it was far closer to communism than it was to the "ordinary" socialist idealology that spawned it. As I stated earlier, "socialism" is a generalism, while "communism," "USSR," etc. are specifics. If you're talking about a broad issue like socialism, it's not academically responsible to, whether accidently or otherwise, make the specific general broad issue appear to others as nothing more than one single specific. [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 00:38, 25 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> If you have two children, and the children are quite different from one another in most respcts, but naturally they are both YOUR children, do you take any more pride in the one, than you do the other? Is socialism nothing more than communism that spawns from it? Of your two hypothetical children, does only one of them represent you? [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 00:43, 25 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::As a side note, I truly do believe in at least replacing that image, and I do notice it is back up, though I'd rather not take it back down again unless some sort of consensus is reached or I get solid support for my argument. I do not wish to be accused of starting an edit war or seem like I have a vendetta against RobS now :) [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 00:52, 25 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> Also I am pleased to see the "different strands of socialism" section. I completely support that. The existence of that section lends even more to my argument that that graphic on the socialism article in general ought to be removed. The section listing different strands of socialism clearly indicates the author knows communism is not the entirety of socialism. So why the communist specific graphic? =)<br /> <br /> Just to go back to socialism and atheism for a minute, while it's true that Marxist Communism certainly is atheistic, socialism isn't neccesarily. In fact, there was a strong Christian Socialist movement in Britain in the 19th century that helped lead to the British Labour party, and there was certainly a Jewish Socialist movement that contributed to the Zionist movement.--[[User:Epicurius|Steve]] 01:22, 25 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Very good points Steve! [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 01:25, 25 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Compromise?==<br /> RobS, I would greatly apreciate it if you would take a look at my most recent edit. I didnot remove the graphic. I did however edit the text in the caption slightly, in that I added a bitmore detail which makes it less misleading, in my opinion, and I would greatly value your thoughts on this =) [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 04:53, 25 June 2007 (EDT) (anyone else reading also lol)<br /> <br /> ::Well scratch that. It seems Fox has provided a graphic that suits the article. Cheers to Fox, good find and good edit. [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 13:54, 25 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::RobS if you gave up debating I do not see the virtue in reverting Fox's edit. His picture makes much more sense than the previous. I reverted it back to HIS. You seem to want to cram your opinion down peoples's throats. On the other hand, Fox and I and many others would rather have this be accurate and academic. [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 02:46, 27 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I'm no supporter of Socialism by any means, but I genuinely feel this image is more illustrative for the article's subject, particularly as the main body sems to concentrate on British socialism. I know how easy it can be to choose an image to make a general point rather than to illustrate the point of the article - you should see the dozens of pics I'm itching to use to illustrate Israel's fight for survival - but I resist the temptation to use them because: we all accept that articles here are going to be representative of a broadly, if only small "c", conservatism, so using a soviet commie poster to illustrate the article is somewhat like cracking hazelnuts with a sledgehammer. Welded to an anvil. :D [[Image:User Fox.png]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] <small>([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])</small> 04:17, 27 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Agreed. That's how I felt on it. I'm not a supporter of socialism either, but I do support sticking to the point, rather than the point of view. [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 15:46, 27 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Inaccurate==<br /> The article currently lists Tony B.liar as the Prime Minister. [[Image:User Fox.png]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] <small>([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])</small> 19:08, 27 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *No points given for something that only happened earlier today, Fox! ROFL! We can change it when you know who the new man is, eh? --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 19:10, 27 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::LoL - I would have changed it, but it was protected. The new <strike>village idiot</strike> PM is [[Gordon Brown]]. [[Image:User Fox.png]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] <small>([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])</small> 19:47, 27 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::Check your offline Yahoo's. --[[User:TK|<small>Sysop-</small>TK]] <sub>[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]</sub> 20:13, 27 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Poor Move ==<br /> I am saddened to see the page is locked for editing after being reverted back to misleading picture. This is quite unfortunate and I am afraid it will refelect poorly for CP. [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 19:02, 28 June 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == This article lacks a basic understanding of what socialism is ==<br /> <br /> This article begins by stating.<br /> <br /> Socialism is an economic system where the means of production are seized and monopolized by the government without compensation to the builders of the capital, and where investments, production, distribution, income, prices, and economic justice are administered by a government nomenklatura that regulate the transfer of money, goods (including capital goods), and services primarily through taxation and regularized and institutionalized aggressive coercion. <br /> <br /> <br /> There are a number of things wrong with this. It seems like the author has failed to actually read socialist tracts. I will try to list most of the fallacies I see offhand.<br /> <br /> 1. "are seized and monopolized by the government" this phrase betrays a lack of knowledge about how socialism views the state. For example, "means of production" aren't seized, and cannot be seized. The worker is a human being not a commodity or "capital". As a human being he is a part of the state. Finally, Marxism actually is anti-state and in the culmination of the dialectical processes would lead to its removal. (Also, no mention of Hegelian dialectics are present in the article. This is a key point concerning socialism. To abandon the dialectic is similar to discussing Christianity without the crucifixion.)<br /> :So the human being is an [[untermensch]], state property, and without rights, correct? [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:09, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> 2. The authors seem to fail to realize that there are vast differences within socialism just as there are within Christianity e.g. Catholicism, Protestantism, Mormonism...etc each differing vastly but similar in appearance to an outsider.<br /> :True; Jesse Jackson for example, may be described as a God-fearing Socialist. Problem is, we need more sources. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:09, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::In Wikipedia one may find: ''Socialism refers to a broad array of doctrines or political movements that envisage a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community for the purposes of increasing social and economic equality and cooperation. This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state... A diverse array of doctrines and movements have been referred to as "socialist." '' --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 01:53, 18 October 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::*Well, Wikipedia is never an acceptable source or citation at CP, so perhaps another definition can be found, Joaquín. --<font color="#1E90FF" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]]</font><sup><font color="DC143C">[[User_Talk:TK|/Ṣρёаќǃ]]</font></sup> 06:31, 18 October 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> 3. The statement that "religion is the opium of the masses" is taken out of context. It wasn't meant to be a pejorative statement. The common misunderstanding of this quote is that religion is a tool used by the state to force an otherwise unruly population into line through fear, propaganda, religious mysticism, and thus religion is ultimately evil. <br /> :So under this theory, the state gets people hooked on narcotics in order to control them. Thanks for clarifying that. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:09, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> The actual meaning is that religion is created by the people for the people as an expression of their desire for some form of justice in an evil world. This may be viewed through a Christian perspective of mankind longing for God and thereby creating rituals and religion etc.. to reach Him. <br /> :Ok, so then Marxism or Socialism (or whatever code word you wish to use), Socialists seek to restrict the fundemental, God-given, [[human right]] of [[worship]]. Further, this an excellent example of [[leftist]]s seeking to impose ''their'' [[morality]] on the rest of us, is it not? [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:09, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> Really, the major lack of information concerning Hegel's influence and the respective influence of the French, Germans, and British on Marx as he lived throughout Europe in his formulation of his ideas (French utopianism etc...) suggest an overly simplified method of viewing socialism.<br /> :Yes, I understand. It truelly is a more intellectual exercise than we give it credit for. [[Charles Manson]] wasn't much of an intellectual, but his recruiting talents and demonstrated abilities to persuade young minds would have made a valuable member of the [[nomenklatura]]. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:09, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> It is a multifaceted philosophy and this article does it great injustice by explaining it in terms you would have expected from a farmboy filled with American propaganda from the 1950s.<br /> :Multifacted. Yes. Some advocate murder and lawlessness, others only certain degrees of it. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:09, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> Socialism does not necessarily attempt to create a manmade utopia atheistically (some forms have however). Instead, the historical process is viewed as evolving. Just as the Roman system of government worked better than the Greeks, and feudalism evolved from that. In turn industrialized capitalistic colonial government worked better than feudalism. None of these forms of government were perfect but in every case they were better (arguably worse depending on whose perspective you take.) Similarly, socialism is ultimately a democratic movement wherein the workers (i.e. the means of production) cease to be exploited by the privelaged classes.<br /> :Marxist mumbo-jumbo. Feudalism was at one time the solution to mankinds problems of homelessness and unemployment, and other social problems. Conservapedia is not interested in spewing more Marxist trash to another generation. We need some straight forward reporting on human history. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:09, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> Also, one last misconception is that socialism is against private property or the earning of wages. It is quite the opposite small business men were sympathetically viewed by Marx as ultimately destroyed by the industry (Analogy: mom and pop stores being eaten by Walmart). Socialism is often viewed as a welfare state, but Marx's view was contrary to this. He viewed the owners of corporations etc... as those who benefited from the welfare of the production made by those who worked. Thus, the worker (means of production) produced and the owner (businessman) consumed. <br /> :So we are back to the issue of [[Economic planning]]; yes, we are working on that. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:09, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> This article expresses a really uneducated opinion. I'm not claiming socialism is the greatest thing ever. I'm not denying communism and thus mass murders and authoritarian government came from it. But its a logical fallacy to claim that socialism is therefore wrong. Take the French Revolution. Maximillian Robespierre was a democrat and the revolution was a democratic one and yet it is known as the Reign of Terror. Is democracy evil? Also, consider Christianity and the crusades, the inquisition, the wars fought between the reformationists and the Catholics. Is Christianity therefore wrong?<br /> :The revolution was democratic? Yes, and as our sources show, violating price controls set by economic planning boards was a capital offense warranting the guillotine. Glad to see democracy works. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:09, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> You do yourself and the reader great injustice. [[User:Jstanierm|Jstanierm]] 15:09, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> :Good luck, son. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:09, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::I don't understand. Are you saying the French radicals in charge of the Reign of Terror were not liberals (in the international sense) who were in favor of a democracy as opposed to the monarchy? How novel and how very uninformed. [[User:Jstanierm|Jstanierm]] 16:21, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Please don't debate me within my own text it's hard to respond. Concerning the opium statement if you actually read my sentence I said that's the common misconception.<br /> :::There's little evidence the French Revolution was "democratic;" it was a lynch mob that turned on each other. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:54, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> "So the human being is an [[untermensch]], state property, and without rights, correct?"<br /> <br /> No that's incorrect Marx actually wrote of the end of the concept of statehood. I get the notion that you believe Communism is socialism and you have a limited understanding of what Marx wrote. Concepts such as government, statehood, etc.. are absent from socialism as a philosophy. [[User:Jstanierm|Jstanierm]] 16:26, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::Bukharin read Marx correct; he saw through the fraud. While I do not advocate or agree with Bukharin's philosophy, as an eyewitness, his historical reporting on Marx is accurate. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:54, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> You say I'm using code words. That would be similar to me denying Christianity on the grounds that I find the Pope offensive. When you claim that not all Christians are Catholics I accuse you of using propaganda and code words. <br /> <br /> Please be a bit more rational. I am not a Marxist propagandist. I am a Christian. I feel like this article could use a little more truth in it and little less of the common American anti-communism uninformed dialogue in it. [[User:Jstanierm|Jstanierm]] 16:28, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::What's so uninformed? Americans have stood on the sidelines and watched how Socialism has ravaged other contintents with [[democide]], and have clearly articlated a [[foreign policy]] to oppose it. Yes, Socialism has made vast inroads in the [[public school]]s, [[media]], entertainment, and [[law]]. But American foreign policy for decades has been fairly consistent in opposing it, despite opposition and subversion along the way. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:54, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::What are you talking about? Which continent was ravaged by SOCIALISM? SOCIALISM NOT COMMUNISM. THEY ARE DIFFERENT. READ A BOOK, PLEASE, AND LEARN A LITTLE. Are you talking about Europe and Canada? Two very SOCIALIST places, or are you talking about Russia and China two very COMMUNIST places. <br /> <br /> :::The Reign of Terror was a DEMOCRATIC revolution. Communism came from socialism but it is NOT socialism. The Reign of Terror was founded on liberal ideas like anti-monarchy, freedom of speech, democracy, BUT IT WAS NOT DEMOCRACY. [[User:Jstanierm|Jstanierm]] 17:02, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==British socialism==<br /> The second paragraph of the British socialism section should be removed. It really has nothing to do with socialism (though some of it might be useful in a different article). Additionally the sentence describing how Catholics are barred from certain offices appears to be untrue, or at least misleading. The "offices" in question are the mostly ceremonial positions of Monarch and spouse. [[User:PortlyMort|PortlyMort]] 15:42, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> :oh, so you don't deny the existence of discriminatory laws? [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 15:50, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::Other than barring a Catholic from becoming king or queen? I don't know of any. If there are point them out. In any case it has nothing to do with socialism. Put it in the [[United Kingdom]] article; I didn't notice it there. [[User:PortlyMort|PortlyMort]] 15:55, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::Dodi Fayed's kid could become king, but not Tony Blair's. In the US, this is not only unconstitutional, most living American's would be outraged at the even the suggestion of such a law. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:08, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::::Again, WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH SOCIALISM? [[User:PortlyMort|PortlyMort]] 16:25, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::::What did the Socialist do to repeal this law when it was last taken up? [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:30, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::::::"The Socialist"? Who might he be? In any case, the law has been on the books for 300 years, and in that time no party has repealed it (it's mostly a non-issue; neither Fayed's nor Blair's kids are going to become king, the Queen's kid will. He's an Anglican), should it be mentioned in the articles on Tories, Whigs, and the Britsh Liberal Party? How about every in the article on every Prime Minister ("Benjamin Disraeli did not repeal the Act of Settlement"; "Earl Grey did not repeal the Act of Settlement"; "Ramsay MacDonald did not repeal the Act of Settlement"...). According the the cited article "Mr Blair said altering the law would be a hugely complicated process involving changes to nine separate pieces of legislation. The government has already embarked on a heavy legislative programme with 28 bills to see through." If Prince William gets engaged to a Catholic I'll bet we'll see the issue taken up, but in the meantime it's a lot of work for a something that is not going to be an issue. And ''it has nothing to do with socialism''. It might be relevant in another article, but not this one. [[User:PortlyMort|PortlyMort]] 16:43, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::::::Blair's wife is Roman Catholic, and the kids are too as I understand. Fayed was a Muslim, and the child Princess Di was carrying at the time of her death would have a had a rightful claim to the throne under certain circumstnces.<br /> :::::::The logic of your argument above appears quite anti-progressive, and [[reactionary]], does it not? [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 17:14, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> ::::::::Hmmm. Perhaps it would help if you actually read what I wrote. But that might be too much to ask. Fayed and his offspring would have zero claim to the throne, nor does Blair's kids. None of that matters, in any case, as we're discussing the article, and the connection between the Act of Settlement and socialism, which is zero. I'm not sure what's "reactionary" about pointing that out. I'm not here to defend the Act of Settlement, or any other remnant of Britian's bygone era. Just explain its significance to this article. [[User:PortlyMort|PortlyMort]] 18:18, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::::::::We saw the same thing when Chuck remarried; the wedding was delayed because Parker-Bowles had at onetime been married to a Catholic. "Thank God she's not a Catholic" [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article512736.ece] How these Enlightened Socialists can look us straight in the eye, fail to condemn this hypocracy, shrug their shoulders and say there's nothing that can be done about it, I'll never understand. It all proves the point: Socialism stands for nothing but political opportunism. And if it something doesn't serve Socialists immediate politcal opportunism, like standing up for religious freedom and against religious bigotry, they fall back on reactionary arguments. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 12:23, 11 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> :::::::::'''Bottom line''': Don't tell me Socialism stands for social progess, change, opposition to the exiting order, levelling the playing field, and against discriminition until British Socialists take on this issue. Absent that, Socialism is just a complete [[fraud]]. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 12:32, 11 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *See [[deceit]], Rob. You don't really expect to get a straight answer, do you? --<font color="#0002AC" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]]</font><sup><font color="OOFFAA">[[User_Talk:TK|Ṣρёаќǃ]]</font></sup> 18:19, 10 August 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> What I think should be shown is the much higher quality of life in democratic socialist countries in Europe and elsewhere. OECD ranks countries around the world on quality of life. In 2012, democratic socialist countries included #1 Australia, #2 Norway, #4 Sweden, #5 Denmark, #6 Canada, #7 Switzerland, #8 Netherlands (dang libs!), #9 New Zealand, and #10 Luxembourg.<br /> <br /> == Just Plain Wrong ==<br /> <br /> Socialism is an economic system where the means of production are seized and monopolized by the government without compensation to the builders of the capital, and where investments, production, distribution, income, prices, and economic justice are administered by a government nomenklatura that regulate the transfer of money, goods (including capital goods), and services primarily through taxation and regularized and institutionalized aggressive coercion.<br /> <br /> This is the definition of COMMUNISM, not SOCIALISM. The writer of this article is laughably politicaly incoherent. (and the bias is thick enough to cut with a bundle of sticks tied to an axe)<br /> :If you think you can do better, Silvanus, by all means do so...but don't make it hard on yourself by demeaning others. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 17:35, 14 November 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::I think we have to distinguish between the various types of socialism, but this is not easy to do. Many partisans write about socialism as if their pet variety is the only (or main) kind.<br /> <br /> ::The kind which conservatives oppose is the totalitarian [[Communist]] type. But not every form of socialism is as bad as that. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 15:26, 4 January 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> :::Well, in the European tradition at least, communism has always been extremely distinct from socialism - perhaps this is not clear in the USA. For instance, the Labour Party has always been committed to democratic socialism, and was strongly critical of the USSR. It is self-evident that democratic socialism is hugely more widespread as a faith than communism in the present day, and has never implied totalitarianism - the Labour Party has traditionally been far more committed to freedom than the Conservatives here in the UK.<br /> <br /> ::::If there countries having a "socialist" system with less than totalitarian control, we can describe them also. I just thought it would be good to start by describing the Communist approach, since that is the model or ideal that most people look to when comparing [[capitalism and socialism]]. The Nazi variant permitted individual ownership, but [[von Mises]] says the results were similar because the state maintained price controls and so on. <br /> <br /> ::::We also need to distinguish between the economic aspects of socialism and the political aspects of "socialist" countries. For example, in Sweden people are allowed to emigrate, but in Cuba they are not. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 07:28, 3 April 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Would like to add a paragraph about my country (Norway) ==<br /> <br /> If its all the same to you I'd like to write about our system wich is currently socialist-democratic. Then again most of our parties are socialist to some degree. Any objections?<br /> <br /> Also, the article seems to have mixed up communism with socialism. I assure you, socialism in this day and age bears a much stronger resemblance to the US govermental system than the dictatorship that was soviet russia.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> LOL this again. [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 15:35, 23 May 2008 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Can you be more specific? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 15:42, 23 May 2008 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Also Add Ethiopia ==<br /> <br /> Someone needs to add Ethiopia to this article as Ethipia used to be socialist. Also, include the Ethio-Somalia War.<br /> <br /> ==Liberal propaganda about Chile==<br /> <br /> Removed from article:<br /> <br /> :In the first year of Allende's, the economic policy showed decidedly positive results, including a 12% industrial growth an 8.6% increase in GDP, as well as major declines in inflation (down from 34.9% to 22.1%) and unemployment (down to 3.8%). However, these gains were only temporary due to American intervention. American copper interests in Chile, which controlled 80% of Chile's copper production, reacted violently to Allende's nationalization. The United States set about placing an economic stranglehold on Chile designed to, in a famous quote by Richard Nixon, "make the (Chilean) economy scream". Classified documents have also revealed the extent of the United States' involvement in the 1973 coup d'etat that overthrew Allende, installing and supporting dictator [[Augusto Pinochet]] in power. Pinochet is known to have detained and tortured thousands of domestic dissidents by its secret police.[http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb8i.htm]<br /> <br /> This is a typical kind of one-sided argument. The point being made is that Chile was doing fine under Allende until the US helped Pinochet thwart his "reforms". Actually, Allende was trying to make Chile like Cuba, and Pinochet stopped Allende's attack on Chile's economic and political freedom. <br /> <br /> We need to cover all this in [[History of Chile]]. Perhaps, like Wikipedia, we should also create a [[1973 Chile coup]] article. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 09:20, 3 April 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> *Pinochet loyalists ... still revered him for implementing the macroeconomic reforms, which eventually raised the standards of living nationwide. <br /> *Pinochet lost power in a renewal of democratic elections. [http://nylatinojournal.com/home/eagles_in_fall,_lions_in_spring/analysis/a_divided_chile_contemplates_pinochet_s_passing.html]<br /> <br /> There's a [[Chile: Two Visions|book]] which covers the mess Allende made of the economy:<br /> :This book is a study of Chile's turbulent recent history. It covers Salvador Allende's socialist revolution and explains how it sank Chile into chaos, economic deprivation, political turmoil, and illegality. It covers Chileans' repudiation of the Allende government three years later and their call to the military to intervene after the August 1973 congressional censure of Allende failed to stop Allende or convince him to resign.<br /> :By winter 1973, Chileans were desperate, as famine loomed in Chile and disorder reigned in the streets. Allende's government had so destroyed the productive apparatus that on Sept. 6, 1973, President Allende announced: "We do not have the most minimal supply of flour, at most for three or four days." [http://www.policyofliberty.net/HPdA/RobertsAraujo.html]<br /> <br /> Even the ultra-Liberal [[NPR]] agrees that Allende was botching things up:<br /> *Allende was implementing socialist economic policies in Chile, with disastrous results. Gen. Pinochet finally agreed with other military officers that they had to stop Allende . . . [http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6606013]<br /> <br /> Liberals never fail to label Allende "democratically-elected", but he got less than a majority of the vote and:<br /> <br /> :the Chilean parliament denounced Allende for abrogating the Chilean constitution. [http://www.vdare.com/roberts/050607_guilty.htm]<br /> ::Remind me, who was it sent the tanks onto the streets and the planes into the air to overthow a democratically elected Government? Pinochet or Allende? And which major superpower supported that overthrow? [[User:BrianTS|BrianTS]] 10:12, 3 April 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::If you're not going to read the references or respond to what I actually wrote, then you should limit your comments to our [[debate pages]]. This page is for improving the article. Try [[Debate:When is revolution justified?]] or something like that. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 10:19, 3 April 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> So is it the argument that the ends justify the means? Does this mean a dictatorship that strips away freedoms is wonderful if it puts more money in pocket of the people? The argument could be used to support Nazism. "Say what you will about Hitler, but he shore fixed the horrible economy!" --DavidS 15:32, 9 April 2013 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Grammatical Edit and Rebuttal==<br /> I made a small grammatical edit and included a brief rebuttal of pro-socialist sentiments expressed in "Controversy" section. [[User:JeffC|JeffC]] 23:38, 30 April 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You thought the article was pro-socialist? Please don't revert the edits of Administrators, that is against our policy, JeffC. There were paragraphs removed, so it captured my attention. Please explain further. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]<sub><small><small>/Admin</small></small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 23:47, 30 April 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::I didn't remove any content. The 'controversy' section offers some brief pro-socialist nonsense that I thought could use a short rebuttal to support the overall message of the article. I apologize for reverting your edit. If you have time, please review the content I added and re-revert if appropriate. Thanks! [[User:JeffC|JeffC]] 23:57, 30 April 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Since the piece is mainly Richard's now, I have asked him look into this. Thanks for explaining, JeffC! --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]<sub><small><small>/Admin</small></small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 00:08, 1 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Need section on Socialistic Democracy ==<br /> Democratic socialism and socialistic democracy is not the same, you should also represent the economic system which is used in Scandenavia, you know, that region in Europa which wasn't so heavily beaten by the global financial crisis.--[[User:Nabroon|Nabroon]] 15:05, 14 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> :If there is a difference between the two systems, as you indicated, could you add a brief definition here, and then do a more detailed separate article on the subject? [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:01, 14 May 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == So close to communism? ==<br /> <br /> I fail to see why this article consistently equates socialism with communism when communism was simply an offshoot of socialist ideals.<br /> Is it really necessary to make them sound as though they are the same? They ''are'' different ideoligies. {{unsined|Guardian}}<br /> <br /> :Keep denying they are the same ideology, when in fact they are not opposing. The Union of Soviet '''Socialist''' Republics would promote what system?--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 12:07, 9 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::To be fair to the first post I have to admit he is right the Soviet Union was a communist system. Though it was based off socialism. The idea that it ineviatably leads to communism is slightly absurd considering countries like Canada and Portugal have socialist systems in place such as their healthcare and education systems. {{unsigned|Era3344}} --14:05, 10 June 2009<br /> <br /> :::You are making a false flag argument, and you know it. The Soviet Union sprang full-born as a Communist nation. All experience has shown, as is the case here in the U.S., and Canada where you purportedly live, once entitlements are foisted on the citizenry, the demand for them never slacks, and deceitful politicians soon realize offering them is key to being re-elected. It is a downward spiral that can lead nowhere other than a Communist or totalitarian state. Because once the pockets of the citizens are emptied, the state must somehow provide more and more, and that can only be sustained for so long, as we saw in the case of the Soviet Union, and more recently in China, which has been forced to allow quasi-capitalism to generate the huge sums of money needed for entitlements. That process with the Soviet Union took over 75 years until it collapsed. --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]<sub><small><small>/Admin</small></small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 18:31, 10 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::As offensive as I find your attack on my nationality I'll let it slide. You are once again leaving the socialist theory out of the equation and instead rushing into full blown communism. Your argument is fundamentally wrong on so many levels. In Canada the theory of collectivisation(not the Soviet model but simply a manner of spreading the wealth one of the many ideas in Socialism) in our NDP party is put forward as their election platform. They have never once won an election. Our Conservative party and Liberal party borrows from those ideals however, and they have each managed to win a fairly even number of elections based on some socialist propositions, which I must add are very usefull to my life. Your assumption that this loose set of ideals unfailingly leads to communism is not only factually wrong but a misrepresentation of the facts. {{unsigned|Era3344}}<br /> <br /> ''Attack on your nationality?'' Really? Where was that? Godspeed to you! --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]<sub><small><small>/Admin</small></small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 22:09, 10 June 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Sliding toward Socialism==<br /> As we see America increasingly moving toward secular socialism, i was surprised not to see a section addressing such here, or an internal link to the page that does. I would like to add a word and link to a possible recent development on that front, that of the ability to regulate even gardnens. http://wholefoodusa.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/feds-to-license-home-breadmaking-and-garden-sales/ Also, while it is good to distinguish between the form of what is often termed socialism in the Bible (which, while not being a which static form, was an effect and manifestation of liberated, secure souls surrendered to Christ) versus its secular counterpart (which is driven by insecurity), the cause of the latter kind of socialism might be addressed. Finally, under Leninism, the sentence, "Conservatives have been very hostile", which looks lie an interpolation, ought to be qualified. I might be considered a liberal in Red China.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 16:33, 4 August 2009 (EDT)[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 16:33, 4 August 2009 (EDT)<br /> *''...what is often termed socialism in the Bible...<br /> :Got my [[Concordance]] here, can't find the word "socialism" anywhere in Greek or Hebrew. Are you sure you are not quoting some commie rot from somewhere, rahter than the [[Bible]]? TY [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 16:54, 4 August 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Note my words, "what is often termed socialism". As the article manifests, socialism is not strictly defined, nor do we need a precise term in the Bible for concepts it describes, from a Theocracy to the Trinity, and the concept of "equal distribution of goods among the people" and related aspects the article notes, is seen in Acts 2:44-47; 4:32-37, though that was critically different from socialism in its classic manifestations. The article (which was not any of my work) also basically notes the reason why what we see in Acts could NOT take place under Communists, nor will it under our present (US) President, or any such. However, while the spirit of the surrender and benevolence seen in the primitive church is to be a constant, that form of it was not, as believers are evidenced to have their own houses, and goods, and to practice capitalism, out of which they voluntarily and sacrificially gave. (1Cor. 11:22; 10:6; 16:14,15,40; 17:5; 21:8; 1Tim. 6:17-19; Acts 18:3)<br /> <br /> ::The key was that they in giving, "first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God", (2 Cor 8:5) with their submission to leaders not being that of implicit trust in men, but to brethren who manifested they were bound by the Word of God, and required no more of others than what their sacrificial submission to Christ required, in accordance with sound doctrine by the Spirit of Christ. Lenin, etc. do no fit in such holy ranks, and i come too short myself.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 17:48, 4 August 2009 (EDT)<br /> :::What does "equal distribution of goods" have to do with [[mass murder]]? Oh, I see; after the [[national socialists]] exterminated people, they allowed the prisoners who burned the corpses to loot thier luggage and belongings. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 18:17, 4 August 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::You got it.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 19:14, 4 August 2009 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Main Image ==<br /> <br /> Im just wondering why this picture is on a page about socialism when the caption reads Leninism. If no one minds I would like to remove it in order to find a better image.<br /> ::I fixed it. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:17, 14 October 2009 (EDT)<br /> Thank you kindly.<br /> <br /> Could we perhaps use a different picture? This one seems to have no bearing on the article itself. Perhaps if we used the Red Flag as is common we could have a better base for people to understand the article. If we move the Main image down in the article it would have much more meaning. I'm going to try it out. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Matthew2208|Matthew2208]] 22:48, 8 December 2009 (EST)<br /> ::good move--looks better there. :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:15, 8 December 2009 (EST)<br /> ::: Thank you :) However I'm having trouble inserting the photo I want for the main image. Its being very uncooperative. I have it saved but it just won't convert to how I want it too. Any suggestions? --[[User:Matthew2208|Matthew2208]] 18:24, 9 December 2009 (EST)<br /> <br /> A new image would probably be best. Possibly Karl Marx or Lenin or even a picture of the book the Communist Manifesto.<br /> <br /> ==Weasel words==<br /> <br /> * but all of them are built on the premise that social control of the means of production ensures that a community's resources are used in a positive and uplifting manner. <br /> <br /> I don't know what "social control" and "community" mean in this context, but it sounds like an assertion that under socialism ordinary members of society would run the economy, rather than (A) big, wealthy, unapproachable self-centered capitalists or (B) big, powerful, unapproachable, corrupt politicians. However, the 2 next examples specify government control, not some small "community". There is a mention (but not an example) of small communities.<br /> <br /> Note that the Shakers succeeded, because they had a religious motive, while the leftist experiments failed. This might be significant. Perhaps there are limits on the size of a socialist community, or maybe socialism cannot succeed on a longterm basis without a religious reason for people to want to own all things in common. (My own opinion is that any unit larger than a family will have trouble; a [[family business]] is sustainable.) A monastery or convent can be self-supporting, but it requires new members from outside if all are sworn to celibacy. <br /> <br /> A lot of these weasel-word stuff seems designed to hide the fact that socialism is unsuccessful.<br /> <br /> Note: We need to see if Sweden is an exception, or if (like NZ and USA) socialist ideas are gradually ruining free economies. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 08:12, 5 February 2010 (EST)<br /> <br /> ==Promise and practice==<br /> <br /> We need to compare the socialist promise of an economy that run for the benefit of the vast majority of the people rather than for a small [[ruling class]] with the actual results of putting [[socialist]] ideas into practice, in various places. <br /> <br /> I don't think socialists will cooperate with this. They do not want to compare their theory to reality, because they would then have to admit their mistakes. Conservatives, at least in the USA, are willing to admit their mistakes, learn from them, and adjust their policies. <br /> <br /> Socialists have used tricky words, often with imprecise or shifting definitions, to conceal the contradictions between promise and practice. Let's expose this. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 09:06, 5 February 2010 (EST)<br /> <br /> == India is not in the list? ==<br /> <br /> Hey people! India is a socialist country. How can you ignore india?<br /> <br /> (The preamble of the Indian constitution defines India as a sovereign, socialist, secular, democratic republic.)<br /> <br /> == You seem confused - perhaps I have not understood you... ==<br /> <br /> It seems that the article maintains that Socialism is a bad thing - however the current economic conditions whereby the banks and big business (i.e. GM) is maintained by a nationalized system of state ownership. This means that the article maintains socialism is a bad thing only insofar as it does not benefit the 'meek' but only the wealthy and greedy. The previous Conservative Government even set in motion policies to protect inefficient companies such as General Motors on the principle that the markets were best served by the long-term initiatives of the state - wholly outside of the free market capitalist economics, which this site professes to support. <br /> <br /> Most of the Conservative right seems to advocate that Wall Street is negative however the whole body of the economic system is based on the speculative risk taking economic practice, which supposedly is wholly different and not dependent on the 'real economy’ that is symbiotic with it. In essence the article contradicts itself - on one hand advocating minimal government involvement and absolute faith in the free market whilst slamming down the 'socialist' economic practice it ultimately has to turn to at some level when this fails. The fallacy exists not in socialist dogma, but in the belief that capitalism works despite clear signs that it does not and repeatedly so in the past.<br /> <br /> We can simply look today that despite superpower status, the notable decline in US power next to China - a planned economy with limited market freedom, and this is being felt worldwide. The colossal national debts suggest that capitalism is anything but efficient and very far from a utopian ideal which much of the conservative line paints.<br /> <br /> I'm curious to know what your opinions are, or are it possible I have been mislead, or vice versa?--[[User:Sycamore|Sycamore]] 12:26, 1 September 2010 (EDT)<br /> :Socialism is a bad thing. When you have a political philosophy that strips away the human dignity; when you have conduct by others who say what you create belongs to the state and not yourself; when you have substandard medical care paid for by heavy taxation; when you have a majority of Americans being forced to pay for those who refuse to fend for themselves, that's socialism. And all that's needed is guns in their hands, and we have either communism or nazism, depending on the dictator that liberals these days seem to love. You have nothing, Sycamore, which can tell any of us that socialism is a good thing. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:07, 1 September 2010 (EDT)<br /> ::Some of the reply makes sense, but I'm still confused as you haven't said much on my comment - if I want to love my neighbor surely it is wrong to tell them to 'fend for themselves' - also if I pay high taxation, is it not better that this money tries to help vulnerable people as opposed to the state paying for those that 'fend for themselves' as we have today. I'm not trying to be difficult or to upset you, but you you seem to have two opinions which don't fit together:)--[[User:Sycamore|Sycamore]] 13:14, 1 September 2010 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I see a good debate starting here, but too much of it is S and K talking past each other. I want both of you to reply to each other's points before making any additional points of your own. "Seek first to understand, than to be understood" (see [[Stephen Covey]]). --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 18:01, 1 September 2010 (EDT)<br /> ::::Perhaps "S & K" could create a debate page and save the rest of us "S's" liberal ranting? --<big>[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]</big><sub>/Admin</sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 18:44, 1 September 2010 (EDT)<br /> :::::Come on, TK look on the bright side. We could throw a little party for the 1,000,000th time a lib has regaled us with the "glorious benefits" of socialism! [[User:KyleDD|KyleDD]] 18:53, 1 September 2010 (EDT)<br /> LOL! Somehow, Kyle, I doubt that many of the 100,000+ distinct users coming to CP daily care..... ;-) --<big>[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]</big><sub>/Admin</sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 19:04, 1 September 2010 (EDT)<br /> <br /> '''Socialism'''<br /> This article needs some serious work. First off anything to do with the NAZI party needs to be removed as it has nothing to do with Socialism. <br /> <br /> Key Points of socialism to consider:<br /> <br /> Removal of class systems. <br /> Removal of Private ownership, everything is owned by everyone.<br /> Removal of Government after a period of stability.<br /> <br /> Basically read the communist manifesto as that is what socialism is.<br /> <br /> == National Socialism has nothing to do with socialism ==<br /> <br /> National Socialism (like the German nazi party) has its roots in fascism, biological racism and antisemitism, not Socialism. It was in fact meant to oppose Socialism and Communism. Please remove every and all references to Hitler, Nazi's and National Socialism and provide actual facts.{{unsigned}}<br /> :Is this the old "national socialism has nothing to do with socialism" debate? Just what does [[Marlene Dietrich]] mean in the movie, ''Judgement at Nuremberg'', when she tells Spencer Tracy the story of the Nazi judge who insulted Hitler to his face by saying, "Chancellor, I do not object so much that you are so ill-mannered. [http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/j/judgment-at-nuremburg-script-transcript.html I object that you are such a bourgeois]"? (beginning at [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXh6uC_a0P0&feature=related about 5:01 in the youtube clip]) [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 19:22, 27 January 2012 (EST)<br /> <br /> == Socialism, Communism, Totalitarism, etc. ==<br /> <br /> I just reverted a blanking of this page. Then I started to read it - perhaps we are better of with a blanked page?<br /> <br /> ''"Because many businesses still are privately owned, ipso facto, the United States is not a socialistic government. ''" The same was true for Nazi Germany, so applying this logic, [[Hitler]]'s dictatorship wasn't socialistic: obviously the control of a [[Kriegswirtschaft]] wasn't to Misis's taste, but it is not untypical in such a situation....<br /> <br /> In fact it is questionable to lead the article with national-socialism as the main example - and a picture of Adolf Hitler. A reader should be informed about the typical aspects at first: and classifying Nazi Germany as socialistic is at best debatable. Yes, it is in the name - but was the [[German Democratic Republic]] a democracy?<br /> <br /> [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 12:53, 17 June 2012 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Please remove picture of Hitler==<br /> <br /> Adolf Hitler was not a socialist. This is just simply not true. Please remove the large picture of Hitler, it does not reflect socialism in any way.<br /> <br /> \==Yes please remove it==<br /> I agree that this picture should be replaced with someone else who is a truly representative icon within the socialist movement. While Hitler may indeed have been a socialist as his party's name suggests, unless i'm mistaken, aside from his party, no socialist considers him to be to be representative of their philosophy. So it would indeed seem at the very least inappropriate to use his picture to be representative of all socialism. From what i've read socialists are a diverse group that even has Christian, Jewish, Islamic sections. This picture, at best, makes us look like we're using Nazi Imagery to demonize a particular philosophy, at worst makes us look childish. I suggest we replace this picture with either a historical or contemporary icon for the good of the project. I would do it myself, but I'm a novice at wikia editing and I think the admins would never tolerate such a change. [[user:dsherman]]<br /> ::Adolf Hitler was the head of the National''' <big>Socialist</big>''' German Workers Party. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:45, 2 March 2013 (EST)<br /> :::Gonna need better evidence than that Conglomerate:Conservative. After all, North Korea calls itself the '''''Democratic''' People's '''Republic''''' ''of Korea'', which it is neither. East Germany was called the German Democratic Republic, again having neither a democratic nor republican form of government. --[[User:DonnyC|DonnyC]] 21:17, 2 March 2013 (EST)<br /> ::::Donny got in ahead of me but I'll put it forward anyway...... Cons; if you believe that the German Nationalist Socialist Workers Party was socialist, then you must also believe as August said above - that East Germany's "German '''Democratic''' Republic" was democratic; as are North Korea: a People's ''Democratic'' Republic and one of the Congos which at least leaves out the "People's" in its monicker. And you must believe that China's "'''People's''' Liberation Army" belongs to the people and so on. You can't have it both ways. I won't start on the use of the word, "Christian". [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 21:25, 2 March 2013 (EST)<br /> ::::::Germaine [[Ludwig von Mises Institute]] material was cited which fully supports the contention. There is no higher material for a conservative capitalist! If you doubt me, ask [[Michelle Bachmann]]! Michelle Bachmann brings von Mises to the beach! See: [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304259304576375491103635726.html I bring von Mises to the beach]. I hope that clarifies things. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:35, 2 March 2013 (EST)<br /> <br /> : But Cons. What do ''you'' think? I don't want you to answer me by quoting someone else - no doubt carefully picked - from your online fount of selective knowledge. I want to know what you believe from your own life's experience. If you have any. (In other words, young fella, you haven't answered the question.)[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 23:17, 2 March 2013 (EST)<br /> Socialists always often try to deny one of their biggest failures - Adolf Hitler. Setting aside leftist denialism, however, this tail is firmly pinned on the socialist donkey. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:00, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> :Why go through the hassle of presenting a valid case when you can make use of [[deceit|unsubstantiated]] [[claptrap|assertions]] instead? :) --[[User:DonnyC|DonnyC]] 00:39, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> ::Answer the question, Cons. Stop staying off subject. I'll copy and paste it back down for you... ''"Cons; if you believe that the German Nationalist Socialist Workers Party was socialist, then you must also believe as August said above - that East Germany's "German '''Democratic''' Republic" was democratic; as are North Korea: a People's ''Democratic'' Republic and one of the Congos which at least leaves out the "People's" in its monicker. And you must believe that China's "'''People's''' Liberation Army" belongs to the people and so on. You can't have it both ways."'' '''Why do you say Nazi "socialism" is true but deny the "democratic" others?''' [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 00:55, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> They not only said they were socialists, but the von Mises people confirm it with germaine evidence and argumentation.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:17, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> :Cons. Cons! You still don't .... never mind. It's like arguing with a kitten. They never stay on subject either. Look, I want to know whether you have a thought of you own; one that is not part of a website chosen because it agrees with an opinion you have gained from another website that....and so on. You know what I mean? And yes, Cons. I know what "germaine" means. Oh, and by the way - I am not a socialist.[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 02:42, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> I don't see much difference between communism/fascism in practice. And liberalism generally leads to one of these forms of government: socialism/fascism "lite"/fascism/crony capitalism/bankrupt governments/communism/etc. They all want big government. See: http://conservapedia.com/Similarities_between_Communism,_Nazism_and_liberalism Biblical Christianity leads to freedom and the benefits of freedom.[http://www.hulu.com/watch/442918] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:14, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> :Have you finished yet? I keep getting an edit conflict as you fiddle around with your edit.....<br /> :Cos! You're still at it. See this site, see that. Cons, I hate Fascism and I hate Communism. There may be the odd liberal that agrees with Communism but I have never met one and I bet I've played with, worked with, sung with, travelled with, met, drunk with, and generally interacted with more liberals than you've had cooked dinners. (And that's not counting the women.) I have, however, met the odd right wing wierdo that still considers Hitler the ant's pants. And believe me - they weren't liberals! [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 03:39, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> ::Good night, Cons. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 04:06, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> :::Liberalism is the road to economic ruin and the Eurozone crisis, European aging populations being overrun by ungovernable and rioting Muslim immigrants and Western governments buried in debt is proof of this. The liberal system is rickety and heading for significant trouble. It wouldn't surprise me if some wars were eventually ignited because of it. <br /> <br /> :::The financial reckoning of liberalism will soon come. List of world's biggest debtor nations: http://www.cnbc.com/id/30308959 You will probably see this within your lifetime. <br /> <br /> :::Hitler came to power as a result of spiritual, moral and financial bankruptcy. Liberalism appears to be heading farther and farther down that road. And the countries external debt to GDP ratios listed on that website is one piece of evidence that liberal governments have been heading in the wrong direction. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:49, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> <br /> Before getting into this debate, I'd just like to announce that DonnyC's incivility on this talk page has managed to incur him yet another block. Due to his past litany of offenses (see his block log) he's suspended for a month, and I would have given him a lifetime ban if it hadn't been for the fact that two of his ardent patrons are endowed with blocking rights and can therefore revert my decisions.<br /> <br /> Anyway... the conservative philosopher [[John Locke]] (whose writings had tremendous influence on the founding fathers) saw the rights to liberty and property as flowing from a man's right to his life; therefore attacks on one's property and liberty are attacks on life as well. To quote from his ''[http://www.constitution.org/jl/2ndtr03.htm Second Treatise of Civil Government]'': <br /> <br /> "it being reasonable and just, I should have a right to destroy that which threatens me with destruction: for, by the fundamental law of nature, man being to be preserved as much as possible, when all cannot be preserved, the safety of the innocent is to be preferred: and one may destroy a man who makes war upon him, or has discovered an enmity to his being [...] And hence it is, that he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power, does thereby put himself into a state of war with him; it being to be understood as a declaration of a design upon his life: for I have reason to conclude, that he who would get me into his power without my consent, would use me as he pleased when he had got me there, and destroy me too when he had a fancy to it [...] This makes it lawful for a man to kill a thief, who has not in the least hurt him, nor declared any design upon his life, any farther than, by the use of force, so to get him in his power, as to take away his money, or what he pleases, from him; because using force, where he has no right, to get me into his power, let his pretence be what it will, I have no reason to suppose, that he, who would take away my liberty, would not, when he had me in his power, take away every thing else." [it should be noted though that the Locke didn't believe that citizens of states have the right to judge and punish thieves by themselves. Only people living in the state of nature have that right. For more about that concept read the [http://www.constitution.org/jl/2ndtr02.htm first chapter] of his ''Second Treatise''.]<br /> <br /> So the bolshevik unjustified taking of private property was an attack on life just the same as the Holocaust. The Nazis were socialists just like the bolsheviks, Idi Amin and Pharaoh Ramses. Nobody who lives under a dictatorship can really be said to have private property. Sure, in some dictatorship there are businessmen and industrialists and entrepenuers, but they do not really own the property the use to make a living, as the government can take it away from them at any given moment.<br /> <br /> Furthermore, just like the bolsheviks plundered the private property of their sucjects, so did the Nazis plundered the property of many of their victims. See: [http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%202277.pdf] [http://www.archives.gov/research/holocaust/records-and-research/documenting-nazi-plunder-of-european-art.html] - [[User:Markman|Markman]] 07:39, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> <br /> :"So the bolshevik unjustified taking of private property was an attack on life just the same as the Holocaust." Apart from being a non sequitur, that is a bizarre trivialization of the Holocaust. You can't compare unjustified taking of private property with the organized killing of six million Jews. [[User:Onestone|Onestone]] 14:00, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::What non sequitur are you talking about? I already explained how attack on property is the same as an attack on life. - [[User:Markman|Markman]] 14:04, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> <br /> :::You didn't ''explain'' anything, you merely ''quoted'' John Locke. And I repeat: losing one's property doesn't compare to being killed by the Nazi killing machinery. It amazes me that I should have to point that out. [[User:Onestone|Onestone]] 14:22, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::::The quote from Locke explained why attacks on property are attack on life, but if you want me to paraphrase... When one man tries to take from another his liberty, he is essentially committing an attack against the other man's life, as after his liberty is gone he won't be able to defend his right to life. Likewise, the deprivation of one's property is an act of coercion, and therefore also an attack on liberty, making it an attack on life as well. - [[User:Markman|Markman]] 16:20, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> <br /> We are a long way from the issue that started this section. I tend to agree in general with Conservative that the distinctions between socialism and fascism are mainly illusory. They have differing appeals and they make out like they are enemies and fundamentally opposed to each other, but I think that at root they result in the same sort of society. Their intellectual underpinnings (if one is to be charitable) is the fundamental distinction. Fascism marketed itself as counter-revolutionary, a throwback to the past, whereas Socialism considered itself to be revolutionary, and as a means to overthrow the past injustices. <br /> Still, even if we agree that there are similarities between socialism and fascism, I have not read a coherent argument as to why a photo of Hitler should be so prominent in this article. Perhaps we should go back to discussing that issue rather than the philosophical implications. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 16:57, 3 March 2013 (EST)<br /> <br /> Wow seems I've reignited this debate. I never said he wasn't part of some sort of German Socialist party. But I don't believe for an instant the only reason Hitler's picture was up there was cause there needed to be the photo of a Socialist Leader. It's the equivalent to putting up a photo of Ted Haggard to represent Christian Leadership or Eric Rudolph to represent the Pro-Life movement. [[dsherman]]<br /> <br /> ==Fascism==<br /> For now, I'm stripping out the over usage of the term [[fascism]] until the [[Far right]] page, and possibly a few others get cleaned up. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 15:31, 18 November 2018 (EST)<br /> <br /> == Christian socialism ==<br /> <br /> Americans have a tendency to confuse communism and socialism and to ignore the significant influence of [[Christian socialism|Christianity]] on socialism in Britain, former British colonies, and Europe. In fact socialism appears to be a synonym for communism for many Americans. Perhaps this is explained by the fact that, unlike Britain, there was a real fear of revolution in America following the [[Russian Revolution|Russian Revolutions of 1917]]. There has been some discussion of this above, but the crude distortion remains. --[[User:Timber2|Timber2]] ([[User talk:Timber2|talk]]) 18:30, 16 May 2020 (EDT)<br /> :Interesting; would you support the statement, "all factual, documented history, being true, is part of the Word of God"? [https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Dataclarifier#Factual.2C_documented_Church_history.2C_like_all_other_factual.2C_documented_history.2C_being_true.2C_is_part_of_the_Word_of_God.] Can this be interpreted to say that ''[[Das Kapital]]'' is a fifth gospel? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup><br /> <br /> ::A weird question. Possibly Marx, though ethnically Jewish, because he was educated in Germany was influenced by the Bible – I know little about him, having never read his biography, or ''Das Kapital''. Christian socialism is based on the New Testament, the word of Christ, though it may have been influenced by Marx's criticism of the immoral excesses of some capitalists: those who worship [[Mammon]]. --[[User:Timber2|Timber2]] ([[User talk:Timber2|talk]]) 19:25, 16 May 2020 (EDT)<br /> :::Generally speaking, the claim so-called Christian socialism is based on the Book of Acts, "''they held all things in common"'' (the root word of communism). Christ did not speak these words, neither was it God-ordained, and soon failed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 19:39, 16 May 2020 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Communism would never have arisen but for those capitalists who worshipped Mammon. Capitalism is an essential, even God-given, creative and imaginative energy. Many capitalists have greatly enriched the world, the [https://www.bloomberg.org Bloomberg Philanthropies] and the [https://www.getty.edu/foundation/ Getty Foundation] come to mind. Sadly there are others who pervert their divine gift, and who, sadly, suffer a neurotic obsession with accumulating personal wealth. Christ preached love and sharing with others (not communism), and there are some amongst the wealthy that follow his example. We do share all things in common. Humility is another basic tenet of Christianity. Immoral, wealth obsessed individuals, however, believe that any sharing – and caring – is a sign of weakness. You still seem to be unable to separate socialism, especially Christian socialism, from communism. But I appreciate that it's hard changing a habit of a lifetime. [[User:Timber2|Timber2]] ([[User talk:Timber2|talk]]) 20:24, 16 May 2020 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::The reference in an earlier discussion above, to "The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" further reveals your confusion. There use of socialist in USSR suggests that the Soviet also didn't differentiate between these two words, like many Americans. That isn't the case in the rest of the English speaking world, and I presume also many European countries. --[[User:Timber2|Timber2]] ([[User talk:Timber2|talk]]) 20:55, 16 May 2020 (EDT)<br /> :::::::Communism and Socialism does not criticism Mammon; it advocates the transfer of Mammon worship and Mammon's power to a clique of unelected technocrats and bureaucrats. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 21:05, 16 May 2020 (EDT)<br /> RobSmith, this is ☭Comrade GC☭ at an atheist website. <br /> <br /> He is merely posting this material in order to get a rise out of me after he deleted my material several times and another administrator at the website blocked me after the website imposed arbitrary and authoritarian rules. I am referring to [[Essay: Why RationalWiki is dying|THIS WEBSITE]].<br /> <br /> Of course, it isn't working. Why would anyone feel threatened by someone who resorts to deleting material after they prove themselves incapable of debate? <br /> <br /> RobSmith, ask him why the Soviet Union collapsed.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:17, 16 May 2020 (EDT)<br /> :It's a debate raging for years, whether there is some altruistic motive behind Marxism and hairsplitting over the degree to which atheistic and murderous ideologies can be criticized. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 11:22, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::[[User talk:RobSmith|RobSmith]], obviously you remain convinced that there is no difference between socialism and communism. While the USSR's communists failed, socialism most certainly hasn't. Millions of people throughout the world, who were not born into wealth, can attest to that fact. All political parties in Canada, Britain, and numerous other countries have had to modify their ideologies because of the success of socialist ideas, even the Republican Party. Recently, I was heartened to learn of Robert M. La Follette Sr., a Republican senator for Wisconsin (1906 to 1925), who supported child labour laws, social security, women’s suffrage, and other progressive reforms. He even ran for President in 1924 as a Progressive. But maybe it's Christianity that has been the influence on such Republicans rather than socialism? <br /> <br /> ::So it looks like the article will remain seriously flawed for now? I note, however, Conservapedia's strange enthusiasm (overall) for former communist [[Vladimir Putin]]. Actually though a communist, interestingly, he apparently was baptised.<br /> <br /> :::[[User talk:Conservative|Conservative]], I fail to understand your comments. Are you suggesting that I am another person, with whom you've had a major conflict with elsewhere: "He is merely posting this material in order to get a rise out of me after he deleted my material several times"? Please clarify. I'd forgotten that the site mentioned even existed. --[[User:Timber2|Timber2]] ([[User talk:Timber2|talk]]) 12:05, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br /> ::The difference between socialism and communism, ''per'' Marx's own writings, socialism is the phase of communism in a politically pluralist society prior to socialist gaining ascendency and outlawing political opposition. Ideologically, there is no difference. They are two sides of the same coin. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 13:16, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::As I've already noted you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Are you a historian or political scientist? --[[User:Timber2|Timber2]] ([[User talk:Timber2|talk]]) 16:29, 17 May 2020 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::See [[Labour party]] for a more balanced article on socialism in Britain.<br /> <br /> I don't think it's helpful to conflate socialism and Marxism (or liberalism, for that matter), particularly in the British case. British socialism was forged from non-conformist protestant Christianity not in the 1800s, when the reform movement led to the co-operative and Labour movements, not in 1700s, when radicals looked to France and the US for new ways of thinking, but in the 1600s in the same crucible that gave is the Pilgrim Fathers. 1649 saw "The World Turned Upside Down" and many saw a chance to turn Britain into a Christian state, starting with land and property reform to bring us closer to the prelapsarian ideal.<br /> <br /> Ironically, this may be the root of the huge difference - and gulf in understanding - between British and US conservatism. It's no coincidence that, until the 1970s and 80s, it was the British left that looked to the US as an example. Conservatives tended to look within or to Europe. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 19:03, 18 May 2020 (EDT)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Brexit:_a_Crisis_for_British_Conservatism&diff=1528138 Essay:Brexit: a Crisis for British Conservatism 2019-05-30T13:53:46Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>Events of the last two years, including the two elections this year, suggest that Brexit is the biggest crisis for the British Conservative (Tory) Party, and British conservatism in general, in 160 years. In this essay, I will examine what brought us to this crisis, the nature of the crisis and what is likely to happen next. It is analytical, not descriptive or narrative - there's plenty of detail and data elsewhere. It is based on over thirty years of closely following British politics, including my own time as a researcher for the Conservative Party, and conversations with senior researchers and analysts of the EU, senior Conservatives and senior UKIP activists. <br /> <br /> On June 23, 2016, the British public voted by 51.9% to 48.1% to leave the EU, much to the shock of David Cameron, the British Prime Minister, and the political classes in general. Cameron had called the referendum because he was struggling to keep the Tory Party together. Since the 1980s, a significant number of MPs and activists had been uncomfortable with our membership of the EU and were pushing against the leadership. Margaret Thatcher and John Major were able to keep a lid on things but, since the landslide against the Tories in 1997, it was becoming open civil war within the party. To complicate matters, Cameron was firmly on the liberal wing of the Tory Party and saw its future as a centrist party. Because UKIP were snapping at his party's heels on the right, Cameron intended the referendum as a vote of confidence in his vision, giving him a mandate to marginalise the conservative wing of the party.<br /> <br /> Why he lost is not straightforward. Yes, people voted leave because they resented being in the EU and people voted leave because they rejected Cameron's plans. But people also voted leave because the Remain campaign smugly assumed many voters were stupid and did not need positive reasons to vote remain. They voted leave - particularly in the regions - because, ironically, they were deeply unhappy with Tory austerity policies. They voted leave because they were promised a lot of things by the Leave campaign - including an implied end to austerity, an extra £350 million a week for the National Health Service, strict immigration controls and easy trade deals. It is significant that neither side was strong on detail and nobody defined at the time what leave means. <br /> <br /> In short, although we voted to leave, there was not a strong qualitative or quantitative mandate.<br /> <br /> The day after the referendum, David Cameron stood down and Theresa May became Prime Minister shortly after. Boris Johnson had his eye on the prize but he was treated with suspicion before being brought down by Michael Gove, one of his closest allies. Significantly, Nigel Farage also stepped down as leader of UKIP. And that's when it started to get serious. <br /> <br /> Neither the Remain or Leave campaigns had fully understood what leaving the EU would entail and the British government soon realised they were in trouble - they could not deliver what the Leave campaign had promised. May, with her party 21% ahead in the polls, decided to call a general election to strengthen her hand. Her priority was to keep the Conservative Party from falling apart, with delivering Brexit second, and - like Cameron - she gambled and lost. Instead of a substantial Parliamentary majority, she was forced into partnership with the Democratic Unionist Party and found herself with a more fractured party than ever.<br /> <br /> Parliament, which is the sovereign authority under the UK constitution, insisted on full consultation and a vote on any final agreement with the EU. This strengthened the hand of her opponents in her party, both conservatives - like the European Research Group - and remainers. It was clearly in favour of leaving the EU but legally blocked a hard, WTO rules based, Brexit. Theresa May was forced into the humiliation of having to ask the EU for more time to put her house in order.<br /> <br /> This situation, largely misreported in both the lamestream media and alternative media, went down very badly in the country at large. In the recent local elections, the strongly pro-Europe Liberal Democrat party gave an unexpectedly strong performance at the cost of the Tory and Labour parties. In the EU elections, the Liberal Democrats, Greens and Nigel Farage's Brexit parties repeated the humiliation.<br /> <br /> Theresa May's failure to deliver caused deep discomfort among MPs and activists, and frustrated the 1922 Committee, the most influential group in the party. Party rules meant she could not be openly challenged for the leadership so she was left alone with the political equivalent of a loaded gun.<br /> <br /> Unfortunately, the talent pool in today's Tory party is shallow. There is a mixed bag of candidates for he seat, the most visible of which is Boris Johnson. The party still sees him as untrustworthy, particularly given his ambiguous track record on the EU. The party has a history of electing compromise candidates in times of crisis so there is an odds-on chance that Boris will not be chosen.<br /> <br /> Whoever does win has until the end of October to get the support of Parliament for their version of Brexit - and that's where the crisis lies.<br /> <br /> Let's go back to the EU election. The Brexit Party won a clear majority of EU parliamentary seats for three reasons - it had a charismatic leader in Nigel Farage, it was the only real party with an unambiguous Leave message, and UKIP had already done the ground work for them in the previous election. Most of the seats the Brexit Party won were already held by UKIP, which had imploded once Farage left. However, the Remain parties got more votes between them. What's more, there is no clear right-left division in the country as a whole. The increasingly socialist Labour party, which has a strong Leave tendency at its core, has got the message and is leaning towards a second referendum and/or rejecting Brexit.<br /> <br /> So which way does the new Tory leader go? Remember, nobody defined what Leave means. The conservative wing of the Tory party wants a hard, "no deal" Brexit but the liberal faction would rather bring the government down than agree with that. The country as a whole is still split but the tendency is to Remain. If the new leader pushes for "no deal", they could be forced into a general election by the end of the year and risk losing to a socialist party more in tune with the mood of the nation - and at least another decade of crippling infighting. If the new leader marginalises the conservatives and goes for a softer Brexit, they risk an internal rupture and losses to the Brexit Party - and at least another decade of crippling infighting. If, as some senior conservatives believe Boris Johnson would do and be comfortable with, the new leader takes a third gamble and gives the nation another referendum in the hope of getting a mandate for either course, they risk losing again and keeping Britain in the EU - and at least another decade of crippling infighting. Lose-lose-lose for the British Conservative Party. Even if the new leader has the vision and the spine to deliver a conservative Brexit, and keeps the party from breaking apart, the country will realise how empty some of the Leave campaign promises were and punish the Tories eventually. Lose-lose-lose today or lose tomorrow.<br /> <br /> So where does that leave independent British conservatives? Unfortunately, the Tory Party is the only right wing show in town. The Brexit Party, like UKIP before it, is the Nigel Farage show with not much of a party machine to build on its success. Remember, Nigel Farage's UKIP won the EU elections in 2014 - and got only one MP in 2015 and none in 2017. More worryingly, it doesn't have any policies yet. This was also a serious problem with UKIP, which focused so much on the EU that its manifesto in 2015 and 2017 could be generously described as shallow.<br /> <br /> UKIP itself has imploded, limping along after three years of infighting and haemorrhaging support. If it was weak on policy before, it is moribund now.<br /> <br /> For Britain, an offshoot of UKIP, was described by Nigel Farage as "racist". Let's just say it has a cult following and no real presence.<br /> <br /> Tommy Robinson, the EDL and their like are extremely marginalised. Tommy Robison managed only 2.2% of the vote despite some intense campaigning. Even if we ignore the connection with soccer hooliganism, they have no significant policies.<br /> <br /> So do we stick to our principles, lobby our MPs and party connections to push for "no deal" and risk a socialist government with a Marxist Prime Minister? Do we compromise our principles and allow the party to slide towards a soft Brexit, risking becoming a client state of the EU? Do we walk away from the party - and the problem - and start a long-term project to build a fighting conservative alternative through one of the smaller parties?<br /> <br /> Whatever we choose, this is when we need to be clear, to decide, and start acting.</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Essay:Brexit:_a_Crisis_for_British_Conservatism&diff=1528137 Talk:Essay:Brexit: a Crisis for British Conservatism 2019-05-30T13:52:33Z

<p>Rafael: Created page with "Help! I don't know how to add tags and the like! Feel free to add them and, of course, add your own dissenting opinions. ~~~~"</p> <hr /> <div>Help! I don't know how to add tags and the like! Feel free to add them and, of course, add your own dissenting opinions. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 09:52, 30 May 2019 (EDT)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Brexit:_a_Crisis_for_British_Conservatism&diff=1528136 Essay:Brexit: a Crisis for British Conservatism 2019-05-30T13:50:21Z

<p>Rafael: New article</p> <hr /> <div>Events of the last two years, including the two elections this year, suggest that Brexit is the biggest crisis for the British Conservative (Tory) Party, and British conservatism in general, in 160 years. In this essay, I will examine what brought us to this crisis, the nature of the crisis and what is likely to happen next. It is analytical, not descriptive or narrative - there's plenty of detail and data elsewhere. It is based on over thirty years of closely following British politics, including my own time as a researcher for the Conservative Party, and conversations with senior researchers and analysts of the EU, senior Conservatives and senior UKIP activists. <br /> <br /> On June 23, 2016, the British public voted by 51.9% to 48.1% to leave the EU, much to the shock of David Cameron, the British Prime Minister, and the political classes in general. Cameron had called the referendum because he was struggling to keep the Tory Party together. Since the 1980s, a significant number of MPs and activists had been uncomfortable with our membership of the EU and were pushing against the leadership. Margaret Thatcher and John Major were able to keep a lid on things but, since the landslide against the Tories in 1997, it was becoming open civil war within the party. To complicate matters, Cameron was firmly on the liberal wing of the Tory Party and saw its future as a centrist party. Because UKIP were snapping at his party's heels on the right, Cameron intended the referendum as a vote of confidence in his vision, giving him a mandate to marginalise the conservative wing of the party.<br /> <br /> Why he lost is not straightforward. Yes, people voted leave because they resented being in the EU and people voted leave because they rejected Cameron's plans. But people also voted leave because the Remain campaign smugly assumed many voters were stupid and did not need positive reasons to vote remain. They voted leave - particularly in the regions - because, ironically, they were deeply unhappy with Tory austerity policies. They voted leave because they were promised a lot of things by the Leave campaign - including an implied end to austerity, an extra £350 million a week for the National Health Service, strict immigration controls and easy trade deals. It is significant that neither side was strong on detail and nobody defined at the time what leave means. <br /> <br /> In short, although we voted to leave, there was not a strong qualitative or quantitative mandate.<br /> <br /> The day after the referendum, David Cameron stood down and Theresa May became Prime Minister shortly after. Boris Johnson had his eye on the prize but he was treated with suspicion before being brought down by Michael Gove, one of his closest allies. Significantly, Nigel Farage also stepped down as leader of UKIP. And that's when it started to get serious. <br /> <br /> Neither the Remain or Leave campaigns had fully understood what leaving the EU would entail and the British government soon realised they were in trouble - they could not deliver what the Leave campaign had promised. May, with her party 21% ahead in the polls, decided to call a general election to strengthen her hand. Her priority was to keep the Conservative Party from falling apart, with delivering Brexit second, and - like Cameron - she gambled and lost. Instead of a substantial Parliamentary majority, she was forced into partnership with the Democratic Unionist Party and found herself with a more fractured party than ever.<br /> <br /> Parliament, which is the sovereign authority under the UK constitution, insisted on full consultation and a vote on any final agreement with the EU. This strengthened the hand of her opponents in her party, both conservatives - like the European Research Group - and remainers. It was clearly in favour of leaving the EU but legally blocked a hard, WTO rules based, Brexit. Theresa May was forced into the humiliation of having to ask the EU for more time to put her house in order.<br /> <br /> This situation, largely misreported in both the lamestream media and alternative media, went down very badly in the country at large. In the recent local elections, the strongly pro-Europe Liberal Democrat party gave an unexpectedly strong performance at the cost of the Tory and Labour parties. In the EU elections, the Liberal Democrats, Greens and Nigel Farage's Brexit parties repeated the humiliation.<br /> <br /> Theresa May's failure to deliver caused deep discomfort among MPs and activists, and frustrated the 1922 Committee, the most influential group in the party. Party rules meant she could not be openly challenged for the leadership so she was left alone with the political equivalent of a loaded gun.<br /> <br /> Unfortunately, the talent pool in today's Tory party is shallow. There is a mixed bag of candidates for he seat, the most visible of which is Boris Johnson. The party still sees him as untrustworthy, particularly given his ambiguous track record on the EU. The party has a history of electing compromise candidates in times of crisis so there is an odds-on chance that Boris will not be chosen.<br /> <br /> Whoever does win has until the end of October to get the support of Parliament for their version of Brexit - and that's where the crisis lies.<br /> <br /> Let's go back to the EU election. The Brexit Party won a clear majority of EU parliamentary seats for three reasons - it had a charismatic leader in Nigel Farage, it was the only real party with an unambiguous Leave message, and UKIP had already done the ground work for them in the previous election. Most of the seats the Brexit Party won were already held by UKIP, which had imploded once Farage left. However, the Remain parties got more votes between them. What's more, there is no clear right-left division in the country as a whole. The increasingly socialist Labour party, which has a strong Leave tendency at its core, has got the message and is leaning towards a second referendum and/or rejecting Brexit.<br /> <br /> So which way does the new Tory leader go? Remember, nobody defined what Leave means. The conservative wing of the Tory party wants a hard, "no deal" Brexit but the liberal faction would rather bring the government down than agree with that. The country as a whole is still split but the tendency is to Remain. If the new leader pushes for "no deal", they could be forced into a general election by the end of the year and risk losing to a socialist party more in tune with the mood of the nation - and at least another decade of crippling infighting. If the new leader marginalises the conservatives and goes for a softer Brexit, they risk an internal rupture and losses to the Brexit Party - and at least another decade of crippling infighting. If, as some senior conservatives believe Boris Johnson would do and be comfortable with, the new leader takes a third gamble and gives the nation another referendum in the hope of getting a mandate for either course, they risk losing again and keeping Britain in the EU - and at least another decade of crippling infighting. Lose-lose-lose for the British Conservative Party. Even if the new leader has the vision and the spine to deliver a conservative Brexit, and keeps the party from breaking apart, the country will realise how empty some of the Leave campaign promises were and punish the Tories eventually. Lose-lose-lose today or lose tomorrow.<br /> <br /> So where does that leave independent British conservatives? Unfortunately, the Tory Party is the only right wing show in town. The Brexit Party, like UKIP before it, is the Nigel Farage show with not much of a party machine to build on its success. Remember, Nigel Farage's UKIP won the EU elections in 2014 - and got only one MP in 2015 and none in 2017. More worryingly, it doesn't have any policies yet. This was also a serious problem with UKIP, which focused so much on the EU that its manifesto in 2015 and 2017 could be generously described as shallow.<br /> <br /> UKIP itself has imploded, limping along after three years of infighting and haemorrhaging support. If it was weak on policy before, it is moribund now.<br /> <br /> For Britain, an offshoot of UKIP, was described by Nigel Farage as "racist". Let's just say it has a cult following and no real presence.<br /> <br /> Tommy Robinson, the EDL and their like are extremely marginalised. Tommy Robison managed only 2.2% of the vote despite some intense campaigning. Even if we ignore the connection with soccer hooliganism, they have no significant policies.<br /> <br /> So do we stick to our principles, lobby our MPs and party connections to push for "no deal" and risk a socialist government with a Marxist Prime Minister? Do we compromise our principles and allow the party to slide towards a soft Brexit, risking becoming a client state of the EU? Do we walk away from the party and start a long-term project to build a fighting conservative alternative through one of the smaller parties?<br /> <br /> Whatever we choose, this is when we need to be clear, to decide, and start acting.</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Operation_Infektion&diff=1517775 Operation Infektion 2019-04-20T19:44:18Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>'''Operation Infektion''' was a soviet-era disinformation campaign run in the 1980s to use credible looking doctors to spread false information that [[HIV/AIDS]] was formulated at a lab in Fort Detrick.<br /> <br /> Theories about the lab-origin of HIV were first promoted by Jakob Segal, who was later outted as a [[Soviet]] [[KGB]] agent. Additionally, these theories have been promoted by Alan Cantwell, Robert Strecker, [[Milton William Cooper]], Leonard Horowitz, [[Louis Farrakhan]], [[Frank Zappa]] and [[Infowars]].com<ref>[https://www.infowars.com/brexit-the-hidden-agenda/ ANTI-TRUMP NEOCONS PUSH OUTDATED COLD WAR FEARS]</ref><br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> {{reflist|1}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Conspiracy Theory]]<br /> [[Category:Deceit]]<br /> [[Category:Soviet Union]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=RMS_Titanic&diff=1517239 RMS Titanic 2019-04-18T23:33:07Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Ship <br /> | name=R.M.S. ''Titanic''<br /> | image=Rms2.jpg<br /> | flag=Government Ensign of the United Kingdom.svg<br /> | flag-caption=Merchant Navy (UK - RNR)<br /> | port=[[Liverpool]], [[England]]<br /> | owner=White Star Line<br /> | built=Harland & Wolff Shipyard<br/>[[Belfast]], [[Northern Ireland]]<br /> | authorized=July 31, 1908<br /> | keellaid=March 22, 1909<br /> | launched=May 31, 1911<br /> | retired=<br /> | status=Sunk after iceberg collision<br>April 15, 1912<br /> | type=Ocean liner<br/>''Olympic''-class<br /> | displ=66,000 (max)<br /> | length=882.75&nbsp;ft.<br /> | beam=92.5&nbsp;ft.<br /> | draft=34&nbsp;ft. 7 in.<br /> | speed=cruising:21 knots <br>max:23.75 knots<br /> | test=<br /> | armament=<br /> | crew=891<br /> | pass=1,317 (maiden voyage)<br>First-class: 324<br>Second-class: 285<br>Third-class: 708<br /> |}<br /> }}'''[[R.M.S.]] ''Titanic''''' was a luxury passenger liner which sank after striking an iceberg on the night of April 14, 1912, while on its maiden voyage from [[Southampton]], [[England]], to [[New York City]], resulting in the deaths of 1,517 passengers and crew. This disaster has been the subject of films, plays, literature, and scientific scrutiny.<br /> <br /> The tragedy produced inspiring examples of self-sacrifice, [[chivalry]], and [[faith]]. The men on board, including several of the wealthiest in the world, intentionally gave up their lives for others. The band played on in a triumph of mind over matter.<ref>https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/last-song/</ref> The tragedy was [[prophet|prophesied]] by a novel published 15 years earlier, ''The Wreck of the Titan''. A preacher, who gave his life, continued to convert others to [[Christianity]] as he swam in the frigid water.<ref>http://www.bpnews.net/37601</ref><br /> <br /> ==Description==<br /> ''Titanic'' was built to sail the highly-competitive North [[Atlantic Ocean|Atlantic]] route by White Star Line. Its chief competitor was Cunard, whose vessels recently garnered attention for their speed and luxury. Designed and built by the Belfast firm Harland and Wolff, ''Titanic'' was at the time of her launch and outfitting the largest ship afloat: its gross tonnage was 46,329 tons, and displaced 66,000 tons fully-laden; it was 882.5 feet long and 92.5 feet across the beam. For safety it was built with a double-bottom hull, which was further divided into sixteen watertight compartments, which would not affect the ship's stability if four were flooded.<br /> <br /> ==Flag==<br /> [[British]] merchant vessels normally fly the Red Ensign. However, as the captain and at least 12 crew were members of the Royal Naval Reserve (RNR), a special warrant was issued to fly the Blue Ensign.<ref>http://www.nava.org/Flag%20Information/articles/Titantic/titanic.htm</ref> RMS means "Royal Mail Ship", which means it was licenced to carry mail for the British Post Office.<br /> <br /> ==Maiden voyage==<br /> ''Titanic'' left Southampton on April 10, 1912, picking up additional passengers at Cherbourg, France, and Queenstown (now Cobh), Ireland, before heading out into the Atlantic.<br /> <br /> ==The sinking==<br /> <br /> A later investigation showed that the ship had failed to follow all safety procedures. Besides traveling through dangerous waters at high speed (after receiving repeated warnings concerning the presence of icebergs), the Titanic also had aboard an insufficient number of lifeboats for the passengers and crew.<ref>[http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/today/today.html]</ref><br /> <br /> On April 14, the Titanic's wireless operators received seven iceberg warnings, but the ship continued sailing through the North Atlantic at 23 knots. Conditions were clear and the water was calm, which should have helped the lookouts spot an iceberg well in advance.<ref>http://www.historyonthenet.com/Titanic/titanic_timeline.htm</ref><br /> <br /> At 11:40&nbsp;p.m., while sailing 400 miles off the coast of [[Newfoundland]], lookout Frederick Fleet spotted a large iceberg directly ahead of the ship, and alerted the bridge, calling "Iceberg, right ahead!" First Officer William McMaster Murdoch ordered the engines stopped and reversed, and ordered the tiller hard to starboard. The large ship could not slow down and turn quickly enough and its starboard side hit the iceberg, resulting in a long scrape below the waterline.<ref>http://www.cincymuseum.org/information_center/press_room/titanic/sinking_timeline.asp</ref><br /> <br /> The collision ruptured six watertight compartments on the starboard side, resulting in flooding of the bow, eventually flooding each watertight compartment. Water levels in the bow reached as high as 14 feet just 10 minutes after the impact with the iceberg.<ref>http://www.historyonthenet.com/Titanic/titanic_timeline.htm</ref><br /> <br /> At midnight, Captain Smith was informed that the ship was so badly damaged that it would stay afloat for just two more hours. Smith ordered radio distress signals sent and for deckhands to begin loading lifeboats. Wireless operator Harold Bide began sending the standard CQD distress call, before switching to the newer SOS. Contrary to popular myth, ''Titanic'' was not the first ship in history to send the SOS distress signal.<ref>http://www.snopes.com/history/titanic/sos.asp</ref><br /> <br /> The crew quickly began loading lifeboats, but at far less than capacity. The first lifeboat was launched with just 26 people on board, despite having room for 65. By the time the last lifeboat left the ship, 1500 people remained on board.<br /> <br /> As the lifeboats disembarked, the bow continued filling with water and the stern of the ship was slowly lifted out of the water. Witnesses in lifeboats recalled seeing the stern lift to almost a 45-degree angle above the water before snapping in two between the third and fourth funnels and sinking at 2:20 am on April 15. The 706 survivors were rescued by the Cunard liner ''Carpathia'', which was more than 50 miles away when it first heard the distress calls; she arrived some eighty minutes after the Titanic went down.<br /> <br /> ==Passengers==<br /> Several of the wealthiest and most prominent persons in the world were passengers on the Titanic for its prestigious maiden voyage. To their credit, they voluntarily went down with the ship and died rather than take a spot on a lifeboat from others. Men allowed women and children to go first in filling the lifeboats, and the men in second class sacrificed their lives in greater percentage of all.<ref>http://www.anesi.com/titanic.htm</ref><br /> <br /> Third-class passengers accounted for the bulk of the dead. Due to the size of the ship, many steerage passengers were unable to reach the deck to board lifeboats. There were also reports that crew members actively prevented steerage passengers from reaching the deck. Accordingly, death rates clearly differ between class. Every child traveling in first class survived the sinking, while only 34 percent of third-class children did. Two percent of first-class females drowned, while over half of third-class women did not survive.<ref>http://www.anesi.com/titanic.htm</ref><br /> <br /> A full passenger list is available that highlights who survived and who did not.<ref>http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whoweare/exhibits/titanic/p2.htm</ref><br /> <br /> Prominent Americans who went down with the ship included Mr. Benjamin Guggenheim, of the family that donated the Guggenheim Museum of Modern Art in New York City, Major Archibald Butt, a military aide to [[President Taft]], and Colonel J. J. Astor, whose great grandfather was the wealthiest American prior to the [[Civil War]]. Colonel J. J. Astor was an inventor and science fiction writer who helped build three great hotels in New York City: the Astoria (now the Waldorf-Astoria), the Knickerbocker, and the St. Regis.<ref>[https://www.britannica.com/titanic/astor.html Astor]</ref><br /> <br /> ==Inquiries==<br /> Inquiries conducted in both Great Britain and the [[United States]] determined a number of factors which contributed to the loss of the ship and passengers.<br /> <br /> The watertight compartments were designed without capping at the top; water filling the six ruptured compartments pulled the bow of the ship down far enough that water spilled over the top of the next compartment in line. ''Titanic'' also had 16 standard lifeboats and 4 collapsibles, with enough combined space to carry 1,178 passengers, far short of the 2,224 persons aboard; many of the lifeboats were lowered down the side only partially filled with passengers (many of those remaining on board initially believed the ship to be "unsinkable"). Although the number of lifeboats was determined to be inadequate,<ref>http://www.titanicinquiry.org/BOTInq/BOTReport/BOTRepRec.php#a2</ref> the Titanic had in actuality exceeded the British Board of Trade's lifeboat regulations, which had been written down for much smaller ships.<br /> [[Image:Titanic.jpg|right]]<br /> <br /> Inquiries also revealed a fatal design flaw in the ship's vaunted watertight compartments. The compartments were essentially cubical, so required watertight seals on all six sides in order to remain watertight. However, the compartments were open at the top, which meant that as one compartment flooded, it would spill over into the next, filling that up, and so on, much as one might fill an ice cube tray. The ship was also designed to be able to stay afloat with any five compartments flooded. The iceberg ruptured the first six compartments, essentially dooming the ship.<ref>http://www.titanic-titanic.com/titanic_watertight_compartments.shtml</ref><br /> <br /> Both inquiries also determined that part of the blame for the high loss of passengers rested with Captain Stanley Lord of the liner ''Californian'', which was stopped for the night by an ice field some twenty miles from ''Titanic''. The board members alleged that ''Californian'' could have aided ''Titanic'' had its radio operator been on duty after 11:00 pm, and able to hear its distress signals. Indeed, it was determined that officers on the bridge of the ''Californian'' had seen distress lights from what they considered to be a "large passenger steamer," keeping under observation until the lights vanished after 2:00 am, but doing nothing further than that.<ref>http://www.titanicinquiry.org/BOTInq/BOTReport/BOTRepCalifornian.php</ref><br /> <br /> Another theory involved a pre-existing coal fire which erupted aboard ''Titanic''; the Titanic's speed was due to its attempts to use the fiery coal before it ran out; the routing through the icebergs was due to concern that the coal would run out before reaching port (leaving Titanic stranded at sea, a potentially embarrassing event for its maiden voyage). The coal fire, though, purportedly weakened the structure, causing the ship to split open (whereas, had there been no coal fire, it may not have sunk).<br /> <br /> Of the passengers who went into the water, only six were pulled out alive, and only by efforts of surviving officers in several boats going through a sea of bodies. Hypothermia killed the remainder, as the water was about 29 degrees Fahrenheit. Many of those who perished came from wealthy, prominent families in [[Europe]] and [[America]], among them the heirs to the Straus fortune and the owners of Macy's department store in New York City. The disaster also had its heroes, such as the ship's band assembled on the stern in order to keep remaining passengers calm; and the "Unsinkable" Molly Brown, who forcibly took the tiller away from a rowboat crewman and forced everyone in her lifeboat to go back for people in the water.<ref>http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic_victims/</ref><ref>http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/manifest.php?q=5</ref><br /> <br /> As a result of the loss of ''Titanic'', in 1913 the first International Convention for Safety of Life at Sea was opened in London, England. Among the rules drawn up were requirements that each voyage hold lifeboat drills; that every ship have lifeboat space for each person on board; and ships maintain a 24-hour radio watch. The International Ice Patrol was also created to keep watch on North Atlantic sea lanes and give ships adequate warnings of icebergs found. The United States Congress also passed the Wireless Ship Act in 1912; it stipulated that all vessels carrying more than 50 people and traveling more than two hundred miles off the coast carry a wireless capable of at least a 100-mile range.<br /> <br /> ==''Titanic'' found==<br /> [[Image:5462536r.jpg|right|thumb|Titanic's bow as seen from the Russian MIR I submersible.]]<br /> The wreck was found on September 1, 1985 at 41°46′ N 50°14′ W, under 13,000 feet of water, by an American/French team led by Dr. [[Robert Ballard]] of Woods Hole Institute and Jean-Louis Michel of Ifremer. Remote submersibles photographed the wreckage, which was in two pieces lying upright, confirming some witness accounts of the ship breaking in two at the surface. Further explorations by Ballard and Ifremer could not find evidence of a long gash caused by the iceberg and cited on the original reports; instead it was postulated that a series of rivet popping combined with separation of seams and brittle fracturing in the hull plating allowed the water to rush in.<br /> <br /> ==In Popular Culture==<br /> Books and novels have been written about the ''Titanic'' ever since its infamous sinking. The most well-known of these novels is ''A Night to Remember''. In 1997, director James Cameron produced the highest-grossing film in history, ''[[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]]''. However, this film is inaccurate in several areas. For one thing, it depicted the men on board as cowardly. In real life, most of them willingly stood aside while the women and children got into the lifeboats. In the film, they had to be held back at gunpoint, and two were killed. It also showed an officer shooting himself in the head. It also depicts Captain Edward Smith dying in the wheel room. This also is inaccurate, because several survivor accounts actually mention him swimming in the water, encouraging those clinging to a nearby capsized lifeboat before drowning.<br /> <br /> The Titanic sinking was also eerily foreshadowed in an 1898 novel by Morgan Robertson, entitled ''The Wreck of the Titan.'' In the novel, a large, luxurious and "unsinkable" ocean liner called the ''Titan'' strikes an iceberg in the North Atlantic. The ship is carrying too few lifeboats, so many passengers drown or freeze in the ocean.<ref>http://www.titanic-titanic.com/wreck_of_the_titan_1.shtml</ref> The book is noted for its many similarities to the Titanic, including the name, the maiden voyage in April, the iceberg collision, the nautical position of the sinking (400 miles off the coast of Newfoundland) and the lack of lifeboats.<br /> <br /> == Titanic sisters ==<br /> [[Image:WSL logo.gif|right|Logo]]<br /> * RMS Olympic <br /> * HMHS Britannic <br /> <br /> Olympic and Titanic were virtually identical. For Britannic many changes to the design were made, because of the sinking of Titanic.<br /> <br /> The three "Olympic- class" ocean liners were made on Belfast Ship Yards in [[Belfast]], Northern [[Ireland]] for The White Star Line.<br /> <br /> RMS Olympic was the only ship of this line of vessels which had not sunk and which was eventually dismantled in 1935.<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> <br /> <References/><br /> <br /> ==Further reading==<br /> *Ballard, Robert D. ''The Discovery of the Titanic'' Warner Books, New York, (1995)<br /> *Butler, Daniel Allen. ''Unsinkable: The Full Story of RMS Titanic'', Stackpole Books, Mechanicsburg, PA (1998).<br /> *Collins, L. M. ''The Sinking of the Titanic: The Mystery Solved'' Souvenir Press, London (2003)<br /> *Gardener, R & van der Vat, D ''The Riddle of the Titanic'' Orion, London (1995)<br /> *Kentley, Eric. ''Discover the Titanic'', DK Inc, New York (1997)<br /> *Lord, Walter. ''A Night to Remember'', Bantam, New York (1997). <br /> *Lynch, Donald and Marschall, Ken. ''Titanic: An Illustrated History'', Hyperion, New York (1995)<br /> *Marcus, Geoffrey. ''The Maiden Voyage'', Buccaneer Books, New York (1991)<br /> *Pellegrino, Charles R. ''Her Name, Titanic'' Avon, New York (1990)<br /> *Wade, Wyn Craig. ''The Titanic: End of a Dream.'' Penguin Books, New York (1986)<br /> *Wels, Susan. ''Titanic: Legacy of the World's Greatest Ocean Liner'', Time-Life, New York (1997)<br /> <br /> == External links==<br /> <br /> *[http://www.titanicinquiry.org/USInq/USReport/AmInqRep03.php United States inquiry]<br /> *[http://www.titanicinquiry.org/BOTInq/BOT01.php Great Britain inquiry]<br /> *[http://www.titanichistoricalsociety.org Titanic Historical Society]<br /> *[http://www.paullee.com/titanic/index.html Titanic essays and links]<br /> *[http://titanic.deep-ice.com/ Titanic Archive] <br /> *[http://www.titanic-titanic.com/ Titanic-Titanic.com] <br /> *[http://www.titanic-online.com/ RMS Titanic, Inc] The official ''Titanic'' archive.<br /> *[http://www.atlanticliners.com/titanic_home.htm ''Titanic Home'' at Atlantic Liners.]<br /> *[http://news.titanic.org.uk/ Titanic News Headlines]<br /> *[http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/ Encyclopedia Titanica]<br /> <br /> ==Video links==<br /> *[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrDhpzigug Only existing film of ''Titanic'' before sinking]<br /> *[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUNfjnbGdYI&feature=related Film taken onboard RMS ''Olympic'', showing ''Titanic's'' captain E.J. Smith]<br /> *[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEYqxTRQS-4&feature=related Film of SS ''Mackay Bennett arriving in Halifax harbor bearing bodies recovered from ''Titanic'' disaster]<br /> *[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQw5RglP5KA&feature=related ''Carpathia'' arriving in New York with survivors]<br /> *[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjgp7-H-45A&NR=1 ''Titanic'' survivors, 1950's]<br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Titanic, RMS}}<br /> [[Category:Ships]]<br /> [[Category:Man-Made Disasters]]<br /> [[Category:Ship Sinkings]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Most_influential_phrases&diff=1517238 Talk:Most influential phrases 2019-04-18T23:31:12Z

<p>Rafael: Created page with "I've added five quotes of my own but don't feel qualified to rank them together with the others. Perhaps wiser heads can help! ~~~~"</p> <hr /> <div>I've added five quotes of my own but don't feel qualified to rank them together with the others. Perhaps wiser heads can help! [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 19:31, 18 April 2019 (EDT)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Most_influential_phrases&diff=1517237 Most influential phrases 2019-04-18T23:30:07Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>Here is a ranking of the most influential phrases in history:<br /> <br /> #"All men are created equal" - [[Thomas Jefferson]], ''[[Declaration of Independence]]''<br /> #"I think, therefore I am" - [[Descartes]]<br /> #"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." [[George Orwell]], ''[[Animal Farm]]''.<br /> #"These are the times that try men’s souls." [[Thomas Paine]], ''The American Crisis‎'' (1776) <br /> #"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - [[Ronald Reagan]], speech at the [[Berlin]] Wall<br /> <br /> (please expand)<br /> <br /> #"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" - [[Genesis]] 1:1<br /> #"Thou shalt have no other gods before me."- [[Exodus]] 20:3<br /> #"upon this rock I will build my church" -[[Matthew]] 16:18<br /> #"Here I stand, I can do no other so help me God" - [[Martin Luther]]<br /> #"And yet it moves" - [[Galileo Galilei]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:History]]<br /> [[Category:Quotes]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:European_migrant_crisis&diff=1311588 Talk:European migrant crisis 2017-02-24T17:42:29Z

<p>Rafael: /* Nigel Farage's arguable success */</p> <hr /> <div>{{copied from|user=[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]]}}<br /> :Just [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=European_migrant_crisis&diff=1307070&oldid=1304437 this] and [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=European_migrant_crisis&diff=1307072&oldid=1307070 this]. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 00:03, 12 February 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> In this format, perhaps a bit about the migrant status in each country, and then a section on the dominant party that's been formed in reaction to immigration. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 02:00, 29 December 2016 (EST)<br /> <br /> ==Calais border fence==<br /> What can be said about the Calais border fence? Was it funded primarily by the UK? And if so, should it go in the UK section or France section? Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 01:11, 11 January 2017 (EST)<br /> :Not sure about who's funding it, but it should probably go in the UK section (while clearly explaining it is geographically in France) because this border fence (if I have it correct) is securing the UK's border, not France's. Better yet, we could put it in both. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 09:43, 11 January 2017 (EST)<br /> ::[https://youtu.be/382njADcWvE Have you seen this clip?] The action begins at about 4:00 and at about 8:00 he shows the camp with 18,000 migrants and the border fence, mentioning the UK built it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 10:54, 11 January 2017 (EST)<br /> :::I saw the video, and boy am I glad I don't live in France (and also that I don't live near the truck driver with his language). I found some sources saying Britain financed the wall:[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/britain-build-13ft-wall-calais-jungle-block-refugee-migrant-entering-uk-a7229386.html][http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37294187] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:48, 12 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> ==Christian fundamentalists and Moderaterna==<br /> The sub-section on Moderaterna in the Sweden section mentions "Christian fundamentalists" and "right-wing conservatives." Are these terms really accurate? The vast majority of those who call themselves Christians in Sweden are [[Theological liberalism|theologically liberal]] rather than bible-based fundamentalists. Additionally, I disagree with the term "right-wing conservatives", as the "traditional" "conservative" parties in Sweden (and most of Europe) are not conservative or right-wing at all. Most of them do not try to advance any conservative or Christian point of view, particularly on social issues. The National Review article cited also calls Moderaterna "center right"[http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427465/], which assures me that this party is not really conservative. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:48, 12 January 2017 (EST)<br /> :Yes, you're right. There are problems drawing parallels in Swedish politics to others outside Sweden, and moreso to US conceptions. As to religious groups, Swedish Lutherans are pretty mainstream, but charismatic groups, often called fundamentalist, which are prevelent in Sweden, have long been described as "conservative" pretty much elsewhere and I was under the impression my sources were speaking primarily of them (and perhaps some Lutheran groups) as conservative.<br /> :But please feel free to improve it how you see fit. Also, the Swedish section marks a departure from the rest of the structure, as Moderaturna surely isn't a group a populists movement is looking to support. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 02:51, 13 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> == Hungarian border fence ==<br /> <br /> We should definitely mention Hungary's successful border fence that was constructed in 2015 and successfully ended the illegal immigration surge.[http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09/19/successful-hungarian-border-fence-boosts-support-right-wing-government/][http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/29/hold-hungarian-border-fence-so-effective-illegal-immigrants-are-now-at-pre-migrant-crisis-levels/] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 21:31, 15 January 2017 (EST)<br /> :Yes definitely. Not sure if it ended the surge, but did cutoff the Balkan Route. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 22:20, 15 January 2017 (EST)<br /> ::The second linked article shows that illegal immigration levels dropped to pre-crisis levels because of the fence. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:27, 15 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> == Article suggestion ==<br /> <br /> I recommend creating another article about the border fences around the world, such as the Hungarian and Israeli ones, that have massively reduced immigration and increased safety and security. These fences really have worked. We could begin after finishing this article. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 15:28, 16 January 2017 (EST)<br /> :Good idea. We could even start simultaneously, then go back and fill in historical stuff like the Berlin Wall, Hadrians Wall, Great Wall of China, while laying the groundwork for the upcoming Congressional debate. Any ideas for a title? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 01:39, 17 January 2017 (EST)<br /> ::We could give it a simple title like "Border fence", or we could do something like "Border fence effectiveness." Of course, some of the examples will be walls. We could use the term "barrier" like Wikipedia does and make redirects for the wall and fence titles. I don't know which title will give the most page views, though. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:45, 17 January 2017 (EST)<br /> :::::[[Border fence]] encompasses everything we mean to say. I'd suggest we emphasize sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, sometimes their meant to keep peole out, sometimes to keep people in. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 22:58, 17 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> ==An aside==<br /> 3 years ago I saw the Swedish film ''[https://youtu.be/RHMy6abqq04 Melancholia]'' which was disturbing, confusing, and at the same time '''not''' ''avant garde'' junk. After reading and seeing the [[fatalism]] which has gripped Sweden the past two years, it now makes sense. The natural disaster of the collision of earth with an asteroid and inevitable doomsday is an allegory for non-intervention to stop [[global warming]]. Here's the [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=koOQGxD4YLQ Swedes awaiting the final destruction of the planet]. The reality of 2016 and the future is, the Swedish model of liberalism is dead dead dead. And dead by hopelessness and self destruction. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 22:24, 21 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ==A case of false news?==<br /> Pictures of Clinton with the Burmese fighter for democracy Ang San Suu Kyi, including the one on this article, were taken in Rangoon (Yangon) Myanmnar at the beginning of December 2011. they were '''Not''' taken in Tripoli that October as stated beneath CP's photo.<br /> <br /> :(Here's one for a conspiracy theorist like you Rob - why can I find one or other of them on various and assorted news outlets, not all of which are mad leftists, but they have been removed from the US State Dep't website.)<br /> :[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 23:25, 26 January 2017 (EST)<br /> ::Know what? Your right. [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/189611.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiQppnKz-HRAhUhr1QKHbvrDfAQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNEffi-rsgBy2UO7k_BPxYk5vsx_QQ&sig2=I8Kd5PYZzRkmZMZw95xaOg It comes from here, pg 17 (in the Chapter entitled, ''DS Protects Lives''.)] I misread the caption and format. And yes, that is Ambassador [[Christopher Stevens]] just below Hillary's photo, along with the text about how great a job State Department Security is doing protecting Sec. Clinton & Amb. Stevens. Scroll back to page 15 and see how "couragrously" the State Department under Sec. Clinton defended an attack on the Embassey in Kabul. The whole document, all 44 pages, is nothing but State Department Security patting itself on the back for the great job its doing protecting the lives of State Department personal - typical of the BS & crap the Obama administration & Hillary churned out about themselves for 8 years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 01:05, 27 January 2017 (EST)<br /> {{Quotebox|One of the most complex security challenges presented to the Secretary’s Detail was her equally historic and ground-breaking trip to Libya in October, after the fall of the Qadhafi regime. The transitional operating environment in Tripoli was turbulent and unpredictable. DS advance team agents engaged in delicate negotiations with local militia, and quickly coordinated a diverse security team of quick-reaction forces, a tactical operations center, casualty evacuation planners, and DoD assets pre-positioned off the coast of Tripoli. Her DS protective detail then safely escorted the Secretary and her party into the country, where she was able to raise the level of U.S. government contact with that nation’s fledgling freedom initiative. <br /> <br /> DS also protected the U.S. Special Representative to the Libyan Transitional National Council, John [[Christopher Stevens]], during the height of the crisis. <br /> That mission required DS special agents to operate for five months in rebel-held [[Benghazi]], in the midst of the civil war, evolving from a small mission of limited duration into an extensive mission focused on critical political reporting and humanitarian assistance.}}<br /> No wonder they took it off their servers, it is sickening to read today. Just like Obama & Biden awarding themselves presidential medels. This is their legacy. Now the truth can be spoken - and it ain't [[hate speech]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 10:54, 27 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> ==Desecularization==<br /> Just what exactly is this term supposed to mean? That people are leaving atheism and adopting the First Pillar of Islam, and wearing the hijab to avoid rape? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 13:52, 27 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> == Nigel Farage's arguable success ==<br /> <br /> Let's have some perspective. Nigel Farage has stood in Parliamentary elections eight times and lost every time. His party has only one MP. He did not influence David Cameron's decision to hold a referendum on EU membership; it was part of Cameron's clumsy attempt to liberalise the Conservative Party and force the Eurosceptics out into UKIP, where they would have no leverage. He was not part of the official leave campaign prior to the referendum because Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, two conservatives, saw him as a loose cannon, more of a liability than an asset. When the referendum result came in, when serious polticians rolled up their sleeves to prepare for the tough work ahead, Farage ducked out.<br /> <br /> Yes, he has a high profile but, outside of the media and the tabloids in particular, he has very little influence, as shown by his misguided attempt to work as an intermediary between the British and US governments.<br /> <br /> There are plenty of real, committed, successful conservatives working hard to ensure Britain thrives outside the EU. Farage is not one of them. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 16:30, 23 February 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> :1) Farage has not won his own seat in Parliament, but he has received a larger percentage in each election. He received about 32% of the vote in 2015, up from 17% in 2010, which was itself a large increase from the previous election. His party may only have 1 seat in Commons, but it received about 13% of the vote in 2015 and is the third largest party by popular vote. Also, it is the largest U.K. party in the European parliament (a historic breakthrough), and has one of the largest numbers of seats in the body of any country.<br /> <br /> :2) As you kind of stated, Cameron had the Brexit referendum because of UKIP. He saw the huge increases by UKIP and wanted to save his party. Farage had been calling for a referendum before Cameron agreed to do it. Would Cameron have supported holding a referendum if his party were not in such a weak position?<br /> <br /> :3) If Farage "ducked out" from the process of leaving the EU, how could he have helped if the establishment shuns him anyway?<br /> <br /> :4) I hope the Conservative Party is conservative, but I haven't heard many good things about the party. Only some elected officials of the Conservative Party support Brexit. Most MPs either opposed Brexit or were soft on EU issues. And this is just the EU. I haven't heard good things about the party ''as a whole'' lately.<br /> <br /> :Farage may not have much official political power, but I still think its safe to say that he is the most notable -- and possibly even influential in a sense -- eurosceptic in Britain. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 18:05, 23 February 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> Let's address these points one by one and add an update at the end.<br /> <br /> 1. Yes, his party's share of the vote is creeping up but mainly in European and local safe seat elections where people can safely lodge a protest vote. In important elections, its share of the vote tumbles. Power is the ability to do something useful and, with one MP, the party has no power.<br /> <br /> 2. You have the wrong end of the stick. The Conservative Party has been fighting itself over the EU since the 80s, before UKIP was even formed. Cameron saw UKIP as a dumping ground, not a threat. He saw it as a place where even the most talented and influential Tory eurosceptic would go and be forgotten.<br /> <br /> 3. In a democracy, there are ways of getting involved even if the mythical "Establishment" won't let you. There are pressure groups, lobbying groups, think tanks, grass roots organisations, NGOs, advisory panels etc etc. Farage has, instead, chosen a new career as a talk show host.<br /> <br /> 4. I agree with your general assessment of the Conservative Party. Theresa May, the new PM, is an opportunist, as are many of her government. However, as with the Trump administration, what's the alternative? What's more, the party is now committed to Brexit. I've recently had some correspondence with a recent pro-remain MP and he has impressed me with his respect for the referendum outcome and the way he is prepared to work towards Brexit.<br /> <br /> Update: Paul Nutall, the new party leader, lost an election against a nobody from the badly broken Labour Party. Business as usual for UKIP.<br /> <br /> Is Farage notable? Yes. But so is Kim Kardashian.<br /> <br /> Is he influential? In a media sense, I suppose. He makes lot of noise and stimulates discussion. However, that noise does not translate to action. Other people do that. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 12:42, 24 February 2017 (EST)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:European_migrant_crisis&diff=1311375 Talk:European migrant crisis 2017-02-23T21:30:03Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>{{copied from|user=[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]]}}<br /> :Just [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=European_migrant_crisis&diff=1307070&oldid=1304437 this] and [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=European_migrant_crisis&diff=1307072&oldid=1307070 this]. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 00:03, 12 February 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> In this format, perhaps a bit about the migrant status in each country, and then a section on the dominant party that's been formed in reaction to immigration. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 02:00, 29 December 2016 (EST)<br /> <br /> ==Calais border fence==<br /> What can be said about the Calais border fence? Was it funded primarily by the UK? And if so, should it go in the UK section or France section? Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']]</sup> 01:11, 11 January 2017 (EST)<br /> :Not sure about who's funding it, but it should probably go in the UK section (while clearly explaining it is geographically in France) because this border fence (if I have it correct) is securing the UK's border, not France's. Better yet, we could put it in both. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 09:43, 11 January 2017 (EST)<br /> ::[https://youtu.be/382njADcWvE Have you seen this clip?] The action begins at about 4:00 and at about 8:00 he shows the camp with 18,000 migrants and the border fence, mentioning the UK built it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 10:54, 11 January 2017 (EST)<br /> :::I saw the video, and boy am I glad I don't live in France (and also that I don't live near the truck driver with his language). I found some sources saying Britain financed the wall:[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/britain-build-13ft-wall-calais-jungle-block-refugee-migrant-entering-uk-a7229386.html][http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37294187] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:48, 12 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> ==Christian fundamentalists and Moderaterna==<br /> The sub-section on Moderaterna in the Sweden section mentions "Christian fundamentalists" and "right-wing conservatives." Are these terms really accurate? The vast majority of those who call themselves Christians in Sweden are [[Theological liberalism|theologically liberal]] rather than bible-based fundamentalists. Additionally, I disagree with the term "right-wing conservatives", as the "traditional" "conservative" parties in Sweden (and most of Europe) are not conservative or right-wing at all. Most of them do not try to advance any conservative or Christian point of view, particularly on social issues. The National Review article cited also calls Moderaterna "center right"[http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427465/], which assures me that this party is not really conservative. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:48, 12 January 2017 (EST)<br /> :Yes, you're right. There are problems drawing parallels in Swedish politics to others outside Sweden, and moreso to US conceptions. As to religious groups, Swedish Lutherans are pretty mainstream, but charismatic groups, often called fundamentalist, which are prevelent in Sweden, have long been described as "conservative" pretty much elsewhere and I was under the impression my sources were speaking primarily of them (and perhaps some Lutheran groups) as conservative.<br /> :But please feel free to improve it how you see fit. Also, the Swedish section marks a departure from the rest of the structure, as Moderaturna surely isn't a group a populists movement is looking to support. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 02:51, 13 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> == Hungarian border fence ==<br /> <br /> We should definitely mention Hungary's successful border fence that was constructed in 2015 and successfully ended the illegal immigration surge.[http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09/19/successful-hungarian-border-fence-boosts-support-right-wing-government/][http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/29/hold-hungarian-border-fence-so-effective-illegal-immigrants-are-now-at-pre-migrant-crisis-levels/] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 21:31, 15 January 2017 (EST)<br /> :Yes definitely. Not sure if it ended the surge, but did cutoff the Balkan Route. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 22:20, 15 January 2017 (EST)<br /> ::The second linked article shows that illegal immigration levels dropped to pre-crisis levels because of the fence. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:27, 15 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> == Article suggestion ==<br /> <br /> I recommend creating another article about the border fences around the world, such as the Hungarian and Israeli ones, that have massively reduced immigration and increased safety and security. These fences really have worked. We could begin after finishing this article. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 15:28, 16 January 2017 (EST)<br /> :Good idea. We could even start simultaneously, then go back and fill in historical stuff like the Berlin Wall, Hadrians Wall, Great Wall of China, while laying the groundwork for the upcoming Congressional debate. Any ideas for a title? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 01:39, 17 January 2017 (EST)<br /> ::We could give it a simple title like "Border fence", or we could do something like "Border fence effectiveness." Of course, some of the examples will be walls. We could use the term "barrier" like Wikipedia does and make redirects for the wall and fence titles. I don't know which title will give the most page views, though. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:45, 17 January 2017 (EST)<br /> :::::[[Border fence]] encompasses everything we mean to say. I'd suggest we emphasize sometimes they work, sometimes they don't, sometimes their meant to keep peole out, sometimes to keep people in. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 22:58, 17 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> ==An aside==<br /> 3 years ago I saw the Swedish film ''[https://youtu.be/RHMy6abqq04 Melancholia]'' which was disturbing, confusing, and at the same time '''not''' ''avant garde'' junk. After reading and seeing the [[fatalism]] which has gripped Sweden the past two years, it now makes sense. The natural disaster of the collision of earth with an asteroid and inevitable doomsday is an allegory for non-intervention to stop [[global warming]]. Here's the [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=koOQGxD4YLQ Swedes awaiting the final destruction of the planet]. The reality of 2016 and the future is, the Swedish model of liberalism is dead dead dead. And dead by hopelessness and self destruction. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 22:24, 21 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ==A case of false news?==<br /> Pictures of Clinton with the Burmese fighter for democracy Ang San Suu Kyi, including the one on this article, were taken in Rangoon (Yangon) Myanmnar at the beginning of December 2011. they were '''Not''' taken in Tripoli that October as stated beneath CP's photo.<br /> <br /> :(Here's one for a conspiracy theorist like you Rob - why can I find one or other of them on various and assorted news outlets, not all of which are mad leftists, but they have been removed from the US State Dep't website.)<br /> :[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 23:25, 26 January 2017 (EST)<br /> ::Know what? Your right. [https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/189611.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiQppnKz-HRAhUhr1QKHbvrDfAQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNEffi-rsgBy2UO7k_BPxYk5vsx_QQ&sig2=I8Kd5PYZzRkmZMZw95xaOg It comes from here, pg 17 (in the Chapter entitled, ''DS Protects Lives''.)] I misread the caption and format. And yes, that is Ambassador [[Christopher Stevens]] just below Hillary's photo, along with the text about how great a job State Department Security is doing protecting Sec. Clinton & Amb. Stevens. Scroll back to page 15 and see how "couragrously" the State Department under Sec. Clinton defended an attack on the Embassey in Kabul. The whole document, all 44 pages, is nothing but State Department Security patting itself on the back for the great job its doing protecting the lives of State Department personal - typical of the BS & crap the Obama administration & Hillary churned out about themselves for 8 years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 01:05, 27 January 2017 (EST)<br /> {{Quotebox|One of the most complex security challenges presented to the Secretary’s Detail was her equally historic and ground-breaking trip to Libya in October, after the fall of the Qadhafi regime. The transitional operating environment in Tripoli was turbulent and unpredictable. DS advance team agents engaged in delicate negotiations with local militia, and quickly coordinated a diverse security team of quick-reaction forces, a tactical operations center, casualty evacuation planners, and DoD assets pre-positioned off the coast of Tripoli. Her DS protective detail then safely escorted the Secretary and her party into the country, where she was able to raise the level of U.S. government contact with that nation’s fledgling freedom initiative. <br /> <br /> DS also protected the U.S. Special Representative to the Libyan Transitional National Council, John [[Christopher Stevens]], during the height of the crisis. <br /> That mission required DS special agents to operate for five months in rebel-held [[Benghazi]], in the midst of the civil war, evolving from a small mission of limited duration into an extensive mission focused on critical political reporting and humanitarian assistance.}}<br /> No wonder they took it off their servers, it is sickening to read today. Just like Obama & Biden awarding themselves presidential medels. This is their legacy. Now the truth can be spoken - and it ain't [[hate speech]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 10:54, 27 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> ==Desecularization==<br /> Just what exactly is this term supposed to mean? That people are leaving atheism and adopting the First Pillar of Islam, and wearing the hijab to avoid rape? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]]</sup> 13:52, 27 January 2017 (EST)<br /> <br /> == Nigel Farage's arguable success ==<br /> <br /> Let's have some perspective. Nigel Farage has stood in Parliamentary elections eight times and lost every time. His party has only one MP. He did not influence David Cameron's decision to hold a referendum on EU membership; it was part of Cameron's clumsy attempt to liberalise the Conservative Party and force the Eurosceptics out into UKIP, where they would have no leverage. He was not part of the official leave campaign prior to the referendum because Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, two conservatives, saw him as a loose cannon, more of a liability than an asset. When the referendum result came in, when serious polticians rolled up their sleeves to prepare for the tough work ahead, Farage ducked out.<br /> <br /> Yes, he has a high profile but, outside of the media and the tabloids in particular, he has very little influence, as shown by his misguided attempt to work as an intermediary between the British and US governments.<br /> <br /> There are plenty of real, committed, successful conservatives working hard to ensure Britain thrives outside the EU. Farage is not one of them. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] ([[User talk:Rafael|talk]]) 16:30, 23 February 2017 (EST)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Labour_Party_(UK)&diff=1151649 Labour Party (UK) 2015-05-08T17:03:19Z

<p>Rafael: /* Victory in 1945 */</p> <hr /> <div>The '''Labour Party''' is a [[United Kingdom|British]] [[Social Democratic]]<ref>http://www.labour.org.uk/labour_policies</ref> political party. The party still pays lip service to many typical [[left-wing]] values and, along with all the main political parties in the UK, is [[Pro-choice]], pro-gay rights and pro-[[gun control]]. Typically the Labour Party is in favour of greater investment in public services via higher taxation relative to its main political rivals.<br /> <br /> The Labour Party was founded in 1900, and currently forms the [[Leader of the Opposition|Her Majesty's Opposition]], being the largest party in the UK not in currently in government. The current leader of the Labour Party is [[Ed Miliband]], who was elected by Labour party members on September 25th 2010, after a crushing defeat four months earlier in the UK's [[general election]]. It is a observer member of the [[Socialist International]]. [[Image:Labour logo.jpg|right|thumb|170px|The Labour Party's logo]]<br /> <br /> <br /> ==History==<br /> ===Origins===<br /> The Labour Party was formed out of an alliance of several prominent left-wing and socialist movements that existed in Britain at the turn of the century. Chief amongst them the were the [[Trades Union Congress]], the [[Fabian Society]], and the [[Independent Labour Party]]. The group took the name [[Labour Representation Committee]], later adopting the name [[Labour Party]] after achieving seats in the [[House of Commons]] at the 1906 election. Much of the intellectual energy came from the [[Fabian Socialism|Fabians, an informal group of intellectual socialists.]]<br /> <br /> The rise of Marxist socialism in the late 19th century in the Social Democratic Federation (SDF) (1881-1911) did not create a militantly atheistic and anti-religious force. From its beginnings, circa 1881, the SDF contained Christians, non-Christians, and anti-Christians. These groups generally coexisted in a state of compromise. The membership of the SDF was generally secularist and freethinking but religion was not a central issue. For all parties in the SDF, the central issue was commitment to socialism. <br /> <br /> [[File:Labour1910.jpg|thumb|290px|Labour called for abolition of the [[House of Lords]] in 1910; when elected, they kept it and appointed their own favourites to peerages. Later posters dropped the violent imagery and called for peaceful change.]]<br /> <br /> ===Interwar period===<br /> In its early years the Labour Party benefited from an alliance with the other main left-wing party in Britain, the [[Liberal Party]]; from a growth in working class consciousness; and from dissatisfaction with both the Liberal and [[Conservative Party|Conservative]] parties in the wake of what were perceived to be their mistakes in the handling of the [[First World War]]. Winning growing numbers of seats at each election, the Labour Party was finally able to form a government in 1924 under the leadership of [[Ramsay MacDonald]]. However this was short-lived. The party did not have an outright majority, and in fact only had about one third of the total seats within the House. After just nine months the Party lost an important vote, and the government resigned. Four days before the election the ''[[Daily Mail]]'' published the "[[Zinoviev Letter]]", a forgery that seemed to indicate that the Communist Party of Great Britain was planning subversion or even a violent revolution in cooperation with Labour. The letter was leaked by the Foreign Ministry. The Labour Party was badly defeated in the 1924 general election, even though its vote increased by one million. The Conservative vote was up by two million as the Liberal party was rapidly collapsing. Historians agree the Zinoviev Letter was a forgery but their consensus is that it made little difference in the election. What is more important, after the election Labour leaders used it as an excuse for their failure; it became a roadblock to needed internal reforms in the Labour party.<br /> <br /> [[File:Labour1929.jpg|thumb|300px|Despite the deliberate appeal to middle class voters in this 1929 poster, most Labour voters were working class blokes who did not wear white collars and ties.]]<br /> The Labour Party briefly formed a government again in 1929, but this did not survive the effects of the [[Great Depression]]. In a dispute over the best way to handle the economic consequences of the global financial crash, the Party leadership fractured. A new "National Government" drawn from all parties was formed, with [[Ramsay MacDonald]] still as Prime Minister. However this was dominated by the other parties, particularly the Conservatives, who went on to dominate the British political scene for the rest of the interwar period.<br /> <br /> ===Victory in 1945===<br /> The [[Second World War]] saw a major shift in political attitudes within Britain, and led to a landslide victory for [[Clement Attlee]] in 1945. The modest, unassuming intellectual Attlee named a cabinet that included all elements of the party. Of 37 ministers, eight were former coal miners, and eleven had been active trade unionists. <br /> <br /> This government introduced sweeping reforms of industry and the creation of the [[welfare state]]. Attlee's government nationalised major industries, founded the [[National Health Service]], and developed the idea of welfare from cradle to grave paid for out of taxation and available to everyone free of charge. Much of the welfare state is still in force today.<br /> <br /> The Labour government was fiercely anti-Communist, but the economy was so weak it had to relinquish a leadership role to the United States. Despite not having much of a personal relationship, Atlee pushed President [[Harry Truman]] to take over Britain's historic roles, especially in Greece, and indeed helped push the U.S. into the [[Cold War]] against the [[Soviet Union]]. Ernest Bevin, the foreign secretary, was instrumental in setting up [[NATO]].<br /> <br /> Although it won the first General Election in 1951, Clement Atlee did not believe he had a large enough parliamentary majority to continue his radical reforms so he called a second election. However, he timed it badly, as James Callaghan did in 1979, so his party lost.<br /> <br /> The Labour Party spent the next 13 years out of office and achieved little during the governments of Wilson (1964-1970 and 1974-1976) and his successor James Callaghan (1976-79), although Denis Healey, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, started adopting broadly monetary policies from 1976 on.. Their failures set the stage for the renewal of British energy and leadership under [[Margaret Thatcher]], beginning in 1979.<br /> <br /> ===Socialism===<br /> Despite its historic commitment to socialism, the British Labour Party has been flexible and reformist in its doctrine ever since it was founded in 1900. After the crisis of 1931, the party adopted a broadly social democratic program in which socialism was linked with the idea of economic planning and social welfare. The Attlee government of 1945-51 was very moderate in its commitment to socialism. The years of opposition saw violent arguments in the party between left-wing Bevanites and the center-right supporters of [[Hugh Gaitskell]]. But the main differences concerned foreign and defense policy. On domestic issues, the party was now broadly revisionist, committed to the mixed economy and social equality.<br /> [[File:Atlee45.jpg|thumb|370px|Atlee defeats Churchill in 1945, and becomes bowler for the British cricket team; he faces difficult issues like housing and finance which are coming to bat.]]<br /> <br /> ==New Left==<br /> Wilson, on becoming prime minister in 1964, tried to bypass old doctrinal arguments by harnessing nationalized industry to ideas of scientific modernization. But his government was a great failure, not least in its relations with the trade unions, the linchpin of the party since its founding. Wilson represented the older traditions of the Labour Party and never understood the emerging "New Left" with new social roots, new ideas and new styles of political behaviour in the late 1970s. Following the disillusion and demoralization of traditional Labour Party activists with Wilson's government, a more radical and well-educated local Labour leadership appeared at the local level. This bred much disillusionment and launched a new left-wing socialism in the 1970s. The Labour government of 1974-79 added to this division. The left-wing pressure reached its climax in the early 1980s when Thatcher was in power but resulted only in heavy defeats for Labour in 1983 and 1987. The general impression in 1989 is of a loss of political and intellectual confidence, with British socialism trapped between a cherished past and an uncertain future.<ref> Kenneth O. Morgan, ''Britain since 1945: The People's Peace'' (2001)</ref><br /> <br /> ===Social issues===<br /> The Labour Party has also been a strong proponent of social reform. Under [[Harold Wilson]] in the late 60s, abortion and homosexuality were decriminalizes, the death penalty abolished and divorce was made easier. Unease from a perceived large number of immigrants from Commonwealth countries also led to four Race Relations Acts, all of which were passed under Labour governments.<br /> <br /> ===Industrial Strife===<br /> see [[Winter of Discontent]]<br /> <br /> The Labour Party always prided itself on strong links with [[Labor union|trade unions]], but by the late 1960s there was growing industrial unrest. Inflation was becoming a growing problem and unemployment began to rise. Harold Wilson was elected for a third time in February 1974, taking over from Conservative [[Edward Heath]] whose government was brought to its knees by oil shortages and a crippling coal miners' strike in 1973. Throughout the late 1970s strikes were commonplace, tight controls on pay rises, known as incomes policy, was struggling to curb inflation which reached a high of 28%. A series of devastating strikes in the winter of 1978/79 which became known as the [[Winter of Discontent]] led to the government of [[James Callaghan]] being defeated in a vote of no confidence and a general election which was won by the Conservative Party led by [[Margaret Thatcher]].<br /> <br /> ===A swing to the left===<br /> [[Michael Foot]] became leader of the Labour Party in 1980 and took the party in a far left direction. The 1983 manifesto pledged to reverse all Thatcher's economic reforms; renationalise all privatised businesses, return taxes on the rich to the punitive level of the 1970s (98% in some cases), restore trade union powers, leave the European Economic Community, unilaterally surrender Britain's nuclear weapons and campaign for a united Ireland as a solution to the paramilitarism and terrorism that had beset the province of Northern Ireland throughout the 70s. The manifesto became known as the "longest suicide note in history" and was defeated by Thatcher's Conservatives in a landslide. Pro-EEC Labour Party members who formed their own party, the SDP, nearly polled more votes than the Labour Party. If not for the SDP's poorly thought-out electoral strategy (which gained plenty of votes, but almost no seats in the Commons), Labour could have been reduced to third party status in this election.<br /> <br /> Foot was succeeded by [[Neil Kinnock]], who ditched much (but not all) of the far-left baggage from 1983. Under Kinnock, Labour was again defeated in a landslide in 1987 but, crucially, Labour came well ahead of the SDP (now in alliance with the Liberal Party).<br /> <br /> ===Tony Blair and "New Labour"===<br /> The term New Labour didn't come into being until [[Tony Blair]] became leader in 1994, but the reform of the Labour Party took place long before then. By 1992, it was clear that Thatcher's reforms had struck a chord with voters and the Labour party were no longer promising to renationalise industries or restore trade union powers. Only the top rate of income tax would be raised from 40 to 50%. Opinion polls during the election campaign predicted a very close result, but the Conservative party won a narrow victory of 23 seats after an unusually high turnout.<br /> <br /> John Smith became leader in 1992, but his sudden death in 1994 led to Tony Blair to become leader and the term "New Labour" was born. Blair started by reforming Clause IV. Clause IV dealt with the purpose of the Party and referred direct to its erstwhile desire for public ownership of the means of production; the current version instead calls for 'a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few'.<br /> The revised version mentions "socialism" as a sop to the old timers:<br /> :The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few.’<br /> <br /> Blair promised no increases in income tax and pledged to run a stable economy. He scored landslide victories in 1997, and again in 2001.<br /> <br /> One of Blair's most controversial decisions was to [[Iraq War|invade Iraq]] in 2003 alongside the Americans and other allies. Britain became the second largest contributor of armed forces to [[George W. Bush]]'s "Coalition of the Willing", and Blair staunchly defended the position, and won supporting votes in parliament. Partly due to the war's unpopularity, and partly to a perception that the Government had raised taxes on business and individuals to unacceptable levels, the Labour party won a much smaller majority in 2005 and has seen key bills defeated by backbench revolts such as the plan to hold terrorist suspects for up to 90 days without charge.<br /> <br /> Blair had lost his momentum, so he retired in mid-2007 and was replaced per prior arrangement by his long-time Chancellor, [[Gordon Brown]]. The worldwide [[Recession of 2008]], continuing into 2009, hit Britain hard and has yet to bottom out. Labour took much of the blame, and its polling rates dropped to levels not seen since the early 1980s. Labour's popularity continued to decline in 2009, as the party made its worst electoral showing in a hundred years in the EU elections in June 2009. Brown, however, beat back his disunited critics, reorganized his cabinet, and stumbled onward. The Conservatives maintain a large lead for the next general election, which must be held by spring 2010.<br /> <br /> <br /> ==PR and spin==<br /> <br /> With the formation of New Labour under the leadership of [[Tony Blair]] and along with the support of spin doctors such as [[Peter Mandelson]], the modern Labour Party has been accused of being an extremely deceptive PR machine; being highly dishonest in its dealings with the public and media. <br /> <br /> ==Sharia Infiltration==<br /> A 2010 newspaper report repeated a claim by [[Jim Fitzpatrick]], the MP for [[Poplar and Canning Town]] that the Islamic Forum of Europe (IFE) had effectively created a party within the party in east London. The IFE seeks to make Britain and [[Europe]] an Islamic state. In covert investigations by the media it was determined that the IFE were expressing opposition to democracy, support for sharia law or mocking black people and organized meetings with extremists, including [[Taliban]] allies. <ref>[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/7333420/Islamic-radicals-infiltrate-the-Labour-Party.html Islamic radicals 'infiltrate' the Labour Party, TelegraphUK, February 27, 2010]</ref><br /> <br /> {{cquote| [They are] placing people within the political parties, recruiting members to those political parties, trying to get individuals selected and elected so they can exercise political influence and power, whether it's at local government level or national level.}}<br /> <br /> ==Prime Ministers==<br /> <br /> * [[Ramsay MacDonald]] (1924 and 1929-1935) [http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page136.asp]<br /> <br /> [[File:Labour45.jpg|thumb|270px|Labour won an unexpected landslide in 1945]]<br /> * [[Clement Attlee]] (1945-1951) [http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page133.asp]<br /> <br /> * [[Harold Wilson]] (1964-1970 and 1974-1976) [http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page129.asp]<br /> <br /> * [[James Callaghan]] (1976-1979) [http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page127.asp]<br /> <br /> * [[Tony Blair]] (1997-2007) [http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page4.asp]<br /> <br /> * [[Gordon Brown]] (2007-2010)<br /> [[File:Labour45b.jpg|thumb|275px|left|Iconic 1945 election poster]]<br /> ==See also==<br /> * [[Fabian Society]]<br /> * [[Industrial Democracy]]<br /> <br /> ==Further reading==<br /> <br /> * Davies, Andrew. ''To Build a New Jerusalem: The British Labour Party from Keir Hardie to Tony Blair'' (1996)<br /> * Favretto, Ilaria."'Wilsonism' Reconsidered: Labour Party Revisionism, 1952-64." ''Contemporary British History'' 2000 14(4): 54-80 in [[EBSCO]]]]<br /> * Morgan, Austen. ''Harold Wilson'' (1992), 625pp; negative appraisal<br /> * Morgan, Kenneth O. ''Britain since 1945: The People's Peace'' (2001)<br /> * Pimlott, Ben. ''Harold Wilson'' (1992). Pimlott tries to rehabilitate Wilson’s political reputation, revealing that he was the prisoner rather than the master of various domestic and international dilemmas. <br /> * Swift, John. ''Labour in Crisis: Clement Attlee and the Labour Party in Opposition, 1931-1940'' (2001)<br /> * Worley, Matthew. ''Labour inside the Gate: A History of the British Labour Party between the Wars'' (2005),<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *[http://www.labour.org.uk/home Official site]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> <references/><br /> <br /> [[category:British Political Parties]]<br /> [[Category:British History]]<br /> [[Category:British Politics]]<br /> [[Category:Labor Unions]]<br /> [[Category:Socialism]]<br /> [[category:New Left]]<br /> [[category:1960s]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Kid_Creole&diff=1127696 Kid Creole 2015-01-01T22:39:57Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>'''Kid Creole''' (real name - August Darnell) is a pop singer who found greatest success in the 1980s, fronting his band Kid Creole and the [[Coconut]]s. The group's biggest hit was ''Annie, I'm Not Your Daddy'', which reached number 2 in the [[United Kingdom]] in 1982.<br /> <br /> Kid Creole's music was typically upbeat, with Latin and [[Calypso]] influences. His good-time sound sometime created an unusual contrast with his surprisingly hard-hitting subject matter: ''Annie, I'm Not Your Daddy'' is about a surrogate father breaking the news of his daughter's [[illegitimacy]] to her; and ''Stool Pigeon'' is about a police informer.<br /> <br /> Kid Creole's stage name may have been influenced by the film [[King Creole]], starring the popular song-and-dance man [[Elvis Presley]].<br /> [[category:Singers]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Reconquista&diff=1056570 Talk:Reconquista 2013-06-14T16:10:51Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>A google search on "Rechritianization" yields only this article. This must be a spelling mistake or a spoof.--[[User:AvengingAngel|AvengingAngel]] 17:07, 15 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> :uh, I get 3,020,000 google hits searching for Reconquista. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim <small>(CPAdmin1)</small>]]<sup>[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]]</sup> 17:09, 15 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :: not saying that Reconquista is a spoof, but that Rechritianization is not a bona fide word!--[[User:AvengingAngel|AvengingAngel]] 17:22, 15 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> I have a theory....that the disparity in growth rates of Britain and Spain starting in the 16th century through to the world wars was caused by the Reconquista, especially the fanaticism of Isobel. When the riches of the New World started to roll in, Spain had no middle class who knew what to do with it. A simplification I know....<br /> <br /> Maybe they should have disenchristianized the place. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 21:32, 16 May 2007 (EDT)<br /> <br /> A simplification but valid. Moreover, the distribution of conquered land among Christian nobles meant a kind of bastard feudalism that lasted into the late nineteenth century and was one of the causes of the various Spanish civil wars of the last two hundred years. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] 12:10, 14 June 2013 (EDT)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Lord_of_the_Flies&diff=1054859 Lord of the Flies 2013-06-05T19:28:22Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>'''''The Lord of the Flies''''' is a n important novel by [[William Golding]]. As one somewhat shallow precis put it: "A plane full of British schoolboys crashes on a Deserted Island, and the darkness of humanity spills forth as they turn against each other." <ref>[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LordOfTheFlies]</ref><br /> <br /> Set against both the atrocities of the Second World War and the prospect of nuclear war, it is partly an allegory for the state of humanity.<br /> <br /> The title refers to Baalzebub, mentioned several times in the Bible. In one notable scene, a boy named Simon - who can be seen as a loose allegory of Christ - takes himself off into the jungle where he confronts and understands the Lord of the Flies before returning and being killed by the other boys.<br /> <br /> Although it can be read as a largely conservative novel, with its exploration of faith and doubt and its depiction of the importance of self-suffiency and responsibility, its bleak ending suggests there can be no hope of redemption only a perpetuation of sin and violence.<br /> <br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> <br /> {{reflist}}<br /> [[Category:Novels]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Spain&diff=1054810 Spain 2013-06-05T13:10:31Z

<p>Rafael: /* The leisure activities */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Country<br /> |name =''Spain''<br /> |map =Spain rel82.jpg<br /> |map2 =Spain location.png<br /> |flag =Flag of Spain.png<br /> |arms =Spanish arms.png<br /> |capital =Madrid<br /> |capital-raw =<br /> |government =Constitutional Monarchy<br /> |government-raw =<br /> |language =Spanish<br /> |king =Juan Carlos I<br /> |queen =<br /> |monarch-raw =<br /> |president =<br /> |president-raw =<br /> |chancellor =<br /> |chancellor-raw =<br /> |pm =Mariano Rajoy Brey (Since December 2011)<br /> |pm-raw =<br /> |area =195,364 sq mi<br /> |pop =46,754,000<br /> |pop-basis =2011<br /> |gdp =$1.261 trillion <br /> |gdp-year =2006<br /> |gdp-pc =$27,767 <br /> |currency =Euro <br /> |idd =<br /> |tld =<br /> }}<br /> '''Spain''' (Officially The Kingdom of Spain, in Spanish: Reino de España)is a European country located on the [[Iberian Peninsula]], bordered by [[Portugal]] and the [[Atlantic Ocean]] to the [[west]], [[Gibraltar]] to the [[south]], the [[Mediterranean Sea]] to the east, [[France]] and [[Andorra]] to the [[north]]. [[Portugal]] is located on the same peninsula. Spain is a member of the European Union and the NATO, and an US- Ally. <br /> <br /> Spain is the winner of the 2010 [[World Cup]].<br /> <br /> <br><br /> [[File:Spain World Cup.jpg|left|340px]]<br /> <br /> <br><br /> ==People==<br /> [[File:People of Spain.jpg|left|240px]]<br /> Spain's population density, lower than that of most European countries, is roughly equivalent to New England's. In recent years, following a longstanding pattern in the rest of Europe, rural populations are moving to cities. Urban areas are also experiencing a significant increase in immigrant populations, chiefly from North Africa, [[America (continent)|America]], and Eastern Europe. Distinct ethnic groups within Spain include the Basques, Catalans, and Galicians. They compromise 91% of the population, 8% are Eastern European immigrants and North Africans number roughly 1%.<br /> <br /> Spain has no official religion. The constitution of 1978 disestablished the [[Roman Catholic Church]] as the official state [[religion]], while recognizing the role it plays in Spanish society. More than 90% of the population is at least nominally Catholic. Among the remaining population, there are about 1.2 million evangelical Christians and other Protestants (2006 est.), 1 million Muslims (2006 est.) and 48,000 Jews (2006 est.). <br /> <br /> ====Educational System==== <br /> About 70% of Spain's student population attends public schools or universities. The remainder attend private schools or universities, the great majority of which are operated by the Catholic Church. Compulsory education begins with primary school or general basic education for ages 6-16. It is free in public schools and in many private schools, most of which receive government subsidies. Following graduation, students attend either a secondary school offering a general high school diploma or a school of professional education (corresponding to grades 9-12 in the United States) offering a vocational training program. The Spanish university system offers degree and post-graduate programs in all fields--law, sciences, humanities, and medicine--and the superior technical schools offer programs in engineering and architecture.<br /> <br /> ==Government and Political Conditions==<br /> [[File:Francisco Franco.jpg|thumb|left|Francisco Franco.]]<br /> <br /> Parliamentary democracy was restored following the death of General [[Francisco Franco]] in 1975, who had ruled since the end of the civil war in 1939. The 1978 constitution established Spain as a parliamentary monarchy, with the prime minister responsible to the bicameral Cortes (Congress of Deputies and Senate) elected every 4 years. On February 23, 1981, rebel pro-Franco elements among the security forces seized the Cortes and tried to impose a military-backed government. However, the great majority of the military forces remained loyal to King Juan Carlos, who used his personal authority to put down the bloodless coup attempt. <br /> <br /> In October 1982, the Spanish Socialist Workers Party (PSOE), led by [[Felipe Gonzalez]], swept both the Congress of Deputies and Senate, winning an absolute majority. Gonzalez and the PSOE ruled for the next 13 years. During that period, Spain joined the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the European Community. <br /> <br /> In March 1996, [[Jose Maria Aznar]]'s Popular Party (PP) won a plurality of votes. Aznar moved to decentralize powers to the regions and liberalize the economy, with a program of privatization, labor market reform, and measures designed to increase competition in selected markets. During Aznar's first term, Spain fully integrated into European institutions, qualifying for the European Monetary Union. During this period, Spain participated, along with the United States and other NATO allies, in military operations in the former Yugoslavia. President Aznar and the PP won reelection in March 2000, obtaining absolute majorities in both houses of parliament. <br /> [[Image:Cantabria Santoña.jpg|thumb|240px|Santoña, Cantabria.]]<br /> After the terrorist attacks on the U.S. on September 11, 2001, President Aznar became a key ally in the fight against terrorism. Spain backed the military action against the Taliban in [[Afghanistan]] and took a leadership role within the European Union (EU) in pushing for increased international cooperation on terrorism. The Aznar government, with a rotating seat on the UN Security Council, supported the intervention in [[Iraq]]. <br /> <br /> Spanish parliamentary elections on March 14, 2004 came only three days after a devastating terrorist attack on Madrid commuter rail lines that killed 191 and wounded over 1,400. With large voter turnout, PSOE won the election and its leader, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, took office on April 17, 2004. Carrying out campaign promises, the Zapatero government immediately withdrew Spanish forces from Iraq but has continued to support Iraq reconstruction efforts. The Zapatero government has supported coalition efforts in Afghanistan, including maintaining troop support for 2004 and 2005 elections, supported reconstruction efforts in Haiti, sent troops to UNIFIL in Lebanon, and cooperated on counterterrorism issues and many other issues of importance to the U.S. <br /> <br /> In 2005, the Spanish Parliament approved a same-sex marriage bill. <br /> <br /> In November 20, 2011, Mariano Rajoy Brey, from the Popular Party (PP), won the elections, and took office on December 20.<br /> <br /> ===Local Government=== <br /> [[File:Plaza Virgen de los Reyes, Seville, Spain 2009.jpg|thumb|left|Plaza Virgen de los Reyes, Seville.]]<br /> The 1978 constitution authorized the creation of regional autonomous governments. By 1985, 17 regions covering all of peninsular Spain, the Canaries, and the Balearic Islands had negotiated autonomy statutes with the central government. In 1979, the first autonomous elections were held in the Basque and Catalan regions, which have the strongest regional traditions by virtue of their history and separate languages. Since then, autonomous governments have been created in the remainder of the 17 regions. The central government continues to devolve powers to the regional governments, which will eventually have full responsibility for health care and education, as well as other social programs.<br /> <br /> Spain is divided into [[political subdivisions of Spain|seventeen autonomous communities]] and two autonomous cities ([[Ceuta]] and [[Melilla]], which are in north Africa next to [[Morocco]]). The seventeen autonomous communities are further divided into fifty provinces.<br /> {{Clear}}<br /> <br /> ===Terrorism===<br /> [[File:ETA.jpg|thumb|Mural with the anagram of Batasuna.]]<br /> The Government of Spain is involved in a long-running campaign against Basque Fatherland and Liberty ([[ETA]]), a [[terrorist]] organization founded in 1959 and dedicated to promoting [[Basque]] independence. ETA targets Spanish security forces, military personnel, Spanish Government officials, and politicians of the Popular Party and the Socialist Party (PSOE.) The group has carried out numerous bombings against Spanish Government facilities and economic targets, including a car bomb assassination attempt on then-opposition leader Aznar in 1995, in which his armored car was destroyed but he was unhurt. The Spanish Government attributes over 800 deaths to ETA terrorism since its campaign of violence began. In recent years, the government has had more success in controlling ETA, due in part to increased security cooperation with [[French]] authorities. <br /> <br /> In November 1999, ETA ended a cease-fire it declared in September 1998. Following the end of that ceasefire, ETA conducted a campaign of violence and has been blamed for the deaths of some 46 Spanish citizens and officials. Each attack has been followed by massive anti-ETA demonstrations around the country, clearly demonstrating that the majority of Spaniards, including the majority of Spain's Basque populace, have no tolerance for continued ETA violence. In March 2006, ETA declared another ceasefire, which it ended in June 2007. The government continues to pursue vigorous counterterrorist policy and has worked closely with its international allies to foil several suspected ETA attacks. <br /> <br /> Spain also contends with a resistance group, commonly known as GRAPO. GRAPO is an urban left-wing terrorist group that seeks to overthrow the Spanish Government and establish a Marxist state. It opposes Spanish participation in NATO and U.S. military presence in Spain and has a long history of assassinations, bombings, and kidnappings mostly against Spanish interests during the 1970s and 1980s. <br /> <br /> In a June 2000 communique following the explosions of two small devices in Barcelona, GRAPO claimed responsibility for several terrorist attacks throughout Spain during the past year. These attacks included two failed armored car robberies, one in which two security officers died, and four bombings of political party offices during the 1999/2000 election campaign. In 2002 and 2003, Spanish and French authorities were successful in hampering the organization's activities through sweeping arrests, including some of the group's leadership. <br /> <br /> Al Qaeda is known to operate cells in Spain. On March 11, 2004, only three days before national elections, 10 bombs were detonated on crowded commuter trains during rush hour. Three were deactivated by security forces and one was found unexploded. Evidence quickly surfaced that jihadist terrorists with possible ties to the al Qaeda network were responsible for the attack that killed 191 people. Spanish investigative services and the judicial system have aggressively sought to arrest and prosecute suspected al Qaeda members and actively cooperate with foreign governments to diminish the transnational terrorist threat. A Spanish court convicted 18 individuals in September 2005 for their role in supporting al Qaeda, and Spanish police disrupted numerous Islamist extremist cells operating in the country. The trial against 29 people for their alleged participation in the Madrid March 11, 2004 terrorist attack started in February 2007, and was declared ready for judgment at the end of June. One of the 29 was absolved during the trial. The prosecutor asked for sentences as high as 30,000 years of jail for some of them. The court is expected to issue the sentence sometime in October 2007.<br /> <br /> ===Principal Government Officials=== <br /> [[File:Barack Obama and Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.jpg|thumb|[[Barack Obama]] and Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.]]<br /> *Chief of State, Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces--King Juan Carlos I <br /> *President of the Government (Prime Minister)-- [[Mariano Rajoy Brey]] <br /> *Minister of Foreign Affairs--Miguel Angel Moratinos <br /> *Ambassador to the United States--Carlos Westendorp y Cabeza<br /> <br /> ===Foreign Relations===<br /> After the return of democracy following the death of General Franco in 1975, Spain's foreign policy priorities were to review the status of its African colonies, expand diplomatic relations, enter the European Community, and define security relations with the West. <br /> [[File:Monumento a Alfonso XII parque del Buen Retiro.jpg|thumb|left|270px|Monument to Alfonso XII, Madrid.]]<br /> As a member of NATO since 1982, Spain has established itself as a major participant in multilateral international security activities. Spain's EU membership represents an important part of its foreign policy. Even on many international issues beyond Western Europe, Spain prefers to coordinate its efforts with its EU partners through the European political cooperation mechanism. <br /> <br /> With the normalization of diplomatic relations with Israel and Albania in 1986, Spain virtually completed the process of universalizing its diplomatic relations. The only country with which it now does not have diplomatic relations is North Korea. <br /> <br /> Spain has maintained its special identification with Latin America. Its policy emphasizes the concept of Hispanidad, a mixture of linguistic, religious, ethnic, cultural, and historical ties binding Spanish-speaking America to Spain. Spain has been an effective example of transition from authoritarianism to democracy, as shown in the many trips that Spain's King and Prime Ministers have made to the region. Spain maintains economic and technical cooperation programs and cultural exchanges with Latin America, both bilaterally and within the EU. <br /> <br /> Spain also continues to focus attention on North [[Africa]], especially on Morocco. This concern is dictated by geographic proximity and long historical contacts, as well as by the two Spanish enclave cities of [[Ceuta]] and Melilla on the northern coast of Africa. While Spain's departure from its former colony of Western Sahara ended direct Spanish participation in Morocco, it maintains an interest in the peaceful resolution of the conflict brought about there by decolonization. These issues were highlighted by a crisis in 2002, when Spanish forces evicted a small contingent of Moroccans from a tiny islet off Morocco's coast following that nation's attempt to assert sovereignty over the island. <br /> <br /> Meanwhile, Spain has gradually begun to broaden its contacts with Sub-Saharan Africa. It has a particular interest in its former colony of Equatorial Guinea, where it maintains a large aid program. <br /> <br /> In relations with the Arab world, Spain has sought to promote European-Mediterranean dialog. Spain strongly supports the EU's "Barcelona Process" which seeks to expand dialog and trade between Europe and the nations of North Africa and the Middle East, including Israel. It is seen by some as too greatly favoring the European Union. Other proposals are on the table, including one put forward by French President Nicolas Sarkozy in 2007. The latest meeting on the Barcelona initiative was held on November 29, 2005. <br /> <br /> Spain has been successful in managing its relations with its two European neighbors, France and Portugal. The accession of Spain and Portugal to the EU has helped ease some of their periodic trade frictions by putting these into an EU context. Franco-Spanish bilateral cooperation is enhanced by joint action against Basque ETA terrorism. Ties with the United Kingdom are generally good, although the question of [[Gibraltar]] remains a sensitive issue.<br /> <br /> ==Economy==<br /> [[File:El Escorial Spain.jpg|thumb|left|320px|El Escorial, an important touristic site.]]<br /> Spain's accession to the European Community--now European Union (EU)--in January 1986 required the country to open its economy to trade and investment, modernize its industrial base, improve infrastructure, and revise economic legislation to conform to EU guidelines. In doing so, Spain increased gross domestic product (GDP) growth, reduced the public debt to GDP ratio, reduced unemployment from 23% in 1986 to 8.47% in first quarter 2007, and reduced [[inflation]] to under 3%. The fundamental challenges remaining for Spain include decreasing unemployment further, reforming labor laws lowering inflation, and raising per capita GDP. <br /> <br /> Following peak growth years in the late 1980s, the Spanish economy entered into recession in mid-1992. The economy recovered during the first Aznar administration (1996-2000), driven by a return of consumer confidence and increased private consumption, although growth has slowed in recent years. Unemployment remains a problem at 8.47% (2007, first quarter), but this still represents a significant improvement from previous levels. Devaluations of the peseta during the 1990s made Spanish exports more competitive, but the strength of the euro since its adoption has raised recent concerns that Spanish exports are being priced out of the range of foreign buyers.<br /> <br /> Following the financial problems starting in the [[USA]] the economy of Spain had serious problems. Like the US, it had a huge housing bubble. Unlike the US, the banking sector relied on small Cajas de Ahorros. When the housing market collapsed, most of the Cajas de Ahorros found themselves with red balance sheets, sparking the Spanish banking crisis. The collapse of the housing market also had a devastating effect on the construction and service sector. A surplus of housing also led to the collapse of prices in the rental sector.<br /> <br /> Spain's public sector is proportionally smaller than most, including those of the US. Nevertheless, Mariano Rajoy's government has sought to privatize most of the remaining state-run sector while increasing subsidies to banks like Santander and Bankia and cutting investment in infratructure. The cost of these reforms has further burdened the Spanish the economy, causing considerable social unrest as cuts to education and health start to bite people find less money in their pockets.<br /> <br /> ==History==<br /> [[File:Testamento Isabel la Catolica PDWC.jpg|thumb|Will of Isabel I, Queen of Castile.]]<br /> See [[History of Spain]]<br /> [[Image:Sorolla The Jota (Aragon ).jpg|thumb|left|The Jota (Aragon) by [[Joaquín Sorolla]]]]<br /> <br /> <br /> ==The leisure activities==<br /> <br /> The so-called national sport of Spain is the [[bullfighting]], although real national sport is Soccer.<br /> <br /> <br /> [[File:Goya Jovellanos 1798.jpg|200px|center|Melchor de Jovellanos by [[Francisco de Goya]], 1798.]]<br /> <br /> == See also ==<br /> <br /> *[[Spanish Painting]]<br /> *[[Gallery of Spanish Masterpieces]]<br /> *[[Famous Spanish Artists]]<br /> <br /> == External links ==<br /> <br /> *[https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sp.html Spain] CIA - The World Factbook.<br /> *[http://www.okspain.org/ The Tourist Office of Spain]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> <references/><br /> <br /> <br /> {{Copyright Details (US Government)}} <br /> <br /> {{European Union}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:European Countries]]<br /> [[Category:NATO members]]<br /> [[Category:Christian-Majority Countries]]<br /> [[Category:Spain]]<br /> [[Category:Spanish Empire]]<br /> [[Category:Spanish History]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Spain&diff=1054809 Spain 2013-06-05T13:09:49Z

<p>Rafael: /* Economy */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Country<br /> |name =''Spain''<br /> |map =Spain rel82.jpg<br /> |map2 =Spain location.png<br /> |flag =Flag of Spain.png<br /> |arms =Spanish arms.png<br /> |capital =Madrid<br /> |capital-raw =<br /> |government =Constitutional Monarchy<br /> |government-raw =<br /> |language =Spanish<br /> |king =Juan Carlos I<br /> |queen =<br /> |monarch-raw =<br /> |president =<br /> |president-raw =<br /> |chancellor =<br /> |chancellor-raw =<br /> |pm =Mariano Rajoy Brey (Since December 2011)<br /> |pm-raw =<br /> |area =195,364 sq mi<br /> |pop =46,754,000<br /> |pop-basis =2011<br /> |gdp =$1.261 trillion <br /> |gdp-year =2006<br /> |gdp-pc =$27,767 <br /> |currency =Euro <br /> |idd =<br /> |tld =<br /> }}<br /> '''Spain''' (Officially The Kingdom of Spain, in Spanish: Reino de España)is a European country located on the [[Iberian Peninsula]], bordered by [[Portugal]] and the [[Atlantic Ocean]] to the [[west]], [[Gibraltar]] to the [[south]], the [[Mediterranean Sea]] to the east, [[France]] and [[Andorra]] to the [[north]]. [[Portugal]] is located on the same peninsula. Spain is a member of the European Union and the NATO, and an US- Ally. <br /> <br /> Spain is the winner of the 2010 [[World Cup]].<br /> <br /> <br><br /> [[File:Spain World Cup.jpg|left|340px]]<br /> <br /> <br><br /> ==People==<br /> [[File:People of Spain.jpg|left|240px]]<br /> Spain's population density, lower than that of most European countries, is roughly equivalent to New England's. In recent years, following a longstanding pattern in the rest of Europe, rural populations are moving to cities. Urban areas are also experiencing a significant increase in immigrant populations, chiefly from North Africa, [[America (continent)|America]], and Eastern Europe. Distinct ethnic groups within Spain include the Basques, Catalans, and Galicians. They compromise 91% of the population, 8% are Eastern European immigrants and North Africans number roughly 1%.<br /> <br /> Spain has no official religion. The constitution of 1978 disestablished the [[Roman Catholic Church]] as the official state [[religion]], while recognizing the role it plays in Spanish society. More than 90% of the population is at least nominally Catholic. Among the remaining population, there are about 1.2 million evangelical Christians and other Protestants (2006 est.), 1 million Muslims (2006 est.) and 48,000 Jews (2006 est.). <br /> <br /> ====Educational System==== <br /> About 70% of Spain's student population attends public schools or universities. The remainder attend private schools or universities, the great majority of which are operated by the Catholic Church. Compulsory education begins with primary school or general basic education for ages 6-16. It is free in public schools and in many private schools, most of which receive government subsidies. Following graduation, students attend either a secondary school offering a general high school diploma or a school of professional education (corresponding to grades 9-12 in the United States) offering a vocational training program. The Spanish university system offers degree and post-graduate programs in all fields--law, sciences, humanities, and medicine--and the superior technical schools offer programs in engineering and architecture.<br /> <br /> ==Government and Political Conditions==<br /> [[File:Francisco Franco.jpg|thumb|left|Francisco Franco.]]<br /> <br /> Parliamentary democracy was restored following the death of General [[Francisco Franco]] in 1975, who had ruled since the end of the civil war in 1939. The 1978 constitution established Spain as a parliamentary monarchy, with the prime minister responsible to the bicameral Cortes (Congress of Deputies and Senate) elected every 4 years. On February 23, 1981, rebel pro-Franco elements among the security forces seized the Cortes and tried to impose a military-backed government. However, the great majority of the military forces remained loyal to King Juan Carlos, who used his personal authority to put down the bloodless coup attempt. <br /> <br /> In October 1982, the Spanish Socialist Workers Party (PSOE), led by [[Felipe Gonzalez]], swept both the Congress of Deputies and Senate, winning an absolute majority. Gonzalez and the PSOE ruled for the next 13 years. During that period, Spain joined the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the European Community. <br /> <br /> In March 1996, [[Jose Maria Aznar]]'s Popular Party (PP) won a plurality of votes. Aznar moved to decentralize powers to the regions and liberalize the economy, with a program of privatization, labor market reform, and measures designed to increase competition in selected markets. During Aznar's first term, Spain fully integrated into European institutions, qualifying for the European Monetary Union. During this period, Spain participated, along with the United States and other NATO allies, in military operations in the former Yugoslavia. President Aznar and the PP won reelection in March 2000, obtaining absolute majorities in both houses of parliament. <br /> [[Image:Cantabria Santoña.jpg|thumb|240px|Santoña, Cantabria.]]<br /> After the terrorist attacks on the U.S. on September 11, 2001, President Aznar became a key ally in the fight against terrorism. Spain backed the military action against the Taliban in [[Afghanistan]] and took a leadership role within the European Union (EU) in pushing for increased international cooperation on terrorism. The Aznar government, with a rotating seat on the UN Security Council, supported the intervention in [[Iraq]]. <br /> <br /> Spanish parliamentary elections on March 14, 2004 came only three days after a devastating terrorist attack on Madrid commuter rail lines that killed 191 and wounded over 1,400. With large voter turnout, PSOE won the election and its leader, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, took office on April 17, 2004. Carrying out campaign promises, the Zapatero government immediately withdrew Spanish forces from Iraq but has continued to support Iraq reconstruction efforts. The Zapatero government has supported coalition efforts in Afghanistan, including maintaining troop support for 2004 and 2005 elections, supported reconstruction efforts in Haiti, sent troops to UNIFIL in Lebanon, and cooperated on counterterrorism issues and many other issues of importance to the U.S. <br /> <br /> In 2005, the Spanish Parliament approved a same-sex marriage bill. <br /> <br /> In November 20, 2011, Mariano Rajoy Brey, from the Popular Party (PP), won the elections, and took office on December 20.<br /> <br /> ===Local Government=== <br /> [[File:Plaza Virgen de los Reyes, Seville, Spain 2009.jpg|thumb|left|Plaza Virgen de los Reyes, Seville.]]<br /> The 1978 constitution authorized the creation of regional autonomous governments. By 1985, 17 regions covering all of peninsular Spain, the Canaries, and the Balearic Islands had negotiated autonomy statutes with the central government. In 1979, the first autonomous elections were held in the Basque and Catalan regions, which have the strongest regional traditions by virtue of their history and separate languages. Since then, autonomous governments have been created in the remainder of the 17 regions. The central government continues to devolve powers to the regional governments, which will eventually have full responsibility for health care and education, as well as other social programs.<br /> <br /> Spain is divided into [[political subdivisions of Spain|seventeen autonomous communities]] and two autonomous cities ([[Ceuta]] and [[Melilla]], which are in north Africa next to [[Morocco]]). The seventeen autonomous communities are further divided into fifty provinces.<br /> {{Clear}}<br /> <br /> ===Terrorism===<br /> [[File:ETA.jpg|thumb|Mural with the anagram of Batasuna.]]<br /> The Government of Spain is involved in a long-running campaign against Basque Fatherland and Liberty ([[ETA]]), a [[terrorist]] organization founded in 1959 and dedicated to promoting [[Basque]] independence. ETA targets Spanish security forces, military personnel, Spanish Government officials, and politicians of the Popular Party and the Socialist Party (PSOE.) The group has carried out numerous bombings against Spanish Government facilities and economic targets, including a car bomb assassination attempt on then-opposition leader Aznar in 1995, in which his armored car was destroyed but he was unhurt. The Spanish Government attributes over 800 deaths to ETA terrorism since its campaign of violence began. In recent years, the government has had more success in controlling ETA, due in part to increased security cooperation with [[French]] authorities. <br /> <br /> In November 1999, ETA ended a cease-fire it declared in September 1998. Following the end of that ceasefire, ETA conducted a campaign of violence and has been blamed for the deaths of some 46 Spanish citizens and officials. Each attack has been followed by massive anti-ETA demonstrations around the country, clearly demonstrating that the majority of Spaniards, including the majority of Spain's Basque populace, have no tolerance for continued ETA violence. In March 2006, ETA declared another ceasefire, which it ended in June 2007. The government continues to pursue vigorous counterterrorist policy and has worked closely with its international allies to foil several suspected ETA attacks. <br /> <br /> Spain also contends with a resistance group, commonly known as GRAPO. GRAPO is an urban left-wing terrorist group that seeks to overthrow the Spanish Government and establish a Marxist state. It opposes Spanish participation in NATO and U.S. military presence in Spain and has a long history of assassinations, bombings, and kidnappings mostly against Spanish interests during the 1970s and 1980s. <br /> <br /> In a June 2000 communique following the explosions of two small devices in Barcelona, GRAPO claimed responsibility for several terrorist attacks throughout Spain during the past year. These attacks included two failed armored car robberies, one in which two security officers died, and four bombings of political party offices during the 1999/2000 election campaign. In 2002 and 2003, Spanish and French authorities were successful in hampering the organization's activities through sweeping arrests, including some of the group's leadership. <br /> <br /> Al Qaeda is known to operate cells in Spain. On March 11, 2004, only three days before national elections, 10 bombs were detonated on crowded commuter trains during rush hour. Three were deactivated by security forces and one was found unexploded. Evidence quickly surfaced that jihadist terrorists with possible ties to the al Qaeda network were responsible for the attack that killed 191 people. Spanish investigative services and the judicial system have aggressively sought to arrest and prosecute suspected al Qaeda members and actively cooperate with foreign governments to diminish the transnational terrorist threat. A Spanish court convicted 18 individuals in September 2005 for their role in supporting al Qaeda, and Spanish police disrupted numerous Islamist extremist cells operating in the country. The trial against 29 people for their alleged participation in the Madrid March 11, 2004 terrorist attack started in February 2007, and was declared ready for judgment at the end of June. One of the 29 was absolved during the trial. The prosecutor asked for sentences as high as 30,000 years of jail for some of them. The court is expected to issue the sentence sometime in October 2007.<br /> <br /> ===Principal Government Officials=== <br /> [[File:Barack Obama and Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.jpg|thumb|[[Barack Obama]] and Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.]]<br /> *Chief of State, Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces--King Juan Carlos I <br /> *President of the Government (Prime Minister)-- [[Mariano Rajoy Brey]] <br /> *Minister of Foreign Affairs--Miguel Angel Moratinos <br /> *Ambassador to the United States--Carlos Westendorp y Cabeza<br /> <br /> ===Foreign Relations===<br /> After the return of democracy following the death of General Franco in 1975, Spain's foreign policy priorities were to review the status of its African colonies, expand diplomatic relations, enter the European Community, and define security relations with the West. <br /> [[File:Monumento a Alfonso XII parque del Buen Retiro.jpg|thumb|left|270px|Monument to Alfonso XII, Madrid.]]<br /> As a member of NATO since 1982, Spain has established itself as a major participant in multilateral international security activities. Spain's EU membership represents an important part of its foreign policy. Even on many international issues beyond Western Europe, Spain prefers to coordinate its efforts with its EU partners through the European political cooperation mechanism. <br /> <br /> With the normalization of diplomatic relations with Israel and Albania in 1986, Spain virtually completed the process of universalizing its diplomatic relations. The only country with which it now does not have diplomatic relations is North Korea. <br /> <br /> Spain has maintained its special identification with Latin America. Its policy emphasizes the concept of Hispanidad, a mixture of linguistic, religious, ethnic, cultural, and historical ties binding Spanish-speaking America to Spain. Spain has been an effective example of transition from authoritarianism to democracy, as shown in the many trips that Spain's King and Prime Ministers have made to the region. Spain maintains economic and technical cooperation programs and cultural exchanges with Latin America, both bilaterally and within the EU. <br /> <br /> Spain also continues to focus attention on North [[Africa]], especially on Morocco. This concern is dictated by geographic proximity and long historical contacts, as well as by the two Spanish enclave cities of [[Ceuta]] and Melilla on the northern coast of Africa. While Spain's departure from its former colony of Western Sahara ended direct Spanish participation in Morocco, it maintains an interest in the peaceful resolution of the conflict brought about there by decolonization. These issues were highlighted by a crisis in 2002, when Spanish forces evicted a small contingent of Moroccans from a tiny islet off Morocco's coast following that nation's attempt to assert sovereignty over the island. <br /> <br /> Meanwhile, Spain has gradually begun to broaden its contacts with Sub-Saharan Africa. It has a particular interest in its former colony of Equatorial Guinea, where it maintains a large aid program. <br /> <br /> In relations with the Arab world, Spain has sought to promote European-Mediterranean dialog. Spain strongly supports the EU's "Barcelona Process" which seeks to expand dialog and trade between Europe and the nations of North Africa and the Middle East, including Israel. It is seen by some as too greatly favoring the European Union. Other proposals are on the table, including one put forward by French President Nicolas Sarkozy in 2007. The latest meeting on the Barcelona initiative was held on November 29, 2005. <br /> <br /> Spain has been successful in managing its relations with its two European neighbors, France and Portugal. The accession of Spain and Portugal to the EU has helped ease some of their periodic trade frictions by putting these into an EU context. Franco-Spanish bilateral cooperation is enhanced by joint action against Basque ETA terrorism. Ties with the United Kingdom are generally good, although the question of [[Gibraltar]] remains a sensitive issue.<br /> <br /> ==Economy==<br /> [[File:El Escorial Spain.jpg|thumb|left|320px|El Escorial, an important touristic site.]]<br /> Spain's accession to the European Community--now European Union (EU)--in January 1986 required the country to open its economy to trade and investment, modernize its industrial base, improve infrastructure, and revise economic legislation to conform to EU guidelines. In doing so, Spain increased gross domestic product (GDP) growth, reduced the public debt to GDP ratio, reduced unemployment from 23% in 1986 to 8.47% in first quarter 2007, and reduced [[inflation]] to under 3%. The fundamental challenges remaining for Spain include decreasing unemployment further, reforming labor laws lowering inflation, and raising per capita GDP. <br /> <br /> Following peak growth years in the late 1980s, the Spanish economy entered into recession in mid-1992. The economy recovered during the first Aznar administration (1996-2000), driven by a return of consumer confidence and increased private consumption, although growth has slowed in recent years. Unemployment remains a problem at 8.47% (2007, first quarter), but this still represents a significant improvement from previous levels. Devaluations of the peseta during the 1990s made Spanish exports more competitive, but the strength of the euro since its adoption has raised recent concerns that Spanish exports are being priced out of the range of foreign buyers.<br /> <br /> Following the financial problems starting in the [[USA]] the economy of Spain had serious problems. Like the US, it had a huge housing bubble. Unlike the US, the banking sector relied on small Cajas de Ahorros. When the housing market collapsed, most of the Cajas de Ahorros found themselves with red balance sheets, sparking the Spanish banking crisis. The collapse of the housing market also had a devastating effect on the construction and service sector. A surplus of housing also led to the collapse of prices in the rental sector.<br /> <br /> Spain's public sector is proportionally smaller than most, including those of the US. Nevertheless, Mariano Rajoy's government has sought to privatize most of the remaining state-run sector while increasing subsidies to banks like Santander and Bankia and cutting investment in infratructure. The cost of these reforms has further burdened the Spanish the economy, causing considerable social unrest as cuts to education and health start to bite people find less money in their pockets.<br /> <br /> ==History==<br /> [[File:Testamento Isabel la Catolica PDWC.jpg|thumb|Will of Isabel I, Queen of Castile.]]<br /> See [[History of Spain]]<br /> [[Image:Sorolla The Jota (Aragon ).jpg|thumb|left|The Jota (Aragon) by [[Joaquín Sorolla]]]]<br /> <br /> <br /> ==The leisure activities==<br /> <br /> The so-called national sport of Spain is the [[bullfighting]].<br /> <br /> <br /> [[File:Goya Jovellanos 1798.jpg|200px|center|Melchor de Jovellanos by [[Francisco de Goya]], 1798.]]<br /> <br /> == See also ==<br /> <br /> *[[Spanish Painting]]<br /> *[[Gallery of Spanish Masterpieces]]<br /> *[[Famous Spanish Artists]]<br /> <br /> == External links ==<br /> <br /> *[https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sp.html Spain] CIA - The World Factbook.<br /> *[http://www.okspain.org/ The Tourist Office of Spain]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> <references/><br /> <br /> <br /> {{Copyright Details (US Government)}} <br /> <br /> {{European Union}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:European Countries]]<br /> [[Category:NATO members]]<br /> [[Category:Christian-Majority Countries]]<br /> [[Category:Spain]]<br /> [[Category:Spanish Empire]]<br /> [[Category:Spanish History]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Spain&diff=1054808 Spain 2013-06-05T13:01:52Z

<p>Rafael: /* Foreign Relations */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Country<br /> |name =''Spain''<br /> |map =Spain rel82.jpg<br /> |map2 =Spain location.png<br /> |flag =Flag of Spain.png<br /> |arms =Spanish arms.png<br /> |capital =Madrid<br /> |capital-raw =<br /> |government =Constitutional Monarchy<br /> |government-raw =<br /> |language =Spanish<br /> |king =Juan Carlos I<br /> |queen =<br /> |monarch-raw =<br /> |president =<br /> |president-raw =<br /> |chancellor =<br /> |chancellor-raw =<br /> |pm =Mariano Rajoy Brey (Since December 2011)<br /> |pm-raw =<br /> |area =195,364 sq mi<br /> |pop =46,754,000<br /> |pop-basis =2011<br /> |gdp =$1.261 trillion <br /> |gdp-year =2006<br /> |gdp-pc =$27,767 <br /> |currency =Euro <br /> |idd =<br /> |tld =<br /> }}<br /> '''Spain''' (Officially The Kingdom of Spain, in Spanish: Reino de España)is a European country located on the [[Iberian Peninsula]], bordered by [[Portugal]] and the [[Atlantic Ocean]] to the [[west]], [[Gibraltar]] to the [[south]], the [[Mediterranean Sea]] to the east, [[France]] and [[Andorra]] to the [[north]]. [[Portugal]] is located on the same peninsula. Spain is a member of the European Union and the NATO, and an US- Ally. <br /> <br /> Spain is the winner of the 2010 [[World Cup]].<br /> <br /> <br><br /> [[File:Spain World Cup.jpg|left|340px]]<br /> <br /> <br><br /> ==People==<br /> [[File:People of Spain.jpg|left|240px]]<br /> Spain's population density, lower than that of most European countries, is roughly equivalent to New England's. In recent years, following a longstanding pattern in the rest of Europe, rural populations are moving to cities. Urban areas are also experiencing a significant increase in immigrant populations, chiefly from North Africa, [[America (continent)|America]], and Eastern Europe. Distinct ethnic groups within Spain include the Basques, Catalans, and Galicians. They compromise 91% of the population, 8% are Eastern European immigrants and North Africans number roughly 1%.<br /> <br /> Spain has no official religion. The constitution of 1978 disestablished the [[Roman Catholic Church]] as the official state [[religion]], while recognizing the role it plays in Spanish society. More than 90% of the population is at least nominally Catholic. Among the remaining population, there are about 1.2 million evangelical Christians and other Protestants (2006 est.), 1 million Muslims (2006 est.) and 48,000 Jews (2006 est.). <br /> <br /> ====Educational System==== <br /> About 70% of Spain's student population attends public schools or universities. The remainder attend private schools or universities, the great majority of which are operated by the Catholic Church. Compulsory education begins with primary school or general basic education for ages 6-16. It is free in public schools and in many private schools, most of which receive government subsidies. Following graduation, students attend either a secondary school offering a general high school diploma or a school of professional education (corresponding to grades 9-12 in the United States) offering a vocational training program. The Spanish university system offers degree and post-graduate programs in all fields--law, sciences, humanities, and medicine--and the superior technical schools offer programs in engineering and architecture.<br /> <br /> ==Government and Political Conditions==<br /> [[File:Francisco Franco.jpg|thumb|left|Francisco Franco.]]<br /> <br /> Parliamentary democracy was restored following the death of General [[Francisco Franco]] in 1975, who had ruled since the end of the civil war in 1939. The 1978 constitution established Spain as a parliamentary monarchy, with the prime minister responsible to the bicameral Cortes (Congress of Deputies and Senate) elected every 4 years. On February 23, 1981, rebel pro-Franco elements among the security forces seized the Cortes and tried to impose a military-backed government. However, the great majority of the military forces remained loyal to King Juan Carlos, who used his personal authority to put down the bloodless coup attempt. <br /> <br /> In October 1982, the Spanish Socialist Workers Party (PSOE), led by [[Felipe Gonzalez]], swept both the Congress of Deputies and Senate, winning an absolute majority. Gonzalez and the PSOE ruled for the next 13 years. During that period, Spain joined the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the European Community. <br /> <br /> In March 1996, [[Jose Maria Aznar]]'s Popular Party (PP) won a plurality of votes. Aznar moved to decentralize powers to the regions and liberalize the economy, with a program of privatization, labor market reform, and measures designed to increase competition in selected markets. During Aznar's first term, Spain fully integrated into European institutions, qualifying for the European Monetary Union. During this period, Spain participated, along with the United States and other NATO allies, in military operations in the former Yugoslavia. President Aznar and the PP won reelection in March 2000, obtaining absolute majorities in both houses of parliament. <br /> [[Image:Cantabria Santoña.jpg|thumb|240px|Santoña, Cantabria.]]<br /> After the terrorist attacks on the U.S. on September 11, 2001, President Aznar became a key ally in the fight against terrorism. Spain backed the military action against the Taliban in [[Afghanistan]] and took a leadership role within the European Union (EU) in pushing for increased international cooperation on terrorism. The Aznar government, with a rotating seat on the UN Security Council, supported the intervention in [[Iraq]]. <br /> <br /> Spanish parliamentary elections on March 14, 2004 came only three days after a devastating terrorist attack on Madrid commuter rail lines that killed 191 and wounded over 1,400. With large voter turnout, PSOE won the election and its leader, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, took office on April 17, 2004. Carrying out campaign promises, the Zapatero government immediately withdrew Spanish forces from Iraq but has continued to support Iraq reconstruction efforts. The Zapatero government has supported coalition efforts in Afghanistan, including maintaining troop support for 2004 and 2005 elections, supported reconstruction efforts in Haiti, sent troops to UNIFIL in Lebanon, and cooperated on counterterrorism issues and many other issues of importance to the U.S. <br /> <br /> In 2005, the Spanish Parliament approved a same-sex marriage bill. <br /> <br /> In November 20, 2011, Mariano Rajoy Brey, from the Popular Party (PP), won the elections, and took office on December 20.<br /> <br /> ===Local Government=== <br /> [[File:Plaza Virgen de los Reyes, Seville, Spain 2009.jpg|thumb|left|Plaza Virgen de los Reyes, Seville.]]<br /> The 1978 constitution authorized the creation of regional autonomous governments. By 1985, 17 regions covering all of peninsular Spain, the Canaries, and the Balearic Islands had negotiated autonomy statutes with the central government. In 1979, the first autonomous elections were held in the Basque and Catalan regions, which have the strongest regional traditions by virtue of their history and separate languages. Since then, autonomous governments have been created in the remainder of the 17 regions. The central government continues to devolve powers to the regional governments, which will eventually have full responsibility for health care and education, as well as other social programs.<br /> <br /> Spain is divided into [[political subdivisions of Spain|seventeen autonomous communities]] and two autonomous cities ([[Ceuta]] and [[Melilla]], which are in north Africa next to [[Morocco]]). The seventeen autonomous communities are further divided into fifty provinces.<br /> {{Clear}}<br /> <br /> ===Terrorism===<br /> [[File:ETA.jpg|thumb|Mural with the anagram of Batasuna.]]<br /> The Government of Spain is involved in a long-running campaign against Basque Fatherland and Liberty ([[ETA]]), a [[terrorist]] organization founded in 1959 and dedicated to promoting [[Basque]] independence. ETA targets Spanish security forces, military personnel, Spanish Government officials, and politicians of the Popular Party and the Socialist Party (PSOE.) The group has carried out numerous bombings against Spanish Government facilities and economic targets, including a car bomb assassination attempt on then-opposition leader Aznar in 1995, in which his armored car was destroyed but he was unhurt. The Spanish Government attributes over 800 deaths to ETA terrorism since its campaign of violence began. In recent years, the government has had more success in controlling ETA, due in part to increased security cooperation with [[French]] authorities. <br /> <br /> In November 1999, ETA ended a cease-fire it declared in September 1998. Following the end of that ceasefire, ETA conducted a campaign of violence and has been blamed for the deaths of some 46 Spanish citizens and officials. Each attack has been followed by massive anti-ETA demonstrations around the country, clearly demonstrating that the majority of Spaniards, including the majority of Spain's Basque populace, have no tolerance for continued ETA violence. In March 2006, ETA declared another ceasefire, which it ended in June 2007. The government continues to pursue vigorous counterterrorist policy and has worked closely with its international allies to foil several suspected ETA attacks. <br /> <br /> Spain also contends with a resistance group, commonly known as GRAPO. GRAPO is an urban left-wing terrorist group that seeks to overthrow the Spanish Government and establish a Marxist state. It opposes Spanish participation in NATO and U.S. military presence in Spain and has a long history of assassinations, bombings, and kidnappings mostly against Spanish interests during the 1970s and 1980s. <br /> <br /> In a June 2000 communique following the explosions of two small devices in Barcelona, GRAPO claimed responsibility for several terrorist attacks throughout Spain during the past year. These attacks included two failed armored car robberies, one in which two security officers died, and four bombings of political party offices during the 1999/2000 election campaign. In 2002 and 2003, Spanish and French authorities were successful in hampering the organization's activities through sweeping arrests, including some of the group's leadership. <br /> <br /> Al Qaeda is known to operate cells in Spain. On March 11, 2004, only three days before national elections, 10 bombs were detonated on crowded commuter trains during rush hour. Three were deactivated by security forces and one was found unexploded. Evidence quickly surfaced that jihadist terrorists with possible ties to the al Qaeda network were responsible for the attack that killed 191 people. Spanish investigative services and the judicial system have aggressively sought to arrest and prosecute suspected al Qaeda members and actively cooperate with foreign governments to diminish the transnational terrorist threat. A Spanish court convicted 18 individuals in September 2005 for their role in supporting al Qaeda, and Spanish police disrupted numerous Islamist extremist cells operating in the country. The trial against 29 people for their alleged participation in the Madrid March 11, 2004 terrorist attack started in February 2007, and was declared ready for judgment at the end of June. One of the 29 was absolved during the trial. The prosecutor asked for sentences as high as 30,000 years of jail for some of them. The court is expected to issue the sentence sometime in October 2007.<br /> <br /> ===Principal Government Officials=== <br /> [[File:Barack Obama and Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.jpg|thumb|[[Barack Obama]] and Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.]]<br /> *Chief of State, Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces--King Juan Carlos I <br /> *President of the Government (Prime Minister)-- [[Mariano Rajoy Brey]] <br /> *Minister of Foreign Affairs--Miguel Angel Moratinos <br /> *Ambassador to the United States--Carlos Westendorp y Cabeza<br /> <br /> ===Foreign Relations===<br /> After the return of democracy following the death of General Franco in 1975, Spain's foreign policy priorities were to review the status of its African colonies, expand diplomatic relations, enter the European Community, and define security relations with the West. <br /> [[File:Monumento a Alfonso XII parque del Buen Retiro.jpg|thumb|left|270px|Monument to Alfonso XII, Madrid.]]<br /> As a member of NATO since 1982, Spain has established itself as a major participant in multilateral international security activities. Spain's EU membership represents an important part of its foreign policy. Even on many international issues beyond Western Europe, Spain prefers to coordinate its efforts with its EU partners through the European political cooperation mechanism. <br /> <br /> With the normalization of diplomatic relations with Israel and Albania in 1986, Spain virtually completed the process of universalizing its diplomatic relations. The only country with which it now does not have diplomatic relations is North Korea. <br /> <br /> Spain has maintained its special identification with Latin America. Its policy emphasizes the concept of Hispanidad, a mixture of linguistic, religious, ethnic, cultural, and historical ties binding Spanish-speaking America to Spain. Spain has been an effective example of transition from authoritarianism to democracy, as shown in the many trips that Spain's King and Prime Ministers have made to the region. Spain maintains economic and technical cooperation programs and cultural exchanges with Latin America, both bilaterally and within the EU. <br /> <br /> Spain also continues to focus attention on North [[Africa]], especially on Morocco. This concern is dictated by geographic proximity and long historical contacts, as well as by the two Spanish enclave cities of [[Ceuta]] and Melilla on the northern coast of Africa. While Spain's departure from its former colony of Western Sahara ended direct Spanish participation in Morocco, it maintains an interest in the peaceful resolution of the conflict brought about there by decolonization. These issues were highlighted by a crisis in 2002, when Spanish forces evicted a small contingent of Moroccans from a tiny islet off Morocco's coast following that nation's attempt to assert sovereignty over the island. <br /> <br /> Meanwhile, Spain has gradually begun to broaden its contacts with Sub-Saharan Africa. It has a particular interest in its former colony of Equatorial Guinea, where it maintains a large aid program. <br /> <br /> In relations with the Arab world, Spain has sought to promote European-Mediterranean dialog. Spain strongly supports the EU's "Barcelona Process" which seeks to expand dialog and trade between Europe and the nations of North Africa and the Middle East, including Israel. It is seen by some as too greatly favoring the European Union. Other proposals are on the table, including one put forward by French President Nicolas Sarkozy in 2007. The latest meeting on the Barcelona initiative was held on November 29, 2005. <br /> <br /> Spain has been successful in managing its relations with its two European neighbors, France and Portugal. The accession of Spain and Portugal to the EU has helped ease some of their periodic trade frictions by putting these into an EU context. Franco-Spanish bilateral cooperation is enhanced by joint action against Basque ETA terrorism. Ties with the United Kingdom are generally good, although the question of [[Gibraltar]] remains a sensitive issue.<br /> <br /> ==Economy==<br /> [[File:El Escorial Spain.jpg|thumb|left|320px|El Escorial, an important touristic site.]]<br /> Spain's accession to the European Community--now European Union (EU)--in January 1986 required the country to open its economy to trade and investment, modernize its industrial base, improve infrastructure, and revise economic legislation to conform to EU guidelines. In doing so, Spain increased gross domestic product (GDP) growth, reduced the public debt to GDP ratio, reduced unemployment from 23% in 1986 to 8.47% in first quarter 2007, and reduced [[inflation]] to under 3%. The fundamental challenges remaining for Spain include decreasing unemployment further, reforming labor laws lowering inflation, and raising per capita GDP. <br /> <br /> Following peak growth years in the late 1980s, the Spanish economy entered into recession in mid-1992. The economy recovered during the first Aznar administration (1996-2000), driven by a return of consumer confidence and increased private consumption, although growth has slowed in recent years. Unemployment remains a problem at 8.47% (2007, first quarter), but this still represents a significant improvement from previous levels. Devaluations of the peseta during the 1990s made Spanish exports more competitive, but the strength of the euro since its adoption has raised recent concerns that Spanish exports are being priced out of the range of foreign buyers.<br /> <br /> Following the financial problems starting in the [[USA]] the economy of Spain had serious problems. These were handled very badly by the socialist government then in power.<br /> <br /> ==History==<br /> [[File:Testamento Isabel la Catolica PDWC.jpg|thumb|Will of Isabel I, Queen of Castile.]]<br /> See [[History of Spain]]<br /> [[Image:Sorolla The Jota (Aragon ).jpg|thumb|left|The Jota (Aragon) by [[Joaquín Sorolla]]]]<br /> <br /> <br /> ==The leisure activities==<br /> <br /> The so-called national sport of Spain is the [[bullfighting]].<br /> <br /> <br /> [[File:Goya Jovellanos 1798.jpg|200px|center|Melchor de Jovellanos by [[Francisco de Goya]], 1798.]]<br /> <br /> == See also ==<br /> <br /> *[[Spanish Painting]]<br /> *[[Gallery of Spanish Masterpieces]]<br /> *[[Famous Spanish Artists]]<br /> <br /> == External links ==<br /> <br /> *[https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sp.html Spain] CIA - The World Factbook.<br /> *[http://www.okspain.org/ The Tourist Office of Spain]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> <references/><br /> <br /> <br /> {{Copyright Details (US Government)}} <br /> <br /> {{European Union}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:European Countries]]<br /> [[Category:NATO members]]<br /> [[Category:Christian-Majority Countries]]<br /> [[Category:Spain]]<br /> [[Category:Spanish Empire]]<br /> [[Category:Spanish History]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Spain&diff=1054807 Spain 2013-06-05T13:00:21Z

<p>Rafael: /* Government and Political Conditions */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Country<br /> |name =''Spain''<br /> |map =Spain rel82.jpg<br /> |map2 =Spain location.png<br /> |flag =Flag of Spain.png<br /> |arms =Spanish arms.png<br /> |capital =Madrid<br /> |capital-raw =<br /> |government =Constitutional Monarchy<br /> |government-raw =<br /> |language =Spanish<br /> |king =Juan Carlos I<br /> |queen =<br /> |monarch-raw =<br /> |president =<br /> |president-raw =<br /> |chancellor =<br /> |chancellor-raw =<br /> |pm =Mariano Rajoy Brey (Since December 2011)<br /> |pm-raw =<br /> |area =195,364 sq mi<br /> |pop =46,754,000<br /> |pop-basis =2011<br /> |gdp =$1.261 trillion <br /> |gdp-year =2006<br /> |gdp-pc =$27,767 <br /> |currency =Euro <br /> |idd =<br /> |tld =<br /> }}<br /> '''Spain''' (Officially The Kingdom of Spain, in Spanish: Reino de España)is a European country located on the [[Iberian Peninsula]], bordered by [[Portugal]] and the [[Atlantic Ocean]] to the [[west]], [[Gibraltar]] to the [[south]], the [[Mediterranean Sea]] to the east, [[France]] and [[Andorra]] to the [[north]]. [[Portugal]] is located on the same peninsula. Spain is a member of the European Union and the NATO, and an US- Ally. <br /> <br /> Spain is the winner of the 2010 [[World Cup]].<br /> <br /> <br><br /> [[File:Spain World Cup.jpg|left|340px]]<br /> <br /> <br><br /> ==People==<br /> [[File:People of Spain.jpg|left|240px]]<br /> Spain's population density, lower than that of most European countries, is roughly equivalent to New England's. In recent years, following a longstanding pattern in the rest of Europe, rural populations are moving to cities. Urban areas are also experiencing a significant increase in immigrant populations, chiefly from North Africa, [[America (continent)|America]], and Eastern Europe. Distinct ethnic groups within Spain include the Basques, Catalans, and Galicians. They compromise 91% of the population, 8% are Eastern European immigrants and North Africans number roughly 1%.<br /> <br /> Spain has no official religion. The constitution of 1978 disestablished the [[Roman Catholic Church]] as the official state [[religion]], while recognizing the role it plays in Spanish society. More than 90% of the population is at least nominally Catholic. Among the remaining population, there are about 1.2 million evangelical Christians and other Protestants (2006 est.), 1 million Muslims (2006 est.) and 48,000 Jews (2006 est.). <br /> <br /> ====Educational System==== <br /> About 70% of Spain's student population attends public schools or universities. The remainder attend private schools or universities, the great majority of which are operated by the Catholic Church. Compulsory education begins with primary school or general basic education for ages 6-16. It is free in public schools and in many private schools, most of which receive government subsidies. Following graduation, students attend either a secondary school offering a general high school diploma or a school of professional education (corresponding to grades 9-12 in the United States) offering a vocational training program. The Spanish university system offers degree and post-graduate programs in all fields--law, sciences, humanities, and medicine--and the superior technical schools offer programs in engineering and architecture.<br /> <br /> ==Government and Political Conditions==<br /> [[File:Francisco Franco.jpg|thumb|left|Francisco Franco.]]<br /> <br /> Parliamentary democracy was restored following the death of General [[Francisco Franco]] in 1975, who had ruled since the end of the civil war in 1939. The 1978 constitution established Spain as a parliamentary monarchy, with the prime minister responsible to the bicameral Cortes (Congress of Deputies and Senate) elected every 4 years. On February 23, 1981, rebel pro-Franco elements among the security forces seized the Cortes and tried to impose a military-backed government. However, the great majority of the military forces remained loyal to King Juan Carlos, who used his personal authority to put down the bloodless coup attempt. <br /> <br /> In October 1982, the Spanish Socialist Workers Party (PSOE), led by [[Felipe Gonzalez]], swept both the Congress of Deputies and Senate, winning an absolute majority. Gonzalez and the PSOE ruled for the next 13 years. During that period, Spain joined the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and the European Community. <br /> <br /> In March 1996, [[Jose Maria Aznar]]'s Popular Party (PP) won a plurality of votes. Aznar moved to decentralize powers to the regions and liberalize the economy, with a program of privatization, labor market reform, and measures designed to increase competition in selected markets. During Aznar's first term, Spain fully integrated into European institutions, qualifying for the European Monetary Union. During this period, Spain participated, along with the United States and other NATO allies, in military operations in the former Yugoslavia. President Aznar and the PP won reelection in March 2000, obtaining absolute majorities in both houses of parliament. <br /> [[Image:Cantabria Santoña.jpg|thumb|240px|Santoña, Cantabria.]]<br /> After the terrorist attacks on the U.S. on September 11, 2001, President Aznar became a key ally in the fight against terrorism. Spain backed the military action against the Taliban in [[Afghanistan]] and took a leadership role within the European Union (EU) in pushing for increased international cooperation on terrorism. The Aznar government, with a rotating seat on the UN Security Council, supported the intervention in [[Iraq]]. <br /> <br /> Spanish parliamentary elections on March 14, 2004 came only three days after a devastating terrorist attack on Madrid commuter rail lines that killed 191 and wounded over 1,400. With large voter turnout, PSOE won the election and its leader, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, took office on April 17, 2004. Carrying out campaign promises, the Zapatero government immediately withdrew Spanish forces from Iraq but has continued to support Iraq reconstruction efforts. The Zapatero government has supported coalition efforts in Afghanistan, including maintaining troop support for 2004 and 2005 elections, supported reconstruction efforts in Haiti, sent troops to UNIFIL in Lebanon, and cooperated on counterterrorism issues and many other issues of importance to the U.S. <br /> <br /> In 2005, the Spanish Parliament approved a same-sex marriage bill. <br /> <br /> In November 20, 2011, Mariano Rajoy Brey, from the Popular Party (PP), won the elections, and took office on December 20.<br /> <br /> ===Local Government=== <br /> [[File:Plaza Virgen de los Reyes, Seville, Spain 2009.jpg|thumb|left|Plaza Virgen de los Reyes, Seville.]]<br /> The 1978 constitution authorized the creation of regional autonomous governments. By 1985, 17 regions covering all of peninsular Spain, the Canaries, and the Balearic Islands had negotiated autonomy statutes with the central government. In 1979, the first autonomous elections were held in the Basque and Catalan regions, which have the strongest regional traditions by virtue of their history and separate languages. Since then, autonomous governments have been created in the remainder of the 17 regions. The central government continues to devolve powers to the regional governments, which will eventually have full responsibility for health care and education, as well as other social programs.<br /> <br /> Spain is divided into [[political subdivisions of Spain|seventeen autonomous communities]] and two autonomous cities ([[Ceuta]] and [[Melilla]], which are in north Africa next to [[Morocco]]). The seventeen autonomous communities are further divided into fifty provinces.<br /> {{Clear}}<br /> <br /> ===Terrorism===<br /> [[File:ETA.jpg|thumb|Mural with the anagram of Batasuna.]]<br /> The Government of Spain is involved in a long-running campaign against Basque Fatherland and Liberty ([[ETA]]), a [[terrorist]] organization founded in 1959 and dedicated to promoting [[Basque]] independence. ETA targets Spanish security forces, military personnel, Spanish Government officials, and politicians of the Popular Party and the Socialist Party (PSOE.) The group has carried out numerous bombings against Spanish Government facilities and economic targets, including a car bomb assassination attempt on then-opposition leader Aznar in 1995, in which his armored car was destroyed but he was unhurt. The Spanish Government attributes over 800 deaths to ETA terrorism since its campaign of violence began. In recent years, the government has had more success in controlling ETA, due in part to increased security cooperation with [[French]] authorities. <br /> <br /> In November 1999, ETA ended a cease-fire it declared in September 1998. Following the end of that ceasefire, ETA conducted a campaign of violence and has been blamed for the deaths of some 46 Spanish citizens and officials. Each attack has been followed by massive anti-ETA demonstrations around the country, clearly demonstrating that the majority of Spaniards, including the majority of Spain's Basque populace, have no tolerance for continued ETA violence. In March 2006, ETA declared another ceasefire, which it ended in June 2007. The government continues to pursue vigorous counterterrorist policy and has worked closely with its international allies to foil several suspected ETA attacks. <br /> <br /> Spain also contends with a resistance group, commonly known as GRAPO. GRAPO is an urban left-wing terrorist group that seeks to overthrow the Spanish Government and establish a Marxist state. It opposes Spanish participation in NATO and U.S. military presence in Spain and has a long history of assassinations, bombings, and kidnappings mostly against Spanish interests during the 1970s and 1980s. <br /> <br /> In a June 2000 communique following the explosions of two small devices in Barcelona, GRAPO claimed responsibility for several terrorist attacks throughout Spain during the past year. These attacks included two failed armored car robberies, one in which two security officers died, and four bombings of political party offices during the 1999/2000 election campaign. In 2002 and 2003, Spanish and French authorities were successful in hampering the organization's activities through sweeping arrests, including some of the group's leadership. <br /> <br /> Al Qaeda is known to operate cells in Spain. On March 11, 2004, only three days before national elections, 10 bombs were detonated on crowded commuter trains during rush hour. Three were deactivated by security forces and one was found unexploded. Evidence quickly surfaced that jihadist terrorists with possible ties to the al Qaeda network were responsible for the attack that killed 191 people. Spanish investigative services and the judicial system have aggressively sought to arrest and prosecute suspected al Qaeda members and actively cooperate with foreign governments to diminish the transnational terrorist threat. A Spanish court convicted 18 individuals in September 2005 for their role in supporting al Qaeda, and Spanish police disrupted numerous Islamist extremist cells operating in the country. The trial against 29 people for their alleged participation in the Madrid March 11, 2004 terrorist attack started in February 2007, and was declared ready for judgment at the end of June. One of the 29 was absolved during the trial. The prosecutor asked for sentences as high as 30,000 years of jail for some of them. The court is expected to issue the sentence sometime in October 2007.<br /> <br /> ===Principal Government Officials=== <br /> [[File:Barack Obama and Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.jpg|thumb|[[Barack Obama]] and Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.]]<br /> *Chief of State, Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces--King Juan Carlos I <br /> *President of the Government (Prime Minister)-- [[Mariano Rajoy Brey]] <br /> *Minister of Foreign Affairs--Miguel Angel Moratinos <br /> *Ambassador to the United States--Carlos Westendorp y Cabeza<br /> <br /> ===Foreign Relations===<br /> After the return of democracy following the death of General Franco in 1975, Spain's foreign policy priorities were to break out of the diplomatic isolation of the Franco years and expand diplomatic relations, enter the European Community, and define security relations with the West. <br /> [[File:Monumento a Alfonso XII parque del Buen Retiro.jpg|thumb|left|270px|Monument to Alfonso XII, Madrid.]]<br /> As a member of NATO since 1982, Spain has established itself as a major participant in multilateral international security activities. Spain's EU membership represents an important part of its foreign policy. Even on many international issues beyond Western Europe, Spain prefers to coordinate its efforts with its EU partners through the European political cooperation mechanism. <br /> <br /> With the normalization of diplomatic relations with Israel and Albania in 1986, Spain virtually completed the process of universalizing its diplomatic relations. The only country with which it now does not have diplomatic relations is North Korea. <br /> <br /> Spain has maintained its special identification with Latin America. Its policy emphasizes the concept of Hispanidad, a mixture of linguistic, religious, ethnic, cultural, and historical ties binding Spanish-speaking America to Spain. Spain has been an effective example of transition from authoritarianism to democracy, as shown in the many trips that Spain's King and Prime Ministers have made to the region. Spain maintains economic and technical cooperation programs and cultural exchanges with Latin America, both bilaterally and within the EU. <br /> <br /> Spain also continues to focus attention on North [[Africa]], especially on Morocco. This concern is dictated by geographic proximity and long historical contacts, as well as by the two Spanish enclave cities of [[Ceuta]] and Melilla on the northern coast of Africa. While Spain's departure from its former colony of Western Sahara ended direct Spanish participation in Morocco, it maintains an interest in the peaceful resolution of the conflict brought about there by decolonization. These issues were highlighted by a crisis in 2002, when Spanish forces evicted a small contingent of Moroccans from a tiny islet off Morocco's coast following that nation's attempt to assert sovereignty over the island. <br /> <br /> Meanwhile, Spain has gradually begun to broaden its contacts with Sub-Saharan Africa. It has a particular interest in its former colony of Equatorial Guinea, where it maintains a large aid program. <br /> <br /> In relations with the Arab world, Spain has sought to promote European-Mediterranean dialog. Spain strongly supports the EU's "Barcelona Process" which seeks to expand dialog and trade between Europe and the nations of North Africa and the Middle East, including Israel. It is seen by some as too greatly favoring the European Union. Other proposals are on the table, including one put forward by French President Nicolas Sarkozy in 2007. The latest meeting on the Barcelona initiative was held on November 29, 2005. <br /> <br /> Spain has been successful in managing its relations with its two European neighbors, France and Portugal. The accession of Spain and Portugal to the EU has helped ease some of their periodic trade frictions by putting these into an EU context. Franco-Spanish bilateral cooperation is enhanced by joint action against Basque ETA terrorism. Ties with the United Kingdom are generally good, although the question of [[Gibraltar]] remains a sensitive issue.<br /> <br /> ==Economy==<br /> [[File:El Escorial Spain.jpg|thumb|left|320px|El Escorial, an important touristic site.]]<br /> Spain's accession to the European Community--now European Union (EU)--in January 1986 required the country to open its economy to trade and investment, modernize its industrial base, improve infrastructure, and revise economic legislation to conform to EU guidelines. In doing so, Spain increased gross domestic product (GDP) growth, reduced the public debt to GDP ratio, reduced unemployment from 23% in 1986 to 8.47% in first quarter 2007, and reduced [[inflation]] to under 3%. The fundamental challenges remaining for Spain include decreasing unemployment further, reforming labor laws lowering inflation, and raising per capita GDP. <br /> <br /> Following peak growth years in the late 1980s, the Spanish economy entered into recession in mid-1992. The economy recovered during the first Aznar administration (1996-2000), driven by a return of consumer confidence and increased private consumption, although growth has slowed in recent years. Unemployment remains a problem at 8.47% (2007, first quarter), but this still represents a significant improvement from previous levels. Devaluations of the peseta during the 1990s made Spanish exports more competitive, but the strength of the euro since its adoption has raised recent concerns that Spanish exports are being priced out of the range of foreign buyers.<br /> <br /> Following the financial problems starting in the [[USA]] the economy of Spain had serious problems. These were handled very badly by the socialist government then in power.<br /> <br /> ==History==<br /> [[File:Testamento Isabel la Catolica PDWC.jpg|thumb|Will of Isabel I, Queen of Castile.]]<br /> See [[History of Spain]]<br /> [[Image:Sorolla The Jota (Aragon ).jpg|thumb|left|The Jota (Aragon) by [[Joaquín Sorolla]]]]<br /> <br /> <br /> ==The leisure activities==<br /> <br /> The so-called national sport of Spain is the [[bullfighting]].<br /> <br /> <br /> [[File:Goya Jovellanos 1798.jpg|200px|center|Melchor de Jovellanos by [[Francisco de Goya]], 1798.]]<br /> <br /> == See also ==<br /> <br /> *[[Spanish Painting]]<br /> *[[Gallery of Spanish Masterpieces]]<br /> *[[Famous Spanish Artists]]<br /> <br /> == External links ==<br /> <br /> *[https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sp.html Spain] CIA - The World Factbook.<br /> *[http://www.okspain.org/ The Tourist Office of Spain]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> <references/><br /> <br /> <br /> {{Copyright Details (US Government)}} <br /> <br /> {{European Union}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:European Countries]]<br /> [[Category:NATO members]]<br /> [[Category:Christian-Majority Countries]]<br /> [[Category:Spain]]<br /> [[Category:Spanish Empire]]<br /> [[Category:Spanish History]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Spain&diff=1054806 Talk:Spain 2013-06-05T12:59:06Z

<p>Rafael: /* Diplomatic isolation? */</p> <hr /> <div>Depiction of Spain given in this article buys many left-wing topics. I suppose the author is (are) not fully aware that they are spreading false (and therefore unconservative) data about Spain.<br /> <br /> I don't mean that all is wrong. In fact, it is one of the least scandalously liberal-leaning articles about Spain that I have read in foreing media. But it's a liberal description, after all. In my conservative opinion, not really truthful, not conservative. No, sir.<br /> <br /> == Diplomatic isolation? ==<br /> <br /> Spain diplomatic isolation ended soon after the second world war. Recognising Franco's regime as a potentially unstable bulwark against Communism, US began in the late 40s. By the early 60s, the US had bases in Spain and was paying for massive road and power projects. At that time, Spain was part of the UN and co-operated fully with NATO. Although, Spain refused to formally recognise Israel or the Warsaw Pact countries while Franco was alive, there was intergovernmental cooperation and full trade relations. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] 08:58, 5 June 2013 (EDT)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Spain&diff=1054805 Talk:Spain 2013-06-05T12:58:08Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>Depiction of Spain given in this article buys many left-wing topics. I suppose the author is (are) not fully aware that they are spreading false (and therefore unconservative) data about Spain.<br /> <br /> I don't mean that all is wrong. In fact, it is one of the least scandalously liberal-leaning articles about Spain that I have read in foreing media. But it's a liberal description, after all. In my conservative opinion, not really truthful, not conservative. No, sir.<br /> <br /> == Diplomatic isolation? ==<br /> <br /> Spain diplomatic isolation ended soon after the second world war. Recognising Franco's regime as a potentially unstable bulwark against Communism, US began in the late 40s. By the early 60s, the US had bases in Spain and was paying for massive road and power projects. At that time, Spain was part of the UN and NATO. Although, Spain refused to formally recognise Israel or the Warsaw Pact countries while Franco was alive, there was intergovernmental cooperation and full trade relations. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] 08:58, 5 June 2013 (EDT)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=History_of_Spain&diff=1054804 History of Spain 2013-06-05T12:49:47Z

<p>Rafael: /* 19th century */</p> <hr /> <div>The '''History of Spain''' covers the region from prehistory to the 1980s. For recent events see [[Spain]]<br /> <br /> ==Prehistory==<br /> The Iberian Peninsula has been settled for millennium. In fact, some of Europe's most impressive Paleolithic cultural sites are <br /> located in Spain, including the famous caves at Altamira that contain spectacular paintings dating from about 15,000 to 25,000 years ago. The Basques, Europe's oldest surviving group, are also the first identifiable people of the peninsula. <br /> ==Roman Empire==<br /> Beginning in the ninth century BC, Phoenicians, [[Greeks]], Carthaginians, and Celts entered the Iberian Peninsula. The [[Roman]]s followed in the second century BC and laid the groundwork for Spain's present language, religion, and laws. Although the Visigoths arrived in the fifth century AD, the last Roman strongholds along the southern coast did not fall until the seventh century AD. <br /> ===Medieval Era===<br /> The building of a strong centralized power in the medieval period represented the victory of the crown over other power institutions, such as the nobility or self-governing towns.<br /> <br /> ====Muslims and Crusaders: 711-1492====<br /> In 711, North African Moors sailed across the straits, swept into Andalusia, and within a few years, pushed the Visigoths up the peninsula to the Cantabrian Mountains. The ''Reconquista'' (wars to drive out the Moors) lasted until complete success was achieved in 1492. By 1512, the unification of present-day Spain was complete. <br /> <br /> Muslims crossed from Africa into Spain early in the eighth century and in 711 at the battle of Río Barbate, they defeated the Visigoths and pressed forward to capture Toledo. By 718, the Moors (the name given North African Muslims by the Spaniards) had completed their conquest of the Iberian Peninsula, except for small Christian remnants in the Pyrenees. They remained on for the next 674 years until driven out by Spanish and Portuguese Christians.<br /> <br /> The period of the Spanish Crusades began in the eleventh century when a religious revival was initiated by Cluniac monks in the small kingdoms in the north of Spain, which had recovered some of their lost territory. The revival expressed itself in a growing hatred for the infidel. Slowly yet steadily, at first sparked mainly by Burgundians and Normans from France, the Christians began to force the Moors out of northern and central Spain. Known as the [[Wars of the Reconquest]], these centuries-long conflicts intensified the Catholic sentiments of the people, developing an intense, even fanatical unity of religion and patriotism which was long characteristic of the Spaniards.<br /> <br /> By the middle of the 15th century, the last bastion of Moorish power on the peninsula was the kingdom of Granada in southwestern Spain. When the marriage of Isabella, Queen of Castile, to Ferdinand, Prince of Aragon, in 1469 united Spain, they vigorously began their last campaign against the Moors. In January 1492 the Spanish entered the city of Granada and Moorish power ended in Europe. The expulsion of the Moors from Spain may be considered the last of the many medieval crusades.<ref> Charles Julian Bishko, "The Spanish and Portuguese Reconquest, 1095-1492" in [http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/History/History-idx?type=goto&id=History.CrusThree&isize=M&page=396 H. W. Hazard, ed. ''The fourteenth and fifteenth centuries''] (1975) pp 396-456</ref><br /> ===Myths and memory===<br /> he myth of Al-Andalus, the Arab-Islamic civilization of medieval Spain centered in Andalusia, was probably born among exiled Muslims in the 16th century. With the return of democracy in the 1970s, most Spaniards came to accept Al-Andalus proudly as part of their history, and it became a symbol of tolerance, even if the level of tolerance of Christians and Jews as second-class subjects in Al-Andalus would not be acceptable today. Nevertheless, Al-Andalus has been very useful to Spain as a platform for dialogue with Arab nations and the broader Muslim world. <br /> ==European power==<br /> * See also [[Charles V of Spain]] king (1500-1558) <br /> * [[Philip II of Spain]] king 1527-1598 <br /> * [[Spanish Armada]]<br /> <br /> [[Image:Armada2.jpg|thumb|550px|The [[Spanish Armada]] of 1588 was a catastrophic failure when it tried to invade England]]<br /> <br /> During the 16th century, Spain became the most powerful nation in Europe, due to the immense wealth derived from its presence in the Americas. But a series of long, costly wars and revolts, capped by the defeat by the English of the "Invincible Armada" in 1588, began a steady decline of Spanish power in Europe. Controversy over succession to the throne consumed the country during the 18th century, leading to an occupation by France during the Napoleonic era in the early 1800s and a series of armed conflicts throughout much of the 19th century.<br /> <br /> In the late 18th century Spain at last attempted to reform the administration of its colonies. Some progress was made, but the improvements also stimulated a demand for more autonomy and even independence on the part of the creoles (people of Spanish descent born in the colonies).<br /> ==19th century==<br /> Spain had built a large empire, primarily in South America and Central America; most of the colonies revolted about 1820, and many of the remainder were lost in 1898. Historians explain the collapse on an anticolonial, national consciousness among Creoles; peninsular misrule and economic mismanagement; and the seismic effects of geopolitical upheaval, particularly the Napoleonic occupation of Spain.<ref> Gabriel Paquette, "The Dissolution of the Spanish Atlantic Monarchy". ''Historical Journal'' 2009 52(1): 175-212 </ref><br /> <br /> Internally, Spain was in turmoil, with three wars over the succession issue; the Carlist Wars that pitted conservative against liberal and led to the brief ousting of the monarchy and establishment of the First Republic (1873-74); and, finally, the [[Spanish-American War]] of 1898, in which Spain lost [[Cuba]], [[Puerto Rico]], and the [[Philippines]] to the United States.<br /> <br /> The loss of the War of 1898 reopened divisions between traditionalist conservatives and reformist liberals, causing deep cultural and political rifts that have still not completely healed.<br /> <br /> ==20th century==<br /> <br /> [[Image:Sorolla Alphonso XIII .jpg|thumb|200px|Alphonso XIII (1886-1941), reigned 1886-1931. In Hussars Uniform by [[Joaquín Sorolla]].]]<br /> <br /> A period of dictatorial rule (1923-31) ended with the establishment of the Second Republic. It was dominated by increasing political polarization, culminating in the leftist Popular Front electoral victory in 1936. Pressures from all sides, coupled with growing and unchecked violence, led to the outbreak of the Spanish Civil War in July 1936. <br /> <br /> Following the victory of his nationalist forces in 1939, General Francisco Franco ruled a nation exhausted politically and economically. Spain was officially neutral during World War II but followed a pro-Axis policy. Therefore, the victorious Allies isolated Spain at the beginning of the postwar period, and the country did not join the United Nations until 1955. In 1959, under an International Monetary Fund stabilization plan, the country began liberalizing trade and capital flows, particularly foreign direct investment. <br /> <br /> Despite the success of economic liberalization, Spain remained the most closed economy in Western Europe--judged by the small measure of foreign trade to economic activity--and the pace of reform slackened during the 1960s as the state remained committed to "guiding" the economy. Nevertheless, in the 1960s and 1970s, Spain was transformed into a modern industrial economy with a thriving tourism sector. Its economic expansion led to improved income distribution and helped develop a large middle class. Social changes brought about by economic prosperity and the inflow of new ideas helped set the stage for Spain's transition to democracy during the latter half of the 1970s. <br /> <br /> Upon the death of General Franco in November 1975, Franco's personally designated heir Prince Juan Carlos de Borbon y Borbon assumed the titles of king and chief of state. Dissatisfied with the slow pace of post-Franco liberalization, he replaced Franco's last Prime Minister with Adolfo Suarez in July 1976. Suarez entered office promising that elections would be held within one year, and his government moved to enact a series of laws to liberalize the new regime. Spain's first elections since 1936 to the Cortes (Parliament) were held on June 15, 1977. Prime Minister Suarez's Union of the Democratic Center (UCD), a moderate center-right coalition, won 34% of the vote and the largest bloc of seats in the Cortes. <br /> <br /> Under Suarez, the new Cortes set about drafting a democratic constitution that was overwhelmingly approved by voters in a national referendum in December 1978.<br /> ==Further reading==<br /> * Barton, Simon, ''A History of Spain'' (Palgrave Essential Histories) (2009) [http://www.amazon.com/History-Spain-Palgrave-Essential-Histories/dp/0230200125/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250295307&sr=1-9 excerpt and text search]<br /> * Carr, Raymond, ed. ''Spain: A History'' (2nd ed. 2001), [http://www.amazon.com/Spain-History-Raymond-Carr/dp/0192802364/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250295307&sr=1-4 excerpt and text search]; <br /> * Carr, Raymond. ''Spain 1808-1975'' (2nd ed. 1997), 888pp; outstanding for political and social history [http://www.questia.com/read/51929431?title=Spain%3a%201808-1975 online edition]<br /> * Junco, José Alvarez, and Adrian Shubert, eds. ''Spanish History since 1808'' (2000), essays by scholars <br /> * Kames, Henry. ''A Concise History of Spain'' (1973)[http://www.questia.com/library/book/a-concise-history-of-spain-by-henry-kamen.jsp online edition]<br /> * Lloyd, Alan. ''The Spanish Centuries: A Narrative History of Spain from Ferdinand and Isabella to Franco'' (2002), popular [http://www.amazon.com/Spanish-Centuries-Narrative-Ferdinand-Isabella/dp/038550702X/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250295307&sr=1-11 excerpt and text search]<br /> * O'Callaghan, Joseph Y. ''A History of Medieval Spain'' (1975) 728 pp [http://www.questia.com/library/book/a-history-of-medieval-spain-by-joseph-y-ocallaghan.jsp online edition]<br /> * Pierson, Peter. ''The History of Spain'' (2008) [http://www.amazon.com/History-Greenwood-Histories-Modern-Nations/dp/0313360731/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250295307&sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]; [http://www.questia.com/library/book/the-history-of-spain-by-peter-pierson.jsp online 1999 edition]<br /> * Rodgers, Eamonn, and Valerie Rodgers. ''Encyclopedia of Contemporary Spanish Culture'' (1999). 594 pgs. [http://www.questia.com/library/book/encyclopedia-of-contemporary-spanish-culture-by-eamonn-rodgers-valerie-rodgers.jsp online edition]<br /> <br /> ====references====<br /> <references/><br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Spain, History of}}<br /> [[Category:European History]]<br /> [[Category:Spain]]<br /> [[Category:Spanish History]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Spain&diff=1054803 Talk:History of Spain 2013-06-05T12:48:02Z

<p>Rafael: Created page with "== Spanish colonies == Not all the Spanish colonies were lost in 1898. Fernando Poo, Spanish Sahara and most of Morocco were held by Spain until the 60s/70s and, even today, Ce..."</p> <hr /> <div>== Spanish colonies ==<br /> <br /> Not all the Spanish colonies were lost in 1898. Fernando Poo, Spanish Sahara and most of Morocco were held by Spain until the 60s/70s and, even today, Ceuta and Melilla in Morocco are still run by the Spanish. [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] 08:48, 5 June 2013 (EDT)</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=History_of_Spain&diff=1054802 History of Spain 2013-06-05T12:45:52Z

<p>Rafael: /* 19th century */</p> <hr /> <div>The '''History of Spain''' covers the region from prehistory to the 1980s. For recent events see [[Spain]]<br /> <br /> ==Prehistory==<br /> The Iberian Peninsula has been settled for millennium. In fact, some of Europe's most impressive Paleolithic cultural sites are <br /> located in Spain, including the famous caves at Altamira that contain spectacular paintings dating from about 15,000 to 25,000 years ago. The Basques, Europe's oldest surviving group, are also the first identifiable people of the peninsula. <br /> ==Roman Empire==<br /> Beginning in the ninth century BC, Phoenicians, [[Greeks]], Carthaginians, and Celts entered the Iberian Peninsula. The [[Roman]]s followed in the second century BC and laid the groundwork for Spain's present language, religion, and laws. Although the Visigoths arrived in the fifth century AD, the last Roman strongholds along the southern coast did not fall until the seventh century AD. <br /> ===Medieval Era===<br /> The building of a strong centralized power in the medieval period represented the victory of the crown over other power institutions, such as the nobility or self-governing towns.<br /> <br /> ====Muslims and Crusaders: 711-1492====<br /> In 711, North African Moors sailed across the straits, swept into Andalusia, and within a few years, pushed the Visigoths up the peninsula to the Cantabrian Mountains. The ''Reconquista'' (wars to drive out the Moors) lasted until complete success was achieved in 1492. By 1512, the unification of present-day Spain was complete. <br /> <br /> Muslims crossed from Africa into Spain early in the eighth century and in 711 at the battle of Río Barbate, they defeated the Visigoths and pressed forward to capture Toledo. By 718, the Moors (the name given North African Muslims by the Spaniards) had completed their conquest of the Iberian Peninsula, except for small Christian remnants in the Pyrenees. They remained on for the next 674 years until driven out by Spanish and Portuguese Christians.<br /> <br /> The period of the Spanish Crusades began in the eleventh century when a religious revival was initiated by Cluniac monks in the small kingdoms in the north of Spain, which had recovered some of their lost territory. The revival expressed itself in a growing hatred for the infidel. Slowly yet steadily, at first sparked mainly by Burgundians and Normans from France, the Christians began to force the Moors out of northern and central Spain. Known as the [[Wars of the Reconquest]], these centuries-long conflicts intensified the Catholic sentiments of the people, developing an intense, even fanatical unity of religion and patriotism which was long characteristic of the Spaniards.<br /> <br /> By the middle of the 15th century, the last bastion of Moorish power on the peninsula was the kingdom of Granada in southwestern Spain. When the marriage of Isabella, Queen of Castile, to Ferdinand, Prince of Aragon, in 1469 united Spain, they vigorously began their last campaign against the Moors. In January 1492 the Spanish entered the city of Granada and Moorish power ended in Europe. The expulsion of the Moors from Spain may be considered the last of the many medieval crusades.<ref> Charles Julian Bishko, "The Spanish and Portuguese Reconquest, 1095-1492" in [http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/History/History-idx?type=goto&id=History.CrusThree&isize=M&page=396 H. W. Hazard, ed. ''The fourteenth and fifteenth centuries''] (1975) pp 396-456</ref><br /> ===Myths and memory===<br /> he myth of Al-Andalus, the Arab-Islamic civilization of medieval Spain centered in Andalusia, was probably born among exiled Muslims in the 16th century. With the return of democracy in the 1970s, most Spaniards came to accept Al-Andalus proudly as part of their history, and it became a symbol of tolerance, even if the level of tolerance of Christians and Jews as second-class subjects in Al-Andalus would not be acceptable today. Nevertheless, Al-Andalus has been very useful to Spain as a platform for dialogue with Arab nations and the broader Muslim world. <br /> ==European power==<br /> * See also [[Charles V of Spain]] king (1500-1558) <br /> * [[Philip II of Spain]] king 1527-1598 <br /> * [[Spanish Armada]]<br /> <br /> [[Image:Armada2.jpg|thumb|550px|The [[Spanish Armada]] of 1588 was a catastrophic failure when it tried to invade England]]<br /> <br /> During the 16th century, Spain became the most powerful nation in Europe, due to the immense wealth derived from its presence in the Americas. But a series of long, costly wars and revolts, capped by the defeat by the English of the "Invincible Armada" in 1588, began a steady decline of Spanish power in Europe. Controversy over succession to the throne consumed the country during the 18th century, leading to an occupation by France during the Napoleonic era in the early 1800s and a series of armed conflicts throughout much of the 19th century.<br /> <br /> In the late 18th century Spain at last attempted to reform the administration of its colonies. Some progress was made, but the improvements also stimulated a demand for more autonomy and even independence on the part of the creoles (people of Spanish descent born in the colonies).<br /> ==19th century==<br /> Spain had built a large empire, primarily in South America and Central America; most of the colonies revolted about 1820, and many of the remainder were lost in 1898. Historians explain the collapse on an anticolonial, national consciousness among Creoles; peninsular misrule and economic mismanagement; and the seismic effects of geopolitical upheaval, particularly the Napoleonic occupation of Spain.<ref> Gabriel Paquette, "The Dissolution of the Spanish Atlantic Monarchy". ''Historical Journal'' 2009 52(1): 175-212 </ref><br /> <br /> Internally, Spain was in turmoil, with three wars over the succession issue; the Carlist Wars that pitted conservative against liberal and led to the brief ousting of the monarchy and establishment of the First Republic (1873-74); and, finally, the [[Spanish-American War]] of 1898, in which Spain lost [[Cuba]], [[Puerto Rico]], and the [[Philippines]] to the United States.<br /> <br /> ==20th century==<br /> <br /> [[Image:Sorolla Alphonso XIII .jpg|thumb|200px|Alphonso XIII (1886-1941), reigned 1886-1931. In Hussars Uniform by [[Joaquín Sorolla]].]]<br /> <br /> A period of dictatorial rule (1923-31) ended with the establishment of the Second Republic. It was dominated by increasing political polarization, culminating in the leftist Popular Front electoral victory in 1936. Pressures from all sides, coupled with growing and unchecked violence, led to the outbreak of the Spanish Civil War in July 1936. <br /> <br /> Following the victory of his nationalist forces in 1939, General Francisco Franco ruled a nation exhausted politically and economically. Spain was officially neutral during World War II but followed a pro-Axis policy. Therefore, the victorious Allies isolated Spain at the beginning of the postwar period, and the country did not join the United Nations until 1955. In 1959, under an International Monetary Fund stabilization plan, the country began liberalizing trade and capital flows, particularly foreign direct investment. <br /> <br /> Despite the success of economic liberalization, Spain remained the most closed economy in Western Europe--judged by the small measure of foreign trade to economic activity--and the pace of reform slackened during the 1960s as the state remained committed to "guiding" the economy. Nevertheless, in the 1960s and 1970s, Spain was transformed into a modern industrial economy with a thriving tourism sector. Its economic expansion led to improved income distribution and helped develop a large middle class. Social changes brought about by economic prosperity and the inflow of new ideas helped set the stage for Spain's transition to democracy during the latter half of the 1970s. <br /> <br /> Upon the death of General Franco in November 1975, Franco's personally designated heir Prince Juan Carlos de Borbon y Borbon assumed the titles of king and chief of state. Dissatisfied with the slow pace of post-Franco liberalization, he replaced Franco's last Prime Minister with Adolfo Suarez in July 1976. Suarez entered office promising that elections would be held within one year, and his government moved to enact a series of laws to liberalize the new regime. Spain's first elections since 1936 to the Cortes (Parliament) were held on June 15, 1977. Prime Minister Suarez's Union of the Democratic Center (UCD), a moderate center-right coalition, won 34% of the vote and the largest bloc of seats in the Cortes. <br /> <br /> Under Suarez, the new Cortes set about drafting a democratic constitution that was overwhelmingly approved by voters in a national referendum in December 1978.<br /> ==Further reading==<br /> * Barton, Simon, ''A History of Spain'' (Palgrave Essential Histories) (2009) [http://www.amazon.com/History-Spain-Palgrave-Essential-Histories/dp/0230200125/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250295307&sr=1-9 excerpt and text search]<br /> * Carr, Raymond, ed. ''Spain: A History'' (2nd ed. 2001), [http://www.amazon.com/Spain-History-Raymond-Carr/dp/0192802364/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250295307&sr=1-4 excerpt and text search]; <br /> * Carr, Raymond. ''Spain 1808-1975'' (2nd ed. 1997), 888pp; outstanding for political and social history [http://www.questia.com/read/51929431?title=Spain%3a%201808-1975 online edition]<br /> * Junco, José Alvarez, and Adrian Shubert, eds. ''Spanish History since 1808'' (2000), essays by scholars <br /> * Kames, Henry. ''A Concise History of Spain'' (1973)[http://www.questia.com/library/book/a-concise-history-of-spain-by-henry-kamen.jsp online edition]<br /> * Lloyd, Alan. ''The Spanish Centuries: A Narrative History of Spain from Ferdinand and Isabella to Franco'' (2002), popular [http://www.amazon.com/Spanish-Centuries-Narrative-Ferdinand-Isabella/dp/038550702X/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250295307&sr=1-11 excerpt and text search]<br /> * O'Callaghan, Joseph Y. ''A History of Medieval Spain'' (1975) 728 pp [http://www.questia.com/library/book/a-history-of-medieval-spain-by-joseph-y-ocallaghan.jsp online edition]<br /> * Pierson, Peter. ''The History of Spain'' (2008) [http://www.amazon.com/History-Greenwood-Histories-Modern-Nations/dp/0313360731/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1250295307&sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]; [http://www.questia.com/library/book/the-history-of-spain-by-peter-pierson.jsp online 1999 edition]<br /> * Rodgers, Eamonn, and Valerie Rodgers. ''Encyclopedia of Contemporary Spanish Culture'' (1999). 594 pgs. [http://www.questia.com/library/book/encyclopedia-of-contemporary-spanish-culture-by-eamonn-rodgers-valerie-rodgers.jsp online edition]<br /> <br /> ====references====<br /> <references/><br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Spain, History of}}<br /> [[Category:European History]]<br /> [[Category:Spain]]<br /> [[Category:Spanish History]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Dogger_Bank&diff=1054801 Dogger Bank 2013-06-05T12:43:57Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>'''Dogger Bank''' is an extensive [[sandbank]], around 17,610 sq km, in the central North Sea between Great Britain and Denmark <ref> See [http://encarta.msn.com/map_701512115/Dogger_Bank.html|This map of the Dogger Bank] for the geographical location and some of the more interesting features. </ref> . Important fisheries are located there, notably for [[cod]] and [[red herring]]. <ref> Source: http://www.bartleby.com/65/do/DoggerBa.html (Columbia Encyclopaedia) </ref> <br /> <br /> It is also notable for the Battle of Dogger Bank in 1915, where an important battle was fought in [[World War I]]. On the 23 January 1915 Rear-Admiral Hipper of the German Fleet sailed from the Jade with the 1st and 2nd Scouting Groups of three battlecruisers, the large armored cruiser ''[[Blucher (ship)|Blücher]]'', and four light cruisers intending to invade the Dogger Bank and attack any British light forces in the region. On the British side, the battle initially involved the light cruiser ''Aurora'', one of the first [[Royal Navy]] cruisers to operate an aircraft with a runway being fitted over the forecastle. The hope at the time was was to use the aircraft to intercept [[zeppelin]]s, which had been invading the Dogger Bank. However, as was shown in the battle, the aircraft could not climb fast enough, and later on the runway was removed. The ''Aurora'' was joined later in the battle by the a small fleet consisting of the ''Lion'', the ''Tiger'', the ''Princess Royal'', the ''New Zealand'' and the ''Indomitable''. In the end the British fleet prevailed, and the Dogger Bank was retaken.<ref>for a full account of the battle, see: http://www.worldwar1.co.uk/dogger-bank.html</ref><br /> <br /> A second, but far less important "Battle of Dogger Bank" involving [[Greenpeace]] activists occurred in August 2004<ref>see Greenpeace's account on: http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/node/1332</ref><br /> <br /> On 21 October 1904 ships of the Russian Baltic Fleet, steaming from [[Kronstadt]] to the [[Pacific Ocean]] to support Russian forces in the [[Russo-Japanese War]], opened fire on a fleet of thirty or so British trawlers (fishing boats) at Dogger Bank, having mistaken the vessels for Japanese torpedo-boats. Three fishermen were killed, and the blunder provoked a dangerous diplomaticc dispute between the [[United Kingdom]] and [[Russia]]. In the same incident, Russian ships also fired on each other.<ref>http://www.hullwebs.co.uk/content/l-20c/disaster/dogger-bank/voyage-of-dammed.htm</ref><br /> <br /> It is a part of modern British popular culture, forming part of the daily rhythmic radio shipping forecast: "Fisher, Dogger, German Bight..."<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> {{reflist}}<br /> <br /> [[Category: World War I Battles]]<br /> [[Category:Geography]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Ewan_MacColl&diff=1054126 Ewan MacColl 2013-05-30T20:36:46Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>''Ewan MacColl'' was a Scottish folk singer and almost lifelong member of the [[Communist Party of Great Britain]]. His political opinions heavily influenced the topics of his songs.<br /> <br /> They also influenced his personal life, including leaving his second wife for singer [[Peggy Seeger]].<br /> <br /> [[Category:Scottish People]]<br /> [[Category:Communism]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Dalton%27s_Atomic_Theory&diff=1043732 Dalton's Atomic Theory 2013-03-30T23:29:32Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>'''Dalton's Atomic Theory''' is the theory that formed the basis of our current understanding of [[atom]]s and [[molecule]]s. It is, of course, now archaic, but it's principal assumptions were the foundation of modern atomic theory.<br /> <br /> ==Assumptions==<br /> <br /> # All [[elements]] are composed of small, indivisible particles called "atoms."<br /> # All atoms of the same element have exactly the same properties.<br /> # Atoms of different elements have different properties.<br /> # [[Compound]]s are formed when atoms are joined together. Since atoms are indivisible, they can only join together in simple, whole number ratios.<ref>Wile, Dr. Jay L. ''Exploring Creation With Chemistry''. Apologia Educational Ministries, Inc. 1998</ref><br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> <references/><br /> <br /> [[Category:Chemistry Laws and Principles]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Philadelphia_Experiment&diff=1043730 Philadelphia Experiment 2013-03-30T23:27:19Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:0617302.jpg|right|300px|thumb|USS ''Eldridge'' (DE-173) in 1943.]]<br /> According to some conspiracy theorists and UFOlogists, the '''Philadelphia Experiment''' was a test conducted by the [[United States Navy]] in [[Philadelphia]], [[Pennsylvania]] during [[World War II]]. Points of fact aside, the biggest flaw in the Philadelphia Experiment myth is the central part played by [[Albert Einstein]]'s [[unified field theory]] - Einstein didn't come up with a Unified Field Theory. The alleged object of the experiment was to make a ship and its crew completely disappear from the naked eye as well as to teleport the ship from one location to the other.<br /> <br /> ==Facts of the account==<br /> The ship involved in the experiment was USS ''Eldridge'', a 1240-ton ''Cannon'' class destroyer escort built and commissioned at the New York Navy Yard in 1943. From her operational logs, action reports, and war diary, ''Eldridge'' remained in New York and in the Long Island Sound after her commissioning until 16 September 1943 when she sailed to Bermuda. From 18 September, the ship was in the vicinity of Bermuda undergoing training and sea trials until 15 October when she left in a convoy for New York where they entered on 18 October. ''Eldridge'' remained in New York harbor until 1 November when it was part of the escort for Convoy UGS-23 (New York Section). On 2 November the convoy entered Naval Operating Base, Norfolk. On 3 November, ''Eldridge'' and Convoy UGS-23 left for [[Casablanca]], [[Morocco]] where it arrived on 22 November. On 29 November, ''Eldridge'' left as one of escorts for Convoy GUS-22 and arrived with the convoy on 17 December at New York harbor. ''Eldridge'' remained in New York on availability training and in Block Island Sound until 31 December when it steamed to Norfolk with four other ships. During this time frame, ''Eldridge'' was never in Philadelphia.<br /> <br /> Supposedly, the crew of the civilian merchant ship SS ''Andrew Furuseth'' observed the sudden arrival via teleportation of ''Eldridge'' into the Norfolk area. ''Andrew Furuseth's'' movement report cards are in the Tenth Fleet records in the custody of the Modern Military Branch, National Archives and Records Administration, which also has custody of the action reports, war diaries and deck logs of all World War II Navy ships, including ''Eldridge''. The movement report cards list the merchant ship's ports of call, the dates of the visit, and convoy designation, if any. The movement report card shows that ''Andrew Furuseth'' left Norfolk with Convoy UGS-15 on 16 August 1943 and arrived at Casablanca on 2 September. The ship left Casablanca on 19 September and arrived off Cape Henry on 4 October. ''Andrew Furuseth'' left Norfolk with Convoy UGS-22 on 25 October and arrived at Oran, Morocco on 12 November. The ship remained in the Mediterranean until it returned with Convoy GUS-25 to Hampton Roads on 17 January 1944. In response to queries about the experiment, the Archives has a letter from Lieutenant Junior Grade William S. Dodge, USNR, the commanding officer of ''Andrew Furuseth'' in 1943, categorically denying that he or his crew observed any unusual event while in Norfolk. ''Eldridge'' and ''Andrew Furuseth'' were not even in Norfolk at the same time.<br /> <br /> During 1943-1944, Einstein, who had authored several theories about time, was a part-time consultant with the Navy's Bureau of Ordnance, undertaking theoretical research on explosives and explosions. There is no indication that Einstein was involved in research relevant to invisibility or to teleportation, and the Office of Naval Research has stated that the use of force fields to make a ship and her crew invisible does not conform to known physical laws; indeed, ONR scientists do not believe that such an experiment could be possible except in the realm of science fiction. ONR also claims that Einstein's Unified Field Theory was never completed. <br /> <br /> "Project Rainbow" is another name for the Philadelphia Experiment, but military records show that the code name "RAINBOW" was used for the war plans in place to defeat the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis as early as 1939. "RAINBOW V", the plan in effect on 7 December 1941 when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, was the plan the U.S. used to fight the Axis powers.<br /> <br /> ==Origins==<br /> Some researchers have erroneously concluded that the Philadelphia Experiment has a connection with degaussing. During World War II degaussing was classified "secret"; it involved a process in which a system of electrical cables are installed around the circumference of ship's hull, running from bow to stern on both sides; smaller ships, such as ''Eldridge'', were docked at degaussing facilities in which the cables were draped around the hull. A measured electrical current is passed through these cables to cancel out the ship's magnetic field. The degaussing equipment installed on board could be turned on whenever the ship was in waters that might contain magnetic mines, usually shallow waters in combat areas. Properly done, the ship was made "invisible" to the sensors of magnetic mines and torpedoes, despite remaining visible to radar, listening devices, and the human eye.<br /> <br /> Another likely genesis of the bizarre stories about levitation, teleportation and effects on human crew members might be attributed to experiments with the generating plant of another destroyer, USS ''Timmerman''. In the 1950's this ship was part of an experiment to test the effects of a small, high-frequency generator providing l,000hz instead of the standard 400hz. The higher frequency generator produced corona discharges and other well known phenomena associated with high frequency generators. None of the crew suffered effects from the experiment.<br /> <br /> ''Eldridge'' was stricken from the Naval Register in 1951, and sold to the Royal Hellenic Navy of [[Greece]] as ''Leon''. Her complete World War II action report and war diary coverage, including the remarks section of the 1943 deck log, is available on microfilm, NRS-1978-26, from the Operational Archives of the Department of the Navy.<br /> <br /> Like all New Age nonsense, Conservatives should treat the whole silly idea with skepticism.<br /> <br /> <br /> {| style="width: 100%; background:transparent; border: 2px solid #000099;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="1"<br /> !colspan=2 style="width: 100%; text-align: center; background-color: #000088; color: white; "|'''Copyright Details'''<br /> |-<br /> !style="background-color: #000088; color:white;"|License:<br /> |style=" background-color: none;"| <small>some of the text used for this article is in the [[Public Domain]] in the United States because it is a work of the United States Federal Government under the terms of Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 105 of the U.S. Code</small><br /> |-<br /> !style=" background-color: #000088; color:white;"|Source:<br /> |style="background-color: none;border-top: 2px solid black"| <small>File available from the {{{1|[[United States Federal Government]] [http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq21-1.htm]</small>}}}. <br /> |}<br /> [[Category:United States Navy]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conrad_Hilton&diff=1042746 Conrad Hilton 2013-03-25T21:11:21Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>'''Conrad Nicholson Hilton''' ( 1887 – 1979 ), was an [[American]] business owner, hotel magnate. Born December 25, in San Antonio, [[New Mexico]]. The son of a local grocer, Hilton took over his father's general store at the age of 21. He then entered politics, serving two terms in the New Mexico State Legislature. He bought his first hotel in 1919 in Cisco, [[Texas]] and before his death had expanded his business to thousands of hotels, under several brand names, throughout the world. <ref>[http://www.hiltonworldwide.com/aboutus/index.htm Hilton Hotel Corporation; About Us]</ref> <ref>[http://www.biography.com/articles/Conrad-Hilton-9339383 BIOGRAPHY.COM]</ref><br /> As well as his outstanding business success, Hilton was notable for his strong position on gun control. As he explained in his autobiography, Be My Guest, he believed that free gun ownership raised the stakes in pretty much any argument, was more dangerous to gun owners than to the unarmed, and was generally a plague on American public life.<br /> <br /> <br /> == Also See ==<br /> * [[Hilton Hotels]]<br /> * [[Paris Hilton]]<br /> <br /> == References ==<br /> {{Reflist}}<br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT:Hilton, Conrad}}<br /> [[Category:Business]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Art_Nouveau&diff=1041569 Art Nouveau 2013-03-19T20:24:56Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Whistler Harmony in Blue and Gold.jpg|thumb|Harmony in Blue and Gold by [[James Whistler|J. M. Whistler]]]]<br /> '''Art Nouveau''' ([[French]] for ''New Art'') was a late nineteenth century art form in reaction to the academic zeitgeist of the time. The art form was popular from approximately 1880 to 1914, and is characterized by a highly decorative style with dense asymmetrical ornamentation in sinuous forms, often symbolic and even of erotic nature. Art Nouveau is thought to take inspiration from both nature, as it was more organic than the academic art of the time, and women. <br /> <br /> [[Gustav Klimt]] worked in an art nouveau style. Other important representatives of this style are Alphons Mucha (Czech), Eugène Grasset (Swiss), Henri Toulouse Lautrec (French), Toorop (Dutch), Kuzma Petrov-Vodkin (Russian), Vasiliy Polenov (Russian), Valentin Serov (Russian), <br /> Maurice Denis (French), [[James Whistler|James McNeill Whistler]] (American) Aubrey Beardsley (England) and Antonio Gaudi (Spaniard). <br /> <br /> Art Nouveau was not restricted to painting or printmaking. It covered all forms of art: architecture, sculpture, jewelry, furniture, ceramics, glass and illustration.<br /> <br /> <gallery><br /> Image:Mucha Gismonda.jpg|"Gismonda" by Alphonse Mucha.<br /> Image:Polenov Beirut.jpg|"Beirut" by Vasiliy Polenov.<br /> </gallery><br /> <br /> == See also ==<br /> <br /> *[[Painting Masterpieces]]<br /> *[[Painting Schools]]<br /> *[[World Famous Painters]]<br /> <br /> == External links ==<br /> <br /> *[http://mcl.club.fr/art_nouveau.html L'Art Nouveau] In French.<br /> *[http://www.mala.bc.ca/~Johnstoi/praguepage/muchalecture.htm Mucha and Art Nouveau]<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Artistic Movements]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Antonio_Gaudi&diff=1041568 Antonio Gaudi 2013-03-19T20:23:24Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Antoni Gaudi.jpg|thumb|150px|Antonio Gaudi]]<br /> '''Antoni Gaudí i Cornet''' (1852–1926) was a [[Catalan]] [[architect]] who is usually referred to by the [[Spanish]] translation of his name - '''Antonio Gaudí'''.<ref>Catalonia is a region of north eastern [[Spain]] with its own language</ref> He was the leading exponent of Modernismo, the particularly Spanish form of [[Art Nouveau]].<br /> <br /> Gaudi was born in the province of Tarragona in southern Catalonia and from an early age suffered from [[rheumatism]] which caused him great pain. Unable to play with friends or walk far, he took an interest in nature and natural forms. Later he went on to study architecture in [[Barcelona]] at the ''Escola Tècnica Superior d'Arquitectura''. He graduated with average grades but even then, he must have been considered idiosyncratic, as when he received his professional diploma from Elies Rogent, the famous Catalan architect declared; "Qui sap si hem donat el diploma a un boig o a un geni: el temps ens ho dirà<ref>http://www.rutadelmodernisme.com/default.aspx?idioma=ca&contenido=body_rutamodernisme_01l.htm</ref> (''Who knows if we have given this diploma to a nut or to a genius. Only time will tell.'')<br /> {{QuoteBox2<br /> |width=175px<br /> |quote=Who knows if we have given this diploma to a nut or to a genius. Only time will tell.<br /> |source=Elies Rogent<br /> |}}<br /> <br /> Gaudi started work on small scale design projects such as lampposts. His design of a showcase for a glove manufacturer used at the 1878 ''Exposition Universelle'' (Worlds Fair) in [[Paris]], first brought him to the attention a wealthy Catalan industrialist Eusebio Güell, but his first important work was for the private residence in Barcelona of another industrialist - Manuel Vicens, a brick and tile manufacturer. This was the ''Casa Vincens''<ref>The ''Casa Vincens'' is part of the [[UNESCO]] [[World Heritage Site]] "Works of Antoni Gaudí".</ref> a building of red bricks and undressed stone with checkerboard and floral pattern tiles in the Moorish style. Broken ceramic tiles later became a key design element of Gaudi's works.<br /> <br /> Eusebio Güell and Gaudi were both ardent [[Roman Catholics|Catholics]] and shared common interests. Güell gave Gaudi a series of commissions, the first of which was for a ''Finca Güell'' the entrance pavilion and stables for what was to be the ''Palau Guell'' (literally a palace) in the unfashionable district of Pedralbes. It was about this time that Gaudi became involved with the Cathedral of the Holy Family - ''[[La Sagrada Familia]]''. The crypt had been started in 1882 by another architect, Francisco del Villar who abandoned it in 1883. Gaudi took over the project which eventually took over him for the remaining 43 years of his life. He completed the crypt in 1891 and then started on the walls.<br /> [[Image:Sagrada Familia.jpg|thumb|150px|left|La Sagrada Familia]]<br /> <br /> In 1898, Gaudi started work on the church for ''Colonia Güell'', a company-town project outside Barcelona for the Güell company, but only the crypt was ever built. Around 1900 he devoted his attentions to ''Parc Güell'' which was intended to be a garden city in the hills behind Barcelona and offer up to sixty homes for the upper middle-class. The development would now be regarded as "environmentally sensitive" as it was designed to mold itself to the landscape and the felling of trees was forbidden. Gaudi created fabulous mosaics using pieces of broken ceramics from Güell's factories for the pavilion and fountains. In the end very few houses were actually built on the site. In 1905 Gaudi received a commission to build an apartment building from Pere Milá, a member of the Cortes (Spanish Parliament). The construction was fraught with difficulties as the City government tried to stop the project owing to infringements of the local building code. However, Gaudi ignored them and completed the building of the Casa Milà, in 1910. It was considered ugly at the time and earned the nickname ''La Pedrera'' (The Quarry) from the local inhabitants, although it is now one of his most famous works.<br /> <br /> Gaudi experienced some painful losses, his niece Rosa Egea, who lived with him in Barcelona, died in 1912 and in 1914, his faithful collaborator, Francesc Berenguer Mestres, also died. He became involved in litigation with the Milà family over professional fees and in 1915, an economic crisis in Barcelona, caused the cessation of most of the construction of the Sagrada Familia as well as ''Colonia Güell''. In 1918 his good friend and patron Eusebio Güell also died and with this, his financial backing was removed. Gaudi largely shunned commercial work in his later life and devoted himself to ''La Sagrada Familia'', working in his studio on the church premises. Despite being something of a dandy in his early years, as an old man he took little pride in his appearance and on June 7, 1926, while crossing the street, he was knocked down by a tram. Mistaking him for a vagrant, taxi-drivers refused to take him to a hospital for fear that they would not get their fare. Eventually he was taken to a paupers' hospital and only found by his friends the following day. Although they tried to move him to a better hospital, he refused, reportedly saying that "I belong here among the poor". He died three days after his accident on July 10, 1926 and was buried in the ''La Sagrada Familia''.<ref>[http://www.gaudiclub.com/ingles/i_vida/i_vida5.asp Gaudi & Barcelona Club (page 5)]</ref> As Gaudi did not make use of blueprints for the design of the cathedral, preferring to keep most of it in his head, his fellow workers were unable to continue with the construction work.<br /> <br /> In Spain, Gaudi is known as "God's Architect"; when he was questioned about the length of time that the construction was taking he is said to have joked "My client is in no hurry". <br /> <br /> Contrary to popular belief, the word "gaudy" does not come from Gaudi's name. Apart from being somewhat inappropriate, the OED cites the earliest use of the word in the 16th century.<br /> <br /> ==Notes & References==<br /> {{reflist}}<br /> <br /> {{DEFAULTSORT: Gaudi, Antonio}}<br /> [[Category:Architects]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Griffon&diff=1041526 Griffon 2013-03-19T15:37:35Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>A '''griffon''' (sometimes spelt gryphon or griffin) is a mythical beast with the head and wings of an [[eagle]] and the hindquarters and bravery of a [[lion]]. Griffons are sometimes shown with the front legs of an eagle (with talons), and sometimes with those of a lion. Griffons are often found in heraldic designs, and in [[Medieval]] times the griffon was sometimes used to symbolise the dual nature of [[Jesus Christ]]. More recently, a griffon appears on the badge of the (originally) British car company Vauxhall and is the symbol of the Brentford FC soccer club from West London.<br /> <br /> ==See Also==<br /> *[[mythology]]<br /> *[[unicorn]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Mythical Beasts]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Scientific_progress&diff=1041524 Essay:Scientific progress 2013-03-19T15:36:16Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>There's a point of view that says that the only way that [[science]] can make progress is by showing that theories are wrong. The argument goes like this: It's impossible to prove that a theory is right no matter how many experiments agree with it, but if one single [[experiment]] disagrees with it, then the theory must be wrong. Well, that itself is a theory of knowledge, which is wrong! Because, there are theories in science, which are so well verified by experience that they become promoted to the status of fact. [http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue38/einstein.html]<br /> <br /> Dr. [[Walter M. Robinson]], associate director of the division of [[medical ethics]] at [[Harvard Medical School]], said, "A little knowledge of the [[history of science]] tells us that advances are generally not planned and can't be predicted, but come from accidents and [[serendipitous moments]]." [http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9500E3DD1739F93BA25752C0A9629C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print (New York Times)]<br /> <br /> However, once the advance is made, the plodding scientific method is very useful for separating the scientific sheep from the fantasy goats.<br /> <br /> [[Category:Essays]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Druidry&diff=1041254 Druidry 2013-03-17T22:09:03Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>'''Druidry''', or '''Druidism''', is the religion of the Druids, a [[pagan]] [[Celtic]] priesthood that existed in [[France]], [[Britain]] and [[Ireland]] before the coming of [[Christianity]] to those lands. Its international headquarters was on the island of Mona, now called Anglesey, off the north-west coast of [[Wales]], but was destroyed by the [[Roman]]s in 61 AD during the revolt of [[Boudica]].<br /> <br /> Druid beliefs, as recorded by [[Julius Caesar]], revolved around observations of the motions of the heavenly bodies and their influences on the earth, as in [[astrology]], and they were also firm believers in [[reincarnation]], so much that it was possible to defer the payment of debts until the next life. Caesar recounted stories of the Druids sacrificing criminals and enemy soldiers captured in battle in huge wicker men by burning them to death. These stories should be taken with a grain of salt as Caesar was known for embellishing stories of his time in Gaul. <br /> <br /> <blockquote><br /> The two privileged classes are the Druids and the knights. The Druids officiate at the worship of the gods, regulate public and private sacrifices, and give rulings on all religious questions. Large numbers of young men flock to them for instruction, and they are held in great honour by the people. They act as judges in practically all disputes, whether between tribes or between individuals; when any crime is committed, or a murder takes place, or a dispute arises about an inheritance or a boundary, it is they who adjudicate the matter and appoint the compensation to be paid and received by the parties concerned. Any individual or tribe failing to accept their award is banned from taking part in sacrifice - the heaviest punishment that can be inflicted upon a Gaul. Those who are laid under such a ban are regarded as impious criminals. Everyone shuns them and avoids going near or speaking to them, for fear of taking some harm by contact with what is unclean; if they appear as plaintiffs, justice is denied them, and they are excluded from a share in any honour. All the Druids are under one head, whom they hold in the highest respect. On his death, if any one of the rest is of outstanding merit, he succeeds to the vacant place; if several have equal claims, the Druids usually decide the election by voting, though sometimes they actually fight it out. On a fixed date in each year they hold a session in a consecrated spot in the country of the Carnutes, which is supposed to be the centre of Gaul. Those who are involved in disputes assemble here from all parts, and accept the Druids' judgements and awards. The Druidic doctrine is believed to have been found existing in Britain and thence imported into Gaul; even today those who want to make a profound study of it generally go to Britain for the purpose. ''Julius Caesar’s The Conquest of Gaul, book VI.''<br /> </blockquote><br /> <br /> However, Druids had no written tradition and there are no sources that contradict Julius Caesar. This makes the study of Druidism probematic, particularly as a [[New Age]] industry has grown up around it.<br /> <br /> Druidic training was very hard, and involved spending 20 years learning by heart thousands of lines of poetry and song, which included being placed under a rock in a river in order to recite them. If the postulant survived this ordeal he or she became a 'bard', the lowest grade of Druid. The next grade was 'ovate' (meaning seer), and then came Druid proper. <br /> <br /> The Romans attempted to suppress Druidism but it survived into Christian times when a certain amount of assimilation took place. Many Christian churches in the British Isles were built on the site of Druidic temples, especially those dedicated to the dragon-slaying saints Michael and George. It is also believed that the wizard [[Merlin]], companion to [[King Arthur]], was a Druid.<br /> <br /> Druidism survived in remote areas of Wales until the 18th century, when it was revived in a new popular form by [[John Toland]] and others, who founded the first of the modern Druid orders in 1717. Modern Druids have dispensed with many of their ancient beliefs and practices and in many ways resemble [[Freemasonry]]. They congregate at [[Stonehenge]] on the [[summer solstice]] to enact their ceremonies.<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> <br /> *[http://www.cobdo.org Council of British Druid Orders]<br /> *[http://www.cobdo.org.uk Council of British Druid Orders]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> <references/><br /> <br /> [[Category:Paganism]]<br /> [[Category:Wales]]</div>

Rafael https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Mancow&diff=1041253 Mancow 2013-03-17T22:03:21Z

<p>Rafael: </p> <hr /> <div>'''Mancow's Morning Madhouse''' is an American [[talk radio]] show hosted by Matthew Erich “Mancow” Muller. The show is broadcast on the [[Talk Radio Network]]. According to ''Talkers Magazine'', the Mancow show is "Morning drive issues talk with up-tempo, youthful approach. Growing presence on FM band nationwide. Local mid mornings in [[Chicago]]." As of February 2009, the Mancow show is rated number nine of the 100 most important radio talk show hosts in America. <ref>[http://talkers.com/online/?p=267 2009 Talkers 250 - Featuring the Heavy Hundred], ''Talkers magazine'', Accessed February 18, 2009</ref> The radio show airs live weekdays 5:30 AM to 10 AM CST.<br /> <br /> Mancow is on record as having Conservative and strongly Christian views.<br /> <br /> == References == <br /> {{reflist}} <br /> <br /> ==External Links==<br /> *[http://www.mancow.com Official Website]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Broadcasters]]</div>

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