Talk:Essay:Surprising Dates of Origin for Terms

2009-06-14T19:25:12Z

QSmith:

I hope you don't mind my adding to the essay, but I don't think it can be emphasized enough that even when it was used, "separation of church and state" did NOT imply a limit on religious freedoms of any kind. --[[User:BenP|BenP]] 12:56, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

"What did flags hang on for centuries before that?" Flagstaffs. [[User:LarsJ|LarsJ]] 13:59, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

: Excellent! "Flagstaff" it must have been.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:33, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

==Theism==

Maybe the reason the term "atheism" was only popularized after theism is because atheism literally means "without theism"? This shouldn't be construed to mean that atheists didn't exist before the 1800s-- after all, there were even atheists in Ancient Greece, like Epicurus, famous for his "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" observation. [[User:STam|STam]] 13:59, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

I think Epicurus was more of a deist or agnostic than an atheist. He did admit that gods might exist but they had no influence on the world. However, I would guess there were atheists before the 1800s if the word first appeared in 1587. --[[User:OscarJ|OscarJ]] 14:13, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

:It's a myth that were atheists in ancient times. There may not even be true atheists today. More typically an "atheist" is simply an anti-Christian.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:33, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

==English words==

This article appears to give the dates when these words first appeared in English. Isn't it possible that words for these concepts already existed in other languages before that? --[[User:OscarJ|OscarJ]] 14:16, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

:Maybe, maybe not. Regardless the surprising dates of origin in English are still ... surprising.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:33, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

==English Words==

Fission doesn't just mean nuclear; when a cell splits in two, that's Binary Fission; the word comes from the Latin root meaning 'to split,' the same etymological origin as "fissure". A change should probably be made.

The Decemberists

2009-05-29T03:33:27Z

QSmith: added info about their immoral lyrics

'''The Decemberists''' are a liberal, Indie-rock band from [[Portland]], [[Oregon]]. Their members include Colin Meloy, Chris Funk, Jenny Conlee, Nate Query, and John Moen.<ref>[http://www.decemberists.com/ Decemberists Official Site]</ref> They played a concert for [[Barack Obama]], and endorsed him for the presidency. <ref>[http://elbo.ws/post/1073585/news-conservative-critics-raise-stink-over-decemberistsbarack-obama-rally/]</ref>

They are known for glorifying [[rape]], [[suicide]] (most often by [[drowning]], and some songs simply involve death by drowning, without suicide being involved<ref>[http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858618440/]</ref>), and various other sinful acts in their music; the songs "We Both Go Down Together" (rape and double-suicide)<ref>[http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/We-Both-Go-Down-Together-lyrics-The-Decemberists/390818DB0383F62248256F940029D818]</ref>, "The Landlord's Daughter/You'll Not Feel the Drowning" (rape and apparent [[homicide]] by drowning, in the respective parts of the song<ref>[http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858618544/]</ref>), and the entire story arc of the latest album, "The Hazards of Love," is based around rape, intercourse, homicide, infanticide (although at least the character who so gleefully sings of his childrens' murders is the villain, although lead singer Meloy takes undue joy in the song) and the eventual double-suicide of the main characters by drowning<ref>[http://www.decemberists.com/downloads/Dcmbr_WebPDFBook.pdf]</ref>. Apparently they also suffer from a severe lack of originality, as well as a severe lack of morals.)
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