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		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Climate_agenda&amp;diff=1077026</id>
		<title>Talk:Climate agenda</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;The opening paragraph should be edited to reflect the actual history of climate change/global warming. References would also be nice.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:44, 13 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:If &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; is defined as the same thing as [[global warming]], then this article should be a redirect. &amp;quot;Climate change&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;global warming&amp;quot; are both generic terms when interpreted literally. In these articles, both terms are being used as shorthand to refer to the anthropogenic global warming theory. This is of course a common media usage as well, perhaps because it lends itself to misleading terminology like &amp;quot;climate change denier&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;global warming denier.&amp;quot; The climate has always been changing, and the greens didn't discover this. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 07:36, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Please reread the last sentence of my edit, ''Climate change was still used to refer to the other changes thought to be caused by increased CO2.'' In the academic and research world’s, climate change and global warming are not synonymous. Global warming is one of the consequences of anthropogenic climate change. I’d like to think an encyclopedia would be able to differentiate between the two without promoting common misconceptions.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:03, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::So much for my request to have this article reflect reality. If this isn’t bad enough, evolution is now being discussed in the opening paragraph of a climate change article. Is it too much to ask for references? This is required by the commandments after all. I even tried to find ''anything'' that could even provide a hint of evidence backing up the first paragraph, but alas, I was unsuccessful.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:00, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
*&amp;quot;AGW&amp;quot; is a reasonably common way to refer to this phenomenia, and it is not nearly as misleading as either &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;global warming.&amp;quot; Both of the later terms imply that the Earth has never warmed any reason other than industrial emissions. I suggest that the main article on this subject be located at [[anthropogenic global warming]], [[Climate change]] and [[global warming]] can be redirects or brief terminology articles. [http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/01/ipcc-silently-slashes-its-global-warming-predictions-in-the-ar5-final-draft/ The latest IPCC report] projects dramatically less warming than earlier reports did. The climate change apocalypse has apparently been averted, and the world saved. Yet the drive-by media can't be bothered to report it. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:04, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=climate+change%2Cglobal+warming&amp;amp;case_insensitive=on&amp;amp;year_start=1980&amp;amp;year_end=2008&amp;amp;corpus=15&amp;amp;smoothing=3&amp;amp;share=&amp;amp;direct_url=t4%3B%2Cclimate%20change%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bclimate%20change%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BClimate%20Change%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BClimate%20change%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BCLIMATE%20CHANGE%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cglobal%20warming%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bglobal%20warming%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGlobal%20Warming%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGlobal%20warming%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGLOBAL%20WARMING%3B%2Cc0 Here is an ngram] on climate change vs. global warming. In the early 1990s, usage for the two terms was about equal. Later &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; became dominant. It's obvious someone made a political decision to change the name at some point. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:59, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Please explain to me using peer reviewed references how the terms climate change and global warming ''imply that the Earth has never warmed any reason other than industrial emissions.'' Please read the IPCC report from the main source instead of filtering it through a fringe source like Anthony Watts. You’ll find he is misrepresenting the UN panel. I hope you didn’t spend too much time on your Google research. Please reread my last edit to the article and then realize my sources were from the fifties and seventies. Someone made a political decision? References? Good ones this time? It’s rather sad the opening paragraphs are allowed to remain, this article makes conservative Americans look very silly. And I for one don’t like it. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:37, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::And what is it that you don't like?  And why is Anthony Watts a &amp;quot;fringe source&amp;quot;?  Be specific. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 10:52, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Let’s see. The opening paragraph starts with an unreferenced, completely false assertion and mentions evolution even though this is a climate change article. And the article continues along the same lines for several more sentences. I noticed Schlafly is making some of the most flagrant violations of the Conservapedia commandments yet nothing is being done to correct this abuse. Anthony Watts is a meteorologist without any formal education in climate science yet he is used as an authoritative source on climate change by Conservapedia. I call him a fringe source because his conclusions concerning climate change put him within the fringe of academics or pseudo-academics who agree with the 1% of legitimate climate researchers who deny anthropogenic climate change. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:41, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Well, let's see this one.  First, climate change or global warming - the &amp;quot;anthropogenic&amp;quot; kind - is a proven fraud, and I could not care less that 99% of &amp;quot;legitimate&amp;quot; climate researchers think the world is coming to an end because someone in New Jersey is running all over town in an SUV; ''consensus'' cannot alter ''facts''.  And the fact that it is a fraud is a combination of emails among these &amp;quot;scientists&amp;quot; stating their intentions to deliberately alter the data so they can push a political agenda upon the world in general and the United States in particular; Anthony Watts' posting of images which show that the &amp;quot;scientists&amp;quot; primary source of temperature-taking were machines deliberately placed near sources of man-made heat which ''skewed the data''; and clowns like Al Gore who stated that the North Pole would be ice free ''right now'', when it's not.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Second, you need to get something straight here, Norman.  We're not going to post a liberal agenda on this website.  We're not going to change our position on global warming or anything else that the church of liberalism loves; to do so we would have to be complicit in a lie, and we're not going to tolerate it.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:48, 16 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Okay. Facts don’t matter to you, got it. What emails are you talking about? SUVs? New Jersey? The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project demonstrated Watts didn’t know what he was talking about when he complained about the placement of climate stations. He promised to accept the conclusions of BEST but when his opinions were completely demolished he reneged. This is Conservapedia, I understand the liberal agenda won’t be posted here, give me some credit, I’m not stupid. That being said, I’d like to think conservatives, like yourself, could accept scientific reality. By the way, are you planning on doing anything about the atrocious opening sentences of this article? Don’t you think everyone should follow the Conservapedia commandments?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 01:23, 16 February 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment</title>
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&lt;div&gt;GRACE is a non-profit organization made up of highly trained and experienced multi-disciplinary professionals who seek to educate and empower the Christian community to identify, confront and respond to the sin of child abuse. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://netgrace.orf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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GRACE provides prevention training, response assistance, consultations and independent investigations for churches and Christian organizations. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://netgrace.org/about-us/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Chevrolet Volt</title>
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&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
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1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
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3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
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4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
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6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
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7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its &amp;quot;fact,&amp;quot; and otherwise it's &amp;quot;opinion&amp;quot;? This is just word games. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rules proposal==&lt;br /&gt;
I think Norman brought up some valid points about this particular vehicle, as well as Peter.  I think green energy politics may be involved with this one, but I don't have the cites to back the allegation up.  Setting that aside, there's going to be pros and cons with this and any other car on the road, and this article just isn't up to par.  So here's a proposal on something akin to rules for a layout on this and any other article about cars and trucks.  &lt;br /&gt;
:1.  Describe the car itself.  This needs to be a physical description of the car, including company making it; where it's made; years of manufacture; performance packages; wheelbase; powertrains; prices; MPG's; speed, and so on.  Since the Volt is electric, how many batteries does it have?  Does it have a generator engine?  How far can it go on a charge?&lt;br /&gt;
:2.  Describe the pros and cons of the vehicle; describe why people like it, and why others don't.  Is the car very good, or is it just another lemon?  For citations, limit yourself to using official press releases from the automakers (Chevy in this case); reputable publications (''Car and Driver'', ''Motor Trend'', ''Consumer Reports'', etc).  If you use a blog citation, make sure that the writer direct connections to the above publications or is a respected member of the auto community (i.e. Chip Foose, Kammie Edelbrock, Jeff Gordon, etc).  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:3.  As to the politics involving the Chevy Volt, place it within a separate sub-topic heading.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:52, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
*I take I've been outvoted. Is Conservapedia is ready for conservative-bashing energy articles? I guess we will find out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 12:10, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Try not to see it as bashing conservative ideals, think of it as making factual and accurate articles that don’t make conservatives look miss-informed.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:51, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Like you're here to make conservatives look more informed. Aren't we &amp;quot;[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&amp;amp;action=historysubmit&amp;amp;diff=1073053&amp;amp;oldid=1073052 lunatic fringe climate deniers]&amp;quot;? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:29, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::If someone parrots the climate change rants of Monckton and Limbaugh? Then yeah, I’d say they subscribe to the lunatic fringe. Not all conservatives hold such views. The original version of this article made a bunch of literally stupid claims. The Volt is a fashion accessory, it is subsidized with factory rebates, emits harmful radiation, likely to electrocute passengers in a crash, the engine is not hooked up to the wheels, liberals and homosexuals have limited knowledge of automobiles, etc. If a person took the earlier versions of this article as gospel, they’d look rather silly regurgitating their ''facts'' to a knowledgeable Volt owner. Looks like I’m actually trying to make conservatives ''look more informed''.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 00:36, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So Limbaugh and Fox News are the lunatic fringe, but of course you don't have you anything against the conservatives who agree with you. Who would they be, anyway? If I wanted to know what mainstream conservative opinion was on a given issue, I'd check ''The American Spectator'' (&amp;quot;[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes Volt sleeps with the fishes]&amp;quot;), ''The Weekly Standard'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chevy-volt-still-not-selling_581956.html Chevy Volt: Still Not Selling]&amp;quot;), ''National Review'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/242092/gm-volt-electric-lemon-greg-pollowitz The GM Volt Is an ‘Electric Lemon’]&amp;quot;), or ''Human Events'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.humanevents.com/2012/01/07/obama-blew-more-money-on-chevy-volt-than-entire-gdp-of-djibouti/ Obama blew more money on the Chevy Volt than entire GDP of Djibouti]&amp;quot;). These are all to the right of Fox News, so I assume they'd be extradoubleplus lunatic in your book. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:41, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::On this question of what's fringe and what's not, I note that Richard Lindzen, John Christy, and Roy Spencer, [http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100257206/climate-science-is-for-second-raters-says-worlds-greatest-atmospheric-physicist/ leading climate scientists all], are skeptics. Stephen Schneider, father of the global warming scare, wasn't a climate scientist at all, but a rather mechanical engineer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:42, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If a conservative, liberal, libertarian or authoritarian makes relevant and factual claims when discussing politics, environment, economics, etc. I’ll patiently listen. When people make crackpot claims I’ll display the contempt they deserve. By the way, lunatic fringe, fringe, skeptics and denial all have different meanings. I reserve lunatic fringe for the extraordinary. The Volt is not for everyone, that doesn’t mean the car is a failure. Many ridiculous claims were made in the articles you recommended. Auto plants periodically close for numerous reasons and the Hamtramck closure was not remarkable. One of the writers made a comparison to a BMW 3 series and the Volt. I own both, I prefer the Volt. And the tripe seemed to go on and on. The climate scientists you mentioned are among the 1% of climate scientists who are skeptical of anthropogenic climate change, but I’d rather discuss such matters on the relevant talk page. As for Dr. Schneider, he was ''also'' a mechanical engineer.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 13:19, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Am to understand that 99 percent of scientists agree with you, and only 1 percent agree with me? There was a survey a while back that found that an overwhelming majority of scientists agree that the Earth is warmer now than it was a century ago. But of course I don't dispute that, and neither does Lindzen, Christy, or Spencer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:30, 2 February 2014 (EST) &lt;br /&gt;
I think we're getting a little further beyond the subject of the article. This article shouldn't be a debate ground for global warming - that's not really necessary. The article should be about the car. Link to global warming in a comment about how the car is targeted towards the environmentally friendly crowd - but what are we doing talking about Limbaugh and Fox on this talk page? Norman's right the original article was terrible and borderline parody. So far you guys have done a good job improving it.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 13:31, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:This car's primary notability is as a money pit. It's GM's attempt to follow California's idiotic regulations and appease the environmentalists. Sales are insignificant. The politics of this issue belongs in the lead section. We are not ''Consumer Reports''. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:30, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Appease is probably the wrong word - it's them targeting a type of consumer that looks to purchase &amp;quot;environmentally friendlier&amp;quot; cars. The politics of a global warming debate do not belong on a car page, no. Norman's correct. We might not be Consumer Reports, but we also try not to be idiots.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 00:46, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I have already refuted this argument more than once. GM is selling only 100-to-200 vehicles a month. They'd have to sell something like 5,000 vehicles a month to justify their development costs. Please check the articles I link to above. Since GM went to court to try to avoid California's ZEV regulation, I assume that they were already aware that there was no demand even before they decided to go ahead with the project. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:37, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So it's for positive publicity? And what's wrong with that business model? And do you have another source confirming it? And you mentioning that the sales numbers are low isn't actually refuting any argument I made. It's just stating the fact that there are low sales. And how does going to court over regulation indicate knowledge of the future? They knew how successful marketing and an ad campaign could be because they were in a California court? Fascinating.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 07:50, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I was responding to your claim that GM is, &amp;quot;targeting a type of consumer.&amp;quot; I guess in a sense they are. But sales are so low, that's obviously not a big part of the equation. The car allows GM receive government subsidies, and that money is far more significant than what they are getting from consumers.[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 09:03, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further Reading==&lt;br /&gt;
The Conservative News and Views article is a travesty of journalism filled with numerous faults and should not be featured under ''Further reading''.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.  General Motors went into bankruptcy on June 1 2009 and emerged on 10 July 2009. A total of forty days.  How this article could even imply otherwise is rather mystifying. No other entity other than the U.S. government stepped forward to assist GM, without reorganization funded by the feds; even Ford would have shut their doors.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motorsliquidationdocket.com/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/business/11auto.html?_r=0&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/ford-would-have-shut-without-auto-bailouts-rattner-says.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. GM received a government bailout that prevented the company from being broken up and terminating all their employees. As of 2012, GM employs 77,000 Americans, less than their heyday but still a lot more than zero, which is what they would have employed had the auto maker been allowed to break up. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07/american-made-index-which-automakers-affect-the-most-us-workers.html&lt;br /&gt;
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3. ''...energy-efficient vehicles, otherwise known as The Volt''. This statement makes no sense, the Chevy Volt is not the only energy-efficient vehicle produced by GM. &lt;br /&gt;
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4. The sales figures are also incorrect. There were 326 sold in 2010; 7671 sold in 2011; 23,461 in 2012 and 23,094 in 2013.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&lt;br /&gt;
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&lt;br /&gt;
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This embarrassment of an article should not be linked on Conservapedia. It gets almost nothing right and the people who read and believe the alleged facts will be sorely miss-informed.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:46, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Only the Facts Please==&lt;br /&gt;
Unreferenced assertions concerning the general public and environmentalists have been inserted into an otherwise factual article. Could references please be provided?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:12, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Electric vehicle generation of CO2 compared to a gasoline vehicle==&lt;br /&gt;
A gallon of gasoline equals 33.4 kWh and produces 19.6 lbs of CO2. Coal produces 2.08 lbs of CO2 per kWh. Using electricity generated by coal, a Volt will travel, on average, 123 miles on 33.4 kWh, the equivalent of a gallon of gasoline and generate 70 lbs of CO2. A car (BMW 328) driven by gasoline 123 miles at 27 mpg will use 4.6 gallons of gasoline and generate 90 lbs of CO2.&lt;br /&gt;
The Volt will produce 77% of the CO2 of a comparable gasoline powered car, when using natural gas the percentage will be much less. When accounting for CO2 during the production of gasoline compared to the much more efficient method of powering electrical plants, the difference will be even more profound. When the home owner uses solar panels or wind to generate electricity to power their home and drive a car 12,000 miles a year they will save thousands. Using an electric vehicle is indeed a game changer.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&amp;amp;t=3&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=74&amp;amp;t=11&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-resources/refs.html&lt;br /&gt;
:If we could afford to buy [http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors/item/4387-each-chevy-volt-costs-taxpayers-$250000 a $250,000 car] for all 7 billion people on the planet, global warming would be the least of our worries. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 20:03, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference is completely out of date. A selective use of math and assuming only Chevy Volts will use the batteries manufactured at the subsidized plants is very disingenuous. The Hamtramck plant also manufactures the Malibu. Where are these facts included in the math? Nowhere of course. Using MCC’s dubious math, selective reasoning and the increase in Volt sales, each car is now subsidized at $27,000. And this number itself is still completely inane. I’ll cut them some slack concerning the past government ownership of GM, but this doesn’t excuse anyone from using this dated reference to trash the Volt.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 19:37, 3 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Editing Compromise ==&lt;br /&gt;
Took SamHB’s advice and corrected the paragraph in question to include references. Hopefully everyone will be satisfied.&lt;br /&gt;
:It's a &amp;quot;game changer for the environment&amp;quot;? Oh my. Can we slobber over this vehicle some more? I hope GM and the UAW appreciate this work. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 20:01, 4 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Please review the edit once more, I said ''electric vehicles'', not Volt. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:03, 4 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Given that Obama plans to make electric rates &amp;quot;skyrocket,&amp;quot;[http://blog.heritage.org/2011/06/09/here-come-obama%E2%80%99s-necessarily-skyrocketing-electricity-rates/] I assume the Volt will end up taking one for the team. As near as I can tell, the environmentalists oppose all forms of power production: nuclear, coal, gas, oil, hydropower, etc. With Obama flying in the world's least fuel efficient airplane and rolling in an eight-mile-a-gallon limo, a lot of peasants will have to do without for the result to be carbon neutral. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:59, 5 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I’m sure every Pres. Obama basher has heard your skyrocket factoid. Of course what his critics never mention is the context. '''If you can’t persuade the American people that, yes there is going to be some increase in electricity rates on the front end, but that over the long-term -- because of a combination of more efficient energy uses and changing lightbulbs and more-efficient appliances, but also technology improving how we can produce clean energy -- that the economy will benefit.''' &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-obama-promise-a-war-on-affordable-energy/2012/10/19/d1fa0156-1975-11e2-aa6f-3b636fecb829_blog.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Cap and Trade used to be a huge Republican method of environmental change. Low sulfer coal, CFC gases, and unleaded gasoline were successful targets of cap and trade during Republican administrations. Even Gov. Palin and Sen. McCain were big supporters of cap and trade but now that Pres. Obama come out in favor using this mechanism to reduce CO2 the Republicans had turned tail and derided it as cap and tax. It seems if a Democrat is for it, like your current president, then they are against it. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 19:23, 5 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Something-for-nothing is not the way economics works. Obama is an economic idiot. This is a man who once announced that he wanted a minimum wage of $100 a hour, for crying out loud. If he knew any less about economics, the country would be broke after repeated multi-trillion dollar bailout and pork packages. Oh, wait a minute, we are. FDR let the banks go belly up, and a historic recovery followed. That's the kind of president we need. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:11, 6 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::@PeterKa, you wrote &amp;quot;This is a man who once announced that he wanted a minimum wage of $100 a hour, for crying out loud.&amp;quot;  All I could find in reference to a $100/hour minimum wage seems to be from conservative commentators using a slippery slope to oppose any form of minimum wage increase.  Could you please tell me more information about this Obama announcement?  Thanks, [[User:GregG|GregG]] 09:28, 6 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::What can I say? I watched Obama make the speech on CNN. When he proposed the $100 hour minimum wage, his audience cheered. I don't think he was actually president yet, or this speech would have been a bigger deal. This was around the time of the 2008 election. The $100 an hour minimum wage is an old Milton Friedman favorite, his way of illustrating the absurdity of wage regulation. So I was startled to hear Obama proposing it, and I checked the transcript just to make sure I didn't mishear or anything. In any case, the speech is not on the CNN site anymore. Perhaps it's still on the [http://web.archive.org/ Wayback Machine]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 23:02, 6 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Coal==&lt;br /&gt;
Well nuts, looks like I can’t win. My last edit was removed because it was liberal propaganda, yet the sources Jpatt used are rather liberal also. I’m racked over the coals if I dare to mix in alleged liberal sources with conservative sources yet an administrator can do so with impunity. Of well, at least this article wasn’t the embarrassment it used to be. Only if that pesky item about coal could be altered then Jpatt’s edit would reflect reality since coal only generates 37% of America’s electricity. Coal is being phased out; renewable and other non-polluting sources of energy are becoming more wide spread. It would be nice if this article could spell this out.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:57, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Reference==&lt;br /&gt;
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		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Climate_agenda&amp;diff=1077016</id>
		<title>Talk:Climate agenda</title>
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&lt;div&gt;The opening paragraph should be edited to reflect the actual history of climate change/global warming. References would also be nice.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:44, 13 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:If &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; is defined as the same thing as [[global warming]], then this article should be a redirect. &amp;quot;Climate change&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;global warming&amp;quot; are both generic terms when interpreted literally. In these articles, both terms are being used as shorthand to refer to the anthropogenic global warming theory. This is of course a common media usage as well, perhaps because it lends itself to misleading terminology like &amp;quot;climate change denier&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;global warming denier.&amp;quot; The climate has always been changing, and the greens didn't discover this. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 07:36, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Please reread the last sentence of my edit, ''Climate change was still used to refer to the other changes thought to be caused by increased CO2.'' In the academic and research world’s, climate change and global warming are not synonymous. Global warming is one of the consequences of anthropogenic climate change. I’d like to think an encyclopedia would be able to differentiate between the two without promoting common misconceptions.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:03, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::So much for my request to have this article reflect reality. If this isn’t bad enough, evolution is now being discussed in the opening paragraph of a climate change article. Is it too much to ask for references? This is required by the commandments after all. I even tried to find ''anything'' that could even provide a hint of evidence backing up the first paragraph, but alas, I was unsuccessful.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:00, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
*&amp;quot;AGW&amp;quot; is a reasonably common way to refer to this phenomenia, and it is not nearly as misleading as either &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;global warming.&amp;quot; Both of the later terms imply that the Earth has never warmed any reason other than industrial emissions. I suggest that the main article on this subject be located at [[anthropogenic global warming]], [[Climate change]] and [[global warming]] can be redirects or brief terminology articles. [http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/01/ipcc-silently-slashes-its-global-warming-predictions-in-the-ar5-final-draft/ The latest IPCC report] projects dramatically less warming than earlier reports did. The climate change apocalypse has apparently been averted, and the world saved. Yet the drive-by media can't be bothered to report it. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:04, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=climate+change%2Cglobal+warming&amp;amp;case_insensitive=on&amp;amp;year_start=1980&amp;amp;year_end=2008&amp;amp;corpus=15&amp;amp;smoothing=3&amp;amp;share=&amp;amp;direct_url=t4%3B%2Cclimate%20change%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bclimate%20change%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BClimate%20Change%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BClimate%20change%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BCLIMATE%20CHANGE%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cglobal%20warming%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bglobal%20warming%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGlobal%20Warming%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGlobal%20warming%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGLOBAL%20WARMING%3B%2Cc0 Here is an ngram] on climate change vs. global warming. In the early 1990s, usage for the two terms was about equal. Later &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; became dominant. It's obvious someone made a political decision to change the name at some point. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:59, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Please explain to me using peer reviewed references how the terms climate change and global warming ''imply that the Earth has never warmed any reason other than industrial emissions.'' Please read the IPCC report from the main source instead of filtering it through a fringe source like Anthony Watts. You’ll find he is misrepresenting the UN panel. I hope you didn’t spend too much time on your Google research. Please reread my last edit to the article and then realize my sources were from the fifties and seventies. Someone made a political decision? References? Good ones this time? It’s rather sad the opening paragraphs are allowed to remain, this article makes conservative Americans look very silly. And I for one don’t like it. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:37, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::And what is it that you don't like?  And why is Anthony Watts a &amp;quot;fringe source&amp;quot;?  Be specific. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 10:52, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Let’s see. The opening paragraph starts with an unreferenced, completely false assertion and mentions evolution even though this is a climate change article. And the article continues along the same lines for several more sentences. I noticed Schlafly is making some of the most flagrant violations of the Conservapedia commandments yet nothing is being done to correct this abuse. Anthony Watts is a meteorologist without any formal education in climate science yet he is used as an authoritative source on climate change by Conservapedia. I call him a fringe source because his conclusions concerning climate change put him within the fringe of academics or pseudo-academics who agree with the 1% of legitimate climate researchers who deny anthropogenic climate change. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:41, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Jones_University&amp;diff=1077015</id>
		<title>Talk:Bob Jones University</title>
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&lt;div&gt;Before I write about it I want to bring this up. BJU does not allow jazz, country, rock or even contemporary Christian music[http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/rhall.html], isn't it interesting that they allow guns (albeit in a limited fashion)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;All weapons must be turned in for storage. Trigger locks are required for pistols. Fireworks are not permitted on campus.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, I'm not a gun-control advocate, but can't a gun hurt you more spiritually (not to mention physically) then Louis Armstrong or Johnny Cash? [[User:DLerner|DLerner]] 21:17, 4 March 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Though when you think about it, [[Klezmer]] is allowed ;) [[User:DLerner|DLerner]] 21:18, 4 March 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Accreditation==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm new here and just wanted to know.... Would it be appropriate to specify that the college is accredited by the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools, Accreditation Commission? [[User:DrCB|DrCB]] 23:18, 16 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Racism ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Andy, just because the Democrats ALSO supported slavery, racism and segregation of African-Americans, does not mean that you should delete facts from this article. BJU supported segregation long after the Democratic party had given it up, (in fact it wasn't until ''around 2000'' BJU lifted their ban on interracial dating, these are facts.)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you feel that the Page on the Democratic party should mention the history of their attitude toward African-Americans, by all means add it. Removing valid and referenced information from this page simply because it makes a conservative institution look bad is ridiculous. '''---[[user:DLerner]]---''' 20:33, 3 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Mr. Schlafly, could you please explain what is so wrong about these citations? We all know that they are accurate, and it doesn't make sense to remove them just because of ideological differences. [[User:WillD|WillD]] 18:07, 15 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Abuse ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Bob Jones University freely admits there are allegations of sexual abuse at their university. They freely admit to firing the organization they hired to investigate the allegations. Yet a short factual edit to the Conservapedia article concerning these allegations is removed to satisfy the whims of an administrator. Looks like people will have no choice but to get their information concerning this matter from the liberal press since at least one conservative on this encyclopedia is afraid to admit a conservative university may have an abuse problem. It would be nice if conservatives had their own resources to research concerning this allegation, but no, the truth must be suppressed within the conservative community. I’m sure Wikipedia has something about Bob Jones firing GRACE. Should conservatives go to the liberal alternative since this information is unavailable on Conservapedia? I won’t, but others will, you can count on that.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:48, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:This isn't Wikipedia, where some obscure allegation by the liberal media becomes a massive &amp;quot;controversy&amp;quot; section far out of proportion to anything proven.  Sexual abuse is far worse at public schools, so that entry would be a better location for the issue.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:10, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Darn right this isn’t Wikipedia. I thought on Conservapedia article edits wouldn’t be deleted unless the matter was first discussed with the person making the edit in question. Guess I was wrong. My edit complied perfectly with the ‘rules’, yet you violated the rules written out at ''Conservapedia: How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia; rule 10 … Conservapedia does not censor any facts that comport with the basic rules.'' Even BJU is acknowledging the story is becoming wide-spread. [[http://bjunews.com/2014/02/08/more-media-outlets-reporting-on-bjus-dismissal-of-g-r-a-c-e-here-are-links-to-every-article/]] The Christian and conservative media are questioning BYU’s reasoning behind their tactics. Yet you want to deny reality by claiming, without merit, this is an obscure allegation. Even more bizarre is your utterly unsupported assertion that sexual abuse is much worse at public schools. You are simply incredible.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:23, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Three things here, Norman.  First, you're going to present solid, factual evidence of the alleged abuse at BJU, including testimonials from the victims; you will not gather those sources from the mainstream liberal media (New York Times, Wash. Post, CNN, NBC, etc.), and you will not gather those sources whose authors have a bone to pick with Christianity and/or conservatism.  Second, you're going to post them here without doing so in a hostile manner.  Third, we have repeatedly published news reports against the public school system of sexual abuse against students by teachers, so your claim that it is an &amp;quot;unsupported assertion&amp;quot; is bizarre on your part.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 11:03, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::1. Issuing orders I see, very well. Let me start with a statement from BJU admitting there are abused students attending their university. Given the current climate in our world and the steady stream of heart-breaking revelations of sexual abuse that have taken place in secular and Christian spheres, the Board of Trustees and administration of Bob Jones University have reviewed the University’s counseling practices and current policies that govern our responses to sexual abuse as we learn of it from the students and the constituency we serve. http://www.bju.edu/about/grace.php&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Alleged BJU victims speak out.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Former BJU student Jeffrey Hoffman. http://www.wspa.com/story/24667188/former-bju-students-speak-out-on-canceled-sex-abuse-investigation&lt;br /&gt;
:::Erin Burchwell. http://www.wyff4.com/news/local-news/greenville-news/former-bju-student-claims-sex-abuse-was-hidden/24358248&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Additional conservative sources concerning the alleged abuses and the firing of GRACE, all without a bone to pick.&lt;br /&gt;
:::[[http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/grace-abwe-sexual-abuse/]] [[http://www.bju.edu/news/2014-02-13-bju-grace-meet.php?utm_source=News-Events&amp;amp;utm_medium=RSS&amp;amp;utm_content=feed&amp;amp;utm_campaign=RSS-News]] [[http://netgrace.org/wp-content/uploads/Update-February-13th.pdf]] [[http://www.christianpost.com/news/bob-jones-university-abruptly-terminates-relationship-with-grace-led-by-billy-grahams-grandson-114176/]] [[http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2014/february/bob-jones-university-fires-grace-abuse-investigation-bju.html]] [[http://www.abpnews.com/ministry/organizations/item/28335-bob-jones-university-halts-abuse-probe#.UvbAwHlmlds]] [[http://sharperiron.org/comment/66003]][[http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2014/02/07/bob-jones-university-shuts-down-g-r-a-c-e-investigation/]] [[http://encountergospelnews.blogspot.com/2014/02/bob-jones-university-fires-grace-as-sex.html]] [[http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/2014/02/bob-jones-university-fires-grace-firm-responsible-for-sex-abuse-investigation.html#.UvgsFHlmldt]] [[http://www.blackchristiannews.com/2014/02/bob-jones-university-terminates-contract-with-firm-hired-to-investigate-sex-abuse-reports-1-month-before-findings-were-to-be-released/]] [[http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/why-is-bob-jones-university-so-nervous/?utm_source=rss&amp;amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;amp;utm_campaign=why-is-bob-jones-university-so-nervous]] [[http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/24658107/bob-jones-ends-agreement-abuse-ombudsman ]] [[http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/20058800/bju-investigating-abuse-claims ]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::2. Where have I been hostile? I’m relentlessly following the rules. Now only if some of my critics would do the same. You know, lead by example.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::3. I never claimed public school students weren’t subject to abuse. I would be a very stupid person if I were to deny such an obvious fact of life within the American public school system. Please stop misrepresenting my assertions. Schlafly said, ''“Sexual abuse is far worse at public schools, so that entry would be a better location for the issue”''. He did not provide a reference therefore I requested he support his assertion with evidence. I would like to see any evidence concerning the abuse rates between public schools and BJU. I looked but was unable to find anything. Hence my concern. Would you be so kind as to provide the news sources you claim Conservapedia has published concerning the comparative abuse rates between public schools and BJU? Thanks.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:38, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Godly_Response_to_Abuse_in_the_Christian_Environment&amp;diff=1077014</id>
		<title>Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: Created page with &amp;quot;GRACE is a non-profit organization made up of highly trained and experienced multi-disciplinary professionals who seek to educate and empower the Christian community to identify,...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;GRACE is a non-profit organization made up of highly trained and experienced multi-disciplinary professionals who seek to educate and empower the Christian community to identify, confront and respond to the sin of child abuse. http://netgrace.orf&lt;br /&gt;
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GRACE provides prevention training, response assistance, consultations and independent investigations for churches and Christian organizations. http://netgrace.org/about-us/&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Climate_agenda&amp;diff=1076936</id>
		<title>Talk:Climate agenda</title>
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&lt;div&gt;The opening paragraph should be edited to reflect the actual history of climate change/global warming. References would also be nice.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:44, 13 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:If &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; is defined as the same thing as [[global warming]], then this article should be a redirect. &amp;quot;Climate change&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;global warming&amp;quot; are both generic terms when interpreted literally. In these articles, both terms are being used as shorthand to refer to the anthropogenic global warming theory. This is of course a common media usage as well, perhaps because it lends itself to misleading terminology like &amp;quot;climate change denier&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;global warming denier.&amp;quot; The climate has always been changing, and the greens didn't discover this. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 07:36, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Please reread the last sentence of my edit, ''Climate change was still used to refer to the other changes thought to be caused by increased CO2.'' In the academic and research world’s, climate change and global warming are not synonymous. Global warming is one of the consequences of anthropogenic climate change. I’d like to think an encyclopedia would be able to differentiate between the two without promoting common misconceptions.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:03, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::So much for my request to have this article reflect reality. If this isn’t bad enough, evolution is now being discussed in the opening paragraph of a climate change article. Is it too much to ask for references? This is required by the commandments after all. I even tried to find ''anything'' that could even provide a hint of evidence backing up the first paragraph, but alas, I was unsuccessful.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:00, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
*&amp;quot;AGW&amp;quot; is a reasonably common way to refer to this phenomenia, and it is not nearly as misleading as either &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;global warming.&amp;quot; Both of the later terms imply that the Earth has never warmed any reason other than industrial emissions. I suggest that the main article on this subject be located at [[anthropogenic global warming]], [[Climate change]] and [[global warming]] can be redirects or brief terminology articles. [http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/01/ipcc-silently-slashes-its-global-warming-predictions-in-the-ar5-final-draft/ The latest IPCC report] projects dramatically less warming than earlier reports did. The climate change apocalypse has apparently been averted, and the world saved. Yet the drive-by media can't be bothered to report it. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:04, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
**[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=climate+change%2Cglobal+warming&amp;amp;case_insensitive=on&amp;amp;year_start=1980&amp;amp;year_end=2008&amp;amp;corpus=15&amp;amp;smoothing=3&amp;amp;share=&amp;amp;direct_url=t4%3B%2Cclimate%20change%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bclimate%20change%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BClimate%20Change%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BClimate%20change%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BCLIMATE%20CHANGE%3B%2Cc0%3B.t4%3B%2Cglobal%20warming%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3Bglobal%20warming%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGlobal%20Warming%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGlobal%20warming%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGLOBAL%20WARMING%3B%2Cc0 Here is an ngram] on climate change vs. global warming. In the early 1990s, usage for the two terms was about equal. Later &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; became dominant. It's obvious someone made a political decision to change the name at some point. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:59, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Please explain to me using peer reviewed references how the terms climate change and global warming ''imply that the Earth has never warmed any reason other than industrial emissions.'' Please read the IPCC report from the main source instead of filtering it through a fringe source like Anthony Watts. You’ll find he is misrepresenting the UN panel. I hope you didn’t spend too much time on your Google research. Please reread my last edit to the article and then realize my sources were from the fifties and seventies. Someone made a political decision? References? Good ones this time? It’s rather sad the opening paragraphs are allowed to remain, this article makes conservative Americans look very silly. And I for one don’t like it. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:37, 15 February 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Jones_University&amp;diff=1076899</id>
		<title>Talk:Bob Jones University</title>
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		<updated>2014-02-15T01:23:34Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Before I write about it I want to bring this up. BJU does not allow jazz, country, rock or even contemporary Christian music[http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/rhall.html], isn't it interesting that they allow guns (albeit in a limited fashion)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;All weapons must be turned in for storage. Trigger locks are required for pistols. Fireworks are not permitted on campus.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, I'm not a gun-control advocate, but can't a gun hurt you more spiritually (not to mention physically) then Louis Armstrong or Johnny Cash? [[User:DLerner|DLerner]] 21:17, 4 March 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Though when you think about it, [[Klezmer]] is allowed ;) [[User:DLerner|DLerner]] 21:18, 4 March 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Accreditation==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm new here and just wanted to know.... Would it be appropriate to specify that the college is accredited by the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools, Accreditation Commission? [[User:DrCB|DrCB]] 23:18, 16 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Racism ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Andy, just because the Democrats ALSO supported slavery, racism and segregation of African-Americans, does not mean that you should delete facts from this article. BJU supported segregation long after the Democratic party had given it up, (in fact it wasn't until ''around 2000'' BJU lifted their ban on interracial dating, these are facts.)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you feel that the Page on the Democratic party should mention the history of their attitude toward African-Americans, by all means add it. Removing valid and referenced information from this page simply because it makes a conservative institution look bad is ridiculous. '''---[[user:DLerner]]---''' 20:33, 3 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Mr. Schlafly, could you please explain what is so wrong about these citations? We all know that they are accurate, and it doesn't make sense to remove them just because of ideological differences. [[User:WillD|WillD]] 18:07, 15 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Abuse ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Bob Jones University freely admits there are allegations of sexual abuse at their university. They freely admit to firing the organization they hired to investigate the allegations. Yet a short factual edit to the Conservapedia article concerning these allegations is removed to satisfy the whims of an administrator. Looks like people will have no choice but to get their information concerning this matter from the liberal press since at least one conservative on this encyclopedia is afraid to admit a conservative university may have an abuse problem. It would be nice if conservatives had their own resources to research concerning this allegation, but no, the truth must be suppressed within the conservative community. I’m sure Wikipedia has something about Bob Jones firing GRACE. Should conservatives go to the liberal alternative since this information is unavailable on Conservapedia? I won’t, but others will, you can count on that.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:48, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:This isn't Wikipedia, where some obscure allegation by the liberal media becomes a massive &amp;quot;controversy&amp;quot; section far out of proportion to anything proven.  Sexual abuse is far worse at public schools, so that entry would be a better location for the issue.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:10, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Darn right this isn’t Wikipedia. I thought on Conservapedia article edits wouldn’t be deleted unless the matter was first discussed with the person making the edit in question. Guess I was wrong. My edit complied perfectly with the ‘rules’, yet you violated the rules written out at ''Conservapedia: How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia; rule 10 … Conservapedia does not censor any facts that comport with the basic rules.'' Even BJU is acknowledging the story is becoming wide-spread. [[http://bjunews.com/2014/02/08/more-media-outlets-reporting-on-bjus-dismissal-of-g-r-a-c-e-here-are-links-to-every-article/]] The Christian and conservative media are questioning BYU’s reasoning behind their tactics. Yet you want to deny reality by claiming, without merit, this is an obscure allegation. Even more bizarre is your utterly unsupported assertion that sexual abuse is much worse at public schools. You are simply incredible.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:23, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Bob_Jones_University&amp;diff=1076882</id>
		<title>Talk:Bob Jones University</title>
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		<updated>2014-02-14T17:48:24Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Before I write about it I want to bring this up. BJU does not allow jazz, country, rock or even contemporary Christian music[http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/rhall.html], isn't it interesting that they allow guns (albeit in a limited fashion)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;All weapons must be turned in for storage. Trigger locks are required for pistols. Fireworks are not permitted on campus.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now, I'm not a gun-control advocate, but can't a gun hurt you more spiritually (not to mention physically) then Louis Armstrong or Johnny Cash? [[User:DLerner|DLerner]] 21:17, 4 March 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Though when you think about it, [[Klezmer]] is allowed ;) [[User:DLerner|DLerner]] 21:18, 4 March 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Accreditation==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm new here and just wanted to know.... Would it be appropriate to specify that the college is accredited by the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools, Accreditation Commission? [[User:DrCB|DrCB]] 23:18, 16 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Racism ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Andy, just because the Democrats ALSO supported slavery, racism and segregation of African-Americans, does not mean that you should delete facts from this article. BJU supported segregation long after the Democratic party had given it up, (in fact it wasn't until ''around 2000'' BJU lifted their ban on interracial dating, these are facts.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you feel that the Page on the Democratic party should mention the history of their attitude toward African-Americans, by all means add it. Removing valid and referenced information from this page simply because it makes a conservative institution look bad is ridiculous. '''---[[user:DLerner]]---''' 20:33, 3 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Mr. Schlafly, could you please explain what is so wrong about these citations? We all know that they are accurate, and it doesn't make sense to remove them just because of ideological differences. [[User:WillD|WillD]] 18:07, 15 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Abuse ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Bob Jones University freely admits there are allegations of sexual abuse at their university. They freely admit to firing the organization they hired to investigate the allegations. Yet a short factual edit to the Conservapedia article concerning these allegations is removed to satisfy the whims of an administrator. Looks like people will have no choice but to get their information concerning this matter from the liberal press since at least one conservative on this encyclopedia is afraid to admit a conservative university may have an abuse problem. It would be nice if conservatives had their own resources to research concerning this allegation, but no, the truth must be suppressed within the conservative community. I’m sure Wikipedia has something about Bob Jones firing GRACE. Should conservatives go to the liberal alternative since this information is unavailable on Conservapedia? I won’t, but others will, you can count on that.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:48, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Climate_agenda&amp;diff=1076874</id>
		<title>Talk:Climate agenda</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Climate_agenda&amp;diff=1076874"/>
		<updated>2014-02-14T17:00:55Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;The opening paragraph should be edited to reflect the actual history of climate change/global warming. References would also be nice.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:44, 13 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:If &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; is defined as the same thing as [[global warming]], then this article should be a redirect. &amp;quot;Climate change&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;global warming&amp;quot; are both generic terms when interpreted literally. In these articles, both terms are being used as shorthand to refer to the anthropogenic global warming theory. This is of course a common media usage as well, perhaps because it lends itself to misleading terminology like &amp;quot;climate change denier&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;global warming denier.&amp;quot; The climate has always been changing, and the greens didn't discover this. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 07:36, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Please reread the last sentence of my edit, ''Climate change was still used to refer to the other changes thought to be caused by increased CO2.'' In the academic and research world’s, climate change and global warming are not synonymous. Global warming is one of the consequences of anthropogenic climate change. I’d like to think an encyclopedia would be able to differentiate between the two without promoting common misconceptions.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:03, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::So much for my request to have this article reflect reality. If this isn’t bad enough, evolution is now being discussed in the opening paragraph of a climate change article. Is it too much to ask for references? This is required by the commandments after all. I even tried to find ''anything'' that could even provide a hint of evidence backing up the first paragraph, but alas, I was unsuccessful.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:00, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Bob_Jones_University&amp;diff=1076873</id>
		<title>Bob Jones University</title>
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		<updated>2014-02-14T16:50:15Z</updated>

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'''Bob Jones University''' is a [[conservative]], [[Christian]] arts college in Greenville, [[South Carolina]].  It welcomes [[homeschoolers]]; nearly 30% of the student body has graduated from homeschool programs.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Bob Jones University. [http://www.bju.edu/campaign/homeschool/ ''Welcome Homeschool Students'']&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Its Mission Statement is: Within the cultural and academic soil of liberal arts education, Bob Jones University exists to grow Christlike character that is Scripturally disciplined; others-serving; God-loving; Christ-proclaiming; and focused Above.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Rev. Dr. [[Ian Paisley]], MP, leader of the [[Democratic Unionist Party]] and First Minister of the [[Northern Ireland]] Executive, holds an honorary doctorate from Bob Jones University. [[Billy Graham]] also attended Bob Jones University, although he ended up graduating from Wheaton College in Illinois.  [[John D. Ashcroft]] accepted an honorary degree from BJU in May 1999. Republican senators [[Jesse Helms]] (N.C.) and [[Strom Thurmond]] (S.C.), along with Republican Representatives [[Lindsey Graham]] (S.C.) and [[Asa Hutchinson]] (Ark.), also received honorary degrees. &amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;wash&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Washington Post:  Bob Jones: A Magnet School for Controversy, University's Policies Haunt GOP Hopefuls, By Juliet Eilperin and Hanna Rosin, Friday, February 25, 2000; Page A06 [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/2000-02/25/045r-022500-idx.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Asa Hutchinson]] and his brother, [[Tim Hutchinson]], graduated from BJU in the early '70s. &amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;wash&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;  &lt;br /&gt;
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For years, Bob Jones University was a routine campaign stop for conservative Republicans visiting South Carolina.  [[Ronald Reagan]], [[Dan Quayle]], [[Pat Buchanan]] and [[Robert J. Dole]] campaigned at BJU.  &amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;wash&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;  Presidential candidate [[Alan Keyes]] and Democratic South Carolina Gov. Jim Hodges also campaigned there. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Salon.com:  Jonesing for votes, George W. Bush's speech at a college that bans interracial dating raises questions about his compassion, by Jake Tapper [http://archive.salon.com/politics2000/feature/2000/02/03/bob_jones/index.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Accreditation==&lt;br /&gt;
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Bob Jones, Sr., the founder of BJU, was fearful of obtaining academic accreditation for the school. Over the years, as pressure mounted on the institution to give its students the benefits of accredited degrees, the university moved towards membership in the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools. Accreditation was not obtained until 2005.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;bju.edu:  Bob Jones University Granted National Accreditation, Greenville, S.C., November 8, 2006[http://www.bju.edu/accreditation.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==College Life==&lt;br /&gt;
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Bob Jones University is well known for its stringent rules it applies to its students, and many of its rules are based on a strict interpretation of the [[Bible]]. Pornography, homosexuality and sexual activity outside of marriage are all strictly banned. Students are not allowed to have posters of movie and music stars and fashion models in their dorms or watch films or listen to New Age, [[jazz]], [[rock music|rock]] and [[country music]] (including [[Contemporary Christian music]]) &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.bju.edu/become-a-student/accepted-students/expectations/residence.php&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. Strict dress codes also apply. Conservative and modest dress styles are required and tattoos, dyed hair and body piercings (with the exception of ear piercings for female students) are all banned.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Political Controversy==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the primary race in 2000, [[George W. Bush]] campaigned at BJU, where he stated &amp;quot;I look forward to publicly defending our conservative philosophy.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;At Bob Jones U., A Disturbing Lesson About The Real George W., by  Derrick Jackson[http://www.commondreams.org/views/020900-101.htm]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; His Republican rival, [[John McCain]], used the visit against Bush in a telephone calling campaign that turned out [[Catholic]] voters for the Senator.  The McCain ad stated &amp;quot;Governor George Bush has campaigned against Sen. John McCain by seeking the support of southern fundamentalists who express anti-Catholic views.&amp;quot;  McCain said the calls didn't accuse Bush of bigotry, only the people Bush was turning to for support. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;CBS News: Bush Regrets Bob Jones U. Calls Visit There &amp;quot;A Missed Opportunity&amp;quot; NEW YORK, Feb. 27, 2000[http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/02/27/politics/main165529.shtml]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &lt;br /&gt;
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Bush reacted to the political distortions by criticizing the attempts at guilt by association.  He wrote a letter affirming that he is not a religious bigot and sent it to Cardinal John O'Connor of New York.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The letter contained this sentence, which is often quoted out of context to imply that Bush was criticizing evangelicals, when he was not: &amp;quot;On reflection, I should have been more clear in disassociating myself from anti-Catholic sentiments and racial prejudice. It was a missed opportunity, causing needless offense, which I deeply regret.&amp;quot;  CNN:  George W. Bush's Visit to Bob Jones University Continues to Stir up Controversy, aired February 27, 2000 - 8:09 p.m. ET [http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0002/27/wv.12.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Such spats are common in primaries, and McCain subsequently endorsed Bush for president in 2000&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Boston Globe. [http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/boston/access/53807426.html?FMT=ABS&amp;amp;FMTS=ABS:FT&amp;amp;type=current&amp;amp;date=May+14%2C+2000&amp;amp;author=Stacy+Milbouer%2C+GLOBE+CORRESPONDENT&amp;amp;pub=Boston+Globe&amp;amp;desc=MCCAIN'S+NEW+MESSAGE+IN+N.H.%3A+ELECT+BUSH&amp;amp;pqatl=google ''MCCAIN'S NEW MESSAGE IN N.H.: ELECT BUSH''] May 14th, 2000.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; while Bush endorsed McCain for president in 2008.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;FoxNews.com [http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Mar05/0,4670,BushMcCain,00.html ''Bush Endorses John McCain for President''] March 5th, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Racial Controversy ==&lt;br /&gt;
Bob Jones University did not enroll black students until 1971. Until 1975 only married black students were allowed to enroll. Afterwards it had a policy against interracial dating and marriage, for which the Internal Revenue Service revoked the the university's 501(c)(3) tax exempt status in 1976. The University challenged this action, but lost when the Supreme Court upheld the ruling in 1983. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;This ruling was upheld, over the objection of the U.S. Solicitor General, in 1983 by the ruling of the Supreme Court of the United States in Bob Jones University v. United States.  BOB JONES UNIVERSITY v. UNITED STATES, 461 U.S. 574 (1983) [http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&amp;amp;vol=461&amp;amp;invol=574].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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The university announced in 2000 that its policy against interracial dating was no longer being enforced and was officially discarded. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;CNN:  Bob Jones University ends ban on interracial dating, March 4, 2000 [http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/03/04/bob.jones/]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In late 2008, the university issued a statement &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;BJU: ''Statement about Race at Bob Jones University'' [http://www.bju.edu/about/race.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, apologizing for its earlier policies.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sexual Abuse Report Controversy ==&lt;br /&gt;
For decades, it is alleged, former students and staff from Bob Jones University stated students who sought help from university counselors were told not to report the abuse because turning in an abuser from the Christian community would damage Jesus Christ. It is further alleged the university administrators called the victims liars and sinners. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/education/christian-school-faulted-for-halting-abuse-study.html?_r=0&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The university hired ''Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment'' (GRACE), an organization dedicated to to educate and empower the Christian community to identify, confront and respond to the sin of child abuse. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://netgrace.org/about-us/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; On February 7, 2014, Dr. Stephen Jones, president of Bob Jones University announced the termination of a contract with GRACE even though the report was in the final stages. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://blogs.bju.edu/pr/2014/02/07/update-from-dr-stephen-jones-on-grace/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On February 13, the university released the following statement: ''Bob Jones University and GRACE will meet next week to discuss the concerns of both parties and determine a plan for moving forward. Bob Jones University and GRACE remain hopeful this project can be completed with GRACE and in so doing raise sexual abuse awareness and minister to victims whose lives have been ravaged by abuse.'' &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20140213/NEWS/302130057&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== References ==&lt;br /&gt;
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== External Links ==&lt;br /&gt;
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*[http://www.bju.edu Official Website]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/rhall.html Residence Hall Life]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.bju.edu/accreditation.html Accreditation Press Release]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Nb_US_universities|South Carolina}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Climate_agenda&amp;diff=1076869</id>
		<title>Talk:Climate agenda</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Climate_agenda&amp;diff=1076869"/>
		<updated>2014-02-14T16:03:44Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;The opening paragraph should be edited to reflect the actual history of climate change/global warming. References would also be nice.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:44, 13 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:If &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; is defined as the same thing as [[global warming]], then this article should be a redirect. &amp;quot;Climate change&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;global warming&amp;quot; are both generic terms when interpreted literally. In these articles, both terms are being used as shorthand to refer to the anthropogenic global warming theory. This is of course a common media usage as well, perhaps because it lends itself to misleading terminology like &amp;quot;climate change denier&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;global warming denier.&amp;quot; The climate has always been changing, and the greens didn't discover this. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 07:36, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Please reread the last sentence of my edit, ''Climate change was still used to refer to the other changes thought to be caused by increased CO2.'' In the academic and research world’s, climate change and global warming are not synonymous. Global warming is one of the consequences of anthropogenic climate change. I’d like to think an encyclopedia would be able to differentiate between the two without promoting common misconceptions.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:03, 14 February 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Climate agenda</title>
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&lt;div&gt;'''Climate change''' is the new name used by [[liberal]]s for their [[global warming]] hoax, which they coined as it became obvious that there is no crisis in global warming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Climate change occurs naturally, which scientists say has occurred in repeated cycles of cooling (see [[Ice Age]]s) and warming over millions of years. Yet many writers have been urging America to fund an ill-conceived initiative to &amp;quot;stop global warming&amp;quot;, as if warmer nights or winters would make human life more difficult. The term &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; has largely replaced the term &amp;quot;global warming&amp;quot;, in ideological discussions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ideologues insist that the world's top scientists have reached a &amp;quot;consensus&amp;quot; that most of the warming which land-based weather stations have recorded in the last century is due to human activity. The basis for this claim is a set of reports published by the [[IPCC]], an agency of the United Nations. The assumption is that the government-appointed representatives who run the IPCC would be completely objective and neutral, and would place finding and revealing the truth ahead of any nationalistic interests. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A lot of money is spent publicizing one side's position in the debate: &lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;Newsweek purports to take readers inside the world of “Global-Warming Deniers: A Well-Funded Machine” without mentioning that the global-warming alarmists are even better funded, in some cases with government support. [http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/aug/15/the-hottest-year-1934/]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Journalists omit mention of key scientific points:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Good news is no news, which is why the mainstream media largely ignores all studies showing net benefits of climate change. [http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/17/the-good-side-of-climate-change/]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ideologues use all sorts of tricks to convince the general public to support them on the climate change issue. A perennial favorite is to trumpet the current year as the &amp;quot;[[warmest year on record]]&amp;quot;, as if one [[outlier]] denotes a [[trend]]. Probably the most insidious kind of trick is to accuse objective people of cherry-picking and censorship, while hypocritically doing just that themselves. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The allegedly harmful effects of climate change include warming temperatures, changing weather patterns, an increase in sea level and in general any climate event affected by global warming.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://chaser.env.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~kengo/lec/IPCC_TAR-FRONT.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Climate change is one of the top [[Environmental Issues|environmental issues]], with [[liberal]]s and [[conservative]]s evenly divided on whether [[global warming]] is man-made or, if it is significantly occurring, is a natural event — along with [[global cooling]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Jack M. Hollander wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
*The planet has warmed since the mid-1800s, but before that it cooled for more than five centuries. Cycles of warming and cooling have been part of Earth's natural [[climate history]] for millions of years. So what is the [[global warming debate]] about? It's about the proposition that human use of [[fossil fuels]] has contributed significantly to the past century's warming, and that expected future warming may have catastrophic global consequences. But hard evidence for this human contribution simply does not exist; the evidence we have is suggestive at best. Does that mean the human effects are not occurring? Not necessarily. But [[Climategate_media_coverage#Climategate_media_coverage|media coverage]] of global warming has been so alarmist that it fails to convey how flimsy the evidence really is. Most people don't realize that many strong statements about a human contribution to global warming are based more on [[politics]] than on [[science]]. Indeed, the climate change issue has become so highly [[Politicization of science|politicized]] that its scientific and political aspects are now almost indistinguishable. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-2875898_ITM Global Warming: Both Sides&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Questions==&lt;br /&gt;
#What is the most important greenhouse gas?&lt;br /&gt;
#*AGW proponents say it's [[carbon dioxide]]&lt;br /&gt;
#*A peer-reviewed scientific paper says it's [[water vapor]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas ...&amp;quot; [http://thejll.com/Frascati/ReichelThejllLassenSCL.pdf] &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
#What is the role of clouds?&lt;br /&gt;
#*Low-altitude clouds reflect some of the sun's radiation back into the atmosphere, cooling the earth. It's not yet known whether global warming will dissipate clouds, which would effectively speed up the process of climate change, or increase [[cloud cover]], which would slow it down. [http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1912448,00.html#ixzz1EyuBDJo1]&lt;br /&gt;
#What are the uncertainties in understanding climatic change?&lt;br /&gt;
#*The UN's climate panel said recently there is '''a 90% chance''' that most of the last 50 to 100 years of global warming are due to human activity&lt;br /&gt;
#*[[Sallie Baliunas]] points out that the same climate panel also said, &amp;quot;Our ability to quantify the human influence on global climate is limited because the expected signal is still emerging from the noise of natural variability, and because there are uncertainties in key factors&amp;quot; [http://oldfraser.lexi.net/publications/books/g_warming/solar.html]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[cloud cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[ice age]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hypocrisy==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Many times, AGW advocates pay lip service to general principles which they themselves violate, while broadcasting false accusations that their opponents are violating these principles. The AGW side has made every effort to censor their opponents, heaping enormous pressure on scientists and other academics to silence them. Accordingly, the US media gave great publicity to [[James Hansen]] when he accused NASA of trying to silence him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Hansen &amp;quot;shot to fame when he accused the administration of trying to censor his views on climate change&amp;quot; [http://www.dailytech.com/Blogger+finds+Y2K+bug+in+NASA+Climate+Data/article8383.htm] &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Environmentalism and climate change==&lt;br /&gt;
The main contention of [[environmentalist]]s like [[Al Gore]] is the argument that:&lt;br /&gt;
#The earth's atmosphere warmed one or two degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 Centigrade) during the 20th century.&lt;br /&gt;
#Most of this warming is man-made.&lt;br /&gt;
#The warming is likely to continue and to be harmful to human, animal and plant life.&lt;br /&gt;
#We must all work together to stop it by reducing emission of [[greenhouse gases]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Science and climate change==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Jack M. Hollander wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;... climate change remains a fascinating and important scientific subject. Climate dynamics and climate history are extraordinarily complex, and despite intensive study for decades, scientists are not yet able to explain satisfactorily such basic phenomena as extreme weather events ([[hurricane]]s, [[tornado]]es, [[drought]]s), El Nino variations, historical [[climate cycles]], and trends of [[atmospheric temperature]]s. The scientific uncertainties about all these matters are great, and not surprisingly, competent scientists disagree in their interpretations of what is and is not known.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-2875898_ITM&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
William Happer wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;The current debates about global climate change are complicated by our not understanding the physics of the sun or of the earth’s atmosphere and oceans well enough to dismiss them as major causes of climate change on the earth. Dramatic climate changes like the [[medieval warm period]] at the time of the [[Viking]] settlements of [[Iceland]] and [[Greenland]] from about a.d. 900 to 1250, and the subsequent “[[little ice age]],” from about 1250 to 1700, which led to extinction of the Greenland settlements, were certainly not caused by manmade changes in the concentration of [[carbon dioxide]] in the atmosphere.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://media.hoover.org/documents/0817939326_27.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One of the major problems with many scientists' conclusions about climate change is a misunderstanding of [[correlation]] versus [[causation]]. Some studies show correlations between increasing concentrations of atmospheric greenhouse gases and increasing [[precipitation]], and between human activity and atmospheric greenhouse gases, and then go so far as to conclude that humans are causing increased rain, snow, and catastrophic flooding.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Gillis, Justin. &amp;quot;Study Links Rise in Rain and Snow to Human Actions.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;The New York Times&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, February 16, 2011. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/science/earth/17extreme.html?_r=2&amp;amp;ref=science&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Schiermeier, Quirin. &amp;quot;Increased Flood Risk Linked to Global Warming.&amp;quot; 2011. &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Nature&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, Vol. 470, p. 316. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110216/full/470316a.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Correlation does not imply causation. This is especially true considering the relatively short periods of data used (a few decades at most) compared to the Earth's age, and the fact that weather patterns have been cyclic throughout history (see [[climate cycles]]).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==History of Climate Change vs. Global Warming==&lt;br /&gt;
The term climate change has its origins several decades ago when physicist Gilbert Plass published a study called ''The Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climatic Change'' in 1956. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01206.x/abstract&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
In this study, Plass postulated the release of CO2 into the atmosphere by industrial and other human activities may have caused the temperature rise noticed in the twentieth century.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The term global warming was first thought to be used by Wallace Broecker, a geochemist from [[Columbia University]]'s Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory. His paper, ''Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?'' &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/files/2009/10/broeckerglobalwarming75.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; acknowledged the scenario of global warming, though there was a common acknowledgement that airborne aerosols may cause global cooling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A National Academy of Science study of carbon dioxide's impact on climate published in 1979 also used the term global warming to refer to surface temperature change. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/~brianpm/download/charney_report.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Jule Charney of the [[Massachusetts Institute of Technology]] in Cambridge declared: &amp;quot;If carbon dioxide continues to increase, we find no reason to doubt that climate changes will result and no reason to believe that these changes will be negligible.” Climate change was still used to refer to the other changes thought to be caused by increased CO2.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Further Reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/CCRG.pdf Climate Change Reference Guide]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.who.int/heli/risks/climate/climatedirectory/en/index1.html Climate change: directory of references/resources]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-references/faq/global-warming.php National Climatic Data Center]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.realclimate.org/ Real Climate]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar5/wg1/ IPCC Fifth Assessment Report]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[anthropogenic global warming]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-2875898_ITM Global warming: both sides]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.no-carbon-tax.org Australian Anti-Climate Hypocrisy Site]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Environmentalism]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Climategate scandal}}&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Climate change]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Liberal Falsehoods]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;'''Climate change''' is the new name used by [[liberal]]s for their [[global warming]] hoax, which they coined as it became obvious that there is no crisis in global warming.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Climate change occurs naturally, which scientists say has occurred in repeated cycles of cooling (see [[Ice Age]]s) and warming over millions of years. Yet many writers have been urging America to fund an ill-conceived initiative to &amp;quot;stop global warming&amp;quot;, as if warmer nights or winters would make human life more difficult. The term &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; has largely replaced the term &amp;quot;global warming&amp;quot;, in ideological discussions.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ideologues insist that the world's top scientists have reached a &amp;quot;consensus&amp;quot; that most of the warming which land-based weather stations have recorded in the last century is due to human activity. The basis for this claim is a set of reports published by the [[IPCC]], an agency of the United Nations. The assumption is that the government-appointed representatives who run the IPCC would be completely objective and neutral, and would place finding and revealing the truth ahead of any nationalistic interests. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A lot of money is spent publicizing one side's position in the debate: &lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;Newsweek purports to take readers inside the world of “Global-Warming Deniers: A Well-Funded Machine” without mentioning that the global-warming alarmists are even better funded, in some cases with government support. [http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/aug/15/the-hottest-year-1934/]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Journalists omit mention of key scientific points:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Good news is no news, which is why the mainstream media largely ignores all studies showing net benefits of climate change. [http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/17/the-good-side-of-climate-change/]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ideologues use all sorts of tricks to convince the general public to support them on the climate change issue. A perennial favorite is to trumpet the current year as the &amp;quot;[[warmest year on record]]&amp;quot;, as if one [[outlier]] denotes a [[trend]]. Probably the most insidious kind of trick is to accuse objective people of cherry-picking and censorship, while hypocritically doing just that themselves. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The allegedly harmful effects of climate change include warming temperatures, changing weather patterns, an increase in sea level and in general any climate event affected by global warming.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://chaser.env.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~kengo/lec/IPCC_TAR-FRONT.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Climate change is one of the top [[Environmental Issues|environmental issues]], with [[liberal]]s and [[conservative]]s evenly divided on whether [[global warming]] is man-made or, if it is significantly occurring, is a natural event — along with [[global cooling]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Jack M. Hollander wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
*The planet has warmed since the mid-1800s, but before that it cooled for more than five centuries. Cycles of warming and cooling have been part of Earth's natural [[climate history]] for millions of years. So what is the [[global warming debate]] about? It's about the proposition that human use of [[fossil fuels]] has contributed significantly to the past century's warming, and that expected future warming may have catastrophic global consequences. But hard evidence for this human contribution simply does not exist; the evidence we have is suggestive at best. Does that mean the human effects are not occurring? Not necessarily. But [[Climategate_media_coverage#Climategate_media_coverage|media coverage]] of global warming has been so alarmist that it fails to convey how flimsy the evidence really is. Most people don't realize that many strong statements about a human contribution to global warming are based more on [[politics]] than on [[science]]. Indeed, the climate change issue has become so highly [[Politicization of science|politicized]] that its scientific and political aspects are now almost indistinguishable. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-2875898_ITM Global Warming: Both Sides&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Questions==&lt;br /&gt;
#What is the most important greenhouse gas?&lt;br /&gt;
#*AGW proponents say it's [[carbon dioxide]]&lt;br /&gt;
#*A peer-reviewed scientific paper says it's [[water vapor]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas ...&amp;quot; [http://thejll.com/Frascati/ReichelThejllLassenSCL.pdf] &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
#What is the role of clouds?&lt;br /&gt;
#*Low-altitude clouds reflect some of the sun's radiation back into the atmosphere, cooling the earth. It's not yet known whether global warming will dissipate clouds, which would effectively speed up the process of climate change, or increase [[cloud cover]], which would slow it down. [http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1912448,00.html#ixzz1EyuBDJo1]&lt;br /&gt;
#What are the uncertainties in understanding climatic change?&lt;br /&gt;
#*The UN's climate panel said recently there is '''a 90% chance''' that most of the last 50 to 100 years of global warming are due to human activity&lt;br /&gt;
#*[[Sallie Baliunas]] points out that the same climate panel also said, &amp;quot;Our ability to quantify the human influence on global climate is limited because the expected signal is still emerging from the noise of natural variability, and because there are uncertainties in key factors&amp;quot; [http://oldfraser.lexi.net/publications/books/g_warming/solar.html]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[cloud cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[ice age]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Hypocrisy==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Many times, AGW advocates pay lip service to general principles which they themselves violate, while broadcasting false accusations that their opponents are violating these principles. The AGW side has made every effort to censor their opponents, heaping enormous pressure on scientists and other academics to silence them. Accordingly, the US media gave great publicity to [[James Hansen]] when he accused NASA of trying to silence him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Hansen &amp;quot;shot to fame when he accused the administration of trying to censor his views on climate change&amp;quot; [http://www.dailytech.com/Blogger+finds+Y2K+bug+in+NASA+Climate+Data/article8383.htm] &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Environmentalism and climate change==&lt;br /&gt;
The main contention of [[environmentalist]]s like [[Al Gore]] is the argument that:&lt;br /&gt;
#The earth's atmosphere warmed one or two degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 Centigrade) during the 20th century.&lt;br /&gt;
#Most of this warming is man-made.&lt;br /&gt;
#The warming is likely to continue and to be harmful to human, animal and plant life.&lt;br /&gt;
#We must all work together to stop it by reducing emission of [[greenhouse gases]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Science and climate change==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Jack M. Hollander wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;... climate change remains a fascinating and important scientific subject. Climate dynamics and climate history are extraordinarily complex, and despite intensive study for decades, scientists are not yet able to explain satisfactorily such basic phenomena as extreme weather events ([[hurricane]]s, [[tornado]]es, [[drought]]s), El Nino variations, historical [[climate cycles]], and trends of [[atmospheric temperature]]s. The scientific uncertainties about all these matters are great, and not surprisingly, competent scientists disagree in their interpretations of what is and is not known.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-2875898_ITM&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
William Happer wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;The current debates about global climate change are complicated by our not understanding the physics of the sun or of the earth’s atmosphere and oceans well enough to dismiss them as major causes of climate change on the earth. Dramatic climate changes like the [[medieval warm period]] at the time of the [[Viking]] settlements of [[Iceland]] and [[Greenland]] from about a.d. 900 to 1250, and the subsequent “[[little ice age]],” from about 1250 to 1700, which led to extinction of the Greenland settlements, were certainly not caused by manmade changes in the concentration of [[carbon dioxide]] in the atmosphere.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://media.hoover.org/documents/0817939326_27.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One of the major problems with many scientists' conclusions about climate change is a misunderstanding of [[correlation]] versus [[causation]]. Some studies show correlations between increasing concentrations of atmospheric greenhouse gases and increasing [[precipitation]], and between human activity and atmospheric greenhouse gases, and then go so far as to conclude that humans are causing increased rain, snow, and catastrophic flooding.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Gillis, Justin. &amp;quot;Study Links Rise in Rain and Snow to Human Actions.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;The New York Times&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, February 16, 2011. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/science/earth/17extreme.html?_r=2&amp;amp;ref=science&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Schiermeier, Quirin. &amp;quot;Increased Flood Risk Linked to Global Warming.&amp;quot; 2011. &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Nature&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, Vol. 470, p. 316. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110216/full/470316a.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Correlation does not imply causation. This is especially true considering the relatively short periods of data used (a few decades at most) compared to the Earth's age, and the fact that weather patterns have been cyclic throughout history (see [[climate cycles]]).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==History of Climate Change vs. Global Warming==&lt;br /&gt;
The term climate change has its origins several decades ago when physicist Gilbert Plass published a study called ''The Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climatic Change'' in 1956. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01206.x/abstract&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
In this study, Plass postulated the release of CO2 into the atmosphere by industrial and other human activities may have caused the temperature rise noticed in the twentieth century.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The term global warming was first thought to be used by Wallace Broecker, a geochemist from [[Columbia University]]'s Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory. His paper, ''Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?'' &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/files/2009/10/broeckerglobalwarming75.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; acknowledged the scenario of global warming, though there was a common acknowledgement that airborne aerosols may cause global cooling. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A National Academy of Science study of carbon dioxide's impact on climate published in 1979 also used the term global warming to refer to surface temperature change. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/~brianpm/download/charney_report.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Jule Charney of the [[Massachusetts Institute of Technology]] in Cambridge declared: &amp;quot;If carbon dioxide continues to increase, we find no reason to doubt that climate changes will result and no reason to believe that these changes will be negligible.” Climate change was still used to refer to the other changes thought to be caused by increased CO2.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[anthropogenic global warming]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-2875898_ITM Global warming: both sides]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.no-carbon-tax.org Australian Anti-Climate Hypocrisy Site]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Environmentalism]]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Climategate scandal}}&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Climate change]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Liberal Falsehoods]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Climate_agenda&amp;diff=1076826</id>
		<title>Climate agenda</title>
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		<updated>2014-02-14T04:37:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: History&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''Climate change''' is the new name used by [[liberal]]s for their [[global warming]] hoax, which they coined as it became obvious that there is no crisis in global warming.&lt;br /&gt;
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Climate change occurs naturally, which scientists say has occurred in repeated cycles of cooling (see [[Ice Age]]s) and warming over millions of years. Yet many writers have been urging America to fund an ill-conceived initiative to &amp;quot;stop global warming&amp;quot;, as if warmer nights or winters would make human life more difficult. The term &amp;quot;climate change&amp;quot; has largely replaced the term &amp;quot;global warming&amp;quot;, in ideological discussions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Ideologues insist that the world's top scientists have reached a &amp;quot;consensus&amp;quot; that most of the warming which land-based weather stations have recorded in the last century is due to human activity. The basis for this claim is a set of reports published by the [[IPCC]], an agency of the United Nations. The assumption is that the government-appointed representatives who run the IPCC would be completely objective and neutral, and would place finding and revealing the truth ahead of any nationalistic interests. &lt;br /&gt;
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A lot of money is spent publicizing one side's position in the debate: &lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;Newsweek purports to take readers inside the world of “Global-Warming Deniers: A Well-Funded Machine” without mentioning that the global-warming alarmists are even better funded, in some cases with government support. [http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/aug/15/the-hottest-year-1934/]&lt;br /&gt;
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Journalists omit mention of key scientific points:&lt;br /&gt;
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* Good news is no news, which is why the mainstream media largely ignores all studies showing net benefits of climate change. [http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/17/the-good-side-of-climate-change/]&lt;br /&gt;
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Ideologues use all sorts of tricks to convince the general public to support them on the climate change issue. A perennial favorite is to trumpet the current year as the &amp;quot;[[warmest year on record]]&amp;quot;, as if one [[outlier]] denotes a [[trend]]. Probably the most insidious kind of trick is to accuse objective people of cherry-picking and censorship, while hypocritically doing just that themselves. &lt;br /&gt;
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The allegedly harmful effects of climate change include warming temperatures, changing weather patterns, an increase in sea level and in general any climate event affected by global warming.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://chaser.env.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~kengo/lec/IPCC_TAR-FRONT.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Climate change is one of the top [[Environmental Issues|environmental issues]], with [[liberal]]s and [[conservative]]s evenly divided on whether [[global warming]] is man-made or, if it is significantly occurring, is a natural event — along with [[global cooling]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Jack M. Hollander wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
*The planet has warmed since the mid-1800s, but before that it cooled for more than five centuries. Cycles of warming and cooling have been part of Earth's natural [[climate history]] for millions of years. So what is the [[global warming debate]] about? It's about the proposition that human use of [[fossil fuels]] has contributed significantly to the past century's warming, and that expected future warming may have catastrophic global consequences. But hard evidence for this human contribution simply does not exist; the evidence we have is suggestive at best. Does that mean the human effects are not occurring? Not necessarily. But [[Climategate_media_coverage#Climategate_media_coverage|media coverage]] of global warming has been so alarmist that it fails to convey how flimsy the evidence really is. Most people don't realize that many strong statements about a human contribution to global warming are based more on [[politics]] than on [[science]]. Indeed, the climate change issue has become so highly [[Politicization of science|politicized]] that its scientific and political aspects are now almost indistinguishable. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-2875898_ITM Global Warming: Both Sides&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Questions==&lt;br /&gt;
#What is the most important greenhouse gas?&lt;br /&gt;
#*AGW proponents say it's [[carbon dioxide]]&lt;br /&gt;
#*A peer-reviewed scientific paper says it's [[water vapor]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas ...&amp;quot; [http://thejll.com/Frascati/ReichelThejllLassenSCL.pdf] &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
#What is the role of clouds?&lt;br /&gt;
#*Low-altitude clouds reflect some of the sun's radiation back into the atmosphere, cooling the earth. It's not yet known whether global warming will dissipate clouds, which would effectively speed up the process of climate change, or increase [[cloud cover]], which would slow it down. [http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1912448,00.html#ixzz1EyuBDJo1]&lt;br /&gt;
#What are the uncertainties in understanding climatic change?&lt;br /&gt;
#*The UN's climate panel said recently there is '''a 90% chance''' that most of the last 50 to 100 years of global warming are due to human activity&lt;br /&gt;
#*[[Sallie Baliunas]] points out that the same climate panel also said, &amp;quot;Our ability to quantify the human influence on global climate is limited because the expected signal is still emerging from the noise of natural variability, and because there are uncertainties in key factors&amp;quot; [http://oldfraser.lexi.net/publications/books/g_warming/solar.html]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[cloud cover]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[ice age]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Hypocrisy==&lt;br /&gt;
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Many times, AGW advocates pay lip service to general principles which they themselves violate, while broadcasting false accusations that their opponents are violating these principles. The AGW side has made every effort to censor their opponents, heaping enormous pressure on scientists and other academics to silence them. Accordingly, the US media gave great publicity to [[James Hansen]] when he accused NASA of trying to silence him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Hansen &amp;quot;shot to fame when he accused the administration of trying to censor his views on climate change&amp;quot; [http://www.dailytech.com/Blogger+finds+Y2K+bug+in+NASA+Climate+Data/article8383.htm] &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Environmentalism and climate change==&lt;br /&gt;
The main contention of [[environmentalist]]s like [[Al Gore]] is the argument that:&lt;br /&gt;
#The earth's atmosphere warmed one or two degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 Centigrade) during the 20th century.&lt;br /&gt;
#Most of this warming is man-made.&lt;br /&gt;
#The warming is likely to continue and to be harmful to human, animal and plant life.&lt;br /&gt;
#We must all work together to stop it by reducing emission of [[greenhouse gases]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Science and climate change==&lt;br /&gt;
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Jack M. Hollander wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;... climate change remains a fascinating and important scientific subject. Climate dynamics and climate history are extraordinarily complex, and despite intensive study for decades, scientists are not yet able to explain satisfactorily such basic phenomena as extreme weather events ([[hurricane]]s, [[tornado]]es, [[drought]]s), El Nino variations, historical [[climate cycles]], and trends of [[atmospheric temperature]]s. The scientific uncertainties about all these matters are great, and not surprisingly, competent scientists disagree in their interpretations of what is and is not known.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-2875898_ITM&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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William Happer wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;The current debates about global climate change are complicated by our not understanding the physics of the sun or of the earth’s atmosphere and oceans well enough to dismiss them as major causes of climate change on the earth. Dramatic climate changes like the [[medieval warm period]] at the time of the [[Viking]] settlements of [[Iceland]] and [[Greenland]] from about a.d. 900 to 1250, and the subsequent “[[little ice age]],” from about 1250 to 1700, which led to extinction of the Greenland settlements, were certainly not caused by manmade changes in the concentration of [[carbon dioxide]] in the atmosphere.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://media.hoover.org/documents/0817939326_27.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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One of the major problems with many scientists' conclusions about climate change is a misunderstanding of [[correlation]] versus [[causation]]. Some studies show correlations between increasing concentrations of atmospheric greenhouse gases and increasing [[precipitation]], and between human activity and atmospheric greenhouse gases, and then go so far as to conclude that humans are causing increased rain, snow, and catastrophic flooding.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Gillis, Justin. &amp;quot;Study Links Rise in Rain and Snow to Human Actions.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;The New York Times&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, February 16, 2011. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/science/earth/17extreme.html?_r=2&amp;amp;ref=science&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Schiermeier, Quirin. &amp;quot;Increased Flood Risk Linked to Global Warming.&amp;quot; 2011. &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Nature&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;, Vol. 470, p. 316. http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110216/full/470316a.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Correlation does not imply causation. This is especially true considering the relatively short periods of data used (a few decades at most) compared to the Earth's age, and the fact that weather patterns have been cyclic throughout history (see [[climate cycles]]).&lt;br /&gt;
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==History of Climate Change vs. Global Warming==&lt;br /&gt;
The term climate change has its origins several decades ago when physicist Gilbert Plass published a study called ''The Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climatic Change'' in 1956. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01206.x/abstract&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
In this study, Plass postulated the release of CO2 into the atmosphere by industrial and other human activities may have caused the temperature rise noticed in the twentieth century.&lt;br /&gt;
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The term global warming was first thought to be used by Wallace Broecker, a geochemist from Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Geological Observatory. His paper, ''Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?'' &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/files/2009/10/broeckerglobalwarming75.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; acknowledged the scenario of global warming, though there was a common acknowledgement that airborne aerosols may cause global cooling. &lt;br /&gt;
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A National Academy of Science study of carbon dioxide's impact on climate published in 1979 also used the term global warming to refer to surface temperature change. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/~brianpm/download/charney_report.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Jule Charney of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge declared: &amp;quot;If carbon dioxide continues to increase, we find no reason to doubt that climate changes will result and no reason to believe that these changes will be negligible.” Climate change was still used to refer to the other changes thought to be caused by increased CO2.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[anthropogenic global warming]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-2875898_ITM Global warming: both sides]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.no-carbon-tax.org Australian Anti-Climate Hypocrisy Site]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Environmentalism]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Climategate scandal}}&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Climate change]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Liberal Falsehoods]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075911</id>
		<title>Talk:Chevrolet Volt</title>
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		<updated>2014-02-06T00:23:34Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
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1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
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3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
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4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
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6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
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7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its &amp;quot;fact,&amp;quot; and otherwise it's &amp;quot;opinion&amp;quot;? This is just word games. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rules proposal==&lt;br /&gt;
I think Norman brought up some valid points about this particular vehicle, as well as Peter.  I think green energy politics may be involved with this one, but I don't have the cites to back the allegation up.  Setting that aside, there's going to be pros and cons with this and any other car on the road, and this article just isn't up to par.  So here's a proposal on something akin to rules for a layout on this and any other article about cars and trucks.  &lt;br /&gt;
:1.  Describe the car itself.  This needs to be a physical description of the car, including company making it; where it's made; years of manufacture; performance packages; wheelbase; powertrains; prices; MPG's; speed, and so on.  Since the Volt is electric, how many batteries does it have?  Does it have a generator engine?  How far can it go on a charge?&lt;br /&gt;
:2.  Describe the pros and cons of the vehicle; describe why people like it, and why others don't.  Is the car very good, or is it just another lemon?  For citations, limit yourself to using official press releases from the automakers (Chevy in this case); reputable publications (''Car and Driver'', ''Motor Trend'', ''Consumer Reports'', etc).  If you use a blog citation, make sure that the writer direct connections to the above publications or is a respected member of the auto community (i.e. Chip Foose, Kammie Edelbrock, Jeff Gordon, etc).  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:3.  As to the politics involving the Chevy Volt, place it within a separate sub-topic heading.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:52, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
*I take I've been outvoted. Is Conservapedia is ready for conservative-bashing energy articles? I guess we will find out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 12:10, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Try not to see it as bashing conservative ideals, think of it as making factual and accurate articles that don’t make conservatives look miss-informed.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:51, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Like you're here to make conservatives look more informed. Aren't we &amp;quot;[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&amp;amp;action=historysubmit&amp;amp;diff=1073053&amp;amp;oldid=1073052 lunatic fringe climate deniers]&amp;quot;? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:29, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::If someone parrots the climate change rants of Monckton and Limbaugh? Then yeah, I’d say they subscribe to the lunatic fringe. Not all conservatives hold such views. The original version of this article made a bunch of literally stupid claims. The Volt is a fashion accessory, it is subsidized with factory rebates, emits harmful radiation, likely to electrocute passengers in a crash, the engine is not hooked up to the wheels, liberals and homosexuals have limited knowledge of automobiles, etc. If a person took the earlier versions of this article as gospel, they’d look rather silly regurgitating their ''facts'' to a knowledgeable Volt owner. Looks like I’m actually trying to make conservatives ''look more informed''.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 00:36, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So Limbaugh and Fox News are the lunatic fringe, but of course you don't have you anything against the conservatives who agree with you. Who would they be, anyway? If I wanted to know what mainstream conservative opinion was on a given issue, I'd check ''The American Spectator'' (&amp;quot;[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes Volt sleeps with the fishes]&amp;quot;), ''The Weekly Standard'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chevy-volt-still-not-selling_581956.html Chevy Volt: Still Not Selling]&amp;quot;), ''National Review'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/242092/gm-volt-electric-lemon-greg-pollowitz The GM Volt Is an ‘Electric Lemon’]&amp;quot;), or ''Human Events'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.humanevents.com/2012/01/07/obama-blew-more-money-on-chevy-volt-than-entire-gdp-of-djibouti/ Obama blew more money on the Chevy Volt than entire GDP of Djibouti]&amp;quot;). These are all to the right of Fox News, so I assume they'd be extradoubleplus lunatic in your book. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:41, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::On this question of what's fringe and what's not, I note that Richard Lindzen, John Christy, and Roy Spencer, [http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100257206/climate-science-is-for-second-raters-says-worlds-greatest-atmospheric-physicist/ leading climate scientists all], are skeptics. Stephen Schneider, father of the global warming scare, wasn't a climate scientist at all, but a rather mechanical engineer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:42, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If a conservative, liberal, libertarian or authoritarian makes relevant and factual claims when discussing politics, environment, economics, etc. I’ll patiently listen. When people make crackpot claims I’ll display the contempt they deserve. By the way, lunatic fringe, fringe, skeptics and denial all have different meanings. I reserve lunatic fringe for the extraordinary. The Volt is not for everyone, that doesn’t mean the car is a failure. Many ridiculous claims were made in the articles you recommended. Auto plants periodically close for numerous reasons and the Hamtramck closure was not remarkable. One of the writers made a comparison to a BMW 3 series and the Volt. I own both, I prefer the Volt. And the tripe seemed to go on and on. The climate scientists you mentioned are among the 1% of climate scientists who are skeptical of anthropogenic climate change, but I’d rather discuss such matters on the relevant talk page. As for Dr. Schneider, he was ''also'' a mechanical engineer.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 13:19, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Am to understand that 99 percent of scientists agree with you, and only 1 percent agree with me? There was a survey a while back that found that an overwhelming majority of scientists agree that the Earth is warmer now than it was a century ago. But of course I don't dispute that, and neither does Lindzen, Christy, or Spencer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:30, 2 February 2014 (EST) &lt;br /&gt;
I think we're getting a little further beyond the subject of the article. This article shouldn't be a debate ground for global warming - that's not really necessary. The article should be about the car. Link to global warming in a comment about how the car is targeted towards the environmentally friendly crowd - but what are we doing talking about Limbaugh and Fox on this talk page? Norman's right the original article was terrible and borderline parody. So far you guys have done a good job improving it.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 13:31, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:This car's primary notability is as a money pit. It's GM's attempt to follow California's idiotic regulations and appease the environmentalists. Sales are insignificant. The politics of this issue belongs in the lead section. We are not ''Consumer Reports''. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:30, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Appease is probably the wrong word - it's them targeting a type of consumer that looks to purchase &amp;quot;environmentally friendlier&amp;quot; cars. The politics of a global warming debate do not belong on a car page, no. Norman's correct. We might not be Consumer Reports, but we also try not to be idiots.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 00:46, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I have already refuted this argument more than once. GM is selling only 100-to-200 vehicles a month. They'd have to sell something like 5,000 vehicles a month to justify their development costs. Please check the articles I link to above. Since GM went to court to try to avoid California's ZEV regulation, I assume that they were already aware that there was no demand even before they decided to go ahead with the project. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:37, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So it's for positive publicity? And what's wrong with that business model? And do you have another source confirming it? And you mentioning that the sales numbers are low isn't actually refuting any argument I made. It's just stating the fact that there are low sales. And how does going to court over regulation indicate knowledge of the future? They knew how successful marketing and an ad campaign could be because they were in a California court? Fascinating.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 07:50, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I was responding to your claim that GM is, &amp;quot;targeting a type of consumer.&amp;quot; I guess in a sense they are. But sales are so low, that's obviously not a big part of the equation. The car allows GM receive government subsidies, and that money is far more significant than what they are getting from consumers.[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 09:03, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further Reading==&lt;br /&gt;
The Conservative News and Views article is a travesty of journalism filled with numerous faults and should not be featured under ''Further reading''.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.  General Motors went into bankruptcy on June 1 2009 and emerged on 10 July 2009. A total of forty days.  How this article could even imply otherwise is rather mystifying. No other entity other than the U.S. government stepped forward to assist GM, without reorganization funded by the feds; even Ford would have shut their doors.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motorsliquidationdocket.com/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/business/11auto.html?_r=0&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/ford-would-have-shut-without-auto-bailouts-rattner-says.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. GM received a government bailout that prevented the company from being broken up and terminating all their employees. As of 2012, GM employs 77,000 Americans, less than their heyday but still a lot more than zero, which is what they would have employed had the auto maker been allowed to break up. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07/american-made-index-which-automakers-affect-the-most-us-workers.html&lt;br /&gt;
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3. ''...energy-efficient vehicles, otherwise known as The Volt''. This statement makes no sense, the Chevy Volt is not the only energy-efficient vehicle produced by GM. &lt;br /&gt;
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4. The sales figures are also incorrect. There were 326 sold in 2010; 7671 sold in 2011; 23,461 in 2012 and 23,094 in 2013.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&lt;br /&gt;
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&lt;br /&gt;
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This embarrassment of an article should not be linked on Conservapedia. It gets almost nothing right and the people who read and believe the alleged facts will be sorely miss-informed.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:46, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Only the Facts Please==&lt;br /&gt;
Unreferenced assertions concerning the general public and environmentalists have been inserted into an otherwise factual article. Could references please be provided?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:12, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Electric vehicle generation of CO2 compared to a gasoline vehicle==&lt;br /&gt;
A gallon of gasoline equals 33.4 kWh and produces 19.6 lbs of CO2. Coal produces 2.08 lbs of CO2 per kWh. Using electricity generated by coal, a Volt will travel, on average, 123 miles on 33.4 kWh, the equivalent of a gallon of gasoline and generate 70 lbs of CO2. A car (BMW 328) driven by gasoline 123 miles at 27 mpg will use 4.6 gallons of gasoline and generate 90 lbs of CO2.&lt;br /&gt;
The Volt will produce 77% of the CO2 of a comparable gasoline powered car, when using natural gas the percentage will be much less. When accounting for CO2 during the production of gasoline compared to the much more efficient method of powering electrical plants, the difference will be even more profound. When the home owner uses solar panels or wind to generate electricity to power their home and drive a car 12,000 miles a year they will save thousands. Using an electric vehicle is indeed a game changer.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&amp;amp;t=3&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=74&amp;amp;t=11&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-resources/refs.html&lt;br /&gt;
:If we could afford to buy [http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors/item/4387-each-chevy-volt-costs-taxpayers-$250000 a $250,000 car] for all 7 billion people on the planet, global warming would be the least of our worries. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 20:03, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference is completely out of date. A selective use of math and assuming only Chevy Volts will use the batteries manufactured at the subsidized plants is very disingenuous. The Hamtramck plant also manufactures the Malibu. Where are these facts included in the math? Nowhere of course. Using MCC’s dubious math, selective reasoning and the increase in Volt sales, each car is now subsidized at $27,000. And this number itself is still completely inane. I’ll cut them some slack concerning the past government ownership of GM, but this doesn’t excuse anyone from using this dated reference to trash the Volt.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 19:37, 3 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Editing Compromise ==&lt;br /&gt;
Took SamHB’s advice and corrected the paragraph in question to include references. Hopefully everyone will be satisfied.&lt;br /&gt;
:It's a &amp;quot;game changer for the environment&amp;quot;? Oh my. Can we slobber over this vehicle some more? I hope GM and the UAW appreciate this work. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 20:01, 4 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Please review the edit once more, I said ''electric vehicles'', not Volt. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:03, 4 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Given that Obama plans to make electric rates &amp;quot;skyrocket,&amp;quot;[http://blog.heritage.org/2011/06/09/here-come-obama%E2%80%99s-necessarily-skyrocketing-electricity-rates/] I assume the Volt will end up taking one for the team. As near as I can tell, the environmentalists oppose all forms of power production: nuclear, coal, gas, oil, hydropower, etc. With Obama flying in the world's least fuel efficient airplane and rolling in an eight-mile-a-gallon limo, a lot of peasants will have to do without for the result to be carbon neutral. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:59, 5 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I’m sure every Pres. Obama basher has heard your skyrocket factoid. Of course what his critics never mention is the context. '''If you can’t persuade the American people that, yes there is going to be some increase in electricity rates on the front end, but that over the long-term -- because of a combination of more efficient energy uses and changing lightbulbs and more-efficient appliances, but also technology improving how we can produce clean energy -- that the economy will benefit.''' &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-obama-promise-a-war-on-affordable-energy/2012/10/19/d1fa0156-1975-11e2-aa6f-3b636fecb829_blog.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Cap and Trade used to be a huge Republican method of environmental change. Low sulfer coal, CFC gases, and unleaded gasoline were successful targets of cap and trade during Republican administrations. Even Gov. Palin and Sen. McCain were big supporters of cap and trade but now that Pres. Obama come out in favor using this mechanism to reduce CO2 the Republicans had turned tail and derided it as cap and tax. It seems if a Democrat is for it, like your current president, then they are against it. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 19:23, 5 February 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
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1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
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3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
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4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
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6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
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7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its &amp;quot;fact,&amp;quot; and otherwise it's &amp;quot;opinion&amp;quot;? This is just word games. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rules proposal==&lt;br /&gt;
I think Norman brought up some valid points about this particular vehicle, as well as Peter.  I think green energy politics may be involved with this one, but I don't have the cites to back the allegation up.  Setting that aside, there's going to be pros and cons with this and any other car on the road, and this article just isn't up to par.  So here's a proposal on something akin to rules for a layout on this and any other article about cars and trucks.  &lt;br /&gt;
:1.  Describe the car itself.  This needs to be a physical description of the car, including company making it; where it's made; years of manufacture; performance packages; wheelbase; powertrains; prices; MPG's; speed, and so on.  Since the Volt is electric, how many batteries does it have?  Does it have a generator engine?  How far can it go on a charge?&lt;br /&gt;
:2.  Describe the pros and cons of the vehicle; describe why people like it, and why others don't.  Is the car very good, or is it just another lemon?  For citations, limit yourself to using official press releases from the automakers (Chevy in this case); reputable publications (''Car and Driver'', ''Motor Trend'', ''Consumer Reports'', etc).  If you use a blog citation, make sure that the writer direct connections to the above publications or is a respected member of the auto community (i.e. Chip Foose, Kammie Edelbrock, Jeff Gordon, etc).  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:3.  As to the politics involving the Chevy Volt, place it within a separate sub-topic heading.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:52, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
*I take I've been outvoted. Is Conservapedia is ready for conservative-bashing energy articles? I guess we will find out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 12:10, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Try not to see it as bashing conservative ideals, think of it as making factual and accurate articles that don’t make conservatives look miss-informed.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:51, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Like you're here to make conservatives look more informed. Aren't we &amp;quot;[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&amp;amp;action=historysubmit&amp;amp;diff=1073053&amp;amp;oldid=1073052 lunatic fringe climate deniers]&amp;quot;? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:29, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::If someone parrots the climate change rants of Monckton and Limbaugh? Then yeah, I’d say they subscribe to the lunatic fringe. Not all conservatives hold such views. The original version of this article made a bunch of literally stupid claims. The Volt is a fashion accessory, it is subsidized with factory rebates, emits harmful radiation, likely to electrocute passengers in a crash, the engine is not hooked up to the wheels, liberals and homosexuals have limited knowledge of automobiles, etc. If a person took the earlier versions of this article as gospel, they’d look rather silly regurgitating their ''facts'' to a knowledgeable Volt owner. Looks like I’m actually trying to make conservatives ''look more informed''.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 00:36, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So Limbaugh and Fox News are the lunatic fringe, but of course you don't have you anything against the conservatives who agree with you. Who would they be, anyway? If I wanted to know what mainstream conservative opinion was on a given issue, I'd check ''The American Spectator'' (&amp;quot;[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes Volt sleeps with the fishes]&amp;quot;), ''The Weekly Standard'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chevy-volt-still-not-selling_581956.html Chevy Volt: Still Not Selling]&amp;quot;), ''National Review'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/242092/gm-volt-electric-lemon-greg-pollowitz The GM Volt Is an ‘Electric Lemon’]&amp;quot;), or ''Human Events'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.humanevents.com/2012/01/07/obama-blew-more-money-on-chevy-volt-than-entire-gdp-of-djibouti/ Obama blew more money on the Chevy Volt than entire GDP of Djibouti]&amp;quot;). These are all to the right of Fox News, so I assume they'd be extradoubleplus lunatic in your book. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:41, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::On this question of what's fringe and what's not, I note that Richard Lindzen, John Christy, and Roy Spencer, [http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100257206/climate-science-is-for-second-raters-says-worlds-greatest-atmospheric-physicist/ leading climate scientists all], are skeptics. Stephen Schneider, father of the global warming scare, wasn't a climate scientist at all, but a rather mechanical engineer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:42, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If a conservative, liberal, libertarian or authoritarian makes relevant and factual claims when discussing politics, environment, economics, etc. I’ll patiently listen. When people make crackpot claims I’ll display the contempt they deserve. By the way, lunatic fringe, fringe, skeptics and denial all have different meanings. I reserve lunatic fringe for the extraordinary. The Volt is not for everyone, that doesn’t mean the car is a failure. Many ridiculous claims were made in the articles you recommended. Auto plants periodically close for numerous reasons and the Hamtramck closure was not remarkable. One of the writers made a comparison to a BMW 3 series and the Volt. I own both, I prefer the Volt. And the tripe seemed to go on and on. The climate scientists you mentioned are among the 1% of climate scientists who are skeptical of anthropogenic climate change, but I’d rather discuss such matters on the relevant talk page. As for Dr. Schneider, he was ''also'' a mechanical engineer.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 13:19, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Am to understand that 99 percent of scientists agree with you, and only 1 percent agree with me? There was a survey a while back that found that an overwhelming majority of scientists agree that the Earth is warmer now than it was a century ago. But of course I don't dispute that, and neither does Lindzen, Christy, or Spencer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:30, 2 February 2014 (EST) &lt;br /&gt;
I think we're getting a little further beyond the subject of the article. This article shouldn't be a debate ground for global warming - that's not really necessary. The article should be about the car. Link to global warming in a comment about how the car is targeted towards the environmentally friendly crowd - but what are we doing talking about Limbaugh and Fox on this talk page? Norman's right the original article was terrible and borderline parody. So far you guys have done a good job improving it.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 13:31, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:This car's primary notability is as a money pit. It's GM's attempt to follow California's idiotic regulations and appease the environmentalists. Sales are insignificant. The politics of this issue belongs in the lead section. We are not ''Consumer Reports''. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:30, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Appease is probably the wrong word - it's them targeting a type of consumer that looks to purchase &amp;quot;environmentally friendlier&amp;quot; cars. The politics of a global warming debate do not belong on a car page, no. Norman's correct. We might not be Consumer Reports, but we also try not to be idiots.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 00:46, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I have already refuted this argument more than once. GM is selling only 100-to-200 vehicles a month. They'd have to sell something like 5,000 vehicles a month to justify their development costs. Please check the articles I link to above. Since GM went to court to try to avoid California's ZEV regulation, I assume that they were already aware that there was no demand even before they decided to go ahead with the project. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:37, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So it's for positive publicity? And what's wrong with that business model? And do you have another source confirming it? And you mentioning that the sales numbers are low isn't actually refuting any argument I made. It's just stating the fact that there are low sales. And how does going to court over regulation indicate knowledge of the future? They knew how successful marketing and an ad campaign could be because they were in a California court? Fascinating.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 07:50, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I was responding to your claim that GM is, &amp;quot;targeting a type of consumer.&amp;quot; I guess in a sense they are. But sales are so low, that's obviously not a big part of the equation. The car allows GM receive government subsidies, and that money is far more significant than what they are getting from consumers.[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 09:03, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further Reading==&lt;br /&gt;
The Conservative News and Views article is a travesty of journalism filled with numerous faults and should not be featured under ''Further reading''.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.  General Motors went into bankruptcy on June 1 2009 and emerged on 10 July 2009. A total of forty days.  How this article could even imply otherwise is rather mystifying. No other entity other than the U.S. government stepped forward to assist GM, without reorganization funded by the feds; even Ford would have shut their doors.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motorsliquidationdocket.com/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/business/11auto.html?_r=0&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/ford-would-have-shut-without-auto-bailouts-rattner-says.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. GM received a government bailout that prevented the company from being broken up and terminating all their employees. As of 2012, GM employs 77,000 Americans, less than their heyday but still a lot more than zero, which is what they would have employed had the auto maker been allowed to break up. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07/american-made-index-which-automakers-affect-the-most-us-workers.html&lt;br /&gt;
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3. ''...energy-efficient vehicles, otherwise known as The Volt''. This statement makes no sense, the Chevy Volt is not the only energy-efficient vehicle produced by GM. &lt;br /&gt;
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4. The sales figures are also incorrect. There were 326 sold in 2010; 7671 sold in 2011; 23,461 in 2012 and 23,094 in 2013.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&lt;br /&gt;
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&lt;br /&gt;
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This embarrassment of an article should not be linked on Conservapedia. It gets almost nothing right and the people who read and believe the alleged facts will be sorely miss-informed.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:46, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Only the Facts Please==&lt;br /&gt;
Unreferenced assertions concerning the general public and environmentalists have been inserted into an otherwise factual article. Could references please be provided?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:12, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Electric vehicle generation of CO2 compared to a gasoline vehicle==&lt;br /&gt;
A gallon of gasoline equals 33.4 kWh and produces 19.6 lbs of CO2. Coal produces 2.08 lbs of CO2 per kWh. Using electricity generated by coal, a Volt will travel, on average, 123 miles on 33.4 kWh, the equivalent of a gallon of gasoline and generate 70 lbs of CO2. A car (BMW 328) driven by gasoline 123 miles at 27 mpg will use 4.6 gallons of gasoline and generate 90 lbs of CO2.&lt;br /&gt;
The Volt will produce 77% of the CO2 of a comparable gasoline powered car, when using natural gas the percentage will be much less. When accounting for CO2 during the production of gasoline compared to the much more efficient method of powering electrical plants, the difference will be even more profound. When the home owner uses solar panels or wind to generate electricity to power their home and drive a car 12,000 miles a year they will save thousands. Using an electric vehicle is indeed a game changer.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&amp;amp;t=3&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=74&amp;amp;t=11&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-resources/refs.html&lt;br /&gt;
:If we could afford to buy [http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors/item/4387-each-chevy-volt-costs-taxpayers-$250000 a $250,000 car] for all 7 billion people on the planet, global warming would be the least of our worries. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 20:03, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference is completely out of date. A selective use of math and assuming only Chevy Volts will use the batteries manufactured at the subsidized plants is very disingenuous. The Hamtramck plant also manufactures the Malibu. Where are these facts included in the math? Nowhere of course. Using MCC’s dubious math, selective reasoning and the increase in Volt sales, each car is now subsidized at $27,000. And this number itself is still completely inane. I’ll cut them some slack concerning the past government ownership of GM, but this doesn’t excuse anyone from using this dated reference to trash the Volt.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 19:37, 3 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Editing Compromise ==&lt;br /&gt;
Took SamHB’s advice and corrected the paragraph in question to include references. Hopefully everyone will be satisfied.&lt;br /&gt;
:It's a &amp;quot;game changer for the environment&amp;quot;? Oh my. Can we slobber over this vehicle some more? I hope GM and the UAW appreciate this work. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 20:01, 4 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Please review the edit once more, I said ''electric vehicles'', not Volt. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:03, 4 February 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075820</id>
		<title>Chevrolet Volt</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: Correction&lt;/p&gt;
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The '''Chevy Volt''' is a hybrid car produced by [[GM]]. Unlike the Prius it uses lithium-ion batteries and can run on only the electric motor for an extended period.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.chevrolet.com/volt-electric-car/specs/trims.html 2014 Volt Models &amp;amp; Specs]&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The 149 HP electric motor can propel the vehicle to 101 mph and after the 16 kWh battery is depleted the gasoline engine switches on to provide energy for the motor and can couple itself to the wheels directly when above 70 mph.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1010_2011_chevrolet_volt_test/ First Test: 2011 Chevrolet Volt]&amp;quot;, ''Motor Trend'', Dec. 2010.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The Volt, like any automobile with a 16 kWh battery or larger, is eligible for a $7,500 tax rebate when purchased.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Plug-In-Electric-Vehicle-Credit-(IRC-30-and-IRC-30D)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ownership Satisfaction==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt owners have the highest rate of owner satisfaction of any new car in 2011 and 2012. 93% of Volt owners would purchase the car again.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2012/1129/Chevy-Volt-tops-customer-satisfaction-survey-again&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Popularity==&lt;br /&gt;
From a list of the top best-selling vehicles sold during the 2012 model year, the Volt was ranked 133 out of 262.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/09/august-2012-ytd-all-vehicle-rankings.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; GM says the Volt is a niche car but will serve as a technological test bed for future advanced technology.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://gm-volt.com/2014/01/17/what-is-gm-doing-about-automotive-electrification/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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While current owners appear the most satisfied, &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/09/august-2012-ytd-all-vehicle-rankings.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a growing number of drivers have a favorable opinion of electric vehicles. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.gfk.com/us/news-and-events/press-room/press-releases/pages/interest-in-electric-vehicles-held-back-by-.aspx&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; For environmentalists, electric automobiles appear to be the car of choice &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2012/01/environmentalists-laud-californias-electric-car-mandate-/1&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  and can be a game changer for the environment when using renewable resources to produce power. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.carbontrust.com/resources/guides/renewable-energy-technologies/renewable-energy-and-combined-heat-and-power-(chp)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; A reliance on renewable sources of energy and electricity will greatly offset the use of oil. Even when electricity is generated by coal, &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-resources/refs.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; there are still some benefits at carbon dioxide reduction though not as dramatic as using non-polluting sources.  &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&amp;amp;t=3 http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=74&amp;amp;t=11&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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==Sales==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt sales started slow with only 326 sold in 2010. 2011 saw a modest increase in monthly sales with a yearly total of 7671. A rapid increase happened in 2012 with 23,461 sold though 2013 sales have leveled off at 23,094.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Sales were strongest in California, approximately 50% of all sales.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1082121_predicting-chevy-volt-sales-is-california-inventory-the-key&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Given the weak sales, GM may never recoup the car's $1.2 billion development costs,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs GM's losses up to $49,000 on each Volt]&amp;quot;, Reuters, 10 Sep 2012.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a claim GM vehemently denies.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/gm-fights-report-chevy-volts-rolling-away-49-173205445.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Safety==&lt;br /&gt;
General Motors collaborated with the International Association of Fire Chiefs (IAFC), International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF), Illinois Professional Firefighters’ Association (IFPA), National Emergency Number Association (NENA), and the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) to train first responders in handling the peculiarities of electric vehicle accidents. GM also created an emergency response guide for emergency professionals and public use.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/08/gmfr-20100827.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concluded the Chevy Volt does not constitute a fire safety risk and is quoted as saying, ‘no discernible defect trend exists’ after investigating a battery compartment fire that started two weeks after a Volt was destroyed in a crash test. GM has responded further by modifying existing and future Volts to better withstand crashes in the future.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/business/us-finds-no-defect-in-volt.html?_r=2&amp;amp;adxnnl=1&amp;amp;ref=automobiles&amp;amp;adxnnlx=1365182169-63HN9ZydY/7fcl60xagalA&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2s5raBXj6  Unbolting the Chevy Volt to See How it Ticks]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/how-the-2011-chevrolet-volt-works.html How the 2011 Chevrolet Volt Works]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/volt/ Chevrolet Volt Review ]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/09/22/news/general-motors-sour-deal/ Roseann Salanitri, &amp;quot;General Motors'Sour Deal,&amp;quot; ''Conservative News and Views'', 22 September 2012]&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category: Cars]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075819</id>
		<title>Talk:Chevrolet Volt</title>
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		<updated>2014-02-05T00:46:07Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
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1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
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3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
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4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
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6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
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7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its &amp;quot;fact,&amp;quot; and otherwise it's &amp;quot;opinion&amp;quot;? This is just word games. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rules proposal==&lt;br /&gt;
I think Norman brought up some valid points about this particular vehicle, as well as Peter.  I think green energy politics may be involved with this one, but I don't have the cites to back the allegation up.  Setting that aside, there's going to be pros and cons with this and any other car on the road, and this article just isn't up to par.  So here's a proposal on something akin to rules for a layout on this and any other article about cars and trucks.  &lt;br /&gt;
:1.  Describe the car itself.  This needs to be a physical description of the car, including company making it; where it's made; years of manufacture; performance packages; wheelbase; powertrains; prices; MPG's; speed, and so on.  Since the Volt is electric, how many batteries does it have?  Does it have a generator engine?  How far can it go on a charge?&lt;br /&gt;
:2.  Describe the pros and cons of the vehicle; describe why people like it, and why others don't.  Is the car very good, or is it just another lemon?  For citations, limit yourself to using official press releases from the automakers (Chevy in this case); reputable publications (''Car and Driver'', ''Motor Trend'', ''Consumer Reports'', etc).  If you use a blog citation, make sure that the writer direct connections to the above publications or is a respected member of the auto community (i.e. Chip Foose, Kammie Edelbrock, Jeff Gordon, etc).  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:3.  As to the politics involving the Chevy Volt, place it within a separate sub-topic heading.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:52, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
*I take I've been outvoted. Is Conservapedia is ready for conservative-bashing energy articles? I guess we will find out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 12:10, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Try not to see it as bashing conservative ideals, think of it as making factual and accurate articles that don’t make conservatives look miss-informed.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:51, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Like you're here to make conservatives look more informed. Aren't we &amp;quot;[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&amp;amp;action=historysubmit&amp;amp;diff=1073053&amp;amp;oldid=1073052 lunatic fringe climate deniers]&amp;quot;? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:29, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::If someone parrots the climate change rants of Monckton and Limbaugh? Then yeah, I’d say they subscribe to the lunatic fringe. Not all conservatives hold such views. The original version of this article made a bunch of literally stupid claims. The Volt is a fashion accessory, it is subsidized with factory rebates, emits harmful radiation, likely to electrocute passengers in a crash, the engine is not hooked up to the wheels, liberals and homosexuals have limited knowledge of automobiles, etc. If a person took the earlier versions of this article as gospel, they’d look rather silly regurgitating their ''facts'' to a knowledgeable Volt owner. Looks like I’m actually trying to make conservatives ''look more informed''.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 00:36, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So Limbaugh and Fox News are the lunatic fringe, but of course you don't have you anything against the conservatives who agree with you. Who would they be, anyway? If I wanted to know what mainstream conservative opinion was on a given issue, I'd check ''The American Spectator'' (&amp;quot;[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes Volt sleeps with the fishes]&amp;quot;), ''The Weekly Standard'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chevy-volt-still-not-selling_581956.html Chevy Volt: Still Not Selling]&amp;quot;), ''National Review'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/242092/gm-volt-electric-lemon-greg-pollowitz The GM Volt Is an ‘Electric Lemon’]&amp;quot;), or ''Human Events'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.humanevents.com/2012/01/07/obama-blew-more-money-on-chevy-volt-than-entire-gdp-of-djibouti/ Obama blew more money on the Chevy Volt than entire GDP of Djibouti]&amp;quot;). These are all to the right of Fox News, so I assume they'd be extradoubleplus lunatic in your book. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:41, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::On this question of what's fringe and what's not, I note that Richard Lindzen, John Christy, and Roy Spencer, [http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100257206/climate-science-is-for-second-raters-says-worlds-greatest-atmospheric-physicist/ leading climate scientists all], are skeptics. Stephen Schneider, father of the global warming scare, wasn't a climate scientist at all, but a rather mechanical engineer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:42, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If a conservative, liberal, libertarian or authoritarian makes relevant and factual claims when discussing politics, environment, economics, etc. I’ll patiently listen. When people make crackpot claims I’ll display the contempt they deserve. By the way, lunatic fringe, fringe, skeptics and denial all have different meanings. I reserve lunatic fringe for the extraordinary. The Volt is not for everyone, that doesn’t mean the car is a failure. Many ridiculous claims were made in the articles you recommended. Auto plants periodically close for numerous reasons and the Hamtramck closure was not remarkable. One of the writers made a comparison to a BMW 3 series and the Volt. I own both, I prefer the Volt. And the tripe seemed to go on and on. The climate scientists you mentioned are among the 1% of climate scientists who are skeptical of anthropogenic climate change, but I’d rather discuss such matters on the relevant talk page. As for Dr. Schneider, he was ''also'' a mechanical engineer.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 13:19, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Am to understand that 99 percent of scientists agree with you, and only 1 percent agree with me? There was a survey a while back that found that an overwhelming majority of scientists agree that the Earth is warmer now than it was a century ago. But of course I don't dispute that, and neither does Lindzen, Christy, or Spencer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:30, 2 February 2014 (EST) &lt;br /&gt;
I think we're getting a little further beyond the subject of the article. This article shouldn't be a debate ground for global warming - that's not really necessary. The article should be about the car. Link to global warming in a comment about how the car is targeted towards the environmentally friendly crowd - but what are we doing talking about Limbaugh and Fox on this talk page? Norman's right the original article was terrible and borderline parody. So far you guys have done a good job improving it.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 13:31, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:This car's primary notability is as a money pit. It's GM's attempt to follow California's idiotic regulations and appease the environmentalists. Sales are insignificant. The politics of this issue belongs in the lead section. We are not ''Consumer Reports''. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:30, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Appease is probably the wrong word - it's them targeting a type of consumer that looks to purchase &amp;quot;environmentally friendlier&amp;quot; cars. The politics of a global warming debate do not belong on a car page, no. Norman's correct. We might not be Consumer Reports, but we also try not to be idiots.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 00:46, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I have already refuted this argument more than once. GM is selling only 100-to-200 vehicles a month. They'd have to sell something like 5,000 vehicles a month to justify their development costs. Please check the articles I link to above. Since GM went to court to try to avoid California's ZEV regulation, I assume that they were already aware that there was no demand even before they decided to go ahead with the project. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:37, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So it's for positive publicity? And what's wrong with that business model? And do you have another source confirming it? And you mentioning that the sales numbers are low isn't actually refuting any argument I made. It's just stating the fact that there are low sales. And how does going to court over regulation indicate knowledge of the future? They knew how successful marketing and an ad campaign could be because they were in a California court? Fascinating.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 07:50, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I was responding to your claim that GM is, &amp;quot;targeting a type of consumer.&amp;quot; I guess in a sense they are. But sales are so low, that's obviously not a big part of the equation. The car allows GM receive government subsidies, and that money is far more significant than what they are getting from consumers.[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 09:03, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further Reading==&lt;br /&gt;
The Conservative News and Views article is a travesty of journalism filled with numerous faults and should not be featured under ''Further reading''.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.  General Motors went into bankruptcy on June 1 2009 and emerged on 10 July 2009. A total of forty days.  How this article could even imply otherwise is rather mystifying. No other entity other than the U.S. government stepped forward to assist GM, without reorganization funded by the feds; even Ford would have shut their doors.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motorsliquidationdocket.com/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/business/11auto.html?_r=0&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/ford-would-have-shut-without-auto-bailouts-rattner-says.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. GM received a government bailout that prevented the company from being broken up and terminating all their employees. As of 2012, GM employs 77,000 Americans, less than their heyday but still a lot more than zero, which is what they would have employed had the auto maker been allowed to break up. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07/american-made-index-which-automakers-affect-the-most-us-workers.html&lt;br /&gt;
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3. ''...energy-efficient vehicles, otherwise known as The Volt''. This statement makes no sense, the Chevy Volt is not the only energy-efficient vehicle produced by GM. &lt;br /&gt;
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4. The sales figures are also incorrect. There were 326 sold in 2010; 7671 sold in 2011; 23,461 in 2012 and 23,094 in 2013.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&lt;br /&gt;
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&lt;br /&gt;
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This embarrassment of an article should not be linked on Conservapedia. It gets almost nothing right and the people who read and believe the alleged facts will be sorely miss-informed.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:46, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Only the Facts Please==&lt;br /&gt;
Unreferenced assertions concerning the general public and environmentalists have been inserted into an otherwise factual article. Could references please be provided?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:12, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Electric vehicle generation of CO2 compared to a gasoline vehicle==&lt;br /&gt;
A gallon of gasoline equals 33.4 kWh and produces 19.6 lbs of CO2. Coal produces 2.08 lbs of CO2 per kWh. Using electricity generated by coal, a Volt will travel, on average, 123 miles on 33.4 kWh, the equivalent of a gallon of gasoline and generate 70 lbs of CO2. A car (BMW 328) driven by gasoline 123 miles at 27 mpg will use 4.6 gallons of gasoline and generate 90 lbs of CO2.&lt;br /&gt;
The Volt will produce 77% of the CO2 of a comparable gasoline powered car, when using natural gas the percentage will be much less. When accounting for CO2 during the production of gasoline compared to the much more efficient method of powering electrical plants, the difference will be even more profound. When the home owner uses solar panels or wind to generate electricity to power their home and drive a car 12,000 miles a year they will save thousands. Using an electric vehicle is indeed a game changer.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&amp;amp;t=3&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=74&amp;amp;t=11&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-resources/refs.html&lt;br /&gt;
:If we could afford to buy [http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors/item/4387-each-chevy-volt-costs-taxpayers-$250000 a $250,000 car] for all 7 billion people on the planet, global warming would be the least of our worries. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 20:03, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference is completely out of date. A selective use of math and assuming only Chevy Volts will use the batteries manufactured at the subsidized plants is very disingenuous. The Hamtramck plant also manufactures the Malibu. Where are these facts included in the math? Nowhere of course. Using MCC’s dubious math, selective reasoning and the increase in Volt sales, each car is now subsidized at $27,000. And this number itself is still completely inane. I’ll cut them some slack concerning the past government ownership of GM, but this doesn’t excuse anyone from using this dated reference to trash the Volt.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 19:37, 3 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Editing Compromise ==&lt;br /&gt;
Took SamHB’s advice and corrected the paragraph in question to include references. Hopefully everyone will be satisfied.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Chevrolet Volt</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: Undo revision 1075713 by Jpatt (talk) Commandment #2: Always cite and give credit to your sources.&lt;/p&gt;
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The '''Chevy Volt''' is a hybrid car produced by [[GM]]. Unlike the Prius it uses lithium-ion batteries and can run on only the electric motor for an extended period.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.chevrolet.com/volt-electric-car/specs/trims.html 2014 Volt Models &amp;amp; Specs]&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The 149 HP electric motor can propel the vehicle to 101 mph and after the 16 kWh battery is depleted the gasoline engine switches on to provide energy for the motor and can couple itself to the wheels directly when above 70 mph.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1010_2011_chevrolet_volt_test/ First Test: 2011 Chevrolet Volt]&amp;quot;, ''Motor Trend'', Dec. 2010.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The Volt, like any automobile with a 16 kWh battery or larger, is eligible for a $7,500 tax rebate when purchased.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Plug-In-Electric-Vehicle-Credit-(IRC-30-and-IRC-30D)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ownership Satisfaction==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt owners have the highest rate of owner satisfaction of any new car in 2011 and 2012. 93% of Volt owners would purchase the car again.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2012/1129/Chevy-Volt-tops-customer-satisfaction-survey-again&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Popularity==&lt;br /&gt;
From a list of the top best-selling vehicles sold during the 2012 model year, the Volt was ranked 133 out of 262.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/09/august-2012-ytd-all-vehicle-rankings.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; GM says the Volt is a niche car but will serve as a technological test bed for future advanced technology.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://gm-volt.com/2014/01/17/what-is-gm-doing-about-automotive-electrification/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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While current owners appear most satisfied, the general public has little interest in electric vehicles.{{fact}} For environmentalists, electric automobiles appear to be the car of choice. In reality, it's not a game changer for the environment as liberals would have you believe.{{fact}} A reliance on electricity, commonly generated by coal power, does not offset the use of oil.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sales==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt sales started slow with only 326 sold in 2010. 2011 saw a modest increase in monthly sales with a yearly total of 7671. A rapid increase happened in 2012 with 23,461 sold though 2013 sales have leveled off at 23,094.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Sales were strongest in California, approximately 50% of all sales.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1082121_predicting-chevy-volt-sales-is-california-inventory-the-key&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Given the weak sales, GM may never recoup the car's $1.2 billion development costs,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs GM's losses up to $49,000 on each Volt]&amp;quot;, Reuters, 10 Sep 2012.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a claim GM vehemently denies.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/gm-fights-report-chevy-volts-rolling-away-49-173205445.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Safety==&lt;br /&gt;
General Motors collaborated with the International Association of Fire Chiefs (IAFC), International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF), Illinois Professional Firefighters’ Association (IFPA), National Emergency Number Association (NENA), and the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) to train first responders in handling the peculiarities of electric vehicle accidents. GM also created an emergency response guide for emergency professionals and public use.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/08/gmfr-20100827.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concluded the Chevy Volt does not constitute a fire safety risk and is quoted as saying, ‘no discernible defect trend exists’ after investigating a battery compartment fire that started two weeks after a Volt was destroyed in a crash test. GM has responded further by modifying existing and future Volts to better withstand crashes in the future.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/business/us-finds-no-defect-in-volt.html?_r=2&amp;amp;adxnnl=1&amp;amp;ref=automobiles&amp;amp;adxnnlx=1365182169-63HN9ZydY/7fcl60xagalA&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2s5raBXj6  Unbolting the Chevy Volt to See How it Ticks]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/how-the-2011-chevrolet-volt-works.html How the 2011 Chevrolet Volt Works]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/volt/ Chevrolet Volt Review ]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/09/22/news/general-motors-sour-deal/ Roseann Salanitri, &amp;quot;General Motors'Sour Deal,&amp;quot; ''Conservative News and Views'', 22 September 2012]&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category: Cars]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075712</id>
		<title>Talk:Chevrolet Volt</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
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1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
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3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
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4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
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6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
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7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its &amp;quot;fact,&amp;quot; and otherwise it's &amp;quot;opinion&amp;quot;? This is just word games. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rules proposal==&lt;br /&gt;
I think Norman brought up some valid points about this particular vehicle, as well as Peter.  I think green energy politics may be involved with this one, but I don't have the cites to back the allegation up.  Setting that aside, there's going to be pros and cons with this and any other car on the road, and this article just isn't up to par.  So here's a proposal on something akin to rules for a layout on this and any other article about cars and trucks.  &lt;br /&gt;
:1.  Describe the car itself.  This needs to be a physical description of the car, including company making it; where it's made; years of manufacture; performance packages; wheelbase; powertrains; prices; MPG's; speed, and so on.  Since the Volt is electric, how many batteries does it have?  Does it have a generator engine?  How far can it go on a charge?&lt;br /&gt;
:2.  Describe the pros and cons of the vehicle; describe why people like it, and why others don't.  Is the car very good, or is it just another lemon?  For citations, limit yourself to using official press releases from the automakers (Chevy in this case); reputable publications (''Car and Driver'', ''Motor Trend'', ''Consumer Reports'', etc).  If you use a blog citation, make sure that the writer direct connections to the above publications or is a respected member of the auto community (i.e. Chip Foose, Kammie Edelbrock, Jeff Gordon, etc).  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:3.  As to the politics involving the Chevy Volt, place it within a separate sub-topic heading.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:52, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
*I take I've been outvoted. Is Conservapedia is ready for conservative-bashing energy articles? I guess we will find out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 12:10, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Try not to see it as bashing conservative ideals, think of it as making factual and accurate articles that don’t make conservatives look miss-informed.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:51, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Like you're here to make conservatives look more informed. Aren't we &amp;quot;[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&amp;amp;action=historysubmit&amp;amp;diff=1073053&amp;amp;oldid=1073052 lunatic fringe climate deniers]&amp;quot;? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:29, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::If someone parrots the climate change rants of Monckton and Limbaugh? Then yeah, I’d say they subscribe to the lunatic fringe. Not all conservatives hold such views. The original version of this article made a bunch of literally stupid claims. The Volt is a fashion accessory, it is subsidized with factory rebates, emits harmful radiation, likely to electrocute passengers in a crash, the engine is not hooked up to the wheels, liberals and homosexuals have limited knowledge of automobiles, etc. If a person took the earlier versions of this article as gospel, they’d look rather silly regurgitating their ''facts'' to a knowledgeable Volt owner. Looks like I’m actually trying to make conservatives ''look more informed''.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 00:36, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So Limbaugh and Fox News are the lunatic fringe, but of course you don't have you anything against the conservatives who agree with you. Who would they be, anyway? If I wanted to know what mainstream conservative opinion was on a given issue, I'd check ''The American Spectator'' (&amp;quot;[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes Volt sleeps with the fishes]&amp;quot;), ''The Weekly Standard'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chevy-volt-still-not-selling_581956.html Chevy Volt: Still Not Selling]&amp;quot;), ''National Review'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/242092/gm-volt-electric-lemon-greg-pollowitz The GM Volt Is an ‘Electric Lemon’]&amp;quot;), or ''Human Events'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.humanevents.com/2012/01/07/obama-blew-more-money-on-chevy-volt-than-entire-gdp-of-djibouti/ Obama blew more money on the Chevy Volt than entire GDP of Djibouti]&amp;quot;). These are all to the right of Fox News, so I assume they'd be extradoubleplus lunatic in your book. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:41, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::On this question of what's fringe and what's not, I note that Richard Lindzen, John Christy, and Roy Spencer, [http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100257206/climate-science-is-for-second-raters-says-worlds-greatest-atmospheric-physicist/ leading climate scientists all], are skeptics. Stephen Schneider, father of the global warming scare, wasn't a climate scientist at all, but a rather mechanical engineer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:42, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If a conservative, liberal, libertarian or authoritarian makes relevant and factual claims when discussing politics, environment, economics, etc. I’ll patiently listen. When people make crackpot claims I’ll display the contempt they deserve. By the way, lunatic fringe, fringe, skeptics and denial all have different meanings. I reserve lunatic fringe for the extraordinary. The Volt is not for everyone, that doesn’t mean the car is a failure. Many ridiculous claims were made in the articles you recommended. Auto plants periodically close for numerous reasons and the Hamtramck closure was not remarkable. One of the writers made a comparison to a BMW 3 series and the Volt. I own both, I prefer the Volt. And the tripe seemed to go on and on. The climate scientists you mentioned are among the 1% of climate scientists who are skeptical of anthropogenic climate change, but I’d rather discuss such matters on the relevant talk page. As for Dr. Schneider, he was ''also'' a mechanical engineer.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 13:19, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Am to understand that 99 percent of scientists agree with you, and only 1 percent agree with me? There was a survey a while back that found that an overwhelming majority of scientists agree that the Earth is warmer now than it was a century ago. But of course I don't dispute that, and neither does Lindzen, Christy, or Spencer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:30, 2 February 2014 (EST) &lt;br /&gt;
I think we're getting a little further beyond the subject of the article. This article shouldn't be a debate ground for global warming - that's not really necessary. The article should be about the car. Link to global warming in a comment about how the car is targeted towards the environmentally friendly crowd - but what are we doing talking about Limbaugh and Fox on this talk page? Norman's right the original article was terrible and borderline parody. So far you guys have done a good job improving it.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 13:31, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:This car's primary notability is as a money pit. It's GM's attempt to follow California's idiotic regulations and appease the environmentalists. Sales are insignificant. The politics of this issue belongs in the lead section. We are not ''Consumer Reports''. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:30, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Appease is probably the wrong word - it's them targeting a type of consumer that looks to purchase &amp;quot;environmentally friendlier&amp;quot; cars. The politics of a global warming debate do not belong on a car page, no. Norman's correct. We might not be Consumer Reports, but we also try not to be idiots.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 00:46, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I have already refuted this argument more than once. GM is selling only 100-to-200 vehicles a month. They'd have to sell something like 5,000 vehicles a month to justify their development costs. Please check the articles I link to above. Since GM went to court to try to avoid California's ZEV regulation, I assume that they were already aware that there was no demand even before they decided to go ahead with the project. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:37, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So it's for positive publicity? And what's wrong with that business model? And do you have another source confirming it? And you mentioning that the sales numbers are low isn't actually refuting any argument I made. It's just stating the fact that there are low sales. And how does going to court over regulation indicate knowledge of the future? They knew how successful marketing and an ad campaign could be because they were in a California court? Fascinating.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 07:50, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I was responding to your claim that GM is, &amp;quot;targeting a type of consumer.&amp;quot; I guess in a sense they are. But sales are so low, that's obviously not a big part of the equation. The car allows GM receive government subsidies, and that money is far more significant than what they are getting from consumers.[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 09:03, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further Reading==&lt;br /&gt;
The Conservative News and Views article is a travesty of journalism filled with numerous faults and should not be featured under ''Further reading''.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.  General Motors went into bankruptcy on June 1 2009 and emerged on 10 July 2009. A total of forty days.  How this article could even imply otherwise is rather mystifying. No other entity other than the U.S. government stepped forward to assist GM, without reorganization funded by the feds; even Ford would have shut their doors.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motorsliquidationdocket.com/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/business/11auto.html?_r=0&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/ford-would-have-shut-without-auto-bailouts-rattner-says.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. GM received a government bailout that prevented the company from being broken up and terminating all their employees. As of 2012, GM employs 77,000 Americans, less than their heyday but still a lot more than zero, which is what they would have employed had the auto maker been allowed to break up. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07/american-made-index-which-automakers-affect-the-most-us-workers.html&lt;br /&gt;
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3. ''...energy-efficient vehicles, otherwise known as The Volt''. This statement makes no sense, the Chevy Volt is not the only energy-efficient vehicle produced by GM. &lt;br /&gt;
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4. The sales figures are also incorrect. There were 326 sold in 2010; 7671 sold in 2011; 23,461 in 2012 and 23,094 in 2013.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&lt;br /&gt;
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&lt;br /&gt;
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This embarrassment of an article should not be linked on Conservapedia. It gets almost nothing right and the people who read and believe the alleged facts will be sorely miss-informed.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:46, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Only the Facts Please==&lt;br /&gt;
Unreferenced assertions concerning the general public and environmentalists have been inserted into an otherwise factual article. Could references please be provided?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:12, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Electric vehicle generation of CO2 compared to a gasoline vehicle==&lt;br /&gt;
A gallon of gasoline equals 33.4 kWh and produces 19.6 lbs of CO2. Coal produces 2.08 lbs of CO2 per kWh. Using electricity generated by coal, a Volt will travel, on average, 123 miles on 33.4 kWh, the equivalent of a gallon of gasoline and generate 70 lbs of CO2. A car (BMW 328) driven by gasoline 123 miles at 27 mpg will use 4.6 gallons of gasoline and generate 90 lbs of CO2.&lt;br /&gt;
The Volt will produce 77% of the CO2 of a comparable gasoline powered car, when using natural gas the percentage will be much less. When accounting for CO2 during the production of gasoline compared to the much more efficient method of powering electrical plants, the difference will be even more profound. When the home owner uses solar panels or wind to generate electricity to power their home and drive a car 12,000 miles a year they will save thousands. Using an electric vehicle is indeed a game changer.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&amp;amp;t=3&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=74&amp;amp;t=11&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-resources/refs.html&lt;br /&gt;
:If we could afford to buy [http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors/item/4387-each-chevy-volt-costs-taxpayers-$250000 a $250,000 car] for all 7 billion people on the planet, global warming would be the least of our worries. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 20:03, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference is completely out of date. A selective use of math and assuming only Chevy Volts will use the batteries manufactured at the subsidized plants is very disingenuous. The Hamtramck plant also manufactures the Malibu. Where are these facts included in the math? Nowhere of course. Using MCC’s dubious math, selective reasoning and the increase in Volt sales, each car is now subsidized at $27,000. And this number itself is still completely inane. I’ll cut them some slack concerning the past government ownership of GM, but this doesn’t excuse anyone from using this dated reference to trash the Volt.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 19:37, 3 February 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Chevrolet Volt</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: References please&lt;/p&gt;
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The '''Chevy Volt''' is a hybrid car produced by [[GM]]. Unlike the Prius it uses lithium-ion batteries and can run on only the electric motor for an extended period.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.chevrolet.com/volt-electric-car/specs/trims.html 2014 Volt Models &amp;amp; Specs]&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The 149 HP electric motor can propel the vehicle to 101 mph and after the 16 kWh battery is depleted the gasoline engine switches on to provide energy for the motor and can couple itself to the wheels directly when above 70 mph.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1010_2011_chevrolet_volt_test/ First Test: 2011 Chevrolet Volt]&amp;quot;, ''Motor Trend'', Dec. 2010.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The Volt, like any automobile with a 16 kWh battery or larger, is eligible for a $7,500 tax rebate when purchased.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Plug-In-Electric-Vehicle-Credit-(IRC-30-and-IRC-30D)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ownership Satisfaction==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt owners have the highest rate of owner satisfaction of any new car in 2011 and 2012. 93% of Volt owners would purchase the car again.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2012/1129/Chevy-Volt-tops-customer-satisfaction-survey-again&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Popularity==&lt;br /&gt;
From a list of the top best-selling vehicles sold during the 2012 model year, the Volt was ranked 133 out of 262.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/09/august-2012-ytd-all-vehicle-rankings.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; GM says the Volt is a niche car but will serve as a technological test bed for future advanced technology.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://gm-volt.com/2014/01/17/what-is-gm-doing-about-automotive-electrification/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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While current owners appear most satisfied, the general public has little interest in electric vehicles.{{fact}} For environmentalists, electric automobiles appear to be the car of choice. In reality, it's not a game changer for the environment as liberals would have you believe.{{fact}} A reliance on electricity, commonly generated by coal power, does not offset the use of oil.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sales==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt sales started slow with only 326 sold in 2010. 2011 saw a modest increase in monthly sales with a yearly total of 7671. A rapid increase happened in 2012 with 23,461 sold though 2013 sales have leveled off at 23,094.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Sales were strongest in California, approximately 50% of all sales.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1082121_predicting-chevy-volt-sales-is-california-inventory-the-key&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Given the weak sales, GM may never recoup the car's $1.2 billion development costs,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs GM's losses up to $49,000 on each Volt]&amp;quot;, Reuters, 10 Sep 2012.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a claim GM vehemently denies.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/gm-fights-report-chevy-volts-rolling-away-49-173205445.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Safety==&lt;br /&gt;
General Motors collaborated with the International Association of Fire Chiefs (IAFC), International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF), Illinois Professional Firefighters’ Association (IFPA), National Emergency Number Association (NENA), and the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) to train first responders in handling the peculiarities of electric vehicle accidents. GM also created an emergency response guide for emergency professionals and public use.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/08/gmfr-20100827.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concluded the Chevy Volt does not constitute a fire safety risk and is quoted as saying, ‘no discernible defect trend exists’ after investigating a battery compartment fire that started two weeks after a Volt was destroyed in a crash test. GM has responded further by modifying existing and future Volts to better withstand crashes in the future.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/business/us-finds-no-defect-in-volt.html?_r=2&amp;amp;adxnnl=1&amp;amp;ref=automobiles&amp;amp;adxnnlx=1365182169-63HN9ZydY/7fcl60xagalA&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2s5raBXj6  Unbolting the Chevy Volt to See How it Ticks]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/how-the-2011-chevrolet-volt-works.html How the 2011 Chevrolet Volt Works]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/volt/ Chevrolet Volt Review ]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/09/22/news/general-motors-sour-deal/ Roseann Salanitri, &amp;quot;General Motors'Sour Deal,&amp;quot; ''Conservative News and Views'', 22 September 2012]&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category: Cars]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075626</id>
		<title>Talk:Chevrolet Volt</title>
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		<updated>2014-02-02T16:59:21Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: CO2 Math&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
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1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
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3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
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4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
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6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
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7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its &amp;quot;fact,&amp;quot; and otherwise it's &amp;quot;opinion&amp;quot;? This is just word games. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rules proposal==&lt;br /&gt;
I think Norman brought up some valid points about this particular vehicle, as well as Peter.  I think green energy politics may be involved with this one, but I don't have the cites to back the allegation up.  Setting that aside, there's going to be pros and cons with this and any other car on the road, and this article just isn't up to par.  So here's a proposal on something akin to rules for a layout on this and any other article about cars and trucks.  &lt;br /&gt;
:1.  Describe the car itself.  This needs to be a physical description of the car, including company making it; where it's made; years of manufacture; performance packages; wheelbase; powertrains; prices; MPG's; speed, and so on.  Since the Volt is electric, how many batteries does it have?  Does it have a generator engine?  How far can it go on a charge?&lt;br /&gt;
:2.  Describe the pros and cons of the vehicle; describe why people like it, and why others don't.  Is the car very good, or is it just another lemon?  For citations, limit yourself to using official press releases from the automakers (Chevy in this case); reputable publications (''Car and Driver'', ''Motor Trend'', ''Consumer Reports'', etc).  If you use a blog citation, make sure that the writer direct connections to the above publications or is a respected member of the auto community (i.e. Chip Foose, Kammie Edelbrock, Jeff Gordon, etc).  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:3.  As to the politics involving the Chevy Volt, place it within a separate sub-topic heading.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:52, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
*I take I've been outvoted. Is Conservapedia is ready for conservative-bashing energy articles? I guess we will find out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 12:10, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Try not to see it as bashing conservative ideals, think of it as making factual and accurate articles that don’t make conservatives look miss-informed.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:51, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Like you're here to make conservatives look more informed. Aren't we &amp;quot;[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&amp;amp;action=historysubmit&amp;amp;diff=1073053&amp;amp;oldid=1073052 lunatic fringe climate deniers]&amp;quot;? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:29, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::If someone parrots the climate change rants of Monckton and Limbaugh? Then yeah, I’d say they subscribe to the lunatic fringe. Not all conservatives hold such views. The original version of this article made a bunch of literally stupid claims. The Volt is a fashion accessory, it is subsidized with factory rebates, emits harmful radiation, likely to electrocute passengers in a crash, the engine is not hooked up to the wheels, liberals and homosexuals have limited knowledge of automobiles, etc. If a person took the earlier versions of this article as gospel, they’d look rather silly regurgitating their ''facts'' to a knowledgeable Volt owner. Looks like I’m actually trying to make conservatives ''look more informed''.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 00:36, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So Limbaugh and Fox News are the lunatic fringe, but of course you don't have you anything against the conservatives who agree with you. Who would they be, anyway? If I wanted to know what mainstream conservative opinion was on a given issue, I'd check ''The American Spectator'' (&amp;quot;[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes Volt sleeps with the fishes]&amp;quot;), ''The Weekly Standard'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chevy-volt-still-not-selling_581956.html Chevy Volt: Still Not Selling]&amp;quot;), ''National Review'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/242092/gm-volt-electric-lemon-greg-pollowitz The GM Volt Is an ‘Electric Lemon’]&amp;quot;), or ''Human Events'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.humanevents.com/2012/01/07/obama-blew-more-money-on-chevy-volt-than-entire-gdp-of-djibouti/ Obama blew more money on the Chevy Volt than entire GDP of Djibouti]&amp;quot;). These are all to the right of Fox News, so I assume they'd be extradoubleplus lunatic in your book. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:41, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::On this question of what's fringe and what's not, I note that Richard Lindzen, John Christy, and Roy Spencer, [http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100257206/climate-science-is-for-second-raters-says-worlds-greatest-atmospheric-physicist/ leading climate scientists all], are skeptics. Stephen Schneider, father of the global warming scare, wasn't a climate scientist at all, but a rather mechanical engineer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:42, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If a conservative, liberal, libertarian or authoritarian makes relevant and factual claims when discussing politics, environment, economics, etc. I’ll patiently listen. When people make crackpot claims I’ll display the contempt they deserve. By the way, lunatic fringe, fringe, skeptics and denial all have different meanings. I reserve lunatic fringe for the extraordinary. The Volt is not for everyone, that doesn’t mean the car is a failure. Many ridiculous claims were made in the articles you recommended. Auto plants periodically close for numerous reasons and the Hamtramck closure was not remarkable. One of the writers made a comparison to a BMW 3 series and the Volt. I own both, I prefer the Volt. And the tripe seemed to go on and on. The climate scientists you mentioned are among the 1% of climate scientists who are skeptical of anthropogenic climate change, but I’d rather discuss such matters on the relevant talk page. As for Dr. Schneider, he was ''also'' a mechanical engineer.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 13:19, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Am to understand that 99 percent of scientists agree with you, and only 1 percent agree with me? There was a survey a while back that found that an overwhelming majority of scientists agree that the Earth is warmer now than it was a century ago. But of course I don't dispute that, and neither does Lindzen, Christy, or Spencer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:30, 2 February 2014 (EST) &lt;br /&gt;
I think we're getting a little further beyond the subject of the article. This article shouldn't be a debate ground for global warming - that's not really necessary. The article should be about the car. Link to global warming in a comment about how the car is targeted towards the environmentally friendly crowd - but what are we doing talking about Limbaugh and Fox on this talk page? Norman's right the original article was terrible and borderline parody. So far you guys have done a good job improving it.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 13:31, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:This car's primary notability is as a money pit. It's GM's attempt to follow California's idiotic regulations and appease the environmentalists. Sales are insignificant. The politics of this issue belongs in the lead section. We are not ''Consumer Reports''. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:30, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Appease is probably the wrong word - it's them targeting a type of consumer that looks to purchase &amp;quot;environmentally friendlier&amp;quot; cars. The politics of a global warming debate do not belong on a car page, no. Norman's correct. We might not be Consumer Reports, but we also try not to be idiots.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 00:46, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I have already refuted this argument more than once. GM is selling only 100-to-200 vehicles a month. They'd have to sell something like 5,000 vehicles a month to justify their development costs. Please check the articles I link to above. Since GM went to court to try to avoid California's ZEV regulation, I assume that they were already aware that there was no demand even before they decided to go ahead with the project. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:37, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So it's for positive publicity? And what's wrong with that business model? And do you have another source confirming it? And you mentioning that the sales numbers are low isn't actually refuting any argument I made. It's just stating the fact that there are low sales. And how does going to court over regulation indicate knowledge of the future? They knew how successful marketing and an ad campaign could be because they were in a California court? Fascinating.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 07:50, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I was responding to your claim that GM is, &amp;quot;targeting a type of consumer.&amp;quot; I guess in a sense they are. But sales are so low, that's obviously not a big part of the equation. The car allows GM receive government subsidies, and that money is far more significant than what they are getting from consumers.[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes] [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 09:03, 2 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further Reading==&lt;br /&gt;
The Conservative News and Views article is a travesty of journalism filled with numerous faults and should not be featured under ''Further reading''.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.  General Motors went into bankruptcy on June 1 2009 and emerged on 10 July 2009. A total of forty days.  How this article could even imply otherwise is rather mystifying. No other entity other than the U.S. government stepped forward to assist GM, without reorganization funded by the feds; even Ford would have shut their doors.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motorsliquidationdocket.com/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/business/11auto.html?_r=0&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/ford-would-have-shut-without-auto-bailouts-rattner-says.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. GM received a government bailout that prevented the company from being broken up and terminating all their employees. As of 2012, GM employs 77,000 Americans, less than their heyday but still a lot more than zero, which is what they would have employed had the auto maker been allowed to break up. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07/american-made-index-which-automakers-affect-the-most-us-workers.html&lt;br /&gt;
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3. ''...energy-efficient vehicles, otherwise known as The Volt''. This statement makes no sense, the Chevy Volt is not the only energy-efficient vehicle produced by GM. &lt;br /&gt;
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4. The sales figures are also incorrect. There were 326 sold in 2010; 7671 sold in 2011; 23,461 in 2012 and 23,094 in 2013.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&lt;br /&gt;
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&lt;br /&gt;
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This embarrassment of an article should not be linked on Conservapedia. It gets almost nothing right and the people who read and believe the alleged facts will be sorely miss-informed.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:46, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Only the Facts Please==&lt;br /&gt;
Unreferenced assertions concerning the general public and environmentalists have been inserted into an otherwise factual article. Could references please be provided?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:12, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Electric vehicle generation of CO2 compared to a gasoline vehicle==&lt;br /&gt;
A gallon of gasoline equals 33.4 kWh and produces 19.6 lbs of CO2. Coal produces 2.08 lbs of CO2 per kWh. Using electricity generated by coal, a Volt will travel, on average, 123 miles on 33.4 kWh, the equivalent of a gallon of gasoline and generate 70 lbs of CO2. A car (BMW 328) driven by gasoline 123 miles at 27 mpg will use 4.6 gallons of gasoline and generate 90 lbs of CO2.&lt;br /&gt;
The Volt will produce 77% of the CO2 of a comparable gasoline powered car, when using natural gas the percentage will be much less. When accounting for CO2 during the production of gasoline compared to the much more efficient method of powering electrical plants, the difference will be even more profound. When the home owner uses solar panels or wind to generate electricity to power their home and drive a car 12,000 miles a year they will save thousands. Using an electric vehicle is indeed a game changer.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&amp;amp;t=3&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=74&amp;amp;t=11&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-resources/refs.html&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
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1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
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3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
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4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
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6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
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7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its &amp;quot;fact,&amp;quot; and otherwise it's &amp;quot;opinion&amp;quot;? This is just word games. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rules proposal==&lt;br /&gt;
I think Norman brought up some valid points about this particular vehicle, as well as Peter.  I think green energy politics may be involved with this one, but I don't have the cites to back the allegation up.  Setting that aside, there's going to be pros and cons with this and any other car on the road, and this article just isn't up to par.  So here's a proposal on something akin to rules for a layout on this and any other article about cars and trucks.  &lt;br /&gt;
:1.  Describe the car itself.  This needs to be a physical description of the car, including company making it; where it's made; years of manufacture; performance packages; wheelbase; powertrains; prices; MPG's; speed, and so on.  Since the Volt is electric, how many batteries does it have?  Does it have a generator engine?  How far can it go on a charge?&lt;br /&gt;
:2.  Describe the pros and cons of the vehicle; describe why people like it, and why others don't.  Is the car very good, or is it just another lemon?  For citations, limit yourself to using official press releases from the automakers (Chevy in this case); reputable publications (''Car and Driver'', ''Motor Trend'', ''Consumer Reports'', etc).  If you use a blog citation, make sure that the writer direct connections to the above publications or is a respected member of the auto community (i.e. Chip Foose, Kammie Edelbrock, Jeff Gordon, etc).  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:3.  As to the politics involving the Chevy Volt, place it within a separate sub-topic heading.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:52, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
*I take I've been outvoted. Is Conservapedia is ready for conservative-bashing energy articles? I guess we will find out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 12:10, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Try not to see it as bashing conservative ideals, think of it as making factual and accurate articles that don’t make conservatives look miss-informed.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:51, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Like you're here to make conservatives look more informed. Aren't we &amp;quot;[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&amp;amp;action=historysubmit&amp;amp;diff=1073053&amp;amp;oldid=1073052 lunatic fringe climate deniers]&amp;quot;? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:29, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::If someone parrots the climate change rants of Monckton and Limbaugh? Then yeah, I’d say they subscribe to the lunatic fringe. Not all conservatives hold such views. The original version of this article made a bunch of literally stupid claims. The Volt is a fashion accessory, it is subsidized with factory rebates, emits harmful radiation, likely to electrocute passengers in a crash, the engine is not hooked up to the wheels, liberals and homosexuals have limited knowledge of automobiles, etc. If a person took the earlier versions of this article as gospel, they’d look rather silly regurgitating their ''facts'' to a knowledgeable Volt owner. Looks like I’m actually trying to make conservatives ''look more informed''.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 00:36, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So Limbaugh and Fox News are the lunatic fringe, but of course you don't have you anything against the conservatives who agree with you. Who would they be, anyway? If I wanted to know what mainstream conservative opinion was on a given issue, I'd check ''The American Spectator'' (&amp;quot;[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes Volt sleeps with the fishes]&amp;quot;), ''The Weekly Standard'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chevy-volt-still-not-selling_581956.html Chevy Volt: Still Not Selling]&amp;quot;), ''National Review'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/242092/gm-volt-electric-lemon-greg-pollowitz The GM Volt Is an ‘Electric Lemon’]&amp;quot;), or ''Human Events'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.humanevents.com/2012/01/07/obama-blew-more-money-on-chevy-volt-than-entire-gdp-of-djibouti/ Obama blew more money on the Chevy Volt than entire GDP of Djibouti]&amp;quot;). These are all to the right of Fox News, so I assume they'd be extradoubleplus lunatic in your book. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:41, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::On this question of what's fringe and what's not, I note that Richard Lindzen, John Christy, and Roy Spencer, [http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100257206/climate-science-is-for-second-raters-says-worlds-greatest-atmospheric-physicist/ leading climate scientists all], are skeptics. Stephen Schneider, father of the global warming scare, wasn't a climate scientist at all, but a rather mechanical engineer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:42, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If a conservative, liberal, libertarian or authoritarian makes relevant and factual claims when discussing politics, environment, economics, etc. I’ll patiently listen. When people make crackpot claims I’ll display the contempt they deserve. By the way, lunatic fringe, fringe, skeptics and denial all have different meanings. I reserve lunatic fringe for the extraordinary. The Volt is not for everyone, that doesn’t mean the car is a failure. Many ridiculous claims were made in the articles you recommended. Auto plants periodically close for numerous reasons and the Hamtramck closure was not remarkable. One of the writers made a comparison to a BMW 3 series and the Volt. I own both, I prefer the Volt. And the tripe seemed to go on and on. The climate scientists you mentioned are among the 1% of climate scientists who are skeptical of anthropogenic climate change, but I’d rather discuss such matters on the relevant talk page. As for Dr. Schneider, he was ''also'' a mechanical engineer.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 13:19, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I think we're getting a little further beyond the subject of the article. This article shouldn't be a debate ground for global warming - that's not really necessary. The article should be about the car. Link to global warming in a comment about how the car is targeted towards the environmentally friendly crowd - but what are we doing talking about Limbaugh and Fox on this talk page? Norman's right the original article was terrible and borderline parody. So far you guys have done a good job improving it.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 13:31, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further Reading==&lt;br /&gt;
The Conservative News and Views article is a travesty of journalism filled with numerous faults and should not be featured under ''Further reading''.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.  General Motors went into bankruptcy on June 1 2009 and emerged on 10 July 2009. A total of forty days.  How this article could even imply otherwise is rather mystifying. No other entity other than the U.S. government stepped forward to assist GM, without reorganization funded by the feds; even Ford would have shut their doors.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motorsliquidationdocket.com/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/business/11auto.html?_r=0&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/ford-would-have-shut-without-auto-bailouts-rattner-says.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. GM received a government bailout that prevented the company from being broken up and terminating all their employees. As of 2012, GM employs 77,000 Americans, less than their heyday but still a lot more than zero, which is what they would have employed had the auto maker been allowed to break up. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07/american-made-index-which-automakers-affect-the-most-us-workers.html&lt;br /&gt;
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3. ''...energy-efficient vehicles, otherwise known as The Volt''. This statement makes no sense, the Chevy Volt is not the only energy-efficient vehicle produced by GM. &lt;br /&gt;
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4. The sales figures are also incorrect. There were 326 sold in 2010; 7671 sold in 2011; 23,461 in 2012 and 23,094 in 2013.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&lt;br /&gt;
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&lt;br /&gt;
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This embarrassment of an article should not be linked on Conservapedia. It gets almost nothing right and the people who read and believe the alleged facts will be sorely miss-informed.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:46, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Only the Facts Please==&lt;br /&gt;
Unreferenced assertions concerning the general public and environmentalists have been inserted into an otherwise factual article. Could references please be provided?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 23:12, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075564</id>
		<title>Chevrolet Volt</title>
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:2012 Chevy Volt.jpg|right|250px]]&lt;br /&gt;
The '''Chevy Volt''' is a hybrid car produced by [[GM]]. Unlike the Prius it uses lithium-ion batteries and can run on only the electric motor for an extended period.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.chevrolet.com/volt-electric-car/specs/trims.html 2014 Volt Models &amp;amp; Specs]&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The 149 HP electric motor can propel the vehicle to 101 mph and after the 16 kWh battery is depleted the gasoline engine switches on to provide energy for the motor and can couple itself to the wheels directly when above 70 mph.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1010_2011_chevrolet_volt_test/ First Test: 2011 Chevrolet Volt]&amp;quot;, ''Motor Trend'', Dec. 2010.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The Volt, like any automobile with a 16 kWh battery or larger, is eligible for a $7,500 tax rebate when purchased.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Plug-In-Electric-Vehicle-Credit-(IRC-30-and-IRC-30D)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ownership Satisfaction==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt owners have the highest rate of owner satisfaction of any new car in 2011 and 2012. 93% of Volt owners would purchase the car again.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2012/1129/Chevy-Volt-tops-customer-satisfaction-survey-again&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Popularity==&lt;br /&gt;
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From a list of the top best-selling vehicles sold during the 2012 model year, the Volt was ranked 133 out of 262.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/09/august-2012-ytd-all-vehicle-rankings.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
GM says the Volt is a niche car but will serve as a technological test bed for future advanced technology.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://gm-volt.com/2014/01/17/what-is-gm-doing-about-automotive-electrification/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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While current owners appear most satisfied, the general public has little interest in electric vehicles.{{fact}} For environmentalists, electric automobiles appear to be the car of choice. In reality, it's not a game changer for the environment as liberals would have you believe. A reliance on electricity, commonly generated by coal power, does not offset the use of oil.{{fact}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sales==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt sales started slow with only 326 sold in 2010. 2011 saw a modest increase in monthly sales with a yearly total of 7671.  A rapid increase happened in 2012 with 23,461 sold though 2013 sales have leveled off at 23,094.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Sales were strongest in California, approximately 50% of all sales &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1082121_predicting-chevy-volt-sales-is-california-inventory-the-key&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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With weak sales, GM may never recoup the car's $1.2 billion development costs,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs GM's losses up to $49,000 on each Volt]&amp;quot;, Reuters, 10 Sep 2012.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a claim GM vehemently denies. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/gm-fights-report-chevy-volts-rolling-away-49-173205445.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Safety==&lt;br /&gt;
General Motors collaborated with the International Association of Fire Chiefs (IAFC), International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF), Illinois Professional Firefighters’ Association (IFPA), National Emergency Number Association (NENA), and the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) to train first responders in handling the peculiarities of electric vehicle accidents. GM also created an emergency response guide for emergency professionals and public use.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/08/gmfr-20100827.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concluded the Chevy Volt does not constitute a fire safety risk and is quoted as saying, ‘no discernible defect trend exists’ after investigating a battery compartment fire that started two weeks after a Volt was destroyed in a crash test. GM has responded further by modifying existing and future Volts to better withstand crashes in the future.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/business/us-finds-no-defect-in-volt.html?_r=2&amp;amp;adxnnl=1&amp;amp;ref=automobiles&amp;amp;adxnnlx=1365182169-63HN9ZydY/7fcl60xagalA&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2s5raBXj6  Unbolting the Chevy Volt to See How it Ticks]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/how-the-2011-chevrolet-volt-works.html How the 2011 Chevrolet Volt Works]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/volt/ Chevrolet Volt Review ]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/09/22/news/general-motors-sour-deal/ Roseann Salanitri, &amp;quot;General Motors'Sour Deal,&amp;quot; ''Conservative News and Views'', 22 September 2012]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category: Cars]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075491</id>
		<title>Talk:Chevrolet Volt</title>
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		<updated>2014-02-01T18:19:20Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
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1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
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3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
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4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
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6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
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7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its &amp;quot;fact,&amp;quot; and otherwise it's &amp;quot;opinion&amp;quot;? This is just word games. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rules proposal==&lt;br /&gt;
I think Norman brought up some valid points about this particular vehicle, as well as Peter.  I think green energy politics may be involved with this one, but I don't have the cites to back the allegation up.  Setting that aside, there's going to be pros and cons with this and any other car on the road, and this article just isn't up to par.  So here's a proposal on something akin to rules for a layout on this and any other article about cars and trucks.  &lt;br /&gt;
:1.  Describe the car itself.  This needs to be a physical description of the car, including company making it; where it's made; years of manufacture; performance packages; wheelbase; powertrains; prices; MPG's; speed, and so on.  Since the Volt is electric, how many batteries does it have?  Does it have a generator engine?  How far can it go on a charge?&lt;br /&gt;
:2.  Describe the pros and cons of the vehicle; describe why people like it, and why others don't.  Is the car very good, or is it just another lemon?  For citations, limit yourself to using official press releases from the automakers (Chevy in this case); reputable publications (''Car and Driver'', ''Motor Trend'', ''Consumer Reports'', etc).  If you use a blog citation, make sure that the writer direct connections to the above publications or is a respected member of the auto community (i.e. Chip Foose, Kammie Edelbrock, Jeff Gordon, etc).  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:3.  As to the politics involving the Chevy Volt, place it within a separate sub-topic heading.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:52, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
*I take I've been outvoted. Is Conservapedia is ready for conservative-bashing energy articles? I guess we will find out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 12:10, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Try not to see it as bashing conservative ideals, think of it as making factual and accurate articles that don’t make conservatives look miss-informed.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:51, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Like you're here to make conservatives look more informed. Aren't we &amp;quot;[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&amp;amp;action=historysubmit&amp;amp;diff=1073053&amp;amp;oldid=1073052 lunatic fringe climate deniers]&amp;quot;? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:29, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::If someone parrots the climate change rants of Monckton and Limbaugh? Then yeah, I’d say they subscribe to the lunatic fringe. Not all conservatives hold such views. The original version of this article made a bunch of literally stupid claims. The Volt is a fashion accessory, it is subsidized with factory rebates, emits harmful radiation, likely to electrocute passengers in a crash, the engine is not hooked up to the wheels, liberals and homosexuals have limited knowledge of automobiles, etc. If a person took the earlier versions of this article as gospel, they’d look rather silly regurgitating their ''facts'' to a knowledgeable Volt owner. Looks like I’m actually trying to make conservatives ''look more informed''.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 00:36, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So Limbaugh and Fox News are the lunatic fringe, but of course you don't have you anything against the conservatives who agree with you. Who would they be, anyway? If I wanted to know what mainstream conservative opinion was on a given issue, I'd check ''The American Spectator'' (&amp;quot;[http://spectator.org/articles/35953/volt-sleeps-fishes Volt sleeps with the fishes]&amp;quot;), ''The Weekly Standard'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chevy-volt-still-not-selling_581956.html Chevy Volt: Still Not Selling]&amp;quot;), ''National Review'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.nationalreview.com/planet-gore/242092/gm-volt-electric-lemon-greg-pollowitz The GM Volt Is an ‘Electric Lemon’]&amp;quot;), or ''Human Events'' (&amp;quot;[http://www.humanevents.com/2012/01/07/obama-blew-more-money-on-chevy-volt-than-entire-gdp-of-djibouti/ Obama blew more money on the Chevy Volt than entire GDP of Djibouti]&amp;quot;). These are all to the right of Fox News, so I assume they'd be extradoubleplus lunatic in your book. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 01:41, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::On this question of what's fringe and what's not, I note that Richard Lindzen, John Christy, and Roy Spencer, [http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100257206/climate-science-is-for-second-raters-says-worlds-greatest-atmospheric-physicist/ leading climate scientists all], are skeptics. Stephen Schneider, father of the global warming scare, wasn't a climate scientist at all, but a rather mechanical engineer. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 03:42, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If a conservative, liberal, libertarian or authoritarian makes relevant and factual claims when discussing politics, environment, economics, etc. I’ll patiently listen. When people make crackpot claims I’ll display the contempt they deserve. By the way, lunatic fringe, fringe, skeptics and denial all have different meanings. I reserve lunatic fringe for the extraordinary. The Volt is not for everyone, that doesn’t mean the car is a failure. Many ridiculous claims were made in the articles you recommended. Auto plants periodically close for numerous reasons and the Hamtramck closure was not remarkable. One of the writers made a comparison to a BMW 3 series and the Volt. I own both, I prefer the Volt. And the tripe seemed to go on and on. The climate scientists you mentioned are among the 1% of climate scientists who are skeptical of anthropogenic climate change, but I’d rather discuss such matters on the relevant talk page. As for Dr. Schneider, he was ''also'' a mechanical engineer.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 13:19, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further Reading==&lt;br /&gt;
The Conservative News and Views article is a travesty of journalism filled with numerous faults and should not be featured under ''Further reading''.&lt;br /&gt;
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1.  General Motors went into bankruptcy on June 1 2009 and emerged on 10 July 2009. A total of forty days.  How this article could even imply otherwise is rather mystifying. No other entity other than the U.S. government stepped forward to assist GM, without reorganization funded by the feds; even Ford would have shut their doors.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motorsliquidationdocket.com/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/business/11auto.html?_r=0&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/ford-would-have-shut-without-auto-bailouts-rattner-says.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. GM received a government bailout that prevented the company from being broken up and terminating all their employees. As of 2012, GM employs 77,000 Americans, less than their heyday but still a lot more than zero, which is what they would have employed had the auto maker been allowed to break up. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07/american-made-index-which-automakers-affect-the-most-us-workers.html&lt;br /&gt;
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3. ''...energy-efficient vehicles, otherwise known as The Volt''. This statement makes no sense, the Chevy Volt is not the only energy-efficient vehicle produced by GM. &lt;br /&gt;
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4. The sales figures are also incorrect. There were 326 sold in 2010; 7671 sold in 2011; 23,461 in 2012 and 23,094 in 2013.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&lt;br /&gt;
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&lt;br /&gt;
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This embarrassment of an article should not be linked on Conservapedia. It gets almost nothing right and the people who read and believe the alleged facts will be sorely miss-informed.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:46, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075489</id>
		<title>Chevrolet Volt</title>
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		<updated>2014-02-01T18:16:26Z</updated>

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&lt;div&gt;[[File:2012 Chevy Volt.jpg|right|250px]]&lt;br /&gt;
The '''Chevy Volt''' is a hybrid car produced by [[GM]]. Unlike the Prius it uses lithium-ion batteries and can run on only the electric motor for an extended period.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.chevrolet.com/volt-electric-car/specs/trims.html 2014 Volt Models &amp;amp; Specs]&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The 149 HP electric motor can propel the vehicle to 101 mph and after the 16 kWh battery is depleted the engine switches on to provide energy for the motor and can couple itself to the wheels directly when above 70 mph.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1010_2011_chevrolet_volt_test/ First Test: 2011 Chevrolet Volt]&amp;quot;, ''Motor Trend'', Dec. 2010.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The Volt, like any automobile with a 16 kWh battery or larger, is eligible for a $7,500 tax rebate when purchased.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Plug-In-Electric-Vehicle-Credit-(IRC-30-and-IRC-30D)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ownership Satisfaction==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt owners have the highest rate of owner satisfaction of any new car in 2011 and 2012. 93% of Volt owners would purchase the car again.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2012/1129/Chevy-Volt-tops-customer-satisfaction-survey-again&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Popularity==&lt;br /&gt;
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From a list of the top best-selling vehicles sold during the 2012 model year, the Volt was ranked 133 out of 262.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/09/august-2012-ytd-all-vehicle-rankings.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
GM says the Volt is a niche car but will serve as a technological test bed for future advanced technology.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://gm-volt.com/2014/01/17/what-is-gm-doing-about-automotive-electrification/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sales==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt sales started slow with only 326 sold in 2010. 2011 saw a modest increase in monthly sales with a yearly total of 7671.  A rapid increase happened in 2012 with 23,461 sold though 2013 sales have leveled off at 23,094.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Sales were strongest in California, approximately 50% of all sales &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1082121_predicting-chevy-volt-sales-is-california-inventory-the-key&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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With weak sales, GM may never recoup the car's $1.2 billion development costs,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs GM's losses up to $49,000 on each Volt]&amp;quot;, Reuters, 10 Sep 2012.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a claim GM vehemently denies. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/gm-fights-report-chevy-volts-rolling-away-49-173205445.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Safety==&lt;br /&gt;
General Motors collaborated with the International Association of Fire Chiefs (IAFC), International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF), Illinois Professional Firefighters’ Association (IFPA), National Emergency Number Association (NENA), and the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) to train first responders in handling the peculiarities of electric vehicle accidents. GM also created an emergency response guide for emergency professionals and public use.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/08/gmfr-20100827.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concluded the Chevy Volt does not constitute a fire safety risk and is quoted as saying, ‘no discernible defect trend exists’ after investigating a battery compartment fire that started two weeks after a Volt was destroyed in a crash test. GM has responded further by modifying existing and future Volts to better withstand crashes in the future.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/business/us-finds-no-defect-in-volt.html?_r=2&amp;amp;adxnnl=1&amp;amp;ref=automobiles&amp;amp;adxnnlx=1365182169-63HN9ZydY/7fcl60xagalA&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Further reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2s5raBXj6  Unbolting the Chevy Volt to See How it Ticks]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/how-the-2011-chevrolet-volt-works.html How the 2011 Chevrolet Volt Works]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/volt/ Chevrolet Volt Review ]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/09/22/news/general-motors-sour-deal/ Roseann Salanitri, &amp;quot;General Motors'Sour Deal,&amp;quot; ''Conservative News and Views'', 22 September 2012]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category: Cars]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075483</id>
		<title>Chevrolet Volt</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075483"/>
		<updated>2014-02-01T18:03:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: Further reading additions&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:2012 Chevy Volt.jpg|right|250px]]&lt;br /&gt;
The '''Chevy Volt''' is a hybrid car produced by [[GM]]. Unlike the Prius it uses lithium-ion batteries and can run on only the electric motor for an extended period.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.chevrolet.com/volt-electric-car/specs/trims.html 2014 Volt Models &amp;amp; Specs]&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The 149 HP electric motor can propel the vehicle to 101 mph and after the 16 kWh battery is depleted the engine switches on to provide energy for the motor and can couple itself to the wheels directly when above 70 mph.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1010_2011_chevrolet_volt_test/ First Test: 2011 Chevrolet Volt]&amp;quot;, ''Motor Trend'', Dec. 2010.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The Volt, like any automobile with a 16 kWh battery or larger, is eligible for a $7,500 tax rebate when purchased.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Plug-In-Electric-Vehicle-Credit-(IRC-30-and-IRC-30D)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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With weak sales, GM may never recoup the car's $1.2 billion development costs,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs GM's losses up to $49,000 on each Volt]&amp;quot;, Reuters, 10 Sep 2012.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a claim GM vehemently denies. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/gm-fights-report-chevy-volts-rolling-away-49-173205445.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Like similar projects by other major car companies, the Volt is a response to California state regulations rather than to consumer demand.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323894704578115153704768888 California Spurs Electric Cars]&amp;quot;, ''Wall Street Journal'', Nov. 19, 2012&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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== Ownership Satisfaction==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt owners have the highest rate of owner satisfaction of any new car in 2011 and 2012. 93% of Volt owners would purchase the car again.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2012/1129/Chevy-Volt-tops-customer-satisfaction-survey-again&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Popularity==&lt;br /&gt;
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From a list of the top best-selling vehicles sold during the 2012 model year, the Volt was ranked 133 out of 262.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/09/august-2012-ytd-all-vehicle-rankings.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
GM says the Volt is a niche car but will serve as a technological test bed for future advanced technology.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://gm-volt.com/2014/01/17/what-is-gm-doing-about-automotive-electrification/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Safety==&lt;br /&gt;
General Motors collaborated with the International Association of Fire Chiefs (IAFC), International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF), Illinois Professional Firefighters’ Association (IFPA), National Emergency Number Association (NENA), and the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) to train first responders in handling the peculiarities of electric vehicle accidents. GM also created an emergency response guide for emergency professionals and public use.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/08/gmfr-20100827.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concluded the Chevy Volt does not constitute a fire safety risk and is quoted as saying, ‘no discernible defect trend exists’ after investigating a battery compartment fire that started two weeks after a Volt was destroyed in a crash test. GM has responded further by modifying existing and future Volts to better withstand crashes in the future.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/business/us-finds-no-defect-in-volt.html?_r=2&amp;amp;adxnnl=1&amp;amp;ref=automobiles&amp;amp;adxnnlx=1365182169-63HN9ZydY/7fcl60xagalA&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2s5raBXj6  Unbolting the Chevy Volt to See How it Ticks]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/how-the-2011-chevrolet-volt-works.html How the 2011 Chevrolet Volt Works]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/volt/ Chevrolet Volt Review ]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/09/22/news/general-motors-sour-deal/ Roseann Salanitri, &amp;quot;General Motors'Sour Deal,&amp;quot; ''Conservative News and Views'', 22 September 2012]&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Cars]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075427</id>
		<title>Talk:Chevrolet Volt</title>
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		<updated>2014-02-01T05:36:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
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1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
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3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
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4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
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5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
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6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
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7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its &amp;quot;fact,&amp;quot; and otherwise it's &amp;quot;opinion&amp;quot;? This is just word games. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rules proposal==&lt;br /&gt;
I think Norman brought up some valid points about this particular vehicle, as well as Peter.  I think green energy politics may be involved with this one, but I don't have the cites to back the allegation up.  Setting that aside, there's going to be pros and cons with this and any other car on the road, and this article just isn't up to par.  So here's a proposal on something akin to rules for a layout on this and any other article about cars and trucks.  &lt;br /&gt;
:1.  Describe the car itself.  This needs to be a physical description of the car, including company making it; where it's made; years of manufacture; performance packages; wheelbase; powertrains; prices; MPG's; speed, and so on.  Since the Volt is electric, how many batteries does it have?  Does it have a generator engine?  How far can it go on a charge?&lt;br /&gt;
:2.  Describe the pros and cons of the vehicle; describe why people like it, and why others don't.  Is the car very good, or is it just another lemon?  For citations, limit yourself to using official press releases from the automakers (Chevy in this case); reputable publications (''Car and Driver'', ''Motor Trend'', ''Consumer Reports'', etc).  If you use a blog citation, make sure that the writer direct connections to the above publications or is a respected member of the auto community (i.e. Chip Foose, Kammie Edelbrock, Jeff Gordon, etc).  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:3.  As to the politics involving the Chevy Volt, place it within a separate sub-topic heading.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:52, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
*I take I've been outvoted. Is Conservapedia is ready for conservative-bashing energy articles? I guess we will find out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 12:10, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Try not to see it as bashing conservative ideals, think of it as making factual and accurate articles that don’t make conservatives look miss-informed.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:51, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Like you're here to make conservatives look more informed. Aren't we &amp;quot;[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&amp;amp;action=historysubmit&amp;amp;diff=1073053&amp;amp;oldid=1073052 lunatic fringe climate deniers]&amp;quot;? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:29, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::If someone parrots the climate change rants of Monckton and Limbaugh? Then yeah, I’d say they subscribe to the lunatic fringe. Not all conservatives hold such views. The original version of this article made a bunch of literally stupid claims. The Volt is a fashion accessory, it is subsidized with factory rebates, emits harmful radiation, likely to electrocute passengers in a crash, the engine is not hooked up to the wheels, liberals and homosexuals have limited knowledge of automobiles, etc. If a person took the earlier versions of this article as gospel, they’d look rather silly regurgitating their ''facts'' to a knowledgeable Volt owner. Looks like I’m actually trying to make conservatives ''look more informed''.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 00:36, 1 February 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
==Further Reading==&lt;br /&gt;
The Conservative News and Views article is a travesty of journalism filled with numerous faults and should not be featured under ''Further reading''.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1.  General Motors went into bankruptcy on June 1 2009 and emerged on 10 July 2009. A total of forty days.  How this article could even imply otherwise is rather mystifying. No other entity other than the U.S. government stepped forward to assist GM, without reorganization funded by the feds; even Ford would have shut their doors.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motorsliquidationdocket.com/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/business/11auto.html?_r=0&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/ford-would-have-shut-without-auto-bailouts-rattner-says.html&lt;br /&gt;
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2. GM received a government bailout that prevented the company from being broken up and terminating all their employees. As of 2012, GM employs 77,000 Americans, less than their heyday but still a lot more than zero, which is what they would have employed had the auto maker been allowed to break up. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07/american-made-index-which-automakers-affect-the-most-us-workers.html&lt;br /&gt;
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3. ''...energy-efficient vehicles, otherwise known as The Volt''. This statement makes no sense, the Chevy Volt is not the only energy-efficient vehicle produced by GM. &lt;br /&gt;
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4. The sales figures are also incorrect. There were 326 sold in 2010; 7671 sold in 2011; 23,461 in 2012 and 23,094 in 2013.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&lt;br /&gt;
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&lt;br /&gt;
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This embarrassment of an article should not be linked on Conservapedia. It gets almost nothing right and the people who read and believe the alleged facts will be sorely miss-informed.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:46, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075327</id>
		<title>Talk:Chevrolet Volt</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075327"/>
		<updated>2014-01-31T17:51:22Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its &amp;quot;fact,&amp;quot; and otherwise it's &amp;quot;opinion&amp;quot;? This is just word games. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Rules proposal==&lt;br /&gt;
I think Norman brought up some valid points about this particular vehicle, as well as Peter.  I think green energy politics may be involved with this one, but I don't have the cites to back the allegation up.  Setting that aside, there's going to be pros and cons with this and any other car on the road, and this article just isn't up to par.  So here's a proposal on something akin to rules for a layout on this and any other article about cars and trucks.  &lt;br /&gt;
:1.  Describe the car itself.  This needs to be a physical description of the car, including company making it; where it's made; years of manufacture; performance packages; wheelbase; powertrains; prices; MPG's; speed, and so on.  Since the Volt is electric, how many batteries does it have?  Does it have a generator engine?  How far can it go on a charge?&lt;br /&gt;
:2.  Describe the pros and cons of the vehicle; describe why people like it, and why others don't.  Is the car very good, or is it just another lemon?  For citations, limit yourself to using official press releases from the automakers (Chevy in this case); reputable publications (''Car and Driver'', ''Motor Trend'', ''Consumer Reports'', etc).  If you use a blog citation, make sure that the writer direct connections to the above publications or is a respected member of the auto community (i.e. Chip Foose, Kammie Edelbrock, Jeff Gordon, etc).  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:3.  As to the politics involving the Chevy Volt, place it within a separate sub-topic heading.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:52, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
*I take I've been outvoted. Is Conservapedia is ready for conservative-bashing energy articles? I guess we will find out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 12:10, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Try not to see it as bashing conservative ideals, think of it as making factual and accurate articles that don’t make conservatives look miss-informed.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 12:51, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Further Reading==&lt;br /&gt;
The Conservative News and Views article is a travesty of journalism filled with numerous faults and should not be featured under ''Further reading''.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1.  General Motors went into bankruptcy on June 1 2009 and emerged on 10 July 2009. A total of forty days.  How this article could even imply otherwise is rather mystifying. No other entity other than the U.S. government stepped forward to assist GM, without reorganization funded by the feds; even Ford would have shut their doors.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motorsliquidationdocket.com/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/business/11auto.html?_r=0&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/ford-would-have-shut-without-auto-bailouts-rattner-says.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2. GM received a government bailout that prevented the company from being broken up and terminating all their employees. As of 2012, GM employs 77,000 Americans, less than their heyday but still a lot more than zero, which is what they would have employed had the auto maker been allowed to break up. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07/american-made-index-which-automakers-affect-the-most-us-workers.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
3. ''...energy-efficient vehicles, otherwise known as The Volt''. This statement makes no sense, the Chevy Volt is not the only energy-efficient vehicle produced by GM. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
4. The sales figures are also incorrect. There were 326 sold in 2010; 7671 sold in 2011; 23,461 in 2012 and 23,094 in 2013.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&lt;br /&gt;
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This embarrassment of an article should not be linked on Conservapedia. It gets almost nothing right and the people who read and believe the alleged facts will be sorely miss-informed.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:46, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075319</id>
		<title>Talk:Chevrolet Volt</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075319"/>
		<updated>2014-01-31T16:46:46Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its &amp;quot;fact,&amp;quot; and otherwise it's &amp;quot;opinion&amp;quot;? This is just word games. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Rules proposal==&lt;br /&gt;
I think Norman brought up some valid points about this particular vehicle, as well as Peter.  I think green energy politics may be involved with this one, but I don't have the cites to back the allegation up.  Setting that aside, there's going to be pros and cons with this and any other car on the road, and this article just isn't up to par.  So here's a proposal on something akin to rules for a layout on this and any other article about cars and trucks.  &lt;br /&gt;
:1.  Describe the car itself.  This needs to be a physical description of the car, including company making it; where it's made; years of manufacture; performance packages; wheelbase; powertrains; prices; MPG's; speed, and so on.  Since the Volt is electric, how many batteries does it have?  Does it have a generator engine?  How far can it go on a charge?&lt;br /&gt;
:2.  Describe the pros and cons of the vehicle; describe why people like it, and why others don't.  Is the car very good, or is it just another lemon?  For citations, limit yourself to using official press releases from the automakers (Chevy in this case); reputable publications (''Car and Driver'', ''Motor Trend'', ''Consumer Reports'', etc).  If you use a blog citation, make sure that the writer direct connections to the above publications or is a respected member of the auto community (i.e. Chip Foose, Kammie Edelbrock, Jeff Gordon, etc).  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:3.  As to the politics involving the Chevy Volt, place it within a separate sub-topic heading.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:52, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Further Reading==&lt;br /&gt;
The Conservative News and Views article is a travesty of journalism filled with numerous faults and should not be featured under ''Further reading''.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1.  General Motors went into bankruptcy on June 1 2009 and emerged on 10 July 2009. A total of forty days.  How this article could even imply otherwise is rather mystifying. No other entity other than the U.S. government stepped forward to assist GM, without reorganization funded by the feds; even Ford would have shut their doors.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motorsliquidationdocket.com/&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/11/business/11auto.html?_r=0&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-09/ford-would-have-shut-without-auto-bailouts-rattner-says.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2. GM received a government bailout that prevented the company from being broken up and terminating all their employees. As of 2012, GM employs 77,000 Americans, less than their heyday but still a lot more than zero, which is what they would have employed had the auto maker been allowed to break up. http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2012/07/american-made-index-which-automakers-affect-the-most-us-workers.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
3. ''...energy-efficient vehicles, otherwise known as The Volt''. This statement makes no sense, the Chevy Volt is not the only energy-efficient vehicle produced by GM. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
4. The sales figures are also incorrect. There were 326 sold in 2010; 7671 sold in 2011; 23,461 in 2012 and 23,094 in 2013.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.hybridcars.com/gm-sells-50000th-chevy-volt-in-october/&lt;br /&gt;
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/01/05/chevy-volt-sales-inch-nissan-leaf-sales-2013/&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This embarrassment of an article should not be linked on Conservapedia. It gets almost nothing right and the people who read and believe the alleged facts will be sorely miss-informed.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 11:46, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075308</id>
		<title>Talk:Chevrolet Volt</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075308"/>
		<updated>2014-01-31T15:52:37Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its &amp;quot;fact,&amp;quot; and otherwise it's &amp;quot;opinion&amp;quot;? This is just word games. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Rules proposal==&lt;br /&gt;
I think Norman brought up some valid points about this particular vehicle, as well as Peter.  I think green energy politics may be involved with this one, but I don't have the cites to back the allegation up.  Setting that aside, there's going to be pros and cons with this and any other car on the road, and this article just isn't up to par.  So here's a proposal on something akin to rules for a layout on this and any other article about cars and trucks.  &lt;br /&gt;
:1.  Describe the car itself.  This needs to be a physical description of the car, including company making it; where it's made; years of manufacture; performance packages; wheelbase; powertrains; prices; MPG's; speed, and so on.  Since the Volt is electric, how many batteries does it have?  Does it have a generator engine?  How far can it go on a charge?&lt;br /&gt;
:2.  Describe the pros and cons of the vehicle; describe why people like it, and why others don't.  Is the car very good, or is it just another lemon?  For citations, limit yourself to using official press releases from the automakers (Chevy in this case); reputable publications (''Car and Driver'', ''Motor Trend'', ''Consumer Reports'', etc).  If you use a blog citation, make sure that the writer direct connections to the above publications or is a respected member of the auto community (i.e. Chip Foose, Kammie Edelbrock, Jeff Gordon, etc).  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:3.  As to the politics involving the Chevy Volt, place it within a separate sub-topic heading.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 10:52, 31 January 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075224</id>
		<title>Talk:Chevrolet Volt</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075224"/>
		<updated>2014-01-31T01:35:08Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its &amp;quot;fact,&amp;quot; and otherwise it's &amp;quot;opinion&amp;quot;? This is just word games. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075223</id>
		<title>Chevrolet Volt</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075223"/>
		<updated>2014-01-31T01:28:15Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:2012 Chevy Volt.jpg|right|250px]]&lt;br /&gt;
The '''Chevy Volt''' is a hybrid car produced by [[GM]]. Unlike the Prius it uses lithium-ion batteries and can run on only the electric motor for an extended period.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.chevrolet.com/volt-electric-car/specs/trims.html 2014 Volt Models &amp;amp; Specs]&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The 149 HP electric motor can propel the vehicle to 101 mph and after the 16 kWh battery is depleted the engine switches on to provide energy for the motor and can couple itself to the wheels directly when above 70 mph.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1010_2011_chevrolet_volt_test/ First Test: 2011 Chevrolet Volt]&amp;quot;, ''Motor Trend'', Dec. 2010.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The Volt, like any automobile with a 16 kWh battery or larger, is eligible for a $7,500 tax rebate when purchased.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Plug-In-Electric-Vehicle-Credit-(IRC-30-and-IRC-30D)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
With weak sales, GM may never recoup the car's $1.2 billion development costs,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs GM's losses up to $49,000 on each Volt]&amp;quot;, Reuters, 10 Sep 2012.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a claim GM vehemently denies. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/gm-fights-report-chevy-volts-rolling-away-49-173205445.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Like similar projects by other major car companies, the Volt is a response to California state regulations rather than to consumer demand.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323894704578115153704768888 California Spurs Electric Cars]&amp;quot;, ''Wall Street Journal'', Nov. 19, 2012&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Ownership Satisfaction==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt owners have the highest rate of owner satisfaction of any new car in 2011 and 2012. 93% of Volt owners would purchase the car again.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2012/1129/Chevy-Volt-tops-customer-satisfaction-survey-again&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Popularity==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
From a list of the top best-selling vehicles sold during the 2012 model year, the Volt was ranked 133 out of 262.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/09/august-2012-ytd-all-vehicle-rankings.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
GM says the Volt is a niche car but will serve as a technological test bed for future advanced technology.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://gm-volt.com/2014/01/17/what-is-gm-doing-about-automotive-electrification/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Safety==&lt;br /&gt;
General Motors collaborated with the International Association of Fire Chiefs (IAFC), International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF), Illinois Professional Firefighters’ Association (IFPA), National Emergency Number Association (NENA), and the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) to train first responders in handling the peculiarities of electric vehicle accidents. GM also created an emergency response guide for emergency professionals and public use.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/08/gmfr-20100827.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concluded the Chevy Volt does not constitute a fire safety risk and is quoted as saying, ‘no discernible defect trend exists’ after investigating a battery compartment fire that started two weeks after a Volt was destroyed in a crash test. GM has responded further by modifying existing and future Volts to better withstand crashes in the future.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/business/us-finds-no-defect-in-volt.html?_r=2&amp;amp;adxnnl=1&amp;amp;ref=automobiles&amp;amp;adxnnlx=1365182169-63HN9ZydY/7fcl60xagalA&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Further reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/09/22/news/general-motors-sour-deal/ Roseann Salanitri, &amp;quot;General Motors'Sour Deal,&amp;quot; ''Conservative News and Views'', 22 September 2012]&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Cars]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075057</id>
		<title>Talk:Chevrolet Volt</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1075057"/>
		<updated>2014-01-30T03:31:48Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Fact tags. ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I've provided you with references.  In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about.  The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. [[User:CraigF2|CraigF2]] 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a &amp;quot;supercar&amp;quot; is. I just think it's a silly word. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: ''&amp;quot;An electric shock caused by an accident-damaged EV could kill an imprudent approacher.&amp;quot;'' [http://www.cars21.com/article.view.php?Id=344]--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:20, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Great. Put it in the article. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 14:28, 13 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency.&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. &lt;br /&gt;
http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:The fact that [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car] is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as &amp;quot;green.&amp;quot; Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily [http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/06/autos/gm-chevy-volt-price/ to meet a California regulation]. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1074998</id>
		<title>Chevrolet Volt</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1074998"/>
		<updated>2014-01-29T01:38:53Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: Replaced first paragraph with factual information and acceptable sources.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;The '''Chevy Volt''' is a hybrid car produced by [[GM]]. Unlike the Prius it uses lithium-ion batteries and can run on only the electric motor for an extended period. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.chevrolet.com/volt-electric-car/specs/trims.html &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The 149 HP electric motor can propel the vehicle to 101 mph and after the 16 KWh battery is depleted the engine switches on to provide energy for the motor and can couple itself to the wheels directly when above 70 mph. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1010_2011_chevrolet_volt_test/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;The Volt, like any automobile with a 16kWh battery or larger, is eligible for a $7500 tax rebate when purchased. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Plug-In-Electric-Vehicle-Credit-(IRC-30-and-IRC-30D)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Ownership Satisfaction==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt owners have the highest rate of owner satisfaction of any new car in 2011 and 2012. 93% of Volt owners would purchase the car again.  &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2012/1129/Chevy-Volt-tops-customer-satisfaction-survey-again&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Popularity==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
From a list of the top best-selling vehicles sold during the 2012 model year, the Volt was ranked 133 out of 262.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/09/august-2012-ytd-all-vehicle-rankings.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
GM says the Volt is a niche car but will serve as a technological test bed for future advanced technology. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://gm-volt.com/2014/01/17/what-is-gm-doing-about-automotive-electrification/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Safety==&lt;br /&gt;
General Motors collaborated with the International Association of Fire Chiefs (IAFC), International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF), Illinois Professional Firefighters’ Association (IFPA), National Emergency Number Association (NENA), and the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) to train first responders in handling the peculiarities of electric vehicle accidents. GM also created an emergency response guide for emergency professionals and public use.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/08/gmfr-20100827.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concluded the Chevy Volt does not constitute a fire safety risk and is quoted as saying, ‘no discernible defect trend exists’ after investigating a battery compartment fire that started two weeks after a Volt was destroyed in a crash test. GM has responded further by modifying existing and future Volts to better withstand crashes in the future.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/business/us-finds-no-defect-in-volt.html?_r=2&amp;amp;adxnnl=1&amp;amp;ref=automobiles&amp;amp;adxnnlx=1365182169-63HN9ZydY/7fcl60xagalA&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Further reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/09/22/news/general-motors-sour-deal/ Roseann Salanitri, &amp;quot;General Motors'Sour Deal,&amp;quot; ''Conservative News and Views'', 22 September 2012]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Cars]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1074997</id>
		<title>Chevrolet Volt</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chevrolet_Volt&amp;diff=1074997"/>
		<updated>2014-01-29T01:21:27Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: Replaced opinion referenced by a blog to an official statement by GM.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;The '''Chevy Volt''' is a [[hybrid car]] produced by [[GM]]. Unlike the Prius it uses lithium-ion batteries and can run on only the electric motor for an extended period.  The tiny gas engine is not hooked up to the wheels and functions as a generator to charge the batteries. {{fact}} This is a highly inefficient system as there are losses in both the charging of the battery and in the electric motor which would not exist if the engine was connected to the wheels with a transmission and drive shafts. The government is subsidizing the purchase of the Volt, with each car reportedly costing GM $49,000 more than what they are selling them for.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/10/Insight--GMs-Volt---The-ugly-math-of-low-sales--high-costs&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The Volt is a typical example of the Obama's administration's failed green energy investments.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://blog.heritage.org/2012/10/18/president-obamas-taxpayer-backed-green-energy-failures/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Ownership Satisfaction==&lt;br /&gt;
Volt owners have the highest rate of owner satisfaction of any new car in 2011 and 2012. 93% of Volt owners would purchase the car again.  &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2012/1129/Chevy-Volt-tops-customer-satisfaction-survey-again&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Popularity==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
From a list of the top best-selling vehicles sold during the 2012 model year, the Volt was ranked 133 out of 262.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/09/august-2012-ytd-all-vehicle-rankings.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
GM says the Volt is a niche car but will serve as a technological test bed for future advanced technology. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://gm-volt.com/2014/01/17/what-is-gm-doing-about-automotive-electrification/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Safety==&lt;br /&gt;
General Motors collaborated with the International Association of Fire Chiefs (IAFC), International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF), Illinois Professional Firefighters’ Association (IFPA), National Emergency Number Association (NENA), and the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) to train first responders in handling the peculiarities of electric vehicle accidents. GM also created an emergency response guide for emergency professionals and public use.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/08/gmfr-20100827.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concluded the Chevy Volt does not constitute a fire safety risk and is quoted as saying, ‘no discernible defect trend exists’ after investigating a battery compartment fire that started two weeks after a Volt was destroyed in a crash test. GM has responded further by modifying existing and future Volts to better withstand crashes in the future.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/business/us-finds-no-defect-in-volt.html?_r=2&amp;amp;adxnnl=1&amp;amp;ref=automobiles&amp;amp;adxnnlx=1365182169-63HN9ZydY/7fcl60xagalA&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Further reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/09/22/news/general-motors-sour-deal/ Roseann Salanitri, &amp;quot;General Motors'Sour Deal,&amp;quot; ''Conservative News and Views'', 22 September 2012]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Cars]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Berkeley_Earth_Surface_Temperature&amp;diff=1073061</id>
		<title>Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Berkeley_Earth_Surface_Temperature&amp;diff=1073061"/>
		<updated>2014-01-09T02:26:25Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Berkley Earth was created by Richard and Elizabeth Muller in 2010 when they addressed the five major concerns of climate change skeptics. The study released in 2012 addressed alleged biases from data selection, data adjustment, poor station quality, and the urban heat island effect as well as an over reliance on climate modeling by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.berkeleyearth.org/about&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Berkeley_Earth_Surface_Temperature&amp;diff=1073060</id>
		<title>Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Berkeley_Earth_Surface_Temperature&amp;diff=1073060"/>
		<updated>2014-01-09T02:24:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;NormaN: Created page with &amp;quot;Berkley Earth was created by Richard and Elizabeth Muller in 2010 when they addressed the five major concerns of climate change skeptics. The study released in 2012 addressed all...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Berkley Earth was created by Richard and Elizabeth Muller in 2010 when they addressed the five major concerns of climate change skeptics. The study released in 2012 addressed alleged biases from data selection, data adjustment, poor station quality, and the urban heat island effect as well as an over reliance on climate modeling by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.berkeleyearth.org/about&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Electric_Vehicle&amp;diff=1072987</id>
		<title>Electric Vehicle</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==Electric Vehicle==&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Electric vehicles''' (EVs)are [[automobile|vehicles]] that are propelled by an [[electric motor]], rather than a conventional [[internal combustion engine]]. Like with any creation, there are it's benefits and it's drawbacks. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Electric Vehicle Advantages==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
# Produces significantly less [[pollution|emissions]].&lt;br /&gt;
# Charging is about $2.44 per charge (on average, depending on where you live and what time of day you recharge) vs. Average Tank of Gas &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=24&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
# Produces full [[torque]] from the first instant (hence, high performance). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Electric Vehicle Disadvantages==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
# Expensive initial cost &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.teslamotors.com/buy/buyshowroom.php&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
# Being of a new and more complected design, EVs are more difficult and expensive to repair&lt;br /&gt;
# Relatively smaller range (the exception being extended range-EVs, which have gasoline generators on board, allowing these cars to have the same range as any other traditional gasoline powered car) &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://auto.howstuffworks.com/hybrid-car1.htm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
# Limited access to charing facilities (while homeowners can charge EVs with any standard 120 volt outlet or have a 240 volt charging system installed in their home, many city dwellers and those without the ability to charge their EVs at home will depend on recharging their EVs at public charging stations, of which their are currently very few)&lt;br /&gt;
# Limited [[battery (electrical)|battery]] lifespan (like with any rechargeable battery, the maximum charge held by an EV's battery will eventually decline, requioring the replacment of this very expensive battery system; manufactures generally claim about a 10 year lifspan for their EV's batteries.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Electric Vehicle and the Economy==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Electric vehicles are great for vehicular diversity which creates competition. In a [[free market]] system, when competition is created the consumer wins. This is because [[gasoline]] car companies and electric car companies work harder and harder to convince you to buy their product. As a result they have to bring the best performance to the table at lower and lower prices.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Range==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Most EVs on the market in 2011 are pure electric vehicles, having only a rechargeable battery and electric motor on board. This limits the range of the vehicle to the maximum change able to be stored in the car's batteries (which decreases with continual recharging). The Chevrolet Volt, an American-built electric car, is, however, the first and currently only extended-range EV, meaning that it has a gasoline generator on board that produces electirical power to drive the car's motor when the batteries are depleted. This gives the Volt a 400-mile range on a single charge and tank of gas. The Volt only requires one of its power sources to operate at any one time (thus it can run entirely on electricity stored in batteries, entirely on gasoline, or both simultaneously), thus the Volt, as apposed to all other EVs in 2011, can be driven like a traditional gasoline-powered vehicle with many of the advantages of an electric motor as the power-plant of the vehicle (e.g. full torque from the first instant). Some manufactures of pure EVs have attacked the use of a gasoline [[generator]] on the Volt, touting their pure electric vehicles as the more environmentally conscious option, hoping to paint the Volt and future extended-range EVs as harmful to the environment and attracting more [[environmentalists]] to their products (see Nissan Leaf&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhSqI77aLHU&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== 2013 Sales==&lt;br /&gt;
As of the end of 2013, electric vehicles sales have risen to over 96,000 (168,000 since 2008), though this still represents less than one percent of all vehicle sales. The number of models has risen to sixteen with more in the planning stages. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://gm-volt.com/2014/01/06/2013-volt-leads-highest-yet-us-plug-in-car-sales-for-second-straight-year/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{reflist}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Transportation]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Solar_power&amp;diff=1072309</id>
		<title>Solar power</title>
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'''Solar power''' typically refers to the production of electricity from light given off by the sun. The most common instance of this is the use of photovoltaic cells in solar panels, which have been employed on the small scale (e.g. solar powered calculators) and large scale (e.g. solar power plants, orbiting artificial satellites). Solar power is a renewable energy source, in contrast with [[fossil fuels]]. Solar power production via photovoltaic cells typically produces a less efficient conversion of energy into electricity compared to power production from the burning of fossil fuels, but with the abundance of solar rations available to Earth, this limited efficiency is normally inconsequential. The main drawback to using solar power as a principle energy source is the the inability to provide baseload power throughout the day and night: the sun cannot be guaranteed to shine every day, power is still in demand after the setting of the sun, and some areas of the world do not receive enough consistent sunlight to rely on solar power as a main energy source. Thus, solar power will, at least in the foreseeable future, not become a principle part of the world's energy production but may still be very useful in supplementing power demands in some parts of the world. Employment of small solar power arrays in areas that are rarely overcast (e.g. the American southwest) may allow some businesses to cheaply produce products and chemicals that require large electrical demand (e.g. the production of extremely pure hydrogen and oxygen from the electrolysis of water).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Grid Parity==&lt;br /&gt;
Grid parity refers to the point where power provided by solar panels (photovoltaic solar) is at the same or lower price of conventional power sources such as coal, natural gas or nuclear.  The price per watt of installed solar has been steadily falling while the price of other energy sources including wind power has been steadily rising.  A historic crossover with nuclear power occurred in 2010.  In regions with adequate sun exposure electricity can now be produced at a lower cost per kWh with PV solar than with nuclear power.  The price for a DIY residential grid-tie solar system can be as low as $2.50/w (2011), before subsidies or tax credits.  At this price the system would pay for itself in ~12 years, many utilities offer incentives that can lower payback to &amp;lt;4 years.  Most systems carry a 25-30 year warranty.  Due to the fact that most solar power is produced when electric demand is highest, between 3pm - 7pm many utilities actually benefit from paying their customers to install solar panels since most districts do not charge peak rates.  It can cost a major utility as much as $.50/kwh during peak demand while solar production credits are usually ~$.20/kwh.  Roof-top PV can be extremely cost-effective since no land needs to be purchased.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Distributed Generation==&lt;br /&gt;
Conventional sources of power generation are concentrated in power plants that range from 100MW to 1000MW.  Distributed Generation is the grid-tied production of electricity from smaller generators typically less than 100 kw.  Solar Power is an ideal source of energy for distributed generation.  Most residential rooftops are capable of supporting at least 3 kw of solar panels while many commercial warehouses can support several MW of solar PV.  In sunny regions of the US this is adequate to provide &amp;gt;50% of the electricity requirements for the average US household.  One major advantage to distributed generation is that it is consumed very close to where it is produced, this decreases the stress on America's electric grid which is already operating near capacity.  Germany is an example of how effective distributed generation can be adding 7 GW of solar power in 2010 alone, this is more electricity than is produced by a nuclear power plant.  Solar power often provides &amp;gt;10% of electricity in Germany during the day and doubled in capacity from 2009 to 2010.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==World Wide Solar PV Increase==  {{Copyright Details (US Government)}} &lt;br /&gt;
In 2012 in the United States, wind and solar photovoltaics (PV) were two of the fastestgro wing electric generation technologies. In 2012, cumulative installed wind capacity increased by nearly 28% and cumulative installed solar photovoltaic capacity grew&lt;br /&gt;
more than 83% from the previous year.&lt;br /&gt;
Solar electricity generating capacity grew by a factor of over 21 between 2000 and 2012 and currently accounts for 0.3% of annual U.S. electricity generation. Countries with extensive solar policies—such as Germany, Spain, and Italy— lead the world in solar photovoltaic (PV) deployment. Similarly, U.S. states with extensive solar incentives lead the United States in both cumulative and&lt;br /&gt;
annual installations in 2012 (California, Arizona, New Jersey, Nevada, and Colorado).&lt;br /&gt;
U.S. manufacturers currently have a small share of the worldwide PV market. Asian—particularly Chinese—manufacturers lead the market with nearly 85% of the global photovoltaic module production. 30 MW of new concentrating solar power (CSP) capacity came online in the United States in 2012. Approximately 1.6 GW of CSP projects are currently under construction in the United States and are projected to come online in 2013 and 2014; 900 MW are estimated to come online in 2013 alone.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy14osti/60197.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Global warming claims==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Liberal]]s often point to solar power as a way to &amp;quot;solve&amp;quot; global warming. This has several problems. Other than the fact that [[Counterexamples to Global Warming|the claim of global warming is dubious, to say the least]], solar power is not very efficient, giving much less energy than oil. Many liberals have tried to force solar power onto many areas, despite the fact that it would be very costly and would be much more inefficient than oil, for example. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:energy]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Solar power</title>
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'''Solar power''' typically refers to the production of electricity from light given off by the sun. The most common instance of this is the use of photovoltaic cells in solar panels, which have been employed on the small scale (e.g. solar powered calculators) and large scale (e.g. solar power plants, orbiting artificial satellites). Solar power is a renewable energy source, in contrast with [[fossil fuels]]. Solar power production via photovoltaic cells typically produces a less efficient conversion of energy into electricity compared to power production from the burning of fossil fuels, but with the abundance of solar rations available to Earth, this limited efficiency is normally inconsequential. The main drawback to using solar power as a principle energy source is the the inability to provide baseload power throughout the day and night: the sun cannot be guaranteed to shine every day, power is still in demand after the setting of the sun, and some areas of the world do not receive enough consistent sunlight to rely on solar power as a main energy source. Thus, solar power will, at least in the foreseeable future, not become a principle part of the world's energy production but may still be very useful in supplementing power demands in some parts of the world. Employment of small solar power arrays in areas that are rarely overcast (e.g. the American southwest) may allow some businesses to cheaply produce products and chemicals that require large electrical demand (e.g. the production of extremely pure hydrogen and oxygen from the electrolysis of water).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Grid Parity==&lt;br /&gt;
Grid parity refers to the point where power provided by solar panels (photovoltaic solar) is at the same or lower price of conventional power sources such as coal, natural gas or nuclear.  The price per watt of installed solar has been steadily falling while the price of other energy sources including wind power has been steadily rising.  A historic crossover with nuclear power occurred in 2010.  In regions with adequate sun exposure electricity can now be produced at a lower cost per kWh with PV solar than with nuclear power.  The price for a DIY residential grid-tie solar system can be as low as $2.50/w (2011), before subsidies or tax credits.  At this price the system would pay for itself in ~12 years, many utilities offer incentives that can lower payback to &amp;lt;4 years.  Most systems carry a 25-30 year warranty.  Due to the fact that most solar power is produced when electric demand is highest, between 3pm - 7pm many utilities actually benefit from paying their customers to install solar panels since most districts do not charge peak rates.  It can cost a major utility as much as $.50/kwh during peak demand while solar production credits are usually ~$.20/kwh.  Roof-top PV can be extremely cost-effective since no land needs to be purchased.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Distributed Generation==&lt;br /&gt;
Conventional sources of power generation are concentrated in power plants that range from 100MW to 1000MW.  Distributed Generation is the grid-tied production of electricity from smaller generators typically less than 100 kw.  Solar Power is an ideal source of energy for distributed generation.  Most residential rooftops are capable of supporting at least 3 kw of solar panels while many commercial warehouses can support several MW of solar PV.  In sunny regions of the US this is adequate to provide &amp;gt;50% of the electricity requirements for the average US household.  One major advantage to distributed generation is that it is consumed very close to where it is produced, this decreases the stress on America's electric grid which is already operating near capacity.  Germany is an example of how effective distributed generation can be adding 7 GW of solar power in 2010 alone, this is more electricity than is produced by a nuclear power plant.  Solar power often provides &amp;gt;10% of electricity in Germany during the day and doubled in capacity from 2009 to 2010.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==World Wide Solar PV Increase==&lt;br /&gt;
In 2012 in the United States, wind and solar photovoltaics (PV) were two of the fastestgro wing electric generation technologies. In 2012, cumulative installed wind capacity increased by nearly 28% and cumulative installed solar photovoltaic capacity grew&lt;br /&gt;
more than 83% from the previous year.&lt;br /&gt;
Solar electricity generating capacity grew by a factor of over 21 between 2000 and 2012 and currently accounts for 0.3% of annual U.S. electricity generation. Countries with extensive solar policies—such as Germany, Spain, and Italy— lead the world in solar photovoltaic (PV) deployment. Similarly, U.S. states with extensive solar incentives lead the United States in both cumulative and&lt;br /&gt;
annual installations in 2012 (California, Arizona, New Jersey, Nevada, and Colorado).&lt;br /&gt;
U.S. manufacturers currently have a small share of the worldwide PV market. Asian—particularly Chinese—manufacturers lead the market with nearly 85% of the global photovoltaic module production. 30 MW of new concentrating solar power (CSP) capacity came online in the United States in 2012. Approximately 1.6 GW of CSP projects are currently under construction in the United States and are projected to come online in 2013 and 2014; 900 MW are estimated to come online in 2013 alone.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy14osti/60197.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Global warming claims==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Liberal]]s often point to solar power as a way to &amp;quot;solve&amp;quot; global warming. This has several problems. Other than the fact that [[Counterexamples to Global Warming|the claim of global warming is dubious, to say the least]], solar power is not very efficient, giving much less energy than oil. Many liberals have tried to force solar power onto many areas, despite the fact that it would be very costly and would be much more inefficient than oil, for example. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:energy]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Solar power</title>
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'''Solar power''' typically refers to the production of electricity from light given off by the sun. The most common instance of this is the use of photovoltaic cells in solar panels, which have been employed on the small scale (e.g. solar powered calculators) and large scale (e.g. solar power plants, orbiting artificial satellites). Solar power is a renewable energy source, in contrast with [[fossil fuels]]. Solar power production via photovoltaic cells typically produces a less efficient conversion of energy into electricity compared to power production from the burning of fossil fuels, but with the abundance of solar rations available to Earth, this limited efficiency is normally inconsequential. The main drawback to using solar power as a principle energy source is the the inability to provide baseload power throughout the day and night: the sun cannot be guaranteed to shine every day, power is still in demand after the setting of the sun, and some areas of the world do not receive enough consistent sunlight to rely on solar power as a main energy source. Thus, solar power will, at least in the foreseeable future, not become a principle part of the world's energy production but may still be very useful in supplementing power demands in some parts of the world. Employment of small solar power arrays in areas that are rarely overcast (e.g. the American southwest) may allow some businesses to cheaply produce products and chemicals that require large electrical demand (e.g. the production of extremely pure hydrogen and oxygen from the electrolysis of water).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Grid Parity==&lt;br /&gt;
Grid parity refers to the point where power provided by solar panels (photovoltaic solar) is at the same or lower price of conventional power sources such as coal, natural gas or nuclear.  The price per watt of installed solar has been steadily falling while the price of other energy sources including wind power has been steadily rising.  A historic crossover with nuclear power occurred in 2010.  In regions with adequate sun exposure electricity can now be produced at a lower cost per kWh with PV solar than with nuclear power.  The price for a DIY residential grid-tie solar system can be as low as $2.50/w (2011), before subsidies or tax credits.  At this price the system would pay for itself in ~12 years, many utilities offer incentives that can lower payback to &amp;lt;4 years.  Most systems carry a 25-30 year warranty.  Due to the fact that most solar power is produced when electric demand is highest, between 3pm - 7pm many utilities actually benefit from paying their customers to install solar panels since most districts do not charge peak rates.  It can cost a major utility as much as $.50/kwh during peak demand while solar production credits are usually ~$.20/kwh.  Roof-top PV can be extremely cost-effective since no land needs to be purchased.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Distributed Generation==&lt;br /&gt;
Conventional sources of power generation are concentrated in power plants that range from 100MW to 1000MW.  Distributed Generation is the grid-tied production of electricity from smaller generators typically less than 100 kw.  Solar Power is an ideal source of energy for distributed generation.  Most residential rooftops are capable of supporting at least 3 kw of solar panels while many commercial warehouses can support several MW of solar PV.  In sunny regions of the US this is adequate to provide &amp;gt;50% of the electricity requirements for the average US household.  One major advantage to distributed generation is that it is consumed very close to where it is produced, this decreases the stress on America's electric grid which is already operating near capacity.  Germany is an example of how effective distributed generation can be adding 7 GW of solar power in 2010 alone, this is more electricity than is produced by a nuclear power plant.  Solar power often provides &amp;gt;10% of electricity in Germany during the day and doubled in capacity from 2009 to 2010.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==World Wide Solar PV Increase==&lt;br /&gt;
In 2012 in the United States, wind and solar photovoltaics (PV) were two of the fastestgro wing electric generation technologies. In 2012, cumulative installed wind capacity increased by nearly 28% and cumulative installed solar photovoltaic capacity grew&lt;br /&gt;
more than 83% from the previous year.&lt;br /&gt;
Solar electricity generating capacity grew by a factor of over 21 between 2000 and 2012 and currently accounts for 0.3% of annual U.S. electricity generation. Countries with extensive solar policies—such as Germany, Spain, and Italy— lead the world in solar photovoltaic (PV) deployment. Similarly, U.S. states with extensive solar incentives lead the United States in both cumulative and&lt;br /&gt;
annual installations in 2012 (California, Arizona, New Jersey, Nevada, and Colorado).&lt;br /&gt;
U.S. manufacturers currently have a small share of the worldwide PV market. Asian—particularly Chinese—manufacturers lead the market with nearly 85% of the global photovoltaic module production. 30 MW of new concentrating solar power (CSP) capacity came online in the United States in 2012. Approximately 1.6 GW of CSP projects are currently under construction in the United States and are projected to come online in 2013 and 2014; 900 MW are estimated to come online in 2013 alone.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy14osti/60197.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Global warming claims==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Liberal]]s often point to solar power as a way to &amp;quot;solve&amp;quot; global warming. This has several problems. Other than the fact that [[Counterexamples to Global Warming|the claim of global warming is dubious, to say the least]], solar power is not very efficient, giving much less energy than oil. Many liberals have tried to force solar power onto many areas, despite the fact that it would be very costly and would be much more inefficient than oil, for example. &lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:energy]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>NormaN</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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'''Solar power''' typically refers to the production of electricity from light given off by the sun. The most common instance of this is the use of photovoltaic cells in solar panels, which have been employed on the small scale (e.g. solar powered calculators) and large scale (e.g. solar power plants, orbiting artificial satellites). Solar power is a renewable energy source, in contrast with [[fossil fuels]]. Solar power production via photovoltaic cells typically produces a less efficient conversion of energy into electricity compared to power production from the burning of fossil fuels, but with the abundance of solar rations available to Earth, this limited efficiency is normally inconsequential. The main drawback to using solar power as a principle energy source is the the inability to provide baseload power throughout the day and night: the sun cannot be guaranteed to shine every day, power is still in demand after the setting of the sun, and some areas of the world do not receive enough consistent sunlight to rely on solar power as a main energy source. Thus, solar power will, at least in the foreseeable future, not become a principle part of the world's energy production but may still be very useful in supplementing power demands in some parts of the world. Employment of small solar power arrays in areas that are rarely overcast (e.g. the American southwest) may allow some businesses to cheaply produce products and chemicals that require large electrical demand (e.g. the production of extremely pure hydrogen and oxygen from the electrolysis of water).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Grid Parity==&lt;br /&gt;
Grid parity refers to the point where power provided by solar panels (photovoltaic solar) is at the same or lower price of conventional power sources such as coal, natural gas or nuclear.  The price per watt of installed solar has been steadily falling while the price of other energy sources including wind power has been steadily rising.  A historic crossover with nuclear power occurred in 2010.  In regions with adequate sun exposure electricity can now be produced at a lower cost per kWh with PV solar than with nuclear power.  The price for a DIY residential grid-tie solar system can be as low as $2.50/w (2011), before subsidies or tax credits.  At this price the system would pay for itself in ~12 years, many utilities offer incentives that can lower payback to &amp;lt;4 years.  Most systems carry a 25-30 year warranty.  Due to the fact that most solar power is produced when electric demand is highest, between 3pm - 7pm many utilities actually benefit from paying their customers to install solar panels since most districts do not charge peak rates.  It can cost a major utility as much as $.50/kwh during peak demand while solar production credits are usually ~$.20/kwh.  Roof-top PV can be extremely cost-effective since no land needs to be purchased.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Distributed Generation==&lt;br /&gt;
Conventional sources of power generation are concentrated in power plants that range from 100MW to 1000MW.  Distributed Generation is the grid-tied production of electricity from smaller generators typically less than 100 kw.  Solar Power is an ideal source of energy for distributed generation.  Most residential rooftops are capable of supporting at least 3 kw of solar panels while many commercial warehouses can support several MW of solar PV.  In sunny regions of the US this is adequate to provide &amp;gt;50% of the electricity requirements for the average US household.  One major advantage to distributed generation is that it is consumed very close to where it is produced, this decreases the stress on America's electric grid which is already operating near capacity.  Germany is an example of how effective distributed generation can be adding 7 GW of solar power in 2010 alone, this is more electricity than is produced by a nuclear power plant.  Solar power often provides &amp;gt;10% of electricity in Germany during the day and doubled in capacity from 2009 to 2010.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Liberal]]s often point to solar power as a way to &amp;quot;solve&amp;quot; global warming. This has several problems. Other than the fact that [[Counterexamples to Global Warming|the claim of global warming is dubious, to say the least]], solar power is not very efficient, giving much less energy than oil. Many liberals have tried to force solar power onto many areas, despite the fact that it would be very costly and would be much more inefficient than oil, for example. &lt;br /&gt;
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I'm not clear, but the article had quoted an individual, Dr. Gabriel Calzada, who works at Universidad Rey Juan Carlos, then later gave another quote attributed to &amp;quot;Carlos,&amp;quot; which I've changed to &amp;quot;Calzada&amp;quot; in accordance with the reference for these quotes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Just wanted to explain why I re-wrote/re-organized this page. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 09:36, 14 July 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Accuracy Needed==&lt;br /&gt;
This article treats cap and trade as if the sole focus is on climate change. With the first development of cap and trade in 1977, every president from Reagan to G W Bush has used cap and trade to reduce or eliminate pollution such as CFCs, acid rain, and leaded gasoline. In fact cap and trade has enjoyed decades of bipartisan support until Pres. Obama assumed office, Even McCain and Palin supported the idea of using cap and trade to offset CO2 emissions. They both flip flopped when Obama came on board. This article should reflect reality instead of being used to score political points. --[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 15:00, 27 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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Favorite soundbite from televised debates 2/4-2/5: &amp;quot;This is about corporate welfare for Merck and making guinea pigs of Texas school girls.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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The proposed HPV vaccine mandate uses 11-year-old school girls as guinea pigs for Merck.  “HPV” really means “Help Pay for Vioxx,” since Merck is seeking state laws to give it billions of dollars in new revenue.  Drug-industry analyst Steve Brozak of W.B.B. Securities projected sales of this vaccine to be billions if states require it.  “I could not think of a bigger boost” to Merck, he said.&lt;br /&gt;
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But this vaccine is a loser.  Michigan recently rejected Merck’s attempt for a state mandate there.  Indiana rebuffed Merck’s attempt there.  Maryland refused to mandate this vaccine.  The Texas legislature opposes imposing this vaccine by mandate.  Only after Merck hired Texas Governor Rick Perry’s former chief-of-staff, and funded the “Women in Government” group to advance Merck’s agenda, did the Texas Governor bypass the legislature in a move of dubious legality.  Follow the money.&lt;br /&gt;
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This new vaccine hs not been shown to prevent a single case of cancer.  Merck, in its own package insert, does not claim that this vaccine lasts more than a few years.  The average age of cervical cancer is 48.  There is no evidence giving this vaccine to an 11-year-old will protect against a condition 37 years later.  Not even Merck makes that claim.&lt;br /&gt;
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Merck wants the states to require purchase of its vaccine, and kids can feel free to have sex.  Only in the fine print do we learn that no long term benefits or risks of this vaccine have even been tested.  Merck did not even test if this vaccine causes cancer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Don’t be fooled by this drug company chicanery.  Follow the money and see that this vaccine is great for Merck and bad for the rest of us.  It costs $360 for the shots alone, and up to $1000 when administrative fees and follow-up office visits are included, particularly when there is an adverse reaction.&lt;br /&gt;
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This controversial vaccine was approved only about eight months ago, based on testing of perhaps only a few hundred young girls.  Do not make guinea pigs out of all our children.  Parents who want to give this to their children can already do so.  This vaccine does not prevent any diseases contagious at school and should not be used as a condition of entering school.  It should not be forced on our children.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, honestly. The vaccine only serves to protect. A good Christian girl will stick to her morals and won't go out having sex because of this vaccine, and a girl who had already planned on having sex would benefit from this, because it protects them. Do you feel inclined to step on a rusty nail after you get a tetanis booster? --[[User:Hojimachong|Hojimachong]] 18:38, 8 March 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::please see the discussion in ASchafly's thread between him and me.  I have in good faith attempted to contribute valuable, moral information here, but he is questioning my credentials in bad faith.  I hope he reads up a little and stops the attacks. [[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 16:20, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Palmd0001, your recent edit was unsupported and false.  See [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/01/16/DI2007011600929.html here].--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:23, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::My edits are, of course, completely supported, not false, cited, and written by an expert (me) which is more than I can say for much else here after my little discussion with you [http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#Question][[http://www.example.com link title]] Any fair and balanced observer will see that you have no interest in the truth.  I had really hoped otherwise.&lt;br /&gt;
Your potential friend, Peter [[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 20:30, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Dave, thank you for the NEJM citation. It will probably not last.[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 20:46, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::No problem. I am anticipating the inevitable edit followed by &amp;quot;The New England Journal of Medicine is not a valid source&amp;quot; statement.--[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 21:23, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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There is a problem, at the least, with the phrasing regarding abstinence.  People abstaining from sex do not have sexual partners.  This should be fixed or removed. [[User:DrSandstone|DrSandstone]] 14:52, 28 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Consider discussing here...even if you are the boss.--[[User:palmd001|PalMD]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:palmd001|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 16:56, 10 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Or,on the other hand, make unilateral controversial changes.  --[[User:palmd001|PalMD]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:palmd001|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 16:58, 10 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This seems like a slightly bizarre comment.  Yes, I suppose it is accurate as far as it goes, but what's the point?  Why stop there?  Why not also add that it does not protect against the common cold, pneumonia, leukaemia, ingrowing toenails and being run over by a bus? It's a vaccine against HPV, not all STDs. [[User:Chrysogonus|Chrysogonus]] 17:14, 10 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Because that doesn't assist the ideological bent of said statement.--[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 11:33, 11 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The reason is that they do not want to think that it is a vaccine that prevents all STDs and should use whatever protection they choose to use. It's saying that it does not guarantee &amp;quot;safe sex.&amp;quot; [[User:Midnus|Midnus]] &lt;br /&gt;
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This article should be moved to &amp;quot;Gardasil,&amp;quot; since most of it refers specifically to that vaccine. Gardasil and HPV Vaccine might be synonymous now, but they won't be when/if Cervarix is approved.--[[User:All Fish Welcome|All Fish Welcome]] 17:04, 14 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Liberal bias and some uncritical repetitions of vaccine manufacturer claims were reverted.  Abstinence protects against this disease at no cost, and there is no reason to believe the self-interested claims by the manufacturer about safety and efficacy of the vaccine, particularly when researchers themselves have expressed criticisms of attempts to make it mandatory.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 01:19, 28 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Is it reasonable to expect that all teenagers will abstain from sex until marriage? --&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0000CC&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;Comic Sans MS&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:Hojimachong|'''Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ''']]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;00FFAA&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:22, 28 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Furthermore, the researchers criticized making it mandatory, they didn't criticize any of the other claims. At minimum, those claims should be acknowledged. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 01:25, 28 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The claims about the safety and efficacy of the vaccine aren't being made exclusively by the manufacturer.  They're being made by the CDC, New England Journal of Medicine, and the Journal of the American Medical Association.  These are peer-reviewed publications, and can't just be hand-waved away as &amp;quot;liberal bias.&amp;quot;  It seems to me, Andy, that anything you disagree with automatically becomes liberal bias.  There is only one link to information directly from the manufacturer in the article, and that is to point to the manufacturer's packaging insert.  It is not used to back up any of the claims about efficacy or safety.  [[User:JohnSmith|JohnSmith]] 01:54, 28 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::If we are going to change ''In June 2006, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first HPV vaccine based on observance of elevated [[antibody]] levels in a double blind clinical trial involving over 20,000 subjects.'' &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;CDC - Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus Vaccine Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5602a1.htm]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; to ''In June 2006, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first HPV vaccine based on observance of elevated [[antibody]] levels in a few thousand patients who had received the vaccine (including perhaps only a few hundred or less young girls).'', then we need a reference for the latter.  I don't yet have any opinion one way or another on which statement is more accurate, I just want to be able to read the sources.--[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 21:56, 30 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The term &amp;quot;sexually active&amp;quot; is [[liberal]] bias.  Sexual activity within marriage is at ZERO risk of contracting disease; sexual activity outside of marriage is at high risk.    {zero risk by virtue of simply being married? um....... no. it severly lowers the risk, however simply getting married does not magically erase any chance of spreading anything to your wife or husband} - [[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 15:53, 26 September 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:This is true ONLY if both partners are and have always been monogamous to that partner ONLY.  What are the chances?  Considering a 50% divorce rate in this country (with much remarriage), and the amount of cheating that goes on within marriage (even among &amp;quot;Christians&amp;quot;), it would be foolish for a woman to NOT get the vaccine.  Even if she were pure as the driven snow, she has to hope that her partner was and always will be as well.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the 20,000 figure is meaningless because the monitoring was so brief.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:50, 4 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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SSchultz, you're pushing your limits here.  You deleted important info (like the lack of epidemological studies and lack of protection against other STDs) and inserted numbers that lack any significance due to the brief monitoring.  Go to Wikipedia with the liberal bias, please.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:59, 4 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I explicitly stated that the monitoring period wasn't long enough to detect cervical cancer, but what about the fact that the vaccine prevented precancerous lesions?  That is important information.  I'll leave out the 20,000 number, though.  [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 00:04, 5 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Andy, I kept everything in that you asked, and merely added information about the prevention of precancerous lesions.  What's the story here?  It's as if you want this article to claim that the vaccine is ineffective.  [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 00:13, 5 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: We can pick this up more tomorrow.  The entry should remain factual without misleading claims.  The vaccine's effect may be short-lived, for example, as monitoring seems to have been intentionally brief.  Also, it appeared to me that you kept deleting the reference to a lack of epidemiological studies.  See you tomorrow.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 00:22, 5 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Schultz, I love ya but you have to remember that CP is not Wikipedia. We don't tolerate suppression of information merely on the grounds that it &amp;quot;advances a POV&amp;quot;. Please work with us - not against us - to present both sides of the [[HPV vaccine controversy]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 10:07, 5 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Or maybe we could tuck it away somewhere and work on it for a week until it's ready. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 10:20, 5 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The MSNBC source contradicts the line that says the pain causes fainting, MSNBC  says &amp;quot;it’s not clear whether the pain of the cervical cancer vaccine was the reason for the reaction [fainting].&amp;quot; [[User:Midnus|Midnus]]&lt;br /&gt;
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''Time'' says one thing, but they are liberal and they often mix news and editorials together. We need an article on the most prevalent [[venereal diseases]]: broken down perhaps by America vs. rest of the world. I had also heard that [[chlamydia]] was the most common. Who says it's [[HPV]]? Time, or Atlanta CDC? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:11, 5 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Speaking of that, there is an article [http://www.ama.com.au/web.nsf/doc/WEEN-5NG4JQ here] that notes that &amp;quot;eighty per cent of the 466,000 cases diagnosed globally each year occur in developing countries where it is the leading cause of cancer-related deaths among women.&amp;quot; So HPV is ''much'' less prevalent in the U.S. and [[First World]] countries than the [[liberal hysteria]] of the media would have us believe. [[User:ThomasB|ThomasB]] 12:18, 5 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::But is is still very common relative to other cancers.  The reason that the rate of cervical cancer is so much lower in western countries is that there is wide-spread screening and treatment of precancerous lesions.  Most cancers are caught BEFORE they become invasive and lethal. But some still get missed or are more virulent, and many women don't get screened because they can't afford it.  PAP smears and colposcopy and LEEP procedures are not cheap. I've had to take of twenty and thirty year old patients dying from cervical cancer.  It's horrible.  And to think that their deaths could have been prevented by a vaccine.......[[User:ukie|ukie]] 12 October 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Thanks for another excellent observation, ThomasB.  By the way, often vaccine manufacturers get big tax write-offs by dumping their stale or defective vaccine products on the Third World.  Recently the vaccine caused a tragic epidemic of polio in one African country.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:19, 5 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Careful what you write, please, Aschafly. The vaccine that caused the (small, local) epidemic of polio was a polio vaccine one which contained a rare mutation in the attenuated polio virus&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7037462.stm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. Nothing at all to do with HPV or with &amp;quot;dumping&amp;quot; &amp;quot;defective&amp;quot; vaccines. Loose talk about vaccines can cost lives by creating ill-founded hysteria. [[User:KennyMac|KennyMac]] 18:22, 12 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: Your comment confirms rather than rebuts what I said.  By the way, all the &amp;quot;hysteria&amp;quot; seems to be in favor of duping people into taking shoddy products.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:04, 12 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The statement by the CDC that the injection commonly causes soreness at the injection site is meaningless, and almost comical.  Unless there is a good reason for including such an obviously meaningless statement, let's remove it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 09:38, 29 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: I felt that the CDC statement validated and quantified the anecdotal evidence from the news story - it showed that it was not just a few silly high school girls saying &amp;quot;ooohhhh, that hurt!&amp;quot; to a newspaper reporter, but rather that it was a widespread and well-documented reaction to the vaccine.  I'm not sure I understand your objection?  At first I thought you thought the whole paragraph was not worthy of inclusion (which I could see both sides of), but since you've just removed the CDC part, I realize I don't understand your objection.  How is it meaningless?  Please understand - I'm not criticizing your opinion - just trying to understand it.  I can be a bit ditsy at times - blonde, actually! - so sometimes I don't get the obvious unless it's spelled out to me. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 22:19, 30 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Most injections cause soreness at the injection site, so the CDC statement obscures the dangers of this particular vaccine by making an obvious and meaningless statement.  It would be as though an entry on a breed of dangerous pitbulls admitted only the obvious truth that &amp;quot;the most common encounter with this breed of pitbull is a harmless one!&amp;quot;--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 22:23, 30 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Good analogy. I'll remove the rest of the paragraph. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 23:03, 30 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: Your reasoning does not follow at all.  A news story explaining that the Gardasil vaccine hurts more than others is obviously still relevant.  In the pitbull example, would you delete a statement explaining how a bite by a pitbull is typically more painful than a bite by other dogs?  I hope not.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 23:08, 30 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Seeing as people are more likely to search &amp;quot;Gardasil&amp;quot;, could the article name be changed to that? [[User:JY23|JY23]] 21:47, 24 October 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Think so?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:10, 10 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Abstinence and HPV==&lt;br /&gt;
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How does abstinence provide '''100% protection''' against HPV? [[User:TheGuy|TheGuy]] 22:25, 10 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: &amp;quot;TheGuy&amp;quot;, I'll humbly try to answer your question.  HPV is transmitted virtually only by sex.  Abstinence is the absence of sex.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Let's try this logically.  A is caused only by B.  &amp;quot;NOT B&amp;quot; cannot cause A.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:10, 10 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wife abstains from sex until marriage, according to the article there is no possible way she can contract HPV.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Is the wife's abstinence providing her with 100% protection? [[User:TheGuy|TheGuy]] 23:37, 10 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: The wife in your rare, obscure hypothetical did not remain abstinent.  Abstinence does provide 100% protection against HPV, exactly as the entry states.&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Nice try in obscuring the advantage of abstinence, but it fails.  Try logic next time.  Godspeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:45, 10 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::How did the wife not remain abstinent? Are you meaning to say that in this case abstinence means to never have sexual relations? [[User:TheGuy|TheGuy]] 23:47, 10 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::: &amp;quot;TheGuy&amp;quot;, find a dictionary, and use it.  Look up the word [[abstinence]].  But most importantly, when you are proven wrong, be honest enough to admit it, so you can then grow.  Godspeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:09, 11 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::: TheGuy, your metaphor does not make sense. 'He dates wife for a number of years'. So is she actually his wife? Have they been married and entered into a sexual relationship? Your example is so confused nothing can be made of it. Abstinence means to refrain from having sex. Therefore, there is so chance of contracting an STD. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 11:56, 11 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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If I may point out, HPV can be transmitted during child birth from mother to child.--[[User:Able806|Able806]] 09:54, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Then vaccinate every child ''in utero''???  Your statement lacks a relevant point.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:10, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I assume that the point is that abstinence won't save the child from contracting HPV. [[User:AndyJM|AndyJM]] 10:27, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: The liberal comments just get wackier and wackier.  Guys, welcome logic and truth.  For own sake, if you don't care about its beneficial effect on those around you.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:37, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Andy, that hardly addresses the point raised. The claim is that abstinence is 100% effective against HPV. If a mother can pass it onto her child then lifelong abstinence failed to protect that child from HPV. Hence the claim cannot be true. See [[counterexample]] for an explanation of the logic here. [[User:AndyJM|AndyJM]] 10:43, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: No, AndyJM, you're wrong.  A lack of abstinence caused that infection also.  The entry is correct, and you're on a fool's errand in trying to deny it.  Would you deny that 2+2=4 also, if liberals told you to?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:01, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Um, if the parents had been abstinate, how would they have had the kid in the first place? [[User:ChrisR|ChrisR]] 11:58, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::: Would I deny that 2+2=4 if liberals told me to? I'm flabbergasted by that response to be honest. I have no idea how to respond to or desire to reply to that sort of rhetoric. [[User:AndyJM|AndyJM]] 11:08, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Why question the analogy rather than consider the point it is intended to make? Abstinence is still the answer to preventing infection: for the child to be safe, the parents need to be abstinent. Abstinence is a trans-generational safeguard, and ''all'' need to play their part. [[User:MikeSalter|MikeSalter]] 11:25, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: MikeSalter, when you explain it like that it all becomes clear. I will concede that I was completely wrong. Andy and MikeSalter, well played sirs. [[User:AndyJM|AndyJM]] 11:30, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::The key insight that you were missing was that in order to be sure of never contracting HPV, it is insufficient to personally refrain from sex over your entire lifetime. To be completely safe, you must also ensure that none of your ancestors have ever had sex either.--[[User:Brossa|Brossa]] 12:00, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::This is a serious discussion and facile remarks like Brossa's have no place here. [[User:MikeSalter|MikeSalter]] 12:14, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I am sorry if my point was taken out of context, but HPV has other routes of transmission.  Even with abstinence, one may still become infected through any of the other routes.  I would agree that abstinence is a good preventive and while good, it does not provide 100% protection, but neither does Gardasil.--[[User:Able806|Able806]] 12:13, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:But none the less, abstinence is still better than the vaccine. No costs, no unwanted side effects. These factors would also have the feedback effect of encouraging abstinence in those who previously may not have considered it; so there is a bonus for both the individual and general morality in society. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 13:04, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::This thread has gone on some tangents, so it's worth recapping the sensible points that were made more clearly.  Abstinence and being faithful in marriage are the best ways to avoid contracting an STD, period.  Unfortunately, people lie and cheat, and it's little comfort knowing you did the right thing when you find out your spouse did not.  Many good, virtuous people find themselves not just the victim of adultery when a spouse cheats or lies about their past, but also the recipient of STDs through no fault of their own.  A vaccine against a single, common STD is not a license to be promiscuous - herpes and HIV make that point clear - but it is sensible insurance against finding yourself with a cancer-causing disease through no fault of your own.  Passing on that insurance because you expect nothing to go wrong in your life is like passing on auto insurance because you're a safe, responsible driver - and forgetting that ''the other guy'' can cause accidents, too.  --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 20:41, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just a comment as I pop in, but I think the anti-abstinence arguments being made here are 100%, Grade A stupid. &amp;quot;The husband didn't practice abstinence, so the abstinent wife wasn't 100% protected from HPV.&amp;quot;  &amp;quot;The mother wasn't abstinent, so her 'abstinent' newborn wasn't 100% protected from HPV.&amp;quot; Really? I mean, really? That's the sort of illogic you guys are sticking with? That's like saying, &amp;quot;Well, the first driver was wearing his seatbelt, but the other driver wasn't and he killed the first driver when he was thrown through both windshields. Thus, seat belts don't save lives!&amp;quot; [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 15:49, 14 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Perhaps you're an abstinence-denier, Jinxmchue.  That's someone who won't admit -- and certainly won't teach others -- that abstinence is the cheapest, safest and most effective way to remain free of STDs and to preserve one's fertility.  There's no logical denial of this fact, yet you'll see abstinence deniers all over the place, particularly in positions of authority in [[public schools]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:00, 14 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Andy, I think Jinxmchue was actually arguing ''for'' abstinence. He was ridiculing the anti-abstinence arguments. &lt;br /&gt;
::Jinxmchue, you seem to have missed DinsdaleP's point which is one I agree with: Although abstinence is '''by far''' the cheapest, safest, and most effective way to avoid STDs, it cannot be said that it prevents STDs ''100%'' of the time -- even if based on rare example such as the one mentioned. [[User:SJames|SJames]] 23:28, 14 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I guess I do not understand the issue here.  Abstinence will help prevent the spread of HPV, however there are situations where the potential to become infected by HIV can occur, intercourse with an infected individual (be it a spouse who is unaware), mucus membrane contact (yes, HPV has been isolated from under the finger nails, skin and other areas of people) and child birth transmission.  With that said why does it hurt to have an extra layer of protection through the use of the vaccine when all that I listed above as modes of infection are possible in a normal everyday innocent life?  I would like my children to abstain from intercourse until marriage; however I wish to protect them even if they make a mistake and potentially expose themselves to this virus (just as I would with HIV, Herpes, ect).--[[User:Able806|Able806]] 16:16, 14 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree that abstinence is the best way to avoid getting an STD, but even women committed to abstinence until marriage might have valid reasons for wanting this vaccination.  Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. [http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm]  The same source estimates the occurrence of sexually transmitted diseases resulting from rape range from 3.6% to 30%.  Given the high-end probability that an attacker has a 1-in-3 chance of carrying an STD, it's entirely sensible for a woman to choose a one-time vaccination against a common STD, simply for the peace of mind in knowing that she'd then have some protection against that disease if she ever were to be sexually assaulted. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 20:23, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Do the math on your scenario and I'm confident you'll find that risk to be less than the risk of being struck and killed by lightning.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:51, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Does that make one foolish for investing in a lightning rod then?  Using the same sources and the 1-in-3 chance, the odds of an individual woman being raped and contracting an STD from the incident in any given year is (thankfully) 0.024%.  However, to draw on the infidelity issue raised above, here are some more likely statistics.  Let's start with stats from the Associated Press showing that 22% of men and 14% of women were unfaithful during their marriages.  That's almost a 1-in-4 chance for the average married woman to be cheated on. I don't have a correlated stat to show what percent of the cheaters passed on an STD to their unknowing spouse.  However, 46% of sexually active Americans (which includes these cheaters, obviously) have an STD, (typically one of the low-risk HPV strains that Gardasil does not protect against).  The issue is, is it worth rolling the dice on your heath when a vaccine is available?  I've repeatedly stated that abstinence is best - it's just important to acknowledge that there is a viable benefit to this vaccine for moral people concerned about factors beyond their control. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 22:42, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::According to [http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/medical.htm the NOAA], the odds of an individual in the U.S. being struck by lightning in a lifetime are 1/6250, versus a 1/6 chance of women in the U.S. being victims of rape (14.8% of women are victims of completed sexual assault and 2.8% were victims of attempted rape) at some point in their lives, per [http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims these numbers].  Even if we assume only 3.6% of rapists carry an STD, that still leaves a 0.6% chance of a woman being exposed to an STD through no fault of their own versus 0.016% of people being struck by lightning (and that's not even taking into account that half of that number would likely be men). [[User:KevinS|KevinS]] 22:46, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Your data are from a one-sided source that combines rape with attempted rape, a misleading statistical trick (which is it, rape or not?).  The same source claims that 3% of men are raped, which is absurd.&lt;br /&gt;
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::: The vaccine protects against only a tiny percentage of STDs, and you haven't factored that in either.  When you do an objective analysis, you'll see that the risk of being struck by lightning is higher, which is hardly a risk anyone incurs costs and risks adverse effects to avoid.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:08, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::For the record, Aschlafly, I wanted to point out where I'm agreeing with you on this topic (in case you think all my comments are knee-jerk rebuttals):&lt;br /&gt;
:::::*Abstinence is the best means of preventing STDs, period.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::*Vaccines should not be made mandatory when their long-term effects are unknown, and they do not address high-risk, highly-contagious diseases like smallpox where the long-term risk is worth it.&lt;br /&gt;
::::That said, it would be helpful to acknowledge that there are circumstances where one can do all the right things and still be exposed to STDs because of the actions of others (i.e. infidelity, assault).  Each person has to decide what the likelihood of that is, and if they choose ''voluntary'' vaccination they shouldn't be regarded as more likely to be promiscuous because of that choice.  &lt;br /&gt;
::::Finally, the statistic you claimed to be absurd is that 3% of men are raped is not absurd at all, it's a matter of understanding that most of these assaults happened when they were young boys, not adults.  The fact that prison rape occurs has to be considered as well.  Here are some details behind the number[http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&amp;amp;DocumentID=32361]:&lt;br /&gt;
:::::*About 3% of American men – a total of 2.78 million men – have experienced a rape '''at some point in their lifetime'''&lt;br /&gt;
:::::*In 2003, one in every ten rape victims was male. While there are no reliable annual surveys of sexual assaults on children, the Justice Department has estimated that one of six victims are under age 12 (National Crime Victimization Study, 2003).&lt;br /&gt;
:::::*71% of male victims were first raped '''before their 18th birthday'''; 16.6% were 18-24 years old, and 12.3% were 25 or older (Tjaden &amp;amp; Thoennes, 2006).&lt;br /&gt;
:::::*22% of male inmates have been raped at least once during their incarceration; roughly 420,000 prisoners each year (Human Rights Watch, 2001).&lt;br /&gt;
::::I'll move on to other topics, so feel free to have the last word on this.  --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 10:23, 14 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: It would be perfectly simple to decrease drastically the number of rapes (and thus eliminate almost completely the need for vaccinations, assuming abstinence is practised) if some of the measures advocated on this site were implemented nationwide. For example, if gun control were relaxed and more people carried firearms, I daresay your average rapist would feel less confident about his ability to successfully overpower his victim. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 15:01, 14 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::That might help if life were simple and ideal, but in reality many rape victims are minors, and the source above mentions over 400,000 cases of prison rape annually.  Arming the first group is not a good idea, and the second group goes without saying.  --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 15:10, 14 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::But as ASchlafly pointed out, your statistics are one-sided and as such untrustworthy. Can you trust a prisoners word? I have no doubt that prisoners routinely accuse each other of rape either as a sick joke or merely to get back at someone they dislike. As for the 'fact' that many rape victims are minors, are you suggesting that this potentially dangerous vaccine be given to seven year olds? Perhaps five year olds? Besides, as the number of rapes decrease due to the increased defensive capabilities of potential victims,the police will have more resources to investigate and capture the fewer rapists. And as such, the number of rapists, either guessing that the jig is up or being arrested after a successful investigation, will decrease, and thus the number of rapes will decrease too. It is a classic example of positive feedback. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 15:26, 14 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I promised to cut my comments off on this here, so I'd be glad to continue this on my talk page.  Thx.  --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 15:55, 14 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I won't change that section again, but how is it valid to claim the vaccine is associated with death and paralysis by citing single source which explicitly says that the vaccine was not the cause of the girl's paralysis?  If it can be shown by another source then that's fine, but this one contradicts the point, and I haven't send any other cases of established vaccine-related deaths or paralysis.  I'm not taking Gardasil safety lightly, btw - a close relative is considering getting this vaccine and I've been reading up on it accordingly. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 21:43, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: The article does not take the position that you claim.  Quite the contrary, the very point of the article is to report on the connection.  The lead includes, &amp;quot;Her mother Cheryl believes that her daughter's mystery illness is directly related to the vaccine ....&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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: Merck's own package insert admits, I think, that it causes severe reactions including death.  Its effects on fertility and whether it causes cancer, which are longer-term effects, are unknown.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:50, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::&amp;quot;Her mother believes&amp;quot; in an association in her mind, but that didn't make it real and the facts stated in the same article bore that out.  Some people sincerely believe in UFO's, but if you had an article that said &amp;quot;Mary believes she saw a UFO over New York City&amp;quot; followed by &amp;quot;...but she was proven to be mistaken by credible experts&amp;quot;, it would be wrong to say that UFO's were seen over NYC.  --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 22:47, 13 January 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Harm Exceeds Benefit?==&lt;br /&gt;
The harm exceeds benefit assertion is without merit. The ‘few strains’ as you put it are responsible for most of the cervical cancer cases. Quoting a WND article concerning public health is beyond reprehensible; I’d like to think a serious encyclopedia could do better. By the way, the journal associated with this study, The Journal of Infectious Diseases, is publically available and it’ll be posted on-line in the future.--[[User:NormaN|NormaN]] 15:13, 21 June 2013 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;The '''HPV vaccine''' exists as 2 products, Gardasil (marketed by [[Merck]] and protecting against types 6, 11, 16 and 18 of the [[HPV|human papillomavirus]]) and Cervarix (marketed by GlaxoSmithKline and protecting against types 16 and 18 only).&lt;br /&gt;
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Genital warts are most commonly associated with HPV–6 and HPV–11. HPV types 16 and 18 together are found in about 70 percent of cervical cancers. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;National Cancer Institute:  Human Papillomaviruses and Cancer: Questions and Answers [http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/HPV]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Only about 3% of women are infected by these four types of HPV (Types 6, 11, 16, 18) targeted by the vaccine.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;JAMA&amp;quot;&amp;gt;This was confirmed by a study published February 28, 2007 in the Journal of the American Medical Association, JAMA 297(8):813-819, February 28, 2007.  &amp;quot;HPV vaccine types 6 and 11 (low-risk types) and 16 and 18 (high-risk types) were detected in 3.4% of female participants ....&amp;quot;[http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/297/8/813]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  The vaccine is very expensive and has been associated with severe adverse reactions, including paralysis.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/3758983/Schoolgirl-12-paralysed-after-receiving-cervical-cancer-jab.html 12-year-old paralyzed]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The HPV vaccine does not protect against other sexually transmitted diseases (e.g., [[chlamydia]], [[herpes]], [[hepatitis]], [[trichomoniasis]], [[gonorrhea]], [[syphilis]], [[HIV]], [[AIDS]], etc.), and the vaccine is not recommended for use in pregnant women or girls.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Gardasil had three times the number of Emergency Room visits [than associated with the meningitis vaccine] - more than 5,000. Reports of side effects were up to 30 times higher with Gardasil.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/06/eveningnews/main4781658.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4781658&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In a remarkable move, a researcher for the HPV vaccine declared, &amp;quot;Public Should Receive More Complete Warnings&amp;quot;:&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/19/cbsnews_investigates/main5253431.shtml&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Dr. Diane Harper says young girls and their parents should receive more complete warnings before receiving the vaccine to prevent cervical cancer. ... It’s highly unusual for a researcher to publicly criticize a medicine or vaccine she helped get approved.  Dr. Harper joins a number of consumer watchdogs, vaccine safety advocates, and parents who question the vaccine’s risk-versus-benefit profile. She says data available for Gardasil shows that it lasts five years; there is no data showing that it remains effective beyond five years.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Side Effects and Adverse Reactions==&lt;br /&gt;
As of May 1, 2009, there have been 13,758 adverse reactions occurring after administration of the HPV vaccine, including 39 deaths, reported to the CDC since the FDA approval on June 8 2006.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;CDC:  Reports of Adverse Events Following Gardasil® Vaccination [http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaers/gardasil.htm]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  Of the the 39 deaths, 26 were confirmed; the CDC claims that none of these were caused by the vaccine. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;CDC:  Reports of Adverse Events Following Gardasil® Vaccination [http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaers/gardasil.htm]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition to the above referenced injuries and deaths, many girls who receive the HPV vaccine say that it is the most painful of all injections they get, and that the vaccine itself burns, unlike the &amp;quot;other shots [that] tend to hurt only at the moment of the needle stick, and not after the vaccine plunges in.&amp;quot; Many girls have passed out from the pain.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;MSNBC:  Some girls fainting after receiving HPV vaccine Gardasil gaining reputation as most painful of childhood shots, experts say [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22492557/]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The FDA approved this HPV vaccine without reviewing any epidemiological studies, and after monitoring for only a brief period elevated [[antibody]] levels in recipients of the vaccine.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5602a1.htm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  No tests were done, for example, to see if the vaccine causes cancer or birth defects in rats, though such tests would be easy for the FDA to require, if it weren't for the possibility that it might cause disapproval of the vaccine.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The long-term consequences of the HPV vaccine are not known. Children in the 9-year-old age group have been monitored for only 18 months, and there have been no studies of possible longer-term risks of the vaccine, such as [[infertility]], [[cancer]], or [[autism]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Effectiveness==&lt;br /&gt;
The HPV vaccine is being promoted as protection against cervical cancer, but Merck itself does not ensure protection in its package insert.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/g/gardasil/gardasil_pi.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  Rather, this claim is based on research showing that 70% of cervical cancer cases also have prevalence of these four strains of HPV.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/HPV&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  Cervical cancer has already been quickly declining in the United States ''without'' the vaccine.&lt;br /&gt;
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Merck sells Gardasil for $360 ($120 per shot in a three-shot series). Adding administrative costs, the overall cost to the public is $400-500 per child vaccinated. Doing the math, the cost of vaccinating 100 children will be at least $40,000, but only 3 out of that 100 will ever be exposed to the HPV types targeted by the vaccine.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;JAMA&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The average age of diagnosis of cervical cancer is 48 years old. Accordingly, the effective cost is $13,000 per child to possibly protect her against a cancer over 30 years in the future. But the vaccine is not known to be effective for more than five years; most new vaccines are not effective any longer than that.&lt;br /&gt;
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An effective means of protection against the same disease is freely available, and it is [[abstinence]]. The National Cancer Institute notes that &amp;quot;The surest way to eliminate risk for genital HPV infection is to refrain from any genital contact with another individual.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;National Cancer Institute:  Human Papillomaviruses and Cancer: Questions and Answers [http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/HPV]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &lt;br /&gt;
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Routine pap smears are an inexpensive and easy way to detect cervical cancer early so that it can be treated.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;MayoClinic.com:  Pap smear: Screening test for cervical cancer: Understand the importance of the Pap smear, including how it's done, what it means when it's abnormal and why it needs to be part of your regular health checkups. [http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/pap-smear/HQ01177]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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A new study looking at the prevalence of human papillomavirus (HPV) infections in girls and women before and after the introduction of the HPV vaccine shows a significant reduction in vaccine-type HPV in U.S. teens. The study, published in [the June issue of] The Journal of Infectious Diseases  reveals that since the vaccine was introduced in 2006, vaccine-type HPV prevalence decreased 56 percent among female teenagers 14-19 years of age. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2013/p0619-hpv-vaccinations.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mandatory Vaccination==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Association of American Physicians and Surgeons]], the Texas Medical Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics have not supported making this vaccine mandatory.&lt;br /&gt;
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Dr. Jon Abramson, a member of the [[CDC]]'s [[Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices]], said to the Washington Times that &amp;quot;I told Merck my personal opinion that it shouldn't be mandated. And they heard it from other committee members.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=40432&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Parents can best decide whether to give this unproven vaccine to their own children, most of whom are never likely to benefit from it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Merck has succeeded in having its HPV Vaccine added to the &amp;quot;list of required vaccinations for immigrants applying to become citizens,&amp;quot; thereby forcing immigrants to pay for and receive this vaccine.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/15/immigrant-gardasil/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*[http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaers/gardasil.htm CDC Warning]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://truthaboutgardasil.org/ The Truth about Gardasil website]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://healthwyze.org/index.php/the-lead-vaccine-developer-comes-clean-so-she-can-qsleep-at-nightq-gardasil-and-cervarix-dont-work-are-dangerous-and-werent-tested.html Lead researcher Dr. Diane Harper publicly claims that Gardasil and Cervarix don't work] &lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.judicialwatch.org/gardasil Judicial Watch Investigates Side-Effects of HPV Vaccine]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2z6RK2uTWc Gardasil - The Damage is Done: From A Best Friend's View, YouTube video]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.nvic.org/ National Vaccine Information Center]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''HPV''' is short for the &amp;quot;human papillomavirus&amp;quot;, which is a family of viruses that infect epithelial tissues such as the skin and mucosa.  There are over 200 known strains of the virus, roughly 40 of which are known to be sexually transmitted.  The sexually transmitted strains of the virus fall into two broad categories, &amp;quot;high risk&amp;quot; strains and &amp;quot;low risk&amp;quot; strains.  Most infections, with any strain, are asymptomatic but infected persons may still be contagious until the infection clears--usually around two years post-infection.&lt;br /&gt;
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Symptomatic infection with &amp;quot;low risk&amp;quot; sexually transmitted strains usually manifests as condylomata acuminata (genital warts), most commonly found on the vulva or the anus.  Warts can also occur inside the vagina or (very rarely) inside the uterus in women.  Men commonly develop warts within the urethra, however such cases are unlikely to be discovered unless the warts lead to sexual dysfunction or painful urination.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chronic infection with &amp;quot;high risk&amp;quot; strains may lead to the development of cervical, anal, or penile cancer.  Because these cancers take many years to develop (and can have many other causes), regular screening for cervical cancer is advisable even for women who consider themselves to be within a low risk population.&lt;br /&gt;
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HPV is the most prevalent sexually transmitted disease.  Population studies testing for the presence of antibodies against viral proteins suggest that around 75% of American women will be infected with at least one sexually transmitted strain of the virus at some point in their lives.  These numbers are surprisingly consistent across all demographics examined.&lt;br /&gt;
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==HPV Vaccine==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Merck]] has developed a [[vaccine]] against the four most prevalent sexually transmitted strains of HPV; see [[Gardasil]].  [[GlaxoSmithKline]] later released its own vaccine, Cervarix, which protects against the two most prevalent high risk strains.  Both vaccines are manufactured using recombinant viral capsid proteins.&lt;br /&gt;
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A new study looking at the prevalence of human papillomavirus (HPV) infections in girls and women before and after the introduction of the HPV vaccine shows a significant reduction in vaccine-type HPV in U.S. teens. The study, published in [the June issue of] The Journal of Infectious Diseases  reveals that since the vaccine was introduced in 2006, vaccine-type HPV prevalence decreased 56 percent among female teenagers 14-19 years of age. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2013/p0619-hpv-vaccinations.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.htm&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2587113/?tool=pmcentrez&lt;br /&gt;
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2925431/?tool=pmcentrez&lt;br /&gt;
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[[category:Diseases]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Cancer]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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