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Talk:Video game industry

2013-03-11T21:43:04Z

NoTilt: /* They are just GAMES */

The article refers to the spring, the season of the year, not a video game; there is no video game of such a title. In the source, it's capitalized because it's the first word of the sentence, not because it's a proper noun. The source says that Grand Theft Auto IV ''went on'' to gross $500 million and became the biggest blockbuster of the spring season, not that the non-existent video game "Spring" grossed that much. This error should not be added back into the article. In Christ, [[User:Tzoran|Tzoran]] <sup>[[User talk:Tzoran|Talk]]</sup> 14:45, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

:Good catch. Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:37, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

== Concerns ==

The way this article is written, it seems to imply that "terrorism" is a "liberal value." I sincerely hope I am mistaken here. [[User:Jessica87|Jessica87]] 17:48, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

The criticism of Command and Conquer's Existance of communist ideals is not a primary concern for criticism. As much as it contains communist values, which you can see through the many Premiers there are Capitalist and American values to contradict them. Both the Communist and Capitalist characters appear as antagonist, the communist one more so than the other. The communist character of RA3 chooses to betray the player, while the American President sees fit to destroy Moscow. Equally, in Command and Conquer Generals, while you are capable of playing as a terrorist or Chinese faction, the USA also exists with many pro-American undertones. US units reiterate pro-American statements, like: "Preserving freedom." "Protecting our People." "It's the right thing to do." Therefore, I am removing Red Alert from the list.{{unsigned|Gingrich2012}}

== My Project ==

As someone who has a brother who plays video games (excessively) and someone who has researched the topic, I understand the threats and dangers of the video game industry. I just thought I would let you all know that I am going to be working on showing how bad this industry really is and how it throws morals out the window, and that I'll be editing these pages when I find the time. If only this industry had a bit more faith. [[User:Sol1221|Sol1221]] 19:19, 15 November 2010 (EST)

== Concerns ==

While I've never played Starcraft II, I somehow doubt that a game set hundreds of years in the future in a distant galaxy contains "Subtle overtones of pro-Islamic messages." If you're going to have a section like this, you really owe it to your readers to be more in-depth. You also might want to check out JonS, who added most of those "examples." --[[User:DrewJ|DrewJ]] 16:00, 30 November 2010 (EST)

==They are just GAMES==

Are you going to be mad at your kid if he choices to be the 'robber' over the 'cop'? If you are, then I think you need to rethink yourself because you cannot see that these are just GAMES, works of FICTION. Commonsense should be evident that what is done in Grand Thief Auto can't be done in real life. In fact, I'm going make a list of my own right here to wake you guys up.

First off, if your kid is playing the game then it is YOUR FAULT! You are the parent, take responciblity and watch your child. If he or she gets a new game and you don't have time to watch it. Take it away, do your homework when you can and only then if it passes your inspection do you return it.

Second, profanity in T rated games is happening just like it is in movies and TV. The word 'Crap' is appearing in kids shows on Cartoon Network. They will get hit with it sooner or later. Don't you think your 13 yo is mature enough to hear the words and understand that they shouldn't use it? If not, then maybe you should put them back in the crib.

"Meticulous designs of blood and gore (Virtually every game rated for 17+ players, but commonly sold to children younger than 13.)"
:It is called 'detail'. People put in a lot of work to make their games realisic. Just like movie makers do with their productions. The problem stated in the brackets is a problem with the sellers of the games, not the makers. I don't know of any business that I trust that sells mature rated games to kids without a photo ID or a parent with a photo ID.

(Skipping GTA because I never played it.)
"Presenting sanitized versions of other religions, but open hostility to Christianity (God of War)"
You are kidding me, right? Christianity isn't even mentioned in the game! Plus.. ITS A WORK OF FICTION! There is no Kratos in the Greek Mythos. It is all just a story and a game... wait.. are you talking about the Three Wise Men reference? WHO CARES?! Its a work of Fiction.

"Letting players get to be terrorists and perform terrorism (Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2)"
If you are talking about the multiplayer, I point back to the Cops and Robbers reference. If you are talking about the airport scene, how do you know that DOESN'T happen in real life? Besides, they included the option to skip the scene so the issue is moot.

"Depicting graphic sexual acts in hidden modes that can be unlocked by downloadable mods (Hot Coffee Mod: Grand Theft Auto San Andreas)"
I'm not talking about the game here, I'm talking about Mods in general. Um, ya. Welcome to the real world. People are going to look for ways to get games to be more graphic and perverted. That is not the developers or producers fault, that is the fault of people.

"Fornication (The Sims 3)"
Sex.. happens in the real world. We all had it, we all thought about it. I'm going to count this one liberal idea with some Conservative ones. Kids can learn the effort it takes to live int eh real world. What it takes to make enough money to get the fancy home and stuff in it while at the same time, keep the food on the table. If you don't make a budget or a plan early on, your sim is gonna die of starvation while watching his flatscreen. This is a game I would recommend.

"Typical Liberal use of deceit (God of War)"
I'm not even gonna bother with that one, just take this stare.. @.@

"Over reliance on violence than story (Gears of War)"
Ya, war is pretty violent. Mhmm. This isn't a game for just the story lovers, it is a combat game. If you want a story, play a RPG.

"Godless protagonists, religious antagonists. (Sins of a Solar Empire)"
Work... Of.. Fiction

"Promotes idolatry (Black and White)"
It.. is.. a GAME. In fact, you destroy an idol for one mission. You are taking these games too seriously. I played all of the ones that I talked about and I"m a good Christian Conservative. Do you know why? Because I know the difference between reality and fantasy.

I'm cleaning up this page. It is about the Video Game Industry. Not [[Liberalism in Video Games]]. If you happen to make a page like that, then please make a [[Conservatism in Video Games]] page to counter it. It is only fair.

(not the same user) I agree fully with this post. The point should also be made that these games are 100% fictional, and most players of video games are fully aware of this. The whole POINT is to do things you wouldn't do in real life. Any actual "liberal values" promoted in these games, and even "conservative values", are meant solely to make a better fictional plot or better gameplay, with no intent for gamers to apply these values to real life. In the cases where people do, that's more of a problem with the gamer than the game. Video games aren't meant to be political and thus shouldn't be classified as liberal or conservative. --[[User:SpenserL|SpenserL]] 15:16, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

MOST GAMES aren't meant to be political. Ironically, I see no mention of the few political ones on this page [[User:NoTilt|NoTilt]] 17:43, 11 March 2013 (EDT)

== WP copying ==

MHarris, I don't know if you in fact wrote the parts in question; if so, my apologies. One can't be too careful of this sort of thing. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 14:07, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
:I wrote most of it. I might have copied from a few sources as I was researching them but that was because they would have appeared more encyclopedic than anything I could have written. If I was given more than 4 mins, I could have put the sources down there and shown my work. While I wait for the response, I will be working on my second major post.
::I'm glad to hear that, MHarris. [[User:Jcw|Jcw]] 14:38, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

== Puritannical Propaganda ==

Yeah well,

I think Anders Breivik's playing of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is completely irrelevant to the crime in Oslo because Breivik did not decide to do the massacre at Utoya island.

Oh and by the way,
these games promote Conservative values such as patriotism, serving your country, fighting the evil Nazis, saving Europe from Nazi tyranny, honoring veterans that sacrificed everything for their country to make our world free and you want to label them as promoting liberal values of violence and murder in a game. You label them as degenerate and wish to make a witch hunt out of people that play these games.

List of video games (violent because they depict warfare.) that promote conservative values of duty, serving your country, fighting for freedom, loyally serving your country, etc.
:Operation Flashpoint (Cold War Crisis, Resistance, and Red Hammer.)
Medal of Honor: Pacific Assault
Medal of Honor: Airborne
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway
ARMA 2
Call of Duty series of games

These games promote conservative values. How could you people be so close-minded like that, to consider video games as immoral because they're violent and wish to use Breivik's playing Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 as a scapegoat against the video game industry. I sense and smell hypocrisy here on a site that claims to promote patriotism, duty to country, serving your country, and yet uses Breivik's as an example to scapegoat the video game industry. Those games I listed above promote conservative values of being devoted to your country. The Soviet parts well, still they promote patriotism and devotion to country, which you claim to do, for their country anyway.

They promote conservatism, the things you claim to stand for. You have to see behind the violence to really understand the games. Please do not alienate conservative video gamers who play games such as these that promote feeling like being a real American fighting for freedom in World War II.
Please do not lump in video games that depict people honorably fighting for their country against tyranny in with the senseless violence of Grand Theft Auto games.

Maybe you'd like to include the IL-2 Sturmovik promotes Soviet communism?
Command and Conquer Generals you could say is anti-American and depicts the American military as jingoistic if you like.

Get Real! Do not scapegoat reasonable video gamers and people that play games in with violent killers or promote your "morality" by immorally labeling murderers in real life in with video games that influenced them. Your labeling is immoral.

THAT IS WHY IT IS FANTASY! FANTASY!
::The Puritans were very much into being good stewards of time.[http://www.academicamerican.com/colonial/topics/puritannewengland.html] Judging by the high rates of youth unemployment, there are certainly young people who should spend less time on video games and more time engaging in more profitable pursuits.[http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/story/2012-07-09/Youth-unemployment-rates-surge-in-Europe/56111752/1][http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/09/4618493/128-percent-of-young-americans.html] There are also high rates of obesity among the young and video game playing is a fairly sedentary activity.[http://teens.webmd.com/news/20101109/obese-teens-at-risk-for-severe-adult-obesity] Young people need to develop their knowledge/skills and be more entrepreneurially minded. [http://business.time.com/2012/03/05/how-entrepreneurship-can-fix-young-america/] Hit the books/gym and be young entrepreneurs who start small businesses video game playing slackers! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:19, 9 July 2012 (EDT)

Video game industry

2013-03-11T21:41:00Z

NoTilt:

The '''video game industry''' is a major entertainment industry that has over $20 billion in annual sales.<ref>http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_100114.html</ref> Video game sales surpassed [[Hollywood]] revenue in the year 2007.<ref name="Video">http://seekingalpha.com/article/89124-the-video-game-industry-an-18-billion-entertainment-juggernaut</ref>

==Video Games and the Spreading of Liberal Values==

Unfortunately, the video game industry has a long history of unintentionally spreading liberal values and ideals at odds with traditional conservative values.

====Examples====
*Excessive profanity, many times to the point of being added for "shock value"
*Meticulous designs of blood and gore (Virtually every game rated for 17+ players)
** A number of high-profile games are rated M (for 17 year old players and up), but not the "virtually all," most likely not even the majority.
*Allowing players to be terrorists and perform terrorism (''Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2'')
**This level may be skipped, is not present in all versions of the game, and the player is not compelled to kill any civilian during the first half of the level one plays as a terrorist. The second half of the level does force the player to fight police as a terrorist, and this is not avoidable.
*Allowing players to have fornication with prostitutes (All ''Grand Theft Auto'' video games)
**It should be noted this is optional, as no GTA game has ever forced the player to fornicate with a prostitute as an unavoidable storyline event, but it does provide the player some other gameplay bonus with no in-game downside like a sexually transmitted disease, inadvertently encouraging the idea of unprotected sexual relations outside of marriage.
*Welcoming to more violence, such as providing bonus points for extra murders (almost every single game that provides bonus points or some other gameplay advantage for upping the player's "kill count")
*Over reliance on violence than story (''Gears of War'')
*Overtones of [[Hollywood Values]] (''Grand Theft Auto: The Ballad of Gay Tony'')
*Allowing players to gamble in [[Las Vegas]] themed casinos and borrow money from [[mafia]] bosses (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas after completing a flight school).
*Encourages radical terrorism (''Red Faction: Guerrilla'')
** It should be noted that said "terrorism" is directed against a tyrannical government based back on Earth, that is using the martian colony featured in the game as a source of raw materials. Ultimately, it has a number of parallels to the American Revolution, such as the ultimate goal being the freedom of the martian colony from Earth.
*Promotes the idea of the player being worshipped like an idol or as a deity. (''Black and White'')
*Homosexual relationships (''[[Facebook|The Ville]]'' and ''Bully'')

====Anders Breivik and ''Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2''====
[[Anders Breivik]], the Norwegian gunman and bomber who killed 77 people in a terrible massacre in Oslo on July 22, 2011, was apparently very fond of the 2009 FPS (First Person Shooter) ''Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2'' (MW2). He considered it to be his "training" for the bloody act he was going to commit. In his "manifesto," he wrote that the videogame: "... is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest. I see MW2 more as part of my training-simulation than anything else."<ref>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8663329/Norway-Anders-Behring-Breivik-used-online-war-games-as-training.html</ref>

In fact, the Utoya island massacre bears a striking resemblance to the fourth level of MW2, named ''No Russian''. In the level, the player is a U.S. soldier uncover inside a terrorist cell, where he is given the option to join the other terrorists in shooting helpless civilians in a Moscow airport during an acknowledged terrorist act (the player can elect not to shoot the civilians, but the other terrorists will kill them regardless of the player's actions). Said level is extremely graphic and gives the player (even if they choose not to shoot civilians) no option to stop the terrorists, as it would blow their cover as an undercover agent.

The game offers twice the opportunity to skip the level if the player thinks he or she will find it disturbing, but this obviously has no impact on those who enjoy simulated violence against the helpless. It would be like putting a "Don't take this if you are an alcoholic" on a liquor bottle when alcoholics are all around.

It may be speculated that Breivik was inspired by the videogame for his shooting massacre. It is extremely unlikely the game served as a "training simulator" for his later acts of murder, since target acquisition with a video game weapon and a real world weapon are two highly different things, but the themes in the game obviously appealed to his predilection for violence, and for those with preexisting desires for violent, immoral tendencies, video games (much like violent books or movies or other media) promoting themes in line with their values are very likely a negative influence on those who might later commit violent acts.

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