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		<title>Authoritarianism</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Authoritarianism is an [[ideology]] that affirms that individual rights and liberties do not matter and that the decisions of how society should be run should be left to a single [[dictator]] or a small group of elites. Authoritarianism comes in three main forms although there could be others. The three main forms of authoritarianism are [[fascism]], [[communism]], and [[religious fundamentalism]].&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Fred Phelps</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: /* Liberal Activist!??? */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Liberal Activist!???==&lt;br /&gt;
Last time I checked liberals support gay people and are secular. Calling Fred Phelps a liberal would be akin to calling Osama bin Laden a pacifist. Someone should change this --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:50, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not a leftist, he is on the extreme fringes of the religious right, he's an embarrasment to conservatives so he is called a &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot;. I can't believe how biased this website is --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:53, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps celebrated the 9/11 attacks and the more recent al-Qaeda strikes in London as the just recompense of Western decadence. He supported Saddam Hussein and has been appreciative to Fidel Castro. Phelps is probably more appropriately described in psychiatric than political terms. '''But his political roots are in the Democratic Party, having run for office in Kansas five times, and actively supported Al Gore in 1988 and 1992, whose campaign used Phelps’ family office space. Son Fred Phelps Jr., who had hosted a fund raiser for Gore, attended the 1993 Clinton-Gore inaugural.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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More careful media coverage acknowledges that Phelps’ ostensibly Baptist church is &amp;quot;unaffiliated&amp;quot; and comprised of only his family members, whose compound of houses is assembled around the church and its swimming pool used for baptisms.&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps, now age 76, has demonstrated outside the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas. He has demonstrated against conservative religious activists James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson. He has demonstrated against the Southern Baptist Convention.&lt;br /&gt;
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--&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#1E90FF&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;Comic Sans MS&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;DC143C&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Ṣρёаќǃ]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 08:41, 13 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if Phelps did support the Democrats at one time, that doesn't make him a liberal. Guiliani is a Republican and he is certainly not a Conservative (pro gay marriage, pro abortion). I'd argue that Phelps is delusional rather than liberal or conservative but I think it is terribly biased and incorrect to state that he is a leftist and a liberal. Liberals tend to be secular and pro gay marriage, Phelps does not embrace liberal values --[[User:Fredphelpsisamoron|Fredphelpsisamoron]] 16:17, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would argue that Phelps is actually a conservative. He is against gay marriage and is very religious, these are two traits of conservatives. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:44, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There is more to conservatism than ONE ISSUE. Economics, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, there are religious liberals out there. Ever heard of Jimmy Carter? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 16:45, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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True, but Jimmy Carter is only moderatly oppposed to homosexuality and believes in evolution, he is not the same hate filled bigot that Phelps is. Maybe Phelps isn't conservative, but he certainly isn't liberal either. I think saying Phelps is a leftist is POV pushing. It should be taken out. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:47, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wait, wait, wait. What does evolution have to do with it? We've had a lot of liberals tell us that we should not be politicizing science. I actually agree with that. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 16:51, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps doesn't believe in evolution and he believes in creationism. Creationism, particularly YEC is associated with conservatism. I agree that science shouldn't be politicized but creationists, especially YEC, tend to be conservative while evolutionists tend to be moderate or liberal. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:53, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==No linking to Phelps's web sites==&lt;br /&gt;
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They are not family appropriate, and Conservapedia is not a repository of hate speech. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:04, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Would it be reasonable to add the prohibition of making and linking to hate speech one of the commandments? --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 17:21, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I think that's an excellent idea. I suggest bringing it up either on Aschlafly's Talk Page or Talk:Conservapedia Commandments. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:22, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: I did not know that I shouldn't have linked to his websites.  However, could you please put into the opening paragraph that Fred Phelps' mission is against homosexuality?  As it is, this important fact is not mentioned until halfway down the page.  [[User:CEinhorn|CEinhorn]] 19:33, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Will do. In fact, I'm going to unprotect this. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 22:55, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Surely the main authority on Phelps's teachings in Phelps himself? His sites should be linked to. I suggest doing so as plain text, not a clickable link, and alongside a warning notice.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Posts not signed are ignored. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:02, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Discussion of subject==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm going to tentatively leave this in place, although it was intended to make Christians look bad by the original creator, he is a major news figure because of his funeral protests, and his actions have prompted major legislation regarding these (and he is also a major embarrassment to my home state, as well as a DEMOCRAT who actually campaigned for Al Gore in 1988 before he went on his anti-homosexual crusade).&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I drove by his &amp;quot;church&amp;quot; once and I got a physical chill once I got within two blocks of it. I felt like I was in a place of true evil. Interestingly, the ZIP codes in Topeka, where he lives, all start with 666.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:26, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just moved it because it was under &amp;quot;Fred phelps,&amp;quot; and the lack of proper capitalization was bothering me. I like to copy edit. :-p [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:29, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you looked at the original article as it was written, it contained some crude language. But thanks for working on the capitalization. It bothers me as well when articles are started like that.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:30, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree with you completely. I didn't want to bother with the article at the time, and I'm glad someone else did. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:32, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a more humorous note, [http://www.barzelay.net/files/images/other/phelps.jpg this] was taken outside of Vandy when Phelps came to visit. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw that picture for sale in a liberal store downtown once. It's so funny.&lt;br /&gt;
One of Phelps's lackeys told my friend that his hair was too long once. (I live about 25 miles from Topeka, so we get a lot of him.) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:51, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:But everyone knows, Jesus doesn't like long hair... [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::This man makes me question the First Amendment, he is just that much of a evil being.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 03:54, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know. His speech is beyond reasonable and just disgusting. I would guess that a majority of Kansans would support his execution. &lt;br /&gt;
And Colin, you may be thinking of Paul :) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:55, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know the feeling. I'm a huge believer in the importance of the First Amendment, especially free speech, but what he says is just so ridiculous it's hard to believe it's technically allowed. And MD, I was mostly referring to the fact that most men of Jesus' time had &amp;quot;longer&amp;quot; hair. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 04:03, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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That's what I thought. I don't like to judge other Christians' salvation, but I have to make an exception here for old Freddie. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 04:05, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: OK, I saw you reverted the article back after I added content about the extent of his hate speach.  There needs away for this to be stated, especially if you are going to allow the b.s. about militant homosexuals on the page.  Otherwise this article makes him come across as less insane than he is.--[[User:Jack|Jack]] 18:04, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I agree. I just don't think that the word &amp;quot;fag&amp;quot; is appropriate for an article on this site. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 20:05, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: The hate crimes against Fred Phelps section is uncited b.s. and I think it should be deleted unless someone can give any evidence beyond Phelps' own paranoia and delusional rantings.  I'm doing you a favor--Fred Phelps is not your friend. --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 11:02, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I'm also taking out the Al Gore contributions part since that isn't cited either. --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 11:04, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Liberal Edits by Jack ==&lt;br /&gt;
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please push your liberal views in an article about yourself.  This article is about Fred Phelps views, not yours. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 13:01, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Ummmm, liberal views? You say that as if it was a bad thing.  One of the commandments here is that claims need to be properly sourced.  This article is certainly making a lot of excuses regarding one of the most abhorrant men in America today.  He goes to military funerals with signs that say &amp;quot;God Hates F*gs&amp;quot;.  That is an objective, well documented fact.  However, the sysops delete it from the main page.  However, completely unsubstantiated claims by Phelps that HE is the victim of hate crimes is allowed to be left up.  --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 22:05, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The subject of an article and their public statements are reliable sources for an article.   Phelps is preaching the literal statements of the Bible.  In fact, he is at the most extreme end of the spectrum with the limits of free speech I have ever seen.   The article is about his views and him.   And he is certainly notable. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 22:16, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::RightWolf2, please stop editing the article to claim that Phelps is &amp;quot;literally following the Bible&amp;quot;, and please stop attacking Jack.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:36, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::1.  Not an attack, but a statement of my views.  2. When admins and their buddies start forming cabals to reinforce each other, free editing goes out the window.  3.  I am over 60 years old, I am a competent attorney, and I am not here to rain on anyones parade.  Just to add God's word.  4.  Your views of Phelps are &amp;quot;your views&amp;quot;.  Articles about subjects as controversial as phelps should enshrine &amp;quot;his views&amp;quot;, not everyone elses opinions. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 11:44, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Landover Baptist==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is Fred Phelps' church the inspiration for the Landover Baptist Church website that mocks Christian Extremism?--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 15:57, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Phelps, although outspoken and outlandish, is far less of a hypocrite than other Christian organizations who claim to be able to determine which verses from the Bible are literal from those that are allegorical.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow. QED. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 02:19, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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With all respect to the fact that it shouldn't be stated on an encyclopedia, Phelps probably is going to Hell. -'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 00:42, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Phelps is PRO-FAMILY, not anti-homosexual==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's a reason Dr. Dobson called his institution &amp;quot;Focus on the Family&amp;quot; and not &amp;quot;We Hate Gays&amp;quot;.  There's a reason that it's called the &amp;quot;Family Research Council&amp;quot;.  The people who oppose the homosexual agenda are PRO-FAMILY, not anti-anything.  Even the mainstream media generally recognizes this fact and ignore the moonbats (just like they ignore the moonbats when the moonbats try to label &amp;quot;PRO-lifers&amp;quot; as &amp;quot;ANTI-choicers&amp;quot;).  Even the mainstream media (which has been proven to be overwhelmingly liberal, remember) doesn't call Dr. Dobson a bigot or a homophobe.  So why shouldn't Conservapedia, which was created to espouse the CONSERVATIVE point of view, reflect what even liberals acknowledge?--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:38, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps isn't a true conservative. He says Bush is going to burn in hell. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:39, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Jeeze, conservatives aren't brainless clones who can't disagree!  I strongly disagree with Phelps on this matter, but that doesn't make him a non-conservative!  Besides, the issue isn't whether or not he's conservative, the issue is his PRO-FAMILY &amp;quot;bias&amp;quot;!--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:46, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*My reading of scripture, perhaps not as advanced as some, tells me if we keep judging, which God has said is his alone to do, we will all be burning. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:37, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with Terry, but as I've learned from much debating with christians, the argument doesn't work. They've chosen to ignore one thing the bible says in order to use another thing the bible says to achieve their goals or to justify their hate.[[User:Nsmyth|NSmyth]] 04:47, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*Well, really, in the Grand Scheme of things, it isn't important.  All of us, eventually, will face the harshest, yet most loving Judge in the Universe.  Justifications, and legal arguments won't be allowed, lol. ;-) --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:50, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You can be anti homosexual without being pro-family. The cult Phelps has developed targets and belittles families, he is truely a Bad person in every sense of the word, if he has gotten anything right it has been by way of accident [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:44, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Being anti-homosexual is not being pro-family.  It is being pro-YOUR-idea-of-family, and forcing that idea on the rest of the world.  There's a big difference.-'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:47, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not pro-family, he's pro-hate. There's a difference. His websites are not family-friendly, his sermons are not, nor are his &amp;quot;hymns&amp;quot;, and neither are his images. --[[User:Linus M.|Liπus the Turbogeek]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Linus M.|contact me]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 11:54, 7 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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What does Phelps stand for, _besides_ hating gays?  That seems to be his one schtick. And by all accounts, he psychologically and physically abused his OWN family, which doesn't sound too 'pro-family' to me.  [http://blank.org/addict/] (Court evidence--not for the weak of stomach.)  --[[User:Gulik3|Gulik3]] 07:56, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If what you say is true, then &amp;quot;pro-family&amp;quot; must oppose homosexuals becasue they asume that homosexuals are &amp;quot;anti-family&amp;quot;. That is not true, it's not the desire of homosexual people to wreck family, they just want personal freedom to have the kind of living arangement they choose. The only reason they have gathered together is because it's their common cause to get that freedom for themselves. I'm pretty certain that if they had those rights, they would leave everyone else alone. &lt;br /&gt;
Homosexuals don't suggest that everyone should be homosexual, that would be stupid, they just want the right to live their lives as they want to, not bothering anyone, and not being bothered by anyone. If God (if he exists) dislikes it it's solely up to him to judge, none of us are entitled to do that. --[[User:Atkins|Atkins]] 23:45, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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It seems that whoever said that in the first place was being a parodist. We definitely don't stand for Phelps's hate here in Kansas, or here at Conservapedia. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:50, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What the #$@% ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This page mention nothing about the sick twisted and evil nature of Fred Phelps and his family cult. I don't know how this site can call itself conservative and not utterly denounce someone who celebrates the deaths of our fighting men and women and taunts the families of our brave departed soldiers. I am disgusted that he gets off with one line of criticism. [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:41, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Opcn, I believe the principle at work here is &amp;quot;The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Friend.&amp;quot;  Which is a very long way from &amp;quot;Love thine enemies&amp;quot; but that was just some liberal claptrap from about 33 AD or so.  [[User:Teresita|Banned User Teresita]] 01:50, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps and Religion == &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;It's hard to be religious when certain people aren't incinerated by bolts of lightning.&amp;quot; -- Calvin.&lt;br /&gt;
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== disgusting liberal bias  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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this article is terribly condemning of this man. this is the same kind of p.c. bias crap that made me sick of wikipedia. mr. phelps believes in the same things we all do, so why is this article against hihm? he only believes in the things that jesus taught1!1[[User:Manifestdestiny|Manifestdestiny]] 18:42, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wrong.  At no time did Jesus ever condemn a soldier, unlike this man.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:49, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::but jesus did condemn homosexuals. [[User:Cryingeagles39|Cryingeagles39]] 12:51, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Jesus told everyone in plain terms that if they continued to sin, they would not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.  His message in the Gospels was that everyone should repent.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:06, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Exactly. Jesus never specifically mentioned homosexuality in the gospels, but he did do what Karajou mentioned, which would encompass all types of sin, including homosexuality.  [[User:DanH|DanH]] 15:20, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*I do know Jesus commanded that we not judge, or we would be.  --[[User:TK|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Sysop-&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;TK]] &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:12, 25 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== God Hates Canada ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Didn't Phelps also light a flag on fire in the middle of an airport, thus causing his arrest? [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I haven't heard about this! Do you have a link? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.holysmoke.org/hs02/phelps3.htm] is the best I can find. I was wrong, I guess. Seems he didn't actually get around to torching the flag. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:03, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nevermind... &amp;quot;When WBC members did in fact actually burn the Canadian flag in religious protest to Canada's approval of same-sex marriage, the so-called Christians of Canada were the loudest in denouncing WBC and &amp;quot;widely reviling&amp;quot; her Gospel message.&amp;quot; That's from his God Hates Canada page. Appears I was mistaken about the airport thing, though. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:09, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps And The Democratic Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone please get rid of this header at the bottom of the page? Seems a bit of a stretch to me. --[[User:Ouzo|Ouzo]] 14:35, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think we've addressed your concerns. [http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={91058469-F6DE-4615-8B2A-73CDF3E8FCAC} The &amp;quot;God Hates Fags&amp;quot; Left].  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 16:06, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Fred Phelps</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: /* Liberal Activist!??? */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Liberal Activist!???==&lt;br /&gt;
Last time I checked liberals support gay people and are secular. Calling Fred Phelps a liberal would be akin to calling Osama bin Laden a pacifist. Someone should change this --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:50, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not a leftist, he is on the extreme fringes of the religious right, he's an embarrasment to conservatives so he is called a &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot;. I can't believe how biased this website is --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:53, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps celebrated the 9/11 attacks and the more recent al-Qaeda strikes in London as the just recompense of Western decadence. He supported Saddam Hussein and has been appreciative to Fidel Castro. Phelps is probably more appropriately described in psychiatric than political terms. '''But his political roots are in the Democratic Party, having run for office in Kansas five times, and actively supported Al Gore in 1988 and 1992, whose campaign used Phelps’ family office space. Son Fred Phelps Jr., who had hosted a fund raiser for Gore, attended the 1993 Clinton-Gore inaugural.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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More careful media coverage acknowledges that Phelps’ ostensibly Baptist church is &amp;quot;unaffiliated&amp;quot; and comprised of only his family members, whose compound of houses is assembled around the church and its swimming pool used for baptisms.&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps, now age 76, has demonstrated outside the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas. He has demonstrated against conservative religious activists James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson. He has demonstrated against the Southern Baptist Convention.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if Phelps did support the Democrats at one time, that doesn't make him a liberal. Guiliani is a Republican and he is certainly not a Conservative (pro gay marriage, pro abortion). I'd argue that Phelps is delusional rather than liberal or conservative but I think it is terribly biased and incorrect to state that he is a leftist and a liberal. Liberals tend to be secular and pro gay marriage, Phelps does not embrace liberal values --[[User:Fredphelpsisamoron|Fredphelpsisamoron]] 16:17, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would argue that Phelps is actually a conservative. He is against gay marriage and is very religious, these are two traits of conservatives. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:44, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There is more to conservatism than ONE ISSUE. Economics, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, there are religious liberals out there. Ever heard of Jimmy Carter? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 16:45, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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True, but Jimmy Carter is only moderatly oppposed to homosexuality and believes in evolution, he is not the same hate filled bigot that Phelps is. Maybe Phelps isn't conservative, but he certainly isn't liberal either. I think saying Phelps is a leftist is POV pushing. It should be taken out. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:47, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wait, wait, wait. What does evolution have to do with it? We've had a lot of liberals tell us that we should not be politicizing science. I actually agree with that. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 16:51, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps doesn't believe in evolution and he believes in creationism, particularly YEC is associated with conservatism. I agree that science shouldn't be politicized but creationists, especially YEC, tend to be conservative while evolutionists tend to be moderate or liberal. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:53, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==No linking to Phelps's web sites==&lt;br /&gt;
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They are not family appropriate, and Conservapedia is not a repository of hate speech. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:04, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Would it be reasonable to add the prohibition of making and linking to hate speech one of the commandments? --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 17:21, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I think that's an excellent idea. I suggest bringing it up either on Aschlafly's Talk Page or Talk:Conservapedia Commandments. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:22, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: I did not know that I shouldn't have linked to his websites.  However, could you please put into the opening paragraph that Fred Phelps' mission is against homosexuality?  As it is, this important fact is not mentioned until halfway down the page.  [[User:CEinhorn|CEinhorn]] 19:33, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Will do. In fact, I'm going to unprotect this. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 22:55, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Surely the main authority on Phelps's teachings in Phelps himself? His sites should be linked to. I suggest doing so as plain text, not a clickable link, and alongside a warning notice.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Posts not signed are ignored. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:02, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Discussion of subject==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm going to tentatively leave this in place, although it was intended to make Christians look bad by the original creator, he is a major news figure because of his funeral protests, and his actions have prompted major legislation regarding these (and he is also a major embarrassment to my home state, as well as a DEMOCRAT who actually campaigned for Al Gore in 1988 before he went on his anti-homosexual crusade).&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I drove by his &amp;quot;church&amp;quot; once and I got a physical chill once I got within two blocks of it. I felt like I was in a place of true evil. Interestingly, the ZIP codes in Topeka, where he lives, all start with 666.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:26, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just moved it because it was under &amp;quot;Fred phelps,&amp;quot; and the lack of proper capitalization was bothering me. I like to copy edit. :-p [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:29, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you looked at the original article as it was written, it contained some crude language. But thanks for working on the capitalization. It bothers me as well when articles are started like that.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:30, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree with you completely. I didn't want to bother with the article at the time, and I'm glad someone else did. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:32, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a more humorous note, [http://www.barzelay.net/files/images/other/phelps.jpg this] was taken outside of Vandy when Phelps came to visit. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw that picture for sale in a liberal store downtown once. It's so funny.&lt;br /&gt;
One of Phelps's lackeys told my friend that his hair was too long once. (I live about 25 miles from Topeka, so we get a lot of him.) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:51, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:But everyone knows, Jesus doesn't like long hair... [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::This man makes me question the First Amendment, he is just that much of a evil being.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 03:54, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know. His speech is beyond reasonable and just disgusting. I would guess that a majority of Kansans would support his execution. &lt;br /&gt;
And Colin, you may be thinking of Paul :) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:55, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know the feeling. I'm a huge believer in the importance of the First Amendment, especially free speech, but what he says is just so ridiculous it's hard to believe it's technically allowed. And MD, I was mostly referring to the fact that most men of Jesus' time had &amp;quot;longer&amp;quot; hair. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 04:03, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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That's what I thought. I don't like to judge other Christians' salvation, but I have to make an exception here for old Freddie. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 04:05, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: OK, I saw you reverted the article back after I added content about the extent of his hate speach.  There needs away for this to be stated, especially if you are going to allow the b.s. about militant homosexuals on the page.  Otherwise this article makes him come across as less insane than he is.--[[User:Jack|Jack]] 18:04, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I agree. I just don't think that the word &amp;quot;fag&amp;quot; is appropriate for an article on this site. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 20:05, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: The hate crimes against Fred Phelps section is uncited b.s. and I think it should be deleted unless someone can give any evidence beyond Phelps' own paranoia and delusional rantings.  I'm doing you a favor--Fred Phelps is not your friend. --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 11:02, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I'm also taking out the Al Gore contributions part since that isn't cited either. --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 11:04, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Liberal Edits by Jack ==&lt;br /&gt;
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please push your liberal views in an article about yourself.  This article is about Fred Phelps views, not yours. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 13:01, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Ummmm, liberal views? You say that as if it was a bad thing.  One of the commandments here is that claims need to be properly sourced.  This article is certainly making a lot of excuses regarding one of the most abhorrant men in America today.  He goes to military funerals with signs that say &amp;quot;God Hates F*gs&amp;quot;.  That is an objective, well documented fact.  However, the sysops delete it from the main page.  However, completely unsubstantiated claims by Phelps that HE is the victim of hate crimes is allowed to be left up.  --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 22:05, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The subject of an article and their public statements are reliable sources for an article.   Phelps is preaching the literal statements of the Bible.  In fact, he is at the most extreme end of the spectrum with the limits of free speech I have ever seen.   The article is about his views and him.   And he is certainly notable. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 22:16, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::RightWolf2, please stop editing the article to claim that Phelps is &amp;quot;literally following the Bible&amp;quot;, and please stop attacking Jack.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:36, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::1.  Not an attack, but a statement of my views.  2. When admins and their buddies start forming cabals to reinforce each other, free editing goes out the window.  3.  I am over 60 years old, I am a competent attorney, and I am not here to rain on anyones parade.  Just to add God's word.  4.  Your views of Phelps are &amp;quot;your views&amp;quot;.  Articles about subjects as controversial as phelps should enshrine &amp;quot;his views&amp;quot;, not everyone elses opinions. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 11:44, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Landover Baptist==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is Fred Phelps' church the inspiration for the Landover Baptist Church website that mocks Christian Extremism?--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 15:57, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Phelps, although outspoken and outlandish, is far less of a hypocrite than other Christian organizations who claim to be able to determine which verses from the Bible are literal from those that are allegorical.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow. QED. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 02:19, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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With all respect to the fact that it shouldn't be stated on an encyclopedia, Phelps probably is going to Hell. -'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 00:42, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Phelps is PRO-FAMILY, not anti-homosexual==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's a reason Dr. Dobson called his institution &amp;quot;Focus on the Family&amp;quot; and not &amp;quot;We Hate Gays&amp;quot;.  There's a reason that it's called the &amp;quot;Family Research Council&amp;quot;.  The people who oppose the homosexual agenda are PRO-FAMILY, not anti-anything.  Even the mainstream media generally recognizes this fact and ignore the moonbats (just like they ignore the moonbats when the moonbats try to label &amp;quot;PRO-lifers&amp;quot; as &amp;quot;ANTI-choicers&amp;quot;).  Even the mainstream media (which has been proven to be overwhelmingly liberal, remember) doesn't call Dr. Dobson a bigot or a homophobe.  So why shouldn't Conservapedia, which was created to espouse the CONSERVATIVE point of view, reflect what even liberals acknowledge?--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:38, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps isn't a true conservative. He says Bush is going to burn in hell. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:39, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Jeeze, conservatives aren't brainless clones who can't disagree!  I strongly disagree with Phelps on this matter, but that doesn't make him a non-conservative!  Besides, the issue isn't whether or not he's conservative, the issue is his PRO-FAMILY &amp;quot;bias&amp;quot;!--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:46, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*My reading of scripture, perhaps not as advanced as some, tells me if we keep judging, which God has said is his alone to do, we will all be burning. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:37, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with Terry, but as I've learned from much debating with christians, the argument doesn't work. They've chosen to ignore one thing the bible says in order to use another thing the bible says to achieve their goals or to justify their hate.[[User:Nsmyth|NSmyth]] 04:47, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*Well, really, in the Grand Scheme of things, it isn't important.  All of us, eventually, will face the harshest, yet most loving Judge in the Universe.  Justifications, and legal arguments won't be allowed, lol. ;-) --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:50, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You can be anti homosexual without being pro-family. The cult Phelps has developed targets and belittles families, he is truely a Bad person in every sense of the word, if he has gotten anything right it has been by way of accident [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:44, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Being anti-homosexual is not being pro-family.  It is being pro-YOUR-idea-of-family, and forcing that idea on the rest of the world.  There's a big difference.-'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:47, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not pro-family, he's pro-hate. There's a difference. His websites are not family-friendly, his sermons are not, nor are his &amp;quot;hymns&amp;quot;, and neither are his images. --[[User:Linus M.|Liπus the Turbogeek]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Linus M.|contact me]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 11:54, 7 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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What does Phelps stand for, _besides_ hating gays?  That seems to be his one schtick. And by all accounts, he psychologically and physically abused his OWN family, which doesn't sound too 'pro-family' to me.  [http://blank.org/addict/] (Court evidence--not for the weak of stomach.)  --[[User:Gulik3|Gulik3]] 07:56, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If what you say is true, then &amp;quot;pro-family&amp;quot; must oppose homosexuals becasue they asume that homosexuals are &amp;quot;anti-family&amp;quot;. That is not true, it's not the desire of homosexual people to wreck family, they just want personal freedom to have the kind of living arangement they choose. The only reason they have gathered together is because it's their common cause to get that freedom for themselves. I'm pretty certain that if they had those rights, they would leave everyone else alone. &lt;br /&gt;
Homosexuals don't suggest that everyone should be homosexual, that would be stupid, they just want the right to live their lives as they want to, not bothering anyone, and not being bothered by anyone. If God (if he exists) dislikes it it's solely up to him to judge, none of us are entitled to do that. --[[User:Atkins|Atkins]] 23:45, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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It seems that whoever said that in the first place was being a parodist. We definitely don't stand for Phelps's hate here in Kansas, or here at Conservapedia. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:50, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What the #$@% ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This page mention nothing about the sick twisted and evil nature of Fred Phelps and his family cult. I don't know how this site can call itself conservative and not utterly denounce someone who celebrates the deaths of our fighting men and women and taunts the families of our brave departed soldiers. I am disgusted that he gets off with one line of criticism. [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:41, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Opcn, I believe the principle at work here is &amp;quot;The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Friend.&amp;quot;  Which is a very long way from &amp;quot;Love thine enemies&amp;quot; but that was just some liberal claptrap from about 33 AD or so.  [[User:Teresita|Banned User Teresita]] 01:50, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps and Religion == &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;It's hard to be religious when certain people aren't incinerated by bolts of lightning.&amp;quot; -- Calvin.&lt;br /&gt;
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== disgusting liberal bias  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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this article is terribly condemning of this man. this is the same kind of p.c. bias crap that made me sick of wikipedia. mr. phelps believes in the same things we all do, so why is this article against hihm? he only believes in the things that jesus taught1!1[[User:Manifestdestiny|Manifestdestiny]] 18:42, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wrong.  At no time did Jesus ever condemn a soldier, unlike this man.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:49, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::but jesus did condemn homosexuals. [[User:Cryingeagles39|Cryingeagles39]] 12:51, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Jesus told everyone in plain terms that if they continued to sin, they would not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.  His message in the Gospels was that everyone should repent.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:06, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Exactly. Jesus never specifically mentioned homosexuality in the gospels, but he did do what Karajou mentioned, which would encompass all types of sin, including homosexuality.  [[User:DanH|DanH]] 15:20, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*I do know Jesus commanded that we not judge, or we would be.  --[[User:TK|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Sysop-&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;TK]] &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:12, 25 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== God Hates Canada ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Didn't Phelps also light a flag on fire in the middle of an airport, thus causing his arrest? [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I haven't heard about this! Do you have a link? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.holysmoke.org/hs02/phelps3.htm] is the best I can find. I was wrong, I guess. Seems he didn't actually get around to torching the flag. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:03, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nevermind... &amp;quot;When WBC members did in fact actually burn the Canadian flag in religious protest to Canada's approval of same-sex marriage, the so-called Christians of Canada were the loudest in denouncing WBC and &amp;quot;widely reviling&amp;quot; her Gospel message.&amp;quot; That's from his God Hates Canada page. Appears I was mistaken about the airport thing, though. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:09, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps And The Democratic Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone please get rid of this header at the bottom of the page? Seems a bit of a stretch to me. --[[User:Ouzo|Ouzo]] 14:35, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think we've addressed your concerns. [http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={91058469-F6DE-4615-8B2A-73CDF3E8FCAC} The &amp;quot;God Hates Fags&amp;quot; Left].  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 16:06, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: /* Liberal Activist!??? */&lt;/p&gt;
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Last time I checked liberals support gay people and are secular. Calling Fred Phelps a liberal would be akin to calling Osama bin Laden a pacifist. Someone should change this --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:50, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not a leftist, he is on the extreme fringes of the religious right, he's an embarrasment to conservatives so he is called a &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot;. I can't believe how biased this website is --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:53, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps celebrated the 9/11 attacks and the more recent al-Qaeda strikes in London as the just recompense of Western decadence. He supported Saddam Hussein and has been appreciative to Fidel Castro. Phelps is probably more appropriately described in psychiatric than political terms. '''But his political roots are in the Democratic Party, having run for office in Kansas five times, and actively supported Al Gore in 1988 and 1992, whose campaign used Phelps’ family office space. Son Fred Phelps Jr., who had hosted a fund raiser for Gore, attended the 1993 Clinton-Gore inaugural.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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More careful media coverage acknowledges that Phelps’ ostensibly Baptist church is &amp;quot;unaffiliated&amp;quot; and comprised of only his family members, whose compound of houses is assembled around the church and its swimming pool used for baptisms.&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps, now age 76, has demonstrated outside the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas. He has demonstrated against conservative religious activists James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson. He has demonstrated against the Southern Baptist Convention.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if Phelps did support the Democrats at one time, that doesn't make him a liberal. Guiliani is a Republican and he is certainly not a Conservative (pro gay marriage, pro abortion). I'd argue that Phelps is delusional rather than liberal or conservative but I think it is terribly biased and incorrect to state that he is a leftist and a liberal. Liberals tend to be secular and pro gay marriage, Phelps does not embrace liberal values --[[User:Fredphelpsisamoron|Fredphelpsisamoron]] 16:17, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would argue that Phelps is actually a conservative. He is against gay marriage and is very religious, these are two traits of conservatives. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:44, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, there are religious liberals out there. Ever heard of Jimmy Carter? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 16:45, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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True, but Jimmy Carter is only moderatly oppposed to homosexuality and believes in evolution, he is not the same hate filled bigot that Phelps is. Maybe Phelps isn't conservative, but he certainly isn't liberal either. I think saying Phelps is a leftist is POV pushing. It should be taken out. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:47, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wait, wait, wait. What does evolution have to do with it? We've had a lot of liberals tell us that we should not be politicizing science. I actually agree with that. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 16:51, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps doesn't believe in evolution and creationism, particularly YEC is associated with conservatism. I agree that science shouldn't be politicized but creationists, especially YEC, tend to be conservative while evolutionists tend to be moderate or liberal. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:53, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==No linking to Phelps's web sites==&lt;br /&gt;
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They are not family appropriate, and Conservapedia is not a repository of hate speech. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:04, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Would it be reasonable to add the prohibition of making and linking to hate speech one of the commandments? --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 17:21, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I think that's an excellent idea. I suggest bringing it up either on Aschlafly's Talk Page or Talk:Conservapedia Commandments. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:22, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: I did not know that I shouldn't have linked to his websites.  However, could you please put into the opening paragraph that Fred Phelps' mission is against homosexuality?  As it is, this important fact is not mentioned until halfway down the page.  [[User:CEinhorn|CEinhorn]] 19:33, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Will do. In fact, I'm going to unprotect this. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 22:55, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Surely the main authority on Phelps's teachings in Phelps himself? His sites should be linked to. I suggest doing so as plain text, not a clickable link, and alongside a warning notice.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Posts not signed are ignored. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:02, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm going to tentatively leave this in place, although it was intended to make Christians look bad by the original creator, he is a major news figure because of his funeral protests, and his actions have prompted major legislation regarding these (and he is also a major embarrassment to my home state, as well as a DEMOCRAT who actually campaigned for Al Gore in 1988 before he went on his anti-homosexual crusade).&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I drove by his &amp;quot;church&amp;quot; once and I got a physical chill once I got within two blocks of it. I felt like I was in a place of true evil. Interestingly, the ZIP codes in Topeka, where he lives, all start with 666.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:26, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just moved it because it was under &amp;quot;Fred phelps,&amp;quot; and the lack of proper capitalization was bothering me. I like to copy edit. :-p [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:29, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you looked at the original article as it was written, it contained some crude language. But thanks for working on the capitalization. It bothers me as well when articles are started like that.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:30, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree with you completely. I didn't want to bother with the article at the time, and I'm glad someone else did. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:32, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a more humorous note, [http://www.barzelay.net/files/images/other/phelps.jpg this] was taken outside of Vandy when Phelps came to visit. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw that picture for sale in a liberal store downtown once. It's so funny.&lt;br /&gt;
One of Phelps's lackeys told my friend that his hair was too long once. (I live about 25 miles from Topeka, so we get a lot of him.) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:51, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:But everyone knows, Jesus doesn't like long hair... [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::This man makes me question the First Amendment, he is just that much of a evil being.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 03:54, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know. His speech is beyond reasonable and just disgusting. I would guess that a majority of Kansans would support his execution. &lt;br /&gt;
And Colin, you may be thinking of Paul :) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:55, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know the feeling. I'm a huge believer in the importance of the First Amendment, especially free speech, but what he says is just so ridiculous it's hard to believe it's technically allowed. And MD, I was mostly referring to the fact that most men of Jesus' time had &amp;quot;longer&amp;quot; hair. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 04:03, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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That's what I thought. I don't like to judge other Christians' salvation, but I have to make an exception here for old Freddie. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 04:05, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: OK, I saw you reverted the article back after I added content about the extent of his hate speach.  There needs away for this to be stated, especially if you are going to allow the b.s. about militant homosexuals on the page.  Otherwise this article makes him come across as less insane than he is.--[[User:Jack|Jack]] 18:04, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I agree. I just don't think that the word &amp;quot;fag&amp;quot; is appropriate for an article on this site. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 20:05, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: The hate crimes against Fred Phelps section is uncited b.s. and I think it should be deleted unless someone can give any evidence beyond Phelps' own paranoia and delusional rantings.  I'm doing you a favor--Fred Phelps is not your friend. --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 11:02, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I'm also taking out the Al Gore contributions part since that isn't cited either. --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 11:04, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Liberal Edits by Jack ==&lt;br /&gt;
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please push your liberal views in an article about yourself.  This article is about Fred Phelps views, not yours. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 13:01, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Ummmm, liberal views? You say that as if it was a bad thing.  One of the commandments here is that claims need to be properly sourced.  This article is certainly making a lot of excuses regarding one of the most abhorrant men in America today.  He goes to military funerals with signs that say &amp;quot;God Hates F*gs&amp;quot;.  That is an objective, well documented fact.  However, the sysops delete it from the main page.  However, completely unsubstantiated claims by Phelps that HE is the victim of hate crimes is allowed to be left up.  --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 22:05, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The subject of an article and their public statements are reliable sources for an article.   Phelps is preaching the literal statements of the Bible.  In fact, he is at the most extreme end of the spectrum with the limits of free speech I have ever seen.   The article is about his views and him.   And he is certainly notable. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 22:16, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::RightWolf2, please stop editing the article to claim that Phelps is &amp;quot;literally following the Bible&amp;quot;, and please stop attacking Jack.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:36, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::1.  Not an attack, but a statement of my views.  2. When admins and their buddies start forming cabals to reinforce each other, free editing goes out the window.  3.  I am over 60 years old, I am a competent attorney, and I am not here to rain on anyones parade.  Just to add God's word.  4.  Your views of Phelps are &amp;quot;your views&amp;quot;.  Articles about subjects as controversial as phelps should enshrine &amp;quot;his views&amp;quot;, not everyone elses opinions. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 11:44, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Landover Baptist==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is Fred Phelps' church the inspiration for the Landover Baptist Church website that mocks Christian Extremism?--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 15:57, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Phelps, although outspoken and outlandish, is far less of a hypocrite than other Christian organizations who claim to be able to determine which verses from the Bible are literal from those that are allegorical.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow. QED. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 02:19, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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With all respect to the fact that it shouldn't be stated on an encyclopedia, Phelps probably is going to Hell. -'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 00:42, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Phelps is PRO-FAMILY, not anti-homosexual==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's a reason Dr. Dobson called his institution &amp;quot;Focus on the Family&amp;quot; and not &amp;quot;We Hate Gays&amp;quot;.  There's a reason that it's called the &amp;quot;Family Research Council&amp;quot;.  The people who oppose the homosexual agenda are PRO-FAMILY, not anti-anything.  Even the mainstream media generally recognizes this fact and ignore the moonbats (just like they ignore the moonbats when the moonbats try to label &amp;quot;PRO-lifers&amp;quot; as &amp;quot;ANTI-choicers&amp;quot;).  Even the mainstream media (which has been proven to be overwhelmingly liberal, remember) doesn't call Dr. Dobson a bigot or a homophobe.  So why shouldn't Conservapedia, which was created to espouse the CONSERVATIVE point of view, reflect what even liberals acknowledge?--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:38, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps isn't a true conservative. He says Bush is going to burn in hell. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:39, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Jeeze, conservatives aren't brainless clones who can't disagree!  I strongly disagree with Phelps on this matter, but that doesn't make him a non-conservative!  Besides, the issue isn't whether or not he's conservative, the issue is his PRO-FAMILY &amp;quot;bias&amp;quot;!--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:46, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*My reading of scripture, perhaps not as advanced as some, tells me if we keep judging, which God has said is his alone to do, we will all be burning. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:37, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with Terry, but as I've learned from much debating with christians, the argument doesn't work. They've chosen to ignore one thing the bible says in order to use another thing the bible says to achieve their goals or to justify their hate.[[User:Nsmyth|NSmyth]] 04:47, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*Well, really, in the Grand Scheme of things, it isn't important.  All of us, eventually, will face the harshest, yet most loving Judge in the Universe.  Justifications, and legal arguments won't be allowed, lol. ;-) --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:50, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You can be anti homosexual without being pro-family. The cult Phelps has developed targets and belittles families, he is truely a Bad person in every sense of the word, if he has gotten anything right it has been by way of accident [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:44, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Being anti-homosexual is not being pro-family.  It is being pro-YOUR-idea-of-family, and forcing that idea on the rest of the world.  There's a big difference.-'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:47, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not pro-family, he's pro-hate. There's a difference. His websites are not family-friendly, his sermons are not, nor are his &amp;quot;hymns&amp;quot;, and neither are his images. --[[User:Linus M.|Liπus the Turbogeek]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Linus M.|contact me]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 11:54, 7 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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What does Phelps stand for, _besides_ hating gays?  That seems to be his one schtick. And by all accounts, he psychologically and physically abused his OWN family, which doesn't sound too 'pro-family' to me.  [http://blank.org/addict/] (Court evidence--not for the weak of stomach.)  --[[User:Gulik3|Gulik3]] 07:56, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If what you say is true, then &amp;quot;pro-family&amp;quot; must oppose homosexuals becasue they asume that homosexuals are &amp;quot;anti-family&amp;quot;. That is not true, it's not the desire of homosexual people to wreck family, they just want personal freedom to have the kind of living arangement they choose. The only reason they have gathered together is because it's their common cause to get that freedom for themselves. I'm pretty certain that if they had those rights, they would leave everyone else alone. &lt;br /&gt;
Homosexuals don't suggest that everyone should be homosexual, that would be stupid, they just want the right to live their lives as they want to, not bothering anyone, and not being bothered by anyone. If God (if he exists) dislikes it it's solely up to him to judge, none of us are entitled to do that. --[[User:Atkins|Atkins]] 23:45, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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It seems that whoever said that in the first place was being a parodist. We definitely don't stand for Phelps's hate here in Kansas, or here at Conservapedia. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:50, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What the #$@% ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This page mention nothing about the sick twisted and evil nature of Fred Phelps and his family cult. I don't know how this site can call itself conservative and not utterly denounce someone who celebrates the deaths of our fighting men and women and taunts the families of our brave departed soldiers. I am disgusted that he gets off with one line of criticism. [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:41, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Opcn, I believe the principle at work here is &amp;quot;The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Friend.&amp;quot;  Which is a very long way from &amp;quot;Love thine enemies&amp;quot; but that was just some liberal claptrap from about 33 AD or so.  [[User:Teresita|Banned User Teresita]] 01:50, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps and Religion == &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;It's hard to be religious when certain people aren't incinerated by bolts of lightning.&amp;quot; -- Calvin.&lt;br /&gt;
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== disgusting liberal bias  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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this article is terribly condemning of this man. this is the same kind of p.c. bias crap that made me sick of wikipedia. mr. phelps believes in the same things we all do, so why is this article against hihm? he only believes in the things that jesus taught1!1[[User:Manifestdestiny|Manifestdestiny]] 18:42, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wrong.  At no time did Jesus ever condemn a soldier, unlike this man.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:49, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::but jesus did condemn homosexuals. [[User:Cryingeagles39|Cryingeagles39]] 12:51, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Jesus told everyone in plain terms that if they continued to sin, they would not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.  His message in the Gospels was that everyone should repent.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:06, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Exactly. Jesus never specifically mentioned homosexuality in the gospels, but he did do what Karajou mentioned, which would encompass all types of sin, including homosexuality.  [[User:DanH|DanH]] 15:20, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== God Hates Canada ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Didn't Phelps also light a flag on fire in the middle of an airport, thus causing his arrest? [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I haven't heard about this! Do you have a link? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.holysmoke.org/hs02/phelps3.htm] is the best I can find. I was wrong, I guess. Seems he didn't actually get around to torching the flag. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:03, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nevermind... &amp;quot;When WBC members did in fact actually burn the Canadian flag in religious protest to Canada's approval of same-sex marriage, the so-called Christians of Canada were the loudest in denouncing WBC and &amp;quot;widely reviling&amp;quot; her Gospel message.&amp;quot; That's from his God Hates Canada page. Appears I was mistaken about the airport thing, though. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:09, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps And The Democratic Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone please get rid of this header at the bottom of the page? Seems a bit of a stretch to me. --[[User:Ouzo|Ouzo]] 14:35, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think we've addressed your concerns. [http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={91058469-F6DE-4615-8B2A-73CDF3E8FCAC} The &amp;quot;God Hates Fags&amp;quot; Left].  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 16:06, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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Last time I checked liberals support gay people and are secular. Calling Fred Phelps a liberal would be akin to calling Osama bin Laden a pacifist. Someone should change this --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:50, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not a leftist, he is on the extreme fringes of the religious right, he's an embarrasment to conservatives so he is called a &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot;. I can't believe how biased this website is --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:53, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps celebrated the 9/11 attacks and the more recent al-Qaeda strikes in London as the just recompense of Western decadence. He supported Saddam Hussein and has been appreciative to Fidel Castro. Phelps is probably more appropriately described in psychiatric than political terms. '''But his political roots are in the Democratic Party, having run for office in Kansas five times, and actively supported Al Gore in 1988 and 1992, whose campaign used Phelps’ family office space. Son Fred Phelps Jr., who had hosted a fund raiser for Gore, attended the 1993 Clinton-Gore inaugural.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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More careful media coverage acknowledges that Phelps’ ostensibly Baptist church is &amp;quot;unaffiliated&amp;quot; and comprised of only his family members, whose compound of houses is assembled around the church and its swimming pool used for baptisms.&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps, now age 76, has demonstrated outside the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas. He has demonstrated against conservative religious activists James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson. He has demonstrated against the Southern Baptist Convention.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if Phelps did support the Democrats at one time, that doesn't make him a liberal. Guiliani is a Republican and he is certainly not a Conservative (pro gay marriage, pro abortion). I'd argue that Phelps is delusional rather than liberal or conservative but I think it is terribly biased and incorrect to state that he is a leftist and a liberal. Liberals tend to be secular and pro gay marriage, Phelps does not embrace liberal values --[[User:Fredphelpsisamoron|Fredphelpsisamoron]] 16:17, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would argue that Phelps is actually a conservative. He is against gay marriage and is very religious, these are two traits of conservatives. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:44, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There is more to conservatism than ONE ISSUE. Economics, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, there are religious liberals out there. Ever heard of Jimmy Carter? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 16:45, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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True, but Jimmy Carter is only moderatly oppposed to homosexuality and believes in evolution, he is not the same hate filled bigot that Phelps is. Maybe Phelps isn't conservative, but he certainly isn't liberal either. I think saying Phelps is a leftist is POV pushing. It should be taken out. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:47, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==No linking to Phelps's web sites==&lt;br /&gt;
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They are not family appropriate, and Conservapedia is not a repository of hate speech. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:04, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Would it be reasonable to add the prohibition of making and linking to hate speech one of the commandments? --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 17:21, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I think that's an excellent idea. I suggest bringing it up either on Aschlafly's Talk Page or Talk:Conservapedia Commandments. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:22, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: I did not know that I shouldn't have linked to his websites.  However, could you please put into the opening paragraph that Fred Phelps' mission is against homosexuality?  As it is, this important fact is not mentioned until halfway down the page.  [[User:CEinhorn|CEinhorn]] 19:33, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Will do. In fact, I'm going to unprotect this. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 22:55, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Surely the main authority on Phelps's teachings in Phelps himself? His sites should be linked to. I suggest doing so as plain text, not a clickable link, and alongside a warning notice.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Posts not signed are ignored. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:02, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm going to tentatively leave this in place, although it was intended to make Christians look bad by the original creator, he is a major news figure because of his funeral protests, and his actions have prompted major legislation regarding these (and he is also a major embarrassment to my home state, as well as a DEMOCRAT who actually campaigned for Al Gore in 1988 before he went on his anti-homosexual crusade).&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I drove by his &amp;quot;church&amp;quot; once and I got a physical chill once I got within two blocks of it. I felt like I was in a place of true evil. Interestingly, the ZIP codes in Topeka, where he lives, all start with 666.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:26, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just moved it because it was under &amp;quot;Fred phelps,&amp;quot; and the lack of proper capitalization was bothering me. I like to copy edit. :-p [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:29, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you looked at the original article as it was written, it contained some crude language. But thanks for working on the capitalization. It bothers me as well when articles are started like that.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:30, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree with you completely. I didn't want to bother with the article at the time, and I'm glad someone else did. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:32, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a more humorous note, [http://www.barzelay.net/files/images/other/phelps.jpg this] was taken outside of Vandy when Phelps came to visit. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw that picture for sale in a liberal store downtown once. It's so funny.&lt;br /&gt;
One of Phelps's lackeys told my friend that his hair was too long once. (I live about 25 miles from Topeka, so we get a lot of him.) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:51, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:But everyone knows, Jesus doesn't like long hair... [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::This man makes me question the First Amendment, he is just that much of a evil being.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 03:54, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know. His speech is beyond reasonable and just disgusting. I would guess that a majority of Kansans would support his execution. &lt;br /&gt;
And Colin, you may be thinking of Paul :) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:55, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know the feeling. I'm a huge believer in the importance of the First Amendment, especially free speech, but what he says is just so ridiculous it's hard to believe it's technically allowed. And MD, I was mostly referring to the fact that most men of Jesus' time had &amp;quot;longer&amp;quot; hair. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 04:03, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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That's what I thought. I don't like to judge other Christians' salvation, but I have to make an exception here for old Freddie. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 04:05, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: OK, I saw you reverted the article back after I added content about the extent of his hate speach.  There needs away for this to be stated, especially if you are going to allow the b.s. about militant homosexuals on the page.  Otherwise this article makes him come across as less insane than he is.--[[User:Jack|Jack]] 18:04, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I agree. I just don't think that the word &amp;quot;fag&amp;quot; is appropriate for an article on this site. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 20:05, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: The hate crimes against Fred Phelps section is uncited b.s. and I think it should be deleted unless someone can give any evidence beyond Phelps' own paranoia and delusional rantings.  I'm doing you a favor--Fred Phelps is not your friend. --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 11:02, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I'm also taking out the Al Gore contributions part since that isn't cited either. --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 11:04, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Liberal Edits by Jack ==&lt;br /&gt;
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please push your liberal views in an article about yourself.  This article is about Fred Phelps views, not yours. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 13:01, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Ummmm, liberal views? You say that as if it was a bad thing.  One of the commandments here is that claims need to be properly sourced.  This article is certainly making a lot of excuses regarding one of the most abhorrant men in America today.  He goes to military funerals with signs that say &amp;quot;God Hates F*gs&amp;quot;.  That is an objective, well documented fact.  However, the sysops delete it from the main page.  However, completely unsubstantiated claims by Phelps that HE is the victim of hate crimes is allowed to be left up.  --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 22:05, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The subject of an article and their public statements are reliable sources for an article.   Phelps is preaching the literal statements of the Bible.  In fact, he is at the most extreme end of the spectrum with the limits of free speech I have ever seen.   The article is about his views and him.   And he is certainly notable. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 22:16, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::RightWolf2, please stop editing the article to claim that Phelps is &amp;quot;literally following the Bible&amp;quot;, and please stop attacking Jack.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:36, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::1.  Not an attack, but a statement of my views.  2. When admins and their buddies start forming cabals to reinforce each other, free editing goes out the window.  3.  I am over 60 years old, I am a competent attorney, and I am not here to rain on anyones parade.  Just to add God's word.  4.  Your views of Phelps are &amp;quot;your views&amp;quot;.  Articles about subjects as controversial as phelps should enshrine &amp;quot;his views&amp;quot;, not everyone elses opinions. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 11:44, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is Fred Phelps' church the inspiration for the Landover Baptist Church website that mocks Christian Extremism?--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 15:57, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Phelps, although outspoken and outlandish, is far less of a hypocrite than other Christian organizations who claim to be able to determine which verses from the Bible are literal from those that are allegorical.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow. QED. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 02:19, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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With all respect to the fact that it shouldn't be stated on an encyclopedia, Phelps probably is going to Hell. -'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 00:42, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Phelps is PRO-FAMILY, not anti-homosexual==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's a reason Dr. Dobson called his institution &amp;quot;Focus on the Family&amp;quot; and not &amp;quot;We Hate Gays&amp;quot;.  There's a reason that it's called the &amp;quot;Family Research Council&amp;quot;.  The people who oppose the homosexual agenda are PRO-FAMILY, not anti-anything.  Even the mainstream media generally recognizes this fact and ignore the moonbats (just like they ignore the moonbats when the moonbats try to label &amp;quot;PRO-lifers&amp;quot; as &amp;quot;ANTI-choicers&amp;quot;).  Even the mainstream media (which has been proven to be overwhelmingly liberal, remember) doesn't call Dr. Dobson a bigot or a homophobe.  So why shouldn't Conservapedia, which was created to espouse the CONSERVATIVE point of view, reflect what even liberals acknowledge?--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:38, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps isn't a true conservative. He says Bush is going to burn in hell. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:39, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Jeeze, conservatives aren't brainless clones who can't disagree!  I strongly disagree with Phelps on this matter, but that doesn't make him a non-conservative!  Besides, the issue isn't whether or not he's conservative, the issue is his PRO-FAMILY &amp;quot;bias&amp;quot;!--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:46, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*My reading of scripture, perhaps not as advanced as some, tells me if we keep judging, which God has said is his alone to do, we will all be burning. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:37, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with Terry, but as I've learned from much debating with christians, the argument doesn't work. They've chosen to ignore one thing the bible says in order to use another thing the bible says to achieve their goals or to justify their hate.[[User:Nsmyth|NSmyth]] 04:47, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*Well, really, in the Grand Scheme of things, it isn't important.  All of us, eventually, will face the harshest, yet most loving Judge in the Universe.  Justifications, and legal arguments won't be allowed, lol. ;-) --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:50, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You can be anti homosexual without being pro-family. The cult Phelps has developed targets and belittles families, he is truely a Bad person in every sense of the word, if he has gotten anything right it has been by way of accident [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:44, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Being anti-homosexual is not being pro-family.  It is being pro-YOUR-idea-of-family, and forcing that idea on the rest of the world.  There's a big difference.-'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:47, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not pro-family, he's pro-hate. There's a difference. His websites are not family-friendly, his sermons are not, nor are his &amp;quot;hymns&amp;quot;, and neither are his images. --[[User:Linus M.|Liπus the Turbogeek]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Linus M.|contact me]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 11:54, 7 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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What does Phelps stand for, _besides_ hating gays?  That seems to be his one schtick. And by all accounts, he psychologically and physically abused his OWN family, which doesn't sound too 'pro-family' to me.  [http://blank.org/addict/] (Court evidence--not for the weak of stomach.)  --[[User:Gulik3|Gulik3]] 07:56, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If what you say is true, then &amp;quot;pro-family&amp;quot; must oppose homosexuals becasue they asume that homosexuals are &amp;quot;anti-family&amp;quot;. That is not true, it's not the desire of homosexual people to wreck family, they just want personal freedom to have the kind of living arangement they choose. The only reason they have gathered together is because it's their common cause to get that freedom for themselves. I'm pretty certain that if they had those rights, they would leave everyone else alone. &lt;br /&gt;
Homosexuals don't suggest that everyone should be homosexual, that would be stupid, they just want the right to live their lives as they want to, not bothering anyone, and not being bothered by anyone. If God (if he exists) dislikes it it's solely up to him to judge, none of us are entitled to do that. --[[User:Atkins|Atkins]] 23:45, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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It seems that whoever said that in the first place was being a parodist. We definitely don't stand for Phelps's hate here in Kansas, or here at Conservapedia. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:50, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What the #$@% ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This page mention nothing about the sick twisted and evil nature of Fred Phelps and his family cult. I don't know how this site can call itself conservative and not utterly denounce someone who celebrates the deaths of our fighting men and women and taunts the families of our brave departed soldiers. I am disgusted that he gets off with one line of criticism. [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:41, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Opcn, I believe the principle at work here is &amp;quot;The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Friend.&amp;quot;  Which is a very long way from &amp;quot;Love thine enemies&amp;quot; but that was just some liberal claptrap from about 33 AD or so.  [[User:Teresita|Banned User Teresita]] 01:50, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps and Religion == &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;It's hard to be religious when certain people aren't incinerated by bolts of lightning.&amp;quot; -- Calvin.&lt;br /&gt;
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== disgusting liberal bias  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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this article is terribly condemning of this man. this is the same kind of p.c. bias crap that made me sick of wikipedia. mr. phelps believes in the same things we all do, so why is this article against hihm? he only believes in the things that jesus taught1!1[[User:Manifestdestiny|Manifestdestiny]] 18:42, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wrong.  At no time did Jesus ever condemn a soldier, unlike this man.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:49, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::but jesus did condemn homosexuals. [[User:Cryingeagles39|Cryingeagles39]] 12:51, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Jesus told everyone in plain terms that if they continued to sin, they would not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.  His message in the Gospels was that everyone should repent.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:06, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Exactly. Jesus never specifically mentioned homosexuality in the gospels, but he did do what Karajou mentioned, which would encompass all types of sin, including homosexuality.  [[User:DanH|DanH]] 15:20, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*I do know Jesus commanded that we not judge, or we would be.  --[[User:TK|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Sysop-&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;TK]] &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:12, 25 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== God Hates Canada ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Didn't Phelps also light a flag on fire in the middle of an airport, thus causing his arrest? [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I haven't heard about this! Do you have a link? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.holysmoke.org/hs02/phelps3.htm] is the best I can find. I was wrong, I guess. Seems he didn't actually get around to torching the flag. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:03, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nevermind... &amp;quot;When WBC members did in fact actually burn the Canadian flag in religious protest to Canada's approval of same-sex marriage, the so-called Christians of Canada were the loudest in denouncing WBC and &amp;quot;widely reviling&amp;quot; her Gospel message.&amp;quot; That's from his God Hates Canada page. Appears I was mistaken about the airport thing, though. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:09, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps And The Democratic Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone please get rid of this header at the bottom of the page? Seems a bit of a stretch to me. --[[User:Ouzo|Ouzo]] 14:35, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think we've addressed your concerns. [http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={91058469-F6DE-4615-8B2A-73CDF3E8FCAC} The &amp;quot;God Hates Fags&amp;quot; Left].  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 16:06, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;Authoritarianism is an [[ideology]] that affirms that individual rights and liberties do not matter and that the decisions of how society should be run should be left to a single [[dictator]] or a small group of elites. Authoritarianism comes in three main forms although there could be others. The three main forms of authoritarianism are fascism, communism, and religious fundamentalism.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: /* Liberal Activist!??? */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Liberal Activist!???==&lt;br /&gt;
Last time I checked liberals support gay people and are secular. Calling Fred Phelps a liberal would be akin to calling Osama bin Laden a pacifist. Someone should change this --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:50, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not a leftist, he is on the extreme fringes of the religious right, he's an embarrasment to conservatives so he is called a &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot;. I can't believe how biased this website is --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:53, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps celebrated the 9/11 attacks and the more recent al-Qaeda strikes in London as the just recompense of Western decadence. He supported Saddam Hussein and has been appreciative to Fidel Castro. Phelps is probably more appropriately described in psychiatric than political terms. '''But his political roots are in the Democratic Party, having run for office in Kansas five times, and actively supported Al Gore in 1988 and 1992, whose campaign used Phelps’ family office space. Son Fred Phelps Jr., who had hosted a fund raiser for Gore, attended the 1993 Clinton-Gore inaugural.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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More careful media coverage acknowledges that Phelps’ ostensibly Baptist church is &amp;quot;unaffiliated&amp;quot; and comprised of only his family members, whose compound of houses is assembled around the church and its swimming pool used for baptisms.&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps, now age 76, has demonstrated outside the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas. He has demonstrated against conservative religious activists James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson. He has demonstrated against the Southern Baptist Convention.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if Phelps did support the Democrats at one time, that doesn't make him a liberal. Guiliani is a Republican and he is certainly not a Conservative (pro gay marriage, pro abortion). I'd argue that Phelps is delusional rather than liberal or conservative but I think it is terribly biased and incorrect to state that he is a leftist and a liberal. Liberals tend to be secular and pro gay marriage, Phelps does not embrace liberal values --[[User:Fredphelpsisamoron|Fredphelpsisamoron]] 16:17, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would argue that Phelps is actually a conservative. He is against gay marriage and is very religious, these are two traits of conservatives. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:44, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There is more to conservatism than ONE ISSUE. Economics, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, there are religious liberals out there. Ever heard of Jimmy Carter? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 16:45, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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True, but Jimmy Carter is only moderatly oppposed to homosexuality and believes in evolution, he is not the same hate filled bigot that Phelps is. Maybe Phelps isn't conservative, but he certainly isn't liberal either. I think saying is a leftist is POV pushing. It should be taken out. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:47, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==No linking to Phelps's web sites==&lt;br /&gt;
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They are not family appropriate, and Conservapedia is not a repository of hate speech. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:04, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Would it be reasonable to add the prohibition of making and linking to hate speech one of the commandments? --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 17:21, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I think that's an excellent idea. I suggest bringing it up either on Aschlafly's Talk Page or Talk:Conservapedia Commandments. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:22, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: I did not know that I shouldn't have linked to his websites.  However, could you please put into the opening paragraph that Fred Phelps' mission is against homosexuality?  As it is, this important fact is not mentioned until halfway down the page.  [[User:CEinhorn|CEinhorn]] 19:33, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Will do. In fact, I'm going to unprotect this. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 22:55, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Surely the main authority on Phelps's teachings in Phelps himself? His sites should be linked to. I suggest doing so as plain text, not a clickable link, and alongside a warning notice.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Posts not signed are ignored. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:02, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm going to tentatively leave this in place, although it was intended to make Christians look bad by the original creator, he is a major news figure because of his funeral protests, and his actions have prompted major legislation regarding these (and he is also a major embarrassment to my home state, as well as a DEMOCRAT who actually campaigned for Al Gore in 1988 before he went on his anti-homosexual crusade).&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I drove by his &amp;quot;church&amp;quot; once and I got a physical chill once I got within two blocks of it. I felt like I was in a place of true evil. Interestingly, the ZIP codes in Topeka, where he lives, all start with 666.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:26, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just moved it because it was under &amp;quot;Fred phelps,&amp;quot; and the lack of proper capitalization was bothering me. I like to copy edit. :-p [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:29, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you looked at the original article as it was written, it contained some crude language. But thanks for working on the capitalization. It bothers me as well when articles are started like that.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:30, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree with you completely. I didn't want to bother with the article at the time, and I'm glad someone else did. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:32, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a more humorous note, [http://www.barzelay.net/files/images/other/phelps.jpg this] was taken outside of Vandy when Phelps came to visit. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw that picture for sale in a liberal store downtown once. It's so funny.&lt;br /&gt;
One of Phelps's lackeys told my friend that his hair was too long once. (I live about 25 miles from Topeka, so we get a lot of him.) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:51, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:But everyone knows, Jesus doesn't like long hair... [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::This man makes me question the First Amendment, he is just that much of a evil being.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 03:54, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know. His speech is beyond reasonable and just disgusting. I would guess that a majority of Kansans would support his execution. &lt;br /&gt;
And Colin, you may be thinking of Paul :) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:55, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know the feeling. I'm a huge believer in the importance of the First Amendment, especially free speech, but what he says is just so ridiculous it's hard to believe it's technically allowed. And MD, I was mostly referring to the fact that most men of Jesus' time had &amp;quot;longer&amp;quot; hair. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 04:03, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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That's what I thought. I don't like to judge other Christians' salvation, but I have to make an exception here for old Freddie. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 04:05, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: OK, I saw you reverted the article back after I added content about the extent of his hate speach.  There needs away for this to be stated, especially if you are going to allow the b.s. about militant homosexuals on the page.  Otherwise this article makes him come across as less insane than he is.--[[User:Jack|Jack]] 18:04, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I agree. I just don't think that the word &amp;quot;fag&amp;quot; is appropriate for an article on this site. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 20:05, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: The hate crimes against Fred Phelps section is uncited b.s. and I think it should be deleted unless someone can give any evidence beyond Phelps' own paranoia and delusional rantings.  I'm doing you a favor--Fred Phelps is not your friend. --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 11:02, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I'm also taking out the Al Gore contributions part since that isn't cited either. --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 11:04, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Liberal Edits by Jack ==&lt;br /&gt;
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please push your liberal views in an article about yourself.  This article is about Fred Phelps views, not yours. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 13:01, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Ummmm, liberal views? You say that as if it was a bad thing.  One of the commandments here is that claims need to be properly sourced.  This article is certainly making a lot of excuses regarding one of the most abhorrant men in America today.  He goes to military funerals with signs that say &amp;quot;God Hates F*gs&amp;quot;.  That is an objective, well documented fact.  However, the sysops delete it from the main page.  However, completely unsubstantiated claims by Phelps that HE is the victim of hate crimes is allowed to be left up.  --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 22:05, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The subject of an article and their public statements are reliable sources for an article.   Phelps is preaching the literal statements of the Bible.  In fact, he is at the most extreme end of the spectrum with the limits of free speech I have ever seen.   The article is about his views and him.   And he is certainly notable. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 22:16, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::RightWolf2, please stop editing the article to claim that Phelps is &amp;quot;literally following the Bible&amp;quot;, and please stop attacking Jack.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:36, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::1.  Not an attack, but a statement of my views.  2. When admins and their buddies start forming cabals to reinforce each other, free editing goes out the window.  3.  I am over 60 years old, I am a competent attorney, and I am not here to rain on anyones parade.  Just to add God's word.  4.  Your views of Phelps are &amp;quot;your views&amp;quot;.  Articles about subjects as controversial as phelps should enshrine &amp;quot;his views&amp;quot;, not everyone elses opinions. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 11:44, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is Fred Phelps' church the inspiration for the Landover Baptist Church website that mocks Christian Extremism?--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 15:57, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Phelps, although outspoken and outlandish, is far less of a hypocrite than other Christian organizations who claim to be able to determine which verses from the Bible are literal from those that are allegorical.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow. QED. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 02:19, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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With all respect to the fact that it shouldn't be stated on an encyclopedia, Phelps probably is going to Hell. -'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 00:42, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Phelps is PRO-FAMILY, not anti-homosexual==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's a reason Dr. Dobson called his institution &amp;quot;Focus on the Family&amp;quot; and not &amp;quot;We Hate Gays&amp;quot;.  There's a reason that it's called the &amp;quot;Family Research Council&amp;quot;.  The people who oppose the homosexual agenda are PRO-FAMILY, not anti-anything.  Even the mainstream media generally recognizes this fact and ignore the moonbats (just like they ignore the moonbats when the moonbats try to label &amp;quot;PRO-lifers&amp;quot; as &amp;quot;ANTI-choicers&amp;quot;).  Even the mainstream media (which has been proven to be overwhelmingly liberal, remember) doesn't call Dr. Dobson a bigot or a homophobe.  So why shouldn't Conservapedia, which was created to espouse the CONSERVATIVE point of view, reflect what even liberals acknowledge?--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:38, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps isn't a true conservative. He says Bush is going to burn in hell. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:39, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Jeeze, conservatives aren't brainless clones who can't disagree!  I strongly disagree with Phelps on this matter, but that doesn't make him a non-conservative!  Besides, the issue isn't whether or not he's conservative, the issue is his PRO-FAMILY &amp;quot;bias&amp;quot;!--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:46, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*My reading of scripture, perhaps not as advanced as some, tells me if we keep judging, which God has said is his alone to do, we will all be burning. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:37, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with Terry, but as I've learned from much debating with christians, the argument doesn't work. They've chosen to ignore one thing the bible says in order to use another thing the bible says to achieve their goals or to justify their hate.[[User:Nsmyth|NSmyth]] 04:47, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*Well, really, in the Grand Scheme of things, it isn't important.  All of us, eventually, will face the harshest, yet most loving Judge in the Universe.  Justifications, and legal arguments won't be allowed, lol. ;-) --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:50, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You can be anti homosexual without being pro-family. The cult Phelps has developed targets and belittles families, he is truely a Bad person in every sense of the word, if he has gotten anything right it has been by way of accident [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:44, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Being anti-homosexual is not being pro-family.  It is being pro-YOUR-idea-of-family, and forcing that idea on the rest of the world.  There's a big difference.-'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:47, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not pro-family, he's pro-hate. There's a difference. His websites are not family-friendly, his sermons are not, nor are his &amp;quot;hymns&amp;quot;, and neither are his images. --[[User:Linus M.|Liπus the Turbogeek]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Linus M.|contact me]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 11:54, 7 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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What does Phelps stand for, _besides_ hating gays?  That seems to be his one schtick. And by all accounts, he psychologically and physically abused his OWN family, which doesn't sound too 'pro-family' to me.  [http://blank.org/addict/] (Court evidence--not for the weak of stomach.)  --[[User:Gulik3|Gulik3]] 07:56, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If what you say is true, then &amp;quot;pro-family&amp;quot; must oppose homosexuals becasue they asume that homosexuals are &amp;quot;anti-family&amp;quot;. That is not true, it's not the desire of homosexual people to wreck family, they just want personal freedom to have the kind of living arangement they choose. The only reason they have gathered together is because it's their common cause to get that freedom for themselves. I'm pretty certain that if they had those rights, they would leave everyone else alone. &lt;br /&gt;
Homosexuals don't suggest that everyone should be homosexual, that would be stupid, they just want the right to live their lives as they want to, not bothering anyone, and not being bothered by anyone. If God (if he exists) dislikes it it's solely up to him to judge, none of us are entitled to do that. --[[User:Atkins|Atkins]] 23:45, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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It seems that whoever said that in the first place was being a parodist. We definitely don't stand for Phelps's hate here in Kansas, or here at Conservapedia. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:50, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What the #$@% ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This page mention nothing about the sick twisted and evil nature of Fred Phelps and his family cult. I don't know how this site can call itself conservative and not utterly denounce someone who celebrates the deaths of our fighting men and women and taunts the families of our brave departed soldiers. I am disgusted that he gets off with one line of criticism. [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:41, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Opcn, I believe the principle at work here is &amp;quot;The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Friend.&amp;quot;  Which is a very long way from &amp;quot;Love thine enemies&amp;quot; but that was just some liberal claptrap from about 33 AD or so.  [[User:Teresita|Banned User Teresita]] 01:50, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps and Religion == &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;It's hard to be religious when certain people aren't incinerated by bolts of lightning.&amp;quot; -- Calvin.&lt;br /&gt;
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== disgusting liberal bias  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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this article is terribly condemning of this man. this is the same kind of p.c. bias crap that made me sick of wikipedia. mr. phelps believes in the same things we all do, so why is this article against hihm? he only believes in the things that jesus taught1!1[[User:Manifestdestiny|Manifestdestiny]] 18:42, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wrong.  At no time did Jesus ever condemn a soldier, unlike this man.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:49, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::but jesus did condemn homosexuals. [[User:Cryingeagles39|Cryingeagles39]] 12:51, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Jesus told everyone in plain terms that if they continued to sin, they would not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.  His message in the Gospels was that everyone should repent.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:06, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Exactly. Jesus never specifically mentioned homosexuality in the gospels, but he did do what Karajou mentioned, which would encompass all types of sin, including homosexuality.  [[User:DanH|DanH]] 15:20, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== God Hates Canada ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Didn't Phelps also light a flag on fire in the middle of an airport, thus causing his arrest? [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I haven't heard about this! Do you have a link? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.holysmoke.org/hs02/phelps3.htm] is the best I can find. I was wrong, I guess. Seems he didn't actually get around to torching the flag. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:03, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nevermind... &amp;quot;When WBC members did in fact actually burn the Canadian flag in religious protest to Canada's approval of same-sex marriage, the so-called Christians of Canada were the loudest in denouncing WBC and &amp;quot;widely reviling&amp;quot; her Gospel message.&amp;quot; That's from his God Hates Canada page. Appears I was mistaken about the airport thing, though. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:09, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps And The Democratic Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone please get rid of this header at the bottom of the page? Seems a bit of a stretch to me. --[[User:Ouzo|Ouzo]] 14:35, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think we've addressed your concerns. [http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={91058469-F6DE-4615-8B2A-73CDF3E8FCAC} The &amp;quot;God Hates Fags&amp;quot; Left].  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 16:06, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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Last time I checked liberals support gay people and are secular. Calling Fred Phelps a liberal would be akin to calling Osama bin Laden a pacifist. Someone should change this --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:50, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not a leftist, he is on the extreme fringes of the religious right, he's an embarrasment to conservatives so he is called a &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot;. I can't believe how biased this website is --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:53, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps celebrated the 9/11 attacks and the more recent al-Qaeda strikes in London as the just recompense of Western decadence. He supported Saddam Hussein and has been appreciative to Fidel Castro. Phelps is probably more appropriately described in psychiatric than political terms. '''But his political roots are in the Democratic Party, having run for office in Kansas five times, and actively supported Al Gore in 1988 and 1992, whose campaign used Phelps’ family office space. Son Fred Phelps Jr., who had hosted a fund raiser for Gore, attended the 1993 Clinton-Gore inaugural.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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More careful media coverage acknowledges that Phelps’ ostensibly Baptist church is &amp;quot;unaffiliated&amp;quot; and comprised of only his family members, whose compound of houses is assembled around the church and its swimming pool used for baptisms.&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps, now age 76, has demonstrated outside the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas. He has demonstrated against conservative religious activists James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson. He has demonstrated against the Southern Baptist Convention.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if Phelps did support the Democrats at one time, that doesn't make him a liberal. Guiliani is a Republican and he is certainly not a Conservative (pro gay marriage, pro abortion). I'd argue that Phelps is delusional rather than liberal or conservative but I think it is terribly biased and incorrect to state that he is a leftist and a liberal. Liberals tend to be secular and pro gay marriage, Phelps does not embrace liberal values --[[User:Fredphelpsisamoron|Fredphelpsisamoron]] 16:17, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would argue that Phelps is actually a conservative. He is against gay marriage and is very religious, these are two traits of conservatives. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:44, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There is more to conservatism than ONE ISSUE. Economics, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, there are religious liberals out there. Ever heard of Jimmy Carter? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 16:45, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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True, but Jimmy Carter is only moderatly oppposed to homosexuality and believes in evolution, he is not the same hate filled bigot that Phelps is. Maybe Phelps isn't conservative, but he certainly isn't liberal either. I think saying is a leftist is POV pushing. It should be taken out.&lt;br /&gt;
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==No linking to Phelps's web sites==&lt;br /&gt;
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They are not family appropriate, and Conservapedia is not a repository of hate speech. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:04, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Would it be reasonable to add the prohibition of making and linking to hate speech one of the commandments? --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 17:21, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I think that's an excellent idea. I suggest bringing it up either on Aschlafly's Talk Page or Talk:Conservapedia Commandments. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:22, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: I did not know that I shouldn't have linked to his websites.  However, could you please put into the opening paragraph that Fred Phelps' mission is against homosexuality?  As it is, this important fact is not mentioned until halfway down the page.  [[User:CEinhorn|CEinhorn]] 19:33, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Will do. In fact, I'm going to unprotect this. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 22:55, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Surely the main authority on Phelps's teachings in Phelps himself? His sites should be linked to. I suggest doing so as plain text, not a clickable link, and alongside a warning notice.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Posts not signed are ignored. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:02, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm going to tentatively leave this in place, although it was intended to make Christians look bad by the original creator, he is a major news figure because of his funeral protests, and his actions have prompted major legislation regarding these (and he is also a major embarrassment to my home state, as well as a DEMOCRAT who actually campaigned for Al Gore in 1988 before he went on his anti-homosexual crusade).&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I drove by his &amp;quot;church&amp;quot; once and I got a physical chill once I got within two blocks of it. I felt like I was in a place of true evil. Interestingly, the ZIP codes in Topeka, where he lives, all start with 666.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:26, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just moved it because it was under &amp;quot;Fred phelps,&amp;quot; and the lack of proper capitalization was bothering me. I like to copy edit. :-p [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:29, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you looked at the original article as it was written, it contained some crude language. But thanks for working on the capitalization. It bothers me as well when articles are started like that.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:30, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree with you completely. I didn't want to bother with the article at the time, and I'm glad someone else did. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:32, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a more humorous note, [http://www.barzelay.net/files/images/other/phelps.jpg this] was taken outside of Vandy when Phelps came to visit. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw that picture for sale in a liberal store downtown once. It's so funny.&lt;br /&gt;
One of Phelps's lackeys told my friend that his hair was too long once. (I live about 25 miles from Topeka, so we get a lot of him.) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:51, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:But everyone knows, Jesus doesn't like long hair... [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::This man makes me question the First Amendment, he is just that much of a evil being.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 03:54, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know. His speech is beyond reasonable and just disgusting. I would guess that a majority of Kansans would support his execution. &lt;br /&gt;
And Colin, you may be thinking of Paul :) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:55, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know the feeling. I'm a huge believer in the importance of the First Amendment, especially free speech, but what he says is just so ridiculous it's hard to believe it's technically allowed. And MD, I was mostly referring to the fact that most men of Jesus' time had &amp;quot;longer&amp;quot; hair. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 04:03, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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That's what I thought. I don't like to judge other Christians' salvation, but I have to make an exception here for old Freddie. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 04:05, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: OK, I saw you reverted the article back after I added content about the extent of his hate speach.  There needs away for this to be stated, especially if you are going to allow the b.s. about militant homosexuals on the page.  Otherwise this article makes him come across as less insane than he is.--[[User:Jack|Jack]] 18:04, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I agree. I just don't think that the word &amp;quot;fag&amp;quot; is appropriate for an article on this site. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 20:05, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: The hate crimes against Fred Phelps section is uncited b.s. and I think it should be deleted unless someone can give any evidence beyond Phelps' own paranoia and delusional rantings.  I'm doing you a favor--Fred Phelps is not your friend. --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 11:02, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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please push your liberal views in an article about yourself.  This article is about Fred Phelps views, not yours. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 13:01, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Ummmm, liberal views? You say that as if it was a bad thing.  One of the commandments here is that claims need to be properly sourced.  This article is certainly making a lot of excuses regarding one of the most abhorrant men in America today.  He goes to military funerals with signs that say &amp;quot;God Hates F*gs&amp;quot;.  That is an objective, well documented fact.  However, the sysops delete it from the main page.  However, completely unsubstantiated claims by Phelps that HE is the victim of hate crimes is allowed to be left up.  --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 22:05, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The subject of an article and their public statements are reliable sources for an article.   Phelps is preaching the literal statements of the Bible.  In fact, he is at the most extreme end of the spectrum with the limits of free speech I have ever seen.   The article is about his views and him.   And he is certainly notable. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 22:16, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::RightWolf2, please stop editing the article to claim that Phelps is &amp;quot;literally following the Bible&amp;quot;, and please stop attacking Jack.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:36, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::1.  Not an attack, but a statement of my views.  2. When admins and their buddies start forming cabals to reinforce each other, free editing goes out the window.  3.  I am over 60 years old, I am a competent attorney, and I am not here to rain on anyones parade.  Just to add God's word.  4.  Your views of Phelps are &amp;quot;your views&amp;quot;.  Articles about subjects as controversial as phelps should enshrine &amp;quot;his views&amp;quot;, not everyone elses opinions. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 11:44, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is Fred Phelps' church the inspiration for the Landover Baptist Church website that mocks Christian Extremism?--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 15:57, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Phelps, although outspoken and outlandish, is far less of a hypocrite than other Christian organizations who claim to be able to determine which verses from the Bible are literal from those that are allegorical.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow. QED. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 02:19, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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With all respect to the fact that it shouldn't be stated on an encyclopedia, Phelps probably is going to Hell. -'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 00:42, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Phelps is PRO-FAMILY, not anti-homosexual==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's a reason Dr. Dobson called his institution &amp;quot;Focus on the Family&amp;quot; and not &amp;quot;We Hate Gays&amp;quot;.  There's a reason that it's called the &amp;quot;Family Research Council&amp;quot;.  The people who oppose the homosexual agenda are PRO-FAMILY, not anti-anything.  Even the mainstream media generally recognizes this fact and ignore the moonbats (just like they ignore the moonbats when the moonbats try to label &amp;quot;PRO-lifers&amp;quot; as &amp;quot;ANTI-choicers&amp;quot;).  Even the mainstream media (which has been proven to be overwhelmingly liberal, remember) doesn't call Dr. Dobson a bigot or a homophobe.  So why shouldn't Conservapedia, which was created to espouse the CONSERVATIVE point of view, reflect what even liberals acknowledge?--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:38, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps isn't a true conservative. He says Bush is going to burn in hell. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:39, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Jeeze, conservatives aren't brainless clones who can't disagree!  I strongly disagree with Phelps on this matter, but that doesn't make him a non-conservative!  Besides, the issue isn't whether or not he's conservative, the issue is his PRO-FAMILY &amp;quot;bias&amp;quot;!--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:46, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*My reading of scripture, perhaps not as advanced as some, tells me if we keep judging, which God has said is his alone to do, we will all be burning. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:37, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with Terry, but as I've learned from much debating with christians, the argument doesn't work. They've chosen to ignore one thing the bible says in order to use another thing the bible says to achieve their goals or to justify their hate.[[User:Nsmyth|NSmyth]] 04:47, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*Well, really, in the Grand Scheme of things, it isn't important.  All of us, eventually, will face the harshest, yet most loving Judge in the Universe.  Justifications, and legal arguments won't be allowed, lol. ;-) --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:50, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You can be anti homosexual without being pro-family. The cult Phelps has developed targets and belittles families, he is truely a Bad person in every sense of the word, if he has gotten anything right it has been by way of accident [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:44, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Being anti-homosexual is not being pro-family.  It is being pro-YOUR-idea-of-family, and forcing that idea on the rest of the world.  There's a big difference.-'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:47, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not pro-family, he's pro-hate. There's a difference. His websites are not family-friendly, his sermons are not, nor are his &amp;quot;hymns&amp;quot;, and neither are his images. --[[User:Linus M.|Liπus the Turbogeek]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Linus M.|contact me]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 11:54, 7 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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What does Phelps stand for, _besides_ hating gays?  That seems to be his one schtick. And by all accounts, he psychologically and physically abused his OWN family, which doesn't sound too 'pro-family' to me.  [http://blank.org/addict/] (Court evidence--not for the weak of stomach.)  --[[User:Gulik3|Gulik3]] 07:56, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If what you say is true, then &amp;quot;pro-family&amp;quot; must oppose homosexuals becasue they asume that homosexuals are &amp;quot;anti-family&amp;quot;. That is not true, it's not the desire of homosexual people to wreck family, they just want personal freedom to have the kind of living arangement they choose. The only reason they have gathered together is because it's their common cause to get that freedom for themselves. I'm pretty certain that if they had those rights, they would leave everyone else alone. &lt;br /&gt;
Homosexuals don't suggest that everyone should be homosexual, that would be stupid, they just want the right to live their lives as they want to, not bothering anyone, and not being bothered by anyone. If God (if he exists) dislikes it it's solely up to him to judge, none of us are entitled to do that. --[[User:Atkins|Atkins]] 23:45, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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It seems that whoever said that in the first place was being a parodist. We definitely don't stand for Phelps's hate here in Kansas, or here at Conservapedia. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:50, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What the #$@% ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This page mention nothing about the sick twisted and evil nature of Fred Phelps and his family cult. I don't know how this site can call itself conservative and not utterly denounce someone who celebrates the deaths of our fighting men and women and taunts the families of our brave departed soldiers. I am disgusted that he gets off with one line of criticism. [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:41, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Opcn, I believe the principle at work here is &amp;quot;The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Friend.&amp;quot;  Which is a very long way from &amp;quot;Love thine enemies&amp;quot; but that was just some liberal claptrap from about 33 AD or so.  [[User:Teresita|Banned User Teresita]] 01:50, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps and Religion == &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;It's hard to be religious when certain people aren't incinerated by bolts of lightning.&amp;quot; -- Calvin.&lt;br /&gt;
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== disgusting liberal bias  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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this article is terribly condemning of this man. this is the same kind of p.c. bias crap that made me sick of wikipedia. mr. phelps believes in the same things we all do, so why is this article against hihm? he only believes in the things that jesus taught1!1[[User:Manifestdestiny|Manifestdestiny]] 18:42, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wrong.  At no time did Jesus ever condemn a soldier, unlike this man.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:49, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::but jesus did condemn homosexuals. [[User:Cryingeagles39|Cryingeagles39]] 12:51, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Jesus told everyone in plain terms that if they continued to sin, they would not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.  His message in the Gospels was that everyone should repent.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:06, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Exactly. Jesus never specifically mentioned homosexuality in the gospels, but he did do what Karajou mentioned, which would encompass all types of sin, including homosexuality.  [[User:DanH|DanH]] 15:20, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== God Hates Canada ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Didn't Phelps also light a flag on fire in the middle of an airport, thus causing his arrest? [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I haven't heard about this! Do you have a link? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.holysmoke.org/hs02/phelps3.htm] is the best I can find. I was wrong, I guess. Seems he didn't actually get around to torching the flag. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:03, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nevermind... &amp;quot;When WBC members did in fact actually burn the Canadian flag in religious protest to Canada's approval of same-sex marriage, the so-called Christians of Canada were the loudest in denouncing WBC and &amp;quot;widely reviling&amp;quot; her Gospel message.&amp;quot; That's from his God Hates Canada page. Appears I was mistaken about the airport thing, though. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:09, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps And The Democratic Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone please get rid of this header at the bottom of the page? Seems a bit of a stretch to me. --[[User:Ouzo|Ouzo]] 14:35, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think we've addressed your concerns. [http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={91058469-F6DE-4615-8B2A-73CDF3E8FCAC} The &amp;quot;God Hates Fags&amp;quot; Left].  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 16:06, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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Last time I checked liberals support gay people and are secular. Calling Fred Phelps a liberal would be akin to calling Osama bin Laden a pacifist. Someone should change this --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:50, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not a leftist, he is on the extreme fringes of the religious right, he's an embarrasment to conservatives so he is called a &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot;. I can't believe how biased this website is --[[User:AllahuAkbarJihad|AllahuAkbarJihad]] 21:53, 12 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps celebrated the 9/11 attacks and the more recent al-Qaeda strikes in London as the just recompense of Western decadence. He supported Saddam Hussein and has been appreciative to Fidel Castro. Phelps is probably more appropriately described in psychiatric than political terms. '''But his political roots are in the Democratic Party, having run for office in Kansas five times, and actively supported Al Gore in 1988 and 1992, whose campaign used Phelps’ family office space. Son Fred Phelps Jr., who had hosted a fund raiser for Gore, attended the 1993 Clinton-Gore inaugural.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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More careful media coverage acknowledges that Phelps’ ostensibly Baptist church is &amp;quot;unaffiliated&amp;quot; and comprised of only his family members, whose compound of houses is assembled around the church and its swimming pool used for baptisms.&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps, now age 76, has demonstrated outside the Bush Ranch in Crawford, Texas. He has demonstrated against conservative religious activists James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson. He has demonstrated against the Southern Baptist Convention.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if Phelps did support the Democrats at one time, that doesn't make him a liberal. Guiliani is a Republican and he is certainly not a Conservative (pro gay marriage, pro abortion). I'd argue that Phelps is delusional rather than liberal or conservative but I think it is terribly biased and incorrect to state that he is a leftist and a liberal. Liberals tend to be secular and pro gay marriage, Phelps does not embrace liberal values --[[User:Fredphelpsisamoron|Fredphelpsisamoron]] 16:17, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would argue that Phelps is actually a conservative. He is against gay marriage and is very religious, these are two traits of conservatives. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:44, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==No linking to Phelps's web sites==&lt;br /&gt;
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They are not family appropriate, and Conservapedia is not a repository of hate speech. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:04, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Would it be reasonable to add the prohibition of making and linking to hate speech one of the commandments? --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 17:21, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I think that's an excellent idea. I suggest bringing it up either on Aschlafly's Talk Page or Talk:Conservapedia Commandments. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:22, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: I did not know that I shouldn't have linked to his websites.  However, could you please put into the opening paragraph that Fred Phelps' mission is against homosexuality?  As it is, this important fact is not mentioned until halfway down the page.  [[User:CEinhorn|CEinhorn]] 19:33, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Will do. In fact, I'm going to unprotect this. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 22:55, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Surely the main authority on Phelps's teachings in Phelps himself? His sites should be linked to. I suggest doing so as plain text, not a clickable link, and alongside a warning notice.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Posts not signed are ignored. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:02, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm going to tentatively leave this in place, although it was intended to make Christians look bad by the original creator, he is a major news figure because of his funeral protests, and his actions have prompted major legislation regarding these (and he is also a major embarrassment to my home state, as well as a DEMOCRAT who actually campaigned for Al Gore in 1988 before he went on his anti-homosexual crusade).&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I drove by his &amp;quot;church&amp;quot; once and I got a physical chill once I got within two blocks of it. I felt like I was in a place of true evil. Interestingly, the ZIP codes in Topeka, where he lives, all start with 666.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:26, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just moved it because it was under &amp;quot;Fred phelps,&amp;quot; and the lack of proper capitalization was bothering me. I like to copy edit. :-p [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:29, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If you looked at the original article as it was written, it contained some crude language. But thanks for working on the capitalization. It bothers me as well when articles are started like that.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:30, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree with you completely. I didn't want to bother with the article at the time, and I'm glad someone else did. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:32, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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On a more humorous note, [http://www.barzelay.net/files/images/other/phelps.jpg this] was taken outside of Vandy when Phelps came to visit. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I saw that picture for sale in a liberal store downtown once. It's so funny.&lt;br /&gt;
One of Phelps's lackeys told my friend that his hair was too long once. (I live about 25 miles from Topeka, so we get a lot of him.) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:51, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:But everyone knows, Jesus doesn't like long hair... [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 03:52, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::This man makes me question the First Amendment, he is just that much of a evil being.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 03:54, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know. His speech is beyond reasonable and just disgusting. I would guess that a majority of Kansans would support his execution. &lt;br /&gt;
And Colin, you may be thinking of Paul :) [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 03:55, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I know the feeling. I'm a huge believer in the importance of the First Amendment, especially free speech, but what he says is just so ridiculous it's hard to believe it's technically allowed. And MD, I was mostly referring to the fact that most men of Jesus' time had &amp;quot;longer&amp;quot; hair. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 04:03, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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That's what I thought. I don't like to judge other Christians' salvation, but I have to make an exception here for old Freddie. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 04:05, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: OK, I saw you reverted the article back after I added content about the extent of his hate speach.  There needs away for this to be stated, especially if you are going to allow the b.s. about militant homosexuals on the page.  Otherwise this article makes him come across as less insane than he is.--[[User:Jack|Jack]] 18:04, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I agree. I just don't think that the word &amp;quot;fag&amp;quot; is appropriate for an article on this site. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 20:05, 18 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: The hate crimes against Fred Phelps section is uncited b.s. and I think it should be deleted unless someone can give any evidence beyond Phelps' own paranoia and delusional rantings.  I'm doing you a favor--Fred Phelps is not your friend. --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 11:02, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I'm also taking out the Al Gore contributions part since that isn't cited either. --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 11:04, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Liberal Edits by Jack ==&lt;br /&gt;
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please push your liberal views in an article about yourself.  This article is about Fred Phelps views, not yours. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 13:01, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Ummmm, liberal views? You say that as if it was a bad thing.  One of the commandments here is that claims need to be properly sourced.  This article is certainly making a lot of excuses regarding one of the most abhorrant men in America today.  He goes to military funerals with signs that say &amp;quot;God Hates F*gs&amp;quot;.  That is an objective, well documented fact.  However, the sysops delete it from the main page.  However, completely unsubstantiated claims by Phelps that HE is the victim of hate crimes is allowed to be left up.  --[[User:Jack|Jack]] 22:05, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The subject of an article and their public statements are reliable sources for an article.   Phelps is preaching the literal statements of the Bible.  In fact, he is at the most extreme end of the spectrum with the limits of free speech I have ever seen.   The article is about his views and him.   And he is certainly notable. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 22:16, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::RightWolf2, please stop editing the article to claim that Phelps is &amp;quot;literally following the Bible&amp;quot;, and please stop attacking Jack.  [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:36, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::1.  Not an attack, but a statement of my views.  2. When admins and their buddies start forming cabals to reinforce each other, free editing goes out the window.  3.  I am over 60 years old, I am a competent attorney, and I am not here to rain on anyones parade.  Just to add God's word.  4.  Your views of Phelps are &amp;quot;your views&amp;quot;.  Articles about subjects as controversial as phelps should enshrine &amp;quot;his views&amp;quot;, not everyone elses opinions. [[User:RightWolf2|RightWolf2]] 11:44, 20 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Landover Baptist==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is Fred Phelps' church the inspiration for the Landover Baptist Church website that mocks Christian Extremism?--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 15:57, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Phelps, although outspoken and outlandish, is far less of a hypocrite than other Christian organizations who claim to be able to determine which verses from the Bible are literal from those that are allegorical.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow. QED. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 02:19, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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With all respect to the fact that it shouldn't be stated on an encyclopedia, Phelps probably is going to Hell. -'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 00:42, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Phelps is PRO-FAMILY, not anti-homosexual==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's a reason Dr. Dobson called his institution &amp;quot;Focus on the Family&amp;quot; and not &amp;quot;We Hate Gays&amp;quot;.  There's a reason that it's called the &amp;quot;Family Research Council&amp;quot;.  The people who oppose the homosexual agenda are PRO-FAMILY, not anti-anything.  Even the mainstream media generally recognizes this fact and ignore the moonbats (just like they ignore the moonbats when the moonbats try to label &amp;quot;PRO-lifers&amp;quot; as &amp;quot;ANTI-choicers&amp;quot;).  Even the mainstream media (which has been proven to be overwhelmingly liberal, remember) doesn't call Dr. Dobson a bigot or a homophobe.  So why shouldn't Conservapedia, which was created to espouse the CONSERVATIVE point of view, reflect what even liberals acknowledge?--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:38, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps isn't a true conservative. He says Bush is going to burn in hell. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:39, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Jeeze, conservatives aren't brainless clones who can't disagree!  I strongly disagree with Phelps on this matter, but that doesn't make him a non-conservative!  Besides, the issue isn't whether or not he's conservative, the issue is his PRO-FAMILY &amp;quot;bias&amp;quot;!--[[User:Ashens|Ashens]] 02:46, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*My reading of scripture, perhaps not as advanced as some, tells me if we keep judging, which God has said is his alone to do, we will all be burning. --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:37, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with Terry, but as I've learned from much debating with christians, the argument doesn't work. They've chosen to ignore one thing the bible says in order to use another thing the bible says to achieve their goals or to justify their hate.[[User:Nsmyth|NSmyth]] 04:47, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*Well, really, in the Grand Scheme of things, it isn't important.  All of us, eventually, will face the harshest, yet most loving Judge in the Universe.  Justifications, and legal arguments won't be allowed, lol. ;-) --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 04:50, 25 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You can be anti homosexual without being pro-family. The cult Phelps has developed targets and belittles families, he is truely a Bad person in every sense of the word, if he has gotten anything right it has been by way of accident [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:44, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Being anti-homosexual is not being pro-family.  It is being pro-YOUR-idea-of-family, and forcing that idea on the rest of the world.  There's a big difference.-'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#007FFF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Ames&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#FF0000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;'''&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:AmesG yo!]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:47, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Phelps is not pro-family, he's pro-hate. There's a difference. His websites are not family-friendly, his sermons are not, nor are his &amp;quot;hymns&amp;quot;, and neither are his images. --[[User:Linus M.|Liπus the Turbogeek]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;([[User talk:Linus M.|contact me]])&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 11:54, 7 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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What does Phelps stand for, _besides_ hating gays?  That seems to be his one schtick. And by all accounts, he psychologically and physically abused his OWN family, which doesn't sound too 'pro-family' to me.  [http://blank.org/addict/] (Court evidence--not for the weak of stomach.)  --[[User:Gulik3|Gulik3]] 07:56, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If what you say is true, then &amp;quot;pro-family&amp;quot; must oppose homosexuals becasue they asume that homosexuals are &amp;quot;anti-family&amp;quot;. That is not true, it's not the desire of homosexual people to wreck family, they just want personal freedom to have the kind of living arangement they choose. The only reason they have gathered together is because it's their common cause to get that freedom for themselves. I'm pretty certain that if they had those rights, they would leave everyone else alone. &lt;br /&gt;
Homosexuals don't suggest that everyone should be homosexual, that would be stupid, they just want the right to live their lives as they want to, not bothering anyone, and not being bothered by anyone. If God (if he exists) dislikes it it's solely up to him to judge, none of us are entitled to do that. --[[User:Atkins|Atkins]] 23:45, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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It seems that whoever said that in the first place was being a parodist. We definitely don't stand for Phelps's hate here in Kansas, or here at Conservapedia. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:50, 24 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What the #$@% ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This page mention nothing about the sick twisted and evil nature of Fred Phelps and his family cult. I don't know how this site can call itself conservative and not utterly denounce someone who celebrates the deaths of our fighting men and women and taunts the families of our brave departed soldiers. I am disgusted that he gets off with one line of criticism. [[User:Opcn|Opcn]] 01:41, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Opcn, I believe the principle at work here is &amp;quot;The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Friend.&amp;quot;  Which is a very long way from &amp;quot;Love thine enemies&amp;quot; but that was just some liberal claptrap from about 33 AD or so.  [[User:Teresita|Banned User Teresita]] 01:50, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps and Religion == &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;It's hard to be religious when certain people aren't incinerated by bolts of lightning.&amp;quot; -- Calvin.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Gulik3|Gulik3]] 07:46, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== disgusting liberal bias  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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this article is terribly condemning of this man. this is the same kind of p.c. bias crap that made me sick of wikipedia. mr. phelps believes in the same things we all do, so why is this article against hihm? he only believes in the things that jesus taught1!1[[User:Manifestdestiny|Manifestdestiny]] 18:42, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Wrong.  At no time did Jesus ever condemn a soldier, unlike this man.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 18:49, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::but jesus did condemn homosexuals. [[User:Cryingeagles39|Cryingeagles39]] 12:51, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Jesus told everyone in plain terms that if they continued to sin, they would not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.  His message in the Gospels was that everyone should repent.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:06, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Exactly. Jesus never specifically mentioned homosexuality in the gospels, but he did do what Karajou mentioned, which would encompass all types of sin, including homosexuality.  [[User:DanH|DanH]] 15:20, 5 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*I do know Jesus commanded that we not judge, or we would be.  --[[User:TK|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Sysop-&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;TK]] &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:12, 25 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== God Hates Canada ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Didn't Phelps also light a flag on fire in the middle of an airport, thus causing his arrest? [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I haven't heard about this! Do you have a link? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 18:44, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.holysmoke.org/hs02/phelps3.htm] is the best I can find. I was wrong, I guess. Seems he didn't actually get around to torching the flag. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:03, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nevermind... &amp;quot;When WBC members did in fact actually burn the Canadian flag in religious protest to Canada's approval of same-sex marriage, the so-called Christians of Canada were the loudest in denouncing WBC and &amp;quot;widely reviling&amp;quot; her Gospel message.&amp;quot; That's from his God Hates Canada page. Appears I was mistaken about the airport thing, though. [[User:Kazumaru|Kazumaru]] 19:09, 13 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Phelps And The Democratic Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone please get rid of this header at the bottom of the page? Seems a bit of a stretch to me. --[[User:Ouzo|Ouzo]] 14:35, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think we've addressed your concerns. [http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={91058469-F6DE-4615-8B2A-73CDF3E8FCAC} The &amp;quot;God Hates Fags&amp;quot; Left].  [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 16:06, 11 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Authoritarianism</title>
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&lt;div&gt;Authoritarianism is an [[ideology]] that affirms that individual rights and liberties do not matter and that the decisions of how society should be run should be left to a single [[dictator]] or a small group of elites. Authoritarianism comes in three forms, fascism, communism, and religious fundamentalism.&lt;br /&gt;
[[category:government]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Burma</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: /* References */&lt;/p&gt;
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| Capital:&lt;br /&gt;
| Pyinmana &lt;br /&gt;
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| Official Language:&lt;br /&gt;
| Burmese&lt;br /&gt;
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| Population:&lt;br /&gt;
| 48,798,000 (2007)&lt;br /&gt;
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| Land area:&lt;br /&gt;
| 261,227 sq. mi.&lt;br /&gt;
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| Government:&lt;br /&gt;
| Military dictatorship&lt;br /&gt;
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| Chairman of the State Peace and Development Council:&lt;br /&gt;
| Than Shwe&lt;br /&gt;
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| Prime Minister:&lt;br /&gt;
| Soe Win&lt;br /&gt;
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| Acting Prime Minister:&lt;br /&gt;
| Thein Sein&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
'''Burma''' (or ''Myanmar'') is a country in southeast [[Asia]] run by a pro-[[China]] military [[Junta]] widely condemned for [[human rights]] abuses.&lt;br /&gt;
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The new regime renamed the country '''Myanmar''' and moved the capital from [[Rangoon]] to Pyinmana in remote mountain region. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4416960.stm Burma's confusing capital move] &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The [[United States]] and [[Great Britain]] have never recognized the Junta's renaming of the country on the grounds it is not the legally constituted government.&lt;br /&gt;
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==History==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Britain]] conquered Burma over a period of 62 years (1824-1886) and incorporated it into its [[Indian Empire]]. Burma was administered as a province of [[India]] until 1937 when it became a separate, self-governing colony; independence from the Commonwealth was attained in 1948. General Ne Win dominated the government from 1962 to 1988, first as military ruler, then as self-appointed president, and later as political kingpin. &lt;br /&gt;
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Despite multiparty legislative elections in 1990 that resulted in the main opposition party - the National League for Democracy (NLD) - winning a landslide victory, the ruling junta refused to hand over power. NLD leader and [[Nobel Peace Prize]] recipient [[Aung San Suu Kyi]], who was under house arrest from 1989 to 1995 and 2000 to 2002, was imprisoned in May 2003 and subsequently transferred to house arrest, where she remains virtually incommunicado. In February 2006, the junta extended her detention for another year. Her supporters, as well as all those who promote democracy and improved human rights, are routinely harassed or jailed.&lt;br /&gt;
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In September 2007, monks and other protesters paraded through the streets for over 9 days before the government ordered them to disperse.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is severely censured by groups from [[ASEAN]] &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3085819.stm &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and [[Amnesty International]] &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/mmr-summary-eng&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; for its [[human rights]] abuses, ranging from forced labour, to a campaign of oppression and what some claim amounts to [[genocide]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.ibiblio.org/obl/docs3/Horton-2005.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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The country contains most of the [[Karen]] people, an ethnic group which has been fighting for independence since 1949.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Economy==&lt;br /&gt;
Burma, a resource-rich country, suffers from pervasive government controls, inefficient [[economic]] policies, and rural poverty. The junta took steps in the early 1990s to liberalize the economy after decades of failure under the &amp;quot;Burmese Way to Socialism,&amp;quot; but those efforts stalled, and some of the liberalization measures were rescinded. Lacking monetary or fiscal stability, the economy suffers from serious macroeconomic imbalances - including rising inflation, fiscal deficits, multiple official exchange rates that overvalue the Burmese kyat, a distorted interest rate regime, unreliable statistics, and an inability to reconcile national accounts to determine a realistic GDP figure. Most overseas development assistance ceased after the junta began to suppress the democracy movement in 1988 and subsequently refused to honor the results of the 1990 legislative elections. In response to the government of Burma's attack in May 2003 on Aung San Suu Kyi and her convoy, the US imposed new economic sanctions in August 2003 against Burma - including a ban on imports of Burmese products and a ban on provision of financial services by US persons. Further, a poor investment climate hampers attracting outside investment slowing the inflow of foreign exchange. The most productive sectors will continue to be in extractive industries, especially oil and gas, mining, and timber with the latter especially causing environmental degradation. Other areas, such as manufacturing and services, are struggling with inadequate infrastructure, unpredictable import/export policies, deteriorating health and education systems, and endemic corruption. A major banking crisis in 2003 shuttered the country's 20 private banks and disrupted the economy. As of 2006, the largest private banks operate under tight restrictions limiting the private sector's access to formal credit. Official statistics are inaccurate. Published statistics on foreign trade are greatly understated because of the size of the black market and unofficial border trade - often estimated to be as large as the official economy. Though the Burmese government has good economic relations with its neighbors, better investment and business climates and an improved political situation are needed to promote serious foreign investment, exports, and tourism.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Human trafficking==&lt;br /&gt;
Burma is a source country for men, women, and children trafficked to East and Southeast Asia for sexual exploitation, domestic service, and forced commercial labor; a significant number of victims are economic migrants who wind up in forced or bonded labor and forced prostitution; to a lesser extent, Burma is a country of transit and destination for women trafficked from China for sexual exploitation; internal trafficking of persons occurs primarily for labor in industrial zones and agricultural estates; internal trafficking of women and girls for sexual exploitation occurs from villages to urban centers and other areas; the military junta's economic mismanagement, human rights abuses, and policy of using forced labor are driving factors behind Burma(Myanmar)'s large trafficking problem.  Burma does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of human trafficking and is not making significant efforts to do so.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Illicit drugs==&lt;br /&gt;
Burma remains world's second largest producer of illicit opium with an estimated production in 2005 of 380 metric tons, up 13% from 2004 and cultivation in 2005 was 40,000 hectares, a 10% increase from 2004; the decline in opium production in the United Wa State Army's areas of greatest control was more than offset by increases in south and east Shan state; lack of government will to take on major narcotrafficking groups and lack of serious commitment against money laundering continues to hinder the overall anti drug effort; major source of methamphetamine and heroin for regional consumption; currently under Financial Action Task Force countermeasures due to continued failure to address its inadequate money-laundering controls (2005).&lt;br /&gt;
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== Political Unrest/Democracy Movement ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Burma uprising}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Relations with China==&lt;br /&gt;
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China has provided Burma with substantial military, economic, and infrastructure&lt;br /&gt;
development assistance. According to a reported internal Department of Defense&lt;br /&gt;
(DOD) document, China is building naval bases in Burma that will give China its&lt;br /&gt;
only access to the Indian Ocean.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.kachinpost.com/article2005/jan18.html China Builds up Strategic Sea Lanes], ''[[Washington Times]]'', January 18, 2005. Retrieved from the Kachin Post, October 12, 2007.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; These close relations are one explanation the Peoples Republic of China on January 12, 2007, vetoed a U.S.-sponsored U.N. Security Council resolution criticizing Burma’s [[human rights]] record. The veto was only the fifth that China has ever exercised in the [[U.N. Security Council]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Asian Countries]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Dictatorships]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Uzbekistan</title>
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'''Uzbekistan ''' is a country in [[Central Asia]], a member of the Commonwealth of Independent States, and a former Soviet Socialist Republic. Its capitol is [[Tashkent]]. The president is Islom Karimov.&lt;br /&gt;
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Uzbekistan shares borders with [[Kazakhstan]], [[Kyrgyzstan]], [[Turkmenistan]] and [[Afghanistan]].  The ethnic populations of Uzbekistan include Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Tadjiks, Russians, Tatars and Koreans.  The most common languages are Uzbek, Russian, Tadjik and Karakalpak. Uzbekistan is an important ally in the war on terror and there are American bases in the country which are used to attack the Taliban in Afghanistan.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is a very repressive country accused of various human rights violations including boiling people alive [http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/uzb-summary-eng][http://193.194.138.190/Huridocda/Huridoca.nsf/0/29d0f1eaf87cf3eac1256ce9005a0170?Opendocument].&lt;br /&gt;
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== Notable Features==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Aral Sea ===&lt;br /&gt;
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In the north west tip of Uzbekistan lies the [[Aral Sea]].  The largest city in this area is Nukus which was described in the Lonely Planet guide as the saddest place on earth.  This is due to the rapidly shrinking water supply of the Aral Sea.  The sea is also heavily polluted due to weapons testing.  &lt;br /&gt;
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=== Ferghana Valley ===&lt;br /&gt;
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The most fertile and heavily populated area of Uzbekistan.  Prominent cities include the historical city [[Kokand]] that was once the capital of the Kokand Dynasty and Ferghana, a very Russian city.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Ancient cities ===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Samarkand]], [[Bukhara]] and [[Khiva]] are famous ancient cities of Uzbekistan.  &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Asian Countries]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Former Soviet Countries]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Dictatorships]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>MichaelM</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Authoritarianism&amp;diff=316094</id>
		<title>Talk:Authoritarianism</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Authoritarianism&amp;diff=316094"/>
		<updated>2007-10-14T20:38:55Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: New page: why does my page keep getting reverted. Authoritarianism comes in two flavours, right and left wing. --~~~~&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;why does my page keep getting reverted. Authoritarianism comes in two flavours, right and left wing. --[[User:MichaelM|MichaelM]] 16:38, 14 October 2007 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>MichaelM</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Authoritarianism&amp;diff=316091</id>
		<title>Authoritarianism</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Authoritarianism&amp;diff=316091"/>
		<updated>2007-10-14T20:37:25Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: revert vandalism&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Authoritarianism is an [[ideology]] that affirms that individual rights and liberties do not matter and that the decisions of how society should be run should be left to a single [[dictator]] or a small group of elites whether corporate (right-wing authoritarianism) or government (left-wing authoritarinism). Authoritarianism has been responsible millions of deaths whether in the form of fascism, communism, or religious fundamentalism. The worst authoritarians today include the right wing authoritarians of [[Saudi Arabia]] and [[Uzbekistan]] and the left wing authoritarians of [[North Korea]] and [[Zimbabwe]].&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>MichaelM</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Saudi_Arabia&amp;diff=316090</id>
		<title>Saudi Arabia</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Saudi_Arabia&amp;diff=316090"/>
		<updated>2007-10-14T20:36:42Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Country&lt;br /&gt;
|name           ='''المملكة العربية السعودية'''&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;'''al-Mamlaka al-‘Arabiyya as-Su’ūdiyya''' &lt;br /&gt;
|map	        =Saudi arabia rel 2003.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|flag	        =Flag of Saudi Arabia.png&lt;br /&gt;
|arms	        =Arms of Saudi Arabia.png&lt;br /&gt;
|capital	=Riyadh&lt;br /&gt;
|capital-raw	=[[Riyadh|ar-Riyād]]&lt;br /&gt;
|government	=Absolute Monarchy&lt;br /&gt;
|government-raw	=&lt;br /&gt;
|language	=Arabic&lt;br /&gt;
|king	        =Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud&lt;br /&gt;
|queen	        =&lt;br /&gt;
|monarch-raw	=&lt;br /&gt;
|president	=&lt;br /&gt;
|president-raw	=&lt;br /&gt;
|chancellor	=&lt;br /&gt;
|chancellor-raw	=&lt;br /&gt;
|pm	        =&lt;br /&gt;
|pm-raw	        =&lt;br /&gt;
|area	        =829,996 sq mi&lt;br /&gt;
|pop	        =24,000,000&lt;br /&gt;
|pop-basis	=&lt;br /&gt;
|gdp	        =$446 billion&lt;br /&gt;
|gdp-year	=2007&lt;br /&gt;
|gdp-pc	        =$21,200&lt;br /&gt;
|currency	=Riyal&lt;br /&gt;
|idd		=&lt;br /&gt;
|tld            =&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia''' (''al-Mamlaka al-ʻArabiyya as-Suʻūdiyya'', '''المملكة العربية السعودية''', also '''Saudi Arabia''' or '''KSA''') is a large country on the Arabian peninsula. Ruled by The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King [[Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud]], The country is one of the few absolute monarchies left in the world. [[Shari'a]] (Islamic jurisprudence) is the official law of the Kingdom. The Kingdom was first declared on 8 January 1926 by [[Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud]], and was brought together on 22 September 1932.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Saudi Arabia is mostly a desert country, but it is rich in [[oil]] and date palms.  Desalination plants have made the kingdom a major exporter of wheat.  Foreign workers are plentiful and the citizens enjoy a number of socialized gifts.  The kingdom is also ruled with an iron fist. People will get their hands chopped off for stealing, alcohol is illegal, and women are not allowed to drive. Despite Saudi Arabia's repuation for being one of the most oppressive governments in the world, the United States maintains a close relationship with them and they are one of America's biggest allies in the Middle East after Israel&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cfr.org/publication/10728/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bcdf.jpg|right|Masjid Nabawi, Medina, Saudi Arabia|thumb|200px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SaudiArabiaWorldMap.png|right||200px|thumb|World View Geo Location of Saudi Arabia]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Arab-American Oil Corporation ([[ARAMCO]]), through U.S. Secretary of the Interior [[Harold Ickes]], got U.S. President [[Franklin Roosevelt]] to agree to [[Lend Lease]] aid to Saudi Arabia, which would involve the U.S. government in Saudi Arabia and create protection for the interests of ARAMCO. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/Petroleum/kuniholm.htm &amp;quot;American Oil Interests in the Near East,&amp;quot;] in Bruce R. Kuniholm, The Origins of the Cold War in the Near East: Great Power Conflict and Diplomacy in Iran, Turkey, and Greece (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1980), Chapter III, &amp;quot;The Iranian Context,&amp;quot; pp. 178-192.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Religious Intolerance==&lt;br /&gt;
As an Islamic country under Islamic law, Saudi Arabia has little of the religious freedom common in the west.  For instance even tourists can not bring a [[Bible]] or a [[Star of David]] into the country or risk having them confiscated.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Christian Examiner, Sept. 2007, Vol 25, No 9, Pg. 20&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Noteable Saudi Arabians==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Osama Bin Laden]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Alsaud]]: ranked 11th richest person in the world by USAToday in 2002.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/02/28/forbes.htm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== See also ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ramadan]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Arab American]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;References/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Asian Countries]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Middle Eastern Countries]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Dictatorships]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>MichaelM</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Saudi_Arabia&amp;diff=316089</id>
		<title>Saudi Arabia</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Saudi_Arabia&amp;diff=316089"/>
		<updated>2007-10-14T20:36:31Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Country&lt;br /&gt;
|name           ='''المملكة العربية السعودية'''&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;'''al-Mamlaka al-‘Arabiyya as-Su’ūdiyya''' &lt;br /&gt;
|map	        =Saudi arabia rel 2003.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|flag	        =Flag of Saudi Arabia.png&lt;br /&gt;
|arms	        =Arms of Saudi Arabia.png&lt;br /&gt;
|capital	=Riyadh&lt;br /&gt;
|capital-raw	=[[Riyadh|ar-Riyād]]&lt;br /&gt;
|government	=Absolute Monarchy&lt;br /&gt;
|government-raw	=&lt;br /&gt;
|language	=Arabic&lt;br /&gt;
|king	        =Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud&lt;br /&gt;
|queen	        =&lt;br /&gt;
|monarch-raw	=&lt;br /&gt;
|president	=&lt;br /&gt;
|president-raw	=&lt;br /&gt;
|chancellor	=&lt;br /&gt;
|chancellor-raw	=&lt;br /&gt;
|pm	        =&lt;br /&gt;
|pm-raw	        =&lt;br /&gt;
|area	        =829,996 sq mi&lt;br /&gt;
|pop	        =24,000,000&lt;br /&gt;
|pop-basis	=&lt;br /&gt;
|gdp	        =$446 billion&lt;br /&gt;
|gdp-year	=2007&lt;br /&gt;
|gdp-pc	        =$21,200&lt;br /&gt;
|currency	=Riyal&lt;br /&gt;
|idd		=&lt;br /&gt;
|tld            =&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia''' (''al-Mamlaka al-ʻArabiyya as-Suʻūdiyya'', '''المملكة العربية السعودية''', also '''Saudi Arabia''' or '''KSA''') is a large country on the Arabian peninsula. Ruled by The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King [[Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud]], The country is one of the few absolute monarchies left in the world. [[Shari'a]] (Islamic jurisprudence) is the official law of the Kingdom. The Kingdom was first declared on 8 January 1926 by [[Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud]], and was brought together on 22 September 1932.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Saudi Arabia is mostly a desert country, but it is rich in [[oil]] and date palms.  Desalination plants have made the kingdom a major exporter of wheat.  Foreign workers are plentiful and the citizens enjoy a number of socialized gifts.  The kingdom is also ruled with an iron fist. People will get their hands chopped off for stealing, alcohol is illegal, and women are not allowed to drive. Despite Saudi Arabia's repuation for being one of the most oppressive governments in the world, the United States maintains a close relationship with them and they are one of America's biggest allies in the Middle East after Israel&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cfr.org/publication/10728/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bcdf.jpg|right|Masjid Nabawi, Medina, Saudi Arabia|thumb|200px]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SaudiArabiaWorldMap.png|right||200px|thumb|World View Geo Location of Saudi Arabia]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Arab-American Oil Corporation ([[ARAMCO]]), through U.S. Secretary of the Interior [[Harold Ickes]], got U.S. President [[Franklin Roosevelt]] to agree to [[Lend Lease]] aid to Saudi Arabia, which would involve the U.S. government in Saudi Arabia and create protection for the interests of ARAMCO. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/Petroleum/kuniholm.htm &amp;quot;American Oil Interests in the Near East,&amp;quot;] in Bruce R. Kuniholm, The Origins of the Cold War in the Near East: Great Power Conflict and Diplomacy in Iran, Turkey, and Greece (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 1980), Chapter III, &amp;quot;The Iranian Context,&amp;quot; pp. 178-192.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Religious Intolerance==&lt;br /&gt;
As an Islamic country under Islamic law, Saudi Arabia has little of the religious freedom common in the west.  For instance even tourists can not bring a [[Bible]] or a [[Star of David]] into the country or risk having them confiscated.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Christian Examiner, Sept. 2007, Vol 25, No 9, Pg. 20&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Noteable Saudi Arabians==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Osama Bin Laden]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Alsaud]]: ranked 11th richest person in the world by USAToday in 2002.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/02/28/forbes.htm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== See also ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ramadan]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Arab American]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;References/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Asian Countries]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Middle Eastern Countries]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Dictatorships&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>MichaelM</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Authoritarianism&amp;diff=316087</id>
		<title>Authoritarianism</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Authoritarianism&amp;diff=316087"/>
		<updated>2007-10-14T20:33:34Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: revert vandalism&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Authoritarianism is an [[ideology]] that affirms that individual rights and liberties do not matter and that the decisions of how society should be run should be left to a single [[dictator]] or a small group of elites whether corporate (right-wing authoritarianism) or government (left-wing authoritarinism). Authoritarianism has been responsible millions of deaths whether in the form of fascism, communism, or religious fundamentalism. The worst authoritarians today include the right wing authoritarians of [[Saudi Arabia]] and [[Uzbekistan]] and the left wing authoritarians of [[North Korea]] and [[Zimbabwe]].&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>MichaelM</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Authoritarianism&amp;diff=316085</id>
		<title>Authoritarianism</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Authoritarianism&amp;diff=316085"/>
		<updated>2007-10-14T20:31:44Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Authoritarianism is an [[ideology]] that affirms that individual rights and liberties do not matter and that the decisions of how society should be run should be left to a single [[dictator]] or a small group of elites whether corporate (right-wing authoritarianism) or government (left-wing authoritarinism). Authoritarianism has been responsible millions of deaths whether in the form of fascism, communism, or religious fundamentalism. The worst authoritarians today include the right wing authoritarians of [[Saudi Arabia]] and [[Uzbekistan]] and the left wing authoritarians of [[North Korea]] and [[Zimbabwe]].&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>MichaelM</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Hugo_Chavez&amp;diff=316081</id>
		<title>Talk:Hugo Chavez</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Hugo_Chavez&amp;diff=316081"/>
		<updated>2007-10-14T20:30:31Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: /* Thanks */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;This page appears fine to me.  Citations are needed throughout the article, but as far as everything else goes, I approve. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 05:18, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Uribe is a dictator too==&lt;br /&gt;
I think that Uribe should be considered a dictator, he shows little regard to human rights and supports paramilitary death squads.&lt;br /&gt;
== Thanks ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'll get to work on some citations, but thankyou for accepting it, It's good to see some objectivity on this site. =)&lt;br /&gt;
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==This article is surprisingly neutral==&lt;br /&gt;
I'm impressed that this article is surprisingly neutral towards Chavez, I figured it would call him a totalitarian communist.--[[User:DemocraticSocialist|DemocraticSocialist]] 11:50, 20 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:He's more of a '''greedy''' communist robber baron.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:36, 20 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
It must be liberal subversion hahahaha--[[User:DemocraticSocialist|DemocraticSocialist]] 11:51, 20 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Sorry to burst the bubble. He has been referred to as a dictator [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:AboutC&amp;amp;oldid=139640 here]. Have patience this article will eventually follow suit. [[User:Auld Nick|Auld Nick]] 11:59, 20 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I knew it was too good to be true. While Castro is a dictator, Chavez who was elected by almost two thirds of the population is clearly not --[[User:DemocraticSocialist|DemocraticSocialist]] 14:58, 20 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:We're waiting for Castro to die before her passes the baton.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:27, 20 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
==Dictator!!!!????==&lt;br /&gt;
How can someone who is democratically elected be referred to as a dictator --[[User:ScandalousHegemony|ScandalousHegemony]] 23:57, 23 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:How about that Hitler guy in 1933?  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 21:16, 30 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::...Who was not democratically elected. --&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0000CC&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;Comic Sans MS&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:Hojimachong|'''Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ''']]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;00FFAA&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 21:17, 30 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::  Maybe the question should be, &amp;quot;how can someone who continues to hold democratic elections at the frequency prescribed in the nations constitution (Like Mr. Chavez for example) be called a dictator?&amp;quot; The answer to that question is, he cannot. Because he isn't.  Like it or not, Hugo Chavez is the democraticly elected leader of a democratic country and any suggestion that he is a dictator is little more than an insult to democracy. How can this website call Chavez a Dictator, but not someone like General [[Pinochet]] of Chile??? This 'encyclopedia' gets progressively more ridiculous by the day. Unless someone either 'locks this page for editing' or gives me some very good evidence to suggest that I am wrong about Mr. Chavez and his democratic government I will delete the word 'Dictator' from this entry.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::: Oh look, how suprising. It's already been locked. That's it. I've had enough of Conservapedia. You have to look less hard to find the truth in UNcyclopedia than Conservapedia. At least they admit they are a comedy parody of the truth. And at least they dont get all angry because I choose to spell suprising with an 's' instead of a 'z'. &lt;br /&gt;
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It doesn't matter how he got into power, especially if he significantly increases his power while in office. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 21:19, 30 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Chavez does not have a record of increasing his power, merely changing the economy to having a socialist slant. --&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0000CC&amp;quot; face=&amp;quot;Comic Sans MS&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:Hojimachong|'''Ĥøĵĭmåçħôńğ''']]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;00FFAA&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 21:21, 30 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::*actually, he does [http://www.mywire.com/pubs/ForeignPolicy/2006/01/01/1111144/print].  Chavez is an autocrat.[[User:Bohdan|Богдан]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Bohdan|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 21:28, 30 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I used to have neighbors from Venezuela whose relatives were on Chavez's hit list. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 21:28, 30 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== chavez IS NOT a dictator ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
you conservatives all suck. how can someone who was democratically elected be considered&lt;br /&gt;
a dictator? you are all a bunch of imperialist fascists!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Irony ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Guys, you lost me at &amp;quot;Repressive Dictator&amp;quot;. Can you really not see the irony in this skewed, worthless article namecalling democratically elected foreign (to you) leaders?. Someone please kill this article as it is embarassed by it's own existence.&lt;br /&gt;
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Can anyone actually explain the point of this article; a blinkered, one sided repressive waste of time projecting its own ignorance onto others. Really there is no point to it. {{unsigned|Mrivpond}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== What a disgrace. ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
How can anyone seriously type that he is a repressive dictator? He was democratically election every single time, his new bid to remove term limits is being done by REFERENDUM.. are you guys on something, how is he a dictator in '''ANY WAY'''?&lt;br /&gt;
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And don't get me started on this RCTV stuff, he closed it down because it actively called for a violent revolution against him, and then when that actually occured and an ACTUAL DICTATORSHIP was put in place, it just ran anti-Chavez ads the entire time, then when the dictatorship was crumbling as the people fought back to put Chavez back in, instead of running actual news saying this, it showed dramas like the Bold and the Beautiful. And so when it came around the renewing the liscence for it, he refused. '''ANY COUNTRY WOULD DO THIS''', If there was a television channel in the United States actively calling for a violent revolution against the US government and falsifying news, what do you think the US government would do? The exact same. PLUS, RCTV can still be viewed on cable television.&lt;br /&gt;
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It also is in ''no way'' the only anti-Chavez media source in the country, most media in the country are hostile to Chavez. [[User:Pallawish]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>MichaelM</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Alvaro_Uribe&amp;diff=316077</id>
		<title>Alvaro Uribe</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Alvaro_Uribe&amp;diff=316077"/>
		<updated>2007-10-14T20:28:01Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: remove POV&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''Alvaro Uribe Velez''' (July 4th, 1952 - ) is the repressive [[right]]ist [[dictator]] of the Republic of [[Colombia]].  Alvaro Uribe was born in Medellin, capital of the department of Antioquia in Colombia.  Uribe holds a degree in law from the Universidad de Antioquia and a post-graduate degree in Management and Administration from Harvard University. From 1998 to 1999 after being awarded the [[Simon Bolivar]] fellowship by the British Council in Bogotá, he worked as an associate professor at Oxford University. He has maintained a steadfast alliance with the United States. Urbie was elected as President in 2002 and re-elected in 2006, by large majorities. President Uribe and his government have been linked to right wing death squads which operate throughout the countryside, killing suspected insurgents as well as innocent peasants [http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/05/16/Colombia.Watergate.reut/index.html].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early career==&lt;br /&gt;
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In 1976 he became head of the Real Estate Department of the city of Medellín's Public Works.  From 1977 to 1978 he was Secretary General of the Labor Ministry and from 1980 to 1982, head of the Department of Civil Aeronautics. He was the mayor of his native city of Medellín in 1982 and later, from 1984 to 1986, he was elected as city counselor.&lt;br /&gt;
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Uribe was elected governor of the department of Antioquia for the 1995-1997 period, during which he developed a model of communal participation in key government decisions such as the creation of new jobs, education, the granting of official state contracts and public safety, which he called Community State.  During his term as governor, Alvaro Uribe sized down the number of government jobs by 34% and the number of official vehicles by 35%. Such savings in government spending meant schooling for 103,000 new students. As governor he also devised a program by which, 40,000 people received training in the peaceful negotiation of conflicts.  200,000 of Antioquia's poor became eligible for free health care under the nation's subsidized health insurance System.&lt;br /&gt;
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Uribe was also responsible for the paving of 939 kilometers of roads. More than double the amount of paved roads in all of Antioquia's history. And extensive repair work was done on the roads which link Antioquia with the nation's capital, Bogotá. The number of kidnapping cases in the department, went down by 60% thanks to the cooperation of the community with the local authorities.&lt;br /&gt;
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He was elected Senator for the periods 1986-1990 and 1990-1994, terms during which he received the Star Senator, Senator with the Best Programs and Best Senator awards.&lt;br /&gt;
==Situation in Colombia==&lt;br /&gt;
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Uribe was democratically elected with 62 per cent of the vote and has built roads and lowered crime rates in major cities.  He has been harshly criticized by human rights groups for alleged violations of human rights. There are accusations that Uribe has personal connections to the United Self-Defence group of Colombia (AUC) terrorist group. The Colombian military is known to work hand-in-hand with this terrorist group because they share a common enemy, the leftist terrorist group [[Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia]] (FARC) &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=96 Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)], Retrieved from the Terrorism Knowledge Base, June 4 2007.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. Protestors in Washington and Bogota have leveled harsh criticism at Uribe and his regime. They allege of around 400 unionist killed in Colombia, there have been 10 convictions so far.[http://colombiaherald.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/demonstrators-in-washington-call-uribe-an-assassin-pictures/]. Amnesty International in a statement acknowledged, &amp;quot;undoubtedly, Colombia is facing an extremely difficult situation due to the action of armed groups refusing to respect international humanitarian law and to acknowledge the right of the civilian population to stay out of the hostilities&amp;quot; but &amp;quot;expressed dismay for the measures adopted to guarantee greater security are being aime at others whose security against abuses of power maybe undermined.&amp;quot; [http://web.amnesty.org/web/content.nsf/pages/gbr_colombia].&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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==Source==&lt;br /&gt;
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*http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/world/americas/21colombia.html?ex=1327035600&amp;amp;en=ad8d53a3750a2092&amp;amp;ei=5088&amp;amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;amp;emc=rss&lt;br /&gt;
*http://web.amnesty.org/web/content.nsf/pages/gbr_colombia&lt;br /&gt;
*http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/05/16/Colombia.Watergate.reut/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Alvaro Uribe</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;MichaelM: whats good for Chavez is good for Uribe&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''Alvaro Uribe Velez''' (July 4th, 1952 - ) is the repressive [[right]]ist [[dictator]] of the Republic of [[Colombia]].  Alvaro Uribe was born in Medellin, capital of the department of Antioquia in Colombia.  Uribe holds a degree in law from the Universidad de Antioquia and a post-graduate degree in Management and Administration from Harvard University. From 1998 to 1999 after being awarded the [[Simon Bolivar]] fellowship by the British Council in Bogotá, he worked as an associate professor at Oxford University. He is perhaps the greatest president in ''modern'' Colombian history {{fact}} and has maintained a steadfast alliance with the United States. Urbie was elected as President in 2002 and re-elected in 2006, by large majorities. President Uribe and his government have been linked to right wing death squads which operate throughout the countryside, killing suspected insurgents as well as innocent peasants [http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/05/16/Colombia.Watergate.reut/index.html].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early career==&lt;br /&gt;
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In 1976 he became head of the Real Estate Department of the city of Medellín's Public Works.  From 1977 to 1978 he was Secretary General of the Labor Ministry and from 1980 to 1982, head of the Department of Civil Aeronautics. He was the mayor of his native city of Medellín in 1982 and later, from 1984 to 1986, he was elected as city counselor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Uribe was elected governor of the department of Antioquia for the 1995-1997 period, during which he developed a model of communal participation in key government decisions such as the creation of new jobs, education, the granting of official state contracts and public safety, which he called Community State.  During his term as governor, Alvaro Uribe sized down the number of government jobs by 34% and the number of official vehicles by 35%. Such savings in government spending meant schooling for 103,000 new students. As governor he also devised a program by which, 40,000 people received training in the peaceful negotiation of conflicts.  200,000 of Antioquia's poor became eligible for free health care under the nation's subsidized health insurance System.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Uribe was also responsible for the paving of 939 kilometers of roads. More than double the amount of paved roads in all of Antioquia's history. And extensive repair work was done on the roads which link Antioquia with the nation's capital, Bogotá. The number of kidnapping cases in the department, went down by 60% thanks to the cooperation of the community with the local authorities.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He was elected Senator for the periods 1986-1990 and 1990-1994, terms during which he received the Star Senator, Senator with the Best Programs and Best Senator awards.&lt;br /&gt;
==Situation in Colombia==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Uribe was democratically elected with 62 per cent of the vote and has built roads and lowered crime rates in major cities.  He has been harshly criticized by human rights groups for alleged violations of human rights. There are accusations that Uribe has personal connections to the United Self-Defence group of Colombia (AUC) terrorist group. The Colombian military is known to work hand-in-hand with this terrorist group because they share a common enemy, the leftist terrorist group [[Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia]] (FARC) &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=96 Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)], Retrieved from the Terrorism Knowledge Base, June 4 2007.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. Protestors in Washington and Bogota have leveled harsh criticism at Uribe and his regime. They allege of around 400 unionist killed in Colombia, there have been 10 convictions so far.[http://colombiaherald.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/demonstrators-in-washington-call-uribe-an-assassin-pictures/]. Amnesty International in a statement acknowledged, &amp;quot;undoubtedly, Colombia is facing an extremely difficult situation due to the action of armed groups refusing to respect international humanitarian law and to acknowledge the right of the civilian population to stay out of the hostilities&amp;quot; but &amp;quot;expressed dismay for the measures adopted to guarantee greater security are being aime at others whose security against abuses of power maybe undermined.&amp;quot; [http://web.amnesty.org/web/content.nsf/pages/gbr_colombia].&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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==Source==&lt;br /&gt;
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*http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/world/americas/21colombia.html?ex=1327035600&amp;amp;en=ad8d53a3750a2092&amp;amp;ei=5088&amp;amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;amp;emc=rss&lt;br /&gt;
*http://web.amnesty.org/web/content.nsf/pages/gbr_colombia&lt;br /&gt;
*http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/05/16/Colombia.Watergate.reut/index.html&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Heads of state]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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