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		<title>Liberal</title>
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Liberal Brain.jpg|thumb|450px|top|&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;A satirical conception of the liberal brain.&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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A '''liberal''' (also '''leftist''') is someone who rejects logical and biblical standards, often for self-centered reasons.  There are no coherent liberal standards; often a liberal is merely someone who craves attention, and who uses many words to say nothing.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;As one liberal website candidly observes, &amp;quot;Obama is a shallow narcissist, not a believer in any cause higher than himself. Every American president has had a healthy ego, but none has ever been as purely motivated by vanity as the childishly self-loving [[Barack Obama]].&amp;quot;[http://www.opednews.com/articles/Barack-Obama-s-ego-driven-by-Christopher-Calder-091210-804.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Liberalism began as a movement for individual liberties, but today is increasingly [[statist]] and, as in Europe, [[socialist]]ic.&lt;br /&gt;
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A liberal generally supports many of the following political positions and practices:&lt;br /&gt;
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* Taxpayer-funded and/or legalized [[abortion]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Censorship]] of teacher-lead [[prayer]] in classrooms and school sponsored events&lt;br /&gt;
* Support for [[gun control]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Support of obscenity and pornography as a [[First Amendment]] right&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The [[Warren Court]], led by [[liberal]] Justices [[William O. Douglas]], [[Hugo Black]], [[Abe Fortas]], [[William Brennan]] and Chief Justice [[Earl Warren]] issued 36 decisions granting [[First Amendment]] rights to obscenity and pornography. These decisions remain fully supported by liberals today.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Income redistribution]], usually through progressive taxation&lt;br /&gt;
* Government-rationed medical care, such as [[Universal Health Care]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Taxpayer-funded and government-controlled [[public education]]&lt;br /&gt;
* The denial of inherent [[gender differences]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Insisting that men and women be placed in the same jobs in the [[military]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Legalized [[same-sex marriage]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Implementation of [[affirmative action]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Political correctness]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Support of [[labor union]]s&lt;br /&gt;
* Teaching acceptance of promiscuity through sexual &amp;quot;education&amp;quot; rather than teaching [[abstinence]] from sex.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286671,00.html Democrats Aim To Kill Abstinence-Only Program Funding], [[Fox News]], Monday, June 25, 2007&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* A &amp;quot;[[living Constitution]]&amp;quot; that is reinterpreted as liberals prefer, rather than how it was intended&lt;br /&gt;
* Government programs to [[rehabilitate criminals]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Abolition of the death penalty&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Environmentalism]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Greenpeace]], for example.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Disarmament treaties]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Globalism]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Opposition to the [[Bible]].&lt;br /&gt;
* Opposition to an interventionalist American foreign policy &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Stefaan Walgrave and Joris Verhulst, [http://nicomedia.math.upatras.gr/conf/CAWM2003/Papers/Verhulst.pdf The February 15 Worldwide Protests against a War in Iraq: An Empirical Test of Transnational Opportunities. Outline of a Research Programme](PDF).&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Opposition to full private property rights&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;For example, the liberal wing of the [[U.S. Supreme Court]] issued the 5-4 [[Kelo v. City of New London]] decision authorizing the taking of private property by government in order to give the property to another private entity rather than convert it to a public use.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Reinstating the [[Fairness Doctrine]]&lt;br /&gt;
* In 2005, it was reported by CBS News that [[Theory of evolution and liberalism|liberals were the most likely supporters of the theory of evolution]]. The theory of [[evolution]] is a key component of [[atheistic]] ideologies in the [[Western World]]. &lt;br /&gt;
* Opposition to domestic wire-tapping as authorized in the [[Patriot Act]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Opposition of [[Operation Iraqi Freedom]], a major part of the [[War on Terrorism]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;The long romance of Western leftists with some of the bloodiest regimes and political movements in history is a story not told often enough ....&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; [http://www.city-journal.org/2009/bc0605bt.html Dupes by Bruce S. Thornton], City Journal - 5 June 2009&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Liberals and Uncharitableness==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:228130875 35181424e3.jpg|thumb|right|175px|[[United States|American]] liberals give less to charity than American conservatives.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  In addition,  [[per capita]] [[atheism|atheists]] and [[agnosticism|agnostics]] in the United States [[Atheism and Uncharitableness|give significantly less to charity than theists even when church giving is not counted for theists]].[http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/12-faithspirituality/102-atheists-and-agnostics-take-aim-at-christians][http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3647/is_200310/ai_n9340592/][http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=2682730&amp;amp;page=2] ]]&lt;br /&gt;
''For more information please see'': [[Liberals and uncharitableness]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In March of 2008, [[George Will]] wrote at [[RealClearPolitics]] concerning the [[United States]]:&lt;br /&gt;
{{cquote|Sixteen months ago, Arthur C. Brooks, a professor at [[Syracuse University]], published &amp;quot;Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism.&amp;quot; The surprise is that liberals are markedly less charitable than [[conservative]]s....&lt;br /&gt;
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If many conservatives are liberals who have been mugged by reality, Brooks, a registered independent, is, as a reviewer of his book said, a social scientist who has been mugged by data. They include these findings:&lt;br /&gt;
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-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).&lt;br /&gt;
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-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Atheism|Atheists]] and [[agnosticism|agnostics]] often reject [[Bible|biblical]] [[morality]] (and therefore [[conservative Christianity]] ) and hold to [[moral relativism]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx?Page=BarnaUpdate&amp;amp;BarnaUpdateID=152&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  Therefore, it is not surprising that [[per capita]] atheists and agnostics in [[United States|America]] [[Atheism and Uncharitableness|give significantly less to charity than theists even when church giving is not counted for theists]].[http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/12-faithspirituality/102-atheists-and-agnostics-take-aim-at-christians][http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3647/is_200310/ai_n9340592/][http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=2682730&amp;amp;page=2]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Liberal politicians and uncharitableness ==&lt;br /&gt;
The political magazine the [[American Spectator]] featured an article which focused on [[liberal politicians and uncharitableness]] and the article exposed the hypocrisy of the liberal politicians it featured.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1c5_1238044128&amp;amp;c=1&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition, [[Barack Obama]] has been criticized concerning [[Barack Obama and uncharitableness|his charitable giving]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Liberals and Superstition==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:2384975035_230a0eac30.jpg‎‎|thumb|right|150px|The [[Wall Street Journal]] reported: &amp;quot;A comprehensive new study released by Baylor University yesterday, shows that [[Conservative Christianity|traditional Christian religion]] greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of [[astrology]]. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122178219865054585.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
In September of 2008, the [[Wall Street Journal]] reported:&lt;br /&gt;
{{cquote|The reality is that the [[New Atheism|New Atheist]] campaign, by discouraging [[religion]], won't create a new group of intelligent, skeptical, enlightened beings. Far from it: It might actually encourage new levels of mass superstition. And that's not a conclusion to take on faith -- it's what the empirical data tell us.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;What Americans Really Believe,&amp;quot; a comprehensive new study released by Baylor University yesterday, shows that [[Conservative Christianity|traditional Christian religion]] greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of [[astrology]]. It also shows that the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, far from being resistant to superstition, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians....&lt;br /&gt;
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This is not a new finding. In his 1983 book &amp;quot;The Whys of a Philosophical Scrivener,&amp;quot; skeptic and science writer Martin Gardner cited the decline of traditional religious belief among the better educated as one of the causes for an increase in [[pseudoscience]], cults and superstition. He referenced a 1980 study published in the magazine Skeptical Inquirer that showed irreligious college students to be by far the most likely to embrace paranormal beliefs, while born-again Christian college students were the least likely.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122178219865054585.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Liberalism in North America today ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Democrats]] and many media outlets in the [[U.S.]] are often [[liberal]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{cite web|url=http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics/biasbasics1.asp|title=Media Bias basics|publisher=Media Research Center}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Some argue that liberals typically support economic policy similar to that of [[fascism]]. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{cite web|url=http://fora.tv/2008/01/30/Liberal_Traits_of_Fascism|title=Video discussion about how modern liberalism is actually fascist by author Jonah Goldberg.}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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* Liberals claimed a monopoly on [[compassion]], [[decency]], and [[social justice]] (as defined by themselves), posing as the sole defenders of [[civic virtue]] against a horde of backwoodsmen, racists, and religious fanatics. [http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/the_disgrace_of_liberalism.html]&lt;br /&gt;
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''There's another goal, from my point of view, which is to try to lay the groundwork for a radical political force which would conceive of itself as distinctly to the left of moderate, reformist American liberals. And that has two aspects. One is to try to change that liberalism, to transform it by analysis, critique, and activism; the second is to build a radical movement which would be an autonomous force in its own right, which would be distinct from the traditional American liberal consensus. This radical part of the program involves not simply supporting the liberal students against conservative students and conservative professors, but trying to act on them, to push them to the left. It also involves trying to find and support, even trying to help create, networks of radical students in law school and of radical professors around the country — students and teachers who see themselves as wanting to go a lot further than most people want to go.'' &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; [http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&amp;amp;p=liberal+teachers&amp;amp;fr=yfp-t-501&amp;amp;fp_ip=MX&amp;amp;u=duncankennedy.net/documents/Liberal%2520Values%2520in%2520Legal%2520Education.pdf&amp;amp;w=liberal+liberals+teachers+teacher&amp;amp;d=BNZFhPReRjC1&amp;amp;icp=1&amp;amp;.intl=us Liberal Values in Legal Education] Duncan Kennedy (professor at Harvard Law School)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Liberal Rankings of Congress Members===&lt;br /&gt;
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The National Journal compiles the votes of each congress member each year and uses the information to create rankings&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/index.htm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; of how liberal each member of the United States [[Congress]] is. In addition to showing the voting records of each member and given an overall all ranking of liberalness, the National Journal also ranks congress members by liberalness in the areas of social, economic, and foreign policy.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Liberalism in Europe today==&lt;br /&gt;
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In Europe, on the other hand, parties that call themselves ''liberal'' are moderate in outlook, ranging from centre-left to centre-right, promote typically economic and business freedom. The Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.alde.eu&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; is a party of the European Parliament that represents most ''liberal'' parties from European countries. Similar policies are promoted by many ''liberal'' parties throughout the world,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.liberal-international.org/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; such as the Liberal Party of Australia.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.liberal.org.au/]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Trade unions and socialist parties often criticize politicians for promoting lower taxes on business, or more flexible hiring and firing laws, by calling them &amp;quot;liberals&amp;quot; or [[neoliberal|neoliberals]]. Thus, just as in the US, &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; may occasionally be used as a term of abuse. But when someone is called &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; in Europe, it has an entirely different meaning than in the US. In fact, the US meaning of liberal is more similar to the politics of European [[socialist]] or [[social democracy|social democratic]] parties.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.pes.org]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Historical Liberalism ==&lt;br /&gt;
In history, the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; has meant different things at different times, and was associated with individual liberty in prior centuries. In the postwar period, liberals supported government intervention in the economy and welfare state policies, as well as peaceful coexistence with the communist block, which are not liberal policies in the sense of classical liberalism. After the end of the cold war, with the demise of socialism and communism, many liberals embraced some ideas from economic neo-liberalism, and coined it the &amp;quot;Third Way&amp;quot;. In the area of national security and foreign policy liberals in the [[U.S.]] failed to define a consistent stance, even after the events of 9/11 and the beginning of the war in Iraq.  Liberals generally support affirmative action, gay marriage, and abortion.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Political liberals tend, for whatever reason, to be ardent supporters of both gay rights and pro-choice programs.&amp;quot; Greenberg and Bailey [http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Bailey/Greenberg-Bailey/Homosexual%20Eugenics.pdf]  &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Original meaning: Classical Liberalism==&lt;br /&gt;
Liberalism is a political philosophy with freedom as its core value. The term was originally applied to supporters of individual liberties and equal rights, but, in America, the term has come to represent a movement of social change that often conflicts with [[conservative]] values such as moral values and tradition.&lt;br /&gt;
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See [[Classical Liberal|Classical Liberalism]]. Compare [[Libertarianism]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Alternative meanings of 'liberal'==&lt;br /&gt;
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One definition of liberal is anything that is not conservative.  For example, the American Heritage Dictionary includes this definition of &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot;:&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &lt;br /&gt;
* Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas ...&lt;br /&gt;
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==Liberal Organizations == &lt;br /&gt;
*[[AARP|AARP - American Association of Retired People]] &lt;br /&gt;
*[[ACLU|ACLU - American Civil Liberties Union]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[AFL-CIO|AFL-CIO - American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Amnesty International|AI - Amnesty International]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Democratic National Committee]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Greenpeace]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[NARAL|NARAL - National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[NAACP|NAACP - National Association for the Advancement of Colored People]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[National Committee for an Effective Congress]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[National Education Association]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[National Organization of Women]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Planned Parenthood|Planned Parenthood Federation of America]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Progressives for Obama]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Rainbow/PUSH Coalition]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[MoveOn.org]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[A.N.S.W.E.R.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[U.S. Peace Council]]&lt;br /&gt;
Source: [http://www.politixgroup.com/lo.htm The Politix Group]&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Conservapedia:Articles about liberals|Articles about liberals]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Classical liberal]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Drinking Liberally]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Godless liberal]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Last wordism]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Essay:Liberal celebrity obsession|Liberal celebrity obsession]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Essay:Liberal Behavior on Conservapedia|Liberal Behavior on Conservapedia]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Liberal Christianity]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Liberal Democrats]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Liberal Elite]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Essay: Liberal Falsehoods|Liberal Falsehoods]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Liberal Fascism]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Liberal friendship]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Liberal Gloss]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Liberal grading]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Liberal hypocrisy]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Essay:Liberal hysteria|Liberal hysteria]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Essay:Liberal Intellectualism|Liberal Intellectualism]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Liberalism and art]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Liberal labels]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right|Liberal Lies About the American Right]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Liberal logic]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness|Liberal Mind]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Liberal Party]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Liberal supremacist]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Massachusetts liberal]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Progressives]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further Information==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Best_New_Conservative_Words#New_Liberal_Terms|New Liberal Terms]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Conservative Links]]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Debate:Why Reason?</title>
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What is Logic and Philosophy that we should depend on it? [[Science]] cannot really prove anything; what about mathematics, or Reason? What is the good of it if it's only as strong as the mortal minds who concieve it? These very sentences have been reasoned by a human mind.&lt;br /&gt;
How can anyone trust their life to anything but an absolute truth. For instance, without the Bible, you rely on reason. You reason a moral system where every person as rights and no one can infringe anyone else's rights. But how can you know whats right and wrong if you don't have a standard? What's so special about Logic that makes it infalliable? Would even the best logic work every time? If you throw a penny in the air 100 times and it falls to the ground 100 times whos to say it will fall to the ground on the 101 first throw? &lt;br /&gt;
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== Only the Bible is Infallible ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Which one?&lt;br /&gt;
O.K. heres the thing.  I can throw a penny in the air 101, 1001, or 100,000 times. It will fall to the ground.  This can be measured, and proven.  Give me one piece of evidence that the bible was written by anyone other than men.  And don't tell me I have to take it on faith--that is the difference between fact and fantasy--I can prove facts.&lt;br /&gt;
:Actually, if you throw the penny ''really'' far, what you liberals call &amp;quot;gravity&amp;quot; will cease to pull it back down to our flat Earth. As your metaphor has been proven false by me, it follows that your whole point of view is wrong. --[[User:Cranky Joe|Cranky Joe]] 06:51, 3 January 2008&lt;br /&gt;
::What you wrote suggests that &amp;quot;liberals&amp;quot; don't realize &amp;quot;their gravity&amp;quot; weakens further away from Earth.  It turns out they do. --[[User:Quantumdot|Quantumdot]] 17:26, 6 April 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
you are being very foolish cranky Joe he is talking about using human strength to throw the penny it is physically impossible for a human to through a penny into space and the earth is not flat if it were then there would be a spot that if you sailed to you would just fall off the map which has never happened and if you go into space you go into space and view the earth its a sphere not a flat piece of matter just siting there&lt;br /&gt;
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Actually, unless the penny was thrown at 23,000 miles per hour it would fall back to Earth. It may take a substantially longer amount of time but it would happen. Thats why there are no satillites from the 1950's in orbit anymore, gravity pulled them back down to Earth. And as for the penny that WAS thrown at 23,000 MPH. What we liberals call gravity would eventually pull it onto the moon or into the sun by gravity--[[User:BenBr|BenBr]] 17:55, 21 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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What ''liberals'' call gravity? What do you call it? --[[User:Lordofthemarsh|Lordofthemarsh]] 23:14, 1 June 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Any decent scientist would not say God does not exist.  God cannot be measured and tested.  He is like everything else that is outside the field of science. &amp;lt;br /&amp;gt; Scientists simply do not have a professional opinion about it.  [[User:CMacloud|CMacloud]] 19:17, 21 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, question, are you implying that you would only believe the Bible as being infallable if it was written by God Himself rather than man? The argument fails in this respect. If you question the reliability of man then why do you put so much stock in yourself? Does this mean you criticize your teachers of science, logic and reason because the subjects were written by men? You give all credance to others as authorities yet you choose to not believe the Bible because it was written by men. Sounds like a double standard.&lt;br /&gt;
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valenciathegr8&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Mind is trustworthy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't know if I agree with the parameters of this debate. Logic certainly isn't infallible, or else we wouldn't have paradoxes (for example, &amp;quot;this is a lie&amp;quot;). It does however provide the most effective tools for navigating the world around us and making sense of our experiences.&lt;br /&gt;
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The very foundation of a debate is logic, anyway. The negators will employ logic in constructing an opposing argument, and the affirmers will use logic to counter it. The very act of reading a Bible requires feats of logic (one doesn't simply gain literacy by divine inspiration, unless you're Mohammed).&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm all for interpretations of the Bible and contextual readings, but assuming the infallibility of anything - the Bible, the Constitution, the local phone directory - is fundamentally irrational behaviour. It precludes critical thinking and evaluation, and as such, cannot be debated in any meaningful way. [[User:Underscoreb|Underscoreb]] 23:52, 7 November 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I would argue in response that logic is a process rather than a source of knowledge. As far as paradoxes go, most are purely linguistic in nature or are based on faulty premises (take Zeno's dichotomy paradox which is based on mathematical fallacy) which are just not readily apparent.&lt;br /&gt;
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I happily accept your final paragraph though, however, i think the parameters attempted to include what you define as critical thinking and evaluation under the heading of logic. However, this is a fault of the page not defining clearly enough rather than your interpreatation.&lt;br /&gt;
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One thing that seems to keep cropping up on this site is a complete lack of understanding of the scientific method. No scientist ''ever'' says something is &amp;quot;proven&amp;quot;. Science is based upon the idea of falsifiability; that is, something is assumed to be the case ''until it is proven '''not''' to be.'' For example, gravity is one theory which is the best interpretation of all the evidence available. Every time a scientific study investigates gravity and it supports the theory, our confidence in the theory is increased. But the theory could be '''disproved''' with ''one'' contradictory result. You can never prove, merely disprove.&lt;br /&gt;
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As such, something is never scientifically &amp;quot;proven&amp;quot;. It is simply yet to be disproved. [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:31, 15 November 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I should probably mention though that your &amp;quot;one contradictory result&amp;quot; would have to be repeatable and well-documented, but in essence, yes. :D [[User:Underscoreb|Underscoreb]] 18:10, 15 November 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Or else the Law of the Conservation of Mass and Energy would have been disproven by high school chemistry students long ago. --[[User:Capercorn]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt; [[User Talk:Capercorn|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Capercorn|contribs]] &amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 13:45, 19 May 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Reliability of Logic Cannot Be Debated==&lt;br /&gt;
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As has been said, logic cannot be used to disprove its own reliability. Logic is reliable because it is supported by the facts and the truth. IE if I throw the penny in the air, and it hits every time, then it is logical to assume it will do so again. There must be an objective truth, because if there was not, the statement &amp;quot;there is no objective truth&amp;quot; would be an objective truth. If there is an objective truth, it follows that it can be logically understood. Of course, this argument relies on logic. Do you see the futility of this debate?&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not sure that it is logical to assume anything, but that there is a progression of events to which we have become accustomed, it seems that we must make a series of assumptions about the world, i.e. that the penny will react similarly, because otherwise we would not be able to function effectively.  In that sense, God might only be the mind's assumption to cope with the seemingly illogical or ineffable reality in which we believe ourselves to be.  Similarly, the radically subjective position from which we likely (assumption) perceive reality would leave us with the understanding that any form of logic which we use to more easily cope with reality would be flawed at best and inconsequential to any objective perception of reality, if there could be such a thing.  I would also say that if there is an Object Truth, it does not necessarily follow that it could be logically understood, but simply Objectively understood, or perhaps only perceived, just as when a camera &amp;quot;perceives&amp;quot; a tree, it simply perceives it and doesn't even observe it, let alone understand it or logically arrive at the tree.  And although this argument relies on logic, it could easily have nothing to do with Objective Truth, if the Objective Truth is itself neither logical nor illogical (something that might be more...logical... given that Objective Truth would more likely exist independent of our reality, unless one thinks of God as pure logic, i.e. Objective Logic, of course.) [[User:Mentisendium|Mentisendium]] 22:56, 20 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;'''Heterosexuality''' involves union between two people of different genders. It is the natural way that human beings and most animals reproduce.  Heterosexual attraction is natural; that is, men for women, and women for men. Heterosexual union within [[marriage]] is the only form of sexual activity endorsed by God as His Word as revealed in the [[Bible]].&lt;br /&gt;
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== Theories on how one becomes a heterosexual ==&lt;br /&gt;
God created man in his image.  Man was mortal, and thus had to procreate in order to continue the species.  Two men were not suitable to God for this, so God made woman from man.  And so, man continues to be heterosexual due to the correct genetic information being passed down from Adam and Eve.  Those who choose homosexual sex reject the natural order and superior genetic line established by God's creation.&lt;br /&gt;
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Alternatively, the theory of evolution explains that the success of a species has determined and has been determined by the competitive practices of each species.  Species that procreate are better equipped to survive than those that do not or can not.  Heterosexuality presented an opportunity for genetics to be passed on more readily than through homosexuality.  Those whose genes determined their personalities to be more obsessed with heterosexual intercourse were naturally more successful in procreation (and thus at passing on their genes) than those who looked to the same sex for procreation (whose genes were less likely to be passed on).  This has, however, presented the issue of how homosexuality has been able to survive.     &lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Bisexual]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Homosexuality]]&lt;br /&gt;
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