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Talk:Extraterrestrial life

2007-04-16T17:28:16Z

Lambchop: /* An extraterrestrial nation-state */

== The Bible and Extraterrestrial Life ==

I'm not sure this interpratation is valid. Surely this passage doesn't rule out the possibility of of an unsaved alien race? [[User:Nematocyte|Nematocyte]] 11:27, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
:It absolutely does. "Let us make man in Our own image and likeness." Not, "Let us make humankind and Vulcankind and Klingonkind and Ferengikind and every other kind."--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]][[User talk:TerryH|Talk]] 12:09, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

::That doesn't mean there can't be life on other planets, though. It just means that the bible doesn't mention them in the story of creation. But the bible talks about the creation of the Earth, and doesn't really talk much about the creation of other planets or what's going on out there.--[[User:Epicurius|Epicurius]] 12:23, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

::I don't think that's what Nem. meant. He was asking, could their be Christians on other planets and if we find them will they look like us? Further, shouldn't we try to find them? [[User:Flippin|Flippin]] 12:19, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

:::If that is what Nematocyte is saying, then the burden of proof falls upon ''him'' to find a [[Bible]] reference that says that Christians or saved persons ''do'' exist on other planets. Can either of you cite ''one single verse'' in the [[Bible]] that says, or implies, that [[Jesus]] died more than the one death that is documented? Can either of you find ''one single verse'' that says, or implies, that any of the [[Apostle]]s took a trip to a world beyond the earth, inhabited by flesh-and-blood people?
:::And Nematocyte, I'll thank you to leave those verses where they were. Come up with verses that say that any kingdoms exist on worlds other than [[earth]], and I'll publish them--noting duly whether you or any other commentator has interpreted them properly. But don't tell me that "other kingdoms must exist because God doesn't say they don't."--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]][[User talk:TerryH|Talk]] 13:03, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

== An extraterrestrial nation-state ==
The idea of an alien "nation-state" makes an unscientific assumption that they will organize like human beings do. What if they are a single organism with semi-independent drones, or a totally anarchy with every little green man for himself? --[[User:Lambchop|Lambchop]] 12:31, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
:Nothing like that figures in, for example, former President [[Jimmy Carter|Carter]]'s speculations. And I doubt that an anarchy could, or would even want to, achieve anything like what [[Francis Crick]] played around with back in 1973, let alone the kind of full-blown invasion force illustrated, say, in ''The War of the Worlds'' or the ''V'' series of [[television]] projects.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]][[User talk:TerryH|Talk]] 13:05, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
::I think the point is, why is 'Nation-State' used over and over again in the article? That is simply one particular form of government, and assuming that any alien civilization would adopt it is making quite a leap. Such social organizations should probably be referred to as simply 'civilizations'. [[User:Brewer13210|Brewer13210]] 13:13, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

Talk:Extraterrestrial life

2007-04-16T16:31:48Z

Lambchop: /* The Bible and Extraterrestrial Life */

Talk:Extraterrestrial life

2007-04-16T16:31:01Z

Lambchop: /* The Bible and Extraterrestrial Life */

Talk:Extraterrestrial life

2007-04-16T16:29:58Z

Lambchop:

Conservapedia:AFD Exotheology

2007-04-16T14:36:23Z

Lambchop: /* Keep */

== Delete ==
The entry has nothing to do with the title, save the first sentence. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]][[User_talk:ColinR|talk]] 00:35, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

:Seconded. Most of the material should be merged with [[UFO]]. But it looks like Andy and Conservative want to get this one on the front page by tomorrow [http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#help_with_your_life_in_outer_space_article] so who knows? [[User:Lambchop|Lambchop]] 00:43, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

:: That's the name for the belief in life in outer space. It is from Time magazine, a liberal publication. Do you have a better alternative?--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 00:51, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

:::Are you sure you don't mean "Exobiology", which even its own enthusiasts admit is a 'science without a subject"? --[[User:BobD|BobD]] 00:53, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

:::Funny, the Time articles cited explicitly refers to exotheology as the theology of outer space, not the belief in ET life. Moreover, the article 's entire point is about the effect ET life could have on God. And even funnier is how the liberal publication's article entire point is how ET life could even reinforce the Christian God. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]][[User_talk:ColinR|talk]] 01:01, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

::::'''Delete'''. The author doesn't seem to understand the difference between exotheology and the study of extraterestial (sp?) life. Nevermind the fact that saying alien life is a liberal belief, this article is embarassing to have on the front page.

== Keep ==
The author explains the title, and has good sources for it. And the article, by whatever title, has a definite place here.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]][[User talk:TerryH|Talk]] 09:59, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
: We should document the debate about spending vast amounts of money on the ideological crusade which is SETI. Exobiology isn't science at all. Good on Aschlafly for pointing that out. --[[User:Pacman|Pacman]] 10:26, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
::This is the same argument they made against funding the Columbus expedition. The bible never mentioned any "new world" [[User:Lambchop|Lambchop]] 10:36, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

Conservapedia:AFD Exotheology

2007-04-16T04:46:23Z

Lambchop:

The entry has nothing to do with the title, save the first sentence. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]][[User_talk:ColinR|talk]] 00:35, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

:Seconded. Most of the material should be merged with [[UFO]]. But it looks like Andy and Conservative want to get this one on the front page by tomorrow [http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#help_with_your_life_in_outer_space_article] so who knows? [[User:Lambchop|Lambchop]] 00:43, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

Conservapedia:AFD Exotheology

2007-04-16T04:43:59Z

Lambchop:

The entry has nothing to do with the title, save the first sentence. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]][[User_talk:ColinR|talk]] 00:35, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

:Seconded. Most of the material should be merged with [[UFO]]. But it looks like Andy and Conservative want to get this one on the front page by tomorrow so who knows? [[User:Lambchop|Lambchop]] 00:43, 16 April 2007 (EDT)

Exobiology

2007-04-16T03:59:23Z

Lambchop: The opening paragraph made no sense

'''Exotheology''' refers to speculations of changes in religious doctrine in the event of the discovery of extraterrestrial life, or life in outer space.

''Time'' magazine declared in 1978:

:Scientists today generally assume, and the mathematical probabilities favor, the existence of intelligent life among the myriad planets wheeling through the cosmos. If that is so, what happens to the Creator-God who made man "in his own image," or to the Christian doctrine that this God took the extraordinary step of becoming man in order to redeem one species of bipedal beings on earth?"<ref>http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,916129,00.html</ref>

In other words, Time asked rhetorically, "Can the 'image of God' survive in extraterrestrial life?"<ref>''Id.''</ref> On Dec. 13, 1971, the cover of ''Time'' magazine shouted, "Looking for Life Out There," with a picture of a spacecraft and outer space.

[[Jimmy Carter]] was a zealous believer in life in outer space, and it fit with his nuclear disarmament program. Why maintain arms against each other if we have enemies in outer space? Professor [[Carl Sagan]], the leading [[liberal]] scientist in the 1970s and 1980s, frequently appeared on television to build public belief in life in outer space.

In 1974, the Encyclopedia Britannica announced its massive new edition and bragged that [[Carl Sagan]] had written entries on extraterrestrial life in it.<ref>http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,911022-2,00.html</ref>

Though no life has ever been found in outer space, Communist China encourages belief in it today. "The government-approved China UFO Research Center boasted 50,000 members and held annual conferences before splintering into competing factions three years ago. A 20-year-old Chinese bimonthly magazine about UFOs enjoys a circulation of 200,000. 'We have so many visitation reports that if people don't have pictures, we won't bother investigating,' says Zhang Jingping, director of the Beijing UFO Research Association."<ref>''Time'' (Sept. 22, 2003) [http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,488900,00.html]</ref>

== References ==

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Michael Dukakis

2007-04-16T03:33:10Z

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'''Michael Dukakis''' ran for president in 1988 as a [[Democrat]] who lost to [[Dan Quayle]] and [[George H.W. Bush]]

ABC

2007-04-16T03:30:18Z

Lambchop:

'''ABC''' (American Broadcasting Company) is a [[television]] network in the [[United States]] which has been broadcasting since 1948.

Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith

2007-04-16T03:25:59Z

Lambchop:

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'''Star Wars 3 Revenge of the Sith''' was the third movie in the [[Star wars]] prequel trilogy depicting the fall of the Republic and the rise of the Galactic Empire. Set nineteen years before Episode IV, it was heavily criticized for its political overtones. Anakin Skywalker's declaration to Padme that, "You're either with me or you are my enemy" was interpreted as a dig at President Bush, and the fall of the Republic is seen as allegory for the rise of the [[American Empire]].

[[Category:Movies]]

North Korea

2007-04-16T02:50:50Z

Lambchop:

'''North Korea''' is a totalitarian state that occupies the Korean peninsula north of a line that roughly follows the 38th parallel north. Ruled by [[Kim Jong Il]], it is probably the last completely [[Stalinism|Stalinist]] government on Earth.

On October 9, 2006, North Korea claimed to have detonated a nuclear device deep underground <ref>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6032525.stm</ref> but the yield was equivelent to only approximately 400 tons of chemical high explosive and some analysts believe no chain reaction was achieved.

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[[Category:Asian Countries]]

Witch

2007-04-16T02:43:28Z

Lambchop:

{{stub}}'''A Witch''' is a female practitioner of the [[occult]]. In the past many witches were burnt at the stake. In Exodus 22:18 the [[Bible]] specifically bans witchcraft under penalty of death. Many people have taken this ban too far and used [[witchhunts]] to further their own political aims, or out of sheer [[hysteria]]

== References ==

* [http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=312664 Exodus 22]

Contigent being

2007-04-16T02:17:39Z

Lambchop: New page: A '''Contigent being''' is differentiated from a necessary being in that it admits of, though it does not demand, actualization. It is thus coextensive with possible being. The contin...

A '''Contigent being''' is differentiated from a [[necessary being]] in that it admits of, though it does not demand, actualization. It is thus coextensive with possible being. The contingent is that being whose [[essence]] does not include existence and which, therefore, does not, as such, demand existence. Humans are contingent beings, while [[God]] is a necessary being.

== References ==

[http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04331a.htm Contingent]

Tautology

2007-04-16T02:06:41Z

Lambchop: New page: A '''tautology''' is a statement that is already true by definition, not because of any logical deduction<ref>http://www.apologetics.org/glossary.html</ref>. For instance, "All triangles ...

A '''tautology''' is a statement that is already true by definition, not because of any logical deduction<ref>http://www.apologetics.org/glossary.html</ref>. For instance, "All triangles have three sides" is an inherently true proposition, but it doesn't tell us anything new.

The concept of the [[Survival of the fittest]] is a tautology if fitness is defined as the ability to survive.

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James Cameron

2007-04-16T01:33:00Z

Lambchop:

'''James Cameron''' is the American director of a number of successful films including ''[[The Terminator]]'', ''[[Aliens]]'', ''[[The Abyss]]'', ''[[True Lies]]'' and ''[[Titanic]]''. In 2007 James Cameron claimed to have discovered an [[ossuary]] in the [[Holy Land]] containing the bones of [[Jesus Christ]], but few scholars support his claims.

== References ==

[http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/02/25/tomb_arc.html?category=archaeology&guid=20070225073000 Discovery Channel News]

Native Americans

2007-04-16T01:27:32Z

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#REDIRECT [[American Indians]]

Irak

2007-04-16T01:05:35Z

Lambchop: fix redirect

#REDIRECT [[Iraq]]

Irak

2007-04-16T01:04:44Z

Lambchop: redirecting to Iraq

# REDIRECT [[Iraq]]

Abortion alternatives

2007-04-16T01:03:33Z

Lambchop: redirect to adoption

#REDIRECT [[Adoption]]

Complex plane

2007-04-15T22:50:03Z

Lambchop: New page: The '''Complex plane''' (or Argand plane) is the extension of the real number line in two dimensions by specifying a point on the y-axis with the imaginary part of a complex number...

The '''Complex plane''' (or Argand plane) is the extension of the [[real number]] line in two dimensions by specifying a point on the y-axis with the imaginary part of a [[complex number]] <math>
z = x + iy\,
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Priest

2007-04-15T00:44:40Z

Lambchop: New page: A '''Priest''' is a Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox clergyman ranking above deacon but below bishop, corresponding to a ''presbyter'' in the early church. ''Neglect not...

A '''Priest''' is a [[Roman Catholic]] or [[Eastern Orthodox]] clergyman ranking above [[deacon]] but below [[bishop]], corresponding to a ''presbyter'' in the early church. ''Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery. (1 Timothy 4:14)''

Priests preside at [[Mass]] and at the Sacraments of Baptism, Matrimony, Reconcilliation, and Healing. From the early 4th Century a discipline of celibacy has been in place for Roman Catholic priests. In recent times the Church is finding it difficult to replace aging priests and there are pressures to retain priests even if parishioners have come forward with accusations against them.

== References ==

*[http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0211fea2.asp Understanding the priest scandal]

Conservapedia:Userboxes/Donuts

2007-04-15T00:27:59Z

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2007-04-15T00:26:43Z

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2007-04-15T00:08:14Z

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Ceres

2007-04-14T23:27:30Z

Lambchop: New page: '''Ceres''' is the largest planetoid in the Asteroid Belt, roughly one-fourth of the diameter of the Moon. Astronomers recently upgraded Ceres from asteroid to the new class o...

'''Ceres''' is the largest planetoid in the [[Asteroid Belt]], roughly one-fourth of the diameter of the [[Moon]]. Astronomers recently upgraded Ceres from [[asteroid]] to the new class of bodies called [[dwarf planet|dwarf planets]]. [[NASA]] plans to explore Ceres with a probe in 2015. <ref>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6037844.stm</ref>

== References ==

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Asteroid Belt

2007-04-14T21:40:33Z

Lambchop: New page: The '''Asteroid Belt''' is a large toroidal region in the inner Solar system with a heliocentric distance of between 2 and 4 AU containing nearly two million minor planets <ref...

The '''Asteroid Belt''' is a large toroidal region in the inner [[Solar system]] with a [[heliocentric]] distance of between 2 and 4 [[AU]] containing nearly two million minor planets <ref>http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=7925</ref>, or [[asteroid|asteroids]] rather than a major rocky body like the [[Earth]] or [[Mars]].

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Nazarite

2007-04-14T21:20:44Z

Lambchop:

A name givin to a Hebrew who is totally consecrated to the Lord.

== Laws governing the Nazarites ==

1. He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.

2. All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.

3. All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth himself unto the LORD, he shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow.

4. All the days that he separateth himself unto the LORD he shall come at no dead body.

5. He shall not make himself unclean for his father, or for his mother, for his brother, or for his sister, when they die: because the consecration of his God is upon his head.

== References ==

[http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=581821 Numbers chapter 6]