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Hate crime

2012-06-19T22:48:45Z

Kasuhira:

A "'''hate crime'''" refers to a criminal act that targets a specific group of people based on their sex, gender, nationality, religious beliefs.

==Free speech and the Homosexual Agenda==

Liberals promote hate crime legislation to legitimize certain lifestyles by declaring them to be protected by law, and to chill [[free speech]] that criticizes those lifestyles.

Opponents charge that hate crime and hate speech rules amount to an erosion of [[First Amendment]] guarantees of freedom of religion, [[free speech]], and freedom of press. In particular, they object to rules or laws which equate condemnation of sin with prejudice.

Hate crime legislation imposes additional punishment for crimes held to be motivated by such "prejudice".

Hate crime legislation is a stepping stone for a lifestyle to become protected under anti-discrimination laws.

The [[gay rights]] movement currently attempts to equate racism and [[anti-Semitism]] with the condemnation of homosexual lifestyle. They claim that, like race, sexual orientation is 100% inherited and immutable but there are studies that question this claim [citation needed].

Nonetheless, the strategy of activists is to insist that condemnation of sin is a type of "prejudice" equivalent to a civil rights violation. They want people of conscience, who already condemn antisemitism and racism, to regard any critique of homosexuality as an expression of "hate".

There is a misinterpretation of a sermon by Jesus, who told people not to "hate" their enemies used in favor of the argument. What hate crimes legislation ignores is that Jesus never hesitated to condemn sin and frequently criticized wrongdoers.

A ladder to legislate social acceptance and promotion of a lifestyle would be as follows:

* '''Bottom Rung:''' hate crime legislation to recognize and accept the lifestyle.
* '''Middle Rung:''' anti-discrimination legislation to favor and promote the lifestyle.
* '''Top Rung:''' [[affirmative action]] to fully promote the lifestyle. [citation needed]

Additionally, some have argued that hate crimes should be applied in extreme cases, but that existing legislation is far too broad. For instance, they argue that merely telling a homosexual that he will go to [[hell]] if he does not repent should not be a "hate crime", but that actually killing that person (which in the opinion of the murderer, would send them to hell) should be classified as a "hate crime". This is generally seen as a more moderately conservative to centrist view on the issue.

===Legislative history===

The House of Representatives passed a hate crime bill on April 29, 2009, in order to give special protection to homosexual behavior, and to intimidate Bible-based criticism of it.<ref>http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNews/idUKTRE53S8IM20090429</ref> This bill has led many to be fearful. To quote OneNewsNow "This so-called 'hate crimes' bill will be used to lay the legal foundation and framework to investigate, prosecute, and persecute pastors, business owners, Bible teachers, Sunday School teachers, youth pastors -- you name it -- or anyone else whose actions are based upon and reflect the truth found in the Bible."<ref>http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=494798</ref>

Then [[Speaker of the House]] for the 2007-2008 [[Congress]], [[Nancy Pelosi]], sought to pass hate crime legislation proposed in the prior session of [[Congress]] in H.R.3132. [[H.R. 1592: Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007]] was then introduced by [[Democrats]] in the new session [[110th Congress]] that began in 2007.

In July 2007, [[Ted Kennedy]] bypassed a committee vote and attached hate crimes legislation to a massive defense appropriation bill requested by the President, in an effort to compel him to sign the hate crimes legislation.<ref>[http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56702 Kennedy cramming hate crimes into defense bill] 'Shameless attempt to push [[homosexual agenda]] ... by exploiting soldiers', Bob Unruh, ''WorldNetDaily.com'', July 17, 2007.</ref>

== Claims of Hate Crimes ==

It is claimed that about 1100 hate crimes against homosexuals or their property occurred in 2004.<ref>Federal Bureau of Investigation, [http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/hate_crime/index.html Crime in the United States 2004]</ref> <ref>FBI, Crime in the United States 2004, [http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2004/hctable4.htm Table 4 Offense Type by Bias Motivation] </ref> But most of those offenses occurred against property rather than individuals, often the result of drugs or alcohol. Only a tiny percentage even involved aggravated assault or worse, and those classifications are not based on any proof at trial.[citation needed] 74% of hate crimes are either crimes against property (e.g., theft, [[vandalism]] or [[graffiti]]) or the vague term "intimidation".<ref>FBI, Crime in the United States 2004 [http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/hate_crime/index.html#table2_33 Table 2.33 Incidents, Offenses, Victims, and Known Offenders by Offense Type]</ref>

The world-renowned pathologist Dr. [[William Eckert]] wrote regarding homosexual homocides the following:
{{cquote| Equally high is the number of homicides, many probably related to transient attachments, which often lead to suspicion, jealousy, and murder. When murder does occur it is exceptionally brutal with an overkill appearance... Overkill, as it is seen in homosexual and lesbian murders, is certainly a form of sadistic crime. In these instances multiple stabbing and other brutal injuries...are common findings...<ref>Tedeschi CG, Eckert W, Tedeschi LG, eds. Forensic medicine; vol 2. Philadelphia: WB Saunders, 1977:962</ref>}}
[[Image:Assocchurch138 yzsodw.jpg|thumb|The [[First Baptist Church in Gravois Mills]] was vandalized and threatened by [[homosexuality|homosexual]] activists and received obscene phone calls. An [[Federal Bureau of Investigation|FBI]] agent refused to list the incident as a hate crime.]]

However, Dallas Drake, President of the American Society of Criminology claims that homophobia is the general cause of these murders. <ref>http://www.citypages.com/2009-04-08/news/rommal-bennett-s-trial-revisits-spate-of-gay-murders-in-the-twin-cities/2</ref>

Some feel national statistics regarding [[homosexuality|homosexuals]] committing hate crimes against heterosexuals may be underreported. For example, the [[First Baptist Church in Gravois Mills]] was vandalized and threatened by homosexual activists and received obscene phone calls. An [[Federal Bureau of Investigation|FBI]] agent refused to list the incident as a [[hate crime]]. The incident involved an anti-homosexuality [[Bible]] verse on the church's sign.<ref>[http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=17075 Pastor finds FBI unresponsive to homosexual activists' threats], Bob Baysinger, ''Baptist Press'', Nov 13, 2003.</ref>

The Center for Reclaiming America cited the following account of how a [[hate crimes|hate crime]] statute was egregiously applied to an ex-homosexual:
{{cquote|In Madison, Wisconsin, a recovered homosexual who had left the “gay” lifestyle to start a family got into a heated discussion with an open homosexual about homosexuality at a gas station. The ex-“gay” man, David Ott, was holding his child in his arms during the entire incident, and neither man touched the other. The homosexual activist later told police he had felt threatened by Ott, and local prosecutors charged the man with “disorderly conduct” with a “hate crimes” enhancement.

The “hate crime” aspect, stemming from Ott’s belief that homosexuality is morally wrong, raised the potential fine from $1,000 to $10,000, and jail time went up from a possible 90 days to one year. Fearing the possibility of substantial jail time, Ott settled, and received 50 hours of community service plus a mandatory attendance at “tolerance” sessions conducted by [[lesbianism|lesbians]] at the [[University of Wisconsin at Madison]]. A ground rule for the session was the premise that homosexual behavior is not immoral.

The entire process cost Ott almost $7,000 in legal fees.<ref>http://test.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/fastfacts/HateCrimes2.pdf</ref>}}

Another example of an alleged anti-homosexual "hate crime" occurred at Columbia University in 2005, when two drunken students scrawled racist and anti-homosexual symbols on a dormitory wall. Initially charged with crimes carrying possible 4-year jail sentences, the charges were later dropped in exchange for some sensitivity training.<ref>[http://media.www.columbiaspectator.com/media/storage/paper865/news/2006/06/12/News/Ruggles.Vandalism.Case.Dismissed-2043702.shtml Ruggles Vandalism Case Dismissed], Elizabeth Kraushar and Eleazar David Meléndez, ''Columbia Spectator'', 6/12/06.</ref> "I am pretty sure [the perpetrator] thought he was playing a joke," said one dormitory resident about the incident.<ref>[http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=510542 Hate Crime Rocks Columbia’s Campus], Noah S. Bloom, ''The Harvard Crimson'', December 13, 2005.</ref>

There are very few anti-homosexual murders. The most publicized incident, the murder of [[Matthew Shepard]], was the result of severe drug abuse. After the defense attorney failed to [[exonerate]] the killers with an argument of self-defense against homosexual advances, the lead killer admitted in jail that homosexuality had nothing to do with his drug-induced murder:<ref>[http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=277685&page=3 New Details Emerge in Matthew Shepard Murder], ''20/20'', ABC News. Retrieved 22 July 2007.</ref>

:Asked [by ABC News] directly whether [the lead killer] targeted and attacked Shepard because he was gay, McKinney told Vargas, "No. I did not. ... I would say it wasn't a hate crime. All I wanted to do was beat him up and rob him."

:But if the attackers were just trying to rob someone to get a drug fix, why did they beat Shepard so savagely?

:[[Prosecutor]] Rerucha attributes McKinney's rage and his savage beating of Shepard to his drug abuse. "The methamphetamine just fueled to this point where there was no control. It was a horrible, horrible, horrible murder. It was a murder that was once again driven by drugs," Rerucha said.

:Dr. Rick Rawson, a professor at UCLA who has studied the link between methamphetamine and violence, tells "20/20" the drug can trigger episodes of violent behavior.

:"In the first weeks after you've stopped using it, the kinds of triggers that can set off an episode are completely unpredictable. It can be: you say a word with the wrong inflection, you touch someone on the shoulder. It's completely unpredictable as to what will set somebody off" Rawson said.

:"If Aaron McKinney had not become involved with methamphetamine, Matthew Shepard would be alive today," Rerucha said.

So what was the basis for the claim that this was a hate crime? According to ABC News, "Prosecutor Rerucha recalls that Shepard's friends ... contacted his office. Rerucha told '20/20,' "They were calling the County Attorney's office, they were calling the media and indicating Matthew Shepard is gay and we don't want the fact that he is gay to go unnoticed."<ref>''Id.''</ref>

Conversely, threats and vandalism by homosexual activists are typically not treated as hate crimes. For example, "The Federal Bureau of Investigation has refused to investigate threats made by homosexual activists against a Missouri Baptist Convention church in the Lake of the Ozarks area."<ref>[http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=17075 Pastor finds FBI unresponsive to homosexual activists' threats], Bob Baysinger, ''Baptist Press'', Nov 13, 2003.</ref>

==Criminalizing the Gospel==

Art Moore posted this at WorldNet Daily:

:"We don't want to promote hatred against anyone and are opposed to violence for whatever reason," said Bruce Clemenger, head of the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada's Centre for Faith and Public Life. "Our concern, though is that ... courts have not distinguished between the identity of the person and the activity. So sexual orientation refers to both the sexual disposition as well as the activity."

:But homosexual activists contend such a distinction cannot be made with homosexuals any more than it can with matters of race or ethnic origin.

:"The argument of separating the person from the behavior is their concept," insisted Kim Vance, president of Ottawa-based EGALE, Equality for Gays and Lesbians Everywhere.

:"In reality they are the same thing," Vance said in a WND interview. "That's language that they use to justify [opposition], but it's language that we don't agree with." <ref> [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29328 The Bible as 'hate literature'?], By Art Moore, ''WorldNetDaily.com'', October 21, 2002.</ref>

What this means is the [[gay rights]] activists want the government to agree with their primary claim, i.e., that homosexuality is a matter of '''identity''' - not a behavior, and certainly not a matter of choice.

==Hate Speech Outside the United States==

At least nine Western countries have made it a crime<ref>Revisionists in France and Germany have been heavily fined for their views" (Weber). Other countries that have different laws against Holocaust denial include Belgium, New Zealand, Australia, Italy, Canada, Austria, Germany, and Switzerland. [http://www.history.ucsb.edu/projects/holocaust/Research/VariousPapers/MonizDeniers034.htm Holocaust Denial] </ref>
to deny the historical reality of the Nazi [[Holocaust]] (the genocide of 6 million Jews and 5 million others). The idea is that it is "hateful" to the survivors and to the relatives of the victims to pretend that this painful episode never occurred.

Some people argue that being Jewish is a matter of race and thus unchangeable, and that being homosexual is likewise immutable. On these grounds they go on to assert that criticizing a person for being homosexual is just as "hateful" as denying the Holocaust. A serious movement has begun to brand criticism of homosexuality as [[hate speech]] and thus to outlaw it. It is succeeding in liberal countries of Europe and has spread to the United States. However, others feel that Holocaust denial is a different situation than criticism of homosexuals. Even those against homosexuals freely admit that some were killed in the Holocaust as a result of their sexual orientation. Denying this would be completely different than merely denying that their sexuality was "natural".

==Objectivism, libertarianism, and "Hate crimes"==

[[Objectivism|Objectivists]] and [[libertarians]] argue against the notion of hate crimes for minorities in general, saying that the only "true" minority is the smallest possible one, the individual. Therefore, killing any individual is a crime against a "minority" - the victim. Additionally, libertarians argue that it is wrong to punish an individual solely for a belief that led him to kill somebody. In other words, although libertarians feel it is wrong to murder someone because they are black, homosexual, or any other claimed minority, it is also equally wrong to murder someone because they are wearing a [[hat]]. However, even the most liberal individuals do not claim that the latter should be a hate crime.

==See also==
*[[H.R. 1592: Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007]]
*[[Matthew Shepard]]
*[[Homosexual agenda]]
*[[Homosexuality]]
*[[Homophobia]]

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=9672&department=CFI&categoryid=papers 'Hate Crime' Laws Threaten Religious Freedom]
*[http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0617mcnultyjun17,1,2035460.column?coll=chi-news-col&ctrack=1&cset=true 'What is a hate crime?'], Timothy J. McNulty, From the Public Editor, June 17, 2007.
*[http://www.robgagnon.net/ArticlesOnline.htm Why a Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity “Hate Crimes” Law Is Bad for You, part 1 of 3], by Robert A. J. Gagnon, Ph.D.
[[Category:Religious Persecution]]

Hate crime

2012-06-19T22:45:59Z

Kasuhira:

A "'''hate crime'''" is a [[liberal]] invention to try to criminalize [[politically incorrect]] attitudes, by making some crimes "worse" than others based on the views of the person committing the crime.

Liberals will often demand prosecution as a "hate crime" whenever the victim was a member of a group politically favored by the liberal agenda, regardless of whether there was any evidence of actual hate for the group by the perpetrator.

==Free speech and the Homosexual Agenda==

Liberals promote hate crime legislation to legitimize certain lifestyles by declaring them to be protected by law, and to chill [[free speech]] that criticizes those lifestyles.

Opponents charge that hate crime and hate speech rules amount to an erosion of [[First Amendment]] guarantees of freedom of religion, [[free speech]], and freedom of press. In particular, they object to rules or laws which equate condemnation of sin with prejudice.

Hate crime legislation imposes additional punishment for crimes held to be motivated by such "prejudice".

Hate crime legislation is a stepping stone for a lifestyle to become protected under anti-discrimination laws.

The [[gay rights]] movement currently attempts to equate racism and [[anti-Semitism]] with the condemnation of homosexual lifestyle. They claim that, like race, sexual orientation is 100% inherited and immutable but there are studies that question this claim [citation needed].

Nonetheless, the strategy of activists is to insist that condemnation of sin is a type of "prejudice" equivalent to a civil rights violation. They want people of conscience, who already condemn antisemitism and racism, to regard any critique of homosexuality as an expression of "hate".

There is a misinterpretation of a sermon by Jesus, who told people not to "hate" their enemies used in favor of the argument. What hate crimes legislation ignores is that Jesus never hesitated to condemn sin and frequently criticized wrongdoers.

A ladder to legislate social acceptance and promotion of a lifestyle would be as follows:

* '''Bottom Rung:''' hate crime legislation to recognize and accept the lifestyle.
* '''Middle Rung:''' anti-discrimination legislation to favor and promote the lifestyle.
* '''Top Rung:''' [[affirmative action]] to fully promote the lifestyle. [citation needed]

Additionally, some have argued that hate crimes should be applied in extreme cases, but that existing legislation is far too broad. For instance, they argue that merely telling a homosexual that he will go to [[hell]] if he does not repent should not be a "hate crime", but that actually killing that person (which in the opinion of the murderer, would send them to hell) should be classified as a "hate crime". This is generally seen as a more moderately conservative to centrist view on the issue.

===Legislative history===

The House of Representatives passed a hate crime bill on April 29, 2009, in order to give special protection to homosexual behavior, and to intimidate Bible-based criticism of it.<ref>http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNews/idUKTRE53S8IM20090429</ref> This bill has led many to be fearful. To quote OneNewsNow "This so-called 'hate crimes' bill will be used to lay the legal foundation and framework to investigate, prosecute, and persecute pastors, business owners, Bible teachers, Sunday School teachers, youth pastors -- you name it -- or anyone else whose actions are based upon and reflect the truth found in the Bible."<ref>http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=494798</ref>

Then [[Speaker of the House]] for the 2007-2008 [[Congress]], [[Nancy Pelosi]], sought to pass hate crime legislation proposed in the prior session of [[Congress]] in H.R.3132. [[H.R. 1592: Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007]] was then introduced by [[Democrats]] in the new session [[110th Congress]] that began in 2007.

In July 2007, [[Ted Kennedy]] bypassed a committee vote and attached hate crimes legislation to a massive defense appropriation bill requested by the President, in an effort to compel him to sign the hate crimes legislation.<ref>[http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56702 Kennedy cramming hate crimes into defense bill] 'Shameless attempt to push [[homosexual agenda]] ... by exploiting soldiers', Bob Unruh, ''WorldNetDaily.com'', July 17, 2007.</ref>

== Claims of Hate Crimes ==

It is claimed that about 1100 hate crimes against homosexuals or their property occurred in 2004.<ref>Federal Bureau of Investigation, [http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/hate_crime/index.html Crime in the United States 2004]</ref> <ref>FBI, Crime in the United States 2004, [http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2004/hctable4.htm Table 4 Offense Type by Bias Motivation] </ref> But most of those offenses occurred against property rather than individuals, often the result of drugs or alcohol. Only a tiny percentage even involved aggravated assault or worse, and those classifications are not based on any proof at trial.[citation needed] 74% of hate crimes are either crimes against property (e.g., theft, [[vandalism]] or [[graffiti]]) or the vague term "intimidation".<ref>FBI, Crime in the United States 2004 [http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/hate_crime/index.html#table2_33 Table 2.33 Incidents, Offenses, Victims, and Known Offenders by Offense Type]</ref>

The world-renowned pathologist Dr. [[William Eckert]] wrote regarding homosexual homocides the following:
{{cquote| Equally high is the number of homicides, many probably related to transient attachments, which often lead to suspicion, jealousy, and murder. When murder does occur it is exceptionally brutal with an overkill appearance... Overkill, as it is seen in homosexual and lesbian murders, is certainly a form of sadistic crime. In these instances multiple stabbing and other brutal injuries...are common findings...<ref>Tedeschi CG, Eckert W, Tedeschi LG, eds. Forensic medicine; vol 2. Philadelphia: WB Saunders, 1977:962</ref>}}
[[Image:Assocchurch138 yzsodw.jpg|thumb|The [[First Baptist Church in Gravois Mills]] was vandalized and threatened by [[homosexuality|homosexual]] activists and received obscene phone calls. An [[Federal Bureau of Investigation|FBI]] agent refused to list the incident as a hate crime.]]

However, Dallas Drake, President of the American Society of Criminology claims that homophobia is the general cause of these murders. <ref>http://www.citypages.com/2009-04-08/news/rommal-bennett-s-trial-revisits-spate-of-gay-murders-in-the-twin-cities/2</ref>

Some feel national statistics regarding [[homosexuality|homosexuals]] committing hate crimes against heterosexuals may be underreported. For example, the [[First Baptist Church in Gravois Mills]] was vandalized and threatened by homosexual activists and received obscene phone calls. An [[Federal Bureau of Investigation|FBI]] agent refused to list the incident as a [[hate crime]]. The incident involved an anti-homosexuality [[Bible]] verse on the church's sign.<ref>[http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=17075 Pastor finds FBI unresponsive to homosexual activists' threats], Bob Baysinger, ''Baptist Press'', Nov 13, 2003.</ref>

The Center for Reclaiming America cited the following account of how a [[hate crimes|hate crime]] statute was egregiously applied to an ex-homosexual:
{{cquote|In Madison, Wisconsin, a recovered homosexual who had left the “gay” lifestyle to start a family got into a heated discussion with an open homosexual about homosexuality at a gas station. The ex-“gay” man, David Ott, was holding his child in his arms during the entire incident, and neither man touched the other. The homosexual activist later told police he had felt threatened by Ott, and local prosecutors charged the man with “disorderly conduct” with a “hate crimes” enhancement.

The “hate crime” aspect, stemming from Ott’s belief that homosexuality is morally wrong, raised the potential fine from $1,000 to $10,000, and jail time went up from a possible 90 days to one year. Fearing the possibility of substantial jail time, Ott settled, and received 50 hours of community service plus a mandatory attendance at “tolerance” sessions conducted by [[lesbianism|lesbians]] at the [[University of Wisconsin at Madison]]. A ground rule for the session was the premise that homosexual behavior is not immoral.

The entire process cost Ott almost $7,000 in legal fees.<ref>http://test.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/fastfacts/HateCrimes2.pdf</ref>}}

Another example of an alleged anti-homosexual "hate crime" occurred at Columbia University in 2005, when two drunken students scrawled racist and anti-homosexual symbols on a dormitory wall. Initially charged with crimes carrying possible 4-year jail sentences, the charges were later dropped in exchange for some sensitivity training.<ref>[http://media.www.columbiaspectator.com/media/storage/paper865/news/2006/06/12/News/Ruggles.Vandalism.Case.Dismissed-2043702.shtml Ruggles Vandalism Case Dismissed], Elizabeth Kraushar and Eleazar David Meléndez, ''Columbia Spectator'', 6/12/06.</ref> "I am pretty sure [the perpetrator] thought he was playing a joke," said one dormitory resident about the incident.<ref>[http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=510542 Hate Crime Rocks Columbia’s Campus], Noah S. Bloom, ''The Harvard Crimson'', December 13, 2005.</ref>

There are very few anti-homosexual murders. The most publicized incident, the murder of [[Matthew Shepard]], was the result of severe drug abuse. After the defense attorney failed to [[exonerate]] the killers with an argument of self-defense against homosexual advances, the lead killer admitted in jail that homosexuality had nothing to do with his drug-induced murder:<ref>[http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=277685&page=3 New Details Emerge in Matthew Shepard Murder], ''20/20'', ABC News. Retrieved 22 July 2007.</ref>

:Asked [by ABC News] directly whether [the lead killer] targeted and attacked Shepard because he was gay, McKinney told Vargas, "No. I did not. ... I would say it wasn't a hate crime. All I wanted to do was beat him up and rob him."

:But if the attackers were just trying to rob someone to get a drug fix, why did they beat Shepard so savagely?

:[[Prosecutor]] Rerucha attributes McKinney's rage and his savage beating of Shepard to his drug abuse. "The methamphetamine just fueled to this point where there was no control. It was a horrible, horrible, horrible murder. It was a murder that was once again driven by drugs," Rerucha said.

:Dr. Rick Rawson, a professor at UCLA who has studied the link between methamphetamine and violence, tells "20/20" the drug can trigger episodes of violent behavior.

:"In the first weeks after you've stopped using it, the kinds of triggers that can set off an episode are completely unpredictable. It can be: you say a word with the wrong inflection, you touch someone on the shoulder. It's completely unpredictable as to what will set somebody off" Rawson said.

:"If Aaron McKinney had not become involved with methamphetamine, Matthew Shepard would be alive today," Rerucha said.

So what was the basis for the claim that this was a hate crime? According to ABC News, "Prosecutor Rerucha recalls that Shepard's friends ... contacted his office. Rerucha told '20/20,' "They were calling the County Attorney's office, they were calling the media and indicating Matthew Shepard is gay and we don't want the fact that he is gay to go unnoticed."<ref>''Id.''</ref>

Conversely, threats and vandalism by homosexual activists are typically not treated as hate crimes. For example, "The Federal Bureau of Investigation has refused to investigate threats made by homosexual activists against a Missouri Baptist Convention church in the Lake of the Ozarks area."<ref>[http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=17075 Pastor finds FBI unresponsive to homosexual activists' threats], Bob Baysinger, ''Baptist Press'', Nov 13, 2003.</ref>

==Criminalizing the Gospel==

Art Moore posted this at WorldNet Daily:

:"We don't want to promote hatred against anyone and are opposed to violence for whatever reason," said Bruce Clemenger, head of the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada's Centre for Faith and Public Life. "Our concern, though is that ... courts have not distinguished between the identity of the person and the activity. So sexual orientation refers to both the sexual disposition as well as the activity."

:But homosexual activists contend such a distinction cannot be made with homosexuals any more than it can with matters of race or ethnic origin.

:"The argument of separating the person from the behavior is their concept," insisted Kim Vance, president of Ottawa-based EGALE, Equality for Gays and Lesbians Everywhere.

:"In reality they are the same thing," Vance said in a WND interview. "That's language that they use to justify [opposition], but it's language that we don't agree with." <ref> [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29328 The Bible as 'hate literature'?], By Art Moore, ''WorldNetDaily.com'', October 21, 2002.</ref>

What this means is the [[gay rights]] activists want the government to agree with their primary claim, i.e., that homosexuality is a matter of '''identity''' - not a behavior, and certainly not a matter of choice.

==Hate Speech Outside the United States==

At least nine Western countries have made it a crime<ref>Revisionists in France and Germany have been heavily fined for their views" (Weber). Other countries that have different laws against Holocaust denial include Belgium, New Zealand, Australia, Italy, Canada, Austria, Germany, and Switzerland. [http://www.history.ucsb.edu/projects/holocaust/Research/VariousPapers/MonizDeniers034.htm Holocaust Denial] </ref>
to deny the historical reality of the Nazi [[Holocaust]] (the genocide of 6 million Jews and 5 million others). The idea is that it is "hateful" to the survivors and to the relatives of the victims to pretend that this painful episode never occurred.

Some people argue that being Jewish is a matter of race and thus unchangeable, and that being homosexual is likewise immutable. On these grounds they go on to assert that criticizing a person for being homosexual is just as "hateful" as denying the Holocaust. A serious movement has begun to brand criticism of homosexuality as [[hate speech]] and thus to outlaw it. It is succeeding in liberal countries of Europe and has spread to the United States. However, others feel that Holocaust denial is a different situation than criticism of homosexuals. Even those against homosexuals freely admit that some were killed in the Holocaust as a result of their sexual orientation. Denying this would be completely different than merely denying that their sexuality was "natural".

==Objectivism, libertarianism, and "Hate crimes"==

[[Objectivism|Objectivists]] and [[libertarians]] argue against the notion of hate crimes for minorities in general, saying that the only "true" minority is the smallest possible one, the individual. Therefore, killing any individual is a crime against a "minority" - the victim. Additionally, libertarians argue that it is wrong to punish an individual solely for a belief that led him to kill somebody. In other words, although libertarians feel it is wrong to murder someone because they are black, homosexual, or any other claimed minority, it is also equally wrong to murder someone because they are wearing a [[hat]]. However, even the most liberal individuals do not claim that the latter should be a hate crime.

==See also==
*[[H.R. 1592: Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007]]
*[[Matthew Shepard]]
*[[Homosexual agenda]]
*[[Homosexuality]]
*[[Homophobia]]

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=9672&department=CFI&categoryid=papers 'Hate Crime' Laws Threaten Religious Freedom]
*[http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0617mcnultyjun17,1,2035460.column?coll=chi-news-col&ctrack=1&cset=true 'What is a hate crime?'], Timothy J. McNulty, From the Public Editor, June 17, 2007.
*[http://www.robgagnon.net/ArticlesOnline.htm Why a Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity “Hate Crimes” Law Is Bad for You, part 1 of 3], by Robert A. J. Gagnon, Ph.D.
[[Category:Religious Persecution]]

Hate crime

2012-06-19T22:45:10Z

Kasuhira: This ois purely an opinion not a fact. No basis or source whatsoever.

A "'''hate crime'''" is a [[liberal]] invention to try to criminalize [[politically incorrect]] attitudes, by making some crimes "worse" than others based on the views of the person committing the crime. The goal of this rewriting of criminal law is to create special advantages for those promoting a [[homosexual]] lifestyle and other favored liberal groups. The ultimate goal may be to criminalize the [[Bible]], or at least marginalize it.

Liberals will often demand prosecution as a "hate crime" whenever the victim was a member of a group politically favored by the liberal agenda, regardless of whether there was any evidence of actual hate for the group by the perpetrator. '

==Free speech and the Homosexual Agenda==

Liberals promote hate crime legislation to legitimize certain lifestyles by declaring them to be protected by law, and to chill [[free speech]] that criticizes those lifestyles.

Opponents charge that hate crime and hate speech rules amount to an erosion of [[First Amendment]] guarantees of freedom of religion, [[free speech]], and freedom of press. In particular, they object to rules or laws which equate condemnation of sin with prejudice.

Hate crime legislation imposes additional punishment for crimes held to be motivated by such "prejudice".

Hate crime legislation is a stepping stone for a lifestyle to become protected under anti-discrimination laws.

The [[gay rights]] movement currently attempts to equate racism and [[anti-Semitism]] with the condemnation of homosexual lifestyle. They claim that, like race, sexual orientation is 100% inherited and immutable but there are studies that question this claim [citation needed].

Nonetheless, the strategy of activists is to insist that condemnation of sin is a type of "prejudice" equivalent to a civil rights violation. They want people of conscience, who already condemn antisemitism and racism, to regard any critique of homosexuality as an expression of "hate".

There is a misinterpretation of a sermon by Jesus, who told people not to "hate" their enemies used in favor of the argument. What hate crimes legislation ignores is that Jesus never hesitated to condemn sin and frequently criticized wrongdoers.

A ladder to legislate social acceptance and promotion of a lifestyle would be as follows:

* '''Bottom Rung:''' hate crime legislation to recognize and accept the lifestyle.
* '''Middle Rung:''' anti-discrimination legislation to favor and promote the lifestyle.
* '''Top Rung:''' [[affirmative action]] to fully promote the lifestyle. [citation needed]

Additionally, some have argued that hate crimes should be applied in extreme cases, but that existing legislation is far too broad. For instance, they argue that merely telling a homosexual that he will go to [[hell]] if he does not repent should not be a "hate crime", but that actually killing that person (which in the opinion of the murderer, would send them to hell) should be classified as a "hate crime". This is generally seen as a more moderately conservative to centrist view on the issue.

===Legislative history===

The House of Representatives passed a hate crime bill on April 29, 2009, in order to give special protection to homosexual behavior, and to intimidate Bible-based criticism of it.<ref>http://uk.reuters.com/article/usTopNews/idUKTRE53S8IM20090429</ref> This bill has led many to be fearful. To quote OneNewsNow "This so-called 'hate crimes' bill will be used to lay the legal foundation and framework to investigate, prosecute, and persecute pastors, business owners, Bible teachers, Sunday School teachers, youth pastors -- you name it -- or anyone else whose actions are based upon and reflect the truth found in the Bible."<ref>http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=494798</ref>

Then [[Speaker of the House]] for the 2007-2008 [[Congress]], [[Nancy Pelosi]], sought to pass hate crime legislation proposed in the prior session of [[Congress]] in H.R.3132. [[H.R. 1592: Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007]] was then introduced by [[Democrats]] in the new session [[110th Congress]] that began in 2007.

In July 2007, [[Ted Kennedy]] bypassed a committee vote and attached hate crimes legislation to a massive defense appropriation bill requested by the President, in an effort to compel him to sign the hate crimes legislation.<ref>[http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56702 Kennedy cramming hate crimes into defense bill] 'Shameless attempt to push [[homosexual agenda]] ... by exploiting soldiers', Bob Unruh, ''WorldNetDaily.com'', July 17, 2007.</ref>

== Claims of Hate Crimes ==

It is claimed that about 1100 hate crimes against homosexuals or their property occurred in 2004.<ref>Federal Bureau of Investigation, [http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/hate_crime/index.html Crime in the United States 2004]</ref> <ref>FBI, Crime in the United States 2004, [http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2004/hctable4.htm Table 4 Offense Type by Bias Motivation] </ref> But most of those offenses occurred against property rather than individuals, often the result of drugs or alcohol. Only a tiny percentage even involved aggravated assault or worse, and those classifications are not based on any proof at trial.[citation needed] 74% of hate crimes are either crimes against property (e.g., theft, [[vandalism]] or [[graffiti]]) or the vague term "intimidation".<ref>FBI, Crime in the United States 2004 [http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/hate_crime/index.html#table2_33 Table 2.33 Incidents, Offenses, Victims, and Known Offenders by Offense Type]</ref>

The world-renowned pathologist Dr. [[William Eckert]] wrote regarding homosexual homocides the following:
{{cquote| Equally high is the number of homicides, many probably related to transient attachments, which often lead to suspicion, jealousy, and murder. When murder does occur it is exceptionally brutal with an overkill appearance... Overkill, as it is seen in homosexual and lesbian murders, is certainly a form of sadistic crime. In these instances multiple stabbing and other brutal injuries...are common findings...<ref>Tedeschi CG, Eckert W, Tedeschi LG, eds. Forensic medicine; vol 2. Philadelphia: WB Saunders, 1977:962</ref>}}
[[Image:Assocchurch138 yzsodw.jpg|thumb|The [[First Baptist Church in Gravois Mills]] was vandalized and threatened by [[homosexuality|homosexual]] activists and received obscene phone calls. An [[Federal Bureau of Investigation|FBI]] agent refused to list the incident as a hate crime.]]

However, Dallas Drake, President of the American Society of Criminology claims that homophobia is the general cause of these murders. <ref>http://www.citypages.com/2009-04-08/news/rommal-bennett-s-trial-revisits-spate-of-gay-murders-in-the-twin-cities/2</ref>

Some feel national statistics regarding [[homosexuality|homosexuals]] committing hate crimes against heterosexuals may be underreported. For example, the [[First Baptist Church in Gravois Mills]] was vandalized and threatened by homosexual activists and received obscene phone calls. An [[Federal Bureau of Investigation|FBI]] agent refused to list the incident as a [[hate crime]]. The incident involved an anti-homosexuality [[Bible]] verse on the church's sign.<ref>[http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=17075 Pastor finds FBI unresponsive to homosexual activists' threats], Bob Baysinger, ''Baptist Press'', Nov 13, 2003.</ref>

The Center for Reclaiming America cited the following account of how a [[hate crimes|hate crime]] statute was egregiously applied to an ex-homosexual:
{{cquote|In Madison, Wisconsin, a recovered homosexual who had left the “gay” lifestyle to start a family got into a heated discussion with an open homosexual about homosexuality at a gas station. The ex-“gay” man, David Ott, was holding his child in his arms during the entire incident, and neither man touched the other. The homosexual activist later told police he had felt threatened by Ott, and local prosecutors charged the man with “disorderly conduct” with a “hate crimes” enhancement.

The “hate crime” aspect, stemming from Ott’s belief that homosexuality is morally wrong, raised the potential fine from $1,000 to $10,000, and jail time went up from a possible 90 days to one year. Fearing the possibility of substantial jail time, Ott settled, and received 50 hours of community service plus a mandatory attendance at “tolerance” sessions conducted by [[lesbianism|lesbians]] at the [[University of Wisconsin at Madison]]. A ground rule for the session was the premise that homosexual behavior is not immoral.

The entire process cost Ott almost $7,000 in legal fees.<ref>http://test.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/fastfacts/HateCrimes2.pdf</ref>}}

Another example of an alleged anti-homosexual "hate crime" occurred at Columbia University in 2005, when two drunken students scrawled racist and anti-homosexual symbols on a dormitory wall. Initially charged with crimes carrying possible 4-year jail sentences, the charges were later dropped in exchange for some sensitivity training.<ref>[http://media.www.columbiaspectator.com/media/storage/paper865/news/2006/06/12/News/Ruggles.Vandalism.Case.Dismissed-2043702.shtml Ruggles Vandalism Case Dismissed], Elizabeth Kraushar and Eleazar David Meléndez, ''Columbia Spectator'', 6/12/06.</ref> "I am pretty sure [the perpetrator] thought he was playing a joke," said one dormitory resident about the incident.<ref>[http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=510542 Hate Crime Rocks Columbia’s Campus], Noah S. Bloom, ''The Harvard Crimson'', December 13, 2005.</ref>

There are very few anti-homosexual murders. The most publicized incident, the murder of [[Matthew Shepard]], was the result of severe drug abuse. After the defense attorney failed to [[exonerate]] the killers with an argument of self-defense against homosexual advances, the lead killer admitted in jail that homosexuality had nothing to do with his drug-induced murder:<ref>[http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=277685&page=3 New Details Emerge in Matthew Shepard Murder], ''20/20'', ABC News. Retrieved 22 July 2007.</ref>

:Asked [by ABC News] directly whether [the lead killer] targeted and attacked Shepard because he was gay, McKinney told Vargas, "No. I did not. ... I would say it wasn't a hate crime. All I wanted to do was beat him up and rob him."

:But if the attackers were just trying to rob someone to get a drug fix, why did they beat Shepard so savagely?

:[[Prosecutor]] Rerucha attributes McKinney's rage and his savage beating of Shepard to his drug abuse. "The methamphetamine just fueled to this point where there was no control. It was a horrible, horrible, horrible murder. It was a murder that was once again driven by drugs," Rerucha said.

:Dr. Rick Rawson, a professor at UCLA who has studied the link between methamphetamine and violence, tells "20/20" the drug can trigger episodes of violent behavior.

:"In the first weeks after you've stopped using it, the kinds of triggers that can set off an episode are completely unpredictable. It can be: you say a word with the wrong inflection, you touch someone on the shoulder. It's completely unpredictable as to what will set somebody off" Rawson said.

:"If Aaron McKinney had not become involved with methamphetamine, Matthew Shepard would be alive today," Rerucha said.

So what was the basis for the claim that this was a hate crime? According to ABC News, "Prosecutor Rerucha recalls that Shepard's friends ... contacted his office. Rerucha told '20/20,' "They were calling the County Attorney's office, they were calling the media and indicating Matthew Shepard is gay and we don't want the fact that he is gay to go unnoticed."<ref>''Id.''</ref>

Conversely, threats and vandalism by homosexual activists are typically not treated as hate crimes. For example, "The Federal Bureau of Investigation has refused to investigate threats made by homosexual activists against a Missouri Baptist Convention church in the Lake of the Ozarks area."<ref>[http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=17075 Pastor finds FBI unresponsive to homosexual activists' threats], Bob Baysinger, ''Baptist Press'', Nov 13, 2003.</ref>

==Criminalizing the Gospel==

Art Moore posted this at WorldNet Daily:

:"We don't want to promote hatred against anyone and are opposed to violence for whatever reason," said Bruce Clemenger, head of the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada's Centre for Faith and Public Life. "Our concern, though is that ... courts have not distinguished between the identity of the person and the activity. So sexual orientation refers to both the sexual disposition as well as the activity."

:But homosexual activists contend such a distinction cannot be made with homosexuals any more than it can with matters of race or ethnic origin.

:"The argument of separating the person from the behavior is their concept," insisted Kim Vance, president of Ottawa-based EGALE, Equality for Gays and Lesbians Everywhere.

:"In reality they are the same thing," Vance said in a WND interview. "That's language that they use to justify [opposition], but it's language that we don't agree with." <ref> [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29328 The Bible as 'hate literature'?], By Art Moore, ''WorldNetDaily.com'', October 21, 2002.</ref>

What this means is the [[gay rights]] activists want the government to agree with their primary claim, i.e., that homosexuality is a matter of '''identity''' - not a behavior, and certainly not a matter of choice.

==Hate Speech Outside the United States==

At least nine Western countries have made it a crime<ref>Revisionists in France and Germany have been heavily fined for their views" (Weber). Other countries that have different laws against Holocaust denial include Belgium, New Zealand, Australia, Italy, Canada, Austria, Germany, and Switzerland. [http://www.history.ucsb.edu/projects/holocaust/Research/VariousPapers/MonizDeniers034.htm Holocaust Denial] </ref>
to deny the historical reality of the Nazi [[Holocaust]] (the genocide of 6 million Jews and 5 million others). The idea is that it is "hateful" to the survivors and to the relatives of the victims to pretend that this painful episode never occurred.

Some people argue that being Jewish is a matter of race and thus unchangeable, and that being homosexual is likewise immutable. On these grounds they go on to assert that criticizing a person for being homosexual is just as "hateful" as denying the Holocaust. A serious movement has begun to brand criticism of homosexuality as [[hate speech]] and thus to outlaw it. It is succeeding in liberal countries of Europe and has spread to the United States. However, others feel that Holocaust denial is a different situation than criticism of homosexuals. Even those against homosexuals freely admit that some were killed in the Holocaust as a result of their sexual orientation. Denying this would be completely different than merely denying that their sexuality was "natural".

==Objectivism, libertarianism, and "Hate crimes"==

[[Objectivism|Objectivists]] and [[libertarians]] argue against the notion of hate crimes for minorities in general, saying that the only "true" minority is the smallest possible one, the individual. Therefore, killing any individual is a crime against a "minority" - the victim. Additionally, libertarians argue that it is wrong to punish an individual solely for a belief that led him to kill somebody. In other words, although libertarians feel it is wrong to murder someone because they are black, homosexual, or any other claimed minority, it is also equally wrong to murder someone because they are wearing a [[hat]]. However, even the most liberal individuals do not claim that the latter should be a hate crime.

==See also==
*[[H.R. 1592: Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007]]
*[[Matthew Shepard]]
*[[Homosexual agenda]]
*[[Homosexuality]]
*[[Homophobia]]

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=9672&department=CFI&categoryid=papers 'Hate Crime' Laws Threaten Religious Freedom]
*[http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0617mcnultyjun17,1,2035460.column?coll=chi-news-col&ctrack=1&cset=true 'What is a hate crime?'], Timothy J. McNulty, From the Public Editor, June 17, 2007.
*[http://www.robgagnon.net/ArticlesOnline.htm Why a Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity “Hate Crimes” Law Is Bad for You, part 1 of 3], by Robert A. J. Gagnon, Ph.D.
[[Category:Religious Persecution]]

Hate speech

2012-06-19T22:43:12Z

Kasuhira:

'''Hate speech''' is provocative speech used to denigrate a legally protected class or group of citizens defined by legislation. These protected groups can include gender, race, ethnicity, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, disability, and sometimes age. While language to protect other victim classes has been proposed, the Democratically controlled [[110th Congress]] has rejected protections against the military, pregnant and battered women, or the homeless. Under some legal codes, hate speech can be considered a [[hate crime]].

Forms of hate speech include [[Homophobia]]. Sites promoting the idea of hate speech include Hot Air and Conservapedia, among many others.

== Use of Term to Censor Religious Speech ==
Under a new Swedish law, any person who demonstrates disrespect (Swedish: “missaktning”) for people’s sexual orientation may be sentenced to up to four years in prison. Needless to say, although the Bible is clear about God’s love for fallen mankind and that “God so loved the world….” there are many passages in the Bible that warn about sodomy and its dangers to both individuals and society at large. Those passages – although expressing disrespect for the depraved act of sodomy - may erroneously be interpreted by some people to express disrespect for the people who engage in such activity. Or as the the Kalmar Court verdict against Pastor Green reads: “It is the opinion of this Court that Åke Green, through his statements, has deeply offended the homosexuals as a group and the purpose of his sermon was clearly aimed at showing disrespect for the homosexuals as a group.” [http://www.akegreen.org/]

Similar hate speech laws exist in [[Canada]], in the form of a provision in the [[Canadian Human Rights Act]]. Luckily, attempts to use these provisions to silence religious freedom have been unsuccessful. [[Muslim]] attempts to accuse [[Maclean's]] magazine of hate speech for merely criticizing the religion were rejected.<ref>http://ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCATRE49993920081010</ref>

Hate speech, even when legally defined as such, is not a crime in the [[United States]] because speech is protected under the [[First Amendment]]. In some instances, however, hate speech may be entered as evidence that a separate crime, such as assault, should qualify as a [[hate crime]].

==See also==
*[[Anti-Defamation League]]
*[[H.R. 1592: Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007]]
*[[Hate crime]]
*[[Liberal hate speech]]
*[[Liberal totalitarianism]]

==Notes==
<references/>

[[category:political Terms]]
[[Category:Religion and Politics]]
[[Category:First Amendment]]
[[Category:Liberal Traits]]

User talk:Jpatt

2012-06-19T22:40:43Z

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== Archive 2008 ==
[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Jpatt/Subway_Troll Here]

== Archive 2009 ==
[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Jpatt/2009]

== Archive 2010 ==
[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Jpatt/2010]

== Archive 2011 ==
[http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Jpatt/2011‎]

== Blank3r ==

Good job stopping him.[[User:JonM|JonM]] 14:40, 11 January 2012 (EST)

==Adambro==
Hi Jpatt, what did you mean by "AdamBro is clan but keep on eye on him. Sock puppets of BL4NK3R; NoohWicky, UtterMuppet, Maggie, B0LLL0X". Is he a sockpuppet ? --[[User:PhilipN|PhilipN]] 17:04, 11 January 2012 (EST)
:AdamBro is clean, as far as socks are involved. He might be what Tony has said, so follow his future edits.--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 17:10, 11 January 2012 (EST)
::I will, thanks for the info. --[[User:PhilipN|PhilipN]] 17:15, 11 January 2012 (EST)

== Thank you ==

Thanks for the welcome and reverting vandalism on my user and talk page! I don't understand that vandal --- it was my first day and I don't think i wrote anything controversial, why would anyone do that to me? [[User:Lansing|Lansing]] 12:02, 12 January 2012 (EST)
:Get used to liberal intimidation. We can block their ideology but they counter with vandalism. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 12:15, 12 January 2012 (EST)
::What a shame, indeed. [[User:Lansing|Lansing]] 14:35, 13 January 2012 (EST)

I think KendallP/BostonBakedBeans23 realized he wasn't following the name rule, and so changed it so he wouldn't get blocked. [[User:DynaboyJ|DynaboyJ]] 14:17, 16 January 2012 (EST)
:You would like to see Kendall unblocked?--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:24, 16 January 2012 (EST)
::Yes, and thank you for unblocking him. [[User:DynaboyJ|DynaboyJ]] 14:28, 16 January 2012 (EST)

: Also, Thanks! --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 20:03, 12 February 2012 (EST)

== Rubio ==

I'm curious as to why you reverted my edit? Everything I said was true and sourced. [[User:Ayzmo|Ayzmo :)]] 13:18, 20 January 2012 (EST)

Calling him a liberal is just tit for tat namecalling, but his support for PIPA is well documented. That should stay in the article.[[User:RachelW|RachelW]] 13:20, 20 January 2012 (EST)

:Add the PIPA stuff. Keep the liberal statement out. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 13:23, 20 January 2012 (EST)

::Thank you, I will. I don't apprive of name calling, either. [[User:RachelW|RachelW]] 13:25, 20 January 2012 (EST)

It wasn't done in namecalling. It has been stated by several members, including Andy, that any Republican supporting SOPA/PIPA is a liberal/rino no matter their record and stances. I questioned it but it was insisted. So I added what I did to Rubio since he was a sponsor. I don't consider Rubio liberal but I don't consider Lamar Smith liberal either. [[User:Ayzmo|Ayzmo :)]] 15:58, 20 January 2012 (EST)

Yes it is name calling. It was name calling when they did it to Lamar Smith and it was name calling when you did it right back to Rubio. Two wrongs don't make a right, and the proper response to an inappropriate edit is not another inappropriate edit. [[User:RachelW|RachelW]] 16:01, 20 January 2012 (EST)

:It's too early to label Rubio based on his supporting legislation. The Tea Party backs conservatives and Rubio. Also, I thought it was to early to label Scott Brown. I was wrong once. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 16:37, 20 January 2012 (EST)

== Vandalism ==

You do realise that you just reverted all my edits to the ones done by RickPeterson, who got blocked for inserting nonsense? Just saying... --[[User:GeorgeLi|GeorgeLi]] 16:24, 24 January 2012 (EST)
:Yea, Oops--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 16:26, 24 January 2012 (EST)
::Well, never mind. You fixed it now. I guess it gets confusing dealing with all those idiots. --[[User:GeorgeLi|GeorgeLi]] 16:27, 24 January 2012 (EST)

== MPR ==

Just letting you know that it was federal court that overturned Prop 8, not, as implied by your latest entry, a Californian court. Cheers. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 17:23, 7 February 2012 (EST)

==Two issues==
*(a) Archive 107 from [http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index here] mistakenly brings up Archive 106;
*(b) [http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/108 Talk:Main Page/Archive index/108] need to be added. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 11:51, 12 February 2012 (EST)

:Noted--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 22:02, 13 February 2012 (EST)

== Thanks ==

I wasn't aware I warranted vandalism :P Thanks for the reverts. [[User:Ayzmo|Ayzmo :)]] 19:37, 25 February 2012 (EST)

:You know what they say? Without evil we would never recognize good. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 20:44, 25 February 2012 (EST)

== Hi redneck ==

You don't have the skills to edit an encyclopedia. Please go, you monumental idiot. --[[User:Sextertainer|Sextertainer]] 13:47, 28 February 2012 (EST)
::Really, your brain is way too small. You can't write properly. Really. --[[User:Sextertainer|Sextertainer]] 13:48, 28 February 2012 (EST)

Your mom called, she said you are late for your LGBT counseling. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 15:23, 28 February 2012 (EST)

== Description ==

Hi Mr./Mrs. Jpatt,

(Please accept my apologies on the ambiguous greeting. Gender is difficult on the web without further research) Could you please give me a description of this web site? I'm writing about online media interfaces for a course at my university and would love to learn more.

Thank you,
Sarah

:Hi Sarah, try this [[Conservapedia:About]] and read about the wiki founder Andy Schlafly [[Andy_Schlafly]]. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 09:05, 2 March 2012 (EST)
::Thank you for the information. I will be in touch with Mr. Schlafly shortly. Sarah

==Judeo-Christian principles in the US Constitution==
Please show them to me. If there are none, please revert my editing of the United States of America page. - [[Rdsmith]] 10:42 (EST), 8 March 2012
: "all men are endowed by their Creator," In other words, the same era of people that wrote the Constitution, ratified the Declaration of Independence. I will not remove Judeo-Christian principles from the United States of America page. The Founders put us on the Gregorian calender. This means the Judeo-Christian.--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 11:04, 8 March 2012 (EST)

::That is the Declaration of Independence, which is not law, it is a deist reference, and to cite Jefferson for Judeo-Christian values is moot (at least) as he created his own Bible where he cut the New Testament to present Jesus as good moral teacher who died. The Gregorian calender was the prevailing calender at the time, and creating a new calender would have been folly. Again, please show me exclusively Judeo-Christian principles in the US Constitution. [[Rdsmith]] 11:35 (EST), 8 March 2012

:::Why create a new calender when the Farsi and Chinese calenders already existed? Again, please stop trying to split hairs on the subject between secular and religion. We were not founded as a theocracy and we were not founded as a Godless nation either. The overblown "Jefferson was not religious" lovefest has been debunked already. Your "moot" point that nobody talks about is that Jefferson founded the American Bible Society and paid for the importation of 20000 Bibles. Look at the opening preambles of the 50 state constitutions and their references to God. [http://www.christianindex.org/617.article]. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 12:06, 8 March 2012 (EST)
::::I understand that this story has been circulating for many years in many forms but none of this is true. Jefferson did not found the American Bible Society. Neither he nor Congress paid for 20,000 Bibles to be imported. The 20,000 number comes from a proposed resolution in Congress to import Bibles because there were no printers in the US during the revolutionary war and we were obviously embargoed from importing Bibles during the war. After the war there was a real shortage. Jefferson really wasn't Christian in any sense: he may have believed in his own idea of God but he absolutely didn't accept the divinity of Jesus Christ, his resurrection, the triune person of Christ, etc. These beliefs are central to Christianity as far as I am aware. I may be wrong about whether evangelicals accept the various personages of Christ. Jefferson accepted none of them. I understand the desire of Christian men to associate important figures with their faiths but we wouldn't do this with a villain or a blasphemer and we oughtn't do it with a man who didn't adore Jesus Christ as his lord and savior but only as some random guy who lived in Palestine a long time ago. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 13:06, 8 March 2012 (EST)

:::::I fixed my quote above. Jefferson did respect religion and is quoted praising the Bible. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 13:16, 8 March 2012 (EST)

::::The people living in the colonies were primarily accustomed to a European (therefore Christ-based) calender so using the Farsi or Chinese calenders would be of equal folly. I'm talking about the government of the United States and since the Articles of Confederation has been godless, as for America the nation, I'll agree it is has a strong Christian heritage (then again to question Christianity openly has been taboo until contemporary times).The "godliness" of the constitutions of the colonies range from freedom to religion to religious requirements for office (the latter being specifically opposed by the Constitution in Article VI). You can fixate on preambles all you want, all they state is ends, while I'm look at means, but I looked at the preambles of the constitutions of the states when America was founded, not very Judeo-Christian to me.

::::So, for a third time, in the context of " the United States Constitution was written; grounded on republican political principles and Judeo-Christian values," show me the specific Judeo-Christian values in the Articles of Confederation or the Constitution. If not, then I can show you the Enlightenment principles the government of this country was founded upon. The Declaration of Independence was based on Locke, but even Locke uses the term "God" as opposed to more deistic references of the Dec. -- [[Rdsmith]] 11:42 (EST) 9 March 2012

:::::I told you once but you didn't listen. You asked me three times but I will not respond. Is gay marriage in the Constitution?--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 11:59, 9 March 2012 (EST)

Would the "exclusively Judeo-Christian (or republican) principles in the US Constitution" include chattel slavery and the fact that people of African descent counted as 3/5 of a human being? [[User:HarveyG|HarveyG]] 12:51, 9 March 2012 (EST)

::::::White men may have purchased slaves but it was black men that sold them. It is liberal to belittle the Founders. With God in their hearts [http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html] the Founders set in motion the most powerful nation on the planet. Liberty, honor, and human rights central. They risked everything and got it right. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 16:31, 9 March 2012 (EST)

== Suggestions ==

Thank you so much for your great work and for the welcome message.
I am so encouraged to see this truly excellent encyclopedia representing what wikipedia could have been with some serious intellectual honesty.

A few suggestions:
1) Human Life International has a new president and is undergoing some great improvements in their ministry, including updating articles and resources. Perhaps they could be added to your top pro-life websites.
2) lovefacts.org is a veritable gold-mine of good medical references documenting the harms of induced abortion and contraception, which we need mine to improve many articles on the subject.
3) pop.org is the Population Research Institutes homepage; it is a pro-life alternative to PP's Guttmacher Institute, and they expose the myth of overpopulation and the numerous human rights abuses throughout the world in the name of "population control." Perhaps "overpopulation myth" or something similar would be a good page to refute these widespread errors driving the culture of death and its devotion to abortion and contraception.

I look forward to contributing in a forum where my input is appreciated and allowed to benefit the souls of all who may read the articles.
[[User:Frankgyn|Frankgyn]] 16:12, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

:Awesome, glad to see your interest and feel free to update articles or create new ones. Blessings. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 21:34, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

==Holy Week==
I'll be mostly absent this week. Blessed Easter! --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 19:38, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

== Reversion of vandalism ==

I blocked User:ShagMe but I am unable to revert the vandalism due to the spam filter inexplicably preventing me from doing so. It appears that a series of colons (that I obviously can't type here lest the spam filter get me again) is triggering the problem. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 18:51, 30 April 2012 (EDT)

== Question Evolution! Campaign is achieving its goal - people are questioning evolution! ==
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'''American [[young earth creationism]] increased in the last two years - Gallup survey.''' [http://creation.com/question-evolution Question evolution! campaign] and other efforts of creationists are working!.[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/american-young-earth-creationism.html]

It is so good to be a Bible believing creationist! It is so easy to crush the pseudoscience of [[evolution]]ism. It merely takes getting the anti-evolution message out there.[http://creation.com/creation-timely-tool-for-todays-evangelist][http://creation.com/taking-creation-evangelism-to-the-streets] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:34, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

== Thanks for removing the It Gets Worse link from the Anti-Semite website! ==

Thank you for removing the link to the It Gets Worse page, from a notoriously racist and anti-Semitic "Southern Conservative" website which blames the Jews for Communism, feminism, Facebook, and Psychoanalysis. I hate anti-Semitism, and I know Conservapedia doesn't endorse it either. I know it was a mistake that you posted the link first, but I looked at the website (Jett and Jahn media), and I was disgusted at the anti-Semitism and racism they espouse. They even have downloadable games which show the Ku Klux Klan as good guys! These guys give conservatism a bad name, and they are thankfully nobodies in the conservative movement.

You are indeed a great editor, who learns from his mistakes like any decent human being! Conservapedia forever! -[[User:RKLuffy88|RKLuffy88]] June 18, 2012

:I have notified [[Jewish Internet Defense Force]]. Thanks again for pointing that out. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 23:00, 18 June 2012 (EDT)

== Inaccurate motto ==

I am not sure if you are even aware of this but Conservapedia's claim as a trustworthy encyclopedia is downright misleading. No article in this wiki deserves to be labelled trustworthy. Do you really think we are stupid enough to believe your blatant lies?

User talk:WesleyS

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[[User talk:WesleyS/Archive1|Archive 1]]

== Morning.... ==

Would you please take a look and see if these are something we need? If not, let me know, and I will delete them. Thanks!
[http://www.conservapedia.com/Category:Egyptian_Mythology]
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Category:Egyptian_Deities&action=history]

--[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 07:23, 22 February 2009 (EST)
:I'd say delete [[:Category:Egyptian Deities]] and place the contents in [[:Category:Egyptian Mythology]], as there are some other pages in the [[:Category:Mythology]] we can put in there as well. Essentially, almost anything that qualifies as Egyptian mythology will also be Egyptian deities. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 10:55, 22 February 2009 (EST)

==Categegories==
Hi Wesley,
So when you have a main category and a subcategory, is it alright to use both? Example, I want to place [[Creation Care]] under the new category "Environmental Stewardship." Creation Care is already under environment. So should I just add the new category?? [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 21:02, 23 February 2009 (EST)

: Why not? I don't know of any current policies against this. All it does is increase the exposure of the article. [[User:CPWebmaster|CPWebmaster]][[User_talk:CPWebmaster|Talk]] 21:10, 23 February 2009 (EST)

::Great! Will do then. Thanks. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 21:13, 23 February 2009 (EST)

:::The more categories (within reason!) the easier for people to search! :-) --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 22:48, 23 February 2009 (EST)

::::I agree. In some of the larger categories (Politics, Science) it is probably best to subcategorize as much as possible without keeping the articles in the main category. Environment is, in itself, a subcategory of a larger one, Science, so placing [[Creation Care]] under both Environment and the new (sub)subcategory is fine in my book. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 09:11, 24 February 2009 (EST)

I moved Horatius Bonar from Cat: Sacred Music. I am trying to keep sacred music as a category for its types and forms, not for individual pieces of music, composers, hymn writers and the like. Perhaps there should be a Cat started for hymn writers...didn't I see Charles Wesley somewhere? BTW I just love ''"Categegories"''[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 17:20, 24 February 2009 (EST)

:Another word for the list, eh? Anyhow, your move was justified. I didn't see the other category. If we can round up enough pages for the Hymn Writers category, then by all means, go for it. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 17:23, 24 February 2009 (EST)

::Please make sure "Sacred Music" is under the SuperCats "Religion" and "Music", okay? --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 17:45, 24 February 2009 (EST)
:::Sacred Music has been placed under "Musical Genres" and "Religious Songs". [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 22:08, 24 February 2009 (EST)

== Nutter ==

Do we have a "nutter" category, like for the criminally insane of terminally moronic crazies, like Phelps? Seems unfair (although fun to see them froth at the mouth whenever I re-add that category to him) to liberals to actually, really saddle them with the likes of him.... --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 21:19, 26 February 2009 (EST)
:I'm pretty sure we don't, but I'm sure there are other articles deserving of such a title elsewhere within the site. Anyone come to mind? If so, let me know and I'll throw something together. Phelp's talk page has filled out quite nicely lately, hasn't it? Lots of debating. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 21:26, 26 February 2009 (EST)

==Busy day, eh?==
Lot of signings, I gather. Denver got Brian Dawkins :), best of luck with your signings. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 17:32, 28 February 2009 (EST)
:Yes, very busy. Also very surprising that Philadelphia gave up 3 of their top DBs (Dawkins, Sheppard, Considine). The Steelers generally aren't very active in the free agent market, at least for big names. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 00:40, 1 March 2009 (EST)

== De-Orphaned ==

Is it really appropriate to "de-orphan" a talk page to the article in its own talk page? --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 17:21, 1 March 2009 (EST)
:Probably not. I was just trying to see if it worked. I'll undo it. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 17:57, 1 March 2009 (EST)

== Vandalism ==

Could you block that Badger fellow? He made [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chemical_Ideas%2C_Salters&curid=87686&diff=634450&oldid=634446 this] interesting edit. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 14:57, 4 March 2009 (EST)
Thanks, that textbook is close to my heart. I'd like to say 'muy gracias' to sound cool, but I don't know how. Alas. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 15:02, 4 March 2009 (EST)
:No problem. I'm actually rather unfamiliar with that particular text, but I'm sure it isn't some Communist propaganda. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 15:06, 4 March 2009 (EST)
::It's my textbook. Safe to say I've seen no hammer and sickle yet, but maybe they've hidden the communist message very carefully. They do have a section on Mendeleyev though, so I'll be extra vigilant. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 15:35, 4 March 2009 (EST)

== Thanks! ==

For catching that return vandal, Wes. I added an email block on that "psy-troll" sock of a sock RonSt. I think the average age/maturity of that vandal site is down to 12! --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 18:28, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
:Sure seems like it. The name looked too similar to yesterday's idiocy to be anyone else. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 18:34, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

== Rocky Bleier ==

[[Rocky Bleier]] is a big hero of mine also. I've thought of doing an entry about him, and even having him speak at an event. Thanks for taking more initiative than I did.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 19:59, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
:Thanks, Mr. Schlafly. I've had the opportunity to meet him once (easy because he and I live in Pittsburgh) and he truly is an inspirational person. Feel free to add to the page if you wish. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 20:01, 9 March 2009 (EDT)

::I may follow up and ask him to speak at an event in that area sometime.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:34, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for your superb work in connection with the blocks and unblocks this morning! Godspeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:34, 13 March 2009 (EDT)
:Absolutely. I'm glad it happened when I was near my desk at work. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 20:41, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

== Unblock ==

Thank you partners! --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 00:59, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
:No problem. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 10:03, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

==Template unlocked==
Done. Please notify me when you're done so I can lock it again. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 17:32, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
OK, it is done. Thanks! [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 17:59, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Miami done too. Sorry so long, busy tonight. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 23:28, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

=={{tl|age}} template==

Hi, Wesley. You've done wonderful work on categories. They say every cat has nine lives, but you've given some of our cats much more than that! ;-)

I've recently incorporated [[Template:Age]] into some of those infoboxes that we use in certain biographical articles. Would you like to team up with me and set some of these up?

Just enter the date of birth in year|month|day format in the template. For example, a person born on January 1st, 1970 would be {{age|1970|1|1}} years old. And someone born on March 22, 1984 would be {{age|1984|3|22}}.

There is a slot in a lot of the infobox templates for the age. Add it like this:
:<nowiki>age={{age|1977|8|1}}</nowiki> (Shows up as Age {{age|1977|8|1}})

Clear? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 15:56, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

:Thanks, and I am willing to help. It could also work in the main areas of articles, for those lacking infoboxes. And I assume that this is for living people only? [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 16:17, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

::ROTFL!!!! Yes :-) The age template is only for living people. Otherwise Mozart would be how old now? <grin> --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 16:21, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Final Four ==

How's your bracket look? --[[User:JLauttamus|Jeffrey W. Lauttamus]][[User_talk:JLauttamus|Discussion]] 09:54, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
:Everyone is still intact in the Elite 8. It's only a matter of time until the upsets start pouring in. I have Louisville and North Carolina in the finals. Pitt loses to Villanova in the 8. That's what my head thinks. My heart says Pitt all the way!! [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 11:24, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

==Sorry to see you go!==
You have been indefatigable in your efforts; and have proven that we libs cannot be all tarred with the same brush. Cheers, good luck and take care! [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 17:46, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

== Thank you, Wesley ==

You have indeed shown that someone of good intent can indeed progress here, and even flourish. Thank you for all your contributions, especially with the categories! I am locking your User page, unless you ask for it to be deleted, or until you signal wanting to return, which I hope you will do at some point. Good luck to you, you will be missed. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 17:46, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

: WesleyS, thanks for all your efforts, and we'll miss you. It's ironic that you're leaving just as more evidence of the enormous advantages of conservative learning are coming in (see [[Talk:World History Midterm Exam]]).

: Upon reflection, I hope you'll agree that your time spent here was beneficial to others and to you. Assuming an absence of unexpected [[Parthian Shots]], you're welcome back anytime. Godspeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:38, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

::Wesley, I am really sorry to see you leave. I would like to heartily thank you - both for your contributions here and friendship in general. I wish you all the best for the future and would like to think of this not so much as ''sayonara'' as ''ja mate ne''! (That is just a sneaky way to have you stay in touch, in order to receive the translation!) --[[User:JessicaT|KotomiT]][[User talk:JessicaT|''nandeyanen?'']] 04:11, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

:::Thanks a lot with the rosters, man. I won't forget your kindness, you'll always be on my favorite users list (if that means anything). [[User:JY23|JY23]] 19:31, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

::::Is he back? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 15:26, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::He is, in a semi-retired fashion. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 15:29, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

== Extra privileges granted ==

Your account has just received blocking and SkipCatcha privileges. Congratulations!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:27, 16 August 2011 (EDT)
:Thanks! [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 09:27, 17 August 2011 (EDT)
==Thanks!==
Thanks for fixing the vandalism on my page. I hope that guy got blocked for it. --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 16:10, 19 August 2011 (EDT)
:No problem. Vandals go after anybody and everybody, no matter what wiki you edit. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 21:41, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

== Sup ==

This site contains nothing but bigotry, lies and hatred. You should be ashamed of being part of this website. People like you are the reason why the rest of the world has a negative perception of Americans.