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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Johntheapostle: /* Dinosaurs-like creatures in history and modern sightings */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Fdt566e4.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Triceratops skeleton at the American Museum of Natural History.]]&lt;br /&gt;
'''Dinosaurs''' were large, reptilian creatures which are now generally believed to be extinct.  The word '''dinosaur''' was coined in 1841 by Richard Owen&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i3/dinosaurs.asp Dinosaurs and dragons: stamping on the legends], ''Answers in Genesis''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, from the [[Greek]] words δεινός and σαύρα, meaning &amp;quot;terrible lizard.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Highlights of the history of dinosaur paleontology==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the United States during the 1900s, the public imagination was caught by the discoveries of [[Henry Fairfield Osborn]] (1857-1935) and the great competitive dinosaur hunters, [[Edward Drinker Cope]] (1847-1897) and [[Othniel Charles Marsh]] (1831-1899). Exploring in Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico, they found numerous fossil dinosaurs. Their museums worked out the techniques for mounting and displaying them.&lt;br /&gt;
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Osborn was a proponent of ''orthogenesis,'' as were many paleontologists up through the middle of the twentieth century. These paleontologists interpreted the fossil record as showing sustained, continuing, unidirectional trends in evolution, which they felt required some kind of driving principle in addition to natural selection. As the author of an encyclopedia article on variation and selection put it in 1911,&lt;br /&gt;
:Selection cannot create the materials on which it is supposed to operate... Both sides concur in the position assumed by Darwin, that the word &amp;quot;chance&amp;quot; in such a phrase as &amp;quot;chance variation&amp;quot; does not mean that the occurrences are independent of natural causation and so far undetermined, but covers in the first place our ignorance of the exact causation.... No doubt a large amount of variation is truly indefinite, so that many meaningless or useless variations arise... But there are several directions in which the field of variation appears to be not only limited but defined in a certain direction.... When beetles, or medusae, or cats vary, the range of possible variation is limited and determined by the beetle, medusa or cat constitution, and any possible further differentiation or specialization must be in a sense at least orthogenetic - that is to say, a continuation of the line along which the ancestors of the individual in question have been forced. Darwin himself showed that different species in a genus, or varieties in a species, tended to show parallel variations.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Mitchell, Peter Chalmers (1911), ''Variation and Selection,'' ''Encyclop&amp;amp;aelig;dia Britannica, 11th edition,'' volume 27 (TON-VES), p. 906&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Roy Chapman Andrews]] (1884–1960), said to be the prototype for the fictional Indiana Jones, is famous for his discovery of fossil dinosaur eggs in Outer Mongolia.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the 1970, Robert Bakker catalyzed a new era of dinosaur paleontology with evidence that dinosaurs were fully warm-blooded ([[endotherms]]) and fast-moving.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Benton, Michael J. (2000), ''Vertebrate Paleontology'' [http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0632056142&amp;amp;id=PQuKO7xqjNQC&amp;amp;pg=PA217&amp;amp;lpg=PA217&amp;amp;dq=%22robert+bakker%22&amp;amp;sig=imoHNyurTTCpztNV0Pp2EU7Fj6c p. 217]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Dinosaur Species==&lt;br /&gt;
Dinosaurs were immensely varied, and included both herbivores and carnivores.  Although many have been found in the fossil record, paleontologists expect that they have barely scratched the surface of the vast superorder that the dinosaurs encompassed.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/060905-dinosaurs_2.html Vast Majority of Dinosaurs Still to Be Found, Scientists Say], ''National Geographic''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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* '''Stegosaurus''' was a dinosaur with plates on its back and spines on its tail.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Different Perspectives ==   &lt;br /&gt;
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Ever since the discovery of dinosaur fossils, there has been debate about whether and how dinosaurs fit into the history of life on Earth.   &lt;br /&gt;
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Christians are often depicted as believing that God planted the fossils to test their faith, and it's true that some Christians believe that dinosaurs never existed.&lt;br /&gt;
Few creationists believe this.&lt;br /&gt;
Most people accept that dinosaurs existed.&lt;br /&gt;
Young-Earth creationists, however, reject the [[uniformitarian]] time-scale, and therefore believe that humans and dinosaurs co-existed.&lt;br /&gt;
Creationists also reject the now-popular idea that dinosaurs evolved into birds. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Creationary Perspective===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Creationism|Young Earth Creationists]] believe, based primarily on Biblical [[sources]], that dinosaurs were created on day 6 of the [[Creation Week|creation week]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;''Genesis'' 1:25&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  approximately 6,000 years ago, along with other land animals, and therefore co-existed with humans.&lt;br /&gt;
As such, they reject the [[Theory of Evolution]] and the beliefs of evolutionary scientists about the age of the earth.&lt;br /&gt;
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They believe that dinosaurs lived in harmony with other animals, (probably including in the [[Garden of Eden]]) eating only plants&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;''Genesis'' 1:29-30&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;; that pairs of each dinosaur [[kind]] were taken onto [[Noah's Ark]] during the [[Great Flood]] and were preserved from drowning&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3967/ Were dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark?], ''Creation Ministries International''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;; that many of the fossilized dinosaur bones originated during the mass killing of the Flood&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Carl Wieland, [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/219/ Dinosaur bones—just how old are they really?], ''Creation'', vol. 21 No. 1 p. 54&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;; and that possibly some descendants of those dinosaurs taken aboard the Ark are still around today.&amp;lt;ref Name=&amp;quot;Today&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Robert Doolan, [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/833/ Are dinosaurs alive today?], ''Creation'', vol. 15 No. 4 p. 12.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &lt;br /&gt;
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They use [[archaeological]], [[fossil]], and documentary evidence to argue that dinosaurs co-existed with mankind until at least relatively recent times.&lt;br /&gt;
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Because the term only came into use in the 19th century, the [[Bible]] does not use the word &amp;quot;dinosaur.&amp;quot;  However, they are alleged to be mentioned in numerous places throughout the biblical account. For example, the '''behemoth''' in [[Job]]  and the '''leviathan''' in [[Isaiah]] are sometimes said to be references to dinosaurs,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Allan K. Steel, [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/1799 Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur?], ''Journal of Creation'' vol. 15 No. 2 p. 42.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.answersincreation.org/job4041a.htm], ''Answers in Creation''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, although others have claimed that Behemoth and Leviathan are references to a hippopotamus or elephant and a crocodile respectively.  Young-Earth creationists point out that the descriptions don't fit these creatures, including that hippopotamuses and elephants don't have a &amp;quot;tail like a cedar&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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==== Extinction ====&lt;br /&gt;
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Creationists reject the &amp;quot;Great Impact Theory&amp;quot;, pointing out multiple problems with this theory. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Jonathan Sarfati, [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/2426 Did a meteor wipe out the dinosaurs?].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Creationists assert that evolutionists are frequently coming out with  a &amp;quot;New Theory of Dinosaur Extinction&amp;quot; and that their theories are laden with false assumptions. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Michael Matthews, [http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/1115dinosaur.asp Dinosaur demise theory, version #451], ''Answers in Genesis''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; It is worth noting, however, that more and more of these theories are being harmonized with one another.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=21082 More Than a Meteor Likely Killed Dinosaurs 65 Million Years Ago], ''SpaceRef.com''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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====Dinosaurs-like creatures in history and modern sightings====&lt;br /&gt;
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Creationists cite a number of reasons to believe that dinosaurs have existed until relatively recent times, and perhaps still survive. This discpline is called &amp;quot;cryptozoology&amp;quot; (the study of the Loch Ness monster, the yeti, Bigfoot, etc.), which is widely discreditated by scientists. No creature as massive as a dinosaur could exist on Earth without detection.&lt;br /&gt;
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* There have been a number of claimed sightings of dinosaur-like creatures.&lt;br /&gt;
** A thousand people reported seeing a dinosaur-like monster in two sightings around Sayram Lake in Xinjiang according to the Chinese publication, China Today.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Today&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
** Among those who believe in the existence of the [[Loch Ness Monster]], one popular theory is that it is a living [[plesiosaur]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;New Quest Is Haunted By 'Nessie'&amp;quot;, ''The New York Times,'' July 14, 1992, p. C4: &amp;quot;Believers say it resembles a plesiosaur and was trapped in Loch Ness during the Ice Age 12,000 years ago. The plesiosaurs were marine reptiles who are thought to have lived 65 million to 200 million years ago.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
** Locals in the Congo have reported a creature they name ''Mokele-member''&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Today&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.mokelembembe.com/ Mokele-mbembe The Living Dinosaur!]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, and from its description it appears to be a small plant-eating dinosaur.  The reports have been taken seriously enough that a biologist from [[Chicago University]] has made several expeditions to find the creature.  Another biologist has reported seeing the creature.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Today&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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* There are drawings of creatures resembling dinosaurs.&lt;br /&gt;
** An expedition which included Charles W. Gilmore, Curator of Vertebrate Paleontology with the United States National Museum, examined an ancient pictograph which he claimed portrays dinosaurs and man coexisting.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.creationism.org/swift/DohenyExpedition/Doheny01Main.htm Doheny Scientific Expedition, Hava Supai Canyon, Arizona], ''Creationism.org''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/read/the_hava_supai_dinosaur_carving The Hava Supai Dinosaur Carving], ''ChristianCourier.com''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
** The Nile Mosaic of Palestrina, a second century piece of art, is said to appear to be a piece of artwork that shows a dinosaur and man coexisting. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.s8int.com/dinolit2.html Dinosaurs in Literature, Art &amp;amp; History-- Page 2], ''s8int.com''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
** Engravings in the floor of [[Carlisle Cathedral]] appear to be of dinosaurs.  They are on the tomb of bishop Richard Bell, who died in 1496.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;See picture on page 241 of Batten, Don, et. al., 2007, ''The Creation Answers Book''.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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* Creatures matching dinosaurs and similar creatures have been described by various people groups.&lt;br /&gt;
** The description of the &amp;quot;[[Thunder bird]]&amp;quot; of [[American Indian]]s matches the descriptions of [[pterosaur]]s.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Today&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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* Descriptions of [[dragon]]s are widespread and match descriptions of dinosaurs, suggesting that dragons were real creatures and were actually dinosaurs.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Talk.Origins argues ([http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH712.html Claim CH712], ''TalkOrigins.org'') that the inclusion of dinosaurs within many cultures is based on the existence of fossils. Ancient people, unaware that the ancient fossils uncovered by erosion were of extinct animals, attributed the bones to living, magical creatures. This would explain the importance of dragons in Chinese culture - there are a large number of dinosaur (as well as non-dinosaur) fossils to be found in China.  CreationWiki's response ([http://creationwiki.org/Dragons_were_dinosaurs Dragons were dinosaurs] (rebuttal of Talk.Origins' claim CH712)) is that the fossils reminded people of the legends, not that the fossils inspired the legends.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
** The World Book Encyclopedia states that: &amp;quot;The [[dragon]]s of legend are strangely like actual creatures that have lived in the past. They are much like the great reptiles [dinosaurs] which inhabited the earth long before man is supposed to have appeared on earth.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Quoted in [http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/FAQ25.html What about the Dinosaurs?], ''CreationScience.com''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.  Dragons exist in the folklore of many European and Asian cultures.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;WB2000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;''Dragon'' entry in World Book Millennium 2000 CD ROM&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  World Book Encyclopedia says, &amp;quot;In Europe, dragons are traditionally portrayed as ferocious beasts that represent the evils fought by human beings.  But in Asia, especially in China and Japan, the animals are generally considered friendly creatures that ensure good luck and wealth.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref Name=&amp;quot;WB2000&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
** Dragons appear in the flag of [[Wales]], in traditional [[China|Chinese]] [[New Years' Day]] celebrations, and in the Chinese [[calendar]].  Every other creature on the calendar is a real creature.&lt;br /&gt;
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* That dinosaurs are not known from the fossil record above the [[Jurassic]] strata is not reason to believe that they have not survived until more recent times.&lt;br /&gt;
** Living specimens of orders of animals that were believed to have been extinct for millions of years have been found before, such as the Diatomyidae Squirrel &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Diatomyidae]] Squirrel [http://news.softpedia.com/news/They-Thought-It-Went-Extinct-11-Million-Years-Ago-19557.shtml]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, the [[Wollemi Pine]] &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Wollemi Pine &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Biotechnology Australia&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; [http://www.biotechnologyonline.gov.au/enviro/wollemi.cfm]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[Coelacanth]] &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Sulawesi Coelacanth. &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;University Of California, Berkeley&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;[http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/vertebrates/coelacanth/coelacanths.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;More on the Coelacanth &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;marinebio.org&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;[http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=54]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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* The recent dinosaur tissue find is a strong rebuttal of the claim that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Carl Wieland, [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3042 Still soft and stretchy], ''Creation Ministries International''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;!-- The Coelacanth are from a group that had previously been thought to have rudimentary limbs and so be the ancestor of land creatures, but this idea was dropped when living Coelacanths were discovered.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.users.bigpond.com/rdoolan/coelacanth.html Coelacanth: the world’s oldest fish?]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  Biologists see this as merely a minor adjustment to the story of evolution. --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==== Dinosaurs and birds ====&lt;br /&gt;
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Creationists contend that the idea that birds are descendants of dinosaurs is not demonstrated by the evidence &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3833/106/ Bird evolution?], ''Creation Ministries International''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Andy McIntosh, [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/540/ 100 years of airplanes—but these weren’t the first flying machines!], ''Creation'' vol. 26 No. 1 p. 44&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, and that the dinosaur-bird connection is even disputed by some evolutionists.&lt;br /&gt;
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In his article, &amp;quot;Fifteen ways to refute materialistic bigotry&amp;quot;, Dr. [[Jonathan Sarfati]] wrote regarding dinosaurs being descendants of birds:&lt;br /&gt;
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The same logic applies to the dinosaur-[[Bird|bird]] debate. It is perfectly in order for creationists to cite [[Alan Feduccia|Feduccia]]’s devastating criticism against the idea that birds evolved ‘ground up’ from running dinosaurs (the cursorial theory). But the dino-to-bird advocates counter with equally powerful arguments against Feduccia’s ‘trees-down’ (arboreal) theory. The evidence indicates that the critics are ''both'' right — birds did not evolve either from running dinos or from tree-living mini-crocodiles. In fact, birds did not evolve from non-birds at all! &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Jonathan Sarfati, [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/2610 15 ways to refute materialistic bigotry], ''Creation Ministries International''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Creationists also cite the evolutionist [[Ernst Mayr]] who in 1942 stated the following:&lt;br /&gt;
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“It must be admitted, however, that it is a considerable strain on one’s credulity to assume that finely balanced systems such as certain sense organs (the eye of vertebrates, or the bird’s feather) could be improved by random mutations.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/ReferencesandNotes10.html In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood], ''Center for Scientific Creation''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The March 2003 issue of ''Scientific American'' is also cited by creationists:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Of all the body coverings nature has designed, feathers are the most various and the most mysterious...The origin of feathers is a specific instance of the much more general question of the origin of evolutionary novelties--structures that have no clear antecedents in ancestral animals and no clear related structures (homologues) in contemporary relatives. Although evolutionary theory provides a robust explanation for the appearance of minor variations in the size and shape of creatures and their component parts, it does not yet give as much guidance for understanding the emergence of entirely new structures, including digits, limbs, eyes and feathers....&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Michael Matthews, [http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/0313sciam.asp Scientific American admits creationists hit a sore spot], ''Answers in Genesis''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000CD7F6-B16F-1E41-89E0809EC588EEDF Which Came First, the Feather or the Bird?], ''Scientific American''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Creationists also assert that the comparative anatomy analysis done by evolutionists comparing bird bones and dinosaur bones is flawed. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Dr. David N. Menton, [http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0328discovery.asp &amp;quot;Ostrich-osaurus&amp;quot; Discovery?], ''Answers in Genesis''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Evolutionary Perspective===&lt;br /&gt;
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The view of [[Theory of evolution|evolutionists]] and others who accept the uniformitarian timescale is that dinosaurs existed on earth from 230 million years ago to 65 million years ago. In this view, the entire population of dinosaurs were wiped out by a mass extinction event (usually thought to be an asteroid) about 65 million years ago.&lt;br /&gt;
Of course this precludes humans and dinosaurs co-existing. &lt;br /&gt;
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====Extinction====&lt;br /&gt;
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According to most scientists, close to 65 million years ago, at the end of the [[Cretaceous]] period, and the beginning of what is called the [[Tertiary]] period, an event occurred which has come to be known as the [[K-T Event]].  This event would have obliterated most life on Earth, plunging the world into something that would now be likened to global nuclear winter, through which few extant species could survive.  Although these scientists dispute the nature of the K-T Event (selecting among any number of catastrophes that could have caused the significant global cooling that resulted), most find that the claimed K-T Event was caused by the collision of a massive asteroid with the Earth, the dust and debris from which would have shrouded the sky for thousands of years, cooling Earth considerably.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Kevin O Pope, &amp;quot;Meteorite impact and the mass extinction of species at the Cretaceous/Tertiary boundary,&amp;quot; Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, available at [http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/95/19/11028]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  According to this view, the dinosaurs did not survive this cataclysm.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0823_020823_asteroid.html Prehistoric Asteroid &amp;quot;Killed Everything&amp;quot;], ''National Geographic''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  The dust from this impact is supposedly still visible as a line of metal of extraterrestrial origin and is often visible in sediment worldwide, occurring as a result of the vaporization and then fall of dust from the meteorite's impact, and its compression within the subsequent geological record.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;''Ibid''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  The crater is also visible.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/03/0307_030307_impactcrater.html &amp;quot;Dinosaur-Killer&amp;quot; Asteroid Crater Imaged for First Time], ''National Geographic''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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====An Explosion of new species ====&lt;br /&gt;
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The mass extinction of the dinosaurs removed a major food competitor, and predator, of smaller animals.  As a result of a new &amp;quot;vacancy&amp;quot; in the food chain, following the [[K-T Event]], vast speciation occurred, as the evolutionary pressure of a new cold age propelled animal species to adapt or die out.  According to this view, [[mammals]] were some of the main beneficiaries of this explosion: their fur allowed them to adapt to the cold, and their small size allowed them to conserve energy relative to the huge dinosaurs of the previous age.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Bennet, Shostak, Jakotsky, &amp;quot;Life in the Universe,&amp;quot; viewable at [http://www.amazon.com/Life-Universe-Jeffrey-Bennett/dp/0805385770]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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====Dinosaurs and Birds====&lt;br /&gt;
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As a number of feathered fossils (claimed to be dinosaurs) have been discovered, and evolutionary scientists claim the similarity in the bone structure between birds and dinosaurs show that modern birds are a descendants of dinosaurs.  This is often cited as an example of [[macroevolution]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/10/1006_041006_feathery_dino.html New Dinosaur Discovered: T. Rex Cousin Had Feathers], ''National Geographic''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Cladists place modern birds within the clade dinosauria, meaning that they consider all bird species today as, technically, dinosaurs.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://tolweb.org/Dinosauria/14883/1999.01.01 Tree of Life Web Project.] 1999. Dinosauria. Version 01 January 1999 (temporary). Accessed 30 May 2007.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Liberal Media? == &lt;br /&gt;
um, isn't that an opinion phrase? I don't really think there's a scientific basis for such a remark.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Didn't you hear? This is conservapedia, a place where ignorance coalesces into a gungy goo of people who think their opinions are always right. Anyone who doesn't agree with them is a goshdang Communist! Liberal Media, haha, oh boy that's a larf.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Everyone thinks their opinions are right.  That's why they're their opinions.  But you are right, the phrase &amp;quot;liberal media&amp;quot; has become an oft-lampooned indication of conservative paranoia.  The use of it will only serve to make this article sound Stephen Colbert-ish.  Not only do I think the phrase should be deleted; I think it should become the policy of conservapedia to strive to avoid it in the future.  --[[User:Mechrobioticon|Mechrobioticon]] 18:42, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::The [[Liberal-Biased Media]] is the GOP's equivalent of Hillary Clinton's [[Vast Right-wing Conspiracy]], as well as being an all-purpose scapegoat from when the facts turn out to have an anti-Bush agenda.  --[[User:BDobbs|BDobbs]] 21:49, 1 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Considering this page has been locked, I'd greatly appreciate it if an administrator would remove this clearly biased phrase.--[[User:Ge Ming|Ge Ming]] 15:38, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::There IS no Liberal Media! [[User:MrDubya|MrDubya]] 01:27, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Don't you mean &amp;quot;there is no cabal!&amp;quot; ?  --[[User:TK|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Sysop-&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;TK]] &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 01:39, 2 June 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Edits ==&lt;br /&gt;
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1) Removed the line about Bush executing Saddam. Saddam was executed by the Iraqis under Iraqi law.&lt;br /&gt;
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Why's this page locked?  It's not going to get any better if you don't let people add to it.&lt;br /&gt;
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The SysOp locked it b/c of rampant vandalism. It's an obivous target for such action{{citation needed}}.&lt;br /&gt;
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This page should be unlocked.  All of Bush's good (and bad) deeds will not be known to the world until this page is unlocked.  The point of our site here is to inform the people, and without people interacting and adding information, Conservapedia will die out.  People will go elsewhere to a more democratic environment, and that is not good for this site.&lt;br /&gt;
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That's just fine.  The Liberals can go to Communistpedia, and the people who want a more REPUBLICAN Wiki can come here!  --[[User:Ballon|Ballon]] 21:03, 11 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The liberals would probably  be far more intelligent than the people that frequent this site and go to wikipedia [[User:You're wrong|You&amp;amp;#39;re wrong]] 15:17, 4 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::communists can go to http://eng.anarchopedia.org/index.php/Main_Page [[User:Jaques|Jaques]] 15:21, 4 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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    :I'd rather Communism if Fascism were the other choice. If you really need to think you're always right to sleep at night, then be my guest my lil' Yank friend.&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn't the first sentence read Name, birth date, political party, etc. and then say only President of the United States?  After all, it's not like there is a Democratic President. --[[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 16:48, 12 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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If they didn't know bush was republican we don't want them on the site.&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think by &amp;quot;democratic,&amp;quot; the above poster (who failed to sign his/her comment) was referring to the political idea of democracy rather than the American political party, [[User:Ballon|Ballon]].  And let's try not to deride each other with pejoratives like &amp;quot;commie&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;fascist.&amp;quot;  Anyway, I agree that this page needs to be watched closely.  It is an obvious location for vandalism.  However, very sensible changes (exempli gratia: moving references of George Bush's religious values to a section other than &amp;quot;Foreign Policy&amp;quot;) have been suggested on this page, and they seem to have been largely ignored.  This article is not passable in its current state.  The sysops must either unlock the page or at the very least make changes that we agree upon on this talk page.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Photo ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Somebody deleted the body of this page and substituted a photo-- can anybody verify that this photo actually is President Bush?  (Could we maybe print the photo as a thumbnail, and link to the large photo?)&lt;br /&gt;
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I believe the photo is one of Prince Harry, who has recently taken up active duty in Iraq for the UK, in compliance with the American notion that leaders such as George Washington and the sons of prominent and wealthy people should be involved in and at risk from armed conflict for their country in equal measure to the legions of the poor they send to do their work for them.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Lacking Substance==&lt;br /&gt;
Conservapedia will go absolutely nowhere if its alternative viewpoints from wikipedia consist purerly in pejorative adjectives and vague speculative references.  Disprove alternative opinions with facts, not derogatory adjectives and slanted phrases.  I would provide examples, but they are more than clear and numerous.  &lt;br /&gt;
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This article is useless. It is a stub, which is fine, except that this is GWB, not some arcane entry.  This is made more eggregious since this page has undergone many edits, and nobody has decided to actually make it a full article, just back and forth fluff.  I admit that I don't particularly want to put the work in, because I don't care about this entry, I just think that conservapedia needs a credible entry for GWB to be taken seriously.  Compare with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush Wikipedia's entry].  &lt;br /&gt;
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As a starting point, how about information that would be useful, that you don't hear about in the liberal media;  Major (and minor) legislative pushes, both successful and not.  Who were his good conservative judicial appointments?  --[[User:Whatter|Whatter]] 01:51, 24 February 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Nation building ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It's interesting that Bush's stated opposition to nation building isn't modified to show that he has been involved in exactly that in both Afghanistan &amp;amp; Iraq for over half his time in office.&lt;br /&gt;
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I'd argue he hasn't done much nation-building in either of those places.  :(&lt;br /&gt;
It is weird, though--having a site for Conservative politics and having such dinky articles about President Bush and Iraq is like having a wiki about oceanography and not mentioning water. --[[User:Sandbagger|Sandbagger]] 14:38, 11 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am concerned that the entry reads as if it were written by a gushing fan instead of one who spent significant time researching the President. If the point of conservapedia is to become a credible resource intellectually honest about its bias, we must demand these entries be written at the highest standard possible. This is gossipy drivel; the libs are bound to cackle over it. }-(&lt;br /&gt;
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== Economy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since when is Exxon Mobile the bellwether of the US economy?&lt;br /&gt;
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Does it bother the reader that while citing Exxon Mobile profits being at record highs, gas prices also are at record highs? This may not be a very good supporting argument as it raises suspicion that our current American way of life is at risk due to the high costs of fuel, which is hurting real estate as more and more people re-urbanize living closer to their workplaces in the city as well as the overall economy as people go out less because they want to conserve fuel. {{unsigned|Tchen}}&lt;br /&gt;
::Does it bother the reader that [[China]] has one fifth of the planets population and only 1% drive cars?  Does it bother the reader that China's economy is growing at 17%?  Does it bother the reader that when 2% of China's population own cars, gas will go from $3 to $6 per gallon?  Does it bother the reader that US politicians in Washington DC can nothing about this?  Does it bother readers that implied solution here is to exterminate the Chinese?  Yes, it does bother this reader.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 15:28, 24 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Whoever wrote that is probably a Liberal grousing about the fact that Bush has made his corporate benefactors a great deal richer by strip-mining the American economy. --[[User:Ballon|Ballon]] 18:25, 11 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Paul O'Niell (the man who rescued Alcoa) tried to talk economic sense to Bush. Good advice fell on deaf ears. Then Cheney arranged his dismissal.&lt;br /&gt;
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I've just visited the Yahoo! article linked to by reference 7, and it says nothing about unemployment being at an all-time low in March, 2007. In fact, the article's assessment of the economy is quite bleak.&lt;br /&gt;
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Regarding “the Clinton years which lead to the lowest point of the stock market in January 2000 AD since the great depression of 1929 AD” it should be noted that the source that is cited states the opposite.    The stock market hit it’s highest in January 2000, before GWB took office.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Per the article quoted:  “Oct. 9, 2002, the Dow Jones industrial average, battered by the worst stock market meltdown since the 1929 crash, hit bottom. It closed 4,437 points below its January 2000 all-time high”. &lt;br /&gt;
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The major blow to the stock market took place in 2002, about 20 months after Bush took office.   It should be noted that this took place exactly one week after Congress authorized Bush to invade Iraq.  Investors claimed this as a reason for the drop in the stock market.   &lt;br /&gt;
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Such frequently found mistakes underlines why Conservapedia is more propaganda than an online encyclopedia and should never be used as a source of information.  The information is at best one sided, and more frequently, blantently false.   The truth does not have a conservative or liberal slant.  There seems to be a trend, however, in the last 12 or so years of American political media to baselessly proclaim an extream slant in media.  Just because the reader does not like the truth does not mean that the carrier is slanted.   &lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;quot;As we all know, the facts have an anti-Bush agenda.&amp;quot; -- Steven Colbert. (Or, to be more accurate, it looks like Bush has an anti-facts agenda. :( --[[User:BDobbs|BDobbs]] 15:32, 1 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Skull and Bones Club ==&lt;br /&gt;
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MountainDew, why did you take that part out?  It's a matter of public record (and any number of jokes) that Bush and Kerry are in the same club.&lt;br /&gt;
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The guy who put that in there was a known vandal, so I was just reversing all his edits at once. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 18:53, 13 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Locked Page ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should we really lock a page with so many typos? [[User:Czolgolz|Miguel_Cervantes]] 09:13, 14 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I can understand why the page is locked, obviously people will target Bush, but the page needs LOTS of improvement, not just typos, but the Economy section is laughable.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Indeed. No mention of the 8 trillion (is it 9 now) debt? [[User:GofG | GofG]] [[Special:Contributions/GofG|&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;|&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;|&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;|&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;]] [[User talk:GofG | Talk]] 20:07, 15 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Debt only matters if you ever intend to pay it off.  --[[User:BDobbs|BDobbs]] 15:29, 1 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Economy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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''Though the liberal media continues to disparage Bush's handling of the economy, they often neglect to report the many aspects of the economy that Bush has improved. For example, during his term Exxon Mobile has posted the largest profit of any company in a signle year, and executive salaries have greatly increased as well [5]. This is due to changes in the stock market that lead to a record high in 2006, recovering from the Clinton years which lead to the lowest point of the stock market in January 2000 AD since the great depression of 1929 AD, and &amp;quot;Companies are churning out double-digit profit growth&amp;quot; currently.[6] Even the working class is benefiting from the Bush economy, as unemployment hits an all time low in March 2007.[7] Bush worked with Democrats to raise the minimum wage to a more livable level.[8]''&lt;br /&gt;
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The information in this section appears to have either been written by a liberal who was interested in subtly undermining the informative authority of this particular entry (and possibly Conservapedia in general), or by someone who is perhaps good-intentioned but very badly informed.&lt;br /&gt;
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First of all, using Exxon-Mobil and executive salary increases as an indication of how much Bush has done for the economy is actually quite bad press for him.  The majority of Americans are not voting to line the pockets of the people at the very top.  They prefer to have their own pockets lined, even if it is just in small ways, like in tax cuts for the middle class.  Suggesting that Bush has done good for our economy as evidenced by the economic boon of the elite would seem to give credit to Bush's detractors who have accused him of being concerned only with his &amp;quot;oil buddies&amp;quot; and largest contributors.  Let's not add more wood to that fire, please.  That's how we lost the mid-terms - shooting ourselves in the foot.&lt;br /&gt;
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Second point, please, whoever has write permissions, clean up the spelling errors at the very least (Exxon-Mobile, signle - in this section)&lt;br /&gt;
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Third, someone else cited the error in referencing January 2000 as the lowest point of the stock market.  In addition to their points (including the quote from the article that was supposedly used as reference for that inaccurate &amp;quot;fact&amp;quot;), I think it's important to clarify that while the market has never dropped as low as it did following the crash of 1929, the *percentage* drop could again be as great as it was in 1929.  In 1929 the percentage drop was 23%.  In 1987, the crash of October caused a dip of 22.7%.  The actual numbers of 1929 were in the 200-400 range, whereas the Dow Jones is over 12,000 right now.  If, in the modern era, the DJIA ever dropped as low as it did in 1929, i.e., down ot the 200-400 range, then we may as well prepare for Armageddon, because the state of the world would probably be *that* bad.&lt;br /&gt;
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Fourth, is it necessary to place A.D. after every year, even when it is obvious that the referenced year is In the Year of Our Lord (i.e. Anno Domini)?  It seems unnecessary, and certainly cumbersome to have A.D. following years that are obviously referring to U.S. political events.  Our conservative audience is not so dumb as to be confused about whether the Clinton administration of the year 2000 is in reference to 2000 years before or 2000 years after the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ.  Mostly I agree that we should not be concerned about the stereotypes our liberal brothers and sisters have placed upon us, but when possible for us to avoid looking stupid and playing into the stereotypes the liberals have assigned to us, I think we ought do so.&lt;br /&gt;
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Fifth, the unemployment rate is dropping for March 2007, and this is wonderful and it speaks well of Bush's handling of the economy.  It is not the lowest rate of all time, however.  I don't feel compelled to provide sources here, because this information is readily available in under 2 minutes of searching for &amp;quot;U.S.&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;unemployment rate&amp;quot; on any search engine of your choosing.  The Bureau of Labor Statistics, for example, can tell you that the lowest unemployment rate of the last 60 years was in 1953 at just under 3%.  It's an easy fact to check, and a ridiculous error to lock into an entry about our President.  There are true pieces of information about President Bush that make him worthy of admiration.  There is no need to attempt to bolster his image with false information.  &lt;br /&gt;
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And finally, let's please be honest about the minimum wage situation.  The decision to raise the minimum wage is controversial among conservatives, and I am  having difficulty finding a reliable source that suggests Bush supports, in isolation, the idea of raising the minimum wage (i.e. without tax-cuts for small-businesses also tacked on as a proviso).  In terms of economic growth, raising the minimum wage may not be helpful, and everything I have read about President Bush seems to indicate that he knows that.  So any suggestion that his personal opinion is that the minimum wage should be raised is questionable.  Aside from his personal opinion, in his professional capacity, he most certainly hasn't been placed in a position of &amp;quot;working with the Democrats to raise the minimum wage to a livable level.&amp;quot;  The Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007 has passed in both the House and the Senate, but it has not yet been presented to our President to be signed into law, because it is pending committee review.  Additionally, crediting Bush with &amp;quot;working with Democrats&amp;quot; on this is erroneous.  Bush has reached across partisan lines on many occasions, but this particular bill was brought on entirely by Democratic feather-ruffling during their &amp;quot;First 100-Hours&amp;quot; campaign.  It was an attempt by the Dems to make a garish display of their new &amp;quot;authority,&amp;quot; having gained the majority in Congress.&lt;br /&gt;
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::My personal political philosophies aside, I completely agree that Exxon-Mobile is probably the worst company that could have been chosen to show support for Bush's economic policies. This is an encyclopedia for conservatives, but if it's going to stand up to the criticisms of the liberal community and not be a major source of embarrassment for conservatives as a whole, it must hold itself to a higher level of political awareness. Whether one believes Exxon-Mobile's booming business is proof the economy is in great shape or not, the majority of those who read this (including conservatives) will fall out of their chairs when they read that. I guarantee you, liberal citizens all across America will copy and paste the paragraph into their blogs for their readers to laugh at.&lt;br /&gt;
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::This is probably the most important article on conservapedia.  It HAS to be beyond reproof. --[[User:Mechrobioticon|Mechrobioticon]] 14:42, 1 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: When is this going to be fixed? The &amp;quot;lowest unemployment rate in history&amp;quot; is not true, it was far lower in the 60s, and lower during the later years of the Clinton administrator. The claim isn't even supported by the reference, which claims &amp;quot;the lowest in five years&amp;quot;, which I suppose is true enough. Concise and fact based indeed. --[[User:Abrown|Abrown]] 16:02, 6 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;He is now working tirelessly to end the Iraqi insurgency and stabilize the region.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Eh, ok? Source? A silly attempt to try to create some kind of sympathy for the man. It's like saying &amp;quot;Jesus was very kind.&amp;quot; in his entry. It has got nothing to do with facts and people should be given facts on this site and then determine for themselves if Jesus was kind and if GWB is working tirelessly.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Agreed.  Authors establish bias effectively by utilizing fact selectivity and through awareness of the perspective from which those facts are related.  Ineffective authors establish bias by simply writing their opinions.  An openly biased article is not the same thing as an opinion column.  An encyclopedia does not need to allow itself to be tainted with opinions in order to be biased.  This is supported by conservapedia itself in its article &amp;quot;Examples of Bias in Wikipedia.&amp;quot;  (Wikipedia, however biased it may or may not be, never allows anything close to the candid opinions of its editors to pollute articles.)&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;Hard Work&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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:Sarcasm and exaggeration are the didactic devices of idiots.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ridicolous Article ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This whole article is a joke, right?  How can you put this out as fact when it has been debunked so many times?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Better Picture==&lt;br /&gt;
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This article does not just neglect important information, but also gives incorrect facts. Al Gore won the popular vote in the 200 election. Also, this I laugh out loud that people are actually believing this conservopedia crap.&lt;br /&gt;
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* The article needs to have &amp;lt;tt style=&amp;quot;background-color:#bfb&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{DEFAULTSORT:Bush, George W.}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/tt&amp;gt; added just above the categories at the bottom, so its category sortkey is set properly.  Thanks.  --[[User:Interiot|Interiot]] 17:02, 31 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;quot;Hugely successful?&amp;quot;  I missed the announcement that they'd caught Osama Bin Laden. --[[User:BDobbs|BDobbs]] 15:56, 1 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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You neglected to mention that Bush lost the popular vote in 2000 by a half-million votes. Your refusal to address it is just plain sad. Jesus hates liars.&lt;br /&gt;
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The line, &amp;quot;Many people feel that George W. Bush's faith is sincere and profound. The Faith of George W. Bush, a non-political book by author Stephen Strang, made the New York Times best-sellers list&amp;quot; should be quickly deleted from this article.  I know wikipedia doesn't allow such B.S. qualifiers as &amp;quot;many people feel,&amp;quot; and neither should conservapedia if it's going to be taken seriously.  Just state that he's a Christian.  How profound his Christian-ness is is both irrelevant and unquantifiable.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don't agree with the first paragraph by Mechrobioticon, but I do agree with the second paragraph. I think that faith statement should be moved from the &amp;quot;Foreign Policy&amp;quot; section to a new &amp;quot;Faith&amp;quot; section. There is tons of material from the book ''God and George W. Bush''. [[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User Talk:Crocoite|talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 02:30, 1 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::OK, maybe requesting that the reference be completely omitted is a little harsh to ask of a conservative encyclopedia, but I still stand by my statement that it needs to be drastically reworded.  &amp;quot;Many people feel&amp;quot; is simply a phrase that should never be used in scholarly writing.  It's an obvious euphemism for &amp;quot;I feel,&amp;quot; and a bad attempt to cover up personal bias.  It makes the article appear very amateurish and will become a point of ridicule for knowledgeable readers.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I agree that how &amp;quot;profound&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;sincere&amp;quot; one's faith in something is is a poor indicator of one's character (not to mention highly arbitrary and impossible to confirm), but this isn't my encyclopedia.  It's conservapedia.  The ideas of the secular humanist must yield to the consensus of the conservative majority.  I think that even bearing this fact, however, that there is a good case to be made for the removal of the sentences in question on the basis that they are, in fact, an opinion that can't be indisputably confirmed.  But again, that's not my place to decide, and if the conservative editors and sysops of conservapedia say &amp;quot;it stays,&amp;quot; then it stays.  Secularists should always remember that we are here to advise and help, not to ridicule and lampoon.&lt;br /&gt;
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There's no information about how GWB is being named the Worst President in History [http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/the_worst_president_in_history] by alot of people, as well as having some of the lowest approval ratings ever.[http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm][http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/27/opinion/polls/main1350874.shtml] And lack of information about major events in his presidency. Such as Katarina, September 11th and stuff like that.&lt;br /&gt;
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Period. This isn't an encyclopedia entry, this is more like the bio somebody writes for the program to their high school musical. Could it be more bland? Ish. [[User:Flippin|Flippin]] 16:02, 24 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Nothing about his childhood, his college, or his time as Texas governor.  And there never will be.  Conservapedia doesn't trust their editors to write about this icon.  (They might mention, for instance, his drunk driving arrest or allegations of cocaine use). [[User:Czolgolz|Czolgolz]] 13:36, 30 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Someone tell me when this article is fixed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that this article is hopeless.  It's not my opinion that George W. Bush's &amp;quot;sincere and profound faith in God&amp;quot; doesn't belong in the foreign policy section of this article.  It's a demonstrable fact.  Someone tell me what qualifies his religion as a formal written policy by which America's interactions with other countries are deliberated, and I will shut up.  The addition is also poorly written, vague, unscholarly, conjectural, impossible to confirm, and dripping with bias and ethnocentrism, but I'll ignore that.  Just move it.  Please just move it.  If this ever happens, please email me at happyhealey@gmail.com, and will resume contributing to Conservapedia.  It's ludicrous for a wiki project to be unable to correct its own typographical errors. It's been a month.  A whole month.  If this were Wikipedia it would have been corrected in less than five minutes.  This is, without exaggeration, pitiful.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Mechrobioticon|Mechrobioticon]] 23:24, 29 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, at least you changed the picture.  Good to know the article isn't completely stagnant.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Mechrobioticon|Mechrobioticon]] 23:32, 29 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== How can I edit this article? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There are some spelling mistakes (Exxon Mobil not Exxon Mobile) and grammar that need correcting but I can't get on to fix it. [[User:Erasmus|Erasmus]] 11:19, 1 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Could someone add &amp;quot;Category:Christian warriors&amp;quot; which I created specifically for Dubya?[[User:Muschifresser|Muschifresser]] 08:23, 3 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Protected articles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Protected articles infringe on the right to free speech. I am greatly opposed to this policy. Bush happens to be one of my favorite people and you are depriving the fact that I can't contribute to this article is appalling. I know you are worried about vandals, but you are just punishing the innocent. The world is being deprived of my great knowledge, these are sad times.--[[User:BushRules12|BushRules12]] 23:22, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Eavesdropping program ==&lt;br /&gt;
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When it becomes possible to edit this article again, something should be added about the NSA eavesdropping program.  As today's New York Times indicates, this program is extremely controversial even among conservatives and almost led to the resignations of Attorney General Ashcroft and FBI Director Mueller.--[[User:Amyz]] 10:04, May 16, 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This is one sad page... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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....And since it's locked, only the syspos (who have enough to do as it is) can DO anything with it.  --[[User:Gulik3|Gulik3]] 02:37, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*I quite agree, Gulik3.  Me, for instance, I have been reading your many posts, all seeming to be unhappy ones.  I hope you will straighten us out with good, solid examples of article production so that we may learn from you!  --[[User:TK|&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Sysop-&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;TK]] &amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;[[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt; 05:16, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::That's be a good trick on my part, seeing how everything worth editing is locked. --[[User:Gulik3|Gulik3]] 23:53, 21 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::There actually is a real simple way around that: try, for the first time in known history, to actually write an article according to WP's NPOV.  It would actually work here.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 00:15, 22 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::'''Wikipedia's''' NPOV?  The onbe that's &amp;quot;Six times more Liberal than America&amp;quot;?  That NPOV?  I can try... --[[User:Gulik3|Gulik3]] 00:29, 22 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Yep. Since WP does not enforce its only policies, perhaps we can have the first ever NPOV article written here.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 00:42, 22 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== template ==&lt;br /&gt;
I think this article should use a template similar to the others in Presidents of the United States category.. see [[Dwight D. Eisenhower]] for example.  --[[User:Colest|Colest]] 13:03, 24 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Public Criticisms? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Shouldn't Bush's page have a public criticisms page as suggested in the manual of style? It is an issue significant to his presidency. And what about his handling of 9-11? And why does the economic section sound sarcastic with respect tp executive salaries. This article needs a lot of help. [[User:Pokowpane|Pokowpane]] 18:00, 31 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:What? You think you can do it?  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:28, 31 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This page should have a criticism title like those for other President's. I don't think it has much credibility unless it does. [[User:Priestspez|Priestspez]] 10:24, 18 June 2007&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Charles Darwin</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Johntheapostle: typo&lt;/p&gt;
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'''Charles Robert Darwin''' (12 February 1809 - 19 April 1883) was a famous naturalist born in England. He is best known for the the [[Theory of Evolution]] by Natural Selection which has since been almost universally accepted by biologists as the foundation of modern biology. The concept is that organisms are modified over vast amounts of time by naturally occurring processes, originating from common ancestors that lived tens of millions of years ago. Outside of evolution in particular, he was regarded as an expert on barnacles, as well as being credited with discovering how coral [[atoll]]s were formed.&lt;br /&gt;
==General Biography==&lt;br /&gt;
Charles Darwin was born in Shrewsbury, England in 1809 to his parents Dr. Robert Darwin and Susannah Wedgewood. Darwin's mother was a religious woman but his father was, for the most part, a weak deist. Despite his lack of theistic religious belief, Darwin's father allowed Charles to be baptized into the Anglican Church and encouraged him to become a clergyman. Darwin's mother died in 1817. In 1825 he went on to study medicine at the University of Edinburgh. There, he became horrified with the brutality of surgery before anesthesia was invented and quit his medical studies. In 1831 he graduated from Christ's College at Cambridge with a BA degree in the classics and theology. On December 27 of the same year he departed on the ''HMS Beagle'' for a five year voyage of exploration. The ''Beagle'' returned to English shores on October 2 1836. In 1837, Darwin drew his now famous depiction of common ancestry in the form of a branching tree &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Charles Darwin, Transmutation Notebook B 1837:36&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. The following year he discovered the concept of ''natural selection.'' Darwin insists that naturally occurring phenomena and factors working together in blind tandem have produced nature and eventually mankind. In 1842 he wrote out a ''sketch'' of his theory but did not publish it. Again, in 1844 he produced what is known today as an ''essay'' of the same theory more developed but he still chose not to publish. Finally, in 1859, Darwin publishes his famous theory about how life may have been produced without any aid from a Divine Creator, he titles his book: ''On The Origin Of Species By Means Of Natural Selection Or The Preservation Of Favoured Races In The Struggle For Life.'' In 1871, well after his theory enjoyed widespread success, Darwin published his ideas on human evolution in a two volume book titled ''Descent of Man.''&lt;br /&gt;
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==Religious Views==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CharlesDarwin.jpg|thumb|150px|left|Charles Darwin in 1880 at the age of 71.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Charles Darwin likely abandoned Christianity as a student when he disappointed his father by refusing to become a minister.  As an adult he was an [[atheist]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Mayr, Ernst ''One Long Argument'' 1991:75&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. In 1859 (at the age of fifty) Darwin published his famous book ''The Origin of Species''. &amp;quot;In order not to hurt the feelings of his friends and wife, Darwin often used deistic language in his publications&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;ibid. 1991:75.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. According to Darwin the &amp;quot;manifestly false history of the world&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;ibid. Barlow 1958:85.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; as recorded in the Old Testament and New Testament miracles led him to reject Biblical veracity &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;ibid. Barlow 1958:85-87.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. Eminent Darwin biographer, Professor Janet Browne, sums up Darwin's views concerning religion: Darwin &amp;quot;mapped out a comparative evolution of the religious sense, proposing that religious belief was ultimately nothing more than a primitive urge to bestow a cause on otherwise inexplicable natural events...In short, he made no secret of his view that he did not believe religion to have any rational foundation at all&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Browne, Janet  ''Charles Darwin The Power of Place'' 2002:341&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. When he died in 1882 at the age of seventy-three, Darwin was buried at Westminster Abbey next to Sir [[Isaac Newton]].&lt;br /&gt;
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There exists in hostile Darwin literature a story about a Christian called Lady Hope who visited and spoke with a dying Charles Darwin.  This appears to be merely a legend, and there is no evidence that Lady Hope ever converted or even visited Darwin on his deathbed. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.carm.org/evo_questions/deathbed.htm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Biology]][[Category:Evolution]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Johntheapostle</name></author>
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		<title>Charles Darwin</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Johntheapostle: /* General Biography */ Darwin's motives does not undermine evolution; the &amp;quot;genetic fallacy&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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'''Charles Robert Darwin''' (12 February 1809 - 19 April 1883) was a famous naturalist born in England. He is best known for the the [[Theory of Evolution]] by Natural Selection which has since been almost universally accepted by secular scientists as the foundation of modern biology. The concept is that organisms are modified over vast amounts of time by naturally occurring processes, originating from common ancestors that lived tens of millions of years ago. Outside of evolution in particular, he was regarded as an expert on barnacles, as well as being credited with discovering how coral [[atoll]]s were formed.&lt;br /&gt;
==General Biography==&lt;br /&gt;
Charles Darwin was born in Shrewsbury, England in 1809 to his parents Dr. Robert Darwin and Susannah Wedgewood. Darwin's mother was a religious woman but his father was, for the most part, a weak deist. Despite his lack of theistic religious belief, Darwin's father allowed Charles to be baptized into the Anglican Church and encouraged him to become a clergyman. Darwin's mother died in 1817. In 1825 he went on to study medicine at the University of Edinburgh. There, he became horrified with the brutality of surgery before anesthesia was invented and quit his medical studies. In 1831 he graduated from Christ's College at Cambridge with a BA degree in the classics and theology. On December 27 of the same year he departed on the ''HMS Beagle'' for a five year voyage of exploration. The ''Beagle'' returned to English shores on October 2 1836. In 1837, Darwin drew his now famous depiction of common ancestry in the form of a branching tree &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Charles Darwin, Transmutation Notebook B 1837:36&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. The following year he discovered the concept of ''natural selection.'' Darwin insists that naturally occurring phenomena and factors working together in blind tandem have produced nature and eventually mankind. In 1842 he wrote out a ''sketch'' of his theory but did not publish it. Again, in 1844 he produced what is known today as an ''essay'' of the same theory more developed but he still chose not to publish. Finally, in 1859, Darwin publishes his famous theory about how life may have been produced without any aid from a Divine Creator, he titles his book: ''On The Origin Of Species By Means Of Natural Selection Or The Preservation Of Favoured Races In The Struggle For Life.'' In 1871, well after his theory enjoyed widespread success, Darwin published his ideas on human evolution in a two volume book titled ''Descent of Man.''&lt;br /&gt;
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==Religious Views==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CharlesDarwin.jpg|thumb|150px|left|Charles Darwin in 1880 at the age of 71.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Charles Darwin likely abandoned Christianity as a student when he disappointed his father by refusing to become a minister.  As an adult he was an [[atheist]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Mayr, Ernst ''One Long Argument'' 1991:75&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. In 1859 (at the age of fifty) Darwin published his famous book ''The Origin of Species''. &amp;quot;In order not to hurt the feelings of his friends and wife, Darwin often used deistic language in his publications&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;ibid. 1991:75.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. According to Darwin the &amp;quot;manifestly false history of the world&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;ibid. Barlow 1958:85.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; as recorded in the Old Testament and New Testament miracles led him to reject Biblical veracity &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;ibid. Barlow 1958:85-87.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. Eminent Darwin biographer, Professor Janet Browne, sums up Darwin's views concerning religion: Darwin &amp;quot;mapped out a comparative evolution of the religious sense, proposing that religious belief was ultimately nothing more than a primitive urge to bestow a cause on otherwise inexplicable natural events...In short, he made no secret of his view that he did not believe religion to have any rational foundation at all&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Browne, Janet  ''Charles Darwin The Power of Place'' 2002:341&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. When he died in 1882 at the age of seventy-three, Darwin was buried at Westminster Abbey next to Sir [[Isaac Newton]].&lt;br /&gt;
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There exists in hostile Darwin literature a story about a Christian called Lady Hope who visited and spoke with a dying Charles Darwin.  This appears to be merely a legend, and there is no evidence that Lady Hope ever converted or even visited Darwin on his deathbed. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.carm.org/evo_questions/deathbed.htm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Biology]][[Category:Evolution]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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