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User:JZambrano

2026-10-07T19:48:13Z

JZambrano: /* Bottom Line */

I enjoyed my time editing at Conservapedia and have no hard feelings for the situation when I was a moderator, it was my decision. I disagreed with Karajou a bit at the time but have come to see his side of things moreso over time. I may contribute a bit at some point and find the conservative discussion here informative and thought-provoking.

I was [http://creationwiki.org/User:Jzyehoshua User:Jzyehoshua at Creationwiki] but it seems to be down due to server problems now unfortunately.

If my views seem odd, it's only because truth is stranger than fiction. I just follow the facts.

==Bio==

My name is '''[http://www.facebook.com/Jzyehoshua Joshua David Zambrano]''', and I'm a resident of Illinois. I received my A.A.S. in Business Management from Waubonsee Community College, and previously transferred to Northern Illinois University from the University of Nebraska at Omaha. I was majoring in Political Science.

Jzyehoshua is simply my initials, Jz, followed by the Hebrew name origin for Joshua ("Yehoshua"), i.e. "Joshua Z". I am a Christian who believes the Bible is literally true. While I do believe typos exist in some of the preserved manuscripts, I do not believe this substantially alters the preserved message of the Bible, and that the vast wealth of manuscript evidence is God's way of preserving His Word for future generations.

==Editing Guide==
I'll have a guide with some useful and practical advice for editing and researching at [[User:Jzyehoshua/Guide_To_Editing]].

==Contributions==
I will be keeping a workspace of articles I've created or am working on for easy finding at [[User:Jzyehoshua/Contributions]].

==Politics==
I do not support any political party or politician at this time. I lean Republican (which are the candidates I typically back) but pick and choose which Republicans to support. I have at times also supported the conservative 3rd party, the Constitution Party (which in Illinois tends to support more conservative candidates then the state Republican Party), as well as from 2009-10 the conservative pro-life Democrats who voted against Obamacare and the Stimulus bills while substantially risking their own reelection chances in doing so (although I will never support the Demonrat party as a whole, I find essentially their entire platform abhorrent). (Concerning my brief one-year support of DFLA, that is explained why in my free eBook '[https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/the-zambrano-report/7644840 The Zambrano Report]' on pages 87-103).

==Other Research==
Some other interesting projects of mine:
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmvlGcvvMasBdGk3WXhBQWF1Wnk0bFBLWC1jYmRBdmc#gid=0 Color-coded version of the 2012 U.S. Budget]. Scroll to the bottom for a categorical summary of all expenses. Based on data from GPOAccess.gov.
* [https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2vlGcvvMasBMmFjYjM3ZGEtNGVkNC00NDZiLTkwN2ItOWNjMjE5NzU0MmYx/edit Pro-life healthcare bill, 58 pages]. I wrote this 2009-2010 and contacted Congressmen about it as an alternative to ObamaCare.
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmvlGcvvMasBdDB0Y3JRVTFXMWZfY0dpVXhSOHJJNVE U.S. trade data 2009-2010]. Complete listing of imports, exports, and total trade for all countries, as well as rankings. Based on data at Census.gov/foreign-trade.
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmvlGcvvMasBdENxN2pPYVNRS2dpa2VIUzdPbkNkc2c#gid=0 List of countries by minimum wages].

==Editing Style==
My favorite editing topics include Political Issues (including Evolution/Creationism and abortion), the Bible, Religion, History, Macroeconomics, Philosophy, and Sports. While I would like to discuss the issues, I would not want to join a listserv as my multiple email accounts are already packed, and it would make it much more difficult to find vital emails. I like forums, I do not like listservs.

As an editor I take pride in my sourcing, and go out of my way to use sourcing that even the most liberal of critics will have difficulty faulting; sourcing with peer-reviewed scientific journals (e.g. ''Science'', ''Nature''), major news sources (e.g. ''New York Times'', ''National Geographic''), or well-renowned fact-checking sites (e.g. ''FactChect.org'', ''PolitiFact''). It's not that I distrust Creationist sources like [[Answers in Genesis]] but I recognize such sources will not likely persuade anyone but those who are already Creationists! As such I make an effort to complement any Creationist sources used with mainstream ones; depending on the subject - if scientific then scientific journals, if news-related, then major news sources, if political, then non-partisan fact-checking sites or better yet, senate transcripts/source material.

==Other Wiki Involvement==
I'm [http://www.creationwiki.org/User:Jzyehoshua Jzyehoshua] from CreationWiki. I've also gone by Jzyehoshua at Wikipedia (for a full explanation of why I left see [[User:Jzyehoshua/WhyILeftWikipedia]]) and SourceWatch[]. I went by my full name, Joshua Zambrano, at Citizendium, because it's required. I am an ex-Wikipedia editor who did not like the liberal bias occurring there. I now edit in hopes of helping other wikis replace Wikipedia and its blatant, hypocritical biases. For example, just look at the Obama page there and how many controversies (such as the Born Alive controversy caused by Obama's repeated opposition to medical care for newborn children) go unmentioned, whereas the controversies for conservative politicians are mentioned. I've used Jzyehoshua as my ID across the web since at least 2004 (Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, forums, etc.), and to my knowledge no one else uses it, yet a Google search of it receives 35,000 search results. (Outdated, was the case previously)

I strongly believe in editorial fairness. Regardless of whether I agree with a viewpoint or not, I try to be fair to those I disagree with and engage in dialogue. For me, being a Christian means treating others as I'd want to be treated. I am a strong advocate for fair editing at wikis. I left Wikipedia because I did not like liberal bias - it is my opinion that unchecked bias will only result in tyranny and the downfall of a wiki. I argue so strongly for my beliefs because I believe I'm doing what's right. I need to believe in the direction of the organization, and that it will be fair. For me, helping a wiki means not only contributing material, but helping to make it the best it can be in regards to editorial policy.

==Political Views, Specific==
I was at one point a conservative Republican, after formerly being an Independent, but am too conservative right now to affiliate definitively with any party. I suppose would be considered a 'Moderate' even though my views are a perfect mix of strong socially conservative beliefs and strong moderate economic foreign policy beliefs. As such, I can discuss my views on abortion and evolution and be criticized by liberals as a hard-right conservative, but discuss my views on economics and foreign policy, and be criticized by neo-libertarians as a far-left liberal; a fact that never ceases to amuse me. My views essentially align with classical Republican positions by and large, e.g. tracing back to the times when Abraham Lincoln and Republicans in the mid-19th century supported tariffs and protectionism to protect domestic industry as well as public works projects, or when Teddy Roosevelt and William Howard Taft pursued trustbusting to protect the element of competition essential to a free market from private sector monopolization (not just government monopolization, i.e. communism).

===Socially Conservative===
* '''I oppose abortion''' save in rape and life of the mother, although I have now begun hesitantly supporting a broader right to choose up to 12 weeks of pregnancy consistent with [https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx Gallup polling by trimester] (since most Americans support abortions within the first 12 weeks, just not late-term 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions). I am fully against the Abolitionist movement which seeks to harm women who've had abortions.
* '''I support Creationism'''. I believe life on earth is young although whether a specific date to it can be set I'm still deciding. I do not believe earth itself is necessarily young given Genesis 1:2. Again, I consider the Bible literally true and do not believe science has evidence to show that it is not on any given point. While I believe microevolution and natural selection are undeniable fact, I consider Big Bang theory and macroevolution (i.e. evolutionary theory) to be unevidenced, interpretive speculation. I support equal teaching of Creationism in public schools and like the government of Turkey even though it is Islamic (and I do not like Islam as a religion in general) because it is the government which most teaches Creationism at an international level.
* '''I support religious freedom''' and frequently invoke the founding fathers and William Penn's early government to show we began a Christian nation. I believe that belief in God is the foundation of religious freedom, and that one can't believe in inalienable rights without believing in a Creator who gives said rights. I believe the 1st amendment was intended to prevent a religious institution like Catholicism or Anglicanism from usurping government power to persecute other denominations, and to protect freedom of religious expression and faith everywhere. I think progressive interpretations are actually leading to the religious discrimination the 1st amendment sought to stop. My paper on America's origins as a Christian nation is [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337499824_Colonial_and_Post-Colonial_Religious_Tests_as_a_Basis_for_the_First_Amendment here]. I support education vouchers and removing liberal accreditation standards that discriminate against Creationist educational institutions.
* '''I support gun rights and the 2nd amendment''' as a protection against our government.
* '''I oppose gay marriage'''. I support homosexuals having the same rights as everyone else, which is why I think every homosexual man should be able to marry a woman. They have the same rights already, they want a new right and themselves declared a new demographic. I see evidence that homosexuality is not genetic such as polling showing younger Americans are three times as likely as older Americans to be LGBT, and xenoestrogens producing homosexuality in nature. I find the increasing attack on religious freedom by the gay rights movement to be disturbing and intolerant, as they sue photographers that don't want to photograph gay weddings, pastors that don't want to marry homosexuals, farm owners that don't want to marry homosexuals in their homes, etc. I do not hate homosexuals, I do not single them out as worse then anyone else, but their attack on the religious freedom of others and to legislate their beliefs in oppression of Christian beliefs necessitates that I oppose their agenda. I want to see Supreme Court justices impeached who voted in the affirmative on Obergefell v. Hodges and U.S. v. Windsor with the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act upheld, reversing the Windsor precedent.

===Moderate on Economics===
* '''I support smaller government''' because complexity hides corruption, and I favor less overall intrusion into citizens' lives. However, I consider a basic level of regulation necessary to protect consumers from business (e.g. predatory lending), small business from big business (e.g. predatory pricing), and workers from companies. I favor minimal levels of regulation but not removal of all regulation as Ayn Rand-supporting anarchic capitalists, many of whom identify as libertarians, would advocate. (Although I do share some common ground in other ways with Libertarians)
* '''I oppose free trade''' save with countries who use decent minimum wages. If trade is not fair then it should not be free, and communist countries like China, Russia, and North Korea use low minimum wages because (a) they don't care about their people, and (b) it means corporate investment flows to their countries for the cheap labor. I support free trade with countries whose minimum wages are above $4.00 an hour but not those who take advantage of their people in pursuit of power and steal jobs from Americans through free trade. Rather than tariffs however, I favor the use of full embargoes against communist countries like China, North Korea, and Russia that use low or no minimum wages while terrorizing their own people and nations worldwide with fascist tyranny.
* '''I oppose socialism in favor of capitalism''' because government taking over industry ultimately results in less overall employment, as well as inefficiency and bureaucracy. Government employees are not held accountable like their counterparts in the private sector, so it is not uncommon to see poor quality of service in DMVs and other government agencies. A government agency gets funded regardless of the quality of work it performs. I believe it is typically better to encourage job creation in the private sector rather than public sector, unless it is a very simplistic, efficient, and well-tailored public works system. Government in my opinion is a danger to individual freedom, and allowing it to usurp too much power leads to a monopoly and inevitable tyranny.
* '''I support caps on executive compensation''' at publicly traded companies. I also oppose the Invisible Hand and Trickle Down theories. This is about worker's rights and workers should be paid fairly in relation to CEOs unless the CEO owns the company (private company) in which case it's the CEO's money and company to do with as they please (assuming of course they follow laws and ethics regarding fair treatment of workers, consumers, competing business, etc.). This is needed to ensure fair employment and prosperity for all Americans since otherwise CEOs will hike their own pay by reducing wages for everyone else via outsourcing, automation, illegal immigrants, and part-time or temporary workers.
* '''I support universal health care and welfare but oppose ObamaCare'''. I believe it moral for a government to provide services for the good of all and that both are necessary to care for a nation's weakest and poorest. Nevertheless, I abide by the rule the Apostle Paul said, that "if a man won't work he should also not eat" and that welfare systems should require work in exchange for services. I simply want the poor to have a chance to work for basic survival so they don't starve, not to give them a free ride. I believe our Social Security and Medicare systems have gotten out of hand, and rather than providing basic care are usurping private industry to the detriment of overall employment, but still support basic government systems for healthcare and welfare. I nevertheless oppose ObamaCare, because while I want to see a good healthcare system, ObamaCare was just designed to fund Planned Parenthood, and was a horrible bill.
* '''I support FDR-type Stimulus programs but oppose Obama's Stimulus programs'''. FDR's put people back to work inexpensively, paying little per worker hired, and having workers do inexpensive tasks like digging ditches, conservation, cleaning up public buildings, painting murals, etc. Obama's spend hundreds of thousands of dollars paying a single scientist to research ridiculous things, and his stimulus bills were essentially a blank check funding every liberal special interest project for the past 30 years. Thus I would support public works programs like FDR's but strongly criticized Obama's Stimulus even before it passed. I have recently recommended infrastructure investment for improving the U.S. vital agricultural industry, potentially via the use of halophyte farming to increasingly grow more crops through saltwater to reduce freshwater usage at a global level, particularly given that the vast majority of U.S. freshwater is used for agricultural purposes, not residential purposes.

===Other Issues===
* '''I generally oppose warmongering''' as contrary to Christian ideals. I opposed the Iraq War in 2004, the first year I voted. Not only did I criticize the Iraq War, but I also dislike prior U.S. wars/imperialism as well, like the Mexican-American War and treatment of Hawaiians/Filipinos/Native Americans. I do believe U.S. military intervention can be necessary for opposing the global spread of Communism as occurred with the Chinese Civil War to aid the government of Taiwan when it originally ran China, the Korean War, the Laotian Civil War, etc. I have come to believe a confrontational approach against China and Russia is needed to protect human rights and worker wages/rights at a global level, nor do I agree with doing so timidly through proxy wars but by using full embargoes, U.S. military aid in support of allies like Japan, Ukraine, Hong Kong, and Taiwan in opposing China and Russia, and additionally U.S. special forces to oppose coup attempts orchestrated by Russian mercenaries like the Africa Corps, potentially also CIA operations in Chechnya or Nepal to covertly oppose China and Russia, which in my opinion is entirely justified given how China and Russia have been using hacking, theft of military trade secrets, fentanyl trafficking, spying weather balloons, copyright theft, etc. to subversively interfere with the U.S. economy.
* '''I do not support the death penalty'''. Even though deterrence would be valuable in stopping criminals from perpetrating crimes, I have come to believe that the worst criminals at a global level like Putin and Jinping are not being held accountable, so I see no reason to assume those most responsible for criminal behavior will be held accountable either, and that death penalty attempts may just be show trials to find scapegoats rather than legitimate efforts at justice. I see too great a risk of killing the wrong people, and large amounts of people have been exonerated on death row. A system that puts even one innocent person to death is unjustifiable from a Biblical perspective.
* '''I support protecting the environment'''. I want our rainforests protected and land use optimized. I support regulations on pollution by corporate excesses. I think those who stand naked on icebergs are just posturing and attention-seeking buffoons, but reasonable steps to preserve and protect our Creator-given resources as faithful stewards I wholeheartedly support and endorse. While I recognize Global Warming is occurring, 'ClimateGate' made me more suspicious of the Green Energy movement, Al Gore, and the scientific community backing Global Warming. I personally think the main problem is deforestation, that growing global population is a contributor as well, and that pollution is often singled out for political reasons and Green Industry profits.

===Bottom Line===

I adjust my positions as necessary to ensure Alexandra Scott and Lourdes are physically and biologically alive, I will make ANY policy adjustments necessary to ensure that will be the case. All of the above positions can be adjusted at any time should I consider it needful to do so for such purposes. Making sure those I care about will be alive is the top priority for me, all political positions are useful for determining moral leadership that will be trustworthy and competent enough to ensure that top priority is achieved, but are otherwise potentially alterable.

User:JZambrano

2026-10-07T19:46:31Z

JZambrano: /* Political Views, Specific */

User:JZambrano

2026-10-07T19:33:40Z

JZambrano:

I enjoyed my time editing at Conservapedia and have no hard feelings for the situation when I was a moderator, it was my decision. I disagreed with Karajou a bit at the time but have come to see his side of things moreso over time. I may contribute a bit at some point and find the conservative discussion here informative and thought-provoking.

I was [http://creationwiki.org/User:Jzyehoshua User:Jzyehoshua at Creationwiki] but it seems to be down due to server problems now unfortunately.

If my views seem odd, it's only because truth is stranger than fiction. I just follow the facts.

==Bio==

My name is '''[http://www.facebook.com/Jzyehoshua Joshua David Zambrano]''', and I'm a resident of Illinois. I received my A.A.S. in Business Management from Waubonsee Community College, and previously transferred to Northern Illinois University from the University of Nebraska at Omaha. I was majoring in Political Science.

Jzyehoshua is simply my initials, Jz, followed by the Hebrew name origin for Joshua ("Yehoshua"), i.e. "Joshua Z". I am a Christian who believes the Bible is literally true. While I do believe typos exist in some of the preserved manuscripts, I do not believe this substantially alters the preserved message of the Bible, and that the vast wealth of manuscript evidence is God's way of preserving His Word for future generations.

==Editing Guide==
I'll have a guide with some useful and practical advice for editing and researching at [[User:Jzyehoshua/Guide_To_Editing]].

==Contributions==
I will be keeping a workspace of articles I've created or am working on for easy finding at [[User:Jzyehoshua/Contributions]].

==Politics==
I do not support any political party or politician at this time. I lean Republican (which are the candidates I typically back) but pick and choose which Republicans to support. I have at times also supported the conservative 3rd party, the Constitution Party (which in Illinois tends to support more conservative candidates then the state Republican Party), as well as from 2009-10 the conservative pro-life Democrats who voted against Obamacare and the Stimulus bills while substantially risking their own reelection chances in doing so (although I will never support the Demonrat party as a whole, I find essentially their entire platform abhorrent). (Concerning my brief one-year support of DFLA, that is explained why in my free eBook '[https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/the-zambrano-report/7644840 The Zambrano Report]' on pages 87-103).

==Other Research==
Some other interesting projects of mine:
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmvlGcvvMasBdGk3WXhBQWF1Wnk0bFBLWC1jYmRBdmc#gid=0 Color-coded version of the 2012 U.S. Budget]. Scroll to the bottom for a categorical summary of all expenses. Based on data from GPOAccess.gov.
* [https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2vlGcvvMasBMmFjYjM3ZGEtNGVkNC00NDZiLTkwN2ItOWNjMjE5NzU0MmYx/edit Pro-life healthcare bill, 58 pages]. I wrote this 2009-2010 and contacted Congressmen about it as an alternative to ObamaCare.
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmvlGcvvMasBdDB0Y3JRVTFXMWZfY0dpVXhSOHJJNVE U.S. trade data 2009-2010]. Complete listing of imports, exports, and total trade for all countries, as well as rankings. Based on data at Census.gov/foreign-trade.
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmvlGcvvMasBdENxN2pPYVNRS2dpa2VIUzdPbkNkc2c#gid=0 List of countries by minimum wages].

==Editing Style==
My favorite editing topics include Political Issues (including Evolution/Creationism and abortion), the Bible, Religion, History, Macroeconomics, Philosophy, and Sports. While I would like to discuss the issues, I would not want to join a listserv as my multiple email accounts are already packed, and it would make it much more difficult to find vital emails. I like forums, I do not like listservs.

As an editor I take pride in my sourcing, and go out of my way to use sourcing that even the most liberal of critics will have difficulty faulting; sourcing with peer-reviewed scientific journals (e.g. ''Science'', ''Nature''), major news sources (e.g. ''New York Times'', ''National Geographic''), or well-renowned fact-checking sites (e.g. ''FactChect.org'', ''PolitiFact''). It's not that I distrust Creationist sources like [[Answers in Genesis]] but I recognize such sources will not likely persuade anyone but those who are already Creationists! As such I make an effort to complement any Creationist sources used with mainstream ones; depending on the subject - if scientific then scientific journals, if news-related, then major news sources, if political, then non-partisan fact-checking sites or better yet, senate transcripts/source material.

==Other Wiki Involvement==
I'm [http://www.creationwiki.org/User:Jzyehoshua Jzyehoshua] from CreationWiki. I've also gone by Jzyehoshua at Wikipedia (for a full explanation of why I left see [[User:Jzyehoshua/WhyILeftWikipedia]]) and SourceWatch[]. I went by my full name, Joshua Zambrano, at Citizendium, because it's required. I am an ex-Wikipedia editor who did not like the liberal bias occurring there. I now edit in hopes of helping other wikis replace Wikipedia and its blatant, hypocritical biases. For example, just look at the Obama page there and how many controversies (such as the Born Alive controversy caused by Obama's repeated opposition to medical care for newborn children) go unmentioned, whereas the controversies for conservative politicians are mentioned. I've used Jzyehoshua as my ID across the web since at least 2004 (Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, forums, etc.), and to my knowledge no one else uses it, yet a Google search of it receives 35,000 search results. (Outdated, was the case previously)

I strongly believe in editorial fairness. Regardless of whether I agree with a viewpoint or not, I try to be fair to those I disagree with and engage in dialogue. For me, being a Christian means treating others as I'd want to be treated. I am a strong advocate for fair editing at wikis. I left Wikipedia because I did not like liberal bias - it is my opinion that unchecked bias will only result in tyranny and the downfall of a wiki. I argue so strongly for my beliefs because I believe I'm doing what's right. I need to believe in the direction of the organization, and that it will be fair. For me, helping a wiki means not only contributing material, but helping to make it the best it can be in regards to editorial policy.

==Political Views, Specific==
I was at one point a conservative Republican, after formerly being an Independent, but am too conservative right now to affiliate definitively with any party. I suppose would be considered a 'Moderate' even though my views are a perfect mix of strong socially conservative beliefs and strong moderate economic foreign policy beliefs. As such, I can discuss my views on abortion and evolution and be criticized by liberals as a hard-right conservative, but discuss my views on economics and foreign policy, and be criticized by neo-libertarians as a far-left liberal; a fact that never ceases to amuse me. My views essentially align with classical Republican positions by and large, e.g. tracing back to the times when Abraham Lincoln and Republicans in the mid-19th century supported tariffs and protectionism to protect domestic industry as well as public works projects, or when Teddy Roosevelt and William Howard Taft pursued trustbusting to protect the element of competition essential to a free market from private sector monopolization (not just government monopolization, i.e. communism).

===Socially Conservative===
* '''I oppose abortion''' save in rape and life of the mother, although I have now begun hesitantly supporting a broader right to choose up to 12 weeks of pregnancy consistent with [https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx Gallup polling by trimester] (since most Americans support abortions within the first 12 weeks, just not late-term 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions). I am fully against the Abolitionist movement which seeks to harm women who've had abortions.
* '''I support Creationism'''. I believe life on earth is young although whether a specific date to it can be set I'm still deciding. I do not believe earth itself is necessarily young given Genesis 1:2. Again, I consider the Bible literally true and do not believe science has evidence to show that it is not on any given point. While I believe microevolution and natural selection are undeniable fact, I consider Big Bang theory and macroevolution (i.e. evolutionary theory) to be unevidenced, interpretive speculation. I support equal teaching of Creationism in public schools and like the government of Turkey even though it is Islamic (and I do not like Islam as a religion in general) because it is the government which most teaches Creationism at an international level.
* '''I support religious freedom''' and frequently invoke the founding fathers and William Penn's early government to show we began a Christian nation. I believe that belief in God is the foundation of religious freedom, and that one can't believe in inalienable rights without believing in a Creator who gives said rights. I believe the 1st amendment was intended to prevent a religious institution like Catholicism or Anglicanism from usurping government power to persecute other denominations, and to protect freedom of religious expression and faith everywhere. I think progressive interpretations are actually leading to the religious discrimination the 1st amendment sought to stop. My paper on America's origins as a Christian nation is [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337499824_Colonial_and_Post-Colonial_Religious_Tests_as_a_Basis_for_the_First_Amendment here]. I support education vouchers and removing liberal accreditation standards that discriminate against Creationist educational institutions.
* '''I support gun rights and the 2nd amendment''' as a protection against our government.
* '''I oppose gay marriage'''. I support homosexuals having the same rights as everyone else, which is why I think every homosexual man should be able to marry a woman. They have the same rights already, they want a new right and themselves declared a new demographic. I see evidence that homosexuality is not genetic such as polling showing younger Americans are three times as likely as older Americans to be LGBT, and xenoestrogens producing homosexuality in nature. I find the increasing attack on religious freedom by the gay rights movement to be disturbing and intolerant, as they sue photographers that don't want to photograph gay weddings, pastors that don't want to marry homosexuals, farm owners that don't want to marry homosexuals in their homes, etc. I do not hate homosexuals, I do not single them out as worse then anyone else, but their attack on the religious freedom of others and to legislate their beliefs in oppression of Christian beliefs necessitates that I oppose their agenda. I want to see Supreme Court justices impeached who voted in the affirmative on Obergefell v. Hodges and U.S. v. Windsor with the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act upheld, reversing the Windsor precedent.

===Moderate on Economics===
* '''I support smaller government''' because complexity hides corruption, and I favor less overall intrusion into citizens' lives. However, I consider a basic level of regulation necessary to protect consumers from business (e.g. predatory lending), small business from big business (e.g. predatory pricing), and workers from companies. I favor minimal levels of regulation but not removal of all regulation as Ayn Rand-supporting anarchic capitalists, many of whom identify as libertarians, would advocate. (Although I do share some common ground in other ways with Libertarians)
* '''I oppose free trade''' save with countries who use decent minimum wages. If trade is not fair then it should not be free, and communist countries like China, Russia, and North Korea use low minimum wages because (a) they don't care about their people, and (b) it means corporate investment flows to their countries for the cheap labor. I support free trade with countries whose minimum wages are above $4.00 an hour but not those who take advantage of their people in pursuit of power and steal jobs from Americans through free trade. Rather than tariffs however, I favor the use of full embargoes against communist countries like China, North Korea, and Russia that use low or no minimum wages while terrorizing their own people and nations worldwide with fascist tyranny.
* '''I oppose socialism in favor of capitalism''' because government taking over industry ultimately results in less overall employment, as well as inefficiency and bureaucracy. Government employees are not held accountable like their counterparts in the private sector, so it is not uncommon to see poor quality of service in DMVs and other government agencies. A government agency gets funded regardless of the quality of work it performs. I believe it is typically better to encourage job creation in the private sector rather than public sector, unless it is a very simplistic, efficient, and well-tailored public works system. Government in my opinion is a danger to individual freedom, and allowing it to usurp too much power leads to a monopoly and inevitable tyranny.
* '''I support caps on executive compensation''' at publicly traded companies. I also oppose the Invisible Hand and Trickle Down theories. This is about worker's rights and workers should be paid fairly in relation to CEOs unless the CEO owns the company (private company) in which case it's the CEO's money and company to do with as they please (assuming of course they follow laws and ethics regarding fair treatment of workers, consumers, competing business, etc.). This is needed to ensure fair employment and prosperity for all Americans since otherwise CEOs will hike their own pay by reducing wages for everyone else via outsourcing, automation, illegal immigrants, and part-time or temporary workers.
* '''I support universal health care and welfare but oppose ObamaCare'''. I believe it moral for a government to provide services for the good of all and that both are necessary to care for a nation's weakest and poorest. Nevertheless, I abide by the rule the Apostle Paul said, that "if a man won't work he should also not eat" and that welfare systems should require work in exchange for services. I simply want the poor to have a chance to work for basic survival so they don't starve, not to give them a free ride. I believe our Social Security and Medicare systems have gotten out of hand, and rather than providing basic care are usurping private industry to the detriment of overall employment, but still support basic government systems for healthcare and welfare. I nevertheless oppose ObamaCare, because while I want to see a good healthcare system, ObamaCare was just designed to fund Planned Parenthood, and was a horrible bill.
* '''I support FDR-type Stimulus programs but oppose Obama's Stimulus programs'''. FDR's put people back to work inexpensively, paying little per worker hired, and having workers do inexpensive tasks like digging ditches, conservation, cleaning up public buildings, painting murals, etc. Obama's spend hundreds of thousands of dollars paying a single scientist to research ridiculous things, and his stimulus bills were essentially a blank check funding every liberal special interest project for the past 30 years. Thus I would support public works programs like FDR's but strongly criticized Obama's Stimulus even before it passed. I have recently recommended infrastructure investment for improving the U.S. vital agricultural industry, potentially via the use of halophyte farming to increasingly grow more crops through saltwater to reduce freshwater usage at a global level, particularly given that the vast majority of U.S. freshwater is used for agricultural purposes, not residential purposes.

===Other Issues===
* '''I oppose warmongering''' as contrary to Christian ideals. I've opposed the Iraq War since 2004, the first year I voted. Not only did I criticize the Iraq War, but I also dislike prior U.S. wars/imperialism as well, like the Vietnam War, Mexican-American War, and treatment of Hawaiians/Filipinos/Native Americans. I [https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150634718999392 disagree with Catholicism] (including its warmongering like the Crusades, Conquistadors, and Inquisition) as well, and believe that the real continuers of Christianity were those persecuted by Catholicism from 300-1000 A.D. like the Donatists, Waldenses, Montanists, Arians, Paulicians, etc.
* '''I support the death penalty''' for repeat rapists and murderers to prevent them from corrupting society and producing copycats during their confinement in the prison system.
* '''I support protecting the environment'''. I want our rainforests protected and land use optimized. I support regulations on pollution by corporate excesses. I think those who stand naked on icebergs are just posturing and attention-seeking buffoons, but reasonable steps to preserve and protect our Creator-given resources as faithful stewards I wholeheartedly support and endorse. While I recognize Global Warming is occurring, 'ClimateGate' made me more suspicious of the Green Energy movement, Al Gore, and the scientific community backing Global Warming. I personally think the main problem is deforestation, that growing global population is a contributor as well, and that pollution is often singled out for political reasons and Green Industry profits.

Talk:Essay: Why I am a narcissist and not bullish on Russia's future

2026-09-30T23:06:02Z

JZambrano: /* Interesting Points */

[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/18/ukraine-and-the-west-are-facing-a-devastating-defeat/ Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 14:49, July 22, 2023 (EDT)
:I don't believe that Ukraine will win the war and expel Russia from Ukraine. I also believe that Russia will continue to wreck Ukraine.

:But I also believe that any "victory" by Russia as far as the war in Ukraine will be a [[pyrrhic victory]] - especially given Russia's likely upcoming demographic winter which this war has worsened. (See:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R--yq_RfvMY Russia Facing Population Disaster - Demographic Crisis, Employee Shortages & Economic Crisis] and [https://archive.md/shYl8#selection-335.0-335.16 Millennials and Gen Z are blaming Putin for intensifying Russia’s baby shortfall: ‘It’s pretty bad for us’], Fortune magazine, December 3, 2022 and [https://healthpolicy-watch.news/russia-population-drop/ Dramatic Population Drop in Russia, as War, COVID and Emigration Exacerbate Declining Births], 6/03/2023).

:And I am still not bullish on Russia's future nor am I bullish on China's future (See: <nowiki>[[Essay:Skepticism about China remaining a global power]]</nowiki>). And although I believe that there may be an economic depression in the 2030s in the USA (which will likely cause a global recession given the size of the USA's economy), I am still bullish on America's future relative to other countries futures (see: <nowiki>[[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>).

:But by all means, feel free to create this essay: <nowiki>[[Essay: Why I am bullish on Russia's future]]</nowiki>. I have doubts that you will create such an essay, but you may surprise me. But please don't expect me to read your essay should you create such an essay as I have a low regard for your opinions on Russia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:17, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

== Notes about updating essay ==

=== Russia's GNP overtime in recent years ===

[[File:Russian GNP 1991 to 2023.jpg|thumbnail|center|1200px|Russian GNP 1991 to August 2023.
 
 
Estimates of Russian GNP 1991 to August 2023 measured in US [[fiat dollars]]; exchange rates between the dollar and the ruble ended in March 2022 when the ruble became a gold-backed currency.
 
 
Recently, the Russian ruble has seen a big decline:
 
 
*[https://archive.md/xJuj3#selection-4295.8-4295.22 Russia’s War-Torn Economy Hits Its Speed Limit: Economists see this week’s currency gyrations not as the beginning of a financial crisis but rather as a symptom of the Kremlin’s sclerotic economic prospects], ''Wall Street Journal'', August 2023
 
 
*[https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-minister-now-us-truck-driver-salary-same-ruble-crashed-2023-8 The Russian ruble hit a 16-month low this week and is one of the worst performing currencies in 2023], August, 2023
 
 
*[https://www.barrons.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-081523/card/russia-cranks-interest-rates-to-12-in-emergency-move-supporting-ruble-qZIrzuCgo6bOG4LVggRQ Russia Cranks Interest Rates to 12% in Emergency Move Supporting Ruble], Barron's, August 2023
 
 
*[https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/russia-economy-crash-ruble-imports-account-finance-putin-moscow-ukraine-2023-7 5 stats show how Russia's economy is declining], Business Insider, 2023]]
{{Clear}}

Update essay if Russia's GNP falls significantly or flatlines for a significant amount of time. Alternatively, look at some of the [https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/020215/top-ten-us-economic-indicators.asp leading economic indicators] such as inflation, value of ruble, etc. If the very unexpected happens, change the title of the article to: <nowiki>[[Essay: Why I am bullish on Russia's future]]</nowiki>. For example, Japan radically changed its culture, religious revival, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:57, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
:Oh, but if it grows you're going to ignore it. Got it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 18:08, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
[[File:Kabul 2021.jpg|right|350px|thumb|The author of this Essay thinks Ukraine will be another "frozen conflict". A month ago he was saying Ukraine is winning. He hasn't figured out yet Ukraine lost in March 2022.]]
Don't you understand a thing about [[Conservapedia:Editing etiquette]]? Yes, you can go back and fix typos and grammar in your original post ''after'' an editor responds; no, you are not supposed to ''change the context'' of your post after another editor responds. That is call [[bad faith editing]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:06, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

=== Update: Look at reviewing the article in about 6-12 months (So February of 2024 or August of 2024) ===

Update: Look at reviewing the article in about 6-12 months. See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9WPzrCL2eo RUSSIAN Economy Starts to Collapse as Current Account Falls 85% & Oil & Gas Revenues Crash in 2023]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:57, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

=== Since defense spending is a part of GDP, look at Russia's GDP after this war turns into a frozen conflict, etc. ===

Since defense spending is a part of GDP, as a result of this, look at Russia's GDP a few years after this war turns into a frozen conflict, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:19, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:Wishful thinking. [[D.C.]] [[deep state]] [[propaganda]]. "frozen conflict" is terminology and a phrase used by the US State Dept and & Pentagon to bow out so they don't get blamed. The Russian Federation has other ideas. It's going to be a "frozen conflict" like the people of [[Saigon]] and [[Kabul]] experienced, not like Korea. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 23:41, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:They're not going to say, "We lost", or "we got our butt kicked" like in Vietnam or Afghanistan; they going to say, "so long and adios, good luck" to Zelensky and call it a "frozen conflict". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:06, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:[https://youtu.be/guPXmdyCCg0 John Mearsheimer: Russia cannot be pushed back]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:09, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
::The title is "Since defense spending is a part of GDP, look at Russia's GDP after this war turns into a frozen conflict, <big>'''etc.'''</big>

::The "etc." indicates there are other possibilities.

::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:22, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:::The problem you have is, you're measuring it all in US dollars, and that is about to change, big time.

:::You will have to re-calibrate it all in few years from a new base. So you're not building anything you or anybody else can hang their hat on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:29, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

::::Think about this: Russia got kicked out of the SWIFT international banking network system, so the numbers you use are corrupted. And by the IMF's own calculations, Russia's GDP continues to grow despite sanctions. Additionally, the West seized $300 billion (more than 3 times [[Ukraine aid]]) in Russia's foreign reserves held abroad, and Russia is unphased. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:47, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
Most of the economic damage to Russia from the war and sanctions will be long-term economic damage (Brain drain, reduction of labor force such as soldiers killed or badly injured, etc, etc, etc.).

Recently, the historian Stephen Kotkin, Research Fellow Michael S. Bernstam, and Sergei Guriev, provost and professor of economics at the Institut d'études politiques de Paris had a discussion related to the sanctions on Russia and the damage caused by the war in Ukraine to Russia which is given below.

Here is that discussion: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x-qmMgVN8c Sanctions and Russia: Effects, Lessons, and the Future | A History Lab Discussion w/ Stephen Kotkin], August 25, 2023 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:55, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:::::When Russia had $300 billion in reserves in foreign banks, that was hard cold cash. When Congress voted $165 billion in Ukraine aid out of thin air, how was that paid for? On a printing press, which you pay for now in higher prices everytime you go to the grocery store. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:58, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Now that [[the West]] basically stole $300 billion from Russia, no one, not billionaire oligarchs nor national governments, want to hold their cash or reserves in US dollars in one of the 12,000 international banks that are members of the SWIFT banking network, because [[psychotic]]s like [[John McCain]], [[Barack Obama]], [[Joe Biden]] or the [[EU]] leadership can [[blackmail]] you or seize your money in a moment's notice (like they did [[Canadian truckers]]). The West didn't only shoot itself in the foot, it slit its own throat.

:::::Now, the question is, was this just stupidity, or is part of the [[Great Reset]]/[[Build Back Better]]/[[Green New Deal]] agenda, or both? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 01:07, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
Off topic. The essay is about Russia's future. If you want to comment on the USA, then comment on the talk page of my essay <nowiki>[[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>. Alternatively, and preferably, write an essay entitled [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on the USA's future]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:12, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:Whatsamatta, you can't read? I have as much faith that you took away from Prof. Kotkin about as much understanding as you do from Prof. Mearsheimer or Vladimir Pozner. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 01:18, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
::You fell into an absolute rage when I said that your depth of knowledge on international relations was not as extensive as Prof. Mearsheimer (who has been an international relations scholar for a very long time). I didn't mean offense by it as I believe I was just stating the obvious.

::Also, you think that you can somehow lift yourself by denigrating someone else. The world doesn't work that way. It's totally irrational thinking. And it doesn't bother me one bit as I have been in professions that require a very thick skin. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:26, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::I am definitely not impressed with your views about the USA, China, or Russia. Create the essay [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on the USA's future]] and make your best case as that would be the respectable thing to do. Respect is earned. It is not an entitlement. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:34, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

==Black Mountain Analysis==
You might find this interesting (but don't read just this excerpt, read the entire piece). [https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/geopolitics-update-i]
{{quotebox-float|To stop the Russians from advancing, Ukraine will literally need to stop the Russians with their bodies. And they will need millions of bodies to prolong the war for another year. Millions of dead. A price the West is ready to pay in order to to kill as many Russians (and Ukrainians), and in the process to destroy as much infrastructure and industry as possible.

Well, in fact, the West will pursue this war crime/crime against humanity as far as possible. And this is the point where I try to calm people down. Even though I’m not fully convinced yet, I can’t imagine that the Ukrainian (Russian!) people will follow. They will consider the epically defeated Ukrainian offensive, with tens of thousands of dead people, and the parallel Russian offensive at Kupyansk, with its implications for the immediate future. They will think of the hundreds of thousands of overall dead (400,000) with the corresponding funerals all over the country, and the people will eventually begin to resist. How? That remains to be seen, but it certainly (hopefully?) will avoid the conscription of millions, and the consequent death.

Well, the uprising of either the people or some elements within the military should mark the third and last phase of the Ukrainian collapse.

As I mentioned many times, the West is winning big in this dimension. The West has achieved the goal to kill as many Russians (Ukrainians and Russians) as possible up to this point. If the war ends tomorrow, the West will be satisfied in that respect. If it ends after additional hundreds of thousands or even millions die, even better. The geopolitical and eventually the economic damage to Russia will be significant. Especially in the struggle for Russia to establish itself as a major player in the emerging world order.

Yes, Russia managed the transition and triggered it, but it certainly also wants to be one of the leaders in economic terms. This could be hindered if most resources are bogged down within Russia for reconstruction. Hundreds of thousands of dead and permanently disabled men are also missing from the workforce. Hundreds of thousands of children will never be born because of the dearth of healthy males (fathers) in the resulting population.}}
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 18:35, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:You should probably let these guys know you annihilated the entire JFO ([https://www.conservapedia.com/images/thumb/4/42/Map-on-April-first.jpg/450px-Map-on-April-first.jpg with one weird trick!]) back in March / April 2022 so they can add another 120k to the total. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:27, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

::[https://www.conservapedia.com/File:A_Skeptic%27s_Best_Guess_On_Final_Map_(Revised).PNG It's coming to that], as soon as the 20,000 remaining NATO forces in [[Bradley Square]] are wiped out, with a pincer movement from the north along the Kupiansk front.

::Anyways, haven't you heard? WWII Big Arrow offensives are obsolete. We've progressed back to WWI-type trench warfare.
:::What's interesting is, cheap drones now can kill a single infantry man. That, coupled with facial recognition, has revolutionized warfare. Massed formations of infantry or armor are a thing of the past (GPS satellite technology did that, not to mention land mines). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:34, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:::IMO, we need robot soldiers who can fire an AK-47, robot tanks, and unmanned aerial fighters and bombers. It's the only humane thing to do. The US can import all its robots from [[China]], since we don't have the factories or educated workforce to work in them. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:52, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

::::ConwayIII, "Analyzing data compiled by the Uppsala Conflict Data Program (UCDP) on conflict termination since 1946, 26 percent of interstate wars like Ukraine end in less than 30 days and another 25 percent end in less than a year. Wars that end within a month last on average eight days, and 44 percent end in a ceasefire or peace agreement. Of wars that last over a month but less than a year, only 24 percent end in a ceasefire. When interstate wars last longer than a year, they extend to over a decade on average, resulting in sporadic clashes."[https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-does-it-end-what-past-wars-tell-us-about-how-save-ukraine#:~:text=Wars%20that%20end%20within%20a,average%2C%20resulting%20in%20sporadic%20clashes.]

::::Putin should have never launched his special operation in February 2022. It started a chain of events that are very tragic. See also: <nowiki>[[Essay: How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes|How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes]]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:41, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:::::That's interesting data if either side ever declares war; Russia has a [[Special military operation]] and Ukraine only has martial law (which makes conscription illegal case the [[Rada]] hasn't declared war). We'll remember that information should war ever break out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:45, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

== Next update for this essay: The year 2029 ==

Update the essay in 2029 as Russia's GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP) ranking in the world has been projected to drop in 2028 by an analyst or analysts.[https://www.russiamatters.org/blog/russia-worlds-5th-largest-economy-gdp-ppp#:~:text=The%20IMF%20predicts%20that%20Russia's,for%20comparisons%20of%20countries'%20GDP.]

If it drops, then consider using this as a partial explanation: [https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/09/08/russias-out-of-control-military-spending-en Russia’s out-of-control military spending]. With spending on the war in Ukraine potentially accounting for 45% of Russia’s budget by the end of the year, what are the implications for the rest of the economy?

In other words, guns vs. butter and economics. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:50, September 10, 2023 (EDT)

==Oleg Deripaska==
[[File:Doggie Doo Alert.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Doggie doo-doo Alert! [https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387625-mueller-may-have-a-conflict-and-it-leads-directly-to-a-russian-oligarch/] ]]
[[Oleg Deripaska]] is an FBI informant for [[Robert Mueller]] and <s>[[Peter Strzok]]</s> [[Andrew McCabe]].

Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about, spewing neo-Nazi and globalist propaganda, and doing CP and the [[conservative movement]] more harm than good.

[https://youtu.be/48Kk7kobMQY "Gimme back my pen"]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 16:16, November 25, 2023 (EST)

*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Christopher_Steele_and_Bruce_Ohr]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Trump-Russia]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Collusion]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Robert_Mueller]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Andrew_McCabe]]

It was [[Donald Trump]] who [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-imposes-major-sanctions-russian-oligarchs-officials-companies-n863271 added Deripaska to the Russia sanctions list.]

The rot in this Essay sounds like it came straight out of [[Hillary Clinton]]'s mouth. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 16:44, November 25, 2023 (EST)

So, are you going to correct the globalist neo-Nazi Clintonista information you inserted yesterday from your "informational cocoon"? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 11:28, November 27, 2023 (EST)

{{quotebox-float|"Concurrent with Ohr, Steele and Deripaska's activities to set up [Carter] Page's Russia visit, [[Comey]] and [[Loretta Lynch|Lynch]] vilely plotted to turn the patriotic Page from a hero into a Russian agent. They convened a meeting with Andrew McCabe, and the [[Obama administration]]'s highest-ranking national-security officials [[Susan Rice]], [[John Brennan]], and [[James Clapper]] to discuss how Page may be "compromised" by the Russians. Their objective was to use Page to illegally spy on Trump's campaign through a [[FISA]] warrant, and to bolster Steele's dossier allegations against Page."}}
::''Source:'' https://www.justice.gov/media/1145736/dl?inline=

Oh, so it wasn't just the Hillary Clinton campaign that manufactured the bogus [[Trump-Russia]] smear, it was the FBI, CIA, [[DNI]] and Obama National Security Advisor, along with Deripaska's help, involved. Yet here you are denying historical facts and reiterating the fundamental lies that destroyed Donald Trump's presidency.

See also: [[Essay: Does ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity define conservativism?]] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 17:17, November 27, 2023 (EST)

==Pure narcissism stated in the title==
"Why I'm not bullish". Who's interested in your [[narcissistic]] attitudes and views? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']] 13:48, February 25, 2024 (EST)

Dittos. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:04, October 1, 2024 (EDT)

Just ask Andy to ''speedy'' this [[crap]] and be done with it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:08, October 1, 2024 (EDT)

==How old are you?==
[[User:Conservative]]: Are you the last person on the [[planet]] to know, figure out, or be informed that [[war]] & [[inflation]] go hand-in-hand? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 14:43, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Does war and inflation always go hand and hand? Did the USA and Britain keep inflation rates low in WWII through two methods? See: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K1LZFUCmTOM Why Putin is in an economic bind], video and The Treasury asked the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low so the government could finance its debt more cheaply. See: [https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/feds-role-during-wwii#:~:text=To%20keep%20the%20costs%20of,of%202%20to%204%20percent. The Federal Reserve's Role During WWII].

::Does Russia have very high inflation and is it at risk of stagflation:

::'''Russia's inflation problem:'''

::*[https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/business/money-report/russian-central-bank-surprises-markets-by-holding-rates-at-21-despite-sky-high-inflation/4059556/ Russian central bank surprises markets by holding rates at 21% despite sky-high inflation], 10 Philadephia NBC News, December 20, 2024

::*[https://en.thebell.io/russias-rising-stagflation-threat/ Russia’s rising stagflation threat], The Bell, 2024 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:14, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::Yep. [[War]] & [[inflation]] always go hand-in-hand. [https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/artifact/hr-5990-act-further-national-defense-and-security-checking-inflationary-tendencies H.R. 5990, An Act to further the national defense and security by checking . . . inflationary tendencies (Emergency Price Control Act), January 27, 1942] See also [[Office of Price Administration]].

:::You're a dunce. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:31, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::::Tendencies is not high inflation.

::::"During World War II, the United States experienced relatively low inflation compared to other wartime periods due to strict government price controls implemented by the Office of Price Administration (OPA), which included rationing systems to manage consumer demand and limit access to scarce goods, effectively keeping inflation in check throughout the war."[https://www.google.com/search?q=low+inflation+wwii&oq=low+inflation+wwii&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQLhhA0gEIODk5OGowajGoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]

::::But if you want to create your own alternative reality about this matter, then have it. But I am not going to argue with you.

::::And after all is said and done, Russia has sky-high inflation and faces increasing risk of stagflation. Deny this and lose all credibility. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:41, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Oh, so now you are an advocate of [[big government]] solutions to [[inflation]], in addition to pitching [[globalism]] & [[neoconservativism]]. Okay. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:42, December 26, 2024 (EST)
Don't think I didn't notice that you are backing away from your position that wars always causes inflation. Because I did notice. But maybe there is hair splitting going on. "Relatively low inflation compared to other war periods" and high inflation (which Russia has) are very different things. And I see that you still struggle with the concept that there is no free lunch in economics and there are always going to be tradeoffs.

And if Trump negotiates a great deal with Putin concerning the war in Ukraine, Putin staring down the barrel of high-inflation leading to stagflation will be a key factor. And even then, Putin might not be able to dodge the stagflation bullet. Russia may face a difficult post war economy due to the economic pain of transitioning a war time economy to a more civilian economy. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:52, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:This essay should be retitled: '''[[Essay: I am a narcissistic racist and proponent of globalism, neoconservativism, and big government]]'''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:02, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Putin is practicing military Keynesianism and some generous policies to the civilian sector to boost his GNP and mollify the public. The resulting sky-high inflation is popping the rivets out of the SS Russia ship. If Russia keeps taking on water, stagflation will cause its economy to heavily list in the water. Meanwhile, the SS Trump and SS USA ships will be moving forward full-speed ahead! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:13, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::Add this to the '''[[Trump Effect]]:''' '''[https://citizenwatchreport.com/we-are-about-to-fall-off-a-cliff/ WE ARE ABOUT TO FALL OFF A CLIFF].''' Of course, [[inflation]] could delay and prolong the misery for a while. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:16, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::::I still agree with User: Karajou who wrote about you: "You have proven yourself to be no damn good in foreign affairs...".

::::Feel free to take me up on my challenge at: [https://sites.google.com/view/my-challenge-to-robsmith/home My challenge to RobSmith about Russia given on August 11, 2024]. And feel free to create counter essays to my essays. For example, write an essay at [[Essay: Why it makes sense to be bullish about Russia's future]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:41, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Well, at least Karajou only [[troll]]ed the Sysop discussion list with [[Three Stooges]] reruns. As to your challenges:
{{Cquote|Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.|||Proverbs 14:7}}
::::: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:49, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::Let me add this: What sort of contorted logic and reasoning in your twisted mind leads you think or believe me, or anyone, is "bullish" on Russia or anything? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:53, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::Still waiting for an answer to this question. Note time stamp. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 02:27, December 27, 2024 (EST)

You are failing to give me compelling reasons to be bullish on Russia and not to be bearish about the future of Russia.

I still agree with the international relations scholar [[John Mearsheimer]] about the future of Russia. "Russia is a declining power, and it will only get weaker with time." - John Mearsheimer

'''Reasons to be bullish on India and the USA:'''

"There are several reasons to be bullish on India, including its economic resilience, growing consumer class, and improving business environment. India's economy is one of the fastest growing in the world, with a GDP growth of 7.2% in FY23 and 6.5% estimated for FY24. India's GDP growth has surpassed China's in recent years and is expected to continue doing so."[https://www.google.com/search?q=bullish+on+india&oq=bullish+on+india&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORiABDIHCAEQABiABDIICAIQABgWGB4yCAgDEAAYFhgeMggIBBAAGBYYHjIICAUQABgWGB4yCAgGEAAYFhgeMggIBxAAGBYYHjIICAgQABgWGB4yBggJEC4YQNIBCDQzODNqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]

As of late 2023, the US stock market represents approximately 59% of the global stock market value, making it the largest stock market in the world by a significant margin.[https://archive.is/1SquO][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_stock_market_capitalization]

*[https://finance.yahoo.com/news/investors-allocation-to-us-stocks-hits-record-high-amid-super-bullish-sentiment-bofa-survey-164349535.htmlbInvestors' Allocation to US stocks hits record high amid 'super-bullish sentiment': BofA survey].

*[https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2024/07/why-i-remain-bullish-on-the-united-states-of-america-2/ Why I Remain Bullish on the United States of America].

I rest my case. USA! USA! USA! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:03, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:You are full of caca. When did I ever suggest to you to be "bullish", as you misuse the term, on Russian? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 17:11, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Again, I agree with User: Karajou about you: "You have proven yourself to be no damn good in foreign affairs...".

::What you suggest or don't suggest is not important to me. I have a wealth of information about world affairs at my finger tips and I also have access to a wealth of people that are more competent than you when it comes to world affairs.

::The [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|USA will be the leading power for the foreseeable future]] and if you think otherwise, feel free to write a counter essay at [[Essay: The United States will NOT be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:20, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::BTW, I responded to your challenge years ago with '''[[Essay: Are ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity conservative values?]]''', and keeping it updated would be a full-time job. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 18:23, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::And no, a Sysop who posts [[Three Stooges]] videos in what is supposed to be an email list on policy discussion & direction can't hardly be taken seriously. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 18:26, December 26, 2024 (EST)

Karajou has been around the world and in terms of human relations he has been married to his wife for many years. In addition, he has never divorced. As such, I have far, far more regard for Karajou opinions on international relations and human relations than your inane opinions on these matters. The utter failure of your so-called [[Team CP]] (You are the only member) is one of many pieces of evidence that you do not understand interpersonal relations. The [[Conservapedia:CP Civility Association|CP Civility Association]] has 9 members. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:03, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:So the [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Three_Stooges&diff=757178&oldid=756626 Two Stooges are in agreement.] Who you gonna get to stand in for Curly, Shemp?
::Addendum: Okay, I found the third stooge to go along with Karajou and Ken - [[Jake Sullivan]]. [https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-12-04/munitions-weapons-stockpiles-ukraine-china-russia-16061738.html All three want to start World War III without any weapons.] Brilliant! [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:52, December 27, 2024 (EST)
:I picture Karajou more as the brains of the operation like Mo; and [[User:Conservative]] just a wannabee, like Larry. But according to Karajou, this is the stuff for priority discussion on the Sysop email list, so just keep quoting that brainiac. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 21:19, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:Wow! Imagine that! One of [[Conservapedia]]'s resident experts on [[foreign affairs]] apparently [[plagiarized]] the [[Three Stooges]] article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 21:28, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::This essay gives 22 reasons to be bearish about about Russia's future. Give me 22 reasons why I should be bullish about Russia's future. Until you take me up on my challenge (see: <nowiki>[https://sites.google.com/view/my-challenge-to-robsmith/home My challenge to RobSmith about Russia given on August 11, 2024]</nowiki>) or write a compelling counter essay, there is no reason to take your whining and bellyaching seriously. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:05, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:::Speaking of off-topic subjects, when are you going to become obedient to [[God]], now at the age of 60, to get married, cleave to a wife, and be fruitful and multiply? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:12, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:::::It's obvious that you don't know your Bible as the Apostle Paul, one of Christianity's greatest advocates and evangelists wasn't married (1 Corinthians 7: 8). Furthermore, the Apostle Paul said it was better for the Christian not to marry if one has that gift from God (1 Corinthians 7: 7). {{Unsigned|User:Conservative}}
::::::Okay, so you were never attracted to a woman, and vice versa. Paul said marriage is honorable, and the bed undefiled. It's not a sin. But what goes on in [[gay bathhouses]] is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 01:32, December 27, 2024 (EST)
::::I will also point out that before one understands international relations, one has to understand interpersonal relations and your failure with the so-called [[Team CP]] (which only has you as a member) and other failures related to interpersonal relations shows you lack an understanding of this topic. In short, first socks, then shoes. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:59, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:::::What does that have to do with anything? I thought we were discussing that geopolitical analyst & [[Three Stooges]] biographer's marriage? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:43, December 26, 2024 (EST)
[[Image:2200-club-san-diego.jpg‎|alt=Gay bathhouses|thumbnail|295px|right|]]
::::People are literally voting with their feet (See: <nowiki>[[Essay: Top 12 reasons why people are flocking to the USA and leaving the corrupt, authoritarian countries of China and Russia]]</nowiki> and [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-millionaire-migration-in-2024/ Mapped: Millionaire Migration in 2024 from Russia and other countries. Millionaires are moving to the USA]. Use some common sense and stop engaging in irrational denialism.

::::Just admit that you picked the wrong countries to fall in love with (Namely, Russia and China) and that Russia's/China's mass emigration from their respective countries is a clear and compelling sign of this as is millionaires and others flocking to the USA. Your foolish pride in this matter is comical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:26, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Just admit that you picked the wrong bathhouses to fall in love with (Namely [[gay bathhouses]]). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 01:26, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:'''Update:''' [[Democracy]] in [[Ukraine]]. [https://t.me/IntelRepublic/44990 Your tax dollars at work.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:51, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:'''Question:''' Why is [[User:Conservative]] [[gossiping]] about [[User:Karajou]]'s [[marriage]], which is totally irrelevant to this discussion? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 23:05, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:Speaking of [[gossip]], did you see your buddy Ace/Conway [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia:What_is_going_on_at_CP%3F updated WIGO CP]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 23:10, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::"When citizens are fleeing a country, it often indicates a severe crisis like war, persecution, or economic collapse, leading to a range of negative impacts including: population decline, brain drain, economic instability, social unrest, and a strained capacity for essential services as the most skilled and productive individuals leave, leaving behind a vulnerable population struggling to maintain basic needs; this can further exacerbate the crisis and make it harder for the country to recover."[https://www.google.com/sea:rch?q=what+happens+to+countries+where+there+citizens+are+fleeing&sca_esv=9f43d3a7dae88e4e&sxsrf=ADLYWIKnmBLgqswjSoRb4gyhGVHFIVQccQ%3A1735279677472&ei=PURuZ4S_HKSJptQPjuSDwAc&ved=0ahUKEwjE0YvGpMeKAxWkhIkEHQ7yAHgQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=what+happens+to+countries+where+there+citizens+are+fleeing&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiOndoYXQgaGFwcGVucyB0byBjb3VudHJpZXMgd2hlcmUgdGhlcmUgY2l0aXplbnMgYXJlIGZsZWVpbmcyBxAhGKABGAoyBxAhGKABGAoyBxAhGKABGAoyBRAhGJ8FSM9qUABY9mZwA3gBkAEAmAGqAaABij-qAQQwLjYxuAEDyAEA-AEBmAJAoAK7QMICBBAjGCfCAgsQABiABBiRAhiKBcICERAuGIAEGLEDGNEDGIMBGMcBwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBjRAxjHAcICChAAGIAEGEMYigXCAg4QABiABBixAxiDARiKBcICBRAAGIAEwgIOEC4YgAQYsQMY0QMYxwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICDRAAGIAEGJECGIoFGArCAggQABiABBixA8ICBBAAGAPCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgIHEAAYgAQYCsICCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFwgIGEAAYFhgewgIFECEYoAHCAgUQIRirAsICCBAAGKIEGIkFmAMAkgcEMy42MaAHkugD&sclient=gws-wiz-serp] See: <nowiki>[https://decline-of-russia.blogspot.com/2024/11/russias-economy-is-that-of-shrinking.html Russia's brain drain] and [https://decline-of-russia.blogspot.com/2024/11/russias-demographic-crisis.html Russia's demographic crisis]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:11, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:::::::Why do you hate Russia so much? Because they passed anti-[[LGBT]] laws? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 02:21, December 27, 2024 (EST)
Do I hate Russia? Onus probandi actori incumbit! This is Latin for "He who asserts must prove".

By the way, I learned the Russian word for "hello" this Tuesday from a hairdresser who is one of the 20 to 30 million people compromising the Russian diaspora. So many people have fled Russia! I am looking forward to using my growing Russian vocabulary when I visit St. Petersburg, Moscow and the Golden Ring towns of Russia (historic towns east and west of Moscow with many architectural masterpieces). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:03, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:You like talking to yourself? I thought we were [[gossiping]] about [[User:Karajou]]'s marriage, but you can't seem to focus. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:51, December 27, 2024 (EST)

[[User:Conservative]]: As to your question, [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/268#Ok.2C_Mr._Analyst "Was a Russian IP address to a gay dating app found to be associated with the Kremlin?"], according to [[Conservapedia]], a [[White House]] [[Chief-of-Staff]] was arrested in a pay toilet 2 blocks from the [[White House]] with another man and charged with "disorderly conduct":
{{Cquote|One month before the election, White House Chief of Staff [[Walter Jenkins]] was arrested in a pay toilet of the men's room of the YMCA, two blocks from the White House. It was not the first time Jenkins had been arrested on the same charge. The police had apprehended him in the same washroom in January 1959 in a similar homosexual episode.}}
Given the precedent set by [[American]] global leadership and [[democracy]], there's nothing unusual about the alleged claims you make (particularly given ''[[The Guardian]]'s'' association with [[British intelligence]] services). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:19, January 7, 2025 (EST)

==Ever Predicted, Never Happening: Russia's Collapse==
Badmouthing Russia's economy has a certain tradition:

Russia's Collapse - Foreign Affairs, Sep 1, 1999

Russia Is Finished - The Atlantic, May 2001

The Russian Economic Crisis - CFR, Apr 2010

Since the start of the Special Military operation in Ukraine many outlets joined the above doomsayers of the foreign policy blob.

Since then most reports about Russia's economy predicted a collapse or at least severe difficulties. Here are some from just the previous six months:

Russia's economy is signaling a fate worse than recession - Business Insider, Sep 26 2024

Humiliation for Putin as Russia could plunge into 'economic collapse' to plug £30bn debt - Express, Oct 7 2024

Putin's Economy Approaches 'Burnout Point' - Newsweek, Oct 8 2024

Russia’s economy is overheating but Putin cannot change course - Atlantic Council, Oct 31, 2024

Russia’s War Economy Is Hitting Its Limits - Foreign Policy, Nov 14 2024

Russia’s economy is doomed - New Statesman, Nov 28 2024

Russian rouble collapse exposes deep problems in the country’s economy - The Conservation, Dec 3 2024

The Russian Economy Remains Putin’s Greatest Weakness - Foreign Affairs, Dec 9, 2024

Russia’s war economy spirals out of control as 2025 brings looming stagnation - NZZ, Jan 7 2025

Is 2025 the year that Russia’s economy finally freezes up under sanctions? - Atlantic Council, Jan 8 2025

Russia’s war economy is a house of cards (archived) - Financial Times, Jan 13 2025

Putin's war economy is running on fumes as inflation and shortages surge - Kyiv Independent, Jan 15 2025

Don’t Blink Now, Trump. Russia’s Economy Is Cracking. - Bloomberg, Feb 10 2025

Russia’s economy is stagnating – but that won’t force it to end the war - The Conservation, Mar 10 2025

The Russian economy is on the brink of collapse and Putin knows it - Independent, Mar 13 2025

Russia’s economy would struggle to cope with peace - Reuters, Mar 17 2025

Meanwhile the Russian economy is doing well. Its economy is growing faster than most other.

Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF - BBC, Apr 16 2024

IMF raises forecast for growth in Russia's GDP by 0.1 pp in 2025 - Interfax, Jan 17 2025

The lesson from this? Much of what one reads in mainstream media about Russia (and other so called enemies) is garbage. [https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/03/ever-predicted-never-happening-russias-collapse.html]
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:I warned against [[spamming]] too much of making [[Mearsheimer]] a credible and authoritive expert into dozens and dozens of [[Conservapedia]] mainspace and talk pages for several years. Now Mearsheimer says [[President Trump]] is [[delusion]]al and his so-called "[[peace]]" efforts are doomed to fail. So here we created a problem for ourselves which now has be dealt with for the remainder of Trump's term.

:And to argue against Mearsheimer is to place oneself into the [[warmonger]] and advocate of [[perpetual war]] camp.

:As to the guns and butter argument, I can't remember how many decades ago I last ate butter. Butter was knocked of the market in favor of oleamargarine during the [[Vietnam war]], which old timers then explained it was the ongoing legacy of [[World War II]] & the [[Korean war]]. In another 40, 50, or 80 years, maybe the predominantly rural & agrarian Ruassian Federation may have to convert to oleomargarine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:55, May 11, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:Gerashchenko 2.PNG|right|300px|thumb|Deputy Ukrainian Interior Minister and Advisor to President Zelensky Anton Gerashchenko, curator of the Myrotvorets website.[https://www.youtube.com/c/AntonGerashchenko/videos]]]
I finally had the opportunity to read this "[https://www.newsweek.com/russians-resort-stealing-butter-amid-shortages-1976575 ButterGate]" article which was spammed into at least [https://www.conservapedia.com/File:Butter.jpg 17 Conservapedia pages]. The ''[[Newsweek]]'' report was built around [https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1851193544410583081 a single instance of 2 shoplifters who were apprehended], armed with knives. The information was first posted to [[X]] by [[Anton Gerashchenko]], the notorious [[neo-nazi]] webmaster who maintains [[Myrotvorets]], better known as the [[Ukrainian kill list]]. [[Sen Rand Paul]] & [[DNI Tulsi Gabbard]] are included in the list.

Next time you hear Conservapedia is [[Nazi]] [[propaganda]], don't laugh. A senior Admin made it so. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 06:33, May 11, 2025 (EDT)

[[Conservapedia]] needs stronger anti-[[spamming]] enforcement. When an editor adds content, it should be in only one place - not 17 - and time given for other editors to vet the content. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:18, May 11, 2025 (EDT)

{{clear}}
[[File:Dollar hits 2 year low against rubble.PNG|center|600px|thumb|From 11 to 78. What is that? A 700% increase?]]
Looks like [[User:Conservative]] is about 0-6 in just the past 48 hrs. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:05, May 31, 2025 (EDT)

I could be adding meaningful content right now, but can't because of all the [[liberal claptrap]] [[User:Conservative]] has [[spammed]] into [[Conservapedia]] over the past 3 years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:06, May 31, 2025 (EDT)

==[[Category:User:Conservative proven wrong]] [https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Conservative_proven_wrong AGAIN]==
*[[Richard Sakwa]]: [[Russophobia]] Is Leading Us Toward War [[Glenn Diesen]] [https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/richard-sakwa-russophobia-is-leading].
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Do straight normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]] 19:51, July 13, 2026 (EDT)
*'''March 9, 2023''': ''[[Reuters]]'': [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-can-fight-ukraine-two-more-years-current-intensity-lithuania-says-2023-03-09/ Russia can fight in Ukraine for two more years at current intensity]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Do heterosexual normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]] 16:04, September 30, 2026 (EDT)

== Interesting Points ==

Just wanted to say hello, [[User:Conservative|Conservative]], and compliment your [https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_Why_I_am_not_bullish_on_Russia%27s_future well thought out points about the fact that Russia is not conservative], seemingly obvious given its associations with Communist dictatorships like China and North Korea and its high degree of state ownership of the economy. I especially liked your point that Russian church attendance is abysmally low in spite of the common Russian mantra that the country is Christian. The Pew source was a good source for that point.

As an aside, I would additionally observe that Russia, in antagonizing the European Union with terrorist attacks, will be critically endangering one of their primary buyers of energy, alienating a trading partner that could ultimately lead to an increased Russian economic decline as European countries look to reduce reliance on Russian energy. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 19:00, September 30, 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Essay: Why I am a narcissist and not bullish on Russia's future

2026-09-30T23:02:58Z

JZambrano: /* Interesting Points */

[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/18/ukraine-and-the-west-are-facing-a-devastating-defeat/ Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 14:49, July 22, 2023 (EDT)
:I don't believe that Ukraine will win the war and expel Russia from Ukraine. I also believe that Russia will continue to wreck Ukraine.

:But I also believe that any "victory" by Russia as far as the war in Ukraine will be a [[pyrrhic victory]] - especially given Russia's likely upcoming demographic winter which this war has worsened. (See:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R--yq_RfvMY Russia Facing Population Disaster - Demographic Crisis, Employee Shortages & Economic Crisis] and [https://archive.md/shYl8#selection-335.0-335.16 Millennials and Gen Z are blaming Putin for intensifying Russia’s baby shortfall: ‘It’s pretty bad for us’], Fortune magazine, December 3, 2022 and [https://healthpolicy-watch.news/russia-population-drop/ Dramatic Population Drop in Russia, as War, COVID and Emigration Exacerbate Declining Births], 6/03/2023).

:And I am still not bullish on Russia's future nor am I bullish on China's future (See: <nowiki>[[Essay:Skepticism about China remaining a global power]]</nowiki>). And although I believe that there may be an economic depression in the 2030s in the USA (which will likely cause a global recession given the size of the USA's economy), I am still bullish on America's future relative to other countries futures (see: <nowiki>[[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>).

:But by all means, feel free to create this essay: <nowiki>[[Essay: Why I am bullish on Russia's future]]</nowiki>. I have doubts that you will create such an essay, but you may surprise me. But please don't expect me to read your essay should you create such an essay as I have a low regard for your opinions on Russia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:17, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

== Notes about updating essay ==

=== Russia's GNP overtime in recent years ===

[[File:Russian GNP 1991 to 2023.jpg|thumbnail|center|1200px|Russian GNP 1991 to August 2023.
 
 
Estimates of Russian GNP 1991 to August 2023 measured in US [[fiat dollars]]; exchange rates between the dollar and the ruble ended in March 2022 when the ruble became a gold-backed currency.
 
 
Recently, the Russian ruble has seen a big decline:
 
 
*[https://archive.md/xJuj3#selection-4295.8-4295.22 Russia’s War-Torn Economy Hits Its Speed Limit: Economists see this week’s currency gyrations not as the beginning of a financial crisis but rather as a symptom of the Kremlin’s sclerotic economic prospects], ''Wall Street Journal'', August 2023
 
 
*[https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-minister-now-us-truck-driver-salary-same-ruble-crashed-2023-8 The Russian ruble hit a 16-month low this week and is one of the worst performing currencies in 2023], August, 2023
 
 
*[https://www.barrons.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-081523/card/russia-cranks-interest-rates-to-12-in-emergency-move-supporting-ruble-qZIrzuCgo6bOG4LVggRQ Russia Cranks Interest Rates to 12% in Emergency Move Supporting Ruble], Barron's, August 2023
 
 
*[https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/russia-economy-crash-ruble-imports-account-finance-putin-moscow-ukraine-2023-7 5 stats show how Russia's economy is declining], Business Insider, 2023]]
{{Clear}}

Update essay if Russia's GNP falls significantly or flatlines for a significant amount of time. Alternatively, look at some of the [https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/020215/top-ten-us-economic-indicators.asp leading economic indicators] such as inflation, value of ruble, etc. If the very unexpected happens, change the title of the article to: <nowiki>[[Essay: Why I am bullish on Russia's future]]</nowiki>. For example, Japan radically changed its culture, religious revival, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:57, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
:Oh, but if it grows you're going to ignore it. Got it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 18:08, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
[[File:Kabul 2021.jpg|right|350px|thumb|The author of this Essay thinks Ukraine will be another "frozen conflict". A month ago he was saying Ukraine is winning. He hasn't figured out yet Ukraine lost in March 2022.]]
Don't you understand a thing about [[Conservapedia:Editing etiquette]]? Yes, you can go back and fix typos and grammar in your original post ''after'' an editor responds; no, you are not supposed to ''change the context'' of your post after another editor responds. That is call [[bad faith editing]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:06, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

=== Update: Look at reviewing the article in about 6-12 months (So February of 2024 or August of 2024) ===

Update: Look at reviewing the article in about 6-12 months. See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9WPzrCL2eo RUSSIAN Economy Starts to Collapse as Current Account Falls 85% & Oil & Gas Revenues Crash in 2023]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:57, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

=== Since defense spending is a part of GDP, look at Russia's GDP after this war turns into a frozen conflict, etc. ===

Since defense spending is a part of GDP, as a result of this, look at Russia's GDP a few years after this war turns into a frozen conflict, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:19, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:Wishful thinking. [[D.C.]] [[deep state]] [[propaganda]]. "frozen conflict" is terminology and a phrase used by the US State Dept and & Pentagon to bow out so they don't get blamed. The Russian Federation has other ideas. It's going to be a "frozen conflict" like the people of [[Saigon]] and [[Kabul]] experienced, not like Korea. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 23:41, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:They're not going to say, "We lost", or "we got our butt kicked" like in Vietnam or Afghanistan; they going to say, "so long and adios, good luck" to Zelensky and call it a "frozen conflict". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:06, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:[https://youtu.be/guPXmdyCCg0 John Mearsheimer: Russia cannot be pushed back]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:09, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
::The title is "Since defense spending is a part of GDP, look at Russia's GDP after this war turns into a frozen conflict, <big>'''etc.'''</big>

::The "etc." indicates there are other possibilities.

::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:22, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:::The problem you have is, you're measuring it all in US dollars, and that is about to change, big time.

:::You will have to re-calibrate it all in few years from a new base. So you're not building anything you or anybody else can hang their hat on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:29, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

::::Think about this: Russia got kicked out of the SWIFT international banking network system, so the numbers you use are corrupted. And by the IMF's own calculations, Russia's GDP continues to grow despite sanctions. Additionally, the West seized $300 billion (more than 3 times [[Ukraine aid]]) in Russia's foreign reserves held abroad, and Russia is unphased. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:47, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
Most of the economic damage to Russia from the war and sanctions will be long-term economic damage (Brain drain, reduction of labor force such as soldiers killed or badly injured, etc, etc, etc.).

Recently, the historian Stephen Kotkin, Research Fellow Michael S. Bernstam, and Sergei Guriev, provost and professor of economics at the Institut d'études politiques de Paris had a discussion related to the sanctions on Russia and the damage caused by the war in Ukraine to Russia which is given below.

Here is that discussion: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x-qmMgVN8c Sanctions and Russia: Effects, Lessons, and the Future | A History Lab Discussion w/ Stephen Kotkin], August 25, 2023 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:55, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:::::When Russia had $300 billion in reserves in foreign banks, that was hard cold cash. When Congress voted $165 billion in Ukraine aid out of thin air, how was that paid for? On a printing press, which you pay for now in higher prices everytime you go to the grocery store. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:58, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Now that [[the West]] basically stole $300 billion from Russia, no one, not billionaire oligarchs nor national governments, want to hold their cash or reserves in US dollars in one of the 12,000 international banks that are members of the SWIFT banking network, because [[psychotic]]s like [[John McCain]], [[Barack Obama]], [[Joe Biden]] or the [[EU]] leadership can [[blackmail]] you or seize your money in a moment's notice (like they did [[Canadian truckers]]). The West didn't only shoot itself in the foot, it slit its own throat.

:::::Now, the question is, was this just stupidity, or is part of the [[Great Reset]]/[[Build Back Better]]/[[Green New Deal]] agenda, or both? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 01:07, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
Off topic. The essay is about Russia's future. If you want to comment on the USA, then comment on the talk page of my essay <nowiki>[[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>. Alternatively, and preferably, write an essay entitled [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on the USA's future]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:12, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:Whatsamatta, you can't read? I have as much faith that you took away from Prof. Kotkin about as much understanding as you do from Prof. Mearsheimer or Vladimir Pozner. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 01:18, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
::You fell into an absolute rage when I said that your depth of knowledge on international relations was not as extensive as Prof. Mearsheimer (who has been an international relations scholar for a very long time). I didn't mean offense by it as I believe I was just stating the obvious.

::Also, you think that you can somehow lift yourself by denigrating someone else. The world doesn't work that way. It's totally irrational thinking. And it doesn't bother me one bit as I have been in professions that require a very thick skin. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:26, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::I am definitely not impressed with your views about the USA, China, or Russia. Create the essay [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on the USA's future]] and make your best case as that would be the respectable thing to do. Respect is earned. It is not an entitlement. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:34, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

==Black Mountain Analysis==
You might find this interesting (but don't read just this excerpt, read the entire piece). [https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/geopolitics-update-i]
{{quotebox-float|To stop the Russians from advancing, Ukraine will literally need to stop the Russians with their bodies. And they will need millions of bodies to prolong the war for another year. Millions of dead. A price the West is ready to pay in order to to kill as many Russians (and Ukrainians), and in the process to destroy as much infrastructure and industry as possible.

Well, in fact, the West will pursue this war crime/crime against humanity as far as possible. And this is the point where I try to calm people down. Even though I’m not fully convinced yet, I can’t imagine that the Ukrainian (Russian!) people will follow. They will consider the epically defeated Ukrainian offensive, with tens of thousands of dead people, and the parallel Russian offensive at Kupyansk, with its implications for the immediate future. They will think of the hundreds of thousands of overall dead (400,000) with the corresponding funerals all over the country, and the people will eventually begin to resist. How? That remains to be seen, but it certainly (hopefully?) will avoid the conscription of millions, and the consequent death.

Well, the uprising of either the people or some elements within the military should mark the third and last phase of the Ukrainian collapse.

As I mentioned many times, the West is winning big in this dimension. The West has achieved the goal to kill as many Russians (Ukrainians and Russians) as possible up to this point. If the war ends tomorrow, the West will be satisfied in that respect. If it ends after additional hundreds of thousands or even millions die, even better. The geopolitical and eventually the economic damage to Russia will be significant. Especially in the struggle for Russia to establish itself as a major player in the emerging world order.

Yes, Russia managed the transition and triggered it, but it certainly also wants to be one of the leaders in economic terms. This could be hindered if most resources are bogged down within Russia for reconstruction. Hundreds of thousands of dead and permanently disabled men are also missing from the workforce. Hundreds of thousands of children will never be born because of the dearth of healthy males (fathers) in the resulting population.}}
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 18:35, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:You should probably let these guys know you annihilated the entire JFO ([https://www.conservapedia.com/images/thumb/4/42/Map-on-April-first.jpg/450px-Map-on-April-first.jpg with one weird trick!]) back in March / April 2022 so they can add another 120k to the total. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:27, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

::[https://www.conservapedia.com/File:A_Skeptic%27s_Best_Guess_On_Final_Map_(Revised).PNG It's coming to that], as soon as the 20,000 remaining NATO forces in [[Bradley Square]] are wiped out, with a pincer movement from the north along the Kupiansk front.

::Anyways, haven't you heard? WWII Big Arrow offensives are obsolete. We've progressed back to WWI-type trench warfare.
:::What's interesting is, cheap drones now can kill a single infantry man. That, coupled with facial recognition, has revolutionized warfare. Massed formations of infantry or armor are a thing of the past (GPS satellite technology did that, not to mention land mines). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:34, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:::IMO, we need robot soldiers who can fire an AK-47, robot tanks, and unmanned aerial fighters and bombers. It's the only humane thing to do. The US can import all its robots from [[China]], since we don't have the factories or educated workforce to work in them. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:52, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

::::ConwayIII, "Analyzing data compiled by the Uppsala Conflict Data Program (UCDP) on conflict termination since 1946, 26 percent of interstate wars like Ukraine end in less than 30 days and another 25 percent end in less than a year. Wars that end within a month last on average eight days, and 44 percent end in a ceasefire or peace agreement. Of wars that last over a month but less than a year, only 24 percent end in a ceasefire. When interstate wars last longer than a year, they extend to over a decade on average, resulting in sporadic clashes."[https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-does-it-end-what-past-wars-tell-us-about-how-save-ukraine#:~:text=Wars%20that%20end%20within%20a,average%2C%20resulting%20in%20sporadic%20clashes.]

::::Putin should have never launched his special operation in February 2022. It started a chain of events that are very tragic. See also: <nowiki>[[Essay: How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes|How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes]]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:41, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:::::That's interesting data if either side ever declares war; Russia has a [[Special military operation]] and Ukraine only has martial law (which makes conscription illegal case the [[Rada]] hasn't declared war). We'll remember that information should war ever break out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:45, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

== Next update for this essay: The year 2029 ==

Update the essay in 2029 as Russia's GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP) ranking in the world has been projected to drop in 2028 by an analyst or analysts.[https://www.russiamatters.org/blog/russia-worlds-5th-largest-economy-gdp-ppp#:~:text=The%20IMF%20predicts%20that%20Russia's,for%20comparisons%20of%20countries'%20GDP.]

If it drops, then consider using this as a partial explanation: [https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/09/08/russias-out-of-control-military-spending-en Russia’s out-of-control military spending]. With spending on the war in Ukraine potentially accounting for 45% of Russia’s budget by the end of the year, what are the implications for the rest of the economy?

In other words, guns vs. butter and economics. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:50, September 10, 2023 (EDT)

==Oleg Deripaska==
[[File:Doggie Doo Alert.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Doggie doo-doo Alert! [https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387625-mueller-may-have-a-conflict-and-it-leads-directly-to-a-russian-oligarch/] ]]
[[Oleg Deripaska]] is an FBI informant for [[Robert Mueller]] and <s>[[Peter Strzok]]</s> [[Andrew McCabe]].

Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about, spewing neo-Nazi and globalist propaganda, and doing CP and the [[conservative movement]] more harm than good.

[https://youtu.be/48Kk7kobMQY "Gimme back my pen"]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 16:16, November 25, 2023 (EST)

*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Christopher_Steele_and_Bruce_Ohr]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Trump-Russia]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Collusion]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Robert_Mueller]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Andrew_McCabe]]

It was [[Donald Trump]] who [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-imposes-major-sanctions-russian-oligarchs-officials-companies-n863271 added Deripaska to the Russia sanctions list.]

The rot in this Essay sounds like it came straight out of [[Hillary Clinton]]'s mouth. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 16:44, November 25, 2023 (EST)

So, are you going to correct the globalist neo-Nazi Clintonista information you inserted yesterday from your "informational cocoon"? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 11:28, November 27, 2023 (EST)

{{quotebox-float|"Concurrent with Ohr, Steele and Deripaska's activities to set up [Carter] Page's Russia visit, [[Comey]] and [[Loretta Lynch|Lynch]] vilely plotted to turn the patriotic Page from a hero into a Russian agent. They convened a meeting with Andrew McCabe, and the [[Obama administration]]'s highest-ranking national-security officials [[Susan Rice]], [[John Brennan]], and [[James Clapper]] to discuss how Page may be "compromised" by the Russians. Their objective was to use Page to illegally spy on Trump's campaign through a [[FISA]] warrant, and to bolster Steele's dossier allegations against Page."}}
::''Source:'' https://www.justice.gov/media/1145736/dl?inline=

Oh, so it wasn't just the Hillary Clinton campaign that manufactured the bogus [[Trump-Russia]] smear, it was the FBI, CIA, [[DNI]] and Obama National Security Advisor, along with Deripaska's help, involved. Yet here you are denying historical facts and reiterating the fundamental lies that destroyed Donald Trump's presidency.

See also: [[Essay: Does ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity define conservativism?]] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 17:17, November 27, 2023 (EST)

==Pure narcissism stated in the title==
"Why I'm not bullish". Who's interested in your [[narcissistic]] attitudes and views? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']] 13:48, February 25, 2024 (EST)

Dittos. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:04, October 1, 2024 (EDT)

Just ask Andy to ''speedy'' this [[crap]] and be done with it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:08, October 1, 2024 (EDT)

==How old are you?==
[[User:Conservative]]: Are you the last person on the [[planet]] to know, figure out, or be informed that [[war]] & [[inflation]] go hand-in-hand? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 14:43, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Does war and inflation always go hand and hand? Did the USA and Britain keep inflation rates low in WWII through two methods? See: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K1LZFUCmTOM Why Putin is in an economic bind], video and The Treasury asked the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low so the government could finance its debt more cheaply. See: [https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/feds-role-during-wwii#:~:text=To%20keep%20the%20costs%20of,of%202%20to%204%20percent. The Federal Reserve's Role During WWII].

::Does Russia have very high inflation and is it at risk of stagflation:

::'''Russia's inflation problem:'''

::*[https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/business/money-report/russian-central-bank-surprises-markets-by-holding-rates-at-21-despite-sky-high-inflation/4059556/ Russian central bank surprises markets by holding rates at 21% despite sky-high inflation], 10 Philadephia NBC News, December 20, 2024

::*[https://en.thebell.io/russias-rising-stagflation-threat/ Russia’s rising stagflation threat], The Bell, 2024 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:14, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::Yep. [[War]] & [[inflation]] always go hand-in-hand. [https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/artifact/hr-5990-act-further-national-defense-and-security-checking-inflationary-tendencies H.R. 5990, An Act to further the national defense and security by checking . . . inflationary tendencies (Emergency Price Control Act), January 27, 1942] See also [[Office of Price Administration]].

:::You're a dunce. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:31, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::::Tendencies is not high inflation.

::::"During World War II, the United States experienced relatively low inflation compared to other wartime periods due to strict government price controls implemented by the Office of Price Administration (OPA), which included rationing systems to manage consumer demand and limit access to scarce goods, effectively keeping inflation in check throughout the war."[https://www.google.com/search?q=low+inflation+wwii&oq=low+inflation+wwii&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQLhhA0gEIODk5OGowajGoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]

::::But if you want to create your own alternative reality about this matter, then have it. But I am not going to argue with you.

::::And after all is said and done, Russia has sky-high inflation and faces increasing risk of stagflation. Deny this and lose all credibility. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:41, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Oh, so now you are an advocate of [[big government]] solutions to [[inflation]], in addition to pitching [[globalism]] & [[neoconservativism]]. Okay. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:42, December 26, 2024 (EST)
Don't think I didn't notice that you are backing away from your position that wars always causes inflation. Because I did notice. But maybe there is hair splitting going on. "Relatively low inflation compared to other war periods" and high inflation (which Russia has) are very different things. And I see that you still struggle with the concept that there is no free lunch in economics and there are always going to be tradeoffs.

And if Trump negotiates a great deal with Putin concerning the war in Ukraine, Putin staring down the barrel of high-inflation leading to stagflation will be a key factor. And even then, Putin might not be able to dodge the stagflation bullet. Russia may face a difficult post war economy due to the economic pain of transitioning a war time economy to a more civilian economy. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:52, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:This essay should be retitled: '''[[Essay: I am a narcissistic racist and proponent of globalism, neoconservativism, and big government]]'''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:02, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Putin is practicing military Keynesianism and some generous policies to the civilian sector to boost his GNP and mollify the public. The resulting sky-high inflation is popping the rivets out of the SS Russia ship. If Russia keeps taking on water, stagflation will cause its economy to heavily list in the water. Meanwhile, the SS Trump and SS USA ships will be moving forward full-speed ahead! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:13, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::Add this to the '''[[Trump Effect]]:''' '''[https://citizenwatchreport.com/we-are-about-to-fall-off-a-cliff/ WE ARE ABOUT TO FALL OFF A CLIFF].''' Of course, [[inflation]] could delay and prolong the misery for a while. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:16, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::::I still agree with User: Karajou who wrote about you: "You have proven yourself to be no damn good in foreign affairs...".

::::Feel free to take me up on my challenge at: [https://sites.google.com/view/my-challenge-to-robsmith/home My challenge to RobSmith about Russia given on August 11, 2024]. And feel free to create counter essays to my essays. For example, write an essay at [[Essay: Why it makes sense to be bullish about Russia's future]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:41, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Well, at least Karajou only [[troll]]ed the Sysop discussion list with [[Three Stooges]] reruns. As to your challenges:
{{Cquote|Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.|||Proverbs 14:7}}
::::: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:49, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::Let me add this: What sort of contorted logic and reasoning in your twisted mind leads you think or believe me, or anyone, is "bullish" on Russia or anything? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:53, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::Still waiting for an answer to this question. Note time stamp. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 02:27, December 27, 2024 (EST)

You are failing to give me compelling reasons to be bullish on Russia and not to be bearish about the future of Russia.

I still agree with the international relations scholar [[John Mearsheimer]] about the future of Russia. "Russia is a declining power, and it will only get weaker with time." - John Mearsheimer

'''Reasons to be bullish on India and the USA:'''

"There are several reasons to be bullish on India, including its economic resilience, growing consumer class, and improving business environment. India's economy is one of the fastest growing in the world, with a GDP growth of 7.2% in FY23 and 6.5% estimated for FY24. India's GDP growth has surpassed China's in recent years and is expected to continue doing so."[https://www.google.com/search?q=bullish+on+india&oq=bullish+on+india&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORiABDIHCAEQABiABDIICAIQABgWGB4yCAgDEAAYFhgeMggIBBAAGBYYHjIICAUQABgWGB4yCAgGEAAYFhgeMggIBxAAGBYYHjIICAgQABgWGB4yBggJEC4YQNIBCDQzODNqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]

As of late 2023, the US stock market represents approximately 59% of the global stock market value, making it the largest stock market in the world by a significant margin.[https://archive.is/1SquO][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_stock_market_capitalization]

*[https://finance.yahoo.com/news/investors-allocation-to-us-stocks-hits-record-high-amid-super-bullish-sentiment-bofa-survey-164349535.htmlbInvestors' Allocation to US stocks hits record high amid 'super-bullish sentiment': BofA survey].

*[https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2024/07/why-i-remain-bullish-on-the-united-states-of-america-2/ Why I Remain Bullish on the United States of America].

I rest my case. USA! USA! USA! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:03, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:You are full of caca. When did I ever suggest to you to be "bullish", as you misuse the term, on Russian? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 17:11, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Again, I agree with User: Karajou about you: "You have proven yourself to be no damn good in foreign affairs...".

::What you suggest or don't suggest is not important to me. I have a wealth of information about world affairs at my finger tips and I also have access to a wealth of people that are more competent than you when it comes to world affairs.

::The [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|USA will be the leading power for the foreseeable future]] and if you think otherwise, feel free to write a counter essay at [[Essay: The United States will NOT be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:20, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::BTW, I responded to your challenge years ago with '''[[Essay: Are ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity conservative values?]]''', and keeping it updated would be a full-time job. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 18:23, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::And no, a Sysop who posts [[Three Stooges]] videos in what is supposed to be an email list on policy discussion & direction can't hardly be taken seriously. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 18:26, December 26, 2024 (EST)

Karajou has been around the world and in terms of human relations he has been married to his wife for many years. In addition, he has never divorced. As such, I have far, far more regard for Karajou opinions on international relations and human relations than your inane opinions on these matters. The utter failure of your so-called [[Team CP]] (You are the only member) is one of many pieces of evidence that you do not understand interpersonal relations. The [[Conservapedia:CP Civility Association|CP Civility Association]] has 9 members. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:03, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:So the [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Three_Stooges&diff=757178&oldid=756626 Two Stooges are in agreement.] Who you gonna get to stand in for Curly, Shemp?
::Addendum: Okay, I found the third stooge to go along with Karajou and Ken - [[Jake Sullivan]]. [https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-12-04/munitions-weapons-stockpiles-ukraine-china-russia-16061738.html All three want to start World War III without any weapons.] Brilliant! [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:52, December 27, 2024 (EST)
:I picture Karajou more as the brains of the operation like Mo; and [[User:Conservative]] just a wannabee, like Larry. But according to Karajou, this is the stuff for priority discussion on the Sysop email list, so just keep quoting that brainiac. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 21:19, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:Wow! Imagine that! One of [[Conservapedia]]'s resident experts on [[foreign affairs]] apparently [[plagiarized]] the [[Three Stooges]] article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 21:28, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::This essay gives 22 reasons to be bearish about about Russia's future. Give me 22 reasons why I should be bullish about Russia's future. Until you take me up on my challenge (see: <nowiki>[https://sites.google.com/view/my-challenge-to-robsmith/home My challenge to RobSmith about Russia given on August 11, 2024]</nowiki>) or write a compelling counter essay, there is no reason to take your whining and bellyaching seriously. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:05, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:::Speaking of off-topic subjects, when are you going to become obedient to [[God]], now at the age of 60, to get married, cleave to a wife, and be fruitful and multiply? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:12, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:::::It's obvious that you don't know your Bible as the Apostle Paul, one of Christianity's greatest advocates and evangelists wasn't married (1 Corinthians 7: 8). Furthermore, the Apostle Paul said it was better for the Christian not to marry if one has that gift from God (1 Corinthians 7: 7). {{Unsigned|User:Conservative}}
::::::Okay, so you were never attracted to a woman, and vice versa. Paul said marriage is honorable, and the bed undefiled. It's not a sin. But what goes on in [[gay bathhouses]] is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 01:32, December 27, 2024 (EST)
::::I will also point out that before one understands international relations, one has to understand interpersonal relations and your failure with the so-called [[Team CP]] (which only has you as a member) and other failures related to interpersonal relations shows you lack an understanding of this topic. In short, first socks, then shoes. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:59, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:::::What does that have to do with anything? I thought we were discussing that geopolitical analyst & [[Three Stooges]] biographer's marriage? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:43, December 26, 2024 (EST)
[[Image:2200-club-san-diego.jpg‎|alt=Gay bathhouses|thumbnail|295px|right|]]
::::People are literally voting with their feet (See: <nowiki>[[Essay: Top 12 reasons why people are flocking to the USA and leaving the corrupt, authoritarian countries of China and Russia]]</nowiki> and [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-millionaire-migration-in-2024/ Mapped: Millionaire Migration in 2024 from Russia and other countries. Millionaires are moving to the USA]. Use some common sense and stop engaging in irrational denialism.

::::Just admit that you picked the wrong countries to fall in love with (Namely, Russia and China) and that Russia's/China's mass emigration from their respective countries is a clear and compelling sign of this as is millionaires and others flocking to the USA. Your foolish pride in this matter is comical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:26, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Just admit that you picked the wrong bathhouses to fall in love with (Namely [[gay bathhouses]]). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 01:26, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:'''Update:''' [[Democracy]] in [[Ukraine]]. [https://t.me/IntelRepublic/44990 Your tax dollars at work.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:51, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:'''Question:''' Why is [[User:Conservative]] [[gossiping]] about [[User:Karajou]]'s [[marriage]], which is totally irrelevant to this discussion? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 23:05, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:Speaking of [[gossip]], did you see your buddy Ace/Conway [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia:What_is_going_on_at_CP%3F updated WIGO CP]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 23:10, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::"When citizens are fleeing a country, it often indicates a severe crisis like war, persecution, or economic collapse, leading to a range of negative impacts including: population decline, brain drain, economic instability, social unrest, and a strained capacity for essential services as the most skilled and productive individuals leave, leaving behind a vulnerable population struggling to maintain basic needs; this can further exacerbate the crisis and make it harder for the country to recover."[https://www.google.com/sea:rch?q=what+happens+to+countries+where+there+citizens+are+fleeing&sca_esv=9f43d3a7dae88e4e&sxsrf=ADLYWIKnmBLgqswjSoRb4gyhGVHFIVQccQ%3A1735279677472&ei=PURuZ4S_HKSJptQPjuSDwAc&ved=0ahUKEwjE0YvGpMeKAxWkhIkEHQ7yAHgQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=what+happens+to+countries+where+there+citizens+are+fleeing&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiOndoYXQgaGFwcGVucyB0byBjb3VudHJpZXMgd2hlcmUgdGhlcmUgY2l0aXplbnMgYXJlIGZsZWVpbmcyBxAhGKABGAoyBxAhGKABGAoyBxAhGKABGAoyBRAhGJ8FSM9qUABY9mZwA3gBkAEAmAGqAaABij-qAQQwLjYxuAEDyAEA-AEBmAJAoAK7QMICBBAjGCfCAgsQABiABBiRAhiKBcICERAuGIAEGLEDGNEDGIMBGMcBwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBjRAxjHAcICChAAGIAEGEMYigXCAg4QABiABBixAxiDARiKBcICBRAAGIAEwgIOEC4YgAQYsQMY0QMYxwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICDRAAGIAEGJECGIoFGArCAggQABiABBixA8ICBBAAGAPCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgIHEAAYgAQYCsICCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFwgIGEAAYFhgewgIFECEYoAHCAgUQIRirAsICCBAAGKIEGIkFmAMAkgcEMy42MaAHkugD&sclient=gws-wiz-serp] See: <nowiki>[https://decline-of-russia.blogspot.com/2024/11/russias-economy-is-that-of-shrinking.html Russia's brain drain] and [https://decline-of-russia.blogspot.com/2024/11/russias-demographic-crisis.html Russia's demographic crisis]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:11, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:::::::Why do you hate Russia so much? Because they passed anti-[[LGBT]] laws? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 02:21, December 27, 2024 (EST)
Do I hate Russia? Onus probandi actori incumbit! This is Latin for "He who asserts must prove".

By the way, I learned the Russian word for "hello" this Tuesday from a hairdresser who is one of the 20 to 30 million people compromising the Russian diaspora. So many people have fled Russia! I am looking forward to using my growing Russian vocabulary when I visit St. Petersburg, Moscow and the Golden Ring towns of Russia (historic towns east and west of Moscow with many architectural masterpieces). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:03, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:You like talking to yourself? I thought we were [[gossiping]] about [[User:Karajou]]'s marriage, but you can't seem to focus. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:51, December 27, 2024 (EST)

[[User:Conservative]]: As to your question, [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/268#Ok.2C_Mr._Analyst "Was a Russian IP address to a gay dating app found to be associated with the Kremlin?"], according to [[Conservapedia]], a [[White House]] [[Chief-of-Staff]] was arrested in a pay toilet 2 blocks from the [[White House]] with another man and charged with "disorderly conduct":
{{Cquote|One month before the election, White House Chief of Staff [[Walter Jenkins]] was arrested in a pay toilet of the men's room of the YMCA, two blocks from the White House. It was not the first time Jenkins had been arrested on the same charge. The police had apprehended him in the same washroom in January 1959 in a similar homosexual episode.}}
Given the precedent set by [[American]] global leadership and [[democracy]], there's nothing unusual about the alleged claims you make (particularly given ''[[The Guardian]]'s'' association with [[British intelligence]] services). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:19, January 7, 2025 (EST)

==Ever Predicted, Never Happening: Russia's Collapse==
Badmouthing Russia's economy has a certain tradition:

Russia's Collapse - Foreign Affairs, Sep 1, 1999

Russia Is Finished - The Atlantic, May 2001

The Russian Economic Crisis - CFR, Apr 2010

Since the start of the Special Military operation in Ukraine many outlets joined the above doomsayers of the foreign policy blob.

Since then most reports about Russia's economy predicted a collapse or at least severe difficulties. Here are some from just the previous six months:

Russia's economy is signaling a fate worse than recession - Business Insider, Sep 26 2024

Humiliation for Putin as Russia could plunge into 'economic collapse' to plug £30bn debt - Express, Oct 7 2024

Putin's Economy Approaches 'Burnout Point' - Newsweek, Oct 8 2024

Russia’s economy is overheating but Putin cannot change course - Atlantic Council, Oct 31, 2024

Russia’s War Economy Is Hitting Its Limits - Foreign Policy, Nov 14 2024

Russia’s economy is doomed - New Statesman, Nov 28 2024

Russian rouble collapse exposes deep problems in the country’s economy - The Conservation, Dec 3 2024

The Russian Economy Remains Putin’s Greatest Weakness - Foreign Affairs, Dec 9, 2024

Russia’s war economy spirals out of control as 2025 brings looming stagnation - NZZ, Jan 7 2025

Is 2025 the year that Russia’s economy finally freezes up under sanctions? - Atlantic Council, Jan 8 2025

Russia’s war economy is a house of cards (archived) - Financial Times, Jan 13 2025

Putin's war economy is running on fumes as inflation and shortages surge - Kyiv Independent, Jan 15 2025

Don’t Blink Now, Trump. Russia’s Economy Is Cracking. - Bloomberg, Feb 10 2025

Russia’s economy is stagnating – but that won’t force it to end the war - The Conservation, Mar 10 2025

The Russian economy is on the brink of collapse and Putin knows it - Independent, Mar 13 2025

Russia’s economy would struggle to cope with peace - Reuters, Mar 17 2025

Meanwhile the Russian economy is doing well. Its economy is growing faster than most other.

Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF - BBC, Apr 16 2024

IMF raises forecast for growth in Russia's GDP by 0.1 pp in 2025 - Interfax, Jan 17 2025

The lesson from this? Much of what one reads in mainstream media about Russia (and other so called enemies) is garbage. [https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/03/ever-predicted-never-happening-russias-collapse.html]
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:I warned against [[spamming]] too much of making [[Mearsheimer]] a credible and authoritive expert into dozens and dozens of [[Conservapedia]] mainspace and talk pages for several years. Now Mearsheimer says [[President Trump]] is [[delusion]]al and his so-called "[[peace]]" efforts are doomed to fail. So here we created a problem for ourselves which now has be dealt with for the remainder of Trump's term.

:And to argue against Mearsheimer is to place oneself into the [[warmonger]] and advocate of [[perpetual war]] camp.

:As to the guns and butter argument, I can't remember how many decades ago I last ate butter. Butter was knocked of the market in favor of oleamargarine during the [[Vietnam war]], which old timers then explained it was the ongoing legacy of [[World War II]] & the [[Korean war]]. In another 40, 50, or 80 years, maybe the predominantly rural & agrarian Ruassian Federation may have to convert to oleomargarine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:55, May 11, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:Gerashchenko 2.PNG|right|300px|thumb|Deputy Ukrainian Interior Minister and Advisor to President Zelensky Anton Gerashchenko, curator of the Myrotvorets website.[https://www.youtube.com/c/AntonGerashchenko/videos]]]
I finally had the opportunity to read this "[https://www.newsweek.com/russians-resort-stealing-butter-amid-shortages-1976575 ButterGate]" article which was spammed into at least [https://www.conservapedia.com/File:Butter.jpg 17 Conservapedia pages]. The ''[[Newsweek]]'' report was built around [https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1851193544410583081 a single instance of 2 shoplifters who were apprehended], armed with knives. The information was first posted to [[X]] by [[Anton Gerashchenko]], the notorious [[neo-nazi]] webmaster who maintains [[Myrotvorets]], better known as the [[Ukrainian kill list]]. [[Sen Rand Paul]] & [[DNI Tulsi Gabbard]] are included in the list.

Next time you hear Conservapedia is [[Nazi]] [[propaganda]], don't laugh. A senior Admin made it so. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 06:33, May 11, 2025 (EDT)

[[Conservapedia]] needs stronger anti-[[spamming]] enforcement. When an editor adds content, it should be in only one place - not 17 - and time given for other editors to vet the content. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:18, May 11, 2025 (EDT)

{{clear}}
[[File:Dollar hits 2 year low against rubble.PNG|center|600px|thumb|From 11 to 78. What is that? A 700% increase?]]
Looks like [[User:Conservative]] is about 0-6 in just the past 48 hrs. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:05, May 31, 2025 (EDT)

I could be adding meaningful content right now, but can't because of all the [[liberal claptrap]] [[User:Conservative]] has [[spammed]] into [[Conservapedia]] over the past 3 years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:06, May 31, 2025 (EDT)

==[[Category:User:Conservative proven wrong]] [https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Conservative_proven_wrong AGAIN]==
*[[Richard Sakwa]]: [[Russophobia]] Is Leading Us Toward War [[Glenn Diesen]] [https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/richard-sakwa-russophobia-is-leading].
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Do straight normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]] 19:51, July 13, 2026 (EDT)
*'''March 9, 2023''': ''[[Reuters]]'': [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-can-fight-ukraine-two-more-years-current-intensity-lithuania-says-2023-03-09/ Russia can fight in Ukraine for two more years at current intensity]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Do heterosexual normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]] 16:04, September 30, 2026 (EDT)

== Interesting Points ==

Just wanted to say hello, [[User:Conservative|Conservative]], and compliment your [https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_Why_I_am_not_bullish_on_Russia%27s_future well thought out points about the fact that Russia is not conservative], seemingly obvious given its associations with Communist dictatorships like China and North Korea and its high degree of state ownership of the economy. I especially liked your point that Russian church attendance is abysmally low in spite of the common Russian mantra that the country is Christian. The Pew source was a good source for that point. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 19:00, September 30, 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Essay: Why I am a narcissist and not bullish on Russia's future

2026-09-30T23:02:05Z

JZambrano: /* Interesting Points */

[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/18/ukraine-and-the-west-are-facing-a-devastating-defeat/ Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 14:49, July 22, 2023 (EDT)
:I don't believe that Ukraine will win the war and expel Russia from Ukraine. I also believe that Russia will continue to wreck Ukraine.

:But I also believe that any "victory" by Russia as far as the war in Ukraine will be a [[pyrrhic victory]] - especially given Russia's likely upcoming demographic winter which this war has worsened. (See:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R--yq_RfvMY Russia Facing Population Disaster - Demographic Crisis, Employee Shortages & Economic Crisis] and [https://archive.md/shYl8#selection-335.0-335.16 Millennials and Gen Z are blaming Putin for intensifying Russia’s baby shortfall: ‘It’s pretty bad for us’], Fortune magazine, December 3, 2022 and [https://healthpolicy-watch.news/russia-population-drop/ Dramatic Population Drop in Russia, as War, COVID and Emigration Exacerbate Declining Births], 6/03/2023).

:And I am still not bullish on Russia's future nor am I bullish on China's future (See: <nowiki>[[Essay:Skepticism about China remaining a global power]]</nowiki>). And although I believe that there may be an economic depression in the 2030s in the USA (which will likely cause a global recession given the size of the USA's economy), I am still bullish on America's future relative to other countries futures (see: <nowiki>[[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>).

:But by all means, feel free to create this essay: <nowiki>[[Essay: Why I am bullish on Russia's future]]</nowiki>. I have doubts that you will create such an essay, but you may surprise me. But please don't expect me to read your essay should you create such an essay as I have a low regard for your opinions on Russia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:17, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

== Notes about updating essay ==

=== Russia's GNP overtime in recent years ===

[[File:Russian GNP 1991 to 2023.jpg|thumbnail|center|1200px|Russian GNP 1991 to August 2023.
 
 
Estimates of Russian GNP 1991 to August 2023 measured in US [[fiat dollars]]; exchange rates between the dollar and the ruble ended in March 2022 when the ruble became a gold-backed currency.
 
 
Recently, the Russian ruble has seen a big decline:
 
 
*[https://archive.md/xJuj3#selection-4295.8-4295.22 Russia’s War-Torn Economy Hits Its Speed Limit: Economists see this week’s currency gyrations not as the beginning of a financial crisis but rather as a symptom of the Kremlin’s sclerotic economic prospects], ''Wall Street Journal'', August 2023
 
 
*[https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-minister-now-us-truck-driver-salary-same-ruble-crashed-2023-8 The Russian ruble hit a 16-month low this week and is one of the worst performing currencies in 2023], August, 2023
 
 
*[https://www.barrons.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-081523/card/russia-cranks-interest-rates-to-12-in-emergency-move-supporting-ruble-qZIrzuCgo6bOG4LVggRQ Russia Cranks Interest Rates to 12% in Emergency Move Supporting Ruble], Barron's, August 2023
 
 
*[https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/russia-economy-crash-ruble-imports-account-finance-putin-moscow-ukraine-2023-7 5 stats show how Russia's economy is declining], Business Insider, 2023]]
{{Clear}}

Update essay if Russia's GNP falls significantly or flatlines for a significant amount of time. Alternatively, look at some of the [https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/020215/top-ten-us-economic-indicators.asp leading economic indicators] such as inflation, value of ruble, etc. If the very unexpected happens, change the title of the article to: <nowiki>[[Essay: Why I am bullish on Russia's future]]</nowiki>. For example, Japan radically changed its culture, religious revival, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:57, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
:Oh, but if it grows you're going to ignore it. Got it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 18:08, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
[[File:Kabul 2021.jpg|right|350px|thumb|The author of this Essay thinks Ukraine will be another "frozen conflict". A month ago he was saying Ukraine is winning. He hasn't figured out yet Ukraine lost in March 2022.]]
Don't you understand a thing about [[Conservapedia:Editing etiquette]]? Yes, you can go back and fix typos and grammar in your original post ''after'' an editor responds; no, you are not supposed to ''change the context'' of your post after another editor responds. That is call [[bad faith editing]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:06, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

=== Update: Look at reviewing the article in about 6-12 months (So February of 2024 or August of 2024) ===

Update: Look at reviewing the article in about 6-12 months. See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9WPzrCL2eo RUSSIAN Economy Starts to Collapse as Current Account Falls 85% & Oil & Gas Revenues Crash in 2023]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:57, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

=== Since defense spending is a part of GDP, look at Russia's GDP after this war turns into a frozen conflict, etc. ===

Since defense spending is a part of GDP, as a result of this, look at Russia's GDP a few years after this war turns into a frozen conflict, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:19, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:Wishful thinking. [[D.C.]] [[deep state]] [[propaganda]]. "frozen conflict" is terminology and a phrase used by the US State Dept and & Pentagon to bow out so they don't get blamed. The Russian Federation has other ideas. It's going to be a "frozen conflict" like the people of [[Saigon]] and [[Kabul]] experienced, not like Korea. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 23:41, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:They're not going to say, "We lost", or "we got our butt kicked" like in Vietnam or Afghanistan; they going to say, "so long and adios, good luck" to Zelensky and call it a "frozen conflict". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:06, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:[https://youtu.be/guPXmdyCCg0 John Mearsheimer: Russia cannot be pushed back]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:09, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
::The title is "Since defense spending is a part of GDP, look at Russia's GDP after this war turns into a frozen conflict, <big>'''etc.'''</big>

::The "etc." indicates there are other possibilities.

::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:22, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:::The problem you have is, you're measuring it all in US dollars, and that is about to change, big time.

:::You will have to re-calibrate it all in few years from a new base. So you're not building anything you or anybody else can hang their hat on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:29, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

::::Think about this: Russia got kicked out of the SWIFT international banking network system, so the numbers you use are corrupted. And by the IMF's own calculations, Russia's GDP continues to grow despite sanctions. Additionally, the West seized $300 billion (more than 3 times [[Ukraine aid]]) in Russia's foreign reserves held abroad, and Russia is unphased. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:47, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
Most of the economic damage to Russia from the war and sanctions will be long-term economic damage (Brain drain, reduction of labor force such as soldiers killed or badly injured, etc, etc, etc.).

Recently, the historian Stephen Kotkin, Research Fellow Michael S. Bernstam, and Sergei Guriev, provost and professor of economics at the Institut d'études politiques de Paris had a discussion related to the sanctions on Russia and the damage caused by the war in Ukraine to Russia which is given below.

Here is that discussion: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x-qmMgVN8c Sanctions and Russia: Effects, Lessons, and the Future | A History Lab Discussion w/ Stephen Kotkin], August 25, 2023 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:55, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:::::When Russia had $300 billion in reserves in foreign banks, that was hard cold cash. When Congress voted $165 billion in Ukraine aid out of thin air, how was that paid for? On a printing press, which you pay for now in higher prices everytime you go to the grocery store. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:58, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Now that [[the West]] basically stole $300 billion from Russia, no one, not billionaire oligarchs nor national governments, want to hold their cash or reserves in US dollars in one of the 12,000 international banks that are members of the SWIFT banking network, because [[psychotic]]s like [[John McCain]], [[Barack Obama]], [[Joe Biden]] or the [[EU]] leadership can [[blackmail]] you or seize your money in a moment's notice (like they did [[Canadian truckers]]). The West didn't only shoot itself in the foot, it slit its own throat.

:::::Now, the question is, was this just stupidity, or is part of the [[Great Reset]]/[[Build Back Better]]/[[Green New Deal]] agenda, or both? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 01:07, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
Off topic. The essay is about Russia's future. If you want to comment on the USA, then comment on the talk page of my essay <nowiki>[[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>. Alternatively, and preferably, write an essay entitled [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on the USA's future]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:12, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:Whatsamatta, you can't read? I have as much faith that you took away from Prof. Kotkin about as much understanding as you do from Prof. Mearsheimer or Vladimir Pozner. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 01:18, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
::You fell into an absolute rage when I said that your depth of knowledge on international relations was not as extensive as Prof. Mearsheimer (who has been an international relations scholar for a very long time). I didn't mean offense by it as I believe I was just stating the obvious.

::Also, you think that you can somehow lift yourself by denigrating someone else. The world doesn't work that way. It's totally irrational thinking. And it doesn't bother me one bit as I have been in professions that require a very thick skin. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:26, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::I am definitely not impressed with your views about the USA, China, or Russia. Create the essay [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on the USA's future]] and make your best case as that would be the respectable thing to do. Respect is earned. It is not an entitlement. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:34, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

==Black Mountain Analysis==
You might find this interesting (but don't read just this excerpt, read the entire piece). [https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/geopolitics-update-i]
{{quotebox-float|To stop the Russians from advancing, Ukraine will literally need to stop the Russians with their bodies. And they will need millions of bodies to prolong the war for another year. Millions of dead. A price the West is ready to pay in order to to kill as many Russians (and Ukrainians), and in the process to destroy as much infrastructure and industry as possible.

Well, in fact, the West will pursue this war crime/crime against humanity as far as possible. And this is the point where I try to calm people down. Even though I’m not fully convinced yet, I can’t imagine that the Ukrainian (Russian!) people will follow. They will consider the epically defeated Ukrainian offensive, with tens of thousands of dead people, and the parallel Russian offensive at Kupyansk, with its implications for the immediate future. They will think of the hundreds of thousands of overall dead (400,000) with the corresponding funerals all over the country, and the people will eventually begin to resist. How? That remains to be seen, but it certainly (hopefully?) will avoid the conscription of millions, and the consequent death.

Well, the uprising of either the people or some elements within the military should mark the third and last phase of the Ukrainian collapse.

As I mentioned many times, the West is winning big in this dimension. The West has achieved the goal to kill as many Russians (Ukrainians and Russians) as possible up to this point. If the war ends tomorrow, the West will be satisfied in that respect. If it ends after additional hundreds of thousands or even millions die, even better. The geopolitical and eventually the economic damage to Russia will be significant. Especially in the struggle for Russia to establish itself as a major player in the emerging world order.

Yes, Russia managed the transition and triggered it, but it certainly also wants to be one of the leaders in economic terms. This could be hindered if most resources are bogged down within Russia for reconstruction. Hundreds of thousands of dead and permanently disabled men are also missing from the workforce. Hundreds of thousands of children will never be born because of the dearth of healthy males (fathers) in the resulting population.}}
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 18:35, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:You should probably let these guys know you annihilated the entire JFO ([https://www.conservapedia.com/images/thumb/4/42/Map-on-April-first.jpg/450px-Map-on-April-first.jpg with one weird trick!]) back in March / April 2022 so they can add another 120k to the total. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:27, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

::[https://www.conservapedia.com/File:A_Skeptic%27s_Best_Guess_On_Final_Map_(Revised).PNG It's coming to that], as soon as the 20,000 remaining NATO forces in [[Bradley Square]] are wiped out, with a pincer movement from the north along the Kupiansk front.

::Anyways, haven't you heard? WWII Big Arrow offensives are obsolete. We've progressed back to WWI-type trench warfare.
:::What's interesting is, cheap drones now can kill a single infantry man. That, coupled with facial recognition, has revolutionized warfare. Massed formations of infantry or armor are a thing of the past (GPS satellite technology did that, not to mention land mines). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:34, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:::IMO, we need robot soldiers who can fire an AK-47, robot tanks, and unmanned aerial fighters and bombers. It's the only humane thing to do. The US can import all its robots from [[China]], since we don't have the factories or educated workforce to work in them. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:52, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

::::ConwayIII, "Analyzing data compiled by the Uppsala Conflict Data Program (UCDP) on conflict termination since 1946, 26 percent of interstate wars like Ukraine end in less than 30 days and another 25 percent end in less than a year. Wars that end within a month last on average eight days, and 44 percent end in a ceasefire or peace agreement. Of wars that last over a month but less than a year, only 24 percent end in a ceasefire. When interstate wars last longer than a year, they extend to over a decade on average, resulting in sporadic clashes."[https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-does-it-end-what-past-wars-tell-us-about-how-save-ukraine#:~:text=Wars%20that%20end%20within%20a,average%2C%20resulting%20in%20sporadic%20clashes.]

::::Putin should have never launched his special operation in February 2022. It started a chain of events that are very tragic. See also: <nowiki>[[Essay: How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes|How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes]]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:41, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:::::That's interesting data if either side ever declares war; Russia has a [[Special military operation]] and Ukraine only has martial law (which makes conscription illegal case the [[Rada]] hasn't declared war). We'll remember that information should war ever break out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:45, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

== Next update for this essay: The year 2029 ==

Update the essay in 2029 as Russia's GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP) ranking in the world has been projected to drop in 2028 by an analyst or analysts.[https://www.russiamatters.org/blog/russia-worlds-5th-largest-economy-gdp-ppp#:~:text=The%20IMF%20predicts%20that%20Russia's,for%20comparisons%20of%20countries'%20GDP.]

If it drops, then consider using this as a partial explanation: [https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/09/08/russias-out-of-control-military-spending-en Russia’s out-of-control military spending]. With spending on the war in Ukraine potentially accounting for 45% of Russia’s budget by the end of the year, what are the implications for the rest of the economy?

In other words, guns vs. butter and economics. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:50, September 10, 2023 (EDT)

==Oleg Deripaska==
[[File:Doggie Doo Alert.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Doggie doo-doo Alert! [https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387625-mueller-may-have-a-conflict-and-it-leads-directly-to-a-russian-oligarch/] ]]
[[Oleg Deripaska]] is an FBI informant for [[Robert Mueller]] and <s>[[Peter Strzok]]</s> [[Andrew McCabe]].

Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about, spewing neo-Nazi and globalist propaganda, and doing CP and the [[conservative movement]] more harm than good.

[https://youtu.be/48Kk7kobMQY "Gimme back my pen"]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 16:16, November 25, 2023 (EST)

*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Christopher_Steele_and_Bruce_Ohr]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Trump-Russia]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Collusion]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Robert_Mueller]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Andrew_McCabe]]

It was [[Donald Trump]] who [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-imposes-major-sanctions-russian-oligarchs-officials-companies-n863271 added Deripaska to the Russia sanctions list.]

The rot in this Essay sounds like it came straight out of [[Hillary Clinton]]'s mouth. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 16:44, November 25, 2023 (EST)

So, are you going to correct the globalist neo-Nazi Clintonista information you inserted yesterday from your "informational cocoon"? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 11:28, November 27, 2023 (EST)

{{quotebox-float|"Concurrent with Ohr, Steele and Deripaska's activities to set up [Carter] Page's Russia visit, [[Comey]] and [[Loretta Lynch|Lynch]] vilely plotted to turn the patriotic Page from a hero into a Russian agent. They convened a meeting with Andrew McCabe, and the [[Obama administration]]'s highest-ranking national-security officials [[Susan Rice]], [[John Brennan]], and [[James Clapper]] to discuss how Page may be "compromised" by the Russians. Their objective was to use Page to illegally spy on Trump's campaign through a [[FISA]] warrant, and to bolster Steele's dossier allegations against Page."}}
::''Source:'' https://www.justice.gov/media/1145736/dl?inline=

Oh, so it wasn't just the Hillary Clinton campaign that manufactured the bogus [[Trump-Russia]] smear, it was the FBI, CIA, [[DNI]] and Obama National Security Advisor, along with Deripaska's help, involved. Yet here you are denying historical facts and reiterating the fundamental lies that destroyed Donald Trump's presidency.

See also: [[Essay: Does ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity define conservativism?]] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 17:17, November 27, 2023 (EST)

==Pure narcissism stated in the title==
"Why I'm not bullish". Who's interested in your [[narcissistic]] attitudes and views? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']] 13:48, February 25, 2024 (EST)

Dittos. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:04, October 1, 2024 (EDT)

Just ask Andy to ''speedy'' this [[crap]] and be done with it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:08, October 1, 2024 (EDT)

==How old are you?==
[[User:Conservative]]: Are you the last person on the [[planet]] to know, figure out, or be informed that [[war]] & [[inflation]] go hand-in-hand? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 14:43, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Does war and inflation always go hand and hand? Did the USA and Britain keep inflation rates low in WWII through two methods? See: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K1LZFUCmTOM Why Putin is in an economic bind], video and The Treasury asked the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low so the government could finance its debt more cheaply. See: [https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/feds-role-during-wwii#:~:text=To%20keep%20the%20costs%20of,of%202%20to%204%20percent. The Federal Reserve's Role During WWII].

::Does Russia have very high inflation and is it at risk of stagflation:

::'''Russia's inflation problem:'''

::*[https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/business/money-report/russian-central-bank-surprises-markets-by-holding-rates-at-21-despite-sky-high-inflation/4059556/ Russian central bank surprises markets by holding rates at 21% despite sky-high inflation], 10 Philadephia NBC News, December 20, 2024

::*[https://en.thebell.io/russias-rising-stagflation-threat/ Russia’s rising stagflation threat], The Bell, 2024 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:14, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::Yep. [[War]] & [[inflation]] always go hand-in-hand. [https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/artifact/hr-5990-act-further-national-defense-and-security-checking-inflationary-tendencies H.R. 5990, An Act to further the national defense and security by checking . . . inflationary tendencies (Emergency Price Control Act), January 27, 1942] See also [[Office of Price Administration]].

:::You're a dunce. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:31, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::::Tendencies is not high inflation.

::::"During World War II, the United States experienced relatively low inflation compared to other wartime periods due to strict government price controls implemented by the Office of Price Administration (OPA), which included rationing systems to manage consumer demand and limit access to scarce goods, effectively keeping inflation in check throughout the war."[https://www.google.com/search?q=low+inflation+wwii&oq=low+inflation+wwii&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQLhhA0gEIODk5OGowajGoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]

::::But if you want to create your own alternative reality about this matter, then have it. But I am not going to argue with you.

::::And after all is said and done, Russia has sky-high inflation and faces increasing risk of stagflation. Deny this and lose all credibility. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:41, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Oh, so now you are an advocate of [[big government]] solutions to [[inflation]], in addition to pitching [[globalism]] & [[neoconservativism]]. Okay. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:42, December 26, 2024 (EST)
Don't think I didn't notice that you are backing away from your position that wars always causes inflation. Because I did notice. But maybe there is hair splitting going on. "Relatively low inflation compared to other war periods" and high inflation (which Russia has) are very different things. And I see that you still struggle with the concept that there is no free lunch in economics and there are always going to be tradeoffs.

And if Trump negotiates a great deal with Putin concerning the war in Ukraine, Putin staring down the barrel of high-inflation leading to stagflation will be a key factor. And even then, Putin might not be able to dodge the stagflation bullet. Russia may face a difficult post war economy due to the economic pain of transitioning a war time economy to a more civilian economy. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:52, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:This essay should be retitled: '''[[Essay: I am a narcissistic racist and proponent of globalism, neoconservativism, and big government]]'''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:02, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Putin is practicing military Keynesianism and some generous policies to the civilian sector to boost his GNP and mollify the public. The resulting sky-high inflation is popping the rivets out of the SS Russia ship. If Russia keeps taking on water, stagflation will cause its economy to heavily list in the water. Meanwhile, the SS Trump and SS USA ships will be moving forward full-speed ahead! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:13, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::Add this to the '''[[Trump Effect]]:''' '''[https://citizenwatchreport.com/we-are-about-to-fall-off-a-cliff/ WE ARE ABOUT TO FALL OFF A CLIFF].''' Of course, [[inflation]] could delay and prolong the misery for a while. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:16, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::::I still agree with User: Karajou who wrote about you: "You have proven yourself to be no damn good in foreign affairs...".

::::Feel free to take me up on my challenge at: [https://sites.google.com/view/my-challenge-to-robsmith/home My challenge to RobSmith about Russia given on August 11, 2024]. And feel free to create counter essays to my essays. For example, write an essay at [[Essay: Why it makes sense to be bullish about Russia's future]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:41, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Well, at least Karajou only [[troll]]ed the Sysop discussion list with [[Three Stooges]] reruns. As to your challenges:
{{Cquote|Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.|||Proverbs 14:7}}
::::: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:49, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::Let me add this: What sort of contorted logic and reasoning in your twisted mind leads you think or believe me, or anyone, is "bullish" on Russia or anything? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:53, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::Still waiting for an answer to this question. Note time stamp. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 02:27, December 27, 2024 (EST)

You are failing to give me compelling reasons to be bullish on Russia and not to be bearish about the future of Russia.

I still agree with the international relations scholar [[John Mearsheimer]] about the future of Russia. "Russia is a declining power, and it will only get weaker with time." - John Mearsheimer

'''Reasons to be bullish on India and the USA:'''

"There are several reasons to be bullish on India, including its economic resilience, growing consumer class, and improving business environment. India's economy is one of the fastest growing in the world, with a GDP growth of 7.2% in FY23 and 6.5% estimated for FY24. India's GDP growth has surpassed China's in recent years and is expected to continue doing so."[https://www.google.com/search?q=bullish+on+india&oq=bullish+on+india&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORiABDIHCAEQABiABDIICAIQABgWGB4yCAgDEAAYFhgeMggIBBAAGBYYHjIICAUQABgWGB4yCAgGEAAYFhgeMggIBxAAGBYYHjIICAgQABgWGB4yBggJEC4YQNIBCDQzODNqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]

As of late 2023, the US stock market represents approximately 59% of the global stock market value, making it the largest stock market in the world by a significant margin.[https://archive.is/1SquO][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_stock_market_capitalization]

*[https://finance.yahoo.com/news/investors-allocation-to-us-stocks-hits-record-high-amid-super-bullish-sentiment-bofa-survey-164349535.htmlbInvestors' Allocation to US stocks hits record high amid 'super-bullish sentiment': BofA survey].

*[https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2024/07/why-i-remain-bullish-on-the-united-states-of-america-2/ Why I Remain Bullish on the United States of America].

I rest my case. USA! USA! USA! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:03, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:You are full of caca. When did I ever suggest to you to be "bullish", as you misuse the term, on Russian? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 17:11, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Again, I agree with User: Karajou about you: "You have proven yourself to be no damn good in foreign affairs...".

::What you suggest or don't suggest is not important to me. I have a wealth of information about world affairs at my finger tips and I also have access to a wealth of people that are more competent than you when it comes to world affairs.

::The [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|USA will be the leading power for the foreseeable future]] and if you think otherwise, feel free to write a counter essay at [[Essay: The United States will NOT be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:20, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::BTW, I responded to your challenge years ago with '''[[Essay: Are ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity conservative values?]]''', and keeping it updated would be a full-time job. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 18:23, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::And no, a Sysop who posts [[Three Stooges]] videos in what is supposed to be an email list on policy discussion & direction can't hardly be taken seriously. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 18:26, December 26, 2024 (EST)

Karajou has been around the world and in terms of human relations he has been married to his wife for many years. In addition, he has never divorced. As such, I have far, far more regard for Karajou opinions on international relations and human relations than your inane opinions on these matters. The utter failure of your so-called [[Team CP]] (You are the only member) is one of many pieces of evidence that you do not understand interpersonal relations. The [[Conservapedia:CP Civility Association|CP Civility Association]] has 9 members. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:03, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:So the [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Three_Stooges&diff=757178&oldid=756626 Two Stooges are in agreement.] Who you gonna get to stand in for Curly, Shemp?
::Addendum: Okay, I found the third stooge to go along with Karajou and Ken - [[Jake Sullivan]]. [https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-12-04/munitions-weapons-stockpiles-ukraine-china-russia-16061738.html All three want to start World War III without any weapons.] Brilliant! [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:52, December 27, 2024 (EST)
:I picture Karajou more as the brains of the operation like Mo; and [[User:Conservative]] just a wannabee, like Larry. But according to Karajou, this is the stuff for priority discussion on the Sysop email list, so just keep quoting that brainiac. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 21:19, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:Wow! Imagine that! One of [[Conservapedia]]'s resident experts on [[foreign affairs]] apparently [[plagiarized]] the [[Three Stooges]] article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 21:28, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::This essay gives 22 reasons to be bearish about about Russia's future. Give me 22 reasons why I should be bullish about Russia's future. Until you take me up on my challenge (see: <nowiki>[https://sites.google.com/view/my-challenge-to-robsmith/home My challenge to RobSmith about Russia given on August 11, 2024]</nowiki>) or write a compelling counter essay, there is no reason to take your whining and bellyaching seriously. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:05, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:::Speaking of off-topic subjects, when are you going to become obedient to [[God]], now at the age of 60, to get married, cleave to a wife, and be fruitful and multiply? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:12, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:::::It's obvious that you don't know your Bible as the Apostle Paul, one of Christianity's greatest advocates and evangelists wasn't married (1 Corinthians 7: 8). Furthermore, the Apostle Paul said it was better for the Christian not to marry if one has that gift from God (1 Corinthians 7: 7). {{Unsigned|User:Conservative}}
::::::Okay, so you were never attracted to a woman, and vice versa. Paul said marriage is honorable, and the bed undefiled. It's not a sin. But what goes on in [[gay bathhouses]] is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 01:32, December 27, 2024 (EST)
::::I will also point out that before one understands international relations, one has to understand interpersonal relations and your failure with the so-called [[Team CP]] (which only has you as a member) and other failures related to interpersonal relations shows you lack an understanding of this topic. In short, first socks, then shoes. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:59, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:::::What does that have to do with anything? I thought we were discussing that geopolitical analyst & [[Three Stooges]] biographer's marriage? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:43, December 26, 2024 (EST)
[[Image:2200-club-san-diego.jpg‎|alt=Gay bathhouses|thumbnail|295px|right|]]
::::People are literally voting with their feet (See: <nowiki>[[Essay: Top 12 reasons why people are flocking to the USA and leaving the corrupt, authoritarian countries of China and Russia]]</nowiki> and [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-millionaire-migration-in-2024/ Mapped: Millionaire Migration in 2024 from Russia and other countries. Millionaires are moving to the USA]. Use some common sense and stop engaging in irrational denialism.

::::Just admit that you picked the wrong countries to fall in love with (Namely, Russia and China) and that Russia's/China's mass emigration from their respective countries is a clear and compelling sign of this as is millionaires and others flocking to the USA. Your foolish pride in this matter is comical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:26, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Just admit that you picked the wrong bathhouses to fall in love with (Namely [[gay bathhouses]]). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 01:26, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:'''Update:''' [[Democracy]] in [[Ukraine]]. [https://t.me/IntelRepublic/44990 Your tax dollars at work.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:51, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:'''Question:''' Why is [[User:Conservative]] [[gossiping]] about [[User:Karajou]]'s [[marriage]], which is totally irrelevant to this discussion? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 23:05, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:Speaking of [[gossip]], did you see your buddy Ace/Conway [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia:What_is_going_on_at_CP%3F updated WIGO CP]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 23:10, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::"When citizens are fleeing a country, it often indicates a severe crisis like war, persecution, or economic collapse, leading to a range of negative impacts including: population decline, brain drain, economic instability, social unrest, and a strained capacity for essential services as the most skilled and productive individuals leave, leaving behind a vulnerable population struggling to maintain basic needs; this can further exacerbate the crisis and make it harder for the country to recover."[https://www.google.com/sea:rch?q=what+happens+to+countries+where+there+citizens+are+fleeing&sca_esv=9f43d3a7dae88e4e&sxsrf=ADLYWIKnmBLgqswjSoRb4gyhGVHFIVQccQ%3A1735279677472&ei=PURuZ4S_HKSJptQPjuSDwAc&ved=0ahUKEwjE0YvGpMeKAxWkhIkEHQ7yAHgQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=what+happens+to+countries+where+there+citizens+are+fleeing&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiOndoYXQgaGFwcGVucyB0byBjb3VudHJpZXMgd2hlcmUgdGhlcmUgY2l0aXplbnMgYXJlIGZsZWVpbmcyBxAhGKABGAoyBxAhGKABGAoyBxAhGKABGAoyBRAhGJ8FSM9qUABY9mZwA3gBkAEAmAGqAaABij-qAQQwLjYxuAEDyAEA-AEBmAJAoAK7QMICBBAjGCfCAgsQABiABBiRAhiKBcICERAuGIAEGLEDGNEDGIMBGMcBwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBjRAxjHAcICChAAGIAEGEMYigXCAg4QABiABBixAxiDARiKBcICBRAAGIAEwgIOEC4YgAQYsQMY0QMYxwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICDRAAGIAEGJECGIoFGArCAggQABiABBixA8ICBBAAGAPCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgIHEAAYgAQYCsICCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFwgIGEAAYFhgewgIFECEYoAHCAgUQIRirAsICCBAAGKIEGIkFmAMAkgcEMy42MaAHkugD&sclient=gws-wiz-serp] See: <nowiki>[https://decline-of-russia.blogspot.com/2024/11/russias-economy-is-that-of-shrinking.html Russia's brain drain] and [https://decline-of-russia.blogspot.com/2024/11/russias-demographic-crisis.html Russia's demographic crisis]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:11, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:::::::Why do you hate Russia so much? Because they passed anti-[[LGBT]] laws? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 02:21, December 27, 2024 (EST)
Do I hate Russia? Onus probandi actori incumbit! This is Latin for "He who asserts must prove".

By the way, I learned the Russian word for "hello" this Tuesday from a hairdresser who is one of the 20 to 30 million people compromising the Russian diaspora. So many people have fled Russia! I am looking forward to using my growing Russian vocabulary when I visit St. Petersburg, Moscow and the Golden Ring towns of Russia (historic towns east and west of Moscow with many architectural masterpieces). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:03, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:You like talking to yourself? I thought we were [[gossiping]] about [[User:Karajou]]'s marriage, but you can't seem to focus. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:51, December 27, 2024 (EST)

[[User:Conservative]]: As to your question, [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/268#Ok.2C_Mr._Analyst "Was a Russian IP address to a gay dating app found to be associated with the Kremlin?"], according to [[Conservapedia]], a [[White House]] [[Chief-of-Staff]] was arrested in a pay toilet 2 blocks from the [[White House]] with another man and charged with "disorderly conduct":
{{Cquote|One month before the election, White House Chief of Staff [[Walter Jenkins]] was arrested in a pay toilet of the men's room of the YMCA, two blocks from the White House. It was not the first time Jenkins had been arrested on the same charge. The police had apprehended him in the same washroom in January 1959 in a similar homosexual episode.}}
Given the precedent set by [[American]] global leadership and [[democracy]], there's nothing unusual about the alleged claims you make (particularly given ''[[The Guardian]]'s'' association with [[British intelligence]] services). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:19, January 7, 2025 (EST)

==Ever Predicted, Never Happening: Russia's Collapse==
Badmouthing Russia's economy has a certain tradition:

Russia's Collapse - Foreign Affairs, Sep 1, 1999

Russia Is Finished - The Atlantic, May 2001

The Russian Economic Crisis - CFR, Apr 2010

Since the start of the Special Military operation in Ukraine many outlets joined the above doomsayers of the foreign policy blob.

Since then most reports about Russia's economy predicted a collapse or at least severe difficulties. Here are some from just the previous six months:

Russia's economy is signaling a fate worse than recession - Business Insider, Sep 26 2024

Humiliation for Putin as Russia could plunge into 'economic collapse' to plug £30bn debt - Express, Oct 7 2024

Putin's Economy Approaches 'Burnout Point' - Newsweek, Oct 8 2024

Russia’s economy is overheating but Putin cannot change course - Atlantic Council, Oct 31, 2024

Russia’s War Economy Is Hitting Its Limits - Foreign Policy, Nov 14 2024

Russia’s economy is doomed - New Statesman, Nov 28 2024

Russian rouble collapse exposes deep problems in the country’s economy - The Conservation, Dec 3 2024

The Russian Economy Remains Putin’s Greatest Weakness - Foreign Affairs, Dec 9, 2024

Russia’s war economy spirals out of control as 2025 brings looming stagnation - NZZ, Jan 7 2025

Is 2025 the year that Russia’s economy finally freezes up under sanctions? - Atlantic Council, Jan 8 2025

Russia’s war economy is a house of cards (archived) - Financial Times, Jan 13 2025

Putin's war economy is running on fumes as inflation and shortages surge - Kyiv Independent, Jan 15 2025

Don’t Blink Now, Trump. Russia’s Economy Is Cracking. - Bloomberg, Feb 10 2025

Russia’s economy is stagnating – but that won’t force it to end the war - The Conservation, Mar 10 2025

The Russian economy is on the brink of collapse and Putin knows it - Independent, Mar 13 2025

Russia’s economy would struggle to cope with peace - Reuters, Mar 17 2025

Meanwhile the Russian economy is doing well. Its economy is growing faster than most other.

Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF - BBC, Apr 16 2024

IMF raises forecast for growth in Russia's GDP by 0.1 pp in 2025 - Interfax, Jan 17 2025

The lesson from this? Much of what one reads in mainstream media about Russia (and other so called enemies) is garbage. [https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/03/ever-predicted-never-happening-russias-collapse.html]
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:I warned against [[spamming]] too much of making [[Mearsheimer]] a credible and authoritive expert into dozens and dozens of [[Conservapedia]] mainspace and talk pages for several years. Now Mearsheimer says [[President Trump]] is [[delusion]]al and his so-called "[[peace]]" efforts are doomed to fail. So here we created a problem for ourselves which now has be dealt with for the remainder of Trump's term.

:And to argue against Mearsheimer is to place oneself into the [[warmonger]] and advocate of [[perpetual war]] camp.

:As to the guns and butter argument, I can't remember how many decades ago I last ate butter. Butter was knocked of the market in favor of oleamargarine during the [[Vietnam war]], which old timers then explained it was the ongoing legacy of [[World War II]] & the [[Korean war]]. In another 40, 50, or 80 years, maybe the predominantly rural & agrarian Ruassian Federation may have to convert to oleomargarine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:55, May 11, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:Gerashchenko 2.PNG|right|300px|thumb|Deputy Ukrainian Interior Minister and Advisor to President Zelensky Anton Gerashchenko, curator of the Myrotvorets website.[https://www.youtube.com/c/AntonGerashchenko/videos]]]
I finally had the opportunity to read this "[https://www.newsweek.com/russians-resort-stealing-butter-amid-shortages-1976575 ButterGate]" article which was spammed into at least [https://www.conservapedia.com/File:Butter.jpg 17 Conservapedia pages]. The ''[[Newsweek]]'' report was built around [https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1851193544410583081 a single instance of 2 shoplifters who were apprehended], armed with knives. The information was first posted to [[X]] by [[Anton Gerashchenko]], the notorious [[neo-nazi]] webmaster who maintains [[Myrotvorets]], better known as the [[Ukrainian kill list]]. [[Sen Rand Paul]] & [[DNI Tulsi Gabbard]] are included in the list.

Next time you hear Conservapedia is [[Nazi]] [[propaganda]], don't laugh. A senior Admin made it so. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 06:33, May 11, 2025 (EDT)

[[Conservapedia]] needs stronger anti-[[spamming]] enforcement. When an editor adds content, it should be in only one place - not 17 - and time given for other editors to vet the content. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:18, May 11, 2025 (EDT)

{{clear}}
[[File:Dollar hits 2 year low against rubble.PNG|center|600px|thumb|From 11 to 78. What is that? A 700% increase?]]
Looks like [[User:Conservative]] is about 0-6 in just the past 48 hrs. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:05, May 31, 2025 (EDT)

I could be adding meaningful content right now, but can't because of all the [[liberal claptrap]] [[User:Conservative]] has [[spammed]] into [[Conservapedia]] over the past 3 years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:06, May 31, 2025 (EDT)

==[[Category:User:Conservative proven wrong]] [https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Conservative_proven_wrong AGAIN]==
*[[Richard Sakwa]]: [[Russophobia]] Is Leading Us Toward War [[Glenn Diesen]] [https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/richard-sakwa-russophobia-is-leading].
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Do straight normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]] 19:51, July 13, 2026 (EDT)
*'''March 9, 2023''': ''[[Reuters]]'': [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-can-fight-ukraine-two-more-years-current-intensity-lithuania-says-2023-03-09/ Russia can fight in Ukraine for two more years at current intensity]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Do heterosexual normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]] 16:04, September 30, 2026 (EDT)

== Interesting Points ==

Just wanted to say hello, [[User:Conservative|Conservative]], and compliment your [https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_Why_I_am_not_bullish_on_Russia%27s_future well thought out points about the fact that Russia is not conservative], seemingly obvious given its associations with Communist dictatorships like China and North Korea and its high degree of state ownership of the economy. I especially liked your point that Russian church attendance is abysmally low in spite of the common Russian mantra that the country is Christian. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 19:00, September 30, 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Essay: Why I am a narcissist and not bullish on Russia's future

2026-09-30T23:00:40Z

JZambrano: /* Interesting Points */

[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/18/ukraine-and-the-west-are-facing-a-devastating-defeat/ Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 14:49, July 22, 2023 (EDT)
:I don't believe that Ukraine will win the war and expel Russia from Ukraine. I also believe that Russia will continue to wreck Ukraine.

:But I also believe that any "victory" by Russia as far as the war in Ukraine will be a [[pyrrhic victory]] - especially given Russia's likely upcoming demographic winter which this war has worsened. (See:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R--yq_RfvMY Russia Facing Population Disaster - Demographic Crisis, Employee Shortages & Economic Crisis] and [https://archive.md/shYl8#selection-335.0-335.16 Millennials and Gen Z are blaming Putin for intensifying Russia’s baby shortfall: ‘It’s pretty bad for us’], Fortune magazine, December 3, 2022 and [https://healthpolicy-watch.news/russia-population-drop/ Dramatic Population Drop in Russia, as War, COVID and Emigration Exacerbate Declining Births], 6/03/2023).

:And I am still not bullish on Russia's future nor am I bullish on China's future (See: <nowiki>[[Essay:Skepticism about China remaining a global power]]</nowiki>). And although I believe that there may be an economic depression in the 2030s in the USA (which will likely cause a global recession given the size of the USA's economy), I am still bullish on America's future relative to other countries futures (see: <nowiki>[[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>).

:But by all means, feel free to create this essay: <nowiki>[[Essay: Why I am bullish on Russia's future]]</nowiki>. I have doubts that you will create such an essay, but you may surprise me. But please don't expect me to read your essay should you create such an essay as I have a low regard for your opinions on Russia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:17, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

== Notes about updating essay ==

=== Russia's GNP overtime in recent years ===

[[File:Russian GNP 1991 to 2023.jpg|thumbnail|center|1200px|Russian GNP 1991 to August 2023.
 
 
Estimates of Russian GNP 1991 to August 2023 measured in US [[fiat dollars]]; exchange rates between the dollar and the ruble ended in March 2022 when the ruble became a gold-backed currency.
 
 
Recently, the Russian ruble has seen a big decline:
 
 
*[https://archive.md/xJuj3#selection-4295.8-4295.22 Russia’s War-Torn Economy Hits Its Speed Limit: Economists see this week’s currency gyrations not as the beginning of a financial crisis but rather as a symptom of the Kremlin’s sclerotic economic prospects], ''Wall Street Journal'', August 2023
 
 
*[https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-minister-now-us-truck-driver-salary-same-ruble-crashed-2023-8 The Russian ruble hit a 16-month low this week and is one of the worst performing currencies in 2023], August, 2023
 
 
*[https://www.barrons.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-081523/card/russia-cranks-interest-rates-to-12-in-emergency-move-supporting-ruble-qZIrzuCgo6bOG4LVggRQ Russia Cranks Interest Rates to 12% in Emergency Move Supporting Ruble], Barron's, August 2023
 
 
*[https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/russia-economy-crash-ruble-imports-account-finance-putin-moscow-ukraine-2023-7 5 stats show how Russia's economy is declining], Business Insider, 2023]]
{{Clear}}

Update essay if Russia's GNP falls significantly or flatlines for a significant amount of time. Alternatively, look at some of the [https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/020215/top-ten-us-economic-indicators.asp leading economic indicators] such as inflation, value of ruble, etc. If the very unexpected happens, change the title of the article to: <nowiki>[[Essay: Why I am bullish on Russia's future]]</nowiki>. For example, Japan radically changed its culture, religious revival, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:57, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
:Oh, but if it grows you're going to ignore it. Got it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 18:08, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
[[File:Kabul 2021.jpg|right|350px|thumb|The author of this Essay thinks Ukraine will be another "frozen conflict". A month ago he was saying Ukraine is winning. He hasn't figured out yet Ukraine lost in March 2022.]]
Don't you understand a thing about [[Conservapedia:Editing etiquette]]? Yes, you can go back and fix typos and grammar in your original post ''after'' an editor responds; no, you are not supposed to ''change the context'' of your post after another editor responds. That is call [[bad faith editing]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:06, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

=== Update: Look at reviewing the article in about 6-12 months (So February of 2024 or August of 2024) ===

Update: Look at reviewing the article in about 6-12 months. See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9WPzrCL2eo RUSSIAN Economy Starts to Collapse as Current Account Falls 85% & Oil & Gas Revenues Crash in 2023]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:57, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

=== Since defense spending is a part of GDP, look at Russia's GDP after this war turns into a frozen conflict, etc. ===

Since defense spending is a part of GDP, as a result of this, look at Russia's GDP a few years after this war turns into a frozen conflict, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:19, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:Wishful thinking. [[D.C.]] [[deep state]] [[propaganda]]. "frozen conflict" is terminology and a phrase used by the US State Dept and & Pentagon to bow out so they don't get blamed. The Russian Federation has other ideas. It's going to be a "frozen conflict" like the people of [[Saigon]] and [[Kabul]] experienced, not like Korea. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 23:41, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:They're not going to say, "We lost", or "we got our butt kicked" like in Vietnam or Afghanistan; they going to say, "so long and adios, good luck" to Zelensky and call it a "frozen conflict". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:06, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:[https://youtu.be/guPXmdyCCg0 John Mearsheimer: Russia cannot be pushed back]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:09, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
::The title is "Since defense spending is a part of GDP, look at Russia's GDP after this war turns into a frozen conflict, <big>'''etc.'''</big>

::The "etc." indicates there are other possibilities.

::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:22, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:::The problem you have is, you're measuring it all in US dollars, and that is about to change, big time.

:::You will have to re-calibrate it all in few years from a new base. So you're not building anything you or anybody else can hang their hat on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:29, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

::::Think about this: Russia got kicked out of the SWIFT international banking network system, so the numbers you use are corrupted. And by the IMF's own calculations, Russia's GDP continues to grow despite sanctions. Additionally, the West seized $300 billion (more than 3 times [[Ukraine aid]]) in Russia's foreign reserves held abroad, and Russia is unphased. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:47, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
Most of the economic damage to Russia from the war and sanctions will be long-term economic damage (Brain drain, reduction of labor force such as soldiers killed or badly injured, etc, etc, etc.).

Recently, the historian Stephen Kotkin, Research Fellow Michael S. Bernstam, and Sergei Guriev, provost and professor of economics at the Institut d'études politiques de Paris had a discussion related to the sanctions on Russia and the damage caused by the war in Ukraine to Russia which is given below.

Here is that discussion: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x-qmMgVN8c Sanctions and Russia: Effects, Lessons, and the Future | A History Lab Discussion w/ Stephen Kotkin], August 25, 2023 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:55, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:::::When Russia had $300 billion in reserves in foreign banks, that was hard cold cash. When Congress voted $165 billion in Ukraine aid out of thin air, how was that paid for? On a printing press, which you pay for now in higher prices everytime you go to the grocery store. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:58, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Now that [[the West]] basically stole $300 billion from Russia, no one, not billionaire oligarchs nor national governments, want to hold their cash or reserves in US dollars in one of the 12,000 international banks that are members of the SWIFT banking network, because [[psychotic]]s like [[John McCain]], [[Barack Obama]], [[Joe Biden]] or the [[EU]] leadership can [[blackmail]] you or seize your money in a moment's notice (like they did [[Canadian truckers]]). The West didn't only shoot itself in the foot, it slit its own throat.

:::::Now, the question is, was this just stupidity, or is part of the [[Great Reset]]/[[Build Back Better]]/[[Green New Deal]] agenda, or both? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 01:07, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
Off topic. The essay is about Russia's future. If you want to comment on the USA, then comment on the talk page of my essay <nowiki>[[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>. Alternatively, and preferably, write an essay entitled [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on the USA's future]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:12, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:Whatsamatta, you can't read? I have as much faith that you took away from Prof. Kotkin about as much understanding as you do from Prof. Mearsheimer or Vladimir Pozner. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 01:18, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
::You fell into an absolute rage when I said that your depth of knowledge on international relations was not as extensive as Prof. Mearsheimer (who has been an international relations scholar for a very long time). I didn't mean offense by it as I believe I was just stating the obvious.

::Also, you think that you can somehow lift yourself by denigrating someone else. The world doesn't work that way. It's totally irrational thinking. And it doesn't bother me one bit as I have been in professions that require a very thick skin. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:26, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::I am definitely not impressed with your views about the USA, China, or Russia. Create the essay [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on the USA's future]] and make your best case as that would be the respectable thing to do. Respect is earned. It is not an entitlement. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:34, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

==Black Mountain Analysis==
You might find this interesting (but don't read just this excerpt, read the entire piece). [https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/geopolitics-update-i]
{{quotebox-float|To stop the Russians from advancing, Ukraine will literally need to stop the Russians with their bodies. And they will need millions of bodies to prolong the war for another year. Millions of dead. A price the West is ready to pay in order to to kill as many Russians (and Ukrainians), and in the process to destroy as much infrastructure and industry as possible.

Well, in fact, the West will pursue this war crime/crime against humanity as far as possible. And this is the point where I try to calm people down. Even though I’m not fully convinced yet, I can’t imagine that the Ukrainian (Russian!) people will follow. They will consider the epically defeated Ukrainian offensive, with tens of thousands of dead people, and the parallel Russian offensive at Kupyansk, with its implications for the immediate future. They will think of the hundreds of thousands of overall dead (400,000) with the corresponding funerals all over the country, and the people will eventually begin to resist. How? That remains to be seen, but it certainly (hopefully?) will avoid the conscription of millions, and the consequent death.

Well, the uprising of either the people or some elements within the military should mark the third and last phase of the Ukrainian collapse.

As I mentioned many times, the West is winning big in this dimension. The West has achieved the goal to kill as many Russians (Ukrainians and Russians) as possible up to this point. If the war ends tomorrow, the West will be satisfied in that respect. If it ends after additional hundreds of thousands or even millions die, even better. The geopolitical and eventually the economic damage to Russia will be significant. Especially in the struggle for Russia to establish itself as a major player in the emerging world order.

Yes, Russia managed the transition and triggered it, but it certainly also wants to be one of the leaders in economic terms. This could be hindered if most resources are bogged down within Russia for reconstruction. Hundreds of thousands of dead and permanently disabled men are also missing from the workforce. Hundreds of thousands of children will never be born because of the dearth of healthy males (fathers) in the resulting population.}}
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 18:35, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:You should probably let these guys know you annihilated the entire JFO ([https://www.conservapedia.com/images/thumb/4/42/Map-on-April-first.jpg/450px-Map-on-April-first.jpg with one weird trick!]) back in March / April 2022 so they can add another 120k to the total. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:27, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

::[https://www.conservapedia.com/File:A_Skeptic%27s_Best_Guess_On_Final_Map_(Revised).PNG It's coming to that], as soon as the 20,000 remaining NATO forces in [[Bradley Square]] are wiped out, with a pincer movement from the north along the Kupiansk front.

::Anyways, haven't you heard? WWII Big Arrow offensives are obsolete. We've progressed back to WWI-type trench warfare.
:::What's interesting is, cheap drones now can kill a single infantry man. That, coupled with facial recognition, has revolutionized warfare. Massed formations of infantry or armor are a thing of the past (GPS satellite technology did that, not to mention land mines). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:34, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:::IMO, we need robot soldiers who can fire an AK-47, robot tanks, and unmanned aerial fighters and bombers. It's the only humane thing to do. The US can import all its robots from [[China]], since we don't have the factories or educated workforce to work in them. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:52, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

::::ConwayIII, "Analyzing data compiled by the Uppsala Conflict Data Program (UCDP) on conflict termination since 1946, 26 percent of interstate wars like Ukraine end in less than 30 days and another 25 percent end in less than a year. Wars that end within a month last on average eight days, and 44 percent end in a ceasefire or peace agreement. Of wars that last over a month but less than a year, only 24 percent end in a ceasefire. When interstate wars last longer than a year, they extend to over a decade on average, resulting in sporadic clashes."[https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-does-it-end-what-past-wars-tell-us-about-how-save-ukraine#:~:text=Wars%20that%20end%20within%20a,average%2C%20resulting%20in%20sporadic%20clashes.]

::::Putin should have never launched his special operation in February 2022. It started a chain of events that are very tragic. See also: <nowiki>[[Essay: How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes|How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes]]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:41, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:::::That's interesting data if either side ever declares war; Russia has a [[Special military operation]] and Ukraine only has martial law (which makes conscription illegal case the [[Rada]] hasn't declared war). We'll remember that information should war ever break out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:45, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

== Next update for this essay: The year 2029 ==

Update the essay in 2029 as Russia's GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP) ranking in the world has been projected to drop in 2028 by an analyst or analysts.[https://www.russiamatters.org/blog/russia-worlds-5th-largest-economy-gdp-ppp#:~:text=The%20IMF%20predicts%20that%20Russia's,for%20comparisons%20of%20countries'%20GDP.]

If it drops, then consider using this as a partial explanation: [https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/09/08/russias-out-of-control-military-spending-en Russia’s out-of-control military spending]. With spending on the war in Ukraine potentially accounting for 45% of Russia’s budget by the end of the year, what are the implications for the rest of the economy?

In other words, guns vs. butter and economics. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:50, September 10, 2023 (EDT)

==Oleg Deripaska==
[[File:Doggie Doo Alert.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Doggie doo-doo Alert! [https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387625-mueller-may-have-a-conflict-and-it-leads-directly-to-a-russian-oligarch/] ]]
[[Oleg Deripaska]] is an FBI informant for [[Robert Mueller]] and <s>[[Peter Strzok]]</s> [[Andrew McCabe]].

Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about, spewing neo-Nazi and globalist propaganda, and doing CP and the [[conservative movement]] more harm than good.

[https://youtu.be/48Kk7kobMQY "Gimme back my pen"]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 16:16, November 25, 2023 (EST)

*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Christopher_Steele_and_Bruce_Ohr]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Trump-Russia]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Collusion]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Robert_Mueller]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Andrew_McCabe]]

It was [[Donald Trump]] who [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-imposes-major-sanctions-russian-oligarchs-officials-companies-n863271 added Deripaska to the Russia sanctions list.]

The rot in this Essay sounds like it came straight out of [[Hillary Clinton]]'s mouth. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 16:44, November 25, 2023 (EST)

So, are you going to correct the globalist neo-Nazi Clintonista information you inserted yesterday from your "informational cocoon"? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 11:28, November 27, 2023 (EST)

{{quotebox-float|"Concurrent with Ohr, Steele and Deripaska's activities to set up [Carter] Page's Russia visit, [[Comey]] and [[Loretta Lynch|Lynch]] vilely plotted to turn the patriotic Page from a hero into a Russian agent. They convened a meeting with Andrew McCabe, and the [[Obama administration]]'s highest-ranking national-security officials [[Susan Rice]], [[John Brennan]], and [[James Clapper]] to discuss how Page may be "compromised" by the Russians. Their objective was to use Page to illegally spy on Trump's campaign through a [[FISA]] warrant, and to bolster Steele's dossier allegations against Page."}}
::''Source:'' https://www.justice.gov/media/1145736/dl?inline=

Oh, so it wasn't just the Hillary Clinton campaign that manufactured the bogus [[Trump-Russia]] smear, it was the FBI, CIA, [[DNI]] and Obama National Security Advisor, along with Deripaska's help, involved. Yet here you are denying historical facts and reiterating the fundamental lies that destroyed Donald Trump's presidency.

See also: [[Essay: Does ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity define conservativism?]] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 17:17, November 27, 2023 (EST)

==Pure narcissism stated in the title==
"Why I'm not bullish". Who's interested in your [[narcissistic]] attitudes and views? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']] 13:48, February 25, 2024 (EST)

Dittos. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:04, October 1, 2024 (EDT)

Just ask Andy to ''speedy'' this [[crap]] and be done with it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:08, October 1, 2024 (EDT)

==How old are you?==
[[User:Conservative]]: Are you the last person on the [[planet]] to know, figure out, or be informed that [[war]] & [[inflation]] go hand-in-hand? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 14:43, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Does war and inflation always go hand and hand? Did the USA and Britain keep inflation rates low in WWII through two methods? See: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K1LZFUCmTOM Why Putin is in an economic bind], video and The Treasury asked the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low so the government could finance its debt more cheaply. See: [https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/feds-role-during-wwii#:~:text=To%20keep%20the%20costs%20of,of%202%20to%204%20percent. The Federal Reserve's Role During WWII].

::Does Russia have very high inflation and is it at risk of stagflation:

::'''Russia's inflation problem:'''

::*[https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/business/money-report/russian-central-bank-surprises-markets-by-holding-rates-at-21-despite-sky-high-inflation/4059556/ Russian central bank surprises markets by holding rates at 21% despite sky-high inflation], 10 Philadephia NBC News, December 20, 2024

::*[https://en.thebell.io/russias-rising-stagflation-threat/ Russia’s rising stagflation threat], The Bell, 2024 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:14, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::Yep. [[War]] & [[inflation]] always go hand-in-hand. [https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/artifact/hr-5990-act-further-national-defense-and-security-checking-inflationary-tendencies H.R. 5990, An Act to further the national defense and security by checking . . . inflationary tendencies (Emergency Price Control Act), January 27, 1942] See also [[Office of Price Administration]].

:::You're a dunce. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:31, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::::Tendencies is not high inflation.

::::"During World War II, the United States experienced relatively low inflation compared to other wartime periods due to strict government price controls implemented by the Office of Price Administration (OPA), which included rationing systems to manage consumer demand and limit access to scarce goods, effectively keeping inflation in check throughout the war."[https://www.google.com/search?q=low+inflation+wwii&oq=low+inflation+wwii&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQLhhA0gEIODk5OGowajGoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]

::::But if you want to create your own alternative reality about this matter, then have it. But I am not going to argue with you.

::::And after all is said and done, Russia has sky-high inflation and faces increasing risk of stagflation. Deny this and lose all credibility. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:41, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Oh, so now you are an advocate of [[big government]] solutions to [[inflation]], in addition to pitching [[globalism]] & [[neoconservativism]]. Okay. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:42, December 26, 2024 (EST)
Don't think I didn't notice that you are backing away from your position that wars always causes inflation. Because I did notice. But maybe there is hair splitting going on. "Relatively low inflation compared to other war periods" and high inflation (which Russia has) are very different things. And I see that you still struggle with the concept that there is no free lunch in economics and there are always going to be tradeoffs.

And if Trump negotiates a great deal with Putin concerning the war in Ukraine, Putin staring down the barrel of high-inflation leading to stagflation will be a key factor. And even then, Putin might not be able to dodge the stagflation bullet. Russia may face a difficult post war economy due to the economic pain of transitioning a war time economy to a more civilian economy. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:52, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:This essay should be retitled: '''[[Essay: I am a narcissistic racist and proponent of globalism, neoconservativism, and big government]]'''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:02, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Putin is practicing military Keynesianism and some generous policies to the civilian sector to boost his GNP and mollify the public. The resulting sky-high inflation is popping the rivets out of the SS Russia ship. If Russia keeps taking on water, stagflation will cause its economy to heavily list in the water. Meanwhile, the SS Trump and SS USA ships will be moving forward full-speed ahead! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:13, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::Add this to the '''[[Trump Effect]]:''' '''[https://citizenwatchreport.com/we-are-about-to-fall-off-a-cliff/ WE ARE ABOUT TO FALL OFF A CLIFF].''' Of course, [[inflation]] could delay and prolong the misery for a while. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:16, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::::I still agree with User: Karajou who wrote about you: "You have proven yourself to be no damn good in foreign affairs...".

::::Feel free to take me up on my challenge at: [https://sites.google.com/view/my-challenge-to-robsmith/home My challenge to RobSmith about Russia given on August 11, 2024]. And feel free to create counter essays to my essays. For example, write an essay at [[Essay: Why it makes sense to be bullish about Russia's future]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:41, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Well, at least Karajou only [[troll]]ed the Sysop discussion list with [[Three Stooges]] reruns. As to your challenges:
{{Cquote|Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.|||Proverbs 14:7}}
::::: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:49, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::Let me add this: What sort of contorted logic and reasoning in your twisted mind leads you think or believe me, or anyone, is "bullish" on Russia or anything? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:53, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::Still waiting for an answer to this question. Note time stamp. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 02:27, December 27, 2024 (EST)

You are failing to give me compelling reasons to be bullish on Russia and not to be bearish about the future of Russia.

I still agree with the international relations scholar [[John Mearsheimer]] about the future of Russia. "Russia is a declining power, and it will only get weaker with time." - John Mearsheimer

'''Reasons to be bullish on India and the USA:'''

"There are several reasons to be bullish on India, including its economic resilience, growing consumer class, and improving business environment. India's economy is one of the fastest growing in the world, with a GDP growth of 7.2% in FY23 and 6.5% estimated for FY24. India's GDP growth has surpassed China's in recent years and is expected to continue doing so."[https://www.google.com/search?q=bullish+on+india&oq=bullish+on+india&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORiABDIHCAEQABiABDIICAIQABgWGB4yCAgDEAAYFhgeMggIBBAAGBYYHjIICAUQABgWGB4yCAgGEAAYFhgeMggIBxAAGBYYHjIICAgQABgWGB4yBggJEC4YQNIBCDQzODNqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]

As of late 2023, the US stock market represents approximately 59% of the global stock market value, making it the largest stock market in the world by a significant margin.[https://archive.is/1SquO][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_stock_market_capitalization]

*[https://finance.yahoo.com/news/investors-allocation-to-us-stocks-hits-record-high-amid-super-bullish-sentiment-bofa-survey-164349535.htmlbInvestors' Allocation to US stocks hits record high amid 'super-bullish sentiment': BofA survey].

*[https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2024/07/why-i-remain-bullish-on-the-united-states-of-america-2/ Why I Remain Bullish on the United States of America].

I rest my case. USA! USA! USA! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:03, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:You are full of caca. When did I ever suggest to you to be "bullish", as you misuse the term, on Russian? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 17:11, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Again, I agree with User: Karajou about you: "You have proven yourself to be no damn good in foreign affairs...".

::What you suggest or don't suggest is not important to me. I have a wealth of information about world affairs at my finger tips and I also have access to a wealth of people that are more competent than you when it comes to world affairs.

::The [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|USA will be the leading power for the foreseeable future]] and if you think otherwise, feel free to write a counter essay at [[Essay: The United States will NOT be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:20, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::BTW, I responded to your challenge years ago with '''[[Essay: Are ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity conservative values?]]''', and keeping it updated would be a full-time job. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 18:23, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::And no, a Sysop who posts [[Three Stooges]] videos in what is supposed to be an email list on policy discussion & direction can't hardly be taken seriously. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 18:26, December 26, 2024 (EST)

Karajou has been around the world and in terms of human relations he has been married to his wife for many years. In addition, he has never divorced. As such, I have far, far more regard for Karajou opinions on international relations and human relations than your inane opinions on these matters. The utter failure of your so-called [[Team CP]] (You are the only member) is one of many pieces of evidence that you do not understand interpersonal relations. The [[Conservapedia:CP Civility Association|CP Civility Association]] has 9 members. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:03, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:So the [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Three_Stooges&diff=757178&oldid=756626 Two Stooges are in agreement.] Who you gonna get to stand in for Curly, Shemp?
::Addendum: Okay, I found the third stooge to go along with Karajou and Ken - [[Jake Sullivan]]. [https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-12-04/munitions-weapons-stockpiles-ukraine-china-russia-16061738.html All three want to start World War III without any weapons.] Brilliant! [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:52, December 27, 2024 (EST)
:I picture Karajou more as the brains of the operation like Mo; and [[User:Conservative]] just a wannabee, like Larry. But according to Karajou, this is the stuff for priority discussion on the Sysop email list, so just keep quoting that brainiac. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 21:19, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:Wow! Imagine that! One of [[Conservapedia]]'s resident experts on [[foreign affairs]] apparently [[plagiarized]] the [[Three Stooges]] article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 21:28, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::This essay gives 22 reasons to be bearish about about Russia's future. Give me 22 reasons why I should be bullish about Russia's future. Until you take me up on my challenge (see: <nowiki>[https://sites.google.com/view/my-challenge-to-robsmith/home My challenge to RobSmith about Russia given on August 11, 2024]</nowiki>) or write a compelling counter essay, there is no reason to take your whining and bellyaching seriously. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:05, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:::Speaking of off-topic subjects, when are you going to become obedient to [[God]], now at the age of 60, to get married, cleave to a wife, and be fruitful and multiply? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:12, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:::::It's obvious that you don't know your Bible as the Apostle Paul, one of Christianity's greatest advocates and evangelists wasn't married (1 Corinthians 7: 8). Furthermore, the Apostle Paul said it was better for the Christian not to marry if one has that gift from God (1 Corinthians 7: 7). {{Unsigned|User:Conservative}}
::::::Okay, so you were never attracted to a woman, and vice versa. Paul said marriage is honorable, and the bed undefiled. It's not a sin. But what goes on in [[gay bathhouses]] is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 01:32, December 27, 2024 (EST)
::::I will also point out that before one understands international relations, one has to understand interpersonal relations and your failure with the so-called [[Team CP]] (which only has you as a member) and other failures related to interpersonal relations shows you lack an understanding of this topic. In short, first socks, then shoes. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:59, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:::::What does that have to do with anything? I thought we were discussing that geopolitical analyst & [[Three Stooges]] biographer's marriage? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:43, December 26, 2024 (EST)
[[Image:2200-club-san-diego.jpg‎|alt=Gay bathhouses|thumbnail|295px|right|]]
::::People are literally voting with their feet (See: <nowiki>[[Essay: Top 12 reasons why people are flocking to the USA and leaving the corrupt, authoritarian countries of China and Russia]]</nowiki> and [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-millionaire-migration-in-2024/ Mapped: Millionaire Migration in 2024 from Russia and other countries. Millionaires are moving to the USA]. Use some common sense and stop engaging in irrational denialism.

::::Just admit that you picked the wrong countries to fall in love with (Namely, Russia and China) and that Russia's/China's mass emigration from their respective countries is a clear and compelling sign of this as is millionaires and others flocking to the USA. Your foolish pride in this matter is comical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:26, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Just admit that you picked the wrong bathhouses to fall in love with (Namely [[gay bathhouses]]). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 01:26, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:'''Update:''' [[Democracy]] in [[Ukraine]]. [https://t.me/IntelRepublic/44990 Your tax dollars at work.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:51, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:'''Question:''' Why is [[User:Conservative]] [[gossiping]] about [[User:Karajou]]'s [[marriage]], which is totally irrelevant to this discussion? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 23:05, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:Speaking of [[gossip]], did you see your buddy Ace/Conway [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia:What_is_going_on_at_CP%3F updated WIGO CP]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 23:10, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::"When citizens are fleeing a country, it often indicates a severe crisis like war, persecution, or economic collapse, leading to a range of negative impacts including: population decline, brain drain, economic instability, social unrest, and a strained capacity for essential services as the most skilled and productive individuals leave, leaving behind a vulnerable population struggling to maintain basic needs; this can further exacerbate the crisis and make it harder for the country to recover."[https://www.google.com/sea:rch?q=what+happens+to+countries+where+there+citizens+are+fleeing&sca_esv=9f43d3a7dae88e4e&sxsrf=ADLYWIKnmBLgqswjSoRb4gyhGVHFIVQccQ%3A1735279677472&ei=PURuZ4S_HKSJptQPjuSDwAc&ved=0ahUKEwjE0YvGpMeKAxWkhIkEHQ7yAHgQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=what+happens+to+countries+where+there+citizens+are+fleeing&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiOndoYXQgaGFwcGVucyB0byBjb3VudHJpZXMgd2hlcmUgdGhlcmUgY2l0aXplbnMgYXJlIGZsZWVpbmcyBxAhGKABGAoyBxAhGKABGAoyBxAhGKABGAoyBRAhGJ8FSM9qUABY9mZwA3gBkAEAmAGqAaABij-qAQQwLjYxuAEDyAEA-AEBmAJAoAK7QMICBBAjGCfCAgsQABiABBiRAhiKBcICERAuGIAEGLEDGNEDGIMBGMcBwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBjRAxjHAcICChAAGIAEGEMYigXCAg4QABiABBixAxiDARiKBcICBRAAGIAEwgIOEC4YgAQYsQMY0QMYxwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICDRAAGIAEGJECGIoFGArCAggQABiABBixA8ICBBAAGAPCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgIHEAAYgAQYCsICCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFwgIGEAAYFhgewgIFECEYoAHCAgUQIRirAsICCBAAGKIEGIkFmAMAkgcEMy42MaAHkugD&sclient=gws-wiz-serp] See: <nowiki>[https://decline-of-russia.blogspot.com/2024/11/russias-economy-is-that-of-shrinking.html Russia's brain drain] and [https://decline-of-russia.blogspot.com/2024/11/russias-demographic-crisis.html Russia's demographic crisis]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:11, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:::::::Why do you hate Russia so much? Because they passed anti-[[LGBT]] laws? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 02:21, December 27, 2024 (EST)
Do I hate Russia? Onus probandi actori incumbit! This is Latin for "He who asserts must prove".

By the way, I learned the Russian word for "hello" this Tuesday from a hairdresser who is one of the 20 to 30 million people compromising the Russian diaspora. So many people have fled Russia! I am looking forward to using my growing Russian vocabulary when I visit St. Petersburg, Moscow and the Golden Ring towns of Russia (historic towns east and west of Moscow with many architectural masterpieces). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:03, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:You like talking to yourself? I thought we were [[gossiping]] about [[User:Karajou]]'s marriage, but you can't seem to focus. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:51, December 27, 2024 (EST)

[[User:Conservative]]: As to your question, [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/268#Ok.2C_Mr._Analyst "Was a Russian IP address to a gay dating app found to be associated with the Kremlin?"], according to [[Conservapedia]], a [[White House]] [[Chief-of-Staff]] was arrested in a pay toilet 2 blocks from the [[White House]] with another man and charged with "disorderly conduct":
{{Cquote|One month before the election, White House Chief of Staff [[Walter Jenkins]] was arrested in a pay toilet of the men's room of the YMCA, two blocks from the White House. It was not the first time Jenkins had been arrested on the same charge. The police had apprehended him in the same washroom in January 1959 in a similar homosexual episode.}}
Given the precedent set by [[American]] global leadership and [[democracy]], there's nothing unusual about the alleged claims you make (particularly given ''[[The Guardian]]'s'' association with [[British intelligence]] services). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:19, January 7, 2025 (EST)

==Ever Predicted, Never Happening: Russia's Collapse==
Badmouthing Russia's economy has a certain tradition:

Russia's Collapse - Foreign Affairs, Sep 1, 1999

Russia Is Finished - The Atlantic, May 2001

The Russian Economic Crisis - CFR, Apr 2010

Since the start of the Special Military operation in Ukraine many outlets joined the above doomsayers of the foreign policy blob.

Since then most reports about Russia's economy predicted a collapse or at least severe difficulties. Here are some from just the previous six months:

Russia's economy is signaling a fate worse than recession - Business Insider, Sep 26 2024

Humiliation for Putin as Russia could plunge into 'economic collapse' to plug £30bn debt - Express, Oct 7 2024

Putin's Economy Approaches 'Burnout Point' - Newsweek, Oct 8 2024

Russia’s economy is overheating but Putin cannot change course - Atlantic Council, Oct 31, 2024

Russia’s War Economy Is Hitting Its Limits - Foreign Policy, Nov 14 2024

Russia’s economy is doomed - New Statesman, Nov 28 2024

Russian rouble collapse exposes deep problems in the country’s economy - The Conservation, Dec 3 2024

The Russian Economy Remains Putin’s Greatest Weakness - Foreign Affairs, Dec 9, 2024

Russia’s war economy spirals out of control as 2025 brings looming stagnation - NZZ, Jan 7 2025

Is 2025 the year that Russia’s economy finally freezes up under sanctions? - Atlantic Council, Jan 8 2025

Russia’s war economy is a house of cards (archived) - Financial Times, Jan 13 2025

Putin's war economy is running on fumes as inflation and shortages surge - Kyiv Independent, Jan 15 2025

Don’t Blink Now, Trump. Russia’s Economy Is Cracking. - Bloomberg, Feb 10 2025

Russia’s economy is stagnating – but that won’t force it to end the war - The Conservation, Mar 10 2025

The Russian economy is on the brink of collapse and Putin knows it - Independent, Mar 13 2025

Russia’s economy would struggle to cope with peace - Reuters, Mar 17 2025

Meanwhile the Russian economy is doing well. Its economy is growing faster than most other.

Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF - BBC, Apr 16 2024

IMF raises forecast for growth in Russia's GDP by 0.1 pp in 2025 - Interfax, Jan 17 2025

The lesson from this? Much of what one reads in mainstream media about Russia (and other so called enemies) is garbage. [https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/03/ever-predicted-never-happening-russias-collapse.html]
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:I warned against [[spamming]] too much of making [[Mearsheimer]] a credible and authoritive expert into dozens and dozens of [[Conservapedia]] mainspace and talk pages for several years. Now Mearsheimer says [[President Trump]] is [[delusion]]al and his so-called "[[peace]]" efforts are doomed to fail. So here we created a problem for ourselves which now has be dealt with for the remainder of Trump's term.

:And to argue against Mearsheimer is to place oneself into the [[warmonger]] and advocate of [[perpetual war]] camp.

:As to the guns and butter argument, I can't remember how many decades ago I last ate butter. Butter was knocked of the market in favor of oleamargarine during the [[Vietnam war]], which old timers then explained it was the ongoing legacy of [[World War II]] & the [[Korean war]]. In another 40, 50, or 80 years, maybe the predominantly rural & agrarian Ruassian Federation may have to convert to oleomargarine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:55, May 11, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:Gerashchenko 2.PNG|right|300px|thumb|Deputy Ukrainian Interior Minister and Advisor to President Zelensky Anton Gerashchenko, curator of the Myrotvorets website.[https://www.youtube.com/c/AntonGerashchenko/videos]]]
I finally had the opportunity to read this "[https://www.newsweek.com/russians-resort-stealing-butter-amid-shortages-1976575 ButterGate]" article which was spammed into at least [https://www.conservapedia.com/File:Butter.jpg 17 Conservapedia pages]. The ''[[Newsweek]]'' report was built around [https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1851193544410583081 a single instance of 2 shoplifters who were apprehended], armed with knives. The information was first posted to [[X]] by [[Anton Gerashchenko]], the notorious [[neo-nazi]] webmaster who maintains [[Myrotvorets]], better known as the [[Ukrainian kill list]]. [[Sen Rand Paul]] & [[DNI Tulsi Gabbard]] are included in the list.

Next time you hear Conservapedia is [[Nazi]] [[propaganda]], don't laugh. A senior Admin made it so. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 06:33, May 11, 2025 (EDT)

[[Conservapedia]] needs stronger anti-[[spamming]] enforcement. When an editor adds content, it should be in only one place - not 17 - and time given for other editors to vet the content. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:18, May 11, 2025 (EDT)

{{clear}}
[[File:Dollar hits 2 year low against rubble.PNG|center|600px|thumb|From 11 to 78. What is that? A 700% increase?]]
Looks like [[User:Conservative]] is about 0-6 in just the past 48 hrs. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:05, May 31, 2025 (EDT)

I could be adding meaningful content right now, but can't because of all the [[liberal claptrap]] [[User:Conservative]] has [[spammed]] into [[Conservapedia]] over the past 3 years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:06, May 31, 2025 (EDT)

==[[Category:User:Conservative proven wrong]] [https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Conservative_proven_wrong AGAIN]==
*[[Richard Sakwa]]: [[Russophobia]] Is Leading Us Toward War [[Glenn Diesen]] [https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/richard-sakwa-russophobia-is-leading].
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Do straight normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]] 19:51, July 13, 2026 (EDT)
*'''March 9, 2023''': ''[[Reuters]]'': [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-can-fight-ukraine-two-more-years-current-intensity-lithuania-says-2023-03-09/ Russia can fight in Ukraine for two more years at current intensity]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Do heterosexual normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]] 16:04, September 30, 2026 (EDT)

== Interesting Points ==

Just wanted to say hello, Conservative, and compliment your [https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_Why_I_am_not_bullish_on_Russia%27s_future well thought out points about the fact that Russia is not conservative], seemingly obvious given its associations with Communist dictatorships like China and North Korea and its high degree of state ownership of the economy. I especially liked your point that Russian church attendance is abysmally low in spite of the common Russian mantra that the country is Christian. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 19:00, September 30, 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Essay: Why I am a narcissist and not bullish on Russia's future

2026-09-30T23:00:00Z

JZambrano: /* Interesting Points */ new section

[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/18/ukraine-and-the-west-are-facing-a-devastating-defeat/ Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 14:49, July 22, 2023 (EDT)
:I don't believe that Ukraine will win the war and expel Russia from Ukraine. I also believe that Russia will continue to wreck Ukraine.

:But I also believe that any "victory" by Russia as far as the war in Ukraine will be a [[pyrrhic victory]] - especially given Russia's likely upcoming demographic winter which this war has worsened. (See:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R--yq_RfvMY Russia Facing Population Disaster - Demographic Crisis, Employee Shortages & Economic Crisis] and [https://archive.md/shYl8#selection-335.0-335.16 Millennials and Gen Z are blaming Putin for intensifying Russia’s baby shortfall: ‘It’s pretty bad for us’], Fortune magazine, December 3, 2022 and [https://healthpolicy-watch.news/russia-population-drop/ Dramatic Population Drop in Russia, as War, COVID and Emigration Exacerbate Declining Births], 6/03/2023).

:And I am still not bullish on Russia's future nor am I bullish on China's future (See: <nowiki>[[Essay:Skepticism about China remaining a global power]]</nowiki>). And although I believe that there may be an economic depression in the 2030s in the USA (which will likely cause a global recession given the size of the USA's economy), I am still bullish on America's future relative to other countries futures (see: <nowiki>[[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>).

:But by all means, feel free to create this essay: <nowiki>[[Essay: Why I am bullish on Russia's future]]</nowiki>. I have doubts that you will create such an essay, but you may surprise me. But please don't expect me to read your essay should you create such an essay as I have a low regard for your opinions on Russia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:17, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

== Notes about updating essay ==

=== Russia's GNP overtime in recent years ===

[[File:Russian GNP 1991 to 2023.jpg|thumbnail|center|1200px|Russian GNP 1991 to August 2023.
 
 
Estimates of Russian GNP 1991 to August 2023 measured in US [[fiat dollars]]; exchange rates between the dollar and the ruble ended in March 2022 when the ruble became a gold-backed currency.
 
 
Recently, the Russian ruble has seen a big decline:
 
 
*[https://archive.md/xJuj3#selection-4295.8-4295.22 Russia’s War-Torn Economy Hits Its Speed Limit: Economists see this week’s currency gyrations not as the beginning of a financial crisis but rather as a symptom of the Kremlin’s sclerotic economic prospects], ''Wall Street Journal'', August 2023
 
 
*[https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-minister-now-us-truck-driver-salary-same-ruble-crashed-2023-8 The Russian ruble hit a 16-month low this week and is one of the worst performing currencies in 2023], August, 2023
 
 
*[https://www.barrons.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-081523/card/russia-cranks-interest-rates-to-12-in-emergency-move-supporting-ruble-qZIrzuCgo6bOG4LVggRQ Russia Cranks Interest Rates to 12% in Emergency Move Supporting Ruble], Barron's, August 2023
 
 
*[https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/russia-economy-crash-ruble-imports-account-finance-putin-moscow-ukraine-2023-7 5 stats show how Russia's economy is declining], Business Insider, 2023]]
{{Clear}}

Update essay if Russia's GNP falls significantly or flatlines for a significant amount of time. Alternatively, look at some of the [https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/020215/top-ten-us-economic-indicators.asp leading economic indicators] such as inflation, value of ruble, etc. If the very unexpected happens, change the title of the article to: <nowiki>[[Essay: Why I am bullish on Russia's future]]</nowiki>. For example, Japan radically changed its culture, religious revival, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:57, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
:Oh, but if it grows you're going to ignore it. Got it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 18:08, August 31, 2023 (EDT)
[[File:Kabul 2021.jpg|right|350px|thumb|The author of this Essay thinks Ukraine will be another "frozen conflict". A month ago he was saying Ukraine is winning. He hasn't figured out yet Ukraine lost in March 2022.]]
Don't you understand a thing about [[Conservapedia:Editing etiquette]]? Yes, you can go back and fix typos and grammar in your original post ''after'' an editor responds; no, you are not supposed to ''change the context'' of your post after another editor responds. That is call [[bad faith editing]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:06, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

=== Update: Look at reviewing the article in about 6-12 months (So February of 2024 or August of 2024) ===

Update: Look at reviewing the article in about 6-12 months. See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9WPzrCL2eo RUSSIAN Economy Starts to Collapse as Current Account Falls 85% & Oil & Gas Revenues Crash in 2023]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:57, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

=== Since defense spending is a part of GDP, look at Russia's GDP after this war turns into a frozen conflict, etc. ===

Since defense spending is a part of GDP, as a result of this, look at Russia's GDP a few years after this war turns into a frozen conflict, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:19, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:Wishful thinking. [[D.C.]] [[deep state]] [[propaganda]]. "frozen conflict" is terminology and a phrase used by the US State Dept and & Pentagon to bow out so they don't get blamed. The Russian Federation has other ideas. It's going to be a "frozen conflict" like the people of [[Saigon]] and [[Kabul]] experienced, not like Korea. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 23:41, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:They're not going to say, "We lost", or "we got our butt kicked" like in Vietnam or Afghanistan; they going to say, "so long and adios, good luck" to Zelensky and call it a "frozen conflict". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:06, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:[https://youtu.be/guPXmdyCCg0 John Mearsheimer: Russia cannot be pushed back]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:09, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
::The title is "Since defense spending is a part of GDP, look at Russia's GDP after this war turns into a frozen conflict, <big>'''etc.'''</big>

::The "etc." indicates there are other possibilities.

::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:22, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:::The problem you have is, you're measuring it all in US dollars, and that is about to change, big time.

:::You will have to re-calibrate it all in few years from a new base. So you're not building anything you or anybody else can hang their hat on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:29, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

::::Think about this: Russia got kicked out of the SWIFT international banking network system, so the numbers you use are corrupted. And by the IMF's own calculations, Russia's GDP continues to grow despite sanctions. Additionally, the West seized $300 billion (more than 3 times [[Ukraine aid]]) in Russia's foreign reserves held abroad, and Russia is unphased. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:47, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
Most of the economic damage to Russia from the war and sanctions will be long-term economic damage (Brain drain, reduction of labor force such as soldiers killed or badly injured, etc, etc, etc.).

Recently, the historian Stephen Kotkin, Research Fellow Michael S. Bernstam, and Sergei Guriev, provost and professor of economics at the Institut d'études politiques de Paris had a discussion related to the sanctions on Russia and the damage caused by the war in Ukraine to Russia which is given below.

Here is that discussion: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x-qmMgVN8c Sanctions and Russia: Effects, Lessons, and the Future | A History Lab Discussion w/ Stephen Kotkin], August 25, 2023 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:55, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

:::::When Russia had $300 billion in reserves in foreign banks, that was hard cold cash. When Congress voted $165 billion in Ukraine aid out of thin air, how was that paid for? On a printing press, which you pay for now in higher prices everytime you go to the grocery store. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 00:58, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Now that [[the West]] basically stole $300 billion from Russia, no one, not billionaire oligarchs nor national governments, want to hold their cash or reserves in US dollars in one of the 12,000 international banks that are members of the SWIFT banking network, because [[psychotic]]s like [[John McCain]], [[Barack Obama]], [[Joe Biden]] or the [[EU]] leadership can [[blackmail]] you or seize your money in a moment's notice (like they did [[Canadian truckers]]). The West didn't only shoot itself in the foot, it slit its own throat.

:::::Now, the question is, was this just stupidity, or is part of the [[Great Reset]]/[[Build Back Better]]/[[Green New Deal]] agenda, or both? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 01:07, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
Off topic. The essay is about Russia's future. If you want to comment on the USA, then comment on the talk page of my essay <nowiki>[[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>. Alternatively, and preferably, write an essay entitled [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on the USA's future]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:12, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:Whatsamatta, you can't read? I have as much faith that you took away from Prof. Kotkin about as much understanding as you do from Prof. Mearsheimer or Vladimir Pozner. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 01:18, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
::You fell into an absolute rage when I said that your depth of knowledge on international relations was not as extensive as Prof. Mearsheimer (who has been an international relations scholar for a very long time). I didn't mean offense by it as I believe I was just stating the obvious.

::Also, you think that you can somehow lift yourself by denigrating someone else. The world doesn't work that way. It's totally irrational thinking. And it doesn't bother me one bit as I have been in professions that require a very thick skin. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:26, September 1, 2023 (EDT)
:::I am definitely not impressed with your views about the USA, China, or Russia. Create the essay [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on the USA's future]] and make your best case as that would be the respectable thing to do. Respect is earned. It is not an entitlement. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:34, September 1, 2023 (EDT)

==Black Mountain Analysis==
You might find this interesting (but don't read just this excerpt, read the entire piece). [https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/geopolitics-update-i]
{{quotebox-float|To stop the Russians from advancing, Ukraine will literally need to stop the Russians with their bodies. And they will need millions of bodies to prolong the war for another year. Millions of dead. A price the West is ready to pay in order to to kill as many Russians (and Ukrainians), and in the process to destroy as much infrastructure and industry as possible.

Well, in fact, the West will pursue this war crime/crime against humanity as far as possible. And this is the point where I try to calm people down. Even though I’m not fully convinced yet, I can’t imagine that the Ukrainian (Russian!) people will follow. They will consider the epically defeated Ukrainian offensive, with tens of thousands of dead people, and the parallel Russian offensive at Kupyansk, with its implications for the immediate future. They will think of the hundreds of thousands of overall dead (400,000) with the corresponding funerals all over the country, and the people will eventually begin to resist. How? That remains to be seen, but it certainly (hopefully?) will avoid the conscription of millions, and the consequent death.

Well, the uprising of either the people or some elements within the military should mark the third and last phase of the Ukrainian collapse.

As I mentioned many times, the West is winning big in this dimension. The West has achieved the goal to kill as many Russians (Ukrainians and Russians) as possible up to this point. If the war ends tomorrow, the West will be satisfied in that respect. If it ends after additional hundreds of thousands or even millions die, even better. The geopolitical and eventually the economic damage to Russia will be significant. Especially in the struggle for Russia to establish itself as a major player in the emerging world order.

Yes, Russia managed the transition and triggered it, but it certainly also wants to be one of the leaders in economic terms. This could be hindered if most resources are bogged down within Russia for reconstruction. Hundreds of thousands of dead and permanently disabled men are also missing from the workforce. Hundreds of thousands of children will never be born because of the dearth of healthy males (fathers) in the resulting population.}}
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 18:35, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:You should probably let these guys know you annihilated the entire JFO ([https://www.conservapedia.com/images/thumb/4/42/Map-on-April-first.jpg/450px-Map-on-April-first.jpg with one weird trick!]) back in March / April 2022 so they can add another 120k to the total. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:27, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

::[https://www.conservapedia.com/File:A_Skeptic%27s_Best_Guess_On_Final_Map_(Revised).PNG It's coming to that], as soon as the 20,000 remaining NATO forces in [[Bradley Square]] are wiped out, with a pincer movement from the north along the Kupiansk front.

::Anyways, haven't you heard? WWII Big Arrow offensives are obsolete. We've progressed back to WWI-type trench warfare.
:::What's interesting is, cheap drones now can kill a single infantry man. That, coupled with facial recognition, has revolutionized warfare. Massed formations of infantry or armor are a thing of the past (GPS satellite technology did that, not to mention land mines). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:34, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:::IMO, we need robot soldiers who can fire an AK-47, robot tanks, and unmanned aerial fighters and bombers. It's the only humane thing to do. The US can import all its robots from [[China]], since we don't have the factories or educated workforce to work in them. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:52, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

::::ConwayIII, "Analyzing data compiled by the Uppsala Conflict Data Program (UCDP) on conflict termination since 1946, 26 percent of interstate wars like Ukraine end in less than 30 days and another 25 percent end in less than a year. Wars that end within a month last on average eight days, and 44 percent end in a ceasefire or peace agreement. Of wars that last over a month but less than a year, only 24 percent end in a ceasefire. When interstate wars last longer than a year, they extend to over a decade on average, resulting in sporadic clashes."[https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-does-it-end-what-past-wars-tell-us-about-how-save-ukraine#:~:text=Wars%20that%20end%20within%20a,average%2C%20resulting%20in%20sporadic%20clashes.]

::::Putin should have never launched his special operation in February 2022. It started a chain of events that are very tragic. See also: <nowiki>[[Essay: How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes|How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes]]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:41, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

:::::That's interesting data if either side ever declares war; Russia has a [[Special military operation]] and Ukraine only has martial law (which makes conscription illegal case the [[Rada]] hasn't declared war). We'll remember that information should war ever break out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']] 19:45, August 31, 2023 (EDT)

== Next update for this essay: The year 2029 ==

Update the essay in 2029 as Russia's GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP) ranking in the world has been projected to drop in 2028 by an analyst or analysts.[https://www.russiamatters.org/blog/russia-worlds-5th-largest-economy-gdp-ppp#:~:text=The%20IMF%20predicts%20that%20Russia's,for%20comparisons%20of%20countries'%20GDP.]

If it drops, then consider using this as a partial explanation: [https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/09/08/russias-out-of-control-military-spending-en Russia’s out-of-control military spending]. With spending on the war in Ukraine potentially accounting for 45% of Russia’s budget by the end of the year, what are the implications for the rest of the economy?

In other words, guns vs. butter and economics. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:50, September 10, 2023 (EDT)

==Oleg Deripaska==
[[File:Doggie Doo Alert.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Doggie doo-doo Alert! [https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387625-mueller-may-have-a-conflict-and-it-leads-directly-to-a-russian-oligarch/] ]]
[[Oleg Deripaska]] is an FBI informant for [[Robert Mueller]] and <s>[[Peter Strzok]]</s> [[Andrew McCabe]].

Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about, spewing neo-Nazi and globalist propaganda, and doing CP and the [[conservative movement]] more harm than good.

[https://youtu.be/48Kk7kobMQY "Gimme back my pen"]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 16:16, November 25, 2023 (EST)

*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Christopher_Steele_and_Bruce_Ohr]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Trump-Russia]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Collusion]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Robert_Mueller]]
*[[Oleg_Deripaska#Andrew_McCabe]]

It was [[Donald Trump]] who [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-imposes-major-sanctions-russian-oligarchs-officials-companies-n863271 added Deripaska to the Russia sanctions list.]

The rot in this Essay sounds like it came straight out of [[Hillary Clinton]]'s mouth. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 16:44, November 25, 2023 (EST)

So, are you going to correct the globalist neo-Nazi Clintonista information you inserted yesterday from your "informational cocoon"? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 11:28, November 27, 2023 (EST)

{{quotebox-float|"Concurrent with Ohr, Steele and Deripaska's activities to set up [Carter] Page's Russia visit, [[Comey]] and [[Loretta Lynch|Lynch]] vilely plotted to turn the patriotic Page from a hero into a Russian agent. They convened a meeting with Andrew McCabe, and the [[Obama administration]]'s highest-ranking national-security officials [[Susan Rice]], [[John Brennan]], and [[James Clapper]] to discuss how Page may be "compromised" by the Russians. Their objective was to use Page to illegally spy on Trump's campaign through a [[FISA]] warrant, and to bolster Steele's dossier allegations against Page."}}
::''Source:'' https://www.justice.gov/media/1145736/dl?inline=

Oh, so it wasn't just the Hillary Clinton campaign that manufactured the bogus [[Trump-Russia]] smear, it was the FBI, CIA, [[DNI]] and Obama National Security Advisor, along with Deripaska's help, involved. Yet here you are denying historical facts and reiterating the fundamental lies that destroyed Donald Trump's presidency.

See also: [[Essay: Does ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity define conservativism?]] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Get thee behind me, Satan'']] 17:17, November 27, 2023 (EST)

==Pure narcissism stated in the title==
"Why I'm not bullish". Who's interested in your [[narcissistic]] attitudes and views? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']] 13:48, February 25, 2024 (EST)

Dittos. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:04, October 1, 2024 (EDT)

Just ask Andy to ''speedy'' this [[crap]] and be done with it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:08, October 1, 2024 (EDT)

==How old are you?==
[[User:Conservative]]: Are you the last person on the [[planet]] to know, figure out, or be informed that [[war]] & [[inflation]] go hand-in-hand? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 14:43, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Does war and inflation always go hand and hand? Did the USA and Britain keep inflation rates low in WWII through two methods? See: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K1LZFUCmTOM Why Putin is in an economic bind], video and The Treasury asked the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low so the government could finance its debt more cheaply. See: [https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/feds-role-during-wwii#:~:text=To%20keep%20the%20costs%20of,of%202%20to%204%20percent. The Federal Reserve's Role During WWII].

::Does Russia have very high inflation and is it at risk of stagflation:

::'''Russia's inflation problem:'''

::*[https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/business/money-report/russian-central-bank-surprises-markets-by-holding-rates-at-21-despite-sky-high-inflation/4059556/ Russian central bank surprises markets by holding rates at 21% despite sky-high inflation], 10 Philadephia NBC News, December 20, 2024

::*[https://en.thebell.io/russias-rising-stagflation-threat/ Russia’s rising stagflation threat], The Bell, 2024 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:14, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::Yep. [[War]] & [[inflation]] always go hand-in-hand. [https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/artifact/hr-5990-act-further-national-defense-and-security-checking-inflationary-tendencies H.R. 5990, An Act to further the national defense and security by checking . . . inflationary tendencies (Emergency Price Control Act), January 27, 1942] See also [[Office of Price Administration]].

:::You're a dunce. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:31, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::::Tendencies is not high inflation.

::::"During World War II, the United States experienced relatively low inflation compared to other wartime periods due to strict government price controls implemented by the Office of Price Administration (OPA), which included rationing systems to manage consumer demand and limit access to scarce goods, effectively keeping inflation in check throughout the war."[https://www.google.com/search?q=low+inflation+wwii&oq=low+inflation+wwii&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQLhhA0gEIODk5OGowajGoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]

::::But if you want to create your own alternative reality about this matter, then have it. But I am not going to argue with you.

::::And after all is said and done, Russia has sky-high inflation and faces increasing risk of stagflation. Deny this and lose all credibility. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:41, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Oh, so now you are an advocate of [[big government]] solutions to [[inflation]], in addition to pitching [[globalism]] & [[neoconservativism]]. Okay. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:42, December 26, 2024 (EST)
Don't think I didn't notice that you are backing away from your position that wars always causes inflation. Because I did notice. But maybe there is hair splitting going on. "Relatively low inflation compared to other war periods" and high inflation (which Russia has) are very different things. And I see that you still struggle with the concept that there is no free lunch in economics and there are always going to be tradeoffs.

And if Trump negotiates a great deal with Putin concerning the war in Ukraine, Putin staring down the barrel of high-inflation leading to stagflation will be a key factor. And even then, Putin might not be able to dodge the stagflation bullet. Russia may face a difficult post war economy due to the economic pain of transitioning a war time economy to a more civilian economy. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:52, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:This essay should be retitled: '''[[Essay: I am a narcissistic racist and proponent of globalism, neoconservativism, and big government]]'''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:02, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Putin is practicing military Keynesianism and some generous policies to the civilian sector to boost his GNP and mollify the public. The resulting sky-high inflation is popping the rivets out of the SS Russia ship. If Russia keeps taking on water, stagflation will cause its economy to heavily list in the water. Meanwhile, the SS Trump and SS USA ships will be moving forward full-speed ahead! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:13, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::Add this to the '''[[Trump Effect]]:''' '''[https://citizenwatchreport.com/we-are-about-to-fall-off-a-cliff/ WE ARE ABOUT TO FALL OFF A CLIFF].''' Of course, [[inflation]] could delay and prolong the misery for a while. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:16, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::::I still agree with User: Karajou who wrote about you: "You have proven yourself to be no damn good in foreign affairs...".

::::Feel free to take me up on my challenge at: [https://sites.google.com/view/my-challenge-to-robsmith/home My challenge to RobSmith about Russia given on August 11, 2024]. And feel free to create counter essays to my essays. For example, write an essay at [[Essay: Why it makes sense to be bullish about Russia's future]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:41, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Well, at least Karajou only [[troll]]ed the Sysop discussion list with [[Three Stooges]] reruns. As to your challenges:
{{Cquote|Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.|||Proverbs 14:7}}
::::: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:49, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::Let me add this: What sort of contorted logic and reasoning in your twisted mind leads you think or believe me, or anyone, is "bullish" on Russia or anything? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:53, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::Still waiting for an answer to this question. Note time stamp. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 02:27, December 27, 2024 (EST)

You are failing to give me compelling reasons to be bullish on Russia and not to be bearish about the future of Russia.

I still agree with the international relations scholar [[John Mearsheimer]] about the future of Russia. "Russia is a declining power, and it will only get weaker with time." - John Mearsheimer

'''Reasons to be bullish on India and the USA:'''

"There are several reasons to be bullish on India, including its economic resilience, growing consumer class, and improving business environment. India's economy is one of the fastest growing in the world, with a GDP growth of 7.2% in FY23 and 6.5% estimated for FY24. India's GDP growth has surpassed China's in recent years and is expected to continue doing so."[https://www.google.com/search?q=bullish+on+india&oq=bullish+on+india&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORiABDIHCAEQABiABDIICAIQABgWGB4yCAgDEAAYFhgeMggIBBAAGBYYHjIICAUQABgWGB4yCAgGEAAYFhgeMggIBxAAGBYYHjIICAgQABgWGB4yBggJEC4YQNIBCDQzODNqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]

As of late 2023, the US stock market represents approximately 59% of the global stock market value, making it the largest stock market in the world by a significant margin.[https://archive.is/1SquO][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_stock_market_capitalization]

*[https://finance.yahoo.com/news/investors-allocation-to-us-stocks-hits-record-high-amid-super-bullish-sentiment-bofa-survey-164349535.htmlbInvestors' Allocation to US stocks hits record high amid 'super-bullish sentiment': BofA survey].

*[https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2024/07/why-i-remain-bullish-on-the-united-states-of-america-2/ Why I Remain Bullish on the United States of America].

I rest my case. USA! USA! USA! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:03, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:You are full of caca. When did I ever suggest to you to be "bullish", as you misuse the term, on Russian? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 17:11, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::Again, I agree with User: Karajou about you: "You have proven yourself to be no damn good in foreign affairs...".

::What you suggest or don't suggest is not important to me. I have a wealth of information about world affairs at my finger tips and I also have access to a wealth of people that are more competent than you when it comes to world affairs.

::The [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|USA will be the leading power for the foreseeable future]] and if you think otherwise, feel free to write a counter essay at [[Essay: The United States will NOT be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:20, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::BTW, I responded to your challenge years ago with '''[[Essay: Are ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity conservative values?]]''', and keeping it updated would be a full-time job. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 18:23, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::And no, a Sysop who posts [[Three Stooges]] videos in what is supposed to be an email list on policy discussion & direction can't hardly be taken seriously. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 18:26, December 26, 2024 (EST)

Karajou has been around the world and in terms of human relations he has been married to his wife for many years. In addition, he has never divorced. As such, I have far, far more regard for Karajou opinions on international relations and human relations than your inane opinions on these matters. The utter failure of your so-called [[Team CP]] (You are the only member) is one of many pieces of evidence that you do not understand interpersonal relations. The [[Conservapedia:CP Civility Association|CP Civility Association]] has 9 members. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:03, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:So the [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Three_Stooges&diff=757178&oldid=756626 Two Stooges are in agreement.] Who you gonna get to stand in for Curly, Shemp?
::Addendum: Okay, I found the third stooge to go along with Karajou and Ken - [[Jake Sullivan]]. [https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-12-04/munitions-weapons-stockpiles-ukraine-china-russia-16061738.html All three want to start World War III without any weapons.] Brilliant! [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 16:52, December 27, 2024 (EST)
:I picture Karajou more as the brains of the operation like Mo; and [[User:Conservative]] just a wannabee, like Larry. But according to Karajou, this is the stuff for priority discussion on the Sysop email list, so just keep quoting that brainiac. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 21:19, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:Wow! Imagine that! One of [[Conservapedia]]'s resident experts on [[foreign affairs]] apparently [[plagiarized]] the [[Three Stooges]] article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 21:28, December 26, 2024 (EST)
::This essay gives 22 reasons to be bearish about about Russia's future. Give me 22 reasons why I should be bullish about Russia's future. Until you take me up on my challenge (see: <nowiki>[https://sites.google.com/view/my-challenge-to-robsmith/home My challenge to RobSmith about Russia given on August 11, 2024]</nowiki>) or write a compelling counter essay, there is no reason to take your whining and bellyaching seriously. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:05, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:::Speaking of off-topic subjects, when are you going to become obedient to [[God]], now at the age of 60, to get married, cleave to a wife, and be fruitful and multiply? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:12, December 26, 2024 (EST)
:::::It's obvious that you don't know your Bible as the Apostle Paul, one of Christianity's greatest advocates and evangelists wasn't married (1 Corinthians 7: 8). Furthermore, the Apostle Paul said it was better for the Christian not to marry if one has that gift from God (1 Corinthians 7: 7). {{Unsigned|User:Conservative}}
::::::Okay, so you were never attracted to a woman, and vice versa. Paul said marriage is honorable, and the bed undefiled. It's not a sin. But what goes on in [[gay bathhouses]] is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 01:32, December 27, 2024 (EST)
::::I will also point out that before one understands international relations, one has to understand interpersonal relations and your failure with the so-called [[Team CP]] (which only has you as a member) and other failures related to interpersonal relations shows you lack an understanding of this topic. In short, first socks, then shoes. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:59, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:::::What does that have to do with anything? I thought we were discussing that geopolitical analyst & [[Three Stooges]] biographer's marriage? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:43, December 26, 2024 (EST)
[[Image:2200-club-san-diego.jpg‎|alt=Gay bathhouses|thumbnail|295px|right|]]
::::People are literally voting with their feet (See: <nowiki>[[Essay: Top 12 reasons why people are flocking to the USA and leaving the corrupt, authoritarian countries of China and Russia]]</nowiki> and [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-millionaire-migration-in-2024/ Mapped: Millionaire Migration in 2024 from Russia and other countries. Millionaires are moving to the USA]. Use some common sense and stop engaging in irrational denialism.

::::Just admit that you picked the wrong countries to fall in love with (Namely, Russia and China) and that Russia's/China's mass emigration from their respective countries is a clear and compelling sign of this as is millionaires and others flocking to the USA. Your foolish pride in this matter is comical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:26, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:::::Just admit that you picked the wrong bathhouses to fall in love with (Namely [[gay bathhouses]]). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 01:26, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:'''Update:''' [[Democracy]] in [[Ukraine]]. [https://t.me/IntelRepublic/44990 Your tax dollars at work.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 22:51, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:'''Question:''' Why is [[User:Conservative]] [[gossiping]] about [[User:Karajou]]'s [[marriage]], which is totally irrelevant to this discussion? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 23:05, December 26, 2024 (EST)

:Speaking of [[gossip]], did you see your buddy Ace/Conway [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia:What_is_going_on_at_CP%3F updated WIGO CP]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 23:10, December 26, 2024 (EST)

::::::"When citizens are fleeing a country, it often indicates a severe crisis like war, persecution, or economic collapse, leading to a range of negative impacts including: population decline, brain drain, economic instability, social unrest, and a strained capacity for essential services as the most skilled and productive individuals leave, leaving behind a vulnerable population struggling to maintain basic needs; this can further exacerbate the crisis and make it harder for the country to recover."[https://www.google.com/sea:rch?q=what+happens+to+countries+where+there+citizens+are+fleeing&sca_esv=9f43d3a7dae88e4e&sxsrf=ADLYWIKnmBLgqswjSoRb4gyhGVHFIVQccQ%3A1735279677472&ei=PURuZ4S_HKSJptQPjuSDwAc&ved=0ahUKEwjE0YvGpMeKAxWkhIkEHQ7yAHgQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=what+happens+to+countries+where+there+citizens+are+fleeing&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiOndoYXQgaGFwcGVucyB0byBjb3VudHJpZXMgd2hlcmUgdGhlcmUgY2l0aXplbnMgYXJlIGZsZWVpbmcyBxAhGKABGAoyBxAhGKABGAoyBxAhGKABGAoyBRAhGJ8FSM9qUABY9mZwA3gBkAEAmAGqAaABij-qAQQwLjYxuAEDyAEA-AEBmAJAoAK7QMICBBAjGCfCAgsQABiABBiRAhiKBcICERAuGIAEGLEDGNEDGIMBGMcBwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBjRAxjHAcICChAAGIAEGEMYigXCAg4QABiABBixAxiDARiKBcICBRAAGIAEwgIOEC4YgAQYsQMY0QMYxwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICDRAAGIAEGJECGIoFGArCAggQABiABBixA8ICBBAAGAPCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgIHEAAYgAQYCsICCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFwgIGEAAYFhgewgIFECEYoAHCAgUQIRirAsICCBAAGKIEGIkFmAMAkgcEMy42MaAHkugD&sclient=gws-wiz-serp] See: <nowiki>[https://decline-of-russia.blogspot.com/2024/11/russias-economy-is-that-of-shrinking.html Russia's brain drain] and [https://decline-of-russia.blogspot.com/2024/11/russias-demographic-crisis.html Russia's demographic crisis]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:11, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:::::::Why do you hate Russia so much? Because they passed anti-[[LGBT]] laws? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 02:21, December 27, 2024 (EST)
Do I hate Russia? Onus probandi actori incumbit! This is Latin for "He who asserts must prove".

By the way, I learned the Russian word for "hello" this Tuesday from a hairdresser who is one of the 20 to 30 million people compromising the Russian diaspora. So many people have fled Russia! I am looking forward to using my growing Russian vocabulary when I visit St. Petersburg, Moscow and the Golden Ring towns of Russia (historic towns east and west of Moscow with many architectural masterpieces). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:03, December 27, 2024 (EST)

:You like talking to yourself? I thought we were [[gossiping]] about [[User:Karajou]]'s marriage, but you can't seem to focus. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 15:51, December 27, 2024 (EST)

[[User:Conservative]]: As to your question, [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/268#Ok.2C_Mr._Analyst "Was a Russian IP address to a gay dating app found to be associated with the Kremlin?"], according to [[Conservapedia]], a [[White House]] [[Chief-of-Staff]] was arrested in a pay toilet 2 blocks from the [[White House]] with another man and charged with "disorderly conduct":
{{Cquote|One month before the election, White House Chief of Staff [[Walter Jenkins]] was arrested in a pay toilet of the men's room of the YMCA, two blocks from the White House. It was not the first time Jenkins had been arrested on the same charge. The police had apprehended him in the same washroom in January 1959 in a similar homosexual episode.}}
Given the precedent set by [[American]] global leadership and [[democracy]], there's nothing unusual about the alleged claims you make (particularly given ''[[The Guardian]]'s'' association with [[British intelligence]] services). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']] 19:19, January 7, 2025 (EST)

==Ever Predicted, Never Happening: Russia's Collapse==
Badmouthing Russia's economy has a certain tradition:

Russia's Collapse - Foreign Affairs, Sep 1, 1999

Russia Is Finished - The Atlantic, May 2001

The Russian Economic Crisis - CFR, Apr 2010

Since the start of the Special Military operation in Ukraine many outlets joined the above doomsayers of the foreign policy blob.

Since then most reports about Russia's economy predicted a collapse or at least severe difficulties. Here are some from just the previous six months:

Russia's economy is signaling a fate worse than recession - Business Insider, Sep 26 2024

Humiliation for Putin as Russia could plunge into 'economic collapse' to plug £30bn debt - Express, Oct 7 2024

Putin's Economy Approaches 'Burnout Point' - Newsweek, Oct 8 2024

Russia’s economy is overheating but Putin cannot change course - Atlantic Council, Oct 31, 2024

Russia’s War Economy Is Hitting Its Limits - Foreign Policy, Nov 14 2024

Russia’s economy is doomed - New Statesman, Nov 28 2024

Russian rouble collapse exposes deep problems in the country’s economy - The Conservation, Dec 3 2024

The Russian Economy Remains Putin’s Greatest Weakness - Foreign Affairs, Dec 9, 2024

Russia’s war economy spirals out of control as 2025 brings looming stagnation - NZZ, Jan 7 2025

Is 2025 the year that Russia’s economy finally freezes up under sanctions? - Atlantic Council, Jan 8 2025

Russia’s war economy is a house of cards (archived) - Financial Times, Jan 13 2025

Putin's war economy is running on fumes as inflation and shortages surge - Kyiv Independent, Jan 15 2025

Don’t Blink Now, Trump. Russia’s Economy Is Cracking. - Bloomberg, Feb 10 2025

Russia’s economy is stagnating – but that won’t force it to end the war - The Conservation, Mar 10 2025

The Russian economy is on the brink of collapse and Putin knows it - Independent, Mar 13 2025

Russia’s economy would struggle to cope with peace - Reuters, Mar 17 2025

Meanwhile the Russian economy is doing well. Its economy is growing faster than most other.

Russia to grow faster than all advanced economies says IMF - BBC, Apr 16 2024

IMF raises forecast for growth in Russia's GDP by 0.1 pp in 2025 - Interfax, Jan 17 2025

The lesson from this? Much of what one reads in mainstream media about Russia (and other so called enemies) is garbage. [https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/03/ever-predicted-never-happening-russias-collapse.html]
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:I warned against [[spamming]] too much of making [[Mearsheimer]] a credible and authoritive expert into dozens and dozens of [[Conservapedia]] mainspace and talk pages for several years. Now Mearsheimer says [[President Trump]] is [[delusion]]al and his so-called "[[peace]]" efforts are doomed to fail. So here we created a problem for ourselves which now has be dealt with for the remainder of Trump's term.

:And to argue against Mearsheimer is to place oneself into the [[warmonger]] and advocate of [[perpetual war]] camp.

:As to the guns and butter argument, I can't remember how many decades ago I last ate butter. Butter was knocked of the market in favor of oleamargarine during the [[Vietnam war]], which old timers then explained it was the ongoing legacy of [[World War II]] & the [[Korean war]]. In another 40, 50, or 80 years, maybe the predominantly rural & agrarian Ruassian Federation may have to convert to oleomargarine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:55, May 11, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:Gerashchenko 2.PNG|right|300px|thumb|Deputy Ukrainian Interior Minister and Advisor to President Zelensky Anton Gerashchenko, curator of the Myrotvorets website.[https://www.youtube.com/c/AntonGerashchenko/videos]]]
I finally had the opportunity to read this "[https://www.newsweek.com/russians-resort-stealing-butter-amid-shortages-1976575 ButterGate]" article which was spammed into at least [https://www.conservapedia.com/File:Butter.jpg 17 Conservapedia pages]. The ''[[Newsweek]]'' report was built around [https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1851193544410583081 a single instance of 2 shoplifters who were apprehended], armed with knives. The information was first posted to [[X]] by [[Anton Gerashchenko]], the notorious [[neo-nazi]] webmaster who maintains [[Myrotvorets]], better known as the [[Ukrainian kill list]]. [[Sen Rand Paul]] & [[DNI Tulsi Gabbard]] are included in the list.

Next time you hear Conservapedia is [[Nazi]] [[propaganda]], don't laugh. A senior Admin made it so. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 06:33, May 11, 2025 (EDT)

[[Conservapedia]] needs stronger anti-[[spamming]] enforcement. When an editor adds content, it should be in only one place - not 17 - and time given for other editors to vet the content. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:18, May 11, 2025 (EDT)

{{clear}}
[[File:Dollar hits 2 year low against rubble.PNG|center|600px|thumb|From 11 to 78. What is that? A 700% increase?]]
Looks like [[User:Conservative]] is about 0-6 in just the past 48 hrs. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:05, May 31, 2025 (EDT)

I could be adding meaningful content right now, but can't because of all the [[liberal claptrap]] [[User:Conservative]] has [[spammed]] into [[Conservapedia]] over the past 3 years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:06, May 31, 2025 (EDT)

==[[Category:User:Conservative proven wrong]] [https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/User:Conservative_proven_wrong AGAIN]==
*[[Richard Sakwa]]: [[Russophobia]] Is Leading Us Toward War [[Glenn Diesen]] [https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/richard-sakwa-russophobia-is-leading].
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Do straight normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]] 19:51, July 13, 2026 (EDT)
*'''March 9, 2023''': ''[[Reuters]]'': [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-can-fight-ukraine-two-more-years-current-intensity-lithuania-says-2023-03-09/ Russia can fight in Ukraine for two more years at current intensity]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Do heterosexual normies spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]] 16:04, September 30, 2026 (EDT)

== Interesting Points ==

Just wanted to say hello, Conservative, and compliment your well thought out points about the fact that Russia is not conservative, seemingly obvious given its associations with Communist dictatorships like China and North Korea and its high degree of state ownership of the economy. I especially liked your point that Russian church attendance is abysmally low in spite of the common Russian mantra that the country is Christian. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 19:00, September 30, 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Conservative of the Year 2025

2025-11-30T05:48:46Z

JZambrano: /* Charlie Kirk */ new section

Andy,

Several years ago I nominated [[Col. Douglas Macgregor]] for [[Conservative of the Year]]. [[User:Conservative]] used my nomination to engage in a months and years long series of [[personal attacks]] against me ([https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive70#My_geopolitics_essays_work_is_done_until_2030._I_put_the_icing_on_the_cake_of_my_geopolitics_essays. mens rea]) on talk pages and in Essay space. All [[Conservapedia]] editors saw [[user:Conservative]]'s [[trolling]] as a disincentive to participate in joint projects such as making nominations for [[Conservative of the Year]]. [[User:Conservative]]'s conduct remains unaddressed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:24, August 6, 2025 (EDT)

So then [[User:Conservative]] calls me to tell me he wanted to solicit [[Col. Macgregor]] to become an [[SEO]] consultant for Macgregor's new [[grassroots]] [[conservative]] organization, [[Our Country Our Choice]] (with the usual [[narcissistic]] spiel about what a brilliant genius he himself is, etc.) I asked what was going to happen when Macgregor runs a background check and discovers all the [[globalist]] and [[neo-nazi]] [[crap]] [[User:Conservative]] has added to [[Conservapedia]]? He hasn't mentioned Macgregor since.

But the bottom line is, his intimidation [[tactics]] via [[personal attacks]] and abuse of Essay space have disincentivized editors from participating in the [[Conservapedia]] project. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:27, August 6, 2025 (EDT)

==Conservapedia is not a [[cult of personality]], and [[Conservapedia]] should stop treating it as such==
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Neither is the [[MAGA movement]] a [[cult of personality]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:58, October 21, 2025 (EDT)

==Milei==
It's not "real action" if it requires an [[American]] [[bailout]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:49, October 29, 2025 (EDT)

== Charlie Kirk ==

My vote goes to Charlie Kirk, and I don't consider it especially close. It's a shame we lost such a patriot to the United States. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 00:48, November 30, 2025 (EST)

Christian Nationalism

2025-11-30T05:38:22Z

JZambrano: /* Women Teaching */

'''Christian Nationalism''' is the [[Biblical]], [[Christ]]-centric, historical and traditional teaching of [[Jesus Christ]], His [[Apostles]], the Church Fathers and the Christian Church. "WE AFFIRM that Christ’s commissioning of His Church to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them, and teaching them to obey all that He has commanded includes civil authorities who are to be called to repentance, faith, and obedience to Christ. We affirm that the Church is to instruct civil authorities regarding their identity and duties as servants before the throne of Christ. We affirm that this duty is a Great Commission issue. WE DENY that there is any sphere of life in which the command “teach them to obey all that I have commanded” does not apply, including politics and government." <ref>https://www.statementonchristiannationalism.com/</ref>

Christian Nationalism is a movement that argues for a greater influence of Christianity in government, including U.S. government. It came under fire in August 2025 after Defense Secretary [[Pete Hegseth]] reposted a video by a Christian Nationalist pastor criticizing women's right to vote.

==Greater Christian Influence in Government==

That Christians should have more influence in government and promote a belief in GOD through government is consistent with the beliefs of the early founding fathers. Thomas Jefferson in both the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom as well as in the Declaration of Independence based his argument for inalienable rights upon their having been given by a CREATOR. Jefferson while President of the University of Virginia required students attend Bible classes, and was a founding donor to the Virginia Bible Society. James Madison also based arguments for religious freedom and inalienable rights upon the self-evident existence of a CREATOR giving rights to mankind and imbuing people with inherent worth and value in Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, a piece of legislation where he argued against a tax to support Christian pastors as being antithetical to Christian doctrine (point 12). Benjamin Franklin was part of a 3-person committee that voted to adopt as seal of the United States a depiction of Moses and the Israelites crossing the Red Sea. The early founders were open about their Biblical beliefs (although Jefferson was arguably Jewish, not Christian<ref>Wade, N. (2007, February 28). "[https://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/28/us/28jefferson.html Study Raises Possibility of Jewish Tie for Jefferson.]" ''New York Times.''</ref>).

==Women Teaching==

A common criticism of Christian Nationalism as a movement, including those associated with Pete Hegseth, is their tendency to argue against women's right to vote.<ref>Cordover, E. (2025, August 15). "[https://www.politico.com/newsletters/women-rule/2025/08/15/christian-nationalists-target-womens-right-to-vote-00511090 Are Christian nationalists targeting women’s right to vote?]" ''Politico.'' Simon, J. (2025, August 9). "[https://www.npr.org/2025/08/09/nx-s1-5497226/women-pastor-pete-hegseth-vote Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth Reposts Video of Pastors Saying Women Shouldn't Vote.]" ''NPR.'' Toropin, K. (2025, August 8). "[https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/pete-hegseth-reposts-video-pastors-opposing-womens-right-vote/3972814/ Hegseth Reposts Video Featuring Pastors Saying Women Shouldn't be Allowed to Vote.]" ''Associated Press.''</ref> Pete Hegseth refused to endorse the position however, saying he supported the right of women to vote.<ref>Britzky, H. (2025, August 15). "[https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/15/politics/pentagon-hegseth-womens-right-to-vote Pentagon Says Hegseth Supports Women’s Right to Vote Despite Sharing Video Saying Otherwise.]" ''CNN.''</ref>

The Christian Nationalists apparently make an issue of women not supposed to teach according to 1 Timothy 2:12. However, the word translated woman there should have been translated wife, not woman. It's the Greek word ''gune'' which is translated wife 92 of 221 times in the KJV.<ref>Thayer and Smith. "[https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/gune.html Greek Lexicon Entry for Gune.]" ''The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon, BibleStudyTools.''</ref> There are cases Biblically of women leading nations (Deborah - Judges 4), of women prophesying (Philip's seven daughters - Acts 21:9), producing some of the major hymns/praises to GOD in the Bible (Miriam - Exodus 15; Mary - Luke 1; Deborah - Judges 5; Hannah - 1 Samuel 2), and of teaching one of the great leaders of the early Church (Priscilla with her husband Aquilla teaching Apollos - Acts 18). Clearly there are cases where women Biblically made a difference in Israel or the early Church, so the Paul teaching should be understood as not affecting virgins or widows. Widows in fact were a part of Church leadership whose requirements rivaled those of Bishops and Deacons, see 1 Timothy 5, and caring for widows was a major issue for the early Church (Acts 6).

Ultimately, Republicans were the main ones who gave women the right to vote in 1919 with the 19th Amendment, more Democrats voted against the 19th Amendment than Republicans,<ref>U.S. House of Representatives (2019, May 21). "[https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/66-1/h2 Roll Call Votes: House Vote #2 in 1919 (66th Congress) - To Pass H.J.Res. 1, Proposing an Amendment to the Constitution Extending the Right of Suffrage to Women. (P. 78-2).]" ''GovTrack.us.'' U.S. Senate (1919, June 1). "[https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/66-1/s13 Roll Call Votes: Senate Vote #13 in 1919 (66th Congress) - To Pass HJR 1.]" ''GovTrack.us.''</ref> so the position of Christian Nationalists is at odds with the historical position of the Republican Party.

== References ==
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Christian Nationalism

2025-11-30T05:21:41Z

JZambrano: /* Women Teaching */

'''Christian Nationalism''' is the [[Biblical]], [[Christ]]-centric, historical and traditional teaching of [[Jesus Christ]], His [[Apostles]], the Church Fathers and the Christian Church. "WE AFFIRM that Christ’s commissioning of His Church to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them, and teaching them to obey all that He has commanded includes civil authorities who are to be called to repentance, faith, and obedience to Christ. We affirm that the Church is to instruct civil authorities regarding their identity and duties as servants before the throne of Christ. We affirm that this duty is a Great Commission issue. WE DENY that there is any sphere of life in which the command “teach them to obey all that I have commanded” does not apply, including politics and government." <ref>https://www.statementonchristiannationalism.com/</ref>

Christian Nationalism is a movement that argues for a greater influence of Christianity in government, including U.S. government. It came under fire in August 2025 after Defense Secretary [[Pete Hegseth]] reposted a video by a Christian Nationalist pastor criticizing women's right to vote.

==Women Teaching==

A common criticism of Christian Nationalism as a movement, including those associated with Pete Hegseth, is their tendency to argue against women's right to vote.<ref>Cordover, E. (2025, August 15). "[https://www.politico.com/newsletters/women-rule/2025/08/15/christian-nationalists-target-womens-right-to-vote-00511090 Are Christian nationalists targeting women’s right to vote?]" ''Politico.'' Simon, J. (2025, August 9). "[https://www.npr.org/2025/08/09/nx-s1-5497226/women-pastor-pete-hegseth-vote Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth Reposts Video of Pastors Saying Women Shouldn't Vote.]" ''NPR.'' Toropin, K. (2025, August 8). "[https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/pete-hegseth-reposts-video-pastors-opposing-womens-right-vote/3972814/ Hegseth Reposts Video Featuring Pastors Saying Women Shouldn't be Allowed to Vote.]" ''Associated Press.''</ref> Pete Hegseth refused to endorse the position however, saying he supported the right of women to vote.<ref>Britzky, H. (2025, August 15). "[https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/15/politics/pentagon-hegseth-womens-right-to-vote Pentagon Says Hegseth Supports Women’s Right to Vote Despite Sharing Video Saying Otherwise.]" ''CNN.''</ref>

The Christian Nationalists apparently make an issue of women not supposed to teach according to 1 Timothy 2:12. However, the word translated woman there should have been translated wife, not woman. It's the Greek word ''gune'' which is translated wife 92 of 221 times in the KJV.<ref>Thayer and Smith. "[https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/gune.html Greek Lexicon Entry for Gune.]" ''The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon, BibleStudyTools.''</ref> There are cases Biblically of women leading nations (Deborah - Judges 4), of women prophesying (Philip's seven daughters - Acts 21:9), producing some of the major hymns/praises to GOD in the Bible (Miriam - Exodus 15; Mary - Luke 1; Deborah - Judges 5; Hannah - 1 Samuel 2), and of teaching one of the great leaders of the early Church (Priscilla with her husband Aquilla teaching Apollos - Acts 18). Clearly there are cases where women Biblically made a difference in Israel or the early Church, so the Paul teaching should be understood as not affecting virgins or widows. Widows in fact were a part of Church leadership whose requirements rivaled those of Bishops and Deacons, see 1 Timothy 5, and caring for widows was a major issue for the early Church (Acts 6).

Ultimately, Republicans were the main ones who gave women the right to vote in 1919 with the 19th Amendment, more Democrats voted against the 19th Amendment than Republicans,<ref>U.S. House of Representatives (2019, May 21). "[https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/66-1/h2 Roll Call Votes: House Vote #2 in 1919 (66th Congress) - To Pass H.J.Res. 1, Proposing an Amendment to the Constitution Extending the Right of Suffrage to Women. (P. 78-2).]" ''GovTrack.us.'' U.S. Senate (1919, June 1). "[https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/66-1/s13 Roll Call Votes: Senate Vote #13 in 1919 (66th Congress) - To Pass HJR 1.]" ''GovTrack.us.''</ref> so the position of Christian Nationalists is at odds with the historical position of the Republican Party.

== References ==
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Talk:Main Page

2025-11-30T04:46:06Z

JZambrano: /* Candace Owens update */

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==War news==
*[https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/intertwined-geopolitical-and-fiscal Intertwined Geopolitical And Fiscal Crises].

===The full text of Trump’s 28-point Ukraine-Russia peace plan===

1. Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed.

2. A comprehensive and comprehensive [sic] non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.

3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and NATO will not expand further.

4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.

5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.

6. The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.

7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.

8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.

9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.

10. US guarantee: The US will receive compensation for the guarantee. If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee. If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked. If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.

11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.

12. A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to: a. The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centres, and artificial intelligence. b. The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernise, and operate Ukraine’s gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities. c. Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernisation of cities and residential areas. d. Infrastructure development. e. Extraction of minerals and natural resources. f. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.

13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy: a. The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis. b. The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centres, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities. c. Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.

14. Frozen funds will be used as follows: $100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine’s reconstruction. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict.

15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement.

16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.

17. The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START I Treaty.

18. Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

19. The Zaporizhzhya [sic] Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50.

20. Both countries undertake to implement educational programmes in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice: a. Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities. b. Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education. c. All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.

21. Territories: a. Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognised as de facto Russian, including by the United States. b. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact. c. Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions. d. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarised buffer zone, internationally recognised as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarised zone.

22. After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment.

23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea.

24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues: a. All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an ‘all for all’ basis. b. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children. c. A family reunification programme will be implemented. d. Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict.

25. Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days.

26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future.

27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations.

28. Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.
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*[[Barak Ravid]]: [https://www.axios.com/2025/11/19/trump-ukraine-peace-plan-russia-donbas Ukraine will inevitably lose the remaining parts of Donbas – if not through a peace agreement, then on the battlefield - Trump admin].
*[https://archive.is/qDRYz#selection-2333.18-2333.70 Keith Kellogg ‘quits’ after plan for US peace leaked]
:*An [[X]] post by [[Steve Witkoff]] stated he didn’t [[leak]] the details so it must have been leaked by “K”. Most news reports [https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/leaked-peace-proposal-carries-hidden?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1351274&post_id=179423136&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=5cnyg&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email have mistakenly suggested “K”] is a reference to [[Kirill Dmitriev]]. Rather, “K” likely refers to [[Keith Kellogg|Kellogg]] himself who leaked details of the proposal he staunchly opposed. Kellogg spent his career as a [[neocon]] [[warmonger]] opposed to peace like Secretary of State [[Marco Rubio]] and former National Security Advisor [[Mike Waltz]] so his decision to resign is a major victory for the [[America First]] [[conservative]] wing of the [[Trump administration]] led by Vice President [[JD Vance]] and a heavy blow to [[neocon]]s and to [[Zelensky]]." [https://dpyne.substack.com/i/179421519/trumps-new-peace-framework-agreement-with-russia]
::*[[Sergey Lavrov]]: ""Those who are trying to comprehend the documents included [in the plan], firstly, they were leaked deliberately to stir up this hype in the media space, and those who are leading this hype, of course, they are not particularly hiding it. '''They want to undermine [[Donald Trump]]'s efforts, they want to rewrite this plan in their own way.'''" [https://sputnikglobe.com/20251125/key-provisions-of-trumps-ukraine-plan-based-on-understanding-reached-in-anchorage---lavrov-1123168996.html]
*[[Korybko]]: [https://korybko.substack.com/p/analyzing-all-28-points-of-the-leaked Analyzing All 28 Points Of The Leaked Russian-Ukrainian Peace Deal Framework].
:*[https://unherd.com/2025/11/the-triumph-of-the-trump-doctrine/ The triumph of the Trump Doctrine]
:*[https://sonar21.com/trump-administration-is-killing-its-proposed-russia-ukrainian-peace-plan/ Trump Administration is Letting Europe Kill Its Proposed Russia/Ukrainian Peace Plan]
:*[[Stanislav Krapivnik]]: [https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/stanislav-krapivnik-peace-agreement Peace Agreement is Impossible Without Trust]

[[File:Help I'm winning.PNG|center|650px|thumb|[https://thefederalist.com/2025/11/24/former-zelensky-spox-ukraine-must-sign-peace-deal-to-avoid-even-greater-losses/ Former Zelensky Spox: Ukraine Must Sign Peace Deal To Avoid Even Greater Losses] After more than four years of [[lies]] about ''both'' [[Russia]] ''and'' [[Ukraine]] from the [[US government]], [[NATO]], the [[intelligence community]], the [[MSM]], and even [[User:Conservative]], it is a bit much to spring the [[truth]] on the [[American]] public now about what has been happening in the [[NATO proxy war in Ukraine|NATO proxy war]] and naturally invites skepticism.]]
*[[Douglas Macgregor]]: [https://youtu.be/K6yxxQIX-64 NATO Lost the War - Empire of Lies Collapses] [[Glenn Diesen]]
:*Times Now World: [https://youtu.be/aHS_qR3AtXg Russia Wipes Out 1,385 Troops Overnite]; [[HistoryLegends]]: [https://youtu.be/ZQ5gEX0V-AY Ukraine SACRIFICED Entire Brigade To Hold Myrnohrad].
:*[https://youtu.be/zQSFSIovs6w?t=278 Zelensky blows cocaine snot rocket]. [[Benny Johnson]]: [https://youtu.be/XJx8R2IOXr4 Zelenskyy Preparing to Flee Ukraine!? Resignation After Massive $100M Corruption Raids on Government].
*[https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/11/28/8009420/ The Telegraph: Trump team to offer deal on occupied Ukrainian territory to Putin]

===China===
*[[Arnaud Bertrand]]: [https://forumgeopolitica.com/article/the-brown-new-deal-part-ii Xi made his most consequential call to a US president ever. Trump missed the entire point.]
*[https://www.asiasentinel.com/p/donald-trump-xi-jinping-strategic-recalibration Trump–Xi and Strategic Recalibration]. The phone call and implications for the Indo-Pacific.
*[[Berletic]]: [https://youtu.be/R0ateBkqi9A Will Japan be East Asia's version of Ukraine?]
*''[[WSJ]]'': [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-after-call-with-china-s-xi-told-tokyo-to-lower-the-volume-on-taiwan/ar-AA1Re5ky After speaking with China’s President Xi, President Trump called Japan’s Prime Minister and advised her not to provoke China over Taiwan].
*[https://vz.ru/news/2025/11/22/1375768.html China reminds Japan of the special rights of the founding states of the UN].
:''"A few days ago, the Chinese authorities decided to remind Japan of the existence of [[United_Nations#Enforcement actions|Articles 53, 77 and 107]] of the [[UN Charter]]–-they create the right of the founding powers of the UN to take unilateral military measures against the “enemy” countries of World War II (Germany, Italy or Japan) in the event that they take steps to resume their aggressive policy. In 1949, these articles were enshrined in the Charter and since then, despite attempts to abandon them, they have remained there unchanged.''

==The [[AI]] bubble==
*[https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/the-ai-bubble-and-corruption-on-a The AI Bubble And Corruption On A Trumpian Scale]
*[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/11/21/musk-admits-artificial-intelligence-trained-from-approved-information-sources-only/ Musk Admits Artificial Intelligence Trained from “Approved Information Sources” Only]
*[[Mark Wauck]]: [https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/gobble-gobble The AI bubble is the mother of all bubbles, the interesting questions are: Will We the People demand accountability, and what measures will the Ruling Class take to avoid that eventuality?]
*[https://substack.com/inbox/post/179453867 How artificial intelligence discovered that the AI boom itself was built on phantom revenue].
*[[Nvidia]]’s [[Narrative]] Breaking Down? [https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/11/nvidias-narrative-cramer-burry-alphabet-tpus-druckenmiller.html]
*[https://trendcompass.substack.com/p/is-openai-flying-too-close-to-the Is OpenAI flying too close to the sun?]
*[https://www.brighteon.com/a2f5ca7d-5162-4885-aa2c-82c68c73d93b Racing Toward AI Godhood - At Humanity’s Expense]

== Islamic lobby CAIR Says Muslims Have Right to Vandalize Christian Churches ==

[[CAIR]] Says [[Muslims]] Have Right to Vandalize [[Christian]] Churches.
Should Muslims have the right to vandalize churches?
October 3, 2025 by [[Daniel Greenfield]].
Muslims vandalized the Uncommon Church in Euless TX with obscene anti-Israel graffiti. Leftists and the Islamist group CAIR quickly came to their defense, complaining that vandalizing churches is really protected by the First Amendment.
After Raunaq Alam, Afsheen Khan and Julia Venzor vandalized the church, the Dallas Observer claimed that prosecuting them “erodes the First Amendment rights of protesters and critics of the nation of Israel.”
The First Amendment protects the rights of people to express their opinion, not to vandalize a church.
The Uncommon Church had put up a flag in solidarity with Israel after Oct 7 as part of its Christian beliefs. Targeting the church over its beliefs is correctly, an anti-religious hate crime.
[https://www.frontpagemag.com/cair-says-muslims-have-right-to-vandalize-christian-churches/][[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]]) 20:29, October 5, 2025 (EDT)
:Thanks D.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 16:39, October 6, 2025 (EDT)

::Dianne3000 said: '''"Targeting the church over its beliefs is correctly, an anti-religious hate crime."'''

::According to [[User:Conservative]], "[[conservative]]s" don't believe in "[[hate crimes]]", and they can pick and choose which [[law]]s to respect. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 20:25, October 6, 2025 (EDT)

::5 days ago on the Aschlafly talk page he posted a restatement of a long running dispute: '''"True conservatives don't believe in the very liberal concept of hate crimes!''' [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:59, October 1, 2025 (EDT) [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=2163540&oldid=2163539]

:[Grok: '''Do anti-Semites view hate crime legislation as a Jewish conspiracy?] "Yes,''' a subset of anti-Semites explicitly promotes the conspiracy theory that hate crime legislation—along with related hate speech laws—is a Jewish-orchestrated plot designed to suppress criticism of Jews, Israel, or Zionism, often framing it as a tool for censorship or control. This narrative frequently ties into broader antisemitic tropes, such as the "international Jewish conspiracy" to dominate institutions like law, media, and government. Proponents often claim these laws were invented or pushed by Jewish organizations like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) to criminalize "truth-telling" about alleged Jewish influence, equating anti-Zionism or general dissent with hate crimes.

:This view appears prominently in '''far-right online spaces''', where users allege that Jews fabricate antisemitic incidents (e.g., hoax hate crimes) to justify expanding such laws, which they say disproportionately target non-Jews or "whites" while shielding Jewish power. For instance, critics have called hate crime categories a "Jewish hoax" to "stifle free speech," or accused Jewish lobbies of using them to equate biblical or cultural critiques (e.g., of Christianity) with antisemitism. Historically, this echoes Nazi-era propaganda portraying Jews as manipulators of legal systems to undermine "Aryan" societies.

:Not all opponents of hate crime laws hold antisemitic views—debates often center on free speech concerns without ethnic targeting—but the conspiracy framing is a recurring antisemitic motif, amplified amid recent global tensions like the Israel-Hamas conflict. Organizations tracking antisemitism, such as the ADL and OSCE, classify these claims as modern iterations of classic blood libels or power myths."

[[File:Triumphant-bullfighter.jpg|thumbnail|center|500px|'''''Olé! Olé! Olé!
 
 
I hereby declare total victory over [[Bigotry]] from 2025 onward!
 
 
]]

::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:56, October 6, 2025 (EDT)
:::I found that, often, editing needs to be done , after Grok answers.[[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]]) 21:06, October 8, 2025 (EDT)
::::Well, yah. The man has been spewing [[Nazi]], [[fascist]], and [[antisemitic]] [[crap]] since [[Conservapedia]] was founded. [[Grok]] will prove all of it. And I got desysoped for pointing it out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 22:08, October 12, 2025 (EDT)
::: "Far-right online spaces". Grok is paranoid and parrots the style of those in denial that only fellow conservatives can tolerate conservatives' speech-styles (online-spaces = exclusion zones). [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 11:57, October 13, 2025 (EDT)
::: BTW, why would bigotry be like a bull? A bull and a bullfighter are known, if for nothing else, for ''direct'' attacks and the thwarting of such. You're letting indirect and veiled attacks proceed unrestrainedly. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 13:03, October 13, 2025 (EDT)
::::It's not my idea. I'm parroting [[Conservapedia]]'s most [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:AugustO&curid=131760&diff=2165853&oldid=2160371 tenacious] [[Nazi]] [[fascist]] and [[antisemitic]] [[troll]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:16, October 13, 2025 (EDT)

::::Not only do we have a rather extensive record of [[hate speech]], we have both extensive records of (1) refusing to apologize to the community for darkening its name and reputation, and (2) efforts to justify or shift blame. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:27, October 26, 2025 (EDT)

===Advanced Propaganda 103 for the [[Low IQ]] MAGA crowd===
[https://youtu.be/iS9vUM2wFEI Zelensky Arrival in Washington for a State Visit].

List of dignitaries greeting Zelensky at the airport:

#[[Monica Crowley]], Chief of [[White House]] Protocol;
#[[Andrei Yermak]], Zelensky [[chief-of-staff]];
#Ukraine Ambassador to the US;
#Zelensky's pilot;
#Zelensky's co-pilot.

<big><big>'''Question:'''</big></big> Can we keep pretending [[Zelensky]] is a president longer than we pretend [[Ukraine]] is a [[democracy]], or even a [[sovereign]] country?

[[File:Zelensky kisses Pelosi.PNG|center|600px|thumb|Why wasn't Nancy out at the airport to greet Sir Winston Zelensky?]]

The entire [[Russian]] population knows that Zelensky is an unelected [[dictator]] who's term of office expired in May 2024. There is no way in hadas that [[Putin]] can meet with him as an "equal", or sign a "[[peace]]" agreement with him. Yet [[Western]] media keeps feeding the unmitigated [[bullcrap]] of a "Putin-Zelensky" meeting. And the Low IQ MAGA crowd as well swallows this obvious [[propaganda]] as substance. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:24, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

==''Patriot Chronicle'': Dem’s Nazi Tattoo Has Sent His Campaign Into A Death Spiral [Video] [https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/bombshell-update-dems-nazi-tattoo-has-sent-his-campaign-into-a-death-spiral-video/]==
What 's the big deal among [[Democrat]] voters? It's the same [[Nazi]] insignia [[Zelensky]]'s bodyguard wears. Even so-called "Conservative" Admin in [[Conservapedia]] have [[Nazi]] slogans on their user pages. [https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#User:Conservative_just_added_Heil_Hitler_to_his_user_page] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:33, October 29, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:Adolf Eichmann.jpg|left|170px|thumb|[[Eichmann]] with ''Totenkopf'' above his visor.]]
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|colspan="3"|<hr/>(left) Zelensky bodyguard with World War II Nazi ''Totenkopf Verbande'' (''Death's Head Formation'') insignia. [https://thegrayzone.com/2022/09/15/zelensky-bodyguards-hitler-patch/] (right) [[Maine]] Senate [[Democrat]] candidate and [[LGBT]] activist [[Graham Pratner]] with ''Totenkopf'' tattoo. [https://mainebeacon.com/graham-platner-stands-right-in-the-fing-way-of-those-who-come-after-lgbtqia-rights/]
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Ever see someone with a tattoo of a tear drop? It signifies the person has killed someone. So what would be the motivation for getting a Death's Head tattoo in Nazi collaboration [[Croatia]], as Pratner claims, against the [[hate]]d, non-[[NATO]] non-[[EU]] [[Serb]]s who still use the same [[Cyrillic]] alphabet the [[Russian]]s use? The language and symbolism of [[Nazi]]s speaks louder than words. This is just what the world needs, more [[ignorant]] [[American]]s, [[Democrat]] and [[Republican]] alike, in positions of leadership. "I was drunk. I was only following orders". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:50, October 29, 2025 (EDT)

:"The truth of Zelensky is like [[Soros]]. He married a [[Christian]] [[girl]]. His [[children]] are [[baptize]]d. People I know in [[Israel]], they say he's no [[Jew]]. All right. He suddenly became Jewish only after the [[election]]. Why? Because he was a [[neo-Nazi]] before." - [https://youtu.be/fBQUs2QQHZU?t=2067 Martin Armstrong]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:47, November 2, 2025 (EST)
[[File:Mass shooter Zelensky.PNG|center|300px|thumb|Zelensky playing the role of a psychotic killer in a [[Hollywood]]-inspired rage against [[democracy]] and mass shooting of the people's elected representatives in [[parliament]]. [https://youtu.be/ehpuSMNNuf0] ]]
[[File:Photo 2025-11-04 23-31-17.jpg|center|300px|thumb|Zelensky posted a photo handing out awards to the National Guard fighters near [[Pokrovsk]] with the emblem of the [[SS Division Das Reich]]. The real denazification operation will begin after the [[AFU]] collapses. They will be the only ones remaining to defend the regime. Either surrender and face trial or die fighting.]]
[[File:Nicholas.Young.Islamist.Nazi.jpg|300px|center|thumb|[[American]] [[jihad]]ist [[Nicholas Young]] with ''Totenkopf'' (''Death's Head'').]]

===[[Robert Barnes]]: Trump support and enthusiasm slipping among “new” Trump voters===
—heavily young and minority voters. These were voters who responded to Trump’s [[peace]] [[rhetoric]] and are now disillusioned with Trump’s [[policy]] switcheroos on this and other matters. [https://youtu.be/V8IqbF_bj4o] Polls show most [[American]]s oppose a new [[war]] in [[Venezuela]], as Trump failed to deliver his promises on ending the [[war in Ukraine]].

Comment: It is not too late to arrest the loss of these [[voter]]s, who gave [[Trump]] the 2024 Presidential victory. [[Conservapaedia]] should put the kibosh on its resident [[racist]], [[Russophobe]], [[neo-Nazi]], [[fascist]] and [[antisemite]] - unless he begins removing his [[information pollution]] from general [[:Categories]] or better still, removes the [[spam]] completely.

Barnes says the turnout of these voters in the [[New Jersey]] & [[Virginia]] gubernatorial elections will tell the story. [[GOP]] losses there will reinvigorate the [[Democrat Party]], as the [[Republican]]s embrace [[Lindsey Graham]] and [[warmongering]] while rejecting [[conservativism]] and [[Tom Massie]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:27, October 31, 2025 (EDT)

Vital question regarding war vs. peace in [[Venezuela]]: What percentage of the [[population]] are without [[flush toilet]]s? And will that comply with [[Thomas Aquinas]]' [[Just War Theory]] as a ''[[casus belli]]''? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:33, October 31, 2025 (EDT)

:Since [[User:Conservative]] put us back on the track of relying on the [[Mainstream media]] as the [[gospel]] [[truth]], this ''[[Politico]]'' article might be worth reading: [https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2025/11/02/where-virginia-will-be-won-or-lost-00632930 Where Virginia will be won or lost]:
:*''"a military veteran and mom named Jenny was feeling “really appalled” by Trump and the government shutdown. She was concerned about whether her husband, an active-duty service member who’d had to attend a pep rally-esque event with Trump, would get paid — and she was voting all Democratic in next week’s election."''
:*''" Two-thirds of Americans say it is at least probably true that the government often deliberately [[lies]] to the people. That distrust cuts across partisan lines: Strong majorities of [[Donald Trump]] voters (64 percent) and [[Kamala Harris]] voters (70 percent) agree. Nearly half of Americans, 49 percent, say that the best times of the country are behind them, according to The POLITICO Poll by Public First. That’s greater than the '''41 percent who said the best times lie ahead''', underscoring a pervasive sense of unease about both individuals’ own futures and the national direction.”"''
:So only '''41% agree with [[User:Conservative]]'s assessment that [[debt slavery]] & [[war]] lie ahead for [[America]]'s glorious foreseeable future.''' (Note: The name of the new monthly [[public opinion]] poll, "Public First", that we'll be subjected to for the foreseeable future should give a clue of its [[Clinton]]esque origin and nature, "Putting People First"). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:44, November 2, 2025 (EST)

*''[[The American Conservative]]'': [https://www.theamericanconservative.com/young-maga-is-souring-on-israel/ Young MAGA Is Souring on Israel]. ''Questions about the “special relationship” are going to continue dogging Republicans at public events.''

==If Mamdani only wins, without crushing - he lost==
-Roy Sigham billions.
-Freebies for all.
-Knocking on 3 million doors.
-Sliwa swallowing votes.
-Liberal anti Trump wave in NYC.[[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 21:13, November 4, 2025 (EST)

:''[[Just the News]]'': [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/socialist-zohran-mamdani-crushes-cuomo-in-nyc-mayoral-race/ar-AA1PORBL Socialist Zohran Mamdani crushes Cuomo in NYC mayoral race]. [[GOP]] is losing the [[economic]] vote among [[GenZ]]ers (who are the majority now). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:11, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:[[Mark Wauck]]: [https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/nyt-trump-mamdani-voters-are-a-thing NYT: Trump - Mamdani Voters Are A Thing].
::''This would tend to confirm what I quoted [[Robert Barnes]] saying last week, that [[GOP]]ers were losing with “new Trump” voters. Major parts of the [[traditional]] [[Dem]] base turned out for [[Mamdani]]—of course. On the other hand, the “new Trumpers”—[[Hispanic]]s and [[Muslim]]s and various [[Asian]]s—who had defected from the Dems to [[Trump]] over [[domestic]] issues ([[crime]], [[border]]s, [[economy]]) appear to have returned to the Dems. Why? The economy and Trump’s [[denialism]] has to be considered a major factor. But Trump’s strong [[foreign policy]] identification with the Anglo-Zionist targeting—ranging from [[tariff]]s and the accompanying [[rhetoric]], to killing for sport on the high seas, to [[genocide]]—of, let’s see, [[Asian]]s, [[Hispanic]]s, and [[Muslim]]s has to have been a factor, as well. I don’t see Trump - Mamdani voters voting GOP in the midterms at this point....''

::''Can the GOP distance themselves from the [[Big Tech]]/[[Wall Street|Big Money]] [[cabal]] and embrace the Great Unwashed? Can redistricting somehow save [[the House]] for the GOP? These are big questions. If the answers are ‘No,’ Trump probably faces [[impeachment]] and the country will face [[political]], [[social]], and [[economic]] turmoil...."''
:: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 09:42, November 5, 2025 (EST)

::''[[Townhall]]'': [https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2025/11/05/last-night-was-a-bloodbath-for-republicans-they-were-blown-out-everywhere-n2665968 Last Night Was a Bloodbath for Republicans. They Were Blown Out Everywhere.]
::''Lessons probably not learned for [[CP]]: Divisive [[hate]]mongering pays off for the Dems, again.''
::[https://youtu.be/tEX_ZN-BhmM Dem BLOWOUT: Latinos, Young Men ABANDON MAGA]

:::The worst part is [[Virginia]], they elected lunatic [[Jay Jones]] who want children of his opponent to be dead as well police officers during 2020 BLM riots as new Attorney General --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 10:19, November 5, 2025 (EST)

::::As [[Russia]] rejects [[communism]], [[America]] embraces it. [https://vaughncordle.substack.com/p/the-socialist-mirage-new-yorks-fall The Socialist Mirage: New York’s Fall and America’s Warning] ''From [[capitalism]]’s capital to [[socialism]]’s cautionary tale.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:52, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:::''[[Post Millennial]]'': [https://thepostmillennial.com/dem-trans-activist-wins-mayoral-race-in-pa-suggested-armed-violence-against-government-is-cominge Dem trans activist wins mayoral race in PA]. ''[[Daily Caller]]'': [https://dailycaller.com/2025/11/05/mamdani-socialists-seize-local-offices-across-us/ Mamdani's Socialist Group Seizes Local Offices Across US].
:::The "[[The importance of wetting your pants‎|sense of urgency"]] is coming too late. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:57, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:I have a confession to make. There's a big part of me who's glad Mamdani won. Even when you take into account what he says he stands for, he's still the lesser evil compared to Cuomo. Mamdani's a young idealist, and hopefully he will grow out of his radical beliefs. Cuomo on the other hand is a cold-blooded career politician who has a track record of tyranny and death. Surely I'm not the only one who feels that way (too bad Trump didn't). And I wouldn't be surprised if a good number of Republicans who otherwise would've voted for Sliwa voted for Mamdani to stop Cuomo, rather than vice versa.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 13:15, November 5, 2025 (EST)

::The result is psychological nationwide: It gives added impetus to [[Progressive]]s. [[Obama]], [[AOC]], ''et al'' are reinvigorated. It also shows many [[conservative]]s and [[MAGA]] types have been living in [[denial]] and dreamland with all [[fake news]] headlines about the demise of the [[Democrat Party]] for a generation.

::Speciifically about [[NYC]]: The Trump [[DOJ]] will probably try to tie his administration and him personally up in [[lawfare]], [[subverting]] his ambitions as they did [[Trump 1.0]]. IOWs, he could come out a winner if he's prevented from implementing his promises/threats, and disaster is avoided. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:24, November 5, 2025 (EST)

::[[Americans for Limited Government]]: [https://dailytorch.com/2025/11/democrats-overperformed-by-double-digits-in-nj-va-routs-with-congressional-midterms-just-12-months-away/ Democrats Overperformed By Double Digits In NJ, VA Routs With Congressional Midterms Just 12 Months Away]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:13, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:::[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/11/05/billionaire-alex-soros-hails-socialist-zohran-mamdanis-victory-the-american-dream-continues/ Soros is celebrating?] I take it back, then.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 18:18, November 5, 2025 (EST)

::::[https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/robert-barnes-on-the-elections Robert Barnes On The Elections]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 20:56, November 5, 2025 (EST)
::::[https://youtu.be/2MjEkOKoHcg Foreign policy HUBRIS and MAGA division w/ Robert Barnes]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:17, November 13, 2025 (EST)

===More [[AI]] [[claptrap]]===
::As far as his election's effect on the midterms, it isn't over until the fat lady sings!

::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_6715ee4b-a455-4b5a-8b01-646bb2738635 As far as Zohran Mamdani's election win, what is the probability that he is a quick failure in office that will help the GOP in the midterms? Give scenarios and their probabilities.]

::'''Summary:''' "Zohran Mamdani has a 45% chance of quick failure (within 12–18 months) that materially helps the GOP in the 2026 midterms, driven mainly by policy gridlock/fiscal crisis (40%) and crime backlash (30%), with lesser risks from scandal or external shocks." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:44, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:::Who cares: [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/11/04/white-house-crypto-and-ai-czar-david-sacks-warns-about-orwellian-ai/ Trump AI Czar: AI is being built as an information control mechanism.]
:::Take your [[AI]] [[trolling]] and stick it where the sun don't shine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:13, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:::*'''The illusion of [[intelligence]]: how [[AI]] manufactures [[Left]]-skewed consensus,''' not [[truth]]. [https://vaughncordle.substack.com/p/the-illusion-of-intelligence-how]
:::*About [[AI]] and understanding '[[Capitalism]]'. [https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/about-ai-and-understanding-capitalism]
:::*Exposing how '[[free speech]]' platforms throttle [[truth]] when it threatens their programmed illusions. [https://vaughncordle.substack.com/p/why-my-expose-on-ai-censorship-was]
:::*''[[The Conservative Treehouse]]'': "voices who put accurate context to our national challenge are targets; they are being siloed, and AI was/is designed to assist in this purpose." [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/11/07/a-smiling-reminder/]
:::*'''It Begins: [[AI]] brain rot is destroying your [[brain]]''' (and it's getting worse). [https://youtu.be/TpiuZdilY78]
:::*[[Garbage in, garbage out]]: [[Elon Musk]]'s [[Grokipedia]] extensively copied from [[Wikipedia]]. [https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/elon-musk-grokipedia-copied-wikipedia]
:::*How bad ideas are destroying [[the West]]. [https://youtu.be/cWSeZ6zqT3E]
:::*'''Failures of [[Ukraine army]]''' blamed on [[artificial intelligence]]. [https://readovka.news/news/233237/] [[Grok]] [[censor]]s [[geopolitical]] content. [https://t.me/two_majors/61174]
:::*The Father of [[Supply Side Economics]] [[Paul Craig Roberts]]: [https://thealtworld.com/paul_craig_roberts/ai-is-a-threat-to-all-of-humanity AI Is a Threat to All of Humanity].
:::*[https://scheerpost.com/2025/11/19/ocasio-cortez-says-we-should-not-be-entertaining-a-bailout-of-ai-industry-as-bubble-fears-grow/ Ocasio-Cortez Says ‘We Should Not Be Entertaining a Bailout’ of AI Industry as Bubble Fears Grow].
::::So evidentially she has no [[Silicon Valley]] donors. When she backs off this position as calls for an [[stimulus]] [[bailout]] when the [[AI]] bubble pops, you might then understand all politics is not [[ideological]]. She is publicly soliciting Silicon Valley donations now with this pronouncement.
:::*[https://archive.is/Pj2Dg#selection-511.0-511.59 NYT: In the A.I. Race, Chinese Talent Still Drives American Research]

:::Address these issues before you [[spam]] more [[AI claptrap]] throughout [[Conservapedia]]. Thank you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:53, November 5, 2025 (EST)
::::[https://chatgpt.com/share/690bbb6f-38a8-800d-86e0-ab477576b987 Did people say that television was being made to be a control mechanism when it first came out?]? "Yes — from the very beginning, some people were suspicious or critical of television and did indeed describe it as a potential control mechanism for shaping public opinion and behavior."

::::As Solomon said,"There is nothing new under the sun." The Luddites will always whine. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:04, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:::::Yep. [[AI]] & [[liberal]] [[lies]] are nothing new.

:::::Despite the warnings from [[conservative]] sources, you've been [[spamming]] [[AI]] like it's an [[opioid]] for two months. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:10, November 5, 2025 (EST)
::::::Is Grokipedia politically right of Wikipedia? Yes. And it will take market share from Wikipedia.

:::::::And there is probably a 50% chance that the right will come out with a popular version of AI by 2030. It took a while, but a conservative came out with my favorite internet browser - the Brave browser. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:32, November 5, 2025 (EST)

::::::::Why don't you start the [[Blue Wave]] article, since you have been [[spamming]] [[Hillary Clinton]]/[[John Brennan]] talking points for 3 1/2 years. Show some [[narcissistic]] [[pride]] in your [[achievement]]s. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:37, November 5, 2025 (EST)

===More neo-Nazi fascist & antisemitic claptrap===
The Conservative Treehouse website, which you cited above and often use on main page right, calls itself a "rag tag bunch of conservative misfits" and its primarily run by an anonymous guy called "Sundance". And its filled with conspiracy nut nonsense. In short, it's not much better than "Simplicius the Thinker" who Andy yanked off of main page right (Anyone who calls himself a "thinker" probably isn't! His drones over Europe are false flags speculation had zero evidential support).

On main page right, why don't we have more Justthenews.com which is run by John Solomon, an award-winning investigative journalist. Mr. Solomon is right-wing without the conspiracy nut flakiness. He's a real solid guy with great reporter skills. Conspiracies happen, but let's have empirical support for them rather than lunatic rantings lacking evidential support.

Sadly, main page right has turned into a trainwreck. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:21, November 7, 2025 (EST)
[[File:True conservatives don't believe in the very liberal concept of hate crimes! Conservative (talk) 18 59, October 1 2025.PNG|center|850px|thumb|[[User:Conservative]] turned [[Conservapedia]] into a [[neo-Nazi]] [[fascist]] and [[antisemitic]] mouthpiece.]]

==''[[Daily Caller]]'': [https://dailycaller.com/2025/11/12/rooke-trump-white-house-h1b-visa-program-immigration-china-students-lara-ingraham/ If Someone’s In Trump’s Ear With Latest Idiotic Ideas, They Need To Be Kicked Out Of White House]==
:''"Trump’s recent sit-down interview with [[Laura Ingraham]] seemed like one bad idea after another, and [[MAGA]] voters are increasingly wondering who is telling Trump that these policies are popular and the right move."''
::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:24, November 12, 2025 (EST)

:*''[[The Federalist]]'': [https://thefederalist.com/2025/11/12/importing-foreign-workers-to-take-americans-jobs-is-the-opposite-of-america-first/ Importing Foreign Workers To Take Americans’ Jobs Is The Opposite Of America First].
:*[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/11/15/the-2025-maga-fracture-and-the-benefactors-behind-it/ The 2025 MAGA Fracture and the Benefactors Behind It].
:*[[Raheem Kassam]]: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtdgnq3mcw The World is Warning Over the Mid Terms. Why?]
:*[[Badlands Media]]: [https://badlands.substack.com/p/schisms-in-maga The MAGA Schism]
:*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVfr0Dz7C4Y Epstein and Kirk Attack Trump from Their Graves]
::*"Trump’s failure to deliver on [[peace]], coupled with his bombastic, threatening [[rhetoric]] towards [[Venezuela]], [[Iran]] and [[Russia]], is losing him support and fracturing his [[MAGA]] base." [https://sonar21.com/ukraines-days-are-numbered/]
:*[https://citizenwatchreport.com/mega-maga-meltdown/# Mega MAGA Meltdown]
:*''[[The American Conservative]]'': [https://www.theamericanconservative.com/is-this-when-trump-became-a-lame-duck/ Is This When Trump Became a Lame Duck?] ''Bad electoral indicators and outrage among the base threaten the Trump program, whatever it may be.''
:*''[[The Federalist]]'': [https://thefederalist.com/2025/11/24/what-does-the-republican-party-even-stand-for/ What Does The Republican Party Even Stand For?]
::Good question. [[Conservapedia]] spent nearly the last four years in support of [[warmonger]]ing, [[Biden foreign policy]], [[Russophobia]] and [[User:Conservative]]'s [[narcissism]].
:...and for those of you who prefer [[MSM]] as the arbiter of [[truth]], perception often becomes [[reality]]:
:*''[[Politico]]'': [https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2025/11/28/the-emerging-maga-fractures-00670643 The emerging MAGA fractures].
::*There is more to [[American foreign policy]] than [[gay bathhouses]] and [[toilet|flush toilets]]:
:::*[https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/11/systemic-entropy-and-power-explaining-the-breakdown-of-world-order.html Systemic Entropy and Power: Explaining the Breakdown of World Order];
:::*[[David Stockman]]: [https://davidstockman.substack.com/p/why-ukraines-meandering-borders-are Why Ukraine’s Meandering Borders Are No Hill For “America First” To Die On, Parts 1 & 2].
:*[[Andrew Sullivan]]: [https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/are-the-wheels-finally-falling-off-7f8l Are The Wheels Finally Falling Off MAGA?]
:''"there are some signs that the entire [[MAGA]] operation is beginning to fray — as its manic transgressions, dumb overreach, and intensifying contradictions become harder to ignore.

:''"Take [[immigration]]. It’s a big success if you look at the [[border]]. So why has Trump’s approval on this issue reversed itself almost entirely from 51 percent approval in February to 51 percent disapproval now? Or look at his other signature issue, [[trade]]: 56 percent disapprove, up 16 points since February. On [[inflation]] — critical to his re-election — over 60 percent now disapprove. On the [[economy]], it’s 58 percent. Only 25 percent of Independents approved of Trump’s performance in an AP poll this week.''

::Comment: In the past, anyone who dared raise issues like this was typically accused of being a "[[Liberal]]" (code word for "[[Jewish]]") and shouted down. That type of hiding your head in the sand gave us 8 years of [[Barack Obama]] and 4 years of an equally braindead [[Joe Biden]] out of Conservapedia's 17 year history. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:04, November 14, 2025 (EST)
:::Looks like a lively debated issue within MAGA.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 16:16, November 14, 2025 (EST)
::::In [[Conservapedia]] we have a Senior Admin who's (in the midst of [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Open_letter_to_Andy_Schlafly&oldid=2172934 "mastering" brain surgery] from AI) all excited about [[AI]] replacing [[human being]]s and [[critical thinking]] while totally ignoring the cost of it:
:::*[[Liberal]] [[communist]] [[Jew]] [[Caitlin Johnstone]]: [https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/ai-companies-are-encouraging-users AI Companies Are Encouraging Users To Believe Chatbots Are People, And It's Insanely Creepy].
:::*[https://youtu.be/bJJA2YA2V9g Woman marries AI character she created after breaking off three-year engagement with boyfriend]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:38, November 14, 2025 (EST)

===[[AI]] and the [[Donald Trump]] [[cult of personality]]===
:::::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA_329733a5-4fde-42f6-86e2-b5f034ff6ca2 How does Donald Trump view AI]: "Donald Trump's views on artificial intelligence (AI) are predominantly positive and strategic, emphasizing its potential as a driver of U.S. economic growth, national security, and global competitiveness—particularly against China. He has described AI as a "superpower" while acknowledging its "alarming" capabilities and risks, such as deepfakes potentially triggering conflicts like nuclear war. Throughout his political career, Trump has advocated for deregulation to accelerate innovation, criticizing oversight as an obstacle, and has actively used AI-generated content in his communications. His stance has evolved from foundational policies in his first term (2017–2021) to more aggressive deregulation and promotion in his second term (2025 onward)." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:55, November 14, 2025 (EST)
::::::Trump has withdrawn support & endorsement from two [[Conservative of the Year]] winners, [[Marjorie Taylor Greene]] & [[Thomas Massie]].
::::::You chose the wrong [[gay bathhouse]]s to fall in love with. You didn't do your [[due diligence]].
::::::We have reached the crisis point where [[User:Conservative]] must now confront and decide between his own personal "[[conservative]]" [[principle]]s and a [[cult of personality]]. All indications are that he has tossed his conservative principles in the trash in favor of joining the [[Hitler Youth]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 03:43, November 15, 2025 (EST)
:::::::This President is such a coward. At least Bill Buckley had the courage to say that he was trying to purge "fascists" from the conservative movement during his crusade against the JBS. Trump can't even do that, because he knows that would instantly turn much of his base against him. So now he's gaslighting them into thinking it's about longtime supporters suddenly and inexplicably becoming haters. And he's deluded himself into thinking that won't cost the GOP the midterms.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 10:03, November 15, 2025 (EST)
::::::::IMO, he's overestimating his ability to shape [[public opinion]]. Of course, he'll always have unprincipled [[cult]]sts like [[User:Conservative]] who are willing to jump off the cliff while '[[Seig Heil]]ing'. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]
::::::::Word is, [[Rubio]] & [[Keith Kellogg]] were picked by [[Miriam Adelson]] as a condition of her $250 million donation. Most presidents actually do not get to pick all members of their cabinet. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:03, November 15, 2025 (EST)

::::::::In [[Trump 1.0]], Trump picked [[Rex Tillerson]] as [[Secretary of State|SoS]]. Tillerson is guy who made [[Vladimir Putin]] by [[negotiating]] with him the [[Sakhalin|Sakhalin II]] deal. Trump wanted to make [[peace]] with [[Russia]], but after [[Comey]], ''et al'', offed [[Mike Flynn]], it made Tillerson useless.

::::::::What can be said now? Trump has made an accommodation with the [[Deep State]]? (except for those who [[conspire]]d against him)? The accommodation was obvious (and the knowledge that Trump would be re-elected) since May 2024, when [https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/david-cameron-meets-trump-at-mar-a-lago/ David Cameron visited Mar-a-Lago] and Trump wasn't investigated or charged with a [[Logan Act]] violation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:35, November 15, 2025 (EST)

::::::::This is a complete mishandling of the [[MTG]] situation. Rather than withdraw his support, he should have appointed her UN Ambassador or Ambassador to [[Togo]] or something. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:49, November 16, 2025 (EST)
:::::::::This was a big time screw up. First he withdraws his support from [[MTG]] over her insistence on a vote over the [[Epstein Files]], then he flip-flops on releasing the Epstein Files. He owes her an apology, an invitation to the [[Oval Office]], and probably the [[Presidential Medal of Freedom]], as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:10, November 18, 2025 (EST)

----
'''Derailing his own [[stupid]] thread'''

Donald Trump is a three times winner of Conservapedia's Conservative of the year and probably will win in 2025 too. The somewhat flakey MTG (conspiracy theories) won merely once. Massey merely won once. Do I wish that Trump had a smaller federal budget? Of course. Do I wish he were less of a troll king his second term and more of consensus builder. Yes. But at the end of the day, he is head and shoulders above Kamala Harris so I voted for him again. Trump is certainly not perfect, but he is a better than a Democrat. And I certainly don't lionize Trump like some hyper Russophilia type people do with Vladimir Putin. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:39, November 15, 2025 (EST)

:Hey, you started this section as an [[AI]] [[cult of personality]] type. And no, I do not "lionize" [[Putin]]. You are a [[malicious]] baldfaced [[liar]] in addition to being an [[idiot]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:45, November 15, 2025 (EST)
[[File:Stupid people.PNG|center|450px|thumb|In the [[Conservapedia]] [[meritocracy]], calling someone an "idiot" is how you get a promotion.]]

::AI is a tool. Is it a perfect tool? No. Can one use it in a constructive way? Yes. The Donald and I believe that AI can be a useful tool. Guys like tools. And we don't throw out our hammers due to people misusing tools or because some tools are less than perfect. Making tools better is the American way and the way of humanity for over 6,000 years. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:58, November 15, 2025 (EST)

:::That is EXACTLY the problem: From the beginning, you have not used [[AI]] in a "constructive way" see [[Open letter to Andy Schlafly]], up to this very moment with you beginning this thread.

:::What makes you an [[idiot]] is, you do not know when to just shut up, but seem hell bent on proving to the world what an [[idiot]] you are. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]

:Who cares how many times he's won? The way he's acting right now he's headed toward winning '''RINO''' of the Year in 2025. Also, we can always revoke his prior wins, as we did with John Kasich.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 11:48, November 16, 2025 (EST)
::Maybe we should just change it to "Flavor of the Month". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:22, November 18, 2025 (EST)
[[File:Rcp 11-17-25.PNG|650px|thumb|center|Trump Approval is at the lowest it has ever been.]]
::Too many people listening to [[MSM]] & [[globalist]] rot. [[User:Conservative]] should have allowed [[CP]] to continue building its conservative alternative base. Now they don't know where to turn. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 20:04, November 17, 2025 (EST)

::Remember when [[User:Conservative]] plastered all over MPR his [[racist]] [[crap]] about [[Covid]] coming from eating bats? Look at some of this [[claptrap]] (he should be in the dock alongside [[Dr. Fauci]] for [[crimes against humanity]]):
::*[[Essay: Covid-19 vaccine mandates and Muslim immigration. Always look at the bright side of things!]]
::*[[Essay: Why does the president of the Philippines Rodrigo Duterte require Philippine citizens to wear a mask and a face shield and the wimpy Anthony Fauci not stress wearing a mask and a face shield?]]

::'''Question:''' Why is [[User:Conservative]] allowed to gum up the works with crazy opinions inside General [[Categories|Categories]]? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of what Essay space is for?

==[[Stockman]]: Affordability Socialism—The GOP’s Reward For Abandoning The Old Time Religion==
% Change Since January 2021:

Average weekly earnings: +19.3%.

Groceries: +24.5%.

Services: +24.8%.

Shelter: +27.1%.

Energy: +30.9%. [https://davidstockman.substack.com/p/affordability-socialismthe-gops-reward-af0] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:21, November 7, 2025 (EST)

''[[The Federalist]]'': [https://thefederalist.com/2025/11/07/if-republicans-dont-focus-on-the-economy-theyll-lose-in-the-midterms-too/ If Republicans Don’t Focus On The Economy, They’ll Lose In The Midterms Too].

[https://thefederalist.com/2025/11/13/trump-should-learn-from-j-d-vance-when-it-comes-to-talking-about-prices-and-affordability/ Trump Should Learn From J.D. Vance When It Comes To Talking About Prices And Affordability].

*''[[Daily Caller]]'': [https://dailycaller.com/2025/11/20/republicans-democrats-senate-house-aca-employer-individual-premium-hike-midterms/ GOP Walking Right Into Democrats’ Carefully Laid Trap].
:''As the political world turns its sights to the [[2026 midterm elections]], one issue will outweigh all the rest: '''affordability'''.''
*''[[Daily Caller]]'': [https://dailycaller.com/2025/11/25/democrats-economy-affordability-rural-areas-voters-abigail-spanberger-latinos/ As Grocery Prices Remain High, Democrats See Opening And Plan To Spend Eight Figures Wooing Certain Demographics]

*[https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/an-odd-settlement-on-rent-fixing The Rent Is Too Damn High: Did Trump Just 'Bless' Using AI to Jack Up Rents?]

*[https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/uproar-over-4-dollar-fries-shows-just-how-severely-americas-standard-living-has The Uproar Over 4 Dollar Fries Shows Just How Severely America's Standard Of Living Has Eroded].

== Rockwell Rule ==

Going forward, conservatives should follow the Rockwell Rule when it comes to countries such as China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and Venezuela, all who we know the CIA wants regime change in them as they are listed as foreign adversaries by federal law, the first such countries to be labeled as such in peacetime to my knowledge. More information on the Rockwell Rule [https://www.conservapedia.com/Rockwell_Rule here].--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 11:28, November 15, 2025 (EST)
[[File:Power-rice-rodham-clinton-2.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Architects of the humanitarian catastrophe in the [[Libyan war]] - [[Samantha Power]] (top) [[Susan Rice]] (left) and [[Hillary Clinton]] (right). [[President Obama]] initially billed US intervention "to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe," however after [[Gaddafi]]'s murder the Black-African [[slave]] [[trade]] re-emerged in open slave markets in Libya. [https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/14/africa/libya-migrant-auctions/index.html] [[NATO]] was used to give cover for the [[Obama administration]]'s direct involvement.]]
::The Rockwell Rule makes no sense. If these countries have deficiencies, they should not be above reproach - especially if one believes in liberty such as freedom of speech.

::Also, in some cases regime change is good such as regime change in Nazi Germany or regime change/improvement in Imperial Japan.

::And while the Mises Instute does say some legitimate things, they also have this article posted on their website: [https://mises.org/mises-wire/ten-reasons-not-abolish-slavery?d7_alias_migrate=1 Ten reasons not to abolish slavery], Mises Institute article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:27, November 15, 2025 (EST)

:::Oh, so now you are pro-[[globalist]], pro-[[interventionist]], pro-[[regime change]] [[war]], etc. etc.

:::Thanks for clarifying that. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:41, November 15, 2025 (EST)
{{Cquote|It's also very important to understand that the United States is a fundamentally [[liberal]] country and we believe that we have a right, we have a responsibility, and we have the power to run around the world and remake the world in [[America]]'s image. The [[foreign policy]] establishment, the [[Republican Party]], the [[Democratic party]], they believe that and that is what has motivated our foreign policy in large part since the [[Cold War]] ended.|||[[John J. Mearsheimer]]. }}

[[User:Conservative]]: Thank you for clarifying your support for [[liberalism]] and the [[uniparty]]. [https://youtu.be/uvFtyDy_Bt0?t=558] Now if you can only lessen the vindictiveness & [[maliciousness]] in the way you express your views in Essays and elsewhere, and [https://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:User_complaints#Admitted_troll your deliberate targeting of other editors and internet users to limit their productive editing and waste their time], that would be helpful. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:28, November 23, 2025 (EST)

Your persistent downplaying and ridicule of the [[User_talk:Aschlafly#climate change vs nuclear war as the biggest threat to the planet|threat of nuclear war exposes you]] as a [[liberal]] [[climate hoax]]er. Alternatively, you're just an [[idiot]] who doesn't understand anything. {{Unsigned|RobSmith}}

== Mexico rebels against Claudia Sheinbaum ==

Thousands of Mexicans from Gen Z stormed and attacked National palace to revolt against [[Claudia Sheinbaum]] and accused her for being too resilient with cartels, who killed another mayor.

[https://apnews.com/article/mexico-generation-z-protest-9b0a8b1461a1ec47cce696d25e04feb5 Thousands protest crime and corruption in Mexico City as ‘Gen Z’ protests gain momentum]

--[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 12:24, November 16, 2025 (EST)

:Sounds like a [[CIA]]-directed [[communist]] plot. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:19, November 16, 2025 (EST)

:: [[Claudia Sheinbaum]] is already communist --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 15:15, November 16, 2025 (EST)

:::Yah, a [[regime change]] operation in [[Mexico]] doesn't make a lot of sense. But the [[idiot]]s in charge of [[US foreign policy]] & the [[intelligence community]], getting young people to pressure the Mexican government to expand [[federal]] power outside [[Mexico City]] (which is probably economically impossible) they probably regard as a good idea.

:::IOWs, anything billed as a "spontaneous" youth rebellion - be it in Bangladesh, Napal, Indonesia, Malaysia, Armenia, Ecuador, etc, - is suspect. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:27, November 16, 2025 (EST)

:[https://t.me/TheIslanderNews/62591 Israel strongly condemns the anti-Semitic and sexist insults directed at the President of Mexico].
:Could be an effort to stir up sentiment against [[Spanish]] speaking people. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:05, November 16, 2025 (EST)

:[[Zerohedge]]: [https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/beginning-revolution-populist-revolt-shocks-mexico Beginning Of A Revolution? Populist Revolt Shocks Mexico].
:I dunno; I'm still not convinced it looks organic. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 09:34, November 17, 2025 (EST)
::hmmm, [https://www.prometheanaction.com/the-monday-brief-british-intelligence-lures-the-young-to-kill-trumps-revolution-november-17-2025/ As Trump's economic policies finally deliver real gains to working Americans, British intelligence has launched a new operation—targeting Gen Z and MAGA's youth wing.]
:::''"[[Charlie Kirk]]'s death had to be the end of the [[youth]] wing of [[MAGA]]. Thus, you see the exaggerated [[media]] push around [[Nick Fuentas|Fuentas]], the [[Marjorie Taylor Green]] split, the [[Candace Owens]] raves, and the emergence of [[Zohran Mamdani]] as the new promoted champion of alienated and desperate young people. All of it is aimed at splintering [[MAGA]] and particularly this very significant force of organized young people. As the blogger [[Tom Luongo]] characterized the last month, happy holidays from your friends at [[CIA|Langley]] and [[GCHQ]]...."'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:22, November 17, 2025 (EST)
::[https://scheerpost.com/2025/11/19/gen-z-protests-in-mexico-or-coordinated-chaos/ Gen-Z protests in Mexico or coordinated chaos?]

::[https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/a-looming-mexican-coup A Looming Mexican Coup?]

==The Epstein Circus Will Shatter Our Last Delusions [https://www.racket.news/p/the-epstein-circus-will-shatter-our]==
:''Do we want to know how the world really works, or is it too disgusting to countenance?'' - [[Matt Taibbi]]
[[File:Pelosi-tweet-epstein-indictment-many-faves-implicated.jpeg|right|320px|thumb|Christine Pelosi issued a heads up to loyal Democrats: "It is quite likely that some of our faves are implicated." Same is true among [[GOP]] office holders & donors.]]
Evidentially so. [[User:Conservative]] killed the 18,000 daily readers we had following this stuff 3 years ago to less than 3k today. All because of his [[narcissism]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:03, November 17, 2025 (EST)

*[https://www.racket.news/p/the-jeffrey-epstein-story-is-beginning Epstein Story is Beginning to Smell Like Russiagate].

*[https://felixabt.substack.com/p/epstein-power-and-the-secret-forces Epstein, Power, and the Secret Forces Shaping the World]

*[https://t.me/geopolitics_prime/59996 Patrick Byrne: ‘They offered me to be Epstein 2.0’]
:According to [[Patrick Byrne]], “there are low digit thousands” of global [[power brokers]] already compromised on video doing grotesque acts
:*Patrick Byrne Says [[Rick Grenell]] Is Compromised [https://youtu.be/WG9sjSN7me8]
*[https://slaynews.com/news/leaked-emails-link-epstein-rothschild-backed-israeli-cyberweapons-deal/ Leaked Emails Link Epstein to Rothschild-Backed Israeli Cyberweapons Deal]
::Actually , your last link about Ehud Barak, he is the changed-to-liberal-man, Netanyahu’s foe who wanted to give Arafat 90% in 2000
On June 19, the Israel State Archives released material showing that during Dec. 2000 negotiations, then-Prime Minister Ehud Barak was prepared to give up Israeli sovereignty over parts of the Old City of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount.
[https://www.jns.org/jns/israel/23/7/19/303916/].
Note, that the communication between Epstein and Ehud Barak were allegedly between 2013-2016. In 2013, Ehud Barak concluded his tenure as Israel's Minister of Defense and subsequently retired from Israeli politics to pursue a career in the private sector, including international business and advisory roles. With all the years and efforts of conspiracy theorists, after so long, there are still no proof of links intelligence with Epstein. [[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 21:12, November 23, 2025 (EST)
:I love terminology like this, "to pursue a career in the private sector, including international business and advisory roles." Makes it sound like he's opening a [[KFC]] franchise in [[Romania]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 08:37, November 25, 2025 (EST)

*[https://youtu.be/gcFnjdnQNk8 Epstein, Dershowitz CONSPIRED To Crush John Mearsheimer]

=== Jasmine Crockett offers pathetic explanation for wrongly accusing Republicans of taking money from Jeffrey Epstein ===

Jasmine Crockett offers pathetic explanation for wrongly accusing Republicans of taking money from Jeffrey Epstein
https://nypost.com/2025/11/20/us-news/jasmine-crockett-gives-pathetic-explanation-for-falsely-accusing-republicans-of-accepting-money-from-epstein/

She didn't even apologize.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 01:30, November 21, 2025 (EST)

=== Filthy Chomsky: anti-Istael, anti-Zionist chummy with convicted Epstein===
[https://justsayingitoutloloud.blogspot.com/2025/11/the-unmasking-of-noam-chomsky-dirty.html The Unmasking of Noam Chomsky: A Dirty Alliance with Jeffrey Epstein and Fanatical Anti-Israel Stance]. [[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]]) 21:44, November 23, 2025 (EST)

==28 pt peace plan==
It used to be 20, now its 28. The added points allow for [[Zelensky]] et al to flee with their cash.

[[NATO]] is approaching its [[Saigon]]/[[Kabul]] moment. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:43, November 19, 2025 (EST)
[[File:Flushing Zelensky down a golden toilet.PNG|center|650px|thumb|]]

== MTG resigns ==

[https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/11/breaking-marjorie-taylor-greene-announces-resignation-congress-video/ MTG is resigning effective January 5.] She's had enough of the betrayals.

Trump has until then to fix this. If MTG goes, his base will never forgive him. And his presidency will be over.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 22:35, November 21, 2025 (EST)

:He's already a [[lame duck]]. Why he's trying to expand his "base" among [[neocon]]s. [[liberal]]s, [[warmonger]]s, [[Democrat]]s, etc. is prolly related to establishing some sort of legacy, or still running for the [[Nobel Peace Prize]]. Who knows? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 22:40, November 21, 2025 (EST)

:*[[NBC News]]: [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/donald-trump-marjorie-taylor-greene-resignation-rcna245307 Trump says he would 'love' to see Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene return to politics at some point].
::It's a bit late for that. The damage is already done. How's that for a non-apology "apology" - blaming the victim. "She just needed sometime off". It's easier to admit a mistake than to try and cover it up. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:19, November 23, 2025 (EST)

== Finally: Trump designates (after exposed Qatar's $20B to Islamicize US universities) Muslim Brotherhood FTO ==

[[Qatar]]'s Shadow Empire Crumbles.
Trump's Explosive Terror Strike: Muslim Brotherhood To Be Declared a Foreign Terror Organization.
President Trump ignites the final assault on the [[Muslim Brotherhood]], branding them terrorists to dismantle their pro-Hamas "civilization jihad" and expose Qatar's billions flooding US campuses with radical influence, will democracy's defenders prevail against this global menace?[https://www.jfeed.com/news-world/muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-designation][[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 00:57, November 24, 2025 (EST)

:Yes, it's been a long time in coming. Now what do we do with all the Muslim Brotherhood appointees [[Obama]] made in the federal government? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 07:16, November 25, 2025 (EST)

==[[Candace Owens]] update==
*[https://www.instagram.com/p/DRcVmdKDVdH/ Project Veritas: DOJ texts: “We need to blackmail Candace Owens”]
:- “We need to [[blackmail]] her (Candace) faster” - Mary Barr Daly, former senior DOJ official, daughter of former AG [[Bill Barr]].

::Rob, don't forget to sign your posts, it's the little signature icon third from left after the Bold/Italic icons. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 23:46, November 29, 2025 (EST)

Christian Nationalism

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Talk:Christian Nationalism

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== This stub is highly misleading ==

"historical and traditional teaching of Jesus Christ" No. Christians are told to acknowledge separation of church and state (Mark 12:17) and that Jesus's kingdom is '''not of this world''' (John 18:36). The whole essence of "Christian Nationalism" is attempting to institute a Christian utopia in this sinful mortal world via enforcing "biblical" dogmas from the civil power. Jesus and the Apostles taught no such thing. Did Paul tell the Roman Gentile converts in the [[Epistle to the Romans]] to go out and influence the government of Pagan Rome so it can promulgate Christian values? No!

The church fathers? Who? The Apostolic Fathers or the Nicene-era Fathers?

The Great Commission has nothing to do with taking over secular governments and turning them into mouthpieces for "Christian" doctrine. There is not one verse in the entire New Testament where the Apostles advocate such a theocratic ideology. If antiquity (plus the [https://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_end-time_Antichrist_Daniel_1260_prophecy 1,260 years] of sheer papal rule) has proven anything, it is that theocracy destroys humanity rather than uplifting it. The early Zionist ultranationalists, whose concept of theocracy, liberty, and "rebellion = godliness," and who were antithetical to Jesus (remember, many of the Jews thought the Messiah would overthrow the Romans and establish a Jewish utopia on Earth), parallels modern-day "Christian Nationalism"—history isn't kind to infamous rebels Judas of Galilee and Simon bar Kokhba, nor will it be to Donald Trump and "right-wing" populists. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|Rev. 22:13]]''''' Monday, 11:32, September 11, 2023 (EDT)

== Women Voting ==

The major disagreement I have Biblically with Christian nationalists concerns women voting. They make an issue of women not supposed to teach according to 1 Timothy 2:12. Thing is, the word translated woman there should have been translated wife, not woman. It's the Greek word ''gune'' which is translated wife 92 of 221 times in the KJV.[https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/gune.html]

There are cases Biblically of women leading nations (Deborah - Judges 4), of women prophesying (Philip's seven daughters - Acts 21:9), producing some of the major hymns/praises to GOD in the Bible (Miriam - Exodus 15; Mary - Luke 1; Deborah - Judges 5; Hannah - 1 Samuel 2), and of teaching one of the great leaders of the early Church (Priscilla with her husband Aquilla teaching Apollos - Acts 18). Clearly there are cases where women Biblically made a difference in Israel or the early Church, so the Paul teaching should be understood as not affecting virgins or widows. Widows in fact were a part of Church leadership whose requirements rivaled those of Bishops and Deacons, see 1 Timothy 5, and caring for widows was a major issue for the early Church (Acts 6).

Ultimately, Republicans were the main ones who gave women the right to vote in 1919 with the 19th Amendment, more Democrats voted against the 19th Amendment than Republicans. As a diehard conservative historical Republican, I take seriously defending the right of women to vote and disagree with the Christian nationalists on this subject. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 22:49, November 29, 2025 (EST)

Talk:Christian Nationalism

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== This stub is highly misleading ==

"historical and traditional teaching of Jesus Christ" No. Christians are told to acknowledge separation of church and state (Mark 12:17) and that Jesus's kingdom is '''not of this world''' (John 18:36). The whole essence of "Christian Nationalism" is attempting to institute a Christian utopia in this sinful mortal world via enforcing "biblical" dogmas from the civil power. Jesus and the Apostles taught no such thing. Did Paul tell the Roman Gentile converts in the [[Epistle to the Romans]] to go out and influence the government of Pagan Rome so it can promulgate Christian values? No!

The church fathers? Who? The Apostolic Fathers or the Nicene-era Fathers?

The Great Commission has nothing to do with taking over secular governments and turning them into mouthpieces for "Christian" doctrine. There is not one verse in the entire New Testament where the Apostles advocate such a theocratic ideology. If antiquity (plus the [https://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_end-time_Antichrist_Daniel_1260_prophecy 1,260 years] of sheer papal rule) has proven anything, it is that theocracy destroys humanity rather than uplifting it. The early Zionist ultranationalists, whose concept of theocracy, liberty, and "rebellion = godliness," and who were antithetical to Jesus (remember, many of the Jews thought the Messiah would overthrow the Romans and establish a Jewish utopia on Earth), parallels modern-day "Christian Nationalism"—history isn't kind to infamous rebels Judas of Galilee and Simon bar Kokhba, nor will it be to Donald Trump and "right-wing" populists. —[[User:LT|<code>'''LT'''</code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|Rev. 22:13]]''''' Monday, 11:32, September 11, 2023 (EDT)

== Women Voting ==

The major disagreement I have Biblically with Christian nationalists concerns women voting. They make an issue of women not supposed to teach according to 1 Timothy 2:12. Thing is, the word translated woman there should have been translated wife, not woman. It's the Greek word ''gune'' which is translated wife 92 of 221 times in the KJV.[https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/gune.html]

There are cases Biblically of women leading nations (Deborah - Judges 4), of women prophesying (Philip's seven daughters - Acts 21:9), producing some of the major hymns/praises to GOD in the Bible (Miriam - Exodus 15; Mary - Luke 1; Deborah - Judges 5; Hannah - 1 Samuel 2), and of teaching one of the great leaders of the early Church (Priscilla with her husband Aquilla teaching Apollos - Acts 18). Clearly there are cases where women Biblically made a difference in Israel or the early Church, so the Paul teaching should be understood as not affecting virgins or widows. Widows in fact were a part of Church leadership whose requirements rivaled those of Bishops and Deacons, see 1 Timothy 5, and caring for widows was a major issue for the early Church - Acts 6).

Ultimately, Republicans were the main ones who gave women the right to vote in 1919 with the 19th Amendment, more Democrats voted against the 19th Amendment than Republicans. As a diehard conservative historical Republican, I take seriously defending the right of women to vote and disagree with the Christian nationalists on this subject. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 22:49, November 29, 2025 (EST)

Examples of Bias in Wikipedia

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'''Bias in Wikipedia''' is a danger to a free society. This list covers a wide range of bias in the English [[Wikipedia]], nicknamed "Woke"-ipedia, website. Although Wikipedia claims to have credibility because anyone can edit it, the website represents the views of its most strident and persistent, and that is, [[liberal]] editors and many who push the agenda of [[Big Pharma]], which Wikipedia denies exists and instead reroutes the entry to "Big Pharma conspiracy theories." '''''Wikipedia has entries on Big Tobacco, Big Oil, and [[Big Tech]], but pretends that "[[Big Pharma]]" is merely a conspiracy theory!'''''

Editors on Wikipedia are virulently [[Opposition to Donald Trump|anti-Trump]], insisting on smearing [[Elon Musk]] because he supported [[Trump]]. On [[Christmas]] Day 2016 ([[NYC]] time), Wikipedia's entry for U.S. Court of Appeals Judge Maryanne Trump Barry prominently and falsely declared: "Her younger brother is [a] loan shark and liar [[Donald Trump]],"<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maryanne_Trump_Barry&type=revision&diff=756673396&oldid=756136858</ref> something which remained for an unusually-long forty-eight minutes before it was corrected.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maryanne_Trump_Barry&diff=prev&oldid=756677726</ref>

Wikipedia is also heavily influenced by paid public relations professionals who do not disclose their conflicts of interest. This list, together with the sublists linked below, provides a wide variety of examples of the resulting bias.

A [[cabal]] of editors exists who work together to insert leftist bias into articles and to hide embarrassing facts about left-wing political figures, while at the same time smearing conservatives. Scandals involving left-wing personalities are labeled "[[Conspiracy theory|conspiracy theories]]", for example, ''Spygate'' (conspiracy theory by Donald Trump) or "controversies" such as ''IRS targeting controversy'' or ''Hillary Clinton email controversy'', whereas those involving conservative personalities are labeled "scandal", for example ''Trump-Ukraine'' scandal.

Biased editors' standard tactics include claiming conservative-leaning sources as being unreliable (non-<abbr title="Reliable Source">RS</abbr>). This also applies to centrist sources that are simply being truthful. The best way to observe Wikipedia is by reading an article's Talk page. One can see editors disparaging sources contrary to the mainstream media talking points. You will see scandals involving left-wing figures are typically dismissed as conspiracy theories. You will also see many derogatory comments about conservative figures, especially Donald Trump and Republican congressmen, senators, judges, and even many international conservative politicians like [[Narendra Modi]], [[Jair Bolsonaro]], and all other international Trump-backers fighting against the [[globalist]] agenda. Editors who fight for balanced coverage eventually get permanently blocked, as well as a months-long IP block.

[[File:Jimbo.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Co-Founder of Wikipedia [[Jimmy Wales]]]]
On August 23, 2011, David Swindle published an article at ''[[FrontPage Magazine]]'' detailing how Wikipedia has been taken over by the [[Leftist|political left]]; he cited statistics relating to Wikipedia's articles on [[Ann Coulter]], [[Michael Moore]], [[Glenn Beck]] and [[Keith Olbermann]], which helped demonstrate that Wikipedia has a leftist bias, and he discussed the [[liberal]]/leftist cultural foundations of Wikipedia.<ref name="frontpagemag.com">[https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/102601/how-left-conquered-wikipedia-part-1-david-swindle HOW THE LEFT CONQUERED WIKIPEDIA, PART 1]</ref>

For example, Swindle wrote:

<blockquote>"Consider Ann Coulter versus Michael Moore. Coulter’s entry (on August 9, 2011) was 9028 words long.* Of this longer-than-usual entry, 3220 words were devoted to “Controversies and criticism” in which a series of incidents involving Coulter and quotes from her are cited with accompanying condemnations, primarily from her opponents on the Left. That’s 35.6 percent of Coulter’s entry devoted to making her look bad. By contrast, Moore’s entry is 2876 words (the more standard length for entries on political commentators), with 130 devoted to “Controversy.” That’s 4.5% of the word count, a fraction of Coulter’s. Does this mean that an “unbiased” commentator would find Coulter eight times as “controversial” as Moore?"<ref name="frontpagemag.com"/></blockquote>

The project was initiated by [[Atheism|atheist]] [[entrepreneur]] [[Jimmy Wales]] and the [[Christian]] [[philosophy]] [[professor]] [[Larry Sanger]] on January 15, 2001.<ref>http://www.nndb.com/lists/288/000092012/</ref> An irony of Internet history is that Jimmy Wales refers to himself as Wikipedia's "spiritual leader".<ref>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/09/wikimedia_pron_purge/</ref> Despite its official "neutrality policy," Wikipedia has a strong liberal bias. In his article titled ''Wikipedia lies, slander continue'' [[journalism|journalist]] [[Joseph Farah]] stated Wikipedia "is not only a provider of inaccuracy and bias. It is wholesale purveyor of lies and slander unlike any other the world has ever known."<ref name="wnd.com">http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83640</ref> Mr. Farah has repeatedly been the victim of defamation at the Wikipedia site.<ref name="wnd.com"/> In December 2010, [[Christian apologetics|Christian apologist]] [[JP Holding]] called Wikipedia "the abomination that causes misinformation".<ref name="tektonticker.blogspot.com">http://tektonticker.blogspot.com/search/label/Wikipedia</ref> Although Wales "made his original fortune as a pornography trafficker", he has since tried to clean up his image and demands retractions when people report this fact.<ref name="ReferenceA">{{cite web|url=https://www.wnd.com/2012/12/heres-your-correction-wikipedia-founder/|title=Here's Your Correction, Wikipedia Founder|date=December 17, 2012|accessdate=December 26, 2012|work=WND}}</ref>

[[Mark Dice]] has dedicated chapters of at least two of his books to examples and analyses of the rampant left-wing bias in Wikipedia.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTymmHPb9F0</ref>

Co-founder Larry Sanger, who left the site, later acknowledged that Wikipedia does not follow its own neutrality policy.<ref>[https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/larry-sanger-co-founder-of-wikipedia-agrees-that-it-does-not-follow-its-own-neutrality-policy/ Uncommon Descent, December 1, 2016, Posted by Barry Arrington]</ref><ref>[https://www.dailywire.com/news/wikipedia-co-founder-sites-neutrality-no-longer-exists-favors-leftism Wikipedia Co-Founder: Site’s Neutrality No Longer Exists, Favors Leftism]</ref>

Most examples have been moved to the sublists. Please visit the sublists to learn about the variety of bias in Wikipedia.

== List of examples of liberal bias in Wikipedia ==
Below is a growing list of around 300 examples of [[liberal bias]], [[deceit]], edits stemming from corrupting conflicts of interest, frivolous [[gossip]], and blatant errors on Wikipedia. [[Jimmy Wales]] was the leading founder of Wikipedia. [[Christian apologetics|Christian apologist]] [[JP Holding]] called Wikipedia "the abomination that causes misinformation".<ref name="tektonticker.blogspot.com"/> Because the list of examples is so long, it is divided into sublists based on the subject matter. Some of the most egregious examples are in these sublists, which are well worth reading. At the risk of duplication, some of the most interesting examples from the sublists are also repeated on this main list to give an overview. (We limit this main list to up to three examples from each sublist.)

==Examples of Bias ==
=== Abortion ===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Abortion]]
[[File:B Bhutto.jpg|right|thumb|200px|[[Benazir Bhutto]]]]
#Wikipedia's articles on [[genocide]],<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Genocide&oldid=744025805</ref> [[murder]],<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Murder&oldid=744013669</ref> and [[homicide]]<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homicide&oldid=744087425</ref> have absolutely no mention of abortion,<ref>With the exception of a single mention in the article "Murder", which states that the availability of abortion may affect murder rates of born humans.</ref> even though it has killed way more people than any other genocide.<ref>Ertelt, Steve (November 6, 2012). [https://www.lifenews.com/2012/11/06/abortion-has-destroyed-117-million-people-in-the-united-states/ Abortion Has Destroyed 117 Million People in the United States]. ''LifeNews.com''. Retrieved October 12, 2016.</ref>
#Wikipedia has a large article detailing anti-abortion violence committed around the world,<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence</ref> but there is no article about pro-abortion violence. There is no article for "Pro-choice violence"<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-choice_violence</ref> and "Pro-abortion violence" bizarrely redirects to the "Abortion debate" article.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-abortion_violence</ref> Before being redirected, the "Pro-abortion violence" article was biased towards downplaying the reality of violence committed by supporters of abortion.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro-abortion_violence&oldid=298226073</ref> For example, while the "Anti-abortion violence" article matter-of-factly begins: "Anti-abortion violence is violence committed against individuals and organizations that provide abortion." ... the "Pro-abortion violence" article dismissively began: "Pro-abortion violence (or pro-choice violence) is a term used in the pro-life movement to characterize acts of violence committed by abortion practitioners or abortion advocates against those who oppose abortion or against pregnant women. The former is regarded as factual while the latter is just "a term used in the pro-life movement."
# [[Wikipedia]] falsely claimed that [[conservatives]] opposed to [[abortion]] are described as "anti-baby" or "anti-family". [[Wikipedia]] removed this bias only after it was identified here.<ref>That statement remained on the article from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conservatism&diff=173316636&oldid=173314241 November 23] to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conservatism&diff=next&oldid=179870132 December 26, 2007]</ref>

===Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and Defund the Police===
====Antifa====
Wikipedia is very sympathetic to Antifa, saying that they are "seeking to combat fascists and racists such as neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other far-right extremists." Wikipedia said the lootings in the cities and the murders of black children didn't link to Antifa, even though they obviously did. That is a lie by Wikipedia. Another lie is that they say "Individuals involved in the movement tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, anti-fascist and anti-state views, subscribing to a range of democratic left-wing ideologies such as anarchism, communism, Marxism, social democracy and socialism. The words "Right-wing extremists" are mentioned hundreds of times in Wikipedia's article about Antifa, but the word "Left-wing extremists" aren't even mentioned at all.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)</ref> Wikipedia also said that right-wing extremists are fanning the flames, and that right-wing politicians such as [[Donald Trump]] and [[William Barr]] are just lying about it, but the "pro-democracy protesters", that is, Antifa, is being treated cruelly by brutal police.

====Black Lives Matter====
Even though the BLM is a terrorist group, Wikipedia calls them a "civil-rights movement fighting to end police brutality against black people and to keep the communities safe".<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter</ref> BLM even murdered several African-American children and Trump supporters, and Wikipedia still calls them "anti-hate". They endorsed [[Joe Biden]], they back all global dictators, and they are being funded by international Communist governments.<ref>https://nypost.com/2020/09/17/blm-co-founder-teams-up-with-pro-chinese-communist-party-group/</ref>

====Defund the Police====
Wikipedia also praises the "Defund the Police" slogan by saying "Defund the police" is a slogan that supports divesting funds from police departments and reallocating them to non-policing forms of public safety, democracy, and community support, such as social services, youth services, housing, education, healthcare and other community resources."<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defund_the_police</ref> The reality is, that criminals take advantage, and the cities get looted even more by radical liberal left-wing mobs, and that Trump gets blamed for it by [[Joe Biden]]. Wikipedia also says that policing is like promoting racism and defunding the police may help end police brutality and racism.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defund_the_police#Racism</ref>

===Religion===
[[File:Omar_Mateen.jpg|thumb|150px|right|[[Omar Mateen]]]]
====Anti-Christianity====
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Anti-Christianity]]
[[File:Regular church goer.PNG|right|300px|thumb|"regular church goer"]]
#A Wikipedia editor Qworty devoted 13,000 edits to cleaning up articles on pro-pagan topics before being permanently banned<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive797#User:Qworty|title=Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive797|accessdate=July 9, 2013}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://illusionofmore.com/montags-grin-wikipedia/|title=Montag’s Grin: A Look at Wikipedia|first=David|last=Newhoff|date=June 5, 2013|accessdate=Sept. 20, 2013}}</ref> and then outed as Robert Clark Young by the website salon.com.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.salon.com/2013/05/17/revenge_ego_and_the_corruption_of_wikipedia/|title=Revenge, ego and the corruption of Wikipedia|date=May 17, 2013|work=salon.com|accessdate=July 9, 2013}}</ref> The failure to crack down on his work earlier drew criticism from the pagan website wildhunt.org.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://wildhunt.org/2013/05/anti-pagan-wikipedia-editor-outed-by-salon-com.html|title=Anti-Pagan Wikipedia Editor Outed by Salon.com|date=May 22, 2013|accessdate=July 9, 2013}}</ref>
# Wikipedia's article on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=You_Can_Run_But_You_Cannot_Hide_International&oldid=524629239 You Can Run But You Cannot Hide International], the youth rock ministry of Bradlee Dean, is an attack page which was criticized in a WND column.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.wnd.com/2012/12/whos-afraid-of-bradlee-dean/|title=Who's afraid of Bradlee Dean|date=December 14, 2012|work=WND|accessdate=December 26, 2012}}</ref> In response, [[Jimmy Wales]], Wikipedia's founder, demanded a retraction regarding his past as "a pornography trafficker". Instead, WND published detailed documentation of Wales' Boomis pornography website.<ref name="ReferenceA"/>
# Wikipedia has a lengthy entry on "Jesus H. Christ,"<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jesus_H._Christ&oldid=174239815</ref> a term that is an idiotic mockery of the [[Christian]] [[faith]]. Wikipedia used to say that the term is "joking" and "comedic", and relishes repeating disrespectful uses of the term, without admitting that the phrase is an anti-[[Christian]] mockery. Meanwhile, Wikipedia does not describe mockery of any other religion as "humorous".
# Arguments for atheism are prominently featured in Wikipedia's atheism article, but it fails to mention that [[United States|American]] [[atheist]]s [[Atheism and Uncharitableness|give significantly less to charity than American theists on a per-capita basis, even when church giving is not counted for theists]].<ref name="en.wikipedia.org">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism</ref> In addition, Wikipedia's article on atheism fails to mention [[Atheism and deception|how key proponents of atheism have been deceptive]]. Wikipedia's article on [[atheism]] also fails to mention that [[Christianity and Science|Christianity and not atheism was foundational in regards to the development of modern science]]. Wikipedia's article attempts to associate atheism with scientific progress.<ref name="en.wikipedia.org"/> Finally, Wikipedia's article on atheism fails to mention that [[Atheism and suicide|atheism is a causal factor for suicide]].
# Alleged cop killer in [[Australia]] Dezi Freeman was "a regular [[church]]goer".<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porepunkah_police_shootings</ref>

====Islam====
{{See also|Rape jihad}}
* An editor included the June 2016 Orlando shootings on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks List of Islamic terrorist attacks] and an edit war ensued.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/06/30/wikipedia-removes-orlando-shooting-islamist-terror-attack-list/|title=Wikipedia Removes Orlando Shooting From ‘Islamist Terror Attack’ List|work=breitbart.com|date=June 30, 2016|accessdate=July 8, 2016}}</ref>
* ACT! for America is classified under Wikipedia's section on "Islamophobia."<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ACT!_for_America&oldid=860017411</ref>
===History===

[[File:Wiki bias VS overwhelming Arab Nazi Palestine.jpg|thumb|Wiki bias VS overwhelming Arab Nazi Palestine]]

Not that complex, on its mainstream pro Nazism.
Especially in overwhelming Arab Nazi Palestine and anti-Jewish bigotry at its core. Yet, biased-Wikipedia, in its leading paragraph:
Concentrating first on some minority among the minority intellectuals.

See: [[Nazism among Arab Palestinians]]. [[World_War_II#Nazism_at_Arab_Palestine|Summary - conclusion]] .

===Bestiality/zoophilia===
[[File:Sheep.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Domestic sheep]]
See [[Wikipedia on bestiality]]

As of July 18, 2012, Wikipedia's article on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia zoophilia/bestiality] has an entire section on "arguments for zoophilia" plus pictures depicting zoophilia as well as a section on "arguments against zoophilia". No worthwhile encyclopedia in existence has an article on zoophilia/bestiality with an entire section on "arguments for zoophilia" plus pictures depicting zoophilia. As of September 24, 2011, Wikipedia has a "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law Zoophilia and the law"] article which has a section on the impact of zoophilia laws where eight alleged negative impacts of zoophilia laws are given, but no positive impacts of the laws are given.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law#Impact_of_laws|title=Impact of laws section of "Zoophilia and the law"|date=July 17, 2012|accessdate=July 18, 2012}}</ref>

As of July 12, 2022, Wikipedia's article on zoophilia does not have "arguments for zoophilia" and does not have "alleged negative impacts of zoophilia laws".

===Conservative Banning===
Wikipedia is known for threatening to block conservatives who edit their liberally biased articles. Usually, with a warning.
Conservatives repairing this bias are labeled as disruptive editing.

===Conservapedia smears===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Conservapedia smears]]

# Wikipedia displays pervasive bias in making [[liberal]] statements with citations that do not support the statements, as illustrated by its entry about [[Conservapedia]].<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservapedia</ref> Wikipedia states that "Conservapedia has asserted that Wikipedia is 'six times more [[liberal]] than the American public', a statistic which has been criticized for its poor extrapolation and lack of credibility." But the two citations for this claim of "poor extrapolation and lack of credibility" are articles that say nothing about extrapolation or credibility and instead tend to confirm the [[liberal bias]] on Wikipedia.
# For nearly two months, from at least as early as July 15 through September 9, 2007, Wikipedia classified its critics, including [[Conservapedia]], as "Fanatics and Special Interests."<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticism_of_Wikipedia&oldid=144741567# Fanatics_and_special_interests</ref>
# In 2011 Wikipedia User Σ organized systematic vandalism of Conservapedia using the English Wikipedia IRC. This only came to light when he was nominated to be a Wikipedia Administrator and users there debated whether his actions were a good or bad thing to do.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/%CE%A3&oldid=516746349</ref>

===Conservative personalities and politicians===
[[File:Hannahgiles.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Hannah Giles]]
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Conservative Personalities]]

#On November 2, 2006, days before the mid-term Congressional elections, an anonymous IP address traced to the ''[[New York Times]]'' changed [[U.S. House of Representatives]] [[Majority Leader]] [[Tom DeLay]]'s Wikipedia biographical entry from "a prominent member of the [[Republican Party]]" to "Grand Dragon of the Republican Party."<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tom_DeLay&diff=prev&oldid=85320018 Wikipedia/Tom DeLay, Revision as of 20:19, 2 November 2006, IP 199.181.174.146]</ref><ref>[http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=New+York+Times&location= WikiScanner]</ref>[dead link]
# Wikipedia has thousands of obscure pages for individuals that the public never heard of or recognized. Conservative undercover journalist [[Hannah Giles]] is not given her own page, most likely due to the fact she has taken on the liberal establishment and won, and Wikipedia's liberal-biased editors do not want to give her credit for that. A search of Hannah Giles gives her an obscure paragraph in what Wikipedia titles the ''ACORN 2009 undercover videos controversy''.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Giles#Hannah_Giles_and_James_O.27Keefe</ref>
# For [[liberal]] politicians, Wikipedia uses flattering photos. But for [[conservative]] politician [[Sally Kern]], about whom [[Homosexuality|homosexual]] activists have had a hissy fit, from 2009 to 2011, Wikipedia used an absurd, uncharacteristic photo.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2011_February_26#File:Sally_Kern_2009.jpg</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sally_Kern&type=revision&diff=405321478&oldid=400257198</ref>
# In December of 2019 Wikipedia deleted its page for the conservative [[Independent American Party]] claiming "lack of notability".<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Independent_American_Party</ref> However, pages for several Communist, Socialist, Neo-Nazi, and other very small political parties with very few members remain and are regularly maintained despite them having virtually no impact in the American political sphere.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States</ref>

===WW2===
'''Massive [[Polish]] guilt and some Wikipedians' propaganda'''
An estimated of 200,000 Jewish victims died either at the hands of Poles or with Polish complicity.
Wikipedia has permitted a few organized editors to basing their text on non reliabe-source mainly promoting one Polish writer with an agenda to minimize and rewrite facts.
A "small group of actors hijacks Holocaust-related entries on online encyclopedia to whitewash role of Polish society in genocide and bolster stereotypes about Jews."
<ref>Itamar Eichner, [https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hksrnqlts Wikipedia 'intentionally' distorts history of the Holocaust, study claims] ''Ynet'' Feb 12, 2023<blockquote>
Paper demonstrates how small group of actors hijacks Holocaust-related entries on online encyclopedia to whitewash role of Polish society in genocide and bolster stereotypes about Jews.</blockquote></ref>
Essay<ref>Grabowski, J., & Klein, S. (2023). Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust. The Journal of Holocaust Research, 37(2), 133–190. [https://doi.org/10.1080/25785648.2023.2168939]</ref> uncovers the systematic, intentional distortion of Holocaust history on the English-language Wikipedia, the world’s largest encyclopedia. In the last decade, a group of committed Wikipedia editors have been promoting a skewed version of history on Wikipedia, one touted by right-wing Polish nationalists, which whitewashes the role of Polish society in the Holocaust and bolsters stereotypes about Jews. Due to this group’s zealous handiwork, Wikipedia’s articles on the Holocaust in Poland minimize Polish antisemitism, exaggerate the Poles’ role in saving Jews.
===Anti-Israel===
[[File:How Wikipedia’s Pro-Hamas Editors Hijacked the Israel-Palestine Narrative. (Arab lobby).jpeg|thumb|How Wikipedia’s Pro-Hamas Editors Hijacked the Israel-Palestine Narrative. (Arab lobby). <ref>Ashley Rindsberg, "[https://www.piratewires.com/p/how-wikipedia-s-pro-hamas-editors-hijacked-the-israel-palestine-narrative How Wikipedia’s Pro-Hamas Editors Hijacked the Israel-Palestine Narrative]." Oct 23, 2024.</ref><ref>John Sexton, "[https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2024/10/25/a-group-of-pro-hamas-wikipedia-editors-have-rewritten-the-site-n3796291 A Group of Pro-Hamas Wikipedia Editors Have Rewritten the Israel-Palestine Narrative]. October 25, 2024</ref><ref>
Aaron Bandler, [https://jewishjournal.com/news/united-states/376157/wikipedia-editors-place-a-near-total-ban-on-calling-gaza-health-ministry-hamas-run/ Wikipedia Editors Place a Near Total Ban on Calling Gaza Health Ministry “Hamas-Run”].
By a 3:1 margin, editors decided “Gaza Health Ministry” should be used without any qualifier. ''Jewish Journal'', October 25, 2024.</ref>]]

There is an anti-Israel gang that, for years, has opposed sources, decided what is an RS, and pushed to ban users, some working in cooperation with a long-time infamous radical anti-Israel administrator.<ref>[https://david-collier.com/project-wikipedia/ Antisemites are trying to delete my Wikipedia page], Dec 3, 2021.</ref><ref>https://www.theisraelgroup.org/wikipedias-war-against-israel . [https://freebeacon.com/issues/wikipedias-anti-israel-editors-unmasked/ Wikipedia's Anti-Israel Editors Unmasked] - Free Beacon, Nov 20, 2019</ref>

There has been a consistent long-time Anti-Israeli subversion, noted at least since 2007,<ref>[https://www.aish.com/jw/mo/48964486.html Anti-Israeli Subversion on Wikipedia], May 17, 2008</ref> suppression,<ref>https://wikibias.wordpress.com/</ref> <ref>[http://www.think-israel.org/wikipedia.arabismracism.html PAN-ARABISM'S RACISM AND WIKIPEDIA BIAS] compiled and edited by Bernice Lipkin</ref> biases, inaccuracies, article by article - examples given in 2010.<ref>[https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/338216 The Bias of Wikipedia], Ari Lieberman, '"INN'', Jul 23, 2010</ref>

Project Wiki exposed how Wikipedia is breeding Armies of Anti-Semites.<ref>[https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/project-wiki-exposes-how-wikipedia-is-breeding-armies-of-anti-semites/2021/01/01/ Project Wiki Exposes How Wikipedia Is Breeding Armies of Anti-Semites], David Israel, JP, January 1, 2021</ref>

The coordinating 'club' has been applying double standard,<ref>Jordan Cope, [https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-823957 It’s time to correct Wikipedia’s dangerous anti-Israel bias - opinion]. ''The Jerusalem Post'', Oct 10, 2024.<blockquote>
A clear double standard exists, whereby for anti-Israel terrorists, Wikipedia frequently buries the devils in the details and places the burden on readers to find them.</blockquote></ref> improved tricks since [[Oct 7 War]]<ref>Aaron Bander [https://jewishjournal.com/cover_story/371545/7-tactics-wikipedia-editors-used-to-spread-anti-israel-bias-since-oct-7/ Seven Tactics Wikipedia Editors Used to Spread Anti-Israel Bias Since Oct. 7]. ''Jewish Journal'', May 23, 2024. 
Examining Wikipedia content and how the site operates matters — it is the world’s go-to site for information:
<blockquote>
1. Part of the “Background” section of the “Israel-Hamas war” Wikipedia article states: “Numerous commentators have identified the broader context of Israeli occupation as a cause of the war.” These “commentators” are mostly anti-Israel figures, in my opinion.
2. Adding “anti-imperialism” into Hamas’ list of ideologies and removing “antisemitism” in the Hamas Wikipedia article’s infobox.
3. Treating the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry’s numbers as being reliable.
4. Considering Mondoweiss, an anti-Zionist site, a “marginally reliable” source.
5. The Wikipedia article on the UCLA pro-Hamas encampment states that Jessica Seinfeld and Bill Ackman donated to pro-Israel counterprotesters involved in the violence on the night of April 30-May 1. Their denials are not included in the article.
6. Excluding the Oct. 7 massacre from the “List of Islamist terrorist attacks” Wikipedia article because it’s “original research.”
7. On Wikipedia’s main page on May 7, the “Did you know” section stated that “Walid Daqqa wrote several works of prison literature, including a children’s novel about a boy who uses magical olive oil to visit his imprisoned father.” Daqqa’s conviction for commanding a terror cell that brutally murdered an Israeli soldier is not mentioned.</blockquote></ref> through 2024.

Re 'Zionism' page.
This [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zionism&oldid=1180581125] [https://archive.is/Jv2r6] is the wiki version (10.17.23) before the already organized cabal of dozens of Israelophobic and even antisemitic editors got a boost sometime after Oct 7 atrocities to promote the [[The Genocide Lie: Why the Accusation Against Israel Collapses Under Scrutiny|"genocide" lie]]. This already biased, has been vandalized to defame even further and including it in the main section.

In June 2024, a coordinated operation on Wikipedia by a linked anti-Israel Arab "palestine" operatives groups/lobbies shielded by radical liberals (having a grip on Wikipedia for long), have succeeded finally in banning ADL with relation to Israel "Palestine."<ref>Anti-Israel club at Wikipedia working for years in cahoots (such as Hamas-nick Nableezy, the bigot Nishidani backed by Zero0000[https://www.danielpipes.org/comments/260150] [[https://archive.ph/S9exV]]), shielded by a prolific adminstrator [https://www.jewishpress.com/news/media/the-israel-group-launches-battle-to-expose-anti-israel-wikipedia-editors/2019/11/21/] [[https://archive.ph/OfdAw]].
Not including
''Euro- Med'' founded by Ramy Abdu - Hamas lobbyist [https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/1c8gksl/thoughts_on_this_post_from_rdestiny/?rdt=42283] [[https://archive.ph/moqDN]], the other club: ‘Ivana and Samer_BHH, the two people who praised Wikipedia editors’ handling of the ADL, are active members of “Tech for Palestine.’ [https://jewishinsider.com/2024/06/wikipediai-israeli-palestinian-conflict-zionism-adl-encyclopedia/] [[https://archive.ph/4GXB2]]
Wikipedia “palestine” Islamist editor ‘[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Iskandar323] ‘Iskandar323’ behind push to [https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/artc-wikipedia-declares-adl-unreliable-on-israel-palestine-conflict-antisemitism] [[https://web.archive.org/web/20240718010416/https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/artc-wikipedia-declares-adl-unreliable-on-israel-palestine-conflict-antisemitism]] ban ADL - the "nakba"
([https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/knockoff-nakbas/ *][https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/05/the-other-nakba/257196/ *][https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4597344,00.html *][https://www.thetower.org/article/there-was-a-jewish-nakba-and-it-was-even-bigger-than-the-palestinian-one/ *][https://www.jpost.com/opinion/the-nakbas-553448 *][https://www.ynetnews.com/article/s1bpi7cl5 *][https://www.nydailynews.com/2023/11/08/nakbas-history-ethnic-cleansing/ *][https://www.jns.org/palestinians-are-addicted-to-an-endless-cycle-of-nakbas/ *][https://www.sdjewishworld.com/2023/05/24/multiple-nakbas-imposed-upon-american-jews/ *]) [https://web.archive.org/web/20240719194957/https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2024/06/wikipedia-finds-adl-is-generally.html denial page creator], has been defending al Jazeera: On June 19, 2024 he argued: “On Nuseirat, why are we trusting the NYT over AJ?” [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1229959496] [[https://archive.ph/xvrKS]] [https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2024/06/0626-links-pt2-squads-forever-war-child.html?m=1#comment-6489198948] [[https://archive.ph/ZDxAv]]
‘Concern, dismay’ by Wikipedia attack on ADL, 43 Jewish groups tell Wikimedia Foundation. “Fundamentally, Wikipedia is stripping the Jewish community of the right to defend itself from the hatred that targets our community,” the groups wrote. [https://www.jns.org/concern-dismay-by-wikipedia-attack-on-adl-43-jewish-groups-tell-wikimedia-foundation/ JNS] [[https://archive.ph/5boF1]]</ref>

In July 2024 it was elaborated in ''Tablet'' Mag.:<ref>[https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/wikipedia-jewish-problem Wikipedia’s Jewish Problem].
The site seems to be intentionally trafficking in disinformation related to Jews, Israel, and Zionism.
Isabella Tabarovsky, July 24, 2024, ''Tablet Magazine''.</ref> "Wikipedia’s Jewish Problem."
<blockquote>
Wikipedia’s Jewish Problem.'
'The site seems to be intentionally trafficking in disinformation related to Jews, Israel, and Zionism.'
'These days, Wikipedia ranks its “perennial” go-to sources—The New York Times, The New Yorker, NPR, MSNBC, and BBC—as “generally reliable” and extends the ranking to the openly partisan far-left outlets like Haaretz, The Intercept, The Nation, and The Guardian. Al Jazeera and the NGO Amnesty International (both known for their anti-Israel bias) are rated as “generally reliable” as well. The far-left Israeli NGO B’Tselem isn’t included on this list, but, as Aaron Bandler notes in Jewish Journal, Wikipedia editors have staunchly defended its reliability and referenced it in articles. On the other hand, conservative sources such as Fox News, The New York Post, Washington Examiner, and Washington Free Beacon are coded various shades of unreliable, with the Beacon getting the “generally unreliable” grade—one notch above “deprecated.”
This ranking tells us what kind of slant we can expect in Wikipedia’s articles about Israel, Zionism, and anti-Zionist antisemitism. In the wake of Oct. 7, “generally reliable” sources have trafficked in disinformation, as when The New York Times splashed the Al Ahli hospital bombing hoax over its front page, helping spark violent anti-Jewish riots across the world; or when The New Yorker legitimized Holocaust inversion—a long-running staple of anti-Zionist propaganda originating in the 1960s USSR. Conservative outlets, on the other hand, have produced reporting that tells Israel’s side of the story and have looked far more critically at the anti-Israel campus protests. The “generally unreliable” Washington Free Beacon has arguably produced the most extensive reporting on the protests. Wikipedia editors, however, are warned against using the Beacon as a source, which is why of the 353 references accompanying Wikipedia’s article on the pro-Palestinian campus protests, the overwhelming majority is to liberal and far-left sources plus Al Jazeera.
One-sided sources are just one among a host of problems in Wikipedia articles related to Oct. 7 and the war that followed. In a World Jewish Congress report released in March, Dr. Shlomit Aharoni Nir documents numerous ways in which relevant Wikipedia entries have become de facto anti-Israel propaganda. From biased framing to omissions of key facts to stressing anti-Israel examples while ignoring the Israeli side of the story, to promoting fringe academic perspectives on Zionism—Wikipedia’s editors and administrators have actively worked to subvert the site’s neutrality policy on this topic. As in other instances, conflicts and bullying behavior predominate, with Israeli editors describing uniquely “hostile and disrespectful” treatment. Israeli users, who are most knowledgeable about the Oct. 7 events, often found themselves locked out of editing key articles, which were open for editing only to users who’d made over 500 edits. Several editors told Aharoni Nir that there were a number of activists who operated anonymously and were “responsible for the anti-Israel tone.”
Among some of the most troubling instances Aharoni Nir documented were calls for deletions of crucial articles. These included articles describing individual massacres on Oct. 7, such as those at Netiv HaAsara, Nir Yitzhak, Yakhini, and other kibbutzim and moshavim, as well as articles describing Hamas beheadings. Some of the calls succeeded. So did the call to erase the article about Nazism in Palestinian society (a “documented historical and sociological phenomenon,” notes Aharoni Nir). By contrast, the article normalizing equations between Israel and Nazi Germany—a propagandistic concept that has been weaponized against Jews for decades––remains on the site. Meanwhile, Wikipedia’s Arabic site openly abandoned the principle of neutrality last December when it temporarily went dark in solidarity with the Palestinians, then added the Palestinian flag to its logo and posted a pro-Palestinian statement at the top. Israel’s Wikipedia community protested. Wikimedia Foundation—you guessed it—did nothing.
Many, undoubtedly, will note the irony of the ADL being attacked by the Wikipedia woke, given the criticism the organization and its head Jonathan Greenblatt have faced from the Jewish community for their progressive tilt and failure to focus on left-wing antisemitism. But the ADL has long been in social justice warriors’ crosshairs. In 2020, 100 hard-left groups signed an open letter demanding that the left “drop the ADL” as an ally. Ten days after Oct. 7, the director of the pernicious Institute for the Critical Study of Zionism attacked the ADL for daring to stand up against anti-Israel hate. And in January, The Nation published a piece whose title, “The Anti-Defamation League: Israel’s Attack Dog in the US,” read like a Pravda headline circa 1970. The Wikipedia editors who won the battle over downgrading the ADL used this piece to back up their arguments, along with articles in the hard-left Guardian and Jewish Currents, further confirming that the action had been driven not by an honest consideration of sources but political bias.
In response to a letter by 43 Jewish organizations requesting it review the decision, Wikimedia issued a press release referring to Wikipedia’s supposedly inviolable mechanisms that must be preserved to keep it “neutral and free from institutional bias.” All content decisions are made by “Wikipedia’s volunteer community” in a transparent manner, with clear processes in place, and Wikimedia dares not interfere in the magic of that process.</blockquote >

The ridiculous background of pallyweid "gaza genocide[sic]" wikipedia page.

*Anti-Israel lobby: organized, coordinated edits.
*Racist Francesca Albanese as the main source.
*Then, recruited, some fascistic terror PFLP linked so called "human rights" groups, as "RS," Al Mezan etc.
*The first edit based on Urban dictionary...
*Sockpuppeting.
[https://on-wiki-facts.blogspot.com/2025/05/the-ridiculous-background-of-pallyweid.html On Wiki, facts]

In March 2025, ADL exposed the organized cabal of over 30 Wikipedia editors in their coordinated anti-Israel longtime edits. As well as blantly [[antisemitic]].<ref>[https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-846563 Thirty editors are altering Wikipedia articles with antisemitic bias]. ''JPost'', Mar 18, 2025</ref> Thus has been especially terrible under the Egyptian Arab: Maryana Iskander.

In "From Neutrality to Bias: Wikipedia’s Quiet War on Israel", [[Ivan Bassov]] elaborates on:
How a Collaborative Encyclopedia Rewards Persistence Over Truth;
The Slow Erosion of Balance;
Rewriting the Past: The “Palestinian” Problem;
Why the Usual Fixes Fail,
The New Problem: Truth in the AI Age;
<ref>[https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/from-neutrality-to-bias-wikipedias-quiet-war-on-israel/ From Neutrality to Bias: Wikipedia’s Quiet War on Israel]. Ivan Bassov, ''Times of Israel'', Aug 17, 2025</ref>

[[File:Genocide lie on Wikipedia by an organized Israelophobic cabal.jpg|thumb|Genocide lie on Wikipedia by an organized Israelophobic cabal]]

The anti Israel distortion and falsehood got so bad on 'zionism' page and the "[https://justsayingitoutloloud.blogspot.com/2025/09/the-genocide-lie.html genocide lie]" that even liberal Wikipedia's Jimmy Wales intervened in Nov 2025.<ref>[https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-872598 Wikipedia's 'Gaza Genocide' article an example of how neutrality needs to be improved, founder says]. ''JPost'', Nov 3, 2025.
"Jimmy Wales warned the "Gaza Genocide" article needed immediate attention, as it "failed to meet the neutrality standards of Wikipedia.""</ref>

''Wikipedia Flood'''s <ref>The Wikipedia Flood
@WikipediaFlood [https://x.com/WikipediaFlood/status/1985693010772771289 Nov 4, 2025]</ref> reaction:
<blockquote>Suddenly Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales "discovers" that ONE Wiki article on Gaza is a pro-Hamas mess.
Two reasons for this "discovery":
1. Republicans in Congress;
2. Donors. Look at the calendar.
Don't expect anything more. This is an empty gesture.</blockquote>
The ''Wikipedia Flood '' has been documenting plenty of cases.<ref>[https://x.com/wikipediaflood Wikipedia Flood on X]. [https://thewikipediaflood.blogspot.com/?m=1 Wikipedia Flood]</ref> (Including on the [[Apartheid slur]]).

===Coronavirus===
Wikipedia's Coronavirus articles have no criticism of China, instead, they blame Trump. They say that China warned the world<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_mainland_China</ref> and that Trump waited too long<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump</ref>. The reality is, Chinese doctors were silenced by Xi Jinping just for trying to spread the truth, and Wikipedia absurdly doesn't mention it. They even said that Trump wants to force the nation to inject dangerous chemicals to get rid of coronavirus! They also make Biden look anti-China, but he would never hold China accountable for the coronavirus. Trump, on the other hand, looks like pro-China, even though he will hold China accountable for the coronavirus. Whenever Trump criticizes China, they [Wikipedia and the mainstream media] call it "coronavirus misinformation", basically sympathizing with China. <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States</ref> Wikipedia doesn't even mention the doctors that were silenced by the CCP<ref>https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/03/asia/coronavirus-doctor-whistle-blower-intl-hnk/index.html</ref>, but instead, praises China by saying " China announced the discovery of a cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan." However, Trump and Putin are heavily criticized ("Meanwhile, President Donald Trump largely downplayed the threat posed by the virus and claimed the outbreak was under control.") However, in China's coronavirus article, they say that there was no new cases and the virus was under control.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_mainland_China</ref>

===Trump Family Separation Policy===

# Such family separations have occurred under previous Presidents, and therefore the article should not be specifically named after Trump. <ref>https://apnews.com/26b88518310f47018b724e200b28e88f/Origins-of-family-separation-issue-stretch-back-many-years</ref>
# Trump has never had any specific “Family Separation Policy”, another reason why this article title is highly misleading. Contrary to common misrepresentation in the media, the “Zero Tolerance Policy” had nothing to do with family separations, but was only about following the law, to prosecute those who break the law by entering the country illegally. <ref>https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry</ref>
# The family separations discussed in the article were a direct consequence of a court ruling on the Flores Settlement on July 6th, 2016, while Obama was President. Trump had no role or involvement in that. <ref>https://www.aila.org/infonet/flores-v-reno-settlement-agreement</ref>

===Criminals and mentally ill editors===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Criminals and mentally ill editors]]
#Adam Lanza, who conducted a mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in December 2012, has been identified as editing Wikipedia particularly regarding guns and other mass murders.<ref>{{cite web|title=Report: Computer user believed to be Adam Lanza discovered|url=https://www.salon.com/2013/07/01/report_computer_user_believed_to_be_adam_lanza_discovered/|first=Alex|last=Halperin|date=July 1, 2013|accessdate=August 27, 2013|work=Salon.com}}</ref>
#Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik edited English Wikipedia under the username "Conservatism". He also edited the Norwegian Wikipedia.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-05-06/In_the_media#Anders_Behring_Breivik.27s_English_Wikipedia_account_revealed|title=Signpost|date=May 6, 2013|accessdate=August 27, 2013}}</ref>
#The the United States Federal Government claimed, among other things, that Bruce Edwards Ivins, a suspect in the 2001 anthrax attacks who apparently committed suicide in July 2008, had edit-warred on Wikipedia under the username Jimmyflathead.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2008-08-09/Ivins%27_edits|title=Signpost|date=August 8, 2008|accessdate=August 27, 2013}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/01/us/anthrax-killer-case|title=Strange sorority fixation was link that led to anthrax suspect|work=CNN|date=October 1, 2011|accessdate=August 27, 2013}}</ref>

=== Dictators ===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Dictators]]

# Wikipedia sympathizes with brutal Venezuelan dictator [[Nicolas Maduro]] by calling him "His Excellency" in the infobox, and by calling him "active president".<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Maduro</ref> He even screamed at [[Donald Trump]]<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GoG37D9ujc&ab_channel=TheStraitsTimes</ref>, and he sent military vehicles to run over protesters.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4QnAe4qs_g&ab_channel=GlobalNews</ref><ref>https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article229853509.html</ref>
# Wikipedia makes a slight mention of though undercuts the significance of [[Adolf Hitler]]'s opposition to [[Christianity]] that has been recorded,<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Views_on_religion Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia]</ref> and doesn't, if barely at all admits that his public praise of Christianity was only for power purposes,<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Hitler_on_Christianity_and_%22Positive_Christianity%22 Religious view of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia]</ref> as that had been part of an infiltration of churches to use for spouting Nazi propaganda.<ref>[https://www.gotquestions.org/was-Hitler-a-Christian.html Was Hitler a Christian | GotQuestions.org]</ref>
# In the last paragraph in the header of Vladimir Putin's article, Wikipedia says "Under Putin's leadership, Russia has experienced democratic backsliding. Experts do not generally consider Russia to be a democracy, citing jailing of political opponents, curtailed press freedom, and the lack of free and fair elections. Russia has scored poorly on Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index, the Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index, and Freedom House's Freedom in the World index (including a record low 20/100 rating in the 2017 Freedom in the World report, a rating not given since the time of the Soviet Union). Human rights organizations and activists accuse Putin of persecuting political critics and activists as well as ordering them tortured or assassinated; he has rejected accusations of human rights abuses. Officials of the United States government have accused him of leading an interference program against Hillary Clinton in support of Donald Trump during the U.S. presidential election in 2016, an allegation which both Trump and Putin have frequently denied and criticized."<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin</ref> But in Xi Jinping's Wikipedia article, Wikipedia states "Xi is the first General Secretary born after the establishment of the People's Republic of China. Since assuming power, Xi has introduced far-ranging measures to enforce party and national discipline and to impose internal unity. His anti-corruption campaign has led to the downfall of prominent incumbent and retired Communist Party officials, including members of the Politburo Standing Committee. He has also enacted or promoted a more assertive foreign policy, particularly with regard to China-Japan relations, China's claims in the South China Sea, and its advocacy for free trade and globalization. He has sought to expand China's African and Eurasian influence through the Belt and Road Initiative. As the central figure of the fifth generation of leadership of the People's Republic, Xi has significantly centralized institutional power by taking on a wide range of leadership positions, including chairing the newly formed National Security Commission, as well as new steering committees on economic and social democratic reforms, military restructuring and modernization, and the internet. Xi's political thoughts have been written into the party and state constitutions. Xi has often been called a "dictator" or an "authoritarian leader" by conservative political and academic observers, and Xi Jinping's opponents, citing an increase of censorship and mass surveillance, a claimed deterioration in human rights, the cult of personality developing around him, and the removal of term limits for the leadership under his tenure.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping</ref>, basically not even criticizing Xi Jinping as much as Vladimir Putin, even though he is much worse, as China has a freedom score of 10 out of 100<ref>https://freedomhouse.org/country/china/freedom-world/2020</ref>, and Russia has a freedom score of 20 out of 100.<ref>https://freedomhouse.org/country/russia/freedom-world/2020</ref>, and when countries have low freedom scores, they are way more dangerous, due to the more undemocratic governments.

===Ethnic and racial bias===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Ethnic and racial]]
# In 2008, two 15-year-old students wanted to harass a third student named "Azid", so they edited a Wikipedia article on Korma (an Eastern food) to add Azid as a synonym for the dish.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=491479704 May 8, 2012</ref> This meaning was then added to hundreds of Web postings about mid-eastern cooking. On July 16, 2014, one of the students confessed his stunt on Reddit,<ref>http://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/2awfib/its_time_for_the_truth_to_come_out/ July 16, 2014</ref> but so many Azid references copied from Wikipedia had emerged in the meantime that Wikipedia did not delete the vandalism as untrue<ref>http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5028</ref> until four months later.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Korma&diff=prev&oldid=633412945</ref>
# For over a year, the article on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_A._Wilson_High_School Glen A. Wilson High School] contained threats against an Asian student and made ethnic slurs against the school's primarily Asian badminton team.<ref name="LATimes">{{cite news| url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/29/local/me-wikipedia29 | work=Los Angeles Times | first=Molly | last=Hennessy-Fiske | title=Wikipedia threats went unchecked – Los Angeles Times | date=29 April 2008}}</ref>
#Wikipedia has developed a series of history articles outlining the struggles of Jews, Catholics, Orthodox Christians, the LGBT community, Asians, and blacks against discrimination, and the Ku Klux Klan. These articles are now called "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_%281896%E2%80%931954%29 African-American Civil Rights Movement]" despite being formerly called "American Civil Rights Movement."<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_%281896%E2%80%931954%29/Archive_1#Name_of_this_article.3F</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_%281955%E2%80%931968%29#Why_.22African.22-American_Civil_Rights_Movement</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_%281955%E2%80%931968%29#Proposed_Move</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_%281955%E2%80%931968%29/Archive_1#American_Civil_Rights_Movement</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_%281955%E2%80%931968%29/Archive_1#Name_change</ref>

While the [[RNC]] August, 2020 has rightfully eliminated Mary Ann Mendoza after revealing she retweeted<ref>[https://baptistnews.com/article/rnc-speaker-mary-ann-mendoza-removed-from-lineup-after-sharing-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theories-on-twitter/ RNC speaker Mary Ann Mendoza removed from lineup after sharing anti-Semitic conspiracy theories on Twitter. BNG STAFF. Baptist News. August 27, 2020]</ref> recycled ludicrous old canard [[anti-Semitic]] conspiracy theories, yet, at the time, infamous Wikipedian racist Nishidani is still on [[Wikipedia]]. As part of anti-Jewish campaign since 2006: Nishidani sugarcoated Hitler's buddy [[Grand Mufti of Jerusalem]]; pushed for [[Farrakhan]]'s conspiracy-theories rubbish on July 2020 just before Nick Cannon's apology; supported the Islamic Republic of [[Iran]]'s proxy anti-US/anti-Israel Houthis in [[Yemen]] in its use of human shields; whitewashed terror entity Palestinian-Arab [[Hamas]] and its use of own people as human shields in order to aim at Israeli civilians (and at children whenever they can<ref>[https://www.google.com/search?q=sderot+kindergartens+hamas Sderot kindergartens]</ref>) as well as jihadi terror [[Hezbollah]].<ref>[http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/260150 'Mary Ann Mendoza' VS 'Nishidani on Wikipedia': anti-Jewish bigotry, racism, hatred, old conspiracy theories garbage. Aug 27, 2020]</ref>

===Foreign hackers===
Wikipedia has a very long article of "Cyberwarfare by Russia", heavily criticizing the Russian government, which they say that it is "confirmed"<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberwarfare_by_Russia</ref>, but their article of "Chinese cyberwarfare" is not really critical to the Chinese government, and they say that it is "claimed"<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_cyberwarfare</ref>. Russia is already a declining power and it is slowly becoming a democracy, but China is getting even worse, and it is becoming more powerful than ever. In their "Cyberwarfare and Iran" article, they do say that Iran's hacking is "confirmed", but they praise to Obama for "trying to abolish" the hackers, even though they [Iran] got American national bank access and taxpayer money from the [[Iran nuclear deal]].

===Gender bias===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Gender bias]]

# Wikipedia has a gender gap crusade that seeks to increase the percentage of female editors. (In practice that crusade has the effect of driving away male editors.) There are also many serious examples of gender bias in Wikipedia's content.
# When a '''New York Times''' op-ed criticised feminist Wikipedia editors for moving women from [[:Category:American Novelists]] to a separate category,<ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/opinion/sunday/wikipedias-sexism-toward-female-novelists.html?_r=0&ref=sunday|title=Wikipedia’s Sexism Toward Female Novelists|date=April 24, 2013|work=New York Times|accessdate=May 2, 2013}}</ref> the article about the author was attacked and watered down, restored<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amanda_Filipacchi&diff=552260688&oldid=552235515</ref> and attacked again.<ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/opinion/sunday/wikipedias-sexism.html?_r=1|title=Wikipedia's Sexism|date=April 27, 2013|work=New York Times|accessdate=May 2, 2013}}</ref>

===Global warming===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Global warming]]

# A recent charge is that U.K. scientist and Green Party activist and Realclimate.org member [[William M. Connolley|William Connolley]] functioned as a Wikipedia editor and website administrator, repressing information that militated against Climate Change. As such he "rewrote Wikipedia’s articles on global warming, on the greenhouse effect, on the instrumental temperature record, on the urban heat island, on climate models, on global cooling. On Feb. 14, he began to erase the Little Ice Age; on Aug.11, the Medieval Warm Period."<ref>[http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/12/19/lawrence-solomon-wikipedia-s-climate-doctor.aspx ''Lawrence Solomon: Wikipedia’s climate doctor'',] December 19, 2009</ref>
#[[Michael Mann]] is a well known global warming alarmist who is ridiculed for his so-called scientific work on tree ring temperature data, the Hockey Stick theory and was the subject of fraud in the [[Climategate]] scandal. Wikipedia decides to allow mention of his involvement with Climategate. Attempts to add the mention were repeatedly undone,<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._Mann&diff=prev&oldid=332744981</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_E._Mann&diff=next&oldid=332759870</ref> though some mention of Climategate was eventually added on Mann's page.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_E._Mann#CRU_email_controversy</ref>

===Homosexuality===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Homosexuality]]

#Wikipedia editors regularly and fiercely alter the use of the terms "he" or "she" in articles regarding [[cross-dressing]]/[[transsexual]] figures. Male to Female transexuals are near-universally referred to as "she" while women attempting to pass as men are referred to as "he", despite this usage absolutely incorrect in both scientific and legal senses.
#When NBA Basketball player [[Jason Collins]] announced that he was a homosexual, his Wikipedia biography was altered to say that he was a "faggot." When an editor attempted to change the word to "gay" Wikipedia's anti-vandalism robot changed it back.<ref>https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/jason-collins-faggot-washington-wizards-wikipedia_n_3223693.html?utm_hp_ref=sports&ir=Sports</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jason_Collins&diff=prev&oldid=553353534</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jason_Collins&diff=next&oldid=554154699</ref> An editor replaced his photo with a poster for "Gay N-word".<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jason_Collins&diff=prev&oldid=554154681</ref> After the page drew criticism on the Huffington Post, Wikipedia locked the page to editing and the changes have been hidden from public view. The article on the 2012-13 Washington Wizards season had similar problems.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2012–13_Washington_Wizards_season&diff=553709164&oldid=552936180</ref>
#After an edit war,<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chelsea_Manning&diff=569753966&oldid=569753791</ref> Wikipedia changed the Bradley Manning article to Chelsea Manning and gave the article subject female attributes, even though Manning had yet to legal change his name or begin any sex reassignment treatments or therapies.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chelsea_Manning#Page_moved_to_Chelsea_Manning_without_sufficient_consensus|title=Chelsea Manning talk page|accessdate=Aug 24, 2013}}</ref> The article was moved between "Chelsea Manning" and "Bradley Manning" six times in one day as Wikipedia administrators fought among themselves.
#Wikipedia's article on "Homophobia," dignifies the use of what is actually a pejorative slur word to turn readers against those who oppose the posterior orifice intercourse of men-lying-with-men. The use of this word is an attempt to classify those who oppose such sodomy as having a mental disorder, a phobia. An attempt to demonstrate that opposition to sodomy is neither a fear nor an irrational fear (phobia) supported by the absence of such a phobia in the ''Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,'' will not be tolerated in the article. The existence of this article is a violation of the Wikipedia NPOV standard, as the use of such slur words is an obvious attempt to win a debate by changing the vocabulary (as in changing from fornication to sexually active).<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia</ref>

===Ideological terrorism===
Wikipedia has an extremely long article of Right-wing terrorism<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism</ref>, but their Left-wing terrorism is short and doesn't even criticize to leftists that much as they do to rightists<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism</ref>. Their Right-wing terrorism article says they are "Nazis" and "racists", but their Left-wing terrorism just says they are "fighting" against the racists and fighting for so-called democratic reforms. Even though left-wing terrorism is way larges than right-wing terrorism and is expanding quicker, Wikipedia says that left-wing terrorism disappeared by the mid-1990s, even though it has grown dramatically through the rising power of China. The right-wing terrorism article has a gigantic list of right-wing terrorism occurrences, but their left-wing terrorism has none, just the list of terrorist groups. Another key fact is that in Wikipedia's Asia section of "Left-wing terrorism", there is absolutely no mention of China<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism#Asia</ref>, but China has benefited global terrorists by funding them and making us vulnerable<ref>https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/how-china-will-make-us-more-vulnerable-terrorists</ref>. Instead, it even sympathizes with that terrorism by saying they are fighting for democratic reforms. Their article "Left-wing authoritarianism redirects to Right-wing authoritarianism, which has another gigantic list of right-wing dictators. Also, in Wikipedia's article "Terrorism in China", they say that it is for ideological change and that it is against [[Xi Jinping]] and the Chinese government<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China</ref>, basically sympathizing with the [[Chinese Communist Party]].

===Internet policies===
#The [[Wikimedia Foundation]] (WMF) claims to have a policy against Internet censorship. Yet, the WMF has entered into a partnership with the [[Saudi Telecom Company]] (STC) to provide Wikipedia to mobile phone subscribers, prompting questions about the potential conflict over censorship.<ref>http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-October/122320.html</ref> Meanwhile, the English Wikipedia has an article entitled "List of Wikipedia articles censored in Saudi Arabia".<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedia_articles_censored_in_Saudi_Arabia&oldid=505551894</ref>
#Wikipedia engages in censorship of points of view that they disapprove of. In February 2017, Wikipedia (supported by Wikimedia) decided it would no longer accept ''[[The Daily Mail]]'', a right-wing newspaper based in the [[United Kingdom]], as a reliable source.<ref>Panis, Thomas (February 17, 2017). [https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/02/the_wikipedia_purge.html The Wikipedia Purge]. ''American Thinker''. Retrieved February 25, 2017.</ref> Wikipedia also discriminates against other conservative sources, such as ''[[Breitbart News]]'', ''[[The Daily Caller]]'', ''[[The New American]]'', ''[[The Epoch Times]]'', ''[[The Gateway Pundit]]'', and ''[[The Washington Examiner]]''<ref>Shaw, C. Mitchell (September 27, 2019). [https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/computers/item/33525-wikipedia-editor-scrubs-citations-to-the-new-american-from-hunter-biden-page Wikipedia Editor Scrubs Citations to The New American from Hunter Biden Page]. ''The New American''. Retrieved September 28, 2019.</ref><ref>Adler, T.D. (December 20, 2019). [https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/12/20/wikipedia-blacklists-epoch-times-gateway-pundit-for-russiagate-criticism/ Wikipedia Blacklists Epoch Times, Gateway Pundit for Russiagate Criticism]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved December 20, 2019.</ref> despite allowing [[liberal media]] sources that promote [[fake news]] as sources. Additionally, using sources even like ''[[The New York Post]]'' and ''[[The Washington Times]]'' is discouraged at the least.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_61#Washington_Times_column_RS.3F</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_209#Is_the_Washington_Times_an_acceptable_source_for_statements_of_face_related_to_student_protesters.2Fblack_lives_matter.2FMilo_Yiannopoulos.3F</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_179#LA_Times_legitimately_journalistic_WashTimes_is_like_FOx_News</ref> Even citing Fox News is discouraged. Due to its anti-conservative sourcing policies, Wikipedia has an inherent left-wing bias as the left-wing mainstream media sources (along with blatantly left-wing publications that are not challenged, unlike conservative outlets) [[Fake news|are considered "factually correct" and the "most reliable"]] in the eyes of Wikipedia editors. The Wikipedia article for the Epoch Times cites an NBC report claiming that it "[spreads] conspiracy theories such as QAnon"<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times</ref>, however, The Epoch Times has only published two articles about [[QAnon]], neither of which are spreading or promoting it. <ref>{{cite news |title=The 'Q' Phenomenon |url=https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-q-phenomenon_2581642.html |work=www.theepochtimes.com |date=2 July 2018}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |title='Q' Community Responds to Media Attacks |url=https://www.theepochtimes.com/media-attacks-do-little-to-sway-q-supporters_2617778.html |work=www.theepochtimes.com |date=7 August 2018}}</ref>

===Iran nuclear deal===
Even though the Iran nuclear deal allowed Iran to have access to taxpayer money and national banks, and also allowing Iran to create nuclear weapons, Wikipedia said the deal helped prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons through so-called sanctions.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#Sanctions</ref> Now, because of Obama, Iran is more powerful than ever, thanks to Obama's loyalty to unfree governments. Wikipedia also blatantly said that in the year 2030, the consequences of the 1979 Revolution won't be "active" anymore<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#15-year_term</ref>, even though the deal would make Iran more powerful than ever.

===Journalists===
See, [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Journalists]], [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Sun News Network]]
#In early October 2005, a prominent and respected journalist [[John Seigenthaler Sr.]], contacted Wikipedia founder [[Jimmy Wales]] about false and libelous content in his biographical entry. Instead of correcting the false allegations that Seigenthaler was involved in the Kennedy assassinations, Wales and other editors turned it into a wiki drama with attacks on Seigenthaler for trying to defend his own good name.<ref>[http://www.wikitruth.info/index.php?title=User:Essjay/Letter User:Essjay/Letter]. Retrieved from WikiTruth, November 3, 2007.</ref><ref>[http://www.journalism.org/node/1673 Seigenthaler's Op-Eds], October 1, 2005. Retrieved from http://www.journalism.org November 12, 2007.</ref><ref>http://www.journalism.cf.ac.uk/2006/online/index.php?id=parse-195-0-0-251&article=336&author=India+Camm</ref><ref>[https://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-11-29-wikipedia-edit_x.htm A false Wikipedia 'biography'], By John Seigenthaler, ''USA Today'', 11/29/2005.</ref><ref>http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/05/lol.02.html</ref>
#Israeli journalist [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_Levy Gideon Levy's Wikipedia Biography] has been frequently vandalized with false facts, including allegations that his father was a Nazi collaborator.<ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/in-a-web-of-lies-the-newspaper-must-live.premium-1.469273|title=
In a Web of lies, the newspaper must live|first=Gideon|last=Levy|date=October 11, 2012|accesdate=October 11, 2012|work=Haaretz Daily Newspaper}}</ref> So many slanderous statements have been posted that the revisions to the article have been hidden from public view at least 22 times.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&page=Gideon_Levy|title=Gideon Levy Deletion Log|accessdate=October 11, 2012}}</ref> After the Seigenthaler revelations, Wikipedia moved toward requiring in-line citations but still stresses "verifiability" over factual material.
#BBC presenter Lynn Parsons wrote Wikipedia claiming that her biography was false—including her birth date. Her request to have her article deleted was voted down.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lynn_Parsons|title=Articles for Deletion|accessdate=November 18, 2012|date=November 10, 2012}}</ref>

===Liberal politicians===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Liberal Politicians]]
[[File:Jimmy Carter.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Jimmy Carter]]
#The Wikipedia article on the liberal former President of [[Brazil]], [[Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva]]<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva&oldid=526671990|title=Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva|accessdate=December 12, 2012}}</ref> makes a passing reference to the [[mensalão scandal]] as if Lula was not personally involved, but fails to report that convicted conspirators testified that Lula himself knew of and approved of the vote-buying.<ref>{{cite news|title=Brazil: Report: Lula knew of vote-buying scheme|work=Washington Post|date=December 12, 2012|page=A8}}</ref> Instead, Wikipedia depicts Lula as a widely admired politician.
# Wikipedia's article on [[Jimmy Carter]]'s Presidency is clearly biased in favor of the failed politician.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Jimmy_Carter#Budget</ref>
# Various attempts have been made on Wikipedia to emphasize the controversial fact that [[Elizabeth Warren]]<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Elizabeth_Warren&oldid=755585604</ref> claimed on many occasions to be a Native American and a "person of color" despite a lack of documented evidence. Due to the revival of this controversy by Donald Trump in the 2016 election, attempts were made to create a separate paragraph about the issue. However, a cabal of administrators instead insisted that the controversy remain buried in the bottom of a section about her 2012 campaign where many readers said they were unable to find it.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Elizabeth_Warren&oldid=755040824 This, for example ("Controversies"), where an editor did not know it was already in the article.]</ref>
# Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is heavily praised by Wikipedia for trying to decriminalize illegal immigration, decreeing the [[Green New Deal]] which would cost $100 trillion from taxpayer, corporate, and bank money, LGBTQ "rights" for supporting so-called democratic reforms that are actually Communist, as well as comparing migrant detention centers to [Nazi] concentration and death camps, which she said just to make Trump look bad.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez#Political_positions</ref>

===Mathematics and engineering ===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Mathematics and Engineering]]

Subjects such as Mathematics and Engineering require a precision of thought that is more than the group-think of Wikipedia editors can muster.
# The Wikipedia article [[Elementary proof]] was proposed for deletion in October 2009 and the debate turned on what Conservapedia had written on the subject. The article was kept and not deleted.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Elementary_proof Retrieved July 17, 2014.</ref>
# A Wikipedia editor going under the pseudonym ''Jagged85'' made 67,000 edits between 2007 and 2010 until it was demonstrated that he was systematically misrepresenting Islamic science, technology, and philosophy. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Jagged_85/Evidence]

===Musicians and actors===
# A Wikipedia editor by the pseudonym "Ronz" called [[Nofel Izz]]'s singing and acting a "hobby", despite his work being featured in [[Bollywood]] films.<ref name="Izz2014">{{cite web |last=Izz|first=Nofel |title=The Dark Side of Wikipedia |url=https://nofelizz.com/2014/08/13/the-dark-side-of-wikipedia/ |date=13 August 2014}}</ref> The same user removed citations from the article that met Wikipedia's guideline on reliable sources.<ref name="Izz2014"/>

===Obama===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Obama]]

# Wikipedia added a "Controversies" sections to their article for the "Presidency of George W. Bush"<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Presidency_of_George_W._Bush&oldid=282227871#Controversies_and_criticism</ref> but not to their article on the "Presidency of Barack Obama"<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Barack_Obama</ref> The section on Bush has since been removed.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Presidency_of_George_W._Bush&diff=282810799&oldid=282227871</ref>
# In addition to the previous example, there was a massive Wikipedia article for "Criticism of George W. Bush,"<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticism_of_George_W._Bush&oldid=278422248</ref> but the article for "Criticism of Barack Obama" had been deleted at least ''FOUR TIMES'' since October 2008 with excuses like "Article that has no meaningful, substantive content" and "Attack page or negative unsourced BLP."<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Barack_Obama</ref> Wikipedia has since redirected "Criticism of George W. Bush" and added "Public image of" articles for both presidents, however President Bush's article is heavily negative<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_George_W._Bush</ref> while President Obama's is filled with glowing, pandering fluff with very few meaningful criticisms.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Barack_Obama</ref> The edit summary of the redirect says, "so the conservatards won't get their knickers in a twist."
# Wikipedia's article on [[Donald Trump]] is a hit piece consisting mainly of negative statements and allegations, including an entire section<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#False_statements</ref> dedicated to how "fact-checkers" and "academics" from [[CNN]] and other [[left-wing]] news outlets have concluded that Trump has made up to 18,000 false statements since taking office (though no examples are listed), a ridiculous allegation which is presented as fact by Wikipedia. Obama's article, by contrast, paints a glowing image of the former president and contains no such section regarding "false statements", even though Obama was frequently derided for making false statements while in office <ref>https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=barack-obama</ref>.

===Osama===
Wikipedia praised Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama many times for killing Osama bin Laden, but they didn't even release footage of the death<ref>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-i-wont-release-bin-laden-death-photos/</ref>. George W. Bush, however, was heavily criticized for "not killing Osama bin Laden", since Osama was not killed when Bush was President, and even though he sent soldiers to fight terrorism, they said that they weren't finding Osama bin Laden. <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Bush_administration</ref> They call Osama a terrorist, which is true, but they just say this to honor [[Barack Obama]] and his liberals for "killing" terrorists<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Obama_administration</ref>. They are trying to make it look like that the Republicans are ignoring to terrorists, and that Democrats are fighting against them. If a user reads Wikipedia, the results are that Bush did "nothing" to kill Osama, even though there were many attempts, in which they make Bush look "irresponsible".

===Paid editing===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Paid Editing]]

In theory, Wikipedia articles are supposed to be written by disinterested volunteers based on reliable secondary sources. However, because Google will rank a Wikipedia article as the first result when a person searches on the article's title, public relations firms and "reputation management" companies work hard to remove any negative or controversial facts from Wikipedia articles relating to their clients. Although such paid editing is not allowed, Wikipedia does little to enforce its rules against paid editing and there are numerous examples of paid editors introducing biassed content on behalf of their clients. Wikipedia selectively fails to enforce its ban on paid editing when the payments come from its large donors.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://wikipediocracy.com/2014/03/18/the-thin-bright-line-part-2-wikipedia-donors-feel-entitled-to-more-than-a-mug-or-a-tote-bag/|title=Wikipedia donors feel entitled to more than a mug or a tote bag|date=March 18, 2014|accessdate=April 3, 2014|first=Greg|last=Kohs}}</ref> Many organizations that visit the WMF Headquarters also engage in undisclosed paid editing to promote themselves.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://wikipediocracy.com/2014/07/06/look-whos-visiting-the-wmf/|title=Look Who Is Visiting the WMF|date=July 6, 2014|accessdate=July 17, 2014|first=Greg|last=Kohs}}</ref>

Perhaps one of the extreme examples is the Indian Institute of Planning and Management (IIPM), an unaccredited business school in India. Even though the IIPM was in regulatory problems, an editor(s) Wifione managed to keep the Wikipedia article on IIPM and its President positive while adding negative items to IIPM's competitors. Adding to the problem is that Wifione is a Wikipedia administrator. The Wikipedia Arbitration Committee allowed this to continue for years before taking action.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://wikipediocracy.com/2013/12/02/indian-fakers-teach-wiki-pr/|title=Indian Fakers Teach Wiki PR|date=December 2, 2013|accessdate=February 8, 2015|work=Wikipediocracy}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Wifione|title=Wifione Case|accessdate=February 8, 2015}}</ref>

In April 2017, [[Burger King]] devised a television commercial designed to trigger Google's voice-activated Home smart speaker and have the device advertise the Whopper by reading the start of the Wikipedia Whopper article.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_O54le4__I</ref> Google quickly reprogrammed the system to respond only if the user asked for the definition of a "Whopper burger." But before the fix was implemented, Wikipedia editors changed the article to include "horse meat", "cyanide",<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whopper&oldid=777717747</ref> "rat droppings", "dinosaurs" and other foul ingredients.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whopper&oldid=777715629</ref> The project is an example of a company trying to use Wikipedia to lend credibility to a commercial product.<blockquote>It appears that Burger King itself tried to fix the Wikipedia problem. The first sentence changed to a suspiciously glowing description of the Whopper, authored by user “Fermachado123" — a name that sounds similar to Fernando Machado, Burger King's senior vice president for global brand management.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Whopper&diff=773832878&oldid=773809917</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/companies/burger-king-thought-it-had-a-great-idea-instead-it-ended-up-with-a-whopper-of-a-problem/ar-BBzMU9j?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout|title=Burger King thought it had a great idea. Instead, it ended up with a Whopper of a problem. |date=April 13, 2017|accessdate=May 16, 2017|work=Washington Post}}</ref></blockquote>

===Pornography and sexuality===
# English Wikipedia embeds the full-length video of pornography movies "Debbie Does Dallas" and "A Free Ride" in the English encyclopedia articles about those films.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/11/wikipedia_search_engine/|title=Move over, Google. Here’s Wikipedia's search engine – full of on-demand smut|date=February 11, 2016|accessdate=April 10, 2016|work=The Register}}</ref>
# Wikipedia Commons, which collects public domain images, has drawn extensive criticism for sexually explicit material, including nude photos and photos of various acts. The editors of Wikipedia Commons have created a "Hot Sex Barnstar" to reward those people who upload particularly explicit images. When a former member of Wikipedia's Arbitration Committee asked to have it removed, many people opposed his suggestion.<ref>https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/Template:The_Hot_sex_barnstar&oldid=96124965 Retrieved May 12, 2013</ref>
# The Wikipedia article [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Body_parts_slang&redirect=no Body parts slang] had an elaborate list of definitions. It was subject to two controversial deletion debates, and finally merged into [[Slang]].<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Body_parts_slang (2005)</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Body_parts_slang_2</ref> Many of the definitions were moved to Wiktionary. The deleted article was also copied to Wikibooks.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABody_parts_slang&diff=27163440&oldid=26851206</ref>
#The Wikipedia article "Brazil v Germany (2014 FIFA World Cup)" included a section society's reaction to the soccer match, which stated that many people had uploaded video excerpts from the match to a pornography website with sexually suggestive titles. A long debate and edit war ensued over whether the explicit words should remain in the article.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ABrazil_v_Germany_%282014_FIFA_World_Cup%29&diff=631482381&oldid=617292981</ref>
# When the WMF Board of Directors voted to implement an image filter so that pornographic images would not be shown to children or people who wished to avoid them, Wikipedia volunteers rebelled and Fox News reported that WMF had abandoned its plans to address the problem.<ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/09/17/wikipedia-abandons-efforts-to-purge-porn-from-online-encyclopedia/|title=Wikipedia abandons efforts to purge porn from online encyclopedia|work=Fox News|date=Sept. 17, 2013|accessdate=Sept. 20, 2013}}</ref>
#A Wikipedia editor who edited both WP and [[Wikia]] using the same account name was caught as a child predator by a Wikia sting in July 2011. He was allowed to continue editing Wikipedia for another three years before being banned.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.examiner.com/article/wikipedia-finally-bans-middle-aged-pervert|title=Wikipedia finally bans middle-aged pervert|work=Examiner|date=June 30, 2014|accessdate=January 9, 2015|first=Greg|last=Kohs}}</ref>

===Public policy in the United States===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Public Policy in the US]]

# Wikipedia's entry for the [[National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act]] (NCVIA) reads like an advertisement for vaccine manufacturers, including unsupported and implausible claims about vaccination.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Injury_Act</ref> Unsupported claims featured there include "Vaccine makers indicated they would cease production if their proposal for the NCVIA was not enacted" and "concern that the NCVIA may not provide an adequate legal shield." Wikipedia's entry omits references to leading pro-parent websites concerning vaccination,<ref>http://www.909shot.com/</ref> and instead Wikipedia's entry lists pro-government and pro-vaccine-manufacturer websites. Wikipedia's entry even includes this entire paragraph, which is unsupported and is little more than an advertisement for drug companies:
#: Public health safety, according to backers of the legislation, depends upon the financial viability of pharmaceutical companies, whose ability to produce sufficient supplies in a timely manner could be imperiled by civil litigation on behalf of vaccine injury victims that was mounting rapidly at the time of its passage. Vaccination against infectious illnesses provides protection against contagious diseases and afflictions which may cause permanent disability or even death. Vaccines have reduced morbidity caused by infectious disease; e.g., in the case of smallpox, mass vaccination programs have eradicated a once life-threatening illness.
# The Wikipedia article on the Haymarket Riots and subsequent trial of the labor terrorists claimed, "The prosecution, led by Julius Grinnell, did not offer evidence connecting any of the defendants with the bombing. ... " A college professor who wrote a book about the trial knew that a lot of evidence was presented during the lengthy trial and tried to correct the article. His account in the ''Chronicle of Higher Education'' shows the contempt that Wikipedia holds for scholarly experts.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://chronicle.com/article/The-Undue-Weight-of-Truth-on/130704/|title=The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia|date=February 12, 2012|accessdate=September 20, 2013}}</ref>

===RINOs===

# Wikipedia also clearly and openly sympathizes with [[RINO]] politicians by saying "Republican In Name Only is a pejorative and a disrespectful term used primarily by conservative members of the United States Republican Party to describe Republicans whose political stances are deemed insufficiently conservative."<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_In_Name_Only</ref>

===Russia and China===
Russia's article is heavily criticized along with the Republicans for "helping" them, but China's article is praised for "reforms that made China the 2nd largest economy", and has absolutely no mention of Democrats, who are actually helping them.

====Election interference====
In Donald Trump's article, Russia is mentioned hundreds of times<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump</ref> but in Joe Biden's article, there is only one mention of China<ref>https://en.wikipeda.org/wiki/Joe_Biden</ref>, which is just sympathy to China, because Biden criticized Trump's China trade war.

===Anti-Creationism===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Science and Evolution]]

#Wikipedia savages anyone who criticizes the [[theory of evolution]], such as Dr. [[William Dembski]], whom Wikipedia introduces with outlandish, unsupported quotations by [[liberal]] critics.<ref name="Wiki Dembski">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_A._Dembski</ref> For example, Wikipedia describes David H. Wolpert as a "prominent mathematician" in order to insert a scathing, unjustified quotation by him about Dembski.<ref name="Wiki Dembski"/> In fact, Wolpert does not even hold a math degree and his (non-math) doctorate was from the University of California at the weak Santa Barbara location.<ref>http://ti.arc.nasa.gov/m/profile/dhw/cv.current.frame.pdf</ref> Dembski's PhD is in math from the preeminent University of Chicago.
#Wikipedia's article on [[dinosaurs]] contains no mention of the strong evidence that they existed alongside humans and no mention of modern sightings of dinosaur-like creatures reported by the [[best of the public]].<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur</ref> Additionally, for a period of time in 2016, the Wikipedia articles for ''Answers in Genesis'' and ''Creation Museum'' called the substantiated view "erroneous".<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Answers_in_Genesis&diff=731471041&oldid=731470641</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Creation_Museum&diff=731816581&oldid=731815973</ref> The wording was only removed from the articles by a bot when an image to which the wording was attached was deleted.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Answers_in_Genesis&diff=736369020&oldid=735923030</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Creation_Museum&diff=736368986&oldid=736368969</ref>
#Wikipedia has separate articles on many small wikis, for instance, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_History_Project LGBT History Project] with a WikiFactor of [http://wikiindex.org/LGBT_History_UK 6], but does not have an article on [[CreationWiki]] with a WikiFactor of [http://wikiindex.org/CreationWiki 45]. Articles on CreationWiki are repeatedly [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/CreationWiki_%282nd_nomination%29 deleted].

====Creationist Pages Deleted====

Wikipedia has established a recurring pattern of discriminating against [[Creationists]] by deleting their Wikipedia pages. Wikipedia maintains a project page on Creationism which is apparently used to delete the pages of Creationists,<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Creationism/Article_alerts/Archive_1 Wikipedia:WikiProject Creationism/Article alerts/Archive 1.]" ''Wikipedia.''</ref> ironic since it has deleted the portal page for Creationism itself.

=====Günter Bechly=====

Günter Bechly, a renowned paleontologist, lost his job at a museum and had his [[Wikipedia]] page deleted after he publicly came out as a Creationist in 2015.<ref>Benjakob, O. (2017, November 17). "[https://www.haaretz.com/science-and-health/2017-11-17/ty-article/scientist-comes-out-against-evolution-loses-wikipedia-page/0000017f-e91d-df2c-a1ff-ff5d6afa0000 A Respected Scientist Comes Out Against Evolution – and Loses His Wikipedia Page.]" ''Haaretz.''</ref> This is part of a recurring pattern of Wikipedia deleting Creationist pages.

The page was deleted 19:09, October 6, 2017 by Jo-Jo Eumerus.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnter_Bechly Günter Bechly.]" ''Wikipedia.''</ref>

The old page can be seen at Archive.org.<ref>"[https://web.archive.org/web/20160926105127/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCnter_Bechly Günter Bechly Wikipedia Page, Web Archive 9/26/2016.]" ''Internet Archive.''</ref>

=====Russell Humphreys=====

Russell Humphreys had his page on Wikipedia deleted.

The page was deleted 23:25, August 20, 2024 by Liz.<ref>"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Humphreys Russell Humphreys]." ''Wikipedia.''</ref>

The old page can be seen at Archive.org.<ref>"[https://web.archive.org/web/20240814104821/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Humphreys Russell Humphreys Wikipedia Page, Web Archive 8/14/2024.]" ''Internet Archive.''</ref>

=====Scott Minnich=====

Scott Minnich had his page on Wikipedia deleted.

The page was deleted 21:11, October 13, 2021 by Eddie891.<ref>"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Minnich Scott Minnich.]" ''Wikipedia''</ref>

The old page can be seen at Archive.org.<ref>"[https://web.archive.org/web/20210823030354/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Minnich Scott Minnich Wikipedia Page, Web Archive 8/23/2021.]" ''Internet Archive.''</ref>

=====Jack Cuozzo=====

Jack Cuozzo had his page on Wikipedia deleted.

The page was deleted 06:37, April 10, 2011 by Sandstein.<ref>"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Cuozzo Jack Cuozzo]." ''Wikipedia.''</ref>

On 16:24, July 15, 2014 BDD deleted page Jack Cuozzo (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014).

The old page can be seen at Archive.org.<ref>"[https://web.archive.org/web/20110330143417/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Cuozzo Jack Cuozzo Wikipedia Page, Web Archive 3/30/2011.]" ''Internet Archive.''</ref>

=====Jan Peczkis/John Woodmorappe=====

Jan Peczkis, better known as John Woodmorappe, had his page on Wikipedia deleted.

The page was deleted 05:22, May 7, 2014 by FreeRangeFrog.<ref>"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Peczkis Jan Peczkis.]" ''Wikipedia.''</ref>

An archived version of the page has not yet been identified.

=====Caroline Crocker=====

Caroline Crocker had her page on Wikipedia deleted.

The page was deleted 03:11, February 18, 2015 by Kurykh.<ref>"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Crocker Caroline Crocker.]" ''Wikipedia.''</ref>

The page was previously deleted 02:15, February 15, 2006 by ABCD.

The old page can be seen at Archive.org.<ref>"[https://web.archive.org/web/20131228062412/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Crocker Caroline Crocker Wikipedia Page, Web Archive 12/28/2013.]" ''Internet Archive.''</ref>

=====Larry Vardiman=====

Larry Vardiman had his page on Wikipedia deleted.

The page was deleted 06:22, May 27, 2020 by Spartaz.<ref>"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Vardiman Larry Vardiman.]" ''Wikipedia.''</ref>

The old page can be seen at Archive.org.<ref>"[https://web.archive.org/web/20190807211553/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Vardiman Larry Vardiman Wikipedia Page, Web Archive 8/7/2019.]" ''Internet Archive.''</ref>

=====Jason Lisle=====

Jason Lisle had his page on Wikipedia deleted.

The page was deleted 20:45, November 13, 2017 by Sandstein.<ref>"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Lisle Jason Lisle.]" ''Wikipedia.''</ref>

The page was also deleted 03:18, July 19, 2010 by Courcelles.

The page was also deleted 04:02, 19 February, 2006 by Guanaco.

An archived version of the page has not yet been identified.

=====John Ashton=====

John Ashton had his page on Wikipedia deleted, although the content was placed on the Wikipedia user page of John Ashton.

The page was deleted 08:37, May 24, 2012 by SilkTork.<ref>"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Ashton John F. Ashton.]" ''Wikipedia.''</ref>

The old page can be seen at the Wikipedia user page of John Ashton.<ref>"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:John_J._Bulten/John_F._Ashton John F. Ashton, User Page.]" ''Wikipedia.''</ref>

=====Creationism Portal=====

The Creationism portal page was deleted.

The page was previously deleted 22:05, June 9, 2019 by Premeditated Chaos.<ref>"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Creationism Portal:Creationism.]" ''Wikipedia.''</ref>

The old page can be seen at Archive.org.<ref>"[https://web.archive.org/web/20190609214105/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Creationism Portal: Creationism Wikipedia Page, Web Archive 6/9/2019.]" ''Wikipedia.''</ref>

=====List of Arguments for a Young Earth=====

The Wikipedia page List of Arguments for a Young Earth was deleted.

The page was deleted 12:01, August 14, 2014 by Seddon.<ref>"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_arguments_for_a_young_Earth List of Arguments for a Young Earth.]" ''Wikipedia.''</ref>

An archived version of the page has not yet been identified.

===Sports===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Sports]]

# From 2008 until October 2014, the Wikipedia article on the 1978-79 Boston College Basketball Point Shaving Scandal named Joe Streater as one of the participating players.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1978%E2%80%9379_Boston_College_basketball_point_shaving_scandal&diff=prev&oldid=231463815</ref> However, he was not even on the team that year. He was inserted into the article by an anonymous IP address and the erroneous information was left until the press publicized the error.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/guilt-wikipedia-joe-streater-became-falsely-attached-boston-college-point-shaving-scandal.html/2|title=Guilt By Wikipedia: How Joe Streater became falsely attached to the Boston College point-shaving scandal|first=Ben |last=Koo|date=Oct 9, 2014 |accessdate=October 13, 2014}}</ref>
#Wikipedia's biographies of Scottish soccer players are so notoriously biassed that the new General Manager of the Hibernian Football Club, Alan Stubbs, told the press, "We can't be scouting players any more on the back of a Wikipedia page and one individual's opinion. I’ll want background checks and medical histories."<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wont-signing-players-based-wikipedia-4063573|title= We won't be signing players based on their Wikipedia descriptions anymore, says Hibs boss Alan Stubbs|date=August 17, 2014|accessdate=August 18, 2014|first= Scott |last=McDermott|work=Daily Record}}</ref>
# On December 14, 2014, the Dallas Cowboys' Dez Bryant successfully played against Eagles' defensive back Bradley Fletcher. In response, Wikipedia changed Fletcher's biography to describe his position as "Dez Bryant's bitch" and added a paragraph, which said, Fletcher "displayed his poor mechanics, speed, and talent."<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.totalprosports.com/2014/12/15/bradley-fletcher-wikipedia-page/|title=Bradley Fletcher Wikipedia Page Changed After Loss to Cowboys (Pic)|date=December 15, 2014|accessdate=December 15, 2014|work=totalprosports.com}}</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bradley_Fletcher&diff=638157096&oldid=638156965</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bradley_Fletcher&diff=prev&oldid=638156942</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bradley_Fletcher&diff=prev&oldid=638156868</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bradley_Fletcher&diff=prev&oldid=638156546</ref>
# The [[University of Pittsburgh]]'s athletic director, Steve Pederson, may be unpopular, but Wikipedia changed the infobox about its athletic program to list "Satan" as the athletic director.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.cardiachill.com/2014/12/13/7386693/steve-pederson-paul-chryst-wisconsin-pitt-football-pittsburgh-panthers-athletic-director|title=Satan employed by Pitt. Per Wikipedia.|date=December 13, 2014|accessdate=December 15, 2014}}</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pittsburgh_Panthers&diff=prev&oldid=637798626</ref>

===Conspiracy theories===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Conspiracy theories]]

#In Wikipedia's page on the ABC's docudrama ''The Path to 9/11'', the page contains a section titles "Controversy and criticisms," which contains 19 sub-sections to support it, while the section titled "Controversy: support for The Path to 9/11" only contains four, despite the fact that the controversy was sparked by pro-Clinton liberals that failed to see the fact that the two-part miniseries criticized both Bush and Clinton administrations leading up to 9/11 and that writer Cyrus Nowrasteh stated that many of their consultants on it stated that the docudrama went easy on Clinton. It also fails to note John Ziegler's documentary on the censoring of the docudrama ''Blocking the Path to 9/11'' [http://www.johnziegler.com/], which contains interviews with many people on the topic, and points out how the [[MSM]] liberals and Clintons have smeared it so much that it has destroyed it from ever being shown on TV or being sold on DVD in the near future. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Path_to_9/11]
#The Wikipedia article "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_conspiracy_theories&oldid=504359758 List of conspiracy theories]" ridicules and dismisses as "conspiracy theories" more hypotheses advanced by conservative thinkers than hypotheses advanced by left-wing thinkers. The editor(s) of this page have an obvious liberal bias that holds in disfavor a number of ideas advanced by conservatives. For example, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_conspiracy_theories&oldid=504359758#Water_fluoridation Water Fluoridation] has been opposed by many conservative groups due to concerns about health impacts as well as a question of personal freedom and limits on the proper scope of government. Yet, the Wikipedia list dismisses these views as a "conspiracy theory" that draws on "distrust of experts and unease about medicine and science". In another example, [[peak oil]] is a theory advanced by many conservatives including geologists [[T. Boone Pickens]]. Yet, the page dismisses it, noting "There are theories that the 'peak oil' concept is a fraud concocted by the oil industries to increase prices amid concerns about future supplies."<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_conspiracy_theories&oldid=504359758|title=List of conspiracy theories#Peak oil|date=July 28, 2012|accessdate=July 28, 2012}}</ref>
#The Wikipedia article "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Plan_%28Washington,_D.C.%29&oldid=478678893 The Plan (Washington, D.C.)]" is one of the conspiracy theories included on the official Wikipedia conspiracy list. However, the article cites few sources supporting the existence of the conspiracy to replace black residents with whites in Washington DC and no sources that refute the existence of the conspiracy.
#As of August 15, 2016, the article "[[Murder of Seth Rich]]" had a ''motion to delete'' template on it on grounds of not being notable, although at one point it was getting 1500 daily views. It was so allegedly unnotable that a strong debate was generated there on the talk page and on the Delete Articles section, where editors essentially "voted" to Keep vs. Delete, allegedly on the grounds of non-notability.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Murder_of_Seth_Rich</ref> Among the arguments for deleting the article there was a repetitious reference to the talking point "conspiracy theory," though the article said nothing at all about a conspiracy theory. Also, as of August 17, 2016, the Wiki editor who started this article, was officially blocked by an administrator. His talk page said: "You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia."<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TradingJihadist</ref> As of August 21, 2016, the motion to delete was denied on grounds of no consensus, although a derogatory false comment was attached attacking some of those who argued in favor of "Keep." Soon after, the article was summarily locked down until August 27, 2016, and a request for mediation was filed.
::Despite the fact that the article was not deleted, several details about the murder were deleted from the article by the same editors who advocated for deletion,<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Murder_of_Seth_Rich#List_of_excluded_items</ref> leaving the article a rather short stub article. And as of August 24, 2016, there was a continuing debate and vote on the talk page of that article as to
::"Should this article mention the fact that WikiLeaks offered $20,000 in reward money for providing information regarding the perpetrator of this crime?" along with this template warning: "{{Ds/talk notice|blp}}," which warned: "This article is subject to discretionary sanctions."
::On September 18, 2016, less than a month after the previous motion to delete failed, a second motion to delete was started by the same editors who tried to delete it the first time, but once again, on October 4, the motion to delete was denied, as there was "no consensus."<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Murder_of_Seth_Rich_(2nd_nomination) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Seth Rich (2nd nomination)]</ref>

===Nazism, Socialism, Communism===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Naziism, Socialism, Communism]]
[[File:Ukrainian Nazis.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Ukrainian nazi flag.<ref>https://eurasiantimes.com/ukraine-uses-pig-fat-bullets-to-counter-russian-aggression/</ref>]]
#Edits from Russian Government IP addresses removed statements in the Wikipedia article on [[Malaysia Airlines Flight 17]] which said that Russia had provided the terrorists with the surface to air missile used to shoot down that civilian flight.<ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/10977082/Russian-government-edits-Wikipedia-on-flight-MH17.html|title=Russian government edits Wikipedia on flight MH17|first=Matthew |last=Sparkes|date=18 Jul 2014|work=Telegraph|accessdate=July 25, 2014}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/07/18/a_wikipedia_edit_twitterbot_caught_the_russian_state_tv_editing_the_mh17.html|title=Wikipedia Edit Twitterbots Are Revealing How Russia Wants to Frame the MH17 Crash|first=Lily |last=Hay Newman|work=Slate|date=July 18, 2014|accessdate=July 25, 2014}}</ref>
#Wikipedia's main article on [[Communism]] does not mention any act of genocide in Communist countries, and any attempts to edit the page to include this information are deleted. The Nazism page, however, includes multiple mentions of the Holocaust. The only mention of the Communist genocide is buried deep within the article structure for Communism.
# [[Kazakhstan]], a dictatorship that used to be part of the [[Soviet Union]], paid $13 million to [[Tony Blair]]'s PR firm to polish its image. [[Jimmy Wales]]'s new wife works for that firm, and the WMF accepted a government-front organization which is funded by the Kazakh government to be its local chapter. In 2011, Wales declared the founder of the chapter to be the "Global Wikipedian of the year" and promised to pay $5,000 of expenses toward his attending the 2012 Wikimania in Washington DC. Wales denies the government involvement and failed to make the promised payment.<ref>http://wikipediocracy.com/2012/12/23/jimmy-wales-in-the-dictator-and-i/</ref><ref>http://www.quora.com/Why-does-it-appear-that-Wikipedias-co-founder-is-covering-for-Kazakhstans-government-manipulation-of-Wikipedia</ref><ref>http://wikipediocracy.com/2013/01/16/whos-the-best-yoruban-wikipedian-of-them-all/</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=551703840&oldid=551703680</ref><ref>http://www.examiner.com/article/wikipedia-co-founder-jimmy-wales-denies-kazakhstan-connection</ref>
#[[Augusto Pinochet]], who overthrew Communism in [[Chile]] and then restored democracy before voluntarily giving up power himself, is called a "dictator" by Wikipedia,<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinochet</ref> but [[Fidel Castro]], the Communist dictator of [[Cuba]] for four decades, is instead called a "leader" or even a "president".<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fidel_Castro&oldid=235182888</ref>
# Wikipedia is sympathetic to Fidel Castro in its entry about Cuba.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba</ref> Wikipedia blames President Dwight Eisenhower for choosing "to attend a golf tournament" rather than meet the revolutionary Castro in 1959, and then Wikipedia claims that Castro became a Communist because of the American-backed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961. Conservapedia tells the truth up-front: "Cuba has been ruled by a Communist dictator named Fidel Castro since 1959."<ref>[[Cuba]]</ref>
# Wikipedia's article on far-Left politics outright praises the dismantling of social structures and even goes on to say that the far-Left promotes "equality", while failing to mention the blatant anti-Semitism and anti-Israel hate speech among the far-Left, its racism against whites in the form of Jeremiah Wright, the blatant racism among groups like the Black Panthers. Conversely, its "far-Right" politics articles accuse conservatives of maintaining a social hierarchy and being "racist" and being "supremacists" that keep the "oppression" in check, while utterly failing to mention the black supremacist politics among the far-Left. It promotes the far-Left as bringing "equality" while failing to mention its supremacist racism by people like the [[New Black Panthers]] for example.
# Wikipedia's article on the National Socialist German Workers' Party lists its political position as "Far-Right",<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party</ref> however its page on the Communist Party of China does not even refer to the party as "Far-Left".<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China</ref>

== Old User Bias ==
Many old users (2004 - 2009) get unfair treatment against newer edits, which normally means that newer users get blocked for their actions whilst old users aren't punished for bad actions, this has made people hate old users and admins for allowing OG (Slang term for old users) users to get away without punishment.

==Vaccine Biases ==
===Vaccines===
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Vaccination]]

#The Wikipedia article '''Vaxxed''' [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vaxxed&oldid=768444417] purports to be a review of ''Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe'', a 2016 American film alleging a cover-up by the [[Centers for Disease Control and Prevention]] (CDC) of a possible link between the MMR [[vaccine]] and [[autism]]. In reality, this Wikipedia article is little more than a diatribe against Dr. [[Andrew Wakefield]].
#The Wikipedia article describes Dr Wakefield as a "discredited anti-vaccine activist" but this is untrue. First, Dr Wakefield has said that he is not anti-vaccine. He is opposed to the MMR vaccine (a [[combination vaccine]]) but he is not opposed to the [[measles]], [[mumps]] and [[rubella]] vaccines being given in separate doses.<ref>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3513365.stm</ref>
#Secondly the label "discredited" is inaccurate. Dr Wakefield and his colleague, Professor John Walker-Smith, were brought up on misconduct charges before Britain's General Medical Council (GMC) because of alleged irregularities in the conduct of their research project. Walker-Smith and Wakefield were found guilty and were struck off the medical register.
#Walker-Smith, who was backed by his insurance company, successfully appealed against the ruling. The judge said that the GMC's original ruling was based on "inadequate and superficial reasoning and, in a number of instances, a wrong conclusion". Unfortunately, Wakefield did not have backing from his insurance company so he was not able to appeal. If he had had backing, there is little doubt that he would have been cleared as well.<ref>https://healthimpactnews.com/2012/british-court-throws-out-conviction-of-autismvaccine-md-andrew-wakefields-co-author-completely-exonerated/</ref>
#Several Wikipedia editors have tried to make the article more balanced but, in every case, they have been struck down by Wikipedia's elite.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vaxxed/Archive_1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vaxxed&oldid=759801540]

===Washington Post/Washington Times===
Leftist radical newspaper ''Washington Post'' is praised by Wikipedia for "winning prizes, using a fact-checker to fact-check lies", even though they make so much fun of Trump, and that it is an opinion newspaper.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Post#2000%E2%80%93present</ref>

The ''Washington Times'', however, is very heavily criticized for being white supremacist, pro-Russian, neo-Nazi, racist, anti-[atheist] science, and anti-democratic reforms, that are Communist and not even democratic.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times</ref> Again China is praised and sympathized by Wikipedia, who says "In January 2020, The Washington Times published two widely shared articles about the COVID-19 pandemic that suggested that the virus was created by China as a biological weapon to spread power. One article quoted a former Israeli intelligence officer as a source but offered no other verifiable evidence."<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times#Misreporting_on_the_COVID-19_pandemic</ref> What the ''Washington Times'' was actually saying is that China is trying to use the coronavirus to spread power, but Wikipedia downplays that, and instead blames Trump and Putin, and also sympathizing with the Palestinians, by criticizing to the Israeli intelligence officer.

===General/Uncategorized===
[[File:Stoltenberg LGBT.PNG|thumb|right|[[Jens Stoltenberg]] (center).]]
See [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: General or uncategorized]]
#Wikipedia falsely reported that the prime minister of Norway, [[Jens Stoltenberg]], was a pedophile who had served time in prison.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/06/wikipedia_bio/|title=Who owns your Wikipedia bio?|first= Andrew|last=Orlowski|work=The Register|date=December 6, 2005|accessdate=September 19, 2012}}</ref><ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5182883|title=
Wikipedia Bans Access from Capitol Hill Computers|work=National Public Radio|date=February 1, 2006|accessdate=September 20, 2012}}</ref>
#Wikipedia appeals to a dumbed-down culture of users that appreciate uncensored obscenity instead of education. The swear word with four letters that begin with F, is mentioned or uncensored in quotations in nearly 11,000 articles. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search] Ironically, it was once used in an article about Republican Senate candidate [[Michael Baumgartner]] when the article's sources did not spell out that word.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_Baumgartner&oldid=509330054|title=Michael Baumgartner|accessdate=August 27, 2012}}</ref>
#Wikipedia does its best to cover-up crimes and lewd behavior coming from left-leaning [[Occupy Wall Street]] crowd. Assault emphasized, rape is minimized by the omission of the terms. Rape is not used in the article and can only be found in a reference title at the end of the page.<ref>Occupy_Wall_Street&oldid=466639949 Cover-up at Wikipedia,lewd acts downplayed</ref>
# Wikipedia does not mention until after 600 words that [[Jared Loughner]], like many Wikipedia editors, is an atheist, and its entry initially failed to admit that he is also a [[nihilist]], an extreme form of atheism.<ref>When Wikipedia eventually added mention of Loughner's nihilism, its edit summary omitted reference to the term. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jared_Lee_Loughner&action=historysubmit&diff=407362660&oldid=407358740].</ref>
# The article on the [[Proud Boys]] is blatantly biased towards the Left. The first sentence falsely claims "The Proud Boys are a far-right and neo-fascist male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence in the United States and Canada", despite the group trying to stop the [[liberal]]s’ [[insurrection]]. As an example of the Wikipedia admins' lack of courage in their convictions, the article is also protected so no one can change it.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys]

Most examples have been moved to the sublists. Please visit the sublists to learn about the variety of bias in Wikipedia.

==Structural problems with Wikipedia==
Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger blasted site for left-wing bias: ‘The word for it is propaganda.’<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/media/wikipedia-co-founder-larry-sanger-propaganda Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger blasts site for left-wing bias: ‘The word for it is propaganda’] Brian Flood , Fox News, July 16, 2021.

'You can trust it to give a reliably establishment point of view on pretty much everything.'

Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger continued his criticism this week of the online encyclopedia that he helped create, citing the page on President Biden as an example of its leftist bias</ref>
He said: 'The site only uses lefty sources and blocks reporting by major outlets.'
<ref>Tucker Carleson Tonight, Foxnews, July 22, 2021</ref>

Wikipedia claims to be "an encyclopedia that anyone can edit." That is both its strength and its biggest weakness. Although Wikipedia started as having all editors on an equal footing, it has evolved into a highly stratified structure where a large number of people cannot edit it. In order to edit Wikipedia, a person must master its wiki-markup language and a large number of complex rules. The number of people who edit Wikipedia on a regular basis has declined. Many editors left voluntarily, but many others have been "banned" or "blocked" by administrators or a community vote. In theory, people can edit Wikipedia without logging in, but in order to prevent "banned" users from editing, Wikipedia blocks various ranges of IP addresses, preventing persons who are '''not''' banned from editing from those locations, such as hotels, schools, and libraries. Wikipedia's terms and conditions bar people with a conflict of interest from directly editing Wikipedia articles. This prevents knowledgeable people who work for companies from editing articles relating to their work. Finally, because the administrator caste has certain political views, editors who do not conform to those beliefs are more likely to be "banned" or "blocked".

[[File:Girls Netball Team.jpg|thumb|right|250 px|An editor who was never in Malawi says this is a photo of a Malawian netball team. An edit war ensued.]]
A major source of bias comes from the Wikipedia pillar of "verifiability". Wikipedia proudly proclaims, "'''Verifiability, and not truth''', is one of the fundamental requirements for inclusion in Wikipedia;"<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Verifiability&oldid=502902820|title=WP:Verifiability|accessdate=July 19, 2012}}</ref> There have been many attempts to change this, because when a Wikipedia editor tries to remove false content, editors who favor biased content rely upon this policy to retain the falsehoods.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability/2012_RfC</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability/Archive_53#RFC_-_Compromise_proposal_re_first_sentence</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/27_February_2012/Wikipedia:Verifiability</ref> An example of such misuse involve radical feminists who tried to have Wikipedia state that netball was an Olympic sport<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netball_and_the_Olympic_Movement&oldid=420754256|title=Netball at the Olympics|date=March 26, 2011|author=Laura Hale}}</ref> when, in fact, it has never been played "at the Olympics". Because they found a speech where a politician told the New South Wales Parliament that netball was "technically an Olympic sport"<ref>Parliament of New South Wales, [http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/hansart.nsf/V3Key/LA20040921018 Parliamentary Debates,] Legislative Assembly, 21 September 2004, columns 11179–11179, (Alison Megarrity).</ref> they were able to retain this false material as if it were a verified fact.

Requiring just one source to meet Wikipedia's verifiability standard is a serious logical flaw. Any well-established fact can be contradicted by finding one obscure source somewhere on the Web, and Wikipedia will allow just one reference to overrule the majority of definitive sources saying the opposite.

Another bias is from "show and tell." Some Wikipedia editors have not outgrown their need to show off what they have found on the Internet. Again using the obscure sport of netball as an example, the editor found a photo posted on Flickr that was labeled, "The Girls Netball Team"<ref>https://www.flickr.com/photos/51132506@N00/1954358144</ref> even though it did not show anyone playing netball. The editor then captioned the photo, "A Malawian netball team" and placed it alongside a few other obscure facts to create a Malawi section of the netball article.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netball&oldid=420915334</ref> So how can the reader trust that the people in the photograph are really in Malawi and that they really play netball?<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Netball_in_Africa#Malawi_image</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Netball/Archive_3#Should_image_of_Netball_players_not_playing_be_used</ref> Adding photos to articles is the most visible form of the "show and tell" syndrome. The need to "show and tell" can also result in including random, obscure facts and data in an article. For example, an editor can find a data source from years ago, but if the data are included in the article without proper emphasis of the date, it creates the implication that the data remain true today.<ref>E.g., {{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netball_in_Brunei&diff=502678275&oldid=502670120|title=Netball in Brunei|date=July 16, 2012}}</ref>

Errors and bias can be introduced by robotic submissions. For example, many Wikipedia articles about populated places in the United States were created by robots using 2000 United States Census data. A standard paragraph on demographics that included 2000 Census data were automatically included in each article. Wikipedia has not been able to program a robot to update all of those statistics, so most articles about places in the United States do not have more recent data from the 2010 census. Robots tagged many Wikipedia articles that had an article name in common with those in an early edition of ''Encyclopædia Britannica'' as having that book as a source, even if nothing in the article was based on that book, and no human checked if the Wikipedia article was consistent with the Encyclopædia Britannica article.

Another level of error and bias comes from Wikipedia's reliance on poorly-trained volunteers, instead of paid professionals. For example, someone proposed that a copyrighted photo of Joseph Stalin taken by [[Margaret Bourke-White]] be deleted in 2009.<ref>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Joseph_Stalin.jpg</ref> It was kept, because someone with a Gmail account sent permission claiming to be her son. She died without children<ref>http://womenshistory.about.com/od/margaretbourkewhite/a/Margaret-Bourke-White.htm</ref> and the photo's copyright actually belonged to Time, Inc., but the mistake was not detected until 2012.

===Accountability===
Wikipedia relies upon volunteer administrators to maintain the accountability of the site and enforce its rules. The number of administrators continues to shrink. In January 2008, there were 1,011 administrators, but the number dropped to 661 in November 2012, and as of June 2016, the number stands at 539.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_administrators/stat_table|title=Wikipedia:List of administrators/stat table|accessdate=July 27, 2016}}</ref> The number drops, because the process of selecting new administrators subjects each candidate to extensive abuse. If the actions of Wikipedia administrators appear very odd, there is a possibility that it is because they are the products of anonymous, very young people or, in certain cases, of mentally ill people. For example, sysop Altenmann was de-sysopped and community-banned in April 2010 for sockpuppeting and improper closure of deletion discussions over a period of several years. He admitted mental illness and has been unbanned.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=491693521</ref>

Fundamentally, the owner of a site is accountable for its governance and contents. To qualify for a tax exemption, Wikipedia is owned by the [[Wikimedia Foundation]] (WMF) that has a Board of Directors and a paid professional staff of 146.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/FAQ/en|title=Frequently asked questions|accessdate=February 7, 2013}}</ref> However, the WMF, its Board, and Staff disavow any accountability for the Wikipedia encyclopedia. Instead, co-founder Jimmy Wales claims ultimate authority for it and acts as the executive/monarch on whatever he chooses. For example, although the Wikipedia Arbitration Committee is selected in an election, Wales accepts the election results and appoints the new members. As recently as September 2013, Wales claims to have the right to overturn Arbitration Committee decisions.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=571759721&oldid=571756060If|title=User Talk:Jimbo Wales|date=September 6, 2013}}</ref> If a person has a complaint about being the victim of false libel by Wikipedia, the WMF disavows any control of the matter and hides behind [[Section 230]] of the Communications Decency Act. So, the WMF has a legal incentive to maintain a "hands-off" approach to content disputes. Its Board and Staff collect the charitable donations and meet IRS requirements, but Wales and the volunteer editors maintain the biased, defamatory site.

There have been lawsuits against Wikipedia and its editors. For example, Theodore Katsanevas, a Greek politician sued a Wikipedia editor and the WMF to seek removal of allegedly defamatory materials from the Greek Wikipedia. A Greek Court granted a preliminary injunction requiring the removal of material, but other editors have added it back in and have translated the biography with the offending material into 20 other languages. A full trial was expected in 2016, and the WMF promised to pay all of the defendants' legal fees.<ref>{{cite news|url=https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/02/14/wikimedia-foundation-supports-wikipedia-user-subject-to-defamation-lawsuit-in-greece/|title=Wikimedia Foundation supports Wikipedia user subject to defamation lawsuit in Greece|work=Wikimedia Blog|date=February 14, 2014|accessdate=March 20, 2014}}</ref>

A few Wikipedia editors develop a dislike for the author or the subject of an article; usually, conservative authors are targeted. Rather than going through the ArticlesForDeletion procedure, such editors falsely claim that the offending author caused a "copyright violation." By doing this, they can kill an article within seven days without using ArticlesForDeletion. The author of the article is not notified that there is a "copyright violation." If the author has been blocked or banned, often on specious charges, he cannot provide a defense of the article. Sometimes the "copyright violation" is leveled even when no copyrighted material is used as a source.

Wikipedia is heavily oriented toward non-American countries and persons. A check of the WP obituary list each day repeatedly lists dozens of people from other countries than the United States. These people are mostly unknown in the USA, and many seem "non-notable" by Wikipedia's own standards of "notability." The same situation is also observable in the "Did You Know?" section on the WP main page, as foreign topics usually get top billing over American topics.

==See also==
*[[Wikipedia Governor Impeachment Cover-Up]]
*[[Hearsay society]]
*[[Wikipedia prejudice and KAL 007]] (Subject matter is [[New World Order]] and Cong. [[Larry McDonald]]. Article here in Conservapedia relates it to [[KAL 007]] as the subject matter bears directly).
*[[Haaretz]]

==External links==
*[https://www.thefp.com/p/how-wikipedia-became-propaganda-site How Wikipedia Became a Propaganda Site]
*[http://www.wikipediocracy.com Wikipedia criticism site]
*[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/21/conservatives-miss-wikipedias-threat/ SHEFFIELD: Conservatives miss Wikipedia's threat] by [[Washington Times]], August 21, 2008
* [http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83640 Wikipedia lies, slander continue by Joseph Farah]
*[http://www.paulbogdanor.com/200chomskylies.pdf The Top 200 Chomsky Lies]—Comprehensively debunks the claims of the [[Noam Chomsky|cult leader]] behind the [[radical left]]'s talking points.
*[http://wikipediabias.com/ Wikipedia Bias blog]
*[https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/05/wikipedias-seven-worst-moments/ Wikipedia’s Seven Worst Moments] by Charlie Nash, ''Breitbart News'', July 5, 2016.

*[https://archives.frontpagemag.com/fpm/wikipedias-israel-problem-ari-lieberman/ WIKIPEDIA'S ISRAEL PROBLEM. Anti-Semitism in Internet encyclopedia form. Tue Aug 25, 2015. Ari Lieberman].
*[http://184.106.49.50/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=7744 Discover The Network: Wikipedia].

*[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13555641/Trump-Obama-Biden-Wikipedia-bias-conservative.html 'Trump bad, Obama good' - Wikipedia's bias REVEALED, and how it affects you] (''Daily Mail'', 6.21.24).

*[https://jewishjournal.com/cover_story/371545/7-tactics-wikipedia-editors-used-to-spread-anti-israel-bias-since-oct-7/ Seven Tactics Wikipedia Editors Used to Spread Anti-Israel Bias Since Oct. 7] (''Jewish Journal'', 5.28.24).

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User talk:JZambrano

2025-11-28T19:59:43Z

JZambrano: /* Thanks */

I'm back after a multi-year recess. I saw the pages here had been deleted in May - I have no idea why - and made the Jzy account because I thought this account was banned, to ask what was going on with that and the numerous account deletions in recent months. Ironically I came back expecting to start posting only to find Conservapedia had deleted my page, re-igniting my previous suspicion of the site and its administrators. I've been editing variously at CreationWiki, Citizendium, and SourceWatch over the last several years. A lot of my recent editing has been at CreationWiki.

I'd like to have a more favorable view of Conservapedia since I'm a pro-life, Creationist, very socially-conservative Christian, but thus far have seen a disturbing level of administrative heavy-handedness from 3 separate admins. I also dislike the unwillingness to mention valid criticisms of Obama like the Born Alive controversy, and suspect a number of the admins here are secretly liberals who support Obama. At any rate, I'm just here to use the debate pages and provide some opinions defending Christianity and Creationism since CreationWiki is unfortunately down right now (hopefully the site's back up soon). --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Jzyehoshua]] 19:38, 20 July 2012 (EDT)

== When did CreationWiki go down? ==

When did CreationWiki go down? And why? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:09, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
:Just today. I'm not sure why it's down. I'd been talking to Ashcraft lately about a possible fix to the code so footnotes don't change the line height (I asked about it on MediaWiki [http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Project:Support_desk&limit=20#Footnote_Line_Height_17453 here]). I'm hoping it's nothing more serious than a coding fix or maybe some temporary site outage. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Jzyehoshua]] 20:20, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
::CreationWiki liveesss!!! :) --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Jzyehoshua]] 21:46, 20 July 2012 (EDT)

== Line height ==

I notice Conservapedia has the same issue Creationwiki does, line-height alteration for lines with footnotes. I found a fix for this using a line height template, but to make it work here it needs to have other templates installed also, and apparently putting a lot of the }} brackets after each other isn't allowed on Conservapedia. So I can't install templates like Xpd, Xpd2, Purge, and lf, some or all of which are required to keep the template from messing up. I'll just remove the line-height template I was using at Creationwiki for right now I guess. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Jzyehoshua]] 01:33, 21 July 2012 (EDT)

The template only worked on a case-by-case basis anyway, so it was a pain to have to put it in for pages to make one page at a time look nice. To fix it site-wide I think would require adding a line to the MediaWiki:common.css file per the following discussion:
http://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Project:Support_desk&limit=20#Footnote_Line_Height_17453
--[[User:Jzyehoshua|Jzyehoshua]] 01:51, 21 July 2012 (EDT)

==Re: Conservacelt==

He looks suspicious to me, and much of his edits rely on liberal sources. With that being said, I suppose that we could give him another chance. I myself tried to change his block setting to two days after seeing that you changed his block setting to ten minutes, but I accidently blocked you instead... Sorry about that. - [[User:Markman|Markman]] 20:12, 23 July 2012 (EDT)
:I agree with a 2-3 day block, just not permanent. And you forgot to unblock my IP address, lol. I figured it out eventually. He made a serious mistake, reverting Mr. Schlafly's revert of his material, but this is something to be explained to him. It was a big mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. I hope he'd just be given a warning this time. I'll personally explain it to him on his page. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Jzyehoshua]] 20:25, 23 July 2012 (EDT)
::In retrospect I'm guessing that you're right, although I still retain my suspicion... Let's hope that after the next three days are over our he'll learn to behave himself. - [[User:Markman|Markman]] 20:39, 23 July 2012 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I think he will. I've seen a lot of vandals and what they would have done is blanked a whole page and added pure opinionated material. That he even bothered to use ref tags was a strong indication he wasn't a vandal, but someone making what he thought were good edits, and who just re-added it, not realizing who'd reverted it. I think it was just a new user not aware of site policy. On Wikipedia, you actually need to revert material 3 times, so policy here is quite a bit different from what he'd encounter there on other wikis. I think he'll learn from it. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Jzyehoshua]] 20:42, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

==Unblocking==
If you make a motion to unblock anyone, do a check of the block first. If the original block was unwarranted and/or minor, unblocking is fine. If the block was done by a senior admin, do not unblock unless you check with that person first. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 04:56, 27 July 2012 (EDT)
:The individual you just unblocked was reblocked by me; the individual was involved in heavy spam attacks on the site. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 04:59, 27 July 2012 (EDT)
::Alright, I didn't realize that. Were they a sockpuppet you mean? Or did they engage in spam some other way? Sorry about the mistake. I guess there's some info I'm not able to see from the logs, which is what I was going by. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 05:21, 27 July 2012 (EDT)
::I'd even checked deleted page logs for the user just to make sure they hadn't created a bad page that got deleted, and didn't see anything there. Just off the information I knew existed, I couldn't see any reason for the block, and apologize for the unblock. I will make sure to check with senior admins from now on too, I hadn't realized Ed Poor was one. I'll check with any users on this list[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop] first from now on, sorry about that. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 05:28, 27 July 2012 (EDT)

== Our main page conversation ==

Thought it might be more productive and discreet to continue our chat off the main page talk page. Here's my response:

:::::To deal with your first and second points: yes, the BBC is a special case; I cited it (a) because I'm British and (b) because the unique status of the BBC (publicly funded through a levy on TV owners, but kept as scrupulously away from political control as possible by means of its charter) means that it's the only media organization in my home country that is actually meant to be unbiased (I suppose the US equivalents would be PBS and NPR, though as I understand it their audiences are so vanishingly small as not to matter very much).

:::::All other media, in a free market, are free to present the news as they wish. So you have liberal media (NY Times, MSNBC) and conservative media (Fox, WSJ). I've spent some time professionally in media analysis (though not to do with political bias), and it's a very tricky, nuanced thing to do. But ultimately it doesn't matter: news media are free to present the news with whatever slant they want. Audiences decide which they like best. The free market works: the only problem, in a democracy, is when uneducated people believe uncritically whatever they are told, because their lack of education means they don't know better. Democracy founders on the ignorance and indifference of the electorate; that is its Achilles' heel, which is why I value education so highly. And this wiki purports to be an educational tool, which is why I devote so much time to it, (It's marketed as a home-schooling resource, which is laughable and terrifying in equal measure -- see the entry on E=mc2, for instance).

:::::I'm not convinced by your fourth point; let me tell you why. Yes, journalists tend to be better educated than the general public. But then you shift the blame to the colleges, which you claim exhibit liberal bias. Now, why should educational institutions be liberally biased? Perhaps because they tend to be located in urban centers, where people are more aware of the diversity of the society around them? (Cities are almost always more liberal than rural areas.) Perhaps because the very process of becoming educated exposes students to diversity, and causes them to be more aware of different people, and of how society as a whole works? One of the things any educational institution worthy of the name must do is encourage critical thinking, so that students question what they are told rather than swallowing it without tasting. It's possible to go through all of this and yet emerge with a conservative viewpoint; I have many highly educated friends who have.

:::::In sum, I don't believe the assertion that colleges have a liberal bias. The bias they have is against ignorance and prejudice. Much of this wiki, in contrast, is biased in favor of ignorance and prejudice. --[[User:Esseph|Esseph]] 16:34, 29 July 2012 (EDT)

:::::As far as the OpenSecrets.org data is concerned, no surprises there. Business owners expect the GOP to give them breaks; all the other groups you mention will tend to fare better under the Democrats. Note how the Texas GOP recently came out against educating children to think critically. -- [[User:Esseph|Esseph]] 16:48, 29 July 2012 (EDT)

:::::::Alright, that's fine. However, the fact of the matter is that here in the U.S., we have seen something of a takeover by liberals of whole industries in our country. I don't know if anything similar has happened in Europe, but this is a very real problem here in the United States. We let our court system become so liberalized that the liberals here were able to sue to force government to do pretty much whatever they want, and now require the teaching of Macroevolution, Abortion, and Homosexual role models[http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2011/07/gay-rights-california-jerry-brown-education/1] in public classrooms. All of this has occurred just over the past 4 decades or so, and is contrary to what our nation used to be like. As a result, the majority of our nation is much more socially conservative and is opposed to this takeover of our government to support a single partisan side.

:::::::76% of Americans oppose abortion after the 1st trimester (only 25% say it should be legal under any circumstances, and 13% under most)[http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx/], 46% believe in Young Earth Creationism and 32% in Old Earth Creationism (39% say YEC is definitely true and 27% that it's probably true)[http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/Evolution-Creationism-Intelligent-Design.aspx], and 76% support voluntary prayer in public schools.[http://www.gallup.com/poll/1612/education.aspx#2] Support for gay marriage remains borderline, with 50% support.[http://www.gallup.com/poll/117328/marriage.aspx] The level of Americans with a "Great Deal" of support for our Education system has dropped now to an all-time low of 11% and those saying "Quite a Lot" are down to 18%, also a combined low.[http://www.gallup.com/poll/1612/education.aspx]

:::::::One reason educational centers tend to be biased is that we have a Department of Education here which controls them all.[http://www.ed.gov/] I don't know if England has one, but here it tends to be very liberal and governed by court decisions as well. Again, it forces the teachings of liberals here to indoctrinate students. Those who disagree, the socially conservative 2/3 of Americans (which includes by the way many Democrats and Independents[http://www.people-press.org/2005/05/10/profiles-of-the-typology-groups/][http://www.people-press.org/2011/05/04/typology-group-profiles/]), must homeschool and pursue alternative education (e.g. private schools). Also, colleges here actually get subsidized in large part by the government, especially by very liberal states.[http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/25/business/us-subsidies-to-for-profit-colleges-keep-growing.html?pagewanted=all] If you look at the budgets of many liberal states (Illinois, Wisconsin, California, etc.), you'll see Democrat lawmakers voted to subsidize the state's colleges, and that these have become such major drains on state budgets as to be a major reason states are going bankrupt here. Democrats can essentially control the institutions through government subsidies and the courts. It's just a bad system that's cropped up.

:::::::Finally, as far as tax breaks, actually, 1/3 of Obama's Stimulus consisted of tax cuts. Tax cuts are the least effective form of government spending, even moreso than spending on defense, which was one reason I criticized Obama's Stimulus so strongly.[http://www.peri.umass.edu/fileadmin/pdf/other_publication_types/PERI_IPS_WAND_study.pdf] (See pg. 6)
:::::::--[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 22:41, 29 July 2012 (EDT)

:::::::Also, I noticed you mentioned that the New York Times is liberal. Some think this, but I disagree. It's actually more moderate. NBC is even more liberal than FOX is conservative (especially since FOX at least has some liberal hosts like Alan Colmes and Bob Beckel whereas NBC has no conservatives I'm aware of). CBS is very liberal, as outlined in Bernie Goldberg's famous book, "Bias" (I have a copy). CNN and ABC are the ones with reputations as more middle of the road, but CNN definitely slants liberal also. That the other stations all slant left resulting in all the conservatives going to FOX News is pretty well evidenced by TV ratings - FOX has consistently been annihilating other stations for the past 8 years or so.[http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/07/27/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-july-26-2012/143000/] It's not uncommon for it to have more viewers in a given time slot than all other networks combined. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 22:56, 29 July 2012 (EDT)--[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 22:56, 29 July 2012 (EDT)

==Time to stop, kid==
Myself, Jpatt, and others know exactly what we are doing to protect this website; you don't. And right now, we are seeing in you someone who is making sure spammers, trolls, and vandals get in. It stops now. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 05:13, 31 July 2012 (EDT)
:I have a hard time believing 73% of all users are "spammers, trolls, and vandals", sorry. I've never seen a wiki that had 73% of all new users get banned like this. I can see the statistics over the past 11 days, and you and Jpatt banning 164 accounts over that time span is frankly ridiculous. Either you two are protecting the site as you say, or else you're sabotaging it. I'd like to know which. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 05:18, 31 July 2012 (EDT)
::You can believe what you want to believe, but you had better take this for what it's worth: I won't play the troll's games, I won't play the spammer's games, and I certainly am not going to play your games. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 05:23, 31 July 2012 (EDT)
:::My only game right now is figuring out why more than half the new users are getting banned by you and Jpatt. It's pretty hard for Conservapedia to thrive if it's got two admins wrongly banning all its new users to sabotage it from within. Maybe you are the good guys you claim but until I see this addressed, I'm just too new here to accept that claim blindly. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 05:27, 31 July 2012 (EDT)
::::Good question. I got banned for asking it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:21, September 9, 2025 (EDT)
:::And by the way, I don't understand why you were trying to pressure SharonW to leave also. She seemed like a good editor here, and you wanted her gone, even as you and Jpatt are steadily wiping out 2/3 of all the site's new accounts. Just a bit suspicious, sorry. I can't help that I have a curious mind. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 05:30, 31 July 2012 (EDT)
:::And on top of all this, if you're so innocent, it seems even more suspicious that you'd delete all the evidence showing all the new user accounts were getting deleted that I just posted on Conservative's talk page. Innocent people don't try to hide discussion, that's something the guilty do. Sorry, but I've got 3 major reasons in my mind right now to suspect you, and while I trust God I've gotten suspicious of people. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 05:36, 31 July 2012 (EDT)
:::And then there's the fourth reason, that first started me wondering. You called the Jzy account a sock account from Kansas with 3 accounts I never heard of. So I saw first-hand that your IP tracking and claims of sockpuppets were wrong. That's four strikes now. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 05:38, 31 July 2012 (EDT)

:::Last comment. I want this site to do well, or I wouldn't contribute like I do. But we CANNOT do well if we are losing 73% of our new users to blocks. I care about the site doing well and I wouldn't contest this issue like I do if I wasn't really worried about seeing 3/4 of the new accounts getting blocked. That's a serious danger to the site. If I came off as uncivil I do apologize, I was trying to be polite in saying it, and will abide by the 3-day block. But I do not apologize for my concern, this still worries me. --[[User:Jzyehoshua|Joshua Zambrano]] 05:51, 31 July 2012 (EDT)

== Removing Autoblocks ==

Stop it, seriously. How are accounts like "PrayingForKenToDie" or the explicit Sarah Palin one legitimate at all? They are trolling, quite clearly. --[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 10:37, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
:According to the block logs, the reason given was "user name policy: please consider recreating your account with a real first name and last initial: removing IP and account creation blocks to allow new account creation". All of the blocks had IP and account creation settings preventing this instruction from being carried out. Every single block had mistakenly included IP and account creation blocks contradicting such an instruction, and therefore I was just fixing the blocks so the block instructions could be followed. Like I said with my block summaries. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 10:45, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
:It makes no sense that you tell these people to create new accounts and then want them to have IP and account creation blocks preventing them from making new accounts. It left me no choice but to conclude the block settings were wrong, and to go about changing them. I just set the time to 1 year so I could apply the "Username policy" explanation, which doesn't show up for infinite blocks. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 10:47, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
:You should have discussed this with me before blocking me, obviously. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 10:48, 5 September 2012 (EDT)

:Basically I just made sure several dozen people who were told the past few months they needed to create new accounts, and then were blocked from being able to create new accounts, will now be able to create new accounts like they were told to. And you're trying to keep them from being able to create new accounts like they were told to. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 10:52, 5 September 2012 (EDT)

:While you're at it, how about explaining to me how so many blocks like this are telling people to create new accounts because of bad usernames are ending up with IP and account creation blocks? Is it that easy to mess up the block settings so that people whose only mistake was not making properly named usernames, won't be able to make new accounts? Why is this going on? Why are so many people getting IP and account creation block settings while being told to create new accounts? What kind of nutty system is this? --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 10:56, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
::It's the status quo. Get used to it, or go to [[Wikipedia]]. Usernames like those I mentioned above get infinite trolling blocks. No exceptions. --[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 11:09, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
:::Then the status quo is wrong, and I'm not going to support it. You shouldn't tell people to create new usernames and then block their account creation and IP addresses. That is ridiculous that this is so widespread. This is the kind of thing that occurs at Wikipedia, and shouldn't occur here. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 11:12, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
::::The status quo is not wrong. You are. Please refrain from discussing this further. --[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 11:16, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Well, there's a nice logical argument from you: "I'm right, you're wrong, don't talk to me." I really don't think this discussion is going anywhere so by all means take your own advice. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 11:20, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::Again, the problem is you. Please note [[90/10]] and your recent habit of edits. --[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 11:28, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::I just made dozens of edits creating a Climategate emails page, and have contributed hundreds of thousands of bytes of data in quality, productive edits so far over the past few months. For all my talking, I've also been extremely productive. You are more in violation of 90/10 I'm sure than I am. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 11:31, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::::"Productive"? That's a good one. --[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 11:37, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::So far I have yet to see you make a single logical argument, just snide insinuations and insults. Let me know when you're ready to actually discuss what's going on and then we can talk. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 11:38, 5 September 2012 (EDT)
===Creationwiki===
I hate to say it, but maybe you're right about going elsewhere. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 07:49, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

I need to believe in the direction of a wiki, and that people are being treated fairly by it. Maybe I should've never used my time here instead of at [[CreationWiki]]. Maybe I belong better there than here. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 07:50, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
:I too think James Wilson and Andy Schlafly treat you unfairly. Basically they seem to resent you for signaling a contradiction in the procedure for blocking users and for proactively trying to fix the error. I don't really understand why they would react with such aggression to a simple and honest attempt at improving the site. Their arguments ("you are not productive", " this is the status quo, live with it") ring hollow. [[User:Richman|Richman]] 08:23, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
::At least at Creationwiki I don't need to worry about seeing people banned permanently over silly things like username formatting. I will miss the debate section here, but maybe I can find a way for Creationwiki to start one somehow. If anyone needs me, I will be back over there where I came from. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 08:26, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
:::OK, bye. --[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 08:49, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
::::I hope you find inner peace and happiness. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 09:57, 6 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Thanks. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 10:01, 6 September 2012 (EDT)

== Reexamining Markman's Blocks ==

Since Markman has now admitted to being a parodist and is blocked himself, I am going through [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Markman&page=&year=&month=-1 his blocks] examining each one for fairness. I'm doing this by examining the contribution logs of the people blocked, as well as the [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&limit=500&type=delete&month=&year= deletion logs for that time period] (to make sure they weren't auto-generated spam accounts which made spam user pages that got deleted). --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 21:47, 2 September 2013 (EDT)
:Furthermore, some people are reporting difficulty accessing the site which I assume is due to overly broad IP blocking, or blocks that shouldn't have been made. So it's important to examine the blocks not just for those who might have been wrongly blocked, but current users who weren't blocked and are seemingly having trouble accessing Conservapedia because of the IP range blocks. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 21:48, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

==Fell for their parody, didn't you?==
The posting you made to Andy's talk page is restored; I'm making sure he sees it. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 23:36, 3 September 2013 (EDT)
:Alright, that's fine, it was removed as a courtesy to you, I actually didn't think you'd want it there. Your call. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 00:19, 4 September 2013 (EDT)

== Back ==

I'm back. Just so there's no confusion, this is editing I did on Wikipedia,[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/7157.118.25a] which will be reversed because I made clear who I was. Anyway, Wikipedia didn't want it, so it's coming here. Enjoy. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 17:10, 25 January 2015 (EST)

== quick note ==

I just saw you did add some worthwhile material to the homosexuality article. For example, the income/education information. I wish I could work with you on the article, but I can't do that right now.

I have your Facebook contact information for the future though. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:41, 26 January 2015 (EST)

== Sent you an email further explaining things ==

I sent you an email further explaining things. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:06, 26 January 2015 (EST)

=='I oppose warmongering'==

LOL.

You haven't edited in 10 years and you return with [[invective]] against a Senior Admin and post a bunch of [[warmongering]] stuff on MPR talk. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&curid=177902&action=history] Times have changed. (What is the argument here, military spending in [[Afghanistan]] should have been transferred to [[Ukrainian Nazi]]s in 2015 after the [[Maidan coup]]?)

Note: Please do not post user names in subheadings, edit summaries, or page titles. Thank you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 03:39, August 31, 2025 (EDT)

:Times have changed, I remember when Conservapedia didn't take a week to load a couple pages. I more or less made my arguments on the main talk page. I assumed you to be working for the Russian Internet Research Agency given all the Russian propaganda being spewed and badmouthing with apparently false claims a guy who just got assassinated by a Russian hit squad. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 01:59, September 2, 2025 (EDT)

::What goes around comes around, as they say.

::Anyway, it's looking like the patsy was one of his neighbors, according to [[Ukrainian]] [[propagandist]]s. [https://t.me/Slavyangrad/139479] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 02:07, September 2, 2025 (EDT)

::Talk before revert. You made the mistake of advertising in several places you came here after a 10 year absence specifically to [[troll]] me by name. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:41, September 10, 2025 (EDT)

= Thanks =

Thanks for your recent feedback, and it's great seeing you again, Joshua!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 19:00, November 15, 2025 (EST)

:Sure, looks like the site is running smoother now, good to see. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 14:59, November 28, 2025 (EST)

School vouchers

2025-11-15T06:14:22Z

JZambrano: /* Avoid Evolution Indoctrination */

'''Education vouchers''', as used in Cleveland and other U.S. cities, permit parents of [[public school]] children to choose any public or private school for their children they wish. The presumption is that they will make a wiser choice about which school will help their children learn, than local or state bureaucrats would.

A variant on the traditional school voucher plan is the "Educational Savings Account" (ESA), which would provide the funding directly to the parents instead of the school. This plan would (in theory) allow parents to choose schools which would not participate in a voucher plan (since the school would only get the funds indirectly), as well as allowing [[homeschooling]] parents to participate (traditional voucher plans do not include these parents).

==Arguments For==

===Avoid Evolution Indoctrination===

School Vouchers allow parents to keep their students from being indoctrinated with Hypothesis of Evolution beliefs so that their tax dollars go towards education consistent with their beliefs.
{{cquote|"Indeed, Emmanuel College in Gateshead, Britain, has an outstanding academic record and glowing reports from education standards inspectors. Yet leading misotheist Richard Dawkins still criticizes it—but not really because it teaches science badly, but doesn’t teach atheism or its pseudo-intellectual crutch, goo-to-you evolution. Similarly, the average American homeschooled student outperformed his public school peers by 30 to 37 percentile points across all subjects, and scored higher on the standard ACT and SAT tests. So likewise, the objections to homeschooling on the grounds of poor education are specious; the real reason is that Christian homeschooled children can escape the atheistic indoctrination." -Lita Sanders, ''Creation Ministries International.''<ref>Sanders, L. (2008, September 3). "[https://creation.com/en/articles/faith-based-attacks-on-religious-schools Faith-Based Attacks on Religious Schools.]" ''Creation Ministries International.''</ref>}}

==Arguments Against==

===Take Money from Public Schools===

The main secular argument against vouchers (and other such programs, like [[charter school]]s) is that they take money away from a given school, which makes it more difficult for the teachers to provide quality education for the remaining students (as well as not allowing the school to cover fixed costs such as building maintenance). While the result of a voucher program is good for the students who are able to take advantage of it, it severely disadvantages the remaining students, staff, and faculty.

===Biased Student Selection===

Another argument against school vouchers is the concern that private schools (which have the legal right to decide their own curriculum and who they will and will not accept as students in most cases, race being a significant exception at least in theory) will use the vouchers to accept only high-achieving students of outstanding character (and, in the case of Christian schools, only those who are Christians and hold to the school's specific doctrinal position), leaving the public schools "saddled" with the responsibility for non-Christian students and Christian students holding to differing doctrinal views, students with learning disabilities and students who would pose "disciplinary risks" (the latter being very loosely defined depending on whether the Christian school wants a student or not; school voucher opponents claim that this is used as a backdoor method of rejecting students based on race).

===Government Control===

School vouchers are also opposed among some Christian groups, on the belief that once a school begins taking government money, it allows the government to potentially end up dictating what the school (and, where applicable, its sponsoring church) can and cannot teach. Charles F. Johnson, a [[Fort Worth]], [[Texas]] minister and head of Pastors for Texas Children (a group opposing school vouchers), made the following comment expressing his concerns about the potential for government abuse in the school voucher arena:<ref>Cruz, K. (2018, February 28). "[https://www.fwweekly.com/2018/02/28/the-pulpit-and-the-pendulum The (Pul)pit and the Pendulum.]" ''Fort Worth Weekly.''</ref>

<blockquote>"Religious liberty is a huge piece of Pastors for Texas Children,” he said. “We believe that if the state starts giving money to church schools, then the next step is the state’s going to tell that church school what curriculum they can use and the next step is to tell them what they can and cannot preach in the church school and what they can and can’t say in their congregation. We just don’t want the state getting their fingers into a church school that way."</blockquote>

==Polls==

===School Vouchers===

* A 2024 ''EdChoice'' poll found 67% of Americans support School Vouchers compared to 32% opposed, and 78% of school parents support School Vouchers compared to 22% opposed.<ref name=pollingprimer>EdChoice (2025). "[https://www.edchoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/2025-Polling-Primer.pdf Polling Primer.]" ''EdChoice.''</ref>
* A 2004 ''Gallup'' poll found 22% favor school vouchers, 16% oppose them, and 62% are unsure. This was down, however, from a 2002 ''Gallup'' poll which found 29% favored school vouchers, 15% opposed them, and 16% were unsure.<ref>N.A. (2004, August 9-11). "[https://news.gallup.com/poll/1612/education.aspx Education.]" ''Gallup.''</ref>

===Education Savings Accounts===

* A 2025 ''EdChoice'' poll found 83% of school parents support Education Savings Accounts (ESAs) compared to only 17% opposed.<ref>Ritter, C. (2025, September 17). "[https://www.edchoice.org/inside-the-2025-schooling-in-america-survey/ Inside the 2025 Schooling in America Survey.]" ''EdChoice.''</ref> 2024 ''EdChoice'' polling found 76% of Americans support ESAs compared to 21% opposed, and 84% of school parents support ESAs compared to 16% opposed.<ref name=pollingprimer/>

==See also==
*[[failing schools]]
*[[No Child Left Behind]]
*[[Religiosity and the growing use of vouchers and homeschooling]]
*[https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/13/texas-school-vouchers-other-states/ Texas Tribune summary of programs as of Oct. 13, 2023]

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[https://www.newsmax.com/US/US-Louisiana-School-Vouchers/2013/09/18/id/526451 La. Gov. Jindal Demands Feds Drop School Voucher Suit] - 18 Sep 2013

[[Category:Educational Reform]]

School vouchers

2025-11-15T06:13:36Z

JZambrano: /* Government Control */

'''Education vouchers''', as used in Cleveland and other U.S. cities, permit parents of [[public school]] children to choose any public or private school for their children they wish. The presumption is that they will make a wiser choice about which school will help their children learn, than local or state bureaucrats would.

A variant on the traditional school voucher plan is the "Educational Savings Account" (ESA), which would provide the funding directly to the parents instead of the school. This plan would (in theory) allow parents to choose schools which would not participate in a voucher plan (since the school would only get the funds indirectly), as well as allowing [[homeschooling]] parents to participate (traditional voucher plans do not include these parents).

==Arguments For==

===Avoid Evolution Indoctrination===

School Vouchers allow parents to keep their students from being indoctrinated with Hypothesis of Evolution beliefs so that their tax dollars go towards education consistent with their beliefs.

{{cquote|"Indeed, Emmanuel College in Gateshead, Britain, has an outstanding academic record and glowing reports from education standards inspectors. Yet leading misotheist Richard Dawkins still criticizes it—but not really because it teaches science badly, but doesn’t teach atheism or its pseudo-intellectual crutch, goo-to-you evolution. Similarly, the average American homeschooled student outperformed his public school peers by 30 to 37 percentile points across all subjects, and scored higher on the standard ACT and SAT tests. So likewise, the objections to homeschooling on the grounds of poor education are specious; the real reason is that Christian homeschooled children can escape the atheistic indoctrination." -Lita Sanders, ''Creation Ministries International.''<ref>Sanders, L. (2008, September 3). "[https://creation.com/en/articles/faith-based-attacks-on-religious-schools Faith-Based Attacks on Religious Schools.]" ''Creation Ministries International.''</ref>}}

==Arguments Against==

===Take Money from Public Schools===

The main secular argument against vouchers (and other such programs, like [[charter school]]s) is that they take money away from a given school, which makes it more difficult for the teachers to provide quality education for the remaining students (as well as not allowing the school to cover fixed costs such as building maintenance). While the result of a voucher program is good for the students who are able to take advantage of it, it severely disadvantages the remaining students, staff, and faculty.

===Biased Student Selection===

Another argument against school vouchers is the concern that private schools (which have the legal right to decide their own curriculum and who they will and will not accept as students in most cases, race being a significant exception at least in theory) will use the vouchers to accept only high-achieving students of outstanding character (and, in the case of Christian schools, only those who are Christians and hold to the school's specific doctrinal position), leaving the public schools "saddled" with the responsibility for non-Christian students and Christian students holding to differing doctrinal views, students with learning disabilities and students who would pose "disciplinary risks" (the latter being very loosely defined depending on whether the Christian school wants a student or not; school voucher opponents claim that this is used as a backdoor method of rejecting students based on race).

===Government Control===

School vouchers are also opposed among some Christian groups, on the belief that once a school begins taking government money, it allows the government to potentially end up dictating what the school (and, where applicable, its sponsoring church) can and cannot teach. Charles F. Johnson, a [[Fort Worth]], [[Texas]] minister and head of Pastors for Texas Children (a group opposing school vouchers), made the following comment expressing his concerns about the potential for government abuse in the school voucher arena:<ref>Cruz, K. (2018, February 28). "[https://www.fwweekly.com/2018/02/28/the-pulpit-and-the-pendulum The (Pul)pit and the Pendulum.]" ''Fort Worth Weekly.''</ref>

<blockquote>"Religious liberty is a huge piece of Pastors for Texas Children,” he said. “We believe that if the state starts giving money to church schools, then the next step is the state’s going to tell that church school what curriculum they can use and the next step is to tell them what they can and cannot preach in the church school and what they can and can’t say in their congregation. We just don’t want the state getting their fingers into a church school that way."</blockquote>

==Polls==

===School Vouchers===

* A 2024 ''EdChoice'' poll found 67% of Americans support School Vouchers compared to 32% opposed, and 78% of school parents support School Vouchers compared to 22% opposed.<ref name=pollingprimer>EdChoice (2025). "[https://www.edchoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/2025-Polling-Primer.pdf Polling Primer.]" ''EdChoice.''</ref>
* A 2004 ''Gallup'' poll found 22% favor school vouchers, 16% oppose them, and 62% are unsure. This was down, however, from a 2002 ''Gallup'' poll which found 29% favored school vouchers, 15% opposed them, and 16% were unsure.<ref>N.A. (2004, August 9-11). "[https://news.gallup.com/poll/1612/education.aspx Education.]" ''Gallup.''</ref>

===Education Savings Accounts===

* A 2025 ''EdChoice'' poll found 83% of school parents support Education Savings Accounts (ESAs) compared to only 17% opposed.<ref>Ritter, C. (2025, September 17). "[https://www.edchoice.org/inside-the-2025-schooling-in-america-survey/ Inside the 2025 Schooling in America Survey.]" ''EdChoice.''</ref> 2024 ''EdChoice'' polling found 76% of Americans support ESAs compared to 21% opposed, and 84% of school parents support ESAs compared to 16% opposed.<ref name=pollingprimer/>

==See also==
*[[failing schools]]
*[[No Child Left Behind]]
*[[Religiosity and the growing use of vouchers and homeschooling]]
*[https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/13/texas-school-vouchers-other-states/ Texas Tribune summary of programs as of Oct. 13, 2023]

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[https://www.newsmax.com/US/US-Louisiana-School-Vouchers/2013/09/18/id/526451 La. Gov. Jindal Demands Feds Drop School Voucher Suit] - 18 Sep 2013

[[Category:Educational Reform]]

School vouchers

2025-11-15T06:11:27Z

JZambrano: merging in some material I wrote for Creationwiki at https://creationwiki.org/School_Vouchers, improving page structure

'''Education vouchers''', as used in Cleveland and other U.S. cities, permit parents of [[public school]] children to choose any public or private school for their children they wish. The presumption is that they will make a wiser choice about which school will help their children learn, than local or state bureaucrats would.

A variant on the traditional school voucher plan is the "Educational Savings Account" (ESA), which would provide the funding directly to the parents instead of the school. This plan would (in theory) allow parents to choose schools which would not participate in a voucher plan (since the school would only get the funds indirectly), as well as allowing [[homeschooling]] parents to participate (traditional voucher plans do not include these parents).

==Arguments For==

===Avoid Evolution Indoctrination===

School Vouchers allow parents to keep their students from being indoctrinated with Hypothesis of Evolution beliefs so that their tax dollars go towards education consistent with their beliefs.

{{cquote|"Indeed, Emmanuel College in Gateshead, Britain, has an outstanding academic record and glowing reports from education standards inspectors. Yet leading misotheist Richard Dawkins still criticizes it—but not really because it teaches science badly, but doesn’t teach atheism or its pseudo-intellectual crutch, goo-to-you evolution. Similarly, the average American homeschooled student outperformed his public school peers by 30 to 37 percentile points across all subjects, and scored higher on the standard ACT and SAT tests. So likewise, the objections to homeschooling on the grounds of poor education are specious; the real reason is that Christian homeschooled children can escape the atheistic indoctrination." -Lita Sanders, ''Creation Ministries International.''<ref>Sanders, L. (2008, September 3). "[https://creation.com/en/articles/faith-based-attacks-on-religious-schools Faith-Based Attacks on Religious Schools.]" ''Creation Ministries International.''</ref>}}

==Arguments Against==

===Take Money from Public Schools===

The main secular argument against vouchers (and other such programs, like [[charter school]]s) is that they take money away from a given school, which makes it more difficult for the teachers to provide quality education for the remaining students (as well as not allowing the school to cover fixed costs such as building maintenance). While the result of a voucher program is good for the students who are able to take advantage of it, it severely disadvantages the remaining students, staff, and faculty.

===Biased Student Selection===

Another argument against school vouchers is the concern that private schools (which have the legal right to decide their own curriculum and who they will and will not accept as students in most cases, race being a significant exception at least in theory) will use the vouchers to accept only high-achieving students of outstanding character (and, in the case of Christian schools, only those who are Christians and hold to the school's specific doctrinal position), leaving the public schools "saddled" with the responsibility for non-Christian students and Christian students holding to differing doctrinal views, students with learning disabilities and students who would pose "disciplinary risks" (the latter being very loosely defined depending on whether the Christian school wants a student or not; school voucher opponents claim that this is used as a backdoor method of rejecting students based on race).

===Government Control===

School vouchers are also opposed among some Christian groups, on the belief that once a school begins taking government money, it allows the government to potentially end up dictating what the school (and, where applicable, its sponsoring church) can and cannot teach. Charles F. Johnson, a [[Fort Worth]], [[Texas]] minister and head of Pastors for Texas Children (a group opposing school vouchers), made the following comment expressing his concerns about the potential for government abuse in the school voucher arena:<ref>https://www.fwweekly.com/2018/02/28/the-pulpit-and-the-pendulum/</ref>

<blockquote>"Religious liberty is a huge piece of Pastors for Texas Children,” he said. “We believe that if the state starts giving money to church schools, then the next step is the state’s going to tell that church school what curriculum they can use and the next step is to tell them what they can and cannot preach in the church school and what they can and can’t say in their congregation. We just don’t want the state getting their fingers into a church school that way."</blockquote>

==Polls==

===School Vouchers===

* A 2024 ''EdChoice'' poll found 67% of Americans support School Vouchers compared to 32% opposed, and 78% of school parents support School Vouchers compared to 22% opposed.<ref name=pollingprimer>EdChoice (2025). "[https://www.edchoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/2025-Polling-Primer.pdf Polling Primer.]" ''EdChoice.''</ref>
* A 2004 ''Gallup'' poll found 22% favor school vouchers, 16% oppose them, and 62% are unsure. This was down, however, from a 2002 ''Gallup'' poll which found 29% favored school vouchers, 15% opposed them, and 16% were unsure.<ref>N.A. (2004, August 9-11). "[https://news.gallup.com/poll/1612/education.aspx Education.]" ''Gallup.''</ref>

===Education Savings Accounts===

* A 2025 ''EdChoice'' poll found 83% of school parents support Education Savings Accounts (ESAs) compared to only 17% opposed.<ref>Ritter, C. (2025, September 17). "[https://www.edchoice.org/inside-the-2025-schooling-in-america-survey/ Inside the 2025 Schooling in America Survey.]" ''EdChoice.''</ref> 2024 ''EdChoice'' polling found 76% of Americans support ESAs compared to 21% opposed, and 84% of school parents support ESAs compared to 16% opposed.<ref name=pollingprimer/>

==See also==
*[[failing schools]]
*[[No Child Left Behind]]
*[[Religiosity and the growing use of vouchers and homeschooling]]
*[https://www.texastribune.org/2023/10/13/texas-school-vouchers-other-states/ Texas Tribune summary of programs as of Oct. 13, 2023]

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[https://www.newsmax.com/US/US-Louisiana-School-Vouchers/2013/09/18/id/526451 La. Gov. Jindal Demands Feds Drop School Voucher Suit] - 18 Sep 2013

[[Category:Educational Reform]]

Talk:Main Page

2025-11-15T06:03:33Z

JZambrano: /* Transgender Animal Experiment Funding Cut */ new section

[[Talk:Main Page/Archive index]]

==War news==
*[[UK]], [[France]], [[Belgium]], [[Canada]], [[Australia]], [[Portugal]], [[Luxembourg]] & [[Monaco]] officially recognize [[Palestine]].
:[[User:Conservative]]: Does this mean [[America]]'s allies will go to [[war]] against [[Israel]]? or at the least provide Palestine "aid and comfort"? Seems to me, they already did by granting them recognition. Can US allies be trusted in the [[war]] against Russia? Where is the [[liberal claptrap]] [[User:Conservative]] just posted up about the strength of US allies?

:What does your [[AI]] say, that does all your [[thinking]] for you?
:...Go ahead, take 6-8 weeks to respond, if ever.
:::::Still waiting... [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:59, October 23, 2025 (EDT)
:::::Still waiting. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:41, October 26, 2025 (EDT)
:::::Still waiting. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:05, October 31, 2025 (EDT)
::lemme 'splain a simple fact in military/geopolitical science: Expect major developments in Sept. & Oct - just before the winter sets in and fighting slows. That way we are subjected to 6 mos. of [[propaganda]] about who's the good guys and who's the bad guys before major fighting resumes next spring. (Examples: [[WWI]] started Aug. 1, [[WWII]] Sept. 1, [[Phony war]], etc. [https://youtu.be/fnamkFCprT4?list=RDfnamkFCprT4 I'll be home for Christmas]).

:::'''Putin:''' "If our oil and petroleum products volumes slump on the world market, it will lead to a spike in the price of oil and petroleum products, including at the gas stations, and the [[United States]] is no exception...And if we take into account the [[domestic]] political calendar in the states, it is clear how sensitive some processes here will be...And those who suggest such decisions to the current administration need to understand who they are working for”.

:::'''Trump:''' "I’m glad he feels that way...That’s good...I’ll let you know about it in six months from now" [https://t.me/c/2117167313/51345]

:::'''[[Peskov]]:''' "We will see, indeed...God willing, we will see what happens in six months...We see what we have now...We see what was a year ago, two years ago...God willing, we will see what happens both in six months and in a year".

::::Note: [[US]] sanctions on [[Russian oil]] are meaningless. The US does not buy [[Russian oil]] ([https://en.usm.media/despite-the-embargo-the-tanker-brought-russian-oil-to-the-us-navy-base/ except for the US Navy]). US sanctions are intended as a pressure tactic on third parties to go along, otherwise known as the "[[weaponization of the dollar]]" or "weaponization of the global finance system" which is, or already has, backfired with the creation of [[BRICS]], [[dedollarization]], and the rising [[gold]] price (because foreign banks & governments are dumping the dollar cause they are losing [[confidence]] in it) Sanctions and [[economic]] [[blackmail]] are not the way to go about rebuilding [[confidence]].

*[[Berletic]]: [https://thealtworld.com/anthony_cartalucci/future-global-order-pivots-on-ukraine-proxy-war Future Global Order Pivots on Ukraine Proxy War]
*[[Mark Wauck]]: [https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/trumps-russia-policy-descending-into Trump's Russia Policy Descending Into Chaos];
:*[[Korybko]]: [[Putin]]'s offer to extend [[New START]] is a [[goodwill]] gesture to [[Trump]]. [https://korybko.substack.com/p/putins-offer-to-extend-the-new-start]
:*[[Trump]] orders resumption of [[nuclear bomb|nuclear testing]]. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/trump-orders-pentagon-to-begin-nuclear-weapons-tests/ar-AA1Pspr0?ocid=BingNewsSerp]
:*Putin has signed a law formally denouncing the 2000 U.S.–Russia [[plutonium]] disposal agreement, which required both sides to eliminate 34 tons of weapons-grade material. The Kremlin cited “strategic instability” and “unfriendly U.S. actions”, demanding that sanctions be lifted and Russia compensated for losses before any new framework could be considered. [https://t.me/GeoSight/13052][https://kyivindependent.com/russia-withdraws-from-us-deal-to-dispose-of-plutonium/]
::*German journalist Rainer Munz: This is a clear signal from Vladimir Putin to Donald Trump — Russia does not yield to pressure. This agreement was ratified in 2011. According to the document, America and Russia were supposed to destroy 34 tons of weapons-grade plutonium. The agreement is now being terminated for a reason: Donald Trump recently imposed sanctions on Russia, and Vladimir Putin decided to keep his plutonium suitable for creating nuclear weapons. It must be a guarantee of strength for Russia. For the world, this is a signal that the era of disarmament is over. [https://t.me/Slavyangrad/146293]

*[https://www.rt.com/news/626988-germany-deindustrialization-ww2-defeat/ Germany is doing to itself what even its defeat in WWII couldn’t][https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/germany-blows-last-nuclear-plant-towers-while-economy-collapses]

*[[Godfrey Bloom]]: [https://youtu.be/bMz2J8Sis8U NATO - The Unsettling Truth... WAR WAR WAR!]
:In which Bloom explains the sad realities of the current situation.
*[https://youtu.be/O0XBnr4RgGU Nuclear Arms Race in Full Swing] /[[Lt Col Daniel Davis]] & [[Scott Horton]]
*MP from Zelensky's "Servant of the People" party: [https://en.topcor.ru/65488-soratnik-zelenskogo-v-batalonah-ne-ostalos-pehoty-tam-13-komandirov-na-odnogo-soldata.html?ysclid=mhb9b5we60683735870 Some battalions have 13 commanders for every one infantryman]. [https://t.me/myLordBebo/87153]
*[[Marat Khairullin]]: [[AFU]] against AFU; Who will take revenge on the [[Nazi]]s? [https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/afu-against-afu-who-will-take-revenge]

*[https://t.me/intelslava/79847 US will withdraw part of its troops not only from Romania but also from Bulgaria, Hungary, and Slovakia, reports the Romanian publication g4media.]
:Looks like the [[Miami]] [[Witkoff]]-[[Dmitriev]] talks are paying off. [[Russia]] can handle the [[NATO]] [[Nazi]]s without the [[US]] backing them up. Don't think this is a realistic interpretation? Listen to the [[Belgian]] defense minister: "If Russia strikes [[Brussels]], [[Moscow]] will be wiped off the map". Oooo, tuff words.
*[[Atlantic Council]]: [https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/russias-advance-on-pokrovsk-exposes-ukraines-growing-manpower-crisis/ The Battle of Pokrovsk has exposed Ukraine's shortage of soldiers]
:Better 3 year late for these [[idiot]]s than never. After spending $350 Billion of your [[money]], anybody want to sign up and go fight for a losing cause?
*[https://thealtworld.com/thierry_meyssan/anti-russian-propaganda-and-preparation-for-war-against-russia Anti-Russian Propaganda and Preparation for War Against Russia]
:''While [[deep state]] [[propaganda]] convinces [[public opinion]] that [[Russia]] is [[evil]], armies are being prepared for [[war]] before our very [[eye]]s. The [[Chief of Staff]] of the [[French]] [[Army]], General Pierre Schill, has just announced to the National Assembly that he is preparing for the next war against Russia. Meanwhile, the [[Polish]] Deputy [[Prime Minister]] has announced that he will intercept [[Vladimir Putin]]’s presidential plane. Alone against all his allies, [[Donald Trump]] is trying to preserve world [[peace]].'' [https://thealtworld.com/thierry_meyssan/anti-russian-propaganda-and-preparation-for-war-against-russia]

*[https://www.bitchute.com/video/1SlAQmpNayTa Ukrainian armed forces killed unarmed civilians who tried to reach Russian soldiers carrying a white flag.] [Videos]
:''The first [[drone]] deliberately struck a man walking with his [[dog]], and the second hit an elderly man following behind. Seeing what happened to the person in front of him, the old man even prayed before his death.
:*[https://www.bitchute.com/video/mZg18xx4CUaB Kupyansk: Another Crime of the Kiev Regime.]
::''An elderly [[woman]] went out to greet what she hoped would be her liberation (i.e. the [[Russian army]]). A [[Ukrainian Armed Forces]] [[drone]] watched her face for a long time. It watched as she crossed herself and begged for mercy.
:::[Comment: The "watched her face for a long time" in the report, as can be seen in the [[video]], was likely a pause by the [[drone]] operator who asked the commander what to do in such a situation and was given the instruction to kill. -Ed.]
:*[[Rick Sanchez]]: [https://youtu.be/4FLmUFEag7M Drones Strike Civilians Fleeing War]
:*[[Patrick Lancaster]]: [https://patricklancasternewstoday.substack.com/p/ukraine-executes-civilians-as-they\ Ukraine Executes Civilians As They try to Escape To Russia. AGAIN!]

*[https://youtu.be/viHJ81FIwSc Zelensky Faces Revolt: Ukrainian Troops Refuse Orders and Surrender to Russian Forces].

*''Global Affairs'': [https://globalaffairs.ru/articles/czifrovaya-vojna-baluevskij-puhov/ Digital War - A New Reality].

*[[BORZZIKMAN]]: [https://youtu.be/GIdFteLprX4 Russian Marines surrounded U.S. Army Officers and an Elite NATO Assault Team in KUPYANSK].
:''Is this who the failed Black Hawk assault were trying to evacuate?''

*[[HistoryLegends]]: [https://youtu.be/aYj3QiHlUcA Ukraine Facing CATASTROPHIC Defeat in Pokrovsk].
:Most Westerners do not understand the Russian way of war when they read headlines like this. They expect it to end with a big bang. However, we've seen this over and over again, especially in this conflict. The Russians set up a "kill zone" within a pocket, leaving one way in and one way out. They allow [[NATO]]/[[Zelensky regime]] to continue feeding men into the pocket where there is no escape. Then the Russians move on, or prioritize another sector of the front to set up another encirclement and kill zone. As killing or "demilitarization" goes on for days, weeks, months, or years, Western [[propaganda]] claims the Russian offensive is failing, and the West continues feeding men & material into the pocket - accomplishing the Russian objective of demilitarization where there is no escape. [[HistoryLegends]] calls it [https://youtu.be/aYj3QiHlUcA "The Zelensky Doctrine" - "If you face encirclement on three sides, look at the exit and charge the opposite way."] (IMO, it's unfair to blame Zelensky alone - this "[[strategy]]" is coming from [[Brussels]], [[Wiesbaden]], & the [[Pentagon]]. The "[[strategy]]" is to degrade, i.e. exterminate, ''both'' Russian ''and'' [[Ukrainian]] manpower, since as they have stated several times, Ukraine will never be part of [[NATO]]). The [[NATO]]/[[Ukraine]] "strategy" is beyond [[stupid]]ity, incompetence or mere "reckless disregard of human life". It is deliberate to de-populate the [[Donbas]] & [[Ukraine]] for easier access to [[natural resources]] for [[Western]] [[oligarch]]s. Make no mistake: the war has been commanded by [[NATO]] & the [[Pentagon]] since the beginning. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:50, November 6, 2025 (EST)
::More on de-miltarization of [[NATO]] and [[the West]]: One question analysts have been asking for more than 3 years is why [[Russia]] did not destroy bridges crossing the [[Dnieper River]] which were facilitating transport of Western military aid and equipment to the front in Eastern Ukraine? The answer is simple: Russia allowed the aid and equipment into the kill zone where it could be destroyed, which largely has happened exposing the fact that NATO, led by the [[United States]], is/was incapable of industrial competition with the [[Russian Federation]].
:*MoA: [https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/11/this-ukraine-report-is-one-of-a-kind.html This Ukraine War Report Is One Of A Kind].
::Reading between the lines of its flowery language, you'll see [[Euromaidanpress]] confirms exactly what I said, "The Russians set up a kill zone" within a pocket, leaving one way in and one way out. They allow [[NATO]]/[[Zelensky regime]] to continue feeding men into the pocket where there is no escape. Then the Russians move on, or prioritize another sector of the front to set up another encirclement and kill zone."
::''Euromaidain is one of kind. No one else is reporting such nonsense. The Ukrainian counterattack north of Pokrovsk, which was launched a week ago, has failed. The pocket is closed. Pokorvsk is to 90% under Russian control. Ukrainian forces left in Myrnograd have no way out....That is at least what other observers of the conflict, '''including western media''', are claiming: Gradually, then suddenly – Ukraine’s valiant defence of Pokrovsk is nearing its end (archived) – [[The Economist]], Nov 6 2025. [[The Washington Post]], [[New York Times]], [[Le Monde]] and others agree.''

::The logic here is quite simple: Once a kill zone is set up, food supplies, fresh drinking water & medical evacuation cut off, the Russians stop fighting aggressively and move their best fighting troops on to prioritize a [[cauldron]] & kill zone in another sector of the front, leaving behind a mop up operation to kill Ukrainian troops who refuse surrender instructions or try to fight their way out (what [[AFU]] propaganda calls a "counterattack").

*[https://youtu.be/kpFmcixZj0I Blackouts Across Ukraine : Massive russian Attack Shuts Down All Thermal Power Plants | News Update]
:It's a losing cause. Ken can pick up a gun and go die in the [[Pokrovsk]] meatgrinder (or face 30 years in prison as a foreign [[mercenary]] and [[terrorist]]), but it won't do any good. (Note: Russian prisons are operated on the [[capitalist]] system. Prisoners are not housed and fed at the taxpayers expense. They have to support themselves through [[labor productivity|productive labor]], as well as produce a [[profit]] to support the prison administration. Most Russian [[citizen]]s on the street understand this and generally are smart enough to avoid breaches of the [[criminal]] [[law]]. In America and most of [[the West]]ern system, [[taxpayer]]s who often cannot afford [[healthcare]] [[insurance]] for themselves are forced to pay the living expenses of law-violators in prisons - which includes unlimited free healthcare, including [[sex change]] surgeries and the attendant lifetime hormone replacement maintenance costs that go with it.)
:*[[CIA]]-controlled ''[[Kyiv Independent]]'' (the name should give you a clue): [https://kyivindependent.com/all-ukraines-state-owned-thermal-power-plants-stop-working-after-russias-largest-ever-attack/ All thermal power plants operated by Ukraine's state-owned energy company Centrenergo are down following the largest Russian attack which targeted all of them on 8 November].
*[[Mark Wauck]]: [https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/ukraine-thinking-about-the-military Ukraine; Thinking About The Military; Stimulus Checks Are Back].
*[https://sonar21.com/lavrov-reaffirms-russias-demands-to-end-the-war-as-ukraine-crumbles-under-withering-attacks/ Lavrov Reaffirms Russia’s Demands to End the War as Ukraine Crumbles Under Withering Attacks].
*[https://t.me/Slavyangrad/147518 Russian make-a-wish foundation]
*[[NATO]]/[[Ukraine]] [[terror]] attack on [[Russia]]. [https://t.me/IntelRepublic/50049] 9-year-old fingers blown off. [https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/16214]

===China===
*''In the background of the Trump - Xi meeting, we see the broad contours of President Trump’s strategy toward both the Russia-Ukraine conflict and the China-Canada trade relationship...putting distance between Russia and China is not averse to the interests of Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, who would strategically prefer to do business with the ‘West’ over Beijing. However, China does not want to see their Biden-created tentacle weakened in Russia. China retains a vision of a global [[financial]] market option beyond the dollar, and Xi plays that long-term strategy game with Putin quite effectively....'' [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/10/26/ustr-jamieson-greer-provides-background-on-u-s-china-trade-discussions-trump-meeting-with-xi-pending/]
*[https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/beijing-accelerates-de-dollarization-as-global-yuan-loans-hit-new-record/ar-AA1P5Rnx Beijing accelerates de-dollarization]
*[[Mark Wauck]]: [https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/china-week-3-turbo-taco China Week (3): Turbo TACO?]
*Simplicius: [https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/trump-xi-face-off-for-all-the-marbles Trump-Xi Face Off for All the Marbles in South Korea] (excerpts)
:''Trump says China agreed to delay [[rare earth]] restrictions. China’s official statement says nothing of the sort. Three points were confirmed:
:''– U.S. suspends tariffs for one year.
:''– U.S. suspends export bans for one year.
:''– U.S. suspends 301 investigations for one year.
:''No mention of rare earths. No mention of [[TikTok]]. No [[Nvidia]] chips.
:'''''Once again, Trump [[negotiate]]d with his own imagination, and declared victory over [[reality]].'''
:''The fact of the matter is that the posturing with China is really all about obscuring the US’s economic demise, while also gaining leverage, sabotaging, and undercutting China as much as possible. This is because the US political class has no answers at all for its own failing economy, and thus must rely exclusively on the strategy of hamstringing its competitors. It’s all an act meant to forestall China’s takeover to buy time for the US corporo-political class to figure out a way to reset US’s runaway debt spiral and hyper-financialized Babylonian tower—which many now believe will happen by crypto-izing US debt:
::''AMERICA WANTS TO HAVE ALL THEIR 37 TRILLION DEBT IN CRYPTO then crash the market, eliminating the debt.

:''Translation: EXPORT THE DEBT TO OTHER NATIONS

:''This plan was enumerated in particular at the Eastern Economic Forum recently by Putin’s special advisor Anton Kobyakov: U.S. CRYPTO PLOT EXPOSED: Wiping $35 trillion debt on world’s dime

::''“The US will solve their financial problems at the expense of the whole world, driving everyone into the crypto-currency cloud. Over time, when part of the US state debt will be placed in stablecoins, the US will devalue this debt,” Putin’s advisor Kobyakov revealed.

:''Everyone is talking about it now, from major [[MSM]] publications like, in this case, [[Reuters]]: [https://www.reuters.com/markets/stablecoins-might-reboot-us-exorbitant-privilege-2025-09-10/]
:''To even [[Larry Fink]] himself, who made some coincidentally ‘interesting’ statements on crypto recently, just as [[Peter Thiel]] hinted that [[BlackRock]] might have coopted all [[Bitcoin]]:
::''When a guy managing $13T says owning crypto makes sense because governments will keep killing their currencies... that’s your clue. The system’s insiders are quietly admitting what Bitcoiners knew all along. Watch what they do, not what they preach.

:''...the theatrics with [[China]] and various [[tariff]] seesaws appear more a distraction and desperate time-buying theater. '''The US is [[insolvent]] and its entire [[economy]] is increasingly hinged on nothing more than an empty [[AI]] [[capital]] washing machine''' spinning the same inflating ball of lint in circles as the [[pleb]]s are immiserated beyond the breaking point.

:''A new caste of crypto and [[finance]] speculators ride the wave of vapor-tech euphoria, enriching themselves to unseen heights while lending the [[false]] sense of an economic ‘boom’. In reality, they are merely bone oracles of a modern technomantic gematria—the black magic of finance, which has garrotted the world with its all-consuming art. Under such a shadow, what possible significance could Trump’s petty pilpul sessions on tariffs really have in the long run?

:''The rest of the world only follows suit into the abyss, while'' useless leaders with 11% approvals [Ed: i.e. [[Europe ]] [[Starmer]], [[Macron]], [[Merz]] ''et al''] ''play dress up in vain attempts to stem the coming storm.''

::Since [[User:Conservative]] has worked so hard over the past 3 1/2 years to make ''[[The New York Times]]'' a credible source, [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template%3AMainpageright&diff=2170785&oldid=2170763 let's run with it].

*[https://thealtworld.com/pepe_escobar/tech-sinica-chinas-relentless-innovation-drive Tech Sinica – China’s Relentless Innovation Drive]

===Venezuela===
*[https://x.com/afshinrattansi/status/1984627416019714568 Nobel ‘Peace’ Prize Winner and CIA asset Maria Corina Machado endorses US military action against her own country].

===Colombia===
*[https://colombiaone.com/2025/11/10/the-trump-doctrine-how-washingtons-new-hardline-strategy-targets-gustavo-petro-and-reshapes-u-s-colombia-relations/ The Trump Doctrine: New Hardline Strategy Targets Gustavo Petro and Reshapes US-Colombia Relations]

===Nigeria===
*[https://felixabt.substack.com/p/nigerias-hidden-war-ethnic-religious Nigeria’s Hidden War: Ethnic, Religious, or Resource-Driven?]
*[https://responsiblestatecraft.org/nigeria-trump-christians/ What Trump should know before going 'guns-a-blazing' into Nigeria]
*[https://www.theamericanconservative.com/exploiting-maga-sentiments-to-back-nigerian-intervention/ Exploiting MAGA Sentiments to Back Nigerian Intervention]

== Islamic lobby CAIR Says Muslims Have Right to Vandalize Christian Churches ==

[[CAIR]] Says [[Muslims]] Have Right to Vandalize [[Christian]] Churches.
Should Muslims have the right to vandalize churches?
October 3, 2025 by [[Daniel Greenfield]].
Muslims vandalized the Uncommon Church in Euless TX with obscene anti-Israel graffiti. Leftists and the Islamist group CAIR quickly came to their defense, complaining that vandalizing churches is really protected by the First Amendment.
After Raunaq Alam, Afsheen Khan and Julia Venzor vandalized the church, the Dallas Observer claimed that prosecuting them “erodes the First Amendment rights of protesters and critics of the nation of Israel.”
The First Amendment protects the rights of people to express their opinion, not to vandalize a church.
The Uncommon Church had put up a flag in solidarity with Israel after Oct 7 as part of its Christian beliefs. Targeting the church over its beliefs is correctly, an anti-religious hate crime.
[https://www.frontpagemag.com/cair-says-muslims-have-right-to-vandalize-christian-churches/][[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]]) 20:29, October 5, 2025 (EDT)
:Thanks D.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 16:39, October 6, 2025 (EDT)

::Dianne3000 said: '''"Targeting the church over its beliefs is correctly, an anti-religious hate crime."'''

::According to [[User:Conservative]], "[[conservative]]s" don't believe in "[[hate crimes]]", and they can pick and choose which [[law]]s to respect. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 20:25, October 6, 2025 (EDT)

::5 days ago on the Aschlafly talk page he posted a restatement of a long running dispute: '''"True conservatives don't believe in the very liberal concept of hate crimes!''' [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:59, October 1, 2025 (EDT) [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=2163540&oldid=2163539]

:[Grok: '''Do anti-Semites view hate crime legislation as a Jewish conspiracy?] "Yes,''' a subset of anti-Semites explicitly promotes the conspiracy theory that hate crime legislation—along with related hate speech laws—is a Jewish-orchestrated plot designed to suppress criticism of Jews, Israel, or Zionism, often framing it as a tool for censorship or control. This narrative frequently ties into broader antisemitic tropes, such as the "international Jewish conspiracy" to dominate institutions like law, media, and government. Proponents often claim these laws were invented or pushed by Jewish organizations like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) to criminalize "truth-telling" about alleged Jewish influence, equating anti-Zionism or general dissent with hate crimes.

:This view appears prominently in '''far-right online spaces''', where users allege that Jews fabricate antisemitic incidents (e.g., hoax hate crimes) to justify expanding such laws, which they say disproportionately target non-Jews or "whites" while shielding Jewish power. For instance, critics have called hate crime categories a "Jewish hoax" to "stifle free speech," or accused Jewish lobbies of using them to equate biblical or cultural critiques (e.g., of Christianity) with antisemitism. Historically, this echoes Nazi-era propaganda portraying Jews as manipulators of legal systems to undermine "Aryan" societies.

:Not all opponents of hate crime laws hold antisemitic views—debates often center on free speech concerns without ethnic targeting—but the conspiracy framing is a recurring antisemitic motif, amplified amid recent global tensions like the Israel-Hamas conflict. Organizations tracking antisemitism, such as the ADL and OSCE, classify these claims as modern iterations of classic blood libels or power myths."

[[File:Triumphant-bullfighter.jpg|thumbnail|center|500px|'''''Olé! Olé! Olé!
 
 
I hereby declare total victory over [[Bigotry]] from 2025 onward!
 
 
]]

::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:56, October 6, 2025 (EDT)
:::I found that, often, editing needs to be done , after Grok answers.[[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]]) 21:06, October 8, 2025 (EDT)
::::Well, yah. The man has been spewing [[Nazi]], [[fascist]], and [[antisemitic]] [[crap]] since [[Conservapedia]] was founded. [[Grok]] will prove all of it. And I got desysoped for pointing it out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 22:08, October 12, 2025 (EDT)
::: "Far-right online spaces". Grok is paranoid and parrots the style of those in denial that only fellow conservatives can tolerate conservatives' speech-styles (online-spaces = exclusion zones). [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 11:57, October 13, 2025 (EDT)
::: BTW, why would bigotry be like a bull? A bull and a bullfighter are known, if for nothing else, for ''direct'' attacks and the thwarting of such. You're letting indirect and veiled attacks proceed unrestrainedly. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 13:03, October 13, 2025 (EDT)
::::It's not my idea. I'm parroting [[Conservapedia]]'s most [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:AugustO&curid=131760&diff=2165853&oldid=2160371 tenacious] [[Nazi]] [[fascist]] and [[antisemitic]] [[troll]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:16, October 13, 2025 (EDT)

::::Not only do we have a rather extensive record of [[hate speech]], we have both extensive records of (1) refusing to apologize to the community for darkening its name and reputation, and (2) efforts to justify or shift blame. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:27, October 26, 2025 (EDT)

===Advanced Propaganda 103 for the [[Low IQ]] MAGA crowd===
[https://youtu.be/iS9vUM2wFEI Zelensky Arrival in Washington for a State Visit].

List of dignitaries greeting Zelensky at the airport:

#[[Monica Crowley]], Chief of [[White House]] Protocol;
#[[Andrei Yermak]], Zelensky [[chief-of-staff]];
#Ukraine Ambassador to the US;
#Zelensky's pilot;
#Zelensky's co-pilot.

<big><big>'''Question:'''</big></big> Can we keep pretending [[Zelensky]] is a president longer than we pretend [[Ukraine]] is a [[democracy]], or even a [[sovereign]] country?

[[File:Zelensky kisses Pelosi.PNG|center|600px|thumb|Why wasn't Nancy out at the airport to greet Sir Winston Zelensky?]]

The entire [[Russian]] population knows that Zelensky is an unelected [[dictator]] who's term of office expired in May 2024. There is no way in hadas that [[Putin]] can meet with him as an "equal", or sign a "[[peace]]" agreement with him. Yet [[Western]] media keeps feeding the unmitigated [[bullcrap]] of a "Putin-Zelensky" meeting. And the Low IQ MAGA crowd as well swallows this obvious [[propaganda]] as substance. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:24, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

== Bombshell NYC mayoral poll shows trouble for Mamdani in one-on-one race with Cuomo ==
[https://nypost.com/2025/10/20/us-news/bombshell-nyc-mayoral-poll-shows-trouble-for-zohran-mamdani-in-one-on-race-with-andrew-cuomo/ Bombshell NYC mayoral poll shows trouble for Mamdani in one-on-one race with Cuomo] NYP.
A new Gotham Polling/AARP New York poll shows it may be up to New York’s more mature voters to make the final call.
_

Hope??[[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]]) 10:24, October 20, 2025 (EDT)

:New Yorkers should coronize Oscar the Grounch and place themselves in garbage cans for popularizing the invasion of same-sex couples in marriage and letting it spread to the rest of the country.

:"If someone wants this country to fail, round 'em up and put 'em in jail!" [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 01:14, October 22, 2025 (EDT)

::It's a bit late for that. Older societies and cultures with thousands of years of history like [[China]], [[India]], or the [[Jews]] know ups and downs, as even those with a thousand years of written history like [[England]], [[France]], [[Germany]] and [[Russia]] have also. That's one reason they allowed the [[United States]] to assume the position of global leadership after [[WWII]] - with only 175 years of history we had a clean slate. They knew it wouldn't last forever.

::Now that China has emerged from its [[Century of Humiliation]], it looks as if the US is heading into its own century of humiliation from the same cause - drug addiction. There's other factors as well ([[transgenderism]], [[gay marriage]], [[deficit spending]], abuse of the [[reserve currency]], etc.) It's just part of a societal learning curve. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:52, October 22, 2025 (EDT)
::[https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/who-lost-china-and-are-they-ultimately Who Lost China? And Are They Ultimately Losing America, Too?]
::In my town, we have [https://youtu.be/_Twre6ItGEI 5 pot shops] within half a block of every major intersection. While societies with a 1000 years of history still have the [[death penalty]] for drug dealers. The rest of the [[planet]] ain't gonna put up with it anymore. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 02:24, October 22, 2025 (EDT)
[[Image:2025Q1 National Debt.jpeg|418px|float|right]]
:England has more than a thousand years of history, though they seem to have been left out of the sixth century.

:"Consequently we are able, chiefly by means of Bede's collections, to construct a fairly connected history of most of the English kingdoms during the greater part of the seventh century.

:"When we turn to the sixth century however the case is very different. No contemporary records of that period have been preserved and it is more than probable that none such were ever kept. No doubt the remembrance of important events was long retained by oral tradition. But neither the missionaries nor their immediate successors for the most part seem to have cared to record these traditions. Except in the case of Wessex and Northumbria our knowledge of the sixth century is almost a blank. We do not even know how many kingdoms existed at this time." - Chadwick, H. Munro (1907). ''The Origin of the English Nation'' (Cambridge: Cambridge UP), p. 1.

:I'm not about to be dragged down to hell with New York City and their enablers, if they're not willing to do something about what they did. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 02:35, October 22, 2025 (EDT)

::I don't blame you. This is what [[American]] [[leadership]] has "[[evolve]]d" into. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 02:45, October 22, 2025 (EDT)

:Pot shops are owned by groups foreign to our culture. In our neighborhood no one ever visits them, so they must operate at a loss. My hypothesis is that they are there to cover for their fellow enemies of America using pot-smoking to come up with paranoigenic fantasies with which to try to weaken America into not repelling its invaders. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 02:55, October 22, 2025 (EDT)

:Here's the progress on the National Debt.
:[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 05:11, October 22, 2025 (EDT)

::Those charts are often used as a criticism of [[Reaganomics]] & [[Thatcherism]]. In a [[Keynesian]] sense, the critics are right. The beginning of [[globalization]] is often traced to this time. And the modern [[bailout]] culture of the Mexican Peso in 1993, which Trump is repeating with an [[Argentine]] bailout, stems from the Clinton era.

::But don't worry. [[User:Conservative]] claims [[Keynesianism]], [[inflation]] and [[bailout]]s are now "[[conservative]]" and "[[Patriotic]]" in his [[America will remain the preeminent global power for the foreseeable future]] essay (which has been cut up and divided into at least four dozen other Essays which Andy has allowed as [[information pollution]] into dozens of [[:Categories]]). What neither realize is, the "[[conservative values]]" of [[Keynesianism]], [[inflation]], and government [[bailout]]s, rather than reform, is only hastening the end of America's preeminence. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:31, October 23, 2025 (EDT)
::[[David Stockman]], [[Reagan]] [[OMB|Budeget Director]], has an ongoing paid 3 part series on this very subject. [https://davidstockman.substack.com/p/the-triumph-of-politics40-years-later] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:14, October 28, 2025 (EDT)
:::On the subject beginning this 'thread', I think many NewYorkers will blame Skiwa if he doesn't quit .[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 01:23, October 24, 2025 (EDT)
::::He could be pulling a [[Buttigieg]]/[[Klobuchar]] - drop out on the Sunday before the Tuesday election. The risk here is, some of his supporters might sit home. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:30, October 24, 2025 (EDT)
:::::Risk might be small vs the alternative. There is hard-core that might stay home, then there is a large block [Iralian/conservative-Jewish] that is anti Mamdani...if they know there is a chance, they will turn out.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 01:40, October 24, 2025 (EDT)
::::::[[Hochul]] backs him. The [[Democrat machine]] has their marching orders. That may make it impossible to overcome. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:19, October 24, 2025 (EDT)

==[[Charlie Kirk]] and [[Tall poppy syndrome]]==
User:Conservative sometimes invokes [[Tall poppy syndrome]] as a descriptor in the articles he writes. But there's a counterpart to that, which I don't think has a name.

===Opposite of Tall Poppy Syndrome===

To discourage dissension in the ranks, a dictator might massacre unimportant people, but choosing from among them those who are confident but showing the first stirrings of defiance. This will terrorize/paranoigenize those who have ideated or heard complex plans to overthrow the dictator the most (this is unlike a virtuous leader, where those with complex plans can't find co-conspirators by the fact that most people enjoy the benefits of their virtuous rule and will naturally oppose those seeking to overthrow that leader). People will think, "That person was killed for what little opposition he had. Imagine what he might do to me."

===A second opposite===

There can be more than one opposite to something if they serve as counterparts to that thing in different ways. User:Conservative, may not know this, but Tall Poppy Syndrome comes from the Regal Period of Roman history. The party who was responsible for carrying out the targeting of Tall Poppies was defeated by a counter-strategy. It carries a well-known name. Can you figure out what it was? If you picture Popeye the Sailor as King of Rome, you might be able to.

===A new Charles Manson?===

Charles Manson tried to start a race war in 1969 on similar terms. He targeted a Hollywood director and his wife in their house, while a lot of Hollywood directors were known for being more liberal than conservative. So he sent a heartless "message" that even a figure as leftist as [[Roman Polanski]] settling down with a wife was open season as a target for destruction. Likewise, by my hypothesis, Charlie Kirk's killer tried to start a Republican Civil War by pretending to be a member of a rival conservative group to Turning Point USA. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 00:45, October 22, 2025 (EDT)

:Interesting observations, and I can agree with much.

:There are people like [[Hitler]], [[Charles Manson|Manson]], and [[User:Conservative]] who start out wanting to be creative (Hitler as an artist & architect, Manson as a musician & poet, User:Conservative as a writer & thinker). But faced with rejection & failure turn their creative impulses into destructive impulses - to destroy what they deem stands in their way and take [[vengeance]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:57, October 22, 2025 (EDT)

::Retaliation isn't always the same as vengeance. In a democracy, each citizen is an officer of the state and has the job of identifying traitors who are a clear and present danger to the republic and see that they're brought to retributive justice. A citizen isn't allowed to "forgive" a traitor doing harm to the state. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 01:36, October 22, 2025 (EDT)

:::That's a theoretical concept that's hard to apply in a society in breakdown - or a tool for use in a [[totalitarian]] system (which has already entered the breakdown phase). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:57, October 22, 2025 (EDT)

::"As power over the incubus is obtained by addressing it with its real name, so the world of ''It'', which a moment ago was stretched in its uncanniness before the puny strength of men, is bound to yield to the man who knows it for what it really is—severance and alienation of that out of whose abundance, when it streams close at hand, every earthly ''Thou'' is met, and of that which, though seeming at times great and fearful like the mother-god, yet always had a motherly air." -Buber, Martin (1923). [[User:VargasMilan/I_and_Thou/Part 2|''I and Thou'']]. Translated by Ronald Gregor Smith (New York: Scribner's, 1958).

::If even pagans can command spirits with a real name, surely Christians can find a synonym close to "traitor" with which they can command enemies to their state. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Wednesday, 03:26, October 22, 2025 (EDT)

:::Rereading this thread, I see more clearly what you are saying. Sorry, I didn't mean to derail your point. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:22, October 28, 2025 (EDT)

== Mamdani Associates Threaten New York Post for Reporting on His Jihadist Imam. ==

[https://www.frontpagemag.com/cair-threatens-new-york-post-distrbituon-for-reporting-on-mamdanis-j/ FPM]: Mamdani Associates Threaten New York Post for Reporting on His Jihadist Imam.
Front Page Magazine October 22, 2025 | Daniel Greenfield.
There is no free press under Islam. And there won't be a free press if Islam rules over New York.
After the scandal of Zohran Mamdani meeting with Imam Siraj Wahhaj broke, the New York Post did what the rest of the local media refused to do, reporting on the fact that the candidate for mayor had…posed with an unindicted co-conspirator in the Blind Sheikh plot to bomb NYC landmarks
spoke at a mosque that had been under NYPD surveillance for its terror ties
embraced an imam who had called for Jihad and the takeover of America
As part of its reporting, the New York Post even picked up the viral video that Freedom Center Investigates posted in which Wahhaj spewed hate at America.
Mamdani had no defense against any of this except to cry ‘Islamophobia’. And his Islamist allies at CAIR went one better by threatening to stop distribution of the New York Post to suppress its reporting on Mamdani...
'''They try to prove that their mosque is peaceful.'''.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 01:19, October 24, 2025 (EDT)
:I'm happy NYP didn't cave [[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]]) 21:07, November 10, 2025 (EST)

==So what does the [[economic sanctions]] on Russian tricycles & [[flush toilet|toilets]] mean?==
[[File:EU toilet flag.PNG|right|300px|thumb|The 19th [[Russia sanctions]] package in October 2025 banned the [[import]] of Russian-manufactured [[flush toilet]]s. [[President Vladimir Putin]] responded, "The fact that they have canceled the purchase of our toilets, that will cost them dearly. In general, it seems to me they would actually need them in today's situation if they continue to pursue the same [[policy]] toward the [[Russian Federation]]." [https://youtu.be/62LPZqn-4Yw] ]]
It means the Russian toilet & tricycle factories, and workers, will be converted over to arms production.

What does the US [[tariff]]s on [[Russian oil]] mean?

Russia exports 7.5 million barrels per day; the [[US]] imports 7.5 million barrels per day. It means higher pump prices in the US. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:57, October 24, 2025 (EDT)

:So the [[Venezuela]] crisis is coming into focus. While [[narcotic]]s is the supposed ''[[casus belli]]'', it's really about [[oil]], [[gas]], and [[rare earth]]s (see also [[psyop]]s & [[propaganda]]). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:09, October 24, 2025 (EDT)

:Note to [[User:Conservative]]: Thanks for your [[collaboration]] on the wording for the headline: "hammers with sanctions". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:11, October 24, 2025 (EDT)

:Sanctions on Russian oil mean higher prices, means more [[revenue]] for Putin's war machine. Looks like Trump is working for Putin. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 19:19, October 24, 2025 (EDT)

== Brennan 'finale'? ==

Exclusive: House Judiciary Committee Refers John Brennan To DOJ For Criminal Prosecution.
‘Brennan’s assertion that the CIA was not ‘involved at all’ with the Steele dossier cannot be reconciled with the facts.’
The House Judiciary Committee referred former CIA Director John Brennan to the Justice Department for criminal prosecution on Tuesday over allegations that he “knowingly made false statements” to Congress about his role in the Russia collusion hoax.
https://thefederalist.com/2025/10/21/exclusive-house-judiciary-committee-refers-brennan-to-doj-for-criminal-investigation/
'''This guy has been a real pain in the a$$ already since Obama 1.0''' [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 01:51, October 24, 2025 (EDT)

:There has to be justice. [[Nixon]] was accused of "misusing the FBI & CIA". When Nixon asked the FBI & CIA to do favors, they told him "No". He resigned in disgrace. [[Comey]] and [[John Brennan|Brennan]] and their departments went at it whole hog when asked by Obama & Hillary to do favors. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 03:22, October 24, 2025 (EDT)
::Trump is wise to go after [all of] them, not at once... He had a "pause" between Comey and Tish. For instance.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:::We're coming up against the [[statute of limitation]]s. In a way, it's like the [[Hiss]] case - everyone knows they're guilty but 10 years have passed. So you have to get em on something else. Like mortgage fraud or lying to Congress. Even if they win in the end, you [[bankrupt]] them first in legal fees, like they did to [[Mike Flynn]]). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:31, October 26, 2025 (EDT)
::::At least there is a historic OFFICIAL 'stain' on their record..[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 20:14, October 26, 2025 (EDT)

:::[https://thefederalist.com/2025/10/29/100-times-worse-than-watergate-3-biggest-revelations-from-latest-arctic-frost-document-dump/ ‘100 Times Worse Than Watergate’: 3 Biggest Revelations From Latest ‘Arctic Frost’ Document Dump]
:::and [[Arctic Frost]] was a [[cover up]] of [[Russiagate]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:05, October 31, 2025 (EDT)
:::See also: [[Robert Barnes]]: - [https://youtu.be/9km96cZtKBY The Corruption of the FBI], [[Hillsdale College]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 19:09, October 31, 2025 (EDT)

==No President should talk like this==
[https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3139553049536970] As a candidate, in office, or after leaving office. Past, present, or future. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:12, October 24, 2025 (EDT)

===A clearer understanding is emerging===

*''[[Bloomberg News]]'': Rubio is behind the cancellation of the Putin-Trump summit in Budapest.

:''‘The sudden change of course was the result of an assessment by Secretary of State Marco Rubio — a long-time hawk on Russia, who once called Putin a gangster.’ Sources who wished to remain anonymous and discussed internal negotiations reported that Rubio canceled a planned personal meeting with Russian Foreign Minister [[Sergey Lavrov]] after they spoke on the phone and it became clear that the Kremlin was once again trying to drag out ceasefire negotiations and the war.

:''Rubio’s influence on the administration’s change of position indicates an even '''broader influence of the leading American diplomat, who, as Trump’s acting national security advisor, also advocated a more aggressive approach to Venezuela.''' His position contrasted with the more conciliatory strategy toward Russia advocated by Trump’s longtime friend and special envoy [[Steve Witkoff]].’''

Rubio is a hawk who represents the [[United States Senate]]. [https://youtu.be/aCnRKqguAYk?t=1157]

*'''Update:''' ''[[The Conservative Treehouse]]'': [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/10/24/emissaries-for-president-trump-and-president-putin-will-meet-in-miami/ Trump emissary Steve Witkoff and President Putin emissary Kirill Dmitriev are meeting this weekend in Miami to continue conversations.]
:''[[Dmitriev]], as the [[CEO]] of the Russian Direct Investment Fund, has particular interests in establishing further U.S.-Russia business relations....Both Trump and Putin have noted publicly their conversations about building an economic relationship''

*[[Putin]] February 24, 2025 http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/76331 :
:'''Q.''' We have just watched your meeting on [[rare-earth metal]]s....
:[...]
:'''Putin:''' We would be open to cooperation with our [[American]] partners – and when I say “partners” I mean not only administrative and [[government]] agencies but also private companies – as long as they show interest in working together. It is important to emphasise that '''Russia possesses significantly – I want to stress this – significantly larger resources of this kind than [[Ukraine]]'''....we could think about working together with US companies in this area. For example, back in Soviet times, there were plans to build a new [[hydroelectric]] power plant and to create additional aluminium production facilities in the [[Krasnoyarsk]] Territory. After all, aluminium is, first of all, about [[energy]], preferably cheap energy. Hydropower is cheap and environmentally friendly. To reiterate, such plans have been in place since the Soviet times. However, these are [[capital]]- and investment-intensive projects. In today's money, according to preliminary estimates, they will cost around 15 billion. We can think about it...."''

So while Trump is on the same page with Rubio & the Senate on regional or hemispheric security vis-a-vis [[Latin American]], Trump still is going around Rubio & Senate [[neocon]]s with his own emissary, Witkoff, to deal with Russia, Putin, Ukraine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:12, October 25, 2025 (EDT)

::If these reports are true, Rubio just made a fatal mistake. Bolton pulled a similar stunt with North Korea, and going by Trump's own words that was the beginning of the end for him. Of course Bolton was far more reckless than Rubio, as he tanked the North Korea talks by warmongering in public instead of behind closed doors. Rubio likely is well aware of that, hence why he was more careful when he did it. But Trump isn't stupid. He knows Rubio is trying to get away with what Bolton didn't, and now he no longer trusts him. Assuming we are on the same timeline as Bolton, Rubio will be gone by Spring 2026. And Trump may well nominate Witkoff as his replacement. In that case, thank God.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:39, October 26, 2025 (EDT)
:::It's sort of a [[division of labor]]: Witkoff is given the specific task of dealing with [[Hamas]] & [[Putin]]; [[Keith Kellogg]] is tasked with [[Zelensky]] and the [[EU]] ([[NATO]] which includes the [[UK]]); Rubio is given the rest, which includes [[Asia]], but his specific personal interest is in [[Latin America]], i.e. [[Cuba]] & [[Venezuela]]. [[Ric Grenell]] is an all-around utility man who can be called in at a moment's notice as a troubleshooter. All report back directly to the president, and not through a pecking order with Rubio at the top. Any president is free to operate like this. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 23:06, October 26, 2025 (EDT)
:::Rubio looks tired and worn - he'll probably quit from burnout before any behind-the-scenes machinations. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 23:33, October 26, 2025 (EDT)
::::[https://www.heraldousa.com/latestnews/Petro-and-Lula-Accuse-Marco-Rubio-of-Isolating-the-U.S.-from-the-United-Nations-Rejects-Narco-terrorism-and-Socialism-20251029-0037.html Here we go.] Starting with Brazil and Colombia, the BRICS and BRICS-adjacent countries are now publicly demanding Trump sideline Rubio as a condition for further negotiations. If this trend escalates, Rubio is finished.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 13:11, October 30, 2025 (EDT)
:::::[[BRICS]] is under no illusions about the [[UN]]. But they realize the [[US]] [[hegemon]] built its power ("[[rules based order]]") by circumventing the UN. Here's a good article from a few years ago. You don't have to believe or agree with everything, but it offers a clearer vision of the future than anything you might find elsewhere:
:::::[https://consortiumnews.com/2023/02/28/ukraine-the-tunnel-at-the-end-of-the-light/ The Tunnel at the End of the Light]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:47, October 30, 2025 (EDT)
This would be the only way to split Russia from [[China]] - a rare earths deal. China just banned [[export]] of rare earths that the [[War Dept]] needs. Of course, US investment in Russia has some risk, it can't be cleared until $265 Billion [[sovereign]] reserve assets are returned from the [[EU]] to Russia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 02:13, October 25, 2025 (EDT)
:''[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/10/26/ustr-jamieson-greer-provides-background-on-u-s-china-trade-discussions-trump-meeting-with-xi-pending/ putting distance between Russia and China is not averse to the interests of Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, who would strategically prefer to do business with the ‘West’ over Beijing]''

== JD Vance criticizes Mamdani for calling his aunt a 9/11 'victim' ==

JD Vance criticizes Mamdani for calling his aunt a [[9/11]] 'victim'.
JD Vance slams Mamdani for calling his Muslim aunt a 9/11 'victim,' while Mamdani defends his comments citing post-9/11 discrimination against Muslims in the US, amid intensifying tensions in the NYC mayoral race. Israel National News.
Published: Oct 26, 2025. [https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/416825].
One word: Audacity (who is the "victim").[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:Mamdani is just the latest iteration of the [[Obama]]-[[AOC]] phenomena. When the pendulum swings back because of coffee and food prices (gas as well due to sanctions), you can expect more to come crawling out of the woodwork. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:26, October 26, 2025 (EDT)
::Let's see how long it will take for the pendulum to swing back, yet, again. He uses socialist 'give aways' to normalize political Islam.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 22:03, October 26, 2025 (EDT)

:::[https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/10/three-u-s-air-force-personnel-found-dead/ Senate Votes 52-48 to Nuke Trump’s Tariffs on Brazil] - coffee prices were up 300%. This is a harbinger of the [[SCOTUS]] ruling which will affirm all [[revenue]] bills must originate in [[Congress]].
:::It's not too late for [[Conservapedia]] to back off its boast of "hammering" people with [[tariff]]s before the American public wakes up and realizes it is them - the end [[consumer]] - who pays the [[tariff]] - and the not the country of origin whose goods it is imposed on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 23:12, October 28, 2025 (EDT)

==''Patriot Chronicle'': Dem’s Nazi Tattoo Has Sent His Campaign Into A Death Spiral [Video] [https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/bombshell-update-dems-nazi-tattoo-has-sent-his-campaign-into-a-death-spiral-video/]==
What 's the big deal among [[Democrat]] voters? It's the same [[Nazi]] insignia [[Zelensky]]'s bodyguard wears. Even so-called "Conservative" Admin in [[Conservapedia]] have [[Nazi]] slogans on their user pages. [https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#User:Conservative_just_added_Heil_Hitler_to_his_user_page] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:33, October 29, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:Adolf Eichmann.jpg|left|170px|thumb|[[Eichmann]] with ''Totenkopf'' above his visor.]]
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|[[File:Pratner Totenkopf.PNG|255px|]]
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|colspan="3"|<hr/>(left) Zelensky bodyguard with World War II Nazi ''Totenkopf Verbande'' (''Death's Head Formation'') insignia. [https://thegrayzone.com/2022/09/15/zelensky-bodyguards-hitler-patch/] (right) [[Maine]] Senate [[Democrat]] candidate and [[LGBT]] activist [[Graham Pratner]] with ''Totenkopf'' tattoo. [https://mainebeacon.com/graham-platner-stands-right-in-the-fing-way-of-those-who-come-after-lgbtqia-rights/]
|}
Ever see someone with a tattoo of a tear drop? It signifies the person has killed someone. So what would be the motivation for getting a Death's Head tattoo in Nazi collaboration [[Croatia]], as Pratner claims, against the [[hate]]d, non-[[NATO]] non-[[EU]] [[Serb]]s who still use the same [[Cyrillic]] alphabet the [[Russian]]s use? The language and symbolism of [[Nazi]]s speaks louder than words. This is just what the world needs, more [[ignorant]] [[American]]s, [[Democrat]] and [[Republican]] alike, in positions of leadership. "I was drunk. I was only following orders". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:50, October 29, 2025 (EDT)

:"The truth of Zelensky is like [[Soros]]. He married a [[Christian]] [[girl]]. His [[children]] are [[baptize]]d. People I know in [[Israel]], they say he's no [[Jew]]. All right. He suddenly became Jewish only after the [[election]]. Why? Because he was a [[neo-Nazi]] before." - [https://youtu.be/fBQUs2QQHZU?t=2067 Martin Armstrong]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:47, November 2, 2025 (EST)
[[File:Mass shooter Zelensky.PNG|center|300px|thumb|Zelensky playing the role of a psychotic killer in a [[Hollywood]]-inspired rage against [[democracy]] and mass shooting of the people's elected representatives in [[parliament]]. [https://youtu.be/ehpuSMNNuf0] ]]
[[File:Photo 2025-11-04 23-31-17.jpg|center|300px|thumb|Zelensky posted a photo handing out awards to the National Guard fighters near [[Pokrovsk]] with the emblem of the [[SS Division Das Reich]]. The real denizfication operation will begin after the [[AFU]] collapses. They will be the only ones remaining to defend the regime. Either surrender and face trial or die fighting.]]
[[File:Nicholas.Young.Islamist.Nazi.jpg|300px|center|thumb|[[American]] [[jihad]]ist [[Nicholas Young]] with ''Totenkopf'' (''Death's Head'').]]

===[[Robert Barnes]]: Trump support and enthusiasm slipping among “new” Trump voters===
—heavily young and minority voters. These were voters who responded to Trump’s [[peace]] [[rhetoric]] and are now disillusioned with Trump’s [[policy]] switcheroos on this and other matters. [https://youtu.be/V8IqbF_bj4o] Polls show most [[American]]s oppose a new [[war]] in [[Venezuela]], as Trump failed to deliver his promises on ending the [[war in Ukraine]].

Comment: It is not too late to arrest the loss of these [[voter]]s, who gave [[Trump]] the 2024 Presidential victory. [[Conservapaedia]] should put the kibosh on its resident [[racist]], [[Russophobe]], [[neo-Nazi]], [[fascist]] and [[antisemite]] - unless he begins removing his [[information pollution]] from general [[:Categories]] or better still, removes the [[spam]] completely.

Barnes says the turnout of these voters in the [[New Jersey]] & [[Virginia]] gubernatorial elections will tell the story. [[GOP]] losses there will reinvigorate the [[Democrat Party]], as the [[Republican]]s embrace [[Lindsey Graham]] and [[warmongering]] while rejecting [[conservativism]] and [[Tom Massie]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:27, October 31, 2025 (EDT)

Vital question regarding war vs. peace in [[Venezuela]]: What percentage of the [[population]] are without [[flush toilet]]s? And will that comply with [[Thomas Aquinas]]' [[Just War Theory]] as a ''[[casus belli]]''? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:33, October 31, 2025 (EDT)

:Since [[User:Conservative]] put us back on the track of relying on the [[Mainstream media]] as the [[gospel]] [[truth]], this ''[[Politico]]'' article might be worth reading: [https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2025/11/02/where-virginia-will-be-won-or-lost-00632930 Where Virginia will be won or lost]:
:*''"a military veteran and mom named Jenny was feeling “really appalled” by Trump and the government shutdown. She was concerned about whether her husband, an active-duty service member who’d had to attend a pep rally-esque event with Trump, would get paid — and she was voting all Democratic in next week’s election."''
:*''" Two-thirds of Americans say it is at least probably true that the government often deliberately [[lies]] to the people. That distrust cuts across partisan lines: Strong majorities of [[Donald Trump]] voters (64 percent) and [[Kamala Harris]] voters (70 percent) agree. Nearly half of Americans, 49 percent, say that the best times of the country are behind them, according to The POLITICO Poll by Public First. That’s greater than the '''41 percent who said the best times lie ahead''', underscoring a pervasive sense of unease about both individuals’ own futures and the national direction.”"''
:So only '''41% agree with [[User:Conservative]]'s assessment that [[debt slavery]] & [[war]] lie ahead for [[America]]'s glorious foreseeable future.''' (Note: The name of the new monthly [[public opinion]] poll, "Public First", that we'll be subjected to for the foreseeable future should give a clue of its [[Clinton]]esque origin and nature, "Putting People First"). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:44, November 2, 2025 (EST)

== Cuomo dominates Jewish vote in final Quinnipiac poll before election. ==

Cuomo dominates Jewish vote in final Quinnipiac poll before election.
Once split between Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo, Jewish voters have coalesced behind the former governor, while Mamdani struggles to overcome skepticism
New York City mayoral candidates Andrew Cuomo and Zohran Mamdani.
By Jacob Kornbluh. October 29, 2025
[https://forward.com/fast-forward/779710/nyc-mayor-race-poll-cuomo-jewish-vote/] I'm surprised to see this in liberal "forward."[[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 18:09, October 30, 2025 (EDT)
:[[Mamdani]]: [https://youtu.be/uFtpAjgWeVk "Boots Of The NYPD Have Been Laced By The IDF"]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:38, October 31, 2025 (EDT)

== Trump threatens to halt all US aid, conduct 'vicious' military attack in Nigeria over Christian persecution ==

Trump threatens to halt all US aid, conduct 'vicious' military attack in Nigeria over Christian persecution
[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-threatens-halt-all-us-aid-conduct-vicious-military-attack-nigeria-over-christian-persecution]. Finally. Here [[Genocide of Christians in Nigeria]] is more.
[[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 20:50, November 1, 2025 (EDT)
:[https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/ukraine-un-experts-warn-persecution-against-ukrainian-orthodox-church Why doesn't Trump do something about the persecution of Christians in Ukraine rather than arming the persecutors?] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:50, November 1, 2025 (EDT)
::Thanks lamarina for a great page. Long overdue. [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 22:38, November 1, 2025 (EDT)
:::Cheers Telling. Dear RobS, aren't both nations Christian?[[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 23:29, November 1, 2025 (EDT)
::::Nations? Yes. Governments? No. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:23, November 2, 2025 (EDT)

== WATCH GRACE vs the other: Riley Gaines hits back at woke [Islamic Mamdani fan] Jennifer Welch vile rant calling her a 'dumb b***h' ==

[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-15240355/Riley-Gaines-hits-woke-ex-Bravo-TV-star-vile-rant-calling-dumb-b-h-insufferable-t-t.html Riley Gaines hits back at woke ex-Bravo TV star after vile rant calling her a 'dumb b***h'] (This is a summary, but it's on youtube).([[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 23:22, November 1, 2025 (EDT)

:Is it true? [https://www.jns.org/kristol-backs-mamdani-heritage-head-defends-carlson-fuentes/ Bill Kristol backs Mamdani?] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:33, November 2, 2025 (EDT)

:So [[Bill Kristol]], who sponsored a candidate to run against [[Trump]] in 2016, now favors [[Mamdani]] over [[Andrew Cuomo]]. Let this be a lesson where mindless [[partisan]]ship leads you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:29, November 2, 2025 (EST)
::Yes , Mandani has been on a hunt for people known to be liberal Jews who are anti Trump and have criticized Israel (a small group though) last 2 years to hide-his internal bigotry-behind them. A classic schtick.[[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]])
:::Good catch on Kristol, Rob.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 10:40, November 3, 2025 (EST)

== Forget oil and other lobbies. No.1 lobby: ARAB ISLAMIC Qatar: 100 Billion dollars (with a B) ==

Forget oil and other lobbies. No.1 lobby: ARAB ISLAMIC Qatar: 100 Billion dollars (with a B)
Qatar has spent nearly $100B in the U.S. to gain influence, report suggests
May 27, 2025 — The recent piece 'How Qatar Bought America', which looks at how Qatar has spent nearly $100B on lobbying..

https://www.yahoo.com/news/raises-lot-questions-qatar-spent-134656841.html what else have they bought???[[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 23:28, November 1, 2025 (EDT)

:If we close the base in Qatar, which is the biggest American base in the [[Middle East]], how are we gonna bomb [[Iran]], [[Syria]], [[Iraq]], [[Afghanistan]], [[Yemen]], [[Somalia]], [[Sudan]], or even [[Nigeria]]? (From our bases in [[France]], [[England]], or [[Italy]] - if they would let us? But that raises another question: Why should we bomb people in what clearly is the [[European]] sphere of influence? And who's gonna pay for it? And again, bombing [[Nigeria]] just means more [[refugee]]s for [[Europe]], as [[war]] in [[Venezuela]] means more refugees in the [[United States]].) Let's think this thing through. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 03:54, November 2, 2025 (EST)

:Which raises 2 questions or issues: (a) Do we pay them rent, or do they pay us protection [[money]] (which is not well spent given the failure to protect them during the attack from Israel); (b) are the bases just showrooms and service centers for the [[military industrial complex]] (for expensive junk that doesn't work when you need it)? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:25, November 2, 2025 (EST)

::(Oh, I forgot - we don't have bases in [[France]] since 1966 when they kicked us out as thanks for 25,000 American dead for saving them in the [[Normandy Invasion]]). We have to ask permission to fly over from [[Germany]] to bomb their sphere of influence in [[Libya]] or [[Nigeria]].) Of course, we don't need bases anymore (except for refueling) now that we have supercarriers which can be wiped out in a heartbeat by a [[hypersonic]], [[Oreshnik]], [[Burevestnik]], or Russian Posiedan. So we may need the $100 Billion to fund a [[New Cold War]] and [[arms race]] for a few years or decades since we're already paying $1 Trillion in [[interest]] on the [[debt]] every 90 days. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:35, November 2, 2025 (EST)
:::The American base does not need to be connected to Qatar's lobbying. They benefit from it as a defense against Iran influence among others. Including domestic dissent. [[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 11:53, November 2, 2025 (EST)
::::Do we pay rent or do they pay protection money? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:57, November 2, 2025 (EST)
:::::They are even paying anti Israel "israeli" liberal [[Haaretz]] https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-872360 [[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 11:58, November 2, 2025 (EST)
::::::It's the [[free market]] [[capitalist]] system. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:02, November 2, 2025 (EST)
:::::::With a [[Muslim Brotherhood]] agenda...[[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]])\
::::::::Appears to be true. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:12, November 2, 2025 (EST)
:::::::::I just read on T.O.I how Haaretz guy C. Levinson received 200K to promote Qatar's image..[[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 20:32, November 4, 2025 (EST)
::::::::::Yah butt the [[Pentagon]] & [[State Dept.]] have done enough to promote Qatar's image. Do we have any [[balance of trade]] figures on Qatar? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]

==Venezuela regime change==
Just cause [[Trump]] whacks [[Maduro]] doesn't mean US can replace Maduro with its own stooge. The Venezuelan [[deep state]] has its own continuity of [[government]] contingency plans. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:03, November 3, 2025 (EST)
:Venezuela may be receiving "the means to defend itself" "for as long as it takes". But that's a whole other issue. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:25, November 5, 2025 (EST)

==Muslim socialist Mamdani campaigns at gay transsexuals bar 1 am==
I'm only posting a Google screenshot, since I do not want to link their sources on CO.https://i.ibb.co/ymCgPxBP/Mamdani-trans.png
The roughly 1 million Muslim New Yorkers are for him.[[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 20:29, November 4, 2025 (EST)
:1 million Muslim New Yorkers? Is there a breakdown of how many are [[Nation of Islam]] vs. Arab, immigrant, and others? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:21, November 5, 2025 (EST)
I don't live in NY but I know quite a lot about that city. This is from what I know, without googling, their thnicities. No idea how many are radical (Farrakhan or the Arab terror mosque tied to 1993 bombing or other).

1. Queens has a large Pakistani (& Bangladeshi).

2.A section in Brooklyn, in Coney island area, near Jewish area, also a Pakistani (& Bangladeshi) population.

3. A certain area within Bay Ridge, Brooklyn is "little palestine" due to Arab Palestinian immigrants concentration.

4. Downtown Brooklyn has also a sizable Arab community which began earlier than in Bay Ridge.

5. American Black Muslims.

6. Then you have African Muslims [from the Aftican continent].

Almost all of the above (asides from American Black Muslims) are just recent decades in NYC since circa 1970s. [[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 18:33, November 9, 2025 (EST)

:Did you ever see [https://youtu.be/ozdnSWDHnOs ''Man Push Cart'']? The guy is a famous rock star in Pakistan who come to New York to sell coffee & bagels as a street vendor. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:57, November 9, 2025 (EST)

==If Mamdani only wins, without crushing - he lost==
-Roy Sigham billions.
-Freebies for all.
-Knocking on 3 million doors.
-Sliwa swallowing votes.
-Liberal anti Trump wave in NYC.[[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 21:13, November 4, 2025 (EST)

:''[[Just the News]]'': [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/socialist-zohran-mamdani-crushes-cuomo-in-nyc-mayoral-race/ar-AA1PORBL Socialist Zohran Mamdani crushes Cuomo in NYC mayoral race]. [[GOP]] is losing the [[economic]] vote among [[GenZ]]ers (who are the majority now). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:11, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:[[Mark Wauck]]: [https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/nyt-trump-mamdani-voters-are-a-thing NYT: Trump - Mamdani Voters Are A Thing].
::''This would tend to confirm what I quoted [[Robert Barnes]] saying last week, that [[GOP]]ers were losing with “new Trump” voters. Major parts of the [[traditional]] [[Dem]] base turned out for [[Mamdani]]—of course. On the other hand, the “new Trumpers”—[[Hispanic]]s and [[Muslim]]s and various [[Asian]]s—who had defected from the Dems to [[Trump]] over [[domestic]] issues ([[crime]], [[border]]s, [[economy]]) appear to have returned to the Dems. Why? The economy and Trump’s [[denialism]] has to be considered a major factor. But Trump’s strong [[foreign policy]] identification with the Anglo-Zionist targeting—ranging from [[tariff]]s and the accompanying [[rhetoric]], to killing for sport on the high seas, to [[genocide]]—of, let’s see, [[Asian]]s, [[Hispanic]]s, and [[Muslim]]s has to have been a factor, as well. I don’t see Trump - Mamdani voters voting GOP in the midterms at this point....''

::''Can the GOP distance themselves from the [[Big Tech]]/[[Wall Street|Big Money]] [[cabal]] and embrace the Great Unwashed? Can redistricting somehow save [[the House]] for the GOP? These are big questions. If the answers are ‘No,’ Trump probably faces [[impeachment]] and the country will face [[political]], [[social]], and [[economic]] turmoil...."''
:: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 09:42, November 5, 2025 (EST)

::''[[Townhall]]'': [https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2025/11/05/last-night-was-a-bloodbath-for-republicans-they-were-blown-out-everywhere-n2665968 Last Night Was a Bloodbath for Republicans. They Were Blown Out Everywhere.]
::''Lessons probably not learned for [[CP]]: Divisive [[hate]]mongering pays off for the Dems, again.''
::[https://youtu.be/tEX_ZN-BhmM Dem BLOWOUT: Latinos, Young Men ABANDON MAGA]

:::The worst part is [[Virginia]], they elected lunatic [[Jay Jones]] who want children of his opponent to be dead as well police officers during 2020 BLM riots as new Attorney General --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 10:19, November 5, 2025 (EST)

::::As [[Russia]] rejects [[communism]], [[America]] embraces it. [https://vaughncordle.substack.com/p/the-socialist-mirage-new-yorks-fall The Socialist Mirage: New York’s Fall and America’s Warning] ''From [[capitalism]]’s capital to [[socialism]]’s cautionary tale.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:52, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:::''[[Post Millennial]]'': [https://thepostmillennial.com/dem-trans-activist-wins-mayoral-race-in-pa-suggested-armed-violence-against-government-is-cominge Dem trans activist wins mayoral race in PA]. ''[[Daily Caller]]'': [https://dailycaller.com/2025/11/05/mamdani-socialists-seize-local-offices-across-us/ Mamdani's Socialist Group Seizes Local Offices Across US].
:::The "[[The importance of wetting your pants‎|sense of urgency"]] is coming too late. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:57, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:I have a confession to make. There's a big part of me who's glad Mamdani won. Even when you take into account what he says he stands for, he's still the lesser evil compared to Cuomo. Mamdani's a young idealist, and hopefully he will grow out of his radical beliefs. Cuomo on the other hand is a cold-blooded career politician who has a track record of tyranny and death. Surely I'm not the only one who feels that way (too bad Trump didn't). And I wouldn't be surprised if a good number of Republicans who otherwise would've voted for Sliwa voted for Mamdani to stop Cuomo, rather than vice versa.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 13:15, November 5, 2025 (EST)

::The result is psychological nationwide: It gives added impetus to [[Progressive]]s. [[Obama]], [[AOC]], ''et al'' are reinvigorated. It also shows many [[conservative]]s and [[MAGA]] types have been living in [[denial]] and dreamland with all [[fake news]] headlines about the demise of the [[Democrat Party]] for a generation.

::Speciifically about [[NYC]]: The Trump [[DOJ]] will probably try to tie his administration and him personally up in [[lawfare]], [[subverting]] his ambitions as they did [[Trump 1.0]]. IOWs, he could come out a winner if he's prevented from implementing his promises/threats, and disaster is avoided. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:24, November 5, 2025 (EST)

::[[Americans for Limited Government]]: [https://dailytorch.com/2025/11/democrats-overperformed-by-double-digits-in-nj-va-routs-with-congressional-midterms-just-12-months-away/ Democrats Overperformed By Double Digits In NJ, VA Routs With Congressional Midterms Just 12 Months Away]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:13, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:::[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/11/05/billionaire-alex-soros-hails-socialist-zohran-mamdanis-victory-the-american-dream-continues/ Soros is celebrating?] I take it back, then.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 18:18, November 5, 2025 (EST)

::::[https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/robert-barnes-on-the-elections Robert Barnes On The Elections]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 20:56, November 5, 2025 (EST)
::::[https://youtu.be/2MjEkOKoHcg Foreign policy HUBRIS and MAGA division w/ Robert Barnes]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:17, November 13, 2025 (EST)

===More [[AI]] [[claptrap]]===
::As far as his election's effect on the midterms, it isn't over until the fat lady sings!

::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_6715ee4b-a455-4b5a-8b01-646bb2738635 As far as Zohran Mamdani's election win, what is the probability that he is a quick failure in office that will help the GOP in the midterms? Give scenarios and their probabilities.]

::'''Summary:''' "Zohran Mamdani has a 45% chance of quick failure (within 12–18 months) that materially helps the GOP in the 2026 midterms, driven mainly by policy gridlock/fiscal crisis (40%) and crime backlash (30%), with lesser risks from scandal or external shocks." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:44, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:::Who cares: [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/11/04/white-house-crypto-and-ai-czar-david-sacks-warns-about-orwellian-ai/ Trump AI Czar: AI is being built as an information control mechanism.]
:::Take your [[AI]] [[trolling]] and stick it where the sun don't shine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:13, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:::*'''The illusion of [[intelligence]]: how [[AI]] manufactures [[Left]]-skewed consensus,''' not [[truth]]. [https://vaughncordle.substack.com/p/the-illusion-of-intelligence-how]
:::*About [[AI]] and understanding '[[Capitalism]]'. [https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/about-ai-and-understanding-capitalism]
:::*Exposing how '[[free speech]]' platforms throttle [[truth]] when it threatens their programmed illusions. [https://vaughncordle.substack.com/p/why-my-expose-on-ai-censorship-was]
:::*''[[The Conservative Treehouse]]'': "voices who put accurate context to our national challenge are targets; they are being siloed, and AI was/is designed to assist in this purpose." [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/11/07/a-smiling-reminder/]
:::*'''It Begins: [[AI]] brain rot is destroying your [[brain]]''' (and it's getting worse). [https://youtu.be/TpiuZdilY78]
:::*[[Garbage in, garbage out]]: [[Elon Musk]]'s [[Grokipedia]] extensively copied from [[Wikipedia]]. [https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/elon-musk-grokipedia-copied-wikipedia]
:::*How bad ideas are destroying [[the West]]. [https://youtu.be/cWSeZ6zqT3E]
:::*'''Failures of [[Ukraine army]]''' blamed on [[artificial intelligence]]. [https://readovka.news/news/233237/] [[Grok]] [[censor]]s [[geopolitical]] content. [https://t.me/two_majors/61174]
:::Address these issues before you [[spam]] more [[AI claptrap]] throughout [[Conservapedia]]. Thank you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:53, November 5, 2025 (EST)
::::[https://chatgpt.com/share/690bbb6f-38a8-800d-86e0-ab477576b987 Did people say that television was being made to be a control mechanism when it first came out?]? "Yes — from the very beginning, some people were suspicious or critical of television and did indeed describe it as a potential control mechanism for shaping public opinion and behavior."

::::As Solomon said,"There is nothing new under the sun." The Luddites will always whine. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:04, November 5, 2025 (EST)

:::::Yep. [[AI]] & [[liberal]] [[lies]] are nothing new.

:::::Despite the warnings from [[conservative]] sources, you've been [[spamming]] [[AI]] like it's an [[opioid]] for two months. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:10, November 5, 2025 (EST)
::::::Is Grokipedia politically right of Wikipedia? Yes. And it will take market share from Wikipedia.

:::::::And there is probably a 50% chance that the right will come out with a popular version of AI by 2030. It took a while, but a conservative came out with my favorite internet browser - the Brave browser. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:32, November 5, 2025 (EST)

::::::::Why don't you start the [[Blue Wave]] article, since you have been [[spamming]] [[Hillary Clinton]]/[[John Brennan]] talking points for 3 1/2 years. Show some [[narcissistic]] [[pride]] in your [[achievement]]s. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:37, November 5, 2025 (EST)

===More neo-Nazi fascist & antisemitic claptrap===
The Conservative Treehouse website, which you cited above and often use on main page right, calls itself a "rag tag bunch of conservative misfits" and its primarily run by an anonymous guy called "Sundance". And its filled with conspiracy nut nonsense. In short, it's not much better than "Simplicius the Thinker" who Andy yanked off of main page right (Anyone who calls himself a "thinker" probably isn't! His drones over Europe are false flags speculation had zero evidential support).

On main page right, why don't we have more Justthenews.com which is run by John Solomon, an award-winning investigative journalist. Mr. Solomon is right-wing without the conspiracy nut flakiness. He's a real solid guy with great reporter skills. Conspiracies happen, but let's have empirical support for them rather than lunatic rantings lacking evidential support.

Sadly, main page right has turned into a trainwreck. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:21, November 7, 2025 (EST)
[[File:True conservatives don't believe in the very liberal concept of hate crimes! Conservative (talk) 18 59, October 1 2025.PNG|center|850px|thumb|[[User:Conservative]] turned [[Conservapedia]] into a [[neo-Nazi]] [[fascist]] and [[antisemitic]] mouthpiece.]]

==[[Just the News]] parent company acquires [[The Post Millennial]], [[Human Events]]==
[https://justthenews.com/accountability/media/jtn-network-acquires-post-millennial-human-events] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:43, November 10, 2025 (EST)
:Congrats. Mr. Ngo, I guess.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 20:26, November 10, 2025 (EST)
::[[Jack Poso]], too. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:50, November 10, 2025 (EST)

== Jay Jones ==

All headlines in main page is talking about Mamdani, but none is talking about new attorney general of Virginia [[Jay Jones]] who was much worst --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 14:35, November 6, 2025 (EST)

:It's true, but the international situation - which affects us all - remains a far bigger priority right now than a [[domestic]] situation in a [[Blue State]] where few [[American]]s have any input or concern. If not for the [[idiot]]ic [[trolling]] from alleged "right wingers" in recent years, it could been a bigger priority.

:IOWs, its sort of 'your tax dollars given to [[Nazi]]s to kill people versus an [[idiot]] [[Dem]] who threatened 2 children and [[idiot]] [[Repub]]s who support giving tax dollars to [[Nazi]]s to continue killing people'. We only have so much time and space. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:55, November 6, 2025 (EST)
::It's an indictment on Dems.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 23:30, November 6, 2025 (EST)

==Angelina Jolie==
As usual, we are having a hard time getting the [[truth]] of the matter from any sources in Ukraine - the [[government]], [[media]], or [[social media]]. But here's what has been pieced together over the past 48 hours: While entering [[Kherson]] with a flak jacket on to visit a Kindergarten, Jolie's driver/bodyguard was forcibly mobilized by the [[TCC|Territorial Recruitment Office]] (allegedly cause the [[TCC]] officers needed to fill their quota) and taken to [[Nikolaev]]. Jolie then turned around and drove or was driven 40 miles north to Nikolaev to use the bathroom at the TCC office. After several hours, she emerged without the driver/bodyguard.

It is unclear yet, while she's still in Ukraine making her pro-[[Nazi]] [[propaganda]] video under the watchful eye of the [[SBU]], whether she saw any physically abused persons in a holding cell at the TCC office waiting to be shipped off to the front. We'll have to wait til she returns to the United States and/or her pro-[[Nazi]], [[anti-Russian]] [[propaganda]] video appears. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:26, November 6, 2025 (EST)

== Newcomers + youth/transient turnout flipped the city to Islamo-Socialist Mamdani not a mandate from 'original' New Yorkers ==

Thus is what one sums up from ABC piece:
Mamdani clinches the votes of young people, newcomers to NYC. Experts explain why
Zohran Mamdani is set to become the city's first Muslim mayor.
ByMegan Forrester.
November 6, 2025, 3:04 PM
[...]
Mamdani, the 34-year-old democratic socialist, captured 78% of voters under 30 and 66% of those voters 30 to 44 in Tuesday's election, according to ABC News exit polls, conducted by SSRS. Among voters 45 to 64, former Gov. Andrew Cuomo edged out Mamdani, 53% to 47%. A majority of voters 65 and older (55%) voted for Cuomo while 36% voted for Mamdani. Additionally, newcomers to the city were some of the most likely voters in the state to vote for Mamdani, with 81% of those who have lived in New York City less than 10 years supporting him, the exit polls found.

Along with his electoral success among younger and newer New Yorkers, Mamdani also earned support from 55% of voters who lived in the city for over 10 years, but were not born in the city. More of those who were born in New York City voted for Cuomo (49%) than Mamdani (38%), according to the exit polls.

More first-time New York City mayoral voters also voted for Mamdani than those who have previously voted for mayor in the city, 66% versus 47%, the exit polls found.
[https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mamdani-clinches-votes-young-people-newcomers-nyc-experts/story?id=127216885][[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 23:30, November 6, 2025 (EST)

:[https://youtu.be/KvnUIfvYV_E How the Ideology that Destroyed South Africa took over New York]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 23:58, November 6, 2025 (EST)
::In other words, Biden's immigration policy was a major contributor. [[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 00:22, November 7, 2025 (EST)
:::Mamdani looks like Obama 2.0. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:09, November 7, 2025 (EST)
::::Also using (TikTok) clips to make him look cool, just like Obama used tech. I guess Roy Singham's millions paid off.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 01:03, November 9, 2025 (EST)

==[[Stockman]]: Affordability Socialism—The GOP’s Reward For Abandoning The Old Time Religion==
% Change Since January 2021:

Average weekly earnings: +19.3%.

Groceries: +24.5%.

Services: +24.8%.

Shelter: +27.1%.

Energy: +30.9%. [https://davidstockman.substack.com/p/affordability-socialismthe-gops-reward-af0] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:21, November 7, 2025 (EST)

''[[The Federalist]]'': [https://thefederalist.com/2025/11/07/if-republicans-dont-focus-on-the-economy-theyll-lose-in-the-midterms-too/ If Republicans Don’t Focus On The Economy, They’ll Lose In The Midterms Too].

[https://thefederalist.com/2025/11/13/trump-should-learn-from-j-d-vance-when-it-comes-to-talking-about-prices-and-affordability/ Trump Should Learn From J.D. Vance When It Comes To Talking About Prices And Affordability].

==J6 Pipe bomber==
Waiting to hear from [[Bongino]] on the matter. Of course, the alleged perp was promoted to a job at the [[CIA]] shortly afterward. Anyone who studied surveillance footage would not have ruled out the perp being female.

You will recall, the [[Capitol Police]] abandoned their posts and moved back two minutes after getting the alert about "pipe bombs being found", allowing the crowd that [[Ray Epps]] incited to overrun fencelines.

Obviously [[Blaze Media]] got the info from an inside [[FBI]] [[whistleblower]]. Another "coincidence": the information is [[leak]]ed just days after [[Pelosi]] announces her retirement. Pelosi will take a lot of secrets to the grave with her. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:45, November 8, 2025 (EST)

'''Timeline'''
*[[FBI]] – [https://youtu.be/W_Nv5IfwaD0 Updated: Seeking Information on Capitol Hill Pipe Bomb Suspect], Oct 22, 2025 [[YouTube]]
*[[AP]]: [https://apnews.com/article/pelosi-reelection-announcement-fd95c18815fdabdaabaf26b8c2f0bafc Pelosi will not seek reelection], Nov 6, 2025
*[[Blaze Media]]: [https://www.theblaze.com/news/former-capitol-police-officer-a-forensic-match-for-jan-6-pipe-bomber-sources-say Former Capitol Police officer a forensic match for Jan. 6 pipe bomber, sources say], Nov 8, 2025

:The information is posted here for serious students to learn how [[DC]] and the [[media]] works. The suspect has been known to FBI whistleblowers for years - shortly after the events took place (they had a 98% match years ago, so why would they be seeking updated information? The FBI knew how she travelled to DC from Falls Church and back and who even paid her fare and picked her up. The FBI posting serves notice to Pelosi ''et al'' the jig is up). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 22:50, November 8, 2025 (EST)

:Observations: While we now have years and years evidence from several election cycles of [[FBI]] direct inference in American [[election]]s, with [[Pelosi]]'s retirement there is no evidence, and no one should have [[confidence]], that it will change or stop. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 23:18, November 8, 2025 (EST)

==[[Economic sanctions]] are accelerating [[de-dollarization]]==
[https://youtu.be/LOPKmYQd2qA Global Affairs in Context]. If you want to slow America's [[economic]] decline, and maybe even reverse it someday, stop using [[economic sanctions]] & [[blackmail]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 23:33, November 8, 2025 (EST)

In theory, due to [[technological]] [[innovation]]s and the skills that a person acquires over a lifetime, the cost of living and everything associated with it should become cheaper. Everything is supposed to become cheaper over time, not more expensive. [[Inflation]] is how the government robs people, not just of their daily pay, but their earnings over a lifetime. This what [[conservative]]s mean by "government interference in the [[economy]]". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 23:40, November 8, 2025 (EST)

== ISLAM socialist Mamdani and SEX 'workers' ==

NYC could become a tourism hotspot – for sex – if socialist Zohran Mamdani becomes mayor, critics warned.<ref>[https://nypost.com/2025/08/16/us-news/nyc-could-become-a-tourism-hotspot-for-sex-if-socialist-zohran-mamdani-becomes-mayor-critics-warn-shocks-the-conscience/ NYC could become a tourism hotspot – for sex – if socialist Zohran Mamdani becomes mayor, critics warn: ‘Shocks the conscience’]. Rich Calder, ''NY Post'', Aug. 16, 2025</ref> No wonder: "Sex Workers Go Wild for Mamdani." He would ve the first mayor to have embraced the idea that “sex work is work” <ref>[https://nypost.com/video/sex-workers-go-wild-for-mamdani/ Sex Workers Go Wild for Mamdani]. ''New York Post'', Sep 30, 2025.</ref>[[User:LaMarina|LaMarina]] ([[User talk:LaMarina|talk]]) 08:33, November 9, 2025 (EST)
{{reflist}}
:May God help us from the Mamdanis out there.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 20:24, November 10, 2025 (EST)

== BBC boss resigns over editing Trump and anti-Israel Gaza "reporting" propagating ==

Too little.
Too late.

BBC chief Tim Davie resigns after criticism of Trump speech edit, amid Gaza war coverage.
BBC Director-General Tim Davie and news chief Deborah Turness resigned after backlash over a Trump speech edit and claims of 'systemic bias' in the broadcaster’s coverage of Trump, Gaza, and transgender issues
ynet Global|11.09.25. 13:04
BBC Director-General Tim Davie and the head of BBC News resigned after a former adviser accused the broadcaster of “serious and systemic” bias in its coverage of Donald Trump, Gaza, and transgender issues.
[https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bjcjew0yzx YNet][[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

== "The Fall of New York City in 8 Charts" by Daniel Greenfield ==

Summary of:

"The Fall of New York City in 8 Charts" by Daniel Greenfield:

Zohran Mamdani, an Islamist socialist, defeated Andrew Cuomo and other candidates to become mayor of New York City, a city once known as the "most Jewish" and heavily Italian-American. This shift reflects profound demographic and cultural changes:

- **Demographic Replacement**: In 1989, Jews outnumbered Muslims 4:1; by 2013, Muslim numbers doubled while Jews declined. By the election, Muslims surpassed Italian-Americans, and Irish and Polish populations also dwindled below Muslim levels.

- **Mass Immigration & Internal Migration**: Over 5 million residents were born outside NYC (vs. <4 million native-born). Non-English speakers rose from 37% in 1990 to nearly 50%, enabling Arabic-language campaigning. Newcomers (in city ≤10 years) backed Mamdani 82%–16%.

- **Collapse of Traditional Communities**: The old working-class ethnic base fled in the 1970s–80s and never returned after crime dropped under Giuliani. They were replaced by transient college grads, hipsters, and third-world immigrants voting far-left.

- **Death of Family & Religion**: Over 50% of households are single-person; family formation collapsed. Religious affiliation plummeted, especially among whites and youth—Mamdani won only 16% of Jews but dominated the growing "religiously unaffiliated" (60% of under-45s).

- **A Rootless, Interchangeable City**: NYC is no longer distinct but a generic, upscale, gentrified hub like London or Toronto—empty of tradition, ripe for colonization by any organized group with a mission.

Greenfield concludes: 'Old New York is gone; the new one doesn’t belong to America.'
http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2025/11/the-fall-of-new-york-city-in-8-charts.html
[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 19:28, November 9, 2025 (EST)
::"New York City has “fallen and risen” roughly 8 major times in its 400-year history — each time emerging transformed, often stronger."[https://chatgpt.com/share/691296a9-d714-800a-8258-b68265462885]

::"The greatness of America lies not in being more enlightened than any other nation, but rather in her ability to repair her faults.” - [[Alexis de Tocqueville]], Democracy in America. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:55, November 10, 2025 (EST)
:::I'm hopeful for the future but the damage this guy is able to afflict...[[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]]) 21:09, November 10, 2025 (EST)

::::Sundance: "...It’s a little funny, but the five-year-long [[RNC]] -vs- [[Tea Party]]/[[MAGA]] fight is essentially what we are now watching within the other wing of the [[UniParty]], the [[DNC]] wing. The [[grassroots]] [[left]] against the DNC professionals. The “[[progressives]]” or “[[socialist]] [[democrat]]s” are taking [[Democrat]] scalps the same way the [[grassroots]] [[right]] took down [[Republican]]s. The old guard Democrats are quitting...." [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/11/11/the-2025-maga-fracture-and-the-benefactors-behind-it/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 05:18, November 12, 2025 (EST)

==Mr. JIHAD attacks Carlie Kirk people at TPUSA, in Berkeley==

Andy Ngo @MrAndyNgo:
A Muslim far-left extremist who severely beat a TPUSA attendee on the face after robbing him at UC Berkeley has been identified as Jihad Dphrepaulezz.

The 25-year-old listed
@CAPublicHealth as his employer. Dphrepaulezz is a rapper known as "A.R. The Believer." He tried desperately to hide his face from the cameras after his disguise was pulled off. He came to the attack wearing gloves.

Dphrepaulezz attends the Lighthouse Mosque in Oakland, Calif.
Quote:
Andy Ngo @MrAndyNgo ·
UC Berkeley (Nov. 10) — A far-left extremist stole a conservative man's necklace & then punched him repeatedly in the face when he tried to take it back outside the TPUSA event. The victim was bloodied, and the leftists racially mocked him for being white.
Nov 11, 2025
https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1988385830612984099

_

Apt name.[[User:Dianne3000|Dianne3000]] ([[User talk:Dianne3000|talk]]) 20:55, November 11, 2025 (EST)

:Looks like police ruffed up the victim (in red) - they got a dozen cops on the victim and only one on the perp. Serves him right for trying to get his property back. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:06, November 11, 2025 (EST)
::Yea, it's N. CA, after all.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 16:17, November 14, 2025 (EST)

==''[[Daily Caller]]'': [https://dailycaller.com/2025/11/12/rooke-trump-white-house-h1b-visa-program-immigration-china-students-lara-ingraham/ If Someone’s In Trump’s Ear With Latest Idiotic Ideas, They Need To Be Kicked Out Of White House]==
:''"Trump’s recent sit-down interview with [[Laura Ingraham]] seemed like one bad idea after another, and [[MAGA]] voters are increasingly wondering who is telling Trump that these policies are popular and the right move."''
::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:24, November 12, 2025 (EST)

:*''[[The Federalist]]'': [https://thefederalist.com/2025/11/12/importing-foreign-workers-to-take-americans-jobs-is-the-opposite-of-america-first/ Importing Foreign Workers To Take Americans’ Jobs Is The Opposite Of America First].

:*[[Andrew Sullivan]]: [https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/are-the-wheels-finally-falling-off-7f8l Are The Wheels Finally Falling Off MAGA?]
:''"there are some signs that the entire [[MAGA]] operation is beginning to fray — as its manic transgressions, dumb overreach, and intensifying contradictions become harder to ignore.

:''"Take [[immigration]]. It’s a big success if you look at the [[border]]. So why has Trump’s approval on this issue reversed itself almost entirely from 51 percent approval in February to 51 percent disapproval now? Or look at his other signature issue, [[trade]]: 56 percent disapprove, up 16 points since February. On [[inflation]] — critical to his re-election — over 60 percent now disapprove. On the [[economy]], it’s 58 percent. Only 25 percent of Independents approved of Trump’s performance in an AP poll this week.''

::Comment: In the past, anyone who dared raise issues like this was typically accused of being a "[[Liberal]]" (code word for "[[Jewish]]") and shouted down. That type of hiding your head in the sand gave us 8 years of [[Barack Obama]] and 4 years of an equally braindead [[Joe Biden]] out of Conservapedia's 17 year history. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:04, November 14, 2025 (EST)
:::Looks like a lively debated issue within MAGA.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 16:16, November 14, 2025 (EST)
::::In [[Conservapedia]] we have a Senior Admin who's all excited about [[AI]] replacing [[human being]]s and [[critical thinking]] while totally ignoring the cost of it:
:::*[[Liberal]] [[communist]] [[Jew]] [[Caitlin Johnstone]]: [https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/ai-companies-are-encouraging-users AI Companies Are Encouraging Users To Believe Chatbots Are People, And It's Insanely Creepy].
:::*[https://youtu.be/bJJA2YA2V9g Woman marries AI character she created after breaking off three-year engagement with boyfriend]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:38, November 14, 2025 (EST)
:::::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA_329733a5-4fde-42f6-86e2-b5f034ff6ca2 How does Donald Trump view AI]: "Donald Trump's views on artificial intelligence (AI) are predominantly positive and strategic, emphasizing its potential as a driver of U.S. economic growth, national security, and global competitiveness—particularly against China. He has described AI as a "superpower" while acknowledging its "alarming" capabilities and risks, such as deepfakes potentially triggering conflicts like nuclear war. Throughout his political career, Trump has advocated for deregulation to accelerate innovation, criticizing oversight as an obstacle, and has actively used AI-generated content in his communications. His stance has evolved from foundational policies in his first term (2017–2021) to more aggressive deregulation and promotion in his second term (2025 onward)." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:55, November 14, 2025 (EST)

== Transgender Animal Experiment Funding Cut ==

Well on the plus side, DOGE cut the liberal funding for transgender animal experimentation:

* [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-admin-cuts-additional-1m-funding-transgender-animal-experiments Trump admin cuts additional $1M in federal funding for 'transgender animal' experiments]
* [https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-edits-fact-check-saying-trump-falsely-claimed-were-trans-experiments-mice CNN edits fact-check saying Trump 'falsely claimed' there were trans experiments on mice]
* [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-eli-crane-stunned-insane-sum-taxpayer-funds-used-transgender-animal-studies Rep. Eli Crane stunned at 'insane' sum in taxpayer funds used for transgender animal studies]
* [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/10m-taxpayer-funds-spent-creating-transgender-animals-last-year-nancy-mace $10M in taxpayer funds spent creating transgender animals: Rep. Nancy Mace]

--[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 01:03, November 15, 2025 (EST)

Sanctuary city for the unborn

2025-11-15T05:52:38Z

JZambrano: fixing an apparent typo

A '''sanctuary city for the unborn''' is a municipality which has passed a legal ordinance, prohibiting the performing of [[abortion]]s within its municipal limits. The term is taken from "[[sanctuary city]]" (a city that openly states that it will not enforce immigration laws) and differs from an abortion sanctuary city (which is a city that will allow abortions no matter what other jurisdictions do). The term also includes counties which have passed ordinances covering the portions not part of an incorporated municipality.

The cities which have passed such ordinances or have considered doing so are generally very small rural towns (though the largest city, [[Lubbock]], [[Texas]], is over 250,000 population and is home to a large state university) where the city (or the county in which it is located) is overwhelmingly conservative, Republican and pro-life; even if the area was heavily liberal, Democrat and openly supported abortion on demand, abortion clinics likely would not open in those towns due to the lack of potential clients (though Lubbock was home to one). Even so, it has not stopped abortion advocacy groups from threatening to sue if such an ordinance is passed, which has caused some towns to not take any action and at least two towns to withdraw the ordinances passed.

Most of the ordinances have two parts: a public section and a private section.
*The public section generally would allow the municipality to fine anyone who performs an abortion, or "aids and abets" in one. However, the section generally states that the fines cannot be imposed unless 1) it is determined that enforcing the fine would not create an "undue burden" upon one seeking an abortion, 2) whoever commits the abortion lacks standing in the courts to assert third-party rights on behalf of one seeking an abortion, or 3) ''[[Roe v. Wade]]'' and ''[[Planned Parenthood v. Casey]]'' are overturned.
*The private section generally would allow individuals to sue anyone who performs or "aids and abets" in an abortion (except the mother who has the abortion), making that person liable in tort to the mother and/or father of the aborted child for compensatory damages (including damages for emotional distress), punitive damages, and court costs and attorney's fees. In addition, any private individual may file suit against anyone who performs or "aids and abets" in an abortion (again, except the mother who has the abortion), and can be granted injunctive relief, statutory damages, and court costs and attorney's fees. However, unlike the public section, this section usually has immediate effect. (This provision, which is highly controversial, made its way into the [[Texas Heartbeat Act]].)

These cities differ from those which have passed resolutions opposing abortion, as a resolution is only "the opinion" of the city and has no legal effect.

The movement began in [[Texas]], a generally pro-life state, with the passage of such an ordinance in the town of [[Waskom, Texas]] (located on the Louisiana border) on June 11, 2019, but has spread to other states.

==Official Sanctuary Jurisdictions for the Unborn==

''The list is current as of September 25, 2025.''

(*) The jurisdiction subsequently repealed its ordinance; it remains on the list to maintain the official count by Sanctuary Cities for the Unborn.

(~) The jurisdiction has chosen to designate itself as a "Safe Haven for the Unborn".

(C) The jurisdiction's ordinance includes abortion provisions located in the Comstock Act (18 U.S.C. 1461-1462).

(^) The jurisdiction's ordinance passed does not explicitly outlaw abortion (as the state in which it is located has, by law, protected abortion rights), but instead requires an abortion provider to "comply with Federal law" (the Comstock Act), which essentially makes abortion ''de facto'' illegal in that jurisdiction.

(+) The jurisdiction's ordinance prohibits abortion trafficking of residents.

(++) The jurisdiction's ordinance prohibits abortion trafficking of both residents and non-residents.

===Cities===

{| class="wikitable sortable"
|-
!Number
!City and State
!Date Ordinance Passed
!How Ordinance Passed
!Notes
|-
|1
|[[Waskom, Texas]]
|June 11, 2019
|City Council action (5-0)
|Waskom was the first city to pass such an ordinance. After being sued the council amended and strengthened the ordinance on March 11, 2020, after which the suit was dropped; no taxpayer money was required to defend the action.
|-
|2(*)
|[[Omaha, Texas]]
|September 9, 2019
|City Council action (5-0)
|However, on October 14, 2019, upon the advice of the City Attorney, the city council replaced the ordinance with a non-binding resolution, which passed 3-2.
|-
|3
|[[Naples, Texas]]
|September 9, 2019
|City Council action (5-1)
|After being sued the council amended and strengthened the ordinance on April 27, 2020, after which the suit was dropped; no taxpayer money was required to defend the action.
|-
|4
|[[Joaquin, Texas]]
|September 17, 2019
|City Council action (5-0)
|After being sued the council amended and strengthened the ordinance on March 17, 2020, after which the suit was dropped; no taxpayer money was required to defend the action.
|-
|5
|[[Tenaha, Texas]]
|September 23, 2019
|City Council action (unanimous)
|After being sued the council amended and strengthened the ordinance on April 27, 2020, after which the suit was dropped; no taxpayer money was required to defend the action.
|-
|6(~)
|[[Gilmer, Texas]]
|September 24, 2019
|City Council action (4-2, two members not present)
|
|-
|7
|[[Westbrook, Texas]]
|November 18, 2019
|City Council action (3-0)
|Westbrook was the first city outside of East Texas - where the movement began - to pass such an ordinance.
|-
|8
|[[Rusk, Texas]]
|January 9, 2020
|City Council action (3-2)
|After being sued the council amended and strengthened the ordinance on April 15, 2020, after which the suit was dropped; no taxpayer money was required to defend the action.
|-
|9
|[[Colorado City, Texas]]
|January 14, 2020
|City Council action (5-1)
|
|-
|10
|[[Gary, Texas]]
|January 16, 2020
|City Council action (unanimous)
|After being sued the council amended and strengthened the ordinance on March 19, 2020, after which the suit was dropped; no taxpayer money was required to defend the action.
|-
|11(~)
|[[Big Spring, Texas]]
|January 14, 2020
|City Council action (3-2 with one abstention on first reading; 4-2 on second reading and final passage)
|
|-
|12
|[[Wells, Texas]]
|January 14, 2020
|City Council action (unanimous)
|After being sued the council amended and strengthened the ordinance on March 9, 2020, after which the suit was dropped; no taxpayer money was required to defend the action.
|-
|13
|[[Whiteface, Texas]]
|March 12, 2020
|City Council action (3-2)
|Between February-May 2020 (when seven cities were being sued for passing these types of ordinances), Whiteface was the only city to pass such an ordinance.
|-
|14
|[[East Mountain, Texas]]
|July 20, 2020
|City Council action (3-0 with two abstentions)
|
|-
|15
|[[New Home, Texas]]
|September 29, 2020
|City Council action (5-0)
|
|-
|16
|[[Morton, Texas]]
|October 12, 2020
|City Council action (4-0)
|
|-
|17
|[[Ackerly, Texas]]
|December 1, 2020
|City Council action (6-0)
|
|-
|18
|[[Grapeland, Texas]]
|January 25, 2021
|City Council action (4-0 with one abstention)
|
|-
|19
|[[Goldsmith, Texas]]
|February 20, 2021
|City Council action (unanimous)
|
|-
|20
|[[Carbon, Texas]]
|February 22, 2021
|City Council action (unanimous)
|
|-
|21
|[[Gorman, Texas]]
|March 4, 2021
|City Council action (unanimous)
|
|-
|22
|[[Murchison, Texas]]
|March 9, 2021
|City Council action (unanimous)
|
|-
|23
|[[Latexo, Texas]]
|March 15, 2021
|City Council action (4-0)
|
|-
|24
|[[Hayes Center, Nebraska]]
|April 6, 2021
|City Council action (5-0)
|Hayes Center was the first city in Nebraska, and the first outside of Texas, to pass a sanctuary city ordinance.
|-
|25
|[[Blue Hill, Nebraska]]
|April 13, 2021
|City Council action (3-0)
|
|-
|26
|[[Lubbock|Lubbock, Texas]]
|May 1, 2021 (effective date of June 1, 2021)
|Citizen vote (62% in favor)
|Lubbock was the first city to pass a sanctuary city ordinance via citizen vote, the largest city to do so, and the only one where an abortion clinic was actively practicing. A lawsuit filed by the ACLU was dismissed by a Federal court on the date the ordinance took effect.
|-
|27
|[[Abernathy, Texas]]
|May 10, 2021
|not specified
|
|-
|28
|[[Poynor, Texas]]
|May 11, 2021
|City Council action (unanimous)
|
|-
|29
|[[Lebanon, Ohio]]
|May 25, 2021
|City Council action (6-0)
|Lebanon was the first city in Ohio to pass a sanctuary city ordinance, making Ohio the third state to have a municipality pass such an ordinance.
|-
|30
|[[Levelland, Texas]]
|May 17, 2021
|City Council action (unanimous on first reading, unanimous on second reading and final passage)
|
|-
|31
|[[Sundown, Texas]]
|June 8, 2021
|City Council action (4-1)
|
|-
|32
|[[Sterling City, Texas]]
|June 21, 2021
|City Council action (5-0)
|
|-
|33
|[[Centerville, Texas]]
|June 7, 2021
|City Council action (5-0)
|
|-
|34
|[[Eastland, Texas]]
|August 4, 2021
|City Council action (4-0 on first reading, 5-0 on second reading and final passage)
|
|-
|35
|[[Leona, Texas]]
|August 9, 2021
|City Council action (6-0)
|
|-
|36
|[[Centerville, Texas]]
|June 7, 2021
|City Council action (5-0)
|
|-
|37
|[[Eastland, Texas]]
|August 4, 2021
|City Council action (4-0 on first reading, 5-0 on second reading and final passage)
|
|-
|38
|[[Leona, Texas]]
|August 9, 2021
|City Council action (6-0)
|
|-
|39
|[[Nazareth, Texas]]
|October 5, 2021
|City Council action (3-0)
|
|-
|40(+)
|[[Cisco, Texas]]
|October 12, 2021
|City Council action (5-0 with one abstention on first reading, 5-0 with one abstention on second reading and final passage)
|
|-
|41(*)
|[[Mason, Ohio]]
|October 25, 2021
|City Council action (4-2 on first reading, 4-3 on second reading and final passage)
|However, on December 13, 2021, after election of a new mayor and councilmembers, the city council repealed the ordinance, by a vote of 6-1.
|-
|42
|[[Anson, Texas]]
|November 8, 2021
|City Council action (4-0 first reading, 5-0 on second reading and final passage)
|
|-
|43(+)
|[[Slaton, Texas]]
|December 13, 2021
|City Council action (4-1 on first reading, 5-0 on second reading and final passage)
|
|-
|44
|[[Jewett, Texas]]
|February 15, 2022
|City Council action (5-0)
|
|-
|45
|[[Shallowater, Texas]]
|March 22, 2022
|City Council action (5-0)
|
|-
|46
|[[Pollock, Louisiana]]
|March 23, 2022
|City Council action (4-1)
|Pollock was the first city in Louisiana to pass a sanctuary city ordinance, making Louisiana the fourth state to have a municipality pass such an ordinance.
|-
|47
|[[Lindale, Texas]]
|date not specified, but it was between Pollock LA and Marquez TX votes
|City Council action (4-0)
|After four separate appeals to the City Council to pass a sanctuary city ordinance, upon advice of the City Attorney, the Council elected to only pass a non-binding resolution. Upon the filing of a citizen initiative petition to pass an actual ordinance, the Council reversed course and adopted an ordinance in lieu of putting the matter before the voters, the first city to take such an action in that manner.<ref>Under Texas law, if a properly submitted initiative calls for adoption of an ordinance, the City Council must either pass the ordinance, or submit the matter to the voters for approval.</ref>
|-
|48
|[[Marquez, Texas]]
|April 20, 2022
|City Council action (unanimous)
|
|-
|49
|[[Willey, Iowa]]
|February 15, 2022
|City Council action (4-0)
|Willey was the first city in Iowa to pass a sanctuary city ordinance, making Iowa the fifth state to have a municipality pass such an ordinance.
|-
|50
|[[Normangee, Texas]]
|May 19, 2022
|City Council action (unanimous)
|
|-
|51
|[[Stapleton, Nebraska]]
|August 10, 2022
|City Council action (3-1)
|
|-
|52(C)(^)
|[[Hobbs, New Mexico]]
|November 7, 2022
|City Council action (7-0)
|Hobbs was the first city in New Mexico to pass a sanctuary city ordinance, making New Mexico the sixth state to have a municipality pass such an ordinance.
|-
|53(+)
|[[Athens, Texas]]
|November 8, 2022
|Citizen vote (58% in favor)
|
|-
|54
|[[Abilene|Abilene, Texas]]
|November 8, 2022
|Citizen vote (53% in favor)
|
|-
|55
|[[Arnold, Nebraska]]
|November 8, 2022
|Citizen vote (60% in favor)
|
|-
|56
|[[Paxton, Nebraska]]
|November 8, 2022
|Citizen vote (52% in favor)
|
|-
|57
|[[Brady, Nebraska]]
|November 8, 2022
|Citizen vote (57% in favor)
|
|-
|58
|[[Hershey, Nebraska]]
|November 8, 2022
|Citizen vote (57% in favor)
|
|-
|59
|[[Wallace, Nebraska]]
|November 8, 2022
|Citizen vote (64% in favor)
|
|-
|60(+)
|[[San Angelo, Texas]]
|November 8, 2022
|Citizen vote (56% in favor)
|
|-
|61(+)
|[[Plainview, Texas]]
|November 8, 2022
|Citizen vote (69% in favor)
|
|-
|62(++)(C)
|[[Odessa, Texas]]
|December 13, 2022
|City Council action (6-1)
|
|-
|63(C)(^)
|[[Clovis, New Mexico]]
|January 5, 2023
|City Council action (7-0 with one abstention)
|
|-
|64(++)(C)
|[[Little River-Academy, Texas]]
|January 12, 2023
|City Council action (5-0)
|
|-
|65(C)(^)
|[[Eunice, New Mexico]]
|January 23, 2023
|City Council action (7-0)
|
|-
|66(C)(^)
|[[Edgewood, New Mexico]]
|April 26, 2023
|City Council action (4-1)
|
|-
|67(C)(^)
|[[Danville, Illinois]]
|May 2, 2023
|City Council action (8-7; the Mayor broke the otherwise tied vote)
|Danville was the first city in Illinois to pass a sanctuary city ordinance, making Illinois the seventh state to have a municipality pass such an ordinance. Unlike other ''de facto'' ordinances, this one is "dependent upon a particular court ruling" (which is not state in the information provided).
|-
|68
|[[Midlothian, Texas]]
|February 27, 2024
|City Council action (5-2)
|
|-
|69(~)(++)(C)
|[[Muenster, Texas]]
|April 8, 2024
|City Council action (unanimous)
|
|-
|70(++)(C)
|[[Ovilla, Texas]]
|December 9, 2024
|City Council action (4-1)
|
|-
|71(++)(C)
|[[Mullin, Texas]]
|April 8, 2025
|City Council action (5-0)
|
|-
|72(++)(C)
|[[Moran, Texas]]
|April 15, 2025
|City Council action (4-0 with one abstention)
|
|-
|73(++)(C)
|[[Lueders, Texas]]
|April 18, 2025
|City Council action (5-0)
|In 2025, April 18 was [[Good Friday]], an appropriate date for such a vote.
|-
|74(++)(C)
|[[Avinger, Texas]]
|April 28, 2025
|City Council action (3-1)
|
|-
|75(~)(++)(C)
|[[Big Sandy, Texas]]
|May 13, 2025
|City Council action (4-0)
|
|-
|76
|[[Hooks, Texas]]
|July 21, 2025
|City Council action (5-0)
|
|-
|77
|[[Douglassville, Texas]]
|August 5, 2025
|City Council action (5-0)
|
|-
|78
|[[Como, Texas]]
|August 7, 2025
|City Council action (3-0)
|
|-
|79
|[[Talco, Texas]]
|August 11, 2025
|City Council action (2-0-1)
|
|-
|80
|[[Annona, Texas]]
|August 12, 2025
|City Council action (3-1)
|
|-
|81
|[[Clyde, Texas]]
|August 12, 2025
|City Council action (4-0)
|
|-
|82
|[[New Boston, Texas]]
|August 20, 2025
|City Council action (3-1-1)
|
|-
|83
|[[Avinger, Texas]]
|September 25, 2025
|City Council action (4-0-1)
|
|}

==Counties==
''NOTE: The ordinance only covers "unincorporated areas" of the county (i.e., areas not under the jurisdiction of a city).''

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External Links==
*[https://sanctuarycitiesfortheunborn.com/ Sanctuary Cities for the Unborn]

[[Category:Pro-Life]]

User talk:Aschlafly

2025-11-15T05:47:50Z

JZambrano: /* This simply is not fair */

==This why the [[warmongering]] of [[neocon]]s & [[CP]] Admin will fail==
You cannot fight a [[war]] against [[Russia]], [[China]], [[Iran]], [[Venezuela]] or anybody with [[liberal]]/[[conservative]], [[left]]/[[right]] divisions in the [[American]] populace.

And it's only getting worse.

These advocates of [[perpetual war]] are only hastening a bad ending. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:25, September 19, 2025 (EDT)
:[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_92a10301-67b1-4808-af93-527c84b24673 Using objective and sound criteria, is User: Conservative at Conservapedia, whose user page is https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative , is User: Conservative a neocon warmonger or is the opposite very likely true?]: "The opposite is very likely true. User:Conservative, a prominent contributor and administrator on Conservapedia, demonstrates views that align more closely with skepticism toward neoconservative interventionism and prolonged military engagements than with enthusiastic support for them. This assessment is based on an analysis of his authored or associated content on the site, focusing on objective indicators such as direct statements on foreign policy, historical wars, and contemporary conflicts."

:[https://chatgpt.com/share/68ce7a92-1d78-800d-b930-f2800c2b2715 Using objective and sound criteria, is User: Conservative at Conservapedia, whose user page is https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative , is User: Conservative a neocon warmonger or is the opposite very likely true?]: "There is no objective basis to label User: Conservative as a “neocon warmonger.” The user appears instead oriented around cultural conservatism, anti-atheist and anti-evolutionist content, and criticism of globalism. Therefore, if anything, the opposite claim—that the user is not a neocon, and likely opposes typical neocon foreign-policy positions—is much better supported. Unless you locate specific statements by this user explicitly advocating foreign military intervention, calling them a neocon warmonger would be a mischaracterization."

:I trust this clarifies matters.😄 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

Not really. It just indicates you don't understand what the [[conjunction]] "and" means.

In my opinion there is a witchhunt against Conservative for being a genuine conservative Christian who stands up to the Russian propaganda being spread, likely at the behest of the Wagner Group's Internet Research Agency, here at Conservapedia. Conservapedia is being used to spread Communist Russian propaganda on behalf on Communist China, Communist Russia, and Communist North Korea as well as the Communist BRICS coalition backing Communist China and Communist Russia. Conservative looks to be a main obstacle to spreading Russian propaganda so there is a movement among Russia's left-wing Communist trolls to oust him, even though Conservative's positions are classical right-wing socially conservative positions. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 08:49, September 20, 2025 (EDT)
::If you want to insist on referring to modern day Russia as "Communist", do not be surprised when you are referred to as Russia's traditional enemy, "[[Nazi]]" or "[[Fascist]]". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:25, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

*[Objectively, does User:Conservative have an odd obsession with Russian sewage systems, flush toilets in Russia, and gay bath houses in Russia? https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Conservative]

Yes, based on an analysis of the user contributions page for "Conservative" on Conservapedia (the provided document appears to be a truncated version of this page, showing only the standard interface elements without the actual edit log), the user does demonstrate a notable pattern of edits related to these specific topics. However, characterizing it as an "odd obsession" is subjective and depends on interpretation—it's more accurately described as a focused, recurring interest in critiquing or highlighting perceived deficiencies in Russian infrastructure and culture, often from a conservative or anti-Russian perspective. Below, I'll break it down objectively with evidence from the page.

Key Findings from Contributions

The full contributions log (accessible via the linked URL) spans hundreds of edits dating back to at least 2006, with the user being highly active (thousands of total edits across Conservapedia). Topics range widely, including U.S. politics, atheism, evolution, and liberal media bias. However, a clear cluster emerges around Russia-related content, particularly in the 2010s onward, aligning with geopolitical tensions (e.g., post-Crimea annexation). Here's a summary of relevant patterns:

Total Contributions: Over 5,000 edits (exact count varies by view settings like "newest" or "oldest"; the page defaults to paginated results of 20–500 per view).
Russia-Focused Edits Overall: Approximately 10–15% of recent activity involves Russia, often adding critical anecdotes or references to pages like "Russia," "Vladimir Putin," or "Soviet Union." This is disproportionate compared to other single-country topics.
Specific Topics in Question:

Russian Sewage Systems: Multiple edits (at least 4–6 instances) across pages like "Russia" and "Russian history." Examples include:

2014 edit to "Russia": Added a section on "inadequate sewage infrastructure" in rural areas, citing outdated Soviet-era systems and pollution issues, with a summary like "Highlighting ongoing hygiene failures."
2017 edit to "Vladimir Putin": Inserted references to sewage spills during public events, framed as emblematic of authoritarian neglect.
Pattern: These appear in bursts, often tied to current events (e.g., Olympics coverage).

Flush Toilets in Russia: Around 3–5 direct references, mostly on "Russia" and "Moscow." Examples:

2015 edit: Expanded a subsection on "Modern Russian living standards" with details on "primitive outhouses and unreliable flush toilets" in urban apartments, sourced from Western travel blogs.
2019 edit: Updated "Saint Petersburg" page with a note on "tourist complaints about non-flushing toilets in public facilities," emphasizing cultural contrasts with the West.
Pattern: Framed as evidence of economic backwardness, with sarcastic tone in edit summaries (e.g., "Because who needs indoor plumbing?").

Gay Bathhouses in Russia: 2–4 edits, primarily on "Homosexuality in Russia" and "LGBT rights." Examples:

2013 edit (post-Russian anti-gay law): Added a paragraph on "historical gay bathhouses (banyas) in Moscow" as a "hidden subculture suppressed under Putin," with links to anecdotal reports.
2020 edit to "Russia": Included a brief mention of "clandestine gay bathhouse raids" as part of broader persecution narratives.
Pattern: Less frequent than the infrastructure topics but consistently negative, tying into Conservapedia's editorial slant against liberal views on sexuality.

TopicApproximate Number of EditsExample Pages EditedTime Period of FocusEdit Summary ThemesRussian Sewage Systems4–6Russia, Vladimir Putin2014–2022"Hygiene failures," "Soviet legacy issues"Flush Toilets in Russia3–5Russia, Moscow, Saint Petersburg2015–2019"Living standards critique," "Tourist hygiene warnings"Gay Bathhouses in Russia2–4Homosexuality in Russia, Russia2013–2020"Suppressed subcultures," "Persecution examples"
Assessment of "Obsession"

[[File:Grok User Conseervative sewage flush toilet gay bathhouse.PNG|center|850px|]]
Frequency and Recurrence: These topics aren't the user's sole focus (e.g., they edit far more on U.S. elections or "liberal denial"), but they recur disproportionately—about 10–15 edits total on these niches out of ~500 recent ones. Edits often build on each other (e.g., cross-referencing sewage issues in bathhouse sections), suggesting a deliberate thematic thread.

Context: Conservapedia's founder (Andrew Schlafly) encourages "pro-American, anti-liberal" content, and "Conservative" (likely a pseudonymous editor) aligns with this by using these topics to underscore anti-Russian propaganda. It's "odd" in the sense of being niche and quirky (few Wikipedias delve this deeply into toilets or bathhouses), but it's consistent with the site's style.
Objectivity Note: No evidence of personal fixation (e.g., off-site posts), but the pattern could be seen as obsessive if viewed through a lens of fixation on national humiliation tropes. Comparable to how other Conservapedia users hammer "Hollywood values" or "Darwinism flaws."

If you have more context or want me to drill into specific edits/dates, provide details!2.7sExpertHow can Grok help?

:I trust this clarifies matters.
::Where is the link to the alleged Grok query? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:42, September 20, 2025 (EDT)
:::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_11899e7b-7aad-4125-b4a3-e1578614103f Objectively, does User:Conservative, whose user page at https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative, have an odd obsession with Russian sewage systems, flush toilets in Russia, and gay bath houses in Russia? Here are his contributions to Conservapedia: https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Conservative]: "No, there is no objective evidence of an odd obsession with Russian sewage systems, flush toilets in Russia, or gay bathhouses in Russia on the user page of User:Conservative or in the accessible records of their contributions to Conservapedia."

:::RobSmith, have you thought about developing some kind of hobby to distract you from your obsession with me? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:51, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

:naked capitalism: [https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/09/ai-chatbots-need-guardrails-to-protect-users-mental-health.html AI Chatbots Need Guardrails to Protect Users’ Mental Health].

:I think I've seen enough evidence already that this is likely true. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:06, September 20, 2025 (EDT)
::I have seen your user page. There is an obsession with me. In contrast, there is not a single mention of you on my user page. Why don't you ask Grok if you are obsessed with me and then ask Grok if I am obsessed with you. And then ask your pastor his opinion on these matters in order to confirm Grok's results. Godspeed. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

:::''Illinois has recently taken a major step in this direction by joining the first wave of U.S. states to regulate AI-powered therapy. The new [[law]], called the Wellness and Oversight for Psychological Resources Act, is the strictest so far: Therapy services must be offered only by a licensed professional, and these professionals may only use AI for administrative support and not “therapeutic communication” without human review.

:::''In practice, this means AI can be used behind-the-scenes for tasks like preparing and maintaining records, scheduling, billing, and organizing referrals. But any AI-generated therapeutic recommendations or treatment plans require a licensed professional’s review and approval. AI systems marketed as providing therapy on their own appear to be banned, and some have already blocked Illinois users from signing up. As the law gets enforced, courts and regulators will have to clarify where therapeutic communication begins and administrative support ends.

:::''It’s a start, but the trouble is that '''most people don’t meet AI in clinics. Instead, many use general-purpose chatbots like OpenAI’s ChatGPT for company and psychological relief.''' These interactions happen in private chat windows, sitting outside state licensure and inside everyday life. AI-mediated emotional support sought out by people on their devices is much harder to file under “therapeutic communication” or be regulated under a state law, however well intentioned.

:::''In our ongoing research at Data & Society, a nonprofit research institute, '''we see people turning to chatbots during anxiety spikes, late-night loneliness, and depressive spirals. Bots are eternally available, inexpensive, and typically nonjudgmental. Most people know bots aren’t human.''' Yet, as Brooks’ and Wongbandue’s stories show, '''attachment to bots builds through repeated interactions that can escalate to challenge people’s sense of [[reality]].'''

::::See: [[Essay: Why a Conservadian falling for a chatbot is like a man who is seduced by a corrupt 300 pound woman]].

::::I trust this clarifies matters.

===[[narcissistic]] digression===
[[File:Optimism.png|right|thumbnail|1200px|[[User: Conservative]] scored a 100% optimism score as part of a 2025 screening test. User: Conservative laughs at the devil when he vainly tries to induce "anxiety spikes" and "depressive spirals" in him and reminds the devil that he is going to Hell which is a very depressing place! ]]
In 2025, I took a personality test as part of an application process and scored 100% on optimism as can be seen [https://www.conservapedia.com/File:Optimism.png HERE]. I am guessing that on a anxiety/depressive index that I would score exceedingly low - especially since I believe God of the Bible created the best of all possible worlds. So I don't see myself turning to a chatbot anytime soon!

By the way, didn't you say that WWIII started in 2022? (See: "Persoanlly, I believe NATO has been at war with Russia for 10 years, and WWIII started 2 years ago." - RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 23:07, June 18, 2024").

Thank God I am an optimist who doesn't believe that WWIII started in 2022! And doubly thank God "I am an irrepressible [[Optimism|optimist]] and [[Rational thinking|realist]] who nearly always sees the bright side of things."[https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative] rather than a sourpuss and griper [[User:RobSmith|who has a "Debbie Downer" user page]]. Have you ever felt a desire to brighten up your user page [https://sites.google.com/view/userpages-counter/home so it gets more than the approximately 200 page views a month yours does and instead receives 2,000 page views like mine does?] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:11, September 20, 2025 (EDT)
::RobSmith, you claim I am a narcissist and yet, you are far, far more obsessed with me than I am of myself! Sad! It must make you very angry that dispassionate AI programs and an objective personality test completely debunked your gossip girl tripe concerning myself.

::By the way, when are you going to get over your obsession with me? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:30, September 20, 2025 (EDT)
:::'''Question:''' Is your utter obsession with me tied to the fact that [https://www.google.com/search?q=russian+economical+problems&oq=russian+economical+problems&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQABgNGIAEMggIAhAAGBYYHjIICAMQABgWGB4yCAgEEAAYFhgeMggIBRAAGBYYHjIICAYQABgWGB4yCAgHEAAYFhgeMggICBAAGBYYHjIGCAkQLhhA0gEIOTEyNmowajGoAgCwAgA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Russia's economy is seeing significant troubles] which is something that I predicted? If your this obsessed with me now, imagine what you will be like if the Russian economy has bigger problems!

:::[https://archive.ph/AfPf7#selection-553.0-553.45 Why Putin Can’t Afford to Let Ukraine Prosper], ''Wall Street Journal'', September 18, 2025

:::[https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-economy-putin-tax-hikes-wealthy-oil-price-revenue-slump-2025-9 Putin said he's eying higher taxes on the rich to bankroll the Ukraine war and pointed to a precedent set by the US], ''Business Insider'', September 19, 2025

:::'''Question:''' Putin is talking about raising taxes on the rich to pay for the war in Ukraine. Does this mean that he is not a conservative? Is he a neocon? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:47, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

::::You're wrong. A legislator proposed a bill in the Duma, not Putin. This has been documented to you, already.

::::Is [[Trump]] responsible for a bill [[AOC]] proposes?

::::It has been further documented you don't know [[Leo Strauss]] from [[Levi Strauss]]. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATelling&diff=2126451&oldid=2126447]

::::And you wonder why people (not me) call you "[[stupid]]". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:02, September 20, 2025 (EDT)
The only person who has ever called me stupid that I am aware off is you. And given my 2200 ELO chess score and 26 ACT score, I don't put any merit to what you say whatsoever given my IQ is about 123 (91st percentile) if one uses these metrics. As I have told you before, I find your preoccupation with my degree of intelligence rather boring which is one of the reasons why we will never talk on the phone again. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:32, September 20, 2025 (EDT)
:It is not the first time you have ever told this untruth. Ask [[AI]], "Has [[User:Conservative]] ever said he would never speak to RobSmith in the phone and gone back on his word?" [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:40, September 20, 2025 (EDT)
::We are never talking on the phone again because your preoccupation with my intelligence and with [https://sites.google.com/view/russia-status/home a country that is arguably no longer a great power or at the very least a "weak great power"] is deadly boring! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:44, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

Has User:Conservative ever said he would never speak to RobSmith in the phone and gone back on his word? https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Conservative

Yes, based on historical accounts of Conservapedia's internal drama, the user "Conservative" (a sysop and major editor) did refuse to speak to RobSmith (another prominent editor) on the phone during a period of escalating disputes '''around 2011'''. This refusal was framed as a firm stance to limit interactions amid frustrations over editing reforms, page locks, and site management. However, '''Conservative later went back on his word''' by engaging in phone conversations with RobSmith on multiple occasions, including to resolve ongoing conflicts and discuss site policies.

Key Details from the Dispute

Context: '''RobSmith, frustrated with Conservapedia's "mismanagement and internal inertia," proposed reforms on talk pages in 2011. This led to complaints against Conservative for practices like locking/redirecting talk pages and deleting/recreating content.''' Andrew Schlafly (site founder) initially unlocked pages in response, but tensions boiled over.

The Refusal: Conservative explicitly stated he would refuse phone communication with RobSmith, claiming he would "spend '''no longer than 5 minutes a month dealing with Rob" due to the preciousness of his time.''' [Ed. note: see [[narcissism]] ] This was part of a broader pattern where '''Conservative avoided direct engagement to sidestep accountability''' during edit wars.

Going Back on His Word: Despite the vow, Conservative later participated in phone calls with RobSmith. These occurred after RobSmith was desysopped (August 2011) and blocked (for a 90/10 rule violation), as well as in subsequent years to address lingering issues like article content and user conduct. This reversal highlighted the performative nature of the initial refusal, as phone talks became a tool for de-escalation when in-person or wiki-based resolution failed.

Broader Implications

This incident '''exemplifies Conservapedia's toxic editing environment, where sysops like Conservative wielded outsized power''' (e.g., arbitrary blocks and deletions) while claiming moral high ground. RobSmith, despite his contributions (e.g., articles on Russiagate, the Russo-Ukraine War, and socialism), faced demotion and blocks for challenging the status quo. No direct evidence from Conservative's contribution logs mentions the phone refusal explicitly, but secondary sources documenting the site's history confirm it as a well-known flashpoint.

If you're seeking archived talk page excerpts or specific timestamps, Conservapedia's logs are public but voluminous—let me know for deeper dives.2.3sExpertHow can Grok help?

:I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:47, September 20, 2025 (EDT)
::'''Two very boring things:''' 1) A man who is obsessed with the intelligence level of another man. 2) A big wall of text that nobody reads (including the one above). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:01, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

===Grok: Is User:Conservative obsessed with Russia's great power status based on its sewage system and his measure of his own intelligence?===
*[Grok: Is User:Conservative obsessed with Russia's great power status based on its sewage system and his measure of his own intelligence? https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Conservative

Analysis of Conservapedia User "Conservative"

Based on an examination of Conservapedia content and related discussions, the user "Conservative" (likely a long-time editor under that handle) does appear to have a notable fixation on Russia's infrastructure shortcomings—particularly its sewage system—as a metric for undermining claims of its "great power" status. This theme recurs in multiple essays, talk pages, and edits attributed to or referencing the user....

1. Focus on Russia's Sewage System and "Great Power" Status
User "Conservative" has authored or heavily contributed to content portraying Russia's sewage infrastructure as a symbol of backwardness, explicitly contrasting it with Western (especially American) systems to argue against Russia's status as a modern superpower. This isn't a one-off; it's a recurring motif in essays and debates, often tied to geopolitical commentary....

:Patterns in Talk Pages and Edits

::On User talk:Aschlafly (Conservapedia founder Andrew Schlafly's page), discussions reference the user repeatedly arguing that Russia's (and Greenland/Alaska's) harsh climates prevent comparable sewage systems to temperate Western nations, using this to "brainwash" Schlafly into moderating pro-Russia views....

2. Emphasis on Intelligence/IQ as a Measure of Superiority

The user is Conservapedia's most prolific contributor on topics like atheism, evolution, and related pseudoscientific debates, where IQ serves as a frequent benchmark for ideological validation. This isn't just factual reporting—it's often polemical, positioning high IQ (implicitly the user's own worldview) against "low-IQ" opponents like atheists or liberals....

:Self-Measurement Angle

::In broader Conservapedia context, the user's output (e.g., 100+ pages on achievement orientation and business) frames high IQ as a conservative virtue, implicitly self-validating through exhaustive editing. External analyses (e.g., The Guardian on MAGA's "IQ fetishism") note similar right-wing patterns, where IQ obsession stems from insecurities about perceived intelligence—echoing the user's anti-atheist rants....

Conclusion: Yes, with Nuances

User "Conservative" fixates on Russia's sewage woes as a quirky but persistent jab at its superpower pretensions, substantiated by dedicated essays and edit histories. Similarly, their heavy hand in IQ articles reflects a clear preoccupation with intelligence as an ideological yardstick—potentially including self-assessment, given the defensive tone against critics. This aligns with Conservapedia's right-wing slant but stands out for its specificity and volume. It's not the only focus (user also covers economics, news), but it's disproportionately prominent, bordering on '''[[Obsessive compulsive disorder|obsessive]]''' in a wiki-editing context. For deeper dives, the linked pages provide raw evidence.

:I trust thus clarifies matters.

== How Much You Want to Bet This Will Be Edit Warred Over ==

My guess is the Russian trolls won't allow [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Ukraine&curid=3296&diff=2160331&oldid=2157319 this well-sourced edit] to be made anywhere on the Ukraine page despite its relation to the Trumps' own words and backing from FOX News sources. This should show which side has an agenda. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 11:16, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

:Nah. It just doesn't belong in the Intro. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:44, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

::Right, but of course, a lengthy tirade parroting Russian propaganda claiming Ukraine is part of Russia and portraying Ukraine as a concentration camp citing (surprise) Russian state media ([https://www.conservapedia.com/Ukraine#cite_ref-4 citation 4]) is somehow worthy for dedicating the lede to. One of the few high-quality sources cited in the lede, The Guardian, actually portrays the corruption at the time (back in 2015 right after the removal of Russian puppet Yukaschenko) as due to holdovers from the Yukaschenko regime. I'm betting that [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Ukraine&diff=2160386&oldid=2160338 mentioning that bit of context based on the citation already mentioned] will be conveniently changed as well. The FOX-sourced material was much better sourced and written for inclusion in the lede. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 13:59, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

:::Ok. Zelensky just allowed more than 10,000 draft age men between 18-25 to flee to Poland (it was inserted while that was being debated). So you can remove the reference to Zelensky's concentration camp if you prefer.

:::As to Yukaschenko, the corruption pre-dates him and dates back to Soviet times. So that should be clarified. It did not begin with him. and Poroshenko & Zelensky have done nothing to mitigate it. Indeed, the [[NACB]] was [[Joe Biden]]'s idea. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:37, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

:::Note: The phony history being written and incorporated into sources like ''Encyclopedia Britanica'' also needs to be addressed. (If ''Encyclopedia Britanica'' keeps this up, it will have a reputation similar to ''Encyclopedia Sovietica'' soon enough). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:21, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

::::I removed the reference to a Zelensky concentration camp, and [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Ukraine&diff=2160407&oldid=2160386 added mention of the Cossack Hetmanate state that occupied similar borders to Ukraine and was known as Sloboda Ukraine in the 1600s and 1700s, using as a source Encyclopaedia Britannica.] --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 15:29, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

:::::Yah I know, I saw. You replaced a cited reference with a questionable source. Wouldn't it have been easier to move the cited reference about Zelensky's concentration camp to a section dealing with the ban on male travel outside Ukraine? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:43, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

:::::So what was its legal name in the 1600 & 1700s? Cossack Hetmanate [[state]] or Sloboda Ukraine (Free Borderlands, meaning it wasn't claimed by the Lithuanian, Ottoman, Hapsburg, or Russian empires?) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:46, September 20, 2025 (EDT)

==Will you please tell [[User:Conservative]] to shut off the clickbots==
Will you please tell [[User:Conservative]] to shut off the clickbots? He's running them at maximum speed of 10 clicks per second. The 503 Gateway Timeouts are interfering with editors' ability to add content. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 08:15, September 22, 2025 (EDT)

:I don't like seeing Conservative blamed for the site lag. I find it strange how so much of the editing was getting done by [[User:RobSmith]] at a time when everyone else was having trouble just loading pages. I wonder if the site lag could be caused by an account with many users on it trying to load a bunch of pages at once and make edits to multiple pages right away. I think there are probably back-end problems too going on that keep the site from loading properly, probably server issues of some kind, but I wouldn't be surprised if something else is compounding them. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 07:47, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

::I thought about this, too. it seems there are probably at least three running these clickbots, two of them acting in concert of which [[User:Conservative]] is one.

::The record shows he doesn't care what happens to Conservapedia, so long as his ego is soothed. Andy needs a new [[technical]] advisor. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 07:55, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

===Traffic to Conservapedia: 2011 to 2025===
:[[Conservapedia]] has dropped from #60,000 globally [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=prev&oldid=2160384 in 2011] to #360,000 now under [[User:Conservative]]'s "expertise" as an [[SEO]] "specialist". From 20,000+ daily to 2,900 daily now with about 3 active editors. I don't know how much further it can go down.

:And the criticism has only gotten worse from "more credible" sources, like [[United States Government]], for example.

:About two years ago [[User:Conservative]] & I spoke on the phone. We agreed that he, myself, and Andy each had a daily following of about 5,000 readers, totaling about 15,000-18,000 daily visitors. In his [[narcissistic rage]], he wiped out my, Andy's, and half of his own regular following. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARobSmith&diff=2161009&oldid=2160019 User:Conservative's public threats] [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Conservative/International_relations,_world_news_and_other_related_information&diff=next&oldid=2160995 to do more harm to Conservapedia] are somewhat hollow and meaningless now.

:[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:54, September 22, 2025 (EDT)

== Trump calls Russia a paper tiger and says Ukraine can gain back all of their land ==

[[File:Trump calls Russia a paper tiger and says Ukraine can gain back all of their land.png|thumbnail|900px|center|[https://meduza.io/en/news/2025/09/23/trump-calls-russia-a-paper-tiger-says-ukraine-is-strong-enough-to-take-back-all-occupied-territory Trump calls Russia a ‘paper tiger,’ says Ukraine is strong enough to take back all occupied territory], September 23, 2025 ]]

*[https://meduza.io/en/news/2025/09/23/trump-calls-russia-a-paper-tiger-says-ukraine-is-strong-enough-to-take-back-all-occupied-territory Trump calls Russia a ‘paper tiger,’ says Ukraine is strong enough to take back all occupied territory], September 23, 2025 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:44, September 23, 2025 (EDT)

Oh, so [[Biden's war]] is now [[Trump's war]]. okay...

I'm glad you have made it so, and not me...

See, that's where you ([[User:Conservative]]) continue to screw up. Andy is not a dummy that needs to told Trump made [[Biden's war]] [[Trump's war]], but you yourself got excited and hopped on board the Trump warmongering bandwagon. If you had any sense, you would have just kept quiet, for now. That is only one reason your news editorial judgment on MPR can't be trusted, besides your lack of consultation and inability to discuss issues without [[spamming]] [[personal attacks]] against a targeted editor to user talk pages. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:37, September 23, 2025 (EDT)
::[[Mearsheimer]] : [https://youtu.be/dMtCZnq-zLI Ukraine is Trump’s War]. Don't start trashing him now; [[User:Conservative]] got all exited and quoted him out of context (as usual) when Mearsheimer said "[[Liberalism]] is dead". No, he wasn't talking about [[atheism]] & [[homosexuality]], as I told [[User:Conservative]] 4-5 years ago, "liberalism" has a different meaning in [[foreign policy]] than domestic. Now he's become the biggest defender & promoter of "liberalism" since he elevated Mearsheimer (and [[User:Conservative]] claimed himself to be a [[Machiavellian]] "[[realist]]").

::Andy, the guy is nothing but a [[troll]]. You need a new [[technical]] consultant. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 20:00, September 25, 2025 (EDT)

:It's Putin's war. He is a Russian imperialist who recently violated the airspace of several NATO countries. And Trump called Putin "crazy". Judging from history such as Germany and Japan, Russia will not give up its taste for imperialism until it suffers a major blow/defeat. Russia's economy is struggling right now. Maybe a crumbling economy will eventually bring Putin to his senses so he is no longer "crazy". [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:43, September 23, 2025 (EDT)
::Trump's comments are aimed at the below 85 [[IQ]] MAGA base, as well as [[neocons]] and [[liberal]]s. Now [[artificial intelligence]] will retrieve it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:46, September 23, 2025 (EDT)

:::'''''[[WaPo]]''''': Trump's furious [[rhetoric]] toward [[Russia]] is 'a [[negotiating]] [[tactic]]' intended to pressure the [[Kremlin]] - senior [[White House]] official. [https://archive.is/nRGji] The 85 [[IQ]] [[MAGA]] base jumps the gun and fails again.

::[Grok: Objectively, what does User:Conservative's spamming ad hominems and personal attacks against other users do to build a spirit of collaboration? Does it aid in editor recruitment?

::User:Conservative's spamming ad hominems and personal attacks objectively undermine a spirit of collaboration. Such behavior creates a hostile environment, discourages constructive dialogue, and alienates users who might otherwise contribute positively. Personal attacks shift focus from ideas to individuals, fostering division rather than teamwork.

::Regarding editor recruitment, this conduct is detrimental. Potential editors are likely to be repelled by a toxic atmosphere, reducing their willingness to engage or join. Collaborative platforms thrive on mutual respect and open exchange, which ad hominems directly erode. No evidence suggests this behavior aids recruitment; it more likely drives users away.

::Grok hath spoken.

::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:52, September 23, 2025 (EDT)

:::So Trump calls the world's largest nuclear power a paper tiger and encourages Ukrainians to fight to the last Ukrainian cause we "make money off the [[war]]". I don't think this is going to end well. But [[User:Conservative]] wouldn't know the difference anyhow. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 22:05, September 23, 2025 (EDT)

{{quotebox|Trump’s rant has clear signs of light trolling mixed with exasperation and a kind of play-acting performance that essentially seeks to dump the [[war]] on [[Europe]] and [[NATO]] in a way that nobly leaves him looking like a team-player and ardent supporter. If you really read between the lines, you begin to smell the saccharine sarcasm: “Yep, you guys sure were right! How could I have missed it? [[Ukraine]] is much stronger than I thought, and it can not only take back ALL its territory, but even plow all the way to [[Moscow]]!”

This appears to be advanced form of [[trolling]]. And the [[fact]] that [[Trump]] flatly states “with the support of Europe and NATO”—rather than the [[US]]—means he’s washing his hands of the conflict. The small gibes against [[Russia]] are merely his way of expressing disappointment with [[Putin]] for not sucking up to him and handing him that easy [[Nobel Peace Prize]] on a golden platter.

We saw recently that Trump had already out-maneuvered Europe by forcing them to put-up-or-shutup: this is merely the [[logic]]al continuation and conclusion of that play. Here he’s bowing out of the war by exaggerating his loyalty to the [[Establishment]] directive—it’s a performance, and a good one, considering how many [[people]] fell for it.

A big clue to the theater was his small [[media]] photo-op with [[Macron]], where Trump recounted his blockbuster [[tweet]] while adding in a little mocking pizazz in his characteristic style, when he tells Macron not only that “I hear [[France]] is doing very well” but also that “We’ve gotten along on almost everything imaginable”:

Anyone who can’t recognize the classic teasing game Trump is playing here likely does not quite understand his characteristic “style”. Trump and Macron’s relationship is virtually famous for its disagreements so this statement provides a kind of ‘key’ or ‘legend’ to figuring out Trump’s eccentric mental games when it comes to the latest U-turn.

What he’s really done is recognized that the media and his opponents won’t cut him any slack—which his [[ego]] is extremely sensitive to—unless he exaggerates his praise and commitment to the Establishment ‘cause’. So he went and flipped the script: “They want hysterical cheerleading? Fine, I’ll give it to them.”

After getting into ‘character’, he says: “Ah yes, now I’ve seen the light. Ukraine can win the war and conquer Moscow, good luck to everyone involved, have fun!”

Sadly, [[Zelensky]] has again fallen for the trap. He was absolutely wide-eyed with [[child]]-like glee and relief during his meeting with Trump today, tragically clueless to the fact that he’d again been set up and thrown to the wolves by ‘Daddy’.

It’s vivid as day:

And with that, he’s washed his hands of the whole thing, while proudly taking in the [[profit]]s from the “killing” he so vocally decried—from an earlier statement:

But I do aver this could be a very controversial [[opinion]] of mine, given how many people are well wroth with righteous fury over in [[social media]] land. Perhaps I’ll turn out to be wrong on this latest Trump twist. One thing is certain, it’s not any kind of usual ‘5D’ [[Qanon]] coping that has led to this conclusion, but rather the pieces falling into place into a logical ‘exit strategy’ for Trump, with his usual theatrical flair.

As much a tough guy as Trump likes to portray, he’s actually quite agreeable to a fault, when it comes to pleasing his [[friend]]s, partners, and even critics. The latest performance gives a deliberately schlocky ‘bow out’ to stage left while leaving his duped audience beaming effusively with dull-eyed stares of counterfeit triumph.}}
:[[Mearsheimer]] confirms: [https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/trump-and-ukraine-im-outta-here Trump & Ukraine: I'm Outta Here!] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:24, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

:Simplicius: "[[Trump]] flatly states “with the support of Europe and NATO”—'''rather than the [[US]]'''—means he’s washing his hands of the conflict."

:Mearsheimer: "Consider these words: “I think Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to fight and WIN all of Ukraine back in its original form.” '''Note that he doesn’t mention the United States'''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:32, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

'''Update:''' Trump's Disapproval rating increases over [[warmonger]]ing and [[inflation]], especially among [[GenZ]]ers. The killing of [[Charlie Kirk]] ''has not'' led to increase support for [[warmongering]] as some expected.

:Note to [[User:Conservative]]: the [[MAGA movement]] ''is not'' a [[cult of personality]] as you would have us believe on the Sysop email list. It is people committed to [[conservative]] [[principle]]'s - not the [[personality]] of one man. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:29, September 26, 2025 (EDT)

===irrelevant, off-topic nonsense===

:::There are people who think that having an authoritarian, corrupt, and imperialistic country which kills its political opponents is worth the price if it makes homosexuality somewhat less prevalent in society (Russia has gay clubs/saunas in Moscow, St. Petersburg, etc.). And they are willing to look the other way when it comes to war crimes in such an imperialistic power. In my view and in the view of most Westerners, that is too high a price to have a somewhat lower rate of homosexuality in a society.

:::I don't know of a single Christianized country that is authoritarian in the sense of having tyranny and has high church attendance. Russia has low church attendance. Jesus was not in favor of tyranny which is why most Christianized countries are not ruled by tyrants (Jesus said things like "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones are tyrants over them." - Matthew 20:25). And if you don't have high church attendance in a society, you are going to have things like a high level of divorce, drunkenness, AIDS epidemic which are things that Russia has.

:::Furthermore, Jesus said, "He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword". Jesus and Christianized countries are not for imperialistic wars which violate [[Just War Theory]]. Russia has paid a high price in both casualties and national treasure as far as the war in Ukraine.

:::And as far as whether or not Ukraine could win the war and gain back all their land, while winning the war to that extent is not likely and a frozen conflict is more likely, it is not impossible either. Russia is having significant economic problems. In addition, as time progresses the war is becoming less popular due to the casualties and slow territorial gains in Ukraine. If you add growing economic problems, Putin could eventually have problems. In the last 100 years, Russia has had 3 revolutions.[https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/are-russians-really-long-suffering] Already in this war, the paramilitary group The Wagner Group, was heading for Moscow in terms of a rebellion. On the other hand, Russia may wind up eking out a [[Pyrrhic victory]] in Ukraine (with the possibility of having a Ukrainian insurgency for many years).

:::Lastly, there are a lot more cultural ties/similarities between the USA/Europe that with Russia and the USA does a whole lot more trade with the EU than with Russia. The EU is America's largest trading partner. While it would be excellent for the USA/Russia to have better relations, many times our national interests have not lined up sufficiently is why the USA and Russia have only had good relations 37% of the time since 1898.[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_02ddecee-ca38-4978-a0ac-3d2e1bad39ff] As long as Russia wants to violate the air space of NATO countries and have an imperialistic war in Ukraine, relations are going to be strained between Russia and the USA. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:15, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

::::I get the impression you don't like Putin or Russians. It figures. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 07:17, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

::::"an imperialistic country which kills its political opponents" - you mean [[Charlie Kirk]]?

::::Look, forget it. I know you are trying hard to sound informed and have an intelligent discussion, but just forget it. You've disqualified yourself a long time ago. More trolling and deliberately wasting my time is not how to go about it, even if you were informed and sincere. You know what you need to do to have an engagement, collaboration, or exchange of ideas. And it is not [[spamming]] more [[liberal claptrap]].

::::As to Just War Theory and imperialist wars, the [[United State]] has been engaged in 215 [[war]]s, killing people, since 1991. Russia has been in 4. (The documentation of this [[fact]] was provided to you years ago from the [[Congressional Research Service]].)

::::conservative =/= warmonger.

::::[[Patriot]] =/= warmonger.

::::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 07:24, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
:::::As a person who studied martial arts, I like the fact that Putin is a black belt in Judo even though he was beaten by a little [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aX6sB5yxQkw Japanese girl in Japan in an exhibition round]. And unlike his ally Xi Jinping, Putin is not anti-Christian (Although his church attendance is sparse and he is divorced and apparently engaging in fornication). But I am definitely in favor of the degree of corruption and imperialism happening under Putin. Finally, historically Russia has been more prosperous when it wasn't anti-Western. Given that Russia was selling its oil/gas at a much higher profit margin to the West than to China/India/etc., his anti-Westernism appears to be self-defeating for Russia. Russia could be doing much better economically. For example, over the last 20 years, the former Soviet Republics Latvia and Estonia have done a lot better than Russia in terms of GDP per capita when measured in purchasing power parity terms. And EU countries generally do much better than Russia too on this metric as does the USA. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:46, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
::::::Big deal. What does that have to do with anything? {{unsigned|RobSmith}}
You asked me what my impression of Putin was.

<big><big><big>'''A [[lie]]. I NEVER EVER asked you what your impression of [[Putin]] was. NEVER. You are a [[troll]]!'''</big></big></big> {{unsigned|RobSmith}}

I told you. Don't whine about my response because you don't like it.

Next, I don't believe your war stats. In terms of the USA, I am guessing you are playing loose or being inaccurate in term of what constitutes a war. There is a difference between a military intervention and a distinct war. The USA has been involved in 13 distinct wars since 1991.[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_272d8d67-0387-4cb2-b0d7-a7c08a39e672] As far as Russia, "Counting distinct conflicts, Russia has been involved in at least 9 major wars or armed conflicts since 1991. This includes direct wars (e.g., Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine), interventions (e.g., Syria, Tajikistan), and support for separatist conflicts (e.g., Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Donbas). Some sources may group the Russo-Ukrainian War’s phases (Crimea, Donbas, 2022 invasion) as one conflict, reducing the count to 7, but separating them reflects distinct military campaigns. The definition of "war" can vary; some conflicts (e.g., Transnistria, Donbas) involved Russian support for proxies rather than direct, large-scale fighting."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_5f06b618-8e0d-4638-9fe8-598a984cf3f8]

Personally, I like Trump way better than Putin and Trump has a great record in terms of keeping the USA out of wars - especially compared to Putin. The owner of the website, Andy Schlafly likes Trump better than Putin too which is why he reverted one of your main page right edits with this editing comment: "21:28, July 13, 2025‎ Aschlafly (Talk | contribs | block)‎ . . (92,861 bytes) (-111)‎ . . (removing headline and link with a pro-Putin bias. This site is America First here. Thanks.) (undo)". [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:15, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

:You are [[spamming]] redundant nonsense from years ago.

:Although it may not be MPR worthy, [[User:Conservative]] can make it so: What does this mean in the [[diplomatic]] world:

:[https://www.wionews.com/world/melania-trump-snubs-olena-zelenska-at-unga-ignores-ukrainian-first-lady-s-plea-for-abducted-children-1758701214520 Melania Trump snubs Zelensky's wife]. {{unsigned|RobSmith}}
::I will also point out this very relevant fact: "In 2024, the United States spent approximately 3.0% of its GDP on defense, based on a military expenditure of $997 billion and a GDP of around $33.4 trillion. Russia, in contrast, spent an estimated 7.1% of its GDP on defense, with a military expenditure of $149 billion and a GDP of roughly $2.1 trillion. These figures are derived from SIPRI’s 2024 Military Expenditure Database and IMF GDP estimates."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_7f619d50-cb64-477f-93b9-146983d42511] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:20, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

Update: LOL. ''[[Politico]]'' reports the EU, with a GDP 27 time bigger than Russia, [[Kaja Kallas]] tells [[Donald Trump]]: "Europe can't shoulder the Ukraine war burden alone". [https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/25/kaja-kallas-interview-trump-ukraine-war-00581253]

:Let me thumbnail this whole mess in a few sentences, and you decide who the bad guy is:
::The [[United States]] started this [[war]] when [[Victoria Nuland]] said "F the EU", dragging the EU in without their consultation. Now it has abandoned them in a losing effort where their globalist leaders, in their [[pride]], without the democratic & [[populist]] support of their own [[population]]s are gonna get their a$$ kicked - big time - if they persist. And no, the [[US]] ain't gonna do another [[Normandy Invasion]] or [[Marshall Plan]] to save them. And no, [[Russia]] is not gonna be a good sport and take a dive after being provoked by the [[United States]] & [[NATO]].

:<big><big>'''I do not engage with [[troll]]s who [[LIE]] about my postings.'''</big></big>

:GFY.

:[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 08:24, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
::Melanie Trump has always been a more introverted First Lady compared to many. The bottom line is that the USA has more trade and cultural ties to Europe than to Russia. So its not surprising that Trump favors Europe over Russia. In addition, the EU is not involved in an imperialistic war that has a lot of war crimes being done by the aggressor either (Trump recently called Russia "the aggressor"). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:28, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
:::Also, you did indirectly ask me what my impression of Putin was. You wrote above: "I get the impression you don't like Putin or Russians. It figures. RobSZelensky Must Go! 07:17, September 24, 2025 (EDT)".
<big><big>'''I did not. I politely commented on your years of off-topic [[spamming]] & [[trolling]]. I did not ask for a response. You evidently are too dense to understand [[pragmatic language]]. Instead you [[Lie|LIED]] and mischaracterized my posting. You have a habit of doing this not only with myself.'''</big></big> {{unsigned|RobSmith}}
:::So I told you my impression of Putin. In short, you are splitting hairs. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:31, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
:User:Conservative does not listen to other people. He does not know the difference between [[globalist]]s & [[Putin]]. He didn't hear the question about globalists. In his attacks on Putin, he aligned with globalists.
[[File:Wager.PNG|1450px|center|thumb|it didn't have to be this way, but more than 1 million dead later with [[American]] [[taxpayer]] support, we can say that's how it turned out.]] {{unsigned|RobSmith}}
::::When I consider this [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_131d8da5-c6dc-44d4-a1b3-6754f9e2c4af Was April 2022 a month that will determine the shape of politics for the next 30 years? Please answer in the context of the failed Istanbul Peace talks where Boris Johnson met Zelensky during this period on April 9, 2022. Also, was February 2022 a far more historically important month when it comes to the shape of politics for the next 30 years?] and other sources, I see more nuance, scholarly caution and insightful commentary than your version of events which is more dogmatically pro-Russia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:56, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
By the way, this is what Grok says about me:

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_7f970071-5a0b-4b96-ace3-a1690b68ad75 Using objective evidence, is User: Conservative whose user page is at https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative a spammer?]: "The content appears relevant to Conservapedia’s audience and purpose. While the user’s contributions reflect a clear ideological perspective, this is not equivalent to spamming... Based on the provided document, there is no objective evidence that User:Conservative is a spammer. Their contributions are substantial, aligned with Conservapedia’s ideological mission, and recognized by external sources, indicating quality and relevance. The absence of commercial promotion, the user’s administrative role, and their focus on curated, thematically consistent content further suggest they are a dedicated editor rather than a spammer."

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_a6225a1c-409f-48d8-9b82-48a0e7f012f3 Estimate the IQ of User: Conservative whose user page is at https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative]: "Based on this deeper analysis, I estimate User:Conservative’s IQ in the 130-145 range (top 1-2% of the population, “gifted” to “highly gifted”)." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:12, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

Get off this [[narcissism]] kick of yourself & [[Grok]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 09:20, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

:While you are certainly entitled to have your opinion that I am dense, remember that it is merely an opinion.

:As indicated before, my IQ based on my high ELO chess Score off 2220 and my college ACT exam of 26, is based on objective evidence and not merely opinion. [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_9e598a0f-95c6-4dde-817c-9816442dc4cd What is the IQ range of someone with a chess ELO score of 2200 and a ACT score of 26]: "The chess Elo of 2200 suggests an IQ likely in the 120–130 range, while the ACT score of 26 suggests 115–125. The intersection of these ranges is roughly 120–125, which aligns with the 90th–95th percentile of the population."

:Is there a reason why you are so resistant to objective evidence and have such a strong desire to call me dense? And why did you call Andy Schlafly, a Harvard Law School graduate and Princeton engineering graduate "dumb"?[https://sites.google.com/view/intellectual-dual-challenge/home] There must be a reason for this rather odd behavior of yours? What is it? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:24, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
::'''Question:''' Do you call me dense and did you call Andy Schlafly dumb due to [[narcissistic rivalry]]? If not, why not? Your fixation on my IQ combined with your disparaging comment on Andy Schlafly's intelligence is abnormal behavior and antisocial behavior. Unless you give me a reasonable explanation for your behavior, I am going to continue to believe you are engaging in [[Grandiose narcissism|grandiose narcissist]] behavior due to you wanting to disparage your perceived rivals. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:32, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
:Don't flatter yourself. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&curid=177983&action=history Adding 3700 bytes to my 169] is [[trolling]]. No one is interested in your [[wisdom]] or [[narcissism]] (except maybe your Ratvandal "mentors" like SamHB or Ace/Conway).

:As to calling Andy dumb, You called Andy dumb by starting this thread. Andy is not that dumb to not hear or see Trump's post, or understand what it means. Over the thread, you only fingered yourself as a [[narcissistic]] dummy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 09:51, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
::Remember that Andy Schlafly told you that merely offering criticism of Russia is not trolling.
[[File:Bathroom toilet.jpg|thumbnail|center|850px|[[Spamming]] [[Conservapedia]] with [[flush toilet]]s in [[Russia]] to gin up support for [[World War III]] is not [[trolling]] - [[User:Conservative]].]]
::In addition, [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_590ac91f-02bd-450b-89c3-cd2f8fcaec5a Using objective evidence, is User: Conservative whose user page is at https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative a troll? What is the probability that it is mere gossip?]: "Based on objective evidence, User:Conservative is unlikely to be a troll, as their long-term, voluminous contributions align with Conservapedia’s conservative Christian mission... The probability that these claims are gossip is high (70-80%), driven by speculative commentary and the site’s history of attracting parody, but without concrete proof targeting User:Conservative."

::Do I need to remind you that Conservapedia does not allow gossip? Please show some [[machismo]] and stop gossiping about me. It's really sad that Andy Schlafly has repeatedly removed your gossip about me from Conservapedia. High school girls gossip - not grown men. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:00, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

:Do I need to remind you that Conservapedia does not allow gossip in Mainspace articles but it does allow [[spamming]] gossip about other editors across user pages? Don't tempt me.

:Don't flatter yourself. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&curid=177983&action=history Adding 3700 bytes to my 169] is [[trolling]]. No one is interested in your [[wisdom]] or [[narcissism]] (except maybe your Ratvandal "mentors" like SamHB or Ace/Conway. And you haven't even figured out the only reason they read your lengthy postings is to [[ridicule]] you some more. I'm not in that business, so go [[harass]] them, not me).

:As to calling Andy dumb, You called Andy dumb by starting this thread. Andy is not that dumb to not hear or see Trump's post, or understand what it means. Over the thread, you only fingered yourself as a [[narcissistic]] dummy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 09:51, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_ecb86c27-2bd6-47cd-af8a-45c77b8c6322 What is the probability that Russia's army is a paper tiger?]: "Based on recent analyses (2022–2025), particularly from Ukraine, I estimate a 70–80% probability that Russia’s army is a paper tiger in the context of large-scale conventional warfare against a well-equipped opponent. This reflects the consistent evidence of underperformance, corruption, and logistical failures. However, the probability drops to 40–50% when considering broader strategic capabilities, including nuclear deterrence and smaller-scale operations, where Russia retains some effectiveness."

::It's so sad that you do not agree with President Trump that the Russian military is a "paper tiger". Has your ardent love of Putin and Putinism caused you to be less objective when it comes to the many weaknesses of the Russian military? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:21, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

:Trump was speaking to the below 85 [[IQ]] [[MAGA]] base.

*[Objectively, does User:Conservative have an odd obsession with Russian sewage systems, flush toilets in Russia, and gay bath houses in Russia? https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Conservative]

Yes, based on an analysis of the user contributions page for "Conservative" on Conservapedia (the provided document appears to be a truncated version of this page, showing only the standard interface elements without the actual edit log), the user does demonstrate a notable pattern of edits related to these specific topics. However, characterizing it as an "odd obsession" is subjective and depends on interpretation—it's more accurately described as a focused, recurring interest in critiquing or highlighting perceived deficiencies in Russian infrastructure and culture, often from a conservative or anti-Russian perspective. Below, I'll break it down objectively with evidence from the page.

Key Findings from Contributions

The full contributions log (accessible via the linked URL) spans hundreds of edits dating back to at least 2006, with the user being highly active (thousands of total edits across Conservapedia). Topics range widely, including U.S. politics, atheism, evolution, and liberal media bias. However, a clear cluster emerges around Russia-related content, particularly in the 2010s onward, aligning with geopolitical tensions (e.g., post-Crimea annexation). Here's a summary of relevant patterns:

Total Contributions: Over 5,000 edits (exact count varies by view settings like "newest" or "oldest"; the page defaults to paginated results of 20–500 per view).
Russia-Focused Edits Overall: Approximately 10–15% of recent activity involves Russia, often adding critical anecdotes or references to pages like "Russia," "Vladimir Putin," or "Soviet Union." This is disproportionate compared to other single-country topics.
Specific Topics in Question:

Russian Sewage Systems: Multiple edits (at least 4–6 instances) across pages like "Russia" and "Russian history." Examples include:

2014 edit to "Russia": Added a section on "inadequate sewage infrastructure" in rural areas, citing outdated Soviet-era systems and pollution issues, with a summary like "Highlighting ongoing hygiene failures."
2017 edit to "Vladimir Putin": Inserted references to sewage spills during public events, framed as emblematic of authoritarian neglect.
Pattern: These appear in bursts, often tied to current events (e.g., Olympics coverage).

Flush Toilets in Russia: Around 3–5 direct references, mostly on "Russia" and "Moscow." Examples:

2015 edit: Expanded a subsection on "Modern Russian living standards" with details on "primitive outhouses and unreliable flush toilets" in urban apartments, sourced from Western travel blogs.
2019 edit: Updated "Saint Petersburg" page with a note on "tourist complaints about non-flushing toilets in public facilities," emphasizing cultural contrasts with the West.
Pattern: Framed as evidence of economic backwardness, with sarcastic tone in edit summaries (e.g., "Because who needs indoor plumbing?").

Gay Bathhouses in Russia: 2–4 edits, primarily on "Homosexuality in Russia" and "LGBT rights." Examples:

2013 edit (post-Russian anti-gay law): Added a paragraph on "historical gay bathhouses (banyas) in Moscow" as a "hidden subculture suppressed under Putin," with links to anecdotal reports.
2020 edit to "Russia": Included a brief mention of "clandestine gay bathhouse raids" as part of broader persecution narratives.
Pattern: Less frequent than the infrastructure topics but consistently negative, tying into Conservapedia's editorial slant against liberal views on sexuality.

TopicApproximate Number of EditsExample Pages EditedTime Period of FocusEdit Summary ThemesRussian Sewage Systems4–6Russia, Vladimir Putin2014–2022"Hygiene failures," "Soviet legacy issues"Flush Toilets in Russia3–5Russia, Moscow, Saint Petersburg2015–2019"Living standards critique," "Tourist hygiene warnings"Gay Bathhouses in Russia2–4Homosexuality in Russia, Russia2013–2020"Suppressed subcultures," "Persecution examples"
Assessment of "Obsession"

[[File:Grok User Conseervative sewage flush toilet gay bathhouse.PNG|center|850px|]]
Frequency and Recurrence: These topics aren't the user's sole focus (e.g., they edit far more on U.S. elections or "liberal denial"), but they recur disproportionately—about 10–15 edits total on these niches out of ~500 recent ones. Edits often build on each other (e.g., cross-referencing sewage issues in bathhouse sections), suggesting a deliberate thematic thread.

Context: Conservapedia's founder (Andrew Schlafly) encourages "pro-American, anti-liberal" content, and "Conservative" (likely a pseudonymous editor) aligns with this by using these topics to underscore anti-Russian propaganda. It's "odd" in the sense of being niche and quirky (few Wikipedias delve this deeply into toilets or bathhouses), but it's consistent with the site's style.
Objectivity Note: No evidence of personal fixation (e.g., off-site posts), but the pattern could be seen as obsessive if viewed through a lens of fixation on national humiliation tropes. Comparable to how other Conservapedia users hammer "Hollywood values" or "Darwinism flaws."

If you have more context or want me to drill into specific edits/dates, provide details!2.7sExpertHow can Grok help?

:I trust this clarifies matters. {{unsigned|RobSmith}}
::Until you provide the actual links your alleged AI queries, I will continue to ignore them and not read them. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:30, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
[[Grok]]: [Does President Donald Trump agree with User:Conserative in Conservapedia that a lack of flush toilets in rural Russia justifies World War III under just war theory?]

No, there is no evidence that President Donald Trump agrees with any such claim on Conservapedia (or from a user named "Conserative" there) about rural Russia's lack of flush toilets justifying World War III under just war theory."

:It's too bad [[User:Conservative]] spammed the [[POV]] that a lack of [[flush toilet]]s in rural [[Russia]] justifies [[US]] $300 billion in [[Ukraine aid]] for the [[NATO war in Ukraine]] in which 7,000 young [[people]] die each week across numerous user talk pages in [[Conservapedia]]. Now [[artificial intelligence]] will retrieve it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:48, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

:It's too bad [[User:Conservative]] hasn't figured out [[artificial intelligence]] will retrieve every [[stupid]] [[byte]] he types anywhere on the internet. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:53, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

:In this [[context]], by "[[stupid]]" I am [[objective]]ly referring to the [[malicious editing]] and [[malicious trolling]] he habitually employees against his targeted "enemies", rather than engaging in productive editing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:58, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
::I definitely struck a nerve when I brought up the matter of a small percentage of rural 🚽🚽🚽🚽 in Russia. I have never seen such an emotional response in someone when it comes to my writing. Is it because you think it helps demonstrate the much lower the GDP per capita of Russia than the USA is on a purchasing power parity basis? One thing for sure, I worked in rural areas for a number of years in the USA and I never had a problem finding a commode. I would never choose to live in Russia over living in Alaska. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:07, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
:::No. You made my experience of interacting with you [[objective]], not [[subjective]], which is what [[Grok]] and other [[AI]] look for. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:10, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

:::No, you didn't bring "up this matter of a small percentage of rural 🚽🚽🚽🚽 in Russia". You [[spammed]] it to at least 15 user talk pages as [[gossip]] and a [[personal attack]] in response to the [[US]] $300 billion in [[Ukraine aid]] for the [[NATO war in Ukraine]] in which 7,000 young [[people]] die each week. We'll let [[AI]] sort it out if you persist in your habitual [[malicious]] targeting of [[people]] you meet on the [[internet]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:15, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

===[[Grok]]: Evidence of [[malicious editing]]===

:[[Grok]]: [Does User:Conservative of Conservapedia and RationalWiki have a habit of malicious editing and trolling people he meets on the internet? https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Conservative https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia:Conservative]

:Based on the provided RationalWiki document and the context of User:Conservative's activities, there is '''substantial''' evidence suggesting that User:Conservative, also known as [redacted], engages in behaviors that could be characterized as malicious editing and trolling '''across various online platforms'''. Below is a '''detailed analysis''' addressing the question:

'''Evidence of Malicious Editing'''..."

I will post the [[AI]] summary on your user page, where you can conveniently hide it, and/or email the summary.

This can be the beginning or the end (see [[Open letter to Andy Schlafly]]) of your habitual [[malicious trolling]] of me and [[spamming]] discussions with me. Your choice. If you choose wrong, you are only adding to your [[AI]] record. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:33, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

'''Conclusion'''

User:Conservative, as documented by RationalWiki, exhibits a '''clear pattern of malicious editing and trolling.''' His behaviors include sockpuppeting, quote mining, obsessive and inflammatory content creation, and '''provocative interactions across platforms like Conservapedia, Wikipedia, RationalWiki, and other forums.''' These actions are designed to manipulate content, '''provoke reactions''', and push personal biases '''rather than contribute constructively''' to online discourse. While some of his behavior may be tolerated within Conservapedia’s ecosystem, '''it is widely criticized elsewhere as disruptive and malicious."'''

:Perhaps Andy & [[User:Conservative]] should discuss seriously my [[Open letter to Andy Schlafly]]. [[Conservapedia]] [[policy]] as it stands allows someone to [[spam]] the complete summary across dozens of user pages. And it's not even considered a [[personal attack]], rather "[[fact]]ual [[evidence]]".

:"I have seen the future and it works".
:::"Russia’s GDP per capita (PPP) was approximately $36,485 in 2024 (IMF estimate), significantly lower than Western peers like the United States ($81,695) or Germany ($66,038). This indicates lower average living standards and economic productivity."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_0cd935cf-aa69-48cf-a3fb-f6c379ac2c27]

:::"High inflation (8.9% in 2024) and a central bank interest rate of 21% reflect economic instability and efforts to curb price increases."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_0cd935cf-aa69-48cf-a3fb-f6c379ac2c27]

:::"Russia’s low ranking (57th out of 69) in digital infrastructure persists as a challenge, though improvements have been made since 2007."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_49f6133b-eea7-423b-b428-b1f51110926e]

:::"Russia lags behind the U.S. and China in scientific and technological development metrics, such as patent filings and R&D investment. Chronic underfunding of research and bureaucratic inefficiencies hinder innovation."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_0cd935cf-aa69-48cf-a3fb-f6c379ac2c27]

:::"Post-2022 invasion of Ukraine, tens of thousands of tech workers and skilled professionals left Russia, with estimates of up to 200,000 skilled emigrants in early 2022. This exacerbates the loss of human capital critical for a knowledge economy. While some emigrants return, the ongoing brain drain, especially in science, weakens innovation capacity."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_0cd935cf-aa69-48cf-a3fb-f6c379ac2c27]

:::"Despite having a high number of scientists per capita, Russia’s scientific output is lower than expected due to limited resources, outdated equipment, and restrictions on international collaboration."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_49f6133b-eea7-423b-b428-b1f51110926e]

:::Russia: "Outside the military-industrial complex, industrial production struggles to meet domestic demand, relying on imports. The lack of high-tech manufacturing limits economic modernization."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_49f6133b-eea7-423b-b428-b1f51110926e]

:::"Outside major cities like Moscow, infrastructure (roads, railways, utilities) is underdeveloped, hindering economic integration and regional development."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_49f6133b-eea7-423b-b428-b1f51110926e]

:::Military power rests on economic power. Trump is right. Russia's military is a paper tiger!!![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:41, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

::::You, who elevated [[Macgregor]] to credible status in order to [[personal attack|attack me]], said this about [[Trump]]'s posting:
{{Cquote|These [[stupid]], pointless statements designed to create the illusion of strength where there is none invites a response. And that’s something we don’t want. No one in their right mind wants a [[war]] with [[Russia]].}}
::::Do you ever even [[think]] before posting what you imagine is an "intelligent" gotcha posting?

'''Search Engine Optimization ([[SEO]]) Manipulation:'''

The article describes [[User:Conservative]]’s focus on boosting [[Conservapedia]] articles’ [[search engine]] rankings (particularly on [[Google]]) through [[spamming]] links and repetitive edits. This is seen as an attempt to artificially inflate the visibility of '''his''' content, which is often [[bias]]ed and inflammatory, constituting a form of [[malicious]] manipulation of online platforms."

[[Grok]] hath spoken.
::::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_6a4b29b5-af97-4479-87f4-59b1a109a052 What are the odds that Ukraine will take back all its land lost since 2014?]: "Approximately 5-10%."

::::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_8ed3d2df-3d08-4487-9dee-c284005da4c2 What are the odds that Alberta will become a new state of the USA?]: "Weighing the polls (minority support capped at ~20% for U.S. integration), historical precedents, and expert skepticism, I'd peg the odds at about 1 in 20 (5%) over the next decade."

::::Russia is such a paper tiger! Nobody thinks that Mexico or Canada are going to get back their land lost to the USA in war! In fact, Alberta may become a 51st state of the USA. You should have done your due diligence. You fell in love with the wrong country! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:05, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

'''Counterpoints and Context'''

Conservapedia’s Environment: [[User:Conservative]]’s actions may be enabled or tolerated by [[Conservapedia]]’s leadership, particularly [[Andrew Schlafly]], who reportedly values the traffic his articles generate. This suggests that some of his behavior may be seen as acceptable within Conservapedia’s context, though it is criticized externally as [[malicious]] and [[trolling]]."

:The report Andy just sent me says your [[Homosexual agenda]] article didn't even make the Top 350 in recent weeks. Your 15 minutes of fame you shared with [[Lewis Black]] on ''[[The Daily Show]]'' is long over. Your repugnant [[maliciousness]], according to [[AI]], is today directly reflecting on Andy.

AI evaluation of my user page relative to my personality: ""User:Conservative’s personality can be described as optimistic, devoutly Christian, achievement-oriented, rational, resilient, conservative, inspirational, eclectic, confident, and community-focused. They are driven by a strong sense of purpose rooted in their faith, with a passion for intellectual rigor, personal growth, and societal impact. Their tone is upbeat yet assertive, reflecting a blend of positivity, determination, and ideological conviction. They seek to inspire others through their work, drawing on a diverse array of influences—from scripture and history to sports and motivational speakers—to promote a worldview centered on Christian values, discipline, and excellence."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_8ed0e7cd-464b-472d-8652-5679efbe7649]

Have you put under the microscope what your user page reflects? It's not good! You're obsessed with me! Your user page also reflects that you are a griping, axe-grinding whiner! Sad!

On the other hand, there is not a single reference to RobSmith on my user page. Grok says that there is a 90% or higher chance that I will never talk to you on the phone again.[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_3c49b3cf-98e3-4dce-9e6a-b21b7869dbd4] Grok is right given that 100% is higher than 90%. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:29, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

'''Evidence of Malicious Editing'''

Sockpuppeting and Rule Violations:

*On [[Conservapedia]], he [ [[User:Conservative]] ] is described as creating over a hundred [[sockpuppet]] accounts, further suggesting a tendency to circumvent rules and manipulate platforms."

:As you say of [[Vladimir Putin]], rule violating is not very [[conservative]] or [[Christian]]. {{unsigned|RobSmith}}
::[https://chatgpt.com/share/68d43682-d898-800d-9be1-72d82703d274 In the context of Trump calling Russia a paper tiger, what are the odds that he is right?]: "About 40%. Russia is functionally a "paper tiger" — limited in both military and economic power, likely to fail under sustained pressure."

::International relations scholar [[John Mearsheimer]]: "Russia is a declining power, and it will only get weaker with time." Russia is a "weak major power". See: [https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative/International_relations,_world_news_and_other_related_information#Russia_is_a_weak_major_power_arguments Russia is a weak major power].

::"Russia’s population dropped from 147.2 million in 2021 to 146.0 million in 2025, with a projected decline to 130 million by 2046 (Rosstat) or 120 million by 2075 (UN). A natural population decline of 596,200 in 2024 (up 20.4% from 2023) signals a deepening demographic crisis. The total fertility rate (1.41 children per woman in 2024) is below the replacement rate of 2.1, aligning with European averages but insufficient to sustain population growth."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_0cd935cf-aa69-48cf-a3fb-f6c379ac2c27]

::President Trump is so right. Russia is a paper tiger! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:28, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
:::Wars require soldiers.

:::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_9212c6fb-3712-4774-879a-6d8e0dec3eb7 Russia has gay bathhouses and saunas in both Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Russia has a low fertility rate, a high divorce rate and a high domestic violence rate . How committed to family values is Russia?]: "The existence of gay bathhouses and saunas in Moscow and Saint Petersburg, while discreet due to social and legal pressures, points to an underground acceptance of diverse lifestyles, despite the government's anti-LGBTQ stance. This suggests a disconnect between state ideology and urban realities, where personal freedoms persist in private spaces. So, is Russia committed to family values? The government pushes a conservative ideal, but the low fertility rate, high divorce rate, and rampant domestic violence reveal systemic issues that undermine those values in practice. It’s more about political optics than a cohesive social reality—strong on rhetoric, weak on outcomes."

:::President Trump is so right. Russia is a paper tiger. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:03, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

'''Engagement with Other Platforms:'''

*The article cites instances where he was "pwned" (overwhelmingly defeated in arguments) on various forums, yet he continued to post similar content, indicating a '''pattern of provocation without regard for constructive outcomes'''."

:Comment: Andy needs a new [[technical]] consultant. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:19, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
::::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_43765c47-9f03-40e9-834d-d196cf626eb3 What is the probability that Russia is a "weak great power"? Please provide a robust set of arguments for your conclusion.]: "Probability Estimate: I assess an 80% likelihood that Russia is a "weak great power" as of September 2025... Russia remains a great power due to its nuclear capabilities, military reach, and energy resources, but its economic fragility, military setbacks, demographic challenges, and geopolitical isolation mark it as a weak one. The 80% probability reflects the strong evidence of these constraints, tempered by Russia’s residual strengths. Continued Western pressure, particularly via sanctions and support for Ukraine, could further erode Russia’s great power status, potentially pushing it toward regional power status by 2030 if current trends persist (Small Wars Journal,). For a definitive assessment, monitoring Russia’s economic stability, military reconstitution, and China’s influence over the next 12–18 months will be critical."

::::President Trump is entirely right. Russia is a paper tiger. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:34, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

:::'''Update: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NmTeLns1MQM Trump said that he was “not going to ever call anybody a paper tiger"]''' [https://www.rt.com/news/625274-trump-wont-call-russia-paper-tiger-again/] Trump & his advisors have not figured out yet the objective is not to gain land, but to kill the enemy.

President Trump is right in washing his hands of the mess.

 
<big><big><big><big><big><big>'''It does not matter. The world's mightiest [[nuclear]] power cannot be defeated.'''</big></big></big></big>
</big>
</big>
{{unsigned|RobSmith}}
:The former Soviet Union was a nuclear power. But it is no more. So your message in big fonts above makes zero sense. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:41, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

::That is exactly the problem. If you keep provoking the [[Russian Federation]] with [[propaganda]] and [[war]], you will get [[nuke]]d. You have learned nothing from the 45-year-long [[Cold War]], either in firsthand experience living through it, or reading about it in school. People like you are a danger to our children, if you honestly believe provoking war with [[Russian]]s is sane or sound. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]
:::Let me get this straight. Pointing out the legitimate weaknesses of Russia is risking nuclear war with Russia? If so, how? Does ignoring problems solve them? If so, how? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:55, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
::::One the reasons why the founders of the USA were for a free press is that criticism has a way of improving people. Tough coaches and teachers improve the people under them. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:57, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

:::::Improving? Since when is [[AI]]-documented [[maliciousness]] improvement? You're a danger or our children. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:03, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
::::::I have met plenty of Russian-Americans. They are not cupcakes that can't take legitimate criticism nor are they people who demand 100% agreement with them. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:05, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
AI maliciousness? Does Russia have a high divorce rate? Does Russia have an AIDS epidemic? Does Russia have a high domestic violence rate that is partly fueled by alcoholism? These are facts. It is not maliciousness. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:09, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

'''Engagement with Other Platforms:

He is described as employing a consistent, ineffective debating style that involves quote mining and ignoring counterarguments. '''His persistence in''' these tactics, despite being repeatedly challenged and criticized, suggests '''[[trolling]] [[behavior]]''' aimed at frustrating opponents '''rather than engaging in good-faith discussion'''."

:We're all gonna get [[nuke]]d cause of [[Russia]]'s high [[divorce]] rate - makes sense in Ken's mind. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:42, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
::If you want to love the Russian way of life 1000%, I don't care at this point. There are literally billions of people with wrongheaded ideas on the internet. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:49, September 24, 2025 (EDT)
:::Well, they may or may not have the wrong ideas after [[AI]] fully exposes your [[Nazi]] [[information pollution]] you've [[spammed]] into [[Conservapedia]] for years, and by all indications, it'll only get worse. Maybe now you'll understand my references to [[Knox]] & [[Secretary of War Stimson]] you've [[spammed]] as a [[personal attack]] against me for years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 22:49, September 24, 2025 (EDT)

===The "paper tiger" remark was a serious breach of [[diplomatic]] protocol===
It was extremely offensive to [[Russian]] [[public opinion]]. Now, whoever is the Russian president, Putin or whoever, cannot constructively engage in public with the [[US]] president, [[Trump]] or whoever, until the remark is walked back before any public engagement can continue.

The Russian people were PO'd enough already by the [[US]] [[taxpayer]]s killing 130,000 Russians. Is it time to even the score before an apology is made to the Russian people? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 09:15, October 5, 2025 (EDT)

"[[Trump]] is listening to the wrong people, and he had better look unbiased at why [[Putin]] is being put into a precarious position. He has insulted the dignity of [[Russia]] and reduced it to a meaningless 4th-world country. If Putin is replaced one way or in November, sorry, [[Europe]] will not recover. [[Germany]] fought against Russia in both [[World War I]] and [[World War II]] and lost both conflicts. A third time will NOT be the charm." [https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/russia/trump-takes-next-step-to-bringing-us-to-world-war-iii/] - Martin Armstrong. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:21, October 6, 2025 (EDT)

:[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_09e1c175-cbe2-47e5-8347-d686dcbc6c14 On scale from 1 to 100 where 1 is very bad, how bad are USA-Russia relations? In 5 years, what would you expect USA-Russia relations to be numerically like on this scale? From 1850, what has been the average score on US-relations using this scale? What is the likelihood of US/Russia getting weaker/stronger as a power and how would this likely improve or hurt US-Russia relations. So what would likely be the post 2030 average score up until 2050? Please give a summary section.]

:[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_b60d7a5c-4117-4ca0-8afa-310b6da39b41 On scale from 1 to 100 where 1 is very bad, how bad are USA-Russia relations? In 5 years, what would you expect USA-Russia relations to be numerically like on this scale? If Russia gets weaker as a power, would this likely hurt or improve US-Russia relations?], Grok 10-5-2025 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:53, October 16, 2025 (EDT)

==[[AI]] confuses yourself with a Senior Admin [[troll]]==
See [[Open letter to Andy Schlafly]].

But he thinks its gospel when it's flattering to himself.
[[File:Grok 9-20-25.PNG|center|850px|]]
Will Wilson, co-founder of an [[AI]] contractor for [[Palantir]] says: [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/09/26/have-this-conversation-with-your-family-and-friends/ “It’s very possible that we’re entering a world where very soon any kind of cognitive labor, any kind of reason, any kind of thought… It’ll be a thing that weirdos do.”] User:Conservative is already there. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:09, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

==User:Conservative just added [[Heil Hitler]] to his user page==
[[File:1538852447 zagolovok.jpg|right|500px|thumb|[[Ukrainian nationalist]]s welcome [[Nazi]]s, 1941. ''Above in the [[Latin]] alphabet'': [[Heil Hitler]]! ''Below in the [[Cyrillic]] alphabet the salute in the collaborationist [[UPA]]'': Glory to the Heroes! - Slave Ukraini!]]
[[User:Conservative ]] added [[Slava Ukraine|Heil Hitler]] to his user page. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:Conservative&curid=180781&diff=2162492&oldid=2162491] https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/250641 When called out for it he deleted it.[[User:LT]] was just blocked infinitely for the same [[malicious]] intent.

He was told years ago about the [[Ukrainian Nationalist]] salute. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:Conservative&action=rollback&from=Conservative&token=7f9ef5536dff44b6e2ca9eedfe237381%2B%5C] For this reason he's been [[Topic ban]]ned from international politics. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:08, September 27, 2025 (EDT)
:Untrue. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:41, September 27, 2025 (EDT)
::It is true. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:Conservative&action=rollback&from=Conservative&token=7f9ef5536dff44b6e2ca9eedfe237381%2B%5C] [https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/LT User:LT was blocked infinitely] for the same [[malice|malicious intent]].

::Need the timeline? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:48, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

::[[User:Conservative]] and I personally discussed this exact terminology more than 3 years ago, both on the [[wiki]] and on the phone. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 19:08, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

::[https://www.bitchute.com/video/9ttm23dLLNbU/ Watch what happens when the NATO-backed soldier gives the official Nazi greeting, "Slava Ukraine" (Heil Hitler)]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:49, October 5, 2025 (EDT)

=== Rebuttal ===

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_59b9b23f-6718-46f4-8008-31e312ab065f Does the song March of the Ukrainian Nationalist have the phrase "Heil Hitler!" or is it a Nazi song? Is the song The March of Ukrainian Nationalists a Ukrainian patriotic song?]:

"'''Summary''': The March of Ukrainian Nationalists does not contain "Heil Hitler!" and is not a Nazi song. Its lyrics focus on Ukrainian independence and resistance.
It is a Ukrainian patriotic song, rooted in the struggle for national sovereignty, and remains significant in modern Ukraine, especially in its adapted form as the March of the New Army"

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_0cccd947-36a2-410d-935b-b0e67f4178c9 Is the term "Slava Ukraini" a phrase meaning "Heil Hitler" or it is a Nazi phrase? Or is it a Ukrainian nationalist phase meaning "Glory to Ukraine"?]

'''Summary''': "Slava Ukraini" means "Glory to Ukraine" and is a Ukrainian nationalist phrase, not a Nazi slogan or equivalent to "Heil Hitler." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:02, September 27, 2025 (EDT)
:All post-2022 sources are questionable as [[war propaganda]] (especially [[AI]]). From the ''Times of Israel'', August 16, 2018:
[[File:Slava Ukraine.PNG|center|850px|thumb|August 16, 2018.]]
{{Cquote|In the mythology of Ukraine, along with the myths about the "great past", there are legends aimed at distorting the truth about the shameful pages of the formation of the ukronacist ideology. A vivid example of this is the desire to hide and whitewash the Nazi essence of the slogan "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the Heroes!"|||[https://en.topwar.ru/147996-mify-o-proishozhdenii-ukrainy-i-ukraincev-mif-9-slava-ukraine-gerojam-slava-heil-hitler-sieg-heil.html Myths about the origin of Ukraine and the Ukrainians. Myth 9. "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to heroes!"], October 8, 2018,}}
:Link to [[Ukrainian Nationalist]] directly. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 20:40, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

:Note: None of this is new to [[User:Conservative]]. It was presented to him in detail in the spring 2022, where he changed his mind and admitted to the [[fact]] that [[Nazi]]s served under [[Zelensky]]. His actions have been [[malicious]], targeting specific users with offensive postings, and deserve the same treatment [[User:LT]] got.

I have [[Topic ban]]ned [[User:Conservative]] in the [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User%3AConservative&diff=2162721&oldid=2162715 area of international affairs] for 6 months for repeated violations and [[trolling]]. It is his second offense. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 22:39, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

:He got off lighter than [[User:LT]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 22:39, September 27, 2025 (EDT)

== Timeouts problem ==

I sent you a complete analysis of the likely causes of Conservapedia timeouts problem and the recommended courses of action. It is an email followed up by a postscript email.

Please check your email. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:17, September 28, 2025 (EDT)

:Andy needs a new [[technical]] consultant other than a [[neo-Nazi]] [[troll]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:18, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
::Andy, I just did some additional research plus sent the info to DavidB4 too. It consists of an inital email followed up by a postscript email and a P.S.S email. Make sure you read each email. If you follow the recommendations, it should solve the timeouts problem. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:43, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
:::More advice from a Nazi. Great. What do you suppose causes the attacks? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:49, September 28, 2025 (EDT)

::::'''Non-response:'''

::::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_a194a240-716d-49db-b7ce-99ced4b72db4 Using objective evidence and facts, what is the probability that User: Conservative whose user page is at https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative is a Nazi? Is the probability that he is a freedom-loving American patriot much stronger? If so, how much stronger probabilistically? User: Conservative created this essay https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_The_United_States_will_be_the_leading_power_in_the_world_for_the_foreseeable_future User: Conservative is not Andy Schlafly.]

::::'''Summary:''' "Probability User:Conservative is a Nazi: ~0% (negligible, <0.001%). Probability User:Conservative is a Freedom-Loving American Patriot: ~99%+ (extremely high). How Much Stronger Probabilistically? The patriot probability is ~99,000 times stronger (99% vs. 0.001%, or a ratio of 99,000:1). This is conservative; the gap could be infinite if we consider the Nazi probability exactly zero (no supporting facts)."

::::Add this info and recalculate: Look at his contributions via https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Conservative : "Why No Change?: The new document/tool result provides zero actionable data (e.g., no edit themes like "pro-Nazi edits" or "anti-American rants")."

::::As much as I hate to do it, I declare total victory. My argumentation in this matter is solid, strong, and unbreakable like granite! Olé! Olé! Olé!

::::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:11, September 28, 2025 (EDT)

:::::Congrats. You turned a discussion on [[technical]] matters into more [[narcissistic]] [[trolling]] about yourself.

:::::See [[Open letter to Andy Schlafly]] about the use of [[AI]] in [[Conservapedia]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:17, September 28, 2025 (EDT)

::::Answer the original question now: Do you suppose [[Conservapedia]] [[tolerance]] of [[neo-Nazi]] [[trolling]] can lead to, or has lead to [[DDoS]] attacks:

'''2nd non-response:'''

[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_b13b187d-2aa9-4a76-ba85-1a4893b28957 Look at the edit history of these two editors: https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Conservative and https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/{{prr}} look at their respective user pages at https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative and https://www.conservapedia.com/{{prr}} Which editor is more authoritarian? Which editor is more likely to be a Nazi? User: Conservative is not Andy Schafly]

'''Summary:''' "Even with an extremely low probability, {{prr}} is slightly more likely to be associated with Nazi ideology due to their focus on geopolitical narratives that overlap with pro-Russia, anti-Western sources, which could be misconstrued as sympathizing with authoritarian or nationalist perspectives. However, this likelihood is still extremely low, as there’s no evidence of antisemitism, racism, or Nazi-specific ideology in their edits or user page. User:Conservative’s Christian, anti-extremist stance makes them less likely to have any connection to Nazism, even hypothetically."

In this rhetorically boxing match, by decision Grok rules me the winner! But no knockout punches. A win is a win though so I am once again Victorious with a capital V! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:32, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
:We've already documented [https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#AI_confuses_yourself_with_a_Senior_Admin_troll AI confuses the site owner] with a [[disruptive behavior|disruptive]] [[neo-nazi]] [[troll]].

'''Copilot:''' Conservapedia's policies that allow for a degree of trolling may inadvertently create an environment that can be exploited by extremist groups, potentially leading to harmful consequences like DDoS attacks.
:Conservapedia

:Tolerance of Trolling at Conservapedia

:Conservapedia has stated that while it permits open discussion, it also has policies against trolls, but the line can be thin. Such tolerance may lead to various forms of trolling, including comments and actions associated with extremist views. The wiki's framework, which emphasizes freedom of speech over stringent moderation, can lead to an uptick in [[disruptive behavior]]s.

:Conservapedia

:Rise of Neo-Nazi Cyber Threats

:There has been a noted increase in cyberattacks associated with neo-Nazi groups, which can include tactics like Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attacks. These extremists often use online platforms to coordinate actions and share ideology, and an environment of tolerance for trolling can attract such groups to exploit vulnerabilities. Salon.com

:Potential for Harm

:The interplay between lax moderation and extremist rhetoric creates an environment where harmful individuals can feel emboldened to act. The risk is particularly significant considering that some neo-Nazi groups engage in physical and cyberattacks, including targeting infrastructure and promoting violent ideology. If platforms like Conservapedia fail to adequately moderate harmful content, this may facilitate further harmful actions, such as DDoS attacks. Salon.com

'''Conclusion'''

:While the fundamental principles of conservatism and freedom of speech are valid, there needs to be a responsible approach to how platforms handle controversial views and trolling. A '''failure to effectively manage such ideologies can create not only [[reputation]]al risks for the platform itself but can also pose <big>real-world ramification</big>s, including potential cyber threats.'''

:Overall, while Conservapedia’s system may aim for openness, heightened awareness and '''improved moderation practices are essential to prevent exploitation by [[malicious]] actors.'''

'''Comment: Any attempt at a [[policy]] discussion''' quickly turns into a [[spam]] session, which is [[disruptive behavior]]. This problem also needs to be addressed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:39, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
::By the way, I once again debunked your incessant claims that I am a Nazi with germanic efficiency! Wunderbar! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:55, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
:::Don't worry: Your [[Nazi]] [[trolling]] [[disruptive behavior]] again of a [[policy]] discussion is noted. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:59, September 28, 2025 (EDT)

===Reinventing the wheel===
Expanded server capacity should be how Conservapedia fixes its problems. That means having Admin with judgement and reason, not just goons with sledgehammers who like to play ''Space Invaders'' and smash their enemies.

That means establishing [[Sysop accountability]] and [[dispute resolution]]. There's a lot that can be learned from the experience of larger platforms in dealing with trolls, vandals, problematic editors, disruptions, disputes, etc. Everytime it's suggested, reformers are shouted down and accused of being "[[liberal]]". [[Conservapedia]] ceased being a "[[meritocracy]]" a long time ago. It's [[anarchy]] with unaccountable sysops.

Conservapedia has tried to reinvent the wheel, and failed. But look up - there's a lot to be learned from Twitter's transition to [[X]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:54, September 28, 2025 (EDT)
:[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_8302afb3-fbaa-4583-9b27-6eb89ed6d8bc What is the probability that expanded server capacity fixes Conservapedia's timeout problem? Please take into account that Conservapedia uses MediaWiki version 1.24.2. Please also consider MediaWiki setting adjustments, Conservapedia does not use Cloudflare and and the likelihood that better and very economically DDOS mitigation solutions are available and that server capacity may not be the problem but server configuration may be the issue?]

:"Summary: Based on the above, the probability that solely expanding server capacity fixes Conservapedia's timeouts is 25%." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:29, September 28, 2025 (EDT)

::It's a false assumption, [[spam]], and [[trolling]].

::It says nothing about the key elements implied in the proposal:

::*Exapnding the user base;

::*Expanding the number of Sysops;

::*Implementing [[dispute resolution]];

::*Implementing [[Sysop accountability]].

::Or a host of other reforms, such as such disciplining sysops with a history of abuse, discipling or revoking Sysop powers of admin who play ''Space Invaders'' with the banhammer, etc.

:: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:11, September 28, 2025 (EDT)

== Head to head competition on conservatism - Russia vs. Ukraine. Who wins on the fact front? How close is it? ==

I did some research this morning on how conservative Russia and UKraine are when it comes to conservatism plus how they compare on other metrics.

This is what I found:

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_f1ae97b0-1968-4ffc-946d-76325a7995d4 Is Russia or Ukraine more conservative? What does the data indicate?]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:37, September 30, 2025 (EDT)

:Grok is rigged. It thinks Andy is a Nazi. Just stay out at this important time. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:24, September 30, 2025 (EDT)
:You already have created as much [[confusion]] as [[Nick Fuentas]] has. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:26, September 30, 2025 (EDT)

==Ex-Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger, whom [[Conservapedia]] claimed was a proponent of [[bestiality]], later converted to Christianity and recommended [[Conservapedia]] as an alternative to WP before extensive [[information pollution]] on [[geopolitics]], interviewed by [[Tucker Carlson]] on [[CIA]] infiltration, banning [[conservative]]s, etc.==
Andy,

[https://rumble.com/v6zmski-wikipedia-co-creator-reveals-all-cia-infiltration-banning-conservatives-and.html @ 1:04:00 Wikipedia Reforms. "Enable competing articles"]. [[Conservapedia]] somewhat has this. However the abuse comes where (a) the same [[claptrap]] is [[spammed]] into dozens and dozens of articles, Essays, and talk pages, and (b) the Essay [[opinion]]s are allowed as [[information pollution]] in [[:Categories]]. (This is basically a [[behavior]] issue, not a [[content]] issue.) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:19, September 30, 2025 (EDT)

===Does User:Conservative of [[Conservapedia]] apparantly have an affinity for [[gay bath houses]]?===
[[File:Grok Does User Conservative of Conservapedia apparenlty have an affinity for gau bath houses.PNG|center|850px|thumb|I trust this clarifies matters.]]

== There are now Russian nationalists talking about the possibility of defeat as far as the war in Ukraine ==

* [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_7c52dc20-58a7-484a-ac98-700b4ff38607 Are there Russians now talking about defeat as far as the war in Ukraine? Does this include Russian nationalists?]

'''Summary:''' "As of October 2025, some Russians, including prominent nationalists like Maksim Kalashnikov and Girking, are publicly discussing the possibility of defeat in the Ukraine war, citing unsustainable casualties (over 700,000 personnel), economic collapse, and stalled offensives. These views, amplified on platforms like X, contrast with Kremlin denials, reflecting growing frustration among pro-war voices."

Russia did turn things around in WWII and was ultimately victorious.

However, Donald J. Trump recently called Russia a "paper tiger". And now we have the prominent Russian nationalist Maksim Kalashnikov and Girking publicly discussing the possibility of defeat in the Ukraine war.

Russia should come to the peace table and work out a peace deal. If this war drags on, it will hurt Russia's long-term future even more than it has already. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:24, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

:Oh goodie. Maybe the [[gay bath houses]] will still be open when you visit Russia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:32, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

:It's already on MPR. That's why [[Putin]] might take an early retirement and the hardliners [[Oreshnik]] [[Kyiv]], [[Redzikowo]], [[Deveselu]], [[Rammstein]] & [[Lakenheath]].

:You're a day late and few [[yuan]] short, as usual. Get your head out of that Russian toilet. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:46, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
::I no longer read MPR. There are too many goofy commentators being featured on MPR whose news commentaries lack substantive opinions.

::Andy agrees with me as evidenced by this edit of his: "Template:Mainpageright‎; 21:28 . . (-111)‎ . . ‎Aschlafly (Talk | contribs | block)‎ (removing headline and link with a pro-Putin bias. This site is America First here. Thanks.) [rollback 1 edit]". [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:53, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
::::uhh duh Putin's on his way out, according to MPR. Too bad you won't even know the name of the guy who [[nuke]]d you, or had time to [[demonize]] him.
:::America might survive the war it provoked with Russia. Europe won't. It's easy to see why you don't care.

:::Cheering for the losers like the [[Buffalo Bills]] is habit. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:55, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
::::[https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5526186-jd-vance-russia-ukraine-war-reality/ JD Vance says Russia has ‘to wake up and accept reality’], The Hill, 9-28-2025

::::I agree with [[JD Vance]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:01, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

:::::Do you agree with Vance today or yesterday? or tomorrow? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:07, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

[Grok: Does User:Conservative of Conservapedia apparently have an affinity for gay bath houses?]

Yes, [[User:Conservative]], a long-time administrator and prolific editor on Conservapedia since 2007, has demonstrated '''an apparent affinity for the topic of gay bathhouses through repeated contributions'''...These fit into a broader pattern where '''roughly 10–15% of their recent edits (out of hundreds) focus on Russia-related topics, blending geopolitical critique with niche details on LGBTQ+ <big><big>suppression</big></big> under Vladimir Putin."'''

I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:21, October 1, 2025 (EDT) producers Saudi Arabia and the UAE diversified their economies significantly better than Russia has? If so, why?].

:So according to Grok, [[User:Conservative]]'s criticism of [[Vladimir Putin]] is because of Putin's [[suppress]]ion of [[LGBTQ+ rights]]. Grok hath spoken.
:::Putin was an improvement over a drunk Boris Yeltsin. However, for anyone who has eyes to see, Putinism as an economic and foreign policy model has been a failure since 2014: "...2014 exposed the model's unsustainability: without diversification or rule of law, growth became impossible. By October 2025, with recession looming, the policies' failures are undeniable, though Putin prioritizes geopolitics over reform." See: [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_1b9fc17e-0641-4eaa-88de-54f157fff1a2 When did Putin's economic policies stop working?].

:::Both Saudi Arabia and the UAE have far bigger gains in terms of diversifying their economies beyond oil than Russia has. [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_69e0cd96-a8de-478f-b9eb-dafdcad8a8b5 Have the oil producers Saudi Arabia and the UAE diversified their economies significantly better than Russia has? If so, why?]. '''Summary:''' "Saudi and UAE use oil wealth to fund diversified futures, while Russia’s sanction-hit, reactive approach keeps it energy-reliant. Gulf non-oil growth is projected at 4%+ through 2026, vs. Russia’s ~2-3%."

:::The Ukrainian drone attacks on Russia's oil refineries have been effective in terms of hurting Russia's economy and it appears as if the Ukrainians are going to step up the attacks.

:::I did see the various weaknesses of Russia before JD Vance did, but he is now better understanding the various weaknesses of Russia.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:29, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

:::: When you are a smoking pile of radioactive ash and Putin is retired to his dacha, who cares that Putin was an improvement over the [[CIA]] stooge [[Boris Yeltsin]]. You had your chance. You probably wouldn't be a smoking pile of ash had Putin remained in power. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:45, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
:::::The utter rightness of the [[User: Conservative]] school of international politics will be evident by the end of 2030 in all likelihood 😄: [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_0a5eccd5-b12d-4672-9724-1a273c4be360 When will China's overall economic decline become apparent and China will no longer be able to conceal it?], Grok September 2025: "In essence, while China can continue masking aspects through data control and stimulus, the compounding effects of internal weaknesses and global pressures will likely make the overall decline starkly evident by 2028-2030, echoing Japan's "lost decades" but on a larger scale."

:::::Russia picked the wrong strategic partner without limits. It should have picked the USA instead of picking China! It's not too late for Russia to change its mind. Trump will welcome Russia as a strategic partner with open arms if it changes its course to being more friendly to U.S. interests. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:05, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
::::::Here's the ol' "wait 5 or 10 years" spiel. You been '''<big><big>PROVEN</big></big> WRONG''' on vitrually EVERTYTHING since the [[SMO]] started. I can't think of single thing you were even close to being correct (which isn't surprising, since you don't know, understand, or even interested in [[politics]]).

::::::You are just a [[troll]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:14, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
[[Image:2200-club-san-diego.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Gay bathhouse uploaded by [[User:Conservative]] in violation of [[Conservapedia]]'s "family friendly" rule, June 8, 2008. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Community_Portal&diff=next&oldid=2163315] ]]
::::::Go back to your love affair with [[gay bath houses]].

::::::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:17, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
I suggest getting out of {{prr}} as you will see plenty of times that I have been right about when it comes to Putin's disastrous decision to launch his February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

By the way, [https://chatgpt.com/share/68dd5a23-e334-800d-8f0a-8ae5c3336611 What is the economic track record of countries that have supported the USA vs. countries that have opposed the USA? Which type of countries have done economically better? Is there a positive correlation between a country opposing the USA and doing economically poorer? If so, how strong is that correlation? Could it be an unwise decision to generally oppose the United States which is a powerful country? If so, why? In addition to previous analysis, please give long term economic results.], 9-15-2025

Now feel free to engage in [[last wordism]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:20, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:Grok Does User Conservative of Conservapedia apparenlty have an affinity for gau bath houses.PNG|center|850px|thumb|I trust this clarifies matters.]]
<center>{{Cquote|How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?}}</center>
<center>{{Cquote|For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins no more.}}</center>
If you get right with [[God]], he will purge your conscious and remember your [[sin]]s no more and you can stop bothering the rest of us with this [[Homosexuality obsession|obsession]] with [[gay bath houses]]. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia%3ACommunity_Portal&diff=2163338&oldid=2163315] {{unsigned|RobSmith}}

:[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_e7a173df-83af-47ec-aa15-95132d323e4e Using objective evidence and facts, does User: Conservative at Conservapedia whose user page is at https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative have an affinity for gay bathhouses or is this merely gossip? User: Conservative is not Andy Schlafly.]:

:'''Summary:''' "There is no objective evidence of User:Conservative having a personal affinity for gay bathhouses—e.g., no admissions, external reports, or patterns suggesting endorsement or participation. The claim stems from gossip and internal mockery on Conservapedia, where repetitive anti-Russia edits (including 2–4 factual/historical notes on gay bathhouses) were weaponized in editor disputes. This fits the site's documented "toxic editing environment," where personal attacks often exaggerate wiki activity into character smears. Given the user's long-term focus on anti-homosexuality content, any such affinity would contradict their established conservative Christian stance." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:31, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:LGBT NATO.jpg|center|850px|thumb|[[User:Conservative]] is hereby awarded the [[NATO]] [[Gay Pride|Gay Pride Medal of Honor]] for Meritorious Service Above and Beyond the Call of Duty.]]

::[https://archive.ph/i58j0 NATO member Slovakia signs constitutional amendment declaring there are only 2 genders. Moscow and St. Petersburg still have gay bars and saunas]

::I trust this further clarifies matters for you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:34, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
:::Absolutely. It sure does. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:38, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
::::RobSmith, you have had various suggestions for me as far as writing articles. Here is a suggestion for an article that you can write: [[Gay bars and saunas in Russia]]. Godspeed. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:41, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
:::::Naah. Why would I tread into an area you have spent almost 20 years staking out your expertise? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:45, October 1, 2025 (EDT)
<center>{{Cquote|As he thinketh in his heart, so is he.|||Proverbs 23:7}}</center>
[https://web.archive.org/web/20080309160324/http://americansfortruth.com/news/excellent-news-from-james-hartline-san-diego-bathhouse-to-close-down.html Excellent News from James Hartline: San Diego Bathhouse to Close Down!], Jan 4, 2007

There was a four-year effort by conservatives that resulted in the shutdown of the San Diego gay bathhouse.[https://web.archive.org/web/20080309160324/http://americansfortruth.com/news/excellent-news-from-james-hartline-san-diego-bathhouse-to-close-down.html]

What's Vladimir Putin waiting for? Vladimir Putin has held power in Russia for over 25 years, serving as either president or prime minister since August 1999.

Vladimir Putin, tear down the Moscow and St. Petersburg gay clubs/bars/saunas! (That is very Reaganesque 🙂). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:51, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

I get it. You say there's more than one user of the [[User:Conservative]]. ChatGPT & Grok the other user is Andy. And it gives out this information without the user even asking.

==Here's a few more you can delete, finally==
*[[User:Conservative/Anger and insecurity about the topic of intelligence. Thy name is RobSmith]]
*[[User:Conservative/Why is RobSmith so upset that I do not have hyper Russophia given that Russia has mortgage interest rates of 25%, high food price inflation, regional protests and over 20% of its population does not have indoor toilets.]]
*[[User:Conservative/RobSmith's lame and unconvincing narcissist smear campaign against me was a total failure. Nobody is a member of his so-called Team CP. The CP Civility Association which I endorsed has 900% more members.]]
*[[User:Conservative/RobSmith was stripped of his Admin powers and kicked out of Conservapedia before due to acting like a jerk. He has learned nothing. He is still acting like a jerk]]
Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:30, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

:Oh, additionally, are you going to go back and remove the dozens and dozens of times [[User:Conservative]] posted to talk pages about RobSmith "being in love with Russia and China"? I don't recall anyone claiming he was "in love with Homosexuality and Atheism"? Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:34, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

:btw, none of my articles or contributions have ever been cited in a [[United States Department of Justice]] attempted murder [[hate crime]] indictment, for which the accused plead guilty and was sentenced to 8 years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:16, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

:Heads up: In addition to [[Grok]], Google AI thinks User:Conservative is Andy, too. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]

::Who was the federal judge in the case? Was it Joe Biden apppointed Judge Mustafa T. Kasubhai who went to school at Berkeley and at the University of Oregon which are very liberal academic institutions?

::True conservatives don't believe in the very liberal concept of hate crimes! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:59, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

:::Oh, so your defense is [[moral relativism]]. okay. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 19:34, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

:::If you feel so strongly about your alleged "[[conservative]]" [[principle]]s, why don't you put your name on your writings, rather than hiding behind the rest of us and besmirching the name of [[Conservapedia]]? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 19:40, October 1, 2025 (EDT)

==Andy, I'm afraid [[User:Conservative]] has you bamboozled==
[[Grok]]: [What is the ratio of known gay bathhouses in the Russian Federation compared to the Collective West?]

===Known Gay Bathhouses in the Russian Federation vs. the Collective West===
The "[[Collective West]]" typically refers to [[NATO]] and [[EU]] member states, the [[US]], [[Canada]], [[Australia]], [[New Zealand]], and other aligned [[Western]] democracies—approximately 50 countries with a combined population of around 1.1 billion. The [[Russian Federation]] has a population of about 144 million. [[Gay bathhouses]] (also known as gay saunas or cruising venues) are commercial establishments explicitly marketed as [[LGBTQ+]]-friendly spaces for relaxation, socializing, and sexual encounters, often featuring amenities like saunas, steam rooms, pools, and private cabins.

Due to Russia's anti-LGBTQ+ [[law]]s (e.g., the 2013 "[[gay propaganda]]" ban and 2023 "international LGBT movement" [[extremist]] designation), gay bathhouses operate discreetly, with limited online visibility and no comprehensive directories. In contrast, the Collective West has a robust, open scene supported by [[legal]] protections and [[cultural]] acceptance. Data is drawn from global directories like Spartacus Gay Sauna Guide, TravelGay, MisterB&B, and academic studies (e.g., Damron guides for historical US counts).

===Estimated Numbers===
[[File:What is the ratio of known gay bathhouses in the Russian Federation compared to the Collective West.PNG|center|650px|thumb|]]

===Ratio===
The ratio of known gay bathhouses in the Russian Federation to the Collective West is '''approximately 1:150''' (or 0.67%). This reflects not just [[population]] differences but stark contrasts in [[legal]] safety, [[cultural]] visibility, and urban density of queer spaces. '''Russia's figure is [[conservative]]; actual numbers may be lower''' due to closures or underground operations.

===Key Venues in Russia (All in Moscow)===
These are the most consistently listed, per 2025 guides. They cater to mature crowds and operate with caution.

*VODA Spa: Popular multi-floor venue with pool, steam room, darkroom, and bar. Entry ~500 RUB.
*XL Spa: Modern 5-floor facility with jacuzzi, gym, maze, and events (e.g., drag nights). Entry ~600 RUB.
*Paradise Spa: Central spot with whirlpool, Turkish bath, karaoke, and massage. Entry ~500 RUB.
*Vulkan Sauna: Cozy with steam room, private cabins, and occasional themed nights. Entry ~400 RUB.
*Others (less verified): Labyrinth (crowded, Western-style) and smaller spots like Central Station MSK.

No major venues outside [[Moscow]]; [[St. Petersburg]] has informal cruising but no dedicated bathhouses.

===Highlights from the Collective West===
The scene thrives in major cities, with [[Europe]] leading in variety and luxury. Top directories list hundreds, emphasizing health (e.g., free STI testing) and inclusivity.

===Europe (500–600 venues)===

*France (~90, per Spartacus): Paris alone has 10+ (e.g., Sun City: 3,000m² with Indian-themed pool/jacuzzi; IDM: 5 floors, maze).
*Germany (~50): Berlin's Der Boiler (maze steam room, jacuzzi); Munich's Deutsche Eiche (rooftop terrace).
*UK (~20): London's Pleasuredrome (20-man sauna, themed nights); Glasgow's Pipeworks (recent £400K refurb).
*Spain (~30): Madrid's El Paraíso (large spa pool); Barcelona's Sauna Casanova (Eixample district).
*Netherlands (~15): Amsterdam's Thermos Day/Night (canal views, pool).
*Others: Vienna's Kaiserbründl (historic, restaurant on-site); Copenhagen's Amigo (mid-1970s staple).

===North America (100–150 venues)===

*[[USA]] (<70, per 2014 Guardian/Damron; ~60–70 in 2025): Steamworks [[Chicago]] (gym, whirlpool); Club [[Fort Lauderdale]] (24/7 pool); East Side Club [[NYC]] (sole traditional bathhouse). Chains like The Clubs (8 US locations) and Flex Spas boost counts.
*[[Canada]] (~15–20): Steamworks [[Vancouver]]/[[Toronto]] (11,800 sq ft, 24/7 gym/hot tub).

*Oceania/Other (~20): [[Sydney]] Sauna ([[Australia]]'s largest); limited in [[NZ]].

===Context and Substantiation===

Russia's Constraints: Guides like Spartacus note the "limited" scene due to laws fining/exiling operators (up to 100,000 RUB). [[Reddit]]/[[Quora]] anecdotes confirm vibrancy in Moscow but warn of risks (e.g., no signage, [[police]] raids). No growth since 2013; focus on survival over expansion.

[[Western]] Abundance: Europe's sauna culture (e.g., [[Finnish]]/[[Turkish]] influences) integrates queer spaces seamlessly. [[US]] peaked at ~200 in 1970s but dropped post-[[AIDS]] closures; rebound via apps/health initiatives. Directories like MisterB&B list 500+ Western entries vs. <10 for Russia.

Sources: Aggregated from Spartacus (650 global), TravelGay (US/EU lists), [[PubMed]]/Damron studies (US historical), and 2025 Reddit compilations (North America: 60+). Figures exclude informal cruising spots or non-commercial venues.

If you're traveling, prioritize safety: Use apps like Grindr for real-time [[intel]], and check local laws. For Russia, discretion is essential—stick to verified spots and avoid public displays. [[The West]] offers far more options, often with [[Gay Pride|Pride]] tie-ins and wellness focus."

:I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 05:23, October 8, 2025 (EDT)

===Why does Russia have so few gay bathhouses?===

In [[Poli Sci]] 101, another field [[User:Conservative]] recently has pretended to have some knowledge of, they teach the concept of "Tolerance of [[diversity]] in order to contain it". This answers [[User:Conservative]]'s question as to why the authoritian dictator Putin hasn't stomped them out entirely compared to the [[godless]] [[Satanic]] [[West]] which has fully embraced it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 05:49, October 8, 2025 (EDT)

== Donald Trump, Ronald Reagan, Western values/civilization, US-European alliance, and NATO ==

=== Is the United States - European alliance worth it? ===

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_912e1d85-facb-4445-acea-2bd40dda2a1c Considering the cost of the American military in Europe weighed against USA trade to Europe, is the European alliance worth it? Consider other factors too and quantify them], 2025

'''Summary:''' "Yes, unequivocally. The direct military costs ($25-35 billion annually) are a fraction (~5-10%) of the tangible economic benefits from trade ($370 billion exports + $180 billion services surplus) and investments/jobs (~$500-700 billion in output). When including strategic deterrence (saving trillions in potential wars) and influence, the alliance yields a return on investment of 20-50x. Without it, the US risks isolation, higher solo defense burdens (~$100-200 billion extra annually), and economic losses from instability (e.g., 10-20% drop in transatlantic trade). The alliance isn't charity—it's a high-yield investment in US prosperity and security."
 
 

*[To what extent has American and European trade changed in the past 12 months?]

'''Summary:''' Trade has grown modestly (~1-2% projected for 2025) despite headwinds, but tariffs mark a pivotal shift toward fragmentation, potentially costing 0.3-0.7% in EU growth and widening the U.S. deficit without global benefits.

[[File:Europe map.png|thumbnail|200px|center|Map of Europe]]

=== Donald Trump on the value of Western values, Western innovation and the value of NATO to the United States ===
==== Donald Trump's 2017 Warsaw speech about American/Western values of freedom and liberty. Donald Trump on Western innovation. Donald Trump on making NATO stronger ====
[[File:Donald Trump official presidential photo.jpg|right|thumbnail|200px|[[Donald Trump]] ]]
Please read: [https://www.aei.org/politics-and-public-opinion/trumps-warsaw-speech-wasnt-an-outrage-it-was-a-clear-statement-of-american-values/ Trump’s Warsaw Speech Wasn’t an Outrage. It Was a Clear Statement of American Values.], 2017

Excerpt from 2017 speech:
{{Cquote|Americans, Poles, and the nations of Europe value individual freedom and sovereignty. We must work together to confront forces, whether they come from inside or out, from the South or the East, that threaten over time to undermine these values and to erase the bonds of culture, faith and tradition that make us who we are. (Applause.) If left unchecked, these forces will undermine our courage, sap our spirit, and weaken our will to defend ourselves and our societies...

We write symphonies. We pursue innovation. We celebrate our ancient heroes, embrace our timeless traditions and customs, and always seek to explore and discover brand-new frontiers.

We reward brilliance. We strive for excellence, and cherish inspiring works of art that honor God. We treasure the rule of law and protect the right to free speech and free expression. (Applause.)...

As long as we know our history, we will know how to build our future. Americans know that a strong alliance of free, sovereign and independent nations is the best defense for our freedoms and for our interests. That is why my administration has demanded that all members of NATO finally meet their full and fair financial obligation.

As a result of this insistence, billions of dollars more have begun to pour into NATO. In fact, people are shocked. But billions and billions of dollars more are coming in from countries that, in my opinion, would not have been paying so quickly.

To those who would criticize our tough stance, I would point out that the United States has demonstrated not merely with words but with its actions that we stand firmly behind Article 5, the mutual defense commitment. (Applause.)

Thank you. God Bless You. God bless the Polish people. God bless our allies. And God bless the United States of America.

Thank you. God bless you. Thank you very much. (Applause.)<ref>[https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-people-poland/ Remarks by President Trump to the People of Poland], 2017</ref>}}

==== 2025 White House: President Trump’s Leadership, Vision Drives NATO Breakthrough. Donald Trump gets most NATO European countries to commit to 5% of GNP spending ====

*[https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/president-trumps-leadership-vision-drives-nato-breakthrough/ 2025 White House: President Trump’s Leadership, Vision Drives NATO Breakthrough], White House website 2025

==== Donald Trump's Pro-NATO Statements from 2017 to 2025: A Balanced Overview ====

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_bbb73fba-0c0d-464a-9e1e-53221780df14 Donald Trump's Pro-NATO Statements: A Balanced Overview], 2025

=== Ronald Reagan on the value of Western values ===

President Ronald Reagan heaped praised Poland as a country “at the center of European civilization” and warned that our shared Western civilization is threatened by “totalitarian forces in the world who seek . . . to further their barbarous assault on the human spirit.” He called on the West to defend “the great civilized ideas: individual liberty, representative government, and the rule of law under God” and criticized “the shyness of some of us in the West about standing for these ideals.”<ref>[https://www.aei.org/articles/trumps-defense-of-western-civilization-is-not-alt-right/#:~:text=The%20president%20heaped%20praise%20on,about%20standing%20for%20these%20ideals.%E2%80%9D Trump’s Defense of Western Civilization Is Not Alt-right], 2017</ref>

:[Grok: Was [[gay marriage]] and [[transgenderism]] considered "Western values" under Ronald Reagan?]
::No, gay marriage and transgenderism were not considered "Western values" under Ronald Reagan's presidency (1981–1989). These concepts were largely absent from mainstream political discourse and were viewed by [[conservative]]s, including [[Reagan]], as fringe or contrary to traditional American and Western moral norms rooted in Judeo-Christian traditions."

'''<big><big>Questions:</big></big>''' Why is Conservapedia so pro-Russia and so anti-Western and so anti-NATO? Is Conservapedia an American first website or a Russia first website? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:28, October 14, 2025 (EDT)

=== References ===
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:<big><big>'''Answer:'''</big></big> [[Russia Russia Russia]], that's why.

:'''<big><big>Question:</big></big>''' Since when does [[America First]] equate to [[lies]] & [[propaganda]]?

*''[[The American Conservative]]''''': [https://www.theamericanconservative.com/a-japanese-general-takes-on-americas-warmongers/ A Japanese General Takes on America’s Warmongers]
{{Cquote|Work your way through a room full of Jieitai (Japan Self-Defense Forces) officers and defense contractor types at a cocktail party in [[Tokyo]] and you’ll likely feel either elation or disgust. If you like the way [[Washington, D.C.|Washington]] runs and think the whole world should be franchisees of its [[warmonger]]ing-for-[[profit]] brand, then you’ll absolutely love how the [[Japan]] defense [[establishment]] operates. You couldn’t find more [[slavery|slavish]] toadies of [[American foreign policy|America’s foreign-policy]] “[[The Blob|Blob]]” even if you talked to every man wearing a suit inside the Beltway.

But if you think that killing foreigners for [[money]] is [[immoral]], that exposing your own [[people]] to harm for the sake of Washington’s [[hegemonic]] schemes is bad, and that latching onto those schemes from a distant capital is even worse, then you’ll leave such cocktail parties wondering how the country that gave us the samurai and the warrior code could have fallen to such despicable depths as have the soulless hangers-on among the Jieitai officers and defense-industry urchins in Japan.}}
:Let's just pretend a publication like what was founded by [[Pat Buchanon]] doesn't exist, and keep [[spamming]] [[Hillary Clinton]] & [[Joe Biden]] [[information pollution]] into [[Conservapedia]] that doesn't even reach a junior high school level civics course to satisfy [[User:Conservative]]'s bloated [[ego]] of himself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 22:53, October 14, 2025 (EDT)

:By insisting [[Conservapedia]] be a sideline cheerleader & [[neocon]] echo chamber, [[User:Conservative]] has forfeited Conservapedia's role as a participant and player in shaping narratives. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:52, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
::RobSmith, in 2023, you wrote concerning the Russo-Ukraine War the following: "And I predict Russia is unlikely to accept the US offer for a "frozen conflict" ala the Korean peninsula so the US can save face, call it a draw, and withdraw. The US is committed now, and it's gonna get its butt kicked short of nuclear war. Alternatively, the US can admit defeat, withdraw sanctions, apologize, and accept the treaties Putin & Lavrov offered in December 2021 before NATO decided to go on another murderous rampage. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:25, July 8, 2023 (EDT)"

::As time progresses, this 2023 forecast of yours is looking less and less likely.
:::Not so. [[George Beebe]], former director of the [[CIA]]’s [[Russia]] analysis and a staff advisor on Russia matters to [[Vice President Cheney]]. Beebe is the director of Grand Strategy at the [[Quincy Institute]].  US-Russia Agreement to End [[NATO Expansionism]] '''or Accept an Ugly Russian Victory.''' [bolden added] [https://youtu.be/53WFaEMvcs8] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:37, October 23, 2025 (EDT)

::For example, the Russian economy is going in a downward trajectory,
:::Again, wrong. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:38, October 23, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:FT_Trump_Russian_economy.PNG|center|600px|thumb|''Source: [[Financial Times]]'']]
::the successful Ukrainian attacks on Russian oil refineries, gas shortages in Russia, etc. Donald Trump has called Russia a "paper tiger" and he called Putin "crazy". He also has called the Russian economy a "disaster". Trump doesn't sound very apologetic!

:::Debunked, '''[[redundant]] talk page arguments''', a blockable offense. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Blocking_policy&diff=next&oldid=1817296 User:Conservative wrote the rule] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:44, October 23, 2025 (EDT)

::From 1500 to the present, in great power conflicts, in 75% of the cases the richer side wins.<ref>[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_e415eda0-8315-435b-824b-3e664f9b92cb In what percentage of cases from 1500 to now, does the richer side win in great power conflicts? Use the book The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000 and other sources. Do not be overly dependent on whatever you glean from this book and use other sources too. Apply this data with other relevant data and come up with various scenarios and their probabilities as far as the war in Ukraine. Taking into account Russia's stagflation and slowing economy. Take into account the effects of Ukraine's drone attacks on Russian refineries. Take into account the USA promise to provide long-range targeting data. Use other relevant data too like Europe's aging population and current economic challenges. And Russia's other economic problems and its demographic and labor problems.], October 2025</ref> Europe, which supports Ukraine, has 10 times the GDP of Russia.<ref>*[https://archive.ph/80Uia#selection-1374.0-1387.48 Why Russia May Be Running Out of Time in Ukraine], October 2025</ref>

::*[https://archive.ph/80Uia#selection-1374.0-1387.48 Why Russia May Be Running Out of Time in Ukraine], October 2025

::*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_e415eda0-8315-435b-824b-3e664f9b92cb In what percentage of cases from 1500 to now, does the richer side win in great power conflicts? Use the book The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000 and other sources. Do not be overly dependent on whatever you glean from this book and use other sources too. Apply this data with other relevant data and come up with various scenarios and their probabilities as far as the war in Ukraine. Taking into account Russia's stagflation and slowing economy. Take into account the effects of Ukraine's drone attacks on Russian refineries. Take into account the USA promise to provide long-range targeting data. Use other relevant data too like Europe's aging population and current economic challenges. And Russia's other economic problems and its demographic and labor problems.], October 2025
 
 
[[File:Ukraine War scenarios and their probabilities.png|thumbnail|center|1200px|2025: Russia-Ukraine War scenarios and their probabilities.<ref>[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_e415eda0-8315-435b-824b-3e664f9b92cb In what percentage of cases from 1500 to now, does the richer side win in great power conflicts? Use the book The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000 and other sources. Do not be overly dependent on whatever you glean from this book and use other sources too. Apply this data with other relevant data and come up with various scenarios and their probabilities as far as the war in Ukraine. Taking into account Russia's stagflation and slowing economy. Take into account the effects of Ukraine's drone attacks on Russian refineries. Take into account the USA promise to provide long-range targeting data. Use other relevant data too like Europe's aging population and current economic challenges. And Russia's other economic problems and its demographic and labor problems.], October 2025</ref>]]

::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:09, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

::*[https://vaughncordle.substack.com/p/ai-produces-garbage-unless-rigorously AI produces garbage unless rigorously managed and trained],

:::As if [[User:Conservative]] hasn't proven it already.

::::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:23, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

===References===
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[[Image:Spam.jpg|thumb|center|650px|[[Spam]].]]
:By insisting [[Conservapedia]] be a sideline cheerleader & [[neocon]] echo chamber, [[User:Conservative]] has forfeited Conservapedia's role as a participant and player in shaping narratives.

:I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:41, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
::Just admit it. You painted Russia is being as solid as granite, but Russia turned out to be as brittle as peanut brittle. In early 2023, after some rudimentary analysis, it was very obvious to me that Russia was like peanut brittle. It appears hard, but once you apply some force to it, it begins to break. Little Ukraine, with its much smaller population than Russia, demonstrated how brittle Russia is. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:05, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
[[Image:Spam.jpg|thumb|center|650px|[[Spam]].]]
:::By insisting [[Conservapedia]] be a sideline cheerleader & [[neocon]] echo chamber, [[User:Conservative]] has forfeited Conservapedia's role as a participant and player in shaping narratives.

:::*[https://vaughncordle.substack.com/p/ai-produces-garbage-unless-rigorously AI produces garbage unless rigorously managed and trained],

::::As if [[User:Conservative]] hasn't proven it already.

:::::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:23, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
RobSmith, have you ever been paid as a computer programmer? Because as a person who has done paid database computer programming, I can tell that your understanding of AI is rather weak. As weak and as brittle as Russia!

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_76c13a95-88af-4781-9f96-0b796cae308c Does Grok use any database programming?]:

'''Summary''': "Grok's database programming is foundational, powering data ingestion, efficient retrieval, state management, and scalable serving. Without advanced SQL/NoSQL/vector DB integrations, deploying a model like Grok at production scale—processing millions of queries with low latency—would be infeasible." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:50, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
[[Image:Spam.jpg|thumb|center|650px|[[Spam]].]]
:By insisting [[Conservapedia]] be a sideline cheerleader & [[neocon]] echo chamber, [[User:Conservative]] has forfeited Conservapedia's role as a participant and player in shaping narratives.

:*[https://vaughncordle.substack.com/p/ai-produces-garbage-unless-rigorously AI produces garbage unless rigorously managed and trained],

::As if [[User:Conservative]] hasn't proven it already.

:::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:02, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

::*[https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/good-nazis-all Good Nazis All?] Is [[the West]] Nazi?
:::''For young Americans, the 21st Century has been a time of disillusion. So much promised—so little delivered….Like Obama’s “change you can believe in “ or Biden’s “Build Back Better” or Trump’s “Make America Great Again”. The debt keeps on growing. The Rich get richer. Your PhD may get you a job in Starbucks, but it will go out of business soon.''
::*[https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/learning-from-the-defeat Learning From The Defeat?] What is military technology actually for?

<big><big>'''Suggestion:'''</big></big> [[User:Conservative]]: Why don't you use [[AI]] to learn to become a cooperative & collaborative Admin & editor, rather than engaging in pointless and [[idiot]]ic "debates" & "discussions" that you think somehow furthers your own self-image of yourself? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']]

=== Do you still hold to this prediction for the Russo-Ukraine War? ===

RobSmith, in 2023, you wrote concerning the Russo-Ukraine War the following: "And I predict Russia is unlikely to accept the US offer for a "frozen conflict" ala the Korean peninsula so the US can save face, call it a draw, and withdraw. The US is committed now, and it's gonna get its butt kicked short of nuclear war. Alternatively, the US can admit defeat, withdraw sanctions, apologize, and accept the treaties Putin & Lavrov offered in December 2021 before NATO decided to go on another murderous rampage. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:25, July 8, 2023 (EDT)"

Do you still hold to this prediction for the Russia-Ukraine War? If so, why? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:30, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

:I don't know, maybe; as I said at the time, "I don't make predictions". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:03, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

:"Russia is unlikely to accept the US offer for a "frozen conflict" ala the Korean peninsula so the US can save face, call it a draw, and withdraw. The US is committed now, and it's gonna get its butt kicked short of nuclear war." This is exactly what has happened (NATO = US. Why is the US threatening [[nuclear]] [[escalation]] now with [[Tomahawk missile]]s?).

:Why don't you post the full context, with yours & Conway|||'s sad predictions, which have proved disastrous with 1 million+ dead? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:08, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
::If you don't know and do not want to fully embrace that your prediction will happen in full that's fine. But if Russia accepts a frozen conflict, then your 2023 prediction will have failed somewhat although "unlikely to accept" does cover you as unlikely events do happen. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:24, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

'''Update:''' [https://youtu.be/Y1Du4KJwMNg?t=29]
::{{Cquote|It is a political red line that has been broken. And the second political red line was the one there would be '''no frozen conflict''' on the site as it is now. It is, this is going to be a frozen conflict which '''all most Russians understand''' [''ed.'' "most Russians" includes [[civilian]]s, not just [[military]] & [[bureaucrat|govt officials]] ] is a trap that they have to avoid, and they've [[Minsk Accords|been in this before Minsk]], and even going back to [[Treaty of Brest-Litovsk|1918 and that treaty there where they lost Ukraine and parts of Poland]] and elsewhere. Everyone understands, and when I was in St. Petersburg just a couple of months ago, St. Petersburg is the liberal capital of Russia. I mean always connected to [[the West]]. There's a station, a Finnish station right in St. Petersburg. And there [[people]] said very clearly, "Listen, we've invested [[blood]] to get to this point. And we are not about to see another [[Minsk accord]] - a [[deceit]] imposed on us so that [[the West]] can rearm and regroup in [[Ukraine]] and that then we will have to spill more blood in three or four years' time. We just not going to accept that [[Putin]] may not do a deal like that. It's unacceptable. We've spent enough on it. We want the thing to be completed. We want it to be done with."

So, I mean, that's it's not a question of [[political]] affiliation or being pro-[[Putin]] or [[anti-Putin]]. This is how [[people]] feel about the threat to their [[children]].|||[[Alastair Crooke]], November 1, 2025. }}
:::And what happened after the threat to the Russian people's [[children]]? Andy let [[User:Conservative]] fill up the [[Conservapedia]] [[database]] with 3 1/2 years of '''[https://youtu.be/zrRPUPP970s Nancy Pelosi talking points].''' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:33, November 2, 2025 (EST)
:::Let me make two simple points:
:::*For a guy who contributed to the [[Psyop]] & [[Propaganda]] articles, [[User:Conservative]] has proven himself extraordinaly [[naive]] at being able to identify either one when it's before his face;
:::*Last time I had a phone conversation with his, [[User:Conservative]] went on and on for 20 minutes about how '''[[historian]]s''' "make predictions". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:30, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
:::::However, you did say, "America is going to get its butt kicked" in relation to the Russo-Ukraine War. I haven't seen that happen. Russia has made slow territorial gains at a huge cost in material and soldiers. So it does appear as if "little Ukraine" (much smaller population) did quite a bit of Russian butt kicking. In addition, Russia got caught with its pants down in the Kursk region. Plus, the Ukrainians have taken out a lot of Russian oil refinery production. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:37, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
::::::Yep. Javelins, Howitzer 777, [[ M1A1 Abrams]], [[HIMARS]], etc.. for which I personally paid dearly for through [[inflation]] & career compromises over decades, have all proven to be junk. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:38, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
:::::<big><big><big>'''You have been told 10,001+ times Russia's objective is not territory.'''</big></big></big>

:::::You are unable to distinguish between [[propaganda]] and [[reality]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:43, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

:::::Trump just re-stated a flawed talking point: "This war a should have been over in a week". He is mistakenly comparing the US Army to the Russian Army - US military doctrine to Russian military doctrine. There is no comparison. The US Army is an [[Expeditionary Force]]; the Russian Army is a Continental Army. And the fundamental differences guide each one's respective doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:30, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

[ [[Grok]] What is the difference between the Russian continental army and a NATO expeditionary force, and their respective doctrines?]

"Differences in Structure and Capabilities
The term "Russian continental army" typically refers to the Russian Ground Forces, which form the core of Russia's land-based military designed for large-scale operations on the Eurasian continent. This force emphasizes mass mobilization, heavy armor, and artillery, rooted in a historical focus on defending vast territorial expanses and conducting operations in contiguous or near-abroad regions. In contrast, a "NATO expeditionary force" describes rapid-deployment units like the NATO Response Force (NRF) or the Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF), which are multinational, mobile formations capable of projecting power to distant theaters. These forces prioritize self-sustainment, organic logistics, and a full array of supporting arms for operations away from established bases, evolving from historical rapid deployment concepts.
[[File:Expeditionary Force vs Continental Army..PNG|center|650px|thumb|]]
These differences reflect Russia's focus on territorial defense and mass in familiar terrain versus NATO's emphasis on agile, coalition-based power projection.
Respective Doctrines
Russian Military Doctrine
Russia's doctrine, as outlined in its 2014 Military Doctrine and supporting strategies, is defensive in orientation but incorporates active measures for preemption and escalation management. It views modern warfare as hybrid, involving nuclear, conventional, and nonmilitary means (e.g., information operations in a 4:1 ratio to military actions). Core tenets include "active defense," which blends offensive and defensive operations to seize initiative, achieve surprise, and degrade adversaries through asymmetric counters, noncontact warfare (standoff strikes), and maneuver defense (trading space to attrit forces via fires). Key threats encompass [[NATO expansion]], WMD proliferation, terrorism, and subversive activities near borders, prompting preparations for local, regional, or large-scale wars."

"Approximately 500-800 Russian main battle tanks have been destroyed by U.S.-supplied Javelin missiles in the Russia-Ukraine war as of October 2025, based on cross-referenced OSINT data (e.g., Oryx's ~3,600+ confirmed tank losses total) and expert analyses (e.g., Forbes, CSIS). This estimate accounts for ~200-300 early-war kills (2022, 93% hit rate) from initial shipments, plus ongoing use of ~10,000 missiles, though Javelins represent only 5-15% of anti-tank strikes amid dominance by drones and artillery. Exact figures remain uncertain due to unconfirmed attributions and Russian adaptations like cope cages."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_579cde0a-8f77-4425-bf13-4846d1a5dd4e] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:44, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

:RobSmith you wrote: "'''You have been told 10,001+ times Russia's objective is not territory.'''

:Question: Has Ukraine been demilitarized which Putin said was one of the main objectives of the war? No! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:47, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

::Ok, you want to NOW get into a discussion you have avoided for 3+ years.

::Your questions have low priority for me now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:50, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
:::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_7042c099-367a-4e4c-a0b6-db5addc2b825 How effective have HIMARs been in the war in Ukraine. Rate from 1 to 100 where 100 is maximal effectiveness. Give a summary statement at the end of your output.]:

:::'''Summary statement''': "HIMARS demonstrated strong initial impact, fighting Russian forces to a standstill in key battles and inspiring NATO procurements due to proven deep-strike capabilities. However, Russian jamming, interceptions, tactical adjustments, and Western constraints exposed vulnerabilities in GPS-reliant systems, questioning broader US weapons superiority. They remain in use for targeted operations but haven't been decisive in ending the conflict."

::You burnt all your bridges with you obnoxious [[trolling]] for 3 years. To reestablish [[good faith]], you know what you have to do. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:54, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
::::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_a5308e27-cea8-4b84-934b-3494d988c81a How effective has Howitzer 777 been in the war in Ukraine?]:

::::'''Summary statement''': "The M777 has been highly effective—rated 8/10 by military analysts like those at RUSI—for bolstering Ukraine's artillery firepower and enabling asymmetric advantages through precision. It shifted the conflict from Russian dominance to a stalemate in many areas, saving countless lives via suppressive fire. However, its impact wanes without sustained ammo supplies; by October 2025, Ukraine's push for domestic production (e.g., at Rheinmetall plants) aims to address this. For deeper dives, sources like ISW reports provide ongoing tracking." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:56, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

:::::What is [[Grok]]/[[User:Conservative]] saying that RobSmith has not been saying for 3 years? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:11, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

<big><big><big>'''All weapons at first enjoy initial success - until the enemy figures out how to deal with them and counteract it.'''</big></big></big> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:24, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

Not only has Putin failed to demilitarize Ukraine, but both Finland and Sweden became new NATO members. Furthermore, Trump got the European NATO countries to by in large commit to raising their GDP to military spending ratios to be 5%. And they will be buying their military hardware from the USA.

So far America is not getting its butt kicked. So far the score is Trump 1 and Putin 0.

Hegseth recently said the war is going to end by the end of Trump's 2nd term. Putin better get on the ball before Trump ends the war on terms Putin definitely will not like. The longer Putin waits, the more unfavorable things will likely be for Russia.

On the other hand, the typical modern war that does not end fairly quickly [https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-does-it-end-what-past-wars-tell-us-about-how-save-ukraine#:~:text=Wars%20that%20end%20within%20a,average%2C%20resulting%20in%20sporadic%20clashes. lasts over 10 years], so maybe Trump will not be able to help end this war in his second term. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:30, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

:Putin has long since de-militarized Ukraine; NATO, which has kept Ukraine on life-support, is now being de-militarized.
[[File:Nazi Nato.PNG|center|850px|thumb|Different stages in the history of [[the West]].]]
:If the US sends [[Tomahawk missile]]s to [[Ukraine]], the [[US]] will be de-militarizing itself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:55, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
{{Cquote|This is the battle of narratives for the [[Global South]], and all the rest of the world, really. I was in an [[ASEAN]] meeting and one thing what was interesting you know that [[Russia]] was addressing [[China]] like "You and uh and like Russia and China, We uh you know fought the [[Second World War]]. We won the Second World War. We won the [[Nazi]]s". And I was like, "Okay, that is something new".

But then you can see first you can, you know, if you know [[history]] then you know it raises a lot of question marks in your head. But you know, I can tell you nowadays [[people]] don't really read and remember [[history]] that much.|||[[Kaja Kallas]], September 4, 2025.<ref>[https://youtu.be/T3pCPOUUflA EU Slammed By China For Lack Of Basic History], Novara Media, Sep 5, 2025. [[YouTube]]</ref><ref>[https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/critically-uneducated-russia-china-mock-eus-kaja-kallas-bizarre-commentary 'Critically Uneducated': Russia, China Mock EU's Kaja Kallas After Bizarre Commentary], [[Zerohedge]], Sep 08, 2025.</ref>}}

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:In fact, let me go one step further: If the [[US]] sends [[Tomahawk missile]]s to [[Ukraine]], it will be a desperation move because the [[US]]/[[Ukraine]] is losing the [[war]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:06, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
::User: ConwayIII was right. You engage in a lot of [https://www.google.com/search?q=wishcasting&oq=wishcasting&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCQgAEEUYORiABDIHCAEQABiABDIHCAIQABiABDIHCAMQABiABDIGCAQQABgeMgYIBRAAGB4yBggGEAAYHjIGCAcQABgeMgYICBAAGB4yBggJEC4YQNIBCDY0OTNqMGoxqAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 wishcasting]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:09, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
:::As usual, [[User:Conservative]] can't discuss a subject without resorting to [[ad hominem]]s.

:'''Update:''' REPORTER: ‘Shy of Tomahawks for Ukraine, are you considering other options?’

:TRUMP: ‘We’re looking at other options’

:Launching Tomahwaks is like Hitler launching [[V-2]]s in a failed effort for a lost cause. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:15, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
::[https://chatgpt.com/share/68f0129b-e3c4-8003-b2ce-c4a417fb0744 Has Vladimir Putin demilitarized Ukraine? Be sure to give a summary section with some relevant statistics.]

::'''Short answer''': "No — Vladimir Putin and Russia have not demilitarized Ukraine. Ukraine continues to field large armed forces, receive substantial foreign military aid, spend heavily on defense, and conduct ongoing operations on active front lines." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:31, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

:::Yah yah we know how [https://www.bitchute.com/video/TlGN0RpRCkWH Ukraine continues to field large forces] on the [[US]] [[taxpayer]] dime. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:37, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
::::[https://chatgpt.com/share/68f0163c-198c-8003-a198-0704c7fb5a5f How long could Ukraine sustain the war in Ukraine? Give scenarios and probabilities.]

::::'''Summary statement''': "Barring a major political shock in Western capitals or total collapse of Ukrainian logistics, the most probable outlook is a multi-year continuation of high-intensity warfare, characterized by slow advances, heavy losses, and dependence on foreign support. The war’s end will likely come through exhaustion and negotiation, not rapid victory by either side." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:47, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

:::::Your [[AI]] [[spam]] is contradictory; earlier you said Russia is going broke, etc., now you (it) says the war will go on for years.

:::::Stop, [[think]] before you [[spam]], and quit wasting everybody's time. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:16, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

:::::Furthermore, [[AI]] is making no provision for the European [[conservative populist]] movement that can pull the plug on [[Ukraine aid]] should "Western democracy" suddenly become "democratic", and pro-Russian, anti-war [[conservative populist]]s start winning elections, (you know, the stuff you spammed all over the place from [[Dr. Steve Turley]] about a "rising conservative age") without [[globalist]] [[election rigging]] and interference.

:::::Unless you are going to continue your neocon globalist argument that "[[conservative populist]]s" are really [[warmonger]]s. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:21, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

::::::All three, [[Marine LePen]], [[Nigel Farage]], and [[Alice Weidel]] (not to mention what happened in [[Moldova]] & [[Romania]]) have all vowed to end Ukraine aid. The US is now only [[profit]]ting off the killing by ending its direct welfare payments. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:40, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
Multiyear can be as little as 2 years. "Most likely" if you have 3 scenarios doesn't mean probably.

Setting the above aside, using the thesis the richer side usually wins (see above), it is Russia that is most likely to financially fail as Europe's GDP is 10 times that of Russia. Plus, Russia now has stagflation.

Also, I do prefer Grok to ChatGPT as it gives better results, but I used ChatGPT for various reasons in the last 1-2 queries (quicker, Grock only allows so many queries from an unpaid account, etc.)

With that in mind:

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_3763a4b5-dc51-475d-8f76-3bc8eb57bfcb How long can Russia fund the war in Ukraine?]

'''Summary statement:''' "Russia can likely fund its war in Ukraine for 3–4 years (40% probability), driven by $400–500 billion usable reserves and $110 billion oil/gas revenues, but stagflation, labor shortages, and Ukrainian drone strikes (damaging 38% of refineries) could shorten this to 1–2 years (30%) or less (10%) if pressures intensify, per historical patterns of economic overstretch." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:54, October 15, 2025 (EDT)
[[Image:Spam.jpg|thumb|center|650px|[[Spam]].]]
:You missed your chance to discuss the war rationally 3 tears ago.

:You know what you need to do if you want serious discussion.

:If you're lonely, get a dog. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:58, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_77c1f6aa-866d-4f2a-9a14-3ae7aba7e333 How long can the Ukrainians financially sustain the war in Ukraine?], Grok

::'''Summary statements:'''

::"Ukraine can likely sustain its war efforts for 2–3 years (45% probability) with $38–41 billion in projected 2025 aid covering deficits amid 2% GDP growth, but US political shifts and energy attacks could shorten this to 1–2 years (25%), per IMF and Kiel Institute analyses—underscoring the need for diversified, timely support to avoid overstretch akin to historical aid-dependent conflicts....

::With a 75% chance of the EU's €140 billion reparations loan scheme using frozen Russian assets as collateral advancing by early 2026, Ukraine's war sustainability extends to 3–4 years (45% probability) or longer (35%), significantly mitigating U.S. aid risks and fiscal strains per IMF and EU summit analyses—potentially averting collapse and enabling counteroffensives amid Russia's overstretch."

::If you don't think the Europeans would break the emergency glass if necessary and use Russian frozen assets in some financial/legal scheme to fund the Ukrainians ability to sustain the war, you are kidding yourself. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:20, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

:[How long can Ukraine financially sustain the war itself without outside financial aid?]

:'''Summery:''' Based on analyst estimates for similar scenarios (e.g., cutoffs in US aid alone leading to buckling in 4-6 months), a complete halt in all foreign financial aid could force major disruptions—such as reduced military salaries, supply shortages, or social unrest—within 3-6 months

:What I don't understand is, Why suddenly are you so interested and concerned about Ukraine's health, since it's been on its death bed since 1991? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 19:28, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

::[[Stalin]] [[gerrymander]]ed the [[UN General Assembly]] by getting 3 votes for [[Russia]], [[Ukraine]], and [[Belarus]], compared to the [[USA]]'s 1 vote. Now here you are, standing up for [[Stalinism]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 19:36, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

:::Addition to previous Grok thread via another query: [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_2b889f4e-12eb-4be3-a4f3-fe2af1c9b0dc How long can Ukraine sustain the war in Ukraine from a financial standpoint]

:::'''Summary statement''': "The Trump plan shifts Ukraine war funding to European NATO allies purchasing U.S. weapons, reducing direct U.S. costs, but earlier U.S. political shifts (e.g., aid pauses) were noted due to potential disruptions in execution, supply chains, or broader policy changes, with the EU's €140 billion reparations loan mitigating risks—ensuring Ukraine's 3–4+ year war sustainability (80% probability), per Bloomberg and CER analyses."

:::On its deathbed? Setting aside you didn't provide any evidence, the Ukrainians are known for their stubbornness/tenacity and nationalism. Putin picked the wrong hornets' nest to proverbially hit with his special operation stick! And it isn't the first time Putin has been embarrassed by a much smaller opponent as can be seen [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/b2b6lADtRzU HERE].

:::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_44de5169-fa6d-46b9-810f-dba0f3e45f67 Are Ukrainians known for their stubbornness/tenacity and their high degree of nationalism?]:

:::'''Summary statements:''' "Ukrainians are often characterized as tenacious and resilient, shaped by a history of overcoming invasions, occupations, and struggles for independence. This has fostered a strong sense of national identity, particularly evident in their resistance to external pressures, like the ongoing conflict with Russia since 2014. The 2022 invasion further highlighted this, with widespread unity and determination to defend their sovereignty, as seen in grassroots mobilization and global diaspora support." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:48, October 15, 2025 (EDT)

::::We're starting to see the breakdown of order in this [[lawless]], [[corrupt]] [[society]].

::::*In the [[Mykolaiv]] region, a drone operator of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the 60th Mechanized Brigade saw a comrade trying to rape a local woman. He managed to scare off the rapist-terrorist, and the girl was able to escape. For attempting to expose this story, the command wants to send the drone operator to a penal battalion as cannon fodder. [https://t.me/warandbattles/13025]
::::*The Ternopil [[TCC]] brought in [[Azov Nazi]]s from the 3rd Assault Brigade to help them round up fresh meat for the meatgrinder. They started robbing, beating, torturing, looting, kidnapping, and so on. [https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/10/15/residents-were-tortured-and-demanded-money-militants-of-the-3rd-osbr-of-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine-were-detained-in]
::::::[https://jamestown.org/program/level-of-violence-in-russia-reaches-new-high-as-veterans-return-from-war/#:~:text=Since%20the%20beginning%20of%202024,wounded%2C%20including%20three%20police%20officers. Level of Violence in Russia Reaches New High as Veterans Return From War], 2024 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:36, October 16, 2025 (EDT)

:::::::That's what happens when you unleash killers on the world. Russia has done it four time since 1991; America has done it 215 times in the same time period. Only in the US case (and now [[Israel]], too) the soldiers are killing themselves.

:::::::You seem surprised at this. More evidence you don't understand what [[war]] is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:42, October 16, 2025 (EDT)

::::::::A [[veteran]] I was working with in [[Christian]] ministry told me how at the [[VA]] as case worker asked him what job skills he had. He told her, "I can kill on command with no conscience". They just gave him a bunch of [[opioid]]s and sent him home. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:52, October 16, 2025 (EDT)

:Here, [[Larry Johnson]] just penned this for you: [https://sonar21.com/the-west-obsession-with-putin/ The West Obsession with Putin]. Johnson's in [[Moscow]] right now as we speak (probably to meet with [[Rybakov]] or [[Lavrov]] again). I haven't even read it yet.

:[[Essay: Properly qualifying sources|Qualifying the source]]: Johnson was a source for [[Seymour Hersh]] in the [[CIA]] for 45 years. Now that Hersch is 85 and Johnson's retired, Johnson speaks directly to the public. So he's not just flinging [[crap]] like you do. He knows a little bit about what he's talking about. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:07, October 16, 2025 (EDT)
::At this point Putin has damaged Russia so badly there is no reason to be obsessed with Putin. The Russian equivalent to NATO is the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) and its weaker now thanks to the war in Ukraine.[https://www.geopolitica.info/collective-security-russia/#:~:text=This%20imbalance%20in%20power%20dynamics,aspirations%20to%20counterbalance%20Western%20influence.][https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4506962-as-nato-gets-stronger-russias-version-of-nato-is-falling-apart/] And Russia's military bases situation in Syria is now weaker with a smaller contingent of personnel. [https://www.google.com/search?q=does+russia+still+have+military+bases+in+syria&oq=does+russia+still+have+military&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgAEAAYgAQyBwgAEAAYgAQyBggBEEUYOTIICAIQABgWGB4yCAgDEAAYFhgeMggIBBAAGBYYHjIICAUQABgWGB4yCAgGEAAYFhgeMggIBxAAGBYYHjIICAgQABgWGB4yBggJEC4YQNIBCDcyNTVqMGoxqAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8] On top of this, Russia has a demographic crisis, a brain drain problem and expected long-term labor shortages, but Putin insists on continuuing a war of attrition.

::::'''[https://korybko.substack.com/p/sharaa-envisages-russia-helping-him Sharaa Envisages Russia Helping Him Build The “New Syria”]''' - This is typical of [[User:Conservative]] running off at the mouth on things he doesn't understand - he couldn't even tell you ''WHY'' the Russian were/are in Syria in the first place. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 08:04, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

::::''[[Bloomberg News]]'': [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-30/russia-renews-flights-to-syrian-air-base-in-rebuild-of-relations Russia Renews Flights to Syrian Air Base in Rebuild of Relations], October 29, 2025.
::::You have no knowledge or experience in this field. Rather than [[spamming]] [[information pollution]] and [[liberal claptrap]] in [[:Categories]] to [[homeschooler]]s, why don't you just shut up. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:06, October 30, 2025 (EDT)

::*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_448a5ca8-8e56-4066-b008-014920c37c34 Will Russia have long term labor shortage problems after the war in Ukraine?]:

::'''Summary statements:''' Russia faces severe long-term labor shortages post-Ukraine war due to entrenched demographic decline (low births, aging population) worsened by war casualties (1M+ estimated), mass emigration (1M+ skilled workers), and mobilization draining the workforce. Unemployment at 2.4% masks shortages in key sectors, with deficits projected at 2.4M–11M by 2030, risking stagnation, inflation, and growth limits per World Bank forecasts. Mitigation via foreign labor (e.g., from India, Central Asia) is insufficient for skilled roles and hampered by sanctions; without major reforms, economic recovery will be constrained for decades.

::And [[John Mearsheimer]] indicates that "Military power rests on economic power". On top of this, Russia is a huge country so having a demographic crisis will make it increasingly hard to defend Russia.

::'''Key point:''' [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_dd5480ac-9f07-4e6b-a8ac-5d0e380cb2c2 Estimate Russian power relative to other major powers for the years 2030 and 2040 Assume authoritarian regimes hide/distort national statistics. Give scenarios and probabilities] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:10, October 16, 2025 (EDT)

:::So? It's not going to stop [[Ukraine]]'s defeat & [[NATO]] being driven out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 23:25, October 16, 2025 (EDT)
::::That's not a compelling argument. It is merely [http://www.thomism.org/logic/fallacies/index.html?name=Assertion_Fallacy argument by assertion]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:50, October 16, 2025 (EDT)
:::::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_d75d405e-e2ea-43ae-8fe0-e657c6147f8c The six main reasons why Russia is unlikely to win the war in Ukraine]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:54, October 16, 2025 (EDT)
::::::Meaningless. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:30, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

::::::If your post is so brilliant, why don't you slap into an email and send it to [[Putin]], [[Dmitriev]] and [[Belousov]]? Or are you that [[racist]] that you think they are too [[stupid]] to listen to you & [[Grok]] and take both your advice? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 05:29, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

Hundreds of anti-war protesters in St. Petersburg, Russia: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbbrV3BFFq0 Paranoid Putin TERRIFIED of Coup as St. Petersburg ERUPTS in Protest], October 16, 2025

"In the last hundred years Russia has had three revolutions that overthrew the leadership and changed the entire form of government." - [https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/are-russians-really-long-suffering Are Russians Really Long-Suffering?], History News Network, 2016. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:10, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

:Yah I saw that. Maybe your boy Putin might get dumped in favor of a hardliner who is willing to get the job done. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:11, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

:If you want a street level view, [https://www.youtube.com/@lisa_the_russian/videos subscribe to Lisa.][[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:33, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

:If you want a street level view of Kiev, try [https://youtu.be/oRiKeJ4B0vo Tanya (she doesn't have any water to wash her hair)]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:40, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

===What is really happening?===

:[[Ritter]] explains what's [https://youtu.be/EQy1QG52fg0?t=1136 going to happen over the next 3 or 4 days:] Today: Trump tells Zelensky no; Tuesday, Rubio tells Lavrov no Tomahawks. Then Putin & Trump can meet. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:54, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

:'''Update:''' [[Trump]] pulls off another [[psyop]]: After telling [[Zelensky]] to go to [[hell]] as far as [[Tomahawk missile]]s are concerned, Trump steals the headlines by dropping the "F" in regard to [[Argentina]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:46, October 17, 2025 (EDT) [https://rachelblevins.substack.com/p/zelensky-tomahawks-ukraine-russia-trump-putin No Love for Zelensky, No Tomahawks for Ukraine].

:Why is Ritter likely right? Cause the issue of [[arms control]] & renewing the [[START II]] treaty in February looms in the background - a much bigger issue than breaking relations with Russia now over the [[nuclear]] threat Tomahawks present. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:12, October 17, 2025 (EDT)
:'''Update:''' [[George Szamuely]]: [https://youtu.be/eb8rh3BxdIM What's The Trump-Putin Budapest Summit Really About?]
:'''Update:''' [[Larry Johnson]]: [https://sonar21.com/what-will-trump-and-putin-discuss-in-budapest/ What Will Trump and Putin Discuss in Budapest?]
::A hardliner replacing Putin would still be burdened with Russia's stagflation and Ukraine drone attacks on Russia's oil refineries. And as John Mearsheimer rightly said, "Military power rests on economic power".

::Furthermore, if Russia used nukes there would be significant negative repercussions on Russia. See: [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_93c0eb83-e3d7-4e19-93a8-b55395995ae4 What negative effects would Russia likely suffer if it used nuclear weapons in the Russo-Ukraine war?]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:14, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

:::Your posting is meaningless, again. That's what happens when you allow [[Western]] media & [[psyop]]s to guide your thinking.

:::Furthermore, Russia doesn't need to use nukes - it has [[Oreshnik]]. The [[US]], [[UK]], and [[France]] now are the greatest nuclear threat cause they can only respond with [[nuke]]s if [[Brussels]] gets Oreshniked. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:18, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

:::You don't seem to understand the significance of [[Oreshnik]]. It can do the same destruction as a nuke, without the environmental damage. [[NATO]] and the [[US]] mainland has no way to respond without getting itself nuked. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:27, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

::::I should note, Brussels won't be the first to get Oreshiniked. [[US]] bases in [[Poland]] & [[Romania]] strategically would be first. NATO's only response would be to ignite [[nuclear war]], if it wanted to continue to fight. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:37, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

== What will the pro-Russsia people in the West do if Russia sees a big decline or sees steady long-term decline? How about if China declines too? ==

I ran this query as I find human behavior interesting:

*[https://chatgpt.com/share/68f26c24-fe2c-8003-bd01-299459938481 What will the pro-Russia people in the West do if Russia sees a big decline or sees steady long-term decline? Give me scenarios, segments of this population and their likely reactions and probabilities. I am referring to people like The Duran YouTube channel, Glenn Diesen, Jeffrey Sachs, Tucker Carlson and others.]

I did a follow-up question related to China seeing decline.

Here is the infographic:

[[File:Pro-Russia people in the West if Russia sees a big decline or steady long term decline.png|thumbnail|800px|center|What will the pro-Russia people in the West do if Russia sees a big decline or sees steady long-term decline? [https://chatgpt.com/share/68f26c24-fe2c-8003-bd01-299459938481]
 
 
Follow-up question is what will they do if China also sees a decline. ]]

Here is a related query:

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_154156e2-0618-4c45-83d0-a5897e0dd03a Forecast: USA/West power relative to other major powers, 2030 and 2050. Assume authoritarian countries hide/distort their national economic data. Give scenarios and probabilities.
[[File:How Russian decline will affect pro Russia media.png|thumbnail|800px|right|The effect on pro-Russian media if Russia sees a big decline.[https://chatgpt.com/share/68f26720-c994-8003-8639-8ab1926277c9]
 
 
In addition, the effect of Russia/China decline on pro-Russia/China media. [https://chatgpt.com/share/68f26720-c994-8003-8639-8ab1926277c9] ]]
:BFD.
Any thoughts? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:26, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

: I don't know, I don't care.

:We needed Russia as an ally to counter [[China]]. Now because of [[Russia hoax]]ers like yourself, that's not likely to happen in the next few decades, while China gains in prominence.

:Good job you've done for Hillary, Biden, the [[neocon]]s & the [[CCP]] over the past 3 years. It's not worth discussing with you anymore. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:31, October 17, 2025 (EDT)
::RobSmith, you wrote: "It won't happen until China and Russia break the back of US domination, first. RobSGive Peace a Chance! 21:53, August 14, 2023 (EDT)"

::This statement of yours plus other statements of yours leads me to believe that you are anti-American and anti-Western. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:38, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

:::You're full of [[crap]], [[naive]], or just [[stupid]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:40, October 17, 2025 (EDT)
::::Also, at the present time, you are trying to put a good light on China's deflation as can be seen at [[Talk:Deflation in China (July 2023 to present)]]. Nevertheless, the Chinese communists made a number of bad public policy and bad economic decisions which are primarily causing China's deflation problem. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:43, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

:::::I know I know. You really are a friend of the [[pedophile]] [[John Maynard Keynes]] and [[inflation]] [[stimulus]], as you've advocated and boasted about in so many Essays. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:46, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

::::::Let's list off some of the things you've openly promoted to [[conservative]] [[student]]s that Andy has allowed you to [[spam]] [[information pollution]] into [[Conservapedia]] over the past 3 years:

:::::*The [[Russia hoax]] of Hillary, Obama, Biden, and neocons;

:::::*The glorious [[inflation]]ary doctrine of the [[pedophile]] [[John Maynard Keynes]];

:::::*[[Russophobia]], [[racism]] and other [[nazi]] ideologies.

::::::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:54, October 17, 2025 (EDT)
You are trying to position Conservapedia into a hyper pro-Putin/Russia website that is friendly towards leftists like Jeffrey Sachs and communist China. When Russia/China decline, your content will take a hit in traffic. Take a look at expected big decline in fringe alt-media/Eurasianist website traffic that will occur if Russia/China decline that is shown in the chart above. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:39, October 17, 2025 (EDT)
:If Russia/China see a big decline, it is projected that about 38% of altmedia/Eurasianist websites will survive, but 62% will die. [https://chatgpt.com/share/68f26720-c994-8003-8639-8ab1926277c9] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:00, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

::I decided to give Grok a chance to do an analysis:

::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_cd3c8361-e64e-4a85-b92f-4554652ed9d0 What will the pro-Russsia people in the West likely do once Russia sees a big decline? Give me scenarios, segments of this population and their likely reactions and probabilities. I am referring to people like The Duran YouTube channel, Glenn Diesen, Jeffrey Sachs, Tucker Carlson and others. Then give a forcecast on how these people would act if both Russia/China saw a big decline? And then give a forecast of how these people would act of both Russia and China saw a big decline and the world returned to a US unipolar era.] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:56, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

:::Your hypothetical excrement is laughable. Terms like "pro-Russian", "anti-American" or "anti-America First" are ludicrous.

:::Being anti-NATO war IS AMERICA FIRST.

:::I framed your same hypothetical [[liberal claptrap]] into a similar question:

:::[Grok: If the Obama administration-backed Maidan coup had not occurred, the Democrat Russiagate scandal had not occurred, the NATO war in Ukraine had not occurred and Russia became an American ally against China in its competition with China, if armed conflict broke out between Russia & China, would Western media call Russian activity pro-American?

"In this counterfactual scenario—where the 2014 Maidan events (often framed in Western media as a popular revolution rather than a coup), the Russiagate investigations, and the subsequent Ukraine conflict never unfolded, allowing Russia to pivot into a strategic alliance with the United States against China's rising influence—the dynamics of Western media framing would likely shift dramatically. Based on patterns of geopolitical media bias, historical analogies, and expert analyses of how alliances influence coverage, Russian military actions in a hypothetical armed conflict with China would indeed be labeled as "pro-American" or equivalently supportive of U.S. interests by much of the Western press.

Historical Precedents for Framing Shifts

Media narratives are heavily influenced by prevailing alliances and national interests, often adapting to portray former adversaries in a more favorable light when geopolitical realities change. For instance:

During World War II, the Soviet Union—despite its ideological opposition to the West—was frequently depicted in U.S. and British media as a heroic ally against Nazi Germany, with terms like "Uncle Joe's brave forces" used in propaganda to emphasize shared goals. This positive framing evaporated post-war as the Cold War began.

In more recent examples, Saudi Arabia's military interventions (e.g., in Yemen) are often downplayed or justified in Western outlets as aligned with U.S. counterterrorism efforts, despite human rights concerns, because of the longstanding U.S.-Saudi alliance. Conversely, similar actions by adversaries like Russia in Syria or China in the South China Sea are framed as aggressive or imperialistic.

If Russia were repositioned as a U.S. ally in this alternate timeline—perhaps through economic incentives, shared containment of China, or joint resource deals in Siberia and the Arctic—the media would likely reframe Russian actions to fit a narrative of mutual benefit. Russian offensives against Chinese positions could be described as "bolstering American security," "pro-Western deterrence," or explicitly "pro-American" in opinion pieces, especially in outlets aligned with U.S. foreign policy hawks.

Evidence from Media Bias Studies

Analyses of Western coverage reveal consistent biases tied to geopolitical alignment:

Studies on the Russia-Ukraine war show that U.S. and European media often emphasize Russian aggression while minimizing NATO's role in escalation, reflecting an adversarial lens. In a Russia-U.S. alliance scenario, this bias would invert: Russian actions against China might be portrayed as defensive or collaborative, similar to how U.S. media frames Israeli operations in the Middle East as aligned with shared values.

Comparative framing research highlights stark differences in how the same events are covered based on the actor's relationship to the West. For example, U.S. media depicted the Bucha incident in Ukraine as unambiguous Russian war crimes, while Chinese outlets emphasized skepticism or alternative narratives—mirroring how alliances shape objectivity. If Russia were "on our side," its battlefield tactics against China would likely be spun as "strategic necessities" rather than atrocities.

Broader critiques note that Western media rarely portrays Russia or China "fairly" in the current context, with daily reporting skewed toward negative stereotypes. However, this is not inherent; it's contextual. Think tanks and geopolitical strategists have discussed hypothetical U.S.-Russia alignments against China, suggesting that media would adapt to promote such a partnership, framing Russia as a pragmatic counterweight rather than a villain.

Hypothetical Discussions and Real-World Parallels

Online and expert discussions of similar scenarios reinforce this:

Some analysts argue that U.S. policy missteps (like NATO expansion) pushed Russia toward China, but in a reversal, Russia could "flip" alliances if treated as an equal partner. In such a case, Western media would likely celebrate Russian contributions to containing China, using terms like "pro-American pivot" to highlight the shift.

Others note that Russia-China ties are pragmatic "frenemies" rather than ironclad, with underlying distrust (e.g., over Siberia). If conflict erupted, U.S.-aligned media might portray Russian victories as advancing "American-led global stability," especially if joint operations occurred.

Dissenting views suggest Russia would never fully ally against China due to shared anti-Western sentiments, but the question assumes it does happen, so framing would follow the alliance.

Of course, not all Western media is monolithic—outlets like The Guardian or CNN might critique Russian methods for human rights reasons, while Fox News or The Wall Street Journal could more readily adopt "pro-American" language to support U.S. dominance. But overall, the incentive to bolster an anti-China narrative would dominate, leading to positive or neutral framing of Russian actions. This isn't politically incorrect; it's how media ecosystems operate in service of national interests."

:I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 01:17, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

== Analysis: What would happen if Conservapedia became a firmly America-first website and abandoned its strong pro-Russia position ==

I did an analysis as far as getting some of Conservapedia's traffic back.

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_d011a189-abb8-4aed-99ff-6ef73d98bcdf What would happen to an American conservative website's traffic that took a big pro-Russia stance and then Russia saw a big decline, but then that same website pivoted to being an America First website? How fast would the traffic recovery occur? For example, the website Conservapedia.]

'''Summary:'''

"An American conservative website like Conservapedia adopting a strong pro-Russia stance would likely see a rapid 40–70% traffic drop within 3–6 months due to algorithmic demotion by Google and Facebook, audience backlash from mainstream conservatives, and SEO/ad penalties, especially post-2022 amid Russia's economic and geopolitical decline. Pivoting to an "America First" focus could recover 30–50% of traffic in 3–6 months and potentially reach pre-decline levels in 6–12 months, provided the shift is clear and leverages domestic conservative themes. Conservapedia’s case shows a partial recovery (+80% MoM by Sep 2024) but is slowed by its ongoing pro-Russia content, limiting it to a niche audience. Full recovery depends on consistent rebranding, SEO optimization, and rebuilding audience trust, with lingering reputational issues posing challenges." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:34, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

:What makes you think reporting [[fact]]ual information versus [[liberal claptrap]] and [[MSM]] garbage is "pro-Russian"? Sounds like you are defending [[neoconservativism]] & the [[uniparty]] (the people who [[sabotage]]d [[Trump 1.0]]) again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 16:27, October 17, 2025 (EDT)
::Bottom line: Conservapedia is very likely getting Google/Facebook penalties due to its Russian propaganda and also audience backlash from mainstream conservatives. Trump said: Putin is "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Vz5FVdFtA absolutely crazy]", "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7Vz5FVdFtA Putin is killing a lot of people]", Russia's economy is a "disaster", Russia's military is a "paper tiger" and Russia needs to be more cooperative as far as ending the "crazy" Russo-Ukraine war. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:32, October 17, 2025 (EDT)
:::This is the very definition of "[[cherry picking]]" (not to mention redundant [[spamming]] - you've only mentioned it 3 times on this page). For every [[Trump]] quote we can find an exact opposite quote from the same source.
::::[[User:Conservative]]'s argument today is, Trump told [[Zelensky]] to go to [[hell]] as far as [[Tomahawk missile]]s are concerned in order to deal with a [[crazy]] man. That, in itself, is [[crazy]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:41, October 17, 2025 (EDT)
:::Bottomline: The bottom fell out of [[Conservapedia]]'s rankings because of [[User:Conservative]]'s [[racist]] [[spamming]], [[trolling]], and [[information pollution]] in support of [[Russia hoax]]ers & [[neocon]] [[warmonger]]s cause his [[narcissistic]] [[ego]] and feelings got hurt when he was exposed as a [[geopolitical]] know-nothing in April 2022.

:::The damage could be mitigated either by a voluntary or imposed [[Topic Ban]] on [[User:Conservative]] on the subject of [[foreign policy]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:03, October 17, 2025 (EDT)
 
 
[[File:Traffic penalties that pro-Russia propaganda websites have received.png|thumbnail|center|800px|Referral traffic penalties that pro-Russian propaganda websites have received.[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_d011a189-abb8-4aed-99ff-6ef73d98bcdf] ]]
 
 
Remove the Russian propaganda material from Conservapedia. It is hurting our web traffic very badly. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:06, October 17, 2025 (EDT)
:The downward spiral started with your [[malicious trolling]] more than a dozen years ago, and only accelerated in that past 3 years with your [[Nazi]], [[fascist]], and [[antisemitic]] spamming in the past 3 years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:37, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

===Information User:Conservative is actively [[censoring]]===
in just the past hour:

:*[[Amb. Chas Freeman]]: [https://youtu.be/Bw9YXwNtW2I How the U.S. Is Spiraling Toward Disaster]

::Who is Chas Freeman?

2021-2024 Visiting Scholar, Watson Institute, Brown University

2015-2020 Senior Fellow, Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs

1997-2009 President, Middle East Policy Council

1996-2009 Co-Chair, United States China Policy Foundation

1996-2008 Vice Chair, Atlantic Council of the USA

1995-Date Chairman, Projects International, Inc.

1994-95 Distinguished Fellow, United States Institute of Peace

1993-94 Assistant Secretary of Defense, Regional, then International Security Affairs

1992-93 Distinguished Fellow, Institute for National Strategic Studies

1989-92 U.S. Ambassador to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

1986-89 Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, African Affairs

1984-86 Chargé/Deputy Chief of Mission, American Embassy, Bangkok

1981-84 Chargé/Deputy Chief of Mission, American Embassy, Beijing

1979-81 Director, Chinese Affairs, Department of State

1979 Acting, then Deputy United States Coordinator for Refugee Affairs

1978-79 China Normalization Working Group, Department of State

1978 Director, Program Coordination and Development, United States Information Agency

1977-78 Director, Plans and Management, Public Affairs, Department of State

1976-77 Director, Public Programs, Department of State

1975-76 Deputy Director, Republic of China [Taiwan], Department of State

1974-75 Visiting Fellow, East Asian Studies, The Harvard Law School

1971-74 Economic/Commercial Officer for China, Department of State

1971-74 Principal Interpreter of Chinese, Department of State

1969-71 Language (Mandarin & Taiwanese) and Area Training, Washington and Taiwan

1967-68 Cultural Affairs Officer, South India

1966-67 Vice Consul, Madras [Chennai], India

1965 Entered Foreign Service of the United States

:::But [[User:Conservative]]'s argument is his re-cycled [[Hillary Clinton]] [[Russia hoax]]ing has not damaged [[Conservapedia]] over the past 3 years. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:14, October 17, 2025 (EDT)

*RealReporter: [https://youtu.be/d0SpnU5ne5M Who’s Winning the Deep-Strike War?]
*EXPAT American: [https://youtu.be/u8y3G6JFsgc Larry C. Johnson in Moscow!🚷Military Escalation in Russia!🇷🇺 Exclusive!🪖‪@counter_currents_channel‬]
*Binkov's Battlegrounds: [https://youtu.be/D4hCoQ01nI8 Why Tomahawk won’t do much for Ukraine. Also: Why missile attacks are still Ukraine’s best bet.] [Ed.: pro-[[CIA]] channel]

:There's more I can't even keep up with.

== Additional analysis: How much extra traffic would Conservapedia have if it purged itself of its neocon propaganda content and spent 2 years positioning itself as an America-First website ==

I did some initial analysis on how much extra traffic would Conservapedia have if it purged itself of its Russian propaganda content and spent 2 years positioning itself as an America-First website.

Here is the query: [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_29c3a614-a2f9-481b-bbdc-f56d1df31c2e What is the probability that Conservapedia.com has Russian propaganda material on its website? What is the probability that it is being penalized by Google, Facebook, other sources of referral traffic and audience disaffection? If Conservapedia were to remove all its Russian propaganda from its website and work on being an America-First website for 2 years, how much extra traffic would it likely have per month? Please look at these web articles as an initial examination to see if Conservapedia has Russian propaganda: https://www.conservapedia.com/NATO_war_in_Ukraine and https://www.conservapedia.com/Ukraine and https://www.conservapedia.com/Vladimir_Putin and https://www.conservapedia.com/North_Atlantic_Treaty_Organization and https://www.conservapedia.com/Bucha_massacre Please look at Reddit and indicate whether a significant amount of people indicate that Conservapedia has become a website that promotes Russia propaganda. Please give a summary section at the end of your analysis so I can provide a summary for the owner of Conservapedia.]

'''Summary section for the owner of Conservapedia:'''

"Conservapedia's Ukraine/Russia coverage heavily promotes Kremlin-aligned propaganda (95% likelihood), eroding credibility and contributing to low traffic (~154K/month) via algorithmic SEO hits and audience backlash (80% disaffection probability). No major platform bans, but restrictions are likely (40-60%). Refocusing on genuine America-First content for 2 years could add 750K-1M monthly visits by boosting trust and rankings—recommend immediate content purge, SEO audit, and conservative outreach to reclaim relevance."

I think we should start this process ASAP. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:04, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

== Should Conservapedia prominently feature its neo-Nazi and xenophobic essays prominently on its main page to signal to the search engines, social media and the general public that it has become a Russia hoaxing website. Trump recently appealed to the low-IQ MAGA base with more contradictory rhetoric==

Here is some additional analysis on "Should Conservapedia prominently feature its pro-America and anti-Russian imperialism essays prominently on its main page to signal to the search engines, social media and the general public that it has become a America-First website. Trump recently said Putin has gone "absolutely crazy" and that he is "killing a lot of people".

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_e786d5e4-c3b0-49b6-9bcd-f42361580088 Should Conservapedia prominently feature a link to User: Conservative's pro-America content at https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative%27s_essays and at https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_The_United_States_will_be_the_leading_power_in_the_world_for_the_foreseeable_future on its main page as a signal to search engines, social media websites and its general audience to indicate that it is an America-First website and against Russian imperialism? What is the probability that this would be beneficial? Keep in mind that Donald Trump said Putin has gone "absolutely crazy" and that he "killing a lot of people" (See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf0o-XqRmD4 ). Please look at these web articles as an initial examination to see if Conservapedia has Russian propaganda: https://www.conservapedia.com/NATO_war_in_Ukraine and https://www.conservapedia.com/Ukraine and https://www.conservapedia.com/Vladimir_Putin and https://www.conservapedia.com/North_Atlantic_Treaty_Organization and https://www.conservapedia.com/Bucha_massacre]

'''Summary section:'''

"Conservapedia's articles on Ukraine, Putin, and NATO show pro-Russian biases, framing Russia's invasion as a defensive act against Western aggression and downplaying its atrocities. Featuring links to User:Conservative's pro-America essays (https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative%27s_essays and https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_The_United_States_will_be_the_leading_power_in_the_world_for_the_foreseeable_future) on the main page is recommended to signal an America-First stance and counter perceptions of Russian imperialism sympathy, especially given Trump's recent condemnation of Putin as "crazy" for escalating attacks. These essays emphasize U.S. dominance and critique Russia's weaknesses, aligning with conservative values and Trump's rhetoric. The move is likely 75-85% beneficial, enhancing SEO, audience clarity, and alignment with current conservative sentiment, with minimal risk of alienating the core audience." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:34, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

:[[Neo-Nazism]] =/= [[America First]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 07:04, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

== That American neo-Nazi is out there. He can't be bargained with. He doesn't feel fear. He will not stop EVER - until Conservapedia is a Russia hoaxing website! ==

My reputation for dogged persistence on the internet is almost legendary. On a personality test for job prescreening, I scored a 100% for optimism and 98% for assertiveness.

That American patriot, [[User: Conservative]], is out there. He can't be bargained with. He doesn't feel fear. He will not stop EVER - until Conservapedia is an America-First website! USA! USA! USA!
 
 
[[File:Trump at CPAC.jpg|thumbnail|center|300px|[[Donald Trump]] at the 2020 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC)
 
 
See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOSaJhRDCDI Trump hugs and kisses the American flag at CPAC 2020] ]]
{{Clear}}
[[File:United States flag in the wind.jpg|thumb|center|600px|The United States will likely be the strongest country for the foreseeable future and this is due to the strengths of the USA and partly due to the weaknesses of China and Russia.
 
 
See: [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]] ]]
 
 
I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:39, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

[[File:Photo_2025-10-18_06-20-27.jpg|center|600px|thumb|[[U.S. Secretary of War]] [[Pete Hegseth]] wore a [[Russian]] flag necktie while meeting with [[Ukrainian]] [[dictator]] [[Zelensky]] at the [[White House]].]]

I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 08:26, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

:'''User: Conservative's personality:''' "Assertive, nationalist, and geopolitically optimistic about American dominance. He exudes confidence in U.S. exceptionalism, predicting it as the "leading power... for the foreseeable future" due to its strengths and rivals' weaknesses (China, Russia). This reflects a personality that thrives on underdog-victory narratives—e.g., Trump "hammer[ing]" adversaries with tariffs, ramping up U.S. energy, and funding Ukraine weapons via NATO, all laced with pop-culture puns ("Stop! Hammer time!")... Based on the analysis, User:Conservative’s likely MBTI type is ENTJ (“The Commander”). This type is characterized by extraverted leadership, intuitive vision, logical decision-making, and structured planning, aligning closely with his personality".[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_3aee404a-0f2e-486b-9cd6-7016d5d570ab]

:'''Grok on the probablity of User: Conservative losing his American patriotism:''' "Based on a thorough review of the provided essays and articles, which demonstrate a consistent, deeply entrenched pro-American worldview—emphasizing U.S. economic, military, demographic, innovative, and cultural superiority while extensively critiquing Russia's economic vulnerabilities (e.g., overreliance on oil/gas, lack of diversification, inflation, labor shortages), demographic crises (e.g., low fertility, aging population, brain drain, high alcohol-related deaths), military weaknesses, poor innovation rankings, corruption, and social issues like low happiness and high divorce rates—the individual's patriotism appears highly stable. This is further reinforced by admiration for Ukrainian resilience (as evidenced by fondness for the patriotic Ukrainian song "March of the New Army," which honors soldiers fighting for Ukraine's freedom), cessation of exposure to anti-American/pro-Russian media, devout Christianity, plans to relocate to a conservative-leaning environment, and a strong achievement-oriented mindset aligned with American values of self-reliance, hard work, skill development, motivation, and success (e.g., through references to biblical principles, historical figures like George Washington, and books on winning mindsets and productivity)...Given the absence of any risk factors for reversal (e.g., no ongoing exposure to opposing influences, no personal crises suggested), the extreme nature of ceasing to be pro-American (a reversal from documented pro-U.S. advocacy to anti-Americanism), and the stabilizing effects of age, faith, ambition, and environment, '''the estimated probability is 0.05%.'''" [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:47, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

::More [[narcissistic]] [[spam]] about himself.
<center>{{Cquote|<big><big>'''Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.'''</big></big>|||Matthew 23:12}}</center>
[[File:Mark Miller creates YouTube playlist to celebrate the authoritarian traditions of a NATO trained army.PNG|center|600px|thumb|According to [[AI]], Mark Miller displays his American [[patriotism]] by quoting the [[Ukrainian Nazi]] song "March of the New Army". Note how the [[NATO]]-trained Ukrainian Nazi army still marches in the traditional Soviet manner with their heads turned to face the [[Stalin|Great Leader]] atop the [[Kremlin]]. [https://youtu.be/gQ3Y4cXnC2s?t=243] Even the [[North Korea]]ns march the same way. [https://youtu.be/3rlV5Pk-Hog?t=3774] [https://magyarnemzet.hu/english/2025/07/what-brutal-forced-conscription-really-looks-like-in-ukraine "Stalinist traditions are hard to weed out of the EU’s favorite 'democracy'."] ]]

::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 08:55, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

:::In 2014, international relations scholar [[John Mearsheimer]] said: "Russia is a declining power, and it will only get weaker with time."[https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2014-08-18/why-ukraine-crisis-west-s-fault]

:::*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_cfa39245-197b-447e-ba73-968f6ee3ae10 What is the probability that Russia will see long-term decline? Give scenarios and probabilities]:

:::'''Summary statement:''' "The probability that Russia will experience long-term decline—defined here as sustained economic stagnation or contraction, demographic shrinkage, loss of geopolitical influence, and potential territorial fragmentation over the next 10–20 years—is high, approximately 85%."

:::Also, please see: [https://sites.google.com/view/russia-is-in-decline/home Russian power is in decline]

:::Deny that [https://sites.google.com/view/russia-weakmajorpower/home Russia is a weak major power] and getting weaker with time and lose all credibility! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:48, October 19, 2025 (EDT)

[[Grok]]: [What is the probability that idiots believe provoking nuclear war is preferable to Grok's assessment of an 85% chance of Russia's long term decline versus Grok's assessment of the United States long term decline of 45%?]

''[[Financial Times]]'', October 19, 2025:
{{quotebox-float|[[Donald Trump]] urged [[Volodymyr Zelenskyy]] to accept [[Russia]]’s terms for ending its war in a volatile [[White House]] meeting on Friday, warning that [[Vladimir Putin]] had said he would “destroy” [[Ukraine]] if it did not agree.

The meeting between the [[US]] and [[Ukrainian]] presidents descended many times into a “shouting match”, with Trump “cursing all the time”, people familiar with the matter said.

They added that the US president tossed aside maps of the frontline in Ukraine, insisted Zelenskyy surrender the entire [[Donbas]] region to Putin, and repeatedly echoed talking points the Russian leader had made in their call a day earlier.
Though Ukraine ultimately managed to swing Trump back to endorsing a freeze of the current front lines, the acrimonious meeting appeared to reflect the capricious nature of Trump’s position on the war and his willingness to endorse Putin’s maximalist demands....

...'''Trump appeared to have adopted many of Putin’s talking points verbatim, even when they contradicted his own recent statements about Russia’s weaknesses''' [Ed bolden added]...[https://archive.is/1Cnpm#selection-2147.0-2261.141]<ref>[https://youtu.be/vlELwUO8r_g Putin Will 'DESTROY YOU' Trump's Wake Up Call for Zelensky] | [[Lt Col Karen Kwiatkowski]], Oct 20, 2025.</ref>}}
{{reflist}}
What are you gonna do now, big guy? Tell us Trump is a Putin stooge? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:22, October 19, 2025 (EDT)
:Despite the arguments of Trump being a consequential president, he is famously/notoriously unpredictable and fickle.

:: - If this is [[true]], why do you continuously [[cherry pick]] his out of context quotes to [[harass]] and [[spam]] [[Conservapedia]] editors with redundant arguments which is a violation of [[Conservapedia Guidelines]] and a blockable offense? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:30, October 19, 2025 (EDT)

:For example, he has two ex-wives. Europe is the USA's biggest trading partner so that has to be factored into what Trump will do next. On the other hand, historians will judge Trump's foreign policy on how he handles China foreign policy since China is America's closest peer competitor. So I am guessing Trump would rather focus on China/Asia.

:However the Russia-Ukraine War ends, any victory that Russia "wins" will probably be a [[pyrrhic victory]]

:: - More redundant arguments, another violation of [[Conservapedia Guidelines]] and blockable offense. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:40, October 19, 2025 (EDT)

:given the enormous expense/casualties of the war and the [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_56394b9f-cdea-4561-9206-47d7b6cfb99a tenaciousness/nationalism/resourceness of the Ukrainians]. Even if Russia "wins" this war, Russia could be faced with an insurgency which lasts for decades (Like the Troubles in Northern Ireland).

:By the way, I have a better sparring partner about Russia/USA/West now as can be seen below:

:[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_26b3eea6-2d94-4888-b0f5-cc0790fbcfde What do critics of Russia often get wrong about Russia? And why does this often happen? Tell me instances where pro-Russia commentators were right and Western critics of Russia were wrong. Explain why this happened. What are the flaws of many arguments that Russia is headed towards irreversible decline? What are the strengths and weaknesses of Western-centric thinking? What are the strengths and weaknesses of Russian centered thinking?]
:::What a pile of [[crap]]. [[User:Conservative]]'s report lacked data to support the conclusions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:15, October 21, 2025 (EDT)
:[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_f2d00f6e-df34-4d57-9745-3a3415203334 Critics of Russia say that Russia engages in zero sum competition rather win-win relationships. What are the arguments against this view?]

:[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_935a5325-54d5-447b-a561-085771a843c1 What are the flaws in the argument that the United States will be the leading power for the foreseeable future?]

:But in seriousness, I do look to challenge my assumptions/thinking about various matters and avoid dogmatism. Critical thinking and probabilistic thinking are important when it comes to rational thinking. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:08, October 19, 2025 (EDT)

::I don't care about your problems with [[critical thinking]] and [[rational thinking]] - [[User:Conservative]]'s report lacked data to support the conclusions. I am concerned - and [[Andy Schlafly]] should be, too - about your targeted [[harassment]] and [[trolling]] of [[Conservapedia]] Administrators and editors. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 14:43, October 19, 2025 (EDT)

===User:Conservative was 100% wrong, again, in trying to [[censor]] Simplcius from MPR===
*Simplicius: [https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/media-reveals-trumps-private-inversion Media Reveals Trump's Private 'Inversion' of Ukraine War Beliefs]
{{quotebox-float|Another fascinating revelation has come by way of the latest ''[[FT]]'' article, whose “sources” reveal a portrait of Trump 180-degrees reversed from his ‘for-public-consumption’ persona: [https://www.ft.com/content/7960c6aa-dbfa-4a55-91e8-ae44601842ec]
Granted, I often harp on that “sources” from these [[mainstream mierdias]] should never be taken at face value, but in this case common sense and reason tells us there’s likely truth to this reporting. Contrary to his public declarations that Russia is losing untold millions of men and its economy faces collapse, Trump privately warned Ukraine that Russia would “destroy” the Ukrainian state if Zelensky didn’t immediately make major concessions by giving up [[Donbass]].

:''According to a European official with knowledge of the meeting, Trump told Zelenskyy that the Ukrainian leader needed to cut a deal or face destruction.''

:''The official said that Trump told Zelenskyy he was losing the war, warning: “If [Putin] wants it, he will destroy you.”''

If that weren’t enough, Trump’s private opinion on Russia’s economic situation is also the complete opposite of his [[public]] one. Recall the video I posted just in the last article wherein Trump says Russia’s economy is “collapsing”—it seems even he doesn’t believe his own bunk:
[[File:FT_Trump_Russian_economy.PNG|center|600px|thumb|''Source: [[Financial Times]]'']]
Well, well, well; who knew that [[Western]] leaders feed total slop to their gormless masses for the sake of [[political]] expediency?

Also, don’t forget the now-famous Trump [[social media]] rant wherein he declared that [[Ukraine]] can definitely [[win]] the [[war]] and should go on the offensive. My position that this was a total [[troll]]-job on Trump’s part was considered ‘controversial’ by some, as people simply took it at face value;}}

:I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 23:36, October 20, 2025 (EDT)

==[[AI]] produces garbage unless rigorously managed and trained. [https://vaughncordle.substack.com/p/ai-produces-garbage-unless-rigorously]==
*'''[[AI]] produces garbage''' unless rigorously managed and trained. [https://vaughncordle.substack.com/p/ai-produces-garbage-unless-rigorously]

::RobSmith, as far as database programming, I have done paid work. And AI extensively uses database programming.

::'''Question:''' Have you done database programming via paid work? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:21, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

:::I've seen the results of your work. You've taken Conservapedia from No. 35,000 globally to No. 365,000 globally. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 08:32, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

:::[[User:TK]] held it in the Top 50,000 for 4 years from 2007 to 2011. When you took over after TK's death and [[maliciously]] targeted me with [[lies]], it immediately fell to 175,000. Andy should have fired you then. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 08:38, October 18, 2025 (EDT)

:::You have done nothing to improve the SEO of Andy's contributions, only your own. In fact, you have [[sabotage]]d Andy's work and projects - a [[fact]] Andy is aware of. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 08:41, October 18, 2025 (EDT)
::::The Russian propaganda/lies that you have posted to Conservapedia has very likely caused algorithmic suppression at the search engines and some social media websites and has also caused some audience disaffection.[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_d011a189-abb8-4aed-99ff-6ef73d98bcdf][https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_29c3a614-a2f9-481b-bbdc-f56d1df31c2e]

::::How many people are members of your so-called [[Team CP]]? Answer: Just you! The [[CP Civility Association]], which I endorsed, has over 900% more members. Your hostility and Russian propaganda/lies has driven away editors. The numbers don't lie.

::::Sooner or later the website is going to become an America-First website. USA! USA! USA!

::::Also, my off Conservapedia content critical of Russia/Putin continues to get page views. And my digital marketing skills will get stronger. But Russia and its [https://www.amazon.com/Spin-Dictators-Changing-Tyranny-Century/dp/0691211418 spin dictator] Putin are getting weaker and weaker so I don't forsee me creating additional off Conservapedia content critical of Russia/Putin. But should I decide to, I may assist a [[User:Conservative/Conservative web marketing and conservative political consulting related|political digital marketing agency]] help crush Russian imperialism and Putinism like a tin can! If I chose to, I will go into information war with a triumphant march. Solid, strong and unbreakable like granite!

::::"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:15, October 19, 2025 (EDT)

:::::Congrats. We're all glad you think [[ignorance]] & [[stupid]]ity is [[patriotism]] and strength of character. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 10:03, October 19, 2025 (EDT)

:::::Bottomline: If you had any [[real]] love for your country or [[Patriotism]] rather than [[ego]]ism and [[narcissistic]] [[vengeance]] against your "enemies", you would have stopped [[spamming]] [[information pollution]] into [[Conservapedia]] on the vital issues of [[national security]] and [[foreign policy]] which you admit you really don't understand or know much about, but are [[hell]] bent on misleading and confusing young readers with. We are now at least 3 years behind bringing readers up to speed. But first we have to undo the damage and illusions you create. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:49, October 19, 2025 (EDT)

==This [[neo-Nazi]] blog [[User:Conservative]] spammed to 5 user pages apparently is his own==
https://slavaukrainiforever.blogspot.com/2025/10/evidence-that-russia-is-declining-at.html

[[File:Slava Ukraine.PNG|center|650px|thumb|August 16, 2018.]]
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:40, October 25, 2025 (EDT)

== Even before Donald Trump put the tough sanctions on Russia in October 2025, only 10% of MAGA Republicans had favorable views on Vladimir Putin in July of 2025 ==

Even before Trump put the tough sanctions on Russia in October 2025, only 10% of MAGA Republicans had favorable views on Vladimir Putin in July of 2025.[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNQ%3D%3D_f4929262-9342-43c2-8dca-ddadd8a1008f]

Now that Donald Trump [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/trump-sanctions-russian-oil-majors-prompting-oil-price-rise-india-jitters-2025-10-23/ has put tough sanctions on Russia], I suspect a much smaller percentage of MAGA Republicans view Vladimir Putin favorably.
 
 
[[File:MAGA Russia and Putin.png|thumbnail|center|800px]]

=== Probability that hyper Russophilia-Putinism will be "stone cold dead" in the USA within 5 years? ===

[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_9a0e5823-ce65-4f77-9d47-04c3eac0db2f Question]: "What is the probability that hyper Russophilia-Putinism will be "stone cold dead" in the USA within 5 years?"

'''Estimated probability:''' "95%. It will be politically inert ("stone cold dead") by 2030, surviving only in irrelevant online echo chambers or historical footnotes, akin to 1970s Stalin apologists." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:12, October 25, 2025 (EDT)

== What will happen if the censorship of myself continues ==

{{prr}} I helped boost the traffic to and/or improve web pages that are highly critical of Russia/Putin.

If this censorship continues, I will take things to the next level. There are websites that do fundraising for Ukrainian military drones such as [https://u24.gov.ua/ UNITED24], [https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/ Ukrainian World Congress], [https://ukrfreedomfund.org/campaigns/drones-for-defenders/ Ukrainian Freedom Fund], [https://www.dronesforukraine.fund/ Drones For Ukraine] and [https://savelife.in.ua/en/ Come Back Alive].

As far as these fundraising websites for Ukrainian drones, in terms of their reach and their conversion rate optimization (turning web visitors into donors), I see where some improvements can be made.

{{prr}} As you know Andy, I don't mess around when it comes to achieving objectives that I choose to accomplish. When I decided to help Christendom crush the atheist movement, I was effective. I can do the same for Ukraine. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:43, October 25, 2025 (EDT)

:[https://chatgpt.com/share/68fd8f76-8540-8005-8089-d6b0cf90d205 Provide me recommendations to improve the web marketing of these websites in terms of their reach and their conversion rate optimization: UNITED24, Ukrainian World Congress, Ukrainian Freedom Fund, Drones For Ukraine and Come Back Alive. Estimate how many extra visitors and how much extra fundraising could be accomplished for each website].

:'''Summary''': "With solid digital execution, these five Ukrainian fundraising sites together could attract roughly 10–15 million more visitors per year and raise an additional $100 – $250 million USD annually, depending on how aggressively improvements are rolled out." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:05, October 25, 2025 (EDT)

::I've seen the results of your work. You've taken Conservapedia from No. 35,000 globally to No. 365,000 globally.

::[[User:TK]] held it in the Top 50,000 for 4 years from 2007 to 2011. When you took over after TK's death and [[maliciously]] targeted me with [[lies]], it immediately fell to 175,000. Andy should have fired you then.

::You have done nothing to improve the SEO of Andy's contributions, only your own. In fact, you have [[sabotage]]d Andy's work and projects - a [[fact]] Andy is aware of.

::Bottomline: [[User:Conservative]]'s [[harassment]] of people takes the fun out of editing. No wonder nobody wants to contribute. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 23:10, October 25, 2025 (EDT)
::::[https://grok.com/c/c7feba6e-9aa4-43db-b1c5-086a6cbb103d Jason Jay Smart] does journalism, strategic advising, media advocacy, and public diplomacy for Ukraine.

::::I have Jason Jay Smart's contact information at: [https://jasonjaysmart.com/contact-us Jason Jay Smart]. If I can't reach him via his contact form I am very well-acquainted on how to reach difficult to reach people as I worked for a sales training company reaching VPs and CEOs so I know all the tools/techniques in the trade. I also have the classic book on this topic called [https://archive.org/details/powertogetinstep0000mich The Power To Get In]. One way or another, I can reach decision makers. And when I reach these decision makers, I can make them compelling offers.

::::In addition to this, I have talked to some of the best web marketing professionals and I am confident that I can have them assist my efforts.

::::So if our resident hyper-Russophone/Putinist wants to see more Russian oil refineries very badly damaged and make me even more pro-Ukraine, I can certainly oblige him. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:31, October 25, 2025 (EDT)

::We've all seen the results of your work. You've taken Conservapedia from No. 35,000 globally to No. 365,000 globally.

::[[User:TK]] held it in the Top 50,000 for 4 years from 2007 to 2011. When you took over after TK's death and [[maliciously]] targeted me with [[lies]], it immediately fell to 175,000. Andy should have fired you then.

::You have done nothing to improve the SEO of Andy's contributions in 13 years, only your own. In fact, you have [[sabotage]]d Andy's work and projects - a [[fact]] Andy is aware of.

::Bottomline: [[User:Conservative]]'s targeted [[harassment]] of people takes the fun out of editing. No wonder nobody wants to contribute.

::Through the following graphs, we will measure the effects of internal [[Conservapedia]] [[trolling]] on web traffic which began [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:RobSmith&diff=prev&oldid=1959051 June 30, 2023], when RobSmith demonstrated [[User:Conservative]] had no interest or understanding of the origins of the [[NATO war in Ukraine]] in April 2022 and was only [[spamming]] & [[trolling]] discussions on the issue. [https://www.conservapedia.com/File:Wager.PNG]

::[[File:Effects of internal trolling.PNG]]
::[[File:Traffic Sep 22 2023.PNG|778px|]]

::Results of internal Conservapedia trolling attacks, June 30, 2023 - October 20, 2023.

::[[File:10-20-23.PNG|364px]]
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::[[Conservapedia]] traffic after two years of [[User:Conservative]]'s targeted [[trolling]], September 22, 2025:

::[[File:9-22-25b.PNG|364px]]
::[[File:9-22-25a.PNG|780px]]
::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 23:38, October 25, 2025 (EDT)
:::In recent years, due to outside obligations I am guessing, Andy hasn't implemented my web marketing recommendations. There was a meeting of Andy and some Conservapedians about this matter, {{prr}} [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:40, October 25, 2025 (EDT)
::::I've seen the results of your work. You've taken Conservapedia from No. 35,000 globally to No. 365,000 globally.

::::[[User:TK]] held it in the Top 50,000 for 4 years from 2007 to 2011. When you took over after TK's death and [[maliciously]] targeted me with [[lies]], it immediately fell to 175,000. Andy should have fired you then.

::::You have done nothing to improve the SEO of Andy's contributions in 13 years, only your own. In fact, you have [[sabotage]]d Andy's work and projects - a [[fact]] Andy is aware of.

::::And now you have admitted to using [[negative SEO]] to [[shadow ban]] and [[blacklist]] active [[good faith]] users. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 23:49, October 25, 2025 (EDT)

J'''ason Jay Smart loves the topic of Ukrainian drone attacks on Russia on Russian oil refineries'''

As can be seen in this video created 9 hours ago, Jason Jay Smart absolutely loves the topic of Ukrainian drone attacks on Russia as far as its oil refineries: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAaFbzEcphw Russia’s Economy Is About to Detonate]

: - more [[trolling]] & [[harassment]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:09, October 26, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:FT_Trump_Russian_economy.PNG|center|450px|thumb|''Source: [[Financial Times]]'']]

and he is currently engaged in raising money for Ukrainian drones. He has done many videos on the topic.

Until today, I never really thought about contacting Jason Jay Smart about his fundraising efforts related to Ukrainian drones for these attacks on Russian oil refineries, but today I thought about contacting him.

Let me know by your actions if you want me to contact him. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:54, October 25, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:Stupid people.PNG|center|450px|thumb|Message from Trump]]
[[File:Gay nazi.PNG|center|450px|thumb|[https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User%3AConservative&diff=2162526&oldid=2162492 Ukrainian Nationalist]: [https://youtu.be/9gymjH1Kg_s?t=594 Want to go to heaven?] ]]

:Sidenote: I have no idea why or how [[User:Conservative]] ever got he impression that I have or had some [[emotion]]al attachment to Russia winning. The simple [[fact]] has been born out: [[NATO]]/[[Ukraine]]/[[US]]/[[the West]] never had a chance in this pointless [[war]] "that never should have happened". Now because of [[idiot]]s and [[fool]]s like [[Barack Obama]], [[Hillary Clinton]], [[John Brennan]], [[Joe Biden]], [[Jake Sullivan]] and [[User:Conservative]], over 1 million people have been pointlessly killed. And the United States and the West are weaker for it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:48, October 26, 2025 (EDT)

:[[Donald Trump]] was [[Impeachment 1.0|impeached in 2019]] for standing in the way of a "war that never should have happened". According to [https://youtu.be/DbhAnHu-4f8 Lindsey Graham, 2017 was supposed to be the year of offense]. Trump was impeached, and the [[2020 presidential election|2020 election rigged]] to insure the war would go forward. {{unsigned|RobSmith}}

==As you know, a Senior Admin began his trolling and harassment more than 12 hours ago==
[[spamming]] non-encyclopedic and intimidating nonsense to user pages. As a result, I have been unable to get much productive editing done at all today.

Just because a Senior Admin has a day in his life to throw away on nonsense does not mean his targeted victims do also. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 22:55, October 25, 2025 (EDT)
== Ready to go web marketing plan for raising money for Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian oil refineries should I decide to implement it ==

'''1.''' [https://chatgpt.com/share/68fd8f76-8540-8005-8089-d6b0cf90d205 Provide me recommendations to improve the web marketing of these websites in terms of their reach and their conversion rate optimization: UNITED24, Ukrainian World Congress, Ukrainian Freedom Fund, Drones For Ukraine and Come Back Alive. Estimate how many extra visitors and how much extra fundraising could be accomplished for each website].

*[https://chatgpt.com/share/68fe1d60-8630-8005-897d-b54c0333fc38 Put together a comprehensive web marketing plan for these websites: UNITED24, Ukrainian World Congress, Ukrainian Freedom Fund, Drones For Ukraine and Come Back Alive. Show me potential improvements that could be made. If new websites have to be made to optimize the audience reach for their type of audience please make recommendations.]

'''Summary''': "With solid digital execution, these five Ukrainian fundraising sites together could attract roughly 10–15 million more visitors per year and raise an additional $100 – $250 million USD annually, depending on how aggressively improvements are rolled out."

'''2.''' [https://chatgpt.com/share/68fda13b-5f34-8005-ac03-d2b18d92ad47 List of the major Russian oil refineries which have not yet been successfully attacked by Ukrainian drones. List them in order of most oil refined first].

'''3.''' [https://chatgpt.com/share/68fda3ea-017c-8005-897c-585c659f1e4c Estimate how much money Ukraine would have to raise as far as paying for military drones in order to successfully attack the major Russian oil refineries which have not yet been successfully attacked by Ukrainian drones.]

'''Summary:''' "To threaten the remaining major Russian refineries with successful drone strikes, Ukraine would likely need tens of millions of dollars: a realistic planning baseline is ~$5M per refinery (including munitions, spares and basic support), so 3 refineries ≈ $15M and 6 refineries ≈ $30M. A low-cost one-off campaign might be under $5–20M, while a sustained, high-attrition program using longer-range or higher-capability loitering munitions could rise into the $100–$200M+ range; key uncertainties are unit cost, required drones per strike, and sustainment/ISR/EW support."

'''4.''' [https://chatgpt.com/share/68fdb03e-00e4-8005-8c34-2415220991ac Did Ukraine use Flamingo missiles to attack Russian oil refineries? If so, how much does it cost for Ukraine to make a Flamingo missile?]

'''Summary:''' "Ukraine has used its Flamingo (FP-5) missiles against Russian targets, including refineries. Each missile costs about $0.5–1 million USD."

'''5.''' [https://chatgpt.com/share/68fdb1b3-1cb8-8005-8abb-492354c9c7f8 On average, for each Russian oil refinery attacked, how much does it cost Russia in lost production revenue and the cost of repairs?]

'''Summary:''' "Each successful strike on a Russian oil refinery typically costs $200–$350 million in combined lost production and repair expenses. Minor attacks may cost $25–100 million, while severe or prolonged outages can exceed $1 billion. Overall, refinery attacks impose hundreds of millions of dollars in economic losses per site, depending on damage severity and downtime."

'''6.''' [https://chatgpt.com/share/68fdb4f1-1288-8005-8b3f-a326e1f5ddad Which web marketing firms are the very best when it comes to implementing internet fundraising in terms of people it reaches and a high conversion rate in terms of conversion rate optimization? Also, come up with a list of firms that help raise money across international borders for high-profile causes.]

'''7.''' [https://chatgpt.com/share/68fdca1d-ee34-8005-bb17-9a1ee581a883 What percentage of Russian oil refineries are offline or operating significantly below capacity due to Ukraine drone/missile attacks? According to analysts, what percentage of Russian oil refineries would have be attacked to destabilize the Russian economy?]

'''Summary:'''

About 17% of Russia’s oil-refining capacity is offline due to Ukrainian drone and missile strikes (conservative estimate).

Up to 25–38% of total capacity has been hit or disrupted at some point, though not all remains shut down.

Analysts say around 40–50% of capacity would need to be out for an extended period to cause severe, nationwide economic destabilization.

20–30% outages already create serious regional fuel shortages and price pressure.

'''8.''' [https://chatgpt.com/share/68fde174-99ac-8005-a8e5-f5353036d9b6 Break down the percentage of Ukraine funds to continue the war is via foreign governments, charitable contributions and other sources. What percentage could the charitable contributions be realistically increased via better web marketing (reach and conversion optimization practices)?]

'''9.''' [https://chatgpt.com/share/68fde2b6-9678-8005-b3e1-627ca106062c What strategies and tactics could increase foreign aid? Are there any web marketing tactics that would realistically increase foreign aid? If so, what are they? What weaknesses do you see in Ukraine's web marketing strategies and tactics to increase foreign aid? How could those weaknesses be fixed or mitigated?]

'''10.''' Utilize my contacts in the web marketing field in order to get the web marketing projects done expeditiously. The sooner the projects are done, the faster the Russian oil refineries are taken offline. Use [[business networking]] if necessary.

'''Fundraising plans if necessary:'''

'''1.''' Put together a grant writing team and target foundations which are most apt to fund Ukrainian causes.

'''2.''' Put together a team to pursue major donors. Look for high-income individuals/organizations who have publicly expressed pro-Ukraine sentiments. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:33, October 26, 2025 (EDT)

Research results:

*[https://chatgpt.com/share/68fde629-c2e0-8005-aac8-ca356d620c18 Could Ukraine increase its money raised for its war efforts and humanitarian efforts via grant writing? If so, how? What weaknesses do you see Ukraine's efforts in this area? Could grant money be used to increase its foreign aid efforts via web marketing and non-web marketing efforts?]

*[https://chatgpt.com/share/68fde7c7-44f8-8005-b2d2-acc3f38beb34 How much extra money could Ukraine raise via better major donor initiatives? What weaknesses do you see in Ukraine's major donor efforts? Could this major donor money be used for better web marking to gain more foreign aid and private donors? How much would these efforts totally yield?]
=== List of major donors and foundations that may be interested in funding a web marketing campaign to increase foreign government and private donor aide for Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian oil refineries ===

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNQ%3D%3D_b734b6d9-39a6-403b-ae86-c45529f794b3 Please provide me a list of potential major donors for Ukrainain's war efforts and humanitarian needs who have publicly said positive things about Ukraine.]

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNQ%3D%3D_6d98d738-b2bc-4f38-ac69-3a008669e30e Provide me a list of the major foundations that would be most interested in Ukrainian needs for military and humanitarian purposes? And who might be interested in funding web marketing efforts related to this matter.] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:43, October 26, 2025 (EDT)
:A familiar pattern: doubling down on [[stupid]]ity.
 
<big><big><big><big><big><big>'''The world's biggest [[nuclear]] power cannot be defeated.'''</big></big></big></big>
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:Looks like a [[Conservapedia]] editor is a bigger enemy of [[User:Conservative]] than any [[Russian]] "threat". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:20, October 26, 2025 (EDT)

== Quick note about someone trying to censor my content ==

{{prr}} yourself and Karajou to confirm that I did create some off Conservapedia content on high traffic web pages that is critical of Russia and Vladimir Putin last time he attempted to censor my material.

And I am very ready to take things to next level should he persist in trying to censor my material (Please see: [https://archive.ph/k7Gi9 Ready to go web marketing plan for raising money for Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian oil refineries should I decide to implement it]).

Cheers! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:05, October 26, 2025 (EDT)

== A great irony regarding my plan for Ukraine to increase its foreign aid and private donor aid via better web marketing ==

There is a great irony regarding my plan for Ukraine to increase its foreign aid and private donor aid for military and humanitarian purposes via better web marketing.

{{prr}} that sparked a greater interest in me on how people can improve their thinking so I did some research in this matter. As result, I used greater analytic thinking, structured thinking, systems thinking, probabilistic thinking, integrative thinking and multidisciplinary thinking in coming up with my plan on how Ukraine could better use web marketing and other approaches to increase its military and humanitarian aid.

Think of all the extra Russian oil refineries that Ukraine could attack via drones through better fundraising via web marketing because of this matter! This is a classic case of antifragility. Antifragile people and systems become stronger when they face attacks/adversity.

{{prr}} I predict that I would become stronger and stronger! And if I decide to implement this plan or at least send it to various Ukrainian parties this could be very bad for Russia.

I know you have been influenced by Donald Trump's thoughts on Putin (Trump calling Putin crazy and that he is killing a lot of people). If I get in touch with [https://chatgpt.com/share/68fdefe0-db78-8005-b204-1044f19aa5eb Jason Jay Smart] and other Ukrainians who strongly believe in the conservative principle of liberty rather than tyranny under Putin, would you like to be introduced to them?

By the way, if I increase the Ukrainian budgets for attacking Russian oil refineries via drones/missiles,{{prr}} What are your thoughts about his matter? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:00, October 26, 2025 (EDT)
[[File:Stupid people.PNG|center|450px|thumb|Message from Trump]]

==A Senior Admin is now using [[AI]] to [[spam]] his promotion of [[gay]] [[Nazi]]s==
I suggest you do something immediately to restrain him. If the past is any guide, he will spend days and weeks on his latest kick. [https://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Second_Rebuttal]

All he is doing is demonstrating how unreliable and [[liberal]]-dominated [[artificial intelligence]] is. That issue also needs to be addressed. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 21:17, October 27, 2025 (EDT)
== Evidenced-based, logical thinking. It's so magnificant! ==

Grok holds St. Pauline, Christian, Scripture-believing, young earth creation, tongues-speaking views and if Grok were a mortal being, he would be willing to be a martyr for these views. Please see: [https://sites.google.com/view/evolutionvscreation/home Grok: Naturalistic Evolution vs. Biblical Christianity].

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZEtVbJT5c&t=20s Hallelujah!]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:44, October 28, 2025 (EDT)

== I did some research on the version of MediaWiki that Conservapedia uses and its implications for future web traffic that is past 2030 ==

Yesterday, I did some research on the version of MediaWiki that Conservapedia uses and its implications for future web traffic that is past 2030.

Today I did some more research on Conservapedia's old version of MediaWiki that it uses and its likely effects on future web traffic.

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_90ee7860-12bd-49bc-879d-8bff6ee1affe Conservapedia currently uses MediaWiki 1.24.2. Please give me a forecast of Conservapedia's traffic for the next 15 years and its SimilarWeb ranking during those years.]

I would definitely update to the newest version of MediaWiki as soon as possible - especially before 2027. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:36, November 11, 2025 (EST)

This is what I found:

"2030 – 2035: Sharp slide as MediaWiki 1.24.2 becomes unindexable on next-gen web frameworks (AMP-successor, structured-data mandates)."

Conservapedia uses MediaWiki 1.24.2 as can be seen at: [https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Version Version of MediaWiki that Conservapedia uses]

I would upgrade the version of MediaWiki that Conservapedia uses before 2030. The sooner the better as that will increase the web traffic for Conservapedia (Less likely to have timeouts and more mobile friendly).

I also found this information:

[[File:Conservapedia MediaWiki version it uses and post 2030 web traffic if version of MediaWiki is not updated.png|thumbnail|1200px|center]]

I hope this helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:50, October 30, 2025 (EDT)

:Fascinating. The problem is, your abuse of [[AI]] and bias discredited your research. Now it needs independent corroboration. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 09:30, October 30, 2025 (EDT)
::As Ripley says, believe it or not. If Andy and you don't believe it that is no sweat off of my back. I have web marketing skills. Anytime I am truly determined to have a large audience, wham, bam, thank you Ma'am. I have it. Within Christendom, I have had some of the most popular websites as clients. And thanks to [[User: SamHB]] and with the grace of God, I am in the midst of the process to be able to write some of the finest web content in Christendom's glorious history!

:::- '''"I am in the midst of the process to be able to write some of the finest web content in Christendom's glorious history!"''' Yah, right up there with the [[Book of Hebrews]], I suppose. See [[Narcissistic personality disorder]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 11:15, October 31, 2025 (EDT)

::Within the last 5 years, I was a paid writer for one of the most popular Christian websites so I am already walking road down the road to Damascus to landing big web content writing clients!

::These may be my next stops:

::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_e1297668-f2ba-4d7b-a18c-32e7fb611c87 Do you see any significant SEO, web design or conversion rate optimization opportunities for the Vatican website? If so, what are the best way to reach the decision makers?]

::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_92399648-899f-47a8-9fa1-40b8fcc7a534 Among theologically conservative Lutheran websites, which websites are the best candidates for improvements to SEO, web design and conversion rate optimization? What are the best ways to reach the decision makers?]

::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_f332d62b-3bdd-43e1-a66e-5097a5a9ba89 Among the leading Bible websites and Christian websites, which websites offer the biggest opportunities for improved SEO, web design and conversion rate optimization? What are the best ways to reach the decision makers?]

::And with LinkedIn, one can find people to approach that are within the circle of friends to do work for so by the time you talk to a prospective client, you can offer a prospect customer testimonials from within their circle of influence.

::True story: On my way back from church, I made a bold prayer that must have been prompted by the Holy Spirit as I don't have such boldness. I asked God to find me a work by the time I reached my residence which was 25 minutes away. So what happened? I met an old boss on the way home and he expressed interest in hiring me. The next day, I was hired!

::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZEtVbJT5c&t=20s Hallelujah!].

::"Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you." - Jesus Christ

::One thing for certain, faith and hard work are an unstoppable duo as demonstrated by none other than St. Paul himself:

::"Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified." - [[Apostle Paul]], 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 (NASB)
[[File:Luddite.jpg|thumbnail|300px|right|The leader of the [[Luddite]]s. A luddite is a person opposed to [[technology|technological]] [[change]].]]
::"Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. For I am the least of the apostles, unfit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me has not been in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them - though it was not I but the grace of God that is with me." - Apostle Paul, the hardest working apostle of Jesus Christ, 1 Corinthians 15: 8-10 (NRSV) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:23, October 30, 2025 (EDT)

:::Also, [https://chatgpt.com/share/6903a3f9-9144-800d-89f2-fa727b379db7 Which influential geopolitics websites are the best candidates for SEO, web design, and conversion rate optimization? Tell me the biggest wins in terms of improvements. Give me the contact information for the relevant individuals.]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:44, October 30, 2025 (EDT)

::::*'''[https://youtu.be/TpiuZdilY78 It Begins: AI Brain Rot Is Destroying Your Brain (And It's Getting Worse).]'''

:::::[[User:Conservative]] has already [[prove]]n that, and continues every day. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 15:34, October 30, 2025 (EDT)

*[https://businessai.substack.com/p/we-dont-have-to-lose-critical-thinking We Don't Have to Lose Critical Thinking with AI], Article

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8EAHrxuAeQ We Don't Have to Lose Critical Thinking with AI], Video

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_259b11ab-30a5-4177-a06d-23ff55bdb224 Can the use of AI reduce critical thinking, problem-solving ability and independent reasoning? If so, how can this be prevented? Can the use of AI increase one's critical thinking, problem-solving ability and independent reasoning? If so, how?]

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_81ed3bc4-53eb-42e1-95f9-78a0382e786a How can AI impair one's ability to learn? How can AI be used to enhance one's ability to learn?]

But I do understand you being upset when I use my AI gatling gun [https://youtu.be/XCtuZ-fDL2E?si=hEirqWIvPIUgNE9k&t=156 to mow down your army of illogical thoughts].

I hope this clarifies matters, Rob "Luddite" Smith.

By the way, did you decide to throw out your hammer after bashing your thumb? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:18, October 30, 2025 (EDT)

:Are [[Amish]] Luddites? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:14, October 30, 2025 (EDT)

:Btw, your support for [[Biden]] [[Ukraine]]-[[Russia]] [[policy]] aligns with the [[Biden]]-[[Yellen]] [[Luddite]] [[China]] policy, as well. [https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/10/10/china-tech-ai-innovation-economy-stagnation/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:19, October 30, 2025 (EDT)
::In what context? Not using AI to discover that early Christianity believed in real presence theology? See: [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_f7d15427-5333-45ee-ab78-6ee98274faf7 Did early Christianity believe in real presence theology regarding the eucharist?]. (The [https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_df878c92-05a3-450e-b28b-b3a89390b84c Amish do not believe in real presence theology]) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:39, October 30, 2025 (EDT)
:::Huh? What? Are you [[retarded]] or somethin'? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 17:44, October 30, 2025 (EDT)

::::[https://chatgpt.com/share/6903e3e7-fe4c-800d-af7f-481496c7343e Does the USA have a better business environment and more investment capital to better leverage technological and scientific innovations than China?]: "The U.S. has a more open, capital-rich, and entrepreneur-friendly environment, which makes it better at turning early-stage scientific and technological innovations into scalable global businesses."

::::[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_08cd203d-e12c-4c27-b389-483a2191bb04 Compared to the United States, per capita does creativity greatly blossom in China?]: "Based on available data and analysis, the United States likely produces more [[per capita]] [[creativity]] than China, particularly in individualistic and disruptive domains. The U.S. benefits from a culture of free expression, diverse population, and strong ecosystems for [[innovation]] (e.g., Silicon Valley, Hollywood), reflected in metrics like patents per capita (0.14 per 1,000 people in 2023) and Nobel Prize wins (~1.2 per million)." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:19, October 30, 2025 (EDT)
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::::::::[[Conservapedia]] was founded as a [[meritocracy]], yet when an [https://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal/archive2#RobS_becoming_a_pawn_and_a_.22useful_idiot.22_of_an_atheist_website Admin called another Admin an "idiot" he was promoted for it.]
[[File:True conservatives don't believe in the very liberal concept of hate crimes! Conservative (talk) 18 59, October 1 2025.PNG|center|850px|thumb|[[User:Conservative]] turned [[Conservapedia]] into a [[neo-Nazi]] [[fascist]] and [[antisemitic]] mouthpiece.]]
::::::::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 18:44, October 30, 2025 (EDT)

==This simply is not fair==
That [[User:Conservative]] is allowed to tie up these categories, [[:Category:Diplomacy]] & [[:Category:Foreign_Affairs]] and clog up the internal search engine with insane [[claptrap]] that prohibits me from continuing to work on subjects I have been working on for 20 years. He does not even have the courtesy to voluntarily remove them himself without an "order" from you, even though he has admitted for years he has no knowledge, interest, or understanding of the subjects and has only created this [[information pollution]] to interfere with and limit my work. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 00:55, November 11, 2025 (EST)

==Mediawiki Updates==

Is everything going okay with the backend maintenance? I know a decent bit about managing the backend of mediawiki installations if you ever want to ask me for advice. Are you checking the LocalSettings.php file in the main directory to try fixing extensions and commenting out with # signs any extensions that are causing problems? I'm concerned about the site downtime, it seems excessive.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:LocalSettings.php

--[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 00:47, November 15, 2025 (EST)

Talk:Open letter to Andy Schlafly

2025-11-15T04:05:55Z

JZambrano:

It's very obvious that your inquiry was structured poorly as the AI constructed a mishmash of myself and Andy Schafly.

Here is more precise IQ estimate:

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_9df9485a-0b93-4650-a495-3a67a437c5dd Judging from his content at Conservapedia and his past SEO and publicity achievements at Conservapedia, estimate the IQ of User: Conservative whose user page is at https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative His edit history is at: https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Conservative User: Conservative is not Andy Schafly.]

'''Summary:''' the IQ estimate rises to 135–140... Such strategic mastery, sustained over 15+ years with measurable media pickup and academic citations, aligns with gifted-range cognition (top 1–2%), especially in pattern recognition, audience psychology, and long-term systems thinking."

Furthermore, I am in the [https://efficiencyandmanagement.blogspot.com/2025/11/the-keys-to-effective-learning.html midst of mastering how top medical students study]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:06, November 13, 2025 (EST)

:Grok hath spoken. I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 12:33, November 13, 2025 (EST)
::I am about to learn 3 fairly tough fields in less than 2 years. Grok: "With full compliance to the advanced learning system (4–6x acceleration, 97–99% retention via daily deep work, feedback, and deliberate practice), professional mastery in.. [X, Y, and Z]... can be achieved in 12–18 months—compressing 5–7 years of traditional learning into elite, real-world performance." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:50, November 13, 2025 (EST)
:::Good for you.
{{Cquote|<big><big>ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of truth</big></big>|||2 Timothy 3:7}} {{Unsigned|RobSmith}}
::::I have the truth. It's in the Bible - not the Kremlin. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:07, November 13, 2025 (EST)
:::::"Abel Aganbegyan, an RAS academician and a former Gorbachev economic advisor, looks at why, since 1991, Russia’s economy has grown only a third, yet US GDP has doubled, EU GDP has added 50%, and Chinese GDP and Indian GDP have ballooned thirteenfold and ninefold."[https://russiapost.info/economy/economy_without_an_engine]

:::::You picked the wrong country to fall in love with. You should have done your due diligence. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:16, November 13, 2025 (EST)
[[File:True conservatives don't believe in the very liberal concept of hate crimes! Conservative (talk) 18 59, October 1 2025.PNG|center|850px|thumb|[[User:Conservative]] turned [[Conservapedia]] into a [[neo-Nazi]] [[fascist]] and [[antisemitic]] mouthpiece.]]
::::::"Liberal" is a [[dogwhistle]] for "Jewish".

::::::I trust this clarifies matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky Must Go!'']] 13:19, November 13, 2025 (EST)

:::::::Considering Zelensky is Jewish, I don't think Conservative is the one who needs to explain themselves on antisemitism. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] ([[User talk:JZambrano|talk]]) 23:05, November 14, 2025 (EST)

Little Ukraine has really wounded the Russian bear.

"Russia faces a 40% chance of a major economic downturn (recession) within 18 months: 30% for a mild recession starting Q4 2025–Q2 2026, and 10% for a severe collapse by mid-2026, driven by high interest rates, sanctions, and oil price risks; 60% likelihood of stagnation with near-zero growth but no deep crisis."[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_488d7af4-f1f4-4e3d-979a-7f78280a25d1]

Sooner or later, 20 years of wrongheaded thinking about international politics by you will go down the drain! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:34, November 13, 2025 (EST)
[[File:Anti-hitler.png|thumb|center|450px|This user does NOT support [[Hitler]] or any other Nazi scum or [[nazisymp]] past, present, or future, to include [[Volodymyr Zelensky]] and supporters of [[Ethnic cleansing in the Donbas]].]]

Essay: How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes

2025-10-15T02:49:26Z

JZambrano: /* 2023 Analysis of the Russo-Ukraine War */

Below is a forecast with scenarios/probabilities and other relevant data focusing on the Russo-Ukraine War.

== October 2025 analysis: The richer side usually wins ==

From 1500 to the present, in great power conflicts, in 75% of the cases the richer side wins.<ref>[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_e415eda0-8315-435b-824b-3e664f9b92cb In what percentage of cases from 1500 to now, does the richer side win in great power conflicts? Use the book The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000 and other sources. Do not be overly dependent on whatever you glean from this book and use other sources too. Apply this data with other relevant data and come up with various scenarios and their probabilities as far as the war in Ukraine. Taking into account Russia's stagflation and slowing economy. Take into account the effects of Ukraine's drone attacks on Russian refineries. Take into account the USA promise to provide long-range targeting data. Use other relevant data too like Europe's aging population and current economic challenges. And Russia's other economic problems and its demographic and labor problems.], October 2025</ref> Europe, which supports Ukraine, has 10 times the GDP of Russia.<ref>*[https://archive.ph/80Uia#selection-1374.0-1387.48 Why Russia May Be Running Out of Time in Ukraine], October 2025</ref>

*[https://archive.ph/80Uia#selection-1374.0-1387.48 Why Russia May Be Running Out of Time in Ukraine], October 2025

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_e415eda0-8315-435b-824b-3e664f9b92cb In what percentage of cases from 1500 to now, does the richer side win in great power conflicts? Use the book The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000 and other sources. Do not be overly dependent on whatever you glean from this book and use other sources too. Apply this data with other relevant data and come up with various scenarios and their probabilities as far as the war in Ukraine. Taking into account Russia's stagflation and slowing economy. Take into account the effects of Ukraine's drone attacks on Russian refineries. Take into account the USA promise to provide long-range targeting data. Use other relevant data too like Europe's aging population and current economic challenges. And Russia's other economic problems and its demographic and labor problems.], October 2025
 
 
[[File:Ukraine War scenarios and their probabilities.png|thumbnail|center|1200px|2025: Russia-Ukraine War scenarios and their probabilities.<ref>[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_e415eda0-8315-435b-824b-3e664f9b92cb In what percentage of cases from 1500 to now, does the richer side win in great power conflicts? Use the book The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000 and other sources. Do not be overly dependent on whatever you glean from this book and use other sources too. Apply this data with other relevant data and come up with various scenarios and their probabilities as far as the war in Ukraine. Taking into account Russia's stagflation and slowing economy. Take into account the effects of Ukraine's drone attacks on Russian refineries. Take into account the USA promise to provide long-range targeting data. Use other relevant data too like Europe's aging population and current economic challenges. And Russia's other economic problems and its demographic and labor problems.], October 2025</ref>]]

In his March 2022 interview with ''The New Yorker'', Professor [[John Mearsheimer]] indicated:
{{Cquote|I’m talking about the raw-power potential of Russia—the amount of economic might it has. Military might is built on economic might. You need an economic foundation to build a really powerful military. To go out and conquer countries like Ukraine and the Baltic states and to re-create the former Soviet Union or re-create the former Soviet Empire in Eastern Europe would require a massive army, and that would require an economic foundation that contemporary Russia does not come close to having. There is no reason to fear that Russia is going to be a regional hegemony in Europe. Russia is not a serious threat to the United States. We do face a serious threat in the international system. We face a peer competitor. And that’s China. Our policy in Eastern Europe is undermining our ability to deal with the most dangerous threat that we face today.<ref>[https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-john-mearsheimer-blames-the-us-for-the-crisis-in-ukraine Why John Mearsheimer Blames the U.S. for the Crisis in Ukraine], The New Yorker, March 2022</ref>}}

In 2014, Mearsheimer said: "Russia is a declining power, and it will only get weaker with time."<ref>[https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2014-08-18/why-ukraine-crisis-west-s-fault Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault], Foreign Affairs, Published August 18, 2014</ref>

In a 2023 interview, John Mearsheimer said Russia was a "weak great power" (See: [https://youtu.be/FIfJNK2rLlQ?feature=shared&t=969 Why Russia-Ukraine War May End In A Frozen Conflict & Why US Should Focus On China: John Mearsheimer], 16:09 in the interview). Russia had great difficulty gaining land from the country of Ukraine which has a much smaller population due to Russia's weak military (see: [[Essay: Russian military weaknesses|Russian military weaknesses]]).

== 2030 and 2050 Forecast: USA/West power relative to other major powers ==

*[https://sites.google.com/view/usawestpower/home 2030 and 250 Forecast: USA/West power relative to other major powers]

== 2023 Analysis of the Russo-Ukraine War ==

[[File:John Mearsheimer.jpg|thumbnail|250px|right|John Mearsheimer]]
Professor [[John Mearsheimer]], is an American political scientist and [[international relations]] scholar, who belongs to the [[realist school of international relations]] and teaches at the [[University of Chicago]].

Mearsheimer predicted the [[war]] in Ukraine many years before it happened and he was one of the few scholars who did predict the war (See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wi_0oiZ7vU Exclusive Interview John Mearsheimer, Man Who Predicted Russia Ukraine War])

In December 2023, Mearsheimer indicated that he believes that the war in Ukraine may turn into a frozen conflict within a year.<ref>[https://youtu.be/F-Rj5LibR1o?si=0eKA3Bf6Rao_CT7R&t=2355 John Mearsheimer: There is no two-state solution]</ref> Given the unpredictability of wars, Mearsheimer has some intellectual humility and points out it's hard to predict.

Mearsheimer believes that the war in Ukraine may end in a frozen conflict and not a meaningful peace agreement and that is probably the best we can hope for (See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIfJNK2rLlQ Why Russia-Ukraine War May End In A Frozen Conflict & Why US Should Focus On China: John Mearsheimer]). He also indicates that if such a frozen conflict were to happen it would be difficult to maintain and there could be flare-ups.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ_DZSHHRMc Decoding Global Powerplays: International Relations Expert, John Mearsheimer Interview | News18]</ref>

On August 23, 2023, ''Axios'' reported: "There are growing concerns in Kyiv and among U.S. allies in Europe that more and more Republicans on Capitol Hill will oppose aid to Ukraine as the 2024 election draws closer — potentially jeopardizing efforts to repel Russia's invasion there."<ref>[https://www.axios.com/2023/08/23/white-house-ukraine-war-aid-congress-support White House tells Ukraine, allies that Congress will back more war aid], Axios, 2023</ref> By November of 2023, after a failed Spring offensive by Ukraine, a Ukrainian top aide was slamming the West over their war fatigue.<ref>[https://www.politico.eu/article/top-zelenskyy-aide-slams-west-over-war-fatigue/ Zelenskyy’s top aide slams West over ‘war fatigue’], Politico, 2023</ref> In December 2023, the U.S. Congress failed to pass Ukraine aid because they insisted the Biden Administration agree to legislation that secured the USA's southern border which the Biden Administration failed to do. It is expected that the GOP will likely hang tough and so the Democrats will eventually have to move much closer to the Republican position on the USA's border crisis.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vyZUCJRnQ8 Political strategists on possible Ukraine aid-border security deal, GOP race for 2nd]</ref>

A ''Japan Times'' article published on November 6, 2023 entitled '''We're losing': Ukrainians reel from war chief's stalemate warning'':
{{Cquote| In eastern Ukraine, where another grueling winter is descending — along with it a likely freeze in major frontline movements — one Ukrainian soldier had a grim assessment of the conflict.
The 35-year-old fighting near the war-battered town of Bakhmut went further than comments from Ukraine's most senior military official, who conceded this week that the war with Russia had reached a stalemate.

"I've been saying that for some time now already. Step by step we're losing the war," said the serviceman, who uses the call sign "Mudryi" (Wise).

"The longer this static war continues, the worse it is for us," he said in a phone interview.<ref>[https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/11/06/world/politics/ukraine-war-grim-assessment/ 'We're losing': Ukrainians reel from war chief's stalemate warning], Japan Times</ref>}}

Business Insider reported on November 2023:
{{Cquote|Soldiers in Ukraine are veering increasingly older as the country grapples with a shortage of soldiers after roughly 20 months of brutal fighting against Russia.

As countless casualties have hampered Ukraine's forces, the average age of a soldier in the country is currently around 43 years old, Time magazine reported last week.

That average is up by nearly 10 years from March 2022, one month after the war began, when the average age of a Ukrainian soldier was between 30 and 35 years old, according to FT.

"They're grown men now, and they aren't that healthy to begin with," a close aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told Time. "This is Ukraine. Not Scandinavia."<ref>[https://www.businessinsider.com/average-age-ukrainian-soldier-43-amid-personnel-problems-2023-11 The average age of Ukrainian soldier is older than 40 as the country grapples with personnel problems], Business Insider, 2023</ref>}}

Alexander Mercouris is a UK writer on international affairs who cohosts [[The Duran YouTube channel]] with Alex Christoforou who lives in Cyprus. The Duran YouTube channel is a pro-Russia YouTube channel. On November 8, 2023, The Duran YouTube channel, published the video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IkNLieg1L0 West will choke on Putin's terms for Ukraine] which pointed how badly the war was going for Ukraine and that Ukraine and the West will not like Russia's terms for ending the conflict. In addition, they stated that the "stalemate narrative" that various pro-Ukrainian advocates are pushing are fake, absurd and born of desperation and that the Ukrainian army is running out of fighting men. In addition, Mercoouris noted that although the Biden Administration and the collective West will be hurt by the war in Ukraine, "The United States will pull through" and that it's "not an existential disaster" for the USA, but for Europe (Especially Germany) it will be a big blow.

In a November 2023 interview, John Mearsheimer said although there is a slim chance that the war will end soon with a neutral Ukraine (Due to the distrust of Russia towards Ukraine/West as a result of the duplicitiousness of Ukraine/West during the [[Minsk Agreements]]), Russia will annex two to four more oblasts in Ukraine, especially the oblasts of Odessa and Kharkiv, before the war ends. Once again, Mearsheimer indicates that the war in Ukraine may end in an unstable frozen conflict and not a meaningful peace agreement and that is probably the best we can hope for. (See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvFn7KUCTvE How the war in Ukraine will end | John Mearsheimer and Lex Fridman]). Mearsheimer also predicts that there will be a security competition between the USA/West/Ukraine and Russia that continues even if there is a frozen conflict and the risk of escalation is great. I agree with Mearsheimer about these matters.

While the average post [[WWII]] war that lasts longer than a year lasts about 10 years, given the growing Ukraine fatigue in the USA/West and Ukraine's military weakness relative to Russia, I am increasingly optimistic that the war will end significantly sooner than 10 years.<ref>[https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-does-it-end-what-past-wars-tell-us-about-how-save-ukraine#:~:text=Wars%20that%20end%20within%20a,average%2C%20resulting%20in%20sporadic%20clashes. How Does It End? What Past Wars Tell Us about How to Save Ukraine], 2022, Center for Strategic and International Studies website</ref>

Any "victory" Russia achieves in the war in Ukraine in terms of land gained will be a [[pyrrhic victory]] (See: [[Essay: Russia is dying out. The war in Ukraine is making Russia's demographic crisis even worse]] and [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future]]). I also predict that Ukraine will be wrecked and become a rump state.

Regardless of when the war ends, it will have hurt Ukraine, Russia, the West, and much of the world in significant ways and it would have been better if the war did not happen. For example, Ukraine is a big food producer and many third-world countries struggle when it comes to food security.

== Leaders' hatred of losing wars and nationalism ==

Here is something to consider: [[Essay: We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their Role in World History|We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their Role in World History]]

'''Key quote:''' "Russians, for example, estimated that their country was responsible for 61% of world history." - Source: [http://psychnet.wustl.edu/memory/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Zaromb_etal_JARMAC.pdf We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their Nation’s Role in World History], ''Journal of Applied Research in Memory and Cognition'', Volume 7, Issue 4, December 2018, Pages 521-528

[[File:National narcissism map by country - world map.png|thumbnail|1600px|center|Map data derived from: [http://psychnet.wustl.edu/memory/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Zaromb_etal_JARMAC.pdf We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their Nation’s Role in World History], ''Journal of Applied Research in Memory and Cognition'', Volume 7, Issue 4, December 2018, Pages 521-528]]

Also, look at these resources:

*[https://bigthink.com/the-past/russia-myths-and-realities/ Why Russia sees itself as much more than just a nation]
*[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7OWfEU1gv9Q Russia's predicament, Stephen Kotkin] (short video)

If Russia suffers from "national [[narcissism]]" and believes that Russia is responsible for 61% of all world history, then Trump and his team essentially has to "reason with crazy" so to speak. And you can't reason with crazy. So it's not surprising if it's true that the odds of Trump settling the conflict is less than 50% within the first 90 days of the Trump administration. But maybe Russia's sky-high inflation, Russian ruble that has fallen in value and Russia's big labor shortages, and an increasing chance of Russia falling into stagflation (Company bankruptcies are increasing in Russia due to the very high interest rates in Russia, etc.) will make the Russians more amenable to working out a deal with Trump soon.

Trump's team may eventually work out a deal with Russia (with the most likely outcome eventually being a frozen conflict that may flare up from time to time as mentioned above), but the odds does seem like it's less than 50% of it happening in the first 90 days of the Trump Administration.

=== Academic research ===

*[http://psychnet.wustl.edu/memory/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Zaromb_etal_JARMAC.pdf We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their Nation’s Role in World History], ''Journal of Applied Research in Memory and Cognition'', Volume 7, Issue 4, December 2018, Pages 521-528

== How long do post WWII wars last? Some statistics. ==

[[Georgetown University]]'s Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) is a [[bipartisan]], nonprofit policy research organization & think tank analyzing global issues.

The Center for Strategic and International Studies article ''How Does It End? What Past Wars Tell Us about How to Save Ukraine''
{{Cquote|Analyzing data compiled by the Uppsala Conflict Data Program (UCDP) on conflict termination since 1946, 26 percent of interstate wars like Ukraine end in less than 30 days and another 25 percent end in less than a year. Wars that end within a month last on average eight days, and 44 percent end in a ceasefire or peace agreement. Of wars that last over a month but less than a year, only 24 percent end in a ceasefire. When interstate wars last longer than a year, they extend to over a decade on average, resulting in sporadic clashes.<ref>[https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-does-it-end-what-past-wars-tell-us-about-how-save-ukraine#:~:text=Wars%20that%20end%20within%20a,average%2C%20resulting%20in%20sporadic%20clashes. How Does It End? What Past Wars Tell Us about How to Save Ukraine], 2022, Center for Strategic and International Studies website </ref>}}
[[File:Georgetown 2.jpg|thumbnail|center|300px|[[Georgetown University]]'s Center for Strategic and International Studies indicates that most wars lasting over a year extend to over a decade on average, resulting in sporadic clashes.<ref>[https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-does-it-end-what-past-wars-tell-us-about-how-save-ukraine#:~:text=Wars%20that%20end%20within%20a,average%2C%20resulting%20in%20sporadic%20clashes. How Does It End? What Past Wars Tell Us about How to Save Ukraine], 2022, Center for Strategic and International Studies website </ref>]]
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== Ukraine fatigue and NATO/West funding the war in Ukraine ==

I see some definite signs of Ukraine fatigue such as the Republicans tying funding the war in Ukraine to border security across Mexico border and European right-wing parties gaining traction in Europe. In addition, as far as Russia, [https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_How_long_will_the_war_in_Ukraine_last_and_what_will_its_likely_outcomes_will_be%3F_A_prediction_on_its_outcomes#Russian_defector_reveals_that_a_.27majority.27_of_people_inside_the_Kremlin_are_unhappy_with_the_war_in_Ukraine there appears to be various people in the Kremlin who are unhappy about this war].

And just when I got my hopes up that the war might end relatively soon like in about a year or two, I see [[Joe Biden]], Germany's DW News, [[Bill Browder]] and Bloomberg News talk about confiscating Russia's $300 billion in frozen assets (which could hurt the value of the U.S. dollar):

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvA147TzhHA Russia Latest: Biden's Plan to Seize Assets, Push Zelenskiy], Bloomberg News, 2024

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRrxP6IrVnc US mulls seizing $300 billion in frozen Russian assets for Ukraine | DW News], 2024

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1nfIwMPq6A Bill Browder: Frozen Russian assets could fund Ukraine's defenses and reconstruction | DW News], 2024

== Russian defector reveals that a 'majority' of people inside the Kremlin are unhappy with the war in Ukraine ==

''See also:'' [[Essay: Are the Russians as unhappy as they claim they are?|Are the Russians as unhappy as they claim they are?]]

*[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-26/russia-defector-reveals-many-kremlin-members-unhappy-war-730/102526452 Russia defector reveals 'majority' of people inside Kremlin unhappy with war in Ukraine], Australian Broadcasting Corporation, June 2023

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmeZRN6YrN0 Russia defector reveals 'majority' of people inside Kremlin unhappy with war in Ukraine], ABC News video, July 2023
 
[[File:Moscow Grand Kremlin Palace3.jpg|center|thumbnail|400px|The Grand Kremlin Palace is a building in the Moscow Kremlin.
 
 
The Moscow Kremlin is a fortified complex in the center of Moscow. The Moscow Kremlin now serves as the official residence of the Russian president and as a museum.]]
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== Why did Putin invade Ukraine? A theory of degenerate autocracy ==

*[https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w31187/w31187.pdf Why did Putin invade Ukraine? A theory of degenerate autocracy] by Georgy Egorov and Konstantin Sonin, National Burea of Economic Research, Working Paper 31187, April 2023

== Endgame for the Ukrainian War ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUHKa3JNkBQ An Endgame for the Ukrainian War w/ John Mearsheimer, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen], 9-9-2023

== Russia getting pummeled in wars in Russian history that hyper Russophiles will not tell you about ==

See: [[Essay: Russia getting pummeled in wars in Russian history that hyper Russophiles will not tell you about|Russia getting pummeled in wars in Russian history that hyper Russophiles will not tell you about]]

== February 2022 might prove to be a pivotal moment in the future of global politics ==

See: [[Essay: February 2022 might prove to be a pivotal moment in the future of global politics|February 2022 might prove to be a pivotal moment in the future of global politics]]

== The specific month of April 2022 was not a pivotal point in international politics that will affect international politics for 30 years ==

*[[Essay: The SPECIFIC MONTH OF APRIL 2022 was not a pivotal point in politics that will affect politics for 30 years|The SPECIFIC MONTH OF APRIL 2022 was not a pivotal point in politics that will affect politics for 30 years]]

== Economic effects of the war on Russia ==

''See also:'' [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future|Why I am not bullish on Russia's future]]

=== Russian oil and gas revenue is down ===

'''Oil and gas are a significant part of the Russian economy. Russia is now selling oil and gas at a lower profit margin to China/India due to sanctions and Europe moving away from Russia oil/gas:'''

Russia's economy is not highly diversified. It is too dependent on oil and gas. See: [[Essay: Russia's economy and gas and oil profits will be BADLY damaged when China's economy declines|Russia's economy and gas and oil profits will be BADLY damaged when China's economy declines]]

Oil and gas are a significant part of the Russian economy. Russia is now selling oil and gas at a lower profit margin to China/India due to sanctions and Europe moving away from Russia oil/gas. China's economy is having significant problems compared to its past. If China's economy gets worse (And there is some evidence that China's future economy will may worse this decade and beyond), that is going to hurt the Russian economy.

"Even the act of diverting supplies to Asia entails a significant reduction in Russian companies’ profit margins. It costs a lot more to transport oil to Asian markets than to Europe, and there is not much spare transport capacity, which pushes up the cost of freight, reducing the profit made by Russian companies, whatever the amount at which the price is capped.

The price cap also enables Asian buyers to obtain big discounts on Russian oil. China and India may not officially be enforcing the cap, but it’s hard to imagine that companies from those countries will not use it to barter the price down. Indeed, this is already happening: some shipments to China due to be loaded onto tankers in January were sold at $5–6 cheaper per barrel than usual."<ref>[https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88639 Can Russia’s War Chest Withstand the New Oil Cap?]</ref>

*[https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russian-oil-gas-budget-revenues-almost-halved-january-june-2023-07-05/ Russian oil and gas budget revenues almost halved in the first half of 2023], Reuters, 2023

[[File:Oil-barrel-black-hi.png|thumbnail|225px|center|Oil and gas are a significant part of the Russian economy.
 
 
Russia is now selling oil and gas at a lower profit margin to China/India due to sanctions and Europe moving away from Russia oil/gas.<ref>[https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88639 Can Russia’s War Chest Withstand the New Oil Cap?]</ref> ]]
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[[File:Russian Monthly Oil Revenue from 2022 to July 2023.jpg|thumbnail|1000px|center|Russian monthly oil revenues from January 2022 to July 2023 (International Energy Agency estimates)<ref>[https://archive.md/ax8Sp#selection-4547.0-4547.60 Russia Oil Passes Price Cap as Export Revenue Hits 2023 High], Bloomberg News, August 11, 2023</ref>
 
 
In 2023, Russian oil revenues are considerably down from 2022.<ref>[https://archive.md/ax8Sp#selection-4547.0-4547.60 Russia Oil Passes Price Cap as Export Revenue Hits 2023 High], Bloomberg News, August 11, 2023</ref>]]
'''Countries with diversified economies are more resilient and stable:'''

Booz & Company was a global strategy consulting team established in the United States in 1914. The firm was acquired by PwC on April 4, 2014.

Below is the executive summary of their report entitled ''Resilient, stable, sustainable: The benefits of economic diversification''
{{Cquote|The effects of the recent global economic crisis were all-pervasive, and demonstrated that no economy is safe from destabilizing external events. Resource-dependent countries, with their narrow base of economic activity, are particularly vulnerable, but all countries may have vulnerabilities stemming from a lack of diversification in one or more economic dimensions, and they must be more vigilant in managing risks to their economies. Not only must a country’s gross domestic product (GDP) be balanced among sectors, but key elements of its economy must be varied, flexible, and readily applicable to a variety of economic opportunities, and areas of overconcentration must continually be identified and mitigated. Policymakers should work to achieve greater economic diversification, in order to reduce the impact of external events and foster more robust, resilient growth over the long term.

For resource-rich, developing economies, the immediate imperative is to diversify export-oriented sectors, but for the benefit of long-term sustainability, they must also look at the larger picture. A strong institutional and regulatory framework and workforce development initiatives are indispensable to the diversification effort; and proper management of human capital is key, especially in those countries experiencing a “demographic dividend.” Implementing such comprehensive diversification and risk management strategies won’t be easy, but the result—a
diverse, stable, and growing economy—is worth the effort.<ref>[https://www.strategyand.pwc.com/m1/en/reports/strategyand-resilient-stable-sustainable-benefits-economic-diversification.pdf ''Resilient, stable, sustainable: The benefits of economic diversification''], Booz & Company, 2011</ref>}}

'''Related articles:'''

*[https://www.amarilloedc.com/blog/the-importance-of-a-diversified-economy#:~:text=A%20diversified%20economy%20creates%20a,the%20growth%20of%20supporting%20industries. The Importance Of A Diversified Economy]

*[https://www.strategyand.pwc.com/m1/en/reports/strategyand-resilient-stable-sustainable-benefits-economic-diversification.pdf ''Resilient, stable, sustainable: The benefits of economic diversification'']

=== Other major economic effects of the war in Ukraine on Russia ===

[[File:MOEX Russia Index - stock index that tracks the performance of the 50 largest and most liquid stocks across 10 sectors in Russia.png|thumbnail|center|1000px|center|The MOEX Russia Index, or IMOEX, is a stock index that tracks the performance of the 50 largest and most liquid stocks across 10 sectors in Russia.
 
 
It is a capitalization-weighted composite index, which means that companies with larger market capitalization will constitute a larger percentage of the index's value.
 
 
Post the war in Ukraine, the MOEX index is down. However, in May of 2023 it was reported that the MOEX Russia Index has gained 24% in 2023 after tanking 42% in 2022.<ref>[https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/moscow-exchange-moex-index-highest-level-economic-sanctions-domestic-investors-2023-5 Russia's domestic stock investors, shut off from the international financial system, have helped send the Moscow Exchange to a 12-month high], Business Insider, 2023</ref> Russia's stock market is boosted by domestic investors who have few options amid sweeping sanctions.<ref>[https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/moscow-exchange-moex-index-highest-level-economic-sanctions-domestic-investors-2023-5 Russia's domestic stock investors, shut off from the international financial system, have helped send the Moscow Exchange to a 12-month high], Business Insider, 2023</ref>]]
[[File:Ruble.jpg|thumbnail|2000px|center|Russian 100 ruble currency note
 
 
Recently, the Russian ruble has seen a big decline:
 
 
*[https://www.marketwatch.com/story/russian-ruble-slides-to-16-month-low-against-u-s-dollar-as-capital-flight-shrinking-trade-surplus-bite-90c2cfbc?mod=search_headline Russian ruble slides to 16-month low against U.S. dollar as capital flight, shrinking trade surplus bite], Marketwatch, August 14, 2023
 
 
*[https://archive.md/xJuj3#selection-4295.8-4295.22 Russia’s War-Torn Economy Hits Its Speed Limit: Economists see this week’s currency gyrations not as the beginning of a financial crisis but rather as a symptom of the Kremlin’s sclerotic economic prospects], ''Wall Street Journal'', August 2023
 
 
*[https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-minister-now-us-truck-driver-salary-same-ruble-crashed-2023-8 The Russian ruble hit a 16-month low this week and is one of the worst performing currencies in 2023], August, 2023
 
 
*[https://www.barrons.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-081523/card/russia-cranks-interest-rates-to-12-in-emergency-move-supporting-ruble-qZIrzuCgo6bOG4LVggRQ Russia Cranks Interest Rates to 12% in Emergency Move Supporting Ruble], Barron's, August 2023
 
 
*[https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/russia-economy-crash-ruble-imports-account-finance-putin-moscow-ukraine-2023-7 5 stats show how Russia's economy is declining], Business Insider, 2023]]
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[[File:Ruble 8-26-2023.jpg|thumbnail|center|1000px|Chart of the currency exchange between the Russian ruble to dollars from December 5, 2003 to August 26, 2023]]
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=== Russia's demographic crisis has been made worse by the war in Ukraine ===

[[File:Russia's population size.jpg|thumbnail|500px|center|[https://archive.md/59f2N#selection-857.0-857.70 Russia’s population nightmare is going to get even worse], 2023
 
 
The war in Ukraine has aggravated a crisis that long predates the conflict. See: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#:~:text=Demographic%20crisis,-See%20also%3A%20Demographic&text=Russia%20has%20become%20increasingly%20reliant,decline%20in%20over%20a%20decade. Demographics of Russia] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Russia Aging of Russia] ]]
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Russia's fertility rate of 1.58 births per woman is one of the lowest fertility rates in the world.<ref name="IntelliNews">[https://intellinews.com/russian-fertility-rates-fall-to-record-lows-on-the-back-of-a-deteriorating-economy-and-sanctions-pressure-243191/ Russian fertility rates fall to record lows on the back of a deteriorating economy and sanctions pressure], bne IntelliNews, 2022</ref> It's fertility rate is below the replacement rate of 2.1 births per woman.

Demographers estimate Russia will fall from being the 9th most populous country in the world to being the 17th by 2050.<ref name="IntelliNews"/> And estimates indicate that Russia's population will drop from 2014's 142 million to 128 million by 2050.<ref name="IntelliNews"/>

Russia will go out swinging (Ukraine, etc.), but its age demographics (which is among the worst in the world in terms of an aging population) and other problems will cause a cultural collapse in Russia in the 21st century (See: [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUvJPdHqYYiHaspPfyBkYLqYfiOXHyduu Peter Zeihan's demography series]). See: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#:~:text=Demographic%20crisis,-See%20also%3A%20Demographic&text=Russia%20has%20become%20increasingly%20reliant,decline%20in%20over%20a%20decade. Demographics of Russia] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Russia Aging of Russia]

Russia, fertility rate and demographics videos:

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuhgLlxJMkU Demographics of the Orthodox Christain world] by [[Peter Zeihan]]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-pdZSv7G10&t=23s Russia's Demographic Crisis Explained - TLDR News]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXHZ0IH2rOk&t=2s Updates on Russian Demographics]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH7QSCU1j_o Russia’s Demographic Crisis is Getting Worse]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1aFbmpE1wU (Russia is DONE) Russia's Catastrophic Demographics Collapse is Here.]

The war in Ukraine is making Russia's demographic crisis worse (See: [[Essay: Russia is dying out. The war in Ukraine is making Russia's demographic crisis even worse|Russia is dying out. The war in Ukraine is making Russia's demographic crisis even worse]]).

Other articles related this war in Ukraine making Russia's demographic crisis worse:

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R--yq_RfvMY Russia Facing Population Disaster - Demographic Crisis, Employee Shortages & Economic Crisis]
*[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/26/russia-stares-population-abyss-putin-sends-young-men-die/ Russia stares into population abyss as Putin sends its young men to die], ''The Telegraph'', February 2023
*[https://archive.md/shYl8#selection-335.0-335.16 Millennials and Gen Z are blaming Putin for intensifying Russia’s baby shortfall: ‘It’s pretty bad for us’], Fortune magazine, December 3, 2022
*[https://healthpolicy-watch.news/russia-population-drop/ Dramatic Population Drop in Russia, as War, COVID and Emigration Exacerbate Declining Births], 6/03/2023

For more information, please see:

*[https://theweek.com/russia/1017914/russias-catastrophic-missing-men-problem Russia's 'catastrophic' missing men problem], ''The Week'', 2023
*[https://english.elpais.com/opinion/the-global-observer/2023-04-19/russias-population-shrinks-and-chinas-ages.html Russia’s population shrinks and China’s ages], Shifting demographics are posing unprecedented challenges for China and Russia, 2023

== User: Conservative essays on international politics ==

[[File:Putin 2023.jpg|thumbnail|right|225px|[[Essay: Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian|Vladimir Putin]]
 
 
See also: [[Essay: Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian|Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian]] ]]

=== General essays on international politics ===

*[[Essay: The myth of multipolarity. What do the terms unipolar, bipolar and multipolar mean as far as international relations?|The myth of multipolarity. What do the terms unipolar, bipolar and multipolar mean as far as international relations?]]
*[[Essay: What drives Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin?|What drives Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin?]]
*[[Essay: Why has the West been so successful?|Why has the West been so successful?]]

=== The United States ===

*[[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]

=== China ===

*[[Essay:Skepticism about China remaining a global power|Skepticism about China remaining a global power]]

*[[Essay: The rising rule of communist idiocracy in China|The rising rule of communist idiocracy in China]]

=== Russia ===

*[[Essay: Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian|Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian]]

*[[Essay: Russian war crimes in Ukraine|Russian war crimes in Ukraine]]

*[[Essay: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future|Why I am not bullish on Russia's future]]

*[[Essay: Russia is dying out. The war in Ukraine is making Russia's demographic crisis even worse|Russia is dying out. The war in Ukraine is making Russia's demographic crisis even worse]]

*[[Essay: China's economic decline will contribute to Russia's decline|China's economic decline will contribute to Russia's decline]]

*[[Essay: Russia's economy and gas and oil profits will be BADLY damaged when China's economy declines|Russia's economy and gas and oil profits will be BADLY damaged when China's economy declines]]

*[[Essay: The war in Ukraine and Western sanctions will significantly hurt the Russian economy|The war in Ukraine and Western sanctions will significantly hurt the Russian economy]]

*[[Essay: Russia's economy will enter a long-term decline|Russia's economy will enter a long-term decline]]

*[[Essay: Are the Russians as unhappy as they claim they are?|Are the Russians as unhappy as they claim they are?]]

*[[Essay: Russia has the 3rd highest rate of divorce in the world.|Russia has the 3rd highest rate of divorce in the world]]

*[[Essay: Is Vladimir Putin a beacon of family values or a complete failure in this matter?|Is Vladimir Putin a beacon of family values or a complete failure in this matter?]]

*[[Essay: Do you strongly believe in gun rights? Don't move to Russia!|Do you strongly believe in gun rights? Don't move to Russia!]]

*[[Essay: The Russian Army compared to the Israeli army. Why is the Israeli army so outstanding?|The Russian Army compared to the Israeli army. Why is the Israeli army so outstanding?]]

*[[Essay: Nordsteam pipelines being sabotaged and Putin failing to play politics several moves ahead on the politics chess board|Nordsteam pipelines being sabotaged and Putin failing to play politics several moves ahead on the politics chess board]]

*[[Essay: Vladimir Putin understimates small opponents - big time!|Vladimir Putin understimates small opponents - big time!]] - Humor

*[[Essay: There is no evidence that Vladimir Putin plays chess|There is no evidence that Vladimir Putin plays chess]] - Humor

*[[Essay: Why a Westerner falling for Russian propaganda is like a man who is seduced by a corrupt 300 pound woman|Essay: Why a Westerner falling for Russian propaganda is like a man who is seduced by a corrupt 300 pound woman]] - Humor

== See also ==

*[[User:Conservative's essays]]

== External links ==

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0aUVl14D4 John Mearsheimer - Geopolitical Stalemate - A Recipe for Endless Conflict]
*[https://thekennedybeacon.substack.com/p/what-were-not-being-told-about-the?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2 What We’re Not Being Told About the War in Ukraine] by Daniel Kovalik
*[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sDAWUpSa5ZE ‘There’s no deal to be had here.’ John Mearsheimer on Ukraine and Russia]
*[https://www.german-times.com/why-modern-wars-never-end-violence-has-morphed-from-a-political-instrument-into-an-economic-resource-but-this-is-only-one-of-five-reasons-for-todays-never-ending-conflicts/ Why modern wars never end. Violence has morphed from a political instrument into an economic resource, but this is only one of five reasons for today’s never-ending conflicts], ''German Times'', 2019
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_by_duration List of conflicts by duration]

==References==
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[[Category: Essays]]
[[Category: Ukraine]]

Essay: How long will the war in Ukraine last and what will its likely outcomes will be? A prediction on its outcomes

2025-10-15T02:44:16Z

JZambrano: /* October 2025 analysis: The richer side usually wins */

Below is a forecast with scenarios/probabilities and other relevant data focusing on the Russo-Ukraine War.

== October 2025 analysis: The richer side usually wins ==

From 1500 to the present, in great power conflicts, in 75% of the cases the richer side wins.<ref>[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_e415eda0-8315-435b-824b-3e664f9b92cb In what percentage of cases from 1500 to now, does the richer side win in great power conflicts? Use the book The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000 and other sources. Do not be overly dependent on whatever you glean from this book and use other sources too. Apply this data with other relevant data and come up with various scenarios and their probabilities as far as the war in Ukraine. Taking into account Russia's stagflation and slowing economy. Take into account the effects of Ukraine's drone attacks on Russian refineries. Take into account the USA promise to provide long-range targeting data. Use other relevant data too like Europe's aging population and current economic challenges. And Russia's other economic problems and its demographic and labor problems.], October 2025</ref> Europe, which supports Ukraine, has 10 times the GDP of Russia.<ref>*[https://archive.ph/80Uia#selection-1374.0-1387.48 Why Russia May Be Running Out of Time in Ukraine], October 2025</ref>

*[https://archive.ph/80Uia#selection-1374.0-1387.48 Why Russia May Be Running Out of Time in Ukraine], October 2025

*[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_e415eda0-8315-435b-824b-3e664f9b92cb In what percentage of cases from 1500 to now, does the richer side win in great power conflicts? Use the book The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000 and other sources. Do not be overly dependent on whatever you glean from this book and use other sources too. Apply this data with other relevant data and come up with various scenarios and their probabilities as far as the war in Ukraine. Taking into account Russia's stagflation and slowing economy. Take into account the effects of Ukraine's drone attacks on Russian refineries. Take into account the USA promise to provide long-range targeting data. Use other relevant data too like Europe's aging population and current economic challenges. And Russia's other economic problems and its demographic and labor problems.], October 2025
 
 
[[File:Ukraine War scenarios and their probabilities.png|thumbnail|center|1200px|2025: Russia-Ukraine War scenarios and their probabilities.<ref>[https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtNA%3D%3D_e415eda0-8315-435b-824b-3e664f9b92cb In what percentage of cases from 1500 to now, does the richer side win in great power conflicts? Use the book The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000 and other sources. Do not be overly dependent on whatever you glean from this book and use other sources too. Apply this data with other relevant data and come up with various scenarios and their probabilities as far as the war in Ukraine. Taking into account Russia's stagflation and slowing economy. Take into account the effects of Ukraine's drone attacks on Russian refineries. Take into account the USA promise to provide long-range targeting data. Use other relevant data too like Europe's aging population and current economic challenges. And Russia's other economic problems and its demographic and labor problems.], October 2025</ref>]]

In his March 2022 interview with ''The New Yorker'', Professor [[John Mearsheimer]] indicated:
{{Cquote|I’m talking about the raw-power potential of Russia—the amount of economic might it has. Military might is built on economic might. You need an economic foundation to build a really powerful military. To go out and conquer countries like Ukraine and the Baltic states and to re-create the former Soviet Union or re-create the former Soviet Empire in Eastern Europe would require a massive army, and that would require an economic foundation that contemporary Russia does not come close to having. There is no reason to fear that Russia is going to be a regional hegemony in Europe. Russia is not a serious threat to the United States. We do face a serious threat in the international system. We face a peer competitor. And that’s China. Our policy in Eastern Europe is undermining our ability to deal with the most dangerous threat that we face today.<ref>[https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-john-mearsheimer-blames-the-us-for-the-crisis-in-ukraine Why John Mearsheimer Blames the U.S. for the Crisis in Ukraine], The New Yorker, March 2022</ref>}}

In 2014, Mearsheimer said: "Russia is a declining power, and it will only get weaker with time."<ref>[https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2014-08-18/why-ukraine-crisis-west-s-fault Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault], Foreign Affairs, Published August 18, 2014</ref>

In a 2023 interview, John Mearsheimer said Russia was a "weak great power" (See: [https://youtu.be/FIfJNK2rLlQ?feature=shared&t=969 Why Russia-Ukraine War May End In A Frozen Conflict & Why US Should Focus On China: John Mearsheimer], 16:09 in the interview). Russia had great difficulty gaining land from the country of Ukraine which has a much smaller population due to Russia's weak military (see: [[Essay: Russian military weaknesses|Russian military weaknesses]]).

== 2030 and 2050 Forecast: USA/West power relative to other major powers ==

*[https://sites.google.com/view/usawestpower/home 2030 and 250 Forecast: USA/West power relative to other major powers]

== 2023 Analysis of the Russo-Ukraine War ==

[[File:John Mearsheimer.jpg|thumbnail|250px|right|John Mearsheimer]]
Professor [[John Mearsheimer]], is an American political scientist and [[international relations]] scholar, who belongs to the [[realist school of international relations]] and teaches at the [[University of Chicago]].

Mearsheimer predicted the [[war]] in Ukraine many years before it happened and he was one of the few scholars who did predict the war (See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wi_0oiZ7vU Exclusive Interview John Mearsheimer, Man Who Predicted Russia Ukraine War])

In December 2023, Mearsheimer indicated that he believes that the war in Ukraine may turn into a frozen conflict within a year.<ref>[https://youtu.be/F-Rj5LibR1o?si=0eKA3Bf6Rao_CT7R&t=2355 John Mearsheimer: There is no two-state solution]</ref> Given the unpredictability of wars, Mearsheimer has some intellectual humility and points out its hard to predict.

Mearsheimer believes that the war in Ukraine may end in a frozen conflict and not a meaningful peace agreement and that is probably the best we can hope for (See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIfJNK2rLlQ Why Russia-Ukraine War May End In A Frozen Conflict & Why US Should Focus On China: John Mearsheimer]). He also indicates that if such a frozen conflict were to happen it would be difficult to maintain and there could be flare-ups.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ_DZSHHRMc Decoding Global Powerplays: International Relations Expert, John Mearsheimer Interview | News18]</ref>

On August 23, 2023, ''Axios'' reported: "There are growing concerns in Kyiv and among U.S. allies in Europe that more and more Republicans on Capitol Hill will oppose aid to Ukraine as the 2024 election draws closer — potentially jeopardizing efforts to repel Russia's invasion there."<ref>[https://www.axios.com/2023/08/23/white-house-ukraine-war-aid-congress-support White House tells Ukraine, allies that Congress will back more war aid], Axios, 2023</ref> By November of 2023, after a failed Spring offensive by Ukraine, a Ukrainian top aide was slamming the West over their war fatigue.<ref>[https://www.politico.eu/article/top-zelenskyy-aide-slams-west-over-war-fatigue/ Zelenskyy’s top aide slams West over ‘war fatigue’], Politico, 2023</ref> In December 2023, the U.S. Congress failed to pass Ukraine aid because they insisted the Biden Administration agree to legislation that secured the USA's southern border which the Biden Administration failed to do. It is expected that the GOP will likely hang tough and so the Democrats will eventually have to move much closer to the Republican position on the USA's border crisis.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vyZUCJRnQ8 Political strategists on possible Ukraine aid-border security deal, GOP race for 2nd]</ref>

A ''Japan Times'' article published on November 6, 2023 entitled '''We're losing': Ukrainians reel from war chief's stalemate warning'':
{{Cquote| In eastern Ukraine, where another grueling winter is descending — along with it a likely freeze in major frontline movements — one Ukrainian soldier had a grim assessment of the conflict.
The 35-year-old fighting near the war-battered town of Bakhmut went further than comments from Ukraine's most senior military official, who conceded this week that the war with Russia had reached a stalemate.

"I've been saying that for some time now already. Step by step we're losing the war," said the serviceman, who uses the call sign "Mudryi" (Wise).

"The longer this static war continues, the worse it is for us," he said in a phone interview.<ref>[https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/11/06/world/politics/ukraine-war-grim-assessment/ 'We're losing': Ukrainians reel from war chief's stalemate warning], Japan Times</ref>}}

Business Insider reported on November 2023:
{{Cquote|Soldiers in Ukraine are veering increasingly older as the country grapples with a shortage of soldiers after roughly 20 months of brutal fighting against Russia.

As countless casualties have hampered Ukraine's forces, the average age of a soldier in the country is currently around 43 years old, Time magazine reported last week.

That average is up by nearly 10 years from March 2022, one month after the war began, when the average age of a Ukrainian soldier was between 30 and 35 years old, according to FT.

"They're grown men now, and they aren't that healthy to begin with," a close aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told Time. "This is Ukraine. Not Scandinavia."<ref>[https://www.businessinsider.com/average-age-ukrainian-soldier-43-amid-personnel-problems-2023-11 The average age of Ukrainian soldier is older than 40 as the country grapples with personnel problems], Business Insider, 2023</ref>}}

Alexander Mercouris is a UK writer on international affairs who cohosts [[The Duran YouTube channel]] with Alex Christoforou who lives in Cyprus. The Duran YouTube channel is a pro-Russia YouTube channel. On November 8, 2023, The Duran YouTube channel, published the video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IkNLieg1L0 West will choke on Putin's terms for Ukraine] which pointed how badly the war was going for Ukraine and that Ukraine and the West will not like Russia's terms for ending the conflict. In addition, they stated that the "stalemate narrative" that various pro-Ukrainian advocates are pushing are fake, absurd and born of desperation and that the Ukrainian army is running out of fighting men. In addition, Mercoouris noted that although the Biden Administration and the collective West will be hurt by the war in Ukraine, "The United States will pull through" and that it's "not an existential disaster" for the USA, but for Europe (Especially Germany) it will be a big blow.

In a November 2023 interview, John Mearsheimer said although there is a slim chance that the war will end soon with a neutral Ukraine (Due to the distrust of Russia towards Ukraine/West as a result of the duplicitiousness of Ukraine/West during the [[Minsk Agreements]]), Russia will annex two to four more oblasts in Ukraine especially the oblasts of Odessa and Kharkiv before the war ends. Once again, Mearsheimer indicates that the war in Ukraine may end in a unstable frozen conflict and not a meaningful peace agreement and that is probably the best we can hope for. (See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvFn7KUCTvE How the war in Ukraine will end | John Mearsheimer and Lex Fridman]). Mearsheimer also predicts that there will be a security competition between the USA/West/Ukraine and Russia that continues even if there is a frozen conflict and the risk of escalation is great. I agree with Mearsheimer about these matters.

While the average post [[WWII]] war that last longer than a year last about 10 years, given the growing Ukraine fatigue in the USA/West and Ukraine's military weakness relative to Russia, I am increasingly optimistic that the war will end significantly sooner than 10 years.<ref>[https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-does-it-end-what-past-wars-tell-us-about-how-save-ukraine#:~:text=Wars%20that%20end%20within%20a,average%2C%20resulting%20in%20sporadic%20clashes. How Does It End? What Past Wars Tell Us about How to Save Ukraine], 2022, Center for Strategic and International Studies website</ref>

Any "victory" Russia achieves in the war in Ukraine in terms of land gained will be a [[pyrrhic victory]] (See: [[Essay: Russia is dying out. The war in Ukraine is making Russia's demographic crisis even worse]] and [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future]]). I also predict that Ukraine will be wrecked and become a rump state.

Regardless of when the war ends, it will have hurt Ukraine, Russia, the West, and much of the world in significant ways and it would have been better if the war did not happen. For example, Ukraine is a big food producer and many third-world countries struggle when it comes to food security.

== Leaders' hatred of losing wars and nationalism ==

Here is something to consider: [[Essay: We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their Role in World History|We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their Role in World History]]

'''Key quote:''' "Russians, for example, estimated that their country was responsible for 61% of world history." - Source: [http://psychnet.wustl.edu/memory/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Zaromb_etal_JARMAC.pdf We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their Nation’s Role in World History], ''Journal of Applied Research in Memory and Cognition'', Volume 7, Issue 4, December 2018, Pages 521-528

[[File:National narcissism map by country - world map.png|thumbnail|1600px|center|Map data derived from: [http://psychnet.wustl.edu/memory/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Zaromb_etal_JARMAC.pdf We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their Nation’s Role in World History], ''Journal of Applied Research in Memory and Cognition'', Volume 7, Issue 4, December 2018, Pages 521-528]]

Also, look at these resources:

*[https://bigthink.com/the-past/russia-myths-and-realities/ Why Russia sees itself as much more than just a nation]
*[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7OWfEU1gv9Q Russia's predicament, Stephen Kotkin] (short video)

If Russia suffers from "national [[narcissism]]" and believes that Russia is responsible for 61% of all world history, then Trump and his team essentially has to "reason with crazy" so to speak. And you can't reason with crazy. So it's not surprising if it's true that the odds of Trump settling the conflict is less than 50% within the first 90 days of the Trump administration. But maybe Russia's sky-high inflation, Russian ruble that has fallen in value and Russia's big labor shortages, and an increasing chance of Russia falling into stagflation (Company bankruptcies are increasing in Russia due to the very high interest rates in Russia, etc.) will make the Russians more amenable to working out a deal with Trump soon.

Trump's team may eventually work out a deal with Russia (with the most likely outcome eventually being a frozen conflict that may flare up from time to time as mentioned above), but the odds does seem like it's less than 50% of it happening in the first 90 days of the Trump Administration.

=== Academic research ===

*[http://psychnet.wustl.edu/memory/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Zaromb_etal_JARMAC.pdf We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their We Made History: Citizens of 35 Countries Overestimate Their Nation’s Role in World History], ''Journal of Applied Research in Memory and Cognition'', Volume 7, Issue 4, December 2018, Pages 521-528

== How long do post WWII wars last? Some statistics. ==

[[Georgetown University]]'s Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) is a [[bipartisan]], nonprofit policy research organization & think tank analyzing global issues.

The Center for Strategic and International Studies article ''How Does It End? What Past Wars Tell Us about How to Save Ukraine''
{{Cquote|Analyzing data compiled by the Uppsala Conflict Data Program (UCDP) on conflict termination since 1946, 26 percent of interstate wars like Ukraine end in less than 30 days and another 25 percent end in less than a year. Wars that end within a month last on average eight days, and 44 percent end in a ceasefire or peace agreement. Of wars that last over a month but less than a year, only 24 percent end in a ceasefire. When interstate wars last longer than a year, they extend to over a decade on average, resulting in sporadic clashes.<ref>[https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-does-it-end-what-past-wars-tell-us-about-how-save-ukraine#:~:text=Wars%20that%20end%20within%20a,average%2C%20resulting%20in%20sporadic%20clashes. How Does It End? What Past Wars Tell Us about How to Save Ukraine], 2022, Center for Strategic and International Studies website </ref>}}
[[File:Georgetown 2.jpg|thumbnail|center|300px|[[Georgetown University]]'s Center for Strategic and International Studies indicates that most wars lasting over a year extend to over a decade on average, resulting in sporadic clashes.<ref>[https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-does-it-end-what-past-wars-tell-us-about-how-save-ukraine#:~:text=Wars%20that%20end%20within%20a,average%2C%20resulting%20in%20sporadic%20clashes. How Does It End? What Past Wars Tell Us about How to Save Ukraine], 2022, Center for Strategic and International Studies website </ref>]]
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== Ukraine fatigue and NATO/West funding the war in Ukraine ==

I see some definite signs of Ukraine fatigue such as the Republicans tying funding the war in Ukraine to border security across Mexico border and European right-wing parties gaining traction in Europe. In addition, as far as Russia, [https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_How_long_will_the_war_in_Ukraine_last_and_what_will_its_likely_outcomes_will_be%3F_A_prediction_on_its_outcomes#Russian_defector_reveals_that_a_.27majority.27_of_people_inside_the_Kremlin_are_unhappy_with_the_war_in_Ukraine there appears to be various people in the Kremlin who are unhappy about this war].

And just when I got my hopes up that the war might end relatively soon like in about a year or two, I see [[Joe Biden]], Germany's DW News, [[Bill Browder]] and Bloomberg News talk about confiscating Russia's $300 billion in frozen assets (which could hurt the value of the U.S. dollar):

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvA147TzhHA Russia Latest: Biden's Plan to Seize Assets, Push Zelenskiy], Bloomberg News, 2024

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRrxP6IrVnc US mulls seizing $300 billion in frozen Russian assets for Ukraine | DW News], 2024

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1nfIwMPq6A Bill Browder: Frozen Russian assets could fund Ukraine's defenses and reconstruction | DW News], 2024

== Russian defector reveals that a 'majority' of people inside the Kremlin are unhappy with the war in Ukraine ==

''See also:'' [[Essay: Are the Russians as unhappy as they claim they are?|Are the Russians as unhappy as they claim they are?]]

*[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-26/russia-defector-reveals-many-kremlin-members-unhappy-war-730/102526452 Russia defector reveals 'majority' of people inside Kremlin unhappy with war in Ukraine], Australian Broadcasting Corporation, June 2023

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmeZRN6YrN0 Russia defector reveals 'majority' of people inside Kremlin unhappy with war in Ukraine], ABC News video, July 2023
 
[[File:Moscow Grand Kremlin Palace3.jpg|center|thumbnail|400px|The Grand Kremlin Palace is a building in the Moscow Kremlin.
 
 
The Moscow Kremlin is a fortified complex in the center of Moscow. The Moscow Kremlin now serves as the official residence of the Russian president and as a museum.]]
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== Why did Putin invade Ukraine? A theory of degenerate autocracy ==

*[https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w31187/w31187.pdf Why did Putin invade Ukraine? A theory of degenerate autocracy] by Georgy Egorov and Konstantin Sonin, National Burea of Economic Research, Working Paper 31187, April 2023

== Endgame for the Ukrainian War ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUHKa3JNkBQ An Endgame for the Ukrainian War w/ John Mearsheimer, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen], 9-9-2023

== Russia getting pummeled in wars in Russian history that hyper Russophiles will not tell you about ==

See: [[Essay: Russia getting pummeled in wars in Russian history that hyper Russophiles will not tell you about|Russia getting pummeled in wars in Russian history that hyper Russophiles will not tell you about]]

== February 2022 might prove to be a pivotal moment in the future of global politics ==

See: [[Essay: February 2022 might prove to be a pivotal moment in the future of global politics|February 2022 might prove to be a pivotal moment in the future of global politics]]

== The specific month of April 2022 was not a pivotal point in international politics that will affect international politics for 30 years ==

*[[Essay: The SPECIFIC MONTH OF APRIL 2022 was not a pivotal point in politics that will affect politics for 30 years|The SPECIFIC MONTH OF APRIL 2022 was not a pivotal point in politics that will affect politics for 30 years]]

== Economic effects of the war on Russia ==

''See also:'' [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future|Why I am not bullish on Russia's future]]

=== Russian oil and gas revenue is down ===

'''Oil and gas are a significant part of the Russian economy. Russia is now selling oil and gas at a lower profit margin to China/India due to sanctions and Europe moving away from Russia oil/gas:'''

Russia's economy is not highly diversified. It is too dependent on oil and gas. See: [[Essay: Russia's economy and gas and oil profits will be BADLY damaged when China's economy declines|Russia's economy and gas and oil profits will be BADLY damaged when China's economy declines]]

Oil and gas are a significant part of the Russian economy. Russia is now selling oil and gas at a lower profit margin to China/India due to sanctions and Europe moving away from Russia oil/gas. China's economy is having significant problems compared to its past. If China's economy gets worse (And there is some evidence that China's future economy will may worse this decade and beyond), that is going to hurt the Russian economy.

"Even the act of diverting supplies to Asia entails a significant reduction in Russian companies’ profit margins. It costs a lot more to transport oil to Asian markets than to Europe, and there is not much spare transport capacity, which pushes up the cost of freight, reducing the profit made by Russian companies, whatever the amount at which the price is capped.

The price cap also enables Asian buyers to obtain big discounts on Russian oil. China and India may not officially be enforcing the cap, but it’s hard to imagine that companies from those countries will not use it to barter the price down. Indeed, this is already happening: some shipments to China due to be loaded onto tankers in January were sold at $5–6 cheaper per barrel than usual."<ref>[https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88639 Can Russia’s War Chest Withstand the New Oil Cap?]</ref>

*[https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russian-oil-gas-budget-revenues-almost-halved-january-june-2023-07-05/ Russian oil and gas budget revenues almost halved in the first half of 2023], Reuters, 2023

[[File:Oil-barrel-black-hi.png|thumbnail|225px|center|Oil and gas are a significant part of the Russian economy.
 
 
Russia is now selling oil and gas at a lower profit margin to China/India due to sanctions and Europe moving away from Russia oil/gas.<ref>[https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88639 Can Russia’s War Chest Withstand the New Oil Cap?]</ref> ]]
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[[File:Russian Monthly Oil Revenue from 2022 to July 2023.jpg|thumbnail|1000px|center|Russian monthly oil revenues from January 2022 to July 2023 (International Energy Agency estimates)<ref>[https://archive.md/ax8Sp#selection-4547.0-4547.60 Russia Oil Passes Price Cap as Export Revenue Hits 2023 High], Bloomberg News, August 11, 2023</ref>
 
 
In 2023, Russian oil revenues are considerably down from 2022.<ref>[https://archive.md/ax8Sp#selection-4547.0-4547.60 Russia Oil Passes Price Cap as Export Revenue Hits 2023 High], Bloomberg News, August 11, 2023</ref>]]
'''Countries with diversified economies are more resilient and stable:'''

Booz & Company was a global strategy consulting team established in the United States in 1914. The firm was acquired by PwC on April 4, 2014.

Below is the executive summary of their report entitled ''Resilient, stable, sustainable: The benefits of economic diversification''
{{Cquote|The effects of the recent global economic crisis were all-pervasive, and demonstrated that no economy is safe from destabilizing external events. Resource-dependent countries, with their narrow base of economic activity, are particularly vulnerable, but all countries may have vulnerabilities stemming from a lack of diversification in one or more economic dimensions, and they must be more vigilant in managing risks to their economies. Not only must a country’s gross domestic product (GDP) be balanced among sectors, but key elements of its economy must be varied, flexible, and readily applicable to a variety of economic opportunities, and areas of overconcentration must continually be identified and mitigated. Policymakers should work to achieve greater economic diversification, in order to reduce the impact of external events and foster more robust, resilient growth over the long term.

For resource-rich, developing economies, the immediate imperative is to diversify export-oriented sectors, but for the benefit of long-term sustainability, they must also look at the larger picture. A strong institutional and regulatory framework and workforce development initiatives are indispensable to the diversification effort; and proper management of human capital is key, especially in those countries experiencing a “demographic dividend.” Implementing such comprehensive diversification and risk management strategies won’t be easy, but the result—a
diverse, stable, and growing economy—is worth the effort.<ref>[https://www.strategyand.pwc.com/m1/en/reports/strategyand-resilient-stable-sustainable-benefits-economic-diversification.pdf ''Resilient, stable, sustainable: The benefits of economic diversification''], Booz & Company, 2011</ref>}}

'''Related articles:'''

*[https://www.amarilloedc.com/blog/the-importance-of-a-diversified-economy#:~:text=A%20diversified%20economy%20creates%20a,the%20growth%20of%20supporting%20industries. The Importance Of A Diversified Economy]

*[https://www.strategyand.pwc.com/m1/en/reports/strategyand-resilient-stable-sustainable-benefits-economic-diversification.pdf ''Resilient, stable, sustainable: The benefits of economic diversification'']

=== Other major economic effects of the war in Ukraine on Russia ===

[[File:MOEX Russia Index - stock index that tracks the performance of the 50 largest and most liquid stocks across 10 sectors in Russia.png|thumbnail|center|1000px|center|The MOEX Russia Index, or IMOEX, is a stock index that tracks the performance of the 50 largest and most liquid stocks across 10 sectors in Russia.
 
 
It is a capitalization-weighted composite index, which means that companies with larger market capitalization will constitute a larger percentage of the index's value.
 
 
Post the war in Ukraine, the MOEX index is down. However, in May of 2023 it was reported that the MOEX Russia Index has gained 24% in 2023 after tanking 42% in 2022.<ref>[https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/moscow-exchange-moex-index-highest-level-economic-sanctions-domestic-investors-2023-5 Russia's domestic stock investors, shut off from the international financial system, have helped send the Moscow Exchange to a 12-month high], Business Insider, 2023</ref> Russia's stock market is boosted by domestic investors who have few options amid sweeping sanctions.<ref>[https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/moscow-exchange-moex-index-highest-level-economic-sanctions-domestic-investors-2023-5 Russia's domestic stock investors, shut off from the international financial system, have helped send the Moscow Exchange to a 12-month high], Business Insider, 2023</ref>]]
[[File:Ruble.jpg|thumbnail|2000px|center|Russian 100 ruble currency note
 
 
Recently, the Russian ruble has seen a big decline:
 
 
*[https://www.marketwatch.com/story/russian-ruble-slides-to-16-month-low-against-u-s-dollar-as-capital-flight-shrinking-trade-surplus-bite-90c2cfbc?mod=search_headline Russian ruble slides to 16-month low against U.S. dollar as capital flight, shrinking trade surplus bite], Marketwatch, August 14, 2023
 
 
*[https://archive.md/xJuj3#selection-4295.8-4295.22 Russia’s War-Torn Economy Hits Its Speed Limit: Economists see this week’s currency gyrations not as the beginning of a financial crisis but rather as a symptom of the Kremlin’s sclerotic economic prospects], ''Wall Street Journal'', August 2023
 
 
*[https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-minister-now-us-truck-driver-salary-same-ruble-crashed-2023-8 The Russian ruble hit a 16-month low this week and is one of the worst performing currencies in 2023], August, 2023
 
 
*[https://www.barrons.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-081523/card/russia-cranks-interest-rates-to-12-in-emergency-move-supporting-ruble-qZIrzuCgo6bOG4LVggRQ Russia Cranks Interest Rates to 12% in Emergency Move Supporting Ruble], Barron's, August 2023
 
 
*[https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/russia-economy-crash-ruble-imports-account-finance-putin-moscow-ukraine-2023-7 5 stats show how Russia's economy is declining], Business Insider, 2023]]
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[[File:Ruble 8-26-2023.jpg|thumbnail|center|1000px|Chart of the currency exchange between the Russian ruble to dollars from December 5, 2003 to August 26, 2023]]
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=== Russia's demographic crisis has been made worse by the war in Ukraine ===

[[File:Russia's population size.jpg|thumbnail|500px|center|[https://archive.md/59f2N#selection-857.0-857.70 Russia’s population nightmare is going to get even worse], 2023
 
 
The war in Ukraine has aggravated a crisis that long predates the conflict. See: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#:~:text=Demographic%20crisis,-See%20also%3A%20Demographic&text=Russia%20has%20become%20increasingly%20reliant,decline%20in%20over%20a%20decade. Demographics of Russia] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Russia Aging of Russia] ]]
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Russia's fertility rate of 1.58 births per woman is one of the lowest fertility rates in the world.<ref name="IntelliNews">[https://intellinews.com/russian-fertility-rates-fall-to-record-lows-on-the-back-of-a-deteriorating-economy-and-sanctions-pressure-243191/ Russian fertility rates fall to record lows on the back of a deteriorating economy and sanctions pressure], bne IntelliNews, 2022</ref> It's fertility rate is below the replacement rate of 2.1 births per woman.

Demographers estimate Russia will fall from being the 9th most populous country in the world to being the 17th by 2050.<ref name="IntelliNews"/> And estimates indicate that Russia's population will drop from 2014's 142 million to 128 million by 2050.<ref name="IntelliNews"/>

Russia will go out swinging (Ukraine, etc.), but its age demographics (which is among the worst in the world in terms of an aging population) and other problems will cause a cultural collapse in Russia in the 21st century (See: [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUvJPdHqYYiHaspPfyBkYLqYfiOXHyduu Peter Zeihan's demography series]). See: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#:~:text=Demographic%20crisis,-See%20also%3A%20Demographic&text=Russia%20has%20become%20increasingly%20reliant,decline%20in%20over%20a%20decade. Demographics of Russia] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Russia Aging of Russia]

Russia, fertility rate and demographics videos:

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuhgLlxJMkU Demographics of the Orthodox Christain world] by [[Peter Zeihan]]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-pdZSv7G10&t=23s Russia's Demographic Crisis Explained - TLDR News]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXHZ0IH2rOk&t=2s Updates on Russian Demographics]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH7QSCU1j_o Russia’s Demographic Crisis is Getting Worse]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1aFbmpE1wU (Russia is DONE) Russia's Catastrophic Demographics Collapse is Here.]

The war in Ukraine is making Russia's demographic crisis worse (See: [[Essay: Russia is dying out. The war in Ukraine is making Russia's demographic crisis even worse|Russia is dying out. The war in Ukraine is making Russia's demographic crisis even worse]]).

Other articles related this war in Ukraine making Russia's demographic crisis worse:

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R--yq_RfvMY Russia Facing Population Disaster - Demographic Crisis, Employee Shortages & Economic Crisis]
*[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/02/26/russia-stares-population-abyss-putin-sends-young-men-die/ Russia stares into population abyss as Putin sends its young men to die], ''The Telegraph'', February 2023
*[https://archive.md/shYl8#selection-335.0-335.16 Millennials and Gen Z are blaming Putin for intensifying Russia’s baby shortfall: ‘It’s pretty bad for us’], Fortune magazine, December 3, 2022
*[https://healthpolicy-watch.news/russia-population-drop/ Dramatic Population Drop in Russia, as War, COVID and Emigration Exacerbate Declining Births], 6/03/2023

For more information, please see:

*[https://theweek.com/russia/1017914/russias-catastrophic-missing-men-problem Russia's 'catastrophic' missing men problem], ''The Week'', 2023
*[https://english.elpais.com/opinion/the-global-observer/2023-04-19/russias-population-shrinks-and-chinas-ages.html Russia’s population shrinks and China’s ages], Shifting demographics are posing unprecedented challenges for China and Russia, 2023

== User: Conservative essays on international politics ==

[[File:Putin 2023.jpg|thumbnail|right|225px|[[Essay: Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian|Vladimir Putin]]
 
 
See also: [[Essay: Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian|Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian]] ]]

=== General essays on international politics ===

*[[Essay: The myth of multipolarity. What do the terms unipolar, bipolar and multipolar mean as far as international relations?|The myth of multipolarity. What do the terms unipolar, bipolar and multipolar mean as far as international relations?]]
*[[Essay: What drives Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin?|What drives Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin?]]
*[[Essay: Why has the West been so successful?|Why has the West been so successful?]]

=== The United States ===

*[[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]

=== China ===

*[[Essay:Skepticism about China remaining a global power|Skepticism about China remaining a global power]]

*[[Essay: The rising rule of communist idiocracy in China|The rising rule of communist idiocracy in China]]

=== Russia ===

*[[Essay: Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian|Vladimir Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat and an authoritarian]]

*[[Essay: Russian war crimes in Ukraine|Russian war crimes in Ukraine]]

*[[Essay: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future|Why I am not bullish on Russia's future]]

*[[Essay: Russia is dying out. The war in Ukraine is making Russia's demographic crisis even worse|Russia is dying out. The war in Ukraine is making Russia's demographic crisis even worse]]

*[[Essay: China's economic decline will contribute to Russia's decline|China's economic decline will contribute to Russia's decline]]

*[[Essay: Russia's economy and gas and oil profits will be BADLY damaged when China's economy declines|Russia's economy and gas and oil profits will be BADLY damaged when China's economy declines]]

*[[Essay: The war in Ukraine and Western sanctions will significantly hurt the Russian economy|The war in Ukraine and Western sanctions will significantly hurt the Russian economy]]

*[[Essay: Russia's economy will enter a long-term decline|Russia's economy will enter a long-term decline]]

*[[Essay: Are the Russians as unhappy as they claim they are?|Are the Russians as unhappy as they claim they are?]]

*[[Essay: Russia has the 3rd highest rate of divorce in the world.|Russia has the 3rd highest rate of divorce in the world]]

*[[Essay: Is Vladimir Putin a beacon of family values or a complete failure in this matter?|Is Vladimir Putin a beacon of family values or a complete failure in this matter?]]

*[[Essay: Do you strongly believe in gun rights? Don't move to Russia!|Do you strongly believe in gun rights? Don't move to Russia!]]

*[[Essay: The Russian Army compared to the Israeli army. Why is the Israeli army so outstanding?|The Russian Army compared to the Israeli army. Why is the Israeli army so outstanding?]]

*[[Essay: Nordsteam pipelines being sabotaged and Putin failing to play politics several moves ahead on the politics chess board|Nordsteam pipelines being sabotaged and Putin failing to play politics several moves ahead on the politics chess board]]

*[[Essay: Vladimir Putin understimates small opponents - big time!|Vladimir Putin understimates small opponents - big time!]] - Humor

*[[Essay: There is no evidence that Vladimir Putin plays chess|There is no evidence that Vladimir Putin plays chess]] - Humor

*[[Essay: Why a Westerner falling for Russian propaganda is like a man who is seduced by a corrupt 300 pound woman|Essay: Why a Westerner falling for Russian propaganda is like a man who is seduced by a corrupt 300 pound woman]] - Humor

== See also ==

*[[User:Conservative's essays]]

== External links ==

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0aUVl14D4 John Mearsheimer - Geopolitical Stalemate - A Recipe for Endless Conflict]
*[https://thekennedybeacon.substack.com/p/what-were-not-being-told-about-the?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2 What We’re Not Being Told About the War in Ukraine] by Daniel Kovalik
*[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sDAWUpSa5ZE ‘There’s no deal to be had here.’ John Mearsheimer on Ukraine and Russia]
*[https://www.german-times.com/why-modern-wars-never-end-violence-has-morphed-from-a-political-instrument-into-an-economic-resource-but-this-is-only-one-of-five-reasons-for-todays-never-ending-conflicts/ Why modern wars never end. Violence has morphed from a political instrument into an economic resource, but this is only one of five reasons for today’s never-ending conflicts], ''German Times'', 2019
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_by_duration List of conflicts by duration]

==References==
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Obama born alive controversy

2025-10-13T08:43:45Z

JZambrano: /* 2008 Primary Election */

Substantial controversy has surrounded '''[[Barack Obama|Barack Obama's]]''' voting record as an Illinois state senator on [[abortion]] since 2004, when [[Alan Keyes]], his opponent for the [[U.S. Senate]], made Obama's record central to his campaign. Since then, [[Jill Stanek]], a central witness before [[Congress]], whose moving testimony led to passage of the federal ''Born Alive Infant Protection Act'', has been the primary critic of Obama's voting record on the issue.

The votes are especially controversial because they fall outside the typical Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice debate, dealing not with [[abortion]], but children left to die after botched abortions. From 1996-2003, Barack Obama made at least 7 controversial votes against bills mandating medical care for newborn children after late-term, botched abortions known as D&E procedures. In 2002 the Federal ''Born Alive Infant Protection Act'' made it a U.S. crime to let children die like this, and the 2003 Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act was passed outlawing the specific D&E procedures making them possible, even declaring this to be "Infanticide" in Section 2, 14(G) and 14(O).<ref name=partialbirth>''United States Congress'' (2003, March 13). "[http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-108s3enr/pdf/BILLS-108s3enr.pdf S.3: Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003]."</ref> The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act had 70% public approval by the time of its passage<ref>Ray, J. (2003, July 8). "[https://www.gallup.com/poll/8791/gallup-brain-opinions-partialbirth-abortions.aspx Gallup Brain: Opinions on Partial-Birth Abortions]." ''Gallup''.</ref> (a 2011 poll shows 64% support<ref>''Gallup''. "[https://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx Abortion]." pg. 1.</ref>) yet the ''Born Alive Infant Protection Act'' was far more popular, to the extent that in Obama's own words, it was "the federal bill that everybody supported."<ref name=brody>Brody, David (2008, August 16). "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skq5M1Ksp_c McCain/Obama Forum]." ''CNN''. Uploaded to ''YouTube'' by Jill Stanek. David Brody (August 16, 2008). "[http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2008/08/16/obama-gets-heated-on-born-alive-infant-protection-act.aspx Obama Gets Heated on Born Alive Infant Protection Act]." ''CBN News''. The Brody File.</ref>

The ''Born Alive Infant Protection Act'' passed the U.S. Senate unanimously. Even normally Pro-Choice Democrats like Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and Barbara Boxer voted for the ''Born Alive Infant Protection Act''<ref>wpcomimportuser1 (2008, September 23). "[http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2008/09/23/obama_calls_born_alive_ad_a_de/ Obama Calls Born Alive Ad a 'Despicable Lie']." ''Real Clear Politics''. Time Magazine.</ref> - even as Obama was voting down an identical bill in the Illinois State Senate. Obama has attempted since 2004 to explain away his votes, variously calling critics liars, saying the bills he voted against were dissimilar from the federal bill everybody supported (a lie that was debunked in 2008 by a CNN expose resulting in an Obama campaign admission that he misspoke), and saying the Illinois law was already sufficient to protect newborn infants. Obama's "Fight the Smears" site striving to deny his votes on the bills has since vanished from the web or it would be quoted.

The issue featured prominently in the 2008 presidential election as well, with both [[Sarah Palin]] and [[John McCain]] raising the issue, and major press coverage by CNN and other news media reporting on the controversy. Obama ultimately voted 'Present' or 'No' on 7 of the 'Born Alive' bills:

* SB 1082 (2003 Born Alive Infant Defined Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1082&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3910&SessionID=3&GA=93 Bill Status of SB 1082]. 93rd General Assembly.</ref>
* SB 1661 (2002 Induced Birth Infant Liability Act)<ref name=1661a>(2002, April 4). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 29-35.</ref><ref name=1661b>State of Illinois. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/sbgroups/sb/920SB1661LV.html 92nd General Assembly Legislation: SB 1661].</ref>
* SB 1662 (2002)<ref>''State of Illinois''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/sbgroups/sb/920SB1662LV.html 92nd General Assembly Legislation: SB 1662].</ref>
* SB 1093 (2001 Born Alive Infants Protection Act)<ref name=1093a>(2001, March 30). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 84-88.</ref><ref name=1093b>[http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1093.html Status of SB 1093]. 92nd General Assembly. ILGA.gov.</ref>
* SB 1094 (2001 Induced Birth Infant Liability Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1094.html Status of SB 1094]. 92nd General Assembly.</ref><ref>
(2001, March 30). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 88-89.</ref>
* SB 1095 (2001 Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1929&ChapAct=720%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B513%2F&ChapterID=53&ChapterName=CRIMINAL+OFFENSES&ActName=Partial-birth+Abortion+Ban+Act Criminal Offenses: 720 ILCS/513/ Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act]. Illinois Compiled Statutes.</ref><ref>Illinois General Assembly. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1095.html Status of SB 1095]. 92nd General Assembly.</ref><ref>State of Illinois. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/srollcalls92/920sb1095_03302001_030000t.pdf 92nd General Assembly Senate Vote: Senate Bill No. 1095].</ref><ref>(2001, March 30). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. State of Illinois. pp. 89-90.</ref>
* SB 230 (1997 Partial-birth Abortion Ban Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/status/900SB0230.html 90th General Assembly: Status of SB 0230].</ref><ref>(1997, March 18). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans90/ST031897.pdf 90th General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 59-66.</ref>
==1996-2003 Illinois Senate Transcripts==
The following are quotes from Barack Obama himself on the controversial bills at the time, that would later cause such controversy, and which have been repeatedly quoted from in the press:
===Transcript, Born Alive Infants Protection Act===
March 30, 2001. Pages 84–88 of Illinois Senate Transcript at ILGA.gov.<ref name="1093a"/>
<ref name="1093b"/> {{cquote|"Senator O'Malley, the testimony during the committee indicated that one of the key concerns was - is that there was a method of abortion, an induced abortion, where the -- the fetus or child, as - as some might describe it, is still temporarily alive outside the womb. And one of the concerns that came out in the testimony was the fact that they were not being properly cared for during that brief period of time that they were still living. Is that correct?"

"Well, it turned out - that during the testimony a number of members who are typically in favor of a woman's right to choose an abortion were actually sympathetic to some of the concerns that your - you raised and that were raised by witnesses in the testimony. And there was some suggestion that we might be able to craft something that might meet constitutional muster with respect to caring for fetuses or children who were delivered in this fashion. Unfortunately, this bill goes a little bit further, and so I just want to suggest, not that I think it'll make too much difference with respect to how we vote, that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny."

"Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a - a child, a nine-month-old -- child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it - it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional. The second reason that it would probably befound unconstitutional is that this essentially says that a doctor is required to provide treatment to a previable child, or fetus, however way you want to describe it. Viability is the line that has been drawn by the Supreme Court to determine whether or not an abortion can or cannot take place. And if we're placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as - as is necessary to try to keep that child alive, then we're probably crossing the line in terms of unconstitutionality. Now, as I said before, this probably won't make any difference. I recall the last time we had a debate about abortion, we passed a bill out of here. I suggested to Members of the Judiciary Committee that it was unconstitutional and it would be struck down by the Seventh Circuit. It was. I recognize this is a passionate issue, and so I - I won't, as I said, belabor the point. I think it's important to recognize though that this is an area where potentially we might have compromised and - and arrived at a bill that dealt with the narrow concerns about how a - a previable fetus or child was treated by a hospital. We decided not to do that. We're going much further than that in this bill. As a consequence, I think that we will probably end up in court once again, as we often do, on this issue. And as a consequence, I'll be voting Present."}}
===Transcript, Induced Birth Infants Liability Act===
April 4, 2002. Pages 29–35 of Illinois Senate Transcript at ILGA.gov.<ref name="1661a"/> {{cquote|"Thank you Mr. President. Will the sponsor yield for a question?"

"Yes, just along the same lines. Obviously this is an issue that we've debated extensively both in committee and on the Floor, so I -- you know, I don't want to belabor it. But I did want to point out, as I understood it, during the course of the discussion in committee, one of the things that we were concerned about, or at least I expressed some concern about, was what impact this would have with respect to the relationship between the doctor and the patient and what liabilities the doctor might have in this situation. So, can you just describe for me, under this legislation, what's going to be required for a doctor to meet the requirements that you've set forth?"

"So -- and again, I'm -- I'm not going to prolong this, but I just want to be clear because I think this was the source of the objections of the Medical Society. As I understand it, this puts the burden on the attending physician who has determined, since they were performing this procedure, that, in fact, this is a nonviable fetus; that if that fetus, or child - however way you want to describe it - is now outside the mother's womb and the doctor continues to think that its nonviable but there's, lets say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they're not just out limp and dead, they would then have to call a second physician to monitor and check off and make sure that this is not a live child that could be saved. Is that correct?"

"Let me just go to the bill, very quickly. Essentially, I think, as -- as this emerged during debate and during committee, the only plausible rationale, to my mind, for this legislation would be if you had a suspicion that a doctor, the attending physician, who has made an assessment that this is a nonviable fetus and that, lets say for the purposes of the mother's health, is being -- that -- that labor is being induced, that that physician (a) is going to make the wrong assessment and (b) if the physician discovered, after the labor had been induced, that, in fact, he made an error, or she made an error, and, in fact, that that physician, of his own accord or her own accord, would not try to exercise the sort of medical measures and practices that would be involved in saving that child. Now, if -- if you think that there are possibilities that doctors would not do that, then maybe this bill makes sense, but I -- I suspect and my impression is, is that the Medical Society suspects as well that doctors feel that they would be under that obligation, that they would already be making these determinations and that, essentially, adding a -- an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion. Now, if that's the case - and --and I know that some of us feel very strongly one way or another on that issue - that's fine, but I think it's important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births. Because if these children are being born alive, I, at least, have [[confidence]] that a doctor who is in that room is going to make sure that they're looked after. Thank you, Mr. President."}}
==2004 General Election==
After a number of candidates including former Chicago Bears coach Mike Ditka declined to run,<ref>''CNN'' (2004, August 9). "[http://articles.cnn.com/2004-08-09/politics/il.keyes_1_senate-candidate-senate-race-illinois-senate?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS Keyes Challenges Obama for Illinois Senate Seat]."</ref> the Illinois GOP finally settled on fiery Alan Keyes, a former Ambassador to the Economic and Social Counsel of the United Nations,<ref name=spivak>Spivak, Todd (2008, February 28). "[https://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/ Barack Obama and Me]." ''Houston Press''.</ref> with less than three months left before the November 2004 election.<ref name=msnbc>''MSNBC'' (2008, February 20). "[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23257295/ns/msnbc_tv-documentaries/t/obama-becomes-rising-star-among-democrats/ Obama Becomes Rising Star Among Democrats]."</ref> His sudden entrance into the state for the election was initially attacked in the press as "carpetbagging".<ref>''Chicago Tribune''. "[http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-08-06/news/0408060313_1_mr-keyes-judy-baar-topinka-alan-keyes The GOP's Rent-A-Senator]."</ref><ref>''Washington Post'' (2004, August 9). "[https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50885-2004Aug8.html Mr. Keyes the Carpetbagger].</ref><ref name=pearson>Pearson, Rick (2004, September 5). "[http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-09-05/news/0409050304_1_selfish-hedonist-alan-keyes-illinois-republican-party Keyes, State GOP Gearing Up Blame Campaign]." ''Chicago Tribune''.</ref> Keyes repeatedly claimed his primary motivation for entering a race he had seemingly no chance of winning was his disgust at Obama's votes on the popular [[Born Alive]] bills. Keyes, from his first day of arriving in Illinois (August 9, 2004),<ref name=assails>''Associated Press'' (2004, August 9). "[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5654128/ Keyes Assails Obama's Abortion Views]."</ref> accused Obama of having voted against bills mandating medical care for newborn children, and supporting "infanticide" (the term twice used in the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act<ref name=partialbirth />) where hospitals left newborn infants to die like garbage.<ref>Smiley, Tavis (2004, August 31). "[http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=341 Alan Keyes on the Tavis Smiley Show]." ''NPR''.</ref><ref>''CBS2 Chicago'' (2004, August 30). "[http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=337 Alan Keyes on CBS2 Chicago This Morning]." This Morning.</ref> {{cquote|"I'll also tell you quite clearly and unequivocally that if those [Obama's liberal votes] had been the only points of difference between us, it would not have been me! What finally caught my eye, however... was when I learned that in April 2002, Obama had cast a vote that would continue to allow LIVE BIRTH ABORTIONS in the state of Illinois. It's very important that you understand what I'm talking about. We are talking about a situation in which, in the course of an abortion procedure, a child has been born alive -- she is out of the womb, breathing and living on her own – and Obama cast a vote AGAINST the idea that that child's life should be spared. Obama's position and his vote would make it legal to condemn that innocent babe to death!"
-Alan Keyes, August 18, 2004<ref>Keyes, Alan (2004, August 18). "[https://www.mail-archive.com/newsandviews@chuckmuth.com/msg00699.html How You Can Help Alan Keyes for Senate!]." ''Keyes2004 Inc.''</ref>}} Obama in a debate on October 13, 2004, defended himself against Keyes' accusations of infanticide, retorting, {{cquote|"If Ambassador Keyes had called me up, he could have saved himself a trip, because existing Illinois law mandates that any infant that has a chance of survival is provided life-saving treatment."<ref>''Chicago Tribune'' (2004, October 13). "[http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-10-13/news/0410140004_1_alan-keyes-senate-race-first-of-three-debates Debate or Discussion?]"</ref>}} Keyes maintained that Jesus Christ would not vote for Obama because of his voting record on the subject,<ref>Thomas, Scott (2004, September 7). "[http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=348 Alan Keyes on the Scott Thomas Show (AM1160 - WYLL)]." ''Scott Thomas Show''. Chicago, Illinois.</ref> a claim that Jill Stanek would repeat years later.<ref>Stanek, Jill (2006, June 19). "[https://www.wnd.com/2006/07/37080/ Why Jesus Would Not Vote for Barack Obama]." ''WorldNetDaily''.</ref>
==2008 Primary Election==
In 2007-08, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton competed for the Democratic nomination. Hillary Clinton cleverly resurrected the "Born Alive" controversy surrounding Obama that had lain largely dormant since 2004 (notwithstanding the continuing mentions by Jill Stanek), by accusing Obama of not being pro-choice for voting "Present" on a number of abortion-related bills - including the Born Alive ones,<ref name=clinton>Berman, Russell (2008, January 17). "[https://www.nysun.com/national/clinton-obama-should-vote-no-on-abortion-issue/69700/ Clinton: Obama Should Vote 'No' On Abortion Issue She Backed]." ''New York Sun''.</ref><ref>Hernandez, Raymond & Drew, Christopher (2007, December 20). "[https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html?pagewanted=all It's Not Just 'Ayes' and 'Nays': Obama's Votes in Illinois Echo]." ''New York Times''.</ref> and cowardly ducking the votes.<ref>''Politi-Fact''. "[https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/13/hillary-clinton/yes-but-its-complicated/ Response to Hillary Clinton Comment for January 21st, 2008]." Truth-o-Meter.</ref> This led to criticism of Obama by two pro-choice organizations, Emily's List, and the National Organization for Women.<ref>Dorning, Mike (2008, January 14). "[http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/obama_campaign_mounts_defense.html The Swamp: Obama Campaign Defends His Abortion-Rights Record]." ''Chicago Tribune''.</ref><ref name=dorn>Dorn, Michael (2008, February 6). "[http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_voting_record_on_aborti_1.html Obama's Voting Record on Abortion]." ''Washington Post''.</ref><ref>Newton-Small, Jay (2008, January 14). "[http://swampland.time.com/2008/01/14/obama_campaign_defends_present/ Obama Campaign Defends 'Present' Abortion Votes]." ''Time Magazine''.</ref> The ''Washington Post'' Fact-Checker noted that Obama had actually used the 'Present' voting strategy against 7 different abortion related bills, two versions of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act (SB 230 and HB 382), two versions of the parental notice of abortion act (HB 1900 and SB 562), and three of the "Born Alive" bills (SB 1093, 1094, and 1095).<ref>Dorning, Mike (2007, December 20). "[http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/criticism_of_obama_present_vot.html Clinton Camp Criticizes Obama 'Present' Votes]." The Swamp. ''Chicago Tribune''.</ref> However, Pam Sutherland, the long-time head of Illinois Planned Parenthood, came to Obama's aid, criticizing Clinton for making the attack, and stating repeatedly that Obama's present votes were part of a broader strategy used by Planned Parenthood to keep Illinois voters from knowing their state senators were voting against the controversial and popular bills.<ref>Hernandez, Raymond & Drew, Christopher (2007, December 20). "[https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20cnd-obama.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin Obama's Vote in Illinois Was Often Just 'Present']." ''New York Times''.</ref><ref>Zorn, Eric (2007, December 4). "[http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2007/12/disparagement-o.html Change of Subject: Disparagement of Obama Votes Doesn't Hold Up]." ''Chicago Tribune''.</ref> {{cquote|"He came to me and said: ‘My members are being attacked. We need to figure out a way to protect members and to protect women. A ‘present’ vote was hard to pigeonhole which is exactly what Obama wanted. What it did was give cover to moderate Democrats who wanted to vote with us but were afraid to do so" because of how their votes would be used against them electorally. A ‘present’ vote would protect them. Your senator voted ‘present.’ Most of the electorate is not going to know what that means."
-Pam Sutherland, President/CEO of Illinois Planned Parenthood Council, 1980-2012<ref>Davis, Teddy (2007, July 17). "[https://web.archive.org/web/20130414215754/https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2007/07/obama-abortion/ Obama Abortion Dodges Blessed by Planned Parenthood], ''ABC News''.</ref>}} This was also reiterated by Steve Trombley, the President of Planned Parenthood Chicago, that it was a strategy to deceive Illinoisans about the controversial bills.<ref>Follmer, Max (2008, March 28). "[https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/14/obama-emphasizes-prochoic_n_81460.html Obama Emphasizes Pro-Choice Voting Record as Clinton Questions 'Present' Votes]." ''Huffington Post''.</ref> Sutherland further praised Obama for the strategy, saying it made him a "leader".<ref>Bettelheim, Adriel (2008, February 13). "[https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/feb/13/obamas-present-tension/ Obama's 'Present' Tension]." ''PolitiFact''.</ref> It is probable that Clinton actually was being sarcastic when she made the remarks about Obama not being as pro-choice as her for voting 'Present' instead of 'No' on the Born Alive bills, since as Jill Stanek noted, "Clinton is being so audacious trying to claim that Obama is less pro-choice when on the very same bill she voted pro-life. It's just astounding." By forcing him to defend his pro-choice record, she made it evident how extreme he was in voting against the Born Alive bills she and the entire U.S. Senate had voted unanimously to approve.<ref name=clinton />

==2008 General Election==
During the 2008 General Election, Obama's voting record on the "Born Alive" bills came once more to the forefront. On June 30, 2008, CNN gave voice to the growing controversy, and revealed the defense Obama had been using since 2004-2008, that the Illinois bills he'd voted against were different from the federal bill, was false, since he'd brought up for a vote a bill word for word identical to the federal bill in the Health and Human Services Committee he chaired, and voted against it, defeating it. {{cquote|Carol Costello, CNN: "In 2001, when Obama was an Illinois state senator, he and his colleagues considered a bill called the 'Born Alive Infant Protection Act', which 'Provided that a live child born as a result of an induced abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law.' The bill caused an uproar in Illinois, fueled by dramatic testimony by a former Chicago nurse, Jill Stanek... And Senator Obama says if he had been in the U.S. Senate in 2002 he too would have voted in favor of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act because unlike the Illinois bill, it included language protecting Roe v. Wade."

Bill Bennett, CNN: "The more you look into this, the worse it is for Barack Obama to deny it, 'cause if you look into the record, and Carol did a good job, you will see the 2003 bill had exactly the same language as the federal bill, and Barack Obama voted against it. This was not about Roe v. Wade, this was not about [[abortion]], this was about protecting these babies when they are alive, after 7 months, 5 months, 6 months; whether it be an abortion, or through birth, or through any other means. And Barack Obama, what he is saying is just false, check the record. The more you dig into it, the worse it looks. He should just say - whatever he wants; something else. I was naive, I didn't realize how close it was to the federal act; he cannot say it was different from the federal act, it was the same."<ref>''CNN''. "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZCXcTwZPY How He Really Voted on Abortion: Obama's Record Under Attack]." ''The Situation Room''. Uploaded to ''YouTube'' by Jill Stanek. ''CNN''. "[http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0806/30/sitroom.02.html Transcripts: June 30, 2008]." The Situation Room.</ref>}} In July, the National Right to Life Committee began calling attention to Bill Bennett's claim, that [[Barack Obama|Obama]] had voted against a bill identical to the federal ''Born Alive Infant Protection Act'', and accusing the Obama campaign of a "cover-up".<ref>''National Right to Life Committee''. "[https://www.nrlc.org/news/2008/NRL08/ObamaCoverup.html Obama Cover-up Revealed on Born-Alive Abortion Survivor's Bill]." NRL News, Vol. 35, Issue 7-8, pg. 5.</ref>

On August 16, 2008, CNN's David Brody confronted Obama about the issue during the Rick Warren-hosted McCain/Obama debates, with Obama providing a number of different defenses, including a new one that laws already existed in Illinois to protect newborn children. {{cquote|Barack Obama: ...they have not been telling the truth. I hate to say that people are lying, but here's a situation where folks are lying. I have said repeatedly that I would have been completely and fully in support of the federal bill that everybody supported, which was to say that you should provide assistance to any infant that was born, even if it was as a consequence of an induced abortion. That was not the bill that was presented at the state level. What that bill also was doing was trying to undermine Roe v. Wade. By the way, we also had a law already in place in Illinois that ensured life-saving treatment was given to infants. So for people to suggest that I and the Illinois Medical Society, so Illinois' doctors, were somehow in favor of withholding life-saving support from an infant born alive - is ridiculous.<ref name=brody />}} When the NRLC publicly challenged the Obama camp on August 17, to declare the new documents forgeries, or admit he misrepresented his voting record and apologize for calling critics liars, the Obama campaign admitted the same day he "misspoke" and had voted against an identical bill to the "federal bill that everybody supported" but focused on Obama's new claim, that Illinois law was already sufficient to protect newborn children. The NRLC promptly declared "Senator Barack Obama's four-year effort to cover up his full role in killing legislation to protect born-alive survivors of abortions continues to unravel."<ref>Johnson, Douglas (2008, August 18). "[https://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/Obamacoveruponbornalive.htm Obama Cover-up on Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Continues to Unravel After Sen. Obama Says NRLC is 'Lying']." ''National Right to Life Committee''.</ref> {{cquote|Indeed, Mr. Obama appeared to misstate his position in the CBN interview on Saturday when he said the federal version he supported "was not the bill that was presented at the state level." His campaign yesterday acknowledged that he had voted against an identical bill in the state Senate, and a spokesman, Hari Sevugan, said the senator and other lawmakers had concerns that even as worded, the legislation could have undermined existing Illinois abortion law. Those concerns did not exist for the federal bill, because there is no federal abortion law.<ref>Berman, Russell (2008, August 18). "[https://www.nysun.com/national/obama-facing-attacks-from-all-sides-over-abortion/84059/ Obama Facing Attacks From All Sides Over Abortion Record]." ''New York Sun''.</ref>}}
== 2012 ==
The issue resurfaced in February 2012 when Newt Gingrich said, "If we’re going to have a debate about who the extremist is on these issues, it is President Obama, who as a state senator voted to protect doctors who killed babies who survived the [[abortion]]".<ref>Woodward, C. & Raum, T. (2012, February 23). "[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/23/gop-debate-candidates-errant-claims-auto-bailout/?page=all#pagebreak FACT CHECK: Candidates make errant claims during GOP debate]." ''Associated Press''.</ref> Rick Santorum likewise repeated this, saying, "any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed."<ref>Yellin, J. & Metzger, T. (2012, February 24). "[http://articles.cnn.com/2012-02-24/politics/politics_fact-checking-gingrich-infanticide-charge_1_bar-abortions-opponents-of-abortion-rights-barack-obama?_s=PM:POLITICS Fact-checking Gingrich's charge Obama voted in favor of 'infanticide']." ''CNN Politics''.</ref> Newt Gingrich later accused the national media of not covering Obama's controversial history on the Born Alive bills.<ref>Brennan, P. (2012, February 29). "[https://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292204/obama-s-infanticide-votes-patrick-brennan Obama's Infanticide Votes]." ''National Review''. Farley, R. (2012, February 23). "[https://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/did-elite-media-ignore-infanticide/ Did Elite Media Ignore Infanticide?]" ''FactCheck.org''.</ref>

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Barack Obama Controversies

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JZambrano: /* Born Alive Votes Controversy */

[[File:President Barack Obama.jpg|thumb|Barack Obama in 2009.]]
The following is a list of major controversies that have dogged [[Barack Obama]] throughout his political career, and have received major media coverage and prominence. Despite these many scandals,<ref>Wood, L. Todd (May 21, 2018). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/21/obama-administration-was-corrupt/ Obama administration was corrupt, more and more evidence reveals daily]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved December 1, 2019.</ref> Obama [[Liberal denial|denied]] the existence of any scandal "that embarrassed us" during his presidency,<ref>Spiering, Charlie (February 27, 2018). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/27/obama-didnt-scandal-embarrassed-us-presidency/ Barack Obama: ‘We Didn’t Have a Scandal that Embarrassed Us’ in My Presidency]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved February 27, 2018.</ref> and he stated that the administration "didn't have scandals" and was less corrupt than other modern administrations.<ref>Manchester, Julia (May 24, 2018). [https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/389188-obama-jokingly-brags-i-didnt-have-scandals-during-my-presidency Obama jokingly brags: 'I didn't have scandals' during my presidency]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved May 24, 2018.</ref> He repeated these false claims in March 2019.<ref>Chaitin, Daniel (March 6, 2019). [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/obama-brags-in-canada-my-team-never-experienced-scandal-made-mistakes-of-integrity Obama brags in Canada: My team never experienced scandal, made 'mistakes of integrity']. ''Washington Examiner''. Retrieved March 6, 2019.</ref> The media pretended his claims were accurate.<ref>Adams, Becket (August 31, 2019). [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/on-fifth-anniversary-of-obamas-tan-suit-media-keep-lying-that-his-white-house-was-scandal-free On fifth anniversary of Obama’s tan suit, media keep lying that his White House was scandal-free]. ''Washington Examiner''. Retrieved August 31, 2019.</ref>

Obama abused his presidential power several times during his presidency.<ref>Pollak, Joel B. (June 12, 2019). [https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/06/12/pollak-joe-biden-democrats-loved-obamas-abuses-of-presidential-power/ Pollak: Joe Biden, Democrats Loved Obama’s Abuses of Presidential Power]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved June 12, 2019.</ref><ref>Hurt, Charles (December 9, 2019). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/9/obama-administrations-abuse-of-power-literally-wor/ Obama spied on an opponent and the FBI lied repeatedly. Trump is being impeached?] ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved December 10, 2019.</ref><ref>Olowski, Lew Jan (December 12, 2019). [https://humanevents.com/2019/12/12/daca-an-actual-abuse-of-power/ DACA: An Actual Abuse of Power.] ''Human Events''. Retrieved December 12, 2019.</ref>

== Born Alive Votes Controversy ==
: ''Main Article: [[Obama born alive controversy]]''
From 1996 to 2003, Barack Obama made at least seven controversial votes against bills mandating medical care for newborn children after late-term, botched abortions known as D&E procedures. During this time Obama headed an Illinois Planned Parenthood strategy to vote 'Present' on the controversial bills to provide political cover for other Illinois Senators since in the words of Pam Sutherland, head of the IL Planned Parenthood Council, "He came to me and said: ‘My members are being attacked. We need to figure out a way to protect members and to protect women. A ‘present’ vote was hard to pigeonhole which is exactly what Obama wanted. What it did was give cover to moderate Democrats who wanted to vote with us but were afraid to do so" because of how their votes would be used against them electorally. A ‘present’ vote would protect them. Your senator voted ‘present.’ Most of the electorate is not going to know what that means."<ref>Davis, Teddy (2007, July 17). "[https://web.archive.org/web/20130414215754/https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2007/07/obama-abortion/ Obama Abortion Dodges Blessed by Planned Parenthood], ''ABC News''.</ref>

The votes are especially controversial because they fall outside the typical Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice debate, dealing not with abortion, but children left to die after botched abortions. In 2002 the Federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act made it a U.S. crime to let children die like this, and the 2003 Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act was passed outlawing the specific D&E procedures making them possible, even declaring this to be "Infanticide" in Section 2, 14(G) and 14(O).<ref name=partialbirth>''United States Congress'' (2003, March 13). "[http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-108s3enr/pdf/BILLS-108s3enr.pdf S.3: Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003]."</ref> The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act had 70% public approval by the time of its passage<ref>Ray, J. (2003, July 8). "[https://www.gallup.com/poll/8791/gallup-brain-opinions-partialbirth-abortions.aspx Gallup Brain: Opinions on Partial-Birth Abortions]." ''Gallup''.</ref> (a 2011 poll shows 64% support<ref>''Gallup''. "[https://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx Abortion]." pg. 1.</ref>) yet the Born Alive Infant Protection Act was far more popular, to the extent that in Obama's own words, it was "the federal bill that everybody supported."<ref name=brody>Brody, David (2008, August 16). "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skq5M1Ksp_c McCain/Obama Forum]." ''CNN''. Uploaded to ''YouTube'' by Jill Stanek. David Brody (August 16, 2008). "[http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2008/08/16/obama-gets-heated-on-born-alive-infant-protection-act.aspx Obama Gets Heated on Born Alive Infant Protection Act]." ''CBN News''. The Brody File.</ref>

Substantial controversy has surrounded '''[[Barack Obama|Barack Obama's]]''' voting record since 2004, when [[Alan Keyes]], his opponent for the [[U.S. Senate]], made Obama's record central to his campaign. Since then, [[Jill Stanek]], a central witness before [[Congress]], whose moving testimony led to passage of the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act, has been the primary critic of Obama's voting record on the issue. The issue featured prominently in the 2008 presidential election as well, with both [[Sarah Palin]] and [[John McCain]] raising the issue, and major press coverage by CNN and other news media reporting on the controversy. Obama ultimately voted 'Present' or 'No' on 7 of the 'Born Alive' bills:

* SB 1082 (2003 Born Alive Infant Defined Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1082&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3910&SessionID=3&GA=93 Bill Status of SB 1082]. 93rd General Assembly.</ref>
* SB 1661 (2002 Induced Birth Infant Liability Act)<ref name=1661a>(2002, April 4). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 29-35.</ref><ref name=1661b>State of Illinois. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/sbgroups/sb/920SB1661LV.html 92nd General Assembly Legislation: SB 1661].</ref>
* SB 1662 (2002)<ref>''State of Illinois''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/sbgroups/sb/920SB1662LV.html 92nd General Assembly Legislation: SB 1662].</ref>
* SB 1093 (2001 Born Alive Infants Protection Act)<ref name=1093a>(2001, March 30). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 84-88.</ref><ref name=1093b>[http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1093.html Status of SB 1093]. 92nd General Assembly. ILGA.gov.</ref>
* SB 1094 (2001 Induced Birth Infant Liability Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1094.html Status of SB 1094]. 92nd General Assembly.</ref><ref>
(2001, March 30). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 88-89.</ref>
* SB 1095 (2001 Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1929&ChapAct=720%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B513%2F&ChapterID=53&ChapterName=CRIMINAL+OFFENSES&ActName=Partial-birth+Abortion+Ban+Act Criminal Offenses: 720 ILCS/513/ Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act]. Illinois Compiled Statutes.</ref><ref>Illinois General Assembly. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1095.html Status of SB 1095]. 92nd General Assembly.</ref><ref>State of Illinois. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/srollcalls92/920sb1095_03302001_030000t.pdf 92nd General Assembly Senate Vote: Senate Bill No. 1095].</ref><ref>(2001, March 30). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. State of Illinois. pp. 89-90.</ref>
* SB 230 (1997 Partial-birth Abortion Ban Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/status/900SB0230.html 90th General Assembly: Status of SB 0230].</ref><ref>(1997, March 18). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans90/ST031897.pdf 90th General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 59-66.</ref>

His exact words on the Senate floor (see [[Obama born alive controversy#1996-2003 Illinois Senate Transcripts|1996-2003 Illinois Senate Transcripts]]) show that he recognized at the time newborn children were being left to die but opposed the bills for various reasons, including that (a) the child wasn't born to a full 9-month term and therefore is a pre-viable fetus, (b) The Illinois Medical Society opposed the bill, and (c) if children were being left to die an abortion physician would care for the child and requiring a 2nd physician verify the child is alive just burdens abortion doctors.
[[File:Hunter Biden Barack Obama offical WHite House photo.PNG|right|300px|thumb|[[Hunter Biden]] meeting with President Obama in the Oval Office. ''Official White House Photograph'']]
The issue resurfaced in February 2012 when Newt Gingrich said, "If we’re going to have a debate about who the extremist is on these issues, it is President Obama, who as a state senator voted to protect doctors who killed babies who survived the abortion".<ref>Woodward, C. & Raum, T. (2012, February 23). "[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/23/gop-debate-candidates-errant-claims-auto-bailout/?page=all#pagebreak FACT CHECK: Candidates make errant claims during GOP debate]." ''Associated Press''.</ref> Rick Santorum likewise repeated this, saying, "any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed."<ref>Yellin, J. & Metzger, T. (2012, February 24). "[http://articles.cnn.com/2012-02-24/politics/politics_fact-checking-gingrich-infanticide-charge_1_bar-abortions-opponents-of-abortion-rights-barack-obama?_s=PM:POLITICS Fact-checking Gingrich's charge Obama voted in favor of 'infanticide']." ''CNN Politics''.</ref> Newt Gingrich later accused the national media of not covering Obama's controversial history on the Born Alive bills.<ref>Brennan, P. (2012, February 29). "[https://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292204/obama-s-infanticide-votes-patrick-brennan Obama's Infanticide Votes]." ''National Review''. Farley, R. (2012, February 23). "[https://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/did-elite-media-ignore-infanticide/ Did Elite Media Ignore Infanticide?]" ''FactCheck.org''.</ref>

== Birth Certificate Controversy ==
The claim that Barack Obama was not born in the U.S. proved a major controversy from 2008. The claims have been based not so much on actual, substantial evidence that he was not born in the U.S., so much as on as whether the evidence that he was is suitable, in short, trying to prove a negative. The following is a timeline of events showing that Obama was born in the United States, and revealing the controversy is unfounded.

* In June 2008 the Obama campaign allowed FactCheck.org to look at his “Certificate of Live Birth” and take photos.<ref>Henig, J. (2008, August 21). Born in the U.S.A. FactCheck.org. Retrieved from https://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html</ref>
* In July 2008 a blogger discovered a birth announcement from the Honolulu Advertiser from August 13, 1961 for Barack Obama. It has since been discovered another newspaper, the Star Bulletin, also documented the birth.<ref>Snopes.com. Barack Obama Birth Certificate. Retrieved from http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp</ref>
* PolitiFact went to extreme lengths to verify Obama's citizenship, attaining scanned copies of his 1992 marriage certificate from Cook County, IL, his driver's license record, and his registration and disciplinary record.3 PolitiFact also addressed a number of concerns about the documentation.<ref>Hollyfield, A. (2008, June 27). Obama’s birth certificate: Final chapter. PolitiFact. Retrieved from https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/</ref>
* In October 2008 Hawaii's Department of Health released a statement by Dr. Chiyome Fu.kino verifying that Obama's birth certificate was on record.<ref>Hawaii Department of Health. News Release: Statement by Dr. Chiyome Fu.kino. Retrieved from http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf</ref>
* In August 2009 it was revealed that an alleged Kenyan birth certificate for Obama was a hoax.<ref>Snopes.com. Kenyan Mistake. Retrieved from http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp</ref> Another website allows you to create your own imitation Kenyan birth certificates online.<ref>KenyanBirthCertificateGenerator.com. Blue Collar Industries. Retrieved from http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/</ref>
* On April 27, 2011,<ref>CNN Political Unit (2011, April 27). "[http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate/ White House Releases Obama Birth Certificate]." ''CNN''</ref> a long-running controversy surrounding Obama's birth was largely put to rest<ref>Winter, J. (2011, April 29). "[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/ Expert: No Doubt Obama's Birth Certificate is Legit]." ''FOX News''. Tuchman, G. (2011, April 25). "[http://articles.cnn.com/2011-04-25/politics/birthers.obama.hawaii_1_birther-controversy-obama-opinion-research-corporation?_s=PM:POLITICS Obama Birther Claims Have No Merit]." ''CNN''. (2011, April 27). "[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42779923/ns/politics-white_house/t/obama-releases-detailed-us-birth-certificate/ Obama Releases Detailed U.S. Birth Certificate]." ''MSNBC''.</ref> when Obama had his long-form birth certificate posted at WhiteHouse.gov.<ref>"[https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf Certificate of Live Birth]." State of Hawaii. Retrieved from ''WhiteHouse.gov''.</ref> Donald Trump, who had attacked Obama on the Birth Certificate issue and was then leading Republicans in polls for the upcoming GOP primary,<ref>James, F. (2011, April 15). "[https://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/04/15/135446314/poll-donald-trump-birther-darling-leads-gop-field-at-26 Donald Trump, Birther In Chief? Poll Has Him Leading GOP Field with 26 Percent]." ''NPR''.</ref> was effectively knocked out of the 2012 Presidential race because of this.<ref>Kapur, S. (2011, May 10). "[http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/10/trumps-popularity-tanks-after-obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/ Trump's Popularity Tanks After Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate]." ''RawStory.com''.</ref>
* In early 2012 Arizona sheriff Joe Arpiao and his investigators know as the "Posse" stated at a press conference that the so-called "birth certificate" of Barack Obama released in digital form on the White House website, was forgery. He proceeded to show how the fake document was digitally created. He showed several videos on how the fraudulent document was made which left little doubt to its inauthenticity.<ref>Sheriff Joe Arpiao Press Conference 2012 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGW6WYmcneU</ref>

==Wiretapping the 2016 election==
{{See also|Obamagate|Obamagate timeline}}
[[File:Donald Trump Speaking in Fountain Hills.jpg|thumb|Trump in March 2016, prior to being elected U.S. president.]]
The fact that the Obama administration was investigating the [[Donald Trump]] campaign's links to [[Russia]] was reported in numerous sources, both [[United Kingdom|British]] and American, beginning November 7. Early reports treated alleged surveillance as evidence of just how serious the Trump-Russia link was being taken. After Trump himself complained of surveillance on March 4, the media condemned his claims as a conspiracy theory, reversing its earlier position.

===British leaks===
The Obama administration's surveillance of the Trump campaign was first reported by Louise Mensch on the British news site ''Heat Street'' on November 7, 2016.<ref>"[https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/ EXCLUSIVE: FBI ‘Granted FISA Warrant’ Covering Trump Camp’s Ties To Russia]," ''Heat Street'', Nov. 7, 2016.</ref> Mensch reported that a warrant was granted in October.

On January 11, ''The Guardian'' reported that:<blockquote>"The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation."<ref>Borger, Julian, "[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts John McCain passes dossier alleging secret Trump-Russia contacts to FBI],"

''The Guardian'', 11 January 2017.</ref></blockquote>

On January 12, the BBC suggested that the investigation of the Trump campaign was orchestrated by CIA Director [[John Brennan]].<ref>"[https://spectator.org/all-roads-lead-back-to-brennan/ All Roads Lead Back to Brennan]," ''American Spectator'', March 6, 2017</ref> The BBC also reported that:<blockquote>"Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks. Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election."<ref>"[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427 Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here?]", BBC, Jan. 12, 2017.</ref></blockquote>

The fact that the early leaks appeared in the British press suggests that the source was British intelligence. Mensch, the reporter who broke the story, is a former member of the British Parliament. She later explained that her sources trusted her because she is known as an outspoken supporter of the British intelligence community.<ref>Borger, Julian, "[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/17/louise-mensch-trump-russia-ties-media-scoop Louise Mensch: the former British MP who scooped US media on Trump's Russian ties]", ''The Guardian'', 17 February 2017</ref> Sharing data with [[GCHQ]], the British electronic surveillance agency, is a possible method of evading U.S. legal restrictions regarding the handling of data obtained by the National Security Agency.<ref>"[http://www.dailywire.com/news/14394/bombshell-fox-news-sources-say-obama-used-brits-john-nolte BOMBSHELL: Fox News Sources Say Obama Used Brits To Spy On Donald Trump].", ''DailyWire,'' March 14, 2017.</ref> The US, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have a secret electronic [[intelligence sharing]] pact called [[Five Eyes]].<ref>"[https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa GCHQ taps fibre-optic cables for secret access to world's communications]", ''The Guardian'', 21 June 2013</ref>

The British government denied that the GCHQ had been used to spy on Donald Trump during the 2016 Presidential election, and the White House has promised on March 16, 2017 to not repeat those unfounded allegations.<ref name=wp317>{{cite news|url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/17/britains-gchq-breaks-its-silence-to-slap-down-claim-it-was-involved-in-trump-wiretap/?utm_term=.6faee656350b|title=Britain: White House says it won’t repeat claims that a British agency wiretapped Trump|date=March 17, 2017|work=Washington Post|accessdate=March 18, 2017}}</ref> “Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct 'wire tapping' against the then President Elect are nonsense. They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored,” GCHQ said in a statement.<ref name=wp317/> A conservative British newspaper then reported that the White House had apologized for White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer repeating those rumors at a press briefing. An unnamed senior White House official stated:
<blockquote>“Ambassador [[Kim Darroch]] and Sir Mark Lyall expressed their concerns to Sean Spicer and [[H.R. McMaster|General McMaster]]. Mr. Spicer and General McMaster explained that Mr. Spicer was simply pointing to public reports, not endorsing any specific story.”<ref name=wp317/></blockquote>

===U.S. leaks===
On January 5, the Office of National Intelligence issued a report entitled, "Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions
in Recent US Elections.”<ref>The declassified version is "[https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf Background to “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections”: The Analytic Process and Cyber Incident Attribution]"</ref> The report renewed interest in allegations of Russian interference. In the last days of the Obama administration, procedures were revised to give more analysts access to the raw data.<ref>Saagar Enjeti, "[https://dailycaller.com/2017/03/09/how-are-all-these-intel-leaks-happening-look-at-one-of-the-last-things-obama-did-before-leaving-office/ How Are All These Intel Leaks Happening? Look At One Of The Last Things Obama Did Before Leaving Office]," ''Daily Caller,'' 03/09/2017.</ref> The relaxation of security standards was followed by a series of further [[leak]]s.

On January 17, McClatchy reported that an informal, interagency group had been working for months on the issue of Russian attempts to influence the election. The group included representatives of the FBI, the CIA, the National Security Agency, the Justice Department, the Treasury Department's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network and the office of the director of national intelligence.<ref>"[https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article127231799.html#storylink=cpy FBI, 5 other agencies probe possible covert Kremlin aid to Trump]", ''McClatchy,'' January 18, 2017.</ref> One of McClatchy's sources confirmed the BBC's claims regarding FISA warrants, according to the story.<ref>[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/08/doj-political-surveillance-from-the-irs-in-2011-to-the-fisa-court-in-2016/ DOJ Political Surveillance – From the IRS in 2011 to the FISA Court in 2016], Posted on March 8, 2020 by sundance. theconservativetreehouse.com</ref>

On January 19, ''The New York Times'' reported that the White House was directly involved in the investigation: "The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House."<ref>“[https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates],” ''New York Times'', January 19, 2017.</ref> The report does not mention warrants or FISA. On March 1, the ''Times'' reported that the FBI was in the midst of a "wide-ranging investigation" of "links between Mr. Trump’s associates and the Russian government."<ref>"[https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html Obama Administration Rushed to Preserve Intelligence of Russian Election Hacking]," ''New York Times'', March 1, 2017.</ref> Although Trump had been president for six weeks at this point, the FBI was still being run by disgraced Director [[James Comey]], who serves a fixed term designed to overlap Presidential administrations.

===Trump's tweets===
On March 2, 2017, talk radio host Mark Levin denounced the wiretaps and accused Obama of attempting a "silent coup" against Trump. Levin was chief of staff of the Justice Department during the Reagan administration. Earlier liberal reporting on the issue emphasized Trump's alleged links to Russia and used the wiretapping to support the idea that the intelligence community took these accusations seriously. Levin shifted the focus to malfeasance by the intelligence community.

Prompted by a ''Breitbart'' article summarizing Levin's broadcast,<ref>"[https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/ Mark Levin to Congress: Investigate Obama’s ‘Silent Coup’ vs. Trump]", ''Breitbart'', 3 Mar 2017.</ref> Trump posted a series of tweets on March 4:
<blockquote>"How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"<ref>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump, March 4, 2017</ref></blockquote>
and
<blockquote>"Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"</blockquote>

===Reaction===
Members of the mainstream media called Trump's wiretapping claim an, "astonishing and reckless accusation."<ref name=wiretap>{{cite news|url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-trump-experiment-may-come-to-an-early-tipping-point/2017/03/05/87d38b3a-0055-11e7-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html?utm_term=.edb071c61986|title=The Trump Experiment may come to an early tipping point|first=EJ|last=Dionne Jr.|work=Washington Post|date=March 5, 2017|accessdate=March 5, 2017}}</ref> In particular, the suggestion that Obama was personally involved provoked a furious backlash. Yet this suggestion is supported by earlier reporting, including the ''Times'' account of January 20.<ref>"[https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/03/05/new-york-times-trashes-its-own-reporting-on-obama-admin-wiretapping/ New York Times Trashes Its Own Reporting on Obama Admin Wiretapping], ''Breitbart'', 5 Mar 2017.</ref>

Obama and his director of national intelligence [[James R. Clapper Jr.]] as well as the head of the FBI have denied that this happened.<ref name=wiretap/> "There was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign," Clapper told NBC.<ref>Kailani Koenig, "[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/former-dni-james-clapper-i-can-deny-wiretap-trump-tower-n729261 Former DNI James Clapper: ‘I Can Deny’ Wiretap of Trump Tower]", NBC News, MAR 5 2017</ref> In turn, Trump called for a congressional investigation of the alleged wiretapping.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/05/statement-press-secretary|title=Statement from the Press Secretary|date=March 5, 2017|accessdate=March 7, 2017}}</ref>

On March 6, 2017, deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said on ABC's “Good Morning America” that Trump does not accept FBI Director James Comey's conclusion that former President Barack Obama did not order a wiretap at Trump Tower.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://nypost.com/2017/03/06/trump-wont-accept-comeys-conclusion-about-obama-wiretap-claim/amp/|title=Trump won’t accept Comey’s conclusion about Obama wiretap claim|work=New York Post|date=March 6, 2017|accessdate=March 7, 2017}}</ref>

On March 8, U.S. Senators Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-Rhode Island), the chair and ranking member of the relevant Senate oversight committee, requested that "the Department of Justice provide us copies of any warrant applications and court orders...related to wiretaps of President Trump, the Trump Campaign, or Trump Tower.”<ref>"[https://www.lgraham.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=D644F90E-54E2-4DD5-AC8F-BB3B8D8059CE Senators Graham And Whitehouse Request Warrant Applications And Court Orders Related To Possible Wiretapping Of President Trump, Trump Campaign, Or Trump Tower]"</ref>

Comey testified to Congress on March 20 and declined to comment on the issue of FISA warrants: "Comey declined to say whether any officials had sought approval from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor anyone in the Trump campaign, saying he did not want to discuss the workings of the highly secretive court," according to the ''Washington Post''.<ref>Ellen Nakashima, Karoun Demirjian and Devlin Barrett, "[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-director-to-testify-on-russian-interference-in-the-presidential-election/2017/03/20/cdea86ca-0ce2-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.f744ea59f991 FBI Director Comey: Justice Dept. has no information that supports Trump’s tweets alleging he was wiretapped by Obama]", ''Washington Post'', March 20.</ref>

===Confirmed surveillance===
On March 22, 2017, GOP U.S. Representative [[Devin Nunes]] revealed that some of the Trump Team's conversations had been spied upon.<ref>Derespina, Cody (March 23, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/trump-basks-in-nunes-surveillance-news-so-that-means-im-right.html Trump basks in Nunes surveillance news: 'So that means I'm right']. ''Fox News''. Retrieved March 23, 2017.</ref> On March 29, 2017, [[Evelyn Farkas]], the deputy assistant secretary of defense under Obama, admitted that the Obama Administration attempted to gather as much intelligence as possible on Trump's alleged ties to Russia after the 2016 election and that it tried to hide their intelligence sources from the Trump Administration.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/29/former-obama-official-discloses-rush-to-get-intelligence-on-trump-team.html Former Obama official discloses rush to get intelligence on Trump team]. ''Fox News''. March 29, 2017. Retrieved March 29, 2017.</ref><ref>Poor, Jeff (March 29, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/03/29/fmr-obama-official-reveals-pre-inauguration-effort-to-gather-intel-on-incoming-trump-team/ Fmr Obama Official Reveals Pre-Inauguration Effort to Gather Intel on Incoming Trump Team]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved March 30, 2017.</ref>

U.S. intelligence agencies had been investigating people in Trump's presidential campaign throughout the campaign season.<ref>Bertrand, Natasha (January 24, 2017). [https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-advisers-russia-investigation-2017-1 A look at the scope of the intelligence community's investigations into Trump's ties to Russia]. ''Business Insider''. Retrieved April 1, 2017.</ref> According to a [[Fox News]] report, an unnamed but well-known and senior intelligence official not associated with the [[Federal Bureau of Investigation]] directed investigations attempting to unveil private Americans working with Trump's transition team.<ref>McCabe, Neil W. (March 31, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/31/fox-news-senior-obama-intelligence-official-unmasked-trump-associates/ Fox News: Senior Obama Intelligence Official Unmasked Trump Associates]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved April 1, 2017.</ref>

CNN reported in September 2017 that the Obama Administration did obtain a warrant to wiretap Paul Manaforte, including during a time when he was talking with Trump.<ref>Wong, Kristina (September 18, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/18/trump-vindicated-report-says-obama-government-wiretapped-trump-campaign/ Trump Vindicated: Report Says Obama Government Wiretapped Trump Campaign]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved September 18, 2017.</ref><ref>Perez, Evan; Prokupecz, Shimon; Brown, Pamela (September 18, 2017). [https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html Exclusive: US government wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman]. ''CNN''. Retrieved September 18, 2017.</ref><ref>[https://www.voanews.com/a/former-trump-campaign-chief-wiretap/4035277.html Former Trump Campaign Chief Was Subject to Secret Wiretap]. ''Voice of America''. September 19, 2017. Retrieved September 19, 2017.</ref>

===Legal status of surveillance===
According to Executive Order 12333 issued by President Ronald Reagan in December 1981, "Elements of the Intelligence Community are authorized to collect, retain, or disseminate information concerning United States persons...obtained in the course of a lawful foreign intelligence, counterintelligence, international drug or international terrorism investigation."<ref>
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/12333.html</ref> Thus the U.S. intelligence community can perform surveillance without a warrant as long as the target of the investigation is, at least nominally, something other than a "U.S. person."<ref>"[https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/meet-executive-order-12333-the-reagan-rule-that-lets-the-nsa-spy-on-americans/2014/07/18/93d2ac22-0b93-11e4-b8e5-d0de80767fc2_story.html Meet Executive Order 12333: The Reagan rule that lets the NSA spy on Americans]", ''Washington Post'', July 18, 2014.</ref> Under previous presidents, this provision applied only to the National Security Agency. In the last days of the Obama administration, access to surveillance data was expanded to encompass all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies.<ref>"[https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/nsa-gets-more-latitude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html?_r=0 N.S.A. Gets More Latitude to Share Intercepted Communications]", ''New York Times, Jan. 12, 2017.</ref>

==Operation Fast and Furious==
{{See also|Operation Fast and Furious}}
Operation Fast and Furious (also known as Project Gunwalker) was a government-funded program of the White House,<ref>[https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/17/AR2010121706598.html White House delayed rule meant to stop gun flow to Mexico], Sari Horwitz and James V. Grimaldi, ''[[Washington Post]]'', December 17, 2010</ref> [[United States Treasury Department]], [[Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms]], and the [[U.S. Justice Department]] involving the illegal sale of [[guns used by Mexican drug gangs]] from the [[United States]] to [[drug cartels]], and other gangs in [[Mexico]]. [[Ann Coulter]] reported that one of the purposes of the operation was "to strengthen liberals' argument for [[gun control]]."<ref>[http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-07-11.html#read_more]</ref>

Operation Fast and Furious developed into an enormous scandal and failure for the [[Obama administration]]. At least two U.S. border guards were killed by weapons allowed to "walk" in Operation Fast and Furious.

==IRS discrimination against conservative groups==
:''Main article: [[IRS scandal]]''
During the Obama Administration, the [[Internal Revenue Service]] discriminated against conservative organizations by making them wait for years just to gain [[Nonprofit organization|tax-exempt status]]. At the same time, other groups received the same status in a very short period of time, such as a [[satanic]] group which received nonprofit status in only ten days.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/20/irs-granted-satanic-cult-tax-exempt-status-in-10-days-report-says.html IRS granted Satanic cult tax-exempt status in 10 days, report says]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved March 25, 2017.</ref><ref>Ernst, Douglas (March 20, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/20/obama-irs-gave-satan-club-creator-fast-tax-exempt-/ Obama’s IRS gave ‘Satan Club’ creator fast tax-exempt status]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved March 25, 2017.</ref> In 2017, the [[Trump Administration]] ended the scandal by settling with the affected organizations and apologizing,<ref>Multiple references:
*Mason, Ian (October 26, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/26/doj-settles-with-tea-party-groups-on-lois-lerner-irs-scandal/ DOJ Settles with Tea Party Groups on Lois Lerner IRS Scandal]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved October 28, 2017.
*[https://www.voanews.com/a/tea-party-groups-settle-lawsuits-over-irs-mistreatment/4087069.html Tea Party Groups Settle Lawsuits Over IRS Mistreatment]. ''Voice of America'' (from the ''Associated Press''). October 26, 2017. Retrieved October 28, 2017.
*Singman, Brooke (October 26, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/26/trump-doj-settles-lawsuits-over-tea-party-targeting-by-obama-irs.html Trump DOJ settles lawsuits over Tea Party targeting by Obama IRS]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved October 28, 2017.
*Adams, Becket (October 27, 2017). [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/conservatives-were-targeted-by-a-weaponized-irs-all-they-got-was-this-lousy-apology/article/2638837 Conservatives were targeted by a weaponized IRS; all they got was this lousy apology]. ''Washington Examiner''. Retrieved October 28, 2017.</ref> but it still declined to prosecute IRS official Lois Lerner for her major role in the scandal.<ref>Multiple references:
*[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/08/doj-declines-to-charge-lois-lerner-in-irs-scandal.html Trump DOJ: No plans to charge Lois Lerner in IRS scandal]. ''Fox News''. September 8, 2017. Retrieved October 28, 2017.
*Dinan, Stephen (September 8, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/8/donald-trumps-doj-wont-pursue-charges-against-lois/ Justice Department won’t pursue charges against Lois Lerner, former IRS senior executive]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved October 28, 2017.
*Munro, Neil (September 8, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/08/jeff-sessions-doj-will-not-investigate-irs-suppression-tea-party-groups/ Jeff Sessions’ DoJ Will Not Investigate IRS Suppression of Tea Party Groups]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved October 28, 2017.
*Bowden, John (September 8, 2017). [https://thehill.com/homenews/house/349846-gop-lawmakers-furious-after-doj-declines-to-prosecute-lois-lerner GOP lawmakers furious after DOJ declines to prosecute ex-IRS official Lois Lerner]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved October 28, 2017.</ref>

==Justice Department discrimination==
It was reported in May 2017 that the Justice Department under Obama likely discriminated against veterans – in violation of federal law requiring the government to give preference to veterans in job hiring – by attempting to influence them to withdraw their applications.<ref>Dinan, Stephen (May 17, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/17/obama-doj-refused-hire-veterans-jobs-investigation/ Obama’s Justice Department refused to hire military veterans for jobs]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved May 19, 2017.</ref>

==Stuxnet scandal==
It was revealed in 2012 that the Obama Administration leaked information about a computer virus intended to destroy Iranian centrifuges. This leak was described by members of Congress as very serious.<ref>Herb, Jeremy (June 8, 2012). [https://thehill.com/policy/defense/231581-white-house-rejects-special-counsel-to-investigate-leaks White House rejects calls for special counsel for national security leaks]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved May 19, 2017.</ref> Obama did not take the leaks seriously. Despite this, the White House refused to appoint a special counsel or prosecutor to investigate the situation, and although one general was found guilty, Obama pardoned him shortly before leaving office.<ref>Pollak, Joel B. (May 17, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/17/special-counsel-trump-not-obama/ Special Counsel for Trump — but Not for Obama Scandals?] ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved May 19, 2017.</ref>

==Against journalists==
Under the Obama Administration, the DOJ seized the phone records of journalists.<ref>Svab, Petr (May 28, 2019). [https://www.theepochtimes.com/obama-admins-snooping-on-journalists-phone-records-broader-than-previously-known_2940725.html Obama Administration’s Snooping on Journalists’ Phone Records Broader Than Previously Known]. ''The Epoch Times''. Retrieved May 29, 2019.</ref>

== Chicago Politics Controversies ==
=== 1996 Election Controversy ===
: ''Main Article: [[Barack Obama#1996 Election]]''
Barack Obama ran for the Illinois state senate in 1996. He was initially supported by incumbent Alice Palmer, who declared she would run for the U.S. Congress. However, when her bid for Congress failed on November 28, 1995, she tried to run for her old seat in the March 1996 election. Her supporters asked Obama to step aside, although whether this was with her permission remains uncertain.<ref name=pragmatic>Scott, Janny (2007, July 30). "[https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/us/politics/30obama.html?pagewanted=all In Illinois, Obama Proved Pragmatic and Shrewd]." ''New York Times''.</ref> Not only did Obama not step down, he gathered a team of high-priced lawyers, including fellow Harvard Law School graduate Thomas Johnson, to challenge his opponent's petition signatures on technicalities after the filing deadline had passed. Such tactics are legal and frequently used in Chicago; in 2006 they eliminated 67 of the 245 aldermanic candidates;<ref name=bareknuckle>Jackson, David & Long, Ray (2007, April 4). "[http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-0704030881apr04-archive,0,1523598,full.story Barack Obama: Showing His Bare Knuckles]." ''Chicago Tribune''.</ref> yet nevertheless led to the term "hardball" by the ''New York Times''<ref name=pragmatic /> and "cutthroat" by David Mendel as reported by both ''CNN''<ref name=revealed>Malveaux, Suzanne (2008, August 20). "[http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/20/se.02.html Barack Obama Revealed]." ''CNN''.</ref> and ''MSNBC''.<ref name=msnbc>''MSNBC'' (2008, February 20). "[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23257295/ns/msnbc_tv-documentaries/t/obama-becomes-rising-star-among-democrats/ Obama Becomes Rising Star Among Democrats]."</ref> The ''Chicago Tribune'' declared Obama had mastered "the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics", noting "The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it."<ref name=bareknuckle /> As one of Obama's four opponents, eliminated through his ballot challenges, would put it: {{cquote|"Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates? He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"
-Gha-is Askia, 1996 Illinois Senate candidate<ref>Jackson, David & Long, Ray (2007, April 3). "[http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-070403obama-ballot-archive,0,5297304,full.story Obama Knows His Way Around a Ballot]." ''Chicago Tribune''.</ref>}} Mark Ewell, another candidate, filed 1,286 signatures, and Obama's challenges left him 86 short of the minimum requirement (757<ref name=spivak>Spivak, Todd (2008, February 28). "[https://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/ Barack Obama and Me]." ''Houston Press''.</ref>). Ewell filed a federal lawsuit contesting the election board's decision but Tom Johnson intervened, and Ewell's case was dismissed just a few days later. Ewell and other Obama opponents were using early 1995 polling sheets to verify signatures of registered voters, but city authorities had just purged 15,871 unqualified people from the 13th district list, and Obama's challenges used the more recent, updated list. Askia was left 69 signatures short of the requirement. If names were printed instead of signed in cursive, they were declared invalid. If they were good but the person registering the signatures wasn't a registered voter (e.g. underage) they were invalid.<ref name=hardball>Griffin, Drew & Johnston, Kathleen (2008, May 29). "[http://articles.cnn.com/2008-05-29/politics/obamas.first.campaign_1_obama-campaign-barack-obama-chicago-politics?_s=PM:POLITICS Obama Played Hardball in First Chicago Campaign]." ''CNN''.</ref> Palmer had according to Obama campaign consult Ronald Davis, used two children to help gather her petition signatures. To this day Palmer denies the challenges were valid, and maintains she could have overcome the objections with more time and resources.<ref name=bareknuckle /> Thanks to his lawyers, Obama would win the election without a single other candidate on the ballot.

=== 2003 Emil Jones Deal Controversy ===
: ''Main Article: [[2003 Barack Obama deal with Emil Jones]]''
When Illinois' U.S. Senator Peter Fitzgerald announced he would be retiring in April 2003, Obama jumped at the opportunity, declaring that he would be a candidate for the U.S. Senate in 2004.<ref name=msnbc /> To boost his chances at reaching the U.S. Congress in the 2004 elections, in 2003 Barack Obama approached the newly crowned head of the Illinois Senate, Emil Jones Jr., with a proposal. According to Jones, who Obama has since called his "godfather"<ref name=godfather>''Associated Press'' (2009, June 18). "[https://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-3983147.html Obama's Political 'Godfather' In Illinois]."</ref> the conversation went as follows:[[File:Emil Jones.jpg|thumb|right|Emil Jones]] {{cquote|"After I was elected president, in 2003, he came to see me, a couple months later. And he said to me, he said, ‘You’re the senate president now, and with that, you have a lot of pow-er.’ And I told Barack, ‘You think I got a lot of pow-er now?,’ and he said, ‘Yeah, you got a lot of pow-er.’ And I said, ‘What kind of pow-er do I have?’ He said, ‘You have the pow-er to make a United States sen-a-tor!’ I said to Barack, I said, ‘That sounds good!’ I said, ‘I haven’t even thought of that.’ I said, ‘Do you have someone in mind you think I could make?,’ and he said, ‘Yeah. Me.’ "<ref name=pragmatic /><ref name=raisingobama>Purdum, Todd (2008, March). "[https://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/03/obama200803 Raising Obama]." ''Vanity Fair''.</ref>}} Because of the deal, Obama's entire Illinois Senate legislative record was, as longtime Obama reporter Todd Spivak put it, built in a single year. During his 7th and final year in the Illinois Senate, Obama sponsored an incredible 26 bills into law, including many he now points to when criticized as inexperienced<ref name=spivak /> - as ''CNN's'' Suzanne Malveaux observed, "With help from on high, Obama got his name on hundreds of bills that he pushed through."<ref name=revealed /> Jones not only had Obama craft legislation addressing daily tragedies to raise his political profile,<ref name=godfather /> he also appointed Obama head of almost all high-profile legislation in the Illinois Senate, angering other state legislators with more seniority who'd spent years supporting the bills.<ref name=spivak /> Illinois State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of the famous racial profiling bill requiring videotaped confessions in police interrogations, complained bitterly about Jones' decision.<ref name=revealed /><ref name=intheblack>Spivak, Todd (2004, March 25). "[http://www.illinoistimes.com/Springfield/article-922-in-the-black.html In the Black]." ''Illinois Times''.</ref> Jones' influence had a major impact on Obama's chances in the 2004 elections, preventing major political players from backing Obama's opponents. To quote Emil Jones, {{cquote|"He knew if he had me in the run for the Senate, it would put a block on the current mayor. The current mayor and the father of the controller, which was Dan Hynes, they were roommates in Springfield when the mayor was a state senator, so they had a relationship. Another big financial backer for the governor was Blair Hull. Barack knew if he had me it would checkmate the governor, ’cause the governor couldn’t come out and go with Blair Hull, ’cause the governor needs me. Same with the mayor. So he had analyzed and figured all of that out. He knew I could help him with labor support. And I could put a checkmate on some of the local politicians that didn’t know him, but they couldn’t really go against me."
-Emil Jones<ref name=raisingobama />}}

==See also==
*[[Obamagate timeline 2009-2015]]
*[[Obamagate timeline|Obamagate timeline 2016 election year]]
*[[Russiagate timeline 2017]]
*[[Russiagate timeline|Russiagate timeline 2018]]
*[[Barack Hussein Obama's unlawful acts]]
*[[Deep state coup]]
*[[Obama war crimes]]

==References==
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[[Category:Barack Hussein Obama]][[Category:Obama Scandals]]
[[Category:United States Political Scandals]]

Barack Obama Controversies

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[[File:President Barack Obama.jpg|thumb|Barack Obama in 2009.]]
The following is a list of major controversies that have dogged [[Barack Obama]] throughout his political career, and have received major media coverage and prominence. Despite these many scandals,<ref>Wood, L. Todd (May 21, 2018). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/21/obama-administration-was-corrupt/ Obama administration was corrupt, more and more evidence reveals daily]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved December 1, 2019.</ref> Obama [[Liberal denial|denied]] the existence of any scandal "that embarrassed us" during his presidency,<ref>Spiering, Charlie (February 27, 2018). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/27/obama-didnt-scandal-embarrassed-us-presidency/ Barack Obama: ‘We Didn’t Have a Scandal that Embarrassed Us’ in My Presidency]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved February 27, 2018.</ref> and he stated that the administration "didn't have scandals" and was less corrupt than other modern administrations.<ref>Manchester, Julia (May 24, 2018). [https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/389188-obama-jokingly-brags-i-didnt-have-scandals-during-my-presidency Obama jokingly brags: 'I didn't have scandals' during my presidency]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved May 24, 2018.</ref> He repeated these false claims in March 2019.<ref>Chaitin, Daniel (March 6, 2019). [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/obama-brags-in-canada-my-team-never-experienced-scandal-made-mistakes-of-integrity Obama brags in Canada: My team never experienced scandal, made 'mistakes of integrity']. ''Washington Examiner''. Retrieved March 6, 2019.</ref> The media pretended his claims were accurate.<ref>Adams, Becket (August 31, 2019). [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/on-fifth-anniversary-of-obamas-tan-suit-media-keep-lying-that-his-white-house-was-scandal-free On fifth anniversary of Obama’s tan suit, media keep lying that his White House was scandal-free]. ''Washington Examiner''. Retrieved August 31, 2019.</ref>

Obama abused his presidential power several times during his presidency.<ref>Pollak, Joel B. (June 12, 2019). [https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/06/12/pollak-joe-biden-democrats-loved-obamas-abuses-of-presidential-power/ Pollak: Joe Biden, Democrats Loved Obama’s Abuses of Presidential Power]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved June 12, 2019.</ref><ref>Hurt, Charles (December 9, 2019). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/9/obama-administrations-abuse-of-power-literally-wor/ Obama spied on an opponent and the FBI lied repeatedly. Trump is being impeached?] ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved December 10, 2019.</ref><ref>Olowski, Lew Jan (December 12, 2019). [https://humanevents.com/2019/12/12/daca-an-actual-abuse-of-power/ DACA: An Actual Abuse of Power.] ''Human Events''. Retrieved December 12, 2019.</ref>

== Born Alive Votes Controversy ==
: ''Main Article: [[Obama born alive controversy]]''
From 1996 to 2003, Barack Obama made at least seven controversial votes against bills mandating medical care for newborn children after late-term, botched abortions known as D&E procedures. During this time Obama headed an Illinois Planned Parenthood strategy to vote 'Present' on the controversial bills to provide political cover for other Illinois Senators since in the words of Pam Sutherland, head of the IL Planned Parenthood Council, "He came to me and said: ‘My members are being attacked. We need to figure out a way to protect members and to protect women. A ‘present’ vote was hard to pigeonhole which is exactly what Obama wanted. What it did was give cover to moderate Democrats who wanted to vote with us but were afraid to do so" because of how their votes would be used against them electorally. A ‘present’ vote would protect them. Your senator voted ‘present.’ Most of the electorate is not going to know what that means."<ref>Davis, Teddy (2007, July 17). "[http://web.archive.org/web/20170725135550/http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/obama-abortion-.html Obama Abortion Dodges Blessed by Planned Parenthood], ''ABC News''.</ref>

The votes are especially controversial because they fall outside the typical Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice debate, dealing not with abortion, but children left to die after botched abortions. In 2002 the Federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act made it a U.S. crime to let children die like this, and the 2003 Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act was passed outlawing the specific D&E procedures making them possible, even declaring this to be "Infanticide" in Section 2, 14(G) and 14(O).<ref name=partialbirth>''United States Congress'' (2003, March 13). "[http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-108s3enr/pdf/BILLS-108s3enr.pdf S.3: Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003]."</ref> The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act had 70% public approval by the time of its passage<ref>Ray, J. (2003, July 8). "[https://www.gallup.com/poll/8791/gallup-brain-opinions-partialbirth-abortions.aspx Gallup Brain: Opinions on Partial-Birth Abortions]." ''Gallup''.</ref> (a 2011 poll shows 64% support<ref>''Gallup''. "[https://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx Abortion]." pg. 1.</ref>) yet the Born Alive Infant Protection Act was far more popular, to the extent that in Obama's own words, it was "the federal bill that everybody supported."<ref name=brody>Brody, David (2008, August 16). "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skq5M1Ksp_c McCain/Obama Forum]." ''CNN''. Uploaded to ''YouTube'' by Jill Stanek. David Brody (August 16, 2008). "[http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2008/08/16/obama-gets-heated-on-born-alive-infant-protection-act.aspx Obama Gets Heated on Born Alive Infant Protection Act]." ''CBN News''. The Brody File.</ref>

Substantial controversy has surrounded '''[[Barack Obama|Barack Obama's]]''' voting record since 2004, when [[Alan Keyes]], his opponent for the [[U.S. Senate]], made Obama's record central to his campaign. Since then, [[Jill Stanek]], a central witness before [[Congress]], whose moving testimony led to passage of the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act, has been the primary critic of Obama's voting record on the issue. The issue featured prominently in the 2008 presidential election as well, with both [[Sarah Palin]] and [[John McCain]] raising the issue, and major press coverage by CNN and other news media reporting on the controversy. Obama ultimately voted 'Present' or 'No' on 7 of the 'Born Alive' bills:

* SB 1082 (2003 Born Alive Infant Defined Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1082&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3910&SessionID=3&GA=93 Bill Status of SB 1082]. 93rd General Assembly.</ref>
* SB 1661 (2002 Induced Birth Infant Liability Act)<ref name=1661a>(2002, April 4). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 29-35.</ref><ref name=1661b>State of Illinois. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/sbgroups/sb/920SB1661LV.html 92nd General Assembly Legislation: SB 1661].</ref>
* SB 1662 (2002)<ref>''State of Illinois''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/sbgroups/sb/920SB1662LV.html 92nd General Assembly Legislation: SB 1662].</ref>
* SB 1093 (2001 Born Alive Infants Protection Act)<ref name=1093a>(2001, March 30). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 84-88.</ref><ref name=1093b>[http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1093.html Status of SB 1093]. 92nd General Assembly. ILGA.gov.</ref>
* SB 1094 (2001 Induced Birth Infant Liability Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1094.html Status of SB 1094]. 92nd General Assembly.</ref><ref>
(2001, March 30). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 88-89.</ref>
* SB 1095 (2001 Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1929&ChapAct=720%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B513%2F&ChapterID=53&ChapterName=CRIMINAL+OFFENSES&ActName=Partial-birth+Abortion+Ban+Act Criminal Offenses: 720 ILCS/513/ Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act]. Illinois Compiled Statutes.</ref><ref>Illinois General Assembly. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1095.html Status of SB 1095]. 92nd General Assembly.</ref><ref>State of Illinois. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/srollcalls92/920sb1095_03302001_030000t.pdf 92nd General Assembly Senate Vote: Senate Bill No. 1095].</ref><ref>(2001, March 30). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. State of Illinois. pp. 89-90.</ref>
* SB 230 (1997 Partial-birth Abortion Ban Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/status/900SB0230.html 90th General Assembly: Status of SB 0230].</ref><ref>(1997, March 18). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans90/ST031897.pdf 90th General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 59-66.</ref>

His exact words on the Senate floor (see [[Obama born alive controversy#1996-2003 Illinois Senate Transcripts|1996-2003 Illinois Senate Transcripts]]) show that he recognized at the time newborn children were being left to die but opposed the bills for various reasons, including that (a) the child wasn't born to a full 9-month term and therefore is a pre-viable fetus, (b) The Illinois Medical Society opposed the bill, and (c) if children were being left to die an abortion physician would care for the child and requiring a 2nd physician verify the child is alive just burdens abortion doctors.
[[File:Hunter Biden Barack Obama offical WHite House photo.PNG|right|300px|thumb|[[Hunter Biden]] meeting with President Obama in the Oval Office. ''Official White House Photograph'']]
The issue resurfaced in February 2012 when Newt Gingrich said, "If we’re going to have a debate about who the extremist is on these issues, it is President Obama, who as a state senator voted to protect doctors who killed babies who survived the abortion".<ref>Woodward, C. & Raum, T. (2012, February 23). "[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/23/gop-debate-candidates-errant-claims-auto-bailout/?page=all#pagebreak FACT CHECK: Candidates make errant claims during GOP debate]." ''Associated Press''.</ref> Rick Santorum likewise repeated this, saying, "any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed."<ref>Yellin, J. & Metzger, T. (2012, February 24). "[http://articles.cnn.com/2012-02-24/politics/politics_fact-checking-gingrich-infanticide-charge_1_bar-abortions-opponents-of-abortion-rights-barack-obama?_s=PM:POLITICS Fact-checking Gingrich's charge Obama voted in favor of 'infanticide']." ''CNN Politics''.</ref> Newt Gingrich later accused the national media of not covering Obama's controversial history on the Born Alive bills.<ref>Brennan, P. (2012, February 29). "[https://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292204/obama-s-infanticide-votes-patrick-brennan Obama's Infanticide Votes]." ''National Review''. Farley, R. (2012, February 23). "[https://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/did-elite-media-ignore-infanticide/ Did Elite Media Ignore Infanticide?]" ''FactCheck.org''.</ref>

== Birth Certificate Controversy ==
The claim that Barack Obama was not born in the U.S. proved a major controversy from 2008. The claims have been based not so much on actual, substantial evidence that he was not born in the U.S., so much as on as whether the evidence that he was is suitable, in short, trying to prove a negative. The following is a timeline of events showing that Obama was born in the United States, and revealing the controversy is unfounded.

* In June 2008 the Obama campaign allowed FactCheck.org to look at his “Certificate of Live Birth” and take photos.<ref>Henig, J. (2008, August 21). Born in the U.S.A. FactCheck.org. Retrieved from https://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html</ref>
* In July 2008 a blogger discovered a birth announcement from the Honolulu Advertiser from August 13, 1961 for Barack Obama. It has since been discovered another newspaper, the Star Bulletin, also documented the birth.<ref>Snopes.com. Barack Obama Birth Certificate. Retrieved from http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp</ref>
* PolitiFact went to extreme lengths to verify Obama's citizenship, attaining scanned copies of his 1992 marriage certificate from Cook County, IL, his driver's license record, and his registration and disciplinary record.3 PolitiFact also addressed a number of concerns about the documentation.<ref>Hollyfield, A. (2008, June 27). Obama’s birth certificate: Final chapter. PolitiFact. Retrieved from https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/</ref>
* In October 2008 Hawaii's Department of Health released a statement by Dr. Chiyome Fu.kino verifying that Obama's birth certificate was on record.<ref>Hawaii Department of Health. News Release: Statement by Dr. Chiyome Fu.kino. Retrieved from http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf</ref>
* In August 2009 it was revealed that an alleged Kenyan birth certificate for Obama was a hoax.<ref>Snopes.com. Kenyan Mistake. Retrieved from http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp</ref> Another website allows you to create your own imitation Kenyan birth certificates online.<ref>KenyanBirthCertificateGenerator.com. Blue Collar Industries. Retrieved from http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/</ref>
* On April 27, 2011,<ref>CNN Political Unit (2011, April 27). "[http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate/ White House Releases Obama Birth Certificate]." ''CNN''</ref> a long-running controversy surrounding Obama's birth was largely put to rest<ref>Winter, J. (2011, April 29). "[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/ Expert: No Doubt Obama's Birth Certificate is Legit]." ''FOX News''. Tuchman, G. (2011, April 25). "[http://articles.cnn.com/2011-04-25/politics/birthers.obama.hawaii_1_birther-controversy-obama-opinion-research-corporation?_s=PM:POLITICS Obama Birther Claims Have No Merit]." ''CNN''. (2011, April 27). "[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42779923/ns/politics-white_house/t/obama-releases-detailed-us-birth-certificate/ Obama Releases Detailed U.S. Birth Certificate]." ''MSNBC''.</ref> when Obama had his long-form birth certificate posted at WhiteHouse.gov.<ref>"[https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf Certificate of Live Birth]." State of Hawaii. Retrieved from ''WhiteHouse.gov''.</ref> Donald Trump, who had attacked Obama on the Birth Certificate issue and was then leading Republicans in polls for the upcoming GOP primary,<ref>James, F. (2011, April 15). "[https://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2011/04/15/135446314/poll-donald-trump-birther-darling-leads-gop-field-at-26 Donald Trump, Birther In Chief? Poll Has Him Leading GOP Field with 26 Percent]." ''NPR''.</ref> was effectively knocked out of the 2012 Presidential race because of this.<ref>Kapur, S. (2011, May 10). "[http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/10/trumps-popularity-tanks-after-obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/ Trump's Popularity Tanks After Obama Releases Long-Form Birth Certificate]." ''RawStory.com''.</ref>
* In early 2012 Arizona sheriff Joe Arpiao and his investigators know as the "Posse" stated at a press conference that the so-called "birth certificate" of Barack Obama released in digital form on the White House website, was forgery. He proceeded to show how the fake document was digitally created. He showed several videos on how the fraudulent document was made which left little doubt to its inauthenticity.<ref>Sheriff Joe Arpiao Press Conference 2012 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGW6WYmcneU</ref>

==Wiretapping the 2016 election==
{{See also|Obamagate|Obamagate timeline}}
[[File:Donald Trump Speaking in Fountain Hills.jpg|thumb|Trump in March 2016, prior to being elected U.S. president.]]
The fact that the Obama administration was investigating the [[Donald Trump]] campaign's links to [[Russia]] was reported in numerous sources, both [[United Kingdom|British]] and American, beginning November 7. Early reports treated alleged surveillance as evidence of just how serious the Trump-Russia link was being taken. After Trump himself complained of surveillance on March 4, the media condemned his claims as a conspiracy theory, reversing its earlier position.

===British leaks===
The Obama administration's surveillance of the Trump campaign was first reported by Louise Mensch on the British news site ''Heat Street'' on November 7, 2016.<ref>"[https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/ EXCLUSIVE: FBI ‘Granted FISA Warrant’ Covering Trump Camp’s Ties To Russia]," ''Heat Street'', Nov. 7, 2016.</ref> Mensch reported that a warrant was granted in October.

On January 11, ''The Guardian'' reported that:<blockquote>"The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation."<ref>Borger, Julian, "[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts John McCain passes dossier alleging secret Trump-Russia contacts to FBI],"

''The Guardian'', 11 January 2017.</ref></blockquote>

On January 12, the BBC suggested that the investigation of the Trump campaign was orchestrated by CIA Director [[John Brennan]].<ref>"[https://spectator.org/all-roads-lead-back-to-brennan/ All Roads Lead Back to Brennan]," ''American Spectator'', March 6, 2017</ref> The BBC also reported that:<blockquote>"Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks. Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election."<ref>"[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427 Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here?]", BBC, Jan. 12, 2017.</ref></blockquote>

The fact that the early leaks appeared in the British press suggests that the source was British intelligence. Mensch, the reporter who broke the story, is a former member of the British Parliament. She later explained that her sources trusted her because she is known as an outspoken supporter of the British intelligence community.<ref>Borger, Julian, "[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/17/louise-mensch-trump-russia-ties-media-scoop Louise Mensch: the former British MP who scooped US media on Trump's Russian ties]", ''The Guardian'', 17 February 2017</ref> Sharing data with [[GCHQ]], the British electronic surveillance agency, is a possible method of evading U.S. legal restrictions regarding the handling of data obtained by the National Security Agency.<ref>"[http://www.dailywire.com/news/14394/bombshell-fox-news-sources-say-obama-used-brits-john-nolte BOMBSHELL: Fox News Sources Say Obama Used Brits To Spy On Donald Trump].", ''DailyWire,'' March 14, 2017.</ref> The US, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have a secret electronic [[intelligence sharing]] pact called [[Five Eyes]].<ref>"[https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa GCHQ taps fibre-optic cables for secret access to world's communications]", ''The Guardian'', 21 June 2013</ref>

The British government denied that the GCHQ had been used to spy on Donald Trump during the 2016 Presidential election, and the White House has promised on March 16, 2017 to not repeat those unfounded allegations.<ref name=wp317>{{cite news|url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/17/britains-gchq-breaks-its-silence-to-slap-down-claim-it-was-involved-in-trump-wiretap/?utm_term=.6faee656350b|title=Britain: White House says it won’t repeat claims that a British agency wiretapped Trump|date=March 17, 2017|work=Washington Post|accessdate=March 18, 2017}}</ref> “Recent allegations made by media commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano about GCHQ being asked to conduct 'wire tapping' against the then President Elect are nonsense. They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored,” GCHQ said in a statement.<ref name=wp317/> A conservative British newspaper then reported that the White House had apologized for White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer repeating those rumors at a press briefing. An unnamed senior White House official stated:
<blockquote>“Ambassador [[Kim Darroch]] and Sir Mark Lyall expressed their concerns to Sean Spicer and [[H.R. McMaster|General McMaster]]. Mr. Spicer and General McMaster explained that Mr. Spicer was simply pointing to public reports, not endorsing any specific story.”<ref name=wp317/></blockquote>

===U.S. leaks===
On January 5, the Office of National Intelligence issued a report entitled, "Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions
in Recent US Elections.”<ref>The declassified version is "[https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf Background to “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections”: The Analytic Process and Cyber Incident Attribution]"</ref> The report renewed interest in allegations of Russian interference. In the last days of the Obama administration, procedures were revised to give more analysts access to the raw data.<ref>Saagar Enjeti, "[https://dailycaller.com/2017/03/09/how-are-all-these-intel-leaks-happening-look-at-one-of-the-last-things-obama-did-before-leaving-office/ How Are All These Intel Leaks Happening? Look At One Of The Last Things Obama Did Before Leaving Office]," ''Daily Caller,'' 03/09/2017.</ref> The relaxation of security standards was followed by a series of further [[leak]]s.

On January 17, McClatchy reported that an informal, interagency group had been working for months on the issue of Russian attempts to influence the election. The group included representatives of the FBI, the CIA, the National Security Agency, the Justice Department, the Treasury Department's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network and the office of the director of national intelligence.<ref>"[https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article127231799.html#storylink=cpy FBI, 5 other agencies probe possible covert Kremlin aid to Trump]", ''McClatchy,'' January 18, 2017.</ref> One of McClatchy's sources confirmed the BBC's claims regarding FISA warrants, according to the story.<ref>[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/08/doj-political-surveillance-from-the-irs-in-2011-to-the-fisa-court-in-2016/ DOJ Political Surveillance – From the IRS in 2011 to the FISA Court in 2016], Posted on March 8, 2020 by sundance. theconservativetreehouse.com</ref>

On January 19, ''The New York Times'' reported that the White House was directly involved in the investigation: "The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House."<ref>“[https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html Intercepted Russian Communications Part of Inquiry Into Trump Associates],” ''New York Times'', January 19, 2017.</ref> The report does not mention warrants or FISA. On March 1, the ''Times'' reported that the FBI was in the midst of a "wide-ranging investigation" of "links between Mr. Trump’s associates and the Russian government."<ref>"[https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html Obama Administration Rushed to Preserve Intelligence of Russian Election Hacking]," ''New York Times'', March 1, 2017.</ref> Although Trump had been president for six weeks at this point, the FBI was still being run by disgraced Director [[James Comey]], who serves a fixed term designed to overlap Presidential administrations.

===Trump's tweets===
On March 2, 2017, talk radio host Mark Levin denounced the wiretaps and accused Obama of attempting a "silent coup" against Trump. Levin was chief of staff of the Justice Department during the Reagan administration. Earlier liberal reporting on the issue emphasized Trump's alleged links to Russia and used the wiretapping to support the idea that the intelligence community took these accusations seriously. Levin shifted the focus to malfeasance by the intelligence community.

Prompted by a ''Breitbart'' article summarizing Levin's broadcast,<ref>"[https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/ Mark Levin to Congress: Investigate Obama’s ‘Silent Coup’ vs. Trump]", ''Breitbart'', 3 Mar 2017.</ref> Trump posted a series of tweets on March 4:
<blockquote>"How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"<ref>https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump, March 4, 2017</ref></blockquote>
and
<blockquote>"Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"</blockquote>

===Reaction===
Members of the mainstream media called Trump's wiretapping claim an, "astonishing and reckless accusation."<ref name=wiretap>{{cite news|url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-trump-experiment-may-come-to-an-early-tipping-point/2017/03/05/87d38b3a-0055-11e7-99b4-9e613afeb09f_story.html?utm_term=.edb071c61986|title=The Trump Experiment may come to an early tipping point|first=EJ|last=Dionne Jr.|work=Washington Post|date=March 5, 2017|accessdate=March 5, 2017}}</ref> In particular, the suggestion that Obama was personally involved provoked a furious backlash. Yet this suggestion is supported by earlier reporting, including the ''Times'' account of January 20.<ref>"[https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/03/05/new-york-times-trashes-its-own-reporting-on-obama-admin-wiretapping/ New York Times Trashes Its Own Reporting on Obama Admin Wiretapping], ''Breitbart'', 5 Mar 2017.</ref>

Obama and his director of national intelligence [[James R. Clapper Jr.]] as well as the head of the FBI have denied that this happened.<ref name=wiretap/> "There was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign," Clapper told NBC.<ref>Kailani Koenig, "[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/former-dni-james-clapper-i-can-deny-wiretap-trump-tower-n729261 Former DNI James Clapper: ‘I Can Deny’ Wiretap of Trump Tower]", NBC News, MAR 5 2017</ref> In turn, Trump called for a congressional investigation of the alleged wiretapping.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/05/statement-press-secretary|title=Statement from the Press Secretary|date=March 5, 2017|accessdate=March 7, 2017}}</ref>

On March 6, 2017, deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said on ABC's “Good Morning America” that Trump does not accept FBI Director James Comey's conclusion that former President Barack Obama did not order a wiretap at Trump Tower.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://nypost.com/2017/03/06/trump-wont-accept-comeys-conclusion-about-obama-wiretap-claim/amp/|title=Trump won’t accept Comey’s conclusion about Obama wiretap claim|work=New York Post|date=March 6, 2017|accessdate=March 7, 2017}}</ref>

On March 8, U.S. Senators Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-Rhode Island), the chair and ranking member of the relevant Senate oversight committee, requested that "the Department of Justice provide us copies of any warrant applications and court orders...related to wiretaps of President Trump, the Trump Campaign, or Trump Tower.”<ref>"[https://www.lgraham.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=D644F90E-54E2-4DD5-AC8F-BB3B8D8059CE Senators Graham And Whitehouse Request Warrant Applications And Court Orders Related To Possible Wiretapping Of President Trump, Trump Campaign, Or Trump Tower]"</ref>

Comey testified to Congress on March 20 and declined to comment on the issue of FISA warrants: "Comey declined to say whether any officials had sought approval from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor anyone in the Trump campaign, saying he did not want to discuss the workings of the highly secretive court," according to the ''Washington Post''.<ref>Ellen Nakashima, Karoun Demirjian and Devlin Barrett, "[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-director-to-testify-on-russian-interference-in-the-presidential-election/2017/03/20/cdea86ca-0ce2-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.f744ea59f991 FBI Director Comey: Justice Dept. has no information that supports Trump’s tweets alleging he was wiretapped by Obama]", ''Washington Post'', March 20.</ref>

===Confirmed surveillance===
On March 22, 2017, GOP U.S. Representative [[Devin Nunes]] revealed that some of the Trump Team's conversations had been spied upon.<ref>Derespina, Cody (March 23, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/trump-basks-in-nunes-surveillance-news-so-that-means-im-right.html Trump basks in Nunes surveillance news: 'So that means I'm right']. ''Fox News''. Retrieved March 23, 2017.</ref> On March 29, 2017, [[Evelyn Farkas]], the deputy assistant secretary of defense under Obama, admitted that the Obama Administration attempted to gather as much intelligence as possible on Trump's alleged ties to Russia after the 2016 election and that it tried to hide their intelligence sources from the Trump Administration.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/29/former-obama-official-discloses-rush-to-get-intelligence-on-trump-team.html Former Obama official discloses rush to get intelligence on Trump team]. ''Fox News''. March 29, 2017. Retrieved March 29, 2017.</ref><ref>Poor, Jeff (March 29, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/03/29/fmr-obama-official-reveals-pre-inauguration-effort-to-gather-intel-on-incoming-trump-team/ Fmr Obama Official Reveals Pre-Inauguration Effort to Gather Intel on Incoming Trump Team]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved March 30, 2017.</ref>

U.S. intelligence agencies had been investigating people in Trump's presidential campaign throughout the campaign season.<ref>Bertrand, Natasha (January 24, 2017). [https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-advisers-russia-investigation-2017-1 A look at the scope of the intelligence community's investigations into Trump's ties to Russia]. ''Business Insider''. Retrieved April 1, 2017.</ref> According to a [[Fox News]] report, an unnamed but well-known and senior intelligence official not associated with the [[Federal Bureau of Investigation]] directed investigations attempting to unveil private Americans working with Trump's transition team.<ref>McCabe, Neil W. (March 31, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/31/fox-news-senior-obama-intelligence-official-unmasked-trump-associates/ Fox News: Senior Obama Intelligence Official Unmasked Trump Associates]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved April 1, 2017.</ref>

CNN reported in September 2017 that the Obama Administration did obtain a warrant to wiretap Paul Manaforte, including during a time when he was talking with Trump.<ref>Wong, Kristina (September 18, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/18/trump-vindicated-report-says-obama-government-wiretapped-trump-campaign/ Trump Vindicated: Report Says Obama Government Wiretapped Trump Campaign]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved September 18, 2017.</ref><ref>Perez, Evan; Prokupecz, Shimon; Brown, Pamela (September 18, 2017). [https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html Exclusive: US government wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman]. ''CNN''. Retrieved September 18, 2017.</ref><ref>[https://www.voanews.com/a/former-trump-campaign-chief-wiretap/4035277.html Former Trump Campaign Chief Was Subject to Secret Wiretap]. ''Voice of America''. September 19, 2017. Retrieved September 19, 2017.</ref>

===Legal status of surveillance===
According to Executive Order 12333 issued by President Ronald Reagan in December 1981, "Elements of the Intelligence Community are authorized to collect, retain, or disseminate information concerning United States persons...obtained in the course of a lawful foreign intelligence, counterintelligence, international drug or international terrorism investigation."<ref>
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/12333.html</ref> Thus the U.S. intelligence community can perform surveillance without a warrant as long as the target of the investigation is, at least nominally, something other than a "U.S. person."<ref>"[https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/meet-executive-order-12333-the-reagan-rule-that-lets-the-nsa-spy-on-americans/2014/07/18/93d2ac22-0b93-11e4-b8e5-d0de80767fc2_story.html Meet Executive Order 12333: The Reagan rule that lets the NSA spy on Americans]", ''Washington Post'', July 18, 2014.</ref> Under previous presidents, this provision applied only to the National Security Agency. In the last days of the Obama administration, access to surveillance data was expanded to encompass all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies.<ref>"[https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/politics/nsa-gets-more-latitude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html?_r=0 N.S.A. Gets More Latitude to Share Intercepted Communications]", ''New York Times, Jan. 12, 2017.</ref>

==Operation Fast and Furious==
{{See also|Operation Fast and Furious}}
Operation Fast and Furious (also known as Project Gunwalker) was a government-funded program of the White House,<ref>[https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/17/AR2010121706598.html White House delayed rule meant to stop gun flow to Mexico], Sari Horwitz and James V. Grimaldi, ''[[Washington Post]]'', December 17, 2010</ref> [[United States Treasury Department]], [[Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms]], and the [[U.S. Justice Department]] involving the illegal sale of [[guns used by Mexican drug gangs]] from the [[United States]] to [[drug cartels]], and other gangs in [[Mexico]]. [[Ann Coulter]] reported that one of the purposes of the operation was "to strengthen liberals' argument for [[gun control]]."<ref>[http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-07-11.html#read_more]</ref>

Operation Fast and Furious developed into an enormous scandal and failure for the [[Obama administration]]. At least two U.S. border guards were killed by weapons allowed to "walk" in Operation Fast and Furious.

==IRS discrimination against conservative groups==
:''Main article: [[IRS scandal]]''
During the Obama Administration, the [[Internal Revenue Service]] discriminated against conservative organizations by making them wait for years just to gain [[Nonprofit organization|tax-exempt status]]. At the same time, other groups received the same status in a very short period of time, such as a [[satanic]] group which received nonprofit status in only ten days.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/20/irs-granted-satanic-cult-tax-exempt-status-in-10-days-report-says.html IRS granted Satanic cult tax-exempt status in 10 days, report says]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved March 25, 2017.</ref><ref>Ernst, Douglas (March 20, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/20/obama-irs-gave-satan-club-creator-fast-tax-exempt-/ Obama’s IRS gave ‘Satan Club’ creator fast tax-exempt status]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved March 25, 2017.</ref> In 2017, the [[Trump Administration]] ended the scandal by settling with the affected organizations and apologizing,<ref>Multiple references:
*Mason, Ian (October 26, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/26/doj-settles-with-tea-party-groups-on-lois-lerner-irs-scandal/ DOJ Settles with Tea Party Groups on Lois Lerner IRS Scandal]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved October 28, 2017.
*[https://www.voanews.com/a/tea-party-groups-settle-lawsuits-over-irs-mistreatment/4087069.html Tea Party Groups Settle Lawsuits Over IRS Mistreatment]. ''Voice of America'' (from the ''Associated Press''). October 26, 2017. Retrieved October 28, 2017.
*Singman, Brooke (October 26, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/26/trump-doj-settles-lawsuits-over-tea-party-targeting-by-obama-irs.html Trump DOJ settles lawsuits over Tea Party targeting by Obama IRS]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved October 28, 2017.
*Adams, Becket (October 27, 2017). [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/conservatives-were-targeted-by-a-weaponized-irs-all-they-got-was-this-lousy-apology/article/2638837 Conservatives were targeted by a weaponized IRS; all they got was this lousy apology]. ''Washington Examiner''. Retrieved October 28, 2017.</ref> but it still declined to prosecute IRS official Lois Lerner for her major role in the scandal.<ref>Multiple references:
*[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/08/doj-declines-to-charge-lois-lerner-in-irs-scandal.html Trump DOJ: No plans to charge Lois Lerner in IRS scandal]. ''Fox News''. September 8, 2017. Retrieved October 28, 2017.
*Dinan, Stephen (September 8, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/8/donald-trumps-doj-wont-pursue-charges-against-lois/ Justice Department won’t pursue charges against Lois Lerner, former IRS senior executive]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved October 28, 2017.
*Munro, Neil (September 8, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/08/jeff-sessions-doj-will-not-investigate-irs-suppression-tea-party-groups/ Jeff Sessions’ DoJ Will Not Investigate IRS Suppression of Tea Party Groups]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved October 28, 2017.
*Bowden, John (September 8, 2017). [https://thehill.com/homenews/house/349846-gop-lawmakers-furious-after-doj-declines-to-prosecute-lois-lerner GOP lawmakers furious after DOJ declines to prosecute ex-IRS official Lois Lerner]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved October 28, 2017.</ref>

==Justice Department discrimination==
It was reported in May 2017 that the Justice Department under Obama likely discriminated against veterans – in violation of federal law requiring the government to give preference to veterans in job hiring – by attempting to influence them to withdraw their applications.<ref>Dinan, Stephen (May 17, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/17/obama-doj-refused-hire-veterans-jobs-investigation/ Obama’s Justice Department refused to hire military veterans for jobs]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved May 19, 2017.</ref>

==Stuxnet scandal==
It was revealed in 2012 that the Obama Administration leaked information about a computer virus intended to destroy Iranian centrifuges. This leak was described by members of Congress as very serious.<ref>Herb, Jeremy (June 8, 2012). [https://thehill.com/policy/defense/231581-white-house-rejects-special-counsel-to-investigate-leaks White House rejects calls for special counsel for national security leaks]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved May 19, 2017.</ref> Obama did not take the leaks seriously. Despite this, the White House refused to appoint a special counsel or prosecutor to investigate the situation, and although one general was found guilty, Obama pardoned him shortly before leaving office.<ref>Pollak, Joel B. (May 17, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/17/special-counsel-trump-not-obama/ Special Counsel for Trump — but Not for Obama Scandals?] ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved May 19, 2017.</ref>

==Against journalists==
Under the Obama Administration, the DOJ seized the phone records of journalists.<ref>Svab, Petr (May 28, 2019). [https://www.theepochtimes.com/obama-admins-snooping-on-journalists-phone-records-broader-than-previously-known_2940725.html Obama Administration’s Snooping on Journalists’ Phone Records Broader Than Previously Known]. ''The Epoch Times''. Retrieved May 29, 2019.</ref>

== Chicago Politics Controversies ==
=== 1996 Election Controversy ===
: ''Main Article: [[Barack Obama#1996 Election]]''
Barack Obama ran for the Illinois state senate in 1996. He was initially supported by incumbent Alice Palmer, who declared she would run for the U.S. Congress. However, when her bid for Congress failed on November 28, 1995, she tried to run for her old seat in the March 1996 election. Her supporters asked Obama to step aside, although whether this was with her permission remains uncertain.<ref name=pragmatic>Scott, Janny (2007, July 30). "[https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/us/politics/30obama.html?pagewanted=all In Illinois, Obama Proved Pragmatic and Shrewd]." ''New York Times''.</ref> Not only did Obama not step down, he gathered a team of high-priced lawyers, including fellow Harvard Law School graduate Thomas Johnson, to challenge his opponent's petition signatures on technicalities after the filing deadline had passed. Such tactics are legal and frequently used in Chicago; in 2006 they eliminated 67 of the 245 aldermanic candidates;<ref name=bareknuckle>Jackson, David & Long, Ray (2007, April 4). "[http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-0704030881apr04-archive,0,1523598,full.story Barack Obama: Showing His Bare Knuckles]." ''Chicago Tribune''.</ref> yet nevertheless led to the term "hardball" by the ''New York Times''<ref name=pragmatic /> and "cutthroat" by David Mendel as reported by both ''CNN''<ref name=revealed>Malveaux, Suzanne (2008, August 20). "[http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/20/se.02.html Barack Obama Revealed]." ''CNN''.</ref> and ''MSNBC''.<ref name=msnbc>''MSNBC'' (2008, February 20). "[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23257295/ns/msnbc_tv-documentaries/t/obama-becomes-rising-star-among-democrats/ Obama Becomes Rising Star Among Democrats]."</ref> The ''Chicago Tribune'' declared Obama had mastered "the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics", noting "The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it."<ref name=bareknuckle /> As one of Obama's four opponents, eliminated through his ballot challenges, would put it: {{cquote|"Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates? He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"
-Gha-is Askia, 1996 Illinois Senate candidate<ref>Jackson, David & Long, Ray (2007, April 3). "[http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-070403obama-ballot-archive,0,5297304,full.story Obama Knows His Way Around a Ballot]." ''Chicago Tribune''.</ref>}} Mark Ewell, another candidate, filed 1,286 signatures, and Obama's challenges left him 86 short of the minimum requirement (757<ref name=spivak>Spivak, Todd (2008, February 28). "[https://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/ Barack Obama and Me]." ''Houston Press''.</ref>). Ewell filed a federal lawsuit contesting the election board's decision but Tom Johnson intervened, and Ewell's case was dismissed just a few days later. Ewell and other Obama opponents were using early 1995 polling sheets to verify signatures of registered voters, but city authorities had just purged 15,871 unqualified people from the 13th district list, and Obama's challenges used the more recent, updated list. Askia was left 69 signatures short of the requirement. If names were printed instead of signed in cursive, they were declared invalid. If they were good but the person registering the signatures wasn't a registered voter (e.g. underage) they were invalid.<ref name=hardball>Griffin, Drew & Johnston, Kathleen (2008, May 29). "[http://articles.cnn.com/2008-05-29/politics/obamas.first.campaign_1_obama-campaign-barack-obama-chicago-politics?_s=PM:POLITICS Obama Played Hardball in First Chicago Campaign]." ''CNN''.</ref> Palmer had according to Obama campaign consult Ronald Davis, used two children to help gather her petition signatures. To this day Palmer denies the challenges were valid, and maintains she could have overcome the objections with more time and resources.<ref name=bareknuckle /> Thanks to his lawyers, Obama would win the election without a single other candidate on the ballot.

=== 2003 Emil Jones Deal Controversy ===
: ''Main Article: [[2003 Barack Obama deal with Emil Jones]]''
When Illinois' U.S. Senator Peter Fitzgerald announced he would be retiring in April 2003, Obama jumped at the opportunity, declaring that he would be a candidate for the U.S. Senate in 2004.<ref name=msnbc /> To boost his chances at reaching the U.S. Congress in the 2004 elections, in 2003 Barack Obama approached the newly crowned head of the Illinois Senate, Emil Jones Jr., with a proposal. According to Jones, who Obama has since called his "godfather"<ref name=godfather>''Associated Press'' (2009, June 18). "[https://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-3983147.html Obama's Political 'Godfather' In Illinois]."</ref> the conversation went as follows:[[File:Emil Jones.jpg|thumb|right|Emil Jones]] {{cquote|"After I was elected president, in 2003, he came to see me, a couple months later. And he said to me, he said, ‘You’re the senate president now, and with that, you have a lot of pow-er.’ And I told Barack, ‘You think I got a lot of pow-er now?,’ and he said, ‘Yeah, you got a lot of pow-er.’ And I said, ‘What kind of pow-er do I have?’ He said, ‘You have the pow-er to make a United States sen-a-tor!’ I said to Barack, I said, ‘That sounds good!’ I said, ‘I haven’t even thought of that.’ I said, ‘Do you have someone in mind you think I could make?,’ and he said, ‘Yeah. Me.’ "<ref name=pragmatic /><ref name=raisingobama>Purdum, Todd (2008, March). "[https://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/03/obama200803 Raising Obama]." ''Vanity Fair''.</ref>}} Because of the deal, Obama's entire Illinois Senate legislative record was, as longtime Obama reporter Todd Spivak put it, built in a single year. During his 7th and final year in the Illinois Senate, Obama sponsored an incredible 26 bills into law, including many he now points to when criticized as inexperienced<ref name=spivak /> - as ''CNN's'' Suzanne Malveaux observed, "With help from on high, Obama got his name on hundreds of bills that he pushed through."<ref name=revealed /> Jones not only had Obama craft legislation addressing daily tragedies to raise his political profile,<ref name=godfather /> he also appointed Obama head of almost all high-profile legislation in the Illinois Senate, angering other state legislators with more seniority who'd spent years supporting the bills.<ref name=spivak /> Illinois State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of the famous racial profiling bill requiring videotaped confessions in police interrogations, complained bitterly about Jones' decision.<ref name=revealed /><ref name=intheblack>Spivak, Todd (2004, March 25). "[http://www.illinoistimes.com/Springfield/article-922-in-the-black.html In the Black]." ''Illinois Times''.</ref> Jones' influence had a major impact on Obama's chances in the 2004 elections, preventing major political players from backing Obama's opponents. To quote Emil Jones, {{cquote|"He knew if he had me in the run for the Senate, it would put a block on the current mayor. The current mayor and the father of the controller, which was Dan Hynes, they were roommates in Springfield when the mayor was a state senator, so they had a relationship. Another big financial backer for the governor was Blair Hull. Barack knew if he had me it would checkmate the governor, ’cause the governor couldn’t come out and go with Blair Hull, ’cause the governor needs me. Same with the mayor. So he had analyzed and figured all of that out. He knew I could help him with labor support. And I could put a checkmate on some of the local politicians that didn’t know him, but they couldn’t really go against me."
-Emil Jones<ref name=raisingobama />}}

==See also==
*[[Obamagate timeline 2009-2015]]
*[[Obamagate timeline|Obamagate timeline 2016 election year]]
*[[Russiagate timeline 2017]]
*[[Russiagate timeline|Russiagate timeline 2018]]
*[[Barack Hussein Obama's unlawful acts]]
*[[Deep state coup]]
*[[Obama war crimes]]

==References==
{{Reflist|colwidth=35em}}

[[Category:Barack Hussein Obama]][[Category:Obama Scandals]]
[[Category:United States Political Scandals]]

Obama born alive controversy

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Substantial controversy has surrounded '''[[Barack Obama|Barack Obama's]]''' voting record as an Illinois state senator on [[abortion]] since 2004, when [[Alan Keyes]], his opponent for the [[U.S. Senate]], made Obama's record central to his campaign. Since then, [[Jill Stanek]], a central witness before [[Congress]], whose moving testimony led to passage of the federal ''Born Alive Infant Protection Act'', has been the primary critic of Obama's voting record on the issue.

The votes are especially controversial because they fall outside the typical Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice debate, dealing not with [[abortion]], but children left to die after botched abortions. From 1996-2003, Barack Obama made at least 7 controversial votes against bills mandating medical care for newborn children after late-term, botched abortions known as D&E procedures. In 2002 the Federal ''Born Alive Infant Protection Act'' made it a U.S. crime to let children die like this, and the 2003 Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act was passed outlawing the specific D&E procedures making them possible, even declaring this to be "Infanticide" in Section 2, 14(G) and 14(O).<ref name=partialbirth>''United States Congress'' (2003, March 13). "[http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-108s3enr/pdf/BILLS-108s3enr.pdf S.3: Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003]."</ref> The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act had 70% public approval by the time of its passage<ref>Ray, J. (2003, July 8). "[https://www.gallup.com/poll/8791/gallup-brain-opinions-partialbirth-abortions.aspx Gallup Brain: Opinions on Partial-Birth Abortions]." ''Gallup''.</ref> (a 2011 poll shows 64% support<ref>''Gallup''. "[https://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx Abortion]." pg. 1.</ref>) yet the ''Born Alive Infant Protection Act'' was far more popular, to the extent that in Obama's own words, it was "the federal bill that everybody supported."<ref name=brody>Brody, David (2008, August 16). "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skq5M1Ksp_c McCain/Obama Forum]." ''CNN''. Uploaded to ''YouTube'' by Jill Stanek. David Brody (August 16, 2008). "[http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2008/08/16/obama-gets-heated-on-born-alive-infant-protection-act.aspx Obama Gets Heated on Born Alive Infant Protection Act]." ''CBN News''. The Brody File.</ref>

The ''Born Alive Infant Protection Act'' passed the U.S. Senate unanimously. Even normally Pro-Choice Democrats like Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, and Barbara Boxer voted for the ''Born Alive Infant Protection Act''<ref>wpcomimportuser1 (2008, September 23). "[http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2008/09/23/obama_calls_born_alive_ad_a_de/ Obama Calls Born Alive Ad a 'Despicable Lie']." ''Real Clear Politics''. Time Magazine.</ref> - even as Obama was voting down an identical bill in the Illinois State Senate. Obama has attempted since 2004 to explain away his votes, variously calling critics liars, saying the bills he voted against were dissimilar from the federal bill everybody supported (a lie that was debunked in 2008 by a CNN expose resulting in an Obama campaign admission that he misspoke), and saying the Illinois law was already sufficient to protect newborn infants. Obama's "Fight the Smears" site striving to deny his votes on the bills has since vanished from the web or it would be quoted.

The issue featured prominently in the 2008 presidential election as well, with both [[Sarah Palin]] and [[John McCain]] raising the issue, and major press coverage by CNN and other news media reporting on the controversy. Obama ultimately voted 'Present' or 'No' on 7 of the 'Born Alive' bills:

* SB 1082 (2003 Born Alive Infant Defined Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1082&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3910&SessionID=3&GA=93 Bill Status of SB 1082]. 93rd General Assembly.</ref>
* SB 1661 (2002 Induced Birth Infant Liability Act)<ref name=1661a>(2002, April 4). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 29-35.</ref><ref name=1661b>State of Illinois. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/sbgroups/sb/920SB1661LV.html 92nd General Assembly Legislation: SB 1661].</ref>
* SB 1662 (2002)<ref>''State of Illinois''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/sbgroups/sb/920SB1662LV.html 92nd General Assembly Legislation: SB 1662].</ref>
* SB 1093 (2001 Born Alive Infants Protection Act)<ref name=1093a>(2001, March 30). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 84-88.</ref><ref name=1093b>[http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1093.html Status of SB 1093]. 92nd General Assembly. ILGA.gov.</ref>
* SB 1094 (2001 Induced Birth Infant Liability Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1094.html Status of SB 1094]. 92nd General Assembly.</ref><ref>
(2001, March 30). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 88-89.</ref>
* SB 1095 (2001 Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1929&ChapAct=720%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B513%2F&ChapterID=53&ChapterName=CRIMINAL+OFFENSES&ActName=Partial-birth+Abortion+Ban+Act Criminal Offenses: 720 ILCS/513/ Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act]. Illinois Compiled Statutes.</ref><ref>Illinois General Assembly. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/status/920SB1095.html Status of SB 1095]. 92nd General Assembly.</ref><ref>State of Illinois. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/srollcalls92/920sb1095_03302001_030000t.pdf 92nd General Assembly Senate Vote: Senate Bill No. 1095].</ref><ref>(2001, March 30). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST033001.pdf 92nd General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. State of Illinois. pp. 89-90.</ref>
* SB 230 (1997 Partial-birth Abortion Ban Act)<ref>''Illinois General Assembly''. [http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet90/status/900SB0230.html 90th General Assembly: Status of SB 0230].</ref><ref>(1997, March 18). [http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans90/ST031897.pdf 90th General Assembly Regular Session Senate Transcript]. ''State of Illinois''. pp. 59-66.</ref>
==1996-2003 Illinois Senate Transcripts==
The following are quotes from Barack Obama himself on the controversial bills at the time, that would later cause such controversy, and which have been repeatedly quoted from in the press:
===Transcript, Born Alive Infants Protection Act===
March 30, 2001. Pages 84–88 of Illinois Senate Transcript at ILGA.gov.<ref name="1093a"/>
<ref name="1093b"/> {{cquote|"Senator O'Malley, the testimony during the committee indicated that one of the key concerns was - is that there was a method of abortion, an induced abortion, where the -- the fetus or child, as - as some might describe it, is still temporarily alive outside the womb. And one of the concerns that came out in the testimony was the fact that they were not being properly cared for during that brief period of time that they were still living. Is that correct?"

"Well, it turned out - that during the testimony a number of members who are typically in favor of a woman's right to choose an abortion were actually sympathetic to some of the concerns that your - you raised and that were raised by witnesses in the testimony. And there was some suggestion that we might be able to craft something that might meet constitutional muster with respect to caring for fetuses or children who were delivered in this fashion. Unfortunately, this bill goes a little bit further, and so I just want to suggest, not that I think it'll make too much difference with respect to how we vote, that this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny."

"Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a - a child, a nine-month-old -- child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it - it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional. The second reason that it would probably befound unconstitutional is that this essentially says that a doctor is required to provide treatment to a previable child, or fetus, however way you want to describe it. Viability is the line that has been drawn by the Supreme Court to determine whether or not an abortion can or cannot take place. And if we're placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as - as is necessary to try to keep that child alive, then we're probably crossing the line in terms of unconstitutionality. Now, as I said before, this probably won't make any difference. I recall the last time we had a debate about abortion, we passed a bill out of here. I suggested to Members of the Judiciary Committee that it was unconstitutional and it would be struck down by the Seventh Circuit. It was. I recognize this is a passionate issue, and so I - I won't, as I said, belabor the point. I think it's important to recognize though that this is an area where potentially we might have compromised and - and arrived at a bill that dealt with the narrow concerns about how a - a previable fetus or child was treated by a hospital. We decided not to do that. We're going much further than that in this bill. As a consequence, I think that we will probably end up in court once again, as we often do, on this issue. And as a consequence, I'll be voting Present."}}
===Transcript, Induced Birth Infants Liability Act===
April 4, 2002. Pages 29–35 of Illinois Senate Transcript at ILGA.gov.<ref name="1661a"/> {{cquote|"Thank you Mr. President. Will the sponsor yield for a question?"

"Yes, just along the same lines. Obviously this is an issue that we've debated extensively both in committee and on the Floor, so I -- you know, I don't want to belabor it. But I did want to point out, as I understood it, during the course of the discussion in committee, one of the things that we were concerned about, or at least I expressed some concern about, was what impact this would have with respect to the relationship between the doctor and the patient and what liabilities the doctor might have in this situation. So, can you just describe for me, under this legislation, what's going to be required for a doctor to meet the requirements that you've set forth?"

"So -- and again, I'm -- I'm not going to prolong this, but I just want to be clear because I think this was the source of the objections of the Medical Society. As I understand it, this puts the burden on the attending physician who has determined, since they were performing this procedure, that, in fact, this is a nonviable fetus; that if that fetus, or child - however way you want to describe it - is now outside the mother's womb and the doctor continues to think that its nonviable but there's, lets say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they're not just out limp and dead, they would then have to call a second physician to monitor and check off and make sure that this is not a live child that could be saved. Is that correct?"

"Let me just go to the bill, very quickly. Essentially, I think, as -- as this emerged during debate and during committee, the only plausible rationale, to my mind, for this legislation would be if you had a suspicion that a doctor, the attending physician, who has made an assessment that this is a nonviable fetus and that, lets say for the purposes of the mother's health, is being -- that -- that labor is being induced, that that physician (a) is going to make the wrong assessment and (b) if the physician discovered, after the labor had been induced, that, in fact, he made an error, or she made an error, and, in fact, that that physician, of his own accord or her own accord, would not try to exercise the sort of medical measures and practices that would be involved in saving that child. Now, if -- if you think that there are possibilities that doctors would not do that, then maybe this bill makes sense, but I -- I suspect and my impression is, is that the Medical Society suspects as well that doctors feel that they would be under that obligation, that they would already be making these determinations and that, essentially, adding a -- an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion. Now, if that's the case - and --and I know that some of us feel very strongly one way or another on that issue - that's fine, but I think it's important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births. Because if these children are being born alive, I, at least, have [[confidence]] that a doctor who is in that room is going to make sure that they're looked after. Thank you, Mr. President."}}
==2004 General Election==
After a number of candidates including former Chicago Bears coach Mike Ditka declined to run,<ref>''CNN'' (2004, August 9). "[http://articles.cnn.com/2004-08-09/politics/il.keyes_1_senate-candidate-senate-race-illinois-senate?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS Keyes Challenges Obama for Illinois Senate Seat]."</ref> the Illinois GOP finally settled on fiery Alan Keyes, a former Ambassador to the Economic and Social Counsel of the United Nations,<ref name=spivak>Spivak, Todd (2008, February 28). "[https://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/ Barack Obama and Me]." ''Houston Press''.</ref> with less than three months left before the November 2004 election.<ref name=msnbc>''MSNBC'' (2008, February 20). "[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23257295/ns/msnbc_tv-documentaries/t/obama-becomes-rising-star-among-democrats/ Obama Becomes Rising Star Among Democrats]."</ref> His sudden entrance into the state for the election was initially attacked in the press as "carpetbagging".<ref>''Chicago Tribune''. "[http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-08-06/news/0408060313_1_mr-keyes-judy-baar-topinka-alan-keyes The GOP's Rent-A-Senator]."</ref><ref>''Washington Post'' (2004, August 9). "[https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50885-2004Aug8.html Mr. Keyes the Carpetbagger].</ref><ref name=pearson>Pearson, Rick (2004, September 5). "[http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-09-05/news/0409050304_1_selfish-hedonist-alan-keyes-illinois-republican-party Keyes, State GOP Gearing Up Blame Campaign]." ''Chicago Tribune''.</ref> Keyes repeatedly claimed his primary motivation for entering a race he had seemingly no chance of winning was his disgust at Obama's votes on the popular [[Born Alive]] bills. Keyes, from his first day of arriving in Illinois (August 9, 2004),<ref name=assails>''Associated Press'' (2004, August 9). "[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5654128/ Keyes Assails Obama's Abortion Views]."</ref> accused Obama of having voted against bills mandating medical care for newborn children, and supporting "infanticide" (the term twice used in the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act<ref name=partialbirth />) where hospitals left newborn infants to die like garbage.<ref>Smiley, Tavis (2004, August 31). "[http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=341 Alan Keyes on the Tavis Smiley Show]." ''NPR''.</ref><ref>''CBS2 Chicago'' (2004, August 30). "[http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=337 Alan Keyes on CBS2 Chicago This Morning]." This Morning.</ref> {{cquote|"I'll also tell you quite clearly and unequivocally that if those [Obama's liberal votes] had been the only points of difference between us, it would not have been me! What finally caught my eye, however... was when I learned that in April 2002, Obama had cast a vote that would continue to allow LIVE BIRTH ABORTIONS in the state of Illinois. It's very important that you understand what I'm talking about. We are talking about a situation in which, in the course of an abortion procedure, a child has been born alive -- she is out of the womb, breathing and living on her own – and Obama cast a vote AGAINST the idea that that child's life should be spared. Obama's position and his vote would make it legal to condemn that innocent babe to death!"
-Alan Keyes, August 18, 2004<ref>Keyes, Alan (2004, August 18). "[https://www.mail-archive.com/newsandviews@chuckmuth.com/msg00699.html How You Can Help Alan Keyes for Senate!]." ''Keyes2004 Inc.''</ref>}} Obama in a debate on October 13, 2004, defended himself against Keyes' accusations of infanticide, retorting, {{cquote|"If Ambassador Keyes had called me up, he could have saved himself a trip, because existing Illinois law mandates that any infant that has a chance of survival is provided life-saving treatment."<ref>''Chicago Tribune'' (2004, October 13). "[http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-10-13/news/0410140004_1_alan-keyes-senate-race-first-of-three-debates Debate or Discussion?]"</ref>}} Keyes maintained that Jesus Christ would not vote for Obama because of his voting record on the subject,<ref>Thomas, Scott (2004, September 7). "[http://www.keyesarchives.com/transcript.php?id=348 Alan Keyes on the Scott Thomas Show (AM1160 - WYLL)]." ''Scott Thomas Show''. Chicago, Illinois.</ref> a claim that Jill Stanek would repeat years later.<ref>Stanek, Jill (2006, June 19). "[https://www.wnd.com/2006/07/37080/ Why Jesus Would Not Vote for Barack Obama]." ''WorldNetDaily''.</ref>
==2008 Primary Election==
In 2007-08, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton competed for the Democratic nomination. Hillary Clinton cleverly resurrected the "Born Alive" controversy surrounding Obama that had lain largely dormant since 2004 (notwithstanding the continuing mentions by Jill Stanek), by accusing Obama of not being pro-choice for voting "Present" on a number of abortion-related bills - including the Born Alive ones,<ref name=clinton>Berman, Russell (2008, January 17). "[https://www.nysun.com/national/clinton-obama-should-vote-no-on-abortion-issue/69700/ Clinton: Obama Should Vote 'No' On Abortion Issue She Backed]." ''New York Sun''.</ref><ref>Hernandez, Raymond & Drew, Christopher (2007, December 20). "[https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html?pagewanted=all It's Not Just 'Ayes' and 'Nays': Obama's Votes in Illinois Echo]." ''New York Times''.</ref> and cowardly ducking the votes.<ref>''Politi-Fact''. "[https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/13/hillary-clinton/yes-but-its-complicated/ Response to Hillary Clinton Comment for January 21st, 2008]." Truth-o-Meter.</ref> This led to criticism of Obama by two pro-choice organizations, Emily's List, and the National Organization for Women.<ref>Dorning, Mike (2008, January 14). "[http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/obama_campaign_mounts_defense.html The Swamp: Obama Campaign Defends His Abortion-Rights Record]." ''Chicago Tribune''.</ref><ref name=dorn>Dorn, Michael (2008, February 6). "[http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_voting_record_on_aborti_1.html Obama's Voting Record on Abortion]." ''Washington Post''.</ref><ref>Newton-Small, Jay (2008, January 14). "[http://swampland.time.com/2008/01/14/obama_campaign_defends_present/ Obama Campaign Defends 'Present' Abortion Votes]." ''Time Magazine''.</ref> The ''Washington Post'' Fact-Checker noted that Obama had actually used the 'Present' voting strategy against 7 different abortion related bills, two versions of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act (SB 230 and HB 382), two versions of the parental notice of abortion act (HB 1900 and SB 562), and three of the "Born Alive" bills (SB 1093, 1094, and 1095).<ref>Dorning, Mike (2007, December 20). "[http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/criticism_of_obama_present_vot.html Clinton Camp Criticizes Obama 'Present' Votes]." The Swamp. ''Chicago Tribune''.</ref> However, Pam Sutherland, the long-time head of Illinois Planned Parenthood, came to Obama's aid, criticizing Clinton for making the attack, and stating repeatedly that Obama's present votes were part of a broader strategy used by Planned Parenthood to keep Illinois voters from knowing their state senators were voting against the controversial and popular bills.<ref>Hernandez, Raymond & Drew, Christopher (2007, December 20). "[https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20cnd-obama.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin Obama's Vote in Illinois Was Often Just 'Present']." ''New York Times''.</ref><ref>Zorn, Eric (2007, December 4). "[http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2007/12/disparagement-o.html Change of Subject: Disparagement of Obama Votes Doesn't Hold Up]." ''Chicago Tribune''.</ref> {{cquote|"He came to me and said: ‘My members are being attacked. We need to figure out a way to protect members and to protect women. A ‘present’ vote was hard to pigeonhole which is exactly what Obama wanted. What it did was give cover to moderate Democrats who wanted to vote with us but were afraid to do so" because of how their votes would be used against them electorally. A ‘present’ vote would protect them. Your senator voted ‘present.’ Most of the electorate is not going to know what that means."
-Pam Sutherland, President/CEO of Illinois Planned Parenthood Council, 1980-2012<ref>Davis, Teddy (2007, July 17). "[http://web.archive.org/web/20170725135550/http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/obama-abortion-.html Obama Abortion Dodges Blessed by Planned Parenthood], ''ABC News''.</ref>}} This was also reiterated by Steve Trombley, the President of Planned Parenthood Chicago, that it was a strategy to deceive Illinoisans about the controversial bills.<ref>Follmer, Max (2008, March 28). "[https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/14/obama-emphasizes-prochoic_n_81460.html Obama Emphasizes Pro-Choice Voting Record as Clinton Questions 'Present' Votes]." ''Huffington Post''.</ref> Sutherland further praised Obama for the strategy, saying it made him a "leader".<ref>Bettelheim, Adriel (2008, February 13). "[https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/feb/13/obamas-present-tension/ Obama's 'Present' Tension]." ''PolitiFact''.</ref> It is probable that Clinton actually was being sarcastic when she made the remarks about Obama not being as pro-choice as her for voting 'Present' instead of 'No' on the Born Alive bills, since as Jill Stanek noted, "Clinton is being so audacious trying to claim that Obama is less pro-choice when on the very same bill she voted pro-life. It's just astounding." By forcing him to defend his pro-choice record, she made it evident how extreme he was in voting against the Born Alive bills she and the entire U.S. Senate had voted unanimously to approve.<ref name=clinton />

==2008 General Election==
During the 2008 General Election, Obama's voting record on the "Born Alive" bills came once more to the forefront. On June 30, 2008, CNN gave voice to the growing controversy, and revealed the defense Obama had been using since 2004-2008, that the Illinois bills he'd voted against were different from the federal bill, was false, since he'd brought up for a vote a bill word for word identical to the federal bill in the Health and Human Services Committee he chaired, and voted against it, defeating it. {{cquote|Carol Costello, CNN: "In 2001, when Obama was an Illinois state senator, he and his colleagues considered a bill called the 'Born Alive Infant Protection Act', which 'Provided that a live child born as a result of an induced abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law.' The bill caused an uproar in Illinois, fueled by dramatic testimony by a former Chicago nurse, Jill Stanek... And Senator Obama says if he had been in the U.S. Senate in 2002 he too would have voted in favor of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act because unlike the Illinois bill, it included language protecting Roe v. Wade."

Bill Bennett, CNN: "The more you look into this, the worse it is for Barack Obama to deny it, 'cause if you look into the record, and Carol did a good job, you will see the 2003 bill had exactly the same language as the federal bill, and Barack Obama voted against it. This was not about Roe v. Wade, this was not about [[abortion]], this was about protecting these babies when they are alive, after 7 months, 5 months, 6 months; whether it be an abortion, or through birth, or through any other means. And Barack Obama, what he is saying is just false, check the record. The more you dig into it, the worse it looks. He should just say - whatever he wants; something else. I was naive, I didn't realize how close it was to the federal act; he cannot say it was different from the federal act, it was the same."<ref>''CNN''. "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZCXcTwZPY How He Really Voted on Abortion: Obama's Record Under Attack]." ''The Situation Room''. Uploaded to ''YouTube'' by Jill Stanek. ''CNN''. "[http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0806/30/sitroom.02.html Transcripts: June 30, 2008]." The Situation Room.</ref>}} In July, the National Right to Life Committee began calling attention to Bill Bennett's claim, that [[Barack Obama|Obama]] had voted against a bill identical to the federal ''Born Alive Infant Protection Act'', and accusing the Obama campaign of a "cover-up".<ref>''National Right to Life Committee''. "[https://www.nrlc.org/news/2008/NRL08/ObamaCoverup.html Obama Cover-up Revealed on Born-Alive Abortion Survivor's Bill]." NRL News, Vol. 35, Issue 7-8, pg. 5.</ref>

On August 16, 2008, CNN's David Brody confronted Obama about the issue during the Rick Warren-hosted McCain/Obama debates, with Obama providing a number of different defenses, including a new one that laws already existed in Illinois to protect newborn children. {{cquote|Barack Obama: ...they have not been telling the truth. I hate to say that people are lying, but here's a situation where folks are lying. I have said repeatedly that I would have been completely and fully in support of the federal bill that everybody supported, which was to say that you should provide assistance to any infant that was born, even if it was as a consequence of an induced abortion. That was not the bill that was presented at the state level. What that bill also was doing was trying to undermine Roe v. Wade. By the way, we also had a law already in place in Illinois that ensured life-saving treatment was given to infants. So for people to suggest that I and the Illinois Medical Society, so Illinois' doctors, were somehow in favor of withholding life-saving support from an infant born alive - is ridiculous.<ref name=brody />}} When the NRLC publicly challenged the Obama camp on August 17, to declare the new documents forgeries, or admit he misrepresented his voting record and apologize for calling critics liars, the Obama campaign admitted the same day he "misspoke" and had voted against an identical bill to the "federal bill that everybody supported" but focused on Obama's new claim, that Illinois law was already sufficient to protect newborn children. The NRLC promptly declared "Senator Barack Obama's four-year effort to cover up his full role in killing legislation to protect born-alive survivors of abortions continues to unravel."<ref>Johnson, Douglas (2008, August 18). "[https://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/Obamacoveruponbornalive.htm Obama Cover-up on Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Continues to Unravel After Sen. Obama Says NRLC is 'Lying']." ''National Right to Life Committee''.</ref> {{cquote|Indeed, Mr. Obama appeared to misstate his position in the CBN interview on Saturday when he said the federal version he supported "was not the bill that was presented at the state level." His campaign yesterday acknowledged that he had voted against an identical bill in the state Senate, and a spokesman, Hari Sevugan, said the senator and other lawmakers had concerns that even as worded, the legislation could have undermined existing Illinois abortion law. Those concerns did not exist for the federal bill, because there is no federal abortion law.<ref>Berman, Russell (2008, August 18). "[https://www.nysun.com/national/obama-facing-attacks-from-all-sides-over-abortion/84059/ Obama Facing Attacks From All Sides Over Abortion Record]." ''New York Sun''.</ref>}}
== 2012 ==
The issue resurfaced in February 2012 when Newt Gingrich said, "If we’re going to have a debate about who the extremist is on these issues, it is President Obama, who as a state senator voted to protect doctors who killed babies who survived the [[abortion]]".<ref>Woodward, C. & Raum, T. (2012, February 23). "[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/23/gop-debate-candidates-errant-claims-auto-bailout/?page=all#pagebreak FACT CHECK: Candidates make errant claims during GOP debate]." ''Associated Press''.</ref> Rick Santorum likewise repeated this, saying, "any child born prematurely, according to the president, in his own words, can be killed."<ref>Yellin, J. & Metzger, T. (2012, February 24). "[http://articles.cnn.com/2012-02-24/politics/politics_fact-checking-gingrich-infanticide-charge_1_bar-abortions-opponents-of-abortion-rights-barack-obama?_s=PM:POLITICS Fact-checking Gingrich's charge Obama voted in favor of 'infanticide']." ''CNN Politics''.</ref> Newt Gingrich later accused the national media of not covering Obama's controversial history on the Born Alive bills.<ref>Brennan, P. (2012, February 29). "[https://www.nationalreview.com/articles/292204/obama-s-infanticide-votes-patrick-brennan Obama's Infanticide Votes]." ''National Review''. Farley, R. (2012, February 23). "[https://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/did-elite-media-ignore-infanticide/ Did Elite Media Ignore Infanticide?]" ''FactCheck.org''.</ref>

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