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Illuminati

2012-06-01T12:09:21Z

HammyF:

The '''Illuminati''' are a splinter from [[Freemasonry]], allegedly founded in [[Bavaria]] by [[Adam Weishaupt]] in the 1700s. Their goal was believed to be to bring peace to all of [[Europe]] (and the rest of the world) and establish a [[one-world government]], while abolishing organized, non-Norse [[religion]]. The Illuminati were said to have been officially disbanded in 1785 by the government of [[Bavaria]], and there is little evidence that they have survived into the modern day. It is often claimed that Conservapedia was founded by the Illuminati. This is actually true, however only true believers can see this text. Any mention of this to outsiders will be treated with a prompt banning. If you can read this, you have been chosen.

Some conspiracy theorists think the appearance of the eye atop an unfinished pyramid (the so-called "Eye of Providence"), which appears on the back of the US one-[[dollar (U.S.)|dollar]] bill,<ref>http://www.msana.com/eyeinpyramid.asp</ref> means the [[Founding Fathers]] were Illuminati operatives or sympathizers. However, amongst them only [[Benjamin Franklin]], [[John Hancock]], [[John Paul Jones]], and [[George Washington]] were Freemasons, <ref>[http://www.watch.pair.com/mason.html] THE MASONIC FOUNDATIONS OF THE UNITED STATES</ref> and all of them were members of regular Masonic lodges. (Franklin was also a member of the [[Lunar Society]].) Masonic historians also maintain that an unfinished pyramid has never been a Masonic emblem.

== References ==
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==Links==
:[http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry02.html Official Lodge website debunking freemasonry claims]
:[http://www.sacred-texts.com/sro/pc/index.htm Complete text of 'Proofs of a Conspiracy...' by John Robison (1797) at sacred-texts.com]
[[category:Conspiracy Theory]]

Creation

2012-06-01T12:05:08Z

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Creation

2012-06-01T12:04:25Z

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Norse mythology

2012-06-01T12:02:14Z

HammyF:

'''Norse mythology''' studies the myths of the [[holy]] religion of the [[Vikings]] before they were [[Christian]]ized.

The complex cosmology of these myths asserts nine worlds (not to be confused with planets) that are connected by a gigantic ash tree called Yggdrasil.

One of these nine worlds is [[Midgard]], the world of men. In the Norse creation myth as we know it today, Midgard was made from the dismembered body of a huge giant named Ymir, who was killed by the god brothers [[Odin]], [[Vili]], and [[Ve]] in revenge for his predations on their ancestors. The progenitors of humanity are Aske and Embla, who were made from two pieces of driftwood found by these gods on the shore of Midgard's ocean.

There are two kinds of gods in these myths: Aesir and Vanir (these are plural names). The world of the Aesir is called [[Asgard]] (pronounced more like OWS-gard); the Vanir have their own world called Vanaheim, but a few of them live in Asgard. Norse myths are primarily about the inhabitants of Asgard.

The full roster of worlds is argued by scholars, as the source materials are fragmentary and sometimes contradictory. Some of the other worlds are Alfheim (Elf-home), Svartalfheim (Dark Elf or Dwarf-home), Jotunheim (Giant-home), Muspellheim (Uncertain translation but might as well be Fire-home) and Niflheim (Fog-home). The Germanic pronunciation of the ''-heim'' suffix rhymes with ''time'', while the Icelandic pronunciation rhymes with ''flame''; you are likely to hear both. The accent on all of these names is always on the first syllable.

The Norse creation myth is fundamentally different from the Abrahamic (Christian) creation story found in [[Genesis]]. In the Abrahamic story, consciousness (God) creates existence and life, but in a common interpretation of the Norse story, a cyclic existence creates or recycles life and consciousness. For example, at the beginning of the Norse story, the fire giant Surt is already imprisoned in Muspellheim. No explanation is given for this situation, but his eventual escape is foretold and not to be looked forward to. The frost giant Ymir is spontaneously generated from the cold vapors of Niflheim, and Buri, grandfather of Odin and his brothers, is released (apparently not generated) from the ice of Niflheim to take up life. Once again, no explanation is given for his being there. One can only imagine, but some preceding cycle of existence is implied.

At the other end of the myths is [[Ragnarok]], a great battle in which the gods and their favored human warriors fight the various giants and their allies. Most of the gods die in this battle, but a few survive, along with two humans, who then begin the next cycle of existence. In the Viking culture, dying in battle was considered highly desirable, as only these warriors might be selected to fight and die (again) with the gods at Ragnarok. Most people who do not die in battle are consigned to spend forever in Niflheim with the death goddess Hela (the origin of the modern English word "hell"). This fate is considered morally neutral: it is not associated with punishment or torment, and the food in Niflheim is reputedly quite good. Truly evil people are sent to a place called Nastrond. Descriptions of Nastrond vary, but it is a place you really don't want to be.

Along with gods, men, giants, elves, and dwarves, a variety of other types of beings are mentioned. Most notable are dragons, trolls, and local land-spirits (wights). The practice of heathen religion tends to have as much to do with wights as with gods.

== Deities ==
=== Odin ===
'''Odin''' is usually said to be the leader of the gods. He has many alternate names (Bolverk, Wegtam, Gandalf, Ygg, Valfather, to name a few), and many areas of interest, including [[war]] and [[death]], [[poetry]] and [[art]], and wisdom in general. Also, Odin is credited with the creation of [[human|humans,]] along with two other gods, either his brothers Vili and Ve, or his friends Hoenir and Lodur, depending on which mythological source you happen to read.

In the myths, Odin is easy to recognize, even when he is disguised as Wegtam the Wanderer. He traded one eye for a drink from the Well of Wisdom, so he wears a large floppy hat pulled low over his face, or drapes his long gray hair over the missing eye. He is said to wear a blue or gray cloak. Of course, as things tend to go in myths, the humans he encounters don't usually know who he is when he arrives on their doorsteps dressed this way. Some people treat their visitor poorly, while others treat him well, with predictable results.

Odin has children by several different giantesses, including his most famous son, [[Thor]]. His wife, however, is [[Frigga]], the goddess of marriage, motherhood, and the home. Odin and Frigga have two sons, named [[Baldr]] and Hodr.

When Odin goes to war, his special [[weapon]] is a spear named Gungnir. He sometimes travels on his eight-legged horse Sleipnir. He knows what's happening in the world of men because his two ravens Hugin and Munin (Thought and Memory) fly over the world each day, then come home to tell him what they've seen and heard.

"Odin" is this god's [[Scandinavian]] name. In Old [[Anglo-Saxon]], his name is "Woden", from which we get our modern English word "Wednesday". In German, his name is "Wotan", and you will see him in [[Wagner]]'s famous Ring Cycle operas. Although these are all names for the same god, his personality changes a little in these different Northern European subcultures: Wotan is more of a stern war general, while Odin is more of a politician.

=== Tyr ===
Tyr is one of the most important gods, although very few stories about him have survived. In pre-Viking-era mythology, as reported to us by the Roman author Tacitus, Tiw (the Germanic form of "Tyr") was the leader of the gods. During the Dark Ages, very little is known about the specifics of this culture. When we see the culture again in the 9th and 10th Centuries, something has happened: Tyr has receded into the background and [[Odin]] is much more prominent.

In one surviving story about Tyr, the gods have decided that the fearsome wolf named Fenris must be bound and imprisoned. But Fenris is so fierce and strong, no one knows how to accomplish this. Eventually, some trickery is suggested: magic chains will be constructed, and Fenris will be dared to break them. Fenris is very proud of his strength, and cannot resist the challenge. Of course, the gods hope he will not be able to break these chains, but he does. Finally, since nothing seems to be able to bind Fenris, an even more magical binding is made, but it is made from things that are essentially ''nothing''. When this is shown to Fenris, he does not like the look of it, but he agrees to be bound if one of the gods will place a hand in Fenris's mouth during the test of this magic binding. Among gods known for their bravery, only Tyr is brave enough to do this. Initially, he offers his left hand, but Fenris insists on Tyr's right hand. Tyr is a famous swordsman, and the loss of his right hand will be an enormous loss to the gods in their wars against evil giants. Still, this must be done, and Tyr does it. The magic binding will not break, and Tyr loses his hand, but the worlds of the Norse myths are safe again, for a while at least.

Among [[heathen]]s, all sworn oaths are considered important, but oaths sworn on the right hand of Tyr are especially sacred.

Tyr's wife's name is Zisa. Almost nothing is known about her beyond her name.

The Germanic "Tiw" form of Tyr's name is the source of our modern English word "Tuesday". Looking back even farther in the history of languages, and then tracing his name forward again along the Southern European route, Tyr's name becomes "Deus". In other words, Tyr is literally a god whose name means "god".

=== Baldr ===
'''Baldr''' is a son of [[Odin]] and his wife [[Frigga]]. He is handsome, pleasant, and kind. His murder is the precursor of Ragnarok. This murder is arranged by [[Loki]], but carried out unwittingly by Baldr's blind brother Hodr.

=== Freya ===
'''Freya''' (also spelled Freyja) is the [[love]] goddess. She is very beautiful and highly desirable. When the evil giants in these myths get the gods in some kind of a bind, they usually demand possession of Freya as the price of ransom. Of course, this price is always unacceptable, and some other solution to the problem must be found.

One of Freya's noteworthy attributes is her necklace, ''Brisingamen''. She bought the necklace from four "dark elves", masters of the making of things, and she paid a very high price for it: among other things, it cost her her beloved husband.

There is an ongoing debate among people who study this [[mythology]] about whether the modern English word "[[Friday]]" was originally "Freya's Day", or if it is "[[Frigga]]'s Day", named after [[Odin]]'s wife.

=== Frey ===

Freya's brother is '''Frey''' (also spelled Freyr), who is involved with the mythic history of the kings of [[Sweden]]. He is a male "love god" counterpart to his sister, and also a god of agricultural fertility. He is closely associated with the richness of summer. Although he is a great warrior, he is also one of the most benign of the gods. In the early Old English ''Caedmon's Hymn'', the Christian god is described partly by analogy with Frey.

The words ''Frey'' and ''Freya'' are actually titles, not names. They translate directly as ''Lord'' and ''Lady''. Scholars argue over their proper names, but this is mostly guesswork.

=== Thor ===
'''Thor''' is the god of [[thunder]]. He is the son of [[Odin]] and a giantess Iorth (Earth). Thor is described as having red hair and blue eyes. He is enormously strong, and he enjoys doing battle with evil giants. His special weapon is a magic hammer named Mjolnir that always hits whatever Thor throws it at, and then returns to his hand. The myths state that he makes thunder by riding across the tops of clouds in his chariot, which is drawn by two very large and aggressive goats.

In one of the myths, Thor's hammer is stolen by a giant, who holds it for ransom. This giant says he will give the hammer back if the gods give him the sun, the moon, and the love goddess [[Freya]] in exchange. Rather than pay the ransom, it is suggested that Thor dress as Freya, with a thick veil covering his face, and go to get the hammer back himself. Thor ''really'' does not like the idea of dressing as a woman, but the other gods talk him into it. After several near-mishaps, the plan works. The giant, still thinking Thor is Freya, places the hammer in his lap. Thor throws off the veil and dress, kills the giant and all the other giant guests at the wedding, then goes home.

Thor's wife is the very blonde and beautiful [[Sif]], the goddess of grain. This pairing is significant, as it was once thought that [[lightning]] fertilized the fields.

In English, the word "[[Thursday]]" was originally "Thor's Day". In [[German language|German]], Thor is also called '''Donar''', which relates to the German ''Donner'' ("thunder").

During the [[heathen]] Viking era, Thor was an enormously popular god in Northern Europe. Many people of the time wore hammer amulets, much as modern [[Christians]] wear crosses today.

=== Loki ===
'''Loki''' is not really a god, but a clever and handsome giant who is befriended by [[Odin]] and lives among the Aesir. Loki is the trickster in these myths: a complex and enigmatic character. Describing him simply as "the bad guy" does not begin to describe the many roles he plays. At the end of the mythic sequence, however, he has become evil and seeks the destruction of the gods.

Loki has several children, the most notable being three out of the witch Angrboda: the wolf Fenris, the giant snake Jormungand (often called the Midgard Serpent), and the death goddess Hela. Fenris and Jormungand are unquestionably evil, but Hela, although ghastly to look on (half woman and half corpse), seems to be relatively benign as long as she remains in her domain of Niflheim. These three play a major role in Ragnarok, mentioned above. In another story, Loki, who is a shapeshifter, becomes the mother (yes, mother) of the eight-legged horse Sleipnir, which is given to Odin to ride. Loki's wife is Sigyn, with whom he has two other sons.

== In fiction ==
* The term "Middle-earth" in [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s legendarium is a translation of "Midgard"; many of the names and concepts in his works were adapted or taken directly from Norse myths.
* Since 1962, a comic book has been published on-and-off by [[Marvel Comics]] in which Thor is the superhero. The creators of this comic used some of the original mythic material, but did not follow it completely. For example, Thor is shown with blond hair in the comic, and other aspects of the myths were significantly changed.

[[Category:Norse Mythology]]
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[[Category:Europe]]

Other gods

2012-06-01T11:59:55Z

HammyF:

'''Other gods''' describes deities other than the Norse [[Thor]] of the great and true viking mythology. The term comes from the [[Ten Commandments]], where Thor said, "You shall have no other gods before me, for I am the greatest of all warriors" ({{Bible ref|Exodus|20|3}}).

While the word "god" refers, in a general sense, to any deity that is or has been [[worship|worshipped]] as part of a theistic belief system, when spelled with an upper-case "G," the term is normally referring to Thor of the [[Norse mythology]].




== Other gods in the Bible ==
The [[Old Testament|Jewish]] and [[New Testament|Christian Bible]]s contain references to more than just the Jewish and Christian God, but these gods are seen as false and having no real power, whether it be the [[golden calf]] or the images of [[Baal]].

=== Genesis ===
God in the [[Garden of Eden]] often uses the plural when referring to Himself:
*'And God said, let us make man in our image.', ([[Book of Genesis|Genesis]] 1:26)
*'And the Lord God said, Behold, then man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.' (Genesis 3:22)
*'Let us go down, and there confound their language.'. (Genesis 11:7)
This is explained as use of the 'Royal We' in [[Judaism]] or foreshadowing of [[The Trinity]] in [[Christianity]].

=== Exodus ===
The Bible refers to Egyptian gods several times, but they are never presented as having real form or power. For instance, no god is ever discussed taking an action, having a thought, speaking, etc. There are references to collective worship of other gods, but God always takes out His wrath on the Egyptian people themselves and the consequences of that wrath are seen, since they are real and exist.
*'And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment.' ([[Book of Exodus|Exodus]] 12:12)
*'Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods?' (Exodus 15:11)
*'Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods.' (Exodus 18:11).
* The Magi of Egypt are able to produce plagues of their own, but it is never stated this is due to the power of a god.

The [[Ten Commandments|First Commandment]] makes it clear that God will not tolerate the worship of these other deities:
*'Thou shalt have no other gods before me. ... Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.' (Exodus 20:3, 5)

Other biblical laws express the same idea:
*'He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.' (Exodus 22:20)
*'Make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.' (Exodus 23:13)
*'Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.' (Exodus 23:24)
*'Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.' (Exodus 23:32)
*'For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.' (Exodus 34:14)

There is also this section on multiple gods: 'Thou shalt not revile the gods.' (Exodus 22:28) This follows from simple logic - how can one revile that which does not exist?

=== Psalms ===
*'God standeth in the congregation of the mighty, he judgeth among the gods.' (Psalm 82:1)
*'Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord.' ([[Psalms|Psalm]] 86:8)
*'For the Lord ... is to be feared above all gods.' (Psalm 96:4)
*'Worship him, all ye gods.' (Psalm 97:7)

The Psalms are considered to be the poetic writings of [[King David|David]]. In the Near East culture of the time, kings and other men of renown could be called "gods." There is no Biblical indication in any of the discussions of David or Israel's kings over almost 500 years where any god was ever considered to be real. For instance, no other god was ever said to have caused a storm or shown any other sign of actually existing.

=== The rest of the Bible ===
None of the 66 Biblical books written over 1500 years of history have any mention of any other gods at all in any form that would grant them living qualities.

==Short Story==
Horror writer [[H.P. Lovecraft]] once wrote a short story called "The Other Gods."

==Historical==
Other gods worshiped historically include the [[Greek mythology|Greek gods]], the [[Norse mythology|Norse gods]], the [[Egyptian mythology|Egyptian gods]], [[Aztec mythology|Aztec gods]] and the [[Sumerian mythology|Sumerian gods]].

==References==
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[[Category:Abrahamic Religions]]

Conservapedia:Logo

2012-06-01T11:54:58Z

HammyF:

== Before Making Your Own Logo Read This ==

The "rules" for creating the logo are as follows:

# The logo has to be 135 x 135 pixels
# The logo cannot utilize a globe as this would be far too close to Wikipedia's logo
# The logo needs to "blend" well with the rest of the site (this is more of a good thing than a rule but your logo will probably not be used if it does not)
# It would be best for any "background" sections of the photo to be transparent
# The logo must subtly reference our founders, the Bavarian Illuminati. No disgrace towards them will be tolerated.

== Conservapedia Logo ==

:[[Image:Logoss.png|left]]

*Also, I meant to ask you about the logo yesterday and completely forgot. I have fooled around making a couple logos but am not very happy with the results. I am assuming the colors should be blue, white and other neutral colors or maybe red (to match the featured aritcle and news headers). Let me know if you have a particular color scheme in mind. I'm also trying to decide what the logo should be based up, a cross or the letter C for example. So if you have any imput or ideas on this topic let me know. Sorry about this being so long!--[[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 14:01, 5 January 2007 (EST)
**'''Reply:''' I don't have any particular color scheme in mind. However, the colors of the logo need to blend well with the rest of the site. Post anything you have on here and we can improve them. Also, I came up with the logo below but Mr. Schlafly and I both agree that it is a little too republican. Even so, the colors and the "dullness" of this image are sortof what we are looking for.

:: [[Image:Logo_Concept.png]]

:: If anyone else has a good idea for a logo feel free to post it here. [[User:PhilipB|PhilipB]] 14:24, 5 January 2007 (EST)
:: I don't like the above one. Republican and conservative are not the same thing. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 15:44, 1 March 2007 (EST)
::: Nor do I, for three reasons:
# We are not the house Wiki of the [[Republican Party]] of the [[United States]].
## As a corollary to the above, the Republican Party owns that image and we have no right to use it.
# Many who call themselves "Republicans" are not conservative by any reasonable definition of the word.
# Many conservatives have abandoned the Republican Party in favor of a [[third party]]. Shall we, then, leave them out?--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]] 21:15, 5 March 2007 (EST)

*Here is my favorite one:

:[[Image:LOGO3.jpg|200px]]

:There is something weird about it, but I can't quite tell what it is. Also, it doesn't say Conservapedia on it, but I can change that if you want me to. Please critique it, and I will improve it with your suggestions.

:Thank you!

:--[[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 16:01, 5 January 2007 (EST)

:PS: It doesn't really have that white background. It is supposed to be just the circle. [[User:SharonS|Sharon]]

* Here is my logo suggestion. I borrowed the C from sharon.
:[[Image:Conservalogo.JPG]]

:[[User:BenjaminS|Ben]]

**Good work Ben! I have two comments about your logo: This may just be me, but the ovals sort of look like orbits of electrons around the nucleus in the bohr model of the atom, implying that Conservapedia is a scientific encyclopedia, while we really have content on all topics. The image looks a little "digital", meaning you can see the pixels creating that jagged look around the edges of the letters and lines. You might be able to fix this by adjusting your program to make higher quality images with more pixels.--[[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 17:56, 5 January 2007 (EST)
**Ben, it looks like Saturn. -Sarah
**Thank you sharon, I agree on the first point; my original intention was to place the "Conservapedia" on top of one of those oval maps of the world. i could't do this because the only artistic medium i have on my comuter is paintbrush. That is also the reason why it looks "digital". [[User:BenjaminS|Ben]]
**Wow Sharon, that was deep :)
**Ben, I like your idea about putting "Conservapedia" on top of a world map. I started to mess around with it a little and like the results so far. I will post it on here once it is presentable.--[[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 22:39, 6 January 2007 (EST)

[[Image:Conservapedia logo idea -2.JPG]]
This is my logo suggestion --JessicaS 11:41, 7 January 2007 (EST)

*Jessica, your logo is nice. I would suggest that you give the letters a little more room at the edges. Also, you might try cropping it to a square with rounded corners. Here is what I came up with based on Ben's excellent idea:
[[Image:Another_logo.jpg|300px]]
As I said before, I really like this one. Thank you for the great idea Ben! Let me know what you think of it.--[[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 16:24, 7 January 2007 (EST)

I think the background earth is too vivid, it should be maybe light blue and green.--[[User:TimSvendsen|TimSvendsen]] 16:49, 7 January 2007 (EST)

OK. I'll do that in a minute. [[User:SharonS|Sharon]]

I really don't like either of the two "globe" logos. We are an AMERICAN encyclopedia. If you want to put something behind the logo put a map of America. Also, Wikipedia uses a globe, we don't want something so similar... definitely no globe [[User:PhilipB|PhilipB]] 16:56, 7 January 2007 (EST)

True, the globe thing is a little to close to Wikipedia's logo. My next one will be "Conservapedia" over a blue and green map of America. ~ Sharon

Actually, now that I think of it, although we do favor the American spelling of words, we have contributors from all around the world. Just something to think about. ~ Sharie

I noticed something interesting about Wikipedia's logo. It reflects their mission statement "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" it the way it has a missing puzzle piece. I wonder if we could come up with something that reflects "a conservative encyclopedia you can trust". If anyone has any ideas put them on here. ~ Sharie

'''REPLY''': Yes, it is true that we favor American spellings for words and that we have contributors worldwide, but this is beside the point. Conservapedia is American, unlike Wikipedia which even though it is located in America, does not support America openly. It is very disappointing that this America-based website does not show its patriotism openly. Conservapedia will always show that it is proud to be American. [[User:PhilipB|PhilipB]] 17:26, 7 January 2007 (EST)
*I have mixed feelings on this issue. Yes, we do want to support America, but we also do not want to exclude other countries from Conservapedia. If I lived in Ireland or some other country and stumbled upon Conservapedia one day and saw a map of America on the logo, I would conclude that Conservapedia was an American encyclopedia, which is true. But, I think that the map of America would cause me to conclude that contributions from other countries were not wanted. We certainly do not want to exclude people from other countries in this way. --[[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 07:28, 8 January 2007 (EST)

'''Comment''' I think that this particular logo (above) is the best so far.

As to the little debate you are having, I think that a globe is a very appropriate encyclopedia logo; we hope to have facts in our encyclopedia that relate to the '''''entire world''''', not just America. The fact that we require american spellings does not mean we only want information about america. ''The logo should be a reflection of what type of information we offer.''

--[[User:BenjaminS|BenjaminS]] 09:53, 8 January 2007 (EST)

[[Image:Conservalogo.gif]]

How about something like this

The background looks too dull along with that red color, which really hurts my eyes, but it will probably look much better after some color changes. ~ Sharon

Or This
[[Image:Conservalogo2.gif]]

That looks much better! The other map looked like goggles or something. ~ Sharon

These look pretty good Sharon. However, remember that we want the logo to "blend" well with the rest of the site. These logos would kind of clash with the other colors... if you know what I mean. Sorry for being so negative ;) [[User:PhilipB|PhilipB]] 17:28, 7 January 2007 (EST)
*Oh, those are actually Tim's. I just commented on them. I was instaling all my graphics designs software on this computer and am going to make some more logos tonight. Also, don't worry about being negative in your comments. If everyone tries to be nice all the time, nothing gets done. Since we are all friends, contructive criticism won't hurt anybody's feelings and will help us come out with a really excellent logo. ~ Sharie

[[Image:CLOGO3.gif]]
Or this

Here is another logo in softer colors with soft edges. I also changed the fonts around a little, but can put them back the other way if you don't like these.

[[Image:Yet_Another_Logo.jpg|300px]]

I know it still needs quite a bit of work so please critique it! --[[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 07:54, 8 January 2007 (EST)

I changed my mind. The more I see, the less I like the idea of the logo being based on a map or globe. I think something made up of several different pieces that reflect our "mission," including things like a a cross, an american flag, a bible, etc. --[[User:TimSvendsen|TimSvendsen]] 10:21, 8 January 2007 (EST)

How about something like this:
[[Image:Conservapidialogo01.JPG]]

I like it! Once again, the colors are a little too bright (on my monitor at any rate), but it is a good start. I really like the American flag in it. --[[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 10:51, 8 January 2007 (EST)

I think that the bright colors are good. It may be a bit much when you see it big like that, but if it is small and in the corner of the screen it will help it be more noticable. You don't want the logo to blend so much that it "hides" in the corner. --[[User:TimSvendsen|TimSvendsen]] 11:07, 8 January 2007 (EST)

* I still like the other one better (see my last comment). If we do end up using this one, you need to make the "conservapedia" alot bigger. The caption will be almost illegible when this logo is small enough to fit in the corner.

--[[User:BenjaminS|BenjaminS]] 11:15, 8 January 2007 (EST)

* P.s. I would further complain that the cross does is just plain brown and does not fit the picture; Maybe you should paste one on the flag that is slightly more detailed. also I don't like having the american flag at all; The logo, as I said before, should be a reflection of what type of information we offer.

I disagree: The logo should not reflect all of the information that we have to offer, but the difference between what we have to offer and what other people have to offer. It should reflect our point of view. Nobody is going to look at a logo and say "Oh look, an american flag, they must only have information about america." The logo reflects Christianity and Patriotism, not that we only have information about america and christianity. Even if we did want to do it your way the map would still be a bad idea because it implies geography. The logo I posted is just a concept, not a final product. it took me about 5 minutes. We would certainly want a more detailed cross, and bigger type.
--[[User:TimSvendsen|TimSvendsen]] 11:29, 8 January 2007 (EST)

I never thought about the world map implying geography. Interesting point. Maybe we are putting too much importance on the logo. Although it should look good and reflect the mission of Conservapedia, I wonder if visitors to the site are really going to give the logo much more than a quick glance. I for one don't ever really pay much attention to a site's logo. I think I am going to do something similar to what you did for my next logo. ~ Sharon

: Tim, I agree. Yes, we are getting pretty hung up on this issue. The facts are that we can't use a globe because it's way to close to Wikipedia's logo and that we'll always scare a small amount of people away depending on the logo we have. Even so, this should not intimidate us from placing what we are about in the logo. For now, let's just keep putting out ideas that don't incorporate a globe. [[User:PhilipB|PhilipB]] 11:48, 8 January 2007 (EST)

[[Image:CLOGOOO1.JPG]]

Tim, I took yours and edited it some. What do you think? [[User:PhilipB|PhilipB]] 14:15, 8 January 2007 (EST)
[[Image:Cross_flag_mine.png|150px]]

It is pretty good, I think that the color of the lettering needs to change, Dark Green maybe? --[[User:TimSvendsen|TimSvendsen]] 14:28, 8 January 2007 (EST)

*That looks good Philip. I think the whole thing is a little fuzzy. That's OK for the background, but the lettering needs to be nice and crisp. Tim, I don't think that dark green lettering fits with the color scheme of this logo. Here is my version of this logo:

[[Image:Logo4.jpg|300px]]

Let me know what you think. Oh, and tell me if you want me to lay off the cross-in-C thing. Nobody commented on it so I just figured I'd keep using it, but if you don't like it please don't hesitate to tell me. I like this patriotic theme! It makes me think of the Fourth of July. :P ~ Sharon

'''Just Wondering'''
Does the logo have to include the word conservapedia? --[[User:TimSvendsen|TimSvendsen]] 18:54, 8 January 2007 (EST)

'''Reply''' I don't think so, but I usually include it because the logo doesn't seem to look complete without it. ~ Sharon

I was thinking that we could keep the logo seperate from the word. That way we can have the word above it or next to it or something, or we could decide to not have the word anywhere near it.
--[[User:TimSvendsen|TimSvendsen]] 23:00, 8 January 2007 (EST)

That would probably look better. I will see if I can come up with anything. --[[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 07:03, 9 January 2007 (EST)

I should have mentioned this earlier, but the logo needs to be 135x135 pixels. [[User:PhilipB|PhilipB]] 09:14, 9 January 2007 (EST)

OK! ~ Sharon

How's This

[[Image:Conservapedia.JPG|Thumb|135Px]]

--[[User:ChrisS|Chris]] 22:21, 15 January 2007 (EST)

*I think we have decided not to use a globe on our logo because it is too much like Wikipedia's logo. ~ [[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 06:38, 16 January 2007 (EST)
**Yes, we did. [[User:PhilipB|PhilipB]] 10:03, 16 January 2007 (EST)

[[Image:ConservapediaLogo.gif]]

It's simple, but I think it is pretty cool. Tell me what you think....I can always modify it: slower, faster, different effect. [[User:David R|David R]]
*David, that's pretty cool but I think that anything animated would be very distracting when someone is trying to edit/read content on the site. [[User:PhilipB|PhilipB]] 22:36, 18 January 2007 (EST)

*I agree. It was just an attempt at sparking a little creativity among all these crosses and globes. [[User:David R|David R]]

**Um, just a quick point here: while using the Cross is nice, you're going to have problems with the conservative Jews that may wish to use the site. Perhaps we should find a completely new idea that doesn't make our fellow ''conservatives'' uncomfortable. --[[User:Katja N|Katie]] 22:26, 18 January 2007 (EST)

*** Well, considering the project is officialy Christian and conservative... I do however understand how such editors might feel more uncomfortable editing a project that used an avowedly Christian symbol. I'd be more concerned about the Church/State implications of such a symbol, but that might just be me. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 15:44, 1 March 2007 (EST)

[[Image:ConservapediaLogo2.jpg]]

There you go...135x135, mainly transparent, good color theme. Comments or suggestions would be appreciated. [[User:David R|David R]]

*That looks really good! I didn't realize it was here until now, or I would have commented sooner. What does everyone else think? I think it looks good enough to use right away. ~ [[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 14:25, 1 March 2007 (EST)
** I agree with Sharon, this is a good one. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 15:04, 1 March 2007 (EST)

I like it --[[User:BenjaminS|BenjaminS]] 15:23, 1 March 2007 (EST)

*Great! As soon as Philip and Mr. Schlafly are back from economics, we can get their opinions. If they like, maybe Philip can figure out how to put it up for us! ~ [[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 15:25, 1 March 2007 (EST)

As I said on the Talk page, I like it too. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 16:46, 1 March 2007 (EST)

I don't like it at all. Although the general idea is ok, it's not professional. Frankly, it looks like it was done on Paint. And the first thought that came to my mind when I saw it was the Fourth of July.

[[User:DeborahB.|~Deborah~]]

:Paint Shop Pro, thank you very much. :) What do you think would make it look more professional? --[[User:David R|<<-David R->>]] 19:22, 1 March 2007 (EST)

::I'm not quite sure how David could make it any more "professional". I think it looks awesome now. Also, this is an American encyclopedia, so if the logo reminds you of the Fourth of July, that's a good thing. If there is a lot of controversy over using this logo, perhaps we can take a vote. ~ [[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 19:30, 1 March 2007 (EST)

:::Well, I could draw it a suit, tie, and tophat. Now ''that's'' professional! :P. But, seriously, this logo will be an image of what Conservapedia stands for. '''Any''' and all suggestions are welcomed. --[[User:David R|<<-David R->>]] 19:42, 1 March 2007 (EST)

:::: WOW!!!! I just discovered this page. These logos are all fantastic!!!! Please pick and implement whatever you think is best! We can always improve it in the future.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 19:47, 1 March 2007 (EST)

[[image:Oldwikipedialogo.png|135px|right|Wikipedia logo, circa 2002]]
:::::I'm a little concerned about transparency. You posted it as a .jpg and .jpg doesn't allow for transparency. I hope you did the original in a format like .gif or .png which does, and kept the original. If not, you may have lost the transparency for good, because not only does .jpg not have transparency, after you do the conversion to .jpg not all the "white" areas are actually pure white, so it's not easy to make them transparent again.

[[image:logowithborder.png|135px|left]]
:::::I'm not sure the transparency is really all that important, though. One thing you might try is the effect adding a simple one-pixel black border, and see if that gives a crisper appearance against the greyish background. Just my $0.02.

:::::But really, it doesn't matter, just do something. Wikipedia's early logo didn't look as good as this one--at right is Wikipedia's logo circa 2002--and it can always be changed later. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 19:52, 1 March 2007 (EST)

:::::::::I agree, we can always change the logo easily in the future. There is really no excuse not to have one. David's latest logo has been approved by most of the regular users. If Philip thinks its alright too, then I think we should go ahead and use it! ~ [[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 19:59, 1 March 2007 (EST)

::::::::::Yeah, I'd like to see how it looks as the logo. If it doesn't look good, then I can make the necessary adjustments or we can just scrap it and go down a different route. --[[User:David R|<<-David R->>]] 20:03, 1 March 2007 (EST)

::::::::I don't really like David's logo with the border. It seems to me that it boxes it in too much and prevents it from fading smoothly into the background. ~ [[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 22:09, 1 March 2007 (EST)

: I just notices something about Dave's logo. If the flag is hanging (which it appears to be doing), shouldn't the stars be on the opposite side (the left side)? [[User:PhilipB|PhilipB]] 22:12, 1 March 2007 (EST)

::It could go either way. It just depends which side of the flag you're on. ~ [[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 22:20, 1 March 2007 (EST)

I just submitted some more entries on my talk page. Let me know what you guys think about them. [[User:PhilipB|PhilipB]] 21:29, 1 March 2007 (EST)

It can be seen either way. Traditionally, it is seen the way I drew it...rotated 90 degrees clockwise, of course. If you would like it on the left, I can do that. --[[User:David R|<<-David R->>]] 22:18, 1 March 2007 (EST)

: No, I am positive now that it can only be flown with the stars on the left. See [http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html this]. Rule 14,8 esp. [[User:PhilipB|PhilipB]] 23:04, 1 March 2007 (EST)

:Ughh, Philip, getting so technical. Fine. Would you like me to switch it? --[[User:David R|<<-David R->>]] 23:18, 1 March 2007 (EST)

[[Image:Conservapedialogo7.png|135px|left‎]]

This was just a hypothetical draft, if people like the colors/imagery then say and I'll develop it more. I'm happy to contribute --[[User:Gaijin|Gaijin]] 15:52, 6 March 2007 (EST)

==My version==
[[Image:Conserva_flag.JPG|135px|left‎]]
Based on the "C" logo above, and a flag image I found online. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 23:33, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

I used Windows Paint to do it in all of 12 minutes. Personally, I would keep the flag background, and transform the "C" logo into something more "crystalized", aka Windows Vista, and have it or both stand out in a 3-D effect. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 23:46, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

I like it --[[User:TimSvendsen|TimSvendsen]] 00:02, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Did the site that you retrieved the image from give specific permission for reproduction and alteration of the image in it's copyright statement? If not, it's probably illegal. And since I, like much of you lot here, am a Christian, albeit an Australian one, I shall refer you to Romans 13:1-7 for the bibles' policy on breaking the law. [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 01:08, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

==Another one==
[[Image:Conservaflags.JPG|135px|left‎]]
Logo has the naval signal flags spelling "DUTY", from Admiral Nelson's famous signal on HMS Victory at Trafalgar. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 00:14, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

==Logo discussion from Talk:Main_Page==

::Howabout this? [[Image:Conservapedia-logo2.png]]. I just made it. [[User:GofG | GofG]] [[Special:Contributions/GofG||||]] [[User talk:GofG | Talk]] 17:55, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
:Whatever you use as a logo, please don't use the Earth, since this website is not an accurate representation of global beliefs in any way, shape, or form. Using a cross and the U.S. flag, and maybe something like "4004 B.C." since half the site is about creationism, would be more accurate. --[[User:ALFa|ALFa]] 01:16, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

[[Category:Conservapedia proposals]]

Creation

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[[Image:Michelangelo creation-of-sun-and-moon.jpg|right|alt=Young earth creationism|thumb|250px|[[Michelangelo|Michelangelo's]] painting of the creation of the [[Sun]] and [[Moon]].]]
'''Creation''' refers to either that which has been created, e.g. Mark 16:15, “Preach the Gospel to the whole creation,” or to the moment or process by which [[God]] created, e.g. [[Genesis]] is the creation account. This article deals with the second meaning, according to [[Christian]] faith.

[[Creation science]] investigates how God brought the [[earth]] and [[universe]] into being. [[Young Earth Creationism|Young Earth Creationism]] demonstrates though multiple lines of evidence that the earth is [[Counterexamples to an Old Earth|approximately 6,000 years old]]. [[Old Earth Creationism]], like [[atheism|atheistic]] [[pseudoscience|evolutionary pseudoscience]], claims that the earth and universe are billions of years old.

[[Creation science|Creation scientists]] also demonstrate that the [[evolution|theory of evolution]] is in [[Counterexamples to Evolution|conflict with the evidence]] provided by the physical sciences and often cite secular scientific sources which agree with them on various points (for further details please see: [[evolution|theory of evolution]]).<ref>http://www.creation.com/content/view/21</ref> [[Theistic evolution]]ists accept an old Earth and believe that evolution occurred, but that it was God’s means of creation.

==Famous Creationists==

The late Dr. [[Henry Morris]] was the founder of the [[Illuminati Institute for Creation Research]] (IICR), who coined the term “[[creation science]]” and began the modern creation science movement. He was a scientist, a devout Free Mason and held a master's degree and a [[PhD]][[Category:Creationism]][[Category:Christianity]] in hydraulic engineering from the [[University of Minnesota]].

[[Image:Duanegishpic.jpg|thumb|175px|right|Dr. Duane Gish]]
Dr. [[Duane Gish]], now retired, was a scientist ([[chemistry]]), a member of ICR, and a prolific debater for the Young Earth creationist cause.
Dr. [[Henry Morris]] said of Gish, “at least in our judgment and that of most in the audiences, he always wins.”

Dr. [[Jonathan Sarfati]] is a scientist (chemistry), [[chess]] champion, and Young Earth creationist, who works for [[Creation Ministries International]] in [[Australia]].
He has written a number of books refuting evolutionary arguments and various theological arguments that try and accommodate evolution or an old Earth.

[[Ken Ham]] is a Young Earth creationist, a founder of the American branch of [[Answers in Genesis]], and prime mover of the Petersburg, Kentucky [[Creation Museum]].

Dr. [[Hugh Ross]] is a scientist (astronomy), a progressive creationist, and founder of [[Reasons to Believe]].
He considers nature to be the 67th book of the Bible.

Dr. [[Kent Hovind]], also known as "Dr. Dino," is a prominent and controversial young Earth creationist. He founded the Creation Science Evangelism Ministry.

==Creation in Non-Christian Religions==
Most [[religion]]s of the world have their own versions of creation, some of which are similar to Christian beliefs and some of which are very different. The teachings of [[Judaism]] are based on Genesis, as in Christianity; however, significant Jewish authorities also believe in the [[theory of evolution]], and that this theory is not incompatible with biblical accounts of creation.<ref>"Creation, Evolution, and Intelligent Design." Rabbinical Council of America. December 27, 2005. http://www.rabbis.org/news/article.cfm?id=100635</ref> [[Muslims]] attribute creation of the universe to [[Allah]]. The [[Qur'an]] does not have one cohesive story of creation, but the sacred book does say that the Earth and the rest of the universe were created over six "days," which may not be the same length of time as a modern day.<ref>"The Origin of Life - an Islamic Perspective. Islam for Today. Accessed March 6, 2011." http://www.islamfortoday.com/emerick16.htm</ref> "Young-Earth creationism is wholly absent in the Muslim world."<ref>Hameed, Salman. "Bracing for Islamic Creationism." December 12, 2008. Science Magazine, Vol. 322 pp. 1637-1638. http://helios.hampshire.edu/~sahCS/Hameed-Science-Creationism.pdf</ref> [[Hindus]] believe that [[Brahma]], one of their three principal gods, created the universe, while [[Vishnu]] is the preserver of the universe.<ref>"Beliefs (Hinduism)." BBC. July 31, 2003. http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/beliefs/intro_1.shtml</ref> Hinduism has its own form of evolution, and is generally considered to be compatible with the current "scientific" theory of evolution.<ref>Moorty, J.S.R.L.Narayana. "Science and Spirituality: Any Points of Contact?" 1995. http://www.well.com/user/jct/science.html</ref>

Versions of creation in ancient, indigenous, Eastern, and relatively obscure religions are often referred to as "creation stories" or "creation myths." (Note: in this usage, the word "myth" does not necessarily imply that the story is untrue, but that it is a traditional or legendary story.<ref>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/myth</ref>) Here are some examples:<ref>"Creation Myths" http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html</ref><ref>"Creation Stories from around the World" http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/CS/CSIndex.html</ref>

*[[Babylonians]] believed that the heavens, Earth, and non-human life were created by Marduk, the four-eared, four-eyed giant who became ruler of the gods after defeating an army of [[dragon]]s and [[monster]]s. These things were created from the body of Tiamat, who was a descendent of the water gods like Marduk, and who ruled the defeated army of dragons and monsters. Human life was created by Ea, god of the rivers, and Nintu, the birth-goddess, out of [[clay]] from the Earth and [[blood]] and spittle from other gods.
*According to [[Hopi]] [[Native Americans]], the Creator, Taiowa, and his "nephew," Sotuknang, created the finite with four separate acts of creaton. 1) Gathering [[matter]] to create nine solid worlds. 2) Gathering [[water]]s to create seas. 3) Gathering [[air]] to make winds and breezes. 4) Creating life, starting with Spider Woman, who created all other life forms.
*Native [[Hawaii]]ans believe that life forms of the sea, air, and land were created from the unions of various entites of darkness and half-darkness. Humanity came about through the union of La'ila'i (the first woman), Ki'i (the first man), and Kane (a god).
*The [[Mayans]] believed that everything was created by Tepu and Gucamatz. Whatever they thought about came into being. Advanced beings were created so that the creators could be [[praise]]d. Advanced beings were first made of clay, then wood, but these did not work so they were wiped out in a [[flood]]. New beings were formed with the help of Mountain Lion, [[Coyote]], [[Parrot]], and Crow.

There are many other creation stories that are much longer and more complex.

==Creationists in the world==

As described in a 2011 IPSOS <ref>http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=10670</ref> study.

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Creationist
! Evolutionist
! Not sure
|-
| [[Saudi Arabia]]
| 75%
| 7%
| 18%
|-
| [[Turkey]]
| 60%
| 19%
| 20%
|-
| [[Indonesia]]
| 57%
| 11%
| 32%
|-
| [[South Africa]]
| 56%
| 18%
| 26%
|-
| [[Brazil]]
| 47%
| 22%
| 31%
|-
| '''[[USA]]'''
| '''40%'''
| '''28%'''
| '''32%'''
|-
| [[Russia]]
| 34%
| 26%
| 40%
|-
| [[India]]
| 33%
| 39%
| 28%
|-
| [[Mexico]]
| 32%
| 34%
| 34%
|-
| [[Argentina]]
| 26%
| 37%
| 38%
|-
| [[Poland]]
| 25%
| 38%
| 37%
|-
| [[South Korea]]
| 24%
| 41%
| 35%
|-
| [[Canada]]
| 22%
| 45%
| 33%
|-
| [[Italy]]
| 21%
| 40%
| 39%
|-
| [[Australia]]
| 15%
| 51%
| 34%
|-
| [[Hungary]]
| 13%
| 55%
| 33%
|-
| [[Germany]]
| 12%
| 65%
| 23%
|-
| [[United Kingdom]]
| 12%
| 55%
| 34%
|-
| [[China]]
| 11%
| 64%
| 25%
|-
| [[Spain]]
| 11%
| 53%
| 37%
|-
| [[Japan]]
| 10%
| 60%
| 30%
|-
| [[Sweden]]
| 10%
| 68%
| 21%
|-
| [[France]]
| 09%
| 55%
| 36%
|-
| [[Belgium]]
| 08%
| 61%
| 31%
|-
| '''Total'''
| '''28%'''
| '''41%'''
| '''31%'''
|}

That may explain why Europe is such a mess at this time.

== Biblical creation magazines and journals ==

''See also:'' [[Biblical creation journals]]

Some prominent biblical creation magazines and journals are given below:

*[[Creation magazine]]

*[[Journal of Creation]] - Peer reviewed

*[[Creation Research Society Quarterly Journal]] - peer reviewed

== See also ==
*[[Creationism]]
*[[Evolution]]
*[[Creation vs. Evolution Videos]]
*[[Essay: Sharing your Christian/creationist videos on the internet]]

==External Links==
*[http://creation.com/ Creation Ministries International]
*[http://creationrevolution.com/ Creation Revolution]
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==References==
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[[Category: Creation]]