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Talk:American History Lecture Twelve

2008-11-30T22:52:09Z

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This is laughable.

Where is the discussion of the [[Cuban Misslie Crisis]], one of the pivotal points of the Cold War?

"Hippies started protesting the Vietnam War". No, all sorts of people started protesting the Vietnam War: lawyers, accountants, college graduates, all sorts of people.

"A substantial percentage of our casualties in the Vietnam War were from stepping on land mines. That indicated a lack of smart leadership on our side. Today we have mine-sweepers to clear out dangerous areas before our soldiers enter them."

The US has had land mine clearance devices since World War II. A simple check of facts would have revealed this. [[User:Daphnea|Daphnea]] 22:03, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

==Voluntary draft?==

"the draft (it was required of young men then, but is voluntary today)," That doesn't make sense. There's no such thing as a voluntary draft. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 16:19, 30 November 2008 (EST)
:Thanks, Ed. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 16:24, 30 November 2008 (EST)

==Spelling==
"Some, your teacher include, think that the nation is perpetually becoming more conservative as liberal ideas are perpetually demonstrated to be failures." From the Post-WW2 culture section. Include should have a d at the end and perpetually is used twice. I'd fix it myself, but I'm not sure if we're allowed to fix the lectures. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 17:52, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Enlighten

2008-11-30T22:42:58Z

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To '''enlighten''' is to give intellectual or [[spiritual]] light to to someone.

[[Category:Dictionary]]

United States Pacific Command

2008-11-30T22:40:19Z

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The '''United States Pacific Command''' (USPACOM) is the military authority for all branches of the [[United States]] Armed Forces serving under its area of responsiblity. The USPACOM is headquartered in Honolulu, [[Hawaii]] and covers the area between the west coast of the U.S. and the easst coast of [[Africa]].<ref>[http://www.pacom.mil/about/pacom.shtml About PACOM]</ref>

The Commander of USPACOM reports operationally to the [[Secretary of Defense]] and the [[President of the United States|President]]. However, in the administrative chain of command, the USPACOM reports through the Chairman of the [[Joint Chiefs of Staff]]. The current Commander of USPACOM is Admiral [[Timothy J. Keating]].

==References==
<references/>

[[category:military]]

Fax machine

2008-11-30T22:39:19Z

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A '''fax machine''' is a device for sending paper messages through the telephone system. Some machines have a telephone handset for manual dialing and coordinating the sending and receiving of documents.

It is important for people in businesses that have to send a lot of documents to each other, very quickly. It is faster than mailing or shipping the documents. "Fax" is an abbreviation of "facsimile".

The machine scans a document and transmits the image scanned to the other machine which then prints. A fax is scanned at 200dpi. Faxes originally were black and white only but now there are some faxes capable of sending color.

The fax machine has been replaced to some degree by [[email]]. There are now available fax drivers which allow a document on a personal computer to be sent to a fax machine, and software that allows the PC to be used as a receiving fax.

Fax has the advantage of sending handwritten documents or sketches where an email system would have to have them scanned as attachments.

==References==
* http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/dictionary/definition/212098/fax.html#
* http://www.scantips.com/basics05.html

[[Category:Communication]]

Lazarus

2008-11-30T22:01:39Z

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'''Lazarus''' can refer to two different biblical characters.

*For the peasant in Jesus's parable about the rich man and the peasant, see [[Lazarus (Parable)]]
*For the brother of Mary Magdalene whom Jesus raised from the dead, see [[Lazarus (brother of Mary)]]

{{disambig}}

Talk:Welfare

2008-11-30T22:00:08Z

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==On the Reference==
Whoever added "Jackson" - needs to fully cite the source in a "references section". Just saying "Jackson, 2005" doesn't really explain anything - and therefore the reference is questionable.--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 15:45, 22 November 2007 (EST)

== Citations Needed ==
This entire article needs citations.
''Welfare has been growing...''
It's also too simple. It is no longer called Welfare, and the concept has changed dramatically since its inception. I'm giving anyone who wants to look at it 1 day. After that, I'm giving it the scrubbing of its life. [[User:JohnGalt|JohnGalt]] 17:33, 30 November 2007 (EST)

==Image==
Why's there a picture of a bank on an article about welfare? [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 17:00, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Buchan

2008-11-30T21:58:31Z

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'''Buchan''' is a district of north-east [[Aberdeenshire]], washed by the [[North Sea]] on its north and east coasts. It is a primarilly agricultural region, with fishing from its coasts; the two main towns, [[Fraserburgh]] and [[Peterhead]] are among [[Scotland]]'s pre-eminent fishing ports. Buchan is a flat and low-lying area, open to searingly cold winds. the highest point, Mormond Hill, is topped by an array of broadcasting masts. Buchan also boasts the most easterly point in Scotland, Buchan Ness, south of Peterhead. A dialect form of [[Scots]] known as [[Doric]] is widely spoken in the region.

[[Category:Scottish Counties and Regions]]

Talk:January 1st

2008-11-30T21:56:56Z

HDCase: New page: Article needs to be burned. Contentless except for the AFD. ~~~~

Article needs to be burned. Contentless except for the AFD. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 16:56, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Smooth endoplasmic reticulum

2008-11-30T21:39:40Z

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'''Smooth endoplasmic reticulum''' is [[Endoplasmic reticulum|ER]] that has no [[ribosomes]].<ref>Wile, Dr. Jay L. ''Exploring Creation With Biology''. Apologia
Educational Ministries, Inc. 1998</ref>

==See Also==
*[[Rough endoplasmic reticulum]]

==References==

<references/>

[[Category:Biology]]

Jonah (prophet)

2008-11-30T21:32:19Z

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'''Jonah''' is the [[prophet]] in the [[Jonah (Biblical book)|Book of Jonah]] in the [[Old Testament]] of the [[Bible]] who is famous for being swallowed by a great fish. He is also later mentioned in the [[Islamic]] [[Koran]].

== The story of Jonah ==

God orders Jonah to prophesy to the city of [[Nineveh]].<ref>{{hnb|Zondervan|2002}}, JNH 1:2</ref> Jonah despises the [[Assyrians]] and attempts to avoid God's command by going to Joppa and sailing to Tarshish, the opposite direction and as far to the west as he could go.<ref>{{hnb|Zondervan|2002}}, JNH 1:3-4</ref> A huge storm arises while Jonah is fleeing.<ref>{{hnb|Zondervan|2002}}, JNH 1:4-6</ref> The sailors realize this is no ordinary storm, cast lots, and learn that Jonah is to blame.<ref>{{hnb|Zondervan|2002}}, JHN 1:7</ref> Jonah admits he is the cause,<ref>{{hnb|Zondervan|2002}}, JNH 1:9-11</ref> and states that if he is thrown overboard, the storm will cease.<ref>{{hnb|Zondervan|2002}}, JHN 1:12</ref> The sailors try to find some other way to escape the storm, but eventually throw Jonah overboard; the seas are calmed,<ref>{{hnb|Zondervan|2002}}, JNH 1:15</ref> the sailors fear God and make sacrifices and vows to him.<ref>{{hnb|Zondervan|2002}}, JHN 1:16</ref>

The Lord has a great fish swallow Jonah. While Jonah is inside the fish, he prays to God admitting his sin. After 3 days and nights, God has the fish vomit Jonah out.<ref>{{hnb|Zondervan|2002}}, JHN 1:17 - 2:10</ref>

Eventually Jonah arrives at Nineveh and warns them of God's coming wrath. They repent and God has compassion on them. <ref>{{hnb|Zondervan|2002}}, JHN 3</ref> Jonah becomes angry that God would forgive Nineveh and not destroy them. God causes a vine to grow and shield Jonah from the hot sun, then the next day he has the vine perish so the sun beats upon Jonah again. Jonah is angry the vine and its shade are gone and tells God that he wishes to die. God reminds Jonah that he is concerned over a vine that he did not tend or cause to grow, so how much more should God be concerned about 120,000 people who 'do not know their right hand from their left'? <ref>{{hnb|Zondervan|2002}}, JHN 4</ref>

=== Jesus speaking on the story of Jonah ===

In both the Gospels of [[Matthew]] and the [[Gospel of Luke]], [[Jesus]] makes mention of the story of Jonah and applies the miracle of Jonah to his own coming miracle. {{cquote|MT 12:39 <nowiki>[Jesus]</nowiki> answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.<ref>{{hnb|Zondervan|2002}}, MT 12:39-41, see also MT 16:4, LK 11:29-32, </ref>}}

It is a common Christian understanding that the story of Jonah being in the belly of the fish is a prefiguring of the three days between the death and [[resurrection]] of Jesus Christ. <ref> http://www.answers.com/topic/typology-theology</ref> <ref> http://www.ctsfw.edu/library/files/pb/1253 </ref>

Some speculate that even though Jesus uses the story of Jonah to parallel His upcoming resurrection, that He still doesn't mean for the story of Jonah to be taken literally. <ref> http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/J/JONAH,+THE+BOOK+OF/ </ref>

=== Jewish thought on Jonah ===

Jewish thought of course does not tie in the story of Jonah to the life of Jesus, and has come up with other possible meanings. Some believe it is a [[Midrash]] <ref> http://www.myjewishlearning.com/texts/bible/TO_Prophets_1460/TOLiteraryProphets/MinorProphets/JonahSimon.htm </ref> and some even a [[satire]] <ref> http://seminary.csl.edu/facultypubs/TheologyandPractice/tabid/87/ctl/Details/mid/494/ItemID/40/Default.aspx </ref>.

According to some rabbinical traditions, the great fish that swallowed Jonah had been created in the beginning for the purpose of swallowing Jonah.<ref>{{hnb|Ref=CITEREFHirschBuddeSchechter2002|Hirsch, Budde, and Schechter|2002}}</ref>

=== Other thoughts ===

Some skeptics note that a whale can not swallow a human being, but of course the text never makes reference to the great fish being a whale.<ref>http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/whales/shore_whaling_industry.html</ref> Nevertheless, how Jonah would have survived the normal digestive process as it is understood for most creatures is a mystery. Perhaps it is, as Jesus alluded to, a miracle.

===Modern Usage===

The term 'Jonah' has come to mean an unlucky or jinxed person, especially among sailors.

==References==
<references/>
== Sources ==
*{{Harvard reference
| Surname = Archer
| Given = G.
| Year = 2006
| Title = Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties
| Publisher = Zondervan Publishing Company
| ID = ISBN 978-0310435709
}}
*{{Harvard reference
| Surname1 = Barker
| Given1 = Kenneth L.
| Surname2 = Kohlenberger
| Given2 = John R., III
| Year = 1999
| Title = NIV Bible Commentary
| Publisher = Zondervan Publishing Company
| ID = ISBN 978-0310578505
}}
*{{Harvard reference
| Surname1 = Hirsch
| Given1 = Emil G.
| Surname2 = Budde
| Given2 = Karl
| Surname3 = Schechter
| Given3 = Solomon
| Year = 2002
| Title = Jonah
| Publisher = JewishEncyclopedia.com
| URL = http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=388&letter=J
}} Retrieved on 2007-05-11
*{{Harvard reference
| Surname = Zondervan
| Year = 2002
| Title = Zondervan NIV Study Bible
| Publisher = Zondervan Publishing Company
| ID = ISBN 978-0310929550
}}

[[Category:Biblical Persons]]
[[Category:Jewish People]]

Talk:Blade Runner

2008-11-30T21:28:46Z

HDCase: New page: I was going to completely rewrite this, until I noticed that it was created today. So... this is the beginning of the draft I had going: "'''Blade Runner''' is a 1982 film staring [[Harris...

I was going to completely rewrite this, until I noticed that it was created today. So... this is the beginning of the draft I had going: "'''Blade Runner''' is a 1982 film staring [[Harrison Ford]]. The movie was based on the novel "[[Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep]]", by [[Philip K. Dick]]. The film is set in a [[dystopia|dystopian]] future where the Earth's environment has been heavily polluted." Any objections to putting that in the first bit? [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 16:28, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Talk:American History Lecture Twelve

2008-11-30T21:24:14Z

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Entertainment Tonight

2008-11-30T21:23:40Z

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'''''Entertainment Tonight''''' is a television show that reports trivial events that happen in the lives of [[celebrities]].

It has a spinoff, known as '''''ET Canada'''''. ET Canada, despite the name, reports only on [[America|American]] celebrities.
{{stub}}

==See Also==
*[[Essay:Liberal celebrity obsession]]

[[Category:Television Shows]]

Talk:American History Lecture Twelve

2008-11-30T21:19:07Z

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Heat death of the universe

2008-11-30T21:17:37Z

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According to [[secular]] physicists, the '''heat death of the universe''' is one possible scenario for the final fate of the [[universe]]. It speculates that, over time, all [[energy]] in the universe will eventually be converted to heat energy, which will then be spread more or less evenly over all space as entropy increases in accordance with the second law of [[thermodynamics]]. With all energy so widely distributed, the universe will revert to an extremely cold state, and nowhere will there be a sufficient concentration of energy to sustain any physical activity or movement.

[[category:Astronomy]]
[[category:Physics]]

Acquit

2008-11-30T19:49:12Z

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'''Acquitting''' is the act of freeing a person from the [[charge]] of an offense by means of a decision, [[verdict]] or other legal process; to discharge.<ref>http://www.nycourts.gov/lawlibraries/glossary.shtml</ref>

==References==

<references/>

[[category:law]]

Acquit

2008-11-30T19:48:58Z

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'''Acquitting''' the act of freeing a person from the [[charge]] of an offense by means of a decision, [[verdict]] or other legal process; to discharge.<ref>http://www.nycourts.gov/lawlibraries/glossary.shtml</ref>

==References==

<references/>

[[category:law]]

Talk:Liberal bigotry

2008-11-30T19:48:24Z

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Guess what HelpJazz is going to ask for? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 16:58, 13 November 2008 (EST)
:Yay! Citations! Do I get a cookie? [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 16:59, 13 November 2008 (EST)
::Good job! You can have your cookie after you <s>eat your vegetables</s> put in the citation. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 17:01, 13 November 2008 (EST)

==Examples==

Does this page need examples of bigotry? I'm not saying the current examples aren't good examples of bigotry (most of them are), but I can't help but think that most of these examples are not put up to give a clearer understanding of bigotry, but to make a political statement. --[[User:BenjaminS|Ben]] [[User Talk:BenjaminS|Talk]] 18:06, 13 November 2008 (EST)
:No, yet again, examples will never prove a point, especially when these examples are so fraught with opinion. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 18:12, 13 November 2008 (EST)
:: Examples will never prove a point? Examples are the basis of ''all argument''. They are fact. They are evidence. [[User:RodWeathers|RodWeathers]] 18:14, 13 November 2008 (EST)

:::What do you mean, examples have never proven a point? Can you give an example where they've ever failed? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 18:16, 13 November 2008 (EST)
::::Sorry, maybe I missed something, why was the violence against abortion clinics removed as an example with the reason "The evidence being compiled is ample" only to be replaced with another example. If it was deleted on accident, then let me know and Ill put it back in. Also, I might just be naive, but isn't saying all members of a single group are bigots, in fact, also bigotry? The only defining characteristic of Atheists is that they don't believe in God. Some of them may be bigots, but so are some Christians, Jews, and pagans. Using an atheist who is claiming "all religious people should be locked up" is a good example of bigotry. Saying all atheists are like that is wrong. If I am correct, then the into should be changed since it is attributing bigotry to all members of the listed groups. --[[User:ScottA|ScottA]] 18:35, 13 November 2008 (EST)
::::What I meant, Ed, was that he is trying to use exampes of bigotry to prove that all (or most) liberals are bigotted. It can't be done, unless he gives an example from all (or most) liberals. I don't know how many times I have said this across this wiki, but nobody seems to understand this point. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:52, 13 November 2008 (EST)
:::::You don't seem to understand the basis of statistics and representative data. It is utterly impossible to survey the entirety of a population in ''any study''. Instead, we have to rely on representative examples, the broader the better. This establishes an underlying culture and shared values. [[User:RodWeathers|RodWeathers]] 19:55, 13 November 2008 (EST)
::::::That's not actually a problem for me. What that tells me is that you need to find a study that someone has done of bigotry and liberalism (it's not too outlandish to think that someone might have done it already), or find some reliable definition of liberal, elitist, atheist and homosexual that includes bigotry as one of its major characteristics, or change the language of the statement to match something you can back up. ''Some'' liberals are bigots, but not all of them, and they aren't the only ones. Some conservatives are bigots, how many examples do you want me to find before I can add conservatives to the list of people defined by bigotry? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 20:02, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Never let it be said that I failed to understand a point. I was kind of pulling your leg with the 'example logic' above.

Apparently what is happening is that the two different sides are using selected examples to argue that the other side are the real bigots. Erasing each other's examples isn't going to remedy the situation. I suggest we try something else. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 19:59, 13 November 2008 (EST)
:Lol, sorry, Ed I missed your humor. I just spent waaaaaay too much time vetting the examples and I was a little tunnel visioned ;-) You are right, that examples can be used ''sometimes'', but they can't be used to prove all inclusive statements, like the one in the article. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 20:02, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Your comment above is most incisive; it cuts to the chase.
*''Some'' liberals are bigots, but not all of them, and they aren't the only ones. Some conservatives are bigots

Let's work together to expose bigotry of both left and right. I don't care which is "worse". Let's just be evenhanded about it. Underneath bigotry, perhaps there is truth waiting to be revealed. You'd have to be crazy to reject the truth - even if it "hurts" to learn it, it "will set you free". (John 8:32) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 20:06, 13 November 2008 (EST)

:That's reasonable. Feel free to divide it into sections of the bigotry and left and right if it suits you. (As if I'm in charge! :) ) [[User:RodWeathers|RodWeathers]] 20:11, 13 November 2008 (EST)

::Maybe that second section just needs to be deleted then? The examples are one-sided but there's nothing stopping it from being two-sided if more examples are added. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 20:13, 13 November 2008 (EST)

:::Better to expose bigotry than let it be cloaked in darkness. (I did not intend to make it 'one-sided' or anything of the sort. The vast majority of the examples were gleaned from the main page news) [[User:RodWeathers|RodWeathers]] 20:15, 13 November 2008 (EST)
::::You may not have intended the examples to be one-sided, but if you get your news from the main page you won't find a single example of conservative bigotry. By "second section", though, I meant the second paragraph. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 20:38, 13 November 2008 (EST)

How about two columns? I think there's a way to make a table with MediaWiki markup. I'll help make the table, if you all will do the heavy lifting of locating and describing the examples. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 20:42, 13 November 2008 (EST)
:I don't know if it's necessary. If our goal is to expose and denounce ''all'' bigotry, then putting it into "conservative bigotry" and "liberal bigotry" erodes our goal. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 21:00, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Is the purpose of this page really to expose bigotry? Personally, I think that an encyclopedia entry should give a clear understanding of the concept, but not go beyond that. If the page becomes a conduit to "exposing bigotry", then it will get to long very quickly. I suggest we leave the four best examples (perhaps two liberal and two conservative) and remove the rest --[[User:BenjaminS|Ben]] [[User Talk:BenjaminS|Talk]] 08:22, 14 November 2008 (EST)
:I agree again. Clear-cut examples of bigotry actually can do much more to support an article than 50 wishy-washy ones. When you start to read the current list, one gets the idea that bigotry is disagreeing with an ideology, but bigotry is more than that. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 12:30, 14 November 2008 (EST)
::''I suggest we leave the four best examples (perhaps two liberal and two conservative)'' Absolutely not - that sort of moral relativism is the worst sort of Liberal deceit-mongering. In what sense is it rational for Conservapedia to promote the pretence that Liberalism is as moral as Conservatism? This wasn't in the Commandments when I last looked. Post Liberal biogotries to Conservative bigotries in the proportions that they are manifested in real life. I guarantee that the Liberal list would break the page before we get half a dozen examples by so-called conservatives. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 12:45, 14 November 2008 (EST)
:::Shall we then leave the format as is? [[User:RodWeathers|RodWeathers]] 16:38, 14 November 2008 (EST)
::::The format being a long list of examples? I think everyone has agreed that we are fine with examples, as long as they are good and don't try to hide the truth.
::::Nobody has said anything about that second paragraph, though. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 16:50, 14 November 2008 (EST)

:'''Response to Bulger:''' Yes, as a general rule liberals are more bigoted than conservatives. However, you seem to have missed my point entirely. '''''This page should not be used to attck liberals. This is an encyclopedia.''''' It should merely explain what bigotry is, and provide a minimal number of good examples. Personally, I don't care whether we include examples of "conservative" bigotry. I only suggested that as a hopeful compromise. However, you are wrong to assert that that suggestion promoted "moral relativism". The Character of God, not "conservatism" is the one true standard of morality. Conservatives are not necessarily more moral than liberals. While I admit that some Liberal principles are contrary to God's word (and thus also his Character), it is not relativist to give examples of so-called conservatives deviating from God's moral standard. --[[User:BenjaminS|Ben]] [[User Talk:BenjaminS|Talk]] 17:08, 14 November 2008 (EST)

== Reversion ==
How are the slurs used by conservatives not bigotry, and how are abortion clinic bombings "liberal bias"? [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 12:55, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:Sorry, you called abortion clinic bombings "garbage." My mistake. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 13:07, 25 November 2008 (EST)
::It appears you prowl from article to article injecting liberal spin and making trouble. Could you at least ''try'' contributing factual information to this encyclopedia? Thanks. [[User:RodWeathers|- Rod Weathers]] 13:21, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:::Were his edits non-factual? [[User:LiamG|LiamG]] 13:23, 25 November 2008 (EST)
::::His edits have been POV slurs against Conservatives, and general pointless troublemaking in talk pages. [[User:RodWeathers|- Rod Weathers]] 13:25, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:::::Tell me where my edits are incorrect and I will fix them. I'd recommend starting with [[Tom Lehrer]], the [[Front de libération du Québec]], [[Spear of Destiny]] and [[Glitch (music)]], as those are all articles I've written or rewritten entirely. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 20:17, 29 November 2008 (EST)

I think the example of the abortion clinic bombings is not a very good example of bigotry. You can't really judge the motives of the perpetrators of any of these examples with 100% certainty, but it seems to me that bombing an abortion clinic would probably be a misguided attempt to save innocent lives-- not an example of true bigotry. --[[User:BenjaminS|Ben]] [[User Talk:BenjaminS|Talk]] 23:28, 25 November 2008 (EST)

==Liberal "attacks" on pregnancy centers==
I think this should be rephrased-- it's misleading. It makes it sound as if these are violent attacks, rather than attempts to get legislation passed to ban CPCs. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 14:48, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Gene(sis)

2008-11-30T02:10:28Z

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'''Genesis''' or '''Gene(sis)''' is the name of a transgenic [[art]]work by Eduardo Kac.<ref>http://www.ekac.org/</ref>

==What it is==

The artwork involved implanting a new [[DNA]] sequence into [[bacteria]] and then mutating it.

==How it was done==

To complete the artwork, Kac took the biblical quote "Let man have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moves upon the earth." -[[Genesis]] 1:26 and converted it into Morse code. He then translated that Morse code into a DNA sequence.

- = T, . = C, word space = A, letter space = G

The quote was chosen specifically by Kac because it to him represented mankind's "divinely sanctioned" right to manipulate the nature of the planet.

After incorporating this new genetic sequence into the bacteria Kac placed the bacteria on display under a UV lamp. Viewers of the artwork (especially those that disagreed with the notion that mankind had the divine right to manipulate nature) were invited to turn on the lap, thereby mutating the gene and changing the message.

Giving the viewers the ability to change the biblical message was also chosen as a symbolic part of the artwork, representing a rejection of the passage as inherited in favor of a more favorable interpretation.<ref>http://www.ekac.org/geninfo2.html</ref>

==Final product==
The end result of the artwork, after mutation, was translated back into English resulting in a new phrase.

"Let aan have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl
of the air and over every living thing that ioves ua eon the earth."

==References==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Art]]
[[Category:Biology]]

Talk:2008 U.S. presidential election analysis

2008-11-30T02:08:22Z

HDCase: New page: Future tense, my immortal foe! Curse you! Anyway. I think this article needs to be entirely rewritten, given that we're using future tense to describe an event that happened 25 days ago a...

Future tense, my immortal foe! Curse you!

Anyway. I think this article needs to be entirely rewritten, given that we're using future tense to describe an event that happened 25 days ago as of this edit. Is there any set procedure for this sort of thing? [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 21:08, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Cured

2008-11-30T01:56:46Z

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#REDIRECT [[Curing]]

Legislative Session

2008-11-30T01:56:06Z

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#REDIRECT [[Legislative session]]

Legislative Session

2008-11-30T01:55:03Z

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Hubert Humphrey

2008-11-30T01:53:12Z

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{{President
|image=Hubert humphrey.jpg
|seq=38
|office=vice
|term_start=20 January 1965
|term_end=20 January 1969
|party=Democratic
|pres=Lyndon B. Johnson
|previous=Lyndon B. Johnson
|next=Spiro Agnew
|birth_date=May 27, 1911
|birth_place=Wallace, South Dakota
|death_date=January 13, 1978
|death_place=Waverly, Minnesota
|spouse=Muriel Buck Humphrey
|spouse2=
|religion=United Church of Christ/United Methodist
}}

'''Hubert H. Humphrey''' (1911 - 1978) was [[Vice President]] under [[Lyndon Johnson]] from 1965 to 1969. When Johnson decided not to even run in the [[1968 election]], he decided to enter the race (after [[Robert Kennedy]] was shot.) He lost to Republican candidate and former Vice President, [[Richard Nixon]]. He was in the [[Senate]] after being Vice President from 1970 to 1976. <ref> [[Fandex]], Workman Publishing, 2002. </ref>

==Notes & References==
<references/>

{{USVicePresidents}}
{{DEFAULTSORT:Humphrey, Hubert H.}}

[[Category:Democratic Party]]

Strategic Petroleum Reserve

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'''Strategic Petroleum Reserves''' (SPR) are [[petroleum]] reserves (stocks) maintained by the Federal Government for use during periods of major supply interruption.
[[category:energy]]

Royal Jordanian Airforce

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== Royal Jordanian Airforce ==
The '''Royal Jordanian Airforce''' is the air ambrella for all the Jordanian military, it's main role is to protect land forces and keep control over the airspace of the kingdom.

== Aircraft Used ==
The RJAF uses fighters from the west, in the early days RJAF used british built Hawker Hunters. In modern days the RJAF uses, mainly American fighter jets like the [[F-16]] and French built Mirages.
here are some of the fighters currently in use

*[[F-16]] Fighting falcon (58) MLU and ADF types
*[[Mirage F1]] C/E
*[[F-5]] Tiger II E/f (Used for training)
*[[CASA C-101 Aviojet]] (Used for training)

== Helicopters ==

*[[Bell AH-1 Cobra]]
*[[Eurocopter Cougar]]
*[[Kamov Ka-226|Kamov Ka-226 Hoodlum]]
*[[UH-60 Blackhawk]]

== External links ==

*[http://www.rjaf.gov.jo/ Official Site of the Royal Jordanian Air Force]

[[Category:Asia]]
[[Category:Military]]

Fanfare for the Common Man

2008-11-30T01:33:53Z

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'''Fanfare for the Common Man''' is a piece by [[America|American]] composer [[Aaron Copland]]. It is widely considered to be one of the most recognizable pieces of 20th century [[America|American]] [[classical music]]. The work was written in 1942 for the [[Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra]] under conductor Eugène Goossens.

It was premiered on 12 March 1943.

The title of the piece was referred to by Goosens as "as original as its music."

[[category:Music]]

Interbreed

2008-11-30T01:27:18Z

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'''Interbreeding ''' occurs when two nonhuman animals, or plants of two different species produce offspring.<ref>The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition: [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/interbreeding"Interbreeding"]</ref> Examples of these offspring include common animals such as the [[mule]] and more obscure animals like the [[wholphin]].

==References==
<references/>

[[category:genetics]]

United Way

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{{move|United Way}}
The '''United Way''' is a national [[organization]] whose goal is to create [[change]] for the common good.
[[Category:Organizations]]

Gliders

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'''Gliders''' or '''sailplanes''' are [[aircraft]] that do not have motors for propulsion, they use updrafts of warmer air to provide lift or the air moving over a physical barrier , such as a range of mountains. The glide ratio is the distance traveled horizontally divided by the distance traveled vertically. Gliders may have glide ratios of 30:1 or better.

A glider has similar controls to a conventional aircraft but instead of flaps it has spoilers. Flaps alter the geometry of the wing to provide greater lift while spoilers interrupt airflow over the wing to reduce lift. Spoilers do not alter the attitude of the aircraft, they simply steepen the glide angle.

Gliders are launched by winch or by towing behind a powered aircraft. There are a few gliders that have engines, so they can be self-launched or fly under power to the destination if conditions for gliding are not good.

Gliders were used in World War II to deliver troops to a battlefield. These gliders were towed behind other aircraft until released to glide to their destination.

The Blanik glider is a two seat trainer with a forward swept wing. The pilot flies from the front seat with the passenger or instructor in the rear.
The schliecher sailplanes such as the ASW-24 are examples of high performance gliders.

==References==
* [http://www.let.cz/index.php?sec=72&selected=0&other_text=1&ndps=Technical+data&letadlo_id=18 Blanik Trainer]
* [http://www.sailplanedirectory.com/schleich.htm#ASH-25 Schliecher sailplanes]

[[category:aviation]]

Home team

2008-11-30T01:24:33Z

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[[Image:Baseball Ball bw.jpg|left|120px]]
{{Move|Home team}}
'''Home team''': The team on whose field the game is played. If the game is played on neutral grounds, the home team shall be designated by mutual agreement so that certain conventions, such as the home team batting second in [[baseball]], can apply.

 
 
== See also ==
*[[Baseball]]
*[[Major League Baseball]]

== External links ==
*[http://mlb.mlb.com/index.jsp The Official Site of Major League Baseball]
*[http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/index.jsp Minor League Baseball]
*[http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/features/alumni/article.jsp?article=history BASEBALL HISTORY] Major League Baseball Players Alumni Association.
*[http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/features/alumni/stats.jsp Stats]
*[http://web.baseballhalloffame.org/index.jsp Hall of Fame] National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum, Inc.

== References ==
*[http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/baseball/beginners/glossary.html Baseball Glossary] WETA.
*[http://www.nocryinginbaseball.com/glossary/glossary.html Baseball Glossary OF TERMS]
*[http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/pitch_glossary.shtml Pitching Glossary]
*[http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/bat_glossary.shtml Batting Glossary]

[[Category:Baseball]]

Star Wars

2008-11-30T01:20:26Z

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[[Image:462px-Star wars dvd cover.jpg|right|thumb|Cover of the 2004 [[DVD]] widescreen release of Star Wars Trilogy.]]
:''Note: This article deals with the science fiction saga, not the American [[Strategic Defense Initiative]] (SDI).''

'''Star Wars''' is a [[science fiction]] film saga and fictional universe created by American director [[George Lucas]]. The original ''Star Wars'' movie (Episode IV) came out on May 25th, 1977. The earlier set of ''Star Wars'' movies (''Episodes IV, V, and VI'') are renowned as classics of cinema, and were some of the first "summer blockbusters" ever made. Episodes I, II and III were released in 1999, 2002 and 2005 respectively. All six movies are amongst the top 50 highest grossing films of all time.<ref>http://imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross</ref>
In 1984 and 1985, two spinoff movies to the original trilogy (Episode IV, V, and VI) were made featuring the Ewok characters seen in ''Episode VI: Return of the Jedi''. An animated film called ''Star Wars: The Clone Wars'' was released in 2008.

== Films ==
*''[[Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace]]''
*''[[Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones]]''
*''[[Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith]]''
*''[[Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope]]''
*''[[Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back]]''
*''[[Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi]]''

==Development of the Monomyth==

[[George Lucas]] built on the idea of the [[monomyth]] - a dominant mythic structure that resounds strongly with the human psyche - in structuring his narrative. He consulted closely with [[Joseph Campbell]], author of the book, "Hero of a Thousand Faces," in his utilizing of the [[monomyth]] structure for the movie. In ''Star Wars'' (now known as Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope), the reluctant hero is [[Luke Skywalker]], the teacher [[Obi-Wan Kenobi]], and the archetype villain [[Darth Vader]].

==Fan Films==
There have been many short films created by Star Wars Fans. One major website is www.fanfilms.com; which contains many fanfilms including TROOPS, The Essense of The Force, The Jedi Hunter, the Pink Five trilogy, Revelations, and Ryan Vs. Dorkman 1 and 2. One major high-quality fan based movie is I.M.P.S: The Relentless; which can be found at www.impstherelentless.com, and is the first chapter of a future full-length, chapter-based movie based on the Imperial Starship Relentless and her crew.

==Expanded Universe==
Since the success of the film [[franchise]], Lucasfilm has licensed a number of novels, comic books, and video games that take place in the Star Wars universe, otherwise known as the Expanded Universe (EU). Hundreds of novels and comics and dozens of video games have been, and continue to be produced. Although these spin-off media often take place before, after or inbetween the films, some take place in "alternate realities." A major focus of the EU is to feature characters not on-screen or only briefly shown in the films. All officially licensed works are considered canon, except in places where they contradict the films. There are also two cartoon series and three TV movies, two about the Ewoks and the Star Wars Holiday Special, which represented a secularized version of [[Christmas]] known as "Life Day." The last has been disowned by Lucas--not for any particular religious reason.

Of note is [[Star Wars: The Clone Wars]], the only part of the Expanded Universe to reach the big screen.

==Miscellaneous==

''Star Wars'' became forever linked to politics when a [[Strategic Defense Initiative|missile-defense plan]], devised under the Reagan administration, was nicknamed Star Wars. Attempts to bring back such a system are still referred to by this name.

== See also ==

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Star Wars| ]]

Talk:Liberal bigotry

2008-11-30T01:17:45Z

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Talk:War on Christmas

2008-11-25T20:44:52Z

HDCase:

I think I don't understand the war on Christmas. "Holidays" literally means "holy days". Is there something wrong with acknowledging that other people are celebrating what they think are holy days? This has always confused me. Is there a way to better explain this in the article? [[User:LiamG|LiamG]] 15:21, 25 November 2008 (EST)

:Hi Liam, that's a valid question. The difficulty is that, like a door-to-door salesman with his foot in the door, it is not so simple to walk it back. Once we stop seeing Christmas as a celebration of the birth of our savior, we begin the process of eliminating Him from our conscience precisely at the time we are meant to reflect on his presence. Here's a little thought experiment. Imagine if tomorrow we began stopped calling chlorine, chlorine and instead called it "strawberry." Some people, not all, have fairly positive associations with the word strawberry, they like the flavor, the berries are cute, etc. I'm being a little silly here, but the truth of the matter is, some people might in error actually consume bleach. They might see the container sitting there and literally think it is full of strawberries and drink some. I think anyone can see the danger in that. Like changing the name of chlorine to strawberry, when we change the name of Christmas to Holiday, we deny people the inherent implication that the day belongs to Christ. And for some, not all, we have allowed them another opportunity not to come to God and find salvation. In the end, we may actually being damning people to hell. And if even one person is at risk for an eternity of torment, I think anyone can agree that we need to protect them from that possibility. Respectfully, [[User:BradJohnson|BradJohnson]] 15:43, 25 November 2008 (EST)
::Wasn't Christmas originally a Pagan celebration of the Winter Solstice? [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 15:44, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Returns to scale

2008-11-25T20:39:36Z

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'''Returns to scale''' are the increase in percent output due to an increase in all the inputs. If output has a percent increase greater than inputs, then there is [[increasing returns to scale]]; if output has a percent increase less than the percent increase by inputs, then there is [[decreasing returns to scale]].

[[Category:Economics]]

Canons of ethics

2008-11-25T20:38:05Z

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The '''canons of ethics''' are standards of ethical conduct for [[attorney]]s.

[[Category:Legal Terms]]

Talk:Essay:Ex-gay

2008-11-25T20:37:28Z

HDCase:

Did you just go from saying "Penguins were never homosexual and it wouldn't matter if they were" to "They were homosexual and now they're straight therefore gay humans can change"? [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 15:35, 25 November 2008 (EST)

:words. mouth. [[unsigned|Ed Poor]]
::... what? [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 15:37, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Talk:Essay:Ex-gay

2008-11-25T20:35:56Z

HDCase: New page: Did you just go from saying "Penguins were never homosexual and it wouldn't matter if they were" to "They were homosexual and now they're straight therefore gay humans can change"? ~~~~

Burden of proof

2008-11-25T20:33:16Z

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The '''burden of proof''' is the responsibility of proving a point which is at issue between contending parties, as in a [[lawsuit]]. This is in contrast to a [[debate]], in which each party must support his contentions.

In certain types of a dispute the ''[[status quo]]'' is often accepted as the norm, and defenders of the norm need not prove that it is true. Challengers to the norm have the burden of proof.

In polite debate, the person making an assertion carries the burden of proof - after all, no debate can begin unless the person provides ground for debate. Without evidence provided, an assertion can generally be rejected out of hand.

In some forums, the burden of proof is reversed, and an assertion is allowed to stand unless disproof is offered. Complaints against this sort of thing in jurisprudence led to the American standard of "[[innocent until proven guilty]]."

See [[standard of proof]].

[[Category:Legal Terms]]

Clever

2008-11-25T20:31:42Z

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To be '''clever''' is to be mentally quick and resourceful.

[[Category:Communication]]

Hepatitis B virus

2008-11-25T20:30:42Z

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{{merge|Hepatitis B}}

The '''Hepatitis B virus''' (HBV) is a [[DNA]] [[virus]] of the [[Hepadnavirus]] family. Approximately 350 million people worldwide (including 1.2 million in the [[U.S.]]) are infected, with about 1 million people per year dying of HBV-related [[liver]] [[disease]]. It is a major cause of [[hepatocellular carcinoma]] (liver cancer) and [[cirrhosis]].
A safe and effective [[Hepatitis B vaccine|vaccine]] is widely available to prevent HBV infection.

==References==
<references/>
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/

[[Category:Diseases]]

War on Christmas

2008-11-25T20:19:02Z

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The '''War on Christmas''' refers specifically to the controversy surrounding the celebration or acknowledgment of the [[Christmas]] [[holiday]] in government, media, advertising and other [[atheist| secular]] environments. Modern-day controversy occurs around the world, and stems from the holiday's significant annual role in celebrating cultural values in Western society. The term "War on Christmas" is often used to address the controversy. [[Atheists]] started the War on Christmas, often feigning concern for the sensitivities of Jews and other religious groups who do not celebrate Christmas, knowing people sympathize with Jews, but rarely ever with atheists. This is typical of the selfishness of atheism.

==As Part of the Culture Wars==

[[Culture War]] is a term used to describe the swaying of what is acceptable in a society between culturally conservative and [[liberal]]. To that end, the War on Christmas is a major skirmish in that war. Each year, more and more secular progressives work to eradicate the right of major retailers to say "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Christmas" in favor of the more benign, and ultimately godless "Happy Holidays." When the retailer gives in, they are less likely to begin using the older terms again, and, in order to save money and time, will simply acquiesce to the will of the liberal protesters, saying "Happy Holidays" from that time on.

Conservatives argue that this is a form of censorship by the [[liberal]] minority in society, tasked with the purpose of removing even the smallest mention of the Christmas Holiday. An obvious danger for conservatives is the notion that such an issue will become a [[slippery slope]]. Once the issue is removed from public discourse, the next removal becomes that much easier.

==Denial==

As is common, individuals with a tendency toward [[liberal]] ideologies will not see the War on Christmas as real, and may even deny that there is such a controversy.

[[category:Liberalism]]

War on Christmas

2008-11-25T20:18:25Z

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Talk:Roy and Silo

2008-11-25T20:13:57Z

HDCase:

The notion that homosexuality is seen in the wild may be contrasted with the apparently homosexual behavior of some animals in captivity. This must be distinguished from the argument that whatever animals do is "natural" and therefore normal for human beings.

Please rewrite the article to reflect this. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 12:32, 25 November 2008 (EST)

:Personally, I think this is an unnecessary article. -[[User:DrSandstone|DrSandstone]] 12:33, 25 November 2008 (EST)
::I am agree that apparent homosexual behavior in animal is used as an excuse to justify homosexuality in humans, This need to be mentioned. --[[User:NicholasM|NicholasM]] 12:41, 25 November 2008 (EST)

This highly misleading entry is going to be deleted unless it is completely changed to emphasize and reflect:
*the politicization of this issue
*the absence in the animal kingdom of any display of the homosexual lifestyle
*the rarity of even homosexual acts among animals
--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 12:52, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:Homosexual and lesbian acts are frequent among bonobos. I think scientists can reasonably claim that bonobos have a bisexual lifestyle. [[User:StanleyJ|StanleyJ]] 13:06, 25 November 2008 (EST)
::Ok, please give me a few minutes. I will try to address the issue. --[[User:NicholasM|NicholasM]] 12:54, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:::Isn't point two exactly opposite of the entire article...? [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 12:54, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Several here are either clueless about the very promiscuous homosexual lifestyle, or are aware of it and seek to mislead others. We're going to remain factual here and will not post deceptive information for the [[gay agenda]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 13:10, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Bonobos are also sexually very promiscuous. [[User:StanleyJ|StanleyJ]] 13:13, 25 November 2008 (EST)

::::Regarding point two, the sources I have claim there are cases of homosexual behavior among animals. As HDCase pointed, it is opposite to the article also. I have no good source instantly available to mention that homosexuality is rare among animals. Off course it should be mentioned if a source can be found. But I have added the information to make it clear that zoologists politicize events like this by making attempt to justify homosexuality among humans. It is mentioned in the New York Times article. I wish collaboration of other editors to find sources so that the missing points can be mentioned. --[[User:NicholasM|NicholasM]] 13:15, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Please listen to the editor in chief, guys. I don't want to spend an hour helping you with this article, only to have it deleted. What we need to do is:
#Gather the facts
#Gather the claims that have been made about the facts
#Report and analyze the arguments about these

Clearly liberals and conservatives disagree on this. Let's bring out the '''reasons''' for the disagreement. No one is arguing whether cows ever mount each other. The argument is over whether this is a "homosexual act" and more importantly over whether this has any relevance to human behavior.

Perhaps it would help if we addressed the materialism vs. creationism aspect of the debate? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 13:36, 25 November 2008 (EST)

:To address point #2 made by Aschlalfly we need to know what we mean by [[homosexual lifestyle]], because he is apparently talking about more than just homosexual acts. Perhaps we should have an article on that? [[User:AlbertW|AlbertW]] 13:38, 25 November 2008 (EST)

:: The term "lifestyle" is clear enough. Use a dictionary if you're not familiar with it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 13:41, 25 November 2008 (EST)

:::I see Ed Poor has written an article on the subject. Good job. Yes, it is now clear that animals do not display the homosexual lifestyle. [[User:AlbertW|AlbertW]] 13:58, 25 November 2008 (EST)

::::I see no reason even for anti-homosexuals to be offended or threatened by the notion that animals may exhibit homosexual behavior. Since when is behavior among animals reason to recommend it for humans? Bonobos may fling fecal matter as well, but that does not ''necessarily'' lend credibility to the [[feces flinging agenda]]. [[User:Fishal|Fishal]] 14:47, 25 November 2008 (EST)

:::::Sorry, but I seriously doubt your facetious comments amuse anyone here. If you can't contribute intelligently perhaps you'd be better off a Wikipedia, where such childishness is encouraged. [[User:AlbertW|AlbertW]] 14:52, 25 November 2008 (EST)

:::::They're threatened because if it occurs in nature, they can't say that it doesn't occur in nature. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 15:13, 25 November 2008 (EST)

==Need==
Not to belabor the point, but I don't really see this article being ''encyclopedic'' enough to warrant all of this work going into it. An article specifically about ''two'' "gay" penguins? I once again suggest deleting this article. -[[User:DrSandstone|DrSandstone]] 14:03, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Absorbent packing

2008-11-25T20:11:10Z

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{{move|Absorbent packing}}

'''Absorbent packing''' is material within a package which absorbs [[liquid]]s from product. For example, pad in meat trays is made from [[paper]] and has a [[plastic]] liner.

==References==
[http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Help/glossary-A/index.asp USDA Index]

[[Category:Food Terms]]

Talk:Democracy and socialism

2008-11-25T20:10:36Z

HDCase:

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Ed, didn't we /just/ go over this? Democracy and socialism are not mutually exclusive and socialism is not a synonym for communism. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 13:05, 25 November 2008 (EST)

:I didn't finish, and nothing I've said suggests they are mutually exclusive although I have emphasized the distinctions so far. Socialism is indeed a synonym for communism - as used in communist countries anyway.

:Perhaps you'd like to help create a comprehensive view of the world's political and economic systems, so our readers can understand all the major variations of democracy vs. dictatorship and free markets vs. centrally planned economies. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 13:10, 25 November 2008 (EST)

::While I do not believe that I have the skill or time to create a comprehensive view and history of each political and economic system, I'd certainly be willing to help create articles to that extent. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 15:10, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Talk:Economic planning

2008-11-25T18:12:31Z

HDCase:

I haven't read the entire article yet, but is it trying to say that democracies "plan" their economies the same way socialist countries do? That there's no difference? And that therefore conservatives should not criticize socialism for its [[central planning]]?

A major difference between democracy and socialism is the [[free market]] principle which allows buyers and sellers to agree on price without government interference. If I want to work for less money than Joey, and you think I can do just as good a job, the government shouldn't stop me (or you) from letting me work for you.
:Not quite sure what you're getting at, but I think you're confusing socialism with communism. Democracy in socialism are not mutually exclusive, for one. For two, a socialist economy is a [[mixed economy]], not a centrally planned economy. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 12:53, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:::* What difference do you feel I am overlooking. Be specific. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 12:58, 25 November 2008 (EST)
::::Communism is a centrally planned economy, Capitalism is a free market economy, and Socialism is a mix between the two. And that you talk about the "difference between democracy and socialism" despite the two not being mutually exclusive. And that Socialism doesn't have straight-out wage equalization. Probably a few more. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 13:01, 25 November 2008 (EST)
::Sorry everyone, I didn't see the talk edits when I moved the article. Should the talk page get moved too? [[User:LiamG|LiamG]] 12:56, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Wikipedia lists among 5 variants of socialism:
*Public Enterprise Centrally Planned Economy in which all property is owned by the State and all key economic decisions are made centrally by the State, e.g. the former Soviet Union.

Is this a mix-up in terms, or do you know something I don't? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 13:03, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:I think it's a mix-up in terms. You've chosen the most extreme version, which can itself barely be called socialism. I've been going with the system of the country I live in, which is Canada. A parliamentary democracy and constitutional monarchy with a socialist economy. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 13:12, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Battle of Hastings

2008-11-25T18:09:36Z

HDCase:

[[Image:Battle_of_Hastings.gif|thumb|450px|Map of the Battle of Hastings]]

The '''Battle of Hastings''' was fought on October 14, [[1066]], between [[William the Conqueror]], Duke of [[Normandy]] and [[Harold Godwinson]], Earl of [[Wessex]]. The issue of succession to the [[England|English]] throne provided the basis for the battle, with King [[Edward the Confessor]] dying without heirs. Both William and Harold claimed the English throne, the eventual result being the invasion of England by William to assert his claim. This battle is considered pivotal in the reconstruction of British rule, and is believed by some scholars to have led to the eventual conquest of [[Ireland]].

The battle ended with victory for the Normans due largely to the poor discipline of the Anglo-Saxon militia (known as the fjord) that formed a large part of Harold's army. The Anglo-Saxon army had also been weakened due to fighting with a Norwegian invasion led by Harald Hardrada before encountering the Norman army, as well as the difficult march from the north of England (where the Norwegians attacked) to the south of England (site of the Norman landings). The battle led to the founding of a French speaking dynasty and aristocracy in England. The numbering of English monarchs begins with the Conquest brought about by the Battle of Hastings. The battle is portrayed in the famous "[[Bayeux Tapestry]]".

[[Image:hastings-map.gif|600px]]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Hastings, Battle of}}

[[Category:Battles]]
[[Category:French History]]
[[Category:English History]]

Talk:Democracy and socialism

2008-11-25T18:09:08Z

HDCase:

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Ed, didn't we /just/ go over this? Democracy and socialism are not mutually exclusive and socialism is not a synonym for communism. [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 13:05, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Dude. Socialism is /not/ a political system. Socialism is not Marxism, either. What's so hard to grasp? [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 13:09, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Talk:Liberal bigotry

2008-11-25T18:07:24Z

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