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Young mass murderers

2011-01-10T01:46:47Z

GDurkin:

Recent increases in tragic mass-murders perpetrated by young individuals have prompted questions about their rationale for doing so. Below is collected evidence that their motives have been overwhelmingly [[atheism|atheistic]] or [[liberal]], or driven by hatred of [[God]].

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Year
!Name(s)
!Education
!Killed
!Wounded
!Beliefs
![[Liberal]] response
|-
|2011
|Jared Lee Loughner<ref>Suspected gunman as identified in the media.</ref>
|[[public high school]]
|6
|at least 17, including a congresswoman
|"left wing, quite liberal ... a political radical" and he declared that ''[[The Communist Manifesto]]'', ''[[Animal Farm]]'' and ''[[Mein Kampf]]'' are among his favorite books<ref>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40980334/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/</ref><ref>http://www.zerohedge.com/article/jared-lee-laughners-youtube-site-reveals-clues-about-killer-lists-mein-kampf-and-communist-m</ref>
|It's [[Sarah Palin]]'s fault because nearly one year earlier she had posted targets on 20 congressional districts for Republican wins, and this massacre (by a liberal) occurred in one of those districts.<ref>[http://blogs.forbes.com/carolinehoward/2011/01/08/gabrielle-giffords-shooting-and-sarah-palins-conscience/ "Gabrielle Giffords' Shooting And Sarah Palin's Conscience."]</ref>
|-
|2010
|[[Amy Bishop]]
|[[professor values|professor]], and daughter of a professor
|3, + many reporters believe brother in 1986
|3, was also a suspect in attempted murder in 1993
|"was a far-left political extremist who was “obsessed” with President Obama to the point of being off-putting."<ref>http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100215oddball_protrait_emerges_suspects_family_pals_offer_clues/srvc=home&position=0</ref>
|liberals liked her: she "was admired by her peers and loved by her students" and "was a super intelligent person."<ref>http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100214everybody_described_her_as_gentle/</ref>
|-
|2009
|Tim Kretschmer
|[[Germany]] [[public school]]
|15 + himself<ref>Reports were that the police did not mortally wound him. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1161139/Are-dead-Police-gun-ex-student-17-targeted-women-German-school-massacre.html</ref>
|several others
|
|Europe calls for more [[gun control]]; [[liberal]] media promotes falsehood: "We'll never know why they kill."[http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/12/greene.shootings/]
|-
|2008
|Stephen Kazmierczak
|[[Northern Illinois University]]
|5 + himself
|16
|Fan of [[Nietzsche]]'s "The Antichrist," obsessed with self-injury, was a "cutter" in [[public high school]], wore all black to carry out his massacre, and was still a [[public school]] student at age 27
|Feigned shock at the fact that the gunman didn't "fit" the typical mold of a killer, when in fact the gunman wore all black and was taught at a [[public school]].
|-
|2007
|Robert Hawkins
|Papillion-La Vista public high school
|8 + himself
|5
|Targeted [[Christmas]] shoppers; wore black; "I can't take this meaningless existence anymore"<ref>[http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.omaha08dec08,0,6053469.story Baltimore Sun]</ref> Told a therapist that "he is not sure if there is a [[God]] or life after death and that when he dies, he'll probably go to hell." Told social workers he was [[Satan|satanic]] and acknowledged that he often acted before thinking of the consequences. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318506,00.html Mall Gunman Admitted He was Satanic, Attempted Suicide], [[Associated Press]], [[Fox News Channel]], December 27, 2007</ref>
|Avoided suggesting [[gun control]] lest [[Democrats]] lose [[West Virginia]] and [[Wisconsin]] in [[2008 presidential election]]
|-
|2007
|Pekka-Eric Auvinen
|Jokela High School public high school (Finland)
|8 + himself
|About 12
|[[Atheist]], "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit."
|[[Finland]] already had [[gun control]]
|-
|2007
|[[Seung-Hui Cho]]
|Westfield public high school (VA), then Virgina Tech public university
|32 + himself
|25
|"Ismail Ax" suggested [[Muslim]] beliefs, felt "[[Jesus]] was crucifying me."
|Poem comparing it to environmental harm<ref>Virginia Tech, ''Transcript of Nikki Giovanni's Convocation address'', Delivered April 17, 2007[http://www.vt.edu/remember/archive/giovanni_transcript.html] ''We are Virginia Tech./We are sad today, and we will be sad for quite a while. We are not moving on, we are embracing our mourning./We are Virginia Tech./We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly, we are brave enough to bend to cry, and we are sad enough to know that we must laugh again./We are Virginia Tech./We do not understand this tragedy. We know we did nothing to deserve it, but neither does a child in Africa dying of AIDS, neither do the invisible children walking the night away to avoid being captured by the rogue army, neither does the baby elephant watching his community being devastated for ivory, neither does the Mexican child looking for fresh water, neither does the Appalachian infant killed in the middle of the night in his crib in the home his father built with his own hands being run over by a boulder because the land was destabilized. No one deserves a tragedy./We are Virginia Tech./The Hokie Nation embraces our own and reaches out with open heart and hands to those who offer their hearts and minds. We are strong, and brave, and innocent, and unafraid. We are better than we think and not quite what we want to be. We are alive to the imaginations and the possibilities. We will continue to invent the future through our blood and tears and through all our sadness./We are the Hokies./We will prevail./We will prevail./We will prevail./We are Virginia Tech.''</ref><ref>[http://americaabroad.tpmcafe.com/blog/oldengoldendecoy/2007/apr/17/nikki_giovanni_we_are_virginia_tech]</ref>
|-
|2007
|Asa Coon
|SuccessTech public school Academy (Cleveland)
|Himself
|4
|Said he didn't believe in [[God]] and didn't respect [[God]], killed after classmate disagreed; wore black<ref>[http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1192092117230670.xml&coll=2]</ref>
|Under-publicized because of his anti-[[God]] statements
|-
|2006
|[[Kimveer Gill]]
|Rosemere High School (Quebec)
|1 + himself
|20
|"I hate [[God]]" and "I hate religious zealots"
|[[Canada]] already had [[gun control]]
|-
|2002
|Robert Steinhäuser
|Erfurt public school (Germany)
|16 + himself
|
|Wore black entirely, literally from head to toe; stopped only when a teacher pulled off his black mask
|[[German]] [[gun control]] already strict, demands for limitations on computer games
|-
|1999
|Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
|[[Columbine public high school]] (CO)
|13 + themselves
|23
|[[Atheistic]], singled out a victim who believed in [[God]].
|Demand [[gun control]], causing [[Al Gore]] to lose [[West Virginia]], [[Tennessee]] and [[Arkansas]] in 2000 presidential election
|-
|1998
|Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden
|Westside Middle School
|5
|10
|Mitchell Johnson, the older of the two, was obsessed with rap lyrics like "coming to school and killing all the kids."<ref>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/06/16/entertainment/main11983.shtml</ref>
|Liberals blame the guns rather than the killer's obsession with rap music. Johnson is released at age 21 but is later arrested for new crimes.
|-
|1997
|Michael Carneal
|Heath public high school (KY)
|3
|5
|Murdered girls as they prayed in a [[prayer]] group
|Under-publicized due to anti-[[Christian]] nature
|-
|1989
|Marc Lépine, at the École Polytechnique de Montréal
||Collège d'enseignement général et professionnel, (''College of General and Vocational Education'')
|14 + himself
|14<ref>Montreal Coroners Report of the École Polytechnique de Montréal massacre [http://www.diarmani.com/Montreal_Coroners_Report.pdf]</ref>
|His religious views were unpublicized but he was raised in a home with an immigrant Muslim father who was allegedly highly critical of the [[feminist]] view of women's role in society; Marc's mother was an ex-nun; and his sister had allegedly committed suicide<ref>http://www.volokh.com/posts/1142399687.shtml</ref><ref>
Allegedly his suicide note reflected anger towards feminists, See [http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_5897.aspx CityNews Rewind: The Montreal Massacre, December 6, 2006]</ref>
|Ignore the personal background of the killer and instead use the massacre to push for stricter [[gun control]] and more laws concerning violence against women, and establish in [[Canada]] a National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women.
|-
|}

== References ==
{{reflist}}
[[category:crime]]

Gabrielle Giffords

2011-01-10T01:43:52Z

GDurkin:

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'''Gabrielle Giffords''' (born June 8, 1970 in Tucson, Arizona) currently serves as the [[Democrat]]ic U.S. Representative from [[Arizona]]'s 8th congressional district, having been first elected in 2006. She is a member of the Armed Services Committee, Foreign Affairs Committee, and the Science and Technology Committee.

On January 8, 2011, she was shot along with at least 17 others by a gunman while holding a public event outside of a grocery store in Tucson. [http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/gabrielle-giffords-Congresswoman-Shot/2011/01/08/id/382236] U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona will survive being shot in the head by a man who opened fire at her community meeting in Tucson, killing six people including a federal judge. [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-08/arizona-congresswoman-giffords-others-shot-at-event-in-tucson-arizona.html] [http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/08/arizona-congresswoman-reportedly-shot-public-event/] Reports are confirming that an aide to the congresswoman and a federal judge, John Roll were killed in the attack. [http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/01/arizona_congresswoman_shot_npr.html]

<blockquote>
On January 8, 2011, Giffords and at least 17 people, 6 of whom are reported dead, were shot at Giffords' "Congress on Your Corner" event[http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html?_r=1&hp], including three members of the Democratic congresswoman's staff in Arizona. She was shot by 22 year-old Jared Lee Loughner. Six have died, including one of Giffords' aides and a 9-year-old girl. Several others are in critical condition at the University of Arizona Medical Center. [http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/08/arizona-congresswoman-reportedly-shot-public-event/] Giffords' [[rabbi]] was en route to Tucson from Flagstaff, AZ, earlier Saturday. [http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13807790]
</blockquote>

Giffords attended Cornell University and Scripps College in California. She was elected to the State House in 2000, and two years later became the youngest woman ever elected to the Arizona Senate. Giffords is married to astronaut Mark E. Kelly, who has piloted space shuttles Endeavour and Discovery. The two met in China in 2003 while they were serving on a committee there, and were married in January 2007. [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40978517/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/]

==External links==
*[http://giffords.house.gov/ House website]
*[http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Gabby_Giffords.htm On the Issues]

==References==
<references/>

{{DEFAULTSORT:Giffords, Gabrielle}}
[[Category:United States Representatives]]
[[Category:Democratic Party]]

Young mass murderers

2011-01-09T20:49:03Z

GDurkin:

Recent increases in tragic mass-murders perpetrated by young individuals have prompted questions about their rationale for doing so. Below is collected evidence that their motives have been overwhelmingly [[atheism|atheistic]] or [[liberal]], or driven by hatred of [[God]].

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Year
!Name(s)
!Education
!Killed
!Wounded
!Beliefs
![[Liberal]] response
|-
|2011
|Jared Lee Loughner<ref>Suspected gunman as identified in the media.</ref>
|[[public high school]]
|6
|at least 17, including a congresswoman
|"left wing, quite liberal ... a political radical" and he declared that ''[[The Communist Manifesto]]'', ''[[Animal Farm]]'' and ''[[Mein Kampf]]'' are amount his favorite books<ref>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40980334/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/</ref><ref>http://www.zerohedge.com/article/jared-lee-laughners-youtube-site-reveals-clues-about-killer-lists-mein-kampf-and-communist-m</ref>
|It's [[Sarah Palin]]'s fault because nearly one year earlier she had posted targets on 20 congressional districts for Republican wins, and this massacre (by a liberal) occurred in one of those districts.<ref>[http://blogs.forbes.com/carolinehoward/2011/01/08/gabrielle-giffords-shooting-and-sarah-palins-conscience/ "Gabrielle Giffords' Shooting And Sarah Palin's Conscience."]</ref>
|-
|2010
|[[Amy Bishop]]
|[[professor values|professor]], and daughter of a professor
|3, + many reporters believe brother in 1986
|3, was also a suspect in attempted murder in 1993
|"was a far-left political extremist"<ref>http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100215oddball_protrait_emerges_suspects_family_pals_offer_clues/srvc=home&position=0</ref>
|liberals liked her: she "was admired by her peers and loved by her students" and "was a super intelligent person."<ref>http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100214everybody_described_her_as_gentle/</ref>
|-
|2009
|Tim Kretschmer
|[[Germany]] [[public school]]
|15 + himself<ref>Reports were that the police did not mortally wound him. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1161139/Are-dead-Police-gun-ex-student-17-targeted-women-German-school-massacre.html</ref>
|several others
|
|Europe calls for more [[gun control]]; [[liberal]] media promotes falsehood: "We'll never know why they kill."[http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/12/greene.shootings/]
|-
|2008
|Stephen Kazmierczak
|[[Northern Illinois University]]
|5 + himself
|16
|Fan of [[Nietzsche]]'s "The Antichrist," obsessed with self-injury, was a "cutter" in [[public high school]], wore all black to carry out his massacre, and was still a [[public school]] student at age 27
|Feigned shock at the fact that the gunman didn't "fit" the typical mold of a killer, when in fact the gunman wore all black and was taught at a [[public school]].
|-
|2007
|Robert Hawkins
|Papillion-La Vista public high school
|8 + himself
|5
|Targeted [[Christmas]] shoppers; wore black; "I can't take this meaningless existence anymore"<ref>[http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.omaha08dec08,0,6053469.story Baltimore Sun]</ref> Told a therapist that "he is not sure if there is a [[God]] or life after death and that when he dies, he'll probably go to hell." Told social workers he was [[Satan|satanic]] and acknowledged that he often acted before thinking of the consequences. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318506,00.html Mall Gunman Admitted He was Satanic, Attempted Suicide], [[Associated Press]], [[Fox News Channel]], December 27, 2007</ref>
|Avoided suggesting [[gun control]] lest [[Democrats]] lose [[West Virginia]] and [[Wisconsin]] in [[2008 presidential election]]
|-
|2007
|Pekka-Eric Auvinen
|Jokela High School public high school (Finland)
|8 + himself
|About 12
|[[Atheist]], "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit."
|[[Finland]] already had [[gun control]]
|-
|2007
|[[Seung-Hui Cho]]
|Westfield public high school (VA), then Virgina Tech public university
|32 + himself
|25
|"Ismail Ax" suggested [[Muslim]] beliefs, felt "[[Jesus]] was crucifying me."
|Poem comparing it to environmental harm<ref>Virginia Tech, ''Transcript of Nikki Giovanni's Convocation address'', Delivered April 17, 2007[http://www.vt.edu/remember/archive/giovanni_transcript.html] ''We are Virginia Tech./We are sad today, and we will be sad for quite a while. We are not moving on, we are embracing our mourning./We are Virginia Tech./We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly, we are brave enough to bend to cry, and we are sad enough to know that we must laugh again./We are Virginia Tech./We do not understand this tragedy. We know we did nothing to deserve it, but neither does a child in Africa dying of AIDS, neither do the invisible children walking the night away to avoid being captured by the rogue army, neither does the baby elephant watching his community being devastated for ivory, neither does the Mexican child looking for fresh water, neither does the Appalachian infant killed in the middle of the night in his crib in the home his father built with his own hands being run over by a boulder because the land was destabilized. No one deserves a tragedy./We are Virginia Tech./The Hokie Nation embraces our own and reaches out with open heart and hands to those who offer their hearts and minds. We are strong, and brave, and innocent, and unafraid. We are better than we think and not quite what we want to be. We are alive to the imaginations and the possibilities. We will continue to invent the future through our blood and tears and through all our sadness./We are the Hokies./We will prevail./We will prevail./We will prevail./We are Virginia Tech.''</ref><ref>[http://americaabroad.tpmcafe.com/blog/oldengoldendecoy/2007/apr/17/nikki_giovanni_we_are_virginia_tech]</ref>
|-
|2007
|Asa Coon
|SuccessTech public school Academy (Cleveland)
|Himself
|4
|Said he didn't believe in [[God]] and didn't respect [[God]], killed after classmate disagreed; wore black<ref>[http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1192092117230670.xml&coll=2]</ref>
|Under-publicized because of his anti-[[God]] statements
|-
|2006
|[[Kimveer Gill]]
|Rosemere High School (Quebec)
|1 + himself
|20
|"I hate [[God]]" and "I hate religious zealots"
|[[Canada]] already had [[gun control]]
|-
|2002
|Robert Steinhäuser
|Erfurt public school (Germany)
|16 + himself
|
|Wore black entirely, literally from head to toe; stopped only when a teacher pulled off his black mask
|[[German]] [[gun control]] already strict, demands for limitations on computer games
|-
|1999
|Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
|[[Columbine public high school]] (CO)
|13 + themselves
|23
|[[Atheistic]], singled out a victim who believed in [[God]].
|Demand [[gun control]], causing [[Al Gore]] to lose [[West Virginia]], [[Tennessee]] and [[Arkansas]] in 2000 presidential election
|-
|1998
|Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden
|Westside Middle School
|5
|10
|Mitchell Johnson, the older of the two, was obsessed with rap lyrics like "coming to school and killing all the kids."<ref>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/06/16/entertainment/main11983.shtml</ref>
|Liberals blame the guns rather than the killer's obsession with rap music. Johnson is released at age 21 but is later arrested for new crimes.
|-
|1997
|Michael Carneal
|Heath public high school (KY)
|3
|5
|Murdered girls as they prayed in a [[prayer]] group
|Under-publicized due to anti-[[Christian]] nature
|-
|1989
|Marc Lépine, at the École Polytechnique de Montréal
||Collège d'enseignement général et professionnel, (''College of General and Vocational Education'')
|14 + himself
|14<ref>Montreal Coroners Report of the École Polytechnique de Montréal massacre [http://www.diarmani.com/Montreal_Coroners_Report.pdf]</ref>
|His religious views were unpublicized but he was raised in a home with an immigrant Muslim father who was allegedly highly critical of the [[feminist]] view of women's role in society; Marc's mother was an ex-nun; and his sister had allegedly committed suicide<ref>http://www.volokh.com/posts/1142399687.shtml</ref><ref>
Allegedly his suicide note reflected anger towards feminists, See [http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_5897.aspx CityNews Rewind: The Montreal Massacre, December 6, 2006]</ref>
|Ignore the personal background of the killer and instead use the massacre to push for stricter [[gun control]] and more laws concerning violence against women, and establish in [[Canada]] a National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women.
|-
|}

== References ==
{{reflist}}
[[category:crime]]

Young mass murderers

2011-01-09T20:48:47Z

GDurkin:

Recent increases in tragic mass-murders perpetrated by young individuals have prompted questions about their rationale for doing so. Below is collected evidence that their motives have been overwhelmingly [[atheism|atheistic]] or [[liberal]], or driven by hatred of [[God]].

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Year
!Name(s)
!Education
!Killed
!Wounded
!Beliefs
![[Liberal]] response
|-
|2011
|Jared Lee Loughner<ref>Suspected gunman as identified in the media.</ref>
|[[public high school]]
|6
|at least 17, including a congresswoman
|"left wing, quite liberal ... a political radical" and he declared that ''[[The Communist Manifesto]]'', ''[[Animal Farm]]'' and ''[[Mein Kampf]]'' are amount his favorite books<ref>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40980334/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/</ref><ref>http://www.zerohedge.com/article/jared-lee-laughners-youtube-site-reveals-clues-about-killer-lists-mein-kampf-and-communist-m</ref>
|It's [[Sarah Palin]]'s fault because nearly one year earlier she had posted targets on 20 congressional districts for Republican wins, and this massacre (by a liberal) occurred in one of those districts.<ref>[http://blogs.forbes.com/carolinehoward/2011/01/08/gabrielle-giffords-shooting-and-sarah-palins-conscience/ "Gabrielle Giffords' Shooting And Sarah Palin's Conscience."]</ref>
|-
|2010
|[[Amy Bishop]]
|[[professor values|professor]], and daughter of a professor
|3, + many reporters believe brother in 1986
|3, was also a suspect in attempted murder in 1993
|"was a far-left political extremist"<ref>http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100215oddball_protrait_emerges_suspects_family_pals_offer_clues/srvc=home&position=0</ref>
|liberals liked her: she "was admired by her peers and loved by her students" and "was a super intelligent person."<ref>http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100214everybody_described_her_as_gentle/</ref>
|-
|2009
|Tim Kretschmer
|[[Germany]] [[public school]]
|15 + himself<ref>Reports were that the police did not mortally wound him. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1161139/Are-dead-Police-gun-ex-student-17-targeted-women-German-school-massacre.html</ref>
|several others
|
|denial of significance of all-black clothing by a teenager; Europe calls for more [[gun control]]; [[liberal]] media promotes falsehood: "We'll never know why they kill."[http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/12/greene.shootings/]
|-
|2008
|Stephen Kazmierczak
|[[Northern Illinois University]]
|5 + himself
|16
|Fan of [[Nietzsche]]'s "The Antichrist," obsessed with self-injury, was a "cutter" in [[public high school]], wore all black to carry out his massacre, and was still a [[public school]] student at age 27
|Feigned shock at the fact that the gunman didn't "fit" the typical mold of a killer, when in fact the gunman wore all black and was taught at a [[public school]].
|-
|2007
|Robert Hawkins
|Papillion-La Vista public high school
|8 + himself
|5
|Targeted [[Christmas]] shoppers; wore black; "I can't take this meaningless existence anymore"<ref>[http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.omaha08dec08,0,6053469.story Baltimore Sun]</ref> Told a therapist that "he is not sure if there is a [[God]] or life after death and that when he dies, he'll probably go to hell." Told social workers he was [[Satan|satanic]] and acknowledged that he often acted before thinking of the consequences. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318506,00.html Mall Gunman Admitted He was Satanic, Attempted Suicide], [[Associated Press]], [[Fox News Channel]], December 27, 2007</ref>
|Avoided suggesting [[gun control]] lest [[Democrats]] lose [[West Virginia]] and [[Wisconsin]] in [[2008 presidential election]]
|-
|2007
|Pekka-Eric Auvinen
|Jokela High School public high school (Finland)
|8 + himself
|About 12
|[[Atheist]], "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit."
|[[Finland]] already had [[gun control]]
|-
|2007
|[[Seung-Hui Cho]]
|Westfield public high school (VA), then Virgina Tech public university
|32 + himself
|25
|"Ismail Ax" suggested [[Muslim]] beliefs, felt "[[Jesus]] was crucifying me."
|Poem comparing it to environmental harm<ref>Virginia Tech, ''Transcript of Nikki Giovanni's Convocation address'', Delivered April 17, 2007[http://www.vt.edu/remember/archive/giovanni_transcript.html] ''We are Virginia Tech./We are sad today, and we will be sad for quite a while. We are not moving on, we are embracing our mourning./We are Virginia Tech./We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly, we are brave enough to bend to cry, and we are sad enough to know that we must laugh again./We are Virginia Tech./We do not understand this tragedy. We know we did nothing to deserve it, but neither does a child in Africa dying of AIDS, neither do the invisible children walking the night away to avoid being captured by the rogue army, neither does the baby elephant watching his community being devastated for ivory, neither does the Mexican child looking for fresh water, neither does the Appalachian infant killed in the middle of the night in his crib in the home his father built with his own hands being run over by a boulder because the land was destabilized. No one deserves a tragedy./We are Virginia Tech./The Hokie Nation embraces our own and reaches out with open heart and hands to those who offer their hearts and minds. We are strong, and brave, and innocent, and unafraid. We are better than we think and not quite what we want to be. We are alive to the imaginations and the possibilities. We will continue to invent the future through our blood and tears and through all our sadness./We are the Hokies./We will prevail./We will prevail./We will prevail./We are Virginia Tech.''</ref><ref>[http://americaabroad.tpmcafe.com/blog/oldengoldendecoy/2007/apr/17/nikki_giovanni_we_are_virginia_tech]</ref>
|-
|2007
|Asa Coon
|SuccessTech public school Academy (Cleveland)
|Himself
|4
|Said he didn't believe in [[God]] and didn't respect [[God]], killed after classmate disagreed; wore black<ref>[http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1192092117230670.xml&coll=2]</ref>
|Under-publicized because of his anti-[[God]] statements
|-
|2006
|[[Kimveer Gill]]
|Rosemere High School (Quebec)
|1 + himself
|20
|"I hate [[God]]" and "I hate religious zealots"
|[[Canada]] already had [[gun control]]
|-
|2002
|Robert Steinhäuser
|Erfurt public school (Germany)
|16 + himself
|
|Wore black entirely, literally from head to toe; stopped only when a teacher pulled off his black mask
|[[German]] [[gun control]] already strict, demands for limitations on computer games
|-
|1999
|Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
|[[Columbine public high school]] (CO)
|13 + themselves
|23
|[[Atheistic]], singled out a victim who believed in [[God]].
|Demand [[gun control]], causing [[Al Gore]] to lose [[West Virginia]], [[Tennessee]] and [[Arkansas]] in 2000 presidential election
|-
|1998
|Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden
|Westside Middle School
|5
|10
|Mitchell Johnson, the older of the two, was obsessed with rap lyrics like "coming to school and killing all the kids."<ref>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/06/16/entertainment/main11983.shtml</ref>
|Liberals blame the guns rather than the killer's obsession with rap music. Johnson is released at age 21 but is later arrested for new crimes.
|-
|1997
|Michael Carneal
|Heath public high school (KY)
|3
|5
|Murdered girls as they prayed in a [[prayer]] group
|Under-publicized due to anti-[[Christian]] nature
|-
|1989
|Marc Lépine, at the École Polytechnique de Montréal
||Collège d'enseignement général et professionnel, (''College of General and Vocational Education'')
|14 + himself
|14<ref>Montreal Coroners Report of the École Polytechnique de Montréal massacre [http://www.diarmani.com/Montreal_Coroners_Report.pdf]</ref>
|His religious views were unpublicized but he was raised in a home with an immigrant Muslim father who was allegedly highly critical of the [[feminist]] view of women's role in society; Marc's mother was an ex-nun; and his sister had allegedly committed suicide<ref>http://www.volokh.com/posts/1142399687.shtml</ref><ref>
Allegedly his suicide note reflected anger towards feminists, See [http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_5897.aspx CityNews Rewind: The Montreal Massacre, December 6, 2006]</ref>
|Ignore the personal background of the killer and instead use the massacre to push for stricter [[gun control]] and more laws concerning violence against women, and establish in [[Canada]] a National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women.
|-
|}

== References ==
{{reflist}}
[[category:crime]]

User talk:GDurkin

2011-01-09T20:32:17Z

GDurkin:

Welcome to rationalwiki.org. Have fun :)
:i dont understand [[User:GDurkin|GDurkin]] 15:32, 9 January 2011 (EST)

Young mass murderers

2011-01-09T20:30:23Z

GDurkin: was one sided

Recent increases in tragic mass-murders perpetrated by young individuals have prompted questions about their rationale for doing so. Below is collected evidence that their motives have been overwhelmingly [[atheism|atheistic]] or [[liberal]], or driven by hatred of [[God]].

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Year
!Name(s)
!Education
!Killed
!Wounded
!Beliefs
![[Liberal]] response
|-
|2011
|Jared Lee Loughner<ref>Suspected gunman as identified in the media.</ref>
|[[public high school]]
|6
|at least 17, including a congresswoman
|"left wing, quite liberal ... a political radical" and he declared that ''[[The Communist Manifesto]]'', ''[[Animal Farm]]'' and ''[[Mein Kampf]]'' are amount his favorite books<ref>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40980334/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/</ref><ref>http://www.zerohedge.com/article/jared-lee-laughners-youtube-site-reveals-clues-about-killer-lists-mein-kampf-and-communist-m</ref>
|It's [[Sarah Palin]]'s fault because nearly one year earlier she had posted targets on 20 congressional districts for Republican wins, and this massacre (by a liberal) occurred in one of those districts.<ref>[http://blogs.forbes.com/carolinehoward/2011/01/08/gabrielle-giffords-shooting-and-sarah-palins-conscience/ "Gabrielle Giffords' Shooting And Sarah Palin's Conscience."]</ref>
|-
|2010
|[[Amy Bishop]]
|[[professor values|professor]], and daughter of a professor
|3, plus brother in 1986
|3, was also a suspect in attempted murder in 1993
|"was a far-left political extremist"<ref>http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100215oddball_protrait_emerges_suspects_family_pals_offer_clues/srvc=home&position=0</ref>
|liberals liked her: she "was admired by her peers and loved by her students" and "was a super intelligent person."<ref>http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100214everybody_described_her_as_gentle/</ref>
|-
|2009
|Tim Kretschmer
|[[Germany]] [[public school]]
|15 + himself<ref>Reports were that the police did not mortally wound him. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1161139/Are-dead-Police-gun-ex-student-17-targeted-women-German-school-massacre.html</ref>
|several others
|wore all black, indicative of anti-Christianity
|denial of significance of all-black clothing by a teenager; Europe calls for more [[gun control]]; [[liberal]] media promotes falsehood: "We'll never know why they kill."[http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/12/greene.shootings/]
|-
|2008
|Stephen Kazmierczak
|[[Northern Illinois University]]
|5 + himself
|16
|Fan of [[Nietzsche]]'s "The Antichrist," obsessed with self-injury, was a "cutter" in [[public high school]], wore all black to carry out his massacre, and was still a [[public school]] student at age 27
|Feigned shock at the fact that the gunman didn't "fit" the typical mold of a killer, when in fact the gunman wore all black and was taught at a [[public school]].
|-
|2007
|Robert Hawkins
|Papillion-La Vista public high school
|8 + himself
|5
|Targeted [[Christmas]] shoppers; wore black; "I can't take this meaningless existence anymore"<ref>[http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.omaha08dec08,0,6053469.story Baltimore Sun]</ref> Told a therapist that "he is not sure if there is a [[God]] or life after death and that when he dies, he'll probably go to hell." Told social workers he was [[Satan|satanic]] and acknowledged that he often acted before thinking of the consequences. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318506,00.html Mall Gunman Admitted He was Satanic, Attempted Suicide], [[Associated Press]], [[Fox News Channel]], December 27, 2007</ref>
|Avoided suggesting [[gun control]] lest [[Democrats]] lose [[West Virginia]] and [[Wisconsin]] in [[2008 presidential election]]
|-
|2007
|Pekka-Eric Auvinen
|Jokela High School public high school (Finland)
|8 + himself
|About 12
|[[Atheist]], "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit."
|[[Finland]] already had [[gun control]]
|-
|2007
|[[Seung-Hui Cho]]
|Westfield public high school (VA), then Virgina Tech public university
|32 + himself
|25
|"Ismail Ax" suggested [[Muslim]] beliefs, felt "[[Jesus]] was crucifying me."
|Poem comparing it to environmental harm<ref>Virginia Tech, ''Transcript of Nikki Giovanni's Convocation address'', Delivered April 17, 2007[http://www.vt.edu/remember/archive/giovanni_transcript.html] ''We are Virginia Tech./We are sad today, and we will be sad for quite a while. We are not moving on, we are embracing our mourning./We are Virginia Tech./We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly, we are brave enough to bend to cry, and we are sad enough to know that we must laugh again./We are Virginia Tech./We do not understand this tragedy. We know we did nothing to deserve it, but neither does a child in Africa dying of AIDS, neither do the invisible children walking the night away to avoid being captured by the rogue army, neither does the baby elephant watching his community being devastated for ivory, neither does the Mexican child looking for fresh water, neither does the Appalachian infant killed in the middle of the night in his crib in the home his father built with his own hands being run over by a boulder because the land was destabilized. No one deserves a tragedy./We are Virginia Tech./The Hokie Nation embraces our own and reaches out with open heart and hands to those who offer their hearts and minds. We are strong, and brave, and innocent, and unafraid. We are better than we think and not quite what we want to be. We are alive to the imaginations and the possibilities. We will continue to invent the future through our blood and tears and through all our sadness./We are the Hokies./We will prevail./We will prevail./We will prevail./We are Virginia Tech.''</ref><ref>[http://americaabroad.tpmcafe.com/blog/oldengoldendecoy/2007/apr/17/nikki_giovanni_we_are_virginia_tech]</ref>
|-
|2007
|Asa Coon
|SuccessTech public school Academy (Cleveland)
|Himself
|4
|Said he didn't believe in [[God]] and didn't respect [[God]], killed after classmate disagreed; wore black<ref>[http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1192092117230670.xml&coll=2]</ref>
|Under-publicized because of his anti-[[God]] statements
|-
|2006
|[[Kimveer Gill]]
|Rosemere High School (Quebec)
|1 + himself
|20
|"I hate [[God]]" and "I hate religious zealots"
|[[Canada]] already had [[gun control]]
|-
|2002
|Robert Steinhäuser
|Erfurt public school (Germany)
|16 + himself
|
|Wore black entirely, literally from head to toe; stopped only when a teacher pulled off his black mask
|[[German]] [[gun control]] already strict, demands for limitations on computer games
|-
|1999
|Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
|[[Columbine public high school]] (CO)
|13 + themselves
|23
|[[Atheistic]], singled out a victim who believed in [[God]].
|Demand [[gun control]], causing [[Al Gore]] to lose [[West Virginia]], [[Tennessee]] and [[Arkansas]] in 2000 presidential election
|-
|1998
|Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden
|Westside Middle School
|5
|10
|Mitchell Johnson, the older of the two, was obsessed with rap lyrics like "coming to school and killing all the kids."<ref>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/06/16/entertainment/main11983.shtml</ref>
|Liberals blame the guns rather than the killer's obsession with rap music. Johnson is released at age 21 but is later arrested for new crimes.
|-
|1997
|Michael Carneal
|Heath public high school (KY)
|3
|5
|Murdered girls as they prayed in a [[prayer]] group
|Under-publicized due to anti-[[Christian]] nature
|-
|1989
|Marc Lépine, at the École Polytechnique de Montréal
||Collège d'enseignement général et professionnel, (''College of General and Vocational Education'')
|14 + himself
|14<ref>Montreal Coroners Report of the École Polytechnique de Montréal massacre [http://www.diarmani.com/Montreal_Coroners_Report.pdf]</ref>
|His religious views were unpublicized but he was raised in a home with an immigrant Muslim father who was allegedly highly critical of the [[feminist]] view of women's role in society; Marc's mother was an ex-nun; and his sister had allegedly committed suicide<ref>http://www.volokh.com/posts/1142399687.shtml</ref><ref>
Allegedly his suicide note reflected anger towards feminists, See [http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_5897.aspx CityNews Rewind: The Montreal Massacre, December 6, 2006]</ref>
|Ignore the personal background of the killer and instead use the massacre to push for stricter [[gun control]] and more laws concerning violence against women, and establish in [[Canada]] a National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women.
|-
|}

== References ==
{{reflist}}
[[category:crime]]

Gabrielle Giffords

2011-01-09T20:19:54Z

GDurkin:

{{Officeholder
|name=Gabrielle Giffords
|image=G000554.jpg‎
|party=[[Democrat]]
|spouse=Mark E. Kelly
|religion=Jewish
|offices=
{{Officeholder/representative
|state=Arizona
|district=8th
|terms=January 3, 2007 - Present
|preceded=Jim Kolbe
|former=n
|succeeded=
}}

}}

'''Gabrielle Giffords''' (born June 8, 1970 in Tucson, Arizona) currently serves as the [[Democrat]]ic U.S. Representative from [[Arizona]]'s 8th congressional district, having been first elected in 2006. She is a member of the Armed Services Committee, Foreign Affairs Committee, and the Science and Technology Committee.

On January 8, 2011, she was shot along with at least 17 others by a gunman while holding a public event outside of a grocery store in Tucson. [http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/gabrielle-giffords-Congresswoman-Shot/2011/01/08/id/382236] U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona will survive being shot in the head by a man who opened fire at her community meeting in Tucson, killing six people including a federal judge. [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-08/arizona-congresswoman-giffords-others-shot-at-event-in-tucson-arizona.html] [http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/08/arizona-congresswoman-reportedly-shot-public-event/] Reports are confirming that an aide to the congresswoman and a federal judge, John Roll were killed in the attack. [http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/01/arizona_congresswoman_shot_npr.html]

<blockquote>
On January 8, 2011, Giffords and at least 17 people, 6 of whom are reported dead, were shot at Giffords' "Congress on Your Corner" event[http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html?_r=1&hp], including three members of the Democratic congresswoman's staff in Arizona. She was shot by 22 year-old Jared Lee Loughner. Five have died, including one of Giffords' aides and a 9-year-old girl. Several others are in critical condition at the University of Arizona Medical Center. [http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/08/arizona-congresswoman-reportedly-shot-public-event/] Giffords' [[rabbi]] was en route to Tucson from Flagstaff, AZ, earlier Saturday. [http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13807790]
</blockquote>

Giffords attended Cornell University and Scripps College in California. She was elected to the State House in 2000, and two years later became the youngest woman ever elected to the Arizona Senate. Giffords is married to astronaut Mark E. Kelly, who has piloted space shuttles Endeavour and Discovery. The two met in China in 2003 while they were serving on a committee there, and were married in January 2007. [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40978517/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/]

==External links==
*[http://giffords.house.gov/ House website]
*[http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Gabby_Giffords.htm On the Issues]

==References==
<references/>

{{DEFAULTSORT:Giffords, Gabrielle}}
[[Category:United States Representatives]]
[[Category:Democratic Party]]

Talk:Net neutrality

2011-01-09T20:14:35Z

GDurkin:

I'm pretty sure the correct term is net neutrality. Somewhat short for internet neutrality. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]][[User_talk:ColinR|talk]] 02:36, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
:its short for network neutrality [[User:GDurkin|GDurkin]] 15:14, 9 January 2011 (EST)
Feel free to do whatever you want with it. I'm sure you know more about the topic than I do. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 02:38, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

== Specifically liberal/Democratic issue? ==

The most recent edit by Andy claims that this is an issue specific to liberal causes. This isn't always true - for example, (usually and historically) libertarian groups like the EFF claim to support the "idea" but argue that the track record of government involvement in technology has always been very pro-Hollywood and pro-business. See here: [http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/08/google-verizon-netneutrality EFF Net Neutrality]. -[[User:Danq|danq]] 16:57, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

* This section has been here for quite a while, I've added more information on this argument to the page. -[[User:Danq|danq]] 01:08, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

:: Shouldn't the title of the content page be moved back to "net neutrality"?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 01:18, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

== Net Neutrality ==

The idea behind net neutrality is to stop ISP's from shaping and throttling internet traffic. Although government control wouldnt really work, I think this article misinforms the readers. Right now ISPs can shape their traffic, so a site like say... Wikipedia would load faster than CP. [[User:GDurkin|GDurkin]] 00:07, 8 January 2011 (EST)

Gabrielle Giffords

2011-01-09T20:12:32Z

GDurkin:

{{Officeholder
|name=Gabrielle Giffords
|image=G000554.jpg‎
|party=[[Democrat]]
|spouse=Mark E. Kelly
|religion=Jewish
|offices=
{{Officeholder/representative
|state=Arizona
|district=8th
|terms=January 3, 2007 - Present
|preceded=Jim Kolbe
|former=n
|succeeded=
}}

}}

'''Gabrielle Giffords''' (born June 8, 1970 in Tucson, Arizona) currently serves as the [[Democrat]]ic U.S. Representative from [[Arizona]]'s 8th congressional district, having been first elected in 2006. She is a member of the Armed Services Committee, Foreign Affairs Committee, and the Science and Technology Committee.

On January 8, 2011, she was shot along with 19 others by a gunman while holding a public event outside of a grocery store in Tucson. [http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/gabrielle-giffords-Congresswoman-Shot/2011/01/08/id/382236] U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona will survive being shot in the head by a man who opened fire at her community meeting in Tucson, killing six people including a federal judge. [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-08/arizona-congresswoman-giffords-others-shot-at-event-in-tucson-arizona.html] [http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/08/arizona-congresswoman-reportedly-shot-public-event/] Reports are confirming that an aide to the congresswoman and a federal judge, John Roll were killed in the attack. [http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/01/arizona_congresswoman_shot_npr.html]

<blockquote>
On January 8, 2011, Giffords and at least 17 people, 6 of whom are reported dead, were shot at Giffords' "Congress on Your Corner" event[http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html?_r=1&hp], including three members of the Democratic congresswoman's staff in Arizona. Five have died, including one of Giffords' aides and a 9-year-old girl. Several others are in critical condition at the University of Arizona Medical Center. [http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/08/arizona-congresswoman-reportedly-shot-public-event/] Giffords' [[rabbi]] was en route to Tucson from Flagstaff, AZ, earlier Saturday. [http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13807790]
</blockquote>

Giffords attended Cornell University and Scripps College in California. She was elected to the State House in 2000, and two years later became the youngest woman ever elected to the Arizona Senate. Giffords is married to astronaut Mark E. Kelly, who has piloted space shuttles Endeavour and Discovery. The two met in China in 2003 while they were serving on a committee there, and were married in January 2007. [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40978517/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/]

==External links==
*[http://giffords.house.gov/ House website]
*[http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Gabby_Giffords.htm On the Issues]

==References==
<references/>

{{DEFAULTSORT:Giffords, Gabrielle}}
[[Category:United States Representatives]]
[[Category:Democratic Party]]

Gabrielle Giffords

2011-01-09T20:10:18Z

GDurkin: the only confirmed number is 17 or more

{{Officeholder
|name=Gabrielle Giffords
|image=G000554.jpg‎
|party=[[Democrat]]
|spouse=Mark E. Kelly
|religion=Jewish
|offices=
{{Officeholder/representative
|state=Arizona
|district=8th
|terms=January 3, 2007 - Present
|preceded=Jim Kolbe
|former=n
|succeeded=
}}

}}

'''Gabrielle Giffords''' (born June 8, 1970 in Tucson, Arizona) currently serves as the [[Democrat]]ic U.S. Representative from [[Arizona]]'s 8th congressional district, having been first elected in 2006. She is a member of the Armed Services Committee, Foreign Affairs Committee, and the Science and Technology Committee.

On January 8, 2011, she was shot along with 19 others by a gunman while holding a public event outside of a grocery store in Tucson.[http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/gabrielle-giffords-Congresswoman-Shot/2011/01/08/id/382236] U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona will survive being shot in the head by a man who opened fire at her community meeting in Tucson, killing six people including a federal judge. [http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-08/arizona-congresswoman-giffords-others-shot-at-event-in-tucson-arizona.html] [http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/08/arizona-congresswoman-reportedly-shot-public-event/] Reports are confirming that an aide to the congresswoman and a federal judge, John Roll were killed in the attack. [http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/01/arizona_congresswoman_shot_npr.html]

<blockquote>
On January 8, 2011, Giffords and at least 17 people, 6 of whom are reported dead, were shot at Giffords' "Congress on Your Corner" event[http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html?_r=1&hp], including three members of the Democratic congresswoman's staff in Arizona. Five have died, including one of Giffords' aides and a 9-year-old girl. Several others are in critical condition at the University of Arizona Medical Center. [http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/08/arizona-congresswoman-reportedly-shot-public-event/] Giffords' [[rabbi]] was en route to Tucson from Flagstaff, AZ, earlier Saturday. [http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13807790]
</blockquote>

Giffords attended Cornell University and Scripps College in California. She was elected to the State House in 2000, and two years later became the youngest woman ever elected to the Arizona Senate. Giffords is married to astronaut Mark E. Kelly, who has piloted space shuttles Endeavour and Discovery. The two met in China in 2003 while they were serving on a committee there, and were married in January 2007. [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40978517/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/]

==External links==
*[http://giffords.house.gov/ House website]
*[http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Gabby_Giffords.htm On the Issues]

==References==
<references/>

{{DEFAULTSORT:Giffords, Gabrielle}}
[[Category:United States Representatives]]
[[Category:Democratic Party]]

Talk:Net neutrality

2011-01-08T05:07:38Z

GDurkin:

I'm pretty sure the correct term is net neutrality. Somewhat short for internet neutrality. [[User:ColinR|ColinR]][[User_talk:ColinR|talk]] 02:36, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

Feel free to do whatever you want with it. I'm sure you know more about the topic than I do. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 02:38, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

== Specifically liberal/Democratic issue? ==

The most recent edit by Andy claims that this is an issue specific to liberal causes. This isn't always true - for example, (usually and historically) libertarian groups like the EFF claim to support the "idea" but argue that the track record of government involvement in technology has always been very pro-Hollywood and pro-business. See here: [http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/08/google-verizon-netneutrality EFF Net Neutrality]. -[[User:Danq|danq]] 16:57, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

* This section has been here for quite a while, I've added more information on this argument to the page. -[[User:Danq|danq]] 01:08, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

:: Shouldn't the title of the content page be moved back to "net neutrality"?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 01:18, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

== Net Neutrality ==

The idea behind net neutrality is to stop ISP's from shaping and throttling internet traffic. Although government control wouldnt really work, I think this article misinforms the readers. Right now ISPs can shape their traffic, so a site like say... Wikipedia would load faster than CP. [[User:GDurkin|GDurkin]] 00:07, 8 January 2011 (EST)