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		<title>Debate:Can conservapedia become the next Wikipedia, is this good or bad</title>
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Conservapedia in it self is a good idea, but it does have its own flaws, short articals( the page on G W bush on conservapedia is at least 1/8 the size of the wikipedia version) practically no articals on Popular culture(artists, video games, tv shows ect.) the articals are short and could never be used for informative purposes. My question is how can cp ever even compare to wikipedia. what do you think needs to be changened to help Cp thrive?- Serg1&lt;br /&gt;
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: One of the biggest concerns of Conservapedia is to counteract a perceived bias of Wikipedia. What this does not address, however, is that Conservapedia is inherently biased in the opposite direction. If it the concern is that it is believed that Wikipedia is biased, then the best counteraction can be to present true objective articles, not ones simply biased in the opposite direction. If Conservapedia can accomplish this, then it can succeed in it can find truth. Otherwise, it is just doing the same things it hates Wikipedia for. -Casi&lt;br /&gt;
::Quite so. Wikipedia bias is incidental and reflects the contributors, so that sc-fi is elevated far too highly. However, the aspiration is to impartiality. The intention here is for bias. -Stevendavy&lt;br /&gt;
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:Size alone is not the determining factor for Conservapedia.  Articles that put together a coherent and factual base of information are more strongly sought.  As is apparent, we don't wish to become [[Wikipedia]]; we feel there are many shortcomings in the way that system is run that prevent it from living up to its potential.  We don't want to compete with what they are, but would prefer to be what they should have been.&lt;br /&gt;
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:CP has continued to both grow and fill out articles.  Pop culture is not our primary concern, but that area has been growing as well.  While we certainly have areas where continued improvement is sought, many of the predictions of doom sounded in debate pages back around February and March are rather laughable when read today. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 01:53, 27 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I do understand that CP is a good idea(the conservative versiion of wikipedia) but really it hasnt met my standards of any wiki(the information on it is too short) I wish that CP can shadow other wikis and (as learn together stated) become what wikipedia should have been And stay that way. Another question is manifested through this conclusion though; How?-Serg1 07:27, 28 december 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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:::How do you eat an elephant? -- one bite at a time.  While there are a number of short articles, especially in helping to fill out categories and wikilinks, many of the articles that were short 9 months ago have been substantially expanded.  Any editors making positive contributions, yourself included, can have a hand in turning this site into the resource that was envisioned upon its creation.  Some areas, such as a fluid linking and category structure, have already seen great improvement and are becoming top rate.  With each day we continue to improve. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:42, 28 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Conservapedia is far too liberal to be any good. --[[User:Cranky Joe|Cranky Joe]] 06:43, 3 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Oh dear. I can't agree; Joe, I dare say you almost remind me of the obnoxious type of person that goes around claiming the [[New York Times]] has a conservative bias. In any case, I agree with Casi. The point here should not be to right a conservative article or go on a rant Because We Can. It should be to write an unbiased truth about something. And if we go off simply writing rants, then we will not be considered reliable. Unfortunately, I do think that 65% of the population will be uninterested in ''any'' site that openly identifies with an ideology, so that alone will disqualify CP from contention with WP. [[User:TheEvilSpartan|TheEvilSpartan]] 23:03, 3 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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It should never seek to become Wikipedia, and it never will. Wikipedia tries to be neutral as much as possible. Conservapedia is conservative by definition. Therefore, it will not be used by anyone who isn't a conservative American citizen. People from anywhere else in the world with any other political orientations will not use it. [[User:CappyR|CappyR]] 22:41, 6 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Conservapedia can certainly become as BIG as Wikipedia if not BIGGER. But CP should possibly consider renaming itself to something less biased than Conservapedia. Even though Wikipedia is extremely liberal, the name itself doesn't imply it. CP on the other hand announces it in it's name as a conservative only source. Perhaps CP should rename itself BiasFreepedia.com. That's my TWO cents. --[[User:Watchman|Watchman]] 23:21, 8 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I definitely agree with Casi, and coming from sort of the same direction is that Wikipedia is trying to be a real encycopledia with true information, not true information that is edited to make it suit someones views on how that information should be represented. It is twisting the truth, and that alone makes it unreliable as a mainstream encyclopedia. With that said I am sure many people come here to get the type of 'information' that they seek. I actually think it is rather sad that an encyclopedia used to be something you could rely on, and now it is just another forum for people with a certain way of thinking who are trying their best to make sure others end up with the same belief system as them. Information has nothing to do with opinions...--[[User:Truce|truce]] 20:38, 23 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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to Watchman, I doubt Wikipedia intended to be 'liberal'...it is just the way it has come about. This site intends to be conservative, so I don't think the name should be changed. If the name was changed to something less suspicious it would be deceiving people, unless that is of course what you want...just because you view the information here as being accurate because it accurately expresses your opinions on a subject doesn't make it the truth. --[[User:Truce|truce]] 20:38, 23 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I do not believe Conservapedia could ever become as big as Wikipedia and if it ever did I think it would be a great shame. A site condemning the 'liberal bias' and condoning conservative and Christian bias, discussing homosexuality, liberal views and atheism in a blatant negative manner only shows how small minded some people are. The fact that the site only allows for American English to be used only supports my theory that it has been organised and created by a group of fascists; whatever happened to freedom of speech? As a British atheist I can't say that I am a fan of this site and I dare say that the majority of British people, regardless of religion, will not be fans because of the site condemning the use of British English; this is why Conservapedia will never be as big as Wikipedia; they are cutting themselves off from potential users. Though I am sure they wouldn't want people who use the British spelling of the English language using their site...funny that us British are being told that our spelling of a language created by us is wrong, specially when the majority of English speaking country spells things our way; not the American. Also funny that Conservapedia exclusively promotes and supports creationism which would suggest that 'God' is omnipotent yet is against homosexuality...if one believes 'God' is omnipotent then one is saying that he/she/it created all life including those homosexuals but if homosexuality is right then surely one is criticising the work of 'God' and saying he/she/it made a mistake; I find that most interesting.&lt;br /&gt;
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Dear Brit--- Homosexuality is not the work of GOD, Homosexuality is a choice made by human beings. GOD has given us freedom of will to follow HIS teachings and will or not. You are assuming, without any scientific foundation, that homosexuality is genetic or biological, which the article on this site does not support nor does the scientific community. Reading the complete article first, so you can make an honest and intelligent argument, would be wise, so as not to look the fool. &lt;br /&gt;
Concerning the English language, their are many dialects, which result in multiple pronunciations and spellings of words. Your assertion that the rest of the English speaking world follows the British example is rubbish and purposefully deceitful.(a practice commonly used by liberals, due to their lack of core values, lose morals and low intelligence. And in your case, the lack of guts and fortitude to at least sign your online name.) The roots of the English language were indeed &amp;quot;invented&amp;quot; by the Anglo Saxons, with heavy influences from old Norse, German, and French. And as with many languages it has evolved over time, many words used in the U.K. are of American origin and vice versa. Further more, I am forced to use your spelling when I frequent British sites as well, but I'm not whining. Where is Winston Churchill when you need him?  Majorpain a.k.a. Mike.&lt;br /&gt;
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If the criteria for becoming as big as Wikipedia is as the angry atheist Brit has listed, then it's well worth NOT becoming like Wikipedia. Perhaps, it's the Brits that are polluting our online Wiki-resources with such liberal trash. Go George Washington! Cheers! --[[User:Watchman|Watchman]] 22:37, 13 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So many people coming to support the site are not welcome. This is why the site is in decline, the pointless anger against people who would support the poject. It is a problem. I acknowledge that some of my spelling has had to be 'corrected', but the deep suspision of anyone not like enough goes against the broadness stated in the word encyclopedia.[[User:Stevendavy|Stevendavy]] 20 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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For a start, articles should be licensed under GFDL or CC. Why should anyone be motivated to edit an encyclopedia ''for free'' when their work ends up being owned by that encyclopedia? If I edit conservapedia, can anyone guarantee that my work will not someday fall into someone's hands who will claim exclusive rights over it, without giving me compensation? No. The reason I edit wikipedia is not because I trust the people who run it, but because GFDL guarantees that this will never happen. The wikimedia foundation only owns the servers, not the information on them. If they became corrupt one day and decided to use wikipedia to their personal advantage, somebody would soon create a fork that isn't corrupt. The GFDL allows this. With conservapedia on the other hand there is no guarantee. [[User:Cambrasa|Cambrasa]] 12:22, 16 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The problem currently is that various articles are far too biased, and there are too many religious fundamentalists registered on this site. Case in point, historical articles such as &amp;quot;paper&amp;quot; barely has a single paragraph, whereas religious articles such as intelligent design/creationism/etc has many pages.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you really want to get people to read these articles for more than entertainment or a good laugh then you have to take the subjective entries out of your article text.  Too many of your articles on controversial issues end up being nothing more than politically and religiously charged attacks or refutes of direct text from Wikipedia.  Every article on here that has more than one line of explanation sounds like nothing more than an argument worthy of the opinion page of a bad news paper.  It’s not about being bias or not, it’s about presenting both sides of an argument with as much information as possible and allowing the reader to decide which side they believe.  This web site is a giant debate fueled by hate and promotion of fear.  For as much respect and love for religion that is expressed here there sure aren’t very many people that have learned from it.  So the truth might set you free but a strong opinion despite the facts just makes for good entertainment. --[[User:FactMan|FactMan]] 21:52, 25 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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Conservapedia in it self is a good idea, but it does have its own flaws, short articals( the page on G W bush on conservapedia is at least 1/8 the size of the wikipedia version) practically no articals on Popular culture(artists, video games, tv shows ect.) the articals are short and could never be used for informative purposes. My question is how can cp ever even compare to wikipedia. what do you think needs to be changened to help Cp thrive?- Serg1&lt;br /&gt;
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: One of the biggest concerns of Conservapedia is to counteract a perceived bias of Wikipedia. What this does not address, however, is that Conservapedia is inherently biased in the opposite direction. If it the concern is that it is believed that Wikipedia is biased, then the best counteraction can be to present true objective articles, not ones simply biased in the opposite direction. If Conservapedia can accomplish this, then it can succeed in it can find truth. Otherwise, it is just doing the same things it hates Wikipedia for. -Casi&lt;br /&gt;
::Quite so. Wikipedia bias is incidental and reflects the contributors, so that sc-fi is elevated far too highly. However, the aspiration is to impartiality. The intention here is for bias. -Stevendavy&lt;br /&gt;
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:Size alone is not the determining factor for Conservapedia.  Articles that put together a coherent and factual base of information are more strongly sought.  As is apparent, we don't wish to become [[Wikipedia]]; we feel there are many shortcomings in the way that system is run that prevent it from living up to its potential.  We don't want to compete with what they are, but would prefer to be what they should have been.&lt;br /&gt;
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:CP has continued to both grow and fill out articles.  Pop culture is not our primary concern, but that area has been growing as well.  While we certainly have areas where continued improvement is sought, many of the predictions of doom sounded in debate pages back around February and March are rather laughable when read today. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 01:53, 27 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I do understand that CP is a good idea(the conservative versiion of wikipedia) but really it hasnt met my standards of any wiki(the information on it is too short) I wish that CP can shadow other wikis and (as learn together stated) become what wikipedia should have been And stay that way. Another question is manifested through this conclusion though; How?-Serg1 07:27, 28 december 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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:::How do you eat an elephant? -- one bite at a time.  While there are a number of short articles, especially in helping to fill out categories and wikilinks, many of the articles that were short 9 months ago have been substantially expanded.  Any editors making positive contributions, yourself included, can have a hand in turning this site into the resource that was envisioned upon its creation.  Some areas, such as a fluid linking and category structure, have already seen great improvement and are becoming top rate.  With each day we continue to improve. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:42, 28 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Conservapedia is far too liberal to be any good. --[[User:Cranky Joe|Cranky Joe]] 06:43, 3 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Oh dear. I can't agree; Joe, I dare say you almost remind me of the obnoxious type of person that goes around claiming the [[New York Times]] has a conservative bias. In any case, I agree with Casi. The point here should not be to right a conservative article or go on a rant Because We Can. It should be to write an unbiased truth about something. And if we go off simply writing rants, then we will not be considered reliable. Unfortunately, I do think that 65% of the population will be uninterested in ''any'' site that openly identifies with an ideology, so that alone will disqualify CP from contention with WP. [[User:TheEvilSpartan|TheEvilSpartan]] 23:03, 3 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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It should never seek to become Wikipedia, and it never will. Wikipedia tries to be neutral as much as possible. Conservapedia is conservative by definition. Therefore, it will not be used by anyone who isn't a conservative American citizen. People from anywhere else in the world with any other political orientations will not use it. [[User:CappyR|CappyR]] 22:41, 6 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Conservapedia can certainly become as BIG as Wikipedia if not BIGGER. But CP should possibly consider renaming itself to something less biased than Conservapedia. Even though Wikipedia is extremely liberal, the name itself doesn't imply it. CP on the other hand announces it in it's name as a conservative only source. Perhaps CP should rename itself BiasFreepedia.com. That's my TWO cents. --[[User:Watchman|Watchman]] 23:21, 8 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree, the name(CP0 doesnt seem non biased&lt;br /&gt;
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I definitely agree with Casi, and coming from sort of the same direction is that Wikipedia is trying to be a real encycopledia with true information, not true information that is edited to make it suit someones views on how that information should be represented. It is twisting the truth, and that alone makes it unreliable as a mainstream encyclopedia. With that said I am sure many people come here to get the type of 'information' that they seek. I actually think it is rather sad that an encyclopedia used to be something you could rely on, and now it is just another forum for people with a certain way of thinking who are trying their best to make sure others end up with the same belief system as them. Information has nothing to do with opinions...--[[User:Truce|truce]] 20:38, 23 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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to Watchman, I doubt Wikipedia intended to be 'liberal'...it is just the way it has come about. This site intends to be conservative, so I don't think the name should be changed. If the name was changed to something less suspicious it would be deceiving people, unless that is of course what you want...just because you view the information here as being accurate because it accurately expresses your opinions on a subject doesn't make it the truth. --[[User:Truce|truce]] 20:38, 23 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I do not believe Conservapedia could ever become as big as Wikipedia and if it ever did I think it would be a great shame. A site condemning the 'liberal bias' and condoning conservative and Christian bias, discussing homosexuality, liberal views and atheism in a blatant negative manner only shows how small minded some people are. The fact that the site only allows for American English to be used only supports my theory that it has been organised and created by a group of fascists; whatever happened to freedom of speech? As a British atheist I can't say that I am a fan of this site and I dare say that the majority of British people, regardless of religion, will not be fans because of the site condemning the use of British English; this is why Conservapedia will never be as big as Wikipedia; they are cutting themselves off from potential users. Though I am sure they wouldn't want people who use the British spelling of the English language using their site...funny that us British are being told that our spelling of a language created by us is wrong, specially when the majority of English speaking country spells things our way; not the American. Also funny that Conservapedia exclusively promotes and supports creationism which would suggest that 'God' is omnipotent yet is against homosexuality...if one believes 'God' is omnipotent then one is saying that he/she/it created all life including those homosexuals but if homosexuality is right then surely one is criticising the work of 'God' and saying he/she/it made a mistake; I find that most interesting.&lt;br /&gt;
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Dear Brit--- Homosexuality is not the work of GOD, Homosexuality is a choice made by human beings. GOD has given us freedom of will to follow HIS teachings and will or not. You are assuming, without any scientific foundation, that homosexuality is genetic or biological, which the article on this site does not support nor does the scientific community. Reading the complete article first, so you can make an honest and intelligent argument, would be wise, so as not to look the fool. &lt;br /&gt;
Concerning the English language, their are many dialects, which result in multiple pronunciations and spellings of words. Your assertion that the rest of the English speaking world follows the British example is rubbish and purposefully deceitful.(a practice commonly used by liberals, due to their lack of core values, lose morals and low intelligence. And in your case, the lack of guts and fortitude to at least sign your online name.) The roots of the English language were indeed &amp;quot;invented&amp;quot; by the Anglo Saxons, with heavy influences from old Norse, German, and French. And as with many languages it has evolved over time, many words used in the U.K. are of American origin and vice versa. Further more, I am forced to use your spelling when I frequent British sites as well, but I'm not whining. Where is Winston Churchill when you need him?  Majorpain a.k.a. Mike.&lt;br /&gt;
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If the criteria for becoming as big as Wikipedia is as the angry atheist Brit has listed, then it's well worth NOT becoming like Wikipedia. Perhaps, it's the Brits that are polluting our online Wiki-resources with such liberal trash. Go George Washington! Cheers! --[[User:Watchman|Watchman]] 22:37, 13 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So many people coming to support the site are not welcome. This is why the site is in decline, the pointless anger against people who would support the poject. It is a problem. I acknowledge that some of my spelling has had to be 'corrected', but the deep suspision of anyone not like enough goes against the broadness stated in the word encyclopedia.[[User:Stevendavy|Stevendavy]] 20 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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For a start, articles should be licensed under GFDL or CC. Why should anyone be motivated to edit an encyclopedia ''for free'' when their work ends up being owned by that encyclopedia? If I edit conservapedia, can anyone guarantee that my work will not someday fall into someone's hands who will claim exclusive rights over it, without giving me compensation? No. The reason I edit wikipedia is not because I trust the people who run it, but because GFDL guarantees that this will never happen. The wikimedia foundation only owns the servers, not the information on them. If they became corrupt one day and decided to use wikipedia to their personal advantage, somebody would soon create a fork that isn't corrupt. The GFDL allows this. With conservapedia on the other hand there is no guarantee. [[User:Cambrasa|Cambrasa]] 12:22, 16 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The problem currently is that various articles are far too biased, and there are too many religious fundamentalists registered on this site. Case in point, historical articles such as &amp;quot;paper&amp;quot; barely has a single paragraph, whereas religious articles such as intelligent design/creationism/etc has many pages.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you really want to get people to read these articles for more than entertainment or a good laugh then you have to take the subjective entries out of your article text.  Too many of your articles on controversial issues end up being nothing more than politically and religiously charged attacks or refutes of direct text from Wikipedia.  Every article on here that has more than one line of explanation sounds like nothing more than an argument worthy of the opinion page of a bad news paper.  It’s not about being bias or not, it’s about presenting both sides of an argument with as much information as possible and allowing the reader to decide which side they believe.  This web site is a giant debate fueled by hate and promotion of fear.  For as much respect and love for religion that is expressed here there sure aren’t very many people that have learned from it.  So the truth might set you free but a strong opinion despite the facts just makes for good entertainment.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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'''Global warming''' is an increase in average air temperature in the [[Earth]]'s atmosphere. In the  modern period of global warming, a slight increase of {{temperature|0.8|1.4}} has been measured at weather stations throughout the world, since around 1850, when organized records began to be kept. &lt;br /&gt;
As far back as temperature records can be reconstructed, periods of global warming and global cooling have alternated; see [[ice age]]s and [[interglacial warming]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Since 1989, advocates have clashed on the issue of whether human beings are more responsible than nature for  modern periods of global warming; see &amp;quot;[[greenhouse warming]]&amp;quot; and [[global warming theory]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Some people predicted &amp;quot;global warming,&amp;quot; which has come to mean extreme [[greenhouse warming]] of the atmosphere leading to catastrophic environmental consequences. [http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Most non-scientific support for the global warming theory rests on popular accounts such as Al Gore's ''[[An Inconvenient Truth]]'' or on reports issued by the UN's [[IPCC]]. However, Keston Green of Monash University and Scott Armstrong of the Wharton School wrote that:&lt;br /&gt;
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*Because the forecasting processes examined in Chapter 8 overlook scientific evidence on forecasting, the IPCC forecasts of climate change are not scientific. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.forecastingprinciples.com/Public_Policy/WarmAudit31.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Politician [[Al Gore]] calls it a [[moral issue]], while scientist [[Richard Lindzen]] says, &amp;quot;It is probably the most immoral thing you could do to restrain energy so that the billions in the earth who don’t have access to electricity won't conveniently get it.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.americaabroadmedia.org/media/On%20line%20extra%20materials/Climate%20change%20-%20lindzen%20interview.doc&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
However, it is to be noted that many proponents of the theory propose energy conservation only until 'green' energy generation becomes predominant.{{Fact}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In the general, the term ''global warming'' can be used for any upward trend in the [[global mean temperature]], but it is mostly used to refer to the 1° F warming since 1850.&lt;br /&gt;
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The two sides are divided on whether this warming is a natural recovery from the [[Little Ice Age]] or a man-made environmental phenomenon. There are also debates regarding the potential positive or negative effects of a warming.&lt;br /&gt;
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Republicans and Democrats in the U.S. are evenly split on the issue. ''Boston Globe'' writer [[Ellen Goodman]] wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
* 23 percent of college-educated Republicans believe [[anthropogenic global warming theory|the warming is due to humans]], while 75 percent of college-educated Democrats believe it. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; [http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/02/09/no_change_in_political_climate/] &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Clinging to alarmist scenarios for which there is no evidence, is simply exploitation of public gullibility.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.iop.org/activity/groups/professional/emg/Newsletter/file_21729.doc The Nature of Arguments for Anthropogenic Global Warming], [[Richard Lindzen|Richard S. Lindzen]], ''Institute of Physics'', April 2007, page 11&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Modern Warm Period==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Artic 1979.jpg‎|left|thumb|275px|A computer projection comparing the Polar Ice Mass in 1979 (left) and 2000 (right).]]&lt;br /&gt;
Average [[Earth]] surface air temperature has risen about 1° F since 1970. &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Hansen's group at the Goddard Institute wrote, &amp;quot;Global warming is now 0.6&amp;amp;nbsp;°C [1.0&amp;amp;nbsp;°F] in the past three decades and 0.8&amp;amp;nbsp;°C [1.4&amp;amp;nbsp;°F] in the past century.&amp;quot; http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; How much of this is due to contamination of the temperature record from the [[urban heat island]] effect is hard to assess.  Efforts are currently underway to detect and remove this bias. Spurious warming trends that might be considered as global warming can occur almost anywhere. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://climatesci.colorado.edu/2006/01/29/do-urban-areas-have-larger-long-term-temperature-trends-than-other-locations/feed/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Nonetheless, controversy has persisted over the influence of urban warming on reported large-scale surface-air temperature trends. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://climatesci.colorado.edu/2006/01/29/do-urban-areas-have-larger-long-term-temperature-trends-than-other-locations/feed/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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According to temperature reconstruction made within an [[Old Earth]] paradigm, there have been many cycles of naturally-caused global warming and cooling over many millions of years (see [[climate cycles]]). Some scientists, including [[Richard Lindzen]] of [[MIT]], [[Sallie Baliunas]] of [[Harvard]] and [[Fred Singer]] (independent), say that the recent warming could be part of another natural cycle or random fluctuations in the atmosphere. However, many scientists also think that human activities were most likely the cause of the the planet's recent warming. &lt;br /&gt;
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A [[United Nations]] panel ([[IPCC]]) asserts that most of the warming since around 1850 is human-caused. Global warming proponents call this panel &amp;quot;authoritative&amp;quot;. Others question its objectivity, and a handful of scientists have resigned from the panel in protest over unauthorized changes in scientific reports. &lt;br /&gt;
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In February, 2007, the [[IPCC|Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change]], whose members were appointed by their governments, released their fourth assessment report on climate change. That report concluded that most of recent global warming was &amp;quot;very likely&amp;quot; caused by human activity&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6321351.stm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. It says that increases in atmospheric concentrations of [[greenhouse gas]]es cause warming. Several members of this panel later complained their contributions were misrepresented in the final report.&lt;br /&gt;
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In 2008, a study revealed that the worlds glaciers had shrunk an average of 4.9 feet in 2006, compared to an average of one foot a year from 1980 to 1999.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/weather/03/16/un.climate.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview Glaciers shrinking at record rate]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===IPCC controversy===&lt;br /&gt;
A reporter for the ''Chicago Tribune'' called the IPCC &amp;quot;the top body of climate change scientists in the world&amp;quot;. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0704280477apr29,1,4275902.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Fred Singer and other scientists dispute this view. &amp;lt;!-- I need to supply some quotes from Singer and Lindzen. The IPCC is not just scientists, in fact not even mostly climatologists. It supports a pre-ordained conclusion. It ignores contrary data. --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!-- Backing evidence for this claim? --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==False Claims of &amp;quot;Consensus&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Richard Lindzen]] wrote in 1992,&lt;br /&gt;
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:Indeed, a recent Gallup poll of climate scientists in the American Meteorological Society and in the American Geophysical Union shows that a vast majority doubts that there has been any identifiable man-caused warming to date (49 percent asserted no, 33 percent did not know, 18 percent thought some has occurred; however, among those actively involved in research and publishing frequently in peer-reviewed research journals, none believes that any man-caused global warming has been identified so far). &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Oddly enough, even though 82% of US climate scientists refused to support the global warming theory then, liberal activists were already claiming a scientific consensus for [[anthropogenic global warming]]. (It's hard to understand how 18 percent credence in ''any'' global warming translates into &amp;quot;consensus&amp;quot; support for ''human-caused'' global warming.)&lt;br /&gt;
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The campaign to convince the public (and their elected representatives) that the &amp;quot;science is settled&amp;quot; began in 1988 or 1989, shortly after the communist nations lost the Cold War.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!-- Irrelevant. Also lacking backing evidence. --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Hockey Stick Temperature Reconstruction==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Hockey stick chart ipcc.jpg|right|thumb|300px|The flawed Hockey Stick graph in a 2001 IPCC report shows blue proxy values along the &amp;quot;shaft&amp;quot; with red instrumental values superimposed as the &amp;quot;blade&amp;quot;.]]&lt;br /&gt;
One of the main pieces of evidence for anthropogenic global warming presented during the 3rd IPCC report was a temperature reconstruction done by climatologist [[Michael Mann]]. The resulting graph of the Northern Hemisphere temperature is shaped like a hockey stick, and it is used as evidence for the unusualness of the earth's temperature in the past few decades.  &lt;br /&gt;
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While dramatic, the graph encountered serious questions from the beginning.  It failed to reproduce two Northern Hemisphere climate episodes that were well documented in the literature, the Medieval Warm Period and The Little Ice Age (it should be noted that these were not global phenomenons, but were limited to Europe and Greenland; the Mann diagram concerned global average temperatures).   Concerned about these discrepancies, [[Stephen McIntyre]] and [[Canada|Canadian]] economist Ross McKitrick attempted to reproduce the result and discovered a serious flaw in the statistical methods used to construct the hockey stick graph.  Because of this, the 4th Assessment Report of the IPCC included several different temperature reconstruction methods instead of favoring just one hypothesis.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Natural Variability of the Climate System==&lt;br /&gt;
Evolutionary scientists who believe in global warming think that the Earth has experienced numerous [[Ice Age|ice age]]s over two million years, during which global temperatures dropped approximately {{temperature|6|11}} and then returned to normal. The frigid temperatures allowed ice sheets to expand southward, covering much of [[Asia]], [[Europe]], and [[North America]]. The cooling associated with ice ages is gradual, while the terminations are relatively rapid. However, even the rapid terminations of ice ages take centuries to millennia.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Natural Climate Change on Other Planets==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since the [[Viking spacecraft]] reached [[Mars]] in the 1970s until recent readings were taken, the average temperature on Mars has risen {{temperature|0.6|1.1}} just as the average temperature on the earth has risen.  Since human industrialization is clearly not to blame for the change on Mars, other causes are being considered.  One possibility is that dust storms are changing the albedo of the planet, allowing it to warm, while another possibility is that solar variations from the sun are causing the warming.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070404_gw_mars.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=17977&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Recently, it has also been found that similar to the Earth and Mars, [[Neptune]] is also undergoing global warming.  Measurements taken at the Lowell observatory in [[Arizona]] have shown an increase in Neptune's brightness and temperature since 1980 following the same pattern seen on Earth and Mars.  The researchers who discovered this warming suggest there may be a correlation between the warming and solar variations.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2007.../2006GL028764.shtml&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Pluto]] has also been found to be undergoing global warming.  The overall temperature increase on Pluto has been greater than that on the earth.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On the other hand [[Uranus]] has had no net change in temperature since 1977.  A rapid increase in temperature reversed itself.  The reasons for this are not understood.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~layoung/eprint/ur149/Young2001Uranus.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Politics of Global Warming==&lt;br /&gt;
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'Global Warming Now World's Most Boring Topic’ &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://newsbusters.org/node/14167&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The need to fight &amp;quot;global warming&amp;quot; has become part of the dogma of the liberal conscience. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Clearly, &amp;quot;global warming&amp;quot; is a tempting issue for many very important groups to exploit. &lt;br /&gt;
... dealing with the threat of warming fits in with a great variety of preexisting agendas [like] dissatisfaction with industrial society (neopastoralism), ... governmental desires for enhanced revenues (carbon taxes), and bureaucratic desires for enhanced power. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The global average surface temperature warmed about 0.9&amp;amp;nbsp;°F over the second half of the 20th Century.&lt;br /&gt;
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Assessments of climate science by the [[United Nations]] (see [[IPCC]] - ''Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change'')&lt;br /&gt;
have claimed that scientists are 90% sure that over 50% of the observed global warming in recent decades is human-caused, and that continued global warming should be expected over at least the next century. ''Science'' published a literature search by Naomi Oreskes concluding that &amp;quot;scientific consensus&amp;quot; supports the IPCC reports. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Several prominent scientists have pointed out the [[politicized science]] of the UN's assessment methods. The scientific reports are submitted to a panel of representatives appointed by each country in the IPCC. Several scientists whose research demonstrates that climate change is taking place have complained about their work being misrepresented by the U.N.&lt;br /&gt;
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*In addition, a number of the participants have testified to the pressures placed on them to emphasize results supportive of the current scenario and to suppress other results. That pressure has frequently been effective, and a survey of participants reveals substantial disagreement with the final report. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Richard Lindzen wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
:Perhaps more important are the pressures being brought to bear on scientists to get the &amp;quot;right&amp;quot; results. Such pressures are inevitable, given how far out on a limb much of the scientific community has gone. The situation is compounded by the fact that some of the strongest proponents of &amp;quot;global warming&amp;quot; in Congress are also among the major supporters of science (Sen. Gore is notable among those). &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Al Gore's Claims==&lt;br /&gt;
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*Gore claims that Himalayan glaciers are shrinking and global warming is to blame. Yet the September 2006 issue of the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate reported, &amp;quot;Glaciers are growing in the Himalayan Mountains, confounding global warming alarmists who recently claimed the glaciers were shrinking and that global warming was to blame.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/450392,CST-EDT-REF30b.article&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!-- This is wrong. Read the paper and you will see that it never claimed anything which contradicted global warming theory; indeed, the anomalous growing of these particular glaciers was expected. --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*Gore claims the snowcap atop Africa's Mt. Kilimanjaro is shrinking and that global warming is to blame. Yet according to the November 23, 2003, issue of Nature magazine, &amp;quot;Although it's tempting to blame the ice loss on global warming, researchers think that deforestation of the mountain's foothills is the more likely culprit. Without the forests' humidity, previously moisture-laden winds blew dry. No longer replenished with water, the ice is evaporating in the strong equatorial sunshine.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/450392,CST-EDT-REF30b.article&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*Gore claims global warming is causing more tornadoes. Yet the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change stated in February that there has been no scientific link established between global warming and tornadoes. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/450392,CST-EDT-REF30b.article&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Scientists ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Rogerrevelle.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Roger Revelle]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| valign=&amp;quot;top&amp;quot; width=&amp;quot;35%&amp;quot;|&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Roger Revelle]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Achim Steiner]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Fred Singer]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Richard Lindzen]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sallie Baliunas]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Lonnie Thompson]]&lt;br /&gt;
| valign=&amp;quot;top&amp;quot; width=&amp;quot;33%&amp;quot;|&lt;br /&gt;
* [[James E. Hansen]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Michael Mann]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Charles Keeling]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Edwin A. Hernández-Delgado]]&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Anthropogenic global warming theory]] &lt;br /&gt;
*[[Global Warming Controversy]] &lt;br /&gt;
*[[Politics of global warming]] &lt;br /&gt;
*[[Liberal_hysteria#Global_Warming_Derangement_Syndrome|Global Warming Derangement Syndrome]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Socialist Environmental Disasters]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[An Inconvenient Truth]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Previous Breaking News/Global Warming|Articles about '''Global Warming''' from previous &amp;quot;Breaking News&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[More News/Global Warming|Articles about '''Global Warming''' from &amp;quot;More News&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==External Links==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://global-warming.accuweather.com/2007/12/attempting_to_stop_global_warm_1.html Attempting to Stop Global Warming is Futile and a Mistake, says letter to the UN]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=164004 Signatories of an open letter on the UN climate-conference]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://schwinger.harvard.edu/~motl/global-temperature-not-exist.pdf Does a global temperature exist?], ''Journal of Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics'', June 2007.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,2032821,00.html The appliance of science] by Mike Hulme.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.climatecrisis.net/ ''An Inconvenient Truth''], Film by [[Al Gore]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2332531355859226455&amp;amp;q=great+global+warming+swindle ''The Great Global Warming Swindle'' - Documentary Film]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.physics.harvard.edu/%7Emotl/iris-effect.pdf Climate Sensitivity and Observed Negative Feedbacks], lecture by Richard Lindzen and Roberto Rondanelli.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.physics.harvard.edu/%7Emotl/lindzen-nature-of-arguments.pdf Nature of Arguments for Anthropogenic Global Warming], by Richard Lindzen&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.independent.org/store/book_detail.asp?bookID=42 ''Hot Talk, Cold Science: Global Warmings's Unfinished Debate'', by S. Fred Singer]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific Consensus] - [[Richard S. Lindzen]], Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the [[Massachusetts Institute of Technology]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?issueID=47&amp;amp;articleID=604 &amp;quot;Should We Have Acted Thirty Years Ago to Prevent Climate Change?&amp;quot;, by Randall G. Holcombe].&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?issueID=25&amp;amp;articleID=296 &amp;quot;After Kyoto: A Global Scramble for Advantage,&amp;quot; by Bruce Yandle].&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=2319 The physical evidence of earth's unstoppable 1,500-year climate cycle]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=1714 &amp;quot;Is There a Basis for Global Warming Alarm?&amp;quot;, by Richard Lindzen]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.independent.org/publications/policy_reports/detail.asp?type=full&amp;amp;id=5 &amp;quot;New Perspectives in Climate Change: What the EPA Isn’t Telling Us&amp;quot;]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=17181 Survey Shows Climatologists Are Split on Global Warming]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.magma.ca/~hurleyp/FightingTheHoax.htm Fighting the Hoax]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.climateaudit.org Climate Audit], Steve McIntyre's blog&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.realclimate.org Real Climate], blog by a group of climatologists including Michael Mann&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Critique of the Hockey Stick Reconstruction===&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/mcintyre.mckitrick.2003.pdf Corrections To The Mann et. al. (1998) Proxy Data Base And Northern Hemispheric Average Temperature Series] by Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick, ''Energy &amp;amp; Enviornment'' volume 14, 2003.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2007/05/the_decay_of_the_hockey_stick.html The Decay of the Hockey Stick by Von Storch] published on the journal ''Nature'''s blog, May 3, 2007.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/13830/ A Global Warming Bombshell] by Richard A. Muller, ''Technology Review'' , Oct. 2004; calls into question famous graph by Michael Mann.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/306/5696/679 Reconstructing Past Climate from Noisy Data] by Hans von Storch, Eduardo Zorita, Julie M. Jones, Yegor Dimitriev, Fidel González-Rouco, Simon F. B. Tett, ''Science'' magazine, 22 October 2004.&lt;br /&gt;
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