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Debate:What is the Sabbath day?

2007-05-11T13:07:50Z

Djconklin:

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This is a topic that interests me. I identify as a Seventh-Day Adventist, although I only hold loosely to some of the teachings of the church. I personally believe the Sabbath day to be Saturday, the 7th day of the week in the traditional calendar, and the day of the Jewish Sabbath. I was a bit surprised to find that Conservapedia's article on the [[Sabbath]] asserted that the "date given by Moses has been lost". (I'd correct that, but I'm a bit wary about introducing my own biases, which may not be quite what the project wants.) In either case, I figured this was a good topic for debate. What day is the Sabbath day, or does it even matter in the life of the Christian? --[[User:Blu Aardvark|Blu Aardvark]] 09:20, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

:Genesis 2:2 "By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done." In the biblical sense, Sabbath has much more meaning than just a day of the week. There were also 7 year sabbaths and 50 year sabbaths. I'm no expert at this, but I believe these were also referred to as the Year of Jubilee. Christians meet on Sunday (first day of the week) because that is the day they believe that Christ rose from the grave. --[[User:Ymmotrojam|Ymmotrojam]] 15:45, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

:The sabbath day is from Friday at sundown until Saturday at sundown, local time. The Jews are quite meticulous about ensuring their law is transmitted from one generation to the next without error, and one law commands the sabbath to be remembered. As far as Christians are concerned, Paul said, (Col.2:16) "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" [[User:Teresita|Teresita]] 17:12, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

The Sabbath Day depends on what calander you're using--solar or lunar. Our comprehension of what day is which is thrown off by the fact that we have an extra day every 4 years to keep the calender sensical, which might also affect the Sabbath. It seems to be more important to observe rest and the power of God every seven days than to quibble about which of the seven it is. I seriously doubt God is going to scold you for not being a historical mathmatician and damning you for observing on the wrong day.

Really the Sabbath Day is any day that the Lord has deemed as Holy. The original holy day was the day that God rested. Jews believe this to be Saturday while Christians like to think of it as Sunday. It could be either it's more likely to be Saturday since the Christian calender has been altered so many times over the centries.[[User: Dfairlyxed13|Dfairlyxed13]]

We should note that none of the calendar changes over the centuries has ever altered the weekly cycle.[[User:djconklin|djconklin]] 8:04, 11 May 2007(CST)

I agree with the above--that the Sabbath was initially instituted as the seventh day of the week as recorded in the Old Testament, and that it was Saturday. Now whether it remains to be Saturday or has been changed to Sunday is up for debate. It is also up for debate whether the Sabbath should still be kept. First of all, I think that it is more important to keep the spirit of the law over the letter; in other words, I think that it is more important to demonstrate love to all people than to keep all the laws. If one keeps all the laws, they keep them for themselves in a sense--either demonstrating, or attesting thier righteousness. Unless ofcourse it is the laws that pertain to the gracious treatment of others such as ''loving thy neighbor, not commiting adultery, not stealing, nor lying, nor falsely testifying''. In other words, ''"treating others the way that you would like them to treat you"'' These are all good commands to keep. However, I believe that it is impossible to attain a righteousness without love which would properly prepare one for heaven. This is attested in 1 Corinthians when the Apostle Paul basically says that one could perform all kinds of various acts of ''love and kindness'' to others that would be basically useless or worthless if not done in ''the spirit of love''. Now concerning the fourth commandment--the Sabbath. It began as historical day of rest and as a commandment from God or Yahweh to Moses--the Leader of the Israelites around 1500 BC, to be observed by everybody. I believe that "This day was affirmed in the New Testament while Jesus was in the Earth after his crucifixion, "[the disciples] rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23.56). The fact that the Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament in the context of Jesus' death and resurrection not only affirms the Sabbath as still being efficacious for believers, but it also affirms the day as the Seventh since it says "according to the commandment", namely the fourth commandment-- "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" (Exod. 20.11. Now concerning my own thoughts, I think that it is good to keep the Sabbath for several reasons. First of all, it is good to keep it because of the commandment, so it must be good. Secondly, I think that our bodies, minds, and spirits need to have a break every week from the stresses and strains that we go through. We need time to heal and to rebuild. More later. Feel free to respond. [Petrarcah]--[[User:Petrarcah|Petrarcah]] 13:48, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

My view is that Christians have leeway to do whatever they want on the Sabbath. Colossians 2:16-17 says: Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 13:50, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Paul isn't talking about the seventh-day Sabbath in Col. 2:16-17. The passage refers to outsiders (''i.e.'', non-Christians) judging the believers for their eating and drinking on (''en merei'') the feast days, new moons and ceremonial sabbaths. For more details see http://www.666man.net/Colossians_2_16-17_By_David_Conklin/colintro.html. [[User:djconklin|djconklin]] 8:04, 11 May 2007 (CST)

Debate:What is the Sabbath day?

2007-05-11T13:06:41Z

Djconklin:

{{debate}}

This is a topic that interests me. I identify as a Seventh-Day Adventist, although I only hold loosely to some of the teachings of the church. I personally believe the Sabbath day to be Saturday, the 7th day of the week in the traditional calendar, and the day of the Jewish Sabbath. I was a bit surprised to find that Conservapedia's article on the [[Sabbath]] asserted that the "date given by Moses has been lost". (I'd correct that, but I'm a bit wary about introducing my own biases, which may not be quite what the project wants.) In either case, I figured this was a good topic for debate. What day is the Sabbath day, or does it even matter in the life of the Christian? --[[User:Blu Aardvark|Blu Aardvark]] 09:20, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

:Genesis 2:2 "By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done." In the biblical sense, Sabbath has much more meaning than just a day of the week. There were also 7 year sabbaths and 50 year sabbaths. I'm no expert at this, but I believe these were also referred to as the Year of Jubilee. Christians meet on Sunday (first day of the week) because that is the day they believe that Christ rose from the grave. --[[User:Ymmotrojam|Ymmotrojam]] 15:45, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

:The sabbath day is from Friday at sundown until Saturday at sundown, local time. The Jews are quite meticulous about ensuring their law is transmitted from one generation to the next without error, and one law commands the sabbath to be remembered. As far as Christians are concerned, Paul said, (Col.2:16) "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" [[User:Teresita|Teresita]] 17:12, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

The Sabbath Day depends on what calander you're using--solar or lunar. Our comprehension of what day is which is thrown off by the fact that we have an extra day every 4 years to keep the calender sensical, which might also affect the Sabbath. It seems to be more important to observe rest and the power of God every seven days than to quibble about which of the seven it is. I seriously doubt God is going to scold you for not being a historical mathmatician and damning you for observing on the wrong day.

Really the Sabbath Day is any day that the Lord has deemed as Holy. The original holy day was the day that God rested. Jews believe this to be Saturday while Christians like to think of it as Sunday. It could be either it's more likely to be Saturday since the Christian calender has been altered so many times over the centries.[[User: Dfairlyxed13|Dfairlyxed13]]

We should note that none of the calendar changes over the centuries has ever altered the weekly cycle.[[User: djconklin|djconklin]] 8:04, 11 May 2007(CST)

I agree with the above--that the Sabbath was initially instituted as the seventh day of the week as recorded in the Old Testament, and that it was Saturday. Now whether it remains to be Saturday or has been changed to Sunday is up for debate. It is also up for debate whether the Sabbath should still be kept. First of all, I think that it is more important to keep the spirit of the law over the letter; in other words, I think that it is more important to demonstrate love to all people than to keep all the laws. If one keeps all the laws, they keep them for themselves in a sense--either demonstrating, or attesting thier righteousness. Unless ofcourse it is the laws that pertain to the gracious treatment of others such as ''loving thy neighbor, not commiting adultery, not stealing, nor lying, nor falsely testifying''. In other words, ''"treating others the way that you would like them to treat you"'' These are all good commands to keep. However, I believe that it is impossible to attain a righteousness without love which would properly prepare one for heaven. This is attested in 1 Corinthians when the Apostle Paul basically says that one could perform all kinds of various acts of ''love and kindness'' to others that would be basically useless or worthless if not done in ''the spirit of love''. Now concerning the fourth commandment--the Sabbath. It began as historical day of rest and as a commandment from God or Yahweh to Moses--the Leader of the Israelites around 1500 BC, to be observed by everybody. I believe that "This day was affirmed in the New Testament while Jesus was in the Earth after his crucifixion, "[the disciples] rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23.56). The fact that the Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament in the context of Jesus' death and resurrection not only affirms the Sabbath as still being efficacious for believers, but it also affirms the day as the Seventh since it says "according to the commandment", namely the fourth commandment-- "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" (Exod. 20.11. Now concerning my own thoughts, I think that it is good to keep the Sabbath for several reasons. First of all, it is good to keep it because of the commandment, so it must be good. Secondly, I think that our bodies, minds, and spirits need to have a break every week from the stresses and strains that we go through. We need time to heal and to rebuild. More later. Feel free to respond. [Petrarcah]--[[User:Petrarcah|Petrarcah]] 13:48, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

My view is that Christians have leeway to do whatever they want on the Sabbath. Colossians 2:16-17 says: Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 13:50, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Paul isn't talking about the seventh-day Sabbath in Col. 2:16-17. The passage refers to outsiders (''i.e.'', non-Christians) judging the believers for their eating and drinking on (''en merei'') the feast days, new moons and ceremonial sabbaths. For more details see http://www.666man.net/Colossians_2_16-17_By_David_Conklin/colintro.html. [[User: djconklin|djconklin]] 8:04, 11 May 2007 (CST)

Debate:What is the Sabbath day?

2007-05-11T13:05:05Z

Djconklin:

{{debate}}

This is a topic that interests me. I identify as a Seventh-Day Adventist, although I only hold loosely to some of the teachings of the church. I personally believe the Sabbath day to be Saturday, the 7th day of the week in the traditional calendar, and the day of the Jewish Sabbath. I was a bit surprised to find that Conservapedia's article on the [[Sabbath]] asserted that the "date given by Moses has been lost". (I'd correct that, but I'm a bit wary about introducing my own biases, which may not be quite what the project wants.) In either case, I figured this was a good topic for debate. What day is the Sabbath day, or does it even matter in the life of the Christian? --[[User:Blu Aardvark|Blu Aardvark]] 09:20, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

:Genesis 2:2 "By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done." In the biblical sense, Sabbath has much more meaning than just a day of the week. There were also 7 year sabbaths and 50 year sabbaths. I'm no expert at this, but I believe these were also referred to as the Year of Jubilee. Christians meet on Sunday (first day of the week) because that is the day they believe that Christ rose from the grave. --[[User:Ymmotrojam|Ymmotrojam]] 15:45, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

:The sabbath day is from Friday at sundown until Saturday at sundown, local time. The Jews are quite meticulous about ensuring their law is transmitted from one generation to the next without error, and one law commands the sabbath to be remembered. As far as Christians are concerned, Paul said, (Col.2:16) "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" [[User:Teresita|Teresita]] 17:12, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

The Sabbath Day depends on what calander you're using--solar or lunar. Our comprehension of what day is which is thrown off by the fact that we have an extra day every 4 years to keep the calender sensical, which might also affect the Sabbath. It seems to be more important to observe rest and the power of God every seven days than to quibble about which of the seven it is. I seriously doubt God is going to scold you for not being a historical mathmatician and damning you for observing on the wrong day.

Really the Sabbath Day is any day that the Lord has deemed as Holy. The original holy day was the day that God rested. Jews believe this to be Saturday while Christians like to think of it as Sunday. It could be either it's more likely to be Saturday since the Christian calender has been altered so many times over the centries.[[User: Dfairlyxed13|Dfairlyxed13]]

We should note that none of the calendar changes over the centuries has ever altered the weekly cycle.[[User: djconklin|djconklin]] 8:04, 11 May 2007)

I agree with the above--that the Sabbath was initially instituted as the seventh day of the week as recorded in the Old Testament, and that it was Saturday. Now whether it remains to be Saturday or has been changed to Sunday is up for debate. It is also up for debate whether the Sabbath should still be kept. First of all, I think that it is more important to keep the spirit of the law over the letter; in other words, I think that it is more important to demonstrate love to all people than to keep all the laws. If one keeps all the laws, they keep them for themselves in a sense--either demonstrating, or attesting thier righteousness. Unless ofcourse it is the laws that pertain to the gracious treatment of others such as ''loving thy neighbor, not commiting adultery, not stealing, nor lying, nor falsely testifying''. In other words, ''"treating others the way that you would like them to treat you"'' These are all good commands to keep. However, I believe that it is impossible to attain a righteousness without love which would properly prepare one for heaven. This is attested in 1 Corinthians when the Apostle Paul basically says that one could perform all kinds of various acts of ''love and kindness'' to others that would be basically useless or worthless if not done in ''the spirit of love''. Now concerning the fourth commandment--the Sabbath. It began as historical day of rest and as a commandment from God or Yahweh to Moses--the Leader of the Israelites around 1500 BC, to be observed by everybody. I believe that "This day was affirmed in the New Testament while Jesus was in the Earth after his crucifixion, "[the disciples] rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23.56). The fact that the Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament in the context of Jesus' death and resurrection not only affirms the Sabbath as still being efficacious for believers, but it also affirms the day as the Seventh since it says "according to the commandment", namely the fourth commandment-- "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" (Exod. 20.11. Now concerning my own thoughts, I think that it is good to keep the Sabbath for several reasons. First of all, it is good to keep it because of the commandment, so it must be good. Secondly, I think that our bodies, minds, and spirits need to have a break every week from the stresses and strains that we go through. We need time to heal and to rebuild. More later. Feel free to respond. [Petrarcah]--[[User:Petrarcah|Petrarcah]] 13:48, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

My view is that Christians have leeway to do whatever they want on the Sabbath. Colossians 2:16-17 says: Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 13:50, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Paul isn't talking about the seventh-day Sabbath in Col. 2:16-17. The passage refers to outsiders (''i.e.'', non-Christians) judging the believers for their eating and drinking on (''en merei'') the feast days, new moons and ceremonial sabbaths. For more details see http://www.666man.net/Colossians_2_16-17_By_David_Conklin/colintro.html .[[User: djconklin|djconklin]] 8:04, 11 May 2007)

Debate:What is the Sabbath day?

2007-05-11T13:02:54Z

Djconklin: add my own comments

{{debate}}

This is a topic that interests me. I identify as a Seventh-Day Adventist, although I only hold loosely to some of the teachings of the church. I personally believe the Sabbath day to be Saturday, the 7th day of the week in the traditional calendar, and the day of the Jewish Sabbath. I was a bit surprised to find that Conservapedia's article on the [[Sabbath]] asserted that the "date given by Moses has been lost". (I'd correct that, but I'm a bit wary about introducing my own biases, which may not be quite what the project wants.) In either case, I figured this was a good topic for debate. What day is the Sabbath day, or does it even matter in the life of the Christian? --[[User:Blu Aardvark|Blu Aardvark]] 09:20, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

:Genesis 2:2 "By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done." In the biblical sense, Sabbath has much more meaning than just a day of the week. There were also 7 year sabbaths and 50 year sabbaths. I'm no expert at this, but I believe these were also referred to as the Year of Jubilee. Christians meet on Sunday (first day of the week) because that is the day they believe that Christ rose from the grave. --[[User:Ymmotrojam|Ymmotrojam]] 15:45, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

:The sabbath day is from Friday at sundown until Saturday at sundown, local time. The Jews are quite meticulous about ensuring their law is transmitted from one generation to the next without error, and one law commands the sabbath to be remembered. As far as Christians are concerned, Paul said, (Col.2:16) "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" [[User:Teresita|Teresita]] 17:12, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

The Sabbath Day depends on what calander you're using--solar or lunar. Our comprehension of what day is which is thrown off by the fact that we have an extra day every 4 years to keep the calender sensical, which might also affect the Sabbath. It seems to be more important to observe rest and the power of God every seven days than to quibble about which of the seven it is. I seriously doubt God is going to scold you for not being a historical mathmatician and damning you for observing on the wrong day.

Really the Sabbath Day is any day that the Lord has deemed as Holy. The original holy day was the day that God rested. Jews believe this to be Saturday while Christians like to think of it as Sunday. It could be either it's more likely to be Saturday since the Christian calender has been altered so many times over the centries.[[User: Dfairlyxed13|Dfairlyxed13]]

None of the calendar changes over the centuries has ever altered the weekly cycle.

I agree with the above--that the Sabbath was initially instituted as the seventh day of the week as recorded in the Old Testament, and that it was Saturday. Now whether it remains to be Saturday or has been changed to Sunday is up for debate. It is also up for debate whether the Sabbath should still be kept. First of all, I think that it is more important to keep the spirit of the law over the letter; in other words, I think that it is more important to demonstrate love to all people than to keep all the laws. If one keeps all the laws, they keep them for themselves in a sense--either demonstrating, or attesting thier righteousness. Unless ofcourse it is the laws that pertain to the gracious treatment of others such as ''loving thy neighbor, not commiting adultery, not stealing, nor lying, nor falsely testifying''. In other words, ''"treating others the way that you would like them to treat you"'' These are all good commands to keep. However, I believe that it is impossible to attain a righteousness without love which would properly prepare one for heaven. This is attested in 1 Corinthians when the Apostle Paul basically says that one could perform all kinds of various acts of ''love and kindness'' to others that would be basically useless or worthless if not done in ''the spirit of love''. Now concerning the fourth commandment--the Sabbath. It began as historical day of rest and as a commandment from God or Yahweh to Moses--the Leader of the Israelites around 1500 BC, to be observed by everybody. I believe that "This day was affirmed in the New Testament while Jesus was in the Earth after his crucifixion, "[the disciples] rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23.56). The fact that the Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament in the context of Jesus' death and resurrection not only affirms the Sabbath as still being efficacious for believers, but it also affirms the day as the Seventh since it says "according to the commandment", namely the fourth commandment-- "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" (Exod. 20.11. Now concerning my own thoughts, I think that it is good to keep the Sabbath for several reasons. First of all, it is good to keep it because of the commandment, so it must be good. Secondly, I think that our bodies, minds, and spirits need to have a break every week from the stresses and strains that we go through. We need time to heal and to rebuild. More later. Feel free to respond. [Petrarcah]--[[User:Petrarcah|Petrarcah]] 13:48, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

My view is that Christians have leeway to do whatever they want on the Sabbath. Colossians 2:16-17 says: Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 13:50, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Paul isn't talking about the seventh-day Sabbath in Col. 2:16-17. The passage refers to outsiders (''i.e.'', non-Christians) judging the believers for their eating and drinking on (''en merei'') the feast days, new moons and ceremonial sabbaths. For more details see http://www.666man.net/Colossians_2_16-17_By_David_Conklin/colintro.html

Sabbath

2007-05-11T12:54:22Z

Djconklin: clarified the weekly cycle

In the Bible, the Sabbath is a weekly religious day of rest as ordained by one of the Ten Commandments: the third commandment by Eastern, Roman Catholic and Lutheran numbering, the fourth by other Protestants.

For many Christians, the day of Sabbath is Sunday. Other Christians observe the Biblical Sabbath on Saturday (actually sundown Friday to sundown Saturday).

While it has been suggested that the exact date given to Moses has been lost this does not bear up under scrutiny. The weekly cycle has never been changed or lost and the seventh day of the week is known as "sabbath" in over 100 languages--http://www.seventh-day.org/chartweek.htm.

According to the Bible, the Sabbath must be taken very seriously. Breaking the Sabbath is just cause for death according to '''Numbers 15:32-56'''

''They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. ''

However, Jesus Christ implied the the Sabbath, and all Biblical edicts, could be broken under extreme situations, according to '''Matthew 12:1-9'''

12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. 
12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 
12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 
12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 
12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 
12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 
12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 
12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. 
12:9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:

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