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Obama inauguration

2009-01-30T21:14:30Z

CherylE: Fixed source title

The '''Obama inauguration''' signaled the conclusion of the Bush administration by the swearing-in ceremony of president-elect [[Barack Hussein Obama]], and [[Joe Biden|Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden, Jr.]] as Vice President, on Tuesday January 20th, 2009 at 12:00 p.m. EST. 1.8 million people came to [[Washington D.C.]] to watch it, the largest crowd ever assembled for a presidential inauguration since Lyndon B. Johnson's inauguration speech in 1965.<ref>[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/21/AR2009012103884.html/13/2009-01-13_obamas_inauguration_is_most_expensive_ev.html D.C.'s Inauguration Head Count: 1.8 Million] NY Daily News, January 14th 2009</ref>

==Cost==
The cost of Obama's inauguration may have exceeded $160 million dollars. In comparison, the cost for George W. Bush's 2005 inauguration is listed as $44 million.

The comments from the liberal mainstream media in 2005; <ref>[http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=10&SubSectionID=10&ArticleID=9029 The American people need a leader] LakelandTimes.com</ref>

*"Republicans spending $42 million on inauguration while troops Die in unarmored Humvees"
*"Bush extravagance exceeds any reason during tough economic times"
*"Fat cats get their $42 million inauguration party, Ordinary Americans get the shaft."

The comments from the liberal mainstream media in 2009;
*"Obama Spends $120 million on inauguration; America Needs A Big Party"
*"Everyman Obama shows America how to celebrate"
*"Historic Obama Inauguration will cost only $120 million"

==Controversy==
*While inviting a [[Christian]] to give an inaugural prayer is not so controversial, the [[gay]] community is in an uproar over the invite to [[evangelical]] pastor [[Rick Warren]]. Pastor Warren voted for [[Prop 8]] in his home of [[California]]. <ref>[http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4BH7DR20081218 Obama's next pastor controversy - at inauguration] Reuters, December 18, 2008</ref>

*Rev. Sharon Watkins of [[Protestant]] Christian denomination gave an an opening prayer. She is the first woman pastor of a religious faith to give an inaugural prayer. <ref>[http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-obama-prayer-service,0,7764780.story Female minister to deliver sermon at inaugural prayer service, a first] AP, January 11, 2009</ref>

*Openly gay Bishop V. Gene Robinson from [[New Hampshire]] prayed at a concert held two days before the inauguration. Bishop Robinson was among those responsible for the breakup of the [[American]] [[Episcopal]] Church over the issue of gay pastors. <ref>[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/13/gay-bishop-to-offer-obama-inaugural-prayers/ Gay bishop to give Inaugural prayer] Washington Times, January 13, 2009</ref>

*Ingrid Mattson, president of the [[Islamic Society of North America]], was invited to give an inaugural prayer. Mattson's group says it does not condone [[terrorism]]. The Holy Land Foundation and five of its former leaders were convicted of funneling millions of dollars to [[Hamas]], for which the ISNA funded and supported. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/17/feds-say-obama-prayer-leader-group-linked-hamas/ Feds Say Obama Prayer Leader Is From Group Linked to Hamas] Fox News, January 17, 2009</ref>

*In an additional break with Obama's predecessors, no [[Catholic]] or [[Jewish]] speaker wass invited to give an inaugural prayer.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Obama Administration]]

Obama inauguration

2009-01-30T21:13:21Z

CherylE: /* Cost */

The '''Obama inauguration''' signaled the conclusion of the Bush administration by the swearing-in ceremony of president-elect [[Barack Hussein Obama]], and [[Joe Biden|Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden, Jr.]] as Vice President, on Tuesday January 20th, 2009 at 12:00 p.m. EST. 1.8 million people came to [[Washington D.C.]] to watch it, the largest crowd ever assembled for a presidential inauguration since Lyndon B. Johnson's inauguration speech in 1965.<ref>[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/21/AR2009012103884.html/13/2009-01-13_obamas_inauguration_is_most_expensive_ev.html D.C.'s Inauguration Head Count: 1.8 Million] NY Daily News, January 14th 2009</ref>

==Cost==
The cost of Obama's inauguration may have exceeded $160 million dollars. In comparison, the cost for George W. Bush's 2005 inauguration is listed as $44 million.

The comments from the liberal mainstream media in 2005; <ref>[http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=10&SubSectionID=10&ArticleID=9029 Obama / Bush Inauguration Cost Comparison] LakelandTimes.com</ref>

*"Republicans spending $42 million on inauguration while troops Die in unarmored Humvees"
*"Bush extravagance exceeds any reason during tough economic times"
*"Fat cats get their $42 million inauguration party, Ordinary Americans get the shaft."

The comments from the liberal mainstream media in 2009;
*"Obama Spends $120 million on inauguration; America Needs A Big Party"
*"Everyman Obama shows America how to celebrate"
*"Historic Obama Inauguration will cost only $120 million"

==Controversy==
*While inviting a [[Christian]] to give an inaugural prayer is not so controversial, the [[gay]] community is in an uproar over the invite to [[evangelical]] pastor [[Rick Warren]]. Pastor Warren voted for [[Prop 8]] in his home of [[California]]. <ref>[http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4BH7DR20081218 Obama's next pastor controversy - at inauguration] Reuters, December 18, 2008</ref>

*Rev. Sharon Watkins of [[Protestant]] Christian denomination gave an an opening prayer. She is the first woman pastor of a religious faith to give an inaugural prayer. <ref>[http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-obama-prayer-service,0,7764780.story Female minister to deliver sermon at inaugural prayer service, a first] AP, January 11, 2009</ref>

*Openly gay Bishop V. Gene Robinson from [[New Hampshire]] prayed at a concert held two days before the inauguration. Bishop Robinson was among those responsible for the breakup of the [[American]] [[Episcopal]] Church over the issue of gay pastors. <ref>[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/13/gay-bishop-to-offer-obama-inaugural-prayers/ Gay bishop to give Inaugural prayer] Washington Times, January 13, 2009</ref>

*Ingrid Mattson, president of the [[Islamic Society of North America]], was invited to give an inaugural prayer. Mattson's group says it does not condone [[terrorism]]. The Holy Land Foundation and five of its former leaders were convicted of funneling millions of dollars to [[Hamas]], for which the ISNA funded and supported. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/17/feds-say-obama-prayer-leader-group-linked-hamas/ Feds Say Obama Prayer Leader Is From Group Linked to Hamas] Fox News, January 17, 2009</ref>

*In an additional break with Obama's predecessors, no [[Catholic]] or [[Jewish]] speaker wass invited to give an inaugural prayer.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Obama Administration]]

Obama inauguration

2009-01-30T21:12:32Z

CherylE: JPatt, does that source work for you?

The '''Obama inauguration''' signaled the conclusion of the Bush administration by the swearing-in ceremony of president-elect [[Barack Hussein Obama]], and [[Joe Biden|Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden, Jr.]] as Vice President, on Tuesday January 20th, 2009 at 12:00 p.m. EST. 1.8 million people came to [[Washington D.C.]] to watch it, the largest crowd ever assembled for a presidential inauguration since Lyndon B. Johnson's inauguration speech in 1965.<ref>[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/21/AR2009012103884.html/13/2009-01-13_obamas_inauguration_is_most_expensive_ev.html D.C.'s Inauguration Head Count: 1.8 Million] NY Daily News, January 14th 2009</ref>

==Cost==
The cost of Obama's inauguration may have exceeded $160 million dollars. In comparison, the cost for George W. Bush's 2005 inauguration is listed as $44 million.

The comments from the liberal mainstream media in 2005; <ref>[http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=10&SubSectionID=10&ArticleID=9029] LakelandTimes.com</ref>

*"Republicans spending $42 million on inauguration while troops Die in unarmored Humvees"
*"Bush extravagance exceeds any reason during tough economic times"
*"Fat cats get their $42 million inauguration party, Ordinary Americans get the shaft."

The comments from the liberal mainstream media in 2009;
*"Obama Spends $120 million on inauguration; America Needs A Big Party"
*"Everyman Obama shows America how to celebrate"
*"Historic Obama Inauguration will cost only $120 million"

==Controversy==
*While inviting a [[Christian]] to give an inaugural prayer is not so controversial, the [[gay]] community is in an uproar over the invite to [[evangelical]] pastor [[Rick Warren]]. Pastor Warren voted for [[Prop 8]] in his home of [[California]]. <ref>[http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4BH7DR20081218 Obama's next pastor controversy - at inauguration] Reuters, December 18, 2008</ref>

*Rev. Sharon Watkins of [[Protestant]] Christian denomination gave an an opening prayer. She is the first woman pastor of a religious faith to give an inaugural prayer. <ref>[http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-obama-prayer-service,0,7764780.story Female minister to deliver sermon at inaugural prayer service, a first] AP, January 11, 2009</ref>

*Openly gay Bishop V. Gene Robinson from [[New Hampshire]] prayed at a concert held two days before the inauguration. Bishop Robinson was among those responsible for the breakup of the [[American]] [[Episcopal]] Church over the issue of gay pastors. <ref>[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/13/gay-bishop-to-offer-obama-inaugural-prayers/ Gay bishop to give Inaugural prayer] Washington Times, January 13, 2009</ref>

*Ingrid Mattson, president of the [[Islamic Society of North America]], was invited to give an inaugural prayer. Mattson's group says it does not condone [[terrorism]]. The Holy Land Foundation and five of its former leaders were convicted of funneling millions of dollars to [[Hamas]], for which the ISNA funded and supported. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/17/feds-say-obama-prayer-leader-group-linked-hamas/ Feds Say Obama Prayer Leader Is From Group Linked to Hamas] Fox News, January 17, 2009</ref>

*In an additional break with Obama's predecessors, no [[Catholic]] or [[Jewish]] speaker wass invited to give an inaugural prayer.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Obama Administration]]

Obama inauguration

2009-01-30T18:56:34Z

CherylE: Fixed & retitled broken link...for real this time.

The '''Obama inauguration''' signaled the conclusion of the Bush administration by the swearing-in ceremony of president-elect [[Barack Hussein Obama]], and [[Joe Biden|Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden, Jr.]] as Vice President, on Tuesday January 20th, 2009 at 12:00 p.m. EST. 1.8 million people came to [[Washington D.C.]] to watch it, the largest crowd ever assembled for a presidential inauguration since Lyndon B. Johnson's inauguration speech in 1965.<ref>[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/21/AR2009012103884.html/13/2009-01-13_obamas_inauguration_is_most_expensive_ev.html D.C.'s Inauguration Head Count: 1.8 Million] NY Daily News, January 14th 2009</ref>

==Controversy==
*While inviting a [[Christian]] to give an inaugural prayer is not so controversial, the [[gay]] community is in an uproar over the invite to [[evangelical]] pastor [[Rick Warren]]. Pastor Warren voted for [[Prop 8]] in his home of [[California]]. <ref>[http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4BH7DR20081218 Obama's next pastor controversy - at inauguration] Reuters, December 18, 2008</ref>

*Rev. Sharon Watkins of [[Protestant]] Christian denomination will also give an opening prayer. She is the first woman pastor of a religious faith to give an inaugural prayer. <ref>[http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-obama-prayer-service,0,7764780.story Female minister to deliver sermon at inaugural prayer service, a first] AP, January 11, 2009</ref>

*Openly gay Bishop V. Gene Robinson from [[New Hampshire]] will say an inaugural prayer. Bishop Robinson was among those responsible for the breakup of the [[American]] [[Episcopal]] Church over the issue of gay pastors. <ref>[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/13/gay-bishop-to-offer-obama-inaugural-prayers/ Gay bishop to give Inaugural prayer] Washington Times, January 13, 2009</ref>

*Ingrid Mattson, president of the [[Islamic Society of North America]], is invited to give an inaugural prayer. Mattson's group says it does not condone [[terrorism]]. The Holy Land Foundation and five of its former leaders were convicted of funneling millions of dollars to [[Hamas]], for which the ISNA funded and supported. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/17/feds-say-obama-prayer-leader-group-linked-hamas/ Feds Say Obama Prayer Leader Is From Group Linked to Hamas] Fox News, January 17, 2009</ref>

*In an additional break with Obama's predecessors, no [[Catholic]] or [[Jewish]] speaker is invited to give an inaugural prayer.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Obama Administration]]

Obama inauguration

2009-01-30T18:55:22Z

CherylE: Fixed & retitled broken link

The '''Obama inauguration''' signaled the conclusion of the Bush administration by the swearing-in ceremony of president-elect [[Barack Hussein Obama]], and [[Joe Biden|Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden, Jr.]] as Vice President, on Tuesday January 20th, 2009 at 12:00 p.m. EST. 1.8 million people came to [[Washington D.C.]] to watch it, the largest crowd ever assembled for a presidential inauguration since Lyndon B. Johnson's inauguration speech in 1965.<ref>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/21/AR2009012103884.html/13/2009-01-13_obamas_inauguration_is_most_expensive_ev.html D.C.'s Inauguration Head Count: 1.8 Million] NY Daily News, January 14th 2009</ref>

==Controversy==
*While inviting a [[Christian]] to give an inaugural prayer is not so controversial, the [[gay]] community is in an uproar over the invite to [[evangelical]] pastor [[Rick Warren]]. Pastor Warren voted for [[Prop 8]] in his home of [[California]]. <ref>[http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4BH7DR20081218 Obama's next pastor controversy - at inauguration] Reuters, December 18, 2008</ref>

*Rev. Sharon Watkins of [[Protestant]] Christian denomination will also give an opening prayer. She is the first woman pastor of a religious faith to give an inaugural prayer. <ref>[http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-obama-prayer-service,0,7764780.story Female minister to deliver sermon at inaugural prayer service, a first] AP, January 11, 2009</ref>

*Openly gay Bishop V. Gene Robinson from [[New Hampshire]] will say an inaugural prayer. Bishop Robinson was among those responsible for the breakup of the [[American]] [[Episcopal]] Church over the issue of gay pastors. <ref>[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/13/gay-bishop-to-offer-obama-inaugural-prayers/ Gay bishop to give Inaugural prayer] Washington Times, January 13, 2009</ref>

*Ingrid Mattson, president of the [[Islamic Society of North America]], is invited to give an inaugural prayer. Mattson's group says it does not condone [[terrorism]]. The Holy Land Foundation and five of its former leaders were convicted of funneling millions of dollars to [[Hamas]], for which the ISNA funded and supported. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/17/feds-say-obama-prayer-leader-group-linked-hamas/ Feds Say Obama Prayer Leader Is From Group Linked to Hamas] Fox News, January 17, 2009</ref>

*In an additional break with Obama's predecessors, no [[Catholic]] or [[Jewish]] speaker is invited to give an inaugural prayer.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Obama Administration]]

Rod Blagojevich

2009-01-30T14:50:46Z

CherylE: cat

[[Image:Blagojevich with Emanuel.jpg|200px|thumb|Blagojevich with Rahm Emanuel]]
'''Milorad "Rod" R. Blagojevich''' (''Milorad'' due to his [[Serbia|Serbian]] heritage) was the Democratic [[governor]] of the state of [[Illinois]] from January 13, 2003 until impeachment on January 29, 2009. He was born on December 10, 1956, in [[Chicago]]. Before being elected as governor, Blagojevich served as Cook County Assistant State's Attorney and then Representative for Illinois' 5th District in the [[U.S. House of Representatives]] (elected in 1996)<ref>http://www.illinois.gov/gov/bio.cfm</ref>.

On December 9, 2008, Blagojevich was arrested on corruption charges for attempting to sell the recently vacated [[United States Senate|U. S. Senate]] seat of [[Barack Obama]]. <ref>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_re_us/blagojevich_corruption_probe</ref> Liberal media outlets were disproportionately quick in pointing out that then-President-elect Obama had no involvement in the scandal, despite clear evidence being available to the contrary <ref>http://flapsblog.com/2008/12/15/why-is-barack-obama-lying-about-contact-with-hot-rod-blagojevich-part-3/</ref> including photos of the two together while the governor was trying to sell Obama's seat <ref>http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullosseousflap/3100630034/</ref>.

This also brings out the question of the Chicago "meat grinder" politics, as this could influence Barack Obama to the core.

The connection between Blagojevich and Rahm Emanuel is even more condemning. Emanuel has not commented on any connections with Blagojevich<ref>CNN News</ref>. There are two separate conversations of Emanuel talking with Blagojevich.

On January 9, 2009, Blagojevich was impeached by Illinois House of Delegates. His trial before the Illinois State Senate resulted in a unanimous decision of 59-0 for impeachment. Lieutenant Governor Patrick Quinn was sworn in as governor of Illinois on January 29, 2009.<ref>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090130/ap_on_re_us/illinois_governor_impeachment</ref>

==References==
<references/>

{{DEFAULTSORT:Blagojevich, Rod}}

[[Category:Illinois Governors]]
[[Category:Democratic Party]]
[[Category:Liberals]]

Obama inauguration

2009-01-30T14:26:02Z

CherylE: cleared up redundancy

The '''Obama inauguration''' signaled the conclusion of the Bush administration by the swearing-in ceremony of president-elect [[Barack Hussein Obama]], and [[Joe Biden|Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden, Jr.]] as Vice President, on Tuesday January 20th, 2009 at 12:00 p.m. EST. More 1.8 million people came to [[Washington D.C.]] to watch it, the largest crowd ever assembled for a presidential inauguration since Lyndon B. Johnson's inauguration speech in 1965.<ref>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/21/AR2009012103884.html</>/13/2009-01-13_obamas_inauguration_is_most_expensive_ev.html Obama's inauguration is most expensive ever at $160 million] NY Daily News, January 14th 2009</ref>

==Controversy==
*While inviting a [[Christian]] to give an inaugural prayer is not so controversial, the [[gay]] community is in an uproar over the invite to [[evangelical]] pastor [[Rick Warren]]. Pastor Warren voted for [[Prop 8]] in his home of [[California]]. <ref>[http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4BH7DR20081218 Obama's next pastor controversy - at inauguration] Reuters, December 18, 2008</ref>

*Rev. Sharon Watkins of [[Protestant]] Christian denomination will also give an opening prayer. She is the first woman pastor of a religious faith to give an inaugural prayer. <ref>[http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-obama-prayer-service,0,7764780.story Female minister to deliver sermon at inaugural prayer service, a first] AP, January 11, 2009</ref>

*Openly gay Bishop V. Gene Robinson from [[New Hampshire]] will say an inaugural prayer. Bishop Robinson was among those responsible for the breakup of the [[American]] [[Episcopal]] Church over the issue of gay pastors. <ref>[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/13/gay-bishop-to-offer-obama-inaugural-prayers/ Gay bishop to give Inaugural prayer] Washington Times, January 13, 2009</ref>

*Ingrid Mattson, president of the [[Islamic Society of North America]], is invited to give an inaugural prayer. Mattson's group says it does not condone [[terrorism]]. The Holy Land Foundation and five of its former leaders were convicted of funneling millions of dollars to [[Hamas]], for which the ISNA funded and supported. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/17/feds-say-obama-prayer-leader-group-linked-hamas/ Feds Say Obama Prayer Leader Is From Group Linked to Hamas] Fox News, January 17, 2009</ref>

*In an additional break with Obama's predecessors, no [[Catholic]] or [[Jewish]] speaker is invited to give an inaugural prayer.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Obama Administration]]

Conservapedia:Desk/Miscellany

2009-01-29T17:55:43Z

CherylE: /* Noah's Ark Page Locked */ Fixed my wikilink..

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=General Messages=
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== <hiero> tag and WikiHiero ==

Is it possible to introduce support for WikiHiero on Conservapedia? On Wikipedia it is possible to insert hieroglyphs into an article using this tag along with the WikiHiero syntax to enter the signs correctly. It'd be useful to have this feature here too.
--[[User:Krysg|Krysg]] 07:54, 10 December 2008 (EST)

== Someone is trying to steal my password ==

I recently received this E-mail:

Someone (probably you, from IP address 92.16.2.122)
requested that we send you a new password for Conservapedia (http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php).
The password for user "Kuyper" is now "[removed]".
You should log in and change your password now.
If someone else made this request or if you have remembered your password and you no longer wish to change it,
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You might want to consider looking into this as hacking is a serious problem. [[User:Kuyper|Kuyper]] 16:50, 28 December 2008 (EST)

== How to edit? ==

I read the article on Barak Obama. Basically, it is a train wreck. I am not an expert on him, but I thought I could at least take out all the snide innuendo's, and even if the artilce is much shorter, at least it will be more credible. He is, after all, the President of the United States, and deserves some minimal respect.

However, I have no idea how to edit articles on this thing, and there is just about no help or assistance. It certainly does not seem to be user friendly.

So, I am just about ready to give up.

I also read the article on Virgnia, since that is where I am from. Under the list of counties, it only had about half of them. It was a terribel article. I do not understand how this organizaiton works, but many of the articles are not vey good, and then when you invite people to edit them, how do we do it?

Sincerely

Daniel Sharp

: With all due respect, your misspellings are the worst I've seen. Please improve and then try to improve the Virginia article, with good spelling. Thanks much, and Godspeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:44, 18 January 2009 (EST)

:: As well as the links that I've just put on your user talk page, see [[Help:Contents]] for some more advice. However, that help is not designed for someone who has never edited a Wiki before. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:37, 18 January 2009 (EST)

:::Daniel Sharp is also user [[user talk:Lucyjordan|Lucy Jordan]]? I'm really confused here. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 01:52, 19 January 2009 (EST)

There are some very serious problems with the entries concerning topics related to Confucianism. Many of entries are not strictly incorrect but are sufficiently superficial to be grossly misleading. When it comes to topics as foreign as Confucianism, brevity is not your friend. I will try to help, but unfortunately I do not have the time or the resources to do everything that needs doing. You need a total overhaul.

==Noah's Ark Page Locked==
I would like to create responses to the criticisms on the [[Noah's Ark]] article but the page has been locked by an administrator. The problem is that the locking admin (MountainDew/DanH) is MIA.

Can I get a little help? [[User:CherylE|CherylE]] 12:54, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Conservapedia:Desk/Miscellany

2009-01-29T17:54:58Z

CherylE:

<noinclude><center>[[Conservapedia:Desk|Back to the Desk]]</center></noinclude>
=General Messages=
Archives: [[Conservapedia:Desk/Miscellany/Archive1|1]] [[Conservapedia:Desk/Miscellany/Archive2|2]] [[Conservapedia:Desk/Miscellany/Archive3|3]]

== <hiero> tag and WikiHiero ==

Is it possible to introduce support for WikiHiero on Conservapedia? On Wikipedia it is possible to insert hieroglyphs into an article using this tag along with the WikiHiero syntax to enter the signs correctly. It'd be useful to have this feature here too.
--[[User:Krysg|Krysg]] 07:54, 10 December 2008 (EST)

== Someone is trying to steal my password ==

I recently received this E-mail:

Someone (probably you, from IP address 92.16.2.122)
requested that we send you a new password for Conservapedia (http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php).
The password for user "Kuyper" is now "[removed]".
You should log in and change your password now.
If someone else made this request or if you have remembered your password and you no longer wish to change it,
you may ignore this message and continue using your old password.

You might want to consider looking into this as hacking is a serious problem. [[User:Kuyper|Kuyper]] 16:50, 28 December 2008 (EST)

== How to edit? ==

I read the article on Barak Obama. Basically, it is a train wreck. I am not an expert on him, but I thought I could at least take out all the snide innuendo's, and even if the artilce is much shorter, at least it will be more credible. He is, after all, the President of the United States, and deserves some minimal respect.

However, I have no idea how to edit articles on this thing, and there is just about no help or assistance. It certainly does not seem to be user friendly.

So, I am just about ready to give up.

I also read the article on Virgnia, since that is where I am from. Under the list of counties, it only had about half of them. It was a terribel article. I do not understand how this organizaiton works, but many of the articles are not vey good, and then when you invite people to edit them, how do we do it?

Sincerely

Daniel Sharp

: With all due respect, your misspellings are the worst I've seen. Please improve and then try to improve the Virginia article, with good spelling. Thanks much, and Godspeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:44, 18 January 2009 (EST)

:: As well as the links that I've just put on your user talk page, see [[Help:Contents]] for some more advice. However, that help is not designed for someone who has never edited a Wiki before. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:37, 18 January 2009 (EST)

:::Daniel Sharp is also user [[user talk:Lucyjordan|Lucy Jordan]]? I'm really confused here. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 01:52, 19 January 2009 (EST)

There are some very serious problems with the entries concerning topics related to Confucianism. Many of entries are not strictly incorrect but are sufficiently superficial to be grossly misleading. When it comes to topics as foreign as Confucianism, brevity is not your friend. I will try to help, but unfortunately I do not have the time or the resources to do everything that needs doing. You need a total overhaul.

==Noah's Ark Page Locked==
I would like to create responses to the criticisms on the [[Noahs Ark|Noah's Ark]] article but the page has been locked by an administrator. The problem is that the locking admin (MountainDew/DanH) is MIA.

Can I get a little help? [[User:CherylE|CherylE]] 12:54, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Talk:Noah's Ark

2009-01-29T17:27:19Z

CherylE: Request to edit

{{protect|MountainDew}}

"asswaged"?
:Yes. ''Asswaged'' is the proper Biblical spelling of the modern ''assuaged'', as it is in the original authorized English translation of the Holy Scriptures. Many modern "King James" Bibles actually alter the text, which can lead to confusion and errant exegesis (see [http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/king_james_glossary.htm "King James Glossary"] & [http://www.biblebelievers.com/believers-org/counterfeit-kjv.html "Believers Beware of Counterfeit King James Bibles"] for other spelling alterations).

:: Um, how can changing the spelling in a translation result in exegetic problems? [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 14:57, 7 March 2007 (EST)

:King James-onlyism is not an official position of Conservapedia last I checked. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 15:01, 7 March 2007 (EST)
:: Oh my, was that the logic behind the user's comment. *checks link*. Yep, wow. I don't know what to say to that. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 15:08, 7 March 2007 (EST)
:: In fact, looking at that website in detail it argues for among other things the old-style British spelling of "Savior" as "Saviour" so per Conservapedias rules about British and American English if anything Conservapedia is anti-KJV onlyism. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 15:13, 7 March 2007 (EST)

:::By that reasoning, any edition claiming to be the King James Version that omits the Apocrypha is counterfeit. What do they have to say about the Apocrypha? Is it OK to omit them? [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 16:13, 7 March 2007 (EST)

:::(Sigh) Why do I even ask? Yes, they have [http://www.biblebelievers.com/Gipp/answer/gipp_answer_34.html a pat answer]. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 16:13, 7 March 2007 (EST)
:::: Well at least they are aware that the apocrpha was in the original KJV. Many KJVist don't even know that. I can spot at least 4 factual errors in that piece though (ignoring things that aren't factual errors per se but just very odd language choice like the "Jewish Church"). What fun. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 16:17, 7 March 2007 (EST)

::::: Conservapedia is obviously '''not''' King-James-only, since the article on the [[Ark of the Covenant]] says it was made of "acacia" wood. :-) [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 13:37, 10 March 2007 (EST)

== Dates ==

Excuse me but where the heck are the Roman calendar dates coming from? There is no way that that was the calendrical system in use. Most likely the system refferred to is a lunar calendar or lunar-solar calendar like that that Jews currently use. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 14:59, 7 March 2007 (EST)

== Post-Diluvian Content ==

I am unsure that the explanation of the dispersal of animals from after they exited the Ark is within the scope of this article as it isn't really ''about'' the Ark itself. I think instead a separate article on the Post-Diluvian Diasporas should be created and linked to from here. [[User:Rich P|Dr. Richard Paley]] 08:34, 10 March 2007 (EST)
: I agree. Started article [[Post-Diluvian Diasporas]]--[[User:AustinM|AustinM]] 11:23, 10 March 2007 (EST)

== Polar Bears? ==

Were polar species such as [[Polar Bear]]s and [[Penguin]]s to be found on the ark? I'm guessing they would not be friendly with their cell-mates for 40 days: Feeding regiments must have been tricky, but above all the middle-eastern climate must have been damaging to their well-being.

If God can flood the Earth, he can keep penguins alive. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 01:21, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

:If God can keep penguins alive, he could've just let all chosen animals and humans survive miraculously without the need for an ark. ;) --[[User:Sid 3050|Sid 3050]] 09:29, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
:: I included a comment about dinosaurs, which conceivably could have had difficulty coexisting on the Ark with other animals, as another controversial issue about the Ark. However, I'm not sure why it was removed. [[User:Fairandbalanced|Fairandbalanced]] 22:17, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
::: Not being the one who removed it, I couldn't say for sure, but it was a fairly vague criticism (what "difficulty"?), and not worthy of an encyclopedia article as it stood. However, I don't think locking the article was justified; apart from your (presumably well-intentioned) edit there was only ''one'' attempt at vandalism. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:40, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
:::: Thanks. It seems like a fair amount of content on Conservapedia is locked from editing. In addition, it may be worth pointing out that as one possibility, the reason why dinosaurs are extinct is because they were not allowed on the Ark. [[User:Fairandbalanced|Fairandbalanced]] 10:41, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
::::: I was premature in the above comment, as according to this: http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/Area/AnswersBook/dinosaurs19.asp, dinosaurs were definitely on the ark. [[User:Fairandbalanced|Fairandbalanced]] 14:03, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
::::::You are aware that this is a hotly debated topic, yes? --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 14:13, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
:::::It is important to consider that, pace Carl Everett, that dinosaurs and their fossilized 'remains' might well be red herrings of a sort, designed by Satan to trap or confuse the believer. [[User:DunsScotus|DunsScotus]] 14:16, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
::::::Hmmm, I'll just point you to [[Theistic Evolution]] and [[Old Earth Creationism]], both classes consider themselves Christian. --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 14:18, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

'''Fairandbalanced''': Yes, the Bible says that two (or more) of ''every'' kind of land-dwelling, air-breathing creature were on the ark. This leaves two possibilities: (a) Dinosaurs were on the ark, or (b) dinosaurs were extinct before the flood. However, the second option is ruled out because there are fossils of them in flood-laid deposits, indicating that they were around at the time of the flood.

'''Hojimachong''', I'm not sure what you are getting at there. What is hotly debated? That dinosaurs were on the ark? Although there is a debate over whether the ark existed (as described in Genesis at least), I'm not aware of any real debate on, if the story is true, whether dinosaurs were on it.

'''DunsScotus''': No informed creationist claims that dinosaurs were designed by Satan to trap or confuse believers.

[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:15, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

==Pic added==
And other improvements will follow. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 21:58, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

==Disambig [[Great Flood]]==
Great Flood should be a separate article, and the title should not have to redirect here. Noah's ark should be about the ark, it's description, and a history of searches for it. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 12:17, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

:I agree, and I've actually started drafting (off-line) an article for the flood itself. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:37, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

== Objections ==

This isn't a troll, though it may seem like one at times such is my contempt for the biblical creationist point of view. Bear with me, I'm genuinely interested in the answers to my objections. From my observations, it seems to me that creationists prefer answers to objections that don't break any known law of physics over the ultimate fallback, "god made it so with magic" wherever possible. For example, when it is pointed out that naval engineering even thousands of years later was not up to producing such a large vessel, fundamentalists seem to prefer to postulate that Noah used space frame construction rather than, say, god used magic to bring about a localised increase in the molecular binding force. Of course, none of the so-called "creationist scientists" would actually break out mathematica and attempt to prove such construction is possible, because I suspect in their hearts they know it is not. So, given this, I wonder how the following objections are reconciled with the real world:

: The Ark was supposed to be what amounts to a closed system for a year. In a year, animals will eat several times their body weight in food, especially grazers such as rabbits or cattle which derive very little nutrition from that food they eat. It follows that most of the Ark must have been given over to the storage of fresh water and food supplies, thus drastically reducing the space available for animals. Fresh water is always a problem in such situations, humans can drink spirits such as rum, which keep far longer than water does. However, most animals can not. By the second month, the fresh water supplies would be brackish and undrinkable, disease would quickly spread. Similarly, food would rot. It is not possible to preserve fodder for animals for an entire year. How is this reconciled with the rosy picture the bible paints?

: As already noted, most of the Ark must have been devoted to stores. It is accepted even by creationists that the Ark could not have contained even one pair of every species, instead they fall back on that ultimate moveable feast, [[Baramin]]. Personally, "kinds" simply sounds to me like a pre-scientific word for species, but lets accept the creationist definition for now. Given that we see from the debate topic that creationists do not believe in evolution to the point of a wolf becoming a domestic dog, how is this notion reconciled with the current diversity of species? Even if we accept evolution, how is it possible to reconcile the idea that all existing species descend from the occupants of the Ark, with the idea that all this happened only 5000 years ago? Observably too little time to account for the present diversity.

: The flood waters covered the entire world, yet once they had receded the occupants of the Ark were able to exit and continue with their lives much as they had done previously. Considering all vegetation must have been wiped out, how is this possible? As you can observe at any local beach, it takes a pretty hardy type of plant to thrive in a saltwater environment, these plants would be the first to return. Very little else would grow in the immediate aftermath of a global flood. It would take hundreds of years for vegetation to return to anything like what it was pre-flood. In the mean time, how did the animals survive? How did humans manage cultivation in an environment saturated with salt?

--[[User:Abrown|Abrown]] 13:15, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

:Abrown, I'm sure it would have been possible for Noah's wife and daughters to have tended a vegetable and herb garden, perhaps with some (salt-sensitive) citrus trees for the duration of the flood. This would have reduced scurvy among the animals and family members, and provided fresh foodstuffs for the animals. It is important, moreover, to remember that this was the Lord's work, and what the Lord set asunder, He certainly worked to repair. [[User:DunsScotus|DunsScotus]] 18:07, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

::Scurvy can also be kept in check through the vitamins and minerals that are absorbed in the body through the consumption of various organs, such as: eyes, hearts and livers. Noah's family clearly ate some of the animals to provide necessary nutrition and disease prevention, although some animals unfortunately went the way of the Dodo. I think this makes a lot more sense than salt-sensitive citrus. --[[User:Huey gunna getcha|Huey gunna getcha]] 18:10, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
::: That might explain why the unicorn didn't make it. There's that story of it being late and missing the boat but perhaps they sacrificed it for the greater good. A scapegoat of sorts. [[User:GentlemanSun|GentlemanSun]]
::: See, that only sounds reasonable until you think about it. Think about the number of animals vs. deck space. Maybe that would work with hydroponics and full spectrum lamps, but the bible mysteriously fails to mention any of those. --[[User:Abrown|Abrown]] 21:48, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

ABrown, thank you for putting your questions in a fairly civil manner. I couldn't count the number of times I've had sceptics be downright rude about such things. However, I will chastise you a bit, for having such a negative attitude about creation ("my contempt for the biblical creationist point of view") when you obviously have little idea of the concept that you have so much contempt for. Answers to your questions are readily available from creationist sources, so if you don't know them, you haven't looked for them, yet you seem to think you know enough about creationism to have contempt for it! And I'll also chastise you for your putting the term "creationist scientist" in quotes, as though they are not scientists—that's not nice and not fair.

I have to go out shortly, so may not get to answer everything now, but I will be back.

The observations that you mentioned in your third sentence is correct. Despite frequent accusations to the contrary, creationists do not fall back on "God did it", except is certain circumstance (such as the Bible ''saying'' that God did it).

I disagree that none of the creationists would do the maths on space-frame construction. They may not have yet, but creationary scientists are relatively few in number and get virtually no government or other funding (except for donations from supporters), which severely limits the research that can be done. If you'd like to fund this research... :-)

Gotta go now; I'll be back. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 19:20, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

: I think it is fair to cast doubt on so-called "creationist scientists" scientific credentials. How can any process be called scientific when the theory is pre-existing and unmodifiable? A scientist doesn't start with a theory, and attempt to manipulate the data to fit it. They observe facts and attempt to draft a theory to fit it. The very phrase "creationist scientist" already predefines their views, and those views are unchanging regardless of the mountain of evidence to the contrary. I think the space frame example is a good benchmark for the whole of "creation science", the Bible suggests there existed a man called Noah who build a vast boat. Sceptics of this view have pointed out that there has never existed a wooden boat of similar size, and that it seems that such a boat would be beyond the tolerances of a purely wooden structure. Creationists respond with a theory that it was constructed using techniques humans have only discovered during the 20th century. At this point a real scientist would attempt to create a model to prove his theory is at least possible, but so-called "creationist scientists" do not. All the creationist "evidence" is like this, unfounded speculation with a thin veneer of plausibility. --[[User:Abrown|Abrown]] 21:58, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Part 2:

I don't know the specific answers to your questions about life on the ark, but I do know that a creationist has studied these issues extensively and published a book on them. The book is ''Noah's Ark; a Feasibility Study''. If you really are interested in finding the answers, I suggest you read that book. He does calculate, if I recall correctly, that only about one third of the space on the ark would be needed to house the animals themselves.

I dispute your characterisation that creationists "fall back" on using ''baramin''. This suggests that ''species'' is the obvious intention, and ''baramin'' is an unlikely alternative. But why is this so? I know of no reason whatsoever, except for an irrelevant etymological one, for supposing that ''species'' was the intention. I also dispute that it is a "movable feast" any more than ''species'' is.

You are simply wrong to assert that creationists don't believe in speciation, and they do accept that wolves and dogs are related. Speciation can happen quite rapidly, and the time available since the flood is quite sufficient.

I think the afore-mentioned book also explains how the people and animals survived after disembarking, but the Bible actually explains that they didn't leave the ark until there was new growth. Clearly it wouldn't take hundreds of years for vegetation to return in sufficient quantities to feed the relatively few creatures that had been on the ark. And I also see no reason for supposing that life continued much as it had done before; I expect that life was quite different. The flood waters would have been nowhere near as salty as they are today, so the salt was likely not a problem at all, or a minor one at worst.

What makes you think that creationism is unmodifiable and unchanging? This is nothing more than a sceptic-spread furphy, and is dead wrong. Your rosy picture of impartial scientists observing facts and drafting a theory to fit it is the ideal, but far from reality. If "creationist scientist" predefines their views, then can the same be said of "evolutionist scientist"?

You say that sceptics point out that there has never been a wooden boat of that size, but surely that is (a) an argument from ignorance ("we don't know of one so there must not have been one") and (b) begs the question ("we reject that the ark—a wooden boat of that size—existed, so we therefore know of no wooden boats of that size").

Your comment about space-frame construction only being discovered in the 20th century is itself ''based'' on your evolutionary views. Evolutionists believe that man has evolved to be smarter and smarter, so in the past was too primitive to invent great technology. Creationists, conversely, believe that man was created without blemish, and has ''deteriorated'' since. It follows that man was ''smarter'' in the past (although lacking the accumulated knowledge that we have built up over time). Therefore, how do you know that Noah (or God for that matter, as he gave Noah the instructions) didn't know about space-frame construction, and that it wasn't ''rediscovered'' in modern times? Your basis for rejecting this possibility seems to be your evolutionary paradigm, not any inconsistency with the facts nor the creationary view.

[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 00:45, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

"Evolutionists believe that man has evolved to be smarter and smarter, so in the past was too primitive to invent great technology." - em.. no, what on earth gave you that idea? average IQ has increased for a number of reasons but nowhere near the levels required to make that statement true. Why is this article locked? --[[User:Cgday|Cgday]] 12:27, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

== BBC Article: Dutchman builds modern Noah's Ark ==

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 <nowiki> | Publisher = BBC News 24 </nowiki>
 <nowiki> | URL = </nowiki>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4853890.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4853890.stm]
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Hope this helps. [[User:HeartOfGold|HeartOfGold]] 23:10, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

:One other comment. If we only had written descriptions of the pyramids, we would not believe that ancient civilizations could have built them. [[User:HeartOfGold|HeartOfGold]] 23:13, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

== Kinds ==

I think ''kinds'' should be linked to [[Baraminology]] [[User:PrometheusX303|PrometheusX303]] 09:36, 15 July 2007 (EDT)
:Done! [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:24, 15 July 2007 (EDT)

== cubit ==

I suggest the "design and construction" section note that there are different widely-used lengths of the cubit in ancient times (egyptian royal, sumerian nipur, roman, greek, arabic, and the potential that the cubit referred to in Genesis was different than all of them), so we don't really know what the size of the ark was in feet. [[User:Ungtss|Ungtss]] 11:47, 15 July 2007 (EDT)

: Do you by chance read [http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n2/original-cubit Answers Magazine]? I agree. You might also want to include which cubit measurement was used in the current cited size, and also add more info to [[cubit]]. [[User:PrometheusX303|PrometheusX303]] 10:06, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
:: Good to see you again, my friend:). The protection of creationism-oriented articles makes development very difficult without admins dedicated to discussing and making changes. Simple, commonsense edits like this one seem to just sit on talk pages and go nowhere:(. [[User:Ungtss|Ungtss]] 20:56, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

== Lets distinguish between articles ==

I feel that with this subject, there could be a lot of duplication between this one and the [[Great Flood]]. This article should be talking about the Ark as you would talk about any vessel. Another way we could look at this is, we shouldn't see any general flood criticisms in this article, but we might have criticisms of the ark as a vessel. Also, we don't need to talk about the life of Noah here, since it's about the vessel itself. Just some thoughts to keep in mind while we edit. --[[User:Ymmotrojam|Ymmotrojam]] 20:56, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
: I agree. And in the same vein, [[Great Flood]] is about flood accounts, not about [[Flood geology]], which has its own article.

== References ==

It's common in Bible study notes and the like to put scripture references inline, but in other publications, it's normal to put references as footnotes or the like. This being an encyclopaedia, I think we should put scripture references in as footnotes rather than inline, as they were before Ymmotrojam changed them.

Also, Ymmotrojam removed the explanatory footnote of the flood being a year long. The Bible doesn't spell out in so many words that it lasted a year, so as it's a (simple) deduction from what it does say, I feel that this footnote should have remained.

[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:57, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

==Depth of the Ark==
Is there a measurement for the depth of the Ark? The draft is the measurement from the keel to the waterline. It would be helpful to know the cubic meters for the Ark to understand its size.--[[User:Able806|Able806]] 09:47, 8 December 2008 (EST)
: Did you see the footnote for the draft? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:53, 8 December 2008 (EST)
::No, I did not, thank you for pointing that out. Could we add the 30 cubits since most hull measurements include depth? I would add it but the page is locked.--[[User:Able806|Able806]] 10:01, 8 December 2008 (EST)

==Responses to Criticisms==
I recently received my copy of Woodmorappe's Ark Feasibility Study and I see that it comprehensibly addresses all of the criticisms listed. I would like to address each criticism with a '''Response'''. Is there any chance of this article being unlocked? [[User:CherylE|CherylE]] 12:27, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Talk:Barack Hussein Obama

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== Demanding Major Change ==

I'm not well educated on Obama enough to write an article on him, and even if I did I would not know where to start, but come on! Someone step up to the plate and correct this article. We atleast need a rewrite that presents a case for him being a christian. It can include all the Rev. Wright stuff you want, but if Conservapedia wants to become "The trustworthy encyclopedia" it has to convey both sides.

As a conservapedian, I don't like where this site is going. When writing articles, we can have conservative viewpoints, just not conservative crusades.

: It's remarkable how people who spell Christian with a small "c" want to insist that Obama is somehow a Christian.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:37, 5 January 2009 (EST)
::Reminiscent of those who assert the title of catholic with a small c, which in fact means something wholly other than a Catholic (i.e., a Roman Catholic) with a large C. (All Christians are in fact catholic with a small c if I understand it's fairly broad meaning.) --[[User:RickD|RickD]] 23:42, 5 January 2009 (EST)

: I don't think you can "demand" anything here. This is not a place where you can get what you want with the well-worn liberal tactic of stamping your feet and throwing a tantrum.
: If you have proof that Obama is a Christian, then let us see it. As far as I can tell, he is completely uninterested in Christian fellowship of any kind, which to me is very telling.
: It is easy to talk the talk. As the Lord himself said:
: '''Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'''' (Matthew 7:22-23)
: When and if Barack Hussein Obama shows some evidence of having been washed clean in the blood of Christ, then we can talk. I'm not holding my breath. --[[User:DavidS|DavidS]] 08:34, 6 January 2009 (EST)

::DeanS, you have proof, it's been shown to you multiple times. All the people seem to be interested here is raising a conspiracy theory. They are so set in their ways that arguing against them will yield no results. That's the whole thing about conspiracy theorists: it doesn't matter what proof you show or how complete it is, they will find some hole, real or imagined, and fill it in with whatever belief they hold to actually add strength to their theories. A quick review of the page reveals 3 telling conspiracy theories that are held in belief by the people who hold power on this website: 1) That Obama is a Muslim (he isn't) 2) That Obama wasn't born in Hawaii (He was), and 3) That the majority of Obama's campaign contributions came from anonymous donors (they didn't). That's why this page has been locked from editing, because it has become a war zone and is unlikely to change if it was unlocked. The only solution at this point is to try and gleam what facts you can from this article, and do your own independent research for more facts concerning Obama. [[User:ShawnJ|ShawnJ]] 09:14, 6 January 2009 (EST)
::: First of all, I'm David, not Dean. Secondly, Obama certainly doesn't ''act'' like any sort of Christian I care to know: he supports [[abortion]], he is a radical [[socialist]] (possibly a [[Communist]]), and he tells falsehoods. I don't know if he is a Muslim or not, but it seems quite likely, and the page has a lot of evidence showing that he is. --[[User:DavidS|DavidS]] 11:44, 6 January 2009 (EST)

::::First, my apologies on the name. Secondly, I'm not claiming that Obama is a good Christian, just that he most certainly is not Muslim. The evidence on this page, many of which are blatant falsehoods, are hardly conclusive proof of anything. I have no doubt that if I held any user here under the same scrutiny that Obama has, I could gather enough "evidence" to make a case that they are any religion I choose them to be. Thirdly, just because he may not be the type of christian you want to know doesn't make him not christian. There are many Christians that I [[Ku Klux Klan|don't care to know]]. Does that make them not Christian?--[[User:ShawnJ|ShawnJ]] 12:13, 6 January 2009 (EST)

== Obama's Atheism ==

I know it is a popular view on this site that Obama is a Muslim, but has anyone considered the possibility that his apparent lack of religious devotion indicates instead that he is an atheist? In an article about Obama on mensvogue.com, it is noted that "Though Obama had long been skeptical of organized religion, he gradually came to embrace it "as a choice, not an epiphany."<ref>http://www.mensvogue.com/business/politics/feature/articles/2006/09/11/barack_obama</ref> It is frequently observed on Conservapedia that his claims of religious activity may be self-serving; could they not be an attempt to hide his atheism instead of his Islamic beliefs? After all, Ron Reagan, Jr. once remarked that nobody ever elects atheists.

In addition, Conservapedia has also pointed out on numerous occasions that atheists are strongly inclined to dislike America. Is it also not possible that Obama's pro-Islamic behavior is not a series of Freudian slips, but rather a manifestation of his liberal dislike for America?

Just some interesting points to consider. Perhaps we could open this up for discussion. --[[User:Economist|Economist]] 18:30, 6 January 2009 (EST)

== Obama Arab-American ==

This article should, at some point, actually say that Obama is African-American, making him the first black president. If you really want to leave room for speculation about Warren G. Harding's ancestry, you could write "first openly black president" or something. But Obama's blackness is clearly a large part of his personal and political identity, and is probably going to be remembered as one of the most historically significant aspects of this election. An article on Barack Obama should contain a direct statement of this information, period.

The editors should also consider putting that information in the first paragraph. I understand that there is no established rule about the ordering of information in a Conservapedia article. However, an uneducated reader looking at this article would learn how long his campaign was before learning that he is the first black president, which doesn't make much sense to me. [[User:Cb201|Cb201]] 16:20, 9 January 2009 (EST)

There is much distortion in the media about Obama being African-American. '''Obama is actually Arab-American''', and I agree that this page should reflect his race.

Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). --[[User:Cwcopela|Cwcopela]] 14:11, 19 January 2009 (EST)

:Does it really matter? It's not the technicalities that define what race Americans perceive Obama as - He looks more black, than white and arabic and that's how people will perceive him - They won't perceive him as another rich religious white guy or as an arab because of technicalities like that. --[[User:Atheuz|Atheuz]]

:*So, perceptions matter above facts? That is typical of [[liberal]] thinking, you know. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 16:06, 19 January 2009 (EST)

== Small comments ==

Hello. Would it be appropriate to create a "family" section in this biography, it seems rather lacking on this point? For the rest it seems very informative, but rather cluttered. Would it be more logical to use a chronological build-up for this biography, such as placing the parts relating to his presidency more to the end of the biography, and his earlier endeavors to the front? Perhaps it would help if the contents table was moved up, at least to end up higher than the first muslim president bit? Let's hope I'm not asking any all-too-stupid questions! ;-) Regards, [[User:AVanbeek|AVanbeek]] 22:51, 12 January 2009 (EST)

: I don't see any of your suggestions as an improvement. Obama's presidential ambition predates the other items you mention, and his personal beliefs are the most significant. Encylopedias, like newspapers, prioritize presentation based on significance.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:59, 12 January 2009 (EST)

:: Shall I go ahead then, and erase "Family" Sections on George W. Bush and McCain's articles? Their great accomplishments surely predate those insignificant sections. [[User:AMurdoc|AMurdoc]] 13:29, 15 January 2009 (EST)
:::Why not go ahead and make some positive contributions to this encyclopaedia by creating wanted articles, rather than attempting to be satirical? [[User:MikeSalter|MikeSalter]] 14:18, 15 January 2009 (EST)

== Lincoln's Bible? ==

Fox News is reporting that Obama will use the Lincoln Bible to be sworn in <ref>http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/23/obama-sworn-using-lincoln-bible/</ref>. I think it's fairly safe to say that it will not be a koran. I also think it is safe to say that this is exactly the kind of trickery a manchurian muslim would use. Is it worth a mention in the "likely muslim" section?

[[User:CWood|CWood]] 11:01, 15 January 2009 (EST)

: I agree, it is safe to say it will not be a Koran. I think i'ts also safe to say this is exactly the kind of "trickery" a Christian would use. Is it worth a mention in the "likely Christian" section? oh wait... [[User:ShawnJ|ShawnJ]] 11:59, 15 January 2009 (EST)
: So Obama is damned if he does use a Bible, and damned if he doesn't. Seems a bit unreasonable. None of those other candidates were ever accused of being "Manchurian Muslims" just because they DID use a Bible to get sworn in. Then again, none of those other candidates had brown skin and a funny name, right? [[User:Cb201|Cb201]] 12:55, 16 January 2009 (EST)
:::Typical [[liberal]] [[race baiting]]... How about you come up with evidence rather than allegations? [[User:CWood|CWood]] 16:47, 18 January 2009 (EST)
::None of the other candidates hid from questions about their past, it's Obama's own fault. Nobody ever said his name was funny except Obama. The brown skin comment is over the top racist ploy. You know very well that there are more respected, patriotic, qualified 'brown skin' people that are deserving of presidency, Obama isn't one of them. FYI- slanderous allegations are deserving of a permanent block here. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 13:03, 16 January 2009 (EST)
:::How about slanderous allegations that a man is lying to the country about his religion? Do those count?

:::I'm not accusing anyone of racism per se. I'm just pointing out that no other presidential candidate has ever had to prove to the country that he is not a Muslim. And let's be honest - that's because all the other presidential candidates have been white guys named George or Bill or Ron or Jimmy, and this one is a black guy named Barack. If people WANT to believe he's a Muslim (the authors of this article clearly do) it's easier to do so. If you can't see the connection between his race/name and the popularity of the belief that he is a Muslim, you're not looking hard enough.

:::Anyway, this is all a moot point. He's not a Muslim. As time goes by after Obama takes office, this page will look increasingly loony. I guess if Obama really turns out to be an Al-Qaeda sleeper agent poised to sabotage the United States in a plot straight out of a Tom Clancy novel, I will be the one looking loony. But I think I'll take that chance.[[User:Cb201|Cb201]] 17:55, 16 January 2009 (EST)

== References ==

Barack Hussein Obama (born in Honolulu,[1][2][3] August 4, 1961) served as a first-term Democratic Senator from Illinois (2004-2008) and then, along with his running mate Senator Joseph Biden, won the presidential election[4] after twenty-three months of campaigning, raising an unprecedented $750 million and spending over $700 million of it,[5]. Post-election, Obama indicated that he would make an unprecedented speech within his first 100 days from a Muslim capital.[6] (7][8]

Obama has espoused the idea of "spreading the wealth,"[10]
in other words raising the tax rates on business and the wealthy in order to redistribute their income to low income individuals, many of whom don't currently pay income taxes.[11] His health care plan requires employers to purchase health care or pay a fine and will require many into a single payer system.[12] To announce his trip to Berlin in July 2008, Obama used posters which show a marked similarity to posters of others.[13] During Obama's youth in Hawaii, he developed a strong, almost Father/Son relationship with Frank Marshall Davis.14]
{{unsigned|Lucyjordan}} 11:00, 17 January 2009

==Picture==
[[Image:AC776AB92D53D08B124F57F6B9B6C2.jpg‎]] Here's a picture of our plotting leader. Too sinister? --[[User:StevenM|Ṣ₮ёVeN]] 09:41, 19 January 2009 (EST)

: Interesting, Steven. But where did you get it from? The uploads should reflect the source and claim of ability to use it, unless before 1923 (in which everything is public domain).--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:22, 19 January 2009 (EST)

::Oh yes. sorry, i got it from the msn.com do i need promission to take photos from there? --[[User:StevenM|Ṣ₮ёVeN]] 14:03, 19 January 2009 (EST)

== Obama/Muslim Support ==

In the May be a Muslim section, it says that he had an increased support of Muslim voters. How does this prove he is Muslim? While this should be kept, It should be moved to another section.

== I know we lost a week... ==
But we can't stay in some alternate universe where G.W.Bush is still president forever, especially if this article is going to link to the front page. We need to update this article to show that Obama is now president. I would do so, but its locked. As it has been. For quite some time. --[[User:DReynolds|DReynolds]] 23:57, 27 January 2009 (EST)

== Low Res Pic ==

Why is the leading picture of Obama such a low resolution version? It looks crappy when stretched [[User:NotALiberal|NotALiberal]] 08:20, 28 January 2009 (EST)

: That's the only picture we could get from the White House Web site. It certainly surprises me, because I would have thought that they would have a very high-resolution picture of..."Him." We might try the White House site again to see whether "He" has corrected this—er—oversight.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]][[User talk:TerryH|Talk]] 08:26, 28 January 2009 (EST)

::Wikipedia found one (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Official_portrait_of_Barack_Obama.jpg) [[User:NotALiberal|NotALiberal]] 08:29, 28 January 2009 (EST)

::(I could have sworn i edited this already, did we loose some more from the database?) The orginal high resolution image can be obtained from the change.gov site; http://change.gov/page/-/officialportrait.jpg . Updating to this version should fix all the scaling artefacts --[[User:SCarter|SCarter]] 22:10, 28 January 2009 (EST)

== Second swearing in ceremony? ==

I'm surprised that this isn't even mentioned in the article, but when Obama retook the Oath he DIDN'T USE A BIBLE. In fact, there was no video recording of the session and the picture taken only showed him from the chest up. This is profound evidence of being Unchristian at the very least. Since we can't see his left hand during the ceremony, it could be on anything ... dare I say, the Koran?? (source http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/21/obama-takes-oath-office/) [[User:NotALiberal|NotALiberal]] 08:40, 28 January 2009 (EST)

: I consider swearing on the Bible to be un-Christian, because of Matthew 5:34-37, where swearing on anything is expressly forbidden by Jesus.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 08:48, 28 January 2009 (EST)

== Rejects ID, Pushes Evolution (Over Christianity!?) ==

This really needs to be a section in the mainspace. Someone unlock or please add a section mentioning the following:

''Rejects ID''
From the responses to a Q&A sent out by Nature: Do you believe that evolution by means of natural selection is a sufficient explanation for the variety and complexity of life on Earth? Should intelligent design, or some derivative thereof, be taught in science class in public schools?

Obama: I believe in evolution, and I support the strong consensus of the scientific community that evolution is scientifically validated. I do not believe it is helpful to our students to cloud discussions of science with non-scientific theories like intelligent design that are not subject to experimental scrutiny. <ref>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/in-obamas-own-words/</ref>

''Pushes Evolution Over Christianity''
Remnick, who at this point could be considered the President of the United States of Magazines, forced Obama to address the topic of religion. "It's not 'faith' if you are absolutely certain," Obama said, noting that he didn't believe his lack of "faith" would hurt him a national election. "Evolution is more grounded in my experience than angels." <ref>http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/magazines/barack_obama_i_inhaled_that_was_the_point_46068.asp</ref>

Wow. [[User:CherylE|CherylE]] 10:17, 28 January 2009 (EST)

== Allegedly born in Honolulu ==

Why does it still say he was allegedly born in Honolulu? Later on in the page it says the it was proven his birth certificate is genuine. [[User:JohnKite|JohnKite]] 11:15, 28 January 2009 (EST)
:We merely state that FactCheck.org believed the photo of the birth certificate was genuine.--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 10:58, 28 January 2009 (EST)
Maybe it should be rewritten then since now it reads more like it states a fact that the birth certificate is indeed genuine. I'm guessing 99% of people never even check the reference.[[User:JohnKite|JohnKite]] 11:15, 28 January 2009 (EST)

== Why no family section? ==

The Obama article has no family section. Neither does Clinton's or Carter's. However, Reagan's, Bush the elder's and W.Bush's articles have them. Why none on the democratic presidents'? [[User:JohnKite|JohnKite]] 11:42, 28 January 2009 (EST)

== Some Changes ==

Why is this locked?
Obama has not been succeded by "incumbent" nor will he be.
Obamas term in office might not go to 2013, it might go further, it might not go that far, unless you are psychic this should be changed. --[[User:Brendanw|Brendanw]] 11:58, 28 January 2009 (EST)
:"Incumbent" means he is the current holder of the office. It's simply a term to indicate that he is the most recent. And while it is true that Obama could be elected to a second term and thus serve until 2017, he hasn't. His first term expires on 2013 regardless of what happens between now and then (barring impeachment or death, of course) so it's factual to list that date. Listing a second term when he's only a week and a half in his first one is speculative and inappropriate for an encyclopedia. --[[User:Ampersand|Ampersand]] 14:49, 28 January 2009 (EST)
It's the exact same thing we did with [[George W. Bush]] - there's nothing factually wrong about saying whoever replaces obama will be an incumbent.--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 14:57, 28 January 2009 (EST)

==Is he or isn't he President?==
This article has a lot of wildly inaccurate and unsourced information in it. It also can't seem to decide whether BO is President or not - the picture on the right says he is, the text varies from claiming he's won the election, to him being Senator. I'd love to help clean this up, but can't seem to edit the page? Ready to help. [[User:FNNoonan|FNNoonan]] 15:15, 28 January 2009 (EST)
:Yes, it's pretty weird isn't it. One would have thought that if it was important enough to protect then it would be important enough to update. But the failure to update tells the casual reader what to expect in respect of the general accuracy of the article - so it's probably not a bad thing.--[[User:British_cons|British_cons]] [[User_talk:British_cons|(talk)]] 11:12, 29 January 2009 (EST)

== Real Bible NOT Koran ==

Below is the kind of post I’ve been looking forward to:

“Look, I wrote here and in the article that Obama would swear on the Koran, and now I’ve just got to eat humble pie. See, I was wwoo….wrooggga…woolooo..wopppaaa. wrong. There, I managed to say it, and I feel better for it.”

Yeah, I been waiting for that one, but I’m not holding my breath. But since Obama DID in fact swear on Lincoln’s Bible that means (check this one in archives) you clowns owe me $100. Each. (American notes thank you.) [[User:MylesP|MylesP]] 18:31, 28 January 2009 (EST)

: You're clueless, Myles. Obama's real oath was not on the Bible. I don't know if it was on the Koran. Do you?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:01, 28 January 2009 (EST)

OP Myles back. Right, let me see if I can sum up the state of play. Obama tries to take the Oath on the Lincoln Bible, which presumably has special powers not available to the usual Gideon’s Hotel edition. Anyways, Chief Justice Roberts manages to bellyflop his role in history. It’s like the guy who needs play only one note on a triangle during the symphony and manages to foul that up. Along with 90% of the world, I thought that Obama was completely blameless for this glitch, and actually quite gracious. His face and bearing said “Hey, you stuffed up, but I forgive you. Let’s try it again.” This was not what the foaming at the mouth crowd saw, and talk here was of how Obama was not properly inaugurated, and that somehow it was all his fault. Then, to satisfy the New Philistines, he takes the oath, again. This time, no one of the Born Again crowd who frequent these occasions thinks to bring a Bible, but it is Obama’s fault once more, because apparently he should have one in his back pocket at all times. He takes the oath again. Hey, that’s good enough for me, but apparently I’m clueless, according to Andy, who, in one of his regular 2 line missives from above believes there’s more to this than meets the eye.

Well, let me see. I suppose Obama could have paid Roberts off in the first instance to screw up the wording, so he would not have to put his hand on the Bible. (Because then he would wince with pain as the Word of God burnt his skin, or something.) This set up the SECOND inauguration at which everyone was paid to make sure no Bible was there, so Obama gets to be Prez while cunningly evading the Bible. You see, it all makes perfect sense, don’t it? Yeah, and I’M the one who’s clueless! Truly, what a man believes, he sees. Look, I’ve got an idea. Instead of hurling everything you got including the kitchen sink at Obama on a second by second basis, every time he so much as scratches his nose, let’s take the fair-minded, objective, dare I say American approach. It’s the customary 100 day honeymoon. Why don’t we all give him those 100 days, and THEN have a look at the plus and minus sheet? Sound like a sensible notion? Of course, that would mean putting your knee in some other crotch for that time, which is asking a hell of a lot I know. But then you would have some REAL grievances at the end instead of the kind of sort of all this relentless muck-raking on the basis of trivia. And just think of the size of the bonfire you could build then.

You know, where I come from conservatives are known as people with a sense of honour, with ethical standards, polite and cultivated, aware of etiquette, educated, and with a keen sense for fair play. You might be using a different dictionary. [[User:MylesP|MylesP]] 00:42, 29 January 2009 (EST)

*Myles, please read the box at the top of this page, and adhere to it. Thanks. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 00:55, 29 January 2009 (EST)

==References (please leave at bottom of page)==
{{Reflist}}

Thumbnail

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A '''thumbnail''' is a small, fast-loading image on a [[web page]] that links to a larger version of the same image called so because the size and shape resembled the thumbnail, or nail on the [[thumb]] of a [[hand]], its common usage before the computing [[internet]] age.

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Bohdan Khmelnytsky

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[[Image:Khmelnytsky.jpg|right|thumb|Bohdan Khmelnytsky]]
[[image:166px-BChmielnicki.jpg|thumb|right| ''Bohdan Khmelnytsky'']]
'''Bohdan Zynovi Mykhailovych Khmelnytsky''' ([[Ukrainian]]: Богдан Зиновій Михайлович Хмельницький, [[Polish]]: ''Bohdan Zenobi Chmielnicki'') (1595-August 6, 1657) was the [[hetman]] of the [[Ukrainian Kozak]]s. He led the famous revolt against the [[Polish Commonwealth]] in 1648-1654.

==Background==
Khmelnytsky was born into a family of [[Ukrainian]] lesser nobility. His father, [[Mykhailo Khmelnytsky]], served in the [[Polish]] [[military]], and his mother was a descendent of [[Ukrainian Kozak|kozaks]]. His birth place is unknown. He was schooled in [[Ukrainian]] and later in [[Polish]] by the [[Jesuit]]s. Khmelnytsky was an [[Orthodox Christian]]. He was married to Hanna Somko and they settled on his estate near [[Chyhyryn]].

There is little known of his earliest military activities. His first action was at the [[Battle of Cecora]] in 1620. He was captured and held in [[Turkey]] for two years until his mother ransomed him. He rose through the [[military]] ranks, becoming a military chancellor in 1637. Khmelnytsky's reputation gradually rose, and in 1638 he visited [[Warsaw]] as part of a [[Ukrainian Kozak|Kozak]] emissary delegation to petition the [[Polish]] King [[Wladyslaw IV Vasa]] to grant the [[Ukrainian Kozak|Kozaks]] their ancient rights. In 1645, he took part in the siege of [[Dunkirk]], [[France]].

Khmelnytsky began to come in conflict with the other [[Polish]] landowners in [[Ukraine]]. In 1651, while Khmelnytsky was on campaign, [[Daniel Czaplinski]], who had a personal grudge against him, raided his estate causing property damage, killing his wife, and severely beating his young son. [[Aleksander Koniecpolski]], another Polish noble, put out a warrant for Khmelnytsky's arrest and execution. Khmelnytsky hid out with other Kozaks, then fled to the [[Zaporozhian Sich]] were he was elected [[hetman]] in 1647.

==Uprising==
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==Legacy==
[[Image:Banknote.gif|thumb|right|Khmelnytsky on a 5 Hryvnia Banknote]]
In [[Ukraine]], Khmelnytsky is viewed as a national hero. He appears on the five [[Hryvnia]] banknote, and a city is named after him. Some Ukrainians are critical of his decision to ally himself with [[Russia]], knowing the disastrous effects that this had on Ukraine. Others say that he did what he thought was best for Ukraine at the time. In [[Poland]], Khmelnytsky is viewed as a villain. Many blame him for Poland's weakness following his rebellion and the countries subsequent disappearance via the partitions. Khmelnytsky is also viewed as a villain by the [[Jew]]s. Khmelnytsky and his [[Ukrainian Kozak|Kozaks]] needlessly slaughtered thousands of Jews during their rebellion. The reason for this was [[anti-Semitism]] and the belief that the Jews "exploited" them.

===In Literature===
[[Image:BkMykolaIvansiuk.jpg|thumb|right|Mykola Ivasiuk's ''"Bohdan Khmelnytsky Entering [[Kyiv]]"'']]
Khmelnytsky is one of the main characters in the [[Polish]] novel ''[[With Fire and Sword]]'' (Polish: ''Ogniem i mieczem'') by [[Henryk Sienkiewicz]]. The book is about his uprising and was written from the Polish perspective, thus it portrays him and the [[Ukrainian Kozak|kozaks]] in a bad light. The book was also made into a movie, that was more balanced and fair that the book.

==References==
Orest Subtelny. ''Ukraine. A history.'' University of Toronto press. 1993.

Lukowski, Jerzy. ''A Concise History of Poland''. Cambridge: University Press, 2001.

Ivan Krypyakevych. ''History of Ukraine.'' New York: Shkilnoyi Rady, 1961.

Dimont, Max I. ''Jews, God, and History''. New York: Signet, 1962.

==Links==
[http://www.lvivbest.com/Sections+index-req-viewarticle-artid-144-page-1.html Biography]

http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?AddButton=pages\K\H\KhmelnytskyBohdan.htm Encyclopedia of Ukraine Entry

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Justinian Code

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The '''Justinian Code''' was a series of laws and treaties that was established by the [[Byzantine]] emperor [[Justinian]] in the 6th century to rule his empire. It was so successful that the Byzantines continued to use it for 900 years, and directly influenced the Cannon Law of the Church.

It was created by collecting all the known Latin (Christian) Empirical codes of the day, and then reviewing them for appropriateness and logic.

Some notes:
* The Justinian Code had provisions to establish Christianity as the offical religion of the State. Non Christians were not allowed to be citizens.

* The Justinian Code defined [[heresy]] as a State Crime.

* The Code allowed jews to live within the boundaries, but they were not allowed to be citizens.

==See Also==
[[Code of Hammurabi]]

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Talk:EarthBound

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==KKK Claim===

You need to provide some source for the claim of there being Ku Klux Klan mambers in the game. "Cultists" do not cut it. Somewhat resembling KKK members doesn't cut it. So please...cite.

EarthBound

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'''EarthBound''' is a 1994 [[role playing game]] for the [[Super Nintendo]]. It is known for its incredibly quirky, nonsensical humor and extensive fanbase.

== Plot ==
The story begins when a meteor falls in Onett, a small American town. Ness, the main character, heads outside with his dog to investigate. At the crash site, he learns from Buzz Buzz, a bee like creature from the future, that he must collect eight melodies to defeat Giygas, an evil overlord who wages war against the earth.

The game then follows Ness and his friends as he travels from location to location, battling mushrooms, taxis, UFOs, and hippies. He rescues Paula, a magically-adept girl held captive by the KKK outside Tucson, and meets up with Jeff, a boy from an English boarding school, whose relationship with Tony was attacked by American conservative groups on the game's release. The group's fourth member is Poo, prince of Dalaam, who is continually preoccupied with Brainfood Lunches.

The game's principle antagonists are the Starmen, Giygas' warriors, also sent back from the future, who make continual mischief by stealing important items, including Poo's Sword of Kings, the Suporma (a device created by the child genius Orange Kid), and the Shyness Book from the Onett library (needed to communicate with the Tenda village). Allied with the Starmen is Pokey Minch, Ness' overweight neighbor, who goes from playing tricks on Ness to becoming Giygas' right-hand man. He continually attempts to thwart the party by drugging them with spiked coffee in the city of Fourside, and magic cake in the Summers resort.

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'''EarthBound''' is a 1994 [[role playing game]] for the [[Super Nintendo]]. It is known for its incredibly quirky, nonsensical humor and extensive fanbase.

== Plot ==
The story when a meteor falls in Onett, a small American town. Ness, the main character, heads outside with his dog to investigate. At the crash site, he learns from Buzz Buzz, a bee like creature from the future, that he must collect eight melodies to defeat Giygas, an evil overlord who wages war against the earth.

The game then follows Ness and his friends as he travels from location to location, battling mushrooms, taxis, UFOs, and hippies. He rescues Paula, a magically-adept girl held captive outside Tucson, and meets up with Jeff, a boy from an English boarding school, whose relationship with Tony was attacked by American conservative groups on the game's release. The group's fourth member is Poo, prince of Dalaam, who is continually preoccupied with Brainfood Lunches.

The game's principle antagonists are the Starmen, Giygas' warriors, also sent back from the future, who make continual mischief by stealing important items, including Poo's Sword of Kings, the Suporma (a device created by the child genius Orange Kid), and the Shyness Book from the Onett library (needed to communicate with the Tenda village). Allied with the Starmen is Pokey Minch, Ness' overweight neighbor, who goes from playing tricks on Ness to becoming Giygas' right-hand man. He continually attempts to thwart the party by drugging them with spiked coffee in the city of Fourside, and magic cake in the Summers resort.

Excludability

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'''Excludability''' is an [[economics|economic]] term for a [[good]] for which the owner can exclude from use by others.

Examples of excludability are secrets, tickets, patents, trademarks and and copyrights.

Excludability is essential in determining whether a [[nonrival good]] will be produced.<ref>http://www.economicprincipals.com/issues/06.11.12.html</ref>

== References ==

<references/>

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Biology and creation

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Creationist biologists accept all the [[biology]] that an [[evolutionist]] accepts, but disagree on [[Origin of life|how living things came about]].

See:
*[[Origins debate]]
*[[Creationism]]
*[[Theory of Evolution]]

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Girdling

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'''Girdling''' is the process of cutting away a ring of inner and outer bark all the way around a [[tree]] trunk.<ref>Wile, Dr. Jay L. ''Exploring Creation With Biology''. Apologia Educational Ministries, Inc. 1998</ref> Girdling a tree kills it.

==References==
<references/>

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The Parable of the Sower

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{{Bible quote|And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the wayside, and the fowls came and devoured them up; Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth; and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth; And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them; But other fell into good ground, and brough forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.|book=Matthew|chap=13|verses=3-9|version=KJV}}

{{Bible quote|Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. When anyone heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which receiveth seed by the way side. But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while; for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.|book=Matthew|chap=13|verses=18-23|version=KJV}}

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Dressage

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'''Dressage''' refers to the movement and maneuvering of [[horse]]s in response to the commands of the rider. Dressage is a competitive sport.

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Homosexuality and alcoholism

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'''Homosexuality and alcoholism''' are both addictions.<ref>If sexual experiences happen repeatedly with members of the same sex, a homosexual addiction will result. Sex will no longer be a matter of choice and the will, but will become a "must have at any cost" obsession. [http://www.new-life.net/sex2.htm How Sexual Experiences Become Addictions]</ref><ref>Prolonged, heavy use of alcohol can lead to addiction (alcoholism). Sudden cessation of long term, extensive alcohol intake is likely to produce withdrawal symptoms, including severe anxiety, tremors, hallucinations and convulsions. [http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/drug_guide/Alcohol Alcohol Addiction | Effects of Alcohol | Facts about Alcohol]</ref>
Each addiction has its own twelve-step group to help addicts who are "powerless" to stop (see [[Alcoholics Anonymous]]). Professionals treat both addictions as diseases.

* Fundamentally, alcoholism is a health problem — a physical and emotional disease — rather than a question of too little willpower or of moral weakness.<ref> [http://www.aasanjose.org/new_development/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=75&Itemid=59 Alcoholic in your life? - Alcoholics Anonymous in Santa Clara County, California]
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==Notes==
<references />

==External Links==
*[http://www.ha-fs.org/ Homosexuals Anonymous]

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Phishing

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'''Phishing''' (from ''fishing'') is a form of [[internet]] [[deception]], usually using email or copies of popular websites. Phishers use emails or websites which appear to be a trustworthy entity. Here they try to [[fraud|fraudulently]] acquire sensitive information, such as user names, passwords and credit card details from their unsuspecting victims.

One commonly suggested method of avoiding phishing scams is to check the [[URL]] to ensure that one is on the proper website before entering any personal information or [[credit card]] numbers online. The best option is to contact the company whom the email claims to be associated with. Phishing scams often claim to be a user's bank, or a service they may use (such as [[eBay]]), needing personal details confirmed as a security measure. In fact these practises are not something that legitimate companies engage in.

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Talk:Calabi-Yau

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== Math Tags ==

Seem to be broken...and I can't figure out why. They appear to be working elsewhere on the site.

Little help? [[User:CherylE|CherylE]] 12:59, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Domicile

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'''Domicile''' is the place where a [[Human|person]] has his permanent home to which he intends to return.
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Superficial

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'''Superficial''' is a term that can be used for people and objects. A superficial man has only skimmed the surface of [[knowledge]] and has not learned anything thoroughly. A superficial work has the same fault as a superficial man. The more superficial men there are in a country, the more profound men there will be as well, everything else being equal, for there is only one way to stand out above others, that is, by being more learned.

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Talk:Religious police

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== Database error ==

I'm getting the following error upon trying to load this page:

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from within function "Parser::replaceLinkHolders". MySQL returned error "1271: Illegal mix of collations for operation ' IN ' (localhost)".

Any suggestions/comments before I propose a speedy delete? [[User:CherylE|CherylE]] 12:32, 28 January 2009 (EST)
:A speedy would not be appropriate - there is content in the edit screen.--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 12:35, 28 January 2009 (EST)

::Sorry, I just noticed that after the edit...want to try moving it? [[User:CherylE|CherylE]] 12:36, 28 January 2009 (EST)
:::No - the problem is one paragraph that I've commented out and will now attempt to fix.--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 12:36, 28 January 2009 (EST)
::::Nice work, thanks! ;-) [[User:CherylE|CherylE]] 12:37, 28 January 2009 (EST)

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World History Homework One

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World History Homework One
 Instructor: Andy Schlafly

'''Read the lecture, and then reread it if that is helpful.'''

For written assignments, this course has two tracks: Honors and regular. The Honors track is for those who want to excel on a [[College Board]] exam, or are simply very interested in history and want to learn more about it. Students can try the Honors track and then drop back to the regular track later if they like, so there is no harm in attempting the Honors track.
 
Most questions can be answered easily by using the lecture, but a little outside research is always welcome, since every source has a different viewpoint and details. Use www.conservapedia.com if you want to look up any terms you do not understand.
 
These questions require at most one or a few phrases to answer; you do not need to write complete sentences.
 
The preferred way to submit your answers is by posting them online at:
http://www.conservapedia.com/World_History_Homework_One_Answers
 If submitted online, it will be easier to consider your answers for the weekly model answers and grading will be quicker. Only use your first name and last initial on the internet, and don't use your full last name. Alternatively, you may hand in your written homework for grading.
 
1. What do you hope to accomplish with this course?
 
2. Look at the estimated dates in the three tables. Pick one that you dispute, or are most interested in, and discuss it.
 
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== Honors Questions (answer any 3) ==
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H3. Pick out any mystery of your choice prior to or during this period and suggest an explanation for it. Examples are at:
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Talk:Barack Hussein Obama

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== Demanding Major Change ==

I'm not well educated on Obama enough to write an article on him, and even if I did I would not know where to start, but come on! Someone step up to the plate and correct this article. We atleast need a rewrite that presents a case for him being a christian. It can include all the Rev. Wright stuff you want, but if Conservapedia wants to become "The trustworthy encyclopedia" it has to convey both sides.

As a conservapedian, I don't like where this site is going. When writing articles, we can have conservative viewpoints, just not conservative crusades.

: It's remarkable how people who spell Christian with a small "c" want to insist that Obama is somehow a Christian.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:37, 5 January 2009 (EST)
::Reminiscent of those who assert the title of catholic with a small c, which in fact means something wholly other than a Catholic (i.e., a Roman Catholic) with a large C. (All Christians are in fact catholic with a small c if I understand it's fairly broad meaning.) --[[User:RickD|RickD]] 23:42, 5 January 2009 (EST)

: I don't think you can "demand" anything here. This is not a place where you can get what you want with the well-worn liberal tactic of stamping your feet and throwing a tantrum.
: If you have proof that Obama is a Christian, then let us see it. As far as I can tell, he is completely uninterested in Christian fellowship of any kind, which to me is very telling.
: It is easy to talk the talk. As the Lord himself said:
: '''Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'''' (Matthew 7:22-23)
: When and if Barack Hussein Obama shows some evidence of having been washed clean in the blood of Christ, then we can talk. I'm not holding my breath. --[[User:DavidS|DavidS]] 08:34, 6 January 2009 (EST)

::DeanS, you have proof, it's been shown to you multiple times. All the people seem to be interested here is raising a conspiracy theory. They are so set in their ways that arguing against them will yield no results. That's the whole thing about conspiracy theorists: it doesn't matter what proof you show or how complete it is, they will find some hole, real or imagined, and fill it in with whatever belief they hold to actually add strength to their theories. A quick review of the page reveals 3 telling conspiracy theories that are held in belief by the people who hold power on this website: 1) That Obama is a Muslim (he isn't) 2) That Obama wasn't born in Hawaii (He was), and 3) That the majority of Obama's campaign contributions came from anonymous donors (they didn't). That's why this page has been locked from editing, because it has become a war zone and is unlikely to change if it was unlocked. The only solution at this point is to try and gleam what facts you can from this article, and do your own independent research for more facts concerning Obama. [[User:ShawnJ|ShawnJ]] 09:14, 6 January 2009 (EST)
::: First of all, I'm David, not Dean. Secondly, Obama certainly doesn't ''act'' like any sort of Christian I care to know: he supports [[abortion]], he is a radical [[socialist]] (possibly a [[Communist]]), and he tells falsehoods. I don't know if he is a Muslim or not, but it seems quite likely, and the page has a lot of evidence showing that he is. --[[User:DavidS|DavidS]] 11:44, 6 January 2009 (EST)

::::First, my apologies on the name. Secondly, I'm not claiming that Obama is a good Christian, just that he most certainly is not Muslim. The evidence on this page, many of which are blatant falsehoods, are hardly conclusive proof of anything. I have no doubt that if I held any user here under the same scrutiny that Obama has, I could gather enough "evidence" to make a case that they are any religion I choose them to be. Thirdly, just because he may not be the type of christian you want to know doesn't make him not christian. There are many Christians that I [[Ku Klux Klan|don't care to know]]. Does that make them not Christian?--[[User:ShawnJ|ShawnJ]] 12:13, 6 January 2009 (EST)

== Obama's Atheism ==

I know it is a popular view on this site that Obama is a Muslim, but has anyone considered the possibility that his apparent lack of religious devotion indicates instead that he is an atheist? In an article about Obama on mensvogue.com, it is noted that "Though Obama had long been skeptical of organized religion, he gradually came to embrace it "as a choice, not an epiphany."<ref>http://www.mensvogue.com/business/politics/feature/articles/2006/09/11/barack_obama</ref> It is frequently observed on Conservapedia that his claims of religious activity may be self-serving; could they not be an attempt to hide his atheism instead of his Islamic beliefs? After all, Ron Reagan, Jr. once remarked that nobody ever elects atheists.

In addition, Conservapedia has also pointed out on numerous occasions that atheists are strongly inclined to dislike America. Is it also not possible that Obama's pro-Islamic behavior is not a series of Freudian slips, but rather a manifestation of his liberal dislike for America?

Just some interesting points to consider. Perhaps we could open this up for discussion. --[[User:Economist|Economist]] 18:30, 6 January 2009 (EST)

== Obama Arab-American ==

This article should, at some point, actually say that Obama is African-American, making him the first black president. If you really want to leave room for speculation about Warren G. Harding's ancestry, you could write "first openly black president" or something. But Obama's blackness is clearly a large part of his personal and political identity, and is probably going to be remembered as one of the most historically significant aspects of this election. An article on Barack Obama should contain a direct statement of this information, period.

The editors should also consider putting that information in the first paragraph. I understand that there is no established rule about the ordering of information in a Conservapedia article. However, an uneducated reader looking at this article would learn how long his campaign was before learning that he is the first black president, which doesn't make much sense to me. [[User:Cb201|Cb201]] 16:20, 9 January 2009 (EST)

There is much distortion in the media about Obama being African-American. '''Obama is actually Arab-American''', and I agree that this page should reflect his race.

Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). --[[User:Cwcopela|Cwcopela]] 14:11, 19 January 2009 (EST)

:Does it really matter? It's not the technicalities that define what race Americans perceive Obama as - He looks more black, than white and arabic and that's how people will perceive him - They won't perceive him as another rich religious white guy or as an arab because of technicalities like that. --[[User:Atheuz|Atheuz]]

:*So, perceptions matter above facts? That is typical of [[liberal]] thinking, you know. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 16:06, 19 January 2009 (EST)

== Small comments ==

Hello. Would it be appropriate to create a "family" section in this biography, it seems rather lacking on this point? For the rest it seems very informative, but rather cluttered. Would it be more logical to use a chronological build-up for this biography, such as placing the parts relating to his presidency more to the end of the biography, and his earlier endeavors to the front? Perhaps it would help if the contents table was moved up, at least to end up higher than the first muslim president bit? Let's hope I'm not asking any all-too-stupid questions! ;-) Regards, [[User:AVanbeek|AVanbeek]] 22:51, 12 January 2009 (EST)

: I don't see any of your suggestions as an improvement. Obama's presidential ambition predates the other items you mention, and his personal beliefs are the most significant. Encylopedias, like newspapers, prioritize presentation based on significance.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:59, 12 January 2009 (EST)

:: Shall I go ahead then, and erase "Family" Sections on George W. Bush and McCain's articles? Their great accomplishments surely predate those insignificant sections. [[User:AMurdoc|AMurdoc]] 13:29, 15 January 2009 (EST)
:::Why not go ahead and make some positive contributions to this encyclopaedia by creating wanted articles, rather than attempting to be satirical? [[User:MikeSalter|MikeSalter]] 14:18, 15 January 2009 (EST)

== Lincoln's Bible? ==

Fox News is reporting that Obama will use the Lincoln Bible to be sworn in <ref>http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/23/obama-sworn-using-lincoln-bible/</ref>. I think it's fairly safe to say that it will not be a koran. I also think it is safe to say that this is exactly the kind of trickery a manchurian muslim would use. Is it worth a mention in the "likely muslim" section?

[[User:CWood|CWood]] 11:01, 15 January 2009 (EST)

: I agree, it is safe to say it will not be a Koran. I think i'ts also safe to say this is exactly the kind of "trickery" a Christian would use. Is it worth a mention in the "likely Christian" section? oh wait... [[User:ShawnJ|ShawnJ]] 11:59, 15 January 2009 (EST)
: So Obama is damned if he does use a Bible, and damned if he doesn't. Seems a bit unreasonable. None of those other candidates were ever accused of being "Manchurian Muslims" just because they DID use a Bible to get sworn in. Then again, none of those other candidates had brown skin and a funny name, right? [[User:Cb201|Cb201]] 12:55, 16 January 2009 (EST)
:::Typical [[liberal]] [[race baiting]]... How about you come up with evidence rather than allegations? [[User:CWood|CWood]] 16:47, 18 January 2009 (EST)
::None of the other candidates hid from questions about their past, it's Obama's own fault. Nobody ever said his name was funny except Obama. The brown skin comment is over the top racist ploy. You know very well that there are more respected, patriotic, qualified 'brown skin' people that are deserving of presidency, Obama isn't one of them. FYI- slanderous allegations are deserving of a permanent block here. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 13:03, 16 January 2009 (EST)
:::How about slanderous allegations that a man is lying to the country about his religion? Do those count?

:::I'm not accusing anyone of racism per se. I'm just pointing out that no other presidential candidate has ever had to prove to the country that he is not a Muslim. And let's be honest - that's because all the other presidential candidates have been white guys named George or Bill or Ron or Jimmy, and this one is a black guy named Barack. If people WANT to believe he's a Muslim (the authors of this article clearly do) it's easier to do so. If you can't see the connection between his race/name and the popularity of the belief that he is a Muslim, you're not looking hard enough.

:::Anyway, this is all a moot point. He's not a Muslim. As time goes by after Obama takes office, this page will look increasingly loony. I guess if Obama really turns out to be an Al-Qaeda sleeper agent poised to sabotage the United States in a plot straight out of a Tom Clancy novel, I will be the one looking loony. But I think I'll take that chance.[[User:Cb201|Cb201]] 17:55, 16 January 2009 (EST)

== References ==

Barack Hussein Obama (born in Honolulu,[1][2][3] August 4, 1961) served as a first-term Democratic Senator from Illinois (2004-2008) and then, along with his running mate Senator Joseph Biden, won the presidential election[4] after twenty-three months of campaigning, raising an unprecedented $750 million and spending over $700 million of it,[5]. Post-election, Obama indicated that he would make an unprecedented speech within his first 100 days from a Muslim capital.[6] (7][8]

Obama has espoused the idea of "spreading the wealth,"[10]
in other words raising the tax rates on business and the wealthy in order to redistribute their income to low income individuals, many of whom don't currently pay income taxes.[11] His health care plan requires employers to purchase health care or pay a fine and will require many into a single payer system.[12] To announce his trip to Berlin in July 2008, Obama used posters which show a marked similarity to posters of others.[13] During Obama's youth in Hawaii, he developed a strong, almost Father/Son relationship with Frank Marshall Davis.14]
{{unsigned|Lucyjordan}} 11:00, 17 January 2009

==Picture==
[[Image:AC776AB92D53D08B124F57F6B9B6C2.jpg‎]] Here's a picture of our plotting leader. Too sinister? --[[User:StevenM|Ṣ₮ёVeN]] 09:41, 19 January 2009 (EST)

: Interesting, Steven. But where did you get it from? The uploads should reflect the source and claim of ability to use it, unless before 1923 (in which everything is public domain).--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:22, 19 January 2009 (EST)

::Oh yes. sorry, i got it from the msn.com do i need promission to take photos from there? --[[User:StevenM|Ṣ₮ёVeN]] 14:03, 19 January 2009 (EST)

== Obama/Muslim Support ==

In the May be a Muslim section, it says that he had an increased support of Muslim voters. How does this prove he is Muslim? While this should be kept, It should be moved to another section.

== I know we lost a week... ==
But we can't stay in some alternate universe where G.W.Bush is still president forever, especially if this article is going to link to the front page. We need to update this article to show that Obama is now president. I would do so, but its locked. As it has been. For quite some time. --[[User:DReynolds|DReynolds]] 23:57, 27 January 2009 (EST)

== Low Res Pic ==

Why is the leading picture of Obama such a low resolution version? It looks crappy when stretched [[User:NotALiberal|NotALiberal]] 08:20, 28 January 2009 (EST)

: That's the only picture we could get from the White House Web site. It certainly surprises me, because I would have thought that they would have a very high-resolution picture of..."Him." We might try the White House site again to see whether "He" has corrected this—er—oversight.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]][[User talk:TerryH|Talk]] 08:26, 28 January 2009 (EST)

::Wikipedia found one (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Official_portrait_of_Barack_Obama.jpg) [[User:NotALiberal|NotALiberal]] 08:29, 28 January 2009 (EST)

== Second swearing in ceremony? ==

I'm surprised that this isn't even mentioned in the article, but when Obama retook the Oath he DIDN'T USE A BIBLE. In fact, there was no video recording of the session and the picture taken only showed him from the chest up. This is profound evidence of being Unchristian at the very least. Since we can't see his left hand during the ceremony, it could be on anything ... dare I say, the Koran?? (source http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/21/obama-takes-oath-office/) [[User:NotALiberal|NotALiberal]] 08:40, 28 January 2009 (EST)

: I consider swearing on the Bible to be un-Christian, because of Matthew 5:34-37, where swearing on anything is expressly forbidden by Jesus.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 08:48, 28 January 2009 (EST)

== Rejects ID, Pushes Evolution (Over Christianity!?) ==

This really needs to be a section in the mainspace. Someone unlock or please add a section mentioning the following:

''Rejects ID''
From the responses to a Q&A sent out by Nature: Do you believe that evolution by means of natural selection is a sufficient explanation for the variety and complexity of life on Earth? Should intelligent design, or some derivative thereof, be taught in science class in public schools?

Obama: I believe in evolution, and I support the strong consensus of the scientific community that evolution is scientifically validated. I do not believe it is helpful to our students to cloud discussions of science with non-scientific theories like intelligent design that are not subject to experimental scrutiny. <ref>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/in-obamas-own-words/</ref>

''Pushes Evolution Over Christianity''
Remnick, who at this point could be considered the President of the United States of Magazines, forced Obama to address the topic of religion. "It's not 'faith' if you are absolutely certain," Obama said, noting that he didn't believe his lack of "faith" would hurt him a national election. "Evolution is more grounded in my experience than angels." <ref>http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/magazines/barack_obama_i_inhaled_that_was_the_point_46068.asp</ref>

Wow. [[User:CherylE|CherylE]] 10:17, 28 January 2009 (EST)

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== Demanding Major Change ==

I'm not well educated on Obama enough to write an article on him, and even if I did I would not know where to start, but come on! Someone step up to the plate and correct this article. We atleast need a rewrite that presents a case for him being a christian. It can include all the Rev. Wright stuff you want, but if Conservapedia wants to become "The trustworthy encyclopedia" it has to convey both sides.

As a conservapedian, I don't like where this site is going. When writing articles, we can have conservative viewpoints, just not conservative crusades.

: It's remarkable how people who spell Christian with a small "c" want to insist that Obama is somehow a Christian.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:37, 5 January 2009 (EST)
::Reminiscent of those who assert the title of catholic with a small c, which in fact means something wholly other than a Catholic (i.e., a Roman Catholic) with a large C. (All Christians are in fact catholic with a small c if I understand it's fairly broad meaning.) --[[User:RickD|RickD]] 23:42, 5 January 2009 (EST)

: I don't think you can "demand" anything here. This is not a place where you can get what you want with the well-worn liberal tactic of stamping your feet and throwing a tantrum.
: If you have proof that Obama is a Christian, then let us see it. As far as I can tell, he is completely uninterested in Christian fellowship of any kind, which to me is very telling.
: It is easy to talk the talk. As the Lord himself said:
: '''Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'''' (Matthew 7:22-23)
: When and if Barack Hussein Obama shows some evidence of having been washed clean in the blood of Christ, then we can talk. I'm not holding my breath. --[[User:DavidS|DavidS]] 08:34, 6 January 2009 (EST)

::DeanS, you have proof, it's been shown to you multiple times. All the people seem to be interested here is raising a conspiracy theory. They are so set in their ways that arguing against them will yield no results. That's the whole thing about conspiracy theorists: it doesn't matter what proof you show or how complete it is, they will find some hole, real or imagined, and fill it in with whatever belief they hold to actually add strength to their theories. A quick review of the page reveals 3 telling conspiracy theories that are held in belief by the people who hold power on this website: 1) That Obama is a Muslim (he isn't) 2) That Obama wasn't born in Hawaii (He was), and 3) That the majority of Obama's campaign contributions came from anonymous donors (they didn't). That's why this page has been locked from editing, because it has become a war zone and is unlikely to change if it was unlocked. The only solution at this point is to try and gleam what facts you can from this article, and do your own independent research for more facts concerning Obama. [[User:ShawnJ|ShawnJ]] 09:14, 6 January 2009 (EST)
::: First of all, I'm David, not Dean. Secondly, Obama certainly doesn't ''act'' like any sort of Christian I care to know: he supports [[abortion]], he is a radical [[socialist]] (possibly a [[Communist]]), and he tells falsehoods. I don't know if he is a Muslim or not, but it seems quite likely, and the page has a lot of evidence showing that he is. --[[User:DavidS|DavidS]] 11:44, 6 January 2009 (EST)

::::First, my apologies on the name. Secondly, I'm not claiming that Obama is a good Christian, just that he most certainly is not Muslim. The evidence on this page, many of which are blatant falsehoods, are hardly conclusive proof of anything. I have no doubt that if I held any user here under the same scrutiny that Obama has, I could gather enough "evidence" to make a case that they are any religion I choose them to be. Thirdly, just because he may not be the type of christian you want to know doesn't make him not christian. There are many Christians that I [[Ku Klux Klan|don't care to know]]. Does that make them not Christian?--[[User:ShawnJ|ShawnJ]] 12:13, 6 January 2009 (EST)

== Obama's Atheism ==

I know it is a popular view on this site that Obama is a Muslim, but has anyone considered the possibility that his apparent lack of religious devotion indicates instead that he is an atheist? In an article about Obama on mensvogue.com, it is noted that "Though Obama had long been skeptical of organized religion, he gradually came to embrace it "as a choice, not an epiphany."<ref>http://www.mensvogue.com/business/politics/feature/articles/2006/09/11/barack_obama</ref> It is frequently observed on Conservapedia that his claims of religious activity may be self-serving; could they not be an attempt to hide his atheism instead of his Islamic beliefs? After all, Ron Reagan, Jr. once remarked that nobody ever elects atheists.

In addition, Conservapedia has also pointed out on numerous occasions that atheists are strongly inclined to dislike America. Is it also not possible that Obama's pro-Islamic behavior is not a series of Freudian slips, but rather a manifestation of his liberal dislike for America?

Just some interesting points to consider. Perhaps we could open this up for discussion. --[[User:Economist|Economist]] 18:30, 6 January 2009 (EST)

== Obama Arab-American ==

This article should, at some point, actually say that Obama is African-American, making him the first black president. If you really want to leave room for speculation about Warren G. Harding's ancestry, you could write "first openly black president" or something. But Obama's blackness is clearly a large part of his personal and political identity, and is probably going to be remembered as one of the most historically significant aspects of this election. An article on Barack Obama should contain a direct statement of this information, period.

The editors should also consider putting that information in the first paragraph. I understand that there is no established rule about the ordering of information in a Conservapedia article. However, an uneducated reader looking at this article would learn how long his campaign was before learning that he is the first black president, which doesn't make much sense to me. [[User:Cb201|Cb201]] 16:20, 9 January 2009 (EST)

There is much distortion in the media about Obama being African-American. '''Obama is actually Arab-American''', and I agree that this page should reflect his race.

Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). --[[User:Cwcopela|Cwcopela]] 14:11, 19 January 2009 (EST)

:Does it really matter? It's not the technicalities that define what race Americans perceive Obama as - He looks more black, than white and arabic and that's how people will perceive him - They won't perceive him as another rich religious white guy or as an arab because of technicalities like that. --[[User:Atheuz|Atheuz]]

:*So, perceptions matter above facts? That is typical of [[liberal]] thinking, you know. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 16:06, 19 January 2009 (EST)

== Small comments ==

Hello. Would it be appropriate to create a "family" section in this biography, it seems rather lacking on this point? For the rest it seems very informative, but rather cluttered. Would it be more logical to use a chronological build-up for this biography, such as placing the parts relating to his presidency more to the end of the biography, and his earlier endeavors to the front? Perhaps it would help if the contents table was moved up, at least to end up higher than the first muslim president bit? Let's hope I'm not asking any all-too-stupid questions! ;-) Regards, [[User:AVanbeek|AVanbeek]] 22:51, 12 January 2009 (EST)

: I don't see any of your suggestions as an improvement. Obama's presidential ambition predates the other items you mention, and his personal beliefs are the most significant. Encylopedias, like newspapers, prioritize presentation based on significance.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:59, 12 January 2009 (EST)

:: Shall I go ahead then, and erase "Family" Sections on George W. Bush and McCain's articles? Their great accomplishments surely predate those insignificant sections. [[User:AMurdoc|AMurdoc]] 13:29, 15 January 2009 (EST)
:::Why not go ahead and make some positive contributions to this encyclopaedia by creating wanted articles, rather than attempting to be satirical? [[User:MikeSalter|MikeSalter]] 14:18, 15 January 2009 (EST)

== Lincoln's Bible? ==

Fox News is reporting that Obama will use the Lincoln Bible to be sworn in <ref>http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/23/obama-sworn-using-lincoln-bible/</ref>. I think it's fairly safe to say that it will not be a koran. I also think it is safe to say that this is exactly the kind of trickery a manchurian muslim would use. Is it worth a mention in the "likely muslim" section?

[[User:CWood|CWood]] 11:01, 15 January 2009 (EST)

: I agree, it is safe to say it will not be a Koran. I think i'ts also safe to say this is exactly the kind of "trickery" a Christian would use. Is it worth a mention in the "likely Christian" section? oh wait... [[User:ShawnJ|ShawnJ]] 11:59, 15 January 2009 (EST)
: So Obama is damned if he does use a Bible, and damned if he doesn't. Seems a bit unreasonable. None of those other candidates were ever accused of being "Manchurian Muslims" just because they DID use a Bible to get sworn in. Then again, none of those other candidates had brown skin and a funny name, right? [[User:Cb201|Cb201]] 12:55, 16 January 2009 (EST)
:::Typical [[liberal]] [[race baiting]]... How about you come up with evidence rather than allegations? [[User:CWood|CWood]] 16:47, 18 January 2009 (EST)
::None of the other candidates hid from questions about their past, it's Obama's own fault. Nobody ever said his name was funny except Obama. The brown skin comment is over the top racist ploy. You know very well that there are more respected, patriotic, qualified 'brown skin' people that are deserving of presidency, Obama isn't one of them. FYI- slanderous allegations are deserving of a permanent block here. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 13:03, 16 January 2009 (EST)
:::How about slanderous allegations that a man is lying to the country about his religion? Do those count?

:::I'm not accusing anyone of racism per se. I'm just pointing out that no other presidential candidate has ever had to prove to the country that he is not a Muslim. And let's be honest - that's because all the other presidential candidates have been white guys named George or Bill or Ron or Jimmy, and this one is a black guy named Barack. If people WANT to believe he's a Muslim (the authors of this article clearly do) it's easier to do so. If you can't see the connection between his race/name and the popularity of the belief that he is a Muslim, you're not looking hard enough.

:::Anyway, this is all a moot point. He's not a Muslim. As time goes by after Obama takes office, this page will look increasingly loony. I guess if Obama really turns out to be an Al-Qaeda sleeper agent poised to sabotage the United States in a plot straight out of a Tom Clancy novel, I will be the one looking loony. But I think I'll take that chance.[[User:Cb201|Cb201]] 17:55, 16 January 2009 (EST)

== References ==

Barack Hussein Obama (born in Honolulu,[1][2][3] August 4, 1961) served as a first-term Democratic Senator from Illinois (2004-2008) and then, along with his running mate Senator Joseph Biden, won the presidential election[4] after twenty-three months of campaigning, raising an unprecedented $750 million and spending over $700 million of it,[5]. Post-election, Obama indicated that he would make an unprecedented speech within his first 100 days from a Muslim capital.[6] (7][8]

Obama has espoused the idea of "spreading the wealth,"[10]
in other words raising the tax rates on business and the wealthy in order to redistribute their income to low income individuals, many of whom don't currently pay income taxes.[11] His health care plan requires employers to purchase health care or pay a fine and will require many into a single payer system.[12] To announce his trip to Berlin in July 2008, Obama used posters which show a marked similarity to posters of others.[13] During Obama's youth in Hawaii, he developed a strong, almost Father/Son relationship with Frank Marshall Davis.14]
{{unsigned|Lucyjordan}} 11:00, 17 January 2009

==Picture==
[[Image:AC776AB92D53D08B124F57F6B9B6C2.jpg‎]] Here's a picture of our plotting leader. Too sinister? --[[User:StevenM|Ṣ₮ёVeN]] 09:41, 19 January 2009 (EST)

: Interesting, Steven. But where did you get it from? The uploads should reflect the source and claim of ability to use it, unless before 1923 (in which everything is public domain).--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:22, 19 January 2009 (EST)

::Oh yes. sorry, i got it from the msn.com do i need promission to take photos from there? --[[User:StevenM|Ṣ₮ёVeN]] 14:03, 19 January 2009 (EST)
==References (please leave at bottom of page)==
{{Reflist}}

== Obama/Muslim Support ==

In the May be a Muslim section, it says that he had an increased support of Muslim voters. How does this prove he is Muslim? While this should be kept, It should be moved to another section.

== I know we lost a week... ==
But we can't stay in some alternate universe where G.W.Bush is still president forever, especially if this article is going to link to the front page. We need to update this article to show that Obama is now president. I would do so, but its locked. As it has been. For quite some time. --[[User:DReynolds|DReynolds]] 23:57, 27 January 2009 (EST)

== Low Res Pic ==

Why is the leading picture of Obama such a low resolution version? It looks crappy when stretched [[User:NotALiberal|NotALiberal]] 08:20, 28 January 2009 (EST)

: That's the only picture we could get from the White House Web site. It certainly surprises me, because I would have thought that they would have a very high-resolution picture of..."Him." We might try the White House site again to see whether "He" has corrected this—er—oversight.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]][[User talk:TerryH|Talk]] 08:26, 28 January 2009 (EST)

::Wikipedia found one (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Official_portrait_of_Barack_Obama.jpg) [[User:NotALiberal|NotALiberal]] 08:29, 28 January 2009 (EST)

== Second swearing in ceremony? ==

I'm surprised that this isn't even mentioned in the article, but when Obama retook the Oath he DIDN'T USE A BIBLE. In fact, there was no video recording of the session and the picture taken only showed him from the chest up. This is profound evidence of being Unchristian at the very least. Since we can't see his left hand during the ceremony, it could be on anything ... dare I say, the Koran?? (source http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/21/obama-takes-oath-office/) [[User:NotALiberal|NotALiberal]] 08:40, 28 January 2009 (EST)

: I consider swearing on the Bible to be un-Christian, because of Matthew 5:34-37, where swearing on anything is expressly forbidden by Jesus.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 08:48, 28 January 2009 (EST)

== Rejects ID, Pushes Evolution (Over Christianity!?) ==

This really needs to be a section in the mainspace. Someone unlock or please add a section mentioning the following:

''Rejects ID''
From the responses to a Q&A sent out by Nature: Do you believe that evolution by means of natural selection is a sufficient explanation for the variety and complexity of life on Earth? Should intelligent design, or some derivative thereof, be taught in science class in public schools?

Obama: I believe in evolution, and I support the strong consensus of the scientific community that evolution is scientifically validated. I do not believe it is helpful to our students to cloud discussions of science with non-scientific theories like intelligent design that are not subject to experimental scrutiny. <ref>http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/in-obamas-own-words/</ref>

''Pushes Evolution Over Christianity''
Remnick, who at this point could be considered the President of the United States of Magazines, forced Obama to address the topic of religion. "It's not 'faith' if you are absolutely certain," Obama said, noting that he didn't believe his lack of "faith" would hurt him a national election. "Evolution is more grounded in my experience than angels." <ref>http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/magazines/barack_obama_i_inhaled_that_was_the_point_46068.asp</ref>

Wow. [[User:CherylE|CherylE]] 10:17, 28 January 2009 (EST)

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'''Pundit''' is an expert or opinion-leader who analyzes events in his or her area of expertise. In [[India]] is a priest or learned man.

== See also ==

*[[Sean Hannity]]
*[[Bill O'Reilly]]
*[[Michelle Malkin]]
*[[Glenn Beck]]
*[[Rush Limbaugh]]
*[[Fox News Channel]]

[[category:Journalists]]

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== Happy New Year, Dean! ==

{{cquote|'''Cheers to a new year and another chance for us to get it right!'''--Oprah Winfrey}}
--[[User:TK|'''₮K''']][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 23:23, 31 December 2008 (EST)
:Thanks Terry. Happy New Year to you as well. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 01:04, 1 January 2009 (EST)

== Images ==

Dean, I saw you protected [[:Image:20080919-2 p091908jb-0025-1-515h.jpg]] (amongst others). Couldn't we have a a policy of having descriptive file names for images? That image name is not only too long but tells us nothing about the image. If I had been fortunate enough to have merited sysop rights then sorting out the image library would have been my first pet project. I can only hope that some keen adminstrator will try and clean it up. [[User:BrianCo|BrianCo]] 10:54, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:I like your idea BrianCo. Why don't you propose your idea on Andy's talk page. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 10:57, 1 January 2009 (EST)

== upload file not working? ==

the "upload file" command says some sort of "internal error" do you know what's up? [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 03:01, 6 January 2009 (EST)

*Sit tight, the proper authorities have been notified. We regret any inconvenience. ;-) --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Administrator[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 03:07, 6 January 2009 (EST)
:Thanks Terry. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 03:09, 6 January 2009 (EST)

::It isn't me, Dean...I am running my new bot, ''Sheriff-bot''. TK will be back later. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Administrator[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 03:12, 6 January 2009 (EST)
:::Ok. You can tell me about this ''Sheriff-bot'' offline. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 03:15, 6 January 2009 (EST)

== Thank you! ==

for helping out with [[Fiji]]! --[[User:JessicaT|KotomiT]][[User talk:JessicaT|''ohayougozaimasu'']] 08:50, 6 January 2009 (EST)
:You're welcome Kotomi. Thanks for your contributions to Conservpedia. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 09:25, 6 January 2009 (EST)

==Wikiproject:News Wanted Pages==
Let's add the medal people can earn on the page as incentive. Plus, I will attack some more of those words <s>tomorrow</s>Thursday to try and generate interest.--Jpatt 01:36, 7 January 2009 (EST)
:We could ask Rod Weathers to generate a medal like the others he made. I created a couple of articles tonight. It's good if we're leading the way in creating these articles. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 01:41, 7 January 2009 (EST)

Dean, thanks much for your tremendously insightful news posting a few minutes ago. It topped another day of insights on this site.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:31, 8 January 2009 (EST)
:Andy, that insightful post came from ''Jpatt'', one of our new admins. I just made a few small corrections to the news items. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 00:03, 9 January 2009 (EST)

== Please block ==

Please could you block the blasphemous vandal DanielP? Thanks--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:13, 9 January 2009 (EST)
:Done. Thanks for the alert. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 11:16, 9 January 2009 (EST)

::No problem - thanks for the swift response. I think AlbertW has reverted most of the vandalism.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:17, 9 January 2009 (EST)

== Great block ==

Great block, Dean. No one has to block all the sub-accounts that were just created. The vandal simply wasted his time. You've blocked his IP for those accounts also with your first block.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:51, 9 January 2009 (EST)
:Thanks Andy. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 11:53, 9 January 2009 (EST)
::I don't know that I agree, Andy. The accounts could be used by different IPs and I found that one of the [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=newusers&user=&page=User%3ATimL&year=&month=-1 socks], TimL, made an [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Gravitation&curid=8247&diff=606088&oldid=604847 edit] almost three hours after DavidJ's IP was blocked. He then got blocked by Dean. So I took the initiative now to block all those socks, just to be safe. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 11:52, 10 January 2009 (EST)

::: Thanks, Foxtrot!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:55, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Glad to be of service :-) -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 12:13, 10 January 2009 (EST)
== Governors ==
Thanks for adding on to Washington. Originally I was sticking with just the state governors and not the territorial ones, but I suppose more information is better! [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 18:24, 10 January 2009 (EST)
:I first saw the list and noticed Gregoire wasn't on there. Then I saw the full list on the state website and decided to fill in the blanks. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 18:27, 10 January 2009 (EST)
::Looks like I found a severely dated source, huh? I'll check more carefully. Thanks again! [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 18:31, 10 January 2009 (EST)

== Mainpage picture size, My apologies, no offense intended ==

DeanS,

I did not notice that you had reversed my edits as far as the picture sizes to the main page. I was somewhat tired when I was doing the editing. My apologies.

Secondly, I did not notice that the picture sizes I chose were making the right and left columns unequal in width. For various reasons, I do agree with you that right and left columns on the main page should be somewhat equal in width. Therefore, I made the pictures smaller. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 05:35, 11 January 2009 (EST)
:Thank you Conservative. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 06:28, 11 January 2009 (EST)

== With Apologies ==
Sorry about the atom article. The formatting seems weird, but I only made it worse. Sorry. I'm a wiki noob.--[[User:DReynolds|DReynolds]] 16:20, 13 January 2009 (EST)
:No problem. I recommend using the "Show preview" button before saving. ;-) --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 16:42, 13 January 2009 (EST)

==Plane crash story==
Sorry to bother with this, but could someone add a link on this news story to the pilot himself- [[Chesley Sullenberger]]. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 21:04, 15 January 2009 (EST)
:Done. Thanks for creating the article and the suggestion. Btw, as an admin, you can edit the Main page yourself if you want to. ;-) --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 10:29, 16 January 2009 (EST)
::I have been watching this story on our news-stations here. Amazing! Truly miraculous that the pilot bought it down safely and nobody died. --[[User:JessicaT|KotomiT]][[User talk:JessicaT|''nandeyanen?'']] 10:36, 16 January 2009 (EST)
:::Exactly. Chesley Sullenberger is a true hero. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 10:42, 16 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks! The page is now at 90 views! Also,I know I can edit the main page, but I could not find where to edit the actual news stories. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 13:57, 16 January 2009 (EST)
:Try these new instructions: [[Wikiproject:News#Editing_the_.22In_the_News.22_section|Editing the "In the News" section]]. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 14:38, 16 January 2009 (EST)

== Help, please! ==

Hi Dean - I was recently banned (I believe by you) for having the same address as my stepson. It's a long story, but basically we started sparring over Wikipedia after I walked in on him watching a Daily Show clip where they make fun of Conservapedia and laud Wikipedia. We try not to argue, but conservative Christianity has become a hot button issue between us lately and we have had some exchanges. He recently boasted about vandalizing the site so I decided to do my part to improve it. Please don't let his vandalism silence me! If you could please not ban me again but disable account creation for this IP, I would be very thankful. God bless, [[User:CherylE|CherylE]] 09:32, 28 January 2009 (EST)