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Talk:Essay:47 million Americans without health insurance lie

2010-01-16T20:49:23Z

CharlieT:

I'm sorry, I am NOT trolling. I just need to say, as someone without health insurance, whatever the number is, and whatever the political ideology, the idea that if I was in a country with socialized medicine then I could be treated for my ailments, that is a serious issue. Being screwed because I'm "too poor", is that not elitism? [[User:Kwasi92|Kwasi92]] 12:29, 16 January 2010 (EST)

:I know your situation, one whereby healthcare costs are out of your financial ability and the utopia of "affordable healthcare for everyone" is what sounds good. It's too good to be true, it really is coming from these particular politicians (whatever the political ideology). Our all too compassionate country has set up program after program to help the less fortunate with taxpayer money. Non-profit companies of a free market system, Americans have donated more than any other country in the world. Hurting generations to come will look back and say "Economic suicide", sharp tongues , and broken promises. Don't trust big government, defend the oath! --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 13:22, 16 January 2010 (EST)
:I'll add that I think you should apply to be a Canadian citizen, I'm not kidding and it's relatively simple. Enter their healthcare system. If treatment means life, you have no options then go there. However, can you afford to wait in line with all the other Canadians suffering the same ailments, sometimes years? They will draw your name from a lottery and give you a shout-out "you won" visit to see the doc, because that is how "healthcare for all" works.--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 13:37, 16 January 2010 (EST)
::Even if the rather extreme view you gave was true, Kwasi92 would still have a better chance of getting treatment in Canada than in the US. There is no lottery; there's a queue, and if at any point your ailment becomes near-immediately life threatening they will treat it anyway (I'm no expert on Canada's system; I'm assuming it's similar to Britain's). The DoI gives "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" as unalienable rights, and I don't understand how so many people feel comfortable with a system that allows all three to be infringed upon; the first is obvious, the second by forcing people into debt to pay for high healthcare bills, and the third by not allowing people with life-altering illnesses treatment unless they can pay for it. [[User:CharlieT|CharlieT]] 15:01, 16 January 2010 (EST)
:::Well, I don't expect everyone to agree with me, I find your points...let's say... vague. Not a "lottery" it's really just a queue? What is a word for wait inline with others? The following link says otherwise [http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/real-canadian-health-care-field-trip.html] Who makes this decision ''" any point your ailment becomes near-immediately life threatening" ''? The American healthcare system is SUPERIOR on so many different levels when compared to socialized medicine.--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 15:20, 16 January 2010 (EST)
::::Your link doesn't work, so I'll try again later. As I said, I'm unfamiliar with the Canadian system, but I highly doubt they use a lottery; I'm going by the British system, where your place in the queue decides when you get treatment. A doctor decides whether your problem has become immediately life-threatening, or you can call 999 and get an ambulance; it's not as if your appendix ruptures or your arm falls off and you have to wait two weeks for treatment; you will be rushed to hospital and operated on immediately. You don't go before a 'death panel' before or after which asks you how productive your life has been or tests your political loyalty <s>or asks whether you can pay</s>. I'll admit American healthcare is better, but that's because they can go about their business without regard to cost; they choose who to treat, confident in the knowledge that the bottom line doesn't matter, because the patient will pay; those that can't go out on their ear (unless, I'm hoping, it's a true emergency). American healthcare is probably better - for those who can get it. The system, however, I consider worse, for those who can't afford it don't get it. Socialized healthcare is probably worse, because a) they don't have a limitless amount of money to spend and b) they treat EVERYONE, so they have to treat more people, but still, I consider the socialized system the better of the two, because everyone receives treatment. My preference, however, is for a system like Britain's; private healthcare for those who want and can afford it, and that takes pressure off the socialized system which treats everyone else (and treats them well, however many scare stories about people waking up with three arms you hear). [[User:CharlieT|CharlieT]] 15:49, 16 January 2010 (EST)

Talk:Essay:47 million Americans without health insurance lie

2010-01-16T20:01:05Z

CharlieT:

Talk:John 8-14 (Translated)

2010-01-02T18:29:20Z

CharlieT: /* 8:1-11 Adulteress Story */

== 8:1-11 Adulteress Story ==

There are actually two issues relating to this passage, one of import to the textual scholars and translators ("Is it original to the Gospel of John?"), the other of interest to the theologians and historians ("Did this event actually happen?"). Since I am functioning primarily as a translator here, I will deal with the first question . . . uh, first.

Scholars have long accepted that the first and best source for evidence regarding the authenticity of any passage in scripture is the "combined" testimony of the "witnesses" (manuscripts and letters from early church Fathers), and that of these, the earlier the witness, the stronger the case (taking into consideration such things as the frequency of demonstrable errors, which can reflect on the reliability of the entire manuscript, and the condition of the leaves in the manuscript). Of the earliest witnesses, only P66 is seriously suspect (having as many as 5 times more demonstrable errors than P75), and discounting the "intentional corruption" theories of the "KJV only" crowd (for which there is not one single shred of actual evidence), it is reasonable and logical to place the highest degree of authority on the combined testimony of P66 (with reservations), P75, Sinaiticus, Alexandrinus, Vaticanus, Ephraemi Rescriptus and Bezae Cantabrigeinsis when evaluating the Gospel of John, as these are the seven oldest complete or nearly complete copies of John in existence.

Here is their testimony concerning this passage: It appears ONLY in one of this group (Ephraemi Rescriptus), meaning that in the oldest manuscripts, 86% claim it is not original. When further taking into consideration that if you expand this search out to include all copies of John for the first 800 years of Christianity, the case becomes even stronger, rising to over 90% of all manuscripts which do not include it. With this evidence, the case against it being original to the gospel of John approaches near certainty.

Contrast this with the case for or against Mark 16:9-20, and this becomes even more glaring. Where the story of the adulteress is found in less than 10% of all manuscripts in the first 800 years of Christianity, the last 12 verses of Mark are only missing from about 10% of all manuscripts in the first 800 years of Christianity. Of the five oldest complete Bibles, it is missing from Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, and is present in Alexandrinus, Ephraemi Rescriptus, an Bezae Cantabrigeinsis (and Vaticanus has a blank space exactly large enough to include it, where no other NT book in Vaticanus ends with a blank space). This makes the case among the oldest manuscripts FOR the inclusion either 60% or 80% (depending on how the blank space in Vaticanus is interpreted), but when the parameters are extended out to the first 800 years of Christianity, we find an almost reversal of the passage with the Adulteress, where nearly 90% of all manuscripts INCLUDE the last 12 verses of Mark.

It should be clear from this that the case against the adulteress passage being original is quite overwhelming, and thus, barring a new manuscript discovery which could cast new light on this matter, we can conclude with a high degree of certainty that John did NOT author these 11 verses.

At this point I would like to note the following: When considering the authenticity of this passage, I couldn't care less how the liberals, atheists, Buddhist, Muslims, Homosexuals, PTA members, Senators, Boy Scouts, Red Hatters, Kewanis Club Members or anyone else does or does not twist the meaning of this or any other passage of scripture. Their ignorance or insight has no bearing on Truth.

Now we come to the second question: "Did this event actually happen?"

While we know that John is not the author of this passage, that does not automatically mean the event did not occur. In fact, when examining the evidence, we discover that while the evidence for its exclusion from John is overwhelming, the opposite is true when it comes to an independent examination of whether or not this event actually happened: the evidence is overwhelming that this event, or something very close to it, actually did occur.

The forgiving of the adulteress is mentioned in passing by at least one early church father (Papias) PRIOR to the creation of the earliest existing copies of the gospel of John. That is a HUGE bit of evidence. Further, not only is it repeatedly mentioned by early church fathers in the second, third and fourth centuries, but Jerome (fifth century) goes so far as to claim those who exclude it are the ones who are distorting scripture. The key thing to note is that none of the early church fathers from the first three centuries claim that it is found in the Gospel according to John (Jerome is the first to make that claim), but nearly all of them seem to know the story.

Examining the combination of everyone in the first few centuries of Christianity seeming to know the story, yet it being absent from nearly all existing manuscripts from that same time period, has led nearly all modern Biblical scholars (both conservative and liberal) to conclude that while it is clearly NOT original to John, it appears to be the one and only example of an actual event in Jesus' life which was transmitted down through the first few centuries via oral tradition, and was later written down and added to John so that it would not be lost to future generations.

So, in the same way that the evidence for its exclusion from John is overwhelming, the evidence for it being an actual historically accurate event is also overwhelming.

Which brings us to my conclusion.

While the bible contains an accurate account of many historical events, it is much, much more than a history book. While it contains the purest and most accurate explanations of philosophical and theological doctrines, it is much more than merely a book of doctrine or philosophy. The Bible is God-breathed. It is the Word of God in a way that no other book can ever claim to be. Many books can be completely accurate when it comes to the transmission of the events recorded within their pages (I and II Maccabees comes to mind), but there is an eternity of difference between accurate history and being God-breathed. The reason it matters to me what is and is not original, the reason I have spent so many decades studying the contents of as many of the existing manuscripts as I can get my hands on, is that I want to hear and read the one and only God-breathed book in existence, and I want it to be as uncluttered as is possible to make it.

Jesus did LOTS of things that did not make it into the Bible. God knows why that is, and I will not second guess His wisdom and knowledge. In His book, God tells us what He has decided we NEED to know, but rarely does He tell us everything we WANT to know. So I can say with a very high degree of certainty that the events described in this account probably DID happen, and I can also say with a very high degree of certainty that the record of those events, while probably being very accurate, are NOT God-breathed, and thus, they do not belong in the bible.

Can we learn from them? Absolutely, but do NOT place this account on the same level as the Bible. It is better placed along side the writings of such notable authors as Jerome, Eusebius, Tertullian, and Augustine, or if this works better for you, Andy Stanley, Ravi Zacharias, Chuck Colson, and Charles Swindoll.

Again, the fact that liberals twist the meaning of this passage is of no relevance to me or to this issue. They twist every "judge not" statement in the entire Bible. That is their job, and their job has no bearing on Truth.[[User:MBack|Michael Back]] 8:01, 19 November 2009 (EST)

:Thanks for your superb analysis, Michael, from which I learned immensely.

:For the record, the ideological objection is not to how liberals "twist" this passage, but how the passage itself is written in such a liberal way that it renders its authenticity doubtful. It would be akin to discovering a passage that said something like this: "Jesus then said that government should take from the rich and give to the poor." Historical analysis can prove that to be non-authentic; political analysis can reach the same conclusion more efficiently and with a high degree of certitude.

:Jesus did not forgive without repentance, yet the Adulteress Story claims He did. Jesus did not comment on capital punishment, yet the Adulteress Story claims He did. Jesus was not permissive about adultery, yet the Adulteress Story He was. Older people are not always wiser than younger ones, yet the Adulteress Story claims they are. And so on.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:15, 19 November 2009 (EST)

:: I understand your concerns completely, and yet, I would say that the liberal evaluation of the story has no bearing to what the story is actually relating. What Jesus DID do was read people's hearts, and act on that knowledge. What He DID do was show mercy to an entire planet that was condemned to death. What He DID do was forgive people of the most heinous of crimes and then charge them to "sin no more." And every now and then, the older people actually get it right, despite being senile, stuck in their ways, ruled by tradition, and stubborn as mules. So the liberal analysis of this passage is wrong? Frankly, that's not news. But either way, accurate or not, it should not be in the Bible. [[User:MBack|Michael Back]] 8:34, 19 November 2009 (EST)

::: Fair enough, with respect to recognizing the passage as non-authentic. Debating beyond that is unnecessary for this project.

::: By the way, John 8:35 presents an entirely different issue: should the words of Jesus be translated with the term "slave"? By its context, He's not talking about English-style slavery.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:46, 19 November 2009 (EST)

::::By western word definitions, "doulos" is more of a "bond-servant" than a slave. They were usually in slavery due to debts owed, and could often work their way out of that debt, and thus gain their freedom. We think of a slave in terms of the American version, where people were born into it, lived their life in it, and died slaves, with no realistic hope of ever gaining freedom. That is not what a doulos was, so my translation preference would be "servant" or "bond-servant." [[User:MBack|Michael Back]] 12:39, 20 November 2009 (EST)

I have decided, for now, to leave 8:1-11 untranslated, as I feel the evidence is overwhelming that it should not be included in the text. If there is a compelling reason as to why it should be translated, let me know and I may reconsider. --[[User:MBack|Michael Back]] 15:21, 21 November 2009 (EST)

: Had an interesting conversation with a professor from Liberty University the other day about this passage, and he made an interesting point about the nature of inspiration. Anyway, I think I'm going to go ahead and translate the adulterous passage, but keep the entire thing in bracketed italics, meaning, based on the evidence, I don't believe it is original. If I were making this translation, I would put it in a footnote, saying that the evidence is pretty strong that it was added later (in fact, it is found in Luke in one manuscript), although the evidence from the early church Father's suggests that it may have actually occurred.--[[User:MBack|Michael Back]] 12:46, 2 January 2010 (EST)

::That sounds best. Just add in a footnote saying that the story is true, but it was not originally part of the Bible. [[User:CharlieT|CharlieT]] 13:29, 2 January 2010 (EST)

== Amen Amen ==

I would appreciate some input and ideas on a better way to translate this idiom. I have used the "truly, truly" formula, but am rather unhappy with that. However, I'm having a little bit of a brain malfunction on being able to come up with a better one that doesn't just sound hokey. Essentially, "amen amen" means "Pay very close attention to this," "this is especially important," or "if you don't hear anything else I say, hear this" . . . all of which are too long and unwieldy. So I would greatly appreciate some creative input on this phrase. One suggestion is "listen up!" or "Hear me!" Any ideas, comments, whatever? Thanks. --[[User:MBack|Michael Back]] 15:26, 31 December 2009 (EST)

Cricket (game)

2009-12-29T14:59:30Z

CharlieT: Idealistic, but unfortunately untrue.

[[Image:Cricket_match.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Australia vs India, Sydney Cricket Ground, January 2004. Note how the pitch being used is merely one of many that can be in various stages of preparation.]]
'''Cricket''' is a bat and ball game played between two teams of eleven, normally in the local summer season. At international level, it is played primarily in three forms: Test cricket (played over five days) and one-day cricket (a shortened form of the game, with each team batting one innings of up to 50 overs). A recent innovation has been the "Twenty20" match (20 overs per side).

Cricket is also played at provincial and county levels.

==International Game==
The International Cricket Council (ICC) governs the game internationally, and recognizes the national cricket administrations of each country.

On a global scale cricket is only surpassed by [[soccer]] in terms of popularity; it is the primary spectator sport in [[India]], [[Pakistan]], [[Bangladesh]], [[Sri Lanka]], and the [[West Indies]], and of major importance in England, [[Australia]], [[New Zealand]], and [[South Africa]], and in many other places that were historically affected by British colonial influence. Cricket has a low profile in the United States, where baseball is the dominant bat and ball sport, but it is played in various regions. (As of March 2007, the ICC rejected the recognition of the [[USA Cricket Association]] until it adopted a viable constitution and rules, and created a workable administration.)

===Code of Laws===
Marylebone Cricket Club in [[London]], which operates The Lord's ground, was formed in 1787. A year later, it composed a Code of Laws that were adopted throughout the game. The MCC remains the custodian and arbiter of Laws relating to cricket around the world.

==The Pitch==
Cricket is played on a [[pitch]] essentially a flat [[grass]] playing field, that is 22 yards (66 feet or 1 chain or 20.12 m) long and 10 feet wide.

The pitch is marked with various lines or 'creases', and is double-ended so that alternate 'overs' are played from both ends:
*One 'bowling crease' is drawn at each end of the pitch to mark the ends of the pitch. The three stumps in the set of stumps at that end of the pitch are along this crease. The bowling creases may be used to determine whether there is a 'no ball' because a fieldsman has encroached on the pitch or the wicket keeper has moved in front of the wicket before he is permitted to do so.
*One 'popping crease' is drawn at each end of the pitch in front of each of the two sets of stumps, 4 feet (1.22 m) in front of and parallel to the bowling crease. The popping crease is used in one test of whether the bowler has bowled a 'no ball'. To avoid a no ball, some part of the bowler's front foot in the delivery stride (that is, the stride when he releases the ball) must be behind the popping crease (although the bowler's front foot does not have to be grounded).
*A return crease is drawn on each side of each set of the stumps, 4 feet 4 inches (1.32 m) either side of and parallel to the imaginary line joining the centres of the two middle stumps. The return creases are primarily used to determine whether the bowler has bowled a no ball. To avoid a no ball, some part of the bowler's back foot in the delivery stride must land within and not touching the return crease.

As imperfections in the playing surface may affect the behavior of the ball, the pitch is considered high-maintenance as it has to be regularly rolled, watered and cut to ensure suitability for play. A [[groundskeeper]] is usually employed for this purpose.

An ideal pitch has fine grass growing in the turf to retain the consistency of the pitch and to prevent cracking, yet its grass has been cut so that the underlying ground is fully exposed.

An innovation in recent years has been the 'drop-in pitch', which is prepared and tended away from the field of play and then dropped into a specially constructed slot in the ground in place of normal turf. Final preparation is done after the pitch is in place.

Alternatives to the grass pitch are:
*Concrete topped with plastic 'grass' carpet, matting, or rubber (crushed or granulated, or a section of rubber conveyor belt);
*Concrete pitch (often with green pigment, or painted green);
*Clay surface, watered and rolled;
*A vulcanized rubber surface (introduced to England's famous Gloucester Cricket Ground in response to the floods of summer 2007);

==Equipment==
Cricket balls are made from [[cork]] with a [[leather]] cover, and are traditionally red (but white balls in limited over cricket (ODI's and Twenty20's). Bats are [[willow]] treated with linseed oil.

The normal clothing for cricketers is white, or it may coloured for limited over matches:
*long trousers;
*long sleeves shirt (may be short sleeved for night matches);
*stud soled shoes; and
*cap or hat.

A normal cricketer's cap has a small beak at the front. Members of national teams are 'capped' (given their own team cap) when they are picked for their team. In recent times, it is normal to have cricketers optionally wearing a soft, canvas, broad-brimmed hat (often colloquially called a "floppy"

In recent years, team member's shirts often bear a number [[enbroidery|embroidered]] below the national or team crest. This number is their 'cap' ranking, their number in the players who have been selected to play, since the national, state, or county first played (perhaps as early as the 1800s.) For example: the Australian team captain, [[Ricky Ponting]], wears number 366 in the national side and 123 for Australia's One Day International team<ref>[http://www.cricket.com.au/default.aspx?s=playersmendetails&profileid=30 Ponting], Cricket Australia, accessed 16 February 2008</ref>.

The batsman uses pads (shin, arm and body guards), padded gloves, a 'box' (a protection for the groin), and protective headgear in response to the hazards of modern fast-bowling techniques.

The wicketkeeper is the only fielder allowed to wear gloves, which are made of soft leather with rubber palms to help grip the ball.

==Officials==
Two umpires take to the field for major matches. The umpire at the bowler's end stands behind the stumps and watches the delivery stride of the bowler, the flight of the ball to adjudicate 'wide' or 'no ball' deliveries, and where it might strike the batsman or his bat.

The 'leg' umpire normally stands behind the batsman (on the 'leg' side of the field) and watches the flight of the ball and any deflection from the bat, in order to assist the other umpire in making a decision about a 'wide' or 'no ball' or a catch behind the stumps.

A 'third umpire' has been instituted for test and some state/county matches in recent years to decide close decisions for stumpings and run-outs, using video equipment and slow speed replays.

The captain of the fielding side is also considered an umpire for the specific circumstance where he believes a batsman has been unfairly been give 'out' by the other umpires. He may call the batsman back to continue his innings at bat. The captain is often fielding closer to the batsman than the umpires, and may have seen or heard the circumstances more clearly. This prerogative is rarely exercised, but shows high levels of sportsmanship as it effectively counters the wishes of other members of his team.

The scorers are considered to be officials. The field umpires use a system of hand and body gestures to indicate runs scored and other matters to the scorers, who are off the field.

In major games, such as international tests and national competitions, a referee is appointed by the convening body. This person does not go on the field of play, but watches from the stands. In hierarchy above the umpires, he can independently decide or be appealed to for decisions on matters of [[gamesmanship]], etiquette, or cricket rules.

==Test (First Class) cricket - an overview==
Test cricket is played between the national teams of two countries. Most test series are 'best of' three or five matches. Typically, various limited over matches are also played as part of the 'season', including several 'warm-up' matches to assist the visiting team to become familiar with local conditions. As each major city in a country has a premier ground, a season normally involves matches in various cities.

A day's play consists of 90 overs of 6 balls (540 'legal' balls), usually divided into three 2 hour sessions with breaks for lunch and tea.

===The Ground===
The size of the field of play varies widely between cricket grounds, but the '''''pitch''''' in the centre is always 22 yards long and 10 feet wide. At either end of this pitch are two sets of '''''wickets''''', consisting of three wooden posts ('''''stumps''''') upon which rest two wooden '''''bails'''''. While most 'international' grounds are of generally similar size, most matches are now played with a '''''boundary rope''''' at a standard distance from the pitch around the edge of the field inside the white picket fence fence.

===Getting Out===
A batsman can be dismissed ('''''given out''''') in a number of different ways. These are:
* '''Bowled''' – the ball hits the stumps (wicket) and removes the bails direct from the bowler’s delivery, or after hitting only the bat or the batsman's hands (gloves) which are on the bat handle.
* '''Caught''' – the batsman hits the ball and it is caught by the fielding side before it touches the ground.
* '''LBW''' (leg before wicket) – the batsman fails to hit the ball and it strikes him in such a way that the umpire judges it would have gone on to hit the stumps. Note: This mode of dismissal depends on a number of other factors.
* '''Stumped''' – This is a particular case of 'run out' when the wicket keeper takes the ball immediately after delivery and breaks the stumps while the batsman has been attempting a shot while ahead of his crease.
* '''Run out''' – The fielding team get the ball to the wickets and 'breaks' the bails from the stumps while the batsman is outside the crease.
* '''Hit wicket''' - The batsman hits the stumps with his bat, or steps on the stumps while rearing back from a ball, breaking the bails.
* '''Handled the ball''' - The batsman touches the ball without the permission of the fielding side.
* '''Hit the ball twice''' - The batsman hits the ball twice without the intent of guarding his wicket. Tapping the ball from rolling onto your stumps is legal while hitting a throw away is an out.
* '''Obstructing the field''' - The batsman stops a fielder from fielding. This does not include unintentional bumping or running between the ball and a fielder.
* '''Timed out''' - If the batsman takes more than three minutes to get onto the pitch he is declared out. If the delay is even longer, the umpire may decide the batting team has forfeited.
* '''Retired hurt''' - The batsman loses the will to bat/keep batting or is too seriously injured. In the case of an injury sustained during the present game, the batsman may return to the crease at a later date if his injury is repaired.

===Win, Draw, or Tie===
In order to win, a team must dismiss the opposition twice (that is, take 20 wickets) and have scored more runs, within the five days. A match is a 'draw' if either team fails to dismiss the other twice, irrespective of how many runs may have been scored. A 'tie' is when the scores are level at the end of all sessions of play; no extra play is normally used to break a tie in a test match, but extra overs are played in some limited over matches.

===Batting and fielding===
The batting side must always have two batsmen operating in partnership, and each member of the batting team is allowed to bat once and only once in an innings. Thus, although they have eleven players, once ten wickets have fallen they are '''''all out''''' and their '''''innings''''' is over. The batting and fielding sides then swap roles and this cycle is repeated so that both teams have two opportunities to bat.

The game begins with the toss of a coin between the two captains, supervised by the field umpires. The winning captain then elects to bat or field.

Two batsmen (the '''''openers''''') take to the field accompanied by the entire fielding side and two umpires. The batsman who is to receive the first ball is '''''on strike''''' and takes guard in front of his wicket. His '''''non-striking''''' partner waits at the other end of the pitch.

The fielding side nominates a bowler, who has six balls (six balls = one '''''over''''') with which to dismiss the batsman. Bowlers normally bowl overarm, and must not straighten the elbow during the delivery of the ball. (Underarm delivery, similar to that used in [[Softball]], was at one time the only form of delivery. It is now banned. A famous case of its use in an Australia-New Zealand test match resulted in derision for the Australian captain who asked a bowler to use this technique in order to stop the batting side from making a necessary run to win.)

Typically, bowlers take a run up before delivering a ball. A bowler may not bowl consecutive overs, so that typically two bowlers will bowl alternative overs until the captain decides to make a switch. In theory any player may bowl, but in practice no more than five or six of the eleven will usually participate. One other member of the fielding side acts as the wicket-keeper, standing directly behind the wicket to catch any missed balls, or any balls where the batsman managed only a faint touch. The remaining members of the fielding side (who are specialist batsmen) spend the entire innings fielding.

====Batting theory====
Batsmen may be either left or right handed: The bat is the same for each.

The batsmen can run any number of runs at any time, even if the ball has not been struck.

The batsman aims to hit the ball in such a way that he and his fellow batsman can run safely to the other end and ground his bat, or a piece of his body (foot, hand, etc), within the popping crease before the fielding side can effect a run out. Hitting the ball well into the outfield causes the fielding side to chase the ball and throw it back to the wicket keeper or another player who 'backs up' at the bowling end of the pitch.

Long hits to poorly defended parts of the ground may allow the batsmen to run four, or the ball may get to the fence for four.

At certain times the ball is deemed to be 'dead' and the batsmen can wander safely on the pitch between the creases, for example to converse on tactics.

A good batsman in the top order (batting at positions 1-6) is normally capable of getting 20-50 runs and possibly 100 or many more. The 'lower order' batsmen in a good team, normally the specialist bowlers, may be able to 'slash' 20 runs on a good day.

====Bowling theory====
The bowler has two goals, which are not mutually exclusive:
*get the batsmen out, as they can no longer score in that innings; and
*prevent the batsman from scoring.

It may seem that the bowler should always aim at the batsman's legs, which are in front of the stumps. This is normally easily defended. Hence, bowlers normally bowl a range of balls away from the stumps hoping to lure the batsman into playing a rash or mis-timed shot that goes to a catch or allows the fielders to create a run out.

Bowlers come in three types: Quick, Medium, and Slow (or 'spin'). A top-level team will normally have a bowling attack with two or three quick bowlers, one specialist slow (spin) bowler, and several general players capable of medium pace bowling.

'''Quick''' or fast bowlers may be delivering balls travelling at 136 to 150 kmh (85 to 95 mph). The ball is intended to either:
*hit the pitch on the seam (between the two halves of the leather) and thereby to bounce (un)predictably, or
*swing in the air towards or away from the bat.
*intimidate the batsman into making an error out of fear. Note that in cricket, unlike in baseball it is considered a legitimate tactic to attempt to injure the batsman by striking him with the ball in the head or other parts of the body.

'''Medium''' pace bowlers use similar tactics to fast bowlers but aim to create more diversity within the speed of their bowling so as to trick the batsman's timing of his swing at the ball.

'''Slow''' (or '''spin''') bowlers use either wrist or finger spinning techniques to get the ball to swing in the air, or bounce markedly off the pitch in either direction, and thereby snick the bat and be caught or bounce behind the batsman's guard into the stumps.

Normally, the quick bowlers will open the attack, and bowl for about two hours (or to the end of the first session.) The bowling will then be mixed up, with medium and slow, or quick-medium. At any time the captain may call for a change of bowling to 'mix up' the batsmen and seek to induce lax shots that can create an 'out'.

=====Over versus around=====
Whether the bowler is right or left handed, they have two options for approaching the pitch to bowl the ball.
*Over the wicket: The bowler's bowling arm is nearer the stumps. (A right handed bowler passes to the left of the stumps.)
*Around the wicket: The bowler typically crosses in front of the umpire who is standing back slightly, and the bowler's bowling arm is away from the stumps. (A right handed bowler crosses the mid-line of the wicket and passes the stumps to the left and behind him.)

Bowlers will often change delivery direction in order land the ball in a patch of rough or cracked turf. The irregular or uneven bounce that results is intended to reduce the scoring rate or induce desperate or intemperate shots by the batsman.

By changing his distance away from the stumps (while remaining within the delivery crease), the bowler can achieve a range of approach angles which, when combined with spin and delivery speed, offers the attacking side a broad range of options.

While it is possible for the bowler to change deliveries at each ball, typically a whole over will be bowled using one or the other of these possible delivery methods. In any case, before the delivery, the bowler must inform the umpire who will in turn inform the batsman.

=====Grip and concealment=====
The bowlers are under no obligation to inform the batsman about their particular technique for delivering the ball. Bowlers have certain grips on the ball that, if the batsman is able to pick up the shape of the fist or the splay of the fingers, will give a fraction of a second's advantage in determining what shot the batsman may use, or whether to take a step down or across the wicket.

Bowlers will often adopt strategies to prevent the batsman seeing the delivery hand, such as:
*holding their 'off' hand over the delivery hand during their strides to the crease;
*holding the ball in the 'off' hand until the last delivery stride;
*cocking the hand so that the bowler sees the back of the hand and not the fingers (and their particular grip on the ball);
*striding in with the delivery arm behind their body.

===Fielding positions===

The fielding team has eleven players on the field. One is the bowler, and one the wicket-keeper, leaving nine players to be distributed around the field in such a way as to maximise the fielding team's chances of preventing runs being scored and/or taking a wicket. Different situations call for different distributions, and part of the tactical and strategic skill of cricket (sometimes referred to as its chess-like nature) is to position the fielders to maximum advantage. Each position has a name, and some of the names (such as "silly mid off" and "short fine leg") can seem amusing to non-cricketers.<ref>[http://www.cricinfo.com/db/ABOUT_CRICKET/fielding-positions.pdf Diagram of fielding positions from cricinfo.com]</ref>

===Scoring===

The batsman’s aim is to score '''''runs''''' whilst protecting his wicket. Generally speaking, in order to score a run, he must first hit the ball. He and his partner must then decide whether or not they can run to each other’s end of the pitch before the fielding side have time to break either wicket with the ball. They may run as many times as they are able per hit and the ''on strike'' batsman scores one run for his team each time they do so.

If the ball reaches the boundary rope, the batsman automatically scores four runs. If it clears the rope without first touching the ground, it scores six runs. (If a fielder is in contact with the ball when they touch the fence/rope then it is counted as a four or six depending on whether the ball has previously touched the ground or would have carried over the fence/rope.)

A 'no ball' may be called by an umpire according to various infractions by a bowler. The batting team gets one run counted to its score, and the ball is rebowled. A batsman can not be caught (out) on a no ball. Bowling infractions may include overstepping the popping crease, or delivering a ball that goes outside the return crease at the batsman's end or over the batsman's head (a wild delivery).

A 'bye' is a run scored when the ball is not hit. This may occur when the ball hits the batsman's apparel (clothes or protective equipment) and is deflected off into the field of play, or when a bowler delivers a ball that the wicket keeper fails to gather up. Batsmen may either 'run' or, if the ball goes to the boundary, a 'four' may be awarded even if the batsmen have run fewer.

The notation for scoring leads to a particular term, 'dot ball', as in the scoring sheet a ball that does not get a run is noted with a dot. Accordingly, an over with a single, dot, no ball, dot, three, dot, single, would be marked 1.nb.3.1 (six 'legal' deliveries) and the score has increased by 6 runs including one for the no ball.

====Example of Match Scoring====

The scoring of matches, and especially the way results are presented, can sometimes be confusing. As an example, let us imagine that, at the end of the first day’s play, Sri Lanka have scored 286 runs and have lost 5 wickets. This would be written as '''286-5'''.

Playing Australia, the match pans out as follows:

* Sri Lanka – 1st innings: 431
* Australia – 1st innings: 390

* Sri Lanka – 2nd innings: 360

Australia now need 402 runs to win. At the end of the 4th day, they find themselves 100-3 in their 2nd innings. Thus, they require 302 more runs to win on the final day with 7 wickets in hand.

If Australia are bowled out for a 2nd innings total of 300, then they would have fallen short by 102. Sri Lanka would be said to have '''won by 101 runs''' (if Australia had scored exactly 401, the game would have been a tie).

If, however, Australia reached their target only having lost another three wickets (402-6), they would be said to have '''won by 4 wickets'''.

If at the end of the fifth day's play Australia were 350-8, they would not yet have reached their target, and Sri Lanka would not yet have taken 10 wickets. In this instance both teams would have failed to win and the game would be declared a draw. This occurrence is not uncommon.

==Other aspects of the game==
===Grounds===
Grounds in different parts of one country, let along different parts of the world, play differently: Wickets in India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh, are renowned for being 'hard'; English wickets are 'green' (have grass obvious in the playing surface); the ground in [[Perth, Western Australia]] has a daily sea breeze in the afternoon.

Then, there are oddities:
*The "Lord's" ground, the home of the Marylebone Cricket Club (established 1787) in London, has a slant of about 2.5m (8 feet) from one side of the ground to the other, so a shot made 'down the hill' typically goes further into the field than a shot made 'up the hill'.
*Grounds in the West Indies and India often have hundreds of people sitting in or hanging from trees in order to get an unobstructed view.
*"The Gabba" ground (at Woolloongabba in [[Brisbane, Queensland]]) has cantilevered spectator stands that protrude over the surrounding streets<ref>[http://www.onesteel.com/images/db_images/casestudies/sports17cbp.pdf Structural Steel Casebook, Issue 17, October 2000, pp4/6/8, OneSteel, accessed 5 January 2008</ref>.
*The cricket ground at [[Scarborough]] in [[Yorkshire]] is inside the walls of the town's medieval castle, and this leads to a number of "local" rules; for example, if a ball is caught by a spectator the batsman is given out if he is batting at the "town" end of the ground, but is awarded six runs of he is at the "sea" end.

===Day and Night===
Play is normally during the day, but an innovation since the 1970s has been the introduction of light towers at cricket grounds that allow play to continue through dusk and into the night.

===Sight Screen===
At each end of a major cricket ground is a 'sight screen', which is of a contrasting colour to the ball; white screen for a red 'day' ball; black screen for a white 'night' ball. The screen is moved so as to be behind the bowler from the perspective of the batsman. The ball thus stands out from the background and assists the batsman in making decisions about his shot.

==='Walking'===
High sportsmanship is shown when a batsman 'walks' from the field, conceding his wicket, when he knows that he has been 'out' by the rules of the game, but was not given out by the umpires. The fielding side may not even have 'appealed' to the umpire. For instance, this may occur when he feels the ball 'nick' his gloves or the bat and the ball is then caught by the wicket keeper.

Conversely, a batsman does not have to walk unless the umpire gives him 'out'. He may know that he was out by the rules of the game (for example, he felt a nick) but, after the fielding side has 'appealed' for the wicket (out), the umpire decides that it was 'not out'; and, the batsman is within his rights to 'stand his ground' based on the umpires decision.

===Winter===
Cricket grounds are generally of a size that allows them to be marked out during winter for playing football: [[soccer]], [[Rugby]], [[Rugby Union]], or [[Australian Rules]].

===Women's Cricket===
A strong international competition exists for women playing cricket. This is based on national competitions at various levels (state/county, regional and local).

===Blind Cricket===
People with vision impairment, along with fully sighted people, can play [[Blind]] Cricket. (Sighted people are fitted with special spectacles that distort their vision.)

The ball is normally a white plastic ball of similar size to a cricket ball or softball, and has inside it a bell or metal pieces that make a noise as the ball moves.

The bowler calls out to the batsman, "Are you ready?", which allows the batsman to line up for the delivery. Similarly, the batsman's reply, or a call from the wicket keeper, allows the bowler to line up.

The batsman can be got 'out' in the same ways as for sighted cricket, except that catching is not permitted.

===Duckworth-Lewis scoring===
In the event that a limited over match is affected by rain or other stops to play, a system of score amendment is used developed by statisticians Frank Duckworth and Tony Lewis. This allows the umpires to calculate a new score target to win for the second side batting for any given amount of time remaining for normal play, less an allowance for the ratio of runs scored to wickets remaining, corrected for the number of minutes remaining until sunset. If a game may be rain affected, it is in the interests of the first side batting to score at a rapid and even rate, so that a revised target is difficult for the following side to achieve.

==Famous Cricketers==
===Batsmen===
*Dr [[W.G. Grace]] (1848-1915), English - "the best-known Englishman of his time"
*Sir [[Donald Bradman]] (1908-2001), Australian, "The Don" - "the greatest batsman of all time" (test match average of 99.94 runs; top score 334; 29 100s & 13 50s; 6,996 runs in 52 matches; first class average 95.14)<ref>http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/australia/content/player/4188.html</ref>
*[[Sachin Tendulkar]] (1973-), Indian - "the greatest One-Day International cricketer of all time" (Tests: ~12,000 @ 55 av; ODI: ~16,000 @ 44 av; First Class: ~20,000 @ 59 av; List A: ~19,000 @ 45 av; still playing)<ref>http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/india/content/player/35320.html</ref> Tendulkar now holds the records for the most runs scored in Tests and One Day Internationals, as well as the records for the most individual centuries scored by batsman in both Tests and One Day Internationals.
*Sir [[Gary Sobers|Garry Sobers]] (1936-), Barbadian - "the greatest all-rounder of all time". The first player to hit six sixes in one over of first-class cricket.<ref>http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/westindies/content/player/52946.html</ref>
*Sir [[Vivian Richards|Viv Richards]] (1952-), Antigua, West Indies - "the greatest ODI batsman of all time" until Tendulkar (Tests: 8,540 runs @ 50.23 av; ODI: 6721 @ 47.00 av; First Class: 36,212 @ 49.40 av; List A: 16,995 @ 41.96 av)<ref>http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/westindies/content/player/52812.html</ref>
*Sanath Jayasuriya (1969-), Sri Lankan- "The Matara Mauler" (Batting - Tests: 6,973 runs @ 40.07 av; ODI: 12,785 runs @32.69. Bowling - Tests: 98 wickets @ 34.34; ODIs: 310 wickets @ 36.55)<ref>http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/srilanka/content/player/49209.html</ref>
*Jacques Kallis (1975-), South Africa. (Batting - Tests: ~9,700 runs @ 55.46; ODI: ~9,600 runs @ 44.69. Bowling - Tests: 240 wickets @ 31.22, ODI: 243 wickets @ 31.38). Still playing <ref>http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/45789.html</ref>

===Bowlers===
*[[Shane Warne]] (1969-), Australian - spin bowler, one of the five Wisden "cricketers of the century" (Tests: 17,995 runs for 708 wickets @ 25.41 runs/wicket; ODI: 7,541 for 293 @ 25.73 ave; First Class: 34,449 for 1,319 @ 26.11 av; List A: 11,642 for 473 @ 24.61 ave; retired in 2007)<ref>http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/australia/content/player/8166.html</ref>
*[[Muttiah Muralitharan]] (1972-), Sri Lankan - spin bowler, "the greatest Test match bowler ever" (still playing; as at September 2008 - Tests: 16,604 runs for 756 wickets @ 21.96 runs/wicket; ODI: 11,030 for 479 @ 23.02 av; First Class: 25,421 for 1,330 @ 19.11 ave; List A: 13,471 for 602 @ 22.37 av)<ref>http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/srilanka/content/player/49636.html</ref>
*[[Glenn McGrath]] (1970-), Australian - quick bowler, "holds the world record for the highest number of Test wickets by a fast bowler" (Retired from test cricket in 2007; and all cricket in 2008) Tests: 12,186 runs for 563 wickets @ 21.64 runs/wicket; ODI: 8,391 for 381 @ 22.02 ave; First Class: 17,414 for 835 @ 20.85 ave; List A: 9,943 for 458 @ 21.70 ave)<ref>http://content-rsa.cricinfo.com/australia/content/player/6565.html</ref>

===Dream Team===
According to [[Richie Benaud]], former Captain of the Australian Cricket Team and since then known internationally as "The Voice of Cricket" (commentator, both ball-by-ball and expert opinion):

''The Opening Batsmen:''

1. Sir John Berry 'Jack' Hobbs (1882-1963) (England) - The Greatest Opener, and the first English cricket player to be [[knight|knighted]] (1953)

2. [[Sunil Gavaskar]] (India) - The Most Difficult Batsman to Dismiss, and a Fine Opener

''Middle Order Batsmen:''

3. Sir Don Bradman (Australia) - The Best Batsman to Walk the Earth, and the first cricket player to be knighted (1949)

4. Sir Viv Richards (West Indies) - The Master Blaster

5. Sachin Tendulkar (India) - The Greatest ODI Batsman

''All-rounders:''

6. Sir Gary Sobers (West Indies) - The Greatest Allrounder Ever

7. [[Imran Khan]] Naizi (Pakistan) - the finest Cricketer/Captain to emerge from Pakistan; picked ahead of [[Kapil Dev]], [[Ian Botham]] & [[Richard Hadlee]]

''Wicket Keeper:''

8. [[Adam Gilchrist]] (Australia) - The Finest Wicketkeeper-batsman the world has seen

''Spinner:''

9. Shane Warne (Australia) - The Finest Leg spin Bowler of All time

''Fast Bowlers:''

10. [[Dennis Lillee]] (Australia) - A Great Australian Fast Bowler

11. [[Sydney Barnes]] (England) - A Fast-bowling Legend

==External links==
* [http://www.icc-cricket.com International Cricket Council]
* [http://www.lords.org The Lord's ground and the Marylebone Cricket Club]
* [http://www.cricket.com.au 'Cricket Australia']
* [http://stats.rleague.com/tc/players/player_index.html Player statistics (index)] - by country
* [http://www.championships.vbca.org.au/ Vision Australia 29th National 'Blind Cricket' Championships, 29 December 2007 - 11 January 2008]

==References==
<references/>

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Tale of the Heike

2009-12-29T14:57:32Z

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The Tale of the Heike is a Japanese story relating the events of the war between the Minamoto and Taira clans at the end of the 11th century, also known as the Genji War.

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CharlieT:

{{welcome|sig=[[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 17:34, 10 December 2009 (EST)}}
Ta muchly! [[User:CharlieT|CharlieT]] 17:53, 10 December 2009 (EST)

==Revision of Timothy==
Hello,
I am currently translating the First Epistle to Timothy, and you appear to have reverted my edits. Is there a problem?
Regards,
--[[User:TSpencer|TSpencer]] 09:25, 16 December 2009 (EST)
:Afraid so. The verses you have submitted are extremely similar to verses from other existing bibles - even having identical sentence fragments - and in all honesty this utterly defeats the point of having your own Bible. I might as well have been reading the NIV. [[User:CharlieT|CharlieT]] 09:02, 17 December 2009 (EST)

First Epistle to Timothy (Translated)

2009-12-16T13:49:37Z

CharlieT: Undo revision 733286 by TSpencer (Talk) Reverting copied text

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==Chapter 1==

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|Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
|Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ our hope, by the commandment of God our Saviour.
|I am trying to get rid of the repetition here
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|2
|Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
|To Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
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|3
|As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
|I told you to stay in Ephesus and instruct people when I went in Macedonia, and I urge you to continue doing so. They should not teach a different doctrine,
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|4
|Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
|nor focus on myths and endless genealogies, as these engender pointless speculation rather than the divine growth which is in Faith.
|the 'pointless speculations on myths' have echoes in current issues: global warming, evolution,...
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|5
|Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
|The purpose of the commandment is charity from a pure heart, a good conscience, and true Faith.
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|From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
|Some have strayed from it and started blabbering meaninglessly.
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|Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
|They want to be teachers of the Law, but they have no understanding of what they say or the point they try to make.
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|But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
|We know the Law is good when used lawfully,
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|Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
|and that it does not concern the righteous man: it is made against the lawless and insubordinate, against the atheists and the sinners, against the evil and profane, against the patricides and the matricides, against killers,
|ungodly translates nicely into 'atheist', but it may be too harsh. Unholy is a mistranslation better expressed by 'evil'
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|For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
|against pimps, against those who engage in homosexual relations, against kidnappers and slave-traders, against liars, against perjurers, and against everything that is contrary to the sound doctrine
|'pimp' may be too much but fits within contemporary society
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|According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
|described by the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was entrusted to me.
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|And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
|I give thanks to Jesus Christ our Lord, who gave me strength by recognizing my faith and appointing me to His service.
|endunamOsanti translates as 'invigorating', literally 'giving strength'
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|Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
|I was before a blasphemer, a persecutor, and arrogant, but I was given Mercy because I did it out of ignorance and unbelief,
|'hubris' is arrogance.
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|And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
|and the Grace of our Lord overwhelmed me with the faith and love of Jesus Christ.
|'huperepleonasen' is 'overwhelming'
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|15
|This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
|It is an undeniable truth worthy of universal acceptation that Jesus Christ came into the universe to save sinners- and I am the worst of them.
|'kosmos' refers not only to the Earth, but to the whole universe.
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|Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
|It is for this very reason that I received Mercy, as an example of the infinite patience of Jesus-Christ for those who will come to believe in him.
|'makrothumian' is patience
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|Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
|To the King eternal, incorruptible, invisible, wise, the unique God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
|'aphthartO' is incorruptible, which has connotation lacking in 'immortal'. 'the only wise God' does not reflect the Greek construction and wrongfully gives the impression that there may be more than one God.
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|This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest wage a good warfare;
|This is your duty, son Timothy, as foretold in the prophecies concerning you, that you have to follow to wage an ideal war.
|the 'war' is conspicuously absent from the NKJV
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|Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
|You have to keep your faith and a good conscience. Some lost faith and that ended in disaster,
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|Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
|for example Hymaneaus and Alexander, that I gave up to Satan as a punishment for their blasphemy.
|'paideuthOsin' is 'to be disciplined' and is in essence a punishment.
|}

==Chapter 2==

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|I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
|I urge then that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanksgivings be made for all men.
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|For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
|This includes kings and everyone in superior positions, so that we may live peacefully in godliness and honesty.
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|For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
|Our God and Saviour is pleased by this,
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|Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
|who wants all men to be saved and realize the truth.
|The Greek text does not imply that everybody will be saved, only that God wishes so.
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|For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
|For there is only one God, and only one mediator between God and men, Jesus Christ,
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|Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
|who gave himself as a ransom for all, as the testimony will be given in its proper time.
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|Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
|For this reason I was appointed a preacher and an apostle, a teacher of the true faith for the Gentiles. I speak the truth in Christ.
|There is no need to add 'I lie not'.
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|I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
|I want men to lift holy hands in prayer everywhere, without suffering from censorship.
|The original text shows that the people praying should be free from indignation (whether feigned or sincere) and debate, which are covered both by 'censorship'.
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|In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
|I also want women to wear modest clothes, with decency and propriety. They should not dress themselves with braided hair, jewelery or expensive outfits,
|gold and pearls were a substitute for 'jewelery'
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|10
|But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
|but with their good works, which become women professing godliness.
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|Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
|A woman should learn in silence and in full submission.
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|But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
|I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man: she must be silent.
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|13
|For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
|This is because Adam was created first, and then Eve.
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|14
|And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
|Adam was not deceived, but the woman was. She is thus responsible for the transgression.
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|15
|Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
|A woman may nevertheless be saved through childbearing, provided she keeps her faith, charity, holiness, together with propriety.
|}

==Chapter 3==

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|This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
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|A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
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|Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
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|One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
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|(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
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|Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
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|Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
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|Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
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|Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
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|And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
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|Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
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|Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
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|For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
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|These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
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|But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
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|And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
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==Chapter 4==

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|1
|Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
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|Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
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|3
|Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
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|For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
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|For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
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|If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
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|But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
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|For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
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|This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
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|For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
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|These things command and teach.
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|Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
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|Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
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|Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
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|Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
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|Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
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==Chapter 5==

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|1
|Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;
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|2
|The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.
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|3
|Honour widows that are widows indeed.
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|4
|But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.
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|5
|Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
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|But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
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|7
|And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
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|8
|But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
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|9
|Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man,
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|10
|Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
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|11
|But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
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|Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
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|13
|And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
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|14
|I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
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|15
|For some are already turned aside after Satan.
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|16
|If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
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|17
|Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
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|18
|For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
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|19
|Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
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|20
|Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
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|21
|I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
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|Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
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|23
|Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
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|24
|Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
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|Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.
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==Chapter 6==

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!Proposed Conservative Translation
!Analysis
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|1
|Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
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|2
|And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
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|3
|If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
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|4
|He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
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|5
|Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
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|6
|But godliness with contentment is great gain.
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|7
|For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
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|8
|And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
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|9
|But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
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|10
|For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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|11
|But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
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|12
|Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
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|13
|I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
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|14
|That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
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|15
|Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
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|Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
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|17
|Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
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|18
|That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
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|19
|Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
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|20
|O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
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|21
|Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
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[[Category:Conservative Bible]]

First Epistle to Timothy (Translated)

2009-12-16T13:49:05Z

CharlieT: Undo revision 733287 by TSpencer (Talk) Reverting copied text

{{ConservativeBible}}
==Chapter 1==

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!Verse
!King James Version
!Proposed Conservative Translation
!Analysis
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|1
|Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
|Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ our hope, by the commandment of God our Saviour.
|I am trying to get rid of the repetition here
|-
|2
|Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
|To Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
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|3
|As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
|I told you to stay in Ephesus and instruct people when I went in Macedonia, and I urge you to continue doing so. They should not teach a different doctrine,
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|4
|Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
|nor focus on myths and endless genealogies, as these engender pointless speculation rather than the divine growth which is in Faith.
|the 'pointless speculations on myths' have echoes in current issues: global warming, evolution,...
|-
|5
|Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
|The purpose of the commandment is charity from a pure heart, a good conscience, and true Faith.
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|6
|From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
|Some have strayed from it and started blabbering meaninglessly.
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|7
|Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
|They want to be teachers of the Law, but they have no understanding of what they say or the point they try to make.
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|8
|But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
|We know the Law is good when used lawfully,
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|9
|Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
|and that it does not concern the righteous man: it is made against the lawless and insubordinate, against the atheists and the sinners, against the evil and profane, against the patricides and the matricides, against killers,
|ungodly translates nicely into 'atheist', but it may be too harsh. Unholy is a mistranslation better expressed by 'evil'
|-
|10
|For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
|against pimps, against those who engage in homosexual relations, against kidnappers and slave-traders, against liars, against perjurers, and against everything that is contrary to the sound doctrine
|'pimp' may be too much but fits within contemporary society
|-
|11
|According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
|described by the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was entrusted to me.
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|-
|12
|And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
|I give thanks to Jesus Christ our Lord, who gave me strength by recognizing my faith and appointing me to His service.
|endunamOsanti translates as 'invigorating', literally 'giving strength'
|-
|13
|Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
|I was before a blasphemer, a persecutor, and arrogant, but I was given Mercy because I did it out of ignorance and unbelief,
|'hubris' is arrogance.
|-
|14
|And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
|and the Grace of our Lord overwhelmed me with the faith and love of Jesus Christ.
|'huperepleonasen' is 'overwhelming'
|-
|15
|This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
|It is an undeniable truth worthy of universal acceptation that Jesus Christ came into the universe to save sinners- and I am the worst of them.
|'kosmos' refers not only to the Earth, but to the whole universe.
|-
|16
|Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
|It is for this very reason that I received Mercy, as an example of the infinite patience of Jesus-Christ for those who will come to believe in him.
|'makrothumian' is patience
|-
|17
|Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
|To the King eternal, incorruptible, invisible, wise, the unique God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
|'aphthartO' is incorruptible, which has connotation lacking in 'immortal'. 'the only wise God' does not reflect the Greek construction and wrongfully gives the impression that there may be more than one God.
|-
|18
|This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest wage a good warfare;
|This is your duty, son Timothy, as foretold in the prophecies concerning you, that you have to follow to wage an ideal war.
|the 'war' is conspicuously absent from the NKJV
|-
|19
|Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
|You have to keep your faith and a good conscience. Some lost faith and that ended in disaster,
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|20
|Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
|for example Hymaneaus and Alexander, that I gave up to Satan as a punishment for their blasphemy.
|'paideuthOsin' is 'to be disciplined' and is in essence a punishment.
|}

==Chapter 2==

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!King James Version
!Proposed Conservative Translation
!Analysis
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|1
|I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
|I urge then that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanksgivings be made for all men.
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|2
|For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
|This includes kings and everyone in superior positions, so that we may live peacefully in godliness and honesty.
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|3
|For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
|Our God and Saviour is pleased by this,
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|4
|Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
|who wants all men to be saved and realize the truth.
|The Greek text does not imply that everybody will be saved, only that God wishes so.
|-
|5
|For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
|For there is only one God, and only one mediator between God and men, Jesus Christ,
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|6
|Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
|who gave himself as a ransom for all, as the testimony will be given in its proper time.
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|7
|Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
|For this reason I was appointed a preacher and an apostle, a teacher of the true faith for the Gentiles. I speak the truth in Christ.
|There is no need to add 'I lie not'.
|-
|8
|I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
|I want men to lift holy hands in prayer everywhere, without suffering from censorship.
|The original text shows that the people praying should be free from indignation (whether feigned or sincere) and debate, which are covered both by 'censorship'.
|-
|9
|In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
|I also want women to wear modest clothes, with decency and propriety. They should not dress themselves with braided hair, jewelery or expensive outfits,
|gold and pearls were a substitute for 'jewelery'
|-
|10
|But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
|but with their good works, which become women professing godliness.
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|11
|Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
|A woman should learn in silence and in full submission.
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|12
|But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
|I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man: she must be silent.
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|13
|For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
|This is because Adam was created first, and then Eve.
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|14
|And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
|Adam was not deceived, but the woman was. She is thus responsible for the transgression.
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|15
|Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
|A woman may nevertheless be saved through childbearing, provided she keeps her faith, charity, holiness, together with propriety.
|}

==Chapter 3==

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!King James Version
!Proposed Conservative Translation
!Analysis
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|1
|This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
|It is true that if a man desires to be a supervisor, he desires a noble task.
|episkopEs traditionaly refers to 'bishop', but really applies to any supervising work. Maybe 'administrator' could be used.
|-
|2
|A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
|As such, a supervisor must be blameless, married, sober, self-controlled, hospitable, patient, and a good teacher,
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|3
|Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
|and certainly not someone who drinks wine, or loves money, or seeks fights, or covets.
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|4
|One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
|He has to manage properly his own household, and have respectful and obeying children,
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|5
|(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
|as a man unable to rule his own house would not know how to take care of the chuch of God.
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|6
|Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
|
|He should not be a novice, lest he become conceited and be condemned as Satan was.
|-
|7
|Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
|He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, lest he should fall into reproach and Satan's trap.
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|8
|Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
|Servants must likewise be grave, consistent, not addicted to wine, not pursuing dishonest gain.
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|-
|9
|Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
|They must keep the deep truths of the faith with a pure conscience.
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|10
|And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
|They must be tested and found blameless before being authorized to serve.
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|11
|Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
|In the same way, their wives should be grave, sober, and trustworthy, and not evil.
|the term 'diabolos' is used, usually referring to satan
|-
|12
|Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
|The servants can marry a woman, and should ideally rule over their children and their house.
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|13
|For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
|Those who have served well should earn an improvement in standing, and gain much assurance in their faith in Jesus Christ.
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|14
|These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
|I hope to come see you soon, but I write to you
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|15
|But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
|so that, should I be delayed, you know how one ought to behave in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of all truth.
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|16
|And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
|No-one denies the mystery of godliness is great: God appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, witnessed by messengers, preached to all nations, was believed on in the whole universe, and glorified.
|
|}

==Chapter 4==

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Verse
!King James Version
!Proposed Conservative Translation
!Analysis
|-
|1
|Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
|
|
|-
|2
|Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
|
|
|-
|3
|Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
|
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|-
|4
|For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
|
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|-
|5
|For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
|
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|-
|6
|If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
|
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|-
|7
|But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
|
|
|-
|8
|For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
|
|
|-
|9
|This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
|
|
|-
|10
|For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
|
|
|-
|11
|These things command and teach.
|
|
|-
|12
|Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
|
|
|-
|13
|Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
|
|
|-
|14
|Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
|
|
|-
|15
|Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
|
|
|-
|16
|Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
|
|
|}

==Chapter 5==

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Verse
!King James Version
!Proposed Conservative Translation
!Analysis
|-
|1
|Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;
|
|
|-
|2
|The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.
|
|
|-
|3
|Honour widows that are widows indeed.
|
|
|-
|4
|But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.
|
|
|-
|5
|Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
|
|
|-
|6
|But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
|
|
|-
|7
|And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
|
|
|-
|8
|But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
|
|
|-
|9
|Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man,
|
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|-
|10
|Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
|
|
|-
|11
|But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
|
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|-
|12
|Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
|
|
|-
|13
|And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
|
|
|-
|14
|I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
|
|
|-
|15
|For some are already turned aside after Satan.
|
|
|-
|16
|If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
|
|
|-
|17
|Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
|
|
|-
|18
|For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
|
|
|-
|19
|Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
|
|
|-
|20
|Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
|
|
|-
|21
|I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
|
|
|-
|22
|Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
|
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|23
|Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
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|24
|Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
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|Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.
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==Chapter 6==

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|Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
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|2
|And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
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|3
|If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
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|4
|He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
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|5
|Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
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|6
|But godliness with contentment is great gain.
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|For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
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|8
|And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
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|9
|But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
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|10
|For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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|11
|But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
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|12
|Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
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|13
|I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
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|14
|That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
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|15
|Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
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|Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
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|17
|Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
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|That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
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|Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
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|20
|O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
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|Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
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[[Category:Conservative Bible]]

First Epistle to Timothy (Translated)

2009-12-16T13:48:23Z

CharlieT: Undo revision 733289 by TSpencer (Talk) Preparing for reversion of copied text

{{ConservativeBible}}
==Chapter 1==

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!Analysis
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|1
|Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
|Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ our hope, by the commandment of God our Saviour.
|I am trying to get rid of the repetition here
|-
|2
|Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
|To Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
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|3
|As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
|I told you to stay in Ephesus and instruct people when I went in Macedonia, and I urge you to continue doing so. They should not teach a different doctrine,
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|4
|Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
|nor focus on myths and endless genealogies, as these engender pointless speculation rather than the divine growth which is in Faith.
|the 'pointless speculations on myths' have echoes in current issues: global warming, evolution,...
|-
|5
|Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
|The purpose of the commandment is charity from a pure heart, a good conscience, and true Faith.
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|6
|From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
|Some have strayed from it and started blabbering meaninglessly.
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|-
|7
|Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
|They want to be teachers of the Law, but they have no understanding of what they say or the point they try to make.
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|8
|But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
|We know the Law is good when used lawfully,
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|9
|Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
|and that it does not concern the righteous man: it is made against the lawless and insubordinate, against the atheists and the sinners, against the evil and profane, against the patricides and the matricides, against killers,
|ungodly translates nicely into 'atheist', but it may be too harsh. Unholy is a mistranslation better expressed by 'evil'
|-
|10
|For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
|against pimps, against those who engage in homosexual relations, against kidnappers and slave-traders, against liars, against perjurers, and against everything that is contrary to the sound doctrine
|'pimp' may be too much but fits within contemporary society
|-
|11
|According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
|described by the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was entrusted to me.
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|-
|12
|And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
|I give thanks to Jesus Christ our Lord, who gave me strength by recognizing my faith and appointing me to His service.
|endunamOsanti translates as 'invigorating', literally 'giving strength'
|-
|13
|Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
|I was before a blasphemer, a persecutor, and arrogant, but I was given Mercy because I did it out of ignorance and unbelief,
|'hubris' is arrogance.
|-
|14
|And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
|and the Grace of our Lord overwhelmed me with the faith and love of Jesus Christ.
|'huperepleonasen' is 'overwhelming'
|-
|15
|This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
|It is an undeniable truth worthy of universal acceptation that Jesus Christ came into the universe to save sinners- and I am the worst of them.
|'kosmos' refers not only to the Earth, but to the whole universe.
|-
|16
|Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
|It is for this very reason that I received Mercy, as an example of the infinite patience of Jesus-Christ for those who will come to believe in him.
|'makrothumian' is patience
|-
|17
|Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
|To the King eternal, incorruptible, invisible, wise, the unique God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
|'aphthartO' is incorruptible, which has connotation lacking in 'immortal'. 'the only wise God' does not reflect the Greek construction and wrongfully gives the impression that there may be more than one God.
|-
|18
|This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest wage a good warfare;
|This is your duty, son Timothy, as foretold in the prophecies concerning you, that you have to follow to wage an ideal war.
|the 'war' is conspicuously absent from the NKJV
|-
|19
|Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
|You have to keep your faith and a good conscience. Some lost faith and that ended in disaster,
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|-
|20
|Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
|for example Hymaneaus and Alexander, that I gave up to Satan as a punishment for their blasphemy.
|'paideuthOsin' is 'to be disciplined' and is in essence a punishment.
|}

==Chapter 2==

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!Proposed Conservative Translation
!Analysis
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|1
|I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
|I urge then that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanksgivings be made for all men.
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|2
|For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
|This includes kings and everyone in superior positions, so that we may live peacefully in godliness and honesty.
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|3
|For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
|Our God and Saviour is pleased by this,
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|4
|Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
|who wants all men to be saved and realize the truth.
|The Greek text does not imply that everybody will be saved, only that God wishes so.
|-
|5
|For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
|For there is only one God, and only one mediator between God and men, Jesus Christ,
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|6
|Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
|who gave himself as a ransom for all, as the testimony will be given in its proper time.
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|7
|Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
|For this reason I was appointed a preacher and an apostle, a teacher of the true faith for the Gentiles. I speak the truth in Christ.
|There is no need to add 'I lie not'.
|-
|8
|I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
|I want men to lift holy hands in prayer everywhere, without suffering from censorship.
|The original text shows that the people praying should be free from indignation (whether feigned or sincere) and debate, which are covered both by 'censorship'.
|-
|9
|In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
|I also want women to wear modest clothes, with decency and propriety. They should not dress themselves with braided hair, jewelery or expensive outfits,
|gold and pearls were a substitute for 'jewelery'
|-
|10
|But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
|but with their good works, which become women professing godliness.
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|11
|Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
|A woman should learn in silence and in full submission.
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|12
|But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
|I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man: she must be silent.
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|13
|For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
|This is because Adam was created first, and then Eve.
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|14
|And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
|Adam was not deceived, but the woman was. She is thus responsible for the transgression.
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|15
|Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
|A woman may nevertheless be saved through childbearing, provided she keeps her faith, charity, holiness, together with propriety.
|}

==Chapter 3==

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|1
|This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
|It is true that if a man desires to be a supervisor, he desires a noble task.
|episkopEs traditionaly refers to 'bishop', but really applies to any supervising work. Maybe 'administrator' could be used.
|-
|2
|A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
|As such, a supervisor must be blameless, married, sober, self-controlled, hospitable, patient, and a good teacher,
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|3
|Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
|and certainly not someone who drinks wine, or loves money, or seeks fights, or covets.
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|4
|One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
|He has to manage properly his own household, and have respectful and obeying children,
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|5
|(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
|as a man unable to rule his own house would not know how to take care of the chuch of God.
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|6
|Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
|
|He should not be a novice, lest he become conceited and be condemned as Satan was.
|-
|7
|Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
|He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, lest he should fall into reproach and Satan's trap.
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|8
|Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
|Servants must likewise be grave, consistent, not addicted to wine, not pursuing dishonest gain.
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|9
|Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
|They must keep the deep truths of the faith with a pure conscience.
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|10
|And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
|They must be tested and found blameless before being authorized to serve.
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|11
|Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
|In the same way, their wives should be grave, sober, and trustworthy, and not evil.
|the term 'diabolos' is used, usually referring to satan
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|12
|Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
|The servants can marry a woman, and should ideally rule over their children and their house.
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|13
|For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
|Those who have served well should earn an improvement in standing, and gain much assurance in their faith in Jesus Christ.
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|14
|These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
|I hope to come see you soon, but I write to you
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|15
|But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
|so that, should I be delayed, you know how one ought to behave in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of all truth.
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|16
|And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
|No-one denies the mystery of godliness is great: God appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, witnessed by messengers, preached to all nations, was believed on in the whole universe, and glorified.
|
|}

==Chapter 4==

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!King James Version
!Proposed Conservative Translation
!Analysis
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|1
|Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
|The Spirit explicitly states that, in times to come, some will lose faith and pay attention to deceiving spirits and the doctrines of demons.
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|2
|Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
|They will tell lies with hypocrisy, and have closed minds.
|the original text is exactly in the sense of a closed mind.
|-
|3
|Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
|They will forbid to marry and eat certain food, that God created to be received with thanksgivings by believers who know the truth.
|the abstinence from food reminds one of certain muslim beliefs
|-
|4
|For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
|Everything God created is good, and nothing should be refused as long as it is received with thanksgiving,
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|-
|5
|For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
|for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
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|6
|If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
|If you inform the brothers of these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up by the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you follow.
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|-
|7
|But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
|Steer clear of atheist and superstitious myths and train yourself in godliness.
|Once again 'godlessness', that is nicely translated in 'atheist'
|-
|8
|For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
|Indeed, physical training has a few beneficial aspects, but godliness benefits all, holding promise for both this life and the one to come.
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|-
|9
|This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
|This is an undeniable truth
|
|-
|10
|For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
|for which we labor and suffer reproach, because we rely on the living God, Saviour of all believing men.
|The 'specially those that believe' feels akward, and it is explicitly said that only the believers will be saved.
|-
|11
|These things command and teach.
|Command and teach this.
|
|-
|12
|Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
|Do not let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example to the believers in speech, in behavior, in charity, in spirit, in faith, and in purity.
|
|-
|13
|Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
|Untill I come, devote yourself to the reading of the Scripture, to public preaching and teaching.
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|14
|Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
|Do not neglect the grace that was given to you according to the prophecy, when the elders laid their hands on you.
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|15
|Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
|Meditate upon these matters and give yourself wholly to them, and everyone will see your progress.
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|16
|Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
|Pay attention to your life and the doctrine, continue in them, and you will save both yourself and those who listen to you.
|
|}

==Chapter 5==

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!Verse
!King James Version
!Proposed Conservative Translation
!Analysis
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|1
|Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;
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|2
|The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.
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|3
|Honour widows that are widows indeed.
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|4
|But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.
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|5
|Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
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|6
|But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
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|7
|And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
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|8
|But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
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|9
|Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man,
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|10
|Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
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|11
|But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
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|12
|Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
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|13
|And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
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|14
|I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
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|15
|For some are already turned aside after Satan.
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|16
|If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
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|17
|Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
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|18
|For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
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|19
|Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
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|20
|Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
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|21
|I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
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|22
|Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
|
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|-
|23
|Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
|
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|-
|24
|Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
|
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|-
|25
|Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.
|
|
|}

==Chapter 6==

{| class="wikitable"
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!Verse
!King James Version
!Proposed Conservative Translation
!Analysis
|-
|1
|Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
|
|
|-
|2
|And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
|
|
|-
|3
|If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
|
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|-
|4
|He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
|
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|-
|5
|Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
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|6
|But godliness with contentment is great gain.
|
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|-
|7
|For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
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|8
|And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
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|9
|But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
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|-
|10
|For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
|
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|-
|11
|But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
|
|
|-
|12
|Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
|
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|-
|13
|I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
|
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|-
|14
|That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
|
|
|-
|15
|Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
|
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|-
|16
|Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
|
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|-
|17
|Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
|
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|-
|18
|That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
|
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|-
|19
|Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
|
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|-
|20
|O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
|
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|-
|21
|Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
|
|
|}

[[Category:Conservative Bible]]

First Epistle to Timothy (Translated)

2009-12-16T13:47:55Z

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==Chapter 1==

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|Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
|Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ our hope, by the commandment of God our Saviour.
|I am trying to get rid of the repetition here
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|Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
|To Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
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|As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
|I told you to stay in Ephesus and instruct people when I went in Macedonia, and I urge you to continue doing so. They should not teach a different doctrine,
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|Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
|nor focus on myths and endless genealogies, as these engender pointless speculation rather than the divine growth which is in Faith.
|the 'pointless speculations on myths' have echoes in current issues: global warming, evolution,...
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|Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
|The purpose of the commandment is charity from a pure heart, a good conscience, and true Faith.
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|From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
|Some have strayed from it and started blabbering meaninglessly.
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|Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
|They want to be teachers of the Law, but they have no understanding of what they say or the point they try to make.
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|But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
|We know the Law is good when used lawfully,
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|Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
|and that it does not concern the righteous man: it is made against the lawless and insubordinate, against the atheists and the sinners, against the evil and profane, against the patricides and the matricides, against killers,
|ungodly translates nicely into 'atheist', but it may be too harsh. Unholy is a mistranslation better expressed by 'evil'
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|For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
|against pimps, against those who engage in homosexual relations, against kidnappers and slave-traders, against liars, against perjurers, and against everything that is contrary to the sound doctrine
|'pimp' may be too much but fits within contemporary society
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|According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
|described by the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was entrusted to me.
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|And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
|I give thanks to Jesus Christ our Lord, who gave me strength by recognizing my faith and appointing me to His service.
|endunamOsanti translates as 'invigorating', literally 'giving strength'
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|Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
|I was before a blasphemer, a persecutor, and arrogant, but I was given Mercy because I did it out of ignorance and unbelief,
|'hubris' is arrogance.
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|And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
|and the Grace of our Lord overwhelmed me with the faith and love of Jesus Christ.
|'huperepleonasen' is 'overwhelming'
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|This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
|It is an undeniable truth worthy of universal acceptation that Jesus Christ came into the universe to save sinners- and I am the worst of them.
|'kosmos' refers not only to the Earth, but to the whole universe.
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|Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
|It is for this very reason that I received Mercy, as an example of the infinite patience of Jesus-Christ for those who will come to believe in him.
|'makrothumian' is patience
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|Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
|To the King eternal, incorruptible, invisible, wise, the unique God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
|'aphthartO' is incorruptible, which has connotation lacking in 'immortal'. 'the only wise God' does not reflect the Greek construction and wrongfully gives the impression that there may be more than one God.
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|This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest wage a good warfare;
|This is your duty, son Timothy, as foretold in the prophecies concerning you, that you have to follow to wage an ideal war.
|the 'war' is conspicuously absent from the NKJV
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|Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
|You have to keep your faith and a good conscience. Some lost faith and that ended in disaster,
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|Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
|for example Hymaneaus and Alexander, that I gave up to Satan as a punishment for their blasphemy.
|'paideuthOsin' is 'to be disciplined' and is in essence a punishment.
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==Chapter 2==

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|I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
|I urge then that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanksgivings be made for all men.
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|For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
|This includes kings and everyone in superior positions, so that we may live peacefully in godliness and honesty.
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|For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
|Our God and Saviour is pleased by this,
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|Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
|who wants all men to be saved and realize the truth.
|The Greek text does not imply that everybody will be saved, only that God wishes so.
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|For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
|For there is only one God, and only one mediator between God and men, Jesus Christ,
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|Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
|who gave himself as a ransom for all, as the testimony will be given in its proper time.
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|Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
|For this reason I was appointed a preacher and an apostle, a teacher of the true faith for the Gentiles. I speak the truth in Christ.
|There is no need to add 'I lie not'.
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|I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
|I want men to lift holy hands in prayer everywhere, without suffering from censorship.
|The original text shows that the people praying should be free from indignation (whether feigned or sincere) and debate, which are covered both by 'censorship'.
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|In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
|I also want women to wear modest clothes, with decency and propriety. They should not dress themselves with braided hair, jewelery or expensive outfits,
|gold and pearls were a substitute for 'jewelery'
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|But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
|but with their good works, which become women professing godliness.
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|Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
|A woman should learn in silence and in full submission.
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|But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
|I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man: she must be silent.
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|For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
|This is because Adam was created first, and then Eve.
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|And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
|Adam was not deceived, but the woman was. She is thus responsible for the transgression.
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|Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
|A woman may nevertheless be saved through childbearing, provided she keeps her faith, charity, holiness, together with propriety.
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==Chapter 3==

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|This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
|It is true that if a man desires to be a supervisor, he desires a noble task.
|episkopEs traditionaly refers to 'bishop', but really applies to any supervising work. Maybe 'administrator' could be used.
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|A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
|As such, a supervisor must be blameless, married, sober, self-controlled, hospitable, patient, and a good teacher,
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|Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
|and certainly not someone who drinks wine, or loves money, or seeks fights, or covets.
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|One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
|He has to manage properly his own household, and have respectful and obeying children,
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|(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
|as a man unable to rule his own house would not know how to take care of the chuch of God.
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|Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
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|He should not be a novice, lest he become conceited and be condemned as Satan was.
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|Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
|He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, lest he should fall into reproach and Satan's trap.
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|Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
|Servants must likewise be grave, consistent, not addicted to wine, not pursuing dishonest gain.
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|Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
|They must keep the deep truths of the faith with a pure conscience.
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|And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
|They must be tested and found blameless before being authorized to serve.
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|Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
|In the same way, their wives should be grave, sober, and trustworthy, and not evil.
|the term 'diabolos' is used, usually referring to satan
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|Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
|The servants can marry a woman, and should ideally rule over their children and their house.
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|For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
|Those who have served well should earn an improvement in standing, and gain much assurance in their faith in Jesus Christ.
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|These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
|I hope to come see you soon, but I write to you
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|But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
|so that, should I be delayed, you know how one ought to behave in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of all truth.
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|And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
|No-one denies the mystery of godliness is great: God appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, witnessed by messengers, preached to all nations, was believed on in the whole universe, and glorified.
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==Chapter 4==

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|Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
|The Spirit explicitly states that, in times to come, some will lose faith and pay attention to deceiving spirits and the doctrines of demons.
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|Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
|They will tell lies with hypocrisy, and have closed minds.
|the original text is exactly in the sense of a closed mind.
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|Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
|They will forbid to marry and eat certain food, that God created to be received with thanksgivings by believers who know the truth.
|the abstinence from food reminds one of certain muslim beliefs
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|For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
|Everything God created is good, and nothing should be refused as long as it is received with thanksgiving,
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|For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
|for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
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|If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
|If you inform the brothers of these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up by the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you follow.
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|But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
|Steer clear of atheist and superstitious myths and train yourself in godliness.
|Once again 'godlessness', that is nicely translated in 'atheist'
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|For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
|Indeed, physical training has a few beneficial aspects, but godliness benefits all, holding promise for both this life and the one to come.
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|This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
|This is an undeniable truth
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|For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
|for which we labor and suffer reproach, because we rely on the living God, Saviour of all believing men.
|The 'specially those that believe' feels awkward, and it is explicitly said that only the believers will be saved.
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|These things command and teach.
|Command and teach this.
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|Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
|Do not let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example to the believers in speech, in behavior, in charity, in spirit, in faith, and in purity.
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|Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
|Until I come, devote yourself to the reading of the Scripture, to public preaching and teaching.
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|Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
|Do not neglect the grace that was given to you according to the prophecy, when the elders laid their hands on you.
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|Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all.
|Meditate upon these matters and give yourself wholly to them, and everyone will see your progress.
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|Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
|Pay attention to your life and the doctrine, continue in them, and you will save both yourself and those who listen to you.
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==Chapter 5==

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|Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;
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|The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.
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|Honour widows that are widows indeed.
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|But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.
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|Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
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|But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
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|And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
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|But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
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|Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man,
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|Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
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|But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
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|Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
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|And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
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|I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
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|For some are already turned aside after Satan.
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|If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
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|Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
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|For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
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|Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
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|Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
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|I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
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|Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
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|Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
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|Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
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|Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.
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==Chapter 6==

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|Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
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|And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
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|If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
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|He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
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|Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
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|But godliness with contentment is great gain.
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|For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
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|And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
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|But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
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|For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
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|But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
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|Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
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|I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
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|That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
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|Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
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|Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
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|Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
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|That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
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|Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
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|O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
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|Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
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== Cat Cora ==
It's correct now because you changed it from her doing badly because she is gay to her marrying her partner. Plus, I don't think this person warrants inclusion. Trust me, Alphak is a vandal. [[User:Ameda|ameda]] 23:08, 15 November 2009 (EST)
:Agreed; he probably is. But, I prefer keeping real information [[ad hominem|even if vandals add it]]. Notability is another matter, though - I know Wikipedia's policy, but does Conservapedia have one? It doesn't seem to be in the Commandments or Guidelines.--[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 23:15, 15 November 2009 (EST)
::Understand that I reverted the first edit which is exactly the type of vandalism we get here. While I am not the most knowledgeable on this site yet on the yeas or neas I have seen celebrity articles deleted, even A-listers. [[User:Ameda|ameda]] 23:33, 15 November 2009 (EST)
:::Great question; I think we need to discuss notability. I just [[User_talk:Aschlafly#Notability_policy.3F|asked Andy]].

*Our policy is to not identify a person as a Homosexual unless that is their primary notriety. In this case, Cat Cora is notable for being a celebrity chef, not a Gay activist. --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 20:09, 29 November 2009 (EST)

::Sure; I'm fine with that. I really don't have the least idea who she is, but I just dove in when [[User:Ameda]] and a probable vandal were re-re-reverting each other to point out that Cat Cora exists. I don't care about the article in the least. --[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 20:09, 29 November 2009 (EST)

:::Yes, just as I figured. It was the vandal who added the over-the-top portion. No worries, just wanted everyone to be clear about that, is all. Glad you have stuck around! --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 20:14, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Great case description ==

Great case description (Bailey)!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:43, 16 November 2009 (EST)

==Redirect==

Thanks for [[Indians]] - those are the ones [[Michael Crichton]] was talking about. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 17:37, 17 November 2009 (EST)

== Leaving ==

Let me just address some of your concerns:

:::''It seems to me that this encyclopedia is a very, very long way from being comprehensive;''

You're right - that's precisely why you should stay and help us improve it!

:::''and the small number of non-vandalizing users makes me think that it will not catch up for a long while.''

It will take a while, if editors leave because they think it will take a while. This is a self-fulfilling prophecy!

:::''In addition, the several recent departures of prominent editors (e.g. [[User:Ksorenson]], [[User:MarkGall]], [[User:PatrickD]]) have caused me to rethink where this project seems to be going.''

KSorenson's reaction to certain news stories indicate she may have always intended to leave. I've spoken to MarkGall in private, and he very well may be coming back at some time. The simple fact is, people come and people go, but these particular editors have only been here for a few months and their departure hardly signals the death knell for Conservapedia.

:::''Conservapedia has noble goals, but I am no longer sure that participating in it is the way God wants me to use my time.''

If you agree with the goals of Conservapedia, I implore you to stay and help us build this project. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 22:40, 18 November 2009 (EST)

==Software naming conventions==

Hi, Evan. Would you like to help me come up with a [[naming convention]] for our [[computer software]] articles? I've written an article on restarting the [[Vista print spooler]], and I've moved [[Windows]] and [[Vista]]. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 10:17, 1 December 2009 (EST)

:Sure; I'll be thinking about it. Just from a quick scan, we've got some inconsistency: [[C programming language]] but [[Java]] and [[Python]]. (Hey, what about the snakes and island?) I'd lobby for one consistency: either "Name (type)" such as "Windows (operating system)" or "Name type" such as "Windows operating system". "Name" breaks down too fast against Java (island), Python (snake), and Windows (architectural). "Brand Name" breaks down against C and Python, which don't have a company behind them. I'll be thinking more later today.--[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 10:25, 1 December 2009 (EST)

:[[Python]] moved to [[Python (programming language)]], and other moves and redirects also done. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 10:35, 1 December 2009 (EST)

::Okay, here I am back. Sorry about the wait; I'm afraid I'd forgotten about the project. After a lot of thought, I'm afraid we'll need to just go with "Name" in general, or "Name (type)" in case of confusion. We can't always have "Name (type)"; does anyone here really want "Office (office suite)" or "Microsoft Office (office suite)"? You could say that "Microsoft Office" is an example of "Brand Name", but we just as clearly want "SQL" and not "IBM SQL". If you really, really want consistency, I suppose that "Name (type)" could work for everything without a brand, but that would be inconsistent with the rest of CP. Even though we need [[Georgia (country)]], we don't force consistency with "Russia (country)" or "Germany (country)".
::So, my suggestion: "Name" in general ("SQL", "BASIC", "Macintosh"), with brand when it's a recognized part (ok, I know I'm being vague here, but you get the picture with "Windows Vista" and "Microsoft Office") and "Name (type)" only when we've got an article on another thing with that name ("Python (snake)", "C (letter of alphabet)"). I think that last caveat is a good way of distinguishing when the other thing with that name is significant enough to bump the programming concept to a disambiguating part of name.
::Again, I'm sorry I'm so late getting back to you.--[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 12:37, 12 December 2009 (EST)

:It's a bit confusing, what you've said. There's nothing ambiguous about [[Microsoft Office]]; hence, no need for a type in parenthesis.

:When the issue of distinguishing between similar article titles first came up at Wikipedia, it was quickly decided that we '''omit''' the type whenever possible.

:Or is that what you were saying? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 12:49, 12 December 2009 (EST)

::Yes, that's what I was saying. In general, just "Name" (sometimes the brand is part of the name); put "Name (type)" only when we already have an article on another thing with that name. --[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 12:52, 12 December 2009 (EST)

==About the Messianic Prophesy article==

The article is not a copy of Josh McDowell's book, it is taken from a Roman Catholic Israeli site. I think that I can work on it some, but there is a problem in just how far I can go. The actual Scripture verses that are used are well known and appears almost everywhere. Of course, the wording of the Scriptures cannot be tampered with. Lesser known is much of the quotes of the Commentary - taken from the Rabbinical literature. But these, too, can't be changed. Yet, I feel that they should not be left out. I have added one or two of my own commentary, but I decided to leave all the rest of the non citation commentary as is because to make changes, could only be superficial and stylistic. I'll try to do some, though, and perhaps delete some commentary, as well, and afterwards, you take a look, and perhaps you can do more revamping. The Bible Quote templates add a lot to it!Bert Schlossberg 11:42, 4 December 2009 (EST) [[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 11:47, 4 December 2009 (EST)

EvanW, I don't know what to do. I've edited out the pictures, and edited in my commentary for "Jesus is God" (below) but all the commentary of the original besides being excellent is concise having the quotes from the rabbinic sources embedded within. To edit further, I could only artificially seek for synonymns - "also" for "too", and the likes. You have already changed the order. What to do?

Commentary:

"Hebrew is a contextual language - that is relatively few words but each word having a variety of meanings. This requires knowledge of the literature, and literatures - that is, knowledge of the context to determine the precise meaning. Biblical Hebrew has a help in this, though, and that is "signs" (t'amey Hamikr'a) that accompany the text, usually above the letters, sometimes to the side, which are divided into two main categories - conjunctive and disjuctive. The conjunctive tie two words together, the disjuctive indicate that the words are separate in thought. These two categories of signs also serve as punctuation - full stop (period), semi-stop (coma),and even thought groupings. they were written down by the Masoretes of the 5th cent A.D., that is the people that carried on the earlier tradition of how things were understood. Masoret=tradition. Thus, In Isaiah 9:6, the Hebrew words themselves can bear the meaning "His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor of the Mighty God..." or His name shall be called " Wonderful, Counsellor, the Mighty God...". But the T'amey Hamikr'a decide the case. Between "Counsellor" and Mighty God" there is a disjunctive. Therefore His name shall be called Counsellor, the Mighty God..." is correct - according to the understanding that the Masoretes received." [[User:BertSchlossberg|Bert Schlossberg]] 23:54, 4 December 2009 (EST)

:Ahh, editing. There're any number of ways to rephrase sentences, et cetera... I think it'd be far shorter to point you to some of [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Messianic_Prophecies&diff=727088&oldid=726850 what I've done] on the article than to explain. Basically, I try to edit whole paragraphs rather than simple sentences, finding other ways to convey the same thoughts (usually shorter, at that!) If you think you've got ideas, great! If not, then I'm sure I or someone else will find time to do it. It's an intriguing and profitable field of study! And thank you for your extra info on the Hebrew punctuation; it really helps. --[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 00:00, 5 December 2009 (EST)

== Thanks! ==

Thanks for your effort at [[Fall of man]]. That's precisely what I was looking for. [[User:Yoritomo|Yoritomo]] 23:05, 11 December 2009 (EST)

:You're welcome. I'm glad I could help, and thank you for pointing out that the article needed references. If you have any more questions about Bible references, I definitely hope you can get them answered. If I'm around, I'll do my best. --[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 23:07, 11 December 2009 (EST)

== Advice on speedy deletion ==

Hi, I was just doing some housekeeping and adding all articles with deletion discussions to [[Conservapedia:Articles for deletion]]. But there remain lots of pages with deletion templates, but no corresponding discussion. Some seem rather obvious deletion candidates: Empty categories, redirects to deleted articles, almost empty pages, and a user page of a blocked user or two. I'm pretty new to Conservapedia, so I thought I'd ask before making a mistake and creating unnecessary work: Can those obvious candidates all be tagged for [[:Template:Db|speedy deletion]], or if not, when is speedy deletion appropriate and when is a deletion discussion required? Thanks in advance, [[User:Yoritomo|Yoritomo]] 11:45, 12 December 2009 (EST)

:I'm only a month older here than you, and I don't have a clue how the deletion process works. But, I wouldn't see why anyone would want to keep any of those (other than maybe the userpages, as a historical record.) Sorry I couldn't help. --[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 12:24, 12 December 2009 (EST)
::Sorry, I took you for an admin and didn't check. I'll probably make sure and ask someone else before I start to make a mess. Anyway, thanks for the opinion. [[User:Yoritomo|Yoritomo]] 12:35, 12 December 2009 (EST)
:::Oh, boy! First time I get mistaken for an admin - how exciting! :) Unfortunately, I don't think it'll be true for a while...--[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 12:38, 12 December 2009 (EST)

== Message ==

Just got a header saying I have new messages, but when I got there there was nothing new and you were the last to edit. What did you want to say, because I can't see it? [[User:CharlieT|CharlieT]] 13:06, 12 December 2009 (EST)
:I was just helping fix vandalism on your talk page. Check its history if you want to see. --[[User:EvanW|EvanW]] 13:07, 12 December 2009 (EST)
::Ah, thanks for that! I tought something was broken. [[User:CharlieT|CharlieT]] 13:08, 12 December 2009 (EST)

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Xi Shi Huang

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Xi Shi Huang (231 BC - 208 BC) was the second and final emperor (r. 210 BC - 208 BC) of the unifying Chinese [[Qin]] Dynasty. He was the second son of his father, the first emperor, and upon his father's death plotted with his father's chancellor to take the throne instead of his father's first son. He proved an unpopular ruler, more concerned with his own pleasures than his people (his capital Wan King was described by the hisorian [[Sima Qian]] as 'the highest (as in wealthy) yet lowest (morally) place in the land'). After just two years of rule he was driven out by the [[Han]].

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Xi Shi Huang (231 BC - 208 BC) was the second and final emperor (r. 210 BC - 208 BC) of the unifying Chinese [[Qin]] Dynasty. He was the second son of his father, the first emperor, and upon his father's death plotted with his father's chancellor to take the throne instead of his father's first son. He proved an unpopular ruler, more concerned with his own pleasures than his people (his capital Wan Kin was described by the hisorian [[Sima Qian]] as 'the highest (as in wealthy) yet lowest (morally) place in the land'.). After just two years of rule he was driven out by the [[Han]].

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Alkali-base reactions

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An alkali-base reaction is a reaction in which an [[alkali]], such as magnesium carbonate (MgCO3) reacts with a [[base]], such as potassium hydroxide (KOH). The reaction produces a metal (Mg and K seperately) and hydroxycarbonate salts (CO4H3+).

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