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== Question ==

What do you think of this edit?[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Sunni&curid=12296&diff=1326541&oldid=1260905] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:30, 28 March 2017 (EDT)
: I don't quite know what to think. The grammar is pretty bad, for sure. As for the content, I do not really understand the difference, so I can't say if it is true or not. I was rather hoping someone with a better understanding of the factions would review it. Do you have any idea of its acuracy? In the meantime, I'll try a more rounabout approach. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:20, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

== move request / delete request ==

I think I've put in the correct template notices, but it seems that communicating with you directly. as the "mover/deleter-in-chief" is more effective.

Please delete [[Spacetime]] and rename [[Curvature of spacetime]] on top of it.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, the templates look right. I'd be happy to help (and you did get a chuckle out of me with "mover/deleter-in-chief") but unfortunately, I cannot delete pages. I can move, but that's all. I'll ask someone else to delete it, then do the move unless they do it before me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:36, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
::Okay, done --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:26, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

== "Dewey Defeats Truman" ==

I already asked Andy, but is there any way to find or upload old newspaper articles, particularly the 1948 "Dewey Defeats Truman" ''Chicago Tribune'' article (not the fMous image, but the actual article)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:The problem is that the newspaper itself is copyrighted, as far as I know. If we could get written permission from the Chicago Tribune, that would be ideal. Otherwise, we can only go down the slippy slope of "Fair use." I'll try to do a little research, but I don't know if there is much we can do other than linking to the image/article directly. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:51, 8 April 2017 (EDT)

::The [[Harry Truman]] article has several newspaper images displayed on it (unfortunately, not the "Dewey wins" one). Is there any difference with those, or were those mistakenly uploaded? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:15, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Hmmm... good point. They claimed "fair use." I know WP uses copyrighted things with impunity, just claiming it is "fair use." However, i don't really know what legal ground they have to stand on. That's why I usually differ to Mr. Schlafly on Fair Use topics. it occurs to me that the Chicago Tribune might have some published terms of use. If we could find those, it might help. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:28, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
::::The proposed use of the photo to decorate the [[Fake News]] article would not be fair use. If you had a discussion of the ''Tribune'' or of the photo itself, that could potentially be a fair use. If I were the permissions editor of the ''Tribune'' (a company that currently operates a for-profit website), I would not give you permission to use the photo on an article that calls it (and the ''Tribune'') "fake news." Again, there are several copyrights involved, the photographer's, the underlying newspaper, and anyone who altered or "touched up" the photo since it was taken. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 15:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::I had a feeling it would not--you're right, especially if we are asking so we can essentially berate them, it would not be in their best interests to agree. Thanks for the input! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:30, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Conservapedia IRC channel ==

I don't think the IRC channel is active anymore.

I could be wrong, but I think IRC channels make your computer very susceptible to malware attacks. I think a weekly or biweekly Skype conference chat would be better for those who are interested. Skype is a very secular network. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:I could also be wrong, but I'm not aware of any penetration risks with IRC. The beauty of IRC is its simplicity--there are no local scripts, cross-site scripts, databases, or other fancy features--it's just text. IRC client programs should not have any significant computer access, so there shouldn't be much risk--I think. I did a little research, and couldn't find any articles on vulnerabilities either, but nothing it perfect.
:The main thing is that not all IRC networks use encryption, so conversations may not be secure. However, IRC channels are usually intended to be public anyway, so that is not a major issue. Also, encryption can be set up if needed.
:Anyway, Skype conferences could work, I suppose, although a scheduled occasional thing does not promote the casual conversation which can occur in IRC or some other chat room style place. Still, it might be a good chance for people to talk. If something like that is developed, I would be interested in joining. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::Please set up a Conservapedia IRC channel. Conservapedia could use more of a sense of community. And then ask for the IRC channel to be mentioned on the main page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:01, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Oh! okay, will do. I need to research a good network, since my old favorite has degenerated. I'll get back to you once its done. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:55, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::::Question: Should all users be required to register an IRC account before they can talk?
::::I'm setting up a channel which is not ready yet, so I don't want to post the info openly. I can e-mail it to you though, if you would like. If we decide to keep this, I'll also need to know who to set as IRC SysOps. I will be one automatically, since I'm creating it, but I can add others to several different permission levels. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:44, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::Okay, I think I have something reasonably set up. It is #conservapedia @irc.AccessIRC.net
:::::Thoughts? If you joint sometimes and register a nick, I can set you (and all other CP admins) to have SysOp rights. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:48, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::Here is a [https://kiwiirc.com/client?settings=7c7240c62a5d4861a8ad0ba697929f39 web client link], too, if that's easier. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Image typo ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[:File:Donald Trump with Nei Gorsuch Jan. 31, 2017.jpg]] in order to correct my spelling error on Gorsuch's first name? After that, is it OK if you request Andy to delete the redirect, as well as the redirect "[[Fake news]]"? (for the latter, so [[Fake News]] -- notice the "N" -- can be moved there, per JDano's request). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:Of course, moved as requested. I'm sure it's fine to ask Andy--you can you it yourself, but I did it this time, since I'm already thinking about it anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 03:10, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::All done, with Andy's help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:02, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:23, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Merge cats? ==

Do you think [[:Category:Weaponry]] and [[:Category:Weapons]] should be merged together? Or should one of those cats become a subcategory of the other? Right now, they are not related in any way, other than having one of the same parent cats. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:44, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
:That sounds like an excellent idea.... I don't see a difference either, so I agree that they should be merged. There's no need to make things more complicated than needed. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])

Would you also please move the article [[Occupy democrats]] so the "D" is capitalized? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:39, 17 April 2017 (EDT)
:Good idea, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:56, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

== Moving Pages ==

I think there's a problem with some article names that you may be able to fix. One of the New Testament books is named Titus. However, the page on [[Titus]] on Conservapedia goes to a Roman emperor, not the biblical book. Instead, the New Testament books Conservapedia page is on [[Epistle to Titus]], a rather awkward name to say the least.

So, I want to request you to move the page on the Roman emperor to a new article that should be titled [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]] (the emperors full name), and [[Epistle to Titus]] should be moved to simply Titus. Thanks for reading.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 23:29, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
:Personally, I like the "Epistle of Titus" name. I think moving the article of the Roman emperor is a good idea, but I personally disagree with moving the article of the biblical book. I think that once the Roman emperor's article is moved, the "Titus" redirect should be re-redirected to "Epistle of Titus". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
I guess having a direct page works as well, but I'd prefer devoting a biblical book to its own name, 'epistle' of course is an interpretation.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 10:15, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

:I think it might be a bit presumptive to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, since "Titus" is a name used over and over. Perhaps a disambiguation page would be appropriate under that name? A redirect would work also, as 1990'sguy suggested, but if we do that, a disambiguation statement should probably be added to the top of Epistle to Titus. In any case, I agree on moving Titus to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, so I'll start with that. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
Since you moved the Roman emperor to [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]], the article [[Titus]] has simply become nothing more than a redirect page to the Roman emperor. So I see no problem in simply moving [[Epistle to Titus]] to what is now a redirection page. I don't see any other type of article that could take up the [[Titus]] page, the biblical book seems to be the only one to warrant that name. So I'd still advocate my initial thoughts. Also -- not everyone may know what 'epistle' means, best to keep it simple.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:46, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::I'm still torn was to which is the better option. However, a full admin must delete [[Titus]] before [[Epistle to Titus]] could be moved there anyway. I made [[Titus]] a disambiguation page, which is all I can do. If you want to get Epistle to Titus moved to Titus, you will need to ask an administrator, such as [[User:Jpatt]], [[User:Karajou]], or [[User:Aschlafly]]. I still haven't decided what's better, but it's out of my hands anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: I had presumed you were capable of moving pages. Anyways, I brought this to [[User:Jpatt]].[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:24, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::You assumed correctly, but I can only move pages when there is nothing preexisting under the destination name. Since there was already a page under [[Titus]], I cannot move anything on top of that. An administrator needs to delete the existing page first, before a move can be completed. I should have thought of that sooner. Anyway, sorry I can't help more, but let me know if there is anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:19, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: You've already done enough by redirecting me to [[User:Jpatt]]. I made two requests to Jpatt, to move [[Epistle to Titus]] to [[Titus]], and rename the page [[Queen Gorgo of Sparta]] to simply [[Gorgo of Sparta]]. Both requests have been granted, [[Titus]] is now a page for the biblical book, whereas [[Epistle to Titus]] simply redirects to the biblical book. All seems well now -- and thanks![[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 15:54, 25 April 2017 (EDT)

DavidB4, would you please move the article [[St Gall]] to [[St. Gallen]]? The latter is the correct name of the Swiss city. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

:I would but now cannot, because the content has been copied over. A full admin will need to delete [[St. Gallen]], revert the change to [[St Gall]], then preform the move. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

::I've asked Jpatt to resolve this. See: [[User_talk:Jpatt#Moving_Pages]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:19, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

Hey David. Another request, if I may. Could you move [[Tiberius]] to [[Tiberius Caesar Augustus]], the full name of the emperor, and make it so that [[Tiberius]] is simply a proper redirect page?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Anti-Trump" article ==

Would you please move the article [[Anti-Trump]] to [[Never Trump movement]]? (is there supposed to be a space between "Never" and "Trump" or not?) This move would be to differentiate the movement from [[Opposition to Donald Trump]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:41, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
:Done. Just because the "hash tag" does not have a space doesn't mean there shouldn't be one. I would say it should have a space, and a quick web search seemed to show that most other people feel the same. Cheers! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:10, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

==Picture Upload Requests==

Hi. Would it be possible to upload some of the following three pictures?

:http://www.magdala.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/history_01.jpg
:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/archaeology-today/magdala-2016-excavating-the-hometown-of-mary-magdalene/
:http://cdn.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/magdala-stone-3.jpg?x10423

Thanks.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 12:10, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

I would be happy to, but first I need license information. unless explicitly stated, all content musty be assumed to be under copyright. Is this info available somewhere? If not, can you perhaps find some suitable substitutes which are usable, from places like Wikimedia commons and Flickr? Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:03, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

:I've sent a message to the website requesting usage of these pictures. Hopefully I'll get a response soon.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Perfect, alright let me know what they say (if they do)! Also if they give the ok, it would be great if you could forward the message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us so I can document it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

: Thanks. Good news -- although I haven't received an e-mail from them back yet, some of the images I need turned out to be on Wikimedia Commons which I'm hoping you will be able to upload:
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:Isrele_-_Tiberias_-_Lake_002.jpg
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Magdala_Stone#/media/File:Magdala_Stone_(5).jpg

:Of course, if I receive permission from magdala.org, that will give us access to some very high-quality image on a range of things regarding [[Magdala]], which will be even better.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 19:25, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great, yes I can do those right now. Uploaded as [[:File:Israeli-Tiberias-Lake.jpg]] and [[:File:Magdala Stone.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! If I have any new requests, I'll just post them down here without further comment. For now;

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg [[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 00:41, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:Uploaded as [[:File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg]]. Feel free to ask me here, of course, but I also monitor [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]--you can ask there, as well. I'm not the only one to answer requests there, so you could get a faster response. Either is fine with me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:: Gotcha! Thanks a lot.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

: Good news. I received a response e-mail from bibleplaces.com, a site that contains numerous very good photos on biblical locations. Accordingly, we can freely use up to 10 images from their website up to 400 pixels wide (the standard on bibleplaces.com). I will forward the response e-mail to you so that you can document it.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great! Okay, thanks! Let me know which ones you want uploaded, too, whenever you pick them out (no rush).

== Question ==

Do you think [[Xiang qi|this article]] has an appropriate quality for CP? I ask because the article creator is a liberal RW sysop who has brought his editing and writing style over to CP (though I think it's gotten better). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:I don't see any significant issues. Having two parenthetical remarks in the first sentence isn't ideal, but in regards to style, spelling, grammar, and notability, it looks ok to me. I haven't done research to verify the information, but assuming it is accurate, I think is should be fine. The only other thing I noticed was the use of parentheses inside of parentheses. Technically, brackets then braces should be used, but nowiki tags might be needed to make that work in some cases. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== Opinion ==

Hello. I was considering a move option for the page [[Exodus of Israel]]. I was thinking of moving this article to [[The Exodus]], and using [[Exodus of Israel]] as a redirect to it. As of right now, it's the other way around, and I wanted your opinion on this. I find that [[The Exodus]] is a much simpler name and title for the page, and a title that more people will consider when thinking about this event ('the exodus'). As far as I'm concerned, few people would consider typing in 'Exodus of Israel' to get to the page (although there is a disambiguation to get there from [[Exodus]]). So, I thought that [[The Exodus]] would be a superior title, and thus we should move [[Exodus of Israel]] to [[The Exodus]]. So far, I've already asked the opinion of 1990'sguy. -Unsigned comment by Korvex

:I think that while either might be acceptable, "Exodus of Israel" is better. Firstly, if someone types in "Exodus" they will see the result. Secondly, people familiar with the Bible my be familiar with "the exodus," but those who don't know the Bible may be confused. Exodus simply means to leave, usually in mass. While we know this is referring to the Israelites exiting Egypt, some may not. The current title is more precise, so my opinion is that the page should stay where it is. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:32, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the thoughts. Just one issue I recently noted -- [[Acre]] is a page on the measurement, but it should be turned into a disambiguation page, because there's also a city in Israel called Acre. So, could you take care of that by moving the pages?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 18:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

:Any time! As for Acre, We can do that, but I wounder if that's necessary. Acre, Israel is somewhat of a minority topic. Besides the fact we don't have an article for the city, I suspect that most people search "arce" will be looking for the unit, not the place. Even WP has an article about the unit under the name "acre" (not that I want to use WP as a template for CP). We don't want to frustrate users with too many disambiguation pages, but we also don't want to make it hard to find minority pages, either. We could put a link at the top of "Acre" to "Acre, Israel" I suppose, too. Do you plan to write a page on the city? If not, then as bad as it sounds, we can put this problem off until later. If so, then we should figure out something. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

== Ref help and suggestion ==

I have a code problem with a reference. The URL for ref. 3 (GOP 2016 platform) on [[Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition]] is correct, but it is weird and CP does not recognize it. It only considers part of the URL as the actual URL. Is there anything you can do to fix that, so people who click on the link will actually find the 2016 platform? (BTW, other than this code error, I like the link became it actually links to the actual PDF, rather than a page that links to that PDF).

In addition to the above, I have two suggestions for your bot. I don't know what you will think of them, but I might as well ask. First, can you program the bot to change hyphens to en-dashes whenever it is clear that the mark is intended to be a dash? Many editors use hyphens when they're supposed to be using dashes. Secondly, is there any way for your bot to add the links to the ''Biographical Directory of the United States Congress'' on the articles of current and former members of Congress? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:57, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

:It seems that they didn't stick to naming conventions, so that link text is being misunderstood by the wiki. I put in a workaround, using a web redirect. It's not really what we should do, but I'm not sure what it is we should do. This works, anyway.
:I welcome any any all thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc. about the bot! Unfortunately, the bot is very limited, and not very smart. It can and does detect double hyphens (the proper way to type a dash when only hyphens are available) and replace them with a dash. However, it cannot tell if a single hyphen should be replaced with a dash. Only if a specific word is immediately before or after the dash in need of replacing could it do this. It would detect the "-word" or "word-" then replace it. That's about as good as it gets. For the second suggestion, it could only add identical links to each page. So if there is some master list you would link linked to, it can put that on a hundred pages in a few minutes. However, it cannot put a different link on each page. I'm still hunting for a better bot solution, but for now, the main "engine" is basically just a batch edit bot. If anything within these constraints could be helpful, let me know and I'll gladly run a batch job. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
::I just tried the "cite web" template, but the same ref problem occurred. Oh well. I encourage you to continue to develop your bot! I think a bot that can do more things would be very useful. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:59, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

==Regarding Ransomware==
I've been a bit out of the IT loop, but I can think of a few ideas for defeating it, at least on a Windows OS, in degrees of severity.
:1. Booting from the OS installation DVD and going a few system restores back.
:2. Reinstalling Windows.
:3. The above, plus updating the BIOS.
:4. The above, plus swapping out the CPU and motherboard physically.
:5. The above, plus having all your information backed-up to an external hard drive or flash drive pre-infection.

How deep would I have to go? The NSA leaks on Windows zero-days make me concerned. I'd rather not lose twelve years of data. --[[User:Pious|Pious]] ([[User talk:Pious|talk]]) 23:39, 19 May 2017 (EDT)

:Sorry for the delayed response. You're certainly on the right track, but there are a few important factors to consider while following that line of reasoning. Since most ransomeware encrypts the entire drive, the OS disk does not see any system to run system restore on. Therefore, that is not an option. Actually, in my experience, system restore is almost always useless when dealing with malware, since the "bad guys" know all about it, and want to defeat it. Secondly, the CPU is just a calculator--it cannot be locked or corrupted. The only available attack on a processor which I know of is to force it to run far too many calculations so that it burns out. Regarding your points specifically, therefore:
:# Not going to work, as explained.
:# That should work fine--the attack is usually designed to lock data. If you reinstall the OS, there is not much they can do to stop you, in most cases.
:#Updating the BIOS would only be needed if the BIOS has been corrupted. If it has, it may also have been somewhat protected against updating. However, the BIOS is generally not targeted, since it is different from one computer to another. While one kind can be attacked, scores of others will be safe.
:#Replacing the CPU would be pointless, but replacing the board replaces the CMOS. That will remove the potentially infected BIOS from the equation. If the ransomware comes back, this is a good thing to try.
:#Always a good idea! Back up all of your personal files, and keep the storage device disconnected from the PC at all other times. If you get infected while that drive is attached, it will probably be locked as well.
:Something I like to do is to also take complete drive backup. This will take substantial external storage, but is a safe way to protect your files, settings, and perhaps most importantly, your software licenses. Take a system snapshot, then if the system is compromised, restore the image to the drive. This demolishes all data on the drive, and replaces it with the old information. Ideally, you should be able to just reboot after the restore, and the system will initialize as it always used to. My favorite program for doing that is [https://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm DriveImage XML] (which is free for private use).

:It can go deep--the BIOS can be compromised, so you will be unable to boot to anything but the infected drive. This will prevent you from restoring a complete drive backup, even if you have one. The only way I know to deal with that is to swap out the motherboard, and run a boot disk (I like [[Hiren's BootCD]]). Using DIXML on the boot disk, then restore the XML backup to the infected drive. Make sure to wipe the drive first, just in case--at least a full format would be smart. Then try booting to it, with your external backup drive (any all other storage devices, except the restored hard drive) disconnected. Then you can try playing around, cleaning your BIOS and other storage devices, if you have any.

:For now, just keep make sure to get all Windows updates, make regular backups (and if you take complete drive backups, keep a few older versions as well as the newest), never visit links you don't trust (especially in e-mails), and maybe get some good [[Anti-virus software]] and perhaps anti-malware software, like [[Spybot Search & Destroy]].
:A more radical option you could use is to switch to a [[Linux]] system. [[Linux Mint]] might be a good one, since the interface is designed similar to that of Windows. It would take some getting used to, and you will need to find and learn some new software to replace the Windows software you may use now, but that will shelter you from those zero-day vulnerabilities. Linux can have vulnerabilities too, but very few attackers pay any attention to them, since so few people use each version of Linux.

:I hope this helps some--anything I didn't cover well? I know it's a lot to take in and especially a lot to do. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:33, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

==Congressman John Fleming==

I would like to upload an updated official photo. Can you assist? [[User:Dustygram|Dustygram]] ([[User talk:Dustygram|talk]]) 22:15, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, if you can you go ahead and find one, in the Public Domain or under a [[Creative Commons]] license, that would be great. Here are some good sources:
:*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page '''WikiMedia Commons''']
:*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 '''Flickr''']
:*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile]
:*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures]
:The first two are my favorites. If you can find a good one, just get me the link and I'll upload it. If this is all confusing, or you have any questions, please just say so! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== Editor ==

Is there any chance you could review the edits of [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/MattF this editor]? They are not vandalism, but they cite few sources and I don't think many of them have the most encyclopedic language. I changed some of his edits, and I posted on his talk page with some of the diffs. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:52, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:Agreed, he is adding some great information, but citations are needed. I've messaged him as well. It could be that he just isn't familiar with the process. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 22 May 2017 (EDT)

== Protection ==

The page title should be protected after being deleted, and protected so only administrators can create. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:22, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:Not a bad idea, but I cannot set that level of protection. I don't even know if autoconfirmed level restriction will slow this fool down, but it's all I can do. Perhaps ask an a full admin? The thing is, he'll just use a slightly different name, and keep going. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:25, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::That's a good point, although I don't think that level of protection does much of anything since only registered users can edit anyway. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:::That is probably the case. However, some users registered here are not autoconfirmed, but do have accounts. I'm not sure how/why that happens. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Coat of Arms" of Turkey ==

Hi. [[Turkey]] doesn't have a "coat of arms", but [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TurkishEmblem.svg "'''national emblem'''" on the flag (star and crescent)] is being used on passports, ID cards, driving licences, embassy signs, seal of the presidential office, seal of the National Assembly and the seal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I ask you to upload this file and put it on the article (instead of the so-called "coat of arms"). Thanks. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 12:14, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:The image currently used there does seem to be legitimate. I'd be happy to upload it, but it doesn't really seem to be their coat of arms as much as it is just their national symbol. Since it is so similar to the flag (which has the same emblem) are you sure it would be beneficial to show that instead of the current image, which is in the "Coat of arms" section? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:52, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::Yes, it will definitely be true. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 02:50, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, so I've done a little digging. While you are right, of course, that this emblem is regularly used, it is not their of arms. The coat of arms is different (here are some [[:Category:National_Coats_of_Arms|other examples]]). I'm fine with uploading this emblem, but it doesn't belong in that slot. The template doesn't actually seem to have a slot for it, but we could include it as an independent image, if you like. It clearly represents them, but just not as a coat of arms. Any thoughts on how it might be best displayed? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:46, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

== D.T. achievements article question ==

The article I'm working on, [[Donald Trump achievements]], is already 200,000 bytes, and we're not even halfway through 2017. I was thinking of making separate subpages for each year, but should I instead do half-years? Or, how big can I make pages until the become a problem for readers (long loading time, etc.)? I would appreciate your opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
:Unrelated, would you please correct the title of [[:File:John Flemming.jpg]] (it's one "M", not two). As well as add cats? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:40, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
::You could divide it by years or by topic areas -- foreign affairs, defense and national security, and domestic policy. Load time depends on the number of images and templates. If you look at the longest articles in CP, they are:
*[[Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2013-2016]] ‎[1,254,945 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[1,053,795 bytes]
*[[‎Literalist Bible chronology]] ‎[545,440 bytes]
*[[‎Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2012]] ‎[521,228 bytes]
*[[‎Revelation, Book of (historical exegesis)]] ‎[494,607 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) shorter form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[452,782 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 22-28]] ‎[390,968 bytes]
*[[‎Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 29-35]] ‎[364,572 bytes]
*[[‎Community Portal/Archive 1]] ‎[346,243 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 15-21]] ‎[340,061 bytes]
The longest page on English Wikipedia is ‎List of Australian treaties ‎[1,335,307 bytes]. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 08:55, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

::That's a good question, but I really don't know the answer. I have a feeling that splitting it up a bit might be a good idea, but I dont know what our policy on page size is. 200kb is a lot to load on anything other than a high-speed connection. With the images, as you mentioned, it might be a bit much even for high-speed service. It might be smart to split it up or ask Andy. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])
:::OK. Would you please move the image as I requested to fix the spelling mistake? To reply to JDano, I considered dividing the article by topic area, but I don't want to do that because 1), that would be a lot of articles to maintain, and 2), some achievements could fall in multiple categories. For example, Trump's upcoming decision on the Paris Climate Agreement (which I hope he chooses to leave) could fall in the "environment," "foreign policy," and "government size/regulation" sections. Considering the other long articles, I might as well try to continue with my plan to make subpages by year rather than half-year, but if that's a bad descision, please tell me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:20, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

:: I was waiting until I could use a PC to move the file, but I've just done it. You should be able to categorize miles once they're uploaded, if you want. I don't know much about him I couldn't use precise categories. However, I have added some basic ones which will probably be sufficient. Probably keeping the page as it is is okay. It's a lot to download, but like you said, splitting it up would be complicated. Let me know if there's anything else I can do!--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:47, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

One unrelated thing: I have been removing unnecessary links added by TAR, but I want to be cautious in removing links and there are a few articles where I would like someone else to decide which links/cats to remove. The articles I'm thinking about are [[Oath Keepers]], [[Vow]], and [[American Patriots]]. It might also a good idea to check the categories of [[Conservative values]]. Would you please do these things? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

:I will take a look when possible, but am very busy right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:52, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

::They looked pretty good. I cleaned up a few things, mostly categories. It's just a judgement call for some things, and there isn't always any guideline. I tend to not remove enough sometimes. However, they look pretty good to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

== Bye ==

It's been great knowing you. Are you from Chicago? I've never done well with people from Chicago before; they commit a lot of crime in my part of the state. If you are, it's good to meet a nicer, better-mouthed person from Chicago. Still, you're a great technician and I hope you can use that to bring this site to glory.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:It's been great knowing you as well. I've been out of touch the last for weeks--are you leaving?
:I am not from Chicago, actually. In any case, thanks--I hope I can help out a lot here! You have made some great progress here also. Thanks for your efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:55, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
::He appears to have been some type of parodist.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1350635&oldid=1350476] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:12, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Interesting. I was originally suspicious (due to the user name), but he seemed to be on the level. This goes to show what happens when I don't pay attention for two weeks. Thanks for the link! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:32, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:I was more than suspicious and said so months ago (somewhere - I can't find it now.) I had various tos and fros with him and asked for help re The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991. a number of times. You and your mates were more interested in nailing Liberals than housekeeping. Only Progressingamerica answered.
So... tomorrow... or whenever....when I finally manage to get myself together after a major injury to my wife, I will get into this with a degree of gusto. I will say only one thing now...that Abcque was allowed to do what he did for so long by the sheer ignorance or lack of will of so called senior editors of CP. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 02:57, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
::Clearly I missed that. Thanks for trying anyway....
::I'm sorry to hear about your wife! I hope she is doing alright. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:35, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Susan's injury is not life threatening - just extremely painful and very disabling. She slipped and fell against a wooden edge in the vegetable garden and smashed her forearm. Not broke, smashed. Her radius (the bone that goes to the thumb side of the hand) broke into 11 pieces. Her ulna, the other bone in the forearm, is broken but only once. The injury is to her left arm and she is left handed.
:Thank you for your kind words.
:::BTW... "The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991" is almost right. The only edition I can find though is 1993. But I'm damned (or "d****ed" as he would put it) if I am going to spend $60 or more getting it here from the States to check any "discrepancies". (I am one of those terrible liberals who paid taxes for nearly fifty years and is now getting some of them back - only some mind you - as a pension.)
: I need someone to get rid of the title [[Joseph Belloc]] so a new aticle can be written. I can pass a critical eye over the more well known or international American writers. I have them on my shelves. The fun will be with Auden; an old friend but a complicated one to put into two or three hundred words.
::Anyway...teatime and guess who is preparing it. :) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 03:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== Cleaning up after the blocked users ==

I've checked the author articles he's created, and it does not appear that he made up the "''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''" reference that he used most. It appears that his edits (besides the clear garbage, such as that test vandalism and the jokes) were legitimate. If you would check further, I would appreciate that.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would check my requests I posted two sections above regarding TAR cleanup. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:24, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:Thanks for checking! TAR did definitely add some good content, along with the junk. I will be happy to take a look as time permits, but I don't have much of it right now. One other issue with his contributions is some things were plagiarized, often from [http://www.amateur-radio-wiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page this website]. You could also check for that, if you want and have not already. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:00, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::Also, F.Y.I., TAR was not dishonorably banned. Rather, he decided to leave, and asked that his account be blocked. At the time, several editors were pushing for the admins to take action against him, but I don't think that push was going anywhere. His existing ban is in place at his request, to lock his account. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I already knew that. That's why I used "blocked users" rather than "vandals/parodists" or something like that. However, you're right, my wording was still bad and understandably gave you the impression that you got. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:06, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point. I was tired when I was writing that. You were here then, and part of the push. Sorry about that.--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::That's OK. However, actually, I joined several months after TAR left. I learned about it through reading about it, rather than actually experiencing it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::::I came in late in the game too. I started ignorantly cleaning up some of it, having no clue. SamHB then told me about him, but said he guessed TAR had left. A little while later, TAR reappeared, reverted many of my changes, and referred to me in a derogatory light. Then he left again, and cleanup resumed. It's been a strange situation. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Well, I'm glad he's gone. He appears to have caused a lot of damage. The spam he created still exists on many articles like the ones I asked you about. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:25, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

We've all got better things to think about than the history of the TAR episode, but he blocked himself on Apr 1, 2016 [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= here], but didn't have his rights (that he could have used to unblock himself) revoked until Apr 5. If you are curious, there was extensive discussion among the many people who had been wronged by TARs destructive behavior [[User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive60#Re:_Cleanup_work_post_TheAmericanRedoubt|here]], including a request by me, on Apr 2, that his rights be revoked so that we could all put a stop to this. Once the rights were revoked, we could all breathe a sigh of relief, and look forward to telling you newcomers about this epic battle. :-) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:In some ways, I think TAR was a lot of fun. For example, I liked his: staunch gun rights stance; his free vs. unfree states (the gulag of Massachusetts is an unfree state) and his ardent view that the current economic/fiscal policies of the United States are unsustainable and will lead to collapse.

:Many people merely complain about matters related to these topics, but TAR was a man of action who took action relating to these matters.

:I realize he had his faults as an editor, but I still appreciate his good points. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below ==

I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below.

If you could implement this project, that would be excellent.

=== Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable? ===

{{welcome}}

Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable?

The blue links on a dark red background is hard to read.

Also, some people have started to edit Conservapedia and then quickly gave up because they didn't know how to edit a wiki. I noted about 3 people who did this. There are probably many more who quit but didn't say anything. I added a link entitled "How to edit a wiki". But I believe there are various versions of the welcome template so my link is not on all welcome template versions. For example, the welcome template that JPatt uses didn't incorporate my "How to edit a wiki" link.

Does the newest version of the Wikimedia software allow for WYSIWYG editing? In other words "What you see is what you get".

The newest version of the Wikimedia software does not have the counter at the bottom of the pages. I understand why Andy Schlafly likes the counters at the bottom. I like the counters too. I guess there might be an extension to add the counters to the newest version of Wikimedia. But after all is said and done, having WYSIWYG editing could greatly increase the participation rate at this wiki and lower the rate of people falling out because they don't know how to edit a wiki. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:The "Visual editor" on Wikipedia is very buggy, particular with footnotes. I suspect that most editors come here after learning how to edit Wikipedia and being chased away by their intolerant, toxic culture. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 07:08, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
==== Here is the welcome to Wikipedia and it is much better and legible ====

[[File:Plate of cookies.jpg|thumb|300px|Some cookies to welcome you! [[File:Face-smile.svg|25px]]]] [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|Welcome to Wikipedia]], Conservative! I am [[User:This lousy T-shirt|This lousy T-shirt]] and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Knox490|your contributions]]. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], or feel free to leave me a message on [[User talk:This lousy T-shirt|my talk page]] or type ''{{tl|helpme}}'' at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
* [[Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction]]
* [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
* [[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
* [[Help:Contents|Help pages]]
* [[Wikipedia:Article development|How to write a great article]]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ten_Simple_Rules_for_Editing_Wikipedia Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia].
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Also, when you post on [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] you should [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. Again, welcome!

I think Conservapedia needs a better greeting. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:02, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

:I agree--I've had my eye on that welcome message for almost a year now, but never really put my mind to redoing it altogether. As time allows, I'll see what I can put together. Do you think it should still incorporate the "useful links" template, or have its own seprate links which we could format and explain better? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:10, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Can you have something like Wikipedia's welcome? There's is much better.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:01, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I'll see what I can do. It might take some time--I have almost no free time right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:51, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::What should I name the new one? We already have "welcome" and "welcome2" templates. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:21, 21 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::You could do "welcome3" or "welcomeCP". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:39, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::I just saw the "Greeting" template you created. Is there a chance you could give it a patriotic coloring scheme, kind of like the one we usually use? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:43, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

:::::::I wasn't sure I wanted to go up to "welcome3" but "welcomeCP" could certainly work. Anyway, changing the coloring is a good idea. I'll do a little experimentation, and see what works. Red and blue are complimentary colors, but somehow the combo often seems a little harsh somehow. Maybe I can find a good shade combo though. Thanks for the suggestion! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:05, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
EdPoor just changed the background color of the welcome template. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:16, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

== Updated my post to Aschlafly's talk page. Here is the updated version ==

Have the word "Welcome!" under/above a pic of a welcome fruit basket. Please see Google images to get an idea of welcome fruit baskets: [https://www.google.com/search?q=welcome+basket&rlz=1C1PRFG_enUS744US744&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHyI_c0trUAhUH0oMKHeMQDy4Q_AUICygC&biw=819&bih=510#tbm=isch&q=welcome+fruit+basket Google images - Welcome fruit baskets]. Here are some FREE IMAGES of welcome fruit baskets at: https://pixabay.com/en/photos/?hp=&image_type=&cat=&min_width=&min_height=&q=fruit+basket&order=

Or for $1.00 you can get a stock photo of a welcome fruit basket at: https://www.shutterstock.com/search/similar/350093981

I hope this helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:27, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

== Email ==

I sent you an email about a question I have. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 03:34, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
:I sent you another one. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:21, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
::Replied --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:34, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

== Image question ==

I was also looking to add an image to [[Rare (company)]], hopefully of the company logo, but I was just wondering if that was allowed under "Fair use" or not? I am not an expert in copyright law, and I know that this site takes that very seriously. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:17, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

:Hi,
:That's not a bad idea, but we won't generally use trademarks without permission. While WP regularly does so, or simply declares them public domain, we try to better respect the owners' rights. If you want to use their logo, I would suggest asking them if that is alright. If we can get written permission, then I or any other SysOp would be happy to upload it. However, without permission from them, we probably should not use it. You could as Andy for a second opinion, of course, but especailly with his background in law, he probably will be inclined to stay on the safe side. If you can find some image related to them, but not owned by them, that may also be usable. For example, a photograph of Rare's CEO which has been released under Creative Commons or Public Domain guidelines could be used. It's up to you, but we probably shouldn't use their logo without asking. Thanks for checking, and your work on this article! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:40, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::Since Rare is owned by Microsoft, it seems that [http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Legal/XboxComTOU these terms] (see "COPYRIGHT AND TRADEMARK NOTICES") apply. While not clearly applicable to Rare, this seems likely, since Rare links to those terms.
::Since Microsoft owns it, a request to use materials would probably ulttimately go through them. Send it to Rare at first, but probably it will end up at Microsoft. In my experience (and that of others), it has been very hard to get a response from them. You can still try, though--Rare might respond instead, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:47, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
:::I'm going to email Rare/Microsoft tomorrow morning, although I don't suspect any sort of response. I will try to find an alternative because I've noticed articles are a lot more pleasant for readers to view when there are a few relevant pictures. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:12, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

::::Okay, that sounds like a good plan. It is nice to have some kind of related image. I wish it was easier, but thanks for trying! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:03, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

== Gender ideology ==
Hi, you reverted my last contribution in [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Gender_ideology&diff=prev&oldid=1363294 here] that I spent quite some time on, without giving any good reason. May you pls. explain? Thanx --[[User:AK|AK]] ([[User talk:AK|talk]]) 02:39, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:BTW, I restored the page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:06, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::Wow!! I'm terribly sorry, that was a mistake. I must have hit it while I was reverting a portion of the last vandalism wave. Thank you for noticing, and thank you 1990'sguy for restoring it! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:48, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

== Move requests ==

I have two categories that I am requesting for you to move: [[:Category:Globalist]] to [[:Category:Globalists]], and [[:Category:Nationalist]] to [[:Category:Nationalists]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:56, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
:Good suggestions--done. I can move the pages using my bot later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:39, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

Hello David, would you please move these two categories: [[:Category:Media personalities]] to [[:Category:Media Personalities]], and [[:Category:High schools]] to [[:Category:High Schools]]? Also, would you please use your bot to move every article with those categories to the new category name? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:02, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

:Done. The images in [[:Category:Media personalities]] were protected so they could not be moved. All the rest are taken care of. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:59, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

==Thanks==
Thank you for your assistance. Although the parenthetical helps a bit, two separate bullets would be cleaner in making clear what "President Trump expressed". Please look at: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Donald_Trump_achievements:_Criminal_justice,_law_enforcement,_and_other_DOJ_matters&diff=1368054&oldid=1368043 this proposal.] Many thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:23, 18 August 2017 (EDT)
:I commented on it and I oppose any bullet points on the article solely regarding the 2016 campaign, for the record. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:25, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

== IP blocks ==

Out of curiosity, how do you know all of those IPs are proxies? If it's a server farm, I try and block the whole range, but some of those aren't blocked on Wikipedia, so I'm curious as to how you identified them as proxies. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 16:34, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

:It varies--Some are from backtraces done on vandals who I've dealt with before, others are actually scraped directly from the hosts, while yet others are gathered directly through the usage of such services. I know that these are proxies, because most of these have come directly from the providers. The remaining ones I'm using have been gathered mostly from IP traces.
:If we wanted to use them, there are even openly published lists of addresses, which could probably be blocked outright. I haven't been using those yet, but it is an option. I hope this clarifies. Also, thanks for the advice--as you probably saw, I did check with Andy on this first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:47, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:Also, ranges can definitely be most powerful and effective, but in this case all I have are specific addresses. These are specifically found addresses, and nothing more. They may leave a lot of holes, but I'd rather have these blocked than nothing at all.

== Copied article ==

A lot of the article [[Steppenwolf]] appears to be copied from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steppenwolf_(band)&oldid=796579357 the Wikipedia version]. Should it be deleted? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:33, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it is not just on Wikipedia, but on a number of other sites (plagiarized by them too?) as I mentioned on the [[Talk:Steppenwolf|talk page]] awhile back. I think it probably should be deleted, since it clearly is from Wikipedia, and Wikipedia version have been worked on by many different users, so it is obviously not the work of one person. I had lost track of this issue, so thanks for the reminder! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:44, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

== Delete article? ==

Should we delete this article: [[Julia Gasper]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:16, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:It needs work, but it doesn't seem to be plagiarized. I was included to leave it and see what GraceDalrymple does with it. Do you think it should be? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:21, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::I just attempted to do a little touch-up. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:35, 14 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your input ==

Is this a bad edit: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chivalry&curid=1989&diff=1374996&oldid=1262366]? While our culture is becoming very "gender-neutral," I'm not sure that it changes the definition of chivalry to be between anyone. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 18 September 2017 (EDT)
:I've been pondering the same question. [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chivalry merriam-webster] doesn't really specify, although some other sites like [http://www.wordnik.com/words/chivalry wordnik] do. Since it is an idea from the medieval times, and related to proper behavior for knights, it was inherently relevant to men. I don't know if it is gender exclusive, or just by convention never really applied to women. I'm tempted to revert it just because the history of the word suggests it still should only apply to men.
:I was pretty sure I've seen this exact edit before, too, but I don't see it in the page history. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:43, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

What do you think about this article? [[Peregrin Chronicles]]? I don't have time right now to review it in-depth myself. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

:I don't think I can be much help with this one either. I've never heard of the series before. It exists, but that's about all I've been able to verify so far. It looks like their [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676468266/the-aliens-have-landed-the-peregrin-chronicles-com kickstarter] didn't get much support, either. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's another one: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_evangelism&curid=105140&diff=1375410&oldid=1271896] I'm inclined to let this edit stay, but I'm still not a fan of people removing information. Also, sorry for throwing all these at you. I'll try to tackle some of these myself after this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:03, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

:That one looks fine to me--they are adding verifiable details. No need to apologize--I'm happy to help. A second set of eyes and opinion never hurts. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:13, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
:The accusation from [http://www.billionbibles.org/global-media-outreach.html billionbibles.org] that they are too focused on the human decision to "pray the prayer" does seem to be somewhat valid. However, I don't think that is the best place for it. In any case, God has used Campus Crusade, so although they may be a little shallow, I don't think we need to include this information in such a short blurb on them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:18, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
::Thanks for the detail on that, DavidB4. I hope the page on Global Media Outreach, which I edited earlier this year, adds enough objective detail to explain. We can discuss the "human decision to 'pray the prayer'" if you like, but ultimately the gospel presentation is the tip of the iceberg, and we have thousands of Online Missionaries trained to follow up with them and verify their expressed reaction to the Good News. [http://esv.to/John1.12 John 1:12] and [http://esv.to/Rom10.9-12 Romans 10:9-13] are there to explain that there is a required move on a human being's part, and asking God for salvation seems like a perfectly straightforward way to do it, as long as the person doesn't see prayer as a recitation obligating God to give them eternal life, if that makes sense. For balance, it doesn't seem as if it can simply be a realization of a truth, or even that along with an emotional experience. As Campus Crusade's 4 Laws (which we use a version of) states, "It is not enough just to know these three laws, we must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know and experience God's love and plan for our lives ...Receiving Christ involves turning to God from self (repentance) and trusting Christ to come into our lives to forgive our sins and to make us what He wants us to be. Just to agree intellectually that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for our sins is not enough. Nor is it enough to have an emotional expereince. We receive Jesus Christ by faith, as an act of the will." Prayer can be an expression of that trust and will, although it isn't always formal, as is shown in Acts 10:44. --[[User:Abranch|Abranch]] ([[User Abranch|TALK]]) Wed Sep 20 2017 17:10:49 GMT-0500 (CDT)

:::That is exactly right--I'm glad to hear those are your beliefs! Admittedly, my experience with Campus Crusade is limited to contact with one local chapter. I've never gotten into the full organization, so it's possible that things were represented slightly differently to me than is typical. I also have been out of contact with them for a little while now. I will take a look at the page you revised at some point. Thanks for your contributions so far! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:24, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's an article that might need a page move: [[Homework]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:36, 21 September 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:51, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

== Email spam? ==

Is my email address in your spam folder again? I sent you an email a few days ago and am curious at the lack of response (though it's not important anymore). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:16, 25 September 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it seems your message got lost in the noise. I already have written some rules which should be allowing all messages from CP users, but for some reason it's not working quire right. My apologies! I've relied to your message, though as you said, it's a bit late now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

::Maybe it's the name I use for my email address, "1990" for the first name and "sguy" for the last name? I have had some minor problems with my CP/WP/etc. email address before. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

:::Yeah, I think that's it. A lot of "marketing" (spam) corporations like to use algorithmically generated names, containing numbers and other gibberish. I think a batch of rules I set up early-on (before I knew better) flagged addresses starting with numbers for that reason. I think I've cleared out the offending rules. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:34, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your welcome message ==

On the user talk page [[User talk:NeilG]], someone put your newly designed welcome/template message.

Please change the color of the blue background. The dark blue combined with the black text is not the easiest to read. There is not enough contrast between those colors.

As far as a color I suggest using some shade of yellow or possibly a creamy yellow color such as [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3e/66/18/3e6618ad619db4d45c168d4c8dd04ea4--dutch-boy-paint-colors-paint-colours.jpg THIS COLOR] or a light parchment color such as [http://www.art-paints.com/Paints/Acrylic/DecoArt/Americana/Light-Parchment/Light-Parchment.gif THIS COLOR].

In short, the black type should be on a lighter background. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

:Thanks for the suggestion! I haven't made any changes yet, but I just want to let you know I am playing with it. I was trying to stick with the red-white-blue theme, as requested by others, but I'll try deviating from that theme. I though the background was light enough for the black text, but even if it is, the blue links don't work on blue. I suppose I could do a dark background and light text, too. I'll see what I can do to make it more clear. If I cant't find something I like, I'll at least make an edit to improve it soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:35, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::Is [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Greeting&oldid=1379860 this] more like what you were thinking of? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:14, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

== Image copyright ==

Considering the "Personality rights warning" tag, is there any problem in uploading this image? [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Official_portrait_of_Mr_Jacob_Rees-Mogg.jpg] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:39, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
:Also, in addition to the Corporate tyranny article (if you are still planning on it), would you please add that box-format code to the list of corporate supporters in the [[Southern Poverty Law Center]] and [[Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights]] articles? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

::It sounds to me like we can use that image. They seem to just be saying that although the images is CC licensed, Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg still has legal claim on his likeness. This is nothing new, since every photograph of a person is like this. It should be fine to go for it.
::I wasn't aware of those pages needing it, but yes, I can probably do it. Doing this takes a fair amount of time, but also I need preview frequently. Right now, I'me getting 500 errors about 60% of the time, so I can't count on it lot loosing my work. (Submitting this took 3 tries and 2 minutes) Once things stabilize, I'll give it a go. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:51, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::BTW, I learned recently that if you make an edit and the internal server error (why in the world is it happening so much now?) come on, you can just press the refresh button and your edit will still be saved. You don't need to worry about your information being lost. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:43, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point! I've noticed that sometimes works, but I've had times when it doesn't. However, some browsers hold information from past pages. I'm using [[Vivaldi (web browser)|Vivaldi]], which does this. In case of a 500 error, I can just hit back and it instantly loads back the past (edit) page with my edits. I think a number of them do this, including Firefox. I don't know if this works for you.
::::Conservative thinks its due to D/DoS attacks--I don't know if this is the case or not, but it could be. The server responds, but there seems to be some problem in the server's internal services; download requests are not handled properly. Sometimes the requests are not served at all, and other times an incomplete answer is provided. It sounds to me more like a problem with the server processing power or software. However, it could be a simple DoS/DDoS an attack. I have also noticed that certain queries available to the public on this site can take several minutes. Run 100 of those simultaneously, and it could load down the server too. Anyway, I've discontinued all my bot activity, which is about all I can do. It will clear up eventually. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:26, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::::David, in addition to the tables, would you please upload the image of Rees-Mogg for me? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:32, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

::::::There are still a lot of pending upload requests, but if you want me to do it so I will be liable, I suppose I can at some point. I'm busy putting out other fires at the moment. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:28, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

As requested, uploaded as [[:File:Official portrait of Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:45, 17 October 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:10, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

== Move request ==

I hate to have four links starting with "Breitbart" leading to the same location, but would you please move [[Breitbart.com]] to [[Breitbart News]]? That is how they refer to themselves. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:07, 20 October 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, done! Four does seem like a bit much, but this is a good suggestion. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:10, 23 October 2017 (EDT)

Hello DavidB4, I have some more requests:
*Please move [[:Category:2016 presidential election]] to [[:Category:2016 Presidential Election]], and please use your bot to change the category name in the individual articles with it
::Done, but [[Essay:Donald Trump One Two Body Blow]] is protected and could not be moved
*Please do the exact same thing with [[:Category:American war heroes]], [[:Category:Population politics]], [[:Category:United States Air Force aircraft]], [[:Category:Heads of government]], and [[:Category:Current Heads of government]].
::Done!
*Please move [[:Category:Neoconservative]] to [[:Category:Neoconservatives]], and use your bot to move the individual articles.
*Please movie [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] to the more recognizable name of [[:File:European Union flag.png]], and then please move the name on the linked articles
If There are any protected pages/files in any of the categories, I will ask Andy afterward to move them, as well as to delete the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:09, 24 November 2017 (EST)
:In addition to my above requests, do you know how to get the table at [[Conservative news websites]] to show up at the top of the article? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:57, 24 November 2017 (EST)
::It seems the table was not closed properly, so the Wiki was confused--I've fixed that. I'll move those pages soon, but this is a very busy week for me, so it may take a little time. Feel free to remind me if I don't do them in a few days. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 27 November 2017 (EST)
::Also, it appears that [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] is protected, so I cannot move it. It will need to be unlocked first, which I have requested. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:00, 27 November 2017 (EST)

:::I think that's everything, except for some [[User_talk:Aschlafly#More_delete_requests|pending unlock requests]]. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:55, 1 December 2017 (EST)
::::If you would move [[:File:Gwtgg.jpg]] and [[:File:786980.jpg]] (as well as the code on the articles they are linked on) to titles that make sense before Andy re-protects them, I would appreciate that. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::::I wanted to do just that, and said as much to Andy. However, unlike the others which he completely unlocked, he left move protection on those files, so I'm assuming that he does not want them moved. I can't, so I didn't. It's a good suggestion, though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:08, 4 December 2017 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[The Battle of Sunshine Church]] to [[Battle of Sunshine Church]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:40, 6 December 2017 (EST)

Should [[Worst Liberal Video Games]] be moved to an essay? The other "Best" and "worst" articles are essays, so it might make sense to move this. Also, this article has no categories. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:Yes, [[:Category:Video Games]] should be added to it at the very least. It was your discovery, so I'll leave the categorization to you. Moving this page to essay namespace makes sense to me--"best" and "worst" are very subjective, so I see no reason not to move this. However, since it is a higher-traffic page, I wonder if the move template should be placed on it first for a little while so people have time to comment and discuss it if they want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::It might be a good idea, though at the same time, I'm sure that most page viewers don't have editing accounts. By the way, I just saw that [[Greatest Conservative Video Games]] also exists, with the same problems as the other page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:59, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:::Fair enough--I've moved both of them. I'll leave the redirects, though, to help channel the traffic. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::::Thanks. I agree about keeping the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:36, 12 December 2017 (EST)

Please move [[:Category:Rothschild family]] so "family" is capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 31 December 2017 (EST)

:I would have assumed that "family" would not be part of the proper noun on this. Have they become so well know that it has, though? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:27, 31 December 2017 (EST)
::Either way, it's a category, so per the naming convention, "family" should be capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:22, 1 January 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. I'm not sure why I missed that this was a category when I asked that. Anyway, I did your suggested move as you've already seen, though I missed deleting the redirect. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:04, 2 January 2018 (EST)

==Thanks for the message==
To David,
Thank you for your reminder. I will add them up as soon as possible. There are some sources that are conservative but in foreign languages, I will add them as soon as possible.

:Okay, thank you! Even if in a foreign language, it would be a good idea to include them...They were your information source, so they deserve credit. Anyway, you probably know all this--I just figured I'd mention it. Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:35, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

== Dealing with Hahalongboy ==

David: I am puzzled by your note on Hahalongboy's talk page. It looks as thought you may be taunting him. I would advise against this sort of thing.

Now I now nothing about what he is actually doing, or what the "Swans" band is, other than that it's pretty obvious I would never want to hear their "noise rock" (whatever that is) music. And I do not know what the "meme" is that you are talking about. That said, it seems that either
*You find his behavior utterly unacceptable, in which case you should revert or delete it, and block him, or
*You actually want to engage with him on the subject.
I would guess that it's the latter, since you know perfectly well how to block people. If so, I found what you wrote to be a bit impolite. If you can discuss with him how he can improve his writing, please do so.

You do not strike me as an impolite person, which is why I am puzzled that you seem to be speaking in riddles

There are people here who block people with incredibly impolite comments, often along the lines of "You just proved that we [presumably the Conservapedia editor community] are right about what liberals [of which you presumably are one] do." But you are not that kind of person.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:04, 3 December 2017 (EST)

:It was not my intent to specifically taunt him/her. However, they are clearly fooling around. "Haha Long Boy" is a harmless but pretty much meaningless "meme" (see: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/long-boy) which was popular among certain millennials about a year ago. On their profile page they put the grammatical equivalent of "XD" which is supposed to represent a face with mouth open and eyes tightly closed in laughter. This user is not being overtly harmful, so I was granting them the benefit of the doubt. However, in response to their goofy (childish?) behavior, I decided to "toss it right back" to them and see what happened. I suspect this is a troll, but I don't know yet. It is my intent to not be unduely hostile, but to learn their intent at the same time.
:Thanks for the feedback, though. I didn't say more to them at the time because I was still trying to determine their intentions, and didn't want to waste time on a troll. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:18, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::Fair enough. You obviously know way more about this than I do. I'll butt out now. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:32, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::I sometimes pick up strange knowledge which actually proves useful. I've seen this kind of clowning around on another site I administrate, too. I usually don't engage them, but decided to give this one a try. As you probably saw, I did decide, following your comment, that I should leave a proper welcome. It never hurts, so thanks for nudge! Anyway, Conservative decided to nuke things, so I guess he decided there is nothing to be gained from it. 
:::Feel free to comment/interject/suggest/complain any time though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:45, 4 December 2017 (EST)

== Image licensing ==

Hello David, I want to upload [https://www.flickr.com/photos/135638414@N02/20882496641/in/album-72157655419191143/ this image], but on the right-hand side, it says "All Rights Reserved." Does this mean I cannot upload the image? Or is it a good idea to ask the Lt. Gov. office or Patrick's campaign for permission to use it? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:09, 17 December 2017 (EST)

:Hi, It could be argued that to reuse it would be permitted under the fair use exception, but I try to avoid that here in particular. On Flickr, users specifically manage licenses, so this appears to be a deliberate act to restrict reuse. To honor that wish, I try not to use them. However, Fair Use is widely interpreted different ways...some might see it as completely fine in this case. It sounds like neither of us are confident it is acceptable, so probably you'd best skip it or ask them.
:This image looks suspiciously like it could be a government-produced image--I wonder if it could be found elsewhere with more information. If the government made it, then it's in the public domain. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:20, 19 December 2017 (EST)
::Does this also apply for state government photos? I know (partially from experience) that Wikipedia frequently deletes what official state government images (found on state government websites), allegedly due to not being free to use. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:26, 19 December 2017 (EST)

:::You're right--some states do hold copyrights, while others release all right to the public. It goes state-by-state, and I couldn't find anything on Texas specifically. So asking them would probably be the best option. Thanks for pointing that out--I was oblivious of that until now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:40, 19 December 2017 (EST)

I contacted the Office of the Lieutenant Governor Friday, and I am awaiting a response. On a different topic, please delete the redirect "Great Persecution" and move the article [[Diocletian persecution]] to it. The most common names for the persecution are either "Great Persecution" or "Diocletianic Persecution", and the current name is neither of these two. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:06, 24 December 2017 (EST)

:Okay, thanks for the heads-up. I've moved the page as requested also. Have a merry Christmas! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:21, 24 December 2017 (EST)
::Merry Christmas to you too! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:46, 24 December 2017 (EST)

== Hi ==

So, I'm an editor on the English Wikipedia, and noticed you put a help message on my talk page back in April. I may want to start editing here. Is the Wikitext the same base language? And what would you reccommend I do to get started? Thank's, [[User:Adotchar|Adotchar]] ([[User talk:Adotchar|talk]]) 19:16, 18 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! We do use the same basic wiki language. We use MediaWiki, which is produced by the WikiMedia Foundation. A page on the basics is [[Help:How to edit a website like Conservapedia|here]], but if you know how to edit on WP, you should be all set for editing here. A basic summary of who we are and what we do is [[Conservapedia:Quick reference|here]], but an extensive guide is available [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages|in our manual of style]]. Lastly, here are our [[Conservapedia:Commandments|rules]] and our [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|guidelines]].
:I know that's a lot of material, but hopefully some of it will be helpful. Other than reading up on any (or all) of that, just find something which needs improvement or creation, and edit it! Cite your sources, try to keep in uniform style, and avoid a liberal point of view. We do not specifically have a NPoV rule, so a "conservative bias" is permissible when it is supported by evidence. Otherwise, the safe option is to keep it neutral. You should also have the ability to create pages by yourself, without requesting permission.
:You can discuss possible changes on talk pages, and may want to do so for larger changes, especially on larger, more popular pages. However, this is not required. For the most part, it has been my experience that others leave you alone while you edit, unless they see an obvious problem.
:If you have any questions, you can always ask me, or you can try asking everyone on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|community portal]]. I think that just about covers it, but if I missed something or if you have any other questions, I'm happy to help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:12, 19 December 2017 (EST)

== Merging ==

Hello DavidB4, I noticed that we have two categories for the [[Tea Party Movement]]: [[:Category:Tea Party Movement]] and [[:Category:Tea Party]]. Do you agree that these should be merged?

Also, I think I mentioned to you sometime earlier about possibly merging [[Republicanism]] with [[Republican form of government]]. I will look into that soon. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:44, 27 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! Those do sound like good candidates to be merged--go for it! You did mention the "Republicanism" category issue, too. I would be fine with that merge as well. Thanks for doing clean-up! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:49, 27 December 2017 (EST)

== New Essay ==

I was thinking that this site needs a new essay on how Christians display morals and values that are antithetical to mainstream culture and all of its vices. Look at this article from the Babylon Bee:

http://babylonbee.com/news/another-actress-accuses-kirk-cameron-treating-respect/

It's pretty hilarious considering all of the sex scandals that are going on in Hollywood these days. Kirk Cameron definitely stands out from mainstream Hollywood actors by being faithfully married to his wife Chelsea since 1991. If you notice, I added several Christian songs to the "Greatest Conservative Songs" that not only promote Christian values, but also are the antithesis of modern mainstream Hollywood and Liberal values. Shobson20 (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:That is a good article, and it would be great to have something written on it. If you would like to write an essay on the subject in general, go for it! It is amazing for foreign christian beliefs are to secular ones sometimes. People don't usually become Christians expecting to be come polar opposites of the norm, but through the work of God's spirit, they in many ways do. Then the world is shocked that these Christians do respect people, abut do not engage in their vices. Many of the world's problems (drunk driving, sexually transmitted diseases, selfishness leading to communist leanings, unwanted pregnancies and single parenthood, etc.) are largely eliminated by the Christian lifestyle. I would be interested in reading an essay on this general topic, if you write one!
:Just go ahead and pick a title, then create the page and write it! As long as it holds to Conservapdia's "[[Conservapedia:Commandments|commandments]]," you should be able to do pretty much whatever you want with it. (Rule #5 does not apply on essay either, though I personally prefer to let the reader make some informed decisions of their own.)
:There might also be some article on the issue of sex scandals, though the only page I could find on the subject was "[[Atheism and sexual immorality]]". This article and a related blurb might be something which could benefit such a page. It would not be opinion, but verifiable fact. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:56, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular Here is the new essay, I would like input from other Conservapedians, so anything you could do to increase the visibility of this page would be appreciated. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 10:28, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::Essays are typically edited only by the author, unless a special exception in made. Therefore, out of respect for your work, people will probably do no more that comment on the talk page. Is this what you want, or would you prefer this to be an open page, like [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Songs]]? IF it is open to anyone, you may want to specify this at the top of it, or at least on the talk page.
:::As for getting input from others, I've had limited success doing this in the past, unfortunately. However, one thing you could try is posting about it on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]] to see if anyone has input. I see that 1990'sguy has [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular&curid=148244&diff=1394532&oldid=1394529 already chipped in], too which is good! It seems he has understood your intent for this to be an open essay, as I suspect you want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Potential edit war ==

On this page: http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Greatest_Conservative_Movies MacTavish moved Home Alone 2 to the "Debatable Whether Great Section" and personally accused the movie makers of having "Hollywood Greed." I think that statement is too vindictive and accusatory, so I changed it, but he's probably going to change it back. I don't think his statement is appropriate for CP.

:I recommend either going to the essay's talk page or MacTavish's talk page and talking it out. It's the best way to solve conflicts like this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::Agreed, that's the place to discuss it, since interested people are more likely to see it. I'm happy to weigh in though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:08, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::He just removed my message from his talk page [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 01:28, 29 December 2017 (EST)

::::So I see--that does seem a little odd.
::::I don't see why it should be "debatable," but here we are debating it, so perhaps it does belong in that section. I was hoping we might be a response from him, but I guess he doesn't feel like talking. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:01, 29 December 2017 (EST)

== Greeting for new editors ==

You did a fantastic job as far as creating the updated greeting for new editors. It looks great.

Thanks for using a few of my tips regarding the color scheme. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:05, 29 December 2017 (EST)

:You're welcome, and thanks for the suggestions! It's still not perfect, but it seems pretty good to me. I'd also like to automate the entire thing, so it auto-fills username, signature, etc. but so far haven't been able to do it quite right. At least it works manually though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 30 December 2017 (EST)

== comment about my account ==

Although I have done most of my work on one particular page, that is because I only recently updated my account.

If you will check my user history, I recently updated the article for Atlanta Hawks (providing a brief history of the team's origins and many relocations) and also for the Atlanta article (updating a very old article to reflect a change in sports team status since the Atlanta Thrashers have relocated to Winnipeg, and to also mention a prior NHL franchise in Atlanta which also moved).

My plan is to ultimately moved articles that I have written on your competitor's website (one of which was flagged for "notability" solely because it involved a derivative work of a Christian novel whereas other similar articles were not, clearly showing their liberal bias) to this one (your guidelines say that I can do so if the work is mine). The article I wrote here is one, about a novel by one of the more prolific Christian fiction writers, that would be likely deleted there because of their anti-Christian bias.

[[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:13, 8 January 2018 (EST)

:I have responded to you on this page: [[Talk:The Chance (Karen Kingsbury book)]]. In short, I made a mistake (two actually) and you are more than welcome to publish this material here. For some reason I don't quite understand, we don't really used "AFD" pages anymore even though our templates link to them, so I also linked to that AFD page from the talk page. I apologize for this mix-up--let me know if there anything helpful I can do for a change. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:18, 8 January 2018 (EST)

== Image copyright (2) ==

Hello David, would you please check and see whether it is OK to upload these two photos? The licensing for these two is a bit confusing: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hitlermusso2_edit.jpg][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Benito_Mussolini_Roman_Salute.jpg] If it happens that it's OK to upload them, would you please do that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 15 January 2018 (EST)

:Familiar with seeing one or maybe tow license templates, I was chuckling by the end of the first image's page, having seen 5 of them, along with two others. What a mess! As best I can tell, they really don't know. I think one of their many templates summed it up best "This image may not have the proper copyright or licensing information, or there is a conflict of license." I can't say what they are licensed as, so I wouldn't try anything but "Fair use." You might be able to get away with "Fair Use," but since I can't even figure out where these came from, I wouldn't try. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:37, 16 January 2018 (EST)

::Honestly, I really want to upload these photos, so if there's any way to upload them, I will take that way. However, I'm short on time, so I won't deal with that for now. Maybe I'll ask Andy later.

::BTW, would you please upload these two images: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WWII,_Europe,_Germany,_%22Nazi_Hierarchy,_Hitler,_Goering,_Goebbels,_Hess%22,_The_Desperate_Years_p143_-_NARA_-_196509.jpg][https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H12148,_N%C3%BCrnberg,_Reichsparteitag.jpg] The first one wouldn't upload because it said that I did not add an image though I did. Maybe it will work with you? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:46, 16 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to those images, please move [[:Category:Homosexual activists]] in order to capitalize the "a". Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 17 January 2018 (EST)

::::I just tried all the basic upload tricks, and nothing worked. I'm not just talking about these images either--I simply can't upload anything. It looks like a bug to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:36, 17 January 2018 (EST)

:::Sorry to keep piling on requests -- I know you're probably as busy as me -- but posting them here at least help me to remember them so I can focus on content in the little time I have. I am very tempted to delete this newly-created article, as this person does not appear to be notable (only a singer from Puerto Rico, does not even have his own Wikipedia page). I would appreciate your input. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:13, 18 January 2018 (EST)

::::No apology needed! I've moved the category, as requested.
::::"Darell" is clearly a page needing attention. You can see the style issues, and the name should obviously be changes also. Those issues aside, I don't know anything about him, and can find only a little information about him elsewhere online. It doesn't seem to be a made-up topic, but almost everything about him is written in Spanish, so I can't verify accuracy. Since we don't have a specific "notability" policy, and this page does seem to be composed of original content, I probably would just improve it and leave it be. However, it could be that this is a promotion attempt, in which case it warrants deletion. I just don't know for sure, so I am hesitant to wipe it out. Please see the note on this topic in my e-mail, also. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 18 January 2018 (EST)
:::::Also, thanks for cleaning up that redirect I forgot about! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:38, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[Lazarus (Parable)]] to [[Lazarus and the Rich Man]], as it is a better title. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 21 January 2018 (EST)

:Moved as requested. I'm indecisive as to whether leaving the redirect would be beneficial or not, so since in doubt, I left it. You can delete that if you want, it's up to you. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:07, 21 January 2018 (EST)
::I think keeping the redirect is fine. BTW, would you please take care of [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:TerryH&diff=1400544&oldid=1391663 this], unless someone else does it first? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:50, 25 January 2018 (EST)
:::Also, what do you think of Grace's edits in the [[Homophobia]] article? Do you think it's good, or is the intro section too short now? I would appreciate a second opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:03, 25 January 2018 (EST)

::::I am not especially comfortable doing the merge since I know nothing about the gentleman, but if no one else does, I suppose I can try to merge them. I think the homophobia intro was much better, but needed to actually specify the intended meaning of the term. I've added a sentence explaining this, and I think it's probably fine now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:19, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Should we move the article [[Christmas and Easter Catholic]] to "Christmas and Easter Christian", or should we create a new article with that title? I would imagine that the two terms are independently notable, but I could be wrong (and the editor who brought it up was not pleased at my response). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:35, 31 January 2018 (EST)

:I don't know Catholicism very well, but these do seem similar to me. I just don't know if under their works-based salvation, there is some special obligation or rule that does not apply to Protestantism. Either way, whether a "mass" or a "service," this does seem to be a similar issue though. As for the name(s), I'm inclined to think that if there is a significant difference, this naming scheme is fine. However, it is a little odd to have one page an not the other. If we are only going to gave one, perhaps a more generic name would be appropriate. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:46, 31 January 2018 (EST)
::OK. If you think it's best that we move the article, please do so since I can't do it myself. Otherwise, we can create a new article. Either way -- it was Quidam65 who brought it up. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:09, 31 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to the email I sent you a few days ago, would you please look over the article [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]] (title, layout)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:49, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I'm no expert--if you think separating the pages them is better, that's fine with me. You probably have a better idea than I do. Anyway, I've posted on the talk page to see if anyone else has anything to say, first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I will review that page, and look back at my e-mails. I must have missed it, because I wasn't aware of anything outstanding. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Regarding [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]], the title is cumbersome, but I have no better suggestions. I did revise the section titles, and reworded a couple things. Additionally, the intro is a little shorter than I would like, while the following section is the opposite. Other than that, the only issue I noticed was that there are spaces before the references. I didn't bother fix them, though--my bot will fix those on its next sweep. Also, I found your e-mail and will be in touch. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:06, 1 February 2018 (EST)

== More requests ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move these categories to fix their cases: [[:Category:Victims of homo-fascism]], [[:Category:Economic history]]. Also, I reminded Andy to unlock the images you requested. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:19, 3 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check [[:File:Miklós Horthy.jpg]]? On [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg the original file], it states that "you must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States." Would you please make sure the file I uploaded meets that requirement? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:22, 4 February 2018 (EST)

::Andy unlocked the files required for me to do the first requests, so I will be completing those soon. As for this image, I think what you have done will keep us all out of trouble. However, a couple minor things: 
::Images in the public domain can be used any way we want, without attribution--they are public property. However, as a courtesy to our sources, and to demonstrate to others that we have the legal rights to use them, it is CP (and WP) policy to explain briefly. What you have entered is a good explanation, but I would say that the author is the U.S. Federal Government, not Cserlajos. If you want to give that person credit, you could note that Cserlajos digitized the photo, though. Lastly, we have [[Conservapedia:Manual_of_Style/Images|a list]] of templates for images which state the applicable licenses. You are not obligated to use these (very few editors here do) but they are available if you want to make things a little fancier. In this case, I would probably add the following to the top of the image page. This is entirely your choice, though. 
::<code><nowiki>{{USGovt tag</nowiki></code> 
::<code><nowiki>|source=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg}}</nowiki></code>
::I hope this helps--let me know if anything is unclear! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:14, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::I did what you recommended. Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:19, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::Looks good to me! I actually am waiting on one more unlock before I can do that last move (there is cascading protection locking it) so I will finish that later. Also, thanks for reminding Andy about the older unlock requests of mine! I'd lost track of them as well, so it might have been awhile before I remembered them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:27, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::::Done! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:20, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)

Would you please take a look at the article [[Homosexual Fascists]]? As I pointed out on the article talk page, the article throws the term "fascist" around too freely, and it labels (to the point of slander) people like Jorg Haider "fascists" (though Haider supported a more limited federal Austrian government). Is there anything to do about this? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check the page [[Arius Raposas]]? Is it genuine or appropriate to keep? The account that created it is called "Athanasius", so it's odd that they created an article about an "Arius", but about someone totally unrelated to the fourth-century heretic. Checking that page is also relevant to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Historian&curid=126238&diff=1403171&oldid=1278122 this edit].
:Also, what do you think about User:Cantante's pages? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:02, 7 February 2018 (EST)

::I'm not a historian, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of [[Homosexual Fascists]]. I do hope that communism and fascism were not confused with each other, since they ultimately manifest themselves in similar ways. I am also a little concerned about the use of a Huffington Post article as a positive reference. I wish I could help more, but I really don't know much in this area. It certainly is a favorite thing as of late for liberals to throw around the term in psychological projection.
::[[Arius Raposas]] looks like an advertising attempt. CP already shows as #1 result on several search engines for him, because the other results are apparently less reputable. You can see some more info about him on his LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arius-raposas where you can also see that he only had 59 connections. I say deleted it.
::Regarding [[User:Cantante]], I can't tell if these are good faith edits or not. It might be that s/he is writing about their favorite amateur rappers, or it could be that this is a promotion attempt. Either way, I doubt these pages are going to be of much value to CP. I just don't want to wipe them out if this is a good faith editor. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:36, 7 February 2018 (EST)

:::For the Arius Raposas article, I would say definite delete (though I won't do it until you're confident it should be deleted). At the very least, User:Cantante's articles should be trimmed and improved, though I wouldn't mind deleting them (if he complains, we can restore them). Again, I don't want to do this without you agreeing.
:::For the homosexual fascist article, '''at least''' the title should be changed. I wrote CP's article on Haider a while back, and he's not a fascist (and whether he was even a homosexual is in dispute -- he had a wife). It is true, though, that the Left hated him while he was alive. The article could be used to show left-wing hypocrisy on this matter, by showing that homosexuality was widespread even among people they didn't like (or something like that), but in its current form, it reads like a socially-conservative John McCain (though that sounds like an oxymoron) wrote the article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:13, 7 February 2018 (EST)
:::Sorry to keep posting stuff here, but in addition to the email I sent you, I would appreciate it if you would check the article [[Covenant Christian Coalition]] to see if it is plagiarized from Wikipedia or another website (it was created by yet another newly-registered editor). I recommend deleting the Arius article and asking Cantante about the other two articles, with the intention to delete or trim/improve them if he doesn't respond. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:28, 8 February 2018 (EST)

::::You don't need to apologize, though I might need too--I'm not having enough time right now to deal with each issue promptly.
::::1. Arius Raposas: I'm not convinced it should be kept, but I'm waiting to hear back from him now. My own ignorance of these foreign websites might be the problem, but when I do a web search and find only CP and a bunch of social media accounts, I am not filled with confidence. It sounds more like someone trying to build an online presence than someone notable enough to have others research them.
::::2. Homosexual fascist: I will differ to your judgment on this then. It sounds like you know some more about at least Haider, while I really know nothing at all on the subject. I trust you know what you are talking about! :)
::::3. [[Covenant Christian Coalition]]: This looks like an expanded version of [https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Covenant_Christian_Coalition.html] this page. I've asked on the talk page about original authorship.
::::4. I will reply to your email soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 8 February 2018 (EST)

Is it time to move [[Greatest conservative corporations]] and make it an essay? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:11, 14 February 2018 (EST)
:Probably. It seems no one else is particularly invested in that page anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:13, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::Would you then please move it now? I agree that we should keep the redirect. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:17, 14 February 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. For some reason, I was thinking you were going to do it. I've moved it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:21, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::::I would if I could, but I don't have move rights, as you probably remember. Thanks anyway! I will reply to your latest email soon, when I get time. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:44, 14 February 2018 (EST)

== Categories ==

Hello DavidB4, it seems that [[:Category:Unions]] and [[:Category:Labor Unions]] are duplicate categories. Is then OK if you merge them? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:37, 17 February 2018 (EST)
:I also just found that we have duplicate articles [[Right to work]] and [[Right-to-work laws]].
:Also, [[Edwin R. Thiele]] and [[Edwin Thiele]] have not been merged yet. I would appreciate it if you would at least help do this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:41, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::The first two are done--good suggestions, thanks! The last one I suppose will attempt, but I know nothing about the man, so I'm afraid I will not do the article justice. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:26, 17 February 2018 (EST)

:::Thanks. Maybe another editor is able and willing to do it. Would you please move the article [[Hilary Belloc]] per AlanE's edit summary comment in the article history? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:02, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::::Thanks for moving it. Would you please move the article [[The Forgotten Depression of 1920]] to [[Forgotten Depression of 1920]]? Also, [[Anti-Saloon league]] and [[Anti-Saloon League]] are (almost) duplicate articles which should be combined. The former link should redirect to the latter. Would you please do this? Also, while most of what I wrote in my latest email to you were just statements, I did ask you one question. I would appreciate it if you would reply even though it's not too important. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:02, 18 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Thanks for pointing out the Hilary Belloc issue--I was oblivious to the problem. I've also moved the 1920 page leaving the redirect, and replied to your email. I will work on merging this and perhaps the other article as time permits. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:43, 19 February 2018 (EST)

Thank you, I will! [[User:Willow Smith|Willow Smith]] ([[User talk:Willow Smith|talk]]) 11:42, 21 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Conspiricy No. 5" ==

The actual name of the Third Day album is "Conspiracy No. 5". The original author simply misspelled it. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 11:13, 23 February 2018 (EST)

:Good catch! I've fixed it, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:52, 23 February 2018 (EST)

== Request to merge pages ==

There are two pages with virtually identical headings and all with the same text (likely someone didn't know how to do a redirect page).

The pages are "Committee for Public Education & Religious Liberty v. Nyquist" and "Committee for Public Education and Religious Liberty v. Nyquist".

Request that one be made the main page and the other a redirect, to make Conservapedia better for all. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 14:25, 24 February 2018 (EST)

PS--Thanks for the fix on Conspiracy No. 5.

:Another good observation. I've redirected the latter to the former. Thanks for pointing this out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:02, 24 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Castings Crowns(album)" ==

Again, another inadvertent misspelling (and grammatical error) by a well-meaning Conservapedian. The correct title is "Casting Crowns (album)". [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 21:20, 27 February 2018 (EST)

:Thank you! I've fixed it, though there is no redirect so the old name will not work anymore. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:14, 27 February 2018 (EST)

== Response to inquiry on redirect pages ==

In response to your inquiry, most of those "articles" are barely one sentence. That may be suitable for a dictionary but not for an encyclopedia. Furthermore, most of those "articles" did little more than discuss a subcomponent of the larger topic, such as your concerns about the various "bankruptcy" titled ones.

What I did, which I believe makes Conservapedia a much better site, is to consolidate all those smaller articles into one, more comprehensive one, which contains all pertinent information related to a topic. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:12, 2 March 2018 (EST)

:That makes sense I suppose, and we do discourage "stub" articles. However, it is also generally frowned upon to replace articles with redirects. This should be done with caution, if at all, and all material must be saved. I will look more into it, but please do be careful about this. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:57, 5 March 2018 (EST)

== Yet another merger candidate ==

There are two similarly named articles. One is titled "Internet Crime" (note the capitalization) and contains a significant amount of information. The other is titled "Internet crime" and has virtually nothing in it (the history only shows two changes, one to create it in 2009 and the other to lock it almost immediately thereafter). My suggestion is to unlock the empty article (which you admins can do) and turn it into a redirect page. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:09, 9 March 2018 (EST)

:What I'm seeing is a redirect under the name [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crime&redirect=no Internet crime] which points to [[Internet Crime]]. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crimes&redirect=no Internet crimes] is an identical redirect, also. Am I missing something? I don't see a protect page. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:42, 10 March 2018 (EST)

== The Internet crime mystery--solved (?) ==

OK I figured out what is happening. It is a category titled "Internet crime" which is locked and has no pages showing it as a category. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 10:16, 10 March 2018 (EST)

== Thanks for the server update ==

It is greatly appreciated. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 18:04, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

==Hacker keeps removing [[Andy Clay Harris]]==
I have returned it three times to the board. The hacker uses the name MatthewLClark.
Please block him. This is the text he keeps removing:
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| birth_date=September 1, 1961
| birth_place=Resident of 
[[Bossier City]], [[Louisiana]]
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| party=[[Republican Party|Republican]]
| religion=Assembly of God [[clergy]]man
| spouse=Sheryl Lynn Harris 
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'''Andy Clay Harris''' (born September 1, 1961)<ref name=mylife.com>{{cite web|url=https://www.mylife.com/andrew-harris/harris3768r|title=Andy Harris (Clay)|publisher=Mylife.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> is an Assemblies of God pastor from [[Bossier City]] in northwestern [[Louisiana]], whose former congregation, The Church of the Cross, erected in 2009 a 199-foot [[Christian]] cross on the grounds of its sanctuary in Haughton. The silver cross is seen from various points about U.S. Highway 80.

The son of a Bossier City builder-father and teacher-mother, Harris graduated from Bossier High School in 1979. He studied at the Southwestern Assemblies of God University<ref name=intelius>{{cite web|url=https://www.intelius.com/people-search/Andy-C-Harris/Bossier%20city-LA|title=Andy Harris: Bossier City, LA|publisher=Intelius.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> in Waxahachie, [[Texas]], the alma mater of the famous pastor [[John C. Hagee]] of [[San Antonio]], Texas. For a time, he was on the staff of ''The Gurdon Times'' in Arkadelphia, [[Arkansas]]. He also lived for a time, dates unavailable but prior to 1996, in [[Carson City]], [[Nevada]]; Miami, [[Oklahoma]], and Sarepta in Webster Parish, Louisiana.<ref name=intelius/> Harris completed an internship at his home congregation, the Broadmoor Assembly of God in [[Shreveport]] and was ordained into the ministry in 1985.<ref name=arrest>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/crime/2018/03/09/benton-man-arrested-possession-meth/410682002/|title=Bossier Parish pastor arrested for possession of meth|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|author=Nick Wooten|date=March 9, 2018|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref>

On March 7, 2018, Harris was arrested at his home for possession of [[methamphetamine]]s and drug paraphernalia and booked in the Bossier Maximum Security Facility, at which he posted a $5,000 bail. He accepted the pastorate of The Church of the Cross in 1996 and resigned after more than twenty-one years amid the arrest.<ref name=arrest/> He reportedly earned between $100,000 and $150,000.<ref name=mylife.com/> Police said that Harris was questioned on another unrelated, undisclosed matter when Harris revealed the drugs he had. Police found 3.5 grams of meth, a smoking device, and a snorting straw.<ref name=arrest/>

A [[Republican Party|Republican]],<ref name=mylife.com/> Harris was pictured in ''The Shreveport Times'' with current state Senator [[Ryan Gatti]] of Bossier City and Louisiana Lieutenant Governor Billy Nungesser.<ref name=arrest/>

On the Sunday after his resignation as pastor, a letter from Harris was read to the congregation. He described his time at The Church of the Cross as one of "faith and victory" and long-term friendships with members who were "[[Salvation|saved]], healed, and filled by the [[Holy Spirit]]. We have loved and felt love by you all."<ref name=pastor>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/2018/03/12/arrested-pastor-former-congregation-forgive-me/416277002/
|title=Arrested pastor to former congregation: forgive me|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|date=March 12, 2018|author=Nick Wooten|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> Harris described his recent years in the ministry as like being in "a pressure cooker" with betrayals, sickness, and family issues. Harris continued, "A few months ago in a time of weakness I attempted to ease the pain in the way. I have [[sin]]ned, and I have [[God|the Lord]] to forgive me. I have asked my family to forgive me. And I am asking you all -- all of you-- to forgive me. ... Pray all the good the Lord has done through us will outshine the bad [[Satan|the devil]] has done to us."<ref name=pastor/>

Doyle Dempsey, the secretary-treasurer of The Church of the Cross, described his broken heartedness, "Although we do not condone his behavior in this matter, we are all eternally grateful to Pastor Harris for his years of dedicated service to this church body. ... We are all just mortal men. One decision away from sudden destruction."<ref name=pastor/>

In the wake of Harris' departure, the pastoral staff will rotate the ministerial duties pending the call of a new pastor.<ref name=pastor/>
</nowiki>''

David, someone else appears to have corrected the problem and identified the hacker. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 21:30, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

:I'm glad it was taken care if quickly! That actually wasn't even hacking. They just created a user account and deleted the page contents. Do feel free to let me know if this happens again, but don't worry--it's easy to fix. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:22, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

== Great work on block and reverts ==
Thanks for the quick work on blocking and reverting the vandal!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 20:56, 17 March 2018 (EDT)
:Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:25, 17 March 2018 (EDT)

== Need to update article title ==

The article title for Wally Amos Criswell needs to be changed.

First, the proper spelling of his first name was Wallie. Second, he was always better known by his initials, W.A. Therefore, I suggest that the title be changed to W.A. Criswell. [[User:Bcarlin|Bcarlin]] ([[User talk:Bcarlin|talk]]) 23:05, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

Truett Cathy

2018-03-22T03:01:25Z

Bcarlin: add category (Southern Baptists)

'''Truett Cathy''' (born Samuel Truett Cathy) was the founder and owner of [[Chick-fil-A]]. He was a devout Christian (having taught Sunday School in his church for decades, and requiring that all Chick-fil-A stores close on Sundays) and [[American Hero]].

{{DEFAULTSORT:Cathy, Truett}}

[[Category:Christians]]
[[Category:Business People]]
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George W. Truett

2018-03-22T03:00:16Z

Bcarlin: update category to Southern Baptist

{{Infobox person
|name=George Washington Truett
|image=
|birth_date=May 6, 1867
|birth_place=Hayesville, Clay County 
[[North Carolina]]
|death_date=July 7, 1944 (aged 77)
|death_place=[[Dallas]], [[Texas]]
|religion=[[Southern Baptist]] [[clergy]]man 
Pastor, First Baptist Church of Dallas, 1897 to 1944 
President of Southern Baptist Convention, 1927 to 1929 
President of Baptist world Alliance, 1934-1939
|spouse=Josephine Jenkins "Jo" Truett (married 1894-1944, his death) 
Three daughters
|party=
}}

'''George Washington Truett''' (May 6, 1867 – July 7, 1944) was a [[Southern Baptist]] [[clergy]]man who was the [[pastor]] from 1897 until his death of the large First Baptist Church of [[Dallas]], [[Texas]]. He headed the [[Southern Baptist Convention]] from 1927 to 1929 and the Baptist World Alliance from 1934 to 1939.

==Background==
The seventh child of Charles Levi Truett (1830-1925) and the former Mary Rebecca Kimsey (1830-1911), Truett was born on a farm in Hayesville in Clay County in the Blue Ridge Mountains of western [[North Carolina]]. His grandfather and great-uncle were pastors, and one of his older brothers was named for the famous evangelist [[Charles Spurgeon]].<ref name=findagrave/> Truett graduated in 1885 from Hayesville Academy and taught school just over the state line in Towns County, [[Georgia]].<ref name=papers/> in 1886, at the age of nineteen, he underwent a conversion experience at a Christian revival meeting. He founded a subscription school at Hiawassee, also in Towns County,<ref name=handbook/> and planned to use some of his earnings to attend law school. However, he left his teaching position after two years in 1889 to relocate with his parents to Whitewright in Grayson County in north Texas. There he attended Grayson Junior College in Denison and was ordained to the ministry in 1890 at the Whitewright Baptist Church. Thereafter, he delivered his first sermon at the First Baptist Church in Sherman, Texas.<ref name=papers>{{cite web|url=https://baylorarchives.cuadra.com/cgi-bin/starfetch.exe?6Lq10ylvD@QQyDDq@2PL8cTY7urW2LPjwIqgTn.B6l6rJPhRXOZt3YPvmHrUyyXjoUZDXljLVdHzD2fLTqCk.rjCeX3F2Ut1FiS5Uj0BFP4/0001ar.xml|title=George Washington Truett Papers|publisher=Baylorarchives.cuadra.com|accessdate=March 20, 2018}}</ref>

In 1891, Truett at twenty-four became the financial secretary for Baptist-affiliated [[Baylor University]] in [[Waco, Texas|Waco]], Texas, at which he raised $92,000, enough money to retire the university's debts at that time. He enrolled in 1893 as a freshman at Baylor, graduated in 1897, and was a student-pastor of the East Waco Baptist Church.<ref name=handbook/> He was a Baylor trustee from 1934 to 1939 and a fundraiser for Baylor Hospital in Dallas.<ref name=findagrave/>

==Career==
During his forty-seven years at First Baptist Dallas, membership ballooned from 715 to nearly 8,000, with total contributions exceeding $6 million. Three times growth required that the church be rebuilt.<ref name=papers/> The church for a time was the largest in the world.<ref name=handbook/>

During [[World War I]], [[U.S. President]] [[Woodrow Wilson]] dispatched Truett and nineteen other pastors to preach for six months to the Allied forces fighting the Central Powers.<ref name=papers/> Before Wilson's assignment, Truett had preached during the war at the noon hour at the Palace Theater in downtown Dallas for the convenience of workers, many of whom attended his sermons regardless of denomination.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.ncpedia.org/biography/truett-george-washington|title=Truett, George Washington|publisher=Ncpedia.org|date=1996|author=Henry S. Strope|accessdate=March 20, 2018}}</ref> For thirty-seven years, Truett preached for a month each summer to cowboys working the [[cattle]] drives in the Davis Mountains of West Texas.<ref name=handbook>{{cite web|url=https://tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/ftr16|title=Truett, George Washington|publisher=''The Handbook of Texas'' online|accessdate=March 20, 2018}}</ref>

On May 16, 1920, Truett delivered a sermon which received national attention, "Baptists and Religious Liberty". He spoke on the [[U.S. Capitol]] steps in [[Washington, D.C.]], where presidents have been inaugurated and foreign dignitaries feted. He explained how the nation was established on the principles of religious freedom and separation of church and state. Some referred to the address as advancing "Baptist democracy."<ref>{{cite book|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=uCbL2_ZDU60C&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=george+truett+southern+baptist+preacher+significant#v=onepage&q=george%20truett%20southern%20baptist%20preacher%20significant&f=false|title=A Baptist Democracy: Separating God and Caesar in the Land of the Free|author=Lee Canipe|date=2011|publisher=Mercer University Press|location=Macon, [[Georgia]]|page=127-128|accessdate=March 20, 2018}}</ref> Presumably had Truett lived into the 1960s, he would have been shocked that the [[United States Supreme Court]] adopted [[liberal]] ideology to strike down [[prayer]] and Bible reading in public schools on the basis of "separation of church and state," for which Truett had argued in 1920.

Truett published ten volumes of sermons, two volumes of addresses, and two volumes of [[Christmas]] messages. Sixty-one of his sermons have been published in three volumes: ''We Would See Jesus'' (1915), ''A Quest for Souls'' (1917), and ''God's Call to America'' (1923). The three volumes have been consolidated into a single work, ''Follow Thou Me'' (1932). Truett considered the ministry the best way to "help human life to realize its true destiny". He believed that no earthly task was greater than that of the minister.<ref name=handbook/>

==Legacy==

In 1894, Truett wed the former Josephine "Jo" Jenkins (1872-1956), whom he met as a Baylor student. The couple had three daughters,<ref name=papers/> one of whom was Jessie Truett James (1897-1961), who was the wife of Powhatan Wright James (1880-1956), a Baptist clergyman who among multiple assignments was at the time of his father-in-law's death in Dallas the president of Bethel College in Hendersonville, [[Kentucky]].<ref>{{cite web|url=https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=67497281|title=Powhatan Wright James|publisher=Oldfindagrave.com|accessdate=March 20, 2018}}</ref> Mrs. Truett lived another twelve years. The Truetts and the Jameses are interred at the large Sparkman-Hillcrest Memorial Park Cemetery in Dallas.<ref name=findagrave>{{cite web|url=https://old.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Truett&GSfn=George&GSbyrel=all&GSdy=1944&GSdyrel=in&GSst=46&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=19945&df=all&
|title=Rev. George Washington Truett|publisher=Old.findagrave.com|accessdate=March 20, 2018}}</ref>

In 1939, Powhatan James published the authorized [[biography]] of his father-in-law through Macmillian. Buildings named for Truett include the Truett Memorial First Baptist Church in Hayesville, North Carolina; the George W. Truett Theological Seminary at Baylor University, Truett-McConnell University in Cleveland Georgia, and the George W. Truett Elementary School in the Dallas Independent School District. Truett eventually became a fairly popular boy's name within Southern Baptist circles; among notable people named for him was [[Truett Cathy|Samuel Truett Cathy]], the late founder of the restaurant chain [[Chick-fil-A]] and a Southern Baptist himself.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www2.baylor.edu/baylorproud/2017/05/george-w-truett-a-texas-baptist-and-baylor-legend/|title=George W. Truett: A Texas, Baptist, and Baylor legend|publisher=Baylor.edu|date=May 4, 2017|accessdate=March 20, 2018}}</ref>

In 1957, the actor Victor Jory (1902-1982) portrayed Truett in the episode "Lone Star Preacher" of the syndicated [[television]] series, ''[[Crossroads (TV series)|Crossroads]]''. Barbara Eiler (1922-2006) was cast as Jo Truett, who died eleven months before the episode aired.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0550791/|title="Lone Star Preacher", March 15, 1957|publisher=Internet Movie Data Base|accessdate=June 14, 2013}}</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

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Louie Gohmert

2018-03-22T02:57:23Z

Bcarlin: update category to Southern Baptist

{{Infobox officeholder
| name=Louie Gohmert
| image=
| office=[[U.S. Representative]] for [[Texas]]' 1st congressional district
| term_start=January 3, 2005
| predecessor=Max Sandlin
| successor=
| office2=[[Judge]] of the Texas 7th Judicial District Court for Smith County
| term_start2=1993
| term_end2=2002
| birth_name=Louis Buller Gohmert, Jr.
| birth_date=August 18, 1953
| birth_place=Pittsburg, Camp County [[Texas]]
| party=[[Republican Party|Republican]]
| religion=[[Southern Baptist]]
| spouse=Kathy Gohmert
| children=Three children
| alma_mater=[[Texas A&M University]] 
[[Baylor University]] Law School
| occupation=[[Lawyer]] [[Judge]] [[Politician]] 
[[United States Army]] Judge Advocate General's Corps (1978-1982)
| residence=Tyler, Smith County, Texas
}}
'''Louis Buller Gohmert, Jr.''', known as '''Louie Gohmert''' (born August 18, 1953), has served since January 2005 as the [[U.S. Representative]] for [[Texas]]' 1st congressional district. A former state court district judge for Smith County (1993-2002), the [[Republican Party|Republican]] Gohmert is among the most [[conservative]] members of [[Congress]].

On January 6, 2015, Gohmert failed in his bid to unseat then U.S. House Speaker [[John Boehner]] of [[Ohio]], a favorite of [[establishment]] Republicans.

An active [[Southern Baptist]], he resides in the county seat of Tyler, Texas.

In the March 6, 20187, Republican primary, Gohmert defeated two rivals with 88.3 percent of the ballots cast. In the November 6 general election, he faces for the fourth time African-American [[Democratic Party|Democrat]] Shirley J. McKellar.

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Wallie Amos Criswell

2018-03-22T02:55:30Z

Bcarlin: add info on pastorate and update category to Southern Baptists

'''Wally Amos Criswell''', generally known as '''W.A. Criswell''' (Dec.19, 1909—Jan.10, 2002) was an influential member of the [[Southern Baptist Convention]]. He was its president in the late 1960s and early 1970s. He was best known as pastor of the First Baptist Church of Dallas, at one time the largest Southern Baptist church in America.

In the 1979 U.S. presidential election he endorsed [[Ronald Reagan]]'s campaign over that of the Southern Baptist [[Jimmy Carter]].

[[Category:Southern Baptists]]
[[Category:Reagan Era]]
[[Category:Religion and Politics]]
{{DEFAULTSORT:Criswell, Wally}}

Albert Mohler

2018-03-22T02:53:01Z

Bcarlin: update category to new Southern Baptist one

[[File:Mohler.jpg|thumbnail|200px|right|Alber Mohler, Jr.]]
'''Richard Albert Mohler, Jr.''' (born October 19, 1959), is an American historical theologian. He is the ninth president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (SBTU) in Louisville, Kentucky. Mohler has been described as "one of America's most influential [[Evangelical Christians|evangelicals]]".

When he became the president of SNTU he was instrumental in moving the seminary in a more theologically conservative direction. He was also the chief architect of moving the Southern Baptists Convention in a more theologically conservative direction in the period of time after 1979.<ref>Mohler, Albert."The Southern Baptist Reformation—A First-Hand Account."</ref>

Among his other activities, Mohler has written articles for the Christian apologetics organization [[Answers in Genesis]].

== References ==
{{reflist}}

== External links ==
* [http://www.albertmohler.com/ Albert Mohler] Official Website.

[[Category:Southern Baptists]]
[[Category:Theologians]]
[[Category:Conservatives]]
[[Category:Young Earth Creationists]]

Holman Christian Standard Bible

2018-03-22T02:52:00Z

Bcarlin: add Southern Baptist category as it funded the translation

The '''Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)''', sometimes referred to simply as the '''Christian Standard Bible (CSB)''', is the most modern English translation of the [[Bible]], and the first to take advantage of computer technology.

The [[Southern Baptist Convention]] reportedly provided $10 million in funding for this new translation, to "safeguard the Scriptures from trends toward cultural pluralism, political correctness and drifting theology."<ref name="Holman">http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/04/15/special_reports/religion/22_01_354_14_04.txt</ref> Critics considered this project to be a "preemptive strike against a competitor," the "'inclusive' recasting of the [[NIV]] called Today's New International Version," which "was savaged by conservative Southern Baptists and other sticklers on this issue but endorsed by prominent [[Evangelical Christian|evangelicals]]."<ref name="Holman"/> Because of the SBC's funding and support of the translation, it is now the official Bible translation used by the SBC on its website whenever Scripture is referenced there.

The Holman Christian Standard Bible is the primary new translation of the 21st century.<ref>http://www.bible-researcher.com/csb.html</ref>

==Criticism==
While the Holman has been criticized as a modern [[conservative]] translation of the [[Southern Baptist Convention]], it has several [[liberal]] twists:

*Its translation of Matthew 9:18 describes the child about to be raised from the dead by [[Jesus]] as merely being "near death" rather than deceased. This is in disagreement with other major translations.<ref>See [[Disputed Bible Translations]].</ref>

*Its translation of Luke 16:23 replaces "hell" in the [[NIV]] translation with [[Hades]]: "And being in torment in Hades, he looked up and saw Abraham a long way off, with Lazarus at his side."

*It uses the term "miracle", which could be considered to be a slightly pejorative term for a "sign" or marvelous work by God.<ref>Mark 6:2.</ref>

Furthermore, the original translator (Arthur Farstad, general editor of the [[New King James Version]]) planned to use the same underlying text for HCSB as was used in the NKJV. However, upon his death, his replacement decided to use the same text as used by other modern translations.

In addition the HCSB omits the [[Comma Johanneum]] as well as the Ethiopian's confession of faith in Acts 8:37; not surprisingly it has earned the wrath of the [[KJV Only]] crowd.<ref>http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/hcsb.htm</ref>

== References ==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Bible Versions|*]]
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{{Bible Versions}}

Baptist Faith and Message

2018-03-22T02:49:02Z

Bcarlin: update to new category

The '''Baptist Faith and Message (BF&M)''' is the "statement of faith" of the [[Southern Baptist Convention]].

The BF&M is not a formal confession or creed, as Baptists in general do not hold to such (accepting only the Bible as their standard), and furthermore the SBC (being congregational in organization) has no authority over any individual congregation. However, adherence to it is required for SBC-sponsored missionaries and faculty members at SBC-sponsored universities.

==History==
The BF&M originated in 1925 out of the much older New Hampshire Confession of Faith. It has been amended three times: in 1963, 1998, and 2000.

The 1998 version consisted of a single change: an entire new section (Section XVIII) on The Family. The 2000 revision added, among other notable changes, a sentence in Section XV (The Christian and the Social Order) supporting the [[sanctity of life]] and disavowing all forms of sexual immorality, homosexuality being specifically named.

The 1998 and 2000 revisions were controversial among the liberal elements of the SBC (and among supporters of the liberal splinter group [[Cooperative Baptist Fellowship]]) for the following changes:
*The new section on The Family specifically held to the view of [[traditional marriage]], and furthermore the BF&M added a sentence in Section XV denouncing all forms of sexual immorality which specifically referenced [[homosexuality]].
*A sentence in Section VI (The Church) specifically limited the role of pastor to men only. (It did not limit the role of deacon to only men, however.)
*Finally, it removed the statement from Section I (The Scriptures) that Jesus Christ was the standard by which the Bible was to be interpreted, in response to liberal groups which were elevating the "red letter" words of Jesus (and, in some cases, what He specifically did not say, an example being the subject of homosexuality) over the remainder of Scripture (the traditional view of the SBC has been, and is, that ''all'' Scripture is ''equally'' inspired by God).

==Format==
The BF&M is arranged into 18 individual topics, one of which (God) is divided into three sub-sections, one for each Person of the Trinity. Each section is followed by Bible verses supporting the statement (the online version has links to the Bible text, using the SBC-published [[Holman Christian Standard Bible]] as the official version).

{|
|I.||The Scriptures
|-
|II.||God
|-
|||A. God the Father
|-
|||B. God the Son
|-
|||C. God the Holy Spirit
|-
|III.||Man
|-
|IV.||Salvation
|-
|V.||God's Purpose of Grace
|-
|VI.||The Church
|-
|VII.||Baptism and the Lord's Supper
|-
|VIII.||The Lord's Day
|-
|IX.||The Kingdom
|-
|X.||Last Things
|-
|XI.||Evangelism and Missions
|-
|XII.||Education
|-
|XIII.||Stewardship
|-
|XIV.||Cooperation
|-
|XV.||The Christian and the Social Order
|-
|XVI.||Peace and War
|-
|XVII||Religious Liberty
|-
|XVIII.||Family
|-
|}

==External Links==
[http://www.sbc.net/bfm2000/bfm2000.asp Baptist Faith and Message, 2000 edition]
[[Category:Southern Baptists]]

Evangelical Christians

2018-03-22T02:48:19Z

Bcarlin: add comments on who is in

An '''Evangelical Christian''' is a Protestant who is [[Gospel]]-centered. During the [[Reformation]] of the 16th century, "Evangelical" was a favorite term, especially as used by [[Lutherans]]. Evangelical Christians are often zealous when it comes to evangelism and evangelical Christianity has seen rapid growth in the world (see: [[Growth of evangelical Christianity]]).

The term commonly also suggests a desire to evangelize, i.e. spread the message of the Gospel and make converts to [[Christianity]]. In recent decades the term has narrowed to designate a Protestant that is not a member of a mainline, fundamentalist or Pentecostal congregation. Unlike with mainline Protestantism, where certain denominations are generally known to be such, there is little agreement as to what denominations are considered Evangelical; the only group that is generally agreed to definitely be in this category is the [[Southern Baptist Convention]].

This article focuses on the United States and Canada since 1740, when the [[First Great Awakening]] launched the Evangelical movement.<ref>Thomas S. Kidd, ''The Great Awakening: The Roots of Evangelical Christianity in Colonial America'' (2007) [http://www.amazon.com/Great-Awakening-Evangelical-Christianity-Colonial/dp/0300118872/ref=ed_oe_h excerpt and text search]; William G. McLaughlin, ''Isaac Backus and the American Pietistic Tradition'' (1967)</ref>

There is no exact definition of who is an Evangelical. Pollsters often ask, "Are you a born-again Christian?" to define the group. Sociologists look at membership in specific denominations and often include adherents of [[Holiness Movement]], [[Pentecostal]] and [[Nazarene]] churches. Some scholars focus on the Bible beliefs, together with a personal commitment to Christ.<ref>See Krapohl and Lippy (1999)</ref>

The largest Lutheran body in the USA is the [[Evangelical Lutheran Church in America]]. It should be noted though that this church and The [[Episcopal Church]], which is in communion with it, have had their Evangelical credentials questioned as a result of their recent acceptance of homosexuality. Some Evangelical Protestant critics, believing homosexual acts to be contrary to Scripture, place these churches on the edge of fringe Christianity along with Jehovah's Witnesses, The Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints (Mormons), and Seventh Day Adventists.

The Christian researcher and author George Barna defines "Evangelicals" as a subset of those who meet the basic criteria defining born again Christians, but who also meet seven other doctrinal conditions.<ref>http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/12-faithspirituality/15-christianity-is-no-longer-americans-default-faith</ref> A distinction is then enabled to be manifest in other areas of faith beliefs.<ref>[http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html#Sec4 Revealing Statistics: America in Decline; Differences among Denominations]</ref>

==Colonial America==
The [[First Great Awakening]] was a spontaneous outburst of religious enthusiasm in the American colonies, with a decisive long-term impact on setting the stage for Evangelicalism in Congregational, Baptist, Methodist and presbyterian denominations, among others. It did not add new members so much as to change the religious consciousness of church members to a greater awareness of sin and redemption, and a downplaying of ritual, liturgy and theology. The Great Awakening heavily emphasized the individual’s experience of salvation and the Holy Spirit’s work in revivals. By giving many evangelicals radical notions of the spiritual equality of all people, the revivals helped form the democratic style came to characterize the American people.<ref>Thomas S. Kidd, ''The Great Awakening: The Roots of Evangelical Christianity in Colonial America'' (2007)</ref>

==19th century==
The [[Second Great Awakening]] from 1800 to the 1830s created a dramatic growth in "evangelical" or "pietistic" denominations. They included the Methodists, Congregationalists, most Presbyterians, Christians (Church of Christ and Disciples of Christ) and Scandinavian Lutherans. They were opposed theologically by the liturgical or "high" churches, including Roman Catholics, Episcopalians, and German Lutherans.<ref>See Richard Jensen, ''The Winning of the Midwest, 1888-1896'' (1971)</ref> The evangelicals were strong supporters of moral reforms in society, using government action to promote woman's rights, the abolition of slavery, and the prohibition of liquor.

Politically, the evangelicals in the North were the core of the Republican party in the [[Third Party System]], as well as the small Prohibition party.

Evangelicals were active in missions (as were the non-evangelical Christians). Missionaries, in addition to spreading the word of God, have helped bring much needed medical and educational services to poor parts of the world, as part of their missionary activities.

The [[Third Great Awakening]] from 1850 to about 1900 saw the evangelical denominations organize themselves more thoroughly. They also began to experience splits between "modernists" and "fundamentalists" about theological principles. "Evangelical" includes [[Fundamentalists]], not as an organization but as a style of religious belief coupled with activism.

A Fundamentalist believes in actively opposing mainstream religion. Most Fundamentalists believe in [[Dispensationalism]], although [[Calvinism|Calvinist]] Evangelicals reject Dispensationalism. The largest Evangelical church is the [[Southern Baptist Convention]], which is largely Fundamentalist.

==20th century==

By the end of the 20th century there were nearly 100 million Americans who identified themselves as "Evangelical Christians," according to a [[Gallup Poll]] in 1995.

== Growth of evangelical Protestantism ==
===In Europe===
''See:'' [[Secular Europe]]

===In the United States===
While nominal Chrisitans and mainline denominations, which tend to be [[Liberal Theology|theologically liberal]] and compromised, have been in strong decline, evangelical Christianity has actually increased and become three times larger than mainline denominations based on church attendance.<ref>Stetzer, Ed (May 16, 2015). [http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/16/living/christianity-american-dead/?utm_source=Cultural+Commentary&utm_campaign=36e55c71c7-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_11_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_51f776a552-36e55c71c7-273780261&mc_cid=36e55c71c7&mc_eid=067f1df51b No, American Christianity is not dead]. ''CNN''. Retrieved Janaury 17, 2017.</ref>

==Self Image==
The self-image of evangelical Christians include:
* generally better knowledge of the Bible compared to non-evangelical Christians
* view all events recorded in the Bible as historically accurate and treat it as the infallible Word of God
* promote active participation in a local church
* high levels of charity
* support of [[homeschooling]]
* disbelief in evolution

White Evangelicals in the 21st century have been voting 75%-80% for Republican presidential candidates and are politically [[conservative]].

==See also==
*[[Anti-Saloon League]], led the dry forces to enact Prohibition
*[[Assemblies of God]]
*[[Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church]]
*[[British evangelical Christianity]]
*[[William Jennings Bryan]], politician who fought Darwinism
*[[Calvinism]]
*[[Christian Reformed Church]], Dutch Calvinists
*[[Common Sense Realism]], part of [[Princeton Theology]]
*[[Culture War]]
*[[Fundamentalism]]
*[[Revelation, Book of (historical exegesis)]]
*[[Billy Graham]], post 1945
*[[Heritage Reformed Congregations]]
*[[Charles Hodge]], leader of Princeton theology
*[[Holiness Movement]]
*[[John Gresham Machen]], Fundamentalist theologian early 20c
*[[Princeton Theology]]
*[[Protestant Reformed Church]]
*[[Reformed Churches]]
*[[William Bell Riley]], organizer of 20c Fundamentalism
*[[Second Great Awakening]], 188-1820s
*[[Southern Baptist Convention]]
*[[Billy Sunday]], early 20c
*[[Theory of Fundamentalist Antisemitism]]
*[[Third Great Awakening]], 1850-1900
* [[United Methodist Church]], highly evangelical in 19th century
*[[Westminster Presbyterian Church in the United States]]
*[[Evangelical Covenant Church]]
*[[Evangelical Apostolic Church of North America (Syro-Chaldean)]]
*[[Low church]]

==External links==
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20020613081519/http://www.alliancenet.org/pub/articles/horton.WhatEvan.html What is an Evangelical?]
*[http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2399848/Varieties-of-American-Evangelicalism-Course-Syllabus-Center-for Robert E. Brown, "Varieties of American Evangelicalism Course Syllabus" (Center for the Study of Religion and American Culture 2004), highly detailed bibliography and outline]
*[http://www.mb-soft.com/believe/text/evangeli.htm Evangelicalism]
*[http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/evangelical-protestants-are-the-biggest-winners-when-people-change-faiths/ Evangelical Protestants Are The Biggest Winners When People Change Faiths]
*[http://bertschlossberg.blogspot.com/ Real Life and Death: the interplay of Bible, Israel, America]

==Further reading==
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* Balmer, Randall. ''Encyclopedia of Evangelicalism'' (2nd ed. 2004), 655pp [http://www.questia.com/library/book/encyclopedia-of-evangelicalism-by-randall-balmer.jsp ''Encyclopedia of Evangelicalism'' online edition], by a leading historian
* Balmer, Randall. ''Blessed Assurance Cl: A History Of Evangelicalism In America'' (2000), 144pp [http://www.amazon.com/BLESSED-ASSURANCE-HISTORY-EVANGELICALISM-AMERICA/dp/0807077119/ref=sr_1_28?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242466742&sr=1-28 excerpt and text search], topical essays but not a systematic history
* Carpenter, Joel A. ''Revive Us Again: The Reawakening of American Fundamentalism'' (1999), major scholarly history of post 1925 era [http://www.amazon.com/Revive-Us-Again-Reawakening-Fundamentalism/dp/0195129075/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242033102&sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]
* Hankins, Barry. ''American evangelicals: a contemporary history of a mainstream religious movement‎'' (2008) 205 pages [http://books.google.com/books?id=TZ-bwSDb5KcC&pg=PA47&dq=%22Revive+Us+Again:+The+Reawakening+of+American+%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=30&as_brr=0&as_pt=ALLTYPES excerpt and text search]
* Kidd, Thomas S. ''The Great Awakening: The Roots of Evangelical Christianity in Colonial America'' (2007) [http://www.amazon.com/Great-Awakening-Evangelical-Christianity-Colonial/dp/0300118872/ref=ed_oe_h exxcerpt and text search]
* Krapohl, Robert H., and Charles H. Lippy. ''The Evangelicals: A Historical, Thematic, and Biographical Guide'' (1999). 338 pgs. [https://www.questia-online-library.com/read/111701129?title=Abbreviations online edition]
* Larsen, Timothy and Daniel J. Treier, eds. ''The Cambridge companion to evangelical theology‎'' (2007) 303 pages; [http://books.google.com/books?id=vlmXBe0RPxYC&pg=PA158&dq=%22Revive+Us+Again:+The+Reawakening+of+American+%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=30&as_brr=0&as_pt=ALLTYPES excerpt and text search]
* Marsden, George M. ''Fundamentalism and American Culture: The Shaping of Twenteth Century Evangelicalism, 1870-1925'' (2nd ed. 2006). standard scholarly history by leading Evangelical scholar [http://www.amazon.com/Fundamentalism-American-Culture-George-Marsden/dp/0195300475/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242033450&sr=8-1 excerpt and text search]
* Marsden, George M. ''Understanding Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism''
* Noll, Mark. ''A History of Christianity in the United States and Canada'' (1992) by leading Evangelical scholar [http://www.amazon.com/History-Christianity-United-States-Canada/dp/0802806511/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242457929&sr=1-4 excerpt and text search]
* Rawlyk, George, ed. ''Aspects of the Canadian Evangelical Experience.'' (1997). 542 pp.
* [http://www.questia.com/library/religion/christianity/protestantism/evangelicalism.jsp online books]
===Historiography===
* Burch, Maxine. ''The Evangelical Historians: The Historiography of George Marsden, Nathan Hatch, and Mark Noll.'' (1996). 130 pp.
==References==
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Mainline Protestant churches

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'''Mainline''' Protestant churches in America include the [[United Methodist Church]], the [[Evangelical Lutheran Church in America]], The [[Episcopal Church]], the [[Presbyterian Church (USA)]], the [[United Church of Christ]], the [[Disciples of Christ]], the [[American Baptist Churches USA|American Baptist Churches]], and some smaller churches. Notably, the largest American Protestant denomination, the [[Southern Baptist Convention]], is not counted within this group due to its conservative theology (though according to some sources such as the liberal Pew Research, two of its most recent splinter groups -- the openly-liberal [[Alliance of Baptists]] and the so-called "moderate" [[Cooperative Baptist Fellowship]] -- are counted as mainline; the SBC itself is considered [[Evangelical]]).

They grew rapidly during the [[Great Awakening]] from the 1740s to the 1940s.

Down to the 1950s they dominated religion in America, but they have been shrinking in membership and are now down to about 26 million; They are now outnumbered by Catholics and [[Evangelical Christians]].

Theologically they were generally evangelical in the 19th century, liberal or modernist in the early 20th century, and now generally favor [[Neo-orthodoxy]]. Theology is not a central concern, and they rarely engage in heresy trials. However all have been deeply divided in recent years by such issues as homosexuality.

The Mainline churches founded many colleges, universities and divinity schools. They were leaders in many reform movements, ranging from anti-slavery to temperance to the [[Social Gospel]] and [[Civil Rights Movement]]. They are organizers and dominate the [[National Council of Churches]].
==Further reading==
* Ahlstrom, Sydney E. ''A Religious History of the American People'' (1976; 2004) [http://www.amazon.com/Religious-History-American-People/dp/0300100124/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243520377&sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]; see [[A Religious History of the American People]]
* Balmer, Randall. ''Grant Us Courage: Travels along the Mainline of American Protestantism'' (1996) [http://www.questia.com/read/106364823?title=Grant%20Us%20Courage%3a%20%20Travels%20along%20the%20Mainline%20of%20American%20Protestantism online edition]
* Balmer, Randall, and Fitzmier, John R. ''The Presbyterians'' (1993). 274 pp. excellent survey by scholars
* Billingsley, K. L. ''From Mainline to Sideline: The Social Witness of the National Council of Churches'' (1991)
* Coalter, Milton J.; Mulder, John M.; and Weeks, Louis B., eds. ''The Mainstream Protestant "Decline": The Presbyterian Pattern.'' (1990). 263pp.
* Dorrien, Gary. ''The Making of American Liberal Theology: Imagining Progressive Religion, 1805–1900'' (2001); ''The Making of American Liberal Theology: Idealism, Realism, and Modernity, 1900–1950'' (2003);''The Making of American Liberal Theology: Crisis, Irony, and Postmodernity, 1950–2005'' (2006), the standard history of mainline theology
* Hutchison, William R. ed. ''Between the Times: The Travail of the Protestant Establishment in America, 1900-1960'' (1990) [http://books.google.com/books?id=wMH7PRqQDGkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22neo+orthodoxy%22+barth+OR+niebuhr&lr=&num=30&as_brr=3&as_pt=ALLTYPES&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0 excerpt and text search]
** Marty, Martin E. "The Establishment That Was," ''Christian Century'' [http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=906 November 15, 1989, p. 1045. online]
* Marty, Martin E. ''Modern American Religion, Volume 1: The Irony of It All, 1893-1919'' (1997) [http://www.amazon.com/Modern-American-Religion-Irony-1893-1919/dp/0226508943/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260105143&sr=1-1 excerpt and text search]; ''Modern American Religion, Volume 2: The Noise of Conflict, 1919-1941'' (1997) [http://www.amazon.com/Modern-American-Religion-Conflict-1919-1941/dp/0226508978/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260105143&sr=1-2 excerpt and text search]; ''Modern American Religion, Volume 3: Under God, Indivisible, 1941-1960'' (1999), [http://www.amazon.com/Modern-American-Religion-Indivisible-1941-1960/dp/0226508994/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260105143&sr=1-3 excerpt and text search];the best historical overview
* Roof, Wade Clark, and William McKinney. '' American Mainline Religion: Its Changing Shape and Future'' (1990) [http://www.amazon.com/American-Mainline-Religion-Changing-Future/dp/0813512166/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243520093&sr=1-6 excerpt and text search]
* Tipton, Steven M. ''Public Pulpits: Methodists and Mainline Churches in the Moral Argument of Public Life'' (2008) [http://www.amazon.com/Public-Pulpits-Methodists-Mainline-Churches/dp/0226804747/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243520489&sr=8-1 excerpt and text search]
* Wuthnow, Robert, and John H. Evans, eds. ''The Quiet Hand of God: Faith-Based Activism and the Public Role of Mainline Protestantism,'' (2002), 430 pp.; essays by scholars

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Nashville, Tennessee

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'''Nashville''' is the capital city of [[Tennessee]]. Nashville is the second largest city in Tennessee by population ([[Memphis]] being the first). Nashville was originally founded as Fort Nashborough named after [[Francis Nash]], a general killed in the [[Revolutionary War]].

It is known worldwide as "Music City" for being the home base of the [[country music]] and [[Contemporary Christian Music]] genres as well as the Grand Ole Opry.

It is also the home to several Christian denominations, among them the [[Southern Baptist Convention]] (the largest US Protestant denomination), the [[United Methodist Church]] (the second largest US denomination and the largest of the [[mainline Protestant churches]]), the National Baptist Convention USA (the largest African-American Christian denomination), and the National Association of Free Will Baptists (the largest denomination among the [[Free Will Baptist]] groups).

==Notable Residents==

Teen star [[Miley Cyrus]] was born in Nashville and lived there until her move to Hollywood.

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J. D. Grey

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{{Infobox person
|name=James David "J. D." Grey 
(Pastor, First Baptist Church of New Orleans, 1937-1972)
|image=James David Grey.JPG
|image_caption=Grey early in his ministerial career
|birth_date=December 18, 1906
|birth_place=Princeton, Caldwell County, [[Kentucky]]
|death_date=July 26, 1985
|death_place=[[New Orleans]], [[Louisiana]]
|spouse=Lilliam Tooke Grey (married 1927-1985, his death)
|religion=[[Southern Baptist]]
|party=[[Democratic Party|Democrat]]
}}

'''J. D. Grey''', sometimes known as '''James David Grey''' (December 18, 1906 – July 26, 1985), a major figure in the [[Southern Baptist Convention]], was from 1937 to 1972 the pastor of the First [[Baptist]] Church of [[New Orleans]], [[Louisiana]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.fbno.org/about-fbno/our-history/|title=First Baptist New Orleans: Our History|publisher=fbno.org|accessdate=July 5, 2012}}</ref>

==Background==

A native of Princeton in Caldwell County in western [[Kentucky]], Grey was reared in Paducah, a city in McCracken County, also in western Kentucky at the confluence of the [[Tennessee River|Tennessee]] and [[Ohio River|Ohio]] rivers. In 1925, Grey received his diploma from Tilghman High School in Paducah. That same year, he was ordained to preach by the Immanuel Baptist Church in Paducah. In 1959, years after he had left Paducah, the city mayor named him an honorary "Duke of Paducah". In 1929, he graduated from [[Union University]] in Jackson, Tennessee. In 1932, he received the Master of Theology degree from [[Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary]] in [[Fort Worth]], [[Texas]].<ref name=bio>James Cole and Robert L. Lee, ''Saint J. D.'' (Waco, Texas: Word Publishers, 1969), p. 159-163</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.nytimes.com/1985/07/29/us/the-rev-j-d-grey.html|title=Rev. J. D. Grey|publisher=''[[The New York Times]]'', July 29, 1985|accessdate=July 5, 2012}}</ref>

While he attended Southwestern Seminary, Grey was the pastor from 1929 to 1931 of the Vickery Baptist Church in [[Dallas]], [[Texas]], from 1931 to 1934, he was the pastor of Tabernacle Baptist Church in Ennis in Ellis County, south of Dallas. Both of those congregations are still active.<ref name=bio/>

==Ministry==

In 1934, Grey accepted the pastorate of the First Baptist Church of Denton, Texas, but left, effective May 31, 1937, for his final pastorate at the First Baptist Church in New Orleans, which extended for thirty-five years until his retirement on December 31, 1972.<ref name=bio/> During that time, the congregation nearly tripled and annual contributions increased from $26,000 to more than $650,000.<ref name=obit>{{cite web|url=http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1985-07-29/news/8502190795_1_southwestern-baptist-theological-seminary-southern-baptist-convention-graduate-of-union-university|title=Rev. J. D. Grey, 77|publisher=''[[Chicago Tribune]]''|accessdate=July 5, 2012}}</ref>

From 1949 to 1950, Grey was the president of the Louisiana Baptist Convention, the headquarters of which are based in [[Alexandria, Louisiana|Alexandria]] in central Louisiana. Grey was also a board member of Baptist-affiliated Louisiana College in [[Pineville, Louisiana|Pineville]], which in 1952 awarded him an honorary doctorate.<ref name=sbhla/> In 1952 and 1953, he was elected the president of the Southern Baptist Convention, based in [[Nashville]], Tennessee. At forty-four, he was the youngest person ever elected to the SBC presidency. From 1950 to 1970, he was a member of the Baptist World Alliance. In 1954, he was the chairman of [[Billy Graham]]'s four-week Evangelistic Crusade at Pelican Stadium. In 1957, he was the president of the Greater New Orleans Federation of Churches.<ref name=bio/>

==Relations with politicians==

In 1957, Grey was asked to nominate for the Southern Baptist Convention presidency Brooks Hays, a [[liberal]] U.S. representative from [[Little Rock]], [[Arkansas]], who subsequently lost a [[Democratic Party|Democratic]] gubernatorial primary election in 1966. At the time Hays was the chairman of the Christian Life Commission, a liberal group advocating peaceful relations among the races within the Christian community. Grey declined to make the nomination on the grounds that he should not use his influence as a two-term past president of the convention to promote a particular candidate. Nevertheless, Hays was elected as the convention president for a single term that year.<ref>{{cite book|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=9yHdwD5LbEUC&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=Brooks+Hays+and+J.+D.+Grey&source=bl&ots=sIVBqhmuUD&sig=ckk7FlYDLOXolGYLD0pZpW5k888&hl=en&sa=X&ei=8Tz6T8DmNeWC2wXgqrz_Bg&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Brooks%20Hays%20and%20J.%20D.%20Grey&f=false|title=James Thomas Baker, Brooks Hays, pp. 114-115|publisher=Macon, [[Georgia]]: Mercer University Press, (1989)|accessdate=July 9, 2012}}</ref>

Among the politicians who admired Grey was the colorful and controversial Louisiana Governor [[Earl Long]], who retorted, "Everybody's bragging about this Billy Graham. Hell! He can't preach nothing [sic] like J. D. Grey. I had rather hear him preach than any [other] man I've ever heard."<ref>Cole and Lee, ''Saint J. D.'', p. 127.</ref>

In 1963-1964, Grey became involved in the Louisiana Democratic gubernatorial election on behalf of an erstwhile rival of Long's, the former New Orleans Mayor DeLesseps Story Morrison, who had resigned as United States Ambassador to the [[Organization of American States]] under [[U.S. President]] [[John F. Kennedy]], to make his third unsuccessful bid for the state's highest office. At the time, Morrison, a [[Roman Catholic]], faced a Democratic runoff election with [[John J. McKeithen]], a [[Methodist]] from Columbia in north Louisiana and a member of the Louisiana Public Service Commission. In a newspaper advertisement, Grey wrote:

<blockquote>
You made us a marvelous mayor. I moved to New Orleans in 1937 and know what the city was before you took office [in 1946]. You gave New Orleans its start toward the great, progressive, industrial world city we have today. I saw you restore City Hall to a place of dignity, integrity, and respect. You gave your active support to every worthy move to improve the civic, business, social, cultural, and spiritual life of an entire community.<ref>''Minden Herald'', January 2, 1964, p. 6</ref></blockquote>

Grey's biographers note that "on occasion, J. D. raked his friend [Morrison] over the coals in matter political and controversial. His influence was effective on many issues. By the same token, the mayor could respond to J. D. as a friend when he offered ... the keys to the city to a young Billy Graham in his first crusade..." in New Orleans.<ref>Cole and Lee, ''St. J. D.'', p. 127</ref>

In 1968 and 1969, Grey was the president and board member of the New Orleans Metropolitan Crime Commission under Morrison's successor, Democratic Mayor Victor Schiro.<ref name=bio/>

==Community activities==

Grey was a founding member in 1942 and thereafter the president in 1956 of the conservative interest group, the Louisiana Moral and Civic Foundation. He was a member of the committee which coordinated the 250th anniversary celebration of the founding of New Orleans held in 1968. He was a board member of the "good government" group known as the Council for a Better Louisiana and the children's advocacy group, Big Brothers of New Orleans.<ref name=jdg>{{cite web|url=http://genforum.genealogy.com/tx/denton/messages/508.html|title=Rev. J. D. Grey|publisher=genforum.genealogy.com|accessdate=July 4, 2012}}</ref> He was also a life member of the advisory board of the [[Salvation Army]] in New Orleans, vice-chairman of the Louisiana State Board of Corrections, and a board member of the Association for Retarded Children, the [[American Red Cross]], and the [[Boy Scouts of America]]. He was active for three decades in Kiwanis International.<ref name=bio/> In 1984, long after he had retired as a pastor, Grey was an advisor for the New Orleans World's Fair Crusade held at the Rivergate.<ref name=jdg/>

For his community service, Grey in 1971 received the "Loving Cup" from the ''New Orleans Times-Picayune''. In 1969, the unconventional biography entitled '''''St. J. D.''''' was written by Robert L. Lee, then the executive-secretary of the Louisiana Baptist Convention, and James F. Cole, then the editor of the state newspaper, ''The Baptist Message''. Grey was listed in ''Who's Who in America.'', ''Who's Who in the South and Southwest'', ''Who's Who in Religion'' and ''Outstanding Civic Leaders of America''.<ref name=bio/> In 1972, Grey penned ''Epitaphs for Eager Preachers''.<ref>{{cite book|url=http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?qwork=2092206|title=''Epitaphs for Eager Preachers''|publisher=Broadman Press|accessdate=July 5, 2012}}</ref>

==Family and death==

Grey and his wife, the former Lillian Tooke, whom he married in 1927, had twin daughters born in 1941, Martha Ann Cantrell and her husband, Richard, and Mary Beth Burg and husband, Jules L. Burg, Jr. (1923-2011).<ref>{{cite web|url=http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Jules-Burg&lc=7863&pid=153502123&mid=4803597|title=Jules L. Burg, Jr., September 2, 2011|publisher=obits.dignitymemorial.com|accessdate=July 3, 2012}}</ref> There are three Grey grandsons, Bryant Curtis Cantrell, Patrick Grey Cantrell, and Joe David Burg.<ref name=bio/>

Grey died at the age of seventy-eight of a lengthy illness in Baptist Hospital in New Orleans.<ref name=obit/> He is interred in Metairie in Jefferson Parish, across the [[Mississippi River]] from New Orleans.<ref name=jdg/><ref>The cemetery in Metairie where Grey is interred is unidentified.</ref>

The New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary honors Grey with its J. D. Grey Chair of Preaching and its annual J. D. Grey Preaching Award. In 2011, the recipient of both designations was Dennis Phelps of Elizabethtown, Kentucky.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.nobts.edu/publications/News/PhelpsAward10.html|title=Phelps receives annual J. D. Grey Preaching Award|publisher=nobts.edu|accessdate=July 4, 2012}}</ref>

Grey's papers are housed at the Southern Baptist Historical Library and Archives in Nashville, Tennessee.<ref name=sbhla>{{cite web|url=http://www.sbhla.org/downloads/608.pdf|title=J. D. Grey Papers|publisher=sbhla.org|accessdate=July 5, 2012}}</ref>

G. Earl Guinn (1912-2004), the president of Louisiana College from 1951 to 1975, said of his friend: "I feel toward J. D. Grey about like [[Winston Churchill]] felt toward his friend, the first F. E. Smith, 1st Earl of Birkenhead. ... I would rather have J. D. Grey at my side, cataracts, arthritis, and all, than 99 percent of the people in all of the world."<ref>Cole and Lee, ''St. J. D.'', p. 41.</ref>

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Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission

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The '''Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the [[Southern Baptist Convention]]''' (often referred to simply as '''Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission''' or '''ERLC''') is the public policy arm of the SBC, the nation's largest Protestant denomination.

The ERLC was founded in 1988 as the '''Christian Life Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention''', at a time when the SBC (in the midst of its Conservative Resurgence) began reducing its involvement in the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty over conflicts on [[separation of church and state]] <ref>The SBC officially holds to the belief in such separation, as officially outlined in its statement of faith, the [[Baptist Faith and Message]]; however, it does not hold to the view of such held by political and theological liberals that such separation is an absolute bar from religious entities speaking out or being involved on matters of public concern affecting religious viewpoints.</ref>; ultimately in 1990 the SBC formally withdrew from the BJC.

The ERLC operates a think tank providing research on political matters involving religious affairs, conducts voter registration drives, and files [[amicus brief]]s (usually jointly with other like-minded groups on a specific issue) before the courts. Notably one of its major projects the Psalm 139 Project, which donates [[sonogram]] machines to [[crisis pregnancy center]]s.

==References==
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==External Links==
[http://www.erlc.org Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission]

[[Category:Southern Baptists]]
[[Category:Conservative Organizations]]

Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission

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User talk:1990'sguy

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Bcarlin: new comment

{{welcome}}

Thanks for adding your edits, hopefully you'll become a regular contributor. If I can help you out with anything let me know. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 19:45, 27 July 2016 (EDT)

:Thank you! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:49, 27 July 2016 (EDT)

Account promoted to skip the Captcha requirement. Thanks for your enlightening edits to [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia]].

Congratulations!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 19:37, 28 July 2016 (EDT)

:Thank you! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:45, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
::Congratulations and welcome. You should be aware that people who edit at both CP and WP with the same user name are sometimes harrassed at WP as a result. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 00:11, 29 July 2016 (EDT)
:::Thank you for the welcome and thanks for the heads up! I've already received some heat on Wikipedia for taking some unpopular positions and opposing the bias there, so it will be nothing new for me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:36, 29 July 2016 (EDT)

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I saw your helpful addition to the article on Murder of Seth Rich, so I thought I would visit your talk page. How long have you lasted on the WickedPedia? I would be surprised that you would last long there, as I have found the WickedPedia incredibly intolerant and censorious, a pseudo-aristocracy with dominating bullies, biased enough for me to consider it a candidate for the Big T award (T in the Calvinist TULIP); i.e, total depravity! LOL I don't think you can do much on Wikipedia without being part of a group of old boys or buddies who work together. ([[User:Thunkful2|Thunkful2]] ([[User talk:Thunkful2|talk]]) 19:26, 23 August 2016 (EDT))

:Did you mean my Wikipedia talk page? I have been editing Wikipedia for almost three years already. A big reason why I've lasted so long there is because many of the topics I edit are not particularly controversial. However, you are completely right in your description of Wikipedia. I have seen firsthand the massive (and very visible) intolerance and bias Wikipedia has against conservatives, Christians, and anything that contradicts secular and humanistic (pseudo)"scientific knowledge". I could probably write a book about all my criticisms of Wikipedia. I have been able to do some good work (I was able to bring the article "Electoral history of Ronald Reagan" to official "Good Article" status, and I created a few articles), but on other articles, like the Murder of Seth Rich, we cannot have much confidence on the quality and neutrality of those articles. I do applaud you, Thunkful2, for your excellent work on "Murder of Seth Rich". It's awesome that at least one person can accurately present this story! :) --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:35, 23 August 2016 (EDT)

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I meant right here, this talk page -- I visited it after seeing your good edit. No, I haven't gone to your talk page on the WickedPedia. Thanks for the complement. ([[User:Thunkful2|Thunkful2]] ([[User talk:Thunkful2|talk]]) 10:45, 24 August 2016 (EDT))

:OK, got it. And thanks for your complement. :) --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:50, 24 August 2016 (EDT)

== References from Wikipedia ==

While it's not really plagiarism to copy a reference from WP, it just want to point out that you probably shouldn't do so unless you have read that source, and believe that it supports what is being said. If you are reading the books you are referencing, that's fine--I just can't tell. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:33, 8 September 2016 (EDT)
:Oh, that's a good point. I actually did not read those books, I just wanted to cite something so I wouldn't be adding unsourced info to the article. Should I remove those references anyway? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

::It is a good idea to find references to support unsourced statements, but it is a little deceptive to cite something you haven't read. To be entirely beyond reproach, removal probably would be best. At this point though, I honestly don't know if I'd bother. In my opinion, it's up to you. No one else has said anything, so it might be okay to leave them, I'm just not sure. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:51, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

:::OK. I will do my own research and find other sources that I can use instead. However, it's getting late, so I will deal with that tomorrow. Thanks for your help! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:58, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

== Account promoted ==

Your account has been promoted to include blocking and overnight editing capability. Congratulations!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 00:30, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

:Congratulations! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:57, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

::Well done! [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 01:06, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

:::Thanks all! I really appreciate it! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:21, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

::::Excellent! you did good keeping an eye on that vandal yesterday. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 14:52, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

:::::Thanks, Progressingamerica, I appreciate it! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:42, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

==Reading the WSJ==
Re: [[Christoph Blocher]]

Typically, when I want to read a WSJ article that requires subscriber sign in is to Google the headline and access the web page from a search engine instead of directly. Most of the time this requires a clean browser tab, sometimes it needs to be done in a different browser. Rarely, it requires a cookie clearing. Just thought that information may be of help. This even works with articles that are years old.

As a last resort, see if its in the internet archive.(though, most articles I don't want that bad to keep trying) But they're all good procedures to know. Sometimes works for other news sites too, besides WSJ. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 00:00, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

:Thanks for the tip! That's what I will do. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:32, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

== Account promoted ==

Your account has been promoted to include upload and rollback features. Congratulations!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 17:26, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
:Thanks! I really appreciate it! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:36, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
::Congratulations! Keep it up! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:31, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
:::Thanks David! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:43, 13 October 2016 (EDT)

== Move and unlock requests ==

You can post your move and unlock requests to [[User talk:Karajou]]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:30, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
:Thanks for the tip! It's getting late, so I will do that tomorrow. I appreciate it! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:37, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
::You don't actually need any privileges to do a move. You can cut-and-paste from one lemma to another. For purposes of copyright law, the edit summaries must make it clear where the incoming material comes from. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:54, 14 October 2016 (EDT)

== Karajou blocked a user who expressed views supporting the Presidential candidate who is not a sexual preditor. ==

People should not be judged in race on alleged sexuality. A proper critique of Karajou would be asking him about blocking a user who expressed views supporting the Presidential candidate who is not a sexual preditor.--[[User:Rodgerr|Rodgerr]] ([[User talk:Rodgerr|talk]]) 19:04, 14 October 2016 (EDT)

:If you think you have been judged unfairly, you could have just emailed Karajou or webmaster@conservapedia.com (see [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#Member Accounts]]). However, more than once, you decided to take the low route, calling him filthy, immature words [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Karajou&diff=1283494&oldid=1283491]. See [[Conservapedia:Avoid personal remarks]]. And why in the world did you do this? [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Coal_burning&curid=140922&diff=1283484&oldid=1283423] (for someone who apparently abhors Trump for the tape, your words seem just as bad) That, honestly, is shameful. I will note that the "Bringreaganback" account clearly violated [[Conservapedia:90/10 rule]]. Considering all this, it's quite clear you deserved the block. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:12, 14 October 2016 (EDT)

== Mainpageleft ==

In response to your good question about entries on [[Template:Mainpageleft|Mainpageleft]], currently there are about 112 featured entries there, which are "reshuffled" periodically. Do you have any suggestions about how that "team" of entries be improved, with respect to insight, influence, popularity, interest level, educational value, etc.? It's a terrific mix of topics now but there is always room for improvement, particularly as the issues and interest in certain topics by the public inevitably shifts over time. Thanks much for any suggestions you may have.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:46, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

:An example: "[[Underrated Sports Stars]]" is a solid entry, but should probably be replaced on [[Template:Mainpageleft|Mainpageleft]]. Do you have any favored, influential, insightful, potentially or already popular entry that you like, which you would recommend to replace it?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 12:55, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

::I do have a few suggestions. [[Murder of Seth Rich]] is probably the best suggestion, as it is very detailed and well sourced. Also, the Wikipedia article of the murder has been the victim of leftist bias (two times, within a month, editors have tried to delete the article, and with that failing, the article appears to have been stripped of much detail) which our article covers well. Other suggestions that I have are the [[Ark Encounter]] (a popular and influential attraction, and one that has been the victim of atheist and evolutionary bias, which the article covers), and [[Larry McDonald]] (a true patriot who stayed true to his principles, and his article actually covers the theories on his possible survival). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:22, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

== Account promoted again ==

Congratulations, your account has been promoted again, so that you can edit protected articles, and protect and unprotect articles. Very well done!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:05, 10 November 2016 (EST)
:Wow! Thank you very much, Mr. Schlafly! I really appreciate it! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:19, 10 November 2016 (EST)
::Congratulations! I've had some problems with the "protect" privilege, but I hope it works for you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:35, 12 November 2016 (EST)
:::Thanks! I hope so too! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:15, 12 November 2016 (EST)
::::Congratulations on yet another promotion. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 11:46, 12 November 2016 (EST)
:::::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:46, 12 November 2016 (EST)

==Can't edit article==
Hi again, 1990'sguy, it's Ambassador. Is there any reason I can't edit the article on the [[Big Bang]]? To keep atheists from changing it, I suppose. If you have access to it, you might want to add the point about the Big Bang, due to planets and moons spinning backwards, contradicting the law of Conservation of angular momentum. Find out about it [http://www.creationwiki.org/Three_planets_and_several_moons_revolve_backwards_(Talk.Origins) here]. Thanks! [[User:Ambassador|Ambassador]] ([[User talk:Ambassador|talk]]) 19:56, 22 November 2016 (EST)
:Yes, the article is protected probably because of atheist/secularist/liberal vandalism. Unfortunately, I cannot edit it myself as I do not have full admin capabilities. I recommend asking an admin ([http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&username=&group=sysop&limit=100 list]) to unlock the article or add the information you want added. Or, you can go to [[Talk:Main Page|the main talk page]] and add your request there, where more people can see it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:08, 22 November 2016 (EST)

== Thank you! ==

Hello there, and thank you for editing the article on [[Islam and Christianity]]. --[[User:SWAJCAHL&S|SWAJCAHL&S]] ([[User talk:SWAJCAHL&S|talk]]) 09:13, 23 November 2016 (EST)
:No problem, and thank you for creating it! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:14, 23 November 2016 (EST)

::And also thank you, for your help - and tips! - on [[Jared Kushner]]. I'll try to remember the ref's and cat's in the future. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] ([[User talk:Ed Poor|talk]]) 21:49, 23 November 2016 (EST)
:::Sounds great and you're welcome! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 23 November 2016 (EST)

== Geocentric page ==

I added a bit on the talk page a while ago. [[User:PeterIceHockey|PeterIceHockey]] ([[User talk:PeterIceHockey|talk]]) 17:15, 3 December 2016 (EST)
:Do you mean on the section "Ptolemy's view of a stationary earth"? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:13, 3 December 2016 (EST)
::Sorry for the late reply but yes. It doesn't seemed to have created a new heading so I will add that now. [[User:PeterIceHockey|PeterIceHockey]] ([[User talk:PeterIceHockey|talk]]) 17:11, 5 December 2016 (EST)
:::I removed it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:21, 5 December 2016 (EST)

== This is a simple misunderstanding. Please be reasonable. ==

This is [[User:Amorrow]]. I had to dirty myself by creating a sockpuppet because you cut off every last channel of communication. The issues:
# SSN of dead people are release by the government of the USA. I made it clear that my father is dead. His name was William Knight Morrow. You can find his name and SSN, for instance, at [http://sortedbybirthdate.com/pages/19311104.html this page]. It is public, not private.
# You could have removed that link and let it go at that. I do not require notification of such actions. I do not care about that link very much. I put it there simply as a convenience.
Is the matter resolved? If so, then please unblock me or let me know here what remains unresolved.--[[User:Amorrow2|Amorrow2]] ([[User talk:Amorrow2|talk]]) 20:44, 3 December 2016 (EST)

:I am discussing the issue on [[User talk:DavidB4]]. You are welcome to join in. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:48, 3 December 2016 (EST)
::You are unblocked. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:46, 3 December 2016 (EST)

==Pitch hitting==

Thanks for the ref [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Donald_Trump&oldid=1293435]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 13:34, 18 December 2016 (EST)
:You're welcome. Always happy to help! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:15, 18 December 2016 (EST)

==Trump==
You're not telling me it's just a coincidence, are you? [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 18:44, 23 December 2016 (EST)

:Seriously? It is extremely unlikely that this passage, which is about the Second Coming of Christ, has anything to do with Donald Trump. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:46, 23 December 2016 (EST)
::Dang :( Thought I'd had my first ever conservative insight. Must be the morphine. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 18:56, 23 December 2016 (EST)
:::I think this has more to do with biblical [[hermeneutics]] than conservatism. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:00, 23 December 2016 (EST)

== Merry Christmas ==

[[Image:Merry Christmas.gif|cebter|260px]]
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Thank you for all your contributions to Conservaoedia as far your web article content.

Merry Christmas! And have a happy New Year's Day. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:37, 24 December 2016 (EST)

:Thank you very much, Conservative, and the same to you as well! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:43, 24 December 2016 (EST)

== [[St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre]] ==

I suggest doing the redirect in the opposite direction for two reasons. First, it preserves the history and visits to the pre-existing entry. Second, it leaves intact the "Saint" spelled out, which is a stronger and more effective title than the secularized abbreviation. I'd be happy to change the direction of the redirect, if you agree. Regardless, thanks for your efforts!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 23:01, 27 December 2016 (EST)

:Yes please, Mr. Schlafly, that would be great if you would move it. Just as long as the article shows up as being created by me on the "New Pages" feed. I didn't know that this article already existed, but I worked hard on it and I think that my article is of higher quality by any objective measure. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:39, 28 December 2016 (EST)

==European immigration==
I was thinking of doing an article on the [[European immigration]] problem (don't want to call 'European immigration crisis', yet). Americans are woefully ignorant of what's happening in Europe, and we're looking at doing perhaps the biggest change in Immigration law since 1952. In Europe, whole new political parties have been spawned because of the establishment parties failure to deal with the problems. In 20 years, the German mi!itary may be majority Muslim which would impact the future of the NATO alliance. Better get started now in educating the American public on changing demographics and how this may affect America's role as a Superpower, assuming it still is by then.

Would you care to collaborate? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']] 01:39, 29 December 2016 (EST)

:Of course, I'll be happy to help! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:39, 29 December 2016 (EST)
::Do you think we should add a subsection under UK about Brexit and to what extent that was motivated by immigration? Also, I'd like to include something about the Schengen Agreement. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']] 16:46, 29 December 2016 (EST)
:::Both of those are great ideas. The "freedom of movement" EU policy played a large part in the referendum and its aftermath. People are tired of unlimited immigration.
:::As for the Schengen area, people can go anywhere they want in Europe without worrying about border security (and before, it was quite tough crossing the border I've heard). The agreement is an essential part of the EU plan to reach full political unification. It really has nothing to do with economics. Also, criminals and terrorists can easily cross the border. The recent Berlin attacker was caught in Italy. He crossed at least two borders without being caught. Imagine if he tried doing that without the agreement. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:53, 29 December 2016 (EST)
:::::Same as most of suspects in 1200 reported sexual assault cases New Years Eve in Cologne. Something like only 7 or 22 arrests have ever been made, while most of the other identified suspects are reported to have fled the country.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']] 17:06, 29 December 2016 (EST)

== Father's SSN ==

I created [[Social Security Death Index]]. After I add some ref's, I hope that we can revisit the notion of me declaring what my father's SSN is.

Just to mention where I got this idea from, it is from the web site anusha.com . Sloan has lived an erratic and at times immoral life, but he is just below the level of genius in raw talent. I refer to him as an "accidental adventurer". Please see thermo4thermo.org/sam_sloan.html for some of his life-adventures.
I am not promoting his lifestyle, but he is my publisher for my upcoming book. His web site is a mess. It has about 3000 pages but just a mess of cross-references. The home page is very, very long. You can look at pages like www.anusha.com/pafc147.htm . He also has pages like www.anusha.com/uncles-p.htm . His memory is almost perfect. Near Total Recall. Anyway, I hope we can engage in dialog about my father's SSN.--[[User:Amorrow|Amorrow]] ([[User talk:Amorrow|talk]]) 22:11, 3 January 2017 (EST)
==Hate crime==
Dear 1990'sguy, I am not trying to get into an edit war with you, but I believe that you are misreading the hate crime laws. They do not address "hate speech," just violence or other criminal acts against target groups that receive a lot of hate. I suggest that you do further research, and I hope that you will come to the same conclusion. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 20:31, 7 January 2017 (EST)
:For clarification, are you telling me that hate crime laws do not cover "hate speech"? Regardless, I think we should mention that slowly (but steadily) speaking out for biblical Christian principles (opposition to homosexual marriage, saying Islam is a false religion, etc.) is being seen as "hate speech" and vulnerable to being criminalized. See this recent story[https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/simon-turpin/2016/01/08/northern-ireland-pastor-not-guilty-criticising-islam/] and please note the recent attempts to censor Christian sermons in Houston (I don't know if other cities did the same). Censorship of Christian and conservative opinions is growing, and I could a few (but probably unrelated to hate crimes) examples. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:09, 7 January 2017 (EST)
::Also, while you can keep you additions, would you please restore the [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Hate_crime&curid=3861&diff=1298155&oldid=1298153 material you deleted in this edit] (particularly those three completely deleted paragraphs)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:11, 7 January 2017 (EST)
:::Thank you for fixing the dead link and finding an additional source. You are exactly right. Hate crime and hate speech are completely different. All Conservatives disapprove of speech codes, "safe spaces policy" and political correctness. The First Amendment is clear that regulation of speech must be neutral as to the message. The person(s) who wrote the [[Hate crime]] article years ago got a bit tangled up. Liberals want hate speech codes, and Conservatives oppose them. Both Liberals and Conservatives have voted to enact true hate crime laws to protect religious freedom and to address hate violence on the basis of race. Some Conservatives argue that the list of hate targets in those laws should not include "sexual orientation," but that argument does not belong in a section discussing protecting religion.
:::I took out the two paragraphs because they were repetitive, out-of-place and not germaine. Why not add them to [[Hate speech]]? Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:39, 7 January 2017 (EST)
::::Thank you for clarifying and for moving the content. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:00, 7 January 2017 (EST)
:::::You are welcome. Our discussion here was a bit time delayed. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 22:02, 7 January 2017 (EST)
If you want to include the legislative history, it should explain which bill that was finally adopted that is being discussed and how the bill that was adopted differs from the earlier bills. The people that worked on this article years ago were obviously opposed to a series of bills and were making arguments on why a bill would be bad. Their narative is out of date. We have a number of state and federal hate crime laws on the books and we need to describe what exists, give facts and statistics about how the laws work, and include some commentary on whether the law has been applied fairly. If you want to expand the history section beyond the two sentences that I have explaining how the federal law expanded the role of the FBI, please do so. But the fact that certain people sponsored bills that did not pass before a bill did pass is not helpful unless you explain what changes were made or how the early efforts illumniates our understanding of the bill that passed. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 00:50, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:If these proposed bills became law, we should definitely include this (even if we word it differently). We should do this in order to inform the public about leftist laws and to show that they didn't always exist. Unfortunately, I am quite busy right now, so I cannot do anything about this at the moment. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:49, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:::1990sguy, these bills did '''not''' become law. A similar bill later became law. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 01:10, 14 January 2017 (EST)
::Not to sidetrack your guys discussion, but let me point out (cause the media hasn't) we have just witnessed something very rare and unusual in the US. Traditionally, because of state sovereignty, the states prosecute murder cases and federal government's role is restricted, for most of our history, to capital cases in the US military. In the 20th century federal crimes like murdering the president, or terrorism on federal property causing death ([[Timothy McVeigh]]), were added. This guy, [http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/12/us/dylann-roof-death-penalty-explainer/ Dylann Roof], has just been sentenced to death for violating peoples civil rights with a hate crime enhancement, and ''not for murder''. The federal government does not have the legal authority to try this as a murder case. In fact, Roof probably never will be tried for murder cause the State of South Carolina isn't gonna spend the time and money to do it after the feds are done. In my lifetime, I think this is only the fourth case like this I ever heard of, tho I'm sure there's been a few others. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]] 22:37, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:::Rob, this happened a lot in the 1960s. Civil rights workers would go South and were murdered and either the murder was not prosecuted or a local jury would acquit the accused. The FBI would then investigate and the US DOJ would successfully prosecute for civil rights violations in Federal Court. The question is whether there is enough of a commerce clause basis to allow for the passage of such federal crimes, and the courts have upheld them on the grounds that if the federal government did not prevent such intimidation, people would not feel safe crossing state lines. Also, many states have suspended or abolished the death penalty, while it remains available in federal court. State "sovereignty" is very limited and not ''actual'' sovereignty in the legal sense. To me, this is a more interesting aspect of the Hate crime article than whether or not the definition should be expanded to include "gender identity." [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 01:08, 14 January 2017 (EST)
::::I'm not sure it happened "a lot". There was the 'Mississippi Burning' case, where the local cops and others were charged with civil rights violations, but no one served more than a six year sentence. This is why "hate crime" legislation was added later, cause sentences were too light for a "civil rights violation resulting in death". The problem in those days were all-white juries exonerating murder cases, so the feds invented a way they could prosecute killers. One guy was convicted in a state trial [http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/price&bowers/killen.htm 40 years later in 2005 of manslaughter,] but he wasn't the trigger man. No one has ever been charged with the actual killings.
::::Then there was Salt Lake City case of a civil rights violation resulting in death in 1978, but Utah was never part of the Confederacy, was not put under federal scrutiny in the Voting Rights Act, nor has a history of all-white jurries exonersting whites accused of murdering blacks.

::::In the 1990s, Brian Beckwith was convicted of violating Medgar Evers civil rights by killing him in the 1970s.

::::In the 90s Timothy McVeigh was the first person executed by the federal government since, like 1956. But this was a terrorism charge resulting in death, not a civil rights violation, AFAIK. ([https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3azq6b/eli5how_timothy_mcveigh_only_got_convicted_of_8/ McVeigh was only charged with 8 counts of murder, although 168 were killed]). Since McVeigh, there's been maybe one or two other cases of people executed by the federal government.
::::Bottomline, the federal hate crime enhancement was added cause, while the feds proved they could get a conviction where the state failed to act, the penalty was too low. Since its inception, it's hard to find a single case that the law was used for what it was designed for. There is no evidence whatsoever that South Carolina would not prosecute Dylann Roos, or an all-white jury would have exonerated him if the feds failed to intrude. South Carolina has lost its right to govern itself, its sovereignty. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]] 06:32, 14 January 2017 (EST)
:::::If this is true, then it definitely should be added. It would give yet another ignored example of massive governmental expansion and movement towards socialism. JDano, if the 2009 proposal did not become law, then what did the actual law consist of? If the bill that was listed on the article did not become law, then there is no point in including it. However, a legislative history of successful bills would be good. However, I am still quite busy, so I will not attempt to do anything about this at the moment. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:49, 14 January 2017 (EST)

==Contest==
I will provide the details you seek when i get some time. You were in the top 5. --Jpatt 10:19, 16 January 2017 (EST)
:Thank you for the reply Jpatt! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:40, 16 January 2017 (EST)

== discuession ==

I am continuing the discussion on my talk page.--[[User:Amorrow|Amorrow]] ([[User talk:Amorrow|talk]]) 10:39, 22 January 2017 (EST)

==Question==
What would be the best word to describe Eurosceptic's opponents? Eurocentric? Pan European? Some other? I don't like globalist in this context. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]] 12:42, 28 January 2017 (EST)
:I would say either "Europeanists," "Europhiles," or "Euro-Federalists" are the best. They either seem to be the most used terms. Of those three, I would personally opt for the first. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:00, 28 January 2017 (EST)

== Ban editing ==

Hi, I've noticed you sometimes change blocks by other admins to increase the time or make in infinite. I appreciate your intentions, but just thought I would point out a couple things. Firstly, the blocking admin generally has the final say over the block they have imposed. For example, if a person want to dispute the ban, they are to go to the blocking admin, and that admin decides whether to revoke the ban or not (as can be seen [[Conservapedia:Quick_reference#If_you_get_blocked|here]]). Since you are not revoking a block, it's probably not as big of an issue, but it still seems to be proper etiquette. Of course, full admins have authority over assistants such as you and I, so they have the right to direct revise of revoke blocks we make. 
Secondly, While it makes good sense to block those people forever, it doesn't really work that way. A ban applies to the username, and the IP from which they edited if the option is selected--nothing more. Vandals almost always use servers to redirect their connection, however, so that their true IP is never seen by CP. This means that when we block those users, we are really just blocking the server they were using. This is a good thing too, but the problem is that these servers are usually assigned new IPs periodically, so the block no longer applies--now the blocked IP is unassigned. Since most people in the western world still use IPv4, there are not that many spare IP addresses, so the IP is soon assigned to someone else. Now some innocent person is using an IP which for all eternity has been blocked on CP. They probably will never even know, but if we set infinite blocks enough, the chances of that happening regularly increase continuously. I know some people here do use infinite block regularly, but in my opinion its a logistical problem. This is why I almost always set a time limit, or block only the username infinitely, and leave the IP unblocked (which I prefer not to do).
Thanks for your ongoing efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:05, 31 January 2017 (EST)
:Yikes, I should have thought of that. The thought of indefinitely blocking innocent people from CP certainly is not a good thing. If you haven't reverted by block change, feel free to undo it. I'm too busy right now to do it myself. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 31 January 2017 (EST)

::The chances of that happening from a couple blocks are pretty low, but it can add up. Anyway, no harm done. I just thought I'd mention it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:24, 31 January 2017 (EST)

== expand ==

[[Gainful employment]]. Yes. I dare you to.--[[User:Amorrow|Amorrow]] ([[User talk:Amorrow|talk]]) 08:32, 4 February 2017 (EST)
:Why? What's the purpose of you messaging me? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:25, 4 February 2017 (EST)

==[[Abortion]] article==
It's open for you to make your suggested additions. As to the Leif Ericson image, what needs to happen is a new image uploaded in its place. I'll try to find one later. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 13:18, 6 February 2017 (EST)
:New Leif image uploaded and added to article. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 12:56, 7 February 2017 (EST)
::Thank you. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:02, 7 February 2017 (EST)

== Addiction article and TAR ==

Hello again, Regarding the [[Addiction]] article and specifically its categories, I agree with JDano. Let me attempt to explain: 

"TAR" is short for [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] a former user and assistant SysOp here at Conservapedia. People have differing opinions of him, but mine is that he did offer some valuable contributions, but also did not understand and did not learn the rules of CP. Among some other issues, he tended to add many "See also" links to articles which were not sufficiently relevant and did the same with categories. Thus, when editors refer to "TAR" they are usually talking about this debris, which should not exist. TheAmericanRedoubt (TAR) has since stopped editing here, and his account has been deleted. However, some of the links and categories he inserted still exists, and make things look messy. For this reason, a number of editors (including myself) try to clean up these issues and restore a little more order. The guide page [[Conservapedia:How to create and maintain high-quality articles]] was the direct result of TAR's methods. 
Regarding the categories specifically, it's best to maintain a "tree" structure. A page should not connect to categories which also contain subcategories it links to. Also, it should link only to categories which contain it, not categories which the page topic can contain. In other words, a page "drug" should be in the category "medicines" but not in a category "antibiotics". 
I hope this clarifies a bit. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:42, 13 February 2017 (EST)

:Please allow me to apologize for my impatience with the "addiction" article. You accidentally stepped into the remains of a hornets' nest. TAR added lots of utterly irrelevant see-also's and categories, in what can only be described as an attempt to turn this wiki into survivalist-pedia, or perhaps James-Wesley-Rawles-pedia. He offended a huge number of people with his implications that we were all supposed to stockpile bullets, batteries, and other survivalist stuff (I could look it up but it's too nauseating) and move to a "redoubt" in Idaho or similar place while we wait for the apocalypse. We were also all supposed to be into some kind of crackpot Indian alternative medicine. (I think it was called "ayurvedic" or something like that; once again too nauseating.) The whole wiki was in an enormous uproar for a few months. (And Cons, who really doesn't subscribe to that stuff, nevertheless stirred up the pot by pretending to be in email contact with the guy.)
:So if you see suspicious see-also's or categories, especially with codewords like "nanny state" or "gun-grabbing", be aware this might be detritus from TAR. I support the second amendment, but I don't support putting all this survivalist garbage into an article on fire hydrants.
:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:36, 13 February 2017 (EST)
::It has taken a huge amount of work to undo TAR's damage. I suppose that you think that there is a bias against any change he had made, and there is probably some truth to that. He did not understand that our categories have a tree structure. Instead, he thought of categories as a word association test. Putting in excess categories and excessive red links makes Conservapedia less appealing to users and lowers our google search engine rankings. In theory, every article could be in every category, because there is some plausible connection between any two subjects. If we had a separate article on "Drug Addiction" then it could have categories like [[:Category:Illegal Drugs]] or [[:Category:Drugs]]. The problem is that [[:Category:Illegal Drugs]] is a subcategory of [[:Category:Drugs]] ''breaking up the category tree with an infinite loop.'' Here the Addiction article is on a much higher level that discusses video games, etc. So, it is not useful to a high school student looking for information about illegal drugs, in my opinion. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 05:46, 13 February 2017 (EST)

:::Thank you all for your explanations. Considering these things, I will try not to get in the way next time this clean up occurs. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:13, 13 February 2017 (EST)
== Thanks! ==

You helped make [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/conservapedia.com THIS] happen.

I have never seen a non-profit website go from below 100,000 rank to nearly a 50,000 Alexa ranking in about a year. And Andy payed zero dollars for internet marketing services during this period.

And there is no sign of a nearing web traffic plateau. My guess is that Trump supporters/Trump era and the resulting political waves significantly explains the boost in traffic.

Trump supporters seem very loyal so the traffic boost could be long lasting. It also seems like there is a reawakening of right-wing politics/nationalism that will be long lasting. And right-wing populism and "[[best of the public]]" go together like peanut butter and jelly. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:30, 13 February 2017 (EST)

:You're welcome, and thank ''you'' for all your edits! I'm happy to help improve the quality of Conservapedia. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:56, 13 February 2017 (EST)
==Quick project==
Dear Guy:
Our state articles list the members of Congress from each state, but they have not be updated for 2016. If five editors could update 10 states each, we would be done quickly. Could you please take a look at [[Conservapedia:Community Portal#Political directory]]? Thanks in advance, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 16:13, 15 February 2017 (EST)

Thank you for your help with the project and with People's Party. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 23:02, 21 February 2017 (EST)

== Tip ==

Thanks for your terrific work. One tip: the licensing information should be expressly included in the uploads. I added it here: [[File:EU_member_states.png]]. Thanks again for your edits and uploads.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 23:27, 7 March 2017 (EST)
:Thank you for the tip. I will remember to add the information next time. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:34, 7 March 2017 (EST)

==[[Template:Book]]==
Try working on it now. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 10:48, 11 March 2017 (EST)

== Questions ==

A few months ago, you told me to ask you any questions I had, so here goes:
*When recategorizing the massive and messy [Category:Authors] by nationality, I found two authors, [[Theo Hobson]] and [[Carl Sagan]], whom I could not recategorize as [Category:American Authors]. Could you change them for me?
*When fixing the [[Francois Rabelais]] cedilla mess, I set up a redirect. Has anyone ever made a loop out of redirects? If so, what happened? I'm scared to try it.
*Lastly, where is my attention now best sent - expanding the author articles, improving our coverage of science and mathematics, or maybe tackling another recat job, like [Category:Music]?

:1) Concerning [[Theo Hobson]] and [[Carl Sagan]], those articles are protected, and as an assistant sysop, I do not have the ability to edit them. I recommend asking someone like [[User:Karajou]] or CP's owner, [[User:Aschlafly]] to either unlock the articles to allow you to fix the category or to have them change the cat themselves. I've made many similar requests to them and they will be happy to help.

:2) I have not heard of someone doing that before. I personally don't think anything bad would happen if someone did try it, as you can still access the actual redirect page to remove the loop.

:3) Honestly, all three choices are great. If I were you, I would probably choose to expand the articles already created so that the average reader would find them more interesting and worthwhile, rather than just seeing a stub. After that, I would personally move on to work on another category, so that CP is better-organized. Then after that, I would do math and science, which is (as far as I can tell) on a different theme than your other work. This is my personal preference, but if you would prefer doing it in a different order feel free! You have been very helpful to CP, and I appreciate your work. Keep it up! :) --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:20, 14 March 2017 (EDT)

::Hi, just a quick note: A redirect loop shouldn't be a problem. I think the user is only redirected once, so after that they see the second redirect page. Redirect loops, double redirects, and dead redirects should all be avoided when possible. Thanks for your contributions! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:23, 14 March 2017 (EDT)

:::You are entirely correct, DavidB4; I just tried a loop with soda and pop (and removed it). Typing one would give you the page for the other, and an option to redirect. I'll proceed to expand the author pages now. Feel free to removed this section to abridge the talk page.--[[User:Abcqwe|Abcqwe]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 15:58, 15 March 2017 (EDT)

== Could you please write this article? ==

Could you please write this important article: [[Atheism and ethics]]?

I may ask another writer or tow to contribute to it also. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:07, 18 March 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, I think I will be able to find some time to do it. Unfortunately, I have other things on my to-do list (even for CP), but this article is important, and I will try to find time to help. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:10, 18 March 2017 (EDT)

::OK. Thanks. I think [[User:Pokeria1]] will be assisting you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:55, 18 March 2017 (EDT)

=== Sources to help you write an article ===

*[https://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/04/ethics-for-atheists/# Would human life be sacred in an atheist world?]

*[http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atheists_more_immoral.html Atheism Doesn't Lead to Immoral Behavior - Or Does It?]

*[http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atheism_determinism_morality.html Does Atheism (Determinism) Negatively Impact Morality?]

*[http://apologetics-notes.comereason.org/2015/03/atheism-ethics-and-immorality.html Atheism, Ethics, and Immorality]

*[https://www.thinkingchristian.net/posts/2016/01/good-nothing-make-atheist-ethics-better-christian/ Being Good “For Nothing” — Does That Make Atheist Ethics Better Than Christian?]

*[http://www.reasonablefaith.org/questions-on-atheism-ethics-and-marital-conflict Questions on Atheism, Ethics, and Marital Conflict]

*[http://creation.com/atheism#atheism-and-ethics Atheism and ethics]

Secular sources:

*[http://www.iep.utm.edu/n-atheis/#H5 Secular Morality]

*[http://www.iep.utm.edu/n-atheis/#H4 The Moral Evaluation of Religion]

Additional sources:

*[http://www.paulcopan.com/articles/pdf/God-naturalism-morality.pdf God, Naturalism, and the Foundations of Morality] by Paul Copan
*[http://www.equip.org/articles/atheists-and-the-quest-for-objective-morality/ Atheists and the Quest for Objective Morality] by Chad Meister
*[http://themelios.thegospelcoalition.org/article/the-amorality-of-atheism The amorality of atheim] by Rob Smith
*[http://www.reasonablefaith.org/can-we-be-good-without-godCan Can we be good without God?] by William Lane Craig]
*[http://creation.com/atheism#atheism-and-ethics Atheism and ethics and morality] by Ken Ammi
*[http://www.doesgodexist.org/NovDec06/AtheisticExplanations.html Atheist explanations of morality and common sense]
*[http://whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2015/09/does_being_an_atheist_interfer.html Does being an atheist interfere with being moral?] by Lydia McGrew
*[http://americanvision.org/2742/nietzsche-slaps-down-dawkins-on-the-illusion-of-atheist-morality/ Nietzsche slaps down Dawkins on the illusion of atheist morality] by Dr. Joel McDurmon

== quick note ==

Would you be interested in email communication with me? My email is userconservative135@gmail.com

Please let me know if you are interested. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:54, 18 March 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, that would be great! I've been thinking for some time of setting up a CP email address account, and I'll do that within the next couple of days. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:29, 18 March 2017 (EDT)
::OK. That sounds good. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:02, 19 March 2017 (EDT)
:::Here it is: 1990sguysdg@gmail.com --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:46, 21 March 2017 (EDT)
I just sent you an email. Let me know if you got it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:10, 21 March 2017 (EDT)
::I wrote another response to your email. Please check your email box. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:05, 22 March 2017 (EDT)
:::I got your latest email and responded to it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:41, 22 March 2017 (EDT)

== If you are interested, another article that needs to be created ==

If you are interested, another article that needs to be created: [[Secular ethics]]

Sources about this topic:

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics Secular ethics]

*[http://www.iep.utm.edu/n-atheis/#H5 Secular Morality]

*[http://www.iep.utm.edu/n-atheis/#H4 The Moral Evaluation of Religion]

Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:11, 20 March 2017 (EDT)

=== A couple more article suggestions related to atheism and morality ===

Also, here are a few more articles that need to be written about atheism and morality:

*[[Evolutionary ethics]], Wikipedia has an article on it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_ethics

*[[Ethical naturalism]], Wikipedia has an article on it at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_naturalism

*[[Ethical subjectivism]], Wikipedia has an article on this subject at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_subjectivism

Thanks for your assistance on the [[Atheism and ethics]] article. It was much appreciated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:21, 22 March 2017 (EDT)

== The Project I invited you to participate in plus ==

Here is the project I invited you to participate in:

*[[Conservapedia:Atheism Project]]

It should be easy to find relevant online material in order to create some of the articles. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:19, 22 March 2017 (EDT)
:Thank you, Conservative, for your suggestions. I will begin on some of these soon. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:53, 22 March 2017 (EDT)
::I sent you an email. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:57, 24 March 2017 (EDT)

== Blocking user "reformed" ==

Well, I've got to say that vandalizing the user page of someone with block authority is '''really''' stupid.

But I take issue with your claim that he was an "obvious sock". As one who has been blocked a number of times on completely bogus socking charges, I take that stuff seriously. (The blocking was generally done by someone (now deceased) who had "checkuser" privileges and therefore had good tools for detecting socks, but did not understand how internet addresses work.)

It is not at all obvious to me, as one who has a lot of experience at CP, that he was a sock. He was a vandal, and you should block him for that.

Oh, dear. Now I see that there's a big storm of this stuff going on. And, yes, these guys, or at least some of them, are probably socks of each other. And at least one of them is using the name "obvioussock", just to taunt you. And one says he used to be a washing machine in his previous life.

My goodness! I think you are being trolled! :-) :-) And no, I had nothing to do with this. Just block them. It will blow over soon.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:54, 25 March 2017 (EDT)

:Thank you for your message. :) Due to the fact that "reformed" was created right after I blocked two users and vandalized my user page, I assumed that it was a clear sock of one or both of them. However, as it was not clear to you and possibly others, I changed the block settings to just include vandalism. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:06, 25 March 2017 (EDT)

==Screw up==
Sorry, I'm working with a tablet, and it's a piece of garbage. I didn't intentionally remove your comments. Sorry. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''CIA v Trump updated score'':CIA 3, Trump 2]] 15:31, 25 March 2017 (EDT)
:Assuming you're referring to those at [[Talk:Main Page]], apology accepted. It can happen to the best of us. They were other user's edits, however. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:33, 25 March 2017 (EDT)

== Thank you ==

For your reverts yesterday on my userpage, saw the sock puppet master was not finished with his trolling. [[User:YortKeldher|YortKeldher]] ([[User talk:YortKeldher|talk]]) 07:37, 26 March 2017 (EDT)
:You're welcome. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:54, 26 March 2017 (EDT)

== Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Vaccination ==

Thank you for your improvements to [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Vaccination]]. [[User:Desmonduk|Desmonduk]] ([[User talk:Desmonduk|talk]]) 16:13, 29 March 2017 (EDT)
:You're welcome. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:30, 29 March 2017 (EDT)

== small request ==

I sent you a message at the last place we communicated. Can you please read that message? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:59, 6 April 2017 (EDT)
:I sent you the information I promised. It is located at the place we last communicated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:36, 6 April 2017 (EDT)
::Sent you message. Please check place we last communicated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
:::I sent you a quick note to the place we last communicated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:51, 18 April 2017 (EDT)
::::Could you please go to the place we last communicated? It is regarding another matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

==Photo size==
With a large photo, there is much more word wrap in the table of contents, which makes it even longer. We need a wide table of contents. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 19:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:I've checked and double-checked, and I see no way how the larger-sized photo does anything to the table of contents. And I'm using a standard Google Chrome, 100% zoom screen. Could it be your search engine/zoom? I don't see any reason why the larger image is a problem in any way. I think it looks better, regardless. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:06, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::On Firefox the TOC is longer due to word wrap. You can get other pictures to help fill the space, but the space will be shorter if the TOC is wider. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 23:19, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
I am getting a lot of 500 errors. I will wait for you to finish, and then I will go back and apply my changes. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 11:07, 11 April 2017 (EDT)
:I have done my changes. But please, when making those changes, please do ''not'' revert changes I have made, particularly changes that I have already reverted you multiple times. I'm tired of these disputes. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:09, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

== IRC ==

Hello, 
After some discussion (on [[User_talk:DavidB4#Conservapedia_IRC_channel|my talk page]] and [[User_talk:Aschlafly#IRC|Andy's]]) it has been decided that I start an [[Internet Relay Chat]] channel for Conservapedia, since our old one has been dead since 2009. It is now registered and somewhat set up. I don't know if you use IRC or are interested in doing so, but anyone with block privileges on Conservapedia can also get block privileges on the new IRC channel. Unfortunately, IRC accounts are deleted after 30 days of being unused, so unless you plan on using the IRC at least once a month, there is probably not much point in registering. In any case, feel free to try it out--if you account gets deleted, we can always make another one later. If you are interested, please let me know! 
The IRC channel is: #conservapedia @irc.accessIRC.net 
Let me know if you have any questions or need anything else, also! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:33, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

:Thank you for your response. I have never used or really even heard of IRC prior before now (or, more accurately, before you and Andy started talking about it). What is the purpose of IRC? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:47, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

::It is perhaps the oldest form of instant messaging. It is basically a chat room, where people can join and idle or actively chat. Visitors can ask members questions, and members can collaborate. There is even file sharing, if that would be useful. I'm going to be writing a how-to-use guide to explain the actual usage better. 
::Most people use software clients, which they install (or run portably, which a whole different story), but web clients are also available, such as [https://kiwiirc.com/client?settings=7c7240c62a5d4861a8ad0ba697929f39 this one]. With the web client, you can just pick a name and connect, without installing anything. Also, since IRC has been around so long, software for it is compatible with almost anything. All desktop and most mobile operating systems support it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:55, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks for the info! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:24, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

== Re: Vandal ==

Already took care of that and left a note for [[User talk:Teapublican|Teapublican]] on his talk page. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 00:09, 20 April 2017 (EDT)
:Thank you. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:08, 20 April 2017 (EDT)

== Recent item on maintalk -- congratulations! ==

Sorry, I just couldn't resist making fun of you there. I immediately recognized the Breitbart article, as one that I had seen shortly before. And then I saw that it was you. No hard feelings, I hope. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:22, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
:None at all. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:37, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::Congratulations! The [[March for Science]] article is a ''really good article''. And you made it so. (Well, with a little prodding from me.) It sets out, straightforwardly, what was going on, and it doesn't descend into namecalling. I realize that you probably have very strong disagreements with what most of those people were doing, but you kept it professional.

::Really good articles, especially on potential "hot button" issues of politics, aren't all that common. Now maybe I will make another attempt to return the [[Pussy Riot]] article to the good state it was in back when I expanded it in 2014, before it got messed up with the implication that anyone who opposes murderous thug tyrant Vladimir Putin must be a "leftist", "elitist", or "social justice warrior". For which I was blocked, in blatant violation of the rules of this site. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 14:25, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Thank you for the compliment! Unfortunately, the router I'm using blocked the "Pussy Riot" article because of the first word in the title, so I cannot comment on that at all. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:00, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

::::How sad. I have created the redirect [[Nadezhda Tolokonnikova]] in case that helps. But it probably won't. You had no trouble typing the "P" word above, so I guess it's a problem of your router not going to a page with that word in the title. Maybe I should have named the page with its Cyrillc letters: "Пусси Райот". Well, you're not missing anything of cosmic importance. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 16:42, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::The redirect actually did work. Thanks! The article does not appear to have a high quality (at least in the aesthetic sense), so changes would probably be beneficial, but if you're going to make changes, I would like to remind you to be cautious and not to contradict CP's POV. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:17, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

:::In case you forgot, Sam <s>(and how fast it appears that happens with you)</s>, it was ''you'' who violated the rules of this site by putting a liberal POV into that article (among others, [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/SamHB per your history]) in the first place, then insistently readding it after your edit was reverted and you were warned about violating CP policy and about starting fights with other editors. You really should take the advice you're being given here and not continue violating CP policy. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 21:59, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

A few things:
*Today is my 9th anniversary at Conservapedia!
*I can assure everyone that I am very familiar with, and well versed in, the rules, commandments, guidelines, customs, and habits of CP. I am also familiar with the many, many, many discussions of these points that have taken place over the years.
*@Northwest: this is the expected response.
*@1990's guy: this is ''not'' the response I expected. I'm chagrined that you think the article is of low quality. Especially since you know how to write high quality articles.
I'm serious. I was proud of that article as originally written/expanded by me. I thought it laid out the facts accurately, and avoided name-calling and such. Exactly like the March for Science article. Please look at the article (preferably the [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Pussy_Riot&oldid=1328015] version, before name-calling got put in) and fix it up as you see fit. The name-calling consisted, among other things, of saying that those people around the world who took an interest in the case were "elitists" and "social justice warriors on the left". The latter term is straight out of Huffington Post and their ilk. It is a term of bleeding hearts in America, and not used widely elsewhere. In any case, one doesn't need to be an SJW to oppose murderous thug tyrant Vladimir Putin. In fact, given the recent falling out between President Trump and Putin, the accepted orthodoxy here at CP might be swinging away from support for the murderous thug. I hope so.

Please improve the article.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 11:28, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

:My problem is not with content; it is with organization, layout, aesthetics, etc. There are no subsections, which at least show the reader how the article is organized; it is just many paragraphs. Such articles do not appeal to the reader. IMO, it feels like reading a textbook. If it is just a few paragraphs, it is fine, but thus article has ten paragraphs. Adding a few headers and possibly an image would be beneficial (and I realized just as I wrote this that the March for Science article is approaching that length as well, so I probably either should just keep my mouth shut or add headers there as well). I did not mean to insult or degrade your work, and I apologize for giving that impression. BTW, happy 9th anniversary! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:46, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

:Sam - by your response, you're only proving what I said about your tactics and your history here right. You claim to be "very familiar with, and well versed in, the rules, commandments, guidelines, customs, and habits of CP", but you only pay lip service to them here while your actions on CP over the years (and even now) are showing that you simply choose to disregard them for the sake of pushing liberal POV on this site and to start fights with those who don't share your viewpoint. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 18:08, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

== Bill Nye ==

Could you please contact me by email at sam4557@gmail.com? I think we can make a really good article out of this. I have a number of criticisms of his behavior--my opinion of him has gone down a whole lot over the last few weeks, and I think I have some insights about this that I'd like to bounce off of you. I know that you and I disagree totally about evolution and creationism, but we can put together a good article stating the facts. We can stay away from the name-calling that so many articles contain, and avoid things like "so-and-so falsely believes that ..."

This is ''not'' about Pussy Riot, ''not'' about Conservapedia politics, and ''not'' about you-know-who. I just want to bounce some ideas off of you about Bill Nye and see if we can put together a really nice article.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:00, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

== Expanded article, footnote did not support genocide/racist abortions adequately ==

I greatly expanded this article [[Abortion and eugenics]]. The footnote in the liberal article was not supporting or at the very least inadequately supporting racist/genocidal abortion policies of [[Margaret Sanger]], etc.

Specifically, I skimmed the article as far as the footnoted article and it did not appear to strongly support such a big claim like abortion/genocide, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:26, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

==Something isn't right here==
... Ohhh I know what it is. ''Margaret Thatcher'' is on the list of liberals. ''Margaret. Thatcher.'' The bastion of conservatism. A favourite of Reagan. How in the ''world'' did she make the liberal list? [[User:Koidevelopment|Vive]] [[User talk:Koidevelopment|Liberté!]] 09:14, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:Wasn't me who added her. She was not as conservative as people think she is, as she did vote in favor of legalizing abortion and homosexuality. But, that said, it would probably be better without mentioning her, to avoid people focusing on her mention in the article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:24, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

::She might not have been a perfect conservative, but I still think she probably doesn't belong on that list. Of course, if you go back 80 years and read writings and speeches from liberals of the day, they sound downright conservative now. Still, she did defend liberty and much of conservatism. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:18, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Lady Thatcher's criticism of Simon Callow's performance in ''Amadeaus'' made her homophobic, I thought. Being homophobic wouldn't preclude one from being liberal however, [[Bill Moyers]] and Louis Black for example. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The coup plotters won, for now'']] 15:31, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
I assume that adding the liberalism template to the [[Episcopal Church]] article was improper? I would like to know what the proper usage of this template is for future reference. TEC is one of, if not the most liberal Christian denomination in the US these days, sadly. I do apologize for this improper usage, as I am a new editor. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 15:00, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:Hello Anglican! I removed the template because I thought the article was outside the scope of the "liberal" template. What I mean is that the template links to liberal traits, but not necessarily to liberal organizations. I think the category is good for the article, but not template. I hope this helps! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
::That makes sense. Thank you for your patience. It's sad what has happened to the Episcopal Church in recent years. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 15:14, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:::You're welcome, and I agree. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:18, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== User: Karajou sent me and others an email saying he didn't like CP's article on liberalism. So... ==

User: Karajou sent me and others an email saying he didn't like CP's article on [[liberalism]].

The article needs major improvements.

I am not going to work on it due to time restraints. I spent a lot of time improving the [[liberal]] article.

I would use the same approach used with the liberal article. Clearly delineate liberalism from socialism/fascism because they are very substantially different (for example, Sweden vs. Communist China vs. Nazi Germany). But mention how the gap between the ideologies has narrowed in the United States. I don't keep up with European politics to know the situation there as far as the gap other than knowing that China has become more capitalistic. European countries commonly have more major political parties in a country so the situation is more difficult to keep tabs on. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:33, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:I posted the below information on RobS' talk page and thought I would share it with you also. You can go to RobS' talk page to see his response to me.

::I would work on the liberalism article. But also create 2-3 sub-articles: [[American liberalism]] and [[Western liberalism]] and [[European liberalism]]. The [[American liberalism]] article is just a one sentence stub article.

::I suggest a [[Western liberalism]] article due to the Canadians, Australia, NZ, and South Africa. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Since the Brits and Canadians have the most influence in the Anglosphere on the USA, you might want to create a [[British liberalism]] article and a [[Canadian liberalism]] article too.

:::Its too bad all this wasn't done before given that CP is a political website. I was largely focused on [[atheism]] which is a dying ideology. This had an indirect relation to liberalism given the prominence of the [[secular left]] on liberal/leftist politics. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:17, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== Re: American liberalism ==

I copied and pasted some of the [[liberal]] article into the [[American liberalism]] article.

Generally speaking, ideally you want the material in the section for main article linking to a sub-article to have substantially different content. In this case, you want the [[American liberalism]] article to have different content than the "American liberalism" section of the [[liberal]] article.

So if you want to reword and/or add material to the [[American liberalism]] article the would be excellent. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:17, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== Opinion on renaming an article ==

I wanted your opinion on an idea of mines to rename one of our articles on Conservapedia before taking it to an admin or someone with the ability to actually change the name of a page.

The current page [[Exodus of Israel]], I think, should be renamed to [[The Exodus]], where [[Exodus of Israel]] should simply be a redirect to that page. Not many users would think of typing 'Exodus of Israel' to get to a page on 'The Exodus', and 'The Exodus' is just much simpler. As it is, [[The Exodus]] is currently a redirect to [[Exodus of Israel]]. I think it should be the other way around. Your thoughts?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 13:34, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
:No, I think it is better the way it is. My main reason is that having titles along the lines of "The...." does not sound encyclopedic. The current name, I believe, is more high quality for that reason. Now, it is true that many users might not think of typing "Exodus of Israel," but if they type "[[Exodus]]," they'll run into the disambiguation page and find the actual article. Also, I'm not sure that many people would think of typing "The Exodus." To sum it up, I think the current title is better and give the article a more encyclopedic feel, but you're welcome to ask another editor what they think. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
Thanks for the thoughts. Wikipedia currently uses 'The Exodus', and I find that it simply looks better, as a title, then 'Exodus of Israel'. Secondly, I also consider it more likely for someone to type in 'The Exodus' then 'Exodus of Israel'.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 15:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
:Once again, if you want to ask another editor for their opinion, like DavidB4, feel free to do so. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:20, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
Thanks for your opinion. One thing though, do you know who can get this template locked?

At this point, all relevant pages have been created, and therefore this template no longer will ever need any more editing as it is complete. So the best thing to do is to get it locked to avoid any vandalism problems in the future. Just to note, before I came on, it was already locked, even though it still had many problems. Now that the template is fixed, the best thing to do is to get it locked. [[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:57, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
:I recommend asking [[User:Aschlafly]] or [[User:Karajou]]. They have protection powers. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:15, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
==Block length==
Thanks for your alert blocks. But one year is a long time for a block. IP addresses often change in a shorter period. You might consider 3 months as a better block duration in many cases.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
:OK. I'll see to that. Should I change the blocks I just did? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:26, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
::I just went ahead and changed them. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:41, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

== Congratulations on Donald Trump accomplishments ==

Hey, I just checked Google. While that movie award comes up first when "Donald Trump achievements," is Googled, and you are the first result after, you get nice results with certain other phrases:
*Donald Trump accomplishments - third link, no box
*Trump achievements - first link, no box
*Trump accomplishments - fourth link, no box
*Donald Trump achievements and failures - fourth link, no box
While Conservative's essays come up first when their exact titles are Googled, bear in mind that these phrases are Googled more frequently.
Congratulations on the publicity, 1990sguy!--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 08:07, 25 May 2017 (EST)

:Great job, it is well deserved! - -[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])
::Thanks, Nathan and DavidB, I appreciate it! It seems I chose the right article to create, in terms of gaining page views. For a while, when one searched the exact title of my article, that silly award was not at the top of the article, and in its place was a box with a picture of Trump linking to my article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:24, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
== Can you chat briefly? ==

Can we chat briefly? Can you please go to place I sent you messages before? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:16, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
== Here is the the article ==

*[[Liberal vs. libertarian]]

Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:54, 3 June 2017 (EDT)

== It's been great ==

You've been helpful since I you first welcomed me here - me, someone who had never used wikitext or HTML in his life and never believed in a young Earth. You've really made me consider that viewpoint, and you've done it with a brilliant personal appeal, far better than User:Conservative ever has.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:34, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

==Europe's childless leaders==
Where do you think [http://dcwhispers.com/rather-odd-troubling-fact-european-leaders/ we can squeeze this in] [[European migrant crisis]]? In the Intro or elsewhere? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 02:13, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
:I think that would be a good idea. We could also, possibly, add it to the [[European Union]] article, and maybe [[Globalism]] or [[Liberal]], as these leaders advocate for left-wing globalist policies. Are you able to find other sources that note this fact? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:53, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
::I think this also illustrates liberal European values. They support mass immigration of peoples who do not share their culture while they themselves have no children. They are committing national/cultural suicide. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:15, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

== The reason I removed Ted Nugent from Notable Texans ==

Because Ted Nugent is actually from Michigan. Sorry that I forgot to add an explanation. ([[User:King Conservative|King Conservative]] ([[User talk:King Conservative|talk]]) 13:37, 17 June 2017 (EDT)King Conservative)
:I removed him from the list. Thanks. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:16, 17 June 2017 (EDT)

==Template tweak==

Hi, guy! Thanks for the {{tl|See also}} in [[Neil Gorsuch]]. That template works better. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 08:53, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
:You're welcome, always happy to help! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:58, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
==Nasty edit summaries==
Dear 1990sguy: Please stop writing inflammatory edit summaries. There is no need to make false personal attacks on other editors. As for Breitbart, each reference is evaluated individually on its own merits. If it is news reporting, I welcome it. However, some references are clearly opinion-editorial pieces that criticize other news stories instead of offering any independent news gathering. Some authors there are editorial-opinion writers rather than news reporters. Also, when I check a source and see photos of immodestly dressed women with "wardrobe malfunction" captions or women wearing tight T-shirts imprinted with "no silicone", I am less inclined to use those sources, given our family-friendly approach. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 15:31, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
:Conservapedia has no requirement that only news reporter sources can be used for mews sources. For example, many excellent conservative editorial pieces link to a news story or quote a news story while providing excellent commentary.

:The mainstream press. which is very liberal, have a lot more reporters and they still have some foreign bureaus if I am not mistaken. Then you have Fox which only has a fraction of the combined viewership of ABC, CBS, and NBC.

:To be overly reliant on news sources merely from websites who have reporters is not a good policy.

:Yes, there are conservative news organizations such as CNS News. But I don't think we should limit ourselves to merely using conservative news organizations as far as news sources.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:54, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

::I agree with Conservative on this. We can use conservative news sources, even if the articles appear to be editorializing. This is a conservative encyclopedia, after all. Why should we adopt editing policies that give liberal MSM sources an unfair advantage? How then can we differentiate ourselves from Wikipedia? I am not opposed to citing MSM sources (I do it myself), but we should give precedence to conservative sources, which do not have leftist bias. Yes, Breitbart has silly ads, but I care more about the content of the article than the ads. There are many Breitbart writers who support conservative, Christian pro-family policies. Are there any at CNN or the NYT?

::JDano, yes, my edit summaries were inflammatory. I probably should have acted cooler when dealing with you, and for that, I apologize. Your behavior, constantly reverting and adding changes that I genuinely believe to contain leftist bias without going to the talk page until you've been reverted several times, is not constructive. I do believe your changes are undermining our status as a conservative alternative to Wikipedia. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 02:50, 29 June 2017 (EDT)

== re: JDano and you getting "horse throwing" mad ==

In the recent edit changes, I saw you use all caps in your description of your edit. It was for the [[Travel ban]] article.

This tells me that you are starting to get "horse throwing" mad.

If it becomes necessary, you can impose a [[Conservapedia:Topic bans|Conservapedia:Topic ban]] to JDano since you have blocking rights. You can make it applicable to certain articles or certain article categories. Probably a certain article would be best as a shot across his bow.

If JDano also has blocking rights, you can get Karajou/Aschlafly to impose such a ban. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:29, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
:P.S. I don't know if you are correct in this matter. And I don't have time to mediate. I am just offering you a suggestion since I have experienced JDano being unreasonable at times. Also, the majority of Conservapedians/Republicans/conservatives are more fans of Trump than Lindsey Graham. JDano appears to be in the Graham camp. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:37, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
::Please see my comment in the section immediately above. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 02:51, 29 June 2017 (EDT)

== JDano has a topical ban imposed on him for the "travel ban" article. ==

I just posted this message to JDano's talk page:

"You are not allowed to edit the [[travel ban]] article anymore. I am imposing a [[Conservapedia:Topic bans|Conservapedia:Topic ban]] on you for this article.

By the way, Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in terms of its Muslim population. The travel ban of the Trump administration does not include Indonesia."[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:13, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

== JDano has a topical ban imposed on him for the fake news article ==

I posted this on JDano's talk page:

"The [[fake news]] article was locked/protected. It seems as if the root cause of the page being locked was an edit war involving yourself.

You are no longer allowed to edit the fake news article. I am imposing a Conservapedia topic ban on you for this article. See: [[Conservapedia:Topic bans|Conservapedia:Topic ban]]

I hope additional topic bans are not imposed on you by people with block rights." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:23, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

== Socks of JamesWilson ==

Socks of this clown should receive five year bans. He is a malicious provocateur, and he singlehandedly destroyed another website as well as leading dozens of people off this site. Show this schlemiel no mercy. --[[User:RonaldB|RonaldB]] ([[User talk:RonaldB|talk]]) 14:16, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
:I don't see why we should be giving long blocks to this guy. He's clearly using multiple ip addresses. These addresses will probably get passed to one or more people who have no intention of vandalizing CP. DavidB4 explained by long blocks are not a good idea on my talk page: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:1990%27sguy&diff=1304184&oldid=1303142] However, I will not challenge your lengthening of that block or any other. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:20, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
::Maybe you do have a point because he has created a few different accounts in the past day or so. All I'm saying is that lightening up on him isn't going to work. My late friend George let this guy off easy, and he destroyed an entire community. I've had plenty of experience with this guy in the past to know his MO, and he's fanatically obsessed with Taylor Swift and "avenging" others because they "ruined" his articles. --[[User:RonaldB|RonaldB]] ([[User talk:RonaldB|talk]]) 14:28, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
:::That's fair. This guy is clearly bad news. Regardless of what block lengths we give him (and I can see some sense in making them longer), we should try not to accidently prevent innocent people from viewing CP. Thanks for your help! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:30, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
::::How do we know that this editor is a "sock" of JamesWilson? Has anyone checked the IP user logs? The Taylor Swift connection could be a false-flag operation. If George and James got into an edit-war on a different website, that would not be relevant here. Let's judge each editor separately until they can be linked by evidence. Are all of the problem users created in the past few days created from the same or very similar IP addresses? Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 15:27, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
:::::He put "Sad case!- James Wilson" in the edit summary of all of his vandalism, and it was the same stuff he's always done. If he says it's him, I'm just gonna assume it's him. Dont give this guy the benefit of the doubt. He's had plenty enough breaks here and elsewhere. --[[User:RonaldB|RonaldB]] ([[User talk:RonaldB|talk]]) 16:03, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
:::::@JDano: Yes, I think it clearly is JamesWilson. His vandalism is very repetitive -- he even vandalizes the user pages of the same users. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:52, 4 July 2017 (EDT)
*FYI, even if an account is blocked indefinitely, the autoblock on the IPs is only for twenty-four hours. If the IP block was for as long as the account's block, checkusers wouldn't have to put separate blocks on persistent vandals' IP addresses. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 18:26, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
==Articles==
Since I've written a few articles on Christianity, please feel free to edit them to conform to the views of Conservapedia if necessary. Admittedly, writing about Christianity as a Jew can be a bit difficult at times. --[[User:RonaldB|Ronald]] ([[User talk:RonaldB|talk]]) 14:35, 5 July 2017 (EDT)
:I have not seen any factual problems with the articles you created. However, I do recommend that you add categories of the religion you are writing about to those articles. For example, that you add "Category:Christianity" to [[Secular Christianity]] and "Category:Judaism" to [[Secular Judaism]]. The people who practice these are not Jews (religiously speaking) or Christians, but the articles are relevant to those religions.

:Also, I recommend that you add at least one source to the articles you create. Adding sources to articles is Commandment #2 in [[Conservapedia:Commandments]], and it makes the articles better for readers. They know where you are getting your information from, and they can read further if they are interested. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:51, 6 July 2017 (EDT)

== Changing my username ==

I don't know if Andy saw my request on his talk page. Did he skip it or didn't see it? --[[User:KommissarReb|KommissarReb]] ([[User talk:KommissarReb|talk]]) 9:18, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
:I don't know. Sometimes he does that, but when I message him again he usually replies. I recommend commenting again, letting him know how much you want your username changed, and asking him to respond. I think we will do it, but only if you absolutely want it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:49, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
::I read [[User_talk:Aschlafly#Inquiry|the back and forth]] with the guy you probably were referring to on Andy's page. Andy seemed pretty reluctant to change the RonaldB's name for most of the discussion.. Is the process of changing someone's username complex or difficult to do, or did he just want to make sure that the guy wasn't being wishy-washy about the change? I was a little sheepish about asking him again because I don't want to seem annoying. --[[User:KommissarReb|KommissarReb]] ([[User talk:KommissarReb|talk]]) 5:07, 11 July 2017 (EDT)
:::I think CP admins generally prefer simply creating a new account. The user who made the other request was not the original person using the account. The original person let him take over the account. I can see why Andy wanted him to create a new account. I recommend you politely letting him know how much you want your username changed, and why, and asking him to respond, regardless of his answer. I think that would be a good move on your part. It would show how serious you are with this request. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:06, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

== Re: Trump ==

I think Donald Trump is going to get stuck with the blame for the economic bubble created by the Obama administration and the Federal Reserve.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwtkIpgAnA]

In addition, TrumpCare probably will not work because it is keeping the "precondition clause" of ObamaCare due to its popularity. People will often not buy health insurance until they are sick. So the health care system will not be viable. Car insurance companies could not be profitable if people could buy their car insurance after their car accident in order to replace their car. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:00, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

:You are probably right on both of those things. The first point would be the fault of the Obama Administration, and the second by the establishment GOP Congress. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

Got it, thanks for letting me know. --[[User:OneTrueConservative|OneTrueConservative]] ([[User talk:OneTrueConservative|talk]]) 00:12, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
:You're welcome. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:21, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
== Expansion of right-wing material on the internet ==

*[https://www.axios.com/the-partisan-explosion-of-digital-news-2279022772.html The recent explosion of right-wing news sites]

*[https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/3dy7vb/why-the-right-is-dominating-youtube Why the Right Is Dominating YouTube] - Vice News

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HndA5MoxK08 Why the Right is Dominating YouTube (A Response to Vice)]

*[https://www.nctv.nl/binaries/psychological-effects-of-right-wing-and-islamic-extremist-internet-videos_tcm31-30177.pdf Psychological effects of right-wing and Islamic extremist videos] - Netherlands and German report

I know Twitter bans and shadow bans right-wingers.

I haven't looked at the latter two items, but right-wingers gaining momentum on the internet is an interesting development. With nationalism gaining ground in Europe and 21st century [[desecularization]] occurring, the trend is bound to continue. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

===Scriptural Geology===
Scriptural Geologists published in the USA as well. CRSQ published my review of David Lord "Geognosy" (that has other citations as well). [my magazines are in
storage but the year was 2000-2004.] Another recent CRSQ review was Gordon's 1878 book that mentioned USA Scriptural Geologist Martyn Payne.
:Thanks, Snoopy2, for your addition! I noted this fact, briefly in the article, in "The scriptural geologists" section. I knew that most of the Scriptural Geologists were British, and I did not have the time or knowledge of them to go into much more detail. Thanks for your help! Please remember to sign your posts in the future. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:06, 31 July 2017 (EDT)

== important message for you ==

I sent you an important message to the last place we communicated.

I also have some good news for you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:10, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

== BLOCK THIS GUY!!!!!!!! ==

BLOCK THIS GUY!!!!!!!!

== Block duration ==

Thanks for your great blocks but they should generally not exceed 6 months in duration. By then the IP address is typically being used by someone else.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:27, 27 July 2017 (EDT)
:OK. I will keep that in mind. I will change this vandal's block. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:46, 27 July 2017 (EDT)

== "Denkmal der Schande" ==

Björn Höcke nannte das Holocaust-Mahnmal ein "Denkmal der Schande". Zudem sprach er von einer "dämlichen Bewältigungspolitik" und forderte eine "erinnerungspolitische Wende um 180 Grad". Hinterher behauptete Höcke, er hätte den Holocaust als Schande bezeichnet. Wenn man sich nun seine Rede genau anschaut, kann er nur das Denkmal als Schande bezeichnet haben. Höcke hat offen NS-Gedankengut offenbart und dies auch gewollt. Er ist ein Agent des BRD-Systems, die zum Ziel haben, die AfD unwählbar zu machen. Dasselbe haben sie schon mit der NPD gemacht (in den 90er Jahren). Ich find's ja auch schade, dass die AfD unterwandert wurde und nicht mehr wählbar ist. Auch ich habe große Hoffnungen in sie gesetzt. Aber spätestens seit dem letzten Parteitag ist sie unwählbar, die Neo-Nazis gewannen die Oberhand, Gauland wurde Spitzenkandidat. Solange Petry keine neue Partei gründet, müssen Rechtschaffene bei der Bundestagswahl das geringste Übel wählen (z.B. die Freien Wähler oder die BüSo). Aber die AfD ist klar von NS-Agenten unterwandert und ich schrieb noch mehr in den Artikel, also lassen Sie mich zumindest Höckes Rede einfügen, dann kann sich jeder selber ein Bild machen. MfG --[[User:Elessar|Elessar]] ([[User talk:Elessar|talk]]) 10:16, 1 August 2017 (EDT)
:Grüetzi Elessar, CP ist ein Englisher website, so es ist besser wann wir in English schreiben. Ich denke dass die meisten leute heir sprechen kein Deutsch. Danke. Wass ich sage ist sehr kontrovers in Deutschland, aber, Ich probiere ein klares und gutes antwort zum geben:

:First off, many political parties have their crazy members. I know that UKIP explicitly disavows racism, but it has had some members who have said some silly things. I definitely do ''not'' believe the GOP in the U.S. is racist, but David Duke considers himself a Republican (and every other Republican disavows him). Even the Swiss People's Party in my country (I am also a U.S. citizen) has some members who have said racist things. Just because parties have members like this does not necessarily mean that the entire party is racist or whatever. In the case of Höcke's speech, Petry (the party leader, as you know) condemned what he said, or at least criticized him.

:Second, I know the mindset that the German have today. They are still ashamed for what they did during World War II, and they are still focused on trying to make restitution. Personally, I think it is good that they have repented, but they miss the fact that there are two extremes: one extreme is what the Nazis did, the other is being so ashamed bad things one did that they essentially hate their country. We see this with liberals in the United States. I think the German mindset is too far in the second extreme -- and no, I am anywhere close to being a racist or Nazi. Patriotism and nationalism can be very good things, as long as they are handled correctly and are not an excuse to persecute others. The German people, I think, are trying to extinguish them, and they have accused people, even those in the middle of those two extremes, as being Nazis.

:Let me also make clear that I have not read much about Björn Höcke's speech, other than what you provided and what his English Wikipedia article states, so I cannot comment on his entire speech and his entire character. He may very well be what you say he is. However, what I read about his speech and about him actually seems reasonable. Many peoples all over the world have done many evil things -- slavery in the U.S. and the other European colonies, the Islamic slave trade, religious persecution in Rome and the communist nations, the several genocides in history, etc. However, it is not constructive for cultures to focus on these events. It is good to remember them and repent of them, but not to obsess about them. There is much more to German history than World War II, just as there is more to U.S. history than slavery. Why can't we build monuments celebrating the positive things about our cultures and our people? It is cultural suicide not to do so. While we should not forget the bad events, we should focus on the good events and remain proud as a people in order to remain strong. This seems to me what Höcke is getting at. Am I wrong?

:Reading his Wikipedia article, I came accross this quote: "Die Syrer, die zu uns kommen, haben immer noch Syrien. Wenn wir – durch die Syrer – unser Deutschland verloren haben, dann haben wir keine Heimat mehr." I can see how in Germany this is very controversial, but I think in most other countries, this is quite reasonable. It may not be a bad thing if Syrians come, but it would mean that the German people would be in danger of disappearing, at least in a cultural sense. If someone values this (as most people of all ethnicies and nationalities do -- just ask the Poles or Hungarians), they will strongly oppose immigration.

:Am I wrong in what I am saying? Am I misrepresenting Höcke? I would appreciate some dialogue. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:18, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

::No, you aren't wrong and I too was never questioning that the "eternal fault" (electing Hitler/WW2) which is propagated by German liberals is bullshit. I only mean that Höcke was not only saying that, but he also clearly favorized the Holocaust by calling for an "erinnerungspolitische Wende um 180 Grad" and calling the Holocaust monument a "Denkmal der Schande". This speech was much criticized by Jewish organizations in Germany and Höcke was forbidden to visit Concentration Camp Memorials. He's not a single exemption, but there are unfortunately already lots of neo-Nazis or neo-Nazi sympathizers in the AfD who are all defending Höcke's speech, including Spitzenkandidat Alexander Gauland. Party leader Petry was forced by them not to participate. These (real) neo-Nazis are system agents who are overrunning the AfD like they did decades ago with the NPD in order to make these parties uneligible by conservative voters. But of course many liberals call all ''real'' conservatives "neo-Nazis" which there is nonsense. But Höcke is really a neo-Nazi and anti-semite and should be excluded together with his inner-party defenders. --[[User:Elessar|Elessar]] ([[User talk:Elessar|talk]]) 14:05, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

:::I don't understand how the "erinnerungspolitische Wende um 180 Grad" shows that Höcke is a neo-Nazi. It seems to be saying that German policy on these matters needs to change, which I also think is reasonable. The culture of shame in Germany must end -- when will Egypt build a monument mourning the Islamic slave trade, and when will Turkey build a monument mourning the Armenian Genocide? That's what I think he is saying. Am I wrong? Please explain.

:::While I am a strong supporter of Israel, I do think that many Jewish organizations in Europe and the United States are politically left-wing -- unlike the current Israeli government. The fact that they opposed Höcke's speech is unsurprising, even if he is not a neo-Nazi. Most European/American Jews support the ruling establishment's views on who is extreme and who is "moderate." And besides, Jewish organizations have their own interests. It's reasonable for them to defend monuments mourning a genocide of their own people, regardless of whether having such a monument, or at least the mindset behind it, is a good thing or not.

:::It seems to me that you are making a jump from noting what Höcke is saying to calling him a neo-Nazi. A lot of what he is saying seems reasonable, even if it is better that he watches what he says more closely, and I don't see how these comments make them neo-Nazis (I do see, however, how such comments are far outside the current German mainstream, and that they make such parties less attractive to moderate Germans). It seems to me that Höcke is a nationalist who is angry at the culture of shame in his country, which is probably the reason why it is being flooded with immigrants and weakened by the EU. Many conservatives said silly things (that sounded extremely racist) about Obama when he was U.S. President, even though those people would have voted for conservative blacks (Ben Carson, Allen West, Herman Cain) or Hispanics (Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz) in a heartbeat. Could it be that this is what Höcke is doing?

:::My last thing I want to say in this comment is not related to the above. I would like to remind you that CP is a family-friendly encyclopedia, and I think this policy also applies to talk pages. I request that you thus refrain from spelling out cuss words when making comments. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:35, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

::::Sorry about the term "b***" but I'm as angry as you about the "eternal fault" dogma. And you are completely right with most (including the Jews being too liberal in Europe), but in my opinion the quote "erinnerungspolitische Wende um 180 Grad" is like he wanted to say "The Holocaust was nothing bad" or "not so bad" or so. Like it would be Holocaust relativation. Maybe Höcke really didn't mean anything bad in his speech but then he's simply uncaring of what he says because he damages his party with such unclear statements. --[[User:Elessar|Elessar]] ([[User talk:Elessar|talk]]) 16:34, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

:::::As we disagree on his speech (even though I do think your last comment was very reasonable), I chose to move the info to another place in the article and re-word it. If you have any problems with how I re-worded it, we can discuss that as well. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:05, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

::::::Björn Höcke said in whole this: "Wir Deutschen – und ich rede jetzt nicht von euch Patrioten, die sich hier heute versammelt haben – wir Deutschen, also unser Volk, sind das einzige Volk der Welt, das sich ein Denkmal der Schande in das Herz seiner Hauptstadt gepflanzt hat." This means, not German patriots but the other Germans (liberals e.g.) have founded the Holocaust monument which he calls a Denkmal der Schande. Which means, according to him true German patriots wouldn't have built the Holocaust monument, which can be interpreted as he's pro-Holocaust. The same interpretation is open in his other quote "Wir brauchen eine erinnerungspolitische Wende um 180 Grad". Maybe he didn't want to relativate the Holocaust but he should watch out what he says, especially if his party wants to enter a coalition. A coalition with establishment parties wouldn't be bad as long as the AfD maintains its goals and gets many of them into a government program. --[[User:Elessar|Elessar]] ([[User talk:Elessar|talk]]) 01:37, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

:::::::I can see now how people think the speech was sympathizing with Nazis -- the Holocaust and WWII is a touchy topic, especially for Germans. However, I still see how what he is saying is reasonable. Turkey, for example, is not going to build a monument for the Armenian Genocide anytime soon, Russia is not going to build a monument for the many Baltic peoples they killed during WWII, and Japan is not going to build any monument for the millions of people they killed, including concentration camp prisoners.

:::::::I do know that there are two AfD factions: one that has a goal of becoming a coalition party, and the other that wants to remain an anti-establishment party. Höcke is clearly part of the latter, while Petry is in the former. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:31, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

::::::::The AfD can remain an anti-establishment party and anyway be part of a government coalition, like the Austrian [[FPÖ]] which also seeks being part in coalitions (and already is in two states) and remains loyal to all of its positions. --[[User:Elessar|Elessar]] ([[User talk:Elessar|talk]]) 14:09, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

:::::::::Fair enough, but you get the point: there are two factions in the party on the best way foreward for the party. One of them support coalition agreements and the other side is less pragmatic in this regard. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:23, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

==Brexit==
Hi - not sure why you changed my edits on the BREXIT page - I tried to provide an accurate account of what is happening and what is being reported by many news outlets --unsigned comment by HORSEMAN
:Hello "HORSEMAN", I removed the info about the potential referendums because this was just speculation that died down. I also thought that some of your wording (such as the "full complexity and impacts of BREXIT become apparent" and by removing the mention of the EU being obstructionist) seemed to insert a left-of-center bias into the article. CP is a conservative encyclopedia, and we align firmly with Brexit and Euroskepticism. However, I will see if I can re-add some of your wording. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:31, 10 August 2017 (EDT)
::Another problem is that for the part about the proposed payments and EU citizen rights, you did not provide sources. The existing info already had a source, and you changed the info while keeping the source. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:35, 10 August 2017 (EDT)
:::Hi Again, would this link suffice http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-17-2001_en.htm It is the definitive statement from the EU negotiating team and sets out the negotiating agenda. Thanks Horseman
::::You can definitely cite the source, but do you also have third party sources as well? I see nothing in the EU source about the monetary amount of the settlement. We prefer sources with conservative editorial stances. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:57, 10 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::Is this syitable, I don't pay for Telegraph articles so only have this link. Thanks Horseman
::::::The Telegraph is one of numerous conservative news organizations. Besides, their non-commentary articles are free for viewing. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:13, 10 August 2017 (EDT)

==[[Margaret Sanger]] revision that you undid==
Hi 1990'sguy,

Is there a way to reword what I wrote in such a way that it could be considered "encyclopedic"?

Thanks,
[[User:Bluedogdemocrat|Bluedogdemocrat]] ([[User talk:Bluedogdemocrat|talk]]) 22:59, 18 August 2017 (EDT)
:You could write "Planned Parenthood eventually expanded to support the form of murder known as abortion." Something like that. We should keep the wording encyclopedic, as this is not a blog or anything like that. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:05, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

== Re: Block of TimJim ==

Sorry about that, I wasn't aware you had already blocked TimJim when I blocked him, so I reset the block length back to that of your original block. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 22:45, 19 August 2017 (EDT)

== Article move request ==

Hi I'd be happy to move those articles you are requesting, but as you know, I cannot avoid the creation of redirects. Let me know if you want this, but hopefully you can get it done the right way. It's also probably easier to ask for a move than a delete. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:43, 21 August 2017 (EDT)
:I appreciate your offer, David, but I think it would be better if I keep it simple for Andy, rather than explain that the articles were moved and that he only has to delete the redirect -- having one person do it is more simple. Thanks anyway! :) --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:46, 21 August 2017 (EDT)
::Agreed...okay. I didn't want to cut in and disrupt things, but just thought I'd offer. Cheers! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:49, 21 August 2017 (EDT)
:::I do appreciate your offer, David. Thanks! It looks like Andy just moved the articles. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:50, 21 August 2017 (EDT)

==Contact==
You can email me at wirepaladin36@gmail.com [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 11:22, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

==snoopy2==
1990s guy, I just want to verify u could read the Theistic ev. entry and 1994 film clip on my user talk. any comments?
:I could watch it, but would you please explain what it's about in a little more detail? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:55, 11 December 2017 (EST)

== Maybe I was too pessimistic. Good news ==

'''Why [[Democrats]] Should Be''' Losing Sleep Over Generation Z.[https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleystahl/2017/08/11/why-democrats-should-be-losing-sleep-over-generation-z/]

Bye for now. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:47, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks for the article. Bye for now. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

== File comparison tool ==

Did Cons ever get back to you with the comparison tool? I'm curious about it, and whether it does a good job of checking for copied content. The problems that it appears to solve are different from the problems of comparison tools used in software development. I'm curious about whether it uses line hashing, sentence hashing, word group hashing, and things like that. I'd like to try it out, and not just at CP. In fact, probably not at all for CP; I'm not interested in who plagiarizes what at CP, though, when I am, I use other techniques to catch people. I'm just curious as to whether those other techniques have been automated.

It's puzzling that Cons deleted the screenshot, as though he ''wants'' people to believe he's a liar, though I don't think he is.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 14:57, 12 September 2017 (EDT)
:I can assure you that the tool exists. I have not tried it yet and thus cannot answer your question. I have no reason to try it as JDano's essays were deleted, so I recommend that you ask Conservative directly these things. Maybe he will share it with you. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:23, 12 September 2017 (EDT)

::Great!! I'm still very much interested in it. Is it a "cloud app"? Is it a downloadable app that I can run locally on my own computer? Can you send me a URL?
::By the way, the standard wiki comparison of your last edit to the [[Guy Verhofstadt]] article, just as a random example, shows how bad text comparers can be. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 17:40, 13 September 2017 (EDT)
:::You are going to have to ask Conservative for the details of the tool -- he told me not to give it away to anyone, and while I personally have no problem with sharing it with you, I shouldn't go against what he said. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:43, 13 September 2017 (EDT)
::::Well, this is really weird. Cons seems to be trying to censor the internet itself, hiding the location of this tool. And he seems to think that only you can be trusted with it. He said "I will share this tool with 1990sguy [...] so he can evaluate your [JDano's] efforts in an objective way." I of course took this as a challenge. A Google search for "similar page checker tool" gets a number of hits. Ignoring the ones that cost a lot of money, and those that attempt to check a given page against the entire internet, narrowed it down to a few. This one: [https://www.duplichecker.com/similar-page-checker.php] seems to be the right thing. It's a "cloud app" rather than an installable program, but I can put up with that. It has the same appearance—color and layout—as the screenshot that Cons posted and removed. I ran it on the versions of this page before and after your recent reply to me, and it said they were 100% the same. I'm not particularly happy about that, but the additional text was only about 0.3 percent of the total, so I suppose I can accept that. Then I ran it on versions that differ in length by 10% (the 100K version and the 110K version.) It said they were 98% similar. Not good. But I still might find it to be a useful tool. There are pages not relating to JDano that could benefit from such an analysis.

::::I will probably check in with Cons on this, once he stays away from CP for 10 days.

::::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:39, 13 September 2017 (EDT)

==Getting help==
I am trying to fix the stuff on the Corporate bullies page. Am still learning my way around on how to use things. Think I am starting to get it though. The Georgia 2016 stuff has a lot of info and I am in the process of editing it, though it's going to take a while (at least 20 or more minutes. I'm trying though. (BTW, if I wasn't supposed to edit here, sorry. I don't know how to reply to your remark otherwise.) [[User:PatriotMongoose|PatriotMongoose]] ([[User talk:PatriotMongoose|talk]]) 22:31, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
:It's OK to edit here. I recommend that you read CP's guidelines, and probably more importantly, that you read [[Help:How to edit a website like Conservapedia]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:34, 15 September 2017 (EDT)

==Fabulous block and reverts==

Fabulous block and reverts this afternoon!!!! Well done!!!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 18:51, 21 September 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks, Andy! :) --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:52, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

== re: JohnZ ==

User: JohnZ fails to recognize that my interest to be a referee to protect a marginal online sparring partner (whose greatest achievement was his dogged stubbornness to ignore facts/evidence) was largely protected by his edits to main space articles and my desire for an online sparring partner.

His rudeness to other editors and his desire to barely skate by with his main space edits certainly did not help matters. In addition, given the [[decline of the atheist movement]] and it now being a hopeless cause destined to ever increasing irrelevance, my desire for an atheist online sparring partner is non-existent at this point given my current/future priorities.

If he wants to create two quality, well-sourced original articles of at least 2,00 words on these topics [[Anti-religious Soviet Union propaganda]] and [[Christian persecution in communist China]] to restore his other editing privileges, that is what is required.

He would also have to pledge to refrain from hurling insults to other editors (idiot, etc.). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:01, 3 November 2017 (EDT)

:Hopefully he'll do it. We've given him these opportunities before and he rejected them. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:18, 3 November 2017 (EDT)
::I made a minor adjustment to his requirements for fully restoring his editing privileges in case someone creates articles on those subjects.

::Secondly, ardent secular leftists generally always double down regardless of any contrary facts/evidence presented to them. Of course, you never know what is going to happen. The Apostle Paul went from being one of Christianity's chief opponents to being its greatest champion. He will just need to be open minded.

::It is very widely recognized that there is and has been religious persecution in communist China and that there was anti-religious propaganda in the former Soviet Union. So I am giving him ample opportunity to show that he is not a close-minded individual given to hurling insults. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:31, 3 November 2017 (EDT)

I would say no to this for a couple reasons. The first is his blatant disrespect of everyone here, and he has shown that multiple times. The gist of it is a pretense of superiority over us, as if it is mandatory that we listen to him; he stated a short time ago that some of us are idiots for not engaging him in conversation. Which I might add is his kind of conversation.

The second reason is that he's a leftist brand of liberal from Great Britain, which means we cannot change his way of thinking whatsoever. Unfortunately for someone who is that close-minded he is going to go into lock-step with every other like-minded individual in his country, which would mean the loss of the United Kingdom as a political entity within a few years time. In his case, he is more concerned with picking a fight with the users of a small American conservative website then he is with what he and his kind are allowing to happen in Britain, namely the Islamic takeover. As a leftist, he probably feels he can get along with them in the name of diversity and multiculturalism, but when all is said and done he will either be forced on his hands and knees with his butt high in the air, or he'll have his head chopped off.

Unfortunately, some people think they're so better than others that they've blinded themselves to what they're actually doing. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 04:35, 4 November 2017 (EDT)
:Karajou, if you look at my comment to his talk page, you will see that I am giving him an opportunity to show that he can be open-minded and reasonable by writing on two topics related to atheistic communism persecution of Christians/religious (namely [[Christian persecution in communist China]] and [[Anti-religious propaganda in the Soviet Union]]) via two quality articles of at least 2,000 words.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:38, 4 November 2017 (EDT)

== Anti-Christian bias in Wikipedia ==

Hello 1990'sguy. Am I being hypersensitive or is Wikipedia's anti-Christian bias increasing? For example, the recent dispute about content at Answers in Genesis.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAnswers_in_Genesis&type=revision&diff=810473662&oldid=810471171] I see also that User:Synthetic Woolly Mammoth[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Synthetic_Woolly_Mammoth] has just been blocked, allegedly for being a sockpuppet of Biscuittin, but more likely because he has been speaking up in support of some Christian editors. [[User:Desmonduk|Desmonduk]] ([[User talk:Desmonduk|talk]]) 05:27, 20 November 2017 (EST)
:I know another editor who has extensively edited topics related to Christianity and atheism on WP, and he told me that the ati-Christian bias on the site was much worse back around 2012. The militant atheists don't have as much power as they did back then. However, the anti-Christian bias obviously is still very bad, especially on YEC topics, which I have been dealing with for years already. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:20, 20 November 2017 (EST)

== Block length ==

Thanks for your alert block of new user "CPishilarious", but I'm going to change the block duration from 2 years to 1 month. Long blocks are disfavored on wikis because they block the IP address as well as the user. The IP address could be a library or other general access IP address, or the user could move or be a college student, or the user could have a change of heart. But thanks again for your quick action.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:11, 20 November 2017 (EST)
:OK, and you're welcome. I have seen blocked vandals come back with their same accounts after their blocks expire, so I wanted to protect against that. But I will shorten blocks like these in the future. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:54, 21 November 2017 (EST)
::Thanks so much for your alert block this morning, but again the block duration is too long. Another user could be trying to use that same IP address within a few months, or the user himself could have a change of heart. I'll shorten it to 4 months. Thanks!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:25, 4 December 2017 (EST)
:::Andy, it feels like I'm the only editor you're messaging about block length, ''even though my blocks are much shorter than most other editors.'' For example, just yesterday, I blocked two accounts for six months for having a silly username and for (relatively) non-serious vandalism, but shortly later, DMorris reset the blocks for 5 years. See here: [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Bernieman][http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Hillary_clinton] If you're going (for good reason) to message me for my blocks, please do the same for the other editors who prefer even longer blocks. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:33, 4 December 2017 (EST)
:::But yes, I will still shorten my blocks. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:36, 4 December 2017 (EST)

== Suggested article ==

Here is an article suggestion:

*[[Donald Trump and evangelicals]]

I think there would be public interest in such an article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:20, 9 December 2017 (EST)
:Thanks. If I get time, I will start this article. I will add it to my list of articles to create. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:16, 9 December 2017 (EST)

== Two things ==

For one, why do you not have email enabled? Secondly, consider longer blocks for these obviously malicious accounts. You can block an account for infinity and the autoblock on the IP still only lasts 24 hours. There is no reason for these sleeper accounts to come back to life three months later. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 16:19, 13 December 2017 (EST)

:In his defense, he was doing longer blocks until [[User_talk:1990'sguy#Block_length|Andy started asking him not too]], then [[User_talk:1990'sguy#Block_length_2|reminded him again]]. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:25, 13 December 2017 (EST)

::Yes, for crying out loud, why am I the only one being criticized for my block lengths? If I make my block lengths long, Andy posts on my talk page, and if I make my block lengths shorter, DMorris posts on my talk page.

::DMorris, please talk to Andy about this. I will continue making my blocks on the shorter side until your differing opinions are sorted out.

::About my email, I have my email address posted on my user page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:46, 13 December 2017 (EST)

== Articles of the year: 2017 - your article is being featured on the main page (left side) ==

*[[Donald Trump achievements]]

*[[European migrant crisis]]

*[[Atheists and genetic mutations]]

Keep up the good work.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
:Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:12, 24 December 2017 (EST)

== Nationalism v Globalism ==

I went ahead and added a link to the Gardner article on the Nationalism v Globalism article for you. I figured since we were referencing it, it would be good to see the original article too.--[[User:Whizkid|Whizkid]] ([[User talk:Whizkid|talk]]) 23:52, 7 January 2018 (EST)
:Thanks! I already saw and added it to other articles where I mentioned Gardner. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:53, 7 January 2018 (EST)

==Homeschooling==
I deleted the paragraph on Texas requirements (which I originally added) since it was duplicative of the information I added from HSLDA (which covers all 50 states) regarding state requirements. I left the New Hampshire one since it involved a court imposing its will on a family in violation of state law.

I'm glad you liked my original work, but after finding something better and covering more than just one state, I amended my original work. Though after your comments, I revised it to explain that another state court (Texas) made homeschooling far easier than before. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 17:22, 29 January 2018 (EST)

:Thanks. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:27, 29 January 2018 (EST)

==Deep State==
I will agree with your removal of the word "theory", but I did add the phrase "(or are believed to control)" because there are many conservative Christians who are not totally convinced that the deep state really exists. I believe my edits will be a happy medium between those who hold to the deep state view and those who do not. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 15:11, 30 January 2018 (EST)
:I kept most of your "is believed/considered" wording (except for the first sentence, which is unnecessary as the first sentence already makes clear that "deep state" is a term and not necessarily reality. I found most of your other changes to be too wordy and unnecessary, so I reverted some of it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:04, 30 January 2018 (EST)
::I looked at your revisions and all you did was revert to your original article, with a few minor edits to try to convince me that you really took my suggestions into consideration. Basically what you did to the article is like putting wood filler and new paint on a house with termite rot. I've dealt with folks like you over on "the other site", who think that once they write an article, it's perfect and can't accept any changes to it. I'm not going to waste time with this one any more; clearly you're trying to espouse tinfoil hat conspiracy theory under the guise of "Christian conservatism". [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 09:22, 31 January 2018 (EST)
:::Much of your changes involved inserting parenthetical notes, which I think made the article more bloated than it had to be. The "or are believed to control" phrase in the first sentence was simply unnecessary and overemphasized your disbelief in the deep state. The part about Wall Street was cited to a good research article, so I don't think we need the "is believed" language for that. But I will still see if I can incorporate more of your edits.
:::About the existence of the deep state, it and the drive for one-world government are things that should be common and uncontroversial knowledge -- but people (both supporters and detractors) "conspiracize" these things and that's how accusations of me wearing a tinfoil hat come about. Look at the evidence -- most of our society (except theologically conservative Christians, most of them probably being premillennialist) accept the Idea of Progress, adopted during the Enlightenment Era. They believe that humanity is progressing for the better, and that this will lead to a one-world utopia with world peace and freedom for humanity (read Kant, for example). Thus, they believe that national identity, subsidiarity, and national sovereignty are growing useless and antiquated and actually are impediments to this utopia. This flows into their policies -- advancing international organizations, taking away national sovereignty, etc. As for the deep state, just look at the whole DOJ/FBI stuff going on right now, or the fact that Republicans and Democrats hire administration personnel from the same group of organizations -- CFR, Trilateral, etc.
:::The garbage that there is some secret conspiracy by liberals to take over the world, that their motives are malevolent, that they want to do evil, that this is a short-term project, and that the Illuminati is involved with all this -- this is all garbage perfectly fit for "the other site". In reality, the drive for a one-world utopia is one of the fundamental philosophical views in our culture, and liberals openly see it as natural/normal/benign (and they're in it for the long haul). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:04, 31 January 2018 (EST)

== Suggested Name Change for [[Christmas and Easter Catholic]] ==
I propose changing this to "Christmas and Easter Christian", since the phenomenon of persons attending church on those days is by no means limited to Catholics. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 16:17, 30 January 2018 (EST)
:I disagree. I recommend that a separate article entitled "Christmas and Easter Christian" be created -- C&E Catholicism is a notable concept on its own right, enough to have its own article. I think an article on C&E Christianity in general would be a good addition. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:07, 30 January 2018 (EST)
::What's the difference? Both are the same phenomenon -- "so-called" Christian believers who attend only during those two holidays (or weddings and funerals). The current article is fine, it just needs to be revised to not pick on one branch of Christianity. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 09:17, 31 January 2018 (EST)
:::I've heard Roman Catholics specifically mentioned much more than other Christians when hearing about this "phenomenon." But I will ask another editor of his opinion on this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:32, 31 January 2018 (EST)

==Campaign promises==
Hello,

The thought occurred to me that Wikipedia does not normally catalog campaign promises.(It never has, that I have seen) Elections there follow a formula of "what did they actually do after getting elected" and election results - which is both boring and completely useless, because we have a big problem with people running for office one way and then governing another way. This leaves a glaring hole of accountability with all of our politicians and it also offers us an opportunity to distinguish ourselves from Wikipedia. What do you think about this? I made a few changes [[Bruce Rauner|here]] as an example start. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 15:00, 4 February 2018 (EST)
:I think your suggestion is a great idea -- we have too many politicians who make really great promises during election campaigns, but they later act like they never even made those promises. When Rauner and his GOP primary opponent (Jeanne Ives) sat down with the ''Chicago Tribune'' editorial board a few days ago, Rauner said that he never promised he would veto a major pro-abortion bill that he ultimately signed (he actually explicitly promised he would multiple times).[http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/30/jeanne-ives-crushes-gop-gov-bruce-rauner-illinois-candidates-meet-first-time/][http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/31/conservative-jeanne-ives-rips-il-gov-bruce-rauner-abortion-flip-flop/]
:I can also think of Sen. Thom Tillis of NC who campaigned against amnesty in 2014 and is now advocating for a "conservative" amnesty bill (though it's inferior to the Goodlatte bill).
:I support your suggestion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 4 February 2018 (EST)

== FPÖ ==

Hi, I just wanted to ask you why you have removed [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Freedom_Party_of_Austria&diff=1403167&oldid=1403166 my entry] on the article of the Freedom Party of Austria. The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kreisky%E2%80%93Peter%E2%80%93Wiesenthal_affair Kreisky–Peter–Wiesenthal affair] is an important event in the history of this party that should not be discreeted.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] ([[User talk:JoeyJ|talk]]) 09:41, 7 February 2018 (EST)
:First off, the info was inserted right in the middle of a paragraph discussing the FPO's ideological development and alliance with the SPO. Your info was out of place.
:Second, the info was unduly wordy. I am sick of seeing the media and leftists do everything in their power to tie right-wing conservative parties like the FPO to Nazi Germany, such as by unduly emphasizing those aspects of the parties and calling them "far-right", "extreme right", "ultra-right", etc. By American conservative standards, these parties are actually quite moderate, and for those of us who realize that Nazism is a vastly overrated threat (placed alongside climate change by the Left), such parties have clearly moved away from their pasts.
:I don't want our articles to accept the left-wing narratives of these right-wing populist parties. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:50, 7 February 2018 (EST)
::Well, all the informations I have put in the article were confirmed with trustworthy sources. [[Simon Wiesenthal]] who accused the FPÖ leader Friedrich Peter of being part in a unit which committed massacres against jews, was himself a Conservative. Wiesenthal supported the (at that time very conservative) Austrian People's Party. So it is not easy to label his accusations as "left-wing narratives". I am also pretty sure that the Conservative government of Israel does not spread "left-wing propaganda" if they criticize the party for its charged history. Instead of simply removing facts from the article, you might emphasize how the FPÖ moved away from its past.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] ([[User talk:JoeyJ|talk]]) 10:01, 7 February 2018 (EST)
:::Israel is a Jewish state, so issues related to the Holocaust are sensitive to them. But as much as I support Israel and its right-wing government, Israel's position toward the FPO is irrational, and they are unduly obsessed with Nazism like Western Europe is. Israel's opinion on the FPO means very little because of the context -- it's easy to offend Israel on matters like this.
:::About Wiesenthal, I don't know anything about him, but him supporting the OVP does not mean much to me. If the party were "very conservative", why did it support the EU, Maastricht Treaty, Schengen Agreement, etc.
:::And yes, these are the narratives promoted by the Left, the establishment, and the media. These are the same people who were comparing Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler during the election campaign and who tried to smear Breitbart News as anti-Semite (despite loads of evidence to the contrary), among many other cases. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:17, 7 February 2018 (EST)
::::Just because these "narratives" are promoted by the Left it does not mean that they are wrong. I can ensure you that Simon Wiesenthal was never a supporter of left-wing policies. As I already told you it would be better to emphasize the current measures by Strache to reappraise the controversial history of this party instead of denying it.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] ([[User talk:JoeyJ|talk]]) 11:20, 8 February 2018 (EST)
:::::They're wrong -- they overemphasize every small and petty incident related to parties like the FPO that allude to Nazi Germany. Their point in doing so is to make it seem like that if we elect these people/parties into power (including Donald Trump), we'll be repeating 1933 all over again and will usher in the end of freedom in Europe -- never mind that Germany is still enforcing the Nazi ban on homeschooling, or that many Western European countries have free speech restrictions even on topics like Islam and homosexuality, or etc. Conservapedia will not go along with the media -- we acknowledge that parties like the FPO are conservative and/or right-wing (not "far-right" or "neo-Nazi") and the best choice in order to protect/expand freedom and protect European culture/patriotism. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:58, 8 February 2018 (EST)

== request ==

Can you create this article: [[Donald Trump's major achievements]]? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:39, 9 February 2018 (EST)
:This seems like a good idea, and I will do it. I won't do it immediately, since I have a lot of other things to do, but I will create it soon. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:54, 9 February 2018 (EST)
::OK. Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:18, 9 February 2018 (EST)

I'm very sorry about the article. If it make you feel like a advertisement. However, everything that is state is true. Thank you for your understanding. Pleased assist by make any corrections. That you think is necessary. When your time is most convenient.

Your brother in Christ,
Luke
:Thanks for your message, but the article I deleted is not acceptable for Conservapedia. There is nothing I can do to change that, unless you receive coverage from good sources (Breitbart, Fox, etc.). I'm keeping the other article for now, since it's one I can imagine keeping, but I'm discussing it with other editors to see what to ultimately do about it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:00, 21 February 2018 (EST)

Could you add some categories to my page please? [[User:Willow Smith|Willow Smith]] ([[User talk:Willow Smith|talk]]) 11:26, 22 February 2018 (EST)

==Response to your complaints==
From what appears EVERY time someone creates a new page or edits an existing one:

"Please note that all contributions to Conservapedia may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then do not submit it here."

If the real rule is "any contributions by Conservapedia administrators -- no matter how good, bad, or ugly they may be -- are fixed for all time and never to be altered", then make that the rule. But don't invite someone to improve things, then complain because they do. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 10:26, 6 March 2018 (EST)
:Your bolding does not improve things. Also, nobody reverted your turning pages into redirects -- it's just a good idea to let people know before making major unilateral changes. If your complaint is that I'm messaging you about these things, then you have no real complaint at all. If you make edits here, you (like I was, and still am to an extent) are bound to be messaged about these things, which other editors do with the intention of improving others' editing. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:37, 6 March 2018 (EST)

::Additionally, administrators and editors alike must watch the activity of others, especially newer editors. A few people have the hobby of trying to vandalize CP in any way possible, so excuse us if we sound cynical or obstinate, but some "new users" are actually just the same vandals as always. Since we don't really know you yet, we do our best to assume good intent, but can't afford to ignore what seems to be odd behavior.
::I'm sure you'll do fine, if you just listen to the recommendations of others and keep improving content. Thank you for your efforts, and for understanding! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:16, 6 March 2018 (EST)

==Thank you for the intro==
Just wanted to say thank you for the welcome! PS--Do you know what an eagle does when a storm approaches? [[User:Bcarlin|Bcarlin]] ([[User talk:Bcarlin|talk]]) 20:34, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

LifeWay Christian Stores

2018-03-21T22:29:28Z

Bcarlin: amend category to new Southern Baptist one

'''LifeWay Christian Stores''' is a chain of Christian bookstores. They have (as of 2018) over stores throughout the [[United States]]. They are one of the two largest Christian bookstore chains along with [[Mardel]].

LifeWay is a division of LifeWay Christian Resources, a ministry of the [[Southern Baptist Convention]] which also publishes religious materials (notably the [[Holman Christian Standard Bible]]) and operates the Ridgecrest Conference Center in North Carolina. LifeWay was started in 1891 as the "Sunday School Board of the Southern Baptist Convention". The Board started opening retail outlets in 1925 under the name "Baptist Book Store". In 1971 they began to use the LifeWay name on some products and on a few of their stores, as by that time their offerings had expanded beyond SBC-published materials. In 1998 the Board officially changed its official name and rebranded all of its stores as LifeWay Christian Stores.<ref>https://www.lifeway.com/en/about/history</ref>

Although LifeWay sells books and other materials by authors who are not Baptist, it maintains a policy of only selling materials which are in agreement with traditional Christian beliefs, and has not hesitated to cease doing business with authors who do not; for example, in 2016 it discontinued selling books by liberal Christian author Jen Hatmaker after she publicly endorsed [[same-sex marriage]].<ref>http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2016/october/lifeway-stops-selling-jen-hatmaker-books-lgbt-beliefs-chris.html</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
[http://www.lifeway.com/ LifeWay Christian Stores]

[[Category:Southern Baptists]]
[[Category:Retail]]

Autonomy

2018-03-21T22:28:08Z

Bcarlin: alternate meaning in religious terms

'''Autonomy''' is [[independence]] or [[freedom]], and especially the right of [[government|self-government]]. Many countries have fought for autonomy from more powerful countries, most notably the [[United States]] against [[Britain]] in 1776-83.

The term is also used in religious circles, especially within denominations organized under a [[Congregationalist]] or cooperative structure (such as the [[Southern Baptist Convention]]), whereby each congregation is autonomous and independent of every other congregation, and further is so in respect to the denomination's governing body (and may associate with, or disassociate from, the denomination at will). This is in contrast to denominations such as the [[Roman Catholic Church]] or the [[Episcopal Church]], where all congregations are subordinate to the hierarchy.

==See also==
*[[Sovereignty]]

[[Category:Political Terms]]

Southern Baptist Convention

2018-03-21T22:23:06Z

Bcarlin: /* Conservatives vs Moderates */

The '''Southern Baptist Convention (SBC)''' is the largest organization of [[Baptists]] in the world, the second-largest denomination in the United States (behind Roman Catholicism) and the largest Protestant denomination in the United States.

It has over 16 million members in 42,000 churches across America, with greatest strength in the South.<ref>There are four other national denominations (excluding [[Independent Baptist]]s who do not organize into formal denominations): [[American Baptist Churches USA|American Baptist Churches]] (strongest in the North), National Baptist Convention (African Americans, strong in the South and northern cities), the Conservative Baptist Association, and the Progressive National Baptist Convention (a more liberal body of African Americans, strong in the South and northern cities).</ref> It also sponsors 10,000 missionaries in 157 countries. It holds 41 state conventions and one national convention annually, and in recent years it tends to identify with [[Conservative Christianity|conservative Christian]] values and supports Biblical [[inerrancy]]. Insistence on baptism by immersion, as it is presented in the Bible, fulfills the twin symbolism of washing from sin and of death and rebirth, as well as pointing to the Baptists' conviction that Scripture is the complete and sufficient basis of the Christian faith, and is also mandatory to become a church member.

Leonard (2000) explores the bitter internal divisions within the SBC since 1979. Conflict between fundamentalist and moderate factions at the national level has continued to impact state conventions, Baptist associations, and local congregations. Important recent changes include the establishment of relationships with Independent Baptists and other ethnic and racial groups, the emergence of mega-churches with very powerful ministers and multimillion-dollar budgets (and which often downplay any ties they may have to the denomination), the reorganization of stewardship programs, and the founding of new theological schools.<ref>Bill J. Leonard, "Baptists in the South: a New Connectionalism." ''American Baptist Quarterly'' 2000 19(3): 208-221.</ref>

Southern Baptists are facing a membership decline that could shrink the nation's largest Protestant denomination by nearly half in 40 years, its convention president Rev. Johnny Hunt, warned in June 2009.<ref>Dylan T. Lovan, "Southern Baptist Convention opens in Kentucky," [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gLeJCkvML4zZQ0aAUjlwP_Vthi5wD990LDD03 Associated Press Jun 23, 2009]</ref>

==History==
American Baptists emerged in the 18th century with bases in Rhode Island, Virginia and Pennsylvania. Influenced by the [[First Great Awakening]] they adopted [[revival]]s. By 1800-1830 they were major participants in the [[Second Great Awakening]]. Most historians view these evangelicals as radicals who were on society's fringe during the colonial period, only to become conservative by the nineteenth century after they had achieved social acceptance.<ref>But for an alternative view see Janet Moore Lindman, ''Bodies of Belief: Baptist Community in Early America'' (2008)</ref>
===Growth===
The denomination grew very rapidly throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, becoming the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S. by the 1870s. After 1945 it began to expand outside the South, first to the western states then to the north. Patterson (1979) attributes the growth of Southern Baptists since the 18th century, apart from sociological, demographic, and cultural influences, to religious factors:
#heritage of the revival emphasis
#denominational pride growing out of Landmark exclusiveness
#development of efficient and adaptable denominational organizations
#sense of denominational loyalty
#massive program of tuition-free theological education
#dispersion of Southern Baptists across the United States
#a gift for organizing and promoting programs and methods to share the gospel in a more effective way.
By 1955 the SBC counted 8,200,000 members, and were baptising an average 1,000 new members a day. The 30,000 affiliated churches reached 24 states, but were still heavily concentrated in the South. Local churches were worth $1.2 billion, up from $276 million in 1945. Yearly contributions reached $305 million. Sunday school membership was 6,400,000. The denomination supported 30 colleges and universities, 22 junior colleges, six seminaries, eight academies and four Bible schools. Most were still small and the total enrollment was only 50,080. They ran 33 hospitals and 23 magazines.<ref>"The Oldtime Religion," [http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,893230,00.html ''Time'' Dec. 05, 1955]</ref>

===20th century===
The dominant leader in the early 20th century was [[Edgar Young Mullins]]. He led the SBC between 1899 and 1928 and was successful at mediating theological, political, and organizational conflicts within among Baptists. He was a theologian as well, and synthesized theology and democratic political thought in his writings.<ref>H. Clark Maddux, ''Edgar Young Mullins and Evangelical Developments in the Southern Baptist Convention." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1998 33(2): 62-73.</ref> Another major Baptist clergyman was [[George W. Truett]], the pastor from 1897 to 1944 of the First Baptist Church of [[Dallas]], [[Texas]], which for a time was considered the largest congregaqtion in the world. Truett headed the SBC from 1927 to 1929 and the Baptist World Alliance from 1934 to 1939.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www2.baylor.edu/baylorproud/2017/05/george-w-truett-a-texas-baptist-and-baylor-legend/|title=George W. Truett: A Texas, Baptist, and Baylor legend|publisher=Baylor.edu|date=May 4, 2017|accessdate=March 20, 2018}}</ref>

The [[Great Depression]] of the 1930s was a hard blow for most churches, for they were based in impoverished rural areas and money was very scarce. Prosperity returned with World War II, especially with heavy migration to Southern cities (and some western cities like Los Angeles as well), where high paying jobs were plentiful. Affluence came in the 1960s, but meanwhile careful stewards rebuilt the financial base. For example, Avery Hamilton Reid, executive secretary of the Alabama Baptist State Convention during 1944-62, resolved the convention's financial crisis. He led fund-raising drives, established the Advance Programs to improve Howard and Judson colleges, built handsome, modern new churches, and increase membership. Reid oversaw the building of a new headquarters for the convention and removed from the convention's budget hospitals taking federal grant money for construction.<ref>George E. Bagley, "Avery Hamilton Reid," ''Alabama Baptist Historian'' 1996 32(1): 9-29. 0002-4147</ref>

===Fighting Sin===
Religious leaders in the South were theologically conservative, but most denominations supported the [[Social Gospel]]. The Southern Baptists strongly supported some of the main Social Gospel campaigns, especially against liquor and saloons and sexual slavery. The spirit of today's campaigns against abortion very closely resemble the language and rhetoric and organizing techniques of the prohibition campaigns. The Southern churches were also active opponents of prostitution, obscenity and gambling, and they aligned with like minded politicians like [[Alben Barkley]] of Kentucky (who later became Truman's vice president). Most of the state Baptist conventions had "Christian Life Commissions" that echoed the Social Gospel (they were especially active in Alabama and Virginia).

Few local SBC ministers considered issues related to the labor movement until 1930-50, long after Northern Protestant denominations had taken pro-union positions. In 1930, ayt the start of the [[Great Depression]], the SBC issued a statement supporting workers' rights, yet focusing on evangelization as a means of spiritual redemption that would offer relief from the problems of industrialization, rather than proposing structural solutions. The convention's 1938 report was largely drafted in response to fears of communism, urging capital and labor to cooperate to safeguard American political order. Steeped in the patriotism accompanying World War II, convention leaders' 1944 statement looked to the principles of democracy and Christian morality as panaceas for tense industrial relations. Amid postwar [[Congress of Industrial Organizations]] (CIO) drives to unionize Southern textile unions—drives that failed—SBC statements from 1946 to 1948 targeted the dangers of consumerism and decried an increasing polarization of unions and management, arguing that individuals must concentrate on the Kingdom of God and not substitute their personal spirituality with secular group solidarity.<ref>H. B. Cavalcanti, "God and Labor in the South: Southern Baptists and The Right to Unionize, 1930-1950." ''Journal of Church and State'' 1998 40(3): 639-660.</ref>

===Missionaries===
In 1888, the Southern Baptist Convention created the Woman's Missionary Union, which in the early 21st century continued to function as an umbrella group coordinating the activities of local groups. The Laymen's Missionary Movement was founded by the Southern Baptist Convention in 1907, quickly followed by state groups such as the Alabama Baptist Laymen in 1908. These brotherhood organizations have championed evangelism, charitable giving, and fraternal brotherhood.
===Ending segregation===
Newman (1999) explores the changing attitudes of the Georgia Baptist Convention and Georgia Southern Baptists toward desegregation. He identifies three phases: during 1945-53 the state convention defended segregation and urged equalization of facilities in order to stave off desegregation; during 1954-58 the convention urged Baptists to respond calmly to desegregation
rulings and to abide by law and order; from 1959 on the convention called for support of the public schools during a period when the state legislature planned to close all the schools if any desegregated. John Jeter Hurt, Jr., and Jack U. Harwell, who successively edited the Baptist weekly magazine ''The Christian Index'' during the 1950s-1960s, exercised a moderate and eventually progressive influence. By 1980 most Georgia Southern Baptists rejected segregation and accepted African Americans in their schools and churches.<ref>Mark Newman, "The Georgia Baptist Convention and Desegregation, 1945-1980." ''Georgia Historical Quarterly'' 1999 83(4): 683-711.</ref> Newman (2001) examines the more hard-line approach of the Louisiana Baptist Convention, the state's largest Protestant denomination and the dominant religious group in the northern part of Louisiana. It endorsed segregation and barred black church membership during 1954-80. Many Southern Baptists were less firmly committed to maintaining segregation than the actions of their convention would suggest. A majority of Baptists, the moderate segregationists, accepted the demise of [[Jim Crow]] and racial segregation in the mid 1960s as the price of maintaining public school education and because attempts to maintain it conflicted with their commitment to law and order.<ref>Mark Newman, "The Louisiana Baptist Convention and Desegregation, 1954-1980." ''Louisiana History'' 2001 42(4): 389-418.</ref> By contrast, the Florida Baptist Convention's took a much more moderate stand on racial desegregation of the state's schools from 1954 to 1980. While initially reluctant in accepting the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision, W. G. Stracener, editor of the ''Florida Baptist Witness,'' and other leaders of the state convention urged Florida Baptists to oppose efforts to circumvent desegregation because of their "primary commitments to scripture, evangelism, law and order, peace, and public education."<ref>Mark Newman, "The Florida Baptist Convention and Desegregation, 1954-1980." ''Florida Historical Quarterly'' 1999 78(1): 1-22.</ref>

The SBC's Christian Life Commission, established in 1948, aroused
controversy when it supported integration during the civil rights movement under the direction of Foy Valentine, and it continues to be a voice of conscience within the SBC under the current head, Richard D. Land, who has led the commission since 1988. Land has said his idea is, "America in 1955 without the racism and without the sexual discrimination against women."<ref>Quoted in Hankins (2002) pp. 59-60</ref>
===Women===
The ordination of women was forbidden between 1845 and 1996. However women comprised a majority of the membership, and wanted outlets for their piety and energy. Starting in 1907, the Personal Service Department of the Woman's Missionary Union (WMU) has encouraged women to participate in social reform as a form of missionary activity, making explicit the connection to the Social Gospel.<ref>Carol Crawford Holcomb, "The Kingdom at Hand: the Social Gospel and the Personal Service Department of Woman's Missionary Union, Auxiliary to the Southern Baptist Convention." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 2000 35(2): 49-66.</ref> Flowers (2000) explores the history of the WMU and its emphasis on social reform in the Social Gospel mode from its founding in 1888 to the eve of the Great Depression in 1928. WMU activities reveal a commitment to its historical ideal of service as both material and spiritual.<ref>Betsy Flowers, "Southern Baptist Evangelicals or Social Gospel Liberals? The Woman's Missionary Union and Social Reform, 1888 to 1928." ''American Baptist Quarterly'' 2000 19(2): 106-128.</ref> In the late-20th century conflict arose between the SBC leadership the WMU. The SBC leaders sought to return the WMU to more traditional evangelistic action, with an emphasis on attacking homosexuality and abortion, and away from the type of broad-gauge social work WMU women had been doing. In 1995 the SBC terminated a 105-year relationship with the WMU when the WMU decided to affiliate with the breakaway moderate Cooperative Baptist Fellowship and to become more involved in social issues.

The SBC became formally committed to the husband's "headship" in marriage at its convention in 1998, and at the same time ousted "evangelical feminists" from some of its seminaries. In October 1997 a mass rally in Washington, D.C., saw the culmination of the rise of the Promise Keepers, a loosely organized, mixed-faith grouping that campaigned for male leadership and female submission within the family.
===Politics===
Early in the 20th century, some leaders, such as Mullins, attempted to forge ties with Northern evangelicals. The effort collapsed in the 1920s when the "Scopes Monkey Trial" showed an unbridgeable gap between the regions on the issues such as evolution.. Thereafter the SBC stood aloof and avoided any connections with other religious bodies. The lingering influence of Landmarkism, Southern regionalism, and Northern opposition to Southern race relations stood in the way of closer connections. Though its theology had sectarian elements, the SBC dominated white Southern culture into the 1970s. By the 1980s, however, conservatives had taken firm control of the SBC and saw value in allying with Northern evangelicals because both felt threatened by secular humanism and the Left. No longer as dominant in the South, the SBC shared with the neo-evangelicals in "straddling the Christ-and-culture-in-paradox and Christ-and-the-transformer-of-culture positions." Religious alliances were possible because evangelicals North and South had arrived at similar cultural positions, and the SBC membership itself was growing rapidly outside the South by appealing to migrating Southerners and even more to like-minded Northerners.<ref>Barry Hankins, ''Southern Baptists and Northern Evangelicals: Cultural Factors and The Nature Of Religious Alliances". ''Religion and American Culture'' 1997 7(2): 271-298.</ref>

To form a successful political coalition, SBC leaders had to rethink the relationship of church and state. Hankins (1998) examines the thought of key leaders of the SBC from the 1940s through the mid-1990s who advocated accommodationism - the belief that the government should actively support and promote Christianity. This was a new idea, for the Baptists had long insisted on a sharp separation of church and state. However influential conservatives popularized accommodationism in the SBC since the 1980s.<ref>Barry Hankins, “The Evangelical Accommodationism of Southern Baptist Convention Conservatives." ''Baptist History And Heritage'' 1998 33(1): 54-65.</ref> Politically most Southern Baptist leaders had shown little interest in partisan politics before about 1980, when [[Ronald Reagan]] encouraged prominent ministers to form a political coalition with the [[Republican Party]] based on moral issues, including opposition to abortion and support for school prayer. Many GOP leaders have joined SBC churches (including [[Newt Gingrich]]<ref>Though Gingrich later converted to his (third) wife's Roman Catholicism.</ref> and [[John McCain]]), but the first insider to show wide political appeal was [[Mike Huckabee]] (a life-long Southern Baptist and former pastor) in 2008.<ref>Oran P. Smith, ''The Rise of Baptist Republicanism'' (1997)</ref>

Although Southern whites began voting Republican in presidential elections in the 1960s, they considered themselves Democrats and voted for state and local Democrats for many more years. The table shows that SBC pastors were only 27% Republican in the 1970s; they then moved into the GOP, followed by their parishioners a few years later. By 2004 all elements of the SBC were heavily Republican in orientation. The GOP identification slipped a little in 2008, but about 80% of the Southern Baptists voted for McCain over Barack Obama.

The following table shows the percentages of certain Christian "groupings" that consider themselves Republican:<ref>Source: Lyman A. Kellstedt et al., "The Soul of the South: Religion and Southern Politics in the Twenty-first Century" in Charles S. Bullock III and Mark J. Rozell, eds. ''The New Politics of the Old South'' (2007) p. 316</ref>

<TABLE BORDER>
<TR> <TD></TD> <TD>
 1972-1980</TD><TD>
 1982-1990</TD><TD>
 1992-2000</TD><TD>
  2004   </TD><TD>
  Gain   </TD> </TR>
<TR> <TD>
All</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.32">
32%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.39">
39%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.5">
50%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.58">
58%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,+E4-B4">
 +26%</TD> </TR>
<TR> <TD>
SBC members</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.27">
27%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.38">
38%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.46">
46%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.65">
65%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,+E5-B5">
 +38%</TD> </TR>
<TR> <TD>
SBC pastors</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.27">
27%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.66">
66%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.77">
77%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.81">
81%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,+E6-B6">
 +54%</TD> </TR>
<TR> <TD>
other evangelicals</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.28">
28%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.37">
37%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.52">
52%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.61">
61%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,+E7-B7">
 +33%</TD> </TR>
</TABLE>

In 2017, the SBC called for the defunding of [[Planned Parenthood]].<ref>Berry, Susan (June 19, 2017). [http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/19/southern-baptist-convention-funding-planned-parenthood-is-subsidizing-piracy-of-defenseless-infants/ Southern Baptist Convention: Funding Planned Parenthood Is ‘Subsidizing Piracy of Defenseless Infants’]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved June 19, 2017.</ref>

==Theological Controversies==
During its tenure the SBC was greatly impacted, and shaped, by three major theological controversies: the Landmark controversy of the 1850's and continuing in some form until around 1910, the Modernist controversy of the 1920's-1930's, and the "Conservative-Moderate" controversy beginning in 1979 and continuing for approximately two decades.

===Landmark Controversy===
Wamble (1964) surveys the Landmark theology which emerged in Tennessee in the 1850s, was quite strong by 1900, and can still be found among Baptists, even though the organized Landmarker (or "Landmarkean") movement has largely disappeared. Landmarkism insists upon Baptist exclusivism because (1) only Baptist ministers are authentic gospel ministers. (2) Only baptism by immersion, authorized by an authentic minister, upon an authentic candidate (believer), as a symbol (not means) of salvation, is true baptism. (3) The church is a visible, local and independent congregation, exercising plenary authority in a democratic manner, and only Baptist churches fit this description. (4) Baptist churches –unlike all other churches—have an unbroken succession since the time of Christ.<ref>Hugh Wamble, "Landmarkism: Doctrinaire Ecclesiology among Baptists." ''Church History'' 1964 33(4): 429-447. [ http://www.jstor.org/stable/3162835 in JSTOR]</ref> Landmarkers refuse to recognize the legitimacy of other denominations, or the validity of their baptisms. By 1859 the movement failed to take control of the Southern Baptist Convention, and always remained a minority viewpoint.

J. R. Graves, a Baptist pastor in Nashville, Tennessee, during the 1840s-1860s, became the leader of the Landmark movement among Baptists, asserting that Southern Baptists alone possessed the true version of Christianity.<ref>Chad W. Hall, “When Orphans Became Heirs: J. R. Graves and the Landmark Baptists,” ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 2002 37(1): 112-127.</ref> James Madison Pendleton (1811-1891) was one of the "Great Triumvirate" of the Landmark Movement. Not as intensely doctrinaire as James R. Graves or Amos Cooper Dayton, he accepted the concept of the universal church, never adhered to the theory of Baptist successionism, and was able and willing to work within the framework of Baptist conventions and societies in a way that many Landmarkists were unable to do. He named the movement with his book, ''An Old Landmark Reset'' (1854). His basic contribution to the Landmark movement lay in his refusal to accept non-immersionists (non-Baptists) as gospel ministers. Although born in the South, he favored the gradual emancipation of slaves, a position which finally forced him out of his pastorate in Tennessee during the Civil War. He subsequently moved to Ohio and later to Pennsylvania. He wrote numerous works, two of which have significantly influenced American Baptist practice and thought until recent days: ''Church Manual'' (1867) and ''Christian Doctrines: A Compendium of Theology'' (1878).<ref>Bob Compton, "J. M. Pendleton: a Nineteenth-century Baptist Statesman (1811-1891)". ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1975 10(1): 28-35.</ref> Amos Cooper Dayton (1813-1865) was the most prolific Landmarkean writer, and indeed was the first Baptist in the South to write a religious novel, ''Theodosia Ernest'' (1857). It covered baptism and church polity. Seeking to disseminate Baptist doctrine through the medium of fiction, he defined the church in one of his novels as a "local" group, organized independently of Christian people - a definition of the church which became a major cornerstone of Landmarkism. Beginning as a Presbyterian, he became a Baptist in 1852, and launched his literary career the following year. He authored 13 volumes of fiction and theology and contributed nearly 1,000 articles to 20 different religious periodicals.<ref>James E. Taulman, "The Life and Writings of Amos Cooper Dayton (1813-1865)." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1975 10(1): 36-43.</ref>

In 1898 a major controversy arose when Baptist church
historian Dr. William Heth Whitsitt challenged the Landmarkean belief that, from St. Peter to contemporary times, an unbroken chain of churches practiced immersion in the baptismal rite and thereby established themselves as part of the "one, true church." Texas Baptists, led by Benajah Harvey Carroll, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Waco, organized the Landmarkeans to reject Whitsitt's findings.

The central idea of Landmarkism is the authority of the local congregation in Baptist ecclesiology. Landmarkism can be viewed as a doctrinal aberration from the English and early American Baptist theology and polity. Tull (1975) traces the movement from its 1851 beginning in Cotton Grove, Tennessee to its present small remnant. In its full intensity Landmarkism was sectarian in its emphasis on the role of the local church, its denial of the validity of "alien" immersion, an adherence to strict, local church communion, and a hostile response to the ecumenical movement - all of which, Tull concludes, are quite foreign to the ecclesiological traditions which had been developed by English and American Baptists in the 17th and 18th centuries.

Patterson (1975) identifies specific historical situations in which the Landmark movement influences the Baptist church. The greatest influence was and is among Baptists of the Old Southwest, largely due to the 50 year editorial ministry of Graves in Nashville and Memphis. Seaboard Baptists were more settled, and thus less susceptible to the controversies which raged along the frontier and the newly settled lands. Landmarkism was responsible for the idea that the local church, not boards, should be responsible for the conduct and administration of missionary activity, which spawned the gospel missions concept. The Landmark theory of Baptist succession was challenged at the end of the last century, creating the Whitsitt Controversy.

In the late 1890's, William H. Whitsitt (a professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, one of six SBC-operated seminaries) contended that (contrary to Landmarkism), English Baptists (then called Anabaptists) did not begin to practice baptism by immersion until 1641, as opposed to the Landmark view that this practice could be traced to the earliest Baptists.

Landmarkism peaked by 1910, and has nearly faded away (to the extent it still exists it does so within the [[Independent Baptist]] ranks, which formed around the 1930's), but its long-term impact is still seen in a resistance to outside influences.<ref>W. Morgan Patterson, "The Influence of Landmarkism among Baptists." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1975 10(1): 44-55.</ref>

===Modernist Controversy===
This controversy originated initially in the Presbyterian denomination, but spilled over into the Southern Baptist ranks. Pastors such as [[J. Frank Norris]] contended that Baptist universities (such as [[Baylor University]]) were teaching [[Modernism]] (a form of liberal Christianity which argued that "antiquated beliefs" needed to be discarded). The ensuing result is that many churches (or large segments of churches) left the SBC. Although some minor denominations were formed (such as the Texarkana, Texas based [[American Baptist Association]]), the movement greatly spawned the modern-day [[Independent Baptist]] movement.

===Conservatives vs Moderates===
For most of the 20th century, the factions that became known as "conservatives" and "moderates"<ref>These are the terms preferred by the conservative wing, which ultimately gained control of the convention and refers to their regaining control as the "Conservative Resurgence"; the "moderates" -- who were really theological and social gospel liberals -- preferred to be called "conservatives" while labeling their opponents as "fundamentalists" (notwithstanding that true fundamentalists -- who had formed other denominations or were in the [[Independent Baptist]] camp a half-century or more before -- thought that the conservatives were, and still believe they are, misguided at best and apostate at worst) and the conservatives' actions as the "Fundamentalist Takeover".</ref> were at the fringe of the SBC. That changed when the Civil Rights issue and opposition to [[Jim Crow]] (racial segregation) energized the moderate in the 1950s and 1960s. By the 1970s the conservatives had coalesced. Conservatives believe that moderates were right to support desegregation but that they went too far by accepting changes in changing national social norms, especially regarding abortion, homosexuality and women's roles in society and the ministry.<ref>See Hankins (2002).</ref>

Beginning in the late 1960s, conservatives under the leadership of layman Paul Pressler and minister Paige Patterson claimed that the denomination's institutions had come under the influence of liberalism and that a redirection was necessary. At one point the liberalism was so rampant, the SBC actually passed a resolution in 1971 -- nearly two years before the infamous ''[[Roe v. Wade]]'' decision -- supporting abortion in such cases as "clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother"<ref>See [http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/13/resolution-on-abortion SBC Resolution on Abortion, 1971 Annual Meeting, St. Louis, Missouri.]</ref>, and three years later in Dallas (the year after Roe v. Wade) reaffirmed the resolution, saying that it "dealt responsibly from a Christian perspective with complexities of abortion problems in contemporary society" while also in the same resolution claiming that the SBC "historically held a high view of the sanctity of human life".<ref>See [http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/14/resolution-on-abortion-and-sanctity-of-human-life SBC Resolution on Abortion and Sanctity of Human Life, 1974 Annual Meeting, Dallas, Texas.]</ref>

Patterson and Pressler were aided by William Powell, an SBC employee who noted that the structure of the SBC presidency could be used to gain this redirection: the SBC president solely nominates the Committee on Committees, which in turn nominates the Committee on Nominations (previously known as the Committee on Boards), which in turn nominates the Executive Committee, heads of all SBC organizations, and other positions. A conservative-minded President would fill vacancies on the Committee on Committees with similarly conservative-minded persons, and when that faction had control it would, in turn, fill nominees for the Committee on Nominations (again with similarly conservative-minded persons), and thereafter fill all other positions similarly.

Starting in 1979 they mobilized delegates to attend the annual convention and to elect strong conservative candidates. Usually winning by ratios of about 55%-45% they elected a series of strong conservative presidents. In turn the presidents appointed strong conservative committees and trustees, and systematically transformed the mindset of the SBC's six seminaries, its publishing house, its mission boards, and its numerous agencies to a conservative view. Theologically the issue has focused on the inerrancy of Scripture. In 1980 the SBC had completely reversed itself on abortion, passing a much stronger resolution condemning the practice (ironically, meeting again in St. Louis, the site of the 1971 convention where they initially supported the practice).<ref>See [http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/19/resolution-on-abortion SBC Resolution on Abortion, 1980 Annual Meeting, St. Louis, Missouri.]</ref>

Some Baptist colleges and universities not officially owned by the SBC but historically tied to it resisted the trend and broke their ties with the SBC ([[Baylor University]] being one example). The moderates protested that the fundamentalists had downplayed the historic emphasis on evangelism to impose a particular reading of Scripture, thereby breaking with the denomination's historic unwillingness to impose creeds. The more openly-liberal churches broke away in 1987 to form the [[Alliance of Baptists]], while the moderates in 1991 established a splinter group (the [[Cooperative Baptist Fellowship]], or CBF), convincing two state associations (the Baptist General Convention of Texas and the Baptist General Association of Virginia) to dually align with it and the SBC (this, in turn, resulted in two new conservative-minded state associations, solely aligned with the SBC, to form: the Southern Baptists of Texas Convention and Southern Baptist Conservatives of Virginia).

The success of the conservatives led to two major changes to the [[Baptist Faith and Message]] (the SBC's official "statement of faith"): a 1998 amendment adding a section on The Family and a 2000 revision which repudiated homosexuality and stood for the sanctity of life.

In 2004, conservatives at the SBC introduced a resolution calling on all parents to pull their children out of public schools due to the [[liberal indoctrination]] there. The resolution was defeated, not because Baptists disagreed with the motivation, but because the SBC did not want to usurp parental authority over how to educate their children.<ref>see [http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38986 news]</ref>

==Doctrine==
SBC doctrine is generally in accordance with traditional Baptist views.

In all the major tenets of the faith ([[Biblical inerrancy]], the [[Virgin Birth]], the [[substitutionary atonement]] of [[Jesus Christ]], [[resurrection of Jesus Christ|His bodily resurrection]], and his ultimate return to Earth to judge humanity), as well as on the view of the [[Trinity]], the SBC holds to traditional Christian views and generally has for most of its existence (notwithstanding arguments over Biblical inerrancy during the Conservative Resurgence).<ref>Paul Basden, ''Has Our Theology Changed? Southern Baptist Thought since 1845.'' (1994)</ref>

The SBC believes in the two ordinances of believers' [[baptism]] (though some churches hold baby dedication services, infant baptism is not practiced) and the Lord's Supper (traditionally holding the view that the "wine" is non-alcoholic; grape juice is used instead). It considers both to be symbolic; it does not hold to baptismal regeneration or to [[transubstantiation]]. Historically baptism has been the means by which a person became an official church member (though in the megachurches they use "new members classes" instead).

With the Conservative Resurgence the SBC has taken a more conservative stand on issues such as [[sanctity of life]], [[homosexuality]], and the limitation of the pastorate to males. However, it has always maintained a view of [[separation of church and state]] (believing that each has its role, but not to the extent of liberals who would push religion completely out of the public).

In nearly all other areas, the SBC is quite diverse. For example, there are fairly equal numbers of individuals holding to [[Calvinism]] as to [[Arminianism]], and although the SBC believes in Jesus' ultimate return, there is no majority viewpoint on [[eschatology]]. This is due in great part to the Baptist views of [[priesthood of all believers]] and [[autonomy]] of the local church. Although Southern Baptists in general do not hold to Pentecostal or Charismatic practices such as [[glossolalia]] ("speaking in tongues"), Independent Baptist author [[David Cloud]] believes the practice within the SBC to be far greater than officially discussed.<ref>https://www.wayoflife.org/database/charismatic_southern_baptists.html</ref><ref>It should be noted that two persons mentioned in Cloud's report – noted charismatic televangelists [[James Robison]] and [[Pat Robertson]] – though at one time were Southern Baptist, have since left the denomination.</ref>

Like other Baptist bodies the SBC does not have a formal confession of faith or creed. It publishes a doctrinal statement, the [[Baptist Faith and Message]] (BF&M), which summarizes its key beliefs. The SBC, nor any state convention or local association, cannot bind the BF&M on any supporting church; however, adherence to the BF&M is required for missionaries, key leadership, and faculty at SBC-supported universities. Most congregations, however, generally adopt the BF&M (in whole or in part) as their doctrinal statement.

==Organization==
In accordance with the traditional Baptist principle of church autonomy, the lowest level (or highest, depending on your perspective) of the SBC is the local church. With the exception of a "mission church"<ref>A mission church is one sponsored by another congregation, either to start a congregation in an area without a church (such as a new subdivision) or to minister to an ethnic group in their own language.</ref>, every congregation is autonomous of every other. Furthermore, no higher organization has any authority to fire ministers, discipline members, or force the congregation to cease operations; their only power is that they can choose not to seat the congregation's delegates (called "messengers") at the annual meeting, for such matters as failing to support the Cooperative Program or for holding views not in accordance with the association's statement of faith (e.g. having a female pastor).

The next level is the local association. These are usually organized by county in the larger metro areas; less populated counties are usually combined into one association. These groups handle matters involving local issues, such as operating a food pantry or supporting a crisis pregnancy center.

The next level is the state convention. Most states in the Southern United States have a single state convention; however, due to the moderates-conservatives controversy discussed above, two states (Texas and Virginia) have two separate ones; a more conservative one aligned solely with the SBC and a more liberal one aligned both with the SBC and the liberal splinter group Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. Less populated states in northern and western parts of the United States, where the SBC is not as strong, are organized into multi-state conventions. These groups handle state-wide matters such as speaking on political issues involving the state (e.g. a bill to limit abortions) or disaster relief.

The highest level is the national convention. The name "Southern Baptist Convention" refers to both the denomination as a whole and its Annual Meeting, held in June for two days and generally at a major city. The convention handles both national and international matters, mainly in the area of missions, though it also publishes literature and other materials and has a public policy arm. Its main function is to operate the SBC's '''Cooperative Program''', its unified program for collecting and distributing funds for various mission projects. Each supporting church is permitted a minimum of two delegates (called "messengers") to the Annual Meeting but may send up to 12 messengers depending on the amount given to the SBC (either in terms of dollars or a percentage of undesignated receipts, whichever method provides the most messengers is the one used).

==SBC Entities==
===Mission Boards and Auxiliary===
*[[North American Mission Board]] (formerly Home Mission Board), located in Alpharetta, Georgia, coordinates mission work in the United States and Canada; it is also well-known for its disaster relief efforts
*[[International Mission Board]] (formerly Foreign Mission Board), located in Richmond, Virginia, coordinates mission work outside of the United States and Canada
*[[Woman's Missionary Union]], an auxiliary located in Birmingham, Alabama; its primary function is to raise money for missions through the SBC's two main annual missions offerings: the Lottie Moon Christmas Offering for International Missions and the Annie Armstrong Easter Offering for North American Missions.

===Seminaries===
* [[Southern Baptist Theological Seminary]] in Louisville, Kentucky
* [[Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary]] in Fort Worth, Texas
* [[New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary]] in New Orleans, Louisiana
* [[Gateway Seminary]] in Ontario, California
* [[Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary]] in Wake Forest, North Carolina
* [[Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary]] in Kansas City, Missouri

===Other SBC Entities===
*[[Baptist Press]] is the SBC's official news agency, reporting on SBC work worldwide and on other issues pertinent to the SBC and its membership
*GuideStone Financial Services (formerly the Annuity Board of the Southern Baptist Convention) provides insurance, investments, and retirement plans to churches and to church and agency ministers and employees.
*LifeWay Christian Resources (formerly the Sunday School Board of the Southern Baptist Convention) provides publications (including the [[Holman Christian Standard Bible]] and operates the Ridgecrest Conference Center in North Carolina. It is best known, though, for its operation of [[LifeWay Christian Stores]] (formerly Baptist Book Stores), one of the two major Christian bookstores in the United States.
*[[Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission]] (formerly the Christian Life Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention) is the SBC's [[public policy]] arm, providing information and research on political issues. It also files ''[[amicus briefs]]'' (sometimes with other religious liberty organizations) on matters involving religious liberty before the courts.

==See also==
* [[Baptists]]
* [[J. D. Grey]]

==Bibliography==
==== Secondary sources ====
* Basden, Paul, ed. ''Has Our Theology Changed? Southern Baptist Thought since 1845.'' (1994). 344 pp.
* Baker, Robert. ''The Southern Baptist Convention and Its People, 1607–1972.'' Broadman Press, 1974.
* Barnes, William. ''The Southern Baptist Convention, 1845–1953'' Broadman Press, 1954.
* Eighmy, John. ''Churches in Cultural Captivity: A History of the Social Attitudes of Southern Baptists.'' University of Tennessee Press, 1972.
* ''Encyclopedia of Southern Baptists: Presenting Their History, Doctrine, Polity, Life, Leadership, Organization & Work'' Knoxville: Broadman Press, v 1–2 (1958), 1500 pp; 2 supplementary volumes 1958 and 1962; vol 5 = Index, 1984
* Fuller, A. James. ''Chaplain to the Confederacy: Basil Manly and Baptist Life in the Old South'' (2002)
* Gatewood, Willard. ''Controversy in the 1920s: Fundamentalism, Modernism, and Evolution.'' Vanderbilt University Press, 1969.
* Harper, Keith. "Old Landmarkism: a Historiographical Appraisal." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1990 25(2): 31-40, reviews the scholarly studies
* Harvey, Paul. ''Redeeming the South: Religious Cultures and Racial Identities among Southern Baptists, 1865–1925.'' (1997) [http://www.questia.com/read/35415633?title=Redeeming%20the%20South%3a%20Religious%20Cultures%20and%20Racial%20Identities%20among%20Southern%20Baptists%2c%201865-1925 online edition]
* Heyrman, Christine Leigh. ''Southern Cross: The Beginnings of the Bible Belt'' (1998) 1770–1860
* Hill, Samuel, et al. ''Encyclopedia of Religion in the South'' (2005), comprehensive coverage
* Leonard, Bill J. ''Baptist Ways: A History'' (2003), comprehensive international history
* Leonard, Bill J. ''Baptists in America.'' (2005), general survey and history by leading Southern Baptist
* Leonard, Bill J. "Independent Baptists: from Sectarian Minority to 'Moral Majority'". ''Church History''. Volume: 56. Issue: 4. 1987. pp 504+. [http://www.questia.com/read/95146834?title=Independent%20Baptists%3a%20from%20Sectarian%20Minority%20to%20%22Moral%20Majority%22 online edition]
* Lindman, Janet Moore. ''Bodies of Belief: Baptist Community in Early America'' (2008)
* Lumpkin, William L. ''Baptist History in the South: Tracing through the Separates the Influence of the Great Awakening, 1754–1787'' (1995)
* Marsden, George. ''Fundamentalism and American Culture: The Shaping of 20th Century Evangelicalism.'' Oxford University Press, 1980. the major scholarly history of the movement
* Morgan, David T. ''Southern Baptist Sisters: In Search of Status, 1845–2000.'' (2003)
* Patterson, W. Morgan. "Baptist Growth in America: Evaluation of Trends." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1979 14(1): 16-26.
* Scales, T. Laine. ''All That Fits a Woman: Training Southern Baptist Women for Charity and Mission, 1907–1926'' Mercer U. Press 2002
* Shurden, Walter B. and Lori Redwine Varnadoe. "The Origins of the Southern Baptist Convention: a Historiographical Study." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 2002 37(1): 71-96. How 12 church historians have interpreted the organization's 1845 founding. Although early historians ignored the importance of the issue of slavery, gradually historians began to realize the xcentrality of the issue in the group's founding.
* Spain, Rufus B.'' At Ease in Zion: A Social History of Southern Baptists, 1865–1900'' (1961)
* Sutton, Jerry. ''The Baptist Reformation: The Conservative Resurgence in the Southern Baptist Convention'' (2000).
* Tull, James E. "The Landmark Movement: an Historical and Theological Appraisal." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1975 10(1): 3-18. [http://www.jstor.org/stable/3163329 in JSTOR]
* Tull, James E., and Morris Ashcraft. ''High Church Baptists in the South: The Origin, Nature, and Influence of Landmarkism'' (2000) 182pp
** Tull, James E. "A Study of Southern Baptist Landmarkism in the Light of Historical Baptist Ecclesiology," ''Church History,'' Vol. 31, No. 3 (Sep., 1962), pp. 359–360, short summary
* Wills, Gregory A.'' Democratic Religion: Freedom, Authority, and Church Discipline in the Baptist South, 1785–1900.'' (1997) [http://www.questia.com/read/55113490?title=Democratic%20Religion%3a%20Freedom%2c%20Authority%2c%20and%20Church%20Discipline%20in%20the%20Baptist%20South%2c%201785-1900 online edition]
* Yarnell III, Malcolm B. ''The Formation of Christian Doctrine'' (2007), on Baptist theology
===Since 1960s===
* Ammerman, Nancy, ''Baptist Battles: Social Change and Religious Conflict in the Southern Baptist Convention.'' Rutgers University Press, 1990.
* Ammerman, Nancy, ed. ''Southern Baptists Observed'' University of Tennessee Press, 1993.
* Farnsley II, Arthur Emery, ''Southern Baptist Politics: Authority and Power in the Restructuring of an American Denomination'' (1994) [http://www.questia.com/read/98516612?title=Southern%20Baptist%20Politics%3a%20Authority%20and%20Power%20in%20the%20Restructuring%20of%20an%20American%20Denomination online edition]
* Hankins, Barry. ''Uneasy in Babylon: Southern Baptist Conservatives and American Culture.'' (2002) 344 pp Argues that Baptist conservatives see themselves as cultural warriors critiquing a secular and liberal America
* Kell, Carl L. and L. Raymond Camp, ''In the Name of the Father: The Rhetoric of the New Southern Baptist Convention.'' (1999) [http://www.questia.com/read/105268786?title=In%20the%20Name%20of%20the%20Father%3a%20%20The%20Rhetoric%20of%20the%20New%20Southern%20Baptist%20Convention online edition]
* Leonard, Bill J. ''God's Last and Only Hope: The Fragmentation of the Southern Baptist Convention.'' Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1990.
* Morgan, David T. ''The New Crusades, the New Holy Land: Conflict in the Southern Baptist Convention, 1969-1991.'' (1996). 246 pp.
* Rosenberg, Ellen. ''The Southern Baptists: A Subculture in Transition.'' University of Tennessee Press, 1989.
* Smith, Oran P. ''The Rise of Baptist Republicanism'' (1997), on recent voting behavior

===State and regional studies===
* McBeth, Harry Leon. ''Texas Baptists: A Sesquicentennial History'' (1998)
* Williams, C. Fred, S. Ray Granade, and Kenneth M. Startup. ''A System and Plan: Arkansas Baptist State Convention, 1848-1998'' (1998)
* Flynt, Wayne. ''Alabama Baptists in the Heart of Dixie'' (1998)
* Wardin, Jr., Albert W. ''Tennessee Baptists: A Comprehensive History, 1779-1999'' (1999).

==== Primary sources ====

* Baker, Robert. ed. ''A Baptist Source Book.'' Broadman Press, 1966.
* Glenmary Research Center. ''Religious Congregations & Membership in the United States'' 2000.
* Kell, Carl L., ed. ''Exiled: Voices of the Southern Baptist Convention Holy War.'' (2006) 228pp
* McBeth, H. Leon, (ed.) ''A Sourcebook for Baptist Heritage'' (1990), primary sources for Baptist history.
* McGlothlin, W. J. (ed.) ''Baptist Confessions of Faith.'' Philadelphia: The American Baptist Publication Society, 1911.
* Shurden, Walter B. and Randy Shepley, eds. ''Going for the Jugular: A Documentary History of the SBC Holy War.'' Mercer U. Press, 1996. 281 pp.
==External links==
* [http://www.sbc.net/default.asp SBC Website]
* [http://www.baptisthistory.org/ Baptist History and Heritage Society]
* [http://www.abpnews.com/ Associated Baptist Press] - An Independent Baptist news agency
* [http://www.bpnews.net/ Baptist Press] - A Southern Baptist news agency
* [http://www.sbc.net/bfm2000/bfm2000.asp Baptist Faith and Message 2000 edition]

====Notes====
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The main topic for this category is [[Southern Baptist Convention]].

Southern Baptist Convention

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The '''Southern Baptist Convention (SBC)''' is the largest organization of [[Baptists]] in the world, the second-largest denomination in the United States (behind Roman Catholicism) and the largest Protestant denomination in the United States.

It has over 16 million members in 42,000 churches across America, with greatest strength in the South.<ref>There are four other national denominations (excluding [[Independent Baptist]]s who do not organize into formal denominations): [[American Baptist Churches USA|American Baptist Churches]] (strongest in the North), National Baptist Convention (African Americans, strong in the South and northern cities), the Conservative Baptist Association, and the Progressive National Baptist Convention (a more liberal body of African Americans, strong in the South and northern cities).</ref> It also sponsors 10,000 missionaries in 157 countries. It holds 41 state conventions and one national convention annually, and in recent years it tends to identify with [[Conservative Christianity|conservative Christian]] values and supports Biblical [[inerrancy]]. Insistence on baptism by immersion, as it is presented in the Bible, fulfills the twin symbolism of washing from sin and of death and rebirth, as well as pointing to the Baptists' conviction that Scripture is the complete and sufficient basis of the Christian faith, and is also mandatory to become a church member.

Leonard (2000) explores the bitter internal divisions within the SBC since 1979. Conflict between fundamentalist and moderate factions at the national level has continued to impact state conventions, Baptist associations, and local congregations. Important recent changes include the establishment of relationships with Independent Baptists and other ethnic and racial groups, the emergence of mega-churches with very powerful ministers and multimillion-dollar budgets (and which often downplay any ties they may have to the denomination), the reorganization of stewardship programs, and the founding of new theological schools.<ref>Bill J. Leonard, "Baptists in the South: a New Connectionalism." ''American Baptist Quarterly'' 2000 19(3): 208-221.</ref>

Southern Baptists are facing a membership decline that could shrink the nation's largest Protestant denomination by nearly half in 40 years, its convention president Rev. Johnny Hunt, warned in June 2009.<ref>Dylan T. Lovan, "Southern Baptist Convention opens in Kentucky," [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gLeJCkvML4zZQ0aAUjlwP_Vthi5wD990LDD03 Associated Press Jun 23, 2009]</ref>

==History==
American Baptists emerged in the 18th century with bases in Rhode Island, Virginia and Pennsylvania. Influenced by the [[First Great Awakening]] they adopted [[revival]]s. By 1800-1830 they were major participants in the [[Second Great Awakening]]. Most historians view these evangelicals as radicals who were on society's fringe during the colonial period, only to become conservative by the nineteenth century after they had achieved social acceptance.<ref>But for an alternative view see Janet Moore Lindman, ''Bodies of Belief: Baptist Community in Early America'' (2008)</ref>
===Growth===
The denomination grew very rapidly throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, becoming the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S. by the 1870s. After 1945 it began to expand outside the South, first to the western states then to the north. Patterson (1979) attributes the growth of Southern Baptists since the 18th century, apart from sociological, demographic, and cultural influences, to religious factors:
#heritage of the revival emphasis
#denominational pride growing out of Landmark exclusiveness
#development of efficient and adaptable denominational organizations
#sense of denominational loyalty
#massive program of tuition-free theological education
#dispersion of Southern Baptists across the United States
#a gift for organizing and promoting programs and methods to share the gospel in a more effective way.
By 1955 the SBC counted 8,200,000 members, and were baptising an average 1,000 new members a day. The 30,000 affiliated churches reached 24 states, but were still heavily concentrated in the South. Local churches were worth $1.2 billion, up from $276 million in 1945. Yearly contributions reached $305 million. Sunday school membership was 6,400,000. The denomination supported 30 colleges and universities, 22 junior colleges, six seminaries, eight academies and four Bible schools. Most were still small and the total enrollment was only 50,080. They ran 33 hospitals and 23 magazines.<ref>"The Oldtime Religion," [http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,893230,00.html ''Time'' Dec. 05, 1955]</ref>

===20th century===
The dominant leader in the early 20th century was [[Edgar Young Mullins]]. He led the SBC between 1899 and 1928 and was successful at mediating theological, political, and organizational conflicts within among Baptists. He was a theologian as well, and synthesized theology and democratic political thought in his writings.<ref>H. Clark Maddux, ''Edgar Young Mullins and Evangelical Developments in the Southern Baptist Convention." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1998 33(2): 62-73.</ref> Another major Baptist clergyman was [[George W. Truett]], the pastor from 1897 to 1944 of the First Baptist Church of [[Dallas]], [[Texas]], which for a time was considered the largest congregaqtion in the world. Truett headed the SBC from 1927 to 1929 and the Baptist World Alliance from 1934 to 1939.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www2.baylor.edu/baylorproud/2017/05/george-w-truett-a-texas-baptist-and-baylor-legend/|title=George W. Truett: A Texas, Baptist, and Baylor legend|publisher=Baylor.edu|date=May 4, 2017|accessdate=March 20, 2018}}</ref>

The [[Great Depression]] of the 1930s was a hard blow for most churches, for they were based in impoverished rural areas and money was very scarce. Prosperity returned with World War II, especially with heavy migration to Southern cities (and some western cities like Los Angeles as well), where high paying jobs were plentiful. Affluence came in the 1960s, but meanwhile careful stewards rebuilt the financial base. For example, Avery Hamilton Reid, executive secretary of the Alabama Baptist State Convention during 1944-62, resolved the convention's financial crisis. He led fund-raising drives, established the Advance Programs to improve Howard and Judson colleges, built handsome, modern new churches, and increase membership. Reid oversaw the building of a new headquarters for the convention and removed from the convention's budget hospitals taking federal grant money for construction.<ref>George E. Bagley, "Avery Hamilton Reid," ''Alabama Baptist Historian'' 1996 32(1): 9-29. 0002-4147</ref>

===Fighting Sin===
Religious leaders in the South were theologically conservative, but most denominations supported the [[Social Gospel]]. The Southern Baptists strongly supported some of the main Social Gospel campaigns, especially against liquor and saloons and sexual slavery. The spirit of today's campaigns against abortion very closely resemble the language and rhetoric and organizing techniques of the prohibition campaigns. The Southern churches were also active opponents of prostitution, obscenity and gambling, and they aligned with like minded politicians like [[Alben Barkley]] of Kentucky (who later became Truman's vice president). Most of the state Baptist conventions had "Christian Life Commissions" that echoed the Social Gospel (they were especially active in Alabama and Virginia).

Few local SBC ministers considered issues related to the labor movement until 1930-50, long after Northern Protestant denominations had taken pro-union positions. In 1930, ayt the start of the [[Great Depression]], the SBC issued a statement supporting workers' rights, yet focusing on evangelization as a means of spiritual redemption that would offer relief from the problems of industrialization, rather than proposing structural solutions. The convention's 1938 report was largely drafted in response to fears of communism, urging capital and labor to cooperate to safeguard American political order. Steeped in the patriotism accompanying World War II, convention leaders' 1944 statement looked to the principles of democracy and Christian morality as panaceas for tense industrial relations. Amid postwar [[Congress of Industrial Organizations]] (CIO) drives to unionize Southern textile unions—drives that failed—SBC statements from 1946 to 1948 targeted the dangers of consumerism and decried an increasing polarization of unions and management, arguing that individuals must concentrate on the Kingdom of God and not substitute their personal spirituality with secular group solidarity.<ref>H. B. Cavalcanti, "God and Labor in the South: Southern Baptists and The Right to Unionize, 1930-1950." ''Journal of Church and State'' 1998 40(3): 639-660.</ref>

===Missionaries===
In 1888, the Southern Baptist Convention created the Woman's Missionary Union, which in the early 21st century continued to function as an umbrella group coordinating the activities of local groups. The Laymen's Missionary Movement was founded by the Southern Baptist Convention in 1907, quickly followed by state groups such as the Alabama Baptist Laymen in 1908. These brotherhood organizations have championed evangelism, charitable giving, and fraternal brotherhood.
===Ending segregation===
Newman (1999) explores the changing attitudes of the Georgia Baptist Convention and Georgia Southern Baptists toward desegregation. He identifies three phases: during 1945-53 the state convention defended segregation and urged equalization of facilities in order to stave off desegregation; during 1954-58 the convention urged Baptists to respond calmly to desegregation
rulings and to abide by law and order; from 1959 on the convention called for support of the public schools during a period when the state legislature planned to close all the schools if any desegregated. John Jeter Hurt, Jr., and Jack U. Harwell, who successively edited the Baptist weekly magazine ''The Christian Index'' during the 1950s-1960s, exercised a moderate and eventually progressive influence. By 1980 most Georgia Southern Baptists rejected segregation and accepted African Americans in their schools and churches.<ref>Mark Newman, "The Georgia Baptist Convention and Desegregation, 1945-1980." ''Georgia Historical Quarterly'' 1999 83(4): 683-711.</ref> Newman (2001) examines the more hard-line approach of the Louisiana Baptist Convention, the state's largest Protestant denomination and the dominant religious group in the northern part of Louisiana. It endorsed segregation and barred black church membership during 1954-80. Many Southern Baptists were less firmly committed to maintaining segregation than the actions of their convention would suggest. A majority of Baptists, the moderate segregationists, accepted the demise of [[Jim Crow]] and racial segregation in the mid 1960s as the price of maintaining public school education and because attempts to maintain it conflicted with their commitment to law and order.<ref>Mark Newman, "The Louisiana Baptist Convention and Desegregation, 1954-1980." ''Louisiana History'' 2001 42(4): 389-418.</ref> By contrast, the Florida Baptist Convention's took a much more moderate stand on racial desegregation of the state's schools from 1954 to 1980. While initially reluctant in accepting the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision, W. G. Stracener, editor of the ''Florida Baptist Witness,'' and other leaders of the state convention urged Florida Baptists to oppose efforts to circumvent desegregation because of their "primary commitments to scripture, evangelism, law and order, peace, and public education."<ref>Mark Newman, "The Florida Baptist Convention and Desegregation, 1954-1980." ''Florida Historical Quarterly'' 1999 78(1): 1-22.</ref>

The SBC's Christian Life Commission, established in 1948, aroused
controversy when it supported integration during the civil rights movement under the direction of Foy Valentine, and it continues to be a voice of conscience within the SBC under the current head, Richard D. Land, who has led the commission since 1988. Land has said his idea is, "America in 1955 without the racism and without the sexual discrimination against women."<ref>Quoted in Hankins (2002) pp. 59-60</ref>
===Women===
The ordination of women was forbidden between 1845 and 1996. However women comprised a majority of the membership, and wanted outlets for their piety and energy. Starting in 1907, the Personal Service Department of the Woman's Missionary Union (WMU) has encouraged women to participate in social reform as a form of missionary activity, making explicit the connection to the Social Gospel.<ref>Carol Crawford Holcomb, "The Kingdom at Hand: the Social Gospel and the Personal Service Department of Woman's Missionary Union, Auxiliary to the Southern Baptist Convention." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 2000 35(2): 49-66.</ref> Flowers (2000) explores the history of the WMU and its emphasis on social reform in the Social Gospel mode from its founding in 1888 to the eve of the Great Depression in 1928. WMU activities reveal a commitment to its historical ideal of service as both material and spiritual.<ref>Betsy Flowers, "Southern Baptist Evangelicals or Social Gospel Liberals? The Woman's Missionary Union and Social Reform, 1888 to 1928." ''American Baptist Quarterly'' 2000 19(2): 106-128.</ref> In the late-20th century conflict arose between the SBC leadership the WMU. The SBC leaders sought to return the WMU to more traditional evangelistic action, with an emphasis on attacking homosexuality and abortion, and away from the type of broad-gauge social work WMU women had been doing. In 1995 the SBC terminated a 105-year relationship with the WMU when the WMU decided to affiliate with the breakaway moderate Cooperative Baptist Fellowship and to become more involved in social issues.

The SBC became formally committed to the husband's "headship" in marriage at its convention in 1998, and at the same time ousted "evangelical feminists" from some of its seminaries. In October 1997 a mass rally in Washington, D.C., saw the culmination of the rise of the Promise Keepers, a loosely organized, mixed-faith grouping that campaigned for male leadership and female submission within the family.
===Politics===
Early in the 20th century, some leaders, such as Mullins, attempted to forge ties with Northern evangelicals. The effort collapsed in the 1920s when the "Scopes Monkey Trial" showed an unbridgeable gap between the regions on the issues such as evolution.. Thereafter the SBC stood aloof and avoided any connections with other religious bodies. The lingering influence of Landmarkism, Southern regionalism, and Northern opposition to Southern race relations stood in the way of closer connections. Though its theology had sectarian elements, the SBC dominated white Southern culture into the 1970s. By the 1980s, however, conservatives had taken firm control of the SBC and saw value in allying with Northern evangelicals because both felt threatened by secular humanism and the Left. No longer as dominant in the South, the SBC shared with the neo-evangelicals in "straddling the Christ-and-culture-in-paradox and Christ-and-the-transformer-of-culture positions." Religious alliances were possible because evangelicals North and South had arrived at similar cultural positions, and the SBC membership itself was growing rapidly outside the South by appealing to migrating Southerners and even more to like-minded Northerners.<ref>Barry Hankins, ''Southern Baptists and Northern Evangelicals: Cultural Factors and The Nature Of Religious Alliances". ''Religion and American Culture'' 1997 7(2): 271-298.</ref>

To form a successful political coalition, SBC leaders had to rethink the relationship of church and state. Hankins (1998) examines the thought of key leaders of the SBC from the 1940s through the mid-1990s who advocated accommodationism - the belief that the government should actively support and promote Christianity. This was a new idea, for the Baptists had long insisted on a sharp separation of church and state. However influential conservatives popularized accommodationism in the SBC since the 1980s.<ref>Barry Hankins, “The Evangelical Accommodationism of Southern Baptist Convention Conservatives." ''Baptist History And Heritage'' 1998 33(1): 54-65.</ref> Politically most Southern Baptist leaders had shown little interest in partisan politics before about 1980, when [[Ronald Reagan]] encouraged prominent ministers to form a political coalition with the [[Republican Party]] based on moral issues, including opposition to abortion and support for school prayer. Many GOP leaders have joined SBC churches (including [[Newt Gingrich]]<ref>Though Gingrich later converted to his (third) wife's Roman Catholicism.</ref> and [[John McCain]]), but the first insider to show wide political appeal was [[Mike Huckabee]] (a life-long Southern Baptist and former pastor) in 2008.<ref>Oran P. Smith, ''The Rise of Baptist Republicanism'' (1997)</ref>

Although Southern whites began voting Republican in presidential elections in the 1960s, they considered themselves Democrats and voted for state and local Democrats for many more years. The table shows that SBC pastors were only 27% Republican in the 1970s; they then moved into the GOP, followed by their parishioners a few years later. By 2004 all elements of the SBC were heavily Republican in orientation. The GOP identification slipped a little in 2008, but about 80% of the Southern Baptists voted for McCain over Barack Obama.

The following table shows the percentages of certain Christian "groupings" that consider themselves Republican:<ref>Source: Lyman A. Kellstedt et al., "The Soul of the South: Religion and Southern Politics in the Twenty-first Century" in Charles S. Bullock III and Mark J. Rozell, eds. ''The New Politics of the Old South'' (2007) p. 316</ref>

<TABLE BORDER>
<TR> <TD></TD> <TD>
 1972-1980</TD><TD>
 1982-1990</TD><TD>
 1992-2000</TD><TD>
  2004   </TD><TD>
  Gain   </TD> </TR>
<TR> <TD>
All</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.32">
32%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.39">
39%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.5">
50%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.58">
58%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,+E4-B4">
 +26%</TD> </TR>
<TR> <TD>
SBC members</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.27">
27%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.38">
38%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.46">
46%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.65">
65%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,+E5-B5">
 +38%</TD> </TR>
<TR> <TD>
SBC pastors</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.27">
27%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.66">
66%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.77">
77%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.81">
81%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,+E6-B6">
 +54%</TD> </TR>
<TR> <TD>
other evangelicals</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.28">
28%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.37">
37%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.52">
52%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,0.61">
61%</TD><TD QP::NUMFORMAT:="288,-1,+E7-B7">
 +33%</TD> </TR>
</TABLE>

In 2017, the SBC called for the defunding of [[Planned Parenthood]].<ref>Berry, Susan (June 19, 2017). [http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/19/southern-baptist-convention-funding-planned-parenthood-is-subsidizing-piracy-of-defenseless-infants/ Southern Baptist Convention: Funding Planned Parenthood Is ‘Subsidizing Piracy of Defenseless Infants’]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved June 19, 2017.</ref>

==Theological Controversies==
During its tenure the SBC was greatly impacted, and shaped, by three major theological controversies: the Landmark controversy of the 1850's and continuing in some form until around 1910, the Modernist controversy of the 1920's-1930's, and the "Conservative-Moderate" controversy beginning in 1979 and continuing for approximately two decades.

===Landmark Controversy===
Wamble (1964) surveys the Landmark theology which emerged in Tennessee in the 1850s, was quite strong by 1900, and can still be found among Baptists, even though the organized Landmarker (or "Landmarkean") movement has largely disappeared. Landmarkism insists upon Baptist exclusivism because (1) only Baptist ministers are authentic gospel ministers. (2) Only baptism by immersion, authorized by an authentic minister, upon an authentic candidate (believer), as a symbol (not means) of salvation, is true baptism. (3) The church is a visible, local and independent congregation, exercising plenary authority in a democratic manner, and only Baptist churches fit this description. (4) Baptist churches –unlike all other churches—have an unbroken succession since the time of Christ.<ref>Hugh Wamble, "Landmarkism: Doctrinaire Ecclesiology among Baptists." ''Church History'' 1964 33(4): 429-447. [ http://www.jstor.org/stable/3162835 in JSTOR]</ref> Landmarkers refuse to recognize the legitimacy of other denominations, or the validity of their baptisms. By 1859 the movement failed to take control of the Southern Baptist Convention, and always remained a minority viewpoint.

J. R. Graves, a Baptist pastor in Nashville, Tennessee, during the 1840s-1860s, became the leader of the Landmark movement among Baptists, asserting that Southern Baptists alone possessed the true version of Christianity.<ref>Chad W. Hall, “When Orphans Became Heirs: J. R. Graves and the Landmark Baptists,” ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 2002 37(1): 112-127.</ref> James Madison Pendleton (1811-1891) was one of the "Great Triumvirate" of the Landmark Movement. Not as intensely doctrinaire as James R. Graves or Amos Cooper Dayton, he accepted the concept of the universal church, never adhered to the theory of Baptist successionism, and was able and willing to work within the framework of Baptist conventions and societies in a way that many Landmarkists were unable to do. He named the movement with his book, ''An Old Landmark Reset'' (1854). His basic contribution to the Landmark movement lay in his refusal to accept non-immersionists (non-Baptists) as gospel ministers. Although born in the South, he favored the gradual emancipation of slaves, a position which finally forced him out of his pastorate in Tennessee during the Civil War. He subsequently moved to Ohio and later to Pennsylvania. He wrote numerous works, two of which have significantly influenced American Baptist practice and thought until recent days: ''Church Manual'' (1867) and ''Christian Doctrines: A Compendium of Theology'' (1878).<ref>Bob Compton, "J. M. Pendleton: a Nineteenth-century Baptist Statesman (1811-1891)". ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1975 10(1): 28-35.</ref> Amos Cooper Dayton (1813-1865) was the most prolific Landmarkean writer, and indeed was the first Baptist in the South to write a religious novel, ''Theodosia Ernest'' (1857). It covered baptism and church polity. Seeking to disseminate Baptist doctrine through the medium of fiction, he defined the church in one of his novels as a "local" group, organized independently of Christian people - a definition of the church which became a major cornerstone of Landmarkism. Beginning as a Presbyterian, he became a Baptist in 1852, and launched his literary career the following year. He authored 13 volumes of fiction and theology and contributed nearly 1,000 articles to 20 different religious periodicals.<ref>James E. Taulman, "The Life and Writings of Amos Cooper Dayton (1813-1865)." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1975 10(1): 36-43.</ref>

In 1898 a major controversy arose when Baptist church
historian Dr. William Heth Whitsitt challenged the Landmarkean belief that, from St. Peter to contemporary times, an unbroken chain of churches practiced immersion in the baptismal rite and thereby established themselves as part of the "one, true church." Texas Baptists, led by Benajah Harvey Carroll, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Waco, organized the Landmarkeans to reject Whitsitt's findings.

The central idea of Landmarkism is the authority of the local congregation in Baptist ecclesiology. Landmarkism can be viewed as a doctrinal aberration from the English and early American Baptist theology and polity. Tull (1975) traces the movement from its 1851 beginning in Cotton Grove, Tennessee to its present small remnant. In its full intensity Landmarkism was sectarian in its emphasis on the role of the local church, its denial of the validity of "alien" immersion, an adherence to strict, local church communion, and a hostile response to the ecumenical movement - all of which, Tull concludes, are quite foreign to the ecclesiological traditions which had been developed by English and American Baptists in the 17th and 18th centuries.

Patterson (1975) identifies specific historical situations in which the Landmark movement influences the Baptist church. The greatest influence was and is among Baptists of the Old Southwest, largely due to the 50 year editorial ministry of Graves in Nashville and Memphis. Seaboard Baptists were more settled, and thus less susceptible to the controversies which raged along the frontier and the newly settled lands. Landmarkism was responsible for the idea that the local church, not boards, should be responsible for the conduct and administration of missionary activity, which spawned the gospel missions concept. The Landmark theory of Baptist succession was challenged at the end of the last century, creating the Whitsitt Controversy.

In the late 1890's, William H. Whitsitt (a professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, one of six SBC-operated seminaries) contended that (contrary to Landmarkism), English Baptists (then called Anabaptists) did not begin to practice baptism by immersion until 1641, as opposed to the Landmark view that this practice could be traced to the earliest Baptists.

Landmarkism peaked by 1910, and has nearly faded away (to the extent it still exists it does so within the [[Independent Baptist]] ranks, which formed around the 1930's), but its long-term impact is still seen in a resistance to outside influences.<ref>W. Morgan Patterson, "The Influence of Landmarkism among Baptists." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1975 10(1): 44-55.</ref>

===Modernist Controversy===
This controversy originated initially in the Presbyterian denomination, but spilled over into the Southern Baptist ranks. Pastors such as [[J. Frank Norris]] contended that Baptist universities (such as [[Baylor University]]) were teaching [[Modernism]] (a form of liberal Christianity which argued that "antiquated beliefs" needed to be discarded). The ensuing result is that many churches (or large segments of churches) left the SBC. Although some minor denominations were formed (such as the Texarkana, Texas based [[American Baptist Association]]), the movement greatly spawned the modern-day [[Independent Baptist]] movement.

===Conservatives vs Moderates===
For most of the 20th century, the factions that became known as "conservatives" and "moderates"<ref>These are the terms preferred by the conservative wing, which ultimately gained control of the convention and refers to their regaining control as the "Conservative Resurgence"; the "moderates" -- who were really theological and social gospel liberals -- preferred to be called "conservatives" while labeling their opponents as "fundamentalists" (notwithstanding that true fundamentalists -- who had formed other denominations or were in the [[Independent Baptist]] camp a half-century or more before -- thought that the conservatives were, and still believe they are, misguided at best and apostate at worst) and the conservatives' actions as the "Fundamentalist Takeover".</ref> were at the fringe of the SBC. That changed when the Civil Rights issue and opposition to [[Jim Crow]] (racial segregation) energized the moderate in the 1950s and 1960s. By the 1970s the conservatives had coalesced. Conservatives believe that moderates were right to support desegregation but that they went too far by accepting changes in changing national social norms, especially regarding abortion, homosexuality and women's roles in society and the ministry.<ref>See Hankins (2002).</ref>

Beginning in the late 1960s, conservatives under the leadership of layman Paul Pressler and minister Paige Patterson claimed that the denomination's institutions had come under the influence of liberalism and that a redirection was necessary. At one point the liberalism was so rampant, the SBC actually passed a resolution in 1971 -- nearly two years before the infamous ''[[Roe v. Wade]]'' decision -- supporting abortion in such cases as "clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother"<ref>See [http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/13/resolution-on-abortion SBC Resolution on Abortion, 1971 Annual Meeting, St. Louis, Missouri.]</ref>, and three years later in Dallas (the year after Roe v. Wade) reaffirmed the resolution, saying that it "dealt responsibly from a Christian perspective with complexities of abortion problems in contemporary society" while also in the same resolution claiming that the SBC "historically held a high view of the sanctity of human life".<ref>See [http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/14/resolution-on-abortion-and-sanctity-of-human-life SBC Resolution on Abortion and Sanctity of Human Life, 1974 Annual Meeting, Dallas, Texas.]</ref>

Patterson and Pressler noted the structure of the SBC presidency could be used to gain this redirection: the SBC president solely nominates the Committee on Committees, which in turn nominates the Committee on Nominations (previously known as the Committee on Boards), which in turn nominates the Executive Committee, heads of all SBC organizations, and other positions. A conservative-minded President would fill vacancies on the Committee on Committees with similarly conservative-minded persons, and when that faction had control it would, in turn, fill nominees for the Committee on Nominations (again with similarly conservative-minded persons), and thereafter fill all other positions similarly.

Starting in 1979 they mobilized delegates to attend the annual convention and to elect strong conservative candidates. Usually winning by ratios of about 55%-45% they elected a series of strong conservative presidents. In turn the presidents appointed strong conservative committees and trustees, and systematically transformed the mindset of the SBC's six seminaries, its publishing house, its mission boards, and its numerous agencies to a conservative view. Theologically the issue has focused on the inerrancy of Scripture. In 1980 the SBC had completely reversed itself on abortion, passing a much stronger resolution condemning the practice (ironically, meeting again in St. Louis, the site of the 1971 convention where they initially supported the practice).<ref>See [http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/19/resolution-on-abortion SBC Resolution on Abortion, 1980 Annual Meeting, St. Louis, Missouri.]</ref>

Some Baptist colleges and universities not officially owned by the SBC but historically tied to it resisted the trend and broke their ties with the SBC ([[Baylor University]] being one example). The moderates protested that the fundamentalists had downplayed the historic emphasis on evangelism to impose a particular reading of Scripture, thereby breaking with the denomination's historic unwillingness to impose creeds. The more openly-liberal churches broke away in 1987 to form the [[Alliance of Baptists]], while the moderates in 1991 established a splinter group (the [[Cooperative Baptist Fellowship]], or CBF), convincing two state associations (the Baptist General Convention of Texas and the Baptist General Association of Virginia) to dually align with it and the SBC (this, in turn, resulted in two new conservative-minded state associations, solely aligned with the SBC, to form: the Southern Baptists of Texas Convention and Southern Baptist Conservatives of Virginia).

The success of the conservatives led to two major changes to the [[Baptist Faith and Message]] (the SBC's official "statement of faith"): a 1998 amendment adding a section on The Family and a 2000 revision which repudiated homosexuality and stood for the sanctity of life.

In 2004, conservatives at the SBC introduced a resolution calling on all parents to pull their children out of public schools due to the [[liberal indoctrination]] there. The resolution was defeated, not because Baptists disagreed with the motivation, but because the SBC did not want to usurp parental authority over how to educate their children.<ref>see [http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38986 news]</ref>

==Doctrine==
SBC doctrine is generally in accordance with traditional Baptist views.

In all the major tenets of the faith ([[Biblical inerrancy]], the [[Virgin Birth]], the [[substitutionary atonement]] of [[Jesus Christ]], [[resurrection of Jesus Christ|His bodily resurrection]], and his ultimate return to Earth to judge humanity), as well as on the view of the [[Trinity]], the SBC holds to traditional Christian views and generally has for most of its existence (notwithstanding arguments over Biblical inerrancy during the Conservative Resurgence).<ref>Paul Basden, ''Has Our Theology Changed? Southern Baptist Thought since 1845.'' (1994)</ref>

The SBC believes in the two ordinances of believers' [[baptism]] (though some churches hold baby dedication services, infant baptism is not practiced) and the Lord's Supper (traditionally holding the view that the "wine" is non-alcoholic; grape juice is used instead). It considers both to be symbolic; it does not hold to baptismal regeneration or to [[transubstantiation]]. Historically baptism has been the means by which a person became an official church member (though in the megachurches they use "new members classes" instead).

With the Conservative Resurgence the SBC has taken a more conservative stand on issues such as [[sanctity of life]], [[homosexuality]], and the limitation of the pastorate to males. However, it has always maintained a view of [[separation of church and state]] (believing that each has its role, but not to the extent of liberals who would push religion completely out of the public).

In nearly all other areas, the SBC is quite diverse. For example, there are fairly equal numbers of individuals holding to [[Calvinism]] as to [[Arminianism]], and although the SBC believes in Jesus' ultimate return, there is no majority viewpoint on [[eschatology]]. This is due in great part to the Baptist views of [[priesthood of all believers]] and [[autonomy]] of the local church. Although Southern Baptists in general do not hold to Pentecostal or Charismatic practices such as [[glossolalia]] ("speaking in tongues"), Independent Baptist author [[David Cloud]] believes the practice within the SBC to be far greater than officially discussed.<ref>https://www.wayoflife.org/database/charismatic_southern_baptists.html</ref><ref>It should be noted that two persons mentioned in Cloud's report – noted charismatic televangelists [[James Robison]] and [[Pat Robertson]] – though at one time were Southern Baptist, have since left the denomination.</ref>

Like other Baptist bodies the SBC does not have a formal confession of faith or creed. It publishes a doctrinal statement, the [[Baptist Faith and Message]] (BF&M), which summarizes its key beliefs. The SBC, nor any state convention or local association, cannot bind the BF&M on any supporting church; however, adherence to the BF&M is required for missionaries, key leadership, and faculty at SBC-supported universities. Most congregations, however, generally adopt the BF&M (in whole or in part) as their doctrinal statement.

==Organization==
In accordance with the traditional Baptist principle of church autonomy, the lowest level (or highest, depending on your perspective) of the SBC is the local church. With the exception of a "mission church"<ref>A mission church is one sponsored by another congregation, either to start a congregation in an area without a church (such as a new subdivision) or to minister to an ethnic group in their own language.</ref>, every congregation is autonomous of every other. Furthermore, no higher organization has any authority to fire ministers, discipline members, or force the congregation to cease operations; their only power is that they can choose not to seat the congregation's delegates (called "messengers") at the annual meeting, for such matters as failing to support the Cooperative Program or for holding views not in accordance with the association's statement of faith (e.g. having a female pastor).

The next level is the local association. These are usually organized by county in the larger metro areas; less populated counties are usually combined into one association. These groups handle matters involving local issues, such as operating a food pantry or supporting a crisis pregnancy center.

The next level is the state convention. Most states in the Southern United States have a single state convention; however, due to the moderates-conservatives controversy discussed above, two states (Texas and Virginia) have two separate ones; a more conservative one aligned solely with the SBC and a more liberal one aligned both with the SBC and the liberal splinter group Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. Less populated states in northern and western parts of the United States, where the SBC is not as strong, are organized into multi-state conventions. These groups handle state-wide matters such as speaking on political issues involving the state (e.g. a bill to limit abortions) or disaster relief.

The highest level is the national convention. The name "Southern Baptist Convention" refers to both the denomination as a whole and its Annual Meeting, held in June for two days and generally at a major city. The convention handles both national and international matters, mainly in the area of missions, though it also publishes literature and other materials and has a public policy arm. Its main function is to operate the SBC's '''Cooperative Program''', its unified program for collecting and distributing funds for various mission projects. Each supporting church is permitted a minimum of two delegates (called "messengers") to the Annual Meeting but may send up to 12 messengers depending on the amount given to the SBC (either in terms of dollars or a percentage of undesignated receipts, whichever method provides the most messengers is the one used).

==SBC Entities==
===Mission Boards and Auxiliary===
*[[North American Mission Board]] (formerly Home Mission Board), located in Alpharetta, Georgia, coordinates mission work in the United States and Canada; it is also well-known for its disaster relief efforts
*[[International Mission Board]] (formerly Foreign Mission Board), located in Richmond, Virginia, coordinates mission work outside of the United States and Canada
*[[Woman's Missionary Union]], an auxiliary located in Birmingham, Alabama; its primary function is to raise money for missions through the SBC's two main annual missions offerings: the Lottie Moon Christmas Offering for International Missions and the Annie Armstrong Easter Offering for North American Missions.

===Seminaries===
* [[Southern Baptist Theological Seminary]] in Louisville, Kentucky
* [[Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary]] in Fort Worth, Texas
* [[New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary]] in New Orleans, Louisiana
* [[Gateway Seminary]] in Ontario, California
* [[Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary]] in Wake Forest, North Carolina
* [[Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary]] in Kansas City, Missouri

===Other SBC Entities===
*[[Baptist Press]] is the SBC's official news agency, reporting on SBC work worldwide and on other issues pertinent to the SBC and its membership
*GuideStone Financial Services (formerly the Annuity Board of the Southern Baptist Convention) provides insurance, investments, and retirement plans to churches and to church and agency ministers and employees.
*LifeWay Christian Resources (formerly the Sunday School Board of the Southern Baptist Convention) provides publications (including the [[Holman Christian Standard Bible]] and operates the Ridgecrest Conference Center in North Carolina. It is best known, though, for its operation of [[LifeWay Christian Stores]] (formerly Baptist Book Stores), one of the two major Christian bookstores in the United States.
*[[Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission]] (formerly the Christian Life Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention) is the SBC's [[public policy]] arm, providing information and research on political issues. It also files ''[[amicus briefs]]'' (sometimes with other religious liberty organizations) on matters involving religious liberty before the courts.

==See also==
* [[Baptists]]
* [[J. D. Grey]]

==Bibliography==
==== Secondary sources ====
* Basden, Paul, ed. ''Has Our Theology Changed? Southern Baptist Thought since 1845.'' (1994). 344 pp.
* Baker, Robert. ''The Southern Baptist Convention and Its People, 1607–1972.'' Broadman Press, 1974.
* Barnes, William. ''The Southern Baptist Convention, 1845–1953'' Broadman Press, 1954.
* Eighmy, John. ''Churches in Cultural Captivity: A History of the Social Attitudes of Southern Baptists.'' University of Tennessee Press, 1972.
* ''Encyclopedia of Southern Baptists: Presenting Their History, Doctrine, Polity, Life, Leadership, Organization & Work'' Knoxville: Broadman Press, v 1–2 (1958), 1500 pp; 2 supplementary volumes 1958 and 1962; vol 5 = Index, 1984
* Fuller, A. James. ''Chaplain to the Confederacy: Basil Manly and Baptist Life in the Old South'' (2002)
* Gatewood, Willard. ''Controversy in the 1920s: Fundamentalism, Modernism, and Evolution.'' Vanderbilt University Press, 1969.
* Harper, Keith. "Old Landmarkism: a Historiographical Appraisal." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1990 25(2): 31-40, reviews the scholarly studies
* Harvey, Paul. ''Redeeming the South: Religious Cultures and Racial Identities among Southern Baptists, 1865–1925.'' (1997) [http://www.questia.com/read/35415633?title=Redeeming%20the%20South%3a%20Religious%20Cultures%20and%20Racial%20Identities%20among%20Southern%20Baptists%2c%201865-1925 online edition]
* Heyrman, Christine Leigh. ''Southern Cross: The Beginnings of the Bible Belt'' (1998) 1770–1860
* Hill, Samuel, et al. ''Encyclopedia of Religion in the South'' (2005), comprehensive coverage
* Leonard, Bill J. ''Baptist Ways: A History'' (2003), comprehensive international history
* Leonard, Bill J. ''Baptists in America.'' (2005), general survey and history by leading Southern Baptist
* Leonard, Bill J. "Independent Baptists: from Sectarian Minority to 'Moral Majority'". ''Church History''. Volume: 56. Issue: 4. 1987. pp 504+. [http://www.questia.com/read/95146834?title=Independent%20Baptists%3a%20from%20Sectarian%20Minority%20to%20%22Moral%20Majority%22 online edition]
* Lindman, Janet Moore. ''Bodies of Belief: Baptist Community in Early America'' (2008)
* Lumpkin, William L. ''Baptist History in the South: Tracing through the Separates the Influence of the Great Awakening, 1754–1787'' (1995)
* Marsden, George. ''Fundamentalism and American Culture: The Shaping of 20th Century Evangelicalism.'' Oxford University Press, 1980. the major scholarly history of the movement
* Morgan, David T. ''Southern Baptist Sisters: In Search of Status, 1845–2000.'' (2003)
* Patterson, W. Morgan. "Baptist Growth in America: Evaluation of Trends." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1979 14(1): 16-26.
* Scales, T. Laine. ''All That Fits a Woman: Training Southern Baptist Women for Charity and Mission, 1907–1926'' Mercer U. Press 2002
* Shurden, Walter B. and Lori Redwine Varnadoe. "The Origins of the Southern Baptist Convention: a Historiographical Study." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 2002 37(1): 71-96. How 12 church historians have interpreted the organization's 1845 founding. Although early historians ignored the importance of the issue of slavery, gradually historians began to realize the xcentrality of the issue in the group's founding.
* Spain, Rufus B.'' At Ease in Zion: A Social History of Southern Baptists, 1865–1900'' (1961)
* Sutton, Jerry. ''The Baptist Reformation: The Conservative Resurgence in the Southern Baptist Convention'' (2000).
* Tull, James E. "The Landmark Movement: an Historical and Theological Appraisal." ''Baptist History and Heritage'' 1975 10(1): 3-18. [http://www.jstor.org/stable/3163329 in JSTOR]
* Tull, James E., and Morris Ashcraft. ''High Church Baptists in the South: The Origin, Nature, and Influence of Landmarkism'' (2000) 182pp
** Tull, James E. "A Study of Southern Baptist Landmarkism in the Light of Historical Baptist Ecclesiology," ''Church History,'' Vol. 31, No. 3 (Sep., 1962), pp. 359–360, short summary
* Wills, Gregory A.'' Democratic Religion: Freedom, Authority, and Church Discipline in the Baptist South, 1785–1900.'' (1997) [http://www.questia.com/read/55113490?title=Democratic%20Religion%3a%20Freedom%2c%20Authority%2c%20and%20Church%20Discipline%20in%20the%20Baptist%20South%2c%201785-1900 online edition]
* Yarnell III, Malcolm B. ''The Formation of Christian Doctrine'' (2007), on Baptist theology
===Since 1960s===
* Ammerman, Nancy, ''Baptist Battles: Social Change and Religious Conflict in the Southern Baptist Convention.'' Rutgers University Press, 1990.
* Ammerman, Nancy, ed. ''Southern Baptists Observed'' University of Tennessee Press, 1993.
* Farnsley II, Arthur Emery, ''Southern Baptist Politics: Authority and Power in the Restructuring of an American Denomination'' (1994) [http://www.questia.com/read/98516612?title=Southern%20Baptist%20Politics%3a%20Authority%20and%20Power%20in%20the%20Restructuring%20of%20an%20American%20Denomination online edition]
* Hankins, Barry. ''Uneasy in Babylon: Southern Baptist Conservatives and American Culture.'' (2002) 344 pp Argues that Baptist conservatives see themselves as cultural warriors critiquing a secular and liberal America
* Kell, Carl L. and L. Raymond Camp, ''In the Name of the Father: The Rhetoric of the New Southern Baptist Convention.'' (1999) [http://www.questia.com/read/105268786?title=In%20the%20Name%20of%20the%20Father%3a%20%20The%20Rhetoric%20of%20the%20New%20Southern%20Baptist%20Convention online edition]
* Leonard, Bill J. ''God's Last and Only Hope: The Fragmentation of the Southern Baptist Convention.'' Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1990.
* Morgan, David T. ''The New Crusades, the New Holy Land: Conflict in the Southern Baptist Convention, 1969-1991.'' (1996). 246 pp.
* Rosenberg, Ellen. ''The Southern Baptists: A Subculture in Transition.'' University of Tennessee Press, 1989.
* Smith, Oran P. ''The Rise of Baptist Republicanism'' (1997), on recent voting behavior

===State and regional studies===
* McBeth, Harry Leon. ''Texas Baptists: A Sesquicentennial History'' (1998)
* Williams, C. Fred, S. Ray Granade, and Kenneth M. Startup. ''A System and Plan: Arkansas Baptist State Convention, 1848-1998'' (1998)
* Flynt, Wayne. ''Alabama Baptists in the Heart of Dixie'' (1998)
* Wardin, Jr., Albert W. ''Tennessee Baptists: A Comprehensive History, 1779-1999'' (1999).

==== Primary sources ====

* Baker, Robert. ed. ''A Baptist Source Book.'' Broadman Press, 1966.
* Glenmary Research Center. ''Religious Congregations & Membership in the United States'' 2000.
* Kell, Carl L., ed. ''Exiled: Voices of the Southern Baptist Convention Holy War.'' (2006) 228pp
* McBeth, H. Leon, (ed.) ''A Sourcebook for Baptist Heritage'' (1990), primary sources for Baptist history.
* McGlothlin, W. J. (ed.) ''Baptist Confessions of Faith.'' Philadelphia: The American Baptist Publication Society, 1911.
* Shurden, Walter B. and Randy Shepley, eds. ''Going for the Jugular: A Documentary History of the SBC Holy War.'' Mercer U. Press, 1996. 281 pp.
==External links==
* [http://www.sbc.net/default.asp SBC Website]
* [http://www.baptisthistory.org/ Baptist History and Heritage Society]
* [http://www.abpnews.com/ Associated Baptist Press] - An Independent Baptist news agency
* [http://www.bpnews.net/ Baptist Press] - A Southern Baptist news agency
* [http://www.sbc.net/bfm2000/bfm2000.asp Baptist Faith and Message 2000 edition]

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Alliance of Baptists

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The '''Alliance of Baptists''' is an organization of "progressive" Baptist churches.

The Alliance formed in 1987 when it broke away from the [[Southern Baptist Convention]] as a result of the SBC taking a more conservative stance on theology and social issues.

Although there is overlap (in terms of membership) between the Alliance and the [[Cooperative Baptist Fellowship]] (which itself broke away from the SBC in 1990), the Alliance is far more liberal than the CBF; it is allied with the [[ecumenical]] [[National Council of Churches]] and the [[World Council of Churches]] whereas the CBF is not. Furthermore the Alliance allows homosexuals to serve as pastors, missionaries, and in all capacities; the CBF does not (as of 2018, though there was a movement to allow open homosexuals to serve in some capacities within the CBF).

==External Links==
[https://www.allianceofbaptists.org/ Alliance of Baptists]

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