Talk:Sweden

2007-10-12T18:09:22Z

Avfall: /* My edit */ Sweden is large

Why did you erase the information from MissisppiMud?

'Sweden is highly socialistic, and poorer than Mississippi. The suicide rate is extremely high. The citizens of Sweden must pay most of their income to the government.'

I think they are worth knowing.--[[User:Sherman|Sherman]] 09:05, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

No references to the poorer than Mississippi part. I don't think it's true. The same goes for the part about the suicide rate. Even though Sweden is far mote socialistic than the US there has been a change of direction in Swedish politics lately to a more rightwing government. /What

Suicide rates per 100 000 by country, year and sex
Year Male Female
01 18.9 8.1 (Sweden)
01 17.6 4.1 (US)

According to the WHO

Although it is true that Sweden has some of the highest suicide rates in the world however Sweden is one of the richest country’s in the world.--[[User:Fg|Fg]] 16:43, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
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== Removed ==
I removed the part which said something along the lines of: The swedes pay about 65% in taxes, if counting all taxes.
This is simply not true as they use a scaling system if ones income is above a certain amount. I've written this.

== Writing style ==
This article {{hide personal remark|looks like it was written by a semi-literate child copying from a pamphlet. It}} could use a very thorough re-write from an expert.
[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 20:12, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

== Too much opinion and editorializing ==

I agree that this article is poorly written, but it appears to contain grammatical and syntactical errors related to English not being the writer's native language.

If this site is going to be taken seriously, it cannot show such obvious bias, opinion and editorializing. If the articles just stick to facts, the people who use this site can draw their own conclusions. This article can discuss the state of religion and the general position of Swedes on social issues without commenting that these things are somehow "bad." The conservative reader can draw this conclusion on his or her own without being told this is how he or she is supposed to think.
--[[User:Vonratt|Vonratt]] 16:09, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

"however, most of the population have been taught in the state-administered schools that socialism is a superior economic system." Removed this sentence. It's just not true. Even if Sweden is a country where socialism is strong, this is not something thougth in school. Education in Sweden may be liberal, but it is not that biased. Christianity, for example, is still a part of the eduction, together with the other major religions of the world. Socialism is also taught, together with the other political systems. --[[User:What|What]]

::true but Sweden follows a more moderate version of socialism called the social democracy which seeks to reform capitalism rather than destroy or abolish it.--[[User:Fg|Fg]] 16:40, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

== Sweden IS not a democracy ==
"What", just tell me: Are you living in Sweden? I'm living in Sweden and I'm studying in a swedish school 5 days/week, I know what I'm talking about.
The trade unions would'nt "possibly" strike, they would SURELY strike, because they are idiots and they are going to burn in hell forever!
How can you call a country were the trade union rules over everything, a democracy?!
/JohnG

I wrote nothing about trade unions and nothing about democracy. I simply didn't delete it, someone else wrote it. If you have reliable sources to back your claims with, then edit the article. [[User:What|What]] 08:29, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

while Sweden really is a social democracy.--[[User:Fg|Fg]] 12:46, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

:We need an article on [[Democracy]] which would tell our readers what a [[social democracy]] is; and whether the [[United States]] is a "democracy".

:Is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea a democracy? Is a regime which is "democratically elected" a democracy? Does that have any bearing on whether the people have the right to alter or abolish it? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 12:49, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

A [[social democracy]] is a economic and political system which is a moderate form of [[socialism]] which aims to reform capitalism in order to remove its perceived injustices and often has a democratic government.

'''In general, most modern social democrats support''':
* A [[mixed economy]], consisting mainly of [[private enterprise]] but with government owned or subsidized programs of [[education]], [[healthcare]], [[child care]] etc for all citizens.
* Regulatory systems over [[private enterprise]] in the interests of workers, [[consumers]] and fair [[competition]].
* Advocacy of [[fair trade]] over [[free trade]].
* An extensive system of [[social security]] (though usually not to the extent advocated by [[democratic socialist]]s or other socialist groups), notably to counteract the effects of poverty and to insure the citizens against loss of income following illness, unemployment or retirement.
* Moderate to high levels of [[taxation]] (through a [[progressive taxation]] system) to fund government expenditure.
* [[Environmental protection]] laws (although not always to the extent advocated by [[Greens]]), such as combating [[global warming]] and increasing [[alternative energy]] funding.
* [[Immigration]] and [[multiculturalism]].
* A [[secular]] and [[progressive social]] policy, although this varies markedly in degree. Most social democrats support [[gay marriage]], [[abortion]] rights and a liberal [[Recreational drug use|drug]] policy, while others are either non-committed or opposed to these policies.
* A [[foreign policy]] supporting the promotion of [[democracy]], the protection of [[human rights]] and where possible, effective [[multilateralism]].
* As well as [[human rights]], social democrats also support [[social rights]], [[civil rights]] and [[civil liberties]].
--[[User:Fg|Fg]] 16:20, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

== Readability ==

Eugh. This article reads like a fifth grade project, with short sentences in need of expansion. Even if this article was written by somebody with ESL (as in a Swede who speaks English second), there would be more expansion on many of the points. This article is not academic in any way, shape or form. I re-wrote politics to bring the readability up, but it needs a lot of work overall. "Sweden has high taxes. Swedes pay about 30% in taxes, and 20-25% more if they make over..." --[[User:TrueGrit|TrueGrit]] 23:40, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

== My edit ==

Made two changes as of now --[[User:Sachaztan|Sachaztan]] 19:43, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

* Removed the text saying that Sweden is a big country in western Europe. Who wrote that? Could that person please explain what he meant with that? Both the population and the land size are small compared to nearly all other western European countries. One thing that Sweden do is, is a country of major influence worldwide, but finding a source explicitly saying that would be hard to come by.

:: In terms of land size, Sweden is actually a large western European country. At 450 000 square kilometers, Sweden is larger than Germany (350 000) and Poland (310 000) and smaller than France (550 000) and Spain (500 000). According to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_outlying_territories_by_area|this list] on Wikipedia, Sweden is the 55th largest country/outlying territory in the world. --[[User:Avfall|Avfall]] 14:09, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

* Added information to the history section. Sources for my claims are the two new at the bottom.

New changes --[[User:Sachaztan|Sachaztan]] 19:43, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

* Forgot to add signature in last Talk page edit

* Fixed the currency

* Took away a highly biased, non confirmable part of the politics area. The reasons for the outcome of the recent election is very complicated and using a party's website as a source is not acceptable in this context. The outcome can also simply be a result of Swedish voting habits that resembles a cycle. First Social Democrats will have the power for a long time, then the people will get fed up and vote for Moderats which will have power for a short time. Then the people get fed up with them and the cycle repeats itself.

New changes --[[User:Sachaztan|Sachaztan]] 20:05, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

* Added Culture section. One source has been provided, but it is in need of more sources.

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