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User talk:AugustO

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AugustO: /* Maybe I should move to Germany */ Guatemala, Greenland, Georgia, Guyana

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==User:PetyrB has been blocked ==

User:PetyrB has been blocked. He was Markman. It will be much harder for him to give a repeat performance. And if he manages to give a repeat performance, it will be very short lived. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
:He blocked everyone except me. I feel left out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:23, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
::I wasn't blocked either. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:58, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I notice that he blocked you three times last year. Perhaps he's mellowed. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:09, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

Becoming an editor of good standing may become harder for someone like him, but I fear that it will be next to impossible for an honest newcomer! Without a strong motivation (for me, it is the my outrage about the disservice the CBP does to the Bible - and a bewilderment when reading about physics), you won't have the dedication to overcome the obstacles into which you are running here at Conservapedia: It took me quite an effort to find a way to appeal my first blocks!

It's at Catch-22 situation: If you make errors - as any newbie will do - you get blocked, and most probably just quit. Newcomers who don't make errors are most probably reincarnations who learned the ropes in a couple of earlier lives. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:41, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

== Short note ==

If you ever get banned again, let me know at [[User:Conservative/mail|HERE]] and I will unblock you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:57, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
:If he is blocked he will not be able to notify you. He will have been blocked surely? There really does need to be a better way to contact admins here in the case of parodists like markman blocking people imo. [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 14:27, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::He can create another user account solely for the purpose of contacting me at another IP address.
:::Ok, I will remember that in case markman comes back. He previously banned me several times as well [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 14:41, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::::Fine, just be patient. I am not sure how often the mailbox will be checked, but it will definitely be checked from time to time. And you can always contact other admins too. It makes sense to mitigate any damage caused by a rogue blocker whose blocking privileges are short lived. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:50, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::From the Conservapedia commandments page: "Administrators have discretion to act on matters not specifically mentioned here, such as vandalism and sockpuppets."[http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Commandments] Common sense discretion can be exercised by Conservapedia administrators. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:39, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

==''Has hope he will be more amiable should he return''==

User:Conservative, you blocked me arbitrarily for three days ("''needlessly being quarrelsome''"), and then you unblocked me, equally arbitrarily. Are you really thinking that this leads to ''amiability''? No, it stirred my curiosity. I reread our exchange at [[Talk:Generalized linear model]] and digged a little deeper into the matters discussed:

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''content created by User:Conservative User:AugustO and subject to Conservapedia's copyright policy''
Why was this page deleted? From my personal files:
:AugustO, I thought you were merely whining. You said you wanted the article improved, yet were unwilling to do the work to improve it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:42, 23 July 2014 (EDT)
::How does your petty insult ("whining") justify the deletion of this talk page? Below I showed my willingness to improve the sorry state of this article by collaborating with you! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:46, 24 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I may write articles on [[Correlation and dependence]] and [[Spearman's rank correlation coefficient]] and [[Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient]] in the future. By the way, Vox Day wrote an interesting article entitled [https://voxday.net/2014/02/18/statistical-misleadings/ Statistical misleadings]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:51, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

*"I may write articles on [[Correlation and dependence]] and [[Spearman's rank correlation coefficient]] and [[Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient]] in the future." Given your history of announcements (Project 200+, Question Evolution brochure for high-school-pupils, etc.), I'll be very surprised when this happens!
*Regina Nuzzo's [http://www.nature.com/news/scientific-method-statistical-errors-1.14700 "Scientific method: Statistical errors"] is indeed an interesting article.
*Still no explanation for the deletion.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:34, 24 July 2014 (EDT)
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While you still haven't answer my question about the deletion of the talk-page, I came to the conclusion that my mentioning of the ''Question evolution! book for middle school students'' triggered the deletion of the revisions and my block. You seem to be on an Orwellian campaign to erase this book from memory, a campaign which bodes ill for the trustworthiness of Conservapedia. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:42, 27 July 2014 (EDT)

This is too complicated for an outsider to follow. The important point is that AugustO, who earned the respect of many CP editors is back, and I welcome his contributions. I hope that we can all learn to live together in content-creation-harmony. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 19:38, 27 July 2014 (EDT)

:Harmony is important, but honesty, too - especially at a ''trustworthy encyclopedia''. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:45, 27 July 2014 (EDT)

== Project ==

Would you like to collaborate with other editors on a wiki project to help Conservapedia be a strong resource for a given topic.

The topic could be decided by the editors participating.

If you are interested, please go to: [http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal#A_project_for_active_editors_to_collaborate_on The collaborative project]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:02, 25 December 2014 (EST)

:I'm a little surprised by this "project". A wiki should ''per se'' be a collaborative project: I tend to jump on subjects which pique my interest (without an additional layer of administration.) Major obstacles for collaboration on Conservapedia's articles are for me:
:*Some sysops think they own certain articles, and will keep up their preferred version without engaging in a meaningful discussion on the talk-page (see e.g., [[E=mc²]]). Some sysops even prevent editing of their pet articles by locking them - I think that you, User:Conservative, are the main culprit when it comes to this tactic!
:*Collaboration prerequisites a certain degree of maturity and honesty. You, User:Conservative, don't have at least one of these characteristics: for example, the "we are many" - charade is just infantile. And how do I know that you won't create new dummy accounts to manipulate discussions? You haven't come clean about [[User:Historybuff]], therefore I don't know whether you will take such crooked steps again.
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:11, 28 December 2014 (EST)
::Are you claiming that merely one person is editing using the User: Conservative account? If so, considering your insistence that merely one person is editing using the account, what proof and evidence do you have for this claim? Your little tirade here is not impressive. Also, if you are such a big fan of collaboration, why can't the totality of "User: Conservative"'s edits be a team effort? If "User:Conservative" allows a conservative friend or friends to also use the account, what is that to you? None of the Conservapedia Commandments forbids the sharing of an account.

::Next, a very small percentage of my/our articles are locked in terms of editing them.

::Furthermore, the Conservapedia wiki article protect tab was created to be used! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:12, 31 December 2014 (EST)

:::It's just common sense:
:::*If you are many, your ''manual of style'' must be epic: your way of writing is quite unique. Furthermore, it is quite inconceivable that there is more than one editor who shows such a consistent inability to use the preview button (''it was created to be used'').
:::*In your interactions with your fellow sysops, you are treated as a single person.
:::*Your medical history: every time you excuse your actions with a lack of sleep, etc., it is the story of a single person.
:::Hey, it is the internet: You could be a group of medically enhanced Rottweilers, and until your account is closed by your local dog-catcher, we cannot be sure... But for me, you failed the [[Turing test]] on multi-personality.
:::All of the above is not very important: what counts is that you (and your friends/sysops) know how many you are. You know whether you wish to try to deceive your fellow editors.
:::It is the same as with your dummy account of [[User:Historybuff]]: you know whether you acted immorally. For me, it just seems so - and in the internet, appearance is quite important, as we are not able to prove much.
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:40, 31 December 2014 (EST)
AugustO, as far as the inconceivability of User: Conservative being multiple editors, your lack of imagination and [http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html germanic stubbornness] is not a serious objection.

Second, how would you know if one person or persons using the User: Conservative was using the preview button? Have you done an analysis of the edits concerning this matter? How would you know if persons using the User: Conservative do not use the preview account? How would you know the reason or reasons why "User: Conservativedom" sometimes does not use the preview button?

"User: Conservative" has edited during the day and night. And the illness affecting one of the editors of the User: Conservative account has largely been conquered. For example, a full eight hours of sleep occurred today for the person affected.

Do you believe that one person largely wrote the [[homosexuality]] and the [[Atheist actions against homosexuals]] article (the title of the article was originally Atheist persecution against homosexuals" if memory serves, but one editor within "User: Conservativedom" objected to this title) and that one person wrote both articles. The article [[Atheist actions against homosexuals]] was a shock to those obsessed with the User: Conservative account and the footnoting style is different than the [[homosexuality]] article as well. What are your thoughts on this matter?

Have you read C.S. Lewis's article entitled [http://textualcriticism.scienceontheweb.net/SUPLEM/CSLewis.html Modern Theology and Biblical Criticism]? It should give you pause on psychologically analyzing a writer/writers and his/her/their intentions, etc. etc.

Why don't you ask User: Karajou if User: Conservative is merely one editor? We can guarantee you that User: Karajou will not claim that User: Conservative is merely one editor. Why? Because User: Karajou was informed that more than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account. And User: Karajou has checkuser and could certainly verify this matter.

In addition, we know you were successfully rebuffed about the "historybuff" matter and that you most certainly do not have the moral high ground. You did not prove the identity/identities of the mysterious historybuff. And you acknowledged (after you shown to be acting in an unbecoming manner) that no Conservapedia rule was broken if a person using the historybuff account was an Conservapedia admin (Of course, the same would apply if persons using the account were admins) so you failed again!

Furthermore, has the User: Conservative account edited the [[Sun Tzu]] article? If so, then at least one editor with User: Conservativedom understands the strategy/tactic of stealth and keeping the opposition guessing (User: Conservativedom does not agree with all of Sun Tzu's actions/writings by the way). And we know that the left/liberals such as Alinsky use the tactic of attacking individuals before attacking institutions/groups (Rule #12 of [http://www.bestofbeck.com/wp/activism/saul-alinskys-12-rules-for-radicals Alinsky's rules for radicals]). But, User: Conservative is more than one editor! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:04, 31 December 2014 (EST)
:By the way, German evolutionists did not think that American creationists would land on the beaches of Normandy. But that is exactly what happened!!! (And [[Dwight D. Eisenhower|Dwight D. Eisenhower]] appears to have been a creationist [http://www.icr.org/article/presidential-support-for-creationism/]).

::''"We can guarantee you that User: Karajou will not claim that User: Conservative is merely one editor. Why? Because User: Karajou was informed that more than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account."''
::When did this happen? In the first months of your membership? I doubt it, as it seems unlikely that Andy would bestow such extensive rights as "checkuser" and "administrator" on a communal account.
::Even when I started editing in 2011, you hadn't come out as a multitude, that happened during the last one or two years. So, assuming that there is more than one user at your account, he/she/them were invited to do so somewhat after 2011. Am I right?
::This is quite troubling: your weren't even able to lobby for upload-rights for [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] until now, but you gave some person access to "checkuser", "administrator" and "oversight" rights! Either this person never had an account here at Conservapedia, or it had an account before, but wasn't seen worthy to get these rights which you decided to share.
::I would call this ''nepotism'', and it is impossible to square it with Conservapedia's claim of being a ''meritocracy'':
::::'''''Conservapedia is a meritocracy. Administrators are selected as needed from the best of the best contributors, there is no popularity contest to determine promotion, and nominations not accepted. By your own work shall you be known. '''''
::But that is just a [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|guideline]] - and you are not so awfully keen of them, like:
::::'''''Conservapedia does not allow "sockpuppet" accounts or unaccountable anonymous proxy use. '''''
::''In addition, we know you were successfully rebuffed about the "historybuff" matter and that you most certainly do not have the moral high ground. You did not prove the identity/identities of the mysterious historybuff. And you acknowledged (after you shown to be acting in an unbecoming manner) that no Conservapedia rule was broken if a person using the historybuff account was an Conservapedia admin (Of course, the same would apply if persons using the account were admins) so you failed again! ''
::You were [[User:Historybuff]]. The little incident of your intermingled comments at the main talk page made this obvious. [[User:Karajou]] could prove it. Thereby '''you broke a rule (or do you claim that it is just a ''guideline'' and doesn't apply to you?)'''
::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:39, 2 January 2015 (EST)
:::Why are you assuming that User: Conservative may be merely two persons? Why not more?

:::The User: Conservative account will continue to be shrouded in mystery to you - a black box of conservatism!

:::As far as the meritocracy issue, the User: Conservative account produces articles that are useful and of interest to the public, well-researched, accurate and scrupulously footnoted. The articles are some of the most popular articles at Conservapedia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:27, 2 January 2015 (EST)

::::*The problems which I mentioned above just increase if there are more than two editors
::::*So, you decided what merits being "administrator" or having "checkuser" rights? Isn't that the kind of ''nomination'' which is explicitly frowned upon in the guidelines?
::::*How many socks are there for your account? I repeat, running User:Historybuff was against Conservapedia's guidelines, and the smokescreen which you put up here won't change this fact.
::::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:19, 2 January 2015 (EST)
高深莫測 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:29, 2 January 2015 (EST)
:There is nothing ''inscrutable'' (?) about it. You are just unwilling to take responsibility for your actions. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 01:53, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::The User: Conservative account was given admin status before the guidelines page was created. The puts a spanner in your germanic stubbornness, your germanic argumentativeness and your germanic obsession with tradition/rules, Herr O![http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html] Secondly, Conservapedia's policies/rules were not broken. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:10, 3 January 2015 (EST)

:::You created your sock [[User:Historybuff]] on Aug 2, 2014, violating the guideline which is in place since years:
::::'''''Conservapedia does not allow "sockpuppet" accounts or unaccountable anonymous proxy use. '''''
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:54, 3 January 2015 (EST)
First socks, then shoes. Have you ever examined Conservapedia's logo? In America, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. You never demonstrated that an editor (or editors) of the User: Conservative account edited using the historybuff account.

Second, the point is moot as the former Admin Rob Smith made an appellation to a guideline which affects matters as can be seen [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Sockpuppet&diff=892529&oldid=890286 HERE]. And Admin Joaquin Martinez has edited Conservapedia using various accounts and Aschlafly has never once expressed displeasure about this matter. So your quest to prevail in this matter is futile. It is quite impossible that a guideline was broken in this matter!

Feel free to engage in [[last wordism]] at juncture. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:09, 3 January 2015 (EST)

:*Do you deny that [[User:Historybuff]] was your sock?
:*Joaquín Martínez doesn't try to hide his identity by using various accounts.
:*I stick to the commandments and guidelines, thank you.
:Feel free to run away. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:15, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::AugustO, you remind me of the person who became upset with me when I performed the en passant move in a chess game and captured his pawn. He was not familiar with the en passant rule and claimed a rule was being broken by me. Prove your allegation and ignorance of Conservapedia's rules is no excuse. Checkmate, Herr O!!! Once again, you battled against the User: Conservative account and was easily and effortlessly defeated! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:32, 3 January 2015 (EST)
:::At least you admit that [[User:Historybuff]] was your pawn. Using it was just not a ''clever move'', but an act of deceit. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:37, 3 January 2015 (EST)
No admission was made. Prove your allegation and know the rules before you claim a rule was broken! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:41, 3 January 2015 (EST)

== Happy New Year ==

The editors of the User: Conservative account wish you a happy new year. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:06, 2 January 2015 (EST)
==Unblock==
Dear AugustO,
Thank you for unblocking me. At the same time, TAR also blocked my IP address. If you have access to the block log, could you please unblock that IP as well? Many thanks. Cheers, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 15:59, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 17:43, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:: "Cheers?" I lived and worked in England and France for 4 years. I very rarely hear Americans say "Cheers". In my limited experience, usually Brits and Australians say it. You Wschact have said it a lot here on CP. Of course, nothing at all wrong with having British or Australian editors here -- on the contrary, the diversity is wonderful. However, you perhaps being from one of those two rather liberal [[gun free zone]] countries would explain your frequent anti-American [[liberal bias]] in your frequent deletions of strong conservative American and especially firearms/Second Amendment related materials. Now it makes more sense. When I lived over there I frequently heard [[NRA]] Second Amendment bashing. I guess you and other self-described, so-called "moderate" ([[RINO]] or actual [[liberal]]) [[gun control|anti-self defense]] CP editors perhaps have never seen this flyer. Please examine this [[World War II]] flyer: https://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/b4/c5/b4c52576c5d83bde287c5f26a41b9ba5.jpg?itok=wQk-jVj6
::http://www.examiner.com/article/would-you-send-a-gun-to-defend-a-british-home

::Perhaps [[User:Conservative]], Karajou or JPatt, when you get a chance would please upload this picture to CP under the file name "Send a gun to defend a British home.jpg"? I would like to use it in both an article and an Pro Second Amendment essay such as [[Essay:France Pays Dearly - Liberal Gun Control Laws and Gun Free Zones that Welcome Terrorists]]. Some of my essays ([[Conservapedia:Essays#Firearms_and_the_Second_Amendment]]) will be good conservative American Patriot "[[Essay:Sheepdogs_for_the_sheeple|sheepdog]]" responses to AugustO and Wshacts deletion of Second Amendment, Tenth Amendment States' rights and other firearms related conservative content. Thanks.
::[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 09:38, 13 January 2015 (EST)

:::If you wish to talk with [[User:Wschact]] about your time in England, perhaps you should unblock him... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:31, 13 January 2015 (EST)

== On cats and lives ==

[[User:Conservative]], please stand by your threats:
A cat only has so many lives. I think you are on your 8th. But in all of the excitement lately, maybe its your 9th. Do you fell lucky? Don't count on me bailing you out if you go against Karajou and TheAmericanRedoubt. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:10, 13 January 2015 (EST)
Well, [[User:Conservative]], I don't intend to "go against Karajou and TheAmericanRedoubt". But if anything happens to my current live, I just hope that you will do the right thing - one can dream. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:30, 13 January 2015 (EST)
:Glad to hear. Good faith editors should not be pestered. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:20, 14 January 2015 (EST)
::I promise to do the right thing. If you are blocked unfairly, I will unblock you.

::Second, have you seen [http://www.iwebtool.com/alexa_traffic_rank?domain=creation.com&data=p&range=2y THIS]? It looks like 2015 could easily be the WORST year in the history of Darwinism! 2014 was a TERRIBLE year for evolutionism.

::Who knows what surprises [[Creation Ministries International]] and the [[Discovery Institute]] will unleash on Darwinism in 2015?!!!![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:17, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:::''"I promise to do the right thing. If you are blocked unfairly, I will unblock you."'' I couldn't ask for more. Unfortunately, our view about unfair blocks differ: I think that my last block - two days for reinserting a section to [[User talk:Aschlafly]] (because ''A talk page is a user's castle!'') - was unfair, seen that deleting [[User talk:SamHB]] against the explicit wishes of the user stayed unsanctioned: see [[User_talk:Aschlafly#Deuteronomy_25:13-15]] --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:05, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::::You carp about others breaking rule or supposedly breaking rules. You are not above the rules! As a German, one would think you would thank me for my germanic insistence that you obey the rules also! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:18, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:::::I'm sure that I'll be admonished every time I break a rule or violate a guideline of this site! What about you? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:22, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::::::I don't detect a thankfulness for my correction. You still have a rebellious spirit! :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:36, 15 January 2015 (EST)

===In 19 Months AugustO submits 2 New 1 Paragraph Articles, 13 New Talk Pages; in 2 weeks 83 Related to TheAmericanRedoubt===
Since the 22nd of May 2013 ([[Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=AugustO]]) Mr. O has written 2 new 1 paragraph long articles: [[Sleswick-Holsatia]] and [[Ceslas Spicq]]. Also 1 new redirect page "article" ([[Amu]]). He has created 13 new Talk Page articles. 83 of his edits in only 2 weeks have been of my work or related to my work.
Perhaps he might want to please consider paying more attention to this [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#90.2F10_Rule]] instead of to every detail of my numerous new article and essay contributions.
The gentleman "doth protest too much, methinks". :-)
[[Patience]] is a [[virtue]] Mr. O seem to be still attempting to master.
[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 18:08, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:Yes, I'm annoyed, too, by the effort it takes to get you to make the slightest corrections, like: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor&curid=2830&diff=1132468&oldid=1132467 the category at Attack on Pearl Harbor]. You are still producing a plethora of red links - though you have promised otherwise - and I won't ignore this. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:19, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:: I just now gave temporary 1 day block since he is ignoring numerous advice from Admin [[User:Conservative]] and continues to violate the 90/10 rule. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 18:25, 15 January 2015 (EST)

----
Well, [[User:Conservative]], time to think what the right thing to do is... Will you support this abuse of the 90/10 rule? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:34, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:I receive a report that you are blocking the good faith efforts of someone who wants to create content.

:I think you are on your way to having your blocking rights removed. If that happens, a long block against you could last quite a long time. Due to my reduced activity level, I might not even notice if you are blocked for some time even if I was going to undo the block.

:I have some projects I am tackling plus I expect to be tacking two more soon so I need to catch up on things. I had an accident happen to me recently and was temporarily injured which set me behind on things. But I recovered recently so I am moving forward. So I told the editor that I cannot referee this one and to refer the matter to Karajou. Try not to pick any unnecessary fights with other editors. That is my advice. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:15, 15 January 2015 (EST)

::So, you would always do the right thing, if not all members of your collective were to busy... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:23, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::(EC) Sorry to hear about your accident, I wish you a speedy recovery! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:25, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:::Thanks on wishes for a recovery.

:::Second, User: ConservativeS (plural) fought an ideological [http://www.thefreedictionary.com/delaying+action delaying action] as far as evangelical/militant atheism caused by the fad of [[New Atheism]], but as you can see [http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=atheist%2C%20atheism%2C%20New%20atheism%2C%20richard%20dawkins&cmpt=q&tz= HERE] and the articles [[global atheism|decline of global atheism]] and [[atheist movement|decline of the atheist movement]], the cavalry of Christian apologists, atheists shooting themselves in the foot and circumstances has arrived!!!

:::To a large degree, our work is done. Like the proverbial and mysterious, [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068699/ high plains drifter/gunslinger], we will be less active and largely ride off into the sunset. :) It's time to tackle new challenges. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:09, 15 January 2015 (EST)

@AugustO: I would recommend that you accept what Conservapedia has become, and stop trying to change that. You are in great danger. User TAR, who doesn't seem to be well-versed in how this place operates, has been making extremely thinly-veiled threats against you, with the reference to 8 lives or whatever. A phrase that he seems to have picked up from Cons. Stay away. That's what I'm doing.

@Cons: (1) You might want to remind TAR that a few days ago he made an edit with the word "insidious" in the comment, referring to what he was reverting. You might want to remind him that people have gotten into a lot of trouble for using inflammatory words in edit comments. Like "hideous", if I recall correctly. (2) Perhaps you ought to be careful about saying that your work is done and that you might "ride off into the sunset" and "tackle new challenges". Someone might come along and delete your user and talk pages :-) :-) :-).

@both of you: I was delighted to see you two having a conversation on my talk page recently, and I have joined in the conversation. Feel free to come and visit me. I can't really go "outside" when my home state is described as treasonous, so I have to stay at home. I get lonely at times.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:21, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:I'm aware of the - rather unveiled - threads, both by [[User:Conservative]] and [[User:TheAmericanRecoubt]]. Conservapedia stands at a croosroad at this moment, and for me, it is just irresponsible not to show the pitfalls of the way which is likely to be chosen.... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:34, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::AugustO, if you get blocked by someone, don't count on me to look into the matter or to notice. I am less active on the wiki now and plan on being less active as well.

::In addition, lately you have become so petty and contentious, I cannot say it would trouble me if you no longer edited the wiki. No hard feelings, but that's just the way it is. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:26, 16 January 2015 (EST)

== FFAF is not a sock account ==

FFAF is not a sock account. Didn't the Facebook category tag for [[Freedom from Atheism Foundation]] which I removed tell you that it was not a sock? I don't think Aschalfly account will be creating a Facebook category tag anytime soon. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:23, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:*How did [[User:Karajou]] deduce that it is in fact a sock-account? He has "checkuser"-rights, hasn't he?
:*You pride yourself with stealth and subterfuge, therefore I cannot take the things you say at face value. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:57, 14 January 2015 (EST)
::Stealth is not telling untruths. A stealth fighter pilot is not lying to the radar operators of an opposing country. :)

::Karajou probably blocked the person because there was overlap with another person using the same IP for some reason.

::Third, people often think reciprocity is deserved when they do something for others. The Freedom from Atheism Foundation (FFAF) has plugged several CP atheism articles. So it is natural that someone would create an article on their foundation at CP. Given that CP covers the atheism topic with some depth, a volunteer/fan of theirs adding an article on FFAF is not unreasonable. Social media plays a significant role in social movements and they have a notable and growing social media presence. They are also financially backed by a large foundation I have been told. Furthermore, they are taking steps to grow into a much larger organization. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:31, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:::August0 why do you say that I am a 'sock' of Conservative ? I don't even know that that means ? [[User:FFAF|FFAF]] 09:37, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::::A sock is a sockpuppet. A sockpuppet is a duplicate user account. Don't worry about it. I am an admin and I straightened out the misunderstanding. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:33, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:::::This is indeed troubling. If FFAF is unduly blocked, Conservative may not notice due to time/commitments and having largely ridden off into the sunset like the Lone/Many Ranger(s). Then who will revert FFAF's unfair block? Perhaps one of the other admins should keep a particular eye out for FFAF being harassed or blocked. Incidentally, I have changed a section heading in [[Essay:Worst Liberal Movies]]. Somebody please check it; I believe it is an improvement as mentioned in [[Talk:Essay:Worst Liberal Movies]]. :) [[User:ConsMovies|ConsMovies]] 09:56, 20 January 2015 (EST)

== My Approach to the Categorization Problem ==

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Here is what I'll do when I encounter nonsensical categories:
*I will delete them - once.
*I will explain the deletion on the talk-page.
If the categories are reintroduced, so be it.

In this case, I deleted [[:Category : Science Fiction]] (already covered by [[:Category:Science Fiction Authors]]), [[:Category : Dystopian Fiction]] (covered by [[:Category : Dystopian Fiction Authors]], and [[:Category : Libertarianism]] (covered by [[:Category : Libertarian Authors]]). --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:41, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:Enjoy your preoccupation with category tags and your blocking powers while you can. Because they are both coming to an end! You were warned Category Tag Nazi! Your blitzkreig of category tag complaints will soon be kaput! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:00, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::[[User:Conservative]], you are insulting me. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:04, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:::You are being inhospitable to new editors and needlessly contentious. I have had it. I asked the owner of the website to strip you of your blocking powers. I believe Karajou agrees with me on this matter. I am not going to discuss this matter with you anymore because it is obvious that I am talking to a brick wall. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:32, 16 January 2015 (EST)

It will be very ironic to be punished for something which should be so uncontroversial as the first rule of categorization: ''nothing should be [in]* a category and [at the same time in]* one of its (direct) super/sub-categories.'' Andy often emphasizes the importance of logic for this site, so it is very surprising that he'll enforce (as you, [[User:Conservative]] imply) illogical categorization!

It is really not rocket-science: R. Heinlein was an author who wrote science-fiction - thereby he belongs into [[:category:Science Fiction Authors]]. He doesn't belong into [[:category:Science Fiction]], as any reader who looks at [[:category:Science Fiction]] will be surprised that he obviously doesn't fit in a subcategory....

OTOH [[:category:Best Selling Authors]] should not be a sub-category of [[:category:Science Fiction Authors]] (as it is now), as it includes authors like Glenn Beck and Agatha Christie... [[:category:Best Selling Authors]] is also at the moment a sub-category of [[:category:Liberal Authors]], implying that all best sellers are written by liberals...

New editors should understand logic, too! So, please, show a little bit more logic, and a little less aggression. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:34, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:Don't think listing someone as an "African" and a "African author" or a "conservative" and "conservative author" is the end of the world. This is especially true for small categories. I abridged the manual of style. Wsacht's endless fussing which sometimes was petty was tiresome. So is yours. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:54, 16 January 2015 (EST)</div>
(*: edited for clarification)

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:42, 17 January 2015 (EST)
== Biblical creationism will be strong in 2015 ==

See: [[Essay: Biblical creationism will be strong in 2015]].

Stronger, higher, faster! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:46, 17 January 2015 (EST)

:Hey, another prediction! Go, Team Conservative! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:43, 18 January 2015 (EST)

== Jawohl? ==

Some German character traits mentioned by the the Schnitzel Republic: Stubbornness, efficiency/economical and constructive creativeness.[http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html]

[[Essay: What if I fail?]]

There is a little bit of German in every great champion? Jawohl? :)

You will do your category tags right. We must have order! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:34, 20 January 2015 (EST)

:One of the most childish comments I've read on Conservapeida. Shouldn't an administrator of Conservapedia, someone who represents this site, stand above mocking ordinary editors? Not everything can be excused by your relative youth: you are a member of this site for nearly eight years - so, even if you have started as a high-school pupil, you should have finished college by now. Start to act the part!

:I haven't read your essay yet: is it about failed predictions? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:11, 20 January 2015 (EST)
::What failed predictions? Could you be more specific? We both know that you cannot! Define the word "soon" taking into account Christian patience and persistence and not worldly impatience! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:31, 20 January 2015 (EST)
:::You are sounding like Bill Clinton: "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is". --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:36, 20 January 2015 (EST)

:::From the [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soon Merriam Webster]:

:::{|
|<div style="margin: 10px; padding: 10px; background-color: lightgreen">
#''obsolete'': at once : immediately
#without undue time lapse : before long [soon after sunrise]
#in a prompt manner : speedily [as soon as possible] [the sooner the better] [no sooner said than done]
#''archaic'' : before the usual time
#''in agreement with one's choice or preference'': willingly [I'd just as soon walk as drive]
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|}
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:47, 20 January 2015 (EST)
Feel free to demonstrate there has been a undue time lapse. Something you have never done! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:57, 20 January 2015 (EST)

=== The ''Question evolution! campaign booklet'' Saga ===

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|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120215050509/http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page Feb 15, 2012]
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|A Question evolution! campaign group now has 3 writers and at least 3 Question Evolution! booklets/books will be coming out. Some of the booklets/books will be designed for young people.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120501184006/http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page May 1, 2012]
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|A 15 questions for evolutionists booklet and book for middle school students will soon be coming out and they are going to be heavily promoted and distributed.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120619134057/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jun 19,2012]
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|SS Evolution! passengers get on your life jackets! A barrage of 100+ page Question evolution! campaign booklet torpedoes is headed your way!
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120919002949/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Sep 19, 2012]
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|The Question evolution! book for middle school students, edited by a Christian apologist, gains in popularity.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20130711205854/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jul 11, 2013]
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|Canadian teacher at a Christian school will be serving as a science editor of the Question evolution! campaign book for middle school students.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20130718204401/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jul 18, 2013]
|}

'''Three years ago''': ''the booklet is going to be released'', '''two and a half year ago''': ''it will soon be coming out'', '''two years ago''': ''it is headed your way!'', '''one and a half year ago''': ''it gains in popularity''. Yeah, that's an "''undue time lapse''", as nothing has happened!

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:08, 20 January 2015 (EST)
: A few things:

:First an excerpt from some writer: "It’s taken almost five more years of hard work, and plenty of rejection, to get to the point where I’m happy to let something mellow in a drawer for a while before sending it out, or where I can stand the (admittedly) long wait times it takes to hear back from literary journals."[http://goinswriter.com/patience/] Another excerpt from a writer: "My CP [critique partner] wrote and worked and studied for TEN YEARS before getting published."[http://www.charissaweaks.com/2013/06/a-writers-most-important-lesson-patience.html] Good writing takes time. Next time you feel yourself being impatient about various announcements of events happening soon, see it as an exercise in patience. It would also be helpful, if you had something to pass the time. Why don't you work on providing satisfactory answers to the [http://creation.com/15-questions 15 questions for evolutions]. That is something you never did!

:We have been sparring about creation/evolution and wiki matters for awhile. I thought my recent post which featured a post from blog which focuses on German culture/Germany was funny and so did my friend who is of German descent. You did not find it humorous. Given your recent bout of ill humor and my recent schedule demands, I think it is best if I largely take a break from sparring with you on talk pages. No hard feelings on my part. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:43, 20 January 2015 (EST)

First, let me say what a pleasure it is to visit once agin with my favorite two people, this time in August's house. The view from your front window is specactular, and your music collection is most impressive. (I'd like to meet in Cons's house next time, but he keeps it locked. He has a front entryway, but he keeps burning it down.)

Now Cons, I'd like to talk to you about offensive national stereotypes. This is serious, and I'd like you to pay attention. Really. I apologize if this comes across as mindless "political correctness", but I'm serious.

I spent a fair amount of time this morning reading a number of web pages and other sources about what "wohl" and "Ja wohl" really mean. It's a very complicated and nuanced word. Google translate says "well", in the health sense, along with "probably", "perhaps", "possibly", etc. The Harper-Collins ''German Concise Dictionary'' (it's anything but concise!) lists it as a "Schlüsselwort" (key word, important word) and gives many meanings, including "comfortable" and "at ease", along with a great number of idioms, such as "er weiß das sehr wohl" -- "he knows that perfectly well". (But they've gotten rid of the "ß", haven't they?) The combination "Ja wohl" means "yes emphatically" or "yes certainly". As a response to a request it begins to take on the meaning that you seem to ascribe to it, from watching ''Hogan's Heros'' and various other silly World War II things: "Yes, sir!" or "I'll do it right away!"

There are web pages that go into detail about its "Yes, sir!" meaning in the military, and the fact that many Americans associate that with the Nazi era.

I've read the "Schnitzelrepublic" web page. It was well-written, light-hearted, and affectionate. But I don't think you have used the term in a light-hearted way with AugustO. Please remember that people can easily be offended by thoughtless national stereotypes, especially when those stereotypes are informed by a ''Hogan's Heros'' mentality. And please remember that the Nazi era was not a pleasant time, for Germany or anyone else, and try to make more erudite (love that word!) and well-thought-out comments.

That said, I'm sure AugustO is very efficient. :-)

Now you two can go back to fighting over what "soon" means, especially in the context of saying just when a booklet will be coming out. Three years is a long time to wait, but I'm sure it will be worth the wait. Idea: Cons, why don't you promise not to block either of us until the booklet comes out?

One more thing: August: can you send me a usable email address? I will not divulge it to anyone else without your permission. My email is at the top of my user page.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:52, 21 January 2015 (EST)
::::''Hi - A[...] O[...] --EOM'' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:08, 21 January 2015 (EST)
::I think we're all glad to hear that the RMS ''Creationist'' is plowing full-steam ahead into the iceberg of Darwinism.--[[User:DonnyC|DonnyC]] 22:44, 20 January 2015 (EST)
:::That literally made me laugh out loud, something which the internet rarely accomplishes. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:52, 21 January 2015 (EST)

'''@User:Conservative:''' Interesting quotes. I'm missing the part where they are telling you ''oh, you must announce your book first, and then start to write it!'' BTW: I don't see your announcements as ''exercises in patience'', I see them as ''misleading advertising''. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:16, 21 January 2015 (EST)

== Speaking of predictions ==

Looking at Recent Changes this morning, I saw that JoeyJ has deleted a very interesting talk page. (The corresponding article page had been deleted by AddisonDM a few years earlier.)

The pages are
:*[[User:Conservative/Gentlemen-the-anti-evolution-D-Days-are-going-to-be-happening-the-first-quarter-of-the-calendar-year-of-2009]]
:*[[User_talk:Conservative/Gentlemen-the-anti-evolution-D-Days-are-going-to-be-happening-the-first-quarter-of-the-calendar-year-of-2009]]
:The talk page had contained this question from EddyJ:
:*"How did the D Days of the first quarter of the calendar year of 2009 work out? Almost five years later, is evolution still around?"

This brings up the question: Just how ''did'' those D-Days turn out? Is evolution still around 6 years later?

And, speaking of predictions, a question was raised a few months back (too lazy too look it up; I'm sure you know what I'm talking about) along the lines of "Evolutionists: Beware the Ides of March". Well, that date is coming up real soon now. Can the author tell me just what I'm supposed to be afraid of?

This is not the first year that dire predictions have been made for the Ides of March. In none of the past cases am I aware that the predicted doom came to pass. Can someone tell me what I missed? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 13:33, 22 February 2015 (EST)

== User talk:OGSMEDIA ==

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{{welcome|OGSMEDIA}}--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:10, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Unfortunately, OGS Media sounds like the advertising department of "Offgrid Survival"... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:10, 16 January 2015 (EST)
: Could you please explain your relationship to Off Grid Survival Media? Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 14:31, 20 January 2015 (EST)</div>

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:18, 20 January 2015 (EST)

== @User:Conservative: NOTE to Fellow Editors and Admins ==

(As usual [[User talk:Conservative]] is protected, otherwise I'd bring up this topic over there)

User:Conservative, you have deleted [[Talk:Gardening]] and [[Talk:Yoga]], presumably to get rid of [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]]'s announcement:
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|'''NOTE to Fellow Editors and Admins:''' Please note that I am a trained (both in Asia and the USA) and certified professional practitioner / subject matter expert in the field of Complementary medicine / [[Alternative medicine]], particularly [[Traditional Chinese medicine]]-[[Acupuncture]], [[Ayurvedic medicine]] and [[nutrition]] for the last 19 years.

'''I am a also a life-long [[gardener]] who is certified in [[Permaculture]] [[gardening]] (completed a [[Permaculture design course]] ([[PDC]])'''

Through the month of December 2014 and January 2015, I am working many hours per week on editing Conservapedia. For specifically on a collapsible "See Also" navigation template for the diverse topics of the [[Alternative medicine]], [[First aid]], [[Permaculture]] [[gardening]], [[Firearms]], [[:Category:Survivalism|Emergency preparedness]] and [[Amateur radio]] articles I am also working on and articles on related topics.

I will also be working on the Categories for all of these Alternative medicine topics and related [[Healthcare]], [[Cooking]] and Nutrition categories and items such as [[spices]] (which are related to [[health]] and nutrition)

So, I please request your patience in considering not deleting articles or content I have submitted in these subject areas without first discussing it on the Talk Page and letting me know on my User Page, if you would be so kind.

Also, please note that I plan to rapidly submit articles for the "red links". Thank you for your patience.
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Do you intend to get rid of it on pages like the following, too?

*[[Talk:Permaculture design course]]
*[[Talk:First aid]]
*[[Talk:Hugelkultur]]

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:07, 3 February 2015 (EST)
:You can delete the alternative medicine entries. That was agreed on.

:Keep the material related to conservatism, survivalism, amateur radio, preparedness, guns, cooking, first aid, permaculture, etc.

:Much of the talk page additions by TAR were related to Wsacht hounding. They were "preemptive strikes/justifications/defenses". That is why I deleted those TAR article talk pages. The Wasacht hounding issue appears to be solved. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:21, 3 February 2015 (EST)
::We seem to have quite different ideas of "hounding". Well, I leave it for now... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:44, 3 February 2015 (EST)
:::I got [[User:JoeyJ]] page deletion rights. Please ask him to delete any unnecessary talk pages that were created during the TAR/Wsacht feud. You can put the deletion tags on them and JoeyJ can delete them.

:::I am guessing TAR will be back within 1-14 days based on my recent communication with him. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:19, 3 February 2015 (EST)

::::Thanks, but it is a tedious task, and I think, I've done my share. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:35, 3 February 2015 (EST)

== Evolutionary belief in Germany: Its future in Germany is kaput! And you still can't satisfactorily answer the 15 questions for evolutionists ==

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I just read this:

Reporter David Wroe adds, “Creationism—the belief that Genesis and other books of the Bible explain life on Earth—is gaining strength in Germany.” He cites a recent University of Dortmund survey that showed that around a fifth of future teachers and a similar proportion of those who had studied basic biology doubted evolution, along with one in eleven who were studying for a higher degree in biology. Meanwhile, private Christian schools are growing more popular, half of which are represented by the creation-promoting Association of Evangelical Schools. Even evolutionist Dittmar Graf says he is “really sure that the percentage of Germans who doubt evolution is going up and up.” Source: [https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/creation-in-germany/ Creationism in Germany, 2009]

On March 17, 2014, the news website ''Deutsche Well'' reported that evangelical Christianity has doubled in [[Germany]] in the last 10 years.[http://www.dw.de/ghanaian-pastor-seeks-to-re-christianize-germany/a-17501259]

And you still cannot satisfactorily answer the [https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/creation-in-germany/ 15 questions] for evolutionists! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:48, 12 February 2015 (EST)</div>

Thank you for the interesting links - no need to erase them! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:59, 16 February 2015 (EST)

:Oh Cons! Did you [[memory hole]] your edit of 04:48, 12 February? Shame on you! Bad, naughty Cons! You know better than to do that. For your penance, I'd like you to make 77 edits to the "Atheism vs. Islam" article, within the space of 10 hours. Oh, I see you already did that. Good. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:25, 17 February 2015 (EST)

== Reading the Bible in Koine Greek ==

My friend is going to learn Koine Greek in order to be able to read the New Testament in its original language. Are you able to do that now fluently?

Do you own an English version of a Bible? If so, what English version do you like? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:30, 18 February 2015 (EST)

:User:Conservative, a short time ago, you wrote that you do not talk about your personal affairs. So, why should I? Unless, we make it a little ''quid pro quo'':
:*How is your Greek?
:*Which version of the Bible do you own? What English version of the Bible do you like?
:I'll answer your questions ''after'' you have answered the questions above. Otherwise I'm quite willing to tell you about the experiences a friend of mine had with the Greek language.
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:43, 18 February 2015 (EST)
::An editor using the User: Conservative account would like to take you up on your offer in this manner, answer your questions in relation to English versions of the Bible (any non-English versions will not be included) and of course I will answer the Greek question too. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:47, 25 March 2015 (EDT)

:::I'm confused: is this secondary user of your account the friend you spoke about? Are you, the main user, interested in Greek? Never mind, I'm waiting for your answers:
:::*How is your Greek?
:::*Which version of the Bible do you own? What English version of the Bible do you like?
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]]
My knowledge of Koine Greek is poor. It consists of just a few words learned through sermons (for example, the words agape, phileo, eros, [http://www.gotquestions.org/dunamis-meaning.html dunamis], etc. etc.).

I own these versions: NASB, NKJV, KJV, J.B Phillips translation of the New Testament and the NIV (not a big fan of the NIV).

Except for the NIV, I like all of the versions of the Bible I own. Each one has its own flavor. I also like the Berkeley Version and this [http://www.genevabible.com/ new version of the Geneva Bible]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:36, 26 March 2015 (EDT)

:*I got my [[Graecum]] at school, after learning classical Greek for four years. At university, I took a course in ''Bibelgriechisch'' (Greek of the Bible / Koine Greek). So, I'm able to ''translate'' verses, but would have trouble to make polite conversation with the Apostle Matthew.... To understand the subtleties of the texts, I have to consult commentaries.
:*No, I don't own a hard-copy of an English version of the Bible, but thanks to the internet, I can read many versions. In German, I prefer the Lutherbibel, and the first English version I look up is always the [[KJB]].
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:34, 28 March 2015 (EDT)
::Thanks. I am torn between doing Bible memorization and learning Koine Greek. I may do both, but probably just one in the short term given the number of various projects I have committed myself to.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:54, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

:::I've great respect for those who know large portions of the Bible by heart because they studied it, preached about it, used it - and every Christian should know at least some verses!
:::OTOH, memorizing the Bible for its own sake doesn't strike me as an intellectual endeavor - any third-rate actor should be able to do so. In my experience, those who have memorized it for its own sake are a lot like vegans - it is one of the first things about themselves they bring up in any conversation....
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:29, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
Some branches of psychology are pseudosciences and laymen are able to do just as well as trained professionals. At the same time, cognitive psychology is very useful and helps with such things as designing airplane cockpit instrument panels and increase people's intellectual abilities. [http://www.amazon.com/Your-Memory-How-Works-Improve/dp/1569246297 This book] shows people how to boost their memory by about 40-60% or more using various memory techniques and I believe it was written by a cognitive psychologist. The figures of 40-60% or more is based on experimental evidence. I plan on learning these techniques this year.

[http://www.amazon.com/How-Read-Book-Intelligent-Touchstone/dp/0671212095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417944498&sr=8-1&keywords=how+to+read+a+book This book], written by the well-known educator/philosopher Mortimer Adler, which sold over 500,000 books and is considered a classic, shows people how to increase their reading comprehension and a website I visited highly recommended this book and I plan on reading it this year.

After all is said and done, in order to better study/apply information, you need to be able to comprehend it and recall it. So memorization/comprehension are fundamental skills worth enhancing as they increase your efficiency/speed of learning. And part of that process can certainly include practicing new memory skills.

The Book of Daniel noted that knowledge will increase in the end times and we live at a time of a knowledge explosion in many respects so these skills are very useful now. I am a big believer in lifelong learning and chided my friend who recently said she was too old to learn. I told her that the mind is like a muscle and if you don't exercise it you will stagnate.

Lastly, I believe there are benefits of taking time to memorizing Scripture and some of them are given below.

:Fine, then do so. Please inform me ''after'' you have completed this task. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:28, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
::Actually, after I finished my university education, I took some college courses and in one of them I memorized Scripture. So I already started the process.

::Second, there is an additional thing I wanted to say: "Overlearning is the repeated practice of a skill or study of material to further strengthen memory and performance. Rehearsal enhances performance past the initial point of learning because the neural processes involved become more efficient and recall speed improves."[http://www.alleydog.com/glossary/definition.php?term=Overlearning] One of the key concepts of learning is learning through repetition and memorization involves repetition. It also causes saturation of learning and saturation can increase your depth of understanding and saturation of learning [http://www.ez3dbiz.com/ez_creativity.html has been linked to increased creativity] (You can better creatively apply your knowledge).

::Another key point is that at times of temptation, it helps if something is second nature to you. Martial artists repeat movements over and over and over and so things become second nature. So they can perform movements without even thinking about it so to speak. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:47, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

:::Good for you. I just think that learning a language is a more enriching task. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:49, 2 April 2015 (EDT)

=== Benefits of memorizing Scripture ===

*[http://sukofamily.org/?p=1434 Benefits of memorizing Scripture]

*[http://www.examiner.com/article/the-benefits-of-memorizing-scripture Benefits of memorizing Scripture - Examiner]

*[http://www.weirdunsocializedhomeschoolers.com/scripture-memory/ Scripture memory box]

I agree with this person who said:

"The perceived value of memorizing scripture, or of memorizing anything for that matter, has fallen on hard times in recent years. Trends in education, and the pervasive belief that memorization is simply a rote practice that has no real impact on true learning, have relegated memorization to an outdated, dusty tool. However, in dismissing the value of memorization, we have lost the practice of internalizing things that are worth keeping and pondering.

Memorization, whether of poetry, a favorite quote or of Scripture, allows you to reflect on the meaning of words repeatedly and in depth. The ultimate goal of memorization is not to regurgitate a thought for the sake of that accomplishment alone, but to allow the words to affect your thinking and your perspective. People who memorize poetry tend to do so because the words carry message that resonates with them."[http://www.examiner.com/article/the-benefits-of-memorizing-scripture]

"Scripture Memorization Works:

Every time we think a thought, including when we memorize and meditate on scripture, our brains are changed. Dr. Amen, a clinical neuroscientist and psychiatrist and author of Making a Good Brain Great, says, “Every time you have a thought your brain releases chemicals. ... Your thoughts
... positive or negative ... make you feel good or they make you feel bad.” What you read and what you say to yourself, changes ever so slightly the neuropathways of your brain and that, in turn, influences your attitudes, behaviors, and emotions. Scripture memorization allows you to choose words and images that shape your mind and heart. It works in us even when we are not conscious of its doing so." For more information please see: [http://mcswichita.net/Teaching/006-ScriptureMemorization&Meditation-JT.pdf SCRIPTURE MEMORIZATION & MEDITATION by By Pastor Jerry Truex] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:21, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

== Recent news report about creationism in Germany/Europe ==

[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2015/03/science-nordic-5-year-study-shows.html Science Nordic: Creationism is spreading in Europe/Germany]

:''Yes, my evolutionist friends, even in the atheistic Netherlands some schools are now teaching creationism! '' You don't know much about the Netherlands, do you? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:43, 15 March 2015 (EDT)

== Spoiling for a fight? ==

No, I'm not. I've avoided Conservapedia for a couple of weeks, and I tried not to get sucked into any debates. But - as usual - I cannot let Andy Schlafly's ''"attempts"'' on translating the Bible (see [[User_talk:Aschlafly#The_Son_of_God]] and [[Son of Man]]) stand without protest. So, here I am again, going through my watchlist, addressing points I've missed (perhaps a little bit more curmudgeonly than necessary, but I'm irked). --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:06, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
:Do you think you are going to change Schlafly's view on the authorship of Hebrews or that he will cause you to adopt his view? Do you think you are going to change other people's minds about this matter? When I saw your recent edits (including the talk page comment directed towards me), the most reasonable explanation is "spoiling for a fight". [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:50, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
:::When I started at Conservapedia four years ago, I thought that one could have interesting discussion on Biblical Greek and gain insights by joined translations. Unfortunately, now I have to admit that this was just wishful thinking: it is the other way round. At first, you have an '''''insight''''' by A. Schlafly, and then, everything, even God's Word is bend to fit the insight.
::"Fourth, argumentative. This one.....some folks might argue about (get it?). Germans can find a thousand things to argue about. It could be one guy planting shrubs of a disliked nature that the neighbor can't stand. It could be the act of cranking your car for two minutes in winter to warm it up. One minute of such a cranking would be tolerated, but not two, and thus inviting an argument sooner or later."[http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html] - taken from the essay'' The Seven Personality Traits of a German'' posted at the blog Schnitzel Republic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:53, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
:::Spouting national stereotypes is certainly an excellent way to calm down your interlocutors.
:::But yes, when I spot litter, I pick it up. When I see a rubbish translation based only on a dubious insight, I argue against it. I won't get a clean world, I won't improve the CBP very much (it is just abysmal). But I try. ''Deutsch sein heißt, eine Sache um ihrer selbst willen zu tun.'' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:12, 15 March 2015 (EDT)

== Categories again ==

This page is so fascinating! I hadn't looked at it for a while.

I have made a small edit to [[Power plant]], in keeping with my vision of categories for electrical things. See [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Alternating_Current_%28AC%29&action=historysubmit&diff=1146349&oldid=1146319] and [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Direct_current&action=historysubmit&diff=1146350&oldid=1146317] for what I've done on those two articles. Feel free to change or revert, of course; I trust your judgment.

My attempts to clean up the mess, both in content and in categories, that is the electricity/electronics material here at CP, got bogged down, of course. So much to do! I may tackle some more of it when I have the time. Much of that mess is ''not'' due to TAR.

In answer to your metaphysical question, he may have taken his own advice, bought as many guns as he could afford (that's in one of his pages somewhere), cashing in his life savings to do it, and moved to someplace in the Northwestern United States, with only his amateur radio rig for communications. As far as I know, Conservapedia has no amateur-radio-connected editing server.

Always a pleasure to talk with you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 12:14, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

== re: User:TheAmericanRedoubt ==

You wrote: [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] has edited Conservapedia two months ago for the last time. Will he be back? What happens to the plethora of red links in the meantime? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:38, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
=== My response ===
I got in contact with [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] and he is going to start editing Conservapedia again probably sometime in September of 2015. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:22, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
:That is a little bit unsettling... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 20:27, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
::He's on some kind of secret project/mission that only Cons knows about. See [[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#The_American_Redoubt]]. I'm sure that, when he comes back, his collegial and cooperative attitude will be such that we will all welcome him back as a valued collaborator. So please be patient. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 21:13, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
:::Try to think of all the red links that will be filled in. The red links being filled in will cause the wiki to look more tidy and orderly - more germanic. :) If he does a superb job, then the level of tidiness and orderliness added to the wiki may even surpass germanic levels and reach Swiss levels.[http://www.dw.de/germans-and-hygiene/a-16459423] :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:50, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
::::[Just back from washing my hands—seriously!—after reading the above article.] I'm not planning to wait for the end of his secret mission. In fact, I've been working at cleaning up the ridiculously disordered redlinks, inappropriate categories, and just general horribleness that TAR has left behind. After reading the above essay, I can't believe that TAR is German or Swiss. More like (no, I won't put in an obnoxious national stereotype here.) And I intend to continue cleaning it up. I trust that AugustO will set an example for all of us. I'm only a small part German. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:13, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
SamHB, clean up you user page which is at [[User:SamHB|SamHB]]. Try to make it more like [[User:Conservative|User: Conservatism]] in its crisp design, simplistic beauty and austere nature. :) Start by removing all the unsightly "crossed out" font on your user page.

"Let everyone sweep in front of his own door, and the whole world will be clean." - Johann Wolfgang Goethe. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:42, 7 June 2015 (EDT)

:Well played, Cons! OK, I will see what I can do about cleaning that up. The multivariable calculus stuff is way obsolete. But maybe it should stay, as a permanent record of my life here. And maybe the crossed out "I can help you; on second thought I can't" garbage should go. But my user page will never have the "crisp design, simplistic beauty and austere nature" (you ''do'' have a way with words!) of yours, for a few reasons:
:*My life at CP, like my life in the real world, is complex and messy. As an example, I've been blocked about 13 times, depending on exactly how you count. (All of them wrongly, but I'm not going to argue that.) It's only in the last couple of years that I seem to have earned enough respect from the admins (yes, even you!) that I don't feel like a criminal all the time. It really does affect one's outlook, and hence one's user page.
:*I don't have the luxury of locking both my user page and talk page, and living behind a cloak of simplicity. You put all your entropy in the various subpages of your user page, like all the music stuff. Doing that just isn't for me.
:*And, of course, you put all your entropy in the "atheism and canoe paddles" articles. (Quick challenge: Come up with a witty reply. Extra points if you can do it without referring to being up the creek without one.)
:*I put my efforts into clean, elegant, and correct pages in mainspace, especially in the math and science area. That's what all the home-schoolers are going to come for, right?
Be that as it may, I will think about making my user page cleaner. But not cleaner than the reality of my life.
:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 23:40, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
::SamHB, a [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Atheism_Project&curid=132852&diff=1157706&oldid=1157355 message] for you. June/July of 2015 are going to be very BAD months for atheism. TERRIBLE things will befall its kingdom. The [[Desecularization|TREND]] is clear and the [http://conservativetriumphs.blogspot.com/2015/03/attention-atheists-google-trends.html writing is on the wall]. Weep and wail militant atheists. Atheism is doomed! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:08, 8 June 2015 (EDT)

== How dare you to call your attempts "translation"? ==

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'''How dare you to call your attempts "translation"?'''

Andy, I have criticized your lack of knowledge already above in the section [[#The Son of God]]. Reading [[Essay:Calming the Storm]], I see that you are not even capable of recognizing that εἶπεν is a conjugated form of λέγω (''"... But "λέγω" -- the Greek term used for said in some versions -- does not appear in the Greek above"''). This shows such a lack of basic skills in even reading Greek! And at the same time you are [[Linguistic Bias of Bible Translations|implying]] that you have a special understanding of the "scientific terminology" which was used in the Bible, giving you perhaps a better understanding of the text than [[James Strong]] had!

''How dare you to call your actions a translation?'' You are not able to translate one verse from scratch! A more honest term would be "inspired ramblings"! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:54, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

'''Plea'''

Andy, please, please, address [[Talk:Essay:Calming_the_Storm#Andy.2C_it.27s_your_essay.2C_correct_your_mistakes.2C_please|these problems]]! Please! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:15, 21 June 2015 (EDT)</div>

== an article relating to religion in Germany ==

I thought you might be interested in this article:

[http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/06/03/are-evangelicals-winning-the-world/ Are Evangelicals Winning the World? Why are parts of Germany formerly under the enforced secularism of the Communist party rediscovering charismatic religion?] by [[Peter L. Berger]], ''The American Interest'', June 3, 2015 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:46, 2 July 2015 (EDT)

== Just checking :-) ==

*x: <math>x</math>
*x^2: <math>x^2</math>
*x^2_1: <math>x^2_1</math>
*\frac{x}{y}: <math>\frac{x}{y}</math>
*\hat{x}: <math>\hat{x}</math>

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 09:43, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

:Bravo! It works!!! Praise the [[Lord]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:37, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

::Thanks for your work: ''hilf Dir selbst, dann hilft Dir Gott!'' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:22, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== Problem fixed ==

Thanks for alerting me to the problem via the block. The problem has been fixed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:11, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

:It felt strange, but I'm glad that it worked :-) --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:23, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

::Clever. Thanks again.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:27, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== Wonderful ==

Wonderful improvements to the "span" locations!!!!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:30, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
:You're welcome! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:33, 30 August 2015 (EDT)

== Quick note ==

I misread the message by GregG on Andy's talk page. Had I read the message more carefully, I would have let Andy respond without any commentary from myself.

I do agree with you about vaccinations not causing autism. At the same time, I do think it is good that the public puts pressure on the medical community and the government so vaccines get safer over time. Given the VA Hospital scandal in the USA and health care scandals in other Western democracies, I think competition and public pressure is good for the medical sector of economies. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:18, 3 November 2015 (EST)
:Thanks - I tend to agree --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 08:37, 16 November 2015 (EST)

== The American Redoubt as a Wikipedian ==

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'''This user is a Wikipedian'''

Does anybody know which handle he uses at wikipedia? Perhaps one could contact him over there... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:31, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:: I am not a Wikipedian. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] ([[User talk:TheAmericanRedoubt|talk]]) 11:08, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:So, your status changed since [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:TheAmericanRedoubt&diff=next&oldid=1126866 Dec 28, 2014]. Was there a conflict about categorizing? ;-) --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 15:05, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:: Thanks for the reminder to remove that tag. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] ([[User talk:TheAmericanRedoubt|talk]]) 20:35, 23 January 2016 (EST)
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== re: Dinesh D'Souza material removal from one of the articles I created ==

I used to be a somewhat of a fan of Dinesh. But after his firing from King's College and his recent political activities which he got jailed for, I have soured on him. I now use his material when no other source is available (so very sparingly). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:36, 29 February 2016 (EST)

:When you start deleting content, there is always the possibility that one of your collective went rogue: therefore, you should explain such deletions! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 16:17, 4 March 2016 (EST)

== re: Conservatve2 account ==

I created the Conservatve2 account because I was at a friend's residence and I did not have the password for User: Conservative readily available. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:36, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

== Silence speaks volumes ==

The phrase is "Silence speaks volumes" in the plural. The multiple "volumes" being referred to are the volumes of a large encyclopedia. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to, ummmm, clean that up.

Your use of the idiom "went missing" was exactly on target. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 17:58, 7 April 2016 (EDT)

:"Silence speaks volumes" or "the lady doth protest too much, methinks" - it's always one or the other.... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 11:17, 8 April 2016 (EDT)

== re: German comments ==

Recently, I listened to some music by Beethoven. After listening to the music, I thought of the various important contributions of Germans. For example, Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation.

I know I did some good-natured ribbing about the Germans, but looking back I regret doing so.

Europe is facing a lot of problems right now. Hopefully, German Christians will help soften some the blow of some of the past mistakes Europeans committed which are starting to cause some significant problems (see: [http://evangelicalfocus.com/blogs/838/Europes_crisis_Gods_opportunity Europe’s crisis. God’s opportunity]). For example, recently I read that many Moslem immigrants to Europe are converting to Christianity (or pretending to) and some churches are taking a pro-active stance on this issue and actively engaging in evangelism efforts. [http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/25/why-are-so-many-muslim-refugees-in-europe-suddenly-finding-jesus.html] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:54, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

:Thanks - though our views on "good-natured ribbing" differ considerably. I wish you the very best for your off-wiki endeavours which you have mentioned quite a lot over the last weeks. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 03:47, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
::I think you are right about some of my comments, but I know at least my Hogan's Hero's comments were good-natured. I also know that I always had a measure of respect for Germanic culture. One of my teachers said that Germans have done some of the greatest things that humanity has ever accomplished and some of the worst things. I think that is a fair statement. When you have a culture which has a good degree of self-discipline you can put that discipline to good uses or bad uses. I do think Europe's economy would be in much worse shape if it weren't for the Germans.

::As far as contemporary Germany, I am not a fan of flooding Europe with Muslims and I think boosting Europe's fertility rate would be a better solution, but I will admit that the insisting that the new immigrants learn the native language (German) and making greater efforts at work placement is a lot better than than the French/Swedish immigration model. But with the New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Colgne, Germany tell me that this is not an optimal solution. I guess Merkel and German businessman are in a difficult situation given the labor demand for German industry. I think making greater efforts to bring in more Christian immigrants would be a better solution as far as short-term solutions.

::I think Europe needs to adopt a more Christian worldview. The agnostic professor [[Eric Kaufmann]] said that boosting fertility rates though public policy has had mixed success as far as countries that have tried this if memory serves, but I can't precisely recall all his public statements that I have heard.[https://books.google.com/books?id=E3X4CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=%22eric+kaufmann%22+fertility+france&source=bl&ots=sjy2t0PxhI&sig=98Kda6TclDBWelMexgT5lPxsjrQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjoj9SAwI7NAhUJNT4KHVnjCGkQ6AEIQTAF#v=onepage&q=%22eric%20kaufmann%22%20fertility%20france&f=false]

::Anyways, the world seems to be changing at a faster pace and I expect there to be some very significant changes in the next 20-25 years or so (robotics, failing welfare states, [[desecularization]], people are probably going to be forced to retire later, increased culture clash as far as Western values and Islamic culture, etc, etc.). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:55, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
I was just thinking about one of my previous statements. Given robotics and potential changes in terms of energy technology, I am not sure what is going to happen as far as the work/leisure equation. I think the world is more complex and being a futurist is a harder job as societies are going into more uncharted territories. For example, [[Gerald Celente]] of the Trends Institute has probably been one of the better futurists over his lifetime, but in recent years he has had some significant failures in terms of his predictions. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:07, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
==Happy New Year==
We've missed you and wish you all the best for 2017! [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:35, 16 January 2017 (EST)
:Thanks! Best wishes for you, too! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 05:16, 18 January 2017 (EST)

== Why don't you stop working on the CBP? ==

Why don't you stop working on the CBP?

I gave some reasonable criticisms of the project including one that I just added that you probably agree with relating to original intent of the authors (see the Conservative Bible Project talk page).

The CBP has a flawed design which gets in the way of original intent being adequately expressed in the translation.

On Andy's talk page I suggested you launch a new project at Conservapedia called the Open Source Bible translation Project. Please read what I posted on Andy's talk page and respond. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:47, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:If there are fake news out there, it is not enough to post the real story somewhere else - you have to confront the fake news directly. In light of [[Revelation_16-22_(Translated)#22:18|Rev 22:18-20]], this is especially important for the a fake [[Good News]].
:Furthermore, Andy's "insights" pop up as ''Gospel truth'' on articles in the main space, like [[Counterexamples to Relativity]] and [[Epistle to the Hebrews]]. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 04:56, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::Why not agree to launching a Open Source Bible translation project at Conservapedia and periodically criticize the CBP? You are never going to like the final product of the CBP. And you are never going to like co-laboring with Mr. Schlafly on the CBP.

::And if your criticism of the CBP of it being a translation that is designed to cater to the opinions of Mr. Schlafly is a sincere and valid criticism, then why would you want to work on a project which will never have wide appeal? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:20, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

*What use is it to splinter the small resources even more? And ''I'''m aware of my limitations: a story written by me in a foreign language would not appeal to an American reader.
*The interesting thing: I'm learning very much due to the CBP, e.g., I never before thought about word frequencies in the Bible other than as a mean to efficiently learn the vocabulary. I take my time to look thoroughly into things, and this way I have benefited from this ill-guided project, improved my vocabulary and my general knowledge of Greek over various time periods.
*I'm aware that I could get minuscule changed to the project by intense flattering. Unfortunately, that is not my way. So, I want to make my points so crystal clear that all but one understand my position.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 05:52, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::OK. I think I am going to obtain the newest version of the NASB. I did learn more about Bible versions as a result of the CBP. In addition, I don't think I will engage in anymore criticism of the CBP. I don't think my criticism will be received and acted on. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:16, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::*NASB? Good for you - it this the version you intend to [[#Benefits_of_memorizing_Scripture|memorize]]?
:::*You should keep an eye on the CBP - AFAIK, all editors who tried there to egg Andrew Schlafly on later turned out to be trolls.
:::*As you do not want to appear to endorse the project, I think you should register your protest from time to time.
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 06:49, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Yes, now that I know the pros and cons of the various versions, I have picked the NASB as the version I wish to memorize.

Second, I set some goals for the remainder of my life which will be very challenging to meet. I don't think I will have the luxury of keeping an eye on the CBP. Fully registering my criticisms, which I have done via the CBP talk page, will have to suffice. It comes down to priorities. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:42, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:I have been an outspoken critic of the CBP and I thought all my suggestions would be ignored. But today I was surprised by Andy taking one of my suggestions and altering one of the 10 guidelines of the CBP project. I took it upon myself to implement another change in the guidelines which I hope will stick as this issue was the second most grievous problem with the project. My suggestions are very sensible. I do endeavor to be a reasonable person and not be an unreasonable nitpicker. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:22, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== IRC ==

Hello, 
After some discussion (on [[User_talk:DavidB4#Conservapedia_IRC_channel|my talk page]] and [[User_talk:Aschlafly#IRC|Andy's]]) it has been decided that I start an [[Internet Relay Chat]] channel for Conservapedia, since our old one has been dead since 2009. It is now registered and somewhat set up. I don't know if you use IRC or are interested in doing so, but anyone with block privileges on Conservapedia can also get block privileges on the new IRC channel. Unfortunately, IRC accounts are deleted after 30 days of being unused, so unless you plan on using the IRC at least once a month, there is probably not much point in registering. In any case, feel free to try it out--if you account gets deleted, we can always make another one later. If you are interested, please let me know! 
The IRC channel is: #conservapedia @irc.accessIRC.net 
Let me know if you have any questions or need anything else, also! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:41, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

== Hey ==

We never spoke on a talk page, but I think you're the best Bible translator on this site, the very best. Don't let Conservative get away with any of his petty grammar remarks.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

== You’re Cool ==

Again, just sayin'. [[User:DaveSG|DaveSG]] ([[User talk:DaveSG|talk]]) 01:14, 24 February 2018 (EST)

== Re User:Conservative - a few matters ==

At [[User_talk:SamHB#Atheistic_Troll]], [[User:Wikignome72]] wrote:
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AugustO, a few matters: 1) I promised the author of the book/booklet that I would not discuss any details concerning the book/booklet. I am certainly not going to break that promise for the sake of some foolish evolutionists who assert a ridiculous ideology. 2) A far as my projects/operations, the web traffic to my articles speak for themselves. My key articles are receiving thousands and thousands of page views each and every month. Evidently, those projects/operations worked! 3) AugustO, now please feel free to go on with your work on that Bible Project you got involved in (A project you were unqualified for "Dr. Augusto - Professor Emeritus of Greek and Hebrew literature!").09:26, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
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He did not sign his text (Sun Tzu?!). I wanted to address his points, but was afraid that it would make an already hard-to-read section even more unseemly.

#Wow. For me, it was just another much-touted project which failed to come to fruition. But promise? Perhaps even to a maiden? I was not aware that a damsel-in-distress-situation would be involved - please, by all means, carry on (on your very high horse), and ignore the mere mortals who dare to address the subject (and will keep on doing so for the next decades)
#Congratulations. By this standard, your operations worked nearly as well as cute videos of kittens at youtube.
#Indeed, the [[Conservapedia Bible Project]] became my ''raison d’être'' on this site. But I'm not Martin Luther: I could never translate the Greek New Testament into German - even less so into English - my Greek is just not good enough. Neither is my English (and I have no knowledge of Hebrew) But I'm qualified enough to spot the most egregious errors made by those who are even less qualified than me! Sometimes I nearly despair when I read the ''Fieberträume'' of those who had little Greek twelve years ago, and did not improve their skills over more than a decade! (see, e.g. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Devil&diff=186037&oldid=55279])

Sometimes I wonder what Conservapedia could have become - with a steady influx of home-schooled pupils, or if some lecturers at Liberty University had encourage their students to improve certain articles. President Trump may have even linked to those articles! But as we say in German ''Der Zug ist abgefahren''. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:08, 30 September 2019 (EDT)

==Science and the rational mind==
You will recall, science has replaced God in the rational mind. Highlighting the important contributions to science by Dr. Mengele and Jeffrey Epstein in no way diminishes the horrors of what Dr. Mengele did in the holocaust or in the field of science. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 17:54, 5 October 2019 (EDT)
:Josef Mengele killed at least 3,000 people in his twin experiments alone. How does your link not diminish these horrors? Why is it the only link? What about [[Holodomor]]? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:10, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

== Soon to be deleted ==

From [[User:Wikignome72/Thanksgiving]] :

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<nowiki>*LOL*</nowiki> --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:25, 4 November 2019 (EST)

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==Clean up==
I noticed quite some time ago you expressed a willingness to help clean up CP's Most Wanted Pages. We're finally taking the problem seriously. Would you be interested in helping? Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:53, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
:Interesting idea - I'll try to help. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:11, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
::Rob, could you take a look [[Template talk:Tnavbar|here]]? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:55, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
:::I think I understand, but not sure.
:::Anyways we're about to go on a deletion rampage to clean up low content stubs, and my concern is that we don't end up making more redlinks on other pages than before we started. I was wondering if you had any suggestions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 02:55, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

== My inner authoritarian German likes Biden's vaccine mandate. Joe Biden successfully calls the anti-vaxxers bluff! ==

Although I slightly lean libertarian, my inner authoritarian German likes Joe Biden's vaccine mandate! I have ancestors who came from Alsace-Lorraine which has been both German and French occupied.

You will get a Covid-19 shot! Sign zee papers, old man!

Joe Biden successfully calls the anti-vaxxers bluff!

*[https://news.yahoo.com/half-unvaccinated-workers-theyd-rather-123457181.html Half of unvaccinated workers say they'd rather quit than get a shot – but real-world data suggest few are following through]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:22, September 24, 2021 (EDT
== A certain Admin is wasting our time again and not acting in good faith ==

AugustO, I sent DavidB4 and Andy Schlafly this email a few minutes ago:

Andy and DavidB4,

Less than a month ago, we had an "Articles for Deletion" vote against RobSmith being able to delete one of my essays and RobSmith lost the vote 3 to 1 and if memory serves DavidB4 voted in favor of the essay not being deleted.

With Karajou aboard, it will be a 4-1 vote. And I am sure I could get other Conservapedians to vote my way also.

Now RobSmith wants to revote. This is unreasonable. He's wasting our time and should be creating content.

Sincerely,

User: Conservative

I am referring to this article: [[Essay: Russian war crimes in Ukraine]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:34, October 3, 2023 (EDT)

== Maybe I should move to Germany ==

As you probably know, the Germany economy is in transition.

I do know some things about digitical marketing. And "Germany, known for its strong industrial base, is rapidly embracing digital transformation. Marketing professionals with expertise in digital marketing, SEO, SEA, and social media management are, and will, continue to be in high demand."[https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/future-marketing-jobs-germany-recruiters-perspective-tor-clarkson-2fhpe?utm_source=rss&utm_campaign=articles_sitemaps#:~:text=Germany%2C%20known%20for%20its%20strong,to%20be%20in%20high%20demand.]

Greece is a nice country to live in too.[https://immigrantinvest.com/blog/living-in-greece-en/] And if I learn modern Greek, it would give me a leg up on learning Koine Greek. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:06, January 14, 2024 (EST)

*''I do know some things about digitical marketing'' That's good to hear. You can work and live in [[Berlin]] only speaking English, or perhaps in [[Hamburg]] (if you have a British accent). I assume that ''digitical'' marketing is even better than our own ''digital'' marketing, so you should get a head start!
*''Greece is a nice country to live in too'' And Guatemala, Greenland, Georgia, Guyana, which are other countries starting with G. Otherwise, the differences between Germany and Greece are immense. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 09:18, March 18, 2024 (EDT)

Talk:Math and the Bible

2023-10-17T21:03:20Z

AugustO: /* The Bible seems to prefer small numbers, not just primes.... */ new section

== Infinity ==

Nahum 2:9 is quite enlightening: here, "infinity" is used to describe the great, but certainly limited treasures of Nineveh, while Nahum 3:9 talks about the boundless assistance given by Egypt.... "Infinity" in the Bible could be more of a literary than mathematical concept.

BTW: a superficial search in the [[Iliad]] came up with six occurrences of "infinite/infinity"... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:50, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

:You're right '''''with respect to the [[Old Testament]]'''''. In the [[New Testament]], the new concept of full [[infinity]] is throughout.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 19:30, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

== Not a Joke Source ==

Is this a joke? What kind of source is http://descmath.com/diag/ancients.html ? Andy, please read what the author writes about himself ( http://descmath.com/aboutme.html ), and then come up with a better source! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:28, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

:The cited page about the Ancients appears serious. People can have a sense of humor on other pages without detracting from educaTional work. {{unsigned|Aschlafly}}

:: I have no doubt that the author was serious - but it is hard to take him serious:
{{cquote|I switched my major from arts to mathematics, and within two years flunked out of school. My main problem was that my work on the Calculus put me on the losing side of an argument that had been raging in the mathematics community for the last century. This conflict, of course, is the schism between logicists and intuitionists. Yes, that's right, "The Calculus in Perspective" bears the ugly moniker of intuitionism. As such it is basically unpublishable.}}
{{cquote|Anyway, after losing my argument. I failed school and spent the next decade a half working custodial and clerical jobs for near minimum wage. In the 90s I was fortunate to find a company that let me hack on their computers as part of my minimum wage data entry job. Since then, I have been able to pay rent by working with companies willing to hire second rate programmers at below market rates.}}
::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:45, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

:::August, perhaps our disagreement here reflects our different "worldviews". I think brilliant insights can emanate from sources that may be disfavored by "experts". I welcome the [[best of the public]]. But non-[[Christian]] approaches tend to favor censorship, and tend to favor rejecting anything not approved by the atheistic-leaning "establishment". I welcome the inclusion of the [[Epistle to the Hebrews]] in the Bible despite how the experts cannot identify the source.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:59, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

::::*As usual, I'm the advocate of diligence: quoting the first one you find to agree with you on the internet isn't proper research, it's just laziness. Your reasoning boils down to "hey, look at this guy, I like his opinion, he must be the best of the public"
::::*I don't know what to make of your line ''"But non-Christian approaches tend to favor censorship"'' - I'd say that my approach follows the idea of "trust, but verify".
::::*''"I welcome the inclusion of the [[Epistle to the Hebrews]] in the Bible despite how the experts cannot identify the source."'' Who doesn't welcome the inclusion? The authorship and the sources of many parts of the Bible are inviting lively debate. I just find your idea of the divine authorship of this particular Epistle especially nonsensical. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:22, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
::::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:22, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

:::::A work should be judged on its merit, not based on whether someone disapproves of comedy found elsewhere by the same author. Many great works would be rejected if "trust but verify" meant scrutinizing (without a sense of humor) everything else the person wrote.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:02, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

::::::*''"A work should be judged on its merit, not based on whether someone disapproves of comedy found elsewhere by the same author.''" I'm not disapproving of his comedy, as there is no comedy anywhere on his site. He is dead serious.
::::::*I'm judging the merit of his work by his writing about Cantor's diagonal argument.
::::::*A stopped clock may be right twice a day. But even at these occasions, it is not a good source for the correct time!
::::::*I stand by my previous headline: the source is a joke, though it is not funny at all
::::::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:00, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

===Infinite essence of God===

Andy, I have a topical reference to the Bible and found these references to the infinite essence or being of God, if you are looking for more material:

:Exodus 3:14: And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
:1 Kings 8:27: But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
:Job 11:7-9: Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection? ''It is'' as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know? The measure thereof ''is'' longer than the earth, and broader than the sea.
:Psalms 9:7: But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment.
:Psalms 45:6: Thy throne, O God, ''is'' for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom ''is'' a right sceptre.
:Psalms 48:8-14:
::As we have heard, so have we seen in the city of the LORD of hosts, in the city of our God: God will establish it for ever. Selah.
::We have thought of thy loving-kindness, O God, in the midst of thy temple.
::According to thy name, O God, so ''is'' thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand is full of righteousness.
::Let mount Zion rejoice, let the daughters of Judah be glad, because of thy judgments.
::Walk about Zion, and go round about her: tell the towers thereof.
::Mark ye well her bulwarks, consider her palaces; that ye may tell ''it'' to the generation following.
::For this God ''is'' our God for ever and ever: he will be our guide ''even'' unto death.
:Psalm 102:12: But thou, O LORD, shalt endure for ever; and thy remembrance unto all generations.
:Psalm 136:
::O Give thanks unto the LORD, for ''he is'' good:
::for his mercy ''endureth'' for ever.
::O Give thanks to the God of gods:
::for his mercy ''endureth'' for ever.
::O give thanks to the Lord of lords:
::for his mercy ''endureth'' for ever.
::etc.
:Psalm 139:7-10:
::Whither shall I go from thy Spirit?
::or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
::If I ascend up into heaven, thou ''art'' there:
::if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou ''art there''.
::''If'' I take the wings of the morning,
::''and'' dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
::Even there shall thy hand lead me,
::and thy right hand shall hold me.
:Isaiah 41:4: Who hath wrought it and done ''it'', calling the generations from the Beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I ''am'' he.
:Isaiah 43:10-11: Ye ''are'' my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I ''am'' he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, ''even'' I, ''am'' the LORD; and beside me ''there is'' no saviour.
:Isaiah 44:6: Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts; I ''am'' the first, and I ''am'' the last; and besides me ''there is'' no God.
:Isaiah 48:12: Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I ''am'' he; I ''am'' the first, I also ''am'' the last.
:Daniel 4:34: And at the end of days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the Most High, and I praised and honored him that liveth for ever, whose dominion ''is'' an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom ''is'' from generation to generation....
:John 8:58: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] 17:39, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

::Those are great quotes! Thank you.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:32, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

== Markov Chain ==

Andy, could you add the specific Markov Chain which fits the workers in the vineyard parable? Thanks! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:01, August 14, 2021 (EDT)

== The Bible seems to prefer small numbers, not just primes.... ==

What a fun concept! Do you have some stats to bolster your claims? A first cursory glance - allowing for Benford's law - seems to suggest only that ''small numbers'' are preferred, not necessarily primes! I'm waiting for your detailed analysis... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:03, October 17, 2023 (EDT)

Talk:Olaf Scholz

2023-01-27T21:12:14Z

AugustO: /* sometimes known as Olaf Putz */

NATO-Ukraine war makes it sound like NATO vs Ukraine. NATO/Ukraine is more fitting to get that concept across, however it's probably not fitting for a title. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:21, January 27, 2023 (EST)

== sometimes known as Olaf Putz ==

By whom? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 08:00, January 27, 2023 (EST)
:I did this Google search [https://www.google.com/search?q=Olaf+Scholz+%22Olaf+Putz%22&ei=Vw3UY_TvJKim5NoP2te-iA8&ved=0ahUKEwi099fEpuj8AhUoE1kFHdqrD_EQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Olaf+Scholz+%22Olaf+Putz%22&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQA0oECEEYAUoECEYYAFAAWABgkw5oAXAAeACAAQCIAQCSAQCYAQDAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz-serp Olaf Scholz "Olaf Putz"] and there a big scarcity of people calling him Olaf Putz. I am removing it from the article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:48, January 27, 2023 (EST)
::Oh wow. You mean Google is the authority? I didn't know that. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:02, January 27, 2023 (EST)
::[https://rumble.com/v27a4co-dr.-robert-malone-joins-tucker-to-discuss-the-project-veritas-video-exposin.html Tucker couldn't find anything on Google about the Pfizer scandal last night]. I'll have to email him and tell him it's a non-story. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:09, January 27, 2023 (EST)
:::So, you do have a source? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 16:12, January 27, 2023 (EST)

Talk:Olaf Scholz

2023-01-27T13:00:28Z

AugustO: /* sometimes known as Olaf Putz */ new section

Speyer

2022-10-18T18:55:32Z

AugustO: resting place of eight German emperors and kings

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'''Speyer''', sometimes known as '''Spires''' in English, is a German City of 50,000 inhabitants. Its main landmark is the cathedral, built in the 11th century A.D., which is the resting place of eight German emperors and kings.

Spires

2022-10-18T18:52:02Z

AugustO: RD to Speyer

#REDIRECT [[Speyer]]

Infinity

2021-08-27T12:22:07Z

AugustO: see talk-page

'''Infinity''' means beyond enumeration.<ref>This improved definition comports best with the use of the term in mathematics, in everyday life, and across cultures and languages.</ref> Appreciation of infinity is remarkably useful mentally, emotionally, and on a personal level. Infinity helps define other terms ("paradise" is infinite happiness; "[[Hell]]" is infinite distress). Anxiety or fear about infinity is irrational and even a psychiatric condition known as "apeirophobia".

The food supply is essentially infinite in cultures where obesity is a problem; wealth is essentially infinite for those who cannot spend it all in their lifetime; and time is infinite for those who waste it. "More" in those situations is meaningless; less is nothing to have anxiety about. Some scoff at primitive cultures that use infinity rather than large numbers, but that is an effective way of viewing quantities larger than meaningful. Also, infinity reinforces the primacy of the future (which is infinite) over the past (merely finite). Also, given that "time is money," "infinite time" ([[eternal life]]) is "infinite money" and the concept is helpful in dealing with financial anxiety.

Understanding infinity has advanced many fields, such as:
*[[mathematics]] through [[calculus]], [[set theory]] and [[singularity|singularities]];
*[[quantum mechanics]] through infinite [[uncertainty]];
*[[economics]] through the infinite opportunity discovered by the [[Coase theorem]];
*[[physics]] through the [[Big Bang]] (infinite [[energy]] density) and the speculative [[black holes]] (infinite mass density);
*[[politics]] through dictatorships (infinite authority) and [[separation of powers]] to avoid infinite power;
*[[religion]] through the concepts like [[eternity]] (infinite time), [[Heaven]]/[[Hell]] (infinite joy/suffering), [[faith]] (infinite belief), [[Parable of the Vineyard Workers]] and the [[Prodigal Son]] (infinite wealth), and the number of [[angel]]s (infinite);<ref>[[Epistle_to_the_Hebrews_(Translated)#12:22|Hebrew 12:22]] ("infinite").</ref>
*[[statistics]] through the [[central limit theorem]], which states that the distribution of the average for a series of nearly any type of distribution approaches the [[normal distribution]];
*[[literature]], as in ''An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge'' (1890) and many great works inspired by it, which dramatically use a nearly infinite expansion of an infinitesimal time;
*[[biology]], as observed by [[Louis Pasteur]]: “The role of the infinitely small in nature is infinitely great”;<ref>https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/692216.Louis_Pasteur</ref>
*[[sociology]]: traditional [[marriage]] is infinitely more stable than other types of relationships;
*[[rock music]]: paradise (in love songs, such as "Two Tickets to Paradise") represents infinite happiness; and
*understanding other terms: infinity helps define other terms concisely, such as "open circuit" (infinite resistance).
In addition, recognition of infinity — such as infinite time or infinite strength — is helpful on a personal level in dealing with adversity. Infinite time means infinite money, since time is convertible into money. [[Jesus]] often emphasized the concept of infinity in his [[miracle]]s and [[parable]]s (see below). He rejected the mistaken view of the ancient Greeks that infinity is non-existent and incoherent.<ref>{{cquote|The Ancient Greeks generally conceived of the infinite as formless, characterless, indefinite, indeterminate, chaotic, and unintelligible. The term had negative connotations and was especially vague, having no clear criteria for distinguishing the finite from the infinite.}} [http://www.iep.utm.edu/infinite/]
The ancient Greeks were flat-out wrong.</ref> Today acceptance of infinity is universal, despite the adamant denial by the ancient Greeks and others throughout history. The devoutly [[Christian]] mathematician [[Georg Cantor]] even proved that some infinities are larger than others.

The existence of an infinite [[God]] implies the necessary existence of the opposite: the void described in [[Genesis]]. Negative infinity, as implied by the existence of positive infinity, is the numeric equivalent of the [[Hell]] mentioned frequently in the [[New Testament]]. The [[logic of infinity]] permeates the [[Gospels]].
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== Teachings about infinity by Jesus ==

Infinity is depicted by several miracles, including the [[Multiplication of the loaves]] and the [[Miraculous catch of fish]]. Infinity is implicit in several parables, including the [[Prodigal Son]], and the parable of the vineyard workers.<ref>Matthew 20:1-16.</ref> In addition, one's soul is of infinite value to him and thus cannot be exceeded in value by anything else, as explained by Matthew 16:26.

Infinity is also portrayed by the Parables of the Hidden Treasure and the Pearl:<ref>Matthew 13:44-46 [[NIV]] version.</ref>
:“The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.
:“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls. When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it.”

[[Jesus]] taught the existence of infinity in multiple ways. Indeed, the [[Gospels]] and [[Epistle to the Hebrews]] are like a book of [[logic]] about infinity. This was contrary to the views of the greatest Greek mathematician and philosopher, [[Pythagoras]] and [[Aristotle]], who both incorrectly rejected that infinity could exist.<ref>See [[Math and the Bible]].</ref> The [[Old Testament]] has only indirect references to infinity.

[[Eternity]] is infinite time, a concept that was also first introduced and emphasized by Jesus. The [[Old Testament]] has few references to "eternity" and "eternal", while the [[New Testament]] repeatedly teaches it. For example, Jesus taught about infinity in connection with [[Judgment Day]] when "these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."<ref>Matt 45:26 ([[NAB]]).</ref>

== Anselm and Shakespeare ==
[[Anselm]] focused on infinity to prove the divinity of [[Christ]]. [[Chaucer]] referenced "infinity" in 1374, according to the Oxford English Dictionary. But [[Shakespeare]] used infinity more than anyone up until his time, in such classics as [[Hamlet]] ("A king of infinite space") and [[Romeo and Juliet]] (“My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite.”). This passage from Hamlet is particularly memorable in referring to the infinite:<ref>Hamlet, 2.2.314</ref>
{{cquote|What a piece of work is a man! how noble in reason! how infinite in faculty! in form and moving how express and admirable! in action how like an angel! in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the world! the paragon of animals!}}

== Similarities to zero ==
Infinity has surprising similarities to [[zero]]. Neither can be diminished, and the multiplication or division of either cannot change it. While infinity and zero are opposites, neither is stronger or superior to the other: multiplication of infinity by zero yields an indeterminate result. As a pair they illustrate the logical truth that "the last shall be first, and the first shall be last" as taught by Jesus at the end of the parable of the vineyard workers, a parable that illustrates that infinity cannot be diminished.

[[Leonhard Euler]], the most prolific mathematician in history, famously said about infinity and zero:<ref>https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/leonhard_euler_184025</ref>
{{cquote|To those who ask what the infinitely small quantity in mathematics is, we answer that it is actually zero. Hence there are not so many mysteries hidden in this concept as they are usually believed to be.}}

==Infinitesimal==
Inherent in the concept of infinity is the concept of [[infinitesimal]]: infinity small. [[Archimedes]] used small numbers and areas, as in calculating the area under a parabola, but the [[Ancient Greeks]] rejected the concept of infinity. Beginning with the 17th century, mathematicians like [[Fermat]], [[Euler]], [[Newton]], and [[Leibniz]] used the concept of infinitesimal in integrals and differentials. [[Bernhard Riemann]] used the concept of limits to develop a rigorous definition of the integral, now known as the [[Riemann Integral]].

== Infinity and economics ==
The opposite of infinity is [[scarcity]], which is the focus of [[economics]].

== Infinity and sports ==

In baseball, a pitcher has an infinite Earned Run Average (ERA) when he allows earned runs without obtaining any "outs" by the other side, because the ERA is a pitcher's average earned runs allowed per nine innings pitched (i.e., 27 outs obtained). In 2019, Nationals relief pitcher Trevor Rosenthal had an infinite ERA until he finally obtained an out.<ref>https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/2019/04/11/trevor-rosenthal-nationals-reliever-infinity/3433399002/</ref>

== Ongoing disputes about infinity ==

In "Dispute over Infinity Divides Mathematicians," a commentator wrote that "[t]o determine the nature of infinity, mathematicians face a choice between two new logical axioms. What they decide could help shape the future of mathematical truth."<ref>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/infinity-logic-law/</ref>

The commentator then discussed the [[continuum hypothesis]], [[Georg Cantor]], and a bit of the mathematical history of infinity.

== Infinity and mathematics ==
The existence of infinity implies the existence of its two opposites, [[zero]] and [[negative infinity]]. Zero is the amount that is infinitely small.

Infinity is denoted in mathematics by this symbol: <math>\infty\,</math>, looking like an 8 on its side.

Infinity comes up in many aspects of mathematical discourse and is often treated as a number, but it is not a [[real number]]. In mathematical contexts, infinity often appears as a limit, as an integral, as the measure (size) of a set in Euclidean space, and as the cardinality (size) of sets in general.

The simplest place to see this seeming paradox is in the fact that all integers are finite, but that there are an infinite number of them.
*Why are all integers finite? Because, if infinity were an integer, what would <math>\infty+1\,</math> be?
*Why is the ''set'' of all integers an infinite set? Because they go on forever. If the set were finite, there would be a biggest integer. But that can't be, because we can always add one to any integer. This kind of thinking is often schoolchildren's first introduction to logical reasoning.<ref>Merrian-Webster defines infinity as an "unlimited extent of time, space, or quantity ... an indefinitely great number or amount." [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/infinity Merriam-Webster dictionary] Put another way, infinity is something which "goes on without end."</ref>

While infinity is not a number, it appears in many other contexts. As we have seen, the size of the set of integers is infinite. We say that the [[cardinality]] of the integers (this set is often denoted <math>\mathbb{Z}</math>) is infinite. The rational numbers (<math>\mathbb{Q}</math>) and the real numbers (<math>\mathbb{R}</math>) also have infinite cardinality. An interesting result from set theory (see below) is that <math>\mathbb{Z}</math> and <math>\mathbb{Q}</math> have the same cardinality, while <math>\mathbb{R}</math> has larger cardinality than the other two.

Another place where infinity arises is in limits. We can say that "the limit of <math>1/x\,</math> as <math>x\,</math> approaches zero is infinity", or "the limit of <math>e^{-x}\,</math> as <math>x\,</math> approaches infinity is zero", but this is because infinity has a special meaning in the context of limits. See [[limit (mathematics)|limit]] for discussion of this.

We can also say that "the measure (size) of the set of reals is infinity", or that certain integrals are infinite, but this is because of special properties of measures and integrals.

So infinity might arise in statements like these:
*<math>\frac{1}{0} = \infty\ \ </math> Mathematics does not allow division by zero, so this is technically not allowed unless does as a limit, as follows:
*<math>\lim_{x\to 0}\frac{1}{x} = \infty\ \ </math> Yes, one could say that "the limit is infinite," since that includes both positive and negative infinite values. But to say that the limit is "equal to infinity," one would have to say that this is the limit from the right. The limit from the left is "minus infinity," that is, unboundedly negative. This sort of statement, in terms of limits, is what was presumably meant by the incorrect statement above.
*<math>\int_0^1\frac{1}{x} = \infty\ \ </math> Infinity has a special meaning for integrals.
*<math>\|\mathbb{Z}\| = \infty\ \ </math> The cardinality of the integers is infinite.
*<math>\mu(\mathbb{R}) = \infty\ \ </math> The (Lebesgue) measure of the reals is infinite.

In measure theory, one sometimes defines the "extended reals", allowing plus and minus infinity to be considered to be numbers, but this is a special construction, which makes certain arithmetical operations impossible. It can't be done in general.

Another place where infinity is considered acceptable is in [[Floating-point]] arithmetic in computers. The IEEE-754 standard (which all modern computers support) allows the values <math>\infty\,</math> and <math>- \infty\,</math>. But their treatment is very different from other numbers, and computer floating-point numbers don't faithfully model the real numbers in any case.

Also, in some non-standard models of Peano Arithmetic, <math>\infty\,</math> is treated as an actual number. But, once again, this is not standard mathematics.

[[Georg Cantor]]'s [[diagonalization|diagonal argument]] is an elegant proof demonstrating that the (infinite) cardinality of [[real number]]s is greater than the (infinite) cardinality of [[countable]] [[integer]]s. The essence of the argument is that in any proposed list of all real numbers, a new real number not in the list can be constructed by taking the digits in a [[diagonal]] through the list and changing them to construct a new real number that differs from the nth entry at the nth position right of the decimal point.

To formalize the concepts of countably and uncountably infinite sets, we need the [[set theory]] concept of [[cardinality]]. Using this concept it can be shown that there are infinitely many distinct infinite cardinalities.

In [[Zermelo-Fraenkel]] set theory, there is the [[Axiom of Infinity]], asserting the existence of an infinite set. The set that it creates is essentially the same as the integers. Some "constructive" mathematicians work without this axiom, and determine which results may be proved without assuming it.

== Classification of infinities ==
In modern mathematics, it is recognized that there is no single concept of 'infinity' - there are many different infinities. We can divide these into some broad classes. Firstly, there are the cardinals, which are used to measure the sizes of sets; and then there are ordinals, which are used to measure the position of an item in an ordered list. For finite quantities, we can use the same numbers for both - a race can have 3 participants, and you can come 3rd in the race. But, with infinite quantities, this no longer applies, the same numbers can now be used for both purposes. Thus, the smallest infinite cardinal is aleph-null, but the smallest infinite ordinal is omega.

=== Cardinals ===
We say two sets have the same size if it is possible to put their respective members into one-to-one correspondence. A cardinal can be conceived as the equivalence class of all sets having that size.

Consider the set of all natural numbers, and its subset the set of all odd natural numbers. One would think that there are half as many odd numbers as natural numbers. Yet, while that is true when dealing with some finite subset of the natural numbers, when dealing with their entirety, it turns out that there are as many odd numbers as natural numbers. This can be shown by the fact that the natural numbers and the odd natural numbers can be put in a one-to-one correspondence: 0 -> 1, 1 -> 3, 2 -> 5, 3 -> 7, etc. (represented by the formula 2*n + 1). Thus, whereas for finite sets if A is a proper subset of B, then the cardinality of A must be less than the cardinality of B, for infinite sets this is no longer the case; an infinite set may be the same size as one of its proper subsets.

The cardinality of the natural numbers is known as aleph-null. There are as many integers as natural numbers; and as many rational numbers as natural numbers. But it can be shown, using Cantor's diagonalization argument, that the reals are strictly larger than the natural numbers - you cannot put the natural numbers into one to one correspondence with the reals. The cardinality of the reals is the cardinality of the power set of the natural numbers, which is known as the power of the continuum (c) or as beth-one. (Aleph-null is the same as beth-null; whether aleph-one is the same as beth-one is a mathematical question, which essentially has no answer - and we can even show it has no answer.)

The '''generalized continuum hypothesis''' (GCH) states that <math>\beth_{a} = \aleph_{a}</math> for all ordinals <math>a</math>. So, the continuum hypothesis is a special case of the generalised continuum hypothesis for ordinal <math>0</math>. Like CH, GCH is independent of the axioms of ZFC.

A set having cardinality equal to or less than <math>\aleph_{0}</math> is called countable; a set of greater cardinality is called uncountable.

==Ordinals==
Numbers serve two distinct purposes - to measure the size of sets, and to measure the position of an item in an ordering. Thus, we may speak of a race having 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. contestants, and we can speak of the contestants as having come 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc. (or even 0th, if one is a mathematician!) When we measure the number of elements in a set, we are using '''cardinal''' numbers; when we measure an item's position in an ordering, we are using '''ordinal''' numbers. For finite quantities, it does not make that much difference, since for finite quantities we can use the same numbers to serve both purposes. But for transfinite quantities, that is no longer the case - we can no longer use the same numbers as both cardinals and ordinals. Thus, the smallest transfinite cardinal
is <math>\aleph_{0}</math>, but the smallest transfinite ordinal is <math>\omega</math>.

==Other types of infinite numbers==
Other than transfinite cardinals and ordinals, there are other types of infinite numbers:
*the '''affinely extended reals''': these are elements of the set <math>\mathbb{R} \cup \{ +\infty, -\infty \}</math>. In other words, the real numbers extended by the addition of positive and negative infinity. <math>+\infty</math> is greater than every real number, and <math>-\infty</math> is less than every real number.
*the '''projectively extended reals''': these are elements of the set <math>\mathbb{R} \cup \{ \infty \}</math>. In other words, the real numbers extended by the addition of a single signless infinity. The ordering relation is not defined for the projectively extended reals - but informally, <math>\infty</math> can be said to be both greater than ''and'' less than every real number.
*the '''hyperreals''': denoted *<math>\mathbb{R}</math>, these extend the real numbers with both infinite and infinitesimal quantities. They are used in non-standard analysis. Other extensions of the real numbers with infinite and infinitesimal quantities include the '''surreal numbers''', the '''superreal numbers''', and the '''Levi-Civita field'''.

The conclusion to be drawn from all of this, is that although in popular usage we speak about ''infinity'' as if it were a single thing, there are actually numerous different infinities, all belonging to different systems. If we want to talk about ''infinity'', we ought to be careful to specify which infinity we mean.

==Archimedean property==
An ordered field is said to be '''Archimedean''' if it has no infinitely large or infinitely small elements. One way of stating this: an ordered field is Archimedean, if for every element of the field, there is a greater natural number. This is true for the reals - for every real number, there is a greater natural number - but not for example for the affinely extended reals, since <math>+\infty</math> is greater than every natural number. So the affinely extended reals are said to be '''non-Archimedean'''. Likewise, the hyperreal numbers, the surreal numbers, the superreal numbers and the Levi-Civita field are all non-Archimedean. Any ordered field containing infinities must also contain infinitesimals as their inverse.

To understand the notion of non-Archimedeanity, it is interesting to imagine what it would be like were space or time were non-Archimedean. If space was non-Archimedean, there could be areas of the universe infinitely distant from here. If time was non-Archimedean, there could be past times an infinite number of years before the present, and future times an infinite number of years into the future. It appears that no one has every seriously suggested that time or space actually are non-Archimedean, but it is nonetheless an interesting mental exercise to understand the notion.

== Philosophy of mathematics ==
Different positions in the [[philosophy of mathematics]] have different attitudes towards infinity. At one extreme, Platonists and formalists generally have no philosophical objection to any form of infinity than can be defined. At the other extreme, finitists and ultrafinitists deny the existence of infinity; to them, only finite quantities, and finite objects, actually exist. In the middle, many constructivists and intuitionists adopt a position of countablism - an acceptance of the existence of countable sets, but denying that uncountable sets exist.

== See also==
*[[Infinity denial]]
*[[Logic of infinity]]
*[[Math and the Bible]]
*[[Infinity and zero]]
*[[Zero]]
*[[Herman Melville]]
*[[William Shakespeare]]
*[https://www.icr.org/article/god-infinities/0 Explanation of the different sizes of infinities]

==References==
{{reflist}}
{{Greatest Thinkers}}
[[Category:Mathematics]]
[[Category:Infinity]]

Talk:Infinity

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AugustO: /* Multiplication of the Loaves */ new section

This article refers to infinity as both being a number, and not being a number. Clarify. [[User:RDre|RDre]] 14:12, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

:Can you fix it? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 14:13, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

::I'm not qualified to judge which it is, but it's been dealt with now. [[User:RDre|RDre]] 14:19, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

:Good start, but ...
:*In the early 1600's Galileo began to show signs of a modern attitude toward the infinite, when he proposed that "infinity should obey a different arithmetic than finite numbers." But it was not until the late 19th century that Georg Cantor (1845-1918), a German mathematician, finally put infinity on a firm logical foundation and described a way to do arithmetic with infinite quantities useful to mathematics. [http://scidiv.bcc.ctc.edu/Math/infinity.html]
:We better start over. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 14:50, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

::It wasn't that bad. Infinity is not a number, but it ''is'' greater than any real number. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 14:52, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

XD yea. I had my fun. [[User:Pie5|Pie5]] 21:04, 4 December 2007 (EST)

==Limit at the top of the page==
Wow...Just wow...You guys claim that
<math>\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{1}{x}</math>
is infinite. ...I don't know what to say to this. Any student who's had more than a week of calculus knows that this is incorrect. The correct statement is the limit from the right. The way you have it, the limit is undefined. Andy Schlafly, weren't you supposedly trained in a semi-technical field..? I'm amazed about the mistakes you make. Both here and on your "counterexamples to relativity" page....Wow... [[User:AndyFrankinson|AndyFrankinson]] 20:02, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
==Rough and sloppy==

I need a lot of help with this article. It had a mention of [[division by zero]], which all mathematicians (and most math students) know is a forbidden operation. Don't put nonsense like that in math articles. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 10:47, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

:I like your new edits. What else are you thinking of adding? I will help where I can. --[[User:MarkGall|MarkGall]] 11:35, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

==My recent changes==

I hope I have beaten the readers over the head sufficiently with the dictum that infinity is not a number, and hence dealt with Ed's complaint about this. You just don't divide by zero. Period. It's illegal. If you see an equation that appears to be dividing by zero, that equation is wrong.

I have taken out the stuff about "sample size". That refers to the size of a set in the field of statistics. We already cover set cardinality in general.

I have taken out the reference to "elementary techniques". That was meaningless, and seemed to be invoking the notion of "elementary proof", which is a page that needs a lot of work. Invoking that notion from here is just confusing the issue. Unless, of course, someone can clarify what that means, and give citations.

I can't figure out how to get spacing between the "math" parts and the "plain" parts in my list of 5 equations, so it looks horrible. Does anyone know how to do this? I know how in LaTeX, but that's way too complicated for a wiki, and probably wouldn't work.

[[User:PatrickD|PatrickD]] 15:35, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

==My concept of infinity==
To me, the only infinity is that in which God has lived before creating us, and that which He grants us in Heaven. That's all I have to say about it. --[[User:Pious|Pious]] ([[User talk:Pious|talk]]) 00:47, 20 April 2017 (EDT)

== Were the Greeks flat out wrong? ==

This page seems to go at the Greeks in a biased way. It says they were "flat out wrong" about infinity -- even if this is correct, I think this sentence certainly needs re-phrasing. Anyways, while I think that God is certainly infinite, I do not accept that infinity can exist in the natural world, and so I consider that the Greeks were, to some extent, correct. Philosophers are generally in agreement with me as well.

== Definition ==

The definition needs improvement. Some infinities are greater than others.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 01:00, 12 May 2018 (EDT)

:Merriam-Webster's definition of infinity is unusually inadequate: "an indefinitely great number or amount." The essence of infinity is not that it is indefinite.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 00:36, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

== Bernhard Riemann ==

''Inherent in the concept of infinity is the concept of infinitesimal: infinity small. Bernhard Riemann identified the sum of infinitesimal strips of area under a function to establish a rigorous definition of the integral, now known as the Riemann Integral. ''

I think that this misrepresents Bernhard Riemann's ideas:

The infinitesimals were tools of the creative geniuses of the 18th century, as Euler, Leibniz, and Newton. Riemann took a step away: he does not talk about things which ''are'' infinitely small, but which ''become'' infinitely small - using the idea of limits. Therefore, the integral is not the sum of infinitesimal strips, but the limit of finite sums of small stripes, becoming smaller and smaller.

That may sound like hair-splitting, but his approach could be rigorously formalized quite easily, while this was much more difficult for infinitesimals.--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 10:36, 30 July 2018 (EDT)
:Not sure if there is a meaningful distinction here. Infinitely small is inherently a limit. But you make a very interesting point and I'll think about it further. Also, did Euler, Leibniz or Newton use the concept of infinitesimal?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 12:24, 30 July 2018 (EDT)
#Fermat had already used infinitesimals to calculate the tangents of polynomials. For the parabola y=<math>x^2</math>, he would look at the secant through the points (x,<math>x^2</math>), (x+D,<math>(x+D)^2</math>) which are separated at the x-axis by the infinitesimal distance <math>D</math> and then calculate <math>slope = \frac{(x+D)^2 - x^2}{D} = </math> <math>\frac{2Dx+D^2}{D} = </math> <math>2x+D = </math> <math>2x</math> Calculations like this drove philosophers like Hobbes crazy: how can you say something is zero at one time and works not as zero another time. For us, it is easy to reconcile this by introducing limits, but those were not thought of for quite a while!
#Euler used infinitesimals creatively, Leibniz called them <math>dx</math> etc. If I recall correctly, Newton did not generally use them for integration: he transformed the function which he wanted to integrate into a power series, integrated the parts of the series (as it was well known how to integrate polynomials), and at last, tried to transform the resulting power-series back into a well-known function. The first and the third step often required quite an ingenuity
#In my opinion one of the great things about Riemann-Cauchy-integration is that it transformed an art into a craft: only few had the talent to use infinitesimals in a way that provided correct results!
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 15:06, 30 July 2018 (EDT)
::That's fascinating history, August! Sounds like Fermat et al. used tiny numbers, but Cauchy and Riemann made it infinitesimal rigorous. Note that Merriam-Webster says the term infinitesimal did not exist in English until the early 1700s, which would have been late in the game for Newton.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 00:15, 31 July 2018 (EDT)
:::#No, Fermat, Newton, Leibniz did not use tiny numbers: they used quantities which differed from numbers - and they used them with various degrees of discomfort.
:::#"infinitesimal" as a noun exists since the 1650s in the English language - but that is of not much relevance, as Newton published some of his work in Latin, and furthermore, used the term "moments" instead of "infinitesimals". In his later works, he tried to avoid infinitesimals.
:::#No, Cauchy and Riemann got rid of infinitesimals, thereby putting the theory on sound footing. Abraham Robinson with his non-standard analysis made infinitesimals rigorous - but this was in the 1960s
:::#This is all quite basic stuff. I should be surprised that someone who claims to be able to identify the greatest modern mathematician just by looking on a chart of published papers knows so little about the history of the mathematics (and the mathematicians) he is talking about. But this being Conservapedia, and the someone being you, the surprise is somewhat infinitesimal...
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 02:34, 31 July 2018 (EDT)

== Multiplication of the Loaves ==

As we are not still drowned in loaves, I suppose only I ''finite'' number of loaves (and fishes) were created... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 16:15, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

Talk:Mystery:Did Jesus Write the Epistle to the Hebrews?

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AugustO: /* which is sense different of the term different from its use in other biblical books */ new section

That's quite an amusing piece of work! Or is preposterous the right adjective? ''"Jesus was surely capable of writing a great work, and there is no other known written work by Him. ''" Did he build the pyramids, too? Surely, he was capable of building great structures, and there are no other known structures built by him?...

[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 11:18, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

== Did Jesus lie? ==

Aschlafy, to make your point you have to argue that Jesus was intentionally misleading us in the second verse where it is written that "''He (God) spoke to us through (his) son''" (ἐλάλησεν ἡμῖν ἐν υἱῷ). --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 12:12, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

:Writers at that time (and even some today) spoke about themselves in the third person. E.g., John describes himself as the "disciple whom Jesus loved," rather than in the first person.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:41, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

::Please read the verse more carefully - You missed that there is a first person in the sentence: ''He (God) spoke to '''''us''''' through (his) son''. Until you claim that Jesus had a habit of soliloquy, this makes it clear that the writer (one of the us) is someone other than Jesus. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:46, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

== The whole idea is absurd, let's delete it. ==

Rereading the epistle, it becomes clear that this insight is nothing but absurd: e.g., Hebrews 13:23-24 show that the author is one of the Christians in Italy. You have to bend, to torture scripture to argue otherwise - and for me, it is clear that the author of this essay didn't read the epistle in detail before making this astonishing claim.

So, I'm for deleting this essay, as it makes Conservapedia looking stupid. Unfortunately, me arguing for deleting this article is the best way to get it featured on the main page. But please, please, think twice before doing so.

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 12:36, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

:Ideas should not be so readily censored.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:43, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

::Errors should be quickly corrected. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:47, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

Hebrews 13:23-34

'''Know that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he comes shortly, I will see you.
'''Salute all who lead you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

How do you bend these verses to your insight? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:51, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

== Who needs to spend a lifetime studying centuries' worth of work by serious, trained theologians.... ==

...when you can just make stuff like this up? Whomever wrote this, go propose it to your priest/minister after church tomorrow, and tell us about the reaction you get. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 13:00, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

== the last verses include greetings from "those in Italy"... ==

Are you arguing that an omnipotent Lord could not travel to Italy to greet some friends and make it back to the Middle East in the time frame in question? Deny this and lose all credibility. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 13:07, 27 October 2012 (EDT)

== It is misnomer to call this the "Epistle" to the Hebrews. ==

Here we can agree. In fact, you are agreeing with many Biblical scholars: most think that it is a sermon (Hebrews 1 - 12), followed by an accompanying letter (Hebrews 13). You can find loads of literature on this marvelous epistle. As W. Lane wrote "Hebrews is a delight for the person who enjoys puzzles". But it is traditionally called an epistle - and that won't change, I'm afraid.

Of course the question was risen whether Hebrews 1-12 and Hebrews 13 have the same author - you should look up some of the literature! But only few are thinking that Hebrews 13 is a "postscriptum by another hand", and all known historic evidence stands against it.

I've read of no one who shared your opinion that it "was written by Jesus, or based directly on His writing". The reason you are giving are superficial at best. Before you include this half-baked theory into the CBP you should acquaint yourself with some of the writings of theologians throughout the histories on this epistle.

At the moment this insight has a less sound footing than the ideas of many often well-meaning cranks, like Iman Wilkens's idea that Troy was a city in England or Heribert Illig's idea that a couple of centuries haven't happen. What all such "theories" have in common is that they start with an "insight", and that then the evidence is (perhaps even subconsciously) cherry-picked to fit the idea. The first person to be deceived by such a theory often is its inventor himself!

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 12:09, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

== The Epistle was directed at the Hebrew population... ==

You are aware that not only "epistle" but also "to the Hebrews" is a misnomer - as this letter wasn't directed to the Hebrews in Palestine? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 12:51, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

:The sermon clearly is intended for the Hebrew population in Jerusalem.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:11, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

::"Clearly intended"? I wouldn't say so - there are very good rivaling theories: Alexandria or even Rome itself (that's what I'm leaning to) --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:19, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

== How can I take you serious... ==

...when you are obviously not reading your own sources:

''' The place of composition was Italy (13:24), and more precisely Rome (inscription at end of the Codex Alexandrinus), where Paul was during his first imprisonment (61-63).'''

Your source is stating that Jerusalem is the place to which the letter most probably was addressed. Be more careful!

[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:06, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

:It's not a letter, but a sermon, which could only have been given in Jerusalem.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:09, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

::It could have been given - but that is not what '''''your''''' source states! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 13:10, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

== Dishonesty ==

When you make a statement (''the sermon was held in Jerusalem'') and attach a source to it then the source should make the statement, too. In this case, the source states something very different (''the place of composition was Italy''). You are invoking the impression that your statement is corroborated by a source, and this impression is misleading. Keeping up this impression though you were repeatedly informed that it is false is just dishonest.

[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 14:08, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

:Sources are used on Conservapedia in a proper way: for their facts, not for their opinions.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:55, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

{|class="wikitable" style="background:pink"
|'''Circumstances of the composition'''

An examination both of the letter itself and of the earliest testimonies of tradition, in reference to the circumstances of its composition, leads to the following conclusions:

(1) '''The place of composition was Italy (13:24), and more precisely Rome (inscription at end of the Codex Alexandrinus), where Paul was during his first imprisonment (61-63).'''

(2) The date of its production should certainly be placed before the destruction of Jerusalem (70), and previous to the outbreak of the Jewish War (67), but after the death of James, Bishop of Jerusalem (62). According to ch. xiii, 19, 23, the Apostle was no longer a prisoner. The most probable date for its composition is, therefore, the second half of the year 63 or the beginning of 64, as Paul after his release from imprisonment probably soon undertook the missionary journey "as far as the boundaries of Western Europe" (St. Clement of Rome, "I Epistle to the Corinthians", v, n. 7), that is to Spain.

(3) The reason for its composition is probably to be found in the conditions existing in the Jewish Christian Church at Jerusalem. The faith of the Church might fall into great danger through continued persecution by the Jews, who had put James, the head of the community to a violent death. Precisely at this period the services in the temple were celebrated with great pomp, as under Albinus (62-64) the magnificent building was completed, while the Christian community had to struggle with extreme poverty. The national movement which began shortly before the outbreak of the last Jewish war would increase the danger. These circumstances might lead the Apostle to write the letter.

(4) The Apostle himself declares the aim of his writing to be the consolation and encouragement of the faithful (xiii, 22). The argument and context of the letter show that Paul wished especially to exhort to steadfastness in the Christian Faith and to warn against the danger of apostasy to the Mosaic worship.
|}

Where are the ''facts'' in your source which show that the sermon was composed in Jerusalem? Find a source which states that the place of composition was Jerusalem. You are misusing this source - and yes, you are dishonest in doing so. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:03, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

I see that you have corrected your position: Thank you! [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:05, 29 October 2012 (EDT)

== Why isn't this message to Hebrews in the Hebrew language? ==

Because the author wanted to be understood? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:42, 3 December 2012 (EST)

== Was the epistle written in the time between the Resurrection and the Ascension? ==

IMO he idea that this epistle was written in the time between the Resurrection and the Ascension is patently absurd:
*How was it delivered? It had to lay around for a couple of decades, until there was a community which could be addressed. Did someone stumble upon a forgotten parchment and thought: "well, that looks like the thing the guys in Jerusalem (or wherever) are looking for, let's send it to them"?
*Obviously Jesus Christ could give advice for events which lie a score of years in the future. But would he do so? God respects our free will!
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:18, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

:[[Jesus]] wrote the sermon for delivery by a disciple in Jerusalem, much like Jesus's explanation on the road to Emmaus. This logical explanation is the most plausible one.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:39, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

::So, it is not only written by [[Jesus]] himself, but is the oldest written text in the [[New Testament]]? Kept by an unknown disciple all for himself for decades, as no other apostle commented on it? '' &bdquo;This logical explanation is the most plausible one.”'' Your explanation is neither logical nor plausible, just wishful thinking. Therefore it doesn't belong into any encyclopedic articles - it even looks bad in [[Liberal denial]]! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:55, 19 May 2013 (EDT)

:::It could be oldest in the New Testament, or parts of the Gospel of John could be older. Why would the relative dates matter?

:::As to your other objection, apostles typically did not comment on other writings. John did not comment on any of the other three Gospels. Would anyone conclude that the other three are somehow defective for that reason? Of course not.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:22, 19 May 2013 (EDT)

::::Are you claiming now that parts of the Gospel of John where written prior to the [[Ascension of Jesus]]?
::::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:34, 19 May 2013 (EDT)

:::::Your new headline is too long, leaving too little room for the edit summary.

:::::In response to your point, what is the big deal about speculation for when a Gospel was written? Presumably parts of Gospels, including John's, were written while Jesus was still alive. They quote Him, for example! Why does [[liberal denial]] have to extend even to claiming that nothing was written about Jesus while he was alive???--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 19:17, 19 May 2013 (EDT)
I believe Matthew and John at least both knew Jesus personally. Happy Whitsun.--[[User:Patmac|Patmac]] 19:22, 19 May 2013 (EDT)

*&bdquo;''In response to your point, what is the big deal about speculation for when a Gospel was written?''” *LOL* - we should get rid off all these departments for history of Christianity! It's no big deal... OTOH, in [[Essay:Adultress Story]] you make use of such research.
*&bdquo;''Presumably parts of Gospels, including John's, were written while Jesus was still alive.''” There is no evidence for such a speculation.
*&bdquo;'' Why does [[liberal denial]] have to extend even to claiming that nothing was written about Jesus while he was alive???''” Smearing your opponents instead of presenting evidence? (??) This is not a liberal vs. conservative topic, this is about good theology vs. mere speculations and wishful thinking.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:58, 22 May 2013 (EDT)

== This Epistle uses a same distinctive phrase once used by Jesus as quoted in the Gospel of John, which reinforces the likelihood of his authorship. ==

Which one? Who is quoting whom? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:56, 15 March 2015 (EDT)

== I'm not Ivanka Trump ==

The first chapter makes a theological argument about the relation between Jesus and the angels, using quotations from scripture: it is comprehensible for every reader as not only "He would know about and emphasize [it]".

Quoting "The Art of the Deal" does not make me Ivanka Trump. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 09:14, August 16, 2021 (EDT)

== which is sense different of the term different from its use in other biblical books ==

I have difficulties to parse this sentence: '''''which is sense different of the term different from its use in other biblical books.'''''
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 04:34, August 25, 2021 (EDT)

E=mc²

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'''E=mc²''' asserts that the energy ('''E''') in an unmoving particle is equal to the square of the [[speed of light]] ('''c²''') times the [[mass]] ('''m''') of that particle.<ref>"Energy and mass are linked in the most famous relationship in physics: E = mc². (The energy content of a body is equal to the mass of the body times the speed of light squared.)" [https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/einstein-genius-among-geniuses.html Einstein: Genius Among Geniuses] - PBS's NOVA</ref> The complete form, when applied to moving objects, is [[E^2=(mc^2)^2+(pc)^2|E²=(mc²)²+(pc)²]], where '''p''' represents momentum,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnMIhxWRGNw</ref> It is a statement that purports to relate all [[matter]] to [[energy]]. In fact, no [[theory]] has successfully unified the [[law]]s governing [[mass]] (''i.e.'', [[gravity]]) with the laws governing light (''i.e.'', [[electromagnetism]]), and numerous attempts to derive '''E=mc²''' from first principles have failed.<ref name="wvarticles">Five lectures at Wikiversity. The 4th one derives the formula, using the assumptions in the "What the Equation Means" section.
*[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special_relativity/space,_time,_and_the_Lorentz_transform Lecture 1]
*[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special_relativity/momentum Lecture 2]
*[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special_relativity/energy Lecture 3]
*[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special_relativity/E_%3D_mc%C2%B2 Lecture 4]
*[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special_relativity/spacetime_diagrams_and_vectors Lecture 5]</ref> [[Politics|Political]] pressure, however, has since made it impossible for anyone pursuing an academic career in [[science]] to even question the validity of this nonsensical [[equation]]. ''Simply put, E=mc² is [[liberal claptrap]]''.

The formula asserts that the mass of an object, at constant energy, magically varies precisely in inverse proportion to the square of a change in the speed of light over time,<ref>http://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html</ref> which violates [[conservation of mass]] and disagrees with commonsense.<ref>The formula asserts that the mass of an object has energy associated with it, even when it is not moving (p=0). The formula asserts a relationship between the rest mass of an object, its energy and the speed of light. According to the formula, the apparent mass of an object depends on its energy and so [[conservation of mass]] is not satisfied. Instead, relativity proposes that the total energy of a [[closed system]] is conserved, when we "convert" the masses into energies using this formula.</ref>

Physicists have never been able to unify light with matter<ref>Quantum Electrodynamics describes how matter interacts with matter, the standard model of particle physics describes how matter (fermions) interact with bosons (force carriers) for the electromagnetic, strong and weak forces. To date, no theory has been proven to unify gravity with electromagnetism.</ref> despite more than a billion-dollars-worth of attempts, and it is likely impossible to ever do so.<ref>Much of 20th century physics has centered around the interactions between photons (light) and fermionic matter, and much more than a billion dollars has been spent on this. But that doesn't imply that they have been "unified".</ref> [[Biblical Scientific Foreknowledge]] predicts that there is no unified theory of light and matter because they were created at different times, in different ways, as described in the [[Book of Genesis]].

[[Mass]] is a measure of an object's inertia, in other words its resistance to acceleration. In contrast, the intrinsic [[energy]] of an object (such as an [[atom]]) is a function of electrostatic charge and other non-inertial forces, having nothing to do with gravity. Declaring the object's energy to be a function of inertia rather than electrostatics is an absurd and impossible attempt to unify the forces of nature, contrary to the accepted view (as predicted by [[Biblical Scientific Foreknowledge]]) that the forces of nature have not been unified. Liberal scientists assert the formula E=mc² is not limited to nuclear reactions; it applies to chemical reactions and even to the energy stored in a compressed spring.<ref>http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy99/phy99140.htm</ref>

The claim that '''E=mc²''' has never yielded anything of value and it has often been used as a redefinition of "[[energy]]" for pseudo-scientific purposes by non-scientific journals. Claims can be found not only on liberal, second-tier college websites but at those of [[Baylor]] and the [[MIT]] that the equation is used in [[nuclear power]] generation and [[nuclear weapon]]s ([[nuclear fusion]] and [[nuclear fission]]) and about [[antimatter]].<ref>[http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/E=mcsquared/index.html John D. Norton ''Einstein for everyone - E=mc²''], Department of History and Philosophy of Science University of Pittsburgh</ref><ref>[http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/releng.html Rod Nave ''HpyerPhysics - Relativistic Energy''], Georgia State University</ref><ref>[https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/legacy-of-e-equals-mc2.html Peter Tyson ''The Legacy of E=mc²''] October 11, 2005. PBS ''NOVA''.</ref>

The [[Theory of Relativity]] has never been able to mathematically derive '''E=mc²''' from first principles,<ref name="wvarticles"/> and a physicist observed in a peer-reviewed paper published in 2011 that "Leaving aside that it continues to be affirmed experimentally, a rigorous proof of the mass-energy equivalence is probably beyond the purview of the special theory."<ref>[http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2011AmJPh..79..591H Eugene Hecht: ''How Einstein confirmed E0=mc²'', American Journal of Physics, Volume 79, Issue 6, pp. 591-600 (2011)]</ref> Nevertheless, Robert Dicke - one of the most accomplished American-born physicists and experimental physicists in history - found it unlikely that the equivalence was wrong.<ref>R. H. Dicke "The Theoretical Significance of Experimental Relativity", Gordon and Breach, 1964</ref>

It has been known for a long time that radiation has a mass equivalence, which was correctly derived by [[Henri Poincaré]] in 1904,<ref>[http://www.opticsinfobase.org/josa/abstract.cfm?uri=josa-42-8-540 Herbert E. Ives ''Derivation of the Mass-Energy Relation'', JOSA, Vol. 42, Issue 8, pp. 540-543 (1952)]</ref> but the equation '''E=mc²''' makes a claim far beyond that limited circumstance:

{{cquote|The equality of the mass equivalent of radiation to the mass lost by a radiating body is derivable from Poincaré’s momentum of radiation (1900) and his principle of relativity (1904).|||[[Herbert Ives]], 1952}}


== Description for the layman ==

The equation is extremely famous, and just as extremely misunderstood, in popular culture. Among the more outlandish claims are statements to the effect that "E=mc² holds the secret of the atomic bomb."<ref>Not so. The energy of the atomic bomb comes not from E=mc², but from the tension between the electrostatic force and the strong nuclear force. E=mc² simply meant that the fission products from the [[Little Boy|Hiroshima]] bomb weighed 0.7 grams less than the original Uranium.</ref>
[[Image:600px-Albert Einstein Head.jpg|thumbnail|right|200px|
*"I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional [[Atheism|atheist]] whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being." - [[Albert Einstein]]<ref name="Isaacson390">Isaacson, Walter (2008). [https://books.google.com/books?id=cdxWNE7NY6QC&pg=PT390 ''Einstein: His Life and Universe''] (New York: Simon and Schuster), p. 390. Retrieved from GoogleBooks archive on February 19, 2015.</ref>]]
The equation has acquired something of a "cult" status. In the USA, the popular ''[[Twilight Zone]]'' series featured '''E=mc²''' prominently, giving the equation greater currency with the public. The song ''[[Albert Einstein|Einstein]] A Go-Go'' by the band Landscape had a similar effect in the UK in the 1980s. The equation was the title of a single by ''Big Audio Dynamite'' in 1985, and an album by Mariah Carey in 2008. Some movies have been themed on this equation.<ref>https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0322120/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_2, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116160/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1</ref> The equation, along with a picture of a mushroom cloud and a picture of [[Albert Einstein]], were featured on the front cover of an issue of ''Time'' magazine in 1946. All of this is disappointing when one considers how few people actually understand what the equation is saying.

A number of science writers—both serious scientists and science popularizers—have at various times written their own explanation of the equation. Some of these are helpful; many are not. One of the better ones, though not without its share of nonsense, is a NOVA series by the [[Public Broadcasting Service]]<ref>[https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/ancestors-einstein.html David Bodanis ''Ancestors of E=mc²''], Nov 10, 2005, NOVA</ref>

In 2005 The PBS NOVA series also asked 10 physicists to describe the equation in layman's terms.<ref>[https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/einstein/experts.html Lexi Krock, David Levin (editors) ''E=mc² explained'', June, 2005. PBS ''NOVA'']</ref> Here is a sample of five of the statements:
{{cquote|''It's something that doesn't happen in your kitchen or in everyday life.''|||[[Neil deGrasse Tyson]], Astrophysicist, American Museum of Natural History}}{{cquote|''When an object emits light, say, a flashlight, it gets lighter.''|||Sheldon Glashow, Theoretical Physicist and Nobel Laureate, Boston University}}{{cquote|''Things that seem incredibly different can really be manifestations of the same underlying phenomena.''|||Nima Arkani-Hamed, Theoretical Physicist, Harvard University}}{{cquote|''You can get access to parts of nature you have never been able to get access to before.''|||Lene Hau, Experimental Physicist, Harvard University}}{{
cquote|''It certainly is not an equation that reveals all its subtlety in the few symbols that it takes to write down.''|||Brian Greene Theoretical Physicist Columbia University}}

Of these, only the Sheldon Glashow quote makes a specific and meaningful statement about what the equation means.

== What the Equation Means ==
The equation is about energy, both kinetic energy and potential energy.

Kinetic energy is actual visible energy, that is, energy of things that are in motion. It's the energy of a thrown baseball. Radiation (for example, light) also counts as kinetic energy—it's the motion of photons. Light carries energy, force, and momentum. The force carried by light is not as obvious as the force of a thrown baseball, but it is there. The force of sunlight has been proposed for long-term space travel. It is also the force that causes the [[Pioneer anomaly]] and the force that makes a comet's tail stream away from the Sun.

Potential energy is the other kind—"hidden" energy. It can become kinetic energy, or vice-versa. A wound up spring, a charged battery, a stretched rubber band, a mixture of gasoline and air, an explosive, and a radioactive atom, all have potential energy. It's what is needed to make the principle of conservation of energy work. That is, when kinetic energy comes into existence, it's because potential energy was converted into kinetic energy. The wound-up spring of a clock has potential energy, that runs down over time, being converted into the kinetic energy of the ticking sound. A battery has potential energy that runs down when it provides electricity to make things move. Various chemical substances have characteristic amounts of potential energy, that may be converted to or from kinetic energy when chemical reactions occur. For example, Sodium and Chlorine have more potential energy than Sodium Chloride. Explosives have more potential energy than their constituent atoms. Radioactive atoms have more potential energy than their "daughter" atoms.

The principle of ''conservation of energy'', universally accepted for well over 100 years, says

::Total energy (kinetic + potential) is always conserved.

Hundreds of years of research by chemists (and, before that, the alchemists) worked out the potential energies that are characteristic of various substances, and that the potential and kinetic energies are accurately converted from one to the other, leading to the principle of conservation of total energy.

An interesting fact is that, normally, one considers only ''changes'' in potential energy; one doesn't need an absolute scale. A rock at the top of a hill has more potential energy than after it rolls to the bottom of the hill, but the energy at the bottom isn't necessarily zero. We could dig a hole and let it roll down farther, with its energy going negative. Only changes matter. Now it turns out that, once one accepts the implications of E=mc², one ''could'' assign an absolute potential energy to something—its mass times c², and changes in potential energy would work out correctly because of the mass changes. But that isn't necessary, and, in any case, it would require accepting E=mc² and would therefore be getting ahead of the story.

With those preliminaries out of the way, it is possible to give a concise explanation of what the equation means:

::'''Potential energy has mass.'''

That is, it weighs something. Whenever anything has potential energy of any kind in it, improbable as this may sound, it weighs more. The proportionality constant is 1/c2, or 1.11 x 10−17 kilograms per joule. A fresh battery weighs more than a spent one, a wound-up alarm clock weighs more than a run-down one, etc.

Now that's way too small to measure for anything other than nuclear reactions, which is why it escaped everyone's notice for so long. But it has been measured and experimentally verified for nuclear transformations all across the periodic table.

:There's an interesting parallel with heat. Before the rise of thermodynamics, it was believed that heat was a "substance". That substance was called "caloric". When heat travels from one body to another, what was really happening was presumed to be a transfer of caloric. Much effort was put into measuring the mass of this mysterious "substance". It was always found to be zero, and we now know that what is actually being transferred is thermal energy. So it is not unheard-of to assign mass to intangible properties.

The nonzero mass of potential energy, and the equation E=mc², were determined on theoretical grounds, before any experimental observations were made. The logic of this follows from these assumptions:

#Galilean and Newtonian mechanics.
#Galilean relativity, that is, the notion that there is no absolute frame of reference.
#Conservation of energy.
#Conservation of momentum. (So far this is just classical physics.)
#The universality of the speed of light. (That is, special relativity.)

Keep in mind that, under special relativity, it's not just space and time that need to be redefined. The definitions of momentum and energy need to change also. This is necessary so that the '''conservation of energy and of momentum will be absolutely precise in all circumstances.'''

Under classical Newtonian mechanics, the momentum and kinetic energy of a moving mass are
:<math>p = mv\,</math>
and
:<math>E = \frac{1}{2}mv^2\,</math>
respectively. But under special relativity they are
:<math>p = \frac{mv}{\sqrt{1 - v^2/c^2}}\,</math>
and
:<math>E = mc^2\left(\frac{1}{1 - v^2/c^2} - 1\right)\,</math>
One can verify that, in the non-relativistic limit, the relativistic values converge to the classical ones.

It is this requirement, and some "''gedanken experiments''"<ref>https://www.britannica.com/science/Gedankenexperiment</ref> involving conversion between potential and kinetic energy, that lead to E=mc².<ref name="wvarticles"/> These experiments involve some kind of object that isn't moving (though there might be internal motion that doesn't figure in the experiment) and therefore has no kinetic energy and only potential energy, turning into some things that have kinetic energy. The requirements of strict conservation of total momentum and total energy prove the equation.

Einstein's famous derivation<ref name="einstein1905b">[http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/www/ "Does the Inertia of a Body Depend its Energy Content?" Albert Einstein, Sept 1905]</ref> involved light instead of tangible objects, but the result is the same.

==History of Experimental Verification==
Because the change in mass arising from a given release of energy is so small (<math>1/c^2</math>, which 1.11 x 10−17 kilograms per joule), it is essentially impossible to check this equation for normal processes. For example, a flashlight battery loses about 1 picogram of mass when it discharges, and the resultant atoms from the detonation of 1 kilogram of TNT weigh 47 nanograms less than the TNT. Even if all the particles of smoke and gas could be collected reliably, the difference couldn't be detected.

Measuring the effect requires process that release vastly more energy than ordinary chemical processes. The discovery of Radium and Polonium around 1898 gave a tantalizing hint that there were processes that released far more energy than chemical processes could account for. These elements continuously released measurable heat, and also glowed in the dark.

Einstein touched on this possibility in his original 1905 paper.<ref name=einstein1905b/>
{{cquote|''It is not impossible that with bodies whose energy content is variable to a high degree (e.g. with radium salts) the theory may be successfully put to the test.''}}It would take more than a decade to develop an understanding of the nuclear process involved. The first thing that was required was accurate knowledge of atomic weights.

Atomic weights of the various elements were first measured, with accuracy of a few decimal places, by J. J. Berzelius in the late 1820s. This required extremely painstaking (for the time) measurements. The figures were refined to even more accuracy by J. A. R. Newlands in the 1860s. The values were accurate enough to clearly show the rather interesting property that the atomic weights were nearly integers, but not exactly so. The reason for this would turn out to be partly because of different isotopes (discovered by Frederick Soddy in 1913) and partly because of E=mc2.

In 1907 Rutherford determined that the "alpha" radiation from Radium was Helium. In 1911 he formulated the theory of the nucleus. In 1919 he demonstrated that nuclear transmutations could take place, such as

::<math>{}_7^{14}\mathrm{N}\, +\, {}_2^4\mathrm{He}\,\rightarrow\, {}_8^{17}\mathrm{O}\, +\, {}_1^1\mathrm{H}</math>

The discovery of Radon, and much further investigation, revealed that the behavior of Radium was

::<math>{}_{88}^{226}\mathrm{Ra}\,\rightarrow\, {}_{86}^{222}\mathrm{Rn}\, +\, {}_2^4\mathrm{He}</math>
and
::<math>{}_{86}^{222}\mathrm{Rn}\,\rightarrow\, {}_{84}^{218}\mathrm{Po}\, +\, {}_2^4\mathrm{He}</math>

Accurate ways of measuring speed of a charged particle, by deflecting it in a magnetic field, had been developed by then, so that, by very painstaking observation and measurement, it was determined that the first alpha particle (Helium nucleus) had an energy of 4.78 MeV and the second an energy of 5.49 Mev. This confirmed E=mc2 up to the accuracy of the measurements. The equation, along with knowledge of isotope mixes, now explained why the atomic weights appearing in the periodic table were nearly integers, but not exactly so.

Around 1925, the development of the mass spectrograph, by Francis Aston, made it possible to measure atomic weights to extreme precision.

The 1932 Cockcroft-Walton experiment, described in more detail below, started to make the equation famous by confirming it, with reasonable accuracy, for an artificially induced nuclear reaction. (Confirming E=mc2 was not a goal of the experiment; it was an incidental consequence. The equation had already been known and understood for many years.)

In the decades since, nuclear transmutations have been performed, in particle accelerators, all over the periodic table, observing in detail the properties of various isotopes. These have confirmed E=mc2 with great precision. See [[Quantitative Analysis of Alpha Decay]].

==The Rainville test==
Perhaps the most precise direct empirical verification of E=mc2 was done in 2005 by Simon Rainville ''et. al.''<ref>[http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7071/full/4381096a.html Nature 438, 1096-1097 (22 December 2005)] doi:10.1038/4381096a; Published online 21 December 2005</ref> The article states that "Einstein's relationship is separately confirmed in two tests, which yield a combined result of 1−Δmc²/E=(−1.4±4.4)×10−7, indicating that it holds to a level of at least 0.00004%. To our knowledge, this is the most precise direct test of the famous equation yet described."

==The [[Cockcroft and Walton Experiment|Cockcroft/Walton experiment]]==
This experiment is not one of the ones usually cited as validating E=mc². That was not its goal. The generally accepted important tests of this equation are the measurements of alpha decay energies, described above.

In 1932 English physicist John Cockcroft and Irish physicist Ernest Walton performed the first artificial nuclear transmutation of nuclei, for which they were awarded the 1951 [[Nobel Prize]] in physics.<ref>[https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1951/cockcroft-lecture.pdf John D. Cockroft ''Experiments on the interaction of high-speed nucleons with atomic nuclei''], Nobel Lecture, Dec 11, 1951</ref> The award was for ''"their pioneer work on the transmutation of atomic nuclei by artificially accelerated atomic particles."''<ref>[https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1951/# Nobel Prize Organization]</ref>

Verifying E=mc² was not the goal of the experiment, and the Nobel prize was awarded for the transmutation itself, not any verification of the equation. This experiment could not have proved any general truth to the equation, since it was a test of just one specific reaction. But data from this experiment was consistent with the equation for the particular transmutation involved.

They bombarded [[Lithium]] atoms with [[protons]] having a [[kinetic energy]] less than 1 [[Electron-Volts|MeV]]. The result were two (slightly less heavy) [[alpha particle]]s, for which the [[kinetic energy]] was measured as 17.3 MeV

:::::<math>{}_3^7\mathrm{Li}\, +\, {}_1^1\mathrm{H}\,\rightarrow\,2\, {}_2^4\mathrm{He}</math>

The mass of the particles on the left hand side is 8.0263 [[atomic mass units|amu]], the mass on the right hand side ''only'' 8.0077 amu.<ref>Gerard Piel ''The age of science: what scientists learned in the 20th century'', Basic Books, 2001, p. 144-145</ref> The difference between this masses is .00186 amu, which results in the following back-of-an-envelope calculation:

::::<math>0.00186\,\mathrm{amu} \cdot c^2 = 0.0186 \cdot 1.66 \cdot 10^{-27}\,\mathrm{kg}\cdot\left(3\cdot10^8\,\mathrm{\frac{m}{s}}\right)^2</math>
::::<math>\approx\,2.79\cdot 10^{-12} \,\mathrm{kg}\mathrm{\frac{m^2}{s^2}}</math>
::::<math>\approx \,17.3\,\mathrm{MeV}</math>

Accurate measurements and detailed calculations allowed for verifying the theoretical values with an accuracy of ±0.5%. This was the first time a nucleus was artificially split, and thereby the first transmutation of elements using accelerated particles:

==A Famous Example -- Nuclear Fission of Uranium==

For most types of physical interactions, the masses of the initial reactants and of the final products match so closely that it is essentially impossible to measure any difference. But for nuclear reactions, the difference is measurable. That difference is related to the energy absorbed or released, described by the equation E=mc². (The equation applies to '''all''' interactions; the fact that nuclear interactions are the only ones for which the mass difference is measurable has led people to believe, wrongly, that E=mc² applies only to nuclear interactions.)

The [[Theory of Relativity]] played no role in this work, but proponents later tried to retrofit the theory to the data in order to explain the explain the observed mass changes.<ref>Actually, the formula E=mc2 was published in 1905, and has not changed since then. Fission of Uranium was discovered in 1938. It is not possible that the equation was retrofitted to explain this discovery.</ref> Here is the most famous example of the mass change.

Nuclear fission, which is the basis for nuclear energy, was discovered in experiments by [[Otto Hahn]] and [[Fritz Strassman]], and analyzed by [[Lise Meitner]], in 1938.

There are a great number of decay paths of [[Uranium]] fission that figured in this experiment. The result element that most caught their attention was [[Barium]], because it was chemically related to the Radium that they were expecting. One of the fission paths may have been this:

:235U → 140Xe + 91Sr + 4n

(The [[Xenon]] decayed within about a minute to 140Ba. They were searching for the chemical signature of Barium.)

The masses of the particles are:

{| class="wikitable" border="1" cellpadding="8" cellspacing="0"
! Substance
! 235U
! 140Xe
! 91Sr
! 4 neutrons
|-
| Number of protons
| 92
| 54
| 38
| 0
|-
| Number of neutrons
| 235
| 140
| 91
| 4
|-
| Number of electrons
| 92
| 54
| 38
| 0
|-
| Mass
| 235.04393
| 139.92164
| 90.910203
| 4.03466
|}

The mass of the Uranium atom is 235.04393, and the sum of the masses of the products is 234.866503. The difference is .177427 amu, or, using the E=mc² equation, 165 million electron volts. (The generally accepted value for the total energy released by Uranium fission, including secondary decays, is about 200 million electron volts.)

The insight that the conversion from Uranium to Barium was caused by complete fission of the atom was made by Lise Meitner in December, 1938. She had the approximate "mass defect" quantities memorized, and so she worked out in her head, using the E=mc² equation, that there would be this enormous release of energy. This release was observed shortly thereafter, and the result is nuclear power and nuclear weapons.

==A Topical Example: Speed of Extremely Energetic Neutrinos==
Here is another example of the use of this formula in physics calculations. In 2011 there were [https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/sep/22/faster-than-light-particles-neutrinos?newsfeed=true reports] that high-energy neutrinos had been observed traveling at a speed faster than the speed of light in an experiment at the Gran Sasso laboratory in Italy. Specifically, they seemed to have arrived at the detector 60 nanoseconds faster than light would have. Relativity doesn't allow that, and, since neutrinos have nonzero (but incredibly tiny) mass, they aren't even supposed to travel ''at'' the speed of light.

The mass of a neutrino is about 0.44x10−36kilograms. (Normally all of these things are measured in more convenient units such as Giga-electron-Volts, but that makes implicit use of E=mc2. If we don't accept that, we have to do the calculations under classical physics, using SI (meter/kilogram/second) units.) The neutrinos were accelerated to an energy of about 17GeV, or .27x10−8Joules. If one did not accept relativity and had to use classical physics and the classical formula <math>\mathrm{E} = \frac{1}{2}mv^2</math>, one would get v=110x1012 meters per second. This is about 370,000 times the speed of light, something that scientists would certainly have noticed. In fact, with special relativity, the speed is just under the speed of light, such that the neutrinos should be received at the detector about .26x10−24 seconds (.26 yoctoseconds) later than the speed of light itself. This is far too small to measure—15 orders of magnitude smaller than the resolution of the GPS signals in the experiment.

Later [http://news.sciencemag.org/2012/02/official-word-superluminal-neutrinos-leaves-warp-drive-fans-shred-hope%E2%80%94barely?ref=hp reports] started to resolve the mystery, and it is now accepted that the neutrinos behaved properly. But a BBC reporter made the incorrect statement that [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17364682 the neutrinos travelled at precisely light speed]. This was a simple misstatement, by .26 yoctoseconds.

The issue was discussed at length at Conservapedia.<ref>http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/102#Faster_than_light_neutrinos</ref><ref>http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/102#The_final_nail_in_the_coffin_of_relativity.3F</ref><ref>http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/102#Another_Blow_to_Relativity</ref><ref>http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/109#Neutrinos_now_obey_speed_limit</ref><ref>http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/111#Neutrinos</ref>

==Deducing the Equation From Empirical Observation==

While the equation was historically developed on theoretical grounds as an inevitable consequence of special relativity, it is possible to deduce it purely from empirical observation.

So, for the purposes of this section, imagine that one is in the era of "classical physics"; prior to 1900 or so. Relativity has not been invented, but, inexplicably, nuclear physics has. Imagine that the phenomena of radioactivity and nuclear fission have been observed, without any knowledge of relativity.

A well-accepted physical law of classical physics was the law of conservation of mass. This was not easy to deduce. It required careful analysis of such phenomena as combustion, in the 1700s, to eliminate the various confounding sub-phenomena that made the law difficult to see. But, by 1900, the law was well established:

:::*'''In all interactions, mass is precisely conserved.'''

For example, the mass of a TNT molecule is 227.1311 Daltons, or 227.1311 g/mol, which is, for all practical purposes, the same as the mass of its constituent Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, and Oxygen atoms. It is essentially impossible to measure the difference. The principle of conservation of mass is upheld.

But when nuclear phenomena are discovered, we notice something different. The masses of the result particles after an event (e.g. alpha decay, nuclear fission, or artificial transmutation) is measurably less than the masses of the original particle(s). With the invention of the mass spectrometer around 1920, it became possible to measure atomic weights of various isotopes with great precision.

Radium-226 decays into Radon-222 by emission of an alpha particle with an energy of 4.78 MeV.

1 kg of Radium-226 = <math>\frac{6.022 \times 10^{23}}{226.0254}</math> atoms. (The numerator is [[Avogadro's number]], and the denominator is the atomic weight of Radium-226.) This is 2.6643647 * 1024 atoms.

That number of Radon-222 atoms has mass .98226836 kg. That number of alpha particles has mass .01770863 kg.
The mass lost is .00002301 kg.

Each emitted alpha particle has energy of 4.78 MeV, or 4.78 * .1602 * 10−18 Joules. The total alpha energy from the decay of 1 kg of radium is 2.04 * 1012 Joules.

Also, Radon-222 decays into Polonium-218 by emission of an alpha particle with an energy of 5.49 MeV.

1 kg of Radon-222 = <math>\frac{6.022 \times 10^{23}}{222.0176}</math> atoms. This is 2.7124611 * 1024 atoms.

That number of Polonium-218 atoms has mass .98194467 kg. That number of alpha particles has mass .01802830 kg.

The mass lost is .00002703 kg.

Each emitted alpha particle has energy of 5.49 MeV. The total alpha energy from the decay of 1 kg of polonium is 2.39 * 1012 Joules.

It looks as thought we have to rewrite the law of conservation of mass:

:::*'''In all "ordinary" interactions, mass is precisely conserved.'''
:::*'''In nuclear interactions, there is a small but measurable loss of mass.'''

:By the way, we can clearly see that atomic weights of pure isotopes are not integers, and that it has something to do with the energy released by nuclear disintegration. In retrospect, the formula E=mc² explains the non-integer character of atomic weights.

Making special cases like this is unsatisfactory, of course.

We do this for a few other interactions, including the explosion of TNT. This would include the Lithium-plus-Hydrogen and Uranium fission phenomena described above. We won't bother with the details. As observational scientists, we look for patterns in the behavior of nature. We make a table:

{| class="wikitable" border="1" cellpadding="8" cellspacing="0"
! interaction
! energy released per kg, Joules
! mass lost per kg of original substance, kg
|-
| explosion of TNT
| 4.184 * 106
| seems to be zero
|-
| alpha decay of Ra-226
| 2.04 * 1012
| .00002301 kg
|-
| alpha decay of Rn-222
| 2.39 * 1012
| .00002703 kg
|}

We plot these, and a few others, not shown, on graph paper, and find to our amazement that the relationship is linear.

For Ra, m/E = .112794118 E-16
For Po, m/E = .113096234 E-16

If this is linear, the mass defect for TNT would have been .47 * 10−10. We couldn't possibly have measured this.

So we can rewrite the rule for conservation of mass in a more satisfactory way:

:::*'''In all interactions, there is a loss of mass, equal to about .113 * 10-16 kg per Joule of energy released.'''

What we thought was exact conservation is just very nearly exact, and we hadn't been able to measure it before.

But maybe there's more. This constant has dimensions of kilograms per Joule. From high-school physics, we know that that is seconds squared divided by meters squared. That is, it is the reciprocal of the square of a velocity. We calculate that velocity. It is about 2.97 * 108 meters per second. Very close to the speed of light! Very interesting! (The calculations above were not extremely precise. The formula has been verified with great precision, but not here.)

We don't understand why (that will have to wait for the invention of relativity), but we can formulate a hypothesis:

:::*'''In all interactions, there is a loss of mass, equal to <math>\frac{1}{c^2}</math> times the amount of energy released.'''

We don't have to give the units any more, since everything is now dimensionally correct.

::There is a very interesting analogy with the discovery of [[Maxwell's Equations]]. Maxwell found an interesting relationship involving the fundamental constants <math>\epsilon\,</math> and <math>\mu\,</math> appearing in his equations. Specifically, <math>\epsilon\mu\,</math> has the dimensions of seconds squared divided by meters squared, and that:

:::::<math>\frac{1}{\epsilon\mu} = c^2</math>

::where "c" was the known velocity of light. He also showed that his equations predict electromagnetic waves, propagating at that speed.

==See also==
*[[Attempts to prove E=mc²]]
*[[Counterexamples to Relativity]]
*[[Essay:Rebuttal to Counterexamples to Relativity]]
*[[Logical Flaws in E=mc²]]
*[[Essay:Rebuttal to Logical Flaws in E=mc²]]
*[[Quantitative Analysis of Alpha Decay]]
*[[E^2=(mc^2)^2+(pc)^2]]

== References ==
<references />
[[Category:Relativity]]
[[Category:Laws of Physics]]
[[Category:Physics]]

User talk:SamHB

2021-08-17T20:37:10Z

AugustO: /* Der Spiegel: Finland was the best at handling the coronavirus pandemic. Once again, countries with a Protestant cultural heritage shine very brightly! */

[[User talk:SamHB/Archive 1]]
[[User_talk:SamHB/archive_2]]
[[User_talk:SamHB/archive_3]]

== Red telephone for Cons ==

Cons: Thank you for dealing with the matter of [[Special:Contributions/Cal_Um]]. I know that you recognize that you are not an expert in relativity and know better than to get into the technical details of these discussions, and I appreciate that. (I wish more people recognized their limitations in this area; you can look up my recent controversies.) But this was a clear case of you recognizing that this guy was a troublemaker, and coming to my aid.

And now I see that there has been another case, with [[Special:Contributions/Bobbillyman69]], taken care of by Andy. Vandals look at the Recent Changes log: "Oh, look! Relativity is on today's dinner menu!" We old-timers know all about that phenomenon.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:21, 7 March 2017 (EST)
:Your welcome. I just happened to see it. I am guessing that for the foreseeable future that you and Andy are going to have to maintain the article as far as keeping it in accordance to compromise you two reached as far as the wording of the article. I don't think I will be of much help in the future. Again, I just happened to see that particular vandal.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:32, 7 March 2017 (EST)

== A liberal is wanted for an online dialogue ==

A liberal is wanted to have a single online dialogue. Please let them know at http://opposing-views.org/ if you are interested. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:15, 29 March 2017 (EDT)
:Here is their contact page: http://opposing-views.org/contact/ [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:25, 29 March 2017 (EDT)

::Well, I'm somewhat flattered, but significantly puzzled, by this. From looking at the web page, it looks like some kind of general liberal/conservative debate site. Currently focused on Obamacare, but with a wider outlook in general. My guess is that they are looking to increase their "contributor staff", particularly liberals, and they came to you. Or, more likely, you discovered them.

::I'm not interested in contributing to such a site. And one thing puzzles me about it. There are '''thousands''' of liberal/conservative discussions/debates/controversies that take place every day. I find myself in such discussions several times per day. So these people want to create yet another one? With nothing noteworthy about it? They will be (already are) totally drowned out by the discussions already going on around the internet. I have about a dozen such web sites already bookmarked.

::Now, about your choice of correspondent: I'm flattered, of course. But, when you needed to find a liberal friend, you came to ''Conservapedia''? Well, perhaps you contacted 97 other liberal acquaintances, besides EJamesW, AlanE, and myself. Actual liberals are a rare and endangered species here.

::About my politics. You put in some question, that you seem to have deleted, asking whether it's really true that I'm a liberal. Well, compared to most people, especially the admins, here at CP, I am way far left of the norm. But relative to the outside world, I am rather middle-of-the-road. (I can't speak for EJamesW or Alan, but I would guess that they are similar.) I actually hold a lot of conservative and "traditional" views, though that doesn't seem to mean much at CP. For example, I am appalled that we have a President who is a serial adulterer and is on his third marriage. And, all through the cold war, I was on the side of freedom, not the side of the murderous Communist thugs who were out to conquer the world. I believe in American exceptionalism, and believed that the United States was a beacon of liberty to the whole world. I was relieved when the Soviet Union collapsed. But now Russia, the descendant of the Soviet Union, is ruled by Vladimir Putin, a descendant of the Communists, one who invades other countries and fairly openly has his political opponents murdered. I am appalled that our current President doesn't have a problem with this.

::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 14:10, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
:::OK. Thanks for letting me know your decision promptly. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:03, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
::::I hope that it is possible to be a social conservative, a fiscal conservative, a political conservative, but still believe in rule of law, quantum mechanics, special relativity, and recent advances in machine learning/artificial intelligence. I never thought of SamHB as being a "liberal." [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 18:39, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
OK. SamHB is less on the left spectrum that I thought. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:11, 2 April 2017 (EDT)
:Doesn't help him though, does it, when some ''petty tyrant of the field'' decides to burn a conversation and give him a day off just because they can. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 00:24, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
::Sigh. Semper idem. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 02:25, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Well, actually, he can't. No, to be precise, he ''can'', but he ''may not''. It's interesting that this happened shortly after I complained about abuse of block power [[Talk:Main_Page#Abuse_of_block_power|here]], and his reply seemed to acknowledge that it was not within his authority to block me—"That's not up to me at this point, but to one of the admins".

:::I suspect that Northwest is probably feeling a bit guity about having violated his position of trust so blatantly by blocking someone over a content dispute. He may not realize that I am well respected by the admins; I've been around a while and they know me well. I've had some run-ins with Ed Poor, and he blocked me a couple of times for my abrasiveness, but we have since made peace. If Northwest looks at my block log, he will see that, until this week, none of my blocks involved "liberal POV". Mostly they were by people who had a rather checkered history of honesty, or for totally bogus claims of sockpuppetry with people I had never heard of.

:::It's ironic that all this happened only 2-1/2 hours after I put the lyrics to ''America'' on my user page, specifically calling out the lines
::::Confirm thy soul in self-control,
::::Thy liberty in law!
:::That was aimed at Donald Trump, who seems to have little self-control, little respect for law, little knowledge of American history and traditions, and little knowledge of, and respect for, the teachings of Jesus. But, as we say in this country: if the shoe fits, wear it.

:::In a few days I may go over to his talk page and try to make peace. To try to convince him that we can make CP a better place if we all work together. And that it would be better not to toss around the words "liberal" and "leftist" with such wild abandon, because it just makes CP look less respectable and trustworthy to do so. And that one doesn't need to be a "leftist" to oppose murderous thug Vladimir Putin.

:::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:38, 13 April 2017 (EDT)

::::To make it short and to the point: You were warned before about your behavior on CP and you didn't want to listen (specifically regarding numbers 9 and 10 - ''especially'' number 10, which you violated several times before - at [[Conservapedia:How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia|How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia]]), so that's how you got the day off. To read how both you and AlanE are talking about this, you both come off sounding like the liberal media pundits who complain about Donald Trump's travel ban against specific Islamic countries and his proposed illegal immigration ban.

::::Your comment "And that it would be better not to toss around the words "liberal" and "leftist" with such wild abandon, because it just makes CP look less respectable and trustworthy to do so" also reflects exactly the type of things liberals say regarding CP (at the [[Liberal Style]] article, under Debate and rhetorical tactics):
:::::"Like to use the phrase 'reflects poorly on the site' when talking about the liberal articles on Conservapedia."
::::And numbers 5 and 6 under Liberalism in the same article:
:::::"Calling the use of the term liberal when used in a derogatory context 'stupid'"
:::::"Will often deny being a liberal, or will claim to be a 'true conservative', while spouting liberal and Democrat talking points and criticizing basic conservative beliefs and principles."
::::And under Personal traits (again in the same article):
:::::"Concealing one's liberal views rather than admitting them"
::::But at day's end, this is still Conservapedia, ''not'' Liberalpedia. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 09:11, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

::I could parody being a liberal, but when pressed to the wall all my inner contradictions and stupidity would come out, which might then just seal the deal. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''CIA v Trump updated score'':CIA 3, Trump 2]] 13:15, 13 April 2017 (EDT)
:::I puzzled by several aspects of this. By "parody being a liberal" do you mean make fun of liberals with over-the-top humor, the way Stephen Colbert used to parody conservatives on his "Colbert Report"? (He shows his politics in a different way in his present show.) Or do you mean "Convincingly pretend to be a liberal, in a way that would trick one into believing that I am sincere?" Any intelligent and well-informed person (which you are) can do that. What do you mean by "my inner contradictions and stupidity would come out"? That you would have a hard time convincingly imitating the stupidity of liberals (liberals and conservatives both have consistency problems) so that your ruse would be unsuccessful? Or that your personal "contradictions and stupidity" would make you unable to do the job? And what do you mean by "seal the deal"? Succeed at your imitation? Or let others succeed at unmasking your attempts? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:51, 13 April 2017 (EDT)
::::You covered all bases quite well. Parodying a liberal is not hard. If you come to a juncture where you're at a loss, and you have to think "''What would be the appropriate liberal response?''", you just say something nonsensical and contradictory, and it would pass. That's what I mean by seal the deal - there would be no question I'm a liberal speaking from the heart. [[Poe's Law]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''CIA v Trump updated score'':CIA 3, Trump 2]] 19:07, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

== Vaping ==

(No, I'm not referring to E-cigarettes.) Cons, please do not vape other people's talk pages, OK? I know that what you recently vaped here was insignificant, but please don't do it. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:14, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

== 9th anniversary ==

Congratulations on your 9th anniversary here! Despite disagreements, edit wars, and 19 blocks, you are still around! I know a number of people don't agree with you on various topics, and even I disagree on some things you believe (most notably, macroevolution) but I appreciate that you have "stuck it out" and are still trying to make CP better. I also appreciate your insights on matters which have been influenced by things long before I was here. You were also the only one when I first joined who seemed to be making an effort to help me learn the ropes and how things work here (an effort I am trying to pass on to others now). Thanks for your efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:49, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

== Re: Claims of familiarity with CP guidelines ==

Since you claim to be familiar with, and "well versed in", Conservapedia's guidelines (per your edit on [[User talk:1990'sguy|1990'sguy's talk page]]), here's a refresher from the [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#Member Accounts|Member Accounts]] section:

* Conservapedia is a politically conservative, Christian encyclopedia project. We welcome opposing views, but are not interested in users who come here only to change articles to their ideology (''as you've insisted on doing with selected articles here as of late to change them to fit liberal POV, despite your claims otherwise - ed.''), or disrupt by constantly arguing on the article talk pages that we are "wrong" (''likewise - ed.''). Trolling comments, incivility and personal attacks can be removed from discussion pages.
* We are not a debate forum, but a project. If you contribute, where you can, by adding substantive content, abiding by our Guidelines, we welcome you. If not, remember it is a big Internet, and you should go where you can support the goals of that project.

[[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 18:37, 28 April 2017 (EDT)
:Go write up a Popeye episode, son. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 18:43, 28 April 2017 (EDT)
::This applies to you too, JohnZ, just so you know. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 19:13, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

== re: Liberal article ==

I made some revisions to the [[liberal]] article to make it more accurate. And made some talk page edits indicating my reasons for the changes. For example, liberalism is not communism or Nazism. [[Attila the Hun]] was not a liberal, etc.

If you want to review the article periodically to make sure my changes stick, it would be appreciated.

I will pay you the courtesy of not having all or most liberals equated with Attila the Hun, Adolf Hitler, Mao or Stalin. I would ask you, however, to have the decency to not publicize private emails.

By the way, I have been to Framingham, MA and got along with all the people I met. The people I met in Framingham did not give me Nazi salutes. And I did not see any Nazi flags on front lawns. Nor did I see any statues of Lenin while on Massachusetts thruways or while in Framingham. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:45, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:No Nazi flags? No Lenin statues? Not one? I guess Massachusetts is going soft. It must be all the political correctness or something. :-) I haven't seen any of that stuff in my trips to upstate New York either. Or in my trips to Iowa, Arizona, Arkansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Virginia, Alabama, Tennessee, or Missouri. What's the world coming to?

:Seriously, I have noticed your recent attempts to inject some reasonableness into certain articles, and I appreciate that. (I'm serious this time!) In fact, I have recently noticed some rather decent articles here. But plenty of awful ones, like "liberal" and its ilk. I'm trying to improve the good ones, while ignoring the awful ones. But you need to know that my ability to "make changes stick" is very limited, though I'll try. See my block log, the history of the [[Pussy Riot]] article, and the last half of the "A liberal is wanted for an online dialogue" section above (as well as a paragraph below), to see what I'm talking about. So someone might undo anything I do (and block me in violation of policy). But I'll try.

:I don't consider "not having all or most liberals equated with Attila the Hun, Adolf Hitler, Mao or Stalin" to be a courtesy to me personally. It's a courtesy to Conservapedia. But I appreciate it in any case.

:About the email: Perhaps I should have redacted the email address, but I considered that the name was so nondescript that it must have been a garbage gmail account that you created. If you have gotten spam on that account, I apologize. However, I think the general content of emails can't be considered private. (Just ask Hillary Clinton!) And most of the message was just hawking your own pages right here at CP, along with one link to a vimeo clip to an old Star Trek thing.

:Peace, my non-Nazi non-Communist friend, [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 13:45, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:::Follow-up: I have redacted the email more thoroughly; I assume from Cons's vaping that that is what he wanted me to to. He can't possibly have wanted me to conceal the ''fact that he sent it'', since he openly announced it in advance on this page.

::But if you do anything that goes against Conservapedia policy (as you've done repeatedly over time, and even recently), you ''will'' stand a chance of being blocked again (and despite what you otherwise think, blocking someone for violating CP policy is ''not'' "illegal"), so don't go thinking you can game the system just so you can get your way and get liberal POV imposed on this site. All you're doing every time you bring this up is that you're showing you prefer to ignore the rules of this site (and your history here, once again, proves that). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 23:43, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:::SamHB, I look at your restoration and its skepticism that more than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account.

:::The edit log shows that the User: Conservative account created the [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] article. The edit log shows that the User: Conservative account created the [[Gay bowel syndrome]] and [[Homosexuality and Parasites]] articles. No intelligent person believes that these articles are the work of one person. The footnoting style is radically different for the [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] article and frankly the article lacked machismo as soon as it used the alphabet soup of LGBTQ. Frankly, I don't even know what all those letters stand for. Why is the Q even used? It seems redundant.

:::You still not reconciled this blaring incongruently which was even noticed by a non-fan of the User: Conservative account. There must be some reason why you are not coming up with a reasonable explanation of the incongruity? What is it?

:::By the way, the explanation is so simple. More than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:45, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

== re: "I'm going to organize this in broad categories. That's the right thing to do for articles about scientists" ==

Bill Nye is an engineer. He is not a scientist. Stop engaging in credential inflation! I realize that evolutionism is exceedingly weak. But try to not engage in desperation tactics and make efforts to control yourself. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:46, 1 June 2017 (EDT)
:Well, it's the right thing for articles about science popularizers too.

:Sorry, I should have said "science popularizers". The fact that he's an engineer is irrelevant.

:I think the suggestion that I need to make efforts to control myself is a little harsh for such an infraction as calling him a scientist instead of a science popularizer. It doesn't strike me as anywhere near as great a failure of self-control as spending years pretending to be multiple people, or spending years making tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands? millions?) of edits, deletions, renamings, cross-links, and ineffably pointless changes to image sizes, mostly for an utterly obsessive corpus of foolishness.

:But we're still friends. I enjoy sparring with you. And I've got more stuff to do in reply to your previous edit on this page. But first, I need to change an image size.

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:18, 1 June 2017 (EDT)

== talk page second archive ==

You user talk page is insanely long. I think you are overdue for [[User talk:SamHB/archive 2]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:03, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

:You're right. Done. Thank you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:12, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
== Nice job ==
I read your user page archives - really entertaining, and they made me realized how wretched I was to write articles for Cons, even if they did get on the Main Page. Please, don't stop believing in relativity. Hold onto that feeling.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:34, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

== re: well-intentioned and level-headed people ==

You wrote: "You need to know that user "Conservative" ''is not in any way typical of the people we have here''. There are a lot of well-intentioned and level-headed people here, and you could have been a member of that community."

:First of all, User: Conservative is not merely one editor. So your petty personal attacks are lamer than you think. It is readily apparent that User: Conservative is more than editor. For example, the glaring topical/footnoting/writing style differences in the [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] article and some of the other homosexuality articles by the User: Conservative account. You have never explained these glaring differences.

:Secondly, you have yet to find a single factual error in any of the articles written by the User:Conservative account. You merely dislike some of the articles because they conflict with some of your errant/miscreant, liberal notions. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:29, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Actually, I've been meaning to rip you to shreds, yet again, over that weird fantasy of yours. But there's usually something more urgent to do. Especially now, with the "abcqwe" issue. Trying to keep him on board is much more important than yet another go-around with you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:30, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::Your name is <name redacted>, everybody who has ever posted on this site knows your name is <name redacted>, people who died 100 years ago know your name is <name redacted>. People who will not be born until the 22nd century knows your name is <name redacted>. Insult your own intelligence(not hard to do I know) but the rest of us are not falling for it.
:::Actually, that's not my name, assuming that you were referring to me (SamHB) when you wrote "you" above. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else.
:::In any case, it is considered poor form to "out" or "dox" someone on a wiki. And the identity and personal info about the person you are perhaps referring to are well known. I suspect that you are about to be blocked, if you haven't already been blocked as I write this. And what you wrote above will likely be vaped, though I will restore it (with the name redacted) if that happens. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:30, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::::
::::SanHV, why is the footnoting for [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] different from many other [[User: Conservative]] articles?

:::: I found out this month what the Q is in the acronym LGBTQ stands for. Why does the article [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] use the term LGBTQ, but the other homosexuality articles created by the User: Conservtive account not use that term?
:::::Probably because you are a klutz with your keyboard, as indicated by your spelling of "Conservtive". It stands for "queer", by the way.[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Is the term LGBTQ one that I would likely use? For example, how often does the word "gay" appear in Conservapedia's homosexuality articles?
:::::I wouldn't know. I'd have to read them. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Is the term "persecution of homosexuals" one that I would likely use? Why was there an internal battle within the User: Conservative account about the title of the article [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]]? For example, why was the title of that article changed/moved?
:::::Because you like to do that kind of thing, as anyone who looks at your contributions knows. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Liberals dominate the field of psychology. Do liberals excel in the field of psychology in order to be able to discern that more than one editor has used the User:Conservative account?
:::::I doubt it. I doubt that, by and large, they give a hoot about the size of your "collective". [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
::::If liberals do excel in the discipline of psychology, why do so many psychology experiments and journal articles have an inability to be replicated? See: [http://www.nature.com/news/over-half-of-psychology-studies-fail-reproducibility-test-1.18248 Over half of psychology studies fail reproducibility test], ''Nature'', August 27, 2015

::::RobS, 1990sguy and Karajou have been told privately that more than one editor has used the User: Conservative account. There was an attempt to make one of these editors an editor of the User: Conservative account, but Aschlafly would not permit it.
:::::Can you send me the email in which Andy said that? And, by "one of these editors" do you mean one of RobS, 1990sguy and Karajou? All you would have to do is privately send them your CP password. Andy would not know. In fact, if you mail me your password, at sam4557@gmail.com, I could become a member of your collective! The "sockpuppet" rule prohibits one person from having multiple CP accounts, but there's no rule about giving out your password. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Lastly, you couldn't rip a wet paper bad to shreds, let alone rip of member of the User: Conservative account to shreds. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:04, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
By the way, a 2006 international survey reported that 30% of the Swiss reject evolution which is one of the highest national percentages in Europe.[http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Home/Archive/Swiss_drag_knuckles_accepting_evolution.html?cid=70292] [[Switzerland]] has one of the very highest standards of living in Europe.

Denmark has one of the highest rates of belief in evolution in Europe (See: Jon D. Miller; Eugenie C. Scott; Shinji Okamoto (11 August 2006). "Public Acceptance of Evolution". Science. 313 (5788): 765–766.).

The Swiss are known for yodeling.
::I'm extremely fascinated, delighted, and enchanted to hear that. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
The Danes are known for bestiality! A 2015 ''Jerusalem Post'' article indicates "[[Copenhagen]] has for long been the bestiality capital of Europe and has attracted many tourists mainly visiting to have sex with animals. Legislation against this practice was only enacted this year."[http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Suggestions-for-the-anti-Semitic-slurs-list-434293] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:28, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:There are some worthwhile projects that I want to accomplish. I am not going to continue this latest battle between us. It doesn't make sense to respond to every slight someone directs your way. I am moving on. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:33, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
::I regret using the word miscreant above. It wasn't necessary.
:::No hard feelings. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:40, 6 June 2017 (EDT)

::I also agree with you that it would have been nice to retain the editor who recently departed. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
::::What??? To whom were you referring??? The one who was "showboating" and annoying Karajou and VargasMilan2 [sic]? I assumed you thought it was abcqwe, and I could find no evidence that he communicated with Karajou or VargasMilan. Who was it? Seriously, I'm curious. I'd like to know whether it was someone that I also disliked. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:40, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I just discovered that someone blocked [[User:Abcqwe]]. He made a number of posts to talk pages that irritated people. It seems as if he was spoiling for a fight and/or trying to gain attention. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:13, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::You just discovered that now?????? Really? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:40, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
::::For the record, he blocked himself indefinitely, but I changed the block to five years because indefinite blocks are problematic. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:23, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::OK. He was a provocateur at the end. No great loss. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::But, was it necessary to delete his user and talk pages? Or is this just CP policy? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:24, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::No, it is not policy. Please restore them. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:40, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
In terms of webmaster best practices, deleting low value pages is a beneficial thing to do. In 2017, Conservapedia is going to delete abandoned user pages and their respective talk pages. Andy has given the green light about this matter and he is not changing his mind about it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:00, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
::It is a "best practice" only because you have the technical permission, as an administrator, to do whatever you please. You can delete whatever you want, vape whatever you want, and block whomever you want, at any time. You even burned down ''this'' page on 10 January, 2015. I was never under the illusion that you would honor my request to restore his pages. And I can't help noticing that, shortly after you explained this "best practice", you deleted a few pages just to make the point. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
:Re: annoying Karajou and VargasMilan2 - see: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Karajou&diff=1351118&oldid=1350637 He sometimes signed his posts "Nate". As far as VargaMilan2, see conversation I moved to the community portal. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:23, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
::I think [[User:Abcqwe]] began to be more of a provocateur after I posted this article [[American liberalism and 21st century political losses]]. Given that he is an American liberal, it probably triggered his backlash/bitterness/resentment.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:33, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I don't think Abcqwe annoyed Karajou or VargasMilan while he actually edited. They wrote what they did in response to the news that he was leaving. On top of that, it seems that Abcqwe uses a lot of sarcasm and sarcastic humor, and I think his "confession" displayed some of it. He also seems to have overexaggerated. Personally, I think he should have been more frank in his post, and I don't think his sense of humor helped at all. Many people probably got the impression that he was a parodist/liberal, while I think it is more believable that he was a more moderate person who originally joined in good faith. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:06, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I seem to be the invisible man regarding Abcque. I was the one who tried to keep a lid on his vandalism. Did I need help? Yes. Did I ask for it?Yes. Did I get any from the lads wallowing in their anti liberal groupthinkfest, not giving a stuff for truth? No I did not. Do I still think that CP should be vehicle for information for homesckoolers? Yes. Is it ? No. Do I give a damn? Strangely, yes I do.
::::Sorry Sam. I have tried other forums to change an article title to allow me to correct the article. I want [[Joseph Belloc]] changed to [[Hilaire Belloc]]. Its simple really but the lads are too busy doing what they like doing. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 03:08, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

== Border fence for the unfree state of Massachusetts ==

[[File:Prison.jpg|thumbnail|200px|center|Border fence for the unfree state of [[Massachusetts]] designed to keep people from leaving the state. See also: [[Essay: Free States Movement|Free States Movement]] ]]
Actually, I haven't seen any fences like that, except at MCI<ref>Massachusetts Correctional Institution</ref> Concord, where I go to visit my cousin (you know, the one who is a member of your collective; they let people edit Conservapedia from the slammer), who is serving a 5-year stretch for not being a [[Essay: Professor PZ Myers fails his applied biology course#Addendum|"svelte Bible believing young earth creationist like Chuck Norris"]].
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==Joking about TAR==

Question: Will TAR return? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:24, 8 June 2017 (EDT)
:I will consider it ''only'' if he agrees to completely stop link-spamming and adding categories. If not, I or someone else will be forced to block him. I agree that he made some good changes, but the bad far outweighed the good. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:00, 8 June 2017 (EDT)
::I don't believe TAR is coming back. I was merely joking. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

That joke is not the least bit funny. I doubt that 1990'sguy appreciated the humor. As I'm sure you recall, during the period when TAR was being removed from the site (which is chronicled at [[User_talk:DavidB4#Cleaning_up_after_the_blocked_users]] and [[User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive60#Re:_Cleanup_work_post_TheAmericanRedoubt]], you repeatedly implied that you were somehow in private communication with him, and that, because of this, you could reassure everyone that he had no intention of coming back. But since you have a reputation for pretending to be in secret communication with people, just as you pretend to be multiple people, no one believed you. So Andy had to revoke his rights.

I don't believe he's coming back either, but not because of some private communication. It's because he would be shown the door instantly.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:33, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
:At this point, I really am not concerned if you believe I have had various private conversations with people or if you believe more than one person has edited using the [[User: Conservative]] account.

:It is probably best if we keep our communications cordial, but very limited in the future.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:34, 10 June 2017 (EDT)

::OK. The "ripping you to shreds" that I had planned will not occur. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:31, 11 June 2017 (EDT)
:::A few points:

:::1. You called my liar and I have never lied at this wiki. More than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account. You may not accept this fact as being true, but that is your problem and not mine. Aschafly is certainly aware that the User: Conservative account has had more than one editor use it and Karajou is aware as well. I did a checker user on the User: Conservative account and at least one other editor has used the account in the last 3 months.

:::2. I should have been more cordial in my last communication with you. After all is said and done, I have decided to communicate far less on talk pages due to competing priorities. So any absence of communication with you isn't personal. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:36, 11 June 2017 (EDT)

== From warrior to diplomat ==

"Warrior to Diplomat

In his previous roles, Harald had focused primarily on marshaling the troops to defeat the competition. Now he found himself devoting a surprising amount of time to influencing a host of external constituencies, including regulators, the media, investors, and NGOs. His support staff was bombarded with requests for his time: Could he participate in industry or government forums sponsored by the government affairs department? Would he be willing to sit for an interview with an editor from a leading business publication? Could he meet with a key group of institutional investors? Some of these groups he was familiar with; others not at all. But what was entirely new to him was his responsibility not just to interact with various stakeholders but also to proactively address their concerns in ways that meshed with the firm’s interests. Little of Harald’s previous experience prepared him for the challenges of being a corporate diplomat.

What do effective corporate diplomats do? They use the tools of diplomacy—negotiation, persuasion, conflict management, and alliance building—to shape the external business environment to support their strategic objectives. In the process they often find themselves collaborating with people with whom they compete aggressively in the market every day.

To do this well, enterprise leaders need to embrace a new mind-set—to look for ways that interests can or do align, understand how decisions are made in different kinds of organizations, and develop effective strategies for influencing others."[https://hbr.org/2012/06/how-managers-become-leaders]

Harald made the transition. The Apostle Paul made the transition. I wonder if someone else can? :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:50, 11 June 2017 (EDT)

:I '''think''' you are making some good points in what you say, and it's certainly true that my ways of interacting with people on the internet (and in real life too) could use some improvement. But I'm having a hard time following your examples. I don't know who "Harald" is/was. Some ancient Nordic king? I know who the Apostle Paul was, but I don't see his situation as being relevant to business, the media, investors, or NGO's. And my situation isn't relevant to those things either. At least you didn't bring in Sun-Tzu. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 17:20, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
::SamHB, I was merely saying that I have decided to be more diplomatic.
:::Oh! I was reading way too much into what you were saying. (I often do that.) So you were saying that '''you''' want to "make the transition" and do a better job of persuasion and conflict management. OK, I will try to do the same.
:::As an example, I will try to calm GinnyS down. I think she may be cruisin' for a bruisin'. I will try to explain that you are an acquired taste, and that personal attacks are ''never'' allowed. And I'll try to make that same point to JohnZ, for when he comes back. He is in a situation that is similar in some ways but different in other ways. I think that, due to my longevity, I have gotten a certain amount of respect among the young-uns, and I can use that respect to get them to behave better.
:::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:00, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

::As an aside, as far as Trump, I have never seen a president attacked as much as Trump and with such venom. On the other hand, I have never seen a president counterpunch as much too (and sometimes in a very personal way). It is nothing new though. Burr/Hamilton had many exchanges of words before their duel. And Lincoln was viciously attacked by his critics if memory serves. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:22, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Trump deserves every bit of what he gets. He knows next to nothing about American government, institutions, history, or traditions, seems to know very little about Christianity (though I realize I'm suppose to remove the plank from my own eye before making accusations like that), and seems to know very little about the Christian notions of generosity, forgiveness, humility, and contrition. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:00, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

== If you know of any good faith editors who have edited in the last 5 years and... ==

If you know of any good faith editors who have edited in the last 5 years and they are not on my list at [[User talk:Wikignome72]], please let me know.

I relied on: the recent changes list, my memory, user talk page edits for some of the active or formerly active editors. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:11, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

:Actually, yes, I could contribute a lot of names of people to keep. As you may know, I do a lot of "homework" or "research" here at CP, and I have a pretty good idea of who's who. Perhaps second only to you. But I think it's an unnecessary exercise to delete the old pages. And I sure hope your current deletion binge (well, deletion suggestion binge) isn't a reaction to my complaining, above, that you should not have deleted abcqwe's page.

:By the way, I have been trying to make an addition to Wikignome72's page, saying essentially the same thing, for over 3 hours, getting edit conflicts each time. I'll wait until you come up for air.

:If you actually want me to come up with a list of people that should be protected, I could do that. I would probably do it by going through the edit histories of all the articles that I have worked on and think are good, and noting everyone who contributed (who isn't a jerk).

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 17:20, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

== Some people our friend ought to keep ==

First preliminary, your quizzes are cute.

Second preliminary, I really think he ought to be welcomed, even if he is just you. I don't know why you keep deleting my attempts to welcome him. I like to keep up the pretense that he's a real person.

Third preliminary, I had no idea there was so much garbage in the user base. But I hope you don't think you are saving disk space; you aren't. Nothing ever really goes away in a computer database. Except "vaping", which you aren't doing.

I see the purge is in full swing. I've gone over the list, and there are a few people I recognize as having been, one way or another, significant people in CP's history. I'd like you (him, her) to consider restoring them. Some people left in anger (and at least one had some serious criticism of you personally.) But they are nevertheless part of our history. People won't know how we got here if they can't see our history. I've argued in the recent past that we should keep the "Parthian shot" of someone who has been blocked, so that, if they try to come back, we will know why they were kicked out and why they should not be allowed back in. But it's more than that. We need to remember the conflicts that have gone on in the past. Well, some of them; many people were just losers and deserve to be forgotten. Heck, isn't there a page called something like "Examples of censorship by the 'tolerant'"? I haven't looked at it lately, but we may be damaging it. We need to keep at least some of those examples around, don't we?

So here are a few people I've found so far. Is it possible to bring them back? I think it is, unless they have been "vaped", which I don't think they have been.
*DanH Wasn't he a sysop and well-respected person? Wasn't he the chess player? I may misremember the details [I sure do!], but he was an important part of our history. I seem to have confused him with ...
*DeanS Wasn't he a sysop and well-respected person? Wasn't he the chess player? And the Mormon who was concerned about whether there would be intolerance of Mormon? (Answer: none at all.) Wasn't he the person whose wife died? Wasn't he the geologist whose user name was originally "crocoite" (an interesting mineral), and then changed it in order to comply with the username policy? I may misremember the details, but he was an important part of our history.
*MatthewQ I see there's been some back-and-forth on this. He was a somewhat interesting science contributor.
*StaceyT Yeah, she was unhappy. But we need to see what sorts of things made people unhappy.
*Ymmotrojam He was a big player at one time.
*Coolguy Yes, he was recent, and p*ss*d some people off and was shown the door. But we need to see that history.
*And, of course, you won't delete Philip J Rayment, right?
There are others that haven't been deleted (yet).

Did you know that DeborahB created her account when Conservapedia was only 6 days old? She was a true "founding mother".

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 11:20, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:I will restore DanH.

:MathewQ mere had "useful links" on his user page so there is no need to restore that, but I kept his user talk page.

:StacyT was contentious and probably a sock of a man if I recall. Definitely a loser. Not restoring.

:Ymmotrojam deleted his own user page and talk page. I am respecting his wishes and keeping those pages deleted.

:Coolguy was a person who was not willing to engage in dialogue. Like many on the left, he was ignorant of history and/or wanted to engage in revisionism. He just wanted to pontificate. There are plenty of reasons to believe that various founding fathers were not Christians. But when you look at the state constitutions and various other important historical considerations, it is very apparent that Coolguy was pushing a very ignorant/false narrative of American history. I not going to bother to restore his user page or talk page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:31, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

== Re: restoration of DanH and PJR. Looking into other restoration ==

The user pages of [[User:DanH]] and [[User:Philip J. Rayment]] (PJR) were so boring, it gave me an excuse to delete them. But I really shouldn't have deleted them. And I just discovered that TK made those pages boring with his revisions to those pages.

So I restored those pages to their former glory. I did add a link to my atheism article from PJR's talk page by adding a bracket around his use of the word "atheists" on his user page. I am still in communication with PJR and his wife, and I know that PJR would not mind my small change.

I am looking into the DeanS restoration. I did not delete it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:22, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:[[User:DeanS]] user page history has been restored along with TK's replacing of the blanking by DeanS with a retired template. The retired template looks better. I don't think DeanS would have minded.

:DeanS deleted his user talk page. I am going to keep it deleted.

:I think DeanS left due to ill health, but it could have been due to disputes with evangelical Christians on the website (He was a Mormon) or some other reason. I have no idea. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:32, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::As far as DeanS, I did a little detective work and restored his talk page to the version I think he would have wanted. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:48, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Thanks for attending to these details. As far as leaving the last version of something up, when it just says "retired", there's nothing wrong with that, as long as data squirrels like myself can look through the history and see what led to the retirement. That's what we should have—a historical record. (Excuse me, an historical record.) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:34, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I think PJR left due to a battle over gun owner rights/public safety controversies. But perhaps that was merely the final straw. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:41, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
I restored the user page of [[User:JacobB]] as well. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:58, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::I removed the striked out text from PJR's user page. It looked sloppy and I didn't see any real purpose in it. Next time I talk to PJR, I will see if he is fine with the edit. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:32, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

==Taking some of your advice==

Greetings, Cons!

The long message you left for me yesterday was extremely interesting. I had to go back a long way (June 29, 2015) to find what you were referring to and refresh my memory of the issue. It's too bad that yesterday's message was lost in a wiki server malfunction.<ref>This seems to happen a lot with your contributions.</ref> The "advice" that you seem to have been referring to was that you should direct your persuasive energies into ways that are more likely to have an actual effect on people, such as human interaction, rather than writing Conservapedia articles. And you mentioned "opportunity cost", that is, the cost of one approach versus another in terms of actual payoff.

You ended with your usual argument against evolution, giving two web references. The first was to a page that had a religious web site in its name. As you know, I totally ignore any arguments about scientific topics appearing in religious web sites or religious publications. If one can't make an argument about a scientific topic (as opposed to, say, a topic of morality or ethics), without saying "because the Bible says so", I'm not interested.

The second web site was [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohp4dmkOmKE this]. So I had to look. Though it was clear right from the start (though not from the URL itself) that it was a religious web site—it was from the PNN News and Ministry Network, and it also had front-page references to http://www.hickoryhammockbaptist.org and http://creation.com. It had five "questions for the evolution believer". I had to sit through a guy with a very irritating voice listing the questions. (Aren't there 15 questions elsewhere? This guy isn't even trying!)
:The first was about abiogenesis. We all know that the question of abiogenesis, while interesting and having no known solution at present (or perhaps ever), lies outside of the issues of evolution/Biblical creation and young-Earth/old-Earth cosmology. So I had to sit through 55 seconds (opportunity cost!) of that nonsense.
:The second one was about "language", making the point that the DNA code satisfies all the accepted criteria for being a language, yet is unique among languages in that it was not developed by humans. (Not true, by the way.) And so somehow this meant that evolution must not have happened. Huh?
:It went downhill rapidly from there. The third was about sexual reproduction, and how "wasted energy" involved in this meant that evolution could not be correct. Or something. I stopped listening.
All things considered, sort of fun. But now, if you'll excuse me, I need to take your advice about taking my advice, and consider the opportunity cost of replying to you on my talk page. So long for now. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:19, 7 July 2017 (EDT)
::Essentially, I said that I am going to use my time better so I have a greater positive impact in life. Recently, I am more on track except for a comment on main page talk today.

::In July of 2017, I will be working on a Conservapedia related project. But you will see no edits being performed by the User: Conservative account in relation to this project.

::“Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.” - [[Sun Tzu]]
:::Well, that's some advice I am '''not''' going to take. But if you think it works for you (I disagree) go right ahead. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:58, 8 July 2017 (EDT)

::此（译注：用间）兵之要，三军之所恃而动也 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:12, 7 July 2017 (EDT)
::::I sent you a sour email recently about you publishing one of my emails recently. Looking back, I shouldn't have sent it.

::::No hard feelings. Enjoy your summer. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:45, 10 July 2017 (EDT)

OK, I got the email. I want to apologize for any behavior that may have led you to believe I can't be trusted with private information. Let me assure you that I am a trustworthy person when I know what information is being kept confidential.

The email that you are referring to is presumably the message listed above somewhere (or maybe it's been archived by now), in which I divulged both the sender and the content. Of course I divulged the fact that you sent the message--you had already said publicly that you were going to send it. I assumed that the email name of the sender was not secret because it looked like a "throwaway" name of the sort that people often create. In fact, you have sent other emails to people with various names. I assumed that you don't consider them secret. If I harmed you by revealing the name, I apologize.

After you complained, I redacted everything in the email listed above except the content. I believed that the content was typical of the things you write all over the place at Conservapedia. It was largely references to your various articles, as is your writing style. If the particular content of that message was something you wanted protected, I apologize.

If you wish to vape the redacted message above on this page, go ahead; I won't complain or restore it. (As you know, I usually oppose vaping, especially on users' talk pages, and sometimes restore the vaped material.)

So I need to know just how much secrecy you desire:
*Do you want me not to reveal even the fact of having received a message? Even if you said, here on this talk page, that you are going to send it or have sent it?
*Do you want me not to reveal the user ID of the sender?
*Do you want me not to reveal the content?
*Do you want me not even to say that I have replied, or otherwise give any general information about what was discussed?
At the risk of violating the last point, I suspect that the project you referred to (which you also mentioned above on this page) is something I wouldn't be interested in. I know that, in the past, your projects have been things like an anti-evolution pamphlet. Now if you want to collaborate on an anti-creationist pamphlet (you know, things like "15 questions that creationists can't answer") by all means, sign me up.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 14:07, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

:At Conservapedia, I am not going to discuss any of the off wiki activities of the editors who use the User: Conservative account. This is the simplest solution to potential problems caused by the intolerant left.

:The simplest solution to the email issue is for me to no longer send you any emails. But perhaps I will change my mind on this matter. I can certainly pray about this matter. If we were to communicate privately it would probably be Skype communication due to constraints upon my time. I am going to strongly endeavor to be more efficient with my time and communicating via email can be more time intensive. But you have indicated that you are not interested in Skype communications so in all likelihood, I doubt there will be future private communications between us.

:Again, no hard feelings. I will certainly endeavor to keep my communications with you at Conservapedia cordial. And again, enjoy your summer. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:43, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
::I just sent you an email. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:43, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
:::I sent you an additional email. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:20, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::::I will keep my promise of confidentiality. So let me just say that there has been some traffic on the sam4557 email account of late. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 09:29, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
:::::I just sent you another email. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:10, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::::::I sent you a small request via email. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:34, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
== re: polishing up my grammar and writing skills ==

I sent you a private email. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:32, 31 July 2017 (EDT)

==For Cons==
I normally find "listicles" ("The 15 worst beaches", etc.) on the internet to be extremely stupid. But [https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/whats-hot/38-things-no-man-over-40-should-own/ss-AAoKipb?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral#image=2 this one] was actually entertaining. I especially liked [https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/whats-hot/38-things-no-man-over-40-should-own/ss-AAoKipb?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral#image=9 item number 8]. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:33, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::I am cutting back on entertainment. I made a couple of promises to people that require stricter time management.

::In terms of time management, I shouldn't have done any Conservapedia editing today. But I decided to get back on track.

::"Top performers make mistakes, commit errors, and get off track just like everyone else. The difference is that they get back on track as quickly as possible." - How to Build a New Habit: This is Your Strategy Guide by James Clear[http://jamesclear.com/habit-guide]

::There are so many internet cat videos, but so little time. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
I did a little bit of additional editing to reflect some significant changes relative to some of the articles I have created in the past. But I really shouldn't have done that.

But I am getting back on track in terms of some important promises.

However, I will not be editing Conservapedia for 66 days (see this interesting study: [http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejsp.674/full How are habits formed: Modelling habit formation in the real world]). You can hold me to this. On October 7, 2017, I will let you know how things went in terms of new habit creation and bad habit cessation.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:34, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

::I find it odd that all the many members of the User:Conservative account are all going to be busy for the next 66 days, is this an admission that there is only one of you? Listed in the differences between Wikipedia and Conservapedia is the respect for a users talk page. So what is this about?
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:SamHB&curid=133755&action=history]
Not a lot of respect for the rules here, but then again the rules have never applied to you have they?--[[User:JoshO|JoshO]] ([[User talk:JoshO|talk]]) 16:12, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

:Those 66 days just flew by. If you cannot model your habits on your own, perhaps you should try to get help from others? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 06:07, 10 August 2017 (EDT)

::Are you forgetting that more than one editor uses the User:Conservative account and it's the specific editor who said he was taking time off that would be doing it? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 06:30, 10 August 2017 (EDT)
:::AugustO, I am going to get back on track. I will not edit Conservapedia until Sunday, October 15, 2017. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:00, 10 August 2017 (EDT)
AugustO, I am going to get back on track. '''I will not edit Conservapedia until Sunday, October 15, 2017'''
*13:37, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+96)‎ . . 2018 Global Atheist Convention ‎
*13:37, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+125)‎ . . 2018 Global Atheist Convention ‎
*13:19, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+30)‎ . . Atheist fundraising vs. religious fundraising ‎ (→‎See also) (current)
*13:18, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (-12)‎ . . Fundraising ‎ (→‎Religious fundraising vs. atheist/irreligious fundraising) (current)
*13:17, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+17)‎ . . Charity ‎ (→‎See also) (current)
*13:17, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+30)‎ . . Fundraising ‎
*13:16, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (-1)‎ . . Fundraising ‎
*13:15, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . m Fundraising ‎ (Conservative moved page Fund-raising to Fundraising) --[[User:IMcCleod|IMcCleod]] ([[User talk:IMcCleod|talk]]) 16:18, 12 August 2017 (EDT)

::IMcCleod, do you also assume that only one editor uses the User:Conservative account (even though it has been made clear that it is used by multiple editors)? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 23:16, 12 August 2017 (EDT)
:::<s>IMcCloud, Christendom is playing a significant role in bringing [[Atheist factions|the quarrelsome]] and socially challenged [[atheist movement]] to its knees and now [[Global atheism statistics|atheists are shrinking in their global influence]].

:::American [[Atheist fundraising vs. religious fundraising|atheist fundraising]] is now anemic. The atheist activist Lee Moore recently admitted concerning major atheist organizations in the United States: "Most of them are starved for cash. They're downsizing left and right."[http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheist_fundraising_vs._religious_fundraising#Atheist_activist_Lee_Moore:_Donations_to_atheist_organizations_are_down_due_to_infighting_within_the_atheist_movement]

:::While I am pleased to see that the largely despondent atheist movement is imploding while Christendom is going one glorious victory after another (see: [[Atheist pessimism about the atheist movement]] and [[Future of Christianity]]), I have decided to broaden my horizons (And SamHB has played a role in this matter).

:::As tempting as it is to add further information about the current state of affairs concerning the [[atheism vs. Christianity]] topic, I have decided that I must do better in keeping my commitment to be more focused in some of my current endeavors. Therefore, I am going to be completely resolute in this matter and not edit this wiki until October 18, 2017. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])</s>

"AugustO, I am going to get back on track. '''I will not edit Conservapedia until Sunday, October 15, 2017"
*18:01, 15 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+280)‎ . . Millennials, irreligion and obesity ‎ (→‎See also) (current)
*17:54, 15 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (-25)‎ . . Millennials, irreligion and obesity--[[User:Jaris|Jaris]] ([[User talk:Jaris|talk]]) 18:17, 15 August 2017 (EDT) ‎

==More about Cons==
In a [http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:SamHB#Taking_some_of_your_advice section above] Cons asked for complete secrecy if we are to engage in an email dialog. I gave him that assurance. I have abided by it, and will continue to do so. He then wrote that he had sent me an email.

Other than to say that there has been some traffic on the sam4557 account, I will have nothing to say about any email. Please do not ask about it; I will not reply. Everything I write below is based entirely on material that is publicly visible on this website.

Alert observers may have noticed that I dropped out of sight at about the same time that Cons (first) did. That is entirely a coincidence; there was no "pact" or "challenge". I dropped out because it became clear, from the [[Pussy Riot]] article, that "assistants" / "junior sysops" have been granted absolute power to control editorial content however they see fit, blocking other contributors if it suits them, and that a few of those assistants are actively wielding that power.

Now, about Cons's "pledge" to refrain from editing CP and pursue more productive activities (I have no idea where the 66 days figure comes from), it is clear that, although there has been some good behavior, there has been some backsliding. Various other people have, quite understandably, chided him over this. Cons has apologized and promised to do better, only to have succumbed to temptation again. Longstanding bad habits are difficult to break. I would recommend that people show some Christian forgiveness, forbearance, and understanding as he struggles with this. (This would certainly be easier if Cons had shown more understanding and forbearance toward others in the past.)

But there is something quite revealing about what has been going on. '''He could easily have blamed the backsliding on other members of his "consortium".''' Instead, he owned up to it. This shows, ''the way nothing else can'', that the business of Cons's account being operated by multiple people was utter nonsense. Most sensible people, including myself, saw through this all along. But a few people, as seen above on this page, including sysops who presumably had access to whatever non-public information there might have been, seem to have been totally taken in by this nonsense. Cons was man enough to admit to his failings, and other people should be man enough to accept that this "multiple person" fantasy was just that.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:37, 19 August 2017 (EDT)

:I know you're referring specifically to me regarding the Pussy Riot article, SamHB. You were told on that and other articles (more than once) not to impose a liberal POV on them, but you didn't take heed of that advice and you went ahead anyway in violation of Conservapedia policy, following past behavioral patterns that led to you being blocked numerous times before by other editors. When you also say "various other people" regarding User:Conservative, what you really mean is the same poster using multiple accounts (most of which have since been blocked for sockpuppeteering) to hurl that accusation about the account just being used by one editor as opposed to more than one. Until Conservative says otherwise, I'm going to take his word for it. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 21:24, 19 August 2017 (EDT)

== Re: SamHB's recent post to his talk page ==

A few things:

'''1.''' The 66 days is based on a journal article in the ''European Journal of Social Psychology'' entitled ''How are habits formed: Modelling habit formation in the real world''.[http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejsp.674/full]

'''2.''' Sysops/admins have been told that more one person has used the User:Conservative account and I have indicated this multiple times. Sysops/admins have access to the check user function of this wiki which has enabled them to see that the User: Conservative account has been edited from multiple geographic regions (sometimes the account has been edited from more than one geographic region in the same day due to the fact that the account has been used by more than one editor).

It has also been observed that the footnoting style of various User: Conservative edits has been radically different.

In addition, skepticism has been expressed that one of the users of the User: Conservative account would create an article entitled [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]].

'''3.''' SamHB is correct that longstanding bad habits can be difficult to break. While it is true that I had about a week long stretch without editing Conservapedia in early August of 2017, I ended my break from editing this wiki before the 66 days was up.

Since this habit is more entrenched than anticipated, more drastic measures are clearly needed! So this habit will be broken using multiple methods - including a tried and true Marine Corps and Navy Seal method (Push ups if the old habit reemerges!).

My next edit to this wiki will be on Tuesday, October 25, 2017.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:33, 20 August 2017 (EDT)

:There might be things I want to say here, but they will have to wait until the 66 days are up.
:@Cons: You know what you need to do. Or, more precisely, what not to do. If you absolutely have to have some critical change made, feel free to send me an email.
:@everyone else: Please stay away.

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:10, 20 August 2017 (EDT)

== Please check your email ==

SamHB, please check your email. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:18, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:I have not looked at my sam4557 email since late August, and do not plan to look at it for 66 days. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:05, 14 September 2017 (EDT)

== Quick note ==

For the next 66 days, I may not strictly adhere to the 66 days editing total fast on Conservapedia editing, but I will at least be on a very restricted diet. :)

I may do a limited amount of main page posts. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:03, 28 September 2017 (EDT)
:I know I have to be very strict about this former pledge. The Apostle Paul says some relevant things about this matter. I am going to write to you about this matter.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
== More than one User: Conservative at Conservapedia ==

<s>Note the footnoting and writing styles in these recent articles written using the [[User: Conservative]] account:

*[[List of atheist shooters and serial killers]]

*[[Atheism and mental illness]]

*[[Essay: Was Stephen Paddock an atheist mass killer?]]

The footnoting styles are clearly different between the first/second works and the third work (which is an essay). Why are the footnoting styles different? Because multiple editors have used the User: Conservative account.

Clearly, the [[ad hominem]] attacks against "User: Conservative" and the armchair psychological analysis of "User: Conservative" should be reexamined.

There are scholars that speculate there are multiple writers behind the work commonly associated with [[Sun Tzu]].

"Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate." - Sun Tzu.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])</s>
== A major search engine whose name begins with the letter G, recognizes that certain "atheist gentlemen" have been rattled and overwhelmed by the sheer weight of the "Atheism and ...." heavy artillery barage by the User: Conservative collective ==
[[File:Google recognizes COCD.png|thumbnail|center|800px]]
{{clear}}

<s>For more information, please see:

*[[Essay: Conservapedia Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is an officially recognized mental disorder|Conservapedia Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is an officially recognized mental disorder]]</s>

Talking about obsessions:
{{cquote|My next edit to this wiki will be on Tuesday, October 25, 2017.Conservative (talk) 12:33, 20 August 2017 (EDT)}}
And no, I had no trouble waiting until '''''Wednesday''''', October 25, 2017, to post this comment ;-)
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 04:51, 25 October 2017 (EDT)
:Which is nowhere ''near'' the level of liberal obsession with wanting to silence free speech for everyone but themselves (hence the regular attacks on this site by immature liberal vandals, and even attacks from within by the few regular liberal posters who ''think'' they know what's best for this site better than the admins do). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 00:26, 26 October 2017 (EDT)

== User: Conservative account ==

I had another member of the User: Conservative editor base change the password to the User: Conservative account.

In about a couple months or so, he will give me the new password.

Taking a break from editing for awhile. See you when you get back.

By the way, the [[2018 Global Atheist Convention that was cancelled|2018 Global Atheist Convention]] was cancelled due to lack of interest. Of course, this is yet another sign that Christendom has gloriously triumphed over the [[atheist movement]]! :)[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 11:02, 15 November 2017 (EST)

== Not impressed ==

Besides you seeking to provoke yet another fight on this site, you've also demonstrated two things by copying the user template I created for my user page (the one indicating that the user does not support the liberal media) and changing it into something else (accusing Breitbart News, a conservative news site, of being "fake news" even though it is not):

# You proved through your actions that liberals (like yourself) lack originality and prefer to copy and imitate others (per the [[Liberal Style]] article, in number seven of the [[Liberal Style#Debate and rhetorical tactics|Debate and rhetorical tactics section]])
# You resorted to the notorious tactic made infamous by Marx, Lenin and Goebbels in accusing conservative media of what the liberal media (particularly CNN, MSNBC, the nightly network newscasts, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Huffington Post, Vice Media, etc.) is guilty of itself (propagating lies, bias and fake news)

Congrats, you just proved the point Conservapedia (and other sources) made about liberals and their tactics once again through your actions in trying to force a liberal POV here. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 09:37, 21 November 2017 (EST)

::Well, I '''am''' impressed. You say that "liberals [...] lack originality and prefer to copy and imitate others [...]", and yet I have this: [http://www.conservapedia.com/User:SamHB#The_current_occupant_of_the_White_House] on my user page, from 03:52, 12 December 2017, and you made an interesting edit to your user page [http://www.conservapedia.com/User:Northwest] at 16:58 the same day. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:42, 22 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Which was in response to the false claims you made about President Trump, FYI. Are you really itching to start yet another fight here? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 19:34, 22 June 2018 (EDT)

== This page is not to be used for abusing, insulting, berating, or bullying cancer patients, or otherwise engaging in the kind of social, moral, or ethical depravity that people outgrow by age 10. ==

I didn't berate any cancer patients. I merely pointed out the unhealthy and anti-social habits of atheists which give the atheist population a higher cancer rate.
:You most certainly did. A careful reading of your activities here at CP relating to cancer, as well as what's been going on over at RW, shows very clearly that you were engaging in abusive and, frankly, un-Christian behavior toward RW user "Mercian". It is completely obvious from a careful reading of this what has been going on. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:32, 30 December 2017 (EST)
In 2017, I helped my friend by researching the best solutions to treat his loved one's cancer. He asked me to do it because he felt I had strong research skills. In 2018, I am helping an anti-cancer initiative. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:15, 24 December 2017 (EST)
:Congratulations. BTW, I'm also engaged in helping an anti-cancer initiative.
:Also, your suggestion that left-handed people are somehow "mutant" strikes me as a bit more provocative than someone who is trying to win hearts and minds ought to be. You might want to tone down the negativity in the things you write. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:32, 30 December 2017 (EST)
::<s>"A systematic literature review combined with primary research on handedness demonstrates that atheism and/or paranormal belief is associated with all of these indicators of high mutational load."[https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0133-5]

::Judging by [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKl9H037C1k THE VIDEO] I saw where he explains his theory, the British anthropologist who published the article appears to be a person of high intelligence, but likely not as creative in his thinking as he ought to be (Maybe left-handedness creates otherness and people less prone to conformity), Nevertheless, he does appear to be smart enough to recognize what high mutational load is.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:37, 30 December 2017 (EST)</s>
=== Atheism and cancer ===

<s>Some atheist (or at the very least someone who appeared to be an atheist) claimed an [[Atheism and cancer]] article was created in the past at this wiki. Yet, when I did a search using the search box, I found no record of such an article being created at this wiki.</s>
:That's funny. The article you cite was created, by you, at 14:39 on 22 December, before you wrote the above. It's still there now, having been edited almost continuously by you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:29, 23 December 2017 (EST)

<s>Given what I know about [[Atheism and health]] and [[Global atheism and aging populations]], I suspected there was a positive correlation between atheism and cancer. And lo and behold, there is!

By the way, you might find this to be interesting:

According to the American Cancer Society:

"According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 69% of cancer patients say they pray for their health. A recent study published in Cancer, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Cancer Society, suggests a link between religious or spiritual beliefs and better physical health reported among patients with cancer."[https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/study-cancer-patients-with-strong-religious-or-spiritual-beliefs-report-better-health.html]

The Christian apologist Gary Habermas wrote: "Double-blind prayer experiments: where people pray for others with terminal illness. Habermas admitted that most such experiments have not worked, but the three that he knows of that have indeed worked were cases of orthodox-Christians praying for the sick."[https://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-apologist-10-reasons-for-the-fall-of-atheism-106531/]

See: [[Atheism and cancer#Religion/irreligion and cancer treatment|Religion/irreligion and cancer treatment]] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:19, 22 December 2017 (EST)</s>

=== I've got the power! ===
[[File:Freethinkers.jpg|thumbnail|200px|right|<s>Dr. [[Jonathan Sarfati]] is a staff member of [[Creation Ministries International]].</s> ]]
<s>An atheist/agnostic wrote about me: "These people get off on controlling you, on subjecting you to their power... I'm sorry that... mound of misery got to you."

SamHB, I thought Christians believed in free will, that people are free moral agents and that God can help people overcome various temptations? See also: [[Atheism and free will]]</s>
:Actually, we do believe that! Conservapedia addiction is a tough addiction to break, but people have broken even tougher ones. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:29, 23 December 2017 (EST)

<s>"When in reality no one can ever make you feel ANYTHING! That’s right; you heard me. No one can make you cry. No one can make you happy. No one can make you sad. No one can make you feel better. No one can make you feel guilty…but you." - Heather Wilson

Evidently, Heather Wilson has more [[machismo]] than the gentlemen of a certain atheist wiki!

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BRv9wGf5pk I've got the power!]

The truth often hurts. And certain gentlemen can't handle the truth!

Evidently, I am the puppet master and certain atheist gentlemen are my puppets!</s>
[[File:Second dog with a bone.jpg|right|thumbnail|220px|<s>Atheists obsessed with [[Conservapedia]] are like a [[dog]] with a bone. Their dogged persistence in thinking about Conservapedia, discussing Conservapedia and making forecasts about Conservapedia is quite prodigious and intense.</s> ]]
<s>I've got the power.

I've got the power.

Like the crack of the whip, I Snap attack...

Bang the bass, turn up the treble.

Radical mind, day and night all the time.

7:14, wise divine. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
:I read this comment directed to me by a member of SJW atheist wiki: "What have you done but spiel hate...".

:A best selling book declares that SJWs always project. It's so true.

:Well cited and factual encyclopedia articles spieling hate. it such an absurd proposition. The British atheist EJamesW on Conservapedia's atheism related articles: "...they're very detailed, thorough and have lots of quotes and citations." (see: [[Essay: A British atheist on Conservapedia's atheism articles]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:54, 23 December 2017 (EST)</s>

== Re: Online boxing match ==

Merician and I have been engaging in a bit of an online boxing match lately, but we have been playing by [https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Marquis+of+Queensberry+rules Marquess of Queensberry Rules].

See also: [[Talk:Essay: British atheist acknowledges the reasonableness of a User: Conservative editor]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:09, 30 December 2017 (EST)
:Addemdun: See my comments above regarding high mutational loads/left-handedness/socialization, otherness and less likely to engage in conformity (I expanded the [[Atheists and genetic mutations]] article to provide more in-depth analysis/commentary.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:41, 31 December 2017 (EST)

== Your edits ==

When you edited the Billy Graham article, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Texas_elections,_2018&diff=826892431&oldid=826891839 you reverted] my previous edit in addition to making the grammar fix. I didn't notice your fix, and with good reason, considering that your improvement was very small compared to what you reverted. Sorry for the confusion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:21, 21 February 2018 (EST)

==This refers to some stuff in archive #3==
Actually, we did mark your words, in 2017, 2016, 2015, .... Your words were found wanting.

Incidentally, the deceptiveness of Cons's "as I watch it burn" quote was discussed at [http://www.conservapedia.com/User:SamHB#I_would_really_love_to_see_User:Conservative_slowly_and_painfully_burn] on my user page.

Cons would do well to write original material, that the majority of Conservapedians won't feel ashamed of, on topics that the majority of Conservapedians would find worthwhile for this web site.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:35, 27 February 2018 (EST)
::Didn't Conservative suggest the man in the picture was a cowardly unionized firefighter. Most of the firefighters on 9/11 were unionized and they rushed into those buildings knowing fine well that the odds of them coming out alive were slim. Horribly disrespectful.--[[User:RSturmer|RSturmer]] ([[User talk:RSturmer|talk]]) 12:55, 27 February 2018 (EST)

:<s>The global market share of atheist has generally been declining since 1970 (see: [[Global atheism statistics]]). So atheism has burned from 2015-2017. Please don't post counter factual rubbish/contentions on your talk page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])</s>
:::It is wise for firefighters to sometimes let a fire burn out and stop fighting it. First, sometimes a fire progresses to a point where the building cannot be salvaged. Second, water cost money. And finally, there is the safety of the firemen issue. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:42, July 10, 2021 (EDT)

== You're Cool ==

Just Sayin'. [[User:DaveSG|DaveSG]] ([[User talk:DaveSG|talk]]) 01:09, 24 February 2018 (EST)

:Thanks. And I have 19 blocks to show for it. I think the powers that be have come to an understanding that I do not harm or materially dilute what Conservapedia is saying, and that what I say is generally rather thoughtful, so they don't generally harm me these days. Many other, far less thoughtful, users can be found in the permanent block log. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:57, 24 February 2018 (EST)

::Getting blocked 19 times for your misbehavior on this site is nothing to be proud of, and denying that you ''have'' tried to harm this site by repeatedly forcing a liberal viewpoint on it (including under the transparent guise of "essays") and provoking fights with other posters does not make what you've done here over time untrue or any less bad. That you would be praised for your behavior by a troll who has since been blocked says plenty. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 02:58, 25 February 2018 (EST)

:::And incidentally, your recent snide edit summary comment in the Pussy Riot article, combined with your decision to ignore Conservapedia guidelines yet again by edit warring, insistently imposing liberal POV on that and other articles and by provoking yet another fight, just earned you a two-day break. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 23:30, 25 February 2018 (EST)

::::Hi Northwest, you did not give a reason why the essay of SamHB is written from a "liberal point of view". Instead of arguing with him you simply started an edit war. I could not find any liberal tendencies in this essay and therefore there is no comprehensible reason for his block.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] ([[User talk:JoeyJ|talk]]) 08:46, 26 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Again, Assistant SysOps are not allowed by the rules to block longstanding membersto resolve disputes--I agree with JoeyJ's response. That said, edit warring is also unproductive, and making essay versions of CP articles has already been discussed and generally disapproved of. (Yes, I know, I just used a trailing preposition....)
:::::I do see the differences between these two (listed here: https://www.diffchecker.com/49fnIo4C), but in the long run, do they make that much of a difference? Can't we let the reader decide what view to take? I don't trust Putin either, but the fact these people are using obscene activities to convey their message still stands. Perhaps focusing on them and their activities rather than Putin's is the best idea? {{unsigned|DavidB4}}

==Northwest and Pussy Riot==
User Northwest seems to have a spectacular disdain for me. This can be seen in many things he has written in a number of places, most notably here on this talk page, and on the [[Pussy Riot]] article and talk page. A particularly noteworthy case of this can be seen in the "not impressed" section above, where he takes me to task for copying material from another template (something that people do all the time) to accuse me of lacking originality, claiming that all liberals do the same, and comparing me to Marx, Lenin and Goebbels.

He also says, in the "You're Cool" section above, that my having been blocked 19 (now 20) times shows misbehavior. A few things:
*I have been here much longer than Northwest, and most of those blocks were before his time. He knows nothing about the circumstances.
*Other than a few that naturally expired, all of those blocks were later rescinded, either by the blocking party directly, or by being countermanded by an admin.
*One of those blocks was by someone who was later unmasked as a parodist.
*One of those blocks was for a completely bogus accusation of being a sock of AlanS, whom I never knew. (That incident has led me to have no confidence in the process of identifying sock accounts.)
As far as I know, I am respected at least to some extent by virtually everyone that I have had contact with here at Conservapedia. Even someone who had earlier gotten the wrong impressions and blocked me. I have had my work praised by a number of admins, ''including the site owner''. So I do not know why Northwest takes such a strong attitude against me. I have mostly ignored him, but the Pussy Riot issue did not admit a solution other than making an "essay" alternative article.

I agree with DavidB4 that having an alternative "essay" article is not a good idea. I only did that because Northwest's insistence that only "leftists" and "Social Justice Warriors" (SJW's) oppose murderous thug Putin. I simply could not stand for that implication.

In further response to DavidB4, yes, these people use obscene activities (I've seen the youtube videos; some of them are appalling). But the article is almost entirely focused on them and their activities. There is only a small portion about the international protest of Putin regarding their imprisonment and pardon. That is a small, but nevertheless important, part of the article. The protests in support of Pussy Riot were an international phenomenon, and was not limited to leftists and SJW's.

I would have no problem with getting rid of the essay (it was admittedly picayune, and the change was extremely minor) if it were permitted to mention the international protests. We would either have to have the article locked by an admin (this has been done on several other articles that were subject to edit warring) or we would need a clear statement from Northwest that the article reflect a consensus of the Conservapedia community.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:38, 28 February 2018 (EST)

:Ignoring the truth about those protests - that they were staged by leftists (regardless of nationality) with an anti-Christian animus like the band itself has - does you no favors. As for the past blocks against you, regardless of what you think about those blocks, they were justified because you saw fit to violate Conservapedia's guidelines more than once, including imposing a liberal viewpoint on that article and on the Nazi Party article (and your attitude toward the blocks also reflects your attitude toward the rules of the site itself), and ignoring that fact does nothing for you either.

:And about your claim of "being respected at least to some extent by virtually everyone that I have had contact with here at Conservapedia", your attitude toward [[User:Conservative]] and other editors here who don't necessarily agree with your viewpoint here and who counter or refute your claims with counterpoints supported by non-liberal-sourced, reference-backed evidence (which you've shown to get offended by in at least Conservative's case, and has led you to provoke fights against myself and other posters in other cases and to make false claims of conservative media like Breitbart being "fake news" in response to the fact that the liberal media itself purveys fake news) appears to show that that respect is not a two-way street when it isn't convenient for you (as part of that, I've even noticed that in [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia_proven_right&diff=prev&oldid=1404861 this edit] in [[Conservapedia proven right]], most of your sources in that edit come from liberal media websites, specifically NBC, CBS and the BBC - all of which have been discredited due to being exposed as fake news creators, and all of which you put back in the article in response to Andy Schlafly removing them because he noted that the sources were from multiple liberal sites all reporting the same thing and that your claim of "gravitational waves being convincingly detected" was itself implausible and claimed by liberals, whose claims you used via those sources). Those are some of the things you really should keep in mind. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 04:29, 28 February 2018 (EST)
:*My relationship with Cons is far more complex and nuanced, both publicly and privately, than you seem to be aware. If we didn't actually have a cordial relationship beneath those gruff exteriors, he wouldn't post pictures of concertina wire on my talk page. You would do well not to assume that you understand the situation correctly.
:*On the anti-relativity bandwagon? Really? Please do your homework, as outlined in the "People who write about relativity but don't know what they are talking about" section of my user page.
:*The Nazi Party article? You really follow me around, don't you? That stuff was from a year and a half ago. Do you keep similarly detailed dossiers on other people? Or is there something about me that fascinates you?
:*I am actually well aware of the rules of the site, having read them many many times. You don't seem to be.
:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:41, 28 February 2018 (EST)
:::Your comments still don't excuse your behavior on this site, or the fact that you not only continue to manipulatively deny any wrongdoing you've done here (including your use of liberal sources for your science article edits and claiming them as "fact" despite Andy stating otherwise) and shift the blame to everyone else (a hallmark liberal tactic), you even claim to be "well aware of the rules of the site" yet continue to violate them when you see fit. I'm actually more aware of the rules here than you realize (or care to admit), so don't go making assumptions (including about the reversions of edits in which you imposed a liberal POV). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 14:54, 28 February 2018 (EST)
::::Agreed overall with Northwest (especially how SamHB seems to go with CBS and NBC articles when sourcing things and making things more liberal despite this explicitly being a Conservative site, and people like SamHB are pretty much the reason I distrust mods immensely, especially when I've encountered several like him on wikis and forums, and also why I'm exceptionally reluctant to take a mod position, fearing I'll turn out like a monster if I become one.). Though to be fair regarding the bit about Putin, though, I've seen [https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/28051-communism-very-similar-to-christianity-putin-claims a few writers] at ''The New American'' (which is tied to the John Birch Society, which obviously ain't liberal or SJW) as well as Trevor Loudon (who has shown himself to be very anti-Communist and pro-Trump), and even [https://dailycaller.com/2014/03/07/former-spy-chief-claims-putin-regime-is-an-intelligence-agency-dictatorship/ Ion Mihai Pacepa] condemn Putin as well, citing that he's closer to being of the Communists than he is in actually being anti-Communist, so I wouldn't go so far as to say only SJWs and liberals hate Putin. And quite frankly you ask me, the fight between SJWs/Liberals and Putin's more like the feud between Stalin and Trotsky, or Stalin's feuding with Hitler initially (which was more for control of the left than actual ideological differences). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 06:02, 7 February 2020 (EST)
:::::I'm not going to argue further about the Pussy Riot case; Northwest has shown us his worldview, and his view of the use of administrative power to get his way in editorial disputes. And I think Putin has shown his true colors quite clearly.
:::::But I would suggest that, before agreeing with statements to the effect that I largely rely on CBS and NBC, that you do your homework. I haven't gone over a huge amount of my history—most of my writing is about relativity, where I rely on very extensive reading of the scientific literature— but my only relevant edits in the last two months are:
:::::*04:16, 3 February 2020‎ cited blog.stewart.com/ (from the U.S. Census Bureau)
:::::*19:31, 4 February 2020 cited 247wallst.com/
:::::*20:38, 3 December 2019 cited www.legislation.gov.uk/
:::::Are these some kinds of leftist "deep state" blogs?
:::::But feel free to distrust moderators. It's not hard to find evidence supporting that distrust. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:43, 7 February 2020 (EST)
::::::Oh, I see. Northwest was referring above to my 17 Feb 2018 edit to the "Conservapedia Proven Right" article. I gave 13 references, of which 3 were "mainstream media" things—NBC, CBS, and BBC, while the other 10 were scientific web sites. If anyone believes that all 13 of those were fraudulent, they should feel free to say so. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:50, 7 February 2020 (EST)
:::::::LOL. Is www.legislation.gov.uk/ a leftist "deep state" blog? Gosh golly geewhiz.... [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 23:44, 7 February 2020 (EST)
::::::::Please do not bore me. I have no idea what you are talking about, nor do I care. There are quite a number of people here at Conservapedia that I can interact with in a sensible way, and you are not one of them. Why don't you go over to ritionalwaki, where you (as nobs) seem to spar with people in a way that they find worthwhile. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 11:27, 9 February 2020 (EST)
Liberals are obsessed with Russia and Vladimir Putin ever since Trump soundly beat them fair and square in the 2016 election against crooked Hillary. Russia is a country with an economy the size of Italy and it faces a demographic winter due to its sub-replacement level of births.
Both the Catholic Church and Russian Orthodox Church are authoritarian so it is not surprising Russia is authoritarian. If only the Russians were Presbyterians, then Russia would not be so authoritarian! The good news is that Protestantism is growing in Russia (see: [[Growth of Protestantism in Russia]]).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:50, 8 February 2020 (EST)
:#Northwest and I are both Catholic, so I would REALLY appreciate it if you didn't just call us "authoritarians" in an obviously bad manner. Besides, there are plenty of Protestants that can be labelled authoritarian or even totalitarian (and I of course mean the terms in a bad way), like the Puritans (heck, their seminal work, "Sinners at the Hands of an Angry God, depicted God as being far closer to a sadistic psychopath who utterly enjoys throwing people into Hell or even toying with throwing people into Hell, and only spares people on a mere whim, meaning that rendition fails to depict him as neither a loving nor even a just God, let alone both. And don't get me started on Oliver Cromwell, who arguably made the French Revolution the birthplace of totalitarianism possible after executing Charles, and was pretty much the reason why King Henry VIII took a slide into totalitarianism with his trying to have a male heir with his War of the Roses.), the English Episcopal Church (remember, King Henry VIII made that into his bully pulpit specifically to force Christianity to constantly remarry to get a son), and even Lutherans, the last example being the first Protestants in fact, so it's irresponsible to imply that Protestantism isn't authoritarian.
:#To everyone else, considering that half of congress already showed themselves it was under leftist control, that site might actually BE under leftist "deep state" control especially if it's the House of Representatives. Also, I was specifically referring to what Northwest was referring to. If the articles are backed up by places like PJMedia, Townhall, or Breitbart, or American Thinker, or New American, sure, feel free to use them. But when you insist on only those sources, and discounting PJMedia or anything else, then yes, you are trying to liberalize the site, which is unacceptable. And I've had personal experience with really horrible mods, like for example on Serebii.net forums and Bulbagarden forums. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 06:02, 8 February 2020 (EST)
::::About your first point, my initial reaction was ''"What on Earth is Pokeria1 talking about?"'' I never said anything about Catholicism. Then I realized you were bothered by Cons's edit, not mine. And I had ignored Cons's anti-Catholic bigotry when I had read it; I never take that stuff seriously. I do not harbor anti-Catholic bigotry. I know it's a cliché to say this, but some of my best friends are Catholic. And I am aware that Andy, you, Northwest, and many other CP contributors are Catholic.
::::Please let me set your mind at ease on this. Cons frequently writes things with no regard for the effect they will have on people, or, for that matter, what people will think. He does not seem to care what impression it will make on people when he writes incessantly and obsessively about [[Essay:_The_transitional_animal_the_flying_kitty%3F|"flying kitties"]], [[Essay:_Ponies_vs._atheism_-_Ponies_win|the comparative values of ponies and atheists]], [[Atheism_and_diabetes]], [[Atheists_and_physical_attractiveness]], and so on. And he's obsessed with the "Protestant work ethic", which is where a lot of his seeming anti-Catholic bigotry comes in. I recommend that you ignore all that. It's just Cons being Cons. Based on extensive email correspondence, I don't think he is actually an anti-Catholic bigot. He simply doesn't know how to express himself in a civilized manner. Which is too bad, because he's a smart person. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:47, 9 February 2020 (EST)
::::About your second point, my initial reaction was ''"Does he really want me to use a right-wing rag like PJMedia as a source for gravitational waves?"'' But, being open-minded, I looked around. Sure enough, PJMedia has an article [https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/02/13/why-we-need-the-arts-in-the-schools/] about gravitational waves (well, actually about the need for arts in the schools) which cited [https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-mozart-unlocked-a-galactic-secret this article], in the Daily beast, about Einstein and Mozart, and [https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/science/ligo-gravitational-waves-black-holes-einstein.html this article], in the New York Times, about the discovery of gravitational waves. So I have added the latter to the "Conservapedia proven right" item. I'm glad to know that you consider the New York Times to be an acceptable source, even if only indirectly. It's a small world. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:01, 9 February 2020 (EST)

==John McCain==
Rob Smith: I have reverted your additional negative comments about John McCain.
:"I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president," -- Gen. [[Wesley Clark]], June 30, 2008 as a surrogate for the Obama campaign.
:"They want us to forget the insults we've had to endure. Intolerance. They've made us feel marginalized in this country we love so much. John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces," -- 2008 Obama campaign ad.
It's well known that people say negative things about their opponents during election campaigns. And I'm not aware that Mr. McCain ran on a platform of having been a POW in North Vietnam, though I'm sure it got mentioned. My recollection is that he ran mostly on his legislative record. The two comments that I put on my user page were simply pure evil.

Feel free to take the material and put it into some kind of "McCaingate timeline" article, or whatever you want. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:28, 26 May 2018 (EDT)
:My apologies. I thought I'd help you appear to be a fair minded individual rather than standing by Democrat race baiting and hypocrisy. Again, my apologies. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 04:16, 27 May 2018 (EDT)
::Well, I thank you for your offer of help in keeping my talk page free of race baiting and hypocrisy. But I think the amount of race baiting that I do (zero) is just right. I'll be really careful not to engage in race baiting in the future. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 11:40, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

Rob's finding that I engaged in race-baiting in the John McCain tribute on my user page piqued my curiosity. I wondered "What is RobSmith's writing actually like?" I hadn't read any of it in many months, since he has lately been engaging in manic editing sprees that would put [[User:Conservative]] to shame. And the edit comments and article titles indicate that the edits must be rubbish on a par with Cons's writing. Worse than, for example [[Atheists_and_physical_attractiveness]]? Hard to say. I'd have to read that stuff.

So I picked one of Rob's edits at random: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Trump_transition&diff=1425318&oldid=1425317 this one]. He essentially added "... as millions of misogynist white women went to the polls on election day ..." to the Trump transition article. Huh?? In an ''encyclopedia''? One that prides itself on being trustworthy?

That edit was one of 211 edits, over a 30 hour period with just 3 breaks, of less than 5, 4, and 2 hours. That's the sort of thing that Rob considers worth spending his time on? By contrast, Cons made only 10 edits in that same time frame. Cons still has a long way to go, be he's making progress.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:22, 31 May 2018 (EDT)
:USA Today: [https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/09/27/john-mccain-ran-repealing-obamacare-he-broke-his-promise-robert-robb-column/708114001/ John McCain ran on repealing Obamacare. He broke his promise].

:John McCain is a petty, vindictive and unreliable man. He is a war hero though. McCain let his anger at Trump get the best of him (Trump's comment on his military service). I suppose this isn't the first or last time that a person of Irish descent let their anger get the best of them. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:08, 31 May 2018 (EDT)
::Cons, my friend, a couple of points. (You know me well enough to know when I'm reaming you out and when I'm just disagreeing, right? This is the latter.)
::*It's true that McCain's recent vote on healthcare was the opposite of what you, and many others, had hoped for. But people change their position between their campaigns and their final votes all the time. If everyone was required to vote exactly the way they campaigned, they wouldn't bother to hold votes in Congress. On the first day of the session, they would just enact into law whatever people had indicated they would do while they were running for office, no? Then they could all go home. In reality, they hold committee hearings, they hold conferences, they try to reach consensus, they try to persuade their colleagues ("log-rolling", I believe it's called), they rewrite the proposed legislation again and again and again, trying to get it into a form that will pass the voting. What people vote on is often not what the issues were perceived to be when they were campaigning. You really shouldn't call McCain unreliable for this. (By the way, I'm kind of neutral on this issue, and I haven't compared McCain's vote with what the issue was when he was campaigning.) I'm sorry that his vote disappointed you, but these things happen. That's why we have a Congress.
::*Petty and vindictive? Are you suggesting that he voted that way because of personal animosity at President Trump? That his "anger ... got the best of him?" Really? His anger over the "I want people who weren't shot down" comment from a year before is what led to his vote? Can you back up that connection with some statements of his?
::*I know you are not a bigot, but the reference to people of Irish descent was unnecessary. People occasionally let their anger get the best of them all the time. And I doubt that it's related to being Irish. (Though, truth to tell, this isn't the first time I've heard a statement like that.) I don't associate irascibility with being Irish. BTW, I'm not Irish, and I'm pretty sure you aren't either. Just say that he let his anger get the best of him. Though I don't think it did.
::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:14, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
"The so-called Irish temperament is a mixture of flaming ego, hot temper, stubbornness, great personal charm and warmth, and a wit that shines through adversity. An irrepressible buoyancy, a vivacious spirit, a kindliness and tolerance for the common frailties of man and a feeling that 'it is time enough to bid the devil good morning when you meet him' are character traits which Americans have associated with their Irish neighbors for more than a century." - Dr. Carl Wittke, Chair, History Department, Western Reserve University, 1952-1962.[https://lasvegassun.com/news/1997/mar/17/where-i-stand-irish-a-mix-of-ego-stubbornness-grea/][https://immigration.procon.org/view.source.php?sourceID=008659] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:15, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
:OK, you win. I've also been told that the Irish are known for their humor. In any case, well played, sir! [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:32, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
::My sincerest dream for America is that we can once again have a sane and realistic enough public discourse to admit that we can, at least partially, attribute somebody's temper to their Irish heritage. And that, yes, [[Valerie Jarrett]] really does look like that one monkey lady from ''Planet of the Apes''. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 02:51, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
:::You never cease to amaze me. Not well played. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:08, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

'''''USA Today'' (reprinted from The Arizona Republic, opinion piece):'''

"This is one instance in which President Trump’s criticisms of McCain are well-founded. McCain did run, as Trump is drumming, on a strong repeal-and-replace platform. In fact, it was the principal distinction he drew with his Democratic opponent, Ann Kirkpatrick.

McCain now says that Democrats made a mistake in passing Obamacare on a partisan basis, and that Republicans shouldn’t undo it on a similarly partisan basis. But that’s the equivalent of a Brezhnev doctrine on domestic policy. Democrats can enact legislation on a partisan basis. But Republicans can undo it only if Democrats agree.

McCain is undoubtedly correct that bipartisan policy changes are more enduring. But when one side acts unilaterally, it shouldn’t get a veto when the other side attempts to undo it."[https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/09/27/john-mccain-ran-repealing-obamacare-he-broke-his-promise-robert-robb-column/708114001/]

'''IrishCentral.com:'''

"An article on McCain in Prospect Magazine from August 2008 saw writer Anatol Lieven attribute many of Sen. McCain's traits to his heritage. Lieven wrote, "his obstinacy; his tendency towards unshakeable friendship and implacable hatred; his hair-trigger temper; his deep patriotism; his obsession with American honor; and his furious response to any criticism of the US.""[https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/john-and-cindy-mccain-s-irish-roots-what-you-need-to-know]

"In the end, Irish American McCain took revenge for Trump's deadly attack on him last year calling him no hero because he was captured in Vietnam."[https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/irish-american-john-mccain-proves-revenge-is-a-dish-best-eaten-cold]

'''''The New York Times:'''''

''The New York Times'' admits: "It probably didn’t hurt that it was also a measure of cold revenge against Mr. Trump, a man who on the campaign trail in 2015 had mocked Mr. McCain’s ordeal as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. "[https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/us/john-mccains-real-return.html] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:19, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

:Trump's blunder was that he did not know his enemy. In a divided country where U.S. Senate votes can be close, creating a bitter enemy in the U.S. Senate was definitely not smart. Trump should have merely said that military service should be respected, but being a war hero does not give someone a free pass to do whatever they want or make them immune from legitimate criticism. In the 2016 election, Trump may have gotten more votes from veterans had he done that. In addition, perhaps McCain would not have voted against ObamaCare.

:The ''Independent'': "When he arrived for the vote McCain, who could easily have pleaded ill-health and simply stayed out of the whole thing, told assembled reporters to '''“wait for the show”'''.(bolding added for emphasis)".[https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-john-mccain-obamacare-revenge-voted-no-vietnam-war-obama-a7864701.html]

:McCain's vote was a showy vote of revenge. Had he not campaigned so strongly against ObamaCare previously, a more convincing counterargument could be made. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:35, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

::Well played again!! You do your homework on current events and contemporary U.S. politics as diligently as I do my homework on math and physics. I'd '''much''' rather read your writings on current events than on why potholes show that evolution didn't happen. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:42, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
:::You make too many mistakes for ''that'' to be true. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 23:04, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Ireland, Scotland and the USA gave a significantly higher GDP than Britain.[https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html] It helps to have a fighting spirit that drives the British from your land! Don't get the Scotch-Irish or the Americans mad![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:51, 22 June 2018 (EDT)

== Inactivity? ==

Your user page says you will be inactive for 66 days, until late August. Did something change, or did you forget about it? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:51, 15 July 2018 (EDT)

== re: Having an article related to attractiveness and a segment of the human population ==
[[File:Bvdy76.jpg|thumbnail|right|200px|"<s>Of course, we do not deny evolutionism itself."[https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il] - [[Kim Jong-il]], an overweight, unattractive leftist, evolutionist and atheist who died of a heart attack. See also: [[Evolutionists who have had problems with being overweight and/or obese]] and [[Atheism and obesity]]
 
 
Truly knowledgeable individuals in terms of knowledge about biology and science properly regulate a basic function such as eating and also get an adequate amount of exercise!!!]]
[[Carrie Nation]], a radical member of the temperance movement, used to go into taverns and wreak havoc with a hatchet. Since you appear to see no value as far as attractiveness when it comes to people's appearances, have you ever thought of going around beauty parlors and wreaking havoc with a hatchet? You could also lead protests outside of beauty parlors. You could lead a movement to ban beauty contests.

For thousands of years, cultures have valued beauty. Even the Bible comments on [[Sarah]]'s beauty. [[Solomon]]'s [[Song of Songs]] mentions beauty.

And yet, a petulant liberal complains about an article on [[Atheists and physical attractiveness]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:01, 6 September 2018 (EDT)

:By the way, given that the social science data indicates that right-wing individuals are better looking than left of center individuals, is the reason you take umbrage at the article due to jealousy?
:Deny that [[Donald Trump]] is taller and better looking than the godless, leftist and evolutionist [[Kim Jong-un]] and lose all credibility!

:"Of course, we do not deny evolutionism itself."[https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il] - [[Kim Jong-il]], an overweight, unattractive leftist/evolutionist/atheist who died of a heart attack. See also: [[Evolutionists who have had problems with being overweight and/or obese]] and [[Atheism and obesity]]

:Truly knowledgeable individuals, in terms of knowledge about biology and science, properly regulate a basic function such as eating and also get an adequate amount of exercise!!![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:17, 6 September 2018 (EDT)
=== Meet PZ Myers, the overweight and unattractive atheist/evolutionist/leftist ===
[[File:PZ Myers pic.jpg|thumbnail|275px|center|The biologist and evolutionist [[PZ Myers]] in 2006. Myers is also a staunch atheist. See also: [[Atheism and obesity]]
 
 
For further information, please see: [[Essay: PZ Myers embarrasses himself at the Creation Museum|PZ Myers embarrasses himself at the Creation Museum]] and [[Essay: Professor PZ Myers fails his applied biology course|Professor PZ Myers fails his applied biology course]] ]]</s>
{{clear}}

== User: Conservative proven right again! ==

<s>At the 2018 [[American Atheists]] convention, the ex-president of the American Atheist organization [[David Silverman]] declared:
{{Cquote|It is a hard time to be [[Atheist activist|an atheist activist]]. This has affected us. And it has affected our community...

...it has really affected us. We are suffering a level of [[defeatism]] that I have never seen before...

We feel the loss. And we feel like we have lost. We feel like [[Donald Trump and American atheists|we lost the election]]... We see this cascade of attack coming down at us over and over from all different directions and we feel like it's over. I have heard so many times it makes me sick. It makes me sad. It feels like we lost.

The [[Atheism and apathy|apathy that follows]]. It doesn't matter. We can't win anyways. It's useless to fight. This apathy is infecting us. It's hurting us.

And people are reacting to each other now. And so that is [[Atheist factions|causing a division]]. Lots and lots of division in our movement. Hard, bad division... And that has resulted in a splintering and factioning of the movement that I have never seen before and none of us have.

In other words, '''we're in a bad situation and it's getting worse.''' (bolding added for emphasis).<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8VYLMYvImc David Silverman - How the Mighty Get Back Up]</ref>}}

Didn't I tell you that each successive year was going to be the WORST year for atheism? It's coming to pass! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:57, 9 September 2018 (EDT)</s>

== Re: Religious people and Donald Trump ==

So, [https://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/06/30/atheism-is-rising-but/ this article from a liberal-leaning anti-Trump website] (as it makes clear [https://www.the-american-interest.com/2018/05/23/defining-the-american-interest/ in its About Us page]) is your source in your latest anti-Trump attack on your user page (which claims in effect, "religiously observant Christians were least likely to be seduced by Donald Trump’s “post-truth” style politics in the GOP primary")? You do realize that liberal-biased websites like the one you linked, like the rest of the liberal media, are more likely to lie and make baseless and unsourced claims about the targets of their attacks, right? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 04:05, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

:Oh, my! I do seem to attract the attention of junior "assistant sysops". Ordinary contributors have better things to do than attack me, and actual admins do too. In fact, there are a few traits that I've noticed in assistants such as yourself and Vargas "embraces the pseudoscience that leavens science too tightly to be trusted"<ref>https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Parrot#No_Credit_Where_Credit_is_Not_Due</ref> Milan. An example was Vargas bringing me in to a discussion of FredJ with a [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Karajou&diff=1450367&oldid=1450282 comment that actually had nothing to do with me], simply because I had welcomed FredJ and advised him not to use "fact" tags. And, of course, there is your comment above.

:A striking trait that assistants seem to display is the tendency to think that they, and apparently only they, can police the "ideological purity" of the web site. In fact, the admins can control the ideological content of CP; they don't need your help in this regard. Your efforts are plainly on display in the fight over the [[Pussy Riot]] article, in which you seem to accuse me of turning the place into "liberalpedia". Apparently because you believe that anyone who opposes a murderous dictator who imprisons, murders, and poisons dissenters, must be a "leftist", "elitist" or "social justice warrior". I can assure everyone that I have no intention of trying to turn this web site into "liberalpedia".

:Now, to address the most recent claim (just above) that I am citing a "liberal-leaning anti-Trump website", I don't go searching for liberal web sites in order to post references to them here at Conservapedia. The web site that I was citing was taken from footnote number 4 of [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:_Attention_atheists:_You_don%27t_own_the_internet&oldid=1449976 this]. That was put in by Cons. So you'll have to ask him why he was putting in "left-wing" web sites. I figured that, if it's good enough for Cons, it's good enough for Conservapedia, and if he doesn't actually read the articles that he cites, that's his problem.

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:03, 28 September 2018 (EDT)

::Sounds more to me like you're trying to make this more about yourself (indicated by your pretended "offence" at the truth being pointed out to you in your reply) to distract from your history of trying to ideologically reshape Conservapedia to suit your tastes and those of your fellow liberals (as well as the liberal trolls who come here for the sole purpose of vandalizing the site, along with your denial of doing so), particularly regarding the Pussy Riot article (a fight which ''you'' started, by the way). All you're doing here is further proving the points being made in the [[Liberal Style]] article regarding what your type does and how they react (acting "offended", not taking responsibility, etc.) and what they resort to (denials, deflection, condescension, attacking those who catch them, etc. - all of which you've pulled on other editors and admins here before, in case you need reminding again) when caught at their actions. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 20:14, 28 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Well, people do sometimes get accused of talking or writing about themselves, and seeming to make everything about "me, me, me", and using a lot of first-person pronouns in their writing. I've been accused of that myself on occasion, but it doesn't seem to apply in the case of the paragraphs above. You, on the other hand, seem to write about "liberals, liberals, liberals", and accusing anyone who says something you don't agree with of being one. This is most obvious in your claim that anyone who opposes murderous thug Vladimir Putin must be a "leftist", "elitist" or "social justice warrior". And must be trying to change this site into "liberalpedia". Anyone who has been around here for any length of time knows that, in my 10-1/2 years here, I don't do that. Feel free to ask any admin, like Andy or Cons, for example. Or, for that matter, any trustworthy and decent person that's been around for any length of time. They can also tell you that I have repaired a lot of vandalism and other damage, though probably not as much as I could have repaired if I'd been given sysop powers.

:::Now let's go through your paragraph above.

::::Sounds more to me like you're trying to make this more about yourself (indicated by your pretended "offence" at the truth being pointed out to you in your reply)
:::::I'm not offended, just annoyed.
::::to distract from your history of trying to ideologically reshape Conservapedia to suit your tastes
:::::Really? Give an example. Opposing Putin is not ''my'' taste; it is the taste of any decent person.
::::and those of your fellow liberals
:::::Huh?
::::(as well as the liberal trolls who come here for the sole purpose of vandalizing the site,
:::::We are all aware that this site is the frequent target of vandalism. I've done my share of repairing this.
::::along with your denial of doing so),
:::::I don't deny that there are vandals.
::::particularly regarding the Pussy Riot article (a fight which ''you'' started, by the way).
:::::Well, actually, you were the one who started it, with your edit of 08:14, 13 February 2017.
::::All you're doing here is further proving the points being made in the [[Liberal Style]] article
:::::No, that article has nothing to do with me. It's incredibly badly written, by the way.
::::regarding what your type does
:::::My type? What type is that?
::::and how they react (acting "offended", not taking responsibility, etc.)
:::::I fail to take responsibility? Given an example.
::::and what they resort to (denials,
:::::really?
::::deflection,
:::::really?
::::condescension,
:::::really?
::::attacking
:::::really?
::::those who catch them, etc.
:::::You've "caught" me? You realize that everything on this site is public, right?
::::all of which you've pulled on other editors and admins here before,
:::::Really? Give an example.
::::in case you need reminding again) when caught at their actions.
:::::Really? Give an example.

:::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:57, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

::::The rambling wall of text you posted (where you do exactly as I said you'd do on all counts, including deny your repeated past wrongdoing and refuse to take responsibility for it, and even try to push a liberal POV here while you simultaneously deny doing so - all liberal traits) is proof enough - and no, I was ''not'' the one who started that fight, ''you'' did [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Pussy_Riot&diff=1313984&oldid=1307294 by removing factual info from the article on March 2, 2017] (just as you're trying to provoke another fight even now). By even objecting to the Liberal Style article (by claiming it is "badly written" when it is nothing of the kind), all you're doing is further proving the points made by that article.

::::And incidentally, the reason you don't get given sysop powers here is because if that happened, you'd most certainly abuse them by misusing them to force a liberal POV on articles and blocking those you don't agree with here (which would mean just about every conservative-leaning editor here), which would result in even more fights here than you already cause and would only be disruptive to the site - and that's not needed here. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 18:46, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

:::::Your presumption to know the reason I don't have assistant ("sysop") authority is incorrect. I do not want block powers, and I have said so many times over the last 10-1/2 years. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:57, 25 December 2018 (EST)

== Resurrection - The new and improved version of the phantom essay ==

*[[Essay: The thrill of Christian victory and the agony of atheist defeat|The thrill of Christian victory and the agony of atheist defeat]]

I hope you find that the added content further clarifies matters.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:24, 24 December 2018 (EST)

:Well, I'm glad you have apparently decided that this "essay" should become a permanent part of your work. I was worried for a while that you considered it to be some silly "throwaway" thing. It's really one of your most charming things, mostly because of the really nice picture of the two kids. Though it's not clear to me that they are cheering over the victory of Christianity. They might be exulting over having won something in a computer game they are playing. Or maybe cheering over having posted something stupid, perhaps involving cats, or maybe gerbils, on social media. Or maybe they are cheering about having successfully vandalized Conservapedia. :-) You never know.

:But its not possible that your added content "clarifies matters". I'd have to read the article. You see, I don't read your articles. I just look at the pictures. And this was a nice picture.

:Now, I have a bone to pick with you over your flippant use of the word "resurrection". I've never liked the use of that word other than in the context of Jesus. Here you are talking about having undeleted a file on a wiki.
::And they gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.
::And they did a "delete page" operation on him, and parted his garments. And they "changed visibility of 3 revisions" on him.
::But on the third day they "restored his page".

:Not right.

:Be that as it may, have a Merry Christmas.

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:57, 25 December 2018 (EST)

::"The act or fact of bringing someone back to life, or bringing something back into use or existence."- Cambridge Dictionary[https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/resurrection]

::I hope the Queen's English helps clarify things for you.:)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:05, 25 December 2018 (EST)

:::Yes, I know English pretty well, and I did not need to look at your dictionary reference. I know that "resurrect" is often used in a secular sense. But it still sort of bothers me that you use it in a totally flippant and childish article. And I notice that you are continuing to mess around with that article, among other things, vaping/memory-holing 45 versions at a time. Can't you make up your mind? Is there something about those vaped versions that embarrasses you? Jesus was only crucified and resurrected once.

:::And speaking of childish, I speculated above on the possibility that those children "might be exulting over having won something in a computer game they are playing." Well, I was right. The picture is from https://pixabay.com/en/children-win-success-video-game-593313/. They were '''not''' celebrating "The thrill of Christian victory", as your caption says.

:::Do you think Christianity is a video game?

:::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:03, 25 December 2018 (EST)
== re: Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages ==

This page [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages]] at Conservapedia needs to have a section on how to create quotes.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:23, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Thanks for the suggestion. I'm busy just now, but I'll get to it. The usefulness of this was brought to my attention by some recent comments about the various templates or whatever. Something about one of the templates being changed. So I need to do some research into this. Do You by any chance know where that discussion was? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:28, 10 January 2019 (EST)

::I hope you don't mind me cutting in. The hubbub you heard in regard to quote templates was just that I added some documentation to [[:template:Cquote]] but also accidentally added a category outside of the noinclude tags, so all the pages using that template were suddenly in [[:Category:Quotation Templates]]. I have since fixed the issue.
::We do seem to have three different quotation templates, so I have wondered if there is a specific policy or it is more a matter of preference, save the discussion about Cquote. Anyway, I hope this clarifies and saves you some time. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:02, 11 January 2019 (EST)

:::Right. I'm awfully busy these days, but I'll get to it. I have a personal stake in having these quote templates documents, since I use them and typically have to look around for examples of my, and other people's, work to figure out how to proceed. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:47, 17 January 2019 (EST)

I'm ready to go. Please unlock this page. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 11:37, 19 January 2019 (EST)

== I recreated the article and removed the duplicate content ==

I deleted [[User:SamHB/Cons Christian victory Dec+27+2018]] because I recreated the article at: [[Essay: The thrill of Christian victory and the agony of atheist defeat]].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:32, 13 January 2019 (EST)

:OK. I'm going to have to reorganize my "rogues' gallery of things you have vaped"; I have a significant backlog already. You could help by not vaping things, recognizing that '''The Internet is Forever''', and perhaps not writing things you will later be ashamed of. Just sayin' [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:47, 17 January 2019 (EST)
::It is not a matter of being ashamed, it is rather a matter of material being funny vs. non-funny or effective or ineffective.

::One of the reasons why Chess computers can beat chessmasters is because the machines don't have big egos and can pullback from an ineffective chess attack.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff4W7A-j1RM] Computers change course when it is warranted.

::If I decide I don't like some of my material in retrospect, I delete/vape it.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:59, 3 February 2019 (EST)

== Vindication is sweet ==

*[https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/06/crumbling-britain-uk-s-pothole-plague-sign-national-decline Crumbling Britain: the UK’s pothole plague is a sign of national decline], ''New Statesman'', June 13, 2018

Even the British ''New Statesman'' admits that the UK pothole crisis is a sign of national decline.

See also: [[United Kingdom's road repair crisis]]

I hope the ''New Statesman'' article helped clarify things for you.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:34, 13 January 2019 (EST)

:Right. The things you send me in the hopes that they "clarify things" for me rarely have the desired effect, to say the least. But keep trying.

:I may create an article on causation vs. correlation. Including such examples as potholes vs. Darwin's homeland. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:47, 17 January 2019 (EST)

:::[Some material was put in here and then vaped a short time later (before I could catch it), with the edit comment "I think I will be editing less at this wiki". That person then made 30 more edits within a fairly short span of time. People would do well not to make edits that they are going to be ashamed of later.]

==Name-calling -- "making a fool of oneself"==

I was recently accused of name-calling, when I told Cons to stop "[https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#Message_to_SamHB making a fool of himself]". According to [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/make%20a%20fool%20of%20oneself Merriam-Webster], "making a fool of oneself" simply means "behav[ing] in a very foolish or silly way". That's not the same as being a fool—we all do foolish things from time to time. I intended no name-calling, and I apologize to anyone who took my comment as such.

I try to avoid name-calling, such as calling people
*[[Atheism_and_stealing|thieves]], particularly [[Irreligion_and_car_theft|car thieves]]
*[[Prominent,_militant_atheists_and_short_men|short]]
*[[Essay:_Militant_atheism_and_short_man's_syndrome|short]]
*[[Atheists_and_physical_attractiveness|unattractive]]
*[[Essay:_Science_proves_that_atheist_"men"_lack_machismo|lacking in machismo]]
*[[Essay:_Science_proves_that_atheists_can't_jump|unable to jump]]
*[[Atheism_and_gluttony|gluttonous]]
*[[Essay:_Prominent_atheists_weighed_on_the_scales_and_found_wanting|obese]]
*[[Atheism_and_obesity|obese]]
*[[Atheism_and_evolutionary_racism|racist]]
*[[Atheism_and_incest|practicers of incest]]
*[[Atheism_and_necrophilia|necrophiliacs]]
*[[Atheism_and_cannibalism|cannibals]]
*[[Atheism_and_cowardice|cowards]]

and so on. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:44, 2 February 2019 (EST)

:SamHB, a 2016 press release of a University of Minnesota study on atheists reported: "Survey data collected in 2014 shows that, compared to data collected in 2003, Americans have sharpened their negative views of atheists.."[https://cla.umn.edu/news-events/news/atheists-remain-most-disliked-religious-minority-us]

:In addition, according to a study published in the International Journal for The Psychology of Religion: "anti-atheist prejudice is not confined either to dominantly religious countries or to religious individuals, but rather appears to be a robust judgment about atheists."[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/anti-atheist-distrust-deeply-and-culturally-ingrained-study-finds-a6952276.html]

:For more information, please see: [[Views on atheists]] and [[Distrust of atheists]]

::This section is not about atheists; it is about name-calling. It has nothing to do with atheists or atheism.
::As I'm sure you know, I have absolutely no interest in the things you write about atheism. As I'm sure you know, this is because your writings about atheism, and nearly everything else you write, are simply the result of scouring the internet for anything you can find that might support whatever it is you're trying to say. As I'm sure you know, on a planet with 6 billion people expressing 6 billion opinions, you can find just about anything you want on the internet.

:I realize that you take exception to my atheism content, nevertheless it is undeniable that my atheism content gets significant web traffic. For example, my [[atheism and stealing]] article is merely about a month old and already it has over 2,200 page views.

:"All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved." - [[Sun Tzu]]

:In all seriousness, I do plan on changing some of my priorities. There are a number of worthy endeavors that I wish to pursue.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:53, 3 February 2019 (EST)

::Yes, please do that. You probably have more worthy endeavors than vaping your own edits to other people's talk pages. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:26, 3 February 2019 (EST)

== You should face reality and accept there is more than one editor who uses the User: Conservative account ==

SamHB, you are wrong. Most, if not all, the active Conservapedia admins know there is more than one User: Conservative editor. So does the owner of the website. On one or more occasions, I have received an email from one of the fellow admins saying, "Why did you do such and such?" I then explain it was one of the other editors of the User: Conservative account. And then I either reverse that co-editor of the User: Conservative account's decision or I explain his/her (I say his or her to keep the veil of mystery thicker) decision to my fellow admins. By the way, your objections are not cruel, they are just misguided and/or haughty/vain.

I hope this further clarifies matters for you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:23, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

:Just for further clarification: How many edits are done by the most prominent persona of your little posse: 90%? 99%? 99.9%? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:19, 7 April 2019 (EDT)
::Whether it is a little posse or large posse, I will not disclose. I will merely say the decision to have more than one editor use the account involved more than one consideration.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:01, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
:::I'll get to your outlandish claims of being multiple people, and the outlandish "proof" of this that you have been pushing (unsuccessfully) over the years, soon. Be patient. I have this thing called a "life" that sometimes gets in the way of any desire I might have to spend all my time writing stuff at Conservapedia. And a relativity issue has just come up, that needs to be attended to. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:21, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
::::SamHB, a majority of my online work has been related to atheism (or related issues such as [[evolutionism]]). Now that the [[atheist movement]] in the Western World has been burnt to a crisp and has been soundly defeated (see: [[Decline of the atheist movement]] and [[Decline of militant atheism in the West]]), my desire to have a protracted discussion about how many users use the [[User: Conservative]] account has waned. One thing I can say with absolute certainty, there is more than one editor who uses the User: Conservative account.

::::Second, if the owner of Conservapedia decides to bequeath control of Conservapedia in his waning years, unlike Conservapedia editors whose accounts will remain inactive after they meet their Maker, the Conservapedia account I created will live on. "Old soldiers never die, they simply fade away".[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:47, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
SamHB, I enabled other editors to use the User: Conservative account for these reasons: 1) [[Sun Tzu]] is considered by many as one of the greatest strategist/tacticians of all history. He said to be mysterious for various reasons. What could be more mysterious than multiple anonymous editors? 2) After TK passed away, his influence at this website obviously went down (I was never a fan of TK). It occurred to me that if a prominent editor has a "succession plan" in relation to his/her account, it would be a better thing for multiple reasons. 3) The amusement factor. Frankly, it is amusing to see people rail at the User: Conservative and construct armchair psychological analysis of the account when the fact is that the account has multiple editors which makes their foolish strategy of personal attacks rather impotent. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:54, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
:Let it go, man. Your real life identity is well known, and your writing / argumentation style is unmistakable. Hyraxes chewing the cud, etc. No amount of dissembling is going to change this.

:FFIW, though, your general sentence construction has improved considerably over the past few years. There's less repetition and far fewer redundant phrases than there used to be. Good work (seriously). [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 17:14, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
::There is more than one person who uses the User: Conservative account. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:04, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
::::No there isn't. No one believes you. You have been given many opportunities to show that there is more than one person, and you have notgiven a positive response to any of them. Not a single admin (these people might be in a position to know about this) has come forth to support your claim, nor has anyone else. All you do is write the same trash over and over again, sticking in different footnoting styles and such. But it's the same trash, a fact which anyone can see. Whether you use the "Q" in "LGBTQ", or whether you once used a diacritical mark, is irrelevant. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:54, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Fine. Have it your way. ''The real life identity of the primary user of the User:Conservative account is well known, and his writing / argumentation style is unmistakable. Hyraxes chewing the cud, etc. No amount of dissembling is going to change this.''

:::Happy now? [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 19:27, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
JohnZ, key question: Did the same person largely write these articles: [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] and [[Atheism and women]] and [[Homosexuality]]?

Please address both the writing and footnoting styles of the three articles. Also, address any quote box differences. In addition, address any differences in points of view.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:01, 11 April 2019 (EDT)
:Gosh. He didn't reply, either about the writing styles or about the footnoting styles. Perhaps this is because he considers those questions incredibly childish. Perhaps he's got better things to do. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:21, 11 October 2019 (EDT)

===Multiple personalities, part 1===
You have, for years, been claiming that the senior admins here know about your multiple personalities, and accept this behavior. (I know it's been going on for a couple of years; I can't be bothered to look it up just now, but I will if necessary.) I'd like you to prove it.

You recently said, in [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page#A_digression_on_muliple_personality_disorders], that "Most, if not all, the active Conservapedia admins know there is more than one User: Conservative editor. So does the owner of the website." Thats good to hear. If it's true. But I have my doubts. Why don't you have those admins (including Andy) put short posts here assuring all of us that what you say is true. Or, if you or they prefer, tell me so in private email—I happen to have, from time to time, had email conversations with a number of admins and we trust each other. So have them reassure us of their acceptance of this situation.

Another thing would be for you to post or forward any emails from these senior admins, indicating that they know about and accept this. If you (quite understandably) don't want to post those emails here in public, forward them to me at the email that we use for our extensive correspondence: sam4557@gmail.com. You know that I can be trusted with our confidential conversations.

===Multiple personalities, part 2===
You also said, in the same place, "On one or more occasions, I have received an email from one of the fellow admins saying, 'Why did you do such and such?' I then explain it was one of the other editors of the User: Conservative account. And then I either reverse that co-editor of the User: Conservative account's decision or I explain his/her (I say his or her to keep the veil of mystery thicker) decision to my fellow admins." So this is the excuse you hide behind when the other admins overrule your actions? Wouldn't it be more straightforward simply to accept that what you had written was inappropriate? Also, can you post or forward some of the emails in which the other admins take you to task, and the emails in which you explain his/her decision?

===Multiple personalities, part 3===
Another thing you have been doing for years, in support of this multiple personality fantasy, is claiming that it is proved by inconsistent footnoting style in your articles. This, too, is discussed at some length in [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page#A_digression_on_muliple_personality_disorders]. So let me get this straight: You are intentionally using inconsistent footnoting style for the purpose of "proving" that you are multiple people? You are using '''your own writing''' as evidence in this case? Writing that you can, of course manipulate any way you wish, to make any point you wish? And you expect the rest of us to believe that? In the real world that would be called "fabricating evidence". Wouldn't it be more straightforward just to fix the inconsistent styles?

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:28, 13 April 2019 (EDT)
=== From User: Conservative to SamHB: My additional responses to SamHB about more than one editor using the User: Conservative account ===

The other admins at Conservapedia either agree with my decision to expand the editor base of the User: Conservative account or they tolerate it or they are ambivalent (I really haven't deeply queried them about this matter).
::::I don't believe you. I see no evidence that the other admins, or any other people, accept that you have "expanded the editor base" of your account. Just saying it again and again and again and again doesn't make it any more convincing. You have utterly failed to substantiate this claim, a claim you have been making for years. I would think you would be able to come up with some evidence by now. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:40, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
After all is said and done, they see that Andy Schlafly is not making a big stink about it so they are ok with it.
::::Perhaps the reason Andy isn't making a big stink about it is that it doesn't matter how many people you say you are. Perhaps he doesn't care who is behind your keyboard. Perhaps he sees this whole situation as amusing but irrelevant to anything he cares about. Perhaps he doesn't care whether you are being truthful. Perhaps the other admins have a similar view, and just don't care whether you are being truthful.

As far as Andy Schlafly goes, he knows there are more than one editor of the User: Conservative account and he tolerates it.
::::I don't believe you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:40, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
He is not excited about it despite the fact that account could potentially remain active upon my demise. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:39, 13 April 2019 (EDT)
:Here is an excerpt from an email I sent other admins on Jun 30, 2018, 9:02 AM: "Given that another editor of my User: Conservative account unblocked him, I think he was hoping would be unblocked again. That is not going to happen."[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:50, 13 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't know whether to believe you. Saying things like "Given that another editor of my User: Conservative account ..." doesn't convince me of anything. You make such statements all the time, in public on this web site, so it doesn't surprise me that you would make them in private emails also. How about posting (or forwarding to sam4557@gmail.com) the full message, with headers intact so that I can closely examine its authenticity, showing that the recipient acknowledged that your account is actually used by multiple people. Just saying that you said this is no more convincing than saying it directly. Which you do again and again and again and again. I want acknowledgement of this from someone else. By having them post something to that effect on this web site, or send me email to that effect. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:40, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
::SamHB, did you notice that editor of the [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] used the term LGBTQ. Personally, I think the Q is rather redundant so I am not a fan of this term. How often was the term LGBTQ used in other articles created by the User: Conservative account? Of course, this is yet another sign there is more than one editor of the User: Conservative account.

::And then there are the stylistic issues of: the footnoting style differences; the quote box differences; the greater tendency to put footnotes in the middle of sentences; the multiple use of the word gay in the article which is a term I rarely use; the dependent clause "as such" used in the beginning of a sentence which I believe I have never done in any of my writings at Conservapedia and finally the multiple use of the word "régime" in the article/page (I may have used the term "regime" in my articles but I never spelled it "régime").
::::We've been through this before. You write articles in which you deliberately use varying styles, and then you claim that that proves you are multiple people? Really? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:40, 25 April 2019 (EDT)

::SamHB, it's time to face that more than one editor has used the User: Conservative account.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:30, 13 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't believe you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:40, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Have you noticed that User: Karajou, who commonly uses check user, has never disputed the notion that more than one editor has used (or uses) the User: Conservative account?[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:14, 14 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I haven't actually noticed the connection between your multiple-personality fantasy and checkuser. There's a very simple explanation for the fact that none of the people with checkuser rights sees anything amiss. All your edits come from the same person, at the same IP address. Nothing for Karajou to notice or comment on. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:40, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
I listened to a video of a hardcore, no nonsense, high performance coach yesterday. He said not to care about what other people think, but to just move forward and do the right things. That is excellent advice! Sorry to hear that you don't believe that more than one editor uses the User: Conservative account. But frankly, I don't care! I hope this helps clarifies things for you. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:20, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::Well, it clarifies that you are making no attempt to convince people of your multiple personalities. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:54, 29 April 2019 (EDT)

== And accept there is more than one editor who uses the User: SamHB account ==
HEY EVERYBODY! MORE THAN ONE PERSON USES THE SAMHB ACCOUNT! I'M ONE OF THE OTHER PEOPLE. I KNOW YOU'RE SKEPTICAL OF THIS, BUT I HAVE PROOF. WE HAVE DIFFERENT WRITING STYLES. CAN YOU FIGURE IT OUT? BY GEORGE, YOU'VE GOT IT. I WRITE IN ALL CAPS. ISN'T THAT CUTE? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:38, 13 April 2019 (EDT)

== Not any more there isn't ==
I have just changed my password and revoked Samantha's permission to edit under my account. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:39, 13 April 2019 (EDT)

== Announcements concerning the User: Conservative editor team ==

Two announcements:

1. This month saw an expansion of the number of editors in the [[User: Conservative]] editor team.
::Right. It's been raised to te 6th power. Thanks for clarifying that for me. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:54, 29 April 2019 (EDT)

2. One of the editors of User: Conservative team was given an update as far as the password for User: Conservative account as the account has periodic password updates.
::Right. You've been making periodic password changes (always a good idea), and it just now occurred to you to let one (just one?) of your alternate personalities know about it. Thanks for clarifying that for me. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:54, 29 April 2019 (EDT)

By the way, I have finally figured out your steadfast refusal to accept the fact that more than one editor uses the account. Of course, it is jealousy. Deep down you want to be a member of the User: Conservative editor team![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:20, 27 April 2019 (EDT)
::Right. Your actions certainly entertain my "armchair psychological analysis" proclivities. Actually becoming one of your alternate personalities is certainly an intriguing thought. Thanks for clarifying that for me. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:54, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Hang on - Conservative is a bunch of different people? How is it there are a bunch of people who ALL have the same verbal style and have all the same rhetorical tics. Seems unlikely to me. [[User:JohnSelway|JohnSelway]] ([[User talk:JohnSelway|talk]]) 02:50, 30 April 2019 (EDT)

== Number of editors using the User: Conservative account ==

[[File:Apocalypse vasnetsov 4 horsemen.jpg|thumbnail|400px|center|The User: Conservative account was launched around the birth of the [[New Atheism]] movement. The New Atheism movement had four horsemen. Namely, [[Richard Dawkins]], [[Christopher Hitchens]], [[Daniel Dennett]], and [[Sam Harris]]. With the newly minted editor being given the username and password of the User: Conservative account, the User: Conservative account now consists of four individuals. The new editor of the User: Conservative account, however, cannot be a fourth horseman of the User: Conservative account. Why? Because the fourth horse of [[Revelation]] is a pale/ashen horse named Death. And is you many know, the [[atheist movement]] already died before he/she was made an editor (See: [[Decline of the atheist movement]]).]]
{{Clear}}
Well gosh. I've been trying for months (years?) to get you to convince me, or anyone else, that multiple people use your account and make Conservapedia contributions under your name.

When you produce, as "evidence", your claim that various sysops and admins know about this, and I ask you to produce the emails or other validating information, you change the subject. When you repeatedly and obsessively repeat, to me and others, that your writings do not all have identical styles (including footnoting differences, knowledge of what the "Q" in "LGBTQ" means, or different use of diacritical marks), and I point out that anyone can manipulate their own writing style to get that effect, you change the subject.

And now I see that there is a very simple ironclad proof that you are 4 people—an 1887 painting by Viktor Vasnetsov. So there are 4 people, corresponding to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, in your "collective". How could I not have seen that before? It's so simple and straightforward now. Thank you, as usual, for clarifying that for me. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 13:21, 26 May 2019 (EDT)

== A message I left on User: JohnZ's talk page ==

I left the following message on User: JohnZ's talk page:

:"By the way, the User: Conservative account is a mixture of Protestant/Catholic editors (I have asked the Catholic editors to refrain from anti-Protestant posts using the User: Conservative account). A message from one of the User: Conservative Catholic editors to the British atheist JohnZ: Deus vult![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:52, 29 April 2019 (EDT)"

I trust this further clarifies the number of editors using the User: Conservative account.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:29, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
== [[Essay: The unfree city of Boston, Massachusetts and its rat infestation problem|The unfree city of Boston, Massachusetts and its rat infestation problem]] ==

[[File:Rat.jpg|center|thumbnail|205px|[[Boston]], which is the capital and most populous city of the Commonwealth of [[Massachusetts]], is one of the ten most rat infested cities of the world.[http://www.animalplanet.com/wild-animals/3-baltimore-md/]
 
 
As you are probably aware, rat infestation is a sign of societal decay. More orderly societies like [[Switzerland]], which is a beacon of [[young earth creationism]] in [[Europe]], simply don't have significant rat infestation problems.[https://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2013/06/switzerland-beacon-of-european.html]
 
 
It's not too late to leave the [[Essay: Free States Movement|unfree state of Massachusetts]] and move to a more orderly, rat free area that enjoys the blessings of liberty.]]
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=== Swissinfo.ch: Rats save lives in landmine-infested areas ===

*[https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/lifesavers-landmines-explosives-rats-cambodia-deadly/44928164 Swissinfo.ch: Rats save lives in landmine-infested areas]

(Swiss neutrality has insured that Switzerland is not a landmine-infested area needing the assistance of rats)

== SamHB vs. User: Conservative. SamHB badly loses again ==

[[User: Conservative]] wrote: 7-11-2017 Newsweek article: ''Why American Conservatives Love Anti-Gay Putin''. Putin's workouts have more machismo than Obama's too.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcb4rLzXFl0] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6i0Z0hCIzo][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LggcoH1VHo] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:13, 2 August 2019 (EDT)

SamHB wrote: "Well, this sure started a lively discussion! It was gratifying to see so many people come out and do the things that we each do so well. I look forward to seeing the videos of Donald Trump showing off his athletic prowess. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:36, 3 August 2019 (EDT)".

According to liberal/left leaning Wikipedia: "Golf is a club-and-ball sport in which players use various clubs to hit balls into a series of holes on a course in as few strokes as possible."[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Golf&oldid=909235827]

According to ''Golf Digest'': "My main memory of playing golf with Donald Trump—preserved with more care now that he's the president—is that he really went after the ball hard. But the interesting thing is that though Trump's action might have looked a little reckless, it soon became clear that it was quite under control... Trump was 67 when I played with him in 2013 at his course outside Charlotte and in early 2014 at Doral, but he still possessed a significant remnant of big-man athleticism... As a golfer, the 45th president is the real deal."[https://www.golfdigest.com/story/how-good-is-donald-trump-the-golfer]

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_kq84r4lqo VIDEO: ''Golf Digest'': Trump vs. Obama]. According to ''Golf Digest'', Trump is the better golfer! Specifically, ''Golf Digest'' said that Trump was the "best golfer ever to hold the presidency."[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_kq84r4lqo]

I hope this clarifies the issue of whether Trump has more machismo than Obama.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:01, 4 August 2019 (EDT)
:By the way, once ObamaCare disappears, Trump's victory over Obama will be complete![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:03, 4 August 2019 (EDT)

== Best and fastest way to create an ex-homosexual ==

In 1980 a study was published in the ''American Journal of Psychiatry'' and eleven men participated in this study. The study reported that eleven homosexual men became heterosexuals "without explicit treatment and/or long-term psychotherapy" through their participation in a Pentecostal church.[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7435713] The Apostle Paul in a letter to the church of Corinth indicated that Christians were able to overcome being homosexuals through the power of Jesus Christ (I Corinthians 6:9-11). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:29, 4 September 2019 (EDT)

== Atheistic Troll ==

According to my [[User_talk:Wikignome72#Why?|exchange]] with [[User:Conservative]] / [[User:Wikignome72]], he just lost (temporarily) the access to his account ("''The other editor of the account reset the password''" - so there is only one other user). Perhaps an intervention by a concerned friend or relative? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:14, 26 September 2019 (EDT)
:Somewhat the "exchange" mentioned above got erased - perhaps to save valuable memory space. Nevertheless, I just reprint it here:
::{{cquote|Why?
Just why? And please, don't quote Sun Tzu. --AugustO (talk) 18:48, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

Did the creationist Dwight D. Eisenhower tell the German evolutionist Adolf Hitler why he did things or his future plans? Nein!Wikignome72 (talk) 18:56, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
:If you just forgot User:Conservative's password, you probably can ask Andy to reset it. It's quite irritating to have a wiki gnome making substantial edits - like having a user calling himself robot. (BTW: happy 47th birthday! ;-) ) --AugustO (talk) 18:53, 24 September 2019 (EDT)
::There is more than one editor of the User: Conservative account. The other editor of the account reset the password. I will get the new password from that person down the pike. In the meantime, I will make an edit on the User page so there is not an unsightly red username in the recent changes to the wiki page.Wikignome72 (talk) 18:58, 24 September 2019 (EDT)
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--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:35, 26 September 2019 (EDT)

“The whole secret lies in confusing the enemy, so that he cannot fathom our real intent.” - Sun Tzu, ''The Art of War''. Donald Trump (who quoted Sun Tzu on Twitter) and [[User:Conservative]]dom, are both unpredictable. Get used to it! I realize this may be upsetting to a certain editor who has a Germanic love of rules and predictability, but this is going to be the way it is![[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 19:47, 26 September 2019 (EDT)
::OK. I will offer a fuller explanation. I will be working on about 5 or so significantly sized projects soon so I asked the other editor of the account to change the password. Previously, SamHB and I discussed doing a 66 day period of nonediting of CP. SamHB already did his 66 day period. Soon, I will be using these two extensions to my main browser: [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/site-blocker/oohkinmgbkhgcobnipoijafcjgfcogpk Site blocker] and [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stayfocusd/laankejkbhbdhmipfmgcngdelahlfoji Stayfcsd]. I have decided to do the 66 day period of nonediting of CP after I finish about a 12 hour project related to CP.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 03:42, 27 September 2019 (EDT)
:::A few comments:
:::#I have never had any communication with "Wikignome72", on- or off-wiki, on the 66 day topic or any other topic, until just now.
:::#The 66 day business appears to have come from the [https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative/Personal_development_skill_sets_etc#Developing_good_habits_and_breaking_bad_habits Developing_good_habits_and_breaking_bad_habits] section of Cons's user page. It was probably placed there in late 2017, but it's hard to tell, because the page has been repeatedly vaped/burned/rebuilt. I have not read the two referenced articles; they might have wise counsel, though it doesn't appear that they helped the 4 Cons people achieve their goal.
:::#I promised one of the 4 users of the Conservative account (at the time I did not believe his assertion that there are actually 4) that I would respect the confidentiality of emails with that person. [https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:SamHB #Taking_some_of_your_advice https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:SamHB Taking_some_of_your_advice]. Therefore, I will not discuss my communications, with that person, on the subject of the 66 day "challenge".
:::AugustO hypothesizes that, perhaps because of an "intervention", or perhaps because of dissension among the 4 people, some or all of the 4 users have had their password involuntarily reset. Perhaps this was done by Wikignome72, in an apparently successful hijacking of an account. Perhaps the 4 people gave out their password a little too freely, Of course, the Cons people could request that Andy reset the password, which he has apparently not done.

:::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:54, 28 September 2019 (EDT)
::::There have been 3 users of the User: Conservative account. A 4rth person was given the password to the account, but never began editing.

::::Again, I asked another editor of the account to change the password as I want to tackle some upcoming projects and wanted less potential distractions. It was understood between us that I would ask for the new password later. I have nothing more to say about this matter. As far as I am concerned. AugustO is making a tempest in a teapot.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 17:12, 28 September 2019 (EDT)

Sorry. Surprisingly, I'm a member of this site for more than eight years. I apologize if I assumed an unwarranted familiarity with you all: frankly, I was just amused that a long-term user lost his/her/their access... - and I was annoyed when a wiki-gnome acted as an administrator: that's just wrong.

User:Conservative, over the years you have announced countless projects, out-times, booklets, etc. - nothing ever came of it. For me, you are somewhat the "comic relief" of Conservapedia, so, please, do not take our interactions too seriously. I hope that quenches the tempest in the teapot. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:05, 28 September 2019 (EDT)
::AugustO, a few matters: 1) I promised the author of the book/booklet that I would not discuss any details concerning the book/booklet. I am certainly not going to break that promise for the sake of some foolish evolutionists who assert a ridiculous ideology. 2) A far as my projects/operations, the web traffic to my articles speak for themselves. My key articles are receiving thousands and thousands of page views each and every month. Evidently, those projects/operations worked! 3) AugustO, now please feel free to go on with your work on that Bible Project you got involved in (A project you were unqualified for "Dr. Augusto - Professor Emeritus of Greek and Hebrew literature!").09:26, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Is the author George R.R. Martin? We have been awaiting his publication for a long time also (Joking of course).--[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 10:28, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Re: book/booklet: Things happen in people's lives. Projects experience unforeseen difficulties. One thing for certain, the growth of European creationism[https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/creationism-europe] and the growth of evangelical Christianity and Islam in Britain, insures that a bungled 19th century attempt to come up with a viable explanation of the origin of animal/plant life on earth will be extinguished.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 10:53, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::Oh my! I had not intended for this discussion to get sidetracked by the "Question Evolution booklet" issue. But, as long as we are here, and now that the Cons's appear to have left the site, we have a chance to lay this matter to rest once and for all.

:::::The predictions by the Cons's (though I believed at the time that there was only one of them) of some forthcoming "Question Evolution booklet for middle-school students" has been going on for several years. One of my early recollections of it involves some Canadian woman writing it, and sending it out for review by some students, and some other people (perhaps from RW) wanting to see it, and being rebuffed. The earliest reference I can find now is from 2012 (long before Wikignome72 arrived here): [https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive59#Orwellian_changes_of_Conservapedia.27s_history here]. And here it was again in March, 2019: [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/174#Question_Evolution_book_for_middle_school_students here]. And again in April: [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/175#Question_Evolution_book_and_an_evolutionist_pretending_to_be_omniscient here].

:::::All questions were rebuffed, as in the comment "If anyone wants to know about the past, present or future of that project, it is incumbent upon them to determine this." from the March 2019 page. This strikes me as peculiar. When I go to Amazon, for example, looking for a book, it typically tells me how to buy it. Occasionally a book is listed prior to publication, in which case the web site tells when it will come out and how to place a pre-order. Telling the person, in effect, "It's none of your business how to find out about this book" strikes me as not a good way to do business.

::::::'''Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light to all that are in the house. Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.''' -- Matthew 5:15-16

:::::All this has struck me as odd for someone who was so intensely concerned with popularity statistics and page views for their many articles. It has led me (and I suspect others) to wonder whether this whole "Question Evolution booklet" issue was nothing but a childish and narcissistic fantasy on Cons's part. But here's the good news: We can now put this whole issue to rest. Since the Cons's are gone, and you (Wikignome72) seem to be in close contact with at least some of them, could you use your influence to find out from them what was going on, and whether this really was just a fantasy? I'm sure that you, as a responsible person, will be able to unravel all this. That would help us all to achieve closure. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:26, 4 October 2019 (EDT)

::::::[[User_talk:AugustO#Re_User:Conservative_-_a_few_matters|My 2¢]] --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:22, 5 October 2019 (EDT)
:Well, this gets more confusing practically every day. Wikignome72 writes ("I asked another editor of the account [clearly referring to the Conservative account] to change the password ..." '''Another''' editor? This suggests the WGN is one of the editors of that account. But that would be sockpuppetry, which is clearly forbidden, and gets people banned instantly. So we have to assume WGN simply misspoke.

:And now WGN says, as though he is in close communication with the Cons people, that the number of Cons people is only 3, not 4. Perhaps it was hoped there would be 4 horseman of the [[User:Conservative]] account, but that this never occurred. Perhaps that 4th person, who was given the password but apparently never did anything, engaged in a bit of treachery and changed the password. Or perhaps the password change was actually done at the request of WGN, in order to keep him from being distracted while he (WGN) tackled some projects. Though I don't understand why the actions of the Cons folks would distract WGN. And WGN now appears to be tackling the same projects (atheism, atheism, atheism, New Zealand, and atheism), and with the same zeal and intensity, that the Cons's did.

:And it's possible that WGN's failure to simply reset the Cons password was because he had forgotten that he had admin privileges, or perhaps was never aware of this in the first place? Even though his user page has said, since 00:06 on 26 September, that he has them?

:So it's all very confusing. I don't know what the relationship is between WGN and the Cons folks, or the relationship among the Cons folks. But it appears that the number of Cons folks is 3, not 4.

:By the way, I don't normally follow Richard Dawkins, or all the atheist material that the Cons folks, and WGN, write, but today I just happened to look at [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=atheism,atheist,Richard%20Dawkins,agnostic,agnosticism a Google trends page]. And I thought "Mission accomplished!", depending on what the mission is. I can't figure out what the surveys mean. They seem to be treating Richard Dawkins as though he, personally, is a religious stance. But the [http://www.sneps.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/jssr_15101.pdf pre-2043] page certainly suggests that something has been a smashing success!!

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:40, 28 September 2019 (EDT)
::In a private email, I will tell you about Operation Super Fortresses![[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 22:52, 28 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Warning!! I have not promised email confidentiality to anyone other than the person who I believed at the time was the sole owner of the User:Conservative CP account. Any mail that I get that appears (based on, for example, its topicality to the present discussion) to be from Wikignome72, I will assume to be from Wikignome72, and will be subject to being made public. If it comes from one of the email addresses of the Conservative group, I will simply assume that someone in that group gave his email password to Wikignome72, and that the latter is posting it on his own. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:18, 29 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Eisenhower had many good points indeed but it should be understood that he was not a "fighting general" in the mold of Patton, Montgomery or Rommel. He was a superb administrator and took well informed strategic decisions that were presented to him. He had little actual battlefield experience, a great man and leader perhaps but certainly no master tactician.--[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 08:40, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
It's pretty obvious by now that this booklet never existed, and was a fantasy all along. Why the Cons folks thought they were fooling anyone is a mystery. But it doesn't matter any more. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:21, 11 October 2019 (EDT)

=="Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness"—note to some people who lock their own user and talk pages==

It seems that Wikignome72, on his [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:Wikignome72&oldid=1605731 user page], [Vaped by another user, though it's still there.<ref>Deleting another user's page would get one instantly banned at just about any other wiki.</ref>] is using a favorite saying of some of the User:Conservativeism [sic] folks. It makes me wonder: Do Wikignome72 and the various Cons folks know each other? Very careful analysis of their writings seems to suggest some very subtle (perhaps even to the point of formlessness) similarities in their writing styles and choices of topics. The similarities are so subtle that it took me months to notice them.

:I have access to the User: Conservative account again.
::Glad to hear it.
:I still like to use another account once in awhile in order to make the work of those who obsessively follow the User: Conservative more challenging. :)
::Not challenging at all; your antics are utterly transparent. But I'm glad you enjoy it. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 14:01, 22 December 2019 (EST)

:By the way, there were some skeptics that claimed the city of Ninevah never existed. Yet, it most certainly did exist. Feel free to to claim the booklet never existed though! The truth is though that you are not certain if the booklet existed in the past, exists in the present or will exist in the future.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:53, 18 December 2019 (EST)
::My observation was about the Sun Tzu quote. It had nothing to do with [[Nineveh]] or with booklets. By the way, when I find that a wikilink doesn't work, I typically investigate why, such as whether I have misspelled it, rather than just removing the double brackets. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 14:01, 22 December 2019 (EST)
:::Oh, ''now'' I get it! The "booklet" was a reference to the fantasy you've been harping on since at least 2012, and most recently in the section above this one. No one wants to play this "betcha can't figure out what's going through my mind regarding a booklet about evolution" game. No one has ever wanted to play that game, going back at least to 2012. Pretending that people want to play that game, and that you are outsmarting them, is pointless. Why don't you either (1) write something up, even if it's just two sheets of paper stapled together and left in a dentist's waiting room, or perhaps a thing on YouTube, or (2) forget about it and move on with your life.

:::By the way, one of you was going to send me an email describing "Operation Super Fortresses", or whatever it is. I hope that my inability to promise email confidentiality isn't deterring you. It isn't secret, is it? Can't you just post the information here at Conservapedia? You already post a lot of insanely silly things. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:24, 27 December 2019 (EST)

==Well, that was fast!==
You, wikignome72, put up an edit, and then vaped it ONE MINUTE LATER! At 23:38, 11 October 2019‎. Your behavior gets more similar every day to that of our dear departed friends in the Cons account. By the way, now that they are gone, I'll have a few things to say about them soon. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:21, 11 October 2019 (EDT)

== A quick clarification ==

Re: Trump revealing the so-called whistleblower's name

Two points. 1) The whistleblower law in question does not guarantee anonymity. It guarantees job security as far as the prevention of the employee being fired for retaliatory reasons. "Neither the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act of 1998 (ICWPA) nor any related statutes have language guaranteeing anonymity for whistleblowers." - Washington Post.[https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/20/schiffs-claim-that-whistleblower-has-statutory-right-anonymity/] 2) President Trump's call to the Ukraine leader was a perfect call.

I hope this clarifies matters.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:19, 29 December 2019 (EST)
:Yes, it will, as soon as I figure out what a "perfect telephone call" is. It seems that a lot of other people are puzzled by this as well. I'm sure that conundrum will all become clear when all the Trump books (see below) are written. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:21, 27 January 2020 (EST)

== Be polite, please ==

Sam, I found your edit comment on [[Deism]] to be unnecessarily rude. Please be polite to new editors or don't comment at all about them. Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 21:08, 25 January 2020 (EST)
:I apologize for the rudeness. But the illiteracy and overall ineptness of the edit was more than I could bear.
:I think I'm reasonably welcoming and positive to new users, and willing to overlook a lot of bad writing. But this person's writing quality was ''far'' below my lowest standards—I simply couldn't cut anyone that much slack. It was just a bunch or words strung together, with no attempt to integrate it into the rest of the article, which is a high-quality article that a number of good people have contributed to. And he he just stuck it after the references section.
:His departure, whether caused by me or not, will be no loss to this site.
:I fear for this country's educational system.
:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:06, 26 January 2020 (EST)

::Imagine what scholars 100 years from now will think when reading the transcript of Democrat Managers at the Trump Impeachment Trial: ''just a bunch or words strung together, with no attempt to integrate it into the'' facts of the case. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 23:37, 26 January 2020 (EST)
::::History has already started judging Donald Trump. The books about his narcissism, dishonesty, and destructiveness have been coming out for years, and will no doubt continue to come out for many years to come. History's judgment of Richard Nixon is tame in comparison. History's judgment of the Republican "defense attorneys", and its judgment of the behavior of the Senate Republicans, will be extremely harsh, once the truth becomes fully known. And there is no doubt that the truth will come out in the end.
::::Your ability to predict the judgments of history is already known to be appalling. Of course we cam't check the judgments you make here with what will happen many years in the future, but we can check your writings about Communism in the first half of the 20th century against how things actually turned out. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:51, 27 January 2020 (EST)
:::::''History's judgment of the behavior of the Senate Republicans will be extremely harsh once the truth becomes fully known'' -- SamHB
:::::''A conspiracy of infamy so black that, when it is finally exposed, its principals shall be forever deserving of the maledictions of all honest men'' -- Sen. [[Joseph McCarthy]]
:::::Yes indeed, now that the Left has finally fully converted to [[McCarthyism]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 10:07, 28 January 2020 (EST)

:::"I simply couldn't cut anyone that much slack." - SamHB. Couldn't or wouldn't? You must do better!
::::Sorry, but I truly couldn't. I appreciate your faith that I can do better, but what this person wrote is simply far below any level I can stoop to. And I stoop to some pretty low levels here, with evolution denial, relativity denial, complex number denial, global warming denial, and so on. My 3rd grade teacher publicly ridiculed that kind of writing. Now maybe he's only in the 3rd grade. But, if so, he needs parental supervision.

:::"The majesty and grandeur of the English language, it's the greatest possession we have. The noblest thoughts that ever flowed through the hearts of men are contained in its extraordinary, imaginative, and musical mixtures of sounds. And that's what you've set yourself out to conquer Eliza. And conquer it you will." - Professor Henry Higgins, ''My Fair Lady''[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:54, 26 January 2020 (EST)
[[File:256px-Rat meat dishes.jpg|thumbnail|200px|right|Rat meat dish in Yangshuo, Guangxi, China. See also: [[Atheism and rodent eating]] ]]
::::As usual, my friends, I appreciate your erudition and acumen, and your high regard for this beautiful language. Though perhaps not your obsessiveness. Perhaps you can do better. :-) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:51, 27 January 2020 (EST)

I just used the majestic English language to create the article [[Atheism and rodent eating]]. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:04, 27 January 2020 (EST)
:Yes, I saw that. The language is majestic. Your content, not quite so much. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:07, 27 January 2020 (EST)
::If you go to China, avoid eating the live mice.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:09, 27 January 2020 (EST)
:::Uhh, sure. In fact, I don't need to go to China to follow that advice. I don't eat live mice in this country. Nor dead ones, in fact. Not even on those occasions when I go into Boston, where you have indicated above that rodents are plentiful. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:21, 27 January 2020 (EST)
::::What? People are suffering under Trump's full employment economy. Trump has cut millions off of foodstamps. Try making student loan payments on a pizza deliveryman (deliveryperson)'s salary who is about to be replaced by drones and robotics. We are the 99%! Your elitist attitude is appalling to people of color, transsexuals, victims of sex abuse, and white trash who are reduced to eating mice in Trump's America. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 10:19, 28 January 2020 (EST)

== Global warming "denial". More importantly, man-made global warming "denial" ==

re: Global warming "denial". More importantly, man-made global warming "denial"

First, see: [[Global cooling]]

Second, the [[Medieval Warm Period]] caused bumper crops and the prosperity it created caused many of the Europe's biggest cathedrals/churches to be built.

Third, consider these predictions listed in the article [https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-years-of-failed-doomsday-eco-pocalyptic-predictions-the-so-called-experts-are-0-50/ 50 years of failed doomsday, eco-pocalyptic predictions; the so-called ‘experts’ are 0-50]:

1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018

2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020

2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past

1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming

2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter

Sam, the experts really do have a bad track record when it comes to global warming forecasting.

Fourth, read the material below.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:19, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

=== Avoiding common pitfalls of forecasting ===

*[https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/how-to-predict-the-future/588040/ The Peculiar Blindness of Experts], The Atlantic, 2019

*[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/why-experts-are-almost-always-wrong-9997024/ Why Experts are Almost Always Wrong], Smithsonian

*[https://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2014/02/19/why-experts-always-seem-to-get-it-wrong/ Why Experts Always Seem To Get It Wrong] Forbes, 2014

*[https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/why-experts-get-it-wrong/73322/ Why Experts Get It Wrong], ''The Atlantic''

*[https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/opinion/sunday/when-forecasters-get-it-wrong-always.html When Forecasters Get It Wrong: Always], ''New York Times'', 2017

*[https://www.theblaze.com/contributions/be-wary-of-the-experts-predictions-are-usually-wrong Be Wary of the Experts: Predictions Are Usually Wrong], The Blaze, 2016

*[https://nypost.com/2010/06/13/why-experts-are-usually-wrong/ Why experts are usually wrong], NY Post, 2010
=== Academic and highly educated/intelligent people, political elitism and pride/blindsidedness ===

*[https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2019/08/27/academe-should-avoid-politicizing-educational-attainment-opinion?utm_content=buffer09313&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer Academic and Political Elitism]

"Yet the cognitive and behavioral science literature suggests that those who are highly educated, intelligent or rhetorically skilled tend to be significantly less likely than most to revise their beliefs or adjust their positions when confronted with evidence or arguments that contradict their priors. This is because, in virtue of knowing more about the world, or being better at arguing, they are better equipped to punch holes in data or arguments that contradict their prior views or to otherwise make excuses for “sticking to their guns” regardless. And so, they do...

Indeed, research suggests that people with highly refined critical capacities often deploy them to scrutinize others. Hence, those with higher education levels and academic aptitude (college GPA) tend to be less attuned than most to ambiguity, complexity, uncertainty and limitations in their own knowledge -- and less prone to innovative or creative thinking.

That is perhaps because studies show that, compared to the general public, highly educated or intelligent people tend to be more ideological in their thinking, more ideologically rigid and more extreme in their ideological leanings. Highly educated and intelligent people are also more likely to grow obsessed with some moral or political cause. Research suggests that they are more likely to overreact to small shocks, challenges or slights. Other studies have found that, while they are less likely to be prejudiced against others on the basis of things like race, they tend to be more prejudiced than most against those who seem to think differently than they do -- and often look down on those with less education.

In short, many of the biases and distortions to which all people are susceptible seem to be even more pronounced among those who are highly educated or intelligent."[https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2019/08/27/academe-should-avoid-politicizing-educational-attainment-opinion?utm_content=buffer09313&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]
=== P.S. re: predictions ===

Speaking about predicting the future, a number of experts have predicted that Donald J. Trump will be re-elected POTUS in 2020. Let's hope these experts are right. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:05, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

==Des conservateurs américains nient la relativité d'Einstein==

::::''This section, and the next, were recovered from the archive page [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/191 archive 191 of the main talk page]. It's rather stale by now, but I hadn't finished with it; I've been extremely busy over the last couple of months, for which I apologize. If you consider this material to be hopelessly out-of-date, feel free to ignore it. Other people's comments, with their dates and signatures, are intact.''

:Barthélémy, Pierre (April 3, 2013). "American conservatives deny Einstein's relativity." ''Le Monde'' website.

::"'''Plusieurs de ces 48 pseudo-preuves''' n'ont pas de lien direct avec la relativité et elles montrent surtout que ceux qui les ont rassemblées – lesquels semblent vouloir se contenter de la théorie newtonienne de la gravitation – ne comprennent pas grand chose au sujet. Un constat que confirme l'examen de leurs sources. Pour ces 48 contre-exemples, on compte seulement 30 références et parmi ces 30 références, une seule est un article publié dans une revue scientifique à comité de lecture...."

:Google translate:

::'''Several of these 48 pseudo-proofs''' have no direct link with relativity and show above all that those who gathered them - who seem to want to be content with Newtonian theory of gravitation - do not understand much about the subject. A finding that confirms the examination of their sources. For these 48 counterexamples, there are only 30 references and among these 30 references, only one is an article published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal....

:"So, Pierre, you called Conservapedia's Counterexamples to Relativity 'pseudo-proofs' and construed that only one of the list's referenced articles was 'published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal', a state of affairs which is 'confirmed' by your inspections that 'show above all that those who gathered them...do not understand much about the subject.'"

:"That's right."

:"Tell me, how many of Einstein's papers would you construe were peer-reviewed by the journals in which they appeared?"

:"? Just a minute." [goes back inside]

:[ten minutes later, comes out]

:"I'm not supposed to talk to you."

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 09:48, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

:"I'm not supposed to talk to you" - that sounds just like one of the rote replies that those confronted by Canada's Rebel News give in response when questioned about the illegal shenanigans of Justin Trudeau and his Liberals (or any other left-wing provincial party currently in power), their cronies and their liberal media (i.e. CBC, etc.) lapdogs, along with other liberal/leftist public officials (and the criminals they protect), corrupt police officers, Marxist college professors, leftist special interest groups and Communist professional protestors, and for the same exact reasons - like the groups I mentioned for their own reasons, those critical of the counterexamples to relativity, who dismissively call them "pseudo-proof" without giving any explanation why they make that claim, are extremely uncomfortable with the truth getting out and don't want it being exposed to the light of day for fear that their already-shaky and fragile narratives would be ripped to shreds. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 03:40, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
::This and the Jimmy Kimmel one are my favorite satires that I did. Could I have reached peak Milan? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 10:51, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

I'm very puzzled by all this, assuming I correctly understand what VM is trying to say. It looks as though he has found an article in a French journal that disparages the anti-relativity content here at Conservapedia. Assuming that's the point he's making, ''it is not necessary to look in French journals for this sort of material.'' CP's relativity denial is ridiculed all across the internet, including in this country and in English. I surveyed the responses to the [[Counterexamples_to_Relativity]] page a while back, on the occasion of its two millionth page view, [https://www.conservapedia.com/Community_Portal/Archive_1#Two_millionth_page_view_for_the_.22Counterexamples_to_Relativity.22_page here]. My survey of 100 Google hits got 97% making fun of the article.

What followed in VM's edit seems to be a humorous fictional drama. I accept the challenge! Here's my attempt at humorous fiction:
*How much hush money did you pay to Stephanie Clifford, Karen McDougal, Rachel Crooks, Jessica Leeds, Samantha Holvey, and others, to silence them in their accusations of sexual misconduct?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*How much money has gone into your pockets in violation of the emoluments clause of the constitution?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*How many entities have you sued to block release of your tax and financial records?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*How much taxpayer money has been paid to your hotels, resorts, golf courses, and other entities?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*How much did you pay out to settle the fraud class action suit against your real-estate "University"?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*Are you willing to have your feet X-rayed to settle, once and for all, whether you have or had bone spurs?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*When you said, on Feb. 28, 2020, “It’s [coronavirus] going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” what time frame did you have in mind?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*When will you release your tax returns, as you stated in 2016 that you would?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*What is the basis for your claim that you were awarded the title "Man of the Year" in Michigan?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*When you said "This [Covid-19] is going to go away without a vaccine.", what data or expertise informed that statement?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*Do you stand by your Jan 30, 2020 statement: "We think we have it [coronavirus] very well under control"?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*When you said, on March 10, 2020: "It [coronavirus] will go away. Just stay calm; it will go away", what time frame did you have in mind?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*Just what is the crime that you were accusing President Obama of when you said "You know what the crime is. The crime is very obvious to everybody"?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*When you said, on May 26, 2020, that "A lot of people suggest that [Joe Scarborough was responsible for the death of Lori Klausutis]", who were some of those people, and were you aware that she had been in Florida at the time, while Mr. Scarborough was in DC?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*When you said, on April 7, 2011 "I have people [in Hawaii] that actually have been studying it [Obama's birthplace], and they can not believe what they have found." who were these people, and what had they found?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 11:58, 6 August 2020 (EDT)

:If that's supposed to be your idea of "humor", SamHB, no one here (other than maybe you) finds it funny, especially considering that it's nothing more than a thinly-veiled jab at President Trump based on what you get from the liberal media. And next time, sign your post. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 08:11, 6 August 2020 (EDT)

==SamHB from Boston==

::::''I will no longer waste my time replying to arguments of someone who just throws around phrases that he has no understanding of.''
:::::And you don't avoid this practice yourself, as you treat the word "law" as in "physical laws" as if it always meant "generalization" and never "definition". [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 20:29, 26 July 2020 (EDT)
SamHB from Boston is apparently alive and well in hard-hit Massachusetts, his feelings still attached to Einstein's relativity. I wonder why Pierre Barthélémy didn't read SamHB's replies? With sounder arguments, he wouldn't have needed to contort himself into ridiculous positions to try and refute the counterexamples. Then again maybe he read an early draft where Sam said in the equation E=mc2, the "c" stands "constant" not "celerity" and gave up. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 23:31, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
:::I'm pretty sure I never wrote, in any draft anywhere, that "c" in E=mc2 stands for "constant". Can you cite the diff? I generally cite the diff when I am claiming that someone wrote something. Your reputation for accuracy, probity, and honesty would be enhanced if you did that. Now I probably ''did'' write that "c" stands for "constant" in a page on indefinite integration. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::[https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Rebuttal_to_Counterexamples_to_Relativity&diff=1091237&oldid=1077612 This] is the smoking gun for the peculiar claim you made about "constants" that I described. No integration.
:::::OK, thank you for clarifying that for me. The discussion was about whether the speed of light has changed measurably in cosmological time. Speculation on this subject (other than nonsense from creationists) involves calculation of the fine structure constant from spectroscopic examination of stars in deep cosmological time. (See [[C_decay]] for a discussion of this.) While the change, authored by me, does contain the word "constant", it does not relate that to the "c" of E=mc2. The change also contains these words: counterexample, century, causing, conserved, complete, concern, classical, collide, can, calibration, considered, correct, clear, course, correspondence, complex, core, collapse, cited, comes, Conservapedia, claim, and cable. None of them are suggested as the origin for the letter designating the speed of light. In fact, that designation long predates the speculation on whether the speed of light has changed. It very well may have been based on "celerity"; I don't know or care. And thank you for the song lyrics below, or whatever that is. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:36, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

::::::You: The factor "c" appearing in equations of relativity (E=mc^2, the Lorentz factor, etc.) is the calibration constant for space vs. time. While it was perceived as the "speed of light" back in 1905,...
:::::::Thesis: "c" was identified as the "c" in E=mc2.

:::::::Antithesis: "c" "was perceived" as the "speed of light", but is ''not'' the "speed of light".

:::::::Sythesis: the factor "c" "''is'' the calibration constant for space vs. time", not any of those other "c" terms you mentioned.

:::::::Corollary: "c" ''always'' stood for "calibration constant", and the "speed of light" was a misidentification.

:::::::Assumption: "c" never stood for some third identification with a numerical value.

:::::::Conclusion: Since "c" was ''only'' always identified with "calibration constant", therefore "c" must stand for the "calibrition constant", which, naturally, is a type of constant.

::::::The worst part about this misidentification of "c" as an abbreviation for what is a constant, is that the underlying judgments that made you determine this, aren't even correct: there is a good deal of evidence that suggests it's not a constant at all, while remembering a photon <s>neutrino</s> can travel at a rate equal to the [potential] speed of light over long distances, until it [spontaneously] decays
:::::::So now photons can spontaneously disintegrate? That's news to me, and anyone who knows anything about science. What happens to its momentum? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:49, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
::::::::I mean [[vacuum polarization]]. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 19:56, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::Do you even know what those words mean? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 13:27, 26 July 2020 (EDT)
::::::::::Sam, do you remember when I said (you copied it to a little below this comment on your user page) you would do well to learn to use a search engine? I discovered "vacuum polarization" along with the decay of photons in more than two articles on the internet. But then you have a motive for not looking: you already said no expert believed the phenomemon. If you don't like people to comment on your degree of learnèdness (like you said a little below this comment on your user page), you might want to apply your learnèdness more consistently. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 20:38, 26 July 2020 (EDT)
::::::(an event which distinguishes that velocity from that of the calibration "constant", but not light's [typical] velocity over long distances).

::::::*That the Higgs Field is of equal dimensions
::::::::What on Earth does that mean? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:49, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::Oh, so you think when it disappears and then rematerializes it assumes a variety of different physical proportions at each appearance? Does that make any more sense? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 20:26, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
::::::throughout the visible universe, that the Higgs field doesn't change as time passes and that the Higgs Field doesn't expand even though the visible universe is thought to be expanding are all unproven assumptions which, if not true, would cause the "calibration constant" to ''vary''.
:::::::::What on Earth are you taking about? You need to move past your obsession with the Higgs boson. Please read some books about science. :::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 13:27, 26 July 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::I never mentioned the Higgs boson, either as such, or what it does. How does that represent "interest" much less "obsession"? Lol. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 20:43, 26 July 2020 (EDT)

:::::::Why? The physical properties <s>penetrability</s> permittivity of free space and permeability of free space may be determined, and vary, by physical features of the Higgs Field and those properties in turn may determine the value of the calibration "constant".
::::::::The values of the physical constants ε and μ are determined by the Higgs field? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? I recommend that you read some books about science. I especially recommend ''The Large Hadron Collider'', by Don Lincoln (of CERN), as a book targeted at laymen that does a good job of explaining why explaining the Higgs Boson to laymen is so difficult. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:49, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Do you think those kind of histrionics are an attractive quality? Why is there a metric called "relative permittivity" of exactly 1 representing a perfect vacuum and greater relative permittivities for non-vacuums? Does the presence and absence of the Higgs Field have no effect on vacuum of space?
::::::::And now you're bringing up "relative permittivity" (there's also "relative permeability"), that is, one can draw a distinction between ε and ε0, and between μ and μ0. This relates to a well-known trick involving electromagnetic wave propagation through various media. It has nothing to do with the Higgs field. I suggest that you read the "optics" chapter of some undergraduate textbooks on electromagnetism that have such chapters (not all of them do), or some undergraduate textbooks on optics. This "relative permittivity" stuff is just an artifice to simplify calculations of how things like lenses work. It's not fundamental physics, and it has nothing to do with the Higgs field. You're just throwing around some terms that you don't seem to understand. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 13:27, 26 July 2020 (EDT)

::::::*Richard P. Feynman, the father of quantum electrodynamics, a more important field than relativity, said:

::::::::The major contribution of P(A to B) occurs at the conventional speed of light—when (X2 - X1) is equal to (T2 - T1)—where one would expect it all to occur, but there is also an amplitude for light to go faster (or slower) than the conventional speed of light. You found out that in the last lecture that light doesn't go only in straight lines; now you find out that it doesn't go only at the speed of light!

::::::::It may surprise you that there is an amplitude for a photon to go at speeds faster or slower than the conventional speed, ''c''. The amplitudes for these possibilities are very small compared to the contribution from speed ''c''; in fact, they cancel out when light travels over long distances. However, when the distances are short—as in many of the diagrams I will be drawing—these other possibilities become vitally important and must be considered. (1983)

::::::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 02:13, 24 May 2020 (EDT) corr. 17:22, 24 May 2020 (EDT) corr. 11:49, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::Pistol was still smoking/Man lay on the floor. Sam
:::::HB said he had an understanding with the law

::::Your intellectual methods would be well-accredited outwardly to seize the first opportunity to learn to use the search engine.

::::Tangentially, I'd advise you tend to your own reputation to see if the virtues you describe haven't already escaped you in some way, remarkable as it may seem. To the point of this tangent: If the 1919 eclipse fakery didn't sway any physicist to reconsider, it's doubtful they'd change their mind on account of any future adverse exposure. After all, it's majority rule, and sometimes the majority is prejudicial. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 08:55, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::I'd suggest that you tend to your reputation for writing lucid English. Whether Eddington's data show "fakery" is moot—the bending of light in a gravitational field, as predicted by Relativity, and as Eddington was trying to measure, has been verified, to exquisite precision, many many times. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:49, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
::::Yes, and, without prejudice to the existence of Relativity, field theories of gravity of whatever source call for such things as gravity waves. You seem to think its fairly tolerable exercise in Physics to "frame a guilty man" and then go on to expect (insist that?) others to continue to regard those methods with the same esteem. I don't think that needs an extended commentary to indicate room for honest doubt even among the disinterested. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 20:47, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
:::English is a powerful, expressive, beautiful, and noble language. In fact, I believe user:conservative and I were in agreement on this observation in some discussion many months ago.

:::I would suggest that you read some books about science. You might find that, according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, measurements of an operator yield a wave function that has some amount of dispersion. If the quantity being measured is the speed of photons, some results will be slightly higher than "c", and some will be slightly lower. People who understand basic quantum mechanics know this. This, and similar phenomena, do not contradict the behavior of non-quantum physics outside of the quantum realm. You would do well to read the Feynman lecture that you are citing.

:::You might also find that, because neutrinos have mass, their speed is very slightly less that "c". And they don't decay—there is no particle for them to decay into.

:::You might also learn something about the Higgs field, so that you can clearly communicate whatever you are trying to say about it.

:::You might also learn about the "permeability" and "permittivity" of free space, as well known and effectively complementary attributes relating to electromagnetism and [[Maxwell's equations]], and that "penetrability", by contrast, is an obscure term apparently designed to put gravity on the same theoretical footing as electromagnetism. But it doesn't work, because it uses the classical Newtonian formulation of gravity, which hasn't been used for about 100 years. And that "permeability" and "permittivity" were formulated about 100 years before the Higgs field.

:::If you want to write Conservapedia articles about any of these topics, feel free to do so. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:22, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

::My goodness! I'm quite surprised by the reception I got for one tiny change to a number. I guess I'm a rather renowned person around here. I'm flattered, because I often get the idea that I'm not well liked. It's good to know that I have some fans. I'll have more to say on these issues soon, but I've been very busy of late. By the way, I'm not from Boston. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:54, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
:::If facepalms are a sign of esteem, you're 100% correct. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 03:26, 14 May 2020 (EDT)

:::No, SamHB, you're not "renowned" to the extent or for the reasons you think you are, but for you to think that in the first place would indicate narcissism on your part. You're also still causing problems in your replies by inserting some of them in the middle of other people's posts to interrupt the flow of the other posters' messages ([https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1650034&oldid=1650033 seen here]), which is considered poor form and perhaps even a bit rude. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 01:54, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
:I strongly suspect that Einstein was right about relativity for the most part. I have a Christian friend who is a scientist and reasonable man and he told me that Einstein was probably right. After looking at one of my diagrams, my physics high school teacher said I might be a physicist some day, but I will never be an artist. :) So that is the expertise I bring to the table. :)
::Greeting Cons! You say sensible things occasionally. But I'd suggest that you not couple relativity with religion. I'm sure you know lots of Christian friends, and I'd guess that every single one of them who is not a Conservapedia contributor accepts relativity. I also know lots of Christian friends (as well as Jewish, atheist, agnostic, and so on), and I'm sure they all accept relativity. Keep up the good work. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:54, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
:::If you read the [[Irreligion and superstition]] article, it cites a ''Wall Street Journal'' article citing research that shows that evangelical Christians are less likely to believe [[pseudoscience]] and superstition. That is why I mentioned that my scientist friend is a Bible-believing Christian and is reasonable too. Sorry I did not make this more explicit.
::::You don't need to apologize for that; what you said is quite clear, to me at least. I would guess that essentially all of your acquaintances are Christian, scientifically literate, reasonable, and accepting of relativity. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
:::With that being said, ultimately you have to run carefully designed experiments and duplicate results to achieve a high degree of scientific certainty. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:56, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
::::Absolutely right. And the experiments that validate relativity have probably been run millions of times over the last 100 years. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
:I also know that force equals mass times acceleration. I did create a lot of weighty atheism articles with great alacrity so Conservapedia is a force to be reckoned with when it comes to the topic of atheism. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:45, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
:::I do appreciate the humor, and the pun on "alacrity". [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:54, 12 May 2020 (EDT)

::In that case, if I were to edit the Einstein article, you might be a bit surprised by what you found, beside his scientific papers never being peer reviewed by the journals in which they appear. I'm sure many good and decent men believe evolution is still a soundly established scientific theory. And some of them are just goobers who try to insult Conservapedia. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 00:11, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
:::I'm not sure what you mean. Why don't you edit it, and then I'll tell you whether I am surprised.
::::I was talking to Conservative. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 10:36, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

===Relativity Denial? Really? It's still around?===
I had thought that relativity denial had died out here at Conservapedia. Andy Schlafly seems to have lost interest, just as he had earlier lost interest in [[Complex number]] denial, [[Axiom of Choice]] denial, and his strange definition of [[elementary proof]]. Of course, he can speak for himself.

But I had thought that relativity denial had truly died out, and that my job was finished, which is why I haven't been around for a few months. Now I've noticed that occasionally someone other than Andy gets on the relativity denial bandwagon, and I had generally assumed that these were just cases of sycophancy. And I had noticed that such people seem to disappear when asked serious questions about the subject. In fact, this phenomenon was described, quite some time ago, in my [https://www.conservapedia.com/User:SamHB#People_who_write_about_relativity_but_don.27t_know_what_they_are_talking_about] section.

:A great man once said, "he who asserts move prove"! He really meant something different, but with the typo, he gave the logical rule a pleasantly dramatic sense of urgency.

:I'm not going respond to your little jabs, even though you don't grasp the concept of being able to argue both sides of the case or the concept of you and AugustO repeating stale arguments because you think they are game-changers. I won't respond because you serve up sycophancy sandwiches and hidden inside is the assumption that only someone showing personal favoritism to Andy could ''ever'' defend ''any'' of his ideas. Tough luck for you. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 09:18, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

===I can't believe that I need to explain that Einstein's papers on relativity were peer-reviewed===
The ignorance is utterly appalling. It has to be intentional.

But, since some people here seem to think that relativity, not to mention reality, is "fake news", let me spell it out for you.

Einstein's four main papers on relativity:
*''On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies'' (''Zur Elektrodynamik Bewegter körper)
*''Does the Inertia of a Body Depend on its Energy-Content?'' (''Ist die Trägheit eines Körpers von seinem Energieinhalt abhängig?'')
*''On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light'' (''über den einfluß der schwerkraft auf die ausbreitung des lichtes'')
*''The Foundation of the General Theory of Relativity'' (''Die Grundlage der allgemeinen Relativitätstheorie'')
were all published in ''Annalen der Physik'', a renowned scientific journal that's been around for 220 years. Its submissions are peer-reviewed. While it's possible that the peer-review process might not have been as rigorous in 1905 as it is now, that is easily made up for by the fact that these papers have been world-famous for over 100 years, and the Theory of Relativity has been effectively peer-reviewed thousands of times over by thousands of scientists. Wikipedia ariticle on ''Annalen der Physik'' says that its articles are peer-reviewed. For people who don't accept reality, here's the information for people wishing to make submissions, from their web site:
:::SUBMISSION STAGE
:::Only original papers not yet published and not simultaneously submitted for publication elsewhere can be accepted.
:::"When considering submission of an article to Annalen der Physik, read the General Information (see http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/annalen) carefully. In case of any questions, contact the Editor-in-Chief. Submit your paper as simple PDF document via our online submission system (ScholarOne) at http://mc.manuscriptcentral.com/andp. Your submission must be accompanied by a statement that the paper has not been submitted simultaneously to another journal. A covering letter explaining briefly why you believe your article is appropriate for Annalen der Physik will be appreciated. Please also indicate in the cover letter the Editor to whom your paper should be forwarded. Annalen der Physik is a double peer-reviewed journal with a preceding editorial screening."

Anyone wishing to submit Conservapedia's [[Counterexamples to Relativity]] page to ''Annalen der Physik'' is welcome to do so. Let us now how it turns out. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

===Sam: Water? You mean like from the toilet? Sam's equivocations===

''I think it is unseemly to put a reference to toilets in a subheading, so that anyone looking at the table of contents will see it. This has nothing to do with the subject being discused.'' [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:22, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

He never said it, but it's almost if you'd've expected him to, the way he equivocates, which means only using a word's definition in the sense that is convenient to him as a conveyance to different subjects as pleasing as they are irrelevant. A vivid denunciation in a header and the lede, followed by interpretations that could mean almost anything and prove nothing. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 09:45, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

I'm sure SamHB knows ''nothing'' about embarrassment (see below), so he wouldn't understand why a peer reviewer would want to praise a paper of Einstein's, whether he believed it or not. Faking that 1919 paper is like winning the Heisman trophy and then later finding out the player had been taking steroids. To physicists on the "team", overturning the reputation of relativity scientists would have to be prevented at any cost! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 09:54, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

:::Peer review is overrated. Scientific fraud is relatively high now and peer review doesn't seem to be making an appreciable difference in stopping its uptick. And right now, academia is filled with corruption.
::::There is much truth to what you say. There is a lot of dishonesty in the scientific field, as there is in all fields. But Einstein's papers have been informally but effectively "peer reviewed" thousands of times over the last 115 years. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

:::My friend said that GPSs and atomic clocks confirm that Einstein was right because the technology confirms and/or is based on Einstein's work.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:34, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

::::[[Louis Essen]] invented the atomic clock, and he didn't agree. Food for thought. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 03:13, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::People who cite Louis Essen against relativity ought to read his arguments on the subject. I have found them, archived on the "wayback machine", in this 1986 paper:
:::::https://web.archive.org/web/20100619153007/http://wbabin.net/historical/waldron2.pdf
:::::and, of course, this 1988 paper:
:::::https://web.archive.org/web/20100619153007/http://wbabin.net/historical/waldron2.pdf
:::::Many similar discussions from that era may be found in this archive:
:::::https://web.archive.org/web/20100902134629/http://www.wbabin.net/ppreww.htm

Relativity deniers who want to take Essen seriously should read these papers
and distill them down to brief explanations in the Counterexamples to Relativity
page. I'll be watching, knives ready, for your additions. Until then, it is
impossible to take people's reference to Essen seriously. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

:No wonder you think anyone who helps Andy is a sycophant; you can't bear the ''thought'' of ever disputing Einstein, so with your one-sided abilities, you get others to do it for you, so additionally you don't have to admit you sought out their arguments; they were brought to you.

:Me, on the other hand, I often defend Andy's ideas whether they interest me less or more, as examples of the merits of his arguments, not in hopes of swaying his opinions simply because I can defend them, as could many other people if they were honest with themselves. It's none of your business which of Andy's articles I'm interested in, and those in which I have less interest. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 10:15, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::I had no idea. My high school algebra teacher was better than my physics teacher. One of the editors of the User: Conservative account went to a strict private school. I went to some good public schools, but frankly, most private, strict, religious schools are better than public schools in the USA. By strict, I mean they have higher standards including more homework.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:50, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
::::::Cons, I agree. A lot of schools have scandalously low standards, and many religious schools are bucking that trend. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::The more you understand about this 1972 incident, the more embarrassing it gets. It's even worse than the 1919 star-bending fakery that made Einstein famous. The results were predicted from the theory of the nature of gravity as a field and motion path studies, but they used special relativity theory having to do with uniform relative velocity to solve the equations.
:::::What are you referring to? To me, the phrase "1972 incident" refers to the Watergate break-in. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::::I'm not surprised you don't know! Just look how you messed up the heading hierarchy in your attempts to "be cool". [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 10:51, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::The atomic clocks were de-synchronized in the experiment by as much as 300 nanoseconds. But they didn't use all the data, so they could have cherry-picked them. And they use a kind of statistical renormalization on the data, but they never give the details, and the de-synchronization may actually represent a place within the margin of precision that is statistically insignificant.

::::The journal ''Science'' apparently refused to make a retraction, and the journal ''Nature'' definitely wouldn't publish a report of the anomalies, but a Creationist journal did. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 10:22, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

::::The embarrassment continues to this very day. The gravity wave detector project claimed to discover gravity waves, but why did they first leak the results to a non-scientist atheist activist that you profiled who couldn't authenticate it? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 10:29, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::What "embarrassment" are you talking about? To whom was the discovery leaked? Was the leak improper? Does it invalidate the discovery of gravity waves? See [[Gravitational waves]] for our article on the subject, by the way. Is it significant that this person was an atheist? An "activist"? A "non-scientist"? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::::It's a pity that someone like you, from whom we see undeniable glimpses of genius, is so uneducated. You seem as though you know virtually nothing about creationist science. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 10:26, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::::I believe I'm actually fairly well educated, though you are certainly welcome to disagree. And you are right in that I know nothing about "creationist science". There is no such field. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:49, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
::::::::That's peculiar...the six laws of Statics were proven in the Middle Ages before the widespread rise of empirical science centuries later, the only kind of science many recognize, yet few of those same people would say that Statics is not a physical science just because it appeared in the Middle Ages, mainly because it's not attached to any questions of Ultimate Justice. Other medieval sciences are and reason to conclusions with articles of faith, sacred history and theology with hierarchies in authority drawn out as their hypotheses, because there may be no other way of approaching the ultimate truths...yet saying as much isn't good enough; it still won't be allowed as a science; if we were to read into your motives, we might discover it ''needs'' to be maintained as having no existence whatsoever, and at any cost! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 21:41, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::A Google search for the phrase "six laws of Statics" leads only to a CP article on [[Mechanics]] here at CP, with that phrase added by you two days ago. With no explanation of what those six laws are. In any case, the validity of a scientific notion is not affected by whether it was established in the Middle Ages, or whether it relates to "Ultimate Justice".

:::::::::And you might do well to stick to the topic, rather than engaging in general speculation about my education. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 13:27, 26 July 2020 (EDT)
::::::::::See above about your learnèdness (do a browser text search for "learn"). The topic was, you said creation science wasn't a field. If you say you know scientific notions were, or could have been, established in the Middle Ages, why do you think you know creation science isn't a field? Do you think any field is contained under "theological science"?

::::::::::If you're still interested, search ("Six fundamental principles of mechanics" Newton). [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 21:05, 26 July 2020 (EDT)

::::::::::What follows in quotation marks has to do with what led to that topic—answering what you asked about the leak of gravity wave detector results to someone who couldn't authenticate them before I mentioned creation science (which had to do with the fact that other bad relativity-related experimental results being refuted and appearing in a creation science journal rather than larger journals who refused to retract what the author of the refutation disproved) three sections up and five days ago.
:::::::::::"Yes, and, without prejudice to the existence of Relativity, field theories of gravity of whatever source call for such things as gravity waves. You seem to think its fairly tolerable exercise in Physics to 'frame a guilty man' [earlier suspicious discrepancies in gravity wave experiments and published experiments of other relativity topics earlier in history] and then go on to expect (insist that?) others to continue to regard those methods with the same esteem. I don't think that needs an extended commentary to indicate room for honest doubt even among the disinterested. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 20:47, 21 July 2020 (EDT)"
::::::::::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 21:53, 26 July 2020 (EDT)

=== Sam HB, I worked for a company based in Framingham, Massachusetts ===

SamHB, I worked for a company based in Framingham, Massachusetts. Here is a news story for you: [https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/20170630/strange-accent-leads-to-framingham-arrest Strange accent leads to Framingham arrest].
:Thanks for that story. I had expected it to be about the "pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd" accent that people wrongly ascribe to Massachusetts folks. But instead it was about a police officer who was so knowledgeable about Spanish that he picked up on someone not having the Puerto Rican accent that he should have had. By the way, the "pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd" canard is way overblown. Most Bostonians/Cantabrigians don't talk that way, because (a) mass communication (i.e. television) has homogenized the language, and (b) most people other than the elderly came to the area from elsewhere in order to attend college, and are still there. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:48, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

By the way, a message to all people from Boston, Massachusetts: Stop pronouncing the word car wrong!
[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:20, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
:OK, suh. I mean OK sir! [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:48, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

== 66+ day challenge ==

I am taking at least a 73 day sabbatical from editing Conservapedia (possibly longer). And I have asked the other editor who uses my account not to edit Conservapedia for 66 days as well. So the soonest I would edit Conservapedia is November 4, 2020. It will be interesting to see who wins the presidential election, but I am not counting on American politicians to make my life better.

As you may recall, I shared with you this social science study about habit formation/changes:

*[http://jamesclear.com/new-habit Cognitive psychology research: It takes 66 days for the average person to develop a new habit so it is automatic].
*[http://elitedaily.com/life/motivation/need-stop-bad-habit-need-66-days/784244/ Scientists Say It Only Takes 66 Days To Change Your Life, If You're Strong Enough]

I see a lot of foolishness happening in American politics from both aisles of the political aisle and I can only watch so much foolishness without it adversely affecting my disposition.

In addition, there are some excellent things happening right now with me and I want to do my best to capitalize on them.

The Apostle Paul said, "Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified." - The Apostle Paul, 1 Corinthians 9:24-27

I am involved in some very competitive endeavors and there are some nice things happening in my personal life as well. In addition, I made some promises to people and it is always good to be stickler when it comes to keeping one's promises to others.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:56, 23 August 2020 (EDT)

== Dr. Steve Turley. What happened? ==

Dr. [[Steve Turley]] made it seem like on January 6, 2020, Mike Pence would exercise the "Pence Option" which would start the process of getting Donald Trump to be the rightful winner of the 2020 election.

What happened? Was the highly educated Dr. Steve Turley wrong?

:I think that Dr. Steve Turley, being highly educated, knew that Vice President Pence's role in counting the electoral votes was purely ceremonial, and that he had no ability to overturn the certified election results from the states. In any case, I seem to recall that there was an insurrection against the government of the United States of America, that would have hampered any such action. Fortunately, the insurrectionists have been arrested and are awaiting trial. And President Biden's victory is firmly established by all but some crazy people.

:I doubt that Dr. Turley ever said that Vice President Pence would do anything to overthrow the election. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:07, 17 May 2021 (EDT)

"People of low standing are only breath, and people of rank are a lie; In the balances they go up. Together they are lighter than breath." - Psalm 62:9

"This is what the LORD says: “Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind And makes flesh his strength...". - Jeremiah 17:5

"But Jesus, on His part, was not entrusting Himself to them, because He knew all people, and because He did not need anyone to testify about mankind, for He Himself knew what was in mankind." - John 2: 24-25[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:57, 8 January 2021 (EST)

== Dr. Steve Turley is quitting his professor job and going full-time to promote right-wing populism ==

Dr. [[Steve Turley]] is quitting his professor job and going full-time to promote right-wing populism.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gQYYFQqwvU]

The excitement is raging![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:17, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

:Cons: you frequently surprise me with your almost-sensible statements on a number of issues, though this isn't one of them. It makes me wish I had more time to spend discussing things with you. I often go for weeks without noticing things that you have written, like your entry above from 4 months ago.

:Usually the things that are recommended to me here at CP are YouTube videos, spoken in a monotone voice from what appears to be someone's basement, about something incredibly stupid like Young-Earth Creationism. And, in general, I don't give much credence to people who communicate with videos instead of the written word. But maybe I need to accept that times are changing, and that videos are the way even intelligent people sometimes communicate.

:From what I have seen, Dr. Turley might be a decent and intelligent person. I'll have to check him out. When I have time. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:07, 17 May 2021 (EDT)
== Interesting writing program at University of Chicago ==

See:

*[https://news.uchicago.edu/story/how-one-scholar-shaped-writing-generations-students How one UChicago scholar has shaped writing for generations of students]

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFwVf5a3pZM&list=PL3C9AJX5guQ3InvFCHMgoksJSkTUl7Nx8 Writing Beyond the Academy]

Chicago has a rich history in some ways ([[Milton Friedman]], [[Chicago School of Economics]], [[Dwight Moody]], etc.). It's a shame the city is on downward spiral right now (at least in some sections of the city). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:36, July 10, 2021 (EDT)

== Der Spiegel: Finland was the best at handling the coronavirus pandemic. Once again, countries with a Protestant cultural heritage shine very brightly! ==

[[File:Flag of Finland.png|right|100px]]
''Der Spiegel'' indicates that [[Finland]] was the best at handling the coronavirus pandemic based on an index based on excess mortality, restrictions on people's lives and liberty, GDP performance and vaccination coverage.[https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/der_spiegel_finland_best_at_handling_pandemic/12017084]

See also: [[Essay: An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland.|An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland]]

The national flag of Finland has a cross on it which reflects its [[Christian]] heritage. See: [[Protestant cultural legacies]]

I hope this clarifies things further. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:54, July 14, 2021 (EDT)
:It's fascinating to see Scandinavian countries oscillate between atheistic hell-holes and remnants of Protestant cultural heritage! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 16:37, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

==References==
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== Another Conservapedia Insight ==

I'd love to hear your input on the latest insight "''Conservapedia was the first to boldly declare that [[pi]] contains [[pi]], despite [[liberal denial]] of the breadth and power of [[infinity]].''"

OTOH, I totally understand that you don't wish to touch this one.... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 16:34, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

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== Red telephone for Cons ==

Cons: Thank you for dealing with the matter of [[Special:Contributions/Cal_Um]]. I know that you recognize that you are not an expert in relativity and know better than to get into the technical details of these discussions, and I appreciate that. (I wish more people recognized their limitations in this area; you can look up my recent controversies.) But this was a clear case of you recognizing that this guy was a troublemaker, and coming to my aid.

And now I see that there has been another case, with [[Special:Contributions/Bobbillyman69]], taken care of by Andy. Vandals look at the Recent Changes log: "Oh, look! Relativity is on today's dinner menu!" We old-timers know all about that phenomenon.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:21, 7 March 2017 (EST)
:Your welcome. I just happened to see it. I am guessing that for the foreseeable future that you and Andy are going to have to maintain the article as far as keeping it in accordance to compromise you two reached as far as the wording of the article. I don't think I will be of much help in the future. Again, I just happened to see that particular vandal.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:32, 7 March 2017 (EST)

== A liberal is wanted for an online dialogue ==

A liberal is wanted to have a single online dialogue. Please let them know at http://opposing-views.org/ if you are interested. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:15, 29 March 2017 (EDT)
:Here is their contact page: http://opposing-views.org/contact/ [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:25, 29 March 2017 (EDT)

::Well, I'm somewhat flattered, but significantly puzzled, by this. From looking at the web page, it looks like some kind of general liberal/conservative debate site. Currently focused on Obamacare, but with a wider outlook in general. My guess is that they are looking to increase their "contributor staff", particularly liberals, and they came to you. Or, more likely, you discovered them.

::I'm not interested in contributing to such a site. And one thing puzzles me about it. There are '''thousands''' of liberal/conservative discussions/debates/controversies that take place every day. I find myself in such discussions several times per day. So these people want to create yet another one? With nothing noteworthy about it? They will be (already are) totally drowned out by the discussions already going on around the internet. I have about a dozen such web sites already bookmarked.

::Now, about your choice of correspondent: I'm flattered, of course. But, when you needed to find a liberal friend, you came to ''Conservapedia''? Well, perhaps you contacted 97 other liberal acquaintances, besides EJamesW, AlanE, and myself. Actual liberals are a rare and endangered species here.

::About my politics. You put in some question, that you seem to have deleted, asking whether it's really true that I'm a liberal. Well, compared to most people, especially the admins, here at CP, I am way far left of the norm. But relative to the outside world, I am rather middle-of-the-road. (I can't speak for EJamesW or Alan, but I would guess that they are similar.) I actually hold a lot of conservative and "traditional" views, though that doesn't seem to mean much at CP. For example, I am appalled that we have a President who is a serial adulterer and is on his third marriage. And, all through the cold war, I was on the side of freedom, not the side of the murderous Communist thugs who were out to conquer the world. I believe in American exceptionalism, and believed that the United States was a beacon of liberty to the whole world. I was relieved when the Soviet Union collapsed. But now Russia, the descendant of the Soviet Union, is ruled by Vladimir Putin, a descendant of the Communists, one who invades other countries and fairly openly has his political opponents murdered. I am appalled that our current President doesn't have a problem with this.

::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 14:10, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
:::OK. Thanks for letting me know your decision promptly. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:03, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
::::I hope that it is possible to be a social conservative, a fiscal conservative, a political conservative, but still believe in rule of law, quantum mechanics, special relativity, and recent advances in machine learning/artificial intelligence. I never thought of SamHB as being a "liberal." [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 18:39, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
OK. SamHB is less on the left spectrum that I thought. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:11, 2 April 2017 (EDT)
:Doesn't help him though, does it, when some ''petty tyrant of the field'' decides to burn a conversation and give him a day off just because they can. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 00:24, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
::Sigh. Semper idem. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 02:25, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Well, actually, he can't. No, to be precise, he ''can'', but he ''may not''. It's interesting that this happened shortly after I complained about abuse of block power [[Talk:Main_Page#Abuse_of_block_power|here]], and his reply seemed to acknowledge that it was not within his authority to block me—"That's not up to me at this point, but to one of the admins".

:::I suspect that Northwest is probably feeling a bit guity about having violated his position of trust so blatantly by blocking someone over a content dispute. He may not realize that I am well respected by the admins; I've been around a while and they know me well. I've had some run-ins with Ed Poor, and he blocked me a couple of times for my abrasiveness, but we have since made peace. If Northwest looks at my block log, he will see that, until this week, none of my blocks involved "liberal POV". Mostly they were by people who had a rather checkered history of honesty, or for totally bogus claims of sockpuppetry with people I had never heard of.

:::It's ironic that all this happened only 2-1/2 hours after I put the lyrics to ''America'' on my user page, specifically calling out the lines
::::Confirm thy soul in self-control,
::::Thy liberty in law!
:::That was aimed at Donald Trump, who seems to have little self-control, little respect for law, little knowledge of American history and traditions, and little knowledge of, and respect for, the teachings of Jesus. But, as we say in this country: if the shoe fits, wear it.

:::In a few days I may go over to his talk page and try to make peace. To try to convince him that we can make CP a better place if we all work together. And that it would be better not to toss around the words "liberal" and "leftist" with such wild abandon, because it just makes CP look less respectable and trustworthy to do so. And that one doesn't need to be a "leftist" to oppose murderous thug Vladimir Putin.

:::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:38, 13 April 2017 (EDT)

::::To make it short and to the point: You were warned before about your behavior on CP and you didn't want to listen (specifically regarding numbers 9 and 10 - ''especially'' number 10, which you violated several times before - at [[Conservapedia:How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia|How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia]]), so that's how you got the day off. To read how both you and AlanE are talking about this, you both come off sounding like the liberal media pundits who complain about Donald Trump's travel ban against specific Islamic countries and his proposed illegal immigration ban.

::::Your comment "And that it would be better not to toss around the words "liberal" and "leftist" with such wild abandon, because it just makes CP look less respectable and trustworthy to do so" also reflects exactly the type of things liberals say regarding CP (at the [[Liberal Style]] article, under Debate and rhetorical tactics):
:::::"Like to use the phrase 'reflects poorly on the site' when talking about the liberal articles on Conservapedia."
::::And numbers 5 and 6 under Liberalism in the same article:
:::::"Calling the use of the term liberal when used in a derogatory context 'stupid'"
:::::"Will often deny being a liberal, or will claim to be a 'true conservative', while spouting liberal and Democrat talking points and criticizing basic conservative beliefs and principles."
::::And under Personal traits (again in the same article):
:::::"Concealing one's liberal views rather than admitting them"
::::But at day's end, this is still Conservapedia, ''not'' Liberalpedia. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 09:11, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

::I could parody being a liberal, but when pressed to the wall all my inner contradictions and stupidity would come out, which might then just seal the deal. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''CIA v Trump updated score'':CIA 3, Trump 2]] 13:15, 13 April 2017 (EDT)
:::I puzzled by several aspects of this. By "parody being a liberal" do you mean make fun of liberals with over-the-top humor, the way Stephen Colbert used to parody conservatives on his "Colbert Report"? (He shows his politics in a different way in his present show.) Or do you mean "Convincingly pretend to be a liberal, in a way that would trick one into believing that I am sincere?" Any intelligent and well-informed person (which you are) can do that. What do you mean by "my inner contradictions and stupidity would come out"? That you would have a hard time convincingly imitating the stupidity of liberals (liberals and conservatives both have consistency problems) so that your ruse would be unsuccessful? Or that your personal "contradictions and stupidity" would make you unable to do the job? And what do you mean by "seal the deal"? Succeed at your imitation? Or let others succeed at unmasking your attempts? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:51, 13 April 2017 (EDT)
::::You covered all bases quite well. Parodying a liberal is not hard. If you come to a juncture where you're at a loss, and you have to think "''What would be the appropriate liberal response?''", you just say something nonsensical and contradictory, and it would pass. That's what I mean by seal the deal - there would be no question I'm a liberal speaking from the heart. [[Poe's Law]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''CIA v Trump updated score'':CIA 3, Trump 2]] 19:07, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

== Vaping ==

(No, I'm not referring to E-cigarettes.) Cons, please do not vape other people's talk pages, OK? I know that what you recently vaped here was insignificant, but please don't do it. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:14, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

== 9th anniversary ==

Congratulations on your 9th anniversary here! Despite disagreements, edit wars, and 19 blocks, you are still around! I know a number of people don't agree with you on various topics, and even I disagree on some things you believe (most notably, macroevolution) but I appreciate that you have "stuck it out" and are still trying to make CP better. I also appreciate your insights on matters which have been influenced by things long before I was here. You were also the only one when I first joined who seemed to be making an effort to help me learn the ropes and how things work here (an effort I am trying to pass on to others now). Thanks for your efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:49, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

== Re: Claims of familiarity with CP guidelines ==

Since you claim to be familiar with, and "well versed in", Conservapedia's guidelines (per your edit on [[User talk:1990'sguy|1990'sguy's talk page]]), here's a refresher from the [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#Member Accounts|Member Accounts]] section:

* Conservapedia is a politically conservative, Christian encyclopedia project. We welcome opposing views, but are not interested in users who come here only to change articles to their ideology (''as you've insisted on doing with selected articles here as of late to change them to fit liberal POV, despite your claims otherwise - ed.''), or disrupt by constantly arguing on the article talk pages that we are "wrong" (''likewise - ed.''). Trolling comments, incivility and personal attacks can be removed from discussion pages.
* We are not a debate forum, but a project. If you contribute, where you can, by adding substantive content, abiding by our Guidelines, we welcome you. If not, remember it is a big Internet, and you should go where you can support the goals of that project.

[[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 18:37, 28 April 2017 (EDT)
:Go write up a Popeye episode, son. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 18:43, 28 April 2017 (EDT)
::This applies to you too, JohnZ, just so you know. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 19:13, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

== re: Liberal article ==

I made some revisions to the [[liberal]] article to make it more accurate. And made some talk page edits indicating my reasons for the changes. For example, liberalism is not communism or Nazism. [[Attila the Hun]] was not a liberal, etc.

If you want to review the article periodically to make sure my changes stick, it would be appreciated.

I will pay you the courtesy of not having all or most liberals equated with Attila the Hun, Adolf Hitler, Mao or Stalin. I would ask you, however, to have the decency to not publicize private emails.

By the way, I have been to Framingham, MA and got along with all the people I met. The people I met in Framingham did not give me Nazi salutes. And I did not see any Nazi flags on front lawns. Nor did I see any statues of Lenin while on Massachusetts thruways or while in Framingham. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:45, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:No Nazi flags? No Lenin statues? Not one? I guess Massachusetts is going soft. It must be all the political correctness or something. :-) I haven't seen any of that stuff in my trips to upstate New York either. Or in my trips to Iowa, Arizona, Arkansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Virginia, Alabama, Tennessee, or Missouri. What's the world coming to?

:Seriously, I have noticed your recent attempts to inject some reasonableness into certain articles, and I appreciate that. (I'm serious this time!) In fact, I have recently noticed some rather decent articles here. But plenty of awful ones, like "liberal" and its ilk. I'm trying to improve the good ones, while ignoring the awful ones. But you need to know that my ability to "make changes stick" is very limited, though I'll try. See my block log, the history of the [[Pussy Riot]] article, and the last half of the "A liberal is wanted for an online dialogue" section above (as well as a paragraph below), to see what I'm talking about. So someone might undo anything I do (and block me in violation of policy). But I'll try.

:I don't consider "not having all or most liberals equated with Attila the Hun, Adolf Hitler, Mao or Stalin" to be a courtesy to me personally. It's a courtesy to Conservapedia. But I appreciate it in any case.

:About the email: Perhaps I should have redacted the email address, but I considered that the name was so nondescript that it must have been a garbage gmail account that you created. If you have gotten spam on that account, I apologize. However, I think the general content of emails can't be considered private. (Just ask Hillary Clinton!) And most of the message was just hawking your own pages right here at CP, along with one link to a vimeo clip to an old Star Trek thing.

:Peace, my non-Nazi non-Communist friend, [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 13:45, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:::Follow-up: I have redacted the email more thoroughly; I assume from Cons's vaping that that is what he wanted me to to. He can't possibly have wanted me to conceal the ''fact that he sent it'', since he openly announced it in advance on this page.

::But if you do anything that goes against Conservapedia policy (as you've done repeatedly over time, and even recently), you ''will'' stand a chance of being blocked again (and despite what you otherwise think, blocking someone for violating CP policy is ''not'' "illegal"), so don't go thinking you can game the system just so you can get your way and get liberal POV imposed on this site. All you're doing every time you bring this up is that you're showing you prefer to ignore the rules of this site (and your history here, once again, proves that). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 23:43, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:::SamHB, I look at your restoration and its skepticism that more than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account.

:::The edit log shows that the User: Conservative account created the [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] article. The edit log shows that the User: Conservative account created the [[Gay bowel syndrome]] and [[Homosexuality and Parasites]] articles. No intelligent person believes that these articles are the work of one person. The footnoting style is radically different for the [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] article and frankly the article lacked machismo as soon as it used the alphabet soup of LGBTQ. Frankly, I don't even know what all those letters stand for. Why is the Q even used? It seems redundant.

:::You still not reconciled this blaring incongruently which was even noticed by a non-fan of the User: Conservative account. There must be some reason why you are not coming up with a reasonable explanation of the incongruity? What is it?

:::By the way, the explanation is so simple. More than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:45, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

== re: "I'm going to organize this in broad categories. That's the right thing to do for articles about scientists" ==

Bill Nye is an engineer. He is not a scientist. Stop engaging in credential inflation! I realize that evolutionism is exceedingly weak. But try to not engage in desperation tactics and make efforts to control yourself. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:46, 1 June 2017 (EDT)
:Well, it's the right thing for articles about science popularizers too.

:Sorry, I should have said "science popularizers". The fact that he's an engineer is irrelevant.

:I think the suggestion that I need to make efforts to control myself is a little harsh for such an infraction as calling him a scientist instead of a science popularizer. It doesn't strike me as anywhere near as great a failure of self-control as spending years pretending to be multiple people, or spending years making tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands? millions?) of edits, deletions, renamings, cross-links, and ineffably pointless changes to image sizes, mostly for an utterly obsessive corpus of foolishness.

:But we're still friends. I enjoy sparring with you. And I've got more stuff to do in reply to your previous edit on this page. But first, I need to change an image size.

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:18, 1 June 2017 (EDT)

== talk page second archive ==

You user talk page is insanely long. I think you are overdue for [[User talk:SamHB/archive 2]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:03, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

:You're right. Done. Thank you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:12, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
== Nice job ==
I read your user page archives - really entertaining, and they made me realized how wretched I was to write articles for Cons, even if they did get on the Main Page. Please, don't stop believing in relativity. Hold onto that feeling.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:34, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

== re: well-intentioned and level-headed people ==

You wrote: "You need to know that user "Conservative" ''is not in any way typical of the people we have here''. There are a lot of well-intentioned and level-headed people here, and you could have been a member of that community."

:First of all, User: Conservative is not merely one editor. So your petty personal attacks are lamer than you think. It is readily apparent that User: Conservative is more than editor. For example, the glaring topical/footnoting/writing style differences in the [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] article and some of the other homosexuality articles by the User: Conservative account. You have never explained these glaring differences.

:Secondly, you have yet to find a single factual error in any of the articles written by the User:Conservative account. You merely dislike some of the articles because they conflict with some of your errant/miscreant, liberal notions. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:29, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Actually, I've been meaning to rip you to shreds, yet again, over that weird fantasy of yours. But there's usually something more urgent to do. Especially now, with the "abcqwe" issue. Trying to keep him on board is much more important than yet another go-around with you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:30, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::Your name is <name redacted>, everybody who has ever posted on this site knows your name is <name redacted>, people who died 100 years ago know your name is <name redacted>. People who will not be born until the 22nd century knows your name is <name redacted>. Insult your own intelligence(not hard to do I know) but the rest of us are not falling for it.
:::Actually, that's not my name, assuming that you were referring to me (SamHB) when you wrote "you" above. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else.
:::In any case, it is considered poor form to "out" or "dox" someone on a wiki. And the identity and personal info about the person you are perhaps referring to are well known. I suspect that you are about to be blocked, if you haven't already been blocked as I write this. And what you wrote above will likely be vaped, though I will restore it (with the name redacted) if that happens. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:30, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::::
::::SanHV, why is the footnoting for [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] different from many other [[User: Conservative]] articles?

:::: I found out this month what the Q is in the acronym LGBTQ stands for. Why does the article [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] use the term LGBTQ, but the other homosexuality articles created by the User: Conservtive account not use that term?
:::::Probably because you are a klutz with your keyboard, as indicated by your spelling of "Conservtive". It stands for "queer", by the way.[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Is the term LGBTQ one that I would likely use? For example, how often does the word "gay" appear in Conservapedia's homosexuality articles?
:::::I wouldn't know. I'd have to read them. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Is the term "persecution of homosexuals" one that I would likely use? Why was there an internal battle within the User: Conservative account about the title of the article [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]]? For example, why was the title of that article changed/moved?
:::::Because you like to do that kind of thing, as anyone who looks at your contributions knows. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Liberals dominate the field of psychology. Do liberals excel in the field of psychology in order to be able to discern that more than one editor has used the User:Conservative account?
:::::I doubt it. I doubt that, by and large, they give a hoot about the size of your "collective". [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
::::If liberals do excel in the discipline of psychology, why do so many psychology experiments and journal articles have an inability to be replicated? See: [http://www.nature.com/news/over-half-of-psychology-studies-fail-reproducibility-test-1.18248 Over half of psychology studies fail reproducibility test], ''Nature'', August 27, 2015

::::RobS, 1990sguy and Karajou have been told privately that more than one editor has used the User: Conservative account. There was an attempt to make one of these editors an editor of the User: Conservative account, but Aschlafly would not permit it.
:::::Can you send me the email in which Andy said that? And, by "one of these editors" do you mean one of RobS, 1990sguy and Karajou? All you would have to do is privately send them your CP password. Andy would not know. In fact, if you mail me your password, at sam4557@gmail.com, I could become a member of your collective! The "sockpuppet" rule prohibits one person from having multiple CP accounts, but there's no rule about giving out your password. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Lastly, you couldn't rip a wet paper bad to shreds, let alone rip of member of the User: Conservative account to shreds. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:04, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
By the way, a 2006 international survey reported that 30% of the Swiss reject evolution which is one of the highest national percentages in Europe.[http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Home/Archive/Swiss_drag_knuckles_accepting_evolution.html?cid=70292] [[Switzerland]] has one of the very highest standards of living in Europe.

Denmark has one of the highest rates of belief in evolution in Europe (See: Jon D. Miller; Eugenie C. Scott; Shinji Okamoto (11 August 2006). "Public Acceptance of Evolution". Science. 313 (5788): 765–766.).

The Swiss are known for yodeling.
::I'm extremely fascinated, delighted, and enchanted to hear that. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
The Danes are known for bestiality! A 2015 ''Jerusalem Post'' article indicates "[[Copenhagen]] has for long been the bestiality capital of Europe and has attracted many tourists mainly visiting to have sex with animals. Legislation against this practice was only enacted this year."[http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Suggestions-for-the-anti-Semitic-slurs-list-434293] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:28, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:There are some worthwhile projects that I want to accomplish. I am not going to continue this latest battle between us. It doesn't make sense to respond to every slight someone directs your way. I am moving on. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:33, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
::I regret using the word miscreant above. It wasn't necessary.
:::No hard feelings. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:40, 6 June 2017 (EDT)

::I also agree with you that it would have been nice to retain the editor who recently departed. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
::::What??? To whom were you referring??? The one who was "showboating" and annoying Karajou and VargasMilan2 [sic]? I assumed you thought it was abcqwe, and I could find no evidence that he communicated with Karajou or VargasMilan. Who was it? Seriously, I'm curious. I'd like to know whether it was someone that I also disliked. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:40, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I just discovered that someone blocked [[User:Abcqwe]]. He made a number of posts to talk pages that irritated people. It seems as if he was spoiling for a fight and/or trying to gain attention. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:13, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::You just discovered that now?????? Really? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:40, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
::::For the record, he blocked himself indefinitely, but I changed the block to five years because indefinite blocks are problematic. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:23, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::OK. He was a provocateur at the end. No great loss. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::But, was it necessary to delete his user and talk pages? Or is this just CP policy? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:24, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::No, it is not policy. Please restore them. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:40, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
In terms of webmaster best practices, deleting low value pages is a beneficial thing to do. In 2017, Conservapedia is going to delete abandoned user pages and their respective talk pages. Andy has given the green light about this matter and he is not changing his mind about it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:00, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
::It is a "best practice" only because you have the technical permission, as an administrator, to do whatever you please. You can delete whatever you want, vape whatever you want, and block whomever you want, at any time. You even burned down ''this'' page on 10 January, 2015. I was never under the illusion that you would honor my request to restore his pages. And I can't help noticing that, shortly after you explained this "best practice", you deleted a few pages just to make the point. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:59, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
:Re: annoying Karajou and VargasMilan2 - see: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Karajou&diff=1351118&oldid=1350637 He sometimes signed his posts "Nate". As far as VargaMilan2, see conversation I moved to the community portal. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:23, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
::I think [[User:Abcqwe]] began to be more of a provocateur after I posted this article [[American liberalism and 21st century political losses]]. Given that he is an American liberal, it probably triggered his backlash/bitterness/resentment.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:33, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I don't think Abcqwe annoyed Karajou or VargasMilan while he actually edited. They wrote what they did in response to the news that he was leaving. On top of that, it seems that Abcqwe uses a lot of sarcasm and sarcastic humor, and I think his "confession" displayed some of it. He also seems to have overexaggerated. Personally, I think he should have been more frank in his post, and I don't think his sense of humor helped at all. Many people probably got the impression that he was a parodist/liberal, while I think it is more believable that he was a more moderate person who originally joined in good faith. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:06, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I seem to be the invisible man regarding Abcque. I was the one who tried to keep a lid on his vandalism. Did I need help? Yes. Did I ask for it?Yes. Did I get any from the lads wallowing in their anti liberal groupthinkfest, not giving a stuff for truth? No I did not. Do I still think that CP should be vehicle for information for homesckoolers? Yes. Is it ? No. Do I give a damn? Strangely, yes I do.
::::Sorry Sam. I have tried other forums to change an article title to allow me to correct the article. I want [[Joseph Belloc]] changed to [[Hilaire Belloc]]. Its simple really but the lads are too busy doing what they like doing. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 03:08, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

== Border fence for the unfree state of Massachusetts ==

[[File:Prison.jpg|thumbnail|200px|center|Border fence for the unfree state of [[Massachusetts]] designed to keep people from leaving the state. See also: [[Essay: Free States Movement|Free States Movement]] ]]
Actually, I haven't seen any fences like that, except at MCI<ref>Massachusetts Correctional Institution</ref> Concord, where I go to visit my cousin (you know, the one who is a member of your collective; they let people edit Conservapedia from the slammer), who is serving a 5-year stretch for not being a [[Essay: Professor PZ Myers fails his applied biology course#Addendum|"svelte Bible believing young earth creationist like Chuck Norris"]].
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==Joking about TAR==

Question: Will TAR return? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:24, 8 June 2017 (EDT)
:I will consider it ''only'' if he agrees to completely stop link-spamming and adding categories. If not, I or someone else will be forced to block him. I agree that he made some good changes, but the bad far outweighed the good. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:00, 8 June 2017 (EDT)
::I don't believe TAR is coming back. I was merely joking. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

That joke is not the least bit funny. I doubt that 1990'sguy appreciated the humor. As I'm sure you recall, during the period when TAR was being removed from the site (which is chronicled at [[User_talk:DavidB4#Cleaning_up_after_the_blocked_users]] and [[User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive60#Re:_Cleanup_work_post_TheAmericanRedoubt]], you repeatedly implied that you were somehow in private communication with him, and that, because of this, you could reassure everyone that he had no intention of coming back. But since you have a reputation for pretending to be in secret communication with people, just as you pretend to be multiple people, no one believed you. So Andy had to revoke his rights.

I don't believe he's coming back either, but not because of some private communication. It's because he would be shown the door instantly.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:33, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
:At this point, I really am not concerned if you believe I have had various private conversations with people or if you believe more than one person has edited using the [[User: Conservative]] account.

:It is probably best if we keep our communications cordial, but very limited in the future.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:34, 10 June 2017 (EDT)

::OK. The "ripping you to shreds" that I had planned will not occur. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:31, 11 June 2017 (EDT)
:::A few points:

:::1. You called my liar and I have never lied at this wiki. More than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account. You may not accept this fact as being true, but that is your problem and not mine. Aschafly is certainly aware that the User: Conservative account has had more than one editor use it and Karajou is aware as well. I did a checker user on the User: Conservative account and at least one other editor has used the account in the last 3 months.

:::2. I should have been more cordial in my last communication with you. After all is said and done, I have decided to communicate far less on talk pages due to competing priorities. So any absence of communication with you isn't personal. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:36, 11 June 2017 (EDT)

== From warrior to diplomat ==

"Warrior to Diplomat

In his previous roles, Harald had focused primarily on marshaling the troops to defeat the competition. Now he found himself devoting a surprising amount of time to influencing a host of external constituencies, including regulators, the media, investors, and NGOs. His support staff was bombarded with requests for his time: Could he participate in industry or government forums sponsored by the government affairs department? Would he be willing to sit for an interview with an editor from a leading business publication? Could he meet with a key group of institutional investors? Some of these groups he was familiar with; others not at all. But what was entirely new to him was his responsibility not just to interact with various stakeholders but also to proactively address their concerns in ways that meshed with the firm’s interests. Little of Harald’s previous experience prepared him for the challenges of being a corporate diplomat.

What do effective corporate diplomats do? They use the tools of diplomacy—negotiation, persuasion, conflict management, and alliance building—to shape the external business environment to support their strategic objectives. In the process they often find themselves collaborating with people with whom they compete aggressively in the market every day.

To do this well, enterprise leaders need to embrace a new mind-set—to look for ways that interests can or do align, understand how decisions are made in different kinds of organizations, and develop effective strategies for influencing others."[https://hbr.org/2012/06/how-managers-become-leaders]

Harald made the transition. The Apostle Paul made the transition. I wonder if someone else can? :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:50, 11 June 2017 (EDT)

:I '''think''' you are making some good points in what you say, and it's certainly true that my ways of interacting with people on the internet (and in real life too) could use some improvement. But I'm having a hard time following your examples. I don't know who "Harald" is/was. Some ancient Nordic king? I know who the Apostle Paul was, but I don't see his situation as being relevant to business, the media, investors, or NGO's. And my situation isn't relevant to those things either. At least you didn't bring in Sun-Tzu. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 17:20, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
::SamHB, I was merely saying that I have decided to be more diplomatic.
:::Oh! I was reading way too much into what you were saying. (I often do that.) So you were saying that '''you''' want to "make the transition" and do a better job of persuasion and conflict management. OK, I will try to do the same.
:::As an example, I will try to calm GinnyS down. I think she may be cruisin' for a bruisin'. I will try to explain that you are an acquired taste, and that personal attacks are ''never'' allowed. And I'll try to make that same point to JohnZ, for when he comes back. He is in a situation that is similar in some ways but different in other ways. I think that, due to my longevity, I have gotten a certain amount of respect among the young-uns, and I can use that respect to get them to behave better.
:::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:00, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

::As an aside, as far as Trump, I have never seen a president attacked as much as Trump and with such venom. On the other hand, I have never seen a president counterpunch as much too (and sometimes in a very personal way). It is nothing new though. Burr/Hamilton had many exchanges of words before their duel. And Lincoln was viciously attacked by his critics if memory serves. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:22, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Trump deserves every bit of what he gets. He knows next to nothing about American government, institutions, history, or traditions, seems to know very little about Christianity (though I realize I'm suppose to remove the plank from my own eye before making accusations like that), and seems to know very little about the Christian notions of generosity, forgiveness, humility, and contrition. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:00, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

== If you know of any good faith editors who have edited in the last 5 years and... ==

If you know of any good faith editors who have edited in the last 5 years and they are not on my list at [[User talk:Wikignome72]], please let me know.

I relied on: the recent changes list, my memory, user talk page edits for some of the active or formerly active editors. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:11, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

:Actually, yes, I could contribute a lot of names of people to keep. As you may know, I do a lot of "homework" or "research" here at CP, and I have a pretty good idea of who's who. Perhaps second only to you. But I think it's an unnecessary exercise to delete the old pages. And I sure hope your current deletion binge (well, deletion suggestion binge) isn't a reaction to my complaining, above, that you should not have deleted abcqwe's page.

:By the way, I have been trying to make an addition to Wikignome72's page, saying essentially the same thing, for over 3 hours, getting edit conflicts each time. I'll wait until you come up for air.

:If you actually want me to come up with a list of people that should be protected, I could do that. I would probably do it by going through the edit histories of all the articles that I have worked on and think are good, and noting everyone who contributed (who isn't a jerk).

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 17:20, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

== Some people our friend ought to keep ==

First preliminary, your quizzes are cute.

Second preliminary, I really think he ought to be welcomed, even if he is just you. I don't know why you keep deleting my attempts to welcome him. I like to keep up the pretense that he's a real person.

Third preliminary, I had no idea there was so much garbage in the user base. But I hope you don't think you are saving disk space; you aren't. Nothing ever really goes away in a computer database. Except "vaping", which you aren't doing.

I see the purge is in full swing. I've gone over the list, and there are a few people I recognize as having been, one way or another, significant people in CP's history. I'd like you (him, her) to consider restoring them. Some people left in anger (and at least one had some serious criticism of you personally.) But they are nevertheless part of our history. People won't know how we got here if they can't see our history. I've argued in the recent past that we should keep the "Parthian shot" of someone who has been blocked, so that, if they try to come back, we will know why they were kicked out and why they should not be allowed back in. But it's more than that. We need to remember the conflicts that have gone on in the past. Well, some of them; many people were just losers and deserve to be forgotten. Heck, isn't there a page called something like "Examples of censorship by the 'tolerant'"? I haven't looked at it lately, but we may be damaging it. We need to keep at least some of those examples around, don't we?

So here are a few people I've found so far. Is it possible to bring them back? I think it is, unless they have been "vaped", which I don't think they have been.
*DanH Wasn't he a sysop and well-respected person? Wasn't he the chess player? I may misremember the details [I sure do!], but he was an important part of our history. I seem to have confused him with ...
*DeanS Wasn't he a sysop and well-respected person? Wasn't he the chess player? And the Mormon who was concerned about whether there would be intolerance of Mormon? (Answer: none at all.) Wasn't he the person whose wife died? Wasn't he the geologist whose user name was originally "crocoite" (an interesting mineral), and then changed it in order to comply with the username policy? I may misremember the details, but he was an important part of our history.
*MatthewQ I see there's been some back-and-forth on this. He was a somewhat interesting science contributor.
*StaceyT Yeah, she was unhappy. But we need to see what sorts of things made people unhappy.
*Ymmotrojam He was a big player at one time.
*Coolguy Yes, he was recent, and p*ss*d some people off and was shown the door. But we need to see that history.
*And, of course, you won't delete Philip J Rayment, right?
There are others that haven't been deleted (yet).

Did you know that DeborahB created her account when Conservapedia was only 6 days old? She was a true "founding mother".

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 11:20, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:I will restore DanH.

:MathewQ mere had "useful links" on his user page so there is no need to restore that, but I kept his user talk page.

:StacyT was contentious and probably a sock of a man if I recall. Definitely a loser. Not restoring.

:Ymmotrojam deleted his own user page and talk page. I am respecting his wishes and keeping those pages deleted.

:Coolguy was a person who was not willing to engage in dialogue. Like many on the left, he was ignorant of history and/or wanted to engage in revisionism. He just wanted to pontificate. There are plenty of reasons to believe that various founding fathers were not Christians. But when you look at the state constitutions and various other important historical considerations, it is very apparent that Coolguy was pushing a very ignorant/false narrative of American history. I not going to bother to restore his user page or talk page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:31, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

== Re: restoration of DanH and PJR. Looking into other restoration ==

The user pages of [[User:DanH]] and [[User:Philip J. Rayment]] (PJR) were so boring, it gave me an excuse to delete them. But I really shouldn't have deleted them. And I just discovered that TK made those pages boring with his revisions to those pages.

So I restored those pages to their former glory. I did add a link to my atheism article from PJR's talk page by adding a bracket around his use of the word "atheists" on his user page. I am still in communication with PJR and his wife, and I know that PJR would not mind my small change.

I am looking into the DeanS restoration. I did not delete it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:22, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:[[User:DeanS]] user page history has been restored along with TK's replacing of the blanking by DeanS with a retired template. The retired template looks better. I don't think DeanS would have minded.

:DeanS deleted his user talk page. I am going to keep it deleted.

:I think DeanS left due to ill health, but it could have been due to disputes with evangelical Christians on the website (He was a Mormon) or some other reason. I have no idea. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:32, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::As far as DeanS, I did a little detective work and restored his talk page to the version I think he would have wanted. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:48, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Thanks for attending to these details. As far as leaving the last version of something up, when it just says "retired", there's nothing wrong with that, as long as data squirrels like myself can look through the history and see what led to the retirement. That's what we should have—a historical record. (Excuse me, an historical record.) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:34, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I think PJR left due to a battle over gun owner rights/public safety controversies. But perhaps that was merely the final straw. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:41, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
I restored the user page of [[User:JacobB]] as well. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:58, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::I removed the striked out text from PJR's user page. It looked sloppy and I didn't see any real purpose in it. Next time I talk to PJR, I will see if he is fine with the edit. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:32, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

==Taking some of your advice==

Greetings, Cons!

The long message you left for me yesterday was extremely interesting. I had to go back a long way (June 29, 2015) to find what you were referring to and refresh my memory of the issue. It's too bad that yesterday's message was lost in a wiki server malfunction.<ref>This seems to happen a lot with your contributions.</ref> The "advice" that you seem to have been referring to was that you should direct your persuasive energies into ways that are more likely to have an actual effect on people, such as human interaction, rather than writing Conservapedia articles. And you mentioned "opportunity cost", that is, the cost of one approach versus another in terms of actual payoff.

You ended with your usual argument against evolution, giving two web references. The first was to a page that had a religious web site in its name. As you know, I totally ignore any arguments about scientific topics appearing in religious web sites or religious publications. If one can't make an argument about a scientific topic (as opposed to, say, a topic of morality or ethics), without saying "because the Bible says so", I'm not interested.

The second web site was [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohp4dmkOmKE this]. So I had to look. Though it was clear right from the start (though not from the URL itself) that it was a religious web site—it was from the PNN News and Ministry Network, and it also had front-page references to http://www.hickoryhammockbaptist.org and http://creation.com. It had five "questions for the evolution believer". I had to sit through a guy with a very irritating voice listing the questions. (Aren't there 15 questions elsewhere? This guy isn't even trying!)
:The first was about abiogenesis. We all know that the question of abiogenesis, while interesting and having no known solution at present (or perhaps ever), lies outside of the issues of evolution/Biblical creation and young-Earth/old-Earth cosmology. So I had to sit through 55 seconds (opportunity cost!) of that nonsense.
:The second one was about "language", making the point that the DNA code satisfies all the accepted criteria for being a language, yet is unique among languages in that it was not developed by humans. (Not true, by the way.) And so somehow this meant that evolution must not have happened. Huh?
:It went downhill rapidly from there. The third was about sexual reproduction, and how "wasted energy" involved in this meant that evolution could not be correct. Or something. I stopped listening.
All things considered, sort of fun. But now, if you'll excuse me, I need to take your advice about taking my advice, and consider the opportunity cost of replying to you on my talk page. So long for now. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:19, 7 July 2017 (EDT)
::Essentially, I said that I am going to use my time better so I have a greater positive impact in life. Recently, I am more on track except for a comment on main page talk today.

::In July of 2017, I will be working on a Conservapedia related project. But you will see no edits being performed by the User: Conservative account in relation to this project.

::“Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.” - [[Sun Tzu]]
:::Well, that's some advice I am '''not''' going to take. But if you think it works for you (I disagree) go right ahead. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:58, 8 July 2017 (EDT)

::此（译注：用间）兵之要，三军之所恃而动也 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:12, 7 July 2017 (EDT)
::::I sent you a sour email recently about you publishing one of my emails recently. Looking back, I shouldn't have sent it.

::::No hard feelings. Enjoy your summer. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:45, 10 July 2017 (EDT)

OK, I got the email. I want to apologize for any behavior that may have led you to believe I can't be trusted with private information. Let me assure you that I am a trustworthy person when I know what information is being kept confidential.

The email that you are referring to is presumably the message listed above somewhere (or maybe it's been archived by now), in which I divulged both the sender and the content. Of course I divulged the fact that you sent the message--you had already said publicly that you were going to send it. I assumed that the email name of the sender was not secret because it looked like a "throwaway" name of the sort that people often create. In fact, you have sent other emails to people with various names. I assumed that you don't consider them secret. If I harmed you by revealing the name, I apologize.

After you complained, I redacted everything in the email listed above except the content. I believed that the content was typical of the things you write all over the place at Conservapedia. It was largely references to your various articles, as is your writing style. If the particular content of that message was something you wanted protected, I apologize.

If you wish to vape the redacted message above on this page, go ahead; I won't complain or restore it. (As you know, I usually oppose vaping, especially on users' talk pages, and sometimes restore the vaped material.)

So I need to know just how much secrecy you desire:
*Do you want me not to reveal even the fact of having received a message? Even if you said, here on this talk page, that you are going to send it or have sent it?
*Do you want me not to reveal the user ID of the sender?
*Do you want me not to reveal the content?
*Do you want me not even to say that I have replied, or otherwise give any general information about what was discussed?
At the risk of violating the last point, I suspect that the project you referred to (which you also mentioned above on this page) is something I wouldn't be interested in. I know that, in the past, your projects have been things like an anti-evolution pamphlet. Now if you want to collaborate on an anti-creationist pamphlet (you know, things like "15 questions that creationists can't answer") by all means, sign me up.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 14:07, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

:At Conservapedia, I am not going to discuss any of the off wiki activities of the editors who use the User: Conservative account. This is the simplest solution to potential problems caused by the intolerant left.

:The simplest solution to the email issue is for me to no longer send you any emails. But perhaps I will change my mind on this matter. I can certainly pray about this matter. If we were to communicate privately it would probably be Skype communication due to constraints upon my time. I am going to strongly endeavor to be more efficient with my time and communicating via email can be more time intensive. But you have indicated that you are not interested in Skype communications so in all likelihood, I doubt there will be future private communications between us.

:Again, no hard feelings. I will certainly endeavor to keep my communications with you at Conservapedia cordial. And again, enjoy your summer. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:43, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
::I just sent you an email. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:43, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
:::I sent you an additional email. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:20, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::::I will keep my promise of confidentiality. So let me just say that there has been some traffic on the sam4557 email account of late. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 09:29, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
:::::I just sent you another email. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:10, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::::::I sent you a small request via email. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:34, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
== re: polishing up my grammar and writing skills ==

I sent you a private email. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:32, 31 July 2017 (EDT)

==For Cons==
I normally find "listicles" ("The 15 worst beaches", etc.) on the internet to be extremely stupid. But [https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/whats-hot/38-things-no-man-over-40-should-own/ss-AAoKipb?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral#image=2 this one] was actually entertaining. I especially liked [https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/whats-hot/38-things-no-man-over-40-should-own/ss-AAoKipb?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=referral#image=9 item number 8]. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:33, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::I am cutting back on entertainment. I made a couple of promises to people that require stricter time management.

::In terms of time management, I shouldn't have done any Conservapedia editing today. But I decided to get back on track.

::"Top performers make mistakes, commit errors, and get off track just like everyone else. The difference is that they get back on track as quickly as possible." - How to Build a New Habit: This is Your Strategy Guide by James Clear[http://jamesclear.com/habit-guide]

::There are so many internet cat videos, but so little time. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
I did a little bit of additional editing to reflect some significant changes relative to some of the articles I have created in the past. But I really shouldn't have done that.

But I am getting back on track in terms of some important promises.

However, I will not be editing Conservapedia for 66 days (see this interesting study: [http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejsp.674/full How are habits formed: Modelling habit formation in the real world]). You can hold me to this. On October 7, 2017, I will let you know how things went in terms of new habit creation and bad habit cessation.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:34, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

::I find it odd that all the many members of the User:Conservative account are all going to be busy for the next 66 days, is this an admission that there is only one of you? Listed in the differences between Wikipedia and Conservapedia is the respect for a users talk page. So what is this about?
[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:SamHB&curid=133755&action=history]
Not a lot of respect for the rules here, but then again the rules have never applied to you have they?--[[User:JoshO|JoshO]] ([[User talk:JoshO|talk]]) 16:12, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

:Those 66 days just flew by. If you cannot model your habits on your own, perhaps you should try to get help from others? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 06:07, 10 August 2017 (EDT)

::Are you forgetting that more than one editor uses the User:Conservative account and it's the specific editor who said he was taking time off that would be doing it? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 06:30, 10 August 2017 (EDT)
:::AugustO, I am going to get back on track. I will not edit Conservapedia until Sunday, October 15, 2017. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:00, 10 August 2017 (EDT)
AugustO, I am going to get back on track. '''I will not edit Conservapedia until Sunday, October 15, 2017'''
*13:37, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+96)‎ . . 2018 Global Atheist Convention ‎
*13:37, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+125)‎ . . 2018 Global Atheist Convention ‎
*13:19, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+30)‎ . . Atheist fundraising vs. religious fundraising ‎ (→‎See also) (current)
*13:18, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (-12)‎ . . Fundraising ‎ (→‎Religious fundraising vs. atheist/irreligious fundraising) (current)
*13:17, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+17)‎ . . Charity ‎ (→‎See also) (current)
*13:17, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+30)‎ . . Fundraising ‎
*13:16, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (-1)‎ . . Fundraising ‎
*13:15, 12 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . m Fundraising ‎ (Conservative moved page Fund-raising to Fundraising) --[[User:IMcCleod|IMcCleod]] ([[User talk:IMcCleod|talk]]) 16:18, 12 August 2017 (EDT)

::IMcCleod, do you also assume that only one editor uses the User:Conservative account (even though it has been made clear that it is used by multiple editors)? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 23:16, 12 August 2017 (EDT)
:::<s>IMcCloud, Christendom is playing a significant role in bringing [[Atheist factions|the quarrelsome]] and socially challenged [[atheist movement]] to its knees and now [[Global atheism statistics|atheists are shrinking in their global influence]].

:::American [[Atheist fundraising vs. religious fundraising|atheist fundraising]] is now anemic. The atheist activist Lee Moore recently admitted concerning major atheist organizations in the United States: "Most of them are starved for cash. They're downsizing left and right."[http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheist_fundraising_vs._religious_fundraising#Atheist_activist_Lee_Moore:_Donations_to_atheist_organizations_are_down_due_to_infighting_within_the_atheist_movement]

:::While I am pleased to see that the largely despondent atheist movement is imploding while Christendom is going one glorious victory after another (see: [[Atheist pessimism about the atheist movement]] and [[Future of Christianity]]), I have decided to broaden my horizons (And SamHB has played a role in this matter).

:::As tempting as it is to add further information about the current state of affairs concerning the [[atheism vs. Christianity]] topic, I have decided that I must do better in keeping my commitment to be more focused in some of my current endeavors. Therefore, I am going to be completely resolute in this matter and not edit this wiki until October 18, 2017. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])</s>

"AugustO, I am going to get back on track. '''I will not edit Conservapedia until Sunday, October 15, 2017"
*18:01, 15 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (+280)‎ . . Millennials, irreligion and obesity ‎ (→‎See also) (current)
*17:54, 15 August 2017 (diff | hist) . . (-25)‎ . . Millennials, irreligion and obesity--[[User:Jaris|Jaris]] ([[User talk:Jaris|talk]]) 18:17, 15 August 2017 (EDT) ‎

==More about Cons==
In a [http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:SamHB#Taking_some_of_your_advice section above] Cons asked for complete secrecy if we are to engage in an email dialog. I gave him that assurance. I have abided by it, and will continue to do so. He then wrote that he had sent me an email.

Other than to say that there has been some traffic on the sam4557 account, I will have nothing to say about any email. Please do not ask about it; I will not reply. Everything I write below is based entirely on material that is publicly visible on this website.

Alert observers may have noticed that I dropped out of sight at about the same time that Cons (first) did. That is entirely a coincidence; there was no "pact" or "challenge". I dropped out because it became clear, from the [[Pussy Riot]] article, that "assistants" / "junior sysops" have been granted absolute power to control editorial content however they see fit, blocking other contributors if it suits them, and that a few of those assistants are actively wielding that power.

Now, about Cons's "pledge" to refrain from editing CP and pursue more productive activities (I have no idea where the 66 days figure comes from), it is clear that, although there has been some good behavior, there has been some backsliding. Various other people have, quite understandably, chided him over this. Cons has apologized and promised to do better, only to have succumbed to temptation again. Longstanding bad habits are difficult to break. I would recommend that people show some Christian forgiveness, forbearance, and understanding as he struggles with this. (This would certainly be easier if Cons had shown more understanding and forbearance toward others in the past.)

But there is something quite revealing about what has been going on. '''He could easily have blamed the backsliding on other members of his "consortium".''' Instead, he owned up to it. This shows, ''the way nothing else can'', that the business of Cons's account being operated by multiple people was utter nonsense. Most sensible people, including myself, saw through this all along. But a few people, as seen above on this page, including sysops who presumably had access to whatever non-public information there might have been, seem to have been totally taken in by this nonsense. Cons was man enough to admit to his failings, and other people should be man enough to accept that this "multiple person" fantasy was just that.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:37, 19 August 2017 (EDT)

:I know you're referring specifically to me regarding the Pussy Riot article, SamHB. You were told on that and other articles (more than once) not to impose a liberal POV on them, but you didn't take heed of that advice and you went ahead anyway in violation of Conservapedia policy, following past behavioral patterns that led to you being blocked numerous times before by other editors. When you also say "various other people" regarding User:Conservative, what you really mean is the same poster using multiple accounts (most of which have since been blocked for sockpuppeteering) to hurl that accusation about the account just being used by one editor as opposed to more than one. Until Conservative says otherwise, I'm going to take his word for it. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 21:24, 19 August 2017 (EDT)

== Re: SamHB's recent post to his talk page ==

A few things:

'''1.''' The 66 days is based on a journal article in the ''European Journal of Social Psychology'' entitled ''How are habits formed: Modelling habit formation in the real world''.[http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ejsp.674/full]

'''2.''' Sysops/admins have been told that more one person has used the User:Conservative account and I have indicated this multiple times. Sysops/admins have access to the check user function of this wiki which has enabled them to see that the User: Conservative account has been edited from multiple geographic regions (sometimes the account has been edited from more than one geographic region in the same day due to the fact that the account has been used by more than one editor).

It has also been observed that the footnoting style of various User: Conservative edits has been radically different.

In addition, skepticism has been expressed that one of the users of the User: Conservative account would create an article entitled [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]].

'''3.''' SamHB is correct that longstanding bad habits can be difficult to break. While it is true that I had about a week long stretch without editing Conservapedia in early August of 2017, I ended my break from editing this wiki before the 66 days was up.

Since this habit is more entrenched than anticipated, more drastic measures are clearly needed! So this habit will be broken using multiple methods - including a tried and true Marine Corps and Navy Seal method (Push ups if the old habit reemerges!).

My next edit to this wiki will be on Tuesday, October 25, 2017.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:33, 20 August 2017 (EDT)

:There might be things I want to say here, but they will have to wait until the 66 days are up.
:@Cons: You know what you need to do. Or, more precisely, what not to do. If you absolutely have to have some critical change made, feel free to send me an email.
:@everyone else: Please stay away.

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:10, 20 August 2017 (EDT)

== Please check your email ==

SamHB, please check your email. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:18, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:I have not looked at my sam4557 email since late August, and do not plan to look at it for 66 days. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:05, 14 September 2017 (EDT)

== Quick note ==

For the next 66 days, I may not strictly adhere to the 66 days editing total fast on Conservapedia editing, but I will at least be on a very restricted diet. :)

I may do a limited amount of main page posts. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:03, 28 September 2017 (EDT)
:I know I have to be very strict about this former pledge. The Apostle Paul says some relevant things about this matter. I am going to write to you about this matter.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
== More than one User: Conservative at Conservapedia ==

<s>Note the footnoting and writing styles in these recent articles written using the [[User: Conservative]] account:

*[[List of atheist shooters and serial killers]]

*[[Atheism and mental illness]]

*[[Essay: Was Stephen Paddock an atheist mass killer?]]

The footnoting styles are clearly different between the first/second works and the third work (which is an essay). Why are the footnoting styles different? Because multiple editors have used the User: Conservative account.

Clearly, the [[ad hominem]] attacks against "User: Conservative" and the armchair psychological analysis of "User: Conservative" should be reexamined.

There are scholars that speculate there are multiple writers behind the work commonly associated with [[Sun Tzu]].

"Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate." - Sun Tzu.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])</s>
== A major search engine whose name begins with the letter G, recognizes that certain "atheist gentlemen" have been rattled and overwhelmed by the sheer weight of the "Atheism and ...." heavy artillery barage by the User: Conservative collective ==
[[File:Google recognizes COCD.png|thumbnail|center|800px]]
{{clear}}

<s>For more information, please see:

*[[Essay: Conservapedia Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is an officially recognized mental disorder|Conservapedia Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is an officially recognized mental disorder]]</s>

Talking about obsessions:
{{cquote|My next edit to this wiki will be on Tuesday, October 25, 2017.Conservative (talk) 12:33, 20 August 2017 (EDT)}}
And no, I had no trouble waiting until '''''Wednesday''''', October 25, 2017, to post this comment ;-)
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 04:51, 25 October 2017 (EDT)
:Which is nowhere ''near'' the level of liberal obsession with wanting to silence free speech for everyone but themselves (hence the regular attacks on this site by immature liberal vandals, and even attacks from within by the few regular liberal posters who ''think'' they know what's best for this site better than the admins do). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 00:26, 26 October 2017 (EDT)

== User: Conservative account ==

I had another member of the User: Conservative editor base change the password to the User: Conservative account.

In about a couple months or so, he will give me the new password.

Taking a break from editing for awhile. See you when you get back.

By the way, the [[2018 Global Atheist Convention that was cancelled|2018 Global Atheist Convention]] was cancelled due to lack of interest. Of course, this is yet another sign that Christendom has gloriously triumphed over the [[atheist movement]]! :)[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 11:02, 15 November 2017 (EST)

== Not impressed ==

Besides you seeking to provoke yet another fight on this site, you've also demonstrated two things by copying the user template I created for my user page (the one indicating that the user does not support the liberal media) and changing it into something else (accusing Breitbart News, a conservative news site, of being "fake news" even though it is not):

# You proved through your actions that liberals (like yourself) lack originality and prefer to copy and imitate others (per the [[Liberal Style]] article, in number seven of the [[Liberal Style#Debate and rhetorical tactics|Debate and rhetorical tactics section]])
# You resorted to the notorious tactic made infamous by Marx, Lenin and Goebbels in accusing conservative media of what the liberal media (particularly CNN, MSNBC, the nightly network newscasts, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Huffington Post, Vice Media, etc.) is guilty of itself (propagating lies, bias and fake news)

Congrats, you just proved the point Conservapedia (and other sources) made about liberals and their tactics once again through your actions in trying to force a liberal POV here. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 09:37, 21 November 2017 (EST)

::Well, I '''am''' impressed. You say that "liberals [...] lack originality and prefer to copy and imitate others [...]", and yet I have this: [http://www.conservapedia.com/User:SamHB#The_current_occupant_of_the_White_House] on my user page, from 03:52, 12 December 2017, and you made an interesting edit to your user page [http://www.conservapedia.com/User:Northwest] at 16:58 the same day. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:42, 22 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Which was in response to the false claims you made about President Trump, FYI. Are you really itching to start yet another fight here? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 19:34, 22 June 2018 (EDT)

== This page is not to be used for abusing, insulting, berating, or bullying cancer patients, or otherwise engaging in the kind of social, moral, or ethical depravity that people outgrow by age 10. ==

I didn't berate any cancer patients. I merely pointed out the unhealthy and anti-social habits of atheists which give the atheist population a higher cancer rate.
:You most certainly did. A careful reading of your activities here at CP relating to cancer, as well as what's been going on over at RW, shows very clearly that you were engaging in abusive and, frankly, un-Christian behavior toward RW user "Mercian". It is completely obvious from a careful reading of this what has been going on. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:32, 30 December 2017 (EST)
In 2017, I helped my friend by researching the best solutions to treat his loved one's cancer. He asked me to do it because he felt I had strong research skills. In 2018, I am helping an anti-cancer initiative. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:15, 24 December 2017 (EST)
:Congratulations. BTW, I'm also engaged in helping an anti-cancer initiative.
:Also, your suggestion that left-handed people are somehow "mutant" strikes me as a bit more provocative than someone who is trying to win hearts and minds ought to be. You might want to tone down the negativity in the things you write. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:32, 30 December 2017 (EST)
::<s>"A systematic literature review combined with primary research on handedness demonstrates that atheism and/or paranormal belief is associated with all of these indicators of high mutational load."[https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0133-5]

::Judging by [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKl9H037C1k THE VIDEO] I saw where he explains his theory, the British anthropologist who published the article appears to be a person of high intelligence, but likely not as creative in his thinking as he ought to be (Maybe left-handedness creates otherness and people less prone to conformity), Nevertheless, he does appear to be smart enough to recognize what high mutational load is.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:37, 30 December 2017 (EST)</s>
=== Atheism and cancer ===

<s>Some atheist (or at the very least someone who appeared to be an atheist) claimed an [[Atheism and cancer]] article was created in the past at this wiki. Yet, when I did a search using the search box, I found no record of such an article being created at this wiki.</s>
:That's funny. The article you cite was created, by you, at 14:39 on 22 December, before you wrote the above. It's still there now, having been edited almost continuously by you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:29, 23 December 2017 (EST)

<s>Given what I know about [[Atheism and health]] and [[Global atheism and aging populations]], I suspected there was a positive correlation between atheism and cancer. And lo and behold, there is!

By the way, you might find this to be interesting:

According to the American Cancer Society:

"According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 69% of cancer patients say they pray for their health. A recent study published in Cancer, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Cancer Society, suggests a link between religious or spiritual beliefs and better physical health reported among patients with cancer."[https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/study-cancer-patients-with-strong-religious-or-spiritual-beliefs-report-better-health.html]

The Christian apologist Gary Habermas wrote: "Double-blind prayer experiments: where people pray for others with terminal illness. Habermas admitted that most such experiments have not worked, but the three that he knows of that have indeed worked were cases of orthodox-Christians praying for the sick."[https://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-apologist-10-reasons-for-the-fall-of-atheism-106531/]

See: [[Atheism and cancer#Religion/irreligion and cancer treatment|Religion/irreligion and cancer treatment]] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:19, 22 December 2017 (EST)</s>

=== I've got the power! ===
[[File:Freethinkers.jpg|thumbnail|200px|right|<s>Dr. [[Jonathan Sarfati]] is a staff member of [[Creation Ministries International]].</s> ]]
<s>An atheist/agnostic wrote about me: "These people get off on controlling you, on subjecting you to their power... I'm sorry that... mound of misery got to you."

SamHB, I thought Christians believed in free will, that people are free moral agents and that God can help people overcome various temptations? See also: [[Atheism and free will]]</s>
:Actually, we do believe that! Conservapedia addiction is a tough addiction to break, but people have broken even tougher ones. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:29, 23 December 2017 (EST)

<s>"When in reality no one can ever make you feel ANYTHING! That’s right; you heard me. No one can make you cry. No one can make you happy. No one can make you sad. No one can make you feel better. No one can make you feel guilty…but you." - Heather Wilson

Evidently, Heather Wilson has more [[machismo]] than the gentlemen of a certain atheist wiki!

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BRv9wGf5pk I've got the power!]

The truth often hurts. And certain gentlemen can't handle the truth!

Evidently, I am the puppet master and certain atheist gentlemen are my puppets!</s>
[[File:Second dog with a bone.jpg|right|thumbnail|220px|<s>Atheists obsessed with [[Conservapedia]] are like a [[dog]] with a bone. Their dogged persistence in thinking about Conservapedia, discussing Conservapedia and making forecasts about Conservapedia is quite prodigious and intense.</s> ]]
<s>I've got the power.

I've got the power.

Like the crack of the whip, I Snap attack...

Bang the bass, turn up the treble.

Radical mind, day and night all the time.

7:14, wise divine. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
:I read this comment directed to me by a member of SJW atheist wiki: "What have you done but spiel hate...".

:A best selling book declares that SJWs always project. It's so true.

:Well cited and factual encyclopedia articles spieling hate. it such an absurd proposition. The British atheist EJamesW on Conservapedia's atheism related articles: "...they're very detailed, thorough and have lots of quotes and citations." (see: [[Essay: A British atheist on Conservapedia's atheism articles]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:54, 23 December 2017 (EST)</s>

== Re: Online boxing match ==

Merician and I have been engaging in a bit of an online boxing match lately, but we have been playing by [https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Marquis+of+Queensberry+rules Marquess of Queensberry Rules].

See also: [[Talk:Essay: British atheist acknowledges the reasonableness of a User: Conservative editor]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:09, 30 December 2017 (EST)
:Addemdun: See my comments above regarding high mutational loads/left-handedness/socialization, otherness and less likely to engage in conformity (I expanded the [[Atheists and genetic mutations]] article to provide more in-depth analysis/commentary.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:41, 31 December 2017 (EST)

== Your edits ==

When you edited the Billy Graham article, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Texas_elections,_2018&diff=826892431&oldid=826891839 you reverted] my previous edit in addition to making the grammar fix. I didn't notice your fix, and with good reason, considering that your improvement was very small compared to what you reverted. Sorry for the confusion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:21, 21 February 2018 (EST)

==This refers to some stuff in archive #3==
Actually, we did mark your words, in 2017, 2016, 2015, .... Your words were found wanting.

Incidentally, the deceptiveness of Cons's "as I watch it burn" quote was discussed at [http://www.conservapedia.com/User:SamHB#I_would_really_love_to_see_User:Conservative_slowly_and_painfully_burn] on my user page.

Cons would do well to write original material, that the majority of Conservapedians won't feel ashamed of, on topics that the majority of Conservapedians would find worthwhile for this web site.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:35, 27 February 2018 (EST)
::Didn't Conservative suggest the man in the picture was a cowardly unionized firefighter. Most of the firefighters on 9/11 were unionized and they rushed into those buildings knowing fine well that the odds of them coming out alive were slim. Horribly disrespectful.--[[User:RSturmer|RSturmer]] ([[User talk:RSturmer|talk]]) 12:55, 27 February 2018 (EST)

:<s>The global market share of atheist has generally been declining since 1970 (see: [[Global atheism statistics]]). So atheism has burned from 2015-2017. Please don't post counter factual rubbish/contentions on your talk page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])</s>
:::It is wise for firefighters to sometimes let a fire burn out and stop fighting it. First, sometimes a fire progresses to a point where the building cannot be salvaged. Second, water cost money. And finally, there is the safety of the firemen issue. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:42, July 10, 2021 (EDT)

== You're Cool ==

Just Sayin'. [[User:DaveSG|DaveSG]] ([[User talk:DaveSG|talk]]) 01:09, 24 February 2018 (EST)

:Thanks. And I have 19 blocks to show for it. I think the powers that be have come to an understanding that I do not harm or materially dilute what Conservapedia is saying, and that what I say is generally rather thoughtful, so they don't generally harm me these days. Many other, far less thoughtful, users can be found in the permanent block log. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:57, 24 February 2018 (EST)

::Getting blocked 19 times for your misbehavior on this site is nothing to be proud of, and denying that you ''have'' tried to harm this site by repeatedly forcing a liberal viewpoint on it (including under the transparent guise of "essays") and provoking fights with other posters does not make what you've done here over time untrue or any less bad. That you would be praised for your behavior by a troll who has since been blocked says plenty. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 02:58, 25 February 2018 (EST)

:::And incidentally, your recent snide edit summary comment in the Pussy Riot article, combined with your decision to ignore Conservapedia guidelines yet again by edit warring, insistently imposing liberal POV on that and other articles and by provoking yet another fight, just earned you a two-day break. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 23:30, 25 February 2018 (EST)

::::Hi Northwest, you did not give a reason why the essay of SamHB is written from a "liberal point of view". Instead of arguing with him you simply started an edit war. I could not find any liberal tendencies in this essay and therefore there is no comprehensible reason for his block.--[[User:JoeyJ|JoeyJ]] ([[User talk:JoeyJ|talk]]) 08:46, 26 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Again, Assistant SysOps are not allowed by the rules to block longstanding membersto resolve disputes--I agree with JoeyJ's response. That said, edit warring is also unproductive, and making essay versions of CP articles has already been discussed and generally disapproved of. (Yes, I know, I just used a trailing preposition....)
:::::I do see the differences between these two (listed here: https://www.diffchecker.com/49fnIo4C), but in the long run, do they make that much of a difference? Can't we let the reader decide what view to take? I don't trust Putin either, but the fact these people are using obscene activities to convey their message still stands. Perhaps focusing on them and their activities rather than Putin's is the best idea? {{unsigned|DavidB4}}

==Northwest and Pussy Riot==
User Northwest seems to have a spectacular disdain for me. This can be seen in many things he has written in a number of places, most notably here on this talk page, and on the [[Pussy Riot]] article and talk page. A particularly noteworthy case of this can be seen in the "not impressed" section above, where he takes me to task for copying material from another template (something that people do all the time) to accuse me of lacking originality, claiming that all liberals do the same, and comparing me to Marx, Lenin and Goebbels.

He also says, in the "You're Cool" section above, that my having been blocked 19 (now 20) times shows misbehavior. A few things:
*I have been here much longer than Northwest, and most of those blocks were before his time. He knows nothing about the circumstances.
*Other than a few that naturally expired, all of those blocks were later rescinded, either by the blocking party directly, or by being countermanded by an admin.
*One of those blocks was by someone who was later unmasked as a parodist.
*One of those blocks was for a completely bogus accusation of being a sock of AlanS, whom I never knew. (That incident has led me to have no confidence in the process of identifying sock accounts.)
As far as I know, I am respected at least to some extent by virtually everyone that I have had contact with here at Conservapedia. Even someone who had earlier gotten the wrong impressions and blocked me. I have had my work praised by a number of admins, ''including the site owner''. So I do not know why Northwest takes such a strong attitude against me. I have mostly ignored him, but the Pussy Riot issue did not admit a solution other than making an "essay" alternative article.

I agree with DavidB4 that having an alternative "essay" article is not a good idea. I only did that because Northwest's insistence that only "leftists" and "Social Justice Warriors" (SJW's) oppose murderous thug Putin. I simply could not stand for that implication.

In further response to DavidB4, yes, these people use obscene activities (I've seen the youtube videos; some of them are appalling). But the article is almost entirely focused on them and their activities. There is only a small portion about the international protest of Putin regarding their imprisonment and pardon. That is a small, but nevertheless important, part of the article. The protests in support of Pussy Riot were an international phenomenon, and was not limited to leftists and SJW's.

I would have no problem with getting rid of the essay (it was admittedly picayune, and the change was extremely minor) if it were permitted to mention the international protests. We would either have to have the article locked by an admin (this has been done on several other articles that were subject to edit warring) or we would need a clear statement from Northwest that the article reflect a consensus of the Conservapedia community.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:38, 28 February 2018 (EST)

:Ignoring the truth about those protests - that they were staged by leftists (regardless of nationality) with an anti-Christian animus like the band itself has - does you no favors. As for the past blocks against you, regardless of what you think about those blocks, they were justified because you saw fit to violate Conservapedia's guidelines more than once, including imposing a liberal viewpoint on that article and on the Nazi Party article (and your attitude toward the blocks also reflects your attitude toward the rules of the site itself), and ignoring that fact does nothing for you either.

:And about your claim of "being respected at least to some extent by virtually everyone that I have had contact with here at Conservapedia", your attitude toward [[User:Conservative]] and other editors here who don't necessarily agree with your viewpoint here and who counter or refute your claims with counterpoints supported by non-liberal-sourced, reference-backed evidence (which you've shown to get offended by in at least Conservative's case, and has led you to provoke fights against myself and other posters in other cases and to make false claims of conservative media like Breitbart being "fake news" in response to the fact that the liberal media itself purveys fake news) appears to show that that respect is not a two-way street when it isn't convenient for you (as part of that, I've even noticed that in [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia_proven_right&diff=prev&oldid=1404861 this edit] in [[Conservapedia proven right]], most of your sources in that edit come from liberal media websites, specifically NBC, CBS and the BBC - all of which have been discredited due to being exposed as fake news creators, and all of which you put back in the article in response to Andy Schlafly removing them because he noted that the sources were from multiple liberal sites all reporting the same thing and that your claim of "gravitational waves being convincingly detected" was itself implausible and claimed by liberals, whose claims you used via those sources). Those are some of the things you really should keep in mind. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 04:29, 28 February 2018 (EST)
:*My relationship with Cons is far more complex and nuanced, both publicly and privately, than you seem to be aware. If we didn't actually have a cordial relationship beneath those gruff exteriors, he wouldn't post pictures of concertina wire on my talk page. You would do well not to assume that you understand the situation correctly.
:*On the anti-relativity bandwagon? Really? Please do your homework, as outlined in the "People who write about relativity but don't know what they are talking about" section of my user page.
:*The Nazi Party article? You really follow me around, don't you? That stuff was from a year and a half ago. Do you keep similarly detailed dossiers on other people? Or is there something about me that fascinates you?
:*I am actually well aware of the rules of the site, having read them many many times. You don't seem to be.
:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:41, 28 February 2018 (EST)
:::Your comments still don't excuse your behavior on this site, or the fact that you not only continue to manipulatively deny any wrongdoing you've done here (including your use of liberal sources for your science article edits and claiming them as "fact" despite Andy stating otherwise) and shift the blame to everyone else (a hallmark liberal tactic), you even claim to be "well aware of the rules of the site" yet continue to violate them when you see fit. I'm actually more aware of the rules here than you realize (or care to admit), so don't go making assumptions (including about the reversions of edits in which you imposed a liberal POV). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 14:54, 28 February 2018 (EST)
::::Agreed overall with Northwest (especially how SamHB seems to go with CBS and NBC articles when sourcing things and making things more liberal despite this explicitly being a Conservative site, and people like SamHB are pretty much the reason I distrust mods immensely, especially when I've encountered several like him on wikis and forums, and also why I'm exceptionally reluctant to take a mod position, fearing I'll turn out like a monster if I become one.). Though to be fair regarding the bit about Putin, though, I've seen [https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/28051-communism-very-similar-to-christianity-putin-claims a few writers] at ''The New American'' (which is tied to the John Birch Society, which obviously ain't liberal or SJW) as well as Trevor Loudon (who has shown himself to be very anti-Communist and pro-Trump), and even [https://dailycaller.com/2014/03/07/former-spy-chief-claims-putin-regime-is-an-intelligence-agency-dictatorship/ Ion Mihai Pacepa] condemn Putin as well, citing that he's closer to being of the Communists than he is in actually being anti-Communist, so I wouldn't go so far as to say only SJWs and liberals hate Putin. And quite frankly you ask me, the fight between SJWs/Liberals and Putin's more like the feud between Stalin and Trotsky, or Stalin's feuding with Hitler initially (which was more for control of the left than actual ideological differences). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 06:02, 7 February 2020 (EST)
:::::I'm not going to argue further about the Pussy Riot case; Northwest has shown us his worldview, and his view of the use of administrative power to get his way in editorial disputes. And I think Putin has shown his true colors quite clearly.
:::::But I would suggest that, before agreeing with statements to the effect that I largely rely on CBS and NBC, that you do your homework. I haven't gone over a huge amount of my history—most of my writing is about relativity, where I rely on very extensive reading of the scientific literature— but my only relevant edits in the last two months are:
:::::*04:16, 3 February 2020‎ cited blog.stewart.com/ (from the U.S. Census Bureau)
:::::*19:31, 4 February 2020 cited 247wallst.com/
:::::*20:38, 3 December 2019 cited www.legislation.gov.uk/
:::::Are these some kinds of leftist "deep state" blogs?
:::::But feel free to distrust moderators. It's not hard to find evidence supporting that distrust. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:43, 7 February 2020 (EST)
::::::Oh, I see. Northwest was referring above to my 17 Feb 2018 edit to the "Conservapedia Proven Right" article. I gave 13 references, of which 3 were "mainstream media" things—NBC, CBS, and BBC, while the other 10 were scientific web sites. If anyone believes that all 13 of those were fraudulent, they should feel free to say so. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:50, 7 February 2020 (EST)
:::::::LOL. Is www.legislation.gov.uk/ a leftist "deep state" blog? Gosh golly geewhiz.... [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 23:44, 7 February 2020 (EST)
::::::::Please do not bore me. I have no idea what you are talking about, nor do I care. There are quite a number of people here at Conservapedia that I can interact with in a sensible way, and you are not one of them. Why don't you go over to ritionalwaki, where you (as nobs) seem to spar with people in a way that they find worthwhile. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 11:27, 9 February 2020 (EST)
Liberals are obsessed with Russia and Vladimir Putin ever since Trump soundly beat them fair and square in the 2016 election against crooked Hillary. Russia is a country with an economy the size of Italy and it faces a demographic winter due to its sub-replacement level of births.
Both the Catholic Church and Russian Orthodox Church are authoritarian so it is not surprising Russia is authoritarian. If only the Russians were Presbyterians, then Russia would not be so authoritarian! The good news is that Protestantism is growing in Russia (see: [[Growth of Protestantism in Russia]]).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:50, 8 February 2020 (EST)
:#Northwest and I are both Catholic, so I would REALLY appreciate it if you didn't just call us "authoritarians" in an obviously bad manner. Besides, there are plenty of Protestants that can be labelled authoritarian or even totalitarian (and I of course mean the terms in a bad way), like the Puritans (heck, their seminal work, "Sinners at the Hands of an Angry God, depicted God as being far closer to a sadistic psychopath who utterly enjoys throwing people into Hell or even toying with throwing people into Hell, and only spares people on a mere whim, meaning that rendition fails to depict him as neither a loving nor even a just God, let alone both. And don't get me started on Oliver Cromwell, who arguably made the French Revolution the birthplace of totalitarianism possible after executing Charles, and was pretty much the reason why King Henry VIII took a slide into totalitarianism with his trying to have a male heir with his War of the Roses.), the English Episcopal Church (remember, King Henry VIII made that into his bully pulpit specifically to force Christianity to constantly remarry to get a son), and even Lutherans, the last example being the first Protestants in fact, so it's irresponsible to imply that Protestantism isn't authoritarian.
:#To everyone else, considering that half of congress already showed themselves it was under leftist control, that site might actually BE under leftist "deep state" control especially if it's the House of Representatives. Also, I was specifically referring to what Northwest was referring to. If the articles are backed up by places like PJMedia, Townhall, or Breitbart, or American Thinker, or New American, sure, feel free to use them. But when you insist on only those sources, and discounting PJMedia or anything else, then yes, you are trying to liberalize the site, which is unacceptable. And I've had personal experience with really horrible mods, like for example on Serebii.net forums and Bulbagarden forums. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 06:02, 8 February 2020 (EST)
::::About your first point, my initial reaction was ''"What on Earth is Pokeria1 talking about?"'' I never said anything about Catholicism. Then I realized you were bothered by Cons's edit, not mine. And I had ignored Cons's anti-Catholic bigotry when I had read it; I never take that stuff seriously. I do not harbor anti-Catholic bigotry. I know it's a cliché to say this, but some of my best friends are Catholic. And I am aware that Andy, you, Northwest, and many other CP contributors are Catholic.
::::Please let me set your mind at ease on this. Cons frequently writes things with no regard for the effect they will have on people, or, for that matter, what people will think. He does not seem to care what impression it will make on people when he writes incessantly and obsessively about [[Essay:_The_transitional_animal_the_flying_kitty%3F|"flying kitties"]], [[Essay:_Ponies_vs._atheism_-_Ponies_win|the comparative values of ponies and atheists]], [[Atheism_and_diabetes]], [[Atheists_and_physical_attractiveness]], and so on. And he's obsessed with the "Protestant work ethic", which is where a lot of his seeming anti-Catholic bigotry comes in. I recommend that you ignore all that. It's just Cons being Cons. Based on extensive email correspondence, I don't think he is actually an anti-Catholic bigot. He simply doesn't know how to express himself in a civilized manner. Which is too bad, because he's a smart person. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:47, 9 February 2020 (EST)
::::About your second point, my initial reaction was ''"Does he really want me to use a right-wing rag like PJMedia as a source for gravitational waves?"'' But, being open-minded, I looked around. Sure enough, PJMedia has an article [https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/02/13/why-we-need-the-arts-in-the-schools/] about gravitational waves (well, actually about the need for arts in the schools) which cited [https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-mozart-unlocked-a-galactic-secret this article], in the Daily beast, about Einstein and Mozart, and [https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/science/ligo-gravitational-waves-black-holes-einstein.html this article], in the New York Times, about the discovery of gravitational waves. So I have added the latter to the "Conservapedia proven right" item. I'm glad to know that you consider the New York Times to be an acceptable source, even if only indirectly. It's a small world. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:01, 9 February 2020 (EST)

==John McCain==
Rob Smith: I have reverted your additional negative comments about John McCain.
:"I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president," -- Gen. [[Wesley Clark]], June 30, 2008 as a surrogate for the Obama campaign.
:"They want us to forget the insults we've had to endure. Intolerance. They've made us feel marginalized in this country we love so much. John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces," -- 2008 Obama campaign ad.
It's well known that people say negative things about their opponents during election campaigns. And I'm not aware that Mr. McCain ran on a platform of having been a POW in North Vietnam, though I'm sure it got mentioned. My recollection is that he ran mostly on his legislative record. The two comments that I put on my user page were simply pure evil.

Feel free to take the material and put it into some kind of "McCaingate timeline" article, or whatever you want. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:28, 26 May 2018 (EDT)
:My apologies. I thought I'd help you appear to be a fair minded individual rather than standing by Democrat race baiting and hypocrisy. Again, my apologies. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 04:16, 27 May 2018 (EDT)
::Well, I thank you for your offer of help in keeping my talk page free of race baiting and hypocrisy. But I think the amount of race baiting that I do (zero) is just right. I'll be really careful not to engage in race baiting in the future. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 11:40, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

Rob's finding that I engaged in race-baiting in the John McCain tribute on my user page piqued my curiosity. I wondered "What is RobSmith's writing actually like?" I hadn't read any of it in many months, since he has lately been engaging in manic editing sprees that would put [[User:Conservative]] to shame. And the edit comments and article titles indicate that the edits must be rubbish on a par with Cons's writing. Worse than, for example [[Atheists_and_physical_attractiveness]]? Hard to say. I'd have to read that stuff.

So I picked one of Rob's edits at random: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Trump_transition&diff=1425318&oldid=1425317 this one]. He essentially added "... as millions of misogynist white women went to the polls on election day ..." to the Trump transition article. Huh?? In an ''encyclopedia''? One that prides itself on being trustworthy?

That edit was one of 211 edits, over a 30 hour period with just 3 breaks, of less than 5, 4, and 2 hours. That's the sort of thing that Rob considers worth spending his time on? By contrast, Cons made only 10 edits in that same time frame. Cons still has a long way to go, be he's making progress.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:22, 31 May 2018 (EDT)
:USA Today: [https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/09/27/john-mccain-ran-repealing-obamacare-he-broke-his-promise-robert-robb-column/708114001/ John McCain ran on repealing Obamacare. He broke his promise].

:John McCain is a petty, vindictive and unreliable man. He is a war hero though. McCain let his anger at Trump get the best of him (Trump's comment on his military service). I suppose this isn't the first or last time that a person of Irish descent let their anger get the best of them. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:08, 31 May 2018 (EDT)
::Cons, my friend, a couple of points. (You know me well enough to know when I'm reaming you out and when I'm just disagreeing, right? This is the latter.)
::*It's true that McCain's recent vote on healthcare was the opposite of what you, and many others, had hoped for. But people change their position between their campaigns and their final votes all the time. If everyone was required to vote exactly the way they campaigned, they wouldn't bother to hold votes in Congress. On the first day of the session, they would just enact into law whatever people had indicated they would do while they were running for office, no? Then they could all go home. In reality, they hold committee hearings, they hold conferences, they try to reach consensus, they try to persuade their colleagues ("log-rolling", I believe it's called), they rewrite the proposed legislation again and again and again, trying to get it into a form that will pass the voting. What people vote on is often not what the issues were perceived to be when they were campaigning. You really shouldn't call McCain unreliable for this. (By the way, I'm kind of neutral on this issue, and I haven't compared McCain's vote with what the issue was when he was campaigning.) I'm sorry that his vote disappointed you, but these things happen. That's why we have a Congress.
::*Petty and vindictive? Are you suggesting that he voted that way because of personal animosity at President Trump? That his "anger ... got the best of him?" Really? His anger over the "I want people who weren't shot down" comment from a year before is what led to his vote? Can you back up that connection with some statements of his?
::*I know you are not a bigot, but the reference to people of Irish descent was unnecessary. People occasionally let their anger get the best of them all the time. And I doubt that it's related to being Irish. (Though, truth to tell, this isn't the first time I've heard a statement like that.) I don't associate irascibility with being Irish. BTW, I'm not Irish, and I'm pretty sure you aren't either. Just say that he let his anger get the best of him. Though I don't think it did.
::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:14, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
"The so-called Irish temperament is a mixture of flaming ego, hot temper, stubbornness, great personal charm and warmth, and a wit that shines through adversity. An irrepressible buoyancy, a vivacious spirit, a kindliness and tolerance for the common frailties of man and a feeling that 'it is time enough to bid the devil good morning when you meet him' are character traits which Americans have associated with their Irish neighbors for more than a century." - Dr. Carl Wittke, Chair, History Department, Western Reserve University, 1952-1962.[https://lasvegassun.com/news/1997/mar/17/where-i-stand-irish-a-mix-of-ego-stubbornness-grea/][https://immigration.procon.org/view.source.php?sourceID=008659] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:15, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
:OK, you win. I've also been told that the Irish are known for their humor. In any case, well played, sir! [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:32, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
::My sincerest dream for America is that we can once again have a sane and realistic enough public discourse to admit that we can, at least partially, attribute somebody's temper to their Irish heritage. And that, yes, [[Valerie Jarrett]] really does look like that one monkey lady from ''Planet of the Apes''. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 02:51, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
:::You never cease to amaze me. Not well played. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:08, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

'''''USA Today'' (reprinted from The Arizona Republic, opinion piece):'''

"This is one instance in which President Trump’s criticisms of McCain are well-founded. McCain did run, as Trump is drumming, on a strong repeal-and-replace platform. In fact, it was the principal distinction he drew with his Democratic opponent, Ann Kirkpatrick.

McCain now says that Democrats made a mistake in passing Obamacare on a partisan basis, and that Republicans shouldn’t undo it on a similarly partisan basis. But that’s the equivalent of a Brezhnev doctrine on domestic policy. Democrats can enact legislation on a partisan basis. But Republicans can undo it only if Democrats agree.

McCain is undoubtedly correct that bipartisan policy changes are more enduring. But when one side acts unilaterally, it shouldn’t get a veto when the other side attempts to undo it."[https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/09/27/john-mccain-ran-repealing-obamacare-he-broke-his-promise-robert-robb-column/708114001/]

'''IrishCentral.com:'''

"An article on McCain in Prospect Magazine from August 2008 saw writer Anatol Lieven attribute many of Sen. McCain's traits to his heritage. Lieven wrote, "his obstinacy; his tendency towards unshakeable friendship and implacable hatred; his hair-trigger temper; his deep patriotism; his obsession with American honor; and his furious response to any criticism of the US.""[https://www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/john-and-cindy-mccain-s-irish-roots-what-you-need-to-know]

"In the end, Irish American McCain took revenge for Trump's deadly attack on him last year calling him no hero because he was captured in Vietnam."[https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/irish-american-john-mccain-proves-revenge-is-a-dish-best-eaten-cold]

'''''The New York Times:'''''

''The New York Times'' admits: "It probably didn’t hurt that it was also a measure of cold revenge against Mr. Trump, a man who on the campaign trail in 2015 had mocked Mr. McCain’s ordeal as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. "[https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/us/john-mccains-real-return.html] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:19, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

:Trump's blunder was that he did not know his enemy. In a divided country where U.S. Senate votes can be close, creating a bitter enemy in the U.S. Senate was definitely not smart. Trump should have merely said that military service should be respected, but being a war hero does not give someone a free pass to do whatever they want or make them immune from legitimate criticism. In the 2016 election, Trump may have gotten more votes from veterans had he done that. In addition, perhaps McCain would not have voted against ObamaCare.

:The ''Independent'': "When he arrived for the vote McCain, who could easily have pleaded ill-health and simply stayed out of the whole thing, told assembled reporters to '''“wait for the show”'''.(bolding added for emphasis)".[https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-john-mccain-obamacare-revenge-voted-no-vietnam-war-obama-a7864701.html]

:McCain's vote was a showy vote of revenge. Had he not campaigned so strongly against ObamaCare previously, a more convincing counterargument could be made. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:35, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

::Well played again!! You do your homework on current events and contemporary U.S. politics as diligently as I do my homework on math and physics. I'd '''much''' rather read your writings on current events than on why potholes show that evolution didn't happen. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:42, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
:::You make too many mistakes for ''that'' to be true. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 23:04, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Ireland, Scotland and the USA gave a significantly higher GDP than Britain.[https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html] It helps to have a fighting spirit that drives the British from your land! Don't get the Scotch-Irish or the Americans mad![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:51, 22 June 2018 (EDT)

== Inactivity? ==

Your user page says you will be inactive for 66 days, until late August. Did something change, or did you forget about it? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:51, 15 July 2018 (EDT)

== re: Having an article related to attractiveness and a segment of the human population ==
[[File:Bvdy76.jpg|thumbnail|right|200px|"<s>Of course, we do not deny evolutionism itself."[https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il] - [[Kim Jong-il]], an overweight, unattractive leftist, evolutionist and atheist who died of a heart attack. See also: [[Evolutionists who have had problems with being overweight and/or obese]] and [[Atheism and obesity]]
 
 
Truly knowledgeable individuals in terms of knowledge about biology and science properly regulate a basic function such as eating and also get an adequate amount of exercise!!!]]
[[Carrie Nation]], a radical member of the temperance movement, used to go into taverns and wreak havoc with a hatchet. Since you appear to see no value as far as attractiveness when it comes to people's appearances, have you ever thought of going around beauty parlors and wreaking havoc with a hatchet? You could also lead protests outside of beauty parlors. You could lead a movement to ban beauty contests.

For thousands of years, cultures have valued beauty. Even the Bible comments on [[Sarah]]'s beauty. [[Solomon]]'s [[Song of Songs]] mentions beauty.

And yet, a petulant liberal complains about an article on [[Atheists and physical attractiveness]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:01, 6 September 2018 (EDT)

:By the way, given that the social science data indicates that right-wing individuals are better looking than left of center individuals, is the reason you take umbrage at the article due to jealousy?
:Deny that [[Donald Trump]] is taller and better looking than the godless, leftist and evolutionist [[Kim Jong-un]] and lose all credibility!

:"Of course, we do not deny evolutionism itself."[https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-il] - [[Kim Jong-il]], an overweight, unattractive leftist/evolutionist/atheist who died of a heart attack. See also: [[Evolutionists who have had problems with being overweight and/or obese]] and [[Atheism and obesity]]

:Truly knowledgeable individuals, in terms of knowledge about biology and science, properly regulate a basic function such as eating and also get an adequate amount of exercise!!![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:17, 6 September 2018 (EDT)
=== Meet PZ Myers, the overweight and unattractive atheist/evolutionist/leftist ===
[[File:PZ Myers pic.jpg|thumbnail|275px|center|The biologist and evolutionist [[PZ Myers]] in 2006. Myers is also a staunch atheist. See also: [[Atheism and obesity]]
 
 
For further information, please see: [[Essay: PZ Myers embarrasses himself at the Creation Museum|PZ Myers embarrasses himself at the Creation Museum]] and [[Essay: Professor PZ Myers fails his applied biology course|Professor PZ Myers fails his applied biology course]] ]]</s>
{{clear}}

== User: Conservative proven right again! ==

<s>At the 2018 [[American Atheists]] convention, the ex-president of the American Atheist organization [[David Silverman]] declared:
{{Cquote|It is a hard time to be [[Atheist activist|an atheist activist]]. This has affected us. And it has affected our community...

...it has really affected us. We are suffering a level of [[defeatism]] that I have never seen before...

We feel the loss. And we feel like we have lost. We feel like [[Donald Trump and American atheists|we lost the election]]... We see this cascade of attack coming down at us over and over from all different directions and we feel like it's over. I have heard so many times it makes me sick. It makes me sad. It feels like we lost.

The [[Atheism and apathy|apathy that follows]]. It doesn't matter. We can't win anyways. It's useless to fight. This apathy is infecting us. It's hurting us.

And people are reacting to each other now. And so that is [[Atheist factions|causing a division]]. Lots and lots of division in our movement. Hard, bad division... And that has resulted in a splintering and factioning of the movement that I have never seen before and none of us have.

In other words, '''we're in a bad situation and it's getting worse.''' (bolding added for emphasis).<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8VYLMYvImc David Silverman - How the Mighty Get Back Up]</ref>}}

Didn't I tell you that each successive year was going to be the WORST year for atheism? It's coming to pass! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:57, 9 September 2018 (EDT)</s>

== Re: Religious people and Donald Trump ==

So, [https://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/06/30/atheism-is-rising-but/ this article from a liberal-leaning anti-Trump website] (as it makes clear [https://www.the-american-interest.com/2018/05/23/defining-the-american-interest/ in its About Us page]) is your source in your latest anti-Trump attack on your user page (which claims in effect, "religiously observant Christians were least likely to be seduced by Donald Trump’s “post-truth” style politics in the GOP primary")? You do realize that liberal-biased websites like the one you linked, like the rest of the liberal media, are more likely to lie and make baseless and unsourced claims about the targets of their attacks, right? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 04:05, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

:Oh, my! I do seem to attract the attention of junior "assistant sysops". Ordinary contributors have better things to do than attack me, and actual admins do too. In fact, there are a few traits that I've noticed in assistants such as yourself and Vargas "embraces the pseudoscience that leavens science too tightly to be trusted"<ref>https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Parrot#No_Credit_Where_Credit_is_Not_Due</ref> Milan. An example was Vargas bringing me in to a discussion of FredJ with a [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Karajou&diff=1450367&oldid=1450282 comment that actually had nothing to do with me], simply because I had welcomed FredJ and advised him not to use "fact" tags. And, of course, there is your comment above.

:A striking trait that assistants seem to display is the tendency to think that they, and apparently only they, can police the "ideological purity" of the web site. In fact, the admins can control the ideological content of CP; they don't need your help in this regard. Your efforts are plainly on display in the fight over the [[Pussy Riot]] article, in which you seem to accuse me of turning the place into "liberalpedia". Apparently because you believe that anyone who opposes a murderous dictator who imprisons, murders, and poisons dissenters, must be a "leftist", "elitist" or "social justice warrior". I can assure everyone that I have no intention of trying to turn this web site into "liberalpedia".

:Now, to address the most recent claim (just above) that I am citing a "liberal-leaning anti-Trump website", I don't go searching for liberal web sites in order to post references to them here at Conservapedia. The web site that I was citing was taken from footnote number 4 of [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:_Attention_atheists:_You_don%27t_own_the_internet&oldid=1449976 this]. That was put in by Cons. So you'll have to ask him why he was putting in "left-wing" web sites. I figured that, if it's good enough for Cons, it's good enough for Conservapedia, and if he doesn't actually read the articles that he cites, that's his problem.

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:03, 28 September 2018 (EDT)

::Sounds more to me like you're trying to make this more about yourself (indicated by your pretended "offence" at the truth being pointed out to you in your reply) to distract from your history of trying to ideologically reshape Conservapedia to suit your tastes and those of your fellow liberals (as well as the liberal trolls who come here for the sole purpose of vandalizing the site, along with your denial of doing so), particularly regarding the Pussy Riot article (a fight which ''you'' started, by the way). All you're doing here is further proving the points being made in the [[Liberal Style]] article regarding what your type does and how they react (acting "offended", not taking responsibility, etc.) and what they resort to (denials, deflection, condescension, attacking those who catch them, etc. - all of which you've pulled on other editors and admins here before, in case you need reminding again) when caught at their actions. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 20:14, 28 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Well, people do sometimes get accused of talking or writing about themselves, and seeming to make everything about "me, me, me", and using a lot of first-person pronouns in their writing. I've been accused of that myself on occasion, but it doesn't seem to apply in the case of the paragraphs above. You, on the other hand, seem to write about "liberals, liberals, liberals", and accusing anyone who says something you don't agree with of being one. This is most obvious in your claim that anyone who opposes murderous thug Vladimir Putin must be a "leftist", "elitist" or "social justice warrior". And must be trying to change this site into "liberalpedia". Anyone who has been around here for any length of time knows that, in my 10-1/2 years here, I don't do that. Feel free to ask any admin, like Andy or Cons, for example. Or, for that matter, any trustworthy and decent person that's been around for any length of time. They can also tell you that I have repaired a lot of vandalism and other damage, though probably not as much as I could have repaired if I'd been given sysop powers.

:::Now let's go through your paragraph above.

::::Sounds more to me like you're trying to make this more about yourself (indicated by your pretended "offence" at the truth being pointed out to you in your reply)
:::::I'm not offended, just annoyed.
::::to distract from your history of trying to ideologically reshape Conservapedia to suit your tastes
:::::Really? Give an example. Opposing Putin is not ''my'' taste; it is the taste of any decent person.
::::and those of your fellow liberals
:::::Huh?
::::(as well as the liberal trolls who come here for the sole purpose of vandalizing the site,
:::::We are all aware that this site is the frequent target of vandalism. I've done my share of repairing this.
::::along with your denial of doing so),
:::::I don't deny that there are vandals.
::::particularly regarding the Pussy Riot article (a fight which ''you'' started, by the way).
:::::Well, actually, you were the one who started it, with your edit of 08:14, 13 February 2017.
::::All you're doing here is further proving the points being made in the [[Liberal Style]] article
:::::No, that article has nothing to do with me. It's incredibly badly written, by the way.
::::regarding what your type does
:::::My type? What type is that?
::::and how they react (acting "offended", not taking responsibility, etc.)
:::::I fail to take responsibility? Given an example.
::::and what they resort to (denials,
:::::really?
::::deflection,
:::::really?
::::condescension,
:::::really?
::::attacking
:::::really?
::::those who catch them, etc.
:::::You've "caught" me? You realize that everything on this site is public, right?
::::all of which you've pulled on other editors and admins here before,
:::::Really? Give an example.
::::in case you need reminding again) when caught at their actions.
:::::Really? Give an example.

:::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:57, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

::::The rambling wall of text you posted (where you do exactly as I said you'd do on all counts, including deny your repeated past wrongdoing and refuse to take responsibility for it, and even try to push a liberal POV here while you simultaneously deny doing so - all liberal traits) is proof enough - and no, I was ''not'' the one who started that fight, ''you'' did [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Pussy_Riot&diff=1313984&oldid=1307294 by removing factual info from the article on March 2, 2017] (just as you're trying to provoke another fight even now). By even objecting to the Liberal Style article (by claiming it is "badly written" when it is nothing of the kind), all you're doing is further proving the points made by that article.

::::And incidentally, the reason you don't get given sysop powers here is because if that happened, you'd most certainly abuse them by misusing them to force a liberal POV on articles and blocking those you don't agree with here (which would mean just about every conservative-leaning editor here), which would result in even more fights here than you already cause and would only be disruptive to the site - and that's not needed here. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 18:46, 1 October 2018 (EDT)

:::::Your presumption to know the reason I don't have assistant ("sysop") authority is incorrect. I do not want block powers, and I have said so many times over the last 10-1/2 years. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:57, 25 December 2018 (EST)

== Resurrection - The new and improved version of the phantom essay ==

*[[Essay: The thrill of Christian victory and the agony of atheist defeat|The thrill of Christian victory and the agony of atheist defeat]]

I hope you find that the added content further clarifies matters.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:24, 24 December 2018 (EST)

:Well, I'm glad you have apparently decided that this "essay" should become a permanent part of your work. I was worried for a while that you considered it to be some silly "throwaway" thing. It's really one of your most charming things, mostly because of the really nice picture of the two kids. Though it's not clear to me that they are cheering over the victory of Christianity. They might be exulting over having won something in a computer game they are playing. Or maybe cheering over having posted something stupid, perhaps involving cats, or maybe gerbils, on social media. Or maybe they are cheering about having successfully vandalized Conservapedia. :-) You never know.

:But its not possible that your added content "clarifies matters". I'd have to read the article. You see, I don't read your articles. I just look at the pictures. And this was a nice picture.

:Now, I have a bone to pick with you over your flippant use of the word "resurrection". I've never liked the use of that word other than in the context of Jesus. Here you are talking about having undeleted a file on a wiki.
::And they gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.
::And they did a "delete page" operation on him, and parted his garments. And they "changed visibility of 3 revisions" on him.
::But on the third day they "restored his page".

:Not right.

:Be that as it may, have a Merry Christmas.

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:57, 25 December 2018 (EST)

::"The act or fact of bringing someone back to life, or bringing something back into use or existence."- Cambridge Dictionary[https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/resurrection]

::I hope the Queen's English helps clarify things for you.:)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:05, 25 December 2018 (EST)

:::Yes, I know English pretty well, and I did not need to look at your dictionary reference. I know that "resurrect" is often used in a secular sense. But it still sort of bothers me that you use it in a totally flippant and childish article. And I notice that you are continuing to mess around with that article, among other things, vaping/memory-holing 45 versions at a time. Can't you make up your mind? Is there something about those vaped versions that embarrasses you? Jesus was only crucified and resurrected once.

:::And speaking of childish, I speculated above on the possibility that those children "might be exulting over having won something in a computer game they are playing." Well, I was right. The picture is from https://pixabay.com/en/children-win-success-video-game-593313/. They were '''not''' celebrating "The thrill of Christian victory", as your caption says.

:::Do you think Christianity is a video game?

:::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:03, 25 December 2018 (EST)
== re: Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages ==

This page [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages]] at Conservapedia needs to have a section on how to create quotes.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:23, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Thanks for the suggestion. I'm busy just now, but I'll get to it. The usefulness of this was brought to my attention by some recent comments about the various templates or whatever. Something about one of the templates being changed. So I need to do some research into this. Do You by any chance know where that discussion was? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:28, 10 January 2019 (EST)

::I hope you don't mind me cutting in. The hubbub you heard in regard to quote templates was just that I added some documentation to [[:template:Cquote]] but also accidentally added a category outside of the noinclude tags, so all the pages using that template were suddenly in [[:Category:Quotation Templates]]. I have since fixed the issue.
::We do seem to have three different quotation templates, so I have wondered if there is a specific policy or it is more a matter of preference, save the discussion about Cquote. Anyway, I hope this clarifies and saves you some time. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:02, 11 January 2019 (EST)

:::Right. I'm awfully busy these days, but I'll get to it. I have a personal stake in having these quote templates documents, since I use them and typically have to look around for examples of my, and other people's, work to figure out how to proceed. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:47, 17 January 2019 (EST)

I'm ready to go. Please unlock this page. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 11:37, 19 January 2019 (EST)

== I recreated the article and removed the duplicate content ==

I deleted [[User:SamHB/Cons Christian victory Dec+27+2018]] because I recreated the article at: [[Essay: The thrill of Christian victory and the agony of atheist defeat]].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:32, 13 January 2019 (EST)

:OK. I'm going to have to reorganize my "rogues' gallery of things you have vaped"; I have a significant backlog already. You could help by not vaping things, recognizing that '''The Internet is Forever''', and perhaps not writing things you will later be ashamed of. Just sayin' [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:47, 17 January 2019 (EST)
::It is not a matter of being ashamed, it is rather a matter of material being funny vs. non-funny or effective or ineffective.

::One of the reasons why Chess computers can beat chessmasters is because the machines don't have big egos and can pullback from an ineffective chess attack.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff4W7A-j1RM] Computers change course when it is warranted.

::If I decide I don't like some of my material in retrospect, I delete/vape it.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:59, 3 February 2019 (EST)

== Vindication is sweet ==

*[https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/06/crumbling-britain-uk-s-pothole-plague-sign-national-decline Crumbling Britain: the UK’s pothole plague is a sign of national decline], ''New Statesman'', June 13, 2018

Even the British ''New Statesman'' admits that the UK pothole crisis is a sign of national decline.

See also: [[United Kingdom's road repair crisis]]

I hope the ''New Statesman'' article helped clarify things for you.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:34, 13 January 2019 (EST)

:Right. The things you send me in the hopes that they "clarify things" for me rarely have the desired effect, to say the least. But keep trying.

:I may create an article on causation vs. correlation. Including such examples as potholes vs. Darwin's homeland. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:47, 17 January 2019 (EST)

:::[Some material was put in here and then vaped a short time later (before I could catch it), with the edit comment "I think I will be editing less at this wiki". That person then made 30 more edits within a fairly short span of time. People would do well not to make edits that they are going to be ashamed of later.]

==Name-calling -- "making a fool of oneself"==

I was recently accused of name-calling, when I told Cons to stop "[https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly#Message_to_SamHB making a fool of himself]". According to [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/make%20a%20fool%20of%20oneself Merriam-Webster], "making a fool of oneself" simply means "behav[ing] in a very foolish or silly way". That's not the same as being a fool—we all do foolish things from time to time. I intended no name-calling, and I apologize to anyone who took my comment as such.

I try to avoid name-calling, such as calling people
*[[Atheism_and_stealing|thieves]], particularly [[Irreligion_and_car_theft|car thieves]]
*[[Prominent,_militant_atheists_and_short_men|short]]
*[[Essay:_Militant_atheism_and_short_man's_syndrome|short]]
*[[Atheists_and_physical_attractiveness|unattractive]]
*[[Essay:_Science_proves_that_atheist_"men"_lack_machismo|lacking in machismo]]
*[[Essay:_Science_proves_that_atheists_can't_jump|unable to jump]]
*[[Atheism_and_gluttony|gluttonous]]
*[[Essay:_Prominent_atheists_weighed_on_the_scales_and_found_wanting|obese]]
*[[Atheism_and_obesity|obese]]
*[[Atheism_and_evolutionary_racism|racist]]
*[[Atheism_and_incest|practicers of incest]]
*[[Atheism_and_necrophilia|necrophiliacs]]
*[[Atheism_and_cannibalism|cannibals]]
*[[Atheism_and_cowardice|cowards]]

and so on. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:44, 2 February 2019 (EST)

:SamHB, a 2016 press release of a University of Minnesota study on atheists reported: "Survey data collected in 2014 shows that, compared to data collected in 2003, Americans have sharpened their negative views of atheists.."[https://cla.umn.edu/news-events/news/atheists-remain-most-disliked-religious-minority-us]

:In addition, according to a study published in the International Journal for The Psychology of Religion: "anti-atheist prejudice is not confined either to dominantly religious countries or to religious individuals, but rather appears to be a robust judgment about atheists."[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/anti-atheist-distrust-deeply-and-culturally-ingrained-study-finds-a6952276.html]

:For more information, please see: [[Views on atheists]] and [[Distrust of atheists]]

::This section is not about atheists; it is about name-calling. It has nothing to do with atheists or atheism.
::As I'm sure you know, I have absolutely no interest in the things you write about atheism. As I'm sure you know, this is because your writings about atheism, and nearly everything else you write, are simply the result of scouring the internet for anything you can find that might support whatever it is you're trying to say. As I'm sure you know, on a planet with 6 billion people expressing 6 billion opinions, you can find just about anything you want on the internet.

:I realize that you take exception to my atheism content, nevertheless it is undeniable that my atheism content gets significant web traffic. For example, my [[atheism and stealing]] article is merely about a month old and already it has over 2,200 page views.

:"All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved." - [[Sun Tzu]]

:In all seriousness, I do plan on changing some of my priorities. There are a number of worthy endeavors that I wish to pursue.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:53, 3 February 2019 (EST)

::Yes, please do that. You probably have more worthy endeavors than vaping your own edits to other people's talk pages. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:26, 3 February 2019 (EST)

== You should face reality and accept there is more than one editor who uses the User: Conservative account ==

SamHB, you are wrong. Most, if not all, the active Conservapedia admins know there is more than one User: Conservative editor. So does the owner of the website. On one or more occasions, I have received an email from one of the fellow admins saying, "Why did you do such and such?" I then explain it was one of the other editors of the User: Conservative account. And then I either reverse that co-editor of the User: Conservative account's decision or I explain his/her (I say his or her to keep the veil of mystery thicker) decision to my fellow admins. By the way, your objections are not cruel, they are just misguided and/or haughty/vain.

I hope this further clarifies matters for you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:23, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

:Just for further clarification: How many edits are done by the most prominent persona of your little posse: 90%? 99%? 99.9%? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:19, 7 April 2019 (EDT)
::Whether it is a little posse or large posse, I will not disclose. I will merely say the decision to have more than one editor use the account involved more than one consideration.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:01, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
:::I'll get to your outlandish claims of being multiple people, and the outlandish "proof" of this that you have been pushing (unsuccessfully) over the years, soon. Be patient. I have this thing called a "life" that sometimes gets in the way of any desire I might have to spend all my time writing stuff at Conservapedia. And a relativity issue has just come up, that needs to be attended to. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 10:21, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
::::SamHB, a majority of my online work has been related to atheism (or related issues such as [[evolutionism]]). Now that the [[atheist movement]] in the Western World has been burnt to a crisp and has been soundly defeated (see: [[Decline of the atheist movement]] and [[Decline of militant atheism in the West]]), my desire to have a protracted discussion about how many users use the [[User: Conservative]] account has waned. One thing I can say with absolute certainty, there is more than one editor who uses the User: Conservative account.

::::Second, if the owner of Conservapedia decides to bequeath control of Conservapedia in his waning years, unlike Conservapedia editors whose accounts will remain inactive after they meet their Maker, the Conservapedia account I created will live on. "Old soldiers never die, they simply fade away".[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:47, 8 April 2019 (EDT)
SamHB, I enabled other editors to use the User: Conservative account for these reasons: 1) [[Sun Tzu]] is considered by many as one of the greatest strategist/tacticians of all history. He said to be mysterious for various reasons. What could be more mysterious than multiple anonymous editors? 2) After TK passed away, his influence at this website obviously went down (I was never a fan of TK). It occurred to me that if a prominent editor has a "succession plan" in relation to his/her account, it would be a better thing for multiple reasons. 3) The amusement factor. Frankly, it is amusing to see people rail at the User: Conservative and construct armchair psychological analysis of the account when the fact is that the account has multiple editors which makes their foolish strategy of personal attacks rather impotent. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:54, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
:Let it go, man. Your real life identity is well known, and your writing / argumentation style is unmistakable. Hyraxes chewing the cud, etc. No amount of dissembling is going to change this.

:FFIW, though, your general sentence construction has improved considerably over the past few years. There's less repetition and far fewer redundant phrases than there used to be. Good work (seriously). [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 17:14, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
::There is more than one person who uses the User: Conservative account. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:04, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
::::No there isn't. No one believes you. You have been given many opportunities to show that there is more than one person, and you have notgiven a positive response to any of them. Not a single admin (these people might be in a position to know about this) has come forth to support your claim, nor has anyone else. All you do is write the same trash over and over again, sticking in different footnoting styles and such. But it's the same trash, a fact which anyone can see. Whether you use the "Q" in "LGBTQ", or whether you once used a diacritical mark, is irrelevant. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:54, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Fine. Have it your way. ''The real life identity of the primary user of the User:Conservative account is well known, and his writing / argumentation style is unmistakable. Hyraxes chewing the cud, etc. No amount of dissembling is going to change this.''

:::Happy now? [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 19:27, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
JohnZ, key question: Did the same person largely write these articles: [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] and [[Atheism and women]] and [[Homosexuality]]?

Please address both the writing and footnoting styles of the three articles. Also, address any quote box differences. In addition, address any differences in points of view.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:01, 11 April 2019 (EDT)
:Gosh. He didn't reply, either about the writing styles or about the footnoting styles. Perhaps this is because he considers those questions incredibly childish. Perhaps he's got better things to do. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:21, 11 October 2019 (EDT)

===Multiple personalities, part 1===
You have, for years, been claiming that the senior admins here know about your multiple personalities, and accept this behavior. (I know it's been going on for a couple of years; I can't be bothered to look it up just now, but I will if necessary.) I'd like you to prove it.

You recently said, in [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page#A_digression_on_muliple_personality_disorders], that "Most, if not all, the active Conservapedia admins know there is more than one User: Conservative editor. So does the owner of the website." Thats good to hear. If it's true. But I have my doubts. Why don't you have those admins (including Andy) put short posts here assuring all of us that what you say is true. Or, if you or they prefer, tell me so in private email—I happen to have, from time to time, had email conversations with a number of admins and we trust each other. So have them reassure us of their acceptance of this situation.

Another thing would be for you to post or forward any emails from these senior admins, indicating that they know about and accept this. If you (quite understandably) don't want to post those emails here in public, forward them to me at the email that we use for our extensive correspondence: sam4557@gmail.com. You know that I can be trusted with our confidential conversations.

===Multiple personalities, part 2===
You also said, in the same place, "On one or more occasions, I have received an email from one of the fellow admins saying, 'Why did you do such and such?' I then explain it was one of the other editors of the User: Conservative account. And then I either reverse that co-editor of the User: Conservative account's decision or I explain his/her (I say his or her to keep the veil of mystery thicker) decision to my fellow admins." So this is the excuse you hide behind when the other admins overrule your actions? Wouldn't it be more straightforward simply to accept that what you had written was inappropriate? Also, can you post or forward some of the emails in which the other admins take you to task, and the emails in which you explain his/her decision?

===Multiple personalities, part 3===
Another thing you have been doing for years, in support of this multiple personality fantasy, is claiming that it is proved by inconsistent footnoting style in your articles. This, too, is discussed at some length in [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page#A_digression_on_muliple_personality_disorders]. So let me get this straight: You are intentionally using inconsistent footnoting style for the purpose of "proving" that you are multiple people? You are using '''your own writing''' as evidence in this case? Writing that you can, of course manipulate any way you wish, to make any point you wish? And you expect the rest of us to believe that? In the real world that would be called "fabricating evidence". Wouldn't it be more straightforward just to fix the inconsistent styles?

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:28, 13 April 2019 (EDT)
=== From User: Conservative to SamHB: My additional responses to SamHB about more than one editor using the User: Conservative account ===

The other admins at Conservapedia either agree with my decision to expand the editor base of the User: Conservative account or they tolerate it or they are ambivalent (I really haven't deeply queried them about this matter).
::::I don't believe you. I see no evidence that the other admins, or any other people, accept that you have "expanded the editor base" of your account. Just saying it again and again and again and again doesn't make it any more convincing. You have utterly failed to substantiate this claim, a claim you have been making for years. I would think you would be able to come up with some evidence by now. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:40, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
After all is said and done, they see that Andy Schlafly is not making a big stink about it so they are ok with it.
::::Perhaps the reason Andy isn't making a big stink about it is that it doesn't matter how many people you say you are. Perhaps he doesn't care who is behind your keyboard. Perhaps he sees this whole situation as amusing but irrelevant to anything he cares about. Perhaps he doesn't care whether you are being truthful. Perhaps the other admins have a similar view, and just don't care whether you are being truthful.

As far as Andy Schlafly goes, he knows there are more than one editor of the User: Conservative account and he tolerates it.
::::I don't believe you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:40, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
He is not excited about it despite the fact that account could potentially remain active upon my demise. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:39, 13 April 2019 (EDT)
:Here is an excerpt from an email I sent other admins on Jun 30, 2018, 9:02 AM: "Given that another editor of my User: Conservative account unblocked him, I think he was hoping would be unblocked again. That is not going to happen."[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:50, 13 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't know whether to believe you. Saying things like "Given that another editor of my User: Conservative account ..." doesn't convince me of anything. You make such statements all the time, in public on this web site, so it doesn't surprise me that you would make them in private emails also. How about posting (or forwarding to sam4557@gmail.com) the full message, with headers intact so that I can closely examine its authenticity, showing that the recipient acknowledged that your account is actually used by multiple people. Just saying that you said this is no more convincing than saying it directly. Which you do again and again and again and again. I want acknowledgement of this from someone else. By having them post something to that effect on this web site, or send me email to that effect. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:40, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
::SamHB, did you notice that editor of the [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] used the term LGBTQ. Personally, I think the Q is rather redundant so I am not a fan of this term. How often was the term LGBTQ used in other articles created by the User: Conservative account? Of course, this is yet another sign there is more than one editor of the User: Conservative account.

::And then there are the stylistic issues of: the footnoting style differences; the quote box differences; the greater tendency to put footnotes in the middle of sentences; the multiple use of the word gay in the article which is a term I rarely use; the dependent clause "as such" used in the beginning of a sentence which I believe I have never done in any of my writings at Conservapedia and finally the multiple use of the word "régime" in the article/page (I may have used the term "regime" in my articles but I never spelled it "régime").
::::We've been through this before. You write articles in which you deliberately use varying styles, and then you claim that that proves you are multiple people? Really? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:40, 25 April 2019 (EDT)

::SamHB, it's time to face that more than one editor has used the User: Conservative account.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:30, 13 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I don't believe you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:40, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
:::Have you noticed that User: Karajou, who commonly uses check user, has never disputed the notion that more than one editor has used (or uses) the User: Conservative account?[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:14, 14 April 2019 (EDT)
::::I haven't actually noticed the connection between your multiple-personality fantasy and checkuser. There's a very simple explanation for the fact that none of the people with checkuser rights sees anything amiss. All your edits come from the same person, at the same IP address. Nothing for Karajou to notice or comment on. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:40, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
I listened to a video of a hardcore, no nonsense, high performance coach yesterday. He said not to care about what other people think, but to just move forward and do the right things. That is excellent advice! Sorry to hear that you don't believe that more than one editor uses the User: Conservative account. But frankly, I don't care! I hope this helps clarifies things for you. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:20, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::Well, it clarifies that you are making no attempt to convince people of your multiple personalities. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:54, 29 April 2019 (EDT)

== And accept there is more than one editor who uses the User: SamHB account ==
HEY EVERYBODY! MORE THAN ONE PERSON USES THE SAMHB ACCOUNT! I'M ONE OF THE OTHER PEOPLE. I KNOW YOU'RE SKEPTICAL OF THIS, BUT I HAVE PROOF. WE HAVE DIFFERENT WRITING STYLES. CAN YOU FIGURE IT OUT? BY GEORGE, YOU'VE GOT IT. I WRITE IN ALL CAPS. ISN'T THAT CUTE? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:38, 13 April 2019 (EDT)

== Not any more there isn't ==
I have just changed my password and revoked Samantha's permission to edit under my account. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:39, 13 April 2019 (EDT)

== Announcements concerning the User: Conservative editor team ==

Two announcements:

1. This month saw an expansion of the number of editors in the [[User: Conservative]] editor team.
::Right. It's been raised to te 6th power. Thanks for clarifying that for me. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:54, 29 April 2019 (EDT)

2. One of the editors of User: Conservative team was given an update as far as the password for User: Conservative account as the account has periodic password updates.
::Right. You've been making periodic password changes (always a good idea), and it just now occurred to you to let one (just one?) of your alternate personalities know about it. Thanks for clarifying that for me. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:54, 29 April 2019 (EDT)

By the way, I have finally figured out your steadfast refusal to accept the fact that more than one editor uses the account. Of course, it is jealousy. Deep down you want to be a member of the User: Conservative editor team![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:20, 27 April 2019 (EDT)
::Right. Your actions certainly entertain my "armchair psychological analysis" proclivities. Actually becoming one of your alternate personalities is certainly an intriguing thought. Thanks for clarifying that for me. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:54, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Hang on - Conservative is a bunch of different people? How is it there are a bunch of people who ALL have the same verbal style and have all the same rhetorical tics. Seems unlikely to me. [[User:JohnSelway|JohnSelway]] ([[User talk:JohnSelway|talk]]) 02:50, 30 April 2019 (EDT)

== Number of editors using the User: Conservative account ==

[[File:Apocalypse vasnetsov 4 horsemen.jpg|thumbnail|400px|center|The User: Conservative account was launched around the birth of the [[New Atheism]] movement. The New Atheism movement had four horsemen. Namely, [[Richard Dawkins]], [[Christopher Hitchens]], [[Daniel Dennett]], and [[Sam Harris]]. With the newly minted editor being given the username and password of the User: Conservative account, the User: Conservative account now consists of four individuals. The new editor of the User: Conservative account, however, cannot be a fourth horseman of the User: Conservative account. Why? Because the fourth horse of [[Revelation]] is a pale/ashen horse named Death. And is you many know, the [[atheist movement]] already died before he/she was made an editor (See: [[Decline of the atheist movement]]).]]
{{Clear}}
Well gosh. I've been trying for months (years?) to get you to convince me, or anyone else, that multiple people use your account and make Conservapedia contributions under your name.

When you produce, as "evidence", your claim that various sysops and admins know about this, and I ask you to produce the emails or other validating information, you change the subject. When you repeatedly and obsessively repeat, to me and others, that your writings do not all have identical styles (including footnoting differences, knowledge of what the "Q" in "LGBTQ" means, or different use of diacritical marks), and I point out that anyone can manipulate their own writing style to get that effect, you change the subject.

And now I see that there is a very simple ironclad proof that you are 4 people—an 1887 painting by Viktor Vasnetsov. So there are 4 people, corresponding to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, in your "collective". How could I not have seen that before? It's so simple and straightforward now. Thank you, as usual, for clarifying that for me. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 13:21, 26 May 2019 (EDT)

== A message I left on User: JohnZ's talk page ==

I left the following message on User: JohnZ's talk page:

:"By the way, the User: Conservative account is a mixture of Protestant/Catholic editors (I have asked the Catholic editors to refrain from anti-Protestant posts using the User: Conservative account). A message from one of the User: Conservative Catholic editors to the British atheist JohnZ: Deus vult![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:52, 29 April 2019 (EDT)"

I trust this further clarifies the number of editors using the User: Conservative account.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:29, 29 April 2019 (EDT)
== [[Essay: The unfree city of Boston, Massachusetts and its rat infestation problem|The unfree city of Boston, Massachusetts and its rat infestation problem]] ==

[[File:Rat.jpg|center|thumbnail|205px|[[Boston]], which is the capital and most populous city of the Commonwealth of [[Massachusetts]], is one of the ten most rat infested cities of the world.[http://www.animalplanet.com/wild-animals/3-baltimore-md/]
 
 
As you are probably aware, rat infestation is a sign of societal decay. More orderly societies like [[Switzerland]], which is a beacon of [[young earth creationism]] in [[Europe]], simply don't have significant rat infestation problems.[https://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2013/06/switzerland-beacon-of-european.html]
 
 
It's not too late to leave the [[Essay: Free States Movement|unfree state of Massachusetts]] and move to a more orderly, rat free area that enjoys the blessings of liberty.]]
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=== Swissinfo.ch: Rats save lives in landmine-infested areas ===

*[https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/lifesavers-landmines-explosives-rats-cambodia-deadly/44928164 Swissinfo.ch: Rats save lives in landmine-infested areas]

(Swiss neutrality has insured that Switzerland is not a landmine-infested area needing the assistance of rats)

== SamHB vs. User: Conservative. SamHB badly loses again ==

[[User: Conservative]] wrote: 7-11-2017 Newsweek article: ''Why American Conservatives Love Anti-Gay Putin''. Putin's workouts have more machismo than Obama's too.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcb4rLzXFl0] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6i0Z0hCIzo][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LggcoH1VHo] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:13, 2 August 2019 (EDT)

SamHB wrote: "Well, this sure started a lively discussion! It was gratifying to see so many people come out and do the things that we each do so well. I look forward to seeing the videos of Donald Trump showing off his athletic prowess. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:36, 3 August 2019 (EDT)".

According to liberal/left leaning Wikipedia: "Golf is a club-and-ball sport in which players use various clubs to hit balls into a series of holes on a course in as few strokes as possible."[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Golf&oldid=909235827]

According to ''Golf Digest'': "My main memory of playing golf with Donald Trump—preserved with more care now that he's the president—is that he really went after the ball hard. But the interesting thing is that though Trump's action might have looked a little reckless, it soon became clear that it was quite under control... Trump was 67 when I played with him in 2013 at his course outside Charlotte and in early 2014 at Doral, but he still possessed a significant remnant of big-man athleticism... As a golfer, the 45th president is the real deal."[https://www.golfdigest.com/story/how-good-is-donald-trump-the-golfer]

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_kq84r4lqo VIDEO: ''Golf Digest'': Trump vs. Obama]. According to ''Golf Digest'', Trump is the better golfer! Specifically, ''Golf Digest'' said that Trump was the "best golfer ever to hold the presidency."[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_kq84r4lqo]

I hope this clarifies the issue of whether Trump has more machismo than Obama.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:01, 4 August 2019 (EDT)
:By the way, once ObamaCare disappears, Trump's victory over Obama will be complete![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:03, 4 August 2019 (EDT)

== Best and fastest way to create an ex-homosexual ==

In 1980 a study was published in the ''American Journal of Psychiatry'' and eleven men participated in this study. The study reported that eleven homosexual men became heterosexuals "without explicit treatment and/or long-term psychotherapy" through their participation in a Pentecostal church.[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7435713] The Apostle Paul in a letter to the church of Corinth indicated that Christians were able to overcome being homosexuals through the power of Jesus Christ (I Corinthians 6:9-11). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:29, 4 September 2019 (EDT)

== Atheistic Troll ==

According to my [[User_talk:Wikignome72#Why?|exchange]] with [[User:Conservative]] / [[User:Wikignome72]], he just lost (temporarily) the access to his account ("''The other editor of the account reset the password''" - so there is only one other user). Perhaps an intervention by a concerned friend or relative? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:14, 26 September 2019 (EDT)
:Somewhat the "exchange" mentioned above got erased - perhaps to save valuable memory space. Nevertheless, I just reprint it here:
::{{cquote|Why?
Just why? And please, don't quote Sun Tzu. --AugustO (talk) 18:48, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

Did the creationist Dwight D. Eisenhower tell the German evolutionist Adolf Hitler why he did things or his future plans? Nein!Wikignome72 (talk) 18:56, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
:If you just forgot User:Conservative's password, you probably can ask Andy to reset it. It's quite irritating to have a wiki gnome making substantial edits - like having a user calling himself robot. (BTW: happy 47th birthday! ;-) ) --AugustO (talk) 18:53, 24 September 2019 (EDT)
::There is more than one editor of the User: Conservative account. The other editor of the account reset the password. I will get the new password from that person down the pike. In the meantime, I will make an edit on the User page so there is not an unsightly red username in the recent changes to the wiki page.Wikignome72 (talk) 18:58, 24 September 2019 (EDT)
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--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:35, 26 September 2019 (EDT)

“The whole secret lies in confusing the enemy, so that he cannot fathom our real intent.” - Sun Tzu, ''The Art of War''. Donald Trump (who quoted Sun Tzu on Twitter) and [[User:Conservative]]dom, are both unpredictable. Get used to it! I realize this may be upsetting to a certain editor who has a Germanic love of rules and predictability, but this is going to be the way it is![[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 19:47, 26 September 2019 (EDT)
::OK. I will offer a fuller explanation. I will be working on about 5 or so significantly sized projects soon so I asked the other editor of the account to change the password. Previously, SamHB and I discussed doing a 66 day period of nonediting of CP. SamHB already did his 66 day period. Soon, I will be using these two extensions to my main browser: [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/site-blocker/oohkinmgbkhgcobnipoijafcjgfcogpk Site blocker] and [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stayfocusd/laankejkbhbdhmipfmgcngdelahlfoji Stayfcsd]. I have decided to do the 66 day period of nonediting of CP after I finish about a 12 hour project related to CP.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 03:42, 27 September 2019 (EDT)
:::A few comments:
:::#I have never had any communication with "Wikignome72", on- or off-wiki, on the 66 day topic or any other topic, until just now.
:::#The 66 day business appears to have come from the [https://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative/Personal_development_skill_sets_etc#Developing_good_habits_and_breaking_bad_habits Developing_good_habits_and_breaking_bad_habits] section of Cons's user page. It was probably placed there in late 2017, but it's hard to tell, because the page has been repeatedly vaped/burned/rebuilt. I have not read the two referenced articles; they might have wise counsel, though it doesn't appear that they helped the 4 Cons people achieve their goal.
:::#I promised one of the 4 users of the Conservative account (at the time I did not believe his assertion that there are actually 4) that I would respect the confidentiality of emails with that person. [https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:SamHB #Taking_some_of_your_advice https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:SamHB Taking_some_of_your_advice]. Therefore, I will not discuss my communications, with that person, on the subject of the 66 day "challenge".
:::AugustO hypothesizes that, perhaps because of an "intervention", or perhaps because of dissension among the 4 people, some or all of the 4 users have had their password involuntarily reset. Perhaps this was done by Wikignome72, in an apparently successful hijacking of an account. Perhaps the 4 people gave out their password a little too freely, Of course, the Cons people could request that Andy reset the password, which he has apparently not done.

:::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:54, 28 September 2019 (EDT)
::::There have been 3 users of the User: Conservative account. A 4rth person was given the password to the account, but never began editing.

::::Again, I asked another editor of the account to change the password as I want to tackle some upcoming projects and wanted less potential distractions. It was understood between us that I would ask for the new password later. I have nothing more to say about this matter. As far as I am concerned. AugustO is making a tempest in a teapot.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 17:12, 28 September 2019 (EDT)

Sorry. Surprisingly, I'm a member of this site for more than eight years. I apologize if I assumed an unwarranted familiarity with you all: frankly, I was just amused that a long-term user lost his/her/their access... - and I was annoyed when a wiki-gnome acted as an administrator: that's just wrong.

User:Conservative, over the years you have announced countless projects, out-times, booklets, etc. - nothing ever came of it. For me, you are somewhat the "comic relief" of Conservapedia, so, please, do not take our interactions too seriously. I hope that quenches the tempest in the teapot. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:05, 28 September 2019 (EDT)
::AugustO, a few matters: 1) I promised the author of the book/booklet that I would not discuss any details concerning the book/booklet. I am certainly not going to break that promise for the sake of some foolish evolutionists who assert a ridiculous ideology. 2) A far as my projects/operations, the web traffic to my articles speak for themselves. My key articles are receiving thousands and thousands of page views each and every month. Evidently, those projects/operations worked! 3) AugustO, now please feel free to go on with your work on that Bible Project you got involved in (A project you were unqualified for "Dr. Augusto - Professor Emeritus of Greek and Hebrew literature!").09:26, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Is the author George R.R. Martin? We have been awaiting his publication for a long time also (Joking of course).--[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 10:28, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Re: book/booklet: Things happen in people's lives. Projects experience unforeseen difficulties. One thing for certain, the growth of European creationism[https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/creationism-europe] and the growth of evangelical Christianity and Islam in Britain, insures that a bungled 19th century attempt to come up with a viable explanation of the origin of animal/plant life on earth will be extinguished.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 10:53, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::Oh my! I had not intended for this discussion to get sidetracked by the "Question Evolution booklet" issue. But, as long as we are here, and now that the Cons's appear to have left the site, we have a chance to lay this matter to rest once and for all.

:::::The predictions by the Cons's (though I believed at the time that there was only one of them) of some forthcoming "Question Evolution booklet for middle-school students" has been going on for several years. One of my early recollections of it involves some Canadian woman writing it, and sending it out for review by some students, and some other people (perhaps from RW) wanting to see it, and being rebuffed. The earliest reference I can find now is from 2012 (long before Wikignome72 arrived here): [https://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive59#Orwellian_changes_of_Conservapedia.27s_history here]. And here it was again in March, 2019: [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/174#Question_Evolution_book_for_middle_school_students here]. And again in April: [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/175#Question_Evolution_book_and_an_evolutionist_pretending_to_be_omniscient here].

:::::All questions were rebuffed, as in the comment "If anyone wants to know about the past, present or future of that project, it is incumbent upon them to determine this." from the March 2019 page. This strikes me as peculiar. When I go to Amazon, for example, looking for a book, it typically tells me how to buy it. Occasionally a book is listed prior to publication, in which case the web site tells when it will come out and how to place a pre-order. Telling the person, in effect, "It's none of your business how to find out about this book" strikes me as not a good way to do business.

::::::'''Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light to all that are in the house. Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.''' -- Matthew 5:15-16

:::::All this has struck me as odd for someone who was so intensely concerned with popularity statistics and page views for their many articles. It has led me (and I suspect others) to wonder whether this whole "Question Evolution booklet" issue was nothing but a childish and narcissistic fantasy on Cons's part. But here's the good news: We can now put this whole issue to rest. Since the Cons's are gone, and you (Wikignome72) seem to be in close contact with at least some of them, could you use your influence to find out from them what was going on, and whether this really was just a fantasy? I'm sure that you, as a responsible person, will be able to unravel all this. That would help us all to achieve closure. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:26, 4 October 2019 (EDT)

::::::[[User_talk:AugustO#Re_User:Conservative_-_a_few_matters|My 2¢]] --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:22, 5 October 2019 (EDT)
:Well, this gets more confusing practically every day. Wikignome72 writes ("I asked another editor of the account [clearly referring to the Conservative account] to change the password ..." '''Another''' editor? This suggests the WGN is one of the editors of that account. But that would be sockpuppetry, which is clearly forbidden, and gets people banned instantly. So we have to assume WGN simply misspoke.

:And now WGN says, as though he is in close communication with the Cons people, that the number of Cons people is only 3, not 4. Perhaps it was hoped there would be 4 horseman of the [[User:Conservative]] account, but that this never occurred. Perhaps that 4th person, who was given the password but apparently never did anything, engaged in a bit of treachery and changed the password. Or perhaps the password change was actually done at the request of WGN, in order to keep him from being distracted while he (WGN) tackled some projects. Though I don't understand why the actions of the Cons folks would distract WGN. And WGN now appears to be tackling the same projects (atheism, atheism, atheism, New Zealand, and atheism), and with the same zeal and intensity, that the Cons's did.

:And it's possible that WGN's failure to simply reset the Cons password was because he had forgotten that he had admin privileges, or perhaps was never aware of this in the first place? Even though his user page has said, since 00:06 on 26 September, that he has them?

:So it's all very confusing. I don't know what the relationship is between WGN and the Cons folks, or the relationship among the Cons folks. But it appears that the number of Cons folks is 3, not 4.

:By the way, I don't normally follow Richard Dawkins, or all the atheist material that the Cons folks, and WGN, write, but today I just happened to look at [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=atheism,atheist,Richard%20Dawkins,agnostic,agnosticism a Google trends page]. And I thought "Mission accomplished!", depending on what the mission is. I can't figure out what the surveys mean. They seem to be treating Richard Dawkins as though he, personally, is a religious stance. But the [http://www.sneps.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/jssr_15101.pdf pre-2043] page certainly suggests that something has been a smashing success!!

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:40, 28 September 2019 (EDT)
::In a private email, I will tell you about Operation Super Fortresses![[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 22:52, 28 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Warning!! I have not promised email confidentiality to anyone other than the person who I believed at the time was the sole owner of the User:Conservative CP account. Any mail that I get that appears (based on, for example, its topicality to the present discussion) to be from Wikignome72, I will assume to be from Wikignome72, and will be subject to being made public. If it comes from one of the email addresses of the Conservative group, I will simply assume that someone in that group gave his email password to Wikignome72, and that the latter is posting it on his own. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:18, 29 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Eisenhower had many good points indeed but it should be understood that he was not a "fighting general" in the mold of Patton, Montgomery or Rommel. He was a superb administrator and took well informed strategic decisions that were presented to him. He had little actual battlefield experience, a great man and leader perhaps but certainly no master tactician.--[[User:Chewy Suarez|Chewy Suarez]] ([[User talk:Chewy Suarez|talk]]) 08:40, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
It's pretty obvious by now that this booklet never existed, and was a fantasy all along. Why the Cons folks thought they were fooling anyone is a mystery. But it doesn't matter any more. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:21, 11 October 2019 (EDT)

=="Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness"—note to some people who lock their own user and talk pages==

It seems that Wikignome72, on his [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:Wikignome72&oldid=1605731 user page], [Vaped by another user, though it's still there.<ref>Deleting another user's page would get one instantly banned at just about any other wiki.</ref>] is using a favorite saying of some of the User:Conservativeism [sic] folks. It makes me wonder: Do Wikignome72 and the various Cons folks know each other? Very careful analysis of their writings seems to suggest some very subtle (perhaps even to the point of formlessness) similarities in their writing styles and choices of topics. The similarities are so subtle that it took me months to notice them.

:I have access to the User: Conservative account again.
::Glad to hear it.
:I still like to use another account once in awhile in order to make the work of those who obsessively follow the User: Conservative more challenging. :)
::Not challenging at all; your antics are utterly transparent. But I'm glad you enjoy it. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 14:01, 22 December 2019 (EST)

:By the way, there were some skeptics that claimed the city of Ninevah never existed. Yet, it most certainly did exist. Feel free to to claim the booklet never existed though! The truth is though that you are not certain if the booklet existed in the past, exists in the present or will exist in the future.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:53, 18 December 2019 (EST)
::My observation was about the Sun Tzu quote. It had nothing to do with [[Nineveh]] or with booklets. By the way, when I find that a wikilink doesn't work, I typically investigate why, such as whether I have misspelled it, rather than just removing the double brackets. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 14:01, 22 December 2019 (EST)
:::Oh, ''now'' I get it! The "booklet" was a reference to the fantasy you've been harping on since at least 2012, and most recently in the section above this one. No one wants to play this "betcha can't figure out what's going through my mind regarding a booklet about evolution" game. No one has ever wanted to play that game, going back at least to 2012. Pretending that people want to play that game, and that you are outsmarting them, is pointless. Why don't you either (1) write something up, even if it's just two sheets of paper stapled together and left in a dentist's waiting room, or perhaps a thing on YouTube, or (2) forget about it and move on with your life.

:::By the way, one of you was going to send me an email describing "Operation Super Fortresses", or whatever it is. I hope that my inability to promise email confidentiality isn't deterring you. It isn't secret, is it? Can't you just post the information here at Conservapedia? You already post a lot of insanely silly things. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:24, 27 December 2019 (EST)

==Well, that was fast!==
You, wikignome72, put up an edit, and then vaped it ONE MINUTE LATER! At 23:38, 11 October 2019‎. Your behavior gets more similar every day to that of our dear departed friends in the Cons account. By the way, now that they are gone, I'll have a few things to say about them soon. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:21, 11 October 2019 (EDT)

== A quick clarification ==

Re: Trump revealing the so-called whistleblower's name

Two points. 1) The whistleblower law in question does not guarantee anonymity. It guarantees job security as far as the prevention of the employee being fired for retaliatory reasons. "Neither the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act of 1998 (ICWPA) nor any related statutes have language guaranteeing anonymity for whistleblowers." - Washington Post.[https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/20/schiffs-claim-that-whistleblower-has-statutory-right-anonymity/] 2) President Trump's call to the Ukraine leader was a perfect call.

I hope this clarifies matters.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:19, 29 December 2019 (EST)
:Yes, it will, as soon as I figure out what a "perfect telephone call" is. It seems that a lot of other people are puzzled by this as well. I'm sure that conundrum will all become clear when all the Trump books (see below) are written. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:21, 27 January 2020 (EST)

== Be polite, please ==

Sam, I found your edit comment on [[Deism]] to be unnecessarily rude. Please be polite to new editors or don't comment at all about them. Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 21:08, 25 January 2020 (EST)
:I apologize for the rudeness. But the illiteracy and overall ineptness of the edit was more than I could bear.
:I think I'm reasonably welcoming and positive to new users, and willing to overlook a lot of bad writing. But this person's writing quality was ''far'' below my lowest standards—I simply couldn't cut anyone that much slack. It was just a bunch or words strung together, with no attempt to integrate it into the rest of the article, which is a high-quality article that a number of good people have contributed to. And he he just stuck it after the references section.
:His departure, whether caused by me or not, will be no loss to this site.
:I fear for this country's educational system.
:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:06, 26 January 2020 (EST)

::Imagine what scholars 100 years from now will think when reading the transcript of Democrat Managers at the Trump Impeachment Trial: ''just a bunch or words strung together, with no attempt to integrate it into the'' facts of the case. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 23:37, 26 January 2020 (EST)
::::History has already started judging Donald Trump. The books about his narcissism, dishonesty, and destructiveness have been coming out for years, and will no doubt continue to come out for many years to come. History's judgment of Richard Nixon is tame in comparison. History's judgment of the Republican "defense attorneys", and its judgment of the behavior of the Senate Republicans, will be extremely harsh, once the truth becomes fully known. And there is no doubt that the truth will come out in the end.
::::Your ability to predict the judgments of history is already known to be appalling. Of course we cam't check the judgments you make here with what will happen many years in the future, but we can check your writings about Communism in the first half of the 20th century against how things actually turned out. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:51, 27 January 2020 (EST)
:::::''History's judgment of the behavior of the Senate Republicans will be extremely harsh once the truth becomes fully known'' -- SamHB
:::::''A conspiracy of infamy so black that, when it is finally exposed, its principals shall be forever deserving of the maledictions of all honest men'' -- Sen. [[Joseph McCarthy]]
:::::Yes indeed, now that the Left has finally fully converted to [[McCarthyism]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 10:07, 28 January 2020 (EST)

:::"I simply couldn't cut anyone that much slack." - SamHB. Couldn't or wouldn't? You must do better!
::::Sorry, but I truly couldn't. I appreciate your faith that I can do better, but what this person wrote is simply far below any level I can stoop to. And I stoop to some pretty low levels here, with evolution denial, relativity denial, complex number denial, global warming denial, and so on. My 3rd grade teacher publicly ridiculed that kind of writing. Now maybe he's only in the 3rd grade. But, if so, he needs parental supervision.

:::"The majesty and grandeur of the English language, it's the greatest possession we have. The noblest thoughts that ever flowed through the hearts of men are contained in its extraordinary, imaginative, and musical mixtures of sounds. And that's what you've set yourself out to conquer Eliza. And conquer it you will." - Professor Henry Higgins, ''My Fair Lady''[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:54, 26 January 2020 (EST)
[[File:256px-Rat meat dishes.jpg|thumbnail|200px|right|Rat meat dish in Yangshuo, Guangxi, China. See also: [[Atheism and rodent eating]] ]]
::::As usual, my friends, I appreciate your erudition and acumen, and your high regard for this beautiful language. Though perhaps not your obsessiveness. Perhaps you can do better. :-) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:51, 27 January 2020 (EST)

I just used the majestic English language to create the article [[Atheism and rodent eating]]. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:04, 27 January 2020 (EST)
:Yes, I saw that. The language is majestic. Your content, not quite so much. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:07, 27 January 2020 (EST)
::If you go to China, avoid eating the live mice.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:09, 27 January 2020 (EST)
:::Uhh, sure. In fact, I don't need to go to China to follow that advice. I don't eat live mice in this country. Nor dead ones, in fact. Not even on those occasions when I go into Boston, where you have indicated above that rodents are plentiful. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:21, 27 January 2020 (EST)
::::What? People are suffering under Trump's full employment economy. Trump has cut millions off of foodstamps. Try making student loan payments on a pizza deliveryman (deliveryperson)'s salary who is about to be replaced by drones and robotics. We are the 99%! Your elitist attitude is appalling to people of color, transsexuals, victims of sex abuse, and white trash who are reduced to eating mice in Trump's America. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 10:19, 28 January 2020 (EST)

== Global warming "denial". More importantly, man-made global warming "denial" ==

re: Global warming "denial". More importantly, man-made global warming "denial"

First, see: [[Global cooling]]

Second, the [[Medieval Warm Period]] caused bumper crops and the prosperity it created caused many of the Europe's biggest cathedrals/churches to be built.

Third, consider these predictions listed in the article [https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/50-years-of-failed-doomsday-eco-pocalyptic-predictions-the-so-called-experts-are-0-50/ 50 years of failed doomsday, eco-pocalyptic predictions; the so-called ‘experts’ are 0-50]:

1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018

2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020

2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past

1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 From Global Warming

2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter

Sam, the experts really do have a bad track record when it comes to global warming forecasting.

Fourth, read the material below.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:19, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

=== Avoiding common pitfalls of forecasting ===

*[https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/how-to-predict-the-future/588040/ The Peculiar Blindness of Experts], The Atlantic, 2019

*[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/why-experts-are-almost-always-wrong-9997024/ Why Experts are Almost Always Wrong], Smithsonian

*[https://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2014/02/19/why-experts-always-seem-to-get-it-wrong/ Why Experts Always Seem To Get It Wrong] Forbes, 2014

*[https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/why-experts-get-it-wrong/73322/ Why Experts Get It Wrong], ''The Atlantic''

*[https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/opinion/sunday/when-forecasters-get-it-wrong-always.html When Forecasters Get It Wrong: Always], ''New York Times'', 2017

*[https://www.theblaze.com/contributions/be-wary-of-the-experts-predictions-are-usually-wrong Be Wary of the Experts: Predictions Are Usually Wrong], The Blaze, 2016

*[https://nypost.com/2010/06/13/why-experts-are-usually-wrong/ Why experts are usually wrong], NY Post, 2010
=== Academic and highly educated/intelligent people, political elitism and pride/blindsidedness ===

*[https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2019/08/27/academe-should-avoid-politicizing-educational-attainment-opinion?utm_content=buffer09313&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer Academic and Political Elitism]

"Yet the cognitive and behavioral science literature suggests that those who are highly educated, intelligent or rhetorically skilled tend to be significantly less likely than most to revise their beliefs or adjust their positions when confronted with evidence or arguments that contradict their priors. This is because, in virtue of knowing more about the world, or being better at arguing, they are better equipped to punch holes in data or arguments that contradict their prior views or to otherwise make excuses for “sticking to their guns” regardless. And so, they do...

Indeed, research suggests that people with highly refined critical capacities often deploy them to scrutinize others. Hence, those with higher education levels and academic aptitude (college GPA) tend to be less attuned than most to ambiguity, complexity, uncertainty and limitations in their own knowledge -- and less prone to innovative or creative thinking.

That is perhaps because studies show that, compared to the general public, highly educated or intelligent people tend to be more ideological in their thinking, more ideologically rigid and more extreme in their ideological leanings. Highly educated and intelligent people are also more likely to grow obsessed with some moral or political cause. Research suggests that they are more likely to overreact to small shocks, challenges or slights. Other studies have found that, while they are less likely to be prejudiced against others on the basis of things like race, they tend to be more prejudiced than most against those who seem to think differently than they do -- and often look down on those with less education.

In short, many of the biases and distortions to which all people are susceptible seem to be even more pronounced among those who are highly educated or intelligent."[https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2019/08/27/academe-should-avoid-politicizing-educational-attainment-opinion?utm_content=buffer09313&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]
=== P.S. re: predictions ===

Speaking about predicting the future, a number of experts have predicted that Donald J. Trump will be re-elected POTUS in 2020. Let's hope these experts are right. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:05, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

==Des conservateurs américains nient la relativité d'Einstein==

::::''This section, and the next, were recovered from the archive page [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page/Archive_index/191 archive 191 of the main talk page]. It's rather stale by now, but I hadn't finished with it; I've been extremely busy over the last couple of months, for which I apologize. If you consider this material to be hopelessly out-of-date, feel free to ignore it. Other people's comments, with their dates and signatures, are intact.''

:Barthélémy, Pierre (April 3, 2013). "American conservatives deny Einstein's relativity." ''Le Monde'' website.

::"'''Plusieurs de ces 48 pseudo-preuves''' n'ont pas de lien direct avec la relativité et elles montrent surtout que ceux qui les ont rassemblées – lesquels semblent vouloir se contenter de la théorie newtonienne de la gravitation – ne comprennent pas grand chose au sujet. Un constat que confirme l'examen de leurs sources. Pour ces 48 contre-exemples, on compte seulement 30 références et parmi ces 30 références, une seule est un article publié dans une revue scientifique à comité de lecture...."

:Google translate:

::'''Several of these 48 pseudo-proofs''' have no direct link with relativity and show above all that those who gathered them - who seem to want to be content with Newtonian theory of gravitation - do not understand much about the subject. A finding that confirms the examination of their sources. For these 48 counterexamples, there are only 30 references and among these 30 references, only one is an article published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal....

:"So, Pierre, you called Conservapedia's Counterexamples to Relativity 'pseudo-proofs' and construed that only one of the list's referenced articles was 'published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal', a state of affairs which is 'confirmed' by your inspections that 'show above all that those who gathered them...do not understand much about the subject.'"

:"That's right."

:"Tell me, how many of Einstein's papers would you construe were peer-reviewed by the journals in which they appeared?"

:"? Just a minute." [goes back inside]

:[ten minutes later, comes out]

:"I'm not supposed to talk to you."

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 09:48, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

:"I'm not supposed to talk to you" - that sounds just like one of the rote replies that those confronted by Canada's Rebel News give in response when questioned about the illegal shenanigans of Justin Trudeau and his Liberals (or any other left-wing provincial party currently in power), their cronies and their liberal media (i.e. CBC, etc.) lapdogs, along with other liberal/leftist public officials (and the criminals they protect), corrupt police officers, Marxist college professors, leftist special interest groups and Communist professional protestors, and for the same exact reasons - like the groups I mentioned for their own reasons, those critical of the counterexamples to relativity, who dismissively call them "pseudo-proof" without giving any explanation why they make that claim, are extremely uncomfortable with the truth getting out and don't want it being exposed to the light of day for fear that their already-shaky and fragile narratives would be ripped to shreds. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 03:40, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
::This and the Jimmy Kimmel one are my favorite satires that I did. Could I have reached peak Milan? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 10:51, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

I'm very puzzled by all this, assuming I correctly understand what VM is trying to say. It looks as though he has found an article in a French journal that disparages the anti-relativity content here at Conservapedia. Assuming that's the point he's making, ''it is not necessary to look in French journals for this sort of material.'' CP's relativity denial is ridiculed all across the internet, including in this country and in English. I surveyed the responses to the [[Counterexamples_to_Relativity]] page a while back, on the occasion of its two millionth page view, [https://www.conservapedia.com/Community_Portal/Archive_1#Two_millionth_page_view_for_the_.22Counterexamples_to_Relativity.22_page here]. My survey of 100 Google hits got 97% making fun of the article.

What followed in VM's edit seems to be a humorous fictional drama. I accept the challenge! Here's my attempt at humorous fiction:
*How much hush money did you pay to Stephanie Clifford, Karen McDougal, Rachel Crooks, Jessica Leeds, Samantha Holvey, and others, to silence them in their accusations of sexual misconduct?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*How much money has gone into your pockets in violation of the emoluments clause of the constitution?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*How many entities have you sued to block release of your tax and financial records?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*How much taxpayer money has been paid to your hotels, resorts, golf courses, and other entities?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*How much did you pay out to settle the fraud class action suit against your real-estate "University"?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*Are you willing to have your feet X-rayed to settle, once and for all, whether you have or had bone spurs?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*When you said, on Feb. 28, 2020, “It’s [coronavirus] going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” what time frame did you have in mind?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*When will you release your tax returns, as you stated in 2016 that you would?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*What is the basis for your claim that you were awarded the title "Man of the Year" in Michigan?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*When you said "This [Covid-19] is going to go away without a vaccine.", what data or expertise informed that statement?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*Do you stand by your Jan 30, 2020 statement: "We think we have it [coronavirus] very well under control"?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*When you said, on March 10, 2020: "It [coronavirus] will go away. Just stay calm; it will go away", what time frame did you have in mind?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*Just what is the crime that you were accusing President Obama of when you said "You know what the crime is. The crime is very obvious to everybody"?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*When you said, on May 26, 2020, that "A lot of people suggest that [Joe Scarborough was responsible for the death of Lori Klausutis]", who were some of those people, and were you aware that she had been in Florida at the time, while Mr. Scarborough was in DC?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

*When you said, on April 7, 2011 "I have people [in Hawaii] that actually have been studying it [Obama's birthplace], and they can not believe what they have found." who were these people, and what had they found?
::"Just a minute." [goes back inside; ten minutes later, comes out] "I'm not supposed to talk to you."

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 11:58, 6 August 2020 (EDT)

:If that's supposed to be your idea of "humor", SamHB, no one here (other than maybe you) finds it funny, especially considering that it's nothing more than a thinly-veiled jab at President Trump based on what you get from the liberal media. And next time, sign your post. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 08:11, 6 August 2020 (EDT)

==SamHB from Boston==

::::''I will no longer waste my time replying to arguments of someone who just throws around phrases that he has no understanding of.''
:::::And you don't avoid this practice yourself, as you treat the word "law" as in "physical laws" as if it always meant "generalization" and never "definition". [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 20:29, 26 July 2020 (EDT)
SamHB from Boston is apparently alive and well in hard-hit Massachusetts, his feelings still attached to Einstein's relativity. I wonder why Pierre Barthélémy didn't read SamHB's replies? With sounder arguments, he wouldn't have needed to contort himself into ridiculous positions to try and refute the counterexamples. Then again maybe he read an early draft where Sam said in the equation E=mc2, the "c" stands "constant" not "celerity" and gave up. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 23:31, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
:::I'm pretty sure I never wrote, in any draft anywhere, that "c" in E=mc2 stands for "constant". Can you cite the diff? I generally cite the diff when I am claiming that someone wrote something. Your reputation for accuracy, probity, and honesty would be enhanced if you did that. Now I probably ''did'' write that "c" stands for "constant" in a page on indefinite integration. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::[https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Rebuttal_to_Counterexamples_to_Relativity&diff=1091237&oldid=1077612 This] is the smoking gun for the peculiar claim you made about "constants" that I described. No integration.
:::::OK, thank you for clarifying that for me. The discussion was about whether the speed of light has changed measurably in cosmological time. Speculation on this subject (other than nonsense from creationists) involves calculation of the fine structure constant from spectroscopic examination of stars in deep cosmological time. (See [[C_decay]] for a discussion of this.) While the change, authored by me, does contain the word "constant", it does not relate that to the "c" of E=mc2. The change also contains these words: counterexample, century, causing, conserved, complete, concern, classical, collide, can, calibration, considered, correct, clear, course, correspondence, complex, core, collapse, cited, comes, Conservapedia, claim, and cable. None of them are suggested as the origin for the letter designating the speed of light. In fact, that designation long predates the speculation on whether the speed of light has changed. It very well may have been based on "celerity"; I don't know or care. And thank you for the song lyrics below, or whatever that is. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:36, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

::::::You: The factor "c" appearing in equations of relativity (E=mc^2, the Lorentz factor, etc.) is the calibration constant for space vs. time. While it was perceived as the "speed of light" back in 1905,...
:::::::Thesis: "c" was identified as the "c" in E=mc2.

:::::::Antithesis: "c" "was perceived" as the "speed of light", but is ''not'' the "speed of light".

:::::::Sythesis: the factor "c" "''is'' the calibration constant for space vs. time", not any of those other "c" terms you mentioned.

:::::::Corollary: "c" ''always'' stood for "calibration constant", and the "speed of light" was a misidentification.

:::::::Assumption: "c" never stood for some third identification with a numerical value.

:::::::Conclusion: Since "c" was ''only'' always identified with "calibration constant", therefore "c" must stand for the "calibrition constant", which, naturally, is a type of constant.

::::::The worst part about this misidentification of "c" as an abbreviation for what is a constant, is that the underlying judgments that made you determine this, aren't even correct: there is a good deal of evidence that suggests it's not a constant at all, while remembering a photon <s>neutrino</s> can travel at a rate equal to the [potential] speed of light over long distances, until it [spontaneously] decays
:::::::So now photons can spontaneously disintegrate? That's news to me, and anyone who knows anything about science. What happens to its momentum? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:49, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
::::::::I mean [[vacuum polarization]]. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 19:56, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::Do you even know what those words mean? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 13:27, 26 July 2020 (EDT)
::::::::::Sam, do you remember when I said (you copied it to a little below this comment on your user page) you would do well to learn to use a search engine? I discovered "vacuum polarization" along with the decay of photons in more than two articles on the internet. But then you have a motive for not looking: you already said no expert believed the phenomemon. If you don't like people to comment on your degree of learnèdness (like you said a little below this comment on your user page), you might want to apply your learnèdness more consistently. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 20:38, 26 July 2020 (EDT)
::::::(an event which distinguishes that velocity from that of the calibration "constant", but not light's [typical] velocity over long distances).

::::::*That the Higgs Field is of equal dimensions
::::::::What on Earth does that mean? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:49, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::Oh, so you think when it disappears and then rematerializes it assumes a variety of different physical proportions at each appearance? Does that make any more sense? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 20:26, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
::::::throughout the visible universe, that the Higgs field doesn't change as time passes and that the Higgs Field doesn't expand even though the visible universe is thought to be expanding are all unproven assumptions which, if not true, would cause the "calibration constant" to ''vary''.
:::::::::What on Earth are you taking about? You need to move past your obsession with the Higgs boson. Please read some books about science. :::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 13:27, 26 July 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::I never mentioned the Higgs boson, either as such, or what it does. How does that represent "interest" much less "obsession"? Lol. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 20:43, 26 July 2020 (EDT)

:::::::Why? The physical properties <s>penetrability</s> permittivity of free space and permeability of free space may be determined, and vary, by physical features of the Higgs Field and those properties in turn may determine the value of the calibration "constant".
::::::::The values of the physical constants ε and μ are determined by the Higgs field? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? I recommend that you read some books about science. I especially recommend ''The Large Hadron Collider'', by Don Lincoln (of CERN), as a book targeted at laymen that does a good job of explaining why explaining the Higgs Boson to laymen is so difficult. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:49, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Do you think those kind of histrionics are an attractive quality? Why is there a metric called "relative permittivity" of exactly 1 representing a perfect vacuum and greater relative permittivities for non-vacuums? Does the presence and absence of the Higgs Field have no effect on vacuum of space?
::::::::And now you're bringing up "relative permittivity" (there's also "relative permeability"), that is, one can draw a distinction between ε and ε0, and between μ and μ0. This relates to a well-known trick involving electromagnetic wave propagation through various media. It has nothing to do with the Higgs field. I suggest that you read the "optics" chapter of some undergraduate textbooks on electromagnetism that have such chapters (not all of them do), or some undergraduate textbooks on optics. This "relative permittivity" stuff is just an artifice to simplify calculations of how things like lenses work. It's not fundamental physics, and it has nothing to do with the Higgs field. You're just throwing around some terms that you don't seem to understand. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 13:27, 26 July 2020 (EDT)

::::::*Richard P. Feynman, the father of quantum electrodynamics, a more important field than relativity, said:

::::::::The major contribution of P(A to B) occurs at the conventional speed of light—when (X2 - X1) is equal to (T2 - T1)—where one would expect it all to occur, but there is also an amplitude for light to go faster (or slower) than the conventional speed of light. You found out that in the last lecture that light doesn't go only in straight lines; now you find out that it doesn't go only at the speed of light!

::::::::It may surprise you that there is an amplitude for a photon to go at speeds faster or slower than the conventional speed, ''c''. The amplitudes for these possibilities are very small compared to the contribution from speed ''c''; in fact, they cancel out when light travels over long distances. However, when the distances are short—as in many of the diagrams I will be drawing—these other possibilities become vitally important and must be considered. (1983)

::::::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 02:13, 24 May 2020 (EDT) corr. 17:22, 24 May 2020 (EDT) corr. 11:49, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::Pistol was still smoking/Man lay on the floor. Sam
:::::HB said he had an understanding with the law

::::Your intellectual methods would be well-accredited outwardly to seize the first opportunity to learn to use the search engine.

::::Tangentially, I'd advise you tend to your own reputation to see if the virtues you describe haven't already escaped you in some way, remarkable as it may seem. To the point of this tangent: If the 1919 eclipse fakery didn't sway any physicist to reconsider, it's doubtful they'd change their mind on account of any future adverse exposure. After all, it's majority rule, and sometimes the majority is prejudicial. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 08:55, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::I'd suggest that you tend to your reputation for writing lucid English. Whether Eddington's data show "fakery" is moot—the bending of light in a gravitational field, as predicted by Relativity, and as Eddington was trying to measure, has been verified, to exquisite precision, many many times. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:49, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
::::Yes, and, without prejudice to the existence of Relativity, field theories of gravity of whatever source call for such things as gravity waves. You seem to think its fairly tolerable exercise in Physics to "frame a guilty man" and then go on to expect (insist that?) others to continue to regard those methods with the same esteem. I don't think that needs an extended commentary to indicate room for honest doubt even among the disinterested. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 20:47, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
:::English is a powerful, expressive, beautiful, and noble language. In fact, I believe user:conservative and I were in agreement on this observation in some discussion many months ago.

:::I would suggest that you read some books about science. You might find that, according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, measurements of an operator yield a wave function that has some amount of dispersion. If the quantity being measured is the speed of photons, some results will be slightly higher than "c", and some will be slightly lower. People who understand basic quantum mechanics know this. This, and similar phenomena, do not contradict the behavior of non-quantum physics outside of the quantum realm. You would do well to read the Feynman lecture that you are citing.

:::You might also find that, because neutrinos have mass, their speed is very slightly less that "c". And they don't decay—there is no particle for them to decay into.

:::You might also learn something about the Higgs field, so that you can clearly communicate whatever you are trying to say about it.

:::You might also learn about the "permeability" and "permittivity" of free space, as well known and effectively complementary attributes relating to electromagnetism and [[Maxwell's equations]], and that "penetrability", by contrast, is an obscure term apparently designed to put gravity on the same theoretical footing as electromagnetism. But it doesn't work, because it uses the classical Newtonian formulation of gravity, which hasn't been used for about 100 years. And that "permeability" and "permittivity" were formulated about 100 years before the Higgs field.

:::If you want to write Conservapedia articles about any of these topics, feel free to do so. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:22, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

::My goodness! I'm quite surprised by the reception I got for one tiny change to a number. I guess I'm a rather renowned person around here. I'm flattered, because I often get the idea that I'm not well liked. It's good to know that I have some fans. I'll have more to say on these issues soon, but I've been very busy of late. By the way, I'm not from Boston. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:54, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
:::If facepalms are a sign of esteem, you're 100% correct. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 03:26, 14 May 2020 (EDT)

:::No, SamHB, you're not "renowned" to the extent or for the reasons you think you are, but for you to think that in the first place would indicate narcissism on your part. You're also still causing problems in your replies by inserting some of them in the middle of other people's posts to interrupt the flow of the other posters' messages ([https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1650034&oldid=1650033 seen here]), which is considered poor form and perhaps even a bit rude. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 01:54, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
:I strongly suspect that Einstein was right about relativity for the most part. I have a Christian friend who is a scientist and reasonable man and he told me that Einstein was probably right. After looking at one of my diagrams, my physics high school teacher said I might be a physicist some day, but I will never be an artist. :) So that is the expertise I bring to the table. :)
::Greeting Cons! You say sensible things occasionally. But I'd suggest that you not couple relativity with religion. I'm sure you know lots of Christian friends, and I'd guess that every single one of them who is not a Conservapedia contributor accepts relativity. I also know lots of Christian friends (as well as Jewish, atheist, agnostic, and so on), and I'm sure they all accept relativity. Keep up the good work. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:54, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
:::If you read the [[Irreligion and superstition]] article, it cites a ''Wall Street Journal'' article citing research that shows that evangelical Christians are less likely to believe [[pseudoscience]] and superstition. That is why I mentioned that my scientist friend is a Bible-believing Christian and is reasonable too. Sorry I did not make this more explicit.
::::You don't need to apologize for that; what you said is quite clear, to me at least. I would guess that essentially all of your acquaintances are Christian, scientifically literate, reasonable, and accepting of relativity. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
:::With that being said, ultimately you have to run carefully designed experiments and duplicate results to achieve a high degree of scientific certainty. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:56, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
::::Absolutely right. And the experiments that validate relativity have probably been run millions of times over the last 100 years. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
:I also know that force equals mass times acceleration. I did create a lot of weighty atheism articles with great alacrity so Conservapedia is a force to be reckoned with when it comes to the topic of atheism. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:45, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
:::I do appreciate the humor, and the pun on "alacrity". [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 15:54, 12 May 2020 (EDT)

::In that case, if I were to edit the Einstein article, you might be a bit surprised by what you found, beside his scientific papers never being peer reviewed by the journals in which they appear. I'm sure many good and decent men believe evolution is still a soundly established scientific theory. And some of them are just goobers who try to insult Conservapedia. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 00:11, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
:::I'm not sure what you mean. Why don't you edit it, and then I'll tell you whether I am surprised.
::::I was talking to Conservative. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 10:36, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

===Relativity Denial? Really? It's still around?===
I had thought that relativity denial had died out here at Conservapedia. Andy Schlafly seems to have lost interest, just as he had earlier lost interest in [[Complex number]] denial, [[Axiom of Choice]] denial, and his strange definition of [[elementary proof]]. Of course, he can speak for himself.

But I had thought that relativity denial had truly died out, and that my job was finished, which is why I haven't been around for a few months. Now I've noticed that occasionally someone other than Andy gets on the relativity denial bandwagon, and I had generally assumed that these were just cases of sycophancy. And I had noticed that such people seem to disappear when asked serious questions about the subject. In fact, this phenomenon was described, quite some time ago, in my [https://www.conservapedia.com/User:SamHB#People_who_write_about_relativity_but_don.27t_know_what_they_are_talking_about] section.

:A great man once said, "he who asserts move prove"! He really meant something different, but with the typo, he gave the logical rule a pleasantly dramatic sense of urgency.

:I'm not going respond to your little jabs, even though you don't grasp the concept of being able to argue both sides of the case or the concept of you and AugustO repeating stale arguments because you think they are game-changers. I won't respond because you serve up sycophancy sandwiches and hidden inside is the assumption that only someone showing personal favoritism to Andy could ''ever'' defend ''any'' of his ideas. Tough luck for you. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 09:18, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

===I can't believe that I need to explain that Einstein's papers on relativity were peer-reviewed===
The ignorance is utterly appalling. It has to be intentional.

But, since some people here seem to think that relativity, not to mention reality, is "fake news", let me spell it out for you.

Einstein's four main papers on relativity:
*''On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies'' (''Zur Elektrodynamik Bewegter körper)
*''Does the Inertia of a Body Depend on its Energy-Content?'' (''Ist die Trägheit eines Körpers von seinem Energieinhalt abhängig?'')
*''On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light'' (''über den einfluß der schwerkraft auf die ausbreitung des lichtes'')
*''The Foundation of the General Theory of Relativity'' (''Die Grundlage der allgemeinen Relativitätstheorie'')
were all published in ''Annalen der Physik'', a renowned scientific journal that's been around for 220 years. Its submissions are peer-reviewed. While it's possible that the peer-review process might not have been as rigorous in 1905 as it is now, that is easily made up for by the fact that these papers have been world-famous for over 100 years, and the Theory of Relativity has been effectively peer-reviewed thousands of times over by thousands of scientists. Wikipedia ariticle on ''Annalen der Physik'' says that its articles are peer-reviewed. For people who don't accept reality, here's the information for people wishing to make submissions, from their web site:
:::SUBMISSION STAGE
:::Only original papers not yet published and not simultaneously submitted for publication elsewhere can be accepted.
:::"When considering submission of an article to Annalen der Physik, read the General Information (see http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/annalen) carefully. In case of any questions, contact the Editor-in-Chief. Submit your paper as simple PDF document via our online submission system (ScholarOne) at http://mc.manuscriptcentral.com/andp. Your submission must be accompanied by a statement that the paper has not been submitted simultaneously to another journal. A covering letter explaining briefly why you believe your article is appropriate for Annalen der Physik will be appreciated. Please also indicate in the cover letter the Editor to whom your paper should be forwarded. Annalen der Physik is a double peer-reviewed journal with a preceding editorial screening."

Anyone wishing to submit Conservapedia's [[Counterexamples to Relativity]] page to ''Annalen der Physik'' is welcome to do so. Let us now how it turns out. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

===Sam: Water? You mean like from the toilet? Sam's equivocations===

''I think it is unseemly to put a reference to toilets in a subheading, so that anyone looking at the table of contents will see it. This has nothing to do with the subject being discused.'' [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:22, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

He never said it, but it's almost if you'd've expected him to, the way he equivocates, which means only using a word's definition in the sense that is convenient to him as a conveyance to different subjects as pleasing as they are irrelevant. A vivid denunciation in a header and the lede, followed by interpretations that could mean almost anything and prove nothing. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 09:45, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

I'm sure SamHB knows ''nothing'' about embarrassment (see below), so he wouldn't understand why a peer reviewer would want to praise a paper of Einstein's, whether he believed it or not. Faking that 1919 paper is like winning the Heisman trophy and then later finding out the player had been taking steroids. To physicists on the "team", overturning the reputation of relativity scientists would have to be prevented at any cost! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 09:54, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

:::Peer review is overrated. Scientific fraud is relatively high now and peer review doesn't seem to be making an appreciable difference in stopping its uptick. And right now, academia is filled with corruption.
::::There is much truth to what you say. There is a lot of dishonesty in the scientific field, as there is in all fields. But Einstein's papers have been informally but effectively "peer reviewed" thousands of times over the last 115 years. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

:::My friend said that GPSs and atomic clocks confirm that Einstein was right because the technology confirms and/or is based on Einstein's work.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:34, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

::::[[Louis Essen]] invented the atomic clock, and he didn't agree. Food for thought. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 03:13, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::People who cite Louis Essen against relativity ought to read his arguments on the subject. I have found them, archived on the "wayback machine", in this 1986 paper:
:::::https://web.archive.org/web/20100619153007/http://wbabin.net/historical/waldron2.pdf
:::::and, of course, this 1988 paper:
:::::https://web.archive.org/web/20100619153007/http://wbabin.net/historical/waldron2.pdf
:::::Many similar discussions from that era may be found in this archive:
:::::https://web.archive.org/web/20100902134629/http://www.wbabin.net/ppreww.htm

Relativity deniers who want to take Essen seriously should read these papers
and distill them down to brief explanations in the Counterexamples to Relativity
page. I'll be watching, knives ready, for your additions. Until then, it is
impossible to take people's reference to Essen seriously. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

:No wonder you think anyone who helps Andy is a sycophant; you can't bear the ''thought'' of ever disputing Einstein, so with your one-sided abilities, you get others to do it for you, so additionally you don't have to admit you sought out their arguments; they were brought to you.

:Me, on the other hand, I often defend Andy's ideas whether they interest me less or more, as examples of the merits of his arguments, not in hopes of swaying his opinions simply because I can defend them, as could many other people if they were honest with themselves. It's none of your business which of Andy's articles I'm interested in, and those in which I have less interest. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 10:15, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::I had no idea. My high school algebra teacher was better than my physics teacher. One of the editors of the User: Conservative account went to a strict private school. I went to some good public schools, but frankly, most private, strict, religious schools are better than public schools in the USA. By strict, I mean they have higher standards including more homework.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:50, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
::::::Cons, I agree. A lot of schools have scandalously low standards, and many religious schools are bucking that trend. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::The more you understand about this 1972 incident, the more embarrassing it gets. It's even worse than the 1919 star-bending fakery that made Einstein famous. The results were predicted from the theory of the nature of gravity as a field and motion path studies, but they used special relativity theory having to do with uniform relative velocity to solve the equations.
:::::What are you referring to? To me, the phrase "1972 incident" refers to the Watergate break-in. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::::I'm not surprised you don't know! Just look how you messed up the heading hierarchy in your attempts to "be cool". [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 10:51, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::The atomic clocks were de-synchronized in the experiment by as much as 300 nanoseconds. But they didn't use all the data, so they could have cherry-picked them. And they use a kind of statistical renormalization on the data, but they never give the details, and the de-synchronization may actually represent a place within the margin of precision that is statistically insignificant.

::::The journal ''Science'' apparently refused to make a retraction, and the journal ''Nature'' definitely wouldn't publish a report of the anomalies, but a Creationist journal did. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 10:22, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

::::The embarrassment continues to this very day. The gravity wave detector project claimed to discover gravity waves, but why did they first leak the results to a non-scientist atheist activist that you profiled who couldn't authenticate it? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 10:29, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::What "embarrassment" are you talking about? To whom was the discovery leaked? Was the leak improper? Does it invalidate the discovery of gravity waves? See [[Gravitational waves]] for our article on the subject, by the way. Is it significant that this person was an atheist? An "activist"? A "non-scientist"? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
::::::It's a pity that someone like you, from whom we see undeniable glimpses of genius, is so uneducated. You seem as though you know virtually nothing about creationist science. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 10:26, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
:::::::I believe I'm actually fairly well educated, though you are certainly welcome to disagree. And you are right in that I know nothing about "creationist science". There is no such field. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:49, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
::::::::That's peculiar...the six laws of Statics were proven in the Middle Ages before the widespread rise of empirical science centuries later, the only kind of science many recognize, yet few of those same people would say that Statics is not a physical science just because it appeared in the Middle Ages, mainly because it's not attached to any questions of Ultimate Justice. Other medieval sciences are and reason to conclusions with articles of faith, sacred history and theology with hierarchies in authority drawn out as their hypotheses, because there may be no other way of approaching the ultimate truths...yet saying as much isn't good enough; it still won't be allowed as a science; if we were to read into your motives, we might discover it ''needs'' to be maintained as having no existence whatsoever, and at any cost! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 21:41, 21 July 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::A Google search for the phrase "six laws of Statics" leads only to a CP article on [[Mechanics]] here at CP, with that phrase added by you two days ago. With no explanation of what those six laws are. In any case, the validity of a scientific notion is not affected by whether it was established in the Middle Ages, or whether it relates to "Ultimate Justice".

:::::::::And you might do well to stick to the topic, rather than engaging in general speculation about my education. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 13:27, 26 July 2020 (EDT)
::::::::::See above about your learnèdness (do a browser text search for "learn"). The topic was, you said creation science wasn't a field. If you say you know scientific notions were, or could have been, established in the Middle Ages, why do you think you know creation science isn't a field? Do you think any field is contained under "theological science"?

::::::::::If you're still interested, search ("Six fundamental principles of mechanics" Newton). [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 21:05, 26 July 2020 (EDT)

::::::::::What follows in quotation marks has to do with what led to that topic—answering what you asked about the leak of gravity wave detector results to someone who couldn't authenticate them before I mentioned creation science (which had to do with the fact that other bad relativity-related experimental results being refuted and appearing in a creation science journal rather than larger journals who refused to retract what the author of the refutation disproved) three sections up and five days ago.
:::::::::::"Yes, and, without prejudice to the existence of Relativity, field theories of gravity of whatever source call for such things as gravity waves. You seem to think its fairly tolerable exercise in Physics to 'frame a guilty man' [earlier suspicious discrepancies in gravity wave experiments and published experiments of other relativity topics earlier in history] and then go on to expect (insist that?) others to continue to regard those methods with the same esteem. I don't think that needs an extended commentary to indicate room for honest doubt even among the disinterested. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 20:47, 21 July 2020 (EDT)"
::::::::::[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 21:53, 26 July 2020 (EDT)

=== Sam HB, I worked for a company based in Framingham, Massachusetts ===

SamHB, I worked for a company based in Framingham, Massachusetts. Here is a news story for you: [https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/20170630/strange-accent-leads-to-framingham-arrest Strange accent leads to Framingham arrest].
:Thanks for that story. I had expected it to be about the "pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd" accent that people wrongly ascribe to Massachusetts folks. But instead it was about a police officer who was so knowledgeable about Spanish that he picked up on someone not having the Puerto Rican accent that he should have had. By the way, the "pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd" canard is way overblown. Most Bostonians/Cantabrigians don't talk that way, because (a) mass communication (i.e. television) has homogenized the language, and (b) most people other than the elderly came to the area from elsewhere in order to attend college, and are still there. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:48, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

By the way, a message to all people from Boston, Massachusetts: Stop pronouncing the word car wrong!
[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:20, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
:OK, suh. I mean OK sir! [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:48, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

== 66+ day challenge ==

I am taking at least a 73 day sabbatical from editing Conservapedia (possibly longer). And I have asked the other editor who uses my account not to edit Conservapedia for 66 days as well. So the soonest I would edit Conservapedia is November 4, 2020. It will be interesting to see who wins the presidential election, but I am not counting on American politicians to make my life better.

As you may recall, I shared with you this social science study about habit formation/changes:

*[http://jamesclear.com/new-habit Cognitive psychology research: It takes 66 days for the average person to develop a new habit so it is automatic].
*[http://elitedaily.com/life/motivation/need-stop-bad-habit-need-66-days/784244/ Scientists Say It Only Takes 66 Days To Change Your Life, If You're Strong Enough]

I see a lot of foolishness happening in American politics from both aisles of the political aisle and I can only watch so much foolishness without it adversely affecting my disposition.

In addition, there are some excellent things happening right now with me and I want to do my best to capitalize on them.

The Apostle Paul said, "Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win. Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Therefore I run in such a way, as not without aim; I box in such a way, as not beating the air; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified." - The Apostle Paul, 1 Corinthians 9:24-27

I am involved in some very competitive endeavors and there are some nice things happening in my personal life as well. In addition, I made some promises to people and it is always good to be stickler when it comes to keeping one's promises to others.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:56, 23 August 2020 (EDT)

== Dr. Steve Turley. What happened? ==

Dr. [[Steve Turley]] made it seem like on January 6, 2020, Mike Pence would exercise the "Pence Option" which would start the process of getting Donald Trump to be the rightful winner of the 2020 election.

What happened? Was the highly educated Dr. Steve Turley wrong?

:I think that Dr. Steve Turley, being highly educated, knew that Vice President Pence's role in counting the electoral votes was purely ceremonial, and that he had no ability to overturn the certified election results from the states. In any case, I seem to recall that there was an insurrection against the government of the United States of America, that would have hampered any such action. Fortunately, the insurrectionists have been arrested and are awaiting trial. And President Biden's victory is firmly established by all but some crazy people.

:I doubt that Dr. Turley ever said that Vice President Pence would do anything to overthrow the election. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:07, 17 May 2021 (EDT)

"People of low standing are only breath, and people of rank are a lie; In the balances they go up. Together they are lighter than breath." - Psalm 62:9

"This is what the LORD says: “Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind And makes flesh his strength...". - Jeremiah 17:5

"But Jesus, on His part, was not entrusting Himself to them, because He knew all people, and because He did not need anyone to testify about mankind, for He Himself knew what was in mankind." - John 2: 24-25[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:57, 8 January 2021 (EST)

== Dr. Steve Turley is quitting his professor job and going full-time to promote right-wing populism ==

Dr. [[Steve Turley]] is quitting his professor job and going full-time to promote right-wing populism.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gQYYFQqwvU]

The excitement is raging![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:17, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

:Cons: you frequently surprise me with your almost-sensible statements on a number of issues, though this isn't one of them. It makes me wish I had more time to spend discussing things with you. I often go for weeks without noticing things that you have written, like your entry above from 4 months ago.

:Usually the things that are recommended to me here at CP are YouTube videos, spoken in a monotone voice from what appears to be someone's basement, about something incredibly stupid like Young-Earth Creationism. And, in general, I don't give much credence to people who communicate with videos instead of the written word. But maybe I need to accept that times are changing, and that videos are the way even intelligent people sometimes communicate.

:From what I have seen, Dr. Turley might be a decent and intelligent person. I'll have to check him out. When I have time. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:07, 17 May 2021 (EDT)
== Interesting writing program at University of Chicago ==

See:

*[https://news.uchicago.edu/story/how-one-scholar-shaped-writing-generations-students How one UChicago scholar has shaped writing for generations of students]

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFwVf5a3pZM&list=PL3C9AJX5guQ3InvFCHMgoksJSkTUl7Nx8 Writing Beyond the Academy]

Chicago has a rich history in some ways ([[Milton Friedman]], [[Chicago School of Economics]], [[Dwight Moody]], etc.). It's a shame the city is on downward spiral right now (at least in some sections of the city). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:36, July 10, 2021 (EDT)

== Der Spiegel: Finland was the best at handling the coronavirus pandemic. Once again, countries with a Protestant cultural heritage shine very brightly! ==

[[File:Flag of Finland.png|right|100px]]
''Der Spiegel'' indicates that [[Finland]] was the best at handling the coronavirus pandemic based on an index based on excess mortality, restrictions on people's lives and liberty, GDP performance and vaccination coverage.[https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/der_spiegel_finland_best_at_handling_pandemic/12017084]

See also: [[Essay: An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland.|An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland]]

The national flag of Finland has a cross on it which reflects its [[Christian]] heritage. See: [[Protestant cultural legacies]]

I hope this clarifies things further. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:54, July 14, 2021 (EDT)

==References==
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== Another Conservapedia Insight ==

I'd love to hear your input on the latest insight "''Conservapedia was the first to boldly declare that [[pi]] contains [[pi]], despite [[liberal denial]] of the breadth and power of [[infinity]].''"

OTOH, I totally understand that you don't wish to touch this one.... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 16:34, August 17, 2021 (EDT)

Conservapedia insights

2021-08-16T13:16:07Z

AugustO: Undo side-effect of previous edit

This is a growing list of '''Conservapedia insights''', which includes items recognized or emphasized here well before recognition by an official agency, by [[liberals]], or by the general public:


#There have been 91 (and growing) controversial predictions by Conservapedia which have proven to be true. ''See [[Conservapedia proven right]]''.
#Conservapedia observed the likelihood that [[Jesus]] wrote the [[Epistle to the Hebrews]] -- ''see'' [[Mystery:Did Jesus Write the Epistle to the Hebrews?]]
#Conservapedia promptly pointed out that [[Fidel Castro]] almost certainly died in 2006 (not 2016), as later proven by how [[Obama]] visited [[Cuba]] without seeing or even mentioning him.
#Conservapedia observed that "[[Son of Man]]" is a [[liberal]] mistranslation to downplay the divinity of [[Jesus]], and that a stronger, more precise translation would be "The Son as Man" or "The Son, a Man."
#Conservapedia was the first to observe that the number of new conservative terms [[Essay:Best New Conservative Words|doubles by century]]. This ensures that the future is always increasingly [[conservative]], despite [[liberal bias]]. ''See also'' [[Essay:Conservapedia's Law|Conservapedia Law]], which states that the number of conservative insights increases over time at a geometric rate.
#Conservapedia has long observed the implausibility of, and inconsistency in, [[Barack Obama]]'s claims to have converted to Christianity. On September 7, 2008, Obama referred to his "Muslim faith" in a nationally televised interview.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zQK_EhDhZQ][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I]
#Conservapedia developed and sent a [[Letter to PNAS]] that identified five (5) specific flaws to a paper it published by [[Richard Lenski]] and others. The Lenski paper had been in [[peer review]] for no more than a mere 14 days prior to its publication by PNAS. More than a month after the flaws was publicly posted on Conservapedia, there was still no adequate explanation of the flaws, or corrections made. The [[Letter to PNAS]] was officially accepted by PNAS's electronic submission system in a form substantially similar to its presentation here.
#Conservapedia has long observed that girls are injured in sports at much higher rates than boys, and how [[liberals]] denial or downplay it.<ref>''See, e.g.'', point #6 in [[liberal denial]], under "more generally."</ref> Finally, on May 11, 2008, the [[New York Times]] recognized this fact by finally admitting that a girl's soccer team "with 18 players, had suffered eight A.C.L. tears — eight — during her high-school years. ... The rate of concussions sustained by high school girls who play soccer is 1.5 times the rate for boys who play soccer."<ref>https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/magazine/11Girls-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin</ref>
#On Jan. 27, 2008, Conservapedia criticized [[Harvard]]'s decision to have [[J.K. Rowling]] as its commencement speaker shortly after she catered to the [[homosexual]] agenda.<ref>See [[Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/January 2008#January_27|Our Archives]]</ref> Over three months later and as the commencement day approached, the Harvard newspaper (the "Crimson") published a similar criticism: "A petty pop culture personality of questionable permanence will send us on our merry way, while figures of real substance wait in the wings."<ref name="jk">http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/JK-Rowling-to-speak-at.4049866.jp</ref> "Our commencement speaker tricked parents into letting their kids read books filled with sex, murder, and homosexual role models."<ref name="jk" />
#Conservapedia first recognized the [[liberal]] push for an [[Affirmative Action President]]. On Feb. 4, 2008, ten days after this entry appeared here, Michael Savage commented that, if elected, [[Barack Obama]] will be the first Affirmative Action President, as he has such a small amount of political (or military) experience.<ref>For example, popular radio commentator [[Michael Savage]] observed, "We have a woman and a multi-ethnic man running for office on the Democrat side. Is this not akin to a -- an affirmative action election? Isn't that why the libs are hysterical, tripping over themselves to say amen and yes to this affirmative election vote?" Savage added, "America's not ready for an affirmative action presidency." [http://mediamatters.org/items/200802040008]</ref> On March 10, 2008, an article is posted on myMaineToday.com entitled, "Are We Ready For An Affirmative Action President?"<ref>http://my.mainetoday.com/story.html?ID=2110</ref> On March 11, 2008, John Harwood published an article on CNBC's website entitled, "Obama: Affirmative Action Candidate?!"<ref>https://www.cnbc.com/id/23579121/</ref> On March 12, 2008, Joseph Farah, founder of Worldnetdaily.com, published a column entitled, "The affirmative-action president."<ref>https://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=58632</ref>
#Conservapedia first recognized the remarkably high correlation between Hollywood figures and plight of breast cancer at a young age, which suggests that their lifestyle plays a role in increasing the likelihood of that tragic disease.<ref>[[Mystery:Young Hollywood Breast Cancer Victims‎]].</ref>
#Conservapedia has noted that the theory of relativity [[Counterexamples to Relativity|cannot possibly be true]], and has exposed that the theory is highly advocated by liberals who use it to promote moral relativism. In particular, Conservapedia has noted several passages from the Bible that are at odds with relativity, like John 4:46-54.
#Conservapedia has discovered new instances of [[Biblical scientific foreknowledge]]. Not all the entries are Conservapedia originals, but some of them are. Examples include several cases of quantum mechanical knowledge in the Bible: the transformation of water into wine by Jesus may imply that the drink was in a superposition of water state and wine state, and the fact that Jesus appeared before his Apostles in a completely closed room in John 20:26 may be foreshadowing quantum tunnelling.
#Conservapedia has noted that the English language has been progressively [[Secularized Language|secularized]] by liberals, homosexuals, atheists, evolutiionists and leftists, in an attempt to remove the Christian origins of our language. This secularization is actively supported by the [[lamestream media]].
#The more [[liberal]]s/[[Leftism|leftists]] bellyache about a [[conservative]] article, the better it is. The dog that yelps the loudest is the one that got hit by a stone (Similarly, the cat that yelps the loudest is the one that got hit by a shoe). Likewise, when bomber planes are directly over a target that is when they get the most flack.

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February 3, 2020 - September 30, 2020 - '''145,228''' page impressions per day.

November 3, 2020 - Election day.
:hypestat: '''33K''' visitors and '''206,000''' page impressions per day.

November 23, 2020 - DDoS attack

'''December 29, 2020''' - started keeping records in Slack.
Country Alexa Rank
United States '''#63,303'''
:hypestat: '''27.1K''' visitors and 67,786 page impressions per day.

January 2021 - Similiarweb data [https://www.similarweb.com/website/conservapedia.com/]
United States '''#31,638'''

'''February 1, 2021''' - throughout Capitol riot and impeachment.
United States '''#33,508'''

February 3, 2021 - Rob's de-sysoping.

February 11, 2021
:hypestat: '''24.7K''' daily visitors Daily Pageviews 61,624.

February 13, 2021 - Last Google cache until March 25, 2021

February 15, 2021
United States #36,617

February 16, 2021
:hypestat: '''23.7K''' visitors and 56,793 page impressions per day.

February 17, 2021
United States #40,319

February 19, 2021
United States #45,529

February 23, 2021
United States #50,091

February 24, 2021
United States #58,914

February 28, 2021
United States #61,140

March 1, 2021
United States #72,355

March 2, 2021
United States #81,250

March 3, 2021
United States #87,177

March 4, 2021
United States #94,183
:hypestat: '''21.2K''' visitors and 52,997 page impressions per day

March 5, 2021
:hypestat: '''20.7K''' visitors and 51,764 page impressions per day

March 6, 2021
United States #99,248

March 7, 2021
United States #109,993
:'''#158,631''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days

March 8, 2021
United States '''#120,617'''

March 30, 2021
:hypestat: 20.7K visitors and '''49,694''' page impressions per day
:2.4 Daily Pageviews per Visitor
:2:27 Daily Time on Site
:Traffic Sources Past 30 Days 24% Search

April 2, 2021
:2.3 Daily Pageviews per Visitor
:2:24 Daily Time on Site

April 4, 2021
:2:14 Daily Time on Site

April 5, 2021 - RobSmith blocked until April 12, 2021

April 11, 2021
:'''172,231''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days
:'''2:12''' Daily Time on Site
:hypestat: '''19.2K''' visitors and 44,221 page impressions per day
:new lows

April 12, 2021
:'''173,873''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days
:'''2.2''' Daily Pageviews per Visitor
:news lows

April 13, 2021
:'''175,407''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days
:hypestat: '''18.7K''' visitors and '''41,214''' page impressions per day
:new lows

Restored - welcome back.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:14, 17 April 2021 (EDT)
:Thank you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:49, 18 April 2021 (EDT)

April 23, 2021
:'''130,885''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days
:United States '''#34,760'''
:'''6.3''' Daily Pageviews per Visitor
:'''7:08''' Daily Time on Site
:hypestate: '''19.7K''' visitors and '''120,290''' page impressions per day.
:Estimated value of Conservapedia.com is $976,213.61
:near term highs

:Karajou reinstated

April 24, 2021
United States '''#29,655'''
:new near term high

May 2, 2021
:hypestat: '''17.7K''' visitors and '''177,477''' page impressions per day.
:Monthly Visits (SEMrush): 169,321
:Monthly Unique Visitors (SEMrush): 124,005
:Monthly Visits (SimilarWeb): 366,059
:Daily Unique Visitors: 17,748
:daily visitors down 2,000

May 4, 2021
:hypestat: '''17.3K''' visitors and 258,821 page impressions per day.
:loss of another 400 viewers.
:Analysis: the trolls have the Alexa App - which gathers the information Alexa uses - installed on their browsers and leave open pages on their browser 24 hours a day while they do reconnaissance on which pages to target, in addition to their routine trolling. This distorts Time on site and Page views per visitor stats, with a direct impact on Alexa ranking stats.

July 6, 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 23.7K''' visitors per day

July 8 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 24.2K''' visitors per day

July 9, 2021
:hypestat: ''' approximately 24.7K''' visitors per day

July 14, 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 25.1K visitors per day'''

July 18, 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 23.7K''' visitors per day

July 19, 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 23.2K visitors'''

July 26, 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 22.7K visitors '''

July 27, 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 22.2K visitors'''

August 8, 2021
:hypestat: '''23.2K visitors'''

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== Hey, Rob. ==

Where can I find the inactive template? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayoise the editor]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 20:40, 4 March 2021 (EST)
:Copy paste it from here. [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:RobSmith&action=edit] Incidentally, I reviewed both your stub about the Welsh guy and the WP article, and didn't see any "copying" from Wikipedia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]
:Unless of course you call reporting historical facts "copying". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:03, 4 March 2021 (EST)

== Another question. ==

Have you ever heard of everipedia? --[[User:Yeschayi|Builder]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 21:11, 4 March 2021 (EST)
:Sounds vaguely familiar. What is it? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:13, 4 March 2021 (EST)
:It’s similar to Wikipedia. It basically ported Wikipedia’s articles over. --[[User:Yeschayi|Builder]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 21:14, 4 March 2021 (EST)
::Sounds interesting They're ranked 26,000 globally and 8,000 domestically. [https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/everipedia.org] They eventually are concerned about their rank, competitiveness, and readership. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:31, 4 March 2021 (EST)
:::Does this article look bad for a start? https://conservapedia.com/Battle_of_Stamford_Bridge
::::No. It doesn't look anymore copied from Wikipedia any more than Conservapedia copied the idea of a source of knowledge from Wikipedia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:02, 4 March 2021 (EST)
::::So much for quitting eh Rob?--[[User:Mercian12|Mercian12]] ([[User talk:Mercian12|talk]]) 19:44, 12 March 2021 (EST)
:::::I'm looking for a few doggie biscuits. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:47, 12 March 2021 (EST)

== Greetings RobS, how are you doing? ==

Hello, Rob. I'm back. Hope you've been well. Thanks for all your efforts and hard work in making Conservapedia the great place that it is. I wonder if you've seen the recent Gordon Cromwell Report on the Status of Global Christianity 2021? I'm praying and working for Global Christianity to reach 3 Billion Souls - wow, how pleasing that would be to the Lord Jesus - by 2030. Please work with me and may all Christians unite for Christendom's sake!

In Our Lord Jesus,
Nishant X. God Bless.

:Thank you. Good to see you. Hope you've been well. Did you know that 20% of all CP traffic right now is coming from India? Your timing of a comeback couldn't have been better. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:57, 21 March 2021 (EDT)

:Welcome back NishantXavier! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 00:06, 22 March 2021 (EDT)

Great to know, Rob! India is going to rise to internet prominence in the next decade, with an estimated 1 billion internet users by 2025! https://www.analyticsinsight.net/india-estimated-to-reach-1-billion-internet-users-by-2025/ Thanks for all your great efforts in promoting Conservapedia! Together, we can reach the world, your country, the great USA, my country, my beloved India, for the Gospel, and the Conservative Cause!

I pray Our Lord Jesus will richly bless you and reward you for your good efforts in contributing to the Cause, in this life and the next. God Bless.

Edit: Thanks, LT. You're the reason I returned. Thanks for emailing me to remind me. Thanks for all your great work in promoting Conservapedia too![[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]][[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]] 00:09, 22 March 2021 (EDT)

Hi Rob. Please see if you can contribute to this article: https://conservapedia.com/Debate:_Will_Christianity_reach_3_billion_adherents_by_2030 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]][[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]] 04:35, 26 March 2021 (EDT)

== My update to the civility guideliness ==

Andy approved my addition to the civility portion of the [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|Conservapedia guidelines]].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:33, 29 March 2021 (EDT)

:This is the update I created: "For content disputes, be reasonable and make every effort to use an article's talk page to have a cordial and constructive dialogue. Stick to the facts in content disputes and back up your facts with a source or sources. If you are proposing alternative content in a content dispute, it must be sourced. Do not engage in personal attacks. Avoid bringing up irrelevant past disputes with editors and stick to the content dispute at hand. If you have a content dispute with another editor, do not immediately post to the other editor's personal talk page. The article talk pages is where the vast majority of discussion should take place. Avoid unnecessary content disputes by sourcing your article content."[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:34, 29 March 2021 (EDT)

== RobS and Northwest content disputes involving historical matters ==

I see a lot of disputes between RobS and NorthWest involving historical disputes. Below I give some great rules of weighing historical evidence.

=== Recommendations related to historical claims made by this article and information related to historiography ===

*[http://amorebeautifulquestion.com/historians-view-of-questioning/ Some keen insights from Pulitzer Prize–winner David Hackett Fischer]

*[http://historiansgaze.blogspot.com/2013/09/history-1701-reading-for-week-two.html Introduction to history]

*[http://historiansgaze.blogspot.com/2009/10/7-habits-of-highly-effective-historians.html 7 habits of highly effective historians]

"Fischer, David Hackett, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper Collins, 1970). In only approximately 300 pages, Fischer surveys an immense amount of background historical literature to point out a comprehensive variety of analytical errors that many, if not most, historians commit. Fischer points out specific examples of faulty or sloppy reasoning in the work of even the most prominent historians, making it a useful book for beginning students of history. While this book presumably did not make Fischer popular with many of his peers, it should be noted that his contributions as a historian have not been limited simply to criticizing the work of others; since 1976, he has published a number of well-received books on other historical topics."[http://history.nasa.gov/thinking/hist-4.html]

==== Fischer's 7 habits of sound historiography ====

Fischer's 7 rules for historians taken from [[Josh McDowell]]'s book The New Evidence that Demands a Verdict:

(1) The burden of proof for a historical claim is always upon the one making the assertion.

(2) Historical evidence must be an answer to the question asked and not to any other question.

(3) "An historian must not merely provide good evidence, but the best evidence. And the best evidence, all other things being equal, is the evidence which is most nearly immediate to the event itself."

(4) Evidence must always be affirmative. Negative evidence is no evidence at all. In other words, Fischer is saying that an absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence.

(5) The meaning of any historical evidence is dependent upon the context from which it is obtained from.

(6) "An empirical statement must not be more precise than its evidence warrants."

(7) "All inferences from historical evidence are probabilistic."

Josh McDowell's Evidence that Demands a Verdict, page 674, 1999, Mark MCGarry, Texas Type and Book Works, Dallas, TX, ISBN 0-7852-4219-8)

=== Fischer's 6 principles of question framing for historical investigations ===

*[https://sites.google.com/site/historiography101fischer/ Fischer's 6 principles of question framing] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:11, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

I hope this helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:48, 31 March 2021 (EDT)

== Black Lives Matter / Stacey Abrams / Noah Green ==

What was the idea of undoing [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Black_Lives_Matter&curid=138053&diff=1741707&oldid=1741699 my edits] in the [[Black Lives Matter]] article, which I intended to clean up part of the article (including replacing liberal-preferred terms with more appropriate ones) and add info? Also regarding [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Stacey_Abrams&curid=152713&diff=1741677&oldid=1717133 the edit you pointed out] in the Stacey Abrams article, I didn't miss it because it was accurate and sourced and it didn't need to be dealt with. In the [[Noah Green]] article, I also replaced the New York Times and Mediaite links with one from TGP because [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages#Partisanship of Sources|per CP's guidelines, liberal news sources (such as the NYT and Mediaite) are not trustworthy due to their partisan bias and penchant for blatantly lying to suit the liberal narrative]]. Are you just trying to stir up trouble again because I'm actually trying to get articles cleaned up? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 03:10, 3 April 2021 (EDT)

:I just reviewed the CP Guidelines page you linked to, and nowhere on that page does the phrase "liberal news sources" appear, let alone your specific parenthetical inclusions. Nice try. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:34, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

== Re: Your recent post on my talk page ==

In case you didn't get the memo, Islam is not a "race", and making such a false accusation (as well as falsely accusing me of "trolling") is not only a case of you doing the trolling yourself (and trying to start yet another fight), but by making it about race when it has nothing to do with such (which [[liberalism and racism|only liberals do]]), you're displaying racism yourself. Tread lightly. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 10:04, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

:Full disclosure: here is the text of an email I just sent to Andy.
{{quotebox|"I have just cause to be angry about User: Northwest's racist trolling. RobSmith edits under his real life identity. In an effort to find neutral language for the birther movement, I am the Admin who reverted Northwest's racist trolling and put in "said to be born in Honolulu" (as cited by Eugene Robinson of WaPo). I cleaned up Northwest's racist trolling in at least a half dozen articles with neutral compromise language. For those efforts, there now is a webpage on the internet calling me a racist and birther, for which I am neither. And Northwest does not edit under his true life identity.

Andy can't be involved in all aspects of CP day-to-day, but had I blocked Northwest for 5 years in 2017 for what on its face looks like subversive racist trolling, Conservapedia would still be in the 30,000 today rather than fighting to remain in top 90,000.

By Andy's actions, trusting and rewarding racists trolls while disciplining good-faith users who risked their own names and reputations, not to mention dedicating their valuable time and lives to the project, makes the notion of CP being a meritocracy a joke. Andy needs to wake up and smell the coffee.}}
I suggest you stop stalking pages I create edit or create, stop harassing other users, and stop making threats and allow Andy to complete his full review. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 10:32, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

:So basically, you lied to Andy and you're lying now on your own talk page (while still trying to make trouble, make false accusations, start fights, play the "victim" and project your own racism and trolling while making your imagined issue about race, even though it actually has nothing to do with race). All you're doing is still making yourself look bad in the process. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 11:40, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

::Why is it you sound more like a program than a thinking human being? Why are all responses programmed ("only liberals call people racists, therefore you are a liberal", "the NYT is liberal, therefore bad, wrong, and evil", etc). If you are not a sockpuppet of Karajou, you likely advanced your CP career by parroting him. Only Karajou is capable of human reason, emotion, and discussion. You are not. You sound like program whose only purpose is to harm the project and sow division. Conservapedia has suffered the likes of your kind in the past. It's nothing new. And don't threaten me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:49, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

== I saw Karajou lost his admin. ==

Have you seen yet? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 05:14, 21 April 2021 (EDT)
:Not til now. Looks like a policy shift away from arbitrary blocking and enforcement of site policies. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 05:17, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

== Is his death date known? ==

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Schweter --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 12:28, 21 April 2021 (EDT)
:According to the German wiki, unknown. [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Schweter] If no body was recovered, he may have disappeared into the Soviet gulag or was executed on the spot after I945. The same fate happened to hundreds of thousands at that time. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:46, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

== Question. ==

Who can start Conservapedia projects? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 17:49, 24 April 2021 (EDT)

:Anybody, I guess. Unless a senior Admin tries to kill it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:51, 24 April 2021 (EDT)

::I recently made a proposal for comment at the Community Portal and another Admin hit the SiteAdmin panic button, shut the site down, claimed it was an attempt by Rationalwiki to take over the site, and I got de-sysoped. So honestly, I don't know how to answer your question. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:55, 24 April 2021 (EDT)

== Hey RobS. ==

How are you. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 16:21, 30 April 2021 (EDT)
:I'm breathing and still have a pulse. But the deep state still has its knee on my neck. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:30, 30 April 2021 (EDT)

== Nice Edit! ==
I saw the edit to my contribution on the article [[Democratic Plantation]] regrading Sen. Tim Scott. I concur... [[User:Let us eat lettuce|Let us eat lettuce]] ([[User talk:Let us eat lettuce|talk]]) 21:17, 3 May 2021 (EDT)

== Rob. ==

Are the images on this page able to be used on the person's article (if they have one)?

https://conservapedia.com/Gallery_of_British_Heroes --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 09:54, 8 May 2021 (EDT)
:I don't see why not. We stopped paying rent to them a long time ago. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:34, 8 May 2021 (EDT)

== Re: Conservapedia Guidelines ==

Pointing out your abuses of power and your own incivility, false accusations (i.e. "violation of 90/10", which I did ''not'' do if you'd pay attention to my contributions page) and attacks on me is ''not'' "attacking" - and besides, as the guidelines themselves say, my user page, my castle. And incidentally, you yourself are guilty of incivility, bullying, ridiculing and attacking other users here (per your history), so you have no ground to stand on with your argument. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 16:45, 10 May 2021 (EDT)

== I need your opinion. ==

How is this article so far?

https://conservapedia.com/Joseph_D._Sayers --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 17:49, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

:Well, it's interesting how he went from Birth to fighting in Civil War battles. Perhaps you need more subdivisions or retitle "Birth" as "Early life". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:54, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

== New Discussion - Friendly Notice ==

Hey RobSmith. I just wanted to let you know I started a discussion about new content (Maybe a new article for it) about content on Wikipedia. You can see the discussion here: [[Conservapedia:Community Portal#Discussion for a possible new Wikipedia Article]]. I am letting the active editors know about the discussion. Feel free to drop your opinion in it! --[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 18:12, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
==Thanks Rob==

Hi Rob. Thanks so much.

Kudos to the great work you do.

Question. I noticed, sometimes, there is a block from editing any page, there appears only the 'view sources,' page stating, only administrators can edit.

I see it takes some time from the time I edit a page and seeing the edit while signed on, till it appears to the 'outside world.'

If/when I do have images, how does one upload it here, or how do I send them to you rather?

Thinking of a page dedicated to the issue of using civilians by anti-Anerican and anti-Israel forces. There are images from certain domains. Is there a way you can upload them, so that it is saved, conserved-on-conservapedia?

God bless.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:(1) We have a robot Minuteman who does temporary autoblocks when it detects unusual activity, such as adding or removing large blocks of text. It accidentally blocked you for about 5 minutes last night til I caught it. Sorry for the inconvenience. We can work around it.

:(2) As to images, just place a link here on my talk page and I'll upload it. Please make sure it's not copyright material, like the Associated Press for example.

:Thanks again, you're doing great work. I'm trying to cover all bases by creating Redirects. So far I have [[2021 Gaza War]] and [[2021 Hamas war]]. We'll probably do a [[2021 Isreali-Palestinian conflict]] eventually as well. But we also need a title to emphasize that attacks are coming from Lebanon and Syria,as well. Any suggestions? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:10, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

:: Sounds great.
Here are links to images re human shields:
The BBC image, its URL source is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6166998.stm which contains several.

https://sderotmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/hamashumanshields.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4422/2704/1600/palestinianuseofhumanshields1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xlOQjfLk_ks/SWKuHzgvc9I/AAAAAAAAAC4/7MiTOUg3rWc/s1600-h/terrorchildren2.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WPgVvOHdsLQ/maxresdefault.jpg

https://www.hakolhayehudi.co.il/Uploads/pics/%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%9F_%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%99.jpg

https://www.outlookindia.com/public/uploads/gallery/20040512/gaza_palestinian_militants_040512.jpg

https://avaazdo.s3.amazonaws.com/350db222d9c32f2bca8e1ebea01ae80d.png

https://static.educalingo.com/img/en/800/human-shield.jpg

https://www.israelhayom.co.il/sites/default/files/images/articles/2018/04/21/152433084061_b.jpg

https://ynet-images1.yit.co.il/PicServer5/2018/04/22/8485009/10030432_10030449_rumble.jpg

https://unwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Children-in-Hamas-Summer-Gamp.jpg

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2014/08/fff-e1408151169183.jpg

https://img.mako.co.il/2011/04/12/166411.jpg

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2017/12/Using-an-Ambulance-as-a-Shield-2.jpeg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42337000/jpg/_42337228_women_afp.jpg

https://www.idf.il/media/27099/hamas-children.png

http://www.thetower.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/FeaturedImage_2018-08-23_155940_YouTube_Hamas_Human_Shields.jpg

https://blinchiki.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/human-shield-2.jpg

[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:[https://conservapedia.com/Special:Log/upload Heres most of them]. Give me a few minutes, I'm still working on 2 or 3. One is too large to upload, so I'm going to try something another way. If it doesn't work, you may have to look for a smaller version. I'll put the link to the uploads on the talk page, too. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:12, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

::Please take your time. No rush.

:::There all done except the [https://ynet-images1.yit.co.il/PicServer5/2018/04/22/8485009/10030432_10030449_rumble.jpg one that is too large.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:20, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

On an unrelated matter, where would the following item go:

<blockquote>[https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/joe-biden-leaves-god-out-of-the-national-day-of-prayer/amp/ Joe Biden Leaves God Out of the National Day of Prayer]. National Review. May 10, 2021. Joe Biden Leaves God Out of the National Day of Prayer</blockquote>

Blessings.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:In the Joe Biden article. I'd put it here for now [[Joseph_Biden#Unity]], and depending how much information you have I can work on integrating it into the article later. Great catch, too! [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:20, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

:: You're right.

BTW the following are related published cartoons. Should they be uploaded?

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/15638000/ngbbs47c9c30f04c8f.jpg

http://markhumphrys.com/Bitmaps/israel.11.jpg

http://image.cagle.com/152477/500/15247.png

https://images.hamodia.com/hamod-uploads/2014/07/ed-1024x736.jpg

https://www.rightsreporter.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/diritto-bellico-scudi-umani.jpg

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-07-16-Smith_C20140715HP.jpg

http://image.cagle.com/150976/500/150976.png

[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:Generally, cartoons are copyright material, so we have to look at the terms of use from the original source. Look for wording such as "permission granted with proper attribution" or some such. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:26, 19 May 2021 (EDT)
:[https://www.rightsreporter.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/diritto-bellico-scudi-umani.jpg This one] for example, we may be able to use with attribution to the photographer. if someone complains later, big deal, we'll take it down. We're not using it for commercial exploitation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:32, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

Yes. It is good that the sources of the files are posted here, in case for any complaints.

How do I use attributes (sizes) within the wiki page? (Width="" height="")?
[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:Here's the basic format: <nowiki>[[File:Paste image here.jpg|right|300px|thumb|add text here]]</nowiki>

:I typically use 300px to 350px for images in the body of articles. You can change position from right to left. The 'thumb' allows for a box to add text, which can even hold footnotes to external links. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:06, 19 May 2021 (EDT)
::Great help. Thanks for already resizing the large one there...[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:::I added the new article to Template:Terrorism, which de-orphaned the page and created several [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Human_shields_by_terrorists&limit=500 inbound internal links]. This will help in Google results. I'm looking to create more internal links to Guardian of Walls also. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:21, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

::Very smart.
BTW.

The following image, as quoted in this tweet about an Arab nurse (Yusuf Naim) resident of and working in Israel, who put in his Instagram simply "Palestinian nazi"
https://mobile.twitter.com/tzvisuccot/status/1393641393264934914/photo/1
Main tweet:
https://mobile.twitter.com/tzvisuccot/status/1393641393264934914

(Nevermind the irony. As Hitler would exterminate also the Arabs: [https://web.archive.org/web/20181121205350/https://www.independent.ie/unsorted/features/have-no-doubt-hitler-would-have-wiped-out-arabs-after-jews-26277585.html Have no doubt Hitler would have wiped out Arabs after Jews, The Independent, 24 February 2007] eventually as another "inferior race" in his eyes)

[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:This guy's a professional nurse? Those imgs can be uploaded, no problem. And if they get deleted from Twitter, we have a record here, then. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:45, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

:Arabs? Possibly. Muslims however, did [https://conservapedia.com/Adolf_Hitler#Barbarossa serve in the SS.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:49, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

::Agreed. And an Arab author explained, Hitler's people tried to convince themselves the Mufti [[Haj Amin al-Husseini]] isn't pure Arab in blood... || And the guy, Yusuf Naim is a nurse, he worked as such in the Israeli Hadassah hospital before being suspended over this. || I tried to insert this url of image https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1dG7I-XMAAiEUm.jpg , it didn't work. [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:::Your tax dollars at work. As to the Arabs, the Nazis classified their Japanese allies as "Honorary Aryans" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_Aryan] The same could have been done to Arabs for service to the Reich. But now we're into coulda woulda shoulda historical writing. All we have are facts to deal with. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:52, 19 May 2021 (EDT)
::::Hi Rob. If and when you have a chance for these two images to be uploaded, please. The second is from the BBC a few years back.

https://mida.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Web_F081218AA01.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/media/images/76535000/jpg/_76535336_shields.jpg

Thanks for everything.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 10:57, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

:[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=upload&user=RobSmith&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= Done.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:36, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

:: Rob the great one... one more here when you can - https://mfa.gov.il/MFA_Graphics/MFA%20Gallery/2011/Turkel/ambulance.jpg
Thanks. [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:::Done. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:38, 20 May 2021 (EDT) [[File:Ambulance.jpg|center|250px|thumb|]]

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Great job. Here are three images. One related to human shields. The other two to genocidal call by Hamas.

* http://www.peacewithrealism.org/images/hammad.jpg

Related to [https://palwatch.org/page/1089][https://youtu.be/RTu-AUE9ycs]

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* https://stream.org/wp-content/uploads/Memri-hamas-1.jpg

Related to [https://stream.org/hamas-wants-to-kill-all-jews-worldwide/]

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* https://likoed.nl/wp-content/uploads-plikud01/2016/03/By-Allah-we-will-dig-up-your-bones1.jpg

Related to:
[Https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-cleric-and-tv-host-abu-funun-we-will-not-leave-single-jew-dead-or-alive-our-land]

[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 23:10, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

:[https://conservapedia.com/Special:Log/upload Done]. These people are sick. I hope you don't use the ceasefire to slowdown reporting, but rather to catch up. There is so much there readers need to see and hear. Even in New York, Los Angelas, and elsewhere. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:40, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

:: You are do right. BTW, efardibg NY/LA... there is a parallel between the recent Islamic "protesters" appearing in one particular area in Manhattan violently and May 1, 2020 some Islamic "activists" taking advantage of BLM protests and carrying out an attack in LA, including graffiti of "palestine" on a synagogue. It was facilitated by a BLM operative Melina Abdullah (mostly raisd by her mother) who is a Farrakhan fan.. Why, if not intolerance was the particular Fairfax area even chosen?[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 00:23, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:::If you're too busy with events on the ground there in Israel, I can add content about it here in the U.S. and may elsewhere (London for example). Just create a subheading for it where you think it appropriate and I'll add it daily as news comes in. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:27, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::::Are you referring to something like a blog/column of updates on the main page? BTW I'm concerned about our country here in the US. But, it's just that it's so sensitive there and threat to survival and demonization are constant, at the same time. (True David VS Goliath, in many aspects) . And both countries are bound in shared values.|| Sorry to bother you with one more:
http://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/israel-pilot.jpg [https://nypost.com/2021/05/18/israeli-video-shows-mission-being-scrubbed-after-kids-were-seen/amp/ source]

[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 00:43, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::(ec)I mean separating violent protests and incidents outside Israel in the mainspace of the article. Rocket launches from Syria, for example, should probably go under their own subheading. As well as people eating in restaurants in NY and LA getting beat up.

:::::I do have Main Page access for headlines. This site however, is somewhat anti-[[neocon]] so the headlines can't be made to look like somebody is trying to drag the U.S. into war. OTOH, stories about [[AOC]] and [[The Squad]] trying to sabotage U.S. commitments to allies or being sympathetic to terrorists certainly is newsworthy. When you find a headline like that that appeals to U.S. readers, you can feed it to me and I'll see what I can do with it to link the [[Guardian of Walls]] article from the Main Page. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:50, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

:::::Latest img is uploaded. Bottomline, from my perspective, Israel is at war with Iran right now. Hamas are just the frontline foot soldiers and proxies. And most Americans do not understand this, as Biden and Kerry seek to facilitate an iranian nuclear weapon. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:59, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::Of course the main page should be about US 'direct' news. I actually joined this site when liberals tried to portrayed Ahmad Al Issa as some Trumpist-white-supremacist... BTW I'm for clarity, especially about bias in the media and that other site.. I am not advocating for any wars. For these decisions I leave for experts. . A little secret... I might be able to dig up some AOL email I sent at the time against invading Iraq. There is also a huge difference between an operation or operations and an invasion. And yes, the elephant in the room is the Islamic Republic of Iran. Weak Biden knows more than Sanders, but he is not the de-facto leader of the Dems... Radical leftists have grown stronger there (not that Omar/Tlaib are true progressives like AOC and Sanders, this pair's true agenda isn't entirely as the others in the group. Their joint appearances should not fool anyone.. The squad isn't made all of the same cloth. Though in reality, on the ground, as is, this gang is detrimental to our country for many aspects) though there is an internal struggle there. The 'conflict' in the middle east is about incitement to intolerance. Since the 1920s by the Mufti (who also assassinated the moderates) and still going on today http://palwatch.org school textbooks, plays/shows at a very young age or in mosque, which is why the April spike in attacks on Jews inside Israel who are known not to serve in the Israeli army shows the 'real' problem, beyond "issus". And of course dead kids pics are powerful in the campaign for this purpose. The element of forcefully spreading one particular religion should not be overlooked.. Further on, 'if' any attacks in the US occur they don't have to be related to 'Guardian of Walls'. Another parallel point, the race card being obsessively abused at every corner for political purposes here in God's great country is played so in the Haaretz phenomenon of the last decades (vs what it was historically they even give voice for rewriters of history), the paper's more popular outside Israel very much adopted by radical left internationally but most in Israel regard it as radical, fringe. Most Israelis have faith in God. || Here is a recent image: https://hannity.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/israel5-1.jpg
[https://hannity.com/media-room/listen-palestinian-tells-israeli-soldier-if-children-need-to-die-then-theyll-die/ source] Will embed/link the Hannity source in it|| Thanks and have a great weekend.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 10:04, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::Got it with my [https://conservapedia.com/File:Israel5-1.png Snipping tool on Windows 10.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:05, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:Great! I think you have an excellent understanding of the facts we are dealing with. Me personally, I have a deep abiding mistrust of American mainstream media, and I'm much impressed with the sources you have been using. These are the facts we can bring to readers and the American public. Feel free, please, to update [[The Squad]], AOC, or any other members' articles with their comments and reactions to these gross and vile human rights violations we are witnessing daily, or how it was facilitated by the present regime occupying the White House with cash to terrorist organizations. Or expanding the role the [[Islamic Republic of Iran]] is playing in all this. Thanks again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:53, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::Summing up your words. True, concise and precise. There are many factors in media bias [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 12:17, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:Question. How long is the delay from what is seen (edited matetial) internally by site users and external view - what is seen by all?[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 12:51, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

::I don't really know. I believe users accessing the site, like yourself or anybody else, see the current version. The question is how long before Google or others Index the site to appear in Search engine results, which I think is about 72 hours. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:53, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::IOWs, when Google scans the site, they are looking at a 72 hour old version, I think. The site owner knows those details and hasn't shared them. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:57, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:::Interesting. But in case you haven't noticed it. Try viewing a page you or others just edited. Then sign off and view at it again. Spot the difference.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
::::As I noted earlier, Conservapedia famously has been the target of trolling attacks, so new users have to go through a probationary period to establish ''bona fides''. Apparently the site owner is reviewing your edits, at which point you'll be granted more users rights, etc. (like SkipCaptcha is the bottom rung of the ladder). The problem is, he also has a fulltime job and his time can be limited. Just keep doing what your doing and there shouldn't be a problem (we've discussed the anti-neocon editorial stance already). My guess is that any alleged 'controversial' edits should be cleared in 72 hours. I'll bring this up in discussion with another Admin slated for this weekend. Let me know if something added does not appear in 72 hours. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:21, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::I see. When you get a chance,, https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Photos/itic-humanshield2.jpg
[https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Pages/Hamas-again-uses-Gazan-civilians-as-human-shields-July-2014.aspx source] And thanks again for your awesome work.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 13:25, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Itic-humanshield2.jpg Here's the latest]. Thanks for understanding. CP Admins are notorious for garbled communication and things can get fouled up. Everybody is preoccupied with their own pet projects. But I'm your advocate here and the wheels of bureaucracy grind slowly sometimes. If it's not inconvenient, you can provide to me diffs that show the lag time on edits appearing (I'm assuming nothing has been censored or removed). The time stamp on the diff could help. Thanks again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:33, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::::Thanks so much. And I was curious to ask what's the story with the cat you have in your profile. This one https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Photos/itic-humanshield.jpg belongs also to the last source. It's in Arabic
'Announcement from the ("Palestinian") ministry of the interior to the residents of the Gaza Strip, telling them not to pay attention to IDF announcements about vacating their homes'.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 13:39, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

::::::::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Itic-humanshield.jpg Here's the Arabic statement]. As to the cat, it's been an ongoing game of cat n mouse with trolls from Rationalwiki for 15 years. It's just a message that I'm always here, always watching, vetting content, ready to pounce. Some of my fellow Admins think I'm paranoid and nuts, but I know who the trolls are and can identify them easily after 15 years on the job. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:53, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::::::That site... I see. I presume CP had many hackers' attempts too in course of years, no doubts.|| This one is of the recent famous event in May 16. https://www.algemeiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2.jpg [https://www.algemeiner.com/2021/05/16/idf-releases-video-showing-pilot-aborting-air-strike-after-spotting-children-in-target-area/ source] [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 14:05, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::::::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Command_Control.jpg This img has a better resolution than the one uploaded last night]. We've experienced every kind of Crapflood and DDoS attack imaginable. Most of it can be traced to the RW network and Wikipedia Rogue Admin cabal. I wouldn't be surprised if we've come to the attention of the Chinese 50 cent Army lately. Right now, according to Alexa, visitors are spending one hour Time on Site without the actual number of unique visitors going up, which to me looks like a clickbot attack. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:17, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

== Message ==
I am sorry if I haven't responded. I just don't know that you have sent responses. I am not ignoring them. [[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 16:46, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

== Reverts and "Protected" ==
So engaging in discussion is "harassing" to you? Isn't that was is recommended and the policy? Communication? And engagement? Even if blunt? You put silly stuff on on Northwest's talk page, after did what you did. You obviously have no credibility...so it's irrelevant at this point in a way. But I'm curious.... (And I know you'll probably just dodge and delete...like a rude juvenile no-answer evasive schmuck...as you've proven what type of person and editor you are already...) But I am curious....

Why exactly did you revert me before putting that protection on that JW article, when my reverts were the justified ones? It was obvious POV-PUSHING and opinion and blog bias that was put walls of text by "David" a few months ago. So what was the reason you rudely undid my (necessary) undo, before doing what you did?

Conservapedia leans "conservative" or "right-wing", but it's still supposed to be a fairly neutral objective NPOV encyclopedia, and not a POV ''blog'' of hyper-trinitarians, JW-haters, and anti-Witness conspiracy theorists. There are other websites for that nonsense. NOT Conservapedia. So... Yeah, to you, David,...Northwest. The stuff that David added was what anti-Witness conspiracy theorists and "mainstream" biased church theologians PUT IN IN ANTI-JW BLOGS, videos, books, and private websites....not a supposedly objective encyclopedia article.

:Nope, these are true things about JWs, they're just too uncomfortable to you. The tone of your words indicates that '''you're the one who's thin-skinned.''' [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 09:17, 22 May 2021 (EDT)

David's statement of "conflicting with the Bible's teachings" is a PURE POV OPINION, having nothing to do with neutral encyclopedic anything. Because other people have the opposite view of what David put in...in that regard.

:Uh, no, "conflicting with the Bible's teachings" is '''objective fact.''' The liberal world pretends that religious beliefs are a matter of opinion, but we don't. It is just as much a fact that the "New World Translation" is an inaccurate Bible that removes all references to Christ's divinity. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 09:17, 22 May 2021 (EDT)

It doesn't matter how many contributions and edits you, or Northwest, or David has made on this site.

An editor on this thing may have hundreds of thousands of edits, hundreds of GAs, FAs, dozens of barnstars and a legion of friends-and-relations; DOESN'T MATTER....because, disruption is disruption, POV is POV, and tendentious malicious mendacious editing is tendentious malicious mendacious editing, no matter who does it.

David put in ANTI-WITNESS hateful neurotic BLOG JUNK, not professional neutral material, in those walls of texts there. And you and Northwest wrongly upheld that POV wording, tone, and nonsense. Why exactly? So then fix wording to make it more neutral and not what "conservapedia" itself thinks. Regards... [[User:Summa Verbius|Summa Verbius]] ([[User talk:Summa Verbius|talk]]) 00:08, 22 May 2021 (EDT)
:Sorry. I was just quoting the guy who removed your comments from his talk page (assuming it's a he) and in no way should it be considered an expression of personal opinion. Again, sorry if there was any misunderstanding. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:44, 22 May 2021 (EDT)

:The only thing I see in the JW article are things that are true but can make JWs uncomfortable. Of course, real JWs are not even supposed to read non-JW material. I see a JW material that just has a hard time accepting uncomfortable truths about his religion. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 09:17, 22 May 2021 (EDT)

:I don't even know what a JW is. I thought it stood for Justice Warrior. I had to delve into this trolling crap to realize it stood for Jehovah's Witness. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:54, 22 May 2021 (EDT)

== I am sorry if you think I am a liberal. ==
:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Anthony Bouchard]]

==Image==
Hi Rob. This 'Ali Alaheri' is classic. Attacking Church and Synagogue. Arrested today. Any extra explanation isn't necessary...

No. 1.
https://am23.mediaite.com/lc/cnt/uploads/2021/05/Al-Alaheri.jpeg [https://lawandcrime.com/crime/suburban-new-york-man-charged-with-torching-jewish-school-and-synagogue-trashing-catholic-church-display/ source]
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No.2.
Waseem Awawdah.
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/waseem-awawdah-1.jpg [https://nypost.com/2021/05/21/jewish-man-beaten-during-wild-midtown-protests-afraid-to-wear-yarmulke/amp/ source]
[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 22:42, 22 May 2021 (EDT)
[[File:Al-Alaheri.jpeg|500px]]
:Looks like Antifa Black Block (wearing grey). We got a new article started today you are welcome to add to. [[Palestinian violence under the Biden junta]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:44, 22 May 2021 (EDT)
:I can redo that one and crop the black out.... [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:45, 22 May 2021 (EDT)
:[https://conservapedia.com/File:Waseem-awawdah-1.jpg here's the other]. Gimme a minute and I'll crop the first. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:48, 22 May 2021 (EDT)
[[File:Al-Alaheri.PNG|500px]]

Great job Rob.
These both are Arabs (which overwhelmingly are of Islamic faith. As opposed to such as Joe Farah - www.wnd.com, Walid Phares and others..). I would edit the title to: ''' '' 'Palestinian ''theme'' violence under the Biden junta'. '' ''' As there are and expected to be much, mostly Islamic attacks under the Palestine flag, banner. The radical left crime is tacit approval and name calling, demonization of Israel such as by AOC...[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:So "Palestinian theme" would include non-Palestinians who sympathize, advocate, or incite violence? I'll pass the idea along to the page creator. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:12, 22 May 2021 (EDT)

::Yes, in my humble opinion. An umbrella for all those using that banner or/and excuse. Though almost all of this violence is by those that are neither Christian nor Jews.. ||Just to cite some reference about anti-Asian crimes, by conservative Ying Ma [https://mobile.twitter.com/gztoghetto twitter], Her [https://books.google.com/books/about/Chinese_Girl_in_the_Ghetto.html?id=TyTdBAAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description book]
[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 19:59, 23 May 2021 (EDT)

:::It's similar to the BLM movement. In BLM's case, by far the vast majority are not black at all. And now we're beginning to see some crossover and merging of BLM and Palestinian issues, as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 20:02, 23 May 2021 (EDT)

Imagine if BLM riots did not come about at face-covering-covid19 days...[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:I added it here [[Anti-Asian_hate_crime#May_2021]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 20:25, 23 May 2021 (EDT)

::That's great. I'm still new here.||
Sure exploiter of "palestine" are many leftists and they do agitate. It is why I added Dickerson's interview with Sanders. As to the violent attackers per se, they are Arab mostly. One can hear also their accent even with their mask on... (Let me just give you an example of accents.
Hear how MSNBC's Arab-Palestinian Ayman Mohyeldin pronounces 'Hamas'...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN0-wCWlxPU ). Now, only a small minority of Arabs are not Muslim. This current tension/ hype has to do a lot with Jerusalem. It gives also excitement for jihad dreamers of world domination by their religion. But of course most people are decent in all races.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:::Yes, I understand. It's the woke white leftists waving the Palestinian flags, enabeling the Palestinian bomb throwers. Reading the Pam Geller site, she reports on virtually all the violent incidents in America, and some in the most surprising places not reported by [[MSM]] or anywhere else. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:19, 23 May 2021 (EDT)

::::Hi Rob. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bmFc8iliveo/UehPQ1_bxuI/AAAAAAAAYm4/Q_kmJKQZcak/s1600/beaches.jpg [https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/p/eoz-posters-for-apartheid-week.html source] There are about 28 additional at that page, but I will post their url only per / depending --even more-- on you availability of time and discretion.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 11:05, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Beaches.jpg Done]. Go ahead and post the urls. I may do them in four or five batches at a time to give me break in between, but can them all completed in a few hours at most.
:::::They all are very very interesting. Question: Have you ever heard of the [https://west-eastern-divan.org/founders West-Eastern Divan Orchestra?] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:12, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:[https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p3UwD9XBIOU/YFOECevnOxI/AAAAAAABhzg/1d8LMmDNvoMKmCjtsQlyY5VS414x5N-RQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1005/apart%2Bodeh.png 2], [https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Cdk5FLcFacM/VsnCH4sTR_I/AAAAAAAAvL4/26SgFxn5SWo/s1600/apart16%2Bhebu2.png 3], [https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zJppjPd8n2E/U2w1iY8ewYI/AAAAAAAAdpE/71SccPPla78/s1600/bus+poster.png 4], [https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0t8zdcU7Rzk/WLlR0713U3I/AAAAAAAA4G8/SfaJYgK6gIMmCrC6LscdSwzYNhX7P_2nQCLcB/s1600/apart%2Byounix.png 5], [https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5IHcw-se6Xs/XiQbsoo8wBI/AAAAAAABYg8/q0QOMtrybkAyQM1PPFfhHSbYeRly4i31wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/apart%2Btav.png 6], [https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yML2THR0Xs4/WLallzEpZ9I/AAAAAAAA4Do/ihNDpClGUDoue4SyrXZohH4g_QBvzH0TACEw/s1600/maroun.png 7], [https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Tb0F5tDHzvA/VrwAcNpgL6I/AAAAAAAAu90/MNBcwEzDLTw/s1600/apart16%2Bhanna.png 8], [https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-z7tn5YG7-lU/WLaqPsXXTtI/AAAAAAAA4D8/3bJi11QR9kQYHHVh9EoNcgB43qYfW0b1QCLcB/s1600/halifah.png 9], [https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qSUcTswsCZE/U4h-xxdpS9I/AAAAAAAAeDk/ROXu0rE8dgM/s1600/rania+okby.png 10], [https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jy19jEoEp-E/VOdaE_Esn7I/AAAAAAAAnw0/upfrRjB4KaY/s1600/apart%2Bdeek.png 11], [https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2ZWWIcq_61M/WFs5YXduuOI/AAAAAAAA2iU/ZxPxURXElzw4LD4NhoVrAGq3EA6d1flCACLcB/s1600/ethiop%2Bapart.png 12], [https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_HI5hYpePyI/VtgXeAfvJCI/AAAAAAAAvaI/BfddMTIGSgI/s1600/apart16%2Btire.png 13], [https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-prvMmLq-XPw/VscT2MZjZnI/AAAAAAAAvJk/hvz6vuA_kQo/s1600/apart16%2Bhebrew%2Bu.png 14], [https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P0AT6VRFL68/XiQeJ4vwQkI/AAAAAAABYhE/tIsU5OU39CILqM0MXAggyeZkv37qT261gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/apart%2Bgimel.png 15], [https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gpZ7_ZXDFmk/XJcGdSCgQaI/AAAAAAABO24/OPOd8GaDPsATnKXi6lZIvG61iR_F-X2cgCLcBGAs/s1600/apart%2Bhijab.png 16], [https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qH8qdy-aoBg/XJcGf0yEtvI/AAAAAAABO28/7w0yO-Yt8p8uQuAqPw1sriPd-BdEI1cygCLcBGAs/s1600/apart%2Bmona.png 17], [https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1ShFiklHBvw/WnGNI2I2w7I/AAAAAAAA_F4/3m4bgJFgpzALRGCK5wN4OwYVQ6wh1vu1QCEwYBhgL/s1600/eden%2Bapart.png 18], [https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MM255r4ao3c/Wm3mQd_Q4qI/AAAAAAAA-_0/XgTFmP6482MFdBknFhC4wldFeGBaVDQrgCLcBGAs/s1600/sabrin.png 19], [https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YjiNIA9AHIA/Wm3gUAMrumI/AAAAAAAA-_Y/wRVR0pW0twcTRDEv4NEpfpwbA2HsKcnSgCLcBGAs/s1600/stephane.png 20], [https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Ivel8KVlSCw/WLlPuxzwpdI/AAAAAAAA4Gw/DXXevtXX1xQMAsmXpWpdUGHHzrsDtSZQgCLcB/s1600/apart%2Bzarka.png 21], [https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mw4AFgMmU9g/WLeDsGkYI6I/AAAAAAAA4FM/F5m6iTxO4-AuGm2p4Pqp6SievvF66k5fQCLcB/s1600/apart%2Bmedlij.png 22] [https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S4xbp_x824E/U382zSoYFLI/AAAAAAAAd8A/ES948uJK9rI/s1600/apartheid+rail.jpg 23], [https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zB2uYO6B65E/U2rF4QMvsuI/AAAAAAAAdmY/gJsbbb-UOmQ/s1600/rimon+poster.png 24], [https://3.bp.blogspot.com/--Lm7nuJCfHE/U2oCd88q2gI/AAAAAAAAdls/YWx1VW51iIU/s1600/shibel+poster2.png 25], [https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7puvuCozrtA/UwodBqRxjGI/AAAAAAAAceQ/o35MjuqclCU/s1600/hebrewu.png 26], [https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-alEX6yhJVgE/UV78H6VGG6I/AAAAAAAAW_U/Wa5GuqA0jGs/s1600/barhoum+apart.png 27], [https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7puvuCozrtA/UwodBqRxjGI/AAAAAAAAceQ/o35MjuqclCU/s1600/hebrewu.png 28]|Answer, I did not hear about the
west-eastern-divan, will check it out later. I clicked on it and there appeared Edward Said... a propagandist... I remember his rhetoric, at least he was not extreme as Hamas. In fact, in comparison he was one of ther moderates.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 14:32, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::A quote like: ''"[[Humanism]] is the only – I would go so far as saying the final – resistance we have against the inhuman practices and injustices that disfigure human history,"'' would meet vehement opposition on this site. But as to the orchestra itself - it began as strictly amatuers that would never stand a chance to play in modern professional orchestra. Frankly, they were lousy. But Barenboim, a guy I've thought of being one of the greatest interpreters living for a long time, brought in other big world-renowned soloists to perform publicly with them. Since then, they have come a long way and have improved and becoming very reputable and respected. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:04, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:I'm no fan of Said, either. But I'm not sure he ever advocated violence. i could be wrong. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:43, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::As far as I can remember, it seems you're right.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 14:50, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:::[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=upload&user=RobSmith&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= Got the first 7 done.] Will get back to more in a few minutes.... [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:54, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

::::Thanks Rob. No rush. Please take your time.||BTW. See this UK version of convergence... classic! [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9608179/Met-policewoman-shouted-Free-Palestine-wont-sack.html Met policewoman who shouted 'Free Palestine' at a protest 'won't get the sack because officers who took the knee during BLM rallies last year didn't face sanctions'] Senior officers are now considering whether to bring a gross misconduct charge against the 20-year-old, who is from South-East London and of '''Iraqi''' origin. (By Jake Ryan For The Mail On Sunday 22:03 22 May 2021).[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 15:00, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

:::::[https://conservapedia.com/Special:Log/upload Here's some more.] Sorry, my neighbor's dogs got out while she's not home so I've been chasing them around the parking lot for the past hour. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:11, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=upload&user=RobSmith&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= I think I got them all.] Let me know if there's any screw ups. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:30, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

Thanks. As always a great job. Have seen most. || IMHO, regarding sharp rise in violence, mass shooting all across our US, is not unrelated to defund-ism and demonizing the ''blue lives''..
:I just saw the report on the mayor of Rochester NY husband being arrested on drug and weapons charges. She claims its retaliation for wanting to defund the police and politically motivated just before the election. Looks like we've reached the next level in the debate. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:52, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::Yes we did... | Question, is there any way you can upload an image from here [https://honestreporting.com/bbc-journalists-hitler-was-right-other-antisemitic-tweets-exposed/] or here [https://meaww.com/tala-halawa-bbc-journalist-hit-was-right-israeli-defense-force-go-to-hell-social-media-fire-reaction] ? Or is the only way, to grab a screenshot? I'm referring to the tweet of that BBC Arab-"palestine" journalist Tala Halawa where she tweeted "Hitler was right" BBC is in [https://www.jpost.com/bds-threat/bbc-reporter-comes-under-fire-for-tweets-supporting-hitler-668946 hot water] now over this.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 21:44, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:::[https://s36667.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Relocate-Israel-768x412.jpg This one I can upload;] [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2Dnu63X0AAoDwW?format=jpg&name=medium this one I need to screenshot to upload]. Which do you prefer? or both? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:01, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::::Thanks. And I'm way behind from being savvy... in case this isn't proof enough...
simlified: https://images.contentstack.io/v3/assets/bltf04078f3cf7a9c30/bltb1300e43e0951ede/60ab60174adeb65c03d762c3/E2Dnu63X0AAoDwW.jpeg?format=jpg&width=1440 [https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/bbc-journalist-hitler-was-right- source][[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:::::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Tala_Halawa.PNG Here it is]. I think we have a lost generation on our hands, if this is what the educational system is graduating into the professional classes. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:12, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

== Can you unlock [[Template:Conservatism]]? ==

There are some additions I'd like to make to the template. Thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 22:01, 23 May 2021 (EDT)
:Done. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:17, 23 May 2021 (EDT)

==Boulder==
Sorry to create a new section, as I'm getting lost you are amazingly busy. God bless. This re father of Boulder shooter, Ahmad Al Issa https://populist.press/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Post3.jpg
[https://populist.press/boulder-shooters-dad-posts-violent-threatening-statements-online/ source] | BTW I hope it's OK that I added that radical left have their own agenda (at the Palestine theme violence page)

:[https://conservapedia.com/File:Post3.jpg Here's the upload]. And you're right. people can be incredibly naive, not seeing how one group merges or piggybacks on another group's grievance in common cause. So it's an important aspect that needs some explanation in many articles. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:06, 25 May 2021 (EDT)
::One can just look what this group has done to us all, abusing Americans' decency after Floyd's clip for their overall agenda...[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 15:13, 25 May 2021 (EDT)
:::The local police are funded by local taxpayers. When George Floyd becomes the symbol of America's local police "oppression" by extremists in Israel, they basically are saying that Americans who pay local taxes to support police, fire, and trash removal are their oppressors. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:17, 25 May 2021 (EDT)
::::Yup. A symbol by "palestinian"-Arabs and there is a share of small but very active/noisy radical left in Israel helping them too. Such as Haaretz/B'tselem.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:Good evening Rob.
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Danial-Shaukat.jpg
[https://nypost.com/2021/05/25/man-accused-of-hurling-threats-outside-jewish-synagogue-apologizes/amp/ source][[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
::eww, that's a large file. I might have to get LT to help me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:55, 25 May 2021 (EDT)
:::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Danial-Shaukat.jpg Here it is.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:22, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
Hi Rob. Sorry, I didn't realize it's large. When you ger a chance please: https://www.dailynews.com//wp-content//uploads//2021//05//LDN-Z-RESTAURANT-ATT-16x9-1-1.jpg [https://www.dailynews.com/2021/05/25/whittier-man-arrested-in-anaheim-after-anti-semitic-attacks-in-west-l-a-lapd-says source] https://images.whattoexpect.com/217b4059-3353-4c89-901a-1d3af0ea647b
[https://www.ngo-monitor.org/sheikh-jarrah-property-claims/ related to] Thanks.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 18:36, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:[https://conservapedia.com/Special:Log/upload Here they are.] Also, have you [https://therightscoop.com/watch-amazing-video-shows-college-students-happily-fork-over-cash-for-hamas-to-destroy-israel/ seen this? it's scary,] but honestly, I don't see how to fit in in some of the narratives without it seeming parody in the present circumstances. Maybe in some of the articles on Wokism, [[Leftism]] and Progressivism. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:49, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
::OMG I certainly did not see that. Re TheBlaze... I still remember Glenn on CNN... how the msm only worsened since... Now about what category... I'm not sure yet but it's a combination of: 1. Israel is seen as little US by lefry radicals, in other words, Maduro fans automatically hate Israel (their terminology is "capitalists". Defund-ism and anarchism has a lot to do with this. And a secured Israel u
Is the exact opposite) . 2. part of bigotry veiled under supposed caring for the underdog. Not realizing the bigger picture. The real Goliath. Not seeing the Iranian and other Islamic forces. Sky News [May 24] interviewed the Hamas senior guy, after a rant of lies, at the end he said what he really thinks about Israel's right to exist: "We are the owner of this area – Arabic area. This is well known as an Islamic area." He said. Now, that is Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad etc. What Trump did do, is strengthen the moderates and create alliances which automatically shifts them to the West, because of the Western little country in their neighbourhood. .this from 1967, a few months before the war, the warning about Shukairy. https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/i/image/api/image/bhl_djnews:djn.1967.02.03.001-00000009:IMG00000009/full/full/0/default.jpg (First helping Hitler and agitating the Arabs against the West, then joining the Communists after the war, for weapon... says a lot. Not much has changed). When you get a chance you can upload it.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:Ami Horowitz vid shows a much deeper problem - this the crap they are learning in collegiate classrooms. BTW, I cleaned up much of CP's [[Iran]] article, which was outdated from 2007 and had some really questionable junk in it. If you'd like, you can help out updating it since then. Most people simply do not understand Iran's use of proxies and militias to further their foreign policy objectives rather using their own standing army. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:41, 26 May 2021 (EDT): ...and their Mahdi dream...Which is why they care about Jerusalem... among others. They really have no border or "land" disputes with Israel. [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 19:55, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
::Bingo. We need a [[Quds Force]] article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:58, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
::I don't know if you need it, but I was able to a capture and [https://conservapedia.com/File:Detroit_Jewish_News_Feb_3_1967.PNG upload on the Detroit Free Press]. I'm sure we can use it somewhere in CP. We have a [[6 Day War]] article that can be expanded. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 20:06, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:::tip, Alex Saab is the figure between Hezbollah betwee and Maduro..[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
::::wow. You know about [[Project Cassandra]]? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 20:37, 26 May 2021 (EDT):::::Yes, read re ProjectCassandra. |Re Shukeiri, it goes even further, if you can take a screenshot and upload [https://books.google.com/books?id=ijg4AQAAMAAJ&pg=SL1-PA5735&dq=#v=snippet&q=%22all%20out%20for%20Hitler%22&f=false it] when you get a chance. Please see upper right column: first he worked for the Communists against the West the Allies, then when Stalin began fighting Hitler, he went over to the Nazi side and helped Hitler... Let's all remember he was of the founders of their entity[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:::::[https://conservapedia.com/File:All_out_for_Hitler.PNG This might work.] I can re-do it to add or take out whatever highlighted portions you think fit. Oh, and if you find anything in the [[Iran]] article you think outdated, irrelevant, or questionable, we can rotate it out to [[History of Iran]] for further review. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:34, 26 May 2021 (EDT)

:::::I think that Iran article is cut n pasted from the CIA's World Fact Book in 2007, so it's probably loaded with misinformation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:40, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:Hopefully we will get to that too. Awesome work, you do. I also added there the vital point when the hostages were released...also repaired formatted many links...[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 23:31, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:Hi Rob. When you get a chance for [https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/i/image/api/image/bhl_djnews:djn.1946.07.12.001-00000002:IMG00000002/full/full/0/default.jpg this], the article is on right hand corner. Upto where it says, "The arch-author ", that line should not be included... if you can highlight the word "Shukeiri", then the text: "Justified the murder of six million Jews". The same at Jamal Husseini. Thanks again.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Jewish_News_July_17_1946.PNG My highliters a bit thick] but I got it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:49, May 27, 2021 (EDT)

:::Hi Rob. When you can, please, [https://ynet-images1.yit.co.il/picserver5/crop_images/2021/05/24/H1ZhqItYd/H1ZhqItYd_0_0_3000_1985_0_medium.jpg img]
[https://www.ynetnews.com/article/BJFq1gTKO source], [http://u.a7.org/pictures/846/846980.jpg img]
[http://en.inn.co.il/Articles/Article.aspx/22435 source]. Wishing you a great Memorial weekend [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

==Category==
What cat. would these in group go under?
The sudden switch to the truth --by pro-Biden media, or by Biden admin.-- yet, never admitting being wrong about it:

*Origin of covid = Wuhan lab.
*Hunter Biden' laptop.
*The initial objection (such as by Harris at the time per interview while candidate ) to Trump 'Warp Speed' vaccines.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:We have these Categories: [[:Category:Coronavirus]], [[:Category:United States Presidential Election, 2020]], [[:Category:Biden Junta]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 10:34, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

Thanks. I hope it's OK I added Harris's objection in [https://conservapedia.com/Operation_Warp_Speed#cite_note-11][[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 11:23, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

== How is gaming coverage handled here? ==

I am a conservative who plays video games, especially [[Mario]]. I was thinking this website could use with more gaming-related articles, but written from a conservative point of view (kind of like a parent's guide). How does this idea sound? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:08, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:I'm not really familiar with the issue. You might want to look here [[:Category:Video Games]] for some perspective. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:17, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::I also asked a question on the [[Talk:Main Page|Main Page talk]] (bottom section) if you or another admin want to check that out as well. for some reason there are two save buttons (I don't know if this is a new account issue). So at the top right it's the "publish" button, and it brings up a summary window of its own (different from the "Save page" button below). I was hoping they could be merged so that I don't have to add in an edit summary twice. Thank you. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:24, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:::New accounts are generally monitored for a period of time and granted ''SkipCaptcha'' rights after appearing to be bona fide. It's an anti-trolling measure. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:41, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::::Okay, that definitely makes sense. It's unfortunately the case in a sinful world. I think conservative websites are showing promise nowadays, and as the left goes more and more astray from normal and reality, the stronger conservatives websites get. As President Trump has said, we will win! [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:45, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::[https://youtu.be/izeU9vIWOuc?t=178 Trolls have to get up early in the morning to fool me]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:05, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::Good news: [[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] told me that video game (and [[chess]]) articles are okay. :) I made an infobox for video games -- I was surprised that there wasn't one yet. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 18:44, 25 May 2021 (EDT)
What was on the [[Super Mario 64]] article before its deletion? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:10, May 27, 2021 (EDT)

:"'''Super Mario 64''' is a 3-D video game for the [[Nintendo 64]] where Mario must go inside of paintings and beat levels. The object is to get enough stars at the end of the game to get to [[Bowser]] and defeat him to rescue [[Princess Peach]].
[[:Category:Video Games]]
:[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:13, May 27, 2021 (EDT)

::Cool, just curious. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:19, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
:::Super Mario 64 isn't a cover for D&D, RW, and the road to hell, is it? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:30, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
::::If it were (and the subject matter isn't too explicit), I suppose it's our duty to warn about it. Game franchises like [[Final Fantasy]] (Japanese role-playing game) are based on D&D however. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:37, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
:::::[https://youtu.be/WIPk7z17jxY As Joe Friday said...]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:42, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
::::Can [[Pokemon]] be moved to [[Pokémon]] (seeing as the series has an accented 'e')? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:39, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
:::::Sure. I'll do it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:42, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
::::Is there a way to either restore or unprotect the [[PlayStation 3]] page (like how [[PlayStation 2]] has a page)? I can't recreate it because it's admin-protected. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 18:28, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:::::It looks likes a cut n paste from elsewhere. We can give you few days to clean it up and look at it then to see what exactly it is we got. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:58, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
::::::Is it ok if I trim most of it? Looks like a Wikipedia copy [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 19:14, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:::::::Oh yah, definitely. Use it as a mold, but write and rearrange as much as you can. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:23, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
::::::::Yeah because then that way it's original to Conservapedia. I like how there's a policy here on writing original articles and that it all seems to be free of a content license -- truly reusable and belonging to [[We the People]] (and abroad, as Conservapedia is accessible in most countries). I have redone Wikipedia pages before (mainly gaming ones) in that the page becomes so different that it can basically be considered original writing. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 19:31, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:::::::::I got one like this I've neglected for awhile, [[Ron Klain]]. I guess I'm just waiting for a scandal to erupt to put some time into it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:43, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

== Scope? ==

Has the scope for Conservapedia coverage been made larger from its earlier days? (presumably because of how much liberals have compromised that articles on anything remotely normal seem necessary) Deletion logs show that some "pop culture" articles have been deleted about a decade ago. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:05, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
: I don't know. It's impossible to discern or determine. Discussion of such things is usually dealt with harshly and rudely. The only method I know of is trial and error. If you get blocked, the answer is probably "no", but good luck appealing your argument. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:20, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:: I didn't have an issue with anything in particular, I was just curious. Anything normal is becoming conservative these days due to the lunacy of the left. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:22, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:::I'm not even sure about that. The definition of "conservativism" around here tends to mean "stale", "outdated", "non-dynamic", and sometimes even "mean" and "vindictive". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:26, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
::::Do you find that I've been a help to Conservapedia? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:59, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::I can't really answer cause if I say yes, I'll be accused of being in bed with sockpuppet trolls, and if I say no I'll be accused of being a paranoid conspiracy theorist about sockpuppet trolls. So, sorry. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:22, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::Good call. Also, there's a vandal who just registered (and I marked a few more things for speedy deletion). [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 18:29, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::::I can't keep up with the vandals registering. Andy apparently has approved it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:32, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::::I've been told that that's why there's [[User:Minuteman|Minuteman]]. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 18:34, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::::::Everything you post must be true and verifiable. [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=1760882] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:36, 26 May 2021 (EDT)

== Can [[Danny Gokey]] be restored? ==

He's a Christian musician. Others such as [[Hawk Nelson]], [[Todd Agnew]] have pages, so I wonder if same for Danny Gokey. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:46, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
:Done. I see JPatt edited it so there should be no problem. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:51, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
::Thank you, I couldn't help but think it was disrespectful to see that his page was deleted (seeing as he's a Christian artist yet some others get pages). Even then, there are bad ones (like [[Hillsong Young & Free]]) who virtue signal, and need to be warned about. Speaking of [[Hillsong]], can that page be moved to [[Hillsong Church]] (the full name)? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:54, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
:::Never speak ill of the dead (unless it's Richard Nixon), but TK, God rest him, made some bad decisions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:06, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
::::I don't know who TK. I just thought it was disrespectful that he deleted that page. Sad to hear that he's gone though, I hope he is in [[Heaven]]. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 00:13, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:::::He was one of those guys who got an endorphin rush hitting block and rollback, like playing Space Invaders only being able to zap real people. Needed that endorphin rush like an alcoholic needs a drink. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:19, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

== Editing locked at night times? ==

What is the timeframe of when editing is locked at night? I've noticed in the early morning that the site is locked from editing at night. People have confirmed to me that it's to deal with both troublemakers and trolls. It's... 9:26PM here on the west coast, but I can still edit? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 00:26, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

:I'm not exactly sure, but I know it's shut off for like 6 or 8 hours, probably beginning about midnite West coast time. You can ask Andy for the ''edit'' tag for night editing privileges. Wikipedia, that font of knowledge and information, might have more information on the exact hours than anything posted here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:31, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

::I'm allowed to ask him for that edit privilege? I thought it had to be earned. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 09:35, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

:::Who knows what he may or may not do? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 09:44, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

:::If you try to fix or improve things, you may get blocked or banned. If you create stale and outdated content, block bona fide users, and delete good pages, you may earn enhanced user rights. It's impossible to say. Trial and error seems to be the only process. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]

:::Oh, and discussion is risky. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 09:52, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

== [[Template:Nihongo]] ==

ok so template is from wikipedia from years ago, before they overwrote it with {{#invoke:}}. i attributed to it in edit summary, but didn't know how to make it different enough (although did cut out some unneeded parts, like a link to Help:Japanese. Is the template ok? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 21:03, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:What's it used for? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:05, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
::Japanese name. See on [[Bulbasaur]] page -- where the Japanese name next to the bold text. if it's not allowed, feel free to delete [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 21:06, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:::Ok, I think I understand. Does it need to be locked? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:09, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
::::I suppose it would be a safe thing to do, yeah. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 21:10, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:::::Okay, thanks. If you're done I'll do that. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:11, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
::::::I'm not editing the template at the moment, so should be safe to do. Thank you [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 21:12, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

== For Example on the America First Movement ==

Watch this video on Arizona, it talks about how the GOP can take back Arizona and explains the America First Agenda pretty well (This language can be found everywhere on rightwing outlets). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P3GRIYQoIE
[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 18:42, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:There is no America First Caucus in Congress. What more needs to be said? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:50, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:Yes, there is no Caucus, but there is an ideology. That is what the video explains. [[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 18:56, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:America First Agenda, just means America First Ideology rather than a caucus. [[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 18:57, May 29, 2021 (EDT)

::Well sorry, the MAGA movement and/or ideology does not goosestep and 'Sieg Heil' as Progressives do. So your efforts are bound to fail. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:03, May 29, 2021 (EDT)

:Free speech advocates, for example, which is an integral part of the 'MAGA movement' as it is called, respect the rights of fellow voters even within the movement to hold and express opposing opinions. Free speech advocates have been kicked out of [[the Left]]. These categorization schemes appear to be little more than another leftwing effort to paint all their opponents as racists. Been there, done that, seen the movie, read the book, I know how it ends, and I got he T-shirt as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:07, May 29, 2021 (EDT)

:And yet I do not see you working on [[:Category:Leftist who deny free speech]], or [[:Category:American First proponents who respect differences of opinion]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:10, May 29, 2021 (EDT)

== The ChadUser drama ==

So looks like ChadUser wanted me to back him in his argument with you. I didn't want to pick sides here because I don't know the full story. The definition of a RINO can be dangerously ambiguous -- like if someone did one small thing wrong (or has one small stance and therefore counts as a RINO)? That's not good, and potentially disqualifies a candidate who would otherwise be a good representative. This was your side of the argument, correct? I was giving my perspective just now. If I were ChadUser, I'd just be glad that his two article were not deleted because that's where the real effort goes into, and the general public cares more about viewing articles than categories. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:31, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:Chad simply needs to learn how to work with other users, not ignore inquiries or troll people with responses. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:45, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
::I am honest that I appreciate the two articles he made, although your point of collective thinking of who's good and who's bad is definitely a valid point since it's the left that cancels for even slight difference in opinion. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:53, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:::Much of those efforts is simply applying leftist organizing techniques, intersectionalism, and identity politics to GOP officials. It's not rocket science to figure it out. Republican voters have a different [[frame of reference]] from leftists. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:58, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
::::The categories are too much a matter of opinion whereas the articles themselves can talk about things that, let's say, [[Mitt Romney]] did and the couple of times that he sided with liberal policies. This way it keeps a track record for others to refer to seeing as a lot of conservatives are often worried about what policies conservatives side with. There's also a matter of fact or opinion; for example, it is a fact that [[Mike Pence]] illegally certified the election for Biden, so then that is mentioned on his article. Is what I'm saying making sense? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 00:04, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
:::::Yes, no, and maybe. The subject should be another discussion for another time and place. Bottomline, if and when another user and/or admin makes an inquiry about your editing practices, it would be best to respond in good faith. If and when a discussion occurs, do not troll the talk page with cut n paste argumentative postings from the same thread. Not only is it redundant trolling, it's insulting to the reader. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:05, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

===subject matter===
In all the years the <nowiki>[[Category:Traitor]] has existed, mistakenly as a subcategory of [[Category:Liberal]], [[Category:Democrats]], and [[Category:Democratic Party]]</nowiki>, it contains a single element, [[Benedict Arnold]], whose treason occurred 5 decades before the Democrat party was founded. The category itself was created by a troll.

Not a single user in all the years that category has existed, not even myself (despite many temptations to do so), has ever placed any Democrat, living or dead (not even [[Julius Rosenberg|Julius and Ethel Rosenberg]]) into that category. Yet Chad had no compunction whatsoever of slandering more than 30 living Republicans he hoped to primary in 2022. He's lucky it was me giving him a two-day block. Other Admins would block indefinitely and burn everything he ever contributed down.

If he wants to learn how to be a productive editor, I could teach him. If he wants to continue trolling, he may as well stay away. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:54, June 1, 2021 (EDT)

== Rob, I need an opinion. ==

Should we have a category for small articles so they can be improved, however the Category:Stubs Page was deleted in 2012, I don’t understand the reasoning behind it as I wasn’t around back then. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 23:33, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:Me neither. CP has zillions of uncategorized, orphaned stubs that people created and walked away from. How do they ever expect anyone to find it? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:43, May 29, 2021 (EDT)

== is it ok if the following Mario articles can be restored? ==

Provided they at least had some substantial content and aren't Wikipedia copies:

*[[Super Mario Bros. 2]]
*[[Super Mario Bros. 3]]
*[[Super Mario Land]]
*[[Super Mario World]]
*[[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island]]
*[[New Super Mario Bros.]]
*[[Super Paper Mario]]

Also, mind undeleting [[Zelda: Ocarina of Time]] and moving the page to its full title [[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time]]? Same with [[Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask]] to [[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask]]. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 11:16, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

:There's one more at [[List of Nintendo DS games]], which appears to be somewhat comprehensive (from what I've seen in Wayback Machine). [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 12:33, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

::Done, I think. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:43, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

:::Yep, thank you. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 13:05, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

:::I'm a bit worried about Mario; It may have corrupted the mind of that vicious, intolerant Rationalwiki trustee LeftyGreenMario. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:45, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

::::Is it because Mario jumps on turtles or encourages use of mushrooms? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 13:01, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

:::::That explains it! She's eaten too many shrooms and it destroyed too many brain cells. Does SuperMario encourage children to do that? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:06, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

::::::I guess it's reminiscent of [[Popeye]] teaching kids to eat [[spinach]]. It's sure worked on me before. However, with [[Mushroom]]s, there are good ones and then there are bad, poisonous ones. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 13:08, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

:::::::And there's hallucinogenic ones that make the user paranoid. They evidently have lingering effects. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:14, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

==More to undelete==
I just found a few more as well (assuming these aren't Wikipedia copies): [[Super Smash Brothers Brawl]], should be renamed [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]); [[Final Fantasy I]]; [[Link (video game character)]] (rename to [[Link (The Legend of Zelda)]]; [[Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories]]; [[Final Fantasy IV]]; [[Final Fantasy V]]; [[Final Fantasy VI]]; [[Ratchet and Clank]]. Also, similar to [[Danny Gokey]], can the [[Thousand Foot Krutch]] article (christian metal band) also be restored? Sorry to overwhelm -- this should be the last wave of family-friendly video game pages to undelete.

Also, [[Princess Peach]] is sysop-protected from recreation as well. You don't have to undelete this, but I want to be able to recreate the page (like how there's a [[Mario]], a [[Yoshi]], [[Bowser]], [[Donkey Kong]] pages). [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 13:36, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

:Done. There's two I had questions about and raised it on the appropriate talk pages. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:01, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
::I have played FF5 before & those things don't immediately pop out to me (esp transvestism & environmentalism i don't recall either). I have said on the [[Final Fantasy]] page that [[magic]] is a recurring feature in the games. I think parental guides for the FF games are probably needed. the GBA game is E10+ rated [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 15:10, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
:::<s>Also you forgot the [[Thousand Foot Krutch]] page. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 15:12, May 30, 2021 (EDT)</s> Oh wait, never mind, I just saw your message to Conservative.
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::::To address the FF5 bit, I will acknowledge that the game is technically guilty of crossdressing in the form of one of the main characters Faris Schwertz, though it should be noted that she was more or less forced into doing that by her foster family, a bunch of pirates, which implies it was a negative condemnation of crossdressing. As far as environmentalism, actually, you could argue that the game if anything was anti-environmentalist. The various elemental crystals shattering was NOT due to human usage, it was because Exdeath was forcing them to shatter it via demonic possession in an attempt at escaping his encapsulation prior to the events of the game, usually by possessing various characters (or in the case of the water crystal, an up and out animal). Not to mention Exdeath wasn't even a human being, he was a sentient tree that took the form of a knight, and the reason he was that? He was used in a hexing ritual to seal away various demonic creatures, and such caused him to develop self-awareness. And in FF6's defense, the nihilism bit was NOT meant to be portrayed in a positive manner, as the one dabbling in nihilism, Kefka, was the main villain. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 15:31, May 30, 2021 (EDT)}}

==[[Roleplaying game]] to role-playing game==
On the talk page, there's been a discussion on whether the page should be moved and have a dash included in the title. Do you agree with this idea. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 15:19, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
:Not sure; hyphenated gets 1.8 billion results, roleplaying gets 17 million. May have a better shot unhyphenated, but it's obviously incorrrect.
:Did LeftyGreenMario learn to be a fascist through role-playing? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:35, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
::There are some Mario role-playing titles, but then there is also racing, minigame party, adventure, and even olympic games with an anthropomorphic blue hedgehog named Sonic. And Mario started out as a character who jumped over barrels thrown by a gorilla -- a game that started out as a [[Popeye]] one believe it or not (before the license for using him expired). [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 15:48, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
::: I don't know much; I like Zelda but Paperboy was my favorite. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:51, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

== ChadUser ==

I put these messages on Chad User's talk page after I banned him for a month.

You were told to stop adding a lot of thoughtless category tags. For example, [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Vernon_Jones&curid=158949&diff=1765933&oldid=1762897 this tag] called the Republican Vernon Jones a DINO (A Democrat in Name Only). It makes no sense. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:42, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

:You now have a 5 year topic ban of adding anymore category tags. You are forbidden to add anymore category tags for 5 years. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:51, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
=== Addendum ===

Feel free to block him again if he acts up again. And feel free to revert all his category tags. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:55, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
=== I sent an email to Conservapedians to shut down category tag vandals ===

I sent an email to Conservapedians to shut down category tag vandals.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:13, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

== Joe Biden is 5 months away from being 79. ==

What does this mean for the United States? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 13:50, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
:I dunno. Do you really think he's running things? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:39, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

== Re: Megan Rapinoe ==

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You would do that, wouldn't you? Way to continue showing your continuing uncivil attitude toward those who know the truth about what the Democrats did. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 00:59, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
:Pardon me, I forgot. You're in Canada. What do you care, anyway? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:01, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
:Are you one of those anti-American imperialists? Why do you behave like Vladimir Putin, interfering in American affairs? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:04, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
::Funny, I thought you LIKED Putin back when Trump was in office? At least I was consistent and hated Putin both while Trump AND while Biden were in office (and for the record, I never viewed Putin as having interfered in the 2016 election, not on Trump's behalf, anyhow). And BTW, you're reminding me too much of that DocColress jerk from All the Tropes, who also acted very abusive with his moderator actions. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 07:19, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
::::Calling out the MSM & DNC for b.s., lies, and propaganda isn't the same as "liking Putin." Careful, you sound like a leftist. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:27, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
:::::Calling them out for lies and propaganda would be stating Donald Trump is NOT bought and paid for by the Russians. It is NOT, however, parroting lies about Putin being anti-Communist despite his making it perfectly clear he compared Lenin with Saints Relics or voicing support for Communism during their World Youth Concert, even speaking at it, and bragging about retaining his KGB uniform instead of, say, burning it, which New Republic/JBS and Western Free Press also reported as did Trevour London, none of whom last I checked were MSM or DNC and if anything went out of their way to wreck their talking points constantly. And I've had to interact with your posts basically defending and promoting Putin, so don't even try to claim you don't defend or promote him. And BTW, you and Conservative's recent behavior as of late is PRECISELY the reason why Conservapedia's now a joke. If you were truly concerned with stopping Biden's overreach and the leftist encroachment and wrecking of the country, for example, you'd be siding with NorthWest, NOT undoing his edits and even threatening to report him to the Biden-controlled DHS, and you know it. I know if it were me in your position, I'd if anything aid NorthWest in doing as much to expose and destroy the Biden administration as possible, not allow for any leftists to remain. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 16:59, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
::::::Putin's remark about Lenin's bones is, to borrow a phrase from Biden, a "cultural norm." The rest is old Mitt Romney talking points. BTW, I asked DFTT on my talk page, why do you ignore it? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:13, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
:::::::No, a cultural norm for Russia would be to adhere absolutely to the Tsar and bringing that whole thing back. It would NOT be a promotion of Lenin who if anything, as even Putin admitted, outright DESTROYED Russian Culture by creating the USSR. And considering "DFTT" means absolutely nothing to me nor does it even come up on Conservapedia's search engine, I'd suggest not bothering with it. In any case, you yourself are acting like the kind of mods you decried as being tyrannical, especially at the detriment of this site. Heck, at this point, even Conservative realized he screwed up by claiming there was no Biden Junta/Biden Putsch and removed the talk. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 18:29, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
::::::::How come you can't respect another user who politely asks, "I don't want to be trolled." ? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:33, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

::Congrats on proving my point for me again, Rob. Incidentally, the way you've been behaving in recent times toward anyone who doesn't agree with your attitude, that's exactly what could be asked of you sometimes (and BTW, even though I'm Canadian, I'm actually more pro-American than you care to admit). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 01:07, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
:::Yah but you don't vote in American elections, you're not my fellow citizen, and many of us are sick of foreigners such as yourself attempting to insert yourself into American affairs and influence American voters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:11, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
:::BTW, have you guys figured out how to amend your constitution yet without mommy and daddy holding your hand? And whatever happened to that guy who took a crap on the original constitution in the national archives? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:20, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::::Can't deal with or accept the truth, can you? I actually support Donald Trump and all he did to make America what it can be again, and supporting him and his America-first agenda is only a good thing - which [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#Civility|your incivility and snark toward me in response cannot and will not undo]]. By your reaction to that, are you implying that you actually oppose [[Donald Trump achievements|what Trump did and what America can and should be]]? And by making the threat you made to me as quoted above from your snarky edit summary in the Megan Rapinoe article, are you again implying ([https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=next&oldid=1727230 as you did last January]) that you're willing to capitulate to and collaborate with the Biden regime and sell out pro-American conservatives to do so? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 01:29, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

:::::Good. Just stay where you are. As Kamala said, "Do not come. Do not come." And stop acting like Putin & the CCP, trying to influence and shape American voter's views via the internet by pretending to be an American. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:39, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::::::And the incivility and snark from you continues (along with the projection)...

::::::And incidentally (as I said above), I don't pretend to be an American, but I'm still more pro-American than you care to admit (and more so than you're acting like right now). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 01:45, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

:::::(ec)Look, you don't see me trying to influence Canadian affairs, other than calling that idiot prime minister you have an idiot, which is hardly news since everyone knows it. Seems to me you have enough to worry about getting your own house in order before you start handing out advice to us how to run our country. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:47, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::::::I'm as opposed to Trudeau as I am to Biden (and Trudeau is as bad at leadership as Biden is and likewise has no business running a country), and perhaps advice is exactly what the Biden regime needs in how to run America (not that they'll ever take it because of their being bent, bound and determined to destroy America and all it stands for because of their hatred of it, while conversely, I'd like to see America saved and returned to how it was under Trump, who is still the legal and legitimate President regardless of what those opposed to him otherwise claim). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 01:56, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

:::::::Oh, ok. But if your going to use extremist rhetoric to incite violence, don't do it on my talk page, okay? What are you, a white supremacist? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 03:08, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::::::::Careful, Rob, what you just posted itself borders on both libel and racism itself (as well as making false accusations and resorting to trolling and - again - incivility). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 03:28, June 18, 2021 (EDT)}}

== [[Charmander]] ==
Was this created as a redirect or did it have content prior to being deleted? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 11:30, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
:It was created as a Redirect to a non-existent page. It never had any content. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:35, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
::Okay, gotcha. Thank you for letting me know. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 11:39, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

== Joe Biden's Ideology ==

:Hello Rob. I noticed that you removed White Supremacy from the infobox for Joe Biden. Why is that? Considering the fact that there is plenty of evidence which shows he is a White supremacist.[[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 12:41, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::True. But it looks like commie agitprop bait. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:45, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::Commies may appropriate the term, but the reality is that they themselves are white supremacists. [[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 19:12, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::Simple explanation: it's hard to project oneself as any kind of "supremacist" when you're a certifiable moron. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:47, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::IMO, he's not smart enough to have any ideology. He's just a money-grubbing puta. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:50, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

:::Hope it's okay if I make a comment about this, but I think "white supremacist" isn't the exact term. There is a term named "white savior," which are whites who demonize people of their own race as all being racist but regard themselves as exceptions. The "savior" part is them making themselves out to represent people of different races, and saying that non-whites cannot be successful without their support. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 15:18, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::::While that is understandable, it was his [[white privilege]] that propelled his victory over [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/29/most-diverse-democratic-field-history-seems-poised-result-white-nominee/ "the most diverse Democratic field in history"]. It had nothing to do with his own views or merit. It was the inherent racism of the Democratic National Committee and its delegates. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:27, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

== Uploading images? ==

How does one upload images? What are the rules for uploading images? Why are there no content licenses in [[MediaWiki:Licenses]]. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 09:51, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

:Post your requests here: [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]. Images should a free license. Why there are no content licenses is either cause nobody here knows what they are doing, or MediaWiki is a lawless leftist institution and to use the term "license" in the same breathe with a lawless leftist institution is an oxymoron, I think. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 10:01, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

::[[:File:TP_Wii.jpg|This image]] is not of a free license, so would that mean it gets deleted? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 10:10, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

:::Possibly; there's no link to the original source so we can't review terms of use. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 10:12, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

::::Actually shall i apply this [[Template:Fair use|Fair use]] template? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 09:05, June 22, 2021 (EDT)

== [[Template:Bio]] ==

Is it ok if you delete [[Template:Bio]] (NOT [[Template:Bio header]] because it's still used in [[Template:PM]])? It's basically the same thing as [[Template:Infobox person]], but with fewer parameters. I replaced it on all mainspace articles, but it just needs to be removed from [[Help:List of Templates]]. I also can't mark the Bio template for speedy deletion because it is locked. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 19:58, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
:What about [https://conservapedia.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Bio_header these here?] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 20:01, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
::Those are part of [[Template:PM]]. I updated my previous comment to say that's why it should not be deleted yet. I wonder if PM can be replaced with Template:Infobox person as well. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 20:03, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
:::I unlocked the two, PM & Bio header, and canned Bio. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 20:13, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
::::Thank you, there's also [[Template:Bio2]] to get rid of. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 20:16, June 22, 2021 (EDT)

How can I upload photo I am Not getting option for it

--[[User:HamzhaSaleem|HamzhaSaleem]] ([[User talk:HamzhaSaleem|talk]]) 16:38, June 23, 2021 (EDT)
:You should make a request here: [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]. Include the link and make sure it is not copyright material. Thamks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:40, June 23, 2021 (EDT)

kindly add following image and share me link
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kashmir_News_Trust.png
:[https://conservapedia.com/File:Kashmir_News_Trust.png heere you go]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:09, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

hi please add https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Thames_Infotech.png
:[https://conservapedia.com/File:Thames_Infotech.png here]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:22, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

please add this image i am creating a tempalte https://static.miraheze.org/famepediawiki/1/10/Blue_Badge.png

:[https://conservapedia.com/File:Blue_Badge.png Done]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:22, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

Hi [[User:RobSmith]] will you please give me access to upload photos, roll back changer, and delete article option.

TIA

--[[User:HamzhaSaleem|HamzhaSaleem]] ([[User talk:HamzhaSaleem|talk]]) 13:00, June 26, 2021 (EDT)

:Only the boss, Aschlafly, can do that. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:06, June 26, 2021 (EDT)

==Archived page of https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User_talk:RobSmith/Archive_03==
[https://archive.is/PN8Lo]
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:53, June 29, 2021 (EDT)

[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User_talk:RobSmith/Archive_03#Terry_Koekritz_death_may_be_latest_attributable_to_cyber-bullying Terry_Koekritz_death_may_be_latest_attributable_to_cyber-bullying]
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:55, June 29, 2021 (EDT)

== image add ==

hi kindly add https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rocky_Lee_MDM.png

https://en.wikialpha.org/mediawiki/images/f/f7/Pranab_Kr_Nath.jpg

--[[User:HamzhaSaleem|HamzhaSaleem]] ([[User talk:HamzhaSaleem|talk]]) 12:15, July 6, 2021 (EDT)

==Image==

Hi Rob. Please, when you get a chance uploading banner flying over Bernie's State today...

https://u.a7.org/pictures/1026/1026079.jpg
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/310600

Regards. [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

== Sexiest state ==

What do you think is the sexiest state ever? [[User:2010 Bentley Coupe|2010 Bentley Coupe]] ([[User talk:2010 Bentley Coupe|talk]]) 16:07, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
:I dunno. The state of intoxication? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:09, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

== Racism in China ==

:Can you upload these images of a racist museum exhibit in China[[https://www.google.com/search?q=Outrage+as+Chinese+museum%27s+%27racist%27+exhibits+compare+Africans+to+animals&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=969&ei=nmn7YMy3McO6ggfAjr7oBQ&oq=Outrage+as+Chinese+museum%27s+%27racist%27+exhibits+compare+Africans+to+animals&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1CxElixEmDcFWgAcAB4AIABMYgBMZIBATGYAQCgAQKgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZw&sclient=img&ved=0ahUKEwjM_o2DxPrxAhVDneAKHUCHD10Q4dUDCAc&uact=5#imgrc=n9Z_2G8KxUJLRM]].[[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 21:16, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
:How are these two in the upload log? Thnx. [https://conservapedia.com/Special:Log/upload] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:48, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

::It looks good. Thanks Rob.[[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 22:05, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

::Actually the images need to be titled. Perhaps, "Racist portrayals of Africans by Chinese museum". [[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 22:17, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

:::You mean like a page move? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:19, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

I wish there was a way to stack those images rather than [https://conservapedia.com/Anthony_Fauci#Zuckerbucks side-by-side like here], but it probably requires a new Template. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:18, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

:That video presented a lot of problems, what Biden calls, "cultural norms". A written commentary on it, however, could be used. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:05, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
::Maybe eventually I can try to create an image thumbnail-mimicking template that stacks side-by-side rather than vertically, with all other aspects maintained. The problem is that I don't understand enough HTML functions, and it would take extensive examination of the source code for normal image thumbnails in addition to plenty of testing. There's already a problem with [[Template:Image Thumbnail left]] and [[Template:Image Thumbnail right]] (which were for the purpose of being able to use images at larger sizes than their uploaded size while in a "thumbnail") that results, and I believe it's because I tried to perfectly replicate with a <code><nowiki><div class=""></div></nowiki></code> / <code><nowiki><div style=""></div></nowiki></code> style code with a table, which ultimately doesn't work well in all situations due to different specific features. And that's just a generic explanation based on my current knowledge. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Tuesday, 22:24, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

== image add ==

Hi please add this image [https://en.wikialpha.org/mediawiki/images/a/a2/Masrur_alam_mandal.jpg]
:[https://conservapedia.com/File:Masrur_alam_mandal.jpg Done]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 02:11, August 2, 2021 (EDT)

== [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] ==

Want to make "New Pages" lowercase as "New pages" (just to be consistent with the capitalization of the other common noun words in the sidebar list)? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 13:41, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
:Yah. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 02:42, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
::I haven't seen changes take effect yet. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 08:37, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

== [[Kirby's Dream Land 2]] ==
Is it ok if you undelete this video game article too? I forgot to request it -- thank you [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 08:37, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

== Files for deletion ==

Mind deleting:

*[[:File:Flag of Colombia.jpg]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Colombia.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Flag of the Comoros.jpg]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of the Comoros.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Flag of Hungary.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Hungary.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Flag of Luxembourg.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Luxembourg.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Flag of Monaco.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Monaco.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Medal Law.jpg]] and [[:File:Medal Music.jpg]] (MS Paint-like pictures that probably don't have a practical use)
*[[:File:Maine State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Maine.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Georgia State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of State of Georgia.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Arizona State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Arizona.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Pennsylvania State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Pennsylvania.png|this file]])
*[[:File:South Carolina State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of South Carolina.png|this file]])
*[[:File:North Carolina State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of North Carolina.png|this file]])
*[[:File:New Jersey State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of New Jersey.png|this file]])
*[[:File:11121.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Virginia.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Rhode Island State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Rhode Island.png|this file]])
[[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 13:16, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

:Hey, thanks. What a mess, huh? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:28, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

::Yeah I've noticed quite a bit of things needing cleanup around the wiki, including duplicate/low quality unused files. There's more state flags that I haven't listed yet. you forgot to delete [[:File:Medal Music.jpg]] btw [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 16:42, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

:::Thanks for your help, it's much appreciated. That Categorization scheme is all screwed up, so it's difficult to even round up what needs to be deleted. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:46, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

::::Yeah, and I have to ask administrators about some of these because some are admin-protected so therefore cannot be tagged. I'll try and see if I can find more [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 16:49, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

::::My guess is 11k of 22k Files are uncategorized. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:51, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

Here's some more:

*[[:File:DC flag.jpg]] (duplicate of [[:File:DC flag.GIF|this file]])
*[[:File:2628589070 30f1d23517.jpg]] (doesn't appear to serve any practical purpose)
*[[:File:Capital.jpg]] (file redirect with no links to it)
*[[:File:Vermont State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Vermont.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Wyoming State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Wyoming.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Tennessee State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Tennessee.png|this file]])

[[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:06, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
:A couple of those still link to pages. 18:41, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
::The DC flag one no longer does. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 11:11, August 11, 2021 (EDT)

== Deleting short articles ==

Personally, I don't see any harm in short stubs: CP could work at least as a kind of dictionary. But I suppose it is a matter of taste.
Just a request: could you check "what links here" before deleting a page? Thanks! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 09:24, August 11, 2021 (EDT)
:Yah, that's what I've been doing, but a few might have slipped past. The problem right now is, much of these pages someone studiously compiled in [[:Category:Dictionary]] are all orphans. And no one has bothered to de-orphan in 10 years. This is an object lesson for all editors: when you create a page, make sure you integrate the page into the whole wiki with a reverse link from at least one other page. Otherwise, it might eventually get deleted. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 09:42, August 11, 2021 (EDT)

== Administrators ==

A couple of days ago, I looked up the [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop list of administrators] (to find someone to convince Andy on a mathematical subject): most of them have stopped contributing before 2012. Do you intend to delete all of their talk-pages and user-pages? Or is there a reason that you singled out User:Joaquin Martinez? It leaves lots of red links behind.... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 02:57, August 12, 2021 (EDT)

User talk:RobSmith

2021-08-11T13:24:58Z

AugustO: /* Deleting short articles */ new section

[[File:Graph (1).png|right|500px|thumb|]]
February 3, 2020 - September 30, 2020 - '''145,228''' page impressions per day.

November 3, 2020 - Election day.
:hypestat: '''33K''' visitors and '''206,000''' page impressions per day.

November 23, 2020 - DDoS attack

'''December 29, 2020''' - started keeping records in Slack.
Country Alexa Rank
United States '''#63,303'''
:hypestat: '''27.1K''' visitors and 67,786 page impressions per day.

January 2021 - Similiarweb data [https://www.similarweb.com/website/conservapedia.com/]
United States '''#31,638'''

'''February 1, 2021''' - throughout Capitol riot and impeachment.
United States '''#33,508'''

February 3, 2021 - Rob's de-sysoping.

February 11, 2021
:hypestat: '''24.7K''' daily visitors Daily Pageviews 61,624.

February 13, 2021 - Last Google cache until March 25, 2021

February 15, 2021
United States #36,617

February 16, 2021
:hypestat: '''23.7K''' visitors and 56,793 page impressions per day.

February 17, 2021
United States #40,319

February 19, 2021
United States #45,529

February 23, 2021
United States #50,091

February 24, 2021
United States #58,914

February 28, 2021
United States #61,140

March 1, 2021
United States #72,355

March 2, 2021
United States #81,250

March 3, 2021
United States #87,177

March 4, 2021
United States #94,183
:hypestat: '''21.2K''' visitors and 52,997 page impressions per day

March 5, 2021
:hypestat: '''20.7K''' visitors and 51,764 page impressions per day

March 6, 2021
United States #99,248

March 7, 2021
United States #109,993
:'''#158,631''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days

March 8, 2021
United States '''#120,617'''

March 30, 2021
:hypestat: 20.7K visitors and '''49,694''' page impressions per day
:2.4 Daily Pageviews per Visitor
:2:27 Daily Time on Site
:Traffic Sources Past 30 Days 24% Search

April 2, 2021
:2.3 Daily Pageviews per Visitor
:2:24 Daily Time on Site

April 4, 2021
:2:14 Daily Time on Site

April 5, 2021 - RobSmith blocked until April 12, 2021

April 11, 2021
:'''172,231''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days
:'''2:12''' Daily Time on Site
:hypestat: '''19.2K''' visitors and 44,221 page impressions per day
:new lows

April 12, 2021
:'''173,873''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days
:'''2.2''' Daily Pageviews per Visitor
:news lows

April 13, 2021
:'''175,407''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days
:hypestat: '''18.7K''' visitors and '''41,214''' page impressions per day
:new lows

Restored - welcome back.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:14, 17 April 2021 (EDT)
:Thank you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:49, 18 April 2021 (EDT)

April 23, 2021
:'''130,885''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days
:United States '''#34,760'''
:'''6.3''' Daily Pageviews per Visitor
:'''7:08''' Daily Time on Site
:hypestate: '''19.7K''' visitors and '''120,290''' page impressions per day.
:Estimated value of Conservapedia.com is $976,213.61
:near term highs

:Karajou reinstated

April 24, 2021
United States '''#29,655'''
:new near term high

May 2, 2021
:hypestat: '''17.7K''' visitors and '''177,477''' page impressions per day.
:Monthly Visits (SEMrush): 169,321
:Monthly Unique Visitors (SEMrush): 124,005
:Monthly Visits (SimilarWeb): 366,059
:Daily Unique Visitors: 17,748
:daily visitors down 2,000

May 4, 2021
:hypestat: '''17.3K''' visitors and 258,821 page impressions per day.
:loss of another 400 viewers.
:Analysis: the trolls have the Alexa App - which gathers the information Alexa uses - installed on their browsers and leave open pages on their browser 24 hours a day while they do reconnaissance on which pages to target, in addition to their routine trolling. This distorts Time on site and Page views per visitor stats, with a direct impact on Alexa ranking stats.

July 6, 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 23.7K''' visitors per day

July 8 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 24.2K''' visitors per day

July 9, 2021
:hypestat: ''' approximately 24.7K''' visitors per day

July 14, 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 25.1K visitors per day'''

July 18, 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 23.7K''' visitors per day

July 19, 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 23.2K visitors'''

July 26, 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 22.7K visitors '''

July 27, 2021
:hypestat: '''approximately 22.2K visitors'''

August 8, 2021
:hypestat: '''23.2K visitors'''

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== Hey, Rob. ==

Where can I find the inactive template? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayoise the editor]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 20:40, 4 March 2021 (EST)
:Copy paste it from here. [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:RobSmith&action=edit] Incidentally, I reviewed both your stub about the Welsh guy and the WP article, and didn't see any "copying" from Wikipedia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]
:Unless of course you call reporting historical facts "copying". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:03, 4 March 2021 (EST)

== Another question. ==

Have you ever heard of everipedia? --[[User:Yeschayi|Builder]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 21:11, 4 March 2021 (EST)
:Sounds vaguely familiar. What is it? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:13, 4 March 2021 (EST)
:It’s similar to Wikipedia. It basically ported Wikipedia’s articles over. --[[User:Yeschayi|Builder]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 21:14, 4 March 2021 (EST)
::Sounds interesting They're ranked 26,000 globally and 8,000 domestically. [https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/everipedia.org] They eventually are concerned about their rank, competitiveness, and readership. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:31, 4 March 2021 (EST)
:::Does this article look bad for a start? https://conservapedia.com/Battle_of_Stamford_Bridge
::::No. It doesn't look anymore copied from Wikipedia any more than Conservapedia copied the idea of a source of knowledge from Wikipedia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:02, 4 March 2021 (EST)
::::So much for quitting eh Rob?--[[User:Mercian12|Mercian12]] ([[User talk:Mercian12|talk]]) 19:44, 12 March 2021 (EST)
:::::I'm looking for a few doggie biscuits. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:47, 12 March 2021 (EST)

== Greetings RobS, how are you doing? ==

Hello, Rob. I'm back. Hope you've been well. Thanks for all your efforts and hard work in making Conservapedia the great place that it is. I wonder if you've seen the recent Gordon Cromwell Report on the Status of Global Christianity 2021? I'm praying and working for Global Christianity to reach 3 Billion Souls - wow, how pleasing that would be to the Lord Jesus - by 2030. Please work with me and may all Christians unite for Christendom's sake!

In Our Lord Jesus,
Nishant X. God Bless.

:Thank you. Good to see you. Hope you've been well. Did you know that 20% of all CP traffic right now is coming from India? Your timing of a comeback couldn't have been better. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:57, 21 March 2021 (EDT)

:Welcome back NishantXavier! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 00:06, 22 March 2021 (EDT)

Great to know, Rob! India is going to rise to internet prominence in the next decade, with an estimated 1 billion internet users by 2025! https://www.analyticsinsight.net/india-estimated-to-reach-1-billion-internet-users-by-2025/ Thanks for all your great efforts in promoting Conservapedia! Together, we can reach the world, your country, the great USA, my country, my beloved India, for the Gospel, and the Conservative Cause!

I pray Our Lord Jesus will richly bless you and reward you for your good efforts in contributing to the Cause, in this life and the next. God Bless.

Edit: Thanks, LT. You're the reason I returned. Thanks for emailing me to remind me. Thanks for all your great work in promoting Conservapedia too![[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]][[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]] 00:09, 22 March 2021 (EDT)

Hi Rob. Please see if you can contribute to this article: https://conservapedia.com/Debate:_Will_Christianity_reach_3_billion_adherents_by_2030 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]][[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]] 04:35, 26 March 2021 (EDT)

== My update to the civility guideliness ==

Andy approved my addition to the civility portion of the [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|Conservapedia guidelines]].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:33, 29 March 2021 (EDT)

:This is the update I created: "For content disputes, be reasonable and make every effort to use an article's talk page to have a cordial and constructive dialogue. Stick to the facts in content disputes and back up your facts with a source or sources. If you are proposing alternative content in a content dispute, it must be sourced. Do not engage in personal attacks. Avoid bringing up irrelevant past disputes with editors and stick to the content dispute at hand. If you have a content dispute with another editor, do not immediately post to the other editor's personal talk page. The article talk pages is where the vast majority of discussion should take place. Avoid unnecessary content disputes by sourcing your article content."[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:34, 29 March 2021 (EDT)

== RobS and Northwest content disputes involving historical matters ==

I see a lot of disputes between RobS and NorthWest involving historical disputes. Below I give some great rules of weighing historical evidence.

=== Recommendations related to historical claims made by this article and information related to historiography ===

*[http://amorebeautifulquestion.com/historians-view-of-questioning/ Some keen insights from Pulitzer Prize–winner David Hackett Fischer]

*[http://historiansgaze.blogspot.com/2013/09/history-1701-reading-for-week-two.html Introduction to history]

*[http://historiansgaze.blogspot.com/2009/10/7-habits-of-highly-effective-historians.html 7 habits of highly effective historians]

"Fischer, David Hackett, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper Collins, 1970). In only approximately 300 pages, Fischer surveys an immense amount of background historical literature to point out a comprehensive variety of analytical errors that many, if not most, historians commit. Fischer points out specific examples of faulty or sloppy reasoning in the work of even the most prominent historians, making it a useful book for beginning students of history. While this book presumably did not make Fischer popular with many of his peers, it should be noted that his contributions as a historian have not been limited simply to criticizing the work of others; since 1976, he has published a number of well-received books on other historical topics."[http://history.nasa.gov/thinking/hist-4.html]

==== Fischer's 7 habits of sound historiography ====

Fischer's 7 rules for historians taken from [[Josh McDowell]]'s book The New Evidence that Demands a Verdict:

(1) The burden of proof for a historical claim is always upon the one making the assertion.

(2) Historical evidence must be an answer to the question asked and not to any other question.

(3) "An historian must not merely provide good evidence, but the best evidence. And the best evidence, all other things being equal, is the evidence which is most nearly immediate to the event itself."

(4) Evidence must always be affirmative. Negative evidence is no evidence at all. In other words, Fischer is saying that an absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence.

(5) The meaning of any historical evidence is dependent upon the context from which it is obtained from.

(6) "An empirical statement must not be more precise than its evidence warrants."

(7) "All inferences from historical evidence are probabilistic."

Josh McDowell's Evidence that Demands a Verdict, page 674, 1999, Mark MCGarry, Texas Type and Book Works, Dallas, TX, ISBN 0-7852-4219-8)

=== Fischer's 6 principles of question framing for historical investigations ===

*[https://sites.google.com/site/historiography101fischer/ Fischer's 6 principles of question framing] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:11, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

I hope this helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:48, 31 March 2021 (EDT)

== Black Lives Matter / Stacey Abrams / Noah Green ==

What was the idea of undoing [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Black_Lives_Matter&curid=138053&diff=1741707&oldid=1741699 my edits] in the [[Black Lives Matter]] article, which I intended to clean up part of the article (including replacing liberal-preferred terms with more appropriate ones) and add info? Also regarding [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Stacey_Abrams&curid=152713&diff=1741677&oldid=1717133 the edit you pointed out] in the Stacey Abrams article, I didn't miss it because it was accurate and sourced and it didn't need to be dealt with. In the [[Noah Green]] article, I also replaced the New York Times and Mediaite links with one from TGP because [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages#Partisanship of Sources|per CP's guidelines, liberal news sources (such as the NYT and Mediaite) are not trustworthy due to their partisan bias and penchant for blatantly lying to suit the liberal narrative]]. Are you just trying to stir up trouble again because I'm actually trying to get articles cleaned up? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 03:10, 3 April 2021 (EDT)

:I just reviewed the CP Guidelines page you linked to, and nowhere on that page does the phrase "liberal news sources" appear, let alone your specific parenthetical inclusions. Nice try. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:34, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

== Re: Your recent post on my talk page ==

In case you didn't get the memo, Islam is not a "race", and making such a false accusation (as well as falsely accusing me of "trolling") is not only a case of you doing the trolling yourself (and trying to start yet another fight), but by making it about race when it has nothing to do with such (which [[liberalism and racism|only liberals do]]), you're displaying racism yourself. Tread lightly. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 10:04, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

:Full disclosure: here is the text of an email I just sent to Andy.
{{quotebox|"I have just cause to be angry about User: Northwest's racist trolling. RobSmith edits under his real life identity. In an effort to find neutral language for the birther movement, I am the Admin who reverted Northwest's racist trolling and put in "said to be born in Honolulu" (as cited by Eugene Robinson of WaPo). I cleaned up Northwest's racist trolling in at least a half dozen articles with neutral compromise language. For those efforts, there now is a webpage on the internet calling me a racist and birther, for which I am neither. And Northwest does not edit under his true life identity.

Andy can't be involved in all aspects of CP day-to-day, but had I blocked Northwest for 5 years in 2017 for what on its face looks like subversive racist trolling, Conservapedia would still be in the 30,000 today rather than fighting to remain in top 90,000.

By Andy's actions, trusting and rewarding racists trolls while disciplining good-faith users who risked their own names and reputations, not to mention dedicating their valuable time and lives to the project, makes the notion of CP being a meritocracy a joke. Andy needs to wake up and smell the coffee.}}
I suggest you stop stalking pages I create edit or create, stop harassing other users, and stop making threats and allow Andy to complete his full review. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 10:32, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

:So basically, you lied to Andy and you're lying now on your own talk page (while still trying to make trouble, make false accusations, start fights, play the "victim" and project your own racism and trolling while making your imagined issue about race, even though it actually has nothing to do with race). All you're doing is still making yourself look bad in the process. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 11:40, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

::Why is it you sound more like a program than a thinking human being? Why are all responses programmed ("only liberals call people racists, therefore you are a liberal", "the NYT is liberal, therefore bad, wrong, and evil", etc). If you are not a sockpuppet of Karajou, you likely advanced your CP career by parroting him. Only Karajou is capable of human reason, emotion, and discussion. You are not. You sound like program whose only purpose is to harm the project and sow division. Conservapedia has suffered the likes of your kind in the past. It's nothing new. And don't threaten me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:49, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

== I saw Karajou lost his admin. ==

Have you seen yet? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 05:14, 21 April 2021 (EDT)
:Not til now. Looks like a policy shift away from arbitrary blocking and enforcement of site policies. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 05:17, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

== Is his death date known? ==

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Schweter --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 12:28, 21 April 2021 (EDT)
:According to the German wiki, unknown. [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Schweter] If no body was recovered, he may have disappeared into the Soviet gulag or was executed on the spot after I945. The same fate happened to hundreds of thousands at that time. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:46, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

== Question. ==

Who can start Conservapedia projects? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 17:49, 24 April 2021 (EDT)

:Anybody, I guess. Unless a senior Admin tries to kill it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:51, 24 April 2021 (EDT)

::I recently made a proposal for comment at the Community Portal and another Admin hit the SiteAdmin panic button, shut the site down, claimed it was an attempt by Rationalwiki to take over the site, and I got de-sysoped. So honestly, I don't know how to answer your question. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:55, 24 April 2021 (EDT)

== Hey RobS. ==

How are you. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 16:21, 30 April 2021 (EDT)
:I'm breathing and still have a pulse. But the deep state still has its knee on my neck. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:30, 30 April 2021 (EDT)

== Nice Edit! ==
I saw the edit to my contribution on the article [[Democratic Plantation]] regrading Sen. Tim Scott. I concur... [[User:Let us eat lettuce|Let us eat lettuce]] ([[User talk:Let us eat lettuce|talk]]) 21:17, 3 May 2021 (EDT)

== Rob. ==

Are the images on this page able to be used on the person's article (if they have one)?

https://conservapedia.com/Gallery_of_British_Heroes --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 09:54, 8 May 2021 (EDT)
:I don't see why not. We stopped paying rent to them a long time ago. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:34, 8 May 2021 (EDT)

== Re: Conservapedia Guidelines ==

Pointing out your abuses of power and your own incivility, false accusations (i.e. "violation of 90/10", which I did ''not'' do if you'd pay attention to my contributions page) and attacks on me is ''not'' "attacking" - and besides, as the guidelines themselves say, my user page, my castle. And incidentally, you yourself are guilty of incivility, bullying, ridiculing and attacking other users here (per your history), so you have no ground to stand on with your argument. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 16:45, 10 May 2021 (EDT)

== I need your opinion. ==

How is this article so far?

https://conservapedia.com/Joseph_D._Sayers --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 17:49, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

:Well, it's interesting how he went from Birth to fighting in Civil War battles. Perhaps you need more subdivisions or retitle "Birth" as "Early life". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:54, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

== New Discussion - Friendly Notice ==

Hey RobSmith. I just wanted to let you know I started a discussion about new content (Maybe a new article for it) about content on Wikipedia. You can see the discussion here: [[Conservapedia:Community Portal#Discussion for a possible new Wikipedia Article]]. I am letting the active editors know about the discussion. Feel free to drop your opinion in it! --[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 18:12, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
==Thanks Rob==

Hi Rob. Thanks so much.

Kudos to the great work you do.

Question. I noticed, sometimes, there is a block from editing any page, there appears only the 'view sources,' page stating, only administrators can edit.

I see it takes some time from the time I edit a page and seeing the edit while signed on, till it appears to the 'outside world.'

If/when I do have images, how does one upload it here, or how do I send them to you rather?

Thinking of a page dedicated to the issue of using civilians by anti-Anerican and anti-Israel forces. There are images from certain domains. Is there a way you can upload them, so that it is saved, conserved-on-conservapedia?

God bless.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:(1) We have a robot Minuteman who does temporary autoblocks when it detects unusual activity, such as adding or removing large blocks of text. It accidentally blocked you for about 5 minutes last night til I caught it. Sorry for the inconvenience. We can work around it.

:(2) As to images, just place a link here on my talk page and I'll upload it. Please make sure it's not copyright material, like the Associated Press for example.

:Thanks again, you're doing great work. I'm trying to cover all bases by creating Redirects. So far I have [[2021 Gaza War]] and [[2021 Hamas war]]. We'll probably do a [[2021 Isreali-Palestinian conflict]] eventually as well. But we also need a title to emphasize that attacks are coming from Lebanon and Syria,as well. Any suggestions? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:10, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

:: Sounds great.
Here are links to images re human shields:
The BBC image, its URL source is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6166998.stm which contains several.

https://sderotmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/hamashumanshields.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4422/2704/1600/palestinianuseofhumanshields1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xlOQjfLk_ks/SWKuHzgvc9I/AAAAAAAAAC4/7MiTOUg3rWc/s1600-h/terrorchildren2.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WPgVvOHdsLQ/maxresdefault.jpg

https://www.hakolhayehudi.co.il/Uploads/pics/%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%9F_%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%A9%D7%99.jpg

https://www.outlookindia.com/public/uploads/gallery/20040512/gaza_palestinian_militants_040512.jpg

https://avaazdo.s3.amazonaws.com/350db222d9c32f2bca8e1ebea01ae80d.png

https://static.educalingo.com/img/en/800/human-shield.jpg

https://www.israelhayom.co.il/sites/default/files/images/articles/2018/04/21/152433084061_b.jpg

https://ynet-images1.yit.co.il/PicServer5/2018/04/22/8485009/10030432_10030449_rumble.jpg

https://unwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Children-in-Hamas-Summer-Gamp.jpg

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2014/08/fff-e1408151169183.jpg

https://img.mako.co.il/2011/04/12/166411.jpg

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2017/12/Using-an-Ambulance-as-a-Shield-2.jpeg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42337000/jpg/_42337228_women_afp.jpg

https://www.idf.il/media/27099/hamas-children.png

http://www.thetower.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/FeaturedImage_2018-08-23_155940_YouTube_Hamas_Human_Shields.jpg

https://blinchiki.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/human-shield-2.jpg

[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:[https://conservapedia.com/Special:Log/upload Heres most of them]. Give me a few minutes, I'm still working on 2 or 3. One is too large to upload, so I'm going to try something another way. If it doesn't work, you may have to look for a smaller version. I'll put the link to the uploads on the talk page, too. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:12, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

::Please take your time. No rush.

:::There all done except the [https://ynet-images1.yit.co.il/PicServer5/2018/04/22/8485009/10030432_10030449_rumble.jpg one that is too large.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:20, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

On an unrelated matter, where would the following item go:

<blockquote>[https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/joe-biden-leaves-god-out-of-the-national-day-of-prayer/amp/ Joe Biden Leaves God Out of the National Day of Prayer]. National Review. May 10, 2021. Joe Biden Leaves God Out of the National Day of Prayer</blockquote>

Blessings.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:In the Joe Biden article. I'd put it here for now [[Joseph_Biden#Unity]], and depending how much information you have I can work on integrating it into the article later. Great catch, too! [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:20, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

:: You're right.

BTW the following are related published cartoons. Should they be uploaded?

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/15638000/ngbbs47c9c30f04c8f.jpg

http://markhumphrys.com/Bitmaps/israel.11.jpg

http://image.cagle.com/152477/500/15247.png

https://images.hamodia.com/hamod-uploads/2014/07/ed-1024x736.jpg

https://www.rightsreporter.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/diritto-bellico-scudi-umani.jpg

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-07-16-Smith_C20140715HP.jpg

http://image.cagle.com/150976/500/150976.png

[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:Generally, cartoons are copyright material, so we have to look at the terms of use from the original source. Look for wording such as "permission granted with proper attribution" or some such. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:26, 19 May 2021 (EDT)
:[https://www.rightsreporter.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/diritto-bellico-scudi-umani.jpg This one] for example, we may be able to use with attribution to the photographer. if someone complains later, big deal, we'll take it down. We're not using it for commercial exploitation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:32, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

Yes. It is good that the sources of the files are posted here, in case for any complaints.

How do I use attributes (sizes) within the wiki page? (Width="" height="")?
[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:Here's the basic format: <nowiki>[[File:Paste image here.jpg|right|300px|thumb|add text here]]</nowiki>

:I typically use 300px to 350px for images in the body of articles. You can change position from right to left. The 'thumb' allows for a box to add text, which can even hold footnotes to external links. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:06, 19 May 2021 (EDT)
::Great help. Thanks for already resizing the large one there...[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:::I added the new article to Template:Terrorism, which de-orphaned the page and created several [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Human_shields_by_terrorists&limit=500 inbound internal links]. This will help in Google results. I'm looking to create more internal links to Guardian of Walls also. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:21, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

::Very smart.
BTW.

The following image, as quoted in this tweet about an Arab nurse (Yusuf Naim) resident of and working in Israel, who put in his Instagram simply "Palestinian nazi"
https://mobile.twitter.com/tzvisuccot/status/1393641393264934914/photo/1
Main tweet:
https://mobile.twitter.com/tzvisuccot/status/1393641393264934914

(Nevermind the irony. As Hitler would exterminate also the Arabs: [https://web.archive.org/web/20181121205350/https://www.independent.ie/unsorted/features/have-no-doubt-hitler-would-have-wiped-out-arabs-after-jews-26277585.html Have no doubt Hitler would have wiped out Arabs after Jews, The Independent, 24 February 2007] eventually as another "inferior race" in his eyes)

[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:This guy's a professional nurse? Those imgs can be uploaded, no problem. And if they get deleted from Twitter, we have a record here, then. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:45, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

:Arabs? Possibly. Muslims however, did [https://conservapedia.com/Adolf_Hitler#Barbarossa serve in the SS.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:49, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

::Agreed. And an Arab author explained, Hitler's people tried to convince themselves the Mufti [[Haj Amin al-Husseini]] isn't pure Arab in blood... || And the guy, Yusuf Naim is a nurse, he worked as such in the Israeli Hadassah hospital before being suspended over this. || I tried to insert this url of image https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1dG7I-XMAAiEUm.jpg , it didn't work. [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:::Your tax dollars at work. As to the Arabs, the Nazis classified their Japanese allies as "Honorary Aryans" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_Aryan] The same could have been done to Arabs for service to the Reich. But now we're into coulda woulda shoulda historical writing. All we have are facts to deal with. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:52, 19 May 2021 (EDT)
::::Hi Rob. If and when you have a chance for these two images to be uploaded, please. The second is from the BBC a few years back.

https://mida.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Web_F081218AA01.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/media/images/76535000/jpg/_76535336_shields.jpg

Thanks for everything.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 10:57, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

:[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=upload&user=RobSmith&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= Done.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:36, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

:: Rob the great one... one more here when you can - https://mfa.gov.il/MFA_Graphics/MFA%20Gallery/2011/Turkel/ambulance.jpg
Thanks. [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:::Done. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:38, 20 May 2021 (EDT) [[File:Ambulance.jpg|center|250px|thumb|]]

___

Great job. Here are three images. One related to human shields. The other two to genocidal call by Hamas.

* http://www.peacewithrealism.org/images/hammad.jpg

Related to [https://palwatch.org/page/1089][https://youtu.be/RTu-AUE9ycs]

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* https://stream.org/wp-content/uploads/Memri-hamas-1.jpg

Related to [https://stream.org/hamas-wants-to-kill-all-jews-worldwide/]

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* https://likoed.nl/wp-content/uploads-plikud01/2016/03/By-Allah-we-will-dig-up-your-bones1.jpg

Related to:
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[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 23:10, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

:[https://conservapedia.com/Special:Log/upload Done]. These people are sick. I hope you don't use the ceasefire to slowdown reporting, but rather to catch up. There is so much there readers need to see and hear. Even in New York, Los Angelas, and elsewhere. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:40, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

:: You are do right. BTW, efardibg NY/LA... there is a parallel between the recent Islamic "protesters" appearing in one particular area in Manhattan violently and May 1, 2020 some Islamic "activists" taking advantage of BLM protests and carrying out an attack in LA, including graffiti of "palestine" on a synagogue. It was facilitated by a BLM operative Melina Abdullah (mostly raisd by her mother) who is a Farrakhan fan.. Why, if not intolerance was the particular Fairfax area even chosen?[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 00:23, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:::If you're too busy with events on the ground there in Israel, I can add content about it here in the U.S. and may elsewhere (London for example). Just create a subheading for it where you think it appropriate and I'll add it daily as news comes in. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:27, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::::Are you referring to something like a blog/column of updates on the main page? BTW I'm concerned about our country here in the US. But, it's just that it's so sensitive there and threat to survival and demonization are constant, at the same time. (True David VS Goliath, in many aspects) . And both countries are bound in shared values.|| Sorry to bother you with one more:
http://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/israel-pilot.jpg [https://nypost.com/2021/05/18/israeli-video-shows-mission-being-scrubbed-after-kids-were-seen/amp/ source]

[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 00:43, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::(ec)I mean separating violent protests and incidents outside Israel in the mainspace of the article. Rocket launches from Syria, for example, should probably go under their own subheading. As well as people eating in restaurants in NY and LA getting beat up.

:::::I do have Main Page access for headlines. This site however, is somewhat anti-[[neocon]] so the headlines can't be made to look like somebody is trying to drag the U.S. into war. OTOH, stories about [[AOC]] and [[The Squad]] trying to sabotage U.S. commitments to allies or being sympathetic to terrorists certainly is newsworthy. When you find a headline like that that appeals to U.S. readers, you can feed it to me and I'll see what I can do with it to link the [[Guardian of Walls]] article from the Main Page. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:50, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

:::::Latest img is uploaded. Bottomline, from my perspective, Israel is at war with Iran right now. Hamas are just the frontline foot soldiers and proxies. And most Americans do not understand this, as Biden and Kerry seek to facilitate an iranian nuclear weapon. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:59, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::Of course the main page should be about US 'direct' news. I actually joined this site when liberals tried to portrayed Ahmad Al Issa as some Trumpist-white-supremacist... BTW I'm for clarity, especially about bias in the media and that other site.. I am not advocating for any wars. For these decisions I leave for experts. . A little secret... I might be able to dig up some AOL email I sent at the time against invading Iraq. There is also a huge difference between an operation or operations and an invasion. And yes, the elephant in the room is the Islamic Republic of Iran. Weak Biden knows more than Sanders, but he is not the de-facto leader of the Dems... Radical leftists have grown stronger there (not that Omar/Tlaib are true progressives like AOC and Sanders, this pair's true agenda isn't entirely as the others in the group. Their joint appearances should not fool anyone.. The squad isn't made all of the same cloth. Though in reality, on the ground, as is, this gang is detrimental to our country for many aspects) though there is an internal struggle there. The 'conflict' in the middle east is about incitement to intolerance. Since the 1920s by the Mufti (who also assassinated the moderates) and still going on today http://palwatch.org school textbooks, plays/shows at a very young age or in mosque, which is why the April spike in attacks on Jews inside Israel who are known not to serve in the Israeli army shows the 'real' problem, beyond "issus". And of course dead kids pics are powerful in the campaign for this purpose. The element of forcefully spreading one particular religion should not be overlooked.. Further on, 'if' any attacks in the US occur they don't have to be related to 'Guardian of Walls'. Another parallel point, the race card being obsessively abused at every corner for political purposes here in God's great country is played so in the Haaretz phenomenon of the last decades (vs what it was historically they even give voice for rewriters of history), the paper's more popular outside Israel very much adopted by radical left internationally but most in Israel regard it as radical, fringe. Most Israelis have faith in God. || Here is a recent image: https://hannity.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/israel5-1.jpg
[https://hannity.com/media-room/listen-palestinian-tells-israeli-soldier-if-children-need-to-die-then-theyll-die/ source] Will embed/link the Hannity source in it|| Thanks and have a great weekend.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 10:04, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::Got it with my [https://conservapedia.com/File:Israel5-1.png Snipping tool on Windows 10.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:05, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:Great! I think you have an excellent understanding of the facts we are dealing with. Me personally, I have a deep abiding mistrust of American mainstream media, and I'm much impressed with the sources you have been using. These are the facts we can bring to readers and the American public. Feel free, please, to update [[The Squad]], AOC, or any other members' articles with their comments and reactions to these gross and vile human rights violations we are witnessing daily, or how it was facilitated by the present regime occupying the White House with cash to terrorist organizations. Or expanding the role the [[Islamic Republic of Iran]] is playing in all this. Thanks again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:53, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::Summing up your words. True, concise and precise. There are many factors in media bias [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 12:17, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:Question. How long is the delay from what is seen (edited matetial) internally by site users and external view - what is seen by all?[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 12:51, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

::I don't really know. I believe users accessing the site, like yourself or anybody else, see the current version. The question is how long before Google or others Index the site to appear in Search engine results, which I think is about 72 hours. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:53, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::IOWs, when Google scans the site, they are looking at a 72 hour old version, I think. The site owner knows those details and hasn't shared them. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:57, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:::Interesting. But in case you haven't noticed it. Try viewing a page you or others just edited. Then sign off and view at it again. Spot the difference.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
::::As I noted earlier, Conservapedia famously has been the target of trolling attacks, so new users have to go through a probationary period to establish ''bona fides''. Apparently the site owner is reviewing your edits, at which point you'll be granted more users rights, etc. (like SkipCaptcha is the bottom rung of the ladder). The problem is, he also has a fulltime job and his time can be limited. Just keep doing what your doing and there shouldn't be a problem (we've discussed the anti-neocon editorial stance already). My guess is that any alleged 'controversial' edits should be cleared in 72 hours. I'll bring this up in discussion with another Admin slated for this weekend. Let me know if something added does not appear in 72 hours. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:21, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::I see. When you get a chance,, https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Photos/itic-humanshield2.jpg
[https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Pages/Hamas-again-uses-Gazan-civilians-as-human-shields-July-2014.aspx source] And thanks again for your awesome work.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 13:25, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Itic-humanshield2.jpg Here's the latest]. Thanks for understanding. CP Admins are notorious for garbled communication and things can get fouled up. Everybody is preoccupied with their own pet projects. But I'm your advocate here and the wheels of bureaucracy grind slowly sometimes. If it's not inconvenient, you can provide to me diffs that show the lag time on edits appearing (I'm assuming nothing has been censored or removed). The time stamp on the diff could help. Thanks again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:33, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::::Thanks so much. And I was curious to ask what's the story with the cat you have in your profile. This one https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Photos/itic-humanshield.jpg belongs also to the last source. It's in Arabic
'Announcement from the ("Palestinian") ministry of the interior to the residents of the Gaza Strip, telling them not to pay attention to IDF announcements about vacating their homes'.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 13:39, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

::::::::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Itic-humanshield.jpg Here's the Arabic statement]. As to the cat, it's been an ongoing game of cat n mouse with trolls from Rationalwiki for 15 years. It's just a message that I'm always here, always watching, vetting content, ready to pounce. Some of my fellow Admins think I'm paranoid and nuts, but I know who the trolls are and can identify them easily after 15 years on the job. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:53, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::::::That site... I see. I presume CP had many hackers' attempts too in course of years, no doubts.|| This one is of the recent famous event in May 16. https://www.algemeiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2.jpg [https://www.algemeiner.com/2021/05/16/idf-releases-video-showing-pilot-aborting-air-strike-after-spotting-children-in-target-area/ source] [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 14:05, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::::::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Command_Control.jpg This img has a better resolution than the one uploaded last night]. We've experienced every kind of Crapflood and DDoS attack imaginable. Most of it can be traced to the RW network and Wikipedia Rogue Admin cabal. I wouldn't be surprised if we've come to the attention of the Chinese 50 cent Army lately. Right now, according to Alexa, visitors are spending one hour Time on Site without the actual number of unique visitors going up, which to me looks like a clickbot attack. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:17, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

== Message ==
I am sorry if I haven't responded. I just don't know that you have sent responses. I am not ignoring them. [[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 16:46, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

== Reverts and "Protected" ==
So engaging in discussion is "harassing" to you? Isn't that was is recommended and the policy? Communication? And engagement? Even if blunt? You put silly stuff on on Northwest's talk page, after did what you did. You obviously have no credibility...so it's irrelevant at this point in a way. But I'm curious.... (And I know you'll probably just dodge and delete...like a rude juvenile no-answer evasive schmuck...as you've proven what type of person and editor you are already...) But I am curious....

Why exactly did you revert me before putting that protection on that JW article, when my reverts were the justified ones? It was obvious POV-PUSHING and opinion and blog bias that was put walls of text by "David" a few months ago. So what was the reason you rudely undid my (necessary) undo, before doing what you did?

Conservapedia leans "conservative" or "right-wing", but it's still supposed to be a fairly neutral objective NPOV encyclopedia, and not a POV ''blog'' of hyper-trinitarians, JW-haters, and anti-Witness conspiracy theorists. There are other websites for that nonsense. NOT Conservapedia. So... Yeah, to you, David,...Northwest. The stuff that David added was what anti-Witness conspiracy theorists and "mainstream" biased church theologians PUT IN IN ANTI-JW BLOGS, videos, books, and private websites....not a supposedly objective encyclopedia article.

:Nope, these are true things about JWs, they're just too uncomfortable to you. The tone of your words indicates that '''you're the one who's thin-skinned.''' [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 09:17, 22 May 2021 (EDT)

David's statement of "conflicting with the Bible's teachings" is a PURE POV OPINION, having nothing to do with neutral encyclopedic anything. Because other people have the opposite view of what David put in...in that regard.

:Uh, no, "conflicting with the Bible's teachings" is '''objective fact.''' The liberal world pretends that religious beliefs are a matter of opinion, but we don't. It is just as much a fact that the "New World Translation" is an inaccurate Bible that removes all references to Christ's divinity. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 09:17, 22 May 2021 (EDT)

It doesn't matter how many contributions and edits you, or Northwest, or David has made on this site.

An editor on this thing may have hundreds of thousands of edits, hundreds of GAs, FAs, dozens of barnstars and a legion of friends-and-relations; DOESN'T MATTER....because, disruption is disruption, POV is POV, and tendentious malicious mendacious editing is tendentious malicious mendacious editing, no matter who does it.

David put in ANTI-WITNESS hateful neurotic BLOG JUNK, not professional neutral material, in those walls of texts there. And you and Northwest wrongly upheld that POV wording, tone, and nonsense. Why exactly? So then fix wording to make it more neutral and not what "conservapedia" itself thinks. Regards... [[User:Summa Verbius|Summa Verbius]] ([[User talk:Summa Verbius|talk]]) 00:08, 22 May 2021 (EDT)
:Sorry. I was just quoting the guy who removed your comments from his talk page (assuming it's a he) and in no way should it be considered an expression of personal opinion. Again, sorry if there was any misunderstanding. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:44, 22 May 2021 (EDT)

:The only thing I see in the JW article are things that are true but can make JWs uncomfortable. Of course, real JWs are not even supposed to read non-JW material. I see a JW material that just has a hard time accepting uncomfortable truths about his religion. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 09:17, 22 May 2021 (EDT)

:I don't even know what a JW is. I thought it stood for Justice Warrior. I had to delve into this trolling crap to realize it stood for Jehovah's Witness. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:54, 22 May 2021 (EDT)

== I am sorry if you think I am a liberal. ==
:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Anthony Bouchard]]

==Image==
Hi Rob. This 'Ali Alaheri' is classic. Attacking Church and Synagogue. Arrested today. Any extra explanation isn't necessary...

No. 1.
https://am23.mediaite.com/lc/cnt/uploads/2021/05/Al-Alaheri.jpeg [https://lawandcrime.com/crime/suburban-new-york-man-charged-with-torching-jewish-school-and-synagogue-trashing-catholic-church-display/ source]
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No.2.
Waseem Awawdah.
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/waseem-awawdah-1.jpg [https://nypost.com/2021/05/21/jewish-man-beaten-during-wild-midtown-protests-afraid-to-wear-yarmulke/amp/ source]
[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 22:42, 22 May 2021 (EDT)
[[File:Al-Alaheri.jpeg|500px]]
:Looks like Antifa Black Block (wearing grey). We got a new article started today you are welcome to add to. [[Palestinian violence under the Biden junta]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:44, 22 May 2021 (EDT)
:I can redo that one and crop the black out.... [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:45, 22 May 2021 (EDT)
:[https://conservapedia.com/File:Waseem-awawdah-1.jpg here's the other]. Gimme a minute and I'll crop the first. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:48, 22 May 2021 (EDT)
[[File:Al-Alaheri.PNG|500px]]

Great job Rob.
These both are Arabs (which overwhelmingly are of Islamic faith. As opposed to such as Joe Farah - www.wnd.com, Walid Phares and others..). I would edit the title to: ''' '' 'Palestinian ''theme'' violence under the Biden junta'. '' ''' As there are and expected to be much, mostly Islamic attacks under the Palestine flag, banner. The radical left crime is tacit approval and name calling, demonization of Israel such as by AOC...[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:So "Palestinian theme" would include non-Palestinians who sympathize, advocate, or incite violence? I'll pass the idea along to the page creator. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:12, 22 May 2021 (EDT)

::Yes, in my humble opinion. An umbrella for all those using that banner or/and excuse. Though almost all of this violence is by those that are neither Christian nor Jews.. ||Just to cite some reference about anti-Asian crimes, by conservative Ying Ma [https://mobile.twitter.com/gztoghetto twitter], Her [https://books.google.com/books/about/Chinese_Girl_in_the_Ghetto.html?id=TyTdBAAAQBAJ&source=kp_book_description book]
[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 19:59, 23 May 2021 (EDT)

:::It's similar to the BLM movement. In BLM's case, by far the vast majority are not black at all. And now we're beginning to see some crossover and merging of BLM and Palestinian issues, as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 20:02, 23 May 2021 (EDT)

Imagine if BLM riots did not come about at face-covering-covid19 days...[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:I added it here [[Anti-Asian_hate_crime#May_2021]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 20:25, 23 May 2021 (EDT)

::That's great. I'm still new here.||
Sure exploiter of "palestine" are many leftists and they do agitate. It is why I added Dickerson's interview with Sanders. As to the violent attackers per se, they are Arab mostly. One can hear also their accent even with their mask on... (Let me just give you an example of accents.
Hear how MSNBC's Arab-Palestinian Ayman Mohyeldin pronounces 'Hamas'...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN0-wCWlxPU ). Now, only a small minority of Arabs are not Muslim. This current tension/ hype has to do a lot with Jerusalem. It gives also excitement for jihad dreamers of world domination by their religion. But of course most people are decent in all races.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:::Yes, I understand. It's the woke white leftists waving the Palestinian flags, enabeling the Palestinian bomb throwers. Reading the Pam Geller site, she reports on virtually all the violent incidents in America, and some in the most surprising places not reported by [[MSM]] or anywhere else. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:19, 23 May 2021 (EDT)

::::Hi Rob. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bmFc8iliveo/UehPQ1_bxuI/AAAAAAAAYm4/Q_kmJKQZcak/s1600/beaches.jpg [https://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/p/eoz-posters-for-apartheid-week.html source] There are about 28 additional at that page, but I will post their url only per / depending --even more-- on you availability of time and discretion.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 11:05, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Beaches.jpg Done]. Go ahead and post the urls. I may do them in four or five batches at a time to give me break in between, but can them all completed in a few hours at most.
:::::They all are very very interesting. Question: Have you ever heard of the [https://west-eastern-divan.org/founders West-Eastern Divan Orchestra?] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:12, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
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west-eastern-divan, will check it out later. I clicked on it and there appeared Edward Said... a propagandist... I remember his rhetoric, at least he was not extreme as Hamas. In fact, in comparison he was one of ther moderates.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 14:32, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::A quote like: ''"[[Humanism]] is the only – I would go so far as saying the final – resistance we have against the inhuman practices and injustices that disfigure human history,"'' would meet vehement opposition on this site. But as to the orchestra itself - it began as strictly amatuers that would never stand a chance to play in modern professional orchestra. Frankly, they were lousy. But Barenboim, a guy I've thought of being one of the greatest interpreters living for a long time, brought in other big world-renowned soloists to perform publicly with them. Since then, they have come a long way and have improved and becoming very reputable and respected. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:04, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:I'm no fan of Said, either. But I'm not sure he ever advocated violence. i could be wrong. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:43, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::As far as I can remember, it seems you're right.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 14:50, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:::[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=upload&user=RobSmith&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= Got the first 7 done.] Will get back to more in a few minutes.... [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:54, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

::::Thanks Rob. No rush. Please take your time.||BTW. See this UK version of convergence... classic! [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9608179/Met-policewoman-shouted-Free-Palestine-wont-sack.html Met policewoman who shouted 'Free Palestine' at a protest 'won't get the sack because officers who took the knee during BLM rallies last year didn't face sanctions'] Senior officers are now considering whether to bring a gross misconduct charge against the 20-year-old, who is from South-East London and of '''Iraqi''' origin. (By Jake Ryan For The Mail On Sunday 22:03 22 May 2021).[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 15:00, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

:::::[https://conservapedia.com/Special:Log/upload Here's some more.] Sorry, my neighbor's dogs got out while she's not home so I've been chasing them around the parking lot for the past hour. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:11, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=upload&user=RobSmith&page=&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= I think I got them all.] Let me know if there's any screw ups. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:30, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

Thanks. As always a great job. Have seen most. || IMHO, regarding sharp rise in violence, mass shooting all across our US, is not unrelated to defund-ism and demonizing the ''blue lives''..
:I just saw the report on the mayor of Rochester NY husband being arrested on drug and weapons charges. She claims its retaliation for wanting to defund the police and politically motivated just before the election. Looks like we've reached the next level in the debate. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:52, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::Yes we did... | Question, is there any way you can upload an image from here [https://honestreporting.com/bbc-journalists-hitler-was-right-other-antisemitic-tweets-exposed/] or here [https://meaww.com/tala-halawa-bbc-journalist-hit-was-right-israeli-defense-force-go-to-hell-social-media-fire-reaction] ? Or is the only way, to grab a screenshot? I'm referring to the tweet of that BBC Arab-"palestine" journalist Tala Halawa where she tweeted "Hitler was right" BBC is in [https://www.jpost.com/bds-threat/bbc-reporter-comes-under-fire-for-tweets-supporting-hitler-668946 hot water] now over this.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 21:44, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:::[https://s36667.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Relocate-Israel-768x412.jpg This one I can upload;] [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2Dnu63X0AAoDwW?format=jpg&name=medium this one I need to screenshot to upload]. Which do you prefer? or both? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:01, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::::Thanks. And I'm way behind from being savvy... in case this isn't proof enough...
simlified: https://images.contentstack.io/v3/assets/bltf04078f3cf7a9c30/bltb1300e43e0951ede/60ab60174adeb65c03d762c3/E2Dnu63X0AAoDwW.jpeg?format=jpg&width=1440 [https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/bbc-journalist-hitler-was-right- source][[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:::::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Tala_Halawa.PNG Here it is]. I think we have a lost generation on our hands, if this is what the educational system is graduating into the professional classes. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:12, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

== Can you unlock [[Template:Conservatism]]? ==

There are some additions I'd like to make to the template. Thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 22:01, 23 May 2021 (EDT)
:Done. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:17, 23 May 2021 (EDT)

==Boulder==
Sorry to create a new section, as I'm getting lost you are amazingly busy. God bless. This re father of Boulder shooter, Ahmad Al Issa https://populist.press/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Post3.jpg
[https://populist.press/boulder-shooters-dad-posts-violent-threatening-statements-online/ source] | BTW I hope it's OK that I added that radical left have their own agenda (at the Palestine theme violence page)

:[https://conservapedia.com/File:Post3.jpg Here's the upload]. And you're right. people can be incredibly naive, not seeing how one group merges or piggybacks on another group's grievance in common cause. So it's an important aspect that needs some explanation in many articles. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:06, 25 May 2021 (EDT)
::One can just look what this group has done to us all, abusing Americans' decency after Floyd's clip for their overall agenda...[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 15:13, 25 May 2021 (EDT)
:::The local police are funded by local taxpayers. When George Floyd becomes the symbol of America's local police "oppression" by extremists in Israel, they basically are saying that Americans who pay local taxes to support police, fire, and trash removal are their oppressors. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:17, 25 May 2021 (EDT)
::::Yup. A symbol by "palestinian"-Arabs and there is a share of small but very active/noisy radical left in Israel helping them too. Such as Haaretz/B'tselem.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:Good evening Rob.
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/05/Danial-Shaukat.jpg
[https://nypost.com/2021/05/25/man-accused-of-hurling-threats-outside-jewish-synagogue-apologizes/amp/ source][[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
::eww, that's a large file. I might have to get LT to help me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:55, 25 May 2021 (EDT)
:::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Danial-Shaukat.jpg Here it is.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:22, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
Hi Rob. Sorry, I didn't realize it's large. When you ger a chance please: https://www.dailynews.com//wp-content//uploads//2021//05//LDN-Z-RESTAURANT-ATT-16x9-1-1.jpg [https://www.dailynews.com/2021/05/25/whittier-man-arrested-in-anaheim-after-anti-semitic-attacks-in-west-l-a-lapd-says source] https://images.whattoexpect.com/217b4059-3353-4c89-901a-1d3af0ea647b
[https://www.ngo-monitor.org/sheikh-jarrah-property-claims/ related to] Thanks.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 18:36, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:[https://conservapedia.com/Special:Log/upload Here they are.] Also, have you [https://therightscoop.com/watch-amazing-video-shows-college-students-happily-fork-over-cash-for-hamas-to-destroy-israel/ seen this? it's scary,] but honestly, I don't see how to fit in in some of the narratives without it seeming parody in the present circumstances. Maybe in some of the articles on Wokism, [[Leftism]] and Progressivism. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:49, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
::OMG I certainly did not see that. Re TheBlaze... I still remember Glenn on CNN... how the msm only worsened since... Now about what category... I'm not sure yet but it's a combination of: 1. Israel is seen as little US by lefry radicals, in other words, Maduro fans automatically hate Israel (their terminology is "capitalists". Defund-ism and anarchism has a lot to do with this. And a secured Israel u
Is the exact opposite) . 2. part of bigotry veiled under supposed caring for the underdog. Not realizing the bigger picture. The real Goliath. Not seeing the Iranian and other Islamic forces. Sky News [May 24] interviewed the Hamas senior guy, after a rant of lies, at the end he said what he really thinks about Israel's right to exist: "We are the owner of this area – Arabic area. This is well known as an Islamic area." He said. Now, that is Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad etc. What Trump did do, is strengthen the moderates and create alliances which automatically shifts them to the West, because of the Western little country in their neighbourhood. .this from 1967, a few months before the war, the warning about Shukairy. https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/i/image/api/image/bhl_djnews:djn.1967.02.03.001-00000009:IMG00000009/full/full/0/default.jpg (First helping Hitler and agitating the Arabs against the West, then joining the Communists after the war, for weapon... says a lot. Not much has changed). When you get a chance you can upload it.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

:Ami Horowitz vid shows a much deeper problem - this the crap they are learning in collegiate classrooms. BTW, I cleaned up much of CP's [[Iran]] article, which was outdated from 2007 and had some really questionable junk in it. If you'd like, you can help out updating it since then. Most people simply do not understand Iran's use of proxies and militias to further their foreign policy objectives rather using their own standing army. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:41, 26 May 2021 (EDT): ...and their Mahdi dream...Which is why they care about Jerusalem... among others. They really have no border or "land" disputes with Israel. [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 19:55, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
::Bingo. We need a [[Quds Force]] article. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:58, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
::I don't know if you need it, but I was able to a capture and [https://conservapedia.com/File:Detroit_Jewish_News_Feb_3_1967.PNG upload on the Detroit Free Press]. I'm sure we can use it somewhere in CP. We have a [[6 Day War]] article that can be expanded. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 20:06, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:::tip, Alex Saab is the figure between Hezbollah betwee and Maduro..[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
::::wow. You know about [[Project Cassandra]]? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 20:37, 26 May 2021 (EDT):::::Yes, read re ProjectCassandra. |Re Shukeiri, it goes even further, if you can take a screenshot and upload [https://books.google.com/books?id=ijg4AQAAMAAJ&pg=SL1-PA5735&dq=#v=snippet&q=%22all%20out%20for%20Hitler%22&f=false it] when you get a chance. Please see upper right column: first he worked for the Communists against the West the Allies, then when Stalin began fighting Hitler, he went over to the Nazi side and helped Hitler... Let's all remember he was of the founders of their entity[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:::::[https://conservapedia.com/File:All_out_for_Hitler.PNG This might work.] I can re-do it to add or take out whatever highlighted portions you think fit. Oh, and if you find anything in the [[Iran]] article you think outdated, irrelevant, or questionable, we can rotate it out to [[History of Iran]] for further review. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:34, 26 May 2021 (EDT)

:::::I think that Iran article is cut n pasted from the CIA's World Fact Book in 2007, so it's probably loaded with misinformation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:40, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:Hopefully we will get to that too. Awesome work, you do. I also added there the vital point when the hostages were released...also repaired formatted many links...[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 23:31, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:Hi Rob. When you get a chance for [https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/i/image/api/image/bhl_djnews:djn.1946.07.12.001-00000002:IMG00000002/full/full/0/default.jpg this], the article is on right hand corner. Upto where it says, "The arch-author ", that line should not be included... if you can highlight the word "Shukeiri", then the text: "Justified the murder of six million Jews". The same at Jamal Husseini. Thanks again.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

::[https://conservapedia.com/File:Jewish_News_July_17_1946.PNG My highliters a bit thick] but I got it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:49, May 27, 2021 (EDT)

:::Hi Rob. When you can, please, [https://ynet-images1.yit.co.il/picserver5/crop_images/2021/05/24/H1ZhqItYd/H1ZhqItYd_0_0_3000_1985_0_medium.jpg img]
[https://www.ynetnews.com/article/BJFq1gTKO source], [http://u.a7.org/pictures/846/846980.jpg img]
[http://en.inn.co.il/Articles/Article.aspx/22435 source]. Wishing you a great Memorial weekend [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

==Category==
What cat. would these in group go under?
The sudden switch to the truth --by pro-Biden media, or by Biden admin.-- yet, never admitting being wrong about it:

*Origin of covid = Wuhan lab.
*Hunter Biden' laptop.
*The initial objection (such as by Harris at the time per interview while candidate ) to Trump 'Warp Speed' vaccines.[[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])
:We have these Categories: [[:Category:Coronavirus]], [[:Category:United States Presidential Election, 2020]], [[:Category:Biden Junta]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 10:34, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

Thanks. I hope it's OK I added Harris's objection in [https://conservapedia.com/Operation_Warp_Speed#cite_note-11][[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]]) 11:23, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

== How is gaming coverage handled here? ==

I am a conservative who plays video games, especially [[Mario]]. I was thinking this website could use with more gaming-related articles, but written from a conservative point of view (kind of like a parent's guide). How does this idea sound? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:08, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:I'm not really familiar with the issue. You might want to look here [[:Category:Video Games]] for some perspective. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:17, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::I also asked a question on the [[Talk:Main Page|Main Page talk]] (bottom section) if you or another admin want to check that out as well. for some reason there are two save buttons (I don't know if this is a new account issue). So at the top right it's the "publish" button, and it brings up a summary window of its own (different from the "Save page" button below). I was hoping they could be merged so that I don't have to add in an edit summary twice. Thank you. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:24, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:::New accounts are generally monitored for a period of time and granted ''SkipCaptcha'' rights after appearing to be bona fide. It's an anti-trolling measure. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:41, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::::Okay, that definitely makes sense. It's unfortunately the case in a sinful world. I think conservative websites are showing promise nowadays, and as the left goes more and more astray from normal and reality, the stronger conservatives websites get. As President Trump has said, we will win! [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:45, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::[https://youtu.be/izeU9vIWOuc?t=178 Trolls have to get up early in the morning to fool me]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:05, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::Good news: [[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] told me that video game (and [[chess]]) articles are okay. :) I made an infobox for video games -- I was surprised that there wasn't one yet. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 18:44, 25 May 2021 (EDT)
What was on the [[Super Mario 64]] article before its deletion? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:10, May 27, 2021 (EDT)

:"'''Super Mario 64''' is a 3-D video game for the [[Nintendo 64]] where Mario must go inside of paintings and beat levels. The object is to get enough stars at the end of the game to get to [[Bowser]] and defeat him to rescue [[Princess Peach]].
[[:Category:Video Games]]
:[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:13, May 27, 2021 (EDT)

::Cool, just curious. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:19, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
:::Super Mario 64 isn't a cover for D&D, RW, and the road to hell, is it? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:30, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
::::If it were (and the subject matter isn't too explicit), I suppose it's our duty to warn about it. Game franchises like [[Final Fantasy]] (Japanese role-playing game) are based on D&D however. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:37, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
:::::[https://youtu.be/WIPk7z17jxY As Joe Friday said...]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:42, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
::::Can [[Pokemon]] be moved to [[Pokémon]] (seeing as the series has an accented 'e')? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:39, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
:::::Sure. I'll do it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:42, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
::::Is there a way to either restore or unprotect the [[PlayStation 3]] page (like how [[PlayStation 2]] has a page)? I can't recreate it because it's admin-protected. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 18:28, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:::::It looks likes a cut n paste from elsewhere. We can give you few days to clean it up and look at it then to see what exactly it is we got. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:58, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
::::::Is it ok if I trim most of it? Looks like a Wikipedia copy [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 19:14, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:::::::Oh yah, definitely. Use it as a mold, but write and rearrange as much as you can. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:23, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
::::::::Yeah because then that way it's original to Conservapedia. I like how there's a policy here on writing original articles and that it all seems to be free of a content license -- truly reusable and belonging to [[We the People]] (and abroad, as Conservapedia is accessible in most countries). I have redone Wikipedia pages before (mainly gaming ones) in that the page becomes so different that it can basically be considered original writing. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 19:31, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:::::::::I got one like this I've neglected for awhile, [[Ron Klain]]. I guess I'm just waiting for a scandal to erupt to put some time into it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:43, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

== Scope? ==

Has the scope for Conservapedia coverage been made larger from its earlier days? (presumably because of how much liberals have compromised that articles on anything remotely normal seem necessary) Deletion logs show that some "pop culture" articles have been deleted about a decade ago. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:05, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
: I don't know. It's impossible to discern or determine. Discussion of such things is usually dealt with harshly and rudely. The only method I know of is trial and error. If you get blocked, the answer is probably "no", but good luck appealing your argument. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:20, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:: I didn't have an issue with anything in particular, I was just curious. Anything normal is becoming conservative these days due to the lunacy of the left. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:22, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:::I'm not even sure about that. The definition of "conservativism" around here tends to mean "stale", "outdated", "non-dynamic", and sometimes even "mean" and "vindictive". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:26, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
::::Do you find that I've been a help to Conservapedia? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:59, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::I can't really answer cause if I say yes, I'll be accused of being in bed with sockpuppet trolls, and if I say no I'll be accused of being a paranoid conspiracy theorist about sockpuppet trolls. So, sorry. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:22, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::Good call. Also, there's a vandal who just registered (and I marked a few more things for speedy deletion). [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 18:29, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::::I can't keep up with the vandals registering. Andy apparently has approved it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:32, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
::::::::I've been told that that's why there's [[User:Minuteman|Minuteman]]. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 18:34, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
:::::::::Everything you post must be true and verifiable. [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=1760882] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:36, 26 May 2021 (EDT)

== Can [[Danny Gokey]] be restored? ==

He's a Christian musician. Others such as [[Hawk Nelson]], [[Todd Agnew]] have pages, so I wonder if same for Danny Gokey. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:46, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
:Done. I see JPatt edited it so there should be no problem. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:51, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
::Thank you, I couldn't help but think it was disrespectful to see that his page was deleted (seeing as he's a Christian artist yet some others get pages). Even then, there are bad ones (like [[Hillsong Young & Free]]) who virtue signal, and need to be warned about. Speaking of [[Hillsong]], can that page be moved to [[Hillsong Church]] (the full name)? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:54, May 27, 2021 (EDT)
:::Never speak ill of the dead (unless it's Richard Nixon), but TK, God rest him, made some bad decisions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:06, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
::::I don't know who TK. I just thought it was disrespectful that he deleted that page. Sad to hear that he's gone though, I hope he is in [[Heaven]]. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 00:13, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:::::He was one of those guys who got an endorphin rush hitting block and rollback, like playing Space Invaders only being able to zap real people. Needed that endorphin rush like an alcoholic needs a drink. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:19, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

== Editing locked at night times? ==

What is the timeframe of when editing is locked at night? I've noticed in the early morning that the site is locked from editing at night. People have confirmed to me that it's to deal with both troublemakers and trolls. It's... 9:26PM here on the west coast, but I can still edit? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 00:26, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

:I'm not exactly sure, but I know it's shut off for like 6 or 8 hours, probably beginning about midnite West coast time. You can ask Andy for the ''edit'' tag for night editing privileges. Wikipedia, that font of knowledge and information, might have more information on the exact hours than anything posted here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:31, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

::I'm allowed to ask him for that edit privilege? I thought it had to be earned. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 09:35, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

:::Who knows what he may or may not do? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 09:44, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

:::If you try to fix or improve things, you may get blocked or banned. If you create stale and outdated content, block bona fide users, and delete good pages, you may earn enhanced user rights. It's impossible to say. Trial and error seems to be the only process. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]

:::Oh, and discussion is risky. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 09:52, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

== [[Template:Nihongo]] ==

ok so template is from wikipedia from years ago, before they overwrote it with {{#invoke:}}. i attributed to it in edit summary, but didn't know how to make it different enough (although did cut out some unneeded parts, like a link to Help:Japanese. Is the template ok? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 21:03, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:What's it used for? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:05, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
::Japanese name. See on [[Bulbasaur]] page -- where the Japanese name next to the bold text. if it's not allowed, feel free to delete [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 21:06, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:::Ok, I think I understand. Does it need to be locked? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:09, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
::::I suppose it would be a safe thing to do, yeah. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 21:10, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
:::::Okay, thanks. If you're done I'll do that. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:11, May 28, 2021 (EDT)
::::::I'm not editing the template at the moment, so should be safe to do. Thank you [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 21:12, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

== For Example on the America First Movement ==

Watch this video on Arizona, it talks about how the GOP can take back Arizona and explains the America First Agenda pretty well (This language can be found everywhere on rightwing outlets). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P3GRIYQoIE
[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 18:42, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:There is no America First Caucus in Congress. What more needs to be said? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:50, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:Yes, there is no Caucus, but there is an ideology. That is what the video explains. [[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 18:56, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:America First Agenda, just means America First Ideology rather than a caucus. [[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 18:57, May 29, 2021 (EDT)

::Well sorry, the MAGA movement and/or ideology does not goosestep and 'Sieg Heil' as Progressives do. So your efforts are bound to fail. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:03, May 29, 2021 (EDT)

:Free speech advocates, for example, which is an integral part of the 'MAGA movement' as it is called, respect the rights of fellow voters even within the movement to hold and express opposing opinions. Free speech advocates have been kicked out of [[the Left]]. These categorization schemes appear to be little more than another leftwing effort to paint all their opponents as racists. Been there, done that, seen the movie, read the book, I know how it ends, and I got he T-shirt as well. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:07, May 29, 2021 (EDT)

:And yet I do not see you working on [[:Category:Leftist who deny free speech]], or [[:Category:American First proponents who respect differences of opinion]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:10, May 29, 2021 (EDT)

== The ChadUser drama ==

So looks like ChadUser wanted me to back him in his argument with you. I didn't want to pick sides here because I don't know the full story. The definition of a RINO can be dangerously ambiguous -- like if someone did one small thing wrong (or has one small stance and therefore counts as a RINO)? That's not good, and potentially disqualifies a candidate who would otherwise be a good representative. This was your side of the argument, correct? I was giving my perspective just now. If I were ChadUser, I'd just be glad that his two article were not deleted because that's where the real effort goes into, and the general public cares more about viewing articles than categories. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:31, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:Chad simply needs to learn how to work with other users, not ignore inquiries or troll people with responses. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:45, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
::I am honest that I appreciate the two articles he made, although your point of collective thinking of who's good and who's bad is definitely a valid point since it's the left that cancels for even slight difference in opinion. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 23:53, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:::Much of those efforts is simply applying leftist organizing techniques, intersectionalism, and identity politics to GOP officials. It's not rocket science to figure it out. Republican voters have a different [[frame of reference]] from leftists. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:58, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
::::The categories are too much a matter of opinion whereas the articles themselves can talk about things that, let's say, [[Mitt Romney]] did and the couple of times that he sided with liberal policies. This way it keeps a track record for others to refer to seeing as a lot of conservatives are often worried about what policies conservatives side with. There's also a matter of fact or opinion; for example, it is a fact that [[Mike Pence]] illegally certified the election for Biden, so then that is mentioned on his article. Is what I'm saying making sense? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 00:04, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
:::::Yes, no, and maybe. The subject should be another discussion for another time and place. Bottomline, if and when another user and/or admin makes an inquiry about your editing practices, it would be best to respond in good faith. If and when a discussion occurs, do not troll the talk page with cut n paste argumentative postings from the same thread. Not only is it redundant trolling, it's insulting to the reader. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:05, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

===subject matter===
In all the years the <nowiki>[[Category:Traitor]] has existed, mistakenly as a subcategory of [[Category:Liberal]], [[Category:Democrats]], and [[Category:Democratic Party]]</nowiki>, it contains a single element, [[Benedict Arnold]], whose treason occurred 5 decades before the Democrat party was founded. The category itself was created by a troll.

Not a single user in all the years that category has existed, not even myself (despite many temptations to do so), has ever placed any Democrat, living or dead (not even [[Julius Rosenberg|Julius and Ethel Rosenberg]]) into that category. Yet Chad had no compunction whatsoever of slandering more than 30 living Republicans he hoped to primary in 2022. He's lucky it was me giving him a two-day block. Other Admins would block indefinitely and burn everything he ever contributed down.

If he wants to learn how to be a productive editor, I could teach him. If he wants to continue trolling, he may as well stay away. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:54, June 1, 2021 (EDT)

== Rob, I need an opinion. ==

Should we have a category for small articles so they can be improved, however the Category:Stubs Page was deleted in 2012, I don’t understand the reasoning behind it as I wasn’t around back then. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 23:33, May 29, 2021 (EDT)
:Me neither. CP has zillions of uncategorized, orphaned stubs that people created and walked away from. How do they ever expect anyone to find it? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:43, May 29, 2021 (EDT)

== is it ok if the following Mario articles can be restored? ==

Provided they at least had some substantial content and aren't Wikipedia copies:

*[[Super Mario Bros. 2]]
*[[Super Mario Bros. 3]]
*[[Super Mario Land]]
*[[Super Mario World]]
*[[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island]]
*[[New Super Mario Bros.]]
*[[Super Paper Mario]]

Also, mind undeleting [[Zelda: Ocarina of Time]] and moving the page to its full title [[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time]]? Same with [[Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask]] to [[The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask]]. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 11:16, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

:There's one more at [[List of Nintendo DS games]], which appears to be somewhat comprehensive (from what I've seen in Wayback Machine). [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 12:33, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

::Done, I think. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:43, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

:::Yep, thank you. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 13:05, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

:::I'm a bit worried about Mario; It may have corrupted the mind of that vicious, intolerant Rationalwiki trustee LeftyGreenMario. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:45, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

::::Is it because Mario jumps on turtles or encourages use of mushrooms? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 13:01, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

:::::That explains it! She's eaten too many shrooms and it destroyed too many brain cells. Does SuperMario encourage children to do that? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:06, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

::::::I guess it's reminiscent of [[Popeye]] teaching kids to eat [[spinach]]. It's sure worked on me before. However, with [[Mushroom]]s, there are good ones and then there are bad, poisonous ones. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 13:08, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

:::::::And there's hallucinogenic ones that make the user paranoid. They evidently have lingering effects. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:14, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

==More to undelete==
I just found a few more as well (assuming these aren't Wikipedia copies): [[Super Smash Brothers Brawl]], should be renamed [[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]); [[Final Fantasy I]]; [[Link (video game character)]] (rename to [[Link (The Legend of Zelda)]]; [[Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories]]; [[Final Fantasy IV]]; [[Final Fantasy V]]; [[Final Fantasy VI]]; [[Ratchet and Clank]]. Also, similar to [[Danny Gokey]], can the [[Thousand Foot Krutch]] article (christian metal band) also be restored? Sorry to overwhelm -- this should be the last wave of family-friendly video game pages to undelete.

Also, [[Princess Peach]] is sysop-protected from recreation as well. You don't have to undelete this, but I want to be able to recreate the page (like how there's a [[Mario]], a [[Yoshi]], [[Bowser]], [[Donkey Kong]] pages). [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 13:36, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

:Done. There's two I had questions about and raised it on the appropriate talk pages. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:01, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
::I have played FF5 before & those things don't immediately pop out to me (esp transvestism & environmentalism i don't recall either). I have said on the [[Final Fantasy]] page that [[magic]] is a recurring feature in the games. I think parental guides for the FF games are probably needed. the GBA game is E10+ rated [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 15:10, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
:::<s>Also you forgot the [[Thousand Foot Krutch]] page. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 15:12, May 30, 2021 (EDT)</s> Oh wait, never mind, I just saw your message to Conservative.
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::::To address the FF5 bit, I will acknowledge that the game is technically guilty of crossdressing in the form of one of the main characters Faris Schwertz, though it should be noted that she was more or less forced into doing that by her foster family, a bunch of pirates, which implies it was a negative condemnation of crossdressing. As far as environmentalism, actually, you could argue that the game if anything was anti-environmentalist. The various elemental crystals shattering was NOT due to human usage, it was because Exdeath was forcing them to shatter it via demonic possession in an attempt at escaping his encapsulation prior to the events of the game, usually by possessing various characters (or in the case of the water crystal, an up and out animal). Not to mention Exdeath wasn't even a human being, he was a sentient tree that took the form of a knight, and the reason he was that? He was used in a hexing ritual to seal away various demonic creatures, and such caused him to develop self-awareness. And in FF6's defense, the nihilism bit was NOT meant to be portrayed in a positive manner, as the one dabbling in nihilism, Kefka, was the main villain. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 15:31, May 30, 2021 (EDT)}}

==[[Roleplaying game]] to role-playing game==
On the talk page, there's been a discussion on whether the page should be moved and have a dash included in the title. Do you agree with this idea. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 15:19, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
:Not sure; hyphenated gets 1.8 billion results, roleplaying gets 17 million. May have a better shot unhyphenated, but it's obviously incorrrect.
:Did LeftyGreenMario learn to be a fascist through role-playing? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:35, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
::There are some Mario role-playing titles, but then there is also racing, minigame party, adventure, and even olympic games with an anthropomorphic blue hedgehog named Sonic. And Mario started out as a character who jumped over barrels thrown by a gorilla -- a game that started out as a [[Popeye]] one believe it or not (before the license for using him expired). [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 15:48, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
::: I don't know much; I like Zelda but Paperboy was my favorite. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:51, May 30, 2021 (EDT)

== ChadUser ==

I put these messages on Chad User's talk page after I banned him for a month.

You were told to stop adding a lot of thoughtless category tags. For example, [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Vernon_Jones&curid=158949&diff=1765933&oldid=1762897 this tag] called the Republican Vernon Jones a DINO (A Democrat in Name Only). It makes no sense. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:42, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

:You now have a 5 year topic ban of adding anymore category tags. You are forbidden to add anymore category tags for 5 years. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:51, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
=== Addendum ===

Feel free to block him again if he acts up again. And feel free to revert all his category tags. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:55, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
=== I sent an email to Conservapedians to shut down category tag vandals ===

I sent an email to Conservapedians to shut down category tag vandals.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:13, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

== Joe Biden is 5 months away from being 79. ==

What does this mean for the United States? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 13:50, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
:I dunno. Do you really think he's running things? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:39, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

== Re: Megan Rapinoe ==

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You would do that, wouldn't you? Way to continue showing your continuing uncivil attitude toward those who know the truth about what the Democrats did. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 00:59, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
:Pardon me, I forgot. You're in Canada. What do you care, anyway? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:01, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
:Are you one of those anti-American imperialists? Why do you behave like Vladimir Putin, interfering in American affairs? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:04, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
::Funny, I thought you LIKED Putin back when Trump was in office? At least I was consistent and hated Putin both while Trump AND while Biden were in office (and for the record, I never viewed Putin as having interfered in the 2016 election, not on Trump's behalf, anyhow). And BTW, you're reminding me too much of that DocColress jerk from All the Tropes, who also acted very abusive with his moderator actions. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 07:19, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
::::Calling out the MSM & DNC for b.s., lies, and propaganda isn't the same as "liking Putin." Careful, you sound like a leftist. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:27, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
:::::Calling them out for lies and propaganda would be stating Donald Trump is NOT bought and paid for by the Russians. It is NOT, however, parroting lies about Putin being anti-Communist despite his making it perfectly clear he compared Lenin with Saints Relics or voicing support for Communism during their World Youth Concert, even speaking at it, and bragging about retaining his KGB uniform instead of, say, burning it, which New Republic/JBS and Western Free Press also reported as did Trevour London, none of whom last I checked were MSM or DNC and if anything went out of their way to wreck their talking points constantly. And I've had to interact with your posts basically defending and promoting Putin, so don't even try to claim you don't defend or promote him. And BTW, you and Conservative's recent behavior as of late is PRECISELY the reason why Conservapedia's now a joke. If you were truly concerned with stopping Biden's overreach and the leftist encroachment and wrecking of the country, for example, you'd be siding with NorthWest, NOT undoing his edits and even threatening to report him to the Biden-controlled DHS, and you know it. I know if it were me in your position, I'd if anything aid NorthWest in doing as much to expose and destroy the Biden administration as possible, not allow for any leftists to remain. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 16:59, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
::::::Putin's remark about Lenin's bones is, to borrow a phrase from Biden, a "cultural norm." The rest is old Mitt Romney talking points. BTW, I asked DFTT on my talk page, why do you ignore it? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:13, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
:::::::No, a cultural norm for Russia would be to adhere absolutely to the Tsar and bringing that whole thing back. It would NOT be a promotion of Lenin who if anything, as even Putin admitted, outright DESTROYED Russian Culture by creating the USSR. And considering "DFTT" means absolutely nothing to me nor does it even come up on Conservapedia's search engine, I'd suggest not bothering with it. In any case, you yourself are acting like the kind of mods you decried as being tyrannical, especially at the detriment of this site. Heck, at this point, even Conservative realized he screwed up by claiming there was no Biden Junta/Biden Putsch and removed the talk. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 18:29, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
::::::::How come you can't respect another user who politely asks, "I don't want to be trolled." ? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:33, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

::Congrats on proving my point for me again, Rob. Incidentally, the way you've been behaving in recent times toward anyone who doesn't agree with your attitude, that's exactly what could be asked of you sometimes (and BTW, even though I'm Canadian, I'm actually more pro-American than you care to admit). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 01:07, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
:::Yah but you don't vote in American elections, you're not my fellow citizen, and many of us are sick of foreigners such as yourself attempting to insert yourself into American affairs and influence American voters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:11, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
:::BTW, have you guys figured out how to amend your constitution yet without mommy and daddy holding your hand? And whatever happened to that guy who took a crap on the original constitution in the national archives? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:20, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::::Can't deal with or accept the truth, can you? I actually support Donald Trump and all he did to make America what it can be again, and supporting him and his America-first agenda is only a good thing - which [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#Civility|your incivility and snark toward me in response cannot and will not undo]]. By your reaction to that, are you implying that you actually oppose [[Donald Trump achievements|what Trump did and what America can and should be]]? And by making the threat you made to me as quoted above from your snarky edit summary in the Megan Rapinoe article, are you again implying ([https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=next&oldid=1727230 as you did last January]) that you're willing to capitulate to and collaborate with the Biden regime and sell out pro-American conservatives to do so? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 01:29, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

:::::Good. Just stay where you are. As Kamala said, "Do not come. Do not come." And stop acting like Putin & the CCP, trying to influence and shape American voter's views via the internet by pretending to be an American. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:39, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::::::And the incivility and snark from you continues (along with the projection)...

::::::And incidentally (as I said above), I don't pretend to be an American, but I'm still more pro-American than you care to admit (and more so than you're acting like right now). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 01:45, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

:::::(ec)Look, you don't see me trying to influence Canadian affairs, other than calling that idiot prime minister you have an idiot, which is hardly news since everyone knows it. Seems to me you have enough to worry about getting your own house in order before you start handing out advice to us how to run our country. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:47, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::::::I'm as opposed to Trudeau as I am to Biden (and Trudeau is as bad at leadership as Biden is and likewise has no business running a country), and perhaps advice is exactly what the Biden regime needs in how to run America (not that they'll ever take it because of their being bent, bound and determined to destroy America and all it stands for because of their hatred of it, while conversely, I'd like to see America saved and returned to how it was under Trump, who is still the legal and legitimate President regardless of what those opposed to him otherwise claim). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 01:56, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

:::::::Oh, ok. But if your going to use extremist rhetoric to incite violence, don't do it on my talk page, okay? What are you, a white supremacist? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 03:08, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::::::::Careful, Rob, what you just posted itself borders on both libel and racism itself (as well as making false accusations and resorting to trolling and - again - incivility). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 03:28, June 18, 2021 (EDT)}}

== [[Charmander]] ==
Was this created as a redirect or did it have content prior to being deleted? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 11:30, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
:It was created as a Redirect to a non-existent page. It never had any content. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:35, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
::Okay, gotcha. Thank you for letting me know. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 11:39, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

== Joe Biden's Ideology ==

:Hello Rob. I noticed that you removed White Supremacy from the infobox for Joe Biden. Why is that? Considering the fact that there is plenty of evidence which shows he is a White supremacist.[[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 12:41, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::True. But it looks like commie agitprop bait. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:45, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::Commies may appropriate the term, but the reality is that they themselves are white supremacists. [[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 19:12, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::Simple explanation: it's hard to project oneself as any kind of "supremacist" when you're a certifiable moron. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:47, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::IMO, he's not smart enough to have any ideology. He's just a money-grubbing puta. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:50, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

:::Hope it's okay if I make a comment about this, but I think "white supremacist" isn't the exact term. There is a term named "white savior," which are whites who demonize people of their own race as all being racist but regard themselves as exceptions. The "savior" part is them making themselves out to represent people of different races, and saying that non-whites cannot be successful without their support. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 15:18, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

::::While that is understandable, it was his [[white privilege]] that propelled his victory over [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/29/most-diverse-democratic-field-history-seems-poised-result-white-nominee/ "the most diverse Democratic field in history"]. It had nothing to do with his own views or merit. It was the inherent racism of the Democratic National Committee and its delegates. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:27, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

== Uploading images? ==

How does one upload images? What are the rules for uploading images? Why are there no content licenses in [[MediaWiki:Licenses]]. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 09:51, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

:Post your requests here: [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]. Images should a free license. Why there are no content licenses is either cause nobody here knows what they are doing, or MediaWiki is a lawless leftist institution and to use the term "license" in the same breathe with a lawless leftist institution is an oxymoron, I think. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 10:01, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

::[[:File:TP_Wii.jpg|This image]] is not of a free license, so would that mean it gets deleted? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 10:10, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

:::Possibly; there's no link to the original source so we can't review terms of use. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 10:12, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

::::Actually shall i apply this [[Template:Fair use|Fair use]] template? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 09:05, June 22, 2021 (EDT)

== [[Template:Bio]] ==

Is it ok if you delete [[Template:Bio]] (NOT [[Template:Bio header]] because it's still used in [[Template:PM]])? It's basically the same thing as [[Template:Infobox person]], but with fewer parameters. I replaced it on all mainspace articles, but it just needs to be removed from [[Help:List of Templates]]. I also can't mark the Bio template for speedy deletion because it is locked. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 19:58, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
:What about [https://conservapedia.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Bio_header these here?] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 20:01, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
::Those are part of [[Template:PM]]. I updated my previous comment to say that's why it should not be deleted yet. I wonder if PM can be replaced with Template:Infobox person as well. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 20:03, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
:::I unlocked the two, PM & Bio header, and canned Bio. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 20:13, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
::::Thank you, there's also [[Template:Bio2]] to get rid of. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 20:16, June 22, 2021 (EDT)

How can I upload photo I am Not getting option for it

--[[User:HamzhaSaleem|HamzhaSaleem]] ([[User talk:HamzhaSaleem|talk]]) 16:38, June 23, 2021 (EDT)
:You should make a request here: [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]. Include the link and make sure it is not copyright material. Thamks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:40, June 23, 2021 (EDT)

kindly add following image and share me link
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kashmir_News_Trust.png
:[https://conservapedia.com/File:Kashmir_News_Trust.png heere you go]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:09, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

hi please add https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Thames_Infotech.png
:[https://conservapedia.com/File:Thames_Infotech.png here]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:22, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

please add this image i am creating a tempalte https://static.miraheze.org/famepediawiki/1/10/Blue_Badge.png

:[https://conservapedia.com/File:Blue_Badge.png Done]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:22, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

Hi [[User:RobSmith]] will you please give me access to upload photos, roll back changer, and delete article option.

TIA

--[[User:HamzhaSaleem|HamzhaSaleem]] ([[User talk:HamzhaSaleem|talk]]) 13:00, June 26, 2021 (EDT)

:Only the boss, Aschlafly, can do that. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:06, June 26, 2021 (EDT)

==Archived page of https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User_talk:RobSmith/Archive_03==
[https://archive.is/PN8Lo]
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:53, June 29, 2021 (EDT)

[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User_talk:RobSmith/Archive_03#Terry_Koekritz_death_may_be_latest_attributable_to_cyber-bullying Terry_Koekritz_death_may_be_latest_attributable_to_cyber-bullying]
[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:55, June 29, 2021 (EDT)

== image add ==

hi kindly add https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rocky_Lee_MDM.png

https://en.wikialpha.org/mediawiki/images/f/f7/Pranab_Kr_Nath.jpg

--[[User:HamzhaSaleem|HamzhaSaleem]] ([[User talk:HamzhaSaleem|talk]]) 12:15, July 6, 2021 (EDT)

==Image==

Hi Rob. Please, when you get a chance uploading banner flying over Bernie's State today...

https://u.a7.org/pictures/1026/1026079.jpg
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/310600

Regards. [[User:Telling|Telling]] ([[User talk:Telling|talk]])

== Sexiest state ==

What do you think is the sexiest state ever? [[User:2010 Bentley Coupe|2010 Bentley Coupe]] ([[User talk:2010 Bentley Coupe|talk]]) 16:07, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
:I dunno. The state of intoxication? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:09, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

== Racism in China ==

:Can you upload these images of a racist museum exhibit in China[[https://www.google.com/search?q=Outrage+as+Chinese+museum%27s+%27racist%27+exhibits+compare+Africans+to+animals&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1920&bih=969&ei=nmn7YMy3McO6ggfAjr7oBQ&oq=Outrage+as+Chinese+museum%27s+%27racist%27+exhibits+compare+Africans+to+animals&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1CxElixEmDcFWgAcAB4AIABMYgBMZIBATGYAQCgAQKgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZw&sclient=img&ved=0ahUKEwjM_o2DxPrxAhVDneAKHUCHD10Q4dUDCAc&uact=5#imgrc=n9Z_2G8KxUJLRM]].[[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 21:16, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
:How are these two in the upload log? Thnx. [https://conservapedia.com/Special:Log/upload] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:48, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

::It looks good. Thanks Rob.[[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 22:05, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

::Actually the images need to be titled. Perhaps, "Racist portrayals of Africans by Chinese museum". [[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 22:17, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

:::You mean like a page move? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:19, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

I wish there was a way to stack those images rather than [https://conservapedia.com/Anthony_Fauci#Zuckerbucks side-by-side like here], but it probably requires a new Template. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:18, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

:That video presented a lot of problems, what Biden calls, "cultural norms". A written commentary on it, however, could be used. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:05, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
::Maybe eventually I can try to create an image thumbnail-mimicking template that stacks side-by-side rather than vertically, with all other aspects maintained. The problem is that I don't understand enough HTML functions, and it would take extensive examination of the source code for normal image thumbnails in addition to plenty of testing. There's already a problem with [[Template:Image Thumbnail left]] and [[Template:Image Thumbnail right]] (which were for the purpose of being able to use images at larger sizes than their uploaded size while in a "thumbnail") that results, and I believe it's because I tried to perfectly replicate with a <code><nowiki><div class=""></div></nowiki></code> / <code><nowiki><div style=""></div></nowiki></code> style code with a table, which ultimately doesn't work well in all situations due to different specific features. And that's just a generic explanation based on my current knowledge. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Tuesday, 22:24, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

== image add ==

Hi please add this image [https://en.wikialpha.org/mediawiki/images/a/a2/Masrur_alam_mandal.jpg]
:[https://conservapedia.com/File:Masrur_alam_mandal.jpg Done]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 02:11, August 2, 2021 (EDT)

== [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] ==

Want to make "New Pages" lowercase as "New pages" (just to be consistent with the capitalization of the other common noun words in the sidebar list)? [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 13:41, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
:Yah. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 02:42, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
::I haven't seen changes take effect yet. [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 08:37, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

== [[Kirby's Dream Land 2]] ==
Is it ok if you undelete this video game article too? I forgot to request it -- thank you [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 08:37, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

== Files for deletion ==

Mind deleting:

*[[:File:Flag of Colombia.jpg]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Colombia.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Flag of the Comoros.jpg]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of the Comoros.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Flag of Hungary.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Hungary.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Flag of Luxembourg.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Luxembourg.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Flag of Monaco.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Monaco.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Medal Law.jpg]] and [[:File:Medal Music.jpg]] (MS Paint-like pictures that probably don't have a practical use)
*[[:File:Maine State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Maine.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Georgia State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of State of Georgia.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Arizona State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Arizona.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Pennsylvania State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Pennsylvania.png|this file]])
*[[:File:South Carolina State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of South Carolina.png|this file]])
*[[:File:North Carolina State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of North Carolina.png|this file]])
*[[:File:New Jersey State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of New Jersey.png|this file]])
*[[:File:11121.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Virginia.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Rhode Island State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Rhode Island.png|this file]])
[[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 13:16, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

:Hey, thanks. What a mess, huh? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:28, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

::Yeah I've noticed quite a bit of things needing cleanup around the wiki, including duplicate/low quality unused files. There's more state flags that I haven't listed yet. you forgot to delete [[:File:Medal Music.jpg]] btw [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 16:42, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

:::Thanks for your help, it's much appreciated. That Categorization scheme is all screwed up, so it's difficult to even round up what needs to be deleted. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:46, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

::::Yeah, and I have to ask administrators about some of these because some are admin-protected so therefore cannot be tagged. I'll try and see if I can find more [[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 16:49, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

::::My guess is 11k of 22k Files are uncategorized. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:51, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

Here's some more:

*[[:File:DC flag.jpg]] (duplicate of [[:File:DC flag.GIF|this file]])
*[[:File:2628589070 30f1d23517.jpg]] (doesn't appear to serve any practical purpose)
*[[:File:Capital.jpg]] (file redirect with no links to it)
*[[:File:Vermont State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Vermont.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Wyoming State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Wyoming.png|this file]])
*[[:File:Tennessee State Flag.gif]] (duplicate of [[:File:Flag of Tennessee.png|this file]])

[[User:Patriotic Gamer|Patriotic Gamer]] ([[User talk:Patriotic Gamer|talk]]) 17:06, August 10, 2021 (EDT)
:A couple of those still link to pages. 18:41, August 10, 2021 (EDT)

== Deleting short articles ==

Personally, I don't see any harm in short stubs: CP could work at least as a kind of dictionary. But I suppose it is a matter of taste.
Just a request: could you check "what links here" before deleting a page? Thanks! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 09:24, August 11, 2021 (EDT)

Conservapedia insights

2021-08-11T08:36:52Z

AugustO: There is still some "reasonable doubt" out there - see User talk:Aschlafly#Conservapedia Insights

This is a growing list of '''Conservapedia insights''', which includes items recognized or emphasized here well before recognition by an official agency, by [[liberals]], or by the general public:


#There have been 91 (and growing) controversial predictions by Conservapedia which have proven to be true. ''See [[Conservapedia proven right]]''.
#Conservapedia observed the likelihood that [[Jesus]] wrote the [[Epistle to the Hebrews]] -- ''see'' [[Mystery:Did Jesus Write the Epistle to the Hebrews?]]
#Conservapedia observed that "[[Son of Man]]" is a [[liberal]] mistranslation to downplay the divinity of [[Jesus]], and that a stronger, more precise translation would be "The Son as Man" or "The Son, a Man."
#Conservapedia was the first to observe that the number of new conservative terms [[Essay:Best New Conservative Words|doubles by century]]. This ensures that the future is always increasingly [[conservative]], despite [[liberal bias]]. ''See also'' [[Essay:Conservapedia's Law|Conservapedia Law]], which states that the number of conservative insights increases over time at a geometric rate.
#Conservapedia has long observed the implausibility of, and inconsistency in, [[Barack Obama]]'s claims to have converted to Christianity. On September 7, 2008, Obama referred to his "Muslim faith" in a nationally televised interview.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zQK_EhDhZQ][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I]
#Conservapedia developed and sent a [[Letter to PNAS]] that identified five (5) specific flaws to a paper it published by [[Richard Lenski]] and others. The Lenski paper had been in [[peer review]] for no more than a mere 14 days prior to its publication by PNAS. More than a month after the flaws was publicly posted on Conservapedia, there was still no adequate explanation of the flaws, or corrections made. The [[Letter to PNAS]] was officially accepted by PNAS's electronic submission system in a form substantially similar to its presentation here.
#Conservapedia has long observed that girls are injured in sports at much higher rates than boys, and how [[liberals]] denial or downplay it.<ref>''See, e.g.'', point #6 in [[liberal denial]], under "more generally."</ref> Finally, on May 11, 2008, the [[New York Times]] recognized this fact by finally admitting that a girl's soccer team "with 18 players, had suffered eight A.C.L. tears — eight — during her high-school years. ... The rate of concussions sustained by high school girls who play soccer is 1.5 times the rate for boys who play soccer."<ref>https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/magazine/11Girls-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin</ref>
#On Jan. 27, 2008, Conservapedia criticized [[Harvard]]'s decision to have [[J.K. Rowling]] as its commencement speaker shortly after she catered to the [[homosexual]] agenda.<ref>See [[Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/January 2008#January_27|Our Archives]]</ref> Over three months later and as the commencement day approached, the Harvard newspaper (the "Crimson") published a similar criticism: "A petty pop culture personality of questionable permanence will send us on our merry way, while figures of real substance wait in the wings."<ref name="jk">http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/JK-Rowling-to-speak-at.4049866.jp</ref> "Our commencement speaker tricked parents into letting their kids read books filled with sex, murder, and homosexual role models."<ref name="jk" />
#Conservapedia first recognized the [[liberal]] push for an [[Affirmative Action President]]. On Feb. 4, 2008, ten days after this entry appeared here, Michael Savage commented that, if elected, [[Barack Obama]] will be the first Affirmative Action President, as he has such a small amount of political (or military) experience.<ref>For example, popular radio commentator [[Michael Savage]] observed, "We have a woman and a multi-ethnic man running for office on the Democrat side. Is this not akin to a -- an affirmative action election? Isn't that why the libs are hysterical, tripping over themselves to say amen and yes to this affirmative election vote?" Savage added, "America's not ready for an affirmative action presidency." [http://mediamatters.org/items/200802040008]</ref> On March 10, 2008, an article is posted on myMaineToday.com entitled, "Are We Ready For An Affirmative Action President?"<ref>http://my.mainetoday.com/story.html?ID=2110</ref> On March 11, 2008, John Harwood published an article on CNBC's website entitled, "Obama: Affirmative Action Candidate?!"<ref>https://www.cnbc.com/id/23579121/</ref> On March 12, 2008, Joseph Farah, founder of Worldnetdaily.com, published a column entitled, "The affirmative-action president."<ref>https://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=58632</ref>
#Conservapedia first recognized the remarkably high correlation between Hollywood figures and plight of breast cancer at a young age, which suggests that their lifestyle plays a role in increasing the likelihood of that tragic disease.<ref>[[Mystery:Young Hollywood Breast Cancer Victims‎]].</ref>
#Conservapedia has noted that the theory of relativity [[Counterexamples to Relativity|cannot possibly be true]], and has exposed that the theory is highly advocated by liberals who use it to promote moral relativism. In particular, Conservapedia has noted several passages from the Bible that are at odds with relativity, like John 4:46-54.
#Conservapedia has discovered new instances of [[Biblical scientific foreknowledge]]. Not all the entries are Conservapedia originals, but some of them are. Examples include several cases of quantum mechanical knowledge in the Bible: the transformation of water into wine by Jesus may imply that the drink was in a superposition of water state and wine state, and the fact that Jesus appeared before his Apostles in a completely closed room in John 20:26 may be foreshadowing quantum tunnelling.
#Conservapedia has noted that the English language has been progressively [[Secularized Language|secularized]] by liberals, homosexuals, atheists, evolutiionists and leftists, in an attempt to remove the Christian origins of our language. This secularization is actively supported by the [[lamestream media]].
#The more [[liberal]]s/[[Leftism|leftists]] bellyache about a [[conservative]] article, the better it is. The dog that yelps the loudest is the one that got hit by a stone (Similarly, the cat that yelps the loudest is the one that got hit by a shoe). Likewise, when bomber planes are directly over a target that is when they get the most flack.

== References ==

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[[Category:Conservapedia]]

Conservapedia talk:How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia

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AugustO: /* Templates/infoboxes */

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== Additions ==

Great additions, Ed! --~ [[User:TK|TK]] [[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]] 22:46, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

==British English==

'''NO LONGER BANNED'''

We non US English speakers now have freedom to speak
:Freedom! Freedom! --[[User:Faizaguo|Faizaguo]] 12:35, 18 June 2008 (EDT)

==General questions==
I think you meant authoritative support, but I won't correct it, it's your doc. So are you still going to say your site is neutral?--[[User:AmesG|AmesG]] 17:29, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

: Good point. Thanks. I corrected it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:37, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

==Authoritative Source==
I would really like to know more about this "authoritative" source. What counts as "journalist opinion" vs. "reporting of facts" this is particularly important in regards to issues being raised at on this [http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia_Talk#Quality_of_References talk page]. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 17:34, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

: A big flaw in Wikipedia's system is that it treats journalist's opinions as authorities. They aren't. In a court of law, such attempts would be laughable.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:37, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
:: Does this mean that Creationwiki is not considered authoritative? --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 17:38, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

:: So if an article written by a journalist is quoted and its merely reporting events "such and such happened" "this was said by this person" then the source is fine? [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 17:39, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

::: Sure, that's fine. But Wikipedia improperly converts a journalist's biased opinion into a factual assertion.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:06, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

::::Its not so much that "''Wikipedia''" ''improperly converts a journalist's biased opinion into a factual assertion'' but that a particular ''editor'' did. That could happen here too. Such edits remain until another ''editor'' changes them. The more popular the article the quicker questionable edits are likely to be changed.
::::[[User:WhatIsG0ing0n|WhatIsG0ing0n]] 04:14, 4 April 2007 (EDT)

==Original research==
Point 5 should be clarified so that it doesn't clash with "always cite sources" and "must be true and verifiable". Original Research can get out of hand very quickly, I think. --[[User:Sid 3050|Sid 3050]] 17:46, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

:Correct, in the hands of a responsible editor original research can add synthesis of ideas that would otherwise be impossible to include, and can be valuable. The reason it is shunned on Wikipedia though is that you wind up getting every crank out there with a new "unified theory of everything" or a high school algebraic solution to Fermat's Last Theorm that is being repressed by the establishment claiming a right to publish it here. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 17:48, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

::My issue exactly. I'm not THAT much of a fan of the OR rule myself, but I can understand why it's there and thus support it in general. --[[User:Sid 3050|Sid 3050]] 17:50, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

::: Original work can be labeled as such. There is no reason for Wikipedia to censor it, except to enforce its liberal view of the world.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:07, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

::::So if I come up with my own theory of how the universe was created, I could post it here as OR without the need to cite any sources? And the admins won't be allowed to delete it, although it shows a complete lack of backing by anybody? ...thank you. :D --[[User:Sid 3050|Sid 3050]] 18:19, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

:::: I don't know Mr. Schlafly, as I said I can see the value of original works to a certain extent, but as more and more of the [[George Hammond]]'s of the world find this site you may be innudated with original research that is nothing but a detractor and a nuisance. There are many, many individuals on the internet with all kinds of crazy ideas and all of them would love a place to post them where they will get views. The questions becomes do you want your site to be a repository for all the crazy theories of the internet? If not there needs to be some sort of qualification, restriction or clarification. However, that being said we are not at the moment being innudated with such entries. This policy may work for now, its just something to keep in mind. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 18:20, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

::::: If properly labeled, then I don't see a problem. We'll see. Wikipedia allows hundreds of thousands of entries of pure junk, such as terms invented for rap songs. Wikipedia's complete ban on original work seems a bit contrived and limiting to me. We shouldn't be stuck in the past and act like nothing new is good.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:32, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

While I agree that some original work should be allowed, letting any and all OR into Conservapedia articles would create a terrible mess. Somebody could come and claim "Moses and Jesus fought a boxing match in heaven", and nobody would be able to argue. Perhaps we should merely allow inflections and commentary, based off of what can be gathered in a source? Wikipedia doesn't allow this. --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 18:35, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

: The presentation of new ideas is perfectly acceptable, but a freely editable encyclopedia is not the correct venue for this. Protecting your ownership of these original ideas is very difficult when both the statement of the idea and developer of it can be changed by anyone with a free account. Additionally, users shouldn't be given the perception that new ideas are widely accepted, when in most cases they are not accepted until they are no longer considered 'new'. --[[User:Charliemc86|Charliemc86]] 17:37, 21 March 2007 (CST)

:Such commentary might border on opinions and unencyclopedic language, though. (Funny thing is that Conservapedia doesn't even ''have'' a rule about encyclopedic tone...) Or will we allow "49.9% of the population" to be changed to "less than half the population" and "50.1%" to "the majority"? It's certainly not wrong, but it's also not what an encyclopedic article would write (Disclaimer: I'm not 100% familiar with Wiki rules, but I think I recall a rule about using exact terms and numbers if possible.). I think Conservapedia has enough issues with being taken seriously already. --[[User:Sid 3050|Sid 3050]] 18:47, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

::The very existence of Conservapedia is a joke. People who disband from a freely editable encyclopedia because they believe it is biased simply don't wish to have their statements checked by people with opposing viewpoints. You're right that people aren't taking it seriously, but I doubt minor changes to the rules will make people overlook that constant, unfounded criticism of Wikipedia that runs rampant in so many articles here. --[[User:Charliemc86|Charliemc86]] 18:01, 21 March 2007 (CST)
:::(chuckles) I agree with you, but I still think that it may have a chance of becoming a bit... more accepted (as more than a source of endless entertainment at least =P). Thus, I support "minor" changes to the rules when they have the potential of making a difference in the way people apply them.
:::Broadly allowing all forms of OR can lead to chaos, and a change of the rules later on is tied to much clean-up work. If the rule stays, then there should at least be some clarification, for example in the form Hojimachong suggested. --[[User:Sid 3050|Sid 3050]] 19:07, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

==Gossip==

Point 1 is baseless criticism of Wikipedia. The statement "We do not allow gossip, just as a real encyclopedia avoids it" implies that Wikipedia allows gossip, which it does not. I propose that this difference be removed from the list. --[[User:Charliemc86|Charliemc86]] 17:01, 21 March 2007 (CST)

: You can't be serious. Are you? Numerous entries in Wikipedia have gossip that would never appear in a real encyclopedia. We have several examples in [[Bias in Wikipedia]] but that is only the tip of the iceberg.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:04, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

:: I'm not here to dispute the fact that gossip exists on Wikipedia. The differences page implies that it is allowed or encouraged, which it is not. A careful reading of the rules for editing on Wikipedia clearly excludes gossip from the set of valid information sources. --[[User:Charliemc86|Charliemc86]] 17:12, 21 March 2007 (CST)

::: Which Wikipedia rule forbids gossip??? Show me and let's enforce it against what, about 100,000 entries there?--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:18, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

:::: Wikipedia refers to it as NPOV (Neutral Point of View). The full explanation of where and when opinions (including gossip/second-hand opinions) may be used is located here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV_tutorial] --[[User:Charliemc86|Charliemc86]] 17:24, 21 March 2007 (CST)

::::: OK, I went to your link and searched on the word "gossip". It doesn't appear. '''Wikipedia has no rule against gossip'''. Gossip is pervasive on Wikipedia.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:26, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
::::::You have to dig a little bit further into the policies to see it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Reliable_sources stated] - "Not all widely read newspapers and magazines are equally reliable. There are some magazines and newspapers that print gossip much of which is false. While such information may be titillating, that does not mean it has a place here." --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 18:29, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

:::::: A simple text search for the word gossip returns no hits, however gossip fits into the larger category of opinion. The citation of opinions on Wikipedia is permitted, but under specific guidelines. Show just one of these 100,000 entries that use gossip and cite it as fact, and I'll find five pages that enforced this regulation. --[[User:Charliemc86|Charliemc86]] 17:29, 21 March 2007 (CST)

:::: Gossip is different from "opinion". Come on, let's not pretend that we don't know what gossip is. The "fact" that John Tower's ex-wife refused to accept flowers from him as she was dying in the hospital is gossip. Wikipedia allows it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:34, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

::::: That statement doesn't appear on Wikipedia. Not all opinions are gossip, but gossip is wholly contained in the realm of opinion. --[[User:Charliemc86|Charliemc86]] 17:40, 21 March 2007 (CST)

:::: Really, has Wikipedia deleted it? If so, then it was only after criticism here. Check out the entry on Bertrand Russell on Wikipedia and more gossip greets the reader. It's pervasive. By the way, facts often qualify as gossip, so your definition is not correct.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:46, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

::::: Don't you think you're giving yourself a little bit too much credit there? You make it sound as if all of Wikipedia scans your massively important list for things to correct. The probability of somebody reading your list and then editing it is quite small, compared to people getting to the page through other ways and editing it in the normal Wiki process. --[[User:Sid 3050|Sid 3050]] 18:50, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

:::::: Criticizing a 1.5 million-page wiki based on a few of its worst pages isn't fair, especially when they clearly go against the wiki's policy. (much like Wikipedia's article on Conservapedia isn't really fair for picking out a few of the worst articles here, articles that are likely to be improved up within a few weeks or months) --[[User:Interiot|Interiot]] 20:44, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

:Andy, you've given examples of gossip, but if we could come up with an actual definition to follow, that would be helpful. Gossip is in the eye of the beholder.[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 18:27, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

My suggestion is this: '''Personal websites may not be used as an article's reference.''' If we put that into force we will save ourselves enormous amounts of difficulty. Gossip is always personal opinion. Personal websites abound in gossip. And, it is often presented as part of a larger page that has some attention getting element. An example is in the [[Scientology]] article where Andreas Heldal-Lund's personal site, xenu.net is cited [http://www.xenu.net/archive/audit/latey.html] for his hand typed representation of a court document. But also appearing on the page are his evaluations and criticisms and bias about the court document and surrounding issues. [[User:Terryeo|Terryeo]] 18:44, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

:For further exposition on "personal websites" interested editors should review this [http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia_Talk#Quality_of_References discussion]. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 19:34, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
Aschlafly, your definition of gossip seems to be information that sheds negative light on a person or idea that you support. Please correct me with an explicit definition? --[[User:Charliemc86|Charliemc86]] 17:50, 21 March 2007 (CST)

::Isn't saying that wikipedia deleted something because of your criticism a form of gossip? What proof do you have that it was your criticism that caused the edit? Wikipedia is under constant ''internal'' scrutiny from a large population of editors. [[User:Myk|Myk]] 18:56, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
:::I think the only instance when a Wiki edit was actually (quasi-)proven to originate here was the issue of "elementary proof" or whatever the name was. And that was a case of "...well, you could've created the entry yourself in the time you spent writing the criticism". --[[User:Sid 3050|Sid 3050]] 19:00, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Not to mention Wikipedia actively discourages anything like [[debate topics]], let alone links to it from the sidebar. Gossip indeed. --[[User:Interiot|Interiot]] 20:44, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

:: Folks, I'm not going to debate the pervasive gossip in Wikipedia with you further. At the rate you're going, you might also claim the National Enquirer doesn't have gossip! Actually, I suppose its employees might claim that. If you think Wikipedia is free of gossip, then so be it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 20:50, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Gossip is a very vague word, what is one (wo)man's gossip is another's hard facts! So before the term "gossip" gets thrown about too much we ought to have a concrete definition of it. [[User:Mathmo|Mathmo]] 01:09, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

I asked above for a definition of gossip so that the rules can be followed clearly. I have no interest in debating Wikipedia...it's irrelevant. But, I would like a definition of gossip if it is going to stay a commandment. [[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 16:30, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

==Bias==

''7. We do not allow liberal censorship of conservative facts...'' - Do you allow conservative censorship of liberal facts? This isn't clear. --[[User:JamesK|JamesK]] 18:04, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

: No, we don't.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:05, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

::Thanks, I think that should be explicitly stated then. --[[User:JamesK|JamesK]] 18:14, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

:::Conservative facts? What is that supposed to mean? Sounds like some kind of hippy, commie relativism to me! Facts are facts. --[[User:Zerba|Zerba]] 12:32, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

: Yes JamesK. Conservative censorship is allowed, as evidenced by this page: [[Alger Hiss]]. The fact that the accuracy of the released Soviet documents is disputed, and that a key FBI witness committed perjury while testifying that a typewriter cannot be used for forgery is completely ignored in this account. --[[User:Charliemc86|Charliemc86]] 17:09, 21 March 2007 (CST)
:: this is all sour grapes from a disgruntled former editor of wikipedia. it is not to be taken seriously. Ashlafly is simply a member of the radical right disguising himself, albeit poorly, as a conservative. Do not take him seriously. He is baised against anythnig that doesn't support his ideosyncratic agenda. 20:24, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

"Conservative facts? What is that supposed to mean?" I agree, what does it mean? How can a fact be of different political alignments? You can check it the [[Wiktionary:fact|definition]]. --[[User:Trekie9001|trekie9001]] 16:06, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
: They're ''special'' facts. Y'know, the ones that are so obviously true, they don't even need citations. [[User:Wikinterpreter|Wikinterpreter]]

::You mean the ones that exhibit ''truthiness''? [[User:Daphnea|Daphnea]] 16:40, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

== Neutral? Censorship? ==

''"3. We do not allow obscenity, while Wikipedia has many entries unsuitable for children. "''

This point conflicts with point one... A real encyclopedia doesn't avoid issues that may be considered "unsuitable". One example is [[Intercourse|Sex]]. One of the oldest and most respected encyclopaedias out there, Encyclopædia Britannica, has a page on [http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9067000/sexual-intercourse|Sexual Intercourse]. What's wrong with a scientific article on something completely natural, something which is very much involved with Christianity? I really cannot understand.

I shall return. [[User:O2mcgovem|O2mcgovem]] 19:39, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

:That is a very good point. The fact that the sex article has been censored on this site is a bit odd. There is no need to get into the depth that Wikipedia goes into about human sexualit, sex positions, etc. But some acknowledgment or treatment of the way that nearly all multi-cellular organisms come to be seems to be something that shoudl be included in anything claiming to be "encyclopedic".--[[User:Zerba|Zerba]] 12:36, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

== items 1,4 and 7 seem to be mutally exclusive ==

and are not applied to actual pages. if we're going to state these rules they should ve consistent and supportable. [[User:Godman|Godman]] 20:19, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
* I assume 7 is referring to Andrew's lectures ([[Economics Lectures]], [[World History Lectures]])? If so, perhaps Conservapedia may eventually have something like Wikinews' [http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Original_reporting original reporting] policy, which allows original work, as long as it's labeled as being authored by an identifiable person. (and Wikinews' policy would make point 7 invalid as well) --[[User:Interiot|Interiot]] 21:13, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
:: it would lend much needed credibility to this project if editorials and opinion were labeled as such. As it is it smacks of intellectual dishonesty. not that it seems to matter here, as intellectual seems to be a bad word. [[User:Godman|Godman]] 23:54, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

==Name Change==
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to call it "Differences from wikipedia" or "How Conservapedia is different from Wikipedia"? "Differences with wikipedia" sounds awkward. If you want to take a good idea from wikipedia, you might make a "What conservapedia is not" page.[[User:IMFromKathlene|IMFromKathlene]] 01:43, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

== Neutral to the facts? ==

What facts are these that justify a daily bible comment on the front page?

Honestly, I have no problem with the Bible quote. It has nothing to do with any controversy about facts. It is simply a quotation that the founders of this site wish to share.[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 18:35, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

:Surely what or what isn't a ''[[Terrorism|terrorist group]]'' group depends on the definintion used and the perspective of the definer.
::''If a group is a terrorist group, then the label "terrorist" is used here but not on Wikipedia.''
:What definition is being used here - and wouldn't that be an opinion likely to controvene no. 2?
:Admittedly that only states that the ''opinions of journalists'' are unacceptable. Are other opinions acceptable? Though I can only assume they are also subject to ''authoritative support''. Who is the authority on what or what isn't a ''terrorist group''? It there also an authority on [[fact]]s?
:A real encyclopedia would [[Conservapedia:Attribution|attribute]] claims that a particular group is terrorist to those doing the claiming?
:[[User:WhatIsG0ing0n|WhatIsG0ing0n]] 10:51, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

== Restrictions ==

5. We have less restrictions on the reuse of our material than Wikipedia does.

In what way? how? This means nothing on it's own. --[[User:Cgday|Cgday]] 11:27, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
:: Users here have been unable to grasp wikipedia's copyright, so they've determined it is 'cumbersome' whereas conservapedia's apparent founder has said something like "anybody can copy our stuff until we object" . . . it's pretty clear, given the dishonest and unacademic tone of the rest of this site, how that should be parsed. More evidence that this site is a platform for radicals and zealots, dishonest ones at that, rather than actual conservatives or, heaven help us, Christians. I more than half suspect this site is some sort of joke intended to make average good hearted Christian-Americans look like fascists and nut-cases. But perhaps thats just because it is apparently run by misguided high school students.[[User:Godman|Godman]] 18:01, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

== Copyright differences ==

The page currently reads "By entering information on Wikipedia you are actually losing rights to your own material, and cannot copy your own material elsewhere without complying with Wikipedia's burdensome copyright restrictions." That's incorrect... Wikipedia contributors are required to license their contributions under the GFDL, but under the law, the contributor still owns the copyright to the work* and may license the contribution under other additional licenses. Wikipedia even encourages this sometimes. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Granting_work_into_the_public_domain#Advice_for_users_of_our_content]

GFDL is just a normal license that is used outside of Wikipedia, and it has no clauses akin to "transfer the copyright ownership to the site I post it on". I can write a poem by myself, license it under the GFDL, and post it on Geocities, but I'm still the copyright holder. Same goes with Wikipedia --[[User:Interiot|Interiot]] 12:49, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

: I've clarified point one, and responded on [[Conservapedia talk:Copyright]]. Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 14:35, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

:: Thank you very much, the factual bits are correct now at least. And there are a number of people who criticize copyleft licenses for being [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft#Is_copyleft_.22viral.22.3F "viral"], so that sentiment isn't too far out of the mainstream (though I think personally think there are good reasons for some of the restrictions... it ensures that the community, rather than Jimbo or the Wikimedia Foundation, will forever own and control the content... there have been [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDDB#History unfortunate incidents] in the past where a community contributes under the belief that their work will always be freely available, but it's later closed off and used only for commercial gain). --[[User:Interiot|Interiot]] 19:18, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

== stubs ==

''12. We do not encourage the insertion of distracting "stubs" in entries. Wikipedia has numerous distracting stubs on entries.''

In Wikipedia, a "stub" is a short article, like a [[Conservapedia:Very Short Article]]. In fact Conservapedia has a template called <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki> that puts a large box at the top of the article noting that it is a Very Short Article and placing it in [[:Category:Articles needing major improvement]]. This category is still manageable here with less than 1000 articles in it. As Wikipedia is so much larger, the stub categories are further divided so that editors can find stub articles they have the interest or knowledge to expand. Wikipedia stub tags are a line or two of italic text at the bottom of an article (often with a small image next to them), less visually intrusive than the large blue box at the top of articles here.

This point should be either deleted or clarified to explain what difference is actually highlighted. Perhaps "Short Wikipedia articles are called "stubs" and are marked at the bottom of the article, short Conservapedia articles are called "VSAs" and are marked by a blue box at the top. Both markings invite readers to extend the article." --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 00:39, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

*As you might have been noticing, there is more of a push on here to discourage their placement, in favor of short, factual and concise entries, over verbose and lenghty ones. Templates are most certainly not encouraged here, and when found on questionable articles, removed. I actually see the ability to place templates on articles restricted here, to Sysop's and above soon. --~ [[User:TK|TK]] [[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]] 00:43, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Wikipedia places stubs on almost anything that is short. But concise entries are ''better'' than the wordy, overly verbose entries that dominate Wikipedia. it seems that a high percentage of entries on Wikipedia have "stubs" placed on them. Who wants to be distracted by that? It's silly and, as TK says, we don't want them here.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 01:03, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Stub articles can serve a legitimate purpose if there are very few of them, to alert us of the real problems (i.e. when Germany was one paragraph long). I suspect that was the original intent. Obviously, this isn't happening. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 01:04, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

: I take the stub notices out whenever I see them now, unless truly deserved. Also, let's warn and, if necessary, block editors who are inserting lots of stub notices. Thanks and a good Easter to you, MountainDew!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 01:22, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

::How about this? "12. Short Wikipedia articles are called "stubs" and are marked at the bottom of the article, very short Conservapedia articles are called "VSAs" and are marked by a blue box at the top, but these markings are discouraged. Both markings invite readers to extend the article, however a typical "complete" Conservapedia article is generally much shorter than a "complete" Wikipedia article." --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 01:58, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

*I'm not that long out of College to remember what a pain it was, those overly long, verbose entries, when trying to fact-check, and research! Scott, I agree, we could site the two examples, and play-up our penchant for ''concise'' over wordy articles, for the sake of wordiness. --~ [[User:TK|TK]] [[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]] 02:04, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

**Neither website (nor a paper encyclopaedia) is an appropriate source for tertiary-level research. Most of Wikipedia's Good and Featured articles have extensive reference lists which might be useful, but you're still relying on someone else's literature search with no idea if it's complete. Wikipedia tends to cite online and free (as in beer) articles rather than paper or paid sources as they are more accessible to the majority of editors. That is also a bias problem for serious research, and I haven't noticed a significant difference in that area at Conservapedia, which in general has a lot less references. World Book Encyclopaedia's short/concise articles give a quick and simple overview. Encyclopaedia Britannica has longer articles that give a fair amount of detail, like Wikipedia. True research means go and find your own sources. (Disclaimer: I graduated before the Internet existed). Should we have a guideline here that articles are aimed for the attention span and reading level of a 12-year old (i.e. like World Book)? --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 02:28, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

*That is kind of snobbish, no? --~ [[User:TK|TK]] [[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]] 03:10, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

**My last sentence? Possibly, but Aschlafly can move the number up or down, a guideline like that would help to clarify vague terms like "concise", "family-friendly" etc. The problem with Conservapedia is that it is trying to be too many things - an alternative to Wikipedia that presents items from a conservative POV instead of a Neutral POV should aim to carry informative and deep articles on the main items where conservatives differ from both liberals and moderates. However many of these articles are censored or hijacked due to the second goal of being a family-friendly and safe resource for home-schooled children. This goal is hard because family-friendly for an eight-year-old is different to family-friendly for a sixteen-year old. Articles on subjects like sex and families need to present different stuff, or at least one group will be looking elsewhere for information. The latest idea is that Conservapedia might be a [[think tank]]. Yet another goal, with yet another set of competing criteria to do it well. If these three or four goals were in separate websites or separate namespaces each linked from the front page, editors and readers could choose which they want to be involved in, and perhaps some of the complaints about sysop control would be addressed by people recognising different rules in different spaces. --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 05:41, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

I think "distracting stubs" meant that placing the {{tl|stub}} template was presenting a distraction. Both Mr. Schafly and [[User:Conservative]] IIRC have criticized its application. No one is objecting to well-written articles that simply happen to be short.
*A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts. This requires not that the writer make all his sentences short, or that he avoid all detail and treat his subjects only in outline, but that every word tell. [William Strunk, Jr.] http://web.clas.ufl.edu/users/rhatch/pages/02-TeachingResources/readingwriting/05c-essy.htm

Wikipedia suffers from stylistic strictures. It has a prejudice against concise writing and favors "blather" over cohesion. All articles must be created by a process of accretion, as if 100 monkeys at a typewriter could eventually produce the works of Shakespeare. (MUST I point out this use of [[hyperbole]]? That link being a red one, I guess I must. ;-)

At some future date, I may write an article on [[military communications]] which will expose the weaknesses of traditional [[command and control]] ideas, based on the insights of retired Marine Corps General [[Paul van Riper]]. Here's a taste:
*"We would not get caught up in any of these mechanistic processes. We would use the wisdom, the experience, and the good judgment of the people we had." (Page 118 of [[Malcolm Gladwell]]'s ''[[blink]]''.)

Van Riper's Red Team beat the Pentagon's best and brightest in a military exercise called the [[Millennium Challenge]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 07:11, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

::Ed, I suspect you are right what is ''intended'' by point 12. It is not what it ''says''. I have made two attempts in this talk page section to propose rephrased sentences that I think say what is meant. I'm not allowed to edit the actual page, so can only discuss proposed changes here, leading to interesting tangents if no sysop actually picks up the changes quickly. The "wiki way" (not just Wikipedia) is that I would make a change, and others would improve it in the page itself and eventually we would reach an improved consensus. --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 07:27, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

::#I didn't write item #12.
::#You can ask the protecting sysop to unprotect the article. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 07:32, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

*Scott, I don't think the site owners care about the "wiki way" very much, neither do I, for a Conservapedia, that gives full credit to Conservative values, and Christian thinking. Consensus reached with those who don't think too highly of non-PC thoughts, and Conservative values isn't consensus, but watering down, IMO. How could it be otherwise? --~ [[User:TK|TK]] [[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]] 07:34, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

::This is verging away from stubs and into a discussion of the relative merits of [[conservatism]] and [[liberalism]]. Continuing on this tangent, I will agree with Terry and run the ball a bit further.

::Conservatives want to preserve what is good, i.e., what we already have. This doesn't mean their minds are closed to new ideas which are also good. We're not sending letters by pony express here but using a [[wiki]] on the [[Internet]]. Just because Al Gore invented it, doesn't mean it's evil <wink>.

::I just think that C's are less close-minded than L's. Read ''[[Closing of the American Mind]]'' for a lengthy essay which argues that liberal "open-mindedness" actually leads to mental impoverishment and destruction. Do Liberals consciously desire poverty and chaos? Hardly. But the problem remains unsolved. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 08:27, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

:::[[User:Aschlafly|The protecting sysop]] has responded in this thread, but did not change the article, or unprotect it. This appears to be the usual Conservapedia attitude to "...preserve what is good, i.e., what we already have." At least I haven't been reverted for deleting information about Tanzania from [[Tonga]] or Laos from [[Fiji]]. --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 09:44, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

*Tonga? Laos? *head is spinning --~ [[User:TK|TK]] [[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]] 12:19, 9 April 2007 (EDT)
**A couple of editors a month ago appear to have had a ''very'' spotty understanding of world geography, and got several countries mixed up. I removed material from articles it was not about. --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 18:51, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

: Scott, I'm not sure what you want me to respond to. We discourage defacing concise articles here with ugly "stub" banners. Here we encourage conciseness. At Wikipedia, the culture seems to think more words are better. Not so.

: Also, we favor concise rules. We're not going to have thousands and thousands of words about rules here. God covered all of life with Ten Commandments, and many of them were just a few words long. We're going to have fewer here. If you like bureaucracy, then you might prefer Wikipedia.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 12:26, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

::Ed has now corrected the most obvious problem with the point - thanks. The issue appeared to be a misunderstanding of Wikipedia. The new version is close enough I wouldn't have commented. I have no problem with conciseness, but short-and-wrong is not as good as long-enough-and-right. I continue to contribute to Wikipedia as well, and do not come here with the chip on my shoulder that everything about Wikipedia is wrong, unlike some people here. If we are to criticise Wikipedia, the criticism should be fair and true. Both stubs and VSAs allow a project to extend its breadth quickly, and hopefully others will come behind to increase the depth of coverage. --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 18:51, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

== User names? ==

Yep, names like "Conservative", "CoulterMan", etc., aren't ''at all'' like those mentioned. Are you guys aware that "Nearly Headless Nick" is the name of a character from a book? --[[User:Hacker|Hacker]]<code>([[User talk:Hacker|Write some code]])</code> 14:00, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
:I'd shy away from bashing user names, if you want a lot of creative people coming in to edit you're bound to get creative user names. Also, the fact that we have a user who goes by the name of [[User:MountainDew| MountainDew]], (which, at best, is a euphemism of illicit neutral grain spirit and at worst a trademark violation) who is not an ordinary registered user but a sysop, would be like shooting a gun with a "U" shaped barrel. MOO [[User:Rob Pommer| Cracker]][[User_talk:Rob_Pommer|talk]] 14:26, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
No offense, but your name is a racial slur. I don't think you have any room to complain about my name. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 16:03, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
:Ahem? Is it now too offensive to enjoy saltine crackers, or similary culinary treats? --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 16:05, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
Well, he's accusing my name of being a reference to moonshine, so that's just as logical. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 16:06, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
:Mountain Dew is right; this has been just one more of an army of provocateurs. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:08, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

:*Hacker, please refrain, as you know I will do something about it, starting with those whose name is the very epitome of vandalism, eh? I am so glad we could all reason together. Aren't you? --~ [[User:TK|TK]] [[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]] 16:17, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

Hacker, as I clearly stated, my objection to "Nearly Headless Nick" (and "The Ostrich") is that they are anti-intellectual. I notices how you omitted the fact that it is a character from a CHILDREN'S book.

Wikipedia is an anti-intellectual movement. The anti-intellectual names add to this fundamental defect. Wikipedia is the internet version of the Cultural Revolution, causing a generation of students to throw out real encyclopedias and look for quick, easy and heavily biased answers by anti-intellectual editors.

As TK points out, Hacker, your pen name is hardly commendable either for an online project.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 16:19, 15 April 2007 (EDT) 

:I find it irrelevant that it's a children's book. However, I apologize for the PAs.

:Now, as to my username: please read the explanation I have placed on my userpage, in anticipation of such an issue. Then please proceed to read [[hacker]], Hacking for Christ[http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/gerv/][http://www.gerv.net/hacking/why-hacking-for-christ.html], the Wikipedia article on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker hacker], [http://www.userfriendly.org/ User Friendly], the Jargon File entry on [http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html hacker], [http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html How To Become A Hacker], etc. --[[User:Hacker|Hacker]]<code>([[User talk:Hacker|Write some code]])</code> 18:20, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

TO:[[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] point taken...as this is only my sig name I will amend the signature to me real name, thusly: [[User:Rob Pommer| Rob Pommer]][[User_talk:Rob_Pommer|talk]] 16:40, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

::Hacker, my point was, it was a pot calling the kettle black kind of comment. Yours. Since you surely don't expect all users should be required to read your user page, do you? I repeat, why the bother in making such comments, when most of your work is superior? Is everyone that bored? --~ [[User:TK|TK]] [[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]] 18:30, 15 April 2007 (EDT)

== Move ==

I'll be moving this to the Conservapedia: namespace, as it is not encyclopedic, and violates commandment 3. --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 00:23, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

*Really? --~ [[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 09:16, 17 April 2007 (EDT)

==#11==
I have issues with this one. A user's talk page is a place for discussion and debate. This rule/difference makes it very easy for a sysop to decide he doesn't like being told he's wrong and block any offending users instead of confronting the argument. The user page is what should be controlled as that is their personal space. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 12:54, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

: You can tell the Sysop once, and you can tell other Sysops. You cannot pester or attempt to bully someone on his own talk page. Conservatives respect a man's home as his castle. Ditto for one's own talk page.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:11, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

::PF Fox, don't post any more to my User talk page. See #11 in Differences with Wikipedia. Thank you.--Aschlafly 16:43, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

:::LOL! --[[User:PF Fox|PF Fox]] 19:21, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

==#16 - "anti-intellectual"?==

What makes names like "The Ostrich" anti-intellectual, exactly? I know it's sooper-dooper fun to sit around being preoccupied with stuff like this, because it provides Christians/conservatives with some "cause" to partake in that doesn't involve "inconveniences" like sending money to Africa or helping out at soup kitchens, but honestly---God is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being beyond all impeachment. Do you honestly think he cares whether rinky-dink little humans are squabbling about the biography of William Donald Schaefer? That's doubtful. I mean, seriously. The universe that he has created for us is a lot more interesting than bickering about axioms and abstract concepts like 'Conservative' and 'Liberal', right? I can't imagine anything more 'conservative' than conserving all the energy, time, manpower, and effort we've wasted on this endless debate. As for the "Liberals"? Let God sort them out on the other side of the curtain, eh? {{unsigned|Refugee621}}

: I couldn't follow your entire message, other than to observe that an ostrich hides his head in the sand. That has anti-intellectual connotations. Try applying for a graduate program by saying how much you'd like to be like an ostrich, and then let us know much that impresses the professors.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:39, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

::Should it be clearly expressed in the Commandments, Guidelines or Manual of Style? Or is there already a requirement? [[User:Leopeo|Leopeo]] 07:43, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
:: Um, usernames are just that- usernames. They aren't generally meant to have deep symbolism or referrences to cliches of what some animals represent. Claiming that Wikipedians' usernames are somehow anti-intellectual frankly makes Conservapedia look silly. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 10:56, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

::: JoshuaZ, if you agree that comments can be anti-intellectual, then surely usernames can be anti-intellectual also. Usernames can convey a message or POV, and if anti-intellectualism exists, then a username can convey that POV. As Wikipedia so perfectly describes in one of its finest entries, "duh"! :-) --[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 13:04, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

:::: It might be possible for some extreme examples of usernames to be anti-intellectual (such as maybe [[User:BooksRfun2Burn]]) but the notion that having a username of a certain animal is anti-intellectual simply because there exists a certain cliche about that animal is laughable. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 16:19, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

:::::Wikipedia editor "The Ostrich" has made a total of ten edits since the end of July 2004.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Ostrich] Not really an example of a typical Wikipedia editor these days. [[User:WhatIsG0ing0n]] and [[User:Wikinterpreter]] for example at Conservapedia have far more edits than that, with just as silly user names. There are three people with the surname "Ostric" in the White Pages in New South Wales - "The Ostrich" would meet the Conservapedia requirement for being derived from a person's name for these people. The silly names comparison should go. --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 08:59, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

== Bad English ==

Surely the title of the article should be '''Differences from Wikipedia'''. [[User:Catherine|Catherine]] 08:22, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

: Thanks for your contribution. But I think differences "with" is correct when comparing characteristics or views of members in of the same group. For example, "President Bush has had some differences with (not from) Vice President Cheney recently."

: But I'm open-minded about this. Can you explain your position more fully? Welcome, and Lord bless you for your efforts here.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 10:29, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

:: I don't think "differences from" is correct either, but neither do I think "differences with" is any better. I think I'd go for "differences to", but I'm not certain that's correct either, plus there might be a difference between what's "correct" in Australian English vs. American English. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:33, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

: "Differences with" retrieves 1.59 million Google links, suggesting that it is common usage, Philip. But I'm open to improvements.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 10:41, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

::I probably have my Google settings differently (e.g. only English pages returned). I get 1.25 million hits for "differences with", 1.24 million hits for "differences from", and 1.21 million hits for "differences to". At this level, this indicates that all are roughly equally used. The next step would be to try and determine if they are being used in the same context. For example, I think "differences with" might tend to be used for something that has changed, so you are talking about "difference with" the product compared to the older version, for example. But I'm not sure on this. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:59, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

::I don't think that counting the number of Google hits is a valid way of determining correct usage. It just shows that there are a lot of ill-educated people publishing on the internet. However, I appreciate the distinction between ''differences with'' (as applied to arguments) and ''differences from'' (comparison). ''Different to'' is always wrong (according to my old English grammar teacher). In the context of the article I would have thought that the comparison term was the correct application. [[User:Catherine|Catherine]] 13:13, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

: Catherine, you may be right and I greatly appreciate the feedback. However, I find it very awkward to say, "I have differences from Jim." It just sounds wrong to me. It sounds much better to me to say, "I have differences with Jim." Ditto for Conservapedia and Wikipedia, each of which is really a collection of editors and a respective approach. Godspeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 14:00, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

::Catherine may well be right about "to", but thinking more about this, I wonder if "differences with Wikipedia" is really saying how ''Wikipedia'' is different from something else (earlier version of Wikipedia, normal encyclopedias, Conservapedia, or whatever), whereas what this article is trying to say is how ''Conservapedia'' is different from Wikipedia.
::Maybe the solution is to change the title to, for example, "Differences between Conservapadia and Wikipedia".
::[[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:24, 27 May 2007 (EDT)

:::That sounds better, or maybe "How Conservapedia differs from Wikipedia". [[User:Catherine|Catherine]] 05:43, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

::::Differences between Conservapadia and Wikipedia sounds good, or Catherine's suggestion. I have called this thread to Andy's attention as it's his baby. --[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 05:54, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

:::"Difference to" is everyday language form, "difference from" or "difference between" are commonly used good English. Talking about personal difference should have different preposition but this not that kind of case. (Let's google also "different xxx" - not only "difference xxx") --[[User:Aulis Eskola|Aulis Eskola]] 11:30, 29 May 2007 (EDT)

: Done. Thanks much, Catherine!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 11:41, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

== #4? ==

"4. We encourage conciseness here, like a true encyclopedia. Wikipedia implicitly encourages (through its use of stubs) long-winded, verbose entries, making it difficult to recognize the essential facts."

If this is, in fact, the case, then why is there an '<nowiki>{{expand}}</nowiki>' keyword not only available, but used by editors here? Does this not implicitly encourage long-winded, verbose entries? To avoid slipping into hypocrisy, I would advise that Conservapedia either stops making such an allegation against Wikipedia or cease all used of this practice be it called <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki> or "cleverly" disguised as <nowiki>{{expand}}</nowiki>. --[[User:TokenModerate|TokenModerate]] 14:10, 28 June 2007 (EDT)

== Journalistic sources? ==

Difference #6 states:
<blockquote>We do not allow opinions of journalists to be repeated here as though they are facts. Instead, we require authoritative support. Wikipedia presents as facts numerous assertions that are based merely on journalists' (biased) opinion.</blockquote>

I am not doubting the research done in [[Homosexual Public Indecency Tolerated in San Francisco]] and [[Hamilton Square Baptist Church Riot]] (I believe there is a strong bias only showing one side of the story - but that is another matter and a battle I know is a losing one) but I am curious as to how an articles that are purely drawn from journalist accounts meshes with this difference.

Personally, I believe that journalistic sources are good and necessary to have as they are often primary sources of information rather than an abstraction later. This keeps Conservapedia a secondary source of information rather than a third or fourth level source. But if difference #6 is to be maintained, then a critical look at those two articles and future articles that depend upon journalistic sources needs to be made. --[[User:Mtur|Mtur]] 13:44, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

== "Anti-intellectual names"? ==

What the heck? [[User:The Ostrich|The Ostrich]] 19:51, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

*Indeed. Do you attend school or go to your place of employment and insist on being called "The Ostrich"? No, because you would never be taken seriously.....--[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|Ṣρёаќǃ]] 20:09, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

**Online, pseudonymity is key for many people. What can they do otherwise for a unique identifier? Are you suggesting that a substantial privacy risk should be taken? I don't mind using my name, people think I'm joking, but what should people seeking a unique, memorable, and private identity name themselves online? your two-letter combination can't serve the Internet's millions - we'd run out after 262. [[User:INTregued|INTregued]] 00:06, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
:::: Would you give someone your resume if it was printed in unreadable non-standard font that also substituted letters from non-english alphabets for the the standard ones? How is that different, .....--? Oh, you think it's cute so IT IS different. [[User:Mandrew|Mandrew]] 07:58, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
::: Do you think no one takes R.USirius (our however it is spelled) seriously? [[User:Mandrew|Mandrew]] 08:01, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

I would like to point out that Nearly Headless Nick is actually from the ''Harry Potter'' novels written by author J.K. Rowling. I think that is actually a very clever pseudonym and is intellectually worthy.

:Do you think that Pokemon is also "intellectually worthy"???--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:37, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

::Yes it is "intellectually worthy". I would not see it as something that an adult should reference when creating a username though. I think that a username should have some meaning that most people could easily identify.

== Drive to improve this page - your help is desired ==

I am reviewing this section both for edits, clarification, and for possible new entries to the list. Improvements, suggestions, or constructive criticism are welcome. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 15:37, 27 August 2007 (EDT)

== numbers 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 9, ==

#Number 1 is either obviously wrong or critically misleading: the GDFL is specifically designed to allow users to retain ownership of their contributions while allowing free redistribution. You do not lose any rights whatsoever to what you contribute when you contribute under a GDFL license, since you still own the original version. Your only restriction is once another person edits an article - then, ''the article'' is no longer yours, but your original content still belongs to you. Further, it allows you to prevent mirrors from claiming that they are the creators of your content - you can file a DMCA takedown notice based on your copyright, whereas public domain content is, well, public domain.
#While I remain puzzled as to what is meant by "entries and discussions which are anti-intellectual in nature" (I see no "nerds, you suck" pages on Wikipedia, and the assertion itself seems unfounded (examples, please?)), Wikipedia has merely chosen to separate its lectures, guides, et cetera into separate projects (Wikiversity, Wikisource, Wikibooks) to concentrate on a core goal of creating an encyclopedia. Number 2 thus seems grossly misleading - it is not that Wikipedia is lacking, it is that Conservapedia's content is jumbled together (which may or may not be a good thing :) ).
#While Jimbo Wales did co-found Wikia, it is noted repeatedly as being otherwise unaffiliated with the Wikimedia Foundation. Further, what search engine is associated with Wikipedia?!? Number 3 seems almost ridiculously unhinged.
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#Gossip isn't exactly allowed on Wikipedia either. I hear they have a really strict [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biography_of_living_persons policy about unreferenced material on living people]. Perhaps number 5 could use a fact-checking tune-up?
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#Neutral to the facts? Conservapedia freely admits being highly pro-Christian, pro-Conservative, and pro-US. The last time I heard that called neutral... there wasn't a last time. Further, what's wrong with using the word "militant"? They mean virtually the same thing, and "militant" isn't politically charged, as "terrorist" is. Number 8 seems to be missing the point: what's wrong with trying to be neutral? Besides, organizations widely recognized as being terrorist in nature are usually labelled as such regardless.
#It's a wiki: anyone can change anything. If your content is supported by consensus, backed up by references, and bolstered by not presenting a lopsided view of the situation in question, it's unlikely that any user, even a sysop, could get away with censoring content. just as I assume is the case on Conservapedia. Got a case in point? I'd like to hear about it. Number 9. Turn me on, dead man.
#Excluding original research makes any reference more reliable. While Conservapedia may think that this "promotes a more intellectual atmosphere", any trained scientist will know that a single experiment, original research, is in and of itself unreliable. Until results are confirmed by multiple parties, which is unlikely to happen, the information obtained should not be trusted. Number 10 marks double digits of shame.
#Do you have a case in point? I recall seeing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines Wikipedia's talk page guidelines], and it seems to me that users have a pretty wide latitude on their own user pages, as long as they aren't disrupting everyone else (in which case, as a misbehaving child might, it is obvious for them to lose some privileges).
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#Perhaps Wikipedia has exacting rules, but it has been my experience that users are blocked because they make an edit which annoys a sysop on Conservapedia, for example [[User:NeutralParty]] who was blocked for asking about a series of indefinite IP range blocks. Wikipedia's rules would seem preferable to the apparant mob here. I was once blocked for an inappropriate username, with the summary "choose a different username" while having my IP blocked from creating accounts. If I am blocked for posting this, you merely prove my point - Conservapedia needs better blocking rules. Oh well.
#But you have no system for recognizing which people are experts, so your policy is just as bad - you simply treat all new users as... new users - which doesn't seem to be any different from Wikipedia. Unless, again, you can think of a case in point?
#Case in point? Someone being blocked for blog posts obviously was causing a real problem to be blocked. Your statement lacks both context and clarity for the instance.
#And what is your alternative to pseudonymity? Users who have inappropriate usernames are immediately and indefinitely blocked with invitation to choose a better name immediately. Further, I fail to see how usernames are inherently "anti-intellectual" - it's the contributions that matter, not the name.

::I have a bit of a problem with these "differences", and I have outlined my problems with them above. I don't mean to be an annoyance, but were someone to point out the holes in these differences, it might look like you were arbitrarily smearing Wikipedia. Which you aren't, right? I'd like to see some improvement here. [[User:INTregued|INTregued]] 23:53, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

::: I read as far as your implication that Wikipedia does not have gossip. Surely you're joking. Wikipedia is the National Enquirer of the internet. Or perhaps you don't think the National Enquirer has gossip either????--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 00:32, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

::::I'm not joking. My problem is that I don't see the evidence to support that claim which you make. While anonymous users add stuff all the time, the metaphorical chaff is quickly separated from the similarly metaphorical wheat, with most unproductive or nonsensical edits being reverted. Further, while Wikipedia may contain some gossip (I certainly imagine that it is quite difficult to police nearly 2m pages simultaneously with only volunteers), it isn't exactly ''allowed'', as the statement implied. Either point me to something on Wikipedia saying that gossip is allowed, or if there is gossip, point it out and some loyal Wikipedian will notice and remove the offending text within a few hours. Simply saying "Wikipedia is the National Enquirer of the internet" is a meaningless smear if one cannot provide a valid justification for the comparison. It's not so much what is right - it is the respectability of being able to back up an otherwise questionable claim. I assume Conservapedia wishes to be respectable. [[User:INTregued|INTregued]] 08:02, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

:::::Please remove #3 immediately, it is just plain ridiculous. Who ever wrote that was probably reading news articles with headlines such as "Wikipedia to launch search engine", many of those news articles were so inaccurate that they were not even revised, but taken off the web. I understand that you are referring to Wikia Search when you say search engine, but as one of three Wikia Search sysops I know that the biggest myth about it is that it is in some way connected with Wikipedia. We are constantly fighting this myth. Please make your site more credible by removing this factual inaccuracy off of it. Thanks! [[User:Mschel|Mschel]] 10:07, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

::::: INTregued, your comments are an example of how a [[liberal]] can make an absurd argument with a straight face. Countless articles on Wikipedia are filled with gossip and it's obvious that the gossip attracts visitors, just as the National Enquirer does. This is not vandalism. Do you think the National Enquirer is vandalized before publication??? To take just one example, check out Bertrand Russell's entry on Wikipedia. I'll let you find the gossip. There are thousands of examples like that, and it is not vandalism. Conservapedia has a rule against gossip. Wikipedia does not. More examples are at [[Bias in Wikipedia]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 10:30, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

::::: Mschel, learn how to spell "ridiculous" for starters. Then figure out how Wikipedia leaders were able to raise millions for their search engine project. It was due to the actual and expected preferences in directing Wikipedia traffic to the search engine. It's remarkable how many Wikipedia volunteers are fooled by this. Perhaps you're one of them. How about volunteering to work for Microsoft next?--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 10:30, 30 August 2007 (EDT)
::::::You are still making the same mistake as these guys from the press who have no idea what they are talking about. As one of the three admins on Wikia Search, if something like that was going on I think I would know about it. As for working for Microsoft, I object, I do not have one single piece of Microsoft software on my computer, and I have been using Linux for years. :D [[User:Mschel|Mschel]] 10:42, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

::::::: I'm glad you fixed your spelling of "ridiculous". Now perhaps you can tell us how many millions the for-profit Wikia search engine has raised from investors, which Wikipedia admins control and benefit from that for-profit endeavor, and how Wikipedia is and will be being manipulated to give it an advantage. You tell us the details if you know so much. Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 11:10, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

::::::::O my! Someone has been reading too much CNN. [[User:Mschel|Mschel]] 11:18, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

:Aschafly, Wikipedia ''does'' have rules against gossip. Perhaps one of the sentences from one of the core policies (Verifiability) will make this clear: "Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed." Further, you attempt to discount my argument as absurd by calling me a liberal. This would only be an effective retort were I a liberal. I'm afraid that I only skimmed through the article on Bertrand Russell, but I don't see the gossip right away. Could you point me to a specific section or sections? Or has any gossip been appropriately removed? Further, I'm afraid it is not obvious that Wikipedia's "gossip" is the primary attraction to visitors. Also, would you mind reading some of the other complaints? Specifically, number 1 is, IMHO, the worst problem of the lot.
:And regarding Wikipedia admins, they aren't paid. The only connections that Wikia has to Wikipedia are Jimbo Wales and the occasional donation from Wikia, which help keep Wikipedia running - if Wikipedia itself were for-profit, it might have better servers rather than the lag-prone arrays currently responding to the flood of traffic. Further, I'm pretty sure that the great majority of Wikipedia end-users are not even aware of the Wikia Search page, or of any but the most popular Wikia-based sites. Even further than that, I mean no offense, but your last comment sounds somewhat like something from your Enquirer. [[User:INTregued|INTregued]] 12:28, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

: INTregued, you're clueless. Look up gossip in the dictionary and read a copy of the National Enquirer so that you can learn what "gossip" is. Then reread Bertrand Russell's entry on Wikipedia and see the gossip. Read [[Bias in Wikipedia]] for other examples. Wikipedia is filled with gossip, perhaps even more than the National Enquirer is. I'm not going to spend my afternoon teaching you what everyone else knows: the meaning of the term "gossip". I'm not going to respond to you further about this until you admit the obvious, and admit that Wikipedia does not prohibit or even discourage gossip. It welcomes it.

: Your second point also misses the obvious, and I'm not going to dwell on that with you either. Wikipedia generates traffic on the backs of volunteers, and a privileged few have raised millions in a for-profit venture to exploit that traffic. In the terminology of another silly Wikipedia entry, duh.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 12:59, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

:: In the various talk pages about atheism there is a question about who the burden of proof is upon for making a claim. In this case, I believe the burden is upon you. You have stated that there is gossip in the Bertrand Russell page on Wikipedia and yet you leave the evidence as left up to the reader who doesn't necessarily agree with you? Could you please point to specific items to show to others where that gossip is to prove your point? Making vague claims and then leaving it up to the other side to prove or disprove your claims will not win any points in a debate team. --[[User:Rutm|Rutm]] 13:39, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Is the point of this site to be a better alternative to Wikipedia, or to bash it? When I joined I I was under the former impression, I am now leaning towards the latter. For example, if you go to the article about Wikipedia, you don't learn that it is a wiki, all you see is that it's an online encyclopedia, and section after section of mud-slinging. Would someone please explain this to me? [[User:Mschel|Mschel]] 13:17, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

*Mschel, you are yet another common troll. You cannot even post here with openly and with integrity without using proxies to disguise yourself. More Liberal [[deceit]]. Bye. --[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|Ṣρёаќǃ]] 13:59, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

::Aschlafly, Rutm's comment was what I planned to say - have you any good argument besides "it's obvious" that Wikipedia contains and, more ridiculously, encourages gossip? I don't plan on continually pushing against an ''ad hoc'' "it's obvious" argument, or vague references to long articles which might contain only a small percentage of "gossip" left over because the article is not policed strongly enough. Further, Wikimedia routinely publishes third-party audits publicly [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/2/28/Wikimedia_2006_fs.pdf], which doesn't quite seem in line with the dark for-profit agenda you allege they follow. I'm not counting on you responding, and less on acting (fixing the mistakes quoted), but you might do well if you can recognize that smears without context, references, and/or proof merely damage your credibility. How is this "The Trustworthy Encyclopedia" if it cannot write about ideas, for example, Wikipedia's use of the GDFL, without misdirection? I'd like to see this fixed. [[User:INTregued|INTregued]] 23:08, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

== Monitor blogs ==

I know that, I wrote a blog about 3 days after they banned me about getting people together to get Wikipedia Shut Down and within 2 hours it was cross posted on Wikipedia and now every one on Wikipedia except a few editors have a negative view on me.--  † [[User:FellowChristian16|Fellow]][[User talk:FellowChristian16|Christian]][[Special:Contributions/FellowChristian16|16]]  19:01, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

:How would you react if a group of people were getting together to shut Conservapedia down? [[User:Daphnea|Daphnea]] 13:22, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

::I don't know about FC16, but I wouldn't give a rat's behind for two reasons: (1) it wouldn't be the least bit surprising and (2) it wouldn't have a chance of succeeding. Wikipedia and many of its users are hyper-sensitive to criticism and certain editors make sure any off-WP criticism is quickly and permanently attached to the editors who criticize. This is done to try to smear and discredit said editors. I do not see that happening here (mainly because the critics discredit themselves with their edits). CP does not monitor off-site comments that I've seen. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 13:42, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
:::It wasn't criticism, it was an outright attack. [[User:EBrown|EBrown]] 21:20, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

==Wikipedia million dollar investments==
What's the source of the idea that Wikipedia attracts million dollar investments? [[User:Daphnea|Daphnea]] 13:20, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
: none -- a lot of the stuff on this encyclopedia are unsourced claims made to attack wikipedia

:: Not investments in the traditional sense, because Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) is a not-for-profit. The Foundation receives donations and grants. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloan_Foundation Sloan Foundation] in March 2008 granted $1 million to WMF for the current financial year and pledged a further $2m over the following two years.

:: But the text on this page reads:
::: ''Wikipedia, while relying on volunteers, uses its traffic to attract million-dollar investments in money-making projects, such as building a search engine.''

:: This is confusing the Wikimedia Foundation, set up by Jimmy Wales,with Wikia, a for-profit set up by Jimmy Wales and Angela Beesley and incorporated in Delaware. It's a wiki-farm, mainly funded by advertising but I understand that it has also received capital from other companies for some of its project. --[[User:TonySidaway|TonySidaway]] 15:00, 11 February 2009 (EST)

==Original research==
Does Conservapedia really allow original research? That's very dangerous. Suppose I was to write (taking an untrue and entirely made up example) "I met Ann Coulter in a restaurant, she was blind drunk and told me she was addicted to cocaine but had managed to keep it from the media". Am I allowed to add that to the article about her? It's based on personal experience, so by the rules of Conservapedia is should be allowed. Is it? [[User:Daphnea|Daphnea]] 16:22, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
:Well technically a no originally research rule excludes your own videotapes. So you could interview Ann Coulter, videotape it yourself, and then there is proof and it is also original research. [[User:RobertBobkins|RobertBobkins]] 16:25, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
:Let me be less controversial. There is a persistent editor on Wikipedia who has been asserting that the true name of [[Canada]] is ''Dominion of Canada''. He claims to have discovered this by examining the founding document of the country. Is he allowed to write about his discoveries on Conservapedia? [[User:Daphnea|Daphnea]] 16:38, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

==Opinion==
"Wikipedia presents as facts numerous assertions that are based merely on journalists' (biased) opinion". Any actual examples of this? [[User:Daphnea|Daphnea]] 16:24, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
:Several, many of which are listed on the [[Bias in Wikipedia]] page. One recent example which I exposed after it had been presented as fact for 3 years on WP was a phony quote attributed to Phillip Johnson. The quote was actually one person's biased paraphrase (i.e. his opinion) of what Johnson said. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 18:14, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
:One case in an entire encyclopedia? I bet there are more errors in Conservapedia. [[User:Daphnea|Daphnea]] 21:11, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

==American==
I was just talking to another editor who says that Conservapedia is explicitly written from an American point of view (meaning United States). Is that the case? If so then I think it would be good to say so on this page. [[User:Daphnea|Daphnea]] 16:45, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
:It is in some cases. Many of the political articles about liberalism, conservatism and libertarianism are often overly American-focused, but I wouldn't say there's a large American POV present in Wikipedia as a whole mainly because the British, Canadian, Australian, etc. editors try to fix it. If only they were able to apply such fair-mindedness to the rest of their site... --[[User:Ampersand|Ampersand]] 18:21, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
:It might be good to point out the silliness and confusion that can be and is caused by WP trying to be world-minded. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 18:44, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
:Thanks for those comments. However I'm still not clear whether Conservapedia is ''intended'' to be American biased. [[User:Daphnea|Daphnea]] 21:53, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
::Have a look at Conservapedia's logo for a second. Then you will see whether Conservapedia is written from an American perspective or not.

== gossip ==

I must point out that in the gossip section, the word 'real' used in that context could be interpreted as meaning that Conservapedia is not an encyclopedia. Also, I believe the protection template on the beginning of this talk page is inaccurate, as I was just able to post this message.

==Item 1==
Item one currently reads as follows:
: ''We allow broader reuse of our material than Wikipedia does. By entering information on Wikipedia you are actually losing rights to your own material to the extent anyone else edits it, as you cannot then copy your entry for use elsewhere without complying with Wikipedia's burdensome copyright restrictions.''

This is confusing rights to one's own material with rights to the material of others.

You still retain complete rights to use your own material as you see fit. If someone edits it they can grant you whatever rights to their material they want.

What Wikipedia does, however, is ensure that ''anyone'' can use the combined work without further negotiation, subject to the GFDL which simply ensures that your contribution is acknowledged (the burden consists, in total, of a requirement to display that acknowledgement alongside the copied or derived material). If they don't want to be "burdened" by the GFDL they can contact you and the other authors and ask for whatever permissions they want. --[[User:TonySidaway|TonySidaway]] 14:24, 11 February 2009 (EST)

==Wikipedia's Money Making Schemes==
We should investigate this and try to overturn the Section 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt Charitable Organization classification Wikipedia has falsely secured. [[User:MattL|MattL]] 14:44, 11 February 2009 (EST)
:What money making schemes? Accepting grants and donations? Numerous, if not most, respected non-profits do this. I honestly don't see how they are doing anything that could violate their non-profit classification. ----[[User:Mschel|Mark]] [[User_talk:Mschel|(Mschel)]] 19:05, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

== #15 – »blog monitoring« ==

:''»We do not ban users based on their comments elsewhere, such as on their own blog. Wikipedia will monitor users' blogs and ban them for their exercise of free speech on their own blogs«''
Can someone point me to any evidence on this? I cannot quite believe that this is true, but it would be very shocking! --[[User:PhilN|PhilN]] 10:55, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

I'm quite curious to read about this too, does anyone know the source? [[User:RaymondP|RaymondP]] 21:26, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

:About half the time I try to correct something biased with neutral prose, they'll turn around and say, "You're not at Conservapedia." --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 17:11, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
::CP may need to clarify its blocking policy in relation to membership in a website promoting vandalism. That website, or blog, recently has posted a position statement that it does not advocate vandalizing other websites, and has since enacted internal reforms and enforcement mechanisms governing user conduct. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 17:18, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== Official names ==

I'm guessing that Conservapedia is a stickler for official names to be used as article names and references rather than any slang or alternetive names. Best example I can think of is that Conservapedia rightly uses the correct name [[Londonderry]] for the city in [[Northern Ireland]] unlike Wikipedia who caved into Irish liberals and now use the incorrect slang term "derry". Shouldn't this be included in the commandments as using correct names for things rather than alternetives. [[User:King1|King1]] 16:14, 14 June 2010 (EDT)

== 13 ==

Wikipedia uses them to encourage new users to edit and help improve articles. Also distracting stub templates? I hardly consider:
This article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. On the bottom the page distracting.

== 13 ==

Wikipedia uses them to encourage new users to edit and help improve articles. Also distracting stub templates? I hardly consider:
This article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. On the bottom the page distracting.

== Templates/infoboxes ==

Another note to add is that CP templates and infoboxes are generally more well-designed than those on WP. I've noticed on numerous Wikipedia articles that their templates appear boring and filled with meaningless content. In addition, our templates/infoboxes often use bold and bright colors which stand out and look professional while those on WP use lighter hues which appear bland. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 18:46, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
:You ''are'' being sarcastic: frankly, CP's templates are inferior in most ways to wikipedia's - often, they are just decade-old, unmaintained copies.... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:00, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
::Well, whenever I go skim through WP articles, their templates just appear boring. When reading CP articles, our templates just pop out better and makes one want to examine it closely. There are also some more specific examples: for WP's infobox officeholder template, they don't use lines via <code><nowiki><hr/></nowiki></code> much which make everything look nicer, while we do. CP also has some more variation for infobox templates, namely [[Template:Officeholder]] and [[Template:Infobox person]]. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 19:10, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
:::Indeed, you have improved both [[Template:Officeholder]] and [[Template:Infobox person]]. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:16, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

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<center>''See [[coronavirus]] for a more substantive explanation.''</center>
'''Coronavirus disease 2019''', or '''COVID-19''' (also called '''Chinese Virus''', '''Wuhan Virus''' and the '''CCP flu'''), is the name of the disease caused by a novel strain of the [[coronavirus]] (SARS-CoV-2 or 2019-nCoV) identified as originating in [[Wuhan, China]] in late November and early December 2019.<ref>[https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back Coronavirus: China’s first confirmed Covid-19 case traced back to November 17], Josephine Ma, 13 Mar, 2020. www.scmp.com</ref> The outbreak turned into a [[pandemic]], reaching every continent on the planet by March 2020. Genetic mapping suggests that the Wuhan virus is related to severe acute respiratory syndrome [[SARS-CoVid-1|(SARS) of 2002 and 2003]] as well as to the Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) of 2012 to the present. COVID-19 is considered highly infectious with an estimated basic reproduction number (R0) of 2.2. The mortality rate is described as considerably less than 1 percent in people under 65. By comparison, the mortality rate for seasonal influenza is 0.1 percent, SARS was 9 to 10 percent, and MERS was 36 percent.<ref name="Fauci">Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., H. Clifford Lane, M.D., and Robert R. Redfield, M.D., "[https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387 Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted]," ''New England Journal of Medicine'', March 26, 2020.</ref>

Dr. Robert Redfield, former director of the [[Centers for Disease Control and Prevention]] (CDC), told [[CNN]] that he believes the virus escaped from the [[Wuhan Institute of Virology]] (WIV) lab in China. “I do not believe this somehow came from a bat to a human.”<ref>https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/26/coronavirus-robert-redfield-wuhan-institute-of-virology/</ref>

A great deal of research is being conducted on this virus. The first vaccine candidates will enter phase 1 trials by early spring 2020. Therapy is currently limited to supportive care. Medication in current use include the antiviral drugs lopinavir–ritonavir, interferon-1β, the dangerous and expensive RNA polymerase inhibitor remdesivir, and [[hydroxychloroquine]].<ref name="Fauci" />

Because of the [[virus]]' ability to replicate exponentially it is difficult to calculate the total number of people infected, as well as a definitive mortality rate. Quantifying total infections is hampered by the number of test kits available, as well as trained personnel to interpret the results of a novel, previously unknown, virus. The exponential rate of infections can overwhelm healthcare facilities and healthcare givers. With only experimental treatments available for a previously unknown virus, experts recommend persons with symptoms remain home so as to not infect others, or even if your symptoms are unrelated to COVID-19 you could become infected at hospitals where carriers likely are present.

Many carriers of the virus show no symptoms at all, and may never show symptoms. Social distancing, remaining at least 6 feet away from other people, is recommended to avoid infection and for an untested, [[asymptomatic]] (showing no symptoms) carrier to avoid spreading the virus. Each survivor of the virus must build immunity through antibodies. Therefore, the size of a person's initial exposure to the virus is crucial.

Ultimately, experts have stated, some 80% of the planet will be exposed to the infection between 2019 and 2021. [[Herd immunity]] eventually will develop in the human species to survive against the infection. Until a widespread vaccine becomes available in later 2020 or in 2021, practicing such basic habits as handwashing, social distancing, wearing masks to avoid spreading or catching the infection, avoid touch the mucus membranes of your mouth, nose, and eyes, and other sanitary habits are highly recommended for persons who chose to survive this global [[pandemic]].

The virus has the ability to survive on surfaces, such as door knobs, money, tables, floors, etc. Maintaining cleanliness and avoiding contact with surfaces commonly used by the general public is also recommended.

World leaders actively hope that COVID-19 can lead to [[The Great Reset]], and are even openly calling for it in the news.

== Atheistic, Chinese Communist Party and the COVID-19 pandemic ==

''See also:'' [[Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic]]

The [[Chinese Communist Party]] (CCP) mandates its members be [[atheists]] (see: [[China and atheism]] and [[Atheism and communism]] and [[militant atheism]] and [[State atheism]]).<ref>[https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/19567-china-s-communist-party-reaffirms-marxism-maoism-atheism China’s Communist Party Reaffirms Marxism, Maoism, Atheism], New American, 2014</ref><ref>[http://www.ibtimes.com/senior-chinese-religious-advisor-calls-promotion-atheism-society-2363850 Senior Chinese Religious Advisor Calls For Promotion Of Atheism In Society], ''International Business Times''</ref>

The CCP tried to cover up the emergence of the COVID-19 which prevented the pandemic being contained in its early stages.<ref name="theatlantic.com">[https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/ China Is Avoiding Blame by Trolling the World], The Atlantic</ref>

China allowed thousands of COVID-19 infected people leave China during the early stage of the pandemic when the world was not aware of it.<ref>[https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-pandemic-china-confronting-chinese-communist-party/ To Confront China After Coronavirus, We Must See the Bigger Picture], National Review</ref>

''The Atlantic'' reported concerning the role of the CCP to allow the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic to spread in China and globally during its early stages:
{{Cquote|China has a history of mishandling outbreaks, including SARS in 2002 and 2003. But Chinese leaders’ negligence in December and January—for well over a month after the first outbreak in Wuhan—far surpasses those bungled responses. The end of last year was the time for authorities to act, and, as Nicholas D. Kristof of The New York Times has noted, “act decisively they did—not against the virus, but against whistle-blowers who were trying to call attention to the public health threat.”

This is what allowed the virus to spread across the globe. Because the Chinese Communist Party was pretending that there was little to be concerned about, Wuhan was a porous purveyor of the virus. The government only instituted a lockdown in Wuhan on January 23—seven weeks after the virus first appeared. As events in Italy, the United States, Spain, and France have shown, quite a lot can happen in a week, much less seven. By then, mayor Zhou Xianwang admitted that more than 5 million people had already left Wuhan.<ref name="theatlantic.com">[https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/ China Is Avoiding Blame by Trolling the World], The Atlantic</ref>}}

==Dr. Zelenko's treatment approved for nationwide use ==
''See also:'' [[Vladimir Zelenko]] and [[Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment]]

As of March 27, 2020, the most successful doctor treating coronavirus patients is [[Vladimir Zelenko]], M.D. as none of his 699 patients have died or have required intubations whereas 1.5% of U.S. coronavirus patients die.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaSHM1TK5tM Vladimir Zelenko: Important March 27, 2020 update regarding my coronavirus treatment regimen]</ref> See: [[Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment]]

[[President Donald Trump]] expressed optimism that Dr. Zelenko's treatment could be expanded to meet the threat of the deadly disease during the national emergency. Several [[Democrat]] governors subsequently issued [[executive order]]s banning the treatment.<ref>https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2020/03/democrats-fear-cure.html</ref> On March 30, 2020, the [[Food and Drug Administration]] granted expedited approval of [[hydroxychloroquine]] nationwide for treatment of COVID-19.<ref>https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/29/fda-emergency-authorization-anti-malaria-drug-155095</ref> [[War on science|Anti-science]] [[Democrat]] governors however, showing no regard for the lives of their people, resisted the FDA approved treatment.

President Trump is now taking hydroxychloroquine and zinc as a prophylactic (preventitive measure), though he first checked with his personal physician that it was safe to do so (people with heart conditions should not take hydroxychloroquine).<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsfqJ1TkgP0 Donald Trump says he takes hydroxychloroquine drug for Covid-19]</ref>

== Origin of Covid-19 virus ==
:{{See also|CCP pandemic coverup}}
Chinese students researchers indicated the novel coronavirus may have begun human-to-human transmission in late November 2019 from a place other than the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan. A study published on ChinaXiv, a Chinese open repository for scientific researchers, reveals the new coronavirus was introduced to the seafood market from another location, and then spread rapidly from market to market.<ref>https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml</ref> The Chinese Communist Party deleted the page.

===''The Lancet'' disputes CCP wet market claims===
CCP propaganda outfits announced the virus may have originated at a government laboratory only 280 meters away from the Huanan seafood market. Disease-ridden animals, including more than 600 horseshoe bats, were kept at the facility. A Chinese-language newspaper published in Hong Kong, ''Ming Pao'', and the British daily, ''The Mirror'' explained that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control, or WHCDC, could have spawned the contagion in Hubei Province. It stated that it's plausible the virus was leaked from the lab and contaminated initial patients in this epidemic. Sen. [[Tom Cotton]], citing ''The Lancet'', tweeted
{{quotebox|China claimed—for almost two months—that coronavirus had originated in a Wuhan seafood market. That is not the case. @TheLancet published a study demonstrating that of the original 40 cases, 14 of them had no contact with the seafood market, including Patient Zero.<ref>https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/tom-cotton-implies-coronavirus-originated-in-wuhan-super-laboratory</ref>}}
This suggests that there was an earlier source of the virus that is unrelated to the seafood market and that has not yet been traced. If this theory is correct, the infection originated no later than November and infected the seafood market in December. The case histories and the pattern of infection were known to Chinese researchers from the beginning, so earlier reports fingering the market may have been intentionally misleading.<ref>Cohen, Jon, "[https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally]," ''Science'', Jan. 26, 2020.</ref> ''[[The Washington Post]]'', which routinely publishes Chinese Communist [[propaganda]], blasted Sen. Cotton over his comments.<ref>https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/19/washington-post-uses-chinese-propaganda-in-attempt-to-blast-sen-tom-cotton-over-coronavirus-comments/</ref>

On February 6, 2020 scientists from the South China University of Technology uploaded a paper on the origins of Coronavirus:
{{quotebox|The Lancet reported that 27 of 41 infected patients were found to have contact with the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan. We noted two laboratories conducting research on bat coronavirus in Wuhan, one of which was only 280 meters from the seafood market. We briefly examined the histories of the laboratories and proposed that the coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory…… The bats carrying CoV ZC45 were originally found in Yunnan or Zhejiang province, both of which were more than 900 kilometers away from the seafood market. Bats were normally found to live in caves and trees. But the seafood market is in a densely-populated district of Wuhan, a metropolitan of ~15 million people. The probability was very low for the bats to fly to the market. According to municipal reports and the testimonies of 31 residents and 28 visitors, the bat was never a food source in the city, and no bat was traded in the market.<ref>http://archive.is/ATNpb</ref>}}
China's leftwing censors however deleted the content.<ref>https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3831465/posts</ref>

===Dr. Li issues public warning===
[[Dr. Li Wenliang]] was an ophthalmologist in [[Wuhan, China]] who became a [[whistleblower]] and victim of the [[Chinese Communist Party]] (CCP). Efforts by Dr. Li to alert the Chinese people to the danger of the [[CCP coronavirus]] in late December 2019, and his subsequent death 5 weeks later did not go unpunished. Dr. Li has been elevated to the status of saint and folk hero among the Chinese people.

On December 30, 2019 Dr. Li posted the lab test result of a coronavirus patient in a group chat to a class of about 150 students writing:
{{Quotebox|“7 cases of SARS have been confirmed in the South China Fruit and Seafood Market and they were isolated in the emergency department of our hospital. Please tell your families to take preventative measures.”}}
Some doctors confirmed that healthcare workers were starting to become infected around this time, a significant sign that the virus could spread between humans. Health officials in Wuhan were alerted. Instead of ramping up safety measures and alerting the public, on the same day they issued a notice forbidding all medical institutes or individuals from disclosing any information regarding the new disease. At midnight, Dr. Li was summoned by the CCP Security Police. They questioned him about why he was spreading rumors online.

On December 31, Wuhan's health commission posted an announcement about the outbreak on their website. They confirmed 27 cases of the infection and said there was no evidence that the disease was contagious among humans. According to a research paper written by Chinese officials, which was published later, the number of virus cases had reached at least 105 by the end of 2019. At that point, 15 people had already died. A media report also showed that one major hospital in Wuhan, Xiehe Hospital, was forced to transform an entire floor of the facility into “quarantine space for contagious disease.” [[Taiwan]] officials notified the [[World Health Organization]] (WHO) that the virus was being spread from human-to-human.<ref>https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/20/who-taiwan-coronavirus-warning/</ref> Communist party officials in China and military personnel began taking preventative measures, however the public was never alerted.

====8 doctors arrested for issuing public warnings====
On January 3, 2020 Dr. Li was asked to sign a confession to charges of committing [[crime]]s against the [[leftist]] regime, spreading “illegal and false” information and that he had “severely disrupted social order.” 7 other doctors also were charged. The confesion read:
{{quotebox|"On December 30, 2019, WeChat group "Clinical Wuhan University 04" issued untrue statements about 7 cases of SARS diagnosed in the South China fruit and seafood market. Now raise warnings and admonitions according to law on the illegal issue of untrue statements on the [[Internet]]. Your behavior severely disrupts social order. Your behavior has exceeded the scope permitted by [[law]], and it violates the relevant provisions of the Law of the [[People's Republic of China]] on Public Security Management Penalties, which is an [[illegal]] act! The public security organ hopes that you will actively cooperate with your work, follow the advice of the [[police]], and stop the illegal behavior. can you do it? Answer: Yes We hope that you calm down and reflect carefully, and solemnly warn you: if you are stubborn, do not think about [[repentance]], and continue to carry out illegal activities, you will be punished by the law! do you understand? Answer: understand"<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E6%9D%8E%E6%96%87%E4%BA%AE%E7%9A%84%E8%AE%AD%E8%AF%AB%E4%B9%A6.png File:李文亮的训诫书.png WikiCommons]</ref>}}

====CCP controlled Wuhan Municipal Health Commission begins cover up ====
On December 31, 2019 the CCP controlled Wuhan Municipal Health Commission declared, “The investigation so far has not found any obvious human-to-human transmission and no medical staff infection.” This is the opposite of the belief of the doctors working on patients in Wuhan, and two doctors were already suspected of contracting the virus.<ref>https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/IzzCnz4Yr2jEIYZePiu_ow</ref><ref>[[User:RobSmith/Text of article censored by Google translate]]</ref>

The CCP employed standard [[technocrat]]ic and [[bureaucrat]]ic rhetoric to qualm public fears:
{{quotebox|Twenty-seven cases have been found , of which 7 are in serious condition, and the remaining cases are stable and controllable. Two patients are expected to be discharged in the near future. The clinical manifestations of the cases were mainly fever, a few patients had difficulty breathing, and chest radiographs showed bilateral lung infiltrative lesions. At present, all cases have been isolated for treatment, follow-up investigations and medical observations of close contacts are ongoing, and hygiene investigations and environmental sanitation disposals for South China Seafood City are ongoing.

Wuhan organized the consultation of clinical medicine, epidemiology, and virology experts in Tongji Hospital, Provincial Center for Disease Control, [[Wuhan Institute of Virology]], Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan Infectious Disease Hospital, and Wuhan Center for Disease Control and other units, and the experts returned from the disease and treatment, Epidemiological investigation, preliminary laboratory tests and other aspects of the situation analysis that the above cases are viral pneumonia. The investigation so far has not found any obvious human-to-human transmission and no medical staff infection.}}
Tao Lina, a public-health expert and former official with Shanghai's center for disease control and prevention, tells the South China Morning Post, “I think we are [now] quite capable of killing it in the beginning phase, given China’s disease control system, emergency handling capacity and clinical medicine support.”<ref>https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3044050/mystery-illness-hits-chinas-wuhan-city-nearly-30-hospitalised</ref>

====WHO collusion with CCP====
[[File:WHO-CCP Wuhan virus.PNG|right|300px|thumb|The WHO tweeted misinformation from the Chinese Communist Party that the world had nothing to fear from the coronavirus outbreak.]]
Li was ordered to return to work where he contracted the virus. On January 6, 2020 the center for disease control in [[Shanghai]] acquired the complete gene sequencing of the new virus. They found over 89 percent similarity between the new virus and the deadly SARS virus that caused a pandemic in 2003. The information was sent to China's national CDC in an internal document. From January 6 to January 17, CCP officials reported zero new cases. In the 11 day period the communist authorities in Wuhan City and Hubei Province held their most important annual political meetings. Over 2,000 “representatives of the people” gathered to discuss the “amazing achievements of 2019” and how 2020 will be “a tremendous and promising year.” There was little mention of the coronavirus. On January 14 the [[World Health Organization]] [[tweet]]ed,
{{Quotebox-float|"Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan #China<ref>https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/18/flashback-who-china-coronavirus-contagious/</ref>}}
The same day a group of [[Hong Kong]] journalists accompanied Hong Kong experts who were invited to conduct research on the virus outbreak. The reporters were later detained by Chinese Security Police, who photographed their reporter IDs and asked them to delete all footage taken inside hospitals.

At this same time a post on the Chinese [[social media]] site Weibo, a person's dad was confirmed to have viral pneumonia. But the Xiehe Hospital in Wuhan refused to admit the father due to a shortage of hospital beds. Another netizen posted that his entire family was infected. They went to the Tongji Hospital in Wuhan and saw that “there were so many patients that some had to lie on the floor of the corridor.” His father was also sent home to self-quarantine because there weren't enough hospital beds. The post was later deleted. So were all other posts in the user's account.<ref>https://www.ntd.com/a-timeline-of-events-leading-up-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak-in-china_442592.html</ref> That was the week Wuhan authorities didn't report a single confirmed or suspected case.

From January 12 to 16, an estimated 3 million passengers left Wuhan by train over the Chinese New Year holiday, to visit family and friends in other cities in China. On January 17, 2020 Wuhan's tourism bureau issued over 200,000 free tourism tickets. It was an effort to entice people to visit the city so they could experience the “Chinese style and warm sentiments of Wuhan.” On January 18, Baibuting, a populous district in Wuhan, held an annual banquet to celebrate the Lunar New Year holiday. Three days before, staff from the neighborhood committee who were concerned about the outbreak asked if they could cancel the banquet, but communist officials denied the request. Over 40,000 families attended the banquet. Local communist apparatchiks ordered labs to stop testing for the virus and destroy the existing samples.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRagZsnEc2Q&feature=youtu.be</ref>

World Health Organization (WHO) boss [[Tadros Adhanom]] was a leader in [[Ethiopia]]'s Tigray People's Liberation Front, a wing of the ruling [[Marxist]] Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front. Adhanom served the repressive regime as Minister of Foreign Affairs from 2012 to 2016 after a stint as Health Minister. As a candidate for the top post, ''The New York Times'' accused Tad Adhanom of covering up at least three [[epidemic]]s.<ref>http://archive.is/9B2Zy</ref>

The Communist regime did not allow the WHO into China until February 10, 2020 - more than two months after the first cases were observed.
<ref>https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/10/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-update-intl-hnk/index.html</ref>

Researchers have identified a "tipping point" at which the virus goes from dangerous to deadly in extremely susceptible patients. A WHO report written 18 days later based on observation in China stated that 80% of infections ("mild cases") can self-isolate, 13% require hospitalization, and 6% require intensive care. While many patients experience nothing more than a mild cold, one in seven patients develops difficulty breathing and other "severe" complications, while 6% become critically ill and require hospitalization to stabilize their condition, risking death if they can't receive the highest level of care.<ref>https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/scientists-warn-about-dangerous-tipping-point-where-covid-19-goes-mild-deadly</ref> Some questions remain regarding whether the developed world has enough hospital beds available to treat cases requiring hospitalization. WHO said the coronavirus ''infection rate'' (as opposed to death rate) was thought to be the same as the flu when the virus was only known in China but has since been found to be ''two to three times that infectious''.<ref>https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/who-raises-death-rate-and-risk-of-coronavirus-one-expert-declares-wwii/</ref>

Tad Adhamon criticized travel bans to and from China saying, "There is no reason for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade." The WHO was not allowed into China until February 10, 2020, more than two months after the virus was first discovered. Adhanom praised the CCP's response: "We appreciate the seriousness with which China is taking this outbreak, especially the commitment from top leadership and the transparency they have demonstrated," and "China is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response." Film clips of Adhanom are shown on Chinese television saying, "China took action massively at the epicenter at the source of the outbreak. This is heroic. The actions of China is making us safer."

Peter Humphrey, a British investigator who was jailed in China in 2013 had been drugged, chained to a chair, locked in a cage and made to read out a statement written by the police in front of cameras. The anchor who presented the footage, James Chao, is now a goodwill ambassador with the World Health Organization.

The World Health Organization is horribly corrupt. An audit revealed there has been a surge in internal corruption allegations across the whole of the
organization with the detection of multiple schemes aimed at defrauding large sums of money from the international body, overwhelming an internal team of full-time investigators. An ''[[Associated Press]]'' expose in 2017 found that nearly half of the WHO two billion dollar budget went to first-class airfare and five-star hotels. The United States is the largest contributor US taxpayers fund about a quarter of the WHO budget. The WHO is working with [[Google]] to ensure that people get information from the [[UN]] health agency first when they search for information about the virus.

====Dr. Li's exoneration and death====
On January 20 [[President Xi]] finally acknowledged the crisis.<ref>https://thecritic.co.uk/the-coronavirus-cover-up/</ref> On January 23 the entire city of Wuhan, 11 million people, was put on lockdown. By the end of the month 50 million Chinese were on lockdown. On January 28, the Supreme Court of the Communist Party of China issued a statement that Dr. Li and the other "rumor makers" had been "rectified", but it was too late.

On the evening of February 6, Dr. Li died. The news quickly aroused strong attention and condemnation. However, Wuhan Central Hospital later issued a microblog saying that Li Wenliang was in critical condition and doctors were working to save his life. A number of insiders and doctors disclosed on social media that in the process, the authorities faced public indignation and ordered a series of attempts at resuscitation, but to no avail. A few hours later, the news of Li Wenliang's death again was released and detonated on WeChat and Weibo. By 6 a.m. local time, the keywords " Dr. Li Wenliang's death " and "Li Wenliang's death" ranked high on the Weibo topic list, with a total of 670 million views and 737,000 discussions.<ref>https://www.ntdtv.com/gb/2020/02/07/a102771379.html</ref> Before the end of the day news of Dr. Li's death had over 1.5 billion views on Weibo.<ref>https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-chinese-public-mourns-rages-over-death-of-doctor-who-raised-early-alarm</ref> An announcement on NTD of Dr. Li's death read:
{{quotebox| [NTD Beijing, February 07, 2020] Dr. Wenliang Li , who first announced Wuhan pneumonia, died at the age of 34 on the evening of the 6th due to improper treatment of a new coronavirus infection. His death ignited a new wave of angry tsunami among the public over the CCP's concealment. After Li Wenliang's death was exposed on the [[Internet]], the authorities, under pressure from public opinion, pretended to rescue the whole person, and performed 3 hours of chest compressions and electric shocks on the dead Li Wenliang, causing his ribs to be completely broken and beyond recognition . 

On February 7th, an independent economist, "Financial Cold Eye" (@charles984681), tweeted that the hospital director was afraid that Li Wenliang's death would lead to public outrage. After 3 hours of death, he was continuously subjected to CPR, which is the shock of cardiac resuscitation. It usually takes only a few minutes. After three hours, Li Wenliang's ribs were completely broken and beyond recognition . Tweeted that
*"Dr. Li was wronged alive, and he was abused after his death! With the worst of malice, I can't imagine how despicable this devil behavior is." 

In this regard, many netizens have commented: 
*"Too evil!" 
*"Under the autocratic system, the people of Li Min are nothing but the servants of the nobles." 
*"It is most likely a premeditated murder. This person has become a serious trouble for the nobles!" 

In addition, many network screenshots showed that Li Wenliang's treatment was extremely inadequate and timely, and the hospital director was under pressure. Li Wenliang was the worst one among the eight. Li Wenliang's lung film, all white! I never thought about letting him live! This man will be regarded as a hero in the United States! He was killed directly in the CCP! His wife ’s unborn child was also hit!

It is reported that Li Wenliang stopped his heartbeat at 9:30 and was intubated 20 minutes later. Finally, he went to ECMO (artificial lung) for a symbolic rescue to calm the anger of hundreds of millions of netizens. CCP officials have been rebuked as "political rescue.".....

There was a regret on the Internet that "the hero is gone", and lamented, angered, and rebuked the CCP "this regime has committed [[crimes against humanity]]!"

*"Burning !!! Doctor Li Wenliang died at the age of 34, leaving his wife and unborn child. Wuhan government, Hubei government, don't you give an explanation? Without heart, as human beings, the TAs are just humans! See At the time of this news, do you have any trace of guilt and regret for those "killers" who indirectly kill people? "

*"This time, the doctor who first warned the Chinese and the world and informed you of the epidemic was sacrificed today. He is Li Wenliang. After the epidemic was announced, he and several other doctors were arrested by the public security ... With the incident exposed, the Chinese government must Do n’t apologize. The official said it was because of the infection, and we have reason to suspect how he died? "

Password of the Propaganda Department of the Communist Party of China

It is said that the magnitude of the rebound [public reaction] has unexpectedly surprised the CCP, and the CCP propaganda department has issued a password.

Independent economist Qin Peng tweeted that the official propaganda requirements of the CCP came out as soon as possible.

*"Regarding the death of Dr. Li Wenliang of Wuhan Central Hospital, we must strictly standardize the source [control the narrative] of the manuscript. We are strictly forbidden to use media reports to report without permission. We must not pop-up the window, do not comment or speculate. Search and strictly control harmful information. "

Qin Peng said that if it were not for the life-threatening plague, how many Chinese people could not imagine the evil of the Chinese Communist Party!<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f0pmw8/rumored_dr_li_wenliangs_ribs_were_completely/</ref> }}

===Illegal bioweapon Gain of Function research in Wuhan===
:{{See also|Gain of function}}
One theory that has recently been postulated is that the coronavirus may be linked to Chinese bio-weapons research.<ref>https://ktrh.iheart.com/content/2020-01-24-virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-to-chinese-bio-warfare-program/?pname=local_social&keyid=KTRH&sc=editorial</ref> The city of Wuhan, where the virus originated, has the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where "''...it was reported to have studied coronaviruses in the past, including the strain that causes Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS, the H5N1 influenza virus, Japanese encephalitis, and dengue''".<ref>http://www.tibetanreview.net/did-the-wuhan-virus-escape-from-chinas-bio-weapons-lab/</ref> A second facility nearby, Wuhan Institute of Biological Products, is also listed one of eight research facilities under the 1985 Biological Weapons Convention, of which China is a signatory.

Dr Francis Boyle is an eminent professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law in the U.S. In an explosive interview with Geopolitics and Empire, Dr Boyle, who drafted the Biological Weapons Act, gave a detailed statement on how the 2019 Wuhan Coronavirus is an offensive biological warfare weapon and that the World Health Organization (WHO) already knew about it.<ref>https://greatgameindia.com/dr-francis-boyle-creator-of-bioweapons-act-says-coronavirus-is-biological-warfare-weapon/</ref>

The State Department issued a report in 2019 stating "''Information indicates that the People’s Republic of China engaged during the reporting period in biological activities with potential dual-use applications, which raises concerns regarding its compliance with the BWC."''<ref>https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Compliance-Report-2019-August-19-Unclassified-Final.pdf</ref> For its part, China has stated that it does not engage in bio-weapons engineering,<ref>https://www.nti.org/learn/countries/china/biological/</ref> despite discussion of bio and genetic weapons being discussed at the highest levels of the Chinese military,<ref>https://jamestown.org/program/chinas-military-biotech-frontier-crispr-military-civil-fusion-and-the-new-revolution-in-military-affairs/</ref> as well as a "white paper" drafted in 2001 which stressed ''"...in order to strengthen the effectiveness of the BWC, a necessary verification mechanism should be established"''.<ref>https://media.nti.org/pdfs/5a_1.pdf</ref>

[[India]]n researchers have found [[HIV]]-derived inserts in the coronavirus [[genome]] that compound the infectious potential and greatly bolster the argument this virus was developed as a bioterror weapon. A 2016 Worldwide Threat Assessment by [[John Brennan]] and the US [[Intelligence Community]] lists China as a major potential “terror actor” and genome editing as a major terror risk.<ref>https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/02/01/coronavirus-the-plot-thickens/</ref>


====Dr. Anthonly Fauci and the NIAID====
As head of the NIAID, [[Dr. Anthony Fauci]] doles out millions of dollars in research grants. Fauci approved a grant for gain of function research to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). The grant was not approved by a mandatory oversight board.<ref>Also known as P3CO or Potential Pandemic Preparedness Care and Oversight. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/hhs-board-never-approved-wuhan-institute-of-virology-research-grant/</ref>

Fauci was informed on February 1, 2020 that the covid virus was a bioweapon manufactured in the WIV laboratory. As the nation's top health advisor, Fauci did not inform the president of the United States, nor anyone in the [[Department of Health and Human Services]] or the Center for Disease Control. Fauci's initial reaction was to cover up the fact that he had funded the research that produced the virus,<ref>https://thefederalist.com/2021/06/03/fauci-email-dump-illustrates-a-dismissive-physician-who-rose-to-fame-to-cover-his-own-scandal/</ref> and the fact that the research had not been approved by the oversight board. Fauci arranged a teleconference with 11 virologists who were recipients of grant money from Fauci outside of government, who then, in turn, issued papers and statements denying that the virus originated in a laboratory.<ref> https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/14/dr-faucis-emails-tell-the-story-of-panic-lies-and-a-possible-cover-up/</ref>

[[File:Covid 19 bioweapon.PNG|right|350px|thumb|Leaked Chinese document.]]
====Peoples Liberation Army====

According to leaked documents, COVID-19 was created in a laboratory by the Chinese [[People's Liberation Army]] and fine-tuned as a bioweapon. It was specifically designed to be highly contagious, but often [[asymptomatic]], have low lethality, but produce uncontrollable variants and possessing characteristics providing plausible deniability as a bioweapon.

According to [[Chinese military doctrine]], such bioweapons are used prior to a declaration of war for political or international strategic needs, where the use of which can be denied. The intent, according to leaked documents, being: "Even if the academic evidence, virological evidence, and animal experiment data could possibly prove (that the virus comes from the lab), we can just deny it, stop (investigation), suppress (scholars), make sure the international organizations and honest people’s work is futile.”

A fully formed sample of COVID-19 was ready for testing in early 2019, while a parallel [[vaccine]] program was underway.

Scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology were chosen to participate in non-human primate (monkeys) transmission testing, simulated coronavirus release and response exercises such as at Wuhan’s Tianhe airport in September 2019 and an actual test release of COVID-19 at the 2019 Military World Games from October 18–27, 2019.<ref>https://ccnationalsecurity.org/more-evidence-leaked-from-china-on-the-deliberate-release-of-covid-19-by-the-chinese-military/</ref>

===Early cover story===
:{{See also|CCP propaganda war}}
On January 23, 2020 the Wuhan virus exploded. While Wuhan announced the lockdown of the city, Dr. [[Shi Zhengli]] of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, who had isolated the bat virus, spliced it, and made it transmissible to humans, provided the official Chinese communist cover story that the virus arose in nature. Shi published a paper in the authoritative science journal, ''Nature'' on February 3, 2020 stating that the Wuhan coronavirus was of probable bat origin.<ref>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7</ref> The paper indicated that the Wuhan virus utilized the same key as SARS to gain entry into the human body. She also announced the 2019-nCoV genome sequence was 96.2% consistent with a bat coronavirus originating in [[Yunnan]], China, called RaTG13, signaling a natural source of the Wuhan virus.<ref>https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/02/24/study-china-lied-wuhan-virus-did-not-originate-in-meat-market/</ref>

The ''Washington Post'' picked up the Chinese fake news narrative and indicated "The trigger point for the current coronavirus remains unclear, but [[China]] has linked the outbreak to the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, which despite its name also appeared to be selling live cats and dogs, wild chickens, snakes and marmots."<ref>[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/coronavirus-outbreak-underscores-potential-health-risks-in-chinas-wild-animal-trade/2020/01/25/5f5353be-3f6f-11ea-971f-4ce4f94494b4_story.html Coronavirus outbreak underscores potential health risks in China’s wild animal trade], ''Washington Post'', 2020</ref> CNN reported concerning China: "Vendors in small city markets often sell wild animals including rodents, yak, snakes and even porcupines, and experts say that makes them far more dangerous. The meat could contain deadly pathogens like the coronavirus."<ref>[https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/27/world/coronavirus-china-bans-wildlife-trade-trnd/index.html Chinese officials crack down on wildlife markets as coronavirus outbreak nears 3,000 cases]</ref>

"Wet market" refers to the blood of animals slain on the spot. The first case can be traced back to November 17, 2019, and the first death on December 9, 2019. Some cases were rumored among stallholders from the Wuhan South China Seafood Market in early December but hushed up by Chinese authorities.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBxZ1XIYmGc&feature=push-prem-sub&attr_tag=Pi2j7UuDGqgDAixI%3A6</ref> This market is said to have sold processed meats and live animals, including chickens, donkeys, sheep, pigs, foxes, badgers, bamboo rats, hedgehogs, and snakes.<ref>"[https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-chinese-wet-market-photos-2020-1#the-huanan-wholesale-seafood-market-in-wuhan-closed-on-january-1-after-it-was-found-to-be-the-most-likely-starting-point-for-the-outbreak-of-this-coronavirus-called-2019-ncov-1 The outbreaks of both the Wuhan coronavirus and SARS likely started in Chinese wet markets. Photos show what the markets look like.]", ''Business Insider''</ref>

CNN kept the ball rolling for Chinese propagandists reporting that previous coronavirus outbreaks include SARS-CoV in 2002-2003 and MERS-CoV in 2012. Both of these strains originated in bats. SARS was transferred to humans through a masked palm civet, presumably in a Chinese wet market. MERS was transferred through a camel in Saudi Arabia. The protein codes in the Wuhan virus are most similar to those found in snakes, so it is possible that the virus jumped to humans from a snake. Snakes often hunt bats for food, but disease rarely transmits from a warm-blooded animal to a cold-blooded animal.<ref>"[https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/22/health/snakes-wuhan-coronavirus-outbreak-conversation-partner/index.html Snakes could be the source of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak]," CNN, January 24, 2020.</ref>

== Blood-clotting ==

[[COVID-19]] has reportedly caused increased blood clotting, which can cause strokes or heart attacks.<ref>https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/covid19-stroke-blood-clots-prevent-blood-thinners-virtua-troy-randle-trial-pitt-20210104.html</ref> A participant in one of the [[vaccine]] trials also suffered an unexpected heart attack at age 70, and died.

==See also==
*[[Operation Warp Speed]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{Coronavirus}}
[[Category:Coronavirus]]

Donald Trump

2021-08-09T22:15:18Z

AugustO: He is succeeded by Joe Biden, isn't he?

{{Officeholder
|name=Donald John Trump {{verified}}
|image=Donald Trump official presidential photo.jpg
|party=[[Republican]] (1987–1999, 2009–2011, 2012–present) formerly [[Democrat]] (until 1987, 2001–2009), [[Reform Party|Reform]] (1999–2001), and [[Independent voter|Independent]] (2011–2012)
|spouse=Ivana Trump Marla Maples [[Melania Trump]] (current)
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|grandchildren=9
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:''For his achievements as U.S. President, see [[Donald Trump achievements]].''
:''Donald Trump was [[Conservative of the Year]] in [[Conservative of the Year 2017|2017]] and [[Conservative of the Year 2018|2018]].''
'''Donald John Trump''' (b. [[Queens]], [[New York]], on [[Donald Trump's age|June 14, 1946]]), nicknamed "'''The Donald'''," is the 45th [[President of the United States of America]], as a result of winning the [[2016 presidential election]] as the [[Republican Party]] nominee. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and [[television]] personality. A strong [[conservative]], Trump has [[Donald Trump achievements|achieved much during his presidency]] and advanced many conservative priorities. He has greatly benefited the US energy sector by reducing the energy dependence of the US in the Middle East, helping gasoline prices go down, and encouraging projects such as the Keystone Pipeline. Despite this, he has received more criticism than any U.S. president in history, almost all of which is purely politically motivated.

In the [[United States presidential election, 2020|2020 presidential election]], Trump received at least a record-smashing 74+ million lawful votes, many in the key [[swing states]]. This confirms him as the leader of the [[Republican Party]], indeed the entire nation, for the foreseeable future. Many conservatives who no longer feel they identify with Trump are retiring. This is the most probable cause that at least 25% of Republican senators up in 2022 plan to retire, and many other transitions are occurring among the GOP nationwide.

Trump and his wife Melania tested positive for the [[Wuhan virus]] in early October 2020.<ref>Multiple references:
*[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/01/president-donald-trump-first-lady-melania-trump-test-positive-for-coronavirus/ President Donald Trump, First Lady Melania Trump Test Positive for Coronavirus]
*[https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/519282-president-trump-melania-trump-test-positive-for-covid-19 President Trump, Melania Trump test positive for COVID-19]
*[https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/10/02/breaking-president-trump-and-first-lady-test-positive-for-wuhancoronavirus-n2577338 BREAKING: President Trump and First Lady Test Positive for Wuhan Coronavirus]
*[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-first-lady-test-positive-covid-19-n1241769 Trump, first lady test positive for Covid-19]</ref> The mainstream media have started mocking him, some believing he deserved his positive COVID-19 test; Pence is also vulnerable, since many of his workers have contracted the [[Wuhan coronavirus]]. [[Leftists]] and the [[MSM]] attempted to downplay Trump's experiences with the virus, claiming that the average American would not have received similar medication. Trump's strong leadership against the coronavirus even after falling ill to it himself shocked many.

==Financial worth & education==
Trump has engaged in many financial pursuits and estimated that his net worth was $10 billion, as of July 2015.<ref>LoGiurato, Brett (July 25, 2015). [https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-net-worth-2015-7 "We finally know a lot more about Donald Trump's 'massive' net worth"]. Business Insider website.</ref> ''Forbes'', however, estimates his net worth is $3.1 billion as of 2019.<ref>[https://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-trump/ "The world's most powerful people: #2 Donald Trump"]. (March 6, 2017). Forbes.com website.</ref> He graduated from the New York Military Academy in 1964 and first attended college at [[Fordham University]] for two years before transferring to the more competitive [[University of Pennsylvania]] and completing his undergraduate studies at its Wharton School of Finance and Commerce. In September 2020, the [[New York Times]] reported on Donald Trump engaging in tax avoidance. It was claimed that his tax avoidance dates back to the 1990s.

Early media profiles of Trump claim he graduated "first in his class" from Wharton.<ref>Whitman, Alden (January 28, 1973). [https://www.nytimes.com/1973/01/28/archives/a-builder-looks-backand-moves-forward-builder-looks-back-but-moves.html "A builder looks back—and moves forward".] ''New York Times''. Retrieved from ''New York Times'' website.</ref> The evidence suggests otherwise and yet Trump has never sought to correct or clarify this potentially significant error.<ref>Geist, William E. (April 8, 1984). [https://www.nytimes.com/1984/04/08/magazine/the-expanding-empire-of-donald-trump.html "The expanding empire of Donald Trump".] ''New York Times Magazine''. Retrieved from ''New York Times'' website.</ref>

==Candidacy==
[[File:2thumb-5-1-300x202.jpg|right|300px|thumb|As Trump rode the escalator to announce his candidacy, polls showed Hillary Clinton's collusion with Russia over the [[Uranium One deal]] was her biggest vulnerability. Deputy Attn. Gen. [[Sally Yates]] was taking steps to ban the Inspector General from oversight of the DOJ-National Security Division and hide [[FISA abuse]].<ref>[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/08/doj-political-surveillance-from-the-irs-in-2011-to-the-fisa-court-in-2016/ DOJ Political Surveillance – From the IRS in 2011 to the FISA Court in 2016], Posted on March 8, 2020 by sundance. theconservativetreehouse.com</ref>]]
On June 16, 2015, he declared his candidacy for the Republican nomination in the [[2016 presidential election]].<ref>Multiple references:
*[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/16/trump-announces-white-house-bid-joins-crowded-gop-field/ "Trump announces White House bid, joins crowded GOP field"] (June 16, 2015). Fox News website/Politics. The front-runner in a record-breaking field of 17 [[Republican]] candidates, Trump announced that he did not anticipate "throwing punches" against his rivals in the first GOP debate.
*Chiacu, Donna and Torbati, Yeganeh (August 2, 2015). [https://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/02/us-usa-election-debate-idUSKCN0Q70NI20150802 "Trump says won't be 'throwing punches' in U.S. Republican debate"]. Reuters/Politics. But at the debate the [[Fox News Channel]]—particularly its [[feminist]] non-journalist [[Megyn Kelly]]—ambushed Trump with out-of-context quotations designed to smear him as somehow being anti-women. This ignited a national controversy that lasted for days, and Trump called upon Kelly to apologize, which she refused to do.</ref> Unlike most other U.S presidential candidates, Trump sharply criticizes the media and talks about issues that no elected official dares touch. For example, Trump stands up against [[feminists]], unlike most politicians. In another example, in 2011 Trump persistently doubted whether [[Barack Obama]] had been born in the [[United States]], which caused Obama's approval ratings to drop below 40% until Obama finally caved in to Trump and produced what Obama claimed was his birth certificate. Trump then scoffed at Obama's conduct.

'''''In February 2011, Trump announced that he is [[pro-life]], and at the final presidential debate on Oct. 19, 2016, Trump gave the strongest endorsement of the pro-life position of any presidential nominee in history'''''.

Trump's central campaign theme has been to oppose [[illegal immigration]] and [[free trade]], and nominated Senator [[Jeff Sessions]] as [[Attorney General]] to enforce standing legislation on the issue. As reported by [[Breitbart News Network|Breitbart]], "Sen. Sessions, Chairman of the Senate’s Immigration Subcommittee, is widely regarded as the gold standard on immigration. Sessions has also become the intellectual thought leader in the Republican Party on appealing to the blue collar voters who have been abandoned by their political leaders." <ref>Hahn, Julia (August 14, 2015). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/14/game-change-trump-consults-with-sen-jeff-sessions-on-immigration-strategy/ "Game change: Trump consults with Sen Jeff Sessions on immigration strategy"]. Breitbart website/Big government.</ref> In the later campaign Trump focused more on [[ISIS]] and terrorism.

At the final presidential debate between [[Hillary Clinton]] and Trump on October 19, 2016, Clinton chastised Trump for running a newspaper advertisement in 1987 critical of the [[Reagan Administration]]. But Trump persuasively explained that he has always disagreed with Reagan's support of free trade, as many other [[conservatives]] disagree with Reagan on this issue.

==Religious beliefs==
:{{Main|Donald Trump's religious views|Donald Trump and evangelicals}}
Donald Trump attended the First [[Presbyterian]] Church in Jamaica, [[Queens]]. He told the [[Christian Broadcasting Network]] that he still considers himself a [[Presbyterian]] and attends services for all major holidays and Sundays, and that "The [[Bible]] is certainly THE book." He receives Bibles from fans in the mail, and he either stores them or gives them away to others.<ref>Haberman, Maggie (April 11, 2011). [https://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52942.html "Donald Trump talks about religion"]. Politico website.</ref>

In July 2015, Trump stated in an interview that "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"<ref>Nothstine, Ray (July 23, 2015). [http://www.christianpost.com/news/trump-why-do-i-have-to-repent-or-ask-for-forgiveness-if-i-am-not-making-mistakes-video-141856/ Trump: 'Why Do I Have to Repent or Ask for Forgiveness If I Am Not Making Mistakes?' (Video)]. ''The Christian Post''. Retrieved March 13, 2017.</ref> He also stated that "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."<ref>Scott, Eugene (July 18, 2015). [https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/ Trump believes in God, but hasn't sought forgiveness]. ''CNN''. Retrieved December 4, 2016.</ref> January 2016, Trump stated that "I have a great relationship with God," but that "I don’t like to have to ask for forgiveness."<ref>Key, Pam (January 17, 2016). [https://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/01/17/trump-i-dont-like-to-have-to-ask-for-forgiveness-from-god/ Trump: ‘I Don’t Like to Have to Ask for Forgiveness’ from God]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved March 13, 2017.</ref> When confronted by [[Cal Thomas]] in an interview in mid 2016 about his not asking God for forgiveness, Trump stated that he would ask God for forgiveness.<ref>Chumley, Cheryl (August 6, 2016). [https://www.wnd.com/2016/06/trump-answers-question-who-do-you-say-jesus-is/ Trump answers question: 'Who do you say Jesus is?] ''WorldNetDaily''. Retrieved March 13, 2017.</ref> In October 2016, [[Ben Carson]] stated that Trump did ask forgiveness from God with [[James Robison]].<ref>Showalter, Brandon (October 10, 2016). [http://www.christianpost.com/news/ben-carson-donald-trump-asked-god-for-forgiveness-prayed-with-james-robison-170650/ Ben Carson: Donald Trump Asked God for Forgiveness, Prayed With James Robison]. ''The Christian Post''. Retrieved March 13, 2017.</ref>

According to exit polling in the 2016 election, Trump won 81 percent of evangelical Christians compared to 16 percent for Clinton, a record high and even more than [[George W. Bush]] won in 2004, showing strong support for Trump from evangelical Christians.<ref name="townhall.com">O'Brien, Cortney (November 12, 2016). [https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/11/12/white-evangelical-voters-showed-up-this-time-n2243931 Evangelical Voters Showed Up Big Time For Trump]. ''Townhall''. Retrieved December 8, 2016.</ref><ref name="wsj.com">Lovett, Ian (November 9, 2016). [https://www.wsj.com/articles/evangelicals-back-donald-trump-in-record-numbers-despite-earlier-doubts-1478689372 Evangelicals Back Donald Trump in Record Numbers, Despite Earlier Doubts]. ''The Wall Street Journal''. Retrieved December 8, 2016.</ref> He was the first sitting American president to address the annual Values Voters Conference in Washington.<ref>https://www.npr.org/2017/10/13/557459193/trump-set-to-address-values-voter-summit-for-first-time-as-president</ref>

==Career==
[[File:Trump business.jpg|right]]
Donald Trump began his career at [[Trump Organization]]. In his college years, he helped revitalize one of his father's failing real estate ventures. Trump began opening hotels and casinos, which provided him with the cash flow to engage in other ventures. He owns the world-famous [[Trump Tower]] and is the founder of the publicly traded Trump Hotel Casinos & Resorts. Trump also owns the Trump brand, which sells a variety of items, such as bottled water, steak, and even mortgages. Trump has authored a number of books and weathered changing business fortunes, but despite the challenges that he has encountered, he has continued to be a successful businessman and entrepreneur.

Trump [[Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2000|ran unsuccessfully]] for the nomination of the [[Reform Party]] in 2000. Trump considered [[presidential election 2012|running for president in 2012]] as a [[Republican]]. He, among others, questioned the citizenship of [[Barack Obama]], citing his failure to produce his birth certificate. After Obama produced his birth certificate, Trump and the other [[birther]]s continue to doubt its authenticity. Obama's approval ratings were around 40% during the peak of the controversy. Trump later exited the race, and gave the customary endorsement to [[Mitt Romney]] as the other [[Republican]] contenders did.

==Major properties==

*Trump World Tower: 845 United Nations Plaza, New York, NY.

*Trump Tower: 725 Fifth Ave, New York, NY 10022 Personal Residence

*Bank of America Center (San Francisco)

*The Trump Building at 40 Wall Street

*Trump Park Avenue

*AXA Financial Center, 1290 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY

*Trump International Hotel & Tower:
**New York
**Chicago
**Washington D.C.
**Las Vegas

*Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida (used by Trump as his "Winter White House".)

*Trump Winery - Charlottesville, Virginia

*14 golf courses (11 in the U.S., 3 in Europe - the course in Bedminster, New Jersey is used by Trump as his "Summer White House")

==Media==
[[File:Donald Trump star.JPG|thumbnail|right|Hollywood Walk of Fame]]
For his contributions to the gaming and entertainment industry, Trump was inducted into the Gaming Hall of Fame in 1995.

In 2003 Trump began as the host and executive producer of the reality [[television]] show ''The Apprentice'' and ''The Celebrity Apprentice'', where contestants compete for a position in Trump's organization. On this show, Trump popularized his catchphrase "You're fired!" Trump received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in 2007 following the success of ''The Apprentice''. However, since he became president, Trump's star as been periodically vandalized by liberal political critics.<ref>Press Association (April 8, 2016). [http://www.onenewspage.com/video/20160408/4211707/Donald-Trump-Hollywood-Walk-of-Fame-Star.htm "Donald Trump's Hollywood Walk of Fame Star vandalised three times a day"].</ref>

Trump is also a noted fan of [[WWE]], and has been a part of some of their shows. Trump was inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame in 2013.

In 2016, following winning the presidential election, Trump was named Person of the Year by [[Time Magazine]].

Trump used to own the Miss Universe and Miss USA pageants. Controversy arose when Miss USA 2006 Tara Conner was caught breaking pageant rules by drinking and other activities. Trump gave her a second chance after personally speaking with her and allowed her to retain her crown as she attended rehabilitation. For several weeks after this, [[Rosie O'Donnell]] berated Trump for his decision on ''The View''. A bitter media war ensued with the two exchanging insults.

Trump has made many guest appearances, usually as himself, on many TV shows and in several movies.

==Political positions==

====Coronavirus Pandemic====
President Trump deferred heavily to [[Hillary Clinton]]-supporter Anthony Fauci, a [[Deep State]] bureaucrat in the [[National Institutes of Health]], in responding to the [[coronavirus]] pandemic in early 2020. Trump rejected the advice of [[White House]] official Peter Navarro to take early action cutting off travel from [[China]], and to make [[hydroxychloroquine]] widely available.

Trump's polls numbers plummeted largely because of his deference to Fauci and unwillingness to take the advice of Navarro. John Fleming, an adviser to Chief of Staff [[Mark Meadows]], also misled Trump by denying the benefits of widespread access to hydroxychloroquine, as other countries have done to defeat [[COVID-19]].

====Social Issues====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Religious liberty and LGBT|Donald Trump achievements: Abortion|Donald Trump achievements: Healthcare, welfare, and other social issues}}
[[File:Donald-Trump-Rosa-Parks.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Donald Trump received the Ellis Island Medal of Honor from the National Ethnic Coalition of Organizations in 1986 for improving the lives of African-American urban youths. From left to right: [[Anita Bryant]], [[Muhammad Ali]], [[Rosa Parks]], and Donald Trump.]]
At the 2011 [[CPAC]] conference, Trump announced he is [[pro-life]].<ref>Rahn, Will (February 10, 2011). [https://dailycaller.com/2011/02/10/trump-at-cpac-points-to-white-house-run/ "Trump at CPAC points to White House run"]. The Daily Caller website.</ref> Trump would not fund Planned Parenthood and the government should not give funds to any organizations that perform abortions<ref>Carroll, Lauren (May 1, 2016) [https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/01/ted-cruz/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-planned-parenthood/ "Do Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton agree on Planned Parenthood funding?"] Politifact website.</ref> However, he supports abortion in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother or child.<ref>Ertelt, Steven (February 1, 2016). [https://www.lifenews.com/2016/02/01/mike-huckabee-defends-donald-trumps-abortion-conversion-he-is-pro-life-now/ "Mike Huckabee defends Donald Trump’s abortion conversion: 'He is pro-life now'"] LifeNews.com.</ref>

Trump says that the legalization of [[same-sex "marriage"]] doesn't matter because it's "settled law" now,<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20120831060550/http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_We/#Item3 "Republican platform: We believe in America"] (bef. August 31, 2012). GOP.com website. Archived at Internet Archive on August 31, 2012.</ref> even though five liberal members of the Supreme Court illegally made ''[[Obergefell v. Hodges]]'' into "law" via [[judicial activism]] based on their personal feelings about the issue. Trump believes that homosexual couples have the same adoption rights as straight couples.<ref>Guo, Jeff (August 10, 2016). [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/10/how-donald-trump-is-slowly-teaching-republicans-to-embrace-gay-rights/ "Donald Trump is teaching the GOP a different way to embrace gay rights".] ''Washington Post'' website.</ref> Despite what the Left claims, Donald Trump has voiced open support for the LGBTQ community, and was the first Republican president to do so.{{cn}} He has stated that he will do everything he can do to protect the LGBTQ community, from Islamic extremists.

Trump says that a business should be able to deny service to a customer if the request conflicts with the owner's religious beliefs?<ref name="christiantoday.com">Hicap, Jonah (June 2, 2015). [http://www.christiantoday.com/article/donald.trump.vows.to.be.the.greatest.representative.of.christians.if.he.wins.white.house/55023.htm "Donald Trump: 'I will be the greatest representative of Christians if I win the White House'"]. Christian Today website.</ref> Trump would not require health insurance providers to offer free birth control.<ref>Associated Press (February 11, 2012). [https://web.archive.org/web/20151128095810/http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-02-11/obama-birth-control-cpac/53046728/1 "GOP conservatives unite against birth control coverage"]. ''USA Today'' website/News/Washington. Retrieved from November 28, 2015 archive at Internet Archive.</ref>

Trump doesn't think that universities should provide “trigger warnings” and “safe spaces” for students.<ref>Hashmi, Siraj (November 10, 2016). [http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/11/10/safe-spaces-handed-election-donald-trump/ "Safe Spaces handed the election to Donald Trump"]. Red Alert Politics website.</ref>

Trump believes that marital rape be classified and punished as severely as non-marital rape.<ref>Diamond, Jeremy (July 28, 2015). [https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/politics/donald-trump-adviser-michael-cohen-rape/ "Trump distances himself from top aide's rape comment"]. CNN website/Politics.</ref>

Trump would not add "Gender Identity" to anti-discrimination laws.<ref>http://www.advocate.com/politics/2016/5/24/donald-trump-claims-accommodating-transgender-people-too-expensive</ref>

Trump wouldn't support a [[separation of church and state]] by removing references to God on money, federal buildings, and national monuments.<ref name="christiantoday.com"/>

Trump says that after a psychological examination to show they fully understand this choice, terminally ill patients be allowed to end their lives via [[assisted suicide]].<ref>http://wingspanonline.net/?p=2398</ref>

Trump supports the [[death penalty]].<ref>https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/01/nyregion/angered-by-attack-trump-urges-return-of-the-death-penalty.html</ref>

Trump thinks that the military should allow women to serve as long as they can pass the same physical tests as men.<ref>https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/donald-trump-women-combat-tricky/2015/12/06/id/704736/</ref> (Compare [[gender norming]].)

Trump says that board members of a business should be the most qualified regardless of gender.<ref>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3269718/Trump-gives-young-feminist-brush-equal-pay-abortion-going-make-good-job-happen-pro-life.html</ref>

Trump does not believe that the government can show a confederate flag on public property.<ref>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-tees-off-on-the-confederate-flag/</ref>

Trump believes that women should be allowed to wear a Niqāb, or face veil, to civic ceremonies.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFVCZhFsNR8</ref>

====Healthcare Issues====
Trump does not support the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) and would open the markets so insurers can compete across state lines and reduce costs.<ref name="donaldjtrump.com">https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform</ref><ref name=Educ>Breitbart.tv (February 9, 2011). [https://www.breitbart.com/video/2011/02/09/pro-life-donald-trump-would-eliminate-dept-of-education-impose-25-tax-on-china-imports-if-president/ "Pro-life Donald Trump would eliminate Dept of Education, impose 25% tax on China imports if president"]. Breitbart.com.</ref> However, he has also said, "I like the mandate."<ref>[https://dailycaller.com/2016/02/19/trump-on-obamacare-i-like-the-mandate-video/ "Trump On Obamacare: ‘I Like The Mandate’"]</ref>

Trump thinks that the government should regulate the prices of life-saving drugs.<ref>https://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/trump-backs-
medicare-negotiating-drug-prices-218215</ref>

Trump supports the legalization of marijuana for medical use.<ref>https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2015/06/18/exclusive-donald-trump-on-what-made-him-run-for-president-on-hannity/</ref>

''Donald Trump has not yet answered if he supports the privatization of veteran's healthcare.''

Trump believes that the federal government increase funding of health care for low income individuals (Medicaid).<ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-15/trump-calls-for-expanded-medicaid-birth-control-without-doctor</ref>

====Controversy with Barack Obama====
[[File:Donald Trump Speaking in Fountain Hills.jpg|thumb|Trump speaking in Fountain Hills, Arizona in March 2016.]]
Trump has also questioned Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to be president, in light of the ongoing questions surrounding his birth certificate.<ref>[https://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=280533 "Trump: Obama spending millions to hide his past"] (March 28, 2011). WorldNetDaily website.</ref> Trump questioned whether the Obama Administration was successful in negotiating with foreign countries. Trump declared during the 2016 election that he no longer would question Obama's eligibility.

====Economic Issues====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Economic policy and labor|MAGAnomics}}
Trump's economic plan is designed to make the country more competitive by implementing policies that apply to all companies: cutting taxes, including the corporate tax rate, repealing and rolling back stifling regulations, including the biggest of them all, Obamacare and those clobbering the energy sector, renegotiating trade deals such as NAFTA, and killing off the nascent [[Trans-Pacific Partnership]].<ref>Crowley, Monica (December 7, 2016). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/7/donald-trump-and-the-art-of-getting-it-done/ Donald Trump and the art of getting it done]. ''The Washingon Times''. Retrieved December 10, 2016.</ref>

Trump would not require employers be required to pay men and women the same salary for the same job as there are too many other variables such as education, experience, and tenure that determine a fair salary.

''Trump has not answered whether welfare recipients be tested for drugs.''

Trump said he would require businesses be required to provide paid leave for full-time employees during the birth of a child or sick family member.

Trump would raise the federal minimum wage.

Trump believes there should be more restrictions on current welfare benefits.

Trump would instate a 35% tariff on all imports from China even though he used Chinese steel to build all of his Trump Towers.<ref>http://www.newsweek.com/how-donald-trump-ditched-us-steel-workers-china-505717</ref>

Trump would also lower the corporate tax rate.<ref>https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/an-america-first-economic-plan-winning-the-global-competition</ref>

Trump says that the U.S. shouldn't continue to participate in the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).<ref>https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/16/news/economy/donald-trump-nafta-mexico-china-tariff/</ref>

Trump would cut public spending in order to reduce the public debt.<ref>https://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/donald-trump-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues/</ref>

Trump believes that the government is currently over-regulating private businesses and that it shouldn't require businesses to pay salaried employees, making up to $46k/year, time-and-a-half for overtime hours.<ref>https://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-shift/2016/08/trump-v-overtime-rule-215883</ref>

Trump thinks that the government should prevent “mega mergers” of corporations that could potentially control a large percentage of market share within its industry.<ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-22/trump-would-block-proposed-at-t-time-warner-merger-if-elected</ref>

Trump said that labor unions, in theory help the economy but have recently become corrupt and should have their powers limited.<ref>http://projects.newsday.com/opinion/newsday-editorial-board-interviews-donald-trump/#nypd</ref>

Trump would increase the tax on profits from the sale of stocks, bonds, and real estate.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4I5QUGRf-Q&feature=youtu.be</ref>

Trump believes economic stimulus will aid the country during times of recession.<ref>https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/us/politics/trump-clinton-infrastructure.html?_r=0</ref>

Trump thinks the Federal Reserve Bank should be audited by Congress.<ref>https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-trump-fed-idUSL1N12Y1ZG20151103</ref>

Trump doesn't support the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) as this will incentivize companies to move U.S. jobs overseas.<ref>https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/us/politics/transcript-of-the-republican-presidential-debate-in-new-hampshire.html</ref>

Trump would eliminate the [[estate tax]].<ref>https://thehill.com/policy/finance/290825-clinton-to-criticize-trumps-plan-to-repeal-the-estate-tax</ref>

Trump would end all government subsidies and let the free market run its course.<ref>http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/17cfa1a0-0b9e-11e5-a06e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3e0UlsdmX</ref>

''Trump has not answered if pension payments be increased for retired government workers.''

Trump favors an increased sales tax in order to reduce property taxes even though sales tax would not provide a steady stream of income.<ref>http://www.taxjusticeblog.org/archive/2015/06/donald_trumps_regressive_and_r.php#.VYr8_hNViko</ref>

Trump supports pension plans for federal, state, and local government workers be transitioned into privately managed accounts.<ref name="donaldjtrump.com"/>

Trump said that the U.S. government should not bailout Puerto Rico.<ref>http://mms.tveyes.com/PlaybackPortal.aspx?SavedEditID=c89b639c-07de-4a0f-a634-dda08e3de95a</ref>

Trump believes citizens should not be allowed to save or invest their money in offshore bank accounts as too many wealthy citizens are abusing loopholes in offshore banking laws to evade taxes.<ref>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-puts-his-money-in-companies-that-stash-cash-abroad/</ref>

Trump would not apply an in-state sales tax apply to online purchases of in-state buyers from out-of-state sellers.<ref>http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ce65fe3f0bbd43c19cf17c5c8da8d958/trump-amazons-bezos-uses-washington-post-avoid-taxes</ref>

Trump thinks that the government classify Bitcoin as a legal currency.<ref>https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/trump-presidency-boost-bitcoin-price/</ref>

====Department of Education====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Education}}
At the 2011 [[CPAC]] conference, he stated that he wants to eliminate the Department of Education.<ref name=Educ/>

====Foreign policy====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Foreign policy}}
Donald Trump is a [[nationalism|nationalist]] who promised to "put America first"<ref>[https://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/07/trump-touts-new-infrastructure-plan-cincinnati-states-america-first-message 'It's Time Finally to Put America First': Trump Touts New Infrastructure Plan]</ref> (See: [[Donald Trump and nationalism]]). At the same time, in April 2017, he stated that "I’m a nationalist and a globalist."<ref>Starr, Penny (April 28, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/28/trump-im-a-nationalist-and-a-globalist/ Trump: ‘I’m a Nationalist and a Globalist’]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved January 10, 2018.</ref>

In July 2015 Trump explained he wants to improve relationships with [[Russia]]n president [[Vladimir Putin]].<ref>Johnson, Simon (July 31, 2015). [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11775145/Donald-Trump-Id-get-on-very-well-with-Putin-if-I-were-president.html "Donald Trump: I'd get on 'very well' with Putin if I were president"]. The Telegraph [U.K.] website.</ref> Many left-wingers accused Trump's presidential campaign of "colluding" with [[Russia]]. However the Trump Administration took several tough actions against Russia, including some that even the Obama Administration avoided.<ref>Berger, Judson (December 26, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/26/trump-administration-ends-2017-confronting-russia-after-year-collusion-accusations.html Trump administration ends 2017 confronting Russia after year of collusion accusations]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved December 26, 2017.</ref> In an interview with [[ABC]] he said that Putin won't make a military move into [[Ukraine]]. Furthermore, Trump argued in a tweet that the conflict over [[Crimea]] was the fault of the Obama administration.<ref>[https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/31/politics/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-crimea-putin/ Trump says Putin is 'not going to go into Ukraine,' despite Crimea]</ref> Trump later accused Russia of taking [[Crimea]] by force and asked whether Obama was too soft on Russia.<ref>[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-russia-latest-tweet-accuse-crimea-obama-too-soft-distance-campaign-team-white-house-a7581511.html Donald Trump accuses Russia of taking Crimea by force in attempt to distance himself from campaign allegations]</ref>

Trump said that the [[Iran nuclear deal]] is bad and as president, he kept his promise by withdrawing from it.

After his election as U.S. president, [[Israel]]i prime minister [[Benjamin Netanyahu]] called Trump "a true friend of the State of Israel."<ref>[https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/netanyahu-trump-israel-true-friend-231094?lo=ap_c4 Netanyahu calls Trump 'a true friend' of Israel]. ''Politico''. November 9, 2016. Retrieved November 12, 2016.</ref> On February 2, 2017, Trump stated that building new settlements in the [[West Bank]] "may not be helpful" to achieving peace in the [[Middle East]], and he appeared to shift his formerly strong stance on moving the U.S. embassy to [[Jerusalem]] as he had previously stated.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/03/trump-to-israel-settlements-may-not-help-achieve-peace-in-middle-east.html Trump to Israel: Settlements ‘may not help’ achieve peace in the Middle East]. ''Fox News''. February 3, 2017. Retrieved February 5, 2017.</ref> But on December 6, 2017, Trump announced that the U.S. officially recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and that the U.S. would begin the process of moving the U.S. Embassy from [[Tel Aviv]] to Jerusalem.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://server5.kproxy.com/servlet/redirect.srv/saun/sncfausiyyo/sqrs/p2/the-press-office/2017/12/06/president-donald-j-trumps-proclamation-jerusalem-capital-state-israel|title=President Donald J. Trump's Proclamation on Jerusalem as the Capital of the State of Israel |publisher=White House|accessdate=6 December 2017|date=6 December 2017}}</ref> Trump in 2019 also gave official U.S. recognition to the [[Golan Heights]] as being part of Israel. In recognition for his support of Israel, a plaza in Jerusalem was named for Trump ("Donald Trump Square"), as well as a settlement in the Golan Heights ("Trump Heights")

Trump had criticized [[NATO]] for not fulfilling its financial obligations, going so far as declaring the organization "obsolete", but in April 2017 - after getting promises from NATO partners to make increased financial contributions - Trump retracted the obsolete declaration.<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/news/the-latest-trump-says-nato-no-longer-obsolete/ The Latest: Trump says NATO ‘no longer obsolete’]. ''Breitbart News'' (from the ''Associated Press''). Retrieved April 21, 2017.</ref><ref>Hagen, Lisa (April 21, 2017). [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/328558-trump-nato-is-no-longer-obsolete Trump: NATO is ‘no longer obsolete’]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved April 21, 2017.</ref>

Immediately after taking office, Trump had exchanged vitriolic rhetoric with and made threats to North Korea after the latter carried out numerous medium/long-range missile tests and a nuclear test in September 2017. However, in March 2018, Trump announced he would hold a summit with North Korea Chairman Kim Jong Un, making him the first U.S. president to have bilateral talks with a North Korean leader. The first summit was held in Singapore in June 2018, a second in Hanoi in February 2019, and a third informal summit in the Korean Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) in June 2019 - during which he became the first sitting U.S. president to step foot on North Korean soil. During the period of the summits, North Korea had halted testing of long/medium-range missiles, as well as nuclear testing (and outside of a few short-range missiles in early May 2019, North Korea hasn't tested any weapons since November 2017.)

On Monday, 7 October 2019, Trump ordered American military forces to withdraw from northern Syria in case Turkish forces and their allies would attack them, meaning the predominantly Syrian Kurdish ''SDF'' (''Syrian Democratic Force'') would not have direct U.S. military support. This decision came after a telephone conversation with Turkish ruler [[Recep Tayyip Erdoğan]] on Sunday,<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/turkey-announces-incursion-of-northeast-syria-us-backed-kurds-have-vowed-all-out-war Trump pulls back troops from northern Syria ahead of Turkish assault, Pentagon officials 'blindsided']</ref> and Turkish forces soon began advancing into northern Syria to create a buffer zone.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-syria-invasion-ground-forces-civilians-dead Turkey announces northern Syria invasion of ground forces; multiple civilians reported dead]</ref><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUeXaPaKF50 Why Turkey is invading Syria]</ref> In the same week it was announced that it is planned by the U.S. administration to send 1,500 troops to the Middle East because of the tensions between [[Saudi-Arabia]] and [[Iran]].<ref>[https://video.foxnews.com/v/6040831354001/ President Trump plans to send 1,500 US troops to the Middle East]</ref> President Erdogan visited the White House on November 13, 2019.<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/13/donald-trump-im-a-big-fan-of-turkish-president-recep-tayyip-erdogan/ Donald Trump: ‘I’m a Big Fan’ of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan]</ref>

====Global warming====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Energy and environmental policy}}
Trump does not believe in the [[Climate Change]] hysteria, once stating the "Nobel committee should take the [[Nobel Prize]] back from [[Al Gore]]."

====Second Amendment rights====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Gun rights}}
Trump is strongly pro-[[Second Amendment]] and against [[leftist]] [[gun control]] and gun free zones. As president, Trump has promised to re-arm military personnel on all American military bases as well as [[ROTC]] recruitment centers, which were disarmed by the [[Clinton Administration]] policy.<ref name=Educ/> Trump was strongly endorsed by the [[National Rifle Association]] in one of its earliest endorsements in an election campaign.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/20/nra-to-endorse-trump.html# Trump wins NRA endorsement, blasts Clinton on gun stance at forum]. ''Fox News''. May 20, 2016. Retrieved October 22, 2016.</ref>

====Homosexual agenda====
For all practical purposes, Trump seems to be on the side of the [[homosexual agenda]]. He supports the creation of new law by the [[U.S. Supreme Court]], as in a new right to [[homosexual marriage]], and declares it the "law of the land" even though Congress passed no such law.

Trump has attended multiple [[same-sex marriage]] ceremonies{{Citation needed}}, but has also said in the past that he opposes same-sex marriage. Trump's views are not yet known on other aspects of the [[homosexual agenda]], such as whether Trump would ban [[conversion therapy]] for minors as [[Chris Christie]] did. The [[Fox News Channel]] debate in August avoided these issues.

====Immigration====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Immigration and border security}}
See the discussion in the introduction above. This is Trump's main campaign issue.

A central part of his immigration plan is to build a giant wall on the border with Mexico. Trump estimates it will cost $8 billion, approximately 35 to 40 feet high and stretch 2000 miles.<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/09/donald-trump-the-wall-is-probably-8-billion Trump Border Wall]</ref> During the campaign, Trump promised that Mexico will pay for the wall, but after taking office, he clarified that payment could be in the form of a tax on Mexican imports or other revenues measures after the Mexican government showed opposition towards Trump's plan.

Trump has also proposed to temporarily ban [[Muslims]] from entering the United States, until "our leaders figure out what the hell is going on," in order to protect Americans from the threats posed by [[Islamic]] [[refugee]]s (and those pretending to be<ref>[http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/isis-fighters-infiltrating-syrian-refugees-uk-is-warned/article/2572051 ISIS fighters infiltrating Syrian refugees, UK is warned]</ref>) entering the country.<ref>[http://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/donald-trump-insists-muslim-ban-is-about-safety-not-religion Donald Trump Insists Muslim Ban Is About Safety, Not Religion]</ref>

Efforts have been made by hostile journalists to paint Trump as advocating a [[Muslim registry]], but what he actually proposed was a [[database for Syrian refugees]].

====Political contributions====
He has been criticized for his substantial contributions to [[Democrat]] lawmakers; the majority of those lawmakers are located in the states he resides in: New York and Florida. The amount he has donated since 2008 is $25,000, which is insignificant considering his wealth.<ref>Allin, Olivia (April 30, 2011). [http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Donald-Trump-calls-nations-leaders-stupid-people-and-blood-sucking-politicians/8104644 "OTRC: Donald Trump calls nation's leaders 'stupid people' and 'blood-sucking politicians'"]. OnTheRedCarpet [news]. Retrieved from ABC7 [KABC Television, Los Angeles] website.</ref>

Trump is not known to be beholden to any big-money donors.

====Tariffs====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Trade policy}}
[[File:Donald Trump RNC July 2016.jpg|thumb|Trump accepting the GOP nomination in Cleveland on June 21, 2016.]]
At the 2011 [[CPAC]] conference, he stated that he supports a 25% tariff on Chinese goods.<ref name=Educ/> The number floated around in 2016 is a 45% tariff. Trump was speaking in regards to China and the [[World Trade Organization]],<ref>[https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-finance-ministerlou-jiwei-takes-aim-at-donald-trumps-trade-policies-1460892988 Chinese Finance Minister Lou Jiwei Takes Aim at Donald Trump’s Trade Policies, WallStreetJournal, April 17, 2016]</ref>

{{cquote|In a statement from his campaign, Mr. Trump charged that [[China]] was “in total violation of WTO regulations” and that the U.S. “has incompetently allowed them to get away with this” and has failed to impose “equal or greater taxes and tariffs” on China. If he is elected president, Mr. Trump said, China “will learn to deal fairly and justly or we will not deal at all” with Beijing.}}

====Vaccines====
Trump believes that [[vaccines]] cause [[autism]]<ref>Ferris, Sarah (September 16, 2015). [https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/253980-trump-links-vaccines-to-autism-epidemic "Trump links vaccines to autism 'epidemic'"]. The Hill website/Policy/Healthcare.</ref> and has argued against requiring that so many vaccines be given to infants.

==== Eminent domain====
Trump believes that the government has the right to take [[private property]] upon paying just compensation for both infrastructure and to promote economic development.

==== Supreme Court====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: The courts}}
Trump opposed filling the Supreme Court seat held by [[Antonin Scalia]] before the next President takes office. When asked who he might select to the Supreme Court, he said that his sister, a sitting federal court judge, would make a great Supreme Court justice.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://server5.kproxy.com/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/sfothrfaqegbnvj/suvw/p2/corner/423196/trump-praises-his-sister-pro-abortion-extremist-judge-ramesh-ponnuru|title=Trump Praises His Sister, a Pro-Abortion Extremist Judge|date=Aug 27, 2015|accessdate=February 21, 2016}}</ref>

===Hillary Clinton===
Trump had pledged, if elected president, to appoint a special prosecutor to further investigate [[Hillary Clinton]]'s use of a private email server whilst Secretary of State, but Hillary took her crushing defeat so hard that Trump charitably softened his stance after winning.<ref>[https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-investigation.html Donald Trump Drops Threat of New Hillary Clinton Investigation] New York Times - Nov. 22, 2016</ref> A few of Trump supporters, such as [[Ann Coulter]] and [[Breitbart]], expressed disappointment but Trump rose in overall public approval.<ref>[https://www.newsmax.com/Politics/ann-coulter-slams-trump-clinton/2016/11/22/id/760220/ Ann Coulter Slams Trump's Decision on Clinton] Newsmax.com - Nov. 22, 2016</ref><ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/11/23/peter-schweizer-letting-hillary-off-hook-definition-rigged-system/ Peter Schweizer: Letting Hillary off the Hook Is ‘Definition of a Rigged System’] Breitbart.com - Nov. 23, 2016</ref>

==2016 presidential election==
[[File:Donald Trump (29273256122) Phoenix.jpg|thumb|250px|Donald Trump on August 31, 2016.]]
{{See also|2016 U.S. presidential election|Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition}}
===Path to the Nomination===
In the 2015 [[Value Voters Debate|Value Voters]] poll, Trump performed poorly, coming in fifth, indicating many [[Christian]] [[conservatives]] had not yet warmed up to him.<ref>Flores, Reena (September 26, 2015). [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-conservative-poll-donald-trump-could-not-win/ "The conservative poll Donald Trump could not win"]. CBSNews website.</ref> Trump is a big supporter of [[gambling]], which most Christians, other religious groups, and [[conservatives]] oppose. But by 2016 Trump was winning more support from [[evangelical]]s than any other Republican candidate.

Trump won the Republican primary, receiving more votes than any other Republican primary candidate in history.<ref>Hoft, Joe (June 7, 2016). [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/trump-trumps-wins-historic-race-record-fashion/ HISTORY! Trump Shatters Republican Primary Vote Record by 1.4 Million Votes]. ''The Gateway Pundit''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref>

===General election===
Trump faced former liberal Democrat Secretary of State [[Hillary Clinton]] in the general election. Trump's campaign was vastly outspent, outraised, and out-staffed by Clinton's.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/10/more-with-less-trumps-lean-machine-beats-clintons-big-bank-account.html More With Less: Trump's lean machine beats Clinton's big bank account]. ''Fox News''. November 10, 2016. Retrieved November 11, 2016.</ref> The [[mainstream media]] was extremely biased against and unfair towards Trump.<ref>Kurtz, Howard (November 11, 2016). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/11/media-remain-hostile-to-donald-trump-even-as-some-pundits-admit-blew-it.html Media remain hostile to Donald Trump even as some pundits admit they blew it]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved November 11, 2016.</ref><ref>[https://www.billoreilly.com/b/Media-Bias-to-the-Extreme/39285014073786148.html Media Bias to the Extreme]. ''BillOReilly.com''. November 11, 2016. Retrieved November 12, 2016.</ref> According to a study, 91% of the media coverage concerning Trump was negative and 96% of campaign contributions from the media went to Clinton.<ref>Bedard, Paul (March 19, 2017). [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/anti-trump-media-91-coverage-negative-96-of-donations-to-hillary/article/2617828 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/anti-trump-media-91-coverage-negative-96-of-donations-to-hillary/article/2617828]. ''Washington Examiner''. Retrieved April 27, 2017.</ref>

It was widely expected that Clinton would easily win the election, and the elite pollsters and "political insiders" all predicted a massive Clinton victory.<ref>Vogel, Kenneth P. & Isenstadt, Alex (November 9, 2016). [https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/how-did-everyone-get-2016-wrong-presidential-election-231036 How did everyone get it so wrong?]. ''Politico''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref><ref>Catanese, David (October 24, 2016). [https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run-2016/articles/2016-10-24/republicans-last-hope-the-polls-are-wrong Republicans’ Last Hope: The Polls Are Wrong]. ''U.S. News & World Report''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref> At least once, when a poll was released that actually showed Trump leading, Clinton's campaign dismissed it as "bad polling".<ref>Nelson, Louis (November 1, 2016). [https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/clinton-campaign-bad-poll-abc-washington-post-230591 Clinton camp on new survey showing Trump ahead: It’s ‘bad polling’]. ''Politico''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref> Instead, Trump won the election in a massive, historical upset, winning even states such as [[Pennsylvania]], [[Michigan]], and [[Wisconsin]], which a Republican had not won for 20–30 years.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/08/first-polls-close-in-2016-race-trump-projected-to-win-ind-ky-clinton-wins-vt.html Trump wins presidency, defeats Clinton in historic election upset]. ''Fox News''. November 8, 2016. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref><ref>Blake, Aaron (November 9, 2016). [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/08/donald-trumps-path-to-victory-is-suddenly-looking-much-much-wider/ Donald Trump just blew up the electoral map]. ''The Washington Post''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref> The predictions were off the mark dramatically. The actual polls themselves were broadly correct showing Clinton leading over Trump by about 2%.<ref>[https://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2017/07/16/latest-job-approval-poll-president-trump-awful]</ref> However Trump 'flipped' key districts and states smashing Clinton's so-called 'Blue firewall'.<ref>Flint, Joe & Alpert, Lukas I. (November 9, 2016). [https://www.wsj.com/articles/bad-polling-in-hand-media-misses-mark-badly-with-election-predictions-1478710860 How the Media’s Election Predictions Badly Missed the Mark]. ''The Wall Street Journal''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref> Trump's election victory was described by ''[[Politico]]'' as "the most stunning upset in American history."<ref>Goldmacher, Shane & Schreckinger, Ben (November 9, 2016). [https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/election-results-2016-clinton-trump-231070?lo=ap_c1 Trump pulls off biggest upset in U.S. history]. ''Politico''. Retrieved November 9, 2016.</ref>

While the GOP increased its vote share across the entire nation, Trump made the largest gains in the rural [[Midwest]] and [[Rust Belt]].<ref>[https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/how-trump-pushed-the-election-map-to-the-right.html How Trump Reshaped the Election Map]. ''The New York Times''. November 9, 2016. Retrieved November 12, 2016.</ref> Although Clinton won the popular vote 65,515,369 (48.05%) to 62,853,327 (46.09%), according to unofficial results, the large vote totals came from states which have resisted voter identification reforms.<ref>[http://www.inquisitr.com/3719036/3-million-illegal-immigrants-voted-gregg-phillips-votestand-donald-trump-final-popular-vote-count-2016-predictions/ 3 Million Illegal Immigrants Voted, Claims Gregg Phillips Of VoteStand: Donald Trump’s Final Popular Vote Count Alleged To Be Better Than 2016 Predictions], Patrick Frye, ''The Inquisitr'', November 15, 2016</ref> Dr. Robert Epstein of the American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology testified before Congress that [[Google]] bias and meddling had shifted "between 2.6 million and up to 10.4 million votes" to Hillary Clinton.<ref>https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/psychologist-google-generated-at-least-2-6-million-votes-for-hillary.php</ref> Trump won the [[electoral college]] vote, 306 to 232, with the incomplete vote count reported.<ref>{{cite news|url=https://server5.kproxy.com/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/swxn/sjkl/p2/election/results|title=Election Results|accessdate=Nov. 12, 2016}}</ref> Trump won more votes in the general election than any Republican candidate in U.S. history, and he won the largest number of electoral votes since [[George H. W. Bush]].<ref>Hoft, Jim (November 22, 2016). [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/trump-breaks-record-votes-republican-candidate-history/ Trump Breaks Record for Most Votes by Republican Candidate in History]. ''The Gateway Pundit''. Retrieved November 22, 2016.</ref> In addition, Trump won 2,623 counties—the largest number for both a Republican or Democrat since [[Ronald Reagan]] in 1984—while the Democrats won only 489, something even the liberal [[PolitiFact]] admitted to be true.<ref>Jacobson, Louis (December 4, 2016). [https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/dec/04/mike-pence/mike-pence-says-donald-trump-won-most-counties-rep/ Mike Pence says Donald Trump won most counties by a Republican since Ronald Reagan]. ''PolitiFact''. Retrieved December 4, 2016.</ref> Geographically speaking, Trump accordingly won 85 percent of the nation<ref>Wallace, Tim (November 16, 2016). [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/16/us/politics/the-two-americas-of-2016.html?_r=0 The Two Americas of 2016]. ''The New York Times''. Retrieved December 5, 2016.</ref> and 61 percent of the states (including Maine's 2nd district). With the historic flip of Elliott County, Kentucky, every rural, white-majority Southern county voted for the Republican nominee for the first time in history.<ref>Simon, Jeff (December 9, 2016). [https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/09/politics/elliott-county-kentucky-democratic-streak-broken-by-donald-trump/index.html How Trump ended Democrats' 144-year winning streak in one county]. ''CNN''. Retrieved January 15, 2017.</ref>

According to exit polling, Trump won 81 percent of evangelical Christians compared to 16 percent for Clinton, a record high and even more than [[George W. Bush]] won in 2004,<ref name="townhall.com"/><ref name="wsj.com"/> even though some have disputed the accuracy of such exit polling methods.<ref>Showalter, Brandon (November 16, 2016). [http://www.christianpost.com/news/81-percent-evangelicals-vote-trump-eric-teetsel-joe-carter-171542/ Did 81 Percent of Evangelicals Really Vote for Trump? Not So Fast, Some Say]. ''The Christian Post''. Retrieved December 8, 2016.</ref> This is largely due to Trump's conservative policies that align well with the Bible, including opposition to abortion.

While liberal, establishmentarian world leaders made generally nuanced statements in response to Trump's election upset, conservative, right-wing leaders, including the leaders of insurgent parties in European nations, reacted positively to Trump's election.<ref>Ashkenas, Jeremy; Aisch, Gregor (December 5, 2016). [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/05/world/europe/populism-in-age-of-trump.html?_r=0 European Populism in the Age of Donald Trump]. ''The New York Times''. Retrieved December 5, 2016.</ref>

In addition to Trump's defeat of Clinton, the Republican Party kept control of the House and Senate, outperforming expectations.<ref>Bresnahan, John (November 9, 2016). [https://www.politico.eu/article/republicans-on-cusp-of-keeping-the-senate/ Republicans hold the Senate in a stunner]. ''Politico''. Retrieved November 9, 2016.</ref><ref>Hughes, Siobhan (November 9, 2016). [https://www.wsj.com/articles/republicans-are-confident-about-retaining-control-of-the-house-1478634160 Democrats Gain Seats in House, But GOP Retains Majority]. ''The Wall Street Journal''. Retrieved November 9, 2016.</ref> The Republican Party performed well—much better than expected—in state races, winning trifectas in [[Kentucky]], [[Iowa]], [[Missouri]], and [[New Hampshire]], and Democrats only had six trifectas and total control in five states, a record low.<ref>Greenblatt, Alan (November 9, 2016). [http://www.governing.com/topics/elections/gov-republicans-add-dominance-state-legislatures.html Republicans Add to Their Dominance of State Legislatures]. ''Governing''. Retrieved November 9, 2016.</ref><ref>Siegel, Josh (November 9, 2016). [http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/09/republicans-maintain-strong-control-of-state-capitols-what-that-means/ Republicans Maintain Strong Control of State Capitols. Here’s What That Means.] ''The Daily Signal''. Retrieved November 9, 2016.</ref> The GOP won 25 trifectas, the largest since 1952.<ref>Lieb, David A. (December 29, 2016). [https://www.pressreader.com/usa/chicago-tribune/20161229/281822873464433 GOP-Controlled States Aim to Reshape Laws]. ''Chicago Tribune'' (from the Associated Press). Retrieved December 30, 2016.</ref> The GOP now controlled the highest amount of governorships since 1922,<ref>Lieb, David A. (November 9, 2016). [https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2016-11-09/republicans-expand-control-of-governorships-legislatures Republicans governorships rise to highest mark since 1922]. ''U.S. News & World Report''. Retrieved November 9, 2016.</ref> and it controlled the most state legislative chambers in history.<ref>Bosman, Julie & Davey, Monica (November 11, 2016). [https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/republicans-expand-control-in-a-deeply-divided-nation.html Republicans Expand Control in a Deeply Divided Nation]. ''The New York Times''. Retrieved November 14, 2016.</ref>

Despite expectations that Trump's election victory would cause the markets to plunge, the [[Dow Jones Industrial Average]] actually performed very strongly, closing at the highest level it had ever reached in history after the second day.<ref name="MarketRally">La Monica, Paul R. (November 10, 2016). [https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/10/investing/markets-stocks-donald-trump-rally/index.html The 'yuge' Donald Trump market rally continues]. ''CNN Money''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref> It is rare for the stock market to rise immediately after a U.S. presidential election regardless of the winner.<ref name="MarketRally"/> The stock market had its best week in five years due to optimism of a Trump presidency.<ref>Craig, Victoria (November 11, 2016). [https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/11/11/trump-optimism-propels-dow-to-best-week-in-five-years.html Trump Optimism Propels Dow to Best Week in Five Years]. ''Fox Business''. Retrieved November 12, 2016.</ref>

After the election, childish [[leftists]] and [[anarchists]], who could not accept the results of the election, strongly protested Trump's victory and committed outrageous and extreme acts of vandalism and violence,<ref name="Protests">Chiaramonte, Perry (November 10, 2016). [https://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/trump-protests-intensify-as-doubts-swirl-about-spontaneity.html Trump protests intensify, as doubts swirl about spontaneity]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved November 11, 2016.</ref> even brutally attacking and beating at least one alleged Trump supporter.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/video-emerges-group-beating-chicago-man-while-yelling-dont-vote-trump.html Video emerges of mob beating Chicago man while yelling 'don't vote Trump']. ''Fox News''. November 10, 2016. Retrieved November 11, 2016.</ref> Many of these protests were likely organized and coordinated, as many protestors were bused in by Coach buses.<ref name="Protests"/> This occurred on the heels of Hillary Clinton, the Clinton campaign, and major mainstream media condemning in the harshest terms Trump and his supporters' complaints of a "rigged election," and failure to accept the results would damage democracy. Clinton, President Obama, and the media highlighted the protests and failed to condemn the leftist violence and protests as detrimental to democracy.

==2020 presidential election==
{{See also|2016 U.S. presidential election|Donald Trump achievements|Donald Trump 2020 presidential campaign|United States presidential election, 2020}}
As an incumbent with a strong economy, Donald Trump was favored to win the 2020 U.S. presidential election. However, Democrats, through the use of [[voter fraud]], stole the election from Donald Trump and gave it to Joe Biden illegally. (see [[Biden Putsch]])

=== Donald Trump on Joe Biden's age and his aging ===
''See also:'' [[Biden's age]] and [[Donald Trump's age]]

Nate Silver of ''FiveThirtyEight'' wrote about Bidens's age:
{{Cquote|A lot of rank-and-file voters do have concerns about Biden’s age. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll in February found that 62 percent of voters had reservations about voting for someone aged 75 or older. [https://news.gallup.com/poll/254120/less-half-vote-socialist-president.aspx Other polls] have also shown advanced age to be a concern among Democrats, Republicans and independents alike.<ref>[https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-bidens-opponents-being-too-coy-in-making-age-an-issue/ Voters Care About Biden’s Age — Not About His Gaffes] by Nate Silver,''FiveThirtyEight''</ref>}}

Donald Trump has called Joe Biden "sleepy" and said that "he looks different than he used to, he acts different than he used to, he’s even slower than he used to be".<ref>[https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/joe-biden-age-2020/593350/ Is Joe Biden ‘Too Old’?] EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE, ''The Atlantic''</ref> See also: [[Biden's age]]

The ''[[New York Times]]'' stated:
{{Cquote|Meeting with a group of union officials in the West Wing this year, the president appealed for their support in part by tapping on his head and saying, “Biden is losing it,” according to a participant in the meeting who disclosed the president’s comment on condition of anonymity.<ref>[https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/29/us/politics/joe-biden-age.html Why Joe Biden’s Age Worries Some Democratic Allies and Voters], ''New York Times''</ref>}}

==President of the United States==
[[File:Donald Trump at his desk, December 2018.png|thumb|250px|President Trump sitting at his desk in the [[Oval Office]], December 21, 2018]]
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements}}
===Transition===
{{See also|Trump transition}}
The day after being elected president, Trump released a solidly conservative agenda for his first 100 days in office, even though ending the [[abortion|legalized murder of the unborn]] was not on the agenda.<ref>Kelly, Amita & Sprunt, Barbara (November 9, 2016). [https://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days Here Is What Donald Trump Wants To Do In His First 100 Days]. ''NPR''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref>

On November 30, 2016, before Trump had finalized all his cabinet appointments, it was still described by Politico as "a conservative dream team that has Republicans cheering and liberals in despair" due to the many strong conservatives Trump had appointed, in contrast to moderates like [[George W. Bush]].<ref>Restuccia, Andrew; Cook, Nancy; Woellert, Lorraine (November 30, 2016). [https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-conservative-dream-team-231972 Trump's conservative dream team]. ''Politico''. Retrieved November 30, 2016.</ref><ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/30/politico-donald-trump-cabinet-conservative-dream-team/ Politico: Donald Trump’s Cabinet a ‘Conservative Dream Team’]. ''Breitbart News''. November 30, 2017. Retrieved May 18, 2017.</ref> Accordingly, ''[[Newsweek]]'' called Trump's incomplete cabinet the most conservative cabinet in U.S. history.<ref>Cooper, Matthew (December 9, 2016). [http://www.newsweek.com/trump-cabinet-picks-nominees-conservative-530477 Donald Trump Is Building the Most Conservative Presidential Cabinet In U.S. History]. ''Newsweek''. Retrieved December 10, 2016.</ref> ''[[The Washington Times]]'' noted how Trump was defying Washington establishment norms in his cabinet picks.<ref>Hurt, Charles (December 6, 2016). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/6/donald-trumps-cabinet-picks-define-business-as-not/ Trump defines business as not-usual for D.C.] ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved December 10, 2016.</ref>

''[[The Wall Street Journal]]'' stated that "it’s nearly impossible to identify a clear ideological bent" in Trump's appointments.<ref>Seib, Gerald (December 5, 2016). [https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-shuffles-the-ideological-deck-1480955194 Donald Trump Shuffles the Ideological Deck]. ''The Wall Street Journal''. Retrieved December 5, 2016.</ref> However, this can be easily explained by the fact that Trump has used some of his cabinet nominations to unite the GOP by appealing to most of its factions, even though Trump's appointments are still very conservative.

During the transition period, the Obama Administration engaged in surveillance and information-gathering of Trump, in order to investigate any [[Trump-Russia scandal|alleged ties to Russia]]. This was confirmed by GOP U.S. Representative [[Devin Nunes]] on March 22, 2017,<ref>Derespina, Cody (March 23, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/trump-basks-in-nunes-surveillance-news-so-that-means-im-right.html Trump basks in Nunes surveillance news: 'So that means I'm right']. ''Fox News''. Retrieved March 23, 2017.</ref> and by [[Evelyn Farkas]], the deputy assistant secretary of defense under Obama, on March 29, 2017.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/29/former-obama-official-discloses-rush-to-get-intelligence-on-trump-team.html Former Obama official discloses rush to get intelligence on Trump team]. ''Fox News''. March 29, 2017. Retrieved March 29, 2017.</ref><ref>Poor, Jeff (March 29, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/03/29/fmr-obama-official-reveals-pre-inauguration-effort-to-gather-intel-on-incoming-trump-team/ Fmr Obama Official Reveals Pre-Inauguration Effort to Gather Intel on Incoming Trump Team]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved March 30, 2017.</ref>

===Inauguration===
[[File:Donald Trumpswearing in.jpg|thumb|200px|Trump being sworn in, January 20, 2017.]]
Trump was inaugurated on January 20, 2017, giving one of the strongest inauguration addresses in American history.<ref>Boyle, Matthew (January 20, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/20/america-first-president-donald-trump-brings-the-rain-in-inauguration-address/ ‘America First’: President Donald Trump Brings the Rain in Inauguration Address]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref><ref>McCaskill, Nolan D. (January 20, 2017). [https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/key-points-of-trumps-inaugural-speech-233900 Key moments from Trump's inauguration speech]. ''Politico''. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref><ref>Scott, Patrick; Midgley, Robert (January 20, 2017). [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/20/donald-trump-just-delivered-american-inauguration-speech-ever/ Donald Trump just delivered the most 'American' inauguration speech ever]. ''The Telegraph''. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref> His first bill signed as president was to allow retired general and Defense Secretary nominee [[James Mattis]] to be confirmed.<ref>Kopan, Tal (January 20, 2017). [https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/donald-trump-first-law-actions/ President Donald Trump signs first bill into law]. ''CNN''. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref> That same day, Trump instituted a national day of patriotism,<ref>[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-measures-idUSKBN1542IH Trump takes first actions on Cabinet, declares day of patriotism: spokesman]. ''Reuters''. January 20, 2017. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref> and a few days later Trump officially designated his inauguration day the '''''National Day of Patriotic Devotion'''''.<ref>[https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/01/24/2017-01798/national-day-of-patriotic-devotion National Day of Patriotic Devotion -- Proclamation 9570 of January 20, 2017]. ''Federal Register''. January 24, 2017. Retrieved February 2, 2017.</ref><ref>Shelbourne, Mallory (January 23, 2017). [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/315735-trump-declares-inauguration-day-national-day-of-patriotic-devotion https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/315735-trump-declares-inauguration-day-national-day-of-patriotic-devotion]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved February 2, 2017.</ref>

Despite the fact that leftists knew for two months that Trump would be inaugurated president, hateful, anti-American, and immature leftists engaged in violent protests and did major acts of vandalism and even injuring the police who were sent in.<ref>Vargas, Theresa; Hartz, Taylor; Hermann, Peter (January 20, 2017). [https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/protesters-bring-shouts-skirmishes-and-shutdowns-to-inauguration-celebration/2017/01/20/00ea4c72-df11-11e6-acdf-14da832ae861_story.html?utm_term=.c4443fa64f5a Inauguration protesters vandalize, set fires, try to disrupt Trump’s oath, as police arrest 200]. ''The Washington Post''. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref><ref name="LimoFire">Lawler, David (January 20, 2017). [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/20/anti-donald-trump-activists-try-block-access-inauguration/ Donald Trump protests: Limo 'set on fire' and 217 arrested as police use tear gas on black-clad activists]. ''The Telegraph''. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref> At least 217 protesters were arrested.<ref name="LimoFire"/><ref>Weber, Joseph (January 20, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/20/trump-supporters-protesters-rally-before-sunrise-on-inauguration-day.html Hundreds of protesters arrested in Inauguration Day clashes]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved March 31, 2017.</ref><ref>Noble, Andrea; McDermott, Ryan M. (January 20, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/20/donald-trump-inauguration-protests-begin-turn-viol/ D.C. police report 217 arrested during Inauguration Day riots]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved March 31, 2017.</ref>

Despite having no power to block Trump's cabinet nominees and having no reason to delay the process,<ref>Pergram, Chad (January 20, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/20/senate-battle-erupts-over-dem-delay-confirming-trump-nominees.html Senate battle erupts over Dem 'delay' confirming Trump nominees]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved January 23, 2017.</ref> liberal Senate Democrats delayed confirmation of Trump's nominees, so that only two were confirmed on Trump's first day in office.<ref>Dinan, Stephen (January 22, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/22/trumps-cabinet-picks-delayed-by-democrats-only-two/? Donald Trump’s Cabinet picks delayed by Democrats, only two confirmed]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved January 23, 2017.</ref> This was a large difference from other recent presidents,<ref>Phillips, Amber (January 21, 2017). [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/20/donald-trump-will-start-his-presidency-with-the-smallest-confirmed-cabinet-in-decades/?utm_term=.9d7692169687 Donald Trump is starting his presidency with the smallest confirmed Cabinet in decades]. ''The Washington Post''. Retrieved Janaury 23, 2017.</ref> who, with the exception of [[George H. W. Bush]], had much larger numbers confirmed in the first week.<ref>Bluey, Robert (January 22, 2017). [http://dailysignal.com/2017/01/22/trumps-nominees-face-unprecedented-democrat-obstructionism/ Trump’s Nominees Face ‘Unprecedented’ Democrat Obstructionism]. ''The Daily Signal''. Retrieved January 23, 2017.</ref>

===Tenure===
{{See also|Donald Trump's major achievements}}
Due to his promotion and support of conservative, America First policies, President Trump faced large opposition from the Left, including from within the government bureaucracy.<ref>Singman, Brooke (January 1, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/31/trump-faces-bureaucratic-battle-in-implementing-agenda.html Trump faces bureaucratic battle in implementing agenda]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved February 1, 2017.</ref><ref>Kurtz, Howard (February 3, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/03/empire-strikes-back-why-trumps-private-talks-with-foreign-leaders-were-leaked.html The empire strikes back: Why Trump's private talks with foreign leaders were leaked]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved February 3, 2017.</ref> (The fact that members of the Deep State have grown visibly scared of reports stating such confirms this view;<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/03/22/politico-obama-admin-bureaucrats-panicked-by-breitbart-spotlight-dont-question-our-loyalty/ POLITICO: Obama Admin Bureaucrats ‘Panicked’ by Breitbart Spotlight: Don’t Question Our Loyalty!] ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved March 22, 2017.</ref> in May 2017, it was reported that 60% of [[National Security Council]] employees were Obama-Administration holdovers<ref>Wong, Kristina (May 17, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/17/trump-under-siege-more-than-60-percent-of-nsc-employees-placed-by-obama/ Trump Under Siege: More than 60 Percent of NSC Employees Placed by Obama]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved May 18, 2017.</ref>) Additionally, Senate Democrats continued to unduly delay Trump's cabinet nominees at historic and unprecedented proportions—by February 8, 2017, only [[George Washington]] had fewer cabinet nominees confirmed by this length of time into his presidency.<ref>Singman, Brooke (February 8, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/08/trump-facing-historic-delays-in-confirmation-push.html Trump facing historic delays in confirmation push]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved February 8, 2017.</ref>

On January 23, 2017, Trump signed an order which withdrew the United States from the globalist [[Trans-Pacific Partnership]].<ref>Chakraborty, Barnini (January 23, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/23/trump-signs-executive-order-withdrawing-us-from-tpp-trade-deal.html Trump signs executive order withdrawing US from TPP trade deal]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved January 23, 2017.</ref> That same day, Trump signed an order reinstating the [[Mexico City Policy]], which defunded International Planned Parenthood and other organizations that promote foreign abortions.<ref>LaBarbera, Peter (January 23, 2017). [https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-trump-signs-order-defunding-international-planned-parenthood-forei BREAKING: Trump signs order defunding International Planned Parenthood, foreign abortions]. ''LifeSite News''. Retrieved January 23, 2017.</ref><ref>Hellman, Jessie (January 23, 2017). [https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/abortion/315652-trump-signs-executive-order-reinstating-global-gag-rule-on Trump reinstates ban on US funds promoting abortion overseas]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved January 23, 2017.</ref>

Trump was very busy and productive in his first week and showed he was serious about his campaign promises, undoing Obama's illegitimate legacy and instituting conservative executive orders.<ref>Davenport, David (January 27, 2017). [https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddavenport/2017/01/27/how-trump-managed-to-undo-obamas-legacy-in-one-week/#3ae6bcba5bbf How Trump Managed To Undo Obama's Legacy In One Week]. ''Forbes''. Retrieved January 27, 2017.</ref><ref>Said-Moorhouse, Lauren (January 26, 2017). [https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/executive-orders-presidents-actions-presidential-memoranda/ What's Trump done so far? His productive first week and how it stacks up to previous presidents]. ''CNN''. Retrieved January 27, 2017.</ref><ref>[https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/28/president-trumps-first-week-action President Trump's First Week of Action]. ''whitehouse.gov''. January 28, 2017. Retrieved January 28, 2017.</ref> This caused the [[stock market]] to increase, and the [[Dow Jones]] passed 20,000 points for the first time in history.<ref>Imbert, Fred (January 25, 2017). [https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/25/us-markets.html Dow closes above 20,000 for first time as Trump orders send stocks flying]. ''CNBC''. Retrieved January 25, 2017.</ref><ref>Craig, Victoria (January 25, 2017). [https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/01/25/dow-races-past-20k-in-reinvigorated-trump-rally.html Dow Races Past 20K in Reinvigorated Trump Rally]. ''Fox Business''. Retrieved January 25, 2017.</ref> On March 1, 2017, the day after Trump made his first address to a joint-session of Congress, the stock market rose dramatically again, with the Dow Jones passing the 21,000 mark for the first time in history.<ref>Witkowski, Wallace; Mahmudova, Anora (March 1, 2017). [https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wall-street-stocks-set-to-resume-rally-on-fed-rate-hike-hopes-trump-relief-2017-03-01 Dow closes above 21,000 as stocks soar after Trump speech]. ''MarketWatch''. Retrieved March 1, 2017.</ref><ref>Holcomb, John (March 1, 2017). [https://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2017/03/01/stock-market-booms-past-21000-for-the-first-time-in-history-n2292388 The Trump Bump: Stock Market Hits 21,000 for the First Time in History]. ''Townhall''. Retrieved March 1, 2017.</ref><ref>DeSoto, Randy (March 1, 2017). [http://www.westernjournalism.com/stock-market-hits-new-high-follow-trumps-speech-to-congress/ Stock Market Hits New High Following Trump’s Speech To Congress]. ''Western Journalism''. Retrieved March 1, 2017.</ref>

As evidence of this intense [[mainstream media]] opposition to President Trump, a study published close to the 100th-day mark of Trump's presidency showed that 89% of media coverage regarding Trump was negative.<ref>
* Harper, Jennifer (April 19, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/19/donald-trump-media-coverage-is-89-percent-negative/ As first 100 days in office approaches, media coverage of Trump is 89% negative: Study]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved April 20, 2017.
* Noyes, Rich; Ciandella, Mike (April 19, 2017). [https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2017/04/18/honeymoon-hell-liberal-media-vs-president-trump Honeymoon from Hell: The Liberal Media vs. President Trump]. ''NewsBusters -- Media Research Center''. Retrieved April 21, 2017.</ref> Additionally, Trump was on track to become the most mocked president on late-night comedy TV in at least 25 years.<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/05/04/study-trump-track-mocked-president-late-night-25-years/ Study: Trump On Track to Be Most Mocked President on Late-Night TV in 25 Years]. ''Breitbart News''. May 4, 2017. Retrieved May 4, 2017.</ref>

On April 26, 2017, the Department of Homeland Security, acting under an executive order established by President Trump, established the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement Office (VOICE), created to help support victims of illegal immigrant crime, and it established the DHS-Victim Information and Notification Exchange, which was created to help those victims track the custody status of the illegal criminals.<ref>
* Singman, Brooke (April 26, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/26/dhs-announces-office-for-victims-illegal-immigrant-crime.html DHS announces office for victims of illegal immigrant crime]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved April 26, 2017.
* McHugh, Katie (April 26, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/26/dhs-kelly-voice-victims-illegal-alien-criminals/ DHS Kelly Creates VOICE For Many Victims of Illegal Alien Criminals]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved April 26, 2017.
* McHugh, Katie (April 25, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/25/dhs-unveil-voice-office-victims-illegal-alien-crime/ DHS to Unveil VOICE Office for Victims of Illegal Alien Crime]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved April 26, 2017.</ref> However, leftists took to pranking the phone line created, showing disrespect to the victims of illegal immigration.<ref>Singman, Brooke (April 27, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/27/ice-rips-pranksters-jamming-hotline-to-report-space-aliens.html ICE rips pranksters jamming hotline to report space aliens]. '' Fox News''. Retrieved April 27, 2017.</ref>

Canadian Prime Minister [[Justin Trudeau]] described President Trump as being very authentic – the way he acts in public is like how he does in private.<ref>Yilek, Caitlin (August 31, 2017). [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/canadian-prime-minister-justin-trudeau-trump-is-surprisingly-authentic/article/2633107 Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: Trump is surprisingly 'authentic']. ''Washington Examiner''. Retrieved August 31, 2017.</ref>

====Temporary immigration and refugee suspensions====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Immigration, illegal immigration, and border security}}
Trump received criticism from liberals and [[establishment]] Republicans<ref>McHugh, Katie (January 31, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/31/establishment-republicans-bash-trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-refugee-resettlement/ Establishment Republicans Bash Trump’s Executive Order on Immigration, Refugee Resettlement]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref> when he signed an executive order temporarily banning immigration from certain high-risk Islamic countries as well as refugee entry. Despite this criticism, 49 percent of the American public supported the decision compared to 41 percent opposed, according to the "mainstream" Reuters,<ref>Kahn, Chris (January 31, 2017). [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-poll-exclusive-idUSKBN15F2MG Exclusive: Only a third of Americans think Trump's travel ban will make them more safe]. ''Reuters''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref> and 57% percent of likely American voters supported the ban according to Rasmussen.<ref>[http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/january_2017/most_support_temporary_ban_on_newcomers_from_terrorist_havens Most Support Temporary Ban on Newcomers from Terrorist Havens].'' January 2017. Retrieved February 2, 2017.</ref> Additionally, while the leftist [[establishment]] European leaders opposed the ban, a strong majority—55% average—of Europeans support the ban, according to a poll in 10 [[European Union]] nations.<ref>Shaw, Adam (February 9, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/09/majority-europeans-in-favor-trump-style-muslim-ban-poll-shows.html Majority of Europeans in favor of a Trump-style Muslim ban, poll shows]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved February 9, 2017.</ref><ref>Jamieson, Alastair (February 8, 2017). [https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-border-crisis/majority-leading-eu-nations-support-trump-style-travel-ban-poll-n718271 Majority in Leading EU Nations Support Trump-Style Travel Ban: Poll]. ''NBC News''. Retrieved February 9, 2017.</ref> On March 6, 2017, Trump signed a second executive order concerning the temporary suspension of refugees and others from certain high-risk countries after the first one was blocked by the courts. The second order made some clarifications and minor improvements over the first, such as exempting green card holders from the ban and excluding [[Iraq]] from it as it had developed an acceptable vetting process.<ref>Munro, Neil (March 6, 2016). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/06/trump-new-refugees-executive-pushes-back-judges/ Donald Trump Signs Executive Order Banning Travel from Six Terror-Tied Countries]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved March 6, 2017.</ref><ref>Chakraborty, Barnini (March 6, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/06/trump-signs-new-immigration-order-narrows-scope-travel-ban.html Trump signs new immigration order, narrows scope of travel ban]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved March 6, 2017.</ref>

Trump showed he would not tolerate incompetent leftist administration officials when he fired acting [[United States Department of Justice|Attorney General]] [[Sally Yates]] (a left-wing Obama holdover) when she refused to defend his refugee and immigration ban executive order.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/30/acting-ag-tells-justice-department-staff-not-to-defend-trumps-refugee-order.html Trump fires acting AG after Justice Department staff told not to defend refugee order]. ''Fox News''. January 30, 2017. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref><ref>[https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/30/statement-appointment-dana-boente-acting-attorney-general Statement on the Appointment of Dana Boente as Acting Attorney General]. ''whitehouse.gov''. January 30, 2017. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref> Trump emulated [[Ronald Reagan]]'s firing of the striking PATCO workers in 1981 by doing so,<ref>Boyle, Matthew (January 30, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/30/trumps-patco-moment-emanating-reagan-president-takes-control-federal-government-protect-country-citizens/ Trump’s PATCO Moment: Emanating Reagan, the President Takes Control of Federal Government to ‘Protect the Country and Its Citizens’]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref> contrary to the [[mainstream media]] spin.<ref>Kurtz, Howard (February 1, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/01/trumps-firing-defiant-obama-holdover-why-hes-no-richard-nixon.html Trump's firing of a defiant Obama holdover: Why he's no Richard Nixon]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved February 1, 2017.</ref> That same night, Trump replaced the acting director of [[Immigration and Customs Enforcement]] (another Obama holdover) with a more competent official who had a reputation for enforcing immigration laws.<ref>Chamberlain, Samuel (January 31, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/31/trump-names-thomas-homan-acting-director-ice-replacing-obama-holdover.html Trump names Thomas Homan acting director of ICE, replacing Obama holdover]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref><ref>Berman, Mark; Zapotosky, Matt (January 30, 2017). [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/01/30/trump-appoints-new-immigration-and-customs-enforcement-director-noted-for-his-work-deporting-illegal-immigrants/?utm_term=.addf12ae690a Trump appoints new Immigration and Customs Enforcement director noted for his work deporting illegal immigrants]. ''The Washington Post''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref>

====Reducing regulations and government====
:''For more information, see [[Donald Trump achievements: Deregulation and government size]]''
In the first six weeks of Trump's presidency, over 90 regulations were repealed, whether through executive orders, Acts of Congress, or other means.<ref>Farand, Chloe (March 6, 2017). [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-federal-state-regulations-month-oval-office-white-house-us-president-deregulate-a7614031.html Donald Trump disassembles 90 federal state regulations in just over a month in White House]. ''The Independent''. Retrieved March 7, 2017.</ref><ref>[https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3480299-10-Examples-Industries-Push-Followed-by-Trump.html#document/p60/a341284 Trump-Era Trend: Industries Protest. Regulations Rolled Back. A Dozen Examples]. ''The New York Times'' (through ''DocumentCloud''). Retrieved March 7, 2017.</ref> Trump also signed numerous executive actions promoting a smaller government.

====Supreme Court====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: The courts|Trump Supreme Court}}
On January 31, 2017, Trump nominated Neil Gorsuch to the [[Supreme Court of the United States|U.S. Supreme Court]].<ref>Klukowski, Ken (January 31, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/31/trump-nominates-judge-neil-gorsuch-supreme-court/ Trump Nominates Judge Neil Gorsuch to Supreme Court]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref><ref>Hurley, Lawrence; Holland, Steve (January 31, 2017). [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-trump-idUSKBN15F1OW Trump picks conservative judge Gorsuch for U.S. Supreme Court]. ''Reuters''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref> The nomination was well received by many conservatives.<ref>Chamberlain, Steve (January 31, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/31/reaction-to-trumps-supreme-court-pick-split-along-partisan-lines.html Conservatives hail Trump's Supreme Court pick]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref><ref>Ertelt, Steven (January 31, 2017). [https://www.lifenews.com/2017/01/31/president-donald-trump-nominates-pro-life-friendly-judge-neil-gorsuch-to-the-supreme-court/ President Donald Trump Nominates Pro-Life-Friendly Judge Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court]. ''LifeNews.com''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref> Others, most notably [[Andrew Schlafly]], disagreed with the nomination due to concerns about Gorsuch's position on abortion.<ref>Dannenfelser, Marjorie (January 31, 2017). [https://townhall.com/columnists/marjoriedannenfelser/2017/01/31/the-truth-about-trumps-prolife-scotus-list-n2279232 The Truth about Trump’s Pro-life SCOTUS List]. ''Townhall''. Retrieved February 1, 2017.</ref><ref>http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Mainpageright&diff=1302133&oldid=1301962</ref>

Upon the swing justice [[Anthony Kennedy|Anthony Kennedy's]] announcement on June 21, 2018, that he would retire from the Court at the end of the succeeding month, Trump nominated the conservative [[Brett Kavanaugh]] to replace him.<ref>Mason, Ian (July 9, 2018). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/09/trump-brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court-nominee/ Trump Announces Brett Kavanaugh as Supreme Court Nominee] ''Breitbart News''.</ref>

====Public trust====
According to a poll conducted by [[Emerson College]] on February 5–6, 2017, more Americans trust the Trump Administration than the media.<ref>McHugh, Katie (February 9, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/09/poll-voters-trust-trump-administration-media/ Poll: Voters Trust Trump Administration More Than Media]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved February 9, 2017.</ref>

====Economic progress====
[[File:Real Disposable Personal Income Per Capita.png|right|350px|thumb|Real Personal Income gains under President Trump beginning from the flat base of President Obama's last year in office. ''Source: Federal Reserve Board'']]
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Economic policy and labor}}
In May 2017, the unemployment rate fell from 4.4% from 4.3%, the lowest since May 2001, as the number of unemployed persons was little changed at 6.9 million and the labor force participation rate fell to 62.7 percent.<ref>[https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate United States Unemployment Rate]. ''tradingeconomics.com''. Retrieved June 14, 2017.</ref>

According to a Rasmussen survey, consumer confidence is the second-highest it's been in the index's history. The market cap of the U.S. stock market has risen more than $3 trillion since Mr. Trump was elected. Small-business confidence has surged to a 12-year high.

==Books==
*''Trump: The Art of the Deal'' with Tony Schwartz (1987)
*''Trump: Surviving at the Top'' with Charles Leerhsen (1990)
*''Trump: The Art of the Comeback'' with Kate Bohner (1997)
*''The America We Deserve'' with Dave Shiflett (2000)
*''Trump: How to Get Rich'' with Meredith McIver (2004)
*''Trump: Think Like a Billionaire: Everything You Need to Know about Success, Real Estate and Life'' with Meredith McIver (2005)
*''Why We Want You to Be Rich: Two Men, One Message'' with Meredith McIver and Robert T. Kiyosaki (2006)
*''Think Big and Kick Ass in Business and Life'' with Bill Zanker (2007)
*''Trump: Never Give Up: How I Turned My Biggest Challenges into Success'' with Meredith McIver (2008)
*''Think Like a Champion: An Informal Education in Business and Life'' with Meredith McIver (2009)
*''Midas Touch: Why Some Entrepreneurs Get Rich—and Why Most Don't'' with Robert T. Kiyosaki (2011)
*''Time to Get Tough: Making America #1 Again'' (2011)
*''Crippled America: How to Make America Great Again'' (2015)

==Quotes==
===Quotes as U.S. President===
====Inaugural address====
*"....today we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another, or from one party to another, but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C., and giving it back to you, the people."<ref name="InaugTransc">[https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/full-text-donald-trump-inauguration-speech-transcript-233907 Full text: 2017 Donald Trump inauguration speech transcript]. ''Politico''. January 20, 2017. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref>
*"We assembled here today our issuing a new decree to be heard in every city, in every foreign capital, and in every hall of power, from this day forward: a new vision will govern our land, from this day forward, it's going to be only America first. America first."<ref name="InaugTransc"/>
*"[We will] unite the civilized world against radical Islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the Earth."<ref name="InaugTransc"/>
*"When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice."<ref name="InaugTransc"/>

====2017====
*"In America we don’t worship government, we worship God."<ref>Miller, S.A. (May 13, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/13/donald-trump-tells-liberty-university-graduates-we/ Trump at Liberty University: ‘We don’t worship government, we worship God’]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved May 13, 2017.</ref><ref>Moons, Michelle (May 13, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/13/president-donald-trumps-1st-commencement-speech-america-dont-worship-government-worship-god/ President Donald Trump’s First Commencement Speech: ‘In America We Don’t Worship Government, We Worship God’]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved May 13, 2017.</ref>
*"I didn’t get elected to serve the Washington media—I got elected to serve the forgotten men and women and that’s exactly what I’m doing."<ref>Spiering, Charlie (May 17, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/17/donald-trump-vows-to-fight-on-no-politician-in-history-has-been-treated-worse-or-more-unfairly/ Donald Trump: ‘I Didn’t Get Elected to Serve the Washington Media’]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved May 17, 2017.</ref><ref>Singman, Brooke (May 17, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/17/trump-takes-on-media-during-coast-guard-commencement-speech.html Trump takes on media during Coast Guard commencement speech]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved May 17, 2017.</ref>
* "The problem in Venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented, but that socialism has been faithfully implemented." (UN speech, September 2017)
* "The most important truth our Founders understood was this: Freedom is not a gift from government; freedom is a gift from God."<ref>[https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/920474831749025795 @realDonaldTrump], 17 Oct 2017</ref><ref>Crookston, Paul (October 17, 2017). [https://freebeacon.com/politics/trump-freedom-not-gift-government-freedom-gift-god/ Trump: ‘Freedom Is Not a Gift From Government; Freedom Is a Gift From God’]. ''The Washington Free Beacon''. Retrieved October 20, 2017.</ref>

===Quotes from the 2016 campaign for President===
[[File:Donald Trump and Mike Pence RNC July 2016.jpg|thumb|Trump and his running-mate, [[Mike Pence]], at the 2016 Republican National Convention.]]
Trump's tactics of naming and shaming candidates has been proven very effective. He called Jeb Bush 'low-energy Jeb' and it stuck. Then came Marco Rubio as 'Little Marco.' Next came 'Lyin' Ted' for Ted Cruz. For the Democrats, he calls Hillary Clinton 'Crooked Hillary'. He doesn't give Bernie Sanders the same treatment though he has referred to him as a Communist.

*“We will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of [[globalism]].”
*"I think we have a president who, as a president, is totally incompetent, and he doesn’t know what he’s doing. I think he has no idea what he’s doing. And our country is going to [[hell]]."<ref>http://time.com/4210983/republican-debate-barack-obama-incompetent/</ref>
*"I will be the greatest jobs president that [[God]] ever created."
*"I’m using my own money. I’m not using the lobbyists. I’m not using donors. I don’t care. I’m really rich."
*"Free trade is terrible. Free trade can be wonderful if you have smart people. But we have stupid people."
*"Nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump. Nobody. Within our military, I will find the General Patton, or I will find General MacArthur, I will find the right guy."
*"I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will have [[Mexico]] pay for that wall."
*"I think the big problem this country has is being politically correct."<ref>https://video.foxnews.com/v/4406746003001/watch-a-replay-of-fox-news-prime-time-presidential-debate/?#sp=show-clips</ref><ref>https://www.google.com/search?q=a+big+problem+with+our+country+is+too+politically+incorrect&oq=a+big+problem+with+our+country+is+too+politically+incorrect&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i64l3.8295j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8</ref>
*"Becoming the nominee of the party of [[Abraham Lincoln]] has been the greatest honor of my life.<ref>https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/294401-trump-claims-party-of-lincoln-mantle-in-speech-at-black</ref>

====General election debate quotes====
*"Because you would be in jail." (Trump in response to Clinton saying that it would be a good thing that he "is not in charge of the law in our country")<ref name="2ndTranscript">[https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/2016-presidential-debate-transcript-229519 Full transcript: Second 2016 presidential debate]. ''Politico''. October 10, 2016. Retrieved October 11, 2016.</ref>
*"Now she’s blaming the lie on the late great Abraham Lincoln. ...Honest Abe never lied. That’s the good thing. That's the big difference between Abraham Lincoln and you." (Trump in response to Clinton's excuse for having "'a public and private position on certain issues.'")<ref name="2ndTranscript"/>
*"Hillary has experience, but it’s bad experience."<ref>Goodenough, Patrick (September 27, 2016). [https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/ Trump: 'Hillary Has Experience, But It's Bad Experience']. ''cnsnews.com''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref>

===Quotes from Twitter===
[[File:Screenshot 2015-09-28-12-11-31-1.png|right|300px|Thumb|Tweet from Billionaire Carl Icahn]]
{{Cquote| '''Somebody said I’m the Ernest Hemingway of 140 characters.'''}}
Trump's tweets are archived and fully searchable online.<ref>http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/archive</ref> Here are some choice examples:
* "An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud."<ref>Trump, Donald J. (August 6, 2012, 1:23 pm). [https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/232572505238433794 "An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud."] Tweet by @realDonaldTrump.</ref>
* "It’s amazing how people can talk about me but I’m not allowed to talk about them."<ref>Trump, Donald J. (November 13, 2012, 12:23pm). [https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/268449146711703553 "It’s amazing how people can talk about me but I’m not allowed to talk about them."] Tweet by @realDonaldTrump.</ref>
* "This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bull**** has got to stop. Our planet is freezing, record low temps,and our GW scientists are stuck in ice."<ref>Trump, Donald J. (January 1, 2014, 4:39pm). [https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/418542137899491328 "This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bull**** has got to stop. Our planet is freezing, record low temps,and our GW scientists are stuck in ice."] Tweet by @realDonaldTrump.</ref>

====2015====
* "So many 'politically correct' fools in our country. We have to all get back to work and stop wasting time and energy on nonsense!" (August 8, 2015)
* "Notice that illegal immigrants will be given ObamaCare and free college tuition but nothing has been mentioned about our VETERANS #DemDebate" (October 13, 2015)
* "They laughed at me when I said to bomb the ISIS controlled oil fields. Now they are not laughing and doing what I said." (November 13, 2015)
* "President Obama said 'ISIL continues to shrink' in an interview just hours before the horrible attack in Paris. He is just so bad! CHANGE." (November 14, 2015)
* "Refugees from Syria are now pouring into our great country. Who knows who they are - some could be ISIS. Is our president insane?" (November 17, 2015)
* "Eight Syrians were just caught on the southern border trying to get into the U.S. ISIS maybe? I told you so. WE NEED A BIG & BEAUTIFUL WALL!" (November 19, 2015)

====2016====
* "Hillary said that guns don't keep you safe. If she really believes that she should demand that her heavily armed bodyguards quickly disarm!" (January 3, 2016)
* "I wonder if President Obama would have attended the funeral of Justice Scalia if it were held in a Mosque? Very sad that he did not go!" (February 20, 2016)
* "The organized group of people, many of them thugs, who shut down our First Amendment rights in Chicago, have totally energized America!" (March 12, 2016)
* "Why is it that the horrendous protesters, who scream, curse punch, shut down roads/doors during my RALLIES, are never blamed by media? SAD!" (March 20, 2016)
* "Do you all remember how beautiful and safe a place Brussels was. Not anymore, it is from a different world! U.S. must be vigilant and smart!" (March 22, 2016)
* "For the 1st time in American history, America’s 16,500 border patrol agents have issue[d] a presidential primary endorsement—me! Thank you." (April 1, 2016)
*"We are going to say Merry [[Christmas]] again." (December 2016 in [[Michigan]]).<ref>[Trump: 'We are going to say merry Christmas again'], ''The Hill'', December 13, 2016</ref>

====2017====
*"The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!"<ref>Greenwood, Mark (February 17, 2017). [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/320168-trump-the-media-is-the-enemy-of-the-american-people Trump tweets: The media is the 'enemy of the American people']. ''The Hill''. Retrieved February 27, 2017.</ref>

* "Mike Flynn should ask for immunity in that this is a witch hunt (excuse for big election loss), by media & Dems, of historic proportion!" (March 31, 2017)
* "Despite the constant negative press covfefe" (May 31 2017)
* "That's right, we need a TRAVEL BAN for certain DANGEROUS countries, not some politically correct term that won't help us protect our people!" (June 5, 2017, while the Dept. of Justice was arguing in court that his Executive Order was not a "travel ban")
* "Fake News is at an all time high. Where is their apology to me for all of the incorrect stories???" (June 13, 2017)

===Other quotes===
* "[T]he country is going to hell."<ref>Cassidy, Chris (March 19, 2015). [http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/us_politics/2015/03/country_is_going_to_hell_claims_donald_trump "'Country is going to hell,' claims Donald Trump"]. BostonHerald.com website.</ref>
* "We have no leader in this country.”<ref>Reisner, Hiram (April 22, 2011). [https://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/donaldtrump-karlrove-gop-birther/2011/04/22/id/393742 "Trump: I'd just take Libyan oil"]. NewsMax website.</ref>
* "Our leaders are stupid, they are stupid people."<ref>Pierce, Tony (April 29, 2011). [http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/04/donald-trump-in-vegas-our-leaders-are-stupid-they-are-stupid-people.html "Donald Trump in Vegas: 'Our leaders are stupid; they are stupid people'"]. Los Angeles Times website/Top of the Ticket blog.</ref>
* "I can tell you I am [the 2012 Obama campaign's] worst nightmare."<ref>Mooney, Alexander (April 11, 2011). [http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/11/trump-says-he-is-obama-campaigns-worst-nightmare/comment-page-6/ "Trump says he is Obama campaign's worst nightmare"]. Cable News Network website/politicalticker blog.</ref>
* "Obama has no solutions."<ref>Coz, Steve (August 19, 2012). [https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/trump-gibbs-fox-obama/2012/08/19/id/449050/ "Trump fires back at Obama campaign smear"]. Newsmax website/Newsfront.</ref>
*"Everything in life is luck."<ref name="Telegraph">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/12107003/Donald-Trump-faces-questions-over-Two-Corinthians.html</ref>
*"[Barack Obama] is probably the least transparent president in the history of the country."<ref name="Telegraph"/>
*"Not teaching your kids about money is like not caring whether they eat."<ref name="Telegraph"/>

== Liberal denialism and Donald Trump ==

:''See also:'' [[Liberal denialism and Donald Trump]] and [[Liberal denial]]

Post the 2016 U.S. presidential election many liberals were in denial that Donald Trump was going to be president of the United States. Before the election, many liberal media outlets took the line that Donald Trump could not win the [[Republican]] primary and could not win the presidential election.<ref>
*[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/09/the-wrongest-media-predictions-about-donald-trump/?utm_term=.febb2623a89f The wrongest media predictions about Donald Trump The wrongest media predictions about Donald Trump], ''Washington Post'', 2016</ref>

=== Political scientists, denialism and Donald Trump ===

{{See also|Atheism and science}}

Few, if any, [[Political science|political scientists]] predicted early on that Donald Trump would win the Republican primary and then would subsequently be elected president of the United States. Furthermore, most pollsters indicated that Trump would lose the election.

27 percent of American political scientists believe in the existence of God while 76 percent of American doctors said they believe in God.<ref>
*[http://www.livescience.com/379-scientists-belief-god-varies-starkly-discipline.html Scientists belief in God varies starkly by discipline], Livescience.com
*[https://www.nbcnews.com/id/8318894/ns/health-health_care/t/survey-most-doctors-believe-god-afterlife/ Most doctors believe in God], NBC News</ref> Most American [[atheism|atheists]] lean to the left politically (see: [[Atheism and politics]]). Compared to [[medical science]], which has many effective medicines and surgical procedures, the social science of political science is often unreliable.

===Trump and the mainstream media===
{{See also|Mainstream media and Donald Trump}}
The leftist [[mainstream media]] despises Trump and, under the influence of [[Trump Derangement Syndrome]], refuses to report objectively when covering him.

=== Angry secular leftists and Donald Trump ===

:''See also:'' [[Donald Trump and American atheists]] and [[Secular leftists and psychogenic illness]]

American [[secular left]]ists were extremely angry and upset in the aftermath of Donald Trump's election victory (see: [[Donald Trump and American atheists]]).

In certain cases, it became debilitating (see:: [[Secular leftists and psychogenic illness]]). The website Marketwatch reported concerning the aftermath of the 2016 presidential race: ''Trump’s win is causing a surge in demand for mental health services''<ref>[https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-win-is-causing-a-surge-in-demand-for-mental-health-services-2016-11-10 Trump’s win is causing a surge in demand for mental health services], Marketwatch 2016</ref>

The ''Religion News Service'' reported:
{{Cquote|For the last decade, [[Atheism|atheists]], [[secular humanism|humanists]] and others [[secular]]ists have worked hard to organize a “secular vote” that would counter the political clout of the [[religious right]].

President-elect Donald J. Trump’s victory dealt that movement a body blow when he garnered 81 percent of the white [[Evangelical Christians|evangelical]] vote and 60 percent of the white [[Roman Catholic|Catholic]] vote. [[Mormonism|Mormons]], too, voted overwhelmingly for Trump...

[Trump's] platform was seen as anti-secular in many atheist and humanist circles. He said he would appoint religiously conservative Supreme Court justices, ban [[Islam|Muslim]] immigrants, favor [[Christianity]] and repeal the [[Johnson Amendment]], which prohibits certain tax-exempt organizations from endorsing political candidates — issues antithetical to organized atheism and [[humanism]].<ref>[http://religionnews.com/2016/11/09/dealt-a-body-blow-atheists-and-humanists-regroup/ Dealt a body blow, atheists and humanists regroup] by Kimberly Winston, ''Religion News Service'', November 9, 2016</ref>}}

== Trump's Social Media Ban ==
On January 8, 2021, [[Twitter]] and [[Facebook]], in violation of the First Amendment and at risk of being put out of business by the [[Sherman Antitrust Act]] and [[U.S. Color Revolution#Executive Order 13848|Executive Order 13848]] due to their [[antitrust]] violations and censorious actions, illegally censored and silenced President Trump on their platforms by permanently suspending his accounts with them.<ref>[https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-twitter-bans-president-donald-trump-permanently/ BREAKING: Twitter Bans President Donald Trump — PERMANENTLY] at the Gateway Pundit</ref> This was part of co-ordinated collusion between Twitter, Facebook, [[Instagram]], [[Google]] (and its [[YouTube]] subsidiary) and other liberal Big Tech companies to target Trump and his supporters for illegal censorship and silencing of viewpoints and opinions the Left does not like,<ref>[https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/__trashed-15/ Big Tech Launches Massive Coordinated Cyber Attack on 74,000,000 Trump Voters — GOP SILENT] at the Gateway Pundit</ref> while simultaneously allowing violent leftist individuals and groups like Antifa and Black Lives Matter to have free run of their sites and say and do as they please. Although not officially confirmed as yet, Fox News host [[Sean Hannity]] later reported that Trump has since moved over to conservative social media website [[Parler]], prompting a wave of new accounts to subsequently open up there.<ref>[https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/report-sean-hannity-says-president-trump-joined-parler/ UPDATE – NOT CONFIRMED: Sean Hannity Says President Trump Has Joined Parler] at the Gateway Pundit</ref>

== Trump’s Website: 45 Office ==
{{main|45 Office}}
On March 29, 2021, Trump launched 45 Office.

==See also==
* [[Donald Trump's religious views]]
* [[Trump Administration]]
* [[Essay:Donald Trump One Two Body Blow]]
* [[The Chalkening]]
* [[Trump University]]
*[[Liberal Smear Machine]]
* [[Kathryn Steinle]]
* [[Mollie Tibbetts]]
* [[Sarah Root]]
* [[Alveda King]]
* [[Trump effect]]
* [[Deep State coup 2.0]]
* [[Biden Junta]]

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

==External links==
* [http://www.trump.com Trump.com - Official website]
* [https://www.donaldjtrump.com donaldjtrump.com - Official website]
* [http://www.LyingCrookedHillary.com LyingCrookedHillary.com]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8c2Cq-vpg The Untruth About Donald Trump] by [[Stefan Molyneux]], Published on Jan 18, 2016
* [http://www.untruthaboutdonaldtrump.com UntruthAboutDonaldTrump.com]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yyoauXmzjg Do Emotions Trump Facts?] [[Thomas Sowell]] on Donald Trump - Rebutted! by Stefan Molyneux
* [http://gop12.thehill.com/2011/04/trump-explains-conversion-on-abortion.html Trump explains his pro-life conversion]
* 100 groups have signed [http://www.pseagles.com/Coalition_letter_Supreme_Court this coalition letter] re: Trump's [[Trump Supreme Court|nomination to the Supreme Court]].



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Liberal stupidity

2021-08-09T22:03:45Z

AugustO: Reverted edits by SteKelBry (talk) to last revision by Northwest

[[File:Liberalstupidity.png|thumb|right|350px|After the [[2020 U.S. Senate election in Maine]] where Sen. [[Susan Collins]] won re-election despite polls suggesting otherwise, liberals demonstrated their stupidity in being utterly ignorant of [[Split-ticket voting|ticket-splitting]].]]
'''Liberal stupidity''' (based on [[Latin]]: ''stupēre'' or ''stupor''; removal from sense or sensibility<ref>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stupor</ref><ref>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stupid</ref>) is statements, policies, or actions by adherents of [[liberalism]] which are authoritative in form, but the end of which is devoid of reality or common sense, with the general public in most cases forced to pay for them. An example is the incredible statement by [[Democrat]] [[Hank Johnson]] of [[Georgia]], who feared that the relocation of 8,000 Naval personnel to [[Guam]] would "capsize" the island.<ref>https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Dumbest-Congressman-Ever--89652542.html</ref>

==It's in the "genes"==
Researchers under James H. Fowler, professor of medical [[genetics]] and [[political science]] at the [[University of California]], [[San Diego]], claim to have discovered a "liberal gene" (DRD4) associated with [[DNA]] in certain individuals. Fowler's research centered on [[dopamine]], which is a [[neurotransmitter]] that affects many processes and controls over the [[brain]], including movement, emotions, pleasure, and pain; he further claims in his paper that it's heritable, meaning it can be passed on from generation to generation, depending on social norms and environments.<ref>https://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/10/28/researchers-liberal-gene-genetics-politics/</ref><ref>http://american3p.org/establishment-news/new-research-confirms-that-behavior-is-genetic/</ref>

His paper followed previous ones in which he claimed [[voter]] turnout was determined by two genes<ref>http://jhfowler.ucsd.edu/two_genes_predict_voter_turnout.pdf</ref> and altruism;<ref>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-2508.2006.00453.x/full</ref> all of which appeared in the ''Journal of Politics'' instead of a typical scientific journal. If such a "gene" is true, then it explains many traits of liberal behavior with regards to stupidity, some of which is detailed in the following topics:

==The spitting on the American flag==
[[America]] and [[American values]] are disrespected and threatened everywhere in the country by rampant liberalism, which is symbolized as a whole by what they do to the [[Flag of the United States of America|flag]]. From displaying it pinned upside-down on jackets or using it as a "walk-on" in art displays, liberals have repeatedly insulted America by their contempt of this highest of American symbols. Some examples include:
* Unrepentant terrorist [[William Ayers]] photographed standing on the flag for a magazine article, ironically published the day of the [[September 11, 2001 attacks]] on America by [[Islam]]ic [[terrorist]]s.
* A mural of the flag, painted on a slab of concrete in [[California]] days after the 9/11 attacks, declared [[graffiti]] by the state legislature and removed days before the Fourth of July, 2010.<ref>http://www.ktvu.com/news/24117983/detail.html</ref>
* The use of the flag as floor mats at the University of [[Maine]], with the arrest of those [[veteran]]s protesting it if they dared to remove the flags from the floor.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH9bVRAe4NE</ref>
* In an act that still reverberates today, on April 25, 1976, two liberals got on the playing field at Dodger Stadium and attempted to light a flag on fire; their attempt was thwarted by ball player Rick Monday.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrV8QPQAhxo</ref>

==The staining of an American icon: Superman==
The comic book character [[Superman]] represented American values since his creation in the 1930s by [[Jerry Siegel]] and [[Joe Shuster]]. In 2011, DC Comics have stated that Superman intends to renounces his U.S. [[citizenship]] before the [[United Nations]] in Action Comics No. 900, “I’m tired of having my actions construed as instruments of U.S. policy … ‘truth, justice and the American way’ - it's not enough anymore.” DC Comics issued a statement saying "Superman announces his intention to put a global focus on his never-ending battle, but he remains, as always, committed to his adopted home..." <ref>[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/29/take-your-global-citizenship-and-shove-it-superman/ PICKET: Take your global citizenship and shove it, Superman, [[Washington Times]], April 29, 2011]</ref> Just days later, after negative publicity in the news media and internet bloggers - and coupled with the May 1, 2011 killing of terrorist [[Osama bin Laden]] - did the editors at DC Comics indicate a change of heart.<ref>http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42903580/ns/today-books/t/will-superman-stay-american-citizen/</ref>

==Donation requests from Wikipedia==
Each year the [[Wikimedia Foundation]] conducts a fundraising drive to keep the webservers working on that popular liberal website. They claim the donations go to "Servers, bandwidth, maintenance, development."<ref>{{cite web|url=https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:FundraiserLandingPage&country=US&uselang=en&utm_medium=sidebar&utm_source=donate&utm_campaign=C13_en.wikipedia.org|title=Make Your Donation Now - Donate|accessdate=September 3, 2013}}</ref> Yet, in the period July - December 2012, the WMF took in $30.9 million but spent only $1.3 million on internet hosting.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/6/68/Jul-Dec%2712_Mid-year_financials2.pdf|title=Actual vs. Plan Comparison|work=Wikimedia Foundation|accessdate=September 3, 2013}}</ref> During 2012, the net worth of the WMF grew by $11 million. Yet, liberal Wikipedia users continue to donate in response to the WMF's urgent appeals.

==Clitanic==
Professor Chris Turney of the University of New South Wales, [[Australia]]<ref>http://www.christurney.com/</ref> set sail for eastern [[Antartica]] on December 8, 2013 onboard MV ''Akademik Shokalskiy'', a research vessel that was used on this expedition to study Antarctic [[climate change]]. The vessel, with 74 people (including additional scientists, journalists, and crew) became stuck in pack ice on Dec. 24, several miles from shore, approximately 100 nautical miles due east from the French research station Dumont d'Urville. By January 2, 2014, with the ice more than ten feet thick and several ice-breaking ships prevented from freeing the vessel, it was determined to evacuate all passengers by helicopter, leaving 22 crew members behind to tend ''Akademik Shokalskiy'' and hope she is freed.<ref>https://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/02/us-antarctica-ship-rescue-idUSBREA000JX20140102</ref>

Buried in the main stream news reports about the incident are a couple key facts. First and foremost is Turney's choice to go to Antarctica in the summer months when ice sheets retreat and break apart; like the Arctic in summertime, liberals choose this season to advertise the perils of [[global warming]], despite a growing amount of evidence that the Antarctic ice sheet was expanding over the years.<ref>http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/12/28/australian-climate-change-professor-chris-turney-of-u-of-new-south-wales-who-warned-about-melting-east-antarctic-remains-trapped-in-thick-ice/</ref> And during this expedition, even after being trapped in an ice field which clearly grew, Turney insisted the ice was melting.<ref>https://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/12/30/stuck-in-our-own-experiment-leader-trapped-team-insists-polar-ice-is-melting/</ref>

Second is the allegation that Turney may have hoped to profit from [[global warming]] and the [[hysteria]] that goes with it. Turney founded the company "Carbonscape",<ref>http://carbonscape.com/</ref><ref>http://iceagenow.info/2013/12/professor-trapped-antarctic-ice-trying-rich-agw-hysteria/</ref><ref>http://au.linkedin.com/pub/chris-turney/25/8a1/926</ref> which creates activated carbon from waste materials, such as sawdust. Despite this, neither MV ''Akademik Shokalskiy'', nor the rescue ships, nor the helicopters and search aircraft, used anything other than normal, carbon-based [[diesel]] or other fuel to generate power.

As to MV ''Akademik Shokalskiy'', the ice sheets surrounding Antarctica have a historical reputation of crushing ice-bound vessels.

==U.S. Congressional members==
====Sequestration====
In 2011, liberal [[Democrat]]s voted for [[sequestration]] with the belief that it would be so intolerable that [[conservative]] [[budget]]-cutters would never allow it to take effect. Again, in the December 2012 budget deal, President [[Obama]] and liberal Democrats did not agree to other spending cuts sought by conservatives because they could not believe that conservatives would allow sequestration take effect, although the deal postponed sequestration for two months.<ref>{{cite web |title=Statement by the Press Secretary |url=https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/02/14/statement-press-secretary |date=February 14, 2013 |publisher=[[The White House]] |accessdate=September 3, 2013}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |title=There are now four big plans to stop the sequester |last=Plumer |first=Brad |url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/02/14/there-are-now-four-plans-to-stop-the-sequester/?wprss=rss_ezra-klein |date=February 14, 2013 |publisher=[[Washington Post]] |accessdate=September 3, 2013}}</ref> Sequestration has now been in effect since March 2013.

====Major Owens====
An [[African American]] [[Democratic]] [[socialist]] from [[New York City]], [[Major Owens]] (U.S. House of Representatives from 1983 to 2007) stated in a 1995 speech on the House floor that during the [[Africa]]n [[slave trade]] more than 200,000,000 people were thrown over the sides of the slave ships which carried them across the Atlantic, permanently disrupting the [[ecology]] and causing [[shark]]s to follow any and all ships since the trade was stopped in the 1850s. This figure worked out to be 152 slaves taken aboard nine ships per day for 200 years to get the total amount of slaves thrown overboard. After reworking his absurd figure down to 100,000,000 slaves, Owens' claim was picked up by [[ABC News]], which reported the claim as "fact".<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N81fOuca8Oc&feature=related</ref><ref>http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1766</ref><ref>http://snoopzone.blogspot.com/2005/11/200000000.html</ref>

====Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez====
Among numerous other unintelligent statements made by her, [[Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez]] in February 2019 took a quotation of Mussolini by Senator [[John Cornyn]] blatantly out of context, making it seem like he endorsed the [[socialist]] dictator when he actually shared the quote to criticize socialists such as Ocasio-Cortez.<ref>Adams, Becket (February 26, 2019). [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/idiots-accuse-sen-john-cornyn-of-endorsing-mussolini-because-everyone-is-dumb Idiots accuse Sen. John Cornyn of endorsing Mussolini, because everyone is dumb]. ''Washington Examiner''. Retrieved February 26, 2019.</ref>

====Emanuel Cleaver====
Cleaver concluded a prayer in Congress in early January 2021 with "Amen and a-woman" despite the fact that "amen" has no gender associated with it.<ref>Two references:
*Jacobs, Emily (January 4, 2021). [https://nypost.com/2021/01/04/rep-emanuel-cleaver-closes-congress-opening-prayer-with-amen-and-awoman/ Rep. Emanuel Cleaver closes Congress’ opening prayer with ‘amen and awoman’]. ''New York Post''. Retrieved January 4, 2021.
*Mastrangelo, Dominick (January 4, 2021). [https://thehill.com/homenews/532547-cleaver-concludes-congressional-prayer-amen-and-awoman Cleaver concludes congressional prayer with 'amen and awoman']. ''The Hill''. Retrieved January 4, 2021.</ref>

==State legislative members==
====Mike Moran====
Democratic State Representative [[Mike Moran]] of Brighton, [[Massachusetts]] was involved in a collision on May 21, 2010 with an [[illegal alien]] and was seriously injured. The suspect, 27-year-old Isaias Naranjo, was charged with leaving the scene of an accident, driving without a license, and driving drunk; he had a blood alcohol level of .25, and reportedly laughed when the charges were read to him.<ref>http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/politics/local_politics/state-rep-in-accident-with-suspected-illegal-immigrant-20100521</ref><ref>https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/24/car-crash-involving-mass-lawmaker-suspected-illegal-immigrant-heats-debate/</ref><ref>http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/ma-state-rep-mike-moran-tax-spend.html</ref>

Moran voted YES to several bills seen as "pro-illegal immigrant" in Massachusetts,<ref>http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=15237</ref> including to vote to "delay indefinitely" a proposal to "require the state to verify that anyone over 18 who applies for state benefits is legally in Massachusetts" <ref>http://www.wickedlocal.com/allston/town_info/government/x1406500748/Beacon-Hill-Roll-Call-Legislature-approves-state-budget-rejects-tax-cuts</ref>

==Liberal academics==
Dan Slater, who leads the Center for Emerging Democracies at the University of Michigan, claimed in a ''[[Council on Foreign Relations|Foreign Affairs]]'' article that the United States is becoming increasingly "authoritarian" – specifically in the sense of where leaders cheat to stay in power – simply because of the existence of the [[Electoral College]], which has existed since the U.S. Constitution's ratification in 1788.<ref>LeVine, Steve (November 10, 2018). [https://www.axios.com/understanding-different-types-strongmen-716c5b15-9371-4f27-b22d-d723b932f59d.html Some strongmen are power-grabbers, others just cheaters]. ''Axios''. Retrieved November 10, 2018.</ref>

==Foreign leaders==
On April 27, 2010 [[Gordon Brown]], prime minister of the [[United Kingdom]], was confronted by an elderly Gillian Duffy, 65, and a lifelong member of the [[Labour Party]]. Her question had to do with the massive influx of immigrants to her hometown of Rochdale, the high [[tax]]ation, the massive British [[national debt]], her disappointment in her party, and she wanted answers as to why. After the standard liberal answers, Brown got into his car and - ''forgetting he had a microphone on, which was still recording'' - talked to his aide: ''"That was a disaster...should never have put me with that woman. Whose idea was that?...she was just a sort of bigoted woman who said she used to be Labour."'' Brown was apologetic almost as immediately as word of his gaffe leaked to the press,<ref>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/election/article-1269486/Election-2010-Gordon-Browns-bigoted-woman-insult-Gillian-Duffy.html</ref> but the damage was done: Brown's Labour Party lost the election and he resigned from office.<ref>http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/europe/Brown-to-Resign-British-Labor-Party-Leadership-93598409.html</ref>

==News reporters==
====Nick McDermott====
The reporter at [[CBS]] affiliate KTVA in [[Alaska]] left a message in late October, 2010 with staffers of [[Republican]] Senate candidate [[Joe Miller]], "hoping" for an interview. Apparently not familiar with the operation of his [[iPhone]] - namely the "on/off" button - he left it on, allowing Miller's spokesperson, Randy DeSoto, to leave a full transcript of a plot to insert a convicted child molester, or, failing that, create an incident of violence, inside of a Miller rally.<ref>https://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=221973</ref><ref>https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/31/miller-campaign-claims-tape-shows-reporters-trying-connect-child-molesters/</ref>

====Dan Rather====
[[Dan Rather]], the famous liberal CBS anchorman, became an ex-[[CBS]] employee soon after he presented a story on ''[[60 Minutes]] Wednesday'' on September 8, 2004; in it he presented "documents" dated in 1972, supposedly written by the commanding officer at a Texas Air National Guard base, which were critical of then-1st LT [[George W. Bush]], and hinting of his refusal to serve in [[Vietnam]]. Determined to have been poorly-concocted forgeries - which included a non-existent post office box and a type setting equal to a computer program which wasn't created until years later - the "Killian Documents" were dismissed as an [[October surprise]] meant to thwart the election of Bush that year; in fact producer Marla Mapes had in her possession evidence that contradicted the documents, but buried it instead in favor of Rather's "story". Failure to maintain basic journalistic investigation procedures resulted in the firing of Rather, Mapes, and a number of other individuals; the tendering of resignations of senior CBS staffers; as well as bestowing a name on the whole episode in Rather's honor: [[Rathergate]].

====Brian Williams====
[[NBC News]] anchor [[Brian Williams]] in a conversation with ''[[New York Times]]'' writer Mara Gay about the [[2020 Democrat primaries]] claimed that “[[Michael Bloomberg]] spent $500 million on ads. The U.S. population is 327 million. He could have given each American $1 million and still have money left over.”<ref>https://nationalpost.com/opinion/msnbc-brian-williams-new-york-times-mara-gay-michael-bloomberg-1-million-each</ref> According to Politifact, if Michael Bloomberg gave $500 million to 327 million Americans, each American would receive only $1.53.<ref>https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/06/msnbc/bad-math-msnbc-bloombergs-ad-spending-wasnt-enough/</ref>

==Hollywood stars==
====Jon Dalton====
Dalton, who goes by the stage name "Jonny Fairplay" did something to cause boos directed against himself at the Fox Reality Awards Show on October 2, 2007. During this round actor [[Danny Bonaduce]] walked up next to Dalton, who was drinking in the boos as if they were cheers, and said the obvious: "They're booing because they hate you." Upon turning his back on Dalton and attempting to exit the stage, Bonaduce was jumped on by Dalton, who subjected him to a sexual act. Either forgotten or ignored was the fact that Bonaduce has a black belt in Tang Soo Do, and he simply flipped him up and over; Dalton hit the stage floor face-first and lost some teeth. His exit off the stage was humiliating and rapid, made worse by the L.A. district attorney declining to press assault charges against Bonaduce due to insufficient evidence.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9wK2hFmxT4</ref><ref>http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b57723_Fairplay_Must_Fix_Bonaduce_Suit.html</ref>

====Gwyneth Paltrow====
[[Gwyneth Paltrow]], a long-time liberal "champion" of the [[environment]], ended a small celebration in [[Hollywood values|Hollywood]], [[California]] involving a newly released video by British singer [[Paul McCartney]], stepped into her car and went to dinner with her husband on April 18, 2012. The restaurant was four doors down the street - ''0.06 of a mile'' - and took approximately 10 seconds, while several others who were at the same event and went to the same restaurant walked the distance in less than a couple minutes. The car she was in - a chauffeured Lincoln Town Car - is a gas guzzler, getting 15 miles per gallon or less in the city.<ref>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2131511/Gwyneth-Paltrow-driven-0-06miles-video-launch-restaurant-doors-away.html</ref><ref>http://www.tribute.ca/news/index.php/environmentalist-gwyneth-paltrow-drives-10-seconds-to-restaurant/2012/04/19/</ref>

====Samantha Bee====
[[Samantha Bee]], foul-mouthed and bigoted liberal "comedienne" and former correspondent of ''The Daily Show'' who now hosts her own show ''Full Frontal with Samantha Bee'' and is also notorious for her frequent dimwitted mischaracterizations of conservatives on that show, stepped up her stupidity level on the March 8, 2017 edition of the show by callously making an ill-considered comparison of an attendee of the February 2017 conservative [[CPAC]] conference to a "Nazi" because of his close-cropped haircut. The following day, Bee was chastized on Twitter by the man's sister for the cruel barb, revealing that her brother has stage four brain cancer.<ref>[https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kristine-marsh/2017/03/09/sam-bee-accidentally-mocks-conservative-his-nazi-hair-he-has Sam Bee's Full Frontal Mocks Young Man for His 'Nazi Hair'; He Actually Has Cancer] at NewsBusters</ref> Bee subsequently took down the offending video clip from her YouTube page (although the original video was saved by [[NewsBusters]] as a reminder of her comment) and offered a hollow "apology" for the tasteless remark, but the damage had been done as she received a heavy amount of criticism on Twitter for it, while she was roasted for the comment on [[Fox News Channel]].<ref>[https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/randy-hall/2017/03/10/samantha-bees-slam-nazi-hair-youth-raises-thousands-treat-his-brain Samantha Bee's Slam of 'Nazi Hair' Youth Raises Thousands to Treat His Brain Cancer] at NewsBusters</ref>

====Pete Davidson====
''[[Saturday Night Live]]'' cast member and "comedian" Pete Davidson attacked Republican congressional candidate and former Navy SEAL Dan Crenshaw (who ran for, and won, the Texas 2nd congressional district to replace retiring Republican incumbent Ted Poe in the 2018 midterm elections) with a tasteless and unfunny joke in a ''Weekend Update'' segment poking fun at the disabled Crenshaw, who lost his right eye due to an IED blast while on a mission in Afghanistan, on the November 3, 2018 edition of ''SNL''.<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2018/11/04/pete-davidson-mocks-dan-crenshaw-who-lost-his-eye-in-afghanistan/ SNL's Pete Davidson Mocks GOP Candidate Dan Crenshaw, Who Lost His Eye in Afghanistan] at Breitbart News Network</ref> The backlash against Davidson, ''SNL'' and [[NBC]] for the joke was swift and heavy on Twitter as numerous critics, including [[Donald Trump Jr.]], the National Republican Congressional Committee and Crenshaw himself, vented against all three in their tweets for using ''Weekend Update'' to attack and trivialize Crenshaw.<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2018/11/04/this-is-disgusting-nbc-under-fire-after-mocking-war-veteran-and-gop-candidate-dan-crenshaw/ NBC Under Fire After Mocking War Veteran and GOP Candidate Dan Crenshaw] at Breitbart News Network</ref> Davidson was also heavily attacked on the ''SNL'' Facebook page for his insensitive comments about Crenshaw.<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2018/11/05/snl-facebook-page-erupts-comments-blasting-pete-davidson-mocking-veteran-injuries/ ''SNL'' Facebook Page Erupts with Avalanche of Comments Blasting Pete Davidson Mocking Veteran Injuries] at Breitbart News Network</ref>

====Rose McGowan====
Rose McGowan, a former co-star of ''Charmed'' (considered [[Essay:Worst Liberal TV Shows|one of the worst liberal shows]] in modern TV history), cowardly turned on her own country and kowtowed to the Iranian regime in "apologizing" to it for the killing of Iranian terrorist [[Qasem Soleimani]] by the US military, while simultaneously falsely accusing the Trump administration of being a "terrorist regime" and stupidly claiming to be "held hostage" by it, in a Twitter post which was subsequently heavily savaged by thousands of posters in reply, with some of them calling her a traitor and at least one poster calling her a "modern [[Jane Fonda|Hanoi Jane]]".<ref>[https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1212976832544460801 Rose McGowan: "Dear #Iran, The USA has disrespected your country, your flag, your people"] at Twitter</ref> {{broken link}} In response, McGowan profanely lashed out at some of her critics in another anti-American Twitter screed, which only earned her even more heavy criticism in reply;<ref>[https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1212985219202134017 Rose McGowan: "F*** your freedom"] at Twitter ('''Warning:''' Contains foul language)</ref> {{broken link}} she has since deleted those tweets.

==Education==
====Kansas City and $2 billion wasted====
In 1985 a Federal judge ordered the state of [[Missouri]] and the district containing [[Kansas City]] to enforce [[desegregation]], build new schools, and bring its low educational levels up to better standards, with the amount of money they would have to pay set at $2 billion over 12 years. During this period $11,700 per pupil was spent, in addition to "higher teachers' salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model [[United Nations]] with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to [[Mexico]] and [[Senegal]]"<ref>http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-298.html</ref> among other things. The results today: no rise in test scores, failed integration, a loss of accreditation in 2000, a complete failure to meet all of Missouri's performance standards, and a shortfall of $52 million in the budget...which would force the closing of 29 of its 61 schools.<ref>http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Liberal_stupidity&action=edit</ref><ref>https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/kc_schools_a_case_study_in_lib.html</ref><ref>http://articles.latimes.com/2000/may/04/news/mn-26560</ref>

See [[Public school values]] and [[Public schools in the United States]]

====Detroit and a lack of education====
[[Detroit]], [[Michigan]], already a poster child for everything wrong with liberalism, had a high school academy suspend 50 students for staging a walkout. The reason: they ''demanded'' an [[education]]. Douglass Academy - ironically named for a [[Frederick Douglass|former slave]] who did everything he could to get an education - suffers from teachers who abuse sick leave (one was deliberately absent 68 days); a principal reassigned by the board; grades merely for showing up to class; and a listless student body who while away time in the gym or cafeteria due to the absent teachers. The result: Douglass Academy is among the worst performing urban schools in the country.<ref>http://wchbnewsdetroit.com/2403275/detroits-frederick-douglass-academy-protest-students-suspended-after-demanding-an-education-video/</ref><ref>http://www.freep.com/article/20120330/NEWS01/203300409/Douglass-Academy-walkout-earns-suspensions-for-about-50-high-schoolers?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s</ref><ref>https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/detroit-high-school-prote_n_1392436.html</ref>

==School safety==
In 2018, Illinois Democrats proposed rewarding schools that hire mental health therapists instead of armed guards to protect students.<ref>Anapol, Avery (April 29, 2018). [https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/385437-illinois-lawmakers-approve-plan-to-replace-armed-officers-in-schools Illinois House approves plan to replace armed officers in schools with mental health professionals]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved April 29, 2018.</ref><ref>Hawkins, Awr (April 29, 2018). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/19/illinois-democrats-replace-armed-security-guards-therapists/ Illinois Democrats Push to Reward Schools That Hire Therapists Instead of Armed Guards]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved April 29, 2018.</ref>

==Energy needs==
====Britain's wind farms vs. reality====
[[Great Britain]] decided to "go green," and built 3,000 wind turbines, with the goal of 10,000 by 2020 to produce as much as thirty percent of energy needs; this would also be in conjunction with the closing of gas and [[coal]]-fired power stations and coal mines. As of the winter of 2010–11, one third of these turbines are shut down due to a lack of wind; the remainder are producing a mere 1.8 percent of the nation's electric needs. The result: higher prices for the importation of [[oil]] and coal, and a large segment of the public forced to go either on reduced energy consumption or without energy at all, and this during one of the coldest winters on record.<ref>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/8234616/Wind-farms-becalmed-just-when-needed-the-most.html</ref>

==Environmentalism==
====Bryan Nelson====
An enviro-journalist for ''Mother Nature Network'', Byron Nelson wrote that the conquests of the [[Mongol]] leader [[Genghis Khan]] had a beneficial effect on the environment. "Over the course of the century and a half run of the Mongol Empire," Nelson explains, "about 22 percent of the world's total land area had been conquered and an estimated 40 million people were slaughtered by the horse-driven, bow-wielding hordes. Depopulation over such a large swathe of land meant that countless numbers of cultivated fields eventually returned to forests. In other words, one effect of Genghis Khan's unrelenting invasion was widespread reforestation, and the re-growth of those forests meant that more carbon could be absorbed from the atmosphere."<ref>http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climate-weather/stories/was-genghis-khan-historys-greenest-conqueror</ref>

Nelson does not explain how trees are more beneficial than grasslands or crops in removing carbon, but the implied meaning of his column is the celebration of the slaughter of millions of people for the sake of the environment.

====Racist trees====
The city of Palm Springs, California cut down "racist trees."<ref>https://nypost.com/2017/12/21/golf-course-removes-racist-trees/</ref>

==Gerrymandering==
Liberals have claimed that Republicans are better represented in the U.S. House compared to the national popular vote because of gerrymandering, when it actually is because so many more "lopsided" Democrat districts exist compared to "lopsided" Republican districts – districts that would exists irrespective of whether the district is gerrymandered.<ref>https://twitter.com/PatrickRuffini/status/1060895879769587712 See also:
*Zitner, Aaron (November 16, 2018). [https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-house-votes-and-political-power-often-dont-match-1542375292 Why House Votes and Political Power Often Don’t Match]. ''The Wall Street Journal''. Retrieved November 16, 2018.</ref>

===Joy Behar===
In November 2018, liberal TV host [[Joy Behar]] falsely claimed that the Republican Party did so well in the U.S. Senate elections that year because of "gerrymandering."<ref>Multiple references:
*Key, Pam (November 10, 2018). [https://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/11/07/joy-behar-dems-lost-senate-because-of-gerrymandering/ Joy Behar: Dems Lost Senate Because of Gerrymandering]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved November 10, 2018.
*Payton, Bre (November 7, 2018). [https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/07/watch-joy-behar-claims-democrats-lost-senate-races-due-to-gerrymandering/ WATCH: Joy Behar Claims Democrats Lost Senate Races Due To Gerrymandering]. ''The Federalist''. Retrieved November 10, 2018.
*Smits, Mikhael (November 7, 2018). [https://freebeacon.com/politics/behar-blames-gerrymandering-midterms-dowd-explains-constitution/ Behar Blames ‘Gerrymandering’ for GOP Senate Wins in Midterms]. ''The Washington Free Beacon''. Retrieved November 10, 2018.
*O'Neil, Tyler (November 7, 2018). [https://pjmedia.com/video/joy-behar-blames-gerrymandering-for-gop-senate-wins/ Joy Behar Blames 'Gerrymandering' for GOP Senate Wins]. ''PJ Media''. Retrieved November 10, 2018.</ref>

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WinRed

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WinRed is an opponent of ActBlue, which donates for President Trump, and Republican senators and representatives.<ref>https://winred.com/</ref> It was founded in 2019 to compete with the Democrats' ActBlue.

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Fascism

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[[File:Hitler and Mussolini.jpg|thumb|250px|[[Adolf Hitler]] and [[Benito Mussolini]] on October 25, 1936.]]
'''Fascism''' is a [[big government]], [[totalitarian]], economic, and political [[ideology]] that arose in early twentieth century [[Europe]] and came to dominate the social and political systems of [[Italy]] under [[Benito Mussolini]] and [[Germany]] under [[Adolf Hitler]]. Fascism is [[statist]] in nature, relying on big [[government]] spending and "[[crony capitalism]]" while being openly hostile towards small businees competition and conventional [[religion]]. In 21st century America, the [[Democratic party]] has come to embody the oppressive [[single party control|single party aims]] of fascism in the [[United States]].

Conservatives are opposed to Fascism, favoring the individual over the state. Mussolini described Fascism this way:

:Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses ''the importance of the State'' and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liberalism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in the name of the individual; ''Fascism reasserts the rights of the State'' as expressing the real essence of the individual.<ref>[https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowell/2012/02/22/the-economic-leadership-secrets-of-benito-mussolini/#2f2fab6868e6 The Economic Leadership Secrets of Benito Mussolini]</ref><ref>[https://fee.org/articles/how-fascism-became-the-political-boogeyman/ How Fascism Became the Political Boogeyman]</ref>

Conservatives are inherently anti-Fascist because these terms stated above are unequivocally insufferable.

==Background==
Fascism was influential in [[Portugal]] as well, and had followers in most European countries and in [[Argentina]]. The last regime that had some fascist elements, that of [[Francisco Franco]] in [[Spain]], came to an end in 1975. Fascism was falsely considered "[[Right-wing|Far-Right]]" in politics, mostly due to [[Joseph Stalin]] denouncing Hitler and the [[National Socialist]]s as "right-wing" after World War II (and to a lesser extent the [[Frankfurt School]], in particular [[Theodor Adorno]] and [[Herbert Marcuse]], exploiting the [[American Jewish Committee]]'s attempt at investigating the cause of fascism to prevent another holocaust to push Marxism.<ref>http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/267543/big-liar-dinesh-dsouza </ref>), but it in reality was considered closer to the [[far-Left]].<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20191104161810/https://www.regnery.com/books/the-big-lie/</ref> Indeed, in a speech delivered on February 23, 1941 at Rome, Mussolini had stated that "When [World War II] is over, in the world's social revolution that will be followed by a more equitable distribution of the earth's riches, due account must be kept of the sacrifices and of the discipline maintained by the Italian workers. The Fascist revolution will make another decisive step to shorten social distances.", which made very clear that even by that point, fascism was far closer to socialism than to true conservativism.<ref>http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/1941/410223a.html</ref>

Largely because of the ill-defining of Fascism as being on the right instead of truly being on the left, several leftists often offer a false dichotomy between what they called freedom and fascism, with their definition of freedom generally coming closer to socialism or communism, or anarchism. A notable example of this is George Lucas with his Star Wars films, who makes clear he tries to paint it as people giving up freedom for fascism.

The name "fascism" derives from an ancient [[Roman]] symbol, the ''[[fasces]]'', a group of birch rods bundled together with an axe. It symbolizes [[strength]] in [[unity]]; the rods are weak by themselves but strong when bundled together. Historian [[Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.]] has stated,
{{Cquote|The Fascists were not conservative in any very meaningful sense. They did not wish to preserve the existing order, or even to turn back the clock to some more stable century. They purposefully planned to transform the existing order into a new and all-absorbing authoritarianism, based upon the energies and frustrations of modern industrialism. The Fascists, in a meaningful sense, were [[revolution]]aries.<ref>[http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/50s/schlesinger-notrightleft.html Not Right, Not Left, But a Vital Center], [[Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.]], ''New York Times Magazine'', April 4, 1948.</ref>}} 

== Beliefs ==
Fascists believe that all actions should be done for the good of the state; they reject [[classical liberalism]], which upholds the rights of the individual. Fascism ignores or rejects [[Christianity]], though some fascist leaders such as Hitler attempted to manipulate organized religion for political gain. This definition extends to economic policy as well, with government and business made to work together for this end. This is called "corporatism."

Characteristics of fascism include a belief that the state is more important than the individual; a leaning towards authoritarian government and violence; preference for centralized [[economic planning]]; an emphasis on [[nationalism]] and national traditions; militarism; information control and censorship; media propagation of the Great Leader which demonizes and trivializes his critics; and a rejection of both free enterprise and [[Socialism]] in favor of [[corporatism|corporatist]] economic policies. Despite the name, however, the name "corporatism" had nothing to do with corporations as generally understood, but was derived from "Corporazi", which was an Italian term that was derived from Medieval guilds, which were closer in analogue to socialist labor unions.

Fascist regimes have pushed their agendas by concentrating on a "scapegoat"—typically a group that is deemed to be foreign in origin or beliefs or both. Examples include the vehement Nazi attack on the [[Jewish|Jews]] and [[Gypsies]] and the campaigns waged by several fascist regimes against [[Freemasonry]]. The characteristics of fascism also include rampant [[cronyism]] and [[corruption]], as well as rigged elections and a general disdain for human rights.<ref>Dr. Lawrence Britt "Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20</ref>

== Examples ==
The prototypical fascist regime was that of [[Benito Mussolini]], who ruled Italy from 1922 to 1943. German [[Nazism]] referred to government mandated corporatist entities as industrial cartels and added an obsession with [[race]]. Austrian economist [[Friedrich Hayek]] observed in the final stages of [[World War II]], "the rise of fascism and [[Marxism]] was not a reaction against the socialist trends of the preceding period but a necessary outcome of those tendencies. Yet it is significant that many of the leaders of these movements, from Mussolini down (and including Vichy French prime minister [[Pierre Laval]] and Norwegian puppet ruler [[Vidkun Quisling]]) began as socialists and ended as fascists or Nazis.<ref>Friedrich A. Hayek, [http://www.iea.org.uk/files/upld-publication43pdf?.pdf ''Road to Serfdom'',] Reader's Digest Condensed Version, April 1945, pg. 31 - 32.</ref>

While not considered fascist by most scholars, some conservative authoritarian regimes cooperated with fascist groups and included some corporatist elements of fascism. These include those of [[Francisco Franco]] in Spain (1936–1975) and [[Antonio Salazar]] in [[Portugal]] (1932–1968). Similarly, various authoritarian regimes who were anti-Communist were often falsely conflated with fascism by leftists, with examples including Muhammad [[Suharto]] of [[Indonesia]] and [[Augusto Pinochet]] of [[Chile]].

==Inspiration for the New Deal==
:{{Main|Fascism and the New Deal}}
Italian Premier [[Benito Mussolini]] was convinced that the [[New Deal]] was copying Fascist economic policies.<ref>Stanley G. Payne, ''[https://books.google.com/books?id=NLiFIEdI1V4C A History of Fascism, 1914-1945]’’ (University of Wisconsin Press, 1996) ISBN 0299148742, p. 230</ref> Nazi Minister of Economics [[Hjalmar Schacht]] declared that President [[Franklin Roosevelt]] had the same economic idea as [[Hitler]] and Mussolini;<ref>William E. Leuchtenburg, ‘’[http://ia311511.us.archive.org/3/items/franklindrooseve006302mbp/franklindrooseve006302mbp.pdf Franklin D. Roosevelt and the New Deal]’’ (Harper & Row, 1963), p. 203</ref> the official Nazi Party organ, ''Völkischer Beobachter'', applauded “Roosevelt’s adoption of [[National Socialist]] strains of thought in his economic and social policies.”<ref>Wolfgang Schivelbusch, ‘’[https://books.google.com/books?id=Z3GV5_n1h04C Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939]’’ (Macmillan, 2006) ISBN 080507452X, p. 19</ref> Hitler expressed admiration for FDR's approach, saying, “I have <ref>[http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20716F839591A728DDDA90994DF405B838FF1D3],</ref> sympathy with President Roosevelt because he marches straight toward his objective over Congress, over lobbies, over stubborn bureaucracies.” FDR's Secretary of the Interior [[Harold L. Ickes|Harold Ickes]] conceded that “what we were doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some of the things that were being <ref>[http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1502/article_detail.asp done under Hitler]</ref> in Germany. But we were doing them in an orderly way.”

The Italian Fascist Party program, first promulgated in 1919, demanded “Suppression of incorporated joint-stock companies, industrial or financial. Suppression of all speculation by banks and stock exchanges,” and “Control and taxation of private wealth. Confiscation of unproductive income.”<ref>Count Carlo Sforza,’’[https://books.google.com/books?id=5a0EHPh-X-YC Contemporary Italy - Its Intellectual and Moral Origins] (Read Books, 2007, ISBN 1406760307), pp. 295-296</ref> The Fascists called this economic system ''corporativismo'' (corporativism). As UCLA international relations and political science professor Herbert Steiner observed in 1938, “So substantial are the limitations under which private property and capital are exercised in Italy, that the conception of ‘capitalism’ is avowedly destroyed and replaced by ''corporativismo''.”<ref>H. Arthur Steiner, ‘’[https://books.google.com/books?id=1LqtuYl43dwC Government in Fascist Italy]’’ (McGraw-Hill Book Company, Inc., 1938), p. 92</ref>

In addition, during that time, there were also Nuremberg-style rallies occurring in New York, with one such rally occurring in 1939 right before World War II at Madison Square Garden which spoke out against Jewish supremacy in the United States and advocated for it to be ruled by "white gentiles."<ref>https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/american-nazi-organization-rally-madison-square-garden-1939/</ref><ref>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4982974/See-1939-pro-Nazi-rally-held-heart-New-York.html</ref>

===National Recovery Administration===
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The centerpiece of the New Deal was the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA) of 1933, which was “similar to experiments being carried out by the fascist dictator Benito Mussolini in Italy and by the Nazis in Adolf Hitler's Germany,” according to John A. Garraty,<ref>[http://sah.columbia.edu/about/history.html past president]</ref> of the Society of American Historians.<ref>John Arthur Garraty, ‘’[https://books.google.com/books?id=DGRuAAAAMAAJ The American Nation]’’, 4th ed., vol. 2 (Harper & Row, 1979) ISBN 0060422696, p. 656</ref> NIRA established the [[National Recovery Administration]] (NRA), “the New Deal’s attempt to bring to America the substance of Mussolini’s corporativism.”<ref>Leonard Peikoff, ‘’[https://books.google.com/books?id=2_xpAAAAIAAJ The Ominous Parallels]’’ (Stein and Day, 1982) ISBN 081282850X, p. 293</ref> As one NRA study concluded, “The Fascist principles are very similar to those which have been evolving in America and so are of particular interest at this time.”<ref>Janet C. Wright, "Capital and Labor Under Fascism," National Archives, Record Group 9, Records of the National Recovery Administration,[https://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/009.html#9.2.4 Special Research and Planning Reports and Memoranda, 1933-35], Entry 31, Box 3</ref>

Just as Mussolini “organized each trade or industrial group or professional group into a state supervised trade association” that “operated under state supervision and could plan production, quality, prices, distribution, labor standards, etc.,”<ref>John T. Flynn, ‘’[http://mises.org/books/rooseveltmyth.pdf The Roosevelt Myth]’’ (The Devin-Adair Company, 1948) pp. 42-43</ref> the NRA “forced virtually all American industry, manufacturing, and retail business into cartels possessing the power to set prices and wages, and to <ref>[http://www.fee.org/pdf/the-freeman/1005RMEColumn.pdf]</ref> dictate the levels of production.”

U.S. Ambassador to Italy Breckinridge Long wrote to Roosevelt's economic advisor [[Rexford Tugwell]], “Your mind runs along these lines [corporativism]… It may have some bearing on the code work under N.R.A.”<ref>Long to Tugwell, May 16, 1934, [http://lccn.loc.gov/mm%2078030502 Breckinridge Long Papers], Box 111, Manuscript Division, Library of Congress)</ref> Tugwell, the “most prominent of the Brain Trusters and the man often considered the chief ideologist<ref>[http://www.fff.org/freedom/0201e.asp FDR — The Man, the Leader, the Legacy], Part 11
by Ralph Raico, Future of Freedom Foundation, February 2001.</ref> of the ‘first New Deal’ (roughly, 1933–34),” said, “I find Italy doing many of the things which seem to me necessary…. Mussolini certainly has the same people opposed to him as FDR has. But he has the press controlled so that they cannot scream lies at him daily.”<ref>Jonah Goldberg, ‘’[https://books.google.com/books?id=wHihWKJE3asC Liberal Fascism: the Secret History of the American Left, from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning] (Random House, Inc., 2008) ISBN 0385511841, p.156</ref>

As head of the NRA and thus “FDR’s leading bureaucrat,”<ref>[http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/hsjohnson.htm Hugh Samuel Johnson],
Arlington National Cemetery Website.</ref> the President appointed<ref>[http://www.condenaststore.com/VanityFair/ProdDetail.aspx?prodId=19968 General Hugh Johnson], Vanity Fair.</ref> General Hugh Johnson, who was granted “almost unlimited powers over industry.” <ref>[http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0716FC3E5F1A7A93CBA8178ED85F478385F9 NEW LAW IS ANTICIPATED; President Telephones Associate of Baruch of His Selection. ANSWER AWAITS PASSAGE As Administrator, He Would Have Under Roosevelt Vast Powers Over Business. LEADER IN DRAFTING BILL Plans Made to Put Measure in Operation Within Week After It Is Enacted. JOHNSON CHOSEN INDUSTRY CHIEF], The [[Associated Press]], May 19, 1933.</ref> According to economist Thayer Watkins (who teaches economic history<ref>[http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/economics/faculty/thayer.htm Thayer Watkins, Ph.D], San Jose State University.</ref> at California's San José State University), Johnson was “an admirer of Mussolini’s National Corporatist system<ref>[http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/corporatism.htm The Economic System of Corporatism], Thayer Watkins, San José State University.</ref> in Italy and he drew upon the Italian experience in formulating the [[New Deal]].” Walker F. Todd, research fellow at the American Institute for Economic Research, agrees that Johnson “did admire greatly what Mussolini appeared to have done,” and identifies the NRA as a “thoroughly corporativist” <ref>[http://www.aei.org/docLib/Todd%20-%20The%20Federal%20Reserve%20Board%20and%20the%20Rise%20of%20the%20Corporate%20State.pdf The Federal Reserve Board and the Rise of the Corporate State, 1931-1934], Walter F. Todd, Economic Education Bulletin, Great Barrington, Massachusetts (ISSN 0424–2769) (USPS 167–360),</ref> idea.

Johnson was said to carry around with him a copy of Raffaello Viglione's pro-Mussolini book,<ref>http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html</ref> ''The Corporate State'',<ref>‘’https://books.google.com/books?id=vIJQHAAACAAJ</ref> even presenting a copy to Secretary of Labor [[Frances Perkins]].<ref>Frances Perkins, ‘’[https://books.google.com/books?id=AIEhAAAAMAAJ The Roosevelt I Knew]’’ (The Viking press, 1946) p. 206. Socialist (Kent Worcester, ‘’[https://books.google.com/books?id=TwTTArAPWswC C.L.R. James: A Political Biography]’’ [SUNY Press, 1995] ISBN 079142751X, p. 175) George Rawich wrote that Perkins told him Johnson gave each member of the Cabinet a book by [http://www.marxists.org/archive/rawick/1969/xx/self.html Fascist theoretician Giovanni Gentile], “and we all read it with great care.” Schivelbusch suggests the book was actually [http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo172.html Mussolini advisor] Fausto Pitigliani’s ‘’The Italian Corporativist State.’’ (‘’Three New Deals’’, p. 203, n. 28)</ref> In his 1934 retirement speech, he invoked what he called the “shining name” of Mussolini.<ref>Arthur Meier Schlesinger, ‘’[https://books.google.com/books?id=mj3VmJ38tHIC The coming of the New Deal, 1933-1935]’’ (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2003) ISBN 0618340866, p. 153</ref> According to Jonah Goldberg, Johnson displayed a portrait of ‘’Il Duce’’ in his NRA office and actually “distributed a memo at the Democratic Convention proposing that FDR become a Mussolini-like dictator.”<ref>http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Mjc0ZmFlMDFiNDJkODdjYjE3NDY5OGVlY2JiZWRmNjM=</ref>

===Agricultrual Adjustment Administration===
:''Main article : '''[[Agricultural Adjustment Administration]]'''''
Roosevelt appointed Johnson's former business partner [[George Peek]] to head the [[Agricultural Adjustment Administration]] (AAA). Both men had “worked with the War Industries Board, the agency that regulated American production during [[World War I]], and they believed their experience of managing an economy almost totally sealed off from the world market would suit the country now.”<ref>Eric Rauchway, ‘’[https://books.google.com/books?id=BtSU6ZaCbzMC The Great Depression & the New Deal: A Very Short Introduction]’’ (Oxford University Press, 2008) ISBN 0195326342, p. 76</ref> They had long advocated a policy of expanding tariffs to keep foreign agricultural products out of the United States,<ref>William J. Barber , ‘’[https://books.google.com/books?id=Nks8pTPnsVYC From New Era to New Deal: Herbert Hoover, the Economists, and American Economic Policy, 1921-1933]’’ (Cambridge University Press, 1989) ISBN 0521367379, p. 50</ref> a policy that would have again rendered the U.S. economy “almost totally sealed off from the world market”<ref>Neil Vousden, ‘’[https://books.google.com/books?id=uabXBMnp7XgC The Economics of Trade Protection]’’ (Cambridge University Press, 1990) ISBN 052134669X, p. 91</ref>—a fair approximation of “ autarky,”<ref>https://www.economist.com/research/economics/alphabetic.cfm?letter=A#autarky</ref> an economic policy particularly but not exclusively “associated with Nazi economic organization.” <ref>http://www.history-ontheweb.co.uk/concepts/autarky.htm</ref>

===Admiration for Mussolini and Hitler===
The ''[[New York Times]]'' reported that the mood in [[Washington]] in 1933 was “strangely reminiscent of Rome in the first weeks after the march of the Blackshirts, of [[Moscow]] at the beginning of the Five-Year Plan... America today literally asks for orders.” The Roosevelt administration, reported the ''Times,'' “envisages a federation of industry, labor and government after the fashion of the corporative State as it exists in Italy.”<ref>http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60A1FFF3E5C16738DDDAE0894DD405B838FF1D3</ref>

Roosevelt privately found Mussolini "admirable," writing to his personal friend John Lawrence, "I don't mind telling you in confidence, that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman." <ref>David F. Schmitz, ''[https://books.google.com/books?id=Pzt2AAAAMAAJ The United States and fascist Italy, 1922-1940]'' (University of North Carolina Press, 1988 ISBN 080781766X, p. 139)</ref> FDR also wrote to U.S. Ambassador to Italy Breckinridge Long about Mussolini, "I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy and seeking to prevent general European trouble." <ref>[https://books.google.com/books?id=aHEbAAAAIAAJ F.D.R., His Personal Letters, Vol. 3] [Ed. Elliott Roosevelt] [Duell, Sloan and Pearce, 1947], p. 352.</ref>

Hitler likewise expressed "admiration" for Roosevelt's economic policies, and said he was in accord with" Roosevelt's "moral demand," which he identified as the "quintessence of German philosophy of the State," as he wrote in a letter<ref>[http://www.cdojerusalem.org/icons-multimedia/ClientsArea/HoH/LIBARC/ARCHIVE/Chapters/Forging/Foreign/Message.html]</ref> to U.S. Ambassador to Germany [[William Dodd]].

===Fascist means to liberal ends===
[[George Soule]], editor of the pro-Roosevelt ''[[New Republic]]'' magazine, wrote in his 1934 book ''The Coming American Revolution'',<ref>George Soule, [https://books.google.com/books?ei=R4CcSoqXK6SCywSm9tzwDg&id=I89fAAAAIAAJ ''The Coming American Revolution]'', p. 294.</ref> "We are trying out the economics of Fascism without having suffered all its social or political ravages." In the ''North American Review'' in 1934, the progressive writer Roger Shaw described the New Deal as “Fascist means to gain liberal ends.”<ref>http://www.reason.com/news/show/122026.html</ref>

== World War II Era ==
Fascism as an ideological theory was comprehensively discredited in the eyes of most Westerners because of the defeat of the [[Axis]] powers in [[World War II]].

== Modern Times ==
"Fascist" is today frequently used as a term of abuse both on the left and on the right against one's political opponents. While few people are willing to describe themselves as fascists or endorse the fascist regimes of the past, fascist parties and parties descended from fascist parties (such as the [[Alleanza Nazionale]] in [[Italy]]) continue to be a minor force in European politics. Fascism seems not to flourish in countries with an Anglo-centric heritage: America, Australia and Canada have never had significant fascist movements. The [[British Union of Fascists]] was never an important force in British politics, although it was significant enough for the government to consider its leader, Sir Oswald Mosley, dangerous enough to intern during the war.

In addition, since at least the 1960s, the term "Fascist" was used incorrectly to describe nations that go to war and have significant military buildup, the implication being that building up the military means that freedom is at risk. In some cases, this was also applied to countries that even had a military at all. This usage of the term was generally done by [[anti-war]] groups.

In large part because of the false notion that fascism belonged to the right-wing of politics instead of the left-wing, several leftists have falsely referred to President [[Donald Trump]] and his plans to make America great again as "fascist." On a similar note, the left-wing anarchist group [[Antifa]] (which was short for "anti-fascist"), despite its name, was closer in overall ideology and actions to fascism in reality.

===Fascism misdefined as "far-right"===
As noted above, Fascism has largely been falsely identified as being part of the far-right since World War II. There is also a Communist party directive dated back to as early as 1943 that demands that any Communists who encounter any opposition towards their plans are to call their opponents, among other things, fascists and nazis.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIylzZCv_ww</ref> This ultimately came to a head around 2003 when a literature professor by the name of Dr. Lawrence Britt, under the claims that he had studied Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Francisco Franco, Muhammad Suharto, and Augusto Pinochet (even though only Hitler and Mussolini were actual adherents to fascism), made 14 points about Socialism in the various countries, claiming that the fourteen points were the following:

{{cquote|
*Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

*Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

*Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

*Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

*Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

*Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

*Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

*Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

*Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

*Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

*Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

*Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

*Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

*Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.<ref>https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html</ref>}}

However, key flaws in the analysis are made apparent from various elements. In particular, the 1919 Fascist Manifesto listed as its very first point under politics that it will present "Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women", contradicting point 5 of Brett's analysis which indicated that rampant sexism in favor of males was prevalent. On a similar note, the Nazis promoted unlimited abortion to non-Aryan women (as well as Aryan women considered to be disabled physically or mentally), and even engineered a campaign in then-occupied Poland that advocated "women's choice" (or in the original German, "Auswahlfeiheit"),<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20090319125728/http://www.angelfire.com/mo/baha/nazis.html</ref> which is a blatant contradiction to point 5, where it implies that fascist regimes ban abortions specifically out of misogyny. In addition, both the Fascist Manifesto as well as both the 1920 and 1925 versions of the Nazi Platform specifically indicated that they are to disband the military and replacing it with a national militia under the military problems, with the latter sources also condemning the concept of making "war profits", even calling for a revision of military contracts and confiscating profits from them, which conflicts with point four about the supremacy of the military. Likewise, regarding labor unions, both the 1919 Fascist Manifesto and both versions of the Nazi Platform make clear that they if anything considered labor unions their allies, conflicting with point 11. Similarly, Point 10 is conflicted with the same sources, which if anything voiced the corporate power as being the enemy. In fact, a few readings into these sources make clear that most of the elements of fascism are closer in nature to socialism. In addition, point 1 implies that showing any form of patriotism is considered fascist, which ignores that Joseph Goebbels when describing the beliefs of the Nazis, stated that "[the NSDAP] hates Bougeoise Nationalism".<ref>Der Angriff, Dec 6th, 1931</ref>

==See also==
*[[Nazism]]
*[[Fascist Manifesto, 1919]]
*[[Nazi platform of 1920]]
*[[Nazi platform of 1925]]

==Further reading==
* Eatwell, Roger. ''Fascism: A History.'' (1996). 432 pp.
* Laqueur, Walter. ''Fascism: Past, Present, Future.'' (1996). 245 pp.
* Payne, Stanley G. ''A History of Fascism, 1914-1945.'' U. of Wisconsin Press, 1995. 613 pp. the standard history, by a leading conservative historian

==References==
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<center>''See [[coronavirus]] for a more substantive explanation.''</center>
'''Coronavirus disease 2019''', or '''COVID-19''' (also called '''Chinese Virus''', '''Wuhan Virus''' and the '''CCP flu'''), is the name of the disease caused by a novel strain of the [[coronavirus]] (SARS-CoV-2 or 2019-nCoV) identified as originating in [[Wuhan, China]] in late November and early December 2019.<ref>[https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back Coronavirus: China’s first confirmed Covid-19 case traced back to November 17], Josephine Ma, 13 Mar, 2020. www.scmp.com</ref> The outbreak turned into a [[pandemic]], reaching every continent on the planet by March 2020. Genetic mapping suggests that the Wuhan virus is related to severe acute respiratory syndrome [[SARS-CoVid-1|(SARS) of 2002 and 2003]] as well as to the Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) of 2012 to the present. COVID-19 is considered highly infectious with an estimated basic reproduction number (R0) of 2.2. The mortality rate is described as considerably less than 1 percent in people under 65. By comparison, the mortality rate for seasonal influenza is 0.1 percent, SARS was 9 to 10 percent, and MERS was 36 percent.<ref name="Fauci">Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., H. Clifford Lane, M.D., and Robert R. Redfield, M.D., "[https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387 Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted]," ''New England Journal of Medicine'', March 26, 2020.</ref>

Dr. Robert Redfield, former director of the [[Centers for Disease Control and Prevention]] (CDC), told [[CNN]] that he believes the virus escaped from the [[Wuhan Institute of Virology]] (WIV) lab in China. “I do not believe this somehow came from a bat to a human.”<ref>https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/26/coronavirus-robert-redfield-wuhan-institute-of-virology/</ref>

A great deal of research is being conducted on this virus. The first vaccine candidates will enter phase 1 trials by early spring 2020. Therapy is currently limited to supportive care. Medication in current use include the antiviral drugs lopinavir–ritonavir, interferon-1β, the dangerous and expensive RNA polymerase inhibitor remdesivir, and [[hydroxychloroquine]].<ref name="Fauci" />

Because of the [[virus]]' ability to replicate exponentially it is difficult to calculate the total number of people infected, as well as a definitive mortality rate. Quantifying total infections is hampered by the number of test kits available, as well as trained personnel to interpret the results of a novel, previously unknown, virus. The exponential rate of infections can overwhelm healthcare facilities and healthcare givers. With only experimental treatments available for a previously unknown virus, experts recommend persons with symptoms remain home so as to not infect others, or even if your symptoms are unrelated to COVID-19 you could become infected at hospitals where carriers likely are present.

Many carriers of the virus show no symptoms at all, and may never show symptoms. Social distancing, remaining at least 6 feet away from other people, is recommended to avoid infection and for an untested, [[asymptomatic]] (showing no symptoms) carrier to avoid spreading the virus. Each survivor of the virus must build immunity through antibodies. Therefore, the size of a person's initial exposure to the virus is crucial.

Ultimately, experts have stated, some 80% of the planet will be exposed to the infection between 2019 and 2021. [[Herd immunity]] eventually will develop in the human species to survive against the infection. Until a widespread vaccine becomes available in later 2020 or in 2021, practicing such basic habits as handwashing, social distancing, wearing masks to avoid spreading or catching the infection, avoid touch the mucus membranes of your mouth, nose, and eyes, and other sanitary habits are highly recommended for persons who chose to survive this global [[pandemic]].

The virus has the ability to survive on surfaces, such as door knobs, money, tables, floors, etc. Maintaining cleanliness and avoiding contact with surfaces commonly used by the general public is also recommended.

World leaders actively hope that COVID-19 can lead to [[The Great Reset]], and are even openly calling for it in the news.

== Atheistic, Chinese Communist Party and the COVID-19 pandemic ==

''See also:'' [[Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic]]

The [[Chinese Communist Party]] (CCP) mandates its members be [[atheists]] (see: [[China and atheism]] and [[Atheism and communism]] and [[militant atheism]] and [[State atheism]]).<ref>[https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/19567-china-s-communist-party-reaffirms-marxism-maoism-atheism China’s Communist Party Reaffirms Marxism, Maoism, Atheism], New American, 2014</ref><ref>[http://www.ibtimes.com/senior-chinese-religious-advisor-calls-promotion-atheism-society-2363850 Senior Chinese Religious Advisor Calls For Promotion Of Atheism In Society], ''International Business Times''</ref>

The CCP tried to cover up the emergence of the COVID-19 which prevented the pandemic being contained in its early stages.<ref name="theatlantic.com">[https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/ China Is Avoiding Blame by Trolling the World], The Atlantic</ref>

China allowed thousands of COVID-19 infected people leave China during the early stage of the pandemic when the world was not aware of it.<ref>[https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-pandemic-china-confronting-chinese-communist-party/ To Confront China After Coronavirus, We Must See the Bigger Picture], National Review</ref>

''The Atlantic'' reported concerning the role of the CCP to allow the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic to spread in China and globally during its early stages:
{{Cquote|China has a history of mishandling outbreaks, including SARS in 2002 and 2003. But Chinese leaders’ negligence in December and January—for well over a month after the first outbreak in Wuhan—far surpasses those bungled responses. The end of last year was the time for authorities to act, and, as Nicholas D. Kristof of The New York Times has noted, “act decisively they did—not against the virus, but against whistle-blowers who were trying to call attention to the public health threat.”

This is what allowed the virus to spread across the globe. Because the Chinese Communist Party was pretending that there was little to be concerned about, Wuhan was a porous purveyor of the virus. The government only instituted a lockdown in Wuhan on January 23—seven weeks after the virus first appeared. As events in Italy, the United States, Spain, and France have shown, quite a lot can happen in a week, much less seven. By then, mayor Zhou Xianwang admitted that more than 5 million people had already left Wuhan.<ref name="theatlantic.com">[https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/china-trolling-world-and-avoiding-blame/608332/ China Is Avoiding Blame by Trolling the World], The Atlantic</ref>}}

==Dr. Zelenko's treatment approved for nationwide use ==
''See also:'' [[Vladimir Zelenko]] and [[Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment]]

As of March 27, 2020, the most successful doctor treating coronavirus patients is [[Vladimir Zelenko]], M.D. as none of this 699 patients have died or have required intubations whereas 1.5% of U.S. coronavirus patients die.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaSHM1TK5tM Vladimir Zelenko: Important March 27, 2020 update regarding my coronavirus treatment regimen]</ref> See: [[Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment]]

[[President Donald Trump]] expressed optimism that Dr. Zelenko's treatment could be expanded to meet the threat of the deadly disease during the national emergency. Several [[Democrat]] governors subsequently issued [[executive order]]s banning the treatment.<ref>https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2020/03/democrats-fear-cure.html</ref> On March 30, 2020, the [[Food and Drug Administration]] granted expedited approval of [[hydroxychloroquine]] nationwide for treatment of COVID-19.<ref>https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/29/fda-emergency-authorization-anti-malaria-drug-155095</ref> [[War on science|Anti-science]] [[Democrat]] governors however, showing no regard for the lives of their people, resisted the FDA approved treatment.

President Trump is now taking hydroxychloroquine and zinc as a prophylactic (preventitive measure), though he first checked with his personal physician that it was safe to do so (people with heart conditions should not take hydroxychloroquine).<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsfqJ1TkgP0 Donald Trump says he takes hydroxychloroquine drug for Covid-19]</ref>

== Origin of Covid-19 virus ==
:{{See also|CCP pandemic coverup}}
Chinese students researchers indicated the novel coronavirus may have begun human-to-human transmission in late November 2019 from a place other than the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan. A study published on ChinaXiv, a Chinese open repository for scientific researchers, reveals the new coronavirus was introduced to the seafood market from another location, and then spread rapidly from market to market.<ref>https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml</ref> The Chinese Communist Party deleted the page.

===''The Lancet'' disputes CCP wet market claims===
CCP propaganda outfits announced the virus may have originated at a government laboratory only 280 meters away from the Huanan seafood market. Disease-ridden animals, including more than 600 horseshoe bats, were kept at the facility. A Chinese-language newspaper published in Hong Kong, ''Ming Pao'', and the British daily, ''The Mirror'' explained that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control, or WHCDC, could have spawned the contagion in Hubei Province. It stated that it's plausible the virus was leaked from the lab and contaminated initial patients in this epidemic. Sen. [[Tom Cotton]], citing ''The Lancet'', tweeted
{{quotebox|China claimed—for almost two months—that coronavirus had originated in a Wuhan seafood market. That is not the case. @TheLancet published a study demonstrating that of the original 40 cases, 14 of them had no contact with the seafood market, including Patient Zero.<ref>https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/tom-cotton-implies-coronavirus-originated-in-wuhan-super-laboratory</ref>}}
This suggests that there was an earlier source of the virus that is unrelated to the seafood market and that has not yet been traced. If this theory is correct, the infection originated no later than November and infected the seafood market in December. The case histories and the pattern of infection were known to Chinese researchers from the beginning, so earlier reports fingering the market may have been intentionally misleading.<ref>Cohen, Jon, "[https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally]," ''Science'', Jan. 26, 2020.</ref> ''[[The Washington Post]]'', which routinely publishes Chinese Communist [[propaganda]], blasted Sen. Cotton over his comments.<ref>https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/19/washington-post-uses-chinese-propaganda-in-attempt-to-blast-sen-tom-cotton-over-coronavirus-comments/</ref>

On February 6, 2020 scientists from the South China University of Technology uploaded a paper on the origins of Coronavirus:
{{quotebox|The Lancet reported that 27 of 41 infected patients were found to have contact with the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan. We noted two laboratories conducting research on bat coronavirus in Wuhan, one of which was only 280 meters from the seafood market. We briefly examined the histories of the laboratories and proposed that the coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory…… The bats carrying CoV ZC45 were originally found in Yunnan or Zhejiang province, both of which were more than 900 kilometers away from the seafood market. Bats were normally found to live in caves and trees. But the seafood market is in a densely-populated district of Wuhan, a metropolitan of ~15 million people. The probability was very low for the bats to fly to the market. According to municipal reports and the testimonies of 31 residents and 28 visitors, the bat was never a food source in the city, and no bat was traded in the market.<ref>http://archive.is/ATNpb</ref>}}
China's leftwing censors however deleted the content.<ref>https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3831465/posts</ref>

===Dr. Li issues public warning===
[[Dr. Li Wenliang]] was an ophthalmologist in [[Wuhan, China]] who became a [[whistleblower]] and victim of the [[Chinese Communist Party]] (CCP). Efforts by Dr. Li to alert the Chinese people to the danger of the [[CCP coronavirus]] in late December 2019, and his subsequent death 5 weeks later did not go unpunished. Dr. Li has been elevated to the status of saint and folk hero among the Chinese people.

On December 30, 2019 Dr. Li posted the lab test result of a coronavirus patient in a group chat to a class of about 150 students writing:
{{Quotebox|“7 cases of SARS have been confirmed in the South China Fruit and Seafood Market and they were isolated in the emergency department of our hospital. Please tell your families to take preventative measures.”}}
Some doctors confirmed that healthcare workers were starting to become infected around this time, a significant sign that the virus could spread between humans. Health officials in Wuhan were alerted. Instead of ramping up safety measures and alerting the public, on the same day they issued a notice forbidding all medical institutes or individuals from disclosing any information regarding the new disease. At midnight, Dr. Li was summoned by the CCP Security Police. They questioned him about why he was spreading rumors online.

On December 31, Wuhan's health commission posted an announcement about the outbreak on their website. They confirmed 27 cases of the infection and said there was no evidence that the disease was contagious among humans. According to a research paper written by Chinese officials, which was published later, the number of virus cases had reached at least 105 by the end of 2019. At that point, 15 people had already died. A media report also showed that one major hospital in Wuhan, Xiehe Hospital, was forced to transform an entire floor of the facility into “quarantine space for contagious disease.” [[Taiwan]] officials notified the [[World Health Organization]] (WHO) that the virus was being spread from human-to-human.<ref>https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/20/who-taiwan-coronavirus-warning/</ref> Communist party officials in China and military personnel began taking preventative measures, however the public was never alerted.

====8 doctors arrested for issuing public warnings====
On January 3, 2020 Dr. Li was asked to sign a confession to charges of committing [[crime]]s against the [[leftist]] regime, spreading “illegal and false” information and that he had “severely disrupted social order.” 7 other doctors also were charged. The confesion read:
{{quotebox|"On December 30, 2019, WeChat group "Clinical Wuhan University 04" issued untrue statements about 7 cases of SARS diagnosed in the South China fruit and seafood market. Now raise warnings and admonitions according to law on the illegal issue of untrue statements on the [[Internet]]. Your behavior severely disrupts social order. Your behavior has exceeded the scope permitted by [[law]], and it violates the relevant provisions of the Law of the [[People's Republic of China]] on Public Security Management Penalties, which is an [[illegal]] act! The public security organ hopes that you will actively cooperate with your work, follow the advice of the [[police]], and stop the illegal behavior. can you do it? Answer: Yes We hope that you calm down and reflect carefully, and solemnly warn you: if you are stubborn, do not think about [[repentance]], and continue to carry out illegal activities, you will be punished by the law! do you understand? Answer: understand"<ref>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E6%9D%8E%E6%96%87%E4%BA%AE%E7%9A%84%E8%AE%AD%E8%AF%AB%E4%B9%A6.png File:李文亮的训诫书.png WikiCommons]</ref>}}

====CCP controlled Wuhan Municipal Health Commission begins cover up ====
On December 31, 2019 the CCP controlled Wuhan Municipal Health Commission declared, “The investigation so far has not found any obvious human-to-human transmission and no medical staff infection.” This is the opposite of the belief of the doctors working on patients in Wuhan, and two doctors were already suspected of contracting the virus.<ref>https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/IzzCnz4Yr2jEIYZePiu_ow</ref><ref>[[User:RobSmith/Text of article censored by Google translate]]</ref>

The CCP employed standard [[technocrat]]ic and [[bureaucrat]]ic rhetoric to qualm public fears:
{{quotebox|Twenty-seven cases have been found , of which 7 are in serious condition, and the remaining cases are stable and controllable. Two patients are expected to be discharged in the near future. The clinical manifestations of the cases were mainly fever, a few patients had difficulty breathing, and chest radiographs showed bilateral lung infiltrative lesions. At present, all cases have been isolated for treatment, follow-up investigations and medical observations of close contacts are ongoing, and hygiene investigations and environmental sanitation disposals for South China Seafood City are ongoing.

Wuhan organized the consultation of clinical medicine, epidemiology, and virology experts in Tongji Hospital, Provincial Center for Disease Control, [[Wuhan Institute of Virology]], Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan Infectious Disease Hospital, and Wuhan Center for Disease Control and other units, and the experts returned from the disease and treatment, Epidemiological investigation, preliminary laboratory tests and other aspects of the situation analysis that the above cases are viral pneumonia. The investigation so far has not found any obvious human-to-human transmission and no medical staff infection.}}
Tao Lina, a public-health expert and former official with Shanghai's center for disease control and prevention, tells the South China Morning Post, “I think we are [now] quite capable of killing it in the beginning phase, given China’s disease control system, emergency handling capacity and clinical medicine support.”<ref>https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3044050/mystery-illness-hits-chinas-wuhan-city-nearly-30-hospitalised</ref>

====WHO collusion with CCP====
[[File:WHO-CCP Wuhan virus.PNG|right|300px|thumb|The WHO tweeted misinformation from the Chinese Communist Party that the world had nothing to fear from the coronavirus outbreak.]]
Li was ordered to return to work where he contracted the virus. On January 6, 2020 the center for disease control in [[Shanghai]] acquired the complete gene sequencing of the new virus. They found over 89 percent similarity between the new virus and the deadly SARS virus that caused a pandemic in 2003. The information was sent to China's national CDC in an internal document. From January 6 to January 17, CCP officials reported zero new cases. In the 11 day period the communist authorities in Wuhan City and Hubei Province held their most important annual political meetings. Over 2,000 “representatives of the people” gathered to discuss the “amazing achievements of 2019” and how 2020 will be “a tremendous and promising year.” There was little mention of the coronavirus. On January 14 the [[World Health Organization]] [[tweet]]ed,
{{Quotebox-float|"Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan #China<ref>https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/18/flashback-who-china-coronavirus-contagious/</ref>}}
The same day a group of [[Hong Kong]] journalists accompanied Hong Kong experts who were invited to conduct research on the virus outbreak. The reporters were later detained by Chinese Security Police, who photographed their reporter IDs and asked them to delete all footage taken inside hospitals.

At this same time a post on the Chinese [[social media]] site Weibo, a person's dad was confirmed to have viral pneumonia. But the Xiehe Hospital in Wuhan refused to admit the father due to a shortage of hospital beds. Another netizen posted that his entire family was infected. They went to the Tongji Hospital in Wuhan and saw that “there were so many patients that some had to lie on the floor of the corridor.” His father was also sent home to self-quarantine because there weren't enough hospital beds. The post was later deleted. So were all other posts in the user's account.<ref>https://www.ntd.com/a-timeline-of-events-leading-up-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak-in-china_442592.html</ref> That was the week Wuhan authorities didn't report a single confirmed or suspected case.

From January 12 to 16, an estimated 3 million passengers left Wuhan by train over the Chinese New Year holiday, to visit family and friends in other cities in China. On January 17, 2020 Wuhan's tourism bureau issued over 200,000 free tourism tickets. It was an effort to entice people to visit the city so they could experience the “Chinese style and warm sentiments of Wuhan.” On January 18, Baibuting, a populous district in Wuhan, held an annual banquet to celebrate the Lunar New Year holiday. Three days before, staff from the neighborhood committee who were concerned about the outbreak asked if they could cancel the banquet, but communist officials denied the request. Over 40,000 families attended the banquet. Local communist apparatchiks ordered labs to stop testing for the virus and destroy the existing samples.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRagZsnEc2Q&feature=youtu.be</ref>

World Health Organization (WHO) boss [[Tadros Adhanom]] was a leader in [[Ethiopia]]'s Tigray People's Liberation Front, a wing of the ruling [[Marxist]] Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front. Adhanom served the repressive regime as Minister of Foreign Affairs from 2012 to 2016 after a stint as Health Minister. As a candidate for the top post, ''The New York Times'' accused Tad Adhanom of covering up at least three [[epidemic]]s.<ref>http://archive.is/9B2Zy</ref>

The Communist regime did not allow the WHO into China until February 10, 2020 - more than two months after the first cases were observed.
<ref>https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/10/asia/wuhan-coronavirus-update-intl-hnk/index.html</ref>

Researchers have identified a "tipping point" at which the virus goes from dangerous to deadly in extremely susceptible patients. A WHO report written 18 days later based on observation in China stated that 80% of infections ("mild cases") can self-isolate, 13% require hospitalization, and 6% require intensive care. While many patients experience nothing more than a mild cold, one in seven patients develops difficulty breathing and other "severe" complications, while 6% become critically ill and require hospitalization to stabilize their condition, risking death if they can't receive the highest level of care.<ref>https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/scientists-warn-about-dangerous-tipping-point-where-covid-19-goes-mild-deadly</ref> Some questions remain regarding whether the developed world has enough hospital beds available to treat cases requiring hospitalization. WHO said the coronavirus ''infection rate'' (as opposed to death rate) was thought to be the same as the flu when the virus was only known in China but has since been found to be ''two to three times that infectious''.<ref>https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/who-raises-death-rate-and-risk-of-coronavirus-one-expert-declares-wwii/</ref>

Tad Adhamon criticized travel bans to and from China saying, "There is no reason for measures that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade." The WHO was not allowed into China until February 10, 2020, more than two months after the virus was first discovered. Adhanom praised the CCP's response: "We appreciate the seriousness with which China is taking this outbreak, especially the commitment from top leadership and the transparency they have demonstrated," and "China is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response." Film clips of Adhanom are shown on Chinese television saying, "China took action massively at the epicenter at the source of the outbreak. This is heroic. The actions of China is making us safer."

Peter Humphrey, a British investigator who was jailed in China in 2013 had been drugged, chained to a chair, locked in a cage and made to read out a statement written by the police in front of cameras. The anchor who presented the footage, James Chao, is now a goodwill ambassador with the World Health Organization.

The World Health Organization is horribly corrupt. An audit revealed there has been a surge in internal corruption allegations across the whole of the
organization with the detection of multiple schemes aimed at defrauding large sums of money from the international body, overwhelming an internal team of full-time investigators. An ''[[Associated Press]]'' expose in 2017 found that nearly half of the WHO two billion dollar budget went to first-class airfare and five-star hotels. The United States is the largest contributor US taxpayers fund about a quarter of the WHO budget. The WHO is working with [[Google]] to ensure that people get information from the [[UN]] health agency first when they search for information about the virus.

====Dr. Li's exoneration and death====
On January 20 [[President Xi]] finally acknowledged the crisis.<ref>https://thecritic.co.uk/the-coronavirus-cover-up/</ref> On January 23 the entire city of Wuhan, 11 million people, was put on lockdown. By the end of the month 50 million Chinese were on lockdown. On January 28, the Supreme Court of the Communist Party of China issued a statement that Dr. Li and the other "rumor makers" had been "rectified", but it was too late.

On the evening of February 6, Dr. Li died. The news quickly aroused strong attention and condemnation. However, Wuhan Central Hospital later issued a microblog saying that Li Wenliang was in critical condition and doctors were working to save his life. A number of insiders and doctors disclosed on social media that in the process, the authorities faced public indignation and ordered a series of attempts at resuscitation, but to no avail. A few hours later, the news of Li Wenliang's death again was released and detonated on WeChat and Weibo. By 6 a.m. local time, the keywords " Dr. Li Wenliang's death " and "Li Wenliang's death" ranked high on the Weibo topic list, with a total of 670 million views and 737,000 discussions.<ref>https://www.ntdtv.com/gb/2020/02/07/a102771379.html</ref> Before the end of the day news of Dr. Li's death had over 1.5 billion views on Weibo.<ref>https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/coronavirus-chinese-public-mourns-rages-over-death-of-doctor-who-raised-early-alarm</ref> An announcement on NTD of Dr. Li's death read:
{{quotebox| [NTD Beijing, February 07, 2020] Dr. Wenliang Li , who first announced Wuhan pneumonia, died at the age of 34 on the evening of the 6th due to improper treatment of a new coronavirus infection. His death ignited a new wave of angry tsunami among the public over the CCP's concealment. After Li Wenliang's death was exposed on the [[Internet]], the authorities, under pressure from public opinion, pretended to rescue the whole person, and performed 3 hours of chest compressions and electric shocks on the dead Li Wenliang, causing his ribs to be completely broken and beyond recognition . 

On February 7th, an independent economist, "Financial Cold Eye" (@charles984681), tweeted that the hospital director was afraid that Li Wenliang's death would lead to public outrage. After 3 hours of death, he was continuously subjected to CPR, which is the shock of cardiac resuscitation. It usually takes only a few minutes. After three hours, Li Wenliang's ribs were completely broken and beyond recognition . Tweeted that
*"Dr. Li was wronged alive, and he was abused after his death! With the worst of malice, I can't imagine how despicable this devil behavior is." 

In this regard, many netizens have commented: 
*"Too evil!" 
*"Under the autocratic system, the people of Li Min are nothing but the servants of the nobles." 
*"It is most likely a premeditated murder. This person has become a serious trouble for the nobles!" 

In addition, many network screenshots showed that Li Wenliang's treatment was extremely inadequate and timely, and the hospital director was under pressure. Li Wenliang was the worst one among the eight. Li Wenliang's lung film, all white! I never thought about letting him live! This man will be regarded as a hero in the United States! He was killed directly in the CCP! His wife ’s unborn child was also hit!

It is reported that Li Wenliang stopped his heartbeat at 9:30 and was intubated 20 minutes later. Finally, he went to ECMO (artificial lung) for a symbolic rescue to calm the anger of hundreds of millions of netizens. CCP officials have been rebuked as "political rescue.".....

There was a regret on the Internet that "the hero is gone", and lamented, angered, and rebuked the CCP "this regime has committed [[crimes against humanity]]!"

*"Burning !!! Doctor Li Wenliang died at the age of 34, leaving his wife and unborn child. Wuhan government, Hubei government, don't you give an explanation? Without heart, as human beings, the TAs are just humans! See At the time of this news, do you have any trace of guilt and regret for those "killers" who indirectly kill people? "

*"This time, the doctor who first warned the Chinese and the world and informed you of the epidemic was sacrificed today. He is Li Wenliang. After the epidemic was announced, he and several other doctors were arrested by the public security ... With the incident exposed, the Chinese government must Do n’t apologize. The official said it was because of the infection, and we have reason to suspect how he died? "

Password of the Propaganda Department of the Communist Party of China

It is said that the magnitude of the rebound [public reaction] has unexpectedly surprised the CCP, and the CCP propaganda department has issued a password.

Independent economist Qin Peng tweeted that the official propaganda requirements of the CCP came out as soon as possible.

*"Regarding the death of Dr. Li Wenliang of Wuhan Central Hospital, we must strictly standardize the source [control the narrative] of the manuscript. We are strictly forbidden to use media reports to report without permission. We must not pop-up the window, do not comment or speculate. Search and strictly control harmful information. "

Qin Peng said that if it were not for the life-threatening plague, how many Chinese people could not imagine the evil of the Chinese Communist Party!<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f0pmw8/rumored_dr_li_wenliangs_ribs_were_completely/</ref> }}

===Illegal bioweapon Gain of Function research in Wuhan===
:{{See also|Gain of function}}
One theory that has recently been postulated is that the coronavirus may be linked to Chinese bio-weapons research.<ref>https://ktrh.iheart.com/content/2020-01-24-virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-to-chinese-bio-warfare-program/?pname=local_social&keyid=KTRH&sc=editorial</ref> The city of Wuhan, where the virus originated, has the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where "''...it was reported to have studied coronaviruses in the past, including the strain that causes Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS, the H5N1 influenza virus, Japanese encephalitis, and dengue''".<ref>http://www.tibetanreview.net/did-the-wuhan-virus-escape-from-chinas-bio-weapons-lab/</ref> A second facility nearby, Wuhan Institute of Biological Products, is also listed one of eight research facilities under the 1985 Biological Weapons Convention, of which China is a signatory.

Dr Francis Boyle is an eminent professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law in the U.S. In an explosive interview with Geopolitics and Empire, Dr Boyle, who drafted the Biological Weapons Act, gave a detailed statement on how the 2019 Wuhan Coronavirus is an offensive biological warfare weapon and that the World Health Organization (WHO) already knew about it.<ref>https://greatgameindia.com/dr-francis-boyle-creator-of-bioweapons-act-says-coronavirus-is-biological-warfare-weapon/</ref>

The State Department issued a report in 2019 stating "''Information indicates that the People’s Republic of China engaged during the reporting period in biological activities with potential dual-use applications, which raises concerns regarding its compliance with the BWC."''<ref>https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Compliance-Report-2019-August-19-Unclassified-Final.pdf</ref> For its part, China has stated that it does not engage in bio-weapons engineering,<ref>https://www.nti.org/learn/countries/china/biological/</ref> despite discussion of bio and genetic weapons being discussed at the highest levels of the Chinese military,<ref>https://jamestown.org/program/chinas-military-biotech-frontier-crispr-military-civil-fusion-and-the-new-revolution-in-military-affairs/</ref> as well as a "white paper" drafted in 2001 which stressed ''"...in order to strengthen the effectiveness of the BWC, a necessary verification mechanism should be established"''.<ref>https://media.nti.org/pdfs/5a_1.pdf</ref>

[[India]]n researchers have found [[HIV]]-derived inserts in the coronavirus [[genome]] that compound the infectious potential and greatly bolster the argument this virus was developed as a bioterror weapon. A 2016 Worldwide Threat Assessment by [[John Brennan]] and the US [[Intelligence Community]] lists China as a major potential “terror actor” and genome editing as a major terror risk.<ref>https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/02/01/coronavirus-the-plot-thickens/</ref>


====Dr. Anthonly Fauci and the NIAID====
As head of the NIAID, [[Dr. Anthony Fauci]] doles out millions of dollars in research grants. Fauci approved a grant for gain of function research to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). The grant was not approved by a mandatory oversight board.<ref>Also known as P3CO or Potential Pandemic Preparedness Care and Oversight. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/hhs-board-never-approved-wuhan-institute-of-virology-research-grant/</ref>

Fauci was informed on February 1, 2020 that the covid virus was a bioweapon manufactured in the WIV laboratory. As the nation's top health advisor, Fauci did not inform the president of the United States, nor anyone in the [[Department of Health and Human Services]] or the Center for Disease Control. Fauci's initial reaction was to cover up the fact that he had funded the research that produced the virus,<ref>https://thefederalist.com/2021/06/03/fauci-email-dump-illustrates-a-dismissive-physician-who-rose-to-fame-to-cover-his-own-scandal/</ref> and the fact that the research had not been approved by the oversight board. Fauci arranged a teleconference with 11 virologists who were recipients of grant money from Fauci outside of government, who then, in turn, issued papers and statements denying that the virus originated in a laboratory.<ref> https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/14/dr-faucis-emails-tell-the-story-of-panic-lies-and-a-possible-cover-up/</ref>

[[File:Covid 19 bioweapon.PNG|right|350px|thumb|Leaked Chinese document.]]
====Peoples Liberation Army====

According to leaked documents, COVID-19 was created in a laboratory by the Chinese [[People's Liberation Army]] and fine-tuned as a bioweapon. It was specifically designed to be highly contagious, but often [[asymptomatic]], have low lethality, but produce uncontrollable variants and possessing characteristics providing plausible deniability as a bioweapon.

According to [[Chinese military doctrine]], such bioweapons are used prior to a declaration of war for political or international strategic needs, where the use of which can be denied. The intent, according to leaked documents, being: "Even if the academic evidence, virological evidence, and animal experiment data could possibly prove (that the virus comes from the lab), we can just deny it, stop (investigation), suppress (scholars), make sure the international organizations and honest people’s work is futile.”

A fully formed sample of COVID-19 was ready for testing in early 2019, while a parallel [[vaccine]] program was underway.

Scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology were chosen to participate in non-human primate (monkeys) transmission testing, simulated coronavirus release and response exercises such as at Wuhan’s Tianhe airport in September 2019 and an actual test release of COVID-19 at the 2019 Military World Games from October 18–27, 2019.<ref>https://ccnationalsecurity.org/more-evidence-leaked-from-china-on-the-deliberate-release-of-covid-19-by-the-chinese-military/</ref>

===Early cover story===
:{{See also|CCP propaganda war}}
On January 23, 2020 the Wuhan virus exploded. While Wuhan announced the lockdown of the city, Dr. [[Shi Zhengli]] of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, who had isolated the bat virus, spliced it, and made it transmissible to humans, provided the official Chinese communist cover story that the virus arose in nature. Shi published a paper in the authoritative science journal, ''Nature'' on February 3, 2020 stating that the Wuhan coronavirus was of probable bat origin.<ref>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7</ref> The paper indicated that the Wuhan virus utilized the same key as SARS to gain entry into the human body. She also announced the 2019-nCoV genome sequence was 96.2% consistent with a bat coronavirus originating in [[Yunnan]], China, called RaTG13, signaling a natural source of the Wuhan virus.<ref>https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/02/24/study-china-lied-wuhan-virus-did-not-originate-in-meat-market/</ref>

The ''Washington Post'' picked up the Chinese fake news narrative and indicated "The trigger point for the current coronavirus remains unclear, but [[China]] has linked the outbreak to the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, which despite its name also appeared to be selling live cats and dogs, wild chickens, snakes and marmots."<ref>[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/coronavirus-outbreak-underscores-potential-health-risks-in-chinas-wild-animal-trade/2020/01/25/5f5353be-3f6f-11ea-971f-4ce4f94494b4_story.html Coronavirus outbreak underscores potential health risks in China’s wild animal trade], ''Washington Post'', 2020</ref> CNN reported concerning China: "Vendors in small city markets often sell wild animals including rodents, yak, snakes and even porcupines, and experts say that makes them far more dangerous. The meat could contain deadly pathogens like the coronavirus."<ref>[https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/27/world/coronavirus-china-bans-wildlife-trade-trnd/index.html Chinese officials crack down on wildlife markets as coronavirus outbreak nears 3,000 cases]</ref>

"Wet market" refers to the blood of animals slain on the spot. The first case can be traced back to November 17, 2019, and the first death on December 9, 2019. Some cases were rumored among stallholders from the Wuhan South China Seafood Market in early December but hushed up by Chinese authorities.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBxZ1XIYmGc&feature=push-prem-sub&attr_tag=Pi2j7UuDGqgDAixI%3A6</ref> This market is said to have sold processed meats and live animals, including chickens, donkeys, sheep, pigs, foxes, badgers, bamboo rats, hedgehogs, and snakes.<ref>"[https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-chinese-wet-market-photos-2020-1#the-huanan-wholesale-seafood-market-in-wuhan-closed-on-january-1-after-it-was-found-to-be-the-most-likely-starting-point-for-the-outbreak-of-this-coronavirus-called-2019-ncov-1 The outbreaks of both the Wuhan coronavirus and SARS likely started in Chinese wet markets. Photos show what the markets look like.]", ''Business Insider''</ref>

CNN kept the ball rolling for Chinese propagandists reporting that previous coronavirus outbreaks include SARS-CoV in 2002-2003 and MERS-CoV in 2012. Both of these strains originated in bats. SARS was transferred to humans through a masked palm civet, presumably in a Chinese wet market. MERS was transferred through a camel in Saudi Arabia. The protein codes in the Wuhan virus are most similar to those found in snakes, so it is possible that the virus jumped to humans from a snake. Snakes often hunt bats for food, but disease rarely transmits from a warm-blooded animal to a cold-blooded animal.<ref>"[https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/22/health/snakes-wuhan-coronavirus-outbreak-conversation-partner/index.html Snakes could be the source of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak]," CNN, January 24, 2020.</ref>

== Blood-clotting ==

[[COVID-19]] has reportedly caused increased blood clotting, which can cause strokes or heart attacks.<ref>https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/covid19-stroke-blood-clots-prevent-blood-thinners-virtua-troy-randle-trial-pitt-20210104.html</ref> A participant in one of the [[vaccine]] trials also suffered an unexpected heart attack at age 70, and died.

==See also==
*[[Operation Warp Speed]]

==References==
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Vaccine

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[[Image:Vaccine.jpg|right|thumb|350px|[[Avian flu]] vaccine development]]
A '''vaccine''' is a pharmaceutical product containing an [[antigen]] designed to stimulate the production of antibodies against a particular disease or diseases.<ref>https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/explainer-what-vaccine</ref> There are numerous reasons why many people prefer to avoid taking vaccines, but laws and other rules (often pushed into place by those who stand to make significant profit) frequently mandate them. The Pfizer and Moderna [[COVID]] vaccines use an mRNA to trick the recipient's cells into generating a SARS-Cov-2 spike protein, in order to create incomplete immunity to the disease. This differs from how most traditional vaccines inject an inactivated virus itself.<ref>https://www.menshealth.com/health/a35589366/mrna-vs-traditional-vaccine/</ref>

Vaccine manufacturers themselves admit to numerous severe harms caused by their products, in their packaging information which parents rarely see.

==Mechanism==
If the body produces an antibody against a particular disease or toxin, it can identify the infection early on and the [[immune system]] can destroy it. Vaccines work by exposing the body to a form of the disease in such a way that it is much less likely to cause illness but still allows antibodies to develop. This confers a level of immunity to the person or animal vaccinated.<ref>http://www.howstuffworks.com/immune-system7.htm How stuff works: Antibodies</ref>

Since the adoption of mass vaccination programs, many diseases have been curbed. [[Smallpox]], a contagious disease that killed 30 percent of those it infected, has been entirely eliminated through vaccination, excepting some strains maintained in labs for research purposes. Vaccination programs of the 19th and 20th century were effective at curbing the disease, and in 1979 the World Health Organization declared smallpox to be eradicated.<ref>https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/history/history.html</ref>

Another disease that has been eliminated from the US is [[Polio]], which killed over 3,000 people in the United States in 1952,<ref>https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/VSUS_1952_2.pdf</ref> and afflicted such noted persons as President [[Franklin Delano Roosevelt]], actor Alan Alda, and musician Itzak Perlman. When doctors began using a vaccine to fight polio, it practically eradicated the disease in the developed world.<ref>https://www.cdc.gov/polio/progress/index.htm</ref>

The incidence of other diseases such as [[diphtheria]], [[pertussis]], and [[measles]], has decreased greatly from improvements in sanitation, increased awareness of the benefits of hand-washing and other preventive measures, and the invention of vaccines against these diseases.<ref>https://www.unicef.org/pon96/hevaccin.htm</ref>

While vaccines have been successful at preventing infectious disease, they have also resulted in controversy regarding their safety and effectiveness, legal and ethical issues surrounding mandatory vaccination, and whether children should be vaccinated against STDs<ref>https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/ethical-issues-and-vaccines</ref><ref>https://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/January-2018/are-vaccine-ingredients-safe.aspx</ref>

There are five major types of vaccines and they are differentiated by what type of antigen is used. Live attenuated vaccines are created from the actual disease in question, however before injection the [[pathogen]] is [[attenuated]] (weakened) by growing successive generations of the pathogen in poor nutrient conditions. Because they contain live pathogens, it is still possible for these vaccines to cause infection, particularly in immunocompromised individuals. Inactivated vaccines are created from pathogens that have been killed, usually with [[formaldehyde]]. Toxoid vaccines are created by using toxins produced by the pathogen, these toxins are exposed to heat and/or chemicals such as formaldehyde to inactivate the toxins, but [[antibodies]] that are produced to these deactivated toxins will also protect against the real toxin. Subunit vaccines use pieces of the pathogen in the vaccine. These pieces often consist of unique protein segments that stimulate the production of antibodies. Finally, conjugate vaccines protect against bacteria that are encapsulated in polysaccharides (complex sugars), which disguise the bacteria, making it hard for the immune system to recognize them. Conjugate vaccines overcome this by attaching the sugar to a protein the does stimulate the immune system, thus triggering the immune system to react to the sugar in the future even if it is not accompanied by the protein.<ref>https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-understand-color-office.pdf</ref>

==Influenza Vaccine==
The flu vaccine is an example of modern vaccination. Due to the change in [[allele]] frequency over time in the population of the influenza virus, new influenza vaccines are created each year. In some years the vaccines are less effective than in other years. According to the CDC,<ref>"Inactivated Influenza Vaccine, What you need to know," a publication of the Center for Disease Control, 2006. Available online at: https://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/VIS/vis-flu.pdf</ref>
<blockquote>
Influenza viruses are always changing. Therefore, influenza vaccines are updated every year, and annual vaccination is recommended.
</blockquote>
Since the production of the vaccine must begin many months before the influenza season starts models of the population genetics of the virus must be produced.<ref>http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v5/n3/full/nrd1988.html Influenza vaccines</ref> The success of vaccinations programs is dependent on the accuracy of these predictions.<ref>http://www.nature.com/news/2003/030324/full/030324-5.html Flu changes modeled</ref> The National Institute of Health recently assigned $26 million to establish a research center to better develop molecular models of influenza.<ref>http://www.spiritindia.com/health-care-news-articles-8024.html $26 million NIH contract to establish new flu/bird flu Center of Excellence</ref>

==Problems==
Vaccination requirements are inserted into laws, often unjustifiably, by [[Big Pharma]] for profits and by governmental officials to increase their control. It is common for advocates of vaccination to receive undisclosed compensation from Big Pharma, either directly or through a spouse. This medial offering which was initially developed and released as something to benefit society has become a point of tension and even oppression to many individuals.

Many injuries from vaccination are admitted by the government, and severe potential side effects are disclosed on packaging labels that most parents never see. The sharp rise in [[autism]], which is generally considered incurable and afflicts 1 out of every 59 children, has a correlation with the increase in vaccination; the incidence of autism is greater in states where children receive more vaccines, such as [[New Jersey]] and [[North Carolina]].<ref>https://www.healthline.com/health/autism/autism-rates-by-state#2</ref> "The new estimate represents a 15% increase from two years prior and a 150% increase since 2000."<ref>https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/26/health/autism-prevalence-cdc/index.html</ref> ''See generally'' [[vaccines and autism]].

Traditionally a few highly tested vaccines were recommended for children to protect against deadly or severe diseases, such as [[smallpox]] and [[polio]]. Beginning in the 1990s, however, profit-driven vaccine manufacturers lobbied states and pediatrician organizations to compel numerous additional vaccines for sexually transmitted or less dangerous diseases. In addition, emotion based on inadequate information can cause over-vaccination.

15 US states have philosophical exemptions allowing parents to decline the vaccines; 45 states have religious exemptions; all states have medical exemptions,<ref>https://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx</ref><ref>http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/cc-exem.htm</ref> but they are hardest to obtain. Some parents choose to [[homeschooling|homeschool]] rather than submit their children to numerous vaccinations as required by state laws, due to lobbying by vaccine manufacturers, as a condition of being in school.

=== Adverse Reactions ===
{{See also|Vaccine Injury Compensation Program|Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System}}
Vaccines have substantial side effects, and many vaccines have significant morbidity and mortality associated with them. In the fiscal year 2017 alone, it is estimated that $220 million will be paid to victims of vaccines, and underpayments or improper denials of payment are common.<ref>http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/05/09/whopping-vaccine-injury-payouts-us-fiscal-year-2017-released/</ref> More than Postvaccinial encephalitis is a known hazard of [[smallpox]] vaccine, for example. A recently introduced vaccine against human papilloma virus, the causative agent of cancer of the [[uterus|uterine]] cervix, has now been linked to a number of sudden deaths reported within days of its administration.<ref name=GardasilMM>Cockcroft, Lucy, "[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/29/njab129.xml Cervical cancer drug Gardasil linked to deaths]," ''[[London]] Daily Telegraph'', October 29, 2007. Retrieved November 10, 2007.</ref>

Bulging or swollen [[fontanelle]]s have been linked with many vaccines commonly given to infants, such as the diphtheria-[[tetanus]] (DPT) vaccine. Many families, out of concern for their child's health, have sought legal justice for the potential health damage.<ref>http://legaljustice4john.com/fontanellebulging.htm</ref>

Only live attenuated vaccines can still cause infection. All vaccines can cause illness, but this is commonly a hypersensitivity reaction (similar to an allergic response), not due to the disease itself. Very rarely a serious disease known as eczema vaccinatum can be caused by the smallpox vaccine. Vaccines that use pieces of pathogens often use a carrier virus in the injection. Those with very weak immune systems that are exposed to such a vaccine can become infected with the carrier virus and develop [[eczema]]. A recent case of this was reported in the United States after a military man was vaccinated with smallpox and his two-year-old son became ill.<ref>http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/183349/soldier_infects_toddler_son_with_lifethreatening.html AP article on eczema vaccinatum</ref>

A number of vaccination reactions are deemed serious enough to contraindicate further vaccinations of the same type. These include extensive swelling and redness at the injection site, prolonged fever, bronchospasm and laryngeal [[edema]] (narrowing of the airways causing difficulty in breathing), and collapse/seizures with or without unconsciousness and/or encephalitis.<ref>[http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/simplepage.cfm?ID=2067071044 General Practice Notebook - vaccine reactions]</ref>

===Published Adverse Reaction Rates===
Most medical journals and the CDC are heavily influenced by vaccine manufacturers, and hence their published information about side effects is one-sided. The packaging labels on vaccines are more candid.

This is what the CDC and medical journals claim:
*The Hepatitis B Vaccine (HBV) has a .000167% chance of causing [[anaphylaxis]] upon vaccination.<ref>[https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046738.htm]</ref>
*There is no correlation between the HBV and multiple sclerosis.<ref>[http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Profs/PUarticles/vaccinenews.htm]</ref>
*The Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR) vaccine has a 25% chance of causing [[arthralgia]] (joint pain) and a 10% chance of causing [[arthritis]]-like symptoms in women who are past puberty. This pain and stiffness begin 1–3 weeks after vaccination, persisting for 1 day to 3 weeks.<ref>[https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/combo-vaccines/mmr/faqs-mmr-hcp.htm]</ref>
*The MMR vaccine has a .00484% chance of causing [[thrombocytopenia]]. However, the measles and rubella both have much higher chances of causing thrombocytopenia.<ref>[http://adc.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/84/3/227 E Miller et al., Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura and MMR vaccine in ''Archives of Disease In Childhood'', 84:227-229]</ref>

=== Common Misconceptions Surrounding Vaccines ===
Many people assume that official vaccine recommendations are based on recommendations of independent panels of experts after reviewing risk-benefit and cost-benefit analyses. They are not. The government panels are dominated by vaccine industry representatives and they have no consumer representatives.{{cn}}

Vaccines have injured many in the developing world, sometimes due to contamination in donated stale vaccines. The vaccine was banned for over a year in Nigeria after concerns about safety were raised. The ban has since been lifted, but the vaccination rate remains low.{{cn}}

==Herd immunity and mandatory vaccination==
When a certain percentage of a population is vaccinated, those within the population who are not vaccinated are protected from the disease, this is called [[herd immunity]]. If 90 percent of a population is immune, then the chances that a carrier of the disease will come into contact with a non-immune member of the population (or "herd") is low.<ref>http://www.mathepi.com/maindir/herd.html The mathematics of herd immunity</ref> Herd immunity is the goal of most vaccination programs as it is the point where disease can start to be eliminated from a population altogether.

For example, in 1962 Japan instituted mandatory vaccination against influenza in school children. This continued until 1987 when the program was changed to optional; it was abandoned in 1994. Approximately 85 percent of children were estimated to have been vaccinated.<ref>{{hnb|Glezen|2004}}</ref> Several studies examined the mortality rates due to influenza during this period of time and revealed that the death rates due to influenza in all population groups were drastically decreased, including older adult populations. Since there was no increased rate of vaccination in these populations, the decreased mortality was caused by herd immunity effects of vaccinating so many children.<ref>http://www.newsrx.com/newsletters/Vaccine-Weekly/2001-04-11/200104113335VW.html Mandatory Vaccination of Japanese Schoolchildren Demonstrates "Herd Immunity"</ref> Many researchers have written that this and other evidence argues strongly for mandatory vaccination programs worldwide as a means of controlling many diseases and preventing a [[pandemic]].<ref>http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1360502 Herd Immunity</ref>

The USA has federal vaccination recommendations according to an official CDC schedule. Requirements are up to the states. Most states have medical and religious exemptions. Some states make it very easy to opt-out of vaccines, while other states strictly enforce compliance for school attendance. The difference in vaccination rates between these states is actually very slight, and usually not nearly enough to affect herd immunity.{{cn}}

As of February 2008, the CDC noted that "fewer than 100 measles cases are now reported annually in the United States and virtually all of those are linked to imported cases" in which someone is infected during overseas travel. The USA maintains herd immunity for measles, even in states where it is easy to opt-out of vaccination requirements.<ref>[https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5708a3.htm]</ref> Measles can be serious; according to an article in The Times, "About one in every 15 children has complications that can include [[meningitis]], [[pneumonia]], [[fits]], [[encephalitis]] (swelling of the brain), [[blindness]] and [[brain damage]]."<ref>The Sunday Times, ''How the MMR scare led to the return of measles'', February 8, 2009 [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683687.ece]</ref> In the England and Wales, there were 1,348 cases of measles in 2008; two children died of the disease.<ref>The Sunday Times, ''MMR doctor Andrew Wakefield fixed data on autism'', by Brian Deer, February 8, 2009 [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5683671.ece]</ref>

The CDC notes that when a measles outbreak occurs, the cost to taxpayers can be substantial. Public health responsibilities include "identification of cases, isolation of patients and vaccination, administration of [[immune globulin]], and voluntary quarantine of contacts who have no evidence of measles immunity...In Iowa, the public health response to one imported measles case cost approximately $150,000."<ref>Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, ''Outbreak of Measles --- San Diego, California, January--February 2008'', February 29, 2008 [https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5708a3.htm]</ref>

Other diseases besides the measles have also started not only to reappear but also to kill children. Hib (''[[Haemophilus influenzae]]'' type B) meningitis recently killed an infant in Minnesota. The child who died had not been vaccinated. Two others who had been either partially, but not fully, vaccinated, or who had an immune deficiency became seriously ill. The vaccine for Hib is less than twenty years old, but this is the first death due to the disease in the state of Minnesota since the vaccine was introduced.<ref>[http://children.webmd.com/vaccines/news/20090123/hib-outbreak-kills-unvaccinated-child Hib Outbreak Kills Unvaccinated Child]</ref>

===Herd Immunity in Britain===
Due to a decrease in vaccination, measles has become endemic in Britain. This means that measles does not need to be brought in by travelers, but instead has a large enough base of non-immune individuals for it to continuously spread inside the country. In London, only 71 percent of children receive the first dose of the vaccine and only 51 percent receive the second dose. Due to this decline, there were 461 measles cases in Britain in the first half of 2008. These cases have had tragic consequences, with the death of a 17-year-old reported in 2008.<ref>[http://www.healthdirect.co.uk/2008/07/measles-endemic-in-britain-official.html Health Direct NHS watch blog]</ref> This immunization failure is due to parents opting out of the MMR vaccine program in the wake of the false claims that the MMR vaccine causes autism.<ref>https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-doubt-the-mmr-vaccine-does-not-cause-autism-zpxk37ntzmh</ref>

==References==
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| Date = 1999-09-28
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| Publisher = United States Government
| URL = http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/t990928b.html
}} retrieved on 2008-01-21
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}} retrieved on 2008-01-21
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== See also ==
*[[HPV vaccine]]
*[[Vaccine Injury Compensation Program]]
*[[Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System]]
*[[Acellular vaccine]]
*[[Vaccine FAQ]]

==External links==
*[http://www.909shot.com/ National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC)], a non-profit anti-vaccination organization
*[http://www.site.stopjenny.com/uploads/Compare_Risks.pdf Compare the Risks], A PDF detailing the risks between vaccination and non-vaccination
*[http://www.site.stopjenny.com/Home.html Stop Jenny McCarthy], A site devoted to fighting vaccine misinformation, contains many vaccine-related resources.

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Donald Trump

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{{Officeholder
|name=Donald John Trump {{verified}}
|image=Donald Trump official presidential photo.jpg
|party=[[Republican]] (1987–1999, 2009–2011, 2012–present) formerly [[Democrat]] (until 1987, 2001–2009), [[Reform Party|Reform]] (1999–2001), and [[Independent voter|Independent]] (2011–2012)
|spouse=Ivana Trump Marla Maples [[Melania Trump]] (current)
|birth_date=June 14, 1946
|children=5
|grandchildren=9
|religion=[[Presbyterian Church (USA)|Presbyterian]]
|offices={{Officeholder/president
|country=the United States
|number=45th
|terms=January 20, 2017 – January 20, 2021
|vp=[[Mike Pence]]
|preceded=[[Barack Obama]]
|former=n
|succeeded=[[Joe Biden]](disputed)
}}
}}
:''For his achievements as U.S. President, see [[Donald Trump achievements]].''
:''Donald Trump was [[Conservative of the Year]] in [[Conservative of the Year 2017|2017]] and [[Conservative of the Year 2018|2018]].''
'''Donald John Trump''' (b. [[Queens]], [[New York]], on [[Donald Trump's age|June 14, 1946]]), nicknamed "'''The Donald'''," is the 45th [[President of the United States of America]], as a result of winning the [[2016 presidential election]] as the [[Republican Party]] nominee. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and [[television]] personality. A strong [[conservative]], Trump has [[Donald Trump achievements|achieved much during his presidency]] and advanced many conservative priorities. He has greatly benefited the US energy sector by reducing the energy dependence of the US in the Middle East, helping gasoline prices go down, and encouraging projects such as the Keystone Pipeline. Despite this, he has received more criticism than any U.S. president in history, almost all of which is purely politically motivated.

In the [[United States presidential election, 2020|2020 presidential election]], Trump received at least a record-smashing 74+ million lawful votes, many in the key [[swing states]]. This confirms him as the leader of the [[Republican Party]], indeed the entire nation, for the foreseeable future. Many conservatives who no longer feel they identify with Trump are retiring. This is the most probable cause that at least 25% of Republican senators up in 2022 plan to retire, and many other transitions are occurring among the GOP nationwide.

Trump and his wife Melania tested positive for the [[Wuhan virus]] in early October 2020.<ref>Multiple references:
*[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/01/president-donald-trump-first-lady-melania-trump-test-positive-for-coronavirus/ President Donald Trump, First Lady Melania Trump Test Positive for Coronavirus]
*[https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/519282-president-trump-melania-trump-test-positive-for-covid-19 President Trump, Melania Trump test positive for COVID-19]
*[https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/10/02/breaking-president-trump-and-first-lady-test-positive-for-wuhancoronavirus-n2577338 BREAKING: President Trump and First Lady Test Positive for Wuhan Coronavirus]
*[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-first-lady-test-positive-covid-19-n1241769 Trump, first lady test positive for Covid-19]</ref> The mainstream media have started mocking him, some believing he deserved his positive COVID-19 test; Pence is also vulnerable, since many of his workers have contracted the [[Wuhan coronavirus]]. [[Leftists]] and the [[MSM]] attempted to downplay Trump's experiences with the virus, claiming that the average American would not have received similar medication. Trump's strong leadership against the coronavirus even after falling ill to it himself shocked many.

==Financial worth & education==
Trump has engaged in many financial pursuits and estimated that his net worth was $10 billion, as of July 2015.<ref>LoGiurato, Brett (July 25, 2015). [https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-net-worth-2015-7 "We finally know a lot more about Donald Trump's 'massive' net worth"]. Business Insider website.</ref> ''Forbes'', however, estimates his net worth is $3.1 billion as of 2019.<ref>[https://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-trump/ "The world's most powerful people: #2 Donald Trump"]. (March 6, 2017). Forbes.com website.</ref> He graduated from the New York Military Academy in 1964 and first attended college at [[Fordham University]] for two years before transferring to the more competitive [[University of Pennsylvania]] and completing his undergraduate studies at its Wharton School of Finance and Commerce. In September 2020, the [[New York Times]] reported on Donald Trump engaging in tax avoidance. It was claimed that his tax avoidance dates back to the 1990s.

Early media profiles of Trump claim he graduated "first in his class" from Wharton.<ref>Whitman, Alden (January 28, 1973). [https://www.nytimes.com/1973/01/28/archives/a-builder-looks-backand-moves-forward-builder-looks-back-but-moves.html "A builder looks back—and moves forward".] ''New York Times''. Retrieved from ''New York Times'' website.</ref> The evidence suggests otherwise and yet Trump has never sought to correct or clarify this potentially significant error.<ref>Geist, William E. (April 8, 1984). [https://www.nytimes.com/1984/04/08/magazine/the-expanding-empire-of-donald-trump.html "The expanding empire of Donald Trump".] ''New York Times Magazine''. Retrieved from ''New York Times'' website.</ref>

==Candidacy==
[[File:2thumb-5-1-300x202.jpg|right|300px|thumb|As Trump rode the escalator to announce his candidacy, polls showed Hillary Clinton's collusion with Russia over the [[Uranium One deal]] was her biggest vulnerability. Deputy Attn. Gen. [[Sally Yates]] was taking steps to ban the Inspector General from oversight of the DOJ-National Security Division and hide [[FISA abuse]].<ref>[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/08/doj-political-surveillance-from-the-irs-in-2011-to-the-fisa-court-in-2016/ DOJ Political Surveillance – From the IRS in 2011 to the FISA Court in 2016], Posted on March 8, 2020 by sundance. theconservativetreehouse.com</ref>]]
On June 16, 2015, he declared his candidacy for the Republican nomination in the [[2016 presidential election]].<ref>Multiple references:
*[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/16/trump-announces-white-house-bid-joins-crowded-gop-field/ "Trump announces White House bid, joins crowded GOP field"] (June 16, 2015). Fox News website/Politics. The front-runner in a record-breaking field of 17 [[Republican]] candidates, Trump announced that he did not anticipate "throwing punches" against his rivals in the first GOP debate.
*Chiacu, Donna and Torbati, Yeganeh (August 2, 2015). [https://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/02/us-usa-election-debate-idUSKCN0Q70NI20150802 "Trump says won't be 'throwing punches' in U.S. Republican debate"]. Reuters/Politics. But at the debate the [[Fox News Channel]]—particularly its [[feminist]] non-journalist [[Megyn Kelly]]—ambushed Trump with out-of-context quotations designed to smear him as somehow being anti-women. This ignited a national controversy that lasted for days, and Trump called upon Kelly to apologize, which she refused to do.</ref> Unlike most other U.S presidential candidates, Trump sharply criticizes the media and talks about issues that no elected official dares touch. For example, Trump stands up against [[feminists]], unlike most politicians. In another example, in 2011 Trump persistently doubted whether [[Barack Obama]] had been born in the [[United States]], which caused Obama's approval ratings to drop below 40% until Obama finally caved in to Trump and produced what Obama claimed was his birth certificate. Trump then scoffed at Obama's conduct.

'''''In February 2011, Trump announced that he is [[pro-life]], and at the final presidential debate on Oct. 19, 2016, Trump gave the strongest endorsement of the pro-life position of any presidential nominee in history'''''.

Trump's central campaign theme has been to oppose [[illegal immigration]] and [[free trade]], and nominated Senator [[Jeff Sessions]] as [[Attorney General]] to enforce standing legislation on the issue. As reported by [[Breitbart News Network|Breitbart]], "Sen. Sessions, Chairman of the Senate’s Immigration Subcommittee, is widely regarded as the gold standard on immigration. Sessions has also become the intellectual thought leader in the Republican Party on appealing to the blue collar voters who have been abandoned by their political leaders." <ref>Hahn, Julia (August 14, 2015). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/14/game-change-trump-consults-with-sen-jeff-sessions-on-immigration-strategy/ "Game change: Trump consults with Sen Jeff Sessions on immigration strategy"]. Breitbart website/Big government.</ref> In the later campaign Trump focused more on [[ISIS]] and terrorism.

At the final presidential debate between [[Hillary Clinton]] and Trump on October 19, 2016, Clinton chastised Trump for running a newspaper advertisement in 1987 critical of the [[Reagan Administration]]. But Trump persuasively explained that he has always disagreed with Reagan's support of free trade, as many other [[conservatives]] disagree with Reagan on this issue.

==Religious beliefs==
:{{Main|Donald Trump's religious views|Donald Trump and evangelicals}}
Donald Trump attended the First [[Presbyterian]] Church in Jamaica, [[Queens]]. He told the [[Christian Broadcasting Network]] that he still considers himself a [[Presbyterian]] and attends services for all major holidays and Sundays, and that "The [[Bible]] is certainly THE book." He receives Bibles from fans in the mail, and he either stores them or gives them away to others.<ref>Haberman, Maggie (April 11, 2011). [https://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52942.html "Donald Trump talks about religion"]. Politico website.</ref>

In July 2015, Trump stated in an interview that "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"<ref>Nothstine, Ray (July 23, 2015). [http://www.christianpost.com/news/trump-why-do-i-have-to-repent-or-ask-for-forgiveness-if-i-am-not-making-mistakes-video-141856/ Trump: 'Why Do I Have to Repent or Ask for Forgiveness If I Am Not Making Mistakes?' (Video)]. ''The Christian Post''. Retrieved March 13, 2017.</ref> He also stated that "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."<ref>Scott, Eugene (July 18, 2015). [https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/ Trump believes in God, but hasn't sought forgiveness]. ''CNN''. Retrieved December 4, 2016.</ref> January 2016, Trump stated that "I have a great relationship with God," but that "I don’t like to have to ask for forgiveness."<ref>Key, Pam (January 17, 2016). [https://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/01/17/trump-i-dont-like-to-have-to-ask-for-forgiveness-from-god/ Trump: ‘I Don’t Like to Have to Ask for Forgiveness’ from God]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved March 13, 2017.</ref> When confronted by [[Cal Thomas]] in an interview in mid 2016 about his not asking God for forgiveness, Trump stated that he would ask God for forgiveness.<ref>Chumley, Cheryl (August 6, 2016). [https://www.wnd.com/2016/06/trump-answers-question-who-do-you-say-jesus-is/ Trump answers question: 'Who do you say Jesus is?] ''WorldNetDaily''. Retrieved March 13, 2017.</ref> In October 2016, [[Ben Carson]] stated that Trump did ask forgiveness from God with [[James Robison]].<ref>Showalter, Brandon (October 10, 2016). [http://www.christianpost.com/news/ben-carson-donald-trump-asked-god-for-forgiveness-prayed-with-james-robison-170650/ Ben Carson: Donald Trump Asked God for Forgiveness, Prayed With James Robison]. ''The Christian Post''. Retrieved March 13, 2017.</ref>

According to exit polling in the 2016 election, Trump won 81 percent of evangelical Christians compared to 16 percent for Clinton, a record high and even more than [[George W. Bush]] won in 2004, showing strong support for Trump from evangelical Christians.<ref name="townhall.com">O'Brien, Cortney (November 12, 2016). [https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/11/12/white-evangelical-voters-showed-up-this-time-n2243931 Evangelical Voters Showed Up Big Time For Trump]. ''Townhall''. Retrieved December 8, 2016.</ref><ref name="wsj.com">Lovett, Ian (November 9, 2016). [https://www.wsj.com/articles/evangelicals-back-donald-trump-in-record-numbers-despite-earlier-doubts-1478689372 Evangelicals Back Donald Trump in Record Numbers, Despite Earlier Doubts]. ''The Wall Street Journal''. Retrieved December 8, 2016.</ref> He was the first sitting American president to address the annual Values Voters Conference in Washington.<ref>https://www.npr.org/2017/10/13/557459193/trump-set-to-address-values-voter-summit-for-first-time-as-president</ref>

==Career==
[[File:Trump business.jpg|right]]
Donald Trump began his career at [[Trump Organization]]. In his college years, he helped revitalize one of his father's failing real estate ventures. Trump began opening hotels and casinos, which provided him with the cash flow to engage in other ventures. He owns the world-famous [[Trump Tower]] and is the founder of the publicly traded Trump Hotel Casinos & Resorts. Trump also owns the Trump brand, which sells a variety of items, such as bottled water, steak, and even mortgages. Trump has authored a number of books and weathered changing business fortunes, but despite the challenges that he has encountered, he has continued to be a successful businessman and entrepreneur.

Trump [[Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2000|ran unsuccessfully]] for the nomination of the [[Reform Party]] in 2000. Trump considered [[presidential election 2012|running for president in 2012]] as a [[Republican]]. He, among others, questioned the citizenship of [[Barack Obama]], citing his failure to produce his birth certificate. After Obama produced his birth certificate, Trump and the other [[birther]]s continue to doubt its authenticity. Obama's approval ratings were around 40% during the peak of the controversy. Trump later exited the race, and gave the customary endorsement to [[Mitt Romney]] as the other [[Republican]] contenders did.

==Major properties==

*Trump World Tower: 845 United Nations Plaza, New York, NY.

*Trump Tower: 725 Fifth Ave, New York, NY 10022 Personal Residence

*Bank of America Center (San Francisco)

*The Trump Building at 40 Wall Street

*Trump Park Avenue

*AXA Financial Center, 1290 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY

*Trump International Hotel & Tower:
**New York
**Chicago
**Washington D.C.
**Las Vegas

*Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida (used by Trump as his "Winter White House".)

*Trump Winery - Charlottesville, Virginia

*14 golf courses (11 in the U.S., 3 in Europe - the course in Bedminster, New Jersey is used by Trump as his "Summer White House")

==Media==
[[File:Donald Trump star.JPG|thumbnail|right|Hollywood Walk of Fame]]
For his contributions to the gaming and entertainment industry, Trump was inducted into the Gaming Hall of Fame in 1995.

In 2003 Trump began as the host and executive producer of the reality [[television]] show ''The Apprentice'' and ''The Celebrity Apprentice'', where contestants compete for a position in Trump's organization. On this show, Trump popularized his catchphrase "You're fired!" Trump received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in 2007 following the success of ''The Apprentice''. However, since he became president, Trump's star as been periodically vandalized by liberal political critics.<ref>Press Association (April 8, 2016). [http://www.onenewspage.com/video/20160408/4211707/Donald-Trump-Hollywood-Walk-of-Fame-Star.htm "Donald Trump's Hollywood Walk of Fame Star vandalised three times a day"].</ref>

Trump is also a noted fan of [[WWE]], and has been a part of some of their shows. Trump was inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame in 2013.

In 2016, following winning the presidential election, Trump was named Person of the Year by [[Time Magazine]].

Trump used to own the Miss Universe and Miss USA pageants. Controversy arose when Miss USA 2006 Tara Conner was caught breaking pageant rules by drinking and other activities. Trump gave her a second chance after personally speaking with her and allowed her to retain her crown as she attended rehabilitation. For several weeks after this, [[Rosie O'Donnell]] berated Trump for his decision on ''The View''. A bitter media war ensued with the two exchanging insults.

Trump has made many guest appearances, usually as himself, on many TV shows and in several movies.

==Political positions==

====Coronavirus Pandemic====
President Trump deferred heavily to [[Hillary Clinton]]-supporter Anthony Fauci, a [[Deep State]] bureaucrat in the [[National Institutes of Health]], in responding to the [[coronavirus]] pandemic in early 2020. Trump rejected the advice of [[White House]] official Peter Navarro to take early action cutting off travel from [[China]], and to make [[hydroxychloroquine]] widely available.

Trump's polls numbers plummeted largely because of his deference to Fauci and unwillingness to take the advice of Navarro. John Fleming, an adviser to Chief of Staff [[Mark Meadows]], also misled Trump by denying the benefits of widespread access to hydroxychloroquine, as other countries have done to defeat [[COVID-19]].

====Social Issues====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Religious liberty and LGBT|Donald Trump achievements: Abortion|Donald Trump achievements: Healthcare, welfare, and other social issues}}
[[File:Donald-Trump-Rosa-Parks.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Donald Trump received the Ellis Island Medal of Honor from the National Ethnic Coalition of Organizations in 1986 for improving the lives of African-American urban youths. From left to right: [[Anita Bryant]], [[Muhammad Ali]], [[Rosa Parks]], and Donald Trump.]]
At the 2011 [[CPAC]] conference, Trump announced he is [[pro-life]].<ref>Rahn, Will (February 10, 2011). [https://dailycaller.com/2011/02/10/trump-at-cpac-points-to-white-house-run/ "Trump at CPAC points to White House run"]. The Daily Caller website.</ref> Trump would not fund Planned Parenthood and the government should not give funds to any organizations that perform abortions<ref>Carroll, Lauren (May 1, 2016) [https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/01/ted-cruz/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-planned-parenthood/ "Do Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton agree on Planned Parenthood funding?"] Politifact website.</ref> However, he supports abortion in cases of rape, incest, or danger to the mother or child.<ref>Ertelt, Steven (February 1, 2016). [https://www.lifenews.com/2016/02/01/mike-huckabee-defends-donald-trumps-abortion-conversion-he-is-pro-life-now/ "Mike Huckabee defends Donald Trump’s abortion conversion: 'He is pro-life now'"] LifeNews.com.</ref>

Trump says that the legalization of [[same-sex "marriage"]] doesn't matter because it's "settled law" now,<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20120831060550/http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_We/#Item3 "Republican platform: We believe in America"] (bef. August 31, 2012). GOP.com website. Archived at Internet Archive on August 31, 2012.</ref> even though five liberal members of the Supreme Court illegally made ''[[Obergefell v. Hodges]]'' into "law" via [[judicial activism]] based on their personal feelings about the issue. Trump believes that homosexual couples have the same adoption rights as straight couples.<ref>Guo, Jeff (August 10, 2016). [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/08/10/how-donald-trump-is-slowly-teaching-republicans-to-embrace-gay-rights/ "Donald Trump is teaching the GOP a different way to embrace gay rights".] ''Washington Post'' website.</ref> Despite what the Left claims, Donald Trump has voiced open support for the LGBTQ community, and was the first Republican president to do so.{{cn}} He has stated that he will do everything he can do to protect the LGBTQ community, from Islamic extremists.

Trump says that a business should be able to deny service to a customer if the request conflicts with the owner's religious beliefs?<ref name="christiantoday.com">Hicap, Jonah (June 2, 2015). [http://www.christiantoday.com/article/donald.trump.vows.to.be.the.greatest.representative.of.christians.if.he.wins.white.house/55023.htm "Donald Trump: 'I will be the greatest representative of Christians if I win the White House'"]. Christian Today website.</ref> Trump would not require health insurance providers to offer free birth control.<ref>Associated Press (February 11, 2012). [https://web.archive.org/web/20151128095810/http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/story/2012-02-11/obama-birth-control-cpac/53046728/1 "GOP conservatives unite against birth control coverage"]. ''USA Today'' website/News/Washington. Retrieved from November 28, 2015 archive at Internet Archive.</ref>

Trump doesn't think that universities should provide “trigger warnings” and “safe spaces” for students.<ref>Hashmi, Siraj (November 10, 2016). [http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/11/10/safe-spaces-handed-election-donald-trump/ "Safe Spaces handed the election to Donald Trump"]. Red Alert Politics website.</ref>

Trump believes that marital rape be classified and punished as severely as non-marital rape.<ref>Diamond, Jeremy (July 28, 2015). [https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/politics/donald-trump-adviser-michael-cohen-rape/ "Trump distances himself from top aide's rape comment"]. CNN website/Politics.</ref>

Trump would not add "Gender Identity" to anti-discrimination laws.<ref>http://www.advocate.com/politics/2016/5/24/donald-trump-claims-accommodating-transgender-people-too-expensive</ref>

Trump wouldn't support a [[separation of church and state]] by removing references to God on money, federal buildings, and national monuments.<ref name="christiantoday.com"/>

Trump says that after a psychological examination to show they fully understand this choice, terminally ill patients be allowed to end their lives via [[assisted suicide]].<ref>http://wingspanonline.net/?p=2398</ref>

Trump supports the [[death penalty]].<ref>https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/01/nyregion/angered-by-attack-trump-urges-return-of-the-death-penalty.html</ref>

Trump thinks that the military should allow women to serve as long as they can pass the same physical tests as men.<ref>https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/donald-trump-women-combat-tricky/2015/12/06/id/704736/</ref> (Compare [[gender norming]].)

Trump says that board members of a business should be the most qualified regardless of gender.<ref>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3269718/Trump-gives-young-feminist-brush-equal-pay-abortion-going-make-good-job-happen-pro-life.html</ref>

Trump does not believe that the government can show a confederate flag on public property.<ref>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-tees-off-on-the-confederate-flag/</ref>

Trump believes that women should be allowed to wear a Niqāb, or face veil, to civic ceremonies.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFVCZhFsNR8</ref>

====Healthcare Issues====
Trump does not support the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) and would open the markets so insurers can compete across state lines and reduce costs.<ref name="donaldjtrump.com">https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform</ref><ref name=Educ>Breitbart.tv (February 9, 2011). [https://www.breitbart.com/video/2011/02/09/pro-life-donald-trump-would-eliminate-dept-of-education-impose-25-tax-on-china-imports-if-president/ "Pro-life Donald Trump would eliminate Dept of Education, impose 25% tax on China imports if president"]. Breitbart.com.</ref> However, he has also said, "I like the mandate."<ref>[https://dailycaller.com/2016/02/19/trump-on-obamacare-i-like-the-mandate-video/ "Trump On Obamacare: ‘I Like The Mandate’"]</ref>

Trump thinks that the government should regulate the prices of life-saving drugs.<ref>https://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/trump-backs-
medicare-negotiating-drug-prices-218215</ref>

Trump supports the legalization of marijuana for medical use.<ref>https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2015/06/18/exclusive-donald-trump-on-what-made-him-run-for-president-on-hannity/</ref>

''Donald Trump has not yet answered if he supports the privatization of veteran's healthcare.''

Trump believes that the federal government increase funding of health care for low income individuals (Medicaid).<ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-15/trump-calls-for-expanded-medicaid-birth-control-without-doctor</ref>

====Controversy with Barack Obama====
[[File:Donald Trump Speaking in Fountain Hills.jpg|thumb|Trump speaking in Fountain Hills, Arizona in March 2016.]]
Trump has also questioned Barack Obama's constitutional eligibility to be president, in light of the ongoing questions surrounding his birth certificate.<ref>[https://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=280533 "Trump: Obama spending millions to hide his past"] (March 28, 2011). WorldNetDaily website.</ref> Trump questioned whether the Obama Administration was successful in negotiating with foreign countries. Trump declared during the 2016 election that he no longer would question Obama's eligibility.

====Economic Issues====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Economic policy and labor|MAGAnomics}}
Trump's economic plan is designed to make the country more competitive by implementing policies that apply to all companies: cutting taxes, including the corporate tax rate, repealing and rolling back stifling regulations, including the biggest of them all, Obamacare and those clobbering the energy sector, renegotiating trade deals such as NAFTA, and killing off the nascent [[Trans-Pacific Partnership]].<ref>Crowley, Monica (December 7, 2016). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/7/donald-trump-and-the-art-of-getting-it-done/ Donald Trump and the art of getting it done]. ''The Washingon Times''. Retrieved December 10, 2016.</ref>

Trump would not require employers be required to pay men and women the same salary for the same job as there are too many other variables such as education, experience, and tenure that determine a fair salary.

''Trump has not answered whether welfare recipients be tested for drugs.''

Trump said he would require businesses be required to provide paid leave for full-time employees during the birth of a child or sick family member.

Trump would raise the federal minimum wage.

Trump believes there should be more restrictions on current welfare benefits.

Trump would instate a 35% tariff on all imports from China even though he used Chinese steel to build all of his Trump Towers.<ref>http://www.newsweek.com/how-donald-trump-ditched-us-steel-workers-china-505717</ref>

Trump would also lower the corporate tax rate.<ref>https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/an-america-first-economic-plan-winning-the-global-competition</ref>

Trump says that the U.S. shouldn't continue to participate in the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).<ref>https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/16/news/economy/donald-trump-nafta-mexico-china-tariff/</ref>

Trump would cut public spending in order to reduce the public debt.<ref>https://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/donald-trump-believe-candidate-stands-10-issues/</ref>

Trump believes that the government is currently over-regulating private businesses and that it shouldn't require businesses to pay salaried employees, making up to $46k/year, time-and-a-half for overtime hours.<ref>https://www.politico.com/tipsheets/morning-shift/2016/08/trump-v-overtime-rule-215883</ref>

Trump thinks that the government should prevent “mega mergers” of corporations that could potentially control a large percentage of market share within its industry.<ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-22/trump-would-block-proposed-at-t-time-warner-merger-if-elected</ref>

Trump said that labor unions, in theory help the economy but have recently become corrupt and should have their powers limited.<ref>http://projects.newsday.com/opinion/newsday-editorial-board-interviews-donald-trump/#nypd</ref>

Trump would increase the tax on profits from the sale of stocks, bonds, and real estate.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4I5QUGRf-Q&feature=youtu.be</ref>

Trump believes economic stimulus will aid the country during times of recession.<ref>https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/us/politics/trump-clinton-infrastructure.html?_r=0</ref>

Trump thinks the Federal Reserve Bank should be audited by Congress.<ref>https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-election-trump-fed-idUSL1N12Y1ZG20151103</ref>

Trump doesn't support the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) as this will incentivize companies to move U.S. jobs overseas.<ref>https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/us/politics/transcript-of-the-republican-presidential-debate-in-new-hampshire.html</ref>

Trump would eliminate the [[estate tax]].<ref>https://thehill.com/policy/finance/290825-clinton-to-criticize-trumps-plan-to-repeal-the-estate-tax</ref>

Trump would end all government subsidies and let the free market run its course.<ref>http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/17cfa1a0-0b9e-11e5-a06e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3e0UlsdmX</ref>

''Trump has not answered if pension payments be increased for retired government workers.''

Trump favors an increased sales tax in order to reduce property taxes even though sales tax would not provide a steady stream of income.<ref>http://www.taxjusticeblog.org/archive/2015/06/donald_trumps_regressive_and_r.php#.VYr8_hNViko</ref>

Trump supports pension plans for federal, state, and local government workers be transitioned into privately managed accounts.<ref name="donaldjtrump.com"/>

Trump said that the U.S. government should not bailout Puerto Rico.<ref>http://mms.tveyes.com/PlaybackPortal.aspx?SavedEditID=c89b639c-07de-4a0f-a634-dda08e3de95a</ref>

Trump believes citizens should not be allowed to save or invest their money in offshore bank accounts as too many wealthy citizens are abusing loopholes in offshore banking laws to evade taxes.<ref>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-puts-his-money-in-companies-that-stash-cash-abroad/</ref>

Trump would not apply an in-state sales tax apply to online purchases of in-state buyers from out-of-state sellers.<ref>http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ce65fe3f0bbd43c19cf17c5c8da8d958/trump-amazons-bezos-uses-washington-post-avoid-taxes</ref>

Trump thinks that the government classify Bitcoin as a legal currency.<ref>https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/trump-presidency-boost-bitcoin-price/</ref>

====Department of Education====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Education}}
At the 2011 [[CPAC]] conference, he stated that he wants to eliminate the Department of Education.<ref name=Educ/>

====Foreign policy====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Foreign policy}}
Donald Trump is a [[nationalism|nationalist]] who promised to "put America first"<ref>[https://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/07/trump-touts-new-infrastructure-plan-cincinnati-states-america-first-message 'It's Time Finally to Put America First': Trump Touts New Infrastructure Plan]</ref> (See: [[Donald Trump and nationalism]]). At the same time, in April 2017, he stated that "I’m a nationalist and a globalist."<ref>Starr, Penny (April 28, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/28/trump-im-a-nationalist-and-a-globalist/ Trump: ‘I’m a Nationalist and a Globalist’]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved January 10, 2018.</ref>

In July 2015 Trump explained he wants to improve relationships with [[Russia]]n president [[Vladimir Putin]].<ref>Johnson, Simon (July 31, 2015). [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11775145/Donald-Trump-Id-get-on-very-well-with-Putin-if-I-were-president.html "Donald Trump: I'd get on 'very well' with Putin if I were president"]. The Telegraph [U.K.] website.</ref> Many left-wingers accused Trump's presidential campaign of "colluding" with [[Russia]]. However the Trump Administration took several tough actions against Russia, including some that even the Obama Administration avoided.<ref>Berger, Judson (December 26, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/26/trump-administration-ends-2017-confronting-russia-after-year-collusion-accusations.html Trump administration ends 2017 confronting Russia after year of collusion accusations]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved December 26, 2017.</ref> In an interview with [[ABC]] he said that Putin won't make a military move into [[Ukraine]]. Furthermore, Trump argued in a tweet that the conflict over [[Crimea]] was the fault of the Obama administration.<ref>[https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/31/politics/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-crimea-putin/ Trump says Putin is 'not going to go into Ukraine,' despite Crimea]</ref> Trump later accused Russia of taking [[Crimea]] by force and asked whether Obama was too soft on Russia.<ref>[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-russia-latest-tweet-accuse-crimea-obama-too-soft-distance-campaign-team-white-house-a7581511.html Donald Trump accuses Russia of taking Crimea by force in attempt to distance himself from campaign allegations]</ref>

Trump said that the [[Iran nuclear deal]] is bad and as president, he kept his promise by withdrawing from it.

After his election as U.S. president, [[Israel]]i prime minister [[Benjamin Netanyahu]] called Trump "a true friend of the State of Israel."<ref>[https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/netanyahu-trump-israel-true-friend-231094?lo=ap_c4 Netanyahu calls Trump 'a true friend' of Israel]. ''Politico''. November 9, 2016. Retrieved November 12, 2016.</ref> On February 2, 2017, Trump stated that building new settlements in the [[West Bank]] "may not be helpful" to achieving peace in the [[Middle East]], and he appeared to shift his formerly strong stance on moving the U.S. embassy to [[Jerusalem]] as he had previously stated.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/03/trump-to-israel-settlements-may-not-help-achieve-peace-in-middle-east.html Trump to Israel: Settlements ‘may not help’ achieve peace in the Middle East]. ''Fox News''. February 3, 2017. Retrieved February 5, 2017.</ref> But on December 6, 2017, Trump announced that the U.S. officially recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and that the U.S. would begin the process of moving the U.S. Embassy from [[Tel Aviv]] to Jerusalem.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://server5.kproxy.com/servlet/redirect.srv/saun/sncfausiyyo/sqrs/p2/the-press-office/2017/12/06/president-donald-j-trumps-proclamation-jerusalem-capital-state-israel|title=President Donald J. Trump's Proclamation on Jerusalem as the Capital of the State of Israel |publisher=White House|accessdate=6 December 2017|date=6 December 2017}}</ref> Trump in 2019 also gave official U.S. recognition to the [[Golan Heights]] as being part of Israel. In recognition for his support of Israel, a plaza in Jerusalem was named for Trump ("Donald Trump Square"), as well as a settlement in the Golan Heights ("Trump Heights")

Trump had criticized [[NATO]] for not fulfilling its financial obligations, going so far as declaring the organization "obsolete", but in April 2017 - after getting promises from NATO partners to make increased financial contributions - Trump retracted the obsolete declaration.<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/news/the-latest-trump-says-nato-no-longer-obsolete/ The Latest: Trump says NATO ‘no longer obsolete’]. ''Breitbart News'' (from the ''Associated Press''). Retrieved April 21, 2017.</ref><ref>Hagen, Lisa (April 21, 2017). [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/328558-trump-nato-is-no-longer-obsolete Trump: NATO is ‘no longer obsolete’]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved April 21, 2017.</ref>

Immediately after taking office, Trump had exchanged vitriolic rhetoric with and made threats to North Korea after the latter carried out numerous medium/long-range missile tests and a nuclear test in September 2017. However, in March 2018, Trump announced he would hold a summit with North Korea Chairman Kim Jong Un, making him the first U.S. president to have bilateral talks with a North Korean leader. The first summit was held in Singapore in June 2018, a second in Hanoi in February 2019, and a third informal summit in the Korean Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) in June 2019 - during which he became the first sitting U.S. president to step foot on North Korean soil. During the period of the summits, North Korea had halted testing of long/medium-range missiles, as well as nuclear testing (and outside of a few short-range missiles in early May 2019, North Korea hasn't tested any weapons since November 2017.)

On Monday, 7 October 2019, Trump ordered American military forces to withdraw from northern Syria in case Turkish forces and their allies would attack them, meaning the predominantly Syrian Kurdish ''SDF'' (''Syrian Democratic Force'') would not have direct U.S. military support. This decision came after a telephone conversation with Turkish ruler [[Recep Tayyip Erdoğan]] on Sunday,<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/turkey-announces-incursion-of-northeast-syria-us-backed-kurds-have-vowed-all-out-war Trump pulls back troops from northern Syria ahead of Turkish assault, Pentagon officials 'blindsided']</ref> and Turkish forces soon began advancing into northern Syria to create a buffer zone.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/world/turkey-syria-invasion-ground-forces-civilians-dead Turkey announces northern Syria invasion of ground forces; multiple civilians reported dead]</ref><ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUeXaPaKF50 Why Turkey is invading Syria]</ref> In the same week it was announced that it is planned by the U.S. administration to send 1,500 troops to the Middle East because of the tensions between [[Saudi-Arabia]] and [[Iran]].<ref>[https://video.foxnews.com/v/6040831354001/ President Trump plans to send 1,500 US troops to the Middle East]</ref> President Erdogan visited the White House on November 13, 2019.<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/13/donald-trump-im-a-big-fan-of-turkish-president-recep-tayyip-erdogan/ Donald Trump: ‘I’m a Big Fan’ of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan]</ref>

====Global warming====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Energy and environmental policy}}
Trump does not believe in the [[Climate Change]] hysteria, once stating the "Nobel committee should take the [[Nobel Prize]] back from [[Al Gore]]."

====Second Amendment rights====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Gun rights}}
Trump is strongly pro-[[Second Amendment]] and against [[leftist]] [[gun control]] and gun free zones. As president, Trump has promised to re-arm military personnel on all American military bases as well as [[ROTC]] recruitment centers, which were disarmed by the [[Clinton Administration]] policy.<ref name=Educ/> Trump was strongly endorsed by the [[National Rifle Association]] in one of its earliest endorsements in an election campaign.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/20/nra-to-endorse-trump.html# Trump wins NRA endorsement, blasts Clinton on gun stance at forum]. ''Fox News''. May 20, 2016. Retrieved October 22, 2016.</ref>

====Homosexual agenda====
For all practical purposes, Trump seems to be on the side of the [[homosexual agenda]]. He supports the creation of new law by the [[U.S. Supreme Court]], as in a new right to [[homosexual marriage]], and declares it the "law of the land" even though Congress passed no such law.

Trump has attended multiple [[same-sex marriage]] ceremonies{{Citation needed}}, but has also said in the past that he opposes same-sex marriage. Trump's views are not yet known on other aspects of the [[homosexual agenda]], such as whether Trump would ban [[conversion therapy]] for minors as [[Chris Christie]] did. The [[Fox News Channel]] debate in August avoided these issues.

====Immigration====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Immigration and border security}}
See the discussion in the introduction above. This is Trump's main campaign issue.

A central part of his immigration plan is to build a giant wall on the border with Mexico. Trump estimates it will cost $8 billion, approximately 35 to 40 feet high and stretch 2000 miles.<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/09/donald-trump-the-wall-is-probably-8-billion Trump Border Wall]</ref> During the campaign, Trump promised that Mexico will pay for the wall, but after taking office, he clarified that payment could be in the form of a tax on Mexican imports or other revenues measures after the Mexican government showed opposition towards Trump's plan.

Trump has also proposed to temporarily ban [[Muslims]] from entering the United States, until "our leaders figure out what the hell is going on," in order to protect Americans from the threats posed by [[Islamic]] [[refugee]]s (and those pretending to be<ref>[http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/isis-fighters-infiltrating-syrian-refugees-uk-is-warned/article/2572051 ISIS fighters infiltrating Syrian refugees, UK is warned]</ref>) entering the country.<ref>[http://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/donald-trump-insists-muslim-ban-is-about-safety-not-religion Donald Trump Insists Muslim Ban Is About Safety, Not Religion]</ref>

Efforts have been made by hostile journalists to paint Trump as advocating a [[Muslim registry]], but what he actually proposed was a [[database for Syrian refugees]].

====Political contributions====
He has been criticized for his substantial contributions to [[Democrat]] lawmakers; the majority of those lawmakers are located in the states he resides in: New York and Florida. The amount he has donated since 2008 is $25,000, which is insignificant considering his wealth.<ref>Allin, Olivia (April 30, 2011). [http://www.ontheredcarpet.com/Donald-Trump-calls-nations-leaders-stupid-people-and-blood-sucking-politicians/8104644 "OTRC: Donald Trump calls nation's leaders 'stupid people' and 'blood-sucking politicians'"]. OnTheRedCarpet [news]. Retrieved from ABC7 [KABC Television, Los Angeles] website.</ref>

Trump is not known to be beholden to any big-money donors.

====Tariffs====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Trade policy}}
[[File:Donald Trump RNC July 2016.jpg|thumb|Trump accepting the GOP nomination in Cleveland on June 21, 2016.]]
At the 2011 [[CPAC]] conference, he stated that he supports a 25% tariff on Chinese goods.<ref name=Educ/> The number floated around in 2016 is a 45% tariff. Trump was speaking in regards to China and the [[World Trade Organization]],<ref>[https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-finance-ministerlou-jiwei-takes-aim-at-donald-trumps-trade-policies-1460892988 Chinese Finance Minister Lou Jiwei Takes Aim at Donald Trump’s Trade Policies, WallStreetJournal, April 17, 2016]</ref>

{{cquote|In a statement from his campaign, Mr. Trump charged that [[China]] was “in total violation of WTO regulations” and that the U.S. “has incompetently allowed them to get away with this” and has failed to impose “equal or greater taxes and tariffs” on China. If he is elected president, Mr. Trump said, China “will learn to deal fairly and justly or we will not deal at all” with Beijing.}}

====Vaccines====
Trump believes that [[vaccines]] cause [[autism]]<ref>Ferris, Sarah (September 16, 2015). [https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/253980-trump-links-vaccines-to-autism-epidemic "Trump links vaccines to autism 'epidemic'"]. The Hill website/Policy/Healthcare.</ref> and has argued against requiring that so many vaccines be given to infants.

==== Eminent domain====
Trump believes that the government has the right to take [[private property]] upon paying just compensation for both infrastructure and to promote economic development.

==== Supreme Court====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: The courts}}
Trump opposed filling the Supreme Court seat held by [[Antonin Scalia]] before the next President takes office. When asked who he might select to the Supreme Court, he said that his sister, a sitting federal court judge, would make a great Supreme Court justice.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://server5.kproxy.com/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/sfothrfaqegbnvj/suvw/p2/corner/423196/trump-praises-his-sister-pro-abortion-extremist-judge-ramesh-ponnuru|title=Trump Praises His Sister, a Pro-Abortion Extremist Judge|date=Aug 27, 2015|accessdate=February 21, 2016}}</ref>

===Hillary Clinton===
Trump had pledged, if elected president, to appoint a special prosecutor to further investigate [[Hillary Clinton]]'s use of a private email server whilst Secretary of State, but Hillary took her crushing defeat so hard that Trump charitably softened his stance after winning.<ref>[https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-investigation.html Donald Trump Drops Threat of New Hillary Clinton Investigation] New York Times - Nov. 22, 2016</ref> A few of Trump supporters, such as [[Ann Coulter]] and [[Breitbart]], expressed disappointment but Trump rose in overall public approval.<ref>[https://www.newsmax.com/Politics/ann-coulter-slams-trump-clinton/2016/11/22/id/760220/ Ann Coulter Slams Trump's Decision on Clinton] Newsmax.com - Nov. 22, 2016</ref><ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/11/23/peter-schweizer-letting-hillary-off-hook-definition-rigged-system/ Peter Schweizer: Letting Hillary off the Hook Is ‘Definition of a Rigged System’] Breitbart.com - Nov. 23, 2016</ref>

==2016 presidential election==
[[File:Donald Trump (29273256122) Phoenix.jpg|thumb|250px|Donald Trump on August 31, 2016.]]
{{See also|2016 U.S. presidential election|Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition}}
===Path to the Nomination===
In the 2015 [[Value Voters Debate|Value Voters]] poll, Trump performed poorly, coming in fifth, indicating many [[Christian]] [[conservatives]] had not yet warmed up to him.<ref>Flores, Reena (September 26, 2015). [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-conservative-poll-donald-trump-could-not-win/ "The conservative poll Donald Trump could not win"]. CBSNews website.</ref> Trump is a big supporter of [[gambling]], which most Christians, other religious groups, and [[conservatives]] oppose. But by 2016 Trump was winning more support from [[evangelical]]s than any other Republican candidate.

Trump won the Republican primary, receiving more votes than any other Republican primary candidate in history.<ref>Hoft, Joe (June 7, 2016). [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/trump-trumps-wins-historic-race-record-fashion/ HISTORY! Trump Shatters Republican Primary Vote Record by 1.4 Million Votes]. ''The Gateway Pundit''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref>

===General election===
Trump faced former liberal Democrat Secretary of State [[Hillary Clinton]] in the general election. Trump's campaign was vastly outspent, outraised, and out-staffed by Clinton's.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/10/more-with-less-trumps-lean-machine-beats-clintons-big-bank-account.html More With Less: Trump's lean machine beats Clinton's big bank account]. ''Fox News''. November 10, 2016. Retrieved November 11, 2016.</ref> The [[mainstream media]] was extremely biased against and unfair towards Trump.<ref>Kurtz, Howard (November 11, 2016). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/11/media-remain-hostile-to-donald-trump-even-as-some-pundits-admit-blew-it.html Media remain hostile to Donald Trump even as some pundits admit they blew it]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved November 11, 2016.</ref><ref>[https://www.billoreilly.com/b/Media-Bias-to-the-Extreme/39285014073786148.html Media Bias to the Extreme]. ''BillOReilly.com''. November 11, 2016. Retrieved November 12, 2016.</ref> According to a study, 91% of the media coverage concerning Trump was negative and 96% of campaign contributions from the media went to Clinton.<ref>Bedard, Paul (March 19, 2017). [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/anti-trump-media-91-coverage-negative-96-of-donations-to-hillary/article/2617828 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/anti-trump-media-91-coverage-negative-96-of-donations-to-hillary/article/2617828]. ''Washington Examiner''. Retrieved April 27, 2017.</ref>

It was widely expected that Clinton would easily win the election, and the elite pollsters and "political insiders" all predicted a massive Clinton victory.<ref>Vogel, Kenneth P. & Isenstadt, Alex (November 9, 2016). [https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/how-did-everyone-get-2016-wrong-presidential-election-231036 How did everyone get it so wrong?]. ''Politico''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref><ref>Catanese, David (October 24, 2016). [https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run-2016/articles/2016-10-24/republicans-last-hope-the-polls-are-wrong Republicans’ Last Hope: The Polls Are Wrong]. ''U.S. News & World Report''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref> At least once, when a poll was released that actually showed Trump leading, Clinton's campaign dismissed it as "bad polling".<ref>Nelson, Louis (November 1, 2016). [https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/clinton-campaign-bad-poll-abc-washington-post-230591 Clinton camp on new survey showing Trump ahead: It’s ‘bad polling’]. ''Politico''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref> Instead, Trump won the election in a massive, historical upset, winning even states such as [[Pennsylvania]], [[Michigan]], and [[Wisconsin]], which a Republican had not won for 20–30 years.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/08/first-polls-close-in-2016-race-trump-projected-to-win-ind-ky-clinton-wins-vt.html Trump wins presidency, defeats Clinton in historic election upset]. ''Fox News''. November 8, 2016. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref><ref>Blake, Aaron (November 9, 2016). [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/08/donald-trumps-path-to-victory-is-suddenly-looking-much-much-wider/ Donald Trump just blew up the electoral map]. ''The Washington Post''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref> The predictions were off the mark dramatically. The actual polls themselves were broadly correct showing Clinton leading over Trump by about 2%.<ref>[https://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2017/07/16/latest-job-approval-poll-president-trump-awful]</ref> However Trump 'flipped' key districts and states smashing Clinton's so-called 'Blue firewall'.<ref>Flint, Joe & Alpert, Lukas I. (November 9, 2016). [https://www.wsj.com/articles/bad-polling-in-hand-media-misses-mark-badly-with-election-predictions-1478710860 How the Media’s Election Predictions Badly Missed the Mark]. ''The Wall Street Journal''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref> Trump's election victory was described by ''[[Politico]]'' as "the most stunning upset in American history."<ref>Goldmacher, Shane & Schreckinger, Ben (November 9, 2016). [https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/election-results-2016-clinton-trump-231070?lo=ap_c1 Trump pulls off biggest upset in U.S. history]. ''Politico''. Retrieved November 9, 2016.</ref>

While the GOP increased its vote share across the entire nation, Trump made the largest gains in the rural [[Midwest]] and [[Rust Belt]].<ref>[https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/how-trump-pushed-the-election-map-to-the-right.html How Trump Reshaped the Election Map]. ''The New York Times''. November 9, 2016. Retrieved November 12, 2016.</ref> Although Clinton won the popular vote 65,515,369 (48.05%) to 62,853,327 (46.09%), according to unofficial results, the large vote totals came from states which have resisted voter identification reforms.<ref>[http://www.inquisitr.com/3719036/3-million-illegal-immigrants-voted-gregg-phillips-votestand-donald-trump-final-popular-vote-count-2016-predictions/ 3 Million Illegal Immigrants Voted, Claims Gregg Phillips Of VoteStand: Donald Trump’s Final Popular Vote Count Alleged To Be Better Than 2016 Predictions], Patrick Frye, ''The Inquisitr'', November 15, 2016</ref> Dr. Robert Epstein of the American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology testified before Congress that [[Google]] bias and meddling had shifted "between 2.6 million and up to 10.4 million votes" to Hillary Clinton.<ref>https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/psychologist-google-generated-at-least-2-6-million-votes-for-hillary.php</ref> Trump won the [[electoral college]] vote, 306 to 232, with the incomplete vote count reported.<ref>{{cite news|url=https://server5.kproxy.com/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/swxn/sjkl/p2/election/results|title=Election Results|accessdate=Nov. 12, 2016}}</ref> Trump won more votes in the general election than any Republican candidate in U.S. history, and he won the largest number of electoral votes since [[George H. W. Bush]].<ref>Hoft, Jim (November 22, 2016). [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/trump-breaks-record-votes-republican-candidate-history/ Trump Breaks Record for Most Votes by Republican Candidate in History]. ''The Gateway Pundit''. Retrieved November 22, 2016.</ref> In addition, Trump won 2,623 counties—the largest number for both a Republican or Democrat since [[Ronald Reagan]] in 1984—while the Democrats won only 489, something even the liberal [[PolitiFact]] admitted to be true.<ref>Jacobson, Louis (December 4, 2016). [https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/dec/04/mike-pence/mike-pence-says-donald-trump-won-most-counties-rep/ Mike Pence says Donald Trump won most counties by a Republican since Ronald Reagan]. ''PolitiFact''. Retrieved December 4, 2016.</ref> Geographically speaking, Trump accordingly won 85 percent of the nation<ref>Wallace, Tim (November 16, 2016). [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/16/us/politics/the-two-americas-of-2016.html?_r=0 The Two Americas of 2016]. ''The New York Times''. Retrieved December 5, 2016.</ref> and 61 percent of the states (including Maine's 2nd district). With the historic flip of Elliott County, Kentucky, every rural, white-majority Southern county voted for the Republican nominee for the first time in history.<ref>Simon, Jeff (December 9, 2016). [https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/09/politics/elliott-county-kentucky-democratic-streak-broken-by-donald-trump/index.html How Trump ended Democrats' 144-year winning streak in one county]. ''CNN''. Retrieved January 15, 2017.</ref>

According to exit polling, Trump won 81 percent of evangelical Christians compared to 16 percent for Clinton, a record high and even more than [[George W. Bush]] won in 2004,<ref name="townhall.com"/><ref name="wsj.com"/> even though some have disputed the accuracy of such exit polling methods.<ref>Showalter, Brandon (November 16, 2016). [http://www.christianpost.com/news/81-percent-evangelicals-vote-trump-eric-teetsel-joe-carter-171542/ Did 81 Percent of Evangelicals Really Vote for Trump? Not So Fast, Some Say]. ''The Christian Post''. Retrieved December 8, 2016.</ref> This is largely due to Trump's conservative policies that align well with the Bible, including opposition to abortion.

While liberal, establishmentarian world leaders made generally nuanced statements in response to Trump's election upset, conservative, right-wing leaders, including the leaders of insurgent parties in European nations, reacted positively to Trump's election.<ref>Ashkenas, Jeremy; Aisch, Gregor (December 5, 2016). [https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/05/world/europe/populism-in-age-of-trump.html?_r=0 European Populism in the Age of Donald Trump]. ''The New York Times''. Retrieved December 5, 2016.</ref>

In addition to Trump's defeat of Clinton, the Republican Party kept control of the House and Senate, outperforming expectations.<ref>Bresnahan, John (November 9, 2016). [https://www.politico.eu/article/republicans-on-cusp-of-keeping-the-senate/ Republicans hold the Senate in a stunner]. ''Politico''. Retrieved November 9, 2016.</ref><ref>Hughes, Siobhan (November 9, 2016). [https://www.wsj.com/articles/republicans-are-confident-about-retaining-control-of-the-house-1478634160 Democrats Gain Seats in House, But GOP Retains Majority]. ''The Wall Street Journal''. Retrieved November 9, 2016.</ref> The Republican Party performed well—much better than expected—in state races, winning trifectas in [[Kentucky]], [[Iowa]], [[Missouri]], and [[New Hampshire]], and Democrats only had six trifectas and total control in five states, a record low.<ref>Greenblatt, Alan (November 9, 2016). [http://www.governing.com/topics/elections/gov-republicans-add-dominance-state-legislatures.html Republicans Add to Their Dominance of State Legislatures]. ''Governing''. Retrieved November 9, 2016.</ref><ref>Siegel, Josh (November 9, 2016). [http://dailysignal.com/2016/11/09/republicans-maintain-strong-control-of-state-capitols-what-that-means/ Republicans Maintain Strong Control of State Capitols. Here’s What That Means.] ''The Daily Signal''. Retrieved November 9, 2016.</ref> The GOP won 25 trifectas, the largest since 1952.<ref>Lieb, David A. (December 29, 2016). [https://www.pressreader.com/usa/chicago-tribune/20161229/281822873464433 GOP-Controlled States Aim to Reshape Laws]. ''Chicago Tribune'' (from the Associated Press). Retrieved December 30, 2016.</ref> The GOP now controlled the highest amount of governorships since 1922,<ref>Lieb, David A. (November 9, 2016). [https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2016-11-09/republicans-expand-control-of-governorships-legislatures Republicans governorships rise to highest mark since 1922]. ''U.S. News & World Report''. Retrieved November 9, 2016.</ref> and it controlled the most state legislative chambers in history.<ref>Bosman, Julie & Davey, Monica (November 11, 2016). [https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/republicans-expand-control-in-a-deeply-divided-nation.html Republicans Expand Control in a Deeply Divided Nation]. ''The New York Times''. Retrieved November 14, 2016.</ref>

Despite expectations that Trump's election victory would cause the markets to plunge, the [[Dow Jones Industrial Average]] actually performed very strongly, closing at the highest level it had ever reached in history after the second day.<ref name="MarketRally">La Monica, Paul R. (November 10, 2016). [https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/10/investing/markets-stocks-donald-trump-rally/index.html The 'yuge' Donald Trump market rally continues]. ''CNN Money''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref> It is rare for the stock market to rise immediately after a U.S. presidential election regardless of the winner.<ref name="MarketRally"/> The stock market had its best week in five years due to optimism of a Trump presidency.<ref>Craig, Victoria (November 11, 2016). [https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/11/11/trump-optimism-propels-dow-to-best-week-in-five-years.html Trump Optimism Propels Dow to Best Week in Five Years]. ''Fox Business''. Retrieved November 12, 2016.</ref>

After the election, childish [[leftists]] and [[anarchists]], who could not accept the results of the election, strongly protested Trump's victory and committed outrageous and extreme acts of vandalism and violence,<ref name="Protests">Chiaramonte, Perry (November 10, 2016). [https://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/trump-protests-intensify-as-doubts-swirl-about-spontaneity.html Trump protests intensify, as doubts swirl about spontaneity]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved November 11, 2016.</ref> even brutally attacking and beating at least one alleged Trump supporter.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/video-emerges-group-beating-chicago-man-while-yelling-dont-vote-trump.html Video emerges of mob beating Chicago man while yelling 'don't vote Trump']. ''Fox News''. November 10, 2016. Retrieved November 11, 2016.</ref> Many of these protests were likely organized and coordinated, as many protestors were bused in by Coach buses.<ref name="Protests"/> This occurred on the heels of Hillary Clinton, the Clinton campaign, and major mainstream media condemning in the harshest terms Trump and his supporters' complaints of a "rigged election," and failure to accept the results would damage democracy. Clinton, President Obama, and the media highlighted the protests and failed to condemn the leftist violence and protests as detrimental to democracy.

==2020 presidential election==
{{See also|2016 U.S. presidential election|Donald Trump achievements|Donald Trump 2020 presidential campaign|United States presidential election, 2020}}
As an incumbent with a strong economy, Donald Trump was favored to win the 2020 U.S. presidential election. However, Democrats, through the use of [[voter fraud]], stole the election from Donald Trump and gave it to Joe Biden illegally. (see [[Biden Putsch]])

=== Donald Trump on Joe Biden's age and his aging ===
''See also:'' [[Biden's age]] and [[Donald Trump's age]]

Nate Silver of ''FiveThirtyEight'' wrote about Bidens's age:
{{Cquote|A lot of rank-and-file voters do have concerns about Biden’s age. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll in February found that 62 percent of voters had reservations about voting for someone aged 75 or older. [https://news.gallup.com/poll/254120/less-half-vote-socialist-president.aspx Other polls] have also shown advanced age to be a concern among Democrats, Republicans and independents alike.<ref>[https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-bidens-opponents-being-too-coy-in-making-age-an-issue/ Voters Care About Biden’s Age — Not About His Gaffes] by Nate Silver,''FiveThirtyEight''</ref>}}

Donald Trump has called Joe Biden "sleepy" and said that "he looks different than he used to, he acts different than he used to, he’s even slower than he used to be".<ref>[https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/joe-biden-age-2020/593350/ Is Joe Biden ‘Too Old’?] EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE, ''The Atlantic''</ref> See also: [[Biden's age]]

The ''[[New York Times]]'' stated:
{{Cquote|Meeting with a group of union officials in the West Wing this year, the president appealed for their support in part by tapping on his head and saying, “Biden is losing it,” according to a participant in the meeting who disclosed the president’s comment on condition of anonymity.<ref>[https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/29/us/politics/joe-biden-age.html Why Joe Biden’s Age Worries Some Democratic Allies and Voters], ''New York Times''</ref>}}

==President of the United States==
[[File:Donald Trump at his desk, December 2018.png|thumb|250px|President Trump sitting at his desk in the [[Oval Office]], December 21, 2018]]
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements}}
===Transition===
{{See also|Trump transition}}
The day after being elected president, Trump released a solidly conservative agenda for his first 100 days in office, even though ending the [[abortion|legalized murder of the unborn]] was not on the agenda.<ref>Kelly, Amita & Sprunt, Barbara (November 9, 2016). [https://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days Here Is What Donald Trump Wants To Do In His First 100 Days]. ''NPR''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref>

On November 30, 2016, before Trump had finalized all his cabinet appointments, it was still described by Politico as "a conservative dream team that has Republicans cheering and liberals in despair" due to the many strong conservatives Trump had appointed, in contrast to moderates like [[George W. Bush]].<ref>Restuccia, Andrew; Cook, Nancy; Woellert, Lorraine (November 30, 2016). [https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-conservative-dream-team-231972 Trump's conservative dream team]. ''Politico''. Retrieved November 30, 2016.</ref><ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/30/politico-donald-trump-cabinet-conservative-dream-team/ Politico: Donald Trump’s Cabinet a ‘Conservative Dream Team’]. ''Breitbart News''. November 30, 2017. Retrieved May 18, 2017.</ref> Accordingly, ''[[Newsweek]]'' called Trump's incomplete cabinet the most conservative cabinet in U.S. history.<ref>Cooper, Matthew (December 9, 2016). [http://www.newsweek.com/trump-cabinet-picks-nominees-conservative-530477 Donald Trump Is Building the Most Conservative Presidential Cabinet In U.S. History]. ''Newsweek''. Retrieved December 10, 2016.</ref> ''[[The Washington Times]]'' noted how Trump was defying Washington establishment norms in his cabinet picks.<ref>Hurt, Charles (December 6, 2016). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/6/donald-trumps-cabinet-picks-define-business-as-not/ Trump defines business as not-usual for D.C.] ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved December 10, 2016.</ref>

''[[The Wall Street Journal]]'' stated that "it’s nearly impossible to identify a clear ideological bent" in Trump's appointments.<ref>Seib, Gerald (December 5, 2016). [https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-shuffles-the-ideological-deck-1480955194 Donald Trump Shuffles the Ideological Deck]. ''The Wall Street Journal''. Retrieved December 5, 2016.</ref> However, this can be easily explained by the fact that Trump has used some of his cabinet nominations to unite the GOP by appealing to most of its factions, even though Trump's appointments are still very conservative.

During the transition period, the Obama Administration engaged in surveillance and information-gathering of Trump, in order to investigate any [[Trump-Russia scandal|alleged ties to Russia]]. This was confirmed by GOP U.S. Representative [[Devin Nunes]] on March 22, 2017,<ref>Derespina, Cody (March 23, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/trump-basks-in-nunes-surveillance-news-so-that-means-im-right.html Trump basks in Nunes surveillance news: 'So that means I'm right']. ''Fox News''. Retrieved March 23, 2017.</ref> and by [[Evelyn Farkas]], the deputy assistant secretary of defense under Obama, on March 29, 2017.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/29/former-obama-official-discloses-rush-to-get-intelligence-on-trump-team.html Former Obama official discloses rush to get intelligence on Trump team]. ''Fox News''. March 29, 2017. Retrieved March 29, 2017.</ref><ref>Poor, Jeff (March 29, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/03/29/fmr-obama-official-reveals-pre-inauguration-effort-to-gather-intel-on-incoming-trump-team/ Fmr Obama Official Reveals Pre-Inauguration Effort to Gather Intel on Incoming Trump Team]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved March 30, 2017.</ref>

===Inauguration===
[[File:Donald Trumpswearing in.jpg|thumb|200px|Trump being sworn in, January 20, 2017.]]
Trump was inaugurated on January 20, 2017, giving one of the strongest inauguration addresses in American history.<ref>Boyle, Matthew (January 20, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/20/america-first-president-donald-trump-brings-the-rain-in-inauguration-address/ ‘America First’: President Donald Trump Brings the Rain in Inauguration Address]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref><ref>McCaskill, Nolan D. (January 20, 2017). [https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/key-points-of-trumps-inaugural-speech-233900 Key moments from Trump's inauguration speech]. ''Politico''. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref><ref>Scott, Patrick; Midgley, Robert (January 20, 2017). [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/20/donald-trump-just-delivered-american-inauguration-speech-ever/ Donald Trump just delivered the most 'American' inauguration speech ever]. ''The Telegraph''. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref> His first bill signed as president was to allow retired general and Defense Secretary nominee [[James Mattis]] to be confirmed.<ref>Kopan, Tal (January 20, 2017). [https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/donald-trump-first-law-actions/ President Donald Trump signs first bill into law]. ''CNN''. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref> That same day, Trump instituted a national day of patriotism,<ref>[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-measures-idUSKBN1542IH Trump takes first actions on Cabinet, declares day of patriotism: spokesman]. ''Reuters''. January 20, 2017. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref> and a few days later Trump officially designated his inauguration day the '''''National Day of Patriotic Devotion'''''.<ref>[https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/01/24/2017-01798/national-day-of-patriotic-devotion National Day of Patriotic Devotion -- Proclamation 9570 of January 20, 2017]. ''Federal Register''. January 24, 2017. Retrieved February 2, 2017.</ref><ref>Shelbourne, Mallory (January 23, 2017). [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/315735-trump-declares-inauguration-day-national-day-of-patriotic-devotion https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/315735-trump-declares-inauguration-day-national-day-of-patriotic-devotion]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved February 2, 2017.</ref>

Despite the fact that leftists knew for two months that Trump would be inaugurated president, hateful, anti-American, and immature leftists engaged in violent protests and did major acts of vandalism and even injuring the police who were sent in.<ref>Vargas, Theresa; Hartz, Taylor; Hermann, Peter (January 20, 2017). [https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/protesters-bring-shouts-skirmishes-and-shutdowns-to-inauguration-celebration/2017/01/20/00ea4c72-df11-11e6-acdf-14da832ae861_story.html?utm_term=.c4443fa64f5a Inauguration protesters vandalize, set fires, try to disrupt Trump’s oath, as police arrest 200]. ''The Washington Post''. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref><ref name="LimoFire">Lawler, David (January 20, 2017). [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/20/anti-donald-trump-activists-try-block-access-inauguration/ Donald Trump protests: Limo 'set on fire' and 217 arrested as police use tear gas on black-clad activists]. ''The Telegraph''. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref> At least 217 protesters were arrested.<ref name="LimoFire"/><ref>Weber, Joseph (January 20, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/20/trump-supporters-protesters-rally-before-sunrise-on-inauguration-day.html Hundreds of protesters arrested in Inauguration Day clashes]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved March 31, 2017.</ref><ref>Noble, Andrea; McDermott, Ryan M. (January 20, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/20/donald-trump-inauguration-protests-begin-turn-viol/ D.C. police report 217 arrested during Inauguration Day riots]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved March 31, 2017.</ref>

Despite having no power to block Trump's cabinet nominees and having no reason to delay the process,<ref>Pergram, Chad (January 20, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/20/senate-battle-erupts-over-dem-delay-confirming-trump-nominees.html Senate battle erupts over Dem 'delay' confirming Trump nominees]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved January 23, 2017.</ref> liberal Senate Democrats delayed confirmation of Trump's nominees, so that only two were confirmed on Trump's first day in office.<ref>Dinan, Stephen (January 22, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/22/trumps-cabinet-picks-delayed-by-democrats-only-two/? Donald Trump’s Cabinet picks delayed by Democrats, only two confirmed]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved January 23, 2017.</ref> This was a large difference from other recent presidents,<ref>Phillips, Amber (January 21, 2017). [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/20/donald-trump-will-start-his-presidency-with-the-smallest-confirmed-cabinet-in-decades/?utm_term=.9d7692169687 Donald Trump is starting his presidency with the smallest confirmed Cabinet in decades]. ''The Washington Post''. Retrieved Janaury 23, 2017.</ref> who, with the exception of [[George H. W. Bush]], had much larger numbers confirmed in the first week.<ref>Bluey, Robert (January 22, 2017). [http://dailysignal.com/2017/01/22/trumps-nominees-face-unprecedented-democrat-obstructionism/ Trump’s Nominees Face ‘Unprecedented’ Democrat Obstructionism]. ''The Daily Signal''. Retrieved January 23, 2017.</ref>

===Tenure===
{{See also|Donald Trump's major achievements}}
Due to his promotion and support of conservative, America First policies, President Trump faced large opposition from the Left, including from within the government bureaucracy.<ref>Singman, Brooke (January 1, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/31/trump-faces-bureaucratic-battle-in-implementing-agenda.html Trump faces bureaucratic battle in implementing agenda]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved February 1, 2017.</ref><ref>Kurtz, Howard (February 3, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/03/empire-strikes-back-why-trumps-private-talks-with-foreign-leaders-were-leaked.html The empire strikes back: Why Trump's private talks with foreign leaders were leaked]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved February 3, 2017.</ref> (The fact that members of the Deep State have grown visibly scared of reports stating such confirms this view;<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/03/22/politico-obama-admin-bureaucrats-panicked-by-breitbart-spotlight-dont-question-our-loyalty/ POLITICO: Obama Admin Bureaucrats ‘Panicked’ by Breitbart Spotlight: Don’t Question Our Loyalty!] ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved March 22, 2017.</ref> in May 2017, it was reported that 60% of [[National Security Council]] employees were Obama-Administration holdovers<ref>Wong, Kristina (May 17, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/17/trump-under-siege-more-than-60-percent-of-nsc-employees-placed-by-obama/ Trump Under Siege: More than 60 Percent of NSC Employees Placed by Obama]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved May 18, 2017.</ref>) Additionally, Senate Democrats continued to unduly delay Trump's cabinet nominees at historic and unprecedented proportions—by February 8, 2017, only [[George Washington]] had fewer cabinet nominees confirmed by this length of time into his presidency.<ref>Singman, Brooke (February 8, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/08/trump-facing-historic-delays-in-confirmation-push.html Trump facing historic delays in confirmation push]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved February 8, 2017.</ref>

On January 23, 2017, Trump signed an order which withdrew the United States from the globalist [[Trans-Pacific Partnership]].<ref>Chakraborty, Barnini (January 23, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/23/trump-signs-executive-order-withdrawing-us-from-tpp-trade-deal.html Trump signs executive order withdrawing US from TPP trade deal]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved January 23, 2017.</ref> That same day, Trump signed an order reinstating the [[Mexico City Policy]], which defunded International Planned Parenthood and other organizations that promote foreign abortions.<ref>LaBarbera, Peter (January 23, 2017). [https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-trump-signs-order-defunding-international-planned-parenthood-forei BREAKING: Trump signs order defunding International Planned Parenthood, foreign abortions]. ''LifeSite News''. Retrieved January 23, 2017.</ref><ref>Hellman, Jessie (January 23, 2017). [https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/abortion/315652-trump-signs-executive-order-reinstating-global-gag-rule-on Trump reinstates ban on US funds promoting abortion overseas]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved January 23, 2017.</ref>

Trump was very busy and productive in his first week and showed he was serious about his campaign promises, undoing Obama's illegitimate legacy and instituting conservative executive orders.<ref>Davenport, David (January 27, 2017). [https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddavenport/2017/01/27/how-trump-managed-to-undo-obamas-legacy-in-one-week/#3ae6bcba5bbf How Trump Managed To Undo Obama's Legacy In One Week]. ''Forbes''. Retrieved January 27, 2017.</ref><ref>Said-Moorhouse, Lauren (January 26, 2017). [https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/executive-orders-presidents-actions-presidential-memoranda/ What's Trump done so far? His productive first week and how it stacks up to previous presidents]. ''CNN''. Retrieved January 27, 2017.</ref><ref>[https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/28/president-trumps-first-week-action President Trump's First Week of Action]. ''whitehouse.gov''. January 28, 2017. Retrieved January 28, 2017.</ref> This caused the [[stock market]] to increase, and the [[Dow Jones]] passed 20,000 points for the first time in history.<ref>Imbert, Fred (January 25, 2017). [https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/25/us-markets.html Dow closes above 20,000 for first time as Trump orders send stocks flying]. ''CNBC''. Retrieved January 25, 2017.</ref><ref>Craig, Victoria (January 25, 2017). [https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/01/25/dow-races-past-20k-in-reinvigorated-trump-rally.html Dow Races Past 20K in Reinvigorated Trump Rally]. ''Fox Business''. Retrieved January 25, 2017.</ref> On March 1, 2017, the day after Trump made his first address to a joint-session of Congress, the stock market rose dramatically again, with the Dow Jones passing the 21,000 mark for the first time in history.<ref>Witkowski, Wallace; Mahmudova, Anora (March 1, 2017). [https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wall-street-stocks-set-to-resume-rally-on-fed-rate-hike-hopes-trump-relief-2017-03-01 Dow closes above 21,000 as stocks soar after Trump speech]. ''MarketWatch''. Retrieved March 1, 2017.</ref><ref>Holcomb, John (March 1, 2017). [https://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2017/03/01/stock-market-booms-past-21000-for-the-first-time-in-history-n2292388 The Trump Bump: Stock Market Hits 21,000 for the First Time in History]. ''Townhall''. Retrieved March 1, 2017.</ref><ref>DeSoto, Randy (March 1, 2017). [http://www.westernjournalism.com/stock-market-hits-new-high-follow-trumps-speech-to-congress/ Stock Market Hits New High Following Trump’s Speech To Congress]. ''Western Journalism''. Retrieved March 1, 2017.</ref>

As evidence of this intense [[mainstream media]] opposition to President Trump, a study published close to the 100th-day mark of Trump's presidency showed that 89% of media coverage regarding Trump was negative.<ref>
* Harper, Jennifer (April 19, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/19/donald-trump-media-coverage-is-89-percent-negative/ As first 100 days in office approaches, media coverage of Trump is 89% negative: Study]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved April 20, 2017.
* Noyes, Rich; Ciandella, Mike (April 19, 2017). [https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2017/04/18/honeymoon-hell-liberal-media-vs-president-trump Honeymoon from Hell: The Liberal Media vs. President Trump]. ''NewsBusters -- Media Research Center''. Retrieved April 21, 2017.</ref> Additionally, Trump was on track to become the most mocked president on late-night comedy TV in at least 25 years.<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/05/04/study-trump-track-mocked-president-late-night-25-years/ Study: Trump On Track to Be Most Mocked President on Late-Night TV in 25 Years]. ''Breitbart News''. May 4, 2017. Retrieved May 4, 2017.</ref>

On April 26, 2017, the Department of Homeland Security, acting under an executive order established by President Trump, established the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement Office (VOICE), created to help support victims of illegal immigrant crime, and it established the DHS-Victim Information and Notification Exchange, which was created to help those victims track the custody status of the illegal criminals.<ref>
* Singman, Brooke (April 26, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/26/dhs-announces-office-for-victims-illegal-immigrant-crime.html DHS announces office for victims of illegal immigrant crime]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved April 26, 2017.
* McHugh, Katie (April 26, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/26/dhs-kelly-voice-victims-illegal-alien-criminals/ DHS Kelly Creates VOICE For Many Victims of Illegal Alien Criminals]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved April 26, 2017.
* McHugh, Katie (April 25, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/25/dhs-unveil-voice-office-victims-illegal-alien-crime/ DHS to Unveil VOICE Office for Victims of Illegal Alien Crime]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved April 26, 2017.</ref> However, leftists took to pranking the phone line created, showing disrespect to the victims of illegal immigration.<ref>Singman, Brooke (April 27, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/27/ice-rips-pranksters-jamming-hotline-to-report-space-aliens.html ICE rips pranksters jamming hotline to report space aliens]. '' Fox News''. Retrieved April 27, 2017.</ref>

Canadian Prime Minister [[Justin Trudeau]] described President Trump as being very authentic – the way he acts in public is like how he does in private.<ref>Yilek, Caitlin (August 31, 2017). [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/canadian-prime-minister-justin-trudeau-trump-is-surprisingly-authentic/article/2633107 Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: Trump is surprisingly 'authentic']. ''Washington Examiner''. Retrieved August 31, 2017.</ref>

====Temporary immigration and refugee suspensions====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Immigration, illegal immigration, and border security}}
Trump received criticism from liberals and [[establishment]] Republicans<ref>McHugh, Katie (January 31, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/31/establishment-republicans-bash-trumps-executive-order-on-immigration-refugee-resettlement/ Establishment Republicans Bash Trump’s Executive Order on Immigration, Refugee Resettlement]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref> when he signed an executive order temporarily banning immigration from certain high-risk Islamic countries as well as refugee entry. Despite this criticism, 49 percent of the American public supported the decision compared to 41 percent opposed, according to the "mainstream" Reuters,<ref>Kahn, Chris (January 31, 2017). [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-poll-exclusive-idUSKBN15F2MG Exclusive: Only a third of Americans think Trump's travel ban will make them more safe]. ''Reuters''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref> and 57% percent of likely American voters supported the ban according to Rasmussen.<ref>[http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/january_2017/most_support_temporary_ban_on_newcomers_from_terrorist_havens Most Support Temporary Ban on Newcomers from Terrorist Havens].'' January 2017. Retrieved February 2, 2017.</ref> Additionally, while the leftist [[establishment]] European leaders opposed the ban, a strong majority—55% average—of Europeans support the ban, according to a poll in 10 [[European Union]] nations.<ref>Shaw, Adam (February 9, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/09/majority-europeans-in-favor-trump-style-muslim-ban-poll-shows.html Majority of Europeans in favor of a Trump-style Muslim ban, poll shows]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved February 9, 2017.</ref><ref>Jamieson, Alastair (February 8, 2017). [https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-border-crisis/majority-leading-eu-nations-support-trump-style-travel-ban-poll-n718271 Majority in Leading EU Nations Support Trump-Style Travel Ban: Poll]. ''NBC News''. Retrieved February 9, 2017.</ref> On March 6, 2017, Trump signed a second executive order concerning the temporary suspension of refugees and others from certain high-risk countries after the first one was blocked by the courts. The second order made some clarifications and minor improvements over the first, such as exempting green card holders from the ban and excluding [[Iraq]] from it as it had developed an acceptable vetting process.<ref>Munro, Neil (March 6, 2016). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/06/trump-new-refugees-executive-pushes-back-judges/ Donald Trump Signs Executive Order Banning Travel from Six Terror-Tied Countries]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved March 6, 2017.</ref><ref>Chakraborty, Barnini (March 6, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/06/trump-signs-new-immigration-order-narrows-scope-travel-ban.html Trump signs new immigration order, narrows scope of travel ban]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved March 6, 2017.</ref>

Trump showed he would not tolerate incompetent leftist administration officials when he fired acting [[United States Department of Justice|Attorney General]] [[Sally Yates]] (a left-wing Obama holdover) when she refused to defend his refugee and immigration ban executive order.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/30/acting-ag-tells-justice-department-staff-not-to-defend-trumps-refugee-order.html Trump fires acting AG after Justice Department staff told not to defend refugee order]. ''Fox News''. January 30, 2017. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref><ref>[https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/30/statement-appointment-dana-boente-acting-attorney-general Statement on the Appointment of Dana Boente as Acting Attorney General]. ''whitehouse.gov''. January 30, 2017. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref> Trump emulated [[Ronald Reagan]]'s firing of the striking PATCO workers in 1981 by doing so,<ref>Boyle, Matthew (January 30, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/30/trumps-patco-moment-emanating-reagan-president-takes-control-federal-government-protect-country-citizens/ Trump’s PATCO Moment: Emanating Reagan, the President Takes Control of Federal Government to ‘Protect the Country and Its Citizens’]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref> contrary to the [[mainstream media]] spin.<ref>Kurtz, Howard (February 1, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/01/trumps-firing-defiant-obama-holdover-why-hes-no-richard-nixon.html Trump's firing of a defiant Obama holdover: Why he's no Richard Nixon]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved February 1, 2017.</ref> That same night, Trump replaced the acting director of [[Immigration and Customs Enforcement]] (another Obama holdover) with a more competent official who had a reputation for enforcing immigration laws.<ref>Chamberlain, Samuel (January 31, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/31/trump-names-thomas-homan-acting-director-ice-replacing-obama-holdover.html Trump names Thomas Homan acting director of ICE, replacing Obama holdover]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref><ref>Berman, Mark; Zapotosky, Matt (January 30, 2017). [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/01/30/trump-appoints-new-immigration-and-customs-enforcement-director-noted-for-his-work-deporting-illegal-immigrants/?utm_term=.addf12ae690a Trump appoints new Immigration and Customs Enforcement director noted for his work deporting illegal immigrants]. ''The Washington Post''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref>

====Reducing regulations and government====
:''For more information, see [[Donald Trump achievements: Deregulation and government size]]''
In the first six weeks of Trump's presidency, over 90 regulations were repealed, whether through executive orders, Acts of Congress, or other means.<ref>Farand, Chloe (March 6, 2017). [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-federal-state-regulations-month-oval-office-white-house-us-president-deregulate-a7614031.html Donald Trump disassembles 90 federal state regulations in just over a month in White House]. ''The Independent''. Retrieved March 7, 2017.</ref><ref>[https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3480299-10-Examples-Industries-Push-Followed-by-Trump.html#document/p60/a341284 Trump-Era Trend: Industries Protest. Regulations Rolled Back. A Dozen Examples]. ''The New York Times'' (through ''DocumentCloud''). Retrieved March 7, 2017.</ref> Trump also signed numerous executive actions promoting a smaller government.

====Supreme Court====
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: The courts|Trump Supreme Court}}
On January 31, 2017, Trump nominated Neil Gorsuch to the [[Supreme Court of the United States|U.S. Supreme Court]].<ref>Klukowski, Ken (January 31, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/31/trump-nominates-judge-neil-gorsuch-supreme-court/ Trump Nominates Judge Neil Gorsuch to Supreme Court]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref><ref>Hurley, Lawrence; Holland, Steve (January 31, 2017). [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-trump-idUSKBN15F1OW Trump picks conservative judge Gorsuch for U.S. Supreme Court]. ''Reuters''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref> The nomination was well received by many conservatives.<ref>Chamberlain, Steve (January 31, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/31/reaction-to-trumps-supreme-court-pick-split-along-partisan-lines.html Conservatives hail Trump's Supreme Court pick]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref><ref>Ertelt, Steven (January 31, 2017). [https://www.lifenews.com/2017/01/31/president-donald-trump-nominates-pro-life-friendly-judge-neil-gorsuch-to-the-supreme-court/ President Donald Trump Nominates Pro-Life-Friendly Judge Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court]. ''LifeNews.com''. Retrieved January 31, 2017.</ref> Others, most notably [[Andrew Schlafly]], disagreed with the nomination due to concerns about Gorsuch's position on abortion.<ref>Dannenfelser, Marjorie (January 31, 2017). [https://townhall.com/columnists/marjoriedannenfelser/2017/01/31/the-truth-about-trumps-prolife-scotus-list-n2279232 The Truth about Trump’s Pro-life SCOTUS List]. ''Townhall''. Retrieved February 1, 2017.</ref><ref>http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Mainpageright&diff=1302133&oldid=1301962</ref>

Upon the swing justice [[Anthony Kennedy|Anthony Kennedy's]] announcement on June 21, 2018, that he would retire from the Court at the end of the succeeding month, Trump nominated the conservative [[Brett Kavanaugh]] to replace him.<ref>Mason, Ian (July 9, 2018). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/07/09/trump-brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court-nominee/ Trump Announces Brett Kavanaugh as Supreme Court Nominee] ''Breitbart News''.</ref>

====Public trust====
According to a poll conducted by [[Emerson College]] on February 5–6, 2017, more Americans trust the Trump Administration than the media.<ref>McHugh, Katie (February 9, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/09/poll-voters-trust-trump-administration-media/ Poll: Voters Trust Trump Administration More Than Media]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved February 9, 2017.</ref>

====Economic progress====
[[File:Real Disposable Personal Income Per Capita.png|right|350px|thumb|Real Personal Income gains under President Trump beginning from the flat base of President Obama's last year in office. ''Source: Federal Reserve Board'']]
{{See also|Donald Trump achievements: Economic policy and labor}}
In May 2017, the unemployment rate fell from 4.4% from 4.3%, the lowest since May 2001, as the number of unemployed persons was little changed at 6.9 million and the labor force participation rate fell to 62.7 percent.<ref>[https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate United States Unemployment Rate]. ''tradingeconomics.com''. Retrieved June 14, 2017.</ref>

According to a Rasmussen survey, consumer confidence is the second-highest it's been in the index's history. The market cap of the U.S. stock market has risen more than $3 trillion since Mr. Trump was elected. Small-business confidence has surged to a 12-year high.

==Books==
*''Trump: The Art of the Deal'' with Tony Schwartz (1987)
*''Trump: Surviving at the Top'' with Charles Leerhsen (1990)
*''Trump: The Art of the Comeback'' with Kate Bohner (1997)
*''The America We Deserve'' with Dave Shiflett (2000)
*''Trump: How to Get Rich'' with Meredith McIver (2004)
*''Trump: Think Like a Billionaire: Everything You Need to Know about Success, Real Estate and Life'' with Meredith McIver (2005)
*''Why We Want You to Be Rich: Two Men, One Message'' with Meredith McIver and Robert T. Kiyosaki (2006)
*''Think Big and Kick Ass in Business and Life'' with Bill Zanker (2007)
*''Trump: Never Give Up: How I Turned My Biggest Challenges into Success'' with Meredith McIver (2008)
*''Think Like a Champion: An Informal Education in Business and Life'' with Meredith McIver (2009)
*''Midas Touch: Why Some Entrepreneurs Get Rich—and Why Most Don't'' with Robert T. Kiyosaki (2011)
*''Time to Get Tough: Making America #1 Again'' (2011)
*''Crippled America: How to Make America Great Again'' (2015)

==Quotes==
===Quotes as U.S. President===
====Inaugural address====
*"....today we are not merely transferring power from one administration to another, or from one party to another, but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C., and giving it back to you, the people."<ref name="InaugTransc">[https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/full-text-donald-trump-inauguration-speech-transcript-233907 Full text: 2017 Donald Trump inauguration speech transcript]. ''Politico''. January 20, 2017. Retrieved January 20, 2017.</ref>
*"We assembled here today our issuing a new decree to be heard in every city, in every foreign capital, and in every hall of power, from this day forward: a new vision will govern our land, from this day forward, it's going to be only America first. America first."<ref name="InaugTransc"/>
*"[We will] unite the civilized world against radical Islamic terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the Earth."<ref name="InaugTransc"/>
*"When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice."<ref name="InaugTransc"/>

====2017====
*"In America we don’t worship government, we worship God."<ref>Miller, S.A. (May 13, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/13/donald-trump-tells-liberty-university-graduates-we/ Trump at Liberty University: ‘We don’t worship government, we worship God’]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved May 13, 2017.</ref><ref>Moons, Michelle (May 13, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/13/president-donald-trumps-1st-commencement-speech-america-dont-worship-government-worship-god/ President Donald Trump’s First Commencement Speech: ‘In America We Don’t Worship Government, We Worship God’]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved May 13, 2017.</ref>
*"I didn’t get elected to serve the Washington media—I got elected to serve the forgotten men and women and that’s exactly what I’m doing."<ref>Spiering, Charlie (May 17, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/17/donald-trump-vows-to-fight-on-no-politician-in-history-has-been-treated-worse-or-more-unfairly/ Donald Trump: ‘I Didn’t Get Elected to Serve the Washington Media’]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved May 17, 2017.</ref><ref>Singman, Brooke (May 17, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/17/trump-takes-on-media-during-coast-guard-commencement-speech.html Trump takes on media during Coast Guard commencement speech]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved May 17, 2017.</ref>
* "The problem in Venezuela is not that socialism has been poorly implemented, but that socialism has been faithfully implemented." (UN speech, September 2017)
* "The most important truth our Founders understood was this: Freedom is not a gift from government; freedom is a gift from God."<ref>[https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/920474831749025795 @realDonaldTrump], 17 Oct 2017</ref><ref>Crookston, Paul (October 17, 2017). [https://freebeacon.com/politics/trump-freedom-not-gift-government-freedom-gift-god/ Trump: ‘Freedom Is Not a Gift From Government; Freedom Is a Gift From God’]. ''The Washington Free Beacon''. Retrieved October 20, 2017.</ref>

===Quotes from the 2016 campaign for President===
[[File:Donald Trump and Mike Pence RNC July 2016.jpg|thumb|Trump and his running-mate, [[Mike Pence]], at the 2016 Republican National Convention.]]
Trump's tactics of naming and shaming candidates has been proven very effective. He called Jeb Bush 'low-energy Jeb' and it stuck. Then came Marco Rubio as 'Little Marco.' Next came 'Lyin' Ted' for Ted Cruz. For the Democrats, he calls Hillary Clinton 'Crooked Hillary'. He doesn't give Bernie Sanders the same treatment though he has referred to him as a Communist.

*“We will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of [[globalism]].”
*"I think we have a president who, as a president, is totally incompetent, and he doesn’t know what he’s doing. I think he has no idea what he’s doing. And our country is going to [[hell]]."<ref>http://time.com/4210983/republican-debate-barack-obama-incompetent/</ref>
*"I will be the greatest jobs president that [[God]] ever created."
*"I’m using my own money. I’m not using the lobbyists. I’m not using donors. I don’t care. I’m really rich."
*"Free trade is terrible. Free trade can be wonderful if you have smart people. But we have stupid people."
*"Nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump. Nobody. Within our military, I will find the General Patton, or I will find General MacArthur, I will find the right guy."
*"I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will have [[Mexico]] pay for that wall."
*"I think the big problem this country has is being politically correct."<ref>https://video.foxnews.com/v/4406746003001/watch-a-replay-of-fox-news-prime-time-presidential-debate/?#sp=show-clips</ref><ref>https://www.google.com/search?q=a+big+problem+with+our+country+is+too+politically+incorrect&oq=a+big+problem+with+our+country+is+too+politically+incorrect&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i64l3.8295j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=119&ie=UTF-8</ref>
*"Becoming the nominee of the party of [[Abraham Lincoln]] has been the greatest honor of my life.<ref>https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/294401-trump-claims-party-of-lincoln-mantle-in-speech-at-black</ref>

====General election debate quotes====
*"Because you would be in jail." (Trump in response to Clinton saying that it would be a good thing that he "is not in charge of the law in our country")<ref name="2ndTranscript">[https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/2016-presidential-debate-transcript-229519 Full transcript: Second 2016 presidential debate]. ''Politico''. October 10, 2016. Retrieved October 11, 2016.</ref>
*"Now she’s blaming the lie on the late great Abraham Lincoln. ...Honest Abe never lied. That’s the good thing. That's the big difference between Abraham Lincoln and you." (Trump in response to Clinton's excuse for having "'a public and private position on certain issues.'")<ref name="2ndTranscript"/>
*"Hillary has experience, but it’s bad experience."<ref>Goodenough, Patrick (September 27, 2016). [https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/ Trump: 'Hillary Has Experience, But It's Bad Experience']. ''cnsnews.com''. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref>

===Quotes from Twitter===
[[File:Screenshot 2015-09-28-12-11-31-1.png|right|300px|Thumb|Tweet from Billionaire Carl Icahn]]
{{Cquote| '''Somebody said I’m the Ernest Hemingway of 140 characters.'''}}
Trump's tweets are archived and fully searchable online.<ref>http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/archive</ref> Here are some choice examples:
* "An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud."<ref>Trump, Donald J. (August 6, 2012, 1:23 pm). [https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/232572505238433794 "An 'extremely credible source' has called my office and told me that @BarackObama's birth certificate is a fraud."] Tweet by @realDonaldTrump.</ref>
* "It’s amazing how people can talk about me but I’m not allowed to talk about them."<ref>Trump, Donald J. (November 13, 2012, 12:23pm). [https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/268449146711703553 "It’s amazing how people can talk about me but I’m not allowed to talk about them."] Tweet by @realDonaldTrump.</ref>
* "This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bull**** has got to stop. Our planet is freezing, record low temps,and our GW scientists are stuck in ice."<ref>Trump, Donald J. (January 1, 2014, 4:39pm). [https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/418542137899491328 "This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bull**** has got to stop. Our planet is freezing, record low temps,and our GW scientists are stuck in ice."] Tweet by @realDonaldTrump.</ref>

====2015====
* "So many 'politically correct' fools in our country. We have to all get back to work and stop wasting time and energy on nonsense!" (August 8, 2015)
* "Notice that illegal immigrants will be given ObamaCare and free college tuition but nothing has been mentioned about our VETERANS #DemDebate" (October 13, 2015)
* "They laughed at me when I said to bomb the ISIS controlled oil fields. Now they are not laughing and doing what I said." (November 13, 2015)
* "President Obama said 'ISIL continues to shrink' in an interview just hours before the horrible attack in Paris. He is just so bad! CHANGE." (November 14, 2015)
* "Refugees from Syria are now pouring into our great country. Who knows who they are - some could be ISIS. Is our president insane?" (November 17, 2015)
* "Eight Syrians were just caught on the southern border trying to get into the U.S. ISIS maybe? I told you so. WE NEED A BIG & BEAUTIFUL WALL!" (November 19, 2015)

====2016====
* "Hillary said that guns don't keep you safe. If she really believes that she should demand that her heavily armed bodyguards quickly disarm!" (January 3, 2016)
* "I wonder if President Obama would have attended the funeral of Justice Scalia if it were held in a Mosque? Very sad that he did not go!" (February 20, 2016)
* "The organized group of people, many of them thugs, who shut down our First Amendment rights in Chicago, have totally energized America!" (March 12, 2016)
* "Why is it that the horrendous protesters, who scream, curse punch, shut down roads/doors during my RALLIES, are never blamed by media? SAD!" (March 20, 2016)
* "Do you all remember how beautiful and safe a place Brussels was. Not anymore, it is from a different world! U.S. must be vigilant and smart!" (March 22, 2016)
* "For the 1st time in American history, America’s 16,500 border patrol agents have issue[d] a presidential primary endorsement—me! Thank you." (April 1, 2016)
*"We are going to say Merry [[Christmas]] again." (December 2016 in [[Michigan]]).<ref>[Trump: 'We are going to say merry Christmas again'], ''The Hill'', December 13, 2016</ref>

====2017====
*"The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!"<ref>Greenwood, Mark (February 17, 2017). [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/320168-trump-the-media-is-the-enemy-of-the-american-people Trump tweets: The media is the 'enemy of the American people']. ''The Hill''. Retrieved February 27, 2017.</ref>

* "Mike Flynn should ask for immunity in that this is a witch hunt (excuse for big election loss), by media & Dems, of historic proportion!" (March 31, 2017)
* "Despite the constant negative press covfefe" (May 31 2017)
* "That's right, we need a TRAVEL BAN for certain DANGEROUS countries, not some politically correct term that won't help us protect our people!" (June 5, 2017, while the Dept. of Justice was arguing in court that his Executive Order was not a "travel ban")
* "Fake News is at an all time high. Where is their apology to me for all of the incorrect stories???" (June 13, 2017)

===Other quotes===
* "[T]he country is going to hell."<ref>Cassidy, Chris (March 19, 2015). [http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/us_politics/2015/03/country_is_going_to_hell_claims_donald_trump "'Country is going to hell,' claims Donald Trump"]. BostonHerald.com website.</ref>
* "We have no leader in this country.”<ref>Reisner, Hiram (April 22, 2011). [https://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/donaldtrump-karlrove-gop-birther/2011/04/22/id/393742 "Trump: I'd just take Libyan oil"]. NewsMax website.</ref>
* "Our leaders are stupid, they are stupid people."<ref>Pierce, Tony (April 29, 2011). [http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/04/donald-trump-in-vegas-our-leaders-are-stupid-they-are-stupid-people.html "Donald Trump in Vegas: 'Our leaders are stupid; they are stupid people'"]. Los Angeles Times website/Top of the Ticket blog.</ref>
* "I can tell you I am [the 2012 Obama campaign's] worst nightmare."<ref>Mooney, Alexander (April 11, 2011). [http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/11/trump-says-he-is-obama-campaigns-worst-nightmare/comment-page-6/ "Trump says he is Obama campaign's worst nightmare"]. Cable News Network website/politicalticker blog.</ref>
* "Obama has no solutions."<ref>Coz, Steve (August 19, 2012). [https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/trump-gibbs-fox-obama/2012/08/19/id/449050/ "Trump fires back at Obama campaign smear"]. Newsmax website/Newsfront.</ref>
*"Everything in life is luck."<ref name="Telegraph">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/12107003/Donald-Trump-faces-questions-over-Two-Corinthians.html</ref>
*"[Barack Obama] is probably the least transparent president in the history of the country."<ref name="Telegraph"/>
*"Not teaching your kids about money is like not caring whether they eat."<ref name="Telegraph"/>

== Liberal denialism and Donald Trump ==

:''See also:'' [[Liberal denialism and Donald Trump]] and [[Liberal denial]]

Post the 2016 U.S. presidential election many liberals were in denial that Donald Trump was going to be president of the United States. Before the election, many liberal media outlets took the line that Donald Trump could not win the [[Republican]] primary and could not win the presidential election.<ref>
*[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/09/the-wrongest-media-predictions-about-donald-trump/?utm_term=.febb2623a89f The wrongest media predictions about Donald Trump The wrongest media predictions about Donald Trump], ''Washington Post'', 2016</ref>

=== Political scientists, denialism and Donald Trump ===

{{See also|Atheism and science}}

Few, if any, [[Political science|political scientists]] predicted early on that Donald Trump would win the Republican primary and then would subsequently be elected president of the United States. Furthermore, most pollsters indicated that Trump would lose the election.

27 percent of American political scientists believe in the existence of God while 76 percent of American doctors said they believe in God.<ref>
*[http://www.livescience.com/379-scientists-belief-god-varies-starkly-discipline.html Scientists belief in God varies starkly by discipline], Livescience.com
*[https://www.nbcnews.com/id/8318894/ns/health-health_care/t/survey-most-doctors-believe-god-afterlife/ Most doctors believe in God], NBC News</ref> Most American [[atheism|atheists]] lean to the left politically (see: [[Atheism and politics]]). Compared to [[medical science]], which has many effective medicines and surgical procedures, the social science of political science is often unreliable.

===Trump and the mainstream media===
{{See also|Mainstream media and Donald Trump}}
The leftist [[mainstream media]] despises Trump and, under the influence of [[Trump Derangement Syndrome]], refuses to report objectively when covering him.

=== Angry secular leftists and Donald Trump ===

:''See also:'' [[Donald Trump and American atheists]] and [[Secular leftists and psychogenic illness]]

American [[secular left]]ists were extremely angry and upset in the aftermath of Donald Trump's election victory (see: [[Donald Trump and American atheists]]).

In certain cases, it became debilitating (see:: [[Secular leftists and psychogenic illness]]). The website Marketwatch reported concerning the aftermath of the 2016 presidential race: ''Trump’s win is causing a surge in demand for mental health services''<ref>[https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-win-is-causing-a-surge-in-demand-for-mental-health-services-2016-11-10 Trump’s win is causing a surge in demand for mental health services], Marketwatch 2016</ref>

The ''Religion News Service'' reported:
{{Cquote|For the last decade, [[Atheism|atheists]], [[secular humanism|humanists]] and others [[secular]]ists have worked hard to organize a “secular vote” that would counter the political clout of the [[religious right]].

President-elect Donald J. Trump’s victory dealt that movement a body blow when he garnered 81 percent of the white [[Evangelical Christians|evangelical]] vote and 60 percent of the white [[Roman Catholic|Catholic]] vote. [[Mormonism|Mormons]], too, voted overwhelmingly for Trump...

[Trump's] platform was seen as anti-secular in many atheist and humanist circles. He said he would appoint religiously conservative Supreme Court justices, ban [[Islam|Muslim]] immigrants, favor [[Christianity]] and repeal the [[Johnson Amendment]], which prohibits certain tax-exempt organizations from endorsing political candidates — issues antithetical to organized atheism and [[humanism]].<ref>[http://religionnews.com/2016/11/09/dealt-a-body-blow-atheists-and-humanists-regroup/ Dealt a body blow, atheists and humanists regroup] by Kimberly Winston, ''Religion News Service'', November 9, 2016</ref>}}

== Trump's Social Media Ban ==
On January 8, 2021, [[Twitter]] and [[Facebook]], in violation of the First Amendment and at risk of being put out of business by the [[Sherman Antitrust Act]] and [[U.S. Color Revolution#Executive Order 13848|Executive Order 13848]] due to their [[antitrust]] violations and censorious actions, illegally censored and silenced President Trump on their platforms by permanently suspending his accounts with them.<ref>[https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-twitter-bans-president-donald-trump-permanently/ BREAKING: Twitter Bans President Donald Trump — PERMANENTLY] at the Gateway Pundit</ref> This was part of co-ordinated collusion between Twitter, Facebook, [[Instagram]], [[Google]] (and its [[YouTube]] subsidiary) and other liberal Big Tech companies to target Trump and his supporters for illegal censorship and silencing of viewpoints and opinions the Left does not like,<ref>[https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/__trashed-15/ Big Tech Launches Massive Coordinated Cyber Attack on 74,000,000 Trump Voters — GOP SILENT] at the Gateway Pundit</ref> while simultaneously allowing violent leftist individuals and groups like Antifa and Black Lives Matter to have free run of their sites and say and do as they please. Although not officially confirmed as yet, Fox News host [[Sean Hannity]] later reported that Trump has since moved over to conservative social media website [[Parler]], prompting a wave of new accounts to subsequently open up there.<ref>[https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/report-sean-hannity-says-president-trump-joined-parler/ UPDATE – NOT CONFIRMED: Sean Hannity Says President Trump Has Joined Parler] at the Gateway Pundit</ref>

== Trump’s Website: 45 Office ==
{{main|45 Office}}
On March 29, 2021, Trump launched 45 Office.

==See also==
* [[Donald Trump's religious views]]
* [[Trump Administration]]
* [[Essay:Donald Trump One Two Body Blow]]
* [[The Chalkening]]
* [[Trump University]]
*[[Liberal Smear Machine]]
* [[Kathryn Steinle]]
* [[Mollie Tibbetts]]
* [[Sarah Root]]
* [[Alveda King]]
* [[Trump effect]]
* [[Deep State coup 2.0]]
* [[Biden Junta]]

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

==External links==
* [http://www.trump.com Trump.com - Official website]
* [https://www.donaldjtrump.com donaldjtrump.com - Official website]
* [http://www.LyingCrookedHillary.com LyingCrookedHillary.com]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8c2Cq-vpg The Untruth About Donald Trump] by [[Stefan Molyneux]], Published on Jan 18, 2016
* [http://www.untruthaboutdonaldtrump.com UntruthAboutDonaldTrump.com]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yyoauXmzjg Do Emotions Trump Facts?] [[Thomas Sowell]] on Donald Trump - Rebutted! by Stefan Molyneux
* [http://gop12.thehill.com/2011/04/trump-explains-conversion-on-abortion.html Trump explains his pro-life conversion]
* 100 groups have signed [http://www.pseagles.com/Coalition_letter_Supreme_Court this coalition letter] re: Trump's [[Trump Supreme Court|nomination to the Supreme Court]].



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Jaime Harrison

2021-08-09T22:03:34Z

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'''Jaime R. Harrison''' (born February 5, 1976 (age {{age|1976|2|5}})) was a [[Podesta Group]] lobbyist<ref>[https://freebeacon.com/politics/jaime-harrisons-years-as-a-lobbyist-paid-off/ Jaime Harrison’s Years as a Lobbyist Paid Off]</ref><ref>[https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/jaime-harrison-headlined-foreign-lobbying-school/ Jaime Harrison Headlined Foreign ‘Lobbying School’]</ref> and [[DSCC]]-backed<ref>[https://www.dscc.org/news/dscc-congratulates-jaime-harrison-in-south-carolina/ DSCC Congratulates Jaime Harrison in South Carolina]</ref> Democrat who ran for [[United States Senate]] from [[South Carolina]] in 2020 against [[Lindsey Graham]]. He was previously the chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party from 2013 to 2017.

According to Harrison, nominating [[Amy Coney Barrett]] to the [[United States Supreme Court]] may potentially bring back racial segregation.<ref>Two references:
*[https://townhall.com/tipsheet/reaganmccarthy/2020/10/09/sc-senate-dem-on-acb-n2577774 Sen. Graham's Unhinged Challenger Hints That Judge Barrett Could Bring Back Racial Segregation]
*[https://dailycaller.com/2020/10/09/segregation-jaime-harrison-amy-coney-barrett-supreme-court-south-carolina-senate/ South Carolina Senate Candidate Suggests Amy Coney Barrett Might Allow Racial Segregation To Return]</ref>

==2020 Senate bid==
:''See: [[2020 United States Senate election in South Carolina]]
Harrison announced in late May 2019 his run for [[U.S. Senate]] in 2020 to challenge [[RINO]] incumbent [[Lindsey Graham]].<ref>[https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/politics/jaime-harrison-lindsey-graham-senate-south-carolina/index.html Democrat Jaime Harrison announces Senate run against Lindsey Graham]</ref> While South Carolina is considered a very Republican state, Graham was considered to be vulnerable due to unpopularity among Republicans, as evident in his relatively low support in his own primary, winning with only two-thirds of the vote.<ref>[https://www.independentmail.com/elections/results/local/2020-06-09/00000/ South Carolina U.S. & State Election Results]</ref> A lobbyist, Harrison was backed by a "[[progressive]]" anti-lobbying group as well as a [[super PAC]] claiming that Sen. Graham shills for special interests.<ref>[https://freebeacon.com/politics/anti-lobbying-progressive-group-endorses-former-corporate-lobbyist-senate-candidate/ Anti-Lobbying Progressive Group Endorses Former Corporate Lobbyist Senate Candidate]</ref><ref>[https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/schumer-pac-backs-former-lobbyist-by-claiming-lindsey-graham-is-beholden-to-special-interests/ Schumer PAC Backs Former Lobbyist by Claiming Lindsey Graham Is Beholden to Special Interests]</ref>

===Controversies===
Harrison has pushed for examining the social media activity of police officers, yet hasn't applied the standard to his own staffers/aides; the latter have made anti-Semitic and homophobic comments.<ref>[https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/graham-challenger-faulted-police-for-failing-to-vet-officers-social-media/ S.C. Dem Pushed Police to Vet Officers’ Social Media — But Doesn’t Vet His Own Staff]</ref> Despite such, [[homosexual rights]] groups have ignored the remarks.<ref>[https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/gay-rights-group-gives-dem-staffers-pass-on-homophobic-slurs/ Gay Rights Group Gives Dem Staffers Pass on Homophobic Slurs]</ref>

===General election results===
Harrison lost to Sen. Graham in the deep red state by ten percentage points in the general election.<ref>[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/south-carolina-senate-results South Carolina Senate Election Results 2020]</ref>

==References==
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==External links==
*[https://jaimeharrison.com/ Official Website]
*[https://ballotpedia.org/Jaime_R._Harrison Jaime R. Harrison - Ballotpedia]
*[https://twitter.com/harrisonjaime Twitter Page]
*[https://www.facebook.com/JaimeHarrisonSC/ Facebook Page]

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Derek Chauvin

2021-08-09T22:03:14Z

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'''Derek Michael Chauvin''' (born March 19, 1976) is an American former police officer weighing about 140 pounds who participated in the restraint of the much larger, 230-pound former football player [[George Floyd]] in [[Minneapolis]], [[Minnesota]], on May 25, 2020. Floyd had taken a large amount of drugs which were detected during his subsequent [[autopsy]]. During an arrest made by Chauvin and three other officers, he purportedly knelt on Floyd's neck although footage shown at the trial indicated that his knee was actually on Floyd's shoulderblade,<ref>https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/04/05/derek-chauvin-defense-shows-video-clip-to-suggest-officer-knelt-on-george-floyds-shoulder-not-his-neck/</ref> for several minutes while Floyd was handcuffed. At trial a medical "expert" for the prosecution presented a controversial theory of positional asphyxiation, claiming that was the cause of death despite the autopsy ruling that the cause of death was unknown.

He was fired from his job after the death of George Floyd while in custody. On May 29, 2020, he was charged with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.<ref name="27-CDR-20-12646">{{cite web|date=May 29, 2020|title=Complaint – ''State of Minnesota v. Derek Michael Chauvin''|url=https://www.hennepinattorney.org/-/media/Attorney/Derek-Chauvin-Criminal-Complaint.pdf|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200530173331/https://www.hennepinattorney.org/-/media/Attorney/Derek-Chauvin-Criminal-Complaint.pdf|archive-date=May 30, 2020|website=Minnesota District Court, Fourth Judicial District|quote=File No. 27-CR-20-12646}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|last1=Torres|first1=Ella|last2=Mansell|first2=William|last3=Pereira|first3=Ivan|date=May 29, 2020|title=Minnesota protest live updates: Derek Chauvin charged with murder in connection with George Floyd's death|url=https://abcnews.go.com/US/dangerous-protests-erupt-overnight-george-floyds-death-minneapolis/story?id=70924047|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200529023807/https://abcnews.go.com/US/dangerous-protests-erupt-overnight-george-floyds-death-minneapolis/story?id=70924047|archive-date=May 29, 2020|access-date=May 29, 2020|work=[[ABC News]]}}</ref> On June 3, 2020, prosecutors additionally moved to charge him with unintentional second-degree murder.<ref>{{cite news|title=Experts say upgraded charge against officer in George Floyd's death fits|url=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/experts-say-upgraded-charge-against-officer-george-floyd-s-death-n1218856|first=Dennis|last=Romero|date=June 4, 2020|access-date=March 31, 2021|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200606165120/https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/experts-say-upgraded-charge-against-officer-george-floyd-s-death-n1218856|archive-date=June 6, 2020|url-status=live}}</ref> On October 22, 2020, the charge of third-degree murder was dismissed, but it was reinstated on March 11, 2021. On April 20, 2021, Chauvin was found guilty by a [[jury]] that included [[Black Lives Matter]] activists.<ref>https://thepostmillennial.com/chauvin-trial-juror-spark-some-change/</ref><ref>{{Cite news|last=Arango|first=Tim|last2=Dewan|first2=Shaila|last3=Eligon|first3=John|last4=Bogel-Burroughs|first4=Nicholas|date=2021-04-20|title=Derek Chauvin is found guilty of murdering George Floyd.|language=en-US|work=The New York Times|url=https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/20/us/chauvin-guilty-murder-george-floyd.html|access-date=2021-04-20|issn=0362-4331}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |last1=Jacobo |first1=Julia |last2=Hutchinson |first2=Bill |last3=Zarrell |first3=Matt |title=Derek Chauvin found guilty on all counts in death of George Floyd: Live updates |url=https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/chauvin-floyd-trial/?id=77149412#77197017 |publisher=ABC News |access-date=20 April 2021}}</ref> A juror was found to have lied on his juror questionaire about participating in anti-police protests or [[BLM riots]] the previous summer. When the false statements by the juror were discovered, Chauvin's attorney filed a motion for a new trial, citing doing so in the interest of justice and because of an abuse of discretion that deprived Chauvin of a fair trial, among other issues.<ref>[https://www.ntd.com/derek-chauvins-attorney-files-motion-for-new-trial_607939.html Derek Chauvin’s Attorney Files Motion for New Trial]</ref>
== Sentencing ==
In June 2021, Derek Chauvin was sentenced to 22 years in prison by Judge [[Peter Cahill]].
==See also==
*[[Chauvin trial bias]]
*[[DFL riots]]
*[[Michael L. Byrd]]

==References==
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Electoral College

2021-08-09T22:03:12Z

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[[Image:Map of USA fifty percent population by counties.png|thumb|275px|right|Half of the population lives in these counties, giving undue electoral influence to city centers]]
The '''Electoral College''' is the method by which the [[United States]] elects a [[President of the United States of America|president]] every four years. The [[Founding Fathers|Founders]] wanted electors to gather in each state rather than in a common place, thereby minimizing intrigue and corruption. Each state then votes on the presidential candidate.

State legislatures have the ultimate authority and responsibility for selecting the electors, as set forth in the [[United States Constitution|U.S. Constitution]], Article II, Section 1. The House of Representatives, voting on a state-by-state basis, has the ultimate authority under the [[Twelfth Amendment]] whether to accept the Electoral votes or elect the next president itself.

The top six states having the most electors are California, Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois and Pennsylvania (the latter two are tied at 20 electors); meanwhile, seven states have only 3 electors, the smallest number possible: Alaska, Delaware, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming.<ref>New Jersey has 14 electors. The District of Columbia also sends 3 electors.</ref>

The '''Electoral College''' is an essential institution that promotes:

*Domestic tranquility; a national crisis would ensue if a close election required a recount, because in the absence of the Electoral College the recount would be done everywhere<ref>[http://articlevblog.com/2019/03/another-reason-to-keep-the-electoral-college/ Another Reason to Keep the Electoral College]</ref>
*Voter fraud limitations; if either a big city or a state is used as a tool to change the outcome of elections, any damage is limited to a single state and the impact is reduced nationally
*Integration; if a few states like California or urban areas could dominate every single election, it would exclude voters in rural areas. This would have the effect of balkanizing our Nation geographically<ref>[https://twitter.com/baseballcrank/status/1124323414720876549 Dan McLaughlin]. ''Twitter''. May 3, 2019. Retrieved May 4, 2019.</ref>
*Republicanism; democratic tyranny by the majority, which the [[Founders]] strongly opposed

==Background==
The electoral procedure to select a President and Vice President is as follows:

*Political parties and independent presidential candidates select their electors under rules established by state laws.
*Political parties nominate presidential and vice presidential candidates, under rules established by each party.
*On the Tuesday following the first Monday of November, people choose the electors of their state based on the Presidential preference announced by each candidate for elector. (Most states use a "short form ballot" where the name of the candidates for president and Vice President appear on the ballot instead of the names of the candidates for elector.)
*On the Monday following the second Wednesday of December, electors of each state meet in their state capital to cast separate votes for the president and vice president. Many states have laws that require the electors to vote for the presidential and vice presidential candidates that they had promised to support, but in most cases the electors are highly loyal to their party and would be censured or expelled if they voted otherwise. (The term for an elector who does not vote as pledged is "faithless elector"; although there have been 150 such electors in history—including 16 in the 2016 election, five of whom voted against the losing candidate Hillary Clinton—no such protest vote has caused the would-be winner to lose.)
*The ballots are than sealed and sent to the President of the Senate (the [[Vice President of the United States of America|Vice President]]), who opens them on January 6.
*Candidates who win the majority of ballots for president and vice president will then be declared the winners. If no one wins the majority of the ballots for president, then the [[House of Representatives]] makes the choice from among the top three contenders. In this situation, each state's delegation has one vote and the majority of the states will have to elect the president. If there is no winner for vice president the senate will select between the top two contenders.
*At noon, January 20, the new president and vice president will be sworn into office.

The number of electors from each state is determined as being the same as the combined number of each state's [[United States Senate|senators]] and representatives. As the number of senators is always two, and the number of representatives is roughly proportional to the state's population (but always at least one), this means that larger states have more electors than smaller states, but smaller states have a ''proportionately'' higher number of electors. This mechanism was devised by the Founding Fathers as a compromise between large states (who felt they should have a greater say than the smaller states) and small states (who feared a straight proportional number would leave them too little influence).<ref>http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/8176.html</ref> The 23rd Amendment gave the District of Columbia as many electoral votes as it would have were it a state (it has never had more than the minimum three electors). Although American territories can vote in primary elections, they cannot vote in the general election, and thus have no electors.

Nearly all the states vote on a winner-take-all basis, such that whoever wins a [[plurality]] of the votes in that state then receives all of the Electoral College votes for that state. The only two exceptions are [[Maine]] and [[Nebraska]], which award two electoral votes to the statewide winner, while the winner of each congressional district gets the electoral vote for that district. Both states would therefore be able to split their share of votes between candidates; however, this has happened only one time: in 2008 [[Barack Obama]] won Nebraska's second congressional district, therefore winning one of Nebraska's five votes ([[John McCain]] won the other two districts and the statewide vote).

A proposed plan (preferred by many liberal-leaning states) which would effectively abolish the college would have states agreeing to allocate their electoral votes to the winner of the overall national popular vote (even when the state's voters chose another candidate); the plan would not take effect until states comprising 270 electoral votes (a majority of the 538 needed) have agreed to it, and (as it is a proposed interstate compact) would still require Congressional approval.
[[Image:Electoral map 2012-2020.svg.png|thumb|300px|right|Electoral votes by state per 2010 census, click for larger image.]]

There have been times when an elector casts a ballot for other than his/her party's candidate (a "faithless elector"). Such cases are rare, as electors are chosen from the most loyal of party supporters; such an elector will lose the party influence or position previously held. And only one time did faithless electors influence the election to an extent: in 1836 the 23 electors pledged for Martin Van Buren chose not to vote for his vice-presidential running mate (Richard Johnson) but voted for William Smith (a former South Carolina governor who was not on the ballot), forcing the Senate (under the provisions of the 12th Amendment) to choose; they chose Johnson so their actions had no real impact.

Elections in 1800 and 1824 required the House of Representatives to select a president, as no candidate won a majority. The 1824 vote leader, [[Andrew Jackson]], was later elected in 1828.

In 1876, Samuel Tilden won the popular vote, but [[Rutherford B. Hayes]] won the elector vote. The election was marred by allegations of fraud and was settled only by an agreement to end Reconstruction (and essentially allow Democrats to suppress minority voting for nearly the next century).

In 1888, [[Grover Cleveland]] got a plurality of the popular vote (by a margin of 110,476) but [[Benjamin Harrison]] won the electoral college vote, and became president. In 1960, [[Richard Nixon]] got a plurality of the popular vote, unless you count votes for [[John F. Kennedy]] that actually went to electors that were pledged to vote for someone else.

In the 2000 election, [[Al Gore]] narrowly got a plurality of the popular vote, and [[George W. Bush]] narrowly won the electoral vote. After a careful (and still considered by liberals to be an incomplete) recount of the election results in [[Florida]], [[George W. Bush]] was declared the 43rd President of the [[United States]].

In the 2016 election, [[Hillary Clinton]] won the popular vote and [[Donald Trump]] won the electoral vote. Rather than trying to win according to the longstanding rules, Democrats, showing their disrespect for the Constitution,<ref>Harsanyi, David (March 20, 2019). [https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/20/democrats-campaign-electoral-college-just-latest-attack-constitution/ Democrats Want To Kill The Electoral College Because They Fear The Constitution]. ''The Federalist''. Retrieved March 20, 2019.</ref> called for abolishing the Electoral College.<ref>Kurtz, Howard (October 12, 2018). [https://www.foxnews.com/politics/change-the-rules-why-the-left-is-slamming-the-senate-and-electoral-college Change the rules? Why the Left is slamming the Senate and Electoral College]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved October 12, 2018. See also:
*Ross, Tara (March 20, 2019). [https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/03/20/ditch-the-electoral-college-and-small-states-will-suffer/ Ditch the Electoral College, and Small States Will Suffer]. ''The Daily Signal''. Retrieved March 20, 2019.
*Vadum, Matthew (April 18, 2019). [https://www.theepochtimes.com/national-popular-vote-movement-seeks-to-make-electoral-college-obsolete_2886355.html National Popular Vote Movement Seeks to Make Electoral College Obsolete]. ''The Epoch Times''. Retrieved April 19, 2019.</ref> Some Democrats even falsely claimed that the Electoral College was created to protect slavery,<ref>Pollak, Joel B. (March 20, 2019). [https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/20/fact-check-no-democrats-the-electoral-college-was-not-created-because-of-slavery/ Fact Check: No, Democrats — The Electoral College Was Not Created Because of Slavery]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved March 20, 2019.</ref> and liberals and [[establishment]]arians of both parties claimed that it favored a certain political party over another.<ref>Ross, Tara (June 25, 2019). [https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/450069-the-electoral-college-isnt-meant-to-assist-either-partys-politicians The Electoral College isn't meant to assist either party's politicians]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved June 25, 2019.</ref> Republican Party members who opposed the Electoral College also did so because they believed it would force the GOP to adopt left-wing and globalist positions.<ref>Kirkwood, R. Cort (July 10, 2019). [https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/32824-weld-strategist-abandon-the-electoral-college GOP Strategist: Abandon the Electoral College]. ''The New American''. Retrieved July 10, 2019.</ref> Some more principled conservatives and conservative organizations, such as [[Prager University]], defended the electoral college both before<ref>https://www.prageru.com/video/the-popular-vote-vs-the-electoral-college/</ref><ref>https://www.prageru.com/video/do-you-understand-the-electoral-college/</ref> and after the election;<ref>https://www.prageru.com/video/3-reasons-we-need-the-electoral-college/</ref><ref>https://www.prageru.com/video/changing-minds-about-the-electoral-college/</ref><ref>https://www.prageru.com/video/the-electoral-college-is-essential/</ref> however, some [[RINO]]s condemned it.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOFuR7pbq9U</ref><ref>https://www.facebook.com/LibertyHangout/videos/2581332165434416/</ref>

==History==
At the [[Constitutional Convention]] in 1787, delegates put forth proposals for several different constitutional structures. The two primary plans, the [[Virginia Plan]] and the [[New Jersey Plan]], placed a stark contrast between small states and large states. One part of the Virginia Plan called for Congress to elect the president.<ref>[https://books.google.com/books?id=3PeMxg2yFpQC&pg=PA123 HIST]</ref> Seeking to keep a pure separation of powers, some delegates objected and electors chosen for the role was settled on.

Once the electoral college had been decided on, several delegates (Mason, Butler, Morris, Wilson, and Madison) openly recognized the institution's ability to protect the electoral process from cabal, corruption, intrigue, and faction.

The electoral college came into being in part because of [[James Wilson]], who was an early promoter of the concept.<ref>[http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2016/10/five-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-electoral-college/ Five things you need to know about the Electoral College]</ref> [[Pierce Butler (Founding Father)]] also supported the system early in the convention, as he was looking for a way to protect the electoral process against corruption and foreign intrigue.<ref>[https://books.google.com/books?id=Z_2PcXA9pxoC&pg=PR25 The Letters of Pierce Butler, 1790-1794: Nation Building and Enterprise in the New American Republic]</ref>

[[Federalist No. 68]] goes into detail about the Electoral College.

===Slavery===
The issue of slavery was not a reason for the introduction of the Electoral College. After the results of the [[2016 U.S. presidential election]], the [[Race card]] was employed in an attempt to shame supporters of the college and the results of the recent election.<ref>[https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/lauretta-brown/rep-john-conyers-electoral-college-rooted-slavery Rep. John Conyers: 'The Electoral College Is Rooted in Slavery'], [[CNSNews]]</ref><ref>[https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/12/ny_times_scrap_the_electoral_college_because_of_slavery.html NY Times: Scrap the Electoral College because of slavery], [[American Thinker]]</ref><ref>[https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/campaign/308175-how-the-electoral-college-changes-the-value-of-a-person-a-bit How the Electoral College changes the value of a person, a bit like slavery did], [[The Hill]]</ref><ref>[http://news.wgbh.org/2016/12/06/news/yes-electoral-college-really-vestige-slavery-its-time-get-rid-it Yes, The Electoral College Really Is A Vestige Of Slavery. It's Time To Get Rid Of It.], [[WGBH-TV]]</ref>

The timeline of the convention proves that the Electoral College was not introduced to protect slavery. This conclusion is fallacious, but is held by many despite the facts. The college was a reaction to a proposal which was made as a part of the Virginia Plan, originally introduced on May 29, 1787.<ref>[https://books.google.com/books?id=wYjvr7iCJVUC&pg=PA12 Taming the Electoral College]</ref><ref>[https://books.google.com/books?id=QmwRmsAjCCUC&pg=PA30 Constitutional Reform and Effective Government]</ref><ref>[https://books.google.com/books?id=XdWbAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA42 The American Revolution and the Young Republic: 1763 to 1816]</ref> It was viewed as dangerous for the president to be elected by the Congress(the original mode of the Virginia Plan), so to keep the executive independent the college was devised.

Three states – North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia – voted against the idea of using electors to choose a president. These were the three most pro-slavery states.<ref>[http://www.factsworld.ooo/opinion-the-electoral-college-was-not-a-pro-slavery-ploy/?i=1 The Electoral College Was Not A Pro-Slavery Ploy]</ref>

===2020 Electoral College certification===
[[File:Electoral College certification of Joe Biden.png|right|350px|thumb|Her name was [[Ashli Babbitt]], gunned down by Capitol Police outside the House Chamber during the electoral college certification of the [[fraud]]ulent 2020 presidential election.<ref>https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/her-name-was-ashli-babbit/</ref> ]]
:{{See also|2020 Presidential election|Biden Putsch}}
On an evening just prior to the Electoral College certification of the 2020 stolen presidential election, [[Antifa]] thugs terrorized the home of [[Sen. Josh Hawley]], where Sen. Hawley's wife and newborn infant were home alone.<ref>https://thepoliticalinsider.com/josh-hawley-slams-antifa-scumbags-who-attacked-his-home-with-wife-and-newborn-inside/</ref> Sen. Hawley had pledged to contest the results of the stolen election.

During the January 6, 2021 Joint Session of Congress to certify the Electoral College ballots, while three million peaceful protesters rallied in support of President Trump outside the capitol, chartered vans of Antifa were escorted by state police in black, unmarked SUVs into the midst of the crowd.<ref>https://twitter.com/RockNPolitics/status/1346897013607174148</ref><ref>https://archive.is/IiHln</ref><ref>https://youtu.be/L0xyqVMUh_E</ref> [[Capitol Police]] then removed barriers to allow the crowd to swarm the Capitol steps.<ref>https://twitter.com/cevansavenger/status/1346920924310867968</ref> Antifa rioters proceeded to break windows on the [[U.S. Capitol]] building and storm the premises.<ref>https://twitter.com/emmbeliever/status/1347032914182217728</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/TheRightMelissa/status/1347040212602466304</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1346908554804953088</ref> Facial recognition [[technology]] identified Antifa members,<ref>https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/6/xrvision-firm-claims-antifa-infiltrated-protesters/</ref> who had used disguises to infiltrate a pro-Trump protest group, as storming the building.<ref>https://gellerreport.com/2021/01/photos-reports-show-antifa-infiltrators-stormed-the-capitol-building.html/</ref> Twitter, in a flimsy attempt to cover for the Antifa punks, falsely claimed that a side-by-side photo comparison of one of the infiltrators (showing him at the Capitol in one photo, and at a BLM rally in June 2019 in the other photo, both of which show him with the same visually distinct tattoos) was "manipulated media" but gave no reason for their false claim.<ref>[https://twitter.com/KelemenCari/status/1346929418455842816 Cari Kelemen: "AZ BLM rally in June, DC Capital in January] at Twitter</ref>

The proceedings inside the House and Senate chambers were halted, and a Trump supporter who followed the crowd into the Capitol building was summarily executed by Capitol Police.<ref>https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1347076676342185984</ref>

Following the violence, several Senators withdrew their support of objections to fraudulent electors. One protester posted in [[social media]] a statement that he had been paid to disrupt the Trump rally and Congressional proceedings.<ref>https://twitter.com/ariellanewland/status/1347133853169803265</ref>

==Examples of Necessity==
Without the Electoral College, a nationwide popular vote determines the president and every voter in the election would be forced into a single group. Thus any vote stolen could impact the outcome, no matter where. However, the Electoral College can help protect an election from voter fraud to an extent due to its nature as a guiding tool for an indirect election. This means votes must be stolen in the right states in order to differently affect the outcome. If 20,000 votes for Donald Trump were stolen in California in 2016, there wouldn't have been any difference since the margin by which Hillary won that state was roughly 4 million votes.<ref>[https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_election_in_California,_2016 Presidential election in California, 2016]</ref> But if 20,000 votes were stolen in Michigan, that could very well have changed the outcome, since Donald Trump won that state by only 13,080 votes.<ref>[https://www.usnews.com/news/the-run-2016/articles/2016-11-14/the-10-closest-states-in-the-2016-election The 10 Closest States in the 2016 Election]</ref>

The Electoral College balances power between larger and smaller states to prevent large populations within large states and cities from monopolizing elections, especially taken into account the substantial disparities in population, population density, resources, and needs. Considering that a vast majority of resources supplied to big cities come from rural and suburban areas throughout the U.S., it is also important to give fair representation to smaller states beyond state-by-state power balancing interests and also take into account of economical interests to allow the U.S. to best advance itself in terms of jobs and letting the market thrive.

==Bibliography==
1. Bloom, Sol, and Johnson, Lars. ''The Story of the Constitution''. Christian Liberty Press, 2001.
 2. For an essay on attempts to abolish the '''Electoral College''', see [[Essay:Electoral College]].

==Further reading==
*Ross, Tara (2017). ''[https://www.amazon.com/Indispensable-Electoral-College-Founders-Country/dp/1621576744 The Indispensable Electoral College: How the Founders' Plan Saves Our Country from Mob Rule]''. Washington, D.C.: Regnery Publishing. ISBN 978-1-62157-674-7.

==References==
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==External links==
*[https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/25087-the-electoral-college-the-best-way-to-pick-a-president The Electoral College: The Best Way to Pick a President], by Steve Byas, ''The New American''
*[https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/04/what-the-electoral-college-saves-us-from/ What the Electoral College Saves Us From], by Dan McLaughlin, ''National Review''
*[https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/why-the-electoral-college-is-vital-not-outdated Why the Electoral College is vital, not outdated], by Mathew Spalding, ''Washington Examiner''
*[https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/allocation.html Electoral College allocation]
*[https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/04/opinion/the-electoral-college-slavery-myth.html The Electoral College Was Not a Pro-Slavery Ploy], [[The New York Times]]

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Mike Pence

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'''Michael Richard "Mike" Pence''' (born June 7, 1959)<ref name="Bio">[http://www.biography.com/people/mike-pence-071416 Mike Pence]. ''Biography.com''. Retrieved October 4, 2016.</ref> former [[Republican]] [[Vice President]] of the [[United States]] and a former Governor of [[Indiana]]. He also has been a [[conservative talk radio]] host and an attorney. His tenure as Vice President was highly controversial, even among supporters of [[Donald Trump]]. He has been frequently accused of being involved in numerous subversive acts which undermined the President's agenda, especially on foreign policy. In addition, he declined to participate in efforts to contest the 2020 election results in several states where irregularities were reported, while also attending [[Joe Biden]]'s inauguration.<ref>https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/534835-pence-other-gop-officials-expected-to-skip-trump-send-off</ref> For these reasons, if Trump runs again in 2024 it is very unlikely that Pence will be selected as his running mate.

Prior to being governor and vice-president, Pence was one of the more conservative members of [[Congress]], serving in the U.S. Representative from [[Indiana]]'s 6th congressional district. In the 111th Congress, he served as Chairman of the House Republican Conference. Pence has also been a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

==Early life==
Pence was born in Columbus, Indiana on June 7, 1959 to an Irish-Catholic family.<ref name="Bio"/><ref name="Eason10things"/> He was one of six children, and his father was a [[U.S. Army]] veteran and gas station-chain owner.<ref name="Bio"/><ref name="Eason10things"/>

Early in his life, Pence was strongly aligned with the [[Democratic Party (USA)|Democratic Party]] and was a Roman Catholic.<ref name="Bio"/><ref name="Eason10things"/> He volunteered for the party while in high school, and he voted for [[Jimmy Carter]] in 1980.<ref name="Bio"/> When Pence was in college he became a born-again Christian through his future wife, Karen.<ref name="Eason10things"/> After his conversion, his views shifted towards the right, and after the election of [[Ronald Reagan]] as president, Pence became a Republican as he was inspired by Reagan's policies.<ref name="Bio"/><ref name="Eason10things"/><ref>Graham, Jordan (September 8, 2016). [https://www.ocregister.com/articles/nominee-728408-tells-pence.html Mike Pence explains how Ronald Reagan made him a Republican]. ''The Orange County Register''. Retrieved September 18, 2016.</ref>

Pence graduated from Hanover College in 1981 with a B.A. in history, and he earned a Juris Doctor degree from Indiana University School of Law in 1986.<ref name="Bio"/>

==Early career==
After graduation, Pence became a practicing attorney and started to get involved in politics, first "becoming a precinct committeeman for the Marion County Republican Party."<ref name="Bio"/> He unsuccessfully ran for [[United States Congress|Congress]] in 1988 and 1990, but "learned a valuable lesson in defeat" and "vowed to preach a positive message" after becoming disgusted by his negative attack ads.<ref name="Bio"/>

Pence served as the president of the Indiana Policy Review Foundation from 1991 to 1993.<ref name="Bio"/> In 1994, he launched his own [[conservative talk radio]] show, and the next year he became a morning show host on television.<ref name="Bio"/> Pence discontinued both programs in 1999,<ref name="Bio"/> presumably in preparation for another run for Congress.

In October 2009 Pence defended conservative talk radio, saying:

<blockquote>
''"To suggest that men and women that are taking a stand for fiscal discipline and traditional values in the national debate today only speak for ‘grassroots activists’ is absurd. As evidenced by the hundreds of thousands that filled town hall meetings this summer and the nearly a million Americans who gathered here in Washington in September. Millions of Americans, Republicans, Democrats and Independents are worried about liberal social policies and runaway federal spending, deficit and debt.''

''So to my friends in the so-called ‘mainstream media’ I say, ‘conservative talk show hosts may not speak for everybody but they speak for more Americans than you do.’"''<ref>[https://www.politico.com/story/2009/10/pence-rush-beck-speak-for-many-028608# Pence: Rush, Beck speak for many]. ''Politico''. October 22, 2009. Retrieved October 6, 2016.</ref>
</blockquote>

==U.S. Congress==
[[File:MikePence.jpg|thumb|100px|left|Congressman]]
In 2000, Pence was elected to [[Congress]] and reelected in 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008, and 2010.<ref name="Bio"/> In 2005, he became chairman of the Republican Study Committee, a group representing the most conservative members of the House.<ref name="Bio"/> The next year, Pence unsuccessfully ran for House minority leader, losing to [[John Boehner]].<ref name="Bio"/> Pence served as the House Republican Conference Chair during the 111th Congress, which lasted from 2009–2011.<ref name="Bio"/><ref>[http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=p000587 PENCE, Mike, (1959 - )]. ''Biographical Directory of the United States Congress''. Retrieved October 5, 2016.</ref>

In Congress, Pence built a very conservative record, even opposing liberal Republican bills that would increase spending or the size of government, such as [[No Child Left Behind]] in 2001, and the Medicare expansion of 2002.<ref name="Bio"/><ref name="Eason10things"/>

He also engaged in a filibuster in an unusual way.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHnZphCBWTA</ref>

==Governor of Indiana==
Pence successfully ran for Indiana governor in 2012.<ref name="Bio"/><ref name="Eason10things"/>

Pence's successor, the conservative [[Mitch Daniels]], had been effective in boosting the state's economy, and Pence continued his policies. The Indiana economy continued to improve, and Pence cut taxes by $1.1 billion in 2013, which was the largest tax cut in state history.<ref name="Bio"/> In addition, Indiana has the seventh lowest tax burden or any state in 2013, and in 2014 Pence signed a law that will decrease the state corporate tax by 1.6 percent by 2021.<ref name="Eason10things"/> While liberals expect tax cuts to increase budget deficits, by 2016 Indiana actually had a $2 billion surplus,<ref name="Bio"/> and unemployment dropped by 3.4 percent since his term began.<ref name="Eason10things"/>

Pence became nationally famous in 2015 for initially defending a new religious freedom law for Indiana businesses that would have enabled them to decline services that support the [[homosexual agenda]], such as in being forced to bake a cake for [[Same-sex "marriage"|homosexual couples]].<ref name="Bio"/><ref name="Eason10things"/> Ultimately, Pence compromised under intense pressure from the [[liberal media]] and added protections for [[sexual orientation]] into Indiana law.<ref name="Bio"/><ref name="Eason10things"/> While many conservatives considered Pence's move a betrayal, subsequent events showed that Pence did stand up more against the [[homosexual agenda]] than virtually any other governor, including other Republicans such as [[Greg Abbott]] and [[Chris Christie]].

In addition, Pence is [[pro-life]], and in 2016 he signed a bill into law that stops abortions when the [[Human being|unborn human being]] has a disability.<ref name="Bio"/>

==2016 GOP vice-presidential nominee==
[[File:Donald Trump and Mike Pence RNC July 2016.jpg|thumb|Pence with Trump at the 2016 Republican National Convention.]]
{{see also|2016 U.S. presidential election}}
Pence first endorsed [[Texas]] Senator [[Ted Cruz]] for the Republican presidential nomination, but after businessman [[Donald Trump]] became the presumptive GOP nominee, Pence was chosen to be the vice-presidential nominee.<ref name="Bio"/>

Pence debated Democrat VP nominee [[Tim Kaine]] on October 4, 2016, and he gave a much better performance than Kaine.<ref>Boyle, Matthew (October 5, 2016). [https://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/05/pence-dominates-kaine-vice-presidential-debate/ ‘Flawless’ Victory: Mike Pence Dominates Tim Kaine in Vice Presidential Debate]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved October 6, 2016.</ref><ref>Agiesta, Jennifer (October 5, 2016). [https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/politics/mike-pence-tim-kaine-vp-debate-poll/ Pence edges Kaine in VP debate instant poll]. ''CNN''. Retrieved October 6, 2016.</ref> This was despite the fact that Kaine interrupted Pence 70 times in the debate.<ref>Struyk, Ryan (October 5, 2016). [https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tim-kaine-interrupted-mike-pence-70-times-vice/story?id=42583803 Tim Kaine Interrupted Mike Pence 70 Times in Vice Presidential Debate]. ''ABC News''. Retrieved October 6, 2016.</ref> Pence masterfully used his debating skills that he acquired from being a talk radio host while Kaine was hyper and sometimes hard to follow.<ref name="Bradner">Bradner, Eric (October 5, 2016). [https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/politics/vp-debate-takeaways/index.html 5 takeaways from the vice presidential debate]. ''CNN''. Retrieved October 6, 2016.</ref> Even the liberal [[mainstream media]], which holds [[double standards]] and loves to bash conservatives, believed that Pence won.<ref name="Bradner"/><ref>Zurcher, Anthony (October 5, 2016). [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/37558787 Pence v Kaine: Who won the vice-presidential debate?]. ''BBC News''. Retrieved October 5, 2016.</ref>

The Donald Trump–Mike Pence ticket won the election in a massive, historical upset.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/08/first-polls-close-in-2016-race-trump-projected-to-win-ind-ky-clinton-wins-vt.html Trump wins presidency, defeats Clinton in historic election upset]. ''Fox News''. November 8, 2016. Retrieved November 10, 2016.</ref>

==Vice-president==
Soon after the election, the conservative Pence replaced the moderate [[Chris Christie]], who is facing serious allegations in a scandal, as the head of Trump's transition team.<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/11/pence-reportedly-taking-over-transition-effort-from-christie.html Pence replaces Christie in Trump transition team shuffle]. ''Fox News''. November 11, 2016.</ref> One of his first decisions as head was to remove every lobbyist, who had been appointed by Christie, from the team, in order to "drain the swamp" in [[Washington D.C.]]<ref>[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/16/pence-removing-lobbyists-from-trump-transition-team.html Pence removing lobbyists from Trump transition team]. ''Fox News''. November 16, 2016. Retrieved November 17, 2016.</ref><ref>Jaffe, Alexandra (Novemer 16, 2016). [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/pence-removes-lobbyists-trump-transition-team-controversial-names-remain-n684836 Mike Pence Orders Lobbyists Be Removed From Transition Team]. ''NBC News''. Retrieved November 17, 2016.</ref> On the same day, the team announced that all [[Trump Administration]] officials would be placed under a five-year lobbying ban after leaving, which is much stricter than the ban by the transition team of the previous president, [[Barack Obama]].<ref>Arnsdorf, Isaac & Vogel, Kenneth P. (November 16, 2016). [https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-lobbying-ban-231534 Trump team announces tough lobbying ban]. ''Politico''. Retrieved November 17, 2016.</ref> The transition team under Pence's leadership reportedly completed its work on time and 20 percent under budget.<ref>Miller, S.A. (January 19, 2017). [http://washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/19/pence-trump-transition-finishing-time-under-budget/ Mike Pence: Trump transition finishing on time, under budget]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved February 8, 2017.</ref>

Vice President Pence became the first vice president in United States history to speak at the annual [[March for Life]] march in Washington D.C. in 2017.<ref>Sells, Heather (January 27, 2017). [https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2017/january/trump-administration-rallies-behind-march-for-life VP Mike Pence Making History at the March for Life]. ''CBN News''. Retrieved January 27, 2017.</ref><ref>Hickey, Jennifer (January 27, 2017). [https://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/27/massive-attendance-at-march-for-life-could-extend-crowd-size-chatter.html 'Life is winning': Pence fired up March for Life crowd]. ''Fox News''. Retrieved January 27, 2017.</ref>

On February 7, 2017, Pence became the first vice president in United States history to cast a tie-breaking vote in the Senate for confirming a cabinet nominee.<ref name="DeVosTie">[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/07/devos-confirmed-as-education-secretary-pence-casts-historic-tie-breaking-vote.html DeVos confirmed as education secretary, Pence casts historic tie-breaking vote]. ''Fox News''. February 7, 2017. Retrieved February 7, 2017.</ref> He also became the first since 2008 to cast a tie-breaking vote at all.<ref name="DeVosTie"/>
[[File:Mike Pence October 2017.jpg|thumb|250px|Pence speaking in October 2017]]
It was reported in late April 2017 that Pence and eight other Trump Administration [[Cabinet of Donald Trump|cabinet members]] were participating in a weekly [[Bible study]].<ref>[http://www1.cbn.com/beltwaybuzz/archive/2017/04/24/trump-cabinet-members-praying-studying-the-bible-together TOP STORY: Trump Cabinet Members Praying, Studying the Bible Together]. ''CBN News''. April 24, 2017. Retrieved April 28, 2017.</ref><ref>Gotera, Jay (April 28, 2017). [http://www.christianpost.com/news/trump-cabinet-members-gather-weekly-for-prayer-session-senate-and-house-also-hold-bible-studies-181770/ Trump Cabinet Members Gather Weekly for Prayer Session; Senate and House Also Hold Bible Studies]. ''The Christian Post''. Retrieved April 29, 2017.</ref><ref>Haverluck, Michael F. (April 29, 2017). [https://www.onenewsnow.com/church/2017/04/27/trump-cabinet-fellowships-thru-prayer-bible-study Trump cabinet fellowships thru prayer, Bible study]. ''One News Now''. Retrieved April 29, 2017.</ref> This suggested that the Trump Administration is, at least in part, striving to be under [[God]].<ref>Bakinski, Pete (April 29, 2017). [https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mike-pence-sponsors-bible-study-for-trump-cabinet Mike Pence sponsors Bible study for Trump cabinet]. ''Life Site News''. Retrieved April 29, 2017.</ref>

In May 2017, Pence created a PAC, called the "Great America Leadership PAC," to help fund the GOP in upcoming elections, becoming the first sitting vice president to do so.<ref>Spiering, Charlie (May 18, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/18/mike-pence-creates-great-america-leadership-pac/ Mike Pence Creates ‘Great America’ Leadership PAC]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved May 18, 2017.</ref>

Vice President Pence played an active and relatively important role in the [[Trump Administration]],<ref>Westwood, Sarah (June 18, 2017). [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mike-pence-stays-above-trump-scandals-and-in-touch-with-capitol-hill/article/2625973 Mike Pence stays above Trump scandals and in touch with Capitol Hill]. ''Washington Examiner''. Retrieved July 1, 2017.</ref><ref name="Envoy2017">O'Sullivan, Mike (December 31, 2017). [https://www.voanews.com/a/pence-role-presidential-envoy/4186257.html Pence Carving a Role as Presidential Envoy]. ''Voice of America''. Retrieved December 31, 2017.</ref> including representing the administration in foreign countries.<ref name="Envoy2017"/><ref>O'Sullivan, Mike (August 11, 2017). [https://www.voanews.com/a/vice-president-mike-pence-embraces-role-key-diplomat/3982273.html US VP Pence Embraces Role as Key Diplomat]. ''Voice of America''. Retrieved August 11, 2017.</ref> A July 2017 poll found Pence to be the most popular national political official and the only one with a positive rating – of both Republicans and Democrats – with 45% approving and 44% disapproving.<ref>Bedard, Paul (July 13, 2017). [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pence-rises-only-dc-leader-with-positive-approval-rating/article/2628554 Pence rises: Only DC leader with positive approval rating]. ''Washington Examiner''. Retrieved July 13, 2017.</ref> Pence used his role in the Trump Administration to promote socially conservative policies.<ref>Abutaleb, Yasmeen; Mason, Jeff (January 19, 2018). [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-pence/in-year-of-drama-and-chaos-pence-quietly-advances-conservative-agenda-idUSKBN1F82NO In year of drama and chaos, Pence quietly advances conservative agenda]. ''Reuters''. Retrieved January 20, 2018. See also:
*[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/20/look-vice-president-pences-first-year-office-key-takeaways/1048778001/ A look at Vice President Pence's first year in office: key takeaways]. ''USA Today''. January 20, 2018. Retrieved January 20, 2018.</ref>

Despite his generally conservative positions, Pence was the keynote speaker at a political strategy retreat for the [[Koch Brothers]], who take left-wing positions on several issues, particularly [[illegal immigration]] and [[globalism]].<ref>Binder, John (September 29, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/29/vp-mike-pence-to-be-keynote-speaker-at-pro-amnesty-koch-brothers-retreat/ VP Mike Pence to Be Keynote Speaker at Pro-Amnesty Koch Brothers’ Retreat]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved September 29, 2017.</ref>

In the early morning hours of January 7, 2021, Pence illegally certified the results of the [[2020 presidential election]] in favor of Democrat candidate [[Joe Biden]], even though Biden illegally benefited from massive amounts of voting fraud committed by the Democrats and their operatives to steal the election from President Trump.<ref>[https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-traitor-mike-pence-certifies-bidens-election-victory/ BREAKING: Traitor Mike Pence Certifies Biden’s Election ‘Victory’] at the Gateway Pundit</ref> In doing so, however, Pence fully exposed himself as being a liberal RINO, effectively ending his political career, as well as a traitor to America. Trump subsequently responded to Pence's betrayal in a statement publicized via Trump's White House Deputy Chief of Staff Dan Scavino, stating:

{{Cquote|Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th. I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it’s only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!<ref>[https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-president-trump-issues-statement-responding-electoral-certification/ BREAKING: President Trump Issues Statement Responding to Electoral Certification] at the Gateway Pundit</ref>}}

===Transition team===
:{{See also|Trump transition}}
As head of the Trump transition team, Pence recommended [[Dan Coats]] for [[DNI]], [[Michael Atkinson]] as [[Intelligence Community]] Inspector General (ICIG), [[James Mattis]] as [[Secretary of Defense]], and [[Dana Boente]] to head the [[DOJ-NSD]], all later proven anti-Trump [[Deep State]] operatives.

===Coronovirus task force===
Pence led the White House [[coronavirus task force]].<ref> [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/3/donald-trump-hits-3m-after-company-accused-selling/ Trump hits 3M after company is accused of selling masks to foreign countries over U.S. buyers] - ''The Washington Times''</ref>

===Election integrity===
:{{See also|Democrat election fraud}}
On December 22, 2020, Pence spoke at a [[Turning Point USA]] event in West Palm Beach, Florida where he told the crowd that “as our election contest continues, I’ll make you a promise. We’re going to keep fighting until every legal vote is counted. We’re going to keep fighting until every illegal vote is thrown out. we’re going to win Georgia, we’re going to save America, and we’ll never stop fighting to make America great again. You watch.”<ref>https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/mike-pence-speech-at-turning-point-usa-event-transcript-december-22</ref>

==Political philosophy==
Pence describes himself as "a [[Christian]], a conservative and a Republican, in that order."<ref name="Eason10things">Eason, Brian (July 15, 2016). [http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2016/07/07/trumps-vp-10-things-know-indiana-gov-mike-pence/86746980/ Trump's VP? 10 things to know about Indiana Gov. Mike Pence]. ''IndyStar''. Retrieved October 4, 2016.</ref><ref name="Phillips">Phillips, Amber (October 4, 2016). [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/14/10-things-you-should-know-about-mike-pence-who-may-join-donald-trump-on-the-gop-ticket/ Who is Mike Pence?]. ''The Washington Post''. Retrieved October 4, 2016.</ref> His political views are strongly influenced by his [[faith]] and by [[Russell Kirk]].<ref name="Eason10things"/> Pence was an early supporter of the [[Tea Party Movement|Tea Party movement]].<ref name="Phillips"/> On the other hand, Pence has a record of supporting many [[neoconservative]] and [[globalist]] policies, including high [[immigration]] levels,<ref>Munro, Neil (January 5, 2018). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/05/report-vp-pence-invites-pro-amnesty-sen-flake-lobby-trump/ Report: VP Pence Invites Sen. Flake To Lobby Trump For Amnesty]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved April 20, 2018.</ref> and his record indicates that he is not as conservative on social issues as the [[mainstream media]] alleges.<ref>Newman, Alex (July 15, 2016). [https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/23646-trump-vp-pence-globalist-neocon-or-solid-conservative Trump VP Pence: Globalist Neocon or Solid Conservative?] ''The New American''. Retrieved April 11, 2018.</ref>

At the October 7, 2020 VP debate (ahead of the elections), ABC's David Muir commented: Pence was very effective in defense of President Trump.<ref>ABC News, October 7, 2020, around 10:35 PM ET</ref> [[CNN]]'s (former [[Obama]]'s aide) far-left [[Van Jones]]: "Pence made conservative ideas look normal. That is to his credit."<ref>CNN News, October 7, 2020. around 10:49 PM ET
</ref>

==Personal life==
Pence married his wife Karen in 1985, and together they have three children.<ref name="Bio"/> As a Christian and out of [[Fidelity|loyalty to his wife]], he refuses to go out to dinner with any woman if his wife is not with him.<ref>Richardson, Bradford (November 29, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/29/mike-pence-rule-contrasts-sex-misconduct-accusatio/ Once mocked, ‘Pence rule’ gets renewed look in wake of sexual misconduct wave]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved November 30, 2017.</ref> [[Liberal]]s, who do not adhere to [[family values]], misunderstood Pence and falsely accused him of "sexism."<ref>Multiple references:
*Gonzales, Sara (March 31, 2017). [https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/03/31/liberals-reactions-to-mike-pences-loyalty-to-his-wife-are-getting-more-unhinged-by-the-hour/ Liberals’ reactions to Mike Pence’s loyalty to his wife are getting more unhinged by the hour]. ''The Blaze''. Retrieved May 10, 2017.
*Shapiro, Ben (April 6, 2017). [https://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/ben-shapiro/human-nature-and-mike-pences-dinner-partners On Human Nature and Mike Pence's Dinner Partners]. ''CNS News''. Retrieved May 10, 2017.
Liberal sources that genuinely believe Pence is "sexist" for his moral practice:
* Abcarian, Robin (April 5, 2017). [https://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-abcarian-pence-marriage-20170405-story.html Mike Pence won't dine alone with a woman who's not his wife. Is that sexist?]. ''Los Angeles Times''. Retrieved May 10, 2017.
* Duffy, Erin (April 5, 2017). [http://fortune.com/2017/04/05/mike-pence-wife-dinner/ How Mike Pence’s Dumb Dinner Rule Puts Women at a Disadvantage]. ''Fortune''. Retrieved May 10, 2017.</ref> Despite the fact that Pence is a Christian, he has used shameful, filthy language in public.<ref>McHugh, Katie (October 4, 2016). [https://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/04/mike-pence-mocks-media-coverage-of-trump-this-sht-really-is-fun-to-watch/ Mike Pence Mocks Media Coverage of Trump: ‘This Sh*t Really Is Fun to Watch’]. ''Breitbart''. Retrieved October 6, 2016.</ref>

== References ==
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==External links==
*[http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=p000587 Profile] on the ''Biographical Directory of the United States Congress''
*[https://ballotpedia.org/Mike_Pence Profile] on Ballotpedia
*[http://www.ontheissues.org/in/Mike_Pence.htm Mike Pence On the Issues]

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==Chapter 1==

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|[[Adam]], Sheth, Enosh,
|Adam, Sheth, Enosh,
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|2
|Kenan, Mahalaleel, Jered,
|Kenan, Mahalaleel, Jered,
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|3
|Henoch, Methuselah, Lamech,
|Henoch, Methuselah, Lamech,
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|4
|Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
|Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
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|The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
|Japheth's sons; Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.
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|And the sons of Gomer; Ashchenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
|And Gomer's sons; Ashchenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah
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|7
|And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
|And Javan's sons; Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
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|8
|The sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.
|Ham's sons; Cush, Mizraim, Put, and Canaan.
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|9
|And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabta, and Raamah, and Sabtecha. And the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
|And Cush's; Seba, Havilah, Sabta, Raamah, and Sabtecha. And the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
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|10
|And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be mighty upon the earth.
|And Cush had a son Nimrod: he became a mighty man on the earth.
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|11
|And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,
|And Mizraim had seven sons Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim,
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|12
|And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (of whom came the Philistines,) and Caphthorim.
|Pathrusim, Casluhim (father to the race of the Philistines), and Caphthorim.
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|13
|And Canaan begat Zidon his firstborn, and Heth,
|And Canaan had a child Zidon his firstborn, and Heth,
|These are primarily sons, but I have no evidence myself that they are all sons.
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|14
|The Jebusite also, and the Amorite, and the Girgashite,
|Also the Jebusite, the Amorite, and the Girgashite.
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|15
|And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
|The Hivite, the Arkite, and the Sinite,
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|16
|And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite.
|The Arvadite, the Zemarite, and the Hamathite.
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|The sons of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram, and Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Meshech.
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|And Arphaxad begat Shelah, and Shelah begat Eber.
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|And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother's name was Joktan.
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|And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,
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|Hadoram also, and Uzal, and Diklah,
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|And Ebal, and Abimael, and Sheba,
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|And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab. All these were the sons of Joktan.
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|Shem, Arphaxad, Shelah,
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|25
|Eber, Peleg, Reu,
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|26
|Serug, Nahor, Terah,
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|Abram; the same is Abraham.
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|The sons of Abraham; Isaac, and Ishmael.
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|These are their generations: The firstborn of Ishmael, Nebaioth; then Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,
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|Mishma and Dumah, Massa, Hadad, and Tema,
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|Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah. These are the sons of Ishmael.
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|Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan.
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|And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Henoch, and Abida, and Eldaah. All these are the sons of Keturah.
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|And Abraham begat Isaac. The sons of Isaac; Esau and Israel.
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|35
|The sons of Esau; Eliphaz, Reuel, and Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah.
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|The sons of Eliphaz; Teman, and Omar, Zephi, and Gatam, Kenaz, and Timna, and Amalek.
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|37
|The sons of Reuel; Nahath, Zerah, Shammah, and Mizzah.
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|38
|And the sons of Seir; Lotan, and Shobal, and Zibeon, and Anah, and Dishon, and Ezer, and Dishan.
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|39
|And the sons of Lothan; Hori, and Homam: and Timna was Lotan's sister.
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|40
|The sons of Shobal; Alian, and Manahath, and Ebal, Shephi, and Onam. And the sons of Zibeon; Aiah, and Anah.
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|41
|The sons of Anah; Dishon. And the sons of Dishon; Amram, and Eshban, and Ithran, and Cheran.
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|42
|The sons of Ezer; Bilhan, and Zavan, and Jakan. The sons of Dishan; Uz, and Aran.
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|43
|Now these are the kings that reigned in the land of Edom before any king reigned over the children of Israel; Bela the son of Beor: and the name of his city was Dinhabah.
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|And when Bela was dead, Jobab the son of Zerah of Bozrah reigned in his stead.
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|45
|And when Jobab was dead, Husham of the land of the Temanites reigned in his stead.
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|And when Husham was dead, Hadad the son of Bedad, which smote Midian in the field of Moab, reigned in his stead: and the name of his city was Avith.
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|And when Hadad was dead, Samlah of Masrekah reigned in his stead.
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|48
|And when Samlah was dead, Shaul of Rehoboth by the river reigned in his stead.
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|49
|And when Shaul was dead, Baal-hanan the son of Achbor reigned in his stead.
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|And when Baal-hanan was dead, Hadad reigned in his stead: and the name of his city was Pai; and his wife's name was Mehetabel, the daughter of Matred, the daughter of Mezahab.
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|Hadad died also. And the dukes of Edom were; duke Timnah, duke Aliah, duke Jetheth,
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|Duke Aholibamah, duke Elah, duke Pinon,
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|Duke Kenaz, duke Teman, duke Mibzar,
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|Duke Magdiel, duke Iram. These are the dukes of Edom.
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==Chapter 2==

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|These are the sons of Israel; Reuben, Simeon, Levi, and Judah, Issachar, and Zebulun,
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|Dan, Joseph, and Benjamin, Naphtali, Gad, and Asher.
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|The sons of Judah; Er, and Onan, and Shelah: which three were born unto him of the daughter of Shua the Canaanitess. And Er, the firstborn of Judah, was evil in the sight of the LORD; and he slew him.
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|4
|And Tamar his daughter in law bare him Pharez and Zerah. All the sons of Judah were five.
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|5
|The sons of Pharez; Hezron, and Hamul.
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|6
|And the sons of Zerah; Zimri, and Ethan, and Heman, and Calcol, and Dara: five of them in all.
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|7
|And the sons of Carmi; Achar, the troubler of Israel, who transgressed in the thing accursed.
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|And the sons of Ethan; Azariah.
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|9
|The sons also of Hezron, that were born unto him; Jerahmeel, and Ram, and Chelubai.
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|And Ram begat Amminadab; and Amminadab begat Nahshon, prince of the children of Judah;
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|And Nahshon begat Salma, and Salma begat Boaz,
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|12
|And Boaz begat Obed, and Obed begat Jesse,
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|13
|And Jesse begat his firstborn Eliab, and Abinadab the second, and Shimma the third,
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|Nethaneel the fourth, Raddai the fifth,
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|Ozem the sixth, David the seventh:
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|Whose sisters were Zeruiah, and Abigail. And the sons of Zeruiah; Abishai, and Joab, and Asahel, three.
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|And Abigail bare Amasa: and the father of Amasa was Jether the Ishmeelite.
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|And Caleb the son of Hezron begat children of Azubah his wife, and of Jerioth: her sons are these; Jesher, and Shobab, and Ardon.
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|And when Azubah was dead, Caleb took unto him Ephrath, which bare him Hur.
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|And Hur begat Uri, and Uri begat Bezaleel.
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|And afterward Hezron went in to the daughter of Machir the father of Gilead, whom he married when he was threescore years old; and she bare him Segub.
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|And Segub begat Jair, who had three and twenty cities in the land of Gilead.
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|And he took Geshur, and Aram, with the towns of Jair, from them, with Kenath, and the towns thereof, even threescore cities. All these belonged to the sons of Machir the father of Gilead.
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|And after that Hezron was dead in Caleb-ephratah, then Abiah Hezron's wife bare him Ashur the father of Tekoa.
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|And the sons of Jerahmeel the firstborn of Hezron were, Ram the firstborn, and Bunah, and Oren, and Ozem, and Ahijah.
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|Jerahmeel had also another wife, whose name was Atarah; she was the mother of Onam.
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|And the sons of Ram the firstborn of Jerahmeel were, Maaz, and Jamin, and Eker.
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|And the sons of Onam were, Shammai, and Jada. And the sons of Shammai; Nadab, and Abishur.
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|And the name of the wife of Abishur was Abihail, and she bare him Ahban, and Molid.
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|And the sons of Nadab; Seled, and Appaim: but Seled died without children.
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|And the sons of Appaim; Ishi. And the sons of Ishi; Sheshan. And the children of Sheshan; Ahlai.
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|And the sons of Jada the brother of Shammai; Jether and Jonathan: and Jether died without children.
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|And the sons of Jonathan; Peleth, and Zaza. These were the sons of Jerahmeel.
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|Now Sheshan had no sons, but daughters. And Sheshan had a servant, an Egyptian, whose name was Jarha.
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|And Sheshan gave his daughter to Jarha his servant to wife; and she bare him Attai.
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|And Attai begat Nathan, and Nathan begat Zabad,
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|And Zabad begat Ephlal, and Ephlal begat Obed,
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|And Obed begat Jehu, and Jehu begat Azariah,
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|And Azariah begat Helez, and Helez begat Eleasah,
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|And Eleasah begat Sisamai, and Sisamai begat Shallum,
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|And Shallum begat Jekamiah, and Jekamiah begat Elishama.
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|Now the sons of Caleb the brother of Jerahmeel were, Mesha his firstborn, which was the father of Ziph; and the sons of Mareshah the father of Hebron.
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|And the sons of Hebron; Korah, and Tappuah, and Rekem, and Shema.
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|And Shema begat Raham, the father of Jorkoam: and Rekem begat Shammai.
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|And the son of Shammai was Maon: and Maon was the father of Beth-zur.
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|And Ephah, Caleb's concubine, bare Haran, and Moza, and Gazez: and Haran begat Gazez.
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|And the sons of Jahdai; Regem, and Jotham, and Geshan, and Pelet, and Ephah, and Shaaph.
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|Maachah, Caleb's concubine, bare Sheber, and Tirhanah.
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|She bare also Shaaph the father of Madmannah, Sheva the father of Machbenah, and the father of Gibea: and the daughter of Caleb was Achsah.
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|These were the sons of Caleb the son of Hur, the firstborn of Ephratah; Shobal the father of Kirjath-jearim,
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|Salma the father of Bethlehem, Hareph the father of Beth-gader.
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|And Shobal the father of Kirjath-jearim had sons; Haroeh, and half of the Manahethites.
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|And the families of Kirjath-jearim; the Ithrites, and the Puhites, and the Shumathites, and the Mishraites; of them came the Zareathites, and the Eshtaulites.
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|The sons of Salma; Bethlehem, and the Netophathites, Ataroth, the house of Joab, and half of the Manahethites, the Zorites.
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|And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
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==Chapter 3==

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|Now these were the sons of David, which were born unto him in Hebron; the firstborn Amnon, of Ahinoam the Jezreelitess; the second Daniel, of Abigail the Carmelitess:
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|The third, Absalom the son of Maachah the daughter of Talmai king of Geshur: the fourth, Adonijah the son of Haggith:
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|The fifth, Shephatiah of Abital: the sixth, Ithream by Eglah his wife.
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|These six were born unto him in Hebron; and there he reigned seven years and six months: and in Jerusalem he reigned thirty and three years.
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|And these were born unto him in Jerusalem; Shimea, and Shobab, and Nathan, and Solomon, four, of Bath-shua the daughter of Ammiel:
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|Ibhar also, and Elishama, and Eliphelet,
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|And Nogah, and Nepheg, and Japhia,
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|And Elishama, and Eliada, and Eliphelet, nine.
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|These were all the sons of David, beside the sons of the concubines, and Tamar their sister.
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|And Solomon's son was Rehoboam, Abia his son, Asa his son, Jehoshaphat his son,
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|Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son,
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|Amaziah his son, Azariah his son, Jotham his son,
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|Ahaz his son, Hezekiah his son, Manasseh his son,
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|Amon his son, Josiah his son.
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|And the sons of Josiah were, the firstborn Johanan, the second Jehoiakim, the third Zedekiah, the fourth Shallum.
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|And the sons of Jehoiakim: Jeconiah his son, Zedekiah his son.
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|And the sons of Jeconiah; Assir, Salathiel his son,
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|Malchiram also, and Pedaiah, and Shenazar, Jecamiah, Hoshama, and Nedabiah.
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|And the sons of Pedaiah were, Zerubbabel, and Shimei: and the sons of Zerubbabel; Meshullam, and Hananiah, and Shelomith their sister:
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|And Hashubah, and Ohel, and Berechiah, and Hasadiah, Jushab-hesed, five.
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|And the sons of Hananiah; Pelatiah, and Jesaiah: the sons of Rephaiah, the sons of Arnan, the sons of Obadiah, the sons of Shechaniah.
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|And the sons of Shechaniah; Shemaiah; and the sons of Shemaiah; Hattush, and Igeal, and Bariah, and Neariah, and Shaphat, six.
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|And the sons of Neariah; Elioenai, and Hezekiah, and Azrikam, three.
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|And the sons of Elioenai were, Hodaiah, and Eliashib, and Pelaiah, and Akkub, and Johanan, and Dalaiah, and Anani, seven.
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==Chapter 4==

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|The sons of Judah; Pharez, Hezron, and Carmi, and Hur, and Shobal.
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|And Reaiah the son of Shobal begat Jahath; and Jahath begat Ahumai and Lahad. These are the families of the Zorathites.
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|And these were of the father of Etam; Jezreel, and Ishma, and Idbash: and the name of their sister was Hazelelponi:
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|And Penuel the father of Gedor and Ezer the father of Hushah. These are the sons of Hur, the firstborn of Ephratah, the father of Bethlehem.
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|And Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives, Helah and Naarah.
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|And Naarah bare him Ahuzam, and Hepher, and Temeni, and Haahashtari. These were the sons of Naarah.
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|And the sons of Helah were, Zereth, and Jezoar, and Ethnan.
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|And Coz begat Anub, and Zobebah, and the families of Aharhel the son of Harum.
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|And Jabez was more honourable than his brethren: and his mother called his name Jabez, saying, Because I bare him with sorrow.
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|And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that thou wouldest bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that thine hand might be with me, and that thou wouldest keep me from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested.
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|And Chelub the brother of Shuah begat Mehir, which was the father of Eshton.
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|And Eshton begat Beth-rapha, and Paseah, and Tehinnah the father of Ir-nahash. These are the men of Rechah.
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|And the sons of Kenaz; Othniel, and Seraiah: and the sons of Othniel; Hathath.
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|And Meonothai begat Ophrah: and Seraiah begat Joab, the father of the valley of Charashim; for they were craftsmen.
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|And the sons of Caleb the son of Jephunneh; Iru, Elah, and Naam: and the sons of Elah, even Kenaz.
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|And the sons of Jehaleleel; Ziph, and Ziphah, Tiria, and Asareel.
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|And the sons of Ezra were, Jether, and Mered, and Epher, and Jalon: and she bare Miriam, and Shammai, and Ishbah the father of Eshtemoa.
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|And his wife Jehudiajah bare Jered the father of Gedor, and Heber the father of Socho, and Jekuthiel the father of Zanoah. And these are the sons of Bithiah the daughter of Pharaoh, which Mered took.
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|And the sons of his wife Hodiah the sister of Naham, the father of Keilah the Garmite, and Eshtemoa the Maachathite.
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|And the sons of Shimon were, Amnon, and Rinnah, Ben-hanan, and Tilon. And the sons of Ishi were, Zoheth, and Ben-zoheth.
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|The sons of Shelah the son of Judah were, Er the father of Lecah, and Laadah the father of Mareshah, and the families of the house of them that wrought fine linen, of the house of Ashbea,
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|And Jokim, and the men of Chozeba, and Joash, and Saraph, who had the dominion in Moab, and Jashubi-lehem. And these are ancient things.
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|These were the potters, and those that dwelt among plants and hedges: there they dwelt with the king for his work.
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|The sons of Simeon were, Nemuel, and Jamin, Jarib, Zerah, and Shaul:
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|Shallum his son, Mibsam his son, Mishma his son.
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|And the sons of Mishma; Hamuel his son, Zachur his son, Shimei his son.
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|And Shimei had sixteen sons and six daughters; but his brethren had not many children, neither did all their family multiply, like to the children of Judah.
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|And they dwelt at Beer-sheba, and Moladah, and Hazar-shual,
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|And at Bilhah, and at Ezem, and at Tolad,
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|And at Bethuel, and at Hormah, and at Ziklag,
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|And at Beth-marcaboth, and Hazar-susim, and at Beth-birei, and at Shaaraim. These were their cities unto the reign of David.
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|And their villages were, Etam, and Ain, Rimmon, and Tochen, and Ashan, five cities:
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|And all their villages that were round about the same cities, unto Baal. These were their habitations, and their genealogy.
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|And Meshobab, and Jamlech, and Joshah the son of Amaziah,
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|And Joel, and Jehu the son of Josibiah, the son of Seraiah, the son of Asiel,
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|And Elioenai, and Jaakobah, and Jeshohaiah, and Asaiah, and Adiel, and Jesimiel, and Benaiah,
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|And Ziza the son of Shiphi, the son of Allon, the son of Jedaiah, the son of Shimri, the son of Shemaiah;
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|These mentioned by their names were princes in their families: and the house of their fathers increased greatly.
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|And they went to the entrance of Gedor, even unto the east side of the valley, to seek pasture for their flocks.
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|And they found fat pasture and good, and the land was wide, and quiet, and peaceable; for they of Ham had dwelt there of old.
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|And these written by name came in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah, and smote their tents, and the habitations that were found there, and destroyed them utterly unto this day, and dwelt in their rooms: because there was pasture there for their flocks.
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|And some of them, even of the sons of Simeon, five hundred men, went to mount Seir, having for their captains Pelatiah, and Neariah, and Rephaiah, and Uzziel, the sons of Ishi.
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|And they smote the rest of the Amalekites that were escaped, and dwelt there unto this day.
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==Chapter 5==

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|Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.
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|For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)
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|The sons, I say, of Reuben the firstborn of Israel were, Hannoch, and Pallu, Hezron, and Carmi.
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|The sons of Joel; Shemaiah his son, Gog his son, Shimei his son,
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|Micah his son, Reaia his son, Baal his son,
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|Beerah his son, whom Tilgath-pilneser king of Assyria carried away captive: he was prince of the Reubenites.
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|And his brethren by their families, when the genealogy of their generations was reckoned, were the chief, Jeiel, and Zechariah,
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|And Bela the son of Azaz, the son of Shema, the son of Joel, who dwelt in Aroer, even unto Nebo and Baal-meon:
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|And eastward he inhabited unto the entering in of the wilderness from the river Euphrates: because their cattle were multiplied in the land of Gilead.
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|And in the days of Saul they made war with the Hagarites, who fell by their hand: and they dwelt in their tents throughout all the east land of Gilead.
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|And the children of Gad dwelt over against them, in the land of Bashan unto Salchah:
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|Joel the chief, and Shapham the next, and Jaanai, and Shaphat in Bashan.
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|And their brethren of the house of their fathers were, Michael, and Meshullam, and Sheba, and Jorai, and Jachan, and Zia, and Heber, seven.
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|These are the children of Abihail the son of Huri, the son of Jaroah, the son of Gilead, the son of Michael, the son of Jeshishai, the son of Jahdo, the son of Buz;
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|Ahi the son of Abdiel, the son of Guni, chief of the house of their fathers.
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|And they dwelt in Gilead in Bashan, and in her towns, and in all the suburbs of Sharon, upon their borders.
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|All these were reckoned by genealogies in the days of Jotham king of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam king of Israel.
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|The sons of Reuben, and the Gadites, and half the tribe of Manasseh, of valiant men, men able to bear buckler and sword, and to shoot with bow, and skilful in war, were four and forty thousand seven hundred and threescore, that went out to the war.
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|And they made war with the Hagarites, with Jetur, and Nephish, and Nodab.
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|And they were helped against them, and the Hagarites were delivered into their hand, and all that were with them: for they cried to God in the battle, and he was intreated of them; because they put their trust in him.
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|And they took away their cattle; of their camels fifty thousand, and of sheep two hundred and fifty thousand, and of asses two thousand, and of men an hundred thousand.
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|For there fell down many slain, because the war was of God. And they dwelt in their steads until the captivity.
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|And the children of the half tribe of Manasseh dwelt in the land: they increased from Bashan unto Baal-hermon and Senir, and unto mount Hermon.
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|And these were the heads of the house of their fathers, even Epher, and Ishi, and Eliel, and Azriel, and Jeremiah, and Hodaviah, and Jahdiel, mighty men of valour, famous men, and heads of the house of their fathers.
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|And they transgressed against the God of their fathers, and went a whoring after the gods of the people of the land, whom God destroyed before them.
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|And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgath-pilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river Gozan, unto this day.
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==Chapter 6==

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|The sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari.
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|And the sons of Kohath; Amram, Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel.
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|And the children of Amram; Aaron, and Moses, and Miriam. The sons also of Aaron; Nadab, and Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.
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|Eleazar begat Phinehas, Phinehas begat Abishua,
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|And Abishua begat Bukki, and Bukki begat Uzzi,
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|And Uzzi begat Zerahiah, and Zerahiah begat Meraioth,
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|Meraioth begat Amariah, and Amariah begat Ahitub,
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|And Ahitub begat Zadok, and Zadok begat Ahimaaz,
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|And Ahimaaz begat Azariah, and Azariah begat Johanan,
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|And Johanan begat Azariah, (he it is that executed the priest's office in the temple that Solomon built in Jerusalem:)
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|And Azariah begat Amariah, and Amariah begat Ahitub,
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|And Ahitub begat Zadok, and Zadok begat Shallum,
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|And Shallum begat Hilkiah, and Hilkiah begat Azariah,
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|And Azariah begat Seraiah, and Seraiah begat Jehozadak,
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|And Jehozadak went into captivity, when the LORD carried away Judah and Jerusalem by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar.
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|The sons of Levi; Gershom, Kohath, and Merari.
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|And these be the names of the sons of Gershom; Libni, and Shimei.
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|And the sons of Kohath were, Amram, and Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel.
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|The sons of Merari; Mahli, and Mushi. And these are the families of the Levites according to their fathers.
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|Of Gershom; Libni his son, Jahath his son, Zimmah his son,
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|Joah his son, Iddo his son, Zerah his son, Jeaterai his son.
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|The sons of Kohath; Amminadab his son, Korah his son, Assir his son,
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|Elkanah his son, and Ebiasaph his son, and Assir his son,
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|Tahath his son, Uriel his son, Uzziah his son, and Shaul his son.
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|And the sons of Elkanah; Amasai, and Ahimoth.
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|As for Elkanah: the sons of Elkanah; Zophai his son, and Nahath his son,
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|Eliab his son, Jeroham his son, Elkanah his son.
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|And the sons of Samuel; the firstborn Vashni, and Abiah.
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|The sons of Merari; Mahli, Libni his son, Shimei his son, Uzza his son,
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|Shimea his son, Haggiah his son, Asaiah his son.
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|And these are they whom David set over the service of song in the house of the LORD, after that the ark had rest.
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|And they ministered before the dwelling place of the tabernacle of the congregation with singing, until Solomon had built the house of the LORD in Jerusalem: and then they waited on their office according to their order.
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|And these are they that waited with their children. Of the sons of the Kohathites: Heman a singer, the son of Joel, the son of Shemuel,
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|The son of Elkanah, the son of Jeroham, the son of Eliel, the son of Toah,
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|The son of Zuph, the son of Elkanah, the son of Mahath, the son of Amasai,
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|The son of Elkanah, the son of Joel, the son of Azariah, the son of Zephaniah,
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|The son of Tahath, the son of Assir, the son of Ebiasaph, the son of Korah,
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|The son of Izhar, the son of Kohath, the son of Levi, the son of Israel.
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|And his brother Asaph, who stood on his right hand, even Asaph the son of Berachiah, the son of Shimea,
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|The son of Michael, the son of Baaseiah, the son of Malchiah,
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|The son of Ethni, the son of Zerah, the son of Adaiah,
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|The son of Ethan, the son of Zimmah, the son of Shimei,
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|The son of Jahath, the son of Gershom, the son of Levi.
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|And their brethren the sons of Merari stood on the left hand: Ethan the son of Kishi, the son of Abdi, the son of Malluch,
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|The son of Hashabiah, the son of Amaziah, the son of Hilkiah,
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|The son of Amzi, the son of Bani, the son of Shamer,
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|The son of Mahli, the son of Mushi, the son of Merari, the son of Levi.
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|Their brethren also the Levites were appointed unto all manner of service of the tabernacle of the house of God.
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|But Aaron and his sons offered upon the altar of the burnt offering, and on the altar of incense, and were appointed for all the work of the place most holy, and to make an atonement for Israel, according to all that Moses the servant of God had commanded.
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|And these are the sons of Aaron; Eleazar his son, Phinehas his son, Abishua his son,
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|Bukki his son, Uzzi his son, Zerahiah his son,
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|Meraioth his son, Amariah his son, Ahitub his son,
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|Zadok his son, Ahimaaz his son.
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|Now these are their dwelling places throughout their castles in their coasts, of the sons of Aaron, of the families of the Kohathites: for theirs was the lot.
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|And they gave them Hebron in the land of Judah, and the suburbs thereof round about it.
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|But the fields of the city, and the villages thereof, they gave to Caleb the son of Jephunneh.
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|And to the sons of Aaron they gave the cities of Judah, namely, Hebron, the city of refuge, and Libnah with her suburbs, and Jattir, and Eshtemoa, with their suburbs,
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|And Hilen with her suburbs, Debir with her suburbs,
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|And Ashan with her suburbs, and Beth-shemesh with her suburbs:
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|And out of the tribe of Benjamin; Geba with her suburbs, and Alemeth with her suburbs, and Anathoth with her suburbs. All their cities throughout their families were thirteen cities.
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|And unto the sons of Kohath, which were left of the family of that tribe, were cities given out of the half tribe, namely, out of the half tribe of Manasseh, by lot, ten cities.
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|And to the sons of Gershom throughout their families out of the tribe of Issachar, and out of the tribe of Asher, and out of the tribe of Naphtali, and out of the tribe of Manasseh in Bashan, thirteen cities.
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|Unto the sons of Merari were given by lot, throughout their families, out of the tribe of Reuben, and out of the tribe of Gad, and out of the tribe of Zebulun, twelve cities.
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|And the children of Israel gave to the Levites these cities with their suburbs.
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|And they gave by lot out of the tribe of the children of Judah, and out of the tribe of the children of Simeon, and out of the tribe of the children of Benjamin, these cities, which are called by their names.
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|And the residue of the families of the sons of Kohath had cities of their coasts out of the tribe of Ephraim.
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|And they gave unto them, of the cities of refuge, Shechem in mount Ephraim with her suburbs; they gave also Gezer with her suburbs,
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|And Jokmeam with her suburbs, and Beth-horon with her suburbs,
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|And Aijalon with her suburbs, and Gath-rimmon with her suburbs:
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|And out of the half tribe of Manasseh; Aner with her suburbs, and Bileam with her suburbs, for the family of the remnant of the sons of Kohath.
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|Unto the sons of Gershom were given out of the family of the half tribe of Manasseh, Golan in Bashan with her suburbs, and Ashtaroth with her suburbs:
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|And out of the tribe of Issachar; Kedesh with her suburbs, Daberath with her suburbs,
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|And Ramoth with her suburbs, and Anem with her suburbs:
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|And out of the tribe of Asher; Mashal with her suburbs, and Abdon with her suburbs,
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|And Hukok with her suburbs, and Rehob with her suburbs:
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|And out of the tribe of Naphtali; Kedesh in Galilee with her suburbs, and Hammon with her suburbs, and Kirjathaim with her suburbs.
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|Unto the rest of the children of Merari were given out of the tribe of Zebulun. Rimmon with her suburbs, Tabor with her suburbs:
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|And on the other side Jordan by Jericho, on the east side of Jordan, were given them out of the tribe of Reuben, Bezer in the wilderness with her suburbs, and Jahzah with her suburbs,
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|Kedemoth also with her suburbs, and Mephaath with her suburbs:
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|And out of the tribe of Gad; Ramoth in Gilead with her suburbs, and Mahanaim with her suburbs,
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==Chapter 7==

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|Now the sons of Issachar were, Tola, and Puah, Jashub, and Shimron, four.
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|And the sons of Tola; Uzzi, and Rephaiah, and Jeriel, and Jahmai, and Jibsam, and Shemuel, heads of their father's house, to wit, of Tola: they were valiant men of might in their generations; whose number was in the days of David two and twenty thousand and six hundred.
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|And the sons of Uzzi; Izrahiah: and the sons of Izrahiah; Michael, and Obadiah, and Joel, Ishiah, five: all of them chief men.
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|And with them, by their generations, after the house of their fathers, were bands of soldiers for war, six and thirty thousand men: for they had many wives and sons.
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|And their brethren among all the families of Issachar were valiant men of might, reckoned in all by their genealogies fourscore and seven thousand.
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|The sons of Benjamin; Bela, and Becher, and Jediael, three.
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|And the sons of Bela; Ezbon, and Uzzi, and Uzziel, and Jerimoth, and Iri, five; heads of the house of their fathers, mighty men of valour; and were reckoned by their genealogies twenty and two thousand and thirty and four.
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|And the sons of Becher; Zemira, and Joash, and Eliezer, and Elioenai, and Omri, and Jerimoth, and Abiah, and Anathoth, and Alameth. All these are the sons of Becher.
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|And the number of them, after their genealogy by their generations, heads of the house of the fathers, mighty men of valour, was twenty thousand and two hundred.
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|The sons also of Jediael; Bilhan: and the sons of Bilhan; Jeush, and Benjamin, and Ehud, and Chenaanah, and Zethan, and Tharshish, and Ahishahar.
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|All these the sons of Jediael, by the heads of their fathers, mighty men of valour, were seventeen thousand and two hundred soldiers, fit to go out for war and battle.
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|Shuppim also, and Huppim, the children of Ir, and Hushim, the sons of Aher.
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|The sons of Naphtali; Jahziel, and Guni, and Jezer, and Shallum, the sons of Bilhah.
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|The sons of Manasseh; Ashriel, whom she bare: (but his concubine the Aramitess bare Machir the father of Gilead:
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|And Machir took to wife the sister of Huppim and Shuppim, whose sister's name was Maachah;) and the name of the second was Zelophehad: and Zelophehad had daughters.
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|And Maachah the wife of Machir bare a son, and she called his name Peresh; and the name of his brother was Sheresh; and his sons were Ulam and Rakem.
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|And the sons of Ulam; Bedan. These were the sons of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh.
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|And his sister Hammoleketh bare Ishod, and Abiezer, and Mahalah.
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|And the sons of Shemida were, Ahian, and Shechem, and Likhi, and Aniam.
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|And the sons of Ephraim; Shuthelah, and Bered his son, and Tahath his son, and Eladah his son, and Tahath his son,
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|And Zabad his son, and Shuthelah his son, and Ezer, and Elead, whom the men of Gath that were born in that land slew, because they came down to take away their cattle.
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|And Ephraim their father mourned many days, and his brethren came to comfort him.
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|And when he went in to his wife, she conceived, and bare a son, and he called his name Beriah, because it went evil with his house.
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|(And his daughter was Sherah, who built Beth-horon the nether, and the upper, and Uzzen-sherah.)
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|And Rephah was his son, also Resheph, and Telah his son, and Tahan his son,
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|Laadan his son, Ammihud his son, Elishama his son,
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|Non his son, Jehoshua his son.
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|And their possessions and habitations were, Bethel and the towns thereof, and eastward Naaran, and westward Gezer, with the towns thereof; Shechem also and the towns thereof, unto Gaza and the towns thereof:
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|And by the borders of the children of Manasseh, Beth-shean and her towns, Taanach and her towns, Megiddo and her towns, Dor and her towns. In these dwelt the children of Joseph the son of Israel.
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|The sons of Asher; Imnah, and Isuah, and Ishuai, and Beriah, and Serah their sister.
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|And the sons of Beriah; Heber, and Malchiel, who is the father of Birzavith.
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|And Heber begat Japhlet, and Shomer, and Hotham, and Shua their sister.
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|And the sons of Japhlet; Pasach, and Bimhal, and Ashvath. These are the children of Japhlet.
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|And the sons of Shamer; Ahi, and Rohgah, Jehubbah, and Aram.
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|And the sons of his brother Helem; Zophah, and Imna, and Shelesh, and Amal.
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|The sons of Zophah; Suah, and Harnepher, and Shual, and Beri, and Imrah,
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|Bezer, and Hod, and Shamma and Shilshah, and Ithran, and Beera.
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|And the sons of Jether; Jephunneh, and Pispah, and Ara.
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|And the sons of Ulla; Arah, and Haniel, and Rezia.
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|All these were the children of Asher, heads of their father's house, choice and mighty men of valour, chief of the princes. And the number throughout the genealogy of them that were apt to the war and to battle was twenty and six thousand men.
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==Chapter 8==

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|Now Benjamin begat Bela his firstborn, Ashbel the second, and Aharah the third,
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|Nohah the fourth, and Rapha the fifth.
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|And the sons of Bela were, Addar, and Gera, and Abihud,
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|And Abishua, and Naaman, and Ahoah,
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|And Gera, and Shephuphan, and Huram.
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|And these are the sons of Ehud: these are the heads of the fathers of the inhabitants of Geba, and they removed them to Manahath:
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|And Naaman, and Ahiah, and Gera, he removed them, and begat Uzza, and Ahihud.
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|And Shaharaim begat children in the country of Moab, after he had sent them away; Hushim and Baara were his wives.
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|And he begat of Hodesh his wife, Jobab, and Zibia, and Mesha, and Malcham,
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|And Jeuz, and Shachia, and Mirma. These were his sons, heads of the fathers.
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|And of Hushim he begat Abitub, and Elpaal.
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|The sons of Elpaal; Eber, and Misham, and Shamed, who built Ono, and Lod, with the towns thereof:
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|Beriah also, and Shema, who were heads of the fathers of the inhabitants of Aijalon, who drove away the inhabitants of Gath:
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|And Ahio, Shashak, and Jeremoth,
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|And Zebadiah, and Arad, and Ader,
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|And Michael, and Ispah, and Joha, the sons of Beriah;
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|And Zebadiah, and Meshullam, and Hezeki, and Heber,
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|Ishmerai also, and Jezliah, and Jobab, the sons of Elpaal;
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|And Jakim, and Zichri, and Zabdi,
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|And Elienai, and Zilthai, and Eliel,
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|And Adaiah, and Beraiah, and Shimrath, the sons of Shimhi;
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|And Ishpan, and Heber, and Eliel,
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|And Abdon, and Zichri, and Hanan,
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|And Hananiah, and Elam, and Antothijah,
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|And Iphedeiah, and Penuel, the sons of Shashak;
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|And Shamsherai, and Shehariah, and Athaliah,
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|And Jaresiah, and Eliah, and Zichri, the sons of Jeroham.
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|These were heads of the fathers, by their generations, chief men. These dwelt in Jerusalem.
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|And at Gibeon dwelt the father of Gibeon; whose wife's name was Maachah:
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|And his firstborn son Abdon, and Zur, and Kish, and Baal, and Nadab,
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|And Gedor, and Ahio, and Zacher.
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|And Mikloth begat Shimeah. And these also dwelt with their brethren in Jerusalem, over against them.
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|And Ner begat Kish, and Kish begat Saul, and Saul begat Jonathan, and Malchi-shua, and Abinadab, and Esh-baal.
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|And the son of Jonathan was Merib-baal; and Merib-baal begat Micah.
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|And the sons of Micah were, Pithon, and Melech, and Tarea, and Ahaz.
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|And Ahaz begat Jehoadah; and Jehoadah begat Alemeth, and Azmaveth, and Zimri; and Zimri begat Moza,
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|And Moza begat Binea: Rapha was his son, Eleasah his son, Azel his son:
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|And Azel had six sons, whose names are these, Azrikam, Bocheru, and Ishmael, and Sheariah, and Obadiah, and Hanan. All these were the sons of Azel.
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|And the sons of Eshek his brother were, Ulam his firstborn, Jehush the second, and Eliphelet the third.
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|And the sons of Ulam were mighty men of valour, archers, and had many sons, and sons' sons, an hundred and fifty. All these are of the sons of Benjamin.
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==Chapter 9==

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|So all Israel were reckoned by genealogies; and, behold, they were written in the book of the kings of Israel and Judah, who were carried away to Babylon for their transgression.
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|2
|Now the first inhabitants that dwelt in their possessions in their cities were, the Israelites, the priests, Levites, and the Nethinims.
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|And in Jerusalem dwelt of the children of Judah, and of the children of Benjamin, and of the children of Ephraim, and Manasseh;
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|Uthai the son of Ammihud, the son of Omri, the son of Imri, the son of Bani, of the children of Pharez the son of Judah.
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|And of the Shilonites; Asaiah the firstborn, and his sons.
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|And of the sons of Zerah; Jeuel, and their brethren, six hundred and ninety.
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|7
|And of the sons of Benjamin; Sallu the son of Meshullam, the son of Hodaviah, the son of Hasenuah,
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|8
|And Ibneiah the son of Jeroham, and Elah the son of Uzzi, the son of Michri, and Meshullam the son of Shephathiah, the son of Reuel, the son of Ibnijah;
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|9
|And their brethren, according to their generations, nine hundred and fifty and six. All these men were chief of the fathers in the house of their fathers.
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|And of the priests; Jedaiah, and Jehoiarib, and Jachin,
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|And Azariah the son of Hilkiah, the son of Meshullam, the son of Zadok, the son of Meraioth, the son of Ahitub, the ruler of the house of God;
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|And Adaiah the son of Jeroham, the son of Pashur, the son of Malchijah, and Maasiai the son of Adiel, the son of Jahzerah, the son of Meshullam, the son of Meshillemith, the son of Immer;
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|And their brethren, heads of the house of their fathers, a thousand and seven hundred and threescore; very able men for the work of the service of the house of God.
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|And of the Levites; Shemaiah the son of Hasshub, the son of Azrikam, the son of Hashabiah, of the sons of Merari;
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|And Bakbakkar, Heresh, and Galal, and Mattaniah the son of Micah, the son of Zichri, the son of Asaph;
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|16
|And Obadiah the son of Shemaiah, the son of Galal, the son of Jeduthun, and Berechiah the son of Asa, the son of Elkanah, that dwelt in the villages of the Netophathites.
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|17
|And the porters were, Shallum, and Akkub, and Talmon, and Ahiman, and their brethren: Shallum was the chief;
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|Who hitherto waited in the king's gate eastward: they were porters in the companies of the children of Levi.
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|And Shallum the son of Kore, the son of Ebiasaph, the son of Korah, and his brethren, of the house of his father, the Korahites, were over the work of the service, keepers of the gates of the tabernacle: and their fathers, being over the host of the LORD, were keepers of the entry.
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|And Phinehas the son of Eleazar was the ruler over them in time past, and the Lord was with him.
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|And Zechariah the son of Meshelemiah was porter of the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
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|All these which were chosen to be porters in the gates were two hundred and twelve. These were reckoned by their genealogy in their villages, whom David and Samuel the seer did ordain in their set office.
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|So they and their children had the oversight of the gates of the house of the Lord, namely, the house of the tabernacle, by wards.
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|In four quarters were the porters, toward the east, west, north, and south.
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|And their brethren, which were in their villages, were to come after seven days from time to time with them.
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|For these Levites, the four chief porters, were in their set office, and were over the chambers and treasuries of the house of God.
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|And they lodged round about the house of God, because the charge was upon them, and the opening thereof every morning pertained to them.
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|And certain of them had the charge of the ministering vessels, that they should bring them in and out by tale.
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|Some of them also were appointed to oversee the vessels, and all the instruments of the sanctuary, and the fine flour, and the wine, and the oil, and the frankincense, and the spices.
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|And some of the sons of the priests made the ointment of the spices.
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|And Mattithiah, one of the Levites, who was the firstborn of Shallum the Korahite, had the set office over the things that were made in the pans.
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|And other of their brethren, of the sons of the Kohathites, were over the shewbread, to prepare it every sabbath.
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|33
|And these are the singers, chief of the fathers of the Levites, who remaining in the chambers were free: for they were employed in that work day and night.
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|These chief fathers of the Levites were chief throughout their generations; these dwelt at Jerusalem.
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|And in Gibeon dwelt the father of Gibeon, Jehiel, whose wife's name was Maachah:
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|And his firstborn son Abdon, then Zur, and Kish, and Baal, and Ner, and Nadab,
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|And Gedor, and Ahio, and Zechariah, and Mikloth.
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|And Mikloth begat Shimeam. And they also dwelt with their brethren at Jerusalem, over against their brethren.
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|And Ner begat Kish; and Kish begat Saul; and Saul begat Jonathan, and Malchi-shua, and Abinadab, and Esh-baal.
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|And the son of Jonathan was Merib-baal: and Merib-baal begat Micah.
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|And the sons of Micah were, Pithon, and Melech, and Tahrea, and Ahaz.
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|And Ahaz begat Jarah; and Jarah begat Alemeth, and Azmaveth, and Zimri; and Zimri begat Moza;
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|And Moza begat Binea; and Rephaiah his son, Eleasah his son, Azel his son.
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|And Azel had six sons, whose names are these, Azrikam, Bocheru, and Ishmael, and Sheariah, and Obadiah, and Hanan: these were the sons of Azel.
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==Chapter 10==

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|Now the Philistines fought against Israel; and the men of Israel fled from before the Philistines, and fell down slain in mount Gilboa.
|The philistines attacked Israel, and Israelites fled from them, and there were a lot of deaths in Mount Guilboa.
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|2
|And the Philistines followed hard after Saul, and after his sons; and the Philistines slew Jonathan, and Abinadab, and Malchi-shua, the sons of Saul.
|The philistines pursued Saul and his sons, and they murdered Jonathan, Abinadab and Malquisua.
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|3
|And the battle went sore against Saul, and the archers hit him, and he was wounded of the archers.
|Then they focused all their attacks on Saul, and the archers managed to hurt him with their arrows.
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|4
|Then said Saul to his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. So Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.
|Then he told to his squire: “Take out your sword and kill me with it, so this atheists don’t come and have fun with me.” But his squire failed to obey the order, because he lacked machismo. Then Saul took his sword and let himself fall over it.
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|5
|And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise on the sword, and died.
|And when his squire saw that Saul was dead, he also committed suicide.
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|6
|So Saul died, and his three sons, and all his house died together.
|That day Saul, his three sons and all his family died.
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|7
|And when all the men of Israel that were in the valley saw that they fled, and that Saul and his sons were dead, then they forsook their cities, and fled: and the Philistines came and dwelt in them.
|And when the Israelites that lived in the valley saw that the rest had fled, and that Saul and his sons were dead, they abandoned the cities and fled also. Then the philistines came and stayed to live in them.
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|8
|And it came to pass on the morrow, when the Philistines came to strip the slain, that they found Saul and his sons fallen in mount Gilboa.
|The next day, when the philistines came to loot the deaths, they found Saul and his sons lying in Mount Guilboa
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|9
|And when they had stripped him, they took his head, and his armour, and sent into the land of the Philistines round about, to carry tidings unto their idols, and to the people.
|Then they took off his clothes, took his head and his weapons, and sent messengers through all the philistine territory to give the news to their people and their idols.
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|10
|And they put his armour in the house of their gods, and fastened his head in the temple of Dagon.
|Then they put Saul weapons in the house of their idols, and hanged his head in the temple of Dagon.
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|11
|And when all Jabesh-gilead heard all that the Philistines had done to Saul,
|When all Jabesh-gilead found out what the philistines had done with Saul
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|12
|They arose, all the valiant men, and took away the body of Saul, and the bodies of his sons, and brought them to Jabesh, and buried their bones under the oak in Jabesh, and fasted seven days.
|All brave men agreed to take the bodies of Saul and his sons and took them to Jabesh. There they buried his remains under an oak. After that, they kept seven days of fast.
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|13
|So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of it;
|This is how Saul died due to his disobedience to God, he even consulted a fortune teller instead of consulting Him.
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|14
|And inquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.
|That is why God took his life and gave the kingdom to David, son of Jesse.
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AugustO: /* Clean up */ Rob, could you take a look here?

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==User:PetyrB has been blocked ==

User:PetyrB has been blocked. He was Markman. It will be much harder for him to give a repeat performance. And if he manages to give a repeat performance, it will be very short lived. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
:He blocked everyone except me. I feel left out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:23, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
::I wasn't blocked either. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:58, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I notice that he blocked you three times last year. Perhaps he's mellowed. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:09, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

Becoming an editor of good standing may become harder for someone like him, but I fear that it will be next to impossible for an honest newcomer! Without a strong motivation (for me, it is the my outrage about the disservice the CBP does to the Bible - and a bewilderment when reading about physics), you won't have the dedication to overcome the obstacles into which you are running here at Conservapedia: It took me quite an effort to find a way to appeal my first blocks!

It's at Catch-22 situation: If you make errors - as any newbie will do - you get blocked, and most probably just quit. Newcomers who don't make errors are most probably reincarnations who learned the ropes in a couple of earlier lives. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:41, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

== Short note ==

If you ever get banned again, let me know at [[User:Conservative/mail|HERE]] and I will unblock you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:57, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
:If he is blocked he will not be able to notify you. He will have been blocked surely? There really does need to be a better way to contact admins here in the case of parodists like markman blocking people imo. [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 14:27, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::He can create another user account solely for the purpose of contacting me at another IP address.
:::Ok, I will remember that in case markman comes back. He previously banned me several times as well [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 14:41, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::::Fine, just be patient. I am not sure how often the mailbox will be checked, but it will definitely be checked from time to time. And you can always contact other admins too. It makes sense to mitigate any damage caused by a rogue blocker whose blocking privileges are short lived. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:50, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::From the Conservapedia commandments page: "Administrators have discretion to act on matters not specifically mentioned here, such as vandalism and sockpuppets."[http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Commandments] Common sense discretion can be exercised by Conservapedia administrators. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:39, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

==''Has hope he will be more amiable should he return''==

User:Conservative, you blocked me arbitrarily for three days ("''needlessly being quarrelsome''"), and then you unblocked me, equally arbitrarily. Are you really thinking that this leads to ''amiability''? No, it stirred my curiosity. I reread our exchange at [[Talk:Generalized linear model]] and digged a little deeper into the matters discussed:

<div style="margin: 10px; padding: 10px; background-color: #CCC">
''content created by User:Conservative User:AugustO and subject to Conservapedia's copyright policy''
Why was this page deleted? From my personal files:
:AugustO, I thought you were merely whining. You said you wanted the article improved, yet were unwilling to do the work to improve it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:42, 23 July 2014 (EDT)
::How does your petty insult ("whining") justify the deletion of this talk page? Below I showed my willingness to improve the sorry state of this article by collaborating with you! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:46, 24 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I may write articles on [[Correlation and dependence]] and [[Spearman's rank correlation coefficient]] and [[Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient]] in the future. By the way, [[Vox Day]] wrote an interesting article entitled [http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2014/02/statistical-misleadings.html Statistical misleadings]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:51, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

*"I may write articles on [[Correlation and dependence]] and [[Spearman's rank correlation coefficient]] and [[Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient]] in the future." Given your history of announcements (Project 200+, Question Evolution brochure for high-school-pupils, etc.), I'll be very surprised when this happens!
*Regina Nuzzo's [http://www.nature.com/news/scientific-method-statistical-errors-1.14700 "Scientific method: Statistical errors"] is indeed an interesting article.
*Still no explanation for the deletion.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:34, 24 July 2014 (EDT)
</div>

While you still haven't answer my question about the deletion of the talk-page, I came to the conclusion that my mentioning of the ''Question evolution! book for middle school students'' triggered the deletion of the revisions and my block. You seem to be on an Orwellian campaign to erase this book from memory, a campaign which bodes ill for the trustworthiness of Conservapedia. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:42, 27 July 2014 (EDT)

This is too complicated for an outsider to follow. The important point is that AugustO, who earned the respect of many CP editors is back, and I welcome his contributions. I hope that we can all learn to live together in content-creation-harmony. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 19:38, 27 July 2014 (EDT)

:Harmony is important, but honesty, too - especially at a ''trustworthy encyclopedia''. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:45, 27 July 2014 (EDT)

== Project ==

Would you like to collaborate with other editors on a wiki project to help Conservapedia be a strong resource for a given topic.

The topic could be decided by the editors participating.

If you are interested, please go to: [http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal#A_project_for_active_editors_to_collaborate_on The collaborative project]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:02, 25 December 2014 (EST)

:I'm a little surprised by this "project". A wiki should ''per se'' be a collaborative project: I tend to jump on subjects which pique my interest (without an additional layer of administration.) Major obstacles for collaboration on Conservapedia's articles are for me:
:*Some sysops think they own certain articles, and will keep up their preferred version without engaging in a meaningful discussion on the talk-page (see e.g., [[E=mc²]]). Some sysops even prevent editing of their pet articles by locking them - I think that you, User:Conservative, are the main culprit when it comes to this tactic!
:*Collaboration prerequisites a certain degree of maturity and honesty. You, User:Conservative, don't have at least one of these characteristics: for example, the "we are many" - charade is just infantile. And how do I know that you won't create new dummy accounts to manipulate discussions? You haven't come clean about [[User:Historybuff]], therefore I don't know whether you will take such crooked steps again.
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:11, 28 December 2014 (EST)
::Are you claiming that merely one person is editing using the User: Conservative account? If so, considering your insistence that merely one person is editing using the account, what proof and evidence do you have for this claim? Your little tirade here is not impressive. Also, if you are such a big fan of collaboration, why can't the totality of "User: Conservative"'s edits be a team effort? If "User:Conservative" allows a conservative friend or friends to also use the account, what is that to you? None of the Conservapedia Commandments forbids the sharing of an account.

::Next, a very small percentage of my/our articles are locked in terms of editing them.

::Furthermore, the Conservapedia wiki article protect tab was created to be used! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:12, 31 December 2014 (EST)

:::It's just common sense:
:::*If you are many, your ''manual of style'' must be epic: your way of writing is quite unique. Furthermore, it is quite inconceivable that there is more than one editor who shows such a consistent inability to use the preview button (''it was created to be used'').
:::*In your interactions with your fellow sysops, you are treated as a single person.
:::*Your medical history: every time you excuse your actions with a lack of sleep, etc., it is the story of a single person.
:::Hey, it is the internet: You could be a group of medically enhanced Rottweilers, and until your account is closed by your local dog-catcher, we cannot be sure... But for me, you failed the [[Turing test]] on multi-personality.
:::All of the above is not very important: what counts is that you (and your friends/sysops) know how many you are. You know whether you wish to try to deceive your fellow editors.
:::It is the same as with your dummy account of [[User:Historybuff]]: you know whether you acted immorally. For me, it just seems so - and in the internet, appearance is quite important, as we are not able to prove much.
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:40, 31 December 2014 (EST)
AugustO, as far as the inconceivability of User: Conservative being multiple editors, your lack of imagination and [http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html germanic stubbornness] is not a serious objection.

Second, how would you know if one person or persons using the User: Conservative was using the preview button? Have you done an analysis of the edits concerning this matter? How would you know if persons using the User: Conservative do not use the preview account? How would you know the reason or reasons why "User: Conservativedom" sometimes does not use the preview button?

"User: Conservative" has edited during the day and night. And the illness affecting one of the editors of the User: Conservative account has largely been conquered. For example, a full eight hours of sleep occurred today for the person affected.

Do you believe that one person largely wrote the [[homosexuality]] and the [[Atheist actions against homosexuals]] article (the title of the article was originally Atheist persecution against homosexuals" if memory serves, but one editor within "User: Conservativedom" objected to this title) and that one person wrote both articles. The article [[Atheist actions against homosexuals]] was a shock to those obsessed with the User: Conservative account and the footnoting style is different than the [[homosexuality]] article as well. What are your thoughts on this matter?

Have you read C.S. Lewis's article entitled [http://textualcriticism.scienceontheweb.net/SUPLEM/CSLewis.html Modern Theology and Biblical Criticism]? It should give you pause on psychologically analyzing a writer/writers and his/her/their intentions, etc. etc.

Why don't you ask User: Karajou if User: Conservative is merely one editor? We can guarantee you that User: Karajou will not claim that User: Conservative is merely one editor. Why? Because User: Karajou was informed that more than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account. And User: Karajou has checkuser and could certainly verify this matter.

In addition, we know you were successfully rebuffed about the "historybuff" matter and that you most certainly do not have the moral high ground. You did not prove the identity/identities of the mysterious historybuff. And you acknowledged (after you shown to be acting in an unbecoming manner) that no Conservapedia rule was broken if a person using the historybuff account was an Conservapedia admin (Of course, the same would apply if persons using the account were admins) so you failed again!

Furthermore, has the User: Conservative account edited the [[Sun Tzu]] article? If so, then at least one editor with User: Conservativedom understands the strategy/tactic of stealth and keeping the opposition guessing (User: Conservativedom does not agree with all of Sun Tzu's actions/writings by the way). And we know that the left/liberals such as Alinsky use the tactic of attacking individuals before attacking institutions/groups (Rule #12 of [http://www.bestofbeck.com/wp/activism/saul-alinskys-12-rules-for-radicals Alinsky's rules for radicals]). But, User: Conservative is more than one editor! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:04, 31 December 2014 (EST)
:By the way, German evolutionists did not think that American creationists would land on the beaches of Normandy. But that is exactly what happened!!! (And [[Dwight D. Eisenhower|Dwight D. Eisenhower]] appears to have been a creationist [http://www.icr.org/article/presidential-support-for-creationism/]).

::''"We can guarantee you that User: Karajou will not claim that User: Conservative is merely one editor. Why? Because User: Karajou was informed that more than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account."''
::When did this happen? In the first months of your membership? I doubt it, as it seems unlikely that Andy would bestow such extensive rights as "checkuser" and "administrator" on a communal account.
::Even when I started editing in 2011, you hadn't come out as a multitude, that happened during the last one or two years. So, assuming that there is more than one user at your account, he/she/them were invited to do so somewhat after 2011. Am I right?
::This is quite troubling: your weren't even able to lobby for upload-rights for [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] until now, but you gave some person access to "checkuser", "administrator" and "oversight" rights! Either this person never had an account here at Conservapedia, or it had an account before, but wasn't seen worthy to get these rights which you decided to share.
::I would call this ''nepotism'', and it is impossible to square it with Conservapedia's claim of being a ''meritocracy'':
::::'''''Conservapedia is a meritocracy. Administrators are selected as needed from the best of the best contributors, there is no popularity contest to determine promotion, and nominations not accepted. By your own work shall you be known. '''''
::But that is just a [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|guideline]] - and you are not so awfully keen of them, like:
::::'''''Conservapedia does not allow "sockpuppet" accounts or unaccountable anonymous proxy use. '''''
::''In addition, we know you were successfully rebuffed about the "historybuff" matter and that you most certainly do not have the moral high ground. You did not prove the identity/identities of the mysterious historybuff. And you acknowledged (after you shown to be acting in an unbecoming manner) that no Conservapedia rule was broken if a person using the historybuff account was an Conservapedia admin (Of course, the same would apply if persons using the account were admins) so you failed again! ''
::You were [[User:Historybuff]]. The little incident of your intermingled comments at the main talk page made this obvious. [[User:Karajou]] could prove it. Thereby '''you broke a rule (or do you claim that it is just a ''guideline'' and doesn't apply to you?)'''
::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:39, 2 January 2015 (EST)
:::Why are you assuming that User: Conservative may be merely two persons? Why not more?

:::The User: Conservative account will continue to be shrouded in mystery to you - a black box of conservatism!

:::As far as the meritocracy issue, the User: Conservative account produces articles that are useful and of interest to the public, well-researched, accurate and scrupulously footnoted. The articles are some of the most popular articles at Conservapedia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:27, 2 January 2015 (EST)

::::*The problems which I mentioned above just increase if there are more than two editors
::::*So, you decided what merits being "administrator" or having "checkuser" rights? Isn't that the kind of ''nomination'' which is explicitly frowned upon in the guidelines?
::::*How many socks are there for your account? I repeat, running User:Historybuff was against Conservapedia's guidelines, and the smokescreen which you put up here won't change this fact.
::::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:19, 2 January 2015 (EST)
高深莫測 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:29, 2 January 2015 (EST)
:There is nothing ''inscrutable'' (?) about it. You are just unwilling to take responsibility for your actions. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 01:53, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::The User: Conservative account was given admin status before the guidelines page was created. The puts a spanner in your germanic stubbornness, your germanic argumentativeness and your germanic obsession with tradition/rules, Herr O![http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html] Secondly, Conservapedia's policies/rules were not broken. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:10, 3 January 2015 (EST)

:::You created your sock [[User:Historybuff]] on Aug 2, 2014, violating the guideline which is in place since years:
::::'''''Conservapedia does not allow "sockpuppet" accounts or unaccountable anonymous proxy use. '''''
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:54, 3 January 2015 (EST)
First socks, then shoes. Have you ever examined Conservapedia's logo? In America, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. You never demonstrated that an editor (or editors) of the User: Conservative account edited using the historybuff account.

Second, the point is moot as the former Admin Rob Smith made an appellation to a guideline which affects matters as can be seen [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Sockpuppet&diff=892529&oldid=890286 HERE]. And Admin Joaquin Martinez has edited Conservapedia using various accounts and Aschlafly has never once expressed displeasure about this matter. So your quest to prevail in this matter is futile. It is quite impossible that a guideline was broken in this matter!

Feel free to engage in [[last wordism]] at juncture. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:09, 3 January 2015 (EST)

:*Do you deny that [[User:Historybuff]] was your sock?
:*Joaquín Martínez doesn't try to hide his identity by using various accounts.
:*I stick to the commandments and guidelines, thank you.
:Feel free to run away. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:15, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::AugustO, you remind me of the person who became upset with me when I performed the en passant move in a chess game and captured his pawn. He was not familiar with the en passant rule and claimed a rule was being broken by me. Prove your allegation and ignorance of Conservapedia's rules is no excuse. Checkmate, Herr O!!! Once again, you battled against the User: Conservative account and was easily and effortlessly defeated! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:32, 3 January 2015 (EST)
:::At least you admit that [[User:Historybuff]] was your pawn. Using it was just not a ''clever move'', but an act of deceit. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:37, 3 January 2015 (EST)
No admission was made. Prove your allegation and know the rules before you claim a rule was broken! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:41, 3 January 2015 (EST)

== Happy New Year ==

The editors of the User: Conservative account wish you a happy new year. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:06, 2 January 2015 (EST)
==Unblock==
Dear AugustO,
Thank you for unblocking me. At the same time, TAR also blocked my IP address. If you have access to the block log, could you please unblock that IP as well? Many thanks. Cheers, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 15:59, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 17:43, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:: "Cheers?" I lived and worked in England and France for 4 years. I very rarely hear Americans say "Cheers". In my limited experience, usually Brits and Australians say it. You Wschact have said it a lot here on CP. Of course, nothing at all wrong with having British or Australian editors here -- on the contrary, the diversity is wonderful. However, you perhaps being from one of those two rather liberal [[gun free zone]] countries would explain your frequent anti-American [[liberal bias]] in your frequent deletions of strong conservative American and especially firearms/Second Amendment related materials. Now it makes more sense. When I lived over there I frequently heard [[NRA]] Second Amendment bashing. I guess you and other self-described, so-called "moderate" ([[RINO]] or actual [[liberal]]) [[gun control|anti-self defense]] CP editors perhaps have never seen this flyer. Please examine this [[World War II]] flyer: https://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/b4/c5/b4c52576c5d83bde287c5f26a41b9ba5.jpg?itok=wQk-jVj6
::http://www.examiner.com/article/would-you-send-a-gun-to-defend-a-british-home

::Perhaps [[User:Conservative]], Karajou or JPatt, when you get a chance would please upload this picture to CP under the file name "Send a gun to defend a British home.jpg"? I would like to use it in both an article and an Pro Second Amendment essay such as [[Essay:France Pays Dearly - Liberal Gun Control Laws and Gun Free Zones that Welcome Terrorists]]. Some of my essays ([[Conservapedia:Essays#Firearms_and_the_Second_Amendment]]) will be good conservative American Patriot "[[Essay:Sheepdogs_for_the_sheeple|sheepdog]]" responses to AugustO and Wshacts deletion of Second Amendment, Tenth Amendment States' rights and other firearms related conservative content. Thanks.
::[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 09:38, 13 January 2015 (EST)

:::If you wish to talk with [[User:Wschact]] about your time in England, perhaps you should unblock him... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:31, 13 January 2015 (EST)

== On cats and lives ==

[[User:Conservative]], please stand by your threats:
A cat only has so many lives. I think you are on your 8th. But in all of the excitement lately, maybe its your 9th. Do you fell lucky? Don't count on me bailing you out if you go against Karajou and TheAmericanRedoubt. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:10, 13 January 2015 (EST)
Well, [[User:Conservative]], I don't intend to "go against Karajou and TheAmericanRedoubt". But if anything happens to my current live, I just hope that you will do the right thing - one can dream. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:30, 13 January 2015 (EST)
:Glad to hear. Good faith editors should not be pestered. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:20, 14 January 2015 (EST)
::I promise to do the right thing. If you are blocked unfairly, I will unblock you.

::Second, have you seen [http://www.iwebtool.com/alexa_traffic_rank?domain=creation.com&data=p&range=2y THIS]? It looks like 2015 could easily be the WORST year in the history of Darwinism! 2014 was a TERRIBLE year for evolutionism.

::Who knows what surprises [[Creation Ministries International]] and the [[Discovery Institute]] will unleash on Darwinism in 2015?!!!![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:17, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:::''"I promise to do the right thing. If you are blocked unfairly, I will unblock you."'' I couldn't ask for more. Unfortunately, our view about unfair blocks differ: I think that my last block - two days for reinserting a section to [[User talk:Aschlafly]] (because ''A talk page is a user's castle!'') - was unfair, seen that deleting [[User talk:SamHB]] against the explicit wishes of the user stayed unsanctioned: see [[User_talk:Aschlafly#Deuteronomy_25:13-15]] --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:05, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::::You carp about others breaking rule or supposedly breaking rules. You are not above the rules! As a German, one would think you would thank me for my germanic insistence that you obey the rules also! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:18, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:::::I'm sure that I'll be admonished every time I break a rule or violate a guideline of this site! What about you? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:22, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::::::I don't detect a thankfulness for my correction. You still have a rebellious spirit! :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:36, 15 January 2015 (EST)

===In 19 Months AugustO submits 2 New 1 Paragraph Articles, 13 New Talk Pages; in 2 weeks 83 Related to TheAmericanRedoubt===
Since the 22nd of May 2013 ([[Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=AugustO]]) Mr. O has written 2 new 1 paragraph long articles: [[Sleswick-Holsatia]] and [[Ceslas Spicq]]. Also 1 new redirect page "article" ([[Amu]]). He has created 13 new Talk Page articles. 83 of his edits in only 2 weeks have been of my work or related to my work.
Perhaps he might want to please consider paying more attention to this [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#90.2F10_Rule]] instead of to every detail of my numerous new article and essay contributions.
The gentleman "doth protest too much, methinks". :-)
[[Patience]] is a [[virtue]] Mr. O seem to be still attempting to master.
[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 18:08, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:Yes, I'm annoyed, too, by the effort it takes to get you to make the slightest corrections, like: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor&curid=2830&diff=1132468&oldid=1132467 the category at Attack on Pearl Harbor]. You are still producing a plethora of red links - though you have promised otherwise - and I won't ignore this. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:19, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:: I just now gave temporary 1 day block since he is ignoring numerous advice from Admin [[User:Conservative]] and continues to violate the 90/10 rule. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 18:25, 15 January 2015 (EST)

----
Well, [[User:Conservative]], time to think what the right thing to do is... Will you support this abuse of the 90/10 rule? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:34, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:I receive a report that you are blocking the good faith efforts of someone who wants to create content.

:I think you are on your way to having your blocking rights removed. If that happens, a long block against you could last quite a long time. Due to my reduced activity level, I might not even notice if you are blocked for some time even if I was going to undo the block.

:I have some projects I am tackling plus I expect to be tacking two more soon so I need to catch up on things. I had an accident happen to me recently and was temporarily injured which set me behind on things. But I recovered recently so I am moving forward. So I told the editor that I cannot referee this one and to refer the matter to Karajou. Try not to pick any unnecessary fights with other editors. That is my advice. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:15, 15 January 2015 (EST)

::So, you would always do the right thing, if not all members of your collective were to busy... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:23, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::(EC) Sorry to hear about your accident, I wish you a speedy recovery! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:25, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:::Thanks on wishes for a recovery.

:::Second, User: ConservativeS (plural) fought an ideological [http://www.thefreedictionary.com/delaying+action delaying action] as far as evangelical/militant atheism caused by the fad of [[New Atheism]], but as you can see [http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=atheist%2C%20atheism%2C%20New%20atheism%2C%20richard%20dawkins&cmpt=q&tz= HERE] and the articles [[global atheism|decline of global atheism]] and [[atheist movement|decline of the atheist movement]], the cavalry of Christian apologists, atheists shooting themselves in the foot and circumstances has arrived!!!

:::To a large degree, our work is done. Like the proverbial and mysterious, [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068699/ high plains drifter/gunslinger], we will be less active and largely ride off into the sunset. :) It's time to tackle new challenges. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:09, 15 January 2015 (EST)

@AugustO: I would recommend that you accept what Conservapedia has become, and stop trying to change that. You are in great danger. User TAR, who doesn't seem to be well-versed in how this place operates, has been making extremely thinly-veiled threats against you, with the reference to 8 lives or whatever. A phrase that he seems to have picked up from Cons. Stay away. That's what I'm doing.

@Cons: (1) You might want to remind TAR that a few days ago he made an edit with the word "insidious" in the comment, referring to what he was reverting. You might want to remind him that people have gotten into a lot of trouble for using inflammatory words in edit comments. Like "hideous", if I recall correctly. (2) Perhaps you ought to be careful about saying that your work is done and that you might "ride off into the sunset" and "tackle new challenges". Someone might come along and delete your user and talk pages :-) :-) :-).

@both of you: I was delighted to see you two having a conversation on my talk page recently, and I have joined in the conversation. Feel free to come and visit me. I can't really go "outside" when my home state is described as treasonous, so I have to stay at home. I get lonely at times.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:21, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:I'm aware of the - rather unveiled - threads, both by [[User:Conservative]] and [[User:TheAmericanRecoubt]]. Conservapedia stands at a croosroad at this moment, and for me, it is just irresponsible not to show the pitfalls of the way which is likely to be chosen.... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:34, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::AugustO, if you get blocked by someone, don't count on me to look into the matter or to notice. I am less active on the wiki now and plan on being less active as well.

::In addition, lately you have become so petty and contentious, I cannot say it would trouble me if you no longer edited the wiki. No hard feelings, but that's just the way it is. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:26, 16 January 2015 (EST)

== FFAF is not a sock account ==

FFAF is not a sock account. Didn't the Facebook category tag for [[Freedom from Atheism Foundation]] which I removed tell you that it was not a sock? I don't think Aschalfly account will be creating a Facebook category tag anytime soon. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:23, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:*How did [[User:Karajou]] deduce that it is in fact a sock-account? He has "checkuser"-rights, hasn't he?
:*You pride yourself with stealth and subterfuge, therefore I cannot take the things you say at face value. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:57, 14 January 2015 (EST)
::Stealth is not telling untruths. A stealth fighter pilot is not lying to the radar operators of an opposing country. :)

::Karajou probably blocked the person because there was overlap with another person using the same IP for some reason.

::Third, people often think reciprocity is deserved when they do something for others. The Freedom from Atheism Foundation (FFAF) has plugged several CP atheism articles. So it is natural that someone would create an article on their foundation at CP. Given that CP covers the atheism topic with some depth, a volunteer/fan of theirs adding an article on FFAF is not unreasonable. Social media plays a significant role in social movements and they have a notable and growing social media presence. They are also financially backed by a large foundation I have been told. Furthermore, they are taking steps to grow into a much larger organization. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:31, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:::August0 why do you say that I am a 'sock' of Conservative ? I don't even know that that means ? [[User:FFAF|FFAF]] 09:37, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::::A sock is a sockpuppet. A sockpuppet is a duplicate user account. Don't worry about it. I am an admin and I straightened out the misunderstanding. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:33, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:::::This is indeed troubling. If FFAF is unduly blocked, Conservative may not notice due to time/commitments and having largely ridden off into the sunset like the Lone/Many Ranger(s). Then who will revert FFAF's unfair block? Perhaps one of the other admins should keep a particular eye out for FFAF being harassed or blocked. Incidentally, I have changed a section heading in [[Essay:Worst Liberal Movies]]. Somebody please check it; I believe it is an improvement as mentioned in [[Talk:Essay:Worst Liberal Movies]]. :) [[User:ConsMovies|ConsMovies]] 09:56, 20 January 2015 (EST)

== My Approach to the Categorization Problem ==

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'''''content created by User:Conservative and User:AugustO - subject to Conservapedia's copyright policy'''''

Here is what I'll do when I encounter nonsensical categories:
*I will delete them - once.
*I will explain the deletion on the talk-page.
If the categories are reintroduced, so be it.

In this case, I deleted [[:Category : Science Fiction]] (already covered by [[:Category:Science Fiction Authors]]), [[:Category : Dystopian Fiction]] (covered by [[:Category : Dystopian Fiction Authors]], and [[:Category : Libertarianism]] (covered by [[:Category : Libertarian Authors]]). --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:41, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:Enjoy your preoccupation with category tags and your blocking powers while you can. Because they are both coming to an end! You were warned Category Tag Nazi! Your blitzkreig of category tag complaints will soon be kaput! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:00, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::[[User:Conservative]], you are insulting me. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:04, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:::You are being inhospitable to new editors and needlessly contentious. I have had it. I asked the owner of the website to strip you of your blocking powers. I believe Karajou agrees with me on this matter. I am not going to discuss this matter with you anymore because it is obvious that I am talking to a brick wall. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:32, 16 January 2015 (EST)

It will be very ironic to be punished for something which should be so uncontroversial as the first rule of categorization: ''nothing should be [in]* a category and [at the same time in]* one of its (direct) super/sub-categories.'' Andy often emphasizes the importance of logic for this site, so it is very surprising that he'll enforce (as you, [[User:Conservative]] imply) illogical categorization!

It is really not rocket-science: R. Heinlein was an author who wrote science-fiction - thereby he belongs into [[:category:Science Fiction Authors]]. He doesn't belong into [[:category:Science Fiction]], as any reader who looks at [[:category:Science Fiction]] will be surprised that he obviously doesn't fit in a subcategory....

OTOH [[:category:Best Selling Authors]] should not be a sub-category of [[:category:Science Fiction Authors]] (as it is now), as it includes authors like Glenn Beck and Agatha Christie... [[:category:Best Selling Authors]] is also at the moment a sub-category of [[:category:Liberal Authors]], implying that all best sellers are written by liberals...

New editors should understand logic, too! So, please, show a little bit more logic, and a little less aggression. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:34, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:Don't think listing someone as an "African" and a "African author" or a "conservative" and "conservative author" is the end of the world. This is especially true for small categories. I abridged the manual of style. Wsacht's endless fussing which sometimes was petty was tiresome. So is yours. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:54, 16 January 2015 (EST)</div>
(*: edited for clarification)

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:42, 17 January 2015 (EST)
== Biblical creationism will be strong in 2015 ==

See: [[Essay: Biblical creationism will be strong in 2015]].

Stronger, higher, faster! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:46, 17 January 2015 (EST)

:Hey, another prediction! Go, Team Conservative! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:43, 18 January 2015 (EST)

== Jawohl? ==

Some German character traits mentioned by the the Schnitzel Republic: Stubbornness, efficiency/economical and constructive creativeness.[http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html]

[[Essay: What if I fail?]]

There is a little bit of German in every great champion? Jawohl? :)

You will do your category tags right. We must have order! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:34, 20 January 2015 (EST)

:One of the most childish comments I've read on Conservapeida. Shouldn't an administrator of Conservapedia, someone who represents this site, stand above mocking ordinary editors? Not everything can be excused by your relative youth: you are a member of this site for nearly eight years - so, even if you have started as a high-school pupil, you should have finished college by now. Start to act the part!

:I haven't read your essay yet: is it about failed predictions? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:11, 20 January 2015 (EST)
::What failed predictions? Could you be more specific? We both know that you cannot! Define the word "soon" taking into account Christian patience and persistence and not worldly impatience! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:31, 20 January 2015 (EST)
:::You are sounding like Bill Clinton: "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is". --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:36, 20 January 2015 (EST)

:::From the [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soon Merriam Webster]:

:::{|
|<div style="margin: 10px; padding: 10px; background-color: lightgreen">
#''obsolete'': at once : immediately
#without undue time lapse : before long [soon after sunrise]
#in a prompt manner : speedily [as soon as possible] [the sooner the better] [no sooner said than done]
#''archaic'' : before the usual time
#''in agreement with one's choice or preference'': willingly [I'd just as soon walk as drive]
</div>
|}
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:47, 20 January 2015 (EST)
Feel free to demonstrate there has been a undue time lapse. Something you have never done! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:57, 20 January 2015 (EST)

=== The ''Question evolution! campaign booklet'' Saga ===

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|50 page Question Evolution! booklet. Question Evolution! Campaign runaway train is going to be released
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120215050509/http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page Feb 15, 2012]
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|A Question evolution! campaign group now has 3 writers and at least 3 Question Evolution! booklets/books will be coming out. Some of the booklets/books will be designed for young people.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120501184006/http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page May 1, 2012]
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|A 15 questions for evolutionists booklet and book for middle school students will soon be coming out and they are going to be heavily promoted and distributed.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120619134057/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jun 19,2012]
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|SS Evolution! passengers get on your life jackets! A barrage of 100+ page Question evolution! campaign booklet torpedoes is headed your way!
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120919002949/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Sep 19, 2012]
|-
|The Question evolution! book for middle school students, edited by a Christian apologist, gains in popularity.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20130711205854/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jul 11, 2013]
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|Canadian teacher at a Christian school will be serving as a science editor of the Question evolution! campaign book for middle school students.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20130718204401/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jul 18, 2013]
|}

'''Three years ago''': ''the booklet is going to be released'', '''two and a half year ago''': ''it will soon be coming out'', '''two years ago''': ''it is headed your way!'', '''one and a half year ago''': ''it gains in popularity''. Yeah, that's an "''undue time lapse''", as nothing has happened!

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:08, 20 January 2015 (EST)
: A few things:

:First an excerpt from some writer: "It’s taken almost five more years of hard work, and plenty of rejection, to get to the point where I’m happy to let something mellow in a drawer for a while before sending it out, or where I can stand the (admittedly) long wait times it takes to hear back from literary journals."[http://goinswriter.com/patience/] Another excerpt from a writer: "My CP [critique partner] wrote and worked and studied for TEN YEARS before getting published."[http://www.charissaweaks.com/2013/06/a-writers-most-important-lesson-patience.html] Good writing takes time. Next time you feel yourself being impatient about various announcements of events happening soon, see it as an exercise in patience. It would also be helpful, if you had something to pass the time. Why don't you work on providing satisfactory answers to the [http://creation.com/15-questions 15 questions for evolutions]. That is something you never did!

:We have been sparring about creation/evolution and wiki matters for awhile. I thought my recent post which featured a post from blog which focuses on German culture/Germany was funny and so did my friend who is of German descent. You did not find it humorous. Given your recent bout of ill humor and my recent schedule demands, I think it is best if I largely take a break from sparring with you on talk pages. No hard feelings on my part. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:43, 20 January 2015 (EST)

First, let me say what a pleasure it is to visit once agin with my favorite two people, this time in August's house. The view from your front window is specactular, and your music collection is most impressive. (I'd like to meet in Cons's house next time, but he keeps it locked. He has a front entryway, but he keeps burning it down.)

Now Cons, I'd like to talk to you about offensive national stereotypes. This is serious, and I'd like you to pay attention. Really. I apologize if this comes across as mindless "political correctness", but I'm serious.

I spent a fair amount of time this morning reading a number of web pages and other sources about what "wohl" and "Ja wohl" really mean. It's a very complicated and nuanced word. Google translate says "well", in the health sense, along with "probably", "perhaps", "possibly", etc. The Harper-Collins ''German Concise Dictionary'' (it's anything but concise!) lists it as a "Schlüsselwort" (key word, important word) and gives many meanings, including "comfortable" and "at ease", along with a great number of idioms, such as "er weiß das sehr wohl" -- "he knows that perfectly well". (But they've gotten rid of the "ß", haven't they?) The combination "Ja wohl" means "yes emphatically" or "yes certainly". As a response to a request it begins to take on the meaning that you seem to ascribe to it, from watching ''Hogan's Heros'' and various other silly World War II things: "Yes, sir!" or "I'll do it right away!"

There are web pages that go into detail about its "Yes, sir!" meaning in the military, and the fact that many Americans associate that with the Nazi era.

I've read the "Schnitzelrepublic" web page. It was well-written, light-hearted, and affectionate. But I don't think you have used the term in a light-hearted way with AugustO. Please remember that people can easily be offended by thoughtless national stereotypes, especially when those stereotypes are informed by a ''Hogan's Heros'' mentality. And please remember that the Nazi era was not a pleasant time, for Germany or anyone else, and try to make more erudite (love that word!) and well-thought-out comments.

That said, I'm sure AugustO is very efficient. :-)

Now you two can go back to fighting over what "soon" means, especially in the context of saying just when a booklet will be coming out. Three years is a long time to wait, but I'm sure it will be worth the wait. Idea: Cons, why don't you promise not to block either of us until the booklet comes out?

One more thing: August: can you send me a usable email address? I will not divulge it to anyone else without your permission. My email is at the top of my user page.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:52, 21 January 2015 (EST)
::::''Hi - A[...] O[...] --EOM'' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:08, 21 January 2015 (EST)
::I think we're all glad to hear that the RMS ''Creationist'' is plowing full-steam ahead into the iceberg of Darwinism.--[[User:DonnyC|DonnyC]] 22:44, 20 January 2015 (EST)
:::That literally made me laugh out loud, something which the internet rarely accomplishes. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:52, 21 January 2015 (EST)

'''@User:Conservative:''' Interesting quotes. I'm missing the part where they are telling you ''oh, you must announce your book first, and then start to write it!'' BTW: I don't see your announcements as ''exercises in patience'', I see them as ''misleading advertising''. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:16, 21 January 2015 (EST)

== Speaking of predictions ==

Looking at Recent Changes this morning, I saw that JoeyJ has deleted a very interesting talk page. (The corresponding article page had been deleted by AddisonDM a few years earlier.)

The pages are
:*[[User:Conservative/Gentlemen-the-anti-evolution-D-Days-are-going-to-be-happening-the-first-quarter-of-the-calendar-year-of-2009]]
:*[[User_talk:Conservative/Gentlemen-the-anti-evolution-D-Days-are-going-to-be-happening-the-first-quarter-of-the-calendar-year-of-2009]]
:The talk page had contained this question from EddyJ:
:*"How did the D Days of the first quarter of the calendar year of 2009 work out? Almost five years later, is evolution still around?"

This brings up the question: Just how ''did'' those D-Days turn out? Is evolution still around 6 years later?

And, speaking of predictions, a question was raised a few months back (too lazy too look it up; I'm sure you know what I'm talking about) along the lines of "Evolutionists: Beware the Ides of March". Well, that date is coming up real soon now. Can the author tell me just what I'm supposed to be afraid of?

This is not the first year that dire predictions have been made for the Ides of March. In none of the past cases am I aware that the predicted doom came to pass. Can someone tell me what I missed? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 13:33, 22 February 2015 (EST)

== User talk:OGSMEDIA ==

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''content created by User:Wschact, User:AugustO and subject to Conservapedia's copyright policy''

{{welcome|OGSMEDIA}}--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:10, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Unfortunately, OGS Media sounds like the advertising department of "Offgrid Survival"... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:10, 16 January 2015 (EST)
: Could you please explain your relationship to Off Grid Survival Media? Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 14:31, 20 January 2015 (EST)</div>

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:18, 20 January 2015 (EST)

== @User:Conservative: NOTE to Fellow Editors and Admins ==

(As usual [[User talk:Conservative]] is protected, otherwise I'd bring up this topic over there)

User:Conservative, you have deleted [[Talk:Gardening]] and [[Talk:Yoga]], presumably to get rid of [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]]'s announcement:
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|'''NOTE to Fellow Editors and Admins:''' Please note that I am a trained (both in Asia and the USA) and certified professional practitioner / subject matter expert in the field of Complementary medicine / [[Alternative medicine]], particularly [[Traditional Chinese medicine]]-[[Acupuncture]], [[Ayurvedic medicine]] and [[nutrition]] for the last 19 years.

'''I am a also a life-long [[gardener]] who is certified in [[Permaculture]] [[gardening]] (completed a [[Permaculture design course]] ([[PDC]])'''

Through the month of December 2014 and January 2015, I am working many hours per week on editing Conservapedia. For specifically on a collapsible "See Also" navigation template for the diverse topics of the [[Alternative medicine]], [[First aid]], [[Permaculture]] [[gardening]], [[Firearms]], [[:Category:Survivalism|Emergency preparedness]] and [[Amateur radio]] articles I am also working on and articles on related topics.

I will also be working on the Categories for all of these Alternative medicine topics and related [[Healthcare]], [[Cooking]] and Nutrition categories and items such as [[spices]] (which are related to [[health]] and nutrition)

So, I please request your patience in considering not deleting articles or content I have submitted in these subject areas without first discussing it on the Talk Page and letting me know on my User Page, if you would be so kind.

Also, please note that I plan to rapidly submit articles for the "red links". Thank you for your patience.
|}

Do you intend to get rid of it on pages like the following, too?

*[[Talk:Permaculture design course]]
*[[Talk:First aid]]
*[[Talk:Hugelkultur]]

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:07, 3 February 2015 (EST)
:You can delete the alternative medicine entries. That was agreed on.

:Keep the material related to conservatism, survivalism, amateur radio, preparedness, guns, cooking, first aid, permaculture, etc.

:Much of the talk page additions by TAR were related to Wsacht hounding. They were "preemptive strikes/justifications/defenses". That is why I deleted those TAR article talk pages. The Wasacht hounding issue appears to be solved. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:21, 3 February 2015 (EST)
::We seem to have quite different ideas of "hounding". Well, I leave it for now... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:44, 3 February 2015 (EST)
:::I got [[User:JoeyJ]] page deletion rights. Please ask him to delete any unnecessary talk pages that were created during the TAR/Wsacht feud. You can put the deletion tags on them and JoeyJ can delete them.

:::I am guessing TAR will be back within 1-14 days based on my recent communication with him. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:19, 3 February 2015 (EST)

::::Thanks, but it is a tedious task, and I think, I've done my share. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:35, 3 February 2015 (EST)

== Evolutionary belief in Germany: Its future in Germany is kaput! And you still can't satisfactorily answer the 15 questions for evolutionists ==

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I just read this:

Reporter David Wroe adds, “Creationism—the belief that Genesis and other books of the Bible explain life on Earth—is gaining strength in Germany.” He cites a recent University of Dortmund survey that showed that around a fifth of future teachers and a similar proportion of those who had studied basic biology doubted evolution, along with one in eleven who were studying for a higher degree in biology. Meanwhile, private Christian schools are growing more popular, half of which are represented by the creation-promoting Association of Evangelical Schools. Even evolutionist Dittmar Graf says he is “really sure that the percentage of Germans who doubt evolution is going up and up.” Source: [https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/creation-in-germany/ Creationism in Germany, 2009]

On March 17, 2014, the news website ''Deutsche Well'' reported that evangelical Christianity has doubled in [[Germany]] in the last 10 years.[http://www.dw.de/ghanaian-pastor-seeks-to-re-christianize-germany/a-17501259]

And you still cannot satisfactorily answer the [https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/creation-in-germany/ 15 questions] for evolutionists! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:48, 12 February 2015 (EST)</div>

Thank you for the interesting links - no need to erase them! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:59, 16 February 2015 (EST)

:Oh Cons! Did you [[memory hole]] your edit of 04:48, 12 February? Shame on you! Bad, naughty Cons! You know better than to do that. For your penance, I'd like you to make 77 edits to the "Atheism vs. Islam" article, within the space of 10 hours. Oh, I see you already did that. Good. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:25, 17 February 2015 (EST)

== Reading the Bible in Koine Greek ==

My friend is going to learn Koine Greek in order to be able to read the New Testament in its original language. Are you able to do that now fluently?

Do you own an English version of a Bible? If so, what English version do you like? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:30, 18 February 2015 (EST)

:User:Conservative, a short time ago, you wrote that you do not talk about your personal affairs. So, why should I? Unless, we make it a little ''quid pro quo'':
:*How is your Greek?
:*Which version of the Bible do you own? What English version of the Bible do you like?
:I'll answer your questions ''after'' you have answered the questions above. Otherwise I'm quite willing to tell you about the experiences a friend of mine had with the Greek language.
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:43, 18 February 2015 (EST)
::An editor using the User: Conservative account would like to take you up on your offer in this manner, answer your questions in relation to English versions of the Bible (any non-English versions will not be included) and of course I will answer the Greek question too. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:47, 25 March 2015 (EDT)

:::I'm confused: is this secondary user of your account the friend you spoke about? Are you, the main user, interested in Greek? Never mind, I'm waiting for your answers:
:::*How is your Greek?
:::*Which version of the Bible do you own? What English version of the Bible do you like?
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]]
My knowledge of Koine Greek is poor. It consists of just a few words learned through sermons (for example, the words agape, phileo, eros, [http://www.gotquestions.org/dunamis-meaning.html dunamis], etc. etc.).

I own these versions: NASB, NKJV, KJV, J.B Phillips translation of the New Testament and the NIV (not a big fan of the NIV).

Except for the NIV, I like all of the versions of the Bible I own. Each one has its own flavor. I also like the Berkeley Version and this [http://www.genevabible.com/ new version of the Geneva Bible]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:36, 26 March 2015 (EDT)

:*I got my [[Graecum]] at school, after learning classical Greek for four years. At university, I took a course in ''Bibelgriechisch'' (Greek of the Bible / Koine Greek). So, I'm able to ''translate'' verses, but would have trouble to make polite conversation with the Apostle Matthew.... To understand the subtleties of the texts, I have to consult commentaries.
:*No, I don't own a hard-copy of an English version of the Bible, but thanks to the internet, I can read many versions. In German, I prefer the Lutherbibel, and the first English version I look up is always the [[KJB]].
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:34, 28 March 2015 (EDT)
::Thanks. I am torn between doing Bible memorization and learning Koine Greek. I may do both, but probably just one in the short term given the number of various projects I have committed myself to.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:54, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

:::I've great respect for those who know large portions of the Bible by heart because they studied it, preached about it, used it - and every Christian should know at least some verses!
:::OTOH, memorizing the Bible for its own sake doesn't strike me as an intellectual endeavor - any third-rate actor should be able to do so. In my experience, those who have memorized it for its own sake are a lot like vegans - it is one of the first things about themselves they bring up in any conversation....
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:29, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
Some branches of psychology are pseudosciences and laymen are able to do just as well as trained professionals. At the same time, cognitive psychology is very useful and helps with such things as designing airplane cockpit instrument panels and increase people's intellectual abilities. [http://www.amazon.com/Your-Memory-How-Works-Improve/dp/1569246297 This book] shows people how to boost their memory by about 40-60% or more using various memory techniques and I believe it was written by a cognitive psychologist. The figures of 40-60% or more is based on experimental evidence. I plan on learning these techniques this year.

[http://www.amazon.com/How-Read-Book-Intelligent-Touchstone/dp/0671212095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417944498&sr=8-1&keywords=how+to+read+a+book This book], written by the well-known educator/philosopher Mortimer Adler, which sold over 500,000 books and is considered a classic, shows people how to increase their reading comprehension and a website I visited highly recommended this book and I plan on reading it this year.

After all is said and done, in order to better study/apply information, you need to be able to comprehend it and recall it. So memorization/comprehension are fundamental skills worth enhancing as they increase your efficiency/speed of learning. And part of that process can certainly include practicing new memory skills.

The Book of Daniel noted that knowledge will increase in the end times and we live at a time of a knowledge explosion in many respects so these skills are very useful now. I am a big believer in lifelong learning and chided my friend who recently said she was too old to learn. I told her that the mind is like a muscle and if you don't exercise it you will stagnate.

Lastly, I believe there are benefits of taking time to memorizing Scripture and some of them are given below.

:Fine, then do so. Please inform me ''after'' you have completed this task. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:28, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
::Actually, after I finished my university education, I took some college courses and in one of them I memorized Scripture. So I already started the process.

::Second, there is an additional thing I wanted to say: "Overlearning is the repeated practice of a skill or study of material to further strengthen memory and performance. Rehearsal enhances performance past the initial point of learning because the neural processes involved become more efficient and recall speed improves."[http://www.alleydog.com/glossary/definition.php?term=Overlearning] One of the key concepts of learning is learning through repetition and memorization involves repetition. It also causes saturation of learning and saturation can increase your depth of understanding and saturation of learning [http://www.ez3dbiz.com/ez_creativity.html has been linked to increased creativity] (You can better creatively apply your knowledge).

::Another key point is that at times of temptation, it helps if something is second nature to you. Martial artists repeat movements over and over and over and so things become second nature. So they can perform movements without even thinking about it so to speak. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:47, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

:::Good for you. I just think that learning a language is a more enriching task. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:49, 2 April 2015 (EDT)

=== Benefits of memorizing Scripture ===

*[http://sukofamily.org/?p=1434 Benefits of memorizing Scripture]

*[http://www.examiner.com/article/the-benefits-of-memorizing-scripture Benefits of memorizing Scripture - Examiner]

*[http://www.weirdunsocializedhomeschoolers.com/scripture-memory/ Scripture memory box]

I agree with this person who said:

"The perceived value of memorizing scripture, or of memorizing anything for that matter, has fallen on hard times in recent years. Trends in education, and the pervasive belief that memorization is simply a rote practice that has no real impact on true learning, have relegated memorization to an outdated, dusty tool. However, in dismissing the value of memorization, we have lost the practice of internalizing things that are worth keeping and pondering.

Memorization, whether of poetry, a favorite quote or of Scripture, allows you to reflect on the meaning of words repeatedly and in depth. The ultimate goal of memorization is not to regurgitate a thought for the sake of that accomplishment alone, but to allow the words to affect your thinking and your perspective. People who memorize poetry tend to do so because the words carry message that resonates with them."[http://www.examiner.com/article/the-benefits-of-memorizing-scripture]

"Scripture Memorization Works:

Every time we think a thought, including when we memorize and meditate on scripture, our brains are changed. Dr. Amen, a clinical neuroscientist and psychiatrist and author of Making a Good Brain Great, says, “Every time you have a thought your brain releases chemicals. ... Your thoughts
... positive or negative ... make you feel good or they make you feel bad.” What you read and what you say to yourself, changes ever so slightly the neuropathways of your brain and that, in turn, influences your attitudes, behaviors, and emotions. Scripture memorization allows you to choose words and images that shape your mind and heart. It works in us even when we are not conscious of its doing so." For more information please see: [http://mcswichita.net/Teaching/006-ScriptureMemorization&Meditation-JT.pdf SCRIPTURE MEMORIZATION & MEDITATION by By Pastor Jerry Truex] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:21, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

== Recent news report about creationism in Germany/Europe ==

[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2015/03/science-nordic-5-year-study-shows.html Science Nordic: Creationism is spreading in Europe/Germany]

:''Yes, my evolutionist friends, even in the atheistic Netherlands some schools are now teaching creationism! '' You don't know much about the Netherlands, do you? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:43, 15 March 2015 (EDT)

== Spoiling for a fight? ==

No, I'm not. I've avoided Conservapedia for a couple of weeks, and I tried not to get sucked into any debates. But - as usual - I cannot let Andy Schlafly's ''"attempts"'' on translating the Bible (see [[User_talk:Aschlafly#The_Son_of_God]] and [[Son of Man]]) stand without protest. So, here I am again, going through my watchlist, addressing points I've missed (perhaps a little bit more curmudgeonly than necessary, but I'm irked). --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:06, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
:Do you think you are going to change Schlafly's view on the authorship of Hebrews or that he will cause you to adopt his view? Do you think you are going to change other people's minds about this matter? When I saw your recent edits (including the talk page comment directed towards me), the most reasonable explanation is "spoiling for a fight". [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:50, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
:::When I started at Conservapedia four years ago, I thought that one could have interesting discussion on Biblical Greek and gain insights by joined translations. Unfortunately, now I have to admit that this was just wishful thinking: it is the other way round. At first, you have an '''''insight''''' by A. Schlafly, and then, everything, even God's Word is bend to fit the insight.
::"Fourth, argumentative. This one.....some folks might argue about (get it?). Germans can find a thousand things to argue about. It could be one guy planting shrubs of a disliked nature that the neighbor can't stand. It could be the act of cranking your car for two minutes in winter to warm it up. One minute of such a cranking would be tolerated, but not two, and thus inviting an argument sooner or later."[http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html] - taken from the essay'' The Seven Personality Traits of a German'' posted at the blog Schnitzel Republic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:53, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
:::Spouting national stereotypes is certainly an excellent way to calm down your interlocutors.
:::But yes, when I spot litter, I pick it up. When I see a rubbish translation based only on a dubious insight, I argue against it. I won't get a clean world, I won't improve the CBP very much (it is just abysmal). But I try. ''Deutsch sein heißt, eine Sache um ihrer selbst willen zu tun.'' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:12, 15 March 2015 (EDT)

== Categories again ==

This page is so fascinating! I hadn't looked at it for a while.

I have made a small edit to [[Power plant]], in keeping with my vision of categories for electrical things. See [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Alternating_Current_%28AC%29&action=historysubmit&diff=1146349&oldid=1146319] and [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Direct_current&action=historysubmit&diff=1146350&oldid=1146317] for what I've done on those two articles. Feel free to change or revert, of course; I trust your judgment.

My attempts to clean up the mess, both in content and in categories, that is the electricity/electronics material here at CP, got bogged down, of course. So much to do! I may tackle some more of it when I have the time. Much of that mess is ''not'' due to TAR.

In answer to your metaphysical question, he may have taken his own advice, bought as many guns as he could afford (that's in one of his pages somewhere), cashing in his life savings to do it, and moved to someplace in the Northwestern United States, with only his amateur radio rig for communications. As far as I know, Conservapedia has no amateur-radio-connected editing server.

Always a pleasure to talk with you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 12:14, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

== re: User:TheAmericanRedoubt ==

You wrote: [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] has edited Conservapedia two months ago for the last time. Will he be back? What happens to the plethora of red links in the meantime? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:38, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
=== My response ===
I got in contact with [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] and he is going to start editing Conservapedia again probably sometime in September of 2015. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:22, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
:That is a little bit unsettling... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 20:27, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
::He's on some kind of secret project/mission that only Cons knows about. See [[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#The_American_Redoubt]]. I'm sure that, when he comes back, his collegial and cooperative attitude will be such that we will all welcome him back as a valued collaborator. So please be patient. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 21:13, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
:::Try to think of all the red links that will be filled in. The red links being filled in will cause the wiki to look more tidy and orderly - more germanic. :) If he does a superb job, then the level of tidiness and orderliness added to the wiki may even surpass germanic levels and reach Swiss levels.[http://www.dw.de/germans-and-hygiene/a-16459423] :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:50, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
::::[Just back from washing my hands—seriously!—after reading the above article.] I'm not planning to wait for the end of his secret mission. In fact, I've been working at cleaning up the ridiculously disordered redlinks, inappropriate categories, and just general horribleness that TAR has left behind. After reading the above essay, I can't believe that TAR is German or Swiss. More like (no, I won't put in an obnoxious national stereotype here.) And I intend to continue cleaning it up. I trust that AugustO will set an example for all of us. I'm only a small part German. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:13, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
SamHB, clean up you user page which is at [[User:SamHB|SamHB]]. Try to make it more like [[User:Conservative|User: Conservatism]] in its crisp design, simplistic beauty and austere nature. :) Start by removing all the unsightly "crossed out" font on your user page.

"Let everyone sweep in front of his own door, and the whole world will be clean." - Johann Wolfgang Goethe. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:42, 7 June 2015 (EDT)

:Well played, Cons! OK, I will see what I can do about cleaning that up. The multivariable calculus stuff is way obsolete. But maybe it should stay, as a permanent record of my life here. And maybe the crossed out "I can help you; on second thought I can't" garbage should go. But my user page will never have the "crisp design, simplistic beauty and austere nature" (you ''do'' have a way with words!) of yours, for a few reasons:
:*My life at CP, like my life in the real world, is complex and messy. As an example, I've been blocked about 13 times, depending on exactly how you count. (All of them wrongly, but I'm not going to argue that.) It's only in the last couple of years that I seem to have earned enough respect from the admins (yes, even you!) that I don't feel like a criminal all the time. It really does affect one's outlook, and hence one's user page.
:*I don't have the luxury of locking both my user page and talk page, and living behind a cloak of simplicity. You put all your entropy in the various subpages of your user page, like all the music stuff. Doing that just isn't for me.
:*And, of course, you put all your entropy in the "atheism and canoe paddles" articles. (Quick challenge: Come up with a witty reply. Extra points if you can do it without referring to being up the creek without one.)
:*I put my efforts into clean, elegant, and correct pages in mainspace, especially in the math and science area. That's what all the home-schoolers are going to come for, right?
Be that as it may, I will think about making my user page cleaner. But not cleaner than the reality of my life.
:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 23:40, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
::SamHB, a [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Atheism_Project&curid=132852&diff=1157706&oldid=1157355 message] for you. June/July of 2015 are going to be very BAD months for atheism. TERRIBLE things will befall its kingdom. The [[Desecularization|TREND]] is clear and the [http://conservativetriumphs.blogspot.com/2015/03/attention-atheists-google-trends.html writing is on the wall]. Weep and wail militant atheists. Atheism is doomed! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:08, 8 June 2015 (EDT)

== How dare you to call your attempts "translation"? ==

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'''How dare you to call your attempts "translation"?'''

Andy, I have criticized your lack of knowledge already above in the section [[#The Son of God]]. Reading [[Essay:Calming the Storm]], I see that you are not even capable of recognizing that εἶπεν is a conjugated form of λέγω (''"... But "λέγω" -- the Greek term used for said in some versions -- does not appear in the Greek above"''). This shows such a lack of basic skills in even reading Greek! And at the same time you are [[Linguistic Bias of Bible Translations|implying]] that you have a special understanding of the "scientific terminology" which was used in the Bible, giving you perhaps a better understanding of the text than [[James Strong]] had!

''How dare you to call your actions a translation?'' You are not able to translate one verse from scratch! A more honest term would be "inspired ramblings"! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:54, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

'''Plea'''

Andy, please, please, address [[Talk:Essay:Calming_the_Storm#Andy.2C_it.27s_your_essay.2C_correct_your_mistakes.2C_please|these problems]]! Please! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:15, 21 June 2015 (EDT)</div>

== an article relating to religion in Germany ==

I thought you might be interested in this article:

[http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/06/03/are-evangelicals-winning-the-world/ Are Evangelicals Winning the World? Why are parts of Germany formerly under the enforced secularism of the Communist party rediscovering charismatic religion?] by [[Peter L. Berger]], ''The American Interest'', June 3, 2015 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:46, 2 July 2015 (EDT)

== Just checking :-) ==

*x: <math>x</math>
*x^2: <math>x^2</math>
*x^2_1: <math>x^2_1</math>
*\frac{x}{y}: <math>\frac{x}{y}</math>
*\hat{x}: <math>\hat{x}</math>

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 09:43, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

:Bravo! It works!!! Praise the [[Lord]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:37, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

::Thanks for your work: ''hilf Dir selbst, dann hilft Dir Gott!'' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:22, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== Problem fixed ==

Thanks for alerting me to the problem via the block. The problem has been fixed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:11, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

:It felt strange, but I'm glad that it worked :-) --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:23, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

::Clever. Thanks again.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:27, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== Wonderful ==

Wonderful improvements to the "span" locations!!!!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:30, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
:You're welcome! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:33, 30 August 2015 (EDT)

== Quick note ==

I misread the message by GregG on Andy's talk page. Had I read the message more carefully, I would have let Andy respond without any commentary from myself.

I do agree with you about vaccinations not causing autism. At the same time, I do think it is good that the public puts pressure on the medical community and the government so vaccines get safer over time. Given the VA Hospital scandal in the USA and health care scandals in other Western democracies, I think competition and public pressure is good for the medical sector of economies. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:18, 3 November 2015 (EST)
:Thanks - I tend to agree --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 08:37, 16 November 2015 (EST)

== The American Redoubt as a Wikipedian ==

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'''This user is a Wikipedian'''

Does anybody know which handle he uses at wikipedia? Perhaps one could contact him over there... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:31, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:: I am not a Wikipedian. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] ([[User talk:TheAmericanRedoubt|talk]]) 11:08, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:So, your status changed since [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:TheAmericanRedoubt&diff=next&oldid=1126866 Dec 28, 2014]. Was there a conflict about categorizing? ;-) --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 15:05, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:: Thanks for the reminder to remove that tag. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] ([[User talk:TheAmericanRedoubt|talk]]) 20:35, 23 January 2016 (EST)
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== re: Dinesh D'Souza material removal from one of the articles I created ==

I used to be a somewhat of a fan of Dinesh. But after his firing from King's College and his recent political activities which he got jailed for, I have soured on him. I now use his material when no other source is available (so very sparingly). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:36, 29 February 2016 (EST)

:When you start deleting content, there is always the possibility that one of your collective went rogue: therefore, you should explain such deletions! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 16:17, 4 March 2016 (EST)

== re: Conservatve2 account ==

I created the Conservatve2 account because I was at a friend's residence and I did not have the password for User: Conservative readily available. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:36, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

== Silence speaks volumes ==

The phrase is "Silence speaks volumes" in the plural. The multiple "volumes" being referred to are the volumes of a large encyclopedia. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to, ummmm, clean that up.

Your use of the idiom "went missing" was exactly on target. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 17:58, 7 April 2016 (EDT)

:"Silence speaks volumes" or "the lady doth protest too much, methinks" - it's always one or the other.... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 11:17, 8 April 2016 (EDT)

== re: German comments ==

Recently, I listened to some music by Beethoven. After listening to the music, I thought of the various important contributions of Germans. For example, Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation.

I know I did some good-natured ribbing about the Germans, but looking back I regret doing so.

Europe is facing a lot of problems right now. Hopefully, German Christians will help soften some the blow of some of the past mistakes Europeans committed which are starting to cause some significant problems (see: [http://evangelicalfocus.com/blogs/838/Europes_crisis_Gods_opportunity Europe’s crisis. God’s opportunity]). For example, recently I read that many Moslem immigrants to Europe are converting to Christianity (or pretending to) and some churches are taking a pro-active stance on this issue and actively engaging in evangelism efforts. [http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/25/why-are-so-many-muslim-refugees-in-europe-suddenly-finding-jesus.html] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:54, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

:Thanks - though our views on "good-natured ribbing" differ considerably. I wish you the very best for your off-wiki endeavours which you have mentioned quite a lot over the last weeks. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 03:47, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
::I think you are right about some of my comments, but I know at least my Hogan's Hero's comments were good-natured. I also know that I always had a measure of respect for Germanic culture. One of my teachers said that Germans have done some of the greatest things that humanity has ever accomplished and some of the worst things. I think that is a fair statement. When you have a culture which has a good degree of self-discipline you can put that discipline to good uses or bad uses. I do think Europe's economy would be in much worse shape if it weren't for the Germans.

::As far as contemporary Germany, I am not a fan of flooding Europe with Muslims and I think boosting Europe's fertility rate would be a better solution, but I will admit that the insisting that the new immigrants learn the native language (German) and making greater efforts at work placement is a lot better than than the French/Swedish immigration model. But with the New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Colgne, Germany tell me that this is not an optimal solution. I guess Merkel and German businessman are in a difficult situation given the labor demand for German industry. I think making greater efforts to bring in more Christian immigrants would be a better solution as far as short-term solutions.

::I think Europe needs to adopt a more Christian worldview. The agnostic professor [[Eric Kaufmann]] said that boosting fertility rates though public policy has had mixed success as far as countries that have tried this if memory serves, but I can't precisely recall all his public statements that I have heard.[https://books.google.com/books?id=E3X4CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=%22eric+kaufmann%22+fertility+france&source=bl&ots=sjy2t0PxhI&sig=98Kda6TclDBWelMexgT5lPxsjrQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjoj9SAwI7NAhUJNT4KHVnjCGkQ6AEIQTAF#v=onepage&q=%22eric%20kaufmann%22%20fertility%20france&f=false]

::Anyways, the world seems to be changing at a faster pace and I expect there to be some very significant changes in the next 20-25 years or so (robotics, failing welfare states, [[desecularization]], people are probably going to be forced to retire later, increased culture clash as far as Western values and Islamic culture, etc, etc.). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:55, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
I was just thinking about one of my previous statements. Given robotics and potential changes in terms of energy technology, I am not sure what is going to happen as far as the work/leisure equation. I think the world is more complex and being a futurist is a harder job as societies are going into more uncharted territories. For example, [[Gerald Celente]] of the Trends Institute has probably been one of the better futurists over his lifetime, but in recent years he has had some significant failures in terms of his predictions. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:07, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
==Happy New Year==
We've missed you and wish you all the best for 2017! [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:35, 16 January 2017 (EST)
:Thanks! Best wishes for you, too! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 05:16, 18 January 2017 (EST)

== Why don't you stop working on the CBP? ==

Why don't you stop working on the CBP?

I gave some reasonable criticisms of the project including one that I just added that you probably agree with relating to original intent of the authors (see the Conservative Bible Project talk page).

The CBP has a flawed design which gets in the way of original intent being adequately expressed in the translation.

On Andy's talk page I suggested you launch a new project at Conservapedia called the Open Source Bible translation Project. Please read what I posted on Andy's talk page and respond. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:47, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:If there are fake news out there, it is not enough to post the real story somewhere else - you have to confront the fake news directly. In light of [[Revelation_16-22_(Translated)#22:18|Rev 22:18-20]], this is especially important for the a fake [[Good News]].
:Furthermore, Andy's "insights" pop up as ''Gospel truth'' on articles in the main space, like [[Counterexamples to Relativity]] and [[Epistle to the Hebrews]]. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 04:56, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::Why not agree to launching a Open Source Bible translation project at Conservapedia and periodically criticize the CBP? You are never going to like the final product of the CBP. And you are never going to like co-laboring with Mr. Schlafly on the CBP.

::And if your criticism of the CBP of it being a translation that is designed to cater to the opinions of Mr. Schlafly is a sincere and valid criticism, then why would you want to work on a project which will never have wide appeal? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:20, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

*What use is it to splinter the small resources even more? And ''I'''m aware of my limitations: a story written by me in a foreign language would not appeal to an American reader.
*The interesting thing: I'm learning very much due to the CBP, e.g., I never before thought about word frequencies in the Bible other than as a mean to efficiently learn the vocabulary. I take my time to look thoroughly into things, and this way I have benefited from this ill-guided project, improved my vocabulary and my general knowledge of Greek over various time periods.
*I'm aware that I could get minuscule changed to the project by intense flattering. Unfortunately, that is not my way. So, I want to make my points so crystal clear that all but one understand my position.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 05:52, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::OK. I think I am going to obtain the newest version of the NASB. I did learn more about Bible versions as a result of the CBP. In addition, I don't think I will engage in anymore criticism of the CBP. I don't think my criticism will be received and acted on. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:16, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::*NASB? Good for you - it this the version you intend to [[#Benefits_of_memorizing_Scripture|memorize]]?
:::*You should keep an eye on the CBP - AFAIK, all editors who tried there to egg Andrew Schlafly on later turned out to be trolls.
:::*As you do not want to appear to endorse the project, I think you should register your protest from time to time.
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 06:49, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Yes, now that I know the pros and cons of the various versions, I have picked the NASB as the version I wish to memorize.

Second, I set some goals for the remainder of my life which will be very challenging to meet. I don't think I will have the luxury of keeping an eye on the CBP. Fully registering my criticisms, which I have done via the CBP talk page, will have to suffice. It comes down to priorities. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:42, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:I have been an outspoken critic of the CBP and I thought all my suggestions would be ignored. But today I was surprised by Andy taking one of my suggestions and altering one of the 10 guidelines of the CBP project. I took it upon myself to implement another change in the guidelines which I hope will stick as this issue was the second most grievous problem with the project. My suggestions are very sensible. I do endeavor to be a reasonable person and not be an unreasonable nitpicker. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:22, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== IRC ==

Hello, 
After some discussion (on [[User_talk:DavidB4#Conservapedia_IRC_channel|my talk page]] and [[User_talk:Aschlafly#IRC|Andy's]]) it has been decided that I start an [[Internet Relay Chat]] channel for Conservapedia, since our old one has been dead since 2009. It is now registered and somewhat set up. I don't know if you use IRC or are interested in doing so, but anyone with block privileges on Conservapedia can also get block privileges on the new IRC channel. Unfortunately, IRC accounts are deleted after 30 days of being unused, so unless you plan on using the IRC at least once a month, there is probably not much point in registering. In any case, feel free to try it out--if you account gets deleted, we can always make another one later. If you are interested, please let me know! 
The IRC channel is: #conservapedia @irc.accessIRC.net 
Let me know if you have any questions or need anything else, also! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:41, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

== Hey ==

We never spoke on a talk page, but I think you're the best Bible translator on this site, the very best. Don't let Conservative get away with any of his petty grammar remarks.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

== You’re Cool ==

Again, just sayin'. [[User:DaveSG|DaveSG]] ([[User talk:DaveSG|talk]]) 01:14, 24 February 2018 (EST)

== Re User:Conservative - a few matters ==

At [[User_talk:SamHB#Atheistic_Troll]], [[User:Wikignome72]] wrote:
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AugustO, a few matters: 1) I promised the author of the book/booklet that I would not discuss any details concerning the book/booklet. I am certainly not going to break that promise for the sake of some foolish evolutionists who assert a ridiculous ideology. 2) A far as my projects/operations, the web traffic to my articles speak for themselves. My key articles are receiving thousands and thousands of page views each and every month. Evidently, those projects/operations worked! 3) AugustO, now please feel free to go on with your work on that Bible Project you got involved in (A project you were unqualified for "Dr. Augusto - Professor Emeritus of Greek and Hebrew literature!").09:26, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
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He did not sign his text (Sun Tzu?!). I wanted to address his points, but was afraid that it would make an already hard-to-read section even more unseemly.

#Wow. For me, it was just another much-touted project which failed to come to fruition. But promise? Perhaps even to a maiden? I was not aware that a damsel-in-distress-situation would be involved - please, by all means, carry on (on your very high horse), and ignore the mere mortals who dare to address the subject (and will keep on doing so for the next decades)
#Congratulations. By this standard, your operations worked nearly as well as cute videos of kittens at youtube.
#Indeed, the [[Conservapedia Bible Project]] became my ''raison d’être'' on this site. But I'm not Martin Luther: I could never translate the Greek New Testament into German - even less so into English - my Greek is just not good enough. Neither is my English (and I have no knowledge of Hebrew) But I'm qualified enough to spot the most egregious errors made by those who are even less qualified than me! Sometimes I nearly despair when I read the ''Fieberträume'' of those who had little Greek twelve years ago, and did not improve their skills over more than a decade! (see, e.g. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Devil&diff=186037&oldid=55279])

Sometimes I wonder what Conservapedia could have become - with a steady influx of home-schooled pupils, or if some lecturers at Liberty University had encourage their students to improve certain articles. President Trump may have even linked to those articles! But as we say in German ''Der Zug ist abgefahren''. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:08, 30 September 2019 (EDT)

==Science and the rational mind==
You will recall, science has replaced God in the rational mind. Highlighting the important contributions to science by Dr. Mengele and Jeffrey Epstein in no way diminishes the horrors of what Dr. Mengele did in the holocaust or in the field of science. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 17:54, 5 October 2019 (EDT)
:Josef Mengele killed at least 3,000 people in his twin experiments alone. How does your link not diminish these horrors? Why is it the only link? What about [[Holodomor]]? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:10, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

== Soon to be deleted ==

From [[User:Wikignome72/Thanksgiving]] :

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<nowiki>*LOL*</nowiki> --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:25, 4 November 2019 (EST)

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==Clean up==
I noticed quite some time ago you expressed a willingness to help clean up CP's Most Wanted Pages. We're finally taking the problem seriously. Would you be interested in helping? Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:53, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
:Interesting idea - I'll try to help. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:11, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
::Rob, could you take a look [[Template talk:Tnavbar|here]]? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:55, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

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AugustO:

I recommend a minor change to help this look a little nicer. Before <tt><nowiki>[{{fullurl:</nowiki></tt> put <tt><nowiki></nowiki></tt> and after <tt><nowiki>]</nowiki></tt> put <tt><nowiki></nowiki></tt>; that will remove the little arrow icon that makes the edit link look like an external link. ~ ''[[User:Mdotley|Webster]]'' ([[User talk:Mdotley|talk]]) 00:37, 8 May 2013 (EDT)

IMO this should be shortened to include only the link back to the template, not to its talk-page or its edite-option. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:31, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
:Well, leaving a link to the editing option is fine, because it's not in the <nowiki>[[]]</nowiki> fashion (it's actually impossible to directly link to an article's "action=edit" on normal pages), and thus won't be tracked in the CP database in terms of which page links to where. And since the template which is linked to by itself obvious exists (a tautology), the provided link to the "action=edit" isn't a link to a non-existent page (technically "option", since it's just a different option for an article, just as "action=history" is a different option) anyways. However, I do agree that the link to the template's talk page should be removed to avoid a massive number of unintended red links. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 12:36, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
::Agreed. But while linking to the editing option may be fine, I think it is absolutely unnecessary... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:53, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

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How is this one of the most wanted pages? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:05, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
:Every navbox template contains the "navbar" at the top left which links to the template itself, the talk page, and the "index.php?title= etc. etc. &action=edit" URL. When transcluded, the template includes the link to its talk page whether it's created or not. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 12:12, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
::Yes, thanks: IMO Template:Tnavbar should not link to its talk-page: who needs to visit the talk-page of a template directly and not via the template page? That would get rid of quite a few "wanted pages".... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:35, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

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==User:PetyrB has been blocked ==

User:PetyrB has been blocked. He was Markman. It will be much harder for him to give a repeat performance. And if he manages to give a repeat performance, it will be very short lived. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
:He blocked everyone except me. I feel left out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:23, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
::I wasn't blocked either. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:58, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I notice that he blocked you three times last year. Perhaps he's mellowed. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:09, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

Becoming an editor of good standing may become harder for someone like him, but I fear that it will be next to impossible for an honest newcomer! Without a strong motivation (for me, it is the my outrage about the disservice the CBP does to the Bible - and a bewilderment when reading about physics), you won't have the dedication to overcome the obstacles into which you are running here at Conservapedia: It took me quite an effort to find a way to appeal my first blocks!

It's at Catch-22 situation: If you make errors - as any newbie will do - you get blocked, and most probably just quit. Newcomers who don't make errors are most probably reincarnations who learned the ropes in a couple of earlier lives. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:41, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

== Short note ==

If you ever get banned again, let me know at [[User:Conservative/mail|HERE]] and I will unblock you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:57, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
:If he is blocked he will not be able to notify you. He will have been blocked surely? There really does need to be a better way to contact admins here in the case of parodists like markman blocking people imo. [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 14:27, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::He can create another user account solely for the purpose of contacting me at another IP address.
:::Ok, I will remember that in case markman comes back. He previously banned me several times as well [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 14:41, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::::Fine, just be patient. I am not sure how often the mailbox will be checked, but it will definitely be checked from time to time. And you can always contact other admins too. It makes sense to mitigate any damage caused by a rogue blocker whose blocking privileges are short lived. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:50, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::From the Conservapedia commandments page: "Administrators have discretion to act on matters not specifically mentioned here, such as vandalism and sockpuppets."[http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Commandments] Common sense discretion can be exercised by Conservapedia administrators. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:39, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

==''Has hope he will be more amiable should he return''==

User:Conservative, you blocked me arbitrarily for three days ("''needlessly being quarrelsome''"), and then you unblocked me, equally arbitrarily. Are you really thinking that this leads to ''amiability''? No, it stirred my curiosity. I reread our exchange at [[Talk:Generalized linear model]] and digged a little deeper into the matters discussed:

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''content created by User:Conservative User:AugustO and subject to Conservapedia's copyright policy''
Why was this page deleted? From my personal files:
:AugustO, I thought you were merely whining. You said you wanted the article improved, yet were unwilling to do the work to improve it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:42, 23 July 2014 (EDT)
::How does your petty insult ("whining") justify the deletion of this talk page? Below I showed my willingness to improve the sorry state of this article by collaborating with you! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:46, 24 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I may write articles on [[Correlation and dependence]] and [[Spearman's rank correlation coefficient]] and [[Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient]] in the future. By the way, [[Vox Day]] wrote an interesting article entitled [http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2014/02/statistical-misleadings.html Statistical misleadings]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:51, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

*"I may write articles on [[Correlation and dependence]] and [[Spearman's rank correlation coefficient]] and [[Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient]] in the future." Given your history of announcements (Project 200+, Question Evolution brochure for high-school-pupils, etc.), I'll be very surprised when this happens!
*Regina Nuzzo's [http://www.nature.com/news/scientific-method-statistical-errors-1.14700 "Scientific method: Statistical errors"] is indeed an interesting article.
*Still no explanation for the deletion.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:34, 24 July 2014 (EDT)
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While you still haven't answer my question about the deletion of the talk-page, I came to the conclusion that my mentioning of the ''Question evolution! book for middle school students'' triggered the deletion of the revisions and my block. You seem to be on an Orwellian campaign to erase this book from memory, a campaign which bodes ill for the trustworthiness of Conservapedia. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:42, 27 July 2014 (EDT)

This is too complicated for an outsider to follow. The important point is that AugustO, who earned the respect of many CP editors is back, and I welcome his contributions. I hope that we can all learn to live together in content-creation-harmony. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 19:38, 27 July 2014 (EDT)

:Harmony is important, but honesty, too - especially at a ''trustworthy encyclopedia''. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:45, 27 July 2014 (EDT)

== Project ==

Would you like to collaborate with other editors on a wiki project to help Conservapedia be a strong resource for a given topic.

The topic could be decided by the editors participating.

If you are interested, please go to: [http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal#A_project_for_active_editors_to_collaborate_on The collaborative project]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:02, 25 December 2014 (EST)

:I'm a little surprised by this "project". A wiki should ''per se'' be a collaborative project: I tend to jump on subjects which pique my interest (without an additional layer of administration.) Major obstacles for collaboration on Conservapedia's articles are for me:
:*Some sysops think they own certain articles, and will keep up their preferred version without engaging in a meaningful discussion on the talk-page (see e.g., [[E=mc²]]). Some sysops even prevent editing of their pet articles by locking them - I think that you, User:Conservative, are the main culprit when it comes to this tactic!
:*Collaboration prerequisites a certain degree of maturity and honesty. You, User:Conservative, don't have at least one of these characteristics: for example, the "we are many" - charade is just infantile. And how do I know that you won't create new dummy accounts to manipulate discussions? You haven't come clean about [[User:Historybuff]], therefore I don't know whether you will take such crooked steps again.
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:11, 28 December 2014 (EST)
::Are you claiming that merely one person is editing using the User: Conservative account? If so, considering your insistence that merely one person is editing using the account, what proof and evidence do you have for this claim? Your little tirade here is not impressive. Also, if you are such a big fan of collaboration, why can't the totality of "User: Conservative"'s edits be a team effort? If "User:Conservative" allows a conservative friend or friends to also use the account, what is that to you? None of the Conservapedia Commandments forbids the sharing of an account.

::Next, a very small percentage of my/our articles are locked in terms of editing them.

::Furthermore, the Conservapedia wiki article protect tab was created to be used! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:12, 31 December 2014 (EST)

:::It's just common sense:
:::*If you are many, your ''manual of style'' must be epic: your way of writing is quite unique. Furthermore, it is quite inconceivable that there is more than one editor who shows such a consistent inability to use the preview button (''it was created to be used'').
:::*In your interactions with your fellow sysops, you are treated as a single person.
:::*Your medical history: every time you excuse your actions with a lack of sleep, etc., it is the story of a single person.
:::Hey, it is the internet: You could be a group of medically enhanced Rottweilers, and until your account is closed by your local dog-catcher, we cannot be sure... But for me, you failed the [[Turing test]] on multi-personality.
:::All of the above is not very important: what counts is that you (and your friends/sysops) know how many you are. You know whether you wish to try to deceive your fellow editors.
:::It is the same as with your dummy account of [[User:Historybuff]]: you know whether you acted immorally. For me, it just seems so - and in the internet, appearance is quite important, as we are not able to prove much.
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:40, 31 December 2014 (EST)
AugustO, as far as the inconceivability of User: Conservative being multiple editors, your lack of imagination and [http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html germanic stubbornness] is not a serious objection.

Second, how would you know if one person or persons using the User: Conservative was using the preview button? Have you done an analysis of the edits concerning this matter? How would you know if persons using the User: Conservative do not use the preview account? How would you know the reason or reasons why "User: Conservativedom" sometimes does not use the preview button?

"User: Conservative" has edited during the day and night. And the illness affecting one of the editors of the User: Conservative account has largely been conquered. For example, a full eight hours of sleep occurred today for the person affected.

Do you believe that one person largely wrote the [[homosexuality]] and the [[Atheist actions against homosexuals]] article (the title of the article was originally Atheist persecution against homosexuals" if memory serves, but one editor within "User: Conservativedom" objected to this title) and that one person wrote both articles. The article [[Atheist actions against homosexuals]] was a shock to those obsessed with the User: Conservative account and the footnoting style is different than the [[homosexuality]] article as well. What are your thoughts on this matter?

Have you read C.S. Lewis's article entitled [http://textualcriticism.scienceontheweb.net/SUPLEM/CSLewis.html Modern Theology and Biblical Criticism]? It should give you pause on psychologically analyzing a writer/writers and his/her/their intentions, etc. etc.

Why don't you ask User: Karajou if User: Conservative is merely one editor? We can guarantee you that User: Karajou will not claim that User: Conservative is merely one editor. Why? Because User: Karajou was informed that more than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account. And User: Karajou has checkuser and could certainly verify this matter.

In addition, we know you were successfully rebuffed about the "historybuff" matter and that you most certainly do not have the moral high ground. You did not prove the identity/identities of the mysterious historybuff. And you acknowledged (after you shown to be acting in an unbecoming manner) that no Conservapedia rule was broken if a person using the historybuff account was an Conservapedia admin (Of course, the same would apply if persons using the account were admins) so you failed again!

Furthermore, has the User: Conservative account edited the [[Sun Tzu]] article? If so, then at least one editor with User: Conservativedom understands the strategy/tactic of stealth and keeping the opposition guessing (User: Conservativedom does not agree with all of Sun Tzu's actions/writings by the way). And we know that the left/liberals such as Alinsky use the tactic of attacking individuals before attacking institutions/groups (Rule #12 of [http://www.bestofbeck.com/wp/activism/saul-alinskys-12-rules-for-radicals Alinsky's rules for radicals]). But, User: Conservative is more than one editor! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:04, 31 December 2014 (EST)
:By the way, German evolutionists did not think that American creationists would land on the beaches of Normandy. But that is exactly what happened!!! (And [[Dwight D. Eisenhower|Dwight D. Eisenhower]] appears to have been a creationist [http://www.icr.org/article/presidential-support-for-creationism/]).

::''"We can guarantee you that User: Karajou will not claim that User: Conservative is merely one editor. Why? Because User: Karajou was informed that more than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account."''
::When did this happen? In the first months of your membership? I doubt it, as it seems unlikely that Andy would bestow such extensive rights as "checkuser" and "administrator" on a communal account.
::Even when I started editing in 2011, you hadn't come out as a multitude, that happened during the last one or two years. So, assuming that there is more than one user at your account, he/she/them were invited to do so somewhat after 2011. Am I right?
::This is quite troubling: your weren't even able to lobby for upload-rights for [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] until now, but you gave some person access to "checkuser", "administrator" and "oversight" rights! Either this person never had an account here at Conservapedia, or it had an account before, but wasn't seen worthy to get these rights which you decided to share.
::I would call this ''nepotism'', and it is impossible to square it with Conservapedia's claim of being a ''meritocracy'':
::::'''''Conservapedia is a meritocracy. Administrators are selected as needed from the best of the best contributors, there is no popularity contest to determine promotion, and nominations not accepted. By your own work shall you be known. '''''
::But that is just a [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|guideline]] - and you are not so awfully keen of them, like:
::::'''''Conservapedia does not allow "sockpuppet" accounts or unaccountable anonymous proxy use. '''''
::''In addition, we know you were successfully rebuffed about the "historybuff" matter and that you most certainly do not have the moral high ground. You did not prove the identity/identities of the mysterious historybuff. And you acknowledged (after you shown to be acting in an unbecoming manner) that no Conservapedia rule was broken if a person using the historybuff account was an Conservapedia admin (Of course, the same would apply if persons using the account were admins) so you failed again! ''
::You were [[User:Historybuff]]. The little incident of your intermingled comments at the main talk page made this obvious. [[User:Karajou]] could prove it. Thereby '''you broke a rule (or do you claim that it is just a ''guideline'' and doesn't apply to you?)'''
::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:39, 2 January 2015 (EST)
:::Why are you assuming that User: Conservative may be merely two persons? Why not more?

:::The User: Conservative account will continue to be shrouded in mystery to you - a black box of conservatism!

:::As far as the meritocracy issue, the User: Conservative account produces articles that are useful and of interest to the public, well-researched, accurate and scrupulously footnoted. The articles are some of the most popular articles at Conservapedia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:27, 2 January 2015 (EST)

::::*The problems which I mentioned above just increase if there are more than two editors
::::*So, you decided what merits being "administrator" or having "checkuser" rights? Isn't that the kind of ''nomination'' which is explicitly frowned upon in the guidelines?
::::*How many socks are there for your account? I repeat, running User:Historybuff was against Conservapedia's guidelines, and the smokescreen which you put up here won't change this fact.
::::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:19, 2 January 2015 (EST)
高深莫測 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:29, 2 January 2015 (EST)
:There is nothing ''inscrutable'' (?) about it. You are just unwilling to take responsibility for your actions. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 01:53, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::The User: Conservative account was given admin status before the guidelines page was created. The puts a spanner in your germanic stubbornness, your germanic argumentativeness and your germanic obsession with tradition/rules, Herr O![http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html] Secondly, Conservapedia's policies/rules were not broken. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:10, 3 January 2015 (EST)

:::You created your sock [[User:Historybuff]] on Aug 2, 2014, violating the guideline which is in place since years:
::::'''''Conservapedia does not allow "sockpuppet" accounts or unaccountable anonymous proxy use. '''''
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:54, 3 January 2015 (EST)
First socks, then shoes. Have you ever examined Conservapedia's logo? In America, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. You never demonstrated that an editor (or editors) of the User: Conservative account edited using the historybuff account.

Second, the point is moot as the former Admin Rob Smith made an appellation to a guideline which affects matters as can be seen [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Sockpuppet&diff=892529&oldid=890286 HERE]. And Admin Joaquin Martinez has edited Conservapedia using various accounts and Aschlafly has never once expressed displeasure about this matter. So your quest to prevail in this matter is futile. It is quite impossible that a guideline was broken in this matter!

Feel free to engage in [[last wordism]] at juncture. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:09, 3 January 2015 (EST)

:*Do you deny that [[User:Historybuff]] was your sock?
:*Joaquín Martínez doesn't try to hide his identity by using various accounts.
:*I stick to the commandments and guidelines, thank you.
:Feel free to run away. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:15, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::AugustO, you remind me of the person who became upset with me when I performed the en passant move in a chess game and captured his pawn. He was not familiar with the en passant rule and claimed a rule was being broken by me. Prove your allegation and ignorance of Conservapedia's rules is no excuse. Checkmate, Herr O!!! Once again, you battled against the User: Conservative account and was easily and effortlessly defeated! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:32, 3 January 2015 (EST)
:::At least you admit that [[User:Historybuff]] was your pawn. Using it was just not a ''clever move'', but an act of deceit. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:37, 3 January 2015 (EST)
No admission was made. Prove your allegation and know the rules before you claim a rule was broken! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:41, 3 January 2015 (EST)

== Happy New Year ==

The editors of the User: Conservative account wish you a happy new year. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:06, 2 January 2015 (EST)
==Unblock==
Dear AugustO,
Thank you for unblocking me. At the same time, TAR also blocked my IP address. If you have access to the block log, could you please unblock that IP as well? Many thanks. Cheers, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 15:59, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 17:43, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:: "Cheers?" I lived and worked in England and France for 4 years. I very rarely hear Americans say "Cheers". In my limited experience, usually Brits and Australians say it. You Wschact have said it a lot here on CP. Of course, nothing at all wrong with having British or Australian editors here -- on the contrary, the diversity is wonderful. However, you perhaps being from one of those two rather liberal [[gun free zone]] countries would explain your frequent anti-American [[liberal bias]] in your frequent deletions of strong conservative American and especially firearms/Second Amendment related materials. Now it makes more sense. When I lived over there I frequently heard [[NRA]] Second Amendment bashing. I guess you and other self-described, so-called "moderate" ([[RINO]] or actual [[liberal]]) [[gun control|anti-self defense]] CP editors perhaps have never seen this flyer. Please examine this [[World War II]] flyer: https://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/b4/c5/b4c52576c5d83bde287c5f26a41b9ba5.jpg?itok=wQk-jVj6
::http://www.examiner.com/article/would-you-send-a-gun-to-defend-a-british-home

::Perhaps [[User:Conservative]], Karajou or JPatt, when you get a chance would please upload this picture to CP under the file name "Send a gun to defend a British home.jpg"? I would like to use it in both an article and an Pro Second Amendment essay such as [[Essay:France Pays Dearly - Liberal Gun Control Laws and Gun Free Zones that Welcome Terrorists]]. Some of my essays ([[Conservapedia:Essays#Firearms_and_the_Second_Amendment]]) will be good conservative American Patriot "[[Essay:Sheepdogs_for_the_sheeple|sheepdog]]" responses to AugustO and Wshacts deletion of Second Amendment, Tenth Amendment States' rights and other firearms related conservative content. Thanks.
::[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 09:38, 13 January 2015 (EST)

:::If you wish to talk with [[User:Wschact]] about your time in England, perhaps you should unblock him... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:31, 13 January 2015 (EST)

== On cats and lives ==

[[User:Conservative]], please stand by your threats:
A cat only has so many lives. I think you are on your 8th. But in all of the excitement lately, maybe its your 9th. Do you fell lucky? Don't count on me bailing you out if you go against Karajou and TheAmericanRedoubt. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:10, 13 January 2015 (EST)
Well, [[User:Conservative]], I don't intend to "go against Karajou and TheAmericanRedoubt". But if anything happens to my current live, I just hope that you will do the right thing - one can dream. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:30, 13 January 2015 (EST)
:Glad to hear. Good faith editors should not be pestered. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:20, 14 January 2015 (EST)
::I promise to do the right thing. If you are blocked unfairly, I will unblock you.

::Second, have you seen [http://www.iwebtool.com/alexa_traffic_rank?domain=creation.com&data=p&range=2y THIS]? It looks like 2015 could easily be the WORST year in the history of Darwinism! 2014 was a TERRIBLE year for evolutionism.

::Who knows what surprises [[Creation Ministries International]] and the [[Discovery Institute]] will unleash on Darwinism in 2015?!!!![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:17, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:::''"I promise to do the right thing. If you are blocked unfairly, I will unblock you."'' I couldn't ask for more. Unfortunately, our view about unfair blocks differ: I think that my last block - two days for reinserting a section to [[User talk:Aschlafly]] (because ''A talk page is a user's castle!'') - was unfair, seen that deleting [[User talk:SamHB]] against the explicit wishes of the user stayed unsanctioned: see [[User_talk:Aschlafly#Deuteronomy_25:13-15]] --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:05, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::::You carp about others breaking rule or supposedly breaking rules. You are not above the rules! As a German, one would think you would thank me for my germanic insistence that you obey the rules also! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:18, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:::::I'm sure that I'll be admonished every time I break a rule or violate a guideline of this site! What about you? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:22, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::::::I don't detect a thankfulness for my correction. You still have a rebellious spirit! :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:36, 15 January 2015 (EST)

===In 19 Months AugustO submits 2 New 1 Paragraph Articles, 13 New Talk Pages; in 2 weeks 83 Related to TheAmericanRedoubt===
Since the 22nd of May 2013 ([[Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=AugustO]]) Mr. O has written 2 new 1 paragraph long articles: [[Sleswick-Holsatia]] and [[Ceslas Spicq]]. Also 1 new redirect page "article" ([[Amu]]). He has created 13 new Talk Page articles. 83 of his edits in only 2 weeks have been of my work or related to my work.
Perhaps he might want to please consider paying more attention to this [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#90.2F10_Rule]] instead of to every detail of my numerous new article and essay contributions.
The gentleman "doth protest too much, methinks". :-)
[[Patience]] is a [[virtue]] Mr. O seem to be still attempting to master.
[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 18:08, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:Yes, I'm annoyed, too, by the effort it takes to get you to make the slightest corrections, like: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor&curid=2830&diff=1132468&oldid=1132467 the category at Attack on Pearl Harbor]. You are still producing a plethora of red links - though you have promised otherwise - and I won't ignore this. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:19, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:: I just now gave temporary 1 day block since he is ignoring numerous advice from Admin [[User:Conservative]] and continues to violate the 90/10 rule. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 18:25, 15 January 2015 (EST)

----
Well, [[User:Conservative]], time to think what the right thing to do is... Will you support this abuse of the 90/10 rule? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:34, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:I receive a report that you are blocking the good faith efforts of someone who wants to create content.

:I think you are on your way to having your blocking rights removed. If that happens, a long block against you could last quite a long time. Due to my reduced activity level, I might not even notice if you are blocked for some time even if I was going to undo the block.

:I have some projects I am tackling plus I expect to be tacking two more soon so I need to catch up on things. I had an accident happen to me recently and was temporarily injured which set me behind on things. But I recovered recently so I am moving forward. So I told the editor that I cannot referee this one and to refer the matter to Karajou. Try not to pick any unnecessary fights with other editors. That is my advice. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:15, 15 January 2015 (EST)

::So, you would always do the right thing, if not all members of your collective were to busy... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:23, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::(EC) Sorry to hear about your accident, I wish you a speedy recovery! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:25, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:::Thanks on wishes for a recovery.

:::Second, User: ConservativeS (plural) fought an ideological [http://www.thefreedictionary.com/delaying+action delaying action] as far as evangelical/militant atheism caused by the fad of [[New Atheism]], but as you can see [http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=atheist%2C%20atheism%2C%20New%20atheism%2C%20richard%20dawkins&cmpt=q&tz= HERE] and the articles [[global atheism|decline of global atheism]] and [[atheist movement|decline of the atheist movement]], the cavalry of Christian apologists, atheists shooting themselves in the foot and circumstances has arrived!!!

:::To a large degree, our work is done. Like the proverbial and mysterious, [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068699/ high plains drifter/gunslinger], we will be less active and largely ride off into the sunset. :) It's time to tackle new challenges. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:09, 15 January 2015 (EST)

@AugustO: I would recommend that you accept what Conservapedia has become, and stop trying to change that. You are in great danger. User TAR, who doesn't seem to be well-versed in how this place operates, has been making extremely thinly-veiled threats against you, with the reference to 8 lives or whatever. A phrase that he seems to have picked up from Cons. Stay away. That's what I'm doing.

@Cons: (1) You might want to remind TAR that a few days ago he made an edit with the word "insidious" in the comment, referring to what he was reverting. You might want to remind him that people have gotten into a lot of trouble for using inflammatory words in edit comments. Like "hideous", if I recall correctly. (2) Perhaps you ought to be careful about saying that your work is done and that you might "ride off into the sunset" and "tackle new challenges". Someone might come along and delete your user and talk pages :-) :-) :-).

@both of you: I was delighted to see you two having a conversation on my talk page recently, and I have joined in the conversation. Feel free to come and visit me. I can't really go "outside" when my home state is described as treasonous, so I have to stay at home. I get lonely at times.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:21, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:I'm aware of the - rather unveiled - threads, both by [[User:Conservative]] and [[User:TheAmericanRecoubt]]. Conservapedia stands at a croosroad at this moment, and for me, it is just irresponsible not to show the pitfalls of the way which is likely to be chosen.... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:34, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::AugustO, if you get blocked by someone, don't count on me to look into the matter or to notice. I am less active on the wiki now and plan on being less active as well.

::In addition, lately you have become so petty and contentious, I cannot say it would trouble me if you no longer edited the wiki. No hard feelings, but that's just the way it is. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:26, 16 January 2015 (EST)

== FFAF is not a sock account ==

FFAF is not a sock account. Didn't the Facebook category tag for [[Freedom from Atheism Foundation]] which I removed tell you that it was not a sock? I don't think Aschalfly account will be creating a Facebook category tag anytime soon. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:23, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:*How did [[User:Karajou]] deduce that it is in fact a sock-account? He has "checkuser"-rights, hasn't he?
:*You pride yourself with stealth and subterfuge, therefore I cannot take the things you say at face value. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:57, 14 January 2015 (EST)
::Stealth is not telling untruths. A stealth fighter pilot is not lying to the radar operators of an opposing country. :)

::Karajou probably blocked the person because there was overlap with another person using the same IP for some reason.

::Third, people often think reciprocity is deserved when they do something for others. The Freedom from Atheism Foundation (FFAF) has plugged several CP atheism articles. So it is natural that someone would create an article on their foundation at CP. Given that CP covers the atheism topic with some depth, a volunteer/fan of theirs adding an article on FFAF is not unreasonable. Social media plays a significant role in social movements and they have a notable and growing social media presence. They are also financially backed by a large foundation I have been told. Furthermore, they are taking steps to grow into a much larger organization. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:31, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:::August0 why do you say that I am a 'sock' of Conservative ? I don't even know that that means ? [[User:FFAF|FFAF]] 09:37, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::::A sock is a sockpuppet. A sockpuppet is a duplicate user account. Don't worry about it. I am an admin and I straightened out the misunderstanding. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:33, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:::::This is indeed troubling. If FFAF is unduly blocked, Conservative may not notice due to time/commitments and having largely ridden off into the sunset like the Lone/Many Ranger(s). Then who will revert FFAF's unfair block? Perhaps one of the other admins should keep a particular eye out for FFAF being harassed or blocked. Incidentally, I have changed a section heading in [[Essay:Worst Liberal Movies]]. Somebody please check it; I believe it is an improvement as mentioned in [[Talk:Essay:Worst Liberal Movies]]. :) [[User:ConsMovies|ConsMovies]] 09:56, 20 January 2015 (EST)

== My Approach to the Categorization Problem ==

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Here is what I'll do when I encounter nonsensical categories:
*I will delete them - once.
*I will explain the deletion on the talk-page.
If the categories are reintroduced, so be it.

In this case, I deleted [[:Category : Science Fiction]] (already covered by [[:Category:Science Fiction Authors]]), [[:Category : Dystopian Fiction]] (covered by [[:Category : Dystopian Fiction Authors]], and [[:Category : Libertarianism]] (covered by [[:Category : Libertarian Authors]]). --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:41, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:Enjoy your preoccupation with category tags and your blocking powers while you can. Because they are both coming to an end! You were warned Category Tag Nazi! Your blitzkreig of category tag complaints will soon be kaput! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:00, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::[[User:Conservative]], you are insulting me. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:04, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:::You are being inhospitable to new editors and needlessly contentious. I have had it. I asked the owner of the website to strip you of your blocking powers. I believe Karajou agrees with me on this matter. I am not going to discuss this matter with you anymore because it is obvious that I am talking to a brick wall. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:32, 16 January 2015 (EST)

It will be very ironic to be punished for something which should be so uncontroversial as the first rule of categorization: ''nothing should be [in]* a category and [at the same time in]* one of its (direct) super/sub-categories.'' Andy often emphasizes the importance of logic for this site, so it is very surprising that he'll enforce (as you, [[User:Conservative]] imply) illogical categorization!

It is really not rocket-science: R. Heinlein was an author who wrote science-fiction - thereby he belongs into [[:category:Science Fiction Authors]]. He doesn't belong into [[:category:Science Fiction]], as any reader who looks at [[:category:Science Fiction]] will be surprised that he obviously doesn't fit in a subcategory....

OTOH [[:category:Best Selling Authors]] should not be a sub-category of [[:category:Science Fiction Authors]] (as it is now), as it includes authors like Glenn Beck and Agatha Christie... [[:category:Best Selling Authors]] is also at the moment a sub-category of [[:category:Liberal Authors]], implying that all best sellers are written by liberals...

New editors should understand logic, too! So, please, show a little bit more logic, and a little less aggression. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:34, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:Don't think listing someone as an "African" and a "African author" or a "conservative" and "conservative author" is the end of the world. This is especially true for small categories. I abridged the manual of style. Wsacht's endless fussing which sometimes was petty was tiresome. So is yours. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:54, 16 January 2015 (EST)</div>
(*: edited for clarification)

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:42, 17 January 2015 (EST)
== Biblical creationism will be strong in 2015 ==

See: [[Essay: Biblical creationism will be strong in 2015]].

Stronger, higher, faster! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:46, 17 January 2015 (EST)

:Hey, another prediction! Go, Team Conservative! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:43, 18 January 2015 (EST)

== Jawohl? ==

Some German character traits mentioned by the the Schnitzel Republic: Stubbornness, efficiency/economical and constructive creativeness.[http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html]

[[Essay: What if I fail?]]

There is a little bit of German in every great champion? Jawohl? :)

You will do your category tags right. We must have order! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:34, 20 January 2015 (EST)

:One of the most childish comments I've read on Conservapeida. Shouldn't an administrator of Conservapedia, someone who represents this site, stand above mocking ordinary editors? Not everything can be excused by your relative youth: you are a member of this site for nearly eight years - so, even if you have started as a high-school pupil, you should have finished college by now. Start to act the part!

:I haven't read your essay yet: is it about failed predictions? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:11, 20 January 2015 (EST)
::What failed predictions? Could you be more specific? We both know that you cannot! Define the word "soon" taking into account Christian patience and persistence and not worldly impatience! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:31, 20 January 2015 (EST)
:::You are sounding like Bill Clinton: "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is". --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:36, 20 January 2015 (EST)

:::From the [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soon Merriam Webster]:

:::{|
|<div style="margin: 10px; padding: 10px; background-color: lightgreen">
#''obsolete'': at once : immediately
#without undue time lapse : before long [soon after sunrise]
#in a prompt manner : speedily [as soon as possible] [the sooner the better] [no sooner said than done]
#''archaic'' : before the usual time
#''in agreement with one's choice or preference'': willingly [I'd just as soon walk as drive]
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|}
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:47, 20 January 2015 (EST)
Feel free to demonstrate there has been a undue time lapse. Something you have never done! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:57, 20 January 2015 (EST)

=== The ''Question evolution! campaign booklet'' Saga ===

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|50 page Question Evolution! booklet. Question Evolution! Campaign runaway train is going to be released
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120215050509/http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page Feb 15, 2012]
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|A Question evolution! campaign group now has 3 writers and at least 3 Question Evolution! booklets/books will be coming out. Some of the booklets/books will be designed for young people.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120501184006/http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page May 1, 2012]
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|A 15 questions for evolutionists booklet and book for middle school students will soon be coming out and they are going to be heavily promoted and distributed.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120619134057/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jun 19,2012]
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|SS Evolution! passengers get on your life jackets! A barrage of 100+ page Question evolution! campaign booklet torpedoes is headed your way!
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120919002949/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Sep 19, 2012]
|-
|The Question evolution! book for middle school students, edited by a Christian apologist, gains in popularity.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20130711205854/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jul 11, 2013]
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|Canadian teacher at a Christian school will be serving as a science editor of the Question evolution! campaign book for middle school students.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20130718204401/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jul 18, 2013]
|}

'''Three years ago''': ''the booklet is going to be released'', '''two and a half year ago''': ''it will soon be coming out'', '''two years ago''': ''it is headed your way!'', '''one and a half year ago''': ''it gains in popularity''. Yeah, that's an "''undue time lapse''", as nothing has happened!

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:08, 20 January 2015 (EST)
: A few things:

:First an excerpt from some writer: "It’s taken almost five more years of hard work, and plenty of rejection, to get to the point where I’m happy to let something mellow in a drawer for a while before sending it out, or where I can stand the (admittedly) long wait times it takes to hear back from literary journals."[http://goinswriter.com/patience/] Another excerpt from a writer: "My CP [critique partner] wrote and worked and studied for TEN YEARS before getting published."[http://www.charissaweaks.com/2013/06/a-writers-most-important-lesson-patience.html] Good writing takes time. Next time you feel yourself being impatient about various announcements of events happening soon, see it as an exercise in patience. It would also be helpful, if you had something to pass the time. Why don't you work on providing satisfactory answers to the [http://creation.com/15-questions 15 questions for evolutions]. That is something you never did!

:We have been sparring about creation/evolution and wiki matters for awhile. I thought my recent post which featured a post from blog which focuses on German culture/Germany was funny and so did my friend who is of German descent. You did not find it humorous. Given your recent bout of ill humor and my recent schedule demands, I think it is best if I largely take a break from sparring with you on talk pages. No hard feelings on my part. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:43, 20 January 2015 (EST)

First, let me say what a pleasure it is to visit once agin with my favorite two people, this time in August's house. The view from your front window is specactular, and your music collection is most impressive. (I'd like to meet in Cons's house next time, but he keeps it locked. He has a front entryway, but he keeps burning it down.)

Now Cons, I'd like to talk to you about offensive national stereotypes. This is serious, and I'd like you to pay attention. Really. I apologize if this comes across as mindless "political correctness", but I'm serious.

I spent a fair amount of time this morning reading a number of web pages and other sources about what "wohl" and "Ja wohl" really mean. It's a very complicated and nuanced word. Google translate says "well", in the health sense, along with "probably", "perhaps", "possibly", etc. The Harper-Collins ''German Concise Dictionary'' (it's anything but concise!) lists it as a "Schlüsselwort" (key word, important word) and gives many meanings, including "comfortable" and "at ease", along with a great number of idioms, such as "er weiß das sehr wohl" -- "he knows that perfectly well". (But they've gotten rid of the "ß", haven't they?) The combination "Ja wohl" means "yes emphatically" or "yes certainly". As a response to a request it begins to take on the meaning that you seem to ascribe to it, from watching ''Hogan's Heros'' and various other silly World War II things: "Yes, sir!" or "I'll do it right away!"

There are web pages that go into detail about its "Yes, sir!" meaning in the military, and the fact that many Americans associate that with the Nazi era.

I've read the "Schnitzelrepublic" web page. It was well-written, light-hearted, and affectionate. But I don't think you have used the term in a light-hearted way with AugustO. Please remember that people can easily be offended by thoughtless national stereotypes, especially when those stereotypes are informed by a ''Hogan's Heros'' mentality. And please remember that the Nazi era was not a pleasant time, for Germany or anyone else, and try to make more erudite (love that word!) and well-thought-out comments.

That said, I'm sure AugustO is very efficient. :-)

Now you two can go back to fighting over what "soon" means, especially in the context of saying just when a booklet will be coming out. Three years is a long time to wait, but I'm sure it will be worth the wait. Idea: Cons, why don't you promise not to block either of us until the booklet comes out?

One more thing: August: can you send me a usable email address? I will not divulge it to anyone else without your permission. My email is at the top of my user page.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:52, 21 January 2015 (EST)
::::''Hi - A[...] O[...] --EOM'' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:08, 21 January 2015 (EST)
::I think we're all glad to hear that the RMS ''Creationist'' is plowing full-steam ahead into the iceberg of Darwinism.--[[User:DonnyC|DonnyC]] 22:44, 20 January 2015 (EST)
:::That literally made me laugh out loud, something which the internet rarely accomplishes. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:52, 21 January 2015 (EST)

'''@User:Conservative:''' Interesting quotes. I'm missing the part where they are telling you ''oh, you must announce your book first, and then start to write it!'' BTW: I don't see your announcements as ''exercises in patience'', I see them as ''misleading advertising''. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:16, 21 January 2015 (EST)

== Speaking of predictions ==

Looking at Recent Changes this morning, I saw that JoeyJ has deleted a very interesting talk page. (The corresponding article page had been deleted by AddisonDM a few years earlier.)

The pages are
:*[[User:Conservative/Gentlemen-the-anti-evolution-D-Days-are-going-to-be-happening-the-first-quarter-of-the-calendar-year-of-2009]]
:*[[User_talk:Conservative/Gentlemen-the-anti-evolution-D-Days-are-going-to-be-happening-the-first-quarter-of-the-calendar-year-of-2009]]
:The talk page had contained this question from EddyJ:
:*"How did the D Days of the first quarter of the calendar year of 2009 work out? Almost five years later, is evolution still around?"

This brings up the question: Just how ''did'' those D-Days turn out? Is evolution still around 6 years later?

And, speaking of predictions, a question was raised a few months back (too lazy too look it up; I'm sure you know what I'm talking about) along the lines of "Evolutionists: Beware the Ides of March". Well, that date is coming up real soon now. Can the author tell me just what I'm supposed to be afraid of?

This is not the first year that dire predictions have been made for the Ides of March. In none of the past cases am I aware that the predicted doom came to pass. Can someone tell me what I missed? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 13:33, 22 February 2015 (EST)

== User talk:OGSMEDIA ==

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''content created by User:Wschact, User:AugustO and subject to Conservapedia's copyright policy''

{{welcome|OGSMEDIA}}--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:10, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Unfortunately, OGS Media sounds like the advertising department of "Offgrid Survival"... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:10, 16 January 2015 (EST)
: Could you please explain your relationship to Off Grid Survival Media? Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 14:31, 20 January 2015 (EST)</div>

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:18, 20 January 2015 (EST)

== @User:Conservative: NOTE to Fellow Editors and Admins ==

(As usual [[User talk:Conservative]] is protected, otherwise I'd bring up this topic over there)

User:Conservative, you have deleted [[Talk:Gardening]] and [[Talk:Yoga]], presumably to get rid of [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]]'s announcement:
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|'''NOTE to Fellow Editors and Admins:''' Please note that I am a trained (both in Asia and the USA) and certified professional practitioner / subject matter expert in the field of Complementary medicine / [[Alternative medicine]], particularly [[Traditional Chinese medicine]]-[[Acupuncture]], [[Ayurvedic medicine]] and [[nutrition]] for the last 19 years.

'''I am a also a life-long [[gardener]] who is certified in [[Permaculture]] [[gardening]] (completed a [[Permaculture design course]] ([[PDC]])'''

Through the month of December 2014 and January 2015, I am working many hours per week on editing Conservapedia. For specifically on a collapsible "See Also" navigation template for the diverse topics of the [[Alternative medicine]], [[First aid]], [[Permaculture]] [[gardening]], [[Firearms]], [[:Category:Survivalism|Emergency preparedness]] and [[Amateur radio]] articles I am also working on and articles on related topics.

I will also be working on the Categories for all of these Alternative medicine topics and related [[Healthcare]], [[Cooking]] and Nutrition categories and items such as [[spices]] (which are related to [[health]] and nutrition)

So, I please request your patience in considering not deleting articles or content I have submitted in these subject areas without first discussing it on the Talk Page and letting me know on my User Page, if you would be so kind.

Also, please note that I plan to rapidly submit articles for the "red links". Thank you for your patience.
|}

Do you intend to get rid of it on pages like the following, too?

*[[Talk:Permaculture design course]]
*[[Talk:First aid]]
*[[Talk:Hugelkultur]]

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:07, 3 February 2015 (EST)
:You can delete the alternative medicine entries. That was agreed on.

:Keep the material related to conservatism, survivalism, amateur radio, preparedness, guns, cooking, first aid, permaculture, etc.

:Much of the talk page additions by TAR were related to Wsacht hounding. They were "preemptive strikes/justifications/defenses". That is why I deleted those TAR article talk pages. The Wasacht hounding issue appears to be solved. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:21, 3 February 2015 (EST)
::We seem to have quite different ideas of "hounding". Well, I leave it for now... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:44, 3 February 2015 (EST)
:::I got [[User:JoeyJ]] page deletion rights. Please ask him to delete any unnecessary talk pages that were created during the TAR/Wsacht feud. You can put the deletion tags on them and JoeyJ can delete them.

:::I am guessing TAR will be back within 1-14 days based on my recent communication with him. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:19, 3 February 2015 (EST)

::::Thanks, but it is a tedious task, and I think, I've done my share. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:35, 3 February 2015 (EST)

== Evolutionary belief in Germany: Its future in Germany is kaput! And you still can't satisfactorily answer the 15 questions for evolutionists ==

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I just read this:

Reporter David Wroe adds, “Creationism—the belief that Genesis and other books of the Bible explain life on Earth—is gaining strength in Germany.” He cites a recent University of Dortmund survey that showed that around a fifth of future teachers and a similar proportion of those who had studied basic biology doubted evolution, along with one in eleven who were studying for a higher degree in biology. Meanwhile, private Christian schools are growing more popular, half of which are represented by the creation-promoting Association of Evangelical Schools. Even evolutionist Dittmar Graf says he is “really sure that the percentage of Germans who doubt evolution is going up and up.” Source: [https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/creation-in-germany/ Creationism in Germany, 2009]

On March 17, 2014, the news website ''Deutsche Well'' reported that evangelical Christianity has doubled in [[Germany]] in the last 10 years.[http://www.dw.de/ghanaian-pastor-seeks-to-re-christianize-germany/a-17501259]

And you still cannot satisfactorily answer the [https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/creation-in-germany/ 15 questions] for evolutionists! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:48, 12 February 2015 (EST)</div>

Thank you for the interesting links - no need to erase them! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:59, 16 February 2015 (EST)

:Oh Cons! Did you [[memory hole]] your edit of 04:48, 12 February? Shame on you! Bad, naughty Cons! You know better than to do that. For your penance, I'd like you to make 77 edits to the "Atheism vs. Islam" article, within the space of 10 hours. Oh, I see you already did that. Good. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:25, 17 February 2015 (EST)

== Reading the Bible in Koine Greek ==

My friend is going to learn Koine Greek in order to be able to read the New Testament in its original language. Are you able to do that now fluently?

Do you own an English version of a Bible? If so, what English version do you like? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:30, 18 February 2015 (EST)

:User:Conservative, a short time ago, you wrote that you do not talk about your personal affairs. So, why should I? Unless, we make it a little ''quid pro quo'':
:*How is your Greek?
:*Which version of the Bible do you own? What English version of the Bible do you like?
:I'll answer your questions ''after'' you have answered the questions above. Otherwise I'm quite willing to tell you about the experiences a friend of mine had with the Greek language.
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:43, 18 February 2015 (EST)
::An editor using the User: Conservative account would like to take you up on your offer in this manner, answer your questions in relation to English versions of the Bible (any non-English versions will not be included) and of course I will answer the Greek question too. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:47, 25 March 2015 (EDT)

:::I'm confused: is this secondary user of your account the friend you spoke about? Are you, the main user, interested in Greek? Never mind, I'm waiting for your answers:
:::*How is your Greek?
:::*Which version of the Bible do you own? What English version of the Bible do you like?
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]]
My knowledge of Koine Greek is poor. It consists of just a few words learned through sermons (for example, the words agape, phileo, eros, [http://www.gotquestions.org/dunamis-meaning.html dunamis], etc. etc.).

I own these versions: NASB, NKJV, KJV, J.B Phillips translation of the New Testament and the NIV (not a big fan of the NIV).

Except for the NIV, I like all of the versions of the Bible I own. Each one has its own flavor. I also like the Berkeley Version and this [http://www.genevabible.com/ new version of the Geneva Bible]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:36, 26 March 2015 (EDT)

:*I got my [[Graecum]] at school, after learning classical Greek for four years. At university, I took a course in ''Bibelgriechisch'' (Greek of the Bible / Koine Greek). So, I'm able to ''translate'' verses, but would have trouble to make polite conversation with the Apostle Matthew.... To understand the subtleties of the texts, I have to consult commentaries.
:*No, I don't own a hard-copy of an English version of the Bible, but thanks to the internet, I can read many versions. In German, I prefer the Lutherbibel, and the first English version I look up is always the [[KJB]].
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:34, 28 March 2015 (EDT)
::Thanks. I am torn between doing Bible memorization and learning Koine Greek. I may do both, but probably just one in the short term given the number of various projects I have committed myself to.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:54, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

:::I've great respect for those who know large portions of the Bible by heart because they studied it, preached about it, used it - and every Christian should know at least some verses!
:::OTOH, memorizing the Bible for its own sake doesn't strike me as an intellectual endeavor - any third-rate actor should be able to do so. In my experience, those who have memorized it for its own sake are a lot like vegans - it is one of the first things about themselves they bring up in any conversation....
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:29, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
Some branches of psychology are pseudosciences and laymen are able to do just as well as trained professionals. At the same time, cognitive psychology is very useful and helps with such things as designing airplane cockpit instrument panels and increase people's intellectual abilities. [http://www.amazon.com/Your-Memory-How-Works-Improve/dp/1569246297 This book] shows people how to boost their memory by about 40-60% or more using various memory techniques and I believe it was written by a cognitive psychologist. The figures of 40-60% or more is based on experimental evidence. I plan on learning these techniques this year.

[http://www.amazon.com/How-Read-Book-Intelligent-Touchstone/dp/0671212095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417944498&sr=8-1&keywords=how+to+read+a+book This book], written by the well-known educator/philosopher Mortimer Adler, which sold over 500,000 books and is considered a classic, shows people how to increase their reading comprehension and a website I visited highly recommended this book and I plan on reading it this year.

After all is said and done, in order to better study/apply information, you need to be able to comprehend it and recall it. So memorization/comprehension are fundamental skills worth enhancing as they increase your efficiency/speed of learning. And part of that process can certainly include practicing new memory skills.

The Book of Daniel noted that knowledge will increase in the end times and we live at a time of a knowledge explosion in many respects so these skills are very useful now. I am a big believer in lifelong learning and chided my friend who recently said she was too old to learn. I told her that the mind is like a muscle and if you don't exercise it you will stagnate.

Lastly, I believe there are benefits of taking time to memorizing Scripture and some of them are given below.

:Fine, then do so. Please inform me ''after'' you have completed this task. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:28, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
::Actually, after I finished my university education, I took some college courses and in one of them I memorized Scripture. So I already started the process.

::Second, there is an additional thing I wanted to say: "Overlearning is the repeated practice of a skill or study of material to further strengthen memory and performance. Rehearsal enhances performance past the initial point of learning because the neural processes involved become more efficient and recall speed improves."[http://www.alleydog.com/glossary/definition.php?term=Overlearning] One of the key concepts of learning is learning through repetition and memorization involves repetition. It also causes saturation of learning and saturation can increase your depth of understanding and saturation of learning [http://www.ez3dbiz.com/ez_creativity.html has been linked to increased creativity] (You can better creatively apply your knowledge).

::Another key point is that at times of temptation, it helps if something is second nature to you. Martial artists repeat movements over and over and over and so things become second nature. So they can perform movements without even thinking about it so to speak. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:47, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

:::Good for you. I just think that learning a language is a more enriching task. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:49, 2 April 2015 (EDT)

=== Benefits of memorizing Scripture ===

*[http://sukofamily.org/?p=1434 Benefits of memorizing Scripture]

*[http://www.examiner.com/article/the-benefits-of-memorizing-scripture Benefits of memorizing Scripture - Examiner]

*[http://www.weirdunsocializedhomeschoolers.com/scripture-memory/ Scripture memory box]

I agree with this person who said:

"The perceived value of memorizing scripture, or of memorizing anything for that matter, has fallen on hard times in recent years. Trends in education, and the pervasive belief that memorization is simply a rote practice that has no real impact on true learning, have relegated memorization to an outdated, dusty tool. However, in dismissing the value of memorization, we have lost the practice of internalizing things that are worth keeping and pondering.

Memorization, whether of poetry, a favorite quote or of Scripture, allows you to reflect on the meaning of words repeatedly and in depth. The ultimate goal of memorization is not to regurgitate a thought for the sake of that accomplishment alone, but to allow the words to affect your thinking and your perspective. People who memorize poetry tend to do so because the words carry message that resonates with them."[http://www.examiner.com/article/the-benefits-of-memorizing-scripture]

"Scripture Memorization Works:

Every time we think a thought, including when we memorize and meditate on scripture, our brains are changed. Dr. Amen, a clinical neuroscientist and psychiatrist and author of Making a Good Brain Great, says, “Every time you have a thought your brain releases chemicals. ... Your thoughts
... positive or negative ... make you feel good or they make you feel bad.” What you read and what you say to yourself, changes ever so slightly the neuropathways of your brain and that, in turn, influences your attitudes, behaviors, and emotions. Scripture memorization allows you to choose words and images that shape your mind and heart. It works in us even when we are not conscious of its doing so." For more information please see: [http://mcswichita.net/Teaching/006-ScriptureMemorization&Meditation-JT.pdf SCRIPTURE MEMORIZATION & MEDITATION by By Pastor Jerry Truex] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:21, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

== Recent news report about creationism in Germany/Europe ==

[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2015/03/science-nordic-5-year-study-shows.html Science Nordic: Creationism is spreading in Europe/Germany]

:''Yes, my evolutionist friends, even in the atheistic Netherlands some schools are now teaching creationism! '' You don't know much about the Netherlands, do you? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:43, 15 March 2015 (EDT)

== Spoiling for a fight? ==

No, I'm not. I've avoided Conservapedia for a couple of weeks, and I tried not to get sucked into any debates. But - as usual - I cannot let Andy Schlafly's ''"attempts"'' on translating the Bible (see [[User_talk:Aschlafly#The_Son_of_God]] and [[Son of Man]]) stand without protest. So, here I am again, going through my watchlist, addressing points I've missed (perhaps a little bit more curmudgeonly than necessary, but I'm irked). --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:06, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
:Do you think you are going to change Schlafly's view on the authorship of Hebrews or that he will cause you to adopt his view? Do you think you are going to change other people's minds about this matter? When I saw your recent edits (including the talk page comment directed towards me), the most reasonable explanation is "spoiling for a fight". [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:50, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
:::When I started at Conservapedia four years ago, I thought that one could have interesting discussion on Biblical Greek and gain insights by joined translations. Unfortunately, now I have to admit that this was just wishful thinking: it is the other way round. At first, you have an '''''insight''''' by A. Schlafly, and then, everything, even God's Word is bend to fit the insight.
::"Fourth, argumentative. This one.....some folks might argue about (get it?). Germans can find a thousand things to argue about. It could be one guy planting shrubs of a disliked nature that the neighbor can't stand. It could be the act of cranking your car for two minutes in winter to warm it up. One minute of such a cranking would be tolerated, but not two, and thus inviting an argument sooner or later."[http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html] - taken from the essay'' The Seven Personality Traits of a German'' posted at the blog Schnitzel Republic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:53, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
:::Spouting national stereotypes is certainly an excellent way to calm down your interlocutors.
:::But yes, when I spot litter, I pick it up. When I see a rubbish translation based only on a dubious insight, I argue against it. I won't get a clean world, I won't improve the CBP very much (it is just abysmal). But I try. ''Deutsch sein heißt, eine Sache um ihrer selbst willen zu tun.'' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:12, 15 March 2015 (EDT)

== Categories again ==

This page is so fascinating! I hadn't looked at it for a while.

I have made a small edit to [[Power plant]], in keeping with my vision of categories for electrical things. See [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Alternating_Current_%28AC%29&action=historysubmit&diff=1146349&oldid=1146319] and [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Direct_current&action=historysubmit&diff=1146350&oldid=1146317] for what I've done on those two articles. Feel free to change or revert, of course; I trust your judgment.

My attempts to clean up the mess, both in content and in categories, that is the electricity/electronics material here at CP, got bogged down, of course. So much to do! I may tackle some more of it when I have the time. Much of that mess is ''not'' due to TAR.

In answer to your metaphysical question, he may have taken his own advice, bought as many guns as he could afford (that's in one of his pages somewhere), cashing in his life savings to do it, and moved to someplace in the Northwestern United States, with only his amateur radio rig for communications. As far as I know, Conservapedia has no amateur-radio-connected editing server.

Always a pleasure to talk with you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 12:14, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

== re: User:TheAmericanRedoubt ==

You wrote: [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] has edited Conservapedia two months ago for the last time. Will he be back? What happens to the plethora of red links in the meantime? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:38, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
=== My response ===
I got in contact with [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] and he is going to start editing Conservapedia again probably sometime in September of 2015. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:22, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
:That is a little bit unsettling... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 20:27, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
::He's on some kind of secret project/mission that only Cons knows about. See [[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#The_American_Redoubt]]. I'm sure that, when he comes back, his collegial and cooperative attitude will be such that we will all welcome him back as a valued collaborator. So please be patient. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 21:13, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
:::Try to think of all the red links that will be filled in. The red links being filled in will cause the wiki to look more tidy and orderly - more germanic. :) If he does a superb job, then the level of tidiness and orderliness added to the wiki may even surpass germanic levels and reach Swiss levels.[http://www.dw.de/germans-and-hygiene/a-16459423] :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:50, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
::::[Just back from washing my hands—seriously!—after reading the above article.] I'm not planning to wait for the end of his secret mission. In fact, I've been working at cleaning up the ridiculously disordered redlinks, inappropriate categories, and just general horribleness that TAR has left behind. After reading the above essay, I can't believe that TAR is German or Swiss. More like (no, I won't put in an obnoxious national stereotype here.) And I intend to continue cleaning it up. I trust that AugustO will set an example for all of us. I'm only a small part German. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:13, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
SamHB, clean up you user page which is at [[User:SamHB|SamHB]]. Try to make it more like [[User:Conservative|User: Conservatism]] in its crisp design, simplistic beauty and austere nature. :) Start by removing all the unsightly "crossed out" font on your user page.

"Let everyone sweep in front of his own door, and the whole world will be clean." - Johann Wolfgang Goethe. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:42, 7 June 2015 (EDT)

:Well played, Cons! OK, I will see what I can do about cleaning that up. The multivariable calculus stuff is way obsolete. But maybe it should stay, as a permanent record of my life here. And maybe the crossed out "I can help you; on second thought I can't" garbage should go. But my user page will never have the "crisp design, simplistic beauty and austere nature" (you ''do'' have a way with words!) of yours, for a few reasons:
:*My life at CP, like my life in the real world, is complex and messy. As an example, I've been blocked about 13 times, depending on exactly how you count. (All of them wrongly, but I'm not going to argue that.) It's only in the last couple of years that I seem to have earned enough respect from the admins (yes, even you!) that I don't feel like a criminal all the time. It really does affect one's outlook, and hence one's user page.
:*I don't have the luxury of locking both my user page and talk page, and living behind a cloak of simplicity. You put all your entropy in the various subpages of your user page, like all the music stuff. Doing that just isn't for me.
:*And, of course, you put all your entropy in the "atheism and canoe paddles" articles. (Quick challenge: Come up with a witty reply. Extra points if you can do it without referring to being up the creek without one.)
:*I put my efforts into clean, elegant, and correct pages in mainspace, especially in the math and science area. That's what all the home-schoolers are going to come for, right?
Be that as it may, I will think about making my user page cleaner. But not cleaner than the reality of my life.
:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 23:40, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
::SamHB, a [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Atheism_Project&curid=132852&diff=1157706&oldid=1157355 message] for you. June/July of 2015 are going to be very BAD months for atheism. TERRIBLE things will befall its kingdom. The [[Desecularization|TREND]] is clear and the [http://conservativetriumphs.blogspot.com/2015/03/attention-atheists-google-trends.html writing is on the wall]. Weep and wail militant atheists. Atheism is doomed! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:08, 8 June 2015 (EDT)

== How dare you to call your attempts "translation"? ==

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'''How dare you to call your attempts "translation"?'''

Andy, I have criticized your lack of knowledge already above in the section [[#The Son of God]]. Reading [[Essay:Calming the Storm]], I see that you are not even capable of recognizing that εἶπεν is a conjugated form of λέγω (''"... But "λέγω" -- the Greek term used for said in some versions -- does not appear in the Greek above"''). This shows such a lack of basic skills in even reading Greek! And at the same time you are [[Linguistic Bias of Bible Translations|implying]] that you have a special understanding of the "scientific terminology" which was used in the Bible, giving you perhaps a better understanding of the text than [[James Strong]] had!

''How dare you to call your actions a translation?'' You are not able to translate one verse from scratch! A more honest term would be "inspired ramblings"! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:54, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

'''Plea'''

Andy, please, please, address [[Talk:Essay:Calming_the_Storm#Andy.2C_it.27s_your_essay.2C_correct_your_mistakes.2C_please|these problems]]! Please! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:15, 21 June 2015 (EDT)</div>

== an article relating to religion in Germany ==

I thought you might be interested in this article:

[http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/06/03/are-evangelicals-winning-the-world/ Are Evangelicals Winning the World? Why are parts of Germany formerly under the enforced secularism of the Communist party rediscovering charismatic religion?] by [[Peter L. Berger]], ''The American Interest'', June 3, 2015 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:46, 2 July 2015 (EDT)

== Just checking :-) ==

*x: <math>x</math>
*x^2: <math>x^2</math>
*x^2_1: <math>x^2_1</math>
*\frac{x}{y}: <math>\frac{x}{y}</math>
*\hat{x}: <math>\hat{x}</math>

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 09:43, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

:Bravo! It works!!! Praise the [[Lord]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:37, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

::Thanks for your work: ''hilf Dir selbst, dann hilft Dir Gott!'' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:22, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== Problem fixed ==

Thanks for alerting me to the problem via the block. The problem has been fixed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:11, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

:It felt strange, but I'm glad that it worked :-) --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:23, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

::Clever. Thanks again.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:27, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== Wonderful ==

Wonderful improvements to the "span" locations!!!!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:30, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
:You're welcome! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:33, 30 August 2015 (EDT)

== Quick note ==

I misread the message by GregG on Andy's talk page. Had I read the message more carefully, I would have let Andy respond without any commentary from myself.

I do agree with you about vaccinations not causing autism. At the same time, I do think it is good that the public puts pressure on the medical community and the government so vaccines get safer over time. Given the VA Hospital scandal in the USA and health care scandals in other Western democracies, I think competition and public pressure is good for the medical sector of economies. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:18, 3 November 2015 (EST)
:Thanks - I tend to agree --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 08:37, 16 November 2015 (EST)

== The American Redoubt as a Wikipedian ==

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'''This user is a Wikipedian'''

Does anybody know which handle he uses at wikipedia? Perhaps one could contact him over there... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:31, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:: I am not a Wikipedian. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] ([[User talk:TheAmericanRedoubt|talk]]) 11:08, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:So, your status changed since [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:TheAmericanRedoubt&diff=next&oldid=1126866 Dec 28, 2014]. Was there a conflict about categorizing? ;-) --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 15:05, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:: Thanks for the reminder to remove that tag. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] ([[User talk:TheAmericanRedoubt|talk]]) 20:35, 23 January 2016 (EST)
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== re: Dinesh D'Souza material removal from one of the articles I created ==

I used to be a somewhat of a fan of Dinesh. But after his firing from King's College and his recent political activities which he got jailed for, I have soured on him. I now use his material when no other source is available (so very sparingly). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:36, 29 February 2016 (EST)

:When you start deleting content, there is always the possibility that one of your collective went rogue: therefore, you should explain such deletions! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 16:17, 4 March 2016 (EST)

== re: Conservatve2 account ==

I created the Conservatve2 account because I was at a friend's residence and I did not have the password for User: Conservative readily available. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:36, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

== Silence speaks volumes ==

The phrase is "Silence speaks volumes" in the plural. The multiple "volumes" being referred to are the volumes of a large encyclopedia. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to, ummmm, clean that up.

Your use of the idiom "went missing" was exactly on target. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 17:58, 7 April 2016 (EDT)

:"Silence speaks volumes" or "the lady doth protest too much, methinks" - it's always one or the other.... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 11:17, 8 April 2016 (EDT)

== re: German comments ==

Recently, I listened to some music by Beethoven. After listening to the music, I thought of the various important contributions of Germans. For example, Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation.

I know I did some good-natured ribbing about the Germans, but looking back I regret doing so.

Europe is facing a lot of problems right now. Hopefully, German Christians will help soften some the blow of some of the past mistakes Europeans committed which are starting to cause some significant problems (see: [http://evangelicalfocus.com/blogs/838/Europes_crisis_Gods_opportunity Europe’s crisis. God’s opportunity]). For example, recently I read that many Moslem immigrants to Europe are converting to Christianity (or pretending to) and some churches are taking a pro-active stance on this issue and actively engaging in evangelism efforts. [http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/25/why-are-so-many-muslim-refugees-in-europe-suddenly-finding-jesus.html] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:54, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

:Thanks - though our views on "good-natured ribbing" differ considerably. I wish you the very best for your off-wiki endeavours which you have mentioned quite a lot over the last weeks. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 03:47, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
::I think you are right about some of my comments, but I know at least my Hogan's Hero's comments were good-natured. I also know that I always had a measure of respect for Germanic culture. One of my teachers said that Germans have done some of the greatest things that humanity has ever accomplished and some of the worst things. I think that is a fair statement. When you have a culture which has a good degree of self-discipline you can put that discipline to good uses or bad uses. I do think Europe's economy would be in much worse shape if it weren't for the Germans.

::As far as contemporary Germany, I am not a fan of flooding Europe with Muslims and I think boosting Europe's fertility rate would be a better solution, but I will admit that the insisting that the new immigrants learn the native language (German) and making greater efforts at work placement is a lot better than than the French/Swedish immigration model. But with the New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Colgne, Germany tell me that this is not an optimal solution. I guess Merkel and German businessman are in a difficult situation given the labor demand for German industry. I think making greater efforts to bring in more Christian immigrants would be a better solution as far as short-term solutions.

::I think Europe needs to adopt a more Christian worldview. The agnostic professor [[Eric Kaufmann]] said that boosting fertility rates though public policy has had mixed success as far as countries that have tried this if memory serves, but I can't precisely recall all his public statements that I have heard.[https://books.google.com/books?id=E3X4CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=%22eric+kaufmann%22+fertility+france&source=bl&ots=sjy2t0PxhI&sig=98Kda6TclDBWelMexgT5lPxsjrQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjoj9SAwI7NAhUJNT4KHVnjCGkQ6AEIQTAF#v=onepage&q=%22eric%20kaufmann%22%20fertility%20france&f=false]

::Anyways, the world seems to be changing at a faster pace and I expect there to be some very significant changes in the next 20-25 years or so (robotics, failing welfare states, [[desecularization]], people are probably going to be forced to retire later, increased culture clash as far as Western values and Islamic culture, etc, etc.). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:55, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
I was just thinking about one of my previous statements. Given robotics and potential changes in terms of energy technology, I am not sure what is going to happen as far as the work/leisure equation. I think the world is more complex and being a futurist is a harder job as societies are going into more uncharted territories. For example, [[Gerald Celente]] of the Trends Institute has probably been one of the better futurists over his lifetime, but in recent years he has had some significant failures in terms of his predictions. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:07, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
==Happy New Year==
We've missed you and wish you all the best for 2017! [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:35, 16 January 2017 (EST)
:Thanks! Best wishes for you, too! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 05:16, 18 January 2017 (EST)

== Why don't you stop working on the CBP? ==

Why don't you stop working on the CBP?

I gave some reasonable criticisms of the project including one that I just added that you probably agree with relating to original intent of the authors (see the Conservative Bible Project talk page).

The CBP has a flawed design which gets in the way of original intent being adequately expressed in the translation.

On Andy's talk page I suggested you launch a new project at Conservapedia called the Open Source Bible translation Project. Please read what I posted on Andy's talk page and respond. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:47, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:If there are fake news out there, it is not enough to post the real story somewhere else - you have to confront the fake news directly. In light of [[Revelation_16-22_(Translated)#22:18|Rev 22:18-20]], this is especially important for the a fake [[Good News]].
:Furthermore, Andy's "insights" pop up as ''Gospel truth'' on articles in the main space, like [[Counterexamples to Relativity]] and [[Epistle to the Hebrews]]. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 04:56, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::Why not agree to launching a Open Source Bible translation project at Conservapedia and periodically criticize the CBP? You are never going to like the final product of the CBP. And you are never going to like co-laboring with Mr. Schlafly on the CBP.

::And if your criticism of the CBP of it being a translation that is designed to cater to the opinions of Mr. Schlafly is a sincere and valid criticism, then why would you want to work on a project which will never have wide appeal? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:20, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

*What use is it to splinter the small resources even more? And ''I'''m aware of my limitations: a story written by me in a foreign language would not appeal to an American reader.
*The interesting thing: I'm learning very much due to the CBP, e.g., I never before thought about word frequencies in the Bible other than as a mean to efficiently learn the vocabulary. I take my time to look thoroughly into things, and this way I have benefited from this ill-guided project, improved my vocabulary and my general knowledge of Greek over various time periods.
*I'm aware that I could get minuscule changed to the project by intense flattering. Unfortunately, that is not my way. So, I want to make my points so crystal clear that all but one understand my position.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 05:52, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::OK. I think I am going to obtain the newest version of the NASB. I did learn more about Bible versions as a result of the CBP. In addition, I don't think I will engage in anymore criticism of the CBP. I don't think my criticism will be received and acted on. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:16, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::*NASB? Good for you - it this the version you intend to [[#Benefits_of_memorizing_Scripture|memorize]]?
:::*You should keep an eye on the CBP - AFAIK, all editors who tried there to egg Andrew Schlafly on later turned out to be trolls.
:::*As you do not want to appear to endorse the project, I think you should register your protest from time to time.
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 06:49, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Yes, now that I know the pros and cons of the various versions, I have picked the NASB as the version I wish to memorize.

Second, I set some goals for the remainder of my life which will be very challenging to meet. I don't think I will have the luxury of keeping an eye on the CBP. Fully registering my criticisms, which I have done via the CBP talk page, will have to suffice. It comes down to priorities. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:42, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:I have been an outspoken critic of the CBP and I thought all my suggestions would be ignored. But today I was surprised by Andy taking one of my suggestions and altering one of the 10 guidelines of the CBP project. I took it upon myself to implement another change in the guidelines which I hope will stick as this issue was the second most grievous problem with the project. My suggestions are very sensible. I do endeavor to be a reasonable person and not be an unreasonable nitpicker. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:22, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== IRC ==

Hello, 
After some discussion (on [[User_talk:DavidB4#Conservapedia_IRC_channel|my talk page]] and [[User_talk:Aschlafly#IRC|Andy's]]) it has been decided that I start an [[Internet Relay Chat]] channel for Conservapedia, since our old one has been dead since 2009. It is now registered and somewhat set up. I don't know if you use IRC or are interested in doing so, but anyone with block privileges on Conservapedia can also get block privileges on the new IRC channel. Unfortunately, IRC accounts are deleted after 30 days of being unused, so unless you plan on using the IRC at least once a month, there is probably not much point in registering. In any case, feel free to try it out--if you account gets deleted, we can always make another one later. If you are interested, please let me know! 
The IRC channel is: #conservapedia @irc.accessIRC.net 
Let me know if you have any questions or need anything else, also! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:41, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

== Hey ==

We never spoke on a talk page, but I think you're the best Bible translator on this site, the very best. Don't let Conservative get away with any of his petty grammar remarks.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

== You’re Cool ==

Again, just sayin'. [[User:DaveSG|DaveSG]] ([[User talk:DaveSG|talk]]) 01:14, 24 February 2018 (EST)

== Re User:Conservative - a few matters ==

At [[User_talk:SamHB#Atheistic_Troll]], [[User:Wikignome72]] wrote:
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AugustO, a few matters: 1) I promised the author of the book/booklet that I would not discuss any details concerning the book/booklet. I am certainly not going to break that promise for the sake of some foolish evolutionists who assert a ridiculous ideology. 2) A far as my projects/operations, the web traffic to my articles speak for themselves. My key articles are receiving thousands and thousands of page views each and every month. Evidently, those projects/operations worked! 3) AugustO, now please feel free to go on with your work on that Bible Project you got involved in (A project you were unqualified for "Dr. Augusto - Professor Emeritus of Greek and Hebrew literature!").09:26, 30 September 2019 (EDT)
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He did not sign his text (Sun Tzu?!). I wanted to address his points, but was afraid that it would make an already hard-to-read section even more unseemly.

#Wow. For me, it was just another much-touted project which failed to come to fruition. But promise? Perhaps even to a maiden? I was not aware that a damsel-in-distress-situation would be involved - please, by all means, carry on (on your very high horse), and ignore the mere mortals who dare to address the subject (and will keep on doing so for the next decades)
#Congratulations. By this standard, your operations worked nearly as well as cute videos of kittens at youtube.
#Indeed, the [[Conservapedia Bible Project]] became my ''raison d’être'' on this site. But I'm not Martin Luther: I could never translate the Greek New Testament into German - even less so into English - my Greek is just not good enough. Neither is my English (and I have no knowledge of Hebrew) But I'm qualified enough to spot the most egregious errors made by those who are even less qualified than me! Sometimes I nearly despair when I read the ''Fieberträume'' of those who had little Greek twelve years ago, and did not improve their skills over more than a decade! (see, e.g. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Devil&diff=186037&oldid=55279])

Sometimes I wonder what Conservapedia could have become - with a steady influx of home-schooled pupils, or if some lecturers at Liberty University had encourage their students to improve certain articles. President Trump may have even linked to those articles! But as we say in German ''Der Zug ist abgefahren''. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:08, 30 September 2019 (EDT)

==Science and the rational mind==
You will recall, science has replaced God in the rational mind. Highlighting the important contributions to science by Dr. Mengele and Jeffrey Epstein in no way diminishes the horrors of what Dr. Mengele did in the holocaust or in the field of science. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 17:54, 5 October 2019 (EDT)
:Josef Mengele killed at least 3,000 people in his twin experiments alone. How does your link not diminish these horrors? Why is it the only link? What about [[Holodomor]]? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:10, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

== Soon to be deleted ==

From [[User:Wikignome72/Thanksgiving]] :

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|style="backround-color:grey"|{{cquote|Soon, I will be using these two extensions to my main browser: Site blocker and Stayfcsd. I have decided to do the 66 day period of nonediting of CP after I finish about a 12 hour project related to CP.Wikignome72 (talk) 03:42, 27 September 2019 (EDT) }}

<nowiki>*LOL*</nowiki> --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:25, 4 November 2019 (EST)

|}

==Clean up==
I noticed quite some time ago you expressed a willingness to help clean up CP's Most Wanted Pages. We're finally taking the problem seriously. Would you be interested in helping? Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:53, August 9, 2021 (EDT)
:Interesting idea - I'll try to help. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:11, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

Template talk:Republican establishment

2021-08-09T16:05:57Z

AugustO: Created page with "How is this one of the most wanted pages? --~~~~"

How is this one of the most wanted pages? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 12:05, August 9, 2021 (EDT)

Pólya conjecture

2021-08-08T18:41:39Z

AugustO:

In 1919, the [[Hungary|Hungarian]] [[Mathematics|mathematician]] [[Georg Pólya]] made the following ''empirische Betrachtung'' (''empirical observation'')<ref>[https://zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:47.0882.06 "Verschiedene Bemerkungen zur Zahlentheorie." by 'Georg Pólya' (1919).]</ref>:
{{cquote|[D]ie Anzahl derjenigen unter den Zahlen 1,2,3,…,n, die eine gerade Anzahl von Primfaktoren haben, ist nicht größer als die Anzahl derjenigen, die eine ungerade Anzahl haben (für n≧2). }}
{{cquote|The quantity of numbers 1,2,3,…,n, having a even number of [[prime factorization|prime factor]]s is not bigger than the quantity of those having an odd number (for n≧2).}}

This statement is known as the '''Pólya conjecture'''.
==Footnotes==

Pólya conjecture

2021-08-08T18:19:19Z

AugustO:

In 1919, the [[Hungary|Hungarian]] [[Mathematics|mathematician]] [[Georg Pólya]] made the following ''empirische Betrachtung'' (''empirical observation'')<ref>[https://zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:47.0882.06 "Verschiedene Bemerkungen zur Zahlentheorie." by 'Georg Pólya' (1919).]</ref>:
{{cquote|[D]ie Anzahl derjenigen unter den Zahlen 1,2,3,…,n, die eine gerade Anzahl von Primfaktoren haben, ist nicht größer als die Anzahl derjenigen, die eine ungerade Anzahl haben (für n≧2). }}
{{cquote|The quantity of number 1,2,3,…,n, having a even number of [[prime factorization|prime factor]]s is not bigger than the quantity of those having an odd number (for n≧2).}}

This statement is known as the '''Pólya conjecture'''.
==Footnotes==

Pólya conjecture

2021-08-08T18:18:25Z

AugustO: Prime factorization

In 1919, the [[Hungary|Hungarian]] [[Mathematics|mathematician]] [[Georg Pólya]] made the following ''empirische Betrachtung'' (''empirical observation'')<ref>[https://zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:47.0882.06 "Verschiedene Bemerkungen zur Zahlentheorie." by 'Georg Pólya' (1919).]</ref>:
{{cquote|[D]ie Anzahl derjenigen unter den Zahlen 1,2,3,…,n, die eine gerade Anzahl von Primfaktoren haben, ist nicht größer als die Anzahl derjenigen, die eine ungerade Anzahl haben (für n≧2). }}
{{cquote|The quantity of number 1,2,3,…,n, having a even number of [[prime factorization|prime factor]]s is not bigger than the quantity of those having ann odd number (for n≧2).}}

==Footnotes==

Pólya conjecture

2021-08-08T18:17:23Z

AugustO: Created page with "In 1919, the Hungarian mathematician Georg Pólya made the following ''empirische Betrachtung'' (''empirical observation'')<ref>[https://zbmath..."

In 1919, the [[Hungary|Hungarian]] [[Mathematics|mathematician]] [[Georg Pólya]] made the following ''empirische Betrachtung'' (''empirical observation'')<ref>[https://zbmath.org/?format=complete&q=an:47.0882.06 "Verschiedene Bemerkungen zur Zahlentheorie." by 'Georg Pólya' (1919).]</ref>:
{{cquote|[D]ie Anzahl derjenigen unter den Zahlen 1,2,3,…,n, die eine gerade Anzahl von Primfaktoren haben, ist nicht größer als die Anzahl derjenigen, die eine ungerade Anzahl haben (für n≧2). }}
{{cquote|The quantity of number 1,2,3,…,n, having a even number of [[prime factor]]s is not bigger than the quantity of those having ann odd number (for n≧2).}}

==Footnotes==

Talk:Normal number

2021-08-08T09:21:47Z

AugustO: Created page with "== First Trillion Digits of π == Investigating the first trillion (1012) digits of π is a remarkable feat! It is humbling that we expect only t..."

== First Trillion Digits of π ==
Investigating the first trillion (1012) digits of π is a remarkable feat! It is humbling that we expect only the first 12 digits of π (314159265358) to pop up there.

There is a searchable database of the first two billion (2 x 109) digits of π: http://www.subidiom.com/pi/pi.asp

The longest occurrence in this set is the numeric string 314159265 of length 9 which appears once at the 1,660,042,751st decimal digit of π.

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 05:21, August 8, 2021 (EDT)

Normal number

2021-08-08T09:12:26Z

AugustO: pi -> π

A number is called a '''simply normal number to base 10''', if each of of the [[digit]]s {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9} appears with the same frequency in its decimal representation. Thus, the number 123,456,789/9,999,999,999 = 0.01234567890123456789... is simply normal.

This concept can be taken to other [[base]]s: 1/3 is not simply normal to base 10, but simply normal to base 2, as its [[dual expansion]] is 0.01010101...2.

A ''simply normal number to base 10'' is a '''normal number to base 10''', if not only single digits appear with the frequency of 1/10 in the long run, but each sequence of two digits {00,01,02,... ,98,99} can be found with the frequency of 1/100, each sequence of three digits with a frequency of 1/1000, and in general, each sequence of ''n'' digits will appear with a frequency of approximately 10-n when looking up more and more decimal places.

A ''simply normal number to base 10'' has to be irrational - otherwise, a sequence of digits of some given length has to repeat itself forever - while some other sequences of this length will not appear at all.

Again, this concept can be taken to other bases.

A number is called '''normal''', if it is normal for every base b. It is unproven if [[pi|π]] is a normal number, but an analysis of the first trillion digits of π suggests that it is normal.<ref>https://phys.org/news/2016-03-pi-random-full-hidden-patterns.html</ref>

==See further==
*[https://mathworld.wolfram.com/NormalNumber.html Normal Number] at [[Wolfram Math World]]

[[Category:Number Theory]]

Talk:Essay:pi contains pi

2021-08-06T21:37:34Z

AugustO: /* No one disputes that pi includes every number that has a finite representation */ being a "normal number base 10" is vital to your "proof"!

==Proof by contradiction that π does not contain π==
{|
|style="background-color:lightblue"|
#π is given as a digital expansion x0.x1x2x3x4x5...
#"finding π in π" means that there is an index n such that π starts all over again at xn
#If π starts again at n, then x0 = xn = 3, x1 = xn+1 = 1, x2 = xn+2 = 4, x3 = xn+3 = 1 and so on. "And so on" means that xk = xk+n for each natural number k, i.e.,. k ∈ N0.
#What happens if k equals n? What is the value of xn + n? According to the step above, xn + n =xn. But xn=x0=3 ! So, xn + n = xn=x0=3
#That's true for all multiples of n: if w ∈ N0, then xw n = x(w-1) n = .... = x2 n = xn = x0 = 3.
#What about xw n +k ( 0 ≤ k < n )? Again, xw n +k = x(w-1) n +k = x(w-2) n +k = x2 n +k = xn +k = xk
#So, for every natural number w and every number k with 0 ≤ k < n we have: xw n +k = xk. That makes π periodic, the length of the period is n.
#Therefore, π can be written as x0x1x2x3...xn-1 / (10n-1 -1) . But this is a rational number, and we know that π is irrational.
#We have a classical contradiction: As our result is wrong, our assumption that π is contained in π has to be wrong.
|}

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:14, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

:Your analysis above seems to assume a periodicity, which in turn assumes some kind of end point to the string of digits. But there is neither.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 20:13, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

::I don't assume periodicity, periodicity is the result of assuming that "π contains π" ... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 03:29, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

== Reddit Commentary ==
So, here are excerpts from the top three comments:
#'''*My guess is: No, it doesn't, because then it would be a repeating decimal.'''
#'''I think you're right about all of this, but it's currently unknown whether Pi contains all finite sequences of digits.'''
#'''Your proof of pi not containing itself is actually remarkably rigorous and proves that pi must not contain itself.'''

Andy, how do those make your point? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:19, August 4, 2021 (EDT)
: I'm being fair to both sides, and did not think the Reddit postings made my point.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 20:00, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

== At last Andrew Schlafly says: π does not contain π ==

"Stated another way, no one disputes that pi includes every number that has a finite representation. Thus pi includes itself in all of its increasingly precise representations, without limit, and therefore pi contains pi itself within a vanishingly small margin of error."

So, '''π does not contain &pi''', but π contains every finite approximation of π? That is nothing special: [[Emile Borel]] proved a century ago, that almost all irrational numbers are [[normal number|normal]], and therefore, almost all irrational numbers contain every finite approximation of π, ''e'', √2, etc.

The difficulty is to prove for a given number that it is normal: no one has established this for π yet.

But I thought that your claim was that π contains π as a "consecutive sequence of digits in π" or as an "infinite and unbroken sequence of digits in π". How on earth could I get such a wrong impression? Oh, that's why:
{|
|style="background-color:lightblue"|Could you explain what you mean by "pi contains pi" exactly? Usually, when looking for birthdays, you would look for a consecutive string of six numbers. And mathematicians are certain that you could find the text of "Hamlet" if you take π mod 26 as a unbroken string. That seems to be different from your idea to find pi... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 15:25, July 29, 2021 (EDT)
|-
|style="background-color:pink"|Not different at all. "Pi contains pi" means what it says: the full pi within pi. [[Infinity denial]] appears to be an obstacle here.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 16:38, July 29, 2021 (EDT)
|-
|style="background-color:lightblue"|For clarification: π containing π means that there is a consecutive sequence of digits in π (not starting from the first one) which equals π? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:07, July 29, 2021 (EDT)
|-
|style="background-color:pink"|Right, as I proved above.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 17:13, July 29, 2021 (EDT)
|-
|style="background-color:lightblue"|Sorry for being a little bit thick (or nitpicking) - perhaps I have difficulties because English isn't my first language... OTOH: mathematics is universal!

You are saying that there is a infinite and unbroken sequence of digits in the representation of π (not starting with the first significant digit) equal to π ?

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:34, July 29, 2021 (EDT)
|-
|style="background-color:pink"|Yes. Repeatedly asking for clarification of something that is clear could be the result of denial, in this case [[infinity denial]]. I don't think the disconnect has anything to do with communication in [[English]]!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:59, July 29, 2021 (EDT)
|}
Infinity denial indeed! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 03:48, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

== No one disputes that pi includes every number that has a finite representation ==

No one '''''knows''''':

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg9admPCQhI discovermaths] "Is π normal?"
*[https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Pi.html WolframMathWorld]: "''It is also known that pi is not a Liouville number (Mahler 1953), but it is not known if pi is normal to any base (Stoneham 1970).''"

It is a collective hunch that π is normal, but there is no proof (yet)! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:37, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
:The issue of whether pi is normal is interesting but seems unrelated to the issue here of whether pi contains pi.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:05, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

::Sorry to disagree - the issue is central: π has at least to be a ''normal number base 10'' to assure that all finite sequences of digits appear in its representation. Otherwise, there could be an index when π starts to look like ..010010001000010000010000001.... and so forth, with no chance to detect arbitrarily long approximations of π in it. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:37, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

== Andy, you are nearly there! ==

*"''Pi containing pi means that there will be a string of numbers that repeat themselves: from the beginning of pi to when it first begins to repeat itself, which then would repeat itself again and again.''" Indeed, that's what I have shown above in [[#Proof_by_contradiction_that_π_does_not_contain_π]]
*"''However, it is generally assumed that there are no repeating patterns in pi.''" That's not a ''general assumption'', that's a ''proven fact'': it was proved for the first time in the 1760s by a certain Johann Heinrich Lambert, and since then, many more accessible proofs have been found.

So, what happens when an assumption leads to a contradiction to a proven fact? We get a [[proof by contradiction]]! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 03:38, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
:The repetition likely won't happen until after an infinite number of digits, so this is not a problem. I've updated the essay on this point.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:01, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

::Pray, what is the index of the first occurrence of this repetition? Is it x∞ + 12 ? Or x∞ + 4125 ? Or even x2∞? How is the weather on the day after the infinite reign of God?
::For someone criticizing everybody else for their understanding of infinity, you write some weird stuff! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 11:32, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

Talk:Essay:pi contains pi

2021-08-06T15:32:53Z

AugustO: /* Andy, you are nearly there! */ For someone criticizing everybody else for their understanding of infinity, you write some...

==Proof by contradiction that π does not contain π==
{|
|style="background-color:lightblue"|
#π is given as a digital expansion x0.x1x2x3x4x5...
#"finding π in π" means that there is an index n such that π starts all over again at xn
#If π starts again at n, then x0 = xn = 3, x1 = xn+1 = 1, x2 = xn+2 = 4, x3 = xn+3 = 1 and so on. "And so on" means that xk = xk+n for each natural number k, i.e.,. k ∈ N0.
#What happens if k equals n? What is the value of xn + n? According to the step above, xn + n =xn. But xn=x0=3 ! So, xn + n = xn=x0=3
#That's true for all multiples of n: if w ∈ N0, then xw n = x(w-1) n = .... = x2 n = xn = x0 = 3.
#What about xw n +k ( 0 ≤ k < n )? Again, xw n +k = x(w-1) n +k = x(w-2) n +k = x2 n +k = xn +k = xk
#So, for every natural number w and every number k with 0 ≤ k < n we have: xw n +k = xk. That makes π periodic, the length of the period is n.
#Therefore, π can be written as x0x1x2x3...xn-1 / (10n-1 -1) . But this is a rational number, and we know that π is irrational.
#We have a classical contradiction: As our result is wrong, our assumption that π is contained in π has to be wrong.
|}

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:14, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

:Your analysis above seems to assume a periodicity, which in turn assumes some kind of end point to the string of digits. But there is neither.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 20:13, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

::I don't assume periodicity, periodicity is the result of assuming that "π contains π" ... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 03:29, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

== Reddit Commentary ==
So, here are excerpts from the top three comments:
#'''*My guess is: No, it doesn't, because then it would be a repeating decimal.'''
#'''I think you're right about all of this, but it's currently unknown whether Pi contains all finite sequences of digits.'''
#'''Your proof of pi not containing itself is actually remarkably rigorous and proves that pi must not contain itself.'''

Andy, how do those make your point? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 19:19, August 4, 2021 (EDT)
: I'm being fair to both sides, and did not think the Reddit postings made my point.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 20:00, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

== At last Andrew Schlafly says: π does not contain π ==

"Stated another way, no one disputes that pi includes every number that has a finite representation. Thus pi includes itself in all of its increasingly precise representations, without limit, and therefore pi contains pi itself within a vanishingly small margin of error."

So, '''π does not contain &pi''', but π contains every finite approximation of π? That is nothing special: [[Emile Borel]] proved a century ago, that almost all irrational numbers are [[normal number|normal]], and therefore, almost all irrational numbers contain every finite approximation of π, ''e'', √2, etc.

The difficulty is to prove for a given number that it is normal: no one has established this for π yet.

But I thought that your claim was that π contains π as a "consecutive sequence of digits in π" or as an "infinite and unbroken sequence of digits in π". How on earth could I get such a wrong impression? Oh, that's why:
{|
|style="background-color:lightblue"|Could you explain what you mean by "pi contains pi" exactly? Usually, when looking for birthdays, you would look for a consecutive string of six numbers. And mathematicians are certain that you could find the text of "Hamlet" if you take π mod 26 as a unbroken string. That seems to be different from your idea to find pi... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 15:25, July 29, 2021 (EDT)
|-
|style="background-color:pink"|Not different at all. "Pi contains pi" means what it says: the full pi within pi. [[Infinity denial]] appears to be an obstacle here.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 16:38, July 29, 2021 (EDT)
|-
|style="background-color:lightblue"|For clarification: π containing π means that there is a consecutive sequence of digits in π (not starting from the first one) which equals π? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:07, July 29, 2021 (EDT)
|-
|style="background-color:pink"|Right, as I proved above.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 17:13, July 29, 2021 (EDT)
|-
|style="background-color:lightblue"|Sorry for being a little bit thick (or nitpicking) - perhaps I have difficulties because English isn't my first language... OTOH: mathematics is universal!

You are saying that there is a infinite and unbroken sequence of digits in the representation of π (not starting with the first significant digit) equal to π ?

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:34, July 29, 2021 (EDT)
|-
|style="background-color:pink"|Yes. Repeatedly asking for clarification of something that is clear could be the result of denial, in this case [[infinity denial]]. I don't think the disconnect has anything to do with communication in [[English]]!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:59, July 29, 2021 (EDT)
|}
Infinity denial indeed! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 03:48, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

== No one disputes that pi includes every number that has a finite representation ==

No one '''''knows''''':

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg9admPCQhI discovermaths] "Is π normal?"
*[https://mathworld.wolfram.com/Pi.html WolframMathWorld]: "''It is also known that pi is not a Liouville number (Mahler 1953), but it is not known if pi is normal to any base (Stoneham 1970).''"

It is a collective hunch that π is normal, but there is no proof (yet)! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:37, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
:The issue of whether pi is normal is interesting but seems unrelated to the issue here of whether pi contains pi.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:05, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

== Andy, you are nearly there! ==

*"''Pi containing pi means that there will be a string of numbers that repeat themselves: from the beginning of pi to when it first begins to repeat itself, which then would repeat itself again and again.''" Indeed, that's what I have shown above in [[#Proof_by_contradiction_that_π_does_not_contain_π]]
*"''However, it is generally assumed that there are no repeating patterns in pi.''" That's not a ''general assumption'', that's a ''proven fact'': it was proved for the first time in the 1760s by a certain Johann Heinrich Lambert, and since then, many more accessible proofs have been found.

So, what happens when an assumption leads to a contradiction to a proven fact? We get a [[proof by contradiction]]! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 03:38, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
:The repetition likely won't happen until after an infinite number of digits, so this is not a problem. I've updated the essay on this point.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:01, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

::Pray, what is the index of the first occurrence of this repetition? Is it x∞ + 12 ? Or x∞ + 4125 ? Or even x2∞? How is the weather on the day after the infinite reign of God?
::For someone criticizing everybody else for their understanding of infinity, you write some weird stuff! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 11:32, August 6, 2021 (EDT)