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== Move request ==

Hallo. I need your help to move two pages as I made errors in their titles.

One of them is "Sarah Brown Liberal Democrat".
It has been suggested I change this to "Sarah Brown (UK Politician)" as most readers are American. I just need to figure out how to do this.

The second is "Jane Samantha Fae alias John Ozimek" which should read Jane Francesca Fae. I would be very grateful if you could please shift those for me. [[User:GraceDalrymple|GraceDalrymple]]

:Yes, I saw the discussion. I have moved those two pages, as requested. Moving pages is restricted to administrators and SysOps, so it is not your fault, as if you just can't figure out how to move pages...the wiki will not let you. No need to feel bad about it!
:I am happy to help, so just let me know if/when you need further assistance. It's no trouble! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:41, 27 September 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move [[Qanon]] to [[QAnon]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:37, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
:In addition to the above, would you please move [[:Category:Christian social reformers]] for capitalization. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:58, 4 November 2018 (EST)
::Both done --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:00, 6 November 2018 (EST)

Another move request: would you please fix the spelling error in this image title (the word "official" specifically)? [[:File:Enrique Peña Nieto oficial pic.jpg]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:15, 1 December 2018 (EST)

:I think that actually may be deliberate (see: https://www.facebook.com/Enrique-Peña-Nieto-Oficial-1708563375863631). I don't mind moving it if you still think that is needed, but it is protected so someone will need to unlock it first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:28, 1 December 2018 (EST)

::Good point -- it's probably Spanish. However, we are an English-language encyclopedia, so it might still be good to change it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:38, 3 December 2018 (EST)

:::My Spanish is very rusty, but that was my assumption. I'm fine with moving it though. Want me to ask Andy to unlock it? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:30, 3 December 2018 (EST)

::::I would appreciate that. Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:10, 3 December 2018 (EST)

:::::Done! [[:File:Enrique Peña Nieto oficial pic.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:05, 4 December 2018 (EST)

::::::Would you please move this page to capitalize the "M": [[Javier milei]]? Also, please watch your email. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:03, 6 December 2018 (EST)

:::::::Moved. I just thinking about email... --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:05, 6 December 2018 (EST)

::::::::Would you please move [[Ilana mercer]] to [[Ilana Mercer]] and delete the new redirect? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:48, 11 December 2018 (EST)

Done. I have been sometimes leaving the redirects (for a while) so that new editors who don't know how to use RC can still find their pages. However, that may be unnecessary, and since I see you usually delete the redirect anyway, I will plan on just deleting the redirect in the future. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:29, 11 December 2018 (EST)
:Thanks! Regarding redirects, I guess it depends on the specific article. I'm fine deciding case-by-case, since redirects might be more necessary for some articles over others. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:36, 11 December 2018 (EST)
::Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[Eastern Empires vs Western Empires]] to be an essay? I would rather delete it, but it just seems like a low-quality opinion article that could just be reformatted as such. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:13, 20 December 2018 (EST)

:::Done. I was tempted to delete it also, especially considering that it seems to have been made by a disposable account. However, I was waiting to see what others thought. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:02, 20 December 2018 (EST)

While I'm reluctant to rename my "Donald Trump achievements" articles so long after creation, it probably would be a good idea to move [[Donald Trump achievements: Immigration, illegal immigration, and border security]] to [[Donald Trump achievements: Immigration and border security]]. If you agree this is a good idea, would you please do it, and would you then delete the redirect and change every link where I (or someone else) has linked it? Then, I will begin doing the 2-3 article splits I told you about. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:35, 31 December 2018 (EST)

:I agree--that is a repetitive name, so a move makes sense. I have moved the page, and clean up most of the links to the old name. However, I have a little bit of a time crunch right now, so I'm going to need to leave one thing undone: [[Donald Trump]] needs to be unlocked so the link can be updated. I can ask for the unlock later, or you can if you get there first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:02, 31 December 2018 (EST)

Would you please move the article [[Conservative Revolution]] to the "essay" namespace? I don't want to delete it outright, but the article isn't suitable as an encyclopedia article, considering the use of second person, lack of intro paragraph, and the fact it seems to be making an argument like an essay. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:44, 1 July 2019 (EDT)
:Also, please move the article [[Edward feser]] to capitalize the guy's last name. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:16, 5 July 2019 (EDT)
::Also, do you see any problem with these articles: [[Generation Identity]], [[European New Right]]? Either way, they need formatting work. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:56, 5 July 2019 (EDT)

:::I see no glaring issues, on the surface, although the formatting of [[Generation Identity]] suggests that it came from a Wiki. I didn't find any problems with a standard plagiarism check. It needs some cleanup though. [[European New Right]] looks incomplete and need expansion. No glaring issues though.
:::I've moved these pages. Sorry for the wait. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:21, 5 July 2019 (EDT)
::::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:49, 6 July 2019 (EDT)
:::::Would you please move [[Wwe roster]] to capitalize "WWE"? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:12, 10 July 2019 (EDT)

::::::Good idea. I've moved it, but left the redirect for now, so the author doesn't "loose" the page. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:23, 10 July 2019 (EDT)

==Hi==
hi and thank you for move sugguestion to sting. [[User:Massaq25|Massaq25]] ([[User talk:Massaq25|talk]]) 18:23, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
:Hello, and you're welcome! Do you agree? I'm open to other suggestions, I just don't think that "sting" is a sufficiently descriptive title. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:27, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
::DavidB4, I would appreciate it if you would move the page now. No need for a move tag (nobody's going to comment there anyway). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:29, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Moved to [[Steve Borden]] with a redirect from "Sting (wrestler)" --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 30 September 2018 (EDT)

== Quotes ==
Those quotes weren't my own, you should know that, they're from actual people. Also, if it's debatable, then please by all means...refute me. --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 02:48, 1 December 2018 (EST)
:I'm obviously not DavidB4, but I will still point out that a simple Google search shows it's very debatable: [https://health.usnews.com/health-news/health-wellness/articles/2014/07/07/is-abstinence-unhealthy 1],[http://www.nbcnews.com/id/36084314/ns/health-sexual_health/t/no-sex-may-be-no-fun-it-unhealthy/#.XAKfVmhKhPY 2],[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/09/sex-celibacy-friendships-women 3],[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1077378/I-gave-sex-years-ago--best-thing-I-did.html 4] -- the info you added was undue weight, considering the overall size of the article, and it falsely implied that abstinence is a bad thing for your health. It appears that it is only when you really want to have sex and you don't. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:58, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::Yes, it was a very one-sided argument, which is factually questionable. Without getting unnecessarily descriptive, the body does have ways of dealing with some of the stated issues. Research is sketchy if even existent on several of the things you mentioned. Additionally, the first paragraph was written as your own, mot a quote, even though is was a direct copy-and-paste from another source. (That is by definition plagiarism--taking credit for someone else's work.) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:03, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::: ''So what are the health benefits of sex, besides relieving stress and helping you fall asleep? Studies have shown that regular sex has a protective effect on the heart, lowering the risk of heart attack in men. For both men and women, “It increases blood flow to the genitals and probably helps the immune system,” Herbenick says. “All things being equal, it’s also fun when things are going well [in your relationship.]”
''So abstaining – especially long-term – can carry some physical consequences. In women, it can cause the atrophying of underused vaginal or hip muscles, Lindau says. Vaginismus is a common condition characterized by hypersensitivity of the muscles around the opening of the vagina, she adds. Those muscles – along with the pelvic floor muscles – are important for controlling penetration, and they need to be in a relaxed state during sexual intercourse. If they are hyper-contracted – not necessarily from abstinence itself, but accumulated fear or anticipation of the first sexual experience – sex can be very painful. “They say it feels like he’s hit a wall,” Lindausays, adding that vaginismus can be treated.''

I said refute me, but instead you give me extra arguments. Thank you so much. --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 14:20, 1 December 2018 (EST)
:Neither of us are arguing that sex is bad or harmful -- all of the articles I cited said that sex can be good, but abstinence can also be good. You're committing a fallacy by assuming that just because sex is good means that abstinence is bad.
:Unless you get STDs or anything like that from sex, it is just as good as abstinence. The articles made it clear that abstinence does not have harmful side-effects. You need to read the cited articles better. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:30, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::: I guess the only real way to settle this is to get actual data from the field. [[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 15:18, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::::Makuta, are you pushing sex outside of marriage between husband and wife in this website? [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 15:37, 1 December 2018 (EST)
:::::No, I'm pushing for knowledge of the dangers of lifelong abstinence. But even if I was, then there's nothing you can do about it so why are you asking? --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 20:22, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::::::"''dangers of lifelong abstinence''" -- That's ridiculous, and choosing not to have sex (especially outside of heterosexual marriage) is normal, and sex outside of marriage can actually be dangerous (if there are STDs involved). Many people have been abstinent and turned out just fine. You're distorting the facts to make it seem like it's a necessity to have sex in order to be healthy, and if you don't there's a medical problem, when in reality neither option is inherently harmful.
::::::"''But even if I was, then there's nothing you can do about it''" If I'm understanding you correctly, as admins, we can do something about it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:44, 1 December 2018 (EST)

:::::::"''If I'm understanding you correctly, as admins, we can do something about it.''"

:::::::Haha! '''Can'''... --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 21:34, 1 December 2018 (EST)

::::::::Want me to turn it into a "'''Will'''"? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:54, 1 December 2018 (EST)

:::::::::Action without cause. To pardon is true power but you have nothing to pardon, I'm giving you no trouble. --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 22:01, 1 December 2018 (EST)

Makuta Makaveli either has an agenda, or gets his/her information from people who have an agenda to promote casual sex by making abstinence look like a "health hazard." The Atheist YouTuber "MrRepzion" also claimed that one needed to have "trial sex" to see if the two are "sexually compatible." It would help CP if the articles had information debunking these claims [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 12:08, 2 December 2018 (EST)

:Most people argue that there is "no harm" in casual sex--that has become a common claim (although some say is is risky due to STDs). Because of this, there are plentiful materials arguing that claim. However, it is much harder to find support for this claim that is is actually unhealthy to abstain by choice. I've seen a few unscientific blog posts, etc. about it, but nothing verifiable. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist (there is always someone willing to write a paper on some fringe belief which people want to hear--just look at chocolate, for example, where they like to disregard the health costs of sugar and just look at the pure chocolate, which by the way tastes pretty bad on its own) but I'm not finding proof.
:Shobson20, the "try it before you buy it" idea is certainly nothing new in personal relationships. I suspect you are correct in linking these two, as people who would like to engage in this practice would like to have something like this to point to as a defense for their actions. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 3 December 2018 (EST)

== Why did I get blocked by "Minuteman?" ==

I was fixing the damage that "My password is green" was doing. I sometimes notice vandals before CP's admins do, and sometimes I try to help. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 19:23, 15 December 2018 (EST)

:I replied to your email. You did nothing wrong. Thank you for your vigilance, and I apologize for this! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:30, 15 December 2018 (EST)

::What are the qualifications for becoming a sysop on this site? I would like to be able to help by stopping the trolls and vandals who frequently attack this site. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 19:38, 15 December 2018 (EST)

:::As best I can tell, there is no official criteria. However, this page might be useful to answer some basic questions: [[Conservapedia:User_rights]]. Typically, SysOp rights are given to users who have been editing for some time, and proven themselves trustworthy. I don't think there is a specific checklist that you can do, to get these rights. However, the one responsible for promotions is [[User:Aschlafly]], so you might be able to get a better idea from him as to what he specifically looks for. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:59, 15 December 2018 (EST)

I too have just been blocked by {{user|Minuteman}}. I copied over the WP article for [[anarcho-conservatism]], which the WP zealots are about to delete. The text there is mine, though most of the article is still in quotes from references, as more text is needed (hence why I brought it here). — [[User:WisdomTooth3|WisdomTooth3]] ([[User talk:WisdomTooth3|talk]]) 00:17, 1 January 2019 (EST)

:You were blocked for one hour so we could review what you were doing, because you were importing a page from WP which looked a bit like plagiarism. Since it is your own writing, then you may recreate that page, but it could use some improvements. Namely, the quotes themselves can use work, as they do not provide context. If you intend to make further improvements to the page, then we welcome our efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 1 January 2019 (EST)
::Per [[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]]'s suggestion, recreated it [https://www.conservapedia.com/User:WisdomTooth3/Sandbox/Anarcho-conservatism here]. Not sure when I'll be able to improve it. Please feel free to chip in. — [[User:WisdomTooth3|WisdomTooth3]] ([[User talk:WisdomTooth3|talk]]) 03:20, 2 January 2019 (EST)

:::Thank you! I am not a subject matter expert on that topic, so I don't know how much help I can be, but I will look it over later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:32, 2 January 2019 (EST)
::::By the way, it is probably not helpful for the article to link to itself. Unless they point to a specific part of the page, they should probably be removed. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:42, 2 January 2019 (EST)

== Merge proposal ==

What do you think about this merge request: [[Talk:Carbon cycle (astronomy)]]? I am inclined to support it, but it's probably a good idea to get more than one opinion on it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:32, 29 December 2018 (EST)

:I've never really studies that specific topic, but the proposal sounds fine to me. I looked up "carbon cycle" and found a great deal of information, but on the wrong topic. From my limited understanding, a merge sounds like a good idea. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:30, 29 December 2018 (EST)
== tag at bottom of pages "quotation templates" ==

Many of the content pages I create use quotes of other web content. At the bottom of the articles I created using quotes, there is a tag at the bottom of the pages indicating "quotation templates". This is a new and unwanted development.

For example, please look at the bottom of this web page: [[Atheism and mental illness]].

Can we get the "quotation templates" tag to not be there. Before they never used to be there. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:37, 29 December 2018 (EST)

:I made a small mistake, but cannot fix it until [[:template:cquote]] is unlocked again. I'm sorry about that--I should have noticed sooner. Someone needs to add the "noinclude" tags to the category link. If someone unlocks the page, I will fix the issue. Again, sorry about that! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:23, 29 December 2018 (EST)
::I unlocked the page.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:25, 29 December 2018 (EST)

:::Thanks, I believe I fixed it. You can lock it again. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:36, 29 December 2018 (EST)
::::Thanks for fixing the issue. I appreciate it.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:37, 29 December 2018 (EST)

:::::Any time! Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:46, 29 December 2018 (EST)

== Request ==

Would you please check [[Alejandro Garcia Padilla]] for originality? It could be, but many of the refs are formatted like on Wikipedia. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:34, 30 December 2018 (EST)

:Of course! It definitely originated from WP. Slightly edited, but still copied. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_García_Padilla --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:12, 30 December 2018 (EST)

::You beat me to it. Obvious copy from WP, with slight alterations. You don't need to check reference format; just check the text. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:19, 30 December 2018 (EST)

:::Would you please delete all the portions that are copied? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:42, 30 December 2018 (EST)

::::I'll take another look, but I think the whole thing needs to go. Also, this is not the first time. See: [[User_talk:HectorCruz66#Originality]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:45, 30 December 2018 (EST)
:::::Oh, and I didn't mean to ignore you, Sam. Thanks for checking also! You're right--just looking at the pages shows all you need to know. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:54, 30 December 2018 (EST)
::::::Deleting it, then, is the best option. Would you please do that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:22, 30 December 2018 (EST)

:::::::Sure. I'm still looking at it, but sure, I'll delete it unless I find a reason not to. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:37, 30 December 2018 (EST)

Would you please check the page [[James Ritchey]] to see if there's anything problematic (in general, not just originality, since it's two sentences long)? If there's nothing, I guess we can keep it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:45, 17 January 2019 (EST)

:Well, he exists. It seems he's a small-time actor who has been in a few movies I've never heard of, and is barely active on YouTube. This does seem to be relatively original text...all two sentences of it.
:So on to the negative, I firstly find the wording "internet celebrity" rather questionable. I don't see anything suggesting that title. I could be missing something, but from what I'm seeing, he looks more like a wannabe celebrity. Each of his youtube videos has between 1K and 7K views. Assuming those views were not farmed, that still seems a ways away from the numbers a celebrity would have. He second most viewed video seems to be review of a water bottle....I didn't watch it to find out if it is sponsored.
:I suspect he is trying to make a name for himself, which slots this "article" into a suspicious category anyway.
:Bottom line, there is nothing blatantly wrong, but I see why you were questioning it. This smells fishy. I'd be included to nuke it for a lack of notability, but I'm okay with keeping it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:31, 17 January 2019 (EST)

::Oh, and a couple search engines (at least Yahoo and Yandex [and therefore DuckDuckGo]) have already crawled this page, and added it to the first page of results from searching his name. I used a clean OS and browser, so no user history bias there. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:44, 17 January 2019 (EST)

:::If you think that page is an advertisement (which is very likely), then I am perfectly fine deleting it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:18, 17 January 2019 (EST)

::::Ok, I think I'll delete it then. Too many suspicious factors. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:44, 17 January 2019 (EST)

Assuming we should keep this essay (I shouldn't jump to conclusions), it should be moved so we have a colon: [[Essay History of racism and the Democrats]]. Unrelated, there's no mention of how Reconstruction Democrats passed gun control laws to prevent black people from engaging in self-defense. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:48, 18 January 2019 (EST)

:I hadn't gotten the chance to review it yet. I'm moved the page, but I think it might be helpful to keep the redirect for the moment. This seems like a reasonably good essay, so I'm find with keeping it. I will send you an email shortly. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:29, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, I am wondering if any of these images would be acceptable for me to upload (regarding licensing): [https://twitter.com/VP/status/1085692630246350848][https://twitter.com/scavino45/status/1010232867501363200][https://twitter.com/vp/status/1010293228619419648] Also, I am wondering if you know of any free images of the Trump Administration deployment of troops along the border with Mexico late last year? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:18, 20 January 2019 (EST)

:Hi, Twitter is always a little iffy, but these are probably okay. Firstly, images made by an employee of the U.S. government as a part of their duties are automatically in the Public Domain. Secondly, a number of other users here republish twitter images under "Fair use." The first one is ideal, so if this is the case as it looks, use one or more of them for this reason.
:I do not know of any images of troops at the border, and couldn't find any good ones after a quick check. I will look a little more later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 20 January 2019 (EST)
::Thanks! Would you please look over this image to make sure there aren't any problems? [[:File:Donald Trump Angel Families.jpg]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:46, 21 January 2019 (EST)

:::Any time! I do find it a little questionable that Pence took that photo. However, if it was one of his aids, it is still PD. However, if it was taken by the press, it is probably not. I don't know if there is a way to find out who actually took it, since this is a Twitter post. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:05, 21 January 2019 (EST)

::::I don't know where to find who took the picture. I'm assuming it's his office, since I don't see why his office would rely on the media for such a picture.

::::Also, I don't know where else to find a picture of this specific event. I checked the White House's Flickr page, among other pages, but couldn't find anything. If you are able to find a better image, I would appreciate it (you don't have to, though). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 21 January 2019 (EST)

:::::I'm not having much luck either. Let's just go with what you have. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:50, 21 January 2019 (EST)

::::::OK. I wish it were easier to find a free picture of this event, but oh well. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:01, 21 January 2019 (EST)

:::::::Considering all of the cameras in that room, it does seem surprising. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:05, 21 January 2019 (EST)
:::::::Oh, second person to the left of Trump is Pence, so he definitely was not holding the camera :) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:08, 21 January 2019 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, would you please check the newly-created article [[Athanasio Celia]] for originality, and to make quality improvements if you have the time? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:10, 9 February 2019 (EST)

:Hello, it looks like this is a (perhaps slightly revised) copy of an old version of the WP page on the subject. I did not dig through WP, but I'm seeing matches to here: [https://www.amazon.com/Athanasio-Celia/e/B07BG9GB3J%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share] which is an Amazon page quoting WP, and here: [https://en.everybodywiki.com/Athanasio_Celia] which is probably plagiarism as well. This was not a complete match anywhere my tools saw--more like a 30% match or so. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:40, 9 February 2019 (EST)
::Do you think it should be deleted? Either way, the page has formatting/copyedit issues. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:41, 9 February 2019 (EST)

:::It looks like WP deleted it, but "everybodywiki.com" saved a copy. It looks like we should delete it unless we can verify that the original author was the one to post it here. It is worth finding that out first, as it is not uncommon for us to get rescued paged from WP editors. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:49, 9 February 2019 (EST)
::::While we're waiting for the above page to get sorted out, would you please move the page [[Indian struggle]] to [[The Indian Struggle]]? Also, there should probably be a [[Indian Struggle]] page. This whole thing is a mess right now. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:36, 11 February 2019 (EST)
::::Also, if you would take a look at this page, I would appreciate it: [[Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:38, 11 February 2019 (EST)

:::::I am very busy right now, but have moved that page as requested. I will deal with the other issues soon. If I don't do so within a week, feel free to remind me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:38, 11 February 2019 (EST)

::::::Oh dear....Okay, some of that page might be original, but at least some parts, including the fact list are definitely not original. That list is all over the internet. This page: [https://www.libertynation.com/ocasio-cortez-and-the-nazi-connection/] is one possible place this may have come from, but if you take a look at a web search of the any one "fact," you will see that that it is all over the place. It's going to be hard to nail down where it actually came from. In any case, we should challenge it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:05, 12 February 2019 (EST)

== Page improvement ==

Hello DavidB4, it might be worth taking a look at and moving this article: [[Template:Examples of Liberal Bias]]

I think it should probably be moved to a mainspace article or at least have its formatting improved. For example, the template is transcluded in the [[Liberal bias]] article, and if you look at the table of contents, starting at the first "See also" section and below, the template transclusion messes things up. Of course, whether we move this article to mainspace or simply do some formatting fixes, it's going to take some work to get this done. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:44, 28 January 2019 (EST)

:I see what you mean; it is as if someone wanted this to both be a template and a standalone page. It must be one or the other. If it was unlocked, I think I could fix it to work properly as a template, but it would not be a good standalone page. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:50, 29 January 2019 (EST)
::It looks better to me. What do you think...Have I missed any issues? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:27, 29 January 2019 (EST)
:::Looks good to me! The only issue is the double space below the template, as you can see at the [[Liberal bias]] article -- this isn't a big deal, though. It seems to me that the "See also" link on the template is kind of useless (unless someone directly accesses the template, and considering the [[Examples of Liberal Bias]] redirect, that might happen). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:56, 29 January 2019 (EST)
::::Good point, I'd missed that spacing issue, but I think I've fixed it now. That see also link is not included when the page is transcluded, but only shows on the template page itself. I figured that was a reasonable compromise. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:36, 29 January 2019 (EST)
:::::I think it is a reasonable compromise -- thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:21, 29 January 2019 (EST)

== Article move request ==

It might be worth considering moving [[Jane Samantha Fae]] to [[Jane Francesca Fae alias John Ozimek]] -- that's what User:GraceDalrymple did, but how she did it was very poor, simply blanking one page and creating the other one, and she didn't make the first page a proper redirect. For the record, this page appears to be of someone born a male and who now identifies as a woman, so the current female name title may not be appropriate. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:00, 2 March 2019 (EST)
:I'm willing to make the move, but this name makes it sound like "John Ozimek" is the alias, while "Jane Francesca Fae" is the real name. Jane should be first in such a page name, though, since that's probably what someone is going to search for. If I was making the page, I would probably just call it "Jane Francesca" or else put something parenthetical afterwards, like "Jane Francesca Fae (John Ozimek)". If you think "Jane Francesca Fae alias John Ozimek" is best, though, I'll do it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:40, 2 March 2019 (EST)
::I'm thinking it should simply be moved to his real name, John Ozimek, just like the [[Bradley Manning]] and [[Bruce Jenner]] articles were done. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 23:16, 2 March 2019 (EST)
:::Tempting, as we all know that's he still is. However, his legal name is now "Jane," so I'm not sure if we should leave that out altogether. We could. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:58, 3 March 2019 (EST)

::::How about this: [[John Ozimek (Jane Samantha Fae)]]? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:48, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Would you please take a look here: [[Talk:Newfoundland]]? This article might have to be moved. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:55, 17 April 2019 (EDT)

:Confirmed, that's the name now, so I moved it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:13, 17 April 2019 (EDT)

== Great work! ==

Great work in adding those references to [[benefits of capitalism]]!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 13:30, 28 March 2019 (EDT)
:Thanks! It could use some more work, but it's progress. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:40, 28 March 2019 (EDT)

== [[World History Study Guide from 1648]] ==

This article contains a wrong info. "(1923) created the modern state of Turkey, with a combination of military rule and an elected Parliament; also converted the Arabic language to a modern, Latin-style alphabet". Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was a Turk and he converted the Turkish language to Latin-style alphabet. Please correct it. Thank you. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 15:45, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

:I know very little about that page or the history it speaks of, but that page is locked from editing by anyone other than full administrators, so I cannot make this change in any case. You could try asking [[User:Aschlafly]] or [[User:Karajou]] for assistance with this. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:29, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
==Image upload requests==
I requested to upload several images for an essay I am writing and have gotten no reply. Can you please help me? --[[User:ProudGator|ProudGator]] ([[User talk:ProudGator|talk]]) 09:30, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

:Hi, I noticed your request, and I will get to it. Typically, requests are taken in the order they are received, and we have a substantial backlog of request right now. I will do these two soon, but in the future, I will take them in order to be fair to the others making upload requests. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

::I've uploaded three of them. However, the last one you requested is owned by National Geographic, which specifically states that we cannot republish their content. (See [[CP:IUR]] for more information.) --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:27, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

== Image upload ==

If yo could upload one of the images I linked to on Andrew Schlafly's talkpage that'd be great! [[User:JohnSelway|JohnSelway]] ([[User talk:JohnSelway|talk]]) 17:56, 18 April 2019 (EDT)
:Sure: [[:File:Jacinda Ardern, 2018.jpeg]]
:If you need any more done, feel free to add the request to the bottom of [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:00, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

== Look at this edit ==

Please look at this edit: [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia&diff=1519161&oldid=1516763 DavidB4 and Conservapedia]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:39, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

:Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:37, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bay of Pigs switch==
Should the page [[Bay of Pigs]] actually be [[Bay of Pigs invasion]]? One is a place, the other is a historical event. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 14:56, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

:Yes, this should be clarified--thanks for pointing it out! This is a large page with many contributors, so I've put the move template on it as a prior announcement. If no one objects or makes other suggestions, I will move it soon. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:24, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

::Sounds good to me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:27, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

== Editing question ==

Hi DavidB4 and the others!

I just created an account a few days ago and have been doing some adding of pages and editing. Unfortunately, I think I might have gotten a little carried away and did some editing to a page that wasn't mine (Romulus Augustulus, the last Roman emperor) without taking time to check up on editing etiquette. So that I know for future reference, is it generally expected that you shouldn't do significant editing without talking to the original author first?

My apologies to the author; I hope you'll forgive it as just a case of over-enthusiasm.

-Teakin88

:Hi Teakin88, Welcome to Conservapedia! 
:I see nothing unfortunate about some initiative to improve an article--good work! If you are going to make a major point-of-view change, or do something potentially controversial, it would probably be a good idea to first ask on the respective article talk page. If no one objects, then go for it. For general, non-controversial expansions like this, there shouldn't typically be any need to ask. It should also be noted that no one really "owns" articles. There are some articles in which a single editor has made a significant investment (1990'sguy and the [[Donald Trump achievements]] articles come to mind). In those cases, would probably be the courteous thing to do to ask before removing, changing, or contradicting preexisting content. Also, if you plan to change the perspective of an article (i.e., changing the Donald Trump article to say he's a traitor, lair, and jerk) you should probably ask first. However, in most cases, you can just go ahead and make improvements where you see the need. If someone disagrees with an edit you made, they will probably revert that edit and let you know. In that case, respect the senior editor, talk to them, and come to some agreement. I hope this clarifies the matter. If in doubt, it never hurts to ask. Contrary to popular belief, it's often better to ask for permission than forgiveness. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:58, 8 May 2019 (EDT)

::One extra thing -- even for non-controversial changes, I strongly recommend always citing reliable sources. This is helpful as they increase CP's reputability, and they are helpful for readers who want to research a certain topic further in-depth. Thanks for your edits, Teakin88. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:17, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

:::A very good point--yes, please include references. If you used any sources, even just for a basic understanding of the subject, they should always be cited. If you do not have any, I still suggest you do a little research, and find a good source which supports what you are writing. Common knowledge does not need to be cited (i.e. "red is a color") but when you are making an assertion which some reads may not have already known, try to cite it. It shouldn't be particularly difficult, just list the source, such as a URL, and perhaps the date you retrieved it. You are welcome to use any formal citation style, but you are not required or expected to do so. Most editors just paste the link inside of <code><nowiki><ref> </ref></nowiki></code> tags after the statement being referenced. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:10, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

==Historical revisionism and revisionism==
These two pages [[Revisionism]] and [[Historical revisionism]] are basically the same topic and ought to be merged under the banner of the second. I'll start expanding the revisionism page into general themes afterward. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 19:32, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

:That sounds good to me. I'll be a bit busy for the next 4-5 days, but I will merge these when I get the chance. If you want, feel free to move over the valuable content from [[Revisionism]] yourself, and make is page a redirect. Otherwise, I'll do it when I can. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:16, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

::Done: [[Historical revisionism]] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:33, 14 May 2019 (EDT)

== Email is bouncing ==

I sent a message to your email, and it bounced. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 12:41, 14 May 2019 (EDT)

:That's odd! I checked over things on my end, and everything seems to look right. Are you attempting the address listed on my user page? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:51, 14 May 2019 (EDT)
:I was able to send a test message there successfully. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:38, 14 May 2019 (EDT)
::I used the address on your user page, and I get a message from "Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon@googlemail.com>" that says "Message not delivered
There was a problem delivering your message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us. See the technical details below, or try resending in a few minutes.

The response from the remote server was:
550 Mail to davidb4-cp@archnet.us has been suspended" [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 16:58, 16 May 2019 (EDT)

:::Oh, that's my old address. It now bounces emails due to spam. Sorry for the trouble! I changed that public address last December. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:07, 16 May 2019 (EDT)

== Thank you! ==

Thank you for recreating [[User:Ahmed Samoa|my user page]]! [[User:Ahmed Samoa|Ahmed Samoa]] ([[User talk:Ahmed Samoa|talk]])

== A communist troll ==

A Communist troll who first used the Username "MarxistLeninist" is repeatedly making sock accounts and just won't get the message and go away. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 22:54, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

:Thanks for the tip. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 15 July 2019 (EDT)

== Mormons are Christian. ==

Hi, I was reading the page about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I am LDS (Mormon) and this article contains false things about the Church. It quotes Dr. James White, a Christian pastor, who is NOT MORMON and has written many anti-Mormon articles. White does not understand what the Church is about and he claims Mormons are not Christian. We are Christian! People like White and others from mainstream Christian churches misunderstand the doctrines of the LDS Church! I am a convert to the LDS church and there are SO many misconceptions about the Church, things taken out of context and distorted. It's disappointing that a site like this would perpetuate these false accusations. I would like to be able to edit the article if I could, since I am an actual Mormon. I don't know how to go about doing that.

Thank you,

Cindy

:It's understandable that you want to support your church, but why are you trying to isolate Dr. White? You've reduced his contributions to virtually nothing. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 13:04, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

::Thanks for reaching out! I am not personally an expert on Mormonism, so I might not be the right person to ask. However, I will be blunt with you: it seems that Mormonism is classified by many as cult for good reason. For example:
::*The Bible says that there is only one God (for example, see: Isaiah 43:10; 44:6; 45:5). Mormonism, however, says that:
::**there are many gods (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163)
::**There is a mother goddess (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443)
::*The Bible teaches that God is an eternal, infinite being, who created man in His (spiritual) image, but was never himself a man. Mormonism teaches that:
::**God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).
::**"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s..." (Doctrines and Covenants 130:22)
::**God is in the form of a man, (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 3).
::**"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see," (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345).
::Furthermore, it teaches that after you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354), which is outright blasphemy. This sounds like what is written in Genesis 3:5: "For God knows that when you eat from [the tree] your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil," which was spoken by Satan.

::Mormonism is based on Christianity, but so is Islam. Adding new things to Christianity and abrogate parts of scripture is pretty much what cults specialize in. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:17, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

== Article move requests ==

Should the article [[The mossadil]] be kept? If so, please move it to [[The MossadIL]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:49, 7 August 2019 (EDT)
:Initially, this sounded rather like something not notable enough to have an article. However, the account has over 115,000 followers at present. That sounds like a high number, although of course followers can be farmed. Honestly, I pay very little attention to Twitter...do you think that compared to the rest of Twitter, this is notable enough to keep? I find it a little odd having a page about a twitter account, but I'm okay with keeping it. If we do, though, I wonder if a more descriptive name might be better. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:21, 8 August 2019 (EDT)
::115,000 followers doesn't seem that high to me. Trump has over 62 million followers, John Bolton is nearing 700,000, and Matteo Salvini and Nigel Farage of Europe both have over 1 million (see [[Essay:Top conservatives on Twitter]]). If the article is notable otherwise, that's fine, but I don't think the number of followers makes it notable. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 05:41, 9 August 2019 (EDT)

:::Ok, then I say delete it. It might be a good twitter account, but I don't see anything else that makes it notable. There is also a web store behind this account, so there is some monetary motivation for promotion. The account that wrote this CP article is probably not a single-use promo account, but rather probably a good-faith editor. However, I don't think this qualifies as something worth publishing a page about. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:38, 9 August 2019 (EDT)

::::Thanks for deleting.

::::Also, would you please move the newly-created [[Emu war]] article (created, I think, by the same user) to capitalize the "w"? Also, this article needs a massive amount of improvement, and I don't have time at the moment to do so. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:56, 9 August 2019 (EDT)

:::::Good suggestion. As I guess you already noticed, I expanded it somewhat and moved it per your request. There is a great deal more which could be written about this topic, but at least the basics are there for now. Also, I think I will go ahead and make the History category you tried to use. That seems like one which could be useful. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:43, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

== Help:I've been blocked by Minuteman for creating Fredogate page ==
Can someone please help so I can improve the page I started? I've been blocked by Minuteman for creating Fredogate page. No explanation was given and I find his censoring very frustrating since this incident some media personalities call Fredogate, is widely covered in youtube.--[[User:Bearbrau|Bearbrau]] ([[User talk:Bearbrau|talk]]) 19:15, 14 August 2019 (EDT)
:My apologies for that--you did nothing wrong. You were automatically blocked for a 2-hour duration so that we could review your activity—it was nothing personal. Conservapedia gets its fair share of vandalism and internet trolls, so we need to be careful. I noticed this issues and unblocked you seven minutes later, but not before it was an inconvenience. (You were only able to post on our talk pages because you were unblocked.) You may continue where you left off, and should have no further trouble of this sort. If you have any specific questions or concerns, fell free to contact me by email. However, you should be all set to proceed, and this will not be counted against you. Again, Sorry about that! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:26, 14 August 2019 (EDT)

== Two questions/requests ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please take a look at the article [[Mainstream conservative]]? I don't know if this page is to be kept, but it would need significant reworking as it seems rather opinionated. Maybe it should be moved to the "essay" namespace?

Also, would you please keep an eye on the draft [[User:RobSteff/Slovakia]]? It seems like the editor wants to redo CP's [[Slovakia]] page, but some of the intro wording [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slovakia&oldid=910323397 mirrors the WP article] way too closely. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:20, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

:Hi 1990'sguy!
:I rarely see [[Mainstream conservative]], [[movement conservative]], populist conservatives, etc. well defined in comparison to other types of conservatives. If the content here is accurate (I have not verified it, but have no specific reason to doubt it), I think there could be some value in keeping this. As you say, though it will of course need at the very least to be wikified, and should really have some references. It could be considered a subjective explanation and thus an essay, but I think this could be done as a standard article. We do also have an article for [[Movement conservative]]s already, so this might fit in where it is, given a little more work. Do you disagree, though?

:I will also try to keep an eye on the Slovakia article...good idea. It seems promising that this users replied to your comment about copyright/copy-and-paste. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:38, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

::Also, I will note that I'm not sure if Mainstream conservative should focus quite so much on Trump support/opposition. Trump certainly is getting people to show their true colors, but this seems better suited as a separate example, rather than the main point of discussion. Trump will, either in 2020 or 2024, leave office, but chances are, the concept of mainstream conservatives will continue, so I would prefer to see our article on this being more about principles than support/opposition of one person in 2016-2020. I'll post this on that article's talk page as well. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:53, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

==Move request==
Can we move this [[Essay:Rich Man and Parable of Talents]] to [[Parable of the Talents]]? For the most part (with some minor editing) this could be an actual useful article instead of yet another editorial. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 19:45, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
:I'm generally happy to help move things, but as this is Andy's Essay, I wonder if perhaps he should be asked first. Generally, essay space offers special allowances and exceptions which mainspace does not. At present, this piece reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article, so it would need a little editing if it was moved. If he is fine with this, then sure...I would be happy to move it. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:48, 19 August 2019 (EDT)

In the meantime (and not to distract from the above), would you please move [[:Category:British royal family]] to capitalize the last two words? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
:1990'sguy: Good suggestion--I've moved it as you asked. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:38, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
::Thanks! Would you please also look at the move request at [[Talk:Kosice]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:22, 24 August 2019 (EDT)

:::Thanks for pointing that out! I used to be able to monitor all activity on CP, but my availability has decreased such that I can only check retroactively for highlights now. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:14, 24 August 2019 (EDT)

== Article assessment ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please take a look at the newly-created article [[Cruz Derangement Syndrome]]? Is it notable enough to keep, and if so, would it need any other improvements? Also, while I generally like Cruz (with certain exceptions such as trade and his support for a liberal appellate judge in 2014), I know that CP "officially" takes a more critical stance toward him. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:20, 5 September 2019 (EDT)

:Hi 1990'sguy, ''I might step on some toes with this reply, but here goes--don't take this the wrong way.'' I was looking at that earlier, and have been thinking about it. Of course, it needs some style fixes, and some categories. As for the content, this seems more like a joking or borderline humor article/essay, rather than an encyclopedia article, but then again, [[Trump Derangement Syndrome]] does to some extent as well, but we still have that. Some people do have a very strong reflexive response to Cruz which does in many cases seem somewhat unjustified, so I think this may be valid thing to write about in some form.
:The fact of the matter is that neither of these "syndromes" are actual medical conditions or syndromes--this is hyperbole. I question whether that belongs in an encyclopedia, and particularly, the title of an article. Then again, we also use a similar tactic sometimes in reference to scandals (or should-be scandals) by throwing "gate" on the end of it (i.e. [[Obamagate]], [[Muellergate]], [[Climategate]], etc.) which can itself seem rather unprofessional. Basically, I don't like the hyperbole/clickbait title--it seems gimmicky. However, there is something here to be written about, and this will probably fit right in among the others I mentioned (and many more I didn't) --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:44, 5 September 2019 (EDT)

::At least in the case of TDS, that's a term that is now common among conservatives, so it's not like CP made up the term when creating the article. I'm not sure about the other articles you mentioned, but I never heard of the term "Cruz Derangement Syndrome" before seeing this article. However, I won't delete the article and will improve it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:00, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

:::Perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention, then...I've never heard the TDS term anywhere other that CP. I guess I can go either way on CDS. I don't like the terminology, and I generally don't like inventing terms. However, I have no problem with writing about this opposition to Cruz, in some way. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:42, 6 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Actually, it looks like CDS isn't quite a new term either: [https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Cruz+Derangement+Syndrome] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:48, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

What do you think about this article: [[Team plasma]]? It doesn't seem notable to me, but maybe it can be kept? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:35, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

:I agree, it doesn't seem particularly notable. If we keep it, it should be renamed, but I'm not really convinced it is worth having around. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:25, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

::I just deleted it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 07:49, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

:::Also, I don't know how much you know about this technology company, but do you think the recent edits on this article are positive (I think they probably are, but I want to make sure): [[AMD]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:41, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

::::Thanks. I think those edits were well-intentioned. There was a little bit of an oversight there (the posted market share only included one of two types of product), but I corrected it. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:07, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

How should we deal with this article: [[Joel gilbert]]? It's [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Gilbert&oldid=914351777 a copy of a particular version of the Wikipedia article] (compare with even earlier diffs: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Gilbert&oldid=747121431][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Gilbert&oldid=912556288]) -- an editor tried to change (or revert?) the article to his liking, was reverted, and brought his version here. Besides the capitalization error ("gilbert"), is the article appropriate to keep here? I'm leaning delete, but I'm not sure since it isn't the current or accepted Wikipedia version. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:32, 10 September 2019 (EDT)

:If it was all original content, I would seriously consider keeping it. However, certain parts were not written by this individual. If we chop out the plagiarized parts (everything not added in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Gilbert&type=revision&diff=914351777&oldid=914306698 this edit]), this isn't going to be a very good article, since the intro paragraph is the first to go. Either a rewite of these portions is needed, or unfortunately, the whole thing needs to go.
:There are also a few typographical errors (such as the title you pointed out, "'''eared'''" rather than earned, etc.) and a few other improvements which could be made. However, these are not worth making unless the plagiarized material is removed. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:19, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::Would you please make those changes (assuming you have the time and will to do so--if you don't, that's OK)? I'm devoting my CP time right now to work on my Donald Trump achievements project and would rather not spend much time on maintenance work. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:54, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Are the editor's changes sufficient? Upon his request, I deleted the old article title, so please see [[Joel Gilbert]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:22, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Also, in addition to my comment above, I am wondering (assuming you have the time to do so) if you can find any other free images of Trump's meeting with Hungary's prime minister [[Viktor Orban]] this May,[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Trump_amerikai_eln%C3%B6k_%C3%A9s_Orban_Viktor_magyar_minisztereln%C3%B6k.jpg] including on Twitter, Facebook, or wherever. I could only find this image, and I'm not sure even about that because it was uploaded only a few days ago by an apparently new editor and doesn't show licensing information. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:15, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::Apologies, I've been quite busy lately. Most of Joel Gilbert looks pretty good now, but the first paragraph is heavily plagiarized. IF that gets re-written, then we should be all set. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:21, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

:::::As far as photos go, it looks like most news outlets are using Getty Images. They buy a copy of the photo, then own it royalty-free. That means that if we could find a new outlet with a loose copyright policy, we could use it. Unfortunately, most of them have a TOS document a mile long adding prohibitions on top of U.S. copyright law. The only thing I found was [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/13/president-trump-welcomes-prime-minister-of-hungary-viktor-orban-to-white-house-video-and-transcript/ this], which does not seem to have a set of TOS. This means that only copyright law applies, and theoretically, we could use it under the Fair Use clause. Do you agree? Does that look and sound good enough? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:33, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::I don't know much about copyright law, so I will trust your and Andy's judgments on this. If there aren't any better images, that one is what I will upload. Thanks for checking! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:36, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

:::::::Well, I'm no expert on copyright law either...I'm learning as I go. Actually though, here is one which would be legally safer to use, and doesn't have mics in the frame: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Trump_amerikai_eln%C3%B6k_%C3%A9s_Orban_Viktor_magyar_minisztereln%C3%B6k.jpg] Maybe you were looking for something other than what WP/MW have though. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:41, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::::That is the same image that I linked above -- I found it before messaging you, and I asked you if you were able to find other images because this one was uploaded only a few days ago by a new user and doesn't include licensing information. Because of that, I don't want to upload the image, at least until I'm confident it's OK to load. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:48, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

:::::::::Opps, so you did. I looked at it briefly, then went on the hunt. I forgot to check back to make sure that what I found was different. They claim it is under CC, so if you take that at face value, great. However, that's a good point that it may or may not be true. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:56, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

::::::::::If it's uploaded by an experienced editor with believable documentation, I trust it, but if it's a brand new user with poor evidence of proper licensing, I don't trust it. The user linked to some Hungarian website to show where he found the source (the link is a dead link) and claims it's from the website. It could be true, though I can't find any corresponding U.S. government photo. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:19, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

Good point. It looks like the [https://web.archive.org/web/20190514152046/https://www.hirado.hu/kulfold/kulpolitika/cikk/2019/05/14/hasonlo-vilagnezetet-kepvisel-donald-trump-es-orban-viktor file did exist there], but I can't tell anything about licensing, since I don't speak Hungarian. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:28, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
:Google Translate or something could help, and I'll try to do it later when I get the time. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:57, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
::Under the photo, it says this: "Viktor Orban and Donald Trump (Photo: MTI / EPA / Solid Costumes)" -- does this mean anything of note? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:06, 20 October 2019 (EDT)

:::I figured it was something like that. It doesn't really mean a whole lot to me, but maybe a little. They are crediting the photo to "MTI / EPA / Solid Costumes" which means that it is probably not in the Public Domain. Often, they will use copyrighted photos by permission or contract, so that is probably what is happening in this case. However, I don't know who "MTI / EPA / Solid Costumes" is, so I can't very well track it down. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:37, 20 October 2019 (EDT)

::::OK, thanks. I probably won't upload this image, partially because of the uncertainty over copyright. In addition to this, is this article appropriate to keep: [[Henry ward]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:07, 21 October 2019 (EDT)
::::Never, mind -- that "Henry ward" article is apparently a fake/parody article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:59, 21 October 2019 (EDT)

:::::Okay. "No" is generally the safe option, so if in doubt, it's a good default answer. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:25, 21 October 2019 (EDT)

== Thank you! ==

Hey David, just wanted to say thanks for the welcome and the advice on the joel gilbert article. Definitely don't wanna mess up anything so I'll go back and fix it! :) I might need a bit of help with the infobox if you wouldn't mind but I might be able to figure it out. Anyhow thank you so much! Feel absolutely free to let me know if anything needs adjustment
[[User:Manny P90|Manny P90]] ([[User talk:Manny P90|talk]]) 14:57, 13 September 2019 (EDT)Manny

:You're welcome, and thank you for your interest in improving it! One thing still concerns me..the first paragraph doesn't seem to be original. Could you perhaps re-write that intro? As for the template, I'd be happy to try to help you, but our inforbox template is significantly different that Wikipedia's, so you can't do a a simple copy-and-paste of that. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:38, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

== New WP articles ==

Hello DavidB4, when you get the chance, please take a look at these two articles: [[Malik Obama]] and [[Dreams from My Real Father]]. The editor who created them stated that they were copied from Wikipedia articles that have been deleted (thus, they may not be original). I already wrote a very short message to the user. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:10, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

:Hi 1990'sguy, I noticed those come in, but didn't have the time to investigate then. At the very least, they need cleanup, but I also am suspicious of their originality. There are similarities between [[Malik Obama]] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama#Malik_Obama this], and [[Dreams from My Real Father]] looks like a slight rewrite of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreams_from_My_Real_Father this], although it could be the other way around. They at least need some cleanup; I'm leaning towards deletion, but this user has responded in the past, so it could be this is slightly more than just a dump and run maneuver. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:11, 4 October 2019 (EDT)
::Would you please also take a look at this article: [[Nicholas J Fuentes]]? It might not be appropriate to keep on CP. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:53, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

:::I don't see any evidence of plagiarism, and it isn't a wreck like some text dumps, so that's a good start. My main concern is with the matter of notability. It seems that he is somewhat publicly recognized, although he doesn't seem to have a great deal of publicity. He also seems to be in this to make a profit--that's not inherently bad (many talk shows and publications are for-profit endeavors, which I don't mind), but it is worth noting that by giving him some much-needed publicity, we may be helping out his profit margin. Based on these factors, I might lean towards deletion. However, while I don't want RW to decide what we do and do not have, I noticed that they do have an article about this guy (although I didn't bother to read their pig slop). What do you think? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:01, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

::::I made some copyedits, though the title might need to be moved. We could keep it, though the wording might need to be changed to make it sound less promotional. Also, I'm having trouble determining whether he's a consistent conservative or an "alt-right" person, though it looks like the former is more accurate. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:58, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

:::::I don't know much about him, and all I can find seems to be name-calling, ad hominem attacks, etc. which are loaded with bias. I will somewhat take back what I said about not much publicity...after digging a bit more, I have found a quantity of the standard liberal attack pieces against him, saying things like "Well, he said on Thursday that he is not a white supremacist and opposes violence, but actually the opposite is true, and random democrat xyz says that he is trying to play the victim here, and not simply being attacked for his views."
:::::It seems he had to leave his college because of these attacks, death threats, etc. after making his political views known. 'm starting to think maybe we should keep an article about him. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:41, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

::::::That sounds good to me, so I'll accept keeping the article, though it may need further improvements. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:11, 6 October 2019 (EDT)

The [[Malik Obama]] and [[Dreams from My Real Father]] still haven't been edited by the article creator. What should we do with them? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:15, 15 October 2019 (EDT)

:I've deleted them. If the author disagrees, they can be restored by an admin. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:18, 17 October 2019 (EDT)

== Cult leader Adnan Oktar ==

Hi. Could you please upload a picture of [[Harun Yahya|Adnan Oktar]]'s old and new look? I found this picture: [http://www.mavikocaeli.com.tr/resimler/iste-adnan-oktar-in-karanlik-gecmisi-unlu_11038318_39_fe5ee97f1d33bbc62e23.jpg]. Search results: [https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNSvWCIzFVBVujBE79-3Cfj1nZt-hA%3A1570459097293&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=625&ei=2U2bXcWiD6SorgS-uanwDQ&q=Adnan+Oktar+eski&oq=Adnan+Oktar+eski&gs_l=img.3..35i39l2j0i30l3j0i8i30.1823.15117..15325...1.0..0.173.2613.0j17......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0.AJMOrW1Xhl8&ved=0ahUKEwiF84CFsIrlAhUklIsKHb5cCt4Q4dUDCAY&uact=5]. If you want, you can upload an old and a new photo of him side by side. Thanks. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 10:42, 7 October 2019 (EDT)
:Conservapedia needs to follow copyright laws. Please upload this picture: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Adnan_oktar_01.jpg

:I would do it myself, but I have a very full schedule today.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 10:58, 7 October 2019 (EDT)

::I'll certainly upload this one, Wikignome72. See: [[:File:Adnan oktar 01.jpg]].
::Andrewlee, If we can find a copy of the other which is under a [[Creative Commons]] license, or is in the [[public domain]], that would be good. We might be able to use a copyrighted one under the [[Fair use]] clause, but that is more difficult.
::My favorite places to search for images with relaxed licensing are:
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org Wikimedia commons]
*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 Flickr.com]
but there any many others also, such as these:
*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile.com]
*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures.net]

::Let me know if you have any luck. Thanks!

== Requesting help with article about our ministry. ==

David, can you help me? I'm trying to edit a page on my organization, Global Media Outreach, which seems to be frequently vandalized. We didn't even add the page on us; just came across it while researching something. When I first found it it was completely negative. Some organization called Billion Bibles seems to have a criticism with us, so I edited our page and just put forth the gospel as we share it on the page so that people can make their own judgment about whether or not we have some kind of deficient version of it (we don't). Last month, the criticism reappeared as a link to the BillionBIbles organization again. They seem desperate to both link to themselves from anyone searching Conservapedia for info about us and to smear us. I don't want to publicly criticize them, just to remove their unjustified criticism of us. Thanks for any help or advice you can provide! [[User:Abranch|Abranch]] ([[User talk:Abranch|talk]]) 13:55, 16 October 2019 (EDT)abranch

:I've heard of BillionBibles before, but know almost nothing about them. However, the article on Global Media Outreach seems to only briefly mention some opposition. The linked BillionBibles page criticizes Global Media Outreach for teaching the "four spiritual laws" which they believe tends towards the "Health, Wealth, and Prosperity Gospel" and leaves out any mention of God's call (and and [[predestination]], as some believe) as well as a couple other points. [https://www.billionbibles.com/four-spiritual-laws.html]. These seem like they might be valid criticisms to at least note. Our article as it was simply stated that there was some opposition to Global Media Outreach, without subjectively declaring it to be wrong, so it seems that we were already leaving it up to the reader to decide what to think. I'm also somewhat confused as to why you removed the word "some," making the page basically say that all Christians say that your organization is wrong. I've fine with some rewording or explanation, but I think it is worth beeping some mention of doctrinal disagreements. Conservapedia is read and edited by people of many different beliefs, so we generally try to present both view points and let the reader decide. It sounds like this is what you wanted, and it seems to me, that is what we are doing. Furthermore, the [[Internet_evangelism#Global_Media_Outreach|Internet_evangelism]] page (to which you deleted the link) speaks favorably of Global Media Outreach. I have reverted both of these changes, since they seem to make the problem you are speaking about worse.
:Is there something I'm missing here? If the article is being unfair to Global Media Outreach, then I would be fine with trying to balance it out--I just don't see any specific glaring issues. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:04, 17 October 2019 (EDT)

David, regarding your note on the 16th—you were right. There were edits on the article mentioning us that were telescoping somehow and when I tried to edit one it wouldn't let me because it affected another. I didn't understand and was out of time. So—user error; I'm afraid I'm not a regular contributor, I just try to watch out for slander on us, and this site is about the only example of it I have found on the web. Sometimes slander shows up in overt ways, sometimes subtle. Just look at Wikipedia's article on the Apostle Paul, which includes "Among the critics of Paul the Apostle was Thomas Jefferson, a Deist, who wrote that Paul was the 'first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus.' Christian anarchists Leo Tolstoy and Ammon Hennacy take a similar view." That's bad enough, because it makes the reader feel as if the page ahs an agenda; but imagine if it were the first point in the entry, as "Criticism of Global Media Outreach" is for us.

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== Move request ==

Hallo. I need your help to move two pages as I made errors in their titles.

One of them is "Sarah Brown Liberal Democrat".
It has been suggested I change this to "Sarah Brown (UK Politician)" as most readers are American. I just need to figure out how to do this.

The second is "Jane Samantha Fae alias John Ozimek" which should read Jane Francesca Fae. I would be very grateful if you could please shift those for me. [[User:GraceDalrymple|GraceDalrymple]]

:Yes, I saw the discussion. I have moved those two pages, as requested. Moving pages is restricted to administrators and SysOps, so it is not your fault, as if you just can't figure out how to move pages...the wiki will not let you. No need to feel bad about it!
:I am happy to help, so just let me know if/when you need further assistance. It's no trouble! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:41, 27 September 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move [[Qanon]] to [[QAnon]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:37, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
:In addition to the above, would you please move [[:Category:Christian social reformers]] for capitalization. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:58, 4 November 2018 (EST)
::Both done --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:00, 6 November 2018 (EST)

Another move request: would you please fix the spelling error in this image title (the word "official" specifically)? [[:File:Enrique Peña Nieto oficial pic.jpg]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:15, 1 December 2018 (EST)

:I think that actually may be deliberate (see: https://www.facebook.com/Enrique-Peña-Nieto-Oficial-1708563375863631). I don't mind moving it if you still think that is needed, but it is protected so someone will need to unlock it first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:28, 1 December 2018 (EST)

::Good point -- it's probably Spanish. However, we are an English-language encyclopedia, so it might still be good to change it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:38, 3 December 2018 (EST)

:::My Spanish is very rusty, but that was my assumption. I'm fine with moving it though. Want me to ask Andy to unlock it? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:30, 3 December 2018 (EST)

::::I would appreciate that. Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:10, 3 December 2018 (EST)

:::::Done! [[:File:Enrique Peña Nieto oficial pic.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:05, 4 December 2018 (EST)

::::::Would you please move this page to capitalize the "M": [[Javier milei]]? Also, please watch your email. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:03, 6 December 2018 (EST)

:::::::Moved. I just thinking about email... --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:05, 6 December 2018 (EST)

::::::::Would you please move [[Ilana mercer]] to [[Ilana Mercer]] and delete the new redirect? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:48, 11 December 2018 (EST)

Done. I have been sometimes leaving the redirects (for a while) so that new editors who don't know how to use RC can still find their pages. However, that may be unnecessary, and since I see you usually delete the redirect anyway, I will plan on just deleting the redirect in the future. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:29, 11 December 2018 (EST)
:Thanks! Regarding redirects, I guess it depends on the specific article. I'm fine deciding case-by-case, since redirects might be more necessary for some articles over others. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:36, 11 December 2018 (EST)
::Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[Eastern Empires vs Western Empires]] to be an essay? I would rather delete it, but it just seems like a low-quality opinion article that could just be reformatted as such. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:13, 20 December 2018 (EST)

:::Done. I was tempted to delete it also, especially considering that it seems to have been made by a disposable account. However, I was waiting to see what others thought. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:02, 20 December 2018 (EST)

While I'm reluctant to rename my "Donald Trump achievements" articles so long after creation, it probably would be a good idea to move [[Donald Trump achievements: Immigration, illegal immigration, and border security]] to [[Donald Trump achievements: Immigration and border security]]. If you agree this is a good idea, would you please do it, and would you then delete the redirect and change every link where I (or someone else) has linked it? Then, I will begin doing the 2-3 article splits I told you about. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:35, 31 December 2018 (EST)

:I agree--that is a repetitive name, so a move makes sense. I have moved the page, and clean up most of the links to the old name. However, I have a little bit of a time crunch right now, so I'm going to need to leave one thing undone: [[Donald Trump]] needs to be unlocked so the link can be updated. I can ask for the unlock later, or you can if you get there first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:02, 31 December 2018 (EST)

Would you please move the article [[Conservative Revolution]] to the "essay" namespace? I don't want to delete it outright, but the article isn't suitable as an encyclopedia article, considering the use of second person, lack of intro paragraph, and the fact it seems to be making an argument like an essay. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:44, 1 July 2019 (EDT)
:Also, please move the article [[Edward feser]] to capitalize the guy's last name. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:16, 5 July 2019 (EDT)
::Also, do you see any problem with these articles: [[Generation Identity]], [[European New Right]]? Either way, they need formatting work. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:56, 5 July 2019 (EDT)

:::I see no glaring issues, on the surface, although the formatting of [[Generation Identity]] suggests that it came from a Wiki. I didn't find any problems with a standard plagiarism check. It needs some cleanup though. [[European New Right]] looks incomplete and need expansion. No glaring issues though.
:::I've moved these pages. Sorry for the wait. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:21, 5 July 2019 (EDT)
::::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:49, 6 July 2019 (EDT)
:::::Would you please move [[Wwe roster]] to capitalize "WWE"? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:12, 10 July 2019 (EDT)

::::::Good idea. I've moved it, but left the redirect for now, so the author doesn't "loose" the page. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:23, 10 July 2019 (EDT)

==Hi==
hi and thank you for move sugguestion to sting. [[User:Massaq25|Massaq25]] ([[User talk:Massaq25|talk]]) 18:23, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
:Hello, and you're welcome! Do you agree? I'm open to other suggestions, I just don't think that "sting" is a sufficiently descriptive title. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:27, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
::DavidB4, I would appreciate it if you would move the page now. No need for a move tag (nobody's going to comment there anyway). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:29, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Moved to [[Steve Borden]] with a redirect from "Sting (wrestler)" --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 30 September 2018 (EDT)

== Quotes ==
Those quotes weren't my own, you should know that, they're from actual people. Also, if it's debatable, then please by all means...refute me. --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 02:48, 1 December 2018 (EST)
:I'm obviously not DavidB4, but I will still point out that a simple Google search shows it's very debatable: [https://health.usnews.com/health-news/health-wellness/articles/2014/07/07/is-abstinence-unhealthy 1],[http://www.nbcnews.com/id/36084314/ns/health-sexual_health/t/no-sex-may-be-no-fun-it-unhealthy/#.XAKfVmhKhPY 2],[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/09/sex-celibacy-friendships-women 3],[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1077378/I-gave-sex-years-ago--best-thing-I-did.html 4] -- the info you added was undue weight, considering the overall size of the article, and it falsely implied that abstinence is a bad thing for your health. It appears that it is only when you really want to have sex and you don't. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:58, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::Yes, it was a very one-sided argument, which is factually questionable. Without getting unnecessarily descriptive, the body does have ways of dealing with some of the stated issues. Research is sketchy if even existent on several of the things you mentioned. Additionally, the first paragraph was written as your own, mot a quote, even though is was a direct copy-and-paste from another source. (That is by definition plagiarism--taking credit for someone else's work.) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:03, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::: ''So what are the health benefits of sex, besides relieving stress and helping you fall asleep? Studies have shown that regular sex has a protective effect on the heart, lowering the risk of heart attack in men. For both men and women, “It increases blood flow to the genitals and probably helps the immune system,” Herbenick says. “All things being equal, it’s also fun when things are going well [in your relationship.]”
''So abstaining – especially long-term – can carry some physical consequences. In women, it can cause the atrophying of underused vaginal or hip muscles, Lindau says. Vaginismus is a common condition characterized by hypersensitivity of the muscles around the opening of the vagina, she adds. Those muscles – along with the pelvic floor muscles – are important for controlling penetration, and they need to be in a relaxed state during sexual intercourse. If they are hyper-contracted – not necessarily from abstinence itself, but accumulated fear or anticipation of the first sexual experience – sex can be very painful. “They say it feels like he’s hit a wall,” Lindausays, adding that vaginismus can be treated.''

I said refute me, but instead you give me extra arguments. Thank you so much. --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 14:20, 1 December 2018 (EST)
:Neither of us are arguing that sex is bad or harmful -- all of the articles I cited said that sex can be good, but abstinence can also be good. You're committing a fallacy by assuming that just because sex is good means that abstinence is bad.
:Unless you get STDs or anything like that from sex, it is just as good as abstinence. The articles made it clear that abstinence does not have harmful side-effects. You need to read the cited articles better. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:30, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::: I guess the only real way to settle this is to get actual data from the field. [[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 15:18, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::::Makuta, are you pushing sex outside of marriage between husband and wife in this website? [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 15:37, 1 December 2018 (EST)
:::::No, I'm pushing for knowledge of the dangers of lifelong abstinence. But even if I was, then there's nothing you can do about it so why are you asking? --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 20:22, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::::::"''dangers of lifelong abstinence''" -- That's ridiculous, and choosing not to have sex (especially outside of heterosexual marriage) is normal, and sex outside of marriage can actually be dangerous (if there are STDs involved). Many people have been abstinent and turned out just fine. You're distorting the facts to make it seem like it's a necessity to have sex in order to be healthy, and if you don't there's a medical problem, when in reality neither option is inherently harmful.
::::::"''But even if I was, then there's nothing you can do about it''" If I'm understanding you correctly, as admins, we can do something about it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:44, 1 December 2018 (EST)

:::::::"''If I'm understanding you correctly, as admins, we can do something about it.''"

:::::::Haha! '''Can'''... --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 21:34, 1 December 2018 (EST)

::::::::Want me to turn it into a "'''Will'''"? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:54, 1 December 2018 (EST)

:::::::::Action without cause. To pardon is true power but you have nothing to pardon, I'm giving you no trouble. --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 22:01, 1 December 2018 (EST)

Makuta Makaveli either has an agenda, or gets his/her information from people who have an agenda to promote casual sex by making abstinence look like a "health hazard." The Atheist YouTuber "MrRepzion" also claimed that one needed to have "trial sex" to see if the two are "sexually compatible." It would help CP if the articles had information debunking these claims [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 12:08, 2 December 2018 (EST)

:Most people argue that there is "no harm" in casual sex--that has become a common claim (although some say is is risky due to STDs). Because of this, there are plentiful materials arguing that claim. However, it is much harder to find support for this claim that is is actually unhealthy to abstain by choice. I've seen a few unscientific blog posts, etc. about it, but nothing verifiable. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist (there is always someone willing to write a paper on some fringe belief which people want to hear--just look at chocolate, for example, where they like to disregard the health costs of sugar and just look at the pure chocolate, which by the way tastes pretty bad on its own) but I'm not finding proof.
:Shobson20, the "try it before you buy it" idea is certainly nothing new in personal relationships. I suspect you are correct in linking these two, as people who would like to engage in this practice would like to have something like this to point to as a defense for their actions. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 3 December 2018 (EST)

== Why did I get blocked by "Minuteman?" ==

I was fixing the damage that "My password is green" was doing. I sometimes notice vandals before CP's admins do, and sometimes I try to help. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 19:23, 15 December 2018 (EST)

:I replied to your email. You did nothing wrong. Thank you for your vigilance, and I apologize for this! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:30, 15 December 2018 (EST)

::What are the qualifications for becoming a sysop on this site? I would like to be able to help by stopping the trolls and vandals who frequently attack this site. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 19:38, 15 December 2018 (EST)

:::As best I can tell, there is no official criteria. However, this page might be useful to answer some basic questions: [[Conservapedia:User_rights]]. Typically, SysOp rights are given to users who have been editing for some time, and proven themselves trustworthy. I don't think there is a specific checklist that you can do, to get these rights. However, the one responsible for promotions is [[User:Aschlafly]], so you might be able to get a better idea from him as to what he specifically looks for. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:59, 15 December 2018 (EST)

I too have just been blocked by {{user|Minuteman}}. I copied over the WP article for [[anarcho-conservatism]], which the WP zealots are about to delete. The text there is mine, though most of the article is still in quotes from references, as more text is needed (hence why I brought it here). — [[User:WisdomTooth3|WisdomTooth3]] ([[User talk:WisdomTooth3|talk]]) 00:17, 1 January 2019 (EST)

:You were blocked for one hour so we could review what you were doing, because you were importing a page from WP which looked a bit like plagiarism. Since it is your own writing, then you may recreate that page, but it could use some improvements. Namely, the quotes themselves can use work, as they do not provide context. If you intend to make further improvements to the page, then we welcome our efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 1 January 2019 (EST)
::Per [[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]]'s suggestion, recreated it [https://www.conservapedia.com/User:WisdomTooth3/Sandbox/Anarcho-conservatism here]. Not sure when I'll be able to improve it. Please feel free to chip in. — [[User:WisdomTooth3|WisdomTooth3]] ([[User talk:WisdomTooth3|talk]]) 03:20, 2 January 2019 (EST)

:::Thank you! I am not a subject matter expert on that topic, so I don't know how much help I can be, but I will look it over later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:32, 2 January 2019 (EST)
::::By the way, it is probably not helpful for the article to link to itself. Unless they point to a specific part of the page, they should probably be removed. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:42, 2 January 2019 (EST)

== Merge proposal ==

What do you think about this merge request: [[Talk:Carbon cycle (astronomy)]]? I am inclined to support it, but it's probably a good idea to get more than one opinion on it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:32, 29 December 2018 (EST)

:I've never really studies that specific topic, but the proposal sounds fine to me. I looked up "carbon cycle" and found a great deal of information, but on the wrong topic. From my limited understanding, a merge sounds like a good idea. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:30, 29 December 2018 (EST)
== tag at bottom of pages "quotation templates" ==

Many of the content pages I create use quotes of other web content. At the bottom of the articles I created using quotes, there is a tag at the bottom of the pages indicating "quotation templates". This is a new and unwanted development.

For example, please look at the bottom of this web page: [[Atheism and mental illness]].

Can we get the "quotation templates" tag to not be there. Before they never used to be there. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:37, 29 December 2018 (EST)

:I made a small mistake, but cannot fix it until [[:template:cquote]] is unlocked again. I'm sorry about that--I should have noticed sooner. Someone needs to add the "noinclude" tags to the category link. If someone unlocks the page, I will fix the issue. Again, sorry about that! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:23, 29 December 2018 (EST)
::I unlocked the page.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:25, 29 December 2018 (EST)

:::Thanks, I believe I fixed it. You can lock it again. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:36, 29 December 2018 (EST)
::::Thanks for fixing the issue. I appreciate it.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:37, 29 December 2018 (EST)

:::::Any time! Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:46, 29 December 2018 (EST)

== Request ==

Would you please check [[Alejandro Garcia Padilla]] for originality? It could be, but many of the refs are formatted like on Wikipedia. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:34, 30 December 2018 (EST)

:Of course! It definitely originated from WP. Slightly edited, but still copied. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_García_Padilla --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:12, 30 December 2018 (EST)

::You beat me to it. Obvious copy from WP, with slight alterations. You don't need to check reference format; just check the text. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:19, 30 December 2018 (EST)

:::Would you please delete all the portions that are copied? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:42, 30 December 2018 (EST)

::::I'll take another look, but I think the whole thing needs to go. Also, this is not the first time. See: [[User_talk:HectorCruz66#Originality]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:45, 30 December 2018 (EST)
:::::Oh, and I didn't mean to ignore you, Sam. Thanks for checking also! You're right--just looking at the pages shows all you need to know. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:54, 30 December 2018 (EST)
::::::Deleting it, then, is the best option. Would you please do that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:22, 30 December 2018 (EST)

:::::::Sure. I'm still looking at it, but sure, I'll delete it unless I find a reason not to. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:37, 30 December 2018 (EST)

Would you please check the page [[James Ritchey]] to see if there's anything problematic (in general, not just originality, since it's two sentences long)? If there's nothing, I guess we can keep it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:45, 17 January 2019 (EST)

:Well, he exists. It seems he's a small-time actor who has been in a few movies I've never heard of, and is barely active on YouTube. This does seem to be relatively original text...all two sentences of it.
:So on to the negative, I firstly find the wording "internet celebrity" rather questionable. I don't see anything suggesting that title. I could be missing something, but from what I'm seeing, he looks more like a wannabe celebrity. Each of his youtube videos has between 1K and 7K views. Assuming those views were not farmed, that still seems a ways away from the numbers a celebrity would have. He second most viewed video seems to be review of a water bottle....I didn't watch it to find out if it is sponsored.
:I suspect he is trying to make a name for himself, which slots this "article" into a suspicious category anyway.
:Bottom line, there is nothing blatantly wrong, but I see why you were questioning it. This smells fishy. I'd be included to nuke it for a lack of notability, but I'm okay with keeping it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:31, 17 January 2019 (EST)

::Oh, and a couple search engines (at least Yahoo and Yandex [and therefore DuckDuckGo]) have already crawled this page, and added it to the first page of results from searching his name. I used a clean OS and browser, so no user history bias there. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:44, 17 January 2019 (EST)

:::If you think that page is an advertisement (which is very likely), then I am perfectly fine deleting it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:18, 17 January 2019 (EST)

::::Ok, I think I'll delete it then. Too many suspicious factors. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:44, 17 January 2019 (EST)

Assuming we should keep this essay (I shouldn't jump to conclusions), it should be moved so we have a colon: [[Essay History of racism and the Democrats]]. Unrelated, there's no mention of how Reconstruction Democrats passed gun control laws to prevent black people from engaging in self-defense. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:48, 18 January 2019 (EST)

:I hadn't gotten the chance to review it yet. I'm moved the page, but I think it might be helpful to keep the redirect for the moment. This seems like a reasonably good essay, so I'm find with keeping it. I will send you an email shortly. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:29, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, I am wondering if any of these images would be acceptable for me to upload (regarding licensing): [https://twitter.com/VP/status/1085692630246350848][https://twitter.com/scavino45/status/1010232867501363200][https://twitter.com/vp/status/1010293228619419648] Also, I am wondering if you know of any free images of the Trump Administration deployment of troops along the border with Mexico late last year? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:18, 20 January 2019 (EST)

:Hi, Twitter is always a little iffy, but these are probably okay. Firstly, images made by an employee of the U.S. government as a part of their duties are automatically in the Public Domain. Secondly, a number of other users here republish twitter images under "Fair use." The first one is ideal, so if this is the case as it looks, use one or more of them for this reason.
:I do not know of any images of troops at the border, and couldn't find any good ones after a quick check. I will look a little more later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 20 January 2019 (EST)
::Thanks! Would you please look over this image to make sure there aren't any problems? [[:File:Donald Trump Angel Families.jpg]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:46, 21 January 2019 (EST)

:::Any time! I do find it a little questionable that Pence took that photo. However, if it was one of his aids, it is still PD. However, if it was taken by the press, it is probably not. I don't know if there is a way to find out who actually took it, since this is a Twitter post. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:05, 21 January 2019 (EST)

::::I don't know where to find who took the picture. I'm assuming it's his office, since I don't see why his office would rely on the media for such a picture.

::::Also, I don't know where else to find a picture of this specific event. I checked the White House's Flickr page, among other pages, but couldn't find anything. If you are able to find a better image, I would appreciate it (you don't have to, though). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 21 January 2019 (EST)

:::::I'm not having much luck either. Let's just go with what you have. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:50, 21 January 2019 (EST)

::::::OK. I wish it were easier to find a free picture of this event, but oh well. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:01, 21 January 2019 (EST)

:::::::Considering all of the cameras in that room, it does seem surprising. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:05, 21 January 2019 (EST)
:::::::Oh, second person to the left of Trump is Pence, so he definitely was not holding the camera :) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:08, 21 January 2019 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, would you please check the newly-created article [[Athanasio Celia]] for originality, and to make quality improvements if you have the time? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:10, 9 February 2019 (EST)

:Hello, it looks like this is a (perhaps slightly revised) copy of an old version of the WP page on the subject. I did not dig through WP, but I'm seeing matches to here: [https://www.amazon.com/Athanasio-Celia/e/B07BG9GB3J%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share] which is an Amazon page quoting WP, and here: [https://en.everybodywiki.com/Athanasio_Celia] which is probably plagiarism as well. This was not a complete match anywhere my tools saw--more like a 30% match or so. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:40, 9 February 2019 (EST)
::Do you think it should be deleted? Either way, the page has formatting/copyedit issues. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:41, 9 February 2019 (EST)

:::It looks like WP deleted it, but "everybodywiki.com" saved a copy. It looks like we should delete it unless we can verify that the original author was the one to post it here. It is worth finding that out first, as it is not uncommon for us to get rescued paged from WP editors. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:49, 9 February 2019 (EST)
::::While we're waiting for the above page to get sorted out, would you please move the page [[Indian struggle]] to [[The Indian Struggle]]? Also, there should probably be a [[Indian Struggle]] page. This whole thing is a mess right now. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:36, 11 February 2019 (EST)
::::Also, if you would take a look at this page, I would appreciate it: [[Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:38, 11 February 2019 (EST)

:::::I am very busy right now, but have moved that page as requested. I will deal with the other issues soon. If I don't do so within a week, feel free to remind me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:38, 11 February 2019 (EST)

::::::Oh dear....Okay, some of that page might be original, but at least some parts, including the fact list are definitely not original. That list is all over the internet. This page: [https://www.libertynation.com/ocasio-cortez-and-the-nazi-connection/] is one possible place this may have come from, but if you take a look at a web search of the any one "fact," you will see that that it is all over the place. It's going to be hard to nail down where it actually came from. In any case, we should challenge it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:05, 12 February 2019 (EST)

== Page improvement ==

Hello DavidB4, it might be worth taking a look at and moving this article: [[Template:Examples of Liberal Bias]]

I think it should probably be moved to a mainspace article or at least have its formatting improved. For example, the template is transcluded in the [[Liberal bias]] article, and if you look at the table of contents, starting at the first "See also" section and below, the template transclusion messes things up. Of course, whether we move this article to mainspace or simply do some formatting fixes, it's going to take some work to get this done. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:44, 28 January 2019 (EST)

:I see what you mean; it is as if someone wanted this to both be a template and a standalone page. It must be one or the other. If it was unlocked, I think I could fix it to work properly as a template, but it would not be a good standalone page. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:50, 29 January 2019 (EST)
::It looks better to me. What do you think...Have I missed any issues? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:27, 29 January 2019 (EST)
:::Looks good to me! The only issue is the double space below the template, as you can see at the [[Liberal bias]] article -- this isn't a big deal, though. It seems to me that the "See also" link on the template is kind of useless (unless someone directly accesses the template, and considering the [[Examples of Liberal Bias]] redirect, that might happen). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:56, 29 January 2019 (EST)
::::Good point, I'd missed that spacing issue, but I think I've fixed it now. That see also link is not included when the page is transcluded, but only shows on the template page itself. I figured that was a reasonable compromise. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:36, 29 January 2019 (EST)
:::::I think it is a reasonable compromise -- thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:21, 29 January 2019 (EST)

== Article move request ==

It might be worth considering moving [[Jane Samantha Fae]] to [[Jane Francesca Fae alias John Ozimek]] -- that's what User:GraceDalrymple did, but how she did it was very poor, simply blanking one page and creating the other one, and she didn't make the first page a proper redirect. For the record, this page appears to be of someone born a male and who now identifies as a woman, so the current female name title may not be appropriate. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:00, 2 March 2019 (EST)
:I'm willing to make the move, but this name makes it sound like "John Ozimek" is the alias, while "Jane Francesca Fae" is the real name. Jane should be first in such a page name, though, since that's probably what someone is going to search for. If I was making the page, I would probably just call it "Jane Francesca" or else put something parenthetical afterwards, like "Jane Francesca Fae (John Ozimek)". If you think "Jane Francesca Fae alias John Ozimek" is best, though, I'll do it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:40, 2 March 2019 (EST)
::I'm thinking it should simply be moved to his real name, John Ozimek, just like the [[Bradley Manning]] and [[Bruce Jenner]] articles were done. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 23:16, 2 March 2019 (EST)
:::Tempting, as we all know that's he still is. However, his legal name is now "Jane," so I'm not sure if we should leave that out altogether. We could. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:58, 3 March 2019 (EST)

::::How about this: [[John Ozimek (Jane Samantha Fae)]]? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:48, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Would you please take a look here: [[Talk:Newfoundland]]? This article might have to be moved. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:55, 17 April 2019 (EDT)

:Confirmed, that's the name now, so I moved it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:13, 17 April 2019 (EDT)

== Great work! ==

Great work in adding those references to [[benefits of capitalism]]!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 13:30, 28 March 2019 (EDT)
:Thanks! It could use some more work, but it's progress. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:40, 28 March 2019 (EDT)

== [[World History Study Guide from 1648]] ==

This article contains a wrong info. "(1923) created the modern state of Turkey, with a combination of military rule and an elected Parliament; also converted the Arabic language to a modern, Latin-style alphabet". Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was a Turk and he converted the Turkish language to Latin-style alphabet. Please correct it. Thank you. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 15:45, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

:I know very little about that page or the history it speaks of, but that page is locked from editing by anyone other than full administrators, so I cannot make this change in any case. You could try asking [[User:Aschlafly]] or [[User:Karajou]] for assistance with this. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:29, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
==Image upload requests==
I requested to upload several images for an essay I am writing and have gotten no reply. Can you please help me? --[[User:ProudGator|ProudGator]] ([[User talk:ProudGator|talk]]) 09:30, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

:Hi, I noticed your request, and I will get to it. Typically, requests are taken in the order they are received, and we have a substantial backlog of request right now. I will do these two soon, but in the future, I will take them in order to be fair to the others making upload requests. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

::I've uploaded three of them. However, the last one you requested is owned by National Geographic, which specifically states that we cannot republish their content. (See [[CP:IUR]] for more information.) --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:27, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

== Image upload ==

If yo could upload one of the images I linked to on Andrew Schlafly's talkpage that'd be great! [[User:JohnSelway|JohnSelway]] ([[User talk:JohnSelway|talk]]) 17:56, 18 April 2019 (EDT)
:Sure: [[:File:Jacinda Ardern, 2018.jpeg]]
:If you need any more done, feel free to add the request to the bottom of [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:00, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

== Look at this edit ==

Please look at this edit: [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia&diff=1519161&oldid=1516763 DavidB4 and Conservapedia]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:39, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

:Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:37, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bay of Pigs switch==
Should the page [[Bay of Pigs]] actually be [[Bay of Pigs invasion]]? One is a place, the other is a historical event. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 14:56, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

:Yes, this should be clarified--thanks for pointing it out! This is a large page with many contributors, so I've put the move template on it as a prior announcement. If no one objects or makes other suggestions, I will move it soon. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:24, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

::Sounds good to me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:27, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

== Editing question ==

Hi DavidB4 and the others!

I just created an account a few days ago and have been doing some adding of pages and editing. Unfortunately, I think I might have gotten a little carried away and did some editing to a page that wasn't mine (Romulus Augustulus, the last Roman emperor) without taking time to check up on editing etiquette. So that I know for future reference, is it generally expected that you shouldn't do significant editing without talking to the original author first?

My apologies to the author; I hope you'll forgive it as just a case of over-enthusiasm.

-Teakin88

:Hi Teakin88, Welcome to Conservapedia! 
:I see nothing unfortunate about some initiative to improve an article--good work! If you are going to make a major point-of-view change, or do something potentially controversial, it would probably be a good idea to first ask on the respective article talk page. If no one objects, then go for it. For general, non-controversial expansions like this, there shouldn't typically be any need to ask. It should also be noted that no one really "owns" articles. There are some articles in which a single editor has made a significant investment (1990'sguy and the [[Donald Trump achievements]] articles come to mind). In those cases, would probably be the courteous thing to do to ask before removing, changing, or contradicting preexisting content. Also, if you plan to change the perspective of an article (i.e., changing the Donald Trump article to say he's a traitor, lair, and jerk) you should probably ask first. However, in most cases, you can just go ahead and make improvements where you see the need. If someone disagrees with an edit you made, they will probably revert that edit and let you know. In that case, respect the senior editor, talk to them, and come to some agreement. I hope this clarifies the matter. If in doubt, it never hurts to ask. Contrary to popular belief, it's often better to ask for permission than forgiveness. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:58, 8 May 2019 (EDT)

::One extra thing -- even for non-controversial changes, I strongly recommend always citing reliable sources. This is helpful as they increase CP's reputability, and they are helpful for readers who want to research a certain topic further in-depth. Thanks for your edits, Teakin88. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:17, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

:::A very good point--yes, please include references. If you used any sources, even just for a basic understanding of the subject, they should always be cited. If you do not have any, I still suggest you do a little research, and find a good source which supports what you are writing. Common knowledge does not need to be cited (i.e. "red is a color") but when you are making an assertion which some reads may not have already known, try to cite it. It shouldn't be particularly difficult, just list the source, such as a URL, and perhaps the date you retrieved it. You are welcome to use any formal citation style, but you are not required or expected to do so. Most editors just paste the link inside of <code><nowiki><ref> </ref></nowiki></code> tags after the statement being referenced. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:10, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

==Historical revisionism and revisionism==
These two pages [[Revisionism]] and [[Historical revisionism]] are basically the same topic and ought to be merged under the banner of the second. I'll start expanding the revisionism page into general themes afterward. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 19:32, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

:That sounds good to me. I'll be a bit busy for the next 4-5 days, but I will merge these when I get the chance. If you want, feel free to move over the valuable content from [[Revisionism]] yourself, and make is page a redirect. Otherwise, I'll do it when I can. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:16, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

::Done: [[Historical revisionism]] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:33, 14 May 2019 (EDT)

== Email is bouncing ==

I sent a message to your email, and it bounced. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 12:41, 14 May 2019 (EDT)

:That's odd! I checked over things on my end, and everything seems to look right. Are you attempting the address listed on my user page? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:51, 14 May 2019 (EDT)
:I was able to send a test message there successfully. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:38, 14 May 2019 (EDT)
::I used the address on your user page, and I get a message from "Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon@googlemail.com>" that says "Message not delivered
There was a problem delivering your message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us. See the technical details below, or try resending in a few minutes.

The response from the remote server was:
550 Mail to davidb4-cp@archnet.us has been suspended" [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 16:58, 16 May 2019 (EDT)

:::Oh, that's my old address. It now bounces emails due to spam. Sorry for the trouble! I changed that public address last December. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:07, 16 May 2019 (EDT)

== Thank you! ==

Thank you for recreating [[User:Ahmed Samoa|my user page]]! [[User:Ahmed Samoa|Ahmed Samoa]] ([[User talk:Ahmed Samoa|talk]])

== A communist troll ==

A Communist troll who first used the Username "MarxistLeninist" is repeatedly making sock accounts and just won't get the message and go away. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 22:54, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

:Thanks for the tip. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 15 July 2019 (EDT)

== Mormons are Christian. ==

Hi, I was reading the page about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I am LDS (Mormon) and this article contains false things about the Church. It quotes Dr. James White, a Christian pastor, who is NOT MORMON and has written many anti-Mormon articles. White does not understand what the Church is about and he claims Mormons are not Christian. We are Christian! People like White and others from mainstream Christian churches misunderstand the doctrines of the LDS Church! I am a convert to the LDS church and there are SO many misconceptions about the Church, things taken out of context and distorted. It's disappointing that a site like this would perpetuate these false accusations. I would like to be able to edit the article if I could, since I am an actual Mormon. I don't know how to go about doing that.

Thank you,

Cindy

:It's understandable that you want to support your church, but why are you trying to isolate Dr. White? You've reduced his contributions to virtually nothing. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 13:04, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

::Thanks for reaching out! I am not personally an expert on Mormonism, so I might not be the right person to ask. However, I will be blunt with you: it seems that Mormonism is classified by many as cult for good reason. For example:
::*The Bible says that there is only one God (for example, see: Isaiah 43:10; 44:6; 45:5). Mormonism, however, says that:
::**there are many gods (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163)
::**There is a mother goddess (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443)
::*The Bible teaches that God is an eternal, infinite being, who created man in His (spiritual) image, but was never himself a man. Mormonism teaches that:
::**God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).
::**"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s..." (Doctrines and Covenants 130:22)
::**God is in the form of a man, (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 3).
::**"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see," (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345).
::Furthermore, it teaches that after you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354), which is outright blasphemy. This sounds like what is written in Genesis 3:5: "For God knows that when you eat from [the tree] your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil," which was spoken by Satan.

::Mormonism is based on Christianity, but so is Islam. Adding new things to Christianity and abrogate parts of scripture is pretty much what cults specialize in. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:17, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

== Article move requests ==

Should the article [[The mossadil]] be kept? If so, please move it to [[The MossadIL]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:49, 7 August 2019 (EDT)
:Initially, this sounded rather like something not notable enough to have an article. However, the account has over 115,000 followers at present. That sounds like a high number, although of course followers can be farmed. Honestly, I pay very little attention to Twitter...do you think that compared to the rest of Twitter, this is notable enough to keep? I find it a little odd having a page about a twitter account, but I'm okay with keeping it. If we do, though, I wonder if a more descriptive name might be better. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:21, 8 August 2019 (EDT)
::115,000 followers doesn't seem that high to me. Trump has over 62 million followers, John Bolton is nearing 700,000, and Matteo Salvini and Nigel Farage of Europe both have over 1 million (see [[Essay:Top conservatives on Twitter]]). If the article is notable otherwise, that's fine, but I don't think the number of followers makes it notable. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 05:41, 9 August 2019 (EDT)

:::Ok, then I say delete it. It might be a good twitter account, but I don't see anything else that makes it notable. There is also a web store behind this account, so there is some monetary motivation for promotion. The account that wrote this CP article is probably not a single-use promo account, but rather probably a good-faith editor. However, I don't think this qualifies as something worth publishing a page about. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:38, 9 August 2019 (EDT)

::::Thanks for deleting.

::::Also, would you please move the newly-created [[Emu war]] article (created, I think, by the same user) to capitalize the "w"? Also, this article needs a massive amount of improvement, and I don't have time at the moment to do so. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:56, 9 August 2019 (EDT)

:::::Good suggestion. As I guess you already noticed, I expanded it somewhat and moved it per your request. There is a great deal more which could be written about this topic, but at least the basics are there for now. Also, I think I will go ahead and make the History category you tried to use. That seems like one which could be useful. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:43, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

== Help:I've been blocked by Minuteman for creating Fredogate page ==
Can someone please help so I can improve the page I started? I've been blocked by Minuteman for creating Fredogate page. No explanation was given and I find his censoring very frustrating since this incident some media personalities call Fredogate, is widely covered in youtube.--[[User:Bearbrau|Bearbrau]] ([[User talk:Bearbrau|talk]]) 19:15, 14 August 2019 (EDT)
:My apologies for that--you did nothing wrong. You were automatically blocked for a 2-hour duration so that we could review your activity—it was nothing personal. Conservapedia gets its fair share of vandalism and internet trolls, so we need to be careful. I noticed this issues and unblocked you seven minutes later, but not before it was an inconvenience. (You were only able to post on our talk pages because you were unblocked.) You may continue where you left off, and should have no further trouble of this sort. If you have any specific questions or concerns, fell free to contact me by email. However, you should be all set to proceed, and this will not be counted against you. Again, Sorry about that! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:26, 14 August 2019 (EDT)

== Two questions/requests ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please take a look at the article [[Mainstream conservative]]? I don't know if this page is to be kept, but it would need significant reworking as it seems rather opinionated. Maybe it should be moved to the "essay" namespace?

Also, would you please keep an eye on the draft [[User:RobSteff/Slovakia]]? It seems like the editor wants to redo CP's [[Slovakia]] page, but some of the intro wording [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slovakia&oldid=910323397 mirrors the WP article] way too closely. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:20, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

:Hi 1990'sguy!
:I rarely see [[Mainstream conservative]], [[movement conservative]], populist conservatives, etc. well defined in comparison to other types of conservatives. If the content here is accurate (I have not verified it, but have no specific reason to doubt it), I think there could be some value in keeping this. As you say, though it will of course need at the very least to be wikified, and should really have some references. It could be considered a subjective explanation and thus an essay, but I think this could be done as a standard article. We do also have an article for [[Movement conservative]]s already, so this might fit in where it is, given a little more work. Do you disagree, though?

:I will also try to keep an eye on the Slovakia article...good idea. It seems promising that this users replied to your comment about copyright/copy-and-paste. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:38, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

::Also, I will note that I'm not sure if Mainstream conservative should focus quite so much on Trump support/opposition. Trump certainly is getting people to show their true colors, but this seems better suited as a separate example, rather than the main point of discussion. Trump will, either in 2020 or 2024, leave office, but chances are, the concept of mainstream conservatives will continue, so I would prefer to see our article on this being more about principles than support/opposition of one person in 2016-2020. I'll post this on that article's talk page as well. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:53, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

==Move request==
Can we move this [[Essay:Rich Man and Parable of Talents]] to [[Parable of the Talents]]? For the most part (with some minor editing) this could be an actual useful article instead of yet another editorial. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 19:45, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
:I'm generally happy to help move things, but as this is Andy's Essay, I wonder if perhaps he should be asked first. Generally, essay space offers special allowances and exceptions which mainspace does not. At present, this piece reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article, so it would need a little editing if it was moved. If he is fine with this, then sure...I would be happy to move it. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:48, 19 August 2019 (EDT)

In the meantime (and not to distract from the above), would you please move [[:Category:British royal family]] to capitalize the last two words? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
:1990'sguy: Good suggestion--I've moved it as you asked. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:38, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
::Thanks! Would you please also look at the move request at [[Talk:Kosice]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:22, 24 August 2019 (EDT)

:::Thanks for pointing that out! I used to be able to monitor all activity on CP, but my availability has decreased such that I can only check retroactively for highlights now. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:14, 24 August 2019 (EDT)

== Article assessment ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please take a look at the newly-created article [[Cruz Derangement Syndrome]]? Is it notable enough to keep, and if so, would it need any other improvements? Also, while I generally like Cruz (with certain exceptions such as trade and his support for a liberal appellate judge in 2014), I know that CP "officially" takes a more critical stance toward him. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:20, 5 September 2019 (EDT)

:Hi 1990'sguy, ''I might step on some toes with this reply, but here goes--don't take this the wrong way.'' I was looking at that earlier, and have been thinking about it. Of course, it needs some style fixes, and some categories. As for the content, this seems more like a joking or borderline humor article/essay, rather than an encyclopedia article, but then again, [[Trump Derangement Syndrome]] does to some extent as well, but we still have that. Some people do have a very strong reflexive response to Cruz which does in many cases seem somewhat unjustified, so I think this may be valid thing to write about in some form.
:The fact of the matter is that neither of these "syndromes" are actual medical conditions or syndromes--this is hyperbole. I question whether that belongs in an encyclopedia, and particularly, the title of an article. Then again, we also use a similar tactic sometimes in reference to scandals (or should-be scandals) by throwing "gate" on the end of it (i.e. [[Obamagate]], [[Muellergate]], [[Climategate]], etc.) which can itself seem rather unprofessional. Basically, I don't like the hyperbole/clickbait title--it seems gimmicky. However, there is something here to be written about, and this will probably fit right in among the others I mentioned (and many more I didn't) --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:44, 5 September 2019 (EDT)

::At least in the case of TDS, that's a term that is now common among conservatives, so it's not like CP made up the term when creating the article. I'm not sure about the other articles you mentioned, but I never heard of the term "Cruz Derangement Syndrome" before seeing this article. However, I won't delete the article and will improve it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:00, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

:::Perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention, then...I've never heard the TDS term anywhere other that CP. I guess I can go either way on CDS. I don't like the terminology, and I generally don't like inventing terms. However, I have no problem with writing about this opposition to Cruz, in some way. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:42, 6 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Actually, it looks like CDS isn't quite a new term either: [https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Cruz+Derangement+Syndrome] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:48, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

What do you think about this article: [[Team plasma]]? It doesn't seem notable to me, but maybe it can be kept? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:35, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

:I agree, it doesn't seem particularly notable. If we keep it, it should be renamed, but I'm not really convinced it is worth having around. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:25, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

::I just deleted it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 07:49, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

:::Also, I don't know how much you know about this technology company, but do you think the recent edits on this article are positive (I think they probably are, but I want to make sure): [[AMD]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:41, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

::::Thanks. I think those edits were well-intentioned. There was a little bit of an oversight there (the posted market share only included one of two types of product), but I corrected it. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:07, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

How should we deal with this article: [[Joel gilbert]]? It's [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Gilbert&oldid=914351777 a copy of a particular version of the Wikipedia article] (compare with even earlier diffs: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Gilbert&oldid=747121431][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Gilbert&oldid=912556288]) -- an editor tried to change (or revert?) the article to his liking, was reverted, and brought his version here. Besides the capitalization error ("gilbert"), is the article appropriate to keep here? I'm leaning delete, but I'm not sure since it isn't the current or accepted Wikipedia version. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:32, 10 September 2019 (EDT)

:If it was all original content, I would seriously consider keeping it. However, certain parts were not written by this individual. If we chop out the plagiarized parts (everything not added in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Gilbert&type=revision&diff=914351777&oldid=914306698 this edit]), this isn't going to be a very good article, since the intro paragraph is the first to go. Either a rewite of these portions is needed, or unfortunately, the whole thing needs to go.
:There are also a few typographical errors (such as the title you pointed out, "'''eared'''" rather than earned, etc.) and a few other improvements which could be made. However, these are not worth making unless the plagiarized material is removed. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:19, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::Would you please make those changes (assuming you have the time and will to do so--if you don't, that's OK)? I'm devoting my CP time right now to work on my Donald Trump achievements project and would rather not spend much time on maintenance work. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:54, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Are the editor's changes sufficient? Upon his request, I deleted the old article title, so please see [[Joel Gilbert]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:22, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Also, in addition to my comment above, I am wondering (assuming you have the time to do so) if you can find any other free images of Trump's meeting with Hungary's prime minister [[Viktor Orban]] this May,[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Trump_amerikai_eln%C3%B6k_%C3%A9s_Orban_Viktor_magyar_minisztereln%C3%B6k.jpg] including on Twitter, Facebook, or wherever. I could only find this image, and I'm not sure even about that because it was uploaded only a few days ago by an apparently new editor and doesn't show licensing information. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:15, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::Apologies, I've been quite busy lately. Most of Joel Gilbert looks pretty good now, but the first paragraph is heavily plagiarized. IF that gets re-written, then we should be all set. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:21, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

:::::As far as photos go, it looks like most news outlets are using Getty Images. They buy a copy of the photo, then own it royalty-free. That means that if we could find a new outlet with a loose copyright policy, we could use it. Unfortunately, most of them have a TOS document a mile long adding prohibitions on top of U.S. copyright law. The only thing I found was [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/13/president-trump-welcomes-prime-minister-of-hungary-viktor-orban-to-white-house-video-and-transcript/ this], which does not seem to have a set of TOS. This means that only copyright law applies, and theoretically, we could use it under the Fair Use clause. Do you agree? Does that look and sound good enough? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:33, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::I don't know much about copyright law, so I will trust your and Andy's judgments on this. If there aren't any better images, that one is what I will upload. Thanks for checking! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:36, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

:::::::Well, I'm no expert on copyright law either...I'm learning as I go. Actually though, here is one which would be legally safer to use, and doesn't have mics in the frame: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Trump_amerikai_eln%C3%B6k_%C3%A9s_Orban_Viktor_magyar_minisztereln%C3%B6k.jpg] Maybe you were looking for something other than what WP/MW have though. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:41, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::::That is the same image that I linked above -- I found it before messaging you, and I asked you if you were able to find other images because this one was uploaded only a few days ago by a new user and doesn't include licensing information. Because of that, I don't want to upload the image, at least until I'm confident it's OK to load. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:48, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

:::::::::Opps, so you did. I looked at it briefly, then went on the hunt. I forgot to check back to make sure that what I found was different. They claim it is under CC, so if you take that at face value, great. However, that's a good point that it may or may not be true. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:56, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

::::::::::If it's uploaded by an experienced editor with believable documentation, I trust it, but if it's a brand new user with poor evidence of proper licensing, I don't trust it. The user linked to some Hungarian website to show where he found the source (the link is a dead link) and claims it's from the website. It could be true, though I can't find any corresponding U.S. government photo. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:19, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

Good point. It looks like the [https://web.archive.org/web/20190514152046/https://www.hirado.hu/kulfold/kulpolitika/cikk/2019/05/14/hasonlo-vilagnezetet-kepvisel-donald-trump-es-orban-viktor file did exist there], but I can't tell anything about licensing, since I don't speak Hungarian. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:28, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
:Google Translate or something could help, and I'll try to do it later when I get the time. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:57, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

== Thank you! ==

Hey David, just wanted to say thanks for the welcome and the advice on the joel gilbert article. Definitely don't wanna mess up anything so I'll go back and fix it! :) I might need a bit of help with the infobox if you wouldn't mind but I might be able to figure it out. Anyhow thank you so much! Feel absolutely free to let me know if anything needs adjustment
[[User:Manny P90|Manny P90]] ([[User talk:Manny P90|talk]]) 14:57, 13 September 2019 (EDT)Manny

:You're welcome, and thank you for your interest in improving it! One thing still concerns me..the first paragraph doesn't seem to be original. Could you perhaps re-write that intro? As for the template, I'd be happy to try to help you, but our inforbox template is significantly different that Wikipedia's, so you can't do a a simple copy-and-paste of that. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:38, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

== New WP articles ==

Hello DavidB4, when you get the chance, please take a look at these two articles: [[Malik Obama]] and [[Dreams from My Real Father]]. The editor who created them stated that they were copied from Wikipedia articles that have been deleted (thus, they may not be original). I already wrote a very short message to the user. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:10, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

:Hi 1990'sguy, I noticed those come in, but didn't have the time to investigate then. At the very least, they need cleanup, but I also am suspicious of their originality. There are similarities between [[Malik Obama]] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama#Malik_Obama this], and [[Dreams from My Real Father]] looks like a slight rewrite of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreams_from_My_Real_Father this], although it could be the other way around. They at least need some cleanup; I'm leaning towards deletion, but this user has responded in the past, so it could be this is slightly more than just a dump and run maneuver. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:11, 4 October 2019 (EDT)
::Would you please also take a look at this article: [[Nicholas J Fuentes]]? It might not be appropriate to keep on CP. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:53, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

:::I don't see any evidence of plagiarism, and it isn't a wreck like some text dumps, so that's a good start. My main concern is with the matter of notability. It seems that he is somewhat publicly recognized, although he doesn't seem to have a great deal of publicity. He also seems to be in this to make a profit--that's not inherently bad (many talk shows and publications are for-profit endeavors, which I don't mind), but it is worth noting that by giving him some much-needed publicity, we may be helping out his profit margin. Based on these factors, I might lean towards deletion. However, while I don't want RW to decide what we do and do not have, I noticed that they do have an article about this guy (although I didn't bother to read their pig slop). What do you think? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:01, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

::::I made some copyedits, though the title might need to be moved. We could keep it, though the wording might need to be changed to make it sound less promotional. Also, I'm having trouble determining whether he's a consistent conservative or an "alt-right" person, though it looks like the former is more accurate. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:58, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

:::::I don't know much about him, and all I can find seems to be name-calling, ad hominem attacks, etc. which are loaded with bias. I will somewhat take back what I said about not much publicity...after digging a bit more, I have found a quantity of the standard liberal attack pieces against him, saying things like "Well, he said on Thursday that he is not a white supremacist and opposes violence, but actually the opposite is true, and random democrat xyz says that he is trying to play the victim here, and not simply being attacked for his views."
:::::It seems he had to leave his college because of these attacks, death threats, etc. after making his political views known. 'm starting to think maybe we should keep an article about him. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:41, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

::::::That sounds good to me, so I'll accept keeping the article, though it may need further improvements. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:11, 6 October 2019 (EDT)

The [[Malik Obama]] and [[Dreams from My Real Father]] still haven't been edited by the article creator. What should we do with them? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:15, 15 October 2019 (EDT)

== Cult leader Adnan Oktar ==

Hi. Could you please upload a picture of [[Harun Yahya|Adnan Oktar]]'s old and new look? I found this picture: [http://www.mavikocaeli.com.tr/resimler/iste-adnan-oktar-in-karanlik-gecmisi-unlu_11038318_39_fe5ee97f1d33bbc62e23.jpg]. Search results: [https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNSvWCIzFVBVujBE79-3Cfj1nZt-hA%3A1570459097293&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=625&ei=2U2bXcWiD6SorgS-uanwDQ&q=Adnan+Oktar+eski&oq=Adnan+Oktar+eski&gs_l=img.3..35i39l2j0i30l3j0i8i30.1823.15117..15325...1.0..0.173.2613.0j17......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0.AJMOrW1Xhl8&ved=0ahUKEwiF84CFsIrlAhUklIsKHb5cCt4Q4dUDCAY&uact=5]. If you want, you can upload an old and a new photo of him side by side. Thanks. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 10:42, 7 October 2019 (EDT)
:Conservapedia needs to follow copyright laws. Please upload this picture: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Adnan_oktar_01.jpg

:I would do it myself, but I have a very full schedule today.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 10:58, 7 October 2019 (EDT)

::I'll certainly upload this one, Wikignome72. See: [[:File:Adnan oktar 01.jpg]].
::Andrewlee, If we can find a copy of the other which is under a [[Creative Commons]] license, or is in the [[public domain]], that would be good. We might be able to use a copyrighted one under the [[Fair use]] clause, but that is more difficult.
::My favorite places to search for images with relaxed licensing are:
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org Wikimedia commons]
*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 Flickr.com]
but there any many others also, such as these:
*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile.com]
*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures.net]

::Let me know if you have any luck. Thanks!

== Requesting help with article about our ministry. [[User:Abranch|Abranch]] ([[User talk:Abranch|talk]]) 13:55, 16 October 2019 (EDT)abranch ==

David, can you help me? I'm trying to edit a page on my organization, Global Media Outreach, which seems to be frequently vandalized. We didn't even add the page on us; just came across it while researching something. When I first found it it was completely negative. Some organization called Billion Bibles seems to have a criticism with us, so I edited our page and just put forth the gospel as we share it on the page so that people can make their own judgment about whether or not we have some kind of deficient version of it (we don't). Last month, the criticism reappeared as a link to the BillionBIbles organization again. They seem desperate to both link to themselves from anyone searching Conservapedia for info about us and to smear us. I don't want to publicly criticize them, just to remove their unjustified criticism of us. Thanks for any help or advice you can provide! [[User:Abranch|Abranch]] ([[User talk:Abranch|talk]]) 13:55, 16 October 2019 (EDT)abranch

Global Media Outreach

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[[File:Global Media Outreach.jpg|thumbnail|200px|right|Global Media Outreach is a partner ministry of [[CRU]].]]
'''Global Media Outreach''' is an internet evangelism ministry, a partner ministry of [[CRU]].

Global Media Outreach indicates that as of September 2019 over 1,900,000,000 "gospel visits" have occured via their websites.<ref> [https://www.globalmediaoutreach.com/impact Global Media Outreach - Impact]</ref> Global Media Outreach works with many Christians around the world (see: [[Global atheism]]).

Global Media Outreach (GMO) presents a biblical gospel message in many languages worldwide. When visitors respond with contact information, trained volunteers follow up with them for verification they understand and have committed themselves to Christ according to His teachings. Partnering with organizations like '''YouVersion''',<ref>[http://godlife.com/bible/download?language=en] YouVersion</ref> Global Media Outreach ensures contacts has access to digital Bibles which are readable in multiple languages.

Referencing the '''Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization''',<ref>[http://www.lausanne.org/content/lop/lop-3#4] Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization</ref> "To evangelize is to spread the good news that Jesus Christ died for our sins and was raised from the dead according to the Scriptures, and that as the reigning Lord he now offers the forgiveness of sins and the liberating gift of the Spirit to all who repent and believe. Our Christian presence in the world is indispensable to evangelism, and so is that kind of dialogue whose purpose is to listen sensitively in order to understand. But evangelism itself is the proclamation of the historical, biblical Christ as Savior and Lord, with a view to persuading people to come to him personally and so be reconciled to God. In issuing the Gospel invitation we have no liberty to conceal the cost of discipleship. Jesus still calls all who would follow him to deny themselves, take up their cross, and identify themselves with his new community. The results of evangelism include obedience to Christ, incorporation into his church and responsible service in the world.”- Lausanne Movement, 1975 ('''John Stott''',<ref>[http://www.johnstottmemorial.org/] John Stott</ref> chairman of drafting committee)

== Criticism of Global Media Outreach ==

Global media outreach is criticized by Christians for not giving a valid message in term of a salvation message as far as their evangelism efforts.<ref>[http://www.billionbibles.org/global-media-outreach.html Global Media Outreach]</ref>

== A few of Global Media Outreach's many online presentations ==
<div style="margin-left:20px; background-color:#FFEEC8">
'''God Loves You!'''

The Bible says, "God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life"

''The problem is that...''

All of us have done, said or thought things that are wrong. This is called sin, and our sins have separated us from God.

The Bible says "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." God is perfect and holy, and our sins separate us from God forever. The Bible says "The wages of sin is death."

''The good news is that'', about 2,000 years ago,

God sent His only Son Jesus Christ to die for our sins.

Jesus is the Son of God. He lived a sinless life and then died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins. "God demonstrates His own love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us."

Jesus rose from the dead and now He lives in heaven with God His Father. He offers us the gift of eternal life—of living forever with Him in heaven if we accept Him as our Lord and Savior.

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except by Me."

God reaches out in love to you and wants you to be His child. "As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe on His name." You can choose to ask Jesus Christ to forgive your sins and come in to your life as your Lord and Savior.

''If you want to accept Christ as your Savior and turn from your sins,'' you can ask Him to be your Savior and Lord by praying a prayer like this:

"Lord Jesus, I believe you are the Son of God. Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins. Please forgive my sins and give me the gift of eternal life. I ask you in to my life and heart to be my Lord and Savior. I want to serve you always."

From [http://godlife.com/gospel GodLife.com/gospel]
</div>
 
<div style="margin-left:20px; background-color:#C7FFF2">
Once there was a young man who had committed a murder. He had killed an elderly couple to get some money so he could buy drugs. He one day was caught and put in prison. He lost his family, friends; no one in the society wanted to talk to him or be his friend. He was so lonely and never thought he would be normal again. In the prison he was given a book and the book said that God loved him. He started reading this book and soon found that there was someone who loved him, someone who was willing to forgive him, someone who was willing to love him.

We all at some time in our life have done things that are not right. We all have felt guilty and terrible about these things. But, is there a respite? What is wrong with me? Will anyone accept me despite my wrongdoings? Yes! There is some who loves you, and forgives you because He created You and loves you more than anyone.

There is a Creator and He created heaven, earth, and all the things in the world. He is the only God and He loves Man.
God created angels, but “Satan” and the angels who followed him did not listen to God and so God expelled them from heaven. God put man and woman in a perfect place to live. They listened to God and had a good connection with God who was with them.

One day the man and the woman listened to Satan instead of God...
and their good connection with God was broken, and they were separated from God. This separation results in the curse of death. God still loved Man and gave them the law so that man would know good from evil. The Law shows what separates Man from God. The Law was not enough to save Man from sin. God sacrificed Jesus for all the sins of Man. Jesus was fully man and fully God. Jesus healed people and gave them forgiveness. He lived a sinless life.

Jesus was the perfect sacrifice...
He died by crucifixion; He was innocent but judged as a criminal. After Jesus died He was buried in a tomb, but on the 3rd day He rose to life breaking the curse of death.

God said He would forgive...
every person who accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior and turns away from their sinful life.

Are you ready to turn away from your sinful life and listen to God? You can ask Jesus to become your Savior and Lord of your life by praying a prayer like this:
Lord Jesus, I believe you are the Son of God. Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins. Please forgive my sins and give me the gift of eternal life. I ask you in to my life and heart to be my Lord and Savior. I want to serve you always.

From [http://godlife.com/kindness GodLife.com/kindness]
</div>
 
<div style="margin-left:20px; background-color:#FFEEC8">
'''Begin Today on Your New Journey'''

''First'', understand that we are separated from God. The chasm separating us from God is both wide and deep. It's the result of our inheriting a fatal defect at birth. Because of this we have lived our lives independently from him. The Bible emphasizes this stark reality: "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Which is exactly why we need a savior!

''Second'', understand who Jesus is, and what he has done for us. Jesus bridged the wide gulf that separates us from God. He came to earth as the Son of God. He was born to a virgin. He led a sinless life, died and was buried. He rose again and later went up into heaven where he became both Lord and Christ.

Jesus, and he alone, is qualified to be the remedy for our sins. What he did totally satisfied God's requirements. In the apostle John's words: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John: 3:16).

'''Repent and Believe'''

''Finally'', repent and believe! We begin our new, personal relationship with God when we repent and believe.

To repent is to say to the Father, "God, help me. I want to turn toward you and away from the life I've lived on my own. I am sorry for who I've been and what I have done and I want to permanently change. I receive your gift of forgiveness for my sins."

To believe is to affirm for ourselves the reality that Jesus is the Son of God, the One who died for our sins, and to receive him as our Savior and Lord. This is emphatically promised in John's gospel: "To all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God" (John 1:12).

'''Begin Now'''

Would you like to receive Jesus Christ as your savior? If you would, you can pray a prayer to God like this:

"Jesus, I need you. I repent for the life I've lived apart from you. Thank you for dying on the cross to take the penalty for my sins. I believe you are God's Son and I now receive you as my Lord and Savior. I commit my life to follow you."

From: [http://caniknowgod.com/en?v=14811488198923574#believingingod Can I Know God]
</div>
 
<div style="margin-left:20px; background-color:#B6FFB6">
God is all-powerful and holy. He tells us in the Bible that He loves each of us. All people are made in His likeness. Everyone is important to God. Despite this, we all rebel against Him and are shamed by our sin. We have failed to give glory to God for His love for us. We are helpless to restore our honor. Our shame separates us from God forever. But God’s great love for us provides a way for you and your family to regain honor. Becoming His child places you in the exalted position of being in God’s family.

How can your shame be removed? God came in the form of a man, Jesus, to take our shame away and restore our honor. Jesus lived a pure and honorable life, but was crucified on the cross by evil people. Our Lord loved everyone and died taking all the world’s sin and shame with him on the cross. When He He rose from the dead, He went to heaven in glory, where He hears our prayers.

To enter God’s family, you must accept Jesus as Lord and give allegiance to Him. Receiving Him gives you the right to be an honored child of God.

The Bible tells us, “God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Jesus died for us.” In His death Jesus took the shame we brought on ourselves. Jesus rose to life and became our mediator with God.

You and your family can each pray to ask Jesus to be your Lord and savior and give you the honor of being in God’s family. Then read the Holy Bible to learn more about Jesus.

"Lord Jesus, I believe you died on the cross to cover my shame. Please forgive my sins and bring me into God’s family forever so that my family and I may give you allegiance and honor as our Lord and Savior. We want to serve you always."

From the "[https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/next-steps/id663385300?mt=8 Next Steps App]"
</div>

== See also ==

*[[Internet evangelism]]

== External links ==

*[http://www.globalmediaoutreach.com/ Global Media Outreach]
*[https://www.facebook.com/GlobalMediaOutreach/?fref=ts Global Media Outreach - Facebook]

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

[[Category:Christian Organizations]]

Global Media Outreach

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Abranch: Editor made an unfounded assertion about our ministry based upon a criticism page at an obscure ministry site. We do not know who BillionBibles.org is, but they seem to dislike us.

[[File:Global Media Outreach.jpg|thumbnail|200px|right|Global Media Outreach is a partner ministry of [[CRU]].]]
'''Global Media Outreach''' is an internet evangelism ministry, a partner ministry of [[CRU]].

Global Media Outreach indicates that as of September 2019 over 1,900,000,000 "gospel visits" have occured via their websites.<ref> [https://www.globalmediaoutreach.com/impact Global Media Outreach - Impact]</ref> Global Media Outreach works with many Christians around the world (see: [[Global atheism]]).

Global Media Outreach (GMO) presents a biblical gospel message in many languages worldwide. When visitors respond with contact information, trained volunteers follow up with them for verification they understand and have committed themselves to Christ according to His teachings. Partnering with organizations like '''YouVersion''',<ref>[http://godlife.com/bible/download?language=en] YouVersion</ref> Global Media Outreach ensures contacts has access to digital Bibles which are readable in multiple languages.

Referencing the '''Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization''',<ref>[http://www.lausanne.org/content/lop/lop-3#4] Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization</ref> "To evangelize is to spread the good news that Jesus Christ died for our sins and was raised from the dead according to the Scriptures, and that as the reigning Lord he now offers the forgiveness of sins and the liberating gift of the Spirit to all who repent and believe. Our Christian presence in the world is indispensable to evangelism, and so is that kind of dialogue whose purpose is to listen sensitively in order to understand. But evangelism itself is the proclamation of the historical, biblical Christ as Savior and Lord, with a view to persuading people to come to him personally and so be reconciled to God. In issuing the Gospel invitation we have no liberty to conceal the cost of discipleship. Jesus still calls all who would follow him to deny themselves, take up their cross, and identify themselves with his new community. The results of evangelism include obedience to Christ, incorporation into his church and responsible service in the world.”- Lausanne Movement, 1975 ('''John Stott''',<ref>[http://www.johnstottmemorial.org/] John Stott</ref> chairman of drafting committee)

== Criticism of Global Media Outreach ==

Global media outreach is criticized by some Christians for not giving a valid message in term of a salvation message as far as their evangelism efforts.<ref>[http://www.billionbibles.org/global-media-outreach.html Global Media Outreach]</ref>

== A few of Global Media Outreach's many online presentations ==
<div style="margin-left:20px; background-color:#FFEEC8">
'''God Loves You!'''

The Bible says, "God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life"

''The problem is that...''

All of us have done, said or thought things that are wrong. This is called sin, and our sins have separated us from God.

The Bible says "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." God is perfect and holy, and our sins separate us from God forever. The Bible says "The wages of sin is death."

''The good news is that'', about 2,000 years ago,

God sent His only Son Jesus Christ to die for our sins.

Jesus is the Son of God. He lived a sinless life and then died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins. "God demonstrates His own love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us."

Jesus rose from the dead and now He lives in heaven with God His Father. He offers us the gift of eternal life—of living forever with Him in heaven if we accept Him as our Lord and Savior.

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except by Me."

God reaches out in love to you and wants you to be His child. "As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe on His name." You can choose to ask Jesus Christ to forgive your sins and come in to your life as your Lord and Savior.

''If you want to accept Christ as your Savior and turn from your sins,'' you can ask Him to be your Savior and Lord by praying a prayer like this:

"Lord Jesus, I believe you are the Son of God. Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins. Please forgive my sins and give me the gift of eternal life. I ask you in to my life and heart to be my Lord and Savior. I want to serve you always."

From [http://godlife.com/gospel GodLife.com/gospel]
</div>
 
<div style="margin-left:20px; background-color:#C7FFF2">
Once there was a young man who had committed a murder. He had killed an elderly couple to get some money so he could buy drugs. He one day was caught and put in prison. He lost his family, friends; no one in the society wanted to talk to him or be his friend. He was so lonely and never thought he would be normal again. In the prison he was given a book and the book said that God loved him. He started reading this book and soon found that there was someone who loved him, someone who was willing to forgive him, someone who was willing to love him.

We all at some time in our life have done things that are not right. We all have felt guilty and terrible about these things. But, is there a respite? What is wrong with me? Will anyone accept me despite my wrongdoings? Yes! There is some who loves you, and forgives you because He created You and loves you more than anyone.

There is a Creator and He created heaven, earth, and all the things in the world. He is the only God and He loves Man.
God created angels, but “Satan” and the angels who followed him did not listen to God and so God expelled them from heaven. God put man and woman in a perfect place to live. They listened to God and had a good connection with God who was with them.

One day the man and the woman listened to Satan instead of God...
and their good connection with God was broken, and they were separated from God. This separation results in the curse of death. God still loved Man and gave them the law so that man would know good from evil. The Law shows what separates Man from God. The Law was not enough to save Man from sin. God sacrificed Jesus for all the sins of Man. Jesus was fully man and fully God. Jesus healed people and gave them forgiveness. He lived a sinless life.

Jesus was the perfect sacrifice...
He died by crucifixion; He was innocent but judged as a criminal. After Jesus died He was buried in a tomb, but on the 3rd day He rose to life breaking the curse of death.

God said He would forgive...
every person who accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior and turns away from their sinful life.

Are you ready to turn away from your sinful life and listen to God? You can ask Jesus to become your Savior and Lord of your life by praying a prayer like this:
Lord Jesus, I believe you are the Son of God. Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins. Please forgive my sins and give me the gift of eternal life. I ask you in to my life and heart to be my Lord and Savior. I want to serve you always.

From [http://godlife.com/kindness GodLife.com/kindness]
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'''Begin Today on Your New Journey'''

''First'', understand that we are separated from God. The chasm separating us from God is both wide and deep. It's the result of our inheriting a fatal defect at birth. Because of this we have lived our lives independently from him. The Bible emphasizes this stark reality: "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Which is exactly why we need a savior!

''Second'', understand who Jesus is, and what he has done for us. Jesus bridged the wide gulf that separates us from God. He came to earth as the Son of God. He was born to a virgin. He led a sinless life, died and was buried. He rose again and later went up into heaven where he became both Lord and Christ.

Jesus, and he alone, is qualified to be the remedy for our sins. What he did totally satisfied God's requirements. In the apostle John's words: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John: 3:16).

'''Repent and Believe'''

''Finally'', repent and believe! We begin our new, personal relationship with God when we repent and believe.

To repent is to say to the Father, "God, help me. I want to turn toward you and away from the life I've lived on my own. I am sorry for who I've been and what I have done and I want to permanently change. I receive your gift of forgiveness for my sins."

To believe is to affirm for ourselves the reality that Jesus is the Son of God, the One who died for our sins, and to receive him as our Savior and Lord. This is emphatically promised in John's gospel: "To all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God" (John 1:12).

'''Begin Now'''

Would you like to receive Jesus Christ as your savior? If you would, you can pray a prayer to God like this:

"Jesus, I need you. I repent for the life I've lived apart from you. Thank you for dying on the cross to take the penalty for my sins. I believe you are God's Son and I now receive you as my Lord and Savior. I commit my life to follow you."

From: [http://caniknowgod.com/en?v=14811488198923574#believingingod Can I Know God]
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God is all-powerful and holy. He tells us in the Bible that He loves each of us. All people are made in His likeness. Everyone is important to God. Despite this, we all rebel against Him and are shamed by our sin. We have failed to give glory to God for His love for us. We are helpless to restore our honor. Our shame separates us from God forever. But God’s great love for us provides a way for you and your family to regain honor. Becoming His child places you in the exalted position of being in God’s family.

How can your shame be removed? God came in the form of a man, Jesus, to take our shame away and restore our honor. Jesus lived a pure and honorable life, but was crucified on the cross by evil people. Our Lord loved everyone and died taking all the world’s sin and shame with him on the cross. When He He rose from the dead, He went to heaven in glory, where He hears our prayers.

To enter God’s family, you must accept Jesus as Lord and give allegiance to Him. Receiving Him gives you the right to be an honored child of God.

The Bible tells us, “God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Jesus died for us.” In His death Jesus took the shame we brought on ourselves. Jesus rose to life and became our mediator with God.

You and your family can each pray to ask Jesus to be your Lord and savior and give you the honor of being in God’s family. Then read the Holy Bible to learn more about Jesus.

"Lord Jesus, I believe you died on the cross to cover my shame. Please forgive my sins and bring me into God’s family forever so that my family and I may give you allegiance and honor as our Lord and Savior. We want to serve you always."

From the "[https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/next-steps/id663385300?mt=8 Next Steps App]"
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== See also ==

*[[Internet evangelism]]

== External links ==

*[http://www.globalmediaoutreach.com/ Global Media Outreach]
*[https://www.facebook.com/GlobalMediaOutreach/?fref=ts Global Media Outreach - Facebook]

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

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User talk:DavidB4

2017-09-20T22:14:14Z

Abranch: Some rationale behind how GMO shares the gospel

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== Question ==

What do you think of this edit?[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Sunni&curid=12296&diff=1326541&oldid=1260905] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:30, 28 March 2017 (EDT)
: I don't quite know what to think. The grammar is pretty bad, for sure. As for the content, I do not really understand the difference, so I can't say if it is true or not. I was rather hoping someone with a better understanding of the factions would review it. Do you have any idea of its acuracy? In the meantime, I'll try a more rounabout approach. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:20, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

== move request / delete request ==

I think I've put in the correct template notices, but it seems that communicating with you directly. as the "mover/deleter-in-chief" is more effective.

Please delete [[Spacetime]] and rename [[Curvature of spacetime]] on top of it.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, the templates look right. I'd be happy to help (and you did get a chuckle out of me with "mover/deleter-in-chief") but unfortunately, I cannot delete pages. I can move, but that's all. I'll ask someone else to delete it, then do the move unless they do it before me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:36, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
::Okay, done --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:26, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

== "Dewey Defeats Truman" ==

I already asked Andy, but is there any way to find or upload old newspaper articles, particularly the 1948 "Dewey Defeats Truman" ''Chicago Tribune'' article (not the fMous image, but the actual article)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:The problem is that the newspaper itself is copyrighted, as far as I know. If we could get written permission from the Chicago Tribune, that would be ideal. Otherwise, we can only go down the slippy slope of "Fair use." I'll try to do a little research, but I don't know if there is much we can do other than linking to the image/article directly. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:51, 8 April 2017 (EDT)

::The [[Harry Truman]] article has several newspaper images displayed on it (unfortunately, not the "Dewey wins" one). Is there any difference with those, or were those mistakenly uploaded? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:15, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Hmmm... good point. They claimed "fair use." I know WP uses copyrighted things with impunity, just claiming it is "fair use." However, i don't really know what legal ground they have to stand on. That's why I usually differ to Mr. Schlafly on Fair Use topics. it occurs to me that the Chicago Tribune might have some published terms of use. If we could find those, it might help. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:28, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
::::The proposed use of the photo to decorate the [[Fake News]] article would not be fair use. If you had a discussion of the ''Tribune'' or of the photo itself, that could potentially be a fair use. If I were the permissions editor of the ''Tribune'' (a company that currently operates a for-profit website), I would not give you permission to use the photo on an article that calls it (and the ''Tribune'') "fake news." Again, there are several copyrights involved, the photographer's, the underlying newspaper, and anyone who altered or "touched up" the photo since it was taken. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 15:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::I had a feeling it would not--you're right, especially if we are asking so we can essentially berate them, it would not be in their best interests to agree. Thanks for the input! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:30, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Conservapedia IRC channel ==

I don't think the IRC channel is active anymore.

I could be wrong, but I think IRC channels make your computer very susceptible to malware attacks. I think a weekly or biweekly Skype conference chat would be better for those who are interested. Skype is a very secular network. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:I could also be wrong, but I'm not aware of any penetration risks with IRC. The beauty of IRC is its simplicity--there are no local scripts, cross-site scripts, databases, or other fancy features--it's just text. IRC client programs should not have any significant computer access, so there shouldn't be much risk--I think. I did a little research, and couldn't find any articles on vulnerabilities either, but nothing it perfect.
:The main thing is that not all IRC networks use encryption, so conversations may not be secure. However, IRC channels are usually intended to be public anyway, so that is not a major issue. Also, encryption can be set up if needed.
:Anyway, Skype conferences could work, I suppose, although a scheduled occasional thing does not promote the casual conversation which can occur in IRC or some other chat room style place. Still, it might be a good chance for people to talk. If something like that is developed, I would be interested in joining. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::Please set up a Conservapedia IRC channel. Conservapedia could use more of a sense of community. And then ask for the IRC channel to be mentioned on the main page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:01, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Oh! okay, will do. I need to research a good network, since my old favorite has degenerated. I'll get back to you once its done. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:55, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::::Question: Should all users be required to register an IRC account before they can talk?
::::I'm setting up a channel which is not ready yet, so I don't want to post the info openly. I can e-mail it to you though, if you would like. If we decide to keep this, I'll also need to know who to set as IRC SysOps. I will be one automatically, since I'm creating it, but I can add others to several different permission levels. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:44, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::Okay, I think I have something reasonably set up. It is #conservapedia @irc.AccessIRC.net
:::::Thoughts? If you joint sometimes and register a nick, I can set you (and all other CP admins) to have SysOp rights. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:48, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::Here is a [https://kiwiirc.com/client?settings=7c7240c62a5d4861a8ad0ba697929f39 web client link], too, if that's easier. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Image typo ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[:File:Donald Trump with Nei Gorsuch Jan. 31, 2017.jpg]] in order to correct my spelling error on Gorsuch's first name? After that, is it OK if you request Andy to delete the redirect, as well as the redirect "[[Fake news]]"? (for the latter, so [[Fake News]] -- notice the "N" -- can be moved there, per JDano's request). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:Of course, moved as requested. I'm sure it's fine to ask Andy--you can you it yourself, but I did it this time, since I'm already thinking about it anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 03:10, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::All done, with Andy's help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:02, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:23, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Merge cats? ==

Do you think [[:Category:Weaponry]] and [[:Category:Weapons]] should be merged together? Or should one of those cats become a subcategory of the other? Right now, they are not related in any way, other than having one of the same parent cats. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:44, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
:That sounds like an excellent idea.... I don't see a difference either, so I agree that they should be merged. There's no need to make things more complicated than needed. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])

Would you also please move the article [[Occupy democrats]] so the "D" is capitalized? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:39, 17 April 2017 (EDT)
:Good idea, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:56, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

== Moving Pages ==

I think there's a problem with some article names that you may be able to fix. One of the New Testament books is named Titus. However, the page on [[Titus]] on Conservapedia goes to a Roman emperor, not the biblical book. Instead, the New Testament books Conservapedia page is on [[Epistle to Titus]], a rather awkward name to say the least.

So, I want to request you to move the page on the Roman emperor to a new article that should be titled [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]] (the emperors full name), and [[Epistle to Titus]] should be moved to simply Titus. Thanks for reading.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 23:29, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
:Personally, I like the "Epistle of Titus" name. I think moving the article of the Roman emperor is a good idea, but I personally disagree with moving the article of the biblical book. I think that once the Roman emperor's article is moved, the "Titus" redirect should be re-redirected to "Epistle of Titus". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
I guess having a direct page works as well, but I'd prefer devoting a biblical book to its own name, 'epistle' of course is an interpretation.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 10:15, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

:I think it might be a bit presumptive to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, since "Titus" is a name used over and over. Perhaps a disambiguation page would be appropriate under that name? A redirect would work also, as 1990'sguy suggested, but if we do that, a disambiguation statement should probably be added to the top of Epistle to Titus. In any case, I agree on moving Titus to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, so I'll start with that. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
Since you moved the Roman emperor to [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]], the article [[Titus]] has simply become nothing more than a redirect page to the Roman emperor. So I see no problem in simply moving [[Epistle to Titus]] to what is now a redirection page. I don't see any other type of article that could take up the [[Titus]] page, the biblical book seems to be the only one to warrant that name. So I'd still advocate my initial thoughts. Also -- not everyone may know what 'epistle' means, best to keep it simple.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:46, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::I'm still torn was to which is the better option. However, a full admin must delete [[Titus]] before [[Epistle to Titus]] could be moved there anyway. I made [[Titus]] a disambiguation page, which is all I can do. If you want to get Epistle to Titus moved to Titus, you will need to ask an administrator, such as [[User:Jpatt]], [[User:Karajou]], or [[User:Aschlafly]]. I still haven't decided what's better, but it's out of my hands anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: I had presumed you were capable of moving pages. Anyways, I brought this to [[User:Jpatt]].[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:24, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::You assumed correctly, but I can only move pages when there is nothing preexisting under the destination name. Since there was already a page under [[Titus]], I cannot move anything on top of that. An administrator needs to delete the existing page first, before a move can be completed. I should have thought of that sooner. Anyway, sorry I can't help more, but let me know if there is anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:19, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: You've already done enough by redirecting me to [[User:Jpatt]]. I made two requests to Jpatt, to move [[Epistle to Titus]] to [[Titus]], and rename the page [[Queen Gorgo of Sparta]] to simply [[Gorgo of Sparta]]. Both requests have been granted, [[Titus]] is now a page for the biblical book, whereas [[Epistle to Titus]] simply redirects to the biblical book. All seems well now -- and thanks![[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 15:54, 25 April 2017 (EDT)

DavidB4, would you please move the article [[St Gall]] to [[St. Gallen]]? The latter is the correct name of the Swiss city. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

:I would but now cannot, because the content has been copied over. A full admin will need to delete [[St. Gallen]], revert the change to [[St Gall]], then preform the move. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

::I've asked Jpatt to resolve this. See: [[User_talk:Jpatt#Moving_Pages]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:19, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

Hey David. Another request, if I may. Could you move [[Tiberius]] to [[Tiberius Caesar Augustus]], the full name of the emperor, and make it so that [[Tiberius]] is simply a proper redirect page?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Anti-Trump" article ==

Would you please move the article [[Anti-Trump]] to [[Never Trump movement]]? (is there supposed to be a space between "Never" and "Trump" or not?) This move would be to differentiate the movement from [[Opposition to Donald Trump]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:41, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
:Done. Just because the "hash tag" does not have a space doesn't mean there shouldn't be one. I would say it should have a space, and a quick web search seemed to show that most other people feel the same. Cheers! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:10, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

==Picture Upload Requests==

Hi. Would it be possible to upload some of the following three pictures?

:http://www.magdala.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/history_01.jpg
:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/archaeology-today/magdala-2016-excavating-the-hometown-of-mary-magdalene/
:http://cdn.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/magdala-stone-3.jpg?x10423

Thanks.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 12:10, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

I would be happy to, but first I need license information. unless explicitly stated, all content musty be assumed to be under copyright. Is this info available somewhere? If not, can you perhaps find some suitable substitutes which are usable, from places like Wikimedia commons and Flickr? Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:03, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

:I've sent a message to the website requesting usage of these pictures. Hopefully I'll get a response soon.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Perfect, alright let me know what they say (if they do)! Also if they give the ok, it would be great if you could forward the message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us so I can document it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

: Thanks. Good news -- although I haven't received an e-mail from them back yet, some of the images I need turned out to be on Wikimedia Commons which I'm hoping you will be able to upload:
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:Isrele_-_Tiberias_-_Lake_002.jpg
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Magdala_Stone#/media/File:Magdala_Stone_(5).jpg

:Of course, if I receive permission from magdala.org, that will give us access to some very high-quality image on a range of things regarding [[Magdala]], which will be even better.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 19:25, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great, yes I can do those right now. Uploaded as [[:File:Israeli-Tiberias-Lake.jpg]] and [[:File:Magdala Stone.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! If I have any new requests, I'll just post them down here without further comment. For now;

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg [[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 00:41, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:Uploaded as [[:File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg]]. Feel free to ask me here, of course, but I also monitor [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]--you can ask there, as well. I'm not the only one to answer requests there, so you could get a faster response. Either is fine with me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:: Gotcha! Thanks a lot.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

: Good news. I received a response e-mail from bibleplaces.com, a site that contains numerous very good photos on biblical locations. Accordingly, we can freely use up to 10 images from their website up to 400 pixels wide (the standard on bibleplaces.com). I will forward the response e-mail to you so that you can document it.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great! Okay, thanks! Let me know which ones you want uploaded, too, whenever you pick them out (no rush).

== Question ==

Do you think [[Xiang qi|this article]] has an appropriate quality for CP? I ask because the article creator is a liberal RW sysop who has brought his editing and writing style over to CP (though I think it's gotten better). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:I don't see any significant issues. Having two parenthetical remarks in the first sentence isn't ideal, but in regards to style, spelling, grammar, and notability, it looks ok to me. I haven't done research to verify the information, but assuming it is accurate, I think is should be fine. The only other thing I noticed was the use of parentheses inside of parentheses. Technically, brackets then braces should be used, but nowiki tags might be needed to make that work in some cases. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== Opinion ==

Hello. I was considering a move option for the page [[Exodus of Israel]]. I was thinking of moving this article to [[The Exodus]], and using [[Exodus of Israel]] as a redirect to it. As of right now, it's the other way around, and I wanted your opinion on this. I find that [[The Exodus]] is a much simpler name and title for the page, and a title that more people will consider when thinking about this event ('the exodus'). As far as I'm concerned, few people would consider typing in 'Exodus of Israel' to get to the page (although there is a disambiguation to get there from [[Exodus]]). So, I thought that [[The Exodus]] would be a superior title, and thus we should move [[Exodus of Israel]] to [[The Exodus]]. So far, I've already asked the opinion of 1990'sguy. -Unsigned comment by Korvex

:I think that while either might be acceptable, "Exodus of Israel" is better. Firstly, if someone types in "Exodus" they will see the result. Secondly, people familiar with the Bible my be familiar with "the exodus," but those who don't know the Bible may be confused. Exodus simply means to leave, usually in mass. While we know this is referring to the Israelites exiting Egypt, some may not. The current title is more precise, so my opinion is that the page should stay where it is. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:32, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the thoughts. Just one issue I recently noted -- [[Acre]] is a page on the measurement, but it should be turned into a disambiguation page, because there's also a city in Israel called Acre. So, could you take care of that by moving the pages?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 18:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

:Any time! As for Acre, We can do that, but I wounder if that's necessary. Acre, Israel is somewhat of a minority topic. Besides the fact we don't have an article for the city, I suspect that most people search "arce" will be looking for the unit, not the place. Even WP has an article about the unit under the name "acre" (not that I want to use WP as a template for CP). We don't want to frustrate users with too many disambiguation pages, but we also don't want to make it hard to find minority pages, either. We could put a link at the top of "Acre" to "Acre, Israel" I suppose, too. Do you plan to write a page on the city? If not, then as bad as it sounds, we can put this problem off until later. If so, then we should figure out something. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

== Ref help and suggestion ==

I have a code problem with a reference. The URL for ref. 3 (GOP 2016 platform) on [[Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition]] is correct, but it is weird and CP does not recognize it. It only considers part of the URL as the actual URL. Is there anything you can do to fix that, so people who click on the link will actually find the 2016 platform? (BTW, other than this code error, I like the link became it actually links to the actual PDF, rather than a page that links to that PDF).

In addition to the above, I have two suggestions for your bot. I don't know what you will think of them, but I might as well ask. First, can you program the bot to change hyphens to en-dashes whenever it is clear that the mark is intended to be a dash? Many editors use hyphens when they're supposed to be using dashes. Secondly, is there any way for your bot to add the links to the ''Biographical Directory of the United States Congress'' on the articles of current and former members of Congress? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:57, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

:It seems that they didn't stick to naming conventions, so that link text is being misunderstood by the wiki. I put in a workaround, using a web redirect. It's not really what we should do, but I'm not sure what it is we should do. This works, anyway.
:I welcome any any all thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc. about the bot! Unfortunately, the bot is very limited, and not very smart. It can and does detect double hyphens (the proper way to type a dash when only hyphens are available) and replace them with a dash. However, it cannot tell if a single hyphen should be replaced with a dash. Only if a specific word is immediately before or after the dash in need of replacing could it do this. It would detect the "-word" or "word-" then replace it. That's about as good as it gets. For the second suggestion, it could only add identical links to each page. So if there is some master list you would link linked to, it can put that on a hundred pages in a few minutes. However, it cannot put a different link on each page. I'm still hunting for a better bot solution, but for now, the main "engine" is basically just a batch edit bot. If anything within these constraints could be helpful, let me know and I'll gladly run a batch job. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
::I just tried the "cite web" template, but the same ref problem occurred. Oh well. I encourage you to continue to develop your bot! I think a bot that can do more things would be very useful. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:59, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

==Regarding Ransomware==
I've been a bit out of the IT loop, but I can think of a few ideas for defeating it, at least on a Windows OS, in degrees of severity.
:1. Booting from the OS installation DVD and going a few system restores back.
:2. Reinstalling Windows.
:3. The above, plus updating the BIOS.
:4. The above, plus swapping out the CPU and motherboard physically.
:5. The above, plus having all your information backed-up to an external hard drive or flash drive pre-infection.

How deep would I have to go? The NSA leaks on Windows zero-days make me concerned. I'd rather not lose twelve years of data. --[[User:Pious|Pious]] ([[User talk:Pious|talk]]) 23:39, 19 May 2017 (EDT)

:Sorry for the delayed response. You're certainly on the right track, but there are a few important factors to consider while following that line of reasoning. Since most ransomeware encrypts the entire drive, the OS disk does not see any system to run system restore on. Therefore, that is not an option. Actually, in my experience, system restore is almost always useless when dealing with malware, since the "bad guys" know all about it, and want to defeat it. Secondly, the CPU is just a calculator--it cannot be locked or corrupted. The only available attack on a processor which I know of is to force it to run far too many calculations so that it burns out. Regarding your points specifically, therefore:
:# Not going to work, as explained.
:# That should work fine--the attack is usually designed to lock data. If you reinstall the OS, there is not much they can do to stop you, in most cases.
:#Updating the BIOS would only be needed if the BIOS has been corrupted. If it has, it may also have been somewhat protected against updating. However, the BIOS is generally not targeted, since it is different from one computer to another. While one kind can be attacked, scores of others will be safe.
:#Replacing the CPU would be pointless, but replacing the board replaces the CMOS. That will remove the potentially infected BIOS from the equation. If the ransomware comes back, this is a good thing to try.
:#Always a good idea! Back up all of your personal files, and keep the storage device disconnected from the PC at all other times. If you get infected while that drive is attached, it will probably be locked as well.
:Something I like to do is to also take complete drive backup. This will take substantial external storage, but is a safe way to protect your files, settings, and perhaps most importantly, your software licenses. Take a system snapshot, then if the system is compromised, restore the image to the drive. This demolishes all data on the drive, and replaces it with the old information. Ideally, you should be able to just reboot after the restore, and the system will initialize as it always used to. My favorite program for doing that is [https://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm DriveImage XML] (which is free for private use).

:It can go deep--the BIOS can be compromised, so you will be unable to boot to anything but the infected drive. This will prevent you from restoring a complete drive backup, even if you have one. The only way I know to deal with that is to swap out the motherboard, and run a boot disk (I like [[Hiren's BootCD]]). Using DIXML on the boot disk, then restore the XML backup to the infected drive. Make sure to wipe the drive first, just in case--at least a full format would be smart. Then try booting to it, with your external backup drive (any all other storage devices, except the restored hard drive) disconnected. Then you can try playing around, cleaning your BIOS and other storage devices, if you have any.

:For now, just keep make sure to get all Windows updates, make regular backups (and if you take complete drive backups, keep a few older versions as well as the newest), never visit links you don't trust (especially in e-mails), and maybe get some good [[Anti-virus software]] and perhaps anti-malware software, like [[Spybot Search & Destroy]].
:A more radical option you could use is to switch to a [[Linux]] system. [[Linux Mint]] might be a good one, since the interface is designed similar to that of Windows. It would take some getting used to, and you will need to find and learn some new software to replace the Windows software you may use now, but that will shelter you from those zero-day vulnerabilities. Linux can have vulnerabilities too, but very few attackers pay any attention to them, since so few people use each version of Linux.

:I hope this helps some--anything I didn't cover well? I know it's a lot to take in and especially a lot to do. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:33, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

==Congressman John Fleming==

I would like to upload an updated official photo. Can you assist? [[User:Dustygram|Dustygram]] ([[User talk:Dustygram|talk]]) 22:15, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, if you can you go ahead and find one, in the Public Domain or under a [[Creative Commons]] license, that would be great. Here are some good sources:
:*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page '''WikiMedia Commons''']
:*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 '''Flickr''']
:*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile]
:*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures]
:The first two are my favorites. If you can find a good one, just get me the link and I'll upload it. If this is all confusing, or you have any questions, please just say so! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== Editor ==

Is there any chance you could review the edits of [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/MattF this editor]? They are not vandalism, but they cite few sources and I don't think many of them have the most encyclopedic language. I changed some of his edits, and I posted on his talk page with some of the diffs. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:52, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:Agreed, he is adding some great information, but citations are needed. I've messaged him as well. It could be that he just isn't familiar with the process. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 22 May 2017 (EDT)

== Protection ==

The page title should be protected after being deleted, and protected so only administrators can create. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:22, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:Not a bad idea, but I cannot set that level of protection. I don't even know if autoconfirmed level restriction will slow this fool down, but it's all I can do. Perhaps ask an a full admin? The thing is, he'll just use a slightly different name, and keep going. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:25, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::That's a good point, although I don't think that level of protection does much of anything since only registered users can edit anyway. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:::That is probably the case. However, some users registered here are not autoconfirmed, but do have accounts. I'm not sure how/why that happens. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Coat of Arms" of Turkey ==

Hi. [[Turkey]] doesn't have a "coat of arms", but [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TurkishEmblem.svg "'''national emblem'''" on the flag (star and crescent)] is being used on passports, ID cards, driving licences, embassy signs, seal of the presidential office, seal of the National Assembly and the seal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I ask you to upload this file and put it on the article (instead of the so-called "coat of arms"). Thanks. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 12:14, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:The image currently used there does seem to be legitimate. I'd be happy to upload it, but it doesn't really seem to be their coat of arms as much as it is just their national symbol. Since it is so similar to the flag (which has the same emblem) are you sure it would be beneficial to show that instead of the current image, which is in the "Coat of arms" section? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:52, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::Yes, it will definitely be true. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 02:50, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, so I've done a little digging. While you are right, of course, that this emblem is regularly used, it is not their of arms. The coat of arms is different (here are some [[:Category:National_Coats_of_Arms|other examples]]). I'm fine with uploading this emblem, but it doesn't belong in that slot. The template doesn't actually seem to have a slot for it, but we could include it as an independent image, if you like. It clearly represents them, but just not as a coat of arms. Any thoughts on how it might be best displayed? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:46, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

== D.T. achievements article question ==

The article I'm working on, [[Donald Trump achievements]], is already 200,000 bytes, and we're not even halfway through 2017. I was thinking of making separate subpages for each year, but should I instead do half-years? Or, how big can I make pages until the become a problem for readers (long loading time, etc.)? I would appreciate your opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
:Unrelated, would you please correct the title of [[:File:John Flemming.jpg]] (it's one "M", not two). As well as add cats? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:40, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
::You could divide it by years or by topic areas -- foreign affairs, defense and national security, and domestic policy. Load time depends on the number of images and templates. If you look at the longest articles in CP, they are:
*[[Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2013-2016]] ‎[1,254,945 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[1,053,795 bytes]
*[[‎Literalist Bible chronology]] ‎[545,440 bytes]
*[[‎Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2012]] ‎[521,228 bytes]
*[[‎Revelation, Book of (historical exegesis)]] ‎[494,607 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) shorter form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[452,782 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 22-28]] ‎[390,968 bytes]
*[[‎Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 29-35]] ‎[364,572 bytes]
*[[‎Community Portal/Archive 1]] ‎[346,243 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 15-21]] ‎[340,061 bytes]
The longest page on English Wikipedia is ‎List of Australian treaties ‎[1,335,307 bytes]. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 08:55, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

::That's a good question, but I really don't know the answer. I have a feeling that splitting it up a bit might be a good idea, but I dont know what our policy on page size is. 200kb is a lot to load on anything other than a high-speed connection. With the images, as you mentioned, it might be a bit much even for high-speed service. It might be smart to split it up or ask Andy. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])
:::OK. Would you please move the image as I requested to fix the spelling mistake? To reply to JDano, I considered dividing the article by topic area, but I don't want to do that because 1), that would be a lot of articles to maintain, and 2), some achievements could fall in multiple categories. For example, Trump's upcoming decision on the Paris Climate Agreement (which I hope he chooses to leave) could fall in the "environment," "foreign policy," and "government size/regulation" sections. Considering the other long articles, I might as well try to continue with my plan to make subpages by year rather than half-year, but if that's a bad descision, please tell me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:20, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

:: I was waiting until I could use a PC to move the file, but I've just done it. You should be able to categorize miles once they're uploaded, if you want. I don't know much about him I couldn't use precise categories. However, I have added some basic ones which will probably be sufficient. Probably keeping the page as it is is okay. It's a lot to download, but like you said, splitting it up would be complicated. Let me know if there's anything else I can do!--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:47, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

One unrelated thing: I have been removing unnecessary links added by TAR, but I want to be cautious in removing links and there are a few articles where I would like someone else to decide which links/cats to remove. The articles I'm thinking about are [[Oath Keepers]], [[Vow]], and [[American Patriots]]. It might also a good idea to check the categories of [[Conservative values]]. Would you please do these things? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

:I will take a look when possible, but am very busy right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:52, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

::They looked pretty good. I cleaned up a few things, mostly categories. It's just a judgement call for some things, and there isn't always any guideline. I tend to not remove enough sometimes. However, they look pretty good to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

== Bye ==

It's been great knowing you. Are you from Chicago? I've never done well with people from Chicago before; they commit a lot of crime in my part of the state. If you are, it's good to meet a nicer, better-mouthed person from Chicago. Still, you're a great technician and I hope you can use that to bring this site to glory.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:It's been great knowing you as well. I've been out of touch the last for weeks--are you leaving?
:I am not from Chicago, actually. In any case, thanks--I hope I can help out a lot here! You have made some great progress here also. Thanks for your efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:55, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
::He appears to have been some type of parodist.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1350635&oldid=1350476] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:12, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Interesting. I was originally suspicious (due to the user name), but he seemed to be on the level. This goes to show what happens when I don't pay attention for two weeks. Thanks for the link! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:32, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:I was more than suspicious and said so months ago (somewhere - I can't find it now.) I had various tos and fros with him and asked for help re The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991. a number of times. You and your mates were more interested in nailing Liberals than housekeeping. Only Progressingamerica answered.
So... tomorrow... or whenever....when I finally manage to get myself together after a major injury to my wife, I will get into this with a degree of gusto. I will say only one thing now...that Abcque was allowed to do what he did for so long by the sheer ignorance or lack of will of so called senior editors of CP. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 02:57, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
::Clearly I missed that. Thanks for trying anyway....
::I'm sorry to hear about your wife! I hope she is doing alright. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:35, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Susan's injury is not life threatening - just extremely painful and very disabling. She slipped and fell against a wooden edge in the vegetable garden and smashed her forearm. Not broke, smashed. Her radius (the bone that goes to the thumb side of the hand) broke into 11 pieces. Her ulna, the other bone in the forearm, is broken but only once. The injury is to her left arm and she is left handed.
:Thank you for your kind words.
:::BTW... "The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991" is almost right. The only edition I can find though is 1993. But I'm damned (or "d****ed" as he would put it) if I am going to spend $60 or more getting it here from the States to check any "discrepancies". (I am one of those terrible liberals who paid taxes for nearly fifty years and is now getting some of them back - only some mind you - as a pension.)
: I need someone to get rid of the title [[Joseph Belloc]] so a new aticle can be written. I can pass a critical eye over the more well known or international American writers. I have them on my shelves. The fun will be with Auden; an old friend but a complicated one to put into two or three hundred words.
::Anyway...teatime and guess who is preparing it. :) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 03:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== Cleaning up after the blocked users ==

I've checked the author articles he's created, and it does not appear that he made up the "''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''" reference that he used most. It appears that his edits (besides the clear garbage, such as that test vandalism and the jokes) were legitimate. If you would check further, I would appreciate that.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would check my requests I posted two sections above regarding TAR cleanup. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:24, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:Thanks for checking! TAR did definitely add some good content, along with the junk. I will be happy to take a look as time permits, but I don't have much of it right now. One other issue with his contributions is some things were plagiarized, often from [http://www.amateur-radio-wiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page this website]. You could also check for that, if you want and have not already. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:00, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::Also, F.Y.I., TAR was not dishonorably banned. Rather, he decided to leave, and asked that his account be blocked. At the time, several editors were pushing for the admins to take action against him, but I don't think that push was going anywhere. His existing ban is in place at his request, to lock his account. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I already knew that. That's why I used "blocked users" rather than "vandals/parodists" or something like that. However, you're right, my wording was still bad and understandably gave you the impression that you got. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:06, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point. I was tired when I was writing that. You were here then, and part of the push. Sorry about that.--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::That's OK. However, actually, I joined several months after TAR left. I learned about it through reading about it, rather than actually experiencing it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::::I came in late in the game too. I started ignorantly cleaning up some of it, having no clue. SamHB then told me about him, but said he guessed TAR had left. A little while later, TAR reappeared, reverted many of my changes, and referred to me in a derogatory light. Then he left again, and cleanup resumed. It's been a strange situation. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Well, I'm glad he's gone. He appears to have caused a lot of damage. The spam he created still exists on many articles like the ones I asked you about. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:25, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

We've all got better things to think about than the history of the TAR episode, but he blocked himself on Apr 1, 2016 [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= here], but didn't have his rights (that he could have used to unblock himself) revoked until Apr 5. If you are curious, there was extensive discussion among the many people who had been wronged by TARs destructive behavior [[User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive60#Re:_Cleanup_work_post_TheAmericanRedoubt|here]], including a request by me, on Apr 2, that his rights be revoked so that we could all put a stop to this. Once the rights were revoked, we could all breathe a sigh of relief, and look forward to telling you newcomers about this epic battle. :-) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:In some ways, I think TAR was a lot of fun. For example, I liked his: staunch gun rights stance; his free vs. unfree states (the gulag of Massachusetts is an unfree state) and his ardent view that the current economic/fiscal policies of the United States are unsustainable and will lead to collapse.

:Many people merely complain about matters related to these topics, but TAR was a man of action who took action relating to these matters.

:I realize he had his faults as an editor, but I still appreciate his good points. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below ==

I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below.

If you could implement this project, that would be excellent.

=== Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable? ===

{{welcome}}

Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable?

The blue links on a dark red background is hard to read.

Also, some people have started to edit Conservapedia and then quickly gave up because they didn't know how to edit a wiki. I noted about 3 people who did this. There are probably many more who quit but didn't say anything. I added a link entitled "How to edit a wiki". But I believe there are various versions of the welcome template so my link is not on all welcome template versions. For example, the welcome template that JPatt uses didn't incorporate my "How to edit a wiki" link.

Does the newest version of the Wikimedia software allow for WYSIWYG editing? In other words "What you see is what you get".

The newest version of the Wikimedia software does not have the counter at the bottom of the pages. I understand why Andy Schlafly likes the counters at the bottom. I like the counters too. I guess there might be an extension to add the counters to the newest version of Wikimedia. But after all is said and done, having WYSIWYG editing could greatly increase the participation rate at this wiki and lower the rate of people falling out because they don't know how to edit a wiki. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:The "Visual editor" on Wikipedia is very buggy, particular with footnotes. I suspect that most editors come here after learning how to edit Wikipedia and being chased away by their intolerant, toxic culture. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 07:08, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
==== Here is the welcome to Wikipedia and it is much better and legible ====

[[File:Plate of cookies.jpg|thumb|300px|Some cookies to welcome you! [[File:Face-smile.svg|25px]]]] [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|Welcome to Wikipedia]], Conservative! I am [[User:This lousy T-shirt|This lousy T-shirt]] and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Knox490|your contributions]]. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], or feel free to leave me a message on [[User talk:This lousy T-shirt|my talk page]] or type ''{{tl|helpme}}'' at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
* [[Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction]]
* [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
* [[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
* [[Help:Contents|Help pages]]
* [[Wikipedia:Article development|How to write a great article]]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ten_Simple_Rules_for_Editing_Wikipedia Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia].
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Also, when you post on [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] you should [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. Again, welcome!

I think Conservapedia needs a better greeting. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:02, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

:I agree--I've had my eye on that welcome message for almost a year now, but never really put my mind to redoing it altogether. As time allows, I'll see what I can put together. Do you think it should still incorporate the "useful links" template, or have its own seprate links which we could format and explain better? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:10, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Can you have something like Wikipedia's welcome? There's is much better.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:01, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I'll see what I can do. It might take some time--I have almost no free time right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:51, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::What should I name the new one? We already have "welcome" and "welcome2" templates. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:21, 21 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::You could do "welcome3" or "welcomeCP". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:39, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::I just saw the "Greeting" template you created. Is there a chance you could give it a patriotic coloring scheme, kind of like the one we usually use? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:43, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

:::::::I wasn't sure I wanted to go up to "welcome3" but "welcomeCP" could certainly work. Anyway, changing the coloring is a good idea. I'll do a little experimentation, and see what works. Red and blue are complimentary colors, but somehow the combo often seems a little harsh somehow. Maybe I can find a good shade combo though. Thanks for the suggestion! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:05, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
EdPoor just changed the background color of the welcome template. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:16, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

== Updated my post to Aschlafly's talk page. Here is the updated version ==

Have the word "Welcome!" under/above a pic of a welcome fruit basket. Please see Google images to get an idea of welcome fruit baskets: [https://www.google.com/search?q=welcome+basket&rlz=1C1PRFG_enUS744US744&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHyI_c0trUAhUH0oMKHeMQDy4Q_AUICygC&biw=819&bih=510#tbm=isch&q=welcome+fruit+basket Google images - Welcome fruit baskets]. Here are some FREE IMAGES of welcome fruit baskets at: https://pixabay.com/en/photos/?hp=&image_type=&cat=&min_width=&min_height=&q=fruit+basket&order=

Or for $1.00 you can get a stock photo of a welcome fruit basket at: https://www.shutterstock.com/search/similar/350093981

I hope this helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:27, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

== Email ==

I sent you an email about a question I have. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 03:34, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
:I sent you another one. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:21, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
::Replied --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:34, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

== Image question ==

I was also looking to add an image to [[Rare (company)]], hopefully of the company logo, but I was just wondering if that was allowed under "Fair use" or not? I am not an expert in copyright law, and I know that this site takes that very seriously. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:17, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

:Hi,
:That's not a bad idea, but we won't generally use trademarks without permission. While WP regularly does so, or simply declares them public domain, we try to better respect the owners' rights. If you want to use their logo, I would suggest asking them if that is alright. If we can get written permission, then I or any other SysOp would be happy to upload it. However, without permission from them, we probably should not use it. You could as Andy for a second opinion, of course, but especailly with his background in law, he probably will be inclined to stay on the safe side. If you can find some image related to them, but not owned by them, that may also be usable. For example, a photograph of Rare's CEO which has been released under Creative Commons or Public Domain guidelines could be used. It's up to you, but we probably shouldn't use their logo without asking. Thanks for checking, and your work on this article! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:40, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::Since Rare is owned by Microsoft, it seems that [http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Legal/XboxComTOU these terms] (see "COPYRIGHT AND TRADEMARK NOTICES") apply. While not clearly applicable to Rare, this seems likely, since Rare links to those terms.
::Since Microsoft owns it, a request to use materials would probably ulttimately go through them. Send it to Rare at first, but probably it will end up at Microsoft. In my experience (and that of others), it has been very hard to get a response from them. You can still try, though--Rare might respond instead, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:47, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
:::I'm going to email Rare/Microsoft tomorrow morning, although I don't suspect any sort of response. I will try to find an alternative because I've noticed articles are a lot more pleasant for readers to view when there are a few relevant pictures. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:12, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

::::Okay, that sounds like a good plan. It is nice to have some kind of related image. I wish it was easier, but thanks for trying! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:03, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

== Gender ideology ==
Hi, you reverted my last contribution in [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Gender_ideology&diff=prev&oldid=1363294 here] that I spent quite some time on, without giving any good reason. May you pls. explain? Thanx --[[User:AK|AK]] ([[User talk:AK|talk]]) 02:39, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:BTW, I restored the page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:06, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::Wow!! I'm terribly sorry, that was a mistake. I must have hit it while I was reverting a portion of the last vandalism wave. Thank you for noticing, and thank you 1990'sguy for restoring it! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:48, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

== Move requests ==

I have two categories that I am requesting for you to move: [[:Category:Globalist]] to [[:Category:Globalists]], and [[:Category:Nationalist]] to [[:Category:Nationalists]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:56, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
:Good suggestions--done. I can move the pages using my bot later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:39, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

Hello David, would you please move these two categories: [[:Category:Media personalities]] to [[:Category:Media Personalities]], and [[:Category:High schools]] to [[:Category:High Schools]]? Also, would you please use your bot to move every article with those categories to the new category name? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:02, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

:Done. The images in [[:Category:Media personalities]] were protected so they could not be moved. All the rest are taken care of. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:59, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

==Thanks==
Thank you for your assistance. Although the parenthetical helps a bit, two separate bullets would be cleaner in making clear what "President Trump expressed". Please look at: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Donald_Trump_achievements:_Criminal_justice,_law_enforcement,_and_other_DOJ_matters&diff=1368054&oldid=1368043 this proposal.] Many thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:23, 18 August 2017 (EDT)
:I commented on it and I oppose any bullet points on the article solely regarding the 2016 campaign, for the record. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:25, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

== IP blocks ==

Out of curiosity, how do you know all of those IPs are proxies? If it's a server farm, I try and block the whole range, but some of those aren't blocked on Wikipedia, so I'm curious as to how you identified them as proxies. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 16:34, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

:It varies--Some are from backtraces done on vandals who I've dealt with before, others are actually scraped directly from the hosts, while yet others are gathered directly through the usage of such services. I know that these are proxies, because most of these have come directly from the providers. The remaining ones I'm using have been gathered mostly from IP traces.
:If we wanted to use them, there are even openly published lists of addresses, which could probably be blocked outright. I haven't been using those yet, but it is an option. I hope this clarifies. Also, thanks for the advice--as you probably saw, I did check with Andy on this first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:47, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:Also, ranges can definitely be most powerful and effective, but in this case all I have are specific addresses. These are specifically found addresses, and nothing more. They may leave a lot of holes, but I'd rather have these blocked than nothing at all.

== Copied article ==

A lot of the article [[Steppenwolf]] appears to be copied from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steppenwolf_(band)&oldid=796579357 the Wikipedia version]. Should it be deleted? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:33, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it is not just on Wikipedia, but on a number of other sites (plagiarized by them too?) as I mentioned on the [[Talk:Steppenwolf|talk page]] awhile back. I think it probably should be deleted, since it clearly is from Wikipedia, and Wikipedia version have been worked on by many different users, so it is obviously not the work of one person. I had lost track of this issue, so thanks for the reminder! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:44, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

== Delete article? ==

Should we delete this article: [[Julia Gasper]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:16, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:It needs work, but it doesn't seem to be plagiarized. I was included to leave it and see what GraceDalrymple does with it. Do you think it should be? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:21, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::I just attempted to do a little touch-up. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:35, 14 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your input ==

Is this a bad edit: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chivalry&curid=1989&diff=1374996&oldid=1262366]? While our culture is becoming very "gender-neutral," I'm not sure that it changes the definition of chivalry to be between anyone. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 18 September 2017 (EDT)
:I've been pondering the same question. [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chivalry merriam-webster] doesn't really specify, although some other sites like [http://www.wordnik.com/words/chivalry wordnik] do. Since it is an idea from the medieval times, and related to proper behavior for knights, it was inherently relevant to men. I don't know if it is gender exclusive, or just by convention never really applied to women. I'm tempted to revert it just because the history of the word suggests it still should only apply to men.
:I was pretty sure I've seen this exact edit before, too, but I don't see it in the page history. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:43, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

What do you think about this article? [[Peregrin Chronicles]]? I don't have time right now to review it in-depth myself. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

:I don't think I can be much help with this one either. I've never heard of the series before. It exists, but that's about all I've been able to verify so far. It looks like their [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676468266/the-aliens-have-landed-the-peregrin-chronicles-com kickstarter] didn't get much support, either. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's another one: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_evangelism&curid=105140&diff=1375410&oldid=1271896] I'm inclined to let this edit stay, but I'm still not a fan of people removing information. Also, sorry for throwing all these at you. I'll try to tackle some of these myself after this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:03, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

:That one looks fine to me--they are adding verifiable details. No need to apologize--I'm happy to help. A second set of eyes and opinion never hurts. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:13, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
:The accusation from [http://www.billionbibles.org/global-media-outreach.html billionbibles.org] that they are too focused on the human decision to "pray the prayer" does seem to be somewhat valid. However, I don't think that is the best place for it. In any case, God has used Campus Crusade, so although they may be a little shallow, I don't think we need to include this information in such a short blurb on them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:18, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
::Thanks for the detail on that, DavidB4. I hope the page on Global Media Outreach, which I edited earlier this year, adds enough objective detail to explain. We can discuss the "human decision to 'pray the prayer'" if you like, but ultimately the gospel presentation is the tip of the iceberg, and we have thousands of Online Missionaries trained to follow up with them and verify their expressed reaction to the Good News. [http://esv.to/John1.12 John 1:12] and [http://esv.to/Rom10.9-12 Romans 10:9-13] are there to explain that there is a required move on a human being's part, and asking God for salvation seems like a perfectly straightforward way to do it, as long as the person doesn't see prayer as a recitation obligating God to give them eternal life, if that makes sense. For balance, it doesn't seem as if it can simply be a realization of a truth, or even that along with an emotional experience. As Campus Crusade's 4 Laws (which we use a version of) states, "It is not enough just to know these three laws, we must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know and experience God's love and plan for our lives ...Receiving Christ involves turning to God from self (repentance) and trusting Christ to come into our lives to forgive our sins and to make us what He wants us to be. Just to agree intellectually that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for our sins is not enough. Nor is it enough to have an emotional expereince. We receive Jesus Christ by faith, as an act of the will." Prayer can be an expression of that trust and will, although it isn't always formal, as is shown in Acts 10:44. --[[User:Abranch|Abranch]] ([[User Abranch|TALK]]) Wed Sep 20 2017 17:10:49 GMT-0500 (CDT)

Internet evangelism

2017-09-20T18:58:09Z

Abranch: Removed baseless allegation against our ministry. Please see the main Global Media Outreach Conservapedia page, or the globalmediaoutreach.com site for verificaction of our alignment with historic Christianity.

Since its inception, [[Christianity]] has seen a consistent and [http://users.adam.com.au/bstett/BChristianIncrease12.htm dramatic increase in its number of adherents].<ref>http://users.adam.com.au/bstett/BChristianIncrease12.htm</ref><ref>http://pewforum.org/Christian/Faith-and-Conflict-The-Global-Rise-of-Christianity.aspx</ref> In the 1940s the Lausanne Movement was started in order to help Christendom evangelize globally with greater effectiveness and thousands of Christian leaders from around the globe meet regularly to increase the effectiveness of [[evangelism|Christian evangelism]].<ref>http://www.lausanne.org/about.html</ref>

[[CRU]] is one of the world's largest evangelism organizations within Christendom and has over 25,000 full-time missionaries. In 2006, Alan Beeber of CRU predicted that internet evangelism will result in more conversion that all other forms of evangelism for CRU combined.<ref>http://www.lausanneworldpulse.com/pdf/issues/LWP0206.pdf</ref>

== Global Media Outreach ==

[[Global Media Outreach]] is an Internet-based ministry began in 2004 by Campus Crusade for Christ ([[CRU]]).

Since 2004, Global Media Outreach has registered over 1.6 billion Gospel Visits, defined as visitor views of a website containing the gospel message, like http://faith.godlife.com, http://caniknowGod.com or http://whoisJesus-really.com.

== Network211 ==
[[File:Network 211.png|thumbnail|200px|left|[[Network211]] has reached people in over 200 countries and territories. As of June 22, 2015, their online ministry has reached over 16,727,000 people.<ref>[http://www.network211.com/results.html Network211 - our results]</ref>]]
[[Network211]] is a world missionary outreach focused on global evangelism and discipleship via the Internet.<ref>[http://www.network211.com/aboutus.html Network211 - About us]</ref>

Network211 currently has a project called Project 100Million.

Project 100Million is an evangelism and discipleship ministry of Network211. Their goal is to reach 100,000,000 people worldwide with the Gospel online.

Project 100Million is multilingual, ministering in English, Farsi, Vietnamese, Indonesian, Mandarin, Spanish, Filipino, American Sign Language and Easy English. Other languages are under development. Network211 has reached people in over 200 countries and territories.

As of June 22, 2015, their online ministry has reached over 16,727,000 people.<ref>[http://www.network211.com/results.html Network211 - our results]</ref>

== Internet creationism ==

''See also:'' [[Internet creationism]]

On February 24, 2015, the ''Science Nordic'' website declared:
{{Cquote|Creationism, the belief that a god -- not evolution -- shaped life on Earth, is ... spreading in the very stronghold of evolution, Europe. That’s the conclusion of five years of research that’s been put into new book on creationism. The book details how creationism is on the march throughout most of Europe.

"Creationism is most dominant in Eastern Europe and Turkey, but even some schools in the Netherlands are teaching creationism," says one of the book’s authors Hans Henrik Hjermitslev, University College South Denmark. "Politicians in some German federal states are advocating that schools use creationist books alongside those about evolutionary theory in their lessons. This kind of struggle is going on on a small scale in many places."...

"Over the last ten years we’ve seen the emergence of big-city creationism. London is a good example," says Kjærgaar.

Here, noticeably more young people have been signed up to various local and religious groups.

"And this doesn't just apply to young Muslims as many people might think. Christian groups are also recruiting young people...

Creationism has particularly been on the rise in step with the internet, which according to Peter Kjærgaard has made it much easier for people to become activists...<ref>[http://sciencenordic.com/scientists-warn-creationism-rise-europe Scientists warn: creationism is on the rise in Europe], ''Science Nordic''</ref>}}

== YouTube Christian evangelism ==
[[YouTube]] is a popular online video sharing site that provides a method distributing Christian/creationist videos across the world. The YouTube search engine is the second largest search engine in the world.<ref>http://www.tgdaily.com/trendwatch-features/39777-youtube-surpasses-yahoo-as-world%E2%80%99s-2-search-engine</ref>

Recently, Christians and Christian creationists have faced problems with [[atheist bullying|atheist cyberbullies]], but they [[Essay: Sharing your Christian/creationist videos on the internet|have developed methods to overcome this problem]].

== See also ==
*[[Essay: Sharing your Christian/creationist videos on the internet]]
*[[Resources on becoming a Christian]]
*[[Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian]]
*[[Creation vs. Evolution Videos]]
*[[Christianity]]
*[[Internet atheism]]

== External links ==

'''Internet evangelism news and general information:'''

*[http://www.christiantoday.com/article/digital.revolution.creating.new.evangelism.opportunities/29664.htm Digital revolution creating new evangelism opportunities], ''Christianity Today''

*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVnZAzG53Ok Internet evangelism] - [[YouTube]] video

'''Analysis of internet evangelism:'''

*[http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-reveals-internet-evangelism-is-effective-64584/ Study Reveals Internet Evangelism Is Effective] - Christian Post, 2011

*[http://notashamedofthegospel.com/online-evangelism-101/top-5-reasons-why-internet-evangelism-is-the-next-big-thing/ Top 5 Reasons Why Internet Evangelism is the Next Big Thing]

'''Internet evangelism methods:'''

Social media:

*[http://www.christiantoday.com/article/christian.ministries.using.social.media.to.connect.to.millions.all.over.the.world/83726.htm Christian ministries using social media to connect to millions all over the world], ''Christianity Today''

*[http://notashamedofthegospel.com/social-media/the-ultimate-christian-guide-to-twitter/ The Ultimate Christian Guide to Twitter]

Podcasting:

*[http://blogs.christianpost.com/show-times/internet-evangelism-idea-podcasting-the-gospel-21567/ Internet Evangelism Idea: Podcasting the Gospel]

'''Internet evangelism day:'''

*[http://www.christianpost.com/news/evangelical-website-promotes-internet-evangelism-day-74022/ Evangelical Website Promotes 'Internet Evangelism Day'], ''Christian Post''

*[http://www.internetevangelismday.com/ Internet evangelism Day]

*[http://creationwiki.org/Anticreationist_youtube_debate_tactics Sharing your creationist videos on YouTube and the internet]

==References==
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[[Category:Christianity]]

Global Media Outreach

2016-12-07T22:46:19Z

Abranch: Correcting some misconceptions about my organization. It appears BillionBibles.com was under some false impressions about us.

[[File:Global Media Outreach.jpg|thumbnail|200px|right|Global Media Outreach is a partner ministry of [[CRU]].]]
'''Global Media Outreach''' is an internet evangelism ministry, a partner ministry of [[CRU]].

Global Media Outreach (GMO) presents a biblical gospel message in many languages worldwide. When visitors respond with contact information, trained volunteers follow up with them for verification they understand and have committed themselves to Christ according to His teachings. Partnering with organizations like '''YouVersion'''<ref>[http://godlife.com/bible/download?language=en]YouVersion</ref>, Global Media Outreach ensures contacts has access to digital Bibles which are readable in multiple languages.

Referencing the '''Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization'''<ref>[http://www.lausanne.org/content/lop/lop-3#4]Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization]</ref>, "To evangelize is to spread the good news that Jesus Christ died for our sins and was raised from the dead according to the Scriptures, and that as the reigning Lord he now offers the forgiveness of sins and the liberating gift of the Spirit to all who repent and believe. Our Christian presence in the world is indispensable to evangelism, and so is that kind of dialogue whose purpose is to listen sensitively in order to understand. But evangelism itself is the proclamation of the historical, biblical Christ as Savior and Lord, with a view to persuading people to come to him personally and so be reconciled to God. In issuing the Gospel invitation we have no liberty to conceal the cost of discipleship. Jesus still calls all who would follow him to deny themselves, take up their cross, and identify themselves with his new community. The results of evangelism include obedience to Christ, incorporation into his church and responsible service in the world.”- Lausanne Movement, 1975 ('''John Stott'''<ref>[http://www.johnstottmemorial.org/]John Stott</ref>, chairman of drafting committee)

'''Here are a few of GMO's many presentations of the plan of salvation:'''
<div style="margin-left:20px; background-color:#FFEEC8">
'''God Loves You!'''

The Bible says, "God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life"

''The problem is that...''

All of us have done, said or thought things that are wrong. This is called sin, and our sins have separated us from God.

The Bible says "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." God is perfect and holy, and our sins separate us from God forever. The Bible says "The wages of sin is death."

''The good news is that'', about 2,000 years ago,

God sent His only Son Jesus Christ to die for our sins.

Jesus is the Son of God. He lived a sinless life and then died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins. "God demonstrates His own love for us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us."

Jesus rose from the dead and now He lives in heaven with God His Father. He offers us the gift of eternal life -- of living forever with Him in heaven if we accept Him as our Lord and Savior.

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except by Me."

God reaches out in love to you and wants you to be His child. "As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe on His name." You can choose to ask Jesus Christ to forgive your sins and come in to your life as your Lord and Savior.

''If you want to accept Christ as your Savior and turn from your sins,'' you can ask Him to be your Savior and Lord by praying a prayer like this:

"Lord Jesus, I believe you are the Son of God. Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins. Please forgive my sins and give me the gift of eternal life. I ask you in to my life and heart to be my Lord and Savior. I want to serve you always."

From [http://godlife.com/gospel GodLife.com/gospel]
</div>
 
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Once there was a young man who had committed a murder. He had killed an elderly couple to get some money so he could buy drugs. He one day was caught and put in prison. He lost his family, friends; no one in the society wanted to talk to him or be his friend. He was so lonely and never thought he would be normal again. In the prison he was given a book and the book said that God loved him. He started reading this book and soon found that there was someone who loved him, someone who was willing to forgive him, someone who was willing to love him.

We all at some time in our life have done things that are not right. We all have felt guilty and terrible about these things. But, is there a respite? What is wrong with me? Will anyone accept me despite my wrong doings? Yes! There is some who loves you, and forgives you because He created You and loves you more than anyone.

There is a Creator and He created heaven, earth, and all the things in the world. He is the only God and He loves Man.
God created angels, but “Satan” and the angels who followed him did not listen to God and so God expelled them from heaven. God put man and woman in a perfect place to live. They listened to God and had a good connection with God who was with them.

One day the man and the woman listened to Satan instead of God...
and their good connection with God was broken, and they were separated from God. This separation results in the curse of death. God still loved Man and gave them the law so that man would know good from evil. The Law shows what separates Man from God. The Law was not enough to save Man from sin. God sacrificed Jesus for all the sins of Man. Jesus was fully man and fully God. Jesus healed people and gave them forgiveness. He lived a sinless life.

Jesus was the perfect sacrifice...
He died by crucifixion; He was innocent but judged as a criminal. After Jesus died He was buried in a tomb, but on the 3rd day He rose to life breaking the curse of death.

God said He would forgive...
every person who accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior and turns away from their sinful life.

Are you ready to turn away from your sinful life and listen to God? You can ask Jesus to become your Savior and Lord of your life by praying a prayer like this:
Lord Jesus, I believe you are the Son of God. Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins. Please forgive my sins and give me the gift of eternal life. I ask you in to my life and heart to be my Lord and Savior. I want to serve you always.

From [http://godlife.com/kindness GodLife.com/kindness]
</div>
 
<div style="margin-left:20px; background-color:#FFC8C8">
'''Begin Today on Your New Journey'''

''First'', understand that we are separated from God. The chasm separating us from God is both wide and deep. It's the result of our inheriting a fatal defect at birth. Because of this we have lived our lives independently from him. The Bible emphasizes this stark reality: "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Which is exactly why we need a savior!

''Second'', understand who Jesus is, and what he has done for us. Jesus bridged the wide gulf that separates us from God. He came to earth as the Son of God. He was born to a virgin. He led a sinless life, died and was buried. He rose again and later went up into heaven where he became both Lord and Christ.

Jesus, and he alone, is qualified to be the remedy for our sins. What he did totally satisfied God's requirements. In the apostle John's words: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John: 3:16).

'''Repent and Believe'''

''Finally'', repent and believe! We begin our new, personal relationship with God when we repent and believe.

To repent is to say to the Father, "God, help me. I want to turn toward you and away from the life I've lived on my own. I am sorry for who I've been and what I have done and I want to permanently change. I receive your gift of forgiveness for my sins."

To believe is to affirm for ourselves the reality that Jesus is the Son of God, the One who died for our sins, and to receive him as our Savior and Lord. This is emphatically promised in John's gospel: "To all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God" (John 1:12).

'''Begin Now'''

Would you like to receive Jesus Christ as your savior? If you would, you can pray a prayer to God like this:

"Jesus, I need you. I repent for the life I've lived apart from you. Thank you for dying on the cross to take the penalty for my sins. I believe you are God's Son and I now receive you as my Lord and Savior. I commit my life to follow you."

From: [http://caniknowgod.com/en?v=14811488198923574#believingingod Can I Know God]
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God is all-powerful and holy. He tells us in the Bible that He loves each of us. All people are made in His likeness. Everyone is important to God. Despite this, we all rebel against Him and are shamed by our sin. We have failed to give glory to God for His love for us. We are helpless to restore our honor. Our shame separates us from God forever. But God’s great love for us provides a way for you and your family to regain honor. Becoming His child places you in the exalted position of being in God’s family.

How can your shame be removed? God came in the form of a man, Jesus, to take our shame away and restore our honor. Jesus lived a pure and honorable life, but was crucified on the cross by evil people. Our Lord loved everyone and died taking all the world’s sin and shame with him on the cross. When He He rose from the dead, He went to heaven in glory, where He hears our prayers.

To enter God’s family, you must accept Jesus as Lord and give allegiance to Him. Receiving Him gives you the right to be an honored child of God.

The Bible tells us, “God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Jesus died for us.” In His death Jesus took the shame we brought on ourselves. Jesus rose to life and became our mediator with God.

You and your family can each pray to ask Jesus to be your Lord and savior and give you the honor of being in God’s family. Then read the Holy Bible to learn more about Jesus.

"Lord Jesus, I believe you died on the cross to cover my shame. Please forgive my sins and bring me into God’s family forever so that my family and I may give you allegiance and honor as our Lord and Savior. We want to serve you always."

From the "[https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/next-steps/id663385300?mt=8 Next Steps App]"
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== See also ==

*[[Internet evangelism]]

== External links ==

*[http://www.globalmediaoutreach.com/ Global Media Outreach]
*[https://www.facebook.com/GlobalMediaOutreach/?fref=ts Global Media Outreach - Facebook]

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