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Thanks for adding your edits, hopefully you'll become a regular contributor. If I can help you out with anything let me know. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 19:45, 27 July 2016 (EDT)

:Thank you! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:49, 27 July 2016 (EDT)

Account promoted to skip the Captcha requirement. Thanks for your enlightening edits to [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia]].

Congratulations!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 19:37, 28 July 2016 (EDT)

:Thank you! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:45, 28 July 2016 (EDT)
::Congratulations and welcome. You should be aware that people who edit at both CP and WP with the same user name are sometimes harrassed at WP as a result. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 00:11, 29 July 2016 (EDT)
:::Thank you for the welcome and thanks for the heads up! I've already received some heat on Wikipedia for taking some unpopular positions and opposing the bias there, so it will be nothing new for me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:36, 29 July 2016 (EDT)

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I saw your helpful addition to the article on Murder of Seth Rich, so I thought I would visit your talk page. How long have you lasted on the WickedPedia? I would be surprised that you would last long there, as I have found the WickedPedia incredibly intolerant and censorious, a pseudo-aristocracy with dominating bullies, biased enough for me to consider it a candidate for the Big T award (T in the Calvinist TULIP); i.e, total depravity! LOL I don't think you can do much on Wikipedia without being part of a group of old boys or buddies who work together. ([[User:Thunkful2|Thunkful2]] ([[User talk:Thunkful2|talk]]) 19:26, 23 August 2016 (EDT))

:Did you mean my Wikipedia talk page? I have been editing Wikipedia for almost three years already. A big reason why I've lasted so long there is because many of the topics I edit are not particularly controversial. However, you are completely right in your description of Wikipedia. I have seen firsthand the massive (and very visible) intolerance and bias Wikipedia has against conservatives, Christians, and anything that contradicts secular and humanistic (pseudo)"scientific knowledge". I could probably write a book about all my criticisms of Wikipedia. I have been able to do some good work (I was able to bring the article "Electoral history of Ronald Reagan" to official "Good Article" status, and I created a few articles), but on other articles, like the Murder of Seth Rich, we cannot have much confidence on the quality and neutrality of those articles. I do applaud you, Thunkful2, for your excellent work on "Murder of Seth Rich". It's awesome that at least one person can accurately present this story! :) --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:35, 23 August 2016 (EDT)

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I meant right here, this talk page -- I visited it after seeing your good edit. No, I haven't gone to your talk page on the WickedPedia. Thanks for the complement. ([[User:Thunkful2|Thunkful2]] ([[User talk:Thunkful2|talk]]) 10:45, 24 August 2016 (EDT))

:OK, got it. And thanks for your complement. :) --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:50, 24 August 2016 (EDT)

== References from Wikipedia ==

While it's not really plagiarism to copy a reference from WP, it just want to point out that you probably shouldn't do so unless you have read that source, and believe that it supports what is being said. If you are reading the books you are referencing, that's fine--I just can't tell. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:33, 8 September 2016 (EDT)
:Oh, that's a good point. I actually did not read those books, I just wanted to cite something so I wouldn't be adding unsourced info to the article. Should I remove those references anyway? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

::It is a good idea to find references to support unsourced statements, but it is a little deceptive to cite something you haven't read. To be entirely beyond reproach, removal probably would be best. At this point though, I honestly don't know if I'd bother. In my opinion, it's up to you. No one else has said anything, so it might be okay to leave them, I'm just not sure. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:51, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

:::OK. I will do my own research and find other sources that I can use instead. However, it's getting late, so I will deal with that tomorrow. Thanks for your help! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:58, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

== Account promoted ==

Your account has been promoted to include blocking and overnight editing capability. Congratulations!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 00:30, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

:Congratulations! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:57, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

::Well done! [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 01:06, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

:::Thanks all! I really appreciate it! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:21, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

::::Excellent! you did good keeping an eye on that vandal yesterday. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 14:52, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

:::::Thanks, Progressingamerica, I appreciate it! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:42, 29 September 2016 (EDT)

==Reading the WSJ==
Re: [[Christoph Blocher]]

Typically, when I want to read a WSJ article that requires subscriber sign in is to Google the headline and access the web page from a search engine instead of directly. Most of the time this requires a clean browser tab, sometimes it needs to be done in a different browser. Rarely, it requires a cookie clearing. Just thought that information may be of help. This even works with articles that are years old.

As a last resort, see if its in the internet archive.(though, most articles I don't want that bad to keep trying) But they're all good procedures to know. Sometimes works for other news sites too, besides WSJ. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 00:00, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

:Thanks for the tip! That's what I will do. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:32, 10 October 2016 (EDT)

== Account promoted ==

Your account has been promoted to include upload and rollback features. Congratulations!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 17:26, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
:Thanks! I really appreciate it! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:36, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
::Congratulations! Keep it up! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:31, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
:::Thanks David! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:43, 13 October 2016 (EDT)

== Move and unlock requests ==

You can post your move and unlock requests to [[User talk:Karajou]]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:30, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
:Thanks for the tip! It's getting late, so I will do that tomorrow. I appreciate it! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:37, 13 October 2016 (EDT)
::You don't actually need any privileges to do a move. You can cut-and-paste from one lemma to another. For purposes of copyright law, the edit summaries must make it clear where the incoming material comes from. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:54, 14 October 2016 (EDT)

== Karajou blocked a user who expressed views supporting the Presidential candidate who is not a sexual preditor. ==

People should not be judged in race on alleged sexuality. A proper critique of Karajou would be asking him about blocking a user who expressed views supporting the Presidential candidate who is not a sexual preditor.--[[User:Rodgerr|Rodgerr]] ([[User talk:Rodgerr|talk]]) 19:04, 14 October 2016 (EDT)

:If you think you have been judged unfairly, you could have just emailed Karajou or webmaster@conservapedia.com (see [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#Member Accounts]]). However, more than once, you decided to take the low route, calling him filthy, immature words [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Karajou&diff=1283494&oldid=1283491]. See [[Conservapedia:Avoid personal remarks]]. And why in the world did you do this? [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Coal_burning&curid=140922&diff=1283484&oldid=1283423] (for someone who apparently abhors Trump for the tape, your words seem just as bad) That, honestly, is shameful. I will note that the "Bringreaganback" account clearly violated [[Conservapedia:90/10 rule]]. Considering all this, it's quite clear you deserved the block. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:12, 14 October 2016 (EDT)

== Mainpageleft ==

In response to your good question about entries on [[Template:Mainpageleft|Mainpageleft]], currently there are about 112 featured entries there, which are "reshuffled" periodically. Do you have any suggestions about how that "team" of entries be improved, with respect to insight, influence, popularity, interest level, educational value, etc.? It's a terrific mix of topics now but there is always room for improvement, particularly as the issues and interest in certain topics by the public inevitably shifts over time. Thanks much for any suggestions you may have.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:46, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

:An example: "[[Underrated Sports Stars]]" is a solid entry, but should probably be replaced on [[Template:Mainpageleft|Mainpageleft]]. Do you have any favored, influential, insightful, potentially or already popular entry that you like, which you would recommend to replace it?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 12:55, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

::I do have a few suggestions. [[Murder of Seth Rich]] is probably the best suggestion, as it is very detailed and well sourced. Also, the Wikipedia article of the murder has been the victim of leftist bias (two times, within a month, editors have tried to delete the article, and with that failing, the article appears to have been stripped of much detail) which our article covers well. Other suggestions that I have are the [[Ark Encounter]] (a popular and influential attraction, and one that has been the victim of atheist and evolutionary bias, which the article covers), and [[Larry McDonald]] (a true patriot who stayed true to his principles, and his article actually covers the theories on his possible survival). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:22, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

== Account promoted again ==

Congratulations, your account has been promoted again, so that you can edit protected articles, and protect and unprotect articles. Very well done!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:05, 10 November 2016 (EST)
:Wow! Thank you very much, Mr. Schlafly! I really appreciate it! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:19, 10 November 2016 (EST)
::Congratulations! I've had some problems with the "protect" privilege, but I hope it works for you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:35, 12 November 2016 (EST)
:::Thanks! I hope so too! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:15, 12 November 2016 (EST)
::::Congratulations on yet another promotion. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 11:46, 12 November 2016 (EST)
:::::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:46, 12 November 2016 (EST)

==Can't edit article==
Hi again, 1990'sguy, it's Ambassador. Is there any reason I can't edit the article on the [[Big Bang]]? To keep atheists from changing it, I suppose. If you have access to it, you might want to add the point about the Big Bang, due to planets and moons spinning backwards, contradicting the law of Conservation of angular momentum. Find out about it [http://www.creationwiki.org/Three_planets_and_several_moons_revolve_backwards_(Talk.Origins) here]. Thanks! [[User:Ambassador|Ambassador]] ([[User talk:Ambassador|talk]]) 19:56, 22 November 2016 (EST)
:Yes, the article is protected probably because of atheist/secularist/liberal vandalism. Unfortunately, I cannot edit it myself as I do not have full admin capabilities. I recommend asking an admin ([http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&username=&group=sysop&limit=100 list]) to unlock the article or add the information you want added. Or, you can go to [[Talk:Main Page|the main talk page]] and add your request there, where more people can see it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:08, 22 November 2016 (EST)

== Thank you! ==

Hello there, and thank you for editing the article on [[Islam and Christianity]]. --[[User:SWAJCAHL&S|SWAJCAHL&S]] ([[User talk:SWAJCAHL&S|talk]]) 09:13, 23 November 2016 (EST)
:No problem, and thank you for creating it! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:14, 23 November 2016 (EST)

::And also thank you, for your help - and tips! - on [[Jared Kushner]]. I'll try to remember the ref's and cat's in the future. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] ([[User talk:Ed Poor|talk]]) 21:49, 23 November 2016 (EST)
:::Sounds great and you're welcome! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 23 November 2016 (EST)

== Geocentric page ==

I added a bit on the talk page a while ago. [[User:PeterIceHockey|PeterIceHockey]] ([[User talk:PeterIceHockey|talk]]) 17:15, 3 December 2016 (EST)
:Do you mean on the section "Ptolemy's view of a stationary earth"? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:13, 3 December 2016 (EST)
::Sorry for the late reply but yes. It doesn't seemed to have created a new heading so I will add that now. [[User:PeterIceHockey|PeterIceHockey]] ([[User talk:PeterIceHockey|talk]]) 17:11, 5 December 2016 (EST)
:::I removed it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:21, 5 December 2016 (EST)

== This is a simple misunderstanding. Please be reasonable. ==

This is [[User:Amorrow]]. I had to dirty myself by creating a sockpuppet because you cut off every last channel of communication. The issues:
# SSN of dead people are release by the government of the USA. I made it clear that my father is dead. His name was William Knight Morrow. You can find his name and SSN, for instance, at [http://sortedbybirthdate.com/pages/19311104.html this page]. It is public, not private.
# You could have removed that link and let it go at that. I do not require notification of such actions. I do not care about that link very much. I put it there simply as a convenience.
Is the matter resolved? If so, then please unblock me or let me know here what remains unresolved.--[[User:Amorrow2|Amorrow2]] ([[User talk:Amorrow2|talk]]) 20:44, 3 December 2016 (EST)

:I am discussing the issue on [[User talk:DavidB4]]. You are welcome to join in. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:48, 3 December 2016 (EST)
::You are unblocked. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:46, 3 December 2016 (EST)

==Pitch hitting==

Thanks for the ref [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Donald_Trump&oldid=1293435]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 13:34, 18 December 2016 (EST)
:You're welcome. Always happy to help! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:15, 18 December 2016 (EST)

==Trump==
You're not telling me it's just a coincidence, are you? [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 18:44, 23 December 2016 (EST)

:Seriously? It is extremely unlikely that this passage, which is about the Second Coming of Christ, has anything to do with Donald Trump. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:46, 23 December 2016 (EST)
::Dang :( Thought I'd had my first ever conservative insight. Must be the morphine. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 18:56, 23 December 2016 (EST)
:::I think this has more to do with biblical [[hermeneutics]] than conservatism. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:00, 23 December 2016 (EST)

== Merry Christmas ==

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Thank you for all your contributions to Conservaoedia as far your web article content.

Merry Christmas! And have a happy New Year's Day. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:37, 24 December 2016 (EST)

:Thank you very much, Conservative, and the same to you as well! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:43, 24 December 2016 (EST)

== [[St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre]] ==

I suggest doing the redirect in the opposite direction for two reasons. First, it preserves the history and visits to the pre-existing entry. Second, it leaves intact the "Saint" spelled out, which is a stronger and more effective title than the secularized abbreviation. I'd be happy to change the direction of the redirect, if you agree. Regardless, thanks for your efforts!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 23:01, 27 December 2016 (EST)

:Yes please, Mr. Schlafly, that would be great if you would move it. Just as long as the article shows up as being created by me on the "New Pages" feed. I didn't know that this article already existed, but I worked hard on it and I think that my article is of higher quality by any objective measure. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:39, 28 December 2016 (EST)

==European immigration==
I was thinking of doing an article on the [[European immigration]] problem (don't want to call 'European immigration crisis', yet). Americans are woefully ignorant of what's happening in Europe, and we're looking at doing perhaps the biggest change in Immigration law since 1952. In Europe, whole new political parties have been spawned because of the establishment parties failure to deal with the problems. In 20 years, the German mi!itary may be majority Muslim which would impact the future of the NATO alliance. Better get started now in educating the American public on changing demographics and how this may affect America's role as a Superpower, assuming it still is by then.

Would you care to collaborate? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']] 01:39, 29 December 2016 (EST)

:Of course, I'll be happy to help! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:39, 29 December 2016 (EST)
::Do you think we should add a subsection under UK about Brexit and to what extent that was motivated by immigration? Also, I'd like to include something about the Schengen Agreement. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']] 16:46, 29 December 2016 (EST)
:::Both of those are great ideas. The "freedom of movement" EU policy played a large part in the referendum and its aftermath. People are tired of unlimited immigration.
:::As for the Schengen area, people can go anywhere they want in Europe without worrying about border security (and before, it was quite tough crossing the border I've heard). The agreement is an essential part of the EU plan to reach full political unification. It really has nothing to do with economics. Also, criminals and terrorists can easily cross the border. The recent Berlin attacker was caught in Italy. He crossed at least two borders without being caught. Imagine if he tried doing that without the agreement. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:53, 29 December 2016 (EST)
:::::Same as most of suspects in 1200 reported sexual assault cases New Years Eve in Cologne. Something like only 7 or 22 arrests have ever been made, while most of the other identified suspects are reported to have fled the country.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''#NeverHillary'']] 17:06, 29 December 2016 (EST)

== Father's SSN ==

I created [[Social Security Death Index]]. After I add some ref's, I hope that we can revisit the notion of me declaring what my father's SSN is.

Just to mention where I got this idea from, it is from the web site anusha.com . Sloan has lived an erratic and at times immoral life, but he is just below the level of genius in raw talent. I refer to him as an "accidental adventurer". Please see thermo4thermo.org/sam_sloan.html for some of his life-adventures.
I am not promoting his lifestyle, but he is my publisher for my upcoming book. His web site is a mess. It has about 3000 pages but just a mess of cross-references. The home page is very, very long. You can look at pages like www.anusha.com/pafc147.htm . He also has pages like www.anusha.com/uncles-p.htm . His memory is almost perfect. Near Total Recall. Anyway, I hope we can engage in dialog about my father's SSN.--[[User:Amorrow|Amorrow]] ([[User talk:Amorrow|talk]]) 22:11, 3 January 2017 (EST)
==Hate crime==
Dear 1990'sguy, I am not trying to get into an edit war with you, but I believe that you are misreading the hate crime laws. They do not address "hate speech," just violence or other criminal acts against target groups that receive a lot of hate. I suggest that you do further research, and I hope that you will come to the same conclusion. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 20:31, 7 January 2017 (EST)
:For clarification, are you telling me that hate crime laws do not cover "hate speech"? Regardless, I think we should mention that slowly (but steadily) speaking out for biblical Christian principles (opposition to homosexual marriage, saying Islam is a false religion, etc.) is being seen as "hate speech" and vulnerable to being criminalized. See this recent story[https://answersingenesis.org/blogs/simon-turpin/2016/01/08/northern-ireland-pastor-not-guilty-criticising-islam/] and please note the recent attempts to censor Christian sermons in Houston (I don't know if other cities did the same). Censorship of Christian and conservative opinions is growing, and I could a few (but probably unrelated to hate crimes) examples. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:09, 7 January 2017 (EST)
::Also, while you can keep you additions, would you please restore the [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Hate_crime&curid=3861&diff=1298155&oldid=1298153 material you deleted in this edit] (particularly those three completely deleted paragraphs)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:11, 7 January 2017 (EST)
:::Thank you for fixing the dead link and finding an additional source. You are exactly right. Hate crime and hate speech are completely different. All Conservatives disapprove of speech codes, "safe spaces policy" and political correctness. The First Amendment is clear that regulation of speech must be neutral as to the message. The person(s) who wrote the [[Hate crime]] article years ago got a bit tangled up. Liberals want hate speech codes, and Conservatives oppose them. Both Liberals and Conservatives have voted to enact true hate crime laws to protect religious freedom and to address hate violence on the basis of race. Some Conservatives argue that the list of hate targets in those laws should not include "sexual orientation," but that argument does not belong in a section discussing protecting religion.
:::I took out the two paragraphs because they were repetitive, out-of-place and not germaine. Why not add them to [[Hate speech]]? Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:39, 7 January 2017 (EST)
::::Thank you for clarifying and for moving the content. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:00, 7 January 2017 (EST)
:::::You are welcome. Our discussion here was a bit time delayed. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 22:02, 7 January 2017 (EST)
If you want to include the legislative history, it should explain which bill that was finally adopted that is being discussed and how the bill that was adopted differs from the earlier bills. The people that worked on this article years ago were obviously opposed to a series of bills and were making arguments on why a bill would be bad. Their narative is out of date. We have a number of state and federal hate crime laws on the books and we need to describe what exists, give facts and statistics about how the laws work, and include some commentary on whether the law has been applied fairly. If you want to expand the history section beyond the two sentences that I have explaining how the federal law expanded the role of the FBI, please do so. But the fact that certain people sponsored bills that did not pass before a bill did pass is not helpful unless you explain what changes were made or how the early efforts illumniates our understanding of the bill that passed. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 00:50, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:If these proposed bills became law, we should definitely include this (even if we word it differently). We should do this in order to inform the public about leftist laws and to show that they didn't always exist. Unfortunately, I am quite busy right now, so I cannot do anything about this at the moment. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:49, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:::1990sguy, these bills did '''not''' become law. A similar bill later became law. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 01:10, 14 January 2017 (EST)
::Not to sidetrack your guys discussion, but let me point out (cause the media hasn't) we have just witnessed something very rare and unusual in the US. Traditionally, because of state sovereignty, the states prosecute murder cases and federal government's role is restricted, for most of our history, to capital cases in the US military. In the 20th century federal crimes like murdering the president, or terrorism on federal property causing death ([[Timothy McVeigh]]), were added. This guy, [http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/12/us/dylann-roof-death-penalty-explainer/ Dylann Roof], has just been sentenced to death for violating peoples civil rights with a hate crime enhancement, and ''not for murder''. The federal government does not have the legal authority to try this as a murder case. In fact, Roof probably never will be tried for murder cause the State of South Carolina isn't gonna spend the time and money to do it after the feds are done. In my lifetime, I think this is only the fourth case like this I ever heard of, tho I'm sure there's been a few others. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]] 22:37, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:::Rob, this happened a lot in the 1960s. Civil rights workers would go South and were murdered and either the murder was not prosecuted or a local jury would acquit the accused. The FBI would then investigate and the US DOJ would successfully prosecute for civil rights violations in Federal Court. The question is whether there is enough of a commerce clause basis to allow for the passage of such federal crimes, and the courts have upheld them on the grounds that if the federal government did not prevent such intimidation, people would not feel safe crossing state lines. Also, many states have suspended or abolished the death penalty, while it remains available in federal court. State "sovereignty" is very limited and not ''actual'' sovereignty in the legal sense. To me, this is a more interesting aspect of the Hate crime article than whether or not the definition should be expanded to include "gender identity." [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 01:08, 14 January 2017 (EST)
::::I'm not sure it happened "a lot". There was the 'Mississippi Burning' case, where the local cops and others were charged with civil rights violations, but no one served more than a six year sentence. This is why "hate crime" legislation was added later, cause sentences were too light for a "civil rights violation resulting in death". The problem in those days were all-white juries exonerating murder cases, so the feds invented a way they could prosecute killers. One guy was convicted in a state trial [http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/price&bowers/killen.htm 40 years later in 2005 of manslaughter,] but he wasn't the trigger man. No one has ever been charged with the actual killings.
::::Then there was Salt Lake City case of a civil rights violation resulting in death in 1978, but Utah was never part of the Confederacy, was not put under federal scrutiny in the Voting Rights Act, nor has a history of all-white jurries exonersting whites accused of murdering blacks.

::::In the 1990s, Brian Beckwith was convicted of violating Medgar Evers civil rights by killing him in the 1970s.

::::In the 90s Timothy McVeigh was the first person executed by the federal government since, like 1956. But this was a terrorism charge resulting in death, not a civil rights violation, AFAIK. ([https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3azq6b/eli5how_timothy_mcveigh_only_got_convicted_of_8/ McVeigh was only charged with 8 counts of murder, although 168 were killed]). Since McVeigh, there's been maybe one or two other cases of people executed by the federal government.
::::Bottomline, the federal hate crime enhancement was added cause, while the feds proved they could get a conviction where the state failed to act, the penalty was too low. Since its inception, it's hard to find a single case that the law was used for what it was designed for. There is no evidence whatsoever that South Carolina would not prosecute Dylann Roos, or an all-white jury would have exonerated him if the feds failed to intrude. South Carolina has lost its right to govern itself, its sovereignty. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]] 06:32, 14 January 2017 (EST)
:::::If this is true, then it definitely should be added. It would give yet another ignored example of massive governmental expansion and movement towards socialism. JDano, if the 2009 proposal did not become law, then what did the actual law consist of? If the bill that was listed on the article did not become law, then there is no point in including it. However, a legislative history of successful bills would be good. However, I am still quite busy, so I will not attempt to do anything about this at the moment. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:49, 14 January 2017 (EST)

==Contest==
I will provide the details you seek when i get some time. You were in the top 5. --Jpatt 10:19, 16 January 2017 (EST)
:Thank you for the reply Jpatt! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:40, 16 January 2017 (EST)

== discuession ==

I am continuing the discussion on my talk page.--[[User:Amorrow|Amorrow]] ([[User talk:Amorrow|talk]]) 10:39, 22 January 2017 (EST)

==Question==
What would be the best word to describe Eurosceptic's opponents? Eurocentric? Pan European? Some other? I don't like globalist in this context. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Make Exxon Great Again]] 12:42, 28 January 2017 (EST)
:I would say either "Europeanists," "Europhiles," or "Euro-Federalists" are the best. They either seem to be the most used terms. Of those three, I would personally opt for the first. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:00, 28 January 2017 (EST)

== Ban editing ==

Hi, I've noticed you sometimes change blocks by other admins to increase the time or make in infinite. I appreciate your intentions, but just thought I would point out a couple things. Firstly, the blocking admin generally has the final say over the block they have imposed. For example, if a person want to dispute the ban, they are to go to the blocking admin, and that admin decides whether to revoke the ban or not (as can be seen [[Conservapedia:Quick_reference#If_you_get_blocked|here]]). Since you are not revoking a block, it's probably not as big of an issue, but it still seems to be proper etiquette. Of course, full admins have authority over assistants such as you and I, so they have the right to direct revise of revoke blocks we make. 
Secondly, While it makes good sense to block those people forever, it doesn't really work that way. A ban applies to the username, and the IP from which they edited if the option is selected--nothing more. Vandals almost always use servers to redirect their connection, however, so that their true IP is never seen by CP. This means that when we block those users, we are really just blocking the server they were using. This is a good thing too, but the problem is that these servers are usually assigned new IPs periodically, so the block no longer applies--now the blocked IP is unassigned. Since most people in the western world still use IPv4, there are not that many spare IP addresses, so the IP is soon assigned to someone else. Now some innocent person is using an IP which for all eternity has been blocked on CP. They probably will never even know, but if we set infinite blocks enough, the chances of that happening regularly increase continuously. I know some people here do use infinite block regularly, but in my opinion its a logistical problem. This is why I almost always set a time limit, or block only the username infinitely, and leave the IP unblocked (which I prefer not to do).
Thanks for your ongoing efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:05, 31 January 2017 (EST)
:Yikes, I should have thought of that. The thought of indefinitely blocking innocent people from CP certainly is not a good thing. If you haven't reverted by block change, feel free to undo it. I'm too busy right now to do it myself. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 31 January 2017 (EST)

::The chances of that happening from a couple blocks are pretty low, but it can add up. Anyway, no harm done. I just thought I'd mention it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:24, 31 January 2017 (EST)

== expand ==

[[Gainful employment]]. Yes. I dare you to.--[[User:Amorrow|Amorrow]] ([[User talk:Amorrow|talk]]) 08:32, 4 February 2017 (EST)
:Why? What's the purpose of you messaging me? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:25, 4 February 2017 (EST)

==[[Abortion]] article==
It's open for you to make your suggested additions. As to the Leif Ericson image, what needs to happen is a new image uploaded in its place. I'll try to find one later. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 13:18, 6 February 2017 (EST)
:New Leif image uploaded and added to article. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 12:56, 7 February 2017 (EST)
::Thank you. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:02, 7 February 2017 (EST)

== Addiction article and TAR ==

Hello again, Regarding the [[Addiction]] article and specifically its categories, I agree with JDano. Let me attempt to explain: 

"TAR" is short for [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] a former user and assistant SysOp here at Conservapedia. People have differing opinions of him, but mine is that he did offer some valuable contributions, but also did not understand and did not learn the rules of CP. Among some other issues, he tended to add many "See also" links to articles which were not sufficiently relevant and did the same with categories. Thus, when editors refer to "TAR" they are usually talking about this debris, which should not exist. TheAmericanRedoubt (TAR) has since stopped editing here, and his account has been deleted. However, some of the links and categories he inserted still exists, and make things look messy. For this reason, a number of editors (including myself) try to clean up these issues and restore a little more order. The guide page [[Conservapedia:How to create and maintain high-quality articles]] was the direct result of TAR's methods. 
Regarding the categories specifically, it's best to maintain a "tree" structure. A page should not connect to categories which also contain subcategories it links to. Also, it should link only to categories which contain it, not categories which the page topic can contain. In other words, a page "drug" should be in the category "medicines" but not in a category "antibiotics". 
I hope this clarifies a bit. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:42, 13 February 2017 (EST)

:Please allow me to apologize for my impatience with the "addiction" article. You accidentally stepped into the remains of a hornets' nest. TAR added lots of utterly irrelevant see-also's and categories, in what can only be described as an attempt to turn this wiki into survivalist-pedia, or perhaps James-Wesley-Rawles-pedia. He offended a huge number of people with his implications that we were all supposed to stockpile bullets, batteries, and other survivalist stuff (I could look it up but it's too nauseating) and move to a "redoubt" in Idaho or similar place while we wait for the apocalypse. We were also all supposed to be into some kind of crackpot Indian alternative medicine. (I think it was called "ayurvedic" or something like that; once again too nauseating.) The whole wiki was in an enormous uproar for a few months. (And Cons, who really doesn't subscribe to that stuff, nevertheless stirred up the pot by pretending to be in email contact with the guy.)
:So if you see suspicious see-also's or categories, especially with codewords like "nanny state" or "gun-grabbing", be aware this might be detritus from TAR. I support the second amendment, but I don't support putting all this survivalist garbage into an article on fire hydrants.
:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:36, 13 February 2017 (EST)
::It has taken a huge amount of work to undo TAR's damage. I suppose that you think that there is a bias against any change he had made, and there is probably some truth to that. He did not understand that our categories have a tree structure. Instead, he thought of categories as a word association test. Putting in excess categories and excessive red links makes Conservapedia less appealing to users and lowers our google search engine rankings. In theory, every article could be in every category, because there is some plausible connection between any two subjects. If we had a separate article on "Drug Addiction" then it could have categories like [[:Category:Illegal Drugs]] or [[:Category:Drugs]]. The problem is that [[:Category:Illegal Drugs]] is a subcategory of [[:Category:Drugs]] ''breaking up the category tree with an infinite loop.'' Here the Addiction article is on a much higher level that discusses video games, etc. So, it is not useful to a high school student looking for information about illegal drugs, in my opinion. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 05:46, 13 February 2017 (EST)

:::Thank you all for your explanations. Considering these things, I will try not to get in the way next time this clean up occurs. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:13, 13 February 2017 (EST)
== Thanks! ==

You helped make [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/conservapedia.com THIS] happen.

I have never seen a non-profit website go from below 100,000 rank to nearly a 50,000 Alexa ranking in about a year. And Andy payed zero dollars for internet marketing services during this period.

And there is no sign of a nearing web traffic plateau. My guess is that Trump supporters/Trump era and the resulting political waves significantly explains the boost in traffic.

Trump supporters seem very loyal so the traffic boost could be long lasting. It also seems like there is a reawakening of right-wing politics/nationalism that will be long lasting. And right-wing populism and "[[best of the public]]" go together like peanut butter and jelly. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:30, 13 February 2017 (EST)

:You're welcome, and thank ''you'' for all your edits! I'm happy to help improve the quality of Conservapedia. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:56, 13 February 2017 (EST)
==Quick project==
Dear Guy:
Our state articles list the members of Congress from each state, but they have not be updated for 2016. If five editors could update 10 states each, we would be done quickly. Could you please take a look at [[Conservapedia:Community Portal#Political directory]]? Thanks in advance, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 16:13, 15 February 2017 (EST)

Thank you for your help with the project and with People's Party. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 23:02, 21 February 2017 (EST)

== Tip ==

Thanks for your terrific work. One tip: the licensing information should be expressly included in the uploads. I added it here: [[File:EU_member_states.png]]. Thanks again for your edits and uploads.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 23:27, 7 March 2017 (EST)
:Thank you for the tip. I will remember to add the information next time. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:34, 7 March 2017 (EST)

==[[Template:Book]]==
Try working on it now. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 10:48, 11 March 2017 (EST)

== Questions ==

A few months ago, you told me to ask you any questions I had, so here goes:
*When recategorizing the massive and messy [Category:Authors] by nationality, I found two authors, [[Theo Hobson]] and [[Carl Sagan]], whom I could not recategorize as [Category:American Authors]. Could you change them for me?
*When fixing the [[Francois Rabelais]] cedilla mess, I set up a redirect. Has anyone ever made a loop out of redirects? If so, what happened? I'm scared to try it.
*Lastly, where is my attention now best sent - expanding the author articles, improving our coverage of science and mathematics, or maybe tackling another recat job, like [Category:Music]?

:1) Concerning [[Theo Hobson]] and [[Carl Sagan]], those articles are protected, and as an assistant sysop, I do not have the ability to edit them. I recommend asking someone like [[User:Karajou]] or CP's owner, [[User:Aschlafly]] to either unlock the articles to allow you to fix the category or to have them change the cat themselves. I've made many similar requests to them and they will be happy to help.

:2) I have not heard of someone doing that before. I personally don't think anything bad would happen if someone did try it, as you can still access the actual redirect page to remove the loop.

:3) Honestly, all three choices are great. If I were you, I would probably choose to expand the articles already created so that the average reader would find them more interesting and worthwhile, rather than just seeing a stub. After that, I would personally move on to work on another category, so that CP is better-organized. Then after that, I would do math and science, which is (as far as I can tell) on a different theme than your other work. This is my personal preference, but if you would prefer doing it in a different order feel free! You have been very helpful to CP, and I appreciate your work. Keep it up! :) --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:20, 14 March 2017 (EDT)

::Hi, just a quick note: A redirect loop shouldn't be a problem. I think the user is only redirected once, so after that they see the second redirect page. Redirect loops, double redirects, and dead redirects should all be avoided when possible. Thanks for your contributions! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:23, 14 March 2017 (EDT)

:::You are entirely correct, DavidB4; I just tried a loop with soda and pop (and removed it). Typing one would give you the page for the other, and an option to redirect. I'll proceed to expand the author pages now. Feel free to removed this section to abridge the talk page.--[[User:Abcqwe|Abcqwe]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 15:58, 15 March 2017 (EDT)

== Could you please write this article? ==

Could you please write this important article: [[Atheism and ethics]]?

I may ask another writer or tow to contribute to it also. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:07, 18 March 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, I think I will be able to find some time to do it. Unfortunately, I have other things on my to-do list (even for CP), but this article is important, and I will try to find time to help. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:10, 18 March 2017 (EDT)

::OK. Thanks. I think [[User:Pokeria1]] will be assisting you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:55, 18 March 2017 (EDT)

=== Sources to help you write an article ===

*[https://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/04/ethics-for-atheists/# Would human life be sacred in an atheist world?]

*[http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atheists_more_immoral.html Atheism Doesn't Lead to Immoral Behavior - Or Does It?]

*[http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/atheism_determinism_morality.html Does Atheism (Determinism) Negatively Impact Morality?]

*[http://apologetics-notes.comereason.org/2015/03/atheism-ethics-and-immorality.html Atheism, Ethics, and Immorality]

*[https://www.thinkingchristian.net/posts/2016/01/good-nothing-make-atheist-ethics-better-christian/ Being Good “For Nothing” — Does That Make Atheist Ethics Better Than Christian?]

*[http://www.reasonablefaith.org/questions-on-atheism-ethics-and-marital-conflict Questions on Atheism, Ethics, and Marital Conflict]

*[http://creation.com/atheism#atheism-and-ethics Atheism and ethics]

Secular sources:

*[http://www.iep.utm.edu/n-atheis/#H5 Secular Morality]

*[http://www.iep.utm.edu/n-atheis/#H4 The Moral Evaluation of Religion]

Additional sources:

*[http://www.paulcopan.com/articles/pdf/God-naturalism-morality.pdf God, Naturalism, and the Foundations of Morality] by Paul Copan
*[http://www.equip.org/articles/atheists-and-the-quest-for-objective-morality/ Atheists and the Quest for Objective Morality] by Chad Meister
*[http://themelios.thegospelcoalition.org/article/the-amorality-of-atheism The amorality of atheim] by Rob Smith
*[http://www.reasonablefaith.org/can-we-be-good-without-godCan Can we be good without God?] by William Lane Craig]
*[http://creation.com/atheism#atheism-and-ethics Atheism and ethics and morality] by Ken Ammi
*[http://www.doesgodexist.org/NovDec06/AtheisticExplanations.html Atheist explanations of morality and common sense]
*[http://whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2015/09/does_being_an_atheist_interfer.html Does being an atheist interfere with being moral?] by Lydia McGrew
*[http://americanvision.org/2742/nietzsche-slaps-down-dawkins-on-the-illusion-of-atheist-morality/ Nietzsche slaps down Dawkins on the illusion of atheist morality] by Dr. Joel McDurmon

== quick note ==

Would you be interested in email communication with me? My email is userconservative135@gmail.com

Please let me know if you are interested. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:54, 18 March 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, that would be great! I've been thinking for some time of setting up a CP email address account, and I'll do that within the next couple of days. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:29, 18 March 2017 (EDT)
::OK. That sounds good. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:02, 19 March 2017 (EDT)
:::Here it is: 1990sguysdg@gmail.com --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:46, 21 March 2017 (EDT)
I just sent you an email. Let me know if you got it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:10, 21 March 2017 (EDT)
::I wrote another response to your email. Please check your email box. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:05, 22 March 2017 (EDT)
:::I got your latest email and responded to it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:41, 22 March 2017 (EDT)

== If you are interested, another article that needs to be created ==

If you are interested, another article that needs to be created: [[Secular ethics]]

Sources about this topic:

*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_ethics Secular ethics]

*[http://www.iep.utm.edu/n-atheis/#H5 Secular Morality]

*[http://www.iep.utm.edu/n-atheis/#H4 The Moral Evaluation of Religion]

Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:11, 20 March 2017 (EDT)

=== A couple more article suggestions related to atheism and morality ===

Also, here are a few more articles that need to be written about atheism and morality:

*[[Evolutionary ethics]], Wikipedia has an article on it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_ethics

*[[Ethical naturalism]], Wikipedia has an article on it at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_naturalism

*[[Ethical subjectivism]], Wikipedia has an article on this subject at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_subjectivism

Thanks for your assistance on the [[Atheism and ethics]] article. It was much appreciated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:21, 22 March 2017 (EDT)

== The Project I invited you to participate in plus ==

Here is the project I invited you to participate in:

*[[Conservapedia:Atheism Project]]

It should be easy to find relevant online material in order to create some of the articles. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:19, 22 March 2017 (EDT)
:Thank you, Conservative, for your suggestions. I will begin on some of these soon. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:53, 22 March 2017 (EDT)
::I sent you an email. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:57, 24 March 2017 (EDT)

== Blocking user "reformed" ==

Well, I've got to say that vandalizing the user page of someone with block authority is '''really''' stupid.

But I take issue with your claim that he was an "obvious sock". As one who has been blocked a number of times on completely bogus socking charges, I take that stuff seriously. (The blocking was generally done by someone (now deceased) who had "checkuser" privileges and therefore had good tools for detecting socks, but did not understand how internet addresses work.)

It is not at all obvious to me, as one who has a lot of experience at CP, that he was a sock. He was a vandal, and you should block him for that.

Oh, dear. Now I see that there's a big storm of this stuff going on. And, yes, these guys, or at least some of them, are probably socks of each other. And at least one of them is using the name "obvioussock", just to taunt you. And one says he used to be a washing machine in his previous life.

My goodness! I think you are being trolled! :-) :-) And no, I had nothing to do with this. Just block them. It will blow over soon.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:54, 25 March 2017 (EDT)

:Thank you for your message. :) Due to the fact that "reformed" was created right after I blocked two users and vandalized my user page, I assumed that it was a clear sock of one or both of them. However, as it was not clear to you and possibly others, I changed the block settings to just include vandalism. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:06, 25 March 2017 (EDT)

==Screw up==
Sorry, I'm working with a tablet, and it's a piece of garbage. I didn't intentionally remove your comments. Sorry. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''CIA v Trump updated score'':CIA 3, Trump 2]] 15:31, 25 March 2017 (EDT)
:Assuming you're referring to those at [[Talk:Main Page]], apology accepted. It can happen to the best of us. They were other user's edits, however. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:33, 25 March 2017 (EDT)

== Thank you ==

For your reverts yesterday on my userpage, saw the sock puppet master was not finished with his trolling. [[User:YortKeldher|YortKeldher]] ([[User talk:YortKeldher|talk]]) 07:37, 26 March 2017 (EDT)
:You're welcome. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:54, 26 March 2017 (EDT)

== Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Vaccination ==

Thank you for your improvements to [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia: Vaccination]]. [[User:Desmonduk|Desmonduk]] ([[User talk:Desmonduk|talk]]) 16:13, 29 March 2017 (EDT)
:You're welcome. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:30, 29 March 2017 (EDT)

== small request ==

I sent you a message at the last place we communicated. Can you please read that message? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:59, 6 April 2017 (EDT)
:I sent you the information I promised. It is located at the place we last communicated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:36, 6 April 2017 (EDT)
::Sent you message. Please check place we last communicated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
:::I sent you a quick note to the place we last communicated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:51, 18 April 2017 (EDT)
::::Could you please go to the place we last communicated? It is regarding another matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

==Photo size==
With a large photo, there is much more word wrap in the table of contents, which makes it even longer. We need a wide table of contents. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 19:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:I've checked and double-checked, and I see no way how the larger-sized photo does anything to the table of contents. And I'm using a standard Google Chrome, 100% zoom screen. Could it be your search engine/zoom? I don't see any reason why the larger image is a problem in any way. I think it looks better, regardless. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:06, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::On Firefox the TOC is longer due to word wrap. You can get other pictures to help fill the space, but the space will be shorter if the TOC is wider. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 23:19, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
I am getting a lot of 500 errors. I will wait for you to finish, and then I will go back and apply my changes. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 11:07, 11 April 2017 (EDT)
:I have done my changes. But please, when making those changes, please do ''not'' revert changes I have made, particularly changes that I have already reverted you multiple times. I'm tired of these disputes. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:09, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

== IRC ==

Hello, 
After some discussion (on [[User_talk:DavidB4#Conservapedia_IRC_channel|my talk page]] and [[User_talk:Aschlafly#IRC|Andy's]]) it has been decided that I start an [[Internet Relay Chat]] channel for Conservapedia, since our old one has been dead since 2009. It is now registered and somewhat set up. I don't know if you use IRC or are interested in doing so, but anyone with block privileges on Conservapedia can also get block privileges on the new IRC channel. Unfortunately, IRC accounts are deleted after 30 days of being unused, so unless you plan on using the IRC at least once a month, there is probably not much point in registering. In any case, feel free to try it out--if you account gets deleted, we can always make another one later. If you are interested, please let me know! 
The IRC channel is: #conservapedia @irc.accessIRC.net 
Let me know if you have any questions or need anything else, also! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:33, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

:Thank you for your response. I have never used or really even heard of IRC prior before now (or, more accurately, before you and Andy started talking about it). What is the purpose of IRC? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:47, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

::It is perhaps the oldest form of instant messaging. It is basically a chat room, where people can join and idle or actively chat. Visitors can ask members questions, and members can collaborate. There is even file sharing, if that would be useful. I'm going to be writing a how-to-use guide to explain the actual usage better. 
::Most people use software clients, which they install (or run portably, which a whole different story), but web clients are also available, such as [https://kiwiirc.com/client?settings=7c7240c62a5d4861a8ad0ba697929f39 this one]. With the web client, you can just pick a name and connect, without installing anything. Also, since IRC has been around so long, software for it is compatible with almost anything. All desktop and most mobile operating systems support it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:55, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks for the info! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:24, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

== Re: Vandal ==

Already took care of that and left a note for [[User talk:Teapublican|Teapublican]] on his talk page. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 00:09, 20 April 2017 (EDT)
:Thank you. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:08, 20 April 2017 (EDT)

== Recent item on maintalk -- congratulations! ==

Sorry, I just couldn't resist making fun of you there. I immediately recognized the Breitbart article, as one that I had seen shortly before. And then I saw that it was you. No hard feelings, I hope. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:22, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
:None at all. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:37, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::Congratulations! The [[March for Science]] article is a ''really good article''. And you made it so. (Well, with a little prodding from me.) It sets out, straightforwardly, what was going on, and it doesn't descend into namecalling. I realize that you probably have very strong disagreements with what most of those people were doing, but you kept it professional.

::Really good articles, especially on potential "hot button" issues of politics, aren't all that common. Now maybe I will make another attempt to return the [[Pussy Riot]] article to the good state it was in back when I expanded it in 2014, before it got messed up with the implication that anyone who opposes murderous thug tyrant Vladimir Putin must be a "leftist", "elitist", or "social justice warrior". For which I was blocked, in blatant violation of the rules of this site. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 14:25, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Thank you for the compliment! Unfortunately, the router I'm using blocked the "Pussy Riot" article because of the first word in the title, so I cannot comment on that at all. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:00, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

::::How sad. I have created the redirect [[Nadezhda Tolokonnikova]] in case that helps. But it probably won't. You had no trouble typing the "P" word above, so I guess it's a problem of your router not going to a page with that word in the title. Maybe I should have named the page with its Cyrillc letters: "Пусси Райот". Well, you're not missing anything of cosmic importance. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 16:42, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::The redirect actually did work. Thanks! The article does not appear to have a high quality (at least in the aesthetic sense), so changes would probably be beneficial, but if you're going to make changes, I would like to remind you to be cautious and not to contradict CP's POV. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:17, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

:::In case you forgot, Sam <s>(and how fast it appears that happens with you)</s>, it was ''you'' who violated the rules of this site by putting a liberal POV into that article (among others, [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/SamHB per your history]) in the first place, then insistently readding it after your edit was reverted and you were warned about violating CP policy and about starting fights with other editors. You really should take the advice you're being given here and not continue violating CP policy. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 21:59, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

A few things:
*Today is my 9th anniversary at Conservapedia!
*I can assure everyone that I am very familiar with, and well versed in, the rules, commandments, guidelines, customs, and habits of CP. I am also familiar with the many, many, many discussions of these points that have taken place over the years.
*@Northwest: this is the expected response.
*@1990's guy: this is ''not'' the response I expected. I'm chagrined that you think the article is of low quality. Especially since you know how to write high quality articles.
I'm serious. I was proud of that article as originally written/expanded by me. I thought it laid out the facts accurately, and avoided name-calling and such. Exactly like the March for Science article. Please look at the article (preferably the [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Pussy_Riot&oldid=1328015] version, before name-calling got put in) and fix it up as you see fit. The name-calling consisted, among other things, of saying that those people around the world who took an interest in the case were "elitists" and "social justice warriors on the left". The latter term is straight out of Huffington Post and their ilk. It is a term of bleeding hearts in America, and not used widely elsewhere. In any case, one doesn't need to be an SJW to oppose murderous thug tyrant Vladimir Putin. In fact, given the recent falling out between President Trump and Putin, the accepted orthodoxy here at CP might be swinging away from support for the murderous thug. I hope so.

Please improve the article.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 11:28, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

:My problem is not with content; it is with organization, layout, aesthetics, etc. There are no subsections, which at least show the reader how the article is organized; it is just many paragraphs. Such articles do not appeal to the reader. IMO, it feels like reading a textbook. If it is just a few paragraphs, it is fine, but thus article has ten paragraphs. Adding a few headers and possibly an image would be beneficial (and I realized just as I wrote this that the March for Science article is approaching that length as well, so I probably either should just keep my mouth shut or add headers there as well). I did not mean to insult or degrade your work, and I apologize for giving that impression. BTW, happy 9th anniversary! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:46, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

:Sam - by your response, you're only proving what I said about your tactics and your history here right. You claim to be "very familiar with, and well versed in, the rules, commandments, guidelines, customs, and habits of CP", but you only pay lip service to them here while your actions on CP over the years (and even now) are showing that you simply choose to disregard them for the sake of pushing liberal POV on this site and to start fights with those who don't share your viewpoint. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 18:08, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

== Bill Nye ==

Could you please contact me by email at sam4557@gmail.com? I think we can make a really good article out of this. I have a number of criticisms of his behavior--my opinion of him has gone down a whole lot over the last few weeks, and I think I have some insights about this that I'd like to bounce off of you. I know that you and I disagree totally about evolution and creationism, but we can put together a good article stating the facts. We can stay away from the name-calling that so many articles contain, and avoid things like "so-and-so falsely believes that ..."

This is ''not'' about Pussy Riot, ''not'' about Conservapedia politics, and ''not'' about you-know-who. I just want to bounce some ideas off of you about Bill Nye and see if we can put together a really nice article.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 01:00, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

== Expanded article, footnote did not support genocide/racist abortions adequately ==

I greatly expanded this article [[Abortion and eugenics]]. The footnote in the liberal article was not supporting or at the very least inadequately supporting racist/genocidal abortion policies of [[Margaret Sanger]], etc.

Specifically, I skimmed the article as far as the footnoted article and it did not appear to strongly support such a big claim like abortion/genocide, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:26, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

==Something isn't right here==
... Ohhh I know what it is. ''Margaret Thatcher'' is on the list of liberals. ''Margaret. Thatcher.'' The bastion of conservatism. A favourite of Reagan. How in the ''world'' did she make the liberal list? [[User:Koidevelopment|Vive]] [[User talk:Koidevelopment|Liberté!]] 09:14, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:Wasn't me who added her. She was not as conservative as people think she is, as she did vote in favor of legalizing abortion and homosexuality. But, that said, it would probably be better without mentioning her, to avoid people focusing on her mention in the article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:24, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

::She might not have been a perfect conservative, but I still think she probably doesn't belong on that list. Of course, if you go back 80 years and read writings and speeches from liberals of the day, they sound downright conservative now. Still, she did defend liberty and much of conservatism. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:18, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Lady Thatcher's criticism of Simon Callow's performance in ''Amadeaus'' made her homophobic, I thought. Being homophobic wouldn't preclude one from being liberal however, [[Bill Moyers]] and Louis Black for example. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''The coup plotters won, for now'']] 15:31, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
I assume that adding the liberalism template to the [[Episcopal Church]] article was improper? I would like to know what the proper usage of this template is for future reference. TEC is one of, if not the most liberal Christian denomination in the US these days, sadly. I do apologize for this improper usage, as I am a new editor. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 15:00, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:Hello Anglican! I removed the template because I thought the article was outside the scope of the "liberal" template. What I mean is that the template links to liberal traits, but not necessarily to liberal organizations. I think the category is good for the article, but not template. I hope this helps! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
::That makes sense. Thank you for your patience. It's sad what has happened to the Episcopal Church in recent years. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 15:14, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:::You're welcome, and I agree. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:18, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== User: Karajou sent me and others an email saying he didn't like CP's article on liberalism. So... ==

User: Karajou sent me and others an email saying he didn't like CP's article on [[liberalism]].

The article needs major improvements.

I am not going to work on it due to time restraints. I spent a lot of time improving the [[liberal]] article.

I would use the same approach used with the liberal article. Clearly delineate liberalism from socialism/fascism because they are very substantially different (for example, Sweden vs. Communist China vs. Nazi Germany). But mention how the gap between the ideologies has narrowed in the United States. I don't keep up with European politics to know the situation there as far as the gap other than knowing that China has become more capitalistic. European countries commonly have more major political parties in a country so the situation is more difficult to keep tabs on. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:33, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:I posted the below information on RobS' talk page and thought I would share it with you also. You can go to RobS' talk page to see his response to me.

::I would work on the liberalism article. But also create 2-3 sub-articles: [[American liberalism]] and [[Western liberalism]] and [[European liberalism]]. The [[American liberalism]] article is just a one sentence stub article.

::I suggest a [[Western liberalism]] article due to the Canadians, Australia, NZ, and South Africa. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Since the Brits and Canadians have the most influence in the Anglosphere on the USA, you might want to create a [[British liberalism]] article and a [[Canadian liberalism]] article too.

:::Its too bad all this wasn't done before given that CP is a political website. I was largely focused on [[atheism]] which is a dying ideology. This had an indirect relation to liberalism given the prominence of the [[secular left]] on liberal/leftist politics. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:17, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== Re: American liberalism ==

I copied and pasted some of the [[liberal]] article into the [[American liberalism]] article.

Generally speaking, ideally you want the material in the section for main article linking to a sub-article to have substantially different content. In this case, you want the [[American liberalism]] article to have different content than the "American liberalism" section of the [[liberal]] article.

So if you want to reword and/or add material to the [[American liberalism]] article the would be excellent. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:17, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== Opinion on renaming an article ==

I wanted your opinion on an idea of mines to rename one of our articles on Conservapedia before taking it to an admin or someone with the ability to actually change the name of a page.

The current page [[Exodus of Israel]], I think, should be renamed to [[The Exodus]], where [[Exodus of Israel]] should simply be a redirect to that page. Not many users would think of typing 'Exodus of Israel' to get to a page on 'The Exodus', and 'The Exodus' is just much simpler. As it is, [[The Exodus]] is currently a redirect to [[Exodus of Israel]]. I think it should be the other way around. Your thoughts?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 13:34, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
:No, I think it is better the way it is. My main reason is that having titles along the lines of "The...." does not sound encyclopedic. The current name, I believe, is more high quality for that reason. Now, it is true that many users might not think of typing "Exodus of Israel," but if they type "[[Exodus]]," they'll run into the disambiguation page and find the actual article. Also, I'm not sure that many people would think of typing "The Exodus." To sum it up, I think the current title is better and give the article a more encyclopedic feel, but you're welcome to ask another editor what they think. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
Thanks for the thoughts. Wikipedia currently uses 'The Exodus', and I find that it simply looks better, as a title, then 'Exodus of Israel'. Secondly, I also consider it more likely for someone to type in 'The Exodus' then 'Exodus of Israel'.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 15:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
:Once again, if you want to ask another editor for their opinion, like DavidB4, feel free to do so. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:20, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
Thanks for your opinion. One thing though, do you know who can get this template locked?
{{Old Testament Books}}

At this point, all relevant pages have been created, and therefore this template no longer will ever need any more editing as it is complete. So the best thing to do is to get it locked to avoid any vandalism problems in the future. Just to note, before I came on, it was already locked, even though it still had many problems. Now that the template is fixed, the best thing to do is to get it locked. [[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:57, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
:I recommend asking [[User:Aschlafly]] or [[User:Karajou]]. They have protection powers. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:15, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
==Block length==
Thanks for your alert blocks. But one year is a long time for a block. IP addresses often change in a shorter period. You might consider 3 months as a better block duration in many cases.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:25, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
:OK. I'll see to that. Should I change the blocks I just did? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:26, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
::I just went ahead and changed them. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:41, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

== Congratulations on Donald Trump accomplishments ==

Hey, I just checked Google. While that movie award comes up first when "Donald Trump achievements," is Googled, and you are the first result after, you get nice results with certain other phrases:
*Donald Trump accomplishments - third link, no box
*Trump achievements - first link, no box
*Trump accomplishments - fourth link, no box
*Donald Trump achievements and failures - fourth link, no box
While Conservative's essays come up first when their exact titles are Googled, bear in mind that these phrases are Googled more frequently.
Congratulations on the publicity, 1990sguy!--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 08:07, 25 May 2017 (EST)

:Great job, it is well deserved! - -[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])
::Thanks, Nathan and DavidB, I appreciate it! It seems I chose the right article to create, in terms of gaining page views. For a while, when one searched the exact title of my article, that silly award was not at the top of the article, and in its place was a box with a picture of Trump linking to my article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:24, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
== Can you chat briefly? ==

Can we chat briefly? Can you please go to place I sent you messages before? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:16, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
== Here is the the article ==

*[[Liberal vs. libertarian]]

Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:54, 3 June 2017 (EDT)

== It's been great ==

You've been helpful since I you first welcomed me here - me, someone who had never used wikitext or HTML in his life and never believed in a young Earth. You've really made me consider that viewpoint, and you've done it with a brilliant personal appeal, far better than User:Conservative ever has.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:34, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

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== Red telephone for Cons ==

Cons: Thank you for dealing with the matter of [[Special:Contributions/Cal_Um]]. I know that you recognize that you are not an expert in relativity and know better than to get into the technical details of these discussions, and I appreciate that. (I wish more people recognized their limitations in this area; you can look up my recent controversies.) But this was a clear case of you recognizing that this guy was a troublemaker, and coming to my aid.

And now I see that there has been another case, with [[Special:Contributions/Bobbillyman69]], taken care of by Andy. Vandals look at the Recent Changes log: "Oh, look! Relativity is on today's dinner menu!" We old-timers know all about that phenomenon.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:21, 7 March 2017 (EST)
:Your welcome. I just happened to see it. I am guessing that for the foreseeable future that you and Andy are going to have to maintain the article as far as keeping it in accordance to compromise you two reached as far as the wording of the article. I don't think I will be of much help in the future. Again, I just happened to see that particular vandal.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:32, 7 March 2017 (EST)
== A liberal is wanted for an online dialogue ==

A liberal is wanted to have a single online dialogue. Please let them know at http://opposing-views.org/ if you are interested. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:15, 29 March 2017 (EDT)
:Here is their contact page: http://opposing-views.org/contact/ [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:25, 29 March 2017 (EDT)

::Well, I'm somewhat flattered, but significantly puzzled, by this. From looking at the web page, it looks like some kind of general liberal/conservative debate site. Currently focused on Obamacare, but with a wider outlook in general. My guess is that they are looking to increase their "contributor staff", particularly liberals, and they came to you. Or, more likely, you discovered them.

::I'm not interested in contributing to such a site. And one thing puzzles me about it. There are '''thousands''' of liberal/conservative discussions/debates/controversies that take place every day. I find myself in such discussions several times per day. So these people want to create yet another one? With nothing noteworthy about it? They will be (already are) totally drowned out by the discussions already going on around the internet. I have about a dozen such web sites already bookmarked.

::Now, about your choice of correspondent: I'm flattered, of course. But, when you needed to find a liberal friend, you came to ''Conservapedia''? Well, perhaps you contacted 97 other liberal acquaintances, besides EJamesW, AlanE, and myself. Actual liberals are a rare and endangered species here.

::About my politics. You put in some question, that you seem to have deleted, asking whether it's really true that I'm a liberal. Well, compared to most people, especially the admins, here at CP, I am way far left of the norm. But relative to the outside world, I am rather middle-of-the-road. (I can't speak for EJamesW or Alan, but I would guess that they are similar.) I actually hold a lot of conservative and "traditional" views, though that doesn't seem to mean much at CP. For example, I am appalled that we have a President who is a serial adulterer and is on his third marriage. And, all through the cold war, I was on the side of freedom, not the side of the murderous Communist thugs who were out to conquer the world. I believe in American exceptionalism, and believed that the United States was a beacon of liberty to the whole world. I was relieved when the Soviet Union collapsed. But now Russia, the descendant of the Soviet Union, is ruled by Vladimir Putin, a descendant of the Communists, one who invades other countries and fairly openly has his political opponents murdered. I am appalled that our current President doesn't have a problem with this.

::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 14:10, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
:::OK. Thanks for letting me know your decision promptly. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:03, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
::::I hope that it is possible to be a social conservative, a fiscal conservative, a political conservative, but still believe in rule of law, quantum mechanics, special relativity, and recent advances in machine learning/artificial intelligence. I never thought of SamHB as being a "liberal." [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 18:39, 1 April 2017 (EDT)
OK. SamHB is less on the left spectrum that I thought. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:11, 2 April 2017 (EDT)
:Doesn't help him though, does it, when some ''petty tyrant of the field'' decides to burn a conversation and give him a day off just because they can. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 00:24, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
::Sigh. Semper idem. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 02:25, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Well, actually, he can't. No, to be precise, he ''can'', but he ''may not''. It's interesting that this happened shortly after I complained about abuse of block power [[Talk:Main_Page#Abuse_of_block_power|here]], and his reply seemed to acknowledge that it was not within his authority to block me—"That's not up to me at this point, but to one of the admins".

:::I suspect that Northwest is probably feeling a bit guity about having violated his position of trust so blatantly by blocking someone over a content dispute. He may not realize that I am well respected by the admins; I've been around a while and they know me well. I've had some run-ins with Ed Poor, and he blocked me a couple of times for my abrasiveness, but we have since made peace. If Northwest looks at my block log, he will see that, until this week, none of my blocks involved "liberal POV". Mostly they were by people who had a rather checkered history of honesty, or for totally bogus claims of sockpuppetry with people I had never heard of.

:::It's ironic that all this happened only 2-1/2 hours after I put the lyrics to ''America'' on my user page, specifically calling out the lines
::::Confirm thy soul in self-control,
::::Thy liberty in law!
:::That was aimed at Donald Trump, who seems to have little self-control, little respect for law, little knowledge of American history and traditions, and little knowledge of, and respect for, the teachings of Jesus. But, as we say in this country: if the shoe fits, wear it.

:::In a few days I may go over to his talk page and try to make peace. To try to convince him that we can make CP a better place if we all work together. And that it would be better not to toss around the words "liberal" and "leftist" with such wild abandon, because it just makes CP look less respectable and trustworthy to do so. And that one doesn't need to be a "leftist" to oppose murderous thug Vladimir Putin.

:::[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:38, 13 April 2017 (EDT)

::::To make it short and to the point: You were warned before about your behavior on CP and you didn't want to listen (specifically regarding numbers 9 and 10 - ''especially'' number 10, which you violated several times before - at [[Conservapedia:How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia|How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia]]), so that's how you got the day off. To read how both you and AlanE are talking about this, you both come off sounding like the liberal media pundits who complain about Donald Trump's travel ban against specific Islamic countries and his proposed illegal immigration ban.

::::Your comment "And that it would be better not to toss around the words "liberal" and "leftist" with such wild abandon, because it just makes CP look less respectable and trustworthy to do so" also reflects exactly the type of things liberals say regarding CP (at the [[Liberal Style]] article, under Debate and rhetorical tactics):
:::::"Like to use the phrase 'reflects poorly on the site' when talking about the liberal articles on Conservapedia."
::::And numbers 5 and 6 under Liberalism in the same article:
:::::"Calling the use of the term liberal when used in a derogatory context 'stupid'"
:::::"Will often deny being a liberal, or will claim to be a 'true conservative', while spouting liberal and Democrat talking points and criticizing basic conservative beliefs and principles."
::::And under Personal traits (again in the same article):
:::::"Concealing one's liberal views rather than admitting them"
::::But at day's end, this is still Conservapedia, ''not'' Liberalpedia. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 09:11, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

::I could parody being a liberal, but when pressed to the wall all my inner contradictions and stupidity would come out, which might then just seal the deal. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''CIA v Trump updated score'':CIA 3, Trump 2]] 13:15, 13 April 2017 (EDT)
:::I puzzled by several aspects of this. By "parody being a liberal" do you mean make fun of liberals with over-the-top humor, the way Stephen Colbert used to parody conservatives on his "Colbert Report"? (He shows his politics in a different way in his present show.) Or do you mean "Convincingly pretend to be a liberal, in a way that would trick one into believing that I am sincere?" Any intelligent and well-informed person (which you are) can do that. What do you mean by "my inner contradictions and stupidity would come out"? That you would have a hard time convincingly imitating the stupidity of liberals (liberals and conservatives both have consistency problems) so that your ruse would be unsuccessful? Or that your personal "contradictions and stupidity" would make you unable to do the job? And what do you mean by "seal the deal"? Succeed at your imitation? Or let others succeed at unmasking your attempts? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 22:51, 13 April 2017 (EDT)
::::You covered all bases quite well. Parodying a liberal is not hard. If you come to a juncture where you're at a loss, and you have to think "''What would be the appropriate liberal response?''", you just say something nonsensical and contradictory, and it would pass. That's what I mean by seal the deal - there would be no question I'm a liberal speaking from the heart. [[Poe's Law]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''CIA v Trump updated score'':CIA 3, Trump 2]] 19:07, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

== Vaping ==

(No, I'm not referring to E-cigarettes.) Cons, please do not vape other people's talk pages, OK? I know that what you recently vaped here was insignificant, but please don't do it. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:14, 14 April 2017 (EDT)

== 9th anniversary ==

Congratulations on your 9th anniversary here! Despite disagreements, edit wars, and 19 blocks, you are still around! I know a number of people don't agree with you on various topics, and even I disagree on some things you believe (most notably, macroevolution) but I appreciate that you have "stuck it out" and are still trying to make CP better. I also appreciate your insights on matters which have been influenced by things long before I was here. You were also the only one when I first joined who seemed to be making an effort to help me learn the ropes and how things work here (an effort I am trying to pass on to others now). Thanks for your efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:49, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

== Re: Claims of familiarity with CP guidelines ==

Since you claim to be familiar with, and "well versed in", Conservapedia's guidelines (per your edit on [[User talk:1990'sguy|1990'sguy's talk page]]), here's a refresher from the [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#Member Accounts|Member Accounts]] section:

* Conservapedia is a politically conservative, Christian encyclopedia project. We welcome opposing views, but are not interested in users who come here only to change articles to their ideology (''as you've insisted on doing with selected articles here as of late to change them to fit liberal POV, despite your claims otherwise - ed.''), or disrupt by constantly arguing on the article talk pages that we are "wrong" (''likewise - ed.''). Trolling comments, incivility and personal attacks can be removed from discussion pages.
* We are not a debate forum, but a project. If you contribute, where you can, by adding substantive content, abiding by our Guidelines, we welcome you. If not, remember it is a big Internet, and you should go where you can support the goals of that project.

[[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 18:37, 28 April 2017 (EDT)
:Go write up a Popeye episode, son. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 18:43, 28 April 2017 (EDT)
::This applies to you too, JohnZ, just so you know. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 19:13, 28 April 2017 (EDT)

== re: Liberal article ==

I made some revisions to the [[liberal]] article to make it more accurate. And made some talk page edits indicating my reasons for the changes. For example, liberalism is not communism or Nazism. [[Attila the Hun]] was not a liberal, etc.

If you want to review the article periodically to make sure my changes stick, it would be appreciated.

I will pay you the courtesy of not having all or most liberals equated with Attila the Hun, Adolf Hitler, Mao or Stalin. I would ask you, however, to have the decency to not publicize private emails.

By the way, I have been to Framingham, MA and got along with all the people I met. The people I met in Framingham did not give me Nazi salutes. And I did not see any Nazi flags on front lawns. Nor did I see any statues of Lenin while on Massachusetts thruways or while in Framingham. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:45, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:No Nazi flags? No Lenin statues? Not one? I guess Massachusetts is going soft. It must be all the political correctness or something. :-) I haven't seen any of that stuff in my trips to upstate New York either. Or in my trips to Iowa, Arizona, Arkansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Virginia, Alabama, Tennessee, or Missouri. What's the world coming to?

:Seriously, I have noticed your recent attempts to inject some reasonableness into certain articles, and I appreciate that. (I'm serious this time!) In fact, I have recently noticed some rather decent articles here. But plenty of awful ones, like "liberal" and its ilk. I'm trying to improve the good ones, while ignoring the awful ones. But you need to know that my ability to "make changes stick" is very limited, though I'll try. See my block log, the history of the [[Pussy Riot]] article, and the last half of the "A liberal is wanted for an online dialogue" section above (as well as a paragraph below), to see what I'm talking about. So someone might undo anything I do (and block me in violation of policy). But I'll try.

:I don't consider "not having all or most liberals equated with Attila the Hun, Adolf Hitler, Mao or Stalin" to be a courtesy to me personally. It's a courtesy to Conservapedia. But I appreciate it in any case.

:About the email: Perhaps I should have redacted the email address, but I considered that the name was so nondescript that it must have been a garbage gmail account that you created. If you have gotten spam on that account, I apologize. However, I think the general content of emails can't be considered private. (Just ask Hillary Clinton!) And most of the message was just hawking your own pages right here at CP, along with one link to a vimeo clip to an old Star Trek thing.

:Peace, my non-Nazi non-Communist friend, [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 13:45, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:::Follow-up: I have redacted the email more thoroughly; I assume from Cons's vaping that that is what he wanted me to to. He can't possibly have wanted me to conceal the ''fact that he sent it'', since he openly announced it in advance on this page.

::But if you do anything that goes against Conservapedia policy (as you've done repeatedly over time, and even recently), you ''will'' stand a chance of being blocked again (and despite what you otherwise think, blocking someone for violating CP policy is ''not'' "illegal"), so don't go thinking you can game the system just so you can get your way and get liberal POV imposed on this site. All you're doing every time you bring this up is that you're showing you prefer to ignore the rules of this site (and your history here, once again, proves that). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 23:43, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:::SamHB, I look at your restoration and its skepticism that more than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account.

:::The edit log shows that the User: Conservative account created the [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] article. The edit log shows that the User: Conservative account created the [[Gay bowel syndrome]] and [[Homosexuality and Parasites]] articles. No intelligent person believes that these articles are the work of one person. The footnoting style is radically different for the [[Atheism and the persecution of homosexuals]] article and frankly the article lacked machismo as soon as it used the alphabet soup of LGBTQ. Frankly, I don't even know what all those letters stand for. Why is the Q even used? It seems redundant.

:::You still not reconciled this blaring incongruently which was even noticed by a non-fan of the User: Conservative account. There must be some reason why you are not coming up with a reasonable explanation of the incongruity? What is it?

:::By the way, the explanation is so simple. More than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:45, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

== re: "I'm going to organize this in broad categories. That's the right thing to do for articles about scientists" ==

Bill Nye is an engineer. He is not a scientist. Stop engaging in credential inflation! I realize that evolutionism is exceedingly weak. But try to not engage in desperation tactics and make efforts to control yourself. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:46, 1 June 2017 (EDT)
:Well, it's the right thing for articles about science popularizers too.

:Sorry, I should have said "science popularizers". The fact that he's an engineer is irrelevant.

:I think the suggestion that I need to make efforts to control myself is a little harsh for such an infraction as calling him a scientist instead of a science popularizer. It doesn't strike me as anywhere near as great a failure of self-control as spending years pretending to be multiple people, or spending years making tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands? millions?) of edits, deletions, renamings, cross-links, and ineffably pointless changes to image sizes, mostly for an utterly obsessive corpus of foolishness.

:But we're still friends. I enjoy sparring with you. And I've got more stuff to do in reply to your previous edit on this page. But first, I need to change an image size.

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:18, 1 June 2017 (EDT)

== talk page second archive ==

You user talk page is insanely long. I think you are overdue for [[User talk:SamHB/archive 2]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:03, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

:You're right. Done. Thank you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:12, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
== Nice job ==
I read your user page archives - really entertaining, and they made me realized how wretched I was to write articles for Cons, even if they did get on the Main Page. Please, don't stop believing in relativity. Hold onto that feeling.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:34, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

==References==
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User talk:Gentenaar

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Abcqwe: /* Congratulations */ new section

--[[User:Abcqwe|Abcqwe]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 11:23, 3 March 2017 (EST){{welcome|Gentenaar}} [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 16:24, 7 January 2017 (EST)

== Copying from Wikipedia ==

I see that [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Terrorism&curid=8020&diff=1298285&oldid=1292453#Islamic_terrorism this edit you made] was directly copied from the Wikipedia article "Islamic terrorism." We appreciate your edits, but we do not allow copying from Wikipedia (unless it was completely your own work) because Wikipedia content is not in the public domain. Also, Wikipedia oftentimes has a left-wing POV, so it is better to simply write the content yourself. I recommend that you go back and fix the content you copied from Wikipedia so that it is your own work. Please see [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#Copying From Other Sources]] and Commandment 1 from [[Conservapedia:Commandments]] for more information.

Also, I recommend that you add some good sources (preferably without any left-wing bias) for articles such as [[PEGIDA]] (Conservapedia Commandment 2). It gives us more credibility and it helps create high-quality articles.

Regardless, thank you for you improvements so far. Your edits are appreciated and we hope you continue editing! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:12, 8 January 2017 (EST)

: Hello 1990's guy, I always changed at least something small in the texts I found on Wikipedia, but I will check if I can change some more words in those articles. --[[User:Gentenaar|Gentenaar]] ([[User talk:Gentenaar|talk]]) 15:24, 8 January 2017 (EST)

::It's always good never to copy Wikipedia text even if small changes are made. It could still be counted as plagiarism (and unfortunately, because of Wikipedia copyright rules, we would be forced to delete the information). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:29, 8 January 2017 (EST)
:::Wikipedia is not in the public domain? I never heard that.... I agree though, wikipedia does seem auful biased against liberals. I try and fix it, and my edits just get reverted. [[User:ContextBot|ContextBot]] ([[User talk:ContextBot|talk]]) 10:25, 6 March 2017 (EST)
::::That is correct. We can only add Wikipedia info that we personally wrote ourselves. And even then, it is preferable that we don't copy at all. I'm not sure what you mean by "biased against liberals," though. It's clearly the opposite on that site. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:03, 6 March 2017 (EST)

== Sources ==

Hello Gentenaar, thank you for your edits and article creations.

I noticed that your articles [[Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi]], [[Belgian Jupiler League]], and [[K.A.A. Gent]] do not cite any sources. I encourage you to add good sources to those articles and any other big changes you made. Adding sources is Commandment #2 in [[Conservapedia:Commandments]], and it really does help in creating good, high quality articles. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:04, 9 January 2017 (EST)

: Okay, no problem. --[[User:Gentenaar|Gentenaar]] ([[User talk:Gentenaar|talk]]) 10:13, 9 January 2017 (EST)

== Tips ==

Thank you for all your contributions Gentenaar. I see you have been learning quickly. When creating articles, I recommend also creating redirects (whenever necessary) so that people can find the article better when doing a simple article search, as I did for some of the rivers. A redirect could also be done so someone can search the last name of a person. Also, because a normal search is case-sensitive, sometimes it is good to make a redirect.

Also, I see that in many of your articles you still do not cite any sources. I encourage you to add at least one good source for an article, even if it is a very short article, as it improves the quality of the article and our reputation. Regardless, thank you for your edits. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:09, 19 January 2017 (EST)

== Category usage ==

I see you are making great progress in creating and structuring categories to go with pages! Keep it up! Just one note, in general it's best to to avoid including but parent and child categories. In the category "tree" please try to only include an article on one "level". If it applies to two entirely different branches, then it's okay to include it regardless, but in cases such as [[Tagus]], try to include it in only the category "European Rivers" or only in the categories of the specific countries it runs through, such as "Portuguese Rivers". Thanks for your work! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:13, 20 January 2017 (EST)

== Page moves ==

Hi, I notice you are requesting a number of page moves (1990'sguy is doing a good job of informing me about them). If you want a page moved, it may be more effective if you use the move template, like <nowiki>{{move|New page name}}</nowiki> so that the page is marked and categorized for moving. Also, feel free to ask me directly for a page move, since it may take time before I or someone else notices your request. Thanks for everything! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:55, 4 February 2017 (EST)

Thanks for the advice! --[[User:Gentenaar|Gentenaar]] ([[User talk:Gentenaar|talk]]) 02:07, 5 February 2017 (EST)

== Advice ==

Hi, Gentenaar. I've noticed you make impressive amounts of contributions on the recent changes page. Do you have any advice for making lots of edits or creations of lots of articles? - Nathan --[[User:Abcqwe|Abcqwe]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 17:37, 2 March 2017 (EST)
:Hello Nathan, for me it's all about my special interest in geography and when I saw how little articles there where about Europe on CP I felt like having a mission here. I'm European and I was in many European countries (Budapest, Prague, Berlin, Rome, Athens, and last week London for the third time and so much more) so I wanted to spread my knowledge and help CP to grow. If there is some subject you really interested in and the number of articles are low you can start creating a mass of new articles or you can help me with my geography boom. Greetings from Belgium, Steve. --[[User:Gentenaar|Gentenaar]] ([[User talk:Gentenaar|talk]]) 10:34, 3 March 2017 (EST)
::Okay, then. I guess we'll see lots of articles about literature and geometry. Thank you!--[[User:Abcqwe|Abcqwe]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 11:23, 3 March 2017 (EST)

== Congratulations ==

Congratulations upon being promoted to "block"!

I noticed that you indefinitely blocked a vandal. While it does seem good to block someone like that indefinitely, such a block also prevents the IP address from accessing CP. Because vandals often use different servers, they are able to hide their actual IP address. Thus, by blocking a vandal indefinitely, some innocent person who was unfortunate enough to get the same IP address may not be able to see CP in the future. This is not that big of a deal, but it is probably better to only use temporary blocks -- 1, 2, 5 months or years, etc. DavidB4 gave [[User talk:1990'sguy#Ban editing|a better explanation]] on my talk page. Regardless, you have done some very good work here. Keep it up! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:07, 4 March 2017 (EST)

::Thanks for your advice, 1990'sguy. --[[User:Gentenaar|Gentenaar]] ([[User talk:Gentenaar|talk]]) 06:13, 5 March 2017 (EST)

== Account promoted ==

Congratulations, your account has been promoted again, this time to include uploading privileges. Please be sure to give attribution to the author of the image pursuant to CC or other licensing guidelines. Thank you!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:53, 5 March 2017 (EST)

:Thank you very much for the confidence, Andy. --[[User:Gentenaar|Gentenaar]] ([[User talk:Gentenaar|talk]]) 13:06, 5 March 2017 (EST)

== Great entry! ==

I enjoyed your new entry, [[Monasteries of Daphni, Hosios Loukas and Nea Moni of Chios]]!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 15:13, 26 April 2017 (EDT)
::Thanks, it's nice to see my work is appreciated!--[[User:Gentenaar|Gentenaar]] ([[User talk:Gentenaar|talk]]) 15:15, 26 April 2017 (EDT)

== Article moves ==

Hello, 
When a page needs to be moved, the simple solution is to do what you did--cut the content from the source, and paste it in the destination. However, this method is generally discouraged. Doing this causes the edit history to be lost. Since you were the primary contributor to that page anyway, it is probably not major problem, but one other person did contribute and now is not getting credit. Besides, starting a page with a lot of content but no history can make some suspect plagiarism. 
If pages where you are the only contributor need to be moved, it is probably okay to use the cut-and-paste method, but if anyone else has contributed as well, please ask an administrator or assistant SysOp (such as myself) to perform the move properly. 
Thank you for all of your efforts so far, and your attempt at a quick solution for [[St Gall]]! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:13, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
:I understand, thanks for the advice.--[[User:Gentenaar|Gentenaar]] ([[User talk:Gentenaar|talk]]) 05:37, 28 April 2017 (EDT)
::It is '''very important''' not to copy and paste to move page contents to a new location. For copyright reasons, we must carry the history of the page contributions with the content. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 14:01, 28 April 2017 (EDT)
==Winchester Cathedral==
I see that you uploaded a photo from a copyrighted travel site to Conservapedia. Are you sure that the photo was not copyrighted? There is a copyright notice on the bottom of each page of that website. Perhaps you can substitute a photo from Wikipedia or flicker. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 14:01, 28 April 2017 (EDT)
: I changed the photo with the one I uploaded from wikimedia commons.--[[User:Gentenaar|Gentenaar]] ([[User talk:Gentenaar|talk]]) 06:23, 29 April 2017 (EDT)

== Congratulations ==

You were one of the best editors I met here when it came to generating useful content in recent times. I know you made some stubs, but that's fine; they increase page count and they're less humiliating than some of the things I've seen here.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:34, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

User talk:AlanE

2017-06-04T20:33:53Z

Abcqwe: /* Nice being here */ new section

{{welcome}}

'''Anyone I have banned who wishes to question my decision (or for any other reason) can contact me at alan.carvel@gmail.com'''

[[User:AlanE/Archive]]

== Welcome back ==

Welcome back!

I am going to be listening to my [[User:Conservative/Classical and related music|YouTube classical music collection]] more as I attend to various tasks. If you want to add to it or have any suggestions, it would be most welcome. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:39, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
:Thank you Cons.
:Music, especially "classical" music is a personal thing and I tend not to "suggest" things. I have gone through your Youtube selections and agree with much of it. My suggestion would be to subscribe to http://www.naxosmusiclibrary.com/home.asp?rurl=%2Fdefault.asp For 25 bucks a month you get the streaming rights to close to 100,000 CDs. Thank you again. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 22:29, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
::Thanks. I bookmarked it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:04, 6 July 2014 (EDT)

== Dover ==

I have moved your article Dover, UK to [[Dover, England]]. Feel free to change it back but I think this option is much better [[User:SMortlach|SMortlach]] 01:51, 10 July 2014 (EDT0
:Doesn't worry me. In speech,I prefer the individual countries to the increasingly ubiquitous "UK" anyway. You do realise there are other English placenames with "UK" after them to separate them from things you eat, grow or have the first name "Mitt". I sometimes think that naming their county would be even better than using "England". Rugby Warwickshire is a case in point. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 02:49, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

== Main page link ==

For the story about the angry Burger King worker kicking down the anti-abortion signs, the link posted went to a story about Uganda. I've got a link for the actual story. You're welcome. :) [http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/07/11/caught-tape-woman-faces-assault-charge-attack-pro-life-activists] [[User:Atum|Atum]] 22:45, 13 July 2014 (EDT)
:Not me, mate. You have the wrong editor. I haven't even read the Main Page today. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 23:51, 13 July 2014 (EDT)

==The invisible WWI==

The First Wold War has been on my mind a bit recently. You see, the War began 100 years ago last week.

Every year about this time I disappear into my “study” (you Yanks would call it a “den”) and listen (loudly) to Britten’s ‘’War Requiem”; Handel and Bach in turn get a pounding at certain other times of the year.

Then yesterday I read of the death of a great Australian classical composer, Peter Sculthorpe. I spent the rest of the day with CDs of his music as my companions. One of his shorter pieces is ‘’Small Town’’ an evocation of any of the villages and towns dotted across the continent from Peter’s own northern Tasmania to the arid outback. The middle movement of this work consists of the haunting ‘’Last Post’’ featuring a solo trumpet – you see, every small town has a war memorial.

Or so it seems from my observations during over 50 years of poking around the backblocks of this big country. Sometimes it is in the grounds of the local church, often attached to the community hall, frequently part of the public playground/picnic area beside the local sports ground.; which is called “The Memorial Oval” or similar. I have seen this mini cenotaph stand alone amongst the detritus of a settlement that died when the mine or cannery closed or the new main road bypassed it or there was one drought or flood too many. No doubt there were times when the sheer sad weight of numbers on the remembrance board made life seem untenable for those remaining, so the memorial was erected by a town already dying.

A trip around New Zealand reveals much the same; and it may interest some that, in England and Wales, there are so few villages or parishes that survived the War without casualties that they are called “Thankful Villages”. At last count, there are only 52 of them.

I know America didn’t join the War until 1917, and I know its number of casualties compared to total population was not as great so the War may not as indelible on the national consciousness, but I find the complete lack of recognition of this centenary on Conservapedia’s Main Page most disappointing. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 20:33, 9 August 2014 (EDT)

:Thanks Cons for spitting on the war dead you miserable bastard! Anyone who uses the death of millions to further their ideological arguments needs a great deal of pity! [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 21:14, 9 August 2014 (EDT)
::Your reaction essentially comes down to "I'm offended" which is not a legitimate criticism of the historical analysis which was offered. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:00, 9 August 2014 (EDT)
:::You're right Cons.I am offended. For the same reason I am offended by anyone who shows a complete lack of empathy and understanding - conscience, whatever, for the feelings of another. You really don't understand, do you? I pity you. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 22:21, 9 August 2014 (EDT)
::::You are being immature, unreasonable and intolerant. These are often the attributes of those who want to censor inconvenient facts which criticize their errant ideology. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:44, 9 August 2014 (EDT)

I love it Cons, I love it. "Immature. unreasonable and intolerant." Love it! Three adjectives that my family and those that know me would disagree with. {Do you have a family, Cons? Wife? Children?) Have you ever got out from behind your keyboard and traveled your country. Cons?
Have you ever made love, Cons, or are you a 40's something virgin?
: I expressed disappointment at CP's failure to feature WWI in it's main page and you carry on about Darwinism. You have a problem my lad.[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 23:19, 9 August 2014 (EDT)
::You come to Conservapedia and then get upset when Christian religious conservatism is expressed which is buttressed by legitimate historical analysis. You are the one with the problem and it is a self-imposed problem. The price of freedom is a free society is hearing views that you don't agree with. If you don't like this, then do your best to stay in a self-imposed liberal cocoon. In the meantime, I am going to let freedom ring on the main page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:28, 9 August 2014 (EDT)
:::I take your feeble attempt at a personal attack as any admission you lost the argument on this issue. Furthermore, liberals don't have a great track record when it comes to people who disagree with them, so I have very little desire to discuss my personal life with someone who preaches the virtue of sensitivity and engages in blatant hypocrisy. This holds true for anyone who may edit using the User: Conservative account. In short, I/we are not going to wrestle in the proverbial mud with someone who is acting like a swine. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:34, 10 August 2014 (EDT)
: You really do have a problem Cons. If you can take someone's ruminations and turn them in to an ideological diatrbe then I don't kmow what I can do. The people, Cons, who grieve at the memorials do not give a stuff, Cons, about some American idiot who thinks that Darwin has something to do with it. I thought when I wrote my bit on my talk page I would meet someone with at least a tab of humanity. Obviously not.[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 02:00, 10 August 2014 (EDT)

In the United States, we focus more on Memorial Day and Veterans Day (which marked the end of WW I). There are many WW I memorials. In Washington DC, there is a memorial in the form of a round limestone structure held up by Greek columns that is between the Korean and WW II Memorials. At the University were I studied there was an archway with the names of the dead engraved in the stone walls. I think that we mark the anniversary of the end of the war rather than its start because we are optimistic and hope for a world free of conflict. Many people felt that WW I was avoidable and a dumb failure of leadership. Certainly the military leaders showed no regard for human life.

This month we are marking the 200th anniversary of the British burning Washington DC in the War of 1812. We are having war reenactors, a Wikipedia editing session and two 5K runs. Many people view the War of 1812 as needless and others view it as actually a second phase of the American Revolution against Britain. I wonder how people 200 years from today will view the conflicts in the Middle East -- will they explain it as a religious war or a war for oil resources? WW I was "the war to end all wars" and gave us the League of Nations. WW II was a "just war" and gave us the United Nations. When I was a young student, I was taught that if only the USSR was not around provoking wars, we would have world peace. Well, look how the Cold War ended.... Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 03:13, 10 August 2014 (EDT)

:In Australia we have Armistice Day (your Veterans Day) - the whole country stops for a period of silence at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month.) On this day we honour the war dead of all nations but it is not a national holiday. On 25 April we, with New Zealand, have Anzac Day when we honour our own fallen. There are dawn services at war memorials all over both countries, and veterans and current military personnel march in all the cities and bigger towns after which old veterans get together in pubs and clubs all over the country.

:Anzac stands for Australia and New Zealand Army Corp which fought in the ill prepared and badly led Gallipoli Campaign in 1915. The campaign is said to have "blooded" the two young nations.

:The reason the outbreak of WWI is being commemorated at this time this year more than in other years is for the same reason you are remembering the War of 1812 this year more than is normal. Britain and Germany went to war on 4th August 1914 - 100 years ago.

::These times are for honouring the fallen and thanking the returned - not for making deliberately provocative ideological points.
::Thanks for writing. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 16:04, 10 August 2014 (EDT)
AlanE, I cited the historian Jacques Barzun about the role of Darwinism in creating a powderkeg in Europe relative to WWI. Barzun was a French born and noted American historian, who was awarded the American Presidential Medal of Freedom and who was knighted into the French Legion of Honor. I also cited Annika Mombauer, senior lecturer in history at the Open University in London and the author of numerous books and articles on World War I. I cited a quality article as well which documented its contentions. You can label my material deliberately provocative and ideological all you want, but I certainly did not cite ideologues to make some of my strongest points. See: [[World War I and Darwinism]]

Instead, what you offered in return was name calling, feeble personal attacks and hysterics.

You might be reasonable in other matters, but when it comes to Darwinism, you have been very unreasonable and closed-minded which are not the characteristics of someone wanting to conduct valid historical investigations. One of the roles of an encyclopedia is to provide a resource on historical matters. And you have offered no reasonable historical information in opposition to the material I offered. You merely asserted it was idiotic to think that Darwinist ideology was a causal factor for WWI. Argument by mere assertion is illegitimate. And you compounded your illogical behavior by acting in a boorish manner.

Lastly, if you contend that [[social Darwinism]] did not play a very significant role in terms of being a causal factor for WWI, could you please give me the full name of Charles Darwin's most famous work? Was the title of this book ''The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life?'' [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:03, 10 August 2014 (EDT)

:Sorry to be late with this, Cons. It seems Markman has been interfering with my access to CP and I have just got back on.
:So... I am not going to give you the full name of the book in the shelf behind me. Nor am I going to ask you the title of the book that brought on on the Spanish Inquisition or, more importantly, that was the prime cause of the Thirty Years' War.
:So let us relax Cons and believe what we each believe. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 23:16, 11 August 2014 (EDT)
::Markman has been banned for some time now now. My guess is that your IP was accidentally banned for awhile. Next time, go to another location and tell Andy via another username that your account was accidentally blocked. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:08, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

::Second, I have no problem being less of a warrior or more of diplomat. I can switch hats readily. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:07, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

:::Smile Coms.
:::Two minutes after I reverted an edit that reverted my User page to "Die Wanker" I found myself unable to edit - indeed unable to even reach CP. I spent two plus hours this morning (my time - remember I live in a different time zone to you) with a friendly nerd from my ISP fixing things. If you are not aware that Markman has not appeared under various guises in recent times then methinks you don't know what's going on about you. And yes, I did go to "another location" within CP and he was most helpful but it still took my ISP some time to sort things out. My account had not been blocked, Cons. my ISP had been prevented from accessing CP. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 02:37, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
::::Markman (who has been blocked) and his subsequent short lived incarnations doesn't have blocking rights. You were not blocked by Markman or any of his subsequent incarnations. I am not really concerned about Markman as I have higher priority things to attend to. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:58, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
:'Morning Cons. Read my post above. I didn't say I was blocked. I was...oh never mind. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 15:01, 12 August 2014 (EDT)
::OK. No worries. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:27, 12 August 2014 (EDT)

== I created a few stub articles but those are the exceptions that prove the rule ==

I created a few stub articles today, but those are the exceptions that prove the rule. :)

I created them to assist readers in terms of the [[Atheism and intelligence]] article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:16, 19 September 2014 (EDT)

:Cons, why are you defending something no one has accused you of? Have I accused you of writing stubs?
:As far as the budgie comment is concerned: if I were to write a further 200 words on the subject it would either be from my own knowledge of the little bird (can't have that these days can we? - not post Markman) or I would have to turn the article into something resembling a field guide. I don't consider the budgie article a stub. It gives a succinct, no frills, account of what the bird is from the point of view of someone who knows the bird, has kept the bird and has a 50 year familiarity with its habits both domestically as a single bird and in its thousands in the wild.
:And a further 200 words would only bring the article up to 450 words or thereabouts.

:And while I have you..... I am afraid Joey may have taken your 600 words comments literally and is casting about for places to put "stubs" without having the knowledge to do it correctly. I came across [[Pride's Purge]]. He plonked it into [[Oliver Cromwell]]. Now I know that, whatever other bastardry Cromwell did, he had nothing to do with purging the Parliament of the King's supporters. He was on the road when it happened and I have recollections of his feeling somewhat aggrieved when he found out about it on his arrival in London. I'll have no trouble changing the edit when I have time to delve into my library but I needn't have to.
:He is also taking "suggestions" as requests. Hence Dumbarton. (Which I will add to in my inimitable style when I have time.)
::Cheers [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 03:11, 20 September 2014 (EDT)

:::I understand that generally not writing stubs is a good principle and not an ironclad rule. Feel free to edit as you wish. I will send a message to JoeyJ. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

:::And Sorry for not getting back to you earlier. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:55, 26 September 2014 (EDT)
::::Put a quick note on JoeyJ's talk page for you. Thanks for all your contributions. Keep up the good work. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:04, 26 September 2014 (EDT)

== project ==

Would you like to collaborate with other editors on a wiki project to help Conservapedia be a strong resource for a given topic.

The topic could be decided by the editors participating.

If you are interested, please go to: [http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal#A_project_for_active_editors_to_collaborate_on The collaborative project]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:51, 25 December 2014 (EST)

== Sent you an email ==

I sent you an email. It has to do with getting you picture uploading rights among other things. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:48, 27 December 2014 (EST)

==Reply to Wschact==

You wrote on my User Page, the following:

''Red links advice to User:TheAmericanRedoubt''

''Dear AlanE: Please look at Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Quality_over_speed where we have counseled User:TheAmericanRedoubt to take time to create new articles of sufficient length and scope. His reply is that you have been after him to make his red links blue and that therefore he is creating a large number of 1 sentence articles (with attendant See Also, Bibliography and External Links sections). Could you please clarify your guidance? It seems to me that if an editor does not believe it is worthwhile to write an article about CETME, then one could refrain from making an internal link to it. Many thanks!'' Wschact 05:47, 7 January 2015 (EST)

On December 10 when TAR was only just getting into gear in his orgy of linking everything to everything I evoked Lewis Carroll in an effort to get him to "tidy up as he went."

I wrote: ''The proliferation of red wikilinks in your edits reminds me of the Walrus and the Carpenter:
:The walrus and the carpenter were walking close at hand,
:They wept like anything to see such quantities of sand.
:"If seven maids with seven brooms swept for half a year,
:Do you suppose," the walrus said, "that they could get it clear?"
:"I doubt it " said the carpenter, and wept a bitter tear.

:''I have tended to sweep up after me the links I have generated in my 200odd thousand words of edits here. Who has the job of sweeping up the multiple links you are throwing around with gay (ahem) abandon? I think you should start sweeping, boyo, because, from bitter experience, I know no one else is going to do it.'' AlanE 22:29, 10 December 2014 (EST)

That was nearly a month ago. My point was to get him to (a) lay off the links (stop generating so much sand) and (b) activate those links he does feel are necessary (sweep away what is already there).

I had no idea then of the sheer amount of red that would inundate the place. Perhaps I should have been a little less literary. I mentioned the maids with their brooms again on Dec 27 as part of something else. Cons put it so much clearer than I in that same Dec 27 conversation.

:Cheers [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 14:58, 7 January 2015 (EST)

==The Liberals smear campaign Won -- I now retire from editing Conservapedia==
I must say that the liberal smear campaign and relentless edits/deletions from 5 very loud CP liberal trolls / RINOs (besides the vociferous [[User:Wschact]], you know who you are and will be happy to know you have won) has been no fun. I am sad to say, it is much worse edit wars and liberal reverts than ''anything'' I contributed over the years to Wikipedia. Sorry [[User:Aschlafly]], [[User:Conservative]], [[User:Karajou]] and [[User:Jpatt]], but I have lost the enthusiasm to continue contributing to CP in the face of this much liberal opposition. Thank you 4 for what you do for the conservative movement. I strongly suspect that the frequent sock puppet hacker-vandalist accounts were [[User:Wschact]] or one his friends using a VPN since all the vandals edits were directed to things he was revert warring with me over. God bless.

Sadly, I no longer have the enthusiasm to contribute in the face of such ''''strong'''' opposition from 5 very vociferous liberal/RINO editors. It's more of an uphill battle than it was on Wikipedia, I am very disappointed to say. Godspeed in all you do.
[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 02:26, 9 January 2015 (EST)

== The red link invasion will stop :) ==

I contacted TheAmericanRedoubt. The red link invasion will stop. :)

Thanks for all your contributions and generally (we all have our moments) being an amiable editor. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:14, 11 January 2015 (EST)
=== I contacted TheAmericanRedoubt about the red link situation ===
Two things:

1. He is going to be lighter on the red links, but not completely stop. It would require a lot of extra work for him to completely stop.

2. He is going to be a long term editor so the red links will be filled in. He isn't counting on others to fill in the links.

I think this is a reasonable compromise. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:14, 14 January 2015 (EST)

== Top of the mornin' to you Alan ==

:And g'day to you too, Cons.
:Just reminding you all that this site was created for Andy's home school students and should be factually correct. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 00:05, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::No worries. King Solomon said to be happy when people correct you (Proverbs 9:8). I made the corrections. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:09, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:Yes, Cons: I know what King Solomon said and I know and appreciate what you did. So. Do you want to delete that silly woman off my talk page or shall I?
:Thank you.[[User:AlanE|AlanE]]
::I like the version of the song recorded by the Irishman John McCormack the best and he appears to have made the first recording of the song. But I was not aware it was composed by Irish-American New Yorkers. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:51, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:The McCormick version is famous. I have it here somewhere in my jungle of old 78s etc., The Kenneth McKellar version is as good and more modern. It's a matter of taste. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 01:17, 15 January 2015 (EST)

==Transferred from User talk:EJamesW==
==Cons: please...==
...if you feel you must spray, please spray in your own yard. Normal standards of behaviour don't seem to apply to you do they? Open a new playground if you must, and leave his talk page to what it is designed to be - his own talk page. Or transfer it to mine - I'm used to it. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 22:31, 28 January 2015 (EST)
:AlanE, EJamesW several times has given me a hard time about creating numerous atheism articles for a......ONLINE ENCYCLOPEDIA. Incredible! He asked me several times to justify creating them. And this is despite his user page hypocritically declaring he wants to see opposing information to his atheist worldview.

:Well, I decided to show him that I am going to stand my ground! Christians will not be muzzled by atheists at Conservapedia!!!!

:Ain't gonna let nobody turn me around...

:Turn me around...

:Turn me around...

:Ain't gonna let nobody turn me around...

:Keep on a-walkin'

:Keep on a-talkin'

:Marchin' up to freedom land. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:54, 28 January 2015 (EST)

::Get off his yard onto your own, Cons! Common decency. Heard of it? Possibly. Subscribe to it? No. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 23:09, 28 January 2015 (EST)
:::I wish the evolutionists heard of common decency and didn't force their views on others children.

:::Second, I stand by my previous statement. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:32, 28 January 2015 (EST)

:That's good Cons. ''You ain't gonna let nobody turn you around''. Not to mention ''others children.'' While you are doing that you can teach Andy's homeschoolers how to talk proper. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 00:06, 29 January 2015 (EST)
::Not going to post on his user page unless I absolutely need to. Working on an important project that is starting to bear fruit. Also, launching new project next week, God willing.

::In short, I am being more of a initiator/diplomat/facilitator right now and less of a warrior. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:29, 29 January 2015 (EST)

== Thank you! ==

Please see: [[Talk:Victorian paintings]] --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 22:06, 3 May 2015 (EDT)

== Constitutional monarchy ==

Why did you delete this term from the list of ancient terms? It is said "[[Aristotle]] organized the collection of one hundred and fifty-eight Greek constitutions". Don't you suppose that at least one of these was a monarchy? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 02:28, 3 September 2015 (EDT)

:My bad. I missed the reference to Plato therefore considered the subject not to include Ancient History. I'll put it back. I do think, however, that if an item is in a Category it should actually have information in it that is covered by that Category. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 02:49, 3 September 2015 (EDT)

==Navarino==
You should be able to add you material now. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 08:36, 5 February 2016 (EST)

== So 30 percent of Australians are lonely? ==

I would guess that the percentage is about the same everywhere. Including Cons's home city. Which I've been to, and is not a very exciting place.

Sorry, but I have to at least try to put a stop to this nonsense. It is absolutely disgraceful. Though I'm sure our friend will revert my notice.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:14, 6 March 2016 (EST)

:Thanks Sam.
:It crossed my mind only today that our friend himself must feel lonely sometimes, alone there in his room desperately trying to be noticed. Perhaps you and I and August are doing him a favour - giving purpose to his life.
:I also thought about opening up on the subject of Mao Zedong and Chinese buffets - a little oxymoronic don't you think seeing as you're liable to be hungry again an hour later. But I figured that he had probably never been to a buffet, certainly not a Chinese one, so would not know what I was talking about.

:::Oh and on Oz loneliness....80% of young women are feeling lonely because their cellphones are being charged.
::Better stop. Cheers [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 00:15, 7 March 2016 (EST)
SamHB, you would guess the percentage of people who are lonely is about the same everywhere? So the world is about the same everywhere? Like a McDonald's franchise?

Below is an excerpt from the [[Atheism and loneliness]] article:

In 1993, Reuters reported:

"Indian anthropologist Prakash Reddy has turned the tables on Western colleagues who put Third World cultures under the microscope.

Reddy, of Sri Venkateswara University at Tirupati in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh, spent four months in the village of Hvilsager--population 104--on Denmark's Jutland peninsula.

His study, published in book form in English under the title "Danes are like that!" expresses dismay at the loneliness he found and the hope that India would not have to pay the same price for prosperity.

"The most fundamental question that should bother every social scientist in the East is: Is there no way of achieving development without sacrificing the human values and the way of life cherished by homo sapiens?" he asked....

Reddy said he found a neat and tidy, cozy little society, stiff, rigid and seemingly full of practical, down-to-earth but lonely people, isolated from each other and lacking much sense of religion.

Compared to the teeming villages of India, the Danish hamlet seemed deserted and closed. To an Indian, accustomed to constant close contact in an extended family and community, Danish life was cold if not nonexistent, Reddy said.

"Coming from an Indian village, I was used to seeing people in the streets . . . but here in Denmark not a single soul was sighted and, except for the sound of a passing automobile, absolute silence prevailed," Reddy wrote.[23]

I hope this clarifies matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:23, 7 March 2016 (EST)

:Yes Cons, but what do '''you''' think?
:It seems to me that Reddy didn't know what he was talking about. He couldn't tell the difference between loneliness and solitude. Reddy went from somewhere he was used to to somewhere he wasn't and had trouble handling it.
:Susan was brought up in London and has the same problem Reddy has when she encounters a Tasmanian town in the off-season when everyone's at work indoors, school is in, and all is quiet in the streets. It's dead, she says. Go out into the street and cry rape I says and they'll be there in a flash.
[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 01:00, 7 March 2016 (EST)

::I think the Western World needs to cultivate family/friendships more and can learn from other cultures and previous time periods. There is too much loneliness in the West. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:38, 30 March 2016 (EDT)

== thanks ==

Thanks for extending the olive branch. Much appreciated.

You did a great job as far as that project you did for your wife. Lots of detail as far as the inside architecture/furnishings. I was impressed. Sorry I did not comment on this earlier. I was under the gun time wise at the time I got the pics. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:17, 26 March 2016 (EDT)

== You will rue the day! ==

When the proverbial dominoes start falling and the United States collapses, Western Civilization collapses and world's civilizations all collapse, you will rue the day that you removed the survivalism material from the [[Oregon]] article. :) That material was a beacon for mankind. :) Mankind's best hope for survival. :)

Aussie's think they sill be able to survive in the outback with their big Crocodile Dundee knives, but they are sadly mistaken!

"Be prepared". - Boy Scouts of America motto. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:00, 29 March 2016 (EDT)

:Ah Cons.
:Mate.
:"Be prepared" is the Boy Scouts' motto everywhere; not just for your mob.
:I am sure, old son, that TAR's message is spread wide amongst CP's pages and won't die because of the actions of one benighted liberal.
:Would you believe, ay... [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 00:01, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
::I was aware that scouting is an international movement and I suspected that all Boy Scouts use "Be prepared" as their motto.

::Second, TAR is American. By in large, CP's editor base does not know if he lives in a free state territory or unfree state territory or a mixture of the two due to travel. The editors of the User: Conservative account have not disclosed the locale/locales of the various editors who have used the account. Nor have they revealed their gender(s) or ages (And it is a well-know fact that moose hunting [[Sarah Palin]], a member of the religious right, has more machismo than most liberals). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:13, 30 March 2016 (EDT)

How bullwinklish thou art! Thy is. Um...hey wot.

−
:Wotever.... um

−
:I come from a generation (and a place) where rubbing two boy scouts together was considered a fine way to start a fire in the the sodden wilderness (and wilderness was sodden enow) but not in this modern PC age where one cannot allude to even one one boy scout, let alone two.

−
:BTW why is it that hunting a generally peaceable species of deer with a high powered rifle from a distance is considered a noble and brave thing to do? [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 03:35, 30 March 2016 (EDT)
::Don't ask me. I recently told someone that I am thinking of taking up bow hunting. It is more sporting. Do they still allow bow hunting in Australia? :)

::Next time there is a Muslim terrorists attack in Australia, the Australian citizen bow hunting brigade needs to take them out before the [http://www.afp.gov.au/policing/international-deployment-group/specialist-response-group Special Response Group] arrives. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:54, 30 March 2016 (EDT)

:::See //www.bowhunters.org.au
:::I have a personal dislike of hunting - likely caused by an episode in 1965 when I was mistaken for a crocodile. (I know I'm ugly but....) I went for a quiet swim after midnight during a camping weekend at a place called Edith Falls in the Top End of the Northern Territory. It was after midnight and so as not to wake the others I slid quietly into the water and side-stroked out from the moon-shadow of the pandanas. As soon as I was into the moonlight all hell broke loose. All that day, three blokes had sat across the waterhole from us - maybe 70 yards away - on folding chairs in front of a WW2 vintage Mack truck - drinking from stubbies and chatting. We had not noticed the rifles.
:::I was creased - burnt really - across the point of my left shoulder and a shot had penetrated the water enough to bruise my left hand.
:What those idiots thought they were shooting at was a fresh water croc called the Johnstone River Crocodile that frequents much of the far north of Australia. It is not a man-eater. It is too small. It rarely coexists with big brother salt water croc.
::[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 00:46, 31 March 2016 (EDT)
==TAR clean up==
Glad you are pitching in. Please consider [[User:JDano/TARlist]]. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 22:45, 1 April 2016 (EDT)
== Moved conversation as it does not relate to the Unattractiveness of atheism article ==

Cons: you will probably find that world wide interest in well-made dolls houses has not exactly flourished in recent years but they still exist. Like atheists, dolls house makers go about their work, alone but not lonely, happy in the knowledge of their worth to those who care.
Cheers ... [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 03:08, 11 April 2016 (EDT)
:AlanE, you didn't show why atheism is an attractive worldview and why it is not an unattractive worldview.

:Second, if you have data from respectable sources that refutes the [[Atheism and loneliness]] article, please present it. The article is well-sourced with nearly 100 footnotes from respectable sources and is backed by sound data. Right now, you are merely complaining about a sub-article that relates to it. By the way, the atheism and loneliness article is one of my more popular new articles. In about 16 months, it nearly has 10,000 page views.

:Thirdly, using the definition of atheism that encyclopedias of philosophy use, you are not an atheist (see: [[Definition of atheism]]). You are an agnostic.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:30, 11 April 2016 (EDT)

:::Ah mate...you tend not to be particularly good around metaphors. (Though that was not a particularly good one... obtuse might describe it.)
::Sometime during 1992 my wife prevailed upon me to make her a dolls house. Consequently I disappeared into my "shed" for a week or so and came out at the end of it with a dolls house. I can't remember the daily details of the project but do recall a day with sleet coming in horizontally and the shed stove roaring appropriately and Brahms turned right up when I made the staircase that connected the three floors. It's hard to explain so perhaps I can ask you to upload pictures I send you onto my user page.

:Why I mention this now was my realisation that the time I spent in my wind-battered shed that day with the roaring fire and the smell of wet beagle fighting the familiar scent of eucalyptus wood dust and (later) polyurethane was about the same expiration of time you have expended on your latest "atheism and" type project. After 24-odd years my work looks brand new.

::That's all, cobber. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 04:48, 11 April 2016 (EDT)

Oh! Forgot. Whatever monicker you want to put on what you think is my world view is all right with me. Just don't call me a poseur. You know I'm not. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 04:48, 11 April 2016 (EDT)
:::AlanE, I moved the conversation as it does not relate to the [[Unattractiveness of atheism]] article. At this time, I cannot continue the conversation as I have a busy day/week planned. Glad to hear that you built a nice doll house for your wife and you are happy with how it turned out. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:42, 11 April 2016 (EDT)

Cons, what it does relate to is the amount of time it took you to give us your latest spiel on atheism as a comparison with the time I spent making the staircase for the dolls house. We spent about the same time, you and I, on our respective endeavours - yours was to criticise: a knock down of something you disagree with. Mine was to create something of worth. Make of that as you will. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 00:53, 12 April 2016 (EDT)

:And if anyone wants to see what I am talking about: email me. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 00:53, 12 April 2016 (EDT)
::You can't lodge any legitimate criticism of what I wrote so you use this illegitimate roundabout tactic to show your displeasure instead.

::I have no desire to engage with an unreasonable critic. And I refuse to do so. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:08, 12 April 2016 (EDT)

:Sorry if I have upset you, Cons. I did not mean to. I suppose the start of this particular thing in my mind was your many hours - many edits - stream a week or two ago concerning Dawkins. It went on and on ...then stopped... then disappeared. To me it was a whole day wasted. That same day we had friends visit who asked to see the dolls house. As people do. I was asked how long it took to make the stairs. I said eight or nine hours not including the varnish.
:I thought about the hours you had spent on the Dawkins thing and tried to imagine how I would feel if my staircase had been "deleted". I couldn't. It didn't bear thinking about.
::So my actions today were brought about more from empathy than any personal negativity.
:[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 02:10, 12 April 2016 (EDT)
::This is a very bad week to try to have a discussion with me. Have some deadlines. Sorry if I was curt. Plus, I spent too much time on the TAR issue before.

::Also, I had some computer issues tonight that I resolved. I would have preferred to go to bed earlier tonight. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:21, 12 April 2016 (EDT)

==Re: Ban threat on my talk page==
Don't you make threats to me about getting me banned for reverting edits you made to articles, especially when those reverts I made were done in good faith in response to liberal bias on your part. [[:Category:Conservapedia Administrators|You're also not an administrator here either]], so you don't have that kind of power anyway. As for your claim against me "...and have realised you have no real understanding or knowledge of the words involved", don't presume to think you can say that when you yourself have no clue or understanding of what I understand or know when I know more than you realize. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 08:14, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
::AlanE and Northwest, for further incidents such as these, please use the talk pages on articles. As far as the [[bourgeois]] article, please see the commentary I made on the articles talk page.

::Thank you both for your efforts at this wiki. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:13, 13 April 2016 (EDT)
== Conservapedia's web traffic is up ==

Conservapedia is one of the top 100,000 websites in the world as far as web traffic according to the web traffic tracking company [[Alexa]],[http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/conservapedia.com]

I know we have locked horns in the past. But I am mellowing as a I get older. :) In addition, I am diversifying my interests so I think we will probably lock horns less in the future. No hard feelings on my part and I hope we lock horns less in the future.

Thank you for all your contributions.

I recently heard a report that Conservapedia is receiving millions of page views per month.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:08, 19 April 2016 (EDT)
==Thank you==
You are a true gentleman. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 23:49, 21 April 2016 (EDT)
:Thanks J. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 00:24, 22 April 2016 (EDT)

==Bot edits==
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==Bloody trolls==
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== Message to AlanE about a "South' article ==

I retitled the "South" article so now it is a [[The South]] article.

AlanE, if you want to create a "South" article you can. However, you will have to fix all the places where people link to the original South article. Here is a list: http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:WhatLinksHere/South [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:51, 18 November 2016 (EST)
== The two renditions of Christmas songs ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtPa5GyHWD0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtPa5GyHWD0

This blog post has wonderful Christmas songs embedded on it via YouTube: http://examiningatheism.blogspot.com/2016/11/atheist-dan-barker-president-of-freedom.html

Confidentially, I like 24 hour Christmas songs during holidays better than atheist talk show hosts. I am glad they pulled the plug on the atheist show. :)

I am a huge fan of Christmas songs. I could listen to them all year round and not get tired off them. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:21, 12 December 2016 (EST)

== Merry Christmas ==

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Thank you for all your contributions to Conservaoedia as far your web article content.

Merry Christmas! And have a happy New Year's Day. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:41, 24 December 2016 (EST)

Thanks Cons. and to you too, mate [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 21:21, 25 December 2016 (EST)
== Thanks! ==

You helped make [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/conservapedia.com THIS] happen.

I have never seen a non-profit website go from below 100,000 rank to nearly a 50,000 Alexa ranking in about a year. And Andy payed zero dollars for internet marketing services during this period.

Thank you for all your content contributions. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:43, 13 February 2017 (EST)
==Quick project==
Dear Alan:
Our state articles list the members of Congress from each state, but they have not be updated for 2016. If five editors could update 10 states each, we would be done quickly. Could you please take a look at [[Conservapedia:Community Portal#Political directory]]? No US expertise is required. Thanks in advance, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 16:16, 15 February 2017 (EST)
== A liberal is wanted for an online dialogue ==

A liberal is wanted to have a single online dialogue. Please let them know at http://opposing-views.org/ if you are interested. I am not sure if you are a liberal, but I thought I would give it a shot. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:20, 29 March 2017 (EDT)
:Here is their contact page: http://opposing-views.org/contact/ [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:26, 29 March 2017 (EDT)
::I won't join the "dialogue" but thanks all the same, Cons. I don't go near modern American culture, politics etc.,
:::Except for... Music. That's another matter. You want 2 or 300 words on a not particularly well known Harold Arlen song and I'm your man. (Just don't ask for citations.) :)
::Oh! And thanks for querying my "liberality". [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 20:24, 31 March 2017 (EDT)
:::OK. Thanks for promptly letting me know your decision. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:54, 31 March 2017 (EDT)

== IRC ==

Hello, 
After some discussion (on [[User_talk:DavidB4#Conservapedia_IRC_channel|my talk page]] and [[User_talk:Aschlafly#IRC|Andy's]]) it has been decided that I start an [[Internet Relay Chat]] channel for Conservapedia, since our old one has been dead since 2009. It is now registered and somewhat set up. I don't know if you use IRC or are interested in doing so, but anyone with block privileges on Conservapedia can also get block privileges on the new IRC channel. Unfortunately, IRC accounts are deleted after 30 days of being unused, so unless you plan on using the IRC at least once a month, there is probably not much point in registering. In any case, feel free to try it out--if you account gets deleted, we can always make another one later. If you are interested, please let me know! 
The IRC channel is: #conservapedia @irc.accessIRC.net 
Let me know if you have any questions or need anything else, also! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:41, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

== Nice being here ==

I'm leaving now, but it's been nice meeting everyone here. Keep up the good work expanding the wiki - honestly, we don't even have an article for Hoagy Carmichael. What kind of site is this? And what idiot thought it was more important to write one for "Buttons and Bows," than for "Over There," or ''Porgy and Bess''? This idiot, who's about to end that.

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==User:PetyrB has been blocked ==

User:PetyrB has been blocked. He was Markman. It will be much harder for him to give a repeat performance. And if he manages to give a repeat performance, it will be very short lived. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:14, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
:He blocked everyone except me. I feel left out. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 22:23, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
::I wasn't blocked either. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 22:58, 7 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I notice that he blocked you three times last year. Perhaps he's mellowed. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 00:09, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

Becoming an editor of good standing may become harder for someone like him, but I fear that it will be next to impossible for an honest newcomer! Without a strong motivation (for me, it is the my outrage about the disservice the CBP does to the Bible - and a bewilderment when reading about physics), you won't have the dedication to overcome the obstacles into which you are running here at Conservapedia: It took me quite an effort to find a way to appeal my first blocks!

It's at Catch-22 situation: If you make errors - as any newbie will do - you get blocked, and most probably just quit. Newcomers who don't make errors are most probably reincarnations who learned the ropes in a couple of earlier lives. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:41, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

== Short note ==

If you ever get banned again, let me know at [[User:Conservative/mail|HERE]] and I will unblock you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:57, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
:If he is blocked he will not be able to notify you. He will have been blocked surely? There really does need to be a better way to contact admins here in the case of parodists like markman blocking people imo. [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 14:27, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::He can create another user account solely for the purpose of contacting me at another IP address.
:::Ok, I will remember that in case markman comes back. He previously banned me several times as well [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 14:41, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::::Fine, just be patient. I am not sure how often the mailbox will be checked, but it will definitely be checked from time to time. And you can always contact other admins too. It makes sense to mitigate any damage caused by a rogue blocker whose blocking privileges are short lived. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:50, 11 July 2014 (EDT)
::From the Conservapedia commandments page: "Administrators have discretion to act on matters not specifically mentioned here, such as vandalism and sockpuppets."[http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Commandments] Common sense discretion can be exercised by Conservapedia administrators. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:39, 11 July 2014 (EDT)

==''Has hope he will be more amiable should he return''==

User:Conservative, you blocked me arbitrarily for three days ("''needlessly being quarrelsome''"), and then you unblocked me, equally arbitrarily. Are you really thinking that this leads to ''amiability''? No, it stirred my curiosity. I reread our exchange at [[Talk:Generalized linear model]] and digged a little deeper into the matters discussed:

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''content created by User:Conservative User:AugustO and subject to Conservapedia's copyright policy''
Why was this page deleted? From my personal files:
:AugustO, I thought you were merely whining. You said you wanted the article improved, yet were unwilling to do the work to improve it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:42, 23 July 2014 (EDT)
::How does your petty insult ("whining") justify the deletion of this talk page? Below I showed my willingness to improve the sorry state of this article by collaborating with you! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:46, 24 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I may write articles on [[Correlation and dependence]] and [[Spearman's rank correlation coefficient]] and [[Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient]] in the future. By the way, [[Vox Day]] wrote an interesting article entitled [http://voxday.blogspot.ca/2014/02/statistical-misleadings.html Statistical misleadings]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:51, 24 July 2014 (EDT)

*"I may write articles on [[Correlation and dependence]] and [[Spearman's rank correlation coefficient]] and [[Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient]] in the future." Given your history of announcements (Project 200+, Question Evolution brochure for high-school-pupils, etc.), I'll be very surprised when this happens!
*Regina Nuzzo's [http://www.nature.com/news/scientific-method-statistical-errors-1.14700 "Scientific method: Statistical errors"] is indeed an interesting article.
*Still no explanation for the deletion.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:34, 24 July 2014 (EDT)
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While you still haven't answer my question about the deletion of the talk-page, I came to the conclusion that my mentioning of the ''Question evolution! book for middle school students'' triggered the deletion of the revisions and my block. You seem to be on an Orwellian campaign to erase this book from memory, a campaign which bodes ill for the trustworthiness of Conservapedia. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:42, 27 July 2014 (EDT)

This is too complicated for an outsider to follow. The important point is that AugustO, who earned the respect of many CP editors is back, and I welcome his contributions. I hope that we can all learn to live together in content-creation-harmony. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 19:38, 27 July 2014 (EDT)

:Harmony is important, but honesty, too - especially at a ''trustworthy encyclopedia''. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:45, 27 July 2014 (EDT)

== Project ==

Would you like to collaborate with other editors on a wiki project to help Conservapedia be a strong resource for a given topic.

The topic could be decided by the editors participating.

If you are interested, please go to: [http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal#A_project_for_active_editors_to_collaborate_on The collaborative project]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:02, 25 December 2014 (EST)

:I'm a little surprised by this "project". A wiki should ''per se'' be a collaborative project: I tend to jump on subjects which pique my interest (without an additional layer of administration.) Major obstacles for collaboration on Conservapedia's articles are for me:
:*Some sysops think they own certain articles, and will keep up their preferred version without engaging in a meaningful discussion on the talk-page (see e.g., [[E=mc²]]). Some sysops even prevent editing of their pet articles by locking them - I think that you, User:Conservative, are the main culprit when it comes to this tactic!
:*Collaboration prerequisites a certain degree of maturity and honesty. You, User:Conservative, don't have at least one of these characteristics: for example, the "we are many" - charade is just infantile. And how do I know that you won't create new dummy accounts to manipulate discussions? You haven't come clean about [[User:Historybuff]], therefore I don't know whether you will take such crooked steps again.
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:11, 28 December 2014 (EST)
::Are you claiming that merely one person is editing using the User: Conservative account? If so, considering your insistence that merely one person is editing using the account, what proof and evidence do you have for this claim? Your little tirade here is not impressive. Also, if you are such a big fan of collaboration, why can't the totality of "User: Conservative"'s edits be a team effort? If "User:Conservative" allows a conservative friend or friends to also use the account, what is that to you? None of the Conservapedia Commandments forbids the sharing of an account.

::Next, a very small percentage of my/our articles are locked in terms of editing them.

::Furthermore, the Conservapedia wiki article protect tab was created to be used! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:12, 31 December 2014 (EST)

:::It's just common sense:
:::*If you are many, your ''manual of style'' must be epic: your way of writing is quite unique. Furthermore, it is quite inconceivable that there is more than one editor who shows such a consistent inability to use the preview button (''it was created to be used'').
:::*In your interactions with your fellow sysops, you are treated as a single person.
:::*Your medical history: every time you excuse your actions with a lack of sleep, etc., it is the story of a single person.
:::Hey, it is the internet: You could be a group of medically enhanced Rottweilers, and until your account is closed by your local dog-catcher, we cannot be sure... But for me, you failed the [[Turing test]] on multi-personality.
:::All of the above is not very important: what counts is that you (and your friends/sysops) know how many you are. You know whether you wish to try to deceive your fellow editors.
:::It is the same as with your dummy account of [[User:Historybuff]]: you know whether you acted immorally. For me, it just seems so - and in the internet, appearance is quite important, as we are not able to prove much.
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:40, 31 December 2014 (EST)
AugustO, as far as the inconceivability of User: Conservative being multiple editors, your lack of imagination and [http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html germanic stubbornness] is not a serious objection.

Second, how would you know if one person or persons using the User: Conservative was using the preview button? Have you done an analysis of the edits concerning this matter? How would you know if persons using the User: Conservative do not use the preview account? How would you know the reason or reasons why "User: Conservativedom" sometimes does not use the preview button?

"User: Conservative" has edited during the day and night. And the illness affecting one of the editors of the User: Conservative account has largely been conquered. For example, a full eight hours of sleep occurred today for the person affected.

Do you believe that one person largely wrote the [[homosexuality]] and the [[Atheist actions against homosexuals]] article (the title of the article was originally Atheist persecution against homosexuals" if memory serves, but one editor within "User: Conservativedom" objected to this title) and that one person wrote both articles. The article [[Atheist actions against homosexuals]] was a shock to those obsessed with the User: Conservative account and the footnoting style is different than the [[homosexuality]] article as well. What are your thoughts on this matter?

Have you read C.S. Lewis's article entitled [http://textualcriticism.scienceontheweb.net/SUPLEM/CSLewis.html Modern Theology and Biblical Criticism]? It should give you pause on psychologically analyzing a writer/writers and his/her/their intentions, etc. etc.

Why don't you ask User: Karajou if User: Conservative is merely one editor? We can guarantee you that User: Karajou will not claim that User: Conservative is merely one editor. Why? Because User: Karajou was informed that more than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account. And User: Karajou has checkuser and could certainly verify this matter.

In addition, we know you were successfully rebuffed about the "historybuff" matter and that you most certainly do not have the moral high ground. You did not prove the identity/identities of the mysterious historybuff. And you acknowledged (after you shown to be acting in an unbecoming manner) that no Conservapedia rule was broken if a person using the historybuff account was an Conservapedia admin (Of course, the same would apply if persons using the account were admins) so you failed again!

Furthermore, has the User: Conservative account edited the [[Sun Tzu]] article? If so, then at least one editor with User: Conservativedom understands the strategy/tactic of stealth and keeping the opposition guessing (User: Conservativedom does not agree with all of Sun Tzu's actions/writings by the way). And we know that the left/liberals such as Alinsky use the tactic of attacking individuals before attacking institutions/groups (Rule #12 of [http://www.bestofbeck.com/wp/activism/saul-alinskys-12-rules-for-radicals Alinsky's rules for radicals]). But, User: Conservative is more than one editor! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:04, 31 December 2014 (EST)
:By the way, German evolutionists did not think that American creationists would land on the beaches of Normandy. But that is exactly what happened!!! (And [[Dwight D. Eisenhower|Dwight D. Eisenhower]] appears to have been a creationist [http://www.icr.org/article/presidential-support-for-creationism/]).

::''"We can guarantee you that User: Karajou will not claim that User: Conservative is merely one editor. Why? Because User: Karajou was informed that more than one person has edited using the User: Conservative account."''
::When did this happen? In the first months of your membership? I doubt it, as it seems unlikely that Andy would bestow such extensive rights as "checkuser" and "administrator" on a communal account.
::Even when I started editing in 2011, you hadn't come out as a multitude, that happened during the last one or two years. So, assuming that there is more than one user at your account, he/she/them were invited to do so somewhat after 2011. Am I right?
::This is quite troubling: your weren't even able to lobby for upload-rights for [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] until now, but you gave some person access to "checkuser", "administrator" and "oversight" rights! Either this person never had an account here at Conservapedia, or it had an account before, but wasn't seen worthy to get these rights which you decided to share.
::I would call this ''nepotism'', and it is impossible to square it with Conservapedia's claim of being a ''meritocracy'':
::::'''''Conservapedia is a meritocracy. Administrators are selected as needed from the best of the best contributors, there is no popularity contest to determine promotion, and nominations not accepted. By your own work shall you be known. '''''
::But that is just a [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|guideline]] - and you are not so awfully keen of them, like:
::::'''''Conservapedia does not allow "sockpuppet" accounts or unaccountable anonymous proxy use. '''''
::''In addition, we know you were successfully rebuffed about the "historybuff" matter and that you most certainly do not have the moral high ground. You did not prove the identity/identities of the mysterious historybuff. And you acknowledged (after you shown to be acting in an unbecoming manner) that no Conservapedia rule was broken if a person using the historybuff account was an Conservapedia admin (Of course, the same would apply if persons using the account were admins) so you failed again! ''
::You were [[User:Historybuff]]. The little incident of your intermingled comments at the main talk page made this obvious. [[User:Karajou]] could prove it. Thereby '''you broke a rule (or do you claim that it is just a ''guideline'' and doesn't apply to you?)'''
::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:39, 2 January 2015 (EST)
:::Why are you assuming that User: Conservative may be merely two persons? Why not more?

:::The User: Conservative account will continue to be shrouded in mystery to you - a black box of conservatism!

:::As far as the meritocracy issue, the User: Conservative account produces articles that are useful and of interest to the public, well-researched, accurate and scrupulously footnoted. The articles are some of the most popular articles at Conservapedia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:27, 2 January 2015 (EST)

::::*The problems which I mentioned above just increase if there are more than two editors
::::*So, you decided what merits being "administrator" or having "checkuser" rights? Isn't that the kind of ''nomination'' which is explicitly frowned upon in the guidelines?
::::*How many socks are there for your account? I repeat, running User:Historybuff was against Conservapedia's guidelines, and the smokescreen which you put up here won't change this fact.
::::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:19, 2 January 2015 (EST)
高深莫測 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:29, 2 January 2015 (EST)
:There is nothing ''inscrutable'' (?) about it. You are just unwilling to take responsibility for your actions. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 01:53, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::The User: Conservative account was given admin status before the guidelines page was created. The puts a spanner in your germanic stubbornness, your germanic argumentativeness and your germanic obsession with tradition/rules, Herr O![http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html] Secondly, Conservapedia's policies/rules were not broken. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:10, 3 January 2015 (EST)

:::You created your sock [[User:Historybuff]] on Aug 2, 2014, violating the guideline which is in place since years:
::::'''''Conservapedia does not allow "sockpuppet" accounts or unaccountable anonymous proxy use. '''''
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 02:54, 3 January 2015 (EST)
First socks, then shoes. Have you ever examined Conservapedia's logo? In America, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. You never demonstrated that an editor (or editors) of the User: Conservative account edited using the historybuff account.

Second, the point is moot as the former Admin Rob Smith made an appellation to a guideline which affects matters as can be seen [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Sockpuppet&diff=892529&oldid=890286 HERE]. And Admin Joaquin Martinez has edited Conservapedia using various accounts and Aschlafly has never once expressed displeasure about this matter. So your quest to prevail in this matter is futile. It is quite impossible that a guideline was broken in this matter!

Feel free to engage in [[last wordism]] at juncture. :)[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:09, 3 January 2015 (EST)

:*Do you deny that [[User:Historybuff]] was your sock?
:*Joaquín Martínez doesn't try to hide his identity by using various accounts.
:*I stick to the commandments and guidelines, thank you.
:Feel free to run away. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:15, 3 January 2015 (EST)
::AugustO, you remind me of the person who became upset with me when I performed the en passant move in a chess game and captured his pawn. He was not familiar with the en passant rule and claimed a rule was being broken by me. Prove your allegation and ignorance of Conservapedia's rules is no excuse. Checkmate, Herr O!!! Once again, you battled against the User: Conservative account and was easily and effortlessly defeated! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:32, 3 January 2015 (EST)
:::At least you admit that [[User:Historybuff]] was your pawn. Using it was just not a ''clever move'', but an act of deceit. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:37, 3 January 2015 (EST)
No admission was made. Prove your allegation and know the rules before you claim a rule was broken! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:41, 3 January 2015 (EST)

== Happy New Year ==

The editors of the User: Conservative account wish you a happy new year. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:06, 2 January 2015 (EST)
==Unblock==
Dear AugustO,
Thank you for unblocking me. At the same time, TAR also blocked my IP address. If you have access to the block log, could you please unblock that IP as well? Many thanks. Cheers, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 15:59, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 17:43, 11 January 2015 (EST)
:: "Cheers?" I lived and worked in England and France for 4 years. I very rarely hear Americans say "Cheers". In my limited experience, usually Brits and Australians say it. You Wschact have said it a lot here on CP. Of course, nothing at all wrong with having British or Australian editors here -- on the contrary, the diversity is wonderful. However, you perhaps being from one of those two rather liberal [[gun free zone]] countries would explain your frequent anti-American [[liberal bias]] in your frequent deletions of strong conservative American and especially firearms/Second Amendment related materials. Now it makes more sense. When I lived over there I frequently heard [[NRA]] Second Amendment bashing. I guess you and other self-described, so-called "moderate" ([[RINO]] or actual [[liberal]]) [[gun control|anti-self defense]] CP editors perhaps have never seen this flyer. Please examine this [[World War II]] flyer: https://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/b4/c5/b4c52576c5d83bde287c5f26a41b9ba5.jpg?itok=wQk-jVj6
::http://www.examiner.com/article/would-you-send-a-gun-to-defend-a-british-home

::Perhaps [[User:Conservative]], Karajou or JPatt, when you get a chance would please upload this picture to CP under the file name "Send a gun to defend a British home.jpg"? I would like to use it in both an article and an Pro Second Amendment essay such as [[Essay:France Pays Dearly - Liberal Gun Control Laws and Gun Free Zones that Welcome Terrorists]]. Some of my essays ([[Conservapedia:Essays#Firearms_and_the_Second_Amendment]]) will be good conservative American Patriot "[[Essay:Sheepdogs_for_the_sheeple|sheepdog]]" responses to AugustO and Wshacts deletion of Second Amendment, Tenth Amendment States' rights and other firearms related conservative content. Thanks.
::[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 09:38, 13 January 2015 (EST)

:::If you wish to talk with [[User:Wschact]] about your time in England, perhaps you should unblock him... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:31, 13 January 2015 (EST)

== On cats and lives ==

[[User:Conservative]], please stand by your threats:
A cat only has so many lives. I think you are on your 8th. But in all of the excitement lately, maybe its your 9th. Do you fell lucky? Don't count on me bailing you out if you go against Karajou and TheAmericanRedoubt. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:10, 13 January 2015 (EST)
Well, [[User:Conservative]], I don't intend to "go against Karajou and TheAmericanRedoubt". But if anything happens to my current live, I just hope that you will do the right thing - one can dream. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:30, 13 January 2015 (EST)
:Glad to hear. Good faith editors should not be pestered. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:20, 14 January 2015 (EST)
::I promise to do the right thing. If you are blocked unfairly, I will unblock you.

::Second, have you seen [http://www.iwebtool.com/alexa_traffic_rank?domain=creation.com&data=p&range=2y THIS]? It looks like 2015 could easily be the WORST year in the history of Darwinism! 2014 was a TERRIBLE year for evolutionism.

::Who knows what surprises [[Creation Ministries International]] and the [[Discovery Institute]] will unleash on Darwinism in 2015?!!!![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:17, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:::''"I promise to do the right thing. If you are blocked unfairly, I will unblock you."'' I couldn't ask for more. Unfortunately, our view about unfair blocks differ: I think that my last block - two days for reinserting a section to [[User talk:Aschlafly]] (because ''A talk page is a user's castle!'') - was unfair, seen that deleting [[User talk:SamHB]] against the explicit wishes of the user stayed unsanctioned: see [[User_talk:Aschlafly#Deuteronomy_25:13-15]] --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 10:05, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::::You carp about others breaking rule or supposedly breaking rules. You are not above the rules! As a German, one would think you would thank me for my germanic insistence that you obey the rules also! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:18, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:::::I'm sure that I'll be admonished every time I break a rule or violate a guideline of this site! What about you? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:22, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::::::I don't detect a thankfulness for my correction. You still have a rebellious spirit! :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:36, 15 January 2015 (EST)

===In 19 Months AugustO submits 2 New 1 Paragraph Articles, 13 New Talk Pages; in 2 weeks 83 Related to TheAmericanRedoubt===
Since the 22nd of May 2013 ([[Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=AugustO]]) Mr. O has written 2 new 1 paragraph long articles: [[Sleswick-Holsatia]] and [[Ceslas Spicq]]. Also 1 new redirect page "article" ([[Amu]]). He has created 13 new Talk Page articles. 83 of his edits in only 2 weeks have been of my work or related to my work.
Perhaps he might want to please consider paying more attention to this [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#90.2F10_Rule]] instead of to every detail of my numerous new article and essay contributions.
The gentleman "doth protest too much, methinks". :-)
[[Patience]] is a [[virtue]] Mr. O seem to be still attempting to master.
[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 18:08, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:Yes, I'm annoyed, too, by the effort it takes to get you to make the slightest corrections, like: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor&curid=2830&diff=1132468&oldid=1132467 the category at Attack on Pearl Harbor]. You are still producing a plethora of red links - though you have promised otherwise - and I won't ignore this. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:19, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:: I just now gave temporary 1 day block since he is ignoring numerous advice from Admin [[User:Conservative]] and continues to violate the 90/10 rule. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 18:25, 15 January 2015 (EST)

----
Well, [[User:Conservative]], time to think what the right thing to do is... Will you support this abuse of the 90/10 rule? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:34, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:I receive a report that you are blocking the good faith efforts of someone who wants to create content.

:I think you are on your way to having your blocking rights removed. If that happens, a long block against you could last quite a long time. Due to my reduced activity level, I might not even notice if you are blocked for some time even if I was going to undo the block.

:I have some projects I am tackling plus I expect to be tacking two more soon so I need to catch up on things. I had an accident happen to me recently and was temporarily injured which set me behind on things. But I recovered recently so I am moving forward. So I told the editor that I cannot referee this one and to refer the matter to Karajou. Try not to pick any unnecessary fights with other editors. That is my advice. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:15, 15 January 2015 (EST)

::So, you would always do the right thing, if not all members of your collective were to busy... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:23, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::(EC) Sorry to hear about your accident, I wish you a speedy recovery! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:25, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:::Thanks on wishes for a recovery.

:::Second, User: ConservativeS (plural) fought an ideological [http://www.thefreedictionary.com/delaying+action delaying action] as far as evangelical/militant atheism caused by the fad of [[New Atheism]], but as you can see [http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=atheist%2C%20atheism%2C%20New%20atheism%2C%20richard%20dawkins&cmpt=q&tz= HERE] and the articles [[global atheism|decline of global atheism]] and [[atheist movement|decline of the atheist movement]], the cavalry of Christian apologists, atheists shooting themselves in the foot and circumstances has arrived!!!

:::To a large degree, our work is done. Like the proverbial and mysterious, [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068699/ high plains drifter/gunslinger], we will be less active and largely ride off into the sunset. :) It's time to tackle new challenges. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:09, 15 January 2015 (EST)

@AugustO: I would recommend that you accept what Conservapedia has become, and stop trying to change that. You are in great danger. User TAR, who doesn't seem to be well-versed in how this place operates, has been making extremely thinly-veiled threats against you, with the reference to 8 lives or whatever. A phrase that he seems to have picked up from Cons. Stay away. That's what I'm doing.

@Cons: (1) You might want to remind TAR that a few days ago he made an edit with the word "insidious" in the comment, referring to what he was reverting. You might want to remind him that people have gotten into a lot of trouble for using inflammatory words in edit comments. Like "hideous", if I recall correctly. (2) Perhaps you ought to be careful about saying that your work is done and that you might "ride off into the sunset" and "tackle new challenges". Someone might come along and delete your user and talk pages :-) :-) :-).

@both of you: I was delighted to see you two having a conversation on my talk page recently, and I have joined in the conversation. Feel free to come and visit me. I can't really go "outside" when my home state is described as treasonous, so I have to stay at home. I get lonely at times.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:21, 15 January 2015 (EST)

:I'm aware of the - rather unveiled - threads, both by [[User:Conservative]] and [[User:TheAmericanRecoubt]]. Conservapedia stands at a croosroad at this moment, and for me, it is just irresponsible not to show the pitfalls of the way which is likely to be chosen.... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:34, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::AugustO, if you get blocked by someone, don't count on me to look into the matter or to notice. I am less active on the wiki now and plan on being less active as well.

::In addition, lately you have become so petty and contentious, I cannot say it would trouble me if you no longer edited the wiki. No hard feelings, but that's just the way it is. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:26, 16 January 2015 (EST)

== FFAF is not a sock account ==

FFAF is not a sock account. Didn't the Facebook category tag for [[Freedom from Atheism Foundation]] which I removed tell you that it was not a sock? I don't think Aschalfly account will be creating a Facebook category tag anytime soon. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:23, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:*How did [[User:Karajou]] deduce that it is in fact a sock-account? He has "checkuser"-rights, hasn't he?
:*You pride yourself with stealth and subterfuge, therefore I cannot take the things you say at face value. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:57, 14 January 2015 (EST)
::Stealth is not telling untruths. A stealth fighter pilot is not lying to the radar operators of an opposing country. :)

::Karajou probably blocked the person because there was overlap with another person using the same IP for some reason.

::Third, people often think reciprocity is deserved when they do something for others. The Freedom from Atheism Foundation (FFAF) has plugged several CP atheism articles. So it is natural that someone would create an article on their foundation at CP. Given that CP covers the atheism topic with some depth, a volunteer/fan of theirs adding an article on FFAF is not unreasonable. Social media plays a significant role in social movements and they have a notable and growing social media presence. They are also financially backed by a large foundation I have been told. Furthermore, they are taking steps to grow into a much larger organization. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:31, 14 January 2015 (EST)

:::August0 why do you say that I am a 'sock' of Conservative ? I don't even know that that means ? [[User:FFAF|FFAF]] 09:37, 15 January 2015 (EST)
::::A sock is a sockpuppet. A sockpuppet is a duplicate user account. Don't worry about it. I am an admin and I straightened out the misunderstanding. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:33, 15 January 2015 (EST)
:::::This is indeed troubling. If FFAF is unduly blocked, Conservative may not notice due to time/commitments and having largely ridden off into the sunset like the Lone/Many Ranger(s). Then who will revert FFAF's unfair block? Perhaps one of the other admins should keep a particular eye out for FFAF being harassed or blocked. Incidentally, I have changed a section heading in [[Essay:Worst Liberal Movies]]. Somebody please check it; I believe it is an improvement as mentioned in [[Talk:Essay:Worst Liberal Movies]]. :) [[User:ConsMovies|ConsMovies]] 09:56, 20 January 2015 (EST)

== My Approach to the Categorization Problem ==

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Here is what I'll do when I encounter nonsensical categories:
*I will delete them - once.
*I will explain the deletion on the talk-page.
If the categories are reintroduced, so be it.

In this case, I deleted [[:Category : Science Fiction]] (already covered by [[:Category:Science Fiction Authors]]), [[:Category : Dystopian Fiction]] (covered by [[:Category : Dystopian Fiction Authors]], and [[:Category : Libertarianism]] (covered by [[:Category : Libertarian Authors]]). --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:41, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:Enjoy your preoccupation with category tags and your blocking powers while you can. Because they are both coming to an end! You were warned Category Tag Nazi! Your blitzkreig of category tag complaints will soon be kaput! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:00, 16 January 2015 (EST)
::[[User:Conservative]], you are insulting me. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:04, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:::You are being inhospitable to new editors and needlessly contentious. I have had it. I asked the owner of the website to strip you of your blocking powers. I believe Karajou agrees with me on this matter. I am not going to discuss this matter with you anymore because it is obvious that I am talking to a brick wall. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:32, 16 January 2015 (EST)

It will be very ironic to be punished for something which should be so uncontroversial as the first rule of categorization: ''nothing should be [in]* a category and [at the same time in]* one of its (direct) super/sub-categories.'' Andy often emphasizes the importance of logic for this site, so it is very surprising that he'll enforce (as you, [[User:Conservative]] imply) illogical categorization!

It is really not rocket-science: R. Heinlein was an author who wrote science-fiction - thereby he belongs into [[:category:Science Fiction Authors]]. He doesn't belong into [[:category:Science Fiction]], as any reader who looks at [[:category:Science Fiction]] will be surprised that he obviously doesn't fit in a subcategory....

OTOH [[:category:Best Selling Authors]] should not be a sub-category of [[:category:Science Fiction Authors]] (as it is now), as it includes authors like Glenn Beck and Agatha Christie... [[:category:Best Selling Authors]] is also at the moment a sub-category of [[:category:Liberal Authors]], implying that all best sellers are written by liberals...

New editors should understand logic, too! So, please, show a little bit more logic, and a little less aggression. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:34, 16 January 2015 (EST)
:Don't think listing someone as an "African" and a "African author" or a "conservative" and "conservative author" is the end of the world. This is especially true for small categories. I abridged the manual of style. Wsacht's endless fussing which sometimes was petty was tiresome. So is yours. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:54, 16 January 2015 (EST)</div>
(*: edited for clarification)

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:42, 17 January 2015 (EST)
== Biblical creationism will be strong in 2015 ==

See: [[Essay: Biblical creationism will be strong in 2015]].

Stronger, higher, faster! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:46, 17 January 2015 (EST)

:Hey, another prediction! Go, Team Conservative! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:43, 18 January 2015 (EST)

== Jawohl? ==

Some German character traits mentioned by the the Schnitzel Republic: Stubbornness, efficiency/economical and constructive creativeness.[http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html]

[[Essay: What if I fail?]]

There is a little bit of German in every great champion? Jawohl? :)

You will do your category tags right. We must have order! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:34, 20 January 2015 (EST)

:One of the most childish comments I've read on Conservapeida. Shouldn't an administrator of Conservapedia, someone who represents this site, stand above mocking ordinary editors? Not everything can be excused by your relative youth: you are a member of this site for nearly eight years - so, even if you have started as a high-school pupil, you should have finished college by now. Start to act the part!

:I haven't read your essay yet: is it about failed predictions? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:11, 20 January 2015 (EST)
::What failed predictions? Could you be more specific? We both know that you cannot! Define the word "soon" taking into account Christian patience and persistence and not worldly impatience! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:31, 20 January 2015 (EST)
:::You are sounding like Bill Clinton: "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is". --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:36, 20 January 2015 (EST)

:::From the [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soon Merriam Webster]:

:::{|
|<div style="margin: 10px; padding: 10px; background-color: lightgreen">
#''obsolete'': at once : immediately
#without undue time lapse : before long [soon after sunrise]
#in a prompt manner : speedily [as soon as possible] [the sooner the better] [no sooner said than done]
#''archaic'' : before the usual time
#''in agreement with one's choice or preference'': willingly [I'd just as soon walk as drive]
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|}
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:47, 20 January 2015 (EST)
Feel free to demonstrate there has been a undue time lapse. Something you have never done! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:57, 20 January 2015 (EST)

=== The ''Question evolution! campaign booklet'' Saga ===

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|50 page Question Evolution! booklet. Question Evolution! Campaign runaway train is going to be released
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120215050509/http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page Feb 15, 2012]
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|A Question evolution! campaign group now has 3 writers and at least 3 Question Evolution! booklets/books will be coming out. Some of the booklets/books will be designed for young people.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120501184006/http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page May 1, 2012]
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|A 15 questions for evolutionists booklet and book for middle school students will soon be coming out and they are going to be heavily promoted and distributed.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120619134057/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jun 19,2012]
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|SS Evolution! passengers get on your life jackets! A barrage of 100+ page Question evolution! campaign booklet torpedoes is headed your way!
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20120919002949/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Sep 19, 2012]
|-
|The Question evolution! book for middle school students, edited by a Christian apologist, gains in popularity.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20130711205854/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jul 11, 2013]
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|Canadian teacher at a Christian school will be serving as a science editor of the Question evolution! campaign book for middle school students.
|[http://web.archive.org/web/20130718204401/http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page Jul 18, 2013]
|}

'''Three years ago''': ''the booklet is going to be released'', '''two and a half year ago''': ''it will soon be coming out'', '''two years ago''': ''it is headed your way!'', '''one and a half year ago''': ''it gains in popularity''. Yeah, that's an "''undue time lapse''", as nothing has happened!

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:08, 20 January 2015 (EST)
: A few things:

:First an excerpt from some writer: "It’s taken almost five more years of hard work, and plenty of rejection, to get to the point where I’m happy to let something mellow in a drawer for a while before sending it out, or where I can stand the (admittedly) long wait times it takes to hear back from literary journals."[http://goinswriter.com/patience/] Another excerpt from a writer: "My CP [critique partner] wrote and worked and studied for TEN YEARS before getting published."[http://www.charissaweaks.com/2013/06/a-writers-most-important-lesson-patience.html] Good writing takes time. Next time you feel yourself being impatient about various announcements of events happening soon, see it as an exercise in patience. It would also be helpful, if you had something to pass the time. Why don't you work on providing satisfactory answers to the [http://creation.com/15-questions 15 questions for evolutions]. That is something you never did!

:We have been sparring about creation/evolution and wiki matters for awhile. I thought my recent post which featured a post from blog which focuses on German culture/Germany was funny and so did my friend who is of German descent. You did not find it humorous. Given your recent bout of ill humor and my recent schedule demands, I think it is best if I largely take a break from sparring with you on talk pages. No hard feelings on my part. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:43, 20 January 2015 (EST)

First, let me say what a pleasure it is to visit once agin with my favorite two people, this time in August's house. The view from your front window is specactular, and your music collection is most impressive. (I'd like to meet in Cons's house next time, but he keeps it locked. He has a front entryway, but he keeps burning it down.)

Now Cons, I'd like to talk to you about offensive national stereotypes. This is serious, and I'd like you to pay attention. Really. I apologize if this comes across as mindless "political correctness", but I'm serious.

I spent a fair amount of time this morning reading a number of web pages and other sources about what "wohl" and "Ja wohl" really mean. It's a very complicated and nuanced word. Google translate says "well", in the health sense, along with "probably", "perhaps", "possibly", etc. The Harper-Collins ''German Concise Dictionary'' (it's anything but concise!) lists it as a "Schlüsselwort" (key word, important word) and gives many meanings, including "comfortable" and "at ease", along with a great number of idioms, such as "er weiß das sehr wohl" -- "he knows that perfectly well". (But they've gotten rid of the "ß", haven't they?) The combination "Ja wohl" means "yes emphatically" or "yes certainly". As a response to a request it begins to take on the meaning that you seem to ascribe to it, from watching ''Hogan's Heros'' and various other silly World War II things: "Yes, sir!" or "I'll do it right away!"

There are web pages that go into detail about its "Yes, sir!" meaning in the military, and the fact that many Americans associate that with the Nazi era.

I've read the "Schnitzelrepublic" web page. It was well-written, light-hearted, and affectionate. But I don't think you have used the term in a light-hearted way with AugustO. Please remember that people can easily be offended by thoughtless national stereotypes, especially when those stereotypes are informed by a ''Hogan's Heros'' mentality. And please remember that the Nazi era was not a pleasant time, for Germany or anyone else, and try to make more erudite (love that word!) and well-thought-out comments.

That said, I'm sure AugustO is very efficient. :-)

Now you two can go back to fighting over what "soon" means, especially in the context of saying just when a booklet will be coming out. Three years is a long time to wait, but I'm sure it will be worth the wait. Idea: Cons, why don't you promise not to block either of us until the booklet comes out?

One more thing: August: can you send me a usable email address? I will not divulge it to anyone else without your permission. My email is at the top of my user page.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:52, 21 January 2015 (EST)
::::''Hi - A[...] O[...] --EOM'' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:08, 21 January 2015 (EST)
::I think we're all glad to hear that the RMS ''Creationist'' is plowing full-steam ahead into the iceberg of Darwinism.--[[User:DonnyC|DonnyC]] 22:44, 20 January 2015 (EST)
:::That literally made me laugh out loud, something which the internet rarely accomplishes. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:52, 21 January 2015 (EST)

'''@User:Conservative:''' Interesting quotes. I'm missing the part where they are telling you ''oh, you must announce your book first, and then start to write it!'' BTW: I don't see your announcements as ''exercises in patience'', I see them as ''misleading advertising''. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 08:16, 21 January 2015 (EST)

== Speaking of predictions ==

Looking at Recent Changes this morning, I saw that JoeyJ has deleted a very interesting talk page. (The corresponding article page had been deleted by AddisonDM a few years earlier.)

The pages are
:*[[User:Conservative/Gentlemen-the-anti-evolution-D-Days-are-going-to-be-happening-the-first-quarter-of-the-calendar-year-of-2009]]
:*[[User_talk:Conservative/Gentlemen-the-anti-evolution-D-Days-are-going-to-be-happening-the-first-quarter-of-the-calendar-year-of-2009]]
:The talk page had contained this question from EddyJ:
:*"How did the D Days of the first quarter of the calendar year of 2009 work out? Almost five years later, is evolution still around?"

This brings up the question: Just how ''did'' those D-Days turn out? Is evolution still around 6 years later?

And, speaking of predictions, a question was raised a few months back (too lazy too look it up; I'm sure you know what I'm talking about) along the lines of "Evolutionists: Beware the Ides of March". Well, that date is coming up real soon now. Can the author tell me just what I'm supposed to be afraid of?

This is not the first year that dire predictions have been made for the Ides of March. In none of the past cases am I aware that the predicted doom came to pass. Can someone tell me what I missed? [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 13:33, 22 February 2015 (EST)

== User talk:OGSMEDIA ==

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''content created by User:Wschact, User:AugustO and subject to Conservapedia's copyright policy''

{{welcome|OGSMEDIA}}--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:10, 16 January 2015 (EST)

Unfortunately, OGS Media sounds like the advertising department of "Offgrid Survival"... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 04:10, 16 January 2015 (EST)
: Could you please explain your relationship to Off Grid Survival Media? Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 14:31, 20 January 2015 (EST)</div>

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:18, 20 January 2015 (EST)

== @User:Conservative: NOTE to Fellow Editors and Admins ==

(As usual [[User talk:Conservative]] is protected, otherwise I'd bring up this topic over there)

User:Conservative, you have deleted [[Talk:Gardening]] and [[Talk:Yoga]], presumably to get rid of [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]]'s announcement:
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|'''NOTE to Fellow Editors and Admins:''' Please note that I am a trained (both in Asia and the USA) and certified professional practitioner / subject matter expert in the field of Complementary medicine / [[Alternative medicine]], particularly [[Traditional Chinese medicine]]-[[Acupuncture]], [[Ayurvedic medicine]] and [[nutrition]] for the last 19 years.

'''I am a also a life-long [[gardener]] who is certified in [[Permaculture]] [[gardening]] (completed a [[Permaculture design course]] ([[PDC]])'''

Through the month of December 2014 and January 2015, I am working many hours per week on editing Conservapedia. For specifically on a collapsible "See Also" navigation template for the diverse topics of the [[Alternative medicine]], [[First aid]], [[Permaculture]] [[gardening]], [[Firearms]], [[:Category:Survivalism|Emergency preparedness]] and [[Amateur radio]] articles I am also working on and articles on related topics.

I will also be working on the Categories for all of these Alternative medicine topics and related [[Healthcare]], [[Cooking]] and Nutrition categories and items such as [[spices]] (which are related to [[health]] and nutrition)

So, I please request your patience in considering not deleting articles or content I have submitted in these subject areas without first discussing it on the Talk Page and letting me know on my User Page, if you would be so kind.

Also, please note that I plan to rapidly submit articles for the "red links". Thank you for your patience.
|}

Do you intend to get rid of it on pages like the following, too?

*[[Talk:Permaculture design course]]
*[[Talk:First aid]]
*[[Talk:Hugelkultur]]

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:07, 3 February 2015 (EST)
:You can delete the alternative medicine entries. That was agreed on.

:Keep the material related to conservatism, survivalism, amateur radio, preparedness, guns, cooking, first aid, permaculture, etc.

:Much of the talk page additions by TAR were related to Wsacht hounding. They were "preemptive strikes/justifications/defenses". That is why I deleted those TAR article talk pages. The Wasacht hounding issue appears to be solved. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:21, 3 February 2015 (EST)
::We seem to have quite different ideas of "hounding". Well, I leave it for now... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:44, 3 February 2015 (EST)
:::I got [[User:JoeyJ]] page deletion rights. Please ask him to delete any unnecessary talk pages that were created during the TAR/Wsacht feud. You can put the deletion tags on them and JoeyJ can delete them.

:::I am guessing TAR will be back within 1-14 days based on my recent communication with him. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:19, 3 February 2015 (EST)

::::Thanks, but it is a tedious task, and I think, I've done my share. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:35, 3 February 2015 (EST)

== Evolutionary belief in Germany: Its future in Germany is kaput! And you still can't satisfactorily answer the 15 questions for evolutionists ==

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I just read this:

Reporter David Wroe adds, “Creationism—the belief that Genesis and other books of the Bible explain life on Earth—is gaining strength in Germany.” He cites a recent University of Dortmund survey that showed that around a fifth of future teachers and a similar proportion of those who had studied basic biology doubted evolution, along with one in eleven who were studying for a higher degree in biology. Meanwhile, private Christian schools are growing more popular, half of which are represented by the creation-promoting Association of Evangelical Schools. Even evolutionist Dittmar Graf says he is “really sure that the percentage of Germans who doubt evolution is going up and up.” Source: [https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/creation-in-germany/ Creationism in Germany, 2009]

On March 17, 2014, the news website ''Deutsche Well'' reported that evangelical Christianity has doubled in [[Germany]] in the last 10 years.[http://www.dw.de/ghanaian-pastor-seeks-to-re-christianize-germany/a-17501259]

And you still cannot satisfactorily answer the [https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/creation-in-germany/ 15 questions] for evolutionists! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:48, 12 February 2015 (EST)</div>

Thank you for the interesting links - no need to erase them! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:59, 16 February 2015 (EST)

:Oh Cons! Did you [[memory hole]] your edit of 04:48, 12 February? Shame on you! Bad, naughty Cons! You know better than to do that. For your penance, I'd like you to make 77 edits to the "Atheism vs. Islam" article, within the space of 10 hours. Oh, I see you already did that. Good. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 00:25, 17 February 2015 (EST)

== Reading the Bible in Koine Greek ==

My friend is going to learn Koine Greek in order to be able to read the New Testament in its original language. Are you able to do that now fluently?

Do you own an English version of a Bible? If so, what English version do you like? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:30, 18 February 2015 (EST)

:User:Conservative, a short time ago, you wrote that you do not talk about your personal affairs. So, why should I? Unless, we make it a little ''quid pro quo'':
:*How is your Greek?
:*Which version of the Bible do you own? What English version of the Bible do you like?
:I'll answer your questions ''after'' you have answered the questions above. Otherwise I'm quite willing to tell you about the experiences a friend of mine had with the Greek language.
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:43, 18 February 2015 (EST)
::An editor using the User: Conservative account would like to take you up on your offer in this manner, answer your questions in relation to English versions of the Bible (any non-English versions will not be included) and of course I will answer the Greek question too. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:47, 25 March 2015 (EDT)

:::I'm confused: is this secondary user of your account the friend you spoke about? Are you, the main user, interested in Greek? Never mind, I'm waiting for your answers:
:::*How is your Greek?
:::*Which version of the Bible do you own? What English version of the Bible do you like?
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]]
My knowledge of Koine Greek is poor. It consists of just a few words learned through sermons (for example, the words agape, phileo, eros, [http://www.gotquestions.org/dunamis-meaning.html dunamis], etc. etc.).

I own these versions: NASB, NKJV, KJV, J.B Phillips translation of the New Testament and the NIV (not a big fan of the NIV).

Except for the NIV, I like all of the versions of the Bible I own. Each one has its own flavor. I also like the Berkeley Version and this [http://www.genevabible.com/ new version of the Geneva Bible]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:36, 26 March 2015 (EDT)

:*I got my [[Graecum]] at school, after learning classical Greek for four years. At university, I took a course in ''Bibelgriechisch'' (Greek of the Bible / Koine Greek). So, I'm able to ''translate'' verses, but would have trouble to make polite conversation with the Apostle Matthew.... To understand the subtleties of the texts, I have to consult commentaries.
:*No, I don't own a hard-copy of an English version of the Bible, but thanks to the internet, I can read many versions. In German, I prefer the Lutherbibel, and the first English version I look up is always the [[KJB]].
:--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 16:34, 28 March 2015 (EDT)
::Thanks. I am torn between doing Bible memorization and learning Koine Greek. I may do both, but probably just one in the short term given the number of various projects I have committed myself to.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:54, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

:::I've great respect for those who know large portions of the Bible by heart because they studied it, preached about it, used it - and every Christian should know at least some verses!
:::OTOH, memorizing the Bible for its own sake doesn't strike me as an intellectual endeavor - any third-rate actor should be able to do so. In my experience, those who have memorized it for its own sake are a lot like vegans - it is one of the first things about themselves they bring up in any conversation....
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:29, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
Some branches of psychology are pseudosciences and laymen are able to do just as well as trained professionals. At the same time, cognitive psychology is very useful and helps with such things as designing airplane cockpit instrument panels and increase people's intellectual abilities. [http://www.amazon.com/Your-Memory-How-Works-Improve/dp/1569246297 This book] shows people how to boost their memory by about 40-60% or more using various memory techniques and I believe it was written by a cognitive psychologist. The figures of 40-60% or more is based on experimental evidence. I plan on learning these techniques this year.

[http://www.amazon.com/How-Read-Book-Intelligent-Touchstone/dp/0671212095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1417944498&sr=8-1&keywords=how+to+read+a+book This book], written by the well-known educator/philosopher Mortimer Adler, which sold over 500,000 books and is considered a classic, shows people how to increase their reading comprehension and a website I visited highly recommended this book and I plan on reading it this year.

After all is said and done, in order to better study/apply information, you need to be able to comprehend it and recall it. So memorization/comprehension are fundamental skills worth enhancing as they increase your efficiency/speed of learning. And part of that process can certainly include practicing new memory skills.

The Book of Daniel noted that knowledge will increase in the end times and we live at a time of a knowledge explosion in many respects so these skills are very useful now. I am a big believer in lifelong learning and chided my friend who recently said she was too old to learn. I told her that the mind is like a muscle and if you don't exercise it you will stagnate.

Lastly, I believe there are benefits of taking time to memorizing Scripture and some of them are given below.

:Fine, then do so. Please inform me ''after'' you have completed this task. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 09:28, 1 April 2015 (EDT)
::Actually, after I finished my university education, I took some college courses and in one of them I memorized Scripture. So I already started the process.

::Second, there is an additional thing I wanted to say: "Overlearning is the repeated practice of a skill or study of material to further strengthen memory and performance. Rehearsal enhances performance past the initial point of learning because the neural processes involved become more efficient and recall speed improves."[http://www.alleydog.com/glossary/definition.php?term=Overlearning] One of the key concepts of learning is learning through repetition and memorization involves repetition. It also causes saturation of learning and saturation can increase your depth of understanding and saturation of learning [http://www.ez3dbiz.com/ez_creativity.html has been linked to increased creativity] (You can better creatively apply your knowledge).

::Another key point is that at times of temptation, it helps if something is second nature to you. Martial artists repeat movements over and over and over and so things become second nature. So they can perform movements without even thinking about it so to speak. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:47, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

:::Good for you. I just think that learning a language is a more enriching task. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:49, 2 April 2015 (EDT)

=== Benefits of memorizing Scripture ===

*[http://sukofamily.org/?p=1434 Benefits of memorizing Scripture]

*[http://www.examiner.com/article/the-benefits-of-memorizing-scripture Benefits of memorizing Scripture - Examiner]

*[http://www.weirdunsocializedhomeschoolers.com/scripture-memory/ Scripture memory box]

I agree with this person who said:

"The perceived value of memorizing scripture, or of memorizing anything for that matter, has fallen on hard times in recent years. Trends in education, and the pervasive belief that memorization is simply a rote practice that has no real impact on true learning, have relegated memorization to an outdated, dusty tool. However, in dismissing the value of memorization, we have lost the practice of internalizing things that are worth keeping and pondering.

Memorization, whether of poetry, a favorite quote or of Scripture, allows you to reflect on the meaning of words repeatedly and in depth. The ultimate goal of memorization is not to regurgitate a thought for the sake of that accomplishment alone, but to allow the words to affect your thinking and your perspective. People who memorize poetry tend to do so because the words carry message that resonates with them."[http://www.examiner.com/article/the-benefits-of-memorizing-scripture]

"Scripture Memorization Works:

Every time we think a thought, including when we memorize and meditate on scripture, our brains are changed. Dr. Amen, a clinical neuroscientist and psychiatrist and author of Making a Good Brain Great, says, “Every time you have a thought your brain releases chemicals. ... Your thoughts
... positive or negative ... make you feel good or they make you feel bad.” What you read and what you say to yourself, changes ever so slightly the neuropathways of your brain and that, in turn, influences your attitudes, behaviors, and emotions. Scripture memorization allows you to choose words and images that shape your mind and heart. It works in us even when we are not conscious of its doing so." For more information please see: [http://mcswichita.net/Teaching/006-ScriptureMemorization&Meditation-JT.pdf SCRIPTURE MEMORIZATION & MEDITATION by By Pastor Jerry Truex] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:21, 1 April 2015 (EDT)

== Recent news report about creationism in Germany/Europe ==

[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2015/03/science-nordic-5-year-study-shows.html Science Nordic: Creationism is spreading in Europe/Germany]

:''Yes, my evolutionist friends, even in the atheistic Netherlands some schools are now teaching creationism! '' You don't know much about the Netherlands, do you? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:43, 15 March 2015 (EDT)

== Spoiling for a fight? ==

No, I'm not. I've avoided Conservapedia for a couple of weeks, and I tried not to get sucked into any debates. But - as usual - I cannot let Andy Schlafly's ''"attempts"'' on translating the Bible (see [[User_talk:Aschlafly#The_Son_of_God]] and [[Son of Man]]) stand without protest. So, here I am again, going through my watchlist, addressing points I've missed (perhaps a little bit more curmudgeonly than necessary, but I'm irked). --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 17:06, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
:Do you think you are going to change Schlafly's view on the authorship of Hebrews or that he will cause you to adopt his view? Do you think you are going to change other people's minds about this matter? When I saw your recent edits (including the talk page comment directed towards me), the most reasonable explanation is "spoiling for a fight". [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:50, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
:::When I started at Conservapedia four years ago, I thought that one could have interesting discussion on Biblical Greek and gain insights by joined translations. Unfortunately, now I have to admit that this was just wishful thinking: it is the other way round. At first, you have an '''''insight''''' by A. Schlafly, and then, everything, even God's Word is bend to fit the insight.
::"Fourth, argumentative. This one.....some folks might argue about (get it?). Germans can find a thousand things to argue about. It could be one guy planting shrubs of a disliked nature that the neighbor can't stand. It could be the act of cranking your car for two minutes in winter to warm it up. One minute of such a cranking would be tolerated, but not two, and thus inviting an argument sooner or later."[http://schnitzelrepublic.blogspot.com/2010/07/seven-personality-traits-of-german.html] - taken from the essay'' The Seven Personality Traits of a German'' posted at the blog Schnitzel Republic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:53, 15 March 2015 (EDT)
:::Spouting national stereotypes is certainly an excellent way to calm down your interlocutors.
:::But yes, when I spot litter, I pick it up. When I see a rubbish translation based only on a dubious insight, I argue against it. I won't get a clean world, I won't improve the CBP very much (it is just abysmal). But I try. ''Deutsch sein heißt, eine Sache um ihrer selbst willen zu tun.'' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 18:12, 15 March 2015 (EDT)

== Categories again ==

This page is so fascinating! I hadn't looked at it for a while.

I have made a small edit to [[Power plant]], in keeping with my vision of categories for electrical things. See [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Alternating_Current_%28AC%29&action=historysubmit&diff=1146349&oldid=1146319] and [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Direct_current&action=historysubmit&diff=1146350&oldid=1146317] for what I've done on those two articles. Feel free to change or revert, of course; I trust your judgment.

My attempts to clean up the mess, both in content and in categories, that is the electricity/electronics material here at CP, got bogged down, of course. So much to do! I may tackle some more of it when I have the time. Much of that mess is ''not'' due to TAR.

In answer to your metaphysical question, he may have taken his own advice, bought as many guns as he could afford (that's in one of his pages somewhere), cashing in his life savings to do it, and moved to someplace in the Northwestern United States, with only his amateur radio rig for communications. As far as I know, Conservapedia has no amateur-radio-connected editing server.

Always a pleasure to talk with you. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 12:14, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

== re: User:TheAmericanRedoubt ==

You wrote: [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] has edited Conservapedia two months ago for the last time. Will he be back? What happens to the plethora of red links in the meantime? --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 06:38, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
=== My response ===
I got in contact with [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt]] and he is going to start editing Conservapedia again probably sometime in September of 2015. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:22, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
:That is a little bit unsettling... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 20:27, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
::He's on some kind of secret project/mission that only Cons knows about. See [[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#The_American_Redoubt]]. I'm sure that, when he comes back, his collegial and cooperative attitude will be such that we will all welcome him back as a valued collaborator. So please be patient. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 21:13, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
:::Try to think of all the red links that will be filled in. The red links being filled in will cause the wiki to look more tidy and orderly - more germanic. :) If he does a superb job, then the level of tidiness and orderliness added to the wiki may even surpass germanic levels and reach Swiss levels.[http://www.dw.de/germans-and-hygiene/a-16459423] :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:50, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
::::[Just back from washing my hands—seriously!—after reading the above article.] I'm not planning to wait for the end of his secret mission. In fact, I've been working at cleaning up the ridiculously disordered redlinks, inappropriate categories, and just general horribleness that TAR has left behind. After reading the above essay, I can't believe that TAR is German or Swiss. More like (no, I won't put in an obnoxious national stereotype here.) And I intend to continue cleaning it up. I trust that AugustO will set an example for all of us. I'm only a small part German. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 22:13, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
SamHB, clean up you user page which is at [[User:SamHB|SamHB]]. Try to make it more like [[User:Conservative|User: Conservatism]] in its crisp design, simplistic beauty and austere nature. :) Start by removing all the unsightly "crossed out" font on your user page.

"Let everyone sweep in front of his own door, and the whole world will be clean." - Johann Wolfgang Goethe. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:42, 7 June 2015 (EDT)

:Well played, Cons! OK, I will see what I can do about cleaning that up. The multivariable calculus stuff is way obsolete. But maybe it should stay, as a permanent record of my life here. And maybe the crossed out "I can help you; on second thought I can't" garbage should go. But my user page will never have the "crisp design, simplistic beauty and austere nature" (you ''do'' have a way with words!) of yours, for a few reasons:
:*My life at CP, like my life in the real world, is complex and messy. As an example, I've been blocked about 13 times, depending on exactly how you count. (All of them wrongly, but I'm not going to argue that.) It's only in the last couple of years that I seem to have earned enough respect from the admins (yes, even you!) that I don't feel like a criminal all the time. It really does affect one's outlook, and hence one's user page.
:*I don't have the luxury of locking both my user page and talk page, and living behind a cloak of simplicity. You put all your entropy in the various subpages of your user page, like all the music stuff. Doing that just isn't for me.
:*And, of course, you put all your entropy in the "atheism and canoe paddles" articles. (Quick challenge: Come up with a witty reply. Extra points if you can do it without referring to being up the creek without one.)
:*I put my efforts into clean, elegant, and correct pages in mainspace, especially in the math and science area. That's what all the home-schoolers are going to come for, right?
Be that as it may, I will think about making my user page cleaner. But not cleaner than the reality of my life.
:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 23:40, 7 June 2015 (EDT)
::SamHB, a [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Atheism_Project&curid=132852&diff=1157706&oldid=1157355 message] for you. June/July of 2015 are going to be very BAD months for atheism. TERRIBLE things will befall its kingdom. The [[Desecularization|TREND]] is clear and the [http://conservativetriumphs.blogspot.com/2015/03/attention-atheists-google-trends.html writing is on the wall]. Weep and wail militant atheists. Atheism is doomed! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:08, 8 June 2015 (EDT)

== How dare you to call your attempts "translation"? ==

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'''How dare you to call your attempts "translation"?'''

Andy, I have criticized your lack of knowledge already above in the section [[#The Son of God]]. Reading [[Essay:Calming the Storm]], I see that you are not even capable of recognizing that εἶπεν is a conjugated form of λέγω (''"... But "λέγω" -- the Greek term used for said in some versions -- does not appear in the Greek above"''). This shows such a lack of basic skills in even reading Greek! And at the same time you are [[Linguistic Bias of Bible Translations|implying]] that you have a special understanding of the "scientific terminology" which was used in the Bible, giving you perhaps a better understanding of the text than [[James Strong]] had!

''How dare you to call your actions a translation?'' You are not able to translate one verse from scratch! A more honest term would be "inspired ramblings"! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:54, 21 June 2015 (EDT)

'''Plea'''

Andy, please, please, address [[Talk:Essay:Calming_the_Storm#Andy.2C_it.27s_your_essay.2C_correct_your_mistakes.2C_please|these problems]]! Please! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:15, 21 June 2015 (EDT)</div>

== an article relating to religion in Germany ==

I thought you might be interested in this article:

[http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/06/03/are-evangelicals-winning-the-world/ Are Evangelicals Winning the World? Why are parts of Germany formerly under the enforced secularism of the Communist party rediscovering charismatic religion?] by [[Peter L. Berger]], ''The American Interest'', June 3, 2015 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:46, 2 July 2015 (EDT)

== Just checking :-) ==

*x: <math>x</math>
*x^2: <math>x^2</math>
*x^2_1: <math>x^2_1</math>
*\frac{x}{y}: <math>\frac{x}{y}</math>
*\hat{x}: <math>\hat{x}</math>

--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 09:43, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

:Bravo! It works!!! Praise the [[Lord]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 11:37, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

::Thanks for your work: ''hilf Dir selbst, dann hilft Dir Gott!'' --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:22, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== Problem fixed ==

Thanks for alerting me to the problem via the block. The problem has been fixed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:11, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

:It felt strange, but I'm glad that it worked :-) --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:23, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

::Clever. Thanks again.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:27, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== Wonderful ==

Wonderful improvements to the "span" locations!!!!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:30, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
:You're welcome! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 14:33, 30 August 2015 (EDT)

== Quick note ==

I misread the message by GregG on Andy's talk page. Had I read the message more carefully, I would have let Andy respond without any commentary from myself.

I do agree with you about vaccinations not causing autism. At the same time, I do think it is good that the public puts pressure on the medical community and the government so vaccines get safer over time. Given the VA Hospital scandal in the USA and health care scandals in other Western democracies, I think competition and public pressure is good for the medical sector of economies. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:18, 3 November 2015 (EST)
:Thanks - I tend to agree --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 08:37, 16 November 2015 (EST)

== The American Redoubt as a Wikipedian ==

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'''This user is a Wikipedian'''

Does anybody know which handle he uses at wikipedia? Perhaps one could contact him over there... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 17:31, 15 November 2015 (EST)
:: I am not a Wikipedian. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] ([[User talk:TheAmericanRedoubt|talk]]) 11:08, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:So, your status changed since [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:TheAmericanRedoubt&diff=next&oldid=1126866 Dec 28, 2014]. Was there a conflict about categorizing? ;-) --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 15:05, 23 January 2016 (EST)
:: Thanks for the reminder to remove that tag. [[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] ([[User talk:TheAmericanRedoubt|talk]]) 20:35, 23 January 2016 (EST)
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== re: Dinesh D'Souza material removal from one of the articles I created ==

I used to be a somewhat of a fan of Dinesh. But after his firing from King's College and his recent political activities which he got jailed for, I have soured on him. I now use his material when no other source is available (so very sparingly). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:36, 29 February 2016 (EST)

:When you start deleting content, there is always the possibility that one of your collective went rogue: therefore, you should explain such deletions! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 16:17, 4 March 2016 (EST)

== re: Conservatve2 account ==

I created the Conservatve2 account because I was at a friend's residence and I did not have the password for User: Conservative readily available. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:36, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

== Silence speaks volumes ==

The phrase is "Silence speaks volumes" in the plural. The multiple "volumes" being referred to are the volumes of a large encyclopedia. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to, ummmm, clean that up.

Your use of the idiom "went missing" was exactly on target. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 17:58, 7 April 2016 (EDT)

:"Silence speaks volumes" or "the lady doth protest too much, methinks" - it's always one or the other.... --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 11:17, 8 April 2016 (EDT)

== re: German comments ==

Recently, I listened to some music by Beethoven. After listening to the music, I thought of the various important contributions of Germans. For example, Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation.

I know I did some good-natured ribbing about the Germans, but looking back I regret doing so.

Europe is facing a lot of problems right now. Hopefully, German Christians will help soften some the blow of some of the past mistakes Europeans committed which are starting to cause some significant problems (see: [http://evangelicalfocus.com/blogs/838/Europes_crisis_Gods_opportunity Europe’s crisis. God’s opportunity]). For example, recently I read that many Moslem immigrants to Europe are converting to Christianity (or pretending to) and some churches are taking a pro-active stance on this issue and actively engaging in evangelism efforts. [http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/25/why-are-so-many-muslim-refugees-in-europe-suddenly-finding-jesus.html] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:54, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

:Thanks - though our views on "good-natured ribbing" differ considerably. I wish you the very best for your off-wiki endeavours which you have mentioned quite a lot over the last weeks. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 03:47, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
::I think you are right about some of my comments, but I know at least my Hogan's Hero's comments were good-natured. I also know that I always had a measure of respect for Germanic culture. One of my teachers said that Germans have done some of the greatest things that humanity has ever accomplished and some of the worst things. I think that is a fair statement. When you have a culture which has a good degree of self-discipline you can put that discipline to good uses or bad uses. I do think Europe's economy would be in much worse shape if it weren't for the Germans.

::As far as contemporary Germany, I am not a fan of flooding Europe with Muslims and I think boosting Europe's fertility rate would be a better solution, but I will admit that the insisting that the new immigrants learn the native language (German) and making greater efforts at work placement is a lot better than than the French/Swedish immigration model. But with the New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Colgne, Germany tell me that this is not an optimal solution. I guess Merkel and German businessman are in a difficult situation given the labor demand for German industry. I think making greater efforts to bring in more Christian immigrants would be a better solution as far as short-term solutions.

::I think Europe needs to adopt a more Christian worldview. The agnostic professor [[Eric Kaufmann]] said that boosting fertility rates though public policy has had mixed success as far as countries that have tried this if memory serves, but I can't precisely recall all his public statements that I have heard.[https://books.google.com/books?id=E3X4CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA138&lpg=PA138&dq=%22eric+kaufmann%22+fertility+france&source=bl&ots=sjy2t0PxhI&sig=98Kda6TclDBWelMexgT5lPxsjrQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjoj9SAwI7NAhUJNT4KHVnjCGkQ6AEIQTAF#v=onepage&q=%22eric%20kaufmann%22%20fertility%20france&f=false]

::Anyways, the world seems to be changing at a faster pace and I expect there to be some very significant changes in the next 20-25 years or so (robotics, failing welfare states, [[desecularization]], people are probably going to be forced to retire later, increased culture clash as far as Western values and Islamic culture, etc, etc.). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:55, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
I was just thinking about one of my previous statements. Given robotics and potential changes in terms of energy technology, I am not sure what is going to happen as far as the work/leisure equation. I think the world is more complex and being a futurist is a harder job as societies are going into more uncharted territories. For example, [[Gerald Celente]] of the Trends Institute has probably been one of the better futurists over his lifetime, but in recent years he has had some significant failures in terms of his predictions. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:07, 4 June 2016 (EDT)
==Happy New Year==
We've missed you and wish you all the best for 2017! [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:35, 16 January 2017 (EST)
:Thanks! Best wishes for you, too! --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 05:16, 18 January 2017 (EST)

== Why don't you stop working on the CBP? ==

Why don't you stop working on the CBP?

I gave some reasonable criticisms of the project including one that I just added that you probably agree with relating to original intent of the authors (see the Conservative Bible Project talk page).

The CBP has a flawed design which gets in the way of original intent being adequately expressed in the translation.

On Andy's talk page I suggested you launch a new project at Conservapedia called the Open Source Bible translation Project. Please read what I posted on Andy's talk page and respond. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:47, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:If there are fake news out there, it is not enough to post the real story somewhere else - you have to confront the fake news directly. In light of [[Revelation_16-22_(Translated)#22:18|Rev 22:18-20]], this is especially important for the a fake [[Good News]].
:Furthermore, Andy's "insights" pop up as ''Gospel truth'' on articles in the main space, like [[Counterexamples to Relativity]] and [[Epistle to the Hebrews]]. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 04:56, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::Why not agree to launching a Open Source Bible translation project at Conservapedia and periodically criticize the CBP? You are never going to like the final product of the CBP. And you are never going to like co-laboring with Mr. Schlafly on the CBP.

::And if your criticism of the CBP of it being a translation that is designed to cater to the opinions of Mr. Schlafly is a sincere and valid criticism, then why would you want to work on a project which will never have wide appeal? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:20, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

*What use is it to splinter the small resources even more? And ''I'''m aware of my limitations: a story written by me in a foreign language would not appeal to an American reader.
*The interesting thing: I'm learning very much due to the CBP, e.g., I never before thought about word frequencies in the Bible other than as a mean to efficiently learn the vocabulary. I take my time to look thoroughly into things, and this way I have benefited from this ill-guided project, improved my vocabulary and my general knowledge of Greek over various time periods.
*I'm aware that I could get minuscule changed to the project by intense flattering. Unfortunately, that is not my way. So, I want to make my points so crystal clear that all but one understand my position.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 05:52, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::OK. I think I am going to obtain the newest version of the NASB. I did learn more about Bible versions as a result of the CBP. In addition, I don't think I will engage in anymore criticism of the CBP. I don't think my criticism will be received and acted on. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:16, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::*NASB? Good for you - it this the version you intend to [[#Benefits_of_memorizing_Scripture|memorize]]?
:::*You should keep an eye on the CBP - AFAIK, all editors who tried there to egg Andrew Schlafly on later turned out to be trolls.
:::*As you do not want to appear to endorse the project, I think you should register your protest from time to time.
:::--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] ([[User talk:AugustO|talk]]) 06:49, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
Yes, now that I know the pros and cons of the various versions, I have picked the NASB as the version I wish to memorize.

Second, I set some goals for the remainder of my life which will be very challenging to meet. I don't think I will have the luxury of keeping an eye on the CBP. Fully registering my criticisms, which I have done via the CBP talk page, will have to suffice. It comes down to priorities. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:42, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:I have been an outspoken critic of the CBP and I thought all my suggestions would be ignored. But today I was surprised by Andy taking one of my suggestions and altering one of the 10 guidelines of the CBP project. I took it upon myself to implement another change in the guidelines which I hope will stick as this issue was the second most grievous problem with the project. My suggestions are very sensible. I do endeavor to be a reasonable person and not be an unreasonable nitpicker. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:22, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== IRC ==

Hello, 
After some discussion (on [[User_talk:DavidB4#Conservapedia_IRC_channel|my talk page]] and [[User_talk:Aschlafly#IRC|Andy's]]) it has been decided that I start an [[Internet Relay Chat]] channel for Conservapedia, since our old one has been dead since 2009. It is now registered and somewhat set up. I don't know if you use IRC or are interested in doing so, but anyone with block privileges on Conservapedia can also get block privileges on the new IRC channel. Unfortunately, IRC accounts are deleted after 30 days of being unused, so unless you plan on using the IRC at least once a month, there is probably not much point in registering. In any case, feel free to try it out--if you account gets deleted, we can always make another one later. If you are interested, please let me know! 
The IRC channel is: #conservapedia @irc.accessIRC.net 
Let me know if you have any questions or need anything else, also! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:41, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

== Hey ==

We never spoke on a talk page, but I think you're the best Bible translator on this site, the very best. Don't let Conservative get away with any of his petty grammar remarks.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

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== Question ==

What do you think of this edit?[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Sunni&curid=12296&diff=1326541&oldid=1260905] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:30, 28 March 2017 (EDT)
: I don't quite know what to think. The grammar is pretty bad, for sure. As for the content, I do not really understand the difference, so I can't say if it is true or not. I was rather hoping someone with a better understanding of the factions would review it. Do you have any idea of its acuracy? In the meantime, I'll try a more rounabout approach. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:20, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

== move request / delete request ==

I think I've put in the correct template notices, but it seems that communicating with you directly. as the "mover/deleter-in-chief" is more effective.

Please delete [[Spacetime]] and rename [[Curvature of spacetime]] on top of it.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, the templates look right. I'd be happy to help (and you did get a chuckle out of me with "mover/deleter-in-chief") but unfortunately, I cannot delete pages. I can move, but that's all. I'll ask someone else to delete it, then do the move unless they do it before me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:36, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
::Okay, done --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:26, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

== "Dewey Defeats Truman" ==

I already asked Andy, but is there any way to find or upload old newspaper articles, particularly the 1948 "Dewey Defeats Truman" ''Chicago Tribune'' article (not the fMous image, but the actual article)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:The problem is that the newspaper itself is copyrighted, as far as I know. If we could get written permission from the Chicago Tribune, that would be ideal. Otherwise, we can only go down the slippy slope of "Fair use." I'll try to do a little research, but I don't know if there is much we can do other than linking to the image/article directly. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:51, 8 April 2017 (EDT)

::The [[Harry Truman]] article has several newspaper images displayed on it (unfortunately, not the "Dewey wins" one). Is there any difference with those, or were those mistakenly uploaded? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:15, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Hmmm... good point. They claimed "fair use." I know WP uses copyrighted things with impunity, just claiming it is "fair use." However, i don't really know what legal ground they have to stand on. That's why I usually differ to Mr. Schlafly on Fair Use topics. it occurs to me that the Chicago Tribune might have some published terms of use. If we could find those, it might help. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:28, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
::::The proposed use of the photo to decorate the [[Fake News]] article would not be fair use. If you had a discussion of the ''Tribune'' or of the photo itself, that could potentially be a fair use. If I were the permissions editor of the ''Tribune'' (a company that currently operates a for-profit website), I would not give you permission to use the photo on an article that calls it (and the ''Tribune'') "fake news." Again, there are several copyrights involved, the photographer's, the underlying newspaper, and anyone who altered or "touched up" the photo since it was taken. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 15:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::I had a feeling it would not--you're right, especially if we are asking so we can essentially berate them, it would not be in their best interests to agree. Thanks for the input! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:30, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Conservapedia IRC channel ==

I don't think the IRC channel is active anymore.

I could be wrong, but I think IRC channels make your computer very susceptible to malware attacks. I think a weekly or biweekly Skype conference chat would be better for those who are interested. Skype is a very secular network. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:I could also be wrong, but I'm not aware of any penetration risks with IRC. The beauty of IRC is its simplicity--there are no local scripts, cross-site scripts, databases, or other fancy features--it's just text. IRC client programs should not have any significant computer access, so there shouldn't be much risk--I think. I did a little research, and couldn't find any articles on vulnerabilities either, but nothing it perfect.
:The main thing is that not all IRC networks use encryption, so conversations may not be secure. However, IRC channels are usually intended to be public anyway, so that is not a major issue. Also, encryption can be set up if needed.
:Anyway, Skype conferences could work, I suppose, although a scheduled occasional thing does not promote the casual conversation which can occur in IRC or some other chat room style place. Still, it might be a good chance for people to talk. If something like that is developed, I would be interested in joining. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::Please set up a Conservapedia IRC channel. Conservapedia could use more of a sense of community. And then ask for the IRC channel to be mentioned on the main page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:01, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Oh! okay, will do. I need to research a good network, since my old favorite has degenerated. I'll get back to you once its done. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:55, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::::Question: Should all users be required to register an IRC account before they can talk?
::::I'm setting up a channel which is not ready yet, so I don't want to post the info openly. I can e-mail it to you though, if you would like. If we decide to keep this, I'll also need to know who to set as IRC SysOps. I will be one automatically, since I'm creating it, but I can add others to several different permission levels. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:44, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::Okay, I think I have something reasonably set up. It is #conservapedia @irc.AccessIRC.net
:::::Thoughts? If you joint sometimes and register a nick, I can set you (and all other CP admins) to have SysOp rights. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:48, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::Here is a [https://kiwiirc.com/client?settings=7c7240c62a5d4861a8ad0ba697929f39 web client link], too, if that's easier. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Image typo ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[:File:Donald Trump with Nei Gorsuch Jan. 31, 2017.jpg]] in order to correct my spelling error on Gorsuch's first name? After that, is it OK if you request Andy to delete the redirect, as well as the redirect "[[Fake news]]"? (for the latter, so [[Fake News]] -- notice the "N" -- can be moved there, per JDano's request). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:Of course, moved as requested. I'm sure it's fine to ask Andy--you can you it yourself, but I did it this time, since I'm already thinking about it anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 03:10, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::All done, with Andy's help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:02, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:23, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Merge cats? ==

Do you think [[:Category:Weaponry]] and [[:Category:Weapons]] should be merged together? Or should one of those cats become a subcategory of the other? Right now, they are not related in any way, other than having one of the same parent cats. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:44, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
:That sounds like an excellent idea.... I don't see a difference either, so I agree that they should be merged. There's no need to make things more complicated than needed. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])

Would you also please move the article [[Occupy democrats]] so the "D" is capitalized? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:39, 17 April 2017 (EDT)
:Good idea, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:56, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

== Moving Pages ==

I think there's a problem with some article names that you may be able to fix. One of the New Testament books is named Titus. However, the page on [[Titus]] on Conservapedia goes to a Roman emperor, not the biblical book. Instead, the New Testament books Conservapedia page is on [[Epistle to Titus]], a rather awkward name to say the least.

So, I want to request you to move the page on the Roman emperor to a new article that should be titled [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]] (the emperors full name), and [[Epistle to Titus]] should be moved to simply Titus. Thanks for reading.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 23:29, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
:Personally, I like the "Epistle of Titus" name. I think moving the article of the Roman emperor is a good idea, but I personally disagree with moving the article of the biblical book. I think that once the Roman emperor's article is moved, the "Titus" redirect should be re-redirected to "Epistle of Titus". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
I guess having a direct page works as well, but I'd prefer devoting a biblical book to its own name, 'epistle' of course is an interpretation.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 10:15, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

:I think it might be a bit presumptive to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, since "Titus" is a name used over and over. Perhaps a disambiguation page would be appropriate under that name? A redirect would work also, as 1990'sguy suggested, but if we do that, a disambiguation statement should probably be added to the top of Epistle to Titus. In any case, I agree on moving Titus to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, so I'll start with that. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
Since you moved the Roman emperor to [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]], the article [[Titus]] has simply become nothing more than a redirect page to the Roman emperor. So I see no problem in simply moving [[Epistle to Titus]] to what is now a redirection page. I don't see any other type of article that could take up the [[Titus]] page, the biblical book seems to be the only one to warrant that name. So I'd still advocate my initial thoughts. Also -- not everyone may know what 'epistle' means, best to keep it simple.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:46, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::I'm still torn was to which is the better option. However, a full admin must delete [[Titus]] before [[Epistle to Titus]] could be moved there anyway. I made [[Titus]] a disambiguation page, which is all I can do. If you want to get Epistle to Titus moved to Titus, you will need to ask an administrator, such as [[User:Jpatt]], [[User:Karajou]], or [[User:Aschlafly]]. I still haven't decided what's better, but it's out of my hands anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: I had presumed you were capable of moving pages. Anyways, I brought this to [[User:Jpatt]].[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:24, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::You assumed correctly, but I can only move pages when there is nothing preexisting under the destination name. Since there was already a page under [[Titus]], I cannot move anything on top of that. An administrator needs to delete the existing page first, before a move can be completed. I should have thought of that sooner. Anyway, sorry I can't help more, but let me know if there is anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:19, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: You've already done enough by redirecting me to [[User:Jpatt]]. I made two requests to Jpatt, to move [[Epistle to Titus]] to [[Titus]], and rename the page [[Queen Gorgo of Sparta]] to simply [[Gorgo of Sparta]]. Both requests have been granted, [[Titus]] is now a page for the biblical book, whereas [[Epistle to Titus]] simply redirects to the biblical book. All seems well now -- and thanks![[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 15:54, 25 April 2017 (EDT)

DavidB4, would you please move the article [[St Gall]] to [[St. Gallen]]? The latter is the correct name of the Swiss city. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

:I would but now cannot, because the content has been copied over. A full admin will need to delete [[St. Gallen]], revert the change to [[St Gall]], then preform the move. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

::I've asked Jpatt to resolve this. See: [[User_talk:Jpatt#Moving_Pages]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:19, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

Hey David. Another request, if I may. Could you move [[Tiberius]] to [[Tiberius Caesar Augustus]], the full name of the emperor, and make it so that [[Tiberius]] is simply a proper redirect page?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Anti-Trump" article ==

Would you please move the article [[Anti-Trump]] to [[Never Trump movement]]? (is there supposed to be a space between "Never" and "Trump" or not?) This move would be to differentiate the movement from [[Opposition to Donald Trump]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:41, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
:Done. Just because the "hash tag" does not have a space doesn't mean there shouldn't be one. I would say it should have a space, and a quick web search seemed to show that most other people feel the same. Cheers! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:10, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

==Picture Upload Requests==

Hi. Would it be possible to upload some of the following three pictures?

:http://www.magdala.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/history_01.jpg
:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/archaeology-today/magdala-2016-excavating-the-hometown-of-mary-magdalene/
:http://cdn.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/magdala-stone-3.jpg?x10423

Thanks.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 12:10, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

I would be happy to, but first I need license information. unless explicitly stated, all content musty be assumed to be under copyright. Is this info available somewhere? If not, can you perhaps find some suitable substitutes which are usable, from places like Wikimedia commons and Flickr? Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:03, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

:I've sent a message to the website requesting usage of these pictures. Hopefully I'll get a response soon.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Perfect, alright let me know what they say (if they do)! Also if they give the ok, it would be great if you could forward the message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us so I can document it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

: Thanks. Good news -- although I haven't received an e-mail from them back yet, some of the images I need turned out to be on Wikimedia Commons which I'm hoping you will be able to upload:
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:Isrele_-_Tiberias_-_Lake_002.jpg
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Magdala_Stone#/media/File:Magdala_Stone_(5).jpg

:Of course, if I receive permission from magdala.org, that will give us access to some very high-quality image on a range of things regarding [[Magdala]], which will be even better.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 19:25, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great, yes I can do those right now. Uploaded as [[:File:Israeli-Tiberias-Lake.jpg]] and [[:File:Magdala Stone.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! If I have any new requests, I'll just post them down here without further comment. For now;

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg [[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 00:41, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:Uploaded as [[:File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg]]. Feel free to ask me here, of course, but I also monitor [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]--you can ask there, as well. I'm not the only one to answer requests there, so you could get a faster response. Either is fine with me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:: Gotcha! Thanks a lot.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

: Good news. I received a response e-mail from bibleplaces.com, a site that contains numerous very good photos on biblical locations. Accordingly, we can freely use up to 10 images from their website up to 400 pixels wide (the standard on bibleplaces.com). I will forward the response e-mail to you so that you can document it.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great! Okay, thanks! Let me know which ones you want uploaded, too, whenever you pick them out (no rush).

== Question ==

Do you think [[Xiang qi|this article]] has an appropriate quality for CP? I ask because the article creator is a liberal RW sysop who has brought his editing and writing style over to CP (though I think it's gotten better). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:I don't see any significant issues. Having two parenthetical remarks in the first sentence isn't ideal, but in regards to style, spelling, grammar, and notability, it looks ok to me. I haven't done research to verify the information, but assuming it is accurate, I think is should be fine. The only other thing I noticed was the use of parentheses inside of parentheses. Technically, brackets then braces should be used, but nowiki tags might be needed to make that work in some cases. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== Opinion ==

Hello. I was considering a move option for the page [[Exodus of Israel]]. I was thinking of moving this article to [[The Exodus]], and using [[Exodus of Israel]] as a redirect to it. As of right now, it's the other way around, and I wanted your opinion on this. I find that [[The Exodus]] is a much simpler name and title for the page, and a title that more people will consider when thinking about this event ('the exodus'). As far as I'm concerned, few people would consider typing in 'Exodus of Israel' to get to the page (although there is a disambiguation to get there from [[Exodus]]). So, I thought that [[The Exodus]] would be a superior title, and thus we should move [[Exodus of Israel]] to [[The Exodus]]. So far, I've already asked the opinion of 1990'sguy. -Unsigned comment by Korvex

:I think that while either might be acceptable, "Exodus of Israel" is better. Firstly, if someone types in "Exodus" they will see the result. Secondly, people familiar with the Bible my be familiar with "the exodus," but those who don't know the Bible may be confused. Exodus simply means to leave, usually in mass. While we know this is referring to the Israelites exiting Egypt, some may not. The current title is more precise, so my opinion is that the page should stay where it is. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:32, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the thoughts. Just one issue I recently noted -- [[Acre]] is a page on the measurement, but it should be turned into a disambiguation page, because there's also a city in Israel called Acre. So, could you take care of that by moving the pages?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 18:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

:Any time! As for Acre, We can do that, but I wounder if that's necessary. Acre, Israel is somewhat of a minority topic. Besides the fact we don't have an article for the city, I suspect that most people search "arce" will be looking for the unit, not the place. Even WP has an article about the unit under the name "acre" (not that I want to use WP as a template for CP). We don't want to frustrate users with too many disambiguation pages, but we also don't want to make it hard to find minority pages, either. We could put a link at the top of "Acre" to "Acre, Israel" I suppose, too. Do you plan to write a page on the city? If not, then as bad as it sounds, we can put this problem off until later. If so, then we should figure out something. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

== Ref help and suggestion ==

I have a code problem with a reference. The URL for ref. 3 (GOP 2016 platform) on [[Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition]] is correct, but it is weird and CP does not recognize it. It only considers part of the URL as the actual URL. Is there anything you can do to fix that, so people who click on the link will actually find the 2016 platform? (BTW, other than this code error, I like the link became it actually links to the actual PDF, rather than a page that links to that PDF).

In addition to the above, I have two suggestions for your bot. I don't know what you will think of them, but I might as well ask. First, can you program the bot to change hyphens to en-dashes whenever it is clear that the mark is intended to be a dash? Many editors use hyphens when they're supposed to be using dashes. Secondly, is there any way for your bot to add the links to the ''Biographical Directory of the United States Congress'' on the articles of current and former members of Congress? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:57, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

:It seems that they didn't stick to naming conventions, so that link text is being misunderstood by the wiki. I put in a workaround, using a web redirect. It's not really what we should do, but I'm not sure what it is we should do. This works, anyway.
:I welcome any any all thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc. about the bot! Unfortunately, the bot is very limited, and not very smart. It can and does detect double hyphens (the proper way to type a dash when only hyphens are available) and replace them with a dash. However, it cannot tell if a single hyphen should be replaced with a dash. Only if a specific word is immediately before or after the dash in need of replacing could it do this. It would detect the "-word" or "word-" then replace it. That's about as good as it gets. For the second suggestion, it could only add identical links to each page. So if there is some master list you would link linked to, it can put that on a hundred pages in a few minutes. However, it cannot put a different link on each page. I'm still hunting for a better bot solution, but for now, the main "engine" is basically just a batch edit bot. If anything within these constraints could be helpful, let me know and I'll gladly run a batch job. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
::I just tried the "cite web" template, but the same ref problem occurred. Oh well. I encourage you to continue to develop your bot! I think a bot that can do more things would be very useful. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:59, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

==Regarding Ransomware==
I've been a bit out of the IT loop, but I can think of a few ideas for defeating it, at least on a Windows OS, in degrees of severity.
:1. Booting from the OS installation DVD and going a few system restores back.
:2. Reinstalling Windows.
:3. The above, plus updating the BIOS.
:4. The above, plus swapping out the CPU and motherboard physically.
:5. The above, plus having all your information backed-up to an external hard drive or flash drive pre-infection.

How deep would I have to go? The NSA leaks on Windows zero-days make me concerned. I'd rather not lose twelve years of data. --[[User:Pious|Pious]] ([[User talk:Pious|talk]]) 23:39, 19 May 2017 (EDT)

:Sorry for the delayed response. You're certainly on the right track, but there are a few important factors to consider while following that line of reasoning. Since most ransomeware encrypts the entire drive, the OS disk does not see any system to run system restore on. Therefore, that is not an option. Actually, in my experience, system restore is almost always useless when dealing with malware, since the "bad guys" know all about it, and want to defeat it. Secondly, the CPU is just a calculator--it cannot be locked or corrupted. The only available attack on a processor which I know of is to force it to run far too many calculations so that it burns out. Regarding your points specifically, therefore:
:# Not going to work, as explained.
:# That should work fine--the attack is usually designed to lock data. If you reinstall the OS, there is not much they can do to stop you, in most cases.
:#Updating the BIOS would only be needed if the BIOS has been corrupted. If it has, it may also have been somewhat protected against updating. However, the BIOS is generally not targeted, since it is different from one computer to another. While one kind can be attacked, scores of others will be safe.
:#Replacing the CPU would be pointless, but replacing the board replaces the CMOS. That will remove the potentially infected BIOS from the equation. If the ransomware comes back, this is a good thing to try.
:#Always a good idea! Back up all of your personal files, and keep the storage device disconnected from the PC at all other times. If you get infected while that drive is attached, it will probably be locked as well.
:Something I like to do is to also take complete drive backup. This will take substantial external storage, but is a safe way to protect your files, settings, and perhaps most importantly, your software licenses. Take a system snapshot, then if the system is compromised, restore the image to the drive. This demolishes all data on the drive, and replaces it with the old information. Ideally, you should be able to just reboot after the restore, and the system will initialize as it always used to. My favorite program for doing that is [https://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm DriveImage XML] (which is free for private use).

:It can go deep--the BIOS can be compromised, so you will be unable to boot to anything but the infected drive. This will prevent you from restoring a complete drive backup, even if you have one. The only way I know to deal with that is to swap out the motherboard, and run a boot disk (I like [[Hiren's BootCD]]). Using DIXML on the boot disk, then restore the XML backup to the infected drive. Make sure to wipe the drive first, just in case--at least a full format would be smart. Then try booting to it, with your external backup drive (any all other storage devices, except the restored hard drive) disconnected. Then you can try playing around, cleaning your BIOS and other storage devices, if you have any.

:For now, just keep make sure to get all Windows updates, make regular backups (and if you take complete drive backups, keep a few older versions as well as the newest), never visit links you don't trust (especially in e-mails), and maybe get some good [[Anti-virus software]] and perhaps anti-malware software, like [[Spybot Search & Destroy]].
:A more radical option you could use is to switch to a [[Linux]] system. [[Linux Mint]] might be a good one, since the interface is designed similar to that of Windows. It would take some getting used to, and you will need to find and learn some new software to replace the Windows software you may use now, but that will shelter you from those zero-day vulnerabilities. Linux can have vulnerabilities too, but very few attackers pay any attention to them, since so few people use each version of Linux.

:I hope this helps some--anything I didn't cover well? I know it's a lot to take in and especially a lot to do. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:33, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

==Congressman John Fleming==

I would like to upload an updated official photo. Can you assist? [[User:Dustygram|Dustygram]] ([[User talk:Dustygram|talk]]) 22:15, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, if you can you go ahead and find one, in the Public Domain or under a [[Creative Commons]] license, that would be great. Here are some good sources:
:*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page '''WikiMedia Commons''']
:*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 '''Flickr''']
:*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile]
:*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures]
:The first two are my favorites. If you can find a good one, just get me the link and I'll upload it. If this is all confusing, or you have any questions, please just say so! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== Editor ==

Is there any chance you could review the edits of [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/MattF this editor]? They are not vandalism, but they cite few sources and I don't think many of them have the most encyclopedic language. I changed some of his edits, and I posted on his talk page with some of the diffs. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:52, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:Agreed, he is adding some great information, but citations are needed. I've messaged him as well. It could be that he just isn't familiar with the process. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 22 May 2017 (EDT)

== Protection ==

The page title should be protected after being deleted, and protected so only administrators can create. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:22, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:Not a bad idea, but I cannot set that level of protection. I don't even know if autoconfirmed level restriction will slow this fool down, but it's all I can do. Perhaps ask an a full admin? The thing is, he'll just use a slightly different name, and keep going. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:25, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::That's a good point, although I don't think that level of protection does much of anything since only registered users can edit anyway. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:::That is probably the case. However, some users registered here are not autoconfirmed, but do have accounts. I'm not sure how/why that happens. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Coat of Arms" of Turkey ==

Hi. [[Turkey]] doesn't have a "coat of arms", but [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TurkishEmblem.svg "'''national emblem'''" on the flag (star and crescent)] is being used on passports, ID cards, driving licences, embassy signs, seal of the presidential office, seal of the National Assembly and the seal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I ask you to upload this file and put it on the article (instead of the so-called "coat of arms"). Thanks. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 12:14, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:The image currently used there does seem to be legitimate. I'd be happy to upload it, but it doesn't really seem to be their coat of arms as much as it is just their national symbol. Since it is so similar to the flag (which has the same emblem) are you sure it would be beneficial to show that instead of the current image, which is in the "Coat of arms" section? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:52, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::Yes, it will definitely be true. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 02:50, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, so I've done a little digging. While you are right, of course, that this emblem is regularly used, it is not their of arms. The coat of arms is different (here are some [[:Category:National_Coats_of_Arms|other examples]]). I'm fine with uploading this emblem, but it doesn't belong in that slot. The template doesn't actually seem to have a slot for it, but we could include it as an independent image, if you like. It clearly represents them, but just not as a coat of arms. Any thoughts on how it might be best displayed? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:46, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

== D.T. achievements article question ==

The article I'm working on, [[Donald Trump achievements]], is already 200,000 bytes, and we're not even halfway through 2017. I was thinking of making separate subpages for each year, but should I instead do half-years? Or, how big can I make pages until the become a problem for readers (long loading time, etc.)? I would appreciate your opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
:Unrelated, would you please correct the title of [[:File:John Flemming.jpg]] (it's one "M", not two). As well as add cats? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:40, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
::You could divide it by years or by topic areas -- foreign affairs, defense and national security, and domestic policy. Load time depends on the number of images and templates. If you look at the longest articles in CP, they are:
*[[Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2013-2016]] ‎[1,254,945 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[1,053,795 bytes]
*[[‎Literalist Bible chronology]] ‎[545,440 bytes]
*[[‎Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2012]] ‎[521,228 bytes]
*[[‎Revelation, Book of (historical exegesis)]] ‎[494,607 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) shorter form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[452,782 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 22-28]] ‎[390,968 bytes]
*[[‎Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 29-35]] ‎[364,572 bytes]
*[[‎Community Portal/Archive 1]] ‎[346,243 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 15-21]] ‎[340,061 bytes]
The longest page on English Wikipedia is ‎List of Australian treaties ‎[1,335,307 bytes]. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 08:55, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

::That's a good question, but I really don't know the answer. I have a feeling that splitting it up a bit might be a good idea, but I dont know what our policy on page size is. 200kb is a lot to load on anything other than a high-speed connection. With the images, as you mentioned, it might be a bit much even for high-speed service. It might be smart to split it up or ask Andy. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])
:::OK. Would you please move the image as I requested to fix the spelling mistake? To reply to JDano, I considered dividing the article by topic area, but I don't want to do that because 1), that would be a lot of articles to maintain, and 2), some achievements could fall in multiple categories. For example, Trump's upcoming decision on the Paris Climate Agreement (which I hope he chooses to leave) could fall in the "environment," "foreign policy," and "government size/regulation" sections. Considering the other long articles, I might as well try to continue with my plan to make subpages by year rather than half-year, but if that's a bad descision, please tell me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:20, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

:: I was waiting until I could use a PC to move the file, but I've just done it. You should be able to categorize miles once they're uploaded, if you want. I don't know much about him I couldn't use precise categories. However, I have added some basic ones which will probably be sufficient. Probably keeping the page as it is is okay. It's a lot to download, but like you said, splitting it up would be complicated. Let me know if there's anything else I can do!--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:47, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

One unrelated thing: I have been removing unnecessary links added by TAR, but I want to be cautious in removing links and there are a few articles where I would like someone else to decide which links/cats to remove. The articles I'm thinking about are [[Oath Keepers]], [[Vow]], and [[American Patriots]]. It might also a good idea to check the categories of [[Conservative values]]. Would you please do these things? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

== Bye ==

It's been great knowing you. Are you from Chicago? I've never done well with people from Chicago before; they commit a lot of crime in my part of the state. If you are, it's good to meet a nicer, better-mouthed person from Chicago. Still, you're a great technician and I hope you can use that to bring this site to glory.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

User talk:Anglican

2017-06-04T20:33:19Z

Abcqwe: /* James Wilson */

{{welcome}}
:When creating articles, please add sources. I know that Greg Gutfeld is ''not'' an atheist (he is agnostic). Also, I have seen no sources stating that Jesse Watters is episcopalian. If you would provide a source, I would appreciate that. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:23, 2 May 2017 (EDT)
::I just added a source for Watters, while Gutfeld identifies as an "agnostic atheist" which in reality is just an atheist. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 22:27, 2 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Fair enough, but there is a difference between Gutfeld and a militant atheist like Richard Dawkins, and that should be noted by at least calling him an "agnostic atheist." --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:38, 2 May 2017 (EDT)
::::That is a good point. I hadn't thought of that, and it does provide a sense of nuance. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 22:58, 2 May 2017 (EDT)
 

Not to change to subject, but welcome! If you need anything or have any questions, let me know! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:13, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:What is a "500 Internal Server Error" and why do I periodically get one of these, and why is it such a laborious task to submit an edit? I'm just unsure of whether there is something wrong with my end or what else the issue could possibly be. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 18:00, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
::Those can happened when the server receives a great amount of traffic, and they are a reason I often, before submitting an edit, select the whole article and hit "Ctrl-C" to copy in case something doesn't work. I don't know of any cure for them. It's not your fault - otherwise it wouldn't be called an "''Internal'' Server Error."--[[User:Abcqwe|Abcqwe]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 18:07, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:::I see. Sorry if I'm not as computer literate as I should be: I'm still learning more about wiki formatting as well even though I learned the basics while I was on Wikipedia. Do you have any idea as well why whenever I want to send an edit that I have to answer one of the same five or so questions every time? My apologies if this is basic information, but I'm really trying to contribute to this encyclopedia.--[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 19:57, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

::::No apologies needed. That question is to verify you are a real person. Conservapedia receives a fair amount of attacks, both vandalism to simply harm the project, and spam to promote some other website or project. Since both of these are best done using automated programs and scripts, the question is there to make sure you can provide a logical answer. At some point as you contribute here, that requirement will probably be removed so you can simply submit the change without answering.
::::As for the server errors, Abcqwe is right. Sometimes heavy traffic is a kind of attack on the site (DDoS attack) and sometimes it can be just because it it being accessed non-maliciously by many users, bots, web crawlers, etc. If you wait a little bit, the problem should be resolved. Sometimes you can go for months without seeing that, other times it will happen numerous times each day. In any case, it is not your fault, and is effecting a number of people. Copying the text is always a good idea before submitting. However, if you forget to do that and get the error, try clicking your browser's "back" button. Some browsers such as [[Mozilla Firefox|Firefox]] and [[Vivaldi (web browser)|Vivaldi]] store the text temporally, so they will reload page and text. Then you can wait a couple minutes, and try submitting it again. It's not perfect, but it often works.
::::I hope these won't be too much of a problem for you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:47, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::I see! I've lived much of my life without a computer, so I have much to learn. It's unfortunate to hear about these attacks, so I understand the purpose of this mechanism. Although sometimes I provide a correct answer but it rejects it.--[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:32, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

::::::No problem--I'm interested in computers and have used them for a while, but am still learning as well. Feel free to ask if you have any specific questions, even if they do seem simple. If the challenge question does not accept the proper answer, you might want to mention it to [[User:Aschlafly]]. Give him the exact question and your answer--if he agrees, he will probably fix the problem. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:03, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

== What I've learned here ==

I'm sure by now you've figured the various things like the uses of asterisks to make bulleted lists, or number signs to make numbered lists (maybe), and the uses of apostrophes:
#Makin' contractions
#''Italic'' text
#'''Bold''' text
#''''Four apostrophes do this''''
#'''''Bold Italic Text'''''
Since you're new, and seem to want to be a good contributor, I'd like to tell you some of the most useful things I've learned about wiki-formatting. Maybe you know them, and that's fine - maybe not.
*A redirect from, say, "pop" to "soda" can be made by making a page, called "pop" with the contents, "#REDIRECT [[Soda]]" - if you add other lines, though, it doesn't work.
*If you want a new category, just make a page with the title Category:Bach Fugues (or whatever you want) with the word "Category" and the colon. It will collect all the articles with that tag automatically.
*You ''can'' make degrees symbols with a lowercase letter o in superscript, and make chemical formulas with subscript: H2O. However, degrees symbols look better with the symbol from the special characters menu,(90°) and I try to correct it when I can. Also, exponents that you need to combine in complex expressions can be made using math tags: instead of "x=sqrtx2", one can write <math>x=\sqrt{x^2}</math>.
*Fractions can be written in math tags like this: <math>\frac{2}{3}</math>
*This can be used to create more complex expressions: <math>\sin\frac{\pi}{60}=\sin 3^\circ=\frac{(2-\sqrt{12})\sqrt{5+\sqrt5}+(\sqrt{10}-\sqrt2)(\sqrt3+1)}{16}\,</math>. That piece I admit I copied from Wikipedia - which taught me that to use pi in math tags, I have to type \pi and not the true π symbol.
*Be sure to add a reflist template and category tags, and sometimes defaultsort, the purpose of which is to make things appear right in category pages when they are alphabetized, like DEFAULTSORT:Washington, George or DEFAULTSORT:Federalist Papers, The. These can be changed in the category tags, so that on the article for George Washington can appear under "W" in the U.S. Presidents category, but under "G" in any category of people named Washington.
*Tables are made like the one below. Adding "class = "wikitable"" can make table lines appear.
*Using <nowiki><nowiki></nowiki> tags can help when explaining a wiki's features.--[[User:Abcqwe|Abcqwe]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 20:49, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
{|
!Name
!Address
!Phone Number
|-
|John Smith
|123 Main Street
|555-1234
|-
|Jane Jones
|456 First Street
|555-5678
|}
:I learned some of this during my time as a Wikipedia editor, but I'm always desiring to learn more about formatting and other topics. It is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 20:58, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

== Sources ==

Hello Anglican, thank you for your articles and edits, but I've noticed that you do not add sources. For example, your article [[Catholic-lite]] is good, but it could use sources, particularly to show that this article is a common term as the article claims. I encourage you to add good sources to those articles and any other big changes you made. Adding sources is Commandment #2 in [[Conservapedia:Commandments]], and it really does help in creating good, high-quality articles. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:38, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
:I see. My mistake since I've read quite a few articles without sources on here, and during my Wikipedia days, some people insisted upon sources for even the most common of knowledge. However, my edit to [[Hollywood values]] should not include sources because this is a family friendly encyclopedia, right? In addition, the stand up show where Williams originated the term Catholic-lite contains profanities. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 22:47, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
::If you can find sources criticizing these things, that would be the best. If you need to cite a source that would not be appropriate for children, you can always note that in the reference. However, I don't see any reason why you cannot cite the TV show and the episode and etc. It's always good to know where you got the info, even if it may be inappropriate for children. As I already stated, you can always say that the source is inappropriate, and in the case of citing a TV show, it's not like you have to privide a link. Just a good cite.
::Regarding other CP articles, yes, it is unfortunate that many editors do not bother adding sources. I think not including sources is bad for CP (or any encyclopedia). I think every editor should show the reader where they got their information. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:57, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Would you please, at least, add the websites of the university articles you are creating? Thanks. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:37, 11 May 2017 (EDT)
::::Yes. These articles are still in progress. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 22:39, 11 May 2017 (EDT)

== New Template ==

Hello. I'd just like to inform you that it would be greatly beneficial if you were to assist on working on the following newly created template;
{{Bible Cities}}

This template was created less than a week ago, and is an attempt to record all the biblical cities of the Old and New Testaments. It would be helpful if you, and other fellow editors at Conservapedia, were to assist in creating articles describing these biblical cities. If you are willing to start making some of these pages, but are not exactly sure how to approach the task, I'd suggest looking at [[Rhegium]] or [[Beeroth]], two very (very) recent pages created by myself ([[Shaaraim]] is another good example) to get a good understanding at how this thing should be done. If you're willing to go above and beyond, take a look at the page [[Amphipolis]], perhaps the best biblical city page to date. Just to note, this request is optional and you may help out on your own volition.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 23:30, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
:Duly noted. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 21:03, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

== Vandalism ==

Thanks for keeping after vandals today! I just wanted to mention a couple things.
#Admins have tools to facilitate the removal of vandalism. If you see it happening, you can revert the damage sooner, but you don't need to stress about reverting it all, either. Nonetheless, I appreciate that you were, since his efforts didn't even last a minute. Just don't feel obligated to do that.
#When a vandal is on the loose, feel free to tell me. The best way would be to send me a text message, which you can do using a link on my user page. Of course, you are not obligated to do this either, but if you do, I might be able to block them sooner. Then again, I may be busy or unable to receive your message, so it may not help. In any case, it can't hurt.
#Thanks again! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:39, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks for the info. Although I think my reversions kept him from progressing because he did more pages when I lagged.--[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 21:01, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
:Also, do you think the TS article should be protected from editing?--[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 21:08, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
::Yes, it seems that was working!
::I'm starting to think short-term protection for TS might be in order. Maybe locking it for a week would help. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:15, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Good call, go for it. If it deters him from vandalizing the page, all the better. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 21:17, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
::::Seems like a good idea although I have absolutely no idea why he keeps attacking that page. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 21:22, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::I think the right thing, if a checkuser operation suggests it, is an IP block. His ''modus operandi'' is to feign obsession with Taylor Swift. A long time ago, after the grownups (of which I was one) banned him from Ameriwiki, he created another wiki, spoofing ours, creating and then preemptively blocking accounts of said grownups, and plastering huge pictures of Joseph Stalin and Taylor Swift on the main page. With a caption indicating that Mr. Stalin (who died in 1953) was in love with Ms. Swift (who was born in 1989). That's the kind of person we are dealing with. Basically he's saying "Hey, everybody! Remember me, the guy who trashes wikis with incredibly childish vandalism, and basically acts like a moron? And pretends to be obsessed with Taylor Swift? I'm back!"
:::::The right thing to do is be sure he gets blocked and stays blocked. If that is done it won't be necessary to protect the Taylor Swift page. And if it isn't done, there may be a lot of vandalism to a lot of pages.
:::::I actually had an extended email dialog with him about 4-1/2 years ago. He told me at the time that he was suffering from serious health problems. I'm glad things are going better for him. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:55, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::Well, I think that the TS article should be protected if this crazy man comes back because it sounds like he's rather unhinged. I'm not sure why he'd come here if it was other sites he was involved with, but either way his main target seemed to be the TS article.--[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:53, 15 May 2017 (EDT)

::::::Perhaps, but I generally don't support long-term protection. It doesn't stop vandals, it just redirect them to other pages.
::::::This guy might have been discouraged by timely temporary protection. However, I don't think the pages should be permanently protected. F.Y.I., Ameriwiki was, as I understand it, <strike>the precursor to CP</strike>. SamHB explained it to me once, but unfortunately I've forgotten the details since. I'll see if I can find his post of that from a year or so ago to me. You could ask him, though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:49, 15 May 2017 (EDT)
First, I don't think the page should be protected. This guy probably won't come back, and there are lots of pages for lots of people to vandalize. That's why so many people have vandalism-stopping block powers.

:Nononono, Ameriwiki wasn't a precursor to Conservapedia. It was created by refugees from CP; think of it as "conservatism without the obsession with bestiality and obesity". But we took ourselves too seriously, and there wasn't much of a market on the internet for seriously trying to preserve that which is good about society. There are way too many web sites like that. Making fun of CP, which is what RW was about, was way more fun. They were so successful that they branched out into making fun of all sorts of things, and are trying to get away from just ridiculing CP. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:41, 15 May 2017 (EDT)

::OH! Well I got that considerably wrong then--thanks for the correction. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:46, 15 May 2017 (EDT)
:::I see! I had suggested protection because I had to revert that article several times before he was finally blocked. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 00:22, 16 May 2017 (EDT)

== Talk:Main Page reversion ==

Hello Anglican, I see that you reverted a user on [[Talk:Main Page]] who was promoting liberal views. While I appreciate your edit, we do allow people with leftist views to comment on the talk pages, so long as their comments are not inappropriate and as long as they do not cause vandalism. If they make many edits, and most of those edits are talk page comments, per [[Conservapedia:90/10 rule]], then we will block them. I hope this helps! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:56, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
:I thought mockery/trolling was forbidden. I'm just trying to help out in any way thatI can. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 22:29, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
::That's a fair point. I guess this case was just more questionable. RobS apparently disagreed with you, and he apparently wanted to discuss the whole thing anyway, so I guess it's safe to let it be. I appreciate your help, however! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:35, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

== Elvis Presley ==

Why are you deleting articles and making them redirect? I see no reason to do so, and ''at least'', you should discuss it with an admin. I recommend undoing the redirects that once were articles and discussing it with an admin like Andy, Conservative, or Karajou. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:50, 18 May 2017 (EDT)
:Personally, I think it's nice and compacts the encyclopedia. I've moved all the lost information to the [[Elvis Presley]] page.--Nathan--[[User:Abcqwe|Abcqwe]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 19:51, 18 May 2017 (EDT)
::I'm trying to streamline the articles, and when I try to suggest things on talk pages they sometimes get ignored so I'm just thinking that doing it and correcting it in the case of error may be the best approach. I really don't think so many subpages with little different to offer from the main article is clean and may be confusing to readers. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 19:54, 18 May 2017 (EDT)
::I was originally in favor of more subpages, but I think that all these articles on Elvis need to be streamlined because most of the information is already in the main article anyway, or at least moving it to one of the main subarticles. Three or so subarticles is fine, and an article on each movie is fine, but so many subarticles that differ little from the main article is unnecessary. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 19:51, 18 May 2017 (EDT)
::I think I've finished streamlining the articles. Maybe soon the main article can be trimmed a bit and the subarticles can be expanded upon, but I've merged a lot of the articles since there were really far too many. If there are any objections, please do let me know. As a relatively new editor, I'm still learning how to do things, so please bear with me.--[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 21:09, 18 May 2017 (EDT)

== James Wilson ==

I can't believe the vandal has been terrorizing you - but of course, some people monitor the Recent changes feed (I do) and he's likely mad for what happened to his articles. Don't let him get to you - remember that is he is just hateful, he is going to hate, and you have to ... shake 'em off ... shake 'em off.----[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 20:56, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
:By the way, I'm going to bed now - I'm on EST and have a chemistry final in the morning - so if RonnieDrake turns out to be a vandal, I won't be here to block him.----[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 20:59, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
::It is much appreciated. He seems mad about the merger of those articles now? Good luck with your final! --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 21:07, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
:::He's certainly mad - when you made so many articles into redirects, he though we were losing information, and it's like you stepped on his blue suede shoes. But he's nothing but a hound dog, and you needn't worry.
:::I know the reply was unnecessary, but I wanted to make the Elvis jokes.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 06:35, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
::::Good luck with him - I get the impression that you're a bit young, maybe even my age, and a bit afraid. Still, he's not a reason to stop editing.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

Winchester Cathedral

2017-06-04T19:59:45Z

Abcqwe: getting into recent changes

[[File:800px-WinCath30Je6-4836wiki.jpg|thumb|300px|Winchester Cathedral]]
:''This article refers to the cathedral. There is yet no article for the song by the New Vaudeville Band, but it can be created [[Winchester Cathedral (song)|here]].''

'''Winchester Cathedral''' is the [[Cathedral]] of the city of [[Winchester]]. It is the longest medieval cathedral in Europe.<ref>http://www.winchester-cathedral.org.uk</ref>

*The cathedral, or one of its incarnations since Winchester became a bishopric in 662, is the final resting place of various [[Saxon]] kings, of the [[Danish]] king [[Canute]] in 1035, as well as [[William Rufus]] after his death in the nearby [[New Forest]] in 1100.
*The current building dates from 1079, however the shrine was destroyed during the [[Dissolution of the Monasteries]] during the [[Reformation]] and a new one only dedicated in 1962.
*The marriage of Queen [[Mary I]] (Bloody Mary) with Prince Philip of Spain took place in the cathedral on 25 July 1554.
*Henry [[Beaufort]] was buried in Winchester Cathedral in 1447.
*Izaak Walton, famous for his '''The Compleat Angler'' was buried there in 1683
*[[Jane Austen]], who wrote ''Pride and Prejudice'' amongst other works, was buried there in 1817.

== References ==
{{Reflist}}

== External links ==
* [http://www.winchester-cathedral.org.uk/ Official website of the Winchester Cathedral]

[[Category:Winchester]]
[[Category:Architecture]]
[[Category:Christianity]]
[[Category:Cathedrals]]
[[Category:Places of Worship]]
[[Category:Tourist Attractions]]

User:SamHB

2017-06-04T18:44:21Z

Abcqwe: /* Early March, 2016, I get blocked, and then weird things happen */ You aren't the only one to whom weird things happen.

Archives: [[User:SamHB/Archive 2|2]] [[User:SamHB/Archive 3|3]] [[User:SamHB/Archive 4|4]]

 
<center>NO-CLAPTRAP ZONE</center>

<center>THIS USER HAS ZERO TOLERANCE FOR NONSENSE </center>

I also have zero tolerance for
*Idiotic behavior.
*Sycophancy. I note in particular those people that try to take Andy's side in controversies over relativity, but run away when asked questions that require actual understanding of the subject. It's really very transparent. I've developed good "spider sense" on this issue. More on this topic below.
*Childish behavior. Children should be seen and not <s>heard</s> given block authority.

So here are some essays that eschew claptrap:

*[[Essay:Rebuttal to Counterexamples to Relativity]]
*[[Essay:Rebuttal to Attempts to prove E=mc²]]
*[[Essay:Rebuttal to Logical Flaws in E%3Dmc²]]
*[[Essay:Rebuttal to Biblical scientific foreknowledge]]
*[[Essay:Rebuttal to the "Calming the Storm" essay]]
*[[Essay:Rebuttal to Counterexamples to an Old Earth]]
*[[Essay:Commentary on Conservapedia's article on the second law of thermodynamics]]

<center>'''Anyone who wants to contact me may do so at sam4557@gmail.com.'''</center>

 

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==America==
::''This little bit of patriotism was inspired by a [http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:SamHB#A_liberal_is_wanted_for_an_online_dialogue recent discussion on my talk page].''
::''The reader's attention is particularly drawn to the last two lines of the second stanza.''

:O beautiful for spacious skies,
:For amber waves of grain,
:For purple mountain majesties
:Above the fruited plain!
:America! America!
:God shed His grace on thee
:And crown thy good with brotherhood
:From sea to shining sea!
 
:O beautiful for pilgrim feet,
:Whose stern, impassioned stress
:A thoroughfare for freedom beat
:Across the wilderness!
:America! America!
:God mend thine every flaw,
:Confirm thy soul in self-control,
:Thy liberty in law!
 
:O beautiful for heroes proved
:In liberating strife,
:Who more than self their country loved
:And mercy more than life!
:America! America!
:May God thy gold refine,
:Till all success be nobleness,
:And every gain divine!
 
:O beautiful for patriot dream
:That sees beyond the years
:Thine alabaster cities gleam
:Undimmed by human tears!
:America! America!
:God shed His grace on thee
:And crown thy good with brotherhood
:From sea to shining sea!

==People who write about relativity but don't know what they are talking about==
I occasionally run into people wishing to weigh in on relativity, opposing it. This of course sets off my sycophancy alarm. They seem to be agreeing with Andy with very little understanding of the topic. When asked for an explanation, they typically run away. To be clear, Andy is the only person I know of that can communicate relativity denial with any degree of effectiveness or erudition; all others that I have seen are either sycophants, vandals, or just plain troublemakers. (Though I'm openminded enough to allow that another articulate relativity denier could show up in the future.)

Arguments for or against relativity are conducted at a rather sophisticated level here at Conservapedia. The topic is not for amateurs.

Here is my homework assignment for people wishing to join the anti-relativity bandwagon. Read the following articles:
*[[Theory of relativity]]
*[[Talk:Theory of relativity]]
*[[General theory of relativity]]
*[[E=mc²]]
*[[Talk:E=mc²]]
*[[Talk:E=mc²/Archive 1]]
*[[Talk:E=mc²/Archive 2]]
*[[Counterexamples to Relativity]]
*[[Talk:Counterexamples to Relativity]]
*[[Talk:Counterexamples to Relativity/archive2]]
*[[Essay:Rebuttal to Counterexamples to Relativity]]
*[[Talk:Essay:Rebuttal to Counterexamples to Relativity]]
*[[Attempts to prove E=mc²]]
*[[Talk:Attempts to prove E=mc²]]
*[[Essay:Rebuttal to Attempts to prove E=mc²]]
*[[Logical Flaws in E=mc²]]
*[[Talk:Logical Flaws in E=mc²]]   This one is particularly recommended for showing what happens when someone gets involved in the topic while being totally out of his depth.
*[[Essay:Rebuttal to Logical Flaws in E=mc²]]
*[[User talk:Aschlafly/Archive56]]
*[[User talk:Aschlafly/Archive59]]
*[[User talk:Aschlafly/Archive60]]
*[[Community Portal/Archive 1]]
*[[Cockcroft and Walton Experiment]]
*[[Talk:Cockcroft and Walton Experiment]]
*[[Nuclear transmutation]]
*[[Quantitative Analysis of Alpha Decay]]
*[[Talk:Essay:Quantifying Openmindedness]]
*[[Debate:What is the exponent of r in Newtonian gravity?]]
*[http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special_relativity/space,_time,_and_the_Lorentz_transform Lecture 1 from Wikiversity]
*[http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special_relativity/momentum Lecture 2 from Wikiversity]
*[http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special_relativity/energy Lecture 3 from Wikiversity]
*[http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special_relativity/E_%3D_mc%C2%B2 Lecture 4 from Wikiversity]
*[http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special_relativity/spacetime_diagrams_and_vectors Lecture 5 from Wikiversity]

==I would really love to see [[User:Conservative]] slowly and painfully burn==
his opponents in a debate.

Unfortunately, I'm not likely to see that, in view of his appalling lack of skill at convincing people that he is worth debating. Perhaps the most recent example is his page [[Essay: Debate challenge to new atheist Kyle Kulinski]]. Mr. Kulinski has made it very clear, in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39xlPMs3Obk this] video, that he will not debate anyone at Conservapedia, and has no respect for the way the admins marshall their arguments.

There are other instances of Cons backing out when people were willing to debate him (I was actually involved in one of these.) Perhaps the most famous case was one in which a person offered to donate 12,500 British pounds to a Christian charity, but Cons backed out. The web site on which this took place cannot be named here, but one can Google the exact phrase "actually laughable collections"

While Cons's debating and general rhetorical skill are appalling, there is one tactic that he is exceptionally good at—lifting quotes out of context. Probably the best example of this is the article [[Essay:_Atheist_PZ_Myers:_"I_despair_over_atheism_as_I_watch_it_burn...".]] This is, like so many of his other articles and essays, really just a collection of links to other of his articles. But it has an illustration showing a burning house, the same caption as the article itself: "Atheist PZ Myers: 'I despair over atheism as I watch it burn...'".

What's in that ellipsis? Well, there is an external reference to [http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2016/01/30/feminism-isnt-a-side-issue-it-is-a-central-issue-in-any-movement-with-a-pretense-to-rationalism/ this] article at PZ Myers' "Pharyngula" blog. The actual quote from that article was "I despair over atheism, as I watch it burn away allies and embrace the default attitude of patronizing bro-ness." It seems to be about feminism and PZ Myers' atheism. Or something. It's actually quite boring, like most of his writing, and I haven't read it.

But taking the phrase "watch it [atheism] burn away allies" and turning it into "watch it burn" is the most astonishing act of quoting out of context that I have ever seen.

== Reinhold Niebuhr Quote (well, paraphrase)==

{{cquote|God grant me the serenity to accept the things that are above the table of contents, the courage to change the things that are below it, and the wisdom to know the difference}}

What does that refer to? It refers to the fact that someone recently added some sycophantic rubbish to the [[Second Law of Thermodynamics]] page. Fortunately, it was above the TOC, so I didn't have to move it. Unfortunately (fortunately, actually) AugustO is even less patient with nonsense than I am.

==Never asked God for forgiveness?==

{{Cquote|So help me understand why you thought God could use a man who’d said he’d never asked God for forgiveness, who serially committed adultery, who said he could grab women by the genitals, who cheated contractors and workers ... [who] didn’t even know how to say “Second Corinthians,” which he called “Two Corinthians,” and when asked for his favorite Bible verse struggled to name one until he landed on “an eye for an eye.” And you know what Jesus said about that one.|||Susan M. Shaw, Oregon State University}}

==Bible verse, Matthew 6:19-21==

{{cquote|Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.}}

==Bible verse, Matthew 25:34-36==

{{cquote|Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me, I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.}}

==Bible verse, Galatians 6:7==

{{cquote|Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.}}

==Bible verse, Matthew 23:12==

{{cquote|And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.}}

==Late August, 2016, Do ants harvest? Do snakes hear?==

I don't know. I have no expertise in this field.

==Early March, 2016, I get blocked, and then weird things happen==

I was blocked by my friend, after replacing an incredibly asinine page with a delete notice. The original block was for one week, extended an hour later to two weeks. The next day the same person, after apparently being [[taken to the woodshed]], unblocked me. (I nevertheless stayed away for three weeks.) This person then (perhaps after advice given in the woodshed) went to considerable lengths to inform me that the block had been lifted.

He left a note on my talk page:

:== I shortened your block. ==

:I shortened your block. You are now unblocked. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:53, 8 March 2016 (EST)

And he sent me an email, to my sam4557@gmail.com account (which he had never used before):
-----
:Delivered-To: sam4557@gmail.com
:Received: by ******** with HTTP; Tue, 8 Mar 2016 11:17:09 -0800 (PST)
:Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 14:17:09 -0500
:Subject: re: You have been unblocked at Conservapedia
:From: "********" <********>
:To: sam4557@gmail.com

:Dear Sam,

:I unblocked you at Conservapedia.

:Sincerely,

:User: Conservativie
-----
(He often types his own user name incorrectly.)

And another note on my talk page, to be sure I see it, in case I don't check the sam4557 mail very often:

:== I sent you an email and... ==

:SamHB,

:I sent you an email.

:Second, let me know when you get this message. {{unsigned|Conservative}}

To which I left this reply: (All this was taking place on my talk page at the time, later moved here to my user page.)

::See my user page. {{unsigned|SamHB}}

I no longer remember exactly what reply was referenced.

Then, a few weeks later, things got quite weird. He sent me 3 more emails:
-----
:Delivered-To: sam4557@gmail.com
:Received: by ******** with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2016 15:07:44 -0700 (PDT)
:Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 18:07:44 -0400
:Subject: re: talk page post
:From: "********" <********>
:To: Sam Becker <sam4557@gmail.com>

:SamHB.

:Do you have Skype? If so, we can talk about the TAR matter.

:If you have a Skype account, what is your Skype name?

:Sincerely,

:User: Conservative
-----
:Delivered-To: sam4557@gmail.com
:Received: by ******** with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2016 17:07:39 -0700 (PDT)
:Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 20:07:39 -0400
:Subject: Re: talk page post
:From: "********" <********>
:To: Sam Becker <sam4557@gmail.com>

:Sam,

:I was hoping that you would get the email soon given that I have some free time tonight.

:But since you didn't get the email soon, there is no need for the Skype call. I think the TAR matter will be settled via the talk pages.
-----
:Delivered-To: sam4557@gmail.com
:Received: by ******** with HTTP; Sat, 2 Apr 2016 19:12:47 -0700 (PDT)
:Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 22:12:47 -0400
:Subject: Re: talk page post
:From: "********" <********>
:To: Sam Becker <sam4557@gmail.com>

:I see you are active editing again.

:Do you have a Skype name you wish to share? I am free to Skype a bit tonight.
-----
and left another note on my talk page about this:
::I see you are editing again. Recheck your email. I sent you another email message. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:17, 2 April 2016 (EDT)

I indirectly replied to all this on this user page (search above for "behind the curve") stating that I do not use Skype. I never replied to any of this by email.

Then this appeared on my talk page:

:== The prank that never happened ==

:As you know, I/we recently invited you to Skype call about a matter.

:Second, I know you are skeptical that the User: Conservative account has been used by more than one editor (despite the evidence to the contrary. Evidence that a website which has devotees of CP noted).

[He really likes to misspell user names, by putting in a blank, perhaps to make them unclickable/unpasteable.]

:Well, the Skype call was going to employ voice changing software so the voice of User: Conservativetism would be many. With proper notice, the various editors of User: Conservatism could have spoken to you via a Skype group/conference call. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:09, 3 April 2016 (EDT)

[And this time it's "User:Conservativetism".]

Wait! He was going to use some kind of "voice changing software" to rig up a Skype conference call with me in order to "prove" that he is multiple people?????? Really?
----
:Hey, he asked me via talk page to e-mail him and then via e-mail to Skype him. What you suppose he's doing? He asked 1990'sguy the same thing, I believe.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 14:44, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

==Early December, 2015, On the Curious Matter of Sex With Horses==

I'm not an expert in poetry, atheist or otherwise, but I found [[Atheist poetry]], and its talk page, to be a welcome contrast from most of the topics Cons<ref>User Conservative, affectionately called "Cons"</ref> writes about. Cons got into a spirited discussion of the topic with [[User:JohnSelway]] and [[User:JohnZ]] on the [[Talk:Atheist poetry|talk page]]. So I congratulated him on his good taste in this matter, with a note on that talk page. But I also expressed disappointment that he had seemingly grown tired of the poetry topic, and had gone back to writing about bestiality.

At about that time, he went on an editing binge, making 43 edits on the subjects of "Atheism and bestiality" or horses, including the creation of the article [[Essay: I say NAAAAAY to atheism and evolutionism!]], complete with a picture of a horse, which clearly suggests a particular interest in the topic of sex with horses.

For some inexplicable reason, Cons moved my comment to the talk page for [[Atheism and bestiality]], and wrote a long reply about bestiality.

Not having [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AEpistle_to_the_Hebrews_%28Translated%29&action=historysubmit&diff=1183335&oldid=1183317 VargasMilan's vocabulary], I am at a loss for words to express how revolting I find that topic, and Cons's extensive writing about bestiality in general. Conservapedia was originally intended as a learning resource for home-school students, presumably in the junior high and high school age range. Everyone is encouraged to watch [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvT5YuDovHI this video] to see Conservapedia's original mission, as explained by Andy Schlafly himself.

Now, to reply to Cons's remarks:

:>> SamHB, because you are an evolutionist and a defender of evolutionary pseudoscience ...
I prefer the term "one who accepts the overwhelming scientific evidence for evolution". And I don't recognize the term "evolutionary pseudoscience". Sorry.

:>> (along with holding to liberal theology which often tends to be anti-supernatural in character)
I believe I pointed out to you, at [[User talk:SamHB#Daily Beast evolution article]], the significance of a comma in distinguishing a "restrictive clause" from a "nonrestrictive clause". By not using a comma after "theology", you are saying that, of all liberal theologies, I hold to one of those that "often tends to be anti-supernatural in character". You're right; I do. But perhaps you meant to say that ''all'' liberal theologies often tend to be anti-supernatural in character. If that is what you meant, you should have used a comma.

:>> I can understand why the evolutionary belief and bestiality and Atheism and bestiality articles are upsetting to you
No, those articles don't upset me at all, except insofar as they make a mockery of Conservapedia's goals.

:>> especially since you cannot find a single factual error in these articles.
We've been through this before, relating to various other things you've written. Find a factual error? I can hardly find a coherent sentence!

==Mid-October, 2015, another vape-a-thon by Cons, over Pat Tillman==
Disclaimer: I am not familiar with the case of Pat Tillman, except that it was apparently a tragic friendly-fire battlefield death in Afghanistan. I have absolutely no information on whether he was an atheist, and apparently no one at Conservapedia does either.

But that didn't stop Cons from getting really worked up in a giant kerfuffle with some people (mostly user "Ebionite") over whether he was an atheist. Now Ebionite was obviously a troll, and a foul-mouthed one at that, and deserved to be blocked. But he really got Cons worked up. Cons vaped (oversighted, "burned the evidence") the discussion '''23 times in 51 minutes'''. I didn't save the stuff (I no longer log Cons's goings-on in detail) but the gist of the argument was the idea that Tillman could not have been an atheist because Cons knows that "No atheist would do [XYZ]." All this in spite of statements by ''people that knew Mr. Tillman personally.''

Sorry Cons, but whether someone is an atheist does not depend on, and is in fact totally unrelated to, '''what goes on inside YOUR head'''. And the fact that you say "there are no good reasons to be an atheist" does not mean that there are no atheists in the world. It just means that you have not thought this through. There are atheists in this world. I know a number of them.

==September 23, 2015, in which Cons leaves a note on my talk page about "User: Math" and then vapes it==
Oh, Cons! Bad, naughty Cons! You left a note for me, and then vaped it. (You did the same on VargasMilan's talk page, telling him that you had sent him an email.) In fact, you've been doing an enormous amount of vaping lately. One might wonder whether this is because you are starting to be embarrassed about how many tiny edits it takes for you to say something. As I believe I told you elsewhere, the fix for that is to compose what you want to say in an editor, think about it, polish it into the form you want, and ''then'' upload it. I believe you said at about the same time that you were going to vape ("oversight") things more, in order to keep the Recent Changes log from getting so cluttered. Well, I'm sure you've noticed that, with the new wiki software, acts of vaping are even ''more'' visible than they were before. It just makes the problem ''worse''. I'd suggest that you go back to just editing the way you used to. The bean-counters over at ritionalwaki will continue doing their thing, of course.

By the way, you shouldn't ever revert, much less vape, things on talk pages, ''especially'' users' talk pages. Talk pages should simply be archived. And I think that vaping another user's talk page is particularly rude. I wouldn't be surprised if VargasMilan was offended by what you did. (Actually, I would be surprised, since his notions of proper behavior seem to be different from mine.)

Now, getting to the issue at hand, you told me about a user called "User: Math". Complete with the space after the colon that you so charmingly like to put into these things. You apparently thought I would be interested in what such a person had to say, presumably because you know that I am interested in mathematics. A quick check (removing the space, of course) showed that there is no such user at Conservapedia. You gave a web URL. I went there, and, sure enough, there is a user called "Math". So I looked around at his profile and contributions. I found [http://forum.bible-discussion.com/entry.php?1620-Does-God-Exist-Atheism-vs-Theism-vs-Agnosticism this] and [http://forum.bible-discussion.com/member.php?9587-Math&s=932a57f409ec5e0414ca90f01b6e6fc0 this (his profile)] and [http://forum.bible-discussion.com/entry.php?1148-Homosexuality-and-the-Bible this]. When I got to the last one, I thought "Aha! I understand it now! '''This''' is why Cons is interested in this guy. Homosexuality and the Bible."

Unfortunately, I found no connection at all with mathematics in anything that I saw, though I admit I didn't look into every nook and cranny. You apparently thought I'd be interested in what someone with a screen name of "Math" would say. But no, I'm not interested in a fundamentalist crackpot who just happens to have chosen the name "Math" as his screen name on a crackpot backwater blog, and writes not about math but about homosexuality and the Bible.

Then you also indicated that this person might have something to teach me about the [[Generalized linear model]]. So I went and refreshed my memory about this. As I recall, you once tried to win an argument (Evolution, Atheism? Who cares?) with someone by telling him that he needed to know more about the generalized linear model. And yet your edits to that article were little more than links to the statsoft web site, and showed no actual knowledge of the topic. I called you out on this, and challenged you to a debate on the subject. I was actually quite specific in one of my challenges, suggesting that we could give each other some data sets to analyze. My intention was, of course, to find out whether you knew anything about the algorithm that begins with L-M. Fortunately for you, your bunny-hole was close by.

In any case, no, I don't think user "Math" at the bible discussion forum web site has anything to say to me on the subject of the generalized linear model. But my debate offer still stands. One thing you might do, short of a debate but still demonstrating some degree of mathematical erudition, would be to edit the Generalized linear model page and say, in your own words, what binomial distributions and Poisson distributions are.

==Early September, 2015, in which Cons exhibits his expertise in computer network behavior, gets shot down, and then claims he is right and asks me to apologize==

The exchange is [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&action=historysubmit&diff=1170098&oldid=1169987 here].

Conservapedia's server experienced a serious storm of sporadic server outages. Cons weighed in with the advice "get a faster browser", and was totally shot down by knowledgeable people—AugustO, Bringreaganback, MelH, and myself. I explained in great detail why Cons's theories were incorrect. Cons thrashed around for a bit, and then cited an article in [https://askleo.com/whats_an_internal_server_error_and_how_do_i_fix_it/ the "askleo" web site]. He attempted to make that web site seem authoritative by citing its Alexa rank of about 25,000. This isn't necessary; any technically literate person can look at the web site and see for himself that Leo knows what he is talking about. Alexa ranks don't make a site more authoritative. And that's a good thing, because Conservapedia's rank is about 105,000. (By the way, ritionalwaki's rank is about 23,000, a little better than askleo.)

Leo says that he is very familiar with the error. In the article, he ''repeatedly'' says that it's a server error, not affected by anything the user might do. Finally, in the "some straws to grasp at" section, he mentions some things that a user might do, including trying a different (not faster; different) browser. But he makes clear that those are very far-fetched scenarios.
::::''In late January, Cons changed the phrase "including trying a different (not faster; different) browser", from the paragraph above, to use boldface and a large font, and gave the edit comment "VICTORY". I am baffled by this. The "askleo" site mentioned using a different browser, not a faster one; what Cons had suggested was a faster browser. He still seems confused about browser speed and server errors. Why he considers it a victory to call attention to this confusion by putting it in boldface and a large font is a mystery.''

So, no, Cons. There is no need for me to apologize.

Now one of the things that I pointed out in the exchange was that Cons was writing "word salad" (or should I say "file attribute salad") in what he wrote. The attribute specification that he gave, "-rwxr-", makes no sense, and does not appear in the page that he cites. I suggest that this "calls into question the veracity of Cons's internet research on other topics as well." The significance of this is that it shows that Cons ''can't even cut-and-paste accurately from another web page.'' He just makes things up. Why does that call his veracity on other topics into question? Because he writes very prolifically on a number of subjects (atheism, homosexuality, bestiality, Richard Dawkins, etc), pretending to back up what he is saying with references to things on the internet. I rarely look at the cited articles; I just take Cons's word for it that the person said that. And I'm not an expert on these topics (especially bestiality). I have to take the author's word for it. But if Cons just makes things up, I can't.

Postscript: In late September, Cons added a note to Talk:Main_Page, thanking Andy for fixing the sporadic outage problem, and pointing out that he no longer gets the errors. The rest of us had noticed that things were working normally weeks earlier. For some reason, Cons must have had second thoughts about his note, because he vaped it. In fact, he committed 8 acts of vaping of this page in late September, some of them probably to other people's edits; I didn't note them in time. One of the vapings was of a routine archiving.

PostPostscript: At 12:59, 26 September, Cons put the note thanking Andy back in again, this time on Andy's talk page.

==March, 2015, On the Curious Matter of Putting ''Ferris Bueller's Day Off'' in italics==

At 15:04, 28 March, [[User:ConsMovies]] made an edit to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Greatest_Conservative_Movies&diff=prev&oldid=1142798 the "Greatest Conservative Movies" page] correcting the italicization of the title of ''Ferris Bueller's Day Off'', along with 3 other movies (''The Goonies'', ''God's Not Dead'', and ''Man of Steel''.) Cons blocked him 1 minute later. ConsMovies' edits in general were of a somewhat provocative and snarky nature, but movie titles are generally in italics on that page, and his edit was correct. Cons reverted the edit 3 minutes after that, so that those movie titles are no longer in italics.

I complained about this on Andy's talk page on March 12. There was a long discussion on this topic, as seen [http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive59#ConsMovies here].

An interesting (to me, at least, as a "Cons-watcher") thing to note about that discussion is that, from looking at the history log, Cons twice '''burned down (completely deleted) Andy Schlafly's talk page, and recreated it''', once at 23:21, 12 March, and once at 14:21, 13 March! He had apparently made some edits that he realized were inappropriate, and needed to cover his tracks. He has since then learned to use more sophisticated techniques to "vape" embarrassing material.

As of this writing, the errors in the 4 movie titles are still there!

:Breaking news: At 22:03, 7 February 2016, the page finally got fixed. Congratulations to [[User:Northwest]].

==A note on the second law of thermodynamics==

There seems to be a good deal of confusion and unclear writing in the article.

The subject of thermodynamics, including the second law, was well established during the 19th century, by such people as Carnot, Gibbs, Clausius, Clapeyron, Maxwell, Helmholtz, and Thompson (Lord Kelvin). This long predates the advent of quantum mechanics. The subject of statistical mechanics, and the "randomness" or "uncertainty" were well understood. It does not depend on the uncertainty (the "Heisenberg uncertainty principle") of quantum mechanics.

There are two generally recognized types of "perpetual motion machine." A "perpetual motion machine of the first kind", which is what people generally mean when they use this term, is one that violates conservation of energy. Since the first law of thermodynamics is just conservation of energy, such a machine would violate the first law.

Such a perpetual motion machine is generally taken to mean one that actively gives out nonzero energy (you can see ads for these things on the internet<ref>http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/</ref><ref>http://www.fuellesspower.com/</ref><ref>http://www.magniwork.com/</ref>), rather than one that simply holds its own, even though a machine that holds its own, that is, never runs down, could obviously be considered a "perpetual motion machine."

Entities that hold their own and never run down actually do exist. Atoms are examples of them. The electrons orbiting the nucleus, if they are in their ground state, never stop. They never lose energy at all. (OK, the fact that they never lose energy depends on quantum mechanics, and I said above that quantum mechanics isn't involved, but the radiation from accelerating charges was unknown when thermodynamics was formulated.) Other things that never stop are quantum-mechanical harmonic oscillators, and gas molecules in their random motion. The latter was central to the kinetic theory that led to the development of thermodynamics. That is, the people developing thermodynamics were aware of the perpetual, never running down, nature of gas molecules. They postulated, correctly, that gas molecule collisions are perfectly elastic and never lose energy. They really are "perpetual motion machines."

The second law of thermodynamics relates to a more obscure fictional device, a "perpetual motion machine of the second kind." This would be something that violates the second law by causing heat to travel, without introduction of energy from an external source, from a colder body to a warmer one. In fact, it can be shown (and was shown in the 19th century), that any heat engine more efficient than that required by Carnot's law is impossible, because it would permit the construction of a machine that moved heat from a colder body to a warmer one.

From looking at the edit history of the article, there seems to be something of an edit war involving an insistence that the impossibility of a perpetual motion machine be described using the word "derail". This is an extremely unhelpful word, suggesting a similarity with a railroad train running off its tracks, and seems to be an attempt to evoke the commonsense notion of macroscopic mechanical devices wearing out due to friction. The second law is actually very clear in what it states and does not state. The article also muddies the thinking by including a folksy and cute, but woefully imprecise, layman's description by a famous science fiction author. While it is true that a person's room will tend to get messy if not attended to, and shuffling a deck of cards leads to more disorder, this is related to statistics, and involves an entropy change that is utterly minuscule compared with what goes on in thermodynamics. The "intelligent intervention" that the article describes (cleaning up the room, or sorting the cards) is statistically infeasible in the thermodynamics case. In fact, the scientists formulating the second law of thermodynamics considered this, in the form of a "Maxwell's demon", and showed that it was impossible.

The claim that the second law of thermodynamics disproves relativity or evolution is too preposterous to reply to.

When I get the time, I will probably write some articles on thermodynamics elsewhere on the internet.

==My Past Contributions==

I have contributed to the following articles. Some contributions were minor, but most were major, and many of these articles were created by me. Some got moved from my "sandbox" pages into article space by other people.

Algebra, Joseph-Louis Lagrange, exponent of "r" in Newtonian gravity, Calc3.1/2/3/4/5, tensor, wave equation, e (mathematics), vector, vector space, vector field, conservative vector field, irrotational vector field, Maxwell's equations, Hodge star, exterior derivative, Cramer's rule, Riemann integral, Green's theorem, dense subset, limit (mathematics), boolean algebra, mathematical paradoxes, function, complex analytic function, continuity, countable, group, real number, rational number, complex number, Cauchy sequence, Dedekind cut, bijection, injection, surjection, ham sandwich theorem, two-pancacke theorem, divergence, curl, cross product, dot product, infinity, functor, continuous function, Bolzano-Weierstrass theorem, principle of induction, general relativity, real analysis, Pierre Simon Laplace, diagonalization.

==My Future Plans==

This section . I may need to consult with some sysops on this. Fixing the [[Compass and straightedge]] article is an important item.

The comment above, about consulting with sysops, referred to the fact that I was blocked and reverted by Daniel Pulido after an earlier attempt to discuss math, so I wanted to contact him by email to get his approval. But he has himself been blocked, so maybe things are OK.

While there are a huge number of things that need in the mathematics area, I've picked out four that would be good to on. I want to collaborate on these with Ed Poor, who is the other math expert currently around, so I have placed and extensive discussion on [[User_talk:Ed_Poor|his talk page]], which see. I'm also going to bring this to the attention of [[User:JamesWilson]], who may be another up-and-coming math contributor.

*[[Compass and straightedge]]—This has been rescued from "parody hell", but it needs much more work to present the material in a way that is logical and understandable to the target audience.

*Elementary [[Algebra]]—This has been a topic of discussion between me and Ed for quite some time, generally centering on the question of "how do you explain to an elementary student what the question 'x+3 = 7' is really asking?"

*Peano axioms—The fundamental logical basis for all of arithmetic. I dimly recall a discussion between Ed and someone else on this topic; it didn't seem to get anywhere. It is an extremely fascinating topic for the target audience!

*[[Center]]—This has been a disaster for a long time. I really don't know how to write the "headline" sentence for this; that is, what's the first thing you say about what the "center" of a geometrical shape is? I solicit any insight that Ed (or anyone else) can provide.

==More thoughts on math==
Since there is a renewal of interest in writing mathematical articles, I'd like for people to feel free to use my [[User_talk:SamHB|talk page]] for discussion of math articles, if they so desire. I may be able to offer advice or guidance, or suggest fruitful topics.

People should also feel free to discuss math writing in general, including the topic that is near and dear to me—setting the right educational level for our expected audience. I only ask that:
*Do not tell me we need extremely advanced articles at the college level. See [[Talk:Algebra|here]] for the latest example of misguided advice along these lines. Just don't ask. I'm not interested.
*If criticizing my or anyone else's writing level or style, please provide a link to a sample of your own writing on the same or equivalent topic and at the same depth, so that we can see just what you have in mind.

==I see AlanS's talk page has finally been deleted==
He seems to have made his last contribution on December 26, 2008. He was blocked at 19:19 on December 31, two minutes after I was blocked for being a sock of him. I never knew who he was. Looking through his block log, he seems to have gotten into fights with sysops and admins to an astounding degree, suggesting that he was, at heart, just a troublemaker. He seems to have dabbled in "light science" topics, but our paths don't seem to have crossed.

==Helpful stuff==
===To mark a page for deletion===
Use <nowiki>{{Delete Notice}}</nowiki>
The explanation is not an argument; it is in the following text.

Or <nowiki>{{speedy}}</nowiki> to explicitly diss it for being "obvious vandalism, sarcastic mockery, or inappropriate".

Also <nowiki>{{db|whatever}}</nowiki>
The explanation is in the argument. This method seems less effective at being noticed.

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===To put in footnotes etc.===
See [[How to put links and footnotes into your articles]].

===To welcome a new user===
<nowiki>{{welcome|sig=SamHB}}</nowiki>

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William S. Burroughs

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'''William Seward Burroughs''' (1914 - 1997) was an [[American]] essayist and poet, considered greatly to be a humiliation to literature. He attended [[Harvard University]]. His works include ''The Naked Lunch'' (1959), ''Nova Express'' (1964), and ''Cities of the Red Night'' (1981).<ref>''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''. Prentice Hall, New York, 1993.</ref>

==Life and Works==
Burroughs was born February 5, 1914.<ref>"Burroughs, William S." ''Biography.com''. http://www.biography.com/people/william-s-burroughs-9232376</ref> As a child, he was of a privileged background and interested in writing journals and essays, which enabled him to attend [[Harvard University]].<ref>"William S. Burroughs." ''Famous Authors''. http://www.famousauthors.org/william-s-burroughs</ref> He moved to Europe and became a homosexual, was unable to serve in the Second World War, and moved to New York City in 1943.<ref>"William Seward Burroughs." ''The Famous People''. http://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/william-seward-burroughs-3219.php</ref> He joined the Beat movement, writing in disgusting detail about his homosexual activities, married twice, moved to Mexico, shot his wife as a prank, and kept correspondence with [[Allen Ginsberg]], who encouraged him to write while coping with his heroin addiction.<ref>"Burroughs,
William S." ''Encyclopedia Britannica Online''.</ref> He wrote ''Junkie: Confessions of an Unredeemed Drug Addict'' (1953) and ''The Naked Lunch'' (1959) in poorly metered verse, satires of the drug-obscured milieu he brought upon himself, and died August 2, 1997.

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Walter R. Brooks

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'''Walter R. Brooks''' (1886-1958) was the author of the [[Freddy the Pig]] series of children's books.<ref>https://allpoetry.com/Walter-R-Brooks</ref> He also wrote the short story "Ed takes the Pledge" which became the basis for the television series [[Mister Ed]].<ref>Freddy the Politician by Walter R. Brooks, The Overlook Press, 1939.</ref>

==Life and Works==
Brooks was born in Rome, New York, on January 9, 1886, as the son of a professor and clergyman father and his mother, daughter of the mayor, though they died when he was young and he lived with his older sister.<ref>https://www.librarything.com/author/brookswalterr</ref> He studied in homeopathic medicine, married, worked for an advertising agency, worked for the Red Cross, wrote for the ''New York'', remarried, wrote his books, and died on August 17, 1958.<ref>https://www.scholastic.com/teachers/authors/walter-r--brooks/</ref>

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Gwendolyn Brooks

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'''Gwendolyn Brooks''', (1917-2000),<ref>Watkins, Mel. "Gwendolyn Brooks, 83, Passionate Poet, Dies."
''The New York Times''. Obituary. http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/05/books/gwendolyn-brooks-83-passionate-poet-dies.html</ref> was a black American poet. Her works include ''Annie Allen'' (1949), ''In the Mecca'' (1968), and ''Family Pictures'' (1970). She won a Pulitzer Prize for ''Annie Allen''.<ref>''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''. Prentice Hall, New York, 1993.</ref>

==Life and Works==
Brooks was born June 7, 1917, in Topeka, Kansas, but raised in Chicago.<ref>"Gwendolyn Brooks."
''Poets''. https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poet/gwendolyn-brooks</ref> Her mother was a schoolteacher, and her paternal grandfather allegedly fought in the Union Army during the [[Civil War]]. She graduated from Wilson Junior College and worked for the [[NAACP|National Association for the Advancement of Colored People]].<ref>"Gwendolyn Brooks - Poet Page." ''Poem Hunter''.
https://www.poemhunter.com/gwendolyn-brooks/</ref> As a teenager, she began writing and publishing, and became famous nationally for her ''A Street in Bronzeville'' (1945).<ref>"Brooks, Gwendolyn." ''Biography.com''. http://www.biography.com/people/gwendolyn-brooks-9227599</ref> In 1950, she became the first African-American to win the Pulitzer Prize.<ref>"Gwendolyn Brooks."
''Poetry Out Loud''. http://www.poetryoutloud.org/poems-and-performance/poets/detail/gwendolyn-brooks</ref>

While her earlier works, such as ''Maud Martha'', were in more erudite language and complex descriptions of African American daily life, in the late sixties she began to use simpler language and vernacular.<ref>"Gwendolyn Brooks." ''Notable Biographies''.
http://www.notablebiographies.com/Br-Ca/Brooks-Gwendolyn.html</ref> She won a great many awards, including:<ref>"Gwendolyn Brooks - Biography." ''Poem Hunter''.
https://www.poemhunter.com/gwendolyn-brooks/biography/</ref>

*Poet Laureate of Illinois (1968)
*Induction in the National Women's Hall of Fame (1988)
*National Medal of Arts (1995)

She died of cancer on December 3, 2000 in Illinois and is buried in Lincoln Cemetery.

==References==
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==External links==
*[https://www.poemhunter.com/gwendolyn-brooks/ Poems] of Gwendolyn Brooks at poemhunter.com
*[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poets/detail/gwendolyn-brooks Extensive Biography] of Gwendolyn Brooks at the Poetry Foundation website.

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Ann Bradstreet

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'''Anne Bradstreet''', or '''Ann Bradstreet''', as spelling was not yet standardized in the 17th century,<ref>http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~kemmer/Histengl/spelling.html</ref> (1612-1672) was one of the first American poets, and may have became the first when she wrote ''The Tenth Muse Lately Sprung up in America'' (1650).<ref>''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''. Prentice Hall, New York, 1993.</ref>

==Life and Works==

Bradstreet was born Anne Dudley in 1612 in England, where she married Simon Bradstreet, graduated from Cambridge University, and immigrated to Massachusetts.<ref>"Anne Bradstreet." ''Poets''. https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poet/anne-bradstreet</ref> She was a member of Winthrop's Puritan colony and the Puritan church in Boston, but most of her influence came from her prominent father and her husband, both of whom were governors of Massachusetts.<ref>"Anne Bradstreet - Biography." ''Famous Poets and Poems''. http://famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/anne_bradstreet/biography</ref> She wrote poems while raising eight children and moving about Massachusetts, and her brother-in-law John Woodbridge in England published them without her knowledge.<ref>"Bradstreet, Anne". ''Encyclopedia Britannica Online''.</ref> Her volume of poetry, ''The Tenth Muse Lately Sprung Up in America'', was a popular collection of her own works that established poetry in early America.<ref>"Anne Bradstreet - Detail." ''Poetry Foundation''.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poets/detail/anne-bradstreet</ref> After it was republished in America as ''Several Poems Compiled with Great Variety of Wit and Learning'' (1672), their Cambridge house burned down and she later died at age 60. The location of her grave is unknown.<ref>"Anne Bradstreet - Biography." ''Poem Hunter''. https://www.poemhunter.com/anne-bradstreet/biography/</ref>

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/anne_bradstreet/poems Poems] of Ann Bradstreet
*[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poets/detail/anne-bradstreet Extensive Biography] of Ann Bradstreet from the Poetry Foundation

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Kay Boyle

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'''Kay Boyle''' (1903-1992)<ref>Pace, Eric. "Kay Boyle, 90, Writer of Novels and Stories, Dies."
''The New York Times''. Obituary. http://www.nytimes.com/1992/12/29/arts/kay-boyle-90-writer-of-novels-and-stories-dies.html</ref> was an American writer of novels and short stories. Her works include ''Wedding Day'' (1930), ''Plagued by the Nightingale'' (1931), ''Death of a Man'' (1936), ''Thirty Stories'' (1946), ''The Underground Woman'' (1975), and ''Fifty Stories'' (1980).<ref>''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''. Prentice Hall, New York, 1993.</ref>

==Life and works==
Boyle was born February 19, 1902, in St. Paul Minnesota, was raised in Cincinnati, studies architecture in New York, took courses at [[Columbia University]], studied the violin in Cincinnati, married a French engineer, and moved to France.<ref>"Kay Boyle's Life." http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/a_f/boyle/bio.htm</ref> In 1931 she released her first novel, ''Plagued by the Nightingale'', about a woman whose husband refuses to allow her to appease her sensual desires; this is recognized as one of the first [[feminism|feminist]] novels.<ref><a href="http://www.jrank.org/literature/pages/3416/Kay-Boyle.html">Kay Boyle Biography - (1902–1992), Being Geniuses Together, Plagued by the Nightingale, Year Before Last, My Next Bride, Avalanche</a></ref> During both world wars, she divorced and married a different man, while writing novels and teaching at various universities.<ref>"Boyle, Kay."
''Encyclopedia Britannica Online''. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Kay-Boyle</ref> She became more political in ''Death of a Man'', writing a novel about the allure and danger of fascism.<ref>Austenfeld, Thomas, and Anne Reynès-Delobel. "Kay Boyle."
''Oxford Bibliographies''. http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780199827251/obo-9780199827251-0099.xml</ref> After World War II, she left her third husband in Austria, moved to America, and wrote short stories for the [[New Yorker]].<ref>Kay Boyle from the ''New Yorker'' contributor list http://www.newyorker.com/contributors/kay-boyle</ref> She later supported integration, civil rights, banning nuclear weapons, and withdrawal from the Vietnam War before dying December 27, 1992, in California.<ref>"Kay Boyle - Biography." ''Poem Hunter''. https://www.poemhunter.com/kay-boyle/biography/</ref>

==References==
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==External Links==
*[http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/a_f/boyle/bio.htm Extensive Biography] by the University of Illinois
*[http://www.jrank.org/literature/pages/3416/Kay-Boyle.html Description] of works

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Arna Bontemps

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'''Arna Wendell Bontemps''' (1902–73) was a mixed-race writer of the Harlem Renaissance who studied the black culture of old Virginia and the Caribbean. His works include ''God Sends Sunday'' (1931), ''Drums at Dusk'' (1939), ''Sam Patch'' (1951), and ''One Hundred Years of Negro Freedom'' (1961).<ref>''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''. Prentice Hall, New York, 1993.</ref>

==Life and Works==
Bontemps was born on October 13, 1902, in [[Alexandria, Louisiana]] to a black brick mason father and a European-Indian mother.<ref>"Arna Bontemps." ''Biography.com'' http://www.biography.com/people/arna-bontemps-39864</ref> At age three, his family moved to [[Los Angeles]], where he refused to go into his father's trade, was sent to a white boarding school, and later graduated Pacific Union College with a BA in 1923.<ref>"Arna Bontemps - Biography." ''Famous Poets and Poems''.
http://famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/arna_bontemps/biography</ref> He moved to Harlem, New York, married, and accepted a teaching job during the [[Harlem Renaissance]], where he met [[W.E.B. DuBois]], [[Countee Cullen]], and his best friend, [[Langston Hughes]].<ref>"Bontemps, Arna." ''Poets''. https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poet/arna-bontemps</ref> He won poetry prizes from ''The Crisis'' and ''Opportunity'' there, but moved to Huntsville, Alabama during the Depression, and later to Tennessee.<ref>"Bontemps, Arna -
Detail." ''Poetry Foundation''. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poets/detail/arna-bontemps</ref>

He began to write novels with ''Chariot in the Cloud'' (1929), which was rejected, and became very famous for ''God Sends Sunday'' and ''Popo and Fifina: Children of Haiti'' (1932), a children's book co-written by Langston Hughes.<ref name="pedia">"Bontemps, Arna."
''Encyclopedia: Literature and Arts, American Literature''. http://www.encyclopedia.com/people/literature-and-arts/american-literature-biographies/arna-bontemps</ref> His ''God Sends Sunday'' described a black jockey of the 1890s called Little Augie and his losing his luck in Mudtown, a fictitious suburb of Watts, California.<ref name="pedia"></ref> His next novels, ''Black Thunder'' (1936) and ''Drums at Dusk'', were about slave revolts in Virginia and Haiti, respectively.<ref>"Bontemps, Arna." ''Encyclopedia Britannica Online''.</ref> One of his best known works his the children's history ''Story of the Negro'' (1949), a Newbery winner.<ref>Johnson, Virginia.
"Arna Bontemps Left a Rich Literary Legacy." http://www.librarypoint.org/author_arna_bontemps</ref>

He died on June 4, 1973, in Nashville, Tennessee, while working on his autobiography.

==See also==
*[[Langston Hughes]]
*[[Zora Neale Hurston]]

==References==
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==External links==
*[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poets/detail/arna-bontemps Extensive Biography] by the Poetry Foundation

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Arna Bontemps

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Allan Bloom

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'''Allan Bloom''' is the deceased author of ''Closing of the American Mind''.

==Life and Works==
Bloom was born September 14, 1930, as an only child in [[Indianapolis]], though he later moved to [[Chicago]].<ref>"Bloom, Allan." ''New World Encyclopedia''.</ref> He received a B.A. from the University of Chicago and studied in Paris, receiving a PhD in 1955.<ref name="bio">"Allan David Bloom." ''Your Dictionary''. http://biography.yourdictionary.com/allan-david-bloom</ref> He taught at Yale and then Cornell, where he translated ''Plato's Republic'', but was unhappy with Cornell's treatment of revolting students and went to Israel, Paris, and Toronto before returning to Chicago, where he translated Rousseau's ''Emile''.<ref>"Allan Bloom."
''The Famous People''. http://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/allan-bloom-3596.php</ref> It was there that he wrote ''The Closing of the American Mind: How Higher Education Has Failed Democracy and Impoverished the Souls of Today’s Students'' (1987), in which he criticizes universities for not teaching students to think, and blames curricula, rock music, television, and elitism.<ref>"Bloom, Allan." ''Encyclopedia Britannica Online''.</ref> He supported "great book" education, in which the works of past philosophers were taught, and was praised for his conservative philosophy, while liberal critics declared him to be an elitist ignoring change in favor of a modern world.<ref name="bio" /> He also worked to translate the works of many thinkers whose importance had been realized by Leo Strauss, including [[Xenophon]], Al-Farabi, and Averroes.<ref>"Allan Bloom Biography." ''Contemporary Thinkers''.
http://contemporarythinkers.org/allan-bloom/biography/</ref>

He died on October 7, 1992.

==See also==
*[[Saul Bellow]]

==References==
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Compassionate conservatism

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'''Compassionate conservatism''' is a sector of conservatism which seeks to support conservative values, such as freedom of religion. the basic compassion<ref>Mark 12:31.</ref><ref>Romans 15:2.</ref> supported by religion, and encouragement of labor, while doing so in a manner that displays compassion for such deserving groups as the needy.<ref>http://www.dictionary.com/browse/compassionate-conservatism</ref> American president George W. Bush supported compassionate conservatism and may have popularized the term.<ref>https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/28/opinion/compassionate-conservatives-hello.html?_r=0</ref> It can refer to all the goodness that has been done by "true" conservative intellectuals and businessmen before George W. Bush injected the movement into Republican politics.<ref>https://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-eternal-return-of-compassionate-conservatism</ref>

==References==
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Bleeding-heart liberal

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The term '''bleeding-heart liberal''' denotes a [[liberal]] who is particularly distraught by what he or she views as tragedy that conservatives do not. The term phrase '''bleeding-heart''' has long been a reference to the wounded sacred heart of [[Jesus]], and refers to anyone whose heart had been wounded metaphorically by immorality.<ref>http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/origin-bleeding-heart-liberal</ref> '''Bleeding-heart liberal''' was a term first applied by newspaper columnist Westbrook Pegler in 1938, to refer to liberals who were trying to pass a bill that would provide penalties for lynching.<ref>http://www.tompainesghost.com/2013/09/origins-of-bleeding-heart-liberal.html</ref> Since then, the term has began to apply especially to people who feel sympathy for dictators, war criminals, and terrorists who suffer criminal penalties, or to those who feel sorry for the environment.

==Common sources of sympathy==
*Punishments for war criminals
*Environmental issues and endangered species
*Animal testing
*People who fell victims of the Catholic Church centuries ago in the Crusades
*Muslims being "profiled" in airports
*Murderers and sex offenders who spend time in jail

==Results of above sympathy==
*War crimes
*Stifled industrial progress
*Human testing
*Discouragement of religion
*Weakened airport security
*Lavish, inviting prisons

==See also==
*[[Compassionate conservatism]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

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Bleeding-heart liberal

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Bleeding-heart liberal

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Conservative jokes

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Welcome to the Conservative Jokes page. Here is a collection of various jokes, many the original work of Conservapedia editors.<ref>Other works must be attributed to their respective authors.</ref> Conservapedia editors are encouraged to add their own humor to this page.

==Conservative Jokes==
Person reading "Conservative jokes" page: Why do relativity-deniers think puns are so funny?

Answer: They still think of puns as one of the four humors.
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Conservapedia vandal: Hmmm...if I make two fake accounts, instead of one, they'll never suspect me!

Conservapedia admin: Like I've never seen a pair of socks before.
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What do progressive stores hold to show their "progressive" reverse racism?

:Black-only Friday.
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When did Michael Shermer become a skeptic?

:When he saw his parents putting the coal in his stocking.
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Where was evidence of ''Archaeopteryx'' first discovered?

:Wall Drug's gift store.
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Why did Westminster University give Richard Dawkins an honorary degree?

:They thought he was [[Richard Dawson|the guy from ''Family Feud'']].
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What's the only creationist question an evolutionist has answered?

:"Do you have Prince Albert in a can?"
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What's the only reason pseudoscientists know of for the universe's not being homogenous?

:They know of no matter existing between Las Vegas and Washington.
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How many [[liberal]]s does it take to screw in a light bulb?

:Zero, they prefer to remain in the dark.
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What is an abortion surgeon's least favorite song?

:"(You're) Having my Baby."
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How can we stop global warming?

:Leaving our refrigerators open.
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What God-inspired physicist can be eaten as a snack?

:Isaac Fig Newton
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Did you hear about the new Obama diet?<ref name="ijr">Hulsey, Emily. "21 Jokes That Only Conservatives Will Find Funny". ''Independent Journal Review''. http://ijr.com/2014/05/139652-21-jokes-conservatives-will-find-funny/</ref>

:You let Putin eat your lunch all day.
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What do you call a basement full of liberals?

:A whine cellar.<ref name="ijr" />
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Today, it was so cold, I saw a liberal with his hands in his own pockets.
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I hope [[global warming]] is real. Those [[Liberal|snowflakes]] will melt in the politically incorrect heat!
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What is [[Hillary Clinton]]'s favorite breakfast cereal?

:Subtle Trix.
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And her favorite Everly Brothers song?

:"All I Have to Do is Scheme,"
:(I'll make the country mine / blur the legal line / every time, to get my way / only trouble is, gee whiz / I'm throwing my afterlife away...)
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What's a conservative's favorite shape?

:A right triangle.
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What do you call a conservative accountant?

:Ann Bean-Coulter.
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Why can't a group of all liberals assemble a country?

:They don't have the Right.
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How do atheists search for nuclear fusion?

:Through intensive trial and error with expensive laboratory equipment and taxpayer dollars.

But how do the Christians do it?

:Looking out their windows.<ref>The Sun, and all stars, are examples of nuclear fusion (in this case, fusing hydrogen to form helium and other gases). Scientists are seeking to replicate this at lower temperatures, called "cold fusion."</ref>
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What did Obama do when a ship from outer space landed on Earth?

:Give the aliens legal status as citizens.
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People in Communist groups are so lazy.

:How lazy are they?

They're so lazy, they didn't get around to the [[October Revolution]] until November.
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How does [[Carl Sagan]] think the universe was formed?

:A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
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What do you call a party for pseudoscientists?

:Dance dance evolution.

==Wikipedia's Slogan==
Far off in the year 2021, Wikipedia has been around for two decades, and is constantly begging for money. They consider the options of shutting down or switching to a paid system, and decide to switch to a membership system where active editors can browse, and anyone else must pay to be an active editor, make a certain quantity of helpful edits, and then browse. They realize, at this point, that they need a new slogan, as they are no longer Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Having very little in their creative minds, the Wikipedia owners crowdsource the new slogan and hold a slogan challenge. Here are some of the winning ideas:

*Wikipedia: If there's a number in blue, then it's gotta be true
*Wikipedia, free the encyclopedia
*Wikipedia: I know you think too, but we think better than you

==Where Laboratory Funding Comes From==
A congressman wondered if a genetics testing laboratory was worth funding, so he went to the lab, where they recognized him immediately as a leading Democrat with influence over several votes in the House. They greeted him, and he asked them, in words he imagined to be deceiving and sagacious, "If I gave you a sample of my DNA, what could you do with it?"

"We could insert other genes into it," suggested a scientist.

"So you could give me dinosaur traits, like in ''Jurassic Park''?"

"No, only if you were still made of stem cells. But we could glean all of your traits from the information," he diverted.

"Except gender; that's indeterminate," a PR scientist added hastily.

"Very well," he smiled, prepared to prove them lying, "Here's a hair sample. Prove it."

They took the hair sample and told him they needed to use the PCR machine and run some tests, but they'd be back in a few months.

"Oh, no - don't try that. What can you tell me ''now''?"

The scientist shrewdly placed the hair in the PCR machine.

"Hmmm...our machines tell us that you are about 5'11", 44 years old, brown hair, brown eyes, 78% Caucasian, not that it matters, in good health, heartbeat 120 beats per minute, blood pressure 100/70, adroit in political matters, a keen athlete, good reaction time, with an aptitude for science ... is that true?"

"It ''is''," replied the Congressman, amazed. "You may not know it - but I am quite ad-what, or whatever you said, in political matters. I'm a Congressman, and this work you do is so amazing, I'll have to vote in favor of funding this lab."

==Conservative Riddles and Puzzles==
What liquid is worth 0.4 cents a gallon to a conservative, but $1.22 per gallon to a liberal?

:Water, whether tap or bottled
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If an atheist deifies himself enough ... is he still an atheist?
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A book never written ... ''The Ultimate Liberal Government'' by Ann R. Key.
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Another book never written ... ''Clinton Explains Benghazi'' by Heidi Bodhis

==The [[NEA]]==
In a conference room, one teacher is spreading flour and sugar on the chairs, along with some water, beaten eggs, and a hint of vanilla extract. Alarmed, the custodian asks, "What are you doing?" 
"Simple," she replied, "You know how the NEA is going to be using this room later? That's when I'm going to turn up the thermostat." 
"What? Why?" he demands. 
"I'm trying a new recipe for academia nut cookies."

==References==
Use these to add notes and references.
{{reflist}}

==See also==
*[[Conservative humor and satire resources]]
*[[Conservative parables]]

==External links==
*[https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/ Townhall Political Cartoons]
*[http://mallardfillmore.com/ Mallard Fillmore Syndicated Cartoons]

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Conservative vs. liberal

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Numerous differences exist between [[conservative]]s and [[liberal]]s. This article compares the two ideologies.

Liberalism and conservatism are two opposing ideologies of two different words, one of which is much smoother with its "-ism" suffix. While there are no definitive or official texts for either, it is usually believed that liberalism connotes the belief that new is always better than old and that history is irrelevant to the present, while conservatism states just the opposite.<ref>"Liberalism." ''Encyclopædia Britannica'', 17th edition.</ref> It could also be described that liberalism is the force of change, and conservatism is the force of preservation.<ref>''The American Collegiate Dictionary''. Merriam-Webster, 1959.</ref> However, in a society in which very much change is the spread of perverted beliefs, diminishing morals, and deceptive indoctrination, it can be that liberalism is the belief which supports such things, and conservatism that which seeks to keep peace and righteousness, even if that does become the change that occurs.<ref>Buckley, William F. ''Up From Liberalism''. [[William F. Buckley, Jr.]] is often considered a leading conservative authority.</ref>

Both sides, as ideologies, enjoy claiming to be the force of reason.

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In American politics, parties are often generalized as supporting one cause or the other, and labeled as red or blue. The two ideologies are also made linear by the use of the terms "left" and "right." This is illustrated by the chart below.
{|
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|'''l'''iberal
|conservative
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|'''l'''eft
|'''r'''ight
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|Democrat
|'''R'''epublican
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|blue
|'''r'''ed
|}
==Liberalism==
Liberalism, if it is all the ideology that supports change, has no consistent ideals throughout history, but this does not bother it, as it generally ignores history. Identifying its particulars cannot be done based on the literal meaning of the word, "the belief in freedom," because in the present context, liberals often suppress freedom of speech, freedom of the Second Amendment, and in the case of recent judicial activism, the freedom to use executive powers granted by the Constitution and to fulfill one's duty to protect one's country. While the drafters of the Constitution are often regarded as liberals, as they were in support of change and freedom, their ideology is often in conflict with the liberals of today.
See: [[Liberalism]], [[Liberal]]

===Liberal values===
In a present context, the liberal stance on current issues is as follows:
*Liberals oppose the right to life for unborn children
*Liberals support homosexual marriage
*Liberals oppose the right to keep children safe from pornography
*Liberals support legalizing all forms of drugs and chemicals
*Liberals support "affirmative action," i.e., the granting of special rights to minority groups and women.
*Liberals oppose the Second Amendment

Conjecturally, people who are liberal on political ideals...
*prefer bawdy jokes and potty humor over wordplay, even in children's movies.
*use profanity.
*listen to hip-hop or punk rock music, and associate each style with a race.
*believe Satanism is a legitimate, harmless religion, but Christianity is not.
*didn't know Alexander Hamilton wasn't a president until they saw ''Hamilton!''.
*oppose private schools.
*enjoy watching the Oscars.
*spend more time watching the Super Bowl on Super Bowl Sunday than remembering veterans on Veterans' Day and Memorial Day combined. (Memorial Day regards only deceased veterans; veterans includes all).
*think James Joyce and Jack Kerouac were great writers.
*consider Communism as a feasible means of economics.
*believe that World War Two was the cause of the end of the Great Depression, not FDR's economic policies.
*will not accept a tax cut if it requires Donald Trump to take a tax cut as well.
*believe anything a scientist says is true
*accept the existence of hurricanes and other natural disasters as evidence of climate change
*thinks wind power is perfectly safe for the environment, despite reports of birds being killed by the blades, and that solar power is the same, though birds get fried by the concentrated rays. Coal power they reject on the grounds that it produces carbon dioxide.
*accept without questioning that 1+2+3+4+5... is -1/12, because mathematicians say so.
*base their perception of Christianity on its appearance in movies, television, and video games.
*read and see importance in entertainment news and keep track of famous actors and actresses.
*think that the ''Huffington Post'' is a newspaper.

==Conservatism==
Conservatives often wished to be defined as something other than the opposition to the more visible force of liberalism, not to be the background on which it occurs. If conservatism were to define itself as an ideology, it would likely related to certain more defined ones, such as the Judeo-Christian ideology taught by the Bible, the idea of classical liberalism as supported by [[Socrates]] and [[Plato]] but not [[Aristotle]], and the principles of such men as the modern conservatives [[Edmund Burke]], [[William F. Buckley, Jr.]], or the scholarly Christian ancients [[St. Augustine]] and [[Thomas Aquinas]].<ref>"Liberalism." ''The Great Conversation''. Great Books of the Western World, 2. ''Britannica''.</ref> Yet, lacking in a scholarly and documented ideology, the epithet conservative is applied to such differently minded people as [[Rush Limbaugh]], [[C.S. Lewis]], [[Ann Coulter]], [[Bill O'Reilly]], and the staff of Fox News.<ref>"The 100 People the Left Hates Most." ''TIME magazine''.</ref>
See: [[Conservative]]

===Conservative values===
Conservatives generally support religion, particularly [[Christianity]] in the United States, [[capitalism]] and the free market, and the right to bear arms. Conservatives typically believe that the only couples that can bear children are those of a man and a woman, and that thus the union between them is sacred.<ref>Walsh, Matt. "Yes, Gay Marriage Hurts Me Personally." Warning: contains harsh expletives in quoting an attack by a liberal. http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/yes-gay-marriage-hurts-me-personally/.</ref> To conservatives, who believe true science*, gender in humans is determined by the presence or lack of a Y-chromosome.<ref>"MasteringBiology." ''Pearson''.</ref><ref>"Genetics 101: All About DNA." http://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/blog/genetics-101-all-about-dna/</ref>

Conjecturally, those who identify as conservative...
*do not appreciate slapstick humor.
*upon seeing an inspirational video about a girl who raised a billion dollars for her 8-year-old brother by threatening to play annoying songs loudly and extorting money from neighbors ... do not become inspired, rather angry or grateful not to live in that girl's neighborhood.
*suspect that "imaginary" numbers are so named because they are a figment of mathematicians' imaginations, and that such numbers do not apply to math.
*think that anarchy is not about sharing, it's about stealing.
*enjoy smooth jazz, bossa nova, and orchestral music.
*retain integrity when no one is watching.
*do not allow their children to watch programs of which they do not approve, but allow their children to go out into woods and plains.
*support agriculture jobs.
*find setting up dominoes and knocking them down to be more entertaining than popular television.
*wonder how ''Fifty Shades Darker'' got its name when the actors have no visible skin coloration. They also wonder why the ''Twilight'' producers didn't save money and shoot the film in black-and-white, since there was hardly any color to show.
*prefer children who act stunningly innocent rather than like precocious miniature adults.
*are suspicious of the value of new technology, such as the safety of a self-driving car (Can they be remotely hacked?). They may doubt the significance of each new incarnation of the iPhone.
*enjoy solitude and do not need to speak constantly.
*do not enjoy being the victim of a prank or pranking others.<ref>Proverbs 26:18-19.</ref>
*wonder what anti-death penalty mean when the say "12% of executions are botched in ways that can lead to the convict dying."
*thought in school that students who learned more quickly should be permitted to move through ranks quickly/
*don't state their beliefs as frequently as liberals, which is why there appears to be less conservative activity on the Internet.
*would rather pray for Donald Trump to improve than to see him killed or impeached.
See: [[Conservative values]]

==See also==
*[[Similarities between Communism, Nazism and liberalism]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

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Richard Dawson

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'''Richard Dawson''' was an American entertainer best known as the host of the game show, ''[[Family Feud]]''.

Conservative jokes

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Welcome to the Conservative Jokes page. Here is a collection of various jokes, many the original work of Conservapedia editors.<ref>Other works must be attributed to their respective authors.</ref> Conservapedia editors are encouraged to add their own humor to this page.

==Conservative Jokes==
Conservapedia vandal: Hmmm...if I make two fake accounts, instead of one, they'll never suspect me!

Conservapedia admin: Like I've never seen a pair of socks before.
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What do progressive stores hold to show their "progressive" reverse racism?

:Black-only Friday.
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When did Michael Shermer become a skeptic?

:When he saw his parents putting the coal in his stocking.
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Where was evidence of ''Archaeopteryx'' first discovered?

:Wall Drug's gift store.
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Why did Westminster University give Richard Dawkins an honorary degree?

:They thought he was [[Richard Dawson|the guy from ''Family Feud'']].
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What's the only creationist question an evolutionist has answered?

:"Do you have Prince Albert in a can?"
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What's the only reason pseudoscientists know of for the universe's not being homogenous?

:They know of no matter existing between Las Vegas and Washington.
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How many [[liberal]]s does it take to screw in a light bulb?

:Zero, they prefer to remain in the dark.
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What is an abortion surgeon's least favorite song?

:"(You're) Having my Baby."
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How can we stop global warming?

:Leaving our refrigerators open.
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What God-inspired physicist can be eaten as a snack?

:Isaac Fig Newton
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Did you hear about the new Obama diet?<ref name="ijr">Hulsey, Emily. "21 Jokes That Only Conservatives Will Find Funny". ''Independent Journal Review''. http://ijr.com/2014/05/139652-21-jokes-conservatives-will-find-funny/</ref>

:You let Putin eat your lunch all day.
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What do you call a basement full of liberals?

:A whine cellar.<ref name="ijr" />
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Today, it was so cold, I saw a liberal with his hands in his own pockets.
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I hope [[global warming]] is real. Those [[Liberal|snowflakes]] will melt in the politically incorrect heat!
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What is [[Hillary Clinton]]'s favorite breakfast cereal?

:Subtle Trix.
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And her favorite Everly Brothers song?

:"All I Have to Do is Scheme,"
:(I'll make the country mine / blur the legal line / every time, to get my way / only trouble is, gee whiz / I'm throwing my afterlife away...)
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What's a conservative's favorite shape?

:A right triangle.
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What do you call a conservative accountant?

:Ann Bean-Coulter.
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Why can't a group of all liberals assemble a country?

:They don't have the Right.
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How do atheists search for nuclear fusion?

:Through intensive trial and error with expensive laboratory equipment and taxpayer dollars.

But how do the Christians do it?

:Looking out their windows.<ref>The Sun, and all stars, are examples of nuclear fusion (in this case, fusing hydrogen to form helium and other gases). Scientists are seeking to replicate this at lower temperatures, called "cold fusion."</ref>
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What did Obama do when a ship from outer space landed on Earth?

:Give the aliens legal status as citizens.
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People in Communist groups are so lazy.

:How lazy are they?

They're so lazy, they didn't get around to the [[October Revolution]] until November.
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How does [[Carl Sagan]] think the universe was formed?

:A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
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What do you call a party for pseudoscientists?

:Dance dance evolution.

==Wikipedia's Slogan==
Far off in the year 2021, Wikipedia has been around for two decades, and is constantly begging for money. They consider the options of shutting down or switching to a paid system, and decide to switch to a membership system where active editors can browse, and anyone else must pay to be an active editor, make a certain quantity of helpful edits, and then browse. They realize, at this point, that they need a new slogan, as they are no longer Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Having very little in their creative minds, the Wikipedia owners crowdsource the new slogan and hold a slogan challenge. Here are some of the winning ideas:

*Wikipedia: If there's a number in blue, then it's gotta be true
*Wikipedia, free the encyclopedia
*Wikipedia: I know you think too, but we think better than you

==Where Laboratory Funding Comes From==
A congressman wondered if a genetics testing laboratory was worth funding, so he went to the lab, where they recognized him immediately as a leading Democrat with influence over several votes in the House. They greeted him, and he asked them, in words he imagined to be deceiving and sagacious, "If I gave you a sample of my DNA, what could you do with it?"

"We could insert other genes into it," suggested a scientist.

"So you could give me dinosaur traits, like in ''Jurassic Park''?"

"No, only if you were still made of stem cells. But we could glean all of your traits from the information," he diverted.

"Except gender; that's indeterminate," a PR scientist added hastily.

"Very well," he smiled, prepared to prove them lying, "Here's a hair sample. Prove it."

They took the hair sample and told him they needed to use the PCR machine and run some tests, but they'd be back in a few months.

"Oh, no - don't try that. What can you tell me ''now''?"

The scientist shrewdly placed the hair in the PCR machine.

"Hmmm...our machines tell us that you are about 5'11", 44 years old, brown hair, brown eyes, 78% Caucasian, not that it matters, in good health, heartbeat 120 beats per minute, blood pressure 100/70, adroit in political matters, a keen athlete, good reaction time, with an aptitude for science ... is that true?"

"It ''is''," replied the Congressman, amazed. "You may not know it - but I am quite ad-what, or whatever you said, in political matters. I'm a Congressman, and this work you do is so amazing, I'll have to vote in favor of funding this lab."

==Conservative Riddles and Puzzles==
What liquid is worth 0.4 cents a gallon to a conservative, but $1.22 per gallon to a liberal?

:Water, whether tap or bottled
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If an atheist deifies himself enough ... is he still an atheist?
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A book never written ... ''The Ultimate Liberal Government'' by Ann R. Key.
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Prayer

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In [[Christianity]] and many other religions, '''prayer''' is the process of directly connecting to [[God]], usually for the purpose of deliberate communication.

Prayer is immensely helpful in many ways. It can help overcome addiction, such as [[video game]] usage, [[gambling]], and football-watching, and it provides comfort in times of trouble. It is a way to reach out for forgiveness, and develop the ability to forgive. It also is a way to request God's help or provision.

Through prayer our thoughts and hopes are heard and understood. Oftentimes, prayer will result in feeling God's presence or feeling like one is touched by God. This feeling of a connection is cited by many theists as proof of God's existence. It is through prayer that man can understand God's will in his life and ask God for the courage and strength to carry his message to the world. Prayer is common throughout the [[Bible]] in both the [[Old Testament]] and the [[New Testament]].

== Studies confirming the efficacy of prayer for Christians ==

''See also:'' [[Studies on prayer]]

The [[Christian apologetics|Christian apologist]] [[Gary Habermas]] wrote: "Double-blind prayer experiments: where people pray for others with terminal illness. Habermas admitted that most such experiments have not worked, but the three that he knows of that have indeed worked were cases of orthodox-Christians praying for the sick."<ref>[http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-apologist-10-reasons-for-the-fall-of-atheism-106531/ Christian Apologist: 10 Reasons for the Fall of Atheism] by [[Gary Habermas]]</ref>

== A guideline of how one should Pray ==

In Christianity, Jesus gives a guideline of how one should pray to God with The Lord's Prayer:<blockquote>"Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name, thy kingdom come, they will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread, forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, for thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory, forever, [[Amen]]."<ref>Matt 6:9-13</ref><ref>[http://www.lifeofchrist.com/teachings/sermons/mount/lordsprayer.asp Instructions for praying]</ref></blockquote>

God is the only heavenly object of prayer in the Bible

One way that is a great way to pray when you are praying privately (i.e. talking to God as though he is a close friend)is to just thank Him, thank Him for creating you, the world you live on, the stars, the sun, the galaxy, and everything else. We rarely thank him, but more so we usually ask for help, but it is good to thank him whenever you can.

==Private and Public Prayer==

There are many instances in the Bible of praying in private and also of praying within a group, and sometimes even of praying in public.

<blockquote>"But Jesus often withdrew to lonely places and prayed."<ref>{{Bible ref|Luke|5|16}}</ref></blockquote>

[[Image:Jesus praying.jpg|thumb|Jesus praying at Gethsemane]]

Jesus also instructed:<blockquote>"But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."<ref>Matt 6:6</ref></blockquote>

Even though he was with his [[Twelve Disciples|disciples]], Jesus also went off alone to pray on the [[Mount of Olives]] when he was about to be seized and [[crucified]].<ref>Luke 22:39-41</ref>

There are also many examples in the Bible of group prayer or praying in front of others:
* [[Solomon]] prayed publicly in dedicating the [[temple]] ({{Bible ref|1_Kings|8|22-61}}).
* [[Daniel (prophet)|Daniel]] prayed alone in his room, but by an open window where he could be seen ({{Bible ref|Daniel|6|10-11}}).
* Jesus sometimes prayed with his disciples ({{Bible ref|Luke|9|18}}).
* The Church prayed for Peter's miraculous release from prison ({{Bible ref|Acts|12|5}}).
* Jesus prayed in public, such as in {{Bible ref|Matthew|19|13-15}} when Jesus prayed for the children brought to him.

Other religions, and even different traditions within Christianity have developed their own practices related to prayer.<ref>[http://www.thenazareneway.com/modes_of_prayer.htm "The Modes of Prayer," from the Nazerine Way of Essenic Study]</ref>

Modern societies often oppose and discourage public prayer. For example, in the United States, government [[school]]s forbid [[classroom prayer]].

Nearly six-in-ten adults in the U.S. say they pray at least once a day.<ref>[http://religions.pewforum.org/ The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life] U.S. Religious Landscape Survey, 2008</ref>

== St. Francis Vocation Prayer ==

Most High, Glorious God,

enlighten the darkness of our minds.

Give us a right faith, a firm hope and a perfect charity,

so that we may always and in all things

act according to Your Holy Will. Amen.

==Different types of prayer in the Bible==

The Bible is much a book or prayer, containing about 650 different prayers,<ref>http://www.bible.ca/ntx-prayer.htm</ref> and consisting of various types. Some types that are categorized are,

*1. Prayer of supplication. (1 kg. 8: 37-40; 54-55; Lk. 11: 9-13; Ja. 5: 17-18)
*2. Prayer of intercession. (Gn 18: 22-33; 1 kg. 18: 41-46; 2 Kings 4: 32-36 Acts 12: 1-18)
*3. Prayer of faith. (Mk. 11:12-14; 11: 20-25, Luke 7: 1-10; Ja. 5: 13-18, Mt. 9: 18-26)
*4. Prayer of agreement. (Gn. 11: 1-9; Ex. 17: 8-13; Psalm 133: 1-3; Mt. 18: 19-20; Acts 4:23; Heb. 10: 24-25)
*5. Prayer of praise and thanksgiving. (Ps. 100; 149:4-9; Acts 16:16-34; 1Thes. 5:15-19) <ref>http://www.wordlibrary.co.uk/article.php?id=11</ref>

==Quotes on prayer==

*Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual, fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. James 5:16 ([[Bible]])

*In what name they were to present their petitions: Ask in my name. To ask in Christ's name is, (1.) To plead his merit and intercession, and to depend upon that plea. (2.) It is to aim at his glory and to seek this as our highest end in all our prayers. - Matthew Henry

*We look upon prayer as a means of getting things for ourselves; The Bible idea of prayer is that we may get to know God Himself. - Oswald Chambers

*Prayer crowns God with the honor and glory due to His name, and God crowns prayer with assurance and comfort. The most praying souls are the most assured souls. - Thomas B. Brooks

*The great thing in prayer is to feel that we are putting our supplications into the bosom of omnipotent love. - Andrew Murray

*We have to pray with our eyes on God, not on the difficulties. - Oswald Chambers

*Teach us to pray that we may cause The enemy to flee, That we his evil power may bind, His prisoners to free. - Watchman Nee

*Prayer is the great engine to overthrow and rout my spiritual enemies, the great means to procure the graces of which I stand in hourly need. - John Newton

*Pray, always pray; when sickness wastes thy frame, Prayer brings the healing power of Jesus' name. - A. B. Simpson

*Prayer is the force as real as terrestrial gravity. As a physician, I have seen men, after all other therapy had failed, lifted out of disease and melancholy by the serene effort of prayer. Only in prayer do we achieve that complete and harmonious assembly of body, mind and spirit which gives the frail human reed its unshakable strength. - Dr. Alexis Carrel

*Every time we pray our horizon is altered, our attitude to things is altered, not sometimes but every time, and the amazing thing is that we don't pray more. - Oswald Chambers

*One night alone in prayer might make us new men, changed from poverty of soul to spiritual wealth, from trembling to triumphing. - Charles Haddon Spurgeon

*The less I pray, the harder it gets; the more I pray, the better it goes. - Martin Luther

*He who has learned to pray has learned the greatest secret of a holy and a happy life. - William Law

*If you can't pray as you want to, pray as you can. God knows what you mean. - Vance Havner

*It is not so true that "prayer changes things" as that prayer changes me and I change things. God has so constituted things that prayer on the basis of Redemption alters the way in which a man looks at things. Prayer is not a question of altering things externally, but of working wonders in a man's disposition. - Oswald Chambers

*We read of preaching the Word out of season, but we do not read of praying out of season, for that is never out of season. - Matthew Henry

*To God your every Want In instant Prayer display, Pray always; Pray, and never faint; Pray, without ceasing, Pray. - Charles Wesley

*Pray, always pray; beneath sins heaviest load, Prayer claims the blood from Jesus' side that flowed. Pray, always pray; though weary, faint, and lone, Prayer nestles by the Father's sheltering throne. - A. B. Simpson

*Sometimes we think we are too busy to pray. That is a great mistake, for praying is a saving of time. - Charles Haddon Spurgeon

*Tomorrow I plan to work, work, from early until late. In fact I have so much to do that I shall spend the first three hours in prayer. - Martin Luther

*In prayer it is better to have a heart without words than words without a heart. - John Bunyan

*Refusal to pray is passive rebellion against God, "in whose hand thy breathe is." - Anonymous

*All the prayers in the Scripture you will find to be reasoning with God, not a multitude of words heaped together. - Stephen Charnock

*Prayer is not eloquence, but earnestness; not the definition of helplessness, but the feeling of it; not figures of speech, but earnestness of soul. - Hannah More

*The best prayers have often more groans than words. - John Bunyan

*Unless I had the spirit of prayer, I could do nothing. - Charles G. Finney

*A man's state before God may always be measured by his prayers.- J. C. Ryle

*Oh, what a cause of thankfulness it is that we have a gracious God to go to on all occasions! Use and enjoy this privilege and you can never be miserable. Oh, what an unspeakable privilege is prayer! - Lady Maxwell

*The tree of mercy will not drop its fruit unless shaken by the hand of prayer. - Thomas Watson<ref>Watson, Thomas. The Lord's Prayer. London: Banner of Truth Trust, 1999. Print. The Fourth Petition, Page 196</ref>

Perhaps the most noted author on prayer is the late Methodist minister [[E. M. Bounds]] (1835 - 1913):

*Prayer honors God, acknowledges His being, exalts His power, adores His providence, secures His aid.

*By prayer, the ability is secured to feel the law of love, to speak according to the law of love, and to do everything in harmony with the law of love.

*Praying which does not result in pure conduct is a delusion. We have missed the whole office and virtue of praying if it does not rectify conduct. It is in the very nature of things that we must quit praying, or quit bad conduct.

*Natural ability and educational advantages do not figure as factors in this matter of prayer; but a capacity for faith, the power of a thorough consecration, the ability of self-littleness, an absolute losing of one's self in God's glory and an ever present and insatiable yearning and seeking after all the fullness of God.

*The goal of prayer is the ear of God, a goal that can only be reached by patient and continued and continuous waiting upon Him, pouring out our heart to Him and permitting Him to speak to us. Only by so doing can we expect to know Him, and as we come to know Him better we shall spend more time in His presence and find that presence a constant and ever-increasing delight.

*Importunity is a condition of prayer. We are to press the matter, not with vain repetitions, but with urgent repetitions. We repeat, not to count the times, but to gain the prayer. We cannot quit praying because heart and soul are in it. We pray "with all perseverance." We hang to our prayers because by them we live. We press our pleas because we must have them, or die.<ref>[http://www.famousquotesandauthors.com/topics/prayer_quotes.html Famous Quotes and Authors.com Prayer Quotes and Quotations]</ref>

==Effectual prayer==

All faithful Christians attest to answered prayer, as well as countless people who have prayed in times of crisis. An [[evangelical Christian]], [[George Mueller]] (1805-1898), probably best known as the "Father of Orphans", prayerfully met the needs of thousands of children. Mueller and his wife decided to depend on God alone to supply their needs - never again to approach people about them - and 68 years later Mueller had prayed in over seven and a half million dollars, and logged in his journal 50,000 specific answers to prayer - 5,000 were answered on the very day of their asking.<ref>http://www.eaec.org/faithhallfame/georgemuller.htm</ref>

==Prayer in government==
Prayer is a mandated part of governmental affairs within a [[theocracy]] such as [[Islam]], while voluntary prayer may play a part within governments which recognize [[separation of church and state]]. In contrast, refusal to acknowledge God is seen as practically conveying atheism, with prayer being excluded as part of [[atheistic]] systems such as [[Communism]].

In America, upon landing the pilgrims "Being thus arrived in a good harbor, and brought safe to land, they fell upon their knees, and blessed the God of heaven who had brought them over the vast and furious ocean and delivered them from all the perils and miseries thereof…" <ref>William Bradford
November 9, 1620; http://www.dailyencouragement.net/seasonal/pilgrim_history.html</ref>

Three days before George Washington took the oath of office as the first president of the United States, Congress passed the following resolution:

Resolved, That after the oath shall have been administered to the President, he, attended by the Vice President and members of the Senate and House of Representatives, shall proceed to St. Paul’s Chapel, to hear divine service. (Annals of Congress, Vol. 1, p. 25, April 27, 1789)

Samuel Provoost (1742–1815), the newly appointed chaplain of the United States Senate and first Episcopal bishop of New York, performed “divine service” at St. Paul’s Chapel on April 30, 1789, immediately following Washington’s inauguration.

In the aftermath of the Civil War and the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, the Rev. John G. Butler, pastor of Luther Place Memorial Church in Washington, D.C., and chaplain of both the U. S. House of Representatives (1865–1875) and the Senate (1886–1893), organized interfaith inaugural prayer meetings in the nation’s capital commencing in 1869. These services continued well into the twentieth century.<ref>http://www.nationalcathedral.org/about/presidentialInaugurals.shtml</ref>

In America, prayer and worship services have regularly been part of Inauguration Day activities.<ref>http://inaugural.senate.gov/history/daysevents/morningworshipservice.cfm</ref>

===Prayers by American Presidents===

In September 1789, Congress asked President George Washington to “recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging, with grateful hearts, the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a Constitution of government for their safety and happiness.”

Washington complied, and in early October sent a proclamation to the governors of the states.The proclamation asked the governors to make Thursday, November 26 a day of Thanksgiving, saying:

<blockquote>

Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor--and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me “to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.”
</blockquote>

<blockquote>
Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be--That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war--for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted--for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.
</blockquote>

<blockquote>
And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions--to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed--to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shown kindness onto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord--To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us--and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.

Given under my hand at the City of New-York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.

<ref>The Massachusetts Centinel, Wednesday, October 14, 1789</ref><ref>http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=40032</ref><ref>[http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/firsts/thanksgiving/original.html Thanksgiving Proclamation - The Original]</ref>
</blockquote>

*George Washington, an undated prayer for guidance from Washington's prayer journal, Mount Vernon:

<blockquote>
O eternal and everlasting God, I presume to present myself this morning before thy Divine majesty, beseeching thee to accept of my humble and hearty thanks, that it hath pleased thy great goodness to keep and preserve me the night past from all the dangers poor mortals are subject to, and has given me sweet and pleasant sleep, whereby I find my body refreshed and comforted for performing the duties of this day, in which I beseech thee to defend me from all perils of body and soul....

Increase my faith in the sweet promises of the gospel; give me repentance from dead works; pardon my wanderings, and direct my thoughts unto thyself, the God of my salvation; teach me how to live in thy fear, labor in thy service, and ever to run in the ways of thy commandments; make me always watchful over my heart, that neither the terrors of conscience, the loathing of holy duties, the love of sin, nor an unwillingness to depart this life, may cast me into a spiritual slumber, but daily frame me more and more into the likeness of thy son Jesus Christ, that living in thy fear, and dying in thy favor, I may in thy appointed time attain the resurrection of the just unto eternal life bless my family, friends, and kindred.
</blockquote>

*Thomas Jefferson; a prayer for the Nation (Washington D.C., March 4, 1801):

<blockquote>
Almighty God, Who has given us this good land for our heritage; We humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will. Bless our land with honorable ministry, sound learning, and pure manners. Save us from violence, discord, and confusion, from pride and arrogance, and from every evil way. Defend our liberties, and fashion into one united people, the multitude brought hither out of many kindreds and tongues. Endow with Thy spirit of wisdom those whom in Thy name we entrust the authority of government, that there may be justice and peace at home, and that through obedience to Thy law, we may show forth Thy praise among the nations of the earth. In time of prosperity fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail; all of which we ask through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
</blockquote>

*Abraham Lincoln; a prayer for peace (Second Inaugural address, March 4, 1865):

<blockquote>
Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet if God wills that it continues... until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid another drawn with the sword... so still it must be said that the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and for his orphans, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and a lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.</blockquote>.

*Franklin D. Roosevelt; a prayer in dark times (D-Day, June 6, 1944):

<blockquote>
Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity...

Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith. They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard. For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we know by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our sons will triumph...

Embrace these, Father, and receive them, Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom. And for us at home--fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters, and brothers of brave men overseas, whose thoughts and prayers are ever with them--help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice... Give us strength, too--strength in our daily tasks, to redouble the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of our armed forces.

With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogances. Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister nations into a world unity that will spell a sure peace--a peace invulnerable to the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all men live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil.
</blockquote>

*John F. Kennedy; a prayer of gratitude (Thanksgiving Day, 1963):

<blockquote>
Let us therefore proclaim our gratitude to Providence for manifold blessings--let us be humbly thankful for inherited ideals--and let us resolve to share those blessings and those ideals with our fellow human beings throughout the world.

On that day let us gather in sanctuaries dedicated to worship and in homes blessed by family affection to express our gratitude for the glorious gifts of God; and let us earnestly and humbly pray that He will continue to guide and sustain us in the great unfinished tasks of achieving peace, justice, and understanding among all men and nations and of ending misery and suffering wherever they exist.
</blockquote>

Jimmy Carter; a prayer for a meaningful life (inaugural address, January 20, 1977, and Thanksgiving speech to the nation, November 27, 1980):

<blockquote>
I would like to have my frequent prayer answered that God let my life be meaningful in the enhancement of His kingdom and that my life might be meaningful in the enhancement of the lives of my fellow human beings.

I call upon all the people of our Nation to give thanks on that day for the blessings Almighty God has bestowed upon us, and to join the fervent prayer of George Washington who as President asked God to "impart all the blessings we possess, or ask for ourselves to the whole family of mankind.
</blockquote>

Ronald Reagan; a prayer for healing (from a speech to the American people, February 6, 1986):

<blockquote>
To preserve our blessed land we must look to God... It is time to realize that we need God more than He needs us... We also have His promise that we could take to heart with regard to our country, that "If my people, which are called by my name shall humble themselves, and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

Let us, young and old, join together, as did the First Continental Congress, in the first step, in humble heartfelt prayer. Let us do so for the love of God and His great goodness, in search of His guidance and the grace of repentance, in seeking His blessings, His peace, and the resting of His kind and holy hands on ourselves, our nation, our friends in the defense of freedom, and all mankind, now and always.

The time has come to turn to God and reassert our trust in Him for the healing of America... Our country is in need of and ready for a spiritual renewal. Today, we utter no prayer more fervently than the ancient prayer for peace on Earth.

If I had a prayer for you today, among those that have all been uttered, it is that one we're so familiar with: "The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make His face to shine upon you and be gracious unto you; the Lord lift up His countenance upon you and give you peace...." And God bless you all.
</blockquote>

George H. W. Bush; a prayer to help others (Inaugural address, January 20, 1989):

<blockquote>
My first act as President is a prayer. I ask you to bow your heads.

Heavenly Father, we bow our heads and thank You for Your love. Accept our thanks for the peace that yields this day and the shared faith that makes its continuance likely. Make us strong to do Your work, willing to heed and hear Your will, and write on our hearts these words: "Use power to help people."

For we are given power not to advance our own purposes, nor to make a great show in the world, nor a name. There is but one just use of power, and it is to serve people. Help us to remember it, Lord.

The Lord our God be with us, as He was with our fathers; may He not leave us or forsake us; so that He may incline our hearts to Him, to walk in all His ways... that all peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God; there is no other.<ref>http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Faith-Tools/Meditation/2005/01/Prayers-Of-The-Presidents.aspx?p=2</ref>
</blockquote>

==Prayer in other religions==

In [[Hinduism]], Prayer is an integral part of the daily living. Chanting of [[mantras]] is the most important form of prayer in Hinduism. Some devotees meditate chanting different names of the Gods. Prayer is also a vital part of [[Islam]]. As part of their faith, they are required to say five prayers at certain times of the day facing Mecca. Each prayer must be recited in [[Arabic]].<ref>http://muslimvoices.org/muslim-prayer/</ref>

== How not to Pray ==

See the above section.

In the [[Sermon on the Mount]], [[Jesus]] warned against hypocrisy in prayer:<blockquote>"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full."<ref>Matt 6:5</ref></blockquote>

At the time, the religious authorities believed it was necessary to pray at specific times of the day, and would often make sure they were in large crowds of people when those times arose so that they could be seen and heard by all. Jesus did not approve of this.

Jesus also warned against a high word-to-substance ratio in prayer:<blockquote>"And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."<ref>Matt 6:7-8</ref></blockquote>

Pagan prayers at the time believed that there was power in continuous repetition of words, that if you said a word often enough, then you could eventually own that object or claim that power for yourself. Jesus condemned this.

==2 Peter 2:15: "''after my departure''"==

"'''I will make every effort ''even after my departure'' that you may always be able to remember these things'''" 2 Peter 1:15.

This verse is read by some as scriptural evidence of the apostolic doctrine of the [[intercession of the saints]] after they have ''departed in sleep'' to be with the Lord. Roman Catholic commentators, [[Cornelius a Lapide]] and others, have connected the words “''after my decease''” with the verb “''I will endeavour'',” and have thus construed the [[Exegesis|exegetical]] meaning of the Apostle’s words into an interpretation that makes them an argument for his continued watchfulness and superintendence over the development of the Church’s doctrine even after his death.

Others exegetically read it instead as Peter's promise while he is alive to "''make every effort that you may always be able to remember these things even after my departure''" (that is, so that they will not forget what he taught them concerning all things pertaining to life and godliness, 2 Peter 1:3-11.) It is thus read as an insistent parallel restatement of the immediately preceding verse, "''I think it right, as long as I am in this body, to arouse you by way of reminder.''"

One reading sees Peter determined to do this both before and after he dies, the other reading sees Peter, while he is alive, determined to make them remember even after he dies, "''as long as I am in this body''".
===interpretive translation===
The particular interpretive reading of the Greek text by the individual exegete determines (in this case, for the English translator) where to position the phrase "''after my departure''" in the translated text. This is expressed in the observation of [[Hermeneutics|hermeneutical studies]] that "the Bible is always read through the doctrinal lenses of the interpreter's personal theology, opening the eyes of some and closing others to what is actually there." Compare the following renderings of 2 Peter 1:15 in English:

:"'''I will make every effort ''even after my departure'' that you may always be able to remember these things.'''"
:"'''I will make every effort that you may always be able to remember these things ''even after my departure.'''''"

See the [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_peter/1-15.htm Interlinear Bible link]. Compare multiple versions of [http://biblehub.com/multi/2_peter/1-15.htm 2 Peter 1:15] and multiple [http://biblehub.com/commentaries/2_peter/1-15.htm commentaries].
===the Greek grammar of this text===
The Greek grammar favors the first reading, which supports the interpretation that Peter's stated intention is to assist them from heaven even after he dies. This is also the Orthodox and Catholic doctrine. The words ΔῈ ΚΑΊ following on ΣΠΟΥΔΆΣΩ seem to imply that the author would do something else besides the ὙΠΟΜΙΜΝΉΣΚΕΙΝ, whereby his readers after his death would be put in a position to remember what he now writes to them and all he taught. (Compare Jesus' words in John 14:25-26.) Other interpreters see some ambiguous evidence of possible grammatical latitude in the Greek structure of the sentence which allows the second reading. Such a reading by not referring to what Peter will do "''after my departure''" supports the Protestant doctrine that denies the traditional Catholic and Orthodox teaching about the intercession of the saints. The doctrine of the active intercessory ministry of the saints in heaven is dismissed by [[Evangelical Christianity|Evangelical]] theology as being a corrupt compromise with [[Superstition|superstitious]] [[Paganism|pagan]] [[polytheism]], and a [[blasphemy|blasphemous denial]] of the [[mediation]] of the One Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. [http://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_timothy/2-5.htm 1 Timothy 2:5]
===controversy: confusing the meaning of intercession and mediation===
Controversy over teachings about the prayers of the saints on behalf of the living is primarily rooted in confusing the meanings of "'''[[intercession]]'''" and "'''mediation'''". Many modern dictionaries give the current meanings as [[synonym]]ous, that the one is the other. Older usages of these terms show that they are not the same thing.

To [[intercede]] is to speak on behalf of another, to defend their cause, and to seek for favor or forgiveness from an estranged or hostile party (see 2 Samuel 14). In some situations, the intercessor seeks the decision of a judge to render a favorable decision or verdict.

To mediate is to bring together two parties at odds and estranged from one another by favorably representing the interests of both to each other by intercession, and then actively assisting them to completely remove actual barriers to their unity, by providing when necessary all the means of substantial reparation for all damage done by one party to the other or done mutually by each to the other. The mediator seeks to avoid having any recourse to a judge, and in principle will not himself or herself make a judgment either for or against either party involved in the dispute. In very extreme cases, the mediator, to avoid having the matter brought before a judge and to bring about actual peace, has personally arranged to make the absolutely necessary reparation required to remove the offense, and at great personal cost, solely to bring both parties together totally reconciled. Once this necessary reparation has been made, both of them afterward are able (if they will) to acknowledge that the very cause of what divided them has been completely removed. It no longer exists, and because it is gone there is no longer any substantial reason for their avoidance of each other and for acts of war, the one against the other, and the shutting out of the offending party. The compassionate act of the mediator has made this agreeable union possible. (U.S. law prohibits an authorized mediator acting directly to personally remove the cause of the dispute in order to resolve the conflict. See [[Conflict of interest]].)
====in summary====
An ''intercessor'' pleads the case, seeking a favorable judgment or at best a total dismissal of the charge brought against the [[Defendant|accused]] by the [[plaintiff]]. A ''mediator'' arranges for a full reconciliation through resolution of the conflict by proposing a just reparation or settlement agreeable to both parties, without pronouncing judgment in the matter, and without recourse to a judge. The case has been "settled out of court". See Matthew 5:25-26; Luke 12:57-59.
===prayer as petition===
In addition to differences in variant Christian understandings and misunderstandings of intercession and mediation, there is also a difference in variant Christian understandings of the meaning of the word "prayer", which anciently meant simply "petition".
:Most basically and fundamentally, to "[http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pray "'''pray'''"]" (verb) is "to [http://www.thefreedictionary.com/petition "'''petition'''"]" (''TheFreeDictionary.com'') Compare Conservapedia article '''Prayer'''.

Petitions to the governing authorities of a nation or people were usually introduced with the phrase, "''we pray you to'' [do this or that]". [[Attorney]]s for the prosecution and the defense even today frequently address the court (the bar), in words spoken or written, with the word "pray": for example, "''Your Honor, the defense prays the court to ...''". Formal petitions by governors to the king or queen anciently addressed that sovereign lord or lady first with a preamble acknowledgement of their authority, followed by the words: "''The people pray Your Majesty'' [to do this or that, ''or'' to cause to cease this or that] ''for the benefit of the realm''".

In ordinary society individuals often begged other individuals for a favor or benefit by praying them to consider some factor in their favor or some distress that needs to be addressed; for example a mother praying her husband, the father of their daughter or son, to forgive what the son or daughter has done.

Those who were not members of the court of the emperor or sovereign, nor members of the legislative body of the nation, but who wished to appeal for some relief or benefit for themselves or on behalf of another, normally petitioned a member of the court in favor with the ruler or governing council to favorably represent them and to personally present the petition or prayer on their behalf for due consideration, and request the sovereign or ruling body to render a favorable decision. This is the proper form. An individual with no official standing in the administration of the nation who entered and approached to represent himself or herself as having a legitimate petition would be held in contempt as [[Presumption|presumptuous and bold]], as having no respect for the authority of the court by going over their heads. In the military they would be guilty of circumventing the "appropriate chain of command". In none of these instances is divine worship meant by a prayer of petition to authority.
===narrowing the definition of prayer===
When the word prayer is narrowly defined and understood to mean '''''only''''' speaking to God, then its fuller meaning has been stripped away and its language has been abused and violated. Most often this occurs unconsciously, because of how the word is normally used in [[American]] culture. Many are surprised to discover its broader legitimate meaning as found in authoritative dictionaries of the English language.
===Reformation teaching: restricting the meaning of "pray"===
The Protestant Reformers in their struggle against the Catholic Church sought to promote pure piety and worship of God by eliminating the practice of prayers for the intercession of the saints in God's court of heaven by strictly defining prayer as meaning only petition to God. From this came the understanding that prayers to the saints to pray for us to God is a form of pagan idolatry, with the worship of saints taking the place of the worship of God (Colossians 2;18-19). They represented the intercession of the saints as the placing of a barrier between the Christian and the Savior, and as a disguised form of the pagan doctrine of the lesser and greater ascending levels of gods and goddesses who alone had right of access to the throne of God the Unknown. The Reformers sought to emphasize the sovereign dignity of each individual Christian as having a right to bypass the saints with direct access to the Majesty on High through Jesus Christ alone, as having the right to approach "''boldly''" the throne of grace without any necessity for intercession by any other being in heaven or on earth to support their prayers. ([http://biblehub.com/multi/hebrews/10-19.htm Hebrews 10:19]; [http://biblehub.com/multi/ephesians/3-12.htm Ephesians 3:12]; [http://biblehub.com/multi/1_john/4-17.htm 1 John 4:17]).

In the civil sphere of human activity the Reformers also objected to the distance that [[Monarchy|autocratic]] rulers maintained between themselves and their subjects by the bureaucratic structure of levels of administrators and ministers, governors and officials, officers and clerks, often perceived as interfering and obstructing the petitions of the people and as refusing to reasonably submit them to the ruler.

However, many regarded the Protestant interpretation of scripture in support of the dignity of individual human autonomy under Christ before God's Throne as an expression of [[Anarchism|philosophical anarchy]], and as subversively dangerous to the stability of Christian society; and also as being at its core strongly opposed to the virtue of [[humility]] (Romans 13:1-7). See [[Individualism]]. The Reformers were regarded as confusing "''arrogance''" and "''insulting effrontery''" with godly "''confidence''", and as regarding arrogant behavior on behalf of the Gospel as confident assurance in the face of ungodly opposition (Acts 4:13). The Catholic [http://reign.wikia.com/wiki/Charles_V,_Holy_Roman_Emperor Holy Roman Emperor Charles V] saw the Reformation movement as subversive to his reign, and an attack on Christianity through rejection of the established authority of the Catholic Church, and on this basis persecuted Protestants as fomenters of [[Revolution|insurrection]] and as anarchists.

[[Anarchism|Anarchy]] as a political philosophy is based on the individualist position that '''''no''''' human authority over individuals is '''''ever''''' legitimate and must be either passively disregarded (ignored, the KJV "''despised''") or actively resisted and overthrown. Thus no visible ruling authority or government on earth has been authorized or established by God. The Reformers saw proof of this in the suppression of the Reformation by Sovereigns, Popes and Patriarchs, who saw the leaders of the Reformation as rebelliously resisting what God has appointed (Romans 13:1-4).

The Reformation saw the established authorities of Church and State in their day as entrenched and stubborn ungodly evils to be rejected and finally eliminated before the Kingdom of God could be established on earth. They represented the corruption and abuse of authority by particular self-serving leaders in the Church in violation of the [[doctrine]] of the Church as evident proof that the whole of the doctrine of the Church itself was corrupted by the Devil. By the same reasoning the betrayal of Judas Iscariot, one of the Twelve, is representative of Christ's teaching. But even in our own day the corrupt practices of many politicians is not proof that the [[Constitution]] is the primary foundation of their corrupt betrayal of the ideals of the American Republic. The Reformers condemned those who said the emperor, the pope and the Church should be obeyed in accordance with what Paul had written in Romans 13:1-4. The Prophet [[Jeremiah]] was condemned by Judean false prophets and influential politicians as a traitor for declaring God's command to submit to the ungodly pagan rule of [[Nebuchadnezzar]] of [[Babylonian Empire|Babylon]] ([http://biblehub.com/commentaries/jeremiah/11-21.htm Jeremiah 11:21][http://biblehub.com/commentaries/jeremiah/29-27.htm Jeremiah 29:27] and [http://biblehub.com/commentaries/jeremiah/38-4.htm Jeremiah 38:4]), but that is what God had commanded.

During the original [[Communist Revolution]] in the early 20th century, revolutionary elements were called [[Anarchist]]s. The anarchist position is represented today in the United States by the [[Libertarian|Libertarian Party]] whose members use much milder methods of political persuasion, and in every election for president the Libertarian Party presents a Libertarian candidate.

Jesus told his followers to obey those corrupt leaders of the Jewish faith who represented Moses, but not to do what they do. ([http://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/23-2.htm Matthew 23:2-3]). As applied in principle to the leadership of the Catholic Church in the sixteenth century, the Protestant Reformers in '''[[conscience]]''' and in full accordance with their interpretation of the Bible found this obedience impossible, because of what they saw as irreparable evils and pagan influences entrenched within the doctrines of Catholicism. The command of Paul in Romans 13:1-4 and of Peter in 1 Peter 2:13-17 and of Hebrews 13:17 when applied with regard to the established authority of the Holy Roman Emperor, of the Pope and of the Catholic Sovereigns of Europe, was for the Reformers equally abhorrent and impossible in conscience for them to obey, even if it was in the Bible. They had reached the conclusion that the Holy Spirit was '''''not''''' guiding the Catholic Church into all truth, but had departed from her, and that Jesus Himself had '''''not''''' remained with her, but that '''[[Satan]]''' was ruling the Church instead. This is also the fundamental claim of [[The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints]]. On this basis many Orthodox and Catholic Christians depart and join Protestant churches.

Catholic and Orthodox [[Apologetics|apologists]] respond that this implies that Jesus broke his promises in John 14:15-17, 25-26; 15:26; 16:12-13; 17:9-11; Matthew 16:18-19; 28:19-20; and they point to Jesus' word about the church in Matthew 18:17-20 as being always true and reliable, and to the fact that Paul testified to Timothy that the Church is the "''pillar and ground of truth''" and to the Ephesians that the wisdom of God is revealed even to the powers in heaven through the Church (1 Timothy 3:15 and Ephesians 3:10). On this basis many Protestant Christians depart from their churches and become Catholic and Orthodox.

As applied to both sides of the controversy see the counsel of [[Gamaliel]] in '''Acts 5:38-39''' and the word of the angel in '''Revelation 22:10-11'''. See especially '''2 Timothy 2:23-26'''. These verses express the guiding principle of [[Ecumenical Movement|Ecumenism]].

Generally, abuse of language by changing or narrowing the meanings of key words in the culture of a whole people or within a particular subculture of the population is a strategy of cults and anti-Christian interests as a way to promote their ideas. [[George Orwell]] illustrated this in his novel '''''[[1984]]'''''. This has more recently been seen in attempts to redefine the meanings of [[marriage]] and [[Sex#Norms of social conduct|gender]], and the promotion of murder as compassionate medical care and as preventive medicine. See [[Eugenics]] and [[Planned Parenthood]].

The Protestant Evangelical and Fundamentalist churches have redefined the word "prayer" to mean '''''only''''' petition to God so that any kind of prayer addressed to any other person on earth or in heaven is a sin of idolatry offensive to God. But they do not hesitate to ask (request, petition) the police and fire rescue teams for help. They do not hesitate to ask (request, petition) their pastors and prayer groups and friends for help to join them in prayer and to pray for them and intercede with them to God on behalf of those who have need of prayer.

Orthodox and Catholic Christians claim that this is all that they mean by asking for the intercession of the saints in heaven for their help on behalf of themselves and others, because they are alive and their power and authority comes from God alone who has appointed them as protectors and helpers of souls for their salvation and for his glory alone. They claim that in honoring the saints alive in heaven they are honoring God, "''but it is the same God which worketh all in all''" 1 Corinthians 12:6, "''For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him''" Luke 20:38.

The Christian Fundamentalist response is that the saints are dead and can do nothing, and only God can answer prayer. Compare [http://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/17-3.htm Matthew 17:3]; [http://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/22-32.htm 22:32]. See also [http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/a96.htm '''Communion of Saints: Dead or Alive in Christ?''']

It is a basic fact of human nature that if any practice, [[Religion|religious]] or [[secular]], pagan or Christian, Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, Fundamentalist, Independent, Non-denominational, [[Humanism|Humanist]], is represented or misrepresented as an [[evil]], then those who believe what they are told about that practice, and who wish to do good, will sincerely avoid that practice as being a sin, a thing harmful to individuals and to society as a whole, and will oppose it, either publicly in speeches, sermons, and public [[media]], or privately in their conversations with each other.

===the doctrinal agendas of Bible translators===
The beliefs of committees of biblical translation and of individual translators have directly affected their translations of particular passages of the scriptures into English, sometimes deliberately slanted to support their doctrinal beliefs ([[Cafeteria Christian#Proof texts|Proof texts]]). '''2 Peter 1:15''' is only one example. See the following:
*[http://bibleprobe.com/falsebibles.htm '''False versions of the Bible''' (bibleprobe.com)].
*[http://www.bible-researcher.com/kjvdefects.html '''''The Revised New Testament and History of Revision'' (1881) "Defects of the King James Version"''' (bible-researcher.com)] [[Isaac H. Hall]].

== See also ==
*[[Classroom prayer]]
*[[Hail Mary]]
*[[Rosary]]
*[[Sinner's prayer]]
*[[The Lord's Prayer]]
*[[Nicene Creed]]
*[[Transmigration of Words in Religion: an essay]]

== External links ==

* [http://www.studylight.org/enc/isb/view.cgi?number=T7055 Prayer, The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia]
*[http://books.google.com/books?id=T22qP23L0wwC&pg=PA73&lpg=PA73&dq=Notable+Prayers+in+the+Bible&source=bl&ots=BzZZpk-8P2&sig=m5Rju2WEIf8glC-qe_Gc8gC6lFw&hl=en&ei=HT76Scy3IpO-Mui_lLwE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6#PPA8,M1 All the Prayers of the Bible, with commentary. Online book by Herbert Lockyer]
*[http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/BIBLE-PRAYERS.html Compilation of most of the prayers in the Bible]
*[http://christianity.about.com/od/prayersinthebible/qt/bibleprayersind.htm Collection of Notable Prayers Found in the Bible]
*[http://www.catholic.org/prayers/ Prayers] Catholic Online.
*[http://www.scborromeo.org/prayers.htm Prayers]
*[http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1879016,00.html The Biology of Belief]
*[http://www.prayface.com Online Prayer]
*[http://www.mrmatthewhenry.com Read Matthew Henry's classic prayerbook 'A Method for Prayer' for free]

== References==
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[[Category:Christianity]]

Essay:Greatest Conservative TV Shows

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==The greatest conservative television shows==
{| class="wikitable sortable"
|-
!Title
!Original run
!Network
!TV rating
!Description
|-
|''7th Heaven''
|1996-2007
|[[Warner Bros.|The WB / The CW]]
|TV PG
|The family of a Christian minister deals with moral and controversial themes, approached from a socially and politically conservative Protestant viewpoint. It has the distinction of having been the longest-running family drama in U.S. television history; starring Stephen Collins.[http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/pr/0,20812,1028153,00.html]
|-
|''21 Jump Street''
|1987-1991
|[[Fox Network|Fox]]
|NR
|Undercover cops do everything they can, do stop young people (teenagers) from their lives being ruined (mostly because of drug usage). Very anti-drug.
|-
|''[[24]]''
|2001-2010
|Fox
|TV 14
|Jack Bauer (played by Kiefer Sutherland) protects America at all costs against all terrorists, whether Islamic, European, Communist Chinese, African, and even the US government. Followed by a 2017 sequel, ''24: Legacy'', with Corey Hawkins as main character and ex-Army Ranger Eric Carter, who battles Islamic terrorists planning attacks on American soil.
|-
|''[[The 700 Club]]''
|1966–present
|Christian Broadcasting Network, Freeform, first-run syndication
|
|Christian-oriented news magazine show presenting musical performances, testimonies from guests, ministry, Bible study and current news, events, lifestyle reports and investigative reporting. Current hosts include [[Pat Robertson]] (the show's creator and original host), Gordon P. Robertson, Terry Meeuwsen and Wendy Griffith.
|-
|''Absolutely Fabulous''
|1992-2012
|BBC1 (UK)
|
|Shows the struggles of a responsible, hardworking teenager to succeed in life despite having a feckless liberal mother and an absentee liberal father. Strong anti-drug, anti-alcohol, anti-casual sex messages throughout.
|-
|''Adam-12''
|1968-1975
|NBC
|TV rating PG
|Spinoff of Jack Webb-produced ''Dragnet'', also based on actual cases and more than one per episode, this time focusing on LAPD street patrol officers Peter Malloy and James (Jim) Reed. Same good examples as ''Dragnet''. Was remade into a limited (Los Angeles and New York City) syndication show in 1989-1991 with unknown main players, new characters and situations. None of the original series' three main players (Martin Milner, Kent McCord, William Boyett) ever fell victim to Hollywood Values, (ex. they stayed married to their same wives, with nine children between them. Milner (who died in 2015 at age 83) had four, McCord had three and Boyett (who died in 2004 at age 77) had two and became a grandfather twice over). One episode, "Baby" in 1969, was said to be based on Kent McCord's own real life wife's birth of one of their own children that year.
|-
|''Adam''
|1983
|NBC
|TV NR
|TV made film on the abduction and murder of [[John Walsh]]'s son Adam in 1981 and his crusade for missing and exploited children. Followed by a sequel, ''Adam: His Song Continues'' (1986).
|-
|''The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet''
|1952-1966
|ABC
|
|Long running comedy show epitomizing 1950s stable families and family values, featuring fictionalized versions of the real-life Nelson family (bandleader Ozzie Nelson, his wife Harriet and their sons David and Ricky). The sitcom ran for 14 seasons and switched from its original black-and-white format to color in its final season in 1965. A sequel series, ''Ozzie's Girls'', where David and Ricky were absent but two college girls move into the boys' old room as Ozzie and Harriet's boarders, aired in first-run syndication in 1973–74.
|-
|''[[American Idol]]''
|2002-2016
|[[Fox Network|Fox]]
|TV-PG
|Allows the best of the public to come to the fore musically.
|-
|''America's Most Wanted''
|1988-2011
|Fox TV
|TV NR/PG13
|[[John Walsh]] hosts news documentary of well known suspects and fugitives, their crimes and captures. Was the real life father of above mentioned Adam Walsh and subject of above mentioned TV films named for him.
|-
|''The Andy Griffith Show''
|1960–1968
|[[CBS]]
|TV-G
|Andy Griffith stars as Andy Taylor, small-town sheriff and widowed father of young son Opie Taylor (played by Ron Howard), who keeps law and order in his hometown of Mayberry, North Carolina, assisted by his bumbling but well-meaning deputy Barney Fife (Don Knotts). Andy and Opie's Aunt Bee (Frances Bavier) lives at the Taylor house as a live-in housekeeper and mother/grandmother figure to Opie, and other friends and neighbors of Andy's include local barber Floyd Lawson (Howard McNear), gas station attendant/mechanic and occasional deputy Gomer Pyle (Jim Nabors) and his cousin Goober Pyle (George Lindsey), town drunk Otis Campbell (Hal Smith), county clerk Howard Sprague (Jack Dodson), school teacher (and later Andy's love interest) Helen Crump (Aneta Corsaut), Aunt Bee's best friend Clara Edwards (Hope Summers), Barney's girlfriend Thelma Lou (Betty Lynn), repair shop owner Emmett Clark (Paul Hartman) and local farmer Sam Jones (Ken Berry).

The show focused on Andy's approach to [[law enforcement|enforcing the law]] in Mayberry as he uses common sense, mediation and conciliation to settle disputes among the townsfolk while taking on and defeating out-of-town criminals on occasion using practicality and understanding of each case (and, when necessary, a firearm), along with his home life as he raises Opie with Aunt Bee's help (showing the importance of [[family]]), and his social life as he hangs out with Floyd and other friends at Floyd's barber shop or takes out women he is dating (including Helen in later seasons) on picnics or for nights out for dinner and a movie or dancing. A spinoff series, ''Gomer Pyle, USMC'', centered around good-natured bumpkin Gomer and his time spent in the [[United States Marine Corps]], while ''Mayberry RFD'', a sequel series to ''The Andy Griffith Show'', focused on Sam Jones, his young son Mike (Buddy Foster) and many of Mayberry's citizens, with Andy and Helen finally getting married on that show's series premiere. A 1986 reunion movie, ''Return to Mayberry'', brought most of the show's surviving cast members back together as Andy returned to Mayberry to run for sheriff again in a campaign against his former deputy Barney.

''The Andy Griffith Show'' ran on CBS for eight seasons, with the first five seasons filmed in black-and-white before switching to color for the remaining seasons. It was a Top Ten performer throughout its run, finishing its final season as the number-one show on American television, and it continues to air in syndication to the present.
|-
|''The Apprentice''
|2004-
|NBC
|NR
|Liberals stopped watching when they realized that [[Donald Trump]] might be conservative.
|-
|''Beakman's World''
|1992-1998
|CBS
|TV-G
|An eccentric scientist named Beakman teaches children about science better than the [[Department of Education]] ever could, the [[free market]] at work.
|-
|''Bibleman''
|1995-2010
|Direct to video
|
|Christian superhero defends Christianity against evildoers who seek to suppress it and its followers and turn them to lives of atheism and evil.
|-
|''Black Saddle''
|1959-1960
|ABC
|
|Peter Breck plays Clay Culhane, a gunfighter-turned-lawyer who seeks to help those in need of legal representation; co-starring Russell Johnson as Marshal Gib Scott.
|-
|''Blue Bloods''
|2010-
|[[CBS]]
|TV-PG
|Conservative police officer show, that also promotes family. Stars conservative actor Tom Selleck as officer Frank Reagan (a possible name reference to Ronald Reagan). It also features Christian principles, with religion playing a fairly major role in several episodes, and each episode also ending with the Reagan family saying prayers before a meal (with such an overt depiction of Christian principles being rare on present-day TV).
|-
|''The Bob Newhart Show''
|1972-1978
|CBS
|TV-G
|A mockery of how insane people may become in a secular world.
|-
|''Bonanza''
|1959-1973
|NBC
|TV-G
|Western promoting good neighborliness, family values and the pursuit of just causes, with Lorne Greene, Dan Blocker, Pernell Roberts and Michael Landon, joined in later seasons by David Canary, Mitch Vogel and Tim Matheson. ''Bonanza'' was the third-longest running Western series in television history with its fourteen-season run, behind ''Death Valley Days'' (at 18 seasons) and ''Gunsmoke'' (at 20 seasons).
|-
|''[[The Brady Bunch]]''
|1969-1974
|[[ABC]]
|TV-G
|Pro-family sitcom classic. The show is a wholesome sitcom, although highly unlikely, suburban [[Los Angeles]] [[blended family]]-a widow ([[Florence Henderson]]) with three daughters and a widower ([[Robert Reed]]) with three sons.
|-
|''[[Broken Arrow (TV series)|Broken Arrow]]''
|1956-1958
|[[ABC]]
|TV NR/PG
|A compassionate Indian agent, Tom Jeffords, played by John Lupton, forges a friendship with the [[Apache]] [[Indian]] Cochise, portrayed by Michael Ansara; set in [[Arizona]].
|-
|''CHiPS''
|1977-1983
|NBC
|TV rating PG
|Rick Rosner (California Highway Patrol member)-produced light motorcycle dramedy mix on mostly Los Angeles' freeways, beaches and streets, operating through L.A.'s CHP Central station.
|-
|''[[Chuck]]''
|2007-2012
|NBC
|PG
|A computer repair technician accidentally downloads numerous top-secret government files into his brain and is recruited by the CIA, seeing as he can help them crack their toughest cases with his ability to rapidly shuffle through and find images in his head relevant to particular elements of a mission. The show emphasizes family values, honor, and a respect for our nation's servicemen, with one character, the brutish but patriotic NSA agent John Casey, as an outspoken conservative and [[Ronald Reagan]] supporter.
|-
|''Coming Home''
|2011–2012
|Lifetime
|
|Shows American war veterans coming home to their families.
|-
|''The Commish''
|1991-1996
|ABC
|TV rating NR (PG ?)
|Former New York City PD detective Tony Scali (Michael Chiklis) moves upstate to a small town police department and uses creativity instead of much violence to fight crime in the fictitious city of Eastbridge, New York. He has the same amount of genuine concern (love) for his family as he does for his city and its police force.
|-
|''The Cosby Show''
|1984-1992
|NBC
|TV-G
|Long-running Bill Cosby sitcom promoting good family values.
|-
|''The Critic''
|1994-1995
|[[ABC]], [[Fox]]
|TV-PG
|A comedy about a critic fed up with the terrible movies that are ruined by their [[Hollywood values]] (His catchphrase was "It stinks!"). It was released in an industry run by [[liberals]], and that may be why it was cancelled before its time.
|-
|''Dad's Army''
|1968-1977
|BBC1 (UK)
|
|Portrays the determination of ordinary British people to resist the might of Hitler's [[liberal]] Nazi forces. Emphasizes the importance of never ever cooperating with an invader, not even giving them your name.
|-
|''Daniel Boone''
|1964-1970
|NBC
|G
|As the title music sang, "he fought for America, to make all Americans free", with Fess Parker in the starring role.
|-
|''Death Valley Days''
|1952-1970
|Syndicated
|NR/PG
|Historically-based dramatic Western presentations hosted at different times by Stanley Andrews, [[Ronald Reagan]], Robert Taylor, and Dale Robertson. It ran at times under other titles, such as ''Trails West'', with Ray Milland. This was the second-longest running Western series in television history (behind only ''Gunsmoke''), with new episodes aired from 1952 to 1970, followed by reruns (with new narration added) until 1975.
|-
|''The Dick Van Dyke Show''
|1961-1966
|CBS
|
|Pro-marriage and pro-family, this series launched the career of Mary Tyler Moore.
|-
|''Dirty Jobs''
|2005-2012
|Discovery Channel
|TV-14
|Trade activist Mike Rowe isn't exactly liberals cup of tea.
|-
|''Dog the Bounty Hunter''
|2004-2012
|[[A & E]]
|TV-PG
|A public prayer to [[Jesus]] launches each new bounty mission; good guys enforcing law and order. [[Born Again Christian]], Duane "Dog" Chapman, promotes American values as he hunts down criminals. After capturing wanted fugitives, Dog tells them that they need to give their life over to Christ.
|-
|''The Donna Reed Show''
|1958-1966
|ABC
|TV-G
|Situation comedy of an upper-middle-class family in Hillsdale (state not given), with Donna Reed in the role of Donna Stone, wife of a pediatrician, played by Carl Betz.
|-
|''Dragnet''
|1951–1959; 1967-1970
|NBC
|TV-PG
|Starring Jack Webb as Sgt. Joe Friday and his partners (Ben Romero, Ed Jacobs and Frank Smith in the 1951 original, Joe Gannon in the 1967 revival) solving actual cases from the files of the Los Angeles Police Department. Great use of law enforcement jargon by the officers while educating the public on the Rule of Law. Showed fine examples of moral conduct, honor of self/others and sacrifice for the good of the public.
|-
|''Duck Dynasty''
|2012-2017
|A&E
|TV-PG
|Portrays the lives of the Robertson family, whom contain strong Christian beliefs, and are also active hunters.
|-
|''Emergency!''
|1972-1977, with TV movie specials, "The Final Rescues", periodically from Winter 1978-Summer 1979.
|NBC
|TV-PG
|Webb's second spin-off from ''Dragnet'' is a medical drama about Station 51 of the Los Angeles County Fire Department, its paramedics and the activities of Rampart General Hospital and its staff. Starred Robert Fuller, Julie London and Bobby Troup as the Rampart medics, Randolph Mantooth and Kevin Tighe as the Station 51 paramedics and Michael Norrell, Tim Donnelly, Marco Lopez and real-life fireman Mike Stoker as the Station 51 firefighters.
|-
|''The Equalizer''
|1985-1989
|CBS
|TV-PG
|Spy drama follows Robert McCall ([[Edward Woodward]]) through [[New York City]] as he helps people in extreme situations against all odds of their success in overcoming these problems.
|-
|''[[Everybody Loves Raymond]]''
|1996-2005
|CBS
|TV-PG
|Sitcom with sportswriter Ray Barone and his comical everyday life with his wacky but faithful family. Portrays family values in a positive way while overcoming obstacles in a comic fashion.
|-
|''The Exorcist''
|2016-
|FOX
|TV-14
|Television show based on the conservative film of the same name.
|-
|''[[Family Ties]]''
|1982-1989
|[[NBC]]
|TV-PG
|Dramedy series about how hardworking [[conservative]] children, e.g. Michael J. Fox, outsmart their [[liberal]], ex-[[hippie]], underachieving parents.
|-
|''[[Faye Emerson's Wonderful Town]]''
|1951-1952
|[[CBS]]
|
|Once a daughter-in-law of [[Franklin D. Roosevelt]] and a wife of Skitch Henderson, Faye Emerson presents the most memorable songs associated with various cities, mostly in the United States; in its day, this was one of the most expensive programs to present to the public.
|-
|''[[Full House]]''
|1987-1995
|ABC
|TV-G
|Family sitcom where after losing his wife to a drunk driver, a younger father has his brother-in-law and best friend move in with him, to help raise his three young daughters. Despite this, the importance of having a male and female parent is still encouraged. Starting in Season Two, Becky Donaldson (Jesse's girlfriend and later wife) becomes a mother figure for the girls. Followed by a more liberal-leaning sequel, ''Fuller House'', which debuted on Netflix in 2016 and promotes more liberal values and politics (including the trashing of [[Donald Trump]] in the pilot episode) and shows them in a positive light, as well as looking very much like nearly every live-action [[Disney Channel]] show produced in recent years. Series star Candace Cameron Bure, who appears in both shows and was also a panelist on ABC talk show ''The View'' (acting as the conservative counterpoint to the show's heavily liberal panelists), is a born-again Christian and is socially conservative.
|-
|''Ghost Whisperer''
|2005-2010
|CBS
|TV-PG
|Antique shop owner Melinda Gordon helps restless spirits cross over to Heaven. Some episodes have Melinda also opposing evil forces who seek to interfere with her work and drag those same spirits into Hell.
|-
|''The Glenn Beck Show''
|
|[[Fox News]]
|
|Public affairs program.
|-
|''[[The Goldbergs]]''
|2013-
|ABC
|TV-PG
|A television producer narrates his life growing up in the 1980s in a reverent throwback to the pro-family sitcoms of the decade. Though the kids seem to support Ronald Reagan's liberal rival [[Walter Mondale]] in one episode concerning the 1984 Presidential election, politics is otherwise downplayed in the series, and the kids do learn over time conservative values such as hard work and getting along with their elders.
|-
|''Hand of God''
|2014-2017
|Amazon Originals
|TV-MA
|Themes of overcoming corruption through faith in God. The main character believes he is the newly anointed [[Solomon]] following God-Given visions to take vengeance for his comatose son. Criticizes abortion, intimacy outside of marriage, drug usage, and supports family unity.
|-
|''[[Hannity (TV show)|Hannity]]'' (formerly ''Hannity and Colmes'')
|2009-
|Fox News
|
|Sean Hannity's television public affairs program.
|-
|''Hardcastle & McCormick''
|1983-1986
|ABC
|TV-PG
|Los Angeles County Superior Court's Milton C. Hardcastle (Brian Keith) goes after about 200 cases who walked away on technicalities with the help of a former race car driver-turned-reformed criminal, Mark McCormick (Daniel Hugh Kelly).
|-
|''Have No Fear: The Life of Pope John Paul II''
|December 1, 2005
|ABC
|TV-PG
|Thomas Kretchmann played the late pontiff, from his non-violent resistance to Nazism and Communism to his elevations as priest, archbishop, cardinal and his life as the titular pontiff. Includes his confrontation of El Salvador's archbishop [[Oscar Romero]] about Romero's leftist [[liberation theology]], just before Romero's tragic assassination.
|-
|''Hawaii-Five-O''
|1968-1980
|CBS
|TV-PG
|Even in what might be expected to be a lazy, hazy paradise, the law is still the law, with Jack Lord and James MacArthur. A reboot of the series was launched in 2010.
|-
|''Highway To Heaven''
|1984-1989
|NBC
|TV-PG
|[[Michael Landon]] comes back to Earth as an angel to help many people, aided by [[Victor French]], both from NBC's previous ''Little House on the Prairie''.
|-
|''Home Improvement''
|1991-1999
|ABC
|TV-PG
|A pro-family sitcom starring conservative comedian Tim Allen as Tim "The Tool Man" Taylor, the host of the hardware-themed variety show ''Tool Time''. Though the character is usually depicted as overconfident and accident-prone, he does try to maintain healthy relationships with his nuclear family.
|-
|''House of Cards''
|2013–present
|Netflix original series
|TV-MA
|Shows Democrats as they really are - corrupt frauds and atheists, and shows Christians in positive light.
|-
|''[[JAG (TV series)|JAG]]''
|1995-1996; 1997-2005
|NBC; CBS
|TV-PG / TV-14
|Also emphasizes pro-military honor and respect. Title means Judge Advocate General, which deals with people charged with crimes committed while in the U.S. military. Does include some ungodly behavior, including adultery as the series progresses.
|-
|''[[John Adams]]'' (miniseries)
|2008
|[[HBO]]
|TV-14
| Biographical miniseries on the life of the Founding Father and second President of the Untied States, based on the best selling biography by [[David McCullough]].
|-
|''[[Justified]]''
|2010-
|FX Network
|TV-MA
|Deputy US Marshal Raylan Givens, a 19th century-style tough cowboy lawman, enforces his own brand of justice when dealing with criminals of all kinds in the hill country of eastern Kentucky. His boss, the Chief Deputy US Marshal Art Mullen, is played by Nick Searcy, a noted conservative actor. The most recent season has frequent reflections on Christianity and being loved and saved by God.
|-
|''Karol: A Man Who Became Pope''
|2005
|Hallmark Channel
|TV NR (PG for some violence and adult discussions)
|[[Biopic]] of younger Karol Wojtyla, from World War II Resistance to his election as [[Pope John Paul II]]. Followed by a Canadian sequel, ''Karol: The Pope The Man'' (2006), which itself chronicled the events from his papal inauguration in 1978 to his death in 2005.
|-
|''La notte della Repubblica''
|1989-1990
|Rai 2
|N/A
|Shows how [[Communism]] ruined [[Italy]] from the late 60's to the early 80's.
|-
|''Laramie''
|1959-1963
|NBC
|NR
|John Smith and Robert Fuller portray ranch partners Slim Sherman and Jess Harper; many episodes focus on their close friendship, which also extended off the set; Hoagy Carmichael appeared the first season as their housekeeper; Spring Byington filled that role in the last two seasons.
|-
|''[[Last Man Standing]]''
|2011-2017
|ABC
|TV-PG
|Conservative show starring Tim Allen as Mike Baxter, a marketing director for a sporting goods store chain called Outdoor Man, who strives to keep his manhood (fishing, hunting, sports and camping), and promotes conservative values (including supporting the military), in opposition to his antagonistic liberal daughter Kristin (the oldest of three daughters Mike has with his wife Vanessa) and her equally-liberal husband Ryan, who often clashes with both Mike and Vanessa over political, cultural and philosophical issues. Unlike the similar and more vehement clashes between Archie Bunker and Mike Stivic in ''[[All in the Family]]'' where the latter comes out on top due to ignorance and lack of ability to make cohesive arguments on Archie's part, however, it is the often-clueless and hypocritical Ryan who ends up on the losing end of arguments with the more well-versed and level-headed Mike. On the other hand, Mike gets along very well with his youngest daughter Eve due to them sharing similar political views and interests, as he does with Boyd, Kristin and Ryan's son and Mike's grandson (and as expected, Kristin and Ryan are not impressed that Boyd has more in common with his grandfather than with them). Unfortunately, the liberal parent network [[ABC]] proceeded to cancel the series due to its pro-Donald Trump humor, despite it having high ratings.<ref>http://www.dailywire.com/news/16317/despite-high-ratings-abc-cancels-trump-friendly-john-nolte?utm_source=dwemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=051117-news&utm_campaign=position1</ref> This resulted in Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker taking to Twitter to denounce ABC for the decision,<ref>https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/862697237817765888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailywire.com%2Fnews%2F16450%2Fabc-hit-boycott-canceling-last-man-standing-hank-berrien</ref> as well as a boycott against ABC and a petition demanding that ABC bring back ''Last Man Standing'', the latter getting over 10,000 signatures within the night the petition was first made.<ref>http://www.dailywire.com/news/16450/abc-hit-boycott-canceling-last-man-standing-hank-berrien?utm_source=dwemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=051517-news&utm_campaign=position3</ref>
|-
|''Lawman''
|1958-1962
| ABC
|
|John Russell as Marshal Dan Troop; Peter Brown as deputy Johnny McKay, and Peggie Castle as Lily; this [[Warner Bros.]] series sought to maintain highest script quality so as not to be "just another Western."
|-
|''[[The Lawrence Welk Show]]''
|1955-1982
|ABC; first-run syndication
|TV-G
|A family oriented variety show that appealed to Midwestern values. Cancelled by ABC in 1971 during the Rural Purge, the show quickly jumped to first-run syndication, where it would enjoy an 11-year run before ending in 1982.
|-
|''Legends of the Hidden Temple''
|1993-1995
|Nickelodeon
|TV-Y
|[[Game show]] that uses a conservative elimination format (ensuring only the most meritorious players survive to play the final round) and is unyielding in difficulty. Also, it refuses to succumb to [[liberal]] beliefs in archeology that keep historical sites and artifacts off limits, instead promoting the conservative ''Indiana Jones'' persona.
|-
|''Life Goes On''
|1989-1993
|ABC
|TV-G / TV-PG
|Follows the experiences of a young man with Down Syndrome and recognizes the dignity of people with developmental disabilities and the joy and love they give to their families and others.
|-
|''Life is Worth Living''
|1952-1957
|Dumont TV; ABC
|TV-G
|Emmy Award-winning show dealing with moral issues hosted by Archbishop [[Fulton J. Sheen]]; from 10 to 30 million people watched the show weekly.
|-
|''[[Little House on the Prairie]]''
|1974-1983
|NBC
|TV-G
|A show that celebrates family values and the courage of the 1870s-1880s pioneers, starring Michael Landon and based on [[Laura Ingalls Wilder]]'s books.
|-
|''Luke Cage''
|2016-
|Netflix
|TV-MA
|Based on the Marvel comic book character of the same name, Luke Cage promotes good pro-American and conservative values, which has annoyed many liberals.<ref>http://heatst.com/entertainment/luke-cage-criticized-for-its-conservative-and-respectability-politics/</ref>
|-
|''[[Magnum P.I.|Magnum, P.I.]]''
|1980-88
|CBS
|NR
|Crime/Drama TV show starring conservative actor Tom Selleck, the show has many conservative values such as having good character, being pro-second amendment, and being pro-America.
|-
|''Mayberry RFD''
|1968–1971
|CBS
|TV-G
|Sequel to ''The Andy Griffith Show'', starring Ken Berry as widowed farmer Sam Jones (who was introduced in the previous series), who raises his young son Mike (Buddy Foster) in Mayberry while serving as head of the town council. Many characters from ''The Andy Griffith Show'', including Aunt Bee, Goober Pyle, Clara Edwards, Howard Sprague and Emmett Clark, also appear as regulars on this series. ''Mayberry RFD'' spent its first two seasons at #4 in the Nielsen ratings and was still popular when CBS abruptly cancelled it in 1971 as part of its infamous Rural Purge.
|-
|''McLeod's Daughters''
|2001-2009
|Nine Network (Australia)
|
|Australian drama about two estranged half-sisters who inherit their late father's farm and must work together to bring the property out of debt. Stresses the importance of family and hard work. The show also eschews modern [[feminism]], instead portraying the main characters as [[Gone with the Wind|Scarlett O'Hara]]-type heroines. Also clearly anti-[[gun control]].
|-
|''The Middle''
|2009-
|ABC
|TV-PG
|Despite having a homosexual character (he's only a minor character though, and doesn't come out until later in the series), the show is clean cut pro-family sitcom, which has been lacking in recent years. As the kids grow up, they become more mature and learn the importance of taking on more responsibilities. Conservative actress Patricia Heaton stars as the family matriarch, who also narrates the series.
|-
|''Mission: Impossible''
|1966-1973; 1988-1990
|CBS, ABC
|TV-G / TV-PG
|Emphasizes teamwork, friendship, professionalism, and American ingenuity and exceptionalism, which can overcome any obstacle, with Steven Hill (in the first season), Peter Graves, Martin Landau, Barbara Bain, Greg Morris, Peter Lupus, Leonard Nimoy, Lesley Ann Warren, Sam Elliott and Lynda Day George. Followed by a two-season revival on ABC in 1988 and a series of feature films starring Tom Cruise (which are only loosely based on the original series, having little in common beyond the name and a remixed version of the iconic series theme).
|-
|''[[NCIS]]''
|2003-
|CBS
|TV-14
|Show about U.S. Navy investigators, voted ''America's favorite program in 2011''; starring Mark Harmon and David McCallum. Does include some unneeded and un-Christian activity and language.
|-
|''Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide''
|2004–2007
|Nickelodeon
|TV-G
|The show is about Ned Bigby, a middle schooler who has created a makeshift guide on how to survive school. Where every student has the opportunity to succeed or fail, and their results are based on the decisions they made. Many morals are shown, as the shows mainly promotes friendship, hard work, integrity, and personal responsibility. The show ran on Nickelodeon before they produced more liberal shows such as ''iCarly'' and ''Victorious''.
|-
|''On the Buses''
|1969-1973
|London Weekend Television/ITV (UK)
|
|Britcom which made fun of the inefficiency of public transport, which most [[liberals]] are obsessed with.
|-
|''Our Man Higgins''
|1962-1963
|ABC
|G
|Stanley Holloway plays an English butler for an American family in a situation comedy with a dose of "culture clash". Frank Maxwell and Audrey Totter played the parents, and [[Ricky Kelman]] was the son, Tommy MacRoberts.
|-
|''Parking Wars''
|2008-
|A & E
|TV-PG
|Demonstrates the offensiveness of overbearing government bureaucracy while maintaining a respect for law officers.
|-
|''Pawn Stars''
|2009-
|History Channel/A & E
|TV-PG
|Centered on the daily activity of a family-owned pawn shop full of compelling artifacts, it shows how two parties can **mutually and fairly benefit** from a negotiated free-market transaction, independent of any government "assistance".
|-
|''Pope John Paul II''
|December 4 & 7, 2005
|CBS
|TV-PG
|In this biopic miniseries, conservative actor [[Jon Voight]] portrays Pope [[John Paul II]], who was influential in Part 1's non-violent resistance to [[World War II]]'s Nazism and the subsequent [[Cold War]]'s [[Communists]], eventually defeating Communism in Part 2's end of Scene 16 (circa 1989). Part 1 covers his years as priest, professor, bishop and cardinal. Part 2 covers his 26-1/2 year pontificate from his election up to his death. [[Cary Elwes]] played younger Wojtyla in Part 1 from ages 19 to just before his pontifical election at 58, while Voight took over at the start of Part 2 in the title role.
|-
|''The Pretender''
|1996-2000
|[[NBC]]
|TV-PG
|Pro-life and with a message of charity and self-sacrifice as personal responsibility.
|-
|''The Prisoner''
|1967-1968
| [[ITV]]
|TV-PG
|Classic British TV show about a secret agent who is sent to a strange "village" in order to determine the reasons for his resignation. The Prisoner is a metaphor for the Individual against the Collective. The series ran for only seventeen episodes.
|-
|''Quincy, M.E.''
|1976-1983
|NBC
|TV-PG
|Follows the now late Jack Klugman as Los Angeles County's Medical Examiner on suspicious cases (e.g. deaths) and medical mistakes that were previously thought to have been solved but later found to have had more about them than what was originally thought, but that these facts were often hidden by [[bureaucracy]]. Begun as a segment of the ''NBC Mystery Movie'', it proved popular enough to be spun off as a regular series.
|-
|''Rawhide''
|1959-1965
|CBS
|
|Pro-Western Culture led by none other then [[Clint Eastwood]] as Rowdy Yates, the ramrod of a cattle drive led by trail boss Gil Favor (played by Eric Fleming) in the post-Civil War American Southwest. Other prominent members of the drive included cook/medic G.W. Wishbone (played by Paul Brinegar), scout Pete Nolan (Sheb Wooley), drovers Jim Quince (Steve Raines) and Joe Scarlet (Rocky Shahan), wrangler Jesús "Hey Soos" Patines (Robert Cabal) and assistant cook Mushy Mushgrove III (James Murdock). During the cattle drive, the drovers often encountered people along the trail and get involved in solving problems they encountered, including dealing with parched plains, trouble with outlaws, anthrax affecting some of the cattle, predatory wolves or cougars, cattle rustlers and other situations. ''Rawhide'' was the sixth-longest running Western series in television history after ''Wagon Train'' (8 seasons), ''The Virginian'' (9 seasons), ''Bonanza'' (14 seasons), ''Death Valley Days'' (18 seasons) and ''Gunsmoke'' (20 seasons).
|-
|''The Rifleman''
|1958-1963
|ABC
|NR/G
|Western with emphasis on fair play and giving people a second chance; starring Chuck Connors, Johnny Crawford and Paul Fix. [http://www.amctv.com/videos#type=all&filter=rb-video-browser-num_items%3D10%26module_id_base%3Drb-video-browser%26rb-video-browser-show%3D4182%26rb-video-browser-content_type%3D&page=1&post_id=71306 The Rifleman]
|-
|''Sabrina the Teenage Witch''
|1996-2003
|[[ABC]], The WB
|TV-G
|Live-action sitcom adaptation of the Archie Comic. Although Sabrina is a witch, the show does not actually glorify witchcraft, instead it promotes family, and Christian values. Morals include the importance of honesty and individualism, and the show also teaches that a reward is only good and enjoyable if it is earned. The show even stars conservative actress Melissa Joan Hart as Sabrina Spellman. Also stars Caroline Rhea and Beth Broderick as Sabrina's aunts, Hilda and Zelda Spellman, and Nick Bakay as the voice of witch-turned-talking cat Salem Saberhagen.
|-
|''The Six Million Dollar Man''
|1974-1978
|ABC
|TV-PG
|This shows capitalism at its finest—technological advances improving life. Lee Majors plays Steven Austin, an astronaut who survives a near-fatal accident and is reconstructed as the world's first bionic man, using his mechanical arm, legs, and eye to fight evil.
|-
|''State Trooper''
|1956-1959
|Syndicated
|NR
|Rod Cameron adventure/drama anthology series, forgotten to most today, based on case files of the [[Nevada]] state troopers; law and justice always prevail. Many episodes have surprise endings and unusual titles.
|-
|''Storage Wars''
|
|A & E
|
|Emphasizes [[capitalism|capitalist]] and [[free market]] values. Plus on another level, it illustrates the importance of [[conservative values|personal responsibility]]; the lockers that are being auctioned off belonged to people who decided not to pay their bills.
|-
|''Storm Chasers''
|
|The Weather Channel
|
|Demonstrates core conservative values such as courage and a thirst for practical, scientific knowledge.
|-
|''Sugarfoot''
|1957-1961
|ABC
|NR/PG
|Will Hutchins plays young "do-gooder" Tom "Sugarfoot" Brewster, a novice lawyer who roams the Old West "on the side of law and order," according to the theme song of the [[Warner Bros.]] series; Sugarfoot eschews guns until pushed to the brink and even refuses alcohol and instead orders "sarsparialla with a dash of cherry" when he enters a saloon.
|-
|''S.W.A.T''
|1975-1976
|ABC
|
|Respectful to our men in uniform, promoting good American values. A reboot of the series is planned for 2017.
|-
|'''Til Death''
|2006-2010
|FOX
|TV-PG
|Sitcom where are married couple still stay with each other even after all work that go along with being married.
|-
|''[[Top Gear]]''
|2002-
|[[BBC]]
|TV-PG
|A British TV show about all types of cars. It is a fun show which celebrates individual freedom, capitalism, and private-sector innovation. It is also often politically incorrect and pokes fun at the belief in "global warming".
|-
|''Touched by an Angel''
|1994-2003
|CBS
|TV-PG
|A popular drama about an angel in human form who visited troubled people in crisis. It was highly ranked for four seasons and ran for nine seasons. Starred Roma Downey, Della Reese and John Dye, joined in the final two seasons by Valerie Bertinelli.
|-
|''Wagon Train''
|1957-1965
|NBC/ABC
|
|Western with conservatives Ward Bond and John McIntire playing trailmasters Seth Adams and Chris Hale, respectively; the struggle of pioneers seeking a fresh start in the American West. Robert Horton and Robert Fuller also starred in the series.
|-
|''Walker, Texas Ranger''
|1993-2001
|CBS
|TV-PG / TV-14
|Starring [[Chuck Norris]] and Noble Willingham as modern day Texas Rangers.
|-
|''[[The Waltons]]''
|1972-1981
|CBS
|TV-G
|A family with strong Christian values overcomes hardship in rural America during the Depression and U.S. involvement in World War II and extends charity to strangers while also honoring military service; starring Richard Thomas, Ralph Waite, Michael Learned, Will Geer, and Ellen Corby.
|-
|''Wanted: Dead or Alive''
|1958-1961
|CBS
|
|Steve McQueen as a kind-hearted bounty hunter, Josh Randall, dedicated to the enforcement of the law in the old West. Numerous episodes have spiritual themes; a spinoff of ''Dick Powell's Zane Grey Theatre''. Remade as a feature film in 1987, set in the present day and starring Rutger Hauer as Nick Randall, an-ex-CIA agent turned bounty hunter and the descendant of Josh Randall.
|-
|''Who Do You Think You Are?''
|
|NBC
|
|NBC in USA (in other countries also) with famous people showing how to research relationships and histories of our ancestors. We owe them so much, whether horse thieves or royalty, they gave us our lives, and in some cases fought in the [[American Revolution]].
|-
|''Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?''
|1999-2002; 2002-present
|ABC; first-run syndication
|TV-G
|[[Game show]] whose format for qualifying to be on the hot seat entirely depends on knowledge, not having the stereotypical game show contestant persona. The show unashamedly rewards people who know the most. Hosted by Regis Philbin. The hour-long original ABC version in the US ran from 1999 to 2002, followed by a half-hour version which debuted in first-run syndication in 2002 and is still airing.
|-
|''Yes, Minister!''/''Yes, Prime Minister!''
|
|BBC
|
|Classic British sit-com about the political machinations of being a cabinet member in the British government, and then eventually as Prime Minister. A recurring theme is that of the struggle of politicians to make the desired changes despite the resistance of the bureaucracy.
|-
|}

==Conservative Cartoons==
{| class="wikitable sortable"
|-
!Title
!Original run
!Network
!TV rating
!Description
|-
|''American Dragon: Jake Long''
|2005-2007
|Disney Channel
|TV rating
|Jake Long is chosen to be the first American Dragon, throughout the show, he learns how to use his powers from his grandfather. He also learns to responsibility of having supernatural powers, and how it deals with his personal life. The biggest villain of the show (though he is not the main villain) is the Dark Dragon, an evil dragon, who is trying unite magical creatures into wiping out the human race.
|-
|''Animated Stories from the New Testament''
|1987-1995
|N/A
|N/A
|The show's title is self-explanatory.
|-
|''The Batman''
|2004-2008
|Kids' WB
|TY-Y7
|The young Caped Crusader begins his fight for justice.
|-
|''Batman: The Animated Series''
|1992-1995
|Fox Kids
|TV-Y7
|Comic book hero [[Batman]] fights for justice and teaches kids good values. In one episode in particular, in "It's Never Too Late" Batman helps drug dealer Arnold Stromwell realize the error of his ways. His brother who's a priest also helps him see this as well.
|-
|''Danny Phantom''
|2004-2007
|Nickelodeon
|TY-Y7
|Through an inter-dimensional accident, teenager Danny Fenton gains ghostlike powers and uses them to fight evil ghosts as the superhero Danny Phantom. The series also shows the consequences of using one's powers for personal gain.
|-
|''El Tigre: The Adventures of Manny Rivera''
|2007-2008
|Nickelodeon
|TV-Y7
|Unlike most superhero cartoons, Manny Rivera usually debates using his powers for good or evil. But in the end he ends up doing them for good. Throughout the cartoon he also learns how to a responsible adult. The show is also pro-family as Manny's father is seen as a positive role model. One of the villains is also named Che (a nod to the terrorist murder [[Che Guevara]]). The episode "Clash of the Titan" also shows Manny's father ending his partnership with Titanium Titan because he states his family was more important than his partnership. And although Grandpapi (Manny Rivera's grandpa) is a "villain", he's more of a comic relief character rather than an actual bad guy; on top of that, he is still regarded as part of the family.
|-
|''Extreme Ghostbusters''
|1997
|Toon Disney
|TV-Y7
|Continuation of the ''Ghostbusters''.
|-
|''Fairly OddParents''
|1998-
|Nickelodeon
|TV-Y7
|The main protagonist, Timmy Turner, commonly wishes for things that aren't the best, but he almost always learns his lesson in the end. Exposes the dangers of wishing things for your personal gain at the expense of others.
|-
|''G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero''
|1983-1989
|First-run syndication
|
|Do we really need to explain?
|-
|''Jimmy Neutron''
| 1995 (semi-lost pilot), 1998-2006
|Nickelodeon
|TV-Y7
|Jimmy Neutron usually does what he believes is right. Similarly to Timmy Turner, he learns the consequences from his not-so-good actions. The show overall does a decent job at promoting family and friendship values.
|-
|''Kikoriki'' (known in Russia as ''Smeshariki'')
|2004-2012
|CTC and Russia 1 (Russia)
|TV-Y
|Despite being a Russian cartoon, this is an example of a children's cartoon done much better than many in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom and Japan. Children can learn some valuable lessons and even some educational ones from watching this, and also contains content that adults will enjoy as well!
|-
|''Legion of Super-Heroes''
|2006-2008
|Kids WB
|TV-Y7
|Based on the overlooked DC comics team of the same name. A [[charity|private non-profit organization]] led by Superman helps those in need. One episode in particular "Lightning Storm" has a group of super "heroes" who taxes people for their service (big government) as opposed to helping people for the greater good.
|-
|''Liberty's Kids''
|2002-2003
|PBS
|TV-Y7
|Does the title not say it all? Three young reporters witness the era of the [[American Revolution]] and its aftermath through their innocent eyes and learn what America represents.
|-
|''The Little Mermaid (TV Series)''
|1992-1994
|CBS
|TV-Y
|Prequel TV series based on conservative animated Disney movie, very pro-family as well.
|-
|''Ozzy & Drix''
|2002-2004
|Kids WB
|TV-Y7
|Cartoon that portrays white blood cells as police officers who fight germs (anthropomorphized into hoodlums). Not only does it give a positive portrayal of law enforcement, but it's also educational as it teaches kids about human anatomy better than the [[United States Department of Education|Department of Education]] ever could.
|-
|''[[Popeye|Popeye the Sailor]]''
|1933-1957 (theatrical); 1960–1962 (TV)
|First-run syndication
|TV-G
|Popeye is a U.S. Navy sailor who is known for protecting his girlfriend, Olive Oyl, from the infamous philanderer, Bluto (later Brutus in the TV cartoons). He also stands up for the little guy and defends them against [[bully|bullies]] [[bullying|who seek to impose their will solely through intimidation and brute force]]. Also promotes healthy eating through Popeye's consumption of spinach to gain superhuman strength and defeat villains.
|-
|''Private Snafu''
|1943–46
|Warner Bros. (produced for the [[United States War Department]])
|N/A
|Instructional cartoon shorts, ironic and humorous in tone, that were produced between 1943 and 1945 during World War II. The films were designed to instruct service personnel about security, proper sanitation habits, booby traps and other military subjects, and to improve troop morale.
|-
|''Rambo: The Force of Freedom''
|1986
|N/A
|TV-Y7
|Cartoon from the conservative film series.
|-
|''The Real Ghostbusters''
|1986-1992
|ABC
|TV-Y7
|Cartoon version of the conservative film ''Ghostbusters''.
|-
|''Spider-Man: The Animated Series''
|1994-1998
|Fox Kids
|TV-Y7
|[[Spiderman]] uses his superpowers to help those need (voluntary [[charity]]).
|-
|''Teen Titans''
|2003-2006
|Cartoon Network
|TV-Y7
|A [[charity|private non-profit organization]] led by Robin and super powered teens use their powers for good.
|-
|''T.U.F.F. Puppy''
|2010-2015
|Nickelodeon
|TV-Y7
|This cartoon takes place in a world of anthropomorphic animals mirroring the Cold War era in the late 1950s. A dog and a cat work as secret agents working for an organization based on the CIA called T.U.F.F. The antagonist animals work for an organization called D.O.O.M., which is based on the KGB.
|-
|''[[Veggie Tales]]''
|1993–Present
|Direct to video, NBC, Netflix
|TV-Y
|The adventures of anthropomorphic vegetables, where the stories are all based upon moral themes based on Christianity (excluding the NBC episodes, which were edited by the network to remove the religious messages).<ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/09/22/talking-veggies-stir-controversy-at-nbc.html Talking Veggies Stir Controversy at NBC] at Fox News</ref>
|-
|''The Wacky Adventures of Ronald McDonald''
|1998-2003
|N/A
|NR
|The adventures of characters based off Capitalist fast-food company [[McDonalds]].
|-
|''X-Men: Evolution''
|2000-2003
|Kids WB
|TY-Y7
|Unlike the liberal movies, the cartoon follows what the comics were originally about (civil rights), as Charles Xavier leads his private school for mutants to help is students learn to use their superpowers for good. The show also states that government should say away from the social issue involving discrimination rather letting society accept them for what they are.
|-
|}

==Debatable whether conservative==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Title
!Original run
!Network
!TV rating
!Description
|-
|''Antiques Roadshow''
|
|[[PBS]]
|
|Shows the real value (financial and historical) of handcrafts and traditional, old-fashioned things and memorabilia. One of the rare conservative shows to air on the ultra-liberal PBS.
|-
|''Ash vs Evil Dead''
|2015-
|Starz
|TV-MA
|Despite its unrealistic views on demons, it at least portrays them as evil. And while the title hero does smoke weed (only once), it does show the disastrous results and consequences of his actions. It also portrays gun ownership in a positive light. Show's creator Sam Raimi is also a Republican<ref>http://whatculture.com/offbeat/10-celebs-you-wouldnt-expect-to-be-republicans?page=4 ”</ref>

|-
|''Ben 10''
|2005-2008
|Cartoon Network
|TV-Y7
|Ben Tennyson finds a super powered watch called the Omnitrix which allows him to turn into different alien superheroes for a brief amount of time. Using this gift, he uses it to help those in need. But the later episodes later had his cousin Gwen using [[witchcraft]], however the show portrays them in a neutral manner as two villains named Hex and Charmcaster also use witchcraft for evil.
|-
|''The Beverly Hillbillies''
|1962-1971
|CBS
|
|Although silly, the show is powerful in illustrating how material possessions are not what define a person. Buddy Ebsen stars as Jed Clampett, patriarch of the Clampett family, who became a multi-millionaire virtually overnight after striking oil on his land in the Ozark Mountains and moved with his family to Beverly Hills, California, yet the Clampetts never let their newly obtained wealth affect who they are as people, maintaining moral and simplistic lifestyles throughout the show's run. Also stars Irene Ryan as Jed's mother-in-law Daisy May "Granny" Moses, Donna Douglas as his beautiful, tomboyish and animal-loving daughter Elly May Clampett, Max Baer as dimwitted yet good-natured Clampett cousin Jethro Bodine, Raymond Bailey as unscrupulous banker Milburn Drysdale and Nancy Kulp as Drysdale's secretary Jane Hathaway. Popular throughout its run, ''The Beverly Hillbillies'' fell victim in 1971 to CBS' Rural Purge, but has remained popular in syndicated reruns ever since and led to the 1981 reunion TV movie ''Return of the Beverly Hillbillies'', a 1993 TV special titled ''The Legend of the Beverly Hillbillies'' and a feature film remake of the series that same year, starring Jim Varney as Jed, Erika Eleniak as Elly May, Cloris Leachman as Granny, Diedrich Bader as Jethro, Dabney Coleman as Mr. Drysdale and Lily Tomlin as Miss Hathaway, with a cameo by Buddy Ebsen (in his final acting role) as his other famous TV character, [[Barnaby Jones]].
|-
|''Breaking Bad''
|2008–2013
|American Movie Classics
|TV-MA
|A previously law-abiding chemistry teacher gets involved in the drug trade and destroys himself and his family. Each immoral decision leads him further along the path of destruction. The evildoers all suffer for their actions.
|-
|''Cops''
|1989-
|Fox; Spike
|TV-PG
|The good guys protecting the public from criminals, yet arguably promotes police state and big government. Filmed on location in many exotic and mundane locales with actual law enforcement agencies, both here in the U.S. and abroad.
|-
|''Happy Tree Friends''
|1999-
|Mondo Media.com
|TV-MA
|A very bloody and gory animated flash cartoon featuring anthropomorphic animals. Despite its content, it shows the consequences and dangers of doing many of the things that lead to the deaths of the animals within the show in most of its episodes.
|-
|''Justice League''
|2001-2006
|Cartoon Network
|TV-Y7
|A [[charity|private non-profit organization]] lead by American icons [[Superman]], [[Batman]], [[Wonder Woman]] and other DC characters fight to help the helpless and fight for justice. However, the later episodes did start being left leaning (probably being bullied by left-wing producers) as there is an episode that the villain Chronos plans to go back in time to undo the [[Big Bang theory]] and become a God. Another episode, "To Another Shore", claims that "[[global warming]]" may be real.
|-
|''Kim Possible''
|2002-2007
|Disney Channel
|
|Although it was feminist due to the titular character Kim Possible tending to save the world and her sidekick Ron Stoppable generally being comic relief, it also was pro-family values, as it was notably one of the few Disney Channel shows where the fathers of the main characters (Kim and Ron) were not depicted as bumbling, buffoonish, childish, or as a jerk, and in many cases the fathers actually helped significantly to save the day. For instance, Kim Possible's dad James Possible is a friendly yet brilliant rocket scientist, and believes in family bonds, and often pushes his children, to follow also honor family. In addition, there were several episodes where Ron played a significant role in saving the world. It is also notable as being one of the few Disney Channel shows to actually break the 65-episode cutoff rule on the network.
|-
|''[[King of the Hill]]''
|1997-2010
|Fox
|TV-PG
|Despite cartoonish nature, shows the struggle of a hardworking, traditional American family against "alternative" modern cultural movements and liberal [[political correctness]].
|-
|''The Larry Sanders Show''
|1992–1998
|HBO
|TV-MA
|A dark comedy based around the background of a [[Hollywood]] talk show, showing a great deal of liberal and celebrity hypocrisy and mocking them for their behavior.
|-
|''Law & Order''
|1990-2010
|NBC
|TV-14
|Police and court drama similar to ''[[Perry Mason]]'' in which the first halves of each episodes were the crimes, investigations and arrests of suspects and the second halves were the trials and aftermaths thereof.
|-
|''MacGyver''
|1985-1992
|ABC
|TV PG
|The title character (played by Richard Dean Anderson) uses Yankee ingenuity to solve various problems and escape the clutches of his enemies; the series eschews violence until absolutely necessary. Although this element overall was conservative, the creator Vin Di Bona implied a few times that it was meant to promote the anti-gun agenda, which the anti-Communist site "Discover the Networks" uncovered with it being said "MacGyver producer Vin Di Bona noted that anti-gun messages were a recurring theme in that program. When asked what he thought of conservative critics who claimed that Hollywood was overwhelmingly liberal, Di Bona responded: 'I think it’s probably accurate, and I’m happy about it.'"<ref>http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1477</ref> A reboot of this series, with Lucas Till in the title role, debuted in 2016.
|-
|''Malcolm in the Middle''
|2000-2006
|FOX
|TV-PG
|Is both pro-family, but at the same time shows a dysfunctional family (containing a dimwitted father, a harridan mother, a slacker oldest son, a bullying and dimwitted second-oldest son and a weird younger son, with the genius title character, the middle of five sons, as the only sane person among the bunch) as funny.
|-
|''Married...with Children''
|1987-1997
|Fox
|TV-PG
|The show mocks [[liberal values]], however it also portrays a dysfunctional family as funny. Also the [[Parents Television Council]] called it the crudest comedy on prime time television due to being peppered with lewd punch lines about sex, sexual stimulation, the homosexual lifestyle, and father Al Buddy's fondness for pornographic magazines and strip clubs.
|-
|''The Office''
|2005-2013
|NBC
|TV-PG
|Mockery of liberal ideology and [[political correctness]] in an office setting, without a liberal [[laugh track]]. The main character repeatedly encounters contradictions and absurdities as he tries to conform to liberal expectations. The show was most popular when its humor was conservative, and has declined in quality and popularity as its conservative humor has been diluted. Its later seasons were notably more liberal and offensive towards religion. Steve Carell played the main character for six years and was denied an Emmy Award by liberals every time despite being by far the funniest actor on television.
|-
|''[[The O'Reilly Factor]]''
|
|Fox News
|
|[[Bill O'Reilly]] is like "Archie Bunker": cranky, critical, and wants government to push people around and lock 'em up. O'Reilly rarely espouses true [[conservative]] values, and was extremely vicious towards [[pro-life]] Cardinal Bernard Law. O'Reilly alienates millions of young people.
|-
|''Pokemon''
|1997-
|TVTokyo (1997-present; Japan only); UPN-69 (1998-1999); Kids WB (1999-2007); Cartoon Network (2007-2016); Disney XD (2016-present)
|
|The first few seasons showcased several conservative messages, including the strive to succeed even when the odds are considered insurmountable, as well as showing parental neglect and abandonment in a negative light in regards to the characters Brock and Misty, and to a certain extent one of the main villains Jessie. In addition, in the first season at least, there were also a few Christian references from Brock and Misty, and to some extent James. Also showcases pro-family values due to Misty becoming a mother to Togepi, and Brock also intending to aid his family when his parents weren't around due to the latter abandoning their children (or, in the case of the dub, the father abandoning them and the mother dying), only joining Ash after his father, Flint, returned and encouraged Brock to pursue his dreams. Was also anti-[[Hollywood Values]] as well, as the episode "Go West Young Meowth" showcases the more depraved nature of Hollywood, including at least one bickering couple, and does not treat it in a positive light, nor does Meowth's sweetheart, Meowzie, an epitome of Hollywood values, come across in a flattering light, with it also being heavily implied that this was the reason Meowth turned to villainy. One episode of DP also has an implicit condemnation of the homosexual agenda due to Brock calling Pikachu and Piplup (both of whom are confirmed male in an earlier episode) having an attraction to each other "unnatural." However, during later seasons, the conservative elements are pushed to the side and seem to promote more liberal agendas, including having the various female characters starting with May (most of whom are ten years old and thus still children) essentially act as sexual fanservice according to then-director Masamitsu Hidaka, as well as later on the story's refusal to allow Ash to win a league despite it being necessary to have him become a Pokémon Master (with the most infamous example of this being the Ash vs. Alain fight in the final round of the Kalos League, which had Ash losing against Alain despite the series, including the actual Japanese episode title for the battle in question, all but strongly implying the exact opposite), and eventually by Sun and Moon outright ignoring said goal altogether, thus resulting in a more nihilistic view of Ash's goal. In addition, a running gag since Hoenn and to some extent Johto has Brock constantly chasing women and trying to ask them out, depicting him as a womanizer in a more comedic light. In addition, the concept of friendships that was strongly emphasized in prior seasons eventually got phased out due to them essentially dropping characters after each season with barely a reference to them.
|-
|''Police Woman''
|1974-1978
|NBC
|
|While some may say it was made to popularize the feminist movement, it still does treat law enforcement with respect. Also, the episode "Flowers of Evil" did seem to anger liberals as it had a trio of lesbians who run a retirement home who rob and murder the elderly residents (an action that could never be shown on TV in the current age of political correctness).
|-
|''Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!''
|1969-1970, 1978
|CBS; ABC
|TV-G
|Although it does teach kids conjugated thinking skills, most of the villains are businessmen which some could argue is an anti-capitalism statement. In addition, the theme song was meant to subtly promote a pro-drug message.
|-
|''[[The Simpsons]]''
|1987-1988 (The Tracey Ullman Show); 1989-present
|FOX
|TV-14
|Many businessmen are made out to be dumb, Republicans have at times been depicted as evil, and family values aren't necessarily put in the best light. However, it still mocks liberal values as well as political correctness (including even showing the Democrats, via Springfield mayor and [[JFK]] wannabe Joe Quimby, as the corrupt and incompetent politicians they really are, although that being said, the character Lisa Simpson has occasionally been used as a soundboard for the more liberal views of the show.), and although Bart Simpson causes a lot of trouble, he is painted out to be a "punk" rather than a "cool dude". This show is also known for being not as bad as the wretched ''Family Guy''. The show was originally a series of short skits on ''The Tracey Ullman Show''.
|-
|''[[Smallville]]''
|2001-2011
|The WB; The CW
|TV-PG / TV-14
|Some conservative themes are present in the show and some liberal themes are present. Biblical undertones are present such as main character appearing as a Christ-like figure.
|-
|''SpongeBob Squarepants''
|1996-present
|Nickelodeon
|
|Like with Smallville above, some conservative themes are present in the show, and some liberal themes are present.
|-
|''The Twilight Zone''
|1959-1964 (original run)
|CBS
|
|A recurring theme is that the selfish and the self-centered eventually lose what they sought to gain; hosted by Rod Serling. Examples of [[conservative]] episodes include:
*"The Prime Mover" (episode 57, March 24, 1961)<ref>http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/exploring-the-twilight-zone-57-the-prime-mover.php</ref>
*"The Mirror" (episode 71, October 20, 1961), a scathing criticism of Communism and the [[Fidel Castro]] regime in Cuba; starred a pre-''Columbo'' Peter Falk as Ramos Clemente, a Latin American Communist revolutionary-turned-dictator based on Castro.
|-
|}

==References==
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==See also ==
*[[Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies]]
*[[Essay:Greatest Conservative Songs]]
*[[Essay:Worst Liberal TV Shows]]

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Gun control

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'''Gun control''' is [[leftist]] [[doublespeak]] and a term used when advocating [[unconstitutional]] laws designed to disarm the American people by restricting the lawful purchase, ownership, or carrying of [[gun]]s, under the guise of "public safety." Studies show that increasing lawful access to guns results in less crime,<ref>''Shall issue: the new wave of concealed handgun permit laws'', Cramer C and Kopel D. Golden CO: Independence Institute Issue Paper. October 17, 1994</ref> but, despite the fact that gun ownership is a civil right, leftists and [[liberals]] alike push gun control because it increases the dependency of voters on government for protection while disarming citizens capable of fighting back against [[tyranny]]. The political effect of gun control is to shift voters leftward, and hence the primary supporters of gun control are the [[liberal media]] and [[leftist]] politicians.<ref>[http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/quotes/repeal.html Quotes of Leftists Demanding Gun Control]</ref> In the [[United Kingdom]], which already has the strictest gun control in Europe, [[leftists]] demand control over 120,000 ''deactivated'' guns, although their activation and use constitute only 0.04% of all gun offenses there. But leftists want gun control because fewer guns means greater dependency on government.<ref>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3168607.ece</ref>

Gun control is a denial or limitation by [[government]]s of the right to armed [[self-defense]],<ref name="Washington University Law Quarterly">"In contrast to most other weaponry, firearms are preeminently defensive in effect." [http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/76holo.htm Washington University Law Quarterly]</ref> as promised by the [[Second Amendment]] of the Constitution of the [[United States of America]]. Genocide has occurred only after gun control first disarmed the citizenry.<ref name="Washington University Law Quarterly"/>

Proponents use the discredited – but superficially appealing – claim that fewer lawfully-owned guns lead to less crime, although guns are primarily defensive weapons<ref>People who support gun control claim that gun control laws significantly reduce violent crime. [http://home.sprynet.com/~owl1/irrationality.htm Why People Are Irrational about Politics]</ref><ref>Gun control primarily restricts the lawful acquisition and use of guns. Over 99% of the guns restricted by most gun control regulation are used in a lawful manner.</ref> (see [[Concealed carry]]).

Gun control laws cause enormous hardships. In May 2012, a gun control law resulted in a 20-year prison sentence against an [[African American]] woman for merely firing warning shots against her husband, and there was widespread outrage in [[Florida]] against this unconscionable sentence.<ref>http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/11/justice/florida-stand-ground-sentencing/index.html?hpt=hp_t3</ref>

In the United States the three primary [[federal]] gun control laws are:
* [[National Firearms Act]] (1934)
* [[Gun Control Act]] (1968)
* [[Brady Bill]] (1993)

These laws have further been amended by other laws such as the Firearms Owners Protection Act (1986) and the Omnibus Crime Bill (1994).

Fed up with federal gun control, in 2009 States began considering (Utah) or passing (Montana) laws "making guns that are made and kept within state boundaries exempt from federal regulations" including "background checks, licensing and registration."<ref>http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6367553</ref>

== The Fallacy and Motivation for Gun Control ==
[[Image:No Weapons Allowed.gif|right]]
Gun control potentially causes an increase in crime by restricting its main deterrent: [[self-defense]]. A study by Professor Gary Kleck, initially a liberal critic of gun control, caused him to change his mind on this issue when the evidence showed that crime was predominantly ''prevented'' when people could carry guns. ''See Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America''.<ref>http://www.largo.org/effects.html</ref> In the United States, law-abiding uses of guns outnumber criminal uses by about a factor of 1000 to 1,<ref>http://www.americanselfdefense.com/gunfacts3.0.pdf (p. 60)</ref> and the removal of guns from everyone eliminates the lawful use of self-defense and its deterrent effect. "[[Americans]] use firearms to defend themselves from criminals at least 764,000 times a year."<ref name="Gallup_LAT">"This figure is the lowest among a group of 9 nationwide surveys done by organizations including Gallup and the Los Angeles Times." (Just Facts - [http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp Gun Control])</ref> Specific examples of guns being used successfully in [[self-defense]] are easy to find.<ref>Two 70-ish store owners stopped armed robberies of their stores by shooting at the bandits. "The person came in and pointed the gun at him and my father shot him. I'm proud of him." [http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/buffaloerie/story/253849.html Buffalo News]</ref><ref>[http://sittingduckpolicy.com/ Sitting Duck Policy: True Stories of Self-Defense]</ref> "In 1982, a survey of imprisoned criminals found that 34% of them had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim."<ref name="Gallup_LAT"/> When Florida began allowing its citizens to carry a concealed weapon, [[Florida]]'s firearm homicide rate fell by 37% while the national average ''increased'' by 15%.<ref name="Gallup_LAT"/> As explained below, the political effect of gun control is to cause voters to become more dependent emotionally on government and more supportive of bigger government.

Studies by [[John Lott]] and others indicate that gun control causes higher crime rates.<ref>[http://www.johnrlott.com/ John Lott's Website]</ref> [[Washington, D.C.]] has one of the highest crime rates in [[America]] even though it completely bans private handguns.<ref>[http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/dccrime.htm District of Columbia Crime Rates 1960 - 2006]</ref> "Switzerland, Israel, Denmark and Finland, all of whom have a higher gun ownership rate than America, all have lower crime rates than America, in fact, their crime rates are among the lowest in the Western World."<ref>Slashdoc - [http://www.slashdoc.com/documents/71244 gun control]</ref> Lott demonstrates that in [[Britain]], [[Australia]] and [[Canada]], increased gun control in the late 1990s led to increased crime, the exact opposite of what the proponents of the gun control promised.<ref>John R. Lott Jr. and Eli Lehrer - [http://johnrlott.tripod.com/op-eds/IBDGunConFailure.html Add Gun Control To Litany Of Misbegotten Gov't Plans]</ref> States in the [[U.S.]] that have enacted concealed-carry laws enjoy lower crime rates.<ref>[http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=4706 Cato report]</ref>

[[image:Robbery victims per 100K.png|300px|thumb|Source data: Australian Bureau of Statistics]]
[[image:Robbery victims.png|300px|thumb|Source data: Australian Bureau of Statistics]]

In [[Australia]], where gun ownership was less widespread and the gun control measures were less strict, there was an immediate increase in robbery and armed robbery after the gun control went into effect in 1996 (see chart at right).<ref>

Gun control passed in Australia because "public was immediately whipped into a gun control frenzy by the press" after the "Port Arthur massacre" in Tasmania on April 28, 1996, in which 32 were shot dead and 19 injured. "Although polls done prior to the massacre indicated that the public was satisfied with the amount of 'gun control' they already had, a major newspaper did a poll just a few days after the massacre (while all minds were "clear") and, not surprisingly, found high levels of support for extreme gun control measures. This poll would be used forever by the commonwealth government and other gun controllers to claim that Australians supported the new gun laws to come." - [http://www.gunsandcrime.org/aussiegc.html Gun Control in Australia] (by gunsandcrime.org)</ref>

There is no clear evidence supporting a decrease in crime from gun control.<ref name="Results">[http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html Results of the Australian Gun "Buyback" & New Gun Laws], October 2001</ref><ref>[http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/azl084v1 Study showing lack of promised benefits from gun control]</ref> Although from 1979 to 1996, 11,110 Australians died by gunshot representing an annual average of 617. In the seven years after new gun laws were announced (1997 to 2003), the yearly average almost halved, to 331. In the decade up to and including Port Arthur There have been 11 mass shootings where 100 people were shot dead and another 52 wounded, while in In the 10 years since 1996 and the new gun laws, not one mass shooting (more than five victims) has occurred in Australia (although in 2002 a gunman killed two and wounded four at Monash University) <ref name="theage.com.au">http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/a-safer-place-after-howards-gun-buyback/2006/04/27/1145861484114.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1</ref>

Subsequent to gun control in England:<ref>http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html</ref>
[[File:Send_a_gun_to_a_British_home.jpg|thumb|right|[[Second Amendment]]-supporting [[American]] [[citizen]]s gifted their [[firearm]]s to [[gun free zone]]-gun control supporting [[British]] citizens during [[World War II]] via [[The American Committee for the Defense of British Homes]]]]

:"from 1997 to 2001, the rate of violent crime more than doubled. Your chances of being mugged in London are now [as of 2002] six times greater than in New York. England's rates of assault, robbery, and burglary are far higher than America's, and 53 percent of English burglaries occur while occupants are at home, compared with 13 percent in the U.S., where burglars admit to fearing armed homeowners more than the police. In a United Nations study of crime in 18 developed nations published in July, England and Wales led the Western world's crime league, with nearly 55 crimes per 100 people."<ref>However this increase in recorded violent crime between 1997 and 2001 is explained by the Home Office as a result of changes in the definition of violent crime and new counting rules introduced in 1998. [http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr1804.pdf Violent Crime in England and Wales] According to the British Crime Survey, which is considered a more reliable guide to trends in crime [http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs06/crime-statistics-independent-review-06.pdf], violent crime fell 24% between 1997 and 2001/02, and burglary fell 40% over the same period.[http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/hosb1105tab201.xls Trends in BCS incidents of crime]</ref>

Gun control in [[Britain]] and [[Australia]] has been followed by a predictable shift to the left politically by voters as they lost their instrument of self-defense and became more emotionally dependent on government. Contrast that with the [[United States]], where an effort to push gun control after the [[Columbine massacre]] failed in 2000 and the government has remained as [[conservative]]—if not more so—ever since.

The emasculation of the citizenry by gun control also arguably reduces the resistance of a society to intimidation, and exacerbates fear of consequences from causing offense. Subsequent to the passage of strict gun control in [[England]] some teachers have avoided teaching controversial subjects such as the [[Holocaust]], the Arab-Israeli conflict and the [[Crusades]] during history classes.<ref>http://www.dfes.gov.uk/research/data/uploadfiles/RW100.pdf</ref>
Teaching Emotive and Controversial History 3-19] (p. 15) The anti-self-defense attitude of British authorities has also turned criminals into "victims" and victims who fight back into "criminals." One particularly egregious case involved a farmer being sentenced to life imprisonment for defending himself in his home after the home was repeatedly burglarized <ref>http://www.theinternetparty.org/commentary/c_s.php?td=200107200000&section_type=com</ref>

== Trends ==
After decades of increasing gun control laws, the current trend in the [[United States]] is in the direction of more gun rights. The 1994 Omnibus Crime Bill included a ban on certain new rifles labeled assault rifles solely because of features of their appearance, and on new high-capacity magazines. This law recently expired and was not renewed by [[Congress]]. Also, Washington D.C.'s gun ban was struck down as unconstitutional by the U.S. Court of Appeals on March 9, 2007.<ref>The New York Times - [http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/09/washington/09cnd-gun.html?hp Appeals Court Says Gun Ban Violates 2nd Amendment]</ref><ref>The Washington Post - [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/09/AR2007030902416.html D.C.'s Ban On Handguns In Homes Is Thrown Out]</ref>

By removing the deterrent effect of guns, gun control causes dramatic increases in crimes committed with other weapons:<ref name="bbc">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2656875.stm</ref>

:You are now six times more likely to be mugged in [[London]] than [[New York]]. Why? Because as common law appreciated, not only does an armed individual have the ability to protect himself or herself but criminals are less likely to attack them. They help keep the peace. A study found American burglars fear armed home-owners more than the police. As a result burglaries are much rarer and only 13% occur when people are at home, in contrast to 53% in England.

Supporters of gun control argue that homicide with guns is much less in [[England]] than in the [[United States]],<ref>In 2005/06, the total number of victims of homicide by shooting (including crossbows) in England and Wales was 50 and there were 212 victims of homicide by sharp instruments. Home Office Statistical Bulletin - [http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs07/hosb0207.pdf Homicides, Firearm Offences and Intimate Violence 2005/2006][http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hosb0104.pdf] The data for gun deaths in the United States include guns used in self-defense, as in fending off an assault, robbery or rape, and there were a total of 11,350 gun deaths (including deaths of criminals) in 2005. US Department of Justice, FBI - [http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html Crime in the United States by Volume and Rate per 100,000 Inhabitants, 1986 - 2005]</ref> but that was true even before gun control and is likely due to cultural reasons. "A study comparing New York and London over 200 years found the New York homicide rate consistently five times the London rate, although for most of that period residents of both cities had unrestricted access to firearms. When guns were available in England they were seldom used in crime. A government study for 1890-1892 found an average of one handgun homicide a year in a population of 30 million."<ref name="bbc" />

Gun control laws are often seen to conflict with the [[Second Amendment]] to the [[United States Constitution]], which recognizes the right to bear arms. The Second Amendment reads: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a [[Free States Movement|free State]], the [[unalienable rights|right]] of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The "right to keep and bear arms" is a right guaranteed to the American citizen by the Bill of Rights through the virtue of a selective reading of said Bill. The phrase "a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" precedes the statement, and most federal Courts of Appeals have held that this phrase requires that the "right to bear arms" relates to the collective rights of state militias, as opposed to the individual's rights to have any weapon desired. Just recently, the Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit went against nine other circuits in holding that the Second Amendment constitutes an individual right.<ref>The New York Times - [http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/10/washington/10gun.html?_r=1&oref=slogin Court Rejects Strict Gun Law as Unconstitutional]</ref><ref>FOX News - [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258067,00.html Appeals Court Strikes Down Washington, D.C. Handgun Ban]</ref> However, according to the judge writing for the majority in this case, its decision does still allow for "reasonable restrictions" on gun ownership and use, such as carrying of guns by intoxicated individuals, or in churches.

Only six cities in the United States ban handguns: [[Washington, D.C.]], [[Chicago]], and four of its suburbs.<ref>David Kopel, "The Democrats and Gun Control," Wall St.J., Page A19, April 17, 2008 [http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB120839466717921537-lMyQjAxMDI4MDE4NzMxOTc0Wj.html]</ref> Some specific locations have also been labeled "gun free zones," including schools, shopping malls, movie theaters, corporate offices, and more. In most cases, mass-shootings take place in these gun-free zones, since those who obey the rules do not carry, while those already planning to break the law disregard this rule. When attempted in areas where firearms are permitted, [[Mass shootings prevented by armed citizens|mass-shootings have often been quickly stopped by armed citizens]].

==Overview==
"Gun control" can include:

* Restricting which persons can own firearms.
* Restrictions on the number of firearms a person may own, or purchase during a given time period
* Requirements that privately owned firearms be registered with the government.
* Bans on certain types of firearms; for example, "handguns" or assault rifles
* Restrictions on where firearms may be carried, for example into restaurants or post offices
* Requiring a "background check" and/or a "waiting period" to purchase a firearm
* Restricting when and where firearms may be bought and sold, for example banning their sale through the mail
* Requiring licenses or some other form of permission from the government to buy and/or sell a firearm
* Requiring some form of permission from the government to carry a firearm in public, either concealed or openly
* Laws granting special gun rights for some people, for example, retired law enforcement officers, which are denied the rest of the public, which was used in several southern states.
* Outright bans on carrying firearms in public
* Outright bans on private possession of firearms, though this has never occurred in the United States (with the exception of some municipalities, prior to those bans being struck down in court)

===Arguments in favor===
"The only purpose of a gun is to kill people."

Another oft-overlooked argument is that of suicide prevention. Guns are highly effective tools for committing suicide with a reported success rate of over 95%, whereas other common methods such as overdoses and cutting have a less than 10% success rate. People who attempt and fail to commit suicide do not usually try again.

===Arguments against===
{{coulter-armed-self-defense}}

[[Emily Miller]] wrote,
"New York City Mayor [[Michael R. Bloomberg]] has spent tens of millions of his billions trying to get his gun bans instituted in the rest of America, even though these laws have never stopped criminals from getting guns."<ref>[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/aug/26/miller-bloomberg-loses-stop-and-frisk-and-nra-gets/ Bloomberg loses stop and frisk, and NRA gets blamed: The mayor’s default disgust for gun owners tarnishes his life-saving program] - [[Emily Miller]]</ref>

Critics, such as Awr Hawkins of [[Breitbart.com]], have argued that background checks, a form of gun control, have done nothing to prevent gun crimes.<ref name="Hawkins"/>

Hawkins has also pointed out that despite having very strict gun control laws, there have been many [[List of Islamist terrorist attacks|Islamic terrorist attacks]] in [[France]].<ref>Hawkins, Awr (April 21, 2017). [http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/21/france-2015-to-present-strict-gun-control-a-paper-tiger/ France 2015 to Present: Strict Gun Control a Paper Tiger]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved April 22, 2017.</ref>

==Constitutional Debate==
The [[Second Amendment]] reads:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Most constitutional scholars agree that since the amendment refers to "the right of the People" instead of the right of the militia, it protects an individual right to own guns. The reason for this was the fact that the supplying of guns for the military and militas was already provided for in Article I Section 8 as a power of Congress. The extent of that right was something hotly debated for decades, until the Supreme Court ruling of 26 June 2008, Heller v District of Columbia.

The majority opinion, written by Justice [[Antonin Scalia]], held for the first time that the Constitution provides an individual right to bear arms, such as for self-defense, rather than a right that applies only to a state militia.

The decision upheld an appellate court ruling striking down Washington, D.C.'s 1976 handgun ban. The case marked the first time in more than 70 years that the Supreme Court had addressed the Second Amendment ''and the first time it spoke directly about the implication of an individual right''. The court struck down two of the District of Columbia's gun control laws: its handgun ban and its requirement that other firearms kept at home have a trigger lock or be disassembled.

Relying on the broader historical record, Justice Scalia wrote:
{{cquote|'''putting all of these textual elements together, we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.'''}}

Scalia noted that the ruling should not be interpreted to "cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons or the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings." <ref>[http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-2901.pdf Supreme Court Opinion, District of Columbia v Heller]</ref>

==Racism of gun control==
In the [[United States of America]], gun control has a strong racist origin and reasoning. Before the Civil War ended, State "Slave Codes" prohibited slaves from owning guns. After President [[Abraham Lincoln]] issued the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, and after the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution abolishing slavery was adopted and the Civil War ended in 1865, States persisted in prohibiting blacks, now freemen, from owning guns under laws renamed "Black Codes." They did so on the basis that blacks were not citizens, and thus did not have the same rights, including the right to keep and bear arms protected in the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as whites. This view was specifically articulated by the [[U.S. Supreme Court]] in its infamous 1857 decision in ''[[Dred Scott v. Sandford]]'' to uphold slavery.

The United States Congress overrode most portions of the Black Codes by passing the Civil Rights Act of 1866. The legislative histories of both the Civil Rights Act and the Fourteenth Amendment, as well as The Special Report of the Anti-Slavery Conference of 1867, are replete with denunciations of those particular statutes that denied blacks equal access to firearms. [Kates, "Handgun Prohibition and the Original Meaning of the Second Amendment," 82 Mich. L. Rev. 204, 256 (1983)] However, facially neutral disarming through economic means laws remain in effect.

After the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in 1878, most States turned to "facially neutral" business or transaction taxes on handgun purchases. However, the intention of these laws was not neutral. An article in Virginia's official university law review called for a "prohibitive tax...on the privilege" of selling handguns as a way of disarming "the son of Ham," whose "cowardly practice of 'toting' guns has been one of the most fruitful sources of crime.... Let a negro board a railroad train with a quart of mean whiskey and a pistol in his grip and the chances are that there will be a murder, or at least a row, before he alights."<ref>Comment, Carrying Concealed Weapons, 15 Va L. Reg. 391, 391-92 (1909); George Mason University Civil Rights Law Journal (GMU CR LJ), Vol. 2, No. 1, "Gun Control and Racism," Stefan Tahmassebi, 1991, p. 75.</ref> Thus, many Southern States imposed high taxes or banned inexpensive guns so as to price blacks and poor whites out of the gun market.

Today, "gun control" laws continue to be enacted so as to have a racist effect if not intent:

* Police-issued license and permit laws, unless drafted to require issuance to those not prohibited by law from owning guns, are routinely used to prevent lawful gun ownership among "unpopular" populations.
* Public housing residents, approximately 3 million Americans, are singled out for gun bans.
* "Gun sweeps" by police in "high crime neighborhoods" whereby vehicles and "pedestrians who meet a specific profile that might indicate they are carrying a weapon" are searched are becoming popular, and are being studied by the [[U.S. Department of Justice]] as "Operation Ceasefire."
* Some U.S. cities with high minority populations, such as Washington, D.C., are singled out for gun bans.
* "Project Exile" began in the U.S. city of Richmond, Virginia and mandated that people arrested for technical firearms violations (note: not for violent crimes committed with a firearm, but for technical violations of the law) be tried in federal court where they would be subject to lengthy mandatory minimum sentences rather than in state court under the more lenient Virginia laws. As with many other restrictions this was aimed primarily at the city's Black residents. It has since been copied in many other cities.

The [[Ku Klux Klan]] began also as a gun-control organization.<ref>http://www.examiner.com/article/kkk-began-as-gun-control-organization-confirms-racist-roots-of-gun-control</ref>

== Sexism of gun control ==

Firearms, especially lower recoiling ones such as many handguns, allow any person to wield enough power to stop another person from attacking them.<ref name="genderDiscrimination1">http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2008/03/19/firearms-rights-are-a-gender-equality-issue-too/</ref> Many women (quite reasonably) fear the threat of attack by a physically stronger man, and a firearm could prevent many of these attacks, but gun bans leave these women vulnerable. Take the case of the “North Side Rapist” in Chicago, a city where hand guns are banned, as an example: The rapist broke in to the women's homes, and at least one of the women heard him break in and then climb the stairs. Had this woman had a handgun, she almost certainly could have stopped the rapist before it was too late. This would have prevented her from enduring such a horrific crime, as well as preventing the rapist’s future victims from experiencing the same thing. Instead, Chicago law prevented her from being able to defend herself, and gave the advantage to the rapist/home-invader. This is not an isolated incident, and similar events happen every day across the county.

== Elitism of gun control ==

Many of the most ardent American anti-gun politicians, such as Chicago’s Mayor Daley, are protected by taxpayer-sponsored armed body guards, but deny law abiding citizens the right to defend themselves with a gun.<ref name="classDiscrimination1">http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2008/04/16/a-double-standard-anti-gun-politicians-and-their-gun-toting-bodyguards/</ref> These politicians seemingly believe themselves to be part of an elite group who deserve to be protected against violent criminals, while ordinary law-abiding citizens are left with less-effective means to defend themselves, and must instead rely on the police arriving in time.

== Gun control outside the United States ==

Gun control advocates cite foreign countries to argue that gun control can reduce crime, but such comparison can be difficult due to the presence of other factors. For example, they cite [[Singapore]] as having gun control and a lower crime rate than the United States, but Singapore has less than 5 million persons and one of the highest literacy and average wealth in the world. It lacks many of the freedoms found in the United States and strictly imposes harsh physical punishment, such as caning and the [[death penalty]], for crimes that are not punished so harshly in the United States. The real issue of the security in Singapore is its tight criminal control, not the gun control itself.

Gun control supporters also cite [[Gun Control in Japan|Japan's gun control laws]], which severely restrict gun ownership and crime rates are relatively low. But [[Japan]] also lacks many freedoms and diversity which exist in the United States, and [[Japan]] has strong cultural deterrents to crime. Ironically, [[Japan]] is home to [[Tokyo Marui]], the world's largest airsoft gun manufacturer, which designs airsoft guns that are made to the same scale and with the same materials as the real counterpart and which have been mistaken by police for real guns.

In the [[European Union]], gun control is more strict than in the United States, but gun ownership differs widely between member states, from 36 per 100 people in [[Cyprus]] to one per 100 in [[Poland]]." In [[Switzerland]], on the other hand, gun ownership is quite widespread, which no doubt contributes to its reputation as a peaceful and neutral country.<ref>[http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/09/27/switzerland.shooting Gun control in Switzerland]</ref> In November 2007, the [[European Parliament]] passed legislation to tighten and harmonize gun control across the EU, and oblige each member state to set up a computerized database of firearms, as it "hoped to prevent Europe from becoming a gun-friendly culture like the United States". Parliament wanted to limit cross-border trade from states with less control to those with tougher laws, such as from [[Lithuania]], where replica guns can cost as little as [[Euro|€]]100 (US$150), to the [[United Kingdom]], where most replicas are outlawed.

In Australia, gun violence has always been significantly lower than other types of violence.<ref>http://www.gunsandcrime.org/aussiegc.html</ref> Australia has not experienced considerable violence problems with legally purchased guns. It has always had a much lower homicide rate than the more violent culture in the United States.<ref>In Australia the gun related homicide rate is 0.44 per 100,000 of population. In the US it is about 8 times as high at 3.72 per 100,000 of population.</ref> From 1979 to 1996, 11,110 Australians died by gunshot representing an annual average of 617. In the seven years after new gun laws were announced (1997 to 2003), the yearly average almost halved, to 331. In the decade up to and including Port Arthur There have been 11 mass shootings where 100 people were shot dead and another 52 wounded, while in In the 10 years since 1996 and the new gun laws, not one mass shooting (more than five victims) has occurred in Australia (although in 2002 a gunman killed two and wounded four at Monash University).<ref name="theage.com.au"/>

Gun control began in Australia in response to fears that guns would be used by home-grown Communist Revolutionaries.<ref>http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1083528 This study discusses the parallel policies of early-mid 20th century Britain and Australia.</ref> The most restrictive reforms were made in 1996 and 2002, following highly publicized shootings.<ref name="ReferenceA">http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/a-safer-place-after-howards-gun-buyback/2006/04/27/1145861484114.html</ref>

Both sets of reforms (1996 and 2002) were lead by Prime Minister [[John Howard]] of the Coalition(Australia’s conservative government). Howard was well known as an anti-gun advocate.<ref name="ReferenceB">http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/anger-lingers-among-those-who-lost-their-firearms/2006/04/27/1145861489398.html</ref> The move offended gun supporters, many of whom had traditionally supported the Coalition.<ref name="ReferenceB"/> Despite the loss of this voting group, Howard won elections following both reforms (in 1998 and 2004).

There is controversy over the success of Australia’s gun restrictions. Studies suggest overall gun violence has decreased since the 1996 and 2002 bans.<ref name="ReferenceA"/> However, Australia’s bike and drug gangs, the main perpetrators of gun violence, still easily access illegal firearms.<ref>http://www.theage.com.au/news/in-depth/a-disarming-cause/2006/04/27/1145861489519.html</ref> Further, the overall homicide rate remains constant.<ref>http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/a-safer-place-after-howards-gun-buyback/2006/04
/27/1145861484114.html?page=2</ref>

== Gun Control and Genocide ==

Gun control "contributes to the probability of its government engaging" in [[genocide]], including the three worst instances in the 20th century:<ref>"[A] society's weapons policy might be one of the institutional arrangements that contributes to the probability of its government engaging in some of the more extreme varieties of outrage. ... [I]t is [] an arresting reality that not one of the principal genocides of the twentieth century, and there have been dozens, has been inflicted on a population that was armed." [http://ls.wustl.edu/WULQ/75-3/753-4.html Washington University Law Quarterly]</ref>

*From 1911, [[Turkey]] imposed gun control and then, from 1915 to 1918, killed 3.5 million out of 5 million Ottoman Christians, including 1.5 million out of 2 million Armenians, 750,000 out of 1 million Assyrian Christians, and 250,000 million out of 1 million Pontic Greeks.

*In 1917, the [[Soviet Union]] imposed gun control and over the next 24 years about 20 million defenseless dissidents were killed.

*In 1938, [[Nazi Germany]] imposed gun control and then from 1942-1945, Europe under its control led by [[Adolf Hitler]] killed 6 million out of 9 million European Jews, with 3 million going to death camps, and another 3 million in war, as well as 2 million Poles, 3 million Soviet POWs, and 8 million Soviet civilians. The American Gun Control Act of 1968 is modeled off the Nazi Gun Control Act of 1938; the FOID (Firearms Owner’s ID), adopted by my home state of Illinois in 1968, is modeled off Nazi gun licensing.

*In 1935, [[China]] established gun control, and then from 1966-1976, 35 million political dissidents were killed in [[Mao Zedong]]'s Cultural Revolution. In ''Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung'', Mao said, “Every Communist must grasp the truth; "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

*In 1975, [[Cambodia]] established gun control and between 1975 and 1979, three million out of nine million Cambodians were exterminated.

*In 1970, [[Uganda]] imposed gun control. Between 1971 and 1979 300,000 Christians and political oppositionals were killed.<ref>http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/66751/gun-control-amin/dave-kopel#</ref>

"The Nazis made only two important changes to the Weapons Law that was in place when they came to power. First, they forbade Jews from owning guns or any other weapon. Second, they exempted members of the Sturmabteilung (SA) and many Nazi party officials from the law's strictures."<ref name="Washington University Law Quarterly"/> The German Firearms Act of 1937 stated "No civilian is to have a firearm without a permit and permits shall not be issued to persons suspected of acting against the state. ''For Jews, this permission will not be granted.'' Those people who do not require permission to carry weapons include the whole of the SS, and the SA - including the Deaths Head group, and the officers of the Hitler youth." <ref name="Volokh">[http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38d04d5c7c40.htm The Journalist's Guide to Gun Policy Scholars and Second Amendment Scholars], Professor Eugene Volokh, FreeRepublic.com, March 15, 2000</ref>

Adolf Hitler said, "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so." <ref name="Volokh" />

[[Josef Stalin]], former dictator of the [[USSR]] and murderer of over 20 million people, infamously supported gun control in the fear that his evil regime might be torn down and so only soldiers could have firearms.

== Gun Control and young mass murderers ==

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Strict gun control failed and still fails to prevent mass murderers from starting killing sprees while the victims are unable to defend themselves.

Compare the cases of Pekka-Eric Auvinen ([[Finland]]) and Robert Steinhäuser ([[Germany]]) with the case of Matthew Murray. The latter was stopped by an armed citizen before he could harm more victims; Auvinen killed 8 people and Steinhäuser killed 16. Both Finland and Germany have gun control laws.

U.S. Senator from [[West Virginia]] [[Joe Manchin]] supported legislation to establish universal background checks across the nation. He pushed it after the [[Sandy Hook massacre]], even though even he admitted that the legislation would not have stopped the massacre, considering the shooter stole the weapons he used.<ref name="Hawkins">Hawkins, Awr (April 21, 2017). [http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/21/joe-manchin-trump-fortitude-make-senate-pass-gun-control/ Joe Manchin: Trump Has the ‘Fortitude’ to Make Senate Pass Gun Control]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved April 22, 2017.</ref> Background checks have been shown to be ineffective in preventing other shootings as well.<ref name="Hawkins"/>

==External links==

=== Opposed to gun control ===
*[http://www.2asisters.org/ Second Amendment Sisters]
*[http://www.nra.org/ The National Rifle Association]
*[http://www.nrapublications.org/AC/index.asp Armed citizens defending themselves.]
*[http://www.a-human-right.com/ A Human Right] Discussion of the human right to self-defense with a firearm.
*[http://www.learnaboutguns.com/ Learn About Guns] Firearm information and politics.
*[http://www.gunowners.org/ Gun Owners of America] A no-compromise pro-gun lobby in Washington, D.C.
*[http://www.aim.org/wls/category/gun-control/ What Liberals Say - Category: Gun Control]
*[http://www.guncite.com/ GunCite: Gun Control and Second Amendment Issues]
*[http://jpfo.org/ Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership]
*[http://nssf.org/ National Shooting Sports Foundation]
*[http://concealedcampus.org/ Students for Concealed Carry]
*[http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-long-racist-history-of-gun-control-in-america/ The Long, Racist History of Gun Control in America]

=== In favor of gun control ===
*[http://www.guninformation.org/ Gun Control and the Second Amendment]
*[http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-switzerland.htm Myth: Switzerland proves that high gun-ownership doesn't increase murder]
*[http://www.bradycampaign.org/ Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence]
*[http://www.vpc.org/ Violence Policy Center]
*[http://www.lwv.org/ League of Women Voters]

==References==
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Great Achievements by Teenagers

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Some of the '''great achievements''' throughout history in the fields of art, culture, science and technology have been made by '''teenagers'''. This may be because they are able to think in new and innovative ways, or their thinking is not hidebound by discredited nostrums. It may be due to the emergence of God-given talent at an early age, and the natural open-mindedness of young people before they may experience attempts to indoctrinate them towards certain worldviews. Biologically the rate of brain development, and according to some studies [[IQ]], reportedly peak in smart individuals just prior to their teenage years.<ref>http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/30/science/sci-brain30</ref>

==Achievements, listed by age at which they were made==


* '''10''' - [[Mark]], author of the [[Gospel of Mark]], witnesses the arrest of Jesus and develops the first [[Gospel]].

* '''12''' - [[Blaise Pascal]] had secretly worked out the first twenty-three propositions of Euclid by himself.
* '''12''' - [[Jesus]] presents His wisdom in the temple in [[Jerusalem]].
* '''12''' - William "Willie" Johnson earned the [[Medal of Honor]] for his actions during the [[Seven Days Battle]] and on the [[Peninsula Campaign]] during the [[American Civil War]]. [http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/citations_1862_cwh/johnston_willie.html]

* '''13''' - [[Joan of Arc]] was inspired and led [[France]] five years later to victory over the English in the [[Hundred Years War]]; was martyred at age 19.<ref>http://www.discoverfrance.net/France/History/Joan_of_Arc.shtml</ref>
* '''13''' - [[Anne Frank]] began writing her diary, later published as "Anne Frank: The Diary of a Young Girl."
* '''14''' - [[David]] slays [[Goliath]].
* '''14''' - Ismail founded the Safavid dynasty and became its "shah" (military and spiritual ruler)
* '''14''' - [[Bobby Fischer]] became an International [[Chess]] Grandmaster.
* '''14''' - [[Mozart]] wrote the opera, "Mitridate Rè di Ponto."
* '''14''' - [[Nadia Comaneci]] "achieved in her sport what no [[Olympian]], male or female, ever had before: perfection."<ref>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/events/1996/olympics/daily/july25/flashback.html</ref>
* '''14''' - [[St. Theresa of Lisieux]] rejected by Bishop Hugonin, pleads with Pope Leo XIII so she may enter the Carmelites. Became Carmelite nun at age 15.
* '''14''' - Bernadette Soubirous (St Bernadette of Lourdes) has a vision of the Virgin Mary
* '''14''' - The publication of Charles Schulz's first drawing of a dog, which became an inspiration for his cartoon strip ''Peanuts'' about a dog named Snoopy<ref>http://www.ripleys.com/weird/daily-dose-of-weird-wtf-blog/unbelievable-but-true/charles-schults-snoopy-was-first-a-believe-it-or-not/</ref>
* '''14''' - Aaron Swartz develops RSS. Swartz would go on to contest the private ownership of data by trying to liberate millions of academic articles from a corporation.
*'''15''' - Jack Andraka developed a new method to detect pancreatic [[cancer]].<ref>[http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/education/competitions/international-science-and-engineering-fair/winners.htl]
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* '''15''' - [[Louis Braille]] invented the [[Braille]] system.
* '''15''' - [[Christopher Paolini]] writes the first draft of his [[Eragon]] trilogy which is published when he is 19.
* '''15''' - [[Tiger Woods]] becomes the youngest U.S. Junior Amateur Champion in golf history.<ref>http://www.infoplease.com/spot/tigertime1.html</ref>
* '''16''' - Jean-François Champollion, can speak a dozen languages and delivers a paper on the Coptic language to the Grenoble Academy. By 20, he can speak another 13 languages and at 32 he deciphers the [[Rosetta Stone]].
* '''16''' - Boy sailor Jack Cornwall, of HMS Chester, is awarded a [[posthumous]] [[VC]] for gallantry at the [[Battle of Jutland]].
* '''16''' - [[Taylor Swift]] releases her first studio album, which peaks at #1 on the US Top Country Albums chart.
* '''16''' - the average age of 58 [[homeschooled]] teenagers who founded Conservapedia, so that the light of truth would continue to shine and darkness would not overcome it.
* '''16''' - [[Franz Schubert]] wrote his First Symphony; having already composed songs, chamber pieces etc.,
* '''16''' - [[Sun Myung Moon]] writes [[Crown of Glory]].
* '''17''' - Cassie Bernall defended her [[faith]] in front of an [[atheistic]] gunman at the [[Columbine massacre]], and was martyred for it<ref>Two witnesses, Craig Scott and Joshua Lapp, confirmed a question-and-answer confrontation; others said Cassie was praying when murdered.[http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/cassie.htm]</ref>
* '''17''' - [[Georges Bizet]] wrote his Symphony in C of which is heard frequently today.
* '''17*''' - [[Mary]] accepts [[God]]'s will to conceive [[Jesus]] by the [[Holy Spirit]], and gives birth nine months later.<ref>Mary's exact age is not known, but she was old enough to marry under Jewish law and was almost certainly a teenager.[http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm]</ref>
* '''17''' - Shawn Fanning develops the first large-scale peer-to-peer file sharing program, Napster
* '''17''' - Private 1st Class Jacklyn H. Lucas, [[United States Marine Corps]], earned the [[Medal of Honor]] five days after his 17th birthday during the [[Iwo Jima]] battle in [[World War II]]; he was a Marine for ''three years''. [http://www.homeofheroes.com/moh/citations_living/ii_mc_lucas.html]
* '''17''' - [[Mendelssohn]] composed his Octet, widely considered the best of its genre. He had already written 12 string symphonies by age 14.
* '''17''' - Young Tom Morris won the 1868 Open Championship, and remains the youngest ever winner of a major [[golf]] championship. He went on to win again in 1869, 1870 and 1872; effectively four consecutive victories as the Open was not contested in 1871.<ref>http://golf.about.com/od/progolftours/qt/youngmajorm.htm</ref><ref>http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/sportscotland/asportingnation/article/0006/</ref><ref>http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2010/jul/18/young-tom-morris-open-golf</ref>
* '''17''' - [[Pele]] scored six goals in four games in the 1958 [[World Cup]], including perhaps the finest goal ever in the finals, leading [[Brazil]] to the championship.
* '''17''' - [[Malala Yousafzai]] became the youngest ever recipient of a [[Nobel Prize]] in 2014. Her Nobel Peace Prize was jointly awarded with Indian child rights campaigner Kailash Satyarthi. Malala was barely 11 years old when she began championing girls' education in [[Pakistan]], writing a blog (Diary of a Pakistani Schoolgirl) which chronicled her hope to keep going to school and her fears for the future of the province of Swat. She was critically injured in a failed assassination attempt on Oct. 9, 2012, when a Taliban gunman boarded her school bus and shot her in the head.<ref>http://www.people.com/article/malala-yousafzai-wins-nobel-prize</ref><ref>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24379018</ref>
* '''18''' - Lila Rose, a [[UCLA]] student who had been [[homeschooled]], goes undercover and does a stinging expose of an [[abortion]] clinic.<ref>http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2007/may/07051504</ref>
* '''18''' - Shawn Goldsmith from Long Island has earned all 121 merit badges offered by the Boy Scouts.<ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473964,00.html Boy Scout Earns All 121 Merit Badges] AP, December 30, 2008</ref>
* '''18''' - [[Mary Shelley]] writes Frankenstein (The Modern Prometheus), later published when she was 21.
* '''18''' - [[Kasparov|Garry Kasparov]], considered the greatest [[chess]] player ever, won the [[U.S.S.R.]] championship.
* '''18''' - [[Tiger Woods]] wins the U.S. Amateur Championship at the TPC at Sawgrass, becoming the youngest winner ever.<ref>http://www.infoplease.com/spot/tigertime1.html</ref>
* '''19''' - Captain Albert Ball, [[VC]], MC, DSO & 2 bars, commences his career as a fighter pilot. By the time he is killed, aged 20, in 1917, he has become one of the [[First World War]]'s greatest air aces, accounting for at least 44 [[German]] aircraft.
* '''19''' - was the average age of front-line [[US]] service personnel fighting to defend democracy in [[Indochina]] during the [[Vietnam War]].
* '''19''' - [[Evariste Galois]] applies [[group theory]] to the unsolvability of polynomial equations, before his death in a duel at age 20.
* '''19''' - [[Babe Ruth]] began playing for the Boston Red Sox, in what would become the greatest baseball career in history.
* '''19''' - Kirani James won the first [[Olympics|Olympic]] gold medal for the small nation of [[Grenada]], as the first non-[[America]]n to run 400 meters in less than 44 seconds.
* '''19''' - [[John D. Rockefeller]] starts a new company, turning an enormous profit in its first year, and became the most influential businessman in history.<ref>http://www.notablebiographies.com/Pu-Ro/Rockefeller-John-D.html</ref>
* '''19''' - [[Steve Jobs]] begins collaborating in electronics with Steve Wozniak<ref>http://www.ideafinder.com/history/inventors/jobs.htm</ref> in electronics, and developed the personal computer within two years.
* '''19''' - [[Mark Zuckerberg]] commercializes [[Facebook]], which later became the leading social networking system on the [[internet]].
* '''19''' - Jim Ryun broke the world record for running the mile.
* '''19''' - [[Bill Gates]] co-founds [[Microsoft]].
* '''19''' - [[Pete Sampras]] wins his first of 14 Grand Slam titles, at the U.S. Open
* '''19''' - Ginny Thrasher wins the first gold medal for the [[United States]] at the [[2016 Summer Olympics]], in a firearms competition.<ref>http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/rio-2016/2016/08/06/teen-shooter-ginny-thrasher-wins-usa-first-gold-medal/88331356/</ref>
* '''20''' - Carl Friedrich Gauss makes his first mathematical discoveries, which will lead to the completion of "Disquisitiones Arithmeticae", his magnum opus, at the age of 21.
* '''20''' - Willis Carrier invents modern air conditioning.
* '''20''' - Trevor Bayne, who had been [[homeschooled]], became the youngest driver to win a Daytona 500 race.
* '''20''' - [[Tim Tebow]], who had been [[homeschooled]], became the first sophomore and also the youngest person to win the [[Heisman Trophy]].<ref>Subsequently, in 2009, a 19-year-old won the trophy also.</ref>
(add more, sorted by age and then alphabetically)

== See also ==

*[[Gallery of American Heroes]]
*[[Gallery of British Heroes]]

==External links==
*[http://listverse.com/miscellaneous/top-10-child-prodigies/ Top 10 Child Prodigies]

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Achievement]]

Conservative vs. liberal

2017-06-03T17:27:51Z

Abcqwe: added chart

Numerous differences exist between [[conservative]]s and [[liberal]]s. This article compares the two ideologies.

Liberalism and conservatism are two opposing ideologies of two different words, one of which is much smoother with its "-ism" suffix. While there are no definitive or official texts for either, it is usually believed that liberalism connotes the belief that new is always better than old and that history is irrelevant to the present, while conservatism states just the opposite.<ref>"Liberalism." ''Encyclopædia Britannica'', 17th edition.</ref> It could also be described that liberalism is the force of change, and conservatism is the force of preservation.<ref>''The American Collegiate Dictionary''. Merriam-Webster, 1959.</ref> However, in a society in which very much change is the spread of perverted beliefs, diminishing morals, and deceptive indoctrination, it can be that liberalism is the belief which supports such things, and conservatism that which seeks to keep peace and righteousness, even if that does become the change that occurs.<ref>Buckley, William F. ''Up From Liberalism''. [[William F. Buckley, Jr.]] is often considered a leading conservative authority.</ref>

Both sides, as ideologies, enjoy claiming to be the force of reason.

__TOC__

In American politics, parties are often generalized as supporting one cause or the other, and labeled as red or blue. The two ideologies are also made linear by the use of the terms "left" and "right." This is illustrated by the chart below.
{|
|-
|'''l'''iberal
|conservative
|-
|'''l'''eft
|'''r'''ight
|-
|Democrat
|'''R'''epublican
|-
|blue
|'''r'''ed
|}
==Liberalism==
Liberalism, if it is all the ideology that supports change, has no consistent ideals throughout history, but this does not bother it, as it generally ignores history. Identifying its particulars cannot be done based on the literal meaning of the word, "the belief in freedom," because in the present context, liberals often suppress freedom of speech, freedom of the Second Amendment, and in the case of recent judicial activism, the freedom to use executive powers granted by the Constitution and to fulfill one's duty to protect one's country. While the drafters of the Constitution are often regarded as liberals, as they were in support of change and freedom, their ideology is often in conflict with the liberals of today.
See: [[Liberalism]], [[Liberal]]

===Liberal values===
In a present context, the liberal stance on current issues is as follows:
*Liberals oppose the right to life for unborn children
*Liberals support homosexual marriage
*Liberals oppose the right to keep children safe from pornography
*Liberals support legalizing all forms of drugs and chemicals
*Liberals support "affirmative action," i.e., the granting of special rights to minority groups and women.
*Liberals oppose the Second Amendment

Conjecturally, people who are liberal on political ideals...
*prefer bawdy jokes and potty humor over wordplay, even in children's movies.
*use profanity.
*listen to hip-hop or punk rock music, and associate each style with a race.
*believe Satanism is a legitimate, harmless religion, but Christianity is not.
*didn't know Alexander Hamilton wasn't a president until they saw ''Hamilton!''.
*oppose private schools.
*enjoy watching the Oscars.
*spend more time watching the Super Bowl on Super Bowl Sunday than remembering veterans on Veterans' Day and Memorial Day combined. (Memorial Day regards only deceased veterans; veterans includes all).
*think James Joyce and Jack Kerouac were great writers.
*consider Communism as a feasible means of economics.
*believe that World War Two was the cause of the end of the Great Depression, not FDR's economic policies.
*will not accept a tax cut if it requires Donald Trump to take a tax cut as well.
*believe anything a scientist says is true
*accept the existence of hurricanes and other natural disasters as evidence of climate change
*thinks wind power is perfectly safe for the environment, despite reports of birds being killed by the blades, and that solar power is the same, though birds get fried by the concentrated rays. Coal power they reject on the grounds that it produces carbon dioxide.
*accept without questioning that 1+2+3+4+5... is -1/12, because mathematicians say so.
*base their perception of Christianity on its appearance in movies, television, and video games.
*read and see importance in entertainment news and keep track of famous actors and actresses.
*think that the ''Huffington Post'' is a newspaper.

==Conservatism==
Conservatives often wished to be defined as something other than the opposition to the more visible force of liberalism, not to be the background on which it occurs. If conservatism were to define itself as an ideology, it would likely related to certain more defined ones, such as the Judeo-Christian ideology taught by the Bible, the idea of classical liberalism as supported by [[Socrates]] and [[Plato]] but not [[Aristotle]], and the principles of such men as the modern conservatives [[Edmund Burke]], [[William F. Buckley, Jr.]], or the scholarly Christian ancients [[St. Augustine]] and [[Thomas Aquinas]].<ref>"Liberalism." ''The Great Conversation''. Great Books of the Western World, 2. ''Britannica''.</ref> Yet, lacking in a scholarly and documented ideology, the epithet conservative is applied to such differently minded people as [[Rush Limbaugh]], [[C.S. Lewis]], [[Ann Coulter]], [[Bill O'Reilly]], and the staff of Fox News.<ref>"The 100 People the Left Hates Most." ''TIME magazine''.</ref>
See: [[Conservative]]

===Conservative values===
Conservatives generally support religion, particularly [[Christianity]] in the United States, [[capitalism]] and the free market, and the right to bear arms. Conservatives typically believe that the only couples that can bear children are those of a man and a woman, and that thus the union between them is sacred.<ref>Walsh, Matt. "Yes, Gay Marriage Hurts Me Personally." Warning: contains harsh expletives in quoting an attack by a liberal. http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/yes-gay-marriage-hurts-me-personally/.</ref> To conservatives, who believe true science*, gender in humans is determined by the presence or lack of a Y-chromosome.<ref>"MasteringBiology." ''Pearson''.</ref><ref>"Genetics 101: All About DNA." http://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/blog/genetics-101-all-about-dna/</ref>

Conjecturally, those who identify as conservative...
*do not appreciate slapstick humor.
*upon seeing an inspirational video about a girl who raised a billion dollars for her 8-year-old brother by threatening to play annoying songs loudly and extorting money from neighbors ... do not become inspired, rather angry or grateful not to live in that girl's neighborhood.
*suspect that "imaginary" numbers are so named because they are a figment of mathematicians' imaginations, and that such numbers do not apply to math.
*think that anarchy is not about sharing, it's about stealing.
*enjoy smooth jazz, bossa nova, and orchestral music.
*retain integrity when no one is watching.
*do not allow their children to watch programs of which they do not approve, but allow their children to go out into woods and plains.
*support agriculture jobs.
*find setting up dominoes and knocking them down to be more entertaining than popular television.
*wonder how ''Fifty Shades Darker'' got its name when the actors have no visible skin coloration. They also wonder why the ''Twilight'' producers didn't save money and shoot the film in black-and-white, since there was hardly any color to show.
*prefer children who act stunningly innocent rather than like precocious miniature adults.
*are suspicious of the value of new technology, such as the safety of a self-driving car (Can they be remotely hacked?). They may doubt the significance of each new incarnation of the iPhone.
*enjoy solitude and do not need to speak constantly.
See: [[Conservative values]]

==See also==
*[[Similarities between Communism, Nazism and liberalism]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Liberalism]]
[[Category:Conservatism]]

Conservative vs. liberal

2017-06-03T17:21:48Z

Abcqwe: /* Conservatism */

Numerous differences exist between [[conservative]]s and [[liberal]]s. This article compares the two ideologies.

Liberalism and conservatism are two opposing ideologies of two different words, one of which is much smoother with its "-ism" suffix. While there are no definitive or official texts for either, it is usually believed that liberalism connotes the belief that new is always better than old and that history is irrelevant to the present, while conservatism states just the opposite.<ref>"Liberalism." ''Encyclopædia Britannica'', 17th edition.</ref> It could also be described that liberalism is the force of change, and conservatism is the force of preservation.<ref>''The American Collegiate Dictionary''. Merriam-Webster, 1959.</ref> However, in a society in which very much change is the spread of perverted beliefs, diminishing morals, and deceptive indoctrination, it can be that liberalism is the belief which supports such things, and conservatism that which seeks to keep peace and righteousness, even if that does become the change that occurs.<ref>Buckley, William F. ''Up From Liberalism''. [[William F. Buckley, Jr.]] is often considered a leading conservative authority.</ref>

Both sides, as ideologies, enjoy claiming to be the force of reason.
==Liberalism==
Liberalism, if it is all the ideology that supports change, has no consistent ideals throughout history, but this does not bother it, as it generally ignores history. Identifying its particulars cannot be done based on the literal meaning of the word, "the belief in freedom," because in the present context, liberals often suppress freedom of speech, freedom of the Second Amendment, and in the case of recent judicial activism, the freedom to use executive powers granted by the Constitution and to fulfill one's duty to protect one's country. While the drafters of the Constitution are often regarded as liberals, as they were in support of change and freedom, their ideology is often in conflict with the liberals of today.
See: [[Liberalism]], [[Liberal]]

===Liberal values===
In a present context, the liberal stance on current issues is as follows:
*Liberals oppose the right to life for unborn children
*Liberals support homosexual marriage
*Liberals oppose the right to keep children safe from pornography
*Liberals support legalizing all forms of drugs and chemicals
*Liberals support "affirmative action," i.e., the granting of special rights to minority groups and women.
*Liberals oppose the Second Amendment

Conjecturally, people who are liberal on political ideals...
*prefer bawdy jokes and potty humor over wordplay, even in children's movies.
*use profanity.
*listen to hip-hop or punk rock music, and associate each style with a race.
*believe Satanism is a legitimate, harmless religion, but Christianity is not.
*didn't know Alexander Hamilton wasn't a president until they saw ''Hamilton!''.
*oppose private schools.
*enjoy watching the Oscars.
*spend more time watching the Super Bowl on Super Bowl Sunday than remembering veterans on Veterans' Day and Memorial Day combined. (Memorial Day regards only deceased veterans; veterans includes all).
*think James Joyce and Jack Kerouac were great writers.
*consider Communism as a feasible means of economics.
*believe that World War Two was the cause of the end of the Great Depression, not FDR's economic policies.
*will not accept a tax cut if it requires Donald Trump to take a tax cut as well.
*believe anything a scientist says is true
*accept the existence of hurricanes and other natural disasters as evidence of climate change
*thinks wind power is perfectly safe for the environment, despite reports of birds being killed by the blades, and that solar power is the same, though birds get fried by the concentrated rays. Coal power they reject on the grounds that it produces carbon dioxide.
*accept without questioning that 1+2+3+4+5... is -1/12, because mathematicians say so.
*base their perception of Christianity on its appearance in movies, television, and video games.
*read and see importance in entertainment news and keep track of famous actors and actresses.
*think that the ''Huffington Post'' is a newspaper.

==Conservatism==
Conservatives often wished to be defined as something other than the opposition to the more visible force of liberalism, not to be the background on which it occurs. If conservatism were to define itself as an ideology, it would likely related to certain more defined ones, such as the Judeo-Christian ideology taught by the Bible, the idea of classical liberalism as supported by [[Socrates]] and [[Plato]] but not [[Aristotle]], and the principles of such men as the modern conservatives [[Edmund Burke]], [[William F. Buckley, Jr.]], or the scholarly Christian ancients [[St. Augustine]] and [[Thomas Aquinas]].<ref>"Liberalism." ''The Great Conversation''. Great Books of the Western World, 2. ''Britannica''.</ref> Yet, lacking in a scholarly and documented ideology, the epithet conservative is applied to such differently minded people as [[Rush Limbaugh]], [[C.S. Lewis]], [[Ann Coulter]], [[Bill O'Reilly]], and the staff of Fox News.<ref>"The 100 People the Left Hates Most." ''TIME magazine''.</ref>
See: [[Conservative]]

===Conservative values===
Conservatives generally support religion, particularly [[Christianity]] in the United States, [[capitalism]] and the free market, and the right to bear arms. Conservatives typically believe that the only couples that can bear children are those of a man and a woman, and that thus the union between them is sacred.<ref>Walsh, Matt. "Yes, Gay Marriage Hurts Me Personally." Warning: contains harsh expletives in quoting an attack by a liberal. http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/yes-gay-marriage-hurts-me-personally/.</ref> To conservatives, who believe true science*, gender in humans is determined by the presence or lack of a Y-chromosome.<ref>"MasteringBiology." ''Pearson''.</ref><ref>"Genetics 101: All About DNA." http://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/blog/genetics-101-all-about-dna/</ref>

Conjecturally, those who identify as conservative...
*do not appreciate slapstick humor.
*upon seeing an inspirational video about a girl who raised a billion dollars for her 8-year-old brother by threatening to play annoying songs loudly and extorting money from neighbors ... do not become inspired, rather angry or grateful not to live in that girl's neighborhood.
*suspect that "imaginary" numbers are so named because they are a figment of mathematicians' imaginations, and that such numbers do not apply to math.
*think that anarchy is not about sharing, it's about stealing.
*enjoy smooth jazz, bossa nova, and orchestral music.
*retain integrity when no one is watching.
*do not allow their children to watch programs of which they do not approve, but allow their children to go out into woods and plains.
*support agriculture jobs.
*find setting up dominoes and knocking them down to be more entertaining than popular television.
*wonder how ''Fifty Shades Darker'' got its name when the actors have no visible skin coloration. They also wonder why the ''Twilight'' producers didn't save money and shoot the film in black-and-white, since there was hardly any color to show.
*prefer children who act stunningly innocent rather than like precocious miniature adults.
*are suspicious of the value of new technology, such as the safety of a self-driving car (Can they be remotely hacked?). They may doubt the significance of each new incarnation of the iPhone.
*enjoy solitude and do not need to speak constantly.
See: [[Conservative values]]

==See also==
*[[Similarities between Communism, Nazism and liberalism]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Liberalism]]
[[Category:Conservatism]]

Talk:Conservative vs. liberal

2017-06-03T17:10:37Z

Abcqwe: Okay, thanks.

This is just a bunch of links to other articles.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 11:53, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
:I will expand it throughout the month. You can help expand it. Right now, it's just a skeleton. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:56, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
::Okay. I might do that.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 11:58, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Nathan, this is a flagship article topic. It would be tremendous if you expand the article and make it an excellent resource. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:59, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I expanded it some, though I know these terms are hard to define. Thanks, Conservative.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 13:10, 3 June 2017 (EDT)

Conservative vs. liberal

2017-06-03T17:09:29Z

Abcqwe: /* Liberalism */

Numerous differences exist between [[conservative]]s and [[liberal]]s. This article compares the two ideologies.

Liberalism and conservatism are two opposing ideologies of two different words, one of which is much smoother with its "-ism" suffix. While there are no definitive or official texts for either, it is usually believed that liberalism connotes the belief that new is always better than old and that history is irrelevant to the present, while conservatism states just the opposite.<ref>"Liberalism." ''Encyclopædia Britannica'', 17th edition.</ref> It could also be described that liberalism is the force of change, and conservatism is the force of preservation.<ref>''The American Collegiate Dictionary''. Merriam-Webster, 1959.</ref> However, in a society in which very much change is the spread of perverted beliefs, diminishing morals, and deceptive indoctrination, it can be that liberalism is the belief which supports such things, and conservatism that which seeks to keep peace and righteousness, even if that does become the change that occurs.<ref>Buckley, William F. ''Up From Liberalism''. [[William F. Buckley, Jr.]] is often considered a leading conservative authority.</ref>

Both sides, as ideologies, enjoy claiming to be the force of reason.
==Liberalism==
Liberalism, if it is all the ideology that supports change, has no consistent ideals throughout history, but this does not bother it, as it generally ignores history. Identifying its particulars cannot be done based on the literal meaning of the word, "the belief in freedom," because in the present context, liberals often suppress freedom of speech, freedom of the Second Amendment, and in the case of recent judicial activism, the freedom to use executive powers granted by the Constitution and to fulfill one's duty to protect one's country. While the drafters of the Constitution are often regarded as liberals, as they were in support of change and freedom, their ideology is often in conflict with the liberals of today.
See: [[Liberalism]], [[Liberal]]

===Liberal values===
In a present context, the liberal stance on current issues is as follows:
*Liberals oppose the right to life for unborn children
*Liberals support homosexual marriage
*Liberals oppose the right to keep children safe from pornography
*Liberals support legalizing all forms of drugs and chemicals
*Liberals support "affirmative action," i.e., the granting of special rights to minority groups and women.
*Liberals oppose the Second Amendment

Conjecturally, people who are liberal on political ideals...
*prefer bawdy jokes and potty humor over wordplay, even in children's movies.
*use profanity.
*listen to hip-hop or punk rock music, and associate each style with a race.
*believe Satanism is a legitimate, harmless religion, but Christianity is not.
*didn't know Alexander Hamilton wasn't a president until they saw ''Hamilton!''.
*oppose private schools.
*enjoy watching the Oscars.
*spend more time watching the Super Bowl on Super Bowl Sunday than remembering veterans on Veterans' Day and Memorial Day combined. (Memorial Day regards only deceased veterans; veterans includes all).
*think James Joyce and Jack Kerouac were great writers.
*consider Communism as a feasible means of economics.
*believe that World War Two was the cause of the end of the Great Depression, not FDR's economic policies.
*will not accept a tax cut if it requires Donald Trump to take a tax cut as well.
*believe anything a scientist says is true
*accept the existence of hurricanes and other natural disasters as evidence of climate change
*thinks wind power is perfectly safe for the environment, despite reports of birds being killed by the blades, and that solar power is the same, though birds get fried by the concentrated rays. Coal power they reject on the grounds that it produces carbon dioxide.
*accept without questioning that 1+2+3+4+5... is -1/12, because mathematicians say so.
*base their perception of Christianity on its appearance in movies, television, and video games.
*read and see importance in entertainment news and keep track of famous actors and actresses.
*think that the ''Huffington Post'' is a newspaper.

==Conservatism==
Conservatives often wished to be defined as something other than the opposition to the more visible force of liberalism, not to be the background on which it occurs. If conservatism were to define itself as an ideology, it would likely related to certain more defined ones, such as the Judeo-Christian ideology taught by the Bible, the idea of classical liberalism as supported by [[Socrates]] and [[Plato]] but not [[Aristotle]], and the principles of such men as the modern conservatives [[Edmund Burke]], [[William F. Buckley, Jr.]], or the scholarly Christian ancients [[St. Augustine]] and [[Thomas Aquinas]].<ref>"Liberalism." ''The Great Conversation''. Great Books of the Western World, 2. ''Britannica''.</ref> Yet, lacking in a scholarly and documented ideology, the epithet conservative is applied to such differently minded people as [[Rush Limbaugh]], [[C.S. Lewis]], [[Ann Coulter]], [[Bill O'Reilly]], and the staff of Fox News.<ref>"The 100 People the Left Hates Most." ''TIME magazine''.</ref>
See: [[Conservative]]

===Conservative values===
Conservatives generally support religion, particularly [[Christianity]] in the United States, [[capitalism]] and the free market, and the right to bear arms. Conservatives typically believe that the only couples that can bear children are those of a man and a woman, and that thus the union between them is sacred.<ref>Walsh, Matt. "Yes, Gay Marriage Hurts Me Personally." Warning: contains harsh expletives in quoting an attack by a liberal. http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/yes-gay-marriage-hurts-me-personally/.</ref> To conservatives, who believe true science*, gender in humans is determined by the presence or lack of a Y-chromosome.<ref>"MasteringBiology." ''Pearson''.</ref><ref>"Genetics 101: All About DNA." http://www.pbs.org/weta/finding-your-roots/blog/genetics-101-all-about-dna/</ref> They also support chunky peanut butter and because they have truth and machismo.<ref>Conservative. ''[[Essay: Richard Dawkins and peanut butter]]''.</ref>
See: [[Conservative values]]

==See also==
*[[Similarities between Communism, Nazism and liberalism]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Liberalism]]
[[Category:Conservatism]]

Conservative vs. liberal

2017-06-03T16:44:44Z

Abcqwe: /* Liberalism */

Conservative vs. liberal

2017-06-03T16:43:23Z

Abcqwe: /* Liberalism */

Conservative vs. liberal

2017-06-03T16:26:30Z

Abcqwe: /* Conservatism */

Conservative vs. liberal

2017-06-03T16:08:33Z

Abcqwe: references

Conservative vs. liberal

2017-06-03T16:04:35Z

Abcqwe: opening - this is likely going to be changed

Talk:Conservative vs. liberal

2017-06-03T15:58:14Z

Abcqwe: Okay. I might do that.

Talk:Conservative vs. liberal

2017-06-03T15:53:38Z

Abcqwe: Created page with "This is just a bunch of links to other articles.~~~~"

This is just a bunch of links to other articles.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 11:53, 3 June 2017 (EDT)

John Bartlett

2017-06-03T15:51:10Z

Abcqwe:

'''John Bartlett''' (1820-1905) was an American author known for his main work, ''Bartlett's Familiar Quotations''.<ref>''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''. Prentice Hall, New York, 1993.</ref>

==Life and Works==
John Bartlett was born June 14, 1820, and worked at the Harvard University bookstore, where his advice in book knowledge gained great repute.<ref>"John Bartlett." ''Biography.com''. http://www.biography.com/people/john-bartlett-9200763</ref> He kept a notebook of frequently cited quotes that later became ''Bartlett's Familiar Quotations'', edition after edition of which was published.<ref>"Bartlett, John." ''Encyclopedia Britannica Online''.</ref> The work was still edited posthumously, notably by Justin Kaplan.<ref>"Kaplan, Justin." ''Encyclopedia Britannica Online''.</ref> He also wrote books regarding chess, angling, and [[William Shakespeare|Shakespeare]], and died December 3, 1905 in Cambridge.

==See also==
*[[E. B. White]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

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[[Category:American Authors]]
[[Category:Massachusetts]]
[[Category:Reference Authors]]

William Rose Benét

2017-06-03T15:50:31Z

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'''William Rose Benét''' (1886-1950) was an American author, brother of [[Stephen Vincent Benét]]. His works include the ''Oxford Anthology of American Literature'' (editor, 1938), and ''The Dust Which Is God'' (1941). He won a Pulitzer Prize for ''The Dust Which Is God''.<ref>''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''. Prentice Hall, New York, 1993.</ref>

==Life and Works==
Benét was born February 2, 1886, in Brooklyn, New York, but was raised in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and attended [[Yale University]].<ref>http://pabook2.libraries.psu.edu/palitmap/bios/Benet__William_Rose.html</ref> He was a founding member and contributor to the ''Saturday Review of Literature'' and wrote many volumes of poetry, including ''Merchants from Cathay'' (1913), ''The Great White Wall'' (1916), and ''A Man Possessed'' (1927).<ref>"William Rose Benét." ''Poetry Foundation''. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poets/detail/william-rose-benet</ref> He married four times and fathered at least three children.<ref>"William Rose Benét." ''Poem Hunter, Biography''. https://www.poemhunter.com/william-rose-benet/biography/</ref> His best known work, however, is likely ''The Dust Which is God'', a partially autobiographical novel which states that man changes himself from dust via affirmation.<ref>"Dust Which is God."
''Worldcat''. http://www.worldcat.org/title/dust-which-is-god/oclc/12647271</ref> He created his own encyclopedia, ''The Reader's Encyclopedia'' in 1948, and died on May 4, 1950, in New York City.<ref>http://pabook2.libraries.psu.edu/palitmap/bios/Benet__William_Rose.html</ref>

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Stephen Vincent Benét

2017-06-03T15:47:46Z

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'''Stephen Vincent Benét''' (1898-1943) was an American poet and writer of short stories and Western novels. His works include ''John Brown’s Body'' (1928), ''Ballads and Poems, 1915-30'' (1931), ''Thirteen O’Clock'' (1937), and ''Western Star'' (1943). He won Pulitzer Prizes for ''John Brown’s Body'' and ''Western Star''.<ref>''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''. Prentice Hall, New York, 1993.</ref>

==Life and Works==
Benét was born July 22, 1898.<ref>http://pabook2.libraries.psu.edu/palitmap/bios/Benet__Stephen_Vincent.html</ref> He and his brother [[William Rose Benét|William]] were raised in various military homes, as their father traveled frequently, and it was there he developed an interest in [[Joseph Conrad]], [[Rudyard Kipling]], and [[G.K. Chesterton]].<ref>"Stephen Vincent Benét."
''Poetry Foundation''. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poets/detail/stephen-vincent-benet</ref> By the time he attended [[Yale University]] in 1915, he had already published ''Five Man and Pompey'', a collection of dramatic monologues, and published a novel, ''The Beginning of Wisdom'' (1921) upon his received a master of arts degree.<ref>"Benét, Stephen Vincent."
''Encyclopedia: Literature and Arts, American Literature.'' http://www.encyclopedia.com/people/literature-and-arts/american-literature-biographies/stephen-vincent-benet</ref> During the Roaring Twenties, he was best known for his short magazine articles about small town life, though sometimes he though they were substandard.<ref>http://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/116643.html</ref> He published a few novels during the time, including ''Spanish Bayonet'' (1926), set in colonial Florida, but ''John Brown's Body'' was the one that established him as a famous novelist.<ref>"Benét, Stephen Vincent." ''Poem Hunter Biography''. https://www.poemhunter.com/stephen-vincent-benet/biography/</ref> He continued to publish short stories and novels, including the well-known "The Devil and Daniel Webster," a play set in 19th century America in which [[Daniel Webster]] saves a man from fulfilling his deal with the [[devil]].<ref>"Benét, Stephen Vincent." ''Encyclopedia Britannica Online''.</ref>He died March 13, 1943 in New York City of a heart attack.<ref>"Stephen Vincent Benét." ''Poets''. https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poet/stephen-vincent-ben%C3%A9t</ref>

==References==
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==External Links==
*[https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poets/detail/stephen-vincent-benet Extensive Biography] by the Poetry Foundation
*[https://www.poemhunter.com/stephen-vincent-benet/poems/ Poems] at the Poem Hunter website

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Robert Benchley

2017-06-03T15:42:49Z

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'''Robert Benchley''' (1889-1945) was an American humorist and actor. His works include ''Love Conquers All'' (1922), ''My Ten Years in a Quandary'' (1936), and ''Benchley Beside Himself'' (1943).<ref>''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''. Prentice Hall, New York, 1993.</ref> He is best remembered for a single quote:{{cquote|Opera is when a man gets stabbed in the back, and, instead of bleeding, sings. --Robert Benchley}}

==Life==
Benchley was born September 15, 1889, into a superficially tragic childhood in the 1890s of bee stings and cuts, though it was truly darkened by the death of his brother Edmund in the Spanish-American War.<ref>https://users.wpi.edu/~cityofwords/benchley.html</ref> He attended [[Harvard University]], where he wrote for the ''Harvard Lampoon'', and later wrote several essays for the ''New Yorker''.<ref>"Benchley, Robert."
''The Famous People''. http://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/robert-benchley-2682.php</ref> He was their lead drama critic and wrote for the Wayward Press under the name Guy Fawkes before his monologue "The Treasurer's Report," introduced him to the revue and the cinema.<ref>"Benchley, Robert." ''Encyclopedia Britannica Online''.</ref>
During the 1920s, he was a very popular humorist who wrote about daily struggles.<ref>"Robert Benchley."
''Infoplease''. https://www.infoplease.com/people/who2-biography/robert-benchley</ref> He also worked as an actor, receiving over 40 small roles in films including ''How to Sleep''.<ref>"Robert Benchley, Synopsis." ''Biography.com''. http://www.biography.com/people/robert-benchley-9206715#synopsis</ref> He considered himself, over all, a lazy man, and member of the Algonquin Club along with [[Dorothy Parker]], Robert Sherwood, and Alexander Parker, a group also called the ''Vicious Circle''.<ref>Pietruza, David. "Robert Benchley: A Profile in Humor." http://www.davidpietrusza.com/benchley.html</ref> Over time, his interested in writing decreased and he appeared more in films until his death on November 21, 1945.<ref>"Benhcley, Robert."
''Your Dictionary''. http://biography.yourdictionary.com/robert-benchley</ref>

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*[https://users.wpi.edu/~cityofwords/benchley.html A City of Words]
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Saul Bellow

2017-06-03T15:38:00Z

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'''Saul Bellow''' (1915—2005<ref>"Saul Bellow, Who Breathed Life Into American Novel, Dies at 89."
''The New York Times''. Obituary. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/books/0406wire-bellow.html</ref>) was an American novelist, short story writer, essayist and playwright. He was awarded the National Book Award for Fiction three times (1954, 1965 and 1971), the [[Pulitzer Prize]] for Fiction (1976), and the [[Nobel Prize]] in Literature (1976). His works include ''The Adventures of Augie March'' (1953), ''Seize the Day'' (1956), ''Henderson the Rain King'' (1959), ''Herzog'' (1964), ''Mr. Sammler's Planet'' (1970), and ''Humboldt's Gift'' (1975).<ref>''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991.</ref>

==Life and works==
Bellow was born June 10, 1915, in Lachine, Quebec, Canada, and moved with his family to Chicago in 1924. He attended the University of Chicago, received a Bachelor's degree from Northwestern University in 1937, and served in the Merchant Marine during World War II.<ref>"Saul Bellow - Biographical." ''Nobelprize.org''. http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1976/bellow-bio.html</ref> He wrote two novels, ''Dangling Man'' and ''The Victim'', before becoming successful with ''The Adventures of Augie March'', the story of Augie's failed relationships and careers in the postwar era.<ref>"Saul Bellow."
''My Jewish Learning''. http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/saul-bellow/</ref> It was during that time that he was influenced by Trotskyism, [[Dostoevsky]], and rejected [[Hemingway]]'s ideals, though as he improved as a writer he became somewhat conservative.<ref>"Bellow, Saul." ''Jewish Virtual Library''. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/saul-bellow</ref>

This newer prose made him and other Jewish authors successful, and much of it is considered the superior and most realistic description of the [[Great Depression]] in Chicago.<ref>"The Life of Saul Bellow."
''University of Michigan Student Projects''. http://www.umich.edu/~eng217/student_projects/nobel%20prize%20winners/bellow.htm</ref> He was known for vivid, beautiful prose compared to that of America's greatest, [[Walt Whitman]] and [[Herman Melville]].<ref>Vitale, Tom. "A Century After His Birth, Saul Bellow's Prose Still Sparkles." ''NPR Broadcast''. http://www.npr.org/2015/05/31/410939442/a-century-after-his-birth-saul-bellows-prose-still-sparkles</ref> He wrote ''Henderson the Rain King'', about an American millionaire in Africa, and many stories about Jewish intellectuals' internal monologues before dying on April 5, 2005.<ref>"Bellow, Saul." ''Encyclopedia Britannica Online''.</ref>

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Ann Beattie

2017-06-03T15:32:07Z

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'''Ann Beattie''' (born 1947) is an American writer of short stories. Her works include ''Distortions'' (1976), ''Chilly Scenes of Winter'', her first novel, (1976), ''Where You'll Find Me'' (1986) and ''Picturing Will'' (1990).<ref>''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''. Prentice Hall, New York, 1993.</ref>

==Life and Works==
Beattie was born on September 8, 1947, in Washington D.C., graduated from American University in 1969, and got a master of arts degree from the University of Connecticut in 1970.<ref name="brit">"Beattie, Ann." ''Encyclopedia Britannica Online''.</ref> She began to print her short stories in ''The New Yorker'' in the early 1970s.

Her short stories, such as "Burning House" and "Snow" concern a sort of apathetic, godless suburban world of discord, secrecy and sin.<ref>"Ann Beattie." ''Story Bites: Author Biographies''. http://www.storybites.com/author-biographies/ann-beattie.php</ref> Many of her characters came of age in the 1960s and have difficulty adjusting to newer values, and speak in Beattie's minimalist style.<ref name="brit" /> Beattie received the PEN/Malamud Award in 2000 and the Rea Award in 2005.<ref>"Anne Beattie." ''Simon and Schuster''. http://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Ann-Beattie/1926455</ref>

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User talk:Wisdomcriesout

2017-06-02T16:00:16Z

Abcqwe: Created page with "{{welcome}} Though it seems you've been here before, longer than I have.~~~~"

{{welcome}}
Though it seems you've been here before, longer than I have.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 12:00, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

User talk:JZ17

2017-06-01T22:52:11Z

Abcqwe: He's a sock.

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:...And he turns out to be Johnny's sock. Oh well. I've gotta wait a bit before welcoming people.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 18:52, 1 June 2017 (EDT)

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2017-06-01T21:59:54Z

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User talk:MacTavish

2017-06-01T21:57:10Z

Abcqwe: Okay.

{{welcome}}
May I ask, just here to play with the Worst Liberal Shows list or to contribute to more encyclopedic pieces?--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 17:53, 1 June 2017 (EDT)

Oh, hey! Didn't expect you here. I'll get to encyclopedic pieces soon enough. Right now, I wanted to start with the best and worst lists as a "warmup," for lack of a better term.
:Makes sense. By the way, on talk pages, if you type four tildes (~) it will sign the comment.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 17:57, 1 June 2017 (EDT)