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Conservapedia logo2.png Welcome to the talk page of Chippeterson, an Administrator for Conservapedia. Clear and concise messages are most likely to get the fastest response and prevent misunderstandings. If you have been blocked or wish to talk about a personal matter, please email me instead. I don't have the authority in most cases to overturn another admin's block, necessitating that you speak to them. If you are unable to contact the blocking user, I can attempt to contact them or forward your email to a body empowered to consider appeals.

I look forward to serving you and thank you for your contributions to Conservapedia.

Sincerely,

Chippeterson


Contents

Pete Domenici

Thanks a lot for your work on the Pete Domenici article! It looks great! --Tash 17:06, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

McCain

Just wanted you to know I think you have done some very good work adding to and formating the article! --₮K/Talk 01:51, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Speaking of the McCain article, if you're going to revert my edit regarding his lapel pin, then make sure you go ahead and do the same for Barack Obama. LinusWilson 14:07, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

Even though I didn't edit that info into Barack's page. I was trying to be somewhat consistent in the site's treatment of Presidential candidates, since to do so with actual issues 'twould be stamped out like a drunken mutiny (and probably labeled as such...) LinusWilson 14:23, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

Wikproject:News

Thanks for volunteering for the Wikiproject:News. I'm just wondering, what is your Political Affiliation? --DeanStalk 18:03, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, when I'm 18 I'll definitely join the Republican party. And I'm strongly conservative.
Ok, thanks for the info. I look forward to your contributions to the news project. --DeanStalk 18:33, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

You signed up to work on the Wikproject:News. What would you like to do for the project? Are you interested in [[Wikiproject:News/Suggestions|creating news articles]], wanted pages or working on the Previous News archives? --DeanStalk 14:16, 24 August 2008 (EDT)

I notice that there has been no news on this site over the protesters for the upcoming Democrat convention, there are a lot of groups trying to make this like 1968. If there's any major event that's not being covered, I'll tell you Dean.

Testing for AIDS

How is Biden stating he was tested for AIDS a controversial comment? --Jareddr 17:09, 25 August 2008 (EDT).

The crowd laughed when he said that Jareddr, because it sounded like they tested for Aids together. Or at least that's what Barack Obama thought.

I understand the crowd laughed for the way it came out. But how is it c

controversial? And, p.s., it's AIDS--all capital letters, since it's an acronym. --Jareddr 17:19, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

controversial - of, relating to, or arousing controversy. When a politician comes off saying that he was tested for AIDS with someone when he wasn't then thats clearly arousing and controversial.

Except, as was quoted, he DIDN'T say he was tested with Obama. The crowd laugh because it may have sounded that way, but reading the text, that's a pretty far stretch. "I've got tested for AIDS, I know Barack's got tested for AIDS..." Heck, I could say the same thing since I know Barack was tested for AIDS. Of course, that doesn't seem to suggest that we were tested together, nor does it make it controversial. It's a far stretch and I think it doesn't deserve inclusion in the section. --Jareddr 17:36, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

Barack Obama, and the large crowd all thought that's what it sounded like. And Barack Obama saying that he wanted to make it clear that he was not tested with Biden, then it clearly caused controversy at that debate. Therefor, making it a controversial comment. But go ahead, take it out if that's what you want.

Wikiproject:News/Suggestions

Chippeterson, Thanks for contributing news items. When your suggested news items have been completed, they will be archived under [[Wikiproject:News/Suggestions/Archives#Chippeterson|your name]] so we can keep the suggestions page clear for new items. --DeanStalk 08:20, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Chippeterson, I noticed you want to be first in Wikiproject:News/Suggestions. I have a suggestion for you. I added a new section called [[Wikiproject:News/Suggestions#Rewrite_current_headlines|Rewrite current headlines]]. You have a much higher chance of getting the lead if you rewrite some of these headlines. --DeanStalk 15:25, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Obama Speech News headline

I had posted a comment on the Main Talk page regarding the accuracy of the headline you wrote on Obama's speech. DeanS has informed me that he'd prefer a direct response from you before any changes are made, so can you take a look and respond there? Thanks. --DinsdaleP 14:26, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Removing Templates

I appreciate your attempt to add templates to the candidate pages. After having taken a longer look at them, they just seem a little out-of-place since they're tailored specifically for president and v.p., and not nominees. I'm going to take them off, but hopefully a sysop will come forward and modify the template slightly so that it can be used for nominations as well. It would only take changing a few letters here and there and it's all set. Hopefully it pulls through b/c it's informative, but just not appropriate the way it's currently designed. --Jareddr 14:56, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

O.K. Jareddr, but I do hope that a sysop adds template's for Senator's and Governor's. Just make sure that you keep the pictures.

I absolutely agree templates should be added for those positions (as well as Representatives). Sorry about the pictures, didn't realize they were embedded into the template codes. Thanks for fixing my deletions! --Jareddr 15:07, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

New Privileges

Congrats on your promotion! --Jareddr 08:41, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Congratulations Chippeterson. Now you can upload your own photos - (non-AP) of course. ;-) --DeanStalk 10:42, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Wow! Thank you so much! I'm going to have some fun with this.

You deserve it Chip. Good work! Learn together 14:09, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
I've been following your edits and you certainly deserved the promotion(s). One small request is to remember categories and bolding the main term, but you seem to be getting better about this. -Foxtrot 00:07, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Harry Reid Photo

Could we use this picture instead? It's his official portrait. Thank you --Jareddr 17:36, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

I'd rather stick with the current one.

That's fine, if it's public domain. Can you please include the source of the all the photos that you upload on their image pages? Thanks.--Aschlafly 17:56, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Aschlafly, I think I've had that photo saved for 2-3 years. But I'll copy/paste the source of the photo's from now on.

Chippeterson, you can use this fair use template from now on.

For the previous uploaded photos, add the source info to the image's talk page and I will transfer it to the image's content page. --DeanStalk 18:12, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

DeanS, I put the source for the photo's on the talk pages. The ones on Harry Reid and Michael Steele I had saved for a long time, so I replaced them with new ones with the fair use template. Chippeterson September 11 2008

Glad to see we're now using Reid's official portrait. --Jareddr 18:50, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Images

When uploading images, I think you should be naming them with a more descriptive filename than just a number. Perhaps something like "ReaganBush" for the last one, or "BushMedal" or something that provides more information to the users. --Jareddr 20:16, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

Replacing pages with redirects

Chip, in the cases I've replaced on of your new entries with a redirect, it was because the new information was too similar to an existing article. In the case of Classes, I noticed that the information in Class didn't match the meaning you had written, so I move your content in its place and then moved the previous content to a more specified page. Please be aware that I take into consideration why an article was created before replacing it with a redirect. --Foxtrot 18:29, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

Categories

I didn't want to start a new subject header for this. I noticed with your newest edits that you've been avoiding Category:Dictionary when you can. This makes me VERY happy :-) Thank you! -Foxtrot 19:11, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Congratulations

...on getting your ton (if you're not there quite, it can only be a matter of one or two more). You're an inspiration to lazier mortals! Bugler 17:20, 14 September 2008 (EDT) I spoke too late! Well done, Chip. Bugler 17:24, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Congratulations Chippeterson! In recognition of your superb contributions, you are featured on the Main page news section. Thanks for your efforts on the wanted articles and the news suggestions. --DeanStalk 21:31, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks DeanS. It feels really nice to be appreciated. Chippeterson September 14 2008

Privileges

Chip, I know you have upload rights, but do you have block rights? There's some people putting in nonsense and I can't find anyone who's on to block them. Jeffrey W. LauttamusDiscussion 22:02, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

Sorry Jeffrey, I don't have any block rights. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chippeterson (talk)

Chip, you didn't know it, but you DO have block rights.
20:18, September 10, 2008 Aschlafly (Talk | contribs | block) changed group membership for User:Chippeterson from Upload to Upload, Block
Now you can help block these vandals. --DeanStalk 01:11, 19 September 2008 (EDT)

That's great DeanS. I'll be sure to keep a look out.

Chip, please verify the photo source BEFORE uploading photos. Do not upload anything from AP or Reuters, they do not allow fair use. I deleted one of the photos and another one looks suspicious. See the talk pages. --DeanStalk 01:51, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

New pages

Chip, please be careful when making new pages. For example, you just created honest, but honesty already exists. HelpJazz 18:39, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Then honest shouldn't be on the wanted pages. Chippeterson September 20 2008

If it was on the wanted pages then someone linked to it somewhere, and it needed a redirect. It's no biggie, I'm just trying to save you work in the future. In general we want nouns as the subject of an article, not adjectives. HelpJazz 20:07, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

Chip, when creating new articles, please watch out for circular definitions. I've seen several of your contributions over the last five days fall into this pattern. It makes the entries only marginally better than a red link. Examples: supervision, systemic, curvature, happiness, breakaway, enshrine, negative, descent, honest, enlighten. Please take note. -Foxtrot 12:27, 25 September 2008 (EDT)


Images

Chippeterson, you just uploaded an image from Getty Images. We don't allow that unless you have express permission from the owner. Thanks.--Aschlafly 17:21, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for telling me Aschlafly. I'll find something else. Chippeterson Oct 3 2008

When you upload images from whitehouse.gov (or other .gov or public domain images), use this public domain template instead of the fair use template.

Template:Public domain image
{{Public domain image |source = <source> |usernotes = <optional:user notes> }}

Another user also suggested uploaders use names relative to the image, instead of a bunch of numbers. Like you did with the Cheney image. Thanks for your contributions Chip. --DeanStalk 12:49, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Conservapedia Day 2008

Champion cup.jpg

This is to certify that

Chippeterson

completed 237 new pages and is awarded

First place

News Section - Wanted Pages

From Conservapedia, on November 21, 2008

Champion cup.jpg

This is to certify that

Chippeterson

completed 33 suggestions and is awarded

Second place

News Section - News Suggestions

From Conservapedia, on November 21, 2008

Chippeterson, Congratulations on being the top contributor to the news section wanted pages. You also came in second place for the news suggestions. Your accomplishments are posted on the Main page. Thanks for your many contributions to Conservapedia and the news project. --DeanStalk 11:30, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Thank you!

NewsProject - Wanted pages

Since you are a member of the news project, I need your help with wanted pages. We now have over 100 wanted pages and I need you to pick a few to work on this coming week. --DeanStalk 23:30, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Richard Nixon

You've been doing a massive about of work! It's looking good, Chip. --₮K/Admin/Talk 01:56, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks TK.

Guard Dog

  • Don't get mad....Guard Dog has a touch of the rabies, Chip, and simply went mad with the newer version of Wikimedia we are using! I was getting around to unblocking everyone, but a busy day at work....sorry you were caught up in it. --₮K/Admin/Talk 17:19, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

No problem TK, I understand the mistake. Chippeterson

Unblocking

Please do not unilaterally undo another admin's block, but rather e-mail the admin in question and explain the situation to him. This procedure has been set out in the Guidelines by Mr. Schlafly. --KotomiTnandeyanen? 12:01, 16 April 2009 (EDT)


revert

Thank you for your efforts--Jpatt 22:27, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Dianne Feinstein

Better check your sources again....Alan Cranston preceded her in the Senate! --ṬK/Admin/Talk 22:20, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Colin Powell projecting his failure unto John McCain is a fact

I'll concede this may be debateable, but to immediately threaten me with blocking me over asserting this is a Gestapo tactic I would have expected on Wikipedia, not Conservapedia. Brown25 17:49, 19 July 2009 (EDT)

What you wrote Brown25 was an opinion, one that I happen to agree with, but definitely not a fact. Chippeterson July 19, 2009
The bit about the WMD's was speculation, unsupported, and it is a known fact (for all but the radical left) that the WMD information mislead everyone, because it seemingly turned out to be bad intelligence, not only on the part of the CIA, but MI-6 in the U.K., as well as other foreign intelligence agencies. Therefore it cannot ever be stated it was a lie, since what Powell said, what Bush said, was based upon their best belief and information at hand. See the difference, Brown25? Consistency isn't one of Powell's strengths. --ṬK/Admin/Talk 18:30, 19 July 2009 (EDT)

Thanks!

Thanks for noticing that jabber on the cat page, Chip...I told myself I would get back to it to remove it! Well, best laid plans, and all that.... --ṬK/Admin/Talk 19:00, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

No problem TK.Chippeterson August 3, 2009

Obituary

Wow, that's a lot of writing. [1] Did you do all that yourself? --Ed Poor Talk 12:27, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

Yes. As I said in my bio, I enjoy writing biographies. Chippeterson August 12, 2009

Can you dig anything up on In Jin Moon, daughter of Unification Church founder Sun Myung Moon? --Ed Poor Talk 13:15, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
Her brothers are also good, but she's the Boss these days - at least in America. --Ed Poor Talk 16:13, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

Lincoln Chafee

While he's no longer a member of the Republican party, he served as a Senator as one, and indeed for a long time was the poster boy for RINOs. He's certainly a relevant recent historical example of a RINO, so I've added him back to the article with the note that he left the party in 2007. DanielPulido 08:19, 17 August 2009 (EDT)

O.K. fine. Chippeterson August 17, 2009

Tsar / Czar

We were planning on moving the existing articles, all separate now, into the name place you vacated over an Administrator's redirect. This was all on someone's talk page, last month, I believe. The Admin should have locked the page, but didn't, so no fault on your part, however, what you need to do is go back and create a disambiguation page, however. Thanks! --ṬK/Admin/Talk 09:32, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

Sorry for being confused KT, how can I create a disambiguation page. Tsar and Czar are spelled differently. Chippeterson August 20, 2009

Let's see:

  1. Tsar - Russian ruler
  2. Tzar => Redirects to tsar
  3. Czar - U.S. slang cabinet level post

How shall we handle this? --Ed Poor Talk 21:46, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Maybe you can change the titles to Tsar (Slavic term) and Czar (U.S. government). On the Tsar page we can add at the top, For the U.S. government political term see: Czar, and vice versa. Chippeterson September 1 2008

John Lynch

Thanks for helping distinguish the governor from the football player. --Ed Poor Talk 21:43, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Congratulations!

Congratulations, you've earned the valuable additional privileges of overnight editing and locking the database. The only promotion after that is to become Administrator, and you're close to earning that. Well done!--Andy Schlafly 22:19, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Yes, welcome to siteadmin. You've earned it!--Jpatt 22:26, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

I'm speechless Jpatt, Mr. Schlafly. I'll find all the right words later. But to be part of your team is an honor. This is a great new responsibility and look forward to working with all the administrators and having a greater impact on conservapedia. Chippeterson September 1 2008

Your new privileges are very well deserved. Thanks for contributing your insights here!--Andy Schlafly
Welcome to this new responsibility! --Joaquín Martínez 23:04, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Thank you. Chippeterson September 1 2008

Aschlafly, I have siteadmin rights, but I'm unable to lock/unlock articles. Is something wrong? Chippeterson September 1 2008

The siteadmin privilege is different from the admin privilege. --Ed Poor Talk 23:40, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Thank you for clearing up the confusion Ed Poor. Chippeterson September 1 2008

The siteadmin privilege lets you lock the entire database (for emergency use only). Later on, you'll be made one of the Administrators and can lock one page at a time. --Ed Poor Talk 23:44, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Congratulations on earning the powers of Administrator! You can edit locked pages, and lock uploaded images, in addition to your other privileges.--Andy Schlafly 22:15, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

Many congrats on Admin, Chip! We need a few more great editors around here! AddisonDM 22:32, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

Mr. Schlafly, this is quite exciting. Even with the title of administrator, my objective is the same as it was when I started here over two years ago. To improve and expand conservapedia, now with more responsibility. Thank you so much. Chippeterson September 3 2008

"Use the mop wisely," as they say at Wikipedia. --Ed Poor Talk 00:00, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

Thank you Ed Poor, I'll do my best. Chippeterson September 7 2008

thanks

hi chippererson. i can edit now. thanks unless it was tk that sorted it out

Well I have no idea what your talking about, so it must have been TK. Chippeterson September 20 2008

Block of Democrat98

You were correct in asking for "Please recreate your account..." however you did not give him a chance to register again. Simply uncheck "Prevent account creation" and "Automatically block the last IP". --Jpatt 11:08, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

Very good news posting

Very good news posting about the Florida race! I liked your posting a lot ... and learned from it! Well done!--Andy Schlafly 10:34, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

No need to thank me Aschlafly, just doing my job. I expect I'll be posting a lot of 2009/2010 campaign news. Chippeterson 1:01, October 19, 2009

Hello?

If you still have blocking rights, you may want to take a look at the recent changes. -- Jeffrey W. LauttamusDiscussion 10:45, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

I have school and a job Jeffrey. Chippeterson 6:13, October 20, 2009

You can just call me Jeff. I didn't mean to be abrupt, you were just the only sysop that I saw on at that time. I didn't mean to appear hostile. Jeffrey W. LauttamusDiscussion 18:22, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

Christie

FYI, in the last week of the campaign, after the Quinnipiac poll, Christie swing way to the right and appeared with Steve Lonegan. Corzine even ran ads in the final days saying Christie is "too" conservative.

Christie's running mate had a good, heartfelt meeting with pro-life leaders in the final weeks of the campaign, and it's not clear even if she is really pro-choice anymore.--Andy Schlafly 10:11, 4 November 2009 (EST)

Andy, I just didn't like that news headline calling Christie a RINO, when his entire campaign was about cutting spending, cutting taxes, reducing regulation, and law-and-order. I'm very proud of Governor-elect McDonnell and Governor-elect Christie. Chippeterson November 4, 2009

Christie started looking more and more like a conservative near the end of the campaign. Steve Lonegan endorsed and campaigned with him. Chris Smith endorsed him. Corzine even ran ads criticizing Christie as a conservative! So you may be right, and the news headline was premature. But those are goals of news items: be out in front, be timely, and be provocative. Sorry if it was misguided.--Andy Schlafly 21:48, 4 November 2009 (EST)
Here's something else: the left tried in vain to find something wrong with him[2]. Karajou 22:06, 4 November 2009 (EST)

Terrific news posting

Terrific news posting, Chippeterson! You've develop a superb skill at identifying and writing good headlines. It's a valuable talent.--Andy Schlafly 13:23, 4 December 2009 (EST)

And, again, thanks for another fascinating new headline!--Andy Schlafly 20:50, 4 December 2009 (EST)

Andy you flatter me :) No need to thank me, just doing my job. Chippeterson December 04, 2009

Account Recreation

The other sysops seem to add autoblock disabled in parentheses when they ask Please recreate your account with your real first name and last initial. This may take care of the problems I had with this kind of block... ComedyFan 20:04, 11 December 2009 (EST)

Frank, we have had to ban hundreds of poorly formatted names over the past 3 days - mistakes are inevitable. I made a few myself. Please sign your comments with your name FrankC, not ComedyFan. JacobB 20:05, 11 December 2009 (EST)
I just want to prevent future errors (and current ones, like User:Reclaimamerica and User:Monkies) FrankC aka ComedyFan 20:15, 11 December 2009 (EST)

Francis Collins

Hi, Chip. I noticed that you've re-formatted some of my edits to make it more Conservapedia friendly.

Would you mind taking a look at this entry that I've created?

http://conservapedia.com/Francis_Collins

Or can you point in the direction of how to format? I'd love to contribute, but my computer skills aren't too great. MadShell 00:53, 13 December 2009 (EST)

Thanks!

Thanks for the quick action on that idiot troll, Chip! --ṬK/Admin/Talk 23:27, 16 December 2009 (EST)

Great Job on Congress!

keep it up and Merry Christmas RJJensen 00:12, 24 December 2009 (EST)

Reversion

TY, if other complain you can change it back. FYI, I noticed you created an article entitled Minutemen project, we have the article Minuteman project of similar or exact same group.--Jpatt 01:40, 30 December 2009 (EST)

I apologize for the mistake Jpatt. -Chippeterson December 30, 2009

Congratulations! (Part Two)

I see Andy has granted you Oversight, Chip...a well-deserved privilege! If you have any questions about it, please ask. --ṬK/Admin/Talk 03:41, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

New entries are superb!

Your new entries about the new congressmen are terrific!--Andy Schlafly 23:23, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

2011

Happy new year!

Usa new year 2010.jpg

--Joaquín Martínez 21:27, 5 January 2011 (EST)

Fiscal Conservative

Hi! I'm fixing up all the 'wanted categories' and I came across Category: Fiscal Conservatives. I saw that you deleted it, but 25 articles link to it. It would be easiest if we just restored, or if you want to rename it let's make a new one? AddisonDM 19:23, 6 March 2011 (EST)

Sure, go ahead. -Chippeterson March 06, 2011

Template:Officeholder

Hey chip! Just a reminder - when recording offices as part of the template:officeholder template, if the office holder is not the active office holder, the former parameter should be set to "y", not "n". Thanks!--IDuan 13:07, 13 March 2011 (EDT)

I do that on purpose because when someone serves as a Representative or some other office, they're given that title for life. -Chippeterson March 14, 2011

Hmm - they are given the title for life, but I wonder if it's not incorrect to say "former representative" ... for example, George Bush would still be President Bush, but would it be incorrect to describe him as the "former President of the United States"? If so, I should remove the "former" from the template.--IDuan 20:13, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
After a little bit of research, I believe the answer is no - because we're not using the description as a title. So it's not as if we're saying "Former Representative Doe" (which would be incorrect) - we're saying "John Doe - Former Representative of ...", but if I am mistaken do let me know. --IDuan 20:17, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

Country

Any suggestion of country to illustrate with images? --Joaquín Martínez 18:50, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

Please let me know if you want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel

Please let me know if you want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel. I invited someone to edit Conservapedia and they were blocked and they should not have been. I got the block overturned. So I think there is room for improvement in Conservapedia's blocking policy. You can sign up HERE. I invited active Syops/Admins plus people with blocking rights who might wish to be Sysops. If I left anyone out, please let them know about the panel. The people with blocking rights can sign up HERE. The panel will probably convene when Iduan is back from his summer vacation or fairly soon afterwards. Conservative 13:47, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

Request for Admin assistance

To all senior admins and sysops. I am being repeatedly abused by user:conservative who, among other things, accuses me continuously of being an atheist simply because I point out some of the holes in his articles. See here for the latest accusation. I have asked him numerous times to desist with his sneering name calling as I find it offensive to have my faith questioned and nothing is ever done. He state’s I am atheist because I don’t agree with some of his ridiculous contentions. In actual fact it isn’t even that I disagree with him it is that I point out his shoddy research, poor scholarship and his berating, insulting and sarcastic behaviour towards others. I am of the opinion now that he is purposely calling me names because he knows I don’t like it which is unchristian, impolite and, above all, insulting. Is anyone going to teach this man some manners? Has Conservapedia become a place where Conservative is allowed to behave this way without any warning or comeuppance but all other editors and warned and blocked for minor infractions. He is in continual violation of the commandments yet NOTHING is done whereas people like myself are always watching out to avoid being banned. Well, fine, ban me if you like. I probably will be after this posting and no doubt Conservative will cackle with glee at “winning” again. But laugh Conservative, you win nothing. I post this is full knowledge that I might be blocked banned and insulted by you in my absence and I have always remained polite and civil plus I can hold my head up high. Hopefully one of you will take a stand and insist on standards of civility. But I don’t hold out much hope. Thanks, many of you were kind, decent people whom I enjoyed working with and I pray for you. MaxFletcher 19:21, 5 October 2011 (EDT)

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