Talk:Iraq

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This page is obviously way too short for the amount of history this country has. Nothing of former rulers and historical events have been mentioned, making this a non-useful article for general knowledge/research purposes.--Atomicwaist 21:47, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

  [edit] Moved stub to bottom.--Atomicwaist 12:27, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

For sure, Iraq just exists since its invasion by the USA in 2003... If I remember well my lessons, this land has seen much more history than lots of others. Isn't it the place were the first civilizations appeared. Oups, this is not believeable...

If you want to expand on this, go ahead. Iraq is the elephant in the livingroom of the current political landscape, so I'm not surprised nobody wants to touch this listing. --Sandbagger 16:24, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Contents

Line Breaks?

What is with the no line breaks? One paragraph makes this entry look very poor. Paulwasasaint 17:11, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

Edit conflict!

That wasnt vandalism from me -- the page took so long to load, it had been undone by the time I undid it :( if u see what i mean File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 06:12, 3 June 2007 (EDT) I won't attempt to undo it again, as the same thing may happen. I'll leave it for a sysop who has rollback. File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 06:15, 3 June 2007 (EDT)

Failed State Index

Source reads, "third annual Failed States Index"; now beg pardon, this appears from its name to be a concocted "survey" for aiming at a politcal impact. The Fund for Peace, Morton Halperin, the VVAW, World Peace Council probably doesn't really add up to a qualified source we wish to rely. RobS 17:11, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

Possibly, but this was reported on CNN and Yahoo. Rather than delete it, maybe you could find some sites that refute it. Maestro 21:13, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

I don't wish to say blanketly the source, Fund for Peace, is a left-wing commie front organization, because I believe it does do some good work in some parts of the world. But it would not be a fair assessment to say this organization is non-partisan, and this particular survey, given this particular name, at this particular juncture in history, IMHO, was created for exactly a partisan prejudicial purpose. RobS 21:19, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

"Democratic Iraq"

As the section in question was about the war and its aftermath, and mentions nothing about democracy in Iraq, I have changed the heading. EnFrancaisSVP 21:17, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

Factual Errors

I have corrected two straightforward factual errors in this page: 1) Hussein did not "throw UNSCOM out." It left in advance of the Clinton/Blair bombing campaign. 2) Hussein did not "refuse to step down." He attempted to negotiate this, but Bush ignored him.

Both of these facts can easily be confirmed by Googling them.

But I bet it will still be less than 24 hours before someone puts the lies back in the article.

NickDanger 13:09, 24 January 2008 (EST)

It's been less than 24 hours, and the truth was put back in. Karajou 14:22, 24 January 2008 (EST)
Amazing! You're acknowledging that in your eyes Conservapedia is purely a propaganda tool with no interest in the facts. As I said, both the fact that Saddam did not "throw UNSCOM out" and that he offered to step down are easily verified stories that can be found in major news outlets. But I guess maintaining your delusions are more important than the truth, hey?
Here's documentation:
"Richard Butler, chief UN weapons inspector, US Ambassador to the UN Peter Burleigh informed him that the US was about to bomb Iraq and advised him to remove the inspectors. Without even informing the UN Security Council, Butler 'told him that I would act on this advice and remove my staff from Iraq.'"
http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2002/msg02099.html
http://www.spinwatch.org/content/view/4239/8/
Here are 8,360 sources documenting that Hussein offered to step down:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Saddam+Hussein%22+%22offered+to+step+down%22&btnG=Search
Well?
NickDanger 20:29, 24 January 2008 (EST)
You are reducing it to ONE occassion of the removal of weapons inspectors when that happened several more times, and you are spinning it yourself when ignoring the fact that Saddam was a mass-murdering megalomaniac who caused two major wars with four individual countries. You are twisting the article by trying to pin blame for the Iraq war solely on Bush when he instead forced Saddam and the U.N. to live up to U.N. security resolutions. I saw first-hand Saddam's people violating those resolutions, so don't start accusing me of being "deluded". Karajou 10:09, 25 January 2008 (EST)
"You are reducing it to ONE occassion of the removal of weapons inspectors when that happened several more times..."
Documentation, please! I believe the inspectors never returned after the time I documented.
"you are spinning it yourself when ignoring the fact that Saddam was a mass-murdering megalomaniac who caused two major wars with four individual countries."
What in the world does that have to do with whether or not he kicked the inspectors out?
"You are twisting the article by trying to pin blame for the Iraq war solely on Bush when he instead forced Saddam and the U.N. to live up to U.N. security resolutions."
I am just putting in the FACTS. Did the inspectors FINALLY leave because Hussein kicked them out? No, it was because of the bombing. Did he offer to step down. Yes. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not an GOP campain poster. Why not post the FACTS and let the reader decide what to think, who's to blame, etc.? NickDanger 11:33, 11 February 2008 (EST)
You can believe what you want to believe, but I'll not have you insert your own version of factual errors in this page or any other. The source for the article, in case you need to know, came from the U.S. State Department. Karajou 12:20, 11 February 2008 (EST)

Weapons inspections

Certain individuals demand access to this article to promote the fiction that there were two weapons inspections in Iraq, both after 1998, and that everything was documented. Apparently, they haven't been doing their research, and calling the article here a "GOP campaign poster" among other things. Well, here's the results from just one round of searching in one major liberal newspaper, the New York Times:

  • "U.S. SAID TO PLAN RAIDS ON BAGHDAD IF ACCESS IS DENIED; U.N. INSPECTORS SET VISITS Officials Assert Iraq Would Be Provoked to Confrontation as the G.O.P. Convenes Aides Say U.S. Plans a Face-Off With Iraq Tomorrow" By PATRICK E. TYLER, New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Aug 16, 1992. p. 1 (2 pages)
  • "BUSH SAYS POLITICS IS NOT MOTIVATION IN PLANS FOR IRAQ; A PROVOCATION IS DENIED Disclosure of U.S. Strategy Is Assailed by White House -- U.N. Inspection Starts Not Political, Bush Says of Iraq Plans" By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN, New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Aug 17, 1992. p. A1 (2 pages)
  • "News Summary" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Aug 17, 1992. p. A2 (1 page)
  • "U.N. Inspectors Begin Search for Iraqi Arms" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Oct 18, 1992. p. 16 (1 page)
  • "Iraq Says It Won't Attack Planes And Agrees to U.N. Flight Terms; Asserts It Is Signaling Good Will Toward Clinton Iraq Offers Cease-Fire as Inaugural Gift to Clinton" By MICHAEL R. GORDONSpecial to The New York Times. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Jan 20, 1993. p. A1 (2 pages)
  • "Iraq's New Reign of Terror" By Laurie MylroieWASHINGTON. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Oct 2, 1994. p. E17 (1 page)
  • "U.S. Will Ask U.N. to Force Iraq to Admit Arms Monitors; U.S. Will Ask U.N. to Force Iraq to Admit Weapons Inspectors" By NEIL A. LEWIS. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Nov 3, 1997. p. A1 (2 pages)
  • "Head Shot" THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Nov 6, 1997. p. A31 (1 page)
  • "Backing Inspectors, Clinton Urges 'Very Strong' U.N. Action on Iraq; Clinton Asks U.N. to Use Its Strength On Iraq Baghdad is warned that attacks on U.S. spy planes will not be tolerated." By JAMES BENNET. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Nov 10, 1997. p. A1 (2 pages)
  • "Pay the U.N. Bill" BENJAMIN RIVLIN. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Nov 12, 1997. p. A30 (1 page)
  • "News Summary" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Nov 15, 1997. p. A2 (1 page)
  • "News Summary" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Nov 19, 1997. p. A2 (1 page)
  • "Iraq Is Warned To Open Sites To U.N. Team; But Security Council Doesn't Issue Threat Council Tells Baghdad to Allow Inspections" By CHRISTOPHER S. WREN. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Jan 15, 1998. p. A1 (2 pages)
  • "News Summary" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Jan 22, 1998. p. A2 (1 page)
  • "America's Multiple-Choice Quiz; Saddam meets Shakespeare." THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Jan 31, 1998. p. A15 (1 page)
  • "Top U.N. Arms Monitor Is Said to Call Iraqi Plans to End Crisis Inadequate" By CHRISTOPHER S. WREN. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Feb 6, 1998. p. A10 (1 page)
  • "In Clinton's Words: Containing the 'Predators of the 21st Century'" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Feb 18, 1998. p. A9 (1 page)
  • "France Gives Strong Support To U.N. Chief" By CRAIG R. WHITNEY. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Feb 20, 1998. p. A10 (1 page)
  • "CHIEF OF U.N. SEES GLIMMER OF HOPE IN BAGHDAD TALKS; SAYS 'WE STARTED WELL' Annan Expects to See Hussein Today to Discuss a Written Accord on Inspections STANDOFF WITH IRAQ: A Day for Diplomacy IN BAGHDAD U.N. Chief Sees a Glimmer of Hope on New Arms Inspections" By BARBARA CROSSETTE. New York Times (1857. Feb 22, 1998. p. 2 (2 pages)
  • "Softening Saddam's Deal" A.M. ROSENTHAL. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Feb 24, 1998. p. A21 (1 page)
  • "U.N. REBUFFS U.S. ON THREAT TO IRAQ IF IT BREAKS PACT; SHUNS AUTOMATIC ATTACK But Washington Says It Still Has Authority to Use Force in Event of Violations U.N. Rebuffs U.S. on Threat to Iraq if It Breaks Inspection Pact" By BARBARA CROSSETTE. New York Times (1857-Current. Mar 3, 1998. p. A1 (2 pages)
  • "U.N. Arms Inspector Fears Baghdad May Erect New Barriers" By BARBARA CROSSETTE. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Apr 15, 1998. p. A12 (1 page)
  • "Excerpts From Clinton's News Conference on Investigations and Middle East; Era of Bipartisan Government Isn't Over, President Says at News Conference" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: May 1, 1998. p. A24 (2 pages)
  • "Forgive and Forget" THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Aug 11, 1998. p. A19 (1 page)
  • "Toughening Stand on Weapons, Iraq Foils Long-Term Monitoring; New Confrontation Worries Chief U.N. Inspectors Iraq, Stiffening Arms Stand, Foils Long-Term Monitoring" By BARBARA CROSSETTE. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Aug 13, 1998. p. A1 (2 pages)
  • "U.N. Arms Inspector Who Quit Is Told He Can't Make Policy" By ERIC SCHMITT. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Sep 4, 1998. p. A6 (1 page)
  • "News Summary" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Sep 10, 1998. p. A2 (1 page)
  • "Rebuking Ex-Arms Inspector, Albright Defends U.S. Role; Dissension over Iraq weapons search dismays the Secretary of State." By PHILIP SHENON. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Sep 10, 1998. p. A10 (1 page)
  • "U.N. Extends Iraq Sanctions" New York Times (1857-Current file). Sep 13, 1998. p. 233 (1 page)
  • "Issues at U.N. Again: Iraq, Nerve Gas and Weapons Inspections" By YOUSSEF M. IBRAHIM. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Oct 23, 1998. p. A5 (1 page)
  • "MIDDLE EAST" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Oct 24, 1998. p. A4 (1 page)
  • "What We Can't Do" A.M. ROSENTHAL. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Nov 20, 1998. p. A33 (1 page)
  • "Iraq Rebuffs France on Plan for Compromise on U.N. Weapons Inspections" By STEPHEN KINZER. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Dec 22, 1998. p. A18 (1 page)
  • "U.S. Stands Firm In Calling For U.N. Inspections in Iraq" By JAMES RISEN. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Dec 24, 1998. p. A6 (1 page)
  • "A Spy Enigma in Iraq" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Jan 7, 1999. p. A30 (1 page)
  • "America's Role in Iraq" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Jan 10, 1999. p. 161 (1 page)
  • "In Iraq, Preserve Unscom's Mission" YONATON ROSENZWEIG. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Jan 10, 1999. p. 161 (1 page)
  • "Unexplained Strategies on Iraq" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Mar 3, 1999. p. A16 (1 page)
  • "Elizabeth Dole Questions Clinton's Policies on Iraq and Serbia" By ALISON MITCHELL. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Apr 15, 1999. p. A26 (1 page)
  • "News Summary" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Sep 16, 1999. p. A2 (1 page)
  • "News Summary" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Sep 21, 1999. p. A2 (1 page)
  • "Iraq Rejects New U.N. Plan" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Apr 16, 2000. p. 11 (1 page)
  • "Table of Contents 2 -- No Title" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Aug 24, 2000. p. A2 (1 page)
  • "Foreign Affairs; Powell's First Memo" THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN. New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Feb 20, 2001. p. A21 (1 page)
  • "Mr. Annan's Winning Record" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: Mar 26, 2001. p. A18 (1 page)
  • "Recasting the Iraq Sanctions" New York Times (1857-Current file). New York, N.Y.: May 20, 2001. p. WK16 (1 page)

Got it rather easily; five minutes through ProQuest, which is available in any college campus if you're registered. All of this proves a minimum of four weapons inspections, beginning after the end of the 1991 Gulf War, with each ended by Saddam himself when they got too close to things he didn't want seen. What does a detrator say about this? This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not an GOP campain poster. Why not post the FACTS and let the reader decide what to think, who's to blame, etc.? That's exactly what I did, and not the fiction demanded by someone else. That is why you're gone, NickDanger. Karajou 14:31, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

Ur

I'd like to request that a minor edit be made, adding an internal link from the Iraq article to "Ur." Ur is discussed under the People section, "The ruins of Ur, Babylon, and other ancient cities are in Iraq." I also have some amazing pictures of Ur that I took when I was in Iraq, I'll have to upload them to my computer and to Flickr, and if it is of interest I'd be more than happy to allow the use of the photo in Conservapedia (adding a picture to either the Iraq article or Ur article). DerekE 13:24, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Try now. Karajou 13:26, 12 November 2009 (EST)
Thanks! Got it. I'll also post back when I get a chance to upload some pictures of Ur. DerekE 13:29, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Category

Add it to category Category:Muslim-Majority Countries -- 50 star flag.png Deborah (contributions) (talk) 15:34, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

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