Talk:Chip shop

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How can you not mention the fact that in renowned glaswegian chippies they offer such delicacies as battered pizza, battered mars bars and battered ice cream?--CatWatcher 03:24, 26 April 2007 (EDT) see http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1227_041227_deep_fried_mars_bars.html

Now doesn't that look delicious?

Yes it does. Can you add the picture to the article? Dorpfeld 03:34, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Good point. We could have sections on the various differences in regional and national cuisine served in these establishments. Dorpfeld 03:27, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Will add it later if someone else hasn't done so by then.

--CatWatcher 03:37, 26 April 2007 (EDT)

Re: merger. I don't think this should be merged. The chip shop (or 'chippie') is a very distinctive cultural, as well as culinary, institution specific to Britain and Ireland.

How can anyone talk of merging this article. It;s probably the best one on Conservapedia. I think we should go for featured status. --Felix 06:53, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

"Fish Bits" are called "scraps" in Birmingham and Humberside. Also mayonnaise is offered in Birmingham chippies although I am unaware as to whether this has anything to do with Dutch or indeed Belgian immigrants. Not sure if any of this info is apposite. --Olly 07:29, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

We also refer to fish bits as scraps here in Yorkshire. Trashbat 07:44, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

Merge article?

Absolutely not; the articles deal with two entirely different things.

Potato chips is the American term for what are properly called (in Great Britain, home of the English language) potato crisps.

Chip shops are purveyors of the much more substantial and wholesome British older relative of French Fries (which is a distant relative, at best). The importance of chips in British culture, and their incompatibility with French Fries (chips are always prepared from the finest locally-grown potatoes, and must be sliced on the spot, as opposed to being reconstituted, extruded and shaped in a factory like French Fries) makes it absolutely inappropiate to merge the articles. --Jeremiah4-22 09:05, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

I think the proposal to merge must have been made by someone unfamiliar with the use of the word chip in British English. As others have said before. Chip shops do not sell cold crisp thin slices of deep-fried potato (which are known in the UK as potato crisps), but rather piping hot finger-sized chunks of deep-fried potato.FriendOfDorothy 09:46, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

I am really convinced that these folks here at Conservapedia are really benefitting from finding out about the delicacies of British Haute Cuisine. --Felix 09:54, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

The chip shop is also culturally essential in addition to being of gastronomic import. Chip shop tradition is far greater than the sum of its peas, chips and fine, fine pickled eggs. And surely sharing of cultures and knowledge is the very essence of an encyclopedia. Trashbat 09:59, 27 April 2007 (EDT)

I agree absolutely with Trashbat. Chip shops have a strong cultural significance which alone justifies a separate article; but in any case, to cnflate the (completely different) UK and US chips would be absurd. Volpone 18:32, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

Chip Shops merged with another subject? Go and wash your mouth out with carbolic, Poor Ed!LateralQuercus 19:12, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

Definitely don't merge, they're not even close to the same thing. Jrssr5 09:54, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

What on earth has happened to this article? I am beginning to suspect an anti-British agenda. Chip-shops are a an integral part of British culture. MontyZuma 18:58, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Thank you MontyZuma, I have already tried to convince some of the administrators here about the importance of this topic and about the erosion of the British way of life. I'd rather the few British contributers not be driven away, particularly as some of us are good Christian Conservatives who wish to preserve our way of life too. Trashbat 19:04, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

If we merge these, we should merge barbeque sauce and ketchup. GodlessLiberal 21:00, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

No,you should merge Egypt and Israel.DDWatkinsIII 21:04, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

Now that's radical! Maybe you could get a job at the UN. MontyZuma 18:18, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

Fair enough. GodlessLiberal 21:26, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

NEW PICS

I know the pics of deep fried mars bars were deleted, but here goes:

I also have found all these refs to Deep fried Mars Bars

http://www.recipezaar.com/43463

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4103415.stm

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1227_041227_deep_fried_mars_bars.html A report on a December 2004 study, reported in the British medical journal The Lancet gives the following interesting facts:

"The researchers found that Mars bars aren't Scotland's only deep-fried specialties, with chip shops also frying up ice-cream, pizza, pineapple rings, pickled eggs, Snicker bars, and bananas."

and the fact is the French are trying to steal the idea!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/654750.stm

I know that the article and pic of dfmb was deleted, but this article establishes that America IS interested: CBS News picked up the research- http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/17/world/main661751.shtml quote:

"They decided to investigate after the treat was mentioned by television host Jay Leno on NBC's "Tonight Show."

Now, I think (a) The original pic should be reinstated on the Chip Shop Page, and (b) We should have an entire article reinstated about Deep Fried Mars bars as a cultural phenomenon and a helth food issue.

That's my opinion.

--Felix 05:16, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

How did you get your pictures re-uploaded? I posted some pictures to illustrate my article on Pork scratchings and they were deleted by User:Aschlafly. Said we didn't need pictures of processed pork. (See my user page). Erasmus 18:28, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

I think that this is only of passing interest to the topic of Chip Shops but could certainly be expanded elsewhere. It has a lot to say about Scottish culture and cuisine. Maybe some Glaswegians could help out with this. MontyZuma 18:15, 2 May 2007 (EDT)

Savage Edit by Fox

Can I just look at these:

• Birmingham: Chips are often steeped in curry sauce, which is usually served cold, sometimes in a polystyrene cup. Because of its Kashmiri community Birmingham is the curry capital of the country, and many different styles and blends are available, all of remarkably similar taste and appearance.

OK, its a bit casual, and tries to be funny, but incorrect?

• Yorkshire: Haddock, rather than cod, as the default fish; beef lard the frying medium of choice. "Fish bits" or "scraps" are the pieces of batter that become separated from the fish during cooking. They may be acquired for a nominal fee from the purveyor of fried produce.

All absolutely true

• Scotland: pizza, haggis, macaroni pies and Mars Bars are popular choices, all deep fried. Haddock is also the fish of choice, though several varieties are often available. A macaroni pie consists of cooked pasta in a pastry envelope.

all absolutely true, and I have seen evidence to substantiate it. There was once a fried mars bar pic somewhere.

• Edinburgh and the Lothians: Chip sauce (a.k.a. chippy sauce), based on a closely guarded and centuries old Italian recipe, is offered alongside salt and vinegar as a dressing for fish and chips. Locals swear by it.

Dont know about the Italian connection, but the rest is Ok.

I didnt want to make this too long, but I think the Liverpool one is also OK - Beatles ref is absolutely true and Liverpoll does have a Chinatown - I've been there. I'd like to know what evidence that Fox has for making these claims.

--AvengingAngel 12:53, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

I can't comment on Hebden Bridge or Portsmouth (never visited either place) but the rest of the stuff removed seems truthful enough. Is there a good reason for removing it? Fingermouse 13:05, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

I know that Philip is a bit concerned by this edit. I wasn't going so far as to call it vandalism, but it does seem extremely over zealous. I don't really want to start reinstating it, as Philip has done a re-edit. Fox isn't a sysop, so if Philip hadn't done anything I think I would have just doen a revert and asked Fox what he was up to.--AvengingAngel 13:19, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

It does seem a little bit harsh considering that about 80% of the article has been removed. Still, I'm not one to get into an edit war over chip shops, I'll leave this one to Philip. Fingermouse 13:25, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

I have just asked Philip wheether I can revert it to the pre-Fox edit. --AvengingAngel 13:29, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

That seems sensible enough. Fingermouse 13:31, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

I reverted it anyway. I have to log off now; if philip disagrees I am sure he will re---AvengingAngel 13:36, 31 May 2007 (EDT)revert it.

The article is written to poke fun at Conservapedia and Conservapedians; the inaccuracies in innuendoes are subtle, and the aim is that they will be missed for what they are while the perpetrators snigger about their little prank and just how ignorant and gullible everybody at CP is. Scones are not battered potatoes. "Up market" establishments? Selling kebabs? Of course. How silly of me to think otherwise. I hear McDonalds now offer haute cuisine, too, in their Michelin rated establishments. "Many different styles and blends... all taste remarkably similar..." "Chip sauce... closely guarded centuries old..." "Health conscious multi-cultural delights..." "Mushy pea debate..." "four of fish and finger pie"? Blatant slang sexual metaphor. "Only place in the UK where mayonnaise..." Apart from every other chip shop, that is. Chinese-Italian chippy in Pompey? Hm, call me Jimmy Hill 'cos I'm growing a beard... I'd be seriously concerned about the seriousness of anybody trying to defend this article in its current state. Maybe they would also like to defend the inclusion of "cumbernauld/chanty wrassling" in the Wrestling article... Sir John Betjeman being born in the fictional town of Melchester... (and being greatly influenced bt McGonnagal, too, eh, Ulysses?) ... How about Gordon Bowie? From Fulchester?... Or the wonderful article about Chutney Ferret - pity it didn't reference this... I stand by my edit, and any further edits I might make to articles about Britain. I grew up here, I know what I'm talking about ;) File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 15:26, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Jimmy Hill was famous for having a large chin and a moustache, not a beard as you state. As Jimmy Hill and his large chin are a British institution, I call foul on you my lad. ; ) Fingermouse 15:37, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Au contraire... See here - the younger generation forget that in his hey-day Jimmy was a devotee of the goatee :) File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 15:42, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Touche! Fingermouse 15:47, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

I had already logged off (it was way past my bed-time here in Oz), hence the lack of an earlier response.

I haven't compared AvengingAngel's and Fox' claims word-for-word, but AvengingAngel has listed a number of things that she(?) claims were correct, and Fox listed a number of things that he claims are incorrect, and it seemed to me in reading both that the two lists were entirely different. That is, you are not actually disagreeing on any individual point. And both sounded reasonable too, by the way.

Now if that assessment is correct, the solution seems pretty obvious: Reinstate the bits that AvengingAngel says are correct, and leave out the bits that Fox says are incorrect. That's likely going to take something of a rewrite, so simply reverting is not the way to go.

So, AvengingAngel, if you (or anyone) would like to reinstate and reword the bits that you reckon are okay, and leave out the bits that Fox says are not okay, everything should be hunky-dory, shouldn't it?

No doubt there will still be some disagreement on some points, but they can be brought to this talk page and discussed individually.

Sound reasonable?

Philip J. Rayment 22:12, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

AveningAngel was blocked for being a sock of InnocentAbroad. And is a sock of CatWatcher, anyway. Any edits that they support should be scrutinised. The Chip Shop article needs rewriting, but the section that was removed was basically junk. File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 06:47, 1 June 2007 (EDT)